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• 4[00:02:48] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, you're funny
• 5[00:03:17] <mtcj> Does anyone know how to disable and input even if it's I D changes
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• 9[00:04:28] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, what do you mean by general guide for how to write software for GNU/Linux?
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• 11[00:04:47] <mtcj> As in Xin put
• 12[00:05:00] <mtcj> Damn autocorrect
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• 15[00:06:44] <teraflops> mtcj: libinput? use names
• 16[00:07:18] <mtcj> Teraflops thank you I will look into it
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• 18[00:07:48] <teraflops> mtcj: as in `xinput set-prop 'ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad' 277 1` vs `xinput set-prop 12 277 1`
• 19[00:08:08] <mtcj> My name is exactly what I was looking for so that's perfect
• 20[00:08:20] <teraflops> the latter will fail
• 21[00:08:25] <teraflops> eventually
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• 23[00:09:03] <mtcj> Now I have a question, my situation is that the device goes to sleep end when it reconnects it uses a different I D
• 24[00:09:16] <teraflops> use the name not the id
• 25[00:09:30] <mtcj> Will that change be persistent even after the device disconnects and reconnects 26 go
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• 27[00:09:57] <Guest66603> Hi all
• 28[00:10:04] <Guest66603> I'm looking for a SNMP master
• 29[00:10:08] <teraflops> mtcj: use names :P replaced-url
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• 32[00:11:37] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: sort of a rundown.
• 33[00:11:47] <doubleJJ> as in - get build-essentials
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• 38[00:12:07] <doubleJJ> for interfacing with X window system you'll need libX11-dev (or whatever)
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• 40[00:12:21] <mtcj> teraflops: yeah but I was wondering about the persistence
• 41[00:12:42] <doubleJJ> or in case if windows you'd direct people to MSDN and Win32 APIs which generally expose the OS functionality
• 42[00:12:43] <mtcj> The names is good advice which I'll use but I wasn't sure about that part
• 43[00:12:46] <teraflops> use names since they do not chabge
• 44[00:12:53] <doubleJJ> as in' that's the API you write for
• 45[00:12:56] <teraflops> change*
• 46[00:13:13] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, so, C then?
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• 48[00:14:14] <xrogaan> because you have api and libraries everywhere
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• 50[00:14:23] <xrogaan> in all languages
• 51[00:14:41] <doubleJJ> yeah, but the OS interface is in C
• 52[00:14:52] <xrogaan> which part?
• 53[00:15:23] <doubleJJ> in case of windows it's Win32
• 54[00:15:23] <teraflops> mtcj: theres no workaround use the names is the same situation like using /dev/sda2 instead of using uuids in fstab
• 55[00:15:23] <doubleJJ> that's how you write software for windows
• 56[00:15:23] <xrogaan> teraflops, he quit
• 57[00:15:23] <doubleJJ> you write it against win32
• 58[00:15:23] <teraflops> ah
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• 60[00:15:23] <teraflops> :P
• 61[00:15:41] <doubleJJ> and then you have higher abstractions over that
• 62[00:15:50] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, well, you have GTK and QT as bit libraries
• 63[00:15:58] <xrogaan> big
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• 69[00:16:46] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: and those are on top of X windows system, right?
• 70[00:16:50] <xrogaan> they interface with the window manager, I reckon.
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• 72[00:17:32] <xrogaan> if you want to go dirty, you can start with x.org > replaced-url
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• 76[00:18:36] <Guest66603> Question about SNMP. Is it normal that when I try to snmpwalk my server, I only get like 50 OID?
• 77[00:19:13] <Guest66603> I'm trying to import new MIBs but it doesn't seem to work :-(
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• 79[00:19:55] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, but they themselves direct you towards GTK or QT if your aim is to write application for X
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• 81[00:20:12] <xrogaan> even though there are many other toolkit
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• 90[00:23:18] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: the abstraction level I need is API to get keyboard events(hotkeys) and API to manipulate window size/positions
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• 92[00:24:30] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, do I need to go in the x.org wiki for you and get some link?
• 93[00:24:31] <doubleJJ> it seems like the Xlib API is the right level of abstraction
• 94[00:24:55] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: naah, it's just all very confusing
• 95[00:25:10] <xrogaan> or XCV
• 96[00:25:13] <xrogaan> XCB sorry
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• 101[00:26:18] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: why is XCB replacing Xlib?
• 102[00:26:22] <doubleJJ> what's the history there?
• 103[00:27:00] <xrogaan> keep in mind that "linux" is just the kernel. Everything else are just lego parts that gravitate around it.
• 104[00:27:53] <xrogaan> I don't know
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• 106[00:27:59] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: that's exactly why a an overall "developers guide" seems necessary
• 107[00:28:09] <xrogaan> xlib is just very old
• 108[00:28:12] <doubleJJ> as there are multiple moving parts and no single API to write against
• 109[00:28:18] <doubleJJ> (maybe there is)
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• 111[00:28:54] <x86iac> if i comment out a .h include and there is no error when compiling - that is pretty good certainty that whatever is in it isn't used?
• 112[00:29:06] <doubleJJ> i mean X11 is not part of linux, but when writing desktop software - isnt it defacto part of it?
• 113[00:29:22] <doubleJJ> as in - you can reasonably expect the X windows system to be there
• 114[00:29:23] <xrogaan> because you can have other window manager
• 115[00:29:32] <xrogaan> or maybe you don't need a window manager
• 116[00:29:43] <doubleJJ> but is it built on top of something which I can rely on to be there?
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• 118[00:29:59] <doubleJJ> what are the parts that I can reliably expect to be there?
• 119[00:30:04] <doubleJJ> what's the foundation?
• 120[00:30:45] <xrogaan> that's why you want a guide for a distro, not general GNU/linux
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• 122[00:30:57] <xrogaan> because each distro as its quirk
• 123[00:31:21] <doubleJJ> the interesting parts are the parts which are shared between them
• 124[00:31:36] <doubleJJ> the parts you can - in one way or another - expect to have in most of distros
• 125[00:31:36] <xrogaan> yeah, and they differ in versions too.
• 126[00:32:18] <xrogaan> you know, like Jessie is set in stone until 2020? No major update should get into it.
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• 129[00:32:28] <doubleJJ> so that i can just git clone my tool, build it and expect it to work on 90% of the cases where some sort of windowing interface is there
• 130[00:32:58] <xrogaan> if the api doesn't break between version, sure.
• 131[00:33:38] <xrogaan> but you can't account for each flavors.
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• 133[00:33:56] <Guest66603> how do you add a MIB to your system? i'm trying to poll UCD-SNMP-MIB::ssCpuUser.0 for example. My SNMP is able to translate it
• 134[00:34:14] <Guest66603> but if i try to snmpget the OID, I get an error
• 135[00:34:27] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: not every, just the *mainstream* ones - the largest subset
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• 137[00:35:19] <xrogaan> well then, you got your job cut for you. But I'd suggest to build your stuff against one distro for starter then see if it work somewhere else.
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• 150[00:37:31] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, thing is, it's a bit confusing, because the data's everywhere. But at least it is quite well documented.
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• 154[00:39:56] <xrogaan> except for gnome
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• 216[01:17:20] <doubleJJ> replaced-url
• 217[01:17:28] <doubleJJ> LOL, this is just beautiful API design
• 218[01:17:30] <doubleJJ> my god
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• 242[01:33:40] <ug> hi, anyone else running sid get the prompt to uninstall vim while doing a `apt-get dist-upgrade`/`apt full upgrade`?
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• 248[01:34:35] <missmbob> ug: as those people
• 249[01:34:42] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 250[01:34:42] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 253[01:34:55] <ug> missmbob: thank you
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• 255[01:35:54] <ug> looks like I need an invite to that channel
• 256[01:36:21] <missmbob> ug no. you just need to read more carefully. it said it's on oftc, not freenode
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• 436[03:15:26] <__raven__> hi
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• 438[03:16:58] <RoyK> ho
• 439[03:17:09] <__raven__> clean install of debian 8 on a celeron 1007u based board with rtl8111/8168/8411 nic. i am not able to get network running. any idea?
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• 461[03:28:57] <jmcnaught> __raven__: what error messages are you getting?
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• 468[03:30:27] <__raven__> jmcnaught: none i just have no network. nic is not enabled
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• 470[03:31:27] <jmcnaught> __raven__: what have you done to configure networking?
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• 480[03:34:48] <__raven__> manually copied some fw files of a firmware-nonfree tar to lib/firmware/... but nothing happened
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• 485[03:37:02] <jmcnaught> __raven__: are you also troubleshooting this on OFTC under a different nick? also can you please show the output of "dmesg | grep -i firmware" and "lspci -nn | grep -i net" in a paste?
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• 489[03:37:22] <jmcnaught> please use replaced-url
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• 497[03:41:23] <doubleJJ> I've given up on Xlib
• 498[03:43:01] <spygrid> What happened to Seamonkey/IceApe/Mozilla Composer ? They seem to be missing in current repo.
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• 545[04:21:42] <polyzen> brexit
• 546[04:21:59] <polyzen> > people that use /exit
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• 564[04:31:30] <ripdisk> guys, which desktop enviroment in debian is the lightest?
• 565[04:31:35] <ripdisk> i mean super light weight
• 566[04:31:39] <ripdisk> it's on a micro PC
• 567[04:31:47] <ripdisk> ghome xfce cinnamon mate lxde
• 568[04:32:01] <spygrid> twm
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• 570[04:32:31] <xzgv> icewm, jwm
• 571[04:32:31] <ripdisk> that's not one of the options
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• 573[04:33:15] <ripdisk> out of gnome xfce kde cinnamon mate and lxde
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• 575[04:33:42] <xzgv> lxde
• 576[04:34:05] <ripdisk> ok thanks. i tried using debian desktop enviroment and it was literally too slow to work.
• 577[04:34:42] <xzgv> micropc -> window manager
• 578[04:35:04] <ripdisk> just on one of them. it's going under the TV to play movies, hopefully.
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• 581[04:37:30] <xzgv> i use icewm and html5 for movies - no flash
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• 583[04:38:54] <xzgv> jwm uses less ram
• 584[04:39:37] <RoyK> SpaceAce: haha
• 585[04:39:41] <RoyK> spygrid: haha
• 586[04:39:45] <RoyK> SpaceAce: sorry
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• 588[04:40:18] <RoyK> ripdisk: what sort of "micro pc"? cpu? memory?
• 589[04:41:44] <ripdisk> 3300MX-HAP
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• 592[04:42:45] <RoyK> I'd use a raspberry pi instead of one of those
• 593[04:43:13] <RoyK> 512MB RAM?
• 594[04:44:29] <tyracey> World jewry is in a mad dash to shut down internet activists who have been effectively exposing jewish criminality and initiating a movement to rid ourselves of jewish tyranny.
• 595[04:44:30] <tyracey> replaced-url
• 596[04:45:36] <jmcnaught> !ops tyracey racist conspiracy theory spam
• 597[04:45:36] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: tyracey racist conspiracy theory spam
• 598[04:46:04] <tyracey> jmcnaught, Mind-controlled golem.
• 599[04:46:35] <RoyK> tyracey: this isn't the right place to post political comments
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• 675[05:36:27] <prettyinseattle> World jewry is in a mad dash to shut down internet activists who have been effectively exposing jewish criminality and initiating a movement to rid ourselves of jewish tyranny.
• 676[05:36:30] <prettyinseattle> replaced-url
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• 692[05:43:14] <jim> jelly here still?
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• 697[05:46:10] <jim> anyway I had a question about the behavior of an x server... when there's nothing xlike besides the server installed, do you usually get a black screen and can't see mouse pointer, when the x server is actually set up properly? (used to be, you'd get a light grey screen, and an x pointer in that case)
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• 700[05:49:38] <pingfloyd> jim: I don't think you'll see anything without some sort of xclient running
• 701[05:50:03] <pingfloyd> jim: like if you only had xterm as your running xclient for instance, it would just be a full screen term an nothing else.
• 702[05:50:13] <pingfloyd> jim: and remember a WM is another xclient
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• 705[05:51:12] <pingfloyd> i.e., xclients run on a display on the xserver.
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• 710[05:51:52] <jim> didn't there used to be a way of saying somexserverexecutable xclientname and then have the x server run the client? (didn't find anything like that for Xorg)
• 711[05:52:11] <pingfloyd> you mean xinitrc?
• 712[05:52:33] <jim> that's a text file isn't it?
• 713[05:52:37] <pingfloyd> that's usually where you tell the xserver which xclients to invoke when it starts for you
• 714[05:52:47] <pingfloyd> yeah, a text file
• 715[05:52:49] <jim> oh, you mean start the clients in that file
• 716[05:53:39] <pingfloyd> there's the systemwide one under /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and then there is ~/.xinitrc
• 717[05:54:33] <jim> there used to be a .xsession which worked the same way... only you'd put the session controller last, and run it it the script's foreground
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• 720[05:55:24] <pingfloyd> but there is actually more than that involved in some cases. for example: ~/.config/xfce4/xinitrc
• 721[05:55:33] <meshugga> hey, is there a way to accellerate debugging a deb package, such that for example, the binaries are symlinks into the build dir?
• 722[05:55:49] <meshugga> so that i do not need to rebuild and install the debs every time?
• 723[05:56:18] <jim> well you probably need to get the lintian report on the packages
• 724[05:56:29] <pingfloyd> jim: there really is a ton and depends on how your environment is setup
• 725[05:56:55] <pingfloyd> really there is too many
• 726[05:57:28] <jim> ok, good enuf... thanks for reminding me of that one
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• 728[05:58:12] <pingfloyd> I pretty much have to go digging though /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* and /etc/X11/xinit/* and ~/.config/* when I want to change my X environment.
• 729[05:58:25] <jim> meshugga, well you would install it to test whether the package install works right (after all it's you who are authoring it)
• 730[05:58:41] <jim> meshugga, and you should also test the removal
• 731[05:59:23] <pingfloyd> meshugga: what I do, is symlink from the build/source dir to ~/bin (which is in my PATH)
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• 733[05:59:43] <pingfloyd> meshugga: (symlink the executables within the build/source dir I'm working with)
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• 735[06:00:05] <meshugga> pingfloyd: but manually, there is no deb magic for it?
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• 737[06:00:17] <pingfloyd> meshugga: this is usually how I do it with stuff I regularly git pull and compile
• 738[06:00:29] <pingfloyd> meshugga: I don't know
• 739[06:00:50] <pingfloyd> meshugga: I wouldn't think so, seems like the deb magic more applies to building packages themself
• 740[06:01:00] <meshugga> that's sad
• 741[06:01:03] <meshugga> but thanks for confirming
• 742[06:01:26] <pingfloyd> there's non-deb stuff for that though
• 743[06:01:30] <pingfloyd> like gnu stow
• 744[06:01:38] <meshugga> it's probably a kernel problem anyway
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• 746[06:01:43] <meshugga> pingfloyd: -v
• 747[06:01:44] <pingfloyd> and I think there's a few other alternatives to stow as well
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• 751[06:03:02] <pingfloyd> sounds like basically you're looking for a "symlink manager" of some sort
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• 757[06:05:44] <meshugga> pingfloyd: i'm looking for "make symlinkmagic", truth be told ;)
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• 761[06:06:23] <meshugga> i thought because this is a common problem there's already an obvious solution that comes with the deb build process
• 762[06:06:41] <meshugga> python has this for modules, you can install them symlinked and then edit them live
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• 764[06:07:01] <meshugga> which is a bit easier python being interpreted and all
• 765[06:07:05] <meshugga> but the principle would be the same
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• 768[06:08:29] <jim> that's all good for when you -just- want to make sure the executables work right
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• 770[06:08:51] <meshugga> jim: ?
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• 772[06:09:49] <jim> I'm just sorta repeating the earlier point, that the executables are not the only things you should test
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• 774[06:11:15] <meshugga> jim: yes, of course, this applies to sos to
• 775[06:11:20] <meshugga> *too
• 776[06:11:31] <meshugga> that's why i was asking
• 777[06:11:34] <meshugga> binaries are easy
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• 779[06:11:46] <meshugga> this = my question
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• 782[06:12:00] <meshugga> for binaries, substituting the path is actually doable
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• 786[06:12:41] <jim> yeah, that's all true
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• 788[06:13:13] <meshugga> lxc is costing me at least 100 hairs
• 789[06:13:22] <meshugga> insane that thing
• 790[06:13:30] <meshugga> does everything, but nothing reliably
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• 792[06:13:42] <jim> it's possible that for certain packages there's more testing to do
• 793[06:14:03] <meshugga> jim: if i get the faintest idea what's wrong, i'll just contribute this to the nearest maintainer
• 794[06:14:10] <meshugga> i'm not above letting others do the grunt work
• 795[06:14:13] <meshugga> ;)
• 796[06:14:40] <meshugga> but i need to figure out what's going on as this is one of those "only on some machines" problems from what i've gathered
• 797[06:14:51] <meshugga> the bug report is quite old too
• 798[06:15:06] <jmcnaught> meshugga: is this a package you're creating, or a Debian package that you're trying to fix?
• 799[06:15:15] <meshugga> jmcnaught: it's lxc
• 800[06:15:18] <meshugga> lxc-attach to be specific
• 801[06:15:22] <jim> very difficult to debug those
• 802[06:15:31] <meshugga> replaced-url
• 803[06:15:39] <jmcnaught> meshugga: the lxc package?
• 804[06:15:55] <meshugga> probably liblxc
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• 810[06:16:54] <meshugga> replaced-url
• 811[06:17:01] <meshugga> this is the ticket
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• 813[06:17:21] <meshugga> last activity in april
• 814[06:17:26] <meshugga> *sigh*
• 815[06:18:02] <meshugga> but nobody's using lxc unprivileged guests on jessie, and probably even less try to use lxc-attach with su
• 816[06:18:17] <jmcnaught> meshugga: that's reported against 2.0.0~rc15. jessie has 1.0.6
• 817[06:18:39] <jmcnaught> yeah i've never tried to use lxc-attach
• 818[06:18:40] <meshugga> jmcnaught: yes, you need to use backports to get any sort of sane setup
• 819[06:18:51] <meshugga> there's no unprivileged guests with 1.0
• 820[06:18:59] <meshugga> not working ones anyway
• 821[06:19:26] <meshugga> i just wanted to write a good puppet module
• 822[06:19:49] <meshugga> but there's soooo many undocumented bugs and features and edge cases
• 823[06:19:52] <meshugga> it's insane
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• 825[06:20:49] <jmcnaught> meshugga: oh, unprivileged containers work with the package in backports?
• 826[06:21:32] <jmcnaught> meshugga: also is the symlink stuff you were talking about earlier related to this lxc problem?
• 827[06:21:40] <spygrid> maybe su needs recompiled
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• 829[06:22:16] <spygrid> opensuse had a seperate su for X (sux)
• 830[06:22:31] <jmcnaught> meshugga: sounds like you might be looking for update-alternatives
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• 834[06:23:17] <meshugga> jmcnaught: there's a few gotchas
• 835[06:23:19] <meshugga> but yes, they work
• 836[06:23:44] <meshugga> jmcnaught: and yes, i was asking how i could re-roll and test lxc quickly
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• 840[06:24:24] <meshugga> and i was looking for something that's already done
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• 843[06:24:45] <meshugga> i can just symlink whatever changed after make
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• 846[06:25:13] <meshugga> just thought maybe i'm missing some go-to tool
• 847[06:25:17] <jmcnaught> meshugga: if you're looking to contribute any fixes you find back to Debian you could ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
• 848[06:25:32] <meshugga> jmcnaught: i'm actually in contact with the lxc maintainer for debian
• 849[06:25:34] <meshugga> thanks
• 850[06:25:49] <meshugga> i just don't want to bug him with trivialities all the time :)
• 851[06:25:51] <themill> ccache is the usual way of speeding up the build process
• 852[06:26:34] <Pendrag0n> So I know that with VIM there is a way to place a ".lvimrc" (preceding "L" for local) file in a directory, to have directory specific settings. Is there a way to do a similar thing for bashrc files? Maybe a ".lbashrc" I want to override my PS1 variable so that when I am in the dev/prod/live/demo/qa directories, the font can be color coded to match each sites skin, as a visual queue to what platform I'm in (as a measure to hel
• 853[06:27:27] <jmcnaught> Pendrag0n: you were truncated at 'a measure to hel'
• 854[06:27:54] <pingfloyd> I hate irc clients that do that
• 855[06:28:11] <Pendrag0n> (as a measure to help ensure I don't do something on LIVE I inded to do to Dev, or QA).
• 856[06:28:13] <themill> ,i direnv
• 857[06:28:14] <judd> Package direnv (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: Utility to set directory specific environment variables. Version: 2.4.0-2; Size: 566.8k; Installed: 2620k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 859[06:28:37] <Pendrag0n> Thanks themill
• 860[06:28:38] <themill> Pendrag0n: ^^ there's nothing native to bash but direnv does that for you
• 861[06:28:59] <Pendrag0n> sounds perfect
• 862[06:29:35] <Pendrag0n> I also utilize colorful tabs plugin, and keep the site skin, terminal fonts, and tabs all matching for each unique platform.
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• 864[06:30:25] <tom99> Pendrag0n: I will now install that plugin merely on the basis that you said you like it
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• 867[06:31:06] <Pendrag0n> lmao, just sharing tips
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• 871[06:32:01] <Pendrag0n> themill, I'll be reading all of this tonight, but just out of curriousity, do you know off hand if the settings applied from a .envrc file are recursively applied to child folders?
• 872[06:32:08] <jim> tom99, it could be a good idea to look into it further
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• 876[06:32:56] <themill> Pendrag0n: yes it is
• 877[06:33:08] <Pendrag0n> thanks themill, I'm all set.
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• 880[06:33:35] <themill> you can only set environment variables in there, not aliases or bash functions, unfortunately, but it's enough for most things
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• 882[06:35:00] <Pendrag0n> that's enough
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• 884[06:35:18] <Pendrag0n> I just want to set a specific $PS1
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• 902[06:47:39] <danni> hi, does anyone know which font wmsystemtray needs?
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• 904[06:47:56] <meshugga> replaced-url
• 905[06:48:00] <danni> the package itself does not list it as a dependency
• 906[06:48:11] <meshugga> any idea why /dev/tty behaves like that?
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• 911[06:51:30] <themill> meshugga: -c does not allocate a tty (check su(1) which talks specifically about that)
• 912[06:52:06] <meshugga> themill: thanks, that is huge help
• 913[06:53:00] <meshugga> themill: so how does software that needs to output stuff write to tty?
• 914[06:53:10] <meshugga> just stdout?
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• 920[06:56:13] <tom99> that's how I use gdb to debug programs, I run the program in one terminal window and redirect the program output to another
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• 4111[10:53:54] <spygrid> Anyone know of an ultra-smooth scrolling terminal?
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• 4152[11:17:00] <wowzersz> hi
• 4153[11:17:01] <wowzersz> hi
• 4154[11:17:02] <wowzersz> hi
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• 4181[11:27:14] <hanshenrik> is cgroups limits per member, or shared across all members? eg, if a cgroups has a memory limit of 200 MB, is it 200 MB per individual member, or 200 mb shared across all members?
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• 4184[11:28:19] <jasabella> hello
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• 4187[11:28:48] <jasabella> i'm running vbox as distributed by debian testing and i'm having trouble getting a network interface going
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• 4191[11:29:24] <jasabella> i have eth0 set up as 10.0.0.0/24 and it functions ok
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• 4194[11:30:04] <jasabella> but eth1 is setup to bridge /dev/wlp3s0 and dhcp fails to get an ip address
• 4195[11:30:49] <jasabella> i've tried setting a static address and that doesnt work either
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• 4199[11:33:43] <AlwaysHigh> does debian support any hd mirroring without raid controller?
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• 4202[11:33:58] <jasabella> my config replaced-url
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• 4206[11:36:30] <hanshenrik> jasabella, i did the same not long ago, but i used virtualbox.com's newest version distribution, haven't had any issues with VirtualBox 5.1.4; using virtual host-only network vboxnet too;
• 4207[11:36:56] <hanshenrik> err, virtualbox.org *
• 4208[11:37:06] <hanshenrik> on debian jessie
• 4209[11:37:08] <hanshenrik> x64
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• 4211[11:38:19] <hanshenrik> only complaint is that the virtualbox VMs are noticably slower than the VMWare VMs :/
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• 4215[11:40:20] <ransur0t> hanshenrik: have you tried kvm?
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• 4220[11:41:52] <oo_miguel> can I tell rsnaphot for some backups to be complete (not incermental)? Like having incrmental daily and weekly backups but foll monthly ones?
• 4221[11:41:55] <hanshenrik> ransur0t, well, virtualbox is configured to use "kvm paravirtualization interface" , does that count?
• 4222[11:42:03] <oo_miguel> s/foll/full
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• 4227[11:43:43] <jasabella> hanshenrik... yeah i'm using the debian testing copy, it's 5.1.4
• 4228[11:43:57] <hanshenrik> daw, kk
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• 4231[11:44:25] <ransur0t> not sure ...
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• 4252[11:58:39] <Andy80> hi, very generic apt security question: isn't unsafe (against DNS poisoning) to serve apt packages from http only? Is the use of the GPG key sign enough for security? And what if the GPG key itself has been downloaded from an http server? Thanks
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• 4262[12:04:14] <oo_miguel> Andy80: as long as you trust the SPG key, the sign is sufficient in general.
• 4263[12:04:20] <missmbob> Andy80: there are https mirrors if you're the paranoid type. mirrors.kernel.org being the biggest one
• 4264[12:04:20] <oo_miguel> s/SPG/GPG
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• 4268[12:05:01] <oo_miguel> Andy80: If you do not have the key / are not part of a web o trust. you could obtain the key from different locations and check if it matches
• 4269[12:06:16] <Andy80> oo_miguel: I forgot to mention "in case of third party packages". I trust the vendor itself, but they are distributing the GPG key through http instead of https, that's my point :/
• 4270[12:06:47] <missmbob> oh. third party is always an at your own risk type of thing.
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• 4272[12:07:23] <oo_miguel> Andy80: I agree that it would be insecure to download just the GPG key and the signed package from one single http site
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• 4278[12:08:58] <oo_miguel> Andy80: That is why keys itself can be signed. You can verify if a particular key has been signed by another key you already trust
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• 4280[12:10:26] <Andy80> oo_miguel: missmbob thanks for your help! I will contact this particular vendor and tell them to distribute the keys in a different way
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• 4288[12:17:11] <techitch> so if i'm running debian wheezy, it seems i have to turn on the expirimental repo to get glibc >=2.14, is there a major risk of my stuff breaking if i do this?
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• 4292[12:19:58] <missmbob> techitch: adding experimental to it is suicide. you're mixing something worse than sid into oldstable. dont do that
• 4293[12:20:09] <missmbob> !dontbreakdebian
• 4294[12:20:10] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is replaced-url
• 4295[12:20:54] <missmbob> techitch: upgrade to jessie, current stable. then you'll have it
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• 4298[12:23:55] <missmbob> !tell techitch -about wheezy->jessie
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• 4430[13:49:59] <techitch> hi missmbob - yeah i'm using openmediavault so it is wheezy for me unfortunately (unless i move to beta)
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• 4446[13:57:44] <imazighn> Am in the debian installer right now, does resizing a partion looses its data?
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• 4448[13:58:02] <imazighn> partition*
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• 4451[13:58:32] <petn-randall> imazighn: It shouldn't, but you should have backups anyway.
• 4452[13:58:41] <imazighn> I dnt have
• 4453[13:58:55] <imazighn> Anyone else?
• 4454[13:59:16] <petn-randall> Anyone else?
• 4455[13:59:45] <imazighn> This is a matter of life and death people common
• 4456[13:59:45] <djz88> it depends if u shrink it or extend it
• 4457[13:59:52] <imazighn> Extend it
• 4458[14:00:08] <petn-randall> imazighn: Then do backups, and then do the resizing.
• 4459[14:00:18] <imazighn> Shrinking will certainly drop data since its full
• 4460[14:00:30] <imazighn> I cant too much work
• 4461[14:00:44] <petn-randall> imazighn: Then apparently its not a live or death situation.
• 4462[14:00:45] <imazighn> And thid is the only pc available
• 4463[14:01:04] <djz88> imazighn: if it is only one partition on the disk and u didn t remove re-added other partitions it should be ok
• 4464[14:01:14] <petn-randall> imazighn: If you're too lazy to backup, then the data isn't important. Go ahead then.
• 4465[14:01:55] <imazighn> I have 2 parts djz i want to shrink the first to expand the second
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• 4467[14:02:18] <babilen> imazighn: do *not* create a new filesystem on it and you might want to use gparted (they have a live CD also) and create backups beforehand
• 4468[14:02:27] <babilen> In particular if this is a "life and death" situation
• 4469[14:02:37] <djz88> imazighn: what fs is on them?
• 4470[14:02:45] <imazighn> Ext4
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• 4472[14:03:17] <imazighn> U want me to loose years of searchong and game dev petn u cunt lol
• 4473[14:03:34] <petn-randall> *plonk*
• 4474[14:03:35] <imazighn> Will the data be erased or not
• 4475[14:03:37] <djz88> imazighn: AFAIK I wouldn t recommend messing with the start of the fs
• 4476[14:04:04] <imazighn> Oke how much does a standqrd debian system needs?
• 4477[14:04:17] <djz88> imazighn: desktop?
• 4478[14:04:26] <imazighn> With medium apps and libs installed
• 4479[14:04:29] <imazighn> Yea
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• 4481[14:04:45] <imazighn> Is 30gb good?
• 4482[14:04:50] <djz88> imazighn: should be
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• 4485[14:05:02] <imazighn> Oke thanks
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• 4488[14:05:26] * imazighn throws a chair at s random user and leaves
• 4489[14:05:29] <djz88> imazighn: I have 37G but 22g Free after 2 years
• 4490[14:05:53] <imazighn> you have any multimed apps installed?
• 4491[14:06:15] <petn-randall> imazighn: Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
• 4492[14:06:24] <petn-randall> !next
• 4493[14:06:25] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 4495[14:06:45] <djz88> imazighn: yes a lot
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• 4498[14:07:08] <imazighn> Doors doesnt actually moves without external forces in a physical world
• 4499[14:07:29] <imazighn> That typically applies in my game engine
• 4500[14:07:37] <imazighn> Relkt lol
• 4501[14:07:50] <imazighn> !loser
• 4502[14:07:50] <dpkg> hmm... loser is John *
• 4503[14:07:54] <imazighn> XD
• 4504[14:07:55] <Penix> is it school holidays somewhere in the world?
• 4505[14:08:10] <petn-randall> Penix: Or Kali put a new release out. Not sure yet which.
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• 4507[14:09:00] <petn-randall> Ah, it's the Kali 2016.2 release ...
• 4508[14:09:15] <kimN> hi guys. need help. i have a hybrid intel/nvidia laptop but I only want to use the nvidia card. the problem is I can't install nvidia driver because my system doesn't detect the nvidia gpu.
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• 4510[14:09:43] <petn-randall> kimN: Is it maybe disabled in the BIOS?
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• 4512[14:10:33] <babilen> optimus?
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• 4520[14:15:01] <babilen> dpkg: optimus
• 4521[14:15:01] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
• 4522[14:16:02] <babilen> There are also newer drivers in jessie-backports if required
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• 4526[14:19:12] <imazighn> Is thete a way to return a step in the debian installer
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• 4529[14:19:25] <imazighn> Cause i fucking missed something
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• 4537[14:23:46] <maziar> when i want to send mail from cli i get this error, why ? replaced-url
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• 4541[14:27:23] <lena> Try -t
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• 4560[14:39:23] <__raven_> jmcnaught: no i am just raven here :)
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• 4563[14:40:40] <__raven_> jmcnaught: output is not very much. first grep for firmwaare = nothing, second for net gives me "02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek .. RTL8111/8268/8411 PCIE GBIT..."
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• 4579[14:49:50] <xrogaan> err, how do I manage gnome-keyring?
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• 4581[14:50:04] <xrogaan> I installed lxde and I have no gui for that thing?
• 4582[14:50:08] <Fjorgynn> I don't know
• 4583[14:50:11] <Fjorgynn> what is gnome-keyring?
• 4584[14:50:40] <Fjorgynn> install gnome-keyring ?
• 4585[14:50:59] <Fjorgynn> p gnome-keyring - GNOME keyring services (daemon and tools)
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• 4587[14:51:27] <xrogaan> it's installed by default
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• 4589[14:51:40] <xrogaan> it's there to store your password for the different things on the desktop
• 4590[14:51:49] <xrogaan> but I have no idea how to manage that thing
• 4591[14:52:16] <xrogaan> it create files in ~/.local/share/keyrings
• 4592[14:52:16] <Fjorgynn> ok. I am only using keepass for storing my password
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• 4603[15:01:21] <pila> hello i have a hetzner.de root server with nvme software raid, but i want to use it with 2 separate nvme 'disks', how can i remove software raid and have 2 separate "disks"?
• 4604[15:01:26] <xrogaan> it is so useless
• 4605[15:01:46] <xrogaan> Why is it installed by default?
• 4606[15:02:00] <pila> i don't know and i hate it ...
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• 4608[15:02:19] <pila> i even would pay some bucks to get this shit removed :| can somebody help me please?
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• 4610[15:03:18] <xrogaan> pila, sorry, wasn't about you. I'm just ranting on gnome keyring
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• 4613[15:03:28] <lena> Get new hosting provider, pila
• 4614[15:04:01] <pila> yeah...
• 4615[15:04:29] <pila> is there no easy way to remove software raid? everything i found simply doesnt work :|
• 4616[15:04:39] <lena> Which os?
• 4617[15:04:47] <pila> debian
• 4618[15:04:50] <pila> latest
• 4619[15:04:56] <lena> Mmh
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• 4622[15:05:46] <lena> You tried mdadm?
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• 4625[15:06:56] <pila> yeah i found some guides for software raid removal but the nvme setup at hetzner is a bit different and i was not able to complete these guides
• 4626[15:07:18] <lena> Why?
• 4627[15:07:56] <xrogaan> alright, seahorse is what is needed apparently. Be warned to not install seahorse-adventures
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• 4630[15:09:13] <pila> lena: after i removed the raid (i thought so) i get the following info: from cat /proc/mdstat: Personalities : [raid1] unused devices: <none>
• 4631[15:10:02] <lena> do you have any partition manager program?
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• 4633[15:10:39] <pila> lena yeah fdisk
• 4634[15:11:10] <pila> fdisk -l shows only nvme1n* but nvme0n is not mentioned there
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• 4636[15:11:35] <lena> mdadm --remove <destination>
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• 4638[15:11:35] <xrogaan> apparently, seahorse is so modern that my old laptop can't manage its interface
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• 4641[15:11:54] <lena> Do this in rescue mode
• 4642[15:12:06] <pila> and what to enter for destination?
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• 4644[15:12:48] <lena> Hetzner shows /dev/md0
• 4645[15:12:58] <lena> Or /dev/md1
• 4646[15:13:03] <lena> Or /dev/md2
• 4647[15:13:11] <pila> yeah it has all three on a default config
• 4648[15:13:25] <pila> and this is what bugged me, all guides only had 2 entries
• 4649[15:13:47] <lena> Then: mdadm --stop <dest.>
• 4650[15:14:17] <lena> After that you should be able to Format the hdds
• 4651[15:14:20] <lena> mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda
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• 4653[15:14:35] <lena> And then do fdisk -l
• 4654[15:15:11] <pila> but its not sda or? its /dev/nvme0 and 1 or /dev/nvme0n1p1 ? or what ?
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• 4656[15:15:21] <pila> nvme0 nvme0n1p1 nvme0n1p3 nvme1n1 nvme1n1p2 nvme0n1 nvme0n1p2 nvme1 nvme1n1p1 nvme1n1p3
• 4657[15:15:37] <no_gravity> Time-Warp: Heya! We talked about WiFi yesterday. Remember?
• 4658[15:15:38] <lena> Yes
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• 4660[15:15:55] <lena> But That's probably the raid
• 4661[15:16:10] <lena> I don't know the exact raid config of hetzner
• 4662[15:16:15] <pila> oh okay, so i do /dev/sda now or /dev/nvme0?
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• 4666[15:17:01] <pila> mkfs.ext3: Device size reported to be zero. Invalid partition specified, or partition table wasn't reread after running fdisk, due to a modified partition being busy and in use. You may need to reboot to re-read your partition table.
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• 4668[15:17:42] <lena> pila: are you doing it in rescue mode?
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• 4670[15:17:50] <pila> yes
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• 4672[15:17:56] <pila> i booted into rescue system
• 4673[15:18:20] <pila> cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [raid1] unused devices: <none>
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• 4675[15:18:32] <lena> Weird
• 4676[15:18:42] <pila> yep...
• 4677[15:18:51] <Fjorgynn> yep
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• 4680[15:19:51] <pila> i'll quickly reinstall the system and try again
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• 4682[15:20:02] <wbx> hi.
• 4683[15:20:15] <lena> Do that
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• 4685[15:20:17] <Fjorgynn> hi
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• 4687[15:20:56] <wbx> is it really true that I can not sell a customized Ubuntu and should better go back to Debian?
• 4688[15:21:23] <Fjorgynn> can not sell?
• 4689[15:21:34] <Fjorgynn> You should not sell GNU/Linux at all
• 4690[15:21:45] <babilen> Why not?
• 4691[15:21:54] <wbx> i mean if my company is selling a appliance with GNU/Linux as base operating system.
• 4692[15:22:07] <17SAA4JYG> that is allowed
• 4693[15:22:10] <17SAA4JYG> afaik
• 4694[15:22:12] <wbx> Fjorgynn: why I shouldn't ? it is not about money, but about freedom.
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• 4696[15:22:29] <Fjorgynn> anyway. Read Ubuntu Canonical terms of service
• 4697[15:22:48] <babilen> (and ask in #ubuntu about that)
• 4698[15:22:53] <wbx> i have read it right now.
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• 4700[15:23:09] <wbx> okay then. is debian 8 supported until 2020, with LTS?
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• 4702[15:23:57] <babilen> You can find information about that on replaced-url
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• 4704[15:24:02] <lena> Freedom?
• 4705[15:24:08] <babilen> (and there's #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net)
• 4706[15:24:20] <lena> Paying money for something has Nothing to do with freedom
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• 4709[15:25:18] <wbx> lena: so every software must be without getting any payment in your world?
• 4710[15:25:34] <lena> Exactly
• 4711[15:25:51] <wbx> i always thought free software is about getting the source and the freedom to change it.
• 4712[15:26:02] <lena> Yeah
• 4713[15:26:14] <lena> But you can't seel the code from other people
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• 4715[15:26:29] <wbx> if I use free software and add some commercial software on top, I can charge for support and license for the system.
• 4716[15:26:30] <lena> No matter how much you modified it
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• 4719[15:26:37] <lena> No
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• 4721[15:26:40] <lena> You can't
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• 4723[15:26:54] <lena> It's still under the GNU license
• 4724[15:26:58] <wbx> lena: i really think that is bullshit. Have you read the GPL?
• 4725[15:27:09] <zykotick9> wbx: s/commercial/proprietary/ <- free software can be commercial...
• 4726[15:27:14] <lena> It isnt
• 4727[15:27:22] <babilen> Absolutely
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• 4729[15:27:52] <babilen> You also have to differentiate between "open" and "free"
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• 4732[15:28:21] <lena> You need to write a new os
• 4733[15:28:26] <lena> With your own kernel
• 4734[15:28:32] <wbx> so you really want to say, I can't install debian with java, tomcat and add a java app, and sell this complete system to a customer and get pai for it, without infringement of a copyright?
• 4735[15:28:45] <babilen> Either way, you can charge money for services rendered. It's also common to pay for certain linux distributions or, rather, a box with CDs and handbooks and maybe support on top
• 4736[15:28:49] <_sh00p> i'm quite sure you can sell a product, that uses GNU/Linux as it's OS
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• 4738[15:28:57] <babilen> You can
• 4739[15:29:19] <wbx> _sh00p: at least you are one wisdom chatter ;)
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• 4741[15:29:39] <lena> Yes you can sell your service
• 4742[15:29:39] <wbx> it is getting really funny :)
• 4743[15:29:48] <lena> But not the os
• 4744[15:29:49] * zykotick9 notes, someware you can't sell - isn't free. MAME changed this a while ago, and next debian release will be in main, vs. non-free
• 4745[15:30:03] <_sh00p> you might have to share the source of your commercial software, depending on what libs it uses and what licenses these libs come under
• 4746[15:30:04] <babilen> You will have to make source code available if you make changes to software which license requires that when you distribute it, you have to include licenses and whatnot .. but nothing stops you from using open source software for commercial projects
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• 4748[15:30:25] <wbx> lena: I can sell my support, I can sell my software and I can sell Debian with it. as long as I give my customer all code and any customization to the code used in Debian.
• 4749[15:30:29] <babilen> But then, this is a complex question that really depends on the licenses in question
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• 4751[15:30:39] <babilen> wbx: indeed
• 4752[15:31:14] <lena> It is much easier to sell services
• 4753[15:31:15] <wbx> _sh00p: not if all libs are licensed under LGPL, Boost or BSD.
• 4754[15:31:34] <wbx> lena: that's not my question and problem.
• 4755[15:31:34] <_sh00p> indeed wbx, like I said, depending on what licenses the libs use
• 4756[15:31:48] <wbx> I just wnt to convince my company to switch from ubuntu to debian.
• 4757[15:32:00] <_sh00p> LGPL and BSD are convenient like that, maybe apache license also
• 4758[15:32:04] <lena> Then do that
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• 4760[15:32:20] <wbx> yeah. just want to know if i get good LTS support.
• 4761[15:32:27] <petn-randall> wbx: One good selling argument is that only 10% of Ubuntu get actual commercial security support.
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• 4763[15:33:00] <wbx> petn-randall: what that means? they do less security updates?
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• 4765[15:33:27] <wbx> don't get me wrong, I am a debian user since debian potato. i use it on my own systems.
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• 4767[15:33:54] <wbx> just want to get rid of ubuntu in my daily work environment.
• 4768[15:33:54] <lena> Me too <2
• 4769[15:34:01] <lena> <3
• 4770[15:34:07] <lena> I lobe debian
• 4771[15:34:11] <_sh00p> where I work we use debian, but we can maintain our systems ourselves, if one is looking for commercial support one might wanna consider redhat
• 4772[15:34:12] <lena> *love
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• 4775[15:34:44] <wbx> we don't require commercial support, just security updates to make customers happy.
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• 4777[15:35:46] <jelly> wbx: it means only the packages from ubuntu "main" get any promise of support, the stuff in universe and multiverse, you're basically on your own
• 4778[15:35:54] <petn-randall> wbx: Only main and universe get proper security support, and restricted/multiverse, which makes 90% of the packages, only get community support. And that hasn't always been great.
• 4779[15:36:28] <jelly> petn-randall: not even universe afaiui, and "community support" is a laugh
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• 4782[15:37:33] <petn-randall> jelly: Had first hand experience with it and I fully agree.
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• 4792[15:44:24] <petn-randall> !tell apb1963_ about away
• 4793[15:45:18] <babilen> nickchanges are fine
• 4794[15:46:42] <petn-randall> Ah, ok then.
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• 4806[16:01:34] <xrogaan> are they?
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• 4812[16:03:19] <doshEater> i.... need help upgrading my box from jessie to sid using apt-transport-tor
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• 4814[16:04:00] <doshEater> i'm getting "cannot complete socks5 connection to 0.0.0.0:0" errors after downloading the signatures
• 4815[16:04:10] <doshEater> it seems like I can download the signatures but not the package lists
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• 4817[16:04:34] <petn-randall> !bat
• 4818[16:04:35] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 4819[16:05:23] <doshEater> ok
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• 4824[16:07:24] <han-solo> !amd64
• 4825[16:07:24] <dpkg> amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
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• 4829[16:08:13] <doshEater> why mention that han-solo ?
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• 4831[16:08:19] <doshEater> this is in a schroot btw
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• 4834[16:08:58] <han-solo> oh! sorry, i was just checking
• 4835[16:09:07] <AlexPortable> How can I run python3 pip on debian?
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• 4837[16:09:16] <han-solo> no anything related to the current conversation
• 4838[16:09:25] <han-solo> doshEater: sorry
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• 4841[16:10:28] <themill> AlexPortable: install the python3-pip package
• 4842[16:10:46] <AlexPortable> themill: i did
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• 4844[16:11:07] <AlexPortable> how to run it?
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• 4846[16:11:14] <babilen> AlexPortable: What did you try?
• 4847[16:11:25] <han-solo> pip3 install <package>?
• 4848[16:11:26] <roadrunneratwast> hey all i want to make a VM of Debian 3.2.35-2 x86_64. where do i get an ISO?
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• 4850[16:11:53] <petn-randall> ,kernels
• 4851[16:11:54] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1+s1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
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• 4853[16:12:41] <AlexPortable> han-solo: babilen pip3: command not found
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• 4855[16:12:50] <petn-randall> roadrunneratwast: There's no current release with that kernel version. Why do you need an outdated kernel?
• 4856[16:12:56] <AlexPortable> python3 -m pip install
• 4857[16:12:56] <AlexPortable> /usr/bin/python3: No module named pip.__main__; 'pip' is a package and cannot be directly executed
• 4858[16:13:26] <babilen> AlexPortable: Try "/usr/bin/pip3 --version", "whereis pip3" and ....
• 4859[16:13:29] <babilen> nvm
• 4860[16:13:43] <AlexPortable> file or folder doesnt exists
• 4861[16:13:45] <babilen> AlexPortable: Did you try "pip3 --help" ?
• 4862[16:13:52] <AlexPortable> whereis pip3
• 4863[16:13:52] <AlexPortable> pip3:
• 4864[16:14:07] <AlexPortable> $ pip3 --help
• 4865[16:14:08] <AlexPortable> pip3: command not found
• 4866[16:14:18] <babilen> AlexPortable: Okay, could you paste the output of "dpkg -l python3-pip|tail -n1" ?
• 4867[16:14:37] <AlexPortable> ii python3-pip 1.1-3 all alternative Python package installer - Python 3 version of the package
• 4868[16:15:06] <AlexPortable> /usr/bin/pip-3.2/
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• 4870[16:15:13] <babilen> That's wheezy, isn't it?
• 4871[16:15:16] <AlexPortable> 7
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• 4875[16:15:56] <babilen> Ah, yeah .. wheezy didn't ship pip3, but pip-3.2
• 4876[16:16:04] <han-solo> can you do pip3.2 --help?
• 4877[16:16:15] <babilen> It's pip-3.2
• 4878[16:16:22] <AlexPortable> pip3.2: command not found
• 4879[16:16:24] <han-solo> oh!
• 4880[16:16:25] <babilen> ...
• 4881[16:16:28] <AlexPortable> sorry forgot the dash
• 4882[16:16:29] <han-solo> what babilen said
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• 4884[16:16:34] <AlexPortable> yeah help works
• 4885[16:16:40] <babilen> There you go then
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• 4888[16:17:27] <roadrunneratwast> I am trying to build a vm to mirror a server running debian 3.2.25-2. the only version i can find to download is debian 8.5.0 . what do i do?
• 4889[16:17:30] <AlexPortable> replaced-url
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• 4891[16:17:38] <babilen> dpkg: pastebin.com
• 4892[16:17:38] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
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• 4894[16:18:04] <babilen> AlexPortable: And please mention it next time when you are not running the current stable release. The assumption is that you do if you don't clarify that specifically.
• 4895[16:18:12] <babilen> ta
• 4896[16:18:13] <AlexPortable> i dont know what release im on
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• 4898[16:18:21] <petn-randall> roadrunneratwast: Responding to my questions would help.
• 4899[16:18:32] <roadrunneratwast> oh sorry
• 4900[16:18:35] <roadrunneratwast> i missed them
• 4901[16:18:41] <petn-randall> roadrunneratwast: There's no current release with that kernel version. Why do you need an outdated kernel?
• 4902[16:19:12] <babilen> AlexPortable: "cat /etc/debian_version" typically tells you
• 4903[16:19:15] <AlexPortable> replaced-url
• 4904[16:19:28] <themill> AlexPortable: real commands and full output are better
• 4905[16:19:32] <babilen> AlexPortable: People are very reluctant to look at pastebin.com links
• 4906[16:19:44] <AlexPortable> why?
• 4907[16:19:53] <babilen> See above
• 4908[16:20:05] <AlexPortable> mangles input?
• 4909[16:20:11] <AlexPortable> no ads, no captcha
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• 4911[16:20:27] <AlexPortable> the command: pip-3.2 install -r requirements.txt --user --upgrade
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• 4914[16:21:18] <roadrunneratwast> petn-randall . i don't know if i do. my concern is this: i want to make a debian installation that will mirror the installation on a server i run whcih is debian 3.5. so i just don't want any weird package dependency problems. like i am usually an ubuntu user and ubuntu packages its releases with different versions of python, for example. i am a first time debian user
• 4915[16:21:18] <__raven__> would be possible to bring this machine to network in less than an hour from now on
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• 4917[16:21:36] <themill> AlexPortable: if you want a workable python 3 stack then you'd be better off with the current release of debian
• 4918[16:21:36] <__raven__> it is still completely non functional after a clean net install
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