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• 4[00:01:02] <_mirko_> hi is there a kde 4 package in debian repos which is maintained?
• 5[00:01:26] <tom99> how can he be running gentoo in a chroot?
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• 7[00:01:41] <tom99> Is it running debian kernel with gentoo files? o_o
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• 10[00:03:00] <lurkashflake> I am no expert but the gentoo kernel isn't just debian but with less options? xD haha no idea
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• 12[00:03:47] <jhutchins> lurkashflake: Nope. Completely different build, sometimes customized for a specific install.
• 13[00:04:15] <jhutchins> lurkashflake: At some point up stream the kernels do converge, but each distro uses differnt build option and patch sets.
• 14[00:04:17] <lurkashflake> So their libraries aren't using the same kernel's options at all
• 15[00:04:17] <`Kevin> xreal: docker + apline linux :P
• 16[00:04:23] <lurkashflake> ok
• 17[00:04:24] <tom99> As I understand it a chroot is running your own kernel but on a new artificial filesystem
• 18[00:04:47] <jhutchins> tom99: Yes, that's correct.
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• 20[00:05:10] <tom99> so idk, maybe gentoo is based on debian or something
• 21[00:05:16] <tom99> so that's how it sort of worked
• 22[00:05:23] <jhutchins> tom99: Except that it's only the "file system stops at /" that's artificial.
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• 24[00:05:44] <jhutchins> tom99: No, it's still linux, so there's some compatibility, but you can also have a trainwreck.
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• 26[00:06:03] <tom99> jhutchins: could you have wheezy and run jessie in a chroot or vice versa?
• 27[00:06:12] <jhutchins> After all, the packages each one uses are from the up stream projects, so they're meant to run on the Linux kernel.
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• 29[00:07:01] <jhutchins> tom99: Yeah, I've done the dual-boot thing when the Intel video driver was hosed, and I just kept updating in chroot whenever a new version came out until it fixed it.
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• 33[00:07:28] <tom99> jhutchins: fascinating
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• 37[00:08:12] <RobinC> the chroots for different debian versions are awesome when you use the various dpkg chroot builders for cross building across releases. So your dev machine can target and build for releases you are not on
• 38[00:08:19] <jhutchins> Part of it is that user space and kernel space are separate.
• 39[00:09:11] <jhutchins> RobinC: At one point CentOS had scripts that would set up the chroot environment, build a package in it, then optionally tear it down.
• 40[00:09:37] <jhutchins> RobinC: Dunno if they still do that, haven't had to build on CentOS in a while.
• 41[00:09:40] <RobinC> dpkg-buildpackage does not
• 42[00:09:43] <RobinC> *that
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• 44[00:10:06] <berndj> does anyone know what's up with openbve? (both in general and its status as a debian package)
• 45[00:10:14] <tom99> so can you cross-compile for some weird system from a wheezy chroot on debian jessie?
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• 49[00:11:19] <jhutchins> tom99: Where do you think new software comes from? At some point it has to be compiled, and that has to be on a running system, and if this is the first use on a new architecture it has to be cross-compiled.
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• 51[00:11:21] <proggry> hi
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• 55[00:11:49] <proggry> How can I force fsck check (on next boot)? I got Debian Jessie, hence systemd, so the old /forcefsck file trick wouldn't work anymore.
• 56[00:11:52] <tom99> jhutchins: That is a logical loophole
• 57[00:11:53] <RobinC> so you can run stable and say build for testing or experimental or any other combination. Some of the main reason is so you build in a 100% clean environment that is re-created from scratch which is essential if you are releasing debs to the repositories
• 58[00:11:58] <jhutchins> tom99: THe more divergent the platforms, the harder it is, but that's one of the fun things about build-your-own softwarea.
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• 61[00:12:40] <jhutchins> proggry: You can check the systemd docs, but systemd does a preliminary fsck by default.
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• 65[00:13:03] <proggry> jhutchins: oh cool, so I don't have to force anything then
• 66[00:13:21] <jhutchins> RobinC: Which was the logic of setting up and tearing down the chroot every time.
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• 68[00:13:48] <RobinC> aye
• 69[00:14:21] <`Kevin> proggry: try sudo touch /forcefsck
• 70[00:14:27] <`Kevin> ah
• 71[00:14:29] <`Kevin> nvm ;)
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• 77[00:16:27] <`Kevin> proggry: you can edit the kernel cmd line @ grub appending fsck.mode=force
• 78[00:17:26] <`Kevin> replaced-url
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• 80[00:18:29] <CuteMeOwnThroat> urgh
• 81[00:19:19] <proggry> hm
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• 83[00:20:09] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, forcefsck
• 84[00:20:10] <dpkg> To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line.
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• 86[00:20:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> -F seems obsolete, too
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• 95[00:23:09] <CuteMeOwnThroat> nice that systemd makes life easier
• 96[00:23:25] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and oh well… guess booting into singleuser mode and doing it manually is the better bet anyway
• 97[00:23:44] <`Kevin> :P
• 98[00:24:10] <`Kevin> some backwards compatibility with old methods would be nice
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• 144[00:49:07] <CuteMeOwnThroat> `Kevin, I always hated kernel boot parameters
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• 167[01:00:29] <xpkill23> sorry serach debian german
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• 183[01:10:46] <mal__> Good afternoon, I have a netbook with debian 8.5 jessie that boots on CLI
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• 185[01:11:02] <mal__> and I would like to know how to connect to wifi
• 186[01:11:27] <mal__> most of the tutorials and articles I find refer to commands that do not seem to exist in my system and that i cannot install
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• 190[01:13:13] <CuteMeOwnThroat> you most likely need firmware for it
• 191[01:14:05] <mal__> CuteMeOwnThroat: if I do "ip a" the interface seems to appear as wlan0 correctly, I can also connect through ethernet by just plugging the cable in
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• 193[01:14:23] <mal__> but there should be a way to, you know, selected the BSSID and input password
• 194[01:14:31] <tom99> mal__: That's why I don't use tutorials, I just come here and say debian is crap, how do you even get the wifi connection to work
• 195[01:14:48] <tom99> Selecting the BSSID and inputting the wifi password is so much easier in gentoo
• 196[01:14:55] <tom99> How are you even supposed to do it in debian?!
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• 198[01:15:17] <SOUL_OF_R00T> i sugest integration between network and systemd
• 199[01:15:26] <tom99> Then hopefully somebody answers and you're done
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• 201[01:15:41] <mal__> tom99: let's see now
• 202[01:15:43] <mal__> heh
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• 204[01:16:12] <tom99> mal__: it's all about the approach. you have to make it sound like if they can't tell you how to do it, then debian is just GARBAGE
• 205[01:16:27] <CuteMeOwnThroat> mal__, did you use one of the non-official install images with firmware or install firmware afterwards?
• 206[01:16:28] <tom99> that way you get everybody trying to out nerd each other to help you
• 207[01:16:49] <SilverWhitefish> WARNING: Terminal is not fully functional.
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• 215[01:18:59] <mal__> CuteMeOwnThroat: I have installed debian through net install with LXDE, then altered grub to boot straight to cli as I am using this as a sort of server
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• 218[01:19:47] <CuteMeOwnThroat> mal__, do you see your card with lspci -nn? If so, can you tell me the pciid which looks like [8076:1234]
• 219[01:19:57] <mal__> ok
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• 221[01:20:26] <mal__> Wireless network adapter
• 222[01:20:38] <mal__> Qualcom Atheros Ar9285 must be this one
• 223[01:21:00] <mal__> 168c:002b
• 224[01:21:12] <mal__> CuteMeOwnThroat: is this what you asked for ?
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• 226[01:21:25] <CuteMeOwnThroat> judd, pciid 168c:002b
• 227[01:21:26] <judd> [168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath9k' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 234[01:22:33] <CuteMeOwnThroat> that seems to need firmware-atheros
• 235[01:23:45] <mal__> CuteMeOwnThroat: why do you think I do not have the firmware already in =?
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• 237[01:24:25] <CuteMeOwnThroat> the short answer or the long answer
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• 239[01:25:16] <mal__> heh
• 240[01:25:19] <mal__> short?
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• 242[01:25:24] <CuteMeOwnThroat> ha, factoids… I don't feel like typing long answers
• 243[01:25:39] <CuteMeOwnThroat> short: "it's the most common cause/problem". long answer is why that is
• 244[01:25:41] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, firmware
• 245[01:25:42] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
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• 248[01:26:28] <CuteMeOwnThroat> or short: firmware's been taken out of debian, i.e. debian main and classified as non-free because there is no source for it
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• 251[01:28:04] <mal__> CuteMeOwnThroat: I can use wifi perfectly with this system when LXDE is loaded,
• 252[01:28:14] <mal__> CuteMeOwnThroat: which leads me to believe I do not have such a problem
• 253[01:28:28] <CuteMeOwnThroat> well, you didn't say that
• 254[01:28:33] <mal__> I did sir
• 255[01:28:41] <mal__> or maybe i didn't
• 256[01:28:46] <mal__> But I did now
• 257[01:28:47] <mal__> jaja
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• 260[01:29:11] <mal__> my question was never how to make wifi adapter work, but how to use it through CLI
• 261[01:29:40] <mal__> since instructions use commands such as iwlist that do not seem to be available
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• 264[01:30:19] <mal__> wait, iwlist is available with sudo
• 265[01:30:29] <CuteMeOwnThroat> you can use apt-file to search for commands not present
• 266[01:30:50] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh yes, it's /sbin/iwlist and sbin is only in the PATH of root
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• 268[01:31:15] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and I'd stick with network manager for wifi
• 269[01:31:26] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and actually I did do that with this laptop
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• 272[01:32:06] <mal__> sorry "network manager" ?
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• 274[01:32:20] <CuteMeOwnThroat> the thing lxde and other DEs use
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• 276[01:32:32] <Olof_szary> ok, I know what was the error with Xorg, but i do not know how to fix it
• 277[01:33:01] <mal__> CuteMeOwnThroat: yes, but I boot on cli
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• 279[01:33:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> if you really want, you can configure them in /etc/network/interfaces … but if it's a laptop and you connect to a lot of wifis on conferences or whatnot, it's …
• 280[01:33:26] <Olof_szary> when I typed modprobe nvidia-current-modeset it works ok. but normally modprobe is unable to load nvidia-modeset
• 281[01:33:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> well, "man 5 interfaces" documents the file
• 282[01:34:01] <Olof_szary> and this is the default behaviour. Anyone knows how to fix/workaround this?
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• 285[01:35:02] <mal__> CuteMeOwnThroat: is there a simple command to say connect tothisESSID with thispassword ?
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• 287[01:36:18] <llldino> Hey folks, so I'm trying to add a remote directory hosted on my server to my client computer. I'm using sshfs, and mounting a dir owned by bob on the server computer. Bob is only allowed to connect via sftp, and is chroot jailed in and has no access to a shell. I thought sshfs works with sftp and not direct ssh access. Is this true?
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• 289[01:36:27] <CuteMeOwnThroat> unfortunately documentation is a bit more spread out, because commands for connected programs are configured there, too
• 290[01:36:33] <Olof_szary> mal__: if you are using network manager, it creates the default files for each network you have connected. Otherwise you may try from commandline iwconfig
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• 292[01:37:35] <CuteMeOwnThroat> mal__, no, it has to be configured in the interfaces file first. maybe there is now some network-manager way that doesn't use a graphical frontend, but I haven't done that
• 293[01:37:37] <mal__> Olof_szary: how do I use iwconfig to login ?
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• 295[01:38:56] <mal__> CuteMeOwnThroat: I am editing the etc/network/interfaces looking around how to add ESSID + PASS
• 296[01:39:12] <CuteMeOwnThroat> there should be some examples for common uses around
• 297[01:39:30] <Olof_szary> mal__: i got in the middle of the talk, so I am not sure if I am answering your question correctly, iwconfig wlan0 essid "whatever" key ....
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• 299[01:39:48] <bhurstpdx1> what would happen if you concatenated a file to an existing charatcter special file?
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• 301[01:40:22] <tom99> [18:30] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh yes, it's /sbin/iwlist and sbin is only in the PATH of root
• 302[01:40:40] <tom99> Man the $PATH variable is sooo much easier to use on gentoo and slackware.
• 303[01:40:52] <mal__> Olof_szary: that looks like I want to do, but I did not understand where and how the wildcards are located in the command you just wrote
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• 307[01:41:23] <mal__> Olof_szary: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "nameofessidjustlikethis?" key "key?"
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• 310[01:43:14] <Olof_szary> mal__: read the man for iwconfig to better understand how to pass the key, because there are several possibilities
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• 312[01:43:40] <mal__> Olof_szary: any reccomendations?
• 313[01:44:04] <Olof_szary> mal__: it's been 3 years since I used command-line iwconfig, sorry
• 314[01:44:14] <Olof_szary> don't remember much
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• 316[01:45:02] <somiaj> tom99: can you please stay on topic. The noise of 'it is so much better on gentoo/slackware' are not helpful in resolving the issue the user is having.
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• 318[01:45:36] <mal__> ok thank you
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• 320[01:45:49] <Olof_szary> one question before i boot, because I am not sure if I understood man modprobe.d correctly.
• 321[01:45:58] <tom99> somiaj: I figured nobody could pastebinit or paste their $PATH. it's just easier on other linux systems
• 322[01:46:07] <tom99> somiaj: guess i was right!
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• 328[01:47:04] <Olof_szary> adding to any .conf file the line "alias nvidia-modeset nvidia-current-modeset" will result in the behavour, that calling modprobe nvidia-modeset
• 329[01:47:19] <Olof_szary> will in fact call modprobe nvidia-current-modeset
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• 337[01:49:15] <Olof_szary> mal__: it was in 2008 in fact, when I was using gentoo. the only thing I remember is that the key part is most tricky one
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• 339[01:50:06] <Olof_szary> +, if you have several repetears with the same ssid, you may choose additional options to determine where to connect
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• 347[01:53:40] <mal__> Ok I solved my problem
• 348[01:53:47] <mal__> editing etc/network/interfaces
• 349[01:53:49] <mal__> adding
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• 352[01:54:32] <mal__> allow-hotplug wlan0
• 353[01:54:32] <mal__> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
• 354[01:54:32] <mal__> wpa-ssid MYESSID
• 355[01:54:32] <mal__> wpa-psk MYPASS
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• 360[01:55:02] <mal__> sorry
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• 363[01:55:23] <mal__> #flood
• 364[01:55:34] <surfist> mal__ are you trying to connect to a wifi?
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• 366[01:55:41] <mal__> I already did
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• 368[01:55:50] <mal__> on a debian jessie that boots to cli
• 369[01:55:50] <surfist> wpa_supplicant is fun
• 370[01:56:01] <surfist> I can't stand NetworkManager
• 371[01:56:05] <surfist> I kill it
• 372[01:56:11] <mal__> I just edited etc/network/interfaces with the info above
• 373[01:56:11] <surfist> and use wpa_cli
• 374[01:57:11] <jmcnaught> on Jessie NetworkManager has nmtui (ncurses interface). One can also use a command like "nmcli device wifi connect SSID PASSWORD"
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• 376[01:57:23] <surfist> wpa_gui is fun too
• 377[01:57:34] <surfist> it edits wpa_supplicant-root.conf
• 378[01:57:37] <mal__> thank you guys
• 379[01:57:43] <surfist> which can also be done by hand
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• 381[02:01:07] <jmcnaught> personally i don't think /e/n/interfaces is a very usable wifi solution for portable computers
• 382[02:01:59] <surfist> I never mess with it... too much noise
• 383[02:02:04] <surfist> clunky
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• 455[02:36:20] <pingfloyd> for a laptop you need something more dynamic
• 456[02:36:57] <pingfloyd> if it's a system that sits on the same network all of the time, then not so much.
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• 458[02:38:16] <javak> Is booting Debian from just one zfs formatted gpt disk (without separate boot partition) possible?
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• 461[02:39:38] <tom99> ah a neat trick, one can append || true to a command to make sure it returns true
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• 466[02:46:45] <somiaj> tom99: exit 0 also works nicely in scripts.
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• 469[02:48:16] <somiaj> javak: I'm unsure on the state of zfs in linux, is it bootable without a seperate /boot partition on any distro? If so I would say you could also do it in debian.
• 470[02:49:22] <somiaj> jmcnaught: with aliases it can actually work nicely, though I prefer wpa_supplicant these days (Which I configure to run in a daemon mode via the interfaces file).
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• 477[02:50:54] <somiaj> jmcnaught: i.e. I use to do 'ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0=alias' to bring up/down different wireless networks. wpa_suppliant will automatically change networks for you though (just FYI as I know this was another users issue)
• 478[02:50:55] <tom99> alright, to test the BS man pages I tried editing the /etc/network/interfaces. let's see what the res ult
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• 484[02:53:15] <tom99> well. i guess adding commands to the "stanzas" in /etc/network/interfaces does work
• 485[02:53:22] <tom99> You win this round linux manual pages
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• 518[03:08:31] <jmcnaught> somiaj: thanks for the follow up. maybe calling it unusable was a little strong :)
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• 525[03:13:31] <x86iac> are they selling hrc shoe she lost on ebay?
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• 529[03:16:34] <somiaj> x86iac: that is not a debian support question.
• 530[03:16:47] <x86iac> you sure?
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• 533[03:17:35] <th0r> somiaj, feed the troll and he will never leave
• 534[03:18:06] <x86iac> th0r: rude
• 535[03:18:25] <tom99> th0r: some trolling can be noble though. if you can troll someone into helping you with your debian problem for example
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• 539[03:19:55] <somiaj> lets just try to keep on the topic of debian support. If you have a support question please ask.
• 540[03:19:56] <x86iac> tom99: that is gonna need further explanation and example on your part
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• 544[03:22:52] <tom99> x86: it's quite simple. you want some help with your debian linux problem but nobody is saying anything
• 545[03:23:02] <tom99> So you just challenge them to PROVE that debian can do it.
• 546[03:23:12] <tom99> and voila, insecure internet nerds rush to help you out
• 547[03:23:31] <tom99> of course this applies to any technology anywhere
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• 550[03:25:28] <x86iac> what about the secure internet nerds? are they long gone?
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• 552[03:26:48] <tom99> no they might help you out. but i'm supposing you've already asked and they weren't around
• 553[03:27:00] <tom99> So you have to measure your options.
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• 556[03:27:41] <x86iac> that is why a little off topic friendly banter is good - it shows that the people are friendly and nice to deal with
• 557[03:28:45] <somiaj> a little is okay, but it is a signal to noise ratio and I don't see any support question and just lots of noise.
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• 560[03:29:28] <x86iac> true there aren't ANY support questions and thus you can't divide by zero
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• 562[03:30:18] <tom99> x86iac: my favorite is when you have a problem and channel a tells you it's offtopic and go to b, and chanel b tells you it's offtopic and go to a
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• 566[03:32:31] <ixor> is xfs better than ext4?
• 567[03:34:13] <x86iac> i vote yes ... but i use ext4
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• 569[03:34:28] <somiaj> ixor: in linux I suggest using ext4 mostly due to its a long standing well testing file system with the linux kernel. That being said, I've seen various benchmarks comparing file systemss and a lot depends on your actual use case if using a file system other than ext4 gives you a signficant improvment.
• 570[03:34:54] <ixor> hmm
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• 572[03:35:02] <x86iac> supercomputers mainly use xfs
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• 574[03:35:26] <ixor> why debian over freebsd?
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• 576[03:35:55] <x86iac> the girls
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• 578[03:36:12] <somiaj> x86iac: enough. If all you are going to contribute is noise, take it elsewhere.
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• 581[03:36:45] <x86iac> somiaj: hey buddy my answer was better then your arrogant answer so go fuck off ... hahahah not ban me putz
• 582[03:36:49] <somiaj> ixor: at some level it is personal choice, but if you have specific needs from your os you may find debian vs freebsd, one may serve you better.
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• 590[03:38:51] <ixor> hmm
• 591[03:39:02] <ixor> xfs I think I will go with it!
• 592[03:39:30] <somiaj> ixor: I don't know freebsd enough to give you any specifics, though debian does have a freebsd port, though I haven't used that either.
• 593[03:39:47] <ixor> freebsd has zfs but it seems to eat RAM
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• 595[03:40:12] <ixor> work uses centos 7 and has big 28T bunch of files of like data it needs ot parse and add to
• 596[03:40:22] <ixor> someone in ##C said try sqlite
• 597[03:40:33] <ixor> sqlite has 16T file limit
• 598[03:40:46] <ryouma> xfs might ave issues with shutdown upon power loss and such,
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• 600[03:41:21] <ryouma> at least wtih default settings
• 601[03:41:25] <somiaj> ixor: replaced-url
• 602[03:41:43] <ryouma> when i tested a bunch of fses long ago, they were all about the same
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• 604[03:42:17] <ixor> oh wait its ext4 has 16T file size limit
• 605[03:42:18] <ixor> sqlite is 140T
• 606[03:42:19] <ixor> wow
• 607[03:42:31] <ixor> woa
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• 614[03:44:55] <ixor> it seems some people write apps with a platoon of sqlite databases
• 615[03:45:00] <ixor> each with 2 file
• 616[03:45:03] <ixor> er 1
• 617[03:45:13] <ixor> and then the app weaves together results
• 618[03:45:31] <ixor> seems an interesting stratagy
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• 630[03:59:38] <tom99> these command line tools like git and diff are just terrible
• 631[04:00:00] <tom99> How are you supposed to even find the % difference between a set of files, say source1.tar.gz and source2.tar.gz?
• 632[04:00:00] <preaction> eh. they work pretty well for me
• 633[04:00:20] <preaction> why are you using a text-based diff tool to compare binary files?
• 634[04:00:25] <tom99> If it was fedora or slackware then telling the % change from one directory tree to another would be MUCH easier
• 635[04:00:42] <preaction> also, how can you compare gzipped files at all?
• 636[04:00:54] <tom99> But it's way too hard to do it on debian
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• 638[04:01:10] <preaction> i don't believe you, at all
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• 642[04:02:07] <tom99> well then prove it if you're so confident in git tools
• 643[04:02:29] <tom99> otherwise just let adults talk about how programming works
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• 657[04:15:09] <javak> somiaj, thanks.
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• 662[04:18:52] <leahcim___> Uh, aren't the exact same tools available for fedora, slackware and debian?
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• 665[04:19:20] <bazhang> which ones leahcim
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• 668[04:20:26] <bazhang> did you mean already to install via the package manager, or the source leahcim
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• 670[04:21:37] <mrrhq> I also personally haven't understood much about the diff syntax. But it's something you have to learn anyway at some point, I guess.
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• 672[04:22:24] <|Ubik|> I'm seeing a bunch of hash sum mismatch errors for security.debian.org, something gone south? :(
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• 679[04:25:54] <tom99> leahcim: no it's just impossible to measure % change of source code in a source tree
• 680[04:26:05] <tom99> debian makes it extra hard, i dare you to prove it can be done
• 681[04:28:43] <mrrhq> Percentage change of what unit? Bytes? Lines? Otherwise, percentage of something ambiguous doesn't make sense.
• 682[04:30:57] <laidback_01> yeah, I'm not a coder pro by any means. but what command are you running in some redhat variant that can't be run in debian?
• 683[04:31:17] <somiaj> tom99: no need to keep challenging the channel. It is just extra noise.
• 684[04:31:17] <laidback_01> and if you are saying it's something with the shell... just copy over the .bashrc or .cshrc configs, whatever.
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• 686[04:32:12] <laidback_01> cause really, debian isn't that far off from ubuntu, and neither debian or ubuntu are that far off from any of the rpm distrs.
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• 688[04:33:01] <laidback_01> most likely you need to better understand your tools before you blame an entire distro for making your life harder.
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• 690[04:34:10] <AvatarA> he probably has some tool/plugin installed by default in fedora that makes it easier, but not having something installed by default doesn't mean Debian's lacking
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• 692[04:35:50] <laidback_01> yeah, I usually am pretty disappointed with vim until I get my .vimrc out of repo so I can use it on the newly installed system.
• 693[04:36:10] <mrrhq> Oh yeah, Debian has vi by default instead of vim, too. Haha.
• 694[04:37:07] <somiaj> mrrhq: actually it has vim, just a vim-tiny compiled with a minial set of options.
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• 696[04:39:53] <somiaj> tom99: what is your question about debian? Are you looking for an answer to how do I get the % difference between to .tar.gz files?
• 697[04:40:11] <ixor> freebsd is nice
• 698[04:40:19] <ixor> debian seems nice enuf
• 699[04:40:25] <ixor> what the default shell?
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• 701[04:40:29] <ixor> dash or something?
• 702[04:40:38] <ghormoon> hi, is it possible to chain shutdown of multiple services in a way it will wait for full shutdown of one and then shutdown second and after that the rest like in normal shutdown?
• 703[04:40:38] <mrrhq> somiaj: Cool, but I don't remmeber vim-tiny providing /usr/bin/vim, only /usr/bin/vi. Could be bad memory though.
• 704[04:40:38] <ixor> Im kinda used to bash
• 705[04:40:43] <somiaj> ixor: bash for a user, dash for system stuff, like scripts.
• 706[04:41:04] <somiaj> mrrhq: yes the default on debian is just 'vi', but it really is just a minimiayly compiled vim.
• 707[04:41:06] <ixor> can you mount freebsd ufs on debian?
• 708[04:41:14] <ixor> I forgot
• 709[04:41:27] <somiaj> ixor: ufs?
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• 711[04:41:39] <mrrhq> Lots of people have different editors, so sometimes I just use "edit" instead. Lol.
• 712[04:42:08] <ixor> yes its basic filesystem on freebsd
• 713[04:42:13] <ixor> ufs
• 714[04:42:14] <somiaj> ghormoon: I'd ask in a systemd channel. I'm unsure if systemd can do that, but systemd understands dependcies. So maybe if you stop one it knows to stop the others first.
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• 716[04:42:32] <ghormoon> somiaj: trid that like 8h ago without reply so far :)
• 717[04:43:14] <somiaj> ghormoon: I'm unsure don't know systemd that well yet. But that is where I would look.
• 718[04:43:20] <ghormoon> the poin is that I shutdown VMs manually now and I was thinking if I could convert them to services to be able to do shutdown automatically in proper order
• 719[04:43:29] <somiaj> ixor: seems the linux kernel has a ufs module, so yes you will be able to mount ufs file systems.
• 720[04:43:48] <ixor> ah how nice
• 721[04:43:58] <somiaj> ghormoon: what do you use to manage your vms? libvirt?
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• 723[04:44:31] <ghormoon> plain qemu/kvm :)
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• 725[04:44:52] <ghormoon> I'll have to attach monitor to be able to do acpi shutdown I think, but that can be handled
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• 728[04:45:20] <ghormoon> the point is that I need one VM to shutdown last
• 729[04:45:26] <ghormoon> and then shutdown the hypervisor
• 730[04:45:46] <somiaj> ghormoon: I just use libvirt as a frontend to that. I was going to say maybe #virt on irc.oftc.net might have someone who has a solution for binrg up/down groups of vms.
• 731[04:45:59] <ghormoon> the hypervisoe is headless, there's no place for libvirt :)
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• 733[04:46:05] <bhurstpdx1> can anybody explain what these permissions mean? -rwxr-S--x
• 734[04:46:14] <crazyadm> have you guys heard of f5
• 735[04:46:23] <somiaj> ghormoon: virsh is cli, don't see how being headless affects that.
• 736[04:46:46] <ghormoon> also I'd likely have a bunch of problems regarding vga passthrough in my case if I used libvirt, I have qemu 2.5 patched with linux-input
• 737[04:47:24] <ghormoon> I reid libvirt long time ago when I was building this and it was a headache so I use plain qemu
• 738[04:47:43] <somiaj> anyways my suggestion was more along the lines of maybe there is a solution to this in some common software used to manage vms.
• 739[04:48:12] <somiaj> not that you need that software, but the info can be used to fit your setup.
• 740[04:48:29] <ghormoon> I'll try to investigate the services more in detail first, it makes most sense to me to use something that is already there
• 741[04:49:38] <somiaj> ghormoon: you just want this for a normal shutdown of the host, or you want to be able to bring up/down linked vms as service groups
• 742[04:50:02] <ghormoon> primary task is the shutdown so I don't have to manually shut den down before the hypervisor
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• 744[04:50:18] <AvatarA> bhurstpdx1, it's the set group id bit set, without the group execute
• 745[04:50:44] <ghormoon> it doesn't need to be a group per se, only dependence is that the "last" VM is the one that has the VGA and display
• 746[04:50:45] <ghormoon> :)
• 747[04:51:02] <ghormoon> so if I shut down that one first, it would forcibly kill the other qemu windows
• 748[04:51:15] <bhurstpdx1> AvatarA, thank you
• 749[04:51:19] <yokisuci> Does someone know what version of Uzbl that the's in the Deb Stretch repo? For some reason i can't check version with "--version", and all debian packages says is "Package: uzbl (0.0.0~git.20120514-1.2)"
• 750[04:51:41] <yokisuci> But guess that's not 0.9 that came this year?
• 751[04:51:50] <ghormoon> (the hypervisor also uses DISPLAY=VM_IP:0)
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• 755[04:54:36] <somiaj> ghormoon: think you could script this? If you just drop a script in /lib/systemd/system-shutdown/ (though I think /etc/systemd/system-shutdown is preferable on debian) it will run that script before it starts the shutdown process
• 756[04:54:39] <AvatarA> ghormoon, it should be relatively easy to achieve what you want with some .service files depending on each other
• 757[04:55:08] <somiaj> ghormoon: so you could have that script shut down every vm except the one with the vga connenction. Then only make the one with the vga connenction a service which will then get shutdown with the system after.
• 758[04:56:25] <ghormoon> AvatarA: that was what I was asking, if I can make every VM a service and force systemd to wait for some to shut down before starting shutdown of other
• 759[04:57:04] <AvatarA> and use ExecStart, ExecStop for the command to use when you systemctl start/stop vm1/2/3.service
• 760[04:58:01] <ghormoon> that is pretty straightforward, but I didn't understand if I can make the dependences work like I need
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• 764[04:59:16] <somiaj> ghormoon: use requires=, shutdown order is oposite of startup order. So if all your vms require vm#1 service. the vm#1 sevice won't be shutdown until all services that require it are shutdown.
• 765[04:59:42] <ghormoon> if that works on shutdown I think it will be exactly what I need
• 766[04:59:53] <ghormoon> I hope this works if I increase the shutdown timeouts though :)
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• 770[05:00:25] <somiaj> oh wait, just read the documentation, replaced-url
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• 775[05:01:55] <ghormoon> seems before will do the work
• 776[05:02:01] <tom99> somiaj: my question is given two directory trees how to find the diff stats from one to the other as a %
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• 778[05:02:12] <tom99> i.e. the % of l ines that are different or the % of files that are different
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• 780[05:02:23] <tom99> might be a better question for #bash but nobody there answered
• 781[05:02:24] <ghormoon> I won't manage startup because I do that manually based on need (and also it will work after logging in the VGA VM anyway, so it's pointless to try to script)
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• 785[05:05:43] <AlwaysHigh> Is there anyway to make copied files to a directory inherit its parents permissions im copying from one computer to another via rsync?
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• 787[05:06:18] <AlwaysHigh> so everything folder/file in that directory conforms to 755 and 644?
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• 790[05:08:13] <AvatarA> what do you mean inherit parent permission?
• 791[05:08:38] <AvatarA> that makes me think you want the files to have the same permissions as their parent directory and it doesn't seem right
• 792[05:08:48] <AlwaysHigh> well i have a directoy called data and i want everything that gets sent to that directoy to get standard permissions
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• 794[05:08:58] <AlwaysHigh> well no
• 795[05:09:06] <somiaj> tom99: unsure of a tool that does just that. diff and its counter parts seem to be able to be used in various ways. Such as this method for comparing tow files replaced-url
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• 798[05:09:22] <AlwaysHigh> i want those file files to have 644 and the directories to have 755 but automaticly inherit them
• 799[05:09:38] <AlwaysHigh> instead of having to chmod every new item manually
• 800[05:10:00] <somiaj> AlwaysHigh: what is the rsync command you are typing?
• 801[05:10:07] <stoned> AlwaysHigh: high
• 802[05:10:17] <somiaj> AlwaysHigh: seems you are telling rsync ot preserve permissions, you dn't have to include that flag.
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• 804[05:10:42] <stoned> AlwaysHigh: for inheritence you'd need to setup +S on the parent directory
• 805[05:10:44] <AlwaysHigh> rsync -v -r -progress -e 'ssh -p 22' /cygdrive/G/data/ alwayshigh@192.168.0.18:/pool0/data/
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• 807[05:11:07] <stoned> I think. I'm a little stoned.
• 808[05:12:27] <somiaj> AlwaysHigh: I don't see why that is preserving permissions, it doesn't have the -p or --perms flag. Do y ou have a config file or alias adding extra flags to rsync?
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• 811[05:13:11] <AlwaysHigh> somiaj, doubt it since i dont know anything of that :P
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• 813[05:13:22] <AlwaysHigh> rsync has --chmod
• 814[05:13:42] <AlwaysHigh> but it doesnt state u can diferentiate between files and folders
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• 816[05:14:16] <somiaj> AlwaysHigh: yea I just checked, even with out the -p rsync was preserving permisions vs default here too. I'm going to invesgiate some more
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• 818[05:14:27] <AlwaysHigh> :P
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• 820[05:14:49] <AvatarA> well chmod has +X to only set x on directories
• 821[05:14:50] <AlwaysHigh> is that linux to linux or windows to linux
• 822[05:14:56] <AvatarA> I wonder if it works in rsync --chmod
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• 829[05:18:06] <AlwaysHigh> well
• 830[05:18:31] <AlwaysHigh> if i add files thru rysnc too it changes the parents permissions to what they are set too
• 831[05:18:39] <AlwaysHigh> keeps setting to 770
• 832[05:18:41] <AlwaysHigh> :/
• 833[05:21:09] <somiaj> AlwaysHigh: add --chmod=ugo=rwX (i'm unsure why this is needed in addition to not using the --perms flag (or the --no-perms flag))
• 834[05:21:35] <somiaj> AlwaysHigh: the man page says which ensures that all non-masked bits get enabled
• 835[05:21:36] <AlwaysHigh> aite ill see how that goes
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• 837[05:22:22] <somiaj> AlwaysHigh: note this will only effect teh creation of new files. Any existing files on the dest will keep their permisions (not be changed)
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• 839[05:22:37] <AvatarA> also from man page --chmod=D775,F664
• 840[05:22:42] <AvatarA> D for dir, F for file
• 841[05:22:49] <AvatarA> and check your "umask"
• 842[05:23:23] <AlwaysHigh> still new dont know what umask is exactly
• 843[05:23:33] <AvatarA> type umask in terminal
• 844[05:23:35] <AlwaysHigh> ive seen it come up when looking to resolve this on
• 845[05:23:48] <AvatarA> should be 0022 for what you need
• 846[05:23:52] <AlwaysHigh> yep
• 847[05:23:52] <somiaj> AlwaysHigh: that will work too. I'm unsure why the chmod option I gave is needed, but what the one I gave does uses the default mask. Yours forces the files and directorys to have specific permisions.
• 848[05:24:14] <AvatarA> also check umask on destination machine
• 849[05:24:25] <AvatarA> I think the destination umask matters here
• 850[05:24:42] <AlwaysHigh> both 0022
• 851[05:24:50] <AlwaysHigh> but im using cygwin
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• 853[05:25:19] <somiaj> that doens't sound like debian. (: Anyways seems you have some solutions.
• 854[05:25:50] <AlwaysHigh> yeah im sending files via cygwin rysnc on windows to debian server
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• 857[05:26:43] <AlwaysHigh> cool that one worked
• 858[05:27:26] <somiaj> figured it would, I tested it here first. (:
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• 860[05:28:02] <AlwaysHigh> :P
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• 872[05:34:26] <tom99> somiaj: thanks
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• 879[05:39:35] <tom99> was it established why rsync was doing weird permissions thing?
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• 966[06:47:00] <darkmatter> im looking for a web based management interface to manage my debian 8 system
• 967[06:47:12] <darkmatter> im aware there is webmin, but im wondering if there is anything more tailored to debian
• 968[06:48:11] <somiaj> many don't trust webmin
• 969[06:48:12] <somiaj> !webmin
• 970[06:48:12] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
• 971[06:48:29] <somiaj> !free whcp
• 972[06:48:29] <dpkg> FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. replaced-url
• 973[06:49:01] <somiaj> that wiki has a list of some provided by debian. You can also /msg dpkg DTC (for example) to find info about that one
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• 998[07:01:37] <no_gravity> When you guys go "ping -c100 -i0.1 <ip_of_your_router>" what amount of packet loss do you get?
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• 1002[07:03:33] <somiaj> getting this loss of wired or wifi connenction?
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• 1004[07:04:21] <no_gravity> Wifi
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• 1006[07:05:21] <somiaj> you getting a lot of packet loss? which ban is this on? sometimes you can change the channel and get less interferance from other devices.
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• 1008[07:05:50] <no_gravity> somiaj: Yup. Was just wondering what others get.
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• 1013[07:08:52] <mtcj> What is some advice for diagnosing glx crashes?
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• 1038[07:30:48] <no_gravity> I always wonder why Google maps is at replaced-url
• 1039[07:32:40] <somiaj> here maps.google.com just redirects to replaced-url
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• 1063[07:58:49] <ffilozov> When reading some of the mailing list archives (looking at debian-embedded, for example), there seems to be a lot of spam. Is this a known problem?
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• 1134[08:30:56] <ironmatter> replaced-url
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• 1242[09:18:06] <mtcj> Where can I find x
• 1243[09:18:20] <mtcj> dpkg: where can I find x
• 1244[09:18:21] <dpkg> i heard x is the X Window System. See <xorg> for information about the actual implementation.
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• 1247[09:18:50] <mtcj> dpkg: wtf
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• 1269[09:31:40] <CQ> what are the build tools called? make, automake, gcc, etc... is there a metapackage?
• 1270[09:32:07] <han-solo> apt-get install build-essential?
• 1271[09:32:40] <CQ> yep, thanks. was looking for build-tools :=
• 1272[09:32:41] <CQ> )
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• 1275[09:33:10] <han-solo> okay
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• 1280[09:35:57] <CQ> is there a generic linux kernel header package that tracks the currently installed kernels?
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• 1283[09:37:15] <mtcj> I know there's just -image, but I don't think that's what you need
• 1284[09:37:17] <jelly> CQ: no, but there's one tracking the current kernel
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• 1286[09:38:24] <shann> CQ: you shoud build new kernel ?
• 1287[09:38:27] <CQ> no, then it's linux-header-4.whatever
• 1288[09:38:30] <jelly> CQ: like "linux-image-amd64", the matching name is "linux-headers-amd64"
• 1289[09:38:38] <CQ> shann no, this is for virtualbox guest additions
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• 1293[09:39:52] <CQ> jelly: thanks, that was it
• 1294[09:40:00] <shann> CQ, install linux-headers for current kernel apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') (wiki.debian.org) :)
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• 1299[09:41:34] <CQ> cool, the machine works now. I wasn't getting graphics because the virtualbox guest additions were missing, this is a new stretch install
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• 1309[09:45:32] <CQ> how do I get firefox installed in stretch? not -esr, the real one...
• 1310[09:46:03] <CQ> deb replaced-url
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• 1316[09:48:36] <jelly> dpkg, tell CQ about debian-next
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• 1327[09:54:55] <ChetManly> so I just downloaded the first cd, if I dont select a mirror, then I cannot install anything but the "debian desktop" no other desktops are availiable?
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• 1333[09:56:16] <ChetManly> to be able to install more I would have needed more discs or a repo mirror?
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• 1343[09:59:48] <Falson> Why is xfce4 so goddamn LEGIT
• 1344[09:59:50] <Falson> I love it
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• 1356[10:04:46] <baraba> What do you like about it Falson?
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• 1362[10:07:35] <ChetManly> seems like a question that should be able to turn a answer quickly...no?
• 1363[10:08:03] <Falson> Easy to customize, light and robust
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• 1366[10:08:27] <ChetManly> Falson: pretty?
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• 1369[10:08:48] <Falson> It is pretty when you customize it
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• 1428[10:37:35] <DDR> ... good god, certainly, a silent majority.
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• 1451[10:41:51] <jelly> well, it's not a chat channel, we have #debian-offtopic for that. So unless there's support to be asked for and provided, silence is gold
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• 1478[10:54:10] <GandalfTheWizard> hi, how to launch multiple instances of a program at the same time?
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• 1483[10:55:36] <han-solo> what?
• 1484[10:55:45] <Stummi> GandalfTheWizard, from a shell you mean? You can run commands in background with &
• 1485[10:56:14] <petemc> you can also use xargs
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• 1487[10:56:19] <han-solo> command & command & command & ?
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• 1490[10:56:56] <GandalfTheWizard> for example, I wrote a program call hello world and I want to fire 8 instance of them at the same time
• 1491[10:57:04] <GandalfTheWizard> yes, from command line
• 1492[10:57:31] <petemc> apt-cache show parallel
• 1493[10:57:45] <han-solo> for((i=0;i<8;i++));do ...;done ?
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• 1496[10:58:34] <han-solo> although, what's the purpose of calling just hello world, 8 times? :)
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• 1498[10:59:19] <GandalfTheWizard> well, it's a slow version of hello world and should take some time to finish..
• 1499[10:59:35] <GandalfTheWizard> I need multiple instance to do a stress test
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• 1501[11:01:03] <han-solo> okay
• 1502[11:01:04] <Ashok> hey
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• 1504[11:01:40] <Ashok> is there a way to disable login manager in favour of startx ?
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• 1507[11:03:20] <jelly> !nodm
• 1508[11:03:20] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
• 1509[11:03:25] <jelly> Ashok: ^^
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• 1512[11:03:59] <Ashok> oh ok thnx
• 1513[11:04:24] <Ashok> but the above link doesnt exist
• 1514[11:04:34] <jelly> which link?
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• 1516[11:04:46] <gosul33t> guys, I've got a little bit of trouble with ntp
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• 1519[11:05:01] <jelly> Ashok: did you try the echo thing?
• 1520[11:05:18] <Ashok> ya on my way to do that
• 1521[11:05:23] <cybrNaut> Ashok: it might also help to know that you can control-alt-F4 (for example) to login to a text term and do your own startx or whatever
• 1522[11:05:43] <Ashok> hmm
• 1523[11:05:54] <Ashok> planning to shift to nodm
• 1524[11:06:10] <gosul33t> I am starting it by 'service ntp start', the system prints an OK message but the service is not really running, the 'ps -eF|grep ntp' command returns only the grep
• 1525[11:06:27] <han-solo> ctrl+alt+f2 gives me a console
• 1526[11:06:34] <Ashok> thanks guys
• 1527[11:06:35] <jelly> gosul33t: which debian release?
• 1528[11:06:38] <han-solo> and to swicth back, ctrl+alt+f8
• 1529[11:06:42] <gosul33t> 7 Wheezy
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• 1533[11:08:28] <jelly> gosul33t: see if it wrote anything in syslog before dying, «less /var/log/daemon.log» or «grep ntpd /var/log/daemon.log»
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• 1535[11:08:35] <jelly> !paste
• 1536[11:08:36] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 1537[11:09:36] <gosul33t> jelly, no errors, it just says "Listen normally on <network interface> UDP 123
• 1538[11:09:36] <GandalfTheWizard> "parallel -j2 ./helloworld" does execute helloworld at all?
• 1539[11:09:38] <gosul33t> and that's it
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• 1541[11:10:08] <GandalfTheWizard> petemc: -j1 can work
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• 1544[11:12:25] <jelly> gosul33t: I guess the only thing to do is try to start it manually in foreground, see if it dies then
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• 1549[11:15:29] <GandalfTheWizard> OK, a simple & command can work
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• 1553[11:16:15] <jelly> GandalfTheWizard: or tell parallel to pass some fake parameters. replaced-url
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• 1556[11:16:51] <gosul33t> jelly, how do you do that
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• 1561[11:19:18] <jelly> gosul33t: first, look at how the init script starts it, run «sh -x /etc/init.d/ntp start» and look at the start-stop-daemon line
• 1562[11:19:35] <jelly> it may look something like
• 1563[11:19:36] <jelly> + start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo --pidfile /var/run/ntpd.pid --startas /usr/sbin/ntpd -- -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -g -u 103:110
• 1564[11:20:28] <gosul33t> start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo --pidfile /var/run/ntpd.pid --startas /usr/sbin/ntpd -- -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -g -u 107:109
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• 1567[11:21:06] <jelly> gosul33t: then look in man page for ntpd how to run it in foreground (so it does not fork off and daemonize itself)
• 1568[11:21:25] <jelly> gosul33t: hint: it's -n
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• 1571[11:21:30] <gosul33t> okay, thank you
• 1572[11:22:15] <jelly> gosul33t: then run with -n added, from a root shell, see if there's any output: /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -g -u 107:109 -n
• 1573[11:23:37] <gosul33t> /usr/sbin/ntpd -n doesn't give any output
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• 1576[11:24:11] <jelly> gosul33t: does the shell return immediately?
• 1577[11:24:16] <gosul33t> yup
• 1578[11:24:24] <jelly> what's the exit status of the command?
• 1579[11:24:50] <jelly> immediately after you run it, as next command type: echo $?
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• 1582[11:25:34] <gosul33t> /usr/sbin/ntpd -n gives 1 exit status
• 1583[11:25:39] <gosul33t> I guess it's an error
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• 1592[11:28:10] <gosul33t> when I run /usr/sbin/ntpd -p -n it prints just "Listen normally on <interface> UDP 123
• 1593[11:28:21] <gosul33t> which is weird for me, since the exit status is 1
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• 1601[11:31:00] <jelly> gosul33t: that is weird. I guess you'll have to strace it, and try to figure out what goes wrong. I don't have time to guide you through that right now.
• 1602[11:31:19] <jelly> gosul33t: did it ever work?
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• 1604[11:31:37] <jelly> gosul33t: is this a physical system or full VM or a container VPS?
• 1605[11:31:43] <gosul33t> I don't know, it's kind of a new system. ntpdate by the way works fine
• 1606[11:31:49] <gosul33t> physical system
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• 1623[11:38:59] <kamil_> Are some of you familier with CUPS
• 1624[11:39:25] <bazhang> try #cups kamil_
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• 1627[11:40:26] <Iridos> gosul33t, why do you run ntpd with the options -p -n? (or was that a typo)
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• 1630[11:41:14] <gosul33t> Iridos, I ran /usr/sbin/ntp -n
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• 1635[11:41:49] <kamil_> bazhang, thanks for the hint
• 1636[11:41:50] <Iridos> ah, ok… you said differently at hh:28
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• 1645[11:43:04] <gosul33t> sorry for that
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• 1650[11:47:07] <Iridos> well, then I can but agree that strace is the next logical step
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• 1652[11:47:34] <Iridos> seems ntpd for debian was build without debugging levels enabled
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• 1655[11:48:49] <Iridos> gosul33t, oh, but you should look in /var/log/messages if starting ntpd creates any errors there…
• 1656[11:49:15] <gosul33t> it doesn't, that's the weird part
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• 1659[11:51:00] <gosul33t> any idea how to use that strace
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• 1661[11:51:38] <olf-folks> when i start my laptop with a fresh install of debian the gui dose not come up just black screen, after about 8 minutes if i go to vtty via ctrl+alt+F1 then go back via alt <-- then i get to gui with the login. any ideas on what is breaking my startup time?
• 1662[11:53:00] <olf-folks> and why i would have to do that for the login to come up.
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• 1665[11:56:34] <gosul33t> Iridos, using strace - access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) <0.000113>
• 1666[11:56:51] <gosul33t> one of the first lines of the output file with option '-T'
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• 1669[11:58:42] <SynrGy> not everything that is an error in strace is relevant.
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• 1671[11:59:45] <SynrGy> it is common practice to look for a conf file, and if not present, continue without it (or look in another location for the same file)
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• 1677[12:03:52] <burble> hi, i have installed two distributions linux(debian) in my laptop, in next start i have this error replaced-url
• 1678[12:04:29] <burble> 1 minute and 30 seconds for start the system
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• 1687[12:13:06] <dark-reader> Hi, I'm running Debian 8 on a laptop equipped with a i5-4210U and XFCE as DE. I've noticed horizontal screen tearing when playing videos, I'd like to know how I can solve this issue. Thanks in advance.
• 1688[12:13:11] <wob_jonas> For debian 8 on amd64, is the latest linux kernel binary from package supposed to be 3.16.0-4?
• 1689[12:13:25] <petn-randall> ,v kernels
• 1690[12:13:26] <judd> No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64.
• 1691[12:13:31] <petn-randall> ,kernels
• 1692[12:13:32] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1+s1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
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• 1694[12:14:05] <petn-randall> wob_jonas: Yes. If you need a newer kernel (for example for hardware support), you can pick one from backports.
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• 1697[12:15:01] <wob_jonas> petn-randall: thanks, I don't need a newer kernel (right now), I'm just confused because it seemed to me like a newer kernel was installed when I installed security updates, but apparently no.
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• 1701[12:15:24] <wob_jonas> those are the 686 kernels though, I use amd64, but I hope it's the same version
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• 1703[12:15:43] <wob_jonas> ,kernels amd64
• 1704[12:15:44] <judd> (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases.
• 1705[12:15:56] <wob_jonas> ,kernels --jessie
• 1706[12:15:57] <judd> (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases.
• 1707[12:16:02] <wob_jonas> ,kernels --release jessie
• 1708[12:16:03] <judd> Available kernel versions are: jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1)
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• 1711[12:16:20] <burble> i need help
• 1712[12:16:26] <burble> please
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• 1715[12:17:01] <petn-randall> wob_jonas: Yes, the kernels are the same.
• 1716[12:17:08] <wob_jonas> petn-randall: thanks
• 1717[12:17:59] <petn-randall> burble: Which release did you install?
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• 1720[12:18:35] <burble> petn-randall: debian stretch and kali in dual boot
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• 1724[12:21:10] <petn-randall> burble: Stretch is a pre-release version of our next Debian release. I recommend using a stable version, like jessie. If you want to have stretch anyway, the recommended way is to install jessie, then upgrade.
• 1725[12:21:24] <petn-randall> burble: Kali is not supported in here. There's #kali for that.
• 1726[12:21:28] <petn-randall> !kali
• 1727[12:21:29] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 1728[12:21:38] <petn-randall> burble: Sorry, #kali-linux
• 1729[12:22:44] <petn-randall> burble: How did you prepare the installation medium?
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• 1732[12:24:01] <dark-reader> Does anyone have an idea about my issue with horizontal screen tearing?
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• 1738[12:25:23] <petn-randall> dark-reader: I'd check the config of the video player to turn off things like vsync, and enable HW acceleration.
• 1739[12:25:34] <petn-randall> dark-reader: If that doesn't help, you can try this: replaced-url
• 1740[12:26:17] <dark-reader> petn-randall thanks, I'll try
• 1741[12:26:27] <burble> petn-randall: by dd if of
• 1742[12:26:45] <burble> i have installed succesful
• 1743[12:28:05] <petn-randall> burble: And that error is from stretch or kali?
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• 1749[12:29:44] <burble> petn-randall: if i install kali for second the problem is kali, else i install debian for second the problem is debian
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• 1752[12:31:00] <burble> sorry, i have debian and install kali the problem is debian, else i have kali and install debian the problem is kali
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• 1754[12:32:10] <petn-randall> burble: Looks like you're maybe sharing a /boot or something weird? For what it's worth, I'd just install Debian, and use Kali in a VM. The support for HW problems in Kali isn't that good.
• 1755[12:34:52] <burble> petn-randall: kali in vm work all ?
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• 1757[12:36:11] <petn-randall> burble: It works fine.
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• 1766[12:38:20] <burble> petn-randall: ok thanks
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• 1786[12:48:58] <gosul33t> Iridos, fixed my issue with the ntp process
• 1787[12:49:18] <gosul33t> FYI, the process stopped because of the too many interfaces, had to change for the service to listen only on particular interface
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• 1790[12:51:16] <Rubas> Hello, I am trying to chroot a scp file transfer to a subfolder in a user home directory. I am using rssh, and I have uncommented all allowed methods except: 'allowscp', and I have made a user variable looking like this: user="didi:022:00001:/home/didi/canuploadhere" - but when I try to scp anything with the user didi, then it says: This account is restricted by rssh.
• 1791[12:51:47] <Rubas> my scp command was following: scp myfile.zip didi@myserverip:/home/didi/canuploadhere
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• 1794[12:54:27] <Jan\> I'm trying to upgrade packages with synaptic but one package is broken and I can't unmark it ?
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• 1796[12:55:02] <cra1g321> iirc synaptic has a menu option to do with fixing broken packages
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• 1800[12:55:30] <julius_> hi
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• 1802[12:56:07] <julius_> i would like to downgrade a packet, but when i try to remove the current version with: apt remove inkscape, apt wants to remove: gnome inkscape
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• 1804[12:56:23] <julius_> i kinda wann keep my desktop environment....how do i downgrade one packet?
• 1805[12:56:43] <Jan\> cra1g321: replaced-url
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• 1807[12:57:10] <teraflops> Jan\: what about installing the previous version from the package cache?
• 1808[12:57:30] <teraflops> Jan\: sorry I meant julius_
• 1809[12:57:47] <Jan\> ok
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• 1812[12:58:08] <teraflops> julius_: /var/cache/apt/archives
• 1813[12:58:13] <julius_> let me try
• 1814[12:58:22] <cra1g321> Jan\ click Edit and look for "fix broken packages" or something, sorry not on debian to check it fully
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• 1817[12:58:49] <Jan\> cra1g321: yes, the image shows result of that replaced-url
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• 1820[12:59:30] <petn-randall> Jan\: Wait, from where to where are you upgrading? This usually doesn't happen in a pure stable release installation.
• 1821[12:59:38] <cra1g321> what's it wanting to do ?
• 1822[13:00:12] <cra1g321> also i notice the iceweasel icon...
• 1823[13:00:20] <cra1g321> i thought iceweasel is gone in stable ?
• 1824[13:00:25] <Jan\> petn-randall: simple knoppix boot, the try to upgrade packages
• 1825[13:00:42] <cra1g321> so you're not using debian
• 1826[13:00:43] <petn-randall> !knoppix
• 1827[13:00:44] <dpkg> Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. replaced-url
• 1828[13:01:16] <Jan\> yes but i figured id give it a shot since im alone in there
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• 1833[13:02:20] <Jan\> petn-randall: cani update packages in live debian?
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• 1835[13:02:53] <julius_> teraflops, looks like its not in there anymore...maybe i need space inbetween. after downloading dpkg -i did the trick.-..now inkscpae --version says: 0.48
• 1836[13:02:56] <julius_> thank you
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• 1840[13:03:43] <petn-randall> Jan\: Do you mean Debian live, the Debian system on a CD?
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• 1842[13:03:53] <Jan\> petn-randall: yes
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• 1845[13:04:12] <petn-randall> Jan\: Yes, but the changes are limited to your RAM, and they won't stick across reboots.
• 1846[13:04:29] <Jan\> petn-randall: ok
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• 1848[13:04:48] <teraflops> julius_: np, it not a bad idea to keep a couple of versions of packages in the cache. I dislike running apt-get clean blindly (I'm not saying is your situation)
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• 1852[13:06:02] <cra1g321> there is also replaced-url
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• 1856[13:09:00] <teraflops> ah right
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• 1858[13:09:46] <cra1g321> a hidden gem, dont think many users knowa about it
• 1859[13:09:48] <julius_> teraflops, i realised that after installing inkscape from jessie-backports and it no longer working with \svginclude from latex
• 1860[13:10:29] <zigurat> Why are my lxc container interfaces not removed if I "ifdown -a". They are configured in interfaces file and if I manually remove them and "ifup -a" they all come back alive
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• 1864[13:17:10] <jelly> zigurat: which debian release, can you pastebin your /e/n/interfaces?
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• 1874[13:21:30] <yokisuci> Does someone know how I can erase the /dev/sda2 wheezy partition that for some reason shows up in one of my debian installation? :S My guess is that it's from when i accidently did a dd with the wheezy iso to my hdd.
• 1875[13:21:55] <yokisuci> doing a reinstall and so on doesn't work. Another guess is that it's from a failed lilo installation with wheezy.
• 1876[13:22:20] <yokisuci> and doing a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda gonna take alot of hours :/
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• 1882[13:25:43] <DanawarUK_> Hi debian i am trying to setup 2 NFS servers and the client that connects would connect to one if that one went down then it would instantly connect to the other one is there any way to achive this?
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• 1886[13:27:37] <yokisuci> DanawarUK_: pretty sure it's possible even tho i don't know have to achive it. First things that pops to my mind thou is some kind of bash-script or something. :/
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• 1889[13:28:16] <yokisuci> know how* ^^
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• 1905[13:35:01] <jelly> yokisuci: which tool detects the filesystem on /dev/sda2? Pastebin the output of "blkid" please
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• 1966[14:09:04] <Rubas> is it possible to execute bash files from sftp?
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• 1970[14:13:16] <jelly> Rubas: no
• 1971[14:13:26] <Rubas> ok jelly :)
• 1972[14:13:31] <jelly> !goal
• 1973[14:13:32] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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• 1991[14:20:51] <Jaga-Jaga> my debian system now doesnt reproduce sound out of the flash videos , i tried all browsers including google-chrome
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• 1994[14:22:58] <Iridos> gosul33t, oh, interesting
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• 2008[14:32:45] <r3m1> hello
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• 2016[14:35:19] <r3m1> haven't been configuring cron for a while now, was used to add entries with crontab -e . I seen now that there are cron.hourly cron.daily in /etc directory
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• 2018[14:35:36] <r3m1> (among others)
• 2019[14:36:05] <gosul33t> r3m1, you can still add them with 'cron -e'
• 2020[14:36:11] <r3m1> so, if I want a script to be executed each hour, I just copy it in the cron.hourly ?
• 2021[14:37:08] <r3m1> and if I want a task to be executed more frequently, crontab -e it is, is it ?
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• 2025[14:37:48] <gosul33t> r3m1, you can set a cron to be executed hourly via 'crontab -e' as well
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• 2027[14:39:17] <gosul33t> r3m, and if you want to run a script each hour, yes, you can copy it in the cron.hourly directory
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• 2043[14:43:37] <blueremotebanana> Hi!
• 2044[14:44:04] <blueremotebanana> How to list files of a specific dir that has last read-access older than 6 months? and then move them to another dir?
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• 2051[14:45:10] <jelly> !using find
• 2052[14:45:10] <dpkg> i guess using find is replaced-url
• 2053[14:45:27] <jelly> blueremotebanana: ^^ that's one component of the task
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• 2057[14:46:24] <jelly> blueremotebanana: be warned access times may not be accurate on your system, depending on the mount options
• 2058[14:46:37] <blueremotebanana> jelly: i have relatime
• 2059[14:47:03] <blueremotebanana> is it enough to have relatime?
• 2060[14:47:04] <jelly> and there's no way to know whether it was read, write or just the file opened
• 2061[14:47:25] <blueremotebanana> it's enough
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• 2064[14:47:59] <jelly> man mount suggests it's enough, yes
• 2065[14:48:13] <r3m1> gosul33t: how would you recommand to proceed if I want to deploy some scripts/executable in a distribution and add entries in cron for some scripts but non-interactively (avoiding crontab -e) ? for scripts that must be run more often that hourly
• 2066[14:48:19] <jelly> [relatime] > In addition, since Linux 2.6.30, the file's last access time is always updated if it is more than 1 day old.
• 2067[14:48:42] <blueremotebanana> jelly: "find . -atime +365" seems to work to list those files
• 2068[14:48:48] <blueremotebanana> how to move them into /oldfiles/
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• 2070[14:48:57] <blueremotebanana> find . -atime +365 | ... ?
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• 2072[14:49:27] <jelly> blueremotebanana: so you'd go find ... -print0 | xargs -0 echo mv --target-directory=/some/place
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• 2074[14:49:45] <jelly> (that "echo" part makes the command inert)
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• 2078[14:50:21] <gosul33t> r3m1, if you want to avoid using 'crontab -e' your options are the time intervals related to the directories 'cron.hourly, cron.daily, cron.weekly', for everything else you should use 'crontab -e'
• 2079[14:50:25] <blueremotebanana> do you think this would work : find . -atime +365 -print0 | xargs -0 echo mv --target-directory=./old/
• 2080[14:50:27] <gosul33t> it is more flexible
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• 2082[14:50:36] <jelly> blueremotebanana: no.
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• 2085[14:50:49] <blueremotebanana> jelly: why ?
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• 2087[14:51:03] <jelly> blueremotebanana: find recurses into subdirectories by default
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• 2089[14:51:26] <hanshenrik_> when there is a kernel upgrade installed in Jessie, does it upgrade the kernel in memory, or does it need a reboot to use the new kernel ?
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• 2093[14:51:42] <blueremotebanana> jelly: what would be the correct command?
• 2094[14:51:45] <jelly> blueremotebanana: either account for that (read about -maxdepth), or put the destination outside the source dir
• 2095[14:51:51] <blueremotebanana> ok
• 2096[14:51:55] <gosul33t> hanshenrik_, you need to reboot with the new kernel
• 2097[14:52:14] <blueremotebanana> jelly: then find . -atime +365 -print0 | xargs -0 echo mv --target-directory=../oldfiles/ ?
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• 2099[14:52:38] <fas3r> hello
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• 2101[14:52:55] <balor> On debian jessie (rasibian ARM-hf) my wifi devices are appearing as 'wlan0' and 'wlan1' not the predictable systemd naming convention 'wlp2s0' etc... Where has the systemd naming convention be disabled.
• 2102[14:53:02] <jelly> blueremotebanana: I also suggest avoid using relative paths like "." and "../stuff" if you're planning to automate this task
• 2103[14:53:22] <fas3r> I have an issue with opennebula 5, I try to use FS_LVM driver. I created a vg called vg-one-104. Created a new datastore which would match this DS_ID ( 104 ), but the size is incorrect. ( 50Go instead of 2To )
• 2104[14:53:24] <blueremotebanana> jelly: not automation planned with this...
• 2105[14:53:27] <fas3r> I tried to add the VG_NAME parameter or even the BRIDGE_LIST but it did not change anything.
• 2106[14:53:36] <blueremotebanana> I tried to run it, but no moving done, only listing them
• 2107[14:53:56] <fas3r> even tought I did not have problem to create the "system" datastore using LVM. The size is matching the size of the VG.
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• 2109[14:54:02] <fas3r> thanks by advance.
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• 2114[14:54:19] <jelly> blueremotebanana: good. if the output confirms only the desired files are moved, remove the "echo" from xargs -0 echo ...
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• 2116[14:54:46] <blueremotebanana> "print0" is normal?
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• 2118[14:55:36] <Jaga-Jaga> how to purge oss? (as i think its messing with my amixer and i have no sound in flash videos)
• 2119[14:55:47] <jelly> normal?
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• 2121[14:56:27] <jelly> blueremotebanana: -print0 is a part of find syntax, if that's what you're asking
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• 2125[14:57:11] <blueremotebanana> ok thanks again!
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• 2127[14:57:22] <blueremotebanana> jelly: can I cite you here: replaced-url
• 2128[14:57:27] <blueremotebanana> it was my question
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• 2134[14:59:45] <jelly> blueremotebanana: it sounds like an unix site, and mv --target-directory= only works with mv from GNU coreutils (= a linux install, basically)
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• 2136[15:00:13] <blueremotebanana> ok thanks
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• 2139[15:01:42] <jelly> blueremotebanana: huh, you already got a suggestion for find -atime 14 hours ago
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• 2141[15:02:18] <blueremotebanana> yes but I wanted to be sure not to do any mistakes
• 2142[15:02:24] <blueremotebanana> that's why I preferred to ask here
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• 2151[15:06:46] <iamawesome> Which screen recording software is used for debian?
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• 2157[15:08:11] <pjotr> Hi! I got a problem with a mirror : ftp.fr.debian.org (212.27.32.66)
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• 2160[15:08:18] <pjotr> Am I alone ?
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• 2162[15:10:17] <gosul33t> pjotr, can you resolve it?
• 2163[15:10:46] <gosul33t> dig ftp.fr.debian.org
• 2164[15:11:00] <pjotr> yeah, with the IP address 212.27.32.66
• 2165[15:11:06] <hanshenrik_> when debian starts using the 4x kernels, will debian use the kpatch or simmilar to support live patching of kernels?
• 2166[15:11:27] <hanshenrik_> (afaik, kpatch was added to linux with the 4.0 release)
• 2167[15:12:00] <pjotr> I'm trying to apt-get update and apt-get isntall some packages... and this appens some minutes ago ;)
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• 2169[15:12:19] <pjotr> may be the mirror is down...?
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• 2171[15:12:26] <gosul33t> pjotr, I can't access it through the web, I guess they have more general problem
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• 2173[15:13:11] <pjotr> gosul33t: ok mister, thx for tried too ;) I am not alone ;)
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• 2176[15:13:27] <hanshenrik_> pjotr, i stopped using ftp.no.debian.org because it would occationally be down; that said, i used the ftp.fr.debian.org to install a bunch of updates a few minutes ago
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• 2178[15:14:02] <hanshenrik_> (without issues. on 2 separate servers located in france.)
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• 2180[15:14:28] <pjotr> hanshenrik_: exact, I've set up a new server with this mirror some minutes ago too... but I got some network strange things at same moment :p
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• 2183[15:15:08] <pjotr> Humm, I'll try to change my mirrors...
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• 2185[15:15:49] <jelly> hanshenrik_: unlikely, unless someone does the hard work of implementing and testing each patch
• 2186[15:16:06] <pjotr> thx for test guyz :)
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• 2188[15:16:28] <pjotr> hooo ping is ok now :)
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• 2199[15:23:35] <iamawesome> aptitude search ffmpeg
• 2200[15:23:49] <iamawesome> Got this: replaced-url
• 2201[15:23:51] <iamawesome> Why?
• 2202[15:23:57] <iamawesome> Why is ffmpeg missing there?
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• 2205[15:25:32] <hanshenrik_> iamawesome, Be careful, FFmpeg is not available on Debian 8 Jessie, but in Backports.
• 2206[15:25:42] <cra1g321> ^ that
• 2207[15:25:55] <iamawesome> So what should i do?
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• 2209[15:26:06] <hanshenrik_> apt-get -t jessie-backports install ffmpeg
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• 2211[15:26:31] <cra1g321> you would need to add the jessie-backports repo first
• 2212[15:26:32] <hanshenrik_> uhm, may need to add this to /etc/apt/sources.list : deb replaced-url
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• 2214[15:27:04] <iamawesome> Why isn't ffmpeg in jessie?
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• 2218[15:27:48] <jelly> iamawesome: it wasn't ready at the time of jessie freeze. There's one in jessie-backports.
• 2219[15:27:48] <cra1g321> jessie has libav which is a fork of ffmpeg
• 2220[15:28:02] <cra1g321> future releases of debian will use ffmpeg instead
• 2221[15:28:07] <garries> my PulseAudio doesnt play sound for flash videos
• 2222[15:28:13] <jelly> dpkg, tell iamawesome about jessie-backports
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• 2224[15:28:36] <hanshenrik_> cus there was a big fight internally with ffmpeg developers, and ffmpeg got forked to a project called "libav", and some of the angry ex-ffmpeg devs were also debian devs, and they dont want anybody to use ffmpeg anymore, so they removed ffmpeg and added libav in debian jessie. it even got so bad that they added a fake ffmpeg binary with a fake warning that "ffmpeg is deprecated, please use libav instead" or some shit
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• 2226[15:28:43] <jelly> oh, you were told already, sorry
• 2227[15:30:18] <hanshenrik_> iamawesome, note that both libav and ffmpeg projects are healthy and maintained at this point, so if you're used to ffmpeg, there's no need to switch to libav
• 2228[15:30:19] <iamawesome> I think, ffmpeg is not deprecated.
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• 2231[15:30:37] <hanshenrik_> it's not at all, its just the libav guys want you to BELIEVE that
• 2232[15:31:07] <hanshenrik_> there's even backporting between the 2 projects now
• 2233[15:31:13] <hanshenrik_> or at least there was, last time i checked
• 2234[15:31:33] <hassoon> hanshenrik_: meh...MEH
• 2235[15:31:52] <hanshenrik_> ?
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• 2243[15:33:30] <jelly> garries: poen "pavucontrol", see if the output from firefox/chromium/chrome is going out some wrong audio device
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• 2245[15:33:33] <jelly> open*
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• 2250[15:35:04] <hanshenrik_> hassoon, were you involved in the ffmpeg/libav fights? :p
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• 2256[15:36:45] <hassoon> hanshenrik_: w-what did i miss ahah
• 2257[15:37:18] <hanshenrik_> you don't have scrollback for some reason?
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• 2259[15:37:25] <jelly> hassoon, hanshenrik_: you can continue in #debian-offtopic, keep this channel for tech support
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• 2263[15:38:38] <iamawesome> Which asm is recommended to install? nasm or yasm?
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• 2268[15:39:25] <crazyadm> why people still doing asm
• 2269[15:39:42] <crazyadm> what kind of project would equire asm
• 2270[15:40:10] <crazyadm> for ffmpeg, i suggest compile your own
• 2271[15:40:18] <iamawesome> It's dependency to instal a package from source(ffmpeg)
• 2272[15:40:30] <jelly> crazyadm: what's wrong with binary in jessie-backports?
• 2273[15:40:54] <crazyadm> i don't know what that is is what is wrong
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• 2276[15:41:55] <jelly> it's a ready-made build of ffmpeg for jessie
• 2277[15:41:59] <crazyadm> kernel: TCP: time wait bucket table overflow
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• 2280[15:42:19] <crazyadm> kernel: nf_conntrack: table full, dropping packet
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• 2282[15:42:30] <crazyadm> how do i fix these two bugs
• 2283[15:42:39] <crazyadm> i have no idea of jessie
• 2284[15:43:00] <jelly> crazyadm: which debian release are you using?
• 2285[15:43:28] <crazyadm> i installed ffmpeg once. i remember there are couple jpeg and png libs needs to be enabled
• 2286[15:43:56] <garries> jelly: i installed pavucontrol but i dont see anything about any browser. here is a screenshot
• 2287[15:43:56] <garries> replaced-url
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• 2289[15:43:59] <crazyadm> and reload ldconf too
• 2290[15:44:12] <hanshenrik_> crazyadm, let's say you're playing the mmorpg Tibia, and you figure out that light is client-sided, and if you cold turn up the light permanently, you wouldn't need torces/light spells, and it'd give you an advantage when fighting PvP in caves, then you would use assembly to modify the game client to always have full light
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• 2292[15:44:19] <iamawesome> crazyadm: jpeg and png libs for what purpose?
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• 2294[15:44:45] <garries> I was disconnected did I miss anything ?
• 2295[15:44:51] <crazyadm> for ffmpeg
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• 2300[15:45:12] <crazyadm> oh wait it's video
• 2301[15:45:15] <crazyadm> mybad
• 2302[15:45:26] <crazyadm> i was thinking the imagemagick
• 2303[15:45:35] <iamawesome> crazyadm: What were you doing with ffmpeg that required jpeg and png libs?
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• 2305[15:46:07] <jelly> garries: click the playback tab.
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• 2307[15:46:14] <iamawesome> crazyadm: I think, imagemagick is for photo editing.
• 2308[15:46:16] <crazyadm> ffmpeg is for video conversion, imagemagick is for image convert
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• 2310[15:46:28] <crazyadm> i forget the name
• 2311[15:46:33] <crazyadm> somethingmagick
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• 2313[15:46:47] <iamawesome> jelly: What is playback tab?
• 2314[15:46:57] <garries> jelly: here.... replaced-url
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• 2318[15:47:52] <jelly> garries: so apparently no app is using pulse for output at the moment. You can try quitting the browser, make sure all its processes are dead, then start it again
• 2319[15:48:12] <jelly> iamawesome: that was for garries not you
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• 2326[15:49:31] <iamawesome> crazyadm: ffmpeg is a big project, isn't it?
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• 2328[15:50:00] <iamawesome> Processor is compiling ffmpeg now here.
• 2329[15:50:03] <iamawesome> make
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• 2333[15:50:36] <crazyadm> how big can a video format convertor be
• 2334[15:50:40] <cra1g321> why not just download the binary ?
• 2335[15:50:55] <jmcnaught> iamawesome: why compile from source? don't you want a package that apt-get can manage?
• 2336[15:50:58] <garries> jelly: now it looks like its working i see activity there, but i cant hear a thing
• 2337[15:51:18] <crazyadm> compile it to enable more features, such as cpu usage, cache usage
• 2338[15:51:31] <crazyadm> those will increase performance and efficiency
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• 2340[15:52:21] <Flashtek> Reminder for Monday - replaced-url
• 2341[15:52:49] <iamawesome> I'm compiling ffmpeg in a seperate directory, when i don't need it i will delete the folder. So the system has no problem.
• 2342[15:52:53] <iamawesome> jmcnaught: ^
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• 2344[15:53:51] <iamawesome> Compiling and installing in a seperate directory
• 2345[15:54:09] <crazyadm> just make --prefix=/usr/local/ffmpeg
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• 2347[15:54:21] <cra1g321> there is static builds here replaced-url
• 2348[15:54:21] <iamawesome> crazyadm: Yes, i did it.
• 2349[15:54:53] <cra1g321> though iwould of went the jessie-backports way
• 2350[15:55:00] <jelly> garries: which output device did the app select?
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• 2356[15:58:01] <garries> jelly: here.... replaced-url
• 2357[15:58:53] <iamawesome> crazyadm: ffmpeg looks big video format converter because it's taking time to compile.
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• 2361[15:59:11] <jelly> garries: playback tab please
• 2362[15:59:14] <iamawesome> crazyadm: Does it work as a video format converter? I don't think so.
• 2363[15:59:31] <iamawesome> *converter only?*
• 2364[15:59:33] <crazyadm> yes that's ffmpeg do
• 2365[15:59:38] <crazyadm> convert , record
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• 2367[15:59:48] <garries> jelly: replaced-url
• 2368[15:59:53] <iamawesome> And it does other things too, i think
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• 2372[16:01:17] <iamawesome> crazyadm: "FFmpeg is the leading multimedia framework, able to decode, encode, transcode, mux, demux, stream, filter and play pretty much anything that humans and machines have created."
• 2373[16:01:27] <jelly> garries: that's weird, it doesn't say which device the app goes out to. Also it's weird your audio card is not visible on the Output devices tab. What does the configuration tab look like?
• 2374[16:01:30] <iamawesome> Taken from their website
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• 2377[16:02:25] <garries> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2379[16:02:33] <jelly> garries: also, what does "aplay -l" say?
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• 2381[16:03:25] <garries> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2386[16:04:37] <jelly> garries: so underlying alsa drivers see something, but pulseaudio did not detect any alsa cards for some reason. Which debian release is this?
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• 2390[16:05:17] <garries> jelly: jessie, 3.16.0-4-686-pae
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• 2392[16:06:27] <jelly> garries: try replaced-url
• 2393[16:06:53] <jelly> garries: you WILL have to quit chromium and start it again after PA is restarted
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• 2395[16:07:29] <garries> jelly: ok
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• 2400[16:08:49] <garries> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2411[16:11:36] <DeaDSouL> hi, I wonder why debian doesn't boot if my externel usb-harddisk is plugged-in ??
• 2412[16:12:03] <paroxp> May need drivers :P
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• 2415[16:12:28] <EI24> clear
• 2416[16:12:30] <EI24> ops
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• 2419[16:13:02] <paroxp> Try USB2, perhaps a bootloader. Get BIOS pointing to this drive.
• 2420[16:13:19] <EI24> hi, i'm trying to install iface but i get "unable to locate package iface", what repository do you download iface from?
• 2421[16:13:25] <garries> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2424[16:14:55] <Iridos> DeaDSouL, maybe the computer tries to boot from the usb disk instead of the internal one?
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• 2432[16:17:14] <DeaDSouL> Iridos: but the usb-harddrive has normal ext3 storage... no os on it... and the main enternal harddrive has only debian8
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• 2436[16:17:34] <r3m1> where are cron logs by default ?
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• 2439[16:17:50] <r3m1> are there cron logs by default when it is running tasks ?
• 2440[16:17:59] <Iridos> DeaDSouL, well, as it has no os on it, that would explain why it doesn't boot?
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• 2447[16:19:12] <debkad> hello i have this problem at boot: 'a start job is running for lsb raise network interfaces'
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• 2449[16:19:38] <debkad> it take from 2 min to 5 min
• 2450[16:20:21] <cruncher> DeaDSouL, you probably have to change the boot order in the bios
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• 2454[16:21:07] <cruncher> DeaDSouL, or do you get the grub screen when plugged in?
• 2455[16:21:27] <DeaDSouL> Iridos: it's my mistak... i mean why the debian8 which is on the enternal harddrive doesn't boot if the externel usb-harddrive which has no OS, is plugged in
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• 2457[16:22:05] <DeaDSouL> cruncher: but shouldn't it skip the usb automaticallly if it didn't find any boot-drive/image ?
• 2458[16:22:16] <cruncher> DeaDSouL, no
• 2459[16:22:18] <garries> jelly: I can now see a bunch of profiles in the configuration tab
• 2460[16:22:44] <Iridos> DeaDSouL, I understood that… but when you plug in the usb drive, it can try to boot from that and then it cannot, because there is no os on it
• 2461[16:22:49] <cruncher> that happens only for floppy, dvd and network boot
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• 2464[16:23:19] <cruncher> (if there is no media inside)
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• 2467[16:23:48] <garries> jelly: restarted chromium and guess what, i now have sound in flash. big THX !!
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• 2469[16:24:10] <DeaDSouL> Iridos, cruncher: I'll change the boot-order in bios and will try again .. let's see
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• 2474[16:26:20] <debkad> ...
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• 2478[16:28:36] <Iridos> debkad, well… if I search the net for that error, hit #1 is replaced-url
• 2479[16:28:37] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2480[16:28:44] <Iridos> which I guess you must have read
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• 2482[16:29:29] <debkad> Iridos, indeed i followed 3 links including that one, now i'm trying this replaced-url
• 2483[16:29:42] <debkad> sound like the answers are different
• 2484[16:30:24] <Iridos> "systemctl enable debug-shell.service" sounds pretty useful to see what's going on
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• 2486[16:30:56] <jmcnaught> +1 for debug-shell
• 2487[16:31:14] <surfist> does anyone have a problem with nfs pegging the cpu if the network connection goes down? I solve it by umount and killing nfs.. am wondering if sshfs is better
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• 2490[16:31:28] <DeaDSouL> cruncher: yep... you're right :) ... thanks bro
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• 2495[16:32:32] <DeaDSouL> Iridos: correct... I just don't see why it doesn't treat USBs as it does to CD/DVDs.... if you didn't find the image, go to the next boot device
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• 2498[16:33:52] <jmcnaught> Iridos: you can also just add systemd.debug-shell to the kernel command line which is better than enabling the service and forgetting to disable it
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• 2500[16:34:41] <cruncher> DeaDSouL, a CD would be treated the same way, if there is something on it it would try to boot from it, but if its empty (no media inside) it goes to the next one
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• 2502[16:35:07] <cruncher> which is the same for harddisks (if no harddisk on the bus go to next media in the list)
• 2503[16:35:30] <debkad> Iridos, that line did nothing, the link i posted did a little change except the timing is /19s ( i puted 15 , no idea from where the 4 others come from )
• 2504[16:35:33] <cruncher> also dont forget that the bios doesnt care about "the image" (its OS independent) ;-)
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• 2510[16:36:59] <jmcnaught> debkad: the point of that debug-shell is that it opens a root shell on tty9 early in the boot so you can troubleshoot boot issues without waiting to log in. Don't forget to disable this service when you're done, having a root shell always running on tty9 is not the best.
• 2511[16:38:06] <debkad> jmcnaught, yeah but as i decreased it to 15 s (19s ) i don't think that make a time to see what happen
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• 2514[16:38:29] <jmcnaught> debkad: is there a problem with your /etc/network/interfaces file?
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• 2517[16:38:52] <debkad> jmcnaught, there is lo, wlan0 and eth0
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• 2519[16:40:19] <debkad> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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• 2521[16:40:28] <jmcnaught> debkad: 'a start job is running for lsb raise network interfaces' <-- this is the networking.service (aka /etc/init.d/networking) that starts interfaces listed in /e/n/interfaces. You could look at "journalctl -u networking" to look for messages from that service.
• 2522[16:41:04] <jmcnaught> debkad: wlan0, it doesn't need an SSID/network name or WPA key?
• 2523[16:41:17] <Iridos> debkad, that line isn't supposed to *do* anything, but to enable you to debug the problem
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• 2526[16:41:47] <debkad> jmcnaught, indeed, i have wicd configured for that
• 2527[16:42:00] <r3m1> with nothing but default configuration, if I write the command $ logger "Please log me" , where should this message appear ?
• 2528[16:42:01] <Iridos> and if it's longish, but not long enoug to see…
• 2529[16:42:18] <jmcnaught> debkad: so you should comment out the stanzas for wlan0 and eth0 in /e/n/interfaces
• 2530[16:42:26] <r3m1> keep greping all the /var/log files, can't find it
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• 2532[16:42:52] <debkad> jmcnaught, that don't affect wicd to see the device?
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• 2534[16:43:42] <Skyrider> For debian servers, do you really need swap?
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• 2536[16:43:59] <jmcnaught> debkad: i don't use wicd, but for NetworkManager by default it ignores anything listed in /e/n/i. Right now you're telling your computer to try and bring up wlan0 during boot, an it takes a long time because it doesn't get configured with SSID and WPA
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• 2539[16:44:19] <koollman_> Skyrider: you do not really, really need it. but it's really nice to have some. even just a 'tiny' amount
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• 2541[16:45:13] <Skyrider> I doubt it would be possible to convert some of the hdd to swap in an openvz environment.
• 2542[16:45:26] <debkad> jmcnaught, ok will reboot, i commented them out
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• 2545[16:47:28] <debkad> jmcnaught, thanks, it was it
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• 2548[16:47:46] <jmcnaught> debkad: you're welcome. don't forget to "systemctl disable debug-shell" (if you enabled it)
• 2549[16:47:55] <debkad> yeah i did
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• 2553[16:49:00] <jmcnaught> debkad: sweet. so /e/i/interfaces is one way to configure networking. wicd, networkmanager, systemd-networkd are other ways. You only need to use one method. Some more info here: replaced-url
• 2554[16:49:26] <debkad> i have one or two other little problems, one about the boot, i see, failed to load kernel modules or something like that and the other little problem is the installing ffmpeg, it say it exist but can't be installed
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• 2556[16:50:25] <jmcnaught> debkad: ffmpeg is in jessie-backports (jessie comes with the libav fork of ffmpeg). Can you find and paste the kernel modules error?
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• 2561[16:51:59] <jelly> dpkg, tell debkad about jessie-backports
• 2562[16:52:11] <debkad> jmcnaught, /var/log/syslog:Sep 15 01:40:46 debian systemd[1]: Failed to start Load Kernel Modules.
• 2563[16:52:23] <Iridos> debkad, libav-tools is the package of that fork in regular jessie
• 2564[16:52:55] <debkad> i installed a backport kernel yesterday as i wasn't able to use my wifi
• 2565[16:53:11] <debkad> avconv?
• 2566[16:53:19] <jelly> yes
• 2567[16:53:32] <debkad> thanks but i prefer ffmpeg
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• 2569[16:53:47] <jelly> and now you know where to install it from.
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• 2571[16:54:01] <jmcnaught> debkad: you can look for more clues related to this with "systemctl status systemd-modules-load"
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• 2573[16:55:22] <debkad> Process: 172 ExecStart=/lib/systemd/systemd-modules-load (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
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• 2585[17:00:58] <jmcnaught> debkad: and did it show any messages from the journal? Basically this service tries to load the modules listed in /etc/modules and /etc/modules-load.d/*.conf
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• 2598[17:03:33] <debkad> jmcnaught, this is what it show replaced-url
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• 2600[17:04:01] <binarym> FYI, following netinst ISO doesn't work on VirtualBox (no bootable medium found): replaced-url
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• 2607[17:05:32] <jmcnaught> binarym: that's for ARM processors (like in phones and tablets). Maybe you were looking for an amd64 ISO (for 64-bit x86 computers)
• 2608[17:05:49] <jmcnaught> debkad: what's this usb_common module, where did it come from?
• 2609[17:06:04] <binarym> jmcnaught: damn ... i'm such a nut :)
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• 2613[17:06:31] <debkad> jmcnaught, may be it is my wifi device
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• 2615[17:07:06] <jmcnaught> debkad: did you manually compile modules from source?
• 2616[17:08:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1763
• 2617[17:08:03] <jmcnaught> find /lib/modules -name usb_common* <-- no results for me
• 2618[17:08:24] <debkad> jmcnaught, i was installing 3 debs yesterday to be able using my wifi usb, one is non free frimware atheros, another is the linux-image 4.6 and another one
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• 2621[17:08:44] <jmcnaught> debkad: did one of them come from somewhere other than Debian?
• 2622[17:09:11] <debkad> jmcnaught, let me check
• 2623[17:09:30] <jmcnaught> debkad: "dpkg -S usb_common.ko" will tell you which package owns that module (if any)
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• 2625[17:09:55] <debkad> jmcnaught, firmware-atheros_20160110-1-bpo8+1_all.deb linux-base_4.3-bpo8+1_all.deb linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686_4.6.4-1-bpo8+1_i386.deb
• 2626[17:10:07] <debkad> those are what i installed yesterday
• 2627[17:10:32] <debkad> all backport i think
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• 2630[17:11:29] <debkad> dpkg -S usb_common.ko give me dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *usb_common.ko*
• 2631[17:11:29] <dpkg> Badgers ate my usb_common.ko give me dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *usb_common.ko*!
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• 2633[17:11:49] <jmcnaught> debkad: well, it would be good to find where that usb_common module came from. the actual error is that the "vmhgfs" module cannot be found
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• 2637[17:14:13] <jmcnaught> debkad: which looks like some sort of VMware guest module that in Debian is packaged in open-vm-tools-dkms. DKMS means it builds the kernel module from source. I think you probably forgot to install linux-headers-amd64 from backports
• 2638[17:15:05] <jmcnaught> debkad: are you still booting the 4.6 kernel from backports?
• 2639[17:15:16] <debkad> jmcnaught, you're right i didn't install the header
• 2640[17:15:32] <debkad> i think i can remove the vmware module?
• 2641[17:15:43] <jmcnaught> sure if you don't need it
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• 2647[17:16:27] <jmcnaught> if you do need any DKMS stuff, "apt-get -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" this will make it so your system tracks the backports version of the kernel and headers, enabling DKMS to work properly
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• 2655[17:18:11] <jelly> in fact, vmware recommends usage of open-vm-tools for debian 7 and 8 guests and ESX/vSphere hosts
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• 2659[17:19:15] <debkad> is not that a virtual machine thing ?
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• 2663[17:19:55] <jmcnaught> debkad: yes it is
• 2664[17:20:06] <debkad> ok i will remove it
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• 2675[17:21:54] <debkad> will be back
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• 2682[17:22:48] <hanshenrik__> also something called open-vm-tools-desktop
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• 2694[17:27:10] <debkad> jmcnaught, jelly thanks i think everything is good now
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• 2700[17:30:18] <jelly> debkad: well yes, vmhgfs is part of extensions for vmware-based VMs
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• 2713[17:35:54] <edmont> hi
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• 2716[17:37:14] <edmont> why my wifi is not getting a dhcp ip at startup?
• 2717[17:37:20] <edmont> auto wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp
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• 2720[17:37:51] <edmont> if I do dhclient -i wlan0 after login it gets an ip
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• 2724[17:38:19] <jmcnaught> edmont: how are you telling your wlan0 which SSID to connect to? Is there a WPA key?
• 2725[17:38:55] <edmont> jmcnaught: wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/ssid.conf
• 2726[17:38:58] <edmont> that works
• 2727[17:39:29] <edmont> after startup the interface is up and connected but without any addresses
• 2728[17:39:46] <jmcnaught> edmont: looking at "systemctl status networking" might give you some clues
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• 2731[17:39:52] <edmont> ok
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• 2736[17:42:40] <edmont> mmmm: Configuring network interfaces.../etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant: 120: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant: cannot create /dev/stderr: No such device or address
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• 2748[17:46:13] <jelly> edmont: pastebin your /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant, and which verison of wpasupplicant package is installed?
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• 2755[17:49:18] <edmont> jelly: replaced-url
• 2756[17:49:59] <jelly> edmont: which package version? Is this debian or raspbian?
• 2757[17:50:07] <jelly> edmont: dpkg -l wpasupplicant
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• 2759[17:51:08] <edmont> raspbian
• 2760[17:51:11] <jelly> !raspbian
• 2761[17:51:11] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 2762[17:51:35] <edmont> ii wpasupplicant 2.3-1+deb8u3 armhf client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)
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• 2764[17:51:52] <jelly> edmont: ask in the right channel and try to figure out with them if /dev/stderr perhaps fails to exist at that point
• 2765[17:52:08] <edmont> ok, thanks
• 2766[17:52:16] <jelly> (unlikely but who knows with a derivative distro)
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• 2783[17:57:57] <debkad> o_o
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• 2835[18:19:35] <Valoo> Hi
• 2836[18:19:48] <nixz> hello.. I have an issue with my debian install. I can not ssh into it. same network. No firewall.
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• 2838[18:20:09] <somiaj> nixz: did you install the ssh server?
• 2839[18:20:13] <nixz> yes.
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• 2841[18:20:36] <somiaj> nixz: are you sure the ssh server is running? What is the issue when you try to ssh into it, add ssh -vvv user@host for more output
• 2842[18:20:40] <nixz> before I changed the config... I can ssh.. I am trying to allow remote root access.
• 2843[18:20:55] <Valoo> Anyone know where I can find common functions (print, ...) already written in assembly?
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• 2845[18:21:12] <jelly> nixz: did you verify it came back up after reloading the service to apply the changes
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• 2847[18:21:46] <nixz> it says could not resolve hostname root
• 2848[18:21:54] <jelly> what does?
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• 2850[18:22:33] <jelly> nixz: show the exact, complete command you're running, and complete output
• 2851[18:22:46] <nixz> ssh -vvv root
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• 2853[18:23:17] <jelly> nixz: you're supposed to ssh -vvv root@server-name-goes-here
• 2854[18:23:21] <nixz> what's next to Hostname in line 19 by default... I noticed mine here is Hostname *
• 2855[18:23:22] <somiaj> nixz: root is most likely not the name of the server you want to ssh to. give the domani name or ip of the server as well.
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• 2858[18:24:40] <jelly> nixz: there is no "Hostname" in the default sshd_config
• 2859[18:25:00] <nixz> I mean Host. Sorry
• 2860[18:25:16] <nixz> how to give domain to server
• 2861[18:25:17] <nixz> ?
• 2862[18:25:28] <jelly> there is no "Host" keyword, either.
• 2863[18:25:31] <nixz> i remember.. I left if blank during the isntallation
• 2864[18:25:31] <Iridos> has anyone here heard of "taskstats"? From kerneldoc description that seems to do something that I want… but how do you even use it? are there programs that use it?
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• 2866[18:25:52] <nixz> in two installs.. I have Host.
• 2867[18:25:58] <nixz> at line 19.
• 2868[18:26:11] <jelly> nixz: whcih debian release is this?
• 2869[18:26:26] <nixz> jessie
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• 2871[18:26:40] <Iridos> oh, seems there's a 500-line example program :-/
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• 2873[18:27:55] <jelly> nixz: pastebin your /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and try to compare it to the embedded one in /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst (starting after the line containing.... cat <<EOF > /etc/ssh/sshd_config(
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• 2875[18:28:51] <jelly> !paste
• 2876[18:28:52] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 2893[18:34:24] <r00t3r> hi guys
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• 2897[18:35:11] <debkad> hi
• 2898[18:35:19] <r00t3r> basically I have a ubuntu router
• 2899[18:35:20] <nixz> how to reinstall open-ssh and purge whatever changes I made to its config file?
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• 2901[18:35:38] <r00t3r> and I want to inspect traffic that comes in or out of it
• 2902[18:35:47] <r00t3r> what is the best way to see this?
• 2903[18:35:47] <debkad> may be apt-get purge
• 2904[18:35:52] <r00t3r> in an organised manner?
• 2905[18:36:08] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell nixz about confnew
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• 2908[18:36:41] <nixz> thank you guys
• 2909[18:36:48] <jmcnaught> r00t3r: please ask in #ubuntu, this channel is only for Debian (not derivatives :)
• 2910[18:37:04] <r00t3r> fuck I hate linux
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• 2912[18:37:10] <jelly> r00t3r: ask in #ubuntu-server, or #ubuntu, or linux or even networking
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• 2914[18:37:21] <crazyadm> nixz, delete ~/.ssh
• 2915[18:37:39] <jelly> crazyadm: that's totally irrelevant for sshd
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• 2917[18:37:44] <crazyadm> ssh-keygen
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• 2919[18:38:00] <jelly> crazyadm: please stop guessing.
• 2920[18:38:34] <crazyadm> that's same as reinstalling
• 2921[18:38:34] <jelly> nixz: aptitude purge openssh-server, and then install it back, ought to work
• 2922[18:38:53] <crazyadm> but that won't remove config file
• 2923[18:38:54] <nixz> yes, jelly. I did it that way. Thank you for being helpful.
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• 2925[18:39:06] <crazyadm> when he reinstall, it's exactly same as it were
• 2926[18:39:27] <nixz> crazyadm, I recognize you.. so what's your suggestion?
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• 2928[18:39:38] <jelly> crazyadm: that has nothing to do with sshd config file
• 2929[18:39:52] <debkad> i asked in #lxde channel for a while about a simple zoom tool, no answer yet, i tried vmg and figuring is only text based, kmag but it need big dependency install ( qt ), another choice is compiz but as i have an old pc i can't use it
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• 2931[18:40:46] <crazyadm> remove /etc/ssh, ~/.ssh, root/.ssh
• 2932[18:40:58] <crazyadm> reinstall sshd
• 2933[18:41:00] <jelly> debkad: xzoom ?
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• 2935[18:41:23] <debkad> jelly, that one i tried it before but it suck
• 2936[18:41:26] <jelly> crazyadm: there's no need to touch any of those by hand
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• 2939[18:41:36] <nixz> crazyadm, attitude purge openssh-server did the trick already.
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• 2941[18:41:40] <debkad> it show ugly text or picture
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• 2943[18:41:56] <nixz> I can now access the server in ssh.
• 2944[18:41:58] <jelly> debkad: yes, but it works everywhere
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• 2946[18:42:10] <nixz> how to allow root access to ssh?
• 2947[18:42:15] <crazyadm> kernel: TCP: time wait bucket table overflow kernel: nf_conntrack: table full, dropping packet
• 2948[18:42:23] <crazyadm> how do i fix those two
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• 2950[18:42:46] <nixz> I wanted to use winscp to see and manipulate files....
• 2951[18:43:12] <hoaa127> I have a dedicated server, but I have never cared about email.
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• 2953[18:43:22] <hoaa127> How to know if I have a mail server installed?
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• 2957[18:43:58] <nkuttler> hoaa127: apt-cache policy exim4 ?
• 2958[18:43:59] <jelly> nixz: which files, your data or global config files?
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• 2960[18:44:24] <nixz> data I think
• 2961[18:44:27] <nixz> how to be sure?
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• 2964[18:45:01] <jelly> hoaa127: aptitude search '~i ?provides(mail-transport-agent)'
• 2965[18:45:01] <jmcnaught> hoaa127: one way is to search for installed packages that provide the virtual package mail-transport-agent: aptitude search ~i~Pmail-transport-agent
• 2966[18:45:08] <jmcnaught> heh
• 2967[18:45:19] <crazyadm> just telnet localhost 25
• 2968[18:45:21] <jelly> nixz: I'm asking YOU which files do you want to edit?
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• 2970[18:45:42] <debkad> jelly, it is not handy to control it ( if we don't count the quality )
• 2971[18:45:52] <hoaa127> jelly: i have: "i postfix - High-performance mail transport agent"
• 2972[18:46:03] <hoaa127> Does this mean I have a "mail server" ?
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• 2975[18:46:24] <surfist> what does this mean? /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[977]: (WW) "libinput" will not be loaded unless you've specified it to be loaded elsewhere.
• 2976[18:46:26] <nixz> This one /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
• 2977[18:46:32] <jelly> hoaa127: that is one of smtp server software packages, that can be configured to receive mail from internet.
• 2978[18:46:42] <surfist> could that be why touchpad is not working for scrolling?
• 2979[18:46:56] <hoaa127> jelly: that can be configured to *send* mail to internet, right?
• 2980[18:47:02] <surfist> or the tab is missing from config
• 2981[18:47:03] <jelly> hoaa127: that too.
• 2982[18:47:05] <hoaa127> ok
• 2983[18:47:32] <hoaa127> Does this mean I can use my server as a SMTP (example in Thunderbird, etc. ?)
• 2984[18:47:36] <crazyadm> that's your sshd config file
• 2985[18:48:08] <init7> jelly install virtualmin so u have all things preconfigured
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• 2987[18:48:16] <jmcnaught> hoaa127: there's a little more involved with setting up an MTA than installing postfix, but postfix is certainly capable of filling that role
• 2988[18:48:32] <nixz> crazyadm, so what would you suggest?
• 2989[18:48:34] <jelly> hoaa127: no, that's just a necessary requirement. You also need your own domain, prefereably matching A/AAAA and PTR records for your system, and all sorts of stuff
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• 2992[18:48:47] <crazyadm> nixz, what you trying to do?
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• 2994[18:49:10] <nixz> crazyadm, trying to allow remote root access using ssh
• 2995[18:49:20] <jelly> nixz: you want to change /etc/ssh/sshd_config to allow root access so you can edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config ???
• 2996[18:49:42] <hoaa127> jelly: i have a few domains, apache, etc. In short, is it very easy (< 10 minutes), medium easy (1 - 2 hours) or a long task ( > 3 hours) to be able to use my server as a SMTP in external mail clients (Thunderbird, etc.) ?
• 2997[18:49:47] <jelly> nixz: that sounds a bit recursive
• 2998[18:49:48] <crazyadm> edit your /etc/sshd_config
• 2999[18:49:49] <jmcnaught> nixz: on jessie the simplest way to accomplish this is to add an SSH key to the root account
• 3000[18:49:52] <nixz> no.
• 3001[18:49:55] <hoaa127> given that I have neer done it in the past
• 3002[18:50:05] <nkuttler> hoaa127: depends, do you care about sending email to other people?
• 3003[18:50:06] <hoaa127> Are there some tricky configuration steps?
• 3004[18:50:08] <surfist> why not just ssh in and su to root?
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• 3006[18:50:11] <crazyadm> RootPermission yes
• 3007[18:50:24] <hoaa127> nkuttler: yes, a lot, for my customers, I need my emails to be sent
• 3008[18:50:27] <jelly> crazyadm: dude. Stop writing nonsense.
• 3009[18:50:29] <nixz> I saw this.. replaced-url
• 3010[18:50:39] <nkuttler> hoaa127: 2-3 days i'd say
• 3011[18:51:00] <jelly> crazyadm: please only help people with issues you 100% know exactly how to solve
• 3012[18:51:24] <surfist> ssh in as root opens the door to brute force attacks
• 3013[18:51:24] <hoaa127> nkuttler: really??
• 3014[18:51:41] <crazyadm> nixz, echo 'PermitRootLogin yes' >> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
• 3015[18:51:47] <nkuttler> hoaa127: reliably delivering mail is hard, thank the spammers
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• 3019[18:51:55] <hoaa127> nkuttler: true
• 3020[18:51:58] <jelly> crazyadm: muted for an hour
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• 3022[18:52:10] <jelly> nixz: do avoid doing what crazyadm told you to
• 3023[18:52:21] <nixz> yes. I did not do it. :)
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• 3025[18:52:37] <jelly> you already have a PermitRootLogin line, and it's set to allow login with ssh key
• 3026[18:52:48] <jelly> (PermitRootLogin without-password)
• 3027[18:52:49] <nixz> okay.
• 3028[18:52:55] <nixz> yes. I see that line.
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• 3030[18:53:26] <jelly> now you just have to generate a key pair on your ssh client machine, and add it into /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
• 3031[18:53:44] <nixz> ah okay..
• 3032[18:53:50] <nixz> how to do it about?
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• 3035[18:54:08] <jmcnaught> hoaa127: how familiar are you with SMTP? if not very, starting with replaced-url
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• 3037[18:54:36] <hoaa127> jmcnaught: argghh seems too complex for me now. I'll keep my good old smtp from a third party (sendgrid)
• 3038[18:54:39] <greycat> Use ssh-keygen to generate the key pair. Copy the PUBLIC key (not the private key) to the remote machine and then append it to the FILE named authorized_keys in the target user's ~/.ssh/ directory (creating the file it's not already there)
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• 3044[18:56:29] <jmcnaught> hoaa127: not a bad idea to use a third party unless you're ready for a bunch of responsibility. If you send mail for more users than yourself, staying off of blacklists can be an ongoing effort
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• 3046[18:56:32] <debkad> i give up on zooming tool, it is sad there is no simple and handy tool for that
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• 3048[18:56:50] <hoaa127> jmcnaught: ok, good to know
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• 3050[18:57:15] <jmcnaught> hoaa127: you can of course configure postfix or another MTA to be able to send mail through sendgrid. A lot of linux software assumes it can send mail with the mail or sendmail commands
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• 3054[18:57:39] <hoaa127> jmcnaught: then it's easier to use smtp.sendgrid.net directly from thunderbird etc.
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• 3056[18:58:25] <jelly> nixz: which shs client do you use for terminal, putty?
• 3057[18:58:29] <jelly> ssh* client
• 3058[18:58:43] <nixz> yes. Putty jelly
• 3059[18:58:56] <jmcnaught> hoaa127: sure. and on your dedicated server you can have postfix relay mail through sendgrid as well (so for example you can get emails sent to root)
• 3060[18:59:02] <jelly> nixz: then grab puttygen from their site, you can use that to generate the key pair
• 3061[18:59:28] <nixz> don't have issue with putty.. only in winscp.. I can not login using root account. That's why I wanted to enable remote root access.
• 3062[19:00:14] <jelly> nixz: and once you have a key pair and put the right half in winscp, and the other half in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server, you'll be able to do so
• 3063[19:00:41] <jelly> it's possible winscp has its own key gen, I just don't know
• 3064[19:00:42] <nixz> I will try that. Thanks.
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• 3066[19:01:55] <jelly> replaced-url
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• 3069[19:03:07] <jelly> surfist: the default setup in Debian 8, (PermitRootLogin without-password) avoids your worry about <surfist> ssh in as root opens the door to brute force attacks
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• 3082[19:07:32] <jhutchins> nixz: The only step you should need is to point the winscp profile to the putty private key.
• 3083[19:07:58] <jhutchins> nixz: Shouldn't need to generate a new pair if it's already working in putty.
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• 3085[19:08:07] <nixz> jhutchins, been trying to do what jelly is recommending..
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• 3087[19:08:51] <nixz> yours is a good idea too.. the only thing is.. I don't know how to do it.. But once I can make this working.. surely it is a lesson learned to my part.
• 3088[19:08:52] <nixz> :)
• 3089[19:08:53] <jelly> nixz: are you logging in with password when using putty right now?
• 3090[19:08:55] <jhutchins> nixz: Either way will work.
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• 3092[19:09:18] <nixz> yes, jelly. Using a privileged account.
• 3093[19:09:30] <jhutchins> nixz: Look in the putty profile, it will show where the key is.
• 3094[19:09:32] <jelly> then what jhutchins talks about isn't in place yet
• 3095[19:09:54] <jhutchins> Corret, I thought you had without-password enabled already.
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• 3097[19:10:06] <jelly> jhutchins: that's just for root
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• 3099[19:10:31] <jhutchins> Sorry, I'll stop confusing the issue.
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• 3104[19:14:40] <jelly> nixz: when you generate a key pair, winscp (and also putty itself!) can use the private key part. The "Public key for pasting into authorized_keys file" should be copy/pasted into /root/.ssh/authorized_keys file on the server. In a root shell, you can just run "cat > /root/.ssh/authorized_keys", paste it, press enter, then press Control-D
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• 3108[19:15:13] <jelly> or paste into "nano /root/.ssh/authorized_keys" and hope it doesn't automatically wrap the text
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• 3115[19:16:45] <greycat> Safer to use cat >> /root/.ssh/authorized_keys just in case there were already keys present.
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• 3117[19:17:44] <greycat> Also, if you create the key pair in putty(gen), you'll probably have to convert it to OpenSSH format. Unless Putty has changed in the last couple years.
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• 3120[19:18:09] <jelly> greycat: which crazy shell allows >> on nonexistent file
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• 3123[19:18:48] <nixz> got this.. /root/.ssh/authorized_keys: No such file or directory
• 3124[19:19:10] <greycat> jelly: all of them.
• 3125[19:19:16] <jelly> nixz: mkdir /root/.ssh, if the directory does not exist
• 3126[19:19:33] <virtualsex> create one
• 3127[19:19:35] <jelly> greycat: dash doesn't by default, zsh doesn't either
• 3128[19:19:45] <greycat> imadev:~$ csh
• 3129[19:19:45] <greycat> % echo stuff >> non-existent-file-for-jelly
• 3130[19:19:45] <greycat> %
• 3131[19:19:46] <dselect> stuff >> non-existent-file-for-jelly
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• 3134[19:19:58] <greycat> jelly: sorry, you're mistaken. Perhaps you have enabled some weird option.
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• 3137[19:20:38] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ dash
• 3138[19:20:38] <greycat> $ echo stuff >> where-is-the-file
• 3139[19:20:38] <greycat> $
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• 3141[19:21:04] <jelly> greycat: jessie?
• 3142[19:21:23] <greycat> Every shell on every unix, seriously. Yes. wooledg is jessie.
• 3143[19:21:38] <greycat> (OK, maybe not rc or fish. I never learned those.)
• 3144[19:22:38] <jelly> oh, I didn't read the error message in dash case here.
• 3145[19:22:43] <nixz> jelly, got it.. THanks.
• 3146[19:22:55] <nixz> how about in the client side?
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• 3148[19:23:24] <jelly> nixz: I guess you now read the winscp docs to see where to add the private key
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• 3152[19:25:18] <jelly> (and apparently my own zsh really behaves differently from a zsh -f)
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• 3154[19:26:20] <jelly> virtualsex: please don't evade bans.
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• 3171[19:31:59] <DexterF> hi all
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• 3173[19:32:48] <DexterF> can deb8 create a raid5 md device and install to that from the installation cd?
• 3174[19:33:28] <greycat> I'm not sure that /boot can be on a raid5, but everything else can for sure.
• 3175[19:33:29] <nixz> got it working jelly! Thank you for your help.
• 3176[19:33:38] <jelly> DexterF: you still probably want to have a separate raid1 for /boot
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• 3178[19:34:21] <DexterF> jelly: grub not 100% ok with looking for its kernel on raid5 yet?
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• 3180[19:34:54] <jelly> nixz: remember windows and unix use slightly different line endings for text files, so use an editor that can autodetect and use unix line endings (Notepad++ comes to mind)
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• 3185[19:35:40] <jelly> DexterF: I honestly do not know
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• 3188[19:36:12] <jelly> last time I'd look it barely learned to use md raid 1.2 metadata format
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• 3190[19:36:37] <jelly> I'm still going with 1.0 format for /boot when installing on md raid
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• 3192[19:37:09] * jelly does not like relying on features only found in latest versions
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• 3195[19:38:40] <jelly> %
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• 3197[19:39:02] <jelly> % blargle
• 3198[19:39:05] <jelly> %
• 3199[19:39:47] <jelly> dselect: literal echo
• 3200[19:39:47] <dselect> "echo" is "<reply>ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o......."
• 3201[19:39:58] <jelly> % echo how then
• 3202[19:39:58] <dselect> how then
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• 3205[19:40:34] <jelly> must be a builtin
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• 3222[19:46:15] <DammitJim> what log shows that a service was restarted?
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• 3227[19:48:47] <DexterF> general problems with /boot+grub on a usb thumb drive? (or even 2 usb drives in raid1...)
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• 3231[19:49:21] <greycat> DammitJim: in systemd, systemctl does
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• 3236[19:49:36] <DammitJim> thanks
• 3237[19:49:36] <leba2> How can I list the group(s) a specific user belongs to?
• 3238[19:49:43] <greycat> leba2: groups username
• 3239[19:49:54] <leba2> Thanks.
• 3240[19:49:59] <leba2> Thanks.
• 3241[19:50:05] <leba2> (ouch)
• 3242[19:50:19] <newbie22> groups newbie22
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• 3246[19:51:54] <leba2> And how to list all users a group has?
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• 3248[19:52:14] <greycat> probably by grepping /etc/group
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• 3250[19:52:32] <jelly> leba2: groups command
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• 3252[19:52:47] <greycat> but of course that only shows users that have it as a *supplementary* group, not a primary group
• 3253[19:53:13] <leba2> I think I'm talking about primary groups...
• 3254[19:53:15] <jelly> oops, I did't read the question
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• 3256[19:53:27] <greycat> She reversed the question from its original form.
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• 3258[19:53:34] <leba2> How to list all users a primary group has?
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• 3261[19:53:40] <leba2> Is jelly woman?
• 3262[19:53:53] <greycat> awk -F: '$3 == whatevergid'
• 3263[19:53:56] <jelly> leba2: that shall remain unanswered
• 3264[19:53:58] <greycat> awk -F: '$3 == whatevergid' /etc/passwd
• 3265[19:54:14] <greycat> wait, 3 or 4
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• 3267[19:54:25] <leba2> jelly: ok, sorry
• 3268[19:54:28] <greycat> sorry, group is $4
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• 3272[19:55:30] <raylu> i used to use python-pypy.sandbox but that package has been removed. is there somewhere i can go to find out why? replaced-url
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• 3274[19:55:42] <jelly> ,v python-pypy.sandbox
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• 3276[19:55:43] <judd> Package: python-pypy.sandbox on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.0+dfsg-3
• 3277[19:56:03] <jelly> ,bug rm python-pypy.sandbox
• 3278[19:56:07] <judd> Sorry, no removal reasons were found.
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• 3282[19:57:08] <jelly> raylu: you could try replaced-url
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• 3286[19:58:13] <jelly> raylu: since it's built from pypy source, the changelog (either debian's or upstream) may have further clues
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• 3296[20:00:30] <raylu> * Drop python-pypy.sandbox. It is broken upstream in 5.4.0, as it has been
• 3297[20:00:31] <raylu> in all upstream releases in recent history.
• 3298[20:00:32] <raylu> :(
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• 3380[20:36:29] <iZ6S82> Hello
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• 3386[20:37:31] <iZ6S82> How can I fix the date little issue? It shows up (UTC+0200) instead of CEST?
• 3387[20:37:57] <jelly> iZ6S82: can you show the full output of "date" please
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• 3389[20:38:29] <murder> hello, regarding CVE-2016-5387 (replaced-url
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• 3391[20:38:53] <iZ6S82> jelly: Could I paste it? It's in french
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• 3393[20:39:09] <greycat> Yes, paste it. Should be one line.
• 3394[20:39:11] <jelly> iZ6S82: sure, it's one line
• 3395[20:39:23] <iZ6S82> jelly: jeudi 15 septembre 2016, 20:37:22 (UTC+0200)
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• 3400[20:40:38] <jelly> iZ6S82: what about "LC_ALL=C date"?
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• 3402[20:41:03] <iZ6S82> it's correct
• 3403[20:41:06] <iZ6S82> Thu Sep 15 20:41:28 CEST 2016
• 3404[20:41:34] <jelly> it's possible your locale settings have a strange format for date
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• 3406[20:41:55] <jelly> iZ6S82: pastebin the output of "locale" (use replaced-url
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• 3408[20:43:30] <iZ6S82> jelly: I did "export LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF-8" and nothing happend but fr_FR.UTF-8 has been added to the var
• 3409[20:43:51] <greycat> You shouldn't permanently set LC_ALL like that.
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• 3411[20:44:13] <jelly> huh
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• 3413[20:44:22] <jelly> LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF-8 date
• 3414[20:44:22] <jelly> jeudi 15 septembre 2016, 20:44:04 (UTC+0200)
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• 3417[20:44:47] <jelly> so yeah, that locale really does have a strange default format
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• 3421[20:45:25] <iZ6S82> On another machine with gentoo I set up LANG and LC_ALL to fr_FR.UTF-8 and it looks like - jeu. sept. 15 20:40:11 CEST 2016
• 3422[20:46:00] <jelly> iZ6S82: different glibc version, possibly, thus different locale definitions
• 3423[20:46:30] <iZ6S82> jelly: it should say HAEC instead of CEST to be honest
• 3424[20:46:35] <jelly> heh
• 3425[20:46:54] <iZ6S82> here is why replaced-url
• 3426[20:47:24] <jelly> I'm not sure glibc has TZ names themselves localized.
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• 3428[20:48:28] <iZ6S82> what's the right way to set up timezone and LANG on a machne displaying C?
• 3429[20:48:52] <greycat> Set the locale for your session using your dot files, or using dpkg-reconfigure locales
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• 3431[20:49:27] <greycat> Set the default timezone with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
• 3432[20:49:53] <iZ6S82> I don't have access to root account
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• 3435[20:50:55] <greycat> Then all you can do is change your own locale variables (LANG is the primary one)
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• 3437[20:51:19] <iZ6S82> Should I change the var LANG only?
• 3438[20:51:30] <iZ6S82> don't touch LC_ALL ?
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• 3441[20:51:37] <greycat> Correct.
• 3442[20:51:45] <iZ6S82> May I ask why?
• 3443[20:52:11] <Hello71> because if you use the override for your global configuration then you will have no override
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• 3445[20:52:44] <iZ6S82> So LC_ALL override everything?
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• 3447[20:53:02] <jelly> you can combine LANG with more specific LC_TIME etc. You can't combine LC_ALL with anything else
• 3448[20:53:06] <greycat> Yes. LC_ALL overrides LC_COLLATE and LC_TIME and so on, which override LANG.
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• 3451[20:53:37] <greycat> If you want your regular locale for everything except date/time format, you should set LANG and LC_TIME.
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• 3455[20:54:21] <greycat> (I do this on a non-Debian system that has what I consider a ridiculous date format.)
• 3456[20:54:26] <iZ6S82> So in the LC_TIME should i put "/usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Paris"
• 3457[20:54:30] <Hello71> or modify your locale
• 3458[20:54:33] <Hello71> wat
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• 3460[20:54:48] <greycat> No, LC_TIME would take another locale value, like "C" or "en_US.utf8" or whatever you want.
• 3461[20:55:01] <iZ6S82> ah ok
• 3462[20:55:14] <greycat> If you want to change your user account's notion of the current time zone, you set the TZ variable instead.
• 3463[20:55:18] <iZ6S82> So timezone should be set via the var TZ
• 3464[20:55:27] <iZ6S82> yeah I knew it :)
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• 3466[20:57:32] <iZ6S82> greycat: do you see the LC_TIME variable in your locales?
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• 3469[20:57:48] <greycat> Depends on which systen you're asking me about.
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• 3472[20:58:06] <iZ6S82> greycat: GNU/Linux
• 3473[20:58:36] <greycat> on Debian, the en_US.utf8 locale gives me a date format I can live with, so I don't override it. I just have LANG=en_US.utf8
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• 3475[20:59:13] <iZ6S82> thre is no $LC_TIME on gentoo or debian
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• 3477[20:59:18] <iZ6S82> there*
• 3478[21:00:02] <greycat> Not by default. But you could set one.
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• 3481[21:00:35] <greycat> Compare "date" and "LC_TIME=C date"
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• 3483[21:00:52] <jelly> I'm never sure why "locales" shows en_US.utf8 but debconf sets things (using aliases?) named like en_US.UTF-8 with uppercase and minus UTF-8
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• 3488[21:01:47] <jelly> er, "locale" the command
• 3489[21:01:49] <iZ6S82> greycat: yeah you're right
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• 3491[21:02:24] <iZ6S82> greycat: by default the LC_TIME variable is not set up
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• 3498[21:09:07] <iZ6S82> greycat: date changes even when i set up LANG=C date
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• 3504[21:10:05] <greycat> Date *format* is controlled by LANG, but LC_TIME overrides LANG, and LC_ALL overrides both of those.
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• 3508[21:10:31] <greycat> The actual *date* is controlled by the system time and your time zone (which is selected by the TZ variable, or the system's default).
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• 3511[21:11:04] <iZ6S82> ok thank you
• 3512[21:11:07] <iZ6S82> for the help
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• 3525[21:13:10] <sjdfjsd> STUPID QUESTION TIME
• 3526[21:13:39] <sjdfjsd> My laptop supports protecting the battery
• 3527[21:13:57] <sjdfjsd> So when 98% the battery can stop charging
• 3528[21:14:03] <sjdfjsd> How do I do this under linux
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• 3537[21:15:49] <mtn> sjdfjsd: if your laptop supports it, it must be a setting in the bios, right?
• 3538[21:16:04] <sjdfjsd> no
• 3539[21:16:05] <towo`> i can't find "my laptop" in any shop i can find
• 3540[21:16:05] <sjdfjsd> software
• 3541[21:16:15] <sjdfjsd> towo`: ...
• 3542[21:16:24] <teraflops> sjdfjsd: iirc there's a script for thinkpads
• 3543[21:16:26] <sjdfjsd> Rather than be snarky and sarcastic why not ask the model
• 3544[21:16:32] <sjdfjsd> teraflops: elitebook 8460p
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• 3547[21:16:44] <teraflops> no idea then
• 3548[21:16:48] <sjdfjsd> I'm giving up the fingerpritn scanner
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• 3550[21:16:59] <teraflops> i was talking about replaced-url
• 3551[21:17:21] <towo`> replaced-url
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• 3553[21:18:08] <sjdfjsd> ...
• 3554[21:18:14] <sjdfjsd> towo`: seriously shove it up your ass.
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• 3556[21:18:34] <mtn> good way to get help
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• 3558[21:18:42] <sjdfjsd> mtn: DOnt be like towo`
• 3559[21:18:52] <mtn> sjdfjsd: don't be a jerk. good luck
• 3560[21:18:56] <sjdfjsd> He's been snarky and rude and now just links Google rather than offering suggestiosn
• 3561[21:19:02] <Hello71> sjdfjsd: hint: if it seems like everybody else hates you, maybe it isn't everybody else's fault
• 3562[21:19:07] <sjdfjsd> I'm not being a jerk. I'm treating him the way he is treating me.
• 3563[21:19:10] <Hello71> just a thought
• 3564[21:19:13] <greycat> sjdfjsd: You are being a jerk.
• 3565[21:19:29] <sjdfjsd> I'm responding to snark and rudeness with teh same thing.
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• 3567[21:19:36] <sjdfjsd> I'm not at my job, I don't have to kiss ass.
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• 3571[21:19:55] <Hello71> sjdfjsd: yes, at your job money is involved. here people help for free
• 3572[21:19:58] <sjdfjsd> teraflops: I've looked at the Thinkpad one but it seems like Elitebooks are a lot less popualr with Linux users
• 3573[21:20:16] <sjdfjsd> Hello71: we swear and fight in the back room
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• 3577[21:20:37] <sjdfjsd> On the floor we're sweet
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• 3579[21:21:07] <sjdfjsd> Anways not talking to people who think "just google it" or linking google is a valid answer
• 3580[21:21:13] <teraflops> c'mon guys
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• 3582[21:21:33] <sjdfjsd> I'm trying to access the ability to enable thresholds on a elitebook. I already have done a bit of research and it appears Thinkpads have packages for this
• 3583[21:21:58] <sjdfjsd> So don't just say "google it" or litterally link a google search and expect me to be kind.
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• 3585[21:22:18] <jelly> sjdfjsd: even if the first result in google shows 2 plausible good answers?
• 3586[21:23:10] <jelly> admittedly one for older, one for newer thinkpads
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• 3591[21:24:08] <sec> sjdfjsd, Thresholds for?
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• 3593[21:25:15] <sjdfjsd> sec: charging jelly they focus on thinkpads
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• 3595[21:25:26] <sjdfjsd> Elitebooks aren't very popular in the linux community apparently
• 3596[21:25:42] <greycat> Apparently he wants his battery to stop charging at 98% and he believes this requires application-level software instead of being built into the hardware. (I have absolutely no idea whether that is true.)
• 3597[21:25:44] <sjdfjsd> I admit, they have inferior keyboards compared to thinkpads but the overall build quality is nicer
• 3598[21:26:05] <sec> sjdfjsd, that's because most manufacturers do not provide an easy way for the operating system to talk to the controller on the battery itself
• 3599[21:26:11] <sjdfjsd> greycat: it only becomes enabled once you install HP's "protect tools" (it enables a lot of little thigns)
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• 3602[21:26:32] <sjdfjsd> sec: I know, it kills me
• 3603[21:26:44] <sjdfjsd> my fingerprint scanner only recently became supported though a hacky RE job
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• 3605[21:26:53] <sec> sjdfjsd, if it's a recent machine, it already has a threshold set for 95%
• 3606[21:27:01] <sjdfjsd> sec: 2011
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• 3608[21:27:32] <sjdfjsd> I just want to protect against excessive wear caused by being on the charger all the time
• 3609[21:27:37] <sec> Gamble then, can't say, but yes, I've run into this problem as well. If you do find something, do let me know ;P
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• 3611[21:27:41] <jelly> greycat: there are all sorts of "solutions" there and apparently many vendors rely on custom windows-only drivers/tools for their hw to be used in an optimal way
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• 3613[21:27:52] <sjdfjsd> :|
• 3614[21:27:53] <sec> sjdfjsd, then 50% - 75% would be better values
• 3615[21:27:58] <sjdfjsd> I have to ask
• 3616[21:28:07] <sjdfjsd> Does anyone here have a dell xps 13?
• 3617[21:28:20] <jelly> thinkpads also have this thing where "100%" a battery reports isn't actually 100%, for the reasons above
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• 3619[21:28:41] <sjdfjsd> Linux support out of the box make the $1200+ price tag easy to swallow
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• 3622[21:29:01] <jelly> (this gets exposed when a silly user flashed coreboot or libreboot instead of default firmware)
• 3623[21:29:07] <jelly> flashes*
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• 3626[21:30:01] <sec> sjdfjsd, the problem is not with the Linux/open-source community, the problem is with vendors not opening up interfaces to their products. This leaves developers to hack their way around solutions, often not optimal. It makes sense for a developer community to form around laptops that already have traction i.e. ThinkPads
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• 3630[21:30:16] <sjdfjsd> sec: yea :/
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• 3634[21:30:32] <sec> I only buy ThinkPads for this reason alone
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• 3636[21:30:37] <sjdfjsd> Linux will never become mainstream on the desktop due to the excessive amount of distros
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• 3638[21:30:49] <greycat> I wouldn't want it to be.
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• 3640[21:30:54] <sjdfjsd> I would
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• 3643[21:31:33] <jelly> !nopony
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• 3645[21:31:38] <jelly> !nopony sjdfjsd
• 3646[21:31:38] <dpkg> sjdfjsd: replaced-url
• 3647[21:31:54] <sjdfjsd> lol
• 3648[21:31:59] <sjdfjsd> Linux going mainstream would be wesome
• 3649[21:32:10] <sjdfjsd> Chromebooks are the closest we have for laptops
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• 3651[21:32:56] <jelly> linux is already mainstream, just not for workstation usage. Desktops will probably die before there's a year of linux on desktop
• 3652[21:33:05] <sjdfjsd> Desktops will never die.
• 3653[21:33:21] <sjdfjsd> the death of desktops has been on for what, 10 years?
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• 3655[21:33:58] <sec> I am dealing with this issue now with a Realtek wireless SDIO card that doesn't stay connected to my network for more than 15 seconds at a time. From pure hit and trial I have come to the conclusion that generating enough traffic keeps it connected. Constantly pinging my router with a buffer size of exactly 30500 seems to be the sweet spot
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• 3657[21:34:06] <sec> Fucking weird
• 3658[21:34:14] <sjdfjsd> sec: its a realtek
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• 3660[21:34:26] <sjdfjsd> you might as well use broadcom with linux :|
• 3661[21:34:30] <sec> Yes, it's soldered, so I can't do anything about it
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• 3663[21:34:38] <sjdfjsd> aww :(
• 3664[21:34:41] <sjdfjsd> what laptop?
• 3665[21:34:44] <sec> Tablet
• 3666[21:34:48] <sjdfjsd> hiss
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• 3668[21:34:55] <sec> Cheap chinese tablet, Teclast X80 Pro
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• 3670[21:35:07] <sec> $60 shipped
• 3671[21:35:08] <sjdfjsd> housefire
• 3672[21:35:22] <sec> Seems to be working better than the recent Samsungs
• 3673[21:35:25] <sjdfjsd> housefire x2
• 3674[21:35:27] <sec> ;)
• 3675[21:35:28] <somiaj> sec: what do you use to manage that wireless card?
• 3676[21:35:31] <sjdfjsd> kek
• 3677[21:35:44] <sec> What do you mean manage somiaj?
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• 3679[21:36:12] <sjdfjsd> I'm going to continue working on my linux usability project
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• 3681[21:36:25] <somiaj> sec: /etc/network/interfaces, network-manager, etc
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• 3685[21:36:41] <rindolf> Hi all! Where is the link to the VCS with the sources here - replaced-url
• 3686[21:36:53] <sec> I was using Network Manager, but the problem is OS agnostic
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• 3688[21:37:10] <greycat> N: Can't select versions from package 'autotrace' as it is purely virtual
• 3689[21:37:11] <sec> Next step is to open up the back and check the antennae
• 3690[21:37:27] <sec> Internet says they're soldered wrong, so I'll go with that for now
• 3691[21:37:33] <sjdfjsd> sec: should've bought a xiaomi with a nice backdoor :^)
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• 3693[21:37:54] <sec> Nein
• 3694[21:38:09] <sjdfjsd> I trust the chinese gov more than I trust teh US
• 3695[21:38:10] <sjdfjsd> the*
• 3696[21:38:19] <sjdfjsd> WOO
• 3697[21:38:20] <somiaj> sec: ahh didn't realize it was for sure hardware. I had a realtek card in which using wpa_supplicant in a managed mode kept it from timing out when I just used the interfaces file.
• 3698[21:38:24] <sjdfjsd> THIS USB HAS LINUX ON IT :D
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• 3703[21:40:00] <sec> I bought this thinking I could turn this into a house security camera/intercom thingamajig something for the front door
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• 3713[21:45:53] <jelly> rindolf: there isn't one. Compare with the "general" section (left top) of replaced-url
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• 3718[21:49:15] <rindolf> jelly: I see. THanks!
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• 3721[21:50:12] <bigterd> any tricks to use mkfs.ntfs on a file? refuses because it's not a block device
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• 3726[21:50:33] <rindolf> bigterd: loopback device?
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• 3731[21:50:43] <surfist> make a loop file
• 3732[21:51:07] <bigterd> hm.
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• 3734[21:51:14] <bigterd> weird.
• 3735[21:51:19] <bigterd> that's the only one that complains.
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• 3739[21:52:12] <somiaj> Yea, I hvaen't ran into that issue creating a filesystem on a file. Though the ntfs module I thought had poor write support anyways, have you tried ntfs-3g?
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• 3743[21:53:43] <wjerw> I am back
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• 3746[21:54:19] <rindolf> jelly: OK, second question - where can I find the patch for this issue - replaced-url
• 3747[21:54:36] <rindolf> jelly: replaced-url
• 3748[21:54:56] <wjerw> stupid question time.
• 3749[21:55:24] <wjerw> Who rocks a custom kernel here?
• 3750[21:55:31] <wjerw> also what is the purpose to rocking a custom kernel
• 3751[21:57:10] <somiaj> wjerw: some hardware requires options/modules not included in the premade kernels (though this is rare). Sometimes you want to disable/change an option from the defaults. Maybe you just like compiling your own kernel. Some do it because they like to use custom patch sets that are not yet in the main kernels but increase preformance.
• 3752[21:57:17] <jhutchins> wjerw: These days it's fairly rare. Either you want to enable a special feature as a core item, or you want to build a monolithic kernel that loads all of the modules you will need.
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• 3754[21:58:20] <jhutchins> wjerw: Early kernels didn't use modules or use them well, so features were compiled in for every new task. Howtos all began with "First, complie the kernel with <blah> support".
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• 3757[21:58:49] <jhutchins> wjerw: Modules mean the kernel can stay (relatively) light, but any feature you need can be loaded.
• 3758[21:59:17] <somiaj> rindolf: the patch is in the debian sercurity sources, so you need 0.31.1-16+deb7u1 sources not 0.31.1-16
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• 3761[21:59:36] <rindolf> somiaj: ah.
• 3762[21:59:39] <wjerw> jhutchins: what about for battery life?
• 3763[21:59:45] <wjerw> I know people patch the kernel in Android for that reason
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• 3765[22:00:08] <jhutchins> wjerw: Dynamic. Doesn't require changes in the kernel.
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• 3767[22:00:28] <wjerw> Any suggestions for a better battery life?
• 3768[22:00:35] <jhutchins> wjerw: THe realtime kerenel is an example of a different compile.
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• 3770[22:00:36] <wjerw> I'm on a i7 2620m no dGPU
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• 3774[22:01:08] <jhutchins> wjerw: 90% is just install the laptop power packages and disable things you don't need (indexing is a big one).
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• 3777[22:01:40] <jhutchins> Vjetar: Lower resolution might save a little.
• 3778[22:01:44] <somiaj> rindolf: actually this might be wheezy-lts sources (since that is who is support wheezy now)
• 3779[22:01:46] <teraflops> wjerw: powertop looks like a good idea
• 3780[22:01:59] <jhutchins> wjerw: It's worth googling.
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• 3782[22:02:10] <somiaj> rindolf: but new sources shoudln't be needed so I assume it is on the debian security mirrors.
• 3783[22:02:27] <rindolf> somiaj: it's quite a breadcrumbs trail.
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• 3788[22:03:53] <somiaj> rindolf: replaced-url
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• 3792[22:04:12] <wjerw> jhutchins: indexing...?
• 3793[22:04:38] <crash_> i build my own kernel beacuse i want to be on the 4.4 lts branch and not use the 4.6 backports kernel.
• 3794[22:04:54] <rindolf> somiaj: thanks!
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• 3797[22:05:44] <wjerw> Anyone know how to make debian... material-y
• 3798[22:06:06] <stoned> huh
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• 3800[22:06:13] <teraflops> thewat?
• 3801[22:06:18] <stoned> come again
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• 3803[22:06:43] <jelly> "material" is a look/theme used by a different OS
• 3804[22:06:50] <stoned> oh.
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• 3806[22:06:55] <wjerw> not a different os
• 3807[22:07:01] <wjerw> it's a philosiphy of design
• 3808[22:07:02] <jhutchins> wjerw: Kde and presumably gnome index all of your content. It's a huge load on the system, even backgrounded and throttled.
• 3809[22:07:03] <stoned> Sure
• 3810[22:07:10] <teraflops> wjerw: look for themes for your WM/DE?
• 3811[22:07:14] <wjerw> ye
• 3812[22:07:16] <wjerw> openbox
• 3813[22:07:23] <stoned> man
• 3814[22:07:38] <stoned> ever since I switched to Xmonad, mind is unencumbered by all those silly thoughts
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• 3817[22:07:47] <stoned> themes and looks and such.. waste of time imo
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• 3821[22:08:01] * crash_ is on i3 have not tried xmonad
• 3822[22:08:06] <teraflops> stoned: oh you are clever xmonad is my wm too :P
• 3823[22:08:12] <stoned> :)
• 3824[22:08:21] <stoned> It's a wonderful wm framework
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• 3828[22:09:00] <bhurstpdx1> any ideas as to what the effect of this permission set is? -rwxr-S--x
• 3829[22:09:19] <crash_> stoned: what is your selling point of xmonad contra i3wm?
• 3830[22:09:44] <somiaj> bhurstpdx1: did you get this question answered the other day. The captial S is the setuid bit without the executable bit being set.
• 3831[22:09:46] <stoned> They're both good. I like Xmonad b/c my brained liked it for some reason. No idea.
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• 3833[22:09:52] <greycat> bhurstpdx1: Usually it means you screwed up a chmod.
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• 3835[22:09:55] <jelly> bhurstpdx1: why do you ask, is there a context where this particular value is seen?
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• 3837[22:10:41] <teraflops> stoned: i bet you use xmonad because xinerama support :P
• 3838[22:10:41] <jelly> somiaj: setgid bit, but yeah
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• 3840[22:10:50] <somiaj> jelly: oh yea, group. Thanks. (;
• 3841[22:10:51] <crash_> stoned: ok i see :P
• 3842[22:11:01] <stoned> user is rwx, group is r/setgid/no execute
• 3843[22:11:06] <stoned> other has only execute
• 3844[22:11:09] <stoned> that's a goofy permission set
• 3845[22:11:13] <jelly> it looked so weird I didn't even notice it was not a directory
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• 3847[22:11:25] <greycat> There was someone else asking this SAME FUCKING QUESTION yesterday, wasn't there?
• 3848[22:11:29] <somiaj> jelly: I only noticed because there was a question yesterday about this same thing.
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• 3850[22:11:41] <jelly> greycat: probably the same fucking person
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• 3852[22:11:52] <greycat> Ah, you might be right.
• 3853[22:12:07] <teraflops> crash_: i3 is fine too, the cons of xmonad is haskell I think (people are afraid or haskell^)
• 3854[22:12:08] <jelly> alternatively there's a quiz in some class...
• 3855[22:12:10] <greycat> So then the question becomes "why is he asking again instead of just reading the answers we gave yesterday"
• 3856[22:12:17] <stoned> teraflops: that is correct! 3x gpu, 6 monitos
• 3857[22:12:20] <stoned> monitors*
• 3858[22:12:52] <crash_> teraflops: yeah the thing i like mostly with i3 is the easy config structure
• 3859[22:13:12] <jelly> teraflops: people are also afraid of tiling WMs!
• 3860[22:14:00] <teraflops> crash_: replaced-url
• 3861[22:14:16] <crash_> teraflops: will read
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• 3863[22:14:32] <stoned> I'll have to re use i3 at some point to compare
• 3864[22:14:42] <teraflops> jelly: oh that too, I'm more productive using tiling
• 3865[22:15:02] <bigterd> interesting. i can fdisk a bunch of partitions in a file from the loop device, but i can't make a file system on a specific partiton.
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• 3867[22:15:22] <stoned> I teraflops replaced-url
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• 3869[22:15:32] <bigterd> am i missing something? i guess it's not really make or break. i can just make a fs on a file and be done.
• 3870[22:15:43] <teraflops> stoned: sway look promising no idea about installing it in debian
• 3871[22:16:11] <teraflops> stoned: heh great
• 3872[22:16:11] <stoned> sway?
• 3873[22:16:18] <somiaj> bigterd: why does it have to be ntfs?
• 3874[22:16:33] <stoned> teraflops: 2x 60" on top, 4x 19" underneath
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• 3876[22:16:40] <stoned> entertainment and coding
• 3877[22:16:41] <teraflops> stoned: replaced-url
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• 3879[22:17:10] <bigterd> somiaj: because i'm...testing ntfs?
• 3880[22:17:12] <stoned> oh for wayland. I'm still using primarily stable on desktop
• 3881[22:17:28] <somiaj> bigterd: under man mkfs.ntfs I see, -F, --force "Force mkntfs to run, even if the specified device is not a block special device, or appears to be mounted."
• 3882[22:17:35] <wjerw> so no one has said
• 3883[22:17:39] <bigterd> ntfs or not, how can i format a partition that's a looped file?
• 3884[22:17:42] <wjerw> what's a good material theme for openbox
• 3885[22:17:49] <teraflops> i read about a cuple of wayland compositors for xmonad too, still sooo beta
• 3886[22:17:51] <greycat> bigterd: it wouldn't be a partition. It's just a file.
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• 3888[22:17:58] <teraflops> somiaj: sway works really great
• 3889[22:18:10] <bigterd> greycat: ,but i can fdisk a file, and make partitions...?
• 3890[22:18:10] <somiaj> bigterd: for most filesystems just point it at a file, mkfs.ext4 /path/to/file
• 3891[22:18:16] <teraflops> somiaj: sorry I meant stoned
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• 3893[22:18:34] <bigterd> i'd like to make a file, and partition it, and have 2 different file systems, but it's not necessary.
• 3894[22:18:35] <crash_> stoned: nice screenshot
• 3895[22:18:41] <somiaj> bigterd: seems mkfs.ntfs has a check to make sure the system is a block device or not mounted. I'm not use to this, but it appears you can just force it make the file system anyways.
• 3896[22:18:49] <wjerw> Guys
• 3897[22:18:53] <stoned> ty
• 3898[22:18:54] <wjerw> I'm going down for a install in a minute
• 3899[22:18:55] <jelly> bigterd: first, create device nodes for the partition slices using kpartx. Then use an appropriate mkfs on the relevant device node.
• 3900[22:18:59] <wjerw> Wish me luck
• 3901[22:19:05] <greycat> bigterd: dd if=/dev/zero bs=whatever count=whatever of=somefile; /sbin/mkfs.ext4 somefile
• 3902[22:19:12] <jhutchins> bigterd: replaced-url
• 3903[22:19:22] <somiaj> bigterd: so you want mroe than a filesystem on the file. You actually want the file to be a disk with a partition table and multiple partitions. This is a bit more complicated and unsure what to do here (how to access the partitions inside the file without having some virtual disk setup)
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• 3905[22:19:43] <wjerw> no one's going to wish me luck ; - ;
• 3906[22:19:45] <bigterd> somiaj nailed my scenario.
• 3907[22:19:50] <teraflops> crash_: xmonad on laptop
• 3908[22:19:52] <teraflops> replaced-url
• 3909[22:19:57] <jelly> !spank wjerw
• 3910[22:19:57] * dpkg bends wjerw over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
• 3911[22:19:59] <bigterd> but for the mean time, i'll just keep it simple.
• 3912[22:20:12] <crash_> replaced-url
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• 3914[22:20:15] <jelly> wjerw: now be on your merry way
• 3915[22:20:27] <somiaj> bigterd: jelly gave you the answer, you'll have to create device nodes for each of the partitions so you can access them.
• 3916[22:20:51] <bigterd> jelly thanks
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• 3919[22:21:03] <jhutchins> bigterd: Also perhaps check out that URL.
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• 3921[22:21:24] <wjerw> ._.
• 3922[22:21:26] <stoned> crash_: teraflops: I patched alsa-tools package (alsamixer source, colors.c IIRC) and now it's transparent: replaced-url
• 3923[22:21:29] <wjerw> jelly: little sexual
• 3924[22:21:34] <crash_> teraflops: very nice aswell :)
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• 3926[22:21:46] <teraflops> stoned: heh
• 3927[22:22:00] <teraflops> stoned: use pulseadio dude!
• 3928[22:22:08] <stoned> I do
• 3929[22:22:20] <stoned> But I like cli. does pulse have a cli tool?
• 3930[22:22:27] <wjerw> pulseaudio is based
• 3931[22:22:29] <teraflops> not in debian repos iirc
• 3932[22:22:30] <stoned> plus I don't use the mixers anyway
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• 3936[22:23:12] <bobfred> Hi. I'm using Peppermint Linux, and `apt-get update` is not working, hangs at "0% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1562::19)]"
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• 3938[22:23:27] <greycat> bobfred: wrong channel.
• 3939[22:23:35] <bobfred> greycat: What is the correct channel?
• 3940[22:23:43] <teraflops> stoned: there is replaced-url
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• 3942[22:23:57] <jelly> !peppermint
• 3943[22:23:58] <dpkg> Peppermint OS is a Linux distribution based on <Lubuntu>. Peppermint Three, Two, One and Ice are not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 3944[22:24:09] <greycat> bobfred: /msg alis list *pepper*, or read your distro's web site and find out where they offer support
• 3945[22:24:32] <jelly> apparently the channel is in another castle
• 3946[22:24:49] <teraflops> stoned: right I dont use mixers (e.g pavucntrol) pactl is enough for me 90% of the time
• 3947[22:24:54] <stoned> That's interesting grecat, thank you
• 3948[22:24:59] <greycat> "I'm trying to reach an ubuntu.com repository so obviously I will ask in #fedora!"
• 3949[22:25:22] <jelly> princess. irc server. whatever.
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• 3952[22:25:41] <stoned> I set the numpad +/- keys to raise/lower volume (I never use the numpad anyway)
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• 3954[22:25:58] <teraflops> stoned: desktop?
• 3955[22:26:01] <stoned> Everything is kb based
• 3956[22:26:04] <stoned> yes
• 3957[22:26:06] <teraflops> hmm
• 3958[22:26:16] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 3961[22:27:09] <teraflops> nice
• 3962[22:27:13] <stoned> If I could find a decent keyboard controlling plugin for chrome/firefox I'd stop using a mouse.
• 3963[22:27:26] <stoned> Most often I turn my mouse upside down. It's annoying.
• 3964[22:27:35] <teraflops> stoned: you dont have a notification daemon?
• 3965[22:27:48] <stoned> For what purpose?
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• 3967[22:28:36] <teraflops> stoned: replaced-url
• 3968[22:28:52] <teraflops> stoned: quite useful
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• 3975[22:30:08] <stoned> So this config is basically showing a notification when you switch layouts/workspaces etc?
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• 3980[22:31:01] <stoned> I don't even get fancy with Xmonad config. I keep it simple.
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• 3983[22:31:17] <teraflops> stoned: every event is notified if you're in another workspace, a dvd being burned, a script/compilation ended and so on
• 3984[22:31:21] <stoned> The more you customize things the more you come to depend on how you like things. When you don't have access to your config you sufer productivity
• 3985[22:31:40] <stoned> I try to make it so what I don't have to depend on my specific configs for everyday work env.
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• 3988[22:31:52] <stoned> That even if I didn't have my own configs, I would not lose productivity
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• 3990[22:32:04] <stoned> teraflops: intrusions into my mind.
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• 3993[22:32:14] <jhutchins> stoned: Yeah, learning to work with default environments is emportant.
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• 3995[22:32:18] <stoned> teraflops: I'll check back on the task when I'm ready. I don't desire notification
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• 3998[22:32:36] <teraflops> stoned: it looks like replaced-url
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• 4000[22:32:41] <teraflops> stoned: heh
• 4001[22:32:55] <stoned> Oh that will annoy the living bejeezus out of me.
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• 4003[22:33:02] <nuno_nunes> hi
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• 4005[22:33:07] <teraflops> well xmonad hasn't defaults at all
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• 4009[22:33:20] <stoned> Sure it does. They're great.
• 4010[22:33:32] <nuno_nunes> i need help this my mouse usb is a not work in debian 8.5 :(
• 4011[22:33:41] <teraflops> there's no xmonad.hs by default I mean
• 4012[22:33:43] <stoned> (I mean default bindings/config etc.)
• 4013[22:33:46] <teraflops> ah
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• 4019[22:34:34] <nuno_nunes> good night
• 4020[22:34:35] <stoned> s/you suffer productivity/your productivity suffers.
• 4021[22:34:41] <stoned> I'm a little stoned
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• 4023[22:34:44] <stoned> nuno_nunes: you okay?
• 4024[22:34:44] <teraflops> xD
• 4025[22:34:52] <nuno_nunes> i need help this my mouse usb is a not work in debian 8.5
• 4026[22:35:08] <nuno_nunes> in other linux is work
• 4027[22:35:10] <nuno_nunes> :|
• 4028[22:35:10] <stoned> Is it plugged in?
• 4029[22:35:14] <nuno_nunes> yes
• 4030[22:35:21] <stoned> hm.
• 4031[22:35:30] <greycat> Is X running?
• 4032[22:35:43] <stoned> See if you can fall back to cli/tty and try gpm
• 4033[22:35:45] <stoned> apt-get install gpm
• 4034[22:35:46] <nuno_nunes> in debian is not work and ubuntu is work
• 4035[22:35:48] <nuno_nunes> :s
• 4036[22:35:49] <stoned> (general purpose mouse)
• 4037[22:35:49] <cdb23ax> hello i have a performance problem with my debian jessie guest in kvm. iam running a gameserver named SRCDS CS:GO. I can assign 1 core to my debian guest and it performs well. then i tried adding 2 cores instead of 1 to my vm and the performance is horrible.
• 4038[22:35:58] <stoned> Then we'll see if you can configure your Xorg
• 4039[22:35:58] <nuno_nunes> ok
• 4040[22:36:31] <stoned> If not, just check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see what the input for mouse is.
• 4041[22:36:41] <greycat> There is no xorg.conf by default.
• 4042[22:36:41] <nuno_nunes> usb mouse
• 4043[22:36:42] <nuno_nunes> :D
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• 4045[22:36:53] <stoned> greycat: I assumed he created one
• 4046[22:37:01] <stoned> I don't know why.
• 4047[22:37:05] <greycat> hell of an assumption
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• 4049[22:37:09] <stoned> \o/
• 4050[22:37:26] <nuno_nunes> stoned, is a install all updates on other linux
• 4051[22:37:28] <nuno_nunes> :)
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• 4058[22:40:26] <jhutchins> cdb23ax: I'd guess that additional core generates more overhead than it's worth.
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• 4060[22:40:47] <_0xbadc0de> hello
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• 4062[22:41:00] <_0xbadc0de> I believe I have the most recent debian packages installed
• 4063[22:41:06] <_0xbadc0de> but my debian looks like shit
• 4064[22:41:08] <jhutchins> cdb23ax: In VMWare, the system won't get a core step until the full number of configured cores is available, it will wait.
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• 4066[22:41:15] <_0xbadc0de> is this how it is supposed to look like?
• 4067[22:41:25] <greycat> *sigh* trolls.
• 4068[22:41:27] <_0xbadc0de> would actually machine the kernel
• 4069[22:41:38] <stoned> popcorn time
• 4070[22:41:49] <stoned> or ... gallery peanuts.
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• 4072[22:42:32] <jhutchins> cdb23ax: Many game servers don't multithread, or do it badly.
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• 4074[22:42:56] <cdb23ax> jhutchins: my concern is that my server cannot handle 32 players at all
• 4075[22:43:08] <stoned> replaced-url
• 4076[22:43:18] <stoned> There's only one thread for logical computations - so a faster single core processor would in most cases beat a dual or quad core CPU.
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• 4080[22:43:35] <stoned> google-fu
• 4081[22:43:38] <stoned> hayaaaa
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• 4083[22:44:29] <jhutchins> See also: What do you expect from a free gameserver?
• 4084[22:44:39] <cdb23ax> jhutchins i have a E5-2623 v3 @ 3.00GHz processor and the gameserver lags if 17 players are connected
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• 4089[22:45:03] <cdb23ax> the cpu skyrocks to 100%
• 4090[22:45:12] <stoned> The problem isn't with debian or with hardware, but with the gameserver itself
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• 4092[22:45:50] <cdb23ax> my question would be how others can get 32 players on a publicservers
• 4093[22:45:53] <jelly> Moore called, wants his law back
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• 4096[22:46:22] <cdb23ax> i lowered kernel hz to 100 instead of 250 and disabled preempt and low latency
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• 4099[22:47:04] <jelly> cdb23ax: you'll probably have to do all sorts or microoptimizations to get your single-threaded app to perform better
• 4100[22:47:14] <jhutchins> cdb23ax: Sounds like you went the wrong direction.
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• 4102[22:47:22] <_0xbadc0de> but still though
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• 4104[22:47:38] <_0xbadc0de> I'd rather have a better looks on this shit
• 4105[22:47:40] <stoned> seriously. I can't eat any more peanuts.
• 4106[22:47:41] <jhutchins> cdb23ax: I think this is originally a Windows server, so it might run more efficiently there.
• 4107[22:47:42] <_0xbadc0de> I like kali
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• 4109[22:47:54] <_0xbadc0de> transparent terminals and shit
• 4110[22:47:59] <jhutchins> cdb23ax: Also, trying to run it in a VM as opposed to dedicated hardware is probably not great.
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• 4112[22:48:13] <cdb23ax> jhutchins no its linux optimized i tried it on a windows server 2008 r2 vm with 2 and 3 cords its even worse there
• 4113[22:48:16] <jhutchins> cdb23ax: Your hardware is nothing like what they run commercial vm servers on.
• 4114[22:48:22] <stoned> _0xbadc0de: debian leaves all the custimization/config to you.
• 4115[22:48:35] <stoned> _0xbadc0de: this is not kali linux and it's not preconfigured for goofy script kiddies
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• 4117[22:48:59] <jelly> cdb23ax: things to also try: _disable_ hyperthreading in bios; forcing the app to a single specific core, and forcing interrupt handling to different cores
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• 4119[22:49:17] <_0xbadc0de> hey stoned: go fuck yourseldf
• 4120[22:49:19] <stoned> start with adjusting cpu affinity
• 4121[22:49:23] <_0xbadc0de> self*
• 4122[22:49:26] <stoned> _0xbadc0de: I did this morning when I woke up.
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• 4126[22:49:29] <stoned> It was very nice.
• 4127[22:49:40] <jelly> _0xbadc0de: be fucking polite in here.
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• 4129[22:50:01] <stoned> I doubt forcing it to be a single thread would offer any additional help
• 4130[22:50:02] <teraflops> _0xbadc0de: stop saying shit :S
• 4131[22:50:18] <cdb23ax> well i have disabled hyperthreading in bios and if i force the app to core 0 in my vm it just performs as bad as before
• 4132[22:50:20] <debkad> o_o
• 4133[22:50:26] <jelly> stoned: it is already a single thread
• 4134[22:50:31] <stoned> And it's not strictly single threaded. It seems multi threaded (the server)
• 4135[22:50:48] <jhutchins> cdb23ax: Your adjustments seem counterintuitive.
• 4136[22:50:53] <jelly> cdb23ax: why is it in a VM?
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• 4138[22:51:01] <stoned> As BehaartesEtwas said it's true that SRCDS has more than one thread, however the other thread - which makes it "two" threads - handles all the networking and doesn't really improve performance unless you're having massive amounts of players simultaneously.
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• 4140[22:51:14] <cdb23ax> because every gameserver provider would run it in a vm even valve does that
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• 4142[22:51:22] <teraflops> oh I recall reading about disabling hyperthreading you get better performance in linux
• 4143[22:51:28] <jelly> stoned: ok, so limit it to two cores only
• 4144[22:51:49] <jhutchins> stoned: So the additional overhead of a dual core VM probably negates any advantage.
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• 4147[22:52:10] <stoned> The way it's programmed is not multi-threaded. 1 SRCDS instance only uses 1 physical core.
• 4148[22:52:12] <stoned> If you host multiple servers and have a multi-core box assign each SRCDS instance with its own core to use. Generally with SRCDS its not the number of cores that matter to a server its just the clock speed and the FSB speed.
• 4149[22:52:12] <jhutchins> cdb23ax: Your VM is not like their VM.
• 4150[22:52:14] <stoned> Ok. I give up.
• 4151[22:52:22] <stoned> There is conflicting information.
• 4152[22:52:26] <stoned> So far, anyway
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• 4154[22:52:28] <cdb23ax> jhutchins: so whats different?
• 4155[22:52:32] <jelly> cdb23ax: which virtualization solution are you using and have you tried running on physical system instead?
• 4156[22:52:53] <cdb23ax> yes i also tried to run it directly on the kvm machine i stopped all kvm services
• 4157[22:52:56] <jhutchins> cd 64+ fast cores, terrabytes of RAM, SSD Disk arrays...
• 4158[22:53:00] <cdb23ax> and installed the linux srcds
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• 4160[22:53:07] <cdb23ax> because my kvm hypervisor is also debian based
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• 4162[22:53:29] <cdb23ax> and performance was even worse then on my vm with only 1 core
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• 4166[22:54:30] <jhutchins> I found a LOT of hits with advice for setting up a server, you should probably look at a few of those and at the valve forums (they're often quite useful).
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• 4168[22:54:41] <stoned> cdb23ax: replaced-url
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• 4173[22:56:51] <jelly> cdb23ax: when you were running in a VM, did you ask kvm to pin the VM to a specific core (or two) as well?
• 4174[22:56:54] <stoned> srcds might work better on a desktop cpu than a server cpu.
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• 4176[22:57:28] <stoned> 3.ghz xeon is not meant for single threaded work afaik really
• 4177[22:57:44] <stoned> a higher end 4.x ghz i7 or some such might work better
• 4178[22:57:51] <stoned> single threaded apps like higher clocks
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• 4182[22:58:20] <stoned> Tht'as just my guess that I pulled out an ass's ass.
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• 4185[22:58:41] <cdb23ax> and yes i pinned all my cores to physical of all vms
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• 4188[22:58:54] <cdb23ax> without any conflicts every vm has their own cores
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• 4192[22:59:43] <jelly> it's an interesting problem that merits more experimenting, then :-)
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• 4194[23:00:03] <jhutchins> cdb23ax: I would definitely go for higher core speed.
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• 4197[23:01:01] <cdb23ax> but isnt 3,5 ghz engough for a gameserver?
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• 4199[23:01:11] <stoned> You'd think.
• 4200[23:01:20] <stoned> Usually game servers are not that craptastic.
• 4201[23:01:24] <stoned> as this one
• 4202[23:02:02] <jelly> also possible: disabling cores in bios, and checking the server bios doesn't have its own power-consumption limiting (hp proliants do, by default)
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• 4204[23:02:34] <bigterd> stoned: what is a good cpu for single thread apps? i'm in search of one. for free sake i was going to brign to life an old p4 3.8
• 4205[23:02:41] <cdb23ax> well its a dell PowerEdge R430
• 4206[23:02:46] <bigterd> photorec isn't multithread
• 4207[23:02:56] <debkad> damn just figured my xfce have xfwm 4.10.1 , the zoom function available from 4.11 :/
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• 4209[23:02:58] <DammitJim> a service that I have created shouldn't run as root, right?
• 4210[23:02:58] <jhutchins> Arent p4s power hogs?
• 4211[23:03:07] <DammitJim> I should probably make up a user that the service runs as, right?
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• 4213[23:03:23] <jhutchins> ,v xfce4
• 4214[23:03:24] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3
• 4215[23:03:25] <DammitJim> I ask this because I am creating a mount
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• 4217[23:03:37] <DammitJim> and that mount should be writeable for this service
• 4218[23:04:00] <jhutchins> DammitJim: That's a real "it depends" question.
• 4219[23:04:09] <stoned> bigterd: come to ##hardware
• 4220[23:04:13] <DammitJim> right now this service is running as root
• 4221[23:04:13] <cdb23ax> whats about a i7 4790k cpu?
• 4222[23:04:16] <DammitJim> :(
• 4223[23:04:18] <stoned> bigterd: ask the question there
• 4224[23:04:24] <cdb23ax> 4ghz clock speed and 4,4 ghz turbo
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• 4226[23:04:30] <stoned> For all hardware advice/discussion ##hardware
• 4227[23:04:51] <bigterd> jhutchins: p4 is power hog.
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• 4229[23:05:05] <stoned> In fact, you'd have better luck talking about game server hardware in ##hardware
• 4230[23:05:07] <debkad> is it possible to install xfce >= 4.11 ?
• 4231[23:05:17] <DammitJim> jhutchins, please throw me a bone... such as?
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• 4233[23:05:26] <stoned> debkad: if someone packaged it for stable, sure.
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• 4236[23:05:57] <stoned> What's special about 4.11?
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• 4239[23:06:07] <debkad> stoned, i have it on 4.12 in arch but here in debian i'm stucked with 4.10
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• 4241[23:06:15] <debkad> stoned, zooming
• 4242[23:06:20] <stoned> debkad: debian has 4.12 also, but not in stable/jessie
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• 4247[23:07:02] <debkad> i have backport kernel, not sure if that what you mean but non stable
• 4248[23:07:30] <debkad> 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686
• 4249[23:07:55] <stoned> debkad: it is in testing/stretch and replaced-url
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• 4251[23:08:28] <stoned> replaced-url
• 4252[23:08:37] <stoned> Here you go. Someone did package it. You can try it at your own risk.
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• 4255[23:09:02] <stoned> No support here. Or you can email the packager. *shrug*
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• 4257[23:09:24] <petn-randall> debkad: You can probably zoom in via different methods in 4.10. It's not really a feature I have used, though.
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• 4273[23:13:22] <debkad> petn-randall, when i googling they said : 'Xfce Menu, choose Settings > Setting Editor. In the Channel pane select ‘xfwm4’ and in the right pane scroll all the way down to ‘zoom_desktop’. Uncheck the Value box.' but in mine there is no ‘zoom_desktop’
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• 4277[23:14:29] <stoned> debkad: you can use a standard Zoom application for X
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• 4280[23:14:55] <stoned> debkad: google linux screen magnifier
• 4281[23:14:59] <debkad> stoned, tried some like: xzoom, kmag, vmg , none like the zoom from xfce
• 4282[23:15:08] <stoned> No dice?
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• 4285[23:15:14] <debkad> yeah
• 4286[23:15:37] <stoned> I'd try that dude's 4.12 packages
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• 4288[23:16:22] <stoned> If you can't do w/o it that version. Or just use stretch (up to you). Stretch is supported in #debian-next in oftc irc.debian.org
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• 4293[23:17:15] <teraflops> debkad: this one is nice replaced-url
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• 4297[23:17:34] <debkad> teraflops, yeah tried it, vmg
• 4298[23:17:43] <teraflops> it has binaries (shrug) or you can compile it
• 4299[23:17:45] <debkad> it is for text only
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• 4301[23:17:55] <debkad> i have it installed
• 4302[23:18:01] <teraflops> ah
• 4303[23:18:07] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I'm an ubuntu enthusiast. A while ago I heard about the death of Ian Murdock. Has this resulted in any loss of inertia for the debian project, or is it now run by others who are just as enthusiastic?
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• 4305[23:18:26] <stoned> Richard_Cavell: No.
• 4306[23:18:44] <stoned> Richard_Cavell: It is. Always has been. More than like will continue to be.
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• 4330[23:25:26] <lethu> hello, is it worth it to move from stable to staging?
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• 4333[23:25:51] <stoned> that's a term used in development.
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• 4335[23:26:01] <stoned> staging is after the testing stage.
• 4336[23:26:06] <stoned> You mean debian testing?
• 4337[23:26:12] <lethu> yeah sorry
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• 4339[23:26:27] <stoned> \o/
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• 4341[23:26:33] <stoned> I use debian stable.
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• 4343[23:26:43] <stoned> I like things that don't break.
• 4344[23:26:45] <tdigenna> stretch/sid is good
• 4345[23:26:59] <lethu> okay, I see I use jessie
• 4346[23:27:02] <stoned> stretch, possibly. Sid, no.
• 4347[23:27:04] <stoned> !dnuts
• 4348[23:27:04] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade> and <sid faq>
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• 4351[23:27:42] <stoned> lethu: is there a particular reason you want to move away from stable distribution?
• 4352[23:28:03] <lethu> stoned, maybe get better performances for gaming
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• 4354[23:28:22] <stoned> You're fine with stable.
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• 4357[23:28:33] <lethu> stoned, okay thanks for the advice!
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• 4359[23:28:38] <stoned> Anytime
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• 4361[23:28:42] <lethu> :)
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