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• 14[00:06:13] <cantoo> firefox ESR on a clean Jessie 8.5 network install returns the error: your firefox profile could not be loaded. it may be missing or inaccessible. i launch firefox in terminal by simply typing firefox it loads firefox fine i assume not ESR version.
• 15[00:06:56] <cantoo> further if i type firefox-esr in a terminal it launches fine. it i do it from lxde menu it does not launch fine
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• 83[00:31:45] <badgerSqueegee> cantoo: perhaps the shortcut is doing something funny
• 84[00:31:57] <Zzeiss> ... and thanks to all who helped me before. I appreciate it. :)
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• 90[00:33:03] <badgerSqueegee> Zzeiss: greycat
• 91[00:33:32] <Zzeiss> Yes, thanks greycat.
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• 98[00:36:41] <MOZGIII> Hi, are debian apt repos healthy right now?
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• 102[00:38:12] <MOZGIII> I'm getting an error when loading from `deb-src replaced-url
• 103[00:38:26] <MOZGIII> Everything else loads successfully
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• 105[00:38:34] <MOZGIII> Arch is armhf
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• 109[00:40:08] <badgerSqueegee> MOZGIII: whats the error?
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• 112[00:40:57] <MOZGIII> Just aptitude highlighting it red, not much details
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• 115[00:41:18] <badgerSqueegee> try pinging th eurl
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• 118[00:41:36] <badgerSqueegee> i think that's the default redirector
• 119[00:41:41] <gho> hi, anyone know how to fix this error for mariadb after apt upgrade failed: [ERROR] Fatal error: mysql.user table is damaged or in unsupported 3.20 format.
• 120[00:41:42] <MOZGIII> badgerSqueegee, wow, now it works
• 121[00:41:56] <badgerSqueegee> you can specify a manual mirror
• 122[00:42:06] <somiaj> gho: what version of debian are you running?
• 123[00:42:16] <MOZGIII> badgerSqueegee, that war probably some issue with the redirector
• 124[00:42:19] <badgerSqueegee> the redirector just redirects you to an appropriate mirror
• 125[00:42:28] <gho> somiaj, jessie
• 126[00:42:29] <badgerSqueegee> MOZGIII: exactly
• 127[00:42:51] <somiaj> gho: are you using a backported version of mariadb or the version from jessie? It seems odd that you would be an unsupported format.
• 128[00:43:03] <gho> it is all stock
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• 130[00:43:04] <badgerSqueegee> MOZGIII: google for debian mirrors - find one geographically close to you and add it to /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 133[00:43:19] <badgerSqueegee> replace the redirector url
• 134[00:43:29] <badgerSqueegee> if you want a more direct approach
• 135[00:43:32] <somiaj> gho: could your database just be damaged?
• 136[00:43:40] <MOZGIII> badgerSqueegee, is using redirector cool, or should I better set mirror explicitly? I thought using it is a great idea cause it would roundrobin my connections
• 137[00:43:41] <somiaj> gho: do you happen to have backups of your database you could try?
• 138[00:43:49] <gho> somiaj, unfortunately not, no
• 139[00:44:03] <MOZGIII> badgerSqueegee, I see, ok
• 140[00:44:05] <gho> starting it with skip grant tables allows it to start
• 141[00:44:07] <badgerSqueegee> MOZGIII: it does, and it's better, but sometimes it times out - probably overloaded
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• 143[00:44:20] <somiaj> gho: care to put the output of 'apt-cache policy mariadb-server' at paste.debian.net (or just double check that you are indeed installing it from jessie)
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• 145[00:44:35] <MOZGIII> badgerSqueegee, yep, thats what I thought
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• 147[00:45:09] <gho> somiaj, replaced-url
• 148[00:45:34] <teraflops> ah notty
• 149[00:45:34] <MOZGIII> Another question: how would I get build deps for linux from jessie-backports on jessie? It want's to remove all my kernels, which is not a good sign
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• 151[00:45:48] <teraflops> oopps
• 152[00:46:33] <badgerSqueegee> MOZGIII: there will be a package for it - i forget what it's called in debian
• 153[00:46:57] <badgerSqueegee> but you can specify the specific repository to use - this case backports
• 154[00:47:09] <teraflops> MOZGIII: afaik the bot here has a factoid for it
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• 157[00:47:24] <somiaj> gho: maybe the users table wasn't closed correctly. You may have to regenreate/fix any issues with it. I don't know enough abou this to be of much more help than I would belive the error saying something is correupt.
• 158[00:47:40] <MOZGIII> teraflops, what's a factoid?
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• 160[00:47:45] <gho> somiaj, ok thanks anyway
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• 164[00:49:39] <MOZGIII> see replaced-url
• 165[00:49:45] <badgerSqueegee> MOZGIII: a factoid is a fact provided by the bot
• 166[00:49:56] <badgerSqueegee> MOZGIII: apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package"
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• 169[00:50:31] <MOZGIII> badgerSqueegee, oh, I see (about factoid)
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• 171[00:50:34] <badgerSqueegee> build-deps will be the package if i'm not mistaken
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• 173[00:50:48] <MOZGIII> badgerSqueegee, replaced-url
• 174[00:51:00] <MOZGIII> I'm using apt-get build-dep -t jessie-backports linux
• 175[00:51:05] <badgerSqueegee> you can remove old kernels with autoremove
• 176[00:51:07] <teraflops> MOZGIII: as in
• 177[00:51:09] <teraflops> judd: checkbackport weechat --fromrelease sid --torelease jessie
• 178[00:51:10] <judd> Backporting package weechat in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 179[00:51:24] <badgerSqueegee> MOZGIII: or you can explicitly uninstall by package name
• 180[00:51:30] <teraflops> MOZGIII: replaced-url
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• 183[00:52:45] <MOZGIII> teraflops, I need to rebuild linux kernel because I want to enable some modules for my devise (sunxi arm board)
• 184[00:53:23] <teraflops> MOZGIII: ah
• 185[00:53:25] <MOZGIII> badgerSqueegee, for some reason it just proposes to delete both my kernels that are currently installed
• 186[00:53:49] <MOZGIII> I only want to install build deps from correct source
• 187[00:53:58] <teraflops> MOZGIII: I have a couple of bananapi
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• 190[00:54:35] <MOZGIII> teraflops, I have a cubietruck :)
• 191[00:54:38] <teraflops> hmm
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• 193[00:55:19] <MOZGIII> The following packages will be REMOVED:
• 194[00:55:19] <MOZGIII> flash-kernel initramfs-tools linux-image-3.16.0-4-armmp-lpae linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-armmp-lpae linux-image-armmp-lpae systemd
• 195[00:55:19] <MOZGIII> systemd-sysv udev
• 196[00:55:19] * teraflops looks at what kernel is he running
• 197[00:55:41] <MOZGIII> lol, who needs kernels, udev and systemd?
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• 199[00:55:44] <badgerSqueegee> MOZGIII: yes, which is what you're trying to do. build the new kernel and uninstall the old ones
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• 201[00:55:49] <teraflops> hehe
• 202[00:55:49] <rsync> hehehe
• 203[00:55:53] <teraflops> oh 4.6.3-sunxi
• 204[00:55:56] <badgerSqueegee> build and install the new one first, boot it, and make sure it works
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• 209[00:56:51] <MOZGIII> root@cubietruck2:~# uname -a
• 210[00:56:51] <MOZGIII> Linux cubietruck2 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-armmp-lpae #1 SMP Debian 4.6.4-1~bpo8+1 (2016-08-11) armv7l GNU/Linux
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• 212[00:57:25] <teraflops> which modules do you need?
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• 214[00:57:48] <teraflops> MOZGIII: ^
• 215[00:57:55] <MOZGIII> badgerSqueegee, well, I was going to build it first, then package and install, but I need build deps to build it, right? And that's what build-deps does
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• 218[00:58:10] <MOZGIII> teraflops, nand support
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• 222[00:58:27] <MOZGIII> teraflops, It may not be a module, maybe it's just an option or sth
• 223[00:58:40] <badgerSqueegee> MOZGIII: so install then then..
• 224[00:58:45] <badgerSqueegee> them*
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• 226[00:59:52] <MOZGIII> badgerSqueegee, I though the proper command to install build deps for kernel is `apt-get build-dep -t jessie-backports linux`
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• 229[01:00:25] <badgerSqueegee> MOZGIII: might be, looks right, i don't use debian all that often
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• 233[01:01:11] <badgerSqueegee> actually that's a lie, i use it everyday
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• 236[01:01:30] <MOZGIII> badgerSqueegee, oh, well then :) the strange thing is how dependencies are resolved
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• 238[01:03:10] <teraflops> MOZGIII: hmm that shit? replaced-url
• 239[01:04:22] <MOZGIII> teraflops, pretty much, by option for me should be SOMETHING_SUNXI_NAND afaik
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• 241[01:04:57] <teraflops> MOZGIII: what about replaced-url
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• 244[01:06:10] <MOZGIII> teraflops, I can tell you, but I know for sure that it is just not set in debian builds :) Really wanna see it?
• 245[01:06:26] <teraflops> MOZGIII: oh wait i beleve you
• 246[01:06:30] <teraflops> ;)
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• 249[01:07:04] <teraflops> MOZGIII: I use customs kernels for the bananapi because btrfs
• 250[01:07:18] <MOZGIII> teraflops, lol, this kernel even has /proc/config.gz off
• 251[01:07:25] <teraflops> ^
• 252[01:07:46] <teraflops> is it debian as in debian debian?
• 253[01:07:57] <MOZGIII> teraflops, it is worth it?
• 254[01:08:01] <teraflops> yeah
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• 256[01:08:11] <MOZGIII> teraflops, what do you mean?
• 257[01:08:20] <teraflops> debian not a derivative
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• 259[01:08:33] <MOZGIII> teraflops, it's pure jessie installed with netboot
• 260[01:08:47] <teraflops> ah nice
• 261[01:09:09] <MOZGIII> with backports enabled though
• 262[01:09:55] <teraflops> I have enabled backports too, weechat in jessie is …
• 263[01:10:01] <badgerSqueegee> ^
• 264[01:10:05] <badgerSqueegee> 0.1a?
• 265[01:10:16] <teraflops> ssl is broken
• 266[01:10:37] <badgerSqueegee> uhh, in general?
• 267[01:10:47] <teraflops> no no weechat
• 268[01:10:50] <teraflops> well heh
• 269[01:11:02] * teraflops avoids the flame
• 270[01:11:09] <badgerSqueegee> what does it use by default?
• 271[01:11:33] <teraflops> jessies has 1.0.1-1 bpo is 1.5-1~bpo8+1
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• 273[01:11:41] <badgerSqueegee> i mean ssl version
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• 275[01:12:48] <teraflops> 1.0.1t-1+deb8u2
• 276[01:13:01] <teraflops> bpo is 1.0.2h-1~bpo8+2
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• 278[01:13:27] <badgerSqueegee> you're talking about TLS here?
• 279[01:13:44] <tacocat> the version of openssl
• 280[01:14:19] <tacocat> though... i think weechat builds with gnutls?
• 281[01:14:53] <teraflops> badgerSqueegee: regarding weechat: yes
• 282[01:16:26] <badgerSqueegee> teraflops: i meant the session - what TLS version does weechat 1.0 use?
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• 284[01:16:45] <teraflops> idk i switched to bpo
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• 286[01:17:14] <teraflops> I wasnt unable to do sasl or ssl yi
• 287[01:17:17] <teraflops> oops
• 288[01:17:36] <teraflops> I wasnt unable to do sasl or ssl till I swicthed to bpo
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• 301[01:20:13] <teraflops> tacocat: yeah weechat does gnutls
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• 309[01:25:24] <MOZGIII> I'm moving to testing, tired of this backports stuff
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• 312[01:26:52] <badgerSqueegee> ehh
• 313[01:27:07] <jmcnaught> MOZGIII: do you need build-deps from backports to compile newer kernels on jessie?
• 314[01:27:16] <badgerSqueegee> that will pull updates from testing I hope you know
• 315[01:27:28] <iflema> MOZGIII: you may find yourself temporarily forward porting stuff
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• 318[01:28:05] <MOZGIII> jmcnaught, just the same that is already in backports
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• 320[01:28:43] <MOZGIII> build-dep removes my system :( replaced-url
• 321[01:29:02] <jmcnaught> MOZGIII: so compiling newer kernels in jessie is failing somehow without those packages from backports?
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• 323[01:30:02] <MOZGIII> jmcnaught, I'm using a kernel from backports, and I want to recompile it and then install, but build-dep would ruin my system right away it seems
• 324[01:30:32] <jmcnaught> MOZGIII: did you try to compile the kernel using what's provided by "apt-get build-dep linux" ?
• 325[01:30:49] <MOZGIII> jmcnaught, I haven't tried compiling yet though
• 326[01:30:50] <jmcnaught> MOZGIII: in other words, why do you need to target jessie-backports for the build-dep command?
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• 328[01:31:10] <jmcnaught> seems like trying this first would be a more reasonable step than going to stretch
• 329[01:31:20] <jmcnaught> !kernel handbook
• 330[01:31:21] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
• 331[01:31:26] <badgerSqueegee> i'd assume a more recent kernel?
• 332[01:31:28] <jmcnaught> MOZGIII: you may also be interested in ^^
• 333[01:31:36] <MOZGIII> jmcnaught, oh, "apt-get build-dep linux" just fails because it's unable to resolve dependencies
• 334[01:32:00] <MOZGIII> jmcnaught, I'm reading it :)
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• 337[01:32:31] <MOZGIII> Oh, wow
• 338[01:33:01] <MOZGIII> jmcnaught, it was failing to resolve kernel-wedge package
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• 341[01:33:33] <MOZGIII> jmcnaught, I installed it manually from backports, and now it seems to work
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• 350[01:35:33] <MOZGIII> judd: checkbackport u-boot --fromrelease testing --torelease stable --arch armhf
• 351[01:35:35] <judd> Backporting package u-boot in stretch→jessie/armhf: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: u-boot-tools (>= 2015.10) [armhf] <cross>.
• 352[01:35:52] <MOZGIII> judd: checkbackport u-boot-tools --fromrelease testing --torelease stable --arch armhf
• 353[01:35:52] <judd> Backporting package u-boot-tools in stretch→jessie/armhf: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: u-boot-tools (>= 2015.10) [armhf] <cross>.
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• 357[01:36:22] <MOZGIII> judd: checkbackport u-boot-tools --fromrelease testing --torelease stable --arch armhf --verbose
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• 359[01:36:23] <judd> Backporting package u-boot-tools in stretch→jessie/armhf: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: u-boot-tools (>= 2015.10) [armhf] <cross>.
• 360[01:36:51] <MOZGIII> I'm confused with judd now :(
• 361[01:36:55] <teraflops> heh
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• 365[01:38:44] <themill> hmm... build profiles :S
• 366[01:39:49] <MOZGIII> How does that work?
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• 368[01:40:21] <MOZGIII> judd: checkbackport u-boot-tools --fromrelease sid --torelease stable --arch armhf --verbose
• 369[01:40:22] <judd> Backporting package u-boot-tools in sid→jessie/armhf: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: u-boot-tools (>= 2015.10) [armhf] <cross>.
• 370[01:41:29] <MOZGIII> So, does it depend on itself, but older version?
• 371[01:42:01] <themill> it depends on itself for cross-compiling
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• 376[01:44:18] <MOZGIII> judd: checkbackport u-boot-tools --fromrelease sid --torelease stable --arch amd64 --verbose
• 377[01:44:19] <judd> Backporting package u-boot-tools in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, archignore.
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• 380[01:46:15] <MOZGIII> Oh, it must be unable to compile on armhf, otherwise why would it be like that, right?
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• 403[02:06:59] <MOZGIII> damn it, nand was just compiled as module the whole time :(
• 404[02:07:03] <MOZGIII> lolz
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• 445[02:38:05] <afernandez_> hello:
• 446[02:38:50] <afernandez_> can anyone direct me to directions on how to install Debian on a newer MAC?
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• 448[02:39:43] <code1o6> hey guys is gpt+ efi + fake raid possible
• 449[02:40:06] <code1o6> replaced-url
• 450[02:40:24] <code1o6> was foollowing this tutorial but step 8 does not exist on my debian install cd
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• 453[02:41:43] <code1o6> appreciate any help
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• 463[02:45:34] <afernandez_> what is not code1o6 ?
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• 472[02:49:29] <KungFuJesus> Where do I get ppc64 big endian isos for debian?
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• 475[02:50:38] <KungFuJesus> I can only find little endian
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• 477[02:52:14] <code1o6> afernandez_, systemrescue is not present
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• 486[02:56:15] <knamehost> can debian system be restored ?
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• 492[02:58:09] <bazhang> knamehost, from backups? sure
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• 494[02:58:45] <knamehost> thats the problem no back ups
• 495[02:59:25] <bazhang> knamehost, you mean some sort of restore point?
• 496[03:00:00] <bazhang> ,v backintime-common
• 497[03:00:01] <judd> Package: backintime-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.10-1; jessie: 1.0.36-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.36-1+deb8u1; stretch: 1.1.12-1; sid: 1.1.12-1
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• 619[04:23:58] <hhmpz> Do I get a different system if I install from the standard live-cd than if I just install from the net-inst without any graphical user interface? Like, are there more packages included with the standard livecd?
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• 622[04:24:29] <Vainglory> trying to apt-get update and getting hung up on 128.31.0.63 which won't connect
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• 626[04:25:33] <Vainglory> 100% [Connecting to security.debian.org (128.31.0.63)]
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• 631[04:27:49] <dvs> hhmpz, you get the same system
• 632[04:28:02] <hhmpz> dvs: thanks a lot
• 633[04:28:07] <dvs> no prob
• 634[04:29:25] <themill> the live installer screws up a few things like lvm though (it forgets to install the lvm2 package)
• 635[04:29:33] <bigterd> anyone ever have dosfsck tools hang?
• 636[04:29:50] <bigterd> one in a trillion to answer that question, but i posted it.
• 637[04:30:34] <bigterd> its eating cpu cycles, but not accessing the disk the image is on.
• 638[04:31:46] <hhmpz> themill: won't be using lvm, thanks for the heads up though
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• 765[06:10:09] <Greensmith> replaced-url
• 766[06:10:15] <Greensmith> and debian
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• 848[07:20:31] <dionysus69> hello all, how do I install latest version of rhythmbox from backports?
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• 866[07:29:34] <Penix> dionysus69: by enabling the repo and installing the package. "latest" will be whatever version exists in the repo
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• 871[07:32:27] <somiaj> ,vrhythmbox
• 872[07:32:32] <somiaj> ,v rhythmbox
• 873[07:32:33] <judd> Package: rhythmbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.97-2.1; jessie: 3.1-1; stretch: 3.4-1; sid: 3.4.1-1
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• 894[07:54:20] <dionysus69> any ideas why fingerprint reader might not be listed in lsusb? it has never happened before, it has worked on this kernel version too
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• 898[07:58:06] <Elronnd> I stopped being able to set my brightness recently
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• 900[07:58:13] <Elronnd> reboots don't fix it, and I just upgraded
• 901[07:58:24] <Elronnd> I can't set it through gnome, or xrandr
• 902[07:58:29] <Elronnd> ermm
• 903[07:58:30] <missmbob> testing?
• 904[07:58:32] <Elronnd> xbacklight
• 905[07:58:33] <Elronnd> yes
• 906[07:58:35] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 907[07:58:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 909[07:59:16] <dionysus69> Elronnd: yes same happened with me
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• 911[07:59:38] <dionysus69> It is not a kernel fault, are you on gnome?
• 912[07:59:44] <Elronnd> yes
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• 914[07:59:58] <dionysus69> I blame gnome for it even though it is not intuitive
• 915[07:59:59] <Elronnd> I don't think it's gnome's fault, though
• 916[08:00:11] <Elronnd> I can switch to fvwm, though, and see if xbacklight works then
• 917[08:00:12] <dionysus69> what is your Details showing
• 918[08:00:26] <Elronnd> what's that, something in gnome-settings?
• 919[08:00:27] <dionysus69> and what is your gnome-shell --version in terminal showing
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• 921[08:00:34] <dionysus69> yes gnome-settings details
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• 923[08:01:04] <dionysus69> graphics should be blank
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• 925[08:01:22] <dionysus69> and gnome versions shouldnt match, thats my case at least
• 926[08:01:26] <Elronnd> gnome v3.21.90 mem 3.7 gib processor intel pentium x4 base system debian gnu/linux stretch/sid 64-bit disk 305.5 gb
• 927[08:01:44] <Elronnd> and yes, nothing for grahpics
• 928[08:01:51] <dionysus69> yes thats the problem
• 929[08:01:54] <Elronnd> I don't have a gpu, though, so I think that's to be expected
• 930[08:02:15] <dionysus69> I am testing the same pc on same kernel on different installation and it works.
• 931[08:02:19] <Elronnd> any solution, or workaround?
• 932[08:02:24] <Elronnd> the thing is, it used to work fine
• 933[08:02:25] <dionysus69> no it should say intel integrated something at least
• 934[08:02:43] <dionysus69> brightness doesnt work because it has a fault in detecting integrated GPU
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• 936[08:03:02] <Elronnd> dammit
• 937[08:03:05] <Elronnd> I just had an idea
• 938[08:03:10] <Elronnd> then it slipped out of my mind
• 939[08:03:18] <dionysus69> haha spit it out :D :D
• 940[08:03:18] <oneand0> Elronnd: same here, gnome-settings says "No screens found" .... i 'get around it' via "xrandr --output LVDS --brightness 1' .. set to 0-1 ... and make sure your output is right "xrandr -q" to see whats connected
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• 942[08:04:03] <dionysus69> changing brightness is less of a problem in this case, my problem is that steam doesnt launch
• 943[08:04:17] <dionysus69> sudo -e /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness
• 944[08:04:19] <Elronnd> oneand0: that's a lousy hack though
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• 946[08:04:52] <Elronnd> what's -e do?
• 947[08:04:55] <oneand0> Elronnd: yeah ..im trying to ifnd root cause... mine stopped 4 days ago
• 948[08:04:57] * Elronnd uses su, not sudo
• 949[08:05:00] <dionysus69> it stands for edit i think
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• 951[08:05:28] <Elronnd> that file says 7812
• 952[08:05:33] <Elronnd> I have no idea what to set it to
• 953[08:05:51] <dionysus69> dunno why it says such a large number
• 954[08:06:00] <dionysus69> I worked between numbers 100 and 500
• 955[08:06:10] <dionysus69> try 500 see how brightness changes
• 956[08:06:31] <Elronnd> "brightness" E667: Fsync failed
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• 959[08:06:46] <dionysus69> the number is wrong then, try different
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• 961[08:06:55] <dionysus69> I had to do trial and error
• 962[08:07:03] <Elronnd> I can't change it
• 963[08:07:09] <Elronnd> do I have to dd or something?
• 964[08:07:23] <dionysus69> dunno, I was able to change it with the command I posted
• 965[08:07:32] <dionysus69> I dont know how su works really
• 966[08:08:08] <Elronnd> I'm installing sudo now
• 967[08:08:12] <Elronnd> I'll see if it work
• 968[08:08:16] <Elronnd> s
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• 971[08:09:10] <dionysus69> it should xD
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• 974[08:10:40] <dionysus69> ok I am rebooting, good luck with it :) webgen@outlook.com Elronnd if u find a fix for the GPU problem :D
• 975[08:10:57] <Elronnd> k
• 976[08:11:02] <Elronnd> reboots didn't fix anything for me
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• 978[08:11:18] <dionysus69> I am testing something else, fingerprint reader is not detected
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• 1001[08:30:18] <and_rew> Hello everyone! Having a problem with my wireless card on a fresh install of jessie, Im missing some non free drivers I think. I changed my sources list to a non-free repository that I was showen by a friend but it dosen't seem to be working this time. Last install was cinnamon this install is gnome but I didn't think that made any difference, any help is greatly appreciated!
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• 1003[08:31:19] <and_rew> This is the repository deb replaced-url
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• 1009[08:33:59] <ransur0t> and_rew: are you running stretch?
• 1010[08:36:24] <and_rew> No, at least i dont think so, I downloaded jessie but the sources list I had saved from the previous install
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• 1013[08:37:37] <and_rew> Do you ask because of the "testing" in the sources list?
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• 1015[08:37:52] <ransur0t> yes -- then you shouldn't mix repos
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• 1022[08:39:26] <ransur0t> and, which wireless card are we talking about?
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• 1027[08:43:11] <and_rew> So, can I just change "deb replaced-url
• 1028[08:44:19] <and_rew> intel centrino advanced-N 6200
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• 1032[08:49:10] <and_rew> tbh I am really new to linux and let someone "help" me change the sources list that I had met at defcon because I couldn't get my wireless card working after he convinced me to switch to debian, so I really have no idea what the difference is between what the original sources.list file was and what he changed it to. But it made my wireless card work so I saved it when I decided to switch from cinnamon to gnome and see if it worked. And
• 1033[08:49:11] <and_rew> now im here...... lol
• 1034[08:51:59] <morf_> and_rew: i think the only problem is missing wireless driver
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• 1038[08:52:58] <ransur0t> and_rew: yes, your sources list change is correct
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• 1040[08:53:25] <morf_> and_rew: do you know what's the type of the wifi?
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• 1043[08:54:27] <morf_> for example i have some shitty intel wifi ... so i need iwlwifi package in debian
• 1044[08:54:37] <ransur0t> and_rew: replaced-url
• 1045[08:55:01] <ransur0t> that will take care of your troubles
• 1046[08:55:01] <ransur0t> !
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• 1048[08:55:03] <morf_> ransur0t: does he has this also?
• 1049[08:55:17] <and_rew> I think I installed that last time
• 1050[08:55:26] <morf_> and?
• 1051[08:55:31] <and_rew> One sec
• 1052[08:55:35] <ransur0t> yes, intel centrino advanced-N 6200
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• 1054[08:55:36] <and_rew> let me try it again
• 1055[08:55:41] <and_rew> Ya
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• 1067[09:02:07] <blackflow> Hello. I've stopped dpkg (re)starting services like explained here: replaced-url
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• 1076[09:07:15] <lpapp> hello, screen is terminating right after issuing the screen command... I am trying to use screen as a regular user. My friend has tried setgid as well as reinstalling the official package on Wheezy, 7.11. It used to work for years and it suddenly broke. I am not sure what my friend or his provider did to the server, but I would like to fix it. Any idea what to do next?
• 1077[09:07:34] <lpapp> ls -ld `which screen` -> -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 421640 Sep 3 2015 /usr/bin/screen
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• 1079[09:07:53] <lpapp> ls -ld /var/run/screen -> drwxrwxr-x 4 root utmp 80 Sep 9 11:25 /var/run/screen/
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• 1083[09:08:15] <lpapp> and this is the problem screen -> [screen is terminating]
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• 1094[09:16:42] <ransur0t> and_rew: how's it going?
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• 1119[09:28:57] <and_rew> ransur0t: I got side tracked learning how to find the fastest mirror with netselect-apt real quick. Now i should be on the fastest mirror just waiting to update then going to install iwlwifi
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• 1126[09:32:21] <and_rew> I had read that same wiki when I first started with debian and I forgot about it. I'm guilty of not searching before asking for help this time lol
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• 1130[09:34:22] <ransur0t> no prob man, nice work on netselect
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• 1135[09:35:27] <and_rew> I really don
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• 1142[09:38:19] <and_rew> I really don't understand how the repository's work, I mean i under stand that I point my computer to them via the address in /etc/apt/sources.list but whats the diff between the deb and deb-src repos. and whats the security repo? ........ Im reading 'How Linux Works 2nd edition' and it hasn't covered it yet but im not to far in.
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• 1144[09:39:07] <and_rew> any links to good articles are appreciated........ if your to lazy to explain it lol
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• 1151[09:42:37] <ransur0t> goo.gl/M6j2KL
• 1152[09:42:45] <and_rew> ANNNNNND we have wifi!
• 1153[09:42:53] <and_rew> dope. thx
• 1154[09:43:12] <ransur0t> yw, congrats! :)
• 1155[09:43:39] <ransur0t> see link above for debian package management
• 1156[09:43:51] <iKarith> Hey all, I'm getting some errors at shutdown that appear to be harmless, but I am concerned about them as I'm trying to migrate to an encrypted system with a SSD cache and I have messed it up literally a dozen times now. Here's the errors I'm getting: replaced-url
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• 1162[09:45:11] <and_rew> I'm reading it now.....
• 1163[09:45:13] <iKarith> The "Stopped (with error) lines.
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• 1169[09:48:43] <iKarith> Partition layout is /dev/sda1 as LUKS "swap_crypt". /dev/bcache0 is /dev/sdb3 (/dev/sda2 is the cache), and bcache0 is LUKS formatted as root_crypt. It's mounted on /srv for now though to test that it works in the initrd and all. I'm not moving my filesystem to it until I know it's reliable.
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• 1177[09:50:14] <iKarith> /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 are needed to boot the system--ESP and /boot respectively.
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• 1179[09:51:36] <iKarith> I have a systemd.log_level=debug boot as journalctl -b -1, you're looking at -b -2 there.
• 1180[09:51:59] <iKarith> I didn't see anything in the debug log that really clued me in though
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• 1222[10:11:02] <and_rew> Hello!
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• 1246[10:25:50] <jelly> !qotd0
• 1247[10:25:50] <dpkg> <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you?
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• 1277[10:44:19] <r3m1> how's it going all
• 1278[10:44:54] <r3m1> In /etc/init.d/skeleton, there is a ':' at the end of the script. What is it for ? What does it do ?
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• 1281[10:46:30] <cdown> It's probably a not very clear alternative to `exit 0`.
• 1282[10:46:39] <cdown> Although why people love to end scripts with `exit 0` is anyone's guess.
• 1283[10:46:49] <r3m1> alright
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• 1288[10:48:29] <mathlover97> Hi. I know that the chances of an infected linux machine are slim, especially since I don't install 3rd-party software. However, I am planning to do a fresh-install and I was wondering what could be a safe way to copy my files from an encrypted home folder without risking infecting my USB drive. Thanks in advance!
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• 1290[10:50:17] <cdown> mathlover97: What does "risking infecting" mean? If you're connecting a USB device to a system you consider to be compromised, there's no good way to do that.
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• 1292[10:50:40] <ksk> that depends on the "virus", no? like, boot a livelinux and copy the files. If its a killer virus it would maybe then "infect" your live-linux as you read this files? you cannot really tell imho..
• 1293[10:50:48] <cdown> Compromise can occur at any level of the system -- if, say, the virus has root access there's no good way for sure.
• 1294[10:51:15] <mathlover97> cdown, ksk I see. thanks
• 1295[10:52:11] <mathlover97> I was thinking about sending my files on my phone through wifi
• 1296[10:52:23] <mathlover97> to my phone, i mean
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• 1298[10:52:33] <ksk> on the other hand if you dont suspect to have a virus (never had one using linux) just copy over the files ;) you could also scan them using a livelinux and maybe clamav
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• 1300[10:54:11] <mathlover97> ksk, well the thing is, I collect old pdf files. For example, I will search for an Aristotle's book and I would click on pages on google that were suspicious and would never have the book. The would just list as always having the book :/
• 1301[10:54:31] <mathlover97> sorry for my english
• 1302[10:54:56] <ksk> I see. As far as I know there has not been a "Linux virus" in the wild though.
• 1303[10:55:15] <r3m1> I didnt know Aristotle wrote PDF but they must be quite old indeed :D
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• 1306[10:56:02] <mathlover97> r3m1, well they are old books that are scanned (and are on public domain). sometimes I will have to search through many pages of google to fine specific ones. i have all his works (lots of gigs of pdf's) in both ancient greek and english
• 1307[10:57:02] <r3m1> is it ok to have an LSBscript with no Default-start levels but just Default-stop ? In my case the start is triggered by a cronjob but I'd rather have the things properly stopped when the system reboot
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• 1317[10:59:27] <mathlover97> ksk, I got a linux distro installed on my computer because when I'd click pages on goo gle of books, I'd get them blocked from my antivirus. so i know that they target windows computers but i hope they can't infect an uptodate ubuntu or debian installatio;n
• 1318[10:59:37] <r3m1> mathlover97: was just joking. Can't you find them from proper sources such as NTUA ?
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• 1320[11:00:32] <mathlover97> r3m1, some of the books are not available in the whole country. they can be very rare
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• 1322[11:00:45] <mathlover97> i get the easy to get ones from archive.org
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• 1331[11:04:07] <mathlover97> I was staying in athens for a while and i got robbed and they took my phone. since then i decided to encrypt my data just in case they take my laptop at some point. no idea how to decrypt, even with the keys, through a live cd :(
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• 1334[11:05:00] <cdown> ksk: There have been plenty, it's mostly just a trend that Un*x people focus on CVEs rather than actual instances of exploitation
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• 1340[11:06:27] <mathlover97> cdown, exactly. i am sure there are plenty of exploits out there
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• 1343[11:08:19] <r3m1> cdown: what does CVEs stands for?
• 1344[11:08:34] <cdown> r3m1: replaced-url
• 1345[11:08:52] <cdown> But basically, a centralised place to store information about exploits in major software.
• 1346[11:09:06] <cdown> (Although it is becoming more and more byzantine to get CVE numbers assigned...)
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• 1440[11:55:49] <and_rew> ransur0t thanks again for all the help earlier if your still around.
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• 1442[11:57:34] <ransur0t> and_rew: you're welcome man, glad to help
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• 1445[12:00:30] <bipul> What is the meaning of "segments" ? when we do lvdisplay.
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• 1455[12:08:05] <Gobo708> Hi all, just wondering how I set a directory to make all new files executable by the owner.
• 1456[12:08:09] <Gobo708> Thanks in advance
• 1457[12:08:32] <han-solo> chmod
• 1458[12:08:38] <han-solo> man chmod
• 1459[12:09:13] <han-solo> chmod -R <dir>/
• 1460[12:09:20] <han-solo> to be specific, i guess
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• 1462[12:10:35] <han-solo> ofcourse you have to set the permission
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• 1465[12:10:54] <han-solo> chmod -R a+x <dir>
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• 1467[12:11:28] <Gobo708> Thanks2
• 1468[12:11:33] <Gobo708> Thanks!
• 1469[12:11:35] <han-solo> er, you wanted ownder
• 1470[12:11:42] <han-solo> owner
• 1471[12:11:47] <han-solo> chmod -R u+x <dir>
• 1472[12:11:47] <Gobo708> yeah, not group
• 1473[12:11:58] <Gobo708> cheers
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• 1481[12:18:19] <Gobo708> hmm every time a new file arrives its -rw-r--r--
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• 1483[12:18:48] <Gobo708> I am pulling files from source control with jenkins..
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• 1488[12:22:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> that would be the job of the program
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• 1491[12:25:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> and I don't know about this CI stuff, but revision systems like git just don't do it, they're for source and they just don't care about permissions
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• 1494[12:25:35] <Gobo708> job of what program?
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• 1497[12:25:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> jenkins
• 1498[12:26:22] <Gobo708> to change permissions after pulling the file down? as oppossed to it inheriting from the directory?
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• 1504[12:28:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> there isn't anything to inherit with normal unix permissions
• 1505[12:28:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> there might be with acls
• 1506[12:28:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> to change permissions of a file to match the permissions of where you pulled it from, yes
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• 1510[12:29:27] <Gobo708> hmm ok
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• 1513[12:30:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> look in "man 5 acl" what rules acls may have for inheriting
• 1514[12:30:51] <Gobo708> Thanks
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• 1516[12:31:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> but execute permissions on directories mean something very different than on files, so inheriting that way doesn't make a lot of sense
• 1517[12:32:27] <Gobo708> yeah might look at changing it with jenkins after I pull it down
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• 1520[12:33:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> guess one could also watch for new files with inotify and then change or so
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• 1523[12:37:07] <han-solo> yeah, write a script
• 1524[12:37:30] <han-solo> or crontab, or a service :)
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• 1553[12:51:23] <Gobo708> post build task in jenkins..
• 1554[12:51:25] <Gobo708> all good
• 1555[12:51:38] <han-solo> good
• 1556[12:51:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> \o/
• 1557[12:51:44] <Gobo708> Thanks
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• 1561[12:54:46] <and_rew> What would the symptoms be of a graphics card going out? Booting into text only? Screens been having weird lines on it for a while
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• 1563[12:55:57] <and_rew> or I just deleted something instead of installing something which was my original goal. hmmm
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• 1565[12:56:02] <Flashtek> it not being there when you look fir it..
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• 1583[13:02:53] <and_rew> and if its integrated can it not go out?
• 1584[13:03:11] <and_rew> I can still see it via lspci
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• 1589[13:06:07] <and_rew> Because if not I deff deleted something, trying to install hexchat lol
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• 1596[13:10:51] <Conna> when debian 9 release?
• 1597[13:11:16] <tobiasBora> Hello,
• 1598[13:11:24] <tobiasBora> I got a pretty annoying problem :
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• 1600[13:11:45] <jelly> Conna: debian does not have set release dates, it's hard to even guess
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• 1602[13:11:57] <Conna> hmm ok
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• 1604[13:12:07] <jelly> !wwsr
• 1605[13:12:07] <dpkg> Hang on.... we've only just released jessie!
• 1606[13:12:25] <themill> !stretch freeze
• 1607[13:12:25] <dpkg> Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017; no new versions of packages will enter the release as this is a period of intense bug fixing. See replaced-url
• 1608[13:12:43] <Conna> i use kali linux <debian 8 based> :)
• 1609[13:12:55] <jelly> good for you!
• 1610[13:13:21] <jelly> I hear it's a decent distro, for its purposes
• 1611[13:13:48] <Conna> yes thats true
• 1612[13:14:08] <tobiasBora> I am running debian, where / is on a SSD. However, due to a lack of place, I needed to extend the lvm partition on the ssd, and I added a partition on the HD. Everything works fine... except that when I reboot I cannot boot anymore to debian, I've an error like "I don't know the device lvm/...." (I can get the exact error if needed). So the thing I would like to do is generate a plenty new EFI file (since the
• 1613[13:14:10] <tobiasBora> lvm UUID seems changed), but I don't manage to do it... Do you know what I could do ?
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• 1616[13:15:07] <colo-work> are powermgmt-base acpi-support-base and acpid still needed on systemd-enabled hosts?
• 1617[13:15:08] <jelly> tobiasBora: can you take a picture of the screen when that message is visible?
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• 1652[13:30:41] <colo-work> is it possible to determine if/when tasksel was run on a host, and what it was instructed to install?
• 1653[13:31:51] <ransur0t> dpkg slushy
• 1654[13:31:51] <dpkg> When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
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• 1657[13:36:15] <jelly> colo-work: I don't think it keep its own logs, so all you're going to have is circumstantial evidence, logs from apt and dpkg
• 1658[13:36:46] <colo-work> jelly, yeah, I was afraid so. thanks for your input.
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• 1661[13:37:39] <themill> most things that tasksel installs are packages though
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• 1670[13:44:28] <jelly> push @cmd, qw{apt-get -q -y -o APT::Install-Recommends=true -o APT::Get::AutomaticRemove=true -o APT::Acquire::Retries=3 install};
• 1671[13:45:46] <iadf> Hello, a game I play launched a new client, they released a linux version but do not officially support it, I tried running it and am having trouble with shared libraries more specifically (libpcre16.so.0) I have searched for the library on debian packages but can't find it. The game in question is Tibia Version 11(replaced-url
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• 1686[13:54:45] <ksk> iadf: mostly its about these games looking for a specific version/name of something. most of the time you can just symlink it. libpcre should come with perl packages?
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• 1694[13:57:58] <ksk> iadf: how about reading replaced-url
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• 1696[13:58:19] <ksk> eh they dont, nevermind..
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• 1699[14:00:02] <iadf> ksk: hard to find information since the new client was released today
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• 1704[14:01:28] <Capum321> hello, this command `at now + 6 minutes rtcwake -s 300 -m standby` at terminal returns: at: invalid option -- 's'
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• 1761[14:20:30] <ksk> iadf: so its probably not compatible
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• 1765[14:21:27] <ksk> on the other hand they did no good job in porting the game if one has to apply all that hacks. better use steam ;)
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• 1768[14:21:41] <unborn> iadf: did you asked for your needs directly to program/client devs?
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• 1771[14:22:24] <unborn> iadf: it would be possibly best and fastest to contact them directly
• 1772[14:22:30] <iadf> unborn: they provided the linux version but said right from the start that it is not officially supported, so my problem will be ignored
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• 1777[14:23:36] <iadf> unborn: sure I can try that
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• 1779[14:24:48] <iadf> ksk: some time ago Tibia was accepted on steam greenlight but a few months later the company decided not to go for steam, really not sure why. Bad call as far as I see it
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• 1789[14:28:13] <ksk> yap, they should know what their software needs and where to get it.
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• 1847[14:53:25] <adamicron> is there a reason why package libcgraph6 doesn't have a -dev version, or pkgconfig file anyway?
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• 1854[14:56:09] <adamicron> ah nvm, found in libgraphviz-dev
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• 1880[15:07:31] <slax0r> how bad of an idea is it to install vim from stretch on jessie?
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• 1892[15:09:28] <zykotick9> slax0r: according to "/msg judd checkbackport vim" you might be able to <ssb> it. installing the binary isn't a good idea!
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• 1898[15:12:04] <jelly> slax0r: very bad
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• 1912[15:14:52] <slax0r> zykotick9: <ssb> it?
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• 1914[15:15:12] <jelly> !ssb
• 1915[15:15:12] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 1916[15:15:13] <zykotick9> slax0r: sorry, it's a factoid. so "/msg dpkg ssb"
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• 1918[15:15:39] <jelly> slax0r: 8.0 is not in debian yet
• 1919[15:16:04] <slax0r> I don't need 8.0, although would be nice, just 7.4.710 at least
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• 1924[15:16:52] <slax0r> ok, so since package is not here: replaced-url
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• 1934[15:20:58] <jelly> slax0r: correct
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• 1982[15:45:17] <slax0r> vim is building, tnx for help jelly zykotick9
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• 1984[15:45:55] <afernandez_> Anyone install debian in a late Mac succesfully? if yes can you provide documentation link please
• 1985[15:45:57] <afernandez_> Thanks
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• 1996[15:55:01] <jhutchins> We need a newer version of vim? Something has changed in the last 10 years?
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• 1998[15:55:31] <petn-randall> jhutchins: Don't you miss async I/O and JSON support in your vim?
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• 2000[15:55:56] <jhutchins> petn-randall: No.
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• 2002[15:56:29] <jhutchins> petn-randall: I've used edlin for critical tasks.
• 2003[15:56:45] <petn-randall> </sarcasm>
• 2004[15:56:47] <han-solo> there's vim8
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• 2006[15:56:57] <han-solo> ah
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• 2024[16:07:10] <slax0r> well, after build running for a quite long amount of time, I ran into an error: replaced-url
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• 2028[16:09:23] <themill> it needs a newer debhelper than what you have installed
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• 2030[16:09:59] <slax0r> alrighty, lets give it another go then
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• 2047[16:20:16] <r3m1> how to add a gateway for a specific interface ?
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• 2050[16:20:23] <r3m1> using "route"
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• 2070[16:27:23] <gtkminh> hello
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• 2080[16:30:09] <fred1807> can I install at (command time scheduler) without exim4 ?
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• 2084[16:31:20] <sonOfRa> When pinning packages from other repositories, what exactly do the letters in the Pin: line mean? i.e. sometimes the manpage states "Pin: release a=testing" or "Pin: release o=Debian", or "Pin: release n=testing".
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• 2087[16:31:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, apt recommends
• 2088[16:31:42] <dpkg> Packages required in all but unusual cases (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>.
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• 2091[16:32:19] <jak2000> hi
• 2092[16:32:24] <jak2000> dude: /etc/network/interfaces have these line: auto enp0s3 what is this?
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• 2095[16:33:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> maybe man 5 interfaces can tell you
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• 2098[16:35:08] <OerHeks> predictable interface naming ..
• 2099[16:35:18] <zykotick9> sonOfRa: <sidenote> someone here in #d once wrote, (something like) "those that understand pinning, understand not to use it"
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• 2103[16:36:35] <themill> sonOfRa: the output of "apt-cache policy" (and apt_preferences(5)) cover that
• 2104[16:37:01] <jak2000> mmm
• 2105[16:37:53] <jak2000> not know why, always always need type: sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 for start work with network card? any advice? thanks
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• 2107[16:38:05] <sonOfRa> ah, I see.
• 2108[16:38:35] <sonOfRa> I get that pinning isn't always wise, but I need a more recent version of ruby than is available in debian stable. Should I instead compile ruby myself and install it to /usr/local?
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• 2115[16:40:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions ruby
• 2116[16:40:24] <judd> Package: ruby on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.9.3; jessie: 1:2.1.5+deb8u2; sid: 1:2.3.0+4; stretch: 1:2.3.0+4
• 2117[16:40:50] <jak2000> sonOfRa any advice?
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• 2119[16:41:20] <sonOfRa> CutMeOwnThroat: a gem I depend on needs ruby >=2.2.5
• 2120[16:41:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> I think for ruby that may be the best… you could backport it as a package… but from what I hear/read, ruby changes so quickly, I think you're happier with an install outside the package system
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• 2127[16:43:10] <sonOfRa> I suppose I'll install ruby locally then, thanks for the advice
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• 2135[16:45:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> jak2000, you could try allow-hotplug
• 2136[16:46:10] <AlwaysHigh> is there a correct way to mount new harddrives
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• 2141[16:48:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> is there an incorrect way?
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• 2144[16:49:49] <jak2000> CutMeOwnThroat how to?
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• 2148[16:51:01] <jak2000> its a vm in Virtual box
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• 2162[16:54:00] <zykotick9> AlwaysHigh: could you be more specific?
• 2163[16:54:31] <AlwaysHigh> btw what label type do i use when formatting and partitioning a drive
• 2164[16:54:36] <AlwaysHigh> i have gpt dos sgi sun
• 2165[16:54:42] <AlwaysHigh> i have 3 drives < 1tb big
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• 2168[16:55:03] <pingfloyd> jak2000: what's your /etc/default/grub look like?
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• 2170[16:55:26] <jak2000> wait a moment Checking
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• 2172[16:56:22] <pingfloyd> jak2000: I think your problem is that /etc/network/interfaces is using predictable network interface naming to address the interfaces, but you have that feature disabled
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• 2176[16:56:50] <jak2000> pingfloyd: replaced-url
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• 2179[16:57:13] <pingfloyd> jak2000: are you wanting to use predictable naming?
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• 2185[16:57:52] <jak2000> some ppl tell me about network manager, remove?
• 2186[16:58:03] <jak2000> predictable naming? <--- not know wait me a moment for read
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• 2196[16:59:02] <iwkse> hi, do you know why I cannot find abiword-plugins in the repository? It has been merged with the main package?
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• 2200[16:59:37] <jak2000> how to know if is enabled "predictable naming?"
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• 2202[17:00:01] <missmbob> iwkse: they're separate. apt-cache search abiword-plugins (you'll get -gnome, -grammar, etc)
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• 2205[17:00:21] <missmbob> iwkse: i meant plugin* singular
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• 2208[17:00:34] <iwkse> missmbob: I don't have it
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• 2210[17:00:48] <iwkse> missmbob: I have abiword-plugin-grammar abiword-plugin-mathview
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• 2217[17:01:37] <fernie> jak2000: predictable naming means that your network interface would not be anything predictable like eth0
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• 2219[17:01:47] <iwkse> missmbob: I see. So there's a single package for each plugin
• 2220[17:01:53] <jak2000> ahh yes
• 2221[17:02:01] <iwkse> missmbob: I'm trying to find out how to open odt files, but I see no plugins for that
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• 2224[17:02:09] <fernie> funny how they named that feature :)
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• 2228[17:02:48] <jak2000> yes i enable
• 2229[17:02:52] <jak2000> i want enable how to
• 2230[17:02:52] <iwkse> s/open/open or create/
• 2231[17:02:52] <jmcnaught> iwkse: abiword doesn't need a plugin to open odt files. did you get an error when opening one?
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• 2233[17:03:04] <iwkse> jmcnaught: not really, I want to create one
• 2234[17:03:13] <jak2000> jmcnaught any advice?
• 2235[17:03:15] <iwkse> but I don't see how to save it, no options like odt
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• 2239[17:04:13] <jmcnaught> iwkse: file > save as... > save file as type: opendocument (.odt)
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• 2248[17:05:52] <iwkse> jmcnaught: I don't see it between the types
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• 2250[17:06:24] <jmcnaught> jak2000: there are two ways that Debian handles interface names. The traditional method with udev rules, and the new systemd-networkd way. which one are you asking about?
• 2251[17:06:26] <iwkse> version 3.0.1
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• 2255[17:07:20] <jmcnaught> iwkse: it works on jessie. if that option isn't there for you on stretch/sid then you could ask in the testing/unstable channel
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• 2257[17:07:41] <iwkse> jmcnaught: thanks, please can you write the name of it?
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• 2260[17:07:56] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell iwkse about debian-next
• 2261[17:07:57] <pingfloyd> jak2000: if you want to enable it, you need to use 'net.ifnames=1' kernel parameter
• 2262[17:08:03] <iwkse> jmcnaught: thank you!
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• 2272[17:08:49] <jak2000> pingfloyd: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=1"
• 2273[17:08:53] <jak2000> and the end of grub file?
• 2274[17:08:53] <iwkse> jmcnaught: do you have idea why it isn't on freenode?
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• 2276[17:09:18] <jmcnaught> iwkse: OFTC is the official IRC network of Debian for 10 years now. This is the only channel left on freenode.
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• 2278[17:09:19] <pingfloyd> jak2000: so I would first try it manually by hitting e key on grub menu and adding that. If it works, then edit /etc/default/grub and add that parameter to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= and run update-grub and rebbot
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• 2284[17:09:48] <iwkse> jmcnaught: ah okey
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• 2289[17:09:50] <pingfloyd> jak2000: yeah, that's how you can make it default to using it
• 2290[17:09:53] <sslb> Any of you guys familiar with why I would be getting 404 errors when trying to access my site via HTTPS? I'm getting 404's for everything except the main site.
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• 2309[17:10:33] <jmcnaught> sslb: most likely an error in your webserver configuration.
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• 2318[17:11:00] <pingfloyd> jak2000: except not at the end of the grub file. just edit the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= line in /etc/default/grub to include it
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• 2330[17:11:52] <jak2000> ok
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• 2336[17:12:11] <pingfloyd> jak2000: after you edit that, then you run update-grub so it will be in effect when you boot
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• 2348[17:12:19] <sslb> jmcnaught: I'm forwarding via HTTPS using .htaccess file. Main domain loads fine. As soon as I try to load any other page I get the 404. Anything specific to look at in the apache2 config?
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• 2370[17:13:28] <sslb> jmcnaught: If I'm doing it via htaccess, do I need anything in default-ssl.conf for apache2?
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• 2374[17:13:47] <jmcnaught> sslb: are you using rewrite rules? try the redirect method here, and move that rule into your virtualhost file: replaced-url
• 2375[17:13:51] <jak2000> pingfloyd ok
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• 2377[17:13:52] <jak2000> testing...
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• 2389[17:15:00] <frozengeek> hej, is anybody else here having kernel panics on jessie when running docker? the moment I throw some load on a docker container in our jenkins (pip install a lot of packages) i get a kernel panic.
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• 2394[17:15:18] <jmcnaught> sslb: i would need to know more details to be able to say what you need to do in default-ssl.conf
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• 2401[17:15:40] <sslb> jmcnaught: got it working. I had to add details about the domain in default-ssl.conf. Redirecting to https via .htaccess file works fine now.
• 2402[17:15:40] <jmcnaught> sslb: but my guess is that your rewrite rule is wrong
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• 2405[17:15:56] <jak2000> pingfloyd continue same problem
• 2406[17:15:59] <jak2000> not answer pping
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• 2408[17:16:07] <sslb> jmcnaught: rewrite rule was correct, just had to enable the domain in the apache config for SSL
• 2409[17:16:15] <sslb> jmcnaught: thanks for the hlep
• 2410[17:16:21] <jak2000> after type: sudo ifdown eth0 and sudo ifup th0
• 2411[17:16:28] <jmcnaught> sslb: oh i see. still you should consider moving all of that out of the .htaccess and into a vhost file
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• 2416[17:17:04] <sslb> jmcnaught: just wondering, but why put it in the vhost vs .htaccess? Cleaner?
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• 2419[17:17:46] <mtcj> Is there a general consensus on good/bad regarding .htaccess?
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• 2422[17:18:06] <jak2000> pingfloyd arg now sudo ifdown eth0 say me eth0 isnt configured :(
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• 2424[17:18:38] <jmcnaught> they slow down access for one thing: replaced-url
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• 2428[17:19:52] <mtcj> Oh OK, perfect answer to my question too.
• 2429[17:20:24] <mtcj> For some reason I thought they shouldn't be used but forgot when they must be.
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• 2431[17:20:48] <jmcnaught> basically only when you can't configure the webserver as root
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• 2433[17:21:03] <pingfloyd> jak2000: looks like you also have to rename /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules.old so they don't get used
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• 2435[17:21:17] <jak2000> rename and reboot?
• 2436[17:21:53] <mtcj> udevadm control --reload-rules
• 2437[17:21:59] <mtcj> May be good enough
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• 2441[17:23:43] <mtcj> There are a bunch of potential solutions for situations in which a person really doesn't want to reboot.
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• 2444[17:24:26] <jmcnaught> for something like renaming interfaces i'd want to reboot at least once to confirm that when a reboot eventually does happen it will come back online
• 2445[17:24:35] <mtcj> Ok
• 2446[17:25:04] <mtcj> Otherwise you're stuck going "what did I do to get that result last time?" and cussing
• 2447[17:25:18] <pingfloyd> yeah, I'd do a reboot at some point before considering it "solved"
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• 2558[18:04:16] <jak2000> pingfloyd
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• 2561[18:05:34] <jak2000> is empty: /etc/udev/rules.d/ need back: from: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=1" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
• 2562[18:05:52] <jak2000> and i am same pont need type: sudo ifdown eth0 and sudo ifup eth0
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• 2565[18:07:02] <OerHeks> i thought it is: "net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0"
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• 2569[18:08:27] <yokisuci> Only I that for some reason can't create a shortcut with the Super key in gnome 2.20?
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• 2578[18:13:42] <de-facto> Guys, how would i protect my server against this MySQL Exploit that was released yesterday? replaced-url
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• 2580[18:14:09] <jelly> dpkg: cve lookup CVE-2016-6662
• 2581[18:14:10] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory CVE-2016-6662 may be found at replaced-url
• 2582[18:14:15] <de-facto> something like "sudo touch /var/lib/mysql/.my.cnf /var/lib/mysql/my.cnf" ?
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• 2585[18:15:18] <de-facto> reads a bit scary to be honest, yet unfixed...
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• 2596[18:17:26] <jelly> it's just another vuln really, DO NOT PANIC
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• 2598[18:17:53] <jelly> but do try to understand and apply mitigation if known
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• 2600[18:18:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> why not panic
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• 2602[18:18:36] <jelly> it's seldom a productive use of your time
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• 2605[18:18:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> tell that to the news agencies
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• 2607[18:19:05] <de-facto> yeah i wont panic, im just trying to understand what i can do to prevent exploitation since its public now and many will play with it i guess
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• 2630[18:26:43] <cart_man> Hey guys...where can I find rootFs od Wheezy?
• 2631[18:26:45] <cart_man> of`
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• 2633[18:27:18] <jelly> cart_man: debian does not ship ready-made tarballs, you're supposed to use the installer
• 2634[18:27:36] <jelly> or debootstrap
• 2635[18:27:51] <jelly> !debootstrap
• 2636[18:27:51] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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• 2639[18:29:54] <cart_man> Actually I just want to install wheezy on an IMX6
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• 2668[18:46:46] <bumbar_> i'm getting permission denied error when i try to connect to ipc (unix domain socket) file in python. file has 777 permissions, path is correct
• 2669[18:46:53] <jelly> cart_man: which specific board?
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• 2674[18:47:39] <cart_man> jelly: Wandboard
• 2675[18:47:40] <greycat> bumbar_: make the file permissions what they are SUPPOSED to be (not 777), and then check the DIRECTORY permissions leading up to it -- your user needs +x (search) on every dir.
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• 2680[18:49:32] <bumbar_> greycat, what are they supposed to be? script accessing the file is running under different user
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• 2683[18:49:54] <greycat> If you want every user on the entire system to be able to read and write a file, it would be 666.
• 2684[18:50:19] <bumbar_> and 644 for directory?
• 2685[18:50:24] <greycat> GODS NO
• 2686[18:50:32] <greycat> 755 is a good default for directories.
• 2687[18:50:40] <greycat> Directories need +x (search) or they're broken.
• 2688[18:50:48] <bigterd> 777?
• 2689[18:50:56] <greycat> Putting a gratuitous +x on FILES (including sockets) is a bad idea.
• 2690[18:50:57] <bigterd> i always use that for bullshit installs
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• 2692[18:51:10] <bumbar_> ok. but why does search need +x, and not just +r?
• 2693[18:51:17] <greycat> !permissions
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• 2695[18:51:17] <dpkg> For information on permissions, read «info coreutils 'File Permissions'», replaced-url
• 2696[18:51:41] <greycat> On a DIRECTORY, +r lets you read the names of the files in the directory, and +x lets you actually open them.
• 2697[18:51:55] <greycat> (Further subject to the individual file permissions).
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• 2700[18:52:32] <greycat> A directory with +x but not +r lets you access files whose names you know (or can guess), but hides the contents.
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• 2737[19:04:25] <jelly> de-facto: but hey, I found a workaround for a similar issue on a machine...
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• 2739[19:04:39] <jelly> [19:02] ~ # cat /var/lib/mysql/my.cnf
• 2740[19:04:39] <jelly> # This file must exist - CAN-2003-0150, DSA-303
• 2741[19:05:06] <jelly> before CVE were called CVE :-)
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• 2748[19:07:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> I CVE, there for I exist? Why do I exist, because I CAN?
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• 2759[19:10:06] <Jaga-Jaga> I upgraded my debian and now it doesnt display images and icons...
• 2760[19:10:17] <greycat> Upgraded from what to what?
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• 2762[19:10:39] <Jaga-Jaga> greycat: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 2764[19:10:52] <greycat> "From one snapshot of testing/unstable to another"?
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• 2767[19:11:14] <Jaga-Jaga> greycat: could be. now what ?
• 2768[19:11:19] <greycat> !debian-next
• 2769[19:11:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2772[19:12:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> heh. 'could be' still lacks a certain specificity
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• 2775[19:12:13] <greycat> It means "yes".
• 2776[19:12:34] <greycat> It also implies "I am trying to be vague in order to deceive you."
• 2777[19:12:44] <greycat> User is not acting in good faith.
• 2778[19:12:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> $ yes 'could be'
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• 2848[19:39:04] <de-facto> jelly wow thats an old one, how come those arent created by default when mysql package is installed?
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• 2850[19:39:30] <jelly> probably because that one was also _fixed_ in 2003
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• 2887[19:55:43] <anddam> is it safe to set system locale to en_XX.UTF-8?
• 2888[19:55:53] <anddam> safe as in not having odd issues when ssh'ing into the box
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• 2891[19:56:29] <greycat> I can't even parse the question. Is XX literal or a placeholder for something? Why are you even setting a default locale at all? What goal are you aiming to achieve?
• 2892[19:56:29] <anddam> options are None, C, en_GB.UTF-8 (I picked GB for date default)
• 2893[19:56:51] <anddam> greycat: I set up a VPS, flashed a debian, installed tmux and got replaced-url
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• 2895[19:57:12] <anddam> quick check (also it happened to me already) and I know I had to reconfigure package locales
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• 2898[19:57:59] <greycat> anddam: so there is no local console to worry about. ALL of your sessions are over ssh? Then use the setup on replaced-url
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• 2900[19:58:31] <anddam> I am following Locale and ChangeLanguage from wiki
• 2901[19:58:43] <anddam> no default meaning None at this ncurses prompt, right?
• 2902[19:59:00] <anddam> and yes, all my session are going to be via ssh, unless I happen to travel to Latvia
• 2903[19:59:01] <greycat> The default locale that dpkg-reconfigure sets up is broken as hell. It overrides the client's env variables in an ssh session, which is absolutely NOT the right thing to do.
• 2904[19:59:05] <jelly> anddam: if you need just the date format, why not set just LC_TIME instead of the whole LANG
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• 2906[19:59:43] <anddam> jelly: because I never really understood how locale works, I just remember UK's default is saner thatn the MM/DD/YY madness
• 2907[19:59:54] <anddam> s/thatn/than
• 2908[19:59:55] <greycat> Granted, I may be more sensitive to this than the average user, since I frequently (including right now) use a non-UTF8 terminal as a client.
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• 2911[20:00:17] <anddam> greycat: I see the point in env vars overriding
• 2912[20:00:26] <anddam> rather the point against it
• 2913[20:00:50] <alphazulu> what is the command for echo <package> ____ |dpkg --set-selections to remove or uninstall?
• 2914[20:01:02] <greycat> If you're on a box with a Latin-1 terminal some day and you ssh in, you want the locale of your ssh session to be Latin-1 (iso88591) and not UTF-8.
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• 2916[20:01:09] <jelly> anddam: edit /etc/default/locale, if you want UTF-8, set LANG=C.UTF-8 in one row, LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8 in another
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• 2918[20:01:21] <greycat> So blasting the fuck out of everything with that pam crap that dpkg-reconfigure sets up is just wrong.
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• 2921[20:01:37] <jelly> anddam: leave obsolete systems unable to cope with UTF-8 to greycat
• 2922[20:01:43] <anddam> ok
• 2923[20:01:43] <greycat> Meh. Or just blast the fuck out of it like jelly is telling you to.
• 2924[20:02:01] <anddam> jelly: why C for LANG?
• 2925[20:02:05] <greycat> It'll work for linux clients built after 201something so it MUST BE OK RIIIIGHT!!!?
• 2926[20:02:24] <jelly> anddam: because it's the default and you did not specify any preference
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• 2928[20:02:33] <anddam> ok, what about the curses dialog?
• 2929[20:02:36] <jelly> well. Technically C / POSIX is the default.
• 2930[20:02:43] <greycat> anddam: that is dpkg-reconfigure
• 2931[20:03:01] <anddam> yes, but it's still there waiting, should I set None as you suggested, kill it (danger!) or what?
• 2932[20:03:08] <greycat> I give up.
• 2933[20:03:11] <jelly> none is also ok
• 2934[20:03:14] <greycat> Do whatever you're going to do.
• 2935[20:03:46] <anddam> greycat: you said to set None, but then jelly suggested something that seemed alternative and then you gave "do as jelly suggests" alternative
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• 2937[20:03:56] <jelly> greycat: there are other silliness involving locale and ssh.
• 2938[20:04:00] <greycat> Yes, but I was using sarcasm tags. Couldn't you see them?
• 2939[20:04:02] <anddam> it's not clear at all (to me) what I'm supposed to do in order to follow jelly's advice
• 2940[20:04:18] <anddam> absolutely not
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• 2942[20:04:55] <jelly> like Debian's enforcement of SendEnv in global ssh_config, when it's impossible to UnSetEnv in ~/.ssh/
• 2943[20:05:02] <greycat> jelly: I am guessing I have slightly more experience at this particular configuration than you do.
• 2944[20:05:13] <anddam> jelly: "also ok" along with? does setting C.UTF-8 in dpkg-reconfigure set the /etc/default/locale you suggested?
• 2945[20:05:30] <jelly> anddam: no, that just sets LANG
• 2946[20:06:08] <anddam> yep, I just picked C.UTF-8 and it set LANG in /etc/default/locale, now adding LC_TIME and I'd be set
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• 2948[20:06:13] <jelly> greycat: probably, I gave up around 2010
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• 2950[20:06:53] <jelly> UnSendEnv* ... it doesn't exist anyway
• 2951[20:06:56] <anddam> and then a run of locale-gen
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• 2953[20:07:17] <greycat> Why would you want to UnSendEnv?
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• 2958[20:08:16] <jelly> because different kinds of legacy crap sshd's, that bork on envvars
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• 2960[20:09:29] <anddam> thanks for the info
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• 2976[20:12:31] <anddam> my options for using python3.5 are either backport to jessie or move to testing, right?
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• 2982[20:13:20] <greycat> ,v python3.5
• 2983[20:13:21] <judd> Package: python3.5 on amd64 -- stretch: 3.5.2-4; sid: 3.5.2-5
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• 2988[20:13:57] <greycat> Well, your options are 1) try to backport stretch's package, 2) build upstream 3.5 instead of using a package, 3) upgrade to stretch
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• 2990[20:14:15] <jelly> anddam: backporting is probably an impossible task, it'd be a lot easier to have a local build in a separate prefix
• 2991[20:14:18] <greycat> or 4) switch to something other than Debian, either natively or in a VM
• 2992[20:14:24] <anddam> is a third party repo with a binary an option? I figure someone else uses python on debian
• 2993[20:14:35] <greycat> Using third-party packages is not on my list.
• 2994[20:14:38] <babilen> Intalling to /usr/local (with stow) is probably the most maintainable solution
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• 2998[20:14:42] <babilen> I wouldn't backport it
• 2999[20:14:58] <anddam> this VPS has few image templates and debian is by far what I'm most familiar with
• 3000[20:15:10] <anddam> other being centos, fedora and scientific linux
• 3001[20:15:14] <jelly> anddam: some of the packages in debian use debian's python3. You probably do not want to break them
• 3002[20:15:14] <babilen> Shouldn't be too hard to compile .. I have done it frequently with other Python versions in the past and it never turned out to be too hard
• 3003[20:15:22] <anddam> jelly: mm right
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• 3007[20:16:04] <greycat> I'm not well versed in python, but I would certainly prefer building upstream over the other options if backporting turns out to be even slightly challenging. Which it would probably be, since there isn't already a backport.
• 3008[20:16:12] <jelly> there's a variant of 3) that's "have a stretch chroot"
• 3009[20:16:17] <babilen> anddam: Just build the upstream source, install it to /usr/local/stow/python3.5, stow it and be done
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• 3011[20:16:27] <babilen> dpkg: stow usage
• 3012[20:16:27] <dpkg> A quick intro to <stow>: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version && make && make install; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. See also <usrlocal>.
• 3013[20:17:01] <babilen> To give proper advice we probably have to know what you are planning to do with it
• 3014[20:17:20] <anddam> I'm familiar with stow
• 3015[20:17:29] <babilen> Good (not everyone is)
• 3016[20:17:31] <anddam> what I'm going to do with python or with stow?
• 3017[20:17:48] <babilen> I don't understand that question
• 3018[20:17:56] <anddam> " babilen | To give proper advice we probably have to know what you are planning to do with it"
• 3019[20:18:09] <babilen> Ah .. with Python
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• 3021[20:18:31] <babilen> stow is just a proposal, not a solution or anything like that
• 3022[20:18:37] <anddam> run a couple webapps
• 3023[20:18:51] <babilen> So you want to host webpages using it?
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• 3030[20:20:41] <anddam> sorta, I figure any webapp is made of "webpages"
• 3031[20:20:52] <anddam> this is a sandbox and I'm experimenting with django
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• 3034[20:21:16] <greycat> The actually relevant question here is "what are you planning to do that specifically needs py3.5 instead of py3.4"
• 3035[20:21:27] <babilen> Sorry, I should have been more specific. I was referring to "hosting production websites that are accessible to the internet"
• 3036[20:21:47] <anddam> it's not strictly necessary (I haven't revised the 3.5 changelog yet) but I'd like to have the option to try new features
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• 3038[20:21:58] <babilen> greycat: It's newer, therefore better ;)
• 3039[20:22:01] <greycat> !sns
• 3040[20:22:01] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 3041[20:22:35] <abrotman> !worked in 2.4
• 3042[20:22:35] <dpkg> Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat.
• 3043[20:22:38] * abrotman hides
• 3044[20:22:51] <anddam> babilen: well that seems to be actually true, I'm still watching the pycon talks tho' so I don't know the specifics
• 3045[20:22:53] <greycat> Man, that one's old.
• 3046[20:23:07] <anddam> when 25 cents bought you a car
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• 3048[20:23:21] <greycat> Pssht, you mean a horse, right?
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• 3050[20:23:51] <babilen> anddam: You have many options .. really :)
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• 3053[20:24:13] <anddam> I meant the carriage with those evil mechanical horses inside
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• 3055[20:24:42] <anddam> otherwise that wouldn't make sense, 2.6 wasn't out in late 1800s
• 3056[20:24:43] <babilen> Just pick you poison. I just track sid on my laptop and am happy with it, but I wouldn't develop code for a platform that doesn't exist yet.
• 3057[20:24:56] <anddam> the platform exists
• 3058[20:25:00] <anddam> oh you meant stretch
• 3059[20:25:07] <greycat> I *certainly* do not recommend using sid on an exposed web server.
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• 3061[20:25:16] <anddam> I was referring to the language
• 3062[20:25:28] <anddam> ok thanks again for all the info
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• 3070[20:27:08] <babilen> anddam: I meant: You obviusly wouldn't run it on stretch/sid in production, so there is no point in developing against that platform. There's nothing wrong with trying new features, but it really depends on what you want to do.
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• 3072[20:27:38] <babilen> If you want to run a production system, then you should take a look at what versions are being offered by current releases and pick you platform accordingly
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• 3075[20:28:00] <jelly> babilen: it could be said it's arrogant of a distro to think a platform doesn't exist just because they haven't shipped... ask any developer!
• 3076[20:28:05] <babilen> This might mean that you develop against Python 3.4 or that you target Ubuntu or one of the many other alternatives
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• 3078[20:28:42] <babilen> jelly: Make Ops and deployment people happy by developing against a platform that is easy to maintain is good
• 3079[20:29:00] <babilen> If that means that you have to switch to a different distribution, so be it
• 3080[20:29:11] <babilen> I mean .. pick one thing and arrange the rest around it
• 3081[20:29:15] <anddam> babilen: I don't expect to be using any 3.5 specific feature since I'm still moving from old 2.7 habits to 3.x
• 3082[20:29:23] <anddam> but it was nice to have the option
• 3083[20:29:29] <anddam> also I was suggested replaced-url
• 3084[20:29:53] <jelly> or that the distro is irrelevant, and devs just mix and match from pip (or maven or cpan or whatever)
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• 3087[20:31:12] <babilen> jelly: Sure, that's fine for modules, but you'd still run it on $something that ships a number of Python versions
• 3088[20:32:00] <babilen> Just trying to say: Don't just pick the newest version and make it impossible to shio your code without it if you can avoid it and thereby make it a *lot* easier to deploy your code
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• 3090[20:32:40] <anddam> babilen: in my case my goal is to play with new 3.5 features as well
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• 3095[20:33:24] <anddam> so I understand the point against "new shiny shit" but here that's actually part of the game
• 3096[20:33:58] <babilen> anddam: Then you definitely need Python 3.5 :)
• 3097[20:34:12] <babilen> (which is fair game and there's nothing wrong with it)
• 3098[20:34:36] <jelly> anddam: I hear ubuntu 16.04 LTS is nice this time of year
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• 3102[20:35:06] * anddam checks packages.ubuntu.com
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• 3104[20:35:12] <jelly> 3.5.1
• 3105[20:35:29] <jelly> anddam: replaced-url
• 3106[20:35:45] <babilen> Yeah, xenial is a decent pick
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• 3108[20:35:51] <anddam> mm I see
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• 3110[20:35:55] <anddam> and yep, they have an ubuntu image
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• 3114[20:36:26] <anddam> I may go with that, I never felt the need for it in like 10 years and stick with debian
• 3115[20:36:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> except that it's 'buntu
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• 3117[20:36:42] <anddam> thanks again
• 3118[20:36:55] <babilen> anddam: Ah, so this is on a VM?
• 3119[20:36:56] <jelly> they're not going to put py3.5 out of support
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• 3121[20:37:05] <anddam> yep
• 3122[20:37:05] <greycat> VPS, I believe.
• 3123[20:37:13] <`Kevin> do a local 3.5 build of python and use virtualenv :P
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• 3125[20:37:19] <anddam> and yes again
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• 3127[20:37:31] <babilen> anddam: If that's the case then just picking xenial might be the easiest option
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• 3132[20:38:57] * jelly is imagining resident distro fanbois with a big question mark above their heads right now
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• 3134[20:39:28] <anddam> "fanbois" has a French sound to it
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• 3138[20:39:55] <jelly> anddam: it's not read that way!
• 3139[20:40:22] <Coweater> stable seems to lack the 'systemd edit' command, how do i modify a unit manually?
• 3140[20:40:42] <anddam> thanks again, bye
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• 3142[20:40:55] <jelly> Coweater: make a copy from /lib/.../ to /etc/systemd/system and edit it, I guess
• 3143[20:41:18] <greycat> Coweater: create /etc/systemd/system/whatever.service with overrides for the specific values you want to override
• 3144[20:41:54] <jelly> also fun: mkdir /etc/systemd/system/whatever.service.d/ and put snippets there
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• 3147[20:43:02] <jelly> greycat: wait, isn't /etc/systemd/system/whatever.service a complete replacement for the system one
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• 3152[20:44:27] <greycat> I'd have to run some experiments. (Which would be faster than trying to find an answer in documentation.)
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• 3165[20:47:38] <jelly> probably documented on the archlinux wiki
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• 3183[20:50:44] <greycat> Just tested. Used cron.service because it's really small and simple, and I found a no-op option in the man page (-L 1 reinforced the default logging level).
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• 3188[20:50:57] <greycat> ~$ cat /etc/systemd/system/cron.service
• 3189[20:50:57] <greycat> [Service]
• 3190[20:50:57] <greycat> ExecStart=/usr/sbin/cron -L 1 -f $EXTRA_OPTS
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• 3192[20:51:18] <greycat> Did the daemon-reload, then restart cron, and it worked as I expected.
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• 3197[20:51:58] * jelly sits, corrected
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• 3200[20:52:47] <greycat> I think the /etc/systemd/system/foo.service.d/ option is there for situations where multiple programs might all want to make individual non-overlapping changes to the unit. Which seems uncommon.
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• 3225[20:58:17] <teraflops> yeah you put .conf snippets there to override or add new options
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• 3233[21:02:40] <d3lxa> I just installed debian testing on an embedded APU with serial console, grub OK, kernel OK, noise during services start (systemd?) NOT OK, prompt OK, here screenshot replaced-url
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• 3241[21:06:02] <missmbob> !tell d3lxa -about debian-next
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• 3252[21:09:05] <d3lxa> urgh sorry, I forgot, carry on then (:
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