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• 2[00:00:32] <rattking> popsch: most likely /etc/default/grub -- the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line
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• 5[00:01:48] <teraflops> mtcj: I did my test under qemu. once I checked it enough I switched to production
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• 7[00:01:52] <ToHellWithGA> jmcnaught: that fixed pip!
• 8[00:01:59] <teraflops> tests*
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• 10[00:02:07] <ToHellWithGA> i'll check out virtualenvs. thanks.
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• 12[00:02:20] <ToHellWithGA> teraflops: thanks to you too.
• 13[00:02:26] <teraflops> ToHellWithGA: np
• 14[00:02:32] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: also look up virtualenvwrapper for your developer workstation
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• 16[00:02:45] <mtcj> teraflops: over the network does sound useful.
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• 18[00:03:07] <mtcj> I know almost nothing about it. What are the notable limitations?
• 19[00:03:08] <teraflops> mtcj: it's just amazing
• 20[00:03:24] <teraflops> mtcj: limitations?
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• 22[00:03:45] <jmcnaught> i might start using btrfs in stretch. right now i use LVM for snapshots.
• 23[00:03:53] <teraflops> mtcj: well you need btrfs fs on both ends
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• 25[00:04:10] <teraflops> jmcnaught: i really like btrfs
• 26[00:04:14] <mtcj> For example, are there certain files that can't be reverted to a previous snapshot on a running system, can it be done while the system is operating, etc
• 27[00:04:26] <teraflops> under jessie I'd recommend a bpo kernel
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• 32[00:04:43] <mtcj> I could see those being the case, but I've found unixy tools to not have those issues
• 33[00:04:45] <teraflops> mtcj: oh full snapshots
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• 36[00:05:38] <teraflops> you can take incremental too
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• 39[00:05:57] <teraflops> you can boot snapshots from grub directly too
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• 47[00:06:22] <teraflops> or just pick a single file from a snapshot if you want
• 48[00:06:28] <mtcj> Yeah I'm thinking for situations where I screw something up and don't want to deal with it immediately
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• 50[00:06:49] <teraflops> yeah grub can boot from a snapshot
• 51[00:06:58] <mtcj> Just revert and do whatever I was trying to do later
• 52[00:07:01] <jmcnaught> mtcj: if you're just talking about configuration files you should try etckeeper (helps automate keeping /etc in revision control)
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• 54[00:07:07] <teraflops> you can also take ro snapshots
• 55[00:07:11] <teraflops> read only
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• 59[00:07:54] <mtcj> What kind of disc space do incremental snapshots in particular use?
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• 63[00:09:19] <teraflops> mtcj: it depends on the size. e.g 128 GB ssd i can store 3 snapshots on the same disk and still at 60% capacity
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• 65[00:09:29] <teraflops> hard to measure though
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• 67[00:10:42] <mtcj> Yeah I can understand it's a YMMV thing
• 68[00:10:46] <teraflops> yep
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• 71[00:11:01] <jmcnaught> snapshots would need at least enough space to store the size of the difference between origin and snapshot
• 72[00:11:16] <teraflops> yeah
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• 75[00:11:36] <mtcj> Yeah so if it's mainly config files and package changes it won't use much
• 76[00:11:49] <mtcj> More if it's large databases etc
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• 79[00:12:23] <teraflops> mtcj: what i do is having a local disk with latests snapshots and btrfs send by night to a backup unit
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• 84[00:13:07] <jmcnaught> with LVM snapshots i found that IO speed is severely reduced. i found it wasn't a problem with LVM thin snapshots, but some stuff can't use those (libvirt for example).
• 85[00:13:23] <jmcnaught> teraflops: does btrfs slow down with snapshots?
• 86[00:13:24] <teraflops> hmm
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• 92[00:13:53] <teraflops> jmcnaught: not that i noticed. for sure you need sata3 or ssd
• 93[00:14:11] <teraflops> btrfs is a bit slow compared to e.g ext4
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• 96[00:14:47] <teraflops> i haven't noticed slowness on ssd sata3 newer disks though
• 97[00:15:12] <teraflops> i read several complaints running it on older disks
• 98[00:15:28] <teraflops> ssd or sata3*
• 99[00:15:29] <jmcnaught> with LVM snapshots the performance hit is very noticeable. LVM thin snapshots use different code, and don't significantly impact performance (in my anecdotal testing)
• 100[00:15:30] <mtcj> Does btrfs have the RAID-like features of adding multiple drives to a single partition etc similar to LVM?
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• 102[00:15:48] <teraflops> mtcj: yes
• 103[00:15:54] <mtcj> Good
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• 106[00:16:23] <teraflops> btrfs/ lvm features overlaps imo
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• 112[00:17:17] <pipermurphy> replaced-url
• 113[00:17:34] <pipermurphy> replaced-url
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• 115[00:18:37] <teraflops> mtcj: replaced-url
• 116[00:18:41] <jmcnaught> !ops pipermurphy spam
• 117[00:18:41] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: pipermurphy spam
• 118[00:19:19] <mtcj> I see it also supports some encryption like LUKS and dm-crypt
• 119[00:19:28] <mtcj> I really will have to look into it more
• 120[00:19:29] <pipermurphy> NOT SPAM. It's supposed to alert DEBIAN DEVS so they can code software to turn off the spying.
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• 122[00:19:44] <pipermurphy> jmcnaught, I'm a gentoo exec and doing the community a service.
• 123[00:19:48] <pipermurphy> Knock it off.
• 124[00:20:00] <debkad> o_o
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• 133[00:21:21] <teraflops> mtcj: consider a bpo kernel if youre in jessie
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• 138[00:22:18] <leba2> I installed samba and set some shares. But, is it possible to make a windows client see the debian server by its hostname rather than ip?
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• 144[00:24:22] <mtcj> .xyz smh
• 145[00:24:28] <mtcj> And I the only one
• 146[00:24:34] <mtcj> *am
• 147[00:25:14] <mtcj> leba2 I believe you may have to register that in DNS or configure it manually
• 148[00:26:06] <jhutchins> leba2: You can edit /etc/hosts, set up DNS, or set up WINS.
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• 154[00:27:03] <teraflops> wins or just bonjour (zeroconf)
• 155[00:27:09] <mtcj> Will dnsmasq pull entries from /etc/hosts?
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• 158[00:27:30] <jhutchins> leba2: Sorry, it's not /etc/hosts, depending on your version the hosts file for windows is buried under the Windows directories. On 10 it's in a directory called "drivers", I'm not sure of the full path.
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• 163[00:28:44] <mtcj> C:\Windows\System32\drivers\hosts if I recall
• 164[00:29:03] <teraflops> mtcj: heh what's up with .xyz?
• 165[00:29:17] <mtcj> And yes dnsmasq can serve hosts from that file according to a quick look
• 166[00:29:28] <leba2> jhutchins: I'd rather avoid windows hosts file; I wanted to find a way on debian server itself...
• 167[00:29:29] <mtcj> teraflops: what's up with all of the new ones
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• 170[00:29:43] <mtcj> I would highly recommend the dnsmasq way
• 171[00:29:44] <jhutchins> leba2: Then DNS.
• 172[00:30:07] <mtcj> Or even possibly your modem/router/switch/etc
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• 174[00:30:09] <leba2> jhutchins: must I install and configure a whole package in debian for that?
• 175[00:30:11] <teraflops> mtcj: oh that one looks sane. you can check whois and the certificates hehe
• 176[00:30:12] <jhutchins> leba2: Or you can run Bind. It will work with DHCP these days.
• 177[00:30:16] <mtcj> Some of them have host mapping
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• 179[00:30:43] <leba2> jhutchins: well, not that dhcp worries me since I set debian pc with a static ip.
• 180[00:30:56] <teraflops> mtcj: it was for free so hey
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• 183[00:31:26] <jhutchins> leba2: Yes, you need to set up either dnsmasq or bind to provide DNS services. It's easier than samba.
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• 185[00:31:48] <mtcj> When I'm put in charge of the Internet IPv4 is going and I'm starting over with new DNS zones
• 186[00:31:56] <teraflops> ddns looks like a good idea. perhaps overkill depending on your needa
• 187[00:31:59] <teraflops> needs
• 188[00:32:01] <jhutchins> leba2: You might try just enabling WINS, there was a point where windows could use that instead of dns.
• 189[00:32:08] <leba2> jhutchins: but I already haver samba installed, like mentioned...
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• 191[00:32:15] <jhutchins> teraflops: She has a static IP.
• 192[00:32:22] <leba2> Already tried "wins support = yes" in smb.conf, no dice.
• 193[00:32:28] <mtcj> leba2 you're serving samba files though right?
• 194[00:32:57] <leba2> yes
• 195[00:33:03] <jhutchins> leba2: Ok, well, my samba knowledge is pretty rusty, mostly circa Windows XP
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• 197[00:33:14] <teraflops> leba2: wins is fine. bonjour works automagically
• 198[00:33:15] <leba2> Just didn't want to access shares using ip
• 199[00:33:29] <leba2> Already tried "wins support = yes" in smb.conf, no dice.
• 200[00:33:50] <mtcj> If the samba machine is always running I'd install dnsmasq on it and include that host in the config
• 201[00:34:18] <mtcj> And modify other machines or your DHCP server to use it for DNS. Or use it for DHCP too even.
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• 204[00:34:34] <leba2> In windows client I try browsing \\server_ip and it works; I try \\DEBIANPC and it doesn't,
• 205[00:34:35] <leba2> .
• 206[00:34:49] <teraflops> zeroconf has a very descriptive name ;)
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• 210[00:35:44] <mtcj> Does zeroconf require software to support it, for example media players?
• 211[00:35:57] <leba2> thanks
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• 213[00:36:06] <teraflops> on windows you just install bonjour
• 214[00:36:23] <teraflops> on the Linux side enable avahi
• 215[00:36:38] <mtcj> But in that case the DNS way may be require less work
• 216[00:36:43] <teraflops> wins should work though
• 217[00:37:02] <mtcj> That's what I was wondering. I wasn't sure if I was right in thinking that.
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• 222[00:40:20] <Aaron> Popcorn-Time: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
• 223[00:40:25] <Aaron> any help with this library?
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• 229[00:41:13] <teraflops> Aaron: how did you install it?
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• 231[00:41:29] <Aaron> teraflops: from there website. but it doesn't say anything about any libraries
• 232[00:41:55] <teraflops> Aaron: also kodi + quasar works on debian out of the box
• 233[00:42:09] <teraflops> and it's way better imo
• 234[00:43:12] <somiaj> Aaron: udev is a core libary, so I'm surprised it isn't finding it. Is this a 32bit application you are trying to run on a 64bit os and need to install the 32bit version of the lib?
• 235[00:43:14] <teraflops> Aaron: i have no idea about that sorry. who knows
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• 239[00:44:26] <Aaron> somiaj: maybe?
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• 247[00:47:58] <somiaj> Aaron: I don't know this third party software you have installed and what it needs. This was just a thought. Was it installed from a .deb?
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• 250[00:49:03] <Aaron> somiaj: nope its a program call popcorn to see movies
• 251[00:49:29] <somiaj> Aaron: do they provide instructions for installing it in debian jessie?
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• 253[00:49:54] <Aaron> somiaj: negative it's just some files
• 254[00:49:58] <somiaj> I could help try to parse the instructions but am not familar with this third party software (getting alternatives from the debian repo is usually a safe way)
• 255[00:50:12] <somiaj> Aaron: care to link me to the site/page you got this from.
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• 257[00:50:33] <Aaron> that's the ur
• 258[00:50:34] <Aaron> l
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• 263[00:52:12] <somiaj> Aaron: doesn't look like software I would want to download. Anyways, I would check out the download for a README or INSTALL file and read it about what sort of things you need to get it to run.
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• 269[00:53:32] <debkad> ah popcorn
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• 275[00:55:10] <Aaron> somiaj: they don't
• 276[00:55:40] <Aaron> how can I install an i386-package if I'm using amd
• 277[00:55:56] <debkad> is not that for streaming ( show video without to download )?
• 278[00:56:07] <Aaron> debkad: yeah
• 279[00:56:14] <debkad> heard about it
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• 287[01:01:09] <implijer> If I was to use stretch as base, what worst case scenario could I expect ? I mean, it should update smoothtly and start merging to "stable" in a few years or so, right ? Before then I guess security and else won't be "guaranted" or support ; still that's all there is to it or not ?
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• 293[01:02:44] <awal1> implijer, stretch will be the next stable release, probably around april/june 2017
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• 297[01:03:29] <implijer> awal1, is there any big concern I should have if I used it now ?
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• 299[01:03:37] <implijer> beside bugs
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• 304[01:04:08] <implijer> (bugs aside, I mean)
• 305[01:04:33] <awal1> implijer, well, your question is so vague. I don't know what to tell you...
• 306[01:04:45] <implijer> just found the answer
• 307[01:04:47] <awal1> for production, use stable
• 308[01:05:01] <implijer> there is no security timely uograde
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• 310[01:05:17] <Doyle> Hey. Why would an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade change script exec order in rc*.x? For example, rename S03foo to S02foo?
• 311[01:05:17] <awal1> if you want bleding edge use unstable
• 312[01:05:37] <implijer> awal1: I've already have archlinux for broken stuff :D
• 313[01:05:45] <implijer> -'ve
• 314[01:05:47] <awal1> implijer, check debian wiki, there you find explanations about the branchs and how they are managed
• 315[01:05:52] <somiaj> implijer: streetch can still be a bumpy ride until the freeze (I think this is november this year). After that streetch gets less bumpy, but dosen't get full security support until the release (though it does have some)
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• 317[01:06:32] <implijer> somiaj, "bumpy ride" as lot of chaotic upgrades ?
• 318[01:06:46] <implijer> -chaotic
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• 320[01:07:30] <somiaj> Doyle: it shouldn't matter if running systemd. But udate-rc.d will use the LSB headers and reorder the scripts in rc?.d based on the headers. Could be you had an init script added/removed/changed during the upgrade.
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• 322[01:07:58] <Doyle> ahh, the header likely did it then.
• 323[01:08:11] <somiaj> implijer: basically. Not only could an upgrade break something, api/abi's can also change which can cause poblems. After the freeze it gets to be a much smoother ride, but full security support won't come until the release.
• 324[01:08:24] <Doyle> I didn't know the update-rc would reorder thenm
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• 326[01:08:47] <somiaj> Doyle: that is part of what the LSB headers do, so it not only puts the links in place, it has to decide where to put them (i.e. decide their order)
• 327[01:08:54] <awal1> !testing
• 328[01:08:54] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
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• 330[01:09:14] <implijer> somiaj, herh. Got it. Thanks !
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• 336[01:10:03] <implijer> "bumpy ride". First time I hear that, and I hear it twice, vocabulary lvl up, yay
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• 338[01:11:36] <awal1> implijer, btw, "unstable" doesn't mean broken but almost something like "continuously changing"
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• 340[01:11:53] <awal1> the opposite of "stable" branch
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• 356[01:17:05] <Aaron> !libudev
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• 561[02:26:43] <tom99> hmm. is the best way to learn about systemd or dpkg or whichever thing
• 562[02:26:52] <tom99> to read documentation, or to try things out randomly?
• 563[02:28:01] <somiaj> tom99: a mix of both. I would use a vm and then decide what it is you want to achive. Read the documentation and try things.
• 564[02:28:36] <somiaj> man pages do get to be much more of a resource once you learn how to read them. Took me about 5 yaers of using linux to get over my trouble with them, now I find them very useful to find info.
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• 566[02:28:54] <somiaj> (though is is provided the info you want is about a single command/config file)
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• 568[02:29:15] <tom99> yes, i was thinking there's probably nothing you can do if you don't have documentation telling you something
• 569[02:29:21] <tom99> but then if you do, don't you know everything anyway?
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• 571[02:30:01] <tom99> i was thinking about my messing around with gnome-terminal yesterday. i learned some things looking around on my system, like the existence of .gonf in my $HOME dir
• 572[02:30:07] <tom99> .gconf
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• 574[02:30:41] <tom99> But other things I had no clue on, like why in the hell there is a code #FF00FF00FF00 for the background colors in gnome xml file
• 575[02:31:08] <somiaj> tom99: experience and trying things is what I have done to learn. Part of the experience is get better at understanding what documentation is telling you.
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• 577[02:31:34] <tom99> is ee
• 578[02:31:35] <tom99> *see
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• 581[02:31:51] <tom99> right now i think stackexchange is better source of information than documentation per se
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• 583[02:32:18] <tom99> for example that and askubuntu was where I found the thing about opening %gconf.xml and editing it with gconftool
• 584[02:33:12] <somiaj> it is better at giving you a solution to a problem that may require info from different documentation. Nice thing about man pages is you don't need the internet. So it is nice to get more comfortable with them, though I use google/stackexchange/forums for many of my problems. And then read the man page to get a better description of what the commands are actually doing.
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• 613[02:45:42] <tom99> yeah
• 614[02:45:54] <tom99> i guess also when you run into things like #FF00FF00FF00
• 615[02:46:03] <tom99> there's nothing to really do except read the source code of the program in question
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• 639[03:05:46] <Gryllida> xfce4 4.12 is in testing; when would it enter stable?
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• 641[03:06:19] <JordiGH> I'm trying to get Wordpress on Debian and for some reason all of the urls seem to be resolving to index.php. Obviously I'm doing something wrong, but what?
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• 648[03:08:50] <jmcnaught> Gryllida: not until the current testing (stretch) becomes the new stable release.
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• 650[03:09:09] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: which webserver are you using?
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• 652[03:09:24] <JordiGH> Apache.
• 653[03:09:31] <JordiGH> About to upgrade, huh, big upgrade message here.
• 654[03:09:40] <JordiGH> Dated July 23.
• 655[03:10:02] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: it would help if you could be more clear.
• 656[03:10:23] <JordiGH> Apache... version 2?
• 657[03:10:49] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: about to upgrade what? what does upgrade message say? what is dated july 23?
• 658[03:10:56] <JordiGH> About to upgrade Apache.
• 659[03:11:03] <JordiGH> The upgrade message is dated July 23.
• 660[03:11:22] <JordiGH> The message is long, doesn't even fit in one less(1) screenful.
• 661[03:11:26] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: please use replaced-url
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• 663[03:11:33] <jmcnaught> !pastebinit
• 664[03:11:33] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
• 665[03:11:48] <JordiGH> Eh, just go to /usr/share/doc/apache2/Changelog.Debian.gz
• 666[03:11:54] <JordiGH> It's the one dated from July 23 this year.
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• 668[03:12:02] <tom99> nice, thanks JordiGH
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• 671[03:12:16] <tom99> I knew if I hung out here long enough somebody would specifically tell me that file's existence.
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• 674[03:14:07] <JordiGH> Is that sarcasm? You're well aware of Debian changelog files or you're suddenly happy to know that they exist?
• 675[03:14:12] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: oh, you mean NEWS.Debian.gz. Did you read the message?
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• 678[03:14:40] <JordiGH> No, tl;dr, looks like I gotta update my config, let me first finish the upgrade and reboot the machine since there was some linux in there too.
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• 682[03:15:23] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: so you are upgrading from wheezy to jessie?
• 683[03:15:40] <JordiGH> No, no, just a routine apt-get upgrade, not across distros.
• 684[03:16:15] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: that message in NEWS.Debian.gz from july 23 is from 2012
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• 687[03:16:58] <JordiGH> Okay, that upgrade didn't seem to do much of anything, everything's still up.
• 688[03:17:05] <mtcj> Who is wheezy?
• 689[03:17:11] <JordiGH> mtcj: The penguin.
• 690[03:17:13] <mtcj> ah
• 691[03:17:28] <JordiGH> Jessie is the cowgirl, I think.
• 692[03:17:40] <JordiGH> I just call them 7.x and 8.x, really.
• 693[03:17:49] <mtcj> ah only in #debian can you ask that question. And sosomeone not bat an eye
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• 696[03:18:59] <JordiGH> Hm, does this look right? I think it was automatically generated by some wordpress config script: replaced-url
• 697[03:19:06] <vvande> I can never remember the names. Numbers are easier.
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• 699[03:19:12] <JordiGH> vvande: Same.
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• 701[03:19:43] <ryouma> i remember the names but not the numbers
• 702[03:19:45] <JordiGH> Except you gotta use the names if you want to pin your sources.list to a specific version and not get a surprise upgrade if you're pointing at "stable".
• 703[03:20:08] <vvande> I have to google it every time.
• 704[03:20:37] <vvande> different minds, different sence of logic
• 705[03:20:46] <ryouma> the names could have been debian-7 etc.
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• 707[03:20:58] <JordiGH> Well, they are Debian 7.x and Debian 8.x
• 708[03:21:09] <JordiGH> The codenames are supposed to be "internal".
• 709[03:21:10] <vvande> for some reason I don't intuitively know which came first, checkered underwear or spaghetty sauce
• 710[03:21:16] <vvande> to others it's obvious
• 711[03:21:24] <ryouma> no, i mean the names used int he repos. could be debian-7 instead of wheezy or whatever
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• 713[03:21:51] <ryouma> nothing internal about them
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• 723[03:24:00] <grafnugi> anyone ever experience "you have held broken packages" error with debian sid?
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• 744[03:28:48] <tom99> does deb7u1 in those package names mean 7.1 ?
• 745[03:28:55] <tom99> it's a bit confusing
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• 750[03:30:34] <jmcnaught> grafnugi: take a look at "/msg dpkg bat" for the info people need to help you troubleshoot apt issues. Also for unstable #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is a better place to ask, it's more focused on unstable/testing there
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• 756[03:32:02] <jmcnaught> tom99: it means that the version of the software provided by the package didn't change, but there was a debian update that fixed an issue. it does not mean 7.1
• 757[03:32:23] <JordiGH> Hmph, how do I debug how Apache is rewriting a url?
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• 765[03:35:05] <mtcj> Thanks jmcnaught
• 766[03:35:10] <mtcj> I was also curious
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• 791[03:50:14] <tom99> jmcnaught: guess i need to go back to the handbook then, because I thought that's what the first part of the release number was, e.g. software1.01-2deb7u7 the 2 is what you just said
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• 801[03:55:26] <jmcnaught> tom99: you don't need to get too hung up on details like that. it's more important to understand how apt compares version numbers, so you can tell which is higher
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• 803[03:56:14] <tom99> it's lexical i would imagine. so 25.1 < 25.2 < 26.0
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• 809[03:57:57] <jmcnaught> tom99: it talks about comparing version numbers here: replaced-url
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• 814[04:03:50] <equilibrio> Hello, is the debian source for isos fixed today?
• 815[04:04:36] <jmcnaught> looks like it's been updated
• 816[04:04:55] <equilibrio> jmcnaught: thank you :)
• 817[04:05:08] <tom99> thanks jmcnaught
• 818[04:05:37] <equilibrio> this guys did a 2 for 1 with his answer :P
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• 822[04:06:47] <iamawesome> p postgresql - object-relational SQL database (supported version)
• 823[04:06:54] <iamawesome> i postgresql-9.4 - object-relational SQL database, version 9.4 server
• 824[04:07:06] <jmcnaught> tom99: stuff i would focus on learning are using the shell, understanding users, groups, and file permissions; knowing the file system hierarchy, understanding IO redirection, and also pick some programs that you want to learn really well, like apache2 or nginx if you're into web stuff for example
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• 826[04:07:52] <equilibrio> jmcnaught: I know most of what you said, but IO redirection, that I don't know. Can you tell me briefly what it is before I study it?
• 827[04:08:10] <equilibrio> If you don't mind :)
• 828[04:09:18] <jmcnaught> equilibrio: on the shell IO redirection is when you direct output to a file "echo foo > bar.txt" or direct input from a file like "pastebinit < sources.list", or pipe commands together like "apt search foo | less"
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• 830[04:10:05] <jmcnaught> there's a bit more to it like how to append versus replace, and also an error stream in addition to input and output
• 831[04:10:19] <equilibrio> oh like when I do a mysql operation to put back a mysql database from a backup we do something like mysql magento < magentobackup.sql
• 832[04:11:32] <jmcnaught> equilibrio: yes. without the '< foo.sql' part the mysql program would be expected input from the keyboard, but you're redirected stdin (standard input) to that file
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• 835[04:12:05] <equilibrio> :)
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• 837[04:12:19] <equilibrio> I understand now, by the way, I do not know if you know a tool but I am wondering if there was some type of utility to monitor a network more closely. Like I got a cisco router and would like to be able to know which stations do what for better security. Of course I would like to run that on debian. Or if anybody knows. I know about SNMP traps but they can give information to other people on the network too
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• 842[04:13:51] <equilibrio> sorry if this is off-topic, I did not mean it if it is
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• 846[04:17:18] <jmcnaught> equilibrio: sounds like you want to use monitoring software. You could look at this list, several of them are available in Debian: replaced-url
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• 848[04:18:33] <equilibrio> jmcnaught: thank you appreciate
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• 916[05:03:33] <Revelation> Could someone help me with the wifi drivers on my laptop with Debian? I can't get them to work. I have a Lenovo X1 Carbon with an Intel 8260 card. I need to use firmware-iwlwifi but it doesn't work. I was in here the other day trying tons of options, last tried was someone recommending using the backport version but that didn't work.
• 917[05:04:08] <dvs> Revelation, backported version of the kernel AND the firmware?
• 918[05:04:28] <kzimmermann> Revelation: for firmware-* packages they work after I do modprobe -r $module; modprobe $module
• 919[05:04:29] <Revelation> Just the firmware, how do I do a backported version of the kernal?
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• 921[05:04:45] <Revelation> kernel*
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• 924[05:04:50] <dvs> !jessie-backports
• 925[05:04:50] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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• 929[05:05:17] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 938[05:12:11] <Revelation> So I updated the kernel and after I rebooted I just get a blinking white underscore
• 939[05:12:24] <Revelation> lol.. Not sure what could have gone wrong
• 940[05:12:58] <mtcj> Is bpo an official thing? Their FAQ doesn't say
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• 945[05:14:04] <maxcell_> can i restore defaults systemd settings, or see what services are running by default in my actual boot?
• 946[05:14:08] <dvs> mtcj, kinda. It's done when "someone feels like it"
• 947[05:14:49] <mtcj> Ok I'd spitball some maintainers are in both
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• 955[05:19:35] <somiaj> maxcell_: what is your actual problem? Run 'systemctl status' to see what is actually running.
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• 961[05:23:40] <maxcell_> somiaj, thanks
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• 975[05:28:35] <maxcell_> somiaj, replaced-url
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• 977[05:30:57] <somiaj> that probably isn't the best way to disable your display manager. But what you see there are just warning about the LSB scripts which really aren't that important because you are using systemd (systemd is just compadable so it keeps them up to date)
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• 979[05:31:47] <maxcell_> what is LSB scripts, i disable the cups-browsed.service too and it gives me the same LSB message
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• 987[05:34:24] <somiaj> maxcell_: LSB scripts are the old sysvinit style of dealing with services, they are stored in /etc/init.d/
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• 989[05:34:49] <somiaj> maxcell_: systemd is just calling the old sysvinit stuff for compadability. All you are getting is warnings which won't matter since systemd is running.
• 990[05:36:29] <maxcell_> somiaj, the all reason of that is that i was messing with systemd services to improve the speed of boot and now i have a slow boot.
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• 992[05:36:52] <maxcell_> somiaj, before i get 3.000ms now is 3.500ms that have something to do with the LSB thing?
• 993[05:37:25] <maxcell_> somiaj, should i put the gdm and cups back?
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• 995[05:38:54] <somiaj> maxcell_: you could maybe look at systemd-analyze, or maybe systemd-anaylize blame
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• 999[05:41:51] <maxcell_> somiaj, i did a system-analyze plot and get a picture .svg and the service called "apparmor.service" is much slower than before.
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• 1002[05:42:43] <somiaj> I don't know much about apparmor, so unsure why it is taking longer.
• 1003[05:43:03] <maxcell_> somiaj, the only reason is him. He is 900ms now and 200ms before
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• 1005[05:43:56] <somiaj> maxcell_: systemctl status apparmor (read the logs assoicated with it, sometimes flags are needed to get the full logs/error messages for that service)
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• 1007[05:44:28] <pfred1> anyone here any good at navigating Debian's bug tracking system?
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• 1014[05:46:17] <maxcell_> somiaj, haha it have something to do with LSB things! trying to help if you can, replaced-url
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• 1019[05:47:40] <maxcell_> somiaj, there is a little more lines below that paste
• 1020[05:48:06] <maxcell_> with errors
• 1021[05:48:21] <somiaj> that paste dosn't tell mu much
• 1022[05:48:31] <maxcell_> wait
• 1023[05:48:34] <somiaj> but I'm not the one to help with apprmor. I don't use it and know it is not default so this is something additional you have isntalled
• 1024[05:48:53] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 1025[05:48:56] <maxcell_> oh
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• 1028[05:49:05] <maxcell_> ok
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• 1060[05:55:19] <maxcell_> i have a problem with AppArmor somebody can help me? replaced-url
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• 1062[05:55:25] <psychedup74> what's the command in debian to kill & restart the X display manager from the command line?
• 1063[05:55:56] <somiaj> pythonsnake: systemctl restart gdm3 should restart the display manager, unsure if this will kill the current xsession or not though.
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• 1065[05:56:18] <somiaj> replace gdm3 with the actual displaymanger being used
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• 1068[05:56:55] <maxcell_> somiaj, i read the wiki, can't solve the problem with that, since i can't read the scripts that fail etc
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• 1070[05:58:06] <psychedup74> thanks i'll try that
• 1071[05:58:09] <somiaj> maxcell_: the LSB isn't the issue. The issue is something with lines 11, though can't really read it.
• 1072[05:58:23] <somiaj> maxcell_: it sounds like a missconfigured apparmor, but again you may want to find more specific apparmor support for that.
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• 1074[05:59:46] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: do you have "apparmor=1 security=apparmor" in your kernel command line?
• 1075[05:59:48] <maxcell_> somiaj, its saying line 14 on the error "Cant open /usr/share/apparmor/hardware/audio.d". Yeah i think im going to just "format c:" it will be faster lol
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• 1078[06:00:13] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, i think it have, apparmor is here since the begnin when i install the distro
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• 1080[06:00:42] <somiaj> I didn't think apparmor was default in debian. I thought you had to install it sepertally, or is there an otption to install it in taskel I didnt' see.
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• 1085[06:01:44] <somiaj> maxcell_: dmesg | head, you should be able to see the options sent to the kernel at boot. look for the Command line: info
• 1086[06:01:44] <maxcell_> somiaj, im using ubuntu in my desk
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• 1089[06:02:01] <somiaj> maxcell_: so you have us trying to debug a ubuntu issue with apprmor?
• 1090[06:02:14] <maxcell_> somiaj, dont get me wrong
• 1091[06:02:20] <maxcell_> somiaj, i tried in #ubuntu first
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• 1095[06:03:41] <somiaj> so ask in #ubuntu an apparmor channel or ##linux. It jusst wastes our time trying to debug an issue for debian when the issue could be how ubuntu handels things which is different.
• 1096[06:04:16] <maxcell_> somiaj, oh i thought it was the same
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• 1098[06:04:24] <somiaj> I'm also surprised systemctl works in ubuntu, doesn't ubuntu use upstart? Anyways enough of my wondering. This isn't a debian issue.
• 1099[06:04:45] <somiaj> maxcell_: if it were the same there would be no need for a different distro. (:
• 1100[06:05:14] <maxcell_> somiaj, i thought the only difference was the updated packages to be honest
• 1101[06:05:23] <maxcell_> somiaj, and some irrelevant shit like network manager
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• 1105[06:06:08] <somiaj> maxcell_: lots of difference, ubuntu has had many many years to drift away. Even at the start there are differences. Policy differences and core differences in how packages work, or configured, and where you modify system configs all get moved around and may not workt he same.
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• 1107[06:06:30] <somiaj> maxcell_: sure some stuff carries over, but we can't guess what a derivative has changed and has not changed.
• 1108[06:07:54] <Rusty1_> replaced-url
• 1109[06:07:56] <maxcell_> somiaj, you didn't like ubuntu did you?
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• 1111[06:09:32] <somiaj> maxcell_: I don't like or dislike ubuntu. And that is not the issue. The issue is ubuntu and debian are different.
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• 1113[06:11:20] <maxcell_> somiaj, ok somiaj thanks anyway
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• 1124[06:20:00] <Revelation> I updated to linux 4.2 and now I get this error on boot. Bluetooth hci0 setting intel event mask failed
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• 1126[06:21:23] <pfred1> Revelation why'd you go and do a thing like that?
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• 1128[06:22:07] <Revelation> because I have an intel 8260 wifi card and they didn't add support until 4.2 :(
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• 1130[06:22:40] <pfred1> ah incompatible hardware
• 1131[06:23:07] <pfred1> you have to be careful about that kind of thing
• 1132[06:23:30] <Revelation> am i boned
• 1133[06:23:54] <somiaj> Revelation: how did you upgrade to the 4.2 kernel? Why not use the 4.6 kernel from jessie-backports?
• 1134[06:24:02] <pfred1> indeed
• 1135[06:24:55] <Revelation> Oh I'm not sure, I used apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64
• 1136[06:25:29] <Revelation> sorry it is 4.6
• 1137[06:25:48] <Revelation> I've had a few, didn't see it right
• 1138[06:25:56] <pfred1> uname -a
• 1139[06:26:08] <pfred1> see which one you're running now
• 1140[06:26:13] <Revelation> It's 4.6, I see it under debian other boot options
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• 1142[06:26:24] <Revelation> I can't boot into 4.6 without the error, doesn't let me go past it
• 1143[06:26:40] <somiaj> Revelation: does the machine just stop after you see that error? or are you getting this error in trying to get your bluetooth to work/
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• 1145[06:26:55] <pfred1> sounds like a show stopper to me
• 1146[06:26:57] <Revelation> Yeah it stops after the error when trying to boot
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• 1148[06:27:12] <Revelation> not when trying to get bluetooth to wrk
• 1149[06:27:25] <somiaj> Revelation: I don't think this is why it won't boot. Go edit /etc/default/grub and in the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" [there maybe be other stuff in there], remove the quiet.
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• 1151[06:28:29] <somiaj> after you remove that, run update-grub then reboot, you should see tons more output that may help give a better clue [this could be the error, but sometimes more output is helpful]
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• 1156[06:29:41] <pfred1> wireless hardware is against my religion I never touch the stuff personally
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• 1160[06:32:24] <maxcell_> pfred1, what if its raining?
• 1161[06:32:40] <pfred1> maxcell_ what abotu rain?
• 1162[06:32:43] <pfred1> about even
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• 1165[06:33:11] <Revelation> somiaj: It isn't letting me change it, when I say the file it freezes up
• 1166[06:33:32] <Revelation> this is weird, ill probably just work at it in the morning
• 1167[06:33:50] <maxcell_> pfred1, a lightning is dangerous while is raining, so wireless network are great
• 1168[06:33:58] <somiaj> well I don't understand what 'say the file it feezes up' means. Maybe debug it later.
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• 1170[06:34:15] <Revelation> When it hit ctrl x to save it after editing out quiet
• 1171[06:34:19] <Revelation> the pc just freezes
• 1172[06:34:35] <Revelation> and doesn't do anything, doesn't save nor can i move around the file anymore
• 1173[06:34:48] <pfred1> maxcell_ lightning doesn't bother my hard line network because it is fiber optic
• 1174[06:35:18] <maxcell_> pfred1, good for you but not everyone has the same lucky right
• 1175[06:35:31] <pfred1> maxcell_ sux 2b them
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• 1177[06:36:29] <maxcell_> pfred1, wow so you are better because you have fiber optic
• 1178[06:37:06] <pfred1> maxcell_ when it comes to lightning strikes i guess so
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• 1182[06:39:05] <maxcell_> pfred1, so fckoff those who wants wireless connections
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• 1185[06:40:15] <pfred1> maxcell_ i just said it is against my religion others are free to do what they will
• 1186[06:40:44] <somiaj> enough maxcell_ and pfred1, please drift back to the topic of debian support. thanks.
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• 1188[06:41:28] <maxcell_> you right, idk why i'm saying my opinion if anybody asks anyway
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• 1190[06:42:04] <pfred1> someone fix my stl_vector.h it's a dead donkey
• 1191[06:42:42] <pfred1> this line looks OK to me _M_fill_initialize(static_cast<size_type>(__n), __value);
• 1192[06:42:59] <pfred1> but gcc don't go for it
• 1193[06:43:19] <pfred1> I should ask DJ
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• 1204[06:46:00] <pfred1> what i need to do is install a later version of gcc because they fixed this problem in 4.8
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• 1208[06:47:58] <pfred1> I hate these obscure compiler errors because no one can help
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• 1250[06:59:44] <somiaj> pfred1: getting a newer compiler isn't easy. But you could do this inside a chroot. One way is just use a stretch chroot. If you wanted to expermient a jessie-chroot would be a good place to install a newer complier (or a vm) is a good place to compile stuff.
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• 1252[07:00:17] <pfred1> somiaj I've bootstrapped gcc
• 1253[07:00:37] <pfred1> what ain't easy is mucking with your clib
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• 1255[07:01:04] <pfred1> screw that up and kiss your whole system goodbye
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• 1259[07:01:41] <pfred1> been there, done that
• 1260[07:01:48] <TomTomTo1> why would you do that? giving us the whole output might help instead of vague descriptions.
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• 1262[07:02:27] <jmcnaught> gcc 4.8 and 4.9 are in jessie
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• 1264[07:02:44] <pfred1> jmcnaught I run Wheezy
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• 1266[07:03:02] <jmcnaught> there's your problem
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• 1269[07:03:32] <pfred1> jmcnaught I'm staying on Wheezy on this system until it lets out the magical blue smoke
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• 1279[07:05:07] <ZeroKai> hey
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• 1281[07:05:23] <ZeroKai> anyone in this chatroom
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• 1283[07:05:41] <pfred1> ZeroKai this is a channel AOL has chat rooms
• 1284[07:06:02] <ZeroKai> sorry i just got into irc i have no idea what im doing
• 1285[07:06:11] <ryouma> welcome to irc
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• 1287[07:06:12] <pfred1> well you're here
• 1288[07:06:23] <ryouma> got a debian q?
• 1289[07:06:32] <ZeroKai> how do i get to a chat room...
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• 1294[07:06:59] <pfred1> I'm not even sure if chat rooms are still a thing today
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• 1296[07:07:00] <tom99> lol..
• 1297[07:07:20] <ZeroKai> my friend told me this was the best place to share knowledge...
• 1298[07:07:20] <tom99> pfred1: why have 2 different gcc versions?
• 1299[07:07:38] <pfred1> tom99 so I have one without this bug
• 1300[07:08:13] <somiaj> ZeroKai: synamtics aside, this channel is for debian support. There are other channels for various topics including social channels. You can /j #freenode for info about this irc network.
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• 1303[07:09:31] <ZeroKai> well i need help somiaj
• 1304[07:09:40] <pfred1> ask your question
• 1305[07:09:43] <ZeroKai> how do i not run in root 24/7
• 1306[07:09:53] <pfred1> run as a user
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• 1308[07:10:12] <Mattx> Hello
• 1309[07:10:21] <ZeroKai> my irc client gave me a wierd error when i ran it in root
• 1310[07:10:42] <ZeroKai> the only user i have is root
• 1311[07:10:47] <somiaj> ZeroKai: Use a non root account when you login to your system.
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• 1313[07:10:54] <ZeroKai> kali is very unfriendly...
• 1314[07:10:56] <somiaj> ZeroKai: you can create a new user with 'adduser username' in a console.
• 1315[07:10:56] <pfred1> yes make a user account
• 1316[07:10:59] <Mattx> is there a way to config Debian so that an app consuming too much CPU or memory is killed?
• 1317[07:11:03] <ZeroKai> so make a second account
• 1318[07:11:05] <somiaj> !kali
• 1319[07:11:06] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1321[07:11:24] <Mattx> I'm tired of restarting my computer -.-
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• 1323[07:11:47] <somiaj> ZeroKai: since you are running kali, it is best to use their support from the info on kali. /j #kali-linux for that.
• 1324[07:11:52] <pfred1> Mattx you can use killall on the process
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• 1326[07:12:12] <pfred1> or just kill
• 1327[07:12:28] <Mattx> pfred1, most of the time I can't even use the mouse, it would just freeze while trying to move from swap to memory and back again
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• 1331[07:12:48] <pfred1> yeah sometimes you have to ssh in
• 1332[07:12:57] <Mattx> that's why it has to be something in the operating system
• 1333[07:13:12] <Mattx> even through ssh it would take ages to login
• 1334[07:13:16] <pfred1> run top
• 1335[07:13:37] <Mattx> I know exactly what is causing it, that's not the problem
• 1336[07:13:46] <pfred1> well then kill it
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• 1338[07:13:51] <somiaj> Mattx: I thought cgroups in the kernel can now limit resources to certain processes and systed should allow you to configure this.
• 1339[07:13:51] <Mattx> I want to set a trigger or something so apps can be killed automatically
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• 1343[07:14:36] <pfred1> for a while my DE had a problem like that
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• 1345[07:15:22] <pfred1> I just turned off the thing that was doing it
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• 1348[07:15:44] <Mattx> I'll check that, thanks somiaj. I think there may be an application that goes through the list of processes every now and then checking that
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• 1350[07:16:07] <Mattx> it would be much easier
• 1351[07:17:05] <Mattx> something like this replaced-url
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• 1436[07:58:19] <laidback_01> hey, trying to install debian on a laptop with a busted physical ethernet port. I need to get the iwlwifi firmware - do I just put the package on a usb drive, or is there something else I do?
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• 1439[07:59:06] <Gryllida> you can also get an unofficial debian image which has the non-free firmware inside. or replace your wifi card! that'd be an impressive thing. atheros wifi cards are really cheap. you can check exact model at h-node.org.
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• 1441[08:00:38] <vlt> laidback_01: You could also use your phone’s USB tethering to install the missing wifi firmware.
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• 1444[08:01:06] <laidback_01> I just downloaded the iwlwifi packages to this machine, and will bring them over via USB
• 1445[08:01:19] <laidback_01> thanks, I was hoping it would be that easy, worth asking though.
• 1446[08:01:33] <Ke> so I try to debootstrap stretch with include task-gnome-desktop and it seems to prefer sysvinit(systemd-shim), is there a way to make it go systemd way on debootstrap
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• 1450[08:02:53] <Ke> systemd-shim install fails for obvious reasons there
• 1451[08:03:08] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
• 1452[08:03:08] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
• 1453[08:03:12] <babilen> laidback_01: ^
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• 1457[08:04:35] <laidback_01> cool, I'll do that if this fails
• 1458[08:04:36] <laidback_01> thanks!
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• 1484[08:10:39] <qqz> help; reportbug hangs for more than 20 minutes
• 1485[08:10:46] <qqz> "This operation may take a while"
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• 1487[08:10:59] <qqz> I just question myself 'what operation'?
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• 1489[08:11:30] <Gryllida> sending out mail probably but 20 minutes sounds a bit odd
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• 1494[08:12:51] <qqz> no I am just at the beginning of the process where it should show similar bugs
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• 1499[08:13:43] <qqz> why can I not cancel this option and search myself
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• 1501[08:14:06] <qqz> what if I need to run reportbug and I do not have an internet connection?
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• 1505[08:16:16] <qqz> can I file without reportbug; it just does not seem to work for me.
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• 1512[08:20:20] <jelly> qqz: you can, a bug report is basically just a mail message in a somewhat specific format. If you do not have an internet connection reportbug can leave the generated message someplace for the user to mail it later
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• 1530[08:31:02] <qqz> it hangs at gathering additional data
• 1531[08:31:13] <qqz> the debian reportbug utility
• 1532[08:31:16] <qqz> what can I do
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• 1535[08:31:35] <qqz> why can I not use it offline at all?
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• 1537[08:32:10] <babilen> qqz: Even with "--no-query-bts" ?
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• 1540[08:32:29] <qqz> will try that
• 1541[08:32:36] * babilen just took a look at the manpgage
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• 1543[08:32:46] <babilen> manpage even .. maybe you might want to do that also
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• 1559[08:41:15] <vin> If I have a packaged installed, but that package is not in the cache anymore - can I export it somehow with dpkg/apt?
• 1560[08:41:39] <nkuttler> vin: not really, no. just download it again
• 1561[08:41:56] <vin> hmm, too bad
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• 1591[09:03:00] <maxcell_> hi
• 1592[09:03:10] <Gryllida> hi maxcell_
• 1593[09:03:30] <maxcell_> how are you
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• 1741[10:00:51] <veek> is there a sha1 database of installed files
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• 1757[10:04:33] <petn-randall> veek: Not always, but you're probably looking for the package 'debsums'.
• 1758[10:04:41] <veek> yeah ran that
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• 1760[10:05:01] <veek> but i think it checks against the checksums stored on dis
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• 1762[10:05:06] <veek> disk
• 1763[10:05:29] <petn-randall> veek: Yes, that's what you asked for?
• 1764[10:05:35] <veek> i wanted to download the checksums and then manually verify
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• 1767[10:06:14] <petn-randall> veek: Do you suspect malware on that machine?
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• 1771[10:06:33] <veek> petn-randall, nope - i'm reasonably certain the box is clean
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• 1775[10:07:08] <veek> none of the standard tools report anything suspicious but i am running QQ (a chinese chat app) in xp+virtualbox
• 1776[10:07:21] <veek> so i'm being extra cautious
• 1777[10:07:45] <veek> not that there's anything of interest on my laptop..
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• 1786[10:09:14] <petn-randall> veek: debsums has also the option to re-download the packages and use those checksums, check out the man page.
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• 1941[11:08:27] <spleen> Hello all, i have a lot of script defined in crontab.. i would like to sort it by hour of run in the day.. how could i do it ?
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• 1944[11:09:27] <jelly> spleen: pipe to something like... sort -k2,2n -k1,1n ?
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• 1949[11:10:50] <choice> Holy Moly, there seems to be a giant update today. What happened?
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• 1955[11:12:23] <choice> "apt-get update && apt get upgrade" updates tons and tons of stuff. Even the kernel.
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• 1960[11:13:03] <Ke> wasn't it the latest jessie point release
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• 1963[11:13:15] <choice> Ke: What's that?
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• 1966[11:14:13] <choice> I hope all my machines will survive this.
• 1967[11:14:35] <Ke> Debian 8.5 or something, should be harmless
• 1968[11:14:35] <Storfiskaren> choice: Debian 8.6 was released
• 1969[11:15:01] <choice> Storfiskaren: But shouldnt "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" only patch security issues and bugs?
• 1970[11:15:06] <Ke> something, it seems
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• 1972[11:16:05] <Storfiskaren> choice: my understanding is that it also upgrades packages, dist-upgrade may remove old packages and install new.
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• 1976[11:16:55] <Ke> choice: mostly, though things like chromium seem to follow upstream rather than have everything backported
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• 1978[11:17:20] <lethu> are you talking about stable?
• 1979[11:17:21] <choice> Storfiskaren: What means it "upgrades packages"? Like you had one version of an application and then suddenly you have a different one?
• 1980[11:17:25] <Ke> afaik also kernel receives hw support
• 1981[11:17:27] <choice> lethu: Debian 8
• 1982[11:17:35] <lethu> choice, ah thanks
• 1983[11:17:47] <lethu> I got no updates
• 1984[11:17:52] <lethu> I am on jessie
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• 1987[11:18:39] <choice> lethu: What is Jessie?
• 1988[11:18:53] <lethu> choice, the release
• 1989[11:19:03] <Ke> choice: debian 8.*
• 1990[11:19:05] <lethu> last stable one
• 1991[11:19:13] <choice> Isn't that what I use too?
• 1992[11:19:21] <Ke> yes
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• 1995[11:19:46] <Ke> stretch will be 9.*
• 1996[11:19:57] <choice> I am on Debian 8.
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• 2000[11:21:04] <choice> I still don't understand how so many things can change at once.
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• 2002[11:22:19] <Ke> anyway, the updates there are mostly conservative and safe
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• 2004[11:22:56] <choice> Rebooted 2 machines so far and all seems fine.
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• 2006[11:23:38] <ksk> you can kind of expect things to go well after a point realease. As a private user you really dont have to worry imho.
• 2007[11:24:05] <choice> I have witnessed machines not coming up after updates several times.
• 2008[11:24:10] <bumbar_> is there a tool that moves log files and appends incrementing number at end? i'm running some service in screen, and every time i restart it i'd like screenlog.0 to be moved to screenlog.0001, and upon next restart to screenlog.0002 etc
• 2009[11:24:29] <ksk> bumbar_: logrotate
• 2010[11:24:35] <choice> And for "private" well... some hundred thousand users depend on these machines.
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• 2013[11:26:00] <Guest30581> hi
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• 2015[11:27:20] <choice> For one of the machines, my terminal hangs after I typed "reboot" in ssh.
• 2016[11:27:36] <choice> If the machine rebooted, wouldn't my terminal say "broken pipe"?
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• 2018[11:28:01] <choice> CTRL+c does not do anything.
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• 2020[11:28:38] <choice> In Google Analytics, I see there was a minute with less pageviews and then traffic went back to normal.
• 2021[11:28:42] <choice> So I guess it rebooted.
• 2022[11:28:48] <choice> But why does my terminal hang?
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• 2025[11:29:26] <choice> Ah, got the "Broken pipe" now. Phew :)
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• 2028[11:30:13] <choice> Uptime 3 minutes. Guess this machine survived as well.
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• 2032[11:31:59] <ksk> choice: you can always drop that shell, using: "<enter> <~> <~> ." this will make the shell end the current running process (ssh client)
• 2033[11:32:15] <choice> chachasmooth: Interesting.
• 2034[11:32:33] <choice> ksk: Interesting.
• 2035[11:32:38] <choice> ksk: How do I type that?
• 2036[11:33:08] <iKarith> ,v jython
• 2037[11:33:09] <judd> Package: jython on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.5.2-1; jessie: 2.5.3-3; stretch: 2.5.3-10; sid: 2.5.3-10
• 2038[11:33:20] <iKarith> ... 2.5.3?!
• 2039[11:33:28] <iKarith> *sigh*
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• 2042[11:33:53] <choice> ksk: I tried the enter key, then a tilde by pressing ALT and the plus key (im on a german keyboard" then again and then the dot key. But that does not work.
• 2043[11:34:14] <iKarith> You can't even import a python3 print function in that. :(
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• 2053[11:43:33] <fredl> argh. I try to set up a server to have an authorized SSH key for root
• 2054[11:43:47] <fredl> I know, not exactly best practice but....
• 2055[11:44:05] <fredl> I don't get it to work and that annoys me.
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• 2058[11:44:34] <fredl> I have PermitRootLogin yes
• 2059[11:44:41] <Storfiskaren> choice: it looks like you need to be testing the upgrade on some non production machine before upgrading.
• 2060[11:45:00] <guiniol> hello all! I just got my hands on a VPS and noticed gcc was installed. I'm trying to remove it but when I try to autoremove gcc-6-base, it list most of the system as dependency, like apt, bash, login, mount, etc... which I do not want to remove. What are the names of the metapackages to install to have the base system? Or, is there a way to mark some packages as installed explicitely?
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• 2062[11:45:29] <fredl> Still in auth.log it says Failed password for root
• 2063[11:45:57] <fredl> yet when I 'su -' the password works
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• 2066[11:46:46] <choice> Storfiskaren: The first 2 machines were testing machines. The 3rd was a production machine. I also rebooted nr 4 now and it went fine too.
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• 2069[11:47:31] <choice> Storfiskaren: (Nr 1 was a development machin. Nr 2 an exact copy of the production machine.)
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• 2072[11:48:06] <Storfiskaren> choice: OK, good luck with the upgrade
• 2073[11:48:35] <choice> Thanks!
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• 2081[11:52:20] <ksk> choice: enter, two tildes, and a dot. using osx here, dont really know "normal" keymaps anymore ;)
• 2082[11:52:41] <choice> ksk: Yeah, tried it. Did not work.
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• 2084[11:53:11] <choice> ksk: Or does it only work if the terminal hangs? I tried it in a normal terminal.
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• 2089[11:53:56] <ksk> only if it hangs, it seems.
• 2090[11:54:03] <choice> Oh.
• 2091[11:54:12] <choice> Well, gotta wait for something to hang then.
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• 2126[12:07:28] <SynrG> ksk: two tildes? i only need that if stacked two ssh connections deep. otherwise, just one.
• 2127[12:07:54] <SynrG> ksk: i.e. ssh host1, then from host1, ssh host2
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• 2130[12:08:15] <SynrG> two tildes drops the connection from host1 to host2. one tilde drops me all the way back
• 2131[12:09:30] <SynrG> keep adding tildes for each level of nested ssh connections. this is because '~~' at the beginning of the line sends a literal tilde
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• 2134[12:10:09] <SynrG> unfortunately, choice is gone. but that would explain why it didn't work for them.
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• 2136[12:10:24] <SynrG> has nothing to do with whether the terminal is in a hung state or not.
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• 2152[12:21:22] <gosul33t> does anyone know why in debian systems, the output of 'ifconfig' command, ran by a non-root user outputs "command not found"
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• 2154[12:21:52] <Mava> because it must be so
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• 2157[12:22:13] <babilen> gosul33t: Because it is not in your PATH
• 2158[12:22:22] <babilen> (and you should use 'ip' anyway)
• 2159[12:22:29] <Mava> users are not meant to run commands such as ifconfig. thus the /sbin/ is not in your PATH
• 2160[12:22:40] <babilen> gosul33t: Both are in /sbin which you ... ^
• 2161[12:22:56] <babilen> PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:"${PATH}"
• 2162[12:22:58] <Mava> babilen: lets not start the ip / ifconfig discuss ;)
• 2163[12:23:01] <babilen> Or somesuch
• 2164[12:23:05] <babilen> Mava: Okay :)
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• 2166[12:23:36] <Mava> hehe, but true
• 2167[12:23:40] <Mava> gosul33t: /sbin/ip addr show
• 2168[12:24:05] <gosul33t> Mava, yup, I used that, just got me wondering haha
• 2169[12:24:10] <gosul33t> thanks for answering btw
• 2170[12:24:14] <Flashtek> the 'ip' in /sbin is a symlink to the one in /bin
• 2171[12:24:23] <Mava> hehe, np =)
• 2172[12:24:37] <Mava> you can run that without sudo! :O
• 2173[12:24:41] <Flashtek> yarp
• 2174[12:24:49] <Mava> yaaaar, my life changed!
• 2175[12:25:00] <matt_keys> headless debian 8.0, i'm trying to use geoclue-test-gui but it shows no information on location. i noticed there used to be a geoclue-gpsd package for this?
• 2176[12:25:03] <Flashtek> also 'ip addr show' = 'ip a'
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• 2187[12:32:12] <goose1> I've no sound on my Jessie EeePC since a large update applied today. How do I get it working? Mixer settings seem fine
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• 2198[12:35:37] <jer0me> goose1: if you use pulseaudio, try "pavucontrol" gui tool maybe. Your default output might not be the one you expect.
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• 2203[12:37:12] <goose1> Hmm OK. Was working fine before update
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• 2208[12:39:00] <goose1> Any idea which services are involved in sound?
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• 2211[12:39:39] <SynrG> again, that depends on if you use pulse or not
• 2212[12:39:56] <flip214> Hi, since a few days my "apt-get install" says "invalid snapshot" right before stopping.
• 2213[12:40:07] <goose1> Well it's xfce + Jessie
• 2214[12:40:19] <flip214> can I configure that away?
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• 2217[12:40:50] <SynrG> afaik, all desktops use pulseaudio by default
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• 2219[12:41:00] <flip214> much earlier it says "the configuration 'root' is not available. snapper is probably not configured."
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• 2221[12:41:14] <flip214> ah, found it...
• 2222[12:41:15] <flip214> ./apt.conf.d/80snapper
• 2223[12:41:20] <SynrG> so unless you explicitly disabled it, there should be a 'pulseaudio' process as root, and another 'pulseaudio' process as your logged in user
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• 2225[12:41:45] <SynrG> ah, hmm. maybe not one as root ...
• 2226[12:41:56] <SynrG> i forget how it worked on jessie, tbh
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• 2229[12:42:20] <SynrG> goose1: ok, i think there's only the user one
• 2230[12:42:28] <teraflops> SynrG: pulseadio never runs as root
• 2231[12:42:39] <SynrG> teraflops: yep. confirmed against a jessie system
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• 2233[12:43:27] <teraflops> idk how is launched on testing/sid perhaps .socket
• 2234[12:43:30] <SynrG> goose1: also, if you use eeepc-acpi-scripts, that could complicate things.
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• 2239[12:45:22] <SynrG> flaky greek telecom :p
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• 2261[12:50:57] <balor> What automatically adds my wlan0 and wlan1 to /etc/network/interfaces? I want to stop it doing so by default as I'd prefer NetworkManager to manage my connections.
• 2262[12:51:42] <jelly> balor: nothing adds stuff to /e/n/interfaces automatically, only the installer does that
• 2263[12:51:54] <jelly> balor: which debian release are you using?
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• 2265[12:52:13] <balor> jelly, ah, thanks. I'm using Rasbian, which I'm aware isn't vanilla Debian.
• 2266[12:52:19] <jelly> !raspbian
• 2267[12:52:20] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 2271[12:52:56] <jelly> balor: people in this channel are not aware of changes derivative distros add -- please ask in the right channel for your distro
• 2272[12:53:26] <balor> jelly, Thanks I know. It's just that people on this channel are generally more technically aware than the derivative channels.
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• 2274[12:54:02] <jelly> and you can exploit that technical potential when you have an actual Debian installation
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• 2285[12:58:07] <MrTorque> Hi. I am running debian jessie on a vserver and set up iptables rules. Now i am wondering, which ipv6 settings i need and if it would be possible to turn ipv6 off (i do not need it, but i do not know, if the vserver needs it). Any advice on that?
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• 2288[12:58:44] <Dagger> the entire internet needs v6, and your server is part of the internet. just leave it alone
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• 2293[13:00:12] <MrTorque> Dagger: which firewall rules for iptables do i set?
• 2294[13:00:38] <Dagger> mostly the same as whatever you do on v4
• 2295[13:00:58] <Dagger> don't block ICMPv6 obviously, but that should be no different to v4
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• 2301[13:03:25] <shoobie> I'm using Debian 8 jessie. I keep running up against bugs with the Qt taskbar -- applications aren't appearing. How do I safely upgrade to a version of Qt?
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• 2305[13:07:03] <jelly> shoobie: which package provides the Qt taskbar thing you're using?
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• 2308[13:07:46] <MrTorque> Dagger: so i just use the same rules? iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4 and then load with ip6tables-restore < /etc/iptables/rules.v4 ?
• 2309[13:07:47] <shoobie> jelly: I let the first one slide but I just ran into #2 just now: qclip
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• 2312[13:08:23] <Dagger> MrTorque: give it a go, but you may need some minor changes
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• 2314[13:09:06] <Dagger> (also don't NAT on v6... although if you're on a VPS then probably you either aren't doing NAT or you aren't getting enough v6 space to route :\)
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• 2328[13:13:58] <shoobie> jelly: thoughts on how to upgrade qt?
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• 2352[13:25:12] <Haxxa> Hi I am currently getting this message: "mod_proxy_html requires mod_xml2enc. Without it, non-ASCII characters in proxied pages are likely to display incorrectly.
• 2353[13:25:12] <Haxxa> "
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• 2356[13:25:28] <reafrea3> hi
• 2357[13:25:32] <Haxxa> I can't find the package in debian which has mod_xml2enc
• 2358[13:25:44] <reafrea3> can anyone help me force update openvpn to 2.3.3?
• 2359[13:26:24] <themill> Haxxa: if you've got apache then you've already got it; you may need to enable it though (a2enmod)
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• 2361[13:26:59] <themill> reafrea3: what are you really trying to achieve here?
• 2362[13:27:09] <Haxxa> themill, I get ERROR: Module mod_xml2enc does not exist!
• 2363[13:27:21] <reafrea3> i'm trying to get openvpn to support tls version 1.2
• 2364[13:27:28] <Haxxa> when I try to enable it through a2enmod
• 2365[13:27:37] <reafrea3> apparently openvpn 2.3.12 uses tls 1.0
• 2366[13:27:58] <matt_keys> anybody familiar with geoclue?
• 2367[13:28:02] <themill> reafrea3: 12 > 3.
• 2368[13:28:04] <Haxxa> nvm figured it out
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• 2370[13:28:37] <themill> (and 2,3,12 is nowhere in any debian release)
• 2371[13:29:48] <reafrea3> oh, i guess thats the package i just downloaded
• 2372[13:29:55] <reafrea3> looks like i have 2.3.4
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• 2374[13:30:30] <reafrea3> does this make any sense to you?
• 2375[13:30:30] <reafrea3> Using TLS v1.2 with OpenVPN 2.3.4
• 2376[13:30:30] <reafrea3> It's disabled by default, and if you add e.g. tls-cipher TLS-DHE-RSA-WITH-AES-256-GCM-SHA384 (a TLS v1.2 cipher) to your server config it silently breaks. The solution is to add tls-version-min 1.2 to both the server and client config, and then it works like a charm.
• 2377[13:31:03] * themill does not use openvpn
• 2378[13:31:39] <teraflops> I use it beacuse I'm lazy
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• 2381[13:33:47] <reafrea3> i might be too dumb to use linux -_-;
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• 2416[13:50:51] <implijer> Is there a command to list packages installed from ".deb" ?
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• 2425[13:54:56] <marco_NL> I'm looking for an easy way to install debian on a system, but then unattended. All I want to put in is the host name and the rest should be done automatically. Can anyone tell me what the best solution is for this? I need it because I will be installing loads of the same servers, but only the host name is different
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• 2447[14:00:40] <john_rambo> sdb1 is my SSD. Have I entered the noatime option correctly ? >>>replaced-url
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• 2454[14:04:11] <tobiasBora> Hello,
• 2455[14:04:30] <tobiasBora> I was looking for dvdrtools, but it's not in debian repositories anymore... Do you know why ?
• 2456[14:05:11] <implijer> john_rambo, why it wouldn't be entered correctly ?
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• 2460[14:05:27] <cruncher> john_rambo, yes, you did
• 2461[14:05:43] <cruncher> but as implijer says, why you think its wrong?
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• 2464[14:06:00] <john_rambo> Just checking ... Thanks
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• 2471[14:08:25] <teraflops> ,v cdrkit
• 2472[14:08:26] <judd> No package named 'cdrkit' was found in amd64.
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• 2475[14:09:44] <implijer> there is a brasero-cdrkit thought
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• 2477[14:10:29] <cruncher> tobiasBora, i know it was removed from unstable due to license issues, i guess the same applies to stable
• 2478[14:10:59] <teraflops> ,v wodim
• 2479[14:11:00] <judd> Package: wodim on amd64 -- wheezy: 9:1.1.11-2; stretch: 9:1.1.11-3; jessie: 9:1.1.11-3; sid: 9:1.1.11-3
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• 2482[14:11:34] <teraflops> tobiasBora: perhaps replaced-url
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• 2484[14:12:57] <cruncher> also RoQA, low popularity, orphaned, dead upstream, no revdeps
• 2485[14:13:03] <Lope> anyone here tried using thunderbird, storing the emails in maildir format? (one file per email) I'm considering changing over to it to drastically speedup backup operations. replaced-url
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• 2491[14:14:32] <cruncher> tobiasBora, but in case you need it oyu can still download it from snapshot
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• 2496[14:16:54] <imhighowareyou> hey
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• 2498[14:17:07] <teraflops> hey
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• 2500[14:17:34] <imhighowareyou> i accidentally removed my debian live usb
• 2501[14:17:52] <teraflops> it's live dd it again
• 2502[14:18:06] <teraflops> dd/cp
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• 2504[14:18:28] <imhighowareyou> im trying to avoid losing my work
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• 2507[14:18:50] <jelly> don't install under influence, imhighowareyou!
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• 2515[14:21:01] <imhighowareyou> @teraflops: when you say dd it again, you mean write over the existing live disk?
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• 2517[14:21:34] <ChrisH> imhighowareyou: 'removed' as in rm debian-live.iso or 'removed' as in unplugged the Stick?
• 2518[14:21:53] <imhighowareyou> yeah i just did a hotswap
• 2519[14:22:06] <imhighowareyou> moved it to a different USB port
• 2520[14:22:15] <jelly> that will confuse the installer
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• 2525[14:23:04] <imhighowareyou> well im not installing it per say, just running it live, if that makes a difference
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• 2530[14:24:17] <imhighowareyou> it was automounting to /dev/sdb* but now it's automounting to /dev/sdc* instead
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• 2532[14:24:30] <imhighowareyou> so i tried this
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• 2534[14:24:57] <ChrisH> imhighowareyou: save your work somewhere. Where you put it as a save place as before. An USB Stick is no save place. Afterwards reset the box and re-boot. Most probably the fastest way yo get up and running again.
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• 2536[14:25:17] <imhighowareyou> mount /dev/disk/by-label/Debian\\x20Live /dev/sdb
• 2537[14:25:46] <imhighowareyou> which seemed to work, no errors, except if i check fdisk -l, there shows no changes
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• 2541[14:28:16] <imhighowareyou> @ChrisH: Of course, that's obvious. i'm trying to avoid doing it that way
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• 2544[14:31:37] <tobiasBora> Ok thank you !
• 2545[14:31:47] <imhighowareyou> any ideas teraflops
• 2546[14:32:26] <tobiasBora> And I have a problem, I cannot deal with my CD-RW. When I try to burn audio CD with K3b, it fails, and I then cannot erase the content. I also tried from command line :
• 2547[14:32:28] <tobiasBora> Sense Code: 0x51 Qual 0x00 (erase failure) Fru 0x0
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• 2550[14:33:11] <tobiasBora> For the full error when I erase it : replaced-url
• 2551[14:33:26] <tobiasBora> and I use the command "wodim dev=/dev/cdrom blank=all"
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• 2559[14:35:14] <cobra_koral> Hello guys
• 2560[14:35:15] <cobra_koral> Anybody using samba with heimdal successfully on debian ?
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• 2568[14:39:27] <ChrisH> tobiasBora: line 20 indicats the RW is faulty. You might want to use speed=2
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• 2570[14:40:37] <CruX|> hi which KDE version will be in debian 9 ?
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• 2573[14:43:20] <abrotman> CruX|: No one knows yet, it's not frozen at this point
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• 2577[14:45:01] <kqr> I don't generally like notifications, so I haven't bothered with them before. however, I'd now like to get a desktop pop-up notification for some special cases. it seems notify-osd is a good program to receive notifications, and notify-send is good for sending them. after having installed both of these packages, nothing shows up when I execute notify-send. this is without a pre-packaged desktop environment,
• 2578[14:45:02] <CruX|> abrotman: ah thx
• 2579[14:45:03] <kqr> in debian stretch
• 2580[14:45:13] <tobiasBora> ChrisH: I tried, but same error. Even with speed=0 it doesn't work : replaced-url
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• 2589[14:49:21] <tobiasBora> ChrisH: I tried another program, but the problem is the same : replaced-url
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• 2592[14:50:58] <ChrisH> tobiasBora: another CD-RW?
• 2593[14:51:12] <tobiasBora> ChrisH: I tried with 5 different CD...
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• 2597[14:53:29] <Skyrider> Burning cd's?
• 2598[14:53:31] <Skyrider> Isnt that oldskool
• 2599[14:55:31] <Flashtek> CD?
• 2600[14:55:41] <RoyK> floppies ftw!
• 2601[14:56:13] * Flashtek remembers kick starting Linux installs from a boot (kernel) and a root floppy...
• 2602[14:56:21] <Flashtek> back in the days of Caldera Linux
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• 2605[14:57:55] * RoyK remembers back in 1998 or 1999 or so, after spending 30 hours debugging network issues at replaced-url
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• 2616[15:02:25] <tobiasBora> Yes, CD's are old, but sadly sometimes it's the only way to play music (in some buses for examples)
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• 2624[15:06:09] <ChrisH> tobiasBora: get CD-R they are less picky even the enviromental point is better for reusing RWs
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• 2627[15:07:35] <tobiasBora> ChrisH: Why re-using CD-R is bad ?
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• 2631[15:09:51] <RoyK> keep in mind that some old cd players don't like CD-RWs
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• 2638[15:12:29] <kqr> oh so it turns out notify-osd has to be running too. never mind my question!
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• 2641[15:12:46] <tobiasBora> Hym...
• 2642[15:13:03] <tobiasBora> It seems that libburn can erase my CD-RW !
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• 2644[15:13:12] <M-alex_mayorga> ¡Hola! I need to report a bug in Debian in which the brightness Fn keys do not work, they just show the on screen indicator but the actual brightness of the screen remains unchanged. Which package should I give to "reportbug"?
• 2645[15:13:15] <tobiasBora> Now let's try to burn it !
• 2646[15:13:36] <Kocane> Hey guys
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• 2648[15:13:44] <Kocane> I just did an upgrade to Jessie from Wheezy
• 2649[15:14:06] <Kocane> When I pass the 'reboot' command now, it doesn't show the regular "System is going down for a reboot now" message
• 2650[15:14:10] <Kocane> What can be wrong?
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• 2653[15:15:43] <cobra_koral> which reboot
• 2654[15:16:03] <Kocane> cobra_koral, which reboot?
• 2655[15:16:58] <cobra_koral> sorry, which tells the location of a file that executes the command
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• 2657[15:17:08] <cobra_koral> but just checked, reboot has no binary so it seems
• 2658[15:17:16] <cobra_koral> did you upgrade the kernel too ?
• 2659[15:17:18] <cobra_koral> uname -a
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• 2669[15:22:04] <Kocane> cobra_koral, Ah ok, idiotic of me not to know what ya meant there :p.. which = /sbin/reboot
• 2670[15:22:06] <Kocane> uname
• 2671[15:22:07] <Kocane> uname -a
• 2672[15:22:14] <Kocane> Linux naser 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u1 (2016-09-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 2680[15:27:26] <miaoMish> alright so I can't search this because issues. "unable to resolv host localhost.localdomain" in my terminal
• 2681[15:27:29] <miaoMish> what did I break?
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• 2690[15:31:40] <Storfiskaren> miaoMish: resolv? (cat /etc/resolv.conf)
• 2691[15:31:49] <Flashtek> miaoMish: cat /etc/hosts
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• 2706[15:37:18] <dD> My screen won't stop flickering, and I can't find what the problem is. Does anyone know how to debug it?
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• 2709[15:37:51] <miaoMish> mmmm.... yeah i checked that and i think i might have fixed it
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• 2712[15:39:35] <dD> miaoMish, the screen flickering?
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• 2714[15:40:07] <miaoMish> dD: nah, currently in #gnu discussing the libreboot exit from the gnu because cisgenders fired a transgender
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• 2717[15:40:39] <Storfiskaren> dD: could it be a hardware failure?
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• 2719[15:42:09] <dD> Storfiskaren, maybe? Is there a quick way to find out?
• 2720[15:43:01] <Storfiskaren> dD: test with a live cd, maybe
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• 2725[15:45:48] <Kocane> cobra_koral, :/?
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• 2729[15:47:05] <cobra_koral> kocane: I think you didn't install systemd
• 2730[15:47:07] <cobra_koral> mine is like
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• 2732[15:47:18] <cobra_koral> file /sbin/reboot
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• 2735[15:47:56] <cobra_koral> mine is a link to /bin/systemctl
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• 2737[15:48:57] <cobra_koral> "/sbin/reboot: symbolic link to /bin/systemctl"
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• 2741[15:50:33] <cobra_koral> check if you have systemd installed apt-get install systemd. Not sure if it was mandatory in wheezy
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• 2751[15:57:42] <Kocane> cobra_koral: "/sbin/reboot: symbolic link to /bin/systemctl"
• 2752[15:57:54] <Kocane> Its not that it doesnt reboot
• 2753[15:57:56] <Kocane> it just acts odd
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• 2950[17:05:51] <ghormoon> hi, any idea why cusps doesn't ask for password? I remember previously it did, but now I get unauthorized right away
• 2951[17:05:56] <jaythelinuxguy> On my Jessie laptop (openbox and MATE) I have a strange envolope icon that shows up in Openbox each time I press a volume key (volume up, down, mute, etc). It basically shows a notification each time I adjust the volume. Is there an easy way to make this icon to not show up when adjusting the volume?
• 2952[17:06:19] <ghormoon> I mean password for root, to be able to add printer
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• 2959[17:07:54] <greycat> Your web browser probably stored the user/pass.
• 2960[17:08:19] <ghormoon> I've tried to run it even in different browser and even one run from root. still not
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• 2969[17:10:01] <ghormoon> I've deleted stored info for localhost (only some cookie, no password there) and still nope
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• 2975[17:11:18] <Storfiskaren> ghormoon: doesn't it only ask for login when modifying printers and stuff?
• 2976[17:11:30] <ghormoon> Storfiskaren: yes, I need to add new one :)
• 2977[17:11:55] <Storfiskaren> ghormoon: and then, it doesn't ask for credentials?
• 2978[17:12:00] <ghormoon> no, just spits out 401
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• 2981[17:13:04] <Storfiskaren> ghormoon: strange indeed
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• 3003[17:23:11] <ghormoon> hm, tried to purge and install cups, but the config obviously stayed there :)
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• 3033[17:35:41] <ToHellWithGA> jmcnaught, teraflops: i have now installed pyvenv-3.4 and have made a virtualenv from which hangups can run. is there any way to script running the binaries in that virtualenv directly without first starting, for lack of a better description, a virtualenv "shell"?
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• 3063[17:45:04] <aguitel> what kernel run in debian stretch ?
• 3064[17:45:20] <greycat> aguitel: /msg judd kernels or ask the stretch channel
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• 3081[17:52:57] <aguitel> need to install debian with kernel 4.7 , what iso are available ?
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• 3083[17:53:20] <greycat> !tell aguitel about debian-next
• 3084[17:53:39] <aguitel> this is chromebook , and kernel 4.7 series recognize keyboard
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• 3093[17:55:35] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: where did you install pyvenv from?
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• 3095[17:56:48] <ToHellWithGA> jmcnaught: from aptitude
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• 3097[17:57:09] <ToHellWithGA> python3.4-venv
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• 3101[17:58:34] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: okay, it wasn't clear when you called it pyvenv-3.4. You might as well also install python3-venv which will always depend on the latest version
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• 3121[18:08:13] <robot> any body USING i3 WINDOW MANGER plz help , HOW can i use j4status with i3
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• 3125[18:09:41] <ToHellWithGA> jmcnaught: i read, and i may be misinformed, that pyvenv-3.4 includes pip when making a venv but pyvenv-3.3 (the version i initially had when i installed python3-venv) does not.
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• 3127[18:09:46] <robot> any body USING i3 WINDOW MANGEer ?????? plz help how can i get volume pop notification on pressing volume key . i am using debian on thinkpad t420
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• 3130[18:10:16] <robot> any body USING i3 WINDOW MANGEer ?????? plz help how can i get volume pop notification on pressing volume key . i am using debian on thinkpad t420
• 3131[18:10:22] <greycat> robot: please don't repeat questions so quickly. Jesus. Chill out.
• 3132[18:10:35] <greycat> If nobody answers after, say, 10-15 minutes then it's OK to repeat.
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• 3143[18:12:06] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: why would python3-venv had installed python3.3-venv? Are you on Jessie? python3-venv here on jessie installs pip in the venv
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• 3146[18:14:18] <rhinoceros> robot, it is clearly explained inside the manual : replaced-url
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• 3149[18:16:14] <ghormoon> is there some trusted repository for printer drivers or I need to trust random packages I google up? :)
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• 3156[18:20:29] <graytron> ghormoon: what's wrong with debian repository?
• 3157[18:20:51] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: i'm still using python-virtualenv which predates venv being included in python 3.3, though they are pretty similar. Are you asking how to run stuff in the venv interactively? or are you trying to deploy some web app or something?
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• 3159[18:23:28] <ghormoon> graytron: maybe I search wrong, but there's nothing for dell printers :)
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• 3170[18:27:56] <hellyeah> is there an app. for downloading plural sight videos?
• 3171[18:28:19] <graytron> ghormoon: model?
• 3172[18:28:28] <ghormoon> 3115cn
• 3173[18:28:32] <jelly> plural sight?
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• 3175[18:29:01] <ghormoon> nvm, searching directly the number worked
• 3176[18:29:01] <ghormoon> :D
• 3177[18:29:09] <ghormoon> I tried dell and greeping cups
• 3178[18:29:12] <ghormoon> and that didn't work
• 3179[18:29:12] <ghormoon> :)
• 3180[18:30:12] <ghormoon> ah, no, apt just found the one I found on net
• 3181[18:30:17] <ghormoon> so nope :)
• 3182[18:30:25] <ghormoon> it works, it's just hell slow
• 3183[18:30:27] <hellyeah> jelly: you dont know plural sight?
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• 3185[18:31:22] <jelly> no.
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• 3193[18:34:28] <hellyeah> plural sight is website that hosts video for education purposes in computer language
• 3194[18:35:22] <jmcnaught> hellyeah: if they don't have a download option on their website then they don't want you to download the videos.
• 3195[18:35:28] <jelly> hellyeah: if it's a commercial venue, check their Acceptable Use Policy to see if it's legal to download videos for offline use
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• 3197[18:36:01] <hellyeah> hmmm okey
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• 3203[18:37:53] <robot> i need debian package for j4statUS
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• 3220[18:42:46] <robot> how to get volUME and brightness status in i3 window manger plz help
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• 3223[18:44:01] <jer0me> robot: you may ask on the i3 channel maybe ?
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• 3251[18:57:47] <ToHellWithGA> jmcnaught: my goal is to run one program that is not available from anyplace other than pip. that's all.
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• 3255[18:58:09] <ToHellWithGA> i'd like to run it locally on this computer, and i'd like to type "hangups" in a terminal to run it.
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• 3259[18:58:42] <ferchita> Hello everybody is it ok to put /tmp on a different partition ? according to FHS it seems to be forbiden replaced-url
• 3260[18:58:43] <ToHellWithGA> i am on jessie, and i suppose i shouldn't have trusted the website i found regarding if venv 3.3 had pip
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• 3286[19:11:04] <l3archos> hi all. I cannot remember: what is the config file I need to look when configuring static ip address for network interfaces? (no, I am not looking for /etc/network/interfaces but the newer/correct one). Please give me a hint which package manual I have to look at. I forgot the name and cannot find it actually
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• 3290[19:11:58] <l3archos> iirc it was something in relation with dhcp because I remember it confused me at the beginning
• 3291[19:12:09] <l3archos> because I was not looking for DHCP configuration, but the configuration file sounds like that
• 3292[19:12:18] <robot> plz help ??? anyboDy using i3 window manger ??? how can i get volume and brightness status in i3 manager
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• 3296[19:13:55] <petemc> l3archos: /etc/network/interfaces is correct
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• 3300[19:15:16] <l3archos> petemc: no, there's another configuration file, I definitely remember. Debian HowTo also explained it and refers to it as "correct" up-to-date way to configure static ip addresses. /etc/network/interfaces is the old fashion well-known way... anyone else?
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• 3304[19:15:54] <petn-randall> l3archos: That's still the way, though? The only other well-known way is to use network-manager. It also has a cli tool.
• 3305[19:16:16] <l3archos> nope, it was something that sounded like dhcp
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• 3309[19:16:45] <l3archos> I also remember I did read the Debian HowTo and a "man" page that describe exactly this new configuration file
• 3310[19:16:55] <petn-randall> l3archos: You configure dhcp through /etc/network/interfaces, or you loose state. Are you thinking of /etc/dhclient?
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• 3312[19:17:22] <petn-randall> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf?
• 3313[19:17:30] <l3archos> etc/dhclient is not a valid file? dhclient is the binary, you mean /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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• 3317[19:17:43] <petn-randall> l3archos: ^
• 3318[19:17:46] <l3archos> ok ok, but I remember it was another file, not this
• 3319[19:17:56] <l3archos> hmmm...guess I have to google for it
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• 3321[19:18:19] <afx_> Hello ! recently after updating jessie 8 gnome , the appearance of firefox and hexchat changed . I am the only one?
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• 3323[19:18:54] <ZorroT> trying to start openvpn client on debian 8 -- i get ERROR: Can't open TUN/TAP dev
• 3324[19:19:00] <greycat> Fonts change all the time, and I just ignore them mostly.
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• 3326[19:19:02] <ZorroT> modprobe tun does not install it
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• 3328[19:20:25] <petn-randall> ZorroT: What is the complete command you're running, and as what user?
• 3329[19:20:37] <ZorroT> sudo openvpn <config>
• 3330[19:20:55] <ZorroT> same command works on opensuse desktop.
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• 3332[19:21:49] <petn-randall> ZorroT: Can you paste the complete command + errors to replaced-url
• 3333[19:22:02] <afx_> greycat, replaced-url
• 3334[19:22:09] <afx_> is this normal ?
• 3335[19:22:15] <ZorroT> i'm not comfortable sharing identifying information,but i can paste the errors
• 3336[19:22:17] <afx_> noticed on gimp too
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• 3338[19:22:48] <petn-randall> ZorroT: You can replace the sensitive parts with XXXX.
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• 3341[19:23:16] <greycat> afx_: what is the issue exactly? Looks like a menu.
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• 3344[19:24:17] <afx_> greycat, :) it's different though . The whole appearance of the window changed too
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• 3348[19:25:00] <ZorroT> sent
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• 3353[19:28:11] <l3archos> petn-randall, petemc: I found it! it is /etc/dhcpcd.conf and there's a nice description about it here --> replaced-url
• 3354[19:28:25] <l3archos> however, thanks for getting back to me.
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• 3358[19:28:33] <greycat> eww, raspbian support here?
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• 3363[19:28:59] <l3archos> I mixed it up, thought it was Debian related, sri
• 3364[19:29:40] <fernie> afx_: seems that its using the gtk2 default "Raleigh" theme instead of Adwaita (as I suppose it should as you are speaking of gnome). Or the Adwaita is broken and it defaults to that
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• 3367[19:30:27] <afx_> fernie, Any way I can troubleshoot it ?
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• 3369[19:30:36] <petn-randall> l3archos: That is just another dhcp client ...
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• 3371[19:31:13] <greycat> It is, but it's not the default in Debian jessie.
• 3372[19:31:20] <afx_> fernie, should I reinstall the theme ?
• 3373[19:31:28] <teraflops> ToHellWithGA: yes
• 3374[19:31:50] <afx_> on the tweak tool there is Adwaita selected
• 3375[19:32:02] <fernie> afx_: well you could launch a gtk2 progam from commandline and see if it prints anything related
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• 3378[19:32:43] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: so you just need to make a script that sources the activate script in the venv, and then runs hangups. put that script on your path.
• 3379[19:32:48] <greycat> I still don't understand what afx's issue is. Does the program not work correctly? Is the new window appearance so ugly to him that he will do backflips to change it?
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• 3382[19:33:04] <petn-randall> ZorroT: Which release are you running?
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• 3384[19:33:30] <afx_> greycat, not at all ! just checking if something broke
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• 3386[19:33:56] <greycat> Stuff changes appearance all the time. Usually fonts. Sometimes more.
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• 3388[19:34:13] <ZorroT> release of which ?
• 3389[19:34:59] <afx_> fernie, no output when opening gui programs from command line
• 3390[19:35:07] <aba20> Hello. I'm having a problem with installing an i386 package with apt-get. The reason I'm doing this is because I'm using wine trying to play a game and it's giving me a "gstreamer installation is missing a plugin" error so I wanted to install the gstreamer0.10-plugins:i386 package but it depended on other packages which if I install will forcefully remove my other packages that I use, so how do I get around this?
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• 3392[19:35:14] <petn-randall> ZorroT: Your distro
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• 3394[19:35:20] <greycat> !tell aba20 about multiarch
• 3395[19:35:36] * petn-randall cries for dpkg.
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• 3397[19:35:39] <greycat> Crap, dpkg is gone.
• 3398[19:35:52] <greycat> aba20: replaced-url
• 3399[19:35:53] <petemc> ~test
• 3400[19:35:53] <apt> well, test is not funny
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• 3402[19:35:59] <ZorroT> debian 8
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• 3404[19:36:50] <aba20> greycat: Thanks for the link but where does it say how do I install an i386 program without breaking the amd64 equivalent?
• 3405[19:37:00] <greycat> You didn't read it that quickly.
• 3406[19:37:05] <aba20> Sorry
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• 3408[19:37:36] <JyZyXEL> udisksd[2159]: Error performing housekeeping for drive /org/freedesktop/UDisks2/drives/ST1000LM035_1RK172_W9320RGD: Error updating SMART data: sk_disk_check_sleep_mode: Operation not supported (udisks-error-quark, 0)'
• 3409[19:38:02] <JyZyXEL> udisksd is constantly trying to query a USB disk drive for SMART, causing it to USB Reset...
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• 3412[19:39:37] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: does the device exists? or there's somewhere a udev rule trying to do such thing?
• 3413[19:39:53] <JyZyXEL> what do you mean does it exist?
• 3414[19:40:09] <JyZyXEL> its plugged in and im transferring data on to it with rsync
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• 3416[19:40:33] <teraflops> is it plugged in right now?
• 3417[19:40:36] <teraflops> ah
• 3418[19:40:53] <JyZyXEL> yes, and udisksd keeps dropping it every 10 minutes by trying to query for SMART data
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• 3421[19:41:46] <petn-randall> ZorroT: What happens if you run 'modprobe tun' as root? Does /var/log/kern.log have any output?
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• 3423[19:42:30] <JyZyXEL> i don't understand how they could set this to be the default behaviour. aren't usb drives notoriously bad at SMART
• 3424[19:42:58] <JyZyXEL> and if it can cause the whole drive to drop like this, its insanity to have this as default behaviour
• 3425[19:42:59] <chucklebug> SMART is worthless. source: am former Seagate QA
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• 3431[19:43:26] <JyZyXEL> USB drives should be excluded from udisksd "SMART monitoring" or what ever it is it does with the data
• 3432[19:43:54] <jhamlin> Is this something I should be worried about: "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!... mysql-server-core-5.5 chromium spotify-client mysql-common libmysqlclient18". I know that the spotify thing means I'm running a "Frankendebian" so I don't expect help with that, but am wondering about the other things.
• 3433[19:44:38] <petn-randall> jhamlin: Yes, it means that you just pulled packages from somewhere and you can verify its origin, giving possible root access to whoever made those packages.
• 3434[19:44:52] <nkuttler> jhamlin: apt-cache policy <pkg>
• 3435[19:45:03] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: idk about udiskd. is it a daemon for automounting shit?
• 3436[19:45:23] <JyZyXEL> teraflops: KDE's automounter
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• 3438[19:45:39] <aba20> greycat: I read it
• 3439[19:45:45] <aba20> I still can't find what I need
• 3440[19:46:06] <greycat> You tell dpkg to add the i386 architecture. Then you install the libraries that you need to run the application.
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• 3442[19:46:17] <aba20> that's what I did though
• 3443[19:46:23] <aba20> beforehand
• 3444[19:46:26] <greycat> Of if the application is packaged in Debian, you just install it with apt-get.
• 3445[19:46:28] <JyZyXEL> i guess i could unmount it and remount it myself without the udisksd helper
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• 3447[19:47:05] <ToHellWithGA> is there a command to close the virtualenv as well? i ran 'source [blah] && hangups' but when i exit the program it's not all the way back out to the regular shell.
• 3448[19:47:07] <greycat> If the application is third-party, then you use ldd on it to see which libraries are still missing.
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• 3450[19:47:19] <nkuttler> ToHellWithGA: deactivate
• 3451[19:47:23] <aba20> what i'm saying is, when I try to apt-get install an i386 dependency for some gstreamer plugins I need to run a wine game for it says that specific packages are being removed but I need those packages
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• 3460[19:47:58] <greycat> *sigh*
• 3461[19:48:06] <ToHellWithGA> nkuttler: excellent! thanks a bunch you guys
• 3462[19:48:11] <petn-randall> jhamlin: Woops, *can't. You can't verify its origin.
• 3463[19:48:11] <greycat> ~exact
• 3464[19:48:25] <nkuttler> ToHellWithGA: fwiw, you can use the full path to your program, so you don't have to activate the venv to begin with
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• 3469[19:49:29] <jhamlin> petn-randall: that was my fear
• 3470[19:49:33] * greycat gives up. None of the bots like me today.
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• 3473[19:49:43] <jhamlin> nkuttler:
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• 3475[19:49:53] <jhamlin> replaced-url
• 3476[19:50:03] <aba20> the amd64 version doesnt seem to remove packages
• 3477[19:50:06] <aba20> when i try tinstalling
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• 3479[19:50:22] <greycat> At some point you have to say what command you typed and what output it produced.
• 3480[19:50:29] <nkuttler> jhamlin: sounds like you're missing the debian keyring
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• 3482[19:50:37] <greycat> Otherwise nobody knows what the problem is.
• 3483[19:50:51] <aba20> Ok I will paste it
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• 3485[19:51:41] <jhamlin> Does the dpkg bot not exist anymore or did I misremember its name?
• 3486[19:51:49] <greycat> It is temporarily dead.
• 3487[19:51:54] <nkuttler> jhamlin: use apt instead
• 3488[19:52:02] <nkuttler> apt might not behave exactly the same though
• 3489[19:52:06] <ZorroT> petn-randall: [1645689.997763] tun: Unknown symbol __sk_detach_filter (err 0)
• 3490[19:52:15] <ZorroT> that's the end of demessage
• 3491[19:52:18] <ZorroT> er dmesg
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• 3493[19:52:26] <jhamlin> lol times are a changin
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• 3498[19:52:58] <aba20> When I try installing gstreamer0.10-plugins:i386 with this exact command it gives me this output replaced-url
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• 3500[19:53:17] <petn-randall> ZorroT: Are you running a non-stock kernel?
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• 3502[19:53:27] <Shkrid> What purpose of "dpkg bot"?
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• 3506[19:53:49] <nkuttler> Shkrid: it's mostly an infobot
• 3507[19:53:54] <greycat> "Depends: perl:i386 but it is not going to be installed" -- WHY is perl:i386 not going to be installed?
• 3508[19:53:54] <petn-randall> Shkrid: It's a bot that can give the channel factoids, and you can also PM it and ask questions.
• 3509[19:54:10] <aba20> greycat: I'm not sure, that's the output it gave me
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• 3513[19:55:28] <JyZyXEL> i wonder if i should classify this bug as "important"
• 3514[19:55:32] <greycat> Your second link has a shitload of AV stuff in it. Did you touch debian-multimedia?
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• 3516[19:55:43] <JyZyXEL> because it does cause a USB reset on a mass storage device, which is kinda scary?
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• 3520[19:56:09] <nkuttler> JyZyXEL: sounds more like a hardware bug?
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• 3522[19:56:36] <aba20> greycat: I think so
• 3523[19:56:37] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: I'm pretty sure there's already a blacklist. Let the maintainer add your USB bridge to it.
• 3524[19:56:45] <aba20> I used it for ffmpeg I think
• 3525[19:56:52] <aba20> because it wasnt in the debian repositories
• 3526[19:56:52] <JyZyXEL> ok, ill just file a normal bug then
• 3527[19:56:55] <greycat> Debian-multimedia is all kinds of broken. That's probably the ultimate cause.
• 3528[19:57:06] <aba20> so what do I do?
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• 3530[19:57:20] <aba20> oh yeah, I have debian multimedia in my repos
• 3531[19:57:22] <nkuttler> ,v ffmpeg
• 3532[19:57:22] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-2+deb7u2; jessie-backports: 7:3.0.2-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.1.3-1+b3; sid: 7:3.1.3-1+b3; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.1.3-dmo3
• 3533[19:57:23] <greycat> Get rid of all the debian-multimedia packages and replace them with standard Debian versions.
• 3534[19:57:23] <aba20> should I remove?
• 3535[19:57:25] <nkuttler> it's there alright
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• 3538[19:57:55] <greycat> ... or, I guess, jessie-backports versions where needed
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• 3540[19:57:57] <aba20> so I guess all I need to do is change sources.list and update?
• 3541[19:58:02] <aba20> or do I need to remove ffmpeg as well
• 3542[19:58:47] <Devastator> hi, I have a VM made with kvm that sometimes crashes, giving random segmentation fault and other weird messages, sometimes a reboot is enough to get things running but not this time, is there a way to run fsck on it?
• 3543[19:58:56] <nkuttler> aba20: i'd remove dmm sources, aptitude update && aptitude remove ~o
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• 3545[19:59:14] <nkuttler> aba20: that will probably remove several packages, so keep track of what's removed
• 3546[19:59:19] <aba20> what does ~o do?
• 3547[19:59:25] <nkuttler> aba20: obsolete
• 3548[19:59:28] <aba20> ah
• 3549[19:59:42] <aba20> oh god
• 3550[19:59:50] <nkuttler> welcome to dmm
• 3551[19:59:57] <aba20> its removing a lot of packages, even the ones not related to debian multimedia
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• 3555[20:00:13] <nkuttler> aba20: ok, then you might want another approach
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• 3559[20:01:06] <aba20> what should I do then
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• 3561[20:01:18] <ZorroT> petn-randall: it's a stock deb install
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• 3563[20:01:26] <nkuttler> you can do a pattern search with aptitude for the source, but i don't recall the syntax
• 3564[20:02:09] <nkuttler> aba20: replaced-url
• 3565[20:02:27] <jhamlin> nkuttler: re-installing the debian-keyring package solved the problem. Thanks for the tip!
• 3566[20:02:55] <nkuttler> jhamlin: strange, but good i guess, unless you have to be afraid of a mitm attack
• 3567[20:03:17] <aba20> i'll try that
• 3568[20:03:20] <nkuttler> or were there updates to the signing keys recently?
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• 3571[20:04:21] <aba20> dpkg says
• 3572[20:04:25] <aba20> dpkg: error: --remove needs at least one package name argument
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• 3574[20:04:57] <jhamlin> nkuttler: I did visit china recently with laptop and left it on a plane before getting it back after a day lol. Fortunately full disk encryption...
• 3575[20:05:03] <nkuttler> aba20: output of aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p ?
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• 3577[20:05:18] <aba20> it outputs nothing
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• 3579[20:05:42] <nkuttler> aba20: hm, apt-cache policy <any dmm package you have installed>
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• 3582[20:06:12] <aba20> replaced-url
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• 3584[20:06:15] <aba20> that is the output
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• 3586[20:06:36] <nkuttler> aba20: dpkg -l ffmpeg ?
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• 3589[20:07:05] <jelly> that origin thing probably won't work when the repo is disabled already
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• 3592[20:07:38] <aba20> replaced-url
• 3593[20:08:00] <jhamlin> nkuttler: it looks like gnupg was updated on the Aug 18th, so maybe it has something to do with that.
• 3594[20:08:00] <aba20> I never had these problems when I had an i386 Debian installation
• 3595[20:08:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1717
• 3596[20:08:05] <nkuttler> aba20: if jelly is right you want to add dmm sources again temporarily
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• 3600[20:08:20] <aba20> alright
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• 3614[20:11:06] <aba20> I can't seem to remember what the source for DMM was
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• 3617[20:11:10] <aba20> nor can I find it
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• 3623[20:12:57] <aba20> nevermind, think I found it
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• 3627[20:14:10] <aba20> I reran that command
• 3628[20:14:20] <aba20> replaced-url
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• 3633[20:14:50] <aba20> so do i use dpkg to remove it now?
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• 3636[20:16:35] <aba20> nkuttler: It worked but, dpkg gives me this:
• 3637[20:16:36] <aba20> dpkg: error: --remove needs a valid package name but 'libaacplus2' is not: ambiguous package name 'libaacplus2' with more than one installed instance
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• 3640[20:18:25] <nkuttler> aba20: do you use multiarch?
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• 3642[20:18:58] <nkuttler> probably do.. you should specify the arch of the package
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• 3644[20:19:27] <aba20> nkuttler: yeah I do
• 3645[20:19:37] <aba20> how do I do that? im using the script on that factoid
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• 3647[20:19:57] <nkuttler> yeah... the man page point to the aptitude reference..
• 3648[20:20:07] <nkuttler> so, check there i guess, for the -F option
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• 3653[20:20:53] <nkuttler> aba20: or just edit the list by hand i guess
• 3654[20:21:05] <aba20> cant I remove these programs one by one
• 3655[20:21:11] <nkuttler> aba20: sure
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• 3657[20:21:31] <nkuttler> aba20: the bot line prevents your previous problem though, removing all dependencies
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• 3659[20:22:17] <aba20> im just confused with this -F switch
• 3660[20:22:37] <nkuttler> it just changes the default output and gives you something you can feed to dpkg
• 3661[20:23:05] <nkuttler> aba20: e.g. aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))'
• 3662[20:23:14] <aba20> yeah but there is already an -F option there
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• 3664[20:23:27] <aba20> im not sure how I could fix this error, sorry for being confused. never had this problem before
• 3665[20:23:51] <nkuttler> aba20: pretty sure you can do -F%p%a or whatever outputs arch
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• 3669[20:24:26] <aba20> yeah
• 3670[20:24:30] <nkuttler> actually, %p outputs arch for me
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• 3672[20:24:49] <aba20> that does the same for me
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• 3674[20:24:54] <aba20> it still give sme that eror in dpkg thjough
• 3675[20:24:55] <nkuttler> aba20: so, dunno. remove the package by hand i guess
• 3676[20:24:57] <aba20> error* though*
• 3677[20:25:00] <aba20> alright
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• 3689[20:28:56] <aba20> nkuttler: removing libaacplus removes all my other audio related packages
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• 3695[20:29:53] <nkuttler> aba20: try just to dpkg --remove --force-depends libaacplus, and if it complains again about multiple packages give it an arch
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• 3699[20:30:45] <aba20> that worked
• 3700[20:30:57] <nkuttler> aba20: and then apt-get -f install
• 3701[20:31:03] <nkuttler> then try the entire command from the bot again
• 3702[20:31:13] <aba20> but it will install from multimedia wont it?
• 3703[20:31:16] <aba20> since i still have that added
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• 3705[20:31:27] <nkuttler> aba20: good question, no idea. apt-cache policy
• 3706[20:31:40] <aba20> wait
• 3707[20:31:44] <aba20> should I remove all others
• 3708[20:31:53] <nkuttler> yeah, you can try that
• 3709[20:31:54] <aba20> and then remove the repo and update and fix dependencies
• 3710[20:31:56] <aba20> alright
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• 3712[20:32:20] <aba20> libavcodec56 has a lot of dependencies
• 3713[20:32:23] <aba20> i mean
• 3714[20:32:27] <aba20> it has a lot of programs that sue it
• 3715[20:32:28] <aba20> use
• 3716[20:32:32] <aba20> hope this wont break too much
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• 3719[20:33:25] <nkuttler> ,v libavcodec56
• 3720[20:33:26] <judd> Package: libavcodec56 on amd64 -- jessie: 6:11.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 6:11.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1
• 3721[20:33:40] <nkuttler> you'll just instal the debian version again
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• 3724[20:33:44] <aba20> yeah
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• 3728[20:35:50] <aba20> dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove libavresample2:i386, only the config files of which are on the system; use --purge to remove them too
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• 3732[20:36:24] <aba20> what does this mean
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• 3737[20:37:17] <aba20> nkuttler: will removing this break my system or something?
• 3738[20:37:36] <nkuttler> aba20: sounds like that package was already removed
• 3739[20:37:48] <aba20> ah
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• 3741[20:38:18] <nkuttler> you might have a different version of it installed, for another arch
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• 3744[20:38:34] <nkuttler> oh, never mind, different package
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• 3748[20:39:03] <aba20> yeah
• 3749[20:39:15] <aba20> i'm currently just removing the amd64 ones that seems to be working
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• 3751[20:40:31] <aba20> ok
• 3752[20:40:38] <aba20> seems like I removed all the multimedia stuff from my systems
• 3753[20:40:46] <aba20> gonna update repo and apt-get update and install -f
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• 3757[20:41:42] <aba20> there we go
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• 3759[20:42:47] <aba20> nkuttler: that didnt seem to fix the root problem unfortunately
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• 3769[20:45:28] <aba20> it's still trying to remove some packages that I need
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• 3775[20:50:59] <aba20> now I dont know what to do
• 3776[20:51:26] <ToHellWithGA> nkuttler: /wc
• 3777[20:51:31] <ToHellWithGA> lol
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• 3779[20:52:05] <ToHellWithGA> nkuttler: do i need to do anything special with that virtualenv i created to, for example, update the package downloaded from pip?
• 3780[20:52:45] <ToHellWithGA> would i just source/activate before running pip again?
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• 3798[21:02:41] <nkuttler> aba20: ah well, let it remove some packages and install them again later?
• 3799[21:03:13] <aba20> nkuttler: It's just kind of weird
• 3800[21:03:15] <aba20> why is it removing it
• 3801[21:03:24] <nkuttler> ToHellWithGA: it's up to you how you keep your venv up to data. you can use the full path to pip if you like to avoid activating the venv
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• 3803[21:03:38] <nkuttler> ToHellWithGA: if you run some kind of service, i like pip-tools for maintenance
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• 3809[21:06:33] <aba20> nkuttler: if its making me remove those packages
• 3810[21:06:42] <aba20> then whta are the odds ill be able to reinstall them?
• 3811[21:06:48] <aba20> considering they're being removed for some reason
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• 3817[21:08:37] <nkuttler> aba20: please paste the command + output you get
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• 3820[21:09:14] <aba20> nkuttler: replaced-url
• 3821[21:09:30] <aba20> this is package is needed by gsteamer0.10-plugins
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• 3823[21:09:39] <aba20> gives me "wasnt installed" error
• 3824[21:09:44] <aba20> so I try installing it manually and this is what happens
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• 3826[21:09:55] <nkuttler> aba20: you did already remove the dmm sources?
• 3827[21:10:12] <aba20> yep
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• 3832[21:10:49] <nkuttler> aba20: apt-cache policy blender quodlibet vlc libcdio13
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• 3838[21:12:32] <aba20> nkuttler: replaced-url
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• 3845[21:14:06] <nkuttler> ,v libcdio13
• 3846[21:14:07] <judd> Package: libcdio13 on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.83-4; jessie: 0.83-4.2; sid: 0.83-4.2+b1; stretch: 0.83-4.2+b1
• 3847[21:14:20] <nkuttler> aba20: that's kinda odd, i don't really understand what's going on.
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• 3849[21:14:40] <aba20> same here
• 3850[21:14:40] <nkuttler> aba20: i'd just let dpkg remove those packages and install them again later. sometimes packages in stable conflict with each other
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• 3854[21:14:51] <aba20> hmm
• 3855[21:14:52] <aba20> alright
• 3856[21:15:04] <nkuttler> aba20: or try using aptitude, it might resolve the conflicts in a better way
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• 3858[21:15:46] <aba20> nkuttler: now it wont let me install mpd
• 3859[21:15:51] <aba20> or any other programs i just removed
• 3860[21:16:00] <aba20> because it removes that package
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• 3862[21:16:06] <nkuttler> aba20: use aptitude
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• 3864[21:16:13] <nkuttler> but yeah, that package might just conflict with the rest
• 3865[21:16:33] <aba20> libcdio13 : Conflicts: libcdio13:i386 but 0.83-4.2 is installed.
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• 3868[21:16:44] <aba20> its still asking to remove
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• 3870[21:17:16] <aba20> nkuttler: I have no idea what's going on
• 3871[21:17:22] <nkuttler> aba20: are you on a 64bit system? why do you need 32bit libcdio13 ?
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• 3873[21:17:36] <nkuttler> just guessing it's related to the arch
• 3874[21:17:38] <aba20> nkuttler: trying to run a wine game
• 3875[21:17:41] <aba20> its a 32-bit game
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• 3877[21:17:45] <nkuttler> ah
• 3878[21:17:51] <aba20> and I need gstreamer or else it crashes
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• 3881[21:18:24] <aba20> so not sure
• 3882[21:18:35] <greycat> I do not see any conflicts: on libcdio13 in jessie, neither on amd64 nor i386.
• 3883[21:18:45] <nkuttler> well, something is going on
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• 3885[21:18:57] <greycat> Maybe aba20 still has a few DMM packages?
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• 3887[21:19:08] <aba20> i uninstalled all of them i think
• 3888[21:19:09] <nkuttler> could be i guess
• 3889[21:19:11] <aba20> im pretty sure
• 3890[21:19:37] <nkuttler> try aptitdue remove ~o again
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• 3892[21:20:19] <aba20> its asking to remove some unrelated packages
• 3893[21:20:26] <aba20> I need only one from it
• 3894[21:20:30] <nkuttler> apt-cache policy those
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• 3896[21:21:02] <aba20> here is some of them
• 3897[21:21:03] <aba20> replaced-url
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• 3899[21:21:11] <aba20> ill try to apt cache policy all
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• 3901[21:22:15] <nkuttler> well, deb-multimedia-keyring looks like dmm
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• 3906[21:24:20] <aba20> seems like it
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• 3909[21:25:51] <nkuttler> aba20: fwiw, it's possible that the factoid is outdated
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• 3911[21:25:58] <nkuttler> or inaccurate
• 3912[21:27:15] <aba20> maybe, here is all the apt cache policy info for the programs though
• 3913[21:27:16] <aba20> replaced-url
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• 3921[21:31:00] <nkuttler> aba20: frankly, i'd start by removing ~o and fix things from there. looks like you had more than just dmm sources?
• 3922[21:31:28] <nkuttler> Installed: 201607080929~git-master~ubuntu14.04.1 and mpdas etc
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• 3930[21:34:14] <aba20> probably
• 3931[21:34:15] <aba20> ill try
• 3932[21:34:19] <aba20> but I use mpdas for mpd
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• 3935[21:35:31] <aba20> now what?
• 3936[21:35:44] <nkuttler> well. if you have non-debian packages installed anything can happen
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• 3938[21:36:07] <nkuttler> generally speaking it's often better to compile from sources than to install non-debian packages
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• 3940[21:36:30] <aba20> didnt realise that
• 3941[21:36:37] <aba20> will compile from source from now on if i can
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• 3943[21:36:51] <nkuttler> external packages can break debian packaging, source installs can't
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• 3946[21:37:15] <aba20> so now what do i do?
• 3947[21:37:21] <aba20> i have removed all those programs
• 3948[21:37:26] <logithack1337> does anybody know how i can access my android device from debian?
• 3949[21:37:36] <nkuttler> aba20: what were you doing before that?
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• 3951[21:37:42] <nkuttler> logithack1337: install an sshd?
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• 3953[21:37:44] <aba20> ah
• 3954[21:37:52] <aba20> it still tries to remove those packages i need though
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• 3956[21:37:55] <aba20> conflicts
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• 3958[21:38:05] <nkuttler> aba20: paste command + error
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• 3960[21:38:20] <logithack1337> nkuttler: you mean the app for android?
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• 3962[21:38:40] <nkuttler> logithack1337: yeah
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• 3964[21:39:12] <aba20> nkuttler: replaced-url
• 3965[21:39:56] <nkuttler> aba20: apt-cache policy all of those
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• 3967[21:40:48] <aba20> nkuttler: replaced-url
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• 3970[21:42:04] <nkuttler> aba20: yeah, i get the same here. looks like the i386 package conflicts
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• 3973[21:42:19] <aba20> so what can I do about it?
• 3974[21:42:23] <nkuttler> aba20: no idea
• 3975[21:42:41] <aba20> I have even worse conflicts when trying to install the second dependency
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• 3979[21:43:58] <nkuttler> aba20: fwiw, you might want to report a bug against libcdio13. seems odd that installing the i386 variety would remove so much stuff
• 3980[21:44:07] <nkuttler> but then, i don't really know much about multiarch
• 3981[21:44:13] <aba20> where can I report bugs?
• 3982[21:44:19] <nkuttler> ~reportbug
• 3983[21:44:19] <apt> [reportbug] use used to submit bugs to the Debian bug system. really simple to use, apt-get install reportbug, then run reportbug and answer the questions. It will file automagically if you're on-line. note: always check the list that reportbug gives you to see if the bug is already known
• 3984[21:44:20] <rypervenche> What creates /etc/motd and how can I recreate the default one?
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• 3986[21:44:24] <zophyx> if i burn a file to a dvd using windows as 'like a usb drive...', how can i mount or read that file with linux ?
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• 3988[21:44:50] <nkuttler> rypervenche: man 5 motd?
• 3989[21:45:50] <rypervenche> nkuttler: Ahh, there it is. Thanks.
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• 3991[21:46:05] <nkuttler> rypervenche: not sure though about the default file, i overwrite than anyway
• 3992[21:46:11] <aba20> apparently libcdio13:i386 isnt a valid package name
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• 3994[21:46:31] <aba20> or do i just use wthout the i386?
• 3995[21:46:36] <nkuttler> aba20: right
• 3996[21:46:41] <aba20> alright
• 3997[21:46:56] <aba20> Your version (0.83-4.2) of libcdio13 appears to be out of date
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• 3999[21:46:58] <aba20> could this be why?
• 4000[21:47:12] <nkuttler> ,v libcdio13
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• 4003[21:47:13] <judd> Package: libcdio13 on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.83-4; jessie: 0.83-4.2; sid: 0.83-4.2+b1; stretch: 0.83-4.2+b1
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• 4005[21:47:23] <aba20> ah
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• 4008[21:48:06] <nkuttler> aba20: looks up to date to me, unless you're mixing releases as well
• 4009[21:48:08] <aba20> seems like a bug is already reported
• 4010[21:48:12] <aba20> 6) #777222 libcdio13 is not Multi-Arch compatible
• 4011[21:48:13] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 4012[21:48:15] <nkuttler> great!
• 4013[21:48:27] <aba20> "last modified: 2015"
• 4014[21:48:31] <nkuttler> \o/
• 4015[21:48:47] <nkuttler> patch available though
• 4016[21:48:48] <aba20> seems like it wont be fixed anytime soon
• 4017[21:48:50] <aba20> really?
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• 4019[21:49:15] <nkuttler> feel free to pester the dev i guess
• 4020[21:49:16] <rypervenche> nkuttler: ah yeah, that doesn't answer that question. Hmmm.
• 4021[21:49:56] <nkuttler> rypervenche: i'd guess it's a postinst action of one of login(1), issue(5), pam_motd(8)
• 4022[21:50:12] <aba20> nkuttler: that will take a long time
• 4023[21:50:14] <nkuttler> i don't actually have any debian system with the stock motd file
• 4024[21:50:20] <nkuttler> aba20: sure
• 4025[21:50:24] <aba20> I didnt have this problem on my 32 bit system since I didnt need to use multi arch
• 4026[21:50:39] <nkuttler> aba20: well, wine kinda sucks anyway..
• 4027[21:50:48] <aba20> yeah I cant do much about it I guess
• 4028[21:51:00] <nkuttler> aba20: you could install a i386 system :|
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• 4030[21:51:09] <nkuttler> or the i386 versions of the packages you want i guess
• 4031[21:51:17] <aba20> yeah
• 4032[21:51:21] <nkuttler> but adding more multiarch packages sounds like a bad idea tbh
• 4033[21:51:21] <aba20> i could do that
• 4034[21:51:36] <aba20> yeah, so im not sure what to do besides installing an i386 system
• 4035[21:51:40] <nkuttler> i always find it miraculous that steam works..
• 4036[21:52:31] <nkuttler> aba20: not sure, but can you install a i386 vm on an amd64 host?
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• 4039[21:53:04] <aba20> I could but the game wouldn't run great
• 4040[21:53:14] <nkuttler> ah right. oh well
• 4041[21:53:17] <aba20> would be quite choppy
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• 4044[21:53:39] <rypervenche> nkuttler: Cool, thanks. I see where it's not being updated.
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• 4050[21:55:18] <logithack1337> nkuttler: i've just connected to my android device via ssh using the terminal. how can i copy files to or from my device now?
• 4051[21:55:34] <nkuttler> logithack1337: scp? what are you trying to do anyway?
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• 4053[21:55:59] <logithack1337> nkuttler: all i'm trying to do is copy a file over to my smartphone. i've never tried to access it from a linux machine.
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• 4055[21:56:16] <nkuttler> logithack1337: if you have access to the file through the filesystem scp should work
• 4056[21:56:26] <rypervenche> logithack1337: scp, sftp, or rsync will work.
• 4057[21:56:27] <nkuttler> but android doesn't expose the entire filesystem by default afaik
• 4058[21:56:38] <teraflops> scp. i find easier using an android client
• 4059[21:56:49] <rypervenche> It depends on the SSH server he has set up.
• 4060[21:57:10] <nkuttler> i think you need to root the device for access to /?
• 4061[21:57:25] <nkuttler> anyway, #android might be a better place to ask
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• 4063[21:57:43] <logithack1337> nkuttler: i tried "scp track.mp3 root@192.168.2.101:/sdcard/Music" and it said it cant connect to port 22
• 4064[21:57:50] <teraflops> itt does not matter you don't even need ssh server on the Android device
• 4065[21:58:05] <logithack1337> nkuttler: whilst doing that i'd navigated to the folder track.mp3 is located at
• 4066[21:58:06] <nkuttler> logithack1337: which command did you use to ssh? simply port 22?
• 4067[21:58:25] <aba20> logithack1337: you are trying to copy a file to an sdcard on your android phone?
• 4068[21:58:28] <aba20> adb can do that
• 4069[21:58:29] <logithack1337> no, sshdroid suggests root@192.168.2.101:2222, so i used "ssh root@192.168.2.101 -p 2222"
• 4070[21:58:33] <logithack1337> nkuttler: ^
• 4071[21:58:40] <logithack1337> aba20: yes
• 4072[21:58:45] <aba20> you can use adb push iirc
• 4073[21:59:00] <nkuttler> logithack1337: for scp, specify the port as well. or do what aba20 suggests
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• 4075[21:59:08] <hop> "mutt security update" -> "We recommend that you upgrade your wireshark packages."?
• 4076[21:59:11] <hop> derp
• 4077[21:59:11] <Storfiskaren> logithack1337: Then you need to scp to that port as well (-P2222)
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• 4079[21:59:55] <teraflops> logithack1337: install turbo client from google play....
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• 4081[22:00:12] * nkuttler loves how port is -p or -P depending on which openssh-client tool you use
• 4082[22:00:57] <logithack1337> Storfiskaren: scp track.mp3 -P 2222 root@192.168.2.101:/sdcard/Music <-- like that? cos its giving me an error for that
• 4083[22:01:00] <greycat> Yeah, it's awkward.
• 4084[22:01:30] <logithack1337> it keeps trying to connect to port 22 and says connection refused
• 4085[22:01:31] <aba20> greycat: seems like the libcdio13 conflict is an already reported bug and the developer hasn't responded for a year
• 4086[22:01:39] <greycat> logithack1337: options (like -P 2222) should appear before non-option arguments (like filenames such as track.mp3)
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• 4089[22:02:31] <Storfiskaren> logithack1337: you could use adb as well
• 4090[22:02:56] <Storfiskaren> logithack1337: The real problem with android is that it does not allow you to set time stamps without a rooted device
• 4091[22:03:00] <rypervenche> nkuttler: Oh, it's the file /usr/share/base-files/motd . Nice
• 4092[22:03:25] <logithack1337> Storfiskaren: i've got it to work with "scp -P 2222 track.mp3 root@192.168.2.101:/scard/Music", thanks!
• 4093[22:03:36] <logithack1337> Storfiskaren: however, what is adb about? never heard of it.
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• 4096[22:04:02] <Storfiskaren> logithack1337: it connects using the android debugger
• 4097[22:04:17] <Storfiskaren> it is a package available in debian.
• 4098[22:04:42] <tom99> we need a debian bot in here
• 4099[22:04:48] <tom99> to answer questions like logithack1337's
• 4100[22:04:50] <nkuttler> tom99: we have apt
• 4101[22:04:56] <nkuttler> dondelelcaro: ping. dpkg ?
• 4102[22:04:57] <graytron> greycat: how many people have you helped in total?
• 4103[22:05:08] <tom99> apt, can you GET the definition of adb?
• 4104[22:05:12] <greycat> I don't count such things.
• 4105[22:05:12] <tom99> apt: can you GET the definition of adb?
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• 4107[22:05:23] <greycat> apt, adb
• 4108[22:05:33] <greycat> judd, i adb
• 4109[22:05:34] <judd> No package named 'adb' was found in jessie/amd64.
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• 4111[22:05:55] <graytron> greycat: thousands anyway
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• 4114[22:06:20] <nkuttler> graytron: he already helped me before i knew how to do... anything. +10 years ago
• 4115[22:06:25] <greycat> judd, file bin/adb
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• 4117[22:06:28] <logithack1337> tom99: whats the point in this irc chat if ppl are no longer to ask questions, even if theyre too "noob" as it seems
• 4118[22:06:28] <judd> Search for bin/adb in jessie/amd64: android-tools-adb: usr/bin/adb
• 4119[22:06:44] <logithack1337> Storfiskaren: i've come across guides which show you how to connect to the device using nautilus under ubuntu. the debian file manager doesnt seem to provide a feature like that, or am i wrong?
• 4120[22:06:50] <graytron> nkuttler: i bet.. me too :)
• 4121[22:07:01] <logithack1337> no longer allowed* to ask questions
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• 4123[22:07:03] <tom99> logithack1337, questions like "what is x" are probably better answered by google or a bot it seems to me
• 4124[22:07:20] <greycat> Our primary bot is not working at the moment.
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• 4127[22:07:54] <Storfiskaren> logithack1337: You can also expose your device as a mtp, and jmtps to mount it like an ordinary file system.
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• 4130[22:08:18] <rainfyre> logithack1337: do you have the android-adb package?
• 4131[22:08:32] <logithack1337> rainfyre: no, i dont. i've just heard of it for the first time.
• 4132[22:08:40] <greycat> I think you mean android-tools-adb
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• 4137[22:09:28] <greycat> Also, "adb" like most TLAs is ambiguous. There are other things called adb besides this Android tool.
• 4138[22:09:29] <rainfyre> greycat: yes!
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• 4142[22:09:51] <greycat> replaced-url
• 4143[22:09:53] <Storfiskaren> greycat: thanks, I was just looking for what the package was called
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• 4145[22:10:09] <rainfyre> logithack1337: that's the way I do it. you can 'adb push' and 'adb pull' files to and from your phone
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• 4147[22:10:31] <rainfyre> logithack1337: and adb shell is so much easier than messing with the terminal app on the phone
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• 4149[22:10:53] <teraflops> you don't need a ssh server on the Android device for doing scp. just use sftp client
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• 4151[22:11:35] <teraflops> a sftp client *
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• 4157[22:13:28] <teraflops> why adb shell instead mtp and a file browser?
• 4158[22:13:34] * teraflops shrugs
• 4159[22:13:52] <teraflops> unless you want adb over wireless
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• 4163[22:15:22] <croddy> i used to use an ADB keyboard connected via USB adapter on debian. worked great
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• 4167[22:17:02] <rainfyre> many ways to accomplish the same task in nix
• 4168[22:17:03] <teraflops> no usb OTG no fun
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• 4178[22:20:54] <logithack1337> i've connected to it using an ftp client, which is the easiest way for now it seems. thanks teraflops!
• 4179[22:21:22] <teraflops> logithack1337: there are sftp clients too
• 4180[22:21:28] <logithack1337> i used bareftp
• 4181[22:21:31] <logithack1337> teraflops: ^
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• 4183[22:21:49] <teraflops> logithack1337: turbo client is a good one
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• 4185[22:22:25] <teraflops> and you do all stuff from the Android device
• 4186[22:22:51] <teraflops> copy from/to
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• 4188[22:23:14] <logithack1337> teraflops: you mean turbo client is an app for android?
• 4189[22:23:19] <teraflops> yep
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• 4192[22:23:49] <logithack1337> teraflops: how would you copy something from your android device to your laptop then using turbo client
• 4193[22:24:18] <teraflops> because you have ssh server on the other side
• 4194[22:24:19] <logithack1337> teraflops: does it show the folder structure of your laptop on your android device then?
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• 4196[22:24:31] <logithack1337> so my laptop needs to run an ssh server then?
• 4197[22:24:38] <teraflops> yeah local/remote tabs
• 4198[22:24:47] <teraflops> logithack1337: yes
• 4199[22:25:00] <teraflops> not the android device
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• 4201[22:25:24] <logithack1337> teraflops: well, i've just done it the other way round. i've run an ssh on my android device using sshdroid and connected to it using bareftp from my laptop
• 4202[22:25:31] <teraflops> way easier imo. less headaches
• 4203[22:25:50] <teraflops> logithack1337: yeah.vweird
• 4204[22:25:52] <logithack1337> teraflops: but your approach probably makes more sense as a laptop is better suited for running an ssh server than a smartphone
• 4205[22:25:55] <teraflops> weird
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• 4211[22:28:47] <AciD`> why is that every time I try to install Debian via a usb key, it just utterly fails at the 'detect and mount CD' step, where clearly there are no such cd, it's a live usb key!
• 4212[22:28:51] <AciD`> >_<
• 4213[22:29:17] <greycat> Because you're probably trying to use a "live" image to install on a UEFI box.
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• 4218[22:29:58] <AciD`> greycat > and can't debian iso detect that? I mean, other distro I have tried do not have that problem
• 4219[22:30:08] <AciD`> in the mean time, how can I fix that?
• 4220[22:30:12] <greycat> The live images DO NOT support uefi installation at this time.
• 4221[22:30:25] <greycat> In the meantime, you use an installer image (netinst) instead of a live image.
• 4222[22:30:30] <AciD`> as well as the net install then?
• 4223[22:30:56] <AciD`> I'll try again with the net install, but iirc last time I tried, I got the same no cd error
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• 4227[22:32:33] <AciD`> I must miss something, Debian live can starts without problem on uefi, but cannot install itself? As a user, that's very, very unfriendly and not logical
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• 4229[22:33:19] <teraflops> as user a real installation iso makes more sense to me
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• 4235[22:34:07] <greycat> If dpkg were here I might ask it where the debian live developers hang out.
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• 4237[22:34:22] <greycat> maybe there's a debian-live channel on OFTC or something
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• 4239[22:35:06] <AciD`> as a user, when given the choice of a netinstall where you'll have a very small resolution and cumbersome ui to install your system, I usually profer first booting in a live system, then from there do the installation. That way if you have a problem you can easily browse the web for anwsers
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• 4241[22:35:47] <teraflops> fair enough. ro
• 4242[22:35:48] <greycat> "resolution"? "ui"? what are these things and what do they have to do with installation
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• 4244[22:36:06] <AciD`> you forgot 'user' greycat, not 'debian devs'
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• 4247[22:36:46] * greycat is not a debian dev
• 4248[22:37:00] <teraflops> to be fair i think deboostrap is better. thankfully there are many options
• 4249[22:37:12] <AciD`> too bad, the live usb environment is pretty, and now I'll have to dl a 550Mio iso to then dl again 1.3Gio of update I already have dled with that debian live kde flavor iso :x
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• 4251[22:37:16] <AciD`> effective.
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• 4253[22:37:29] <AciD`> deboostrap is horrible :(
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• 4255[22:37:48] <teraflops> for you
• 4256[22:37:52] <teraflops> not for me
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• 4258[22:38:08] <AciD`> I just installed a debian system on a root zfs partition, and there is _no way_ to set the locale right :(
• 4259[22:38:14] <AciD`> anyway
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• 4261[22:38:23] <AciD`> back to downloading..
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• 4266[22:39:14] <sl4v3> AciD`: 500mb. like... that used to be a big number. are you on the moon?
• 4267[22:39:28] <sl4v3> AciD`: just curious...
• 4268[22:40:23] <greycat> It's still a fairly substantial download.
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• 4270[22:40:38] <teraflops> AciD`: I like deboostrap beacuse you can setup debian in ways the official installer does not support
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• 4272[22:40:53] <AciD`> sl4v3 > it happens that there are people that have accuentated chars in their language, and live pretty far away with very slow connection, yes :(
• 4273[22:40:54] <greycat> That said, the netinst images are "up to 300 MB" according to replaced-url
• 4274[22:40:55] <sl4v3> greycat: no doubt. but still. maybe 10 minutes?
• 4275[22:40:56] <teraflops> like e.g btrfs subvolumes
• 4276[22:41:23] <sl4v3> AciD`: i don't even have internet at home, so i shouldn't be talking. but the fibre at work is pretty fast. :P
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• 4278[22:41:56] <AciD`> what's the root password for live image?
• 4279[22:42:13] <greycat> ... dpkg knew it.
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• 4281[22:42:20] <teraflops> ^
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• 4283[22:42:55] <AciD`> I gues I'll just sudo passwd it
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• 4286[22:43:08] <nkuttler> replaced-url
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• 4291[22:44:04] <AciD`> also, it's not just the size problem, it's also the packages chosen for the live image
• 4292[22:44:39] <AciD`> as I said, I recently had a quite bad experience with debootstrap, and wanted to install the kde flavor
• 4293[22:44:53] <AciD`> is there any meta package for that ?
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• 4296[22:45:43] <nkuttler> to install kde?
• 4297[22:45:50] <teraflops> theres a tasksel or whatever it is called for installing the DE of your choice in the installer iirc
• 4298[22:45:51] <greycat> ,i kde
• 4299[22:45:52] <judd> No package named 'kde' was found in jessie/amd64.
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• 4301[22:46:04] <tom99> i guess that's why I don't have kde on my wheezy box then
• 4302[22:46:06] <nkuttler> replaced-url
• 4303[22:46:08] * greycat stops trying
• 4304[22:46:22] <Khudher> anybody uses Mate desktop here on debian?
• 4305[22:46:40] <greycat> Khudher: ask your actual question. Don't take a poll.
• 4306[22:46:41] <nkuttler> Khudher: just ask your real question
• 4307[22:47:33] <Khudher> can i use 2 desktop environments on the same OS?
• 4308[22:47:35] <tom99> Idk, it does kind of piss me off that I download a 4GB iso file of debian and install it, only to find i have to download basic things like emacs
• 4309[22:47:43] <Khudher> i use XFCE4 and i'm willing to try Mate
• 4310[22:47:46] <nkuttler> Khudher: certainly
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• 4312[22:48:16] <Mister_X> hello guys
• 4313[22:48:27] <Khudher> nkuttler, thank you!
• 4314[22:48:31] <Mister_X> I'm trying to debug openvpn exiting upon service start up
• 4315[22:48:48] <Mister_X> no log other than OpenVPN started in syslog (but no process present)
• 4316[22:48:53] <greycat> Why would you download a 4 GB ISO file? Ever?
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• 4318[22:49:58] <Mister_X> I can start it manually just fine in a terminal: openvpn /etc/openvpn/client.conf
• 4319[22:50:25] <Mister_X> any pointers on where I can look to see what's wrong
• 4320[22:50:41] <Mister_X> I already tried asking in #openvpn and one guy redirected me here
• 4321[22:50:47] <teraflops> heh
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• 4325[22:53:55] <teraflops> Mister_X: start by systemctl status openvpn@server.service
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• 4327[22:55:34] <teraflops> Mister_X: also journalctl -u openvpn@server.service
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• 4329[22:55:46] <teraflops> -f for tail mode
• 4330[22:55:53] <teraflops> -u -f ^
• 4331[22:56:15] <Mister_X> first command says inactive (dead)
• 4332[22:56:28] <sl4v3> Khudher: you're already ahead of the curve with xfce.
• 4333[22:56:31] <Mister_X> second one has just one line: -- Logs begin at
• 4334[22:56:37] <teraflops> Mister_X: how do you start it then? you said it failed to start
• 4335[22:57:04] <AciD`> ok my bad, using the live usb key and choosing 'install' from the start menu fails miserably with the detect cd step, BUT, if you just launch the live environment, then from there you can search 'install' in the kde menu and install debian without problem!
• 4336[22:57:05] <sl4v3> Khudher: i spent some time checking out Mate, and i was like, the fuck. so... try it if you like, but whether anyone here uses it or not is inconsequential. or rather, some dumbass in here is using it, and that's ok too.
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• 4338[22:57:15] <hanshenrik> i did a *very* lightweight installation of lxde doing "apt-get install lightdm; apt-get install lxde-core --no-install-recommends;", any idea how i get the Trash icon to work? some programs can move folders to Trash (like Baobab), but i dont have the trash icon, it seems to be ~/.local/share/trash though
• 4339[22:57:27] <teraflops> Mister_X: perhaps you didn't enable it?
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• 4344[22:59:05] <Mister_X> <teraflops> Mister_X: how do you start it then? you said it failed to start -- well, service openvpn start is successful but it exits immediately
• 4345[22:59:15] <teraflops> Mister_X: share the logs
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• 4349[23:00:44] <teraflops> Mister_X: there's a /etc/openvpn/openvpn-status.log too
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• 4353[23:01:00] <Khudher> sl4v3, xfce is really customizable
• 4354[23:01:11] <Mister_X> teraflops, that file doesn't exist
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• 4357[23:01:16] <Mister_X> I got it working with systemctl start openvpn@client
• 4358[23:01:31] <Mister_X> I have no idea why service fails
• 4359[23:01:44] <Mister_X> as I said, there are no logs
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• 4361[23:02:44] <teraflops> Mister_X: sudo journalctl -u openvpn@server.service -f then in another terminal sudo systemctl restart openvpn@server.service
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• 4363[23:03:14] <teraflops> also… replaced-url
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• 4367[23:04:27] <teraflops> I did't edit that file though ^
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• 4370[23:05:32] <sl4v3> Khudher: xfce is the tits, as far as i'm concerned.
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• 4372[23:05:36] <teraflops> Mister_X: wait youre tring to start the client or the server?
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• 4374[23:05:52] <sl4v3> Khudher: using mate was like... stepping out of a time machine.
• 4375[23:05:58] <sl4v3> it was awful.
• 4376[23:06:03] <Khudher> what about KDE?
• 4377[23:06:10] <sl4v3> Khudher: ugly. slow. bloated.
• 4378[23:06:12] <Mister_X> teraflops, I don't think it matters, client or server is defined in the conf file
• 4379[23:06:20] <Mister_X> but it's a client I'm trying to start
• 4380[23:06:25] <teraflops> oh
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• 4382[23:06:32] <Khudher> sl4v3, hmm, so it wasn't only me who thought that KDE was slow
• 4383[23:06:34] <sl4v3> Khudher: xfce.
• 4384[23:06:35] <x_> hey, speaking of xfce4 - i've been having trouble with xfce4's power-manager, it silently went awol about a month ago. been researching the cause of its disappearance from my systray for a while and the only lead i have so far is either some dependency broke with glib2 updates or there's some other problem with environment variables and Openbox
• 4385[23:07:01] <Mister_X> "systemctl start openvpn@client" --- that started it just fine
• 4386[23:07:11] <x_> any ideas? every config file seems to be in order
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• 4390[23:07:36] <teraflops> meh
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• 4394[23:08:01] <teraflops> Mister_X: no, you want systemctl start openvpn@client.service
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• 4396[23:08:32] <Mister_X> why?
• 4397[23:08:54] <teraflops> Mister_X: and journalctl -u openvpn@client.service
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• 4399[23:08:59] <greycat> it'll add the .service if it's missing, in my experience
• 4400[23:09:14] <greycat> I'm not really sure how much abbreviation you can get away with.
• 4401[23:09:24] <teraflops> sorry I'm watching my city derby match :P i was distracted
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• 4405[23:10:17] <Mister_X> teraflops, journalctl is just that same one line
• 4406[23:10:25] <Mister_X> Log begins
• 4407[23:10:25] <teraflops> Mister_X: I see a bunch of output with journalctl -u openvpn@client.service when starting the client unit
• 4408[23:10:36] <hanshenrik> initially i thought it'd be overkill to install a whole new system with a normal lxde just to see how the trash icon was made, now im not so sure x.x
• 4409[23:10:37] <Mister_X> but it is started
• 4410[23:10:52] <teraflops> Mister_X: debian jessie?
• 4411[23:10:57] <Mister_X> yes
• 4412[23:11:00] <teraflops> hmm
• 4413[23:11:04] <iamtim> How can I get debian to automatically run kpartx -a on boot? I'm using jessie.
• 4414[23:11:05] <Mister_X> 8.6, using mate if that matters
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• 4416[23:11:37] <Mister_X> out of curiosity, why starting using systemctl works and not via service?
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• 4419[23:12:33] <teraflops> Mister_X: replaced-url
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• 4421[23:12:43] <teraflops> Mister_X: service?
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• 4424[23:13:16] <Mister_X> service openvpn start
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• 4429[23:13:57] <teraflops> why do you want to use that way?
• 4430[23:14:10] <teraflops> I have no idea
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• 4432[23:14:26] <teraflops> Mister_X: looked at my paste?
• 4433[23:14:40] <teraflops> there's a lot of output, do it as root
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• 4435[23:15:10] <Mister_X> yes, I saw your paste but as I said, I have only one line in journalctl command
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• 4437[23:15:18] <Mister_X> -- Logs begin at sáb 2016-09-17 19:46:18 CEST, end at mar 2016-09-20 23:12:01 CEST. --
• 4438[23:15:26] <Mister_X> (well dates are different though)
• 4439[23:15:26] <Capum321> hello
• 4440[23:15:46] <teraflops> Mister_X: then I have no idea, I do stock debian jessie too
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• 4442[23:16:13] <Mister_X> <teraflops> why do you want to use that way? -- I've always used service openvpn start and it always worked fine on other debian based distro
• 4443[23:16:43] <Mister_X> teraflops, regarding services, it shouldn't matter
• 4444[23:16:48] <Mister_X> it's a stock debian
• 4445[23:16:50] <teraflops> Mister_X: time flies, debian now uses systemd
• 4446[23:16:57] <Mister_X> so does ubuntu
• 4447[23:17:08] <teraflops> Mister_X: sorry I dont get your point
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• 4449[23:17:16] <Mister_X> worked fine on ubuntu
• 4450[23:17:22] <Mister_X> afaik
• 4451[23:17:29] <teraflops> are you complaining to me? heh im not your guy :S
• 4452[23:17:42] <teraflops> there is a systemd unit
• 4453[23:18:09] <Mister_X> I'm not complaining, just wondering why it works fine with systemctl and not with service
• 4454[23:18:14] <Capum321> there is this c program replaced-url
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• 4456[23:18:29] <teraflops> you enable and start it sing sysmtenctl
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• 4459[23:18:38] <teraflops> Mister_X: no idea sorry
• 4460[23:18:53] <teraflops> using*
• 4461[23:19:00] <Mister_X> thanks for your help ;)
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• 4464[23:19:07] <teraflops> k
• 4465[23:19:13] <teraflops> hmmm
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• 4470[23:20:49] <teraflops> I wasnt meant to be rude. was I?
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• 4494[23:29:36] <tom99> so I was told in #emacs that I should have something called el sources installed
• 4495[23:29:47] <tom99> package name should be like emacs23-el or emacs25-el or something
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• 4499[23:30:11] <tom99> otherwise i can't get documentation for some lisp functions. but nothing like that is in my apt-cache. any ideas?
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• 4501[23:30:52] <TomTomTosch> ,i emacs24-el
• 4502[23:30:53] <judd> Package emacs24-el (editors, optional) in jessie/amd64: GNU Emacs LISP (.el) files. Version: 24.4+1-5; Size: 15067.2k; Installed: 15038k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 4504[23:31:12] <redprincess> replaced-url
• 4505[23:31:15] <tom99> so if I was on jessie it would be available ?
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• 4508[23:31:44] <TomTomTosch> i just gave you the package name.
• 4509[23:32:42] <redprincess> replaced-url
• 4510[23:32:44] <tom99> yes, for jessie/amd64. no package like that is on wheezy as far as i can tell
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• 4512[23:32:56] <tom99> So it was a jessie addition?
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• 4517[23:34:51] <jhutchins> tom99: May I suggest aptitude search emacs | grep el
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• 4519[23:35:04] <jhutchins> tom99: I found two versions available.
• 4520[23:35:31] <jhutchins> tom99: On wheezy
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• 4523[23:35:41] <tom99> jhutchins: i got emacs24-el again and something called emacs-goodies-el
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• 4530[23:37:14] <tom99> paste.debian.net/830754
• 4531[23:37:24] <tom99> replaced-url
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• 4533[23:37:49] <tom99> ^what does that mean and how do i fix it?
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• 4548[23:43:32] <TomTomTosch> pretty sure you are mixing jessie with wheezy. mixing releases is bad.
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• 4552[23:46:42] <TomTomTosch> the jessie version of libcairo2 conflicts with the wheezy version of libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 and so on.
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• 4566[23:53:17] <tom99> TomTomTosch: i was but I removed the jessie repos
• 4567[23:53:53] <tom99> so it should be giving me wheezy packages that don't have conflicts right?
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• 4569[23:54:38] <tom99> so in this line libcairo2 : Breaks: libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 (< 2.4.5-2~) but 1.8.1-3.4 is to be installed
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• 4572[23:55:17] <tom99> libcairo2 which is 1.8.1-3.4 is to be installed but it breaks libwebkitgtk 1.0 by upgrading it to 2.4.5?
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