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1[00:00:12] <mado> netinst ... okay ... thanks peterrooney
2[00:00:24] <mado> i'll download this then
3[00:00:26] <peterrooney> mado: it may be that you led with #Trisquel - there is a _strong_ tendancy to ignore users not actually using debian, or to tell them install debian and come back.
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5[00:00:49] <Bananoflouda> hello. After a hardware upgrade (from ivybridge to haswell), some programs like firefox and blender crash before they start. I have jessie with kernel and intel video driver from backports. anyone know what i should do?
6[00:01:08] <debkad> Capum321, sorry that all i can help about, how to enable, start/restart/stop/status but the format inside the times may be someone else can help about that
7[00:01:24] <peterrooney> modo for explanation of that tendency, see the channel bot: /msg dpkg based on debian
8[00:01:33] <peterrooney> mado: for explanation of that tendency, see the channel bot: /msg dpkg based on debian
9[00:01:41] <mado> i'm sorry peterrooney ... i was merely trying to tell you where i was coming from, etc ... and since i want to be honest i thought you should you know
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11[00:01:56] <debkad> brb taking some rest , my neck hurt a lot
12[00:02:01] <peterrooney> mado: is alright, you've come to the right place.
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15[00:03:21] <mado> you see ... i'm still in some way new to the world of GNU Linux ... but i'm willing to learn and don't expect everything to be served on a silver plate ... i'm trying to find a nice distro for myself and one for family members who "just need something that works" in their prefered language
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17[00:03:54] <c0mrade> I've just logged into a linux box though ssh -i myprivate key user@someip but when I did I didn't see any prompt like user@box$ I saw nothing, you just directly type commands... Why is that?
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22[00:04:56] <c0mrade> This linux box is on amazon aws cloud.
23[00:05:00] <IHaveAFriend> Hi does anyone know if it would be possible to restore an overwritten file in debian?
24[00:05:06] <peterrooney> mado: quick check of a 7.5 netinstall (latest I have until later), shows, for example, Czech, Dutch, Chinese, Tagalog, Welsh, Polish... actual list is a couple pages long.
25[00:05:37] <IHaveAFriend> Its a crypto-currencies wallet.dat file, I have a friend who installed a new updated version and it overwrote his wallet.dat >.>
26[00:05:37] <mado> could you show me a link to that?
27[00:05:50] <mado> and will i be able to update? upgrade? to 8.5 with that?
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29[00:06:40] <IHaveAFriend> Cant find a way to restore old file unless its plain text- his wallet was unencrypted but nano/vi show lots of random characters, so it isnt plain text :/
30[00:06:49] <peterrooney> mado: no, i just ran the installer on a virtual machine. I don't recall how to do screenshots off the top of my head.
31[00:06:51] <mado> sorry ... forgot to add your name there, peterrooney : )
32[00:07:06] <mado> there's a "print"-key : )
33[00:07:16] <mado> also called "Druck" on some keyboards from what i know
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37[00:08:02] <peterrooney> mado: if you're allowed to tell me the language, I could look.
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39[00:08:46] <peterrooney> mado: Basque, Belarusian, Bosnian, Bulgarian...
40[00:08:53] <peterrooney> mado: It's a long list
41[00:08:56] <mado> certainly ... my parents for instance only know German
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43[00:09:31] <peterrooney> mado: There we go! Galician, German, Greek.
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45[00:09:50] <mado> : )
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48[00:10:29] <mado> sooo ... for my parents it'd be 7.5 then if they used it right now?
49[00:10:45] <mado> and for those who know English it'll be 8.5?
50[00:10:56] <mado> ad peterrooney :)
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52[00:11:07] <peterrooney> mado: NO! version 8.5 is current stable, and no reason for German to have been dropped.
53[00:11:50] <mado> okay ... maybe i've confused myself just now then :) ... i'm trying to find the ISO with the current Debian for my computer that i should copy to a pen drive :)
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55[00:12:11] <mado> i don't mind using Debian in English ... i'd like it though if i could switch keyboard layouts : )
56[00:12:24] <mado> if i have to do that after the installation, fine with me
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58[00:12:39] <mado> if i can set it up during or before the installation, also fine, peterrooney
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60[00:13:02] <mado> for my parents it would have to be in German right away
61[00:13:08] <peterrooney> I am only using the old 7.5 because of an exotic init system problem which the average user will never encounter.
62[00:13:10] <mado> incl. German keyboard layout
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65[00:14:36] <peterrooney> mado: keybaord layout is usually second or third question during an install.
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68[00:15:30] <mado> okay ... : ) ... now all i need to find is the right ISO
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70[00:15:33] <mado> you got a lot there : )
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76[00:18:06] <mado> or should i get the netinst you said before?
77[00:18:13] <mado> i'm sorry for still being a little confused peterrooney
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79[00:18:48] <peterrooney> mado: if you have a solid network connection, netinst . it installs a base system and downloads extra stuff from a mirror.
80[00:19:27] <peterrooney> mado: you're allowed to be confused when starting something. It's a wonderful state of mind that allows learning.
81[00:19:40] <mado> thanks for your understanding, peterrooney
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83[00:20:26] <mado> some people i have met so far said something different, unfortunately ... plus they got all rude and disrespectful when i didn't understsnd something
84[00:20:27] <peterrooney> mado: if you'll be on a desert island with no sattelite uplink, download the first two or three CDs.
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87[00:21:11] <mado> my connection should be fairly stable ... sure there's some issues here and there sometimes but most of the time it's fine : )
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89[00:21:17] <krystalpowers> replaced-url
90[00:21:37] <krystalpowers> The hand, behind the Bolshevik Revolution, and subsequent communist rule in Eastern Europe, was a Jewish hand. Most of the key players were Jews and were involved in some of the most horrific human catastrophes of that time.
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94[00:24:03] <foul_owl> Is there a way to reload my xorg.conf without restarting x? (closing all the windows)
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98[00:25:07] <mado> peterrooney? ... one more question ... it says so here that Debian advises not to use "unetbootin" when preparing a usb pen drive ... what about "yumi" though?
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100[00:25:24] <mado> replaced-url
101[00:26:07] <prq9000> There were no gas chambers. They lied about it. There was, however, a real firebombing against German civilians when Hitler was dead and Germany was in surrender. Some 8 million innocent civilians were burned alive.
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106[00:27:34] <ninjai> I'm trying to run an image display application in an init script so an image pops up when my computer first boots up. Script works fine when I launch from my home directory. Starts with DISPLAY=:0 <command>, so that I can launch over SSH if needed
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108[00:27:41] <ninjai> it doesn't work in my init script though
109[00:27:41] <peterrooney> mado: Don't know about USB sticks, I always use optical discs (and ISOs in virtual machines).
110[00:27:45] <ninjai> why would it act differently?
111[00:28:00] <mrrhq> foul_owl: Not that I know of, but you could use Xephyr to test xorg.conf configurations.
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115[00:28:58] <mado> i see, peterrooney ... well i'm afraid i won't be able to use a cd ... but let me try something quickly ... i'll be back in a few
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118[00:30:14] <peterrooney> !ops spam prq9000
119[00:30:14] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: peterrooney complains about: spam prq9000
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121[00:31:35] <foul_owl> Thanks!
122[00:31:35] <surfist> will gparted (from a rescue disk) be able to grow a root partition and do the formatting etc. all in one stop? or do I need to do it manually
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147[00:48:12] <gho> hi. I have a room with lots of debian machines. I'd like to be able to manage them centrally, e.g. add users, install files or packages, monitor log events, etc. is there any tool for this?
148[00:48:49] <mrrhq> surfist: Gparted can do all that, if it supports the FS and partition layout.
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150[00:49:10] <surfist> so it grows and formats it? saving data?
151[00:49:14] <preaction> gho: ldap, ansible, and rsyslog
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153[00:50:42] <mrrhq> surfist: I'd make a backup to be safe, but yeah, growing it is mush safer than shrinking it.
154[00:51:06] <mrrhq> You can grow the partition and it will keep all the files intact.
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157[00:51:43] <surfist> was just wondering if gparted was smart enough to figure out where to start formatting the new sectors
158[00:51:55] <surfist> I heard it is
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161[00:52:19] <mrrhq> Gparted is good about detecting the sectors and resizing according to them.
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163[00:53:33] <surfist> so I use the slider and hit resize and it takes care of it all?
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165[00:53:55] <surfist> mostly double checking here instead of blundering through it... been a long time
166[00:55:34] <mrrhq> When you hit the resize button, does it say it will reformat, or just say "grow or resize from X to Y?"
167[00:55:50] <mrrhq> It won't perform the resize until you confirm it, so don't worry.
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171[00:56:17] <surfist> yeah... am not there yet.. am using the computer now .. will have to boot it from the usb
172[00:56:28] <surfist> doing homework beforehand
173[00:56:41] <mrrhq> If it looks okay, you can hit the apply button. You just don't want to actually reformat, otherwise you will lose files.
174[00:57:01] <mrrhq> But yeah, growing and shrinking is supposed to be non-destructive.
175[00:57:18] <surfist> reformat would be bad ... heh.. but formatting the new sectors is gonna be needed.. to blend in with the others
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178[00:59:19] <surfist> I guess that's transparent and automatic
179[00:59:23] <pingfloyd> surfist: you backed up the data didn't you?
180[00:59:55] <surfist> nope... might wait a while, accordingly
181[01:00:03] <surfist> but it's only 20 gigs
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184[01:00:21] <mrrhq> If you have an external drive, I would do a full backup: sudo dd if=/dev/sdX of=/path/to/folder/drive.dat bs=64K
185[01:00:34] <mrrhq> Just in case. :)
186[01:00:46] <pingfloyd> worst case you lose data, but that's why you have backups
187[01:00:51] <surfist> yeap
188[01:01:03] <surfist> I've saved entire partitions before by backing them up first
189[01:01:05] <pingfloyd> with a known good working backup you can proceed with more confidence
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191[01:01:07] <surfist> esp windoze
192[01:01:37] <mrrhq> Lol, 20 Gigs. Oh yeah, I have an SSD that's 80 GB. Pretty small but works!
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194[01:01:45] <pingfloyd> besides, let's say for the sake of argument you do everything right, there could still be problems from bugs.
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196[01:01:56] <surfist> all I wanted was a root system to start from
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198[01:02:03] <surfist> data lives on other partitions
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200[01:02:39] <pingfloyd> it's unlikely you'll run into bugs that will be such a problem because of the extensive testing and quality control done, but it's still never impossible
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202[01:05:12] <surfist> the worst thing at this point is lots of typing in config files gets lost.. but /etc gets backed up a lot
203[01:05:43] <surfist> or the whole thing borks and gets reinstalled.. the configs copied
204[01:05:49] <surfist> the/then
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209[01:08:13] <surfist> I basically couldn't remember if gparted just sets partition boundaries only, or also adjusts the file table
210[01:08:26] <surfist> and new sector formatting
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237[01:24:16] <tonyctl> does apt-get support resuming downloads when there is a network failure during an upgrade?
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243[01:25:58] <RoyK> tonyctl: yes
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245[01:26:38] <tonyctl> RoyK: thanks, do you know if it is the same when the debian repository is accessed over ssh?
246[01:27:26] <tonyctl> it would be so easy to use rsync so I'm guessing it does that
247[01:28:12] <awal1_> Is 'zypper' good compared to apt/apt-get/aptitude as under suze?
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265[01:37:15] <mrrhq> I wouldn't know because I don't use SUSE/OpenSuse.
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269[01:39:46] <eterna> Hello, is there a way to require a password for the sudo command but different from the user? What I mean is if somebody else has access to my terminal, they can do anything by using sudo and my password. Is there some kind of ways to restrict what can be done via the sudo command? like just adding or removing packages for example
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274[01:41:27] <tonyctl> eterna: yeah, look at the sudo config documentation for how to do that
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276[01:41:44] <eterna> tonyctl: thank you, at least I know it is possible :)
277[01:42:04] <tonyctl> if you are really paranoid, you could use `su` to change users to a user with more priveleges and then run sudo from that user
278[01:42:32] <tonyctl> `su` in that case would ask for the privileged users password
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282[01:43:27] <eterna> tonyctl: that could be an alternative, but I am not that paranoid :P
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289[01:44:19] <tonyctl> I don't know what you would really gain from that in a single user system though because if someone could steal your password, they could steal the other users password too
290[01:44:29] <teraflops> cascade su approach :P
291[01:45:23] <eterna> lol
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294[01:45:25] <eterna> tonyctl: do you know of a good guide to secure a debian box right after an install? I disabled root login through ssh, created a user, added this user to sudo, installed chkrootkit and its running periodic checks. But what I am wondering is if there are any tools that makes it simpler to see what happens in a debian box
295[01:46:04] <tonyctl> eterna: I don't know of any good security guides, but if you find one ping me
296[01:46:14] <eterna> :P
297[01:46:26] <debkad> :D
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313[01:55:50] <eterna> tonyctl: well this one gives some basics: replaced-url
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318[01:58:56] <tonyctl> cool I'll read it since I'm about to put some stuff in production
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320[01:59:20] <javak> Hey, when having a cryptroot device in crypttab and fstab - how can I tell the initramfs to unlock 3 more devices so that it can import the root zpool?
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322[01:59:26] <eterna> it talks about ubuntu but in general it is the same
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325[02:00:31] <javak> As far as I understand cryptroot is expected to get mounted on /, but in my case I need more than just that one drive for booting my system.
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332[02:02:46] <eterna> javak: I found that on google
333[02:02:49] <eterna> replaced-url
334[02:03:03] <miaoMish> when apt-get downloads a .deb file in jessie, where does it go? I just got a hash sum mismatch and I want to examine the deb file, but I "find / -name <file.deb> failed
335[02:03:09] <eterna> javak: or replaced-url
336[02:03:13] <eterna> maybe it can help you
337[02:03:28] <miaoMish> jelly: halp
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339[02:04:37] <eterna> javak: and on this one it talks about using the same pass for multiple disks
340[02:04:43] <eterna> replaced-url
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347[02:06:46] <javak> eterna, thanks. But I don't have the problems with lvm on luks on mdadm for example. So I guess its more zfsonlinux related.
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349[02:07:05] <eterna> oh ok
350[02:07:07] <elena> hello
351[02:07:17] <elena> how do I add a language?
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353[02:08:12] <eterna> elena: you mean a keyboard locale?
354[02:08:15] <d_himro> elena: dpkg-reconfigure localses?
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357[02:08:43] <dob1> hi, can someone suggest me an ftp command line client that support bandwidth limit
358[02:08:43] <elena> eterna, yes add a language to the system
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360[02:08:50] <d_himro> maybe it help
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362[02:08:56] <eterna> Take a look at this: replaced-url
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366[02:10:42] <eterna> elena: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
367[02:10:48] <eterna> dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
368[02:10:55] <eterna> This configures the keyboard for the Linux console and the X Window updates configuration parameters in "/etc/default/keyboard" and "/etc/default/console-setup".
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371[02:11:43] <elena> for god's sake, can't I add a language to the system simply
372[02:11:45] <elena> ?
373[02:12:26] <eterna> This seems to be the simplest way
374[02:12:54] <elena> wow
375[02:13:04] <eterna> It is a setup like command
376[02:13:06] <elena> okay thanks anyways
377[02:13:13] <eterna> when you type it in the terminal you can choose what you need
378[02:13:20] <eterna> elena: at least I tried to healp :P
379[02:13:24] <eterna> help I mean
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382[02:13:34] <elena> YUP ;)
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384[02:14:34] <elena> eterna, will this change or add a new language?
385[02:14:56] <eterna> you using graphical interface on the system?
386[02:15:28] <elena> ofcourse
387[02:15:29] <elena> lxde
388[02:16:05] <eterna> just found out there is a language switcher
389[02:16:07] <eterna> for lxde
390[02:16:12] <eterna> maybe it could help, let me see
391[02:16:21] <elena> there is a language changer
392[02:16:28] <eterna> yeah
393[02:16:29] <elena> but I need to instsll the font
394[02:16:47] <eterna> hmmm
395[02:16:58] <elena> I did something in a horrifying prehistoric interface
396[02:16:58] <elena> i
397[02:17:04] <eterna> lol
398[02:17:12] <elena> ill restart the system and see what it did
399[02:17:14] <elena> ;)
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401[02:17:33] <eterna> heh
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432[02:47:02] <elena> hello
433[02:47:14] <elena> how do I install skype?
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437[02:50:33] <judyroth> replaced-url
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444[02:54:17] <preaction> !ops judyroth spam/racism
445[02:54:17] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: preaction complains about: judyroth spam/racism
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447[02:55:09] <judyroth> preaction, Exposing Jewish supremacists is my duty. The only racism is the racism of the Jewish supremacists against humanity.
448[02:55:13] <judyroth> preaction, Now quiet down.
449[02:56:45] <surfist> elena it's available at microsoft website as a .deb download .. then you dpkg -i skype.deb (simplified text)
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451[02:57:09] <elena> okay thanks
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508[03:31:27] <ahmed751995> excuse me guys , is debian live containing non-free firmware ?
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512[03:34:17] <equilibrio> ahmed751995: replaced-url
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514[03:34:52] <equilibrio> If any of the hardware in your system requires non-free firmware to be loaded with the device driver, you can use one of the tarballs of common firmware packages
515[03:35:06] <debkad> ahmed751995, why for what device?
516[03:35:10] <equilibrio> now just have to know if its in the dvd or cd you downloaded
517[03:35:32] <equilibrio> netinst (generally 240-290 MB) non-free CD images with firmware
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519[03:35:45] <debkad> agreed
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521[03:36:10] <equilibrio> :P
522[03:36:22] <debkad> i downloaded the backport kernel and the firmware me too to be able to use internet
523[03:37:40] <miaoMish> when apt-get downloads a .deb file in jessie, where does it go? I just got a hash sum mismatch and I want to examine the deb file, but I "find / -name <file.deb> failed
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525[03:37:58] <ahmed751995> debkad: it's my first time intstalling debian so i want to be sure that all my hardware will work or not
526[03:37:59] <debkad> in cache
527[03:38:12] <ahmed751995> equilibrio: thanks alot for helping
528[03:38:12] <miaoMish> debkad: but where is this cache?
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531[03:38:40] <equilibrio> ahmed751995: no probs, found that too: For convenience for some users, there is an alternative unofficial netinst CD build which includes non-free firmware for extra support for some awkward hardware. Look under /cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ if you need that CD image instead.
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533[03:38:47] <debkad> you can simply do find / -name "*.deb" :)
534[03:40:25] <debkad> miaoMish, in my machine it is here /var/cache/apt/archives/
535[03:41:45] <miaoMish> debkad: yeah but due to the mismatch, I think it didn't make it into apt/archives
536[03:42:02] <miaoMish> how am I supposed to examine a mismatched .deb if apt-get deletes it? lol
537[03:42:05] <debkad> use the command above
538[03:42:11] <miaoMish> debkad: i did
539[03:42:12] <debkad> ah
540[03:42:20] <debkad> you deleted it?
541[03:42:23] <miaoMish> no
542[03:42:31] <debkad> autoclean?
543[03:42:34] <miaoMish> apt-get automatically did when it detected a hash-sum mismatch
544[03:42:41] <debkad> ok
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546[03:42:43] <miaoMish> i didn't run any command to delete it
547[03:43:09] <debkad> download it again :p
548[03:43:52] <debkad> apt-get download package_you_want
549[03:44:05] <debkad> it will download it in the current directory
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555[03:48:04] <miaoMish> thanks
556[03:48:25] <debkad> you're welcome :)
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574[04:00:57] <trophywitch> Hellstorm: the Death of Nazi Germany, 1944-1947 is considered one of those “game changers”, a book so powerful because it is written in the perspective of the victims. Millions of Germans were murdered after the end of the hostilities, and countless millions of woman were brutally raped by both the Western American/British, but especially sadistic were the Jewish inspired and led hordes coming out of the steppes of primitive Russia.
575[04:01:02] <trophywitch> replaced-url
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579[04:02:59] <debkad> o_o
580[04:03:39] <brightnesss> replaced-url
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582[04:04:08] <debkad> it become a political channel
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590[04:04:26] <themill> debkad: spam is spam, please ignore it.
591[04:04:33] <debkad> ok
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598[04:07:11] <random_numbers> Anyone know of a wiki parser for the wikipedia xml dumps that is in the packages?
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607[04:10:48] <miaoMish> i had an issue because my /boot is mounted as ro. "update-initramfs: Not updating /boot/initrd.img-<kernelversionhere>" # how can I manually make that update go through after I have remounted as rw?
608[04:11:06] <miaoMish> update-initramfs -u #?
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610[04:12:41] <miaoMish> alright seems to have done it
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618[04:15:49] <cfics> replaced-url
619[04:16:11] <cfics> Ken O'Keefe Unveils The Truth About Adolf Hitler
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627[04:17:21] <miaoMish> /pol/ spam, themill?
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638[04:21:29] <jmss> Hi, I have just booted Jessie for BeagleBoard-xM and it seems to have DHCP configured somehow. File interfaces has no entries, but it is confiugred somehow. Is this some new service?
639[04:22:07] <jmss> I added a static configuration to /etc/network/interfaces but it is ignored
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680[04:38:54] <pingfloyd> jmss: are you using network manager?
681[04:39:22] <jmss> no. it's a CLI image. I think it is avahi:
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684[04:39:48] <pingfloyd> network manager isn't necessarily gui
685[04:39:55] <themill> is this actually debian or some derivative?
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687[04:40:16] <pingfloyd> it also has a daemon
688[04:40:19] <jmss> themill: how do I know?
689[04:40:36] <jmss> pingfloyd: let me check
690[04:40:41] <themill> well... if you didn't download it from debian.org then it could be anything...
691[04:42:43] <jmss> themill: it's for a single-board computer beagleboard-xm
692[04:43:16] <jmss> the image from debian.org would not run on this hardware unchanged
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699[04:45:12] <heheheh> My desktop manager is lightdm, when I try to sign in I get a black screen and sent back to the login screen with the correct credentials. I tried deleting and readding the same user account, but I experience the same issue.
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702[04:45:40] <cra1g321> heh- maybe check top right of lightdm what session it's set to
703[04:46:01] <equilibrio> heheheh: i add the same issue, the solution was to add a special command to the useradd string
704[04:46:15] <heh-> ah
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706[04:46:18] <jmss> avahi seems to ignore my static conf and use DHCP: replaced-url
707[04:46:19] <heh-> what do you suggest?
708[04:46:19] <equilibrio> otherwise even with the good credentials it doesnt log one sec
709[04:46:25] <heh-> thanks
710[04:47:12] <jmss> heh-: .xsession-errors should show the error?
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715[04:48:41] <equilibrio> try useradd -m username
716[04:48:44] <equilibrio> sorry for delay
717[04:48:45] <heh-> thanks let me try that now
718[04:48:49] <heh-> :)
719[04:48:57] <equilibrio> i remember that without the home directory it was bugging
720[04:49:02] <equilibrio> this switch auto-creates the home dir
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722[04:49:24] <themill> jmss: the trouble is, we have no knowledge of what is installed, how it is currently configured and how to change that sensibly.
723[04:49:26] <heh-> should i delete the existing home directory before readding it?
724[04:49:32] <heh-> *before readding the user
725[04:49:38] <equilibrio> yes maybe there was some bad permissions set
726[04:49:42] <heh-> true
727[04:49:49] <equilibrio> at least with the useradd command setting it up you are sure about it :P
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730[04:50:05] <heh-> its deleting now thanks =]
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732[04:50:13] <equilibrio> man did I scratch my head on this one lol
733[04:50:22] <themill> jmss: avahi isn't configuring the network there, it's only advertising the configuration to other zeroconf devices on your local network
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736[04:50:49] <jmss> themill: OK, I thought avahi was somehow new (active) on Jessie or so
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738[04:51:26] <jmss> themill: hum, so why does it mention the .3 that I set and the .156 that it really is using?
739[04:51:33] <themill> avahi has been around for a long time and it might be a dhcp-of-last-resort but not here
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743[04:52:07] <themill> jmss: can you pastebin all of /etc/network/interfaces and the output of "ip a"?
744[04:52:10] <pingfloyd> also the dead giveaway for zeroconf would be the ip address it assigns
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746[04:52:42] <pingfloyd> link-local address
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748[04:53:00] <themill> s/zeroconf/zeroconf autoip/
749[04:54:28] <themill> we're looking at avahi-daemon output there, not avahi-autoipd
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753[04:56:27] <jmss> themill: here: replaced-url
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758[04:57:34] <jmss> each time it reboots, it increments the assigned IP address, now it is .157
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763[04:58:13] <themill> fun
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766[05:00:17] <jmss> this board does not have an ethernet card, it's "emulated" through USB, maybe it has a different mac address each time and my router thinks it's a different device?
767[05:00:17] <themill> boot it another 97 times and it will have the right IP for you again
768[05:00:30] <jmss> lol
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770[05:01:28] <miaoMish> alright i'm trying to dist-upgrade from jessie to sid and i'm getting "The following packages cannot be authenticated" -- what do?
771[05:01:45] <jmss> I'll disable avahi, I don't think I'll need it (I don't think I ever used avahi)
772[05:01:54] <kingkong> what's -H flag stands for before runing a command?
773[05:01:58] <miaoMish> i have debian-archive-keyring but not debian-keyring
774[05:02:12] <miaoMish> and debian-keyring cannot be authenticated :-(
775[05:02:17] <surfist> apt-get update first?
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777[05:02:54] <debkad> you can may be link the service of avahi to /dev/null
778[05:03:03] <debkad> it is better to remove it
779[05:03:15] <debkad> s/to/than
780[05:03:35] <pingfloyd> jmss: are you assigning an ip address within the same range as your dhcp range?
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782[05:04:00] <jmss> pingfloyd, no
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784[05:04:24] <pingfloyd> what looks odds is eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,DYNAMIC,UP,LOWER_UP> (notice the DYNAMIC).
785[05:06:38] <pingfloyd> what's ip a l dynamic return?
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789[05:08:40] <jmss> OK, it's not avahi, I've disabled it and the behavior is the same
790[05:08:44] <jmss> let me check NM
791[05:09:33] <jmss> root@arm:~# ps auxw|grep nm
792[05:09:34] <jmss> root 758 0.0 0.7 6380 3920 ? Ss 03:03 0:00 /usr/sbin/connmand -n
793[05:09:49] <jmss> found connmand while looking for NM :)
794[05:10:04] <pingfloyd> we know it's not avahi
795[05:10:50] <debkad> NetworkManager or networking or something like that for NM
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797[05:12:04] <pingfloyd> "ConnMan is a command-line network manager designed for use with embedded devices and fast resolve times."
798[05:12:06] <jmss> seems to be connmand, really
799[05:12:11] <pingfloyd> yep
800[05:12:27] <pingfloyd> so you should try to see if there is a way to disable connman next
801[05:12:53] <jmss> yes, theres seems to be not conf file
802[05:12:54] <pingfloyd> maybe try: systemctl | grep connman
803[05:13:09] <pingfloyd> see if there is a unit file for it
804[05:13:14] <pingfloyd> also check in /etc/init.d
805[05:13:15] <debkad> systemctl status con and hit tab
806[05:13:33] <pingfloyd> you could try that as well
807[05:14:02] <jmss> yes, I did that and disabled it
808[05:14:08] <debkad> good
809[05:14:22] <jmss> I was just looking for a config file to make a sanity check that it was set for DHCP
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811[05:14:43] <pingfloyd> connman probably acts as dhcp client of some sort
812[05:14:49] <pingfloyd> or makes use of one
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815[05:16:13] <jmss> done :)
816[05:16:19] <jmss> was avahi of any use?
817[05:16:29] <jmss> this is just a print server, nothing else
818[05:16:39] <jmss> 1 USB printer that's all
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821[05:19:08] <pingfloyd> jmss: zerconf/avahi is for discovery of devices on a network in an adhoc fashion
822[05:20:14] <jmss> pingfloyd: OK, so not need for it whatsoever
823[05:20:21] <pingfloyd> probably not in your case
824[05:20:50] <pingfloyd> Avahi is a system which enables programs to publish and discover services and hosts running on a local network. For example, a user can plug their computer into a network and have Avahi automatically advertise the network services running on the machine which could enable access to files and printers.
825[05:20:54] <ninjai> is there any software that will do a slideshow of video and pictures, and permit a manual spec for delay on a picture?
826[05:21:24] <pingfloyd> jmss: you could just disable avahi for now
827[05:21:34] <pingfloyd> jmss: then if you find you end up needing it at some point, enable it
828[05:22:00] <jmss> yeap
829[05:22:21] <pingfloyd> it's usually best to only run services you need
830[05:22:35] <pingfloyd> smaller attack surface
831[05:23:40] <pingfloyd> if in doubt, disable a service, then if you find functionality turning up missing, figure out which service you need.
832[05:23:42] <debkad> ninjai, to create that as a video or just to show them?
833[05:23:57] <ninjai> just show them
834[05:24:14] <ninjai> IE display picture 1, then play video clip 1, then picture 2, 3, 4, video clip 2, etc
835[05:24:30] <ninjai> basically I want a slideshow that also accepts video clips
836[05:24:50] <debkad> for images you can use something like feh and for video may be you need something with video editors
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841[05:25:58] <debkad> ffmpeg can make a video like that with concat option ( concatenation ) it have ffplay as a player may be you can put the same command to just see without create a video for it
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848[05:31:46] <jmss> thank you all for the support
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950[06:41:57] <olliee> apt get
951[06:41:57] <apt> get is, like, search replaced-url
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980[07:13:40] <cdchapm2> hi guys
981[07:13:56] <cdchapm2> i have a laptop with jesse installed. every time i use the touchscreen and switch to gnome-terminal
982[07:14:03] <cdchapm2> the on screen keyboard appears
983[07:14:19] <cdchapm2> how do you disable this? the on screen keyboard is already disabled in the universal access menu
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1017[07:37:32] <urand0m> im trying to install this package but get this error replaced-url
1018[07:37:41] <regedit> hi debian please have openssl 1.0.2 so we can serve http2 to chrome users, kthx
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1028[07:39:46] <jmcnaught> ,v libswingworker-java
1029[07:39:47] <judd> No package named 'libswingworker-java' was found in amd64.
1030[07:40:01] <jmcnaught> urand0m: why do you think this package exists?
1031[07:40:46] <jmcnaught> ,v openssl
1032[07:40:47] <judd> Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u21; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u5; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1.0.2h-1~bpo8+2; sid: 1.0.2h-1; stretch: 1.0.2h-1; experimental: 1.1.0-1
1033[07:41:09] <jmcnaught> regedit: did you try the version in backports?
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1035[07:41:19] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell regedit about bdo
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1038[07:42:02] <urand0m> jmcnaught, because webcamstudio 0.61 depends upon it
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1044[07:43:30] <jmcnaught> urand0m: do you have a .deb of webcamstudio that depends on libswingworker-java? or you need that library somehow for a binary tarball you've downloaded?
1045[07:43:53] <urand0m> theres a newer version of webcam studio 0.7.3 but theres not deb file for it.. i dont know how to install the newest version and it appears im having many dependency issues when trying to install the older version
1046[07:44:29] <jmcnaught> urand0m: if you're having dependency problems with a .deb it probably was not made for Debian
1047[07:44:30] <urand0m> jmcnaught, 0.61 has a deb file and thats what im trying to install from.. but i cant find a deb file for 0.7.3
1048[07:44:45] <urand0m> well theres a ppa but its for ubuntu
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1050[07:45:21] <jmcnaught> Ubuntu and Debian are not binary compatible. Sharing a common package format does not mean the packages are interchangeable
1051[07:45:57] <urand0m> there is a folder in the new version called debian with a readme file but it doesn't say much
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1053[07:46:44] <jmcnaught> urand0m: if the program has a binary tarball you can download it might be simpler just to use that (installed in /opt, /usr/local, or in your $HOME)
1054[07:47:30] <urand0m> when i try to run the binary WebcamStudio it says Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/webcamstudio" (No such file or directory).
1055[07:47:38] <regedit> jmcnaught: hm interesting, thanks
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1057[07:48:22] <jmcnaught> urand0m: yuck.
1058[07:49:12] <urand0m> im running debian jessie 8.5 btw
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1061[07:50:44] <jmcnaught> urand0m: did that binary come from a tarball?
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1065[07:51:38] <urand0m> jmcnaught, webcamstudio_0.73-r604.tar.xz
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1067[07:52:23] <urand0m> jmcnaught, i got it from here replaced-url
1068[07:52:52] <jmcnaught> urand0m: and then you extracted it to your home directory, ran the binary, and it said it couldn't find /usr/bin/webcamstudio?
1069[07:53:02] <michal_> AlexLikeRock: probably utf8 in case you need another letter later
1070[07:53:19] <urand0m> indeed. i also checked to make sure the executable permission was checked
1071[07:53:39] <michal_> utf8 is most widely used nowadays so it's most likely least broken
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1074[07:54:10] <AndChat26676> What is the latest stable release?
1075[07:54:28] <jmcnaught> urand0m: well i wouldn't install that then. only dpkg packages should make files in /usr/bin, stuff installed from tarballs belongs in /usr/local/bin. You could maybe ask their IRC channel how to accomplish that
1076[07:54:52] <AndChat26676> With the latest stable, does that mean that Firefox is outdated?
1077[07:55:02] <AlexLikeRock> michal_, if i use " ISO 8859-1" they make problems ?
1078[07:55:13] <urand0m> jmcnaught, its a program similar to manycam or webcam max for windows.. if you know of a program that will allow me to stream my desktop other than webcam studio i would be willing to try something else. years ago when i used to use webcam studio i remember it being a resource hog anyway
1079[07:55:30] <AlexLikeRock> what characters lose , to English ?
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1081[07:55:58] <jmcnaught> AndChat26676: Debian 8 is the latest stable, yesterday 8.6 was released replaced-url
1082[07:56:54] <AndChat26676> Is that an outdated version thT might give problems.brosaing?
1083[07:56:55] <michal_> AlexLikeRock: if you do not want to lose time on figuring out which characters you can and cannot represent use utf8. If you want to use ISO 8859-1 just because you can go ahead
1084[07:57:16] <AndChat26676> @jmc
1085[07:57:32] <jmcnaught> AndChat26676: no
1086[07:57:53] <jmcnaught> urand0m: you can start by looking at "apt-cache search webcam" and replaced-url
1087[07:58:31] <AndChat26676> What desktop is most similar to windows hi?
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1090[07:58:55] <AndChat26676> *windows ui
1091[07:59:17] <somiaj> AndChat26676: which windows are you talking about? like xp/windows 7 or more like windows 10?
1092[08:00:02] <somiaj> AndChat26676: I think kde might be more windows like. lxde is kinda simlar to windows (but more like winxp era)
1093[08:00:08] <AndChat26676> Windows 10 -sorry using phone and noauto nick completion
1094[08:00:38] <AndChat26676> What is more resource intensive KDE or gnome?
1095[08:00:55] <urand0m> KDE
1096[08:00:58] <somiaj> AndChat26676: I don't know of any desktop that gives a windows 10 feel, I am unsure what newer themes there are.
1097[08:01:11] <somiaj> I would say they are about the same depending on additional software you use.
1098[08:01:55] <AndChat26676> It's a long time since I used Linux, seems lots have changed
1099[08:02:11] <michal_> I don't thnk there is anything that emulates Metro. Besides that the Windows 10 desktop is not that different prom previous versions
1100[08:02:28] <urand0m> you can do some cool things with compiz fusion i think they named it to something else or vice versa idr .. stoner memory
1101[08:02:41] <AndChat26676> I saw that Linux mint uses something that looks like it
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1103[08:03:18] <michal_> modern 'convergent' desktops like Gnome Unity or KDE Plasma are different from each other and the Windows 'convergent' desktop features
1104[08:03:18] <jmcnaught> AndChat26676: you might mean cinnamon, which is an option during the debian installer along with the others mentioned above
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1106[08:03:53] <urand0m> my hardware is crap so i use light desktop environments
1107[08:04:03] <michal_> Sinnamon and Mate are desktops that provide something liek the classic windows desktop without Metro
1108[08:04:10] <michal_> Cinnamon
1109[08:05:27] <urand0m> i used to use something way back in the day called e16 enlightenment and e17 enlightenment .. i liked e16 better
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1112[08:06:04] <michal_> Enlightenment is cool but nothing like Windows
1113[08:06:25] <urand0m> is enlightenment still maintained?
1114[08:06:36] <michal_> yes
1115[08:06:37] <makerman> anyone try out a power8 cpu with debian? curious to learn how it compares to xeons
1116[08:06:51] <michal_> at least the upstream part
1117[08:06:59] <michal_> the Debian packages are somewhat dated
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1119[08:07:12] <aaro> e17 is now e20 or e21 i think
1120[08:07:42] <AndChat26676> What desktop.environment would you guys recommend for or your dad? I need to ditch windows and some third party apps out of privacy concerns. But more pop arr using the same p
1121[08:07:43] <urand0m> interesting
1122[08:07:48] <AndChat26676> Computer*
1123[08:07:56] <michal_> AndChat26676: Mate
1124[08:08:48] <urand0m> AndChat26676, xfce, lxde
1125[08:08:50] <michal_> in Debian it's even working quite well if you do fresh install and select it as the DE you want in installer
1126[08:09:10] <michal_> well, lxde on a netbook or really crap hardware
1127[08:09:26] <michal_> xfce is just odd
1128[08:09:55] <michal_> undockable docks are confusing like hell and make you want to scream when you try to use that thing
1129[08:10:24] <michal_> I mean non-dockable
1130[08:11:17] <jmcnaught> AndChat26676: i think GNOME is a good option because it has lots of features working out of the box, has a simple use paradigm, isn't very configurable (not overwhelming with options)
1131[08:11:21] <AlexLikeRock> MATE RULES !! ! = no SystemD = GOOD !
1132[08:11:45] <michal_> everything uses systemd
1133[08:11:52] <AlexLikeRock> GNOME3 sucks ! , they need systemD
1134[08:12:25] <AlexLikeRock> michal_, , i have my laptop WITOUTH SYSTEMD
1135[08:12:40] <AlexLikeRock> and my desktop too
1136[08:12:41] <jmcnaught> maybe it's time to move the desktop comparisons to #debian-offtopic and keep it to tech support here
1137[08:12:54] <AlexLikeRock> ok jmcnaught
1138[08:13:02] <AlexLikeRock> GNU RULES !!
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1140[08:13:15] <michal_> nothing wrong with gnome3 but it's not for people who do not want to learn new DE and just want to use the compter as they are used to
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1142[08:14:04] <urand0m> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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1144[08:15:19] <jmcnaught> urand0m: maybe try their mailing lists then. what you need to ask them is how to get the program running from /opt or /usr/local so you don't have to install it to /usr (where it will be hard to remove or upgrade). Unless of course this is covered in their INSTALL docs
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1147[08:16:53] <michal_> anyone does networking? I am missing some DNS queries
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1150[08:17:22] <zeephus> hi low me buckos
1151[08:17:29] <michal_> cannot find the packets anywhere
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1154[08:18:00] <urand0m> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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1156[08:18:20] <jmcnaught> urand0m: the reasons not to use this software keep stacking up
1157[08:18:41] <urand0m> indeed. theres got to be an alternative
1158[08:18:56] <Arcaire> This is, like, the go-to community assistance channel, right?
1159[08:19:20] <zeephus> contributing to software is the point
1160[08:19:34] <jmcnaught> Arcaire: for Debian, yes
1161[08:19:41] <Arcaire> I'm having an issue which appears to boil down to "my hardware is too new to work properly" -- I log in (KDE/SDDM) and am immediately greeted with a black screen. Jumping to TTY1 and running `top` shows `glxinfo` running at 100%CPU and thrashing everything.
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1163[08:20:33] <Arcaire> Intel Integrated Graphics 5000HD, Nvidia 970M.
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1165[08:21:17] <urand0m> years ago ubuntu didnt have 64 bit support for my new soundblaster xfi fatality pro soundcard for a long time they only had 32 bit support for that card
1166[08:21:17] <Arcaire> It may be pertinent to mention that it Worked on Ubuntu(tm) (after installing newer drivers than were available in 16.04 stable), but I wanted to run Debian.
1167[08:21:38] <zeephus> which windows utility is equivilant to the linux lspci ?
1168[08:22:28] <michal_> zeephus: none. There are 3rd party tools somewhere
1169[08:22:38] <jmcnaught> Arcaire: Debian 8? also which packages are you using for the GPUs? Bumblebee? The nvidia driver in backports might support your GPU
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1171[08:23:12] <urand0m> zeephus, i don't think you can do that with windows power shell #windows might know
1172[08:23:15] <Arcaire> jmcnaught: Debian Testing (stretch?), I'm using the ones it installed when I installed KDE, which appear to xserver-xorg-video-nouveau. It doesn't install an intel one, but doing that makes it even worse and it won't even get to sddm.
1173[08:24:29] <jmcnaught> Arcaire: you might need to use replaced-url
1174[08:24:53] <Arcaire> jmcnaught: I did try using this and it actually locked up before X even loaded.
1175[08:24:57] <Arcaire> Total lockup.
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1193[08:45:44] <jair> hello everyone. I am working on debian doing some ping test in the local server, and would like to create a graphic, but to do that I will need to select just "time=0.014" from the full line like 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_req=4864 ttl=64 time=0.014 ms but 5000 lines
1194[08:46:06] <jair> I was trying to use VIM and work editing blocks but I am sure there should be a better way
1195[08:46:14] <FOIU> The Jew Supremacists have been FOUND OUT and are not in desperation mode. They are scrambling to remain in control, in power, but the truth is like a tidal wave that is going to be most IMPOSSIBLE for them to defend against.
1196[08:47:28] <preaction> !ops FOIU racism
1197[08:47:28] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: preaction complains about: FOIU racism
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1201[08:47:38] <FOIU> not=now
1202[08:47:52] <FOIU> Looks like I won again, goyim
1203[08:47:57] <FOIU> Penetrated your security systems and spoke my say.
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1205[08:47:59] <FOIU> Good game.
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1207[08:48:13] <Silvering> Hi everyone! I'm trying to deploy a django project to my debian server but I have this kind of errors messages on the apache log file : replaced-url
1208[08:49:11] <jmcnaught> Silvering: what does "ls -l /var/log/apache2/suexec.log" say?
1209[08:49:26] <FOIU> We're DESTROYING the PATHETIC mass media's narrative in no time at all.
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1212[08:49:46] *** FOIU was kicked by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.)
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1214[08:50:00] <Silvering> jmcnaught : it returns : -rw-r----- 1 root adm 3237 Sep 18 08:43 /var/log/apache2/suexec.log
1215[08:50:18] <michal_> jair: there are probably several ready made tools to give you graphs of various networking stuff. If you want to so something yourself you probably want awk or sed or some scripting language
1216[08:51:18] <jmcnaught> Silvering: so what is the process that produces those errors? and what file were the messages in?
1217[08:51:42] <jair> hello michal_ thank you I am looking in google and sounds like awk or sed
1218[08:52:03] <jmcnaught> Silvering: i mean, are you starting apache in some unusual way?
1219[08:52:09] <jair> this is just a simple ping test to localhost for about 5000 pings
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1221[08:53:00] <Silvering> jmcnaught : The content of suexec.log is a lot of : [2016-09-18 08:43:14]: uid: (10002/admin_digital) gid: (1003/1003) cmd: django.cgi
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1223[08:53:29] <jmcnaught> Silvering: i meant the errors in your gist, what file did you find those in?
1224[08:54:12] <michal_> makerman: how would you compare a power8 to xeon?
1225[08:54:21] <Silvering> jmcnaught: Because I trying to deploy django on this server I'm using a django.cgi. I found this errors in the plesk interface. I have a dedicated server running on debian 8
1226[08:54:43] <michal_> the system is not only about CPU but also the interconnects
1227[08:55:04] <jmcnaught> Silvering: did you deploy django using plesk?
1228[08:55:11] <michal_> if you want CPU only comparison I am sure there are numerous artifical benchamrks out tehre on the interwebs
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1230[08:56:01] <Silvering> jmcnaught: no, I just created a webdomain via plesk and a database linked to django settings.py
1231[08:56:06] <michal_> ... and which power8 to which xeon ...
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1233[08:57:13] <michal_> hm, well, maybe there are no public benchamrk if there is some license prohibiting benchmark results publishing. Happened in the past
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1235[08:58:37] <jmcnaught> Silvering: i don't know what "created a webdomain" means in plesk. did plesk supply the apache config, or did you? can you show us apache configuration for the site?
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1238[08:58:45] <peterrooney> themill: you'd save yourself a lot of time by banning the entire 71.19.252 block. they bring nothing but racist spam here.
1239[08:59:43] <vahe> hi,how to add a startup script that would start on behalf of user ?
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1244[09:01:24] <jmcnaught> vahe: systemd service units have a User= directive
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1246[09:02:13] <Silvering> jmcnaught: Ah ok, plesk supply the apache config right. But, what I don't really understand, I just discover just now is that nginx and apache are installed and running on the server. a 'netstat -paunt' informs me that apache is listening on port 7080 and nginx on port 80....
1247[09:02:28] <vahe> jmcnaught: do not understand sorry
1248[09:03:35] <jmcnaught> Silvering: you would need to ask plesk support how to deploy django using their system
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1252[09:04:29] <jmcnaught> Silvering: or remove plesk i guess
1253[09:04:51] <Silvering> jmcnaught : Ok thanks I'll look in this direction
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1259[09:06:20] <jmcnaught> vahe: systemd service units are the way to start things at boot. see "man systemd.service". If you are new to systemd you may want to supplement the man pages with replaced-url
1260[09:07:39] <vahe> jmcnaught: thanks
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1272[09:16:29] <tom99> what's plesk
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1279[09:23:02] <jelly> tom99: /msg dpkg plesk
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1287[09:30:03] <dyersons> Good game, goy. Looks like I penetrated once again your security systems. You lose every time. Jews 10000. Goys 0. Good riddance. replaced-url
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1292[09:35:06] <Silvering> jmcnaught: Little message to thanks you a lot! I found the solution following this : replaced-url
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1306[09:47:04] <c0mrade> WriteLn.Console ( " Hello " ) ;
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1309[09:47:23] <c0mrade> Can I use the same keypair for multiple EC2 instances?
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1311[09:49:02] <babilen> c0mrade: I'd suggest asking that in ##aws rather than #debian as it really has very little to do with the latter :)
1312[09:49:26] <babilen> Debian would be okay with that
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1328[09:59:43] <MrRobot_> plz help i cannot open my internal harddrive partition from gui ,
1329[10:00:15] <MrRobot_> it shows unable to mount
1330[10:00:42] <MrRobot_> anybody can help
1331[10:01:14] <tom99> i don't know MrRoboto
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1336[10:02:41] <tom99> domo arigatou
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1338[10:03:23] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, how so
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1343[10:04:35] <MrRobot_> i yesterday updated the system, and now m facing this issue
1344[10:05:00] <MrRobot_> replaced-url
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1348[10:07:54] <MrRobot_> plz help
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1350[10:08:07] <maxcell_> -.-
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1352[10:09:02] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: plz help
1353[10:09:32] <themill> MrRobot_: it's hard to help when you don't ask a question or provide details
1354[10:09:38] <themill> !ask
1355[10:09:38] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1357[10:10:55] <MrRobot_> i cannot open my drive , as it shows error msg "unable to access mydrive_name" , i am using debian 8
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1359[10:11:23] <themill> "it" being what?
1360[10:11:58] <MrRobot_> file manger shows this msg when i try to open the drive
1361[10:12:18] <borsin> i have a nvidia card. how would i reverse the "nvidia debian way" proprietary install and go back to the nouveau which was blacklisted? what the location for the blacklist?
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1364[10:12:56] <maxcell_> borsin, open the terminal and look at /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau see if the file exist
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1366[10:13:32] <MrRobot_> dialogue box opens with this msg " unable to access partition name an operation already pending"
1367[10:14:18] <MrRobot_> themill: what to do now
1368[10:14:23] <borsin> maxcell_: i have a nvidia-blacklists-nouveau there, it has a symlink though. how would i find out to where
1369[10:14:38] <themill> MrRobot_: I still have no idea what you are trying to do or how you are going about it
1370[10:15:11] <maxcell_> borsin, i think in the "ls -l" it shows the symlink pointed to somewhere
1371[10:15:12] <MrRobot_> themill: have u undestood my problem or i will rephrase
1372[10:15:17] <themill> not a clue
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1375[10:16:06] <MrRobot_> when i open the drive from gui i get the error msg "unable to acess drive"
1376[10:16:11] <borsin> maxcell_: so i would just delete those files and reconfigure x?
1377[10:17:17] <MrRobot_> themill: but from terminal when enter the "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /media/thinkpad/Data"
1378[10:17:36] <MrRobot_> themill: it mounts the drive for me
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1380[10:18:08] <maxcell_> borsin, i think that if you just remove --purge nvidia-driver and install nouveau again it will remove nouveau from blacklist automatically, but i didnt try yet so, its good to know that blacklist is in /etc/modprobe.d folder
1381[10:18:39] <MrRobot_> themill: but before yesterday i used to open the drive from gui and it asked for root password and later mounted automatically
1382[10:18:44] <borsin> ok, thanks
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1384[10:18:48] <maxcell_> borsin, if your system doesnt boot
1385[10:19:00] <maxcell_> borsin, type "nomodeset" in the kernel boot at GRub
1386[10:19:20] <borsin> it currently boots with nvidia
1387[10:19:23] <MrRobot_> themill: r u there
1388[10:20:00] <maxcell_> borsin, the thing is that when you remove nvidia driver it probably will not boot without "nomodeset" option
1389[10:20:16] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: can u help me
1390[10:20:24] <borsin> ok
1391[10:20:59] <maxcell_> borsin, did you know how to edit the boot options at grub and type nomodeset in the vmlinuz boot phrase?
1392[10:21:12] <borsin> maxcell_: yes
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1394[10:21:19] <themill> MrRobot_: did you upgrade to 8.6 yesterday/today?
1395[10:21:20] <maxcell_> borsin, ok you will be fine
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1398[10:21:55] <MrRobot_> themill: how to check debian version
1399[10:22:32] <borsin> MrRobot_: lsb_release -a
1400[10:23:12] <MrRobot_> themill: yes it was upgraded to 8.6
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1402[10:24:06] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, what xwindow are you using
1403[10:24:21] <MrRobot_> themill: gnome
1404[10:24:32] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, open the terminal and type lsblk
1405[10:24:51] <themill> MrRobot_: there's a distinct chance that you'd need to reboot to be able to load the kernel modules as a result of the upgrade
1406[10:25:17] <MrRobot_> themill: i have rebooted
1407[10:25:49] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: what to do after lsblk
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1412[10:26:41] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, open a home folder and look at the drive you are trying to mount and locate him in the output of "lsblk" command
1413[10:26:59] <maxcell_> and paste here
1414[10:27:18] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: part /media/thinkpad/Data
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1416[10:28:07] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, this drive you are trying to mount should look like "/dev/sdX 1" or something like that
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1418[10:28:33] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: /dev/sda2
1419[10:28:48] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, paste the output of /dev/sda2 in lsblk command
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1423[10:29:23] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: sda2 8:2 0 170.5G 0 part /media/thinkpad/Data
1424[10:29:42] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, your drive is already mounted
1425[10:30:02] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: yes but using mount command
1426[10:30:03] <han-solo> check df
1427[10:30:19] <han-solo> umount /dev/sda2
1428[10:30:28] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: i was able to acess the drive from gui
1429[10:30:38] <han-solo> then do, mount /dev/sda2 /media/thinkpad/Data
1430[10:30:45] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: but from yesterday i cannot
1431[10:30:57] <maxcell_> do what han-solo says to see what happends
1432[10:31:04] <maxcell_> in terminal
1433[10:31:10] <maxcell_> without root
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1435[10:33:00] <MrRobot_> han-solo: i did what u said
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1437[10:33:03] <MrRobot_> han-solo: i did what u said
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1439[10:33:12] <han-solo> and?
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1441[10:33:35] <han-solo> did you get "mount: only root can do that
1442[10:33:36] <han-solo> "
1443[10:33:38] <MrRobot_> han-solo: still when i try to unmount from gui its shows "unable to umount"
1444[10:34:07] <MrRobot_> han-solo: yes i know its root command i used sudo b4
1445[10:34:09] <han-solo> well, maybe because it's busy
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1447[10:34:33] <han-solo> umount -f /dev/sda2
1448[10:34:53] <maxcell_> without root
1449[10:34:58] <maxcell_> :}
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1451[10:35:16] <babilen> (or sudo)
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1453[10:35:43] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: i did with sudo
1454[10:36:02] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: still not able to open the drive from gui
1455[10:36:35] <nzozr> gone (auto-afk)
1456[10:36:39] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: same warning msg " unable to acess Data "
1457[10:36:46] <han-solo> is umount succefull?
1458[10:36:47] <MrRobot_> han-solo: what to do now
1459[10:36:48] <babilen> nzozr: Turn that off please
1460[10:36:56] <maxcell_> try to mount /dev/sda2 in the terminal without sudo MrRobot_
1461[10:37:03] <MrRobot_> han-solo: yes it was successful
1462[10:37:13] <han-solo> ^
1463[10:37:14] <babilen> That is: NOT as root us using sudo
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1465[10:38:18] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: error msg in terminal "only root can do that"
1466[10:38:22] <julius_> got a temporary space problem, i would like to remove libreoffice: apt remove libreoffice-* tells me that it wants to remove: ....gnome libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer libreoffice-base
1467[10:38:28] <julius_> why the fuck does it want to remove gnome?
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1469[10:39:57] <MrRobot_> han-solo: maxcell_ : what to do now
1470[10:40:04] <babilen> judd: why gnome libreoffice-base
1471[10:40:15] <judd> Packages gnome and libreoffice-base in jessie/amd64 are linked by 1 chains: gnome ▶ libreoffice-evolution ▶ libreoffice-base
1472[10:40:23] <babilen> judd: Because gnome (the metapackage) depends on it ^^
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1475[10:41:23] <MrRobot_> han-solo: r u there
1476[10:41:51] <julius_> babilen, sure....gnome depends on libreoffice
1477[10:41:59] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, when you could mount this device before, it asks you for a password?
1478[10:42:13] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: yes
1479[10:42:28] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: it used to ask me for root password
1480[10:42:30] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, it ask now?
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1484[10:43:29] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: when i try open it as i used to it shows dialogue box with error msg " unable to acess Data "
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1486[10:44:29] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: i always was able to open the said drive from gui
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1488[10:45:17] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: now after i write sudo mount /dev/sd2 ..... in terminal . i can acess this drive only after this command
1489[10:45:19] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, try to install a little program, anything like leafpad in the Synaptic just to see if it asks for the password
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1491[10:45:44] <babilen> julius_: The gnome package does
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1493[10:45:53] <babilen> dpkg: telll julius_ -about install gnome
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1495[10:45:58] <julius_> how stupid is that
1496[10:46:04] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: synaptics isnt opening
1497[10:46:18] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, ...
1498[10:46:23] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: synaptics isnt opening from gui
1499[10:46:46] <babilen> julius_: It essentially boils down to "What is Gnome?" and you opted to install the "gnome" metapackage which pulls in everything and the kitchen sink to provide a "complete" desktop experience
1500[10:46:47] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, open the Startup Applications in you gnome menu
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1502[10:47:16] <babilen> julius_: I'd recommend to install one of the smaller metapackages and explicitly mark those applications as manually installed that you want to keep
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1504[10:47:33] <babilen> julius_: Please refer to the private message our bot, dpkg, sent you
1505[10:47:44] <julius_> oh, sorry...did not see them
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1508[10:48:02] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: i did
1509[10:48:10] <julius_> hm ok, thanks
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1511[10:48:18] <babilen> dpkg: install gnome
1512[10:48:18] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
1513[10:48:21] <babilen> julius_: ^^^
1514[10:48:21] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: nothing happens after i click on synaptics
1515[10:48:31] <julius_> im gonna move /usr/lib/libreoffice for now, jsut to get some temporary space and /usr/share/doc
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1517[10:48:44] <babilen> julius_: I typically just go with 5. and take it from there
1518[10:49:01] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: nor i am able to gparted from gnome menu
1519[10:49:05] <babilen> julius_: No, the "gnome" package is meaningless .. it doesn't contain anything but dependencies
1520[10:49:05] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, i think you should reinstall your gnome metapackage
1521[10:49:16] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: how
1522[10:49:19] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, i think the problem is that the gnome arent asking you for a sudo password
1523[10:49:30] <babilen> julius_: The problem is that apt will remove other packages that are now "no longer needed" (as they were not manually installed and nothing depends on them)
1524[10:49:31] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, it happens to me once
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1526[10:49:47] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: how to reisntall gnome
1527[10:50:10] <babilen> julius_: So you have to tell the packaging system what you want to keep by explicitly installing those packages (apt install $PKG) or marking them as manually installed (apt-mark manual $PKG)
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1529[10:52:33] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: how to reisntall gnome
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1531[10:52:49] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, apt-get remove --purge gnome
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1533[10:53:09] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, then apt-get install gnome
1534[10:53:36] <babilen> Well .. that wouldn't do anything
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1536[10:53:58] <babilen> You'd rather want "apt-get --purge autoremove gnome" but even that might leave something behind
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1538[10:54:44] <maxcell_> babilen, the gnome arent asking him for a password to do things like mounting a device, all i can think of at the moment is reinstall in the hope the "new" gnome bring this feature
1539[10:55:09] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: i did
1540[10:55:27] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, apt-get autoremove now
1541[10:55:34] <babilen> Maybe gksu is not installed?
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1543[10:56:07] <urand0m> how do i fix these unmet dependencies and broken packages? replaced-url
1544[10:56:09] <maxcell_> babilen, hmm idk you probably right
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1546[10:56:17] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: still cannot open
1547[10:56:25] <babilen> dpkg: tell urand0m -about pastebin.com
1548[10:56:28] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: still cannot open gparted
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1551[10:56:47] <babilen> judd: v obs-studio
1552[10:56:48] <judd> Package: obs-studio on amd64 -- sid: 0.15.4+dfsg1-1; stretch: 0.15.4+dfsg1-1
1553[10:56:57] <babilen> dpkg: tell urand0m -about bat
1554[10:57:33] <maxcell_> babilen, he is doing apt-get remove --purge gnome inside of the gnome, thats normal?
1555[10:57:44] <babilen> maxcell_: No, that's not normal nor recommended
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1557[10:58:18] <babilen> MrRobot_: Ensure that gksu is installed and run "gksudo gparted"
1558[10:58:29] <babilen> Ah .. I guess you have to pass the device also
1559[10:58:31] <urand0m> babilen, replaced-url
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1563[10:59:17] <babilen> dpkg: bat
1564[10:59:17] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1565[10:59:29] <babilen> urand0m: The bot sent you this factoid ^^^ also.
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1568[10:59:48] <babilen> dpkg: show sources.list
1569[10:59:49] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
1570[10:59:54] <babilen> That would also come in handy
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1573[11:00:26] <urand0m> i showed the package i was trying to install.. osb-studio . i just omitted the username and sudo user input
1574[11:01:03] <MrRobot_> babilen: it prompted for password but why i cannot open from gnome
1575[11:01:10] <urand0m> im not sure i understand completely
1576[11:02:01] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, thats why im telling you to reinstall gnome itself to see if it works again
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1578[11:02:37] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: i wrote the commands u said
1579[11:02:51] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: still facing
1580[11:02:55] <MrRobot_> maxcell_: problems
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1582[11:03:04] <han-solo> do a reboot and see if it still persists
1583[11:03:08] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, but you didnt iven leave the gnome to uninstall thegnome
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1585[11:03:38] <babilen> urand0m: We need additional information about your setup and system to be able to help
1586[11:03:53] <babilen> urand0m: In particualr the apt-cache policy stuff and sources.list
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1589[11:04:41] <maxcell_> MrRobot_, restart you computer, log in another X window or press CTRL+ ALT + F2 log as root and re-run these commands before install the gnome again
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1593[11:07:04] <urand0m> babilen, i see. im running debian 8.5 jessie 64 bit ... here is my sources.list replaced-url
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1595[11:07:46] <babilen> urand0m: Okay .. and now "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy obs-studio obs-plugins" please
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1598[11:09:03] <themill> urand0m: mixing jessie and sid is unlikely to end well
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1600[11:09:23] <babilen> But to cut this short: obs-studio is not in jessie and it appears as if you also have testing and/or unstable in your sources. You really shouldn't mix stable with anything but backports. Read replaced-url
1601[11:09:28] <babilen> dpkg: ssb
1602[11:09:28] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1603[11:09:55] <tom99> hmmm
1604[11:10:29] <urand0m> babilen, here is the apt-cache policy replaced-url
1605[11:10:37] <tom99> fgg
1606[11:10:44] <urand0m> how do you check debian back ports?
1607[11:11:17] <urand0m> apt-get -b?
1608[11:11:23] <babilen> I already did, there is none .. I'd *strongly* recommend to remove sid from your sources.list ASAP
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1610[11:11:33] <babilen> bbl
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1612[11:11:49] <urand0m> babilen, okay thank you for the advice
1613[11:11:57] * urand0m removes sid
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1623[11:14:32] <Aaron> sid is for developer
1624[11:14:40] <Aaron> that know there way around
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1651[11:30:00] <zeephus> hihi
1652[11:32:29] <zeephus> well... two rabiis walked into an orthodox eastern christian church during lunch hour and ordered lox...
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1685[11:59:56] <bladeplate> Hi
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1715[12:12:15] <jvava> i just write a synergyc.service, when i try executing sudo systemctl start synergyc.service at the current directory, it failed to load, say no such file or directory, im new to systemd, please help
1716[12:12:34] <xand> where did you put that file?
1717[12:12:53] <jvava> my home directory, xand
1718[12:12:57] <xand> er
1719[12:13:17] <jvava> that's ok?
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1721[12:13:32] <xand> you have to put systemd service files in /lib/systemd/system/ and then run systemctl enable whatever.service
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1724[12:14:16] <jvava> oh, thank you, i will try, i just try put it in /etc/systemd/system/multiuser*/
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1728[12:15:07] <xand> when you use "systemctl enable" it creates a symlink in /etc/systemd/system/...
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1730[12:15:33] <jvava> i tried and it works, thand you, xand
1731[12:15:43] <jvava> thank you
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1733[12:17:15] <Guest> you can use grep to find files
1734[12:17:34] <jvava> i just do that
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1737[12:19:14] <jvava> the jessie's synergy version is too low, and i compile source and install newer, but no gui program work, so i make a service let it run
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1807[12:54:07] <jvava> hi, the synergyc have not started, systemctl status warning that secondary screen unavailable: unable open screen, so been killed with signal SEGV, i feel the after value which is network.target is not enough, right? can please tell me which target can assure working
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1823[13:04:13] <zeephus> et nomine super etlata
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1833[13:07:50] <mtcj> 100% agree
1834[13:08:39] <jvava> ok, graphical.target is answer
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1840[13:11:50] <molgrum> dist-upgrade says systemd will break rdnssd, dist-upgrade rdnssd says conflict with network-manager... don't know what to do
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1846[13:13:37] <Hindude> molgrum: what says aptitude safe-upgrade
1847[13:15:09] <molgrum> Hindude: it says it can upgrade packages and install new ones
1848[13:15:33] <molgrum> and remove some :)
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1851[13:18:17] <Hindude> what are the conflicts reported by aptitude safe-upgrade?
1852[13:18:21] <Hindude> And what are you upgrading?
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1854[13:18:43] <molgrum> Hindude: no conflicts... it's stretch
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1856[13:18:55] <Hindude> Oh
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1858[13:19:00] <molgrum> but these packages are not there, systemd/rdnssd/network-manager
1859[13:19:04] <Hindude> For stretch support please go to #debian-next on oftc
1860[13:19:07] <Hindude> !stretch
1861[13:19:07] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
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1863[13:19:14] <molgrum> aha, sorry then
1864[13:19:17] <Hindude> Np
1865[13:19:20] <Hindude> This is for stable
1866[13:19:22] <Hindude> :)
1867[13:19:34] <Hindude> We compartmentalized the support a few years ago
1868[13:19:46] <Hindude> This used to be the channel for stable/testing/sid
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1982[14:14:47] <michal_> how do I debug virtual machine not sending UDP packets?
1983[14:15:30] <michal_> it seems that's what I got because I do not see DNS queries and TFTP replies from the machine with tcpdump on either side of the connection
1984[14:15:45] <michal_> both sides are Debian
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1988[14:16:45] <AimHere> tcpdump/wireshark should pick up whether the packets are being sent too, shouldn't it?
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1990[14:17:32] <epsilon> as root/promisc mode yes
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1993[14:17:37] <michal_> well, it should
1994[14:18:07] <michal_> however, when I do 'host http.debian.net' I see no packets
1995[14:18:25] <michal_> with tcpdump -i eth0 port 53
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1998[14:20:00] <michal_> and the dns query times out
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2000[14:20:35] <michal_> so presumably it is trying to send packets somewhere but no packets go out
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2005[14:21:45] <han-solo> this may seem absurd, but did you check ppp0, since eth0 doesn't seems to be sending and receiving any
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2007[14:22:25] <michal_> I have no ppp0
2008[14:22:48] <michal_> it is a virtual machine talking over virtio/tun-tap
2009[14:22:53] <AimHere> Well check that you're on the right interface. I did just testdrive tcp myself, and it picks a default interface
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2011[14:23:10] <michal_> I have eth0 and lo
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2013[14:23:32] <michal_> and nameserver is not 127.0.0.1 so it should go out
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2017[14:23:57] <epsilon> if you ping 8.8.8.8, you see any icmp traffic on one of the interfaces?
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2023[14:25:42] <AimHere> Have you tried sending the UDP packets using a numeric address to see if the cause is the UDP, rather than the DNS query that's the issue?
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2029[14:27:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> is there even much one can debug?
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2033[14:27:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's mostly the configuration of the virtual network simulated by the virtual machine
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2047[14:32:11] <wanqcrypt> hi everybody
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2053[14:36:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> ah, you do not greet the ones without a body… I know many bots with a strong opinion on that
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2056[14:38:12] <michal_> hm, I dumped iptables and found there is a firewall script that can block outgoing traffic
2057[14:38:41] <michal_> it does not do so for TCP replies but it has problem with UDP it seems
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2059[14:40:08] <michal_> so added local network to ranges that are not to be processed and now the UDP traffic works as well
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2062[14:40:31] <han-solo> great
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2075[14:45:04] <michal_> should start making list of stuff installed on each machine I guess /o\
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2105[15:09:40] <DocMAX> hello, how can i get windows with xming on my windows?
2106[15:09:55] <DocMAX> i use putty x11 formwarding, but i get a big window
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2108[15:10:48] <towo`> configure your xming
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2110[15:10:55] <towo`> and that's not a debian issue
2111[15:11:48] <DocMAX> how can i configure it like that?
2112[15:12:00] <towo`> read the documentation
2113[15:12:07] <towo`> again, wrong channel
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2115[15:14:11] <jelly> towo`: at least point them to the RIGHT channel
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2118[15:16:00] <jelly> DocMAX: ##windows is for windows OS and apps, but it's hard to say now much they're going to know
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2121[15:16:39] <DocMAX> found it...
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2123[15:16:50] <DocMAX> its vcxsrv -multiwindow switch
2124[15:16:59] <DocMAX> thank you anyway
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2134[15:22:40] <garo> replaced-url
2135[15:22:56] <garo> are these still considered unstable or is my documentation out of date ?
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2198[15:50:16] <petn-randall> garo: Hard to say, since what you are referring to is not part of Debian. You can probably issue a bug report there so they can clarify it.
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2200[15:50:53] <duff> What is the best browser to use on a slow computer
2201[15:50:59] <RoyK> garo: try #zfsonlinux
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2203[15:51:32] <RoyK> duff: define "slow"
2204[15:51:47] <michal_> where is the signature for netboot installer images?
2205[15:51:50] <duff> dual core intel with 2gb of ram
2206[15:52:04] <RoyK> duff: anything should work well, really
2207[15:52:17] <michal_> duff: use any, restart it often
2208[15:52:19] <jmd> duff: emacs eww-mode
2209[15:52:21] <petn-randall> garo: A better way to install ZFS is via the zfs-dkms package, and zfsutils-linux, both available in jessie-backports.
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2212[15:53:16] <RoyK> petn-randall: damn - are those in backports now?
2213[15:53:26] <petn-randall> ,zfs-dkms
2214[15:53:29] <petn-randall> ,v zfs-dkms
2215[15:53:30] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.7-2~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.7-2; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.7-2
2216[15:53:39] <petn-randall> ,v zfsutils-linux
2217[15:53:40] <judd> Package: zfsutils-linux on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.7-2~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.7-2; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.7-2
2218[15:53:42] <RoyK> nice
2219[15:53:51] <michal_> I mean major full-featured browsers like Firefox or Chromium will work but will fill the RAM quickly. lightweight browsers might work for some sites and not others
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2222[15:54:28] <han-solo> lynx
2223[15:54:32] <michal_> Or to put it differently the alternative browsers are more likely to fail rendering something
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2225[15:54:57] <michal_> yeah, lynx is totally useful these days as general-purpose browser
2226[15:55:09] <han-solo> i use lynx everyday
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2228[15:55:30] <han-solo> i don't use any othe browsers, really :)
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2230[15:55:46] <michal_> If you carefully pick the pages lynx works, sure
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2239[15:59:57] <michal_> hm, seems there aren't signatures on netboot images /o\
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2256[16:09:28] <jmd> Which is the most useless debian package?
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2273[16:18:25] <aguitel> tying to boot with usb debian-firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso in chromebook samsung 3 intel celeron ,but error say:setting up gfxboot , any tips
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2283[16:22:17] <OerHeks> funny aguitel .. you just stated you were booting ubuntu3
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2285[16:23:05] <aguitel> OerHeks, ubuntu and debian and fedora
2286[16:23:08] <aguitel> same error
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2332[16:43:32] <bbear> hello
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2341[16:45:33] <larjona> aguitel: debian 8.6 was published yesterday and I hope the cd images builds are available soon, I would wait and test with 8.6, or maybe you can try to install stretch (debian testing)
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2344[16:46:37] <Capum321> hello, a systemd service has onunitactivesec=2h 20 min and oncalendar=22:00 that means, in the end of 24 hours, will have 2 instance running?
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2351[16:49:39] <_abc_> Is replaced-url
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2353[16:50:29] <_abc_> I mean in accelerated mode. Also, is there a site which cuts down on the jungle of haze created by makers with 100s of names for the same thing? In this case Intel, but not only? In direct relation to debian running on them.
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2357[16:52:49] <_abc_> quoting that page: " Linux support for this eDRAM is expected in kernel version 3.12, by making the drm/i915 driver aware and capable of using it."
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2361[16:54:34] <AimHere> Current kernels in Debian are 3.16 for stable, and newer still for testing and unstable
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2364[16:55:07] <teraflops> _abc_: yeah. what's your issue?
2365[16:55:09] <AimHere> So if that expectation was fulfilled, then it'll be supported in Debian as part of the kernel
2366[16:55:37] <_abc_> I need to know if a certain low cost laptop on sale will run decent graphics accelerated debian.
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2369[16:56:01] <_abc_> So I can't just walk in with a stick and boot it, people get nervous from that although they run Mint on some display laptops
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2371[16:56:13] <_abc_> It has a N3050 cpu
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2374[16:56:41] <teraflops> debian supported all the intel HD cards I had
2375[16:56:55] <_abc_> Who the f* makes these crazy project names up at Intel? It's like WW2 era secret project names, made up of two unrelated words so they would bear no connection with the real subject.
2376[16:57:00] <teraflops> from intel hd3000 to 5xxx
2377[16:57:00] <_abc_> teraflops: nice!
2378[16:57:09] <AimHere> Given it's an intel card that's a few (but not many) years old, I'd be very surprised if it wasn't supported in Debian
2379[16:57:10] <_abc_> teraflops: this is on cpu integrated craphics.
2380[16:57:13] <_abc_> *graphics
2381[16:57:29] <teraflops> integrated ^
2382[16:58:31] <teraflops> _abc_: you want hw decoding for the video playback? use vaapi
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2384[16:59:00] <_abc_> No, I want VT-X to work and accelerated video so system load does not peak when I watch a youtube crappy video while doing something else.
2385[16:59:14] <_abc_> VT-X for vmware and android studio
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2387[16:59:26] <teraflops> you want vaapi
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2389[16:59:43] <_abc_> vaapi is not integrated in firefox etc right?
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2391[17:00:04] <teraflops> for the video^ also you may try modesetting if you still get tearing
2392[17:00:12] <_abc_> replaced-url
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2395[17:01:15] <_abc_> Are laptop celerons aggressively thermal throttled in laptops? They seem to use much more power in non laptop versions, 10 times as much TDP. Does this mean that one can tinker with better cooling and enable longer peaking on a laptop? Perhaps also tinker with the speed settings in linux?
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2397[17:01:40] <teraflops> _abc_: oh web browser, I have no idea sorry
2398[17:01:49] <_abc_> teraflops: that's what youtube runs in eh
2399[17:01:53] <_abc_> html5
2400[17:01:55] <teraflops> _abc_: not really
2401[17:02:01] <teraflops> use youtube-dl
2402[17:02:07] <Fjorgynn> why
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2404[17:02:23] <Fjorgynn> use mps-youtube
2405[17:02:27] <_abc_> I prefer to use what is already default, this is just something that needs to be there, android studio needs it more than youtube
2406[17:02:27] <Fjorgynn> you mean?
2407[17:02:27] <teraflops> lol
2408[17:03:00] <teraflops> Fjorgynn: sorry man not meant be offensive youtube-dl is better imo
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2412[17:04:11] <teraflops> _abc_: anyway as you can see theres no need to waste resources and generate heat using a web browser for watching youtube videos
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2414[17:05:52] <_abc_> teraflops: 6W tdp is not going to generate much heat
2415[17:06:50] <_abc_> So it's a cheap and cheerful reduced laptop on sale eh. What would you expect.
2416[17:06:50] <teraflops> I dont see the point of using a web browser for watching a youtube video sorry
2417[17:07:06] <_abc_> it's okay I see the point
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2473[17:27:08] <aguitel> larjona, what address this iso?
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2476[17:28:27] <larjona> replaced-url
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2482[17:30:46] <aguitel> larjona, chromebook work with wireless ,need non free firmware to work in iso
2483[17:31:22] <larjona> Mmm
2484[17:31:33] <aguitel> no ethernet
2485[17:31:41] <larjona> Wait a minute
2486[17:31:45] <aguitel> ok
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2491[17:33:23] <larjona> replaced-url
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2493[17:33:42] <larjona> The "stretch alpha7" ones
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2496[17:35:30] <aguitel> this :replaced-url
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2501[17:37:06] <larjona> I guess yes
2502[17:37:25] <aguitel> ok
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2550[17:59:17] <iamawesome> Hi, which software is used for firewall on debian?
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2552[17:59:49] <SOUL_OF_R00T> try iptables !
2553[18:00:45] <iZ6S82> Hello, what do I need to specify in the pppd config to enable ipv6 (nat64)? I've tried with +ipv6 , ipcp-accept-local , ipcp-accept-remote , ipv6cp-use-ipaddr , ipv6cp-use-persistent . I've added also debug to the config but with no results...
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2577[18:05:07] <hseg> Is it OK if I ask a Knoppix question here? For some reason, when my monitor is supposedly "asleep", it is instead actively displaying a black screen (i.e., the indicator light shows that the monitor is on, the monitor is brighter than when it's off, etc.) Ideas why this is the case?
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2579[18:05:36] <RoyK> iamawesome: ufw is easy and good
2580[18:05:40] <somiaj> !knoppix
2581[18:05:40] <dpkg> Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. replaced-url
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2583[18:06:07] <somiaj> hseg: sounds like you already know the answer to that question about asking knoppix questions here.
2584[18:06:28] <somiaj> hseg: but sounds like you are seeing xorg (or console) blanking which is differnt than dpms putting the monintor to sleep.
2585[18:06:35] <hseg> Ah. A man can hope, can't he?
2586[18:07:07] <hseg> Right, which is why I suspected that going to a more active channel for a similar distro would be ok.
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2588[18:07:31] <somiaj> hseg: ##linux is the channel for generic linux support (not tired around a specific distro)
2589[18:07:46] <RoyK> iamawesome: ftr, ufw is an iptables wrapper - there's really one firewall in linux, it's netfilter, in the kernel, which can be administered by using iptables of nftables, and ufw is an iptables wrapper
2590[18:07:50] <hseg> And yes, that's precisely what it looks like on my end.
2591[18:08:04] <hseg> somiaj: OK, thanks, I'll check it out.
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2597[18:10:18] <iZ6S82> bump Hello, what do I need to specify in the pppd config to enable ipv6 (nat64)? I've tried with +ipv6 , ipcp-accept-local , ipcp-accept-remote , ipv6cp-use-ipaddr , ipv6cp-use-persistent . I've added also debug to the config but with no results...
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2602[18:11:46] <iamawesome> RoyK: You said: "iptables of nftables" ?
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2607[18:13:36] <RoyK> iamawesome: just two different interfaces, nftable is the new shit. iptables works well
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2609[18:14:13] <surfist> can one merely substitute the word nftables over iptables ? esp in scripts?
2610[18:14:26] <surfist> e.q. not rewrite all yer stuff
2611[18:14:27] <RoyK> no, different syntax
2612[18:14:31] <surfist> drat
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2614[18:14:43] <surfist> enter sed
2615[18:15:13] <surfist> take the coffee away from them
2616[18:15:14] <RoyK> replaced-url
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2618[18:16:48] <RoyK> I was wrong - seems nftables is a wee bit more than just a new interface to netfilter replaced-url
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2620[18:18:22] <RoyK> anyway - if you just want a firewall, easy to configure and use, I'd say ufw (which uses iptables)
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2622[18:18:39] <RoyK> nftables seems to have a lot more, but I haven't read up enough about it yet
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2635[18:23:53] <gebruiker> guys is there an program that auto updates my debian stable install_
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2638[18:25:30] <RoyK> gebruiker: unattended-upgrades
2639[18:25:39] <RoyK> ,v unattended-upgrades
2640[18:25:40] <judd> Package: unattended-upgrades on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.79.5+wheezy2; wheezy: 0.79.5+wheezy2; jessie: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; stretch: 0.86.5+build1; sid: 0.92
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2642[18:26:41] <RoyK> gebruiker: it can be configured to only download them (default) or only do security fixes or whatever else, and perhaps autoreboot your box at night (or noon or whatever) if you want that
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2645[18:27:57] <gebruiker> RoyK, interesting, does it work on time / what if the computer is turned off would it still adhere to a schedule?
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2648[18:28:56] <gebruiker> RoyK, can it function like windows update, in the sense it will continue to work when the pc is booted up
2649[18:29:32] <RoyK> obviously, if the machine is off, the OS isn't running and can't do much :P
2650[18:30:10] <RoyK> just install it and look at the config, or google a ibt
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2653[18:30:25] <RoyK> I'm using it on several machines
2654[18:30:29] <RoyK> never had an issue so far
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2660[18:35:32] <RoyK> surfist: seems like there are a few things on youtube about it too
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2669[18:39:17] <atralheaven> hi, with gnome-terminal, I disable showing of menubar, but each time I open another terminal its visible again. im using debian 8 stable
2670[18:39:55] <pingfloyd> atralheaven: where did you disable it?
2671[18:40:38] <atralheaven> pingfloyd: terminal menubar > view > unchecking the show menubar
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2673[18:40:45] <pingfloyd> atralheaven: did you uncheck show menubar and also change in preferences?
2674[18:40:54] <pingfloyd> also changed it in preferences?
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2677[18:41:17] <atralheaven> no, I didn't check preferences
2678[18:41:30] <atralheaven> so I should set it there, thanks :)
2679[18:41:35] <pingfloyd> try that
2680[18:41:39] <atralheaven> I have another problem with debian too
2681[18:41:44] <pingfloyd> I'm using xfce4-terminal myself
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2687[18:43:29] <atralheaven> actually I had this problem for a long time, my laptop brightness has some problems, the one that I cared about was that the brightness was never at its top level, it was always one level lower.
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2689[18:44:14] <atralheaven> after seeing arch wiki, I found something and tested it on ubuntu, it fixed all of brightness problems!
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2691[18:44:24] <atralheaven> but it doesn't work here on debian, idk why...
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2693[18:45:29] <atralheaven> on /etc/default/grub file, I added "acpi_backlight=video" to one of its lines, and it fixed all of the problems on ubuntu
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2695[18:45:37] <atralheaven> on debian it doesn't work
2696[18:45:41] <atralheaven> I wonder why
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2698[18:46:00] <atralheaven> both are using grub2
2699[18:46:04] <RebelCoderW> Guys, a quick one - what is the best way to see, why laptop is freezing sometimes, and needs a hard-restart ? Is there a LOG generated, that I can share with you or on the forum so I can get help ?
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2704[18:46:51] <atralheaven> I use debian stable and that solution worked on ubuntu 16.04.
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2730[19:00:56] <ksft> My computer just stopped working completely until I turned it off and on again.
2731[19:01:01] <ksft> I have no idea what caused it.
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2733[19:01:16] <ksft> like the screen froze
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2736[19:01:46] <aaro> atralheaven, try acpi_backlight=vendor
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2741[19:03:48] <RoyK> surfist: seems nftables isn't in jessie - you'd have to use backports - not recommended unless you really need it
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