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0 [00:00:24] <teraflops> karimb:
1 [00:00:27] <teraflops> replaced-url
2 [00:00:27] <karimb> teraflops then there s something i m doing wrong i guess
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4 [00:00:34] <teraflops> heh i guess so
5 [00:00:57] <karimb> well actually im booting a disk which uses this image as backend
6 [00:00:59] <karimb> teraflops ^
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8 [00:01:20] <karimb> it does work on my openstack setup anyway, so i m doing something wrong on my kvm...
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10 [00:01:41] <teraflops> what's your KVM?
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16 [00:03:30] <jelly> running a fake cloud?
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32 [00:09:40] <Iridos> a fake cloud? as opposed to running a real cloud?
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37 [00:10:42] * jelly nods
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39 [00:10:57] <Iridos> pft. here, we often compute in the cloud… specially in autumn
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51 [00:16:11] <teraflops> replaced-url
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60 [00:20:10] <Iridos> teraflops, #debian-offtopic?
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72 [00:22:38] <teraflops> Iridos: to be fair the joke about the cloud in autumn deserves the "#debian-offtopic?" too
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77 [00:23:58] <Iridos> I asked you to join there, because I'd further comment on that site
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79 [00:24:26] <teraflops> ah, oh now I feel dumb
80 [00:24:30] <teraflops> :S
81 [00:24:47] <teraflops> Iridos: yeah
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88 [00:28:38] <DeaDSouL> hi, how can I access the manual of 'mount.cifs' .. I can't even find it when I hit `tab` to auto-complete it... when I try `man mount.cifs` it says, there is no manual for mount.cifs
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97 [00:31:01] <jmcnaught> DeaDSouL: does "apropos cifs" find it? looks like that command and man page are in the cifs-utils package
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112 [00:33:42] <DeaDSouL> jmcnaught: i have the cifs-utils,... and the output of `apropos cifs` doesn't have 'cifs'
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115 [00:34:43] <jmcnaught> DeaDSouL: so if you run "dpkg -L cifs-utils | grep man" does it show a man page?
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123 [00:36:34] <DeaDSouL> jmcnaught: LOL, I forgot to install it on this server :D... thanks a lot bro
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133 [00:39:23] <teraflops> karimb: now I wonder about the user/passwd for login into that debian image ^
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135 [00:39:37] <karimb> teraflops only works with cloudinit
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137 [00:39:54] <teraflops> in plain english please
138 [00:40:05] <teraflops> i see login there
139 [00:40:07] <karimb> the image has no password
140 [00:40:15] <teraflops> oh
141 [00:40:17] <karimb> you can only login using ssh keys
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143 [00:40:27] <teraflops> ah thanks
144 [00:40:27] <karimb> that you need to inject somehow
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148 [00:41:34] <teraflops> the nearest thing to the cloud I use are 4 promoxVE nodes
149 [00:41:50] <karimb> teraflops :)
150 [00:41:57] <karimb> give it a shot
151 [00:42:04] <teraflops> oh I love it
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153 [00:42:27] <teraflops> i meant proxmoxVE performs great
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157 [00:45:18] <DeaDSouL> about the 'whisper.credentials' file in replaced-url
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194 [00:58:50] <mtcj> teraflops: thank you.
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206 [01:06:45] <cesurasean> how do i turn on selinux?
207 [01:06:51] <jelly> DeaDSouL, shouldn't that be DOMAIN\user with a backslash not a forward slash
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212 [01:07:26] <cesurasean> nevermind, read this Starting with linux kernel 2.6.35, there may be multiple security modules compiled into the kernel. In order to enable selinux, use
213 [01:07:26] <cesurasean> security=selinux
214 [01:07:38] <cesurasean> kindaof anal but ok
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318 [02:02:54] <DeaDSouL> how to remove all the extended permissions ? the ones shown with `getfacl PATH` ?
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333 [02:08:50] <mtcj> lxremove?
334 [02:09:25] <mtcj> lremovexattr
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340 [02:10:53] <mtcj> Nope setfacl
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345 [02:11:55] <mtcj> DeaDSouL: -b will remove all
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378 [02:24:41] <cesurasean> how do i enable selinux?
379 [02:25:04] <cesurasean> i added enforcing to /etc/selinux/config
380 [02:25:07] <cesurasean> what else do i need to do?
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384 [02:26:32] <cesurasean> on jessie
385 [02:26:40] <cesurasean> it's not working otherwise in a xen environment
386 [02:26:43] <cesurasean> any clue why?
387 [02:26:51] <cesurasean> been trying to edit grub2 files, but nothing works.
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402 [02:40:04] <mtcj> Any reason you're using SELinux instead of AppArmor?
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406 [02:40:59] <mtcj> selinux-activate
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416 [02:48:58] <mtcj> Where does the convention of using the .d in config directories originate?
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424 [02:52:17] <themill> mtcj: back in sysvinit, I think (splitting foo.conf into foo.conf.d)
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507 [03:35:35] <rjsalts> mtcj: replaced-url
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510 [03:39:13] <Cosmos82> Hello all. Having problems getting a script to start. According to the LSB Init Scripts article, the syntax of my script seems to be fine. It just fails to start at boot time.
511 [03:39:31] <Cosmos82> Here's the script: replaced-url
512 [03:39:47] <Cosmos82> What am I doing wrong?
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545 [04:07:46] <mtcj> fguillot: please turn that off
546 [04:07:58] <mtcj> rsalts: thanks
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587 [04:35:36] <cesurasean> sestatus reports selinux is disabled when i run selinux-activate
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596 [04:38:09] <mtcj> Did you reboot?
597 [04:38:12] <mtcj> replaced-url
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599 [04:40:35] <itswednesday> hi there, I compiled a kernel, but I found usb-mouse not
600 [04:40:36] <itswednesday> working, is anyone here know which module I need to compile?
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603 [04:41:46] <cesurasean> yes i rebooted
604 [04:41:56] <somiaj> itswednesday: I belive they are part of the hid devices. In the debian kernel configs I see CONFIG_USB_HID=m
605 [04:42:25] <itswednesday> somiaj: I will try it, thanks
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610 [04:43:44] <itswednesday> somiaj: aha, it's already in my .config
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612 [04:44:20] <cesurasean> does grub2 use /boot/grub/menu.lst?
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615 [04:47:04] <itswednesday> grub2 use /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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619 [04:48:31] <cesurasean> selinux-activate changed all my grub, but still doesnt work
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627 [04:52:13] <cesurasean> The directories /sys/fs/selinux and /selinux are missing.
628 [04:52:19] <cesurasean> how do i fix this?
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630 [04:54:08] <cesurasean> can we update this wiki?
631 [04:54:09] <cesurasean> replaced-url
632 [04:54:15] <cesurasean> so it reflects correct info for jessie?
633 [04:54:21] <cesurasean> how come no one here has a secure system?
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659 [05:12:14] <cesurasean> so, without compiling a new kernel, there is no other way to use selinux with debian?
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663 [05:15:36] <AlwaysHigh> whats the best method of transfering files from windows to debian server via lan
664 [05:16:43] <pingfloyd> cesurasean: the packaged kernel should include support
665 [05:16:54] <pingfloyd> cesurasean: replaced-url
666 [05:17:12] <cesurasean> so why does it say those dirs are missing?
667 [05:17:20] <cesurasean> its not working, and ive followed all the online articles
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670 [05:18:16] <cesurasean> do i just need to touch /sys/fs/selinux?
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676 [05:23:32] <awal1> I forgot to plug power cable and my machine turned off sudently. battery wont charge more then 5% since 1 hour or so. old battery, I know but how to interpret "acpi -v ---» Battery 0: Charging, 5%, 00:01:41 until charged /// Battery 0: design capacity 3534 mAh, last full capacity 1750 mAh = 49%"
677 [05:23:47] <awal1> just a bit confused by the 49%
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680 [05:25:14] <awal1> means battery capacity maximum charge in it's current state is 49%, eh?
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686 [05:26:59] <zykotick9> awal1: strange... mine also reports 49% "Battery 0: design capacity 4554 mAh, last full capacity 2248 mAh = 49%"
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688 [05:28:01] <cesurasean> seems directory /selinux is not created automatically
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693 [05:29:57] <cesurasean> can someone help me confirm selinux jessie mountpoints?
694 [05:30:19] <awal1> zykotick9, capacity percentage has been decreasing here over time (80, 68, 58.... and now 49). you 49%, similar to mine, i guess is just a casualty
695 [05:30:47] <awal1> your 49% ^
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700 [05:31:40] <zykotick9> awal1: this was a 2nd hand system, the battery has had terrible life since i got it. that "acpi -V" is new to me, so thanks for that.
701 [05:32:00] <zykotick9> s/has had/has been/
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703 [05:32:10] <awal1> your 4554 is like 100% , so 2248 is about 50% (49%), zykotick9
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705 [05:32:35] <zykotick9> awal1: ya ya, i understand that it's saying = "get a new battery" ;)
706 [05:32:59] <awal1> 49% means its not being cahrging at 100% bcuz it's old, it lost his charging capacity
707 [05:33:07] <awal1> yeah :D
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711 [05:33:35] <awal1> my confusion is about , in my case, 5% vs 49%
712 [05:34:00] <awal1> wont move from 5% since 1 hour os so now
713 [05:34:14] <mtcj> Good thing batteries remain compatible for long enough that machines wear out before they become impossible to power with a battery.
714 [05:34:24] <mtcj> /S
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718 [05:35:26] <minn> is there some reason that libpcre1 isn't available through apt on debian 8? for some reason the latest upgrade broke half of everything on my machine, and that is one culprit.
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720 [05:36:27] <minn> by half of everything, i suppose i meant r and everything that depends on r.
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722 [05:36:48] <awal1> my dell machine battery was lasting like 8 hours when i bought the laptop, after 2/3 months it decreased to 2/3 hours...
723 [05:36:58] <awal1> another machine ^
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725 [05:37:54] <minn> i don't even bother carrying around a power cord for my chromebook
726 [05:38:43] <awal1> ?
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730 [05:40:07] <minn> battery lasts forever and it runs linux. perfect combination.
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737 [05:42:55] <awal1> forever? :D
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739 [05:43:24] <awal1> even the sun will die someday...
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742 [05:44:21] <minn> entropy-resistant battery
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744 [05:46:17] <mtcj> The new Macbook Feather comes with a zero point energy module and a peripheral tesseract. No wires and no ports.
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747 [05:54:04] <Elronnd> the new macintosh plus comes with a builtin battery that lasts for 3 whole femptoseconds!!!!
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797 [06:29:12] <xenomorph_xx_121> hi, has anyone tried ubuntu's 'apt-snapshot-btrfs', or know whether anything similar is available or in the works?
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801 [06:31:22] <xenomorph_xx_121> i can see another project called 'apt-btrfs-snapper' but doesnt look like there is active development on that
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803 [06:32:53] <mtcj> What does the program do?
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807 [06:34:17] <xenomorph_xx_121> mtcj: it does a snapshot every time you install/upgrade something with apt, so you can rollback if anything breaks
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813 [06:38:44] <ryouma> it would be great if there were a tool htat could do that with arbirary packages, but i suppose the fetching from upstream is not automated
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815 [06:40:57] <mtcj> Try replaced-url
816 [06:41:12] <mtcj> But yeah it wouldn't be supported directly
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820 [06:43:59] <xenomorph_xx_121> mtcj: thanks. i was going to try that as well but its good to see someone has already!
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822 [06:46:00] <echosystm> i need a monitoring system that wasn't made the stone age
823 [06:46:03] <echosystm> any recommendations?
824 [06:46:32] <echosystm> my monitoring needs are very basic; 5 servers, uptime, http, OS package updates, etc.
825 [06:46:46] <cesurasean> so there is no selinux in jessie?
826 [06:46:52] <cesurasean> this is crap
827 [06:47:07] <mtcj> xenomorph_xx_121 if nothing else you can write a wrapper for apt commands to perform snapshots
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830 [06:49:34] <mtcj> cesurasean: I see some packages with the name, are you sure? (I'm not either way)
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833 [06:51:03] <xenomorph_xx_121> echosystm: you mean not-nagios? what about an online service?
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836 [06:54:41] <mtcj> echosystm: I can also suggest a simple shell script could be written for that.
837 [06:54:44] <pingfloyd> cesurasean: did you follow these directions? replaced-url
838 [06:54:50] <mtcj> If your needs are that simple.
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843 [06:55:23] <mtcj> pingfloyd: when he was talking about it before I pointed to it and he said he had.
844 [06:55:29] <cesurasean> why is there not an selinux-deactivate command?
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846 [06:56:24] <mtcj> I don't know.
847 [06:56:25] <xenomorph_xx_121> mtcj: gotta write another script to monitor-the-monitoring-system though
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849 [06:56:41] <mtcj> Again, is AppArmor not acceptable for your situation?
850 [06:56:45] <cesurasean> is there anyway to undo what selinux-activate does?
851 [06:57:12] <mtcj> I realize you're on Xen and that you may not have the permissions needed for AppArmor
852 [06:57:12] <cesurasean> mtcj, im saying for the future reference
853 [06:57:24] <mtcj> Ok
854 [06:57:39] <cesurasean> how do i rebuild grub files from scratch?
855 [06:57:40] <pingfloyd> cesurasean: that's because you use setenforce command
856 [06:57:42] <mtcj> Because I can't help you directly
857 [06:58:00] <cesurasean> pingfloyd, what do you mean?
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863 [06:58:29] <pingfloyd> cesurasean: you're asking why there isn't a selinux-deactivate command. Because it doesn't work that way.
864 [06:59:14] <pingfloyd> to change selinux mode you use setenforce command. That's how it's made.
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866 [06:59:47] <echosystm> xenomorph_xx_121: yeah anything but nagios. hoping for something a bit more modern with a decent UI.
867 [06:59:59] <echosystm> nagios would work, but i want to try some new things
868 [07:00:19] <pingfloyd> selinux isn't the simplest thing to setup and maintain
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881 [07:08:12] <cesurasean> i follow debian wiki and it does not work to install, but selinux-default-policy was taken out for jessie and will be put into sid
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883 [07:08:19] <cesurasean> so im wondering if selinux is broken on jessie
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885 [07:09:16] <mtcj> It's possible
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887 [07:09:54] <mtcj> A wiki page on it has some info that seems like it may be out of date, but does indicate some issues that needed resolved
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891 [07:11:01] <mtcj> echosystm: Is there another web based one that's lightweight and common?
892 [07:11:06] <mtcj> Can't remember the name
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895 [07:12:15] <pingfloyd> now we're getting somewhere. Looks like that package was removed from jessie because of bugs with it :(
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898 [07:12:23] <mtcj> Mhm
899 [07:12:39] <mtcj> echosystm: Webmin
900 [07:13:55] <pingfloyd> cesurasean: did you see this? replaced-url
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910 [07:20:49] <cesurasean> yes
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921 [07:27:34] <pingfloyd> cesurasean: looks like the problem is there isn't the resources to maintain a good bug free default policy package. The workaround looks like it is to use the unstable package for it (assuming you can live with its bugs), or implement your policies some other way. Kind of a bummer.
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924 [07:28:27] <pingfloyd> cesurasean: long story short, looks like you have your work cut out for you to use selinux on jessie.
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928 [07:29:09] <cesurasean> yes
929 [07:29:10] <pingfloyd> you might be better off using a different MAC project in this case assuming that's a feasible option for you.
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935 [07:32:08] <pingfloyd> cesurasean: I'm not sure what kind of state they're in with jessie, but some alternatives are grsecurity and apparmor
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951 [07:40:15] <cesurasean> now im getting failed to load the selinux policy, freezing when i boot up
952 [07:40:17] <cesurasean> sigh
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956 [07:41:18] <no_gravity> How is the /tmp/ dir supposed to be used? Can I just make a subdir in there and throw in all kinds of cache files and never care about cleaning it up?
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988 [08:02:32] <xenomorph_xx_121> echosystm: there are some decent 'cloud' ones around i think. depends on your requirements though
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1007 [08:10:16] <mtcj> no_gravity: I believe /tmp is persistent and /var/tmp is not
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1009 [08:10:40] <mtcj> And I don't believe anything automatically cleans up /tmp unless it is cleaning up files it put there
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1012 [08:11:34] <no_gravity> mtcj: Interesting
1013 [08:12:34] <no_gravity> mtcj: looks like it's the other way roung
1014 [08:12:38] <no_gravity> round
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1024 [08:21:11] <tom99> man debian is so hard to use. I really want to automate an install process, so I don't have to click the menus
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1026 [08:21:33] <tom99> Fedora is so much better, it's easy to automate cd installs in Fedora.
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1031 [08:25:52] <jim> comparisons have historically been known to ruffle feathers... you may wish to avoid that
1032 [08:26:30] <jim> when you say hard to use, what specifically are you finding hard?
1033 [08:26:36] * zykotick9 finds it easy to "automate" debian installs... install base system from netinst (with nothin' but "system tools" selected... then run install script for programs/settings...
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1036 [08:27:19] <jim> there are also those tasks
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1038 [08:28:05] <pingfloyd> or preseed
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1040 [08:29:04] <zykotick9> pingfloyd: the "ease" of preseeding could be debated ;)
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1044 [08:32:31] <zykotick9> mtcj: did you suggest webmin to someone? ohmy. you might want to see "/msg dpkg webmin" on why that's not a good suggestion.
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1049 [08:34:31] <missmbob> mtcj: you're very wrong. a reboot cleans /tmp. and there are crontabs that do it between
1050 [08:34:43] <missmbob> mtcj: and dont ever suggest webmin :P
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1052 [08:34:47] <pingfloyd> unless you've changed that
1053 [08:35:01] <pingfloyd> but by default /tmp should be cleaned on each boot
1054 [08:35:11] <Geom`> ^^
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1058 [08:38:35] <pingfloyd> check in /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf and /etc/tmpfiles.d/
1059 [08:38:56] <pingfloyd> default is 'D /tmp 1777 root root -'
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1076 [08:48:34] <mtcj> Oh wow I had never noticed /tmp got touched.
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1078 [08:49:58] <mtcj> echosystm: /msg dpkg free whcp
1079 [08:50:06] <mtcj> For monitoring stuff
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1097 [09:00:19] <carlinpretty> Oh yeah. We're in for a real treat here. It's the infamous Scott Roberts with his latest sermon. Check it out.
1098 [09:00:42] <carlinpretty> replaced-url
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1124 [09:08:31] <darxmurf> hi all
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1144 [09:13:45] <darxmurf> One of my machine is unable to boot correctly this morning, systemd-logind service is unable to load but can't find why
1145 [09:14:02] <darxmurf> I have 6 identical machines and it's the only one acting weird
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1147 [09:14:23] <carlinpretty> I heard a man today say that in two generations we'd all be a nice "caramel" color.
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1153 [09:15:09] <carlinpretty> Where did people get the idea that mixing all the races and cultures into ONE race and ONE culture is a desirable thing?
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1190 [09:23:27] <rogersicart> yo!
1191 [09:23:36] <Vainglory> for some reason replaced-url
1192 [09:23:47] <Vainglory> i was reading replaced-url
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1195 [09:26:08] <missmbob> Vainglory: because it's disputed as incorrect configuration. replaced-url
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1207 [09:27:37] <missmbob> Vainglory: if you're used debian for any length of time you know third parties like apache hate us for doing wtf we want with the configs debian ships with. not even close to standard
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1210 [09:27:59] <Vainglory> missmbob: oh, i'm well aware.
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1215 [09:28:22] <Vainglory> that whole situation got fixed recently though, which is nice
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1232 [09:30:41] <darxmurf> I can see /lib/systemd/systemd-logind in my ps but when I run systemctl status systemd-logind it returns that the service is not running Oo
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1236 [09:31:07] <r3m1> hi all
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1240 [09:31:32] <jdgreenblue992> hello
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1248 [09:34:42] <saul> when i try to intall mediawiki-extensions, "mediawiki" package is recommended but not included in the list of packages to be installed. a direct apt-get install of mediawiki claims there is no such package ...
1249 [09:34:51] <r3m1> I have small industrial computers that must be deployed at different places and must be connected to my server. Those computers are running on debian. When they are on the net, they open reverse SSH tunnels to my server so that I can connect to them when required. Now I'm struggling to ensure that the connection to the server is reliable
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1253 [09:35:47] <r3m1> those computers have an ethernet port, so they are usually connected to DSL or a local network providing access to the internet. They also have a GPRS modem to connect to the internet if the DSL is down
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1256 [09:36:27] <petemc> r3m1: looked at autossh ?
1257 [09:36:28] <r3m1> I want to have a croned job that checks periodically the internet access with GPRS and ADSL
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1262 [09:37:16] <r3m1> petemc: yes I did, it's usefull indeed to keep the tunnels up. My problem is to reliably check internet connectivity on both interfaces
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1267 [09:38:23] <r3m1> to check the internet, I use the solutions in this thread replaced-url
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1271 [09:38:54] <r3m1> (yes, a Microsoft server but hey, seems quite a good solution to make sure everything is set up properly)
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1275 [09:40:06] <r3m1> The thing is that, first, I'm not sure how to use a specific network interface to check
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1278 [09:40:23] <r3m1> I tried with wget --bind-address which seems rather good
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1281 [09:41:14] <r3m1> my problem is that when I turn the GPRS modem on and connect to the GPRS network, things get pretty messed up
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1284 [09:41:55] <dionysus69> what's the path of gnome extensions' metadata.json file?
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1286 [09:42:02] <dionysus69> unable to search it :\
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1293 [09:43:13] <r3m1> when GPRS is on, I can't reach the server using the ethernet port
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1297 [09:43:29] <r3m1> I think my routing table is messed up
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1304 [09:44:19] <r3m1> because I have two gateway route entries for the outside
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1311 [09:44:41] <r3m1> wget does not seem to handle that properly
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1318 [09:46:02] <r3m1> I would like to force going through eth0 or wwan0, the route should be ok then
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1326 [09:48:02] <xenomorph_xx_121> r3m1: i'd look at setting up separate routing tables for each interface
1327 [09:48:14] <xenomorph_xx_121> then u can use policy-based routing (ip rule)
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1331 [09:49:30] <xenomorph_xx_121> r3m1: or for just testing if the connection is up, use a static route to a test ip. a different test ip for each interface. this is how i implemented the script you are talking about (years ago)
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1341 [09:51:33] <r3m1> xenomorph_xx_121: for the ethernet I will have a fixed gateway, but the GPRS changes IP and gateway at each connection
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1343 [09:51:54] <r3m1> can I speficy to ping using eth0 or wwan0 ?
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1346 [09:52:13] <xenomorph_xx_121> r3m1: yes but in practice that doesnt work as you'd expect in my experience
1347 [09:52:50] <xenomorph_xx_121> xenomorph_xx_121: you can do tricky things with 'ip rule', like for example all the packets coming from a particular user must stay within a particular routing table
1348 [09:53:03] <xenomorph_xx_121> r3m1: ^^
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1357 [09:53:41] <r3m1> I suck at networking so I cannot do much tricky things, yet !
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1360 [09:54:10] <xenomorph_xx_121> r3m1: so in the ifup script for the gprs, make it so that in the 'ip route add default via ...', add something like 'table 2' at the end. then you can use 'ip rule' to make certain connections stay within routing table 2
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1370 [09:55:56] <xenomorph_xx_121> r3m1: you can use iptables to MARK packets with a number, based on whatever criteria you want ... then use ip rule to contrain those packets to a particular routing table
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1374 [09:56:27] <r3m1> xenomorph_xx_121: this is how you did is it ?
1375 [09:56:33] <xenomorph_xx_121> r3m1: that way you can have two default gateways without any conflict
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1377 [09:57:02] <xenomorph_xx_121> r3m1: essentially, yes. thats how i could do ping tests on both connections, while still only having one default gateway
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1383 [09:58:19] <xenomorph_xx_121> r3m1: but if all you want to do is ping to test the connection, just use a static route to a test ip and use your script to switch the default gateway as needed. no need for iptables and ip rule if thats all you want to do
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1388 [09:58:43] <insieu> replaced-url
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1391 [09:58:58] <xenomorph_xx_121> r3m1: i use iptables and ip rule to make sure p2p goes over a vpn. run all my p2p apps as a separate user
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1399 [10:02:06] <r3m1> xenomorph_xx_121: ok I think I have enough to keep trying, thanks
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1413 [10:07:56] <darxmurf> how the hell can I troubleshoot logind service ?!
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1416 [10:08:03] <darxmurf> this stuff is acting weird
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1461 [10:29:28] <kek64> hello. i'm reading Grafana installation docs, and stumbled upon this line:
1462 [10:29:30] <kek64> update-rc.d grafana-server defaults 95 10
1463 [10:29:42] <kek64> can anyone explain what these two numbers mean?
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1468 [10:29:56] <kek64> i tried man, but still can't figure it out
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1471 [10:30:27] <FinalX> I also wasn't aware that update-rc.d took parameters to "defaults"
1472 [10:30:31] <ksk> kek64: you tried man update-rc.d ?
1473 [10:30:36] <ksk> sry for the plenking.
1474 [10:30:49] <kek64> ksk, yes, but it's wording is kinda complicated
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1476 [10:31:03] <darxmurf> Sep 14 10:02:55 lcbcpc50 systemd-logind[2519]: Failed to enable subscription: Activation of org.freedesktop.systemd1
1477 [10:31:06] <darxmurf> Sep 14 10:02:55 lcbcpc50 systemd-logind[2519]: Failed to fully start up daemon: Connection timed out
1478 [10:31:21] <FinalX> actually, on line 238 of update-rc.d: 238 # All start/stop/defaults arguments are discarded so emit a
1479 [10:31:26] <FinalX> kek64: ^^
1480 [10:31:29] <darxmurf> anybody to point which direction I should check to fix this logind problem ?
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1482 [10:32:08] <kek64> FinalX, so it's equivalent to update-rc.d grafana-server defaults? thanks!
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1484 [10:32:17] <FinalX> yeah, seems so
1485 [10:32:48] <kek64> FinalX, much appreciated.
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1500 [10:41:14] <freefor> any ops here ?
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1515 [10:48:23] <ksk> freanux: why would you need them? :)
1516 [10:49:54] <jelly> misTab strikes again!
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1536 [11:01:26] <lordcheatcode> Hail!
1537 [11:01:51] <lordcheatcode> Anyone getting massive DNS issues?
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1555 [11:11:22] <Drzacek> define massive
1556 [11:11:50] <missmbob> no let's not
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1558 [11:12:51] <lordcheatcode> Lols
1559 [11:13:00] <lordcheatcode> HTTPS failing to connect through LA
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1561 [11:13:34] <lordcheatcode> Not when I route through google free dns, but att mobile, verizon mobile, and century link dsl
1562 [11:13:36] <missmbob> https not connecting is 99% of times having to do with your computer's time/timezone being off
1563 [11:14:05] <lordcheatcode> 3 networks, 3 devices, and through google dns it works fine, so its not a ntp issue
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1566 [11:14:16] <missmbob> no one said it was ntp
1567 [11:14:19] <lordcheatcode> isitdownnow also showing speakeasy out of la as down
1568 [11:14:34] <missmbob> which ip do you think is down?
1569 [11:14:57] <lordcheatcode> before I swapped out to google dns, daz3d.com for example was down, seemed most https was failing
1570 [11:15:16] <lordcheatcode> was just wondering if anyone else noticed anything is all.
1571 [11:15:54] <missmbob> no. but you're not going to give us more info to investigate either, so i dont know why you asked. you really think all of the internet is having a DNS problem? c'mon
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1574 [11:16:15] <lordcheatcode> I didnt think so... so I asked if anyone else noticed.
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1576 [11:16:24] <missmbob> !anyone
1577 [11:16:24] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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1580 [11:16:41] <missmbob> you can respond to questions or not.
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1582 [11:17:14] <lordcheatcode> Bwahaha, msg torll. I didnt ask if 'anyone can help me with a vague issue' i asked if a person observed anything, trollon fussy pants. later
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1585 [11:17:49] <missmbob> i'm a torll. is that good?
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1587 [11:18:01] <AlwaysHigh> what method can i take to download files from windows to my debian server?
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1589 [11:18:07] <AlwaysHigh> from my debian server
1590 [11:18:10] <missmbob> AlwaysHigh: rsync
1591 [11:18:20] <ksk> AlwaysHigh: Install cygwin on the windows box, then use ssh.
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1595 [11:19:47] <AlwaysHigh> missmbob, i tried that but every so often i would get this error: rsync: mkstemp "/pool0/myfiles/to/transfer" failed: Permission denied (13)
1596 [11:19:52] <AlwaysHigh> this is using windows rsync
1597 [11:19:58] <AlwaysHigh> not via cygwin
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1599 [11:20:22] <missmbob> i dont even know what rsync in windows is outside of cygwin. so i guess i'm out
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1602 [11:21:05] <AlwaysHigh> well ill give it a try inside cgywin
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1604 [11:21:18] <darxmurf> fook ! the problem was the network socket !
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1610 [11:24:26] <seprob> Hello. I have this kernel message "aufs au_opts_verify:1597:docker[946]: dirperm1 breaks the protection by the permission bits on the lower branch" and when I'm restarting a server it can't boot. Any ideas?
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1619 [11:30:39] <AlwaysHigh> missmbob, how do u install more
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1622 [11:31:15] <AlwaysHigh> missmbob, how do u install more i got "rsync: Failed to exec ssh: No such file or directory (2)"
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1624 [11:31:41] <missmbob> AlwaysHigh: i install rsync and ssh with cygwin. problem solved.
1625 [11:31:58] <AlwaysHigh> lol cause i can find the inital install
1626 [11:32:02] <AlwaysHigh> do i just run the .exe again
1627 [11:32:07] <AlwaysHigh> that i download
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1629 [11:32:17] <missmbob> yes. then click custom. pick what you want. then download/install
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1634 [11:33:45] * AlwaysHigh crosses fingers
1635 [11:34:33] <missmbob> you're overthinking this. if you cant figure out rsync just put the data on a fucking usb stick and move it over
1636 [11:35:08] <babilen> .oO( too easy )
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1638 [11:36:10] <AlwaysHigh> dam still get the permission denied
1639 [11:36:18] <AlwaysHigh> yet the users im using has ownership
1640 [11:36:37] <bazhang> what exe is he trying to run on debian
1641 [11:36:45] <AlwaysHigh> no exe
1642 [11:36:58] <missmbob> hopefully exe was cygwin.
1643 [11:37:00] <AlwaysHigh> im trying to transfer some stuff locally from my windows system to a small debian file server
1644 [11:37:03] <missmbob> who knows now
1645 [11:37:22] <missmbob> yeah. usb stick. dont hurt your brain
1646 [11:37:23] <AlwaysHigh> but i keep getting permission denied by rysnc on my windows
1647 [11:37:31] <AlwaysHigh> dude its 200gb
1648 [11:37:41] <AlwaysHigh> my biggest is 16gb
1649 [11:37:44] <missmbob> then just use scp
1650 [11:37:46] <bazhang> <AlwaysHigh> do i just run the .exe again
1651 [11:37:53] <bazhang> which exe is that
1652 [11:37:57] <missmbob> winscp i hear is easy
1653 [11:38:00] <AlwaysHigh> bazhang, that was the windows cygwin
1654 [11:38:17] <darxmurf> under windows 10 you can enable bash
1655 [11:38:21] <bazhang> this is the ultra hard way
1656 [11:38:28] <missmbob> fuck now we cant call that bash
1657 [11:38:32] <missmbob> no*
1658 [11:38:46] <darxmurf> yes it's bash
1659 [11:38:46] <missmbob> a lot of things don't work. mosh, for example
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1661 [11:38:50] <darxmurf> ah ok
1662 [11:39:14] <darxmurf> but it's a "ubuntu" weird mix there
1663 [11:39:27] <missmbob> i dont give a fuck what ubuntu does either
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1665 [11:39:45] <darxmurf> sweet
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1668 [11:40:43] <jusss> how to match two strings at the same time in a file with grep?
1669 [11:41:05] <missmbob> jusss: you can do |grep foo |grep foo2
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1672 [11:43:27] <phogg> jusss: try also -f to read patterns from a file
1673 [11:43:34] <jusss> missmbob: I found |grep foo | foo2
1674 [11:44:21] <jusss> that don't work...
1675 [11:44:55] <babilen> jusss: Do you mean that both have to exist on the same line or one or the other?
1676 [11:44:56] <petemc> egrep 'foo|bar'
1677 [11:44:59] <phogg> jusss: grep -f <(printf '%s\n' root bin) /etc/passwd
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1679 [11:45:15] <jusss> babilen: one or the other
1680 [11:45:23] <babilen> jusss: See petemc's comment then
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1682 [11:45:38] <missmbob> and then understand egrep vs grep
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1686 [11:46:09] * babilen prefers "grep -E"
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1688 [11:46:12] <noobdeb> hello, I made the mistake and didn't select the default desktop config after installing debian, how can I get this nice convenient bar with clock and applications and so on?
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1691 [11:46:55] <babilen> noobdeb: Are you referring to something that looks like replaced-url
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1693 [11:47:22] <noobdeb> babilen: yep the thing at the top
1694 [11:47:32] <missmbob> when you dont select anything you get that. that's gnome 3. you're welcome
1695 [11:47:39] <babilen> dpkg: install gnome
1696 [11:47:40] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
1697 [11:47:48] <noobdeb> ok...
1698 [11:48:05] <babilen> noobdeb: Did you install a graphical environment at all?
1699 [11:48:11] <babilen> Or is the box booting to console?
1700 [11:48:23] <missmbob> (default is gnome)...even on netinst
1701 [11:48:29] <noobdeb> babilen: I have an empty desktop, and gui stuff
1702 [11:48:45] <missmbob> yep. you got what you picked. gnome 3
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1704 [11:49:11] <babilen> And that "gui stuff" doesn't look like the environment in the picture I just mentioned?
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1706 [11:49:36] <babilen> Which image did you use and could you perhaps paste a screenshot?
1707 [11:49:44] <noobdeb> no, there is nothing at the sides of my desktop, but it behaves normally otherwise, so I can rightclick and access everything from there
1708 [11:50:04] <jusss> petemc: egrep is what I need, thanks
1709 [11:50:20] <noobdeb> babilen: I used an image from linuxcnc.org because they distribute their software only by bundeling it into the OS and making you install that...
1710 [11:50:21] <missmbob> jusss: keep in mind egrep isnt as portable
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1713 [11:51:44] <babilen> noobdeb: Well, we don't really support that in here, but if you were to paste a picture we could tell you which desktop environement you are using now. See above for instructions on how to install gnome 3.
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1716 [11:52:33] <noobdeb> babilen: I'm already installing that, I only used ubuntu and xubuntu before, so I thought that bar was default. If I have to install something to get it, that's ok I can do that...
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1718 [11:52:46] <noobdeb> and suggestions where I should upload the screenshot?
1719 [11:52:56] <noobdeb> *any
1720 [11:53:40] <babilen> noobdeb: We have no idea what linuxcnc did with their software and packages selection. It sounds as if they changed something or installed a different desktop environment. On Debian that would be the default, yes
1721 [11:53:43] <jusss> noobdeb: you can put it in github...
1722 [11:54:17] <noobdeb> jusss: they do image uploads now?
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1724 [11:55:12] <missmbob> i dont think anyone here actually understands what you're saying.
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1733 [11:57:52] <noobdeb> replaced-url
1734 [11:58:10] <noobdeb> that's what it looks like
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1737 [11:59:30] <t0mb0_> if I run ntpq -c host will that sync the system time?
1738 [11:59:37] <colo-work> I upgraded a host here to the current bpo kernel (4.6) from 3.16. it has a md-RAID1 of NVME devices configured. the array comes up fine with 3.16, but systemd somehow fails to assemble it during bootup with 4.6 and drops me into rescue mode.
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1741 [11:59:51] <t0mb0_> or does it just do a grateous request and throw away the results
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1743 [12:00:03] <colo-work> there, I can just do `mdadm --assemble --scan` OR `mdadm --assemble /dev/md0`, and both yield the md device just fine
1744 [12:00:12] <colo-work> how can I debug what the heck is going on?
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1746 [12:00:22] <colo-work> how can that even depend on the kernel version I'm booting? :(
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1749 [12:00:40] <colo-work> I just regenerated the initrd, so it's supposed to contain the correct mdadm.conf
1750 [12:01:03] <colo-work> when I switch to 3.16 instead of 4.6, the array comes up during bootup without problems
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1771 [12:13:46] <AlwaysHigh> well chmod -r 777
1772 [12:14:37] <jelly> that's almost never a good idea, AlwaysHigh
1773 [12:14:46] <AlwaysHigh> yeah lol
1774 [12:14:49] <AlwaysHigh> its a local server
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1776 [12:14:56] <AlwaysHigh> doubt anyone will attack it
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1779 [12:15:13] <AlwaysHigh> untill i create a group for my users :p
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1782 [12:16:58] <toothpick> hey, i got an issue regarding ssh. I can connect to the remote host through 2 machines (where the remote host asked for authentication yes/no) however, on this local machine as well as another I get "Connection closed by -host-", it doesnt even ask me for authentication, any guideance would be appreciated
1783 [12:17:38] <petemc> toothpick: can you check /var/log/auth.log on server ?
1784 [12:17:44] <toothpick> sure hold on
1785 [12:17:47] <xand> in my experience, that's because of entries in /etc/hosts.allow/deny
1786 [12:18:06] <toothpick> petemc: no sorry i cannot reach the log on the server which i try to connect to
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1788 [12:18:29] <xand> toothpick: it's about impossible to troubleshoot without access to that log
1789 [12:18:48] <xand> you can try sshing from a different client machine
1790 [12:19:16] <toothpick> xand: petemc the thing is that I can connect to the sftp through filezilla or w/e but not from cli
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1792 [12:19:44] <xand> you mean using sftp cli? or ssh?
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1795 [12:20:07] <xenomorph_xx_121> toothpick: ssh -vvvv might help to figure it out
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1797 [12:20:58] <toothpick> from my lab server, i can connect both through sftp and ssh to the remote server, from the local machine i can connect to the sftp through filezilla but, i cannot connect to the sftp nor ssh through the local cli
1798 [12:21:51] <toothpick> xenomorph_xx_121: i checked that, it hangs before it even tries to auth me for password
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1800 [12:22:17] <xenomorph_xx_121> toothpick: hangs? i thought you said it rejects u...
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1802 [12:22:51] <xenomorph_xx_121> a hang is likely a firewall or routing issue
1803 [12:23:00] <toothpick> xenomorph_xx_121: yes well bad choice of word, it does reject me, but on the remote server using -vvv right after the debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<8192<8192) sent, it directs me to password auth
1804 [12:23:29] <toothpick> but on my local machine, it does reject me just after that line
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1808 [12:24:05] <toothpick> whats making me confused is that i can connect to the sftp from the local machine through filezilla but no through the cli (using mac)
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1811 [12:24:42] <xenomorph_xx_121> toothpick: the ssh client is probably not trying an auth mechanisms and/or cipher that are supported by the server
1812 [12:25:18] <xenomorph_xx_121> toothpick: you could try a new ssh config on the client, or if its mac its probably got some weird or outdated openssh. so maybe install a new client
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1816 [12:26:18] <tomreyn> filezilla uses a putty based ssh authentication mechanism in later versions. earlier versions get things wrong pretty much, key authentication will either fail or be mandatory depending on some factors.
1817 [12:26:38] <tomreyn> ...using openssh keys.
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1819 [12:27:53] <tomreyn> also check whethe royu have an ssh client configuration file, such as ~/.ssh/config , and whether it restrics authentication mechanisms.
1820 [12:28:06] <xenomorph_xx_121> yeah, exactly ^^
1821 [12:28:10] <toothpick> i will just edit the sshd config to mimic the linux machine i got (which it works on) and then update the mac's ssh
1822 [12:28:12] <xenomorph_xx_121> and /etc/ssh/ssh_config
1823 [12:28:41] <toothpick> yea i thought it was something like that as well i even went that far that i printed both the linux cfg and mac sitting with my coffee going through step by step haha pisses me off this mac
1824 [12:29:02] <xenomorph_xx_121> you could use one of those mac package managers (i dont remember what they're called) to get a more standard openssh installation
1825 [12:29:25] <xand> sshd config is for server not client
1826 [12:29:32] <toothpick> ssh*
1827 [12:30:00] <xenomorph_xx_121> ... or install debian on the thing ...
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1829 [12:30:15] <toothpick> :-D
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1838 [12:34:35] <toothpick> i install macports (the pkg manager seem to be called) and check the auth in the client ssh cfg on the mac, if i still get troubles i might bug u guys abit more later :)
1839 [12:34:42] <t0mb0_> weird
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1842 [12:34:47] <t0mb0_> anyone get timeout on ntpstat
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1844 [12:35:08] <t0mb0_> without a restrict line for the eth0 IP address?
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1846 [12:35:27] <t0mb0_> policy is set to default restrict ignore
1847 [12:35:40] <t0mb0_> I would have thought default to 127.0.0.1
1848 [12:35:44] <t0mb0_> for ntpstat
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1853 [12:37:06] <sk1> hello guys
1854 [12:38:05] <sk1> i need help with my ubuntu server. I can't configure it to be visible from internet,
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1857 [12:38:52] <sk1> ip 148.100.33.7; nmap says that ports 22 80 443 1723 are open
1858 [12:38:59] <sk1> but i can't connect to it
1859 [12:39:07] <sk1> only via SSH
1860 [12:39:19] <sk1> i also setup apache forward proxy
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1871 [12:44:22] <Mahe> sk1, what exactly do you mean by 'visible from internet' ?
1872 [12:45:06] <Mahe> The IP serves a Apache default page for me.
1873 [12:45:21] <toothpick> xenomorph_xx_121: (installing the pkg manager for mac) = 3 hours to make, "port install openssh" well .. guess ill sit back and relax :-)
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1877 [12:45:56] <sk1> i can connect to 148.100.33.7 via SSH, but i try to connect to port 80 apache server and i can't, i tried to up PPTP VPN and it doesn't work
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1879 [12:46:32] <sk1> but apache works fine if u user it from localhost
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1883 [12:46:58] <sk1> lynx localhost works!
1884 [12:47:08] <toothpick> sk1: ur webiste works for me as well (apache default page) as Mahe said
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1888 [12:48:15] <teraflops> port install weechat +ssl <3
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1894 [12:49:52] <xenomorph_xx_121> toothpick: there are binary package managers as well
1895 [12:50:22] <xenomorph_xx_121> i remember using one called fink back in the day ... but it may have been superseded by something else
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1897 [12:51:39] <xenomorph_xx_121> homebrew is the other one
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1924 [13:03:35] <teraflops> sk1: I just read your last message so maybe I'm r0ng but if you fail to connect to your website via vpn it looks like your routes are messed up, e.g if you use openvpn you can specify that you want clients to see each other or you can even do openvpn in bridge mode.
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1946 [13:14:27] <grey__> hi, can one install Debian for EFI, while booting a live system in bios legacy?
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1949 [13:16:26] <grey__> anyone?
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1952 [13:19:30] <grey__> I'm trying to do a custom install with debootstrap, but the live images only boot on legacy bios. Can I force a UEFI install?
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1955 [13:20:12] <towo`> grey__, then why you donÄt use the normal installer image, which is efi capable?
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1957 [13:20:51] <grey__> towo`: because it doesn't let me pick the hashing method for luks
1958 [13:21:10] <grey__> towo`: it picks sha256, while sha512 is faster on 64bit
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1963 [13:23:52] <themill> the installer does nothing of the sort
1964 [13:24:26] <grey__> themill, it does, I tried it yesterday
1965 [13:24:53] <themill> No, it offers aes256 as a default.
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1967 [13:25:13] <grey__> themill, aes256 is the cipher, sha256 is the hash
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1969 [13:26:08] <grey__> It would be good if the user was presented with a list of options for hash, like it happens for cipher
1970 [13:26:22] <grey__> maybe one would like to use whirlpool, or ripe160 of all things
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1972 [13:27:48] <tom99> grey__: ripe160 is so much easier to do in straight C++. I bet there isn't even an easy way to do it in python!
1973 [13:27:50] <themill> wait... the hash runs once during install. Who cares how fast it is?
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1976 [13:28:29] <grey__> funny thing is, ubuntu debootstrap is not compatible with debian's, and if you use it it complains that some package is missing in the repos
1977 [13:28:32] <tom99> python lame anyway
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1979 [13:29:52] <grey__> themill, dosn't the hashing run everytime you write something to disk?
1980 [13:30:34] <themill> that's the cipher
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1982 [13:30:45] <themill> the hash is for generating the key
1983 [13:30:59] <grey__> themill, I say it because the benchmarks show vastly different speeds depending on what hash you choose
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1987 [13:31:38] <themill> As usual, the arch wiki ends up having the useful details in one place. replaced-url
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2036 [14:07:58] <toothpick> xenomorph_xx_121: got it to work was just that mac uses a old version of openssh, thanks!
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2043 [14:11:40] <grey__> themill, it seems you're right. Done some benchmarking myself with those two different options and the results are just miliseconds different
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2062 [14:19:09] <debian-alain> bonjour
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2071 [14:21:02] <ftpd> Hi all. I'm looking for any working mirror dor Squeeze. Do you know any? I have to rebuild weird, old OS and according to official documentation it's possible only on squeeze.
2072 [14:21:27] <ftpd> It needs live-helper package, which is available in squeeze-backports.
2073 [14:21:28] <themill> !squeeze sources.list
2074 [14:21:29] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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2076 [14:22:15] <debian-alain> i have trouble with virtual box 5.1.6 . it seems to work only with 32 bits VM
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2080 [14:23:54] <ftpd> themill: Can I use this with netinstall?
2081 [14:24:14] <rjsalts> debian-alain, what's the host os's arch?
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2087 [14:26:15] <aditya3098> hi, what does -bin at the end of a package name mean?
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2089 [14:26:27] <aditya3098> like libvirt-bin
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2092 [14:27:11] <ftpd> themill: Yes, I can. Thanks!
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2094 [14:27:52] <themill> aditya3098: same as /usr/bin and friends
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2096 [14:28:39] <Agiofws> ok
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2099 [14:29:21] <aditya3098> themill: huh? I don't understand. Does it mean the package contains /usr/bin files? But lots of packages contain those. What maked a package get a -bin suffix?
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2102 [14:29:40] <towo`> it contains the executable stuff
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2104 [14:29:47] <MaBunny> those are the binaries of tht package
2105 [14:29:47] <themill> aditya3098: it's the binaries that go with a library
2106 [14:29:59] <themill> aditya3098: *that* is much more unusual
2107 [14:30:13] <Agiofws> i don;t know if this is debians fault but since a chrome update via synaptic ( jessie stable 4.16 kernel i think for back ports) i have no sound in youtube via chrome. I do have sound on firefox for example can anyone figure this out for me please?
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2109 [14:30:34] <CQ> hello, I've got a weird problem and am not sure how to narrow it down. In debian, if I watch a youtube html5 video, often when I pause it and want to resume it, it won't resume. The problem is pulseaudio... no other videos will play, a FF restart doesn't help. Only pulseaudio --kill helps, then the videos play again, Otherwise it stays at the circling-dots
2110 [14:30:40] <Agiofws> maybe its because pulseaudio is not running or fails to restart
2111 [14:30:43] <aditya3098> ah, so like libexec, but with package names
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2113 [14:31:03] <Agiofws> lol
2114 [14:31:51] <Agiofws> i had thi sissue from yesterday but have not rebooted yet only suspended my machine
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2118 [14:33:11] <Agiofws> anyone?
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2122 [14:34:26] <l0llip0p> Agiofws: no idea. Why you cant use firefox? Or maeby you should ask form #chrome channel
2123 [14:34:30] <CQ> Agiofws: what do I do about it? how cna I fix it?
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2126 [14:35:08] <CQ> Agiofws: or were you referrring to something else?
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2132 [14:36:42] <Agiofws> i use chrome have a gmail account os its more convenient for me
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2134 [14:36:55] <Agiofws> but its strange i'll have to reboot to confirm
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2153 [14:44:21] <sk1> dear colleagues
2154 [14:44:31] <sk1> i need help with ubuntu server 16.04
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2157 [14:44:47] <sk1> I setup apache HTTP forward proxy
2158 [14:44:53] <sk1> it doesn't work for me
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2160 [14:45:10] <CQ> this is not ubuntu, /join #ubuntu
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2162 [14:45:30] <hassoon> CQ: meh ubuntu is a mere derivative of debian
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2164 [14:46:04] <CQ> hassoon: sure, but problems of "mere" derivatives are still distro specific and not necessarily the same across distros
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2191 [14:57:14] <jelly> sk1: traffic in #ubuntu can be a bit overwhelming at times. Also try #ubuntu-server or #httpd for general apache questions
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2218 [15:04:15] <ozfan> why there is no GNU fdisk available on jessie? while it is on wheezy.
2219 [15:04:27] <ozfan> replaced-url
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2221 [15:05:11] <ozfan> it is far more functional then fdisk from util-linux
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2234 [15:11:51] <zykotick9> ozfan: well, looking into your question, i just learned that gdisk is NOT GNU fdisk as i'd previously assumed... TIL
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2253 [15:20:39] <tyrion-web> Hello, I am trying to run apt-get update but I get Hash sum mismatch. This is my sources.list: "deb replaced-url
2254 [15:20:39] <tyrion-web> ". I have tried rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* and some stuff written online such as replaced-url
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2261 [15:21:40] <Rubas> Hello, I have a friend who wants to scp a file into my server - but I want to make sure that this file is non-executable and harmless and won't be able to do any harm on my system - is this possible with chmod and chown?
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2263 [15:22:48] <yokisuci> tyrion-web: Have you tried changing mirror?
2264 [15:22:58] <tyrion-web> nope
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2266 [15:23:37] <ksk> Rubas: you can mount his home noexec, but he then could still use any interpreters you have installed (python, bash...)
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2268 [15:23:58] <yokisuci> tyrion-web: Try that. Even tho i'm living in Sweden i'm using ftp.debian.org. For some reason, i had issues with the swedish mirror from time to time.
2269 [15:24:14] <Rubas> ksk: what is I restrict him to only rssh?
2270 [15:24:20] <ksk> Rubas: also google for scponly; replaced-url
2271 [15:24:21] <yokisuci> tyrion-web: Btw, why do you want to run sid? :/
2272 [15:24:33] <ksk> if you dont give him a shell he probably cant "do" anything besides uploading.
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2275 [15:24:43] <iamawesome> Hi, can i ask about fork() function/system-call here?
2276 [15:24:48] <tyrion-web> yokisuci: I have newer packages :P why not?
2277 [15:24:56] <tyrion-web> let me try to change mirror
2278 [15:25:00] <ksk> iamawesome: sounds like c to me, but you could give it a try :)
2279 [15:25:02] <Rubas> ksk: true - very true, but the encryption is still active right?
2280 [15:25:25] <yokisuci> tyrion-web: because it's unstable and stuff can break. Stretch/Testing doesn't have THAT much older packages.
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2282 [15:25:48] <ksk> yes, it transports stuff via a ssh channel
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2284 [15:26:19] <iamawesome> fork() creates child process, it copies the parent process, why do we need to create this child process?
2285 [15:26:28] <yokisuci> tyrion-web: ^^
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2287 [15:26:54] <colo-work> iamawesome, that's how process creation works in UNIX systems. without the initial copy, there wouldn't be any new processes, period.
2288 [15:27:04] <ksk> iamawesome: because you are writing software that does stuff in parallel? like httpd does fork for (kind of) every request
2289 [15:27:11] <tyrion-web> yokisuci: you are right, but I discovered that later ahah :P
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2291 [15:27:47] <Rubas> ksk: thank you
2292 [15:27:56] <tyrion-web> btw it was a problem of the mirror .. the solution was so simple :O
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2295 [15:28:03] <tyrion-web> thank you
2296 [15:28:09] <iamawesome> Why do i need to run the same parent and child program?
2297 [15:28:30] <yokisuci> tyrion-web: haha! xD I would really concider using Stretch instead. ^_^ Havn't tried it but shouldn't be that much of a problem just chaning sid to stretch in your sources list. You're welcome :)
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2299 [15:29:01] <ksk> iamawesome: how about replaced-url
2300 [15:29:10] <ksk> it kind of explains things
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2312 [15:34:20] <surfist> has anyone had trouble with touchpad scrolling? and fixed it?
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2317 [15:35:34] <iflema> surfist: trouble? do elaborate
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2321 [15:37:42] <surfist> when Xorg was using synaptics driver all was fine.. now it's using libinput and scrolling is gone.. have played with various xx-libinput stuff and xinput to no avail.. synclient doesn't work
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2324 [15:38:54] <iflema> surfist: yeah... not sure I just use synaptics.
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2326 [15:39:21] <surfist> how can I use synaptics without downgrading?
2327 [15:40:47] <iflema> install it?
2328 [15:40:47] <surfist> Xorg is: X.Org X Server 1.18.3
2329 [15:41:02] <surfist> hah okay
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2332 [15:42:18] <iflema> jessie just came out
2333 [15:42:20] <iflema> lol
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2335 [15:43:07] <iflema> thers some notes on the wiki page about it
2336 [15:43:18] <iflema> stretch that is
2337 [15:43:35] <surfist> it's apparently installed and it's upgrading now
2338 [15:43:36] <surfist> here's another fun question... in gnome settings ... setting take effect immediately.. can it be done via commandline too?
2339 [15:43:36] <surfist> without restarting X?
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2342 [15:44:23] <surfist> I'm using a debian variant which uses testing
2343 [15:44:31] <surfist> so I don't even know what it is anymore but it used to be wheezy based
2344 [15:44:43] <iflema> argh.. good question... if i wanst in the dark and/or laying down i would tell you.. =)
2345 [15:45:08] <surfist> fair enough :)
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2352 [15:45:47] <iflema> surfist: i guess set it unload module and reload it?
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2354 [15:46:16] <surfist> the psmouse module?
2355 [15:46:22] <iflema> mm
2356 [15:46:39] <iflema> whatever that is =)
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2358 [15:47:21] <surfist> all I have found is modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=imp or summat.. and that makes ps2/synaptics become generic
2359 [15:47:42] <iflema> linux is too easy these days... i dont know anything anymore
2360 [15:47:58] <surfist> far out :) except when it goes bad :)
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2363 [15:48:16] <iflema> arch baby... believe it or not
2364 [15:48:27] <iflema> never goes wrong... heh
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2368 [15:49:04] <surfist> it's more geeky (tm) but I'm not about to create total chaos by switching :)
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2370 [15:49:22] <surfist> slackware used to be my favorite.... installing stuff is tedious
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2374 [15:49:24] <iflema> surfist: just use debian instead of testing variant
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2376 [15:49:43] <surfist> iflema: I suppose
2377 [15:49:53] <iflema> surfist: good to goto when the new stuff is annoying
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2379 [15:49:59] <surfist> and avoid dist-upgrade like the plague
2380 [15:50:16] <iflema> unstable... its not even testing
2381 [15:50:37] <iflema> its for devs and fools
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2385 [15:51:30] <wols_> got a sorta debian problem: I'm trying to resolve the host topapplicationsoftware62.download (warning: malware dispenser, some fake flashplayer "pro" update). My debian doesn't want to: Cannot handle "host" cmdline arg `topapplicationsoftware62.download' on position 1 (argc 1)
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2387 [15:52:15] <wols_> that's what a traceroute command brings, ping brings ping: topapplicationsoftware62.download: No address associated with hostname. However: pinging "nic.download" works just fine. So why can't I traceroute this domain?
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2396 [15:57:44] <surfist> that was fun
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2465 [16:20:05] <jhutchins> wols_: Can you resolve it's IP?
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2519 [16:48:06] <ChrisH> Is .download a valid TLD?
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2524 [16:48:49] <ksk> hola. If I do "LC_ALL=C perl somescript.pl" it does not load the locale-archive; If I do for example "LC_ALL=de_DE.utf8 perl somescript.pl" it seems to load ALL the available locales from locales-archive, not just the one I choose. Can I somehow alter that behaviour? thanks! (this question is about perl, but I would think any other locale-aware interpreter language would do the same thing)
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2531 [16:51:11] <greycat> If you don't get an answer here, try #perl
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2535 [16:52:51] <themill> ,i publicsuffix
2536 [16:52:52] <judd> Package publicsuffix (net, extra) in jessie/amd64: accurate, machine-readable list of domain name suffixes. Version: 20140902-1; Size: 52.6k; Installed: 200k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2538 [16:52:58] <themill> ChrisH: ^^ apparently so
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2541 [16:54:05] <NetTraveller> Hi! I've setup debian as a router, can someone recommend a traffic control application that has an webgui ? (or a webgui for TC)
2542 [16:54:43] <jhutchins> !locales
2543 [16:54:43] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. replaced-url
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2545 [16:55:25] <greycat> I don't know what "the locale-archive" is, or what it means to "load" it, or how one determines that a perl program "loaded" it.
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2547 [16:55:41] * themill was about to ask the same thing
2548 [16:56:10] <themill> also, de_DE.utf8 is not a valid locale
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2551 [16:57:25] <greycat> What's the german utf8 locale named, then?
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2554 [16:57:43] <ChrisH> themill,wols_ getent hosts topapplicationsoftware62.download -> noting getent hosts nic.download -> IPv6 adress
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2556 [16:58:06] <ChrisH> themill,wols_ getent hosts topapplicationsoftware62.download -> nothing getent hosts nic.download -> IPv6+V4 adress
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2579 [17:05:03] <ksk> themill: it seems it does not matter if you write de_DE.utf8 or de_DE.utf-8 both are valid
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2581 [17:05:26] <themill> neither are, actually. Maybe perl accepts them
2582 [17:05:26] <bigterd> does anyone know if photorec has a version that's multicore/thread?
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2586 [17:06:22] <ksk> bash does, too
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2598 [17:08:55] <RoyK> bigterd: I don't think so - usuaslly, photorec is mostly limited by I/O anyway, so it wouldn't help much
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2600 [17:09:53] <bigterd> RoyK: easy scan is done, scanned and scored alot in this 8Gb image. now it's doing brute force, 1 core is pegged, the other 32 are doing nothing.
2601 [17:10:32] <bigterd> 31*
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2604 [17:11:36] <bigterd> that's why i was curious if they had a multicore version for brute force scanning
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2606 [17:11:59] <RoyK> bigterd: how is the I/O load?
2607 [17:12:22] <themill> greycat: the canonical spelling is "UTF-8"; I don't know how the fallback is implemented
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2609 [17:12:34] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ locale
2610 [17:12:34] <greycat> LANG=en_US.utf8
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2622 [17:18:47] <bigterd> RoyK: iowait is 0.88% average
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2624 [17:19:24] <bigterd> the array is read/writing of average 30Kb/sec both ways
2625 [17:19:33] <Flashtek> \o/ array \o/
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2634 [17:21:10] <bigterd> photorec has only done ~100,000 sectors in the past 1 hour. haha.
2635 [17:21:29] <cra1g321> you can filter what it looks for
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2639 [17:22:16] <bigterd> cra1g321: you know...i forgot about that. it's having issues pulling videos...
2640 [17:22:38] <cra1g321> i've only used it for pics
2641 [17:22:42] <bigterd> 2gb missing from a ddrescue dump of an 8Gb card.
2642 [17:22:51] <bigterd> the card started to smoke in front of me before it gave up the ghost.
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2644 [17:24:00] <bigterd> cra1g321: you have experience with ddrescue log files? would you mind looking at a log for me? interesting pattern. i think it's failed memory.
2645 [17:24:17] <cra1g321> never used that
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2647 [17:24:29] <bigterd> never used ddrescue?
2648 [17:24:41] <cra1g321> correct
2649 [17:25:10] <bigterd> really? my practice has been to image the disk asap, then make a few copies to experiemnt with.
2650 [17:25:33] <bigterd> although makes 4Tb images fun to shuffle around.
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2654 [17:27:13] <RoyK> bigterd: I had a quick look at the source, and it seems very traditional and singlethreaded
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2656 [17:28:05] <bigterd> RoyK: thanks. kinda curious why so single in multi threaded world...
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2659 [17:28:47] <RoyK> bigterd: guess a feature request and a nice donation to them might help ;) replaced-url
2660 [17:29:18] <bigterd> hm. doesn't support m4v
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2666 [17:30:27] <drpillar> 1
2667 [17:30:35] <drpillar> hello all
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2669 [17:31:31] <jhutchins> bigterd: You make it sound like this is something you do regularly. I would think you would make provisions for backups to avoid it.
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2673 [17:32:44] <CQ> hello, I've got a weird problem and am not sure how to narrow it down. In debian, if I watch a youtube html5 video, often when I pause it and want to resume it, it won't resume. The problem is pulseaudio... no other videos will play, a FF restart doesn't help. Only pulseaudio --kill helps, then the videos play again, Otherwise it stays at the circling-dots
2674 [17:32:53] <bigterd> jhutchins: i do. it's my income.
2675 [17:33:08] <RoyK> bigterd: doesn't look like it'd be hard to add that - RTFS ;)
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2677 [17:33:48] <bigterd> soon. just curious what's avaiable.
2678 [17:34:15] <bigterd> what software has become in the past 30 years.
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2689 [17:41:22] <bigterd> replaced-url
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2691 [17:42:24] <jmcnaught> CQ: does the same thing happen with other programs?
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2702 [17:45:05] <Midnightx> hello anyone.
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2712 [17:46:08] <Midnightx> i got problem when i trying install steam to my AMD machine
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2714 [17:46:21] <Midnightx> got error in libexpat1 : Breaks: libexpat1:i386 (!= 2.1.0-6+deb8u3) but 2.1.0-6+deb8u2 is to be installed.
2715 [17:46:22] <Midnightx> libexpat1:i386 : Breaks: libexpat1 (!= 2.1.0-6+deb8u2) but 2.1.0-6+deb8u3 is installed.
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2717 [17:46:38] <Midnightx> any suggest to fix this problem
2718 [17:47:05] <greycat> ,v libexpat1
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2720 [17:47:06] <judd> Package: libexpat1 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.1.0-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.1.0-1+deb7u4; jessie: 2.1.0-6+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.1.0-6+deb8u3; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.1.0-6+deb8u3; stretch: 2.2.0-1; sid: 2.2.0-1
2721 [17:47:28] <greycat> Put your jessie-security lines BACK IN where they belong.
2722 [17:47:36] <greycat> Stop commenting them out or deleting them.
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2759 [18:04:37] <seoner> hi who can receive a sms for me? /msg me
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2809 [18:23:22] <bhurstpdx1> Assume you believe that a machine has been subject to a root-level compromise.
2810 [18:23:23] <bhurstpdx1> What would you do to ascertain the integrity of the data on the machine?
2811 [18:23:25] <bhurstpdx1> Assume you have a recent backup of the machine.
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2814 [18:23:50] <OerHeks> pull the networkcable, then continue investigate
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2818 [18:25:33] <greycat> Make a second backup, then compare the two backups (using a known-clean machine).
2819 [18:25:54] <jhutchins> bhurstpdx1: Probably boot from another medium, preferably something read-only like a DVD.
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2821 [18:26:18] <jhutchins> bhurstpdx1: Assume that you can not trust ANYTHING on the affected system.
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2823 [18:27:01] <jhutchins> bhurstpdx1: This includes intrusion detection/protection software like tripwire.
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2825 [18:27:50] <jhutchins> bhurstpdx1: You need to do a tripwire scan from an external OS, with an external copy of tripwire and an external database.
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2827 [18:29:54] <seoner> i need to verify my google account. can somebody receive a sms for me? /msg me
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2833 [18:30:18] <bhurstpdx1> thanks all!
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2880 [18:56:02] <jelly> seoner: that's not a Debian issue at all, why not ask someone you know? Also probably not many people willing to give their phone number to a complete stranger.
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2892 [19:00:12] <`Kevin> saturos: there are also free sms services online (from a quick google...)
2893 [19:00:18] <`Kevin> seoner: *
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2897 [19:01:08] <seoner> `Kevin: that numbers are already used
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2903 [19:04:13] <seoner> who can create a google account for me? /msg me
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2909 [19:05:18] <SpacyTime> Hey there. I have a problem with MySQL/dbconfig-mysql. Recently I moved all the MySQL data from a server to another, and when trying to install packages that require dbconfig-mysql (such as roundcube, phpmyadmin etc.), it says that fails to login to "debian-sysv-admin" or something like that, I don't remember exactly. I deleted the user, hoping it'd recreate and work now, and still I have the error that fails
2910 [19:05:18] <SpacyTime> to login. What can I do?
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2926 [19:09:36] <`Kevin> SpacyTime: check /etc/mysql/debian.cnf is the user defined there with a password?
2927 [19:10:20] <`Kevin> `the same username you are referring to`
2928 [19:10:22] <SpacyTime> Oh yes, there is one
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2930 [19:10:35] <`Kevin> SpacyTime: ok so if that login doesnt work you need to re-add the grant
2931 [19:10:39] <SpacyTime> debian-sys-maint, that's the one I meant
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2933 [19:11:15] <SpacyTime> `Kevin: but ooh, I didn't knew it was there that, I'll recreate user with same data then
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2935 [19:12:23] <`Kevin> GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'PASSWORDfromCNFfile' .......
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2937 [19:12:39] <`Kevin> just change the password based on the cnf entry ^
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2939 [19:13:10] <`Kevin> run flush privileges; then you should be set
2940 [19:13:30] <cdb23ax> hello i have a problem with cpu scaling in debian. if i issue following command grep -E '^model name|^cpu MHz' /proc/cpuinfo it says replaced-url
2941 [19:14:57] <cdb23ax> not all of my cores are running with 3ghz but i turned off cpu scaling: for CPUFREQ in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor; do [ -f $CPUFREQ ] || continue; echo -n performance > $CPUFREQ; done
2942 [19:16:04] <SpacyTime> `Kevin: "mysql said: ERROR 1044 (42000) at line 1: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' to database 'postfixadmin' ." it says now
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2944 [19:16:52] <`Kevin> SpacyTime: login as that user, mysql -udebian-sys-maint -p, when prompted for the password try the one from the cnf
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2946 [19:17:10] <`Kevin> if that works try "use postfixadmin;"
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2949 [19:18:20] <`Kevin> if you cannot get into postfixadmin, what does "show grants;" return (pastebin this)
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2953 [19:20:29] <SpacyTime> `Kevin: ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'postfixadmin'
2954 [19:20:41] <`Kevin> what happens if you do
2955 [19:20:47] <`Kevin> " create database 'postfixadmin'; "
2956 [19:20:55] <`Kevin> " create database postfixadmin; "
2957 [19:20:56] <`Kevin> rather
2958 [19:21:15] <SpacyTime> Query OK, 1 row affected (0.02 sec)
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2960 [19:21:49] <`Kevin> perhaps the installation script didnt create the db OR the privileges were not reloaded yet
2961 [19:21:53] <`Kevin> retry the package
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2963 [19:23:20] <SpacyTime> `Kevin: nope
2964 [19:23:44] <`Kevin> same error?
2965 [19:24:01] <SpacyTime> yep
2966 [19:24:26] <`Kevin> doesnt make sense :P can you relogin to mysql as debian-sys-maint and pastebin the output from " show grants; "
2967 [19:24:40] <SpacyTime> okay, sec
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2974 [19:24:55] <lurkashflake> o/
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2977 [19:25:30] <lurkashflake> I have installed debian armhf into my celphone problem is I get PERM ROOT: setresuid Permission denied when I try to sudo
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2979 [19:25:57] <lurkashflake> So basicaly I cannot apt-get update or do anything decent with it, which bring me to ask that weird question: How do I escalate my privilege?
2980 [19:26:12] <lurkashflake> Like as in Hack debian heh
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2984 [19:27:18] <SpacyTime> `Kevin: replaced-url
2985 [19:27:20] <flugger> are you using sudo ?
2986 [19:27:26] <lurkashflake> yes
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2989 [19:27:46] <lurkashflake> sudo su wasn't possible
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2993 [19:29:16] <lurkashflake> passwd root, you may not view or modify password information for root :(
2994 [19:29:32] <`Kevin> SpacyTime: looks correct to me, verify that the debian cnf file is pointing to localhost+socket is defined/correct... other than that i would likely do an strace to see where its breaking but im going afk for lunch ~40 mins
2995 [19:29:43] <`Kevin> SpacyTime: if you still need help later i will be around
2996 [19:30:39] <`Kevin> SpacyTime: alternatively you can dig through the pkg preinstall/postinstall scripts in >> /var/lib/dpkg/info
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2999 [19:30:48] <lurkashflake> I had a problem with unable to find session for pid: 14254 or something can it be related?
3000 [19:30:57] <lurkashflake> an error message
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3002 [19:31:22] <SpacyTime> `Kevin: socket is defined correctly, but okay, I'll look on what to do. thanks anyways! I'll highlight yiou later if needed
3003 [19:31:24] <SpacyTime> you*
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3006 [19:32:30] <bigterd> any reason why debians testdisk/photorec 6.x version detects more recovered files then the one i just built from the latest sources?
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3025 [19:36:43] <brontosaurusrex> in newsbeuter; how do I say open link > 9 (for example link 22)?
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3029 [19:37:47] <lurkashflake> Is there a default root password I could try for the command "su" ?
3030 [19:38:16] <lurkashflake> tryed admin, root and toor :(
3031 [19:38:30] <th0r> lurkashflake, just the password you defined at install
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3034 [19:39:10] <han-solo> lurkashflake: sudo passwd root
3035 [19:39:41] <lurkashflake> th0r: That's the problem, I picked no password for root as it was in my phone's option. I only set the user's non-sudoers password.
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3037 [19:40:28] <lurkashflake> han-solo: sudo: PERM ROOT: setresuid(0, -1, -1); Permission denied
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3091 [19:59:36] <spyyder> someone here using awesomewm with debian ?
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3095 [20:00:11] <somiaj> ,popcon awesomewm
3096 [20:00:12] <judd> No package named 'awesomewm' was found.
3097 [20:00:24] <somiaj> ,popcon awesome
3098 [20:00:25] <judd> Popcon data for awesome: inst: 2517, vote: 768, old: 1608, recent: 141, nofiles: 0
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3101 [20:00:46] <somiaj> spyyder: it appears that many people have installed it on their system. (:
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3103 [20:01:36] <spyyder> :o what an usefull command, thank you
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3116 [20:08:12] <bhurstpdx1> anyone know what these permissions mean?: -rwxr-S--x
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3118 [20:08:24] <Iridos> spyyder, the usefulness of the answer often correlates with that of the question
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3120 [20:09:08] <Iridos> sure, S should be "suid bit set, but execute not set"
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3122 [20:09:57] <Iridos> the usefulness of that for anything is a bit doubtful, though
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3124 [20:10:56] <Iridos> mh, guess the owner can still execute it and become member of the group
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3129 [20:14:21] <Iridos> but for what reasons members of the group, who're in the group anyway shouldn't execute it, is beyond me
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3131 [20:14:41] <somiaj> bhurstpdx1: replaced-url
3132 [20:14:57] <Iridos> it's not a directory, it's a file
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3134 [20:15:15] <somiaj> oh missed that
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3136 [20:15:53] <Iridos> -rwxr-S--x not drwxr-S--x
3137 [20:16:09] <greycat> "setgid without execute" is usually a user error, so the program is trying to help you by pointing out that "Hey, this is probably not what you wanted."
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3139 [20:16:33] <srinu> which is better debian / ubuntu / mint
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3141 [20:17:01] <smw> srinu, for what?
3142 [20:17:17] <srinu> for user friendly and for home use
3143 [20:17:27] <somiaj> srinu: depends on your prefrences.
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3146 [20:17:56] <Iridos> dpkg, best
3147 [20:17:56] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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3150 [20:18:34] <srinu> my preferences are multimedia, web chat, libreoffice use, and other regular computer use
3151 [20:18:43] <smw> srinu, depends on your preferences. I find ubuntu/mint more friendly simply because it has packages installed by default that debian doesn't. Mint if you want a gnome2 like experience (mate) and ubuntu if you want unity or gnome-shell (gnome-shell not installed by default)
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3157 [20:19:39] <somiaj> srinu: all three you listed will provide that. They do have different policies about what is a release, upgrades, making non-free software default, etc. I would pick the one you like best. Note you also choose your support community with your choice, we here only support debian.
3158 [20:19:40] <smw> srinu, I run debian as my laptop OS right now. I ran to debian with ubuntu went "convergence" crazy and broke stuff. I think ubuntu recovered from that
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3160 [20:20:01] <Vonor> hi. trying to install cairo-dock on stretch. it's not in the official repos for stretch, so i use the repo from the developers. however, there are some libraries needed by cairo-dock-plug-ins which are not in stretch either. like libvte-2.90.0 or libical1a
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3162 [20:21:15] <srinu> what about mint debian edition
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3164 [20:21:31] <somiaj> Vonor: if the repo you are using is not designed for streetch or doens't supply the missing repos, you may want to compile the software from source.
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3167 [20:22:08] <somiaj> srinu: it is closer to debian than ubuntu, but still is not debian, as mint has made some decisions about the software avaiable/choices/configs. Many like it, but choice is yours.
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3170 [20:22:23] <Vonor> somiaj, apparently they offer a repo for stable, testing, unstable. i went for testing, obviously
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3173 [20:22:43] <somiaj> Vonor: testing is a moving target, if they don't update their repo as testing changes it could get out of date (maybe that is the issue)
3174 [20:22:55] <somiaj> Vonor: any issue with their packages you should report to them.
3175 [20:23:02] <lurkashflake> do you guys know repo for package like ettercap? I am a former arch strike user.
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3177 [20:23:26] <smw> srinu, how much work do you want to put into this? How strong are your opinions? If you don't care, ubuntu is an excellent default.
3178 [20:23:29] <somiaj> lurkashflake: apt-cache search ettercap, I'm seeing it in debian.
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3181 [20:23:36] <srinu> currently i am using gentoo based linux is switching to debian / debian based linux is a wise idea ?
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3184 [20:24:11] <lurkashflake> srinu: debian is easyer to use but if you've mastered gentoo, you probably won't get faster computing
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3186 [20:24:24] <lurkashflake> can we set flag in debian?
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3188 [20:24:42] <somiaj> srinu: debian stable won't have nearly as 'bleeding edge' software as gentoo will, but everything is known to work well together. That to me will be the biggest thing you might run into (The rest is just getting use to how debian manages things)
3189 [20:24:43] <greycat> You mean global compiler options. No. Debian doesn't work that way.
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3197 [20:25:52] <somiaj> lurkashflake: at one time debian provided some optimized libc libaries, unsure about that any more as debians defaults aren't i386 compadable anymore. I think they are compiled for i586 now. (or i686 I can't seem to recall)
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3201 [20:26:18] <Vonor> gentoo is a great distro. however, i switched to opensuse for my work pc and debian for my home pc because i am tired of building building building and instead just want to use use use :)
3202 [20:26:40] <lurkashflake> Vonor: what do you think of arch linux?
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3204 [20:27:05] <pingfloyd> after awhile you get sick of micro managing things
3205 [20:27:16] <lurkashflake> hmm
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3208 [20:27:27] <Vonor> only used arch on an old imac like 10 years ago. so can't really speak about arch.
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3212 [20:28:42] <lurkashflake> I still can't sudo.... PERM_ROOT: setresuid(0, -1, -1): Permission denied
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3214 [20:28:54] <lurkashflake> It is running inside my celphone in a container
3215 [20:29:04] <lurkashflake> Is it possible to chroot in that?
3216 [20:29:07] <Vonor> lurkashflake, try su - instead :)
3217 [20:29:24] <lurkashflake> Vonor: I never chose the passwd :(
3218 [20:29:30] <pingfloyd> lurkashflake: is the user in the sudo group?
3219 [20:29:32] <lurkashflake> the installer didn't asked
3220 [20:30:17] <lurkashflake> pingfloyd: How can I know? I cannot cat /etc/sudoers.
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3222 [20:30:26] <pingfloyd> groups
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3224 [20:30:31] <pingfloyd> or id
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3229 [20:31:28] <pingfloyd> yeah, you shouldn't be able to cat /etc/sudoers as regular user
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3231 [20:31:52] <lurkashflake> I've grep sudo to those command and it doesn't output sudo
3232 [20:32:43] <pingfloyd> just type: groups
3233 [20:32:55] <Igel> hello
3234 [20:33:08] <jelly> lurkashflake: android is weird, don't expect 100% functionality and issues with setuid apps like sudo may just be a consequence of that
3235 [20:33:13] <pingfloyd> not the only way, but usually to get sudo your user needs to be in sudo group (with the default configuration).
3236 [20:33:42] <lurkashflake> jelly: there must be a way
3237 [20:33:56] <pingfloyd> the groups command without args, should list the groups the current user is a member of
3238 [20:34:04] <jelly> lurkashflake: yes, ask the people who made the installer you used
3239 [20:34:07] <lurkashflake> pingfloyd: i see 60 groups
3240 [20:34:20] <Igel> i have a debian amd64 jessie running.. its very stable, but i need to support wine32 -- is it OK to run dpkg --add-architecture i386 and then install wine (the 32bit version?) I see that when i do apt-get install -ys wine.. it wants to install (from 32bit) a bunch+ of stuff eg; libstdc++ .. do these things clash?? does it get separated in /lib and /lib64 ??
3241 [20:34:24] <greycat> pingfloyd: technically, the current process. Which is important if you've changed /etc/groups but haven't logged back in yet.
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3243 [20:34:39] <pingfloyd> lurkashflake: is one of them the sudo group?
3244 [20:34:46] <lurkashflake> no
3245 [20:34:56] <pingfloyd> you should probably fix that first then
3246 [20:35:03] <mert> @Igel try installing multiarch-support
3247 [20:35:09] <Igel> ok mert
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3250 [20:35:16] <lurkashflake> I cannot log in as root, how may it be possible?
3251 [20:35:17] <pingfloyd> the default /etc/sudoers requires user being in that group to use sudo
3252 [20:35:24] <jelly> Igel: that's the only way to install a 32bit wine, and :i386 and :amd64 libraries from debian are designed not to clash
3253 [20:35:32] <lurkashflake> I do not know default root password...
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3255 [20:36:04] <Igel> shoot.. already the newest version
3256 [20:36:06] <Igel> it may be the case
3257 [20:36:10] <pingfloyd> lurkashflake: that's a conundrum, so you'll have to somehow get root access. You may need to hack it on boot since you don't know root's password.
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3259 [20:36:31] <Vonor> somiaj, would you see a reason why libical1a got removed in testing?
3260 [20:36:44] <greycat> Maybe the testing support channel would know!
3261 [20:36:56] <lurkashflake> pingfloyd: it's inside a container do you have a clue? (Termux, the android terminal emulator, doesn't have chroot command)
3262 [20:37:10] <pingfloyd> lurkashflake: not sure in your situation, but here's one way replaced-url
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3265 [20:37:44] <`Kevin> lurkashflake: docker or lxc
3266 [20:38:24] <jelly> mert: "multiarch-support" package is obsolete on debian 8
3267 [20:38:26] <somiaj> Vonor: replaced-url
3268 [20:38:26] <lurkashflake> Kevin: busybox
3269 [20:38:28] <Igel> k
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3271 [20:38:52] <`Kevin> lurkashflake: what are you using to run the container? you said container :)
3272 [20:39:05] <Vonor> lurkashflake, you got root outside the container? the fs of the container is mounted? edit the file sudoers file from outside the container then :)
3273 [20:39:15] <somiaj> Vonor: so the testing repo is outdated as the software needs to be compiled against the newer libical 2.0.0 libs.
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3276 [20:39:41] <lurkashflake> Vonor: you gave me an idea, right now it is installed as an img file but if I install it as a directory I could edit the files!
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3279 [20:40:18] <Igel> thanks so much it works!
3280 [20:40:22] <holdie> Hi guys, on a 80Gb hdd, with separate /home directory, how much space should I dedicate to my / for a typical Debian installation?
3281 [20:41:03] <Vonor> lurkashflake, just mount the image
3282 [20:41:20] <Vonor> somiaj, replaced-url
3283 [20:41:39] <mert> @jelly @Igel ok
3284 [20:42:04] <jelly> holdie: 20G will be enough for a couple years of cruft and a couple large desktop environments or whatever you want to install
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3290 [20:42:47] <Iridos> jelly, I just thought 20G will be enough initially… you need 50G for cruft
3291 [20:42:50] <pingfloyd> it's easy to just allocate the minimal with lvm and grow the LVs as needed
3292 [20:44:07] <Vonor> although, looking at the source repo they still commit to it. so lack of man power for debian support or laziness.
3293 [20:44:24] <holdie> jelly: thanks
3294 [20:45:49] <pingfloyd> holdie: it really depends on what you end up doing. Even without LVM, you can resize partitions and FSes offline (in most cases).
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3299 [20:47:09] <holdie> pingfloyd: just out of cruriosity, what tool would I use to resize offline?
3300 [20:47:16] <pingfloyd> if having to take the system offline for that is of concern, then you probably should consider using LVM and start off with LVs just a little bigger than what you'll need at first. Then expand them and their FSes as needed.
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3302 [20:47:22] <aivkiv> what is better than VNC for LAN connection? I have gigabit connection and HP G9 to spare for that
3303 [20:47:45] <pingfloyd> holdie: you can pretty much use any, but gparted is has more safety.
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3306 [20:48:01] <jelly> Iridos: dunno, I haven't managed to gain more than 20G for / during the last 16 years
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3308 [20:48:13] <pingfloyd> holdie: like you can resize partitions in even fdisk, but you have to be more careful to make sure you know what you're doing.
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3311 [20:48:29] <jelly> Iridos: and I got rid of some libc5 bits just last year
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3313 [20:48:48] <pingfloyd> fdisk will gladly let you do it in a way that results in data loss.
3314 [20:48:49] <jelly> aivkiv: what's a HP G9
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3318 [20:49:31] <pingfloyd> growing is relatively easy either way though
3319 [20:50:01] <lurkashflake> 1|root@heroltebmc:/ # mkdir -p /mnt/test
3320 [20:50:01] <lurkashflake> root@heroltebmc:/ # mount -o loop /storage/emulated/0/linux.img /mnt/test
3321 [20:50:02] <lurkashflake> Usage: mount [-r] [-w] [-o options] [-t type] device directory
3322 [20:50:16] <jelly> if they _plan_ on resizing, learning and using LVM would be a good idea instead of putting filesystems on partitions
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3324 [20:50:43] <lurkashflake> Mounting is hard under android xD why did they fork the linux kernel anyway... this is shit I got 4GB of ram I don't need optimized software I want linux</rant>
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3326 [20:50:51] <pingfloyd> holdie: anymore, I always use lvm as my own standard (It has too many benefit beside just online resizing).
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3329 [20:51:22] <jelly> lurkashflake: I suggested buying a system that can actually run linux without fuss, not an android thing
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3331 [20:51:36] <jelly> suggest*
3332 [20:51:41] <pingfloyd> it's an extra set of utils to learn, but it's worth it in the flexibility it brings in managing your storage.
3333 [20:51:55] <lurkashflake> jelly: that I can use as a cellphone? Idk if they would have good stats on the market
3334 [20:52:04] <holdie> pingfloyd: I should study how to use it... but I have this 80Gb disk that I got for less than £3, and a Thinkpad T420, so I wanted to try debian on it
3335 [20:52:13] <jelly> lurkashflake: no, use a cellphone as a cellphone
3336 [20:52:18] <lurkashflake> :'(
3337 [20:52:19] <aivkiv> jelly, 9gen HP server.
3338 [20:52:27] <pingfloyd> holdie: 80G should be more than enough for debian, it's /home that is where you may outgrow it
3339 [20:52:28] <aivkiv> DL180 to be precise.
3340 [20:52:51] <jelly> so a hp proliant DL180 g9
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3343 [20:53:06] <pingfloyd> holdie: the system itself isn't really that big
3344 [20:53:09] <somiaj> Vonor: testing is a hard release to support, since it is a moving target. It maybe they will generate new stable repo once testing is releazed or at least frozen. But you'll have to ask them. I would just try to compile from source.
3345 [20:53:18] <jelly> they do have non-intel and non-proliant and proliants but not dl.
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3347 [20:53:56] <aivkiv> jelly, Yes. Intel based brand new DL180 proliant.
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3349 [20:54:20] <pingfloyd> holdie: for example my / is 7G at 1685 packages installed
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3351 [20:54:36] <jelly> aivkiv: what do you use a GUI for on a server?
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3356 [20:55:09] <holdie> pingfloyd: do you have a DE installed?
3357 [20:55:17] <pingfloyd> holdie: /home is at 116G
3358 [20:55:22] <pingfloyd> holdie: yeah, I use xfce4
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3360 [20:57:30] <jelly> aivkiv: common practice is using ssh for remote access in management of a small number of servers
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3364 [20:58:24] <pingfloyd> holdie: if you use lvm, it's a good idea to leave some free PEs because then you can use snapshots
3365 [20:58:25] <aivkiv> jelly, idea is to use it as workstation computer. we have more servers to use as... real servers :D
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3368 [20:59:16] <aivkiv> jelly, if it would not be the noise, the best solution would be actually having keyboard and monitor connected directly to the server and sitting next to it.
3369 [20:59:21] <pingfloyd> also if one of your LVs starts to get full, it's pretty trivial to make them bigger, especially if you're using an FS that supports fsadm
3370 [20:59:58] <pingfloyd> if your FS choice supports fsadm you can resize both the LV and filesystem in one command (e.g., lvresize -r ...)
3371 [21:00:34] <holdie> pingfloyd: thanks
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3374 [21:01:06] <lurkashflake> jelly: there is ubuntu phone I could get probably
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3376 [21:01:27] <pingfloyd> holdie: no problem
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3380 [21:02:20] <pingfloyd> holdie: if you go the LVM route, you still want to make the partition that contains the PV as large as you can
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3387 [21:05:30] <holdie> pingfloyd: I think I'll try first with normal partitions, and in the future I'll try lvm
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3393 [21:06:58] <pingfloyd> holdie: if you format the FSes directly to partitions, you'll want to make sure that they're unmounted if you ever need to resize them
3394 [21:07:26] <holdie> pingfloyd: ok
3395 [21:07:27] <pingfloyd> holdie: usually the easiest option for that is to boot off a liveCD
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3397 [21:08:10] <pingfloyd> though that isn't necessary if you can actually unmount the FS (i.e., make it so it's not busy) on the partition you want to resize
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3407 [21:11:27] <pingfloyd> holdie: if downtime of the system doesn't matter, then LVM is more of a luxury. Having LVM snapshots available is still pretty nice though regardless for testing out scenarios that may alter data on metal.
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3409 [21:12:30] <pingfloyd> and also for ensuring consistency when you backup the system
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3414 [21:14:53] <pingfloyd> for example my backup script, which uses rsync, will create a snapshot, backup from that, and then discard the snapshot. Doing it this way means there's no possibility for the data to be backed up in an inconsistent state.
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3416 [21:15:29] <greycat> I have a backup script that does that. It's cool.
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3418 [21:16:20] <pingfloyd> greycat: yeah, it's extra peace of mind knowing that my backup will be in the exact state at the moment in time when the snapshot was created.
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3455 [21:40:42] <leba2> By chance, does anyone know about a good and not so heavy software for web page designing?
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3459 [21:42:28] <greycat> vim
3460 [21:43:03] <babilen> leba2: Look into replaced-url
3461 [21:43:17] <babilen> Paired with emacs + evil and you are golden :)
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3480 [21:58:57] <pingfloyd> leba2: you're wanting a wysiwyg tool for that?
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3482 [21:59:39] <jhutchins> KDE used to have a pretty good web development suite, but that was 3.5.
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3493 [22:03:57] <leba2> greycat: VIM for web designing?
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3497 [22:04:31] <leba2> I was thinking about frontpage and openelement, but both are windows only...
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3499 [22:05:47] <pingfloyd> technically any text editor should work, but if you're looking for something that is a wysiwyg design tool, that's a different story
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3505 [22:06:49] <roger`> hi, wondering why do i have a tun0 interface in ifconfig, it appeared when i migrated my nas to a new machine
3506 [22:07:01] <pingfloyd> the way a professional usually designs a site, is they start by creating mockups of pages and then the coding begins.
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3509 [22:09:08] <leba2> Sorry, I don't even know what "wysiwyg" means...
3510 [22:09:17] <pingfloyd> what you see is what you get
3511 [22:09:28] <leba2> Aahh.
3512 [22:09:31] <cra1g321> roger` tun0 is related to openvpn
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3514 [22:09:46] <pingfloyd> the problem with wysiwyg editors is they're always limited
3515 [22:09:49] <roger`> oh, i have an openvpn server on that machine
3516 [22:09:51] <roger`> good to kno
3517 [22:09:58] <roger`> i was getting paranoid ^^
3518 [22:09:58] <cra1g321> :)
3519 [22:10:11] <pingfloyd> it makes more sense to first design the UI, then making your code that supports it.
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3524 [22:11:02] <leba2> Well, right now I don't need too much, but indeed I need more than the online html-editor, because it doesn't even have basic word features like changing paragraph space, font size, etc.
3525 [22:11:13] <roger`> thanks for this, also my rtorrent seems to be stuck when i run it, since i migrated to new hardware. maybe i should recompile it
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3528 [22:11:58] <leba2> This one replaced-url
3529 [22:12:21] <roger`> that new server only pumps 23W, the old server was gulping 135 :D
3530 [22:12:23] <leba2> Either total crap or it's supposed to be handled almost exclusively with html code
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3532 [22:12:56] <leba2> pingfloyd: ^
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3535 [22:14:06] <roger`> basic html is easy
3536 [22:14:39] <roger`> do it by hand, then get into css
3537 [22:14:39] <pingfloyd> leba2: he often uses a large assortment of tools, and it really depends on how well they facilitate his design.
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3539 [22:15:27] <roger`> makes me think i have to get into bootstrap
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3545 [22:17:33] <leba2> Ok, thanks.
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3594 [22:38:43] <Olof_szary> Hello all. I've just updated debian and my X'es are dead. No idea why and how
3595 [22:39:30] <Walex> Olof_szary: look at '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' typically
3596 [22:39:56] <Iridos> what version of debian is that?
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3598 [22:40:05] <Walex> Olof_szary: or 'dpkg-recoconfigure' the X server package
3599 [22:40:37] <Olof_szary> Walex: I apt-get purged it and reinstalled
3600 [22:40:41] <towo`> absolotely useless
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3602 [22:41:00] <towo`> and again, privide the x-log
3603 [22:41:05] <towo`> *provide
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3605 [22:42:06] <Olof_szary> xorg log says nothing except that the server is terminating successfully, the sddm had some segmentatnion fault, lightdm is doing nothing, I've tried to nvidia-xconfigure new /etc/X11/xorg.conf file but it does not seems to work
3606 [22:42:28] <Olof_szary> Were there big changes in last 3 years how xorg is behaving?
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3609 [22:42:50] <Olof_szary> say, it is not using xorg.conf anymore or something?
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3612 [22:43:43] <pingfloyd> why don't you pastebin the log
3613 [22:44:11] <Olof_szary> replaced-url
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3638 [22:53:33] <Olof_szary> It seems like it is not detecting any monitor
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3644 [22:56:12] <pingfloyd> what is the symptom?
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3646 [22:57:05] <pingfloyd> also can you paste the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA
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3650 [22:57:50] <Olof_szary> pingfloyd: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF119M [NVS 4200M]
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3653 [22:58:34] <Olof_szary> the symptoms: the screen is not working, or it seems that it is not working. This is a laptop in docking station (lid closed)
3654 [22:58:47] <pingfloyd> need the device ID. did you use the -nn arg?
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3656 [22:59:33] <Olof_szary> There are 2 monitors connected: DVI and VGA. before the unfortunate update everything was working
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3659 [22:59:36] <Olof_szary> [10de:1056] (rev a1)
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3665 [23:00:52] <pingfloyd> what about when it is undocked and using the laptop's screen?
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3667 [23:01:25] <pingfloyd> and by not working, do mean the screen stays black and seems to just sit there?
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3669 [23:01:55] <Olof_szary> pingfloyd: I was trying it before, not docked, and it was the same: black screen
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3672 [23:02:11] <Olof_szary> hold on, I will reboot system to check one more thing
3673 [23:02:29] <jhutchins> ,pciid 10de:1056
3674 [23:02:31] <judd> [10de:1056] is 'GF119M [NVS 4200M]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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3677 [23:02:59] <jhutchins> Olof_szary: Did you say what you upgraded from and to?
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3681 [23:03:45] <olof_szary_win> kernel as well, so maybe that is the issue
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3688 [23:05:39] <pingfloyd> olof_szary_win: still need more info. Which package version of nvidia-driver are you using?
3689 [23:05:58] <pingfloyd> also as jhutchins mentioned, upgrade from which release to which release.
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3691 [23:07:15] <olof_szary_win> I am still sitting on stretch. I had like 900 packeges to update, last update like 2m ago
3692 [23:07:47] <olof_szary_win> update from kernel 4.3 to 4.6
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3696 [23:08:43] <jhutchins> olof_szary_win: Congratulations! Your testsing has successfully located an issue. Please check to see if a bugreport has been filed, and if not, please open one.
3697 [23:09:21] <pingfloyd> debian-next
3698 [23:09:25] <jhutchins> olof_szary_win: There is a higher concentration of testing users and knowledge on #debian-next on oftc.net.
3699 [23:09:27] <pingfloyd> !debian-next
3700 [23:09:27] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3706 [23:11:26] <olof_szary_win> if you need I may pastebin todays aptitude log
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3712 [23:14:04] <CtrlC> I installed vim on debian jessie and it seems that it doesn't have python support. I remember it had. How can I fix this?
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3714 [23:16:07] <pingfloyd> CtrlC: support in what way? syntax highlighting?
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3716 [23:17:07] <CtrlC> pingfloyd, No. General support. It can be activated at compile time.
3717 [23:17:54] <pingfloyd> CtrlC: can you pastebin output of: dpkg -l "vim*" | grep ^ii
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3724 [23:19:12] <CtrlC> pingfloyd, replaced-url
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3729 [23:19:36] <pingfloyd> it's probably because you have vim-tiny installed
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3731 [23:19:47] <pingfloyd> that's vim compiled with very minimal options
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3733 [23:19:59] <pingfloyd> but you do have the others
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3735 [23:20:08] <pingfloyd> so you might try sudo update-alternatives --config vim
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3737 [23:20:25] <pingfloyd> it may be defaulting to vim-tiny which isn't what you want
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3742 [23:22:19] <CtrlC> pingfloyd, Trying to remove it to see what happens.
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3749 [23:24:35] <CtrlC> pingfloyd, sudo update-alternatives --config vim
3750 [23:24:36] <CtrlC> There is only one alternative in link group vim (providing /usr/bin/vim): /usr/bin/vim.basic
3751 [23:24:36] <CtrlC> Nothing to configure.
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3756 [23:25:30] <pingfloyd> looks like vim-gtk has python support compiled in
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3758 [23:26:49] <CtrlC> pingfloyd, Isn't that GUI?
3759 [23:27:38] <CtrlC> Seems it works now. Thanks. But the question still stands.
3760 [23:27:54] <pingfloyd> that one works outside of X too
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3763 [23:28:08] <CtrlC> Thanks again.
3764 [23:28:18] <pingfloyd> no problem
3765 [23:28:32] <pingfloyd> so installing vim-gtk worked?
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3768 [23:29:04] <jhutchins> I know on some distros vim-python is a separate package.
3769 [23:29:10] <pingfloyd> it's really vim-gui that brings in gvim
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3771 [23:30:26] <CtrlC> pingfloyd, Yes. It solved the problem.
3772 [23:31:14] <jhutchins> Everythin I want vim for is non-gui.
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3774 [23:31:40] <jhutchins> Being text only is one of it's biggest advantages.
3775 [23:31:45] <CtrlC> It is still non-gui
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3777 [23:32:10] <jhutchins> I usually install vim-nox
3778 [23:32:25] <roger`> is there a way to setup a virtual box on my server CLI only and connect to that VM on a windows computer ?
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3780 [23:32:51] <lurkashflake> roger` why not KVM
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3782 [23:33:19] <roger`> if it does what i looking for, i'm down for anything
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3784 [23:33:39] <RobinC> roger`, what guest os?
3785 [23:33:45] <jhutchins> ,v vim-python
3786 [23:33:46] <judd> No package named 'vim-python' was found in amd64.
3787 [23:33:57] <pingfloyd> actually I stand corrected. gvim is in vim-gtk too. But the difference is whether you invoke by vim or gvim. But even invoking gvim from console will revert to CLI vim
3788 [23:34:09] <roger`> RobinC: i want to run windows xp and kali on my debian machine
3789 [23:34:13] <pingfloyd> it will just give an error message about no display and still launch vim regularly
3790 [23:34:22] <roger`> then get the CLI on my windows seven
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3793 [23:34:43] <roger`> hrm, GUI*
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3796 [23:35:13] <pingfloyd> roger`: you can run virtual box headless if you want and then ssh into it
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3798 [23:35:33] <roger`> my current workstation doesnt support vitualization, but my new server does, so I want to play with it ^^
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3800 [23:35:36] <RobinC> getting a bit off topic for #debian, but you can start any VM headless, but as the guest in this case is windows you will need to RDP/remote desktop/teamviewer in etc as windows does not nativly do a ssh server
3801 [23:35:41] <jhutchins> Running a graphical windows installer might be a problem.
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3804 [23:35:57] <roger`> that's what i tought
3805 [23:36:01] <pingfloyd> roger`: of course you can still access it through having its own vbox window as well and if you don't want gui, simple don't install X etc.
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3807 [23:36:21] <kevr> replaced-url
3808 [23:36:29] <kevr> nor can i remove it
3809 [23:36:34] <RobinC> don't do the install on the server, do the install somewhere else and export the VM once set up
3810 [23:36:35] <kevr> this is being executed inside of a chroot
3811 [23:36:36] <roger`> well the point would be to get full access on the client machine
3812 [23:36:48] <roger`> RobinC: yea i was thinking about it
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3814 [23:37:04] <roger`> once its installed i would get full gui access ?
3815 [23:37:14] <RobinC> via RDP or some other remote desktop yes
3816 [23:37:17] <roger`> great
3817 [23:37:19] <kevr> It's completely stopping me from doing anything with aptitude.
3818 [23:37:48] <roger`> ok so the client wouldn't use any kind of virtualbox software
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3822 [23:38:06] <xreal> Can I run "damn small linux" in Debian's chroot ?
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3826 [23:38:20] * roger` have a lot to read ^^
3827 [23:38:29] <roger`> thanks for the lead
3828 [23:39:01] <pingfloyd> roger`: also read up VRDP support with vbox
3829 [23:39:10] <pingfloyd> that may interest you
3830 [23:39:47] <roger`> i will, good to know
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3832 [23:40:34] <pingfloyd> roger`: replaced-url
3833 [23:41:05] <roger`> sweet that's exactly what i want to do
3834 [23:41:40] <pingfloyd> yeah, it's pretty flexible
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3836 [23:42:31] <roger`> gonna have lots of fun with that low power quad core, its only 1.5ghz though, i hope it's gonna run smooth
3837 [23:42:54] <pingfloyd> that's really going to come down to workload
3838 [23:43:02] <roger`> maybe i should just run VM and put two cores on it
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3840 [23:43:24] <roger`> the idea is to have a machine to do pentests with kali and a target VM with XP
3841 [23:43:42] <roger`> just run one* VM
3842 [23:44:01] <pingfloyd> you could even set that up to have both of those as VMs
3843 [23:44:13] <roger`> yes that's the idea ^^
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3855 [23:49:11] <jhutchins> xreal: No, the chroot is still running the parent debian.
3856 [23:49:27] <jhutchins> xreal: It's just running it on a different filesystem.
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3858 [23:49:51] <jhutchins> xreal: To run a different OS or Distribution you need a VM.
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3860 [23:50:38] <xreal> jhutchins: but DSL is debian based.
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3862 [23:50:50] <xreal> jhutchins: Actually, Debian debootstrap minimal is still > 120 MB...
3863 [23:50:55] <xreal> juhop: DSL is 50 MB only.
3864 [23:51:01] <xreal> juhop: sorry ;)
3865 [23:51:25] <jhutchins> !debian based
3866 [23:51:25] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
3867 [23:52:01] <xreal> jhutchins: Actually, I was running gentoo for a long time in a chroot.
3868 [23:52:06] <jhutchins> xreal: It doesn't matter, you are running the Debian kernel that's on the original root filesystem. A chroot does not bootstrap.
3869 [23:52:29] <xreal> jhutchins: I know, but I don't care that it's the Debian kernel :)
3870 [23:52:37] <xreal> jhutchins: I just want a "damn smaller" base for my chroots.
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3872 [23:52:42] <jhutchins> xreal: In which case you were running gentoo from the gentoo kernel on the root file system.
3873 [23:52:53] <xreal> jhutchins: Debian as a kernel, gentoo in the chroot.
3874 [23:52:59] <jhutchins> xreal: Maybe you want to look into docker or something.
3875 [23:53:05] <xreal> jhutchins: Nope, not interested.
3876 [23:53:12] <xreal> But thanks for your hints. I'll keep on trying for myself :)
3877 [23:53:24] <jhutchins> xreal: You were running gentoo binaries on debian.
3878 [23:54:37] <jhutchins> xreal: You can often get away with running different releases of the same distro in a chroot. That can be a good way to work with testing. Install it dual-boot and chroot into it to fix it when it breaks.
3879 [23:54:51] <RobinC> chroots are not fully isolated VMs they provide a little bit of file system isolation, they are not even recommended for security isolation. You always have the original kernel and ofcause proc/sys etc and original kernel modules. you can run some binaries as you have been doing but its not a complete install by any means
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3881 [23:55:22] <xreal> I'm using Debian for 5 years now. Stop telling me basics I'm doing every day :)
3882 [23:56:06] <jhutchins> xreal: You asked a question that indicated a basic misunderstanding of what chroot is and how it works.
3883 [23:56:06] <xreal> brb
3884 [23:56:24] <xreal> jhutchins: okay, I am sorry then. I'm not a native speaker.
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3891 [23:58:41] <mirko1> name _mirko_
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