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14 [00:05:33] <climjark> hello all
15 [00:05:41] <climjark> what is everyone up to?
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18 [00:06:04] <missmbob> !ot
19 [00:06:04] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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26 [00:08:14] <Biganon> Hi ; is it bad to do apt-get update without apt-get upgrade after ? I know on archlinux it's bad to do -Sy (and not -Syu)
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28 [00:08:24] <Biganon> (pacman -Sy*)
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30 [00:08:52] <Biganon> a problem known as "partial upgrades"
31 [00:09:16] <digdilem> Biganon, nah, update just updates apt's database, it doesn't apply any changes
32 [00:09:38] <Biganon> but doesn't that mean to having a mix of old and new packages on your machine, possibly in conflict ?
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34 [00:09:54] <maxcell_> Biganon, aptget update just update your database of programs and actualization, nothing really change on the system until you run apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade
35 [00:10:04] <digdilem> no, because you're not installing any different packages until you upgrade, dist-upgrade or install something
36 [00:10:18] <Biganon> weird, I don't understand why it's problematic with arch
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38 [00:10:53] <Biganon> oh this paragraph explains it I think
39 [00:10:56] <Biganon> replaced-url
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46 [00:15:49] <crayon> i have a debian VM with two nics, eth0 and eth1. eth0 is DHCP and eth1 is NAT (where the host is running a VPN). for some reason i cant ssh to intranet addresses. any ideas why?
47 [00:16:22] <petn-randall> crayon: Are you trying to ssh from the host machine?
48 [00:16:26] <crayon> if i send eth0 down, it works but i need this guest to retain eth0
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51 [00:16:32] <crayon> no, from the debian vm
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55 [00:17:07] <petn-randall> crayon: To which intranet addresses?
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58 [00:17:24] <crayon> just a bastion host internal to my lan
59 [00:17:37] <crayon> it works fine on the host and fine with eth0 down and eth1 up
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61 [00:17:45] <crayon> but not when bothe eth0 and eth1 are up
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63 [00:18:11] <crayon> the VPN running on the host provides this connectivity but i thought it should fail on eth0 and then hand-off to eth1, no?
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65 [00:18:35] <petn-randall> crayon: How is eth0 (VM) set up to connect to on the host system?
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69 [00:19:10] <crayon> it has a direct wire
70 [00:19:20] <crayon> so DHCP
71 [00:19:36] <crayon> bridged directly to the wire though
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73 [00:19:50] <petn-randall> crayon: So it's bridge to the host interface? Does it get an IP via DHCP?
74 [00:20:01] <petn-randall> *bridged
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76 [00:20:15] <crayon> yep and it can browser the internet just fine
77 [00:20:32] <petn-randall> crayon: Even if you turn off eth1?
78 [00:20:36] <crayon> yes
79 [00:20:48] <petn-randall> crayon: Any firewall on the host?
80 [00:20:52] <crayon> none
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82 [00:21:29] <petn-randall> crayon: What does 'brctl show' output on the host?
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84 [00:22:17] <crayon> brctl: No such operation show
85 [00:22:40] <petn-randall> crayon: What host distro are you running?
86 [00:22:45] <crayon> osx
87 [00:22:58] <petn-randall> oh, no idea then.
88 [00:23:13] <crayon> doh'
89 [00:23:16] <petn-randall> crayon: There must be something on your host that is blocking the traffic.
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91 [00:23:39] <crayon> i disagree but im curious why you think that
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95 [00:25:40] <crayon> the host seems fine, after-all.. ive tested with eth0 and eth1 both up/down down/up and it works as its supposed to but up/up eth0 takes priority and doesnt hand off to eth1 when it fails
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143 [00:51:21] <win32user> hi all, i installed Debian how do i switch between desktop environments that i chose to install
144 [00:51:36] <galex-713> How
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146 [00:51:45] <galex-713> What do start gpg-agent under Debian?
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152 [00:53:50] <missmbob> win32user: in the login window you'll see a little spin wheel thing. click on that and pick what you want
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155 [00:55:26] <win32user> missmbob thank you
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168 [01:01:17] <tabakhase> backports server seems insaaanely slow for me...
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227 [01:30:23] <Somelauw> Biganon: on stable it's not problematic since packages only get bugfixes, on sid it might give you problems
228 [01:31:48] <win32user> how do i change the resolution in debian i cannot find it anywhere
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252 [01:48:38] <Somelauw> win32user: xrandr in terminal or arandr in window
253 [01:48:45] <tom99> what's the fast way to get source code for installed packages?
254 [01:48:58] <tom99> i have a commented out line for a debian source repo in my /etc/sources.list too
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257 [01:49:49] <tom99> it's a line that says deb repo-name main contrib. then the next line says deb-src repo-name main contrib
258 [01:49:51] <zykotick9> tom99: "apt-get source foo"
259 [01:50:22] <zykotick9> tom99: you might want to be in a sub-directory
260 [01:50:28] <tom99> it says unable to get a source package for nano
261 [01:50:43] <zykotick9> lol, vim was my test
262 [01:50:44] <tom99> the deb-src repo is security though
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264 [01:51:04] <tom99> security.debian.org is the repo name
265 [01:51:08] <tom99> do i need a different repo?
266 [01:51:17] <zykotick9> yes the main repo
267 [01:51:23] <tom99> like deb-src ftp.debian.org/debian
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269 [01:51:36] <tom99> er ftp.us.debian.org/debian
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271 [01:51:46] <zykotick9> dpkg: tell tom99 about sources
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273 [01:52:17] <zykotick9> tom99: be sure the main one also has a deb-src line uncommented/added
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280 [01:54:19] <tom99> what's the difference between jessie main and jessie-updates main?
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283 [01:55:47] <jmcnaught> !jessie-updates
284 [01:55:47] <dpkg> jessie-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates will be included in point releases. replaced-url
285 [01:55:53] <tom99> Hmm i'm using wheezy and the line says testing main contrib non-free
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288 [01:56:26] <tom99> ah so jessie/updates is security and jessie-updates is general updates
289 [01:56:28] <HeXiLeD> dpkg --purge or apt-get remove or auto remove all get this result. replaced-url
290 [01:56:28] * dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up or apt-get remove or auto remove all get this result. replaced-url
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292 [01:56:45] <jmcnaught> tom99: is it a deb-src line that says testing, or a deb line?
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295 [01:56:53] <tom99> deb
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297 [01:56:59] <tom99> so should i add that as a deb-src line?
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300 [01:57:15] <jmcnaught> tom99: you absolutely should not have a deb line for testing on a stable system
301 [01:57:24] <jmcnaught> !show sources.list
302 [01:57:24] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
303 [01:57:37] <jmcnaught> tom99: could you do that please? ^^^
304 [01:57:54] <tom99> paste.debian.net/811498
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307 [01:58:08] <tom99> oh i didn't see all that
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309 [01:58:23] <tom99> that's my /etc/apt/sources.list
310 [01:58:25] <tom99> as it is now
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312 [01:58:56] <zykotick9> :(
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315 [01:59:18] <tom99> I guess my /etc/apt/sources.list.d is empty
316 [01:59:25] <jmcnaught> tom99: perhaps you could also add the output of "apt-cache policy" to your paste. You may have a frankendebian system from the sound of it
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319 [01:59:49] <tom99> jmcnaught: probably, I just added things to that file that people here told me to without knowing what I was doing
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321 [02:00:04] <jmcnaught> tom99: replaced-url
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324 [02:00:36] <jmcnaught> tom99: anyone who tells you it's okay to install from testing or unstable on a stable system doesn't know what they're talking about
325 [02:00:50] <tom99> paste.debian.net/811499
326 [02:00:57] <tom99> jmcnaught: ok
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329 [02:02:03] <jmcnaught> tom99: it looks to me like you have a testing system. how long have you had that testing line in sources.list? What does "apt-cache policy libc6" say?
330 [02:03:10] <tom99> paste.debian.net/811500
331 [02:03:45] <jmcnaught> tom99: please don't remove the replaced-url
332 [02:03:58] <tom99> I added the deb-src line just now
333 [02:04:06] <tom99> oh sorry jmcnught
334 [02:04:12] <tom99> replaced-url
335 [02:04:22] <jmcnaught> ,v libc6
336 [02:04:23] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.19-18+deb8u6; stretch: 2.23-5; sid: 2.24-2
337 [02:04:23] <tom99> I'm in a virtualmachine so I have to type out every command output here
338 [02:04:58] <jmcnaught> tom99: so you have a libc6 from jessie, but not a recent one. And you have both wheezy and testing in your sources.list
339 [02:05:00] <tom99> yeah I had jessie as a repo in there for awhile
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341 [02:05:17] <tom99> like I said I just type in whatever someone in here told me to
342 [02:05:38] <jmcnaught> tom99: you need to remove the lines for testing. And then you should check the release notes for jessie on how to complete the upgrade from wheezy->jessie: replaced-url
343 [02:06:03] <tom99> hmm well i was gonna just delete it and install jessie to begin with
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345 [02:06:12] <tom99> but i can try that
346 [02:06:14] <jmcnaught> tom99: well like i said, who ever told you to add a line for testing doesn't know what they're talking about
347 [02:06:23] <tom99> is testing the same as unstable?
348 [02:06:29] <tom99> i forget the difference
349 [02:06:48] <zykotick9> about 2 weeks ;)
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351 [02:07:15] <tom99> oh ok yeah it says here packages are tested in unstable
352 [02:07:23] <tom99> then when they aren't too bad they are put into debian testing
353 [02:07:31] <jmcnaught> tom99: replaced-url
354 [02:07:55] <tom99> Debian testing is the current development state of the next stable Debian distribution. It is also made available under the code name of the next stable release, i.e. stretch
355 [02:08:17] <tom99> so wheezy testing is the same as the initial jessie release or something?
356 [02:08:18] <jmcnaught> some people use testing and unstable on their personal computers (not on servers) but it requires some Debian knowledge to be able to maintain it
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358 [02:09:03] <tom99> well while i'm on what i have now, is there a way to get source packages?
359 [02:09:10] <tom99> I just added that line about deb-src i don't know if it will work?
360 [02:09:29] <jmcnaught> tom99: fix your sources.list so it points at jessie, not at testing
361 [02:09:49] <tom99> well i had that before and it wanted to download a gigabyte of updates or something
362 [02:09:55] <zykotick9> tom99: you really should try jmcnaught suggestion above... or reinstall... your systems kinda a mess right now...
363 [02:10:05] <tom99> would that be absolutely necessary if i just want to download a source package?
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365 [02:10:16] <tom99> yeah i'm going to reinstall
366 [02:10:32] <tom99> just curious if i could do it on my system now i wanted to see the source code of nano
367 [02:10:33] <jmcnaught> tom99: it should look like the example on this page: replaced-url
368 [02:10:56] <zykotick9> tom99: "apt-get source foo" will download the source stuff into the current directory. you don't even need sudo!
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370 [02:11:34] <zykotick9> tom99: ^ once you have a working deb-src line for the main repo...
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372 [02:11:48] <tom99> zykotick: that seems to not be the case as apt-get source nano gives an error
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374 [02:12:05] <tom99> oh wait
375 [02:12:12] <tom99> let me try apt-get update
376 [02:12:19] <tom99> i have to do that after modifying /etc/apt/sources.list right?
377 [02:12:19] <zykotick9> tom99: that's because your source.list is "all messed up" deb-src is really the LEAST of your current issues...
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379 [02:13:26] <jmcnaught> tom99: yeah really, fix your broken system first, then worry about how to download source packages after
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382 [02:13:39] <zykotick9> tom99: <sidenote> on irc you can use TAB completion for nicks z - y - k - TAB
383 [02:13:40] <tom99> Err replaced-url
384 [02:13:42] <tom99> 404 error
385 [02:14:12] <jmcnaught> tom99: look at the example on the wiki page i linked you to, make it look like that.
386 [02:14:12] <tom99> so I guess it's not a source repository
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389 [02:14:48] <zykotick9> ft.us <- is that right?
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393 [02:18:55] <tom99> what?
394 [02:19:27] <tom99> oh I got it to work yay.
395 [02:19:48] <tom99> I had to change the line that said ftp.us.debian.org testing/contrib Sources
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397 [02:19:59] <tom99> to be ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing/contrib Sources
398 [02:20:04] <tom99> sorry for omitting the replaced-url
399 [02:20:45] <tom99> anyway it found the file and downloaded it, but failed to install because dpkg-source isn't a valid command
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401 [02:21:28] <tom99> and apt-get install dpkg-source doesn't work either
402 [02:21:46] <tom99> i guess at this point I have no choice but to just go to jessie
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406 [02:25:51] <tom99> does anybody know what dpkg-source is?
407 [02:25:55] <tom99> i googled and just got a man page
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413 [02:28:14] <HeXiLeD> what provides glib-2.0 ? i thought it was libglib2 but seems aunable to locate with apt
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423 [02:30:07] <abrotman> HeXiLeD: if you're trying to compile, you probably want the -dev packages
424 [02:30:15] <HeXiLeD> yah compile
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428 [02:31:38] <HeXiLeD> might be this one libdbus-glib2.0-cil-dev
429 [02:31:57] <lurkashf1ake> Hi. Tomorrow I'll get my first big-ass server. I am going to cut it in 3 KVM. In the debian's KVM's doc it says: "Since the guest has no network connection yet, you will need to use the GUI". I believe the server is headless though (will veify that in a sec), would the automated install do the job without GUI? Anyway... who want to use GUI to setup a server :p
430 [02:32:31] <jmcnaught> HeXiLeD: more likely to be libglib2.0-dev
431 [02:32:50] <jmcnaught> HeXiLeD: all packages have descriptions too
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435 [02:33:49] <jmcnaught> lurkashf1ake: libvirt (the way most people use KVM) has the ability to show a serial console using the virsh command, you don't need a GUI
436 [02:34:11] <jmcnaught> lurkashf1ake: investing time in an automated install would be well spent regardless
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441 [02:35:00] <lurkashf1ake> Which way would teach me better; automated or manual?
442 [02:35:30] <bazhang> teach you what
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444 [02:35:40] <lurkashf1ake> how KVM work
445 [02:35:56] <bazhang> reading the docs is the best
446 [02:35:56] <lurkashf1ake> well maybe it's realy straight forward never tryed
447 [02:36:01] <lurkashf1ake> you are right
448 [02:36:18] <lurkashf1ake> so doc and atomated thank you guys I am nothing libvirt
449 [02:36:28] <HeXiLeD> confirmed: libglib2.0-dev (thanks)
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451 [02:37:09] <lurkashf1ake> noting*
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454 [02:37:38] <jmcnaught> lurkashf1ake: you will need to be familiar with manually installing debian and how the package manager works and other systems like debconf, but like i said learning how to automated installs will not be time wasted
455 [02:38:28] <lurkashf1ake> I don't even know if debian use syslog or systemctl... ya I will add reading the actual doc of debian before the rest haha
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457 [02:38:39] <lurkashf1ake> s/systemctl/systemd/
458 [02:39:25] * zykotick9 thinks the answer is both...
459 [02:39:32] <jmcnaught> lurkashf1ake: systemctl is a command line too for systemd. syslog is a logging facility, which is used on debian in tandem with journald
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467 [02:40:37] <lurkashf1ake> jmcnaught: should I add reading the doc on linux to my checklist too or should I do okay?
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470 [02:41:02] <jmcnaught> lurkashf1ake: always read the docs if you take learning seriously
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472 [02:41:07] <lurkashf1ake> I now believe that systemd isn't related to the logging package as of journalcd
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474 [02:41:13] <jmcnaught> read all the docs you can
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478 [02:41:44] <lurkashf1ake> while we are at it what do you think about the red hat server linux course?
479 [02:41:59] <lurkashf1ake> jmcnaught: do people actualy buy certificate or learn by themself?
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481 [02:42:18] <jmcnaught> lurkashf1ake: ##linux might be a better place to ask about that, or #debian-offtopic. Here we try to focus on Debian technical support.
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536 [03:33:12] <n-iCe> guys, what do you think about q4os?
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572 [03:47:24] <HeXiLeD> i am stuck here: Removing binfmt-support replaced-url
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612 [04:10:52] <random_numbers> So, I'm having trouble activating my second screen. It's plugged into my motherboard yet reads as 'disconnected'.
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641 [04:30:02] <awal1> random_numbers, is your 2º screen detected at during boot or when you switch to ttyX?
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654 [04:39:02] <DeaDSouL> hi, when doing `aptitude safe-upgrade` ... sometimes it says: "Current status: 2663 new [+44]." .... what are those numbers ? the '2663' and '+44' ?
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658 [04:43:00] <tx> 2663 packages
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660 [04:43:06] <tx> 44 new to be installed?
661 [04:43:09] <tx> / upgrdaed
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713 [05:23:52] <Howdy> Folks just download reemmina but get 2 cursors
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715 [05:24:01] <Howdy> anyway to fix that
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722 [05:30:34] <binaryc> sb /goto 1
723 [05:30:37] <binaryc> sb /goto 2
724 [05:30:39] <binaryc> sb /goto 999
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744 [05:42:06] <portmouth> My freshly installed kali Linux hangs as soon as I startx xfce4. It seems desktop-base package is not installed in my system. Might this be causing the problem?
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746 [05:42:32] <erm3nda> try to install it
747 [05:42:49] <portmouth> I am installing it.
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750 [05:43:33] <portmouth> any other suggestions?
751 [05:45:10] <sypher> You might ask in #kali-linux.
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753 [05:45:44] <portmouth> OK :)
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758 [05:48:16] <erm3nda> sypher, ha ha ha :-)
759 [05:48:25] <sypher> erm3nda: What?
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761 [05:48:35] <erm3nda> nothing, was cool your new suggestion
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764 [05:49:10] <erm3nda> i should notice that too :-/
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767 [05:51:17] <Howdy> Whats a good VNC client that does not suck ass?
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769 [05:51:26] <Howdy> for Debian 8?
770 [05:52:12] <Howdy> don't like 2 cursors in Remmina
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773 [05:54:02] <binaryc> Howdy: go :clientless" Guacamole is awesome
774 [05:54:11] <tacocat> vinagre supports vnc and is also designed for gnome
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777 [05:54:41] <Howdy> vinarge caused cursor to disappear
778 [05:54:47] <Howdy> I do like guac & chicken
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780 [05:55:00] <Howdy> clientless means noo lag?
781 [05:55:05] <Howdy> i can game too?
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783 [05:55:22] <Howdy> need to setup pci pass thru
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808 [06:05:57] <acu> I run debian JEssie amd64 - nework and DNS worked fine -I could browse or ping any name - however I moved the computer to another location - with LAN 10.0.0.X - and now the DNS resolution does not work - even I edit /etc/resolv.conf with nameserver 8.8.8.8 when I save it it tells me file was modified since you opened it - however it doe snot save the nameserver
809 [06:06:28] <somiaj> acu: what do you use to configure your network?
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811 [06:06:38] <acu> In the same network FreeBSD works (I am chating now from a TruOS desktip
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813 [06:07:24] <acu> somiaj: I tried both - network manager or /etc/network/interfaces
814 [06:07:48] <somiaj> acu: Do you use network manager? the /etc/network/interfaces file, etc. Some automatic tool is overwriting your resolv.conf setting. Could be even the dhcp client.
815 [06:07:49] <acu> however I think is by default on network manager
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818 [06:08:09] <somiaj> setting this up as a static or dhcp ip?
819 [06:08:29] <acu> I tried both - dhcp and static
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821 [06:08:44] <acu> let me try again - what is weird that FreeBSD works
822 [06:08:49] <somiaj> If using network manger you should be able to configure the nameserver with network manager.
823 [06:09:08] <acu> somiaj - let me try again
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825 [06:09:14] <acu> thanks
826 [06:09:16] <somiaj> well the issue is just something is taking control of your resolv.conf file from my point of view. There are applications like openresolv or resolvconf that try to do this. Do you have them installed/running?
827 [06:09:39] <somiaj> if not maybe using such an application will help in this issue
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832 [06:10:37] <acu> somiaj - good points - I really appreciate - let me try again with static and manual setup in network manager
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845 [06:16:31] <mtcj> Is there anything similar to a ports tree system found on FreeBSD for building Debian packages en-masse after loading a directory tree with sources, patches, and metadata?
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857 [06:20:33] <riv> greetings ppls. i'm building a debian85 system and everything is playing nicely except for fail2ban which says ERROR Unknown backend systemd. Must be among ['pyinotify', 'gamin', 'polling'] or 'auto ...... any suggestions??? backend = systemd works just fine on my archlinux boxes - do i need to recompile fail2ban with systemd support ?
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861 [06:22:08] <mtcj> Can you install it from the package?
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864 [06:22:42] <mtcj> riv ^
865 [06:22:55] <riv> yeah it installs okay but i'm trying to get it to use the systemd backend
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867 [06:23:38] <mtcj> I find it odd that it would be configured in a way that it couldn't be used.
868 [06:23:38] <riv> and given it's a standalone python my suggestion of recompiling seems rather stupid lol
869 [06:23:45] <lindylex> Where is the file that store all the history for the user root?
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871 [06:25:21] <mtcj> lindylex: what do you mean by history, for example history of all commands run?
872 [06:25:27] <lindylex> yes
873 [06:25:37] <missmbob> /root/.bash_history
874 [06:25:42] <lindylex> thanks
875 [06:25:52] <riv> or just type history
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877 [06:26:07] <riv> mtcj: replaced-url
878 [06:26:20] <mtcj> OK. Otherwise I think sudoers might have something that logs that.
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881 [06:27:27] <Howdy> guys can I run KRDC in Gnome
882 [06:27:37] <Howdy> the vnc app..
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884 [06:29:25] <mtcj> riv: looks like maybe it was just an oversight then but interesting
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886 [06:30:15] <mtcj> Howdy: what's wrong with it?
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918 [07:01:24] <yepla> hi
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920 [07:01:50] <yepla> i have just install a french install of debian jessie and the proprietary driver from backports
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923 [07:02:24] <yepla> Problem: font size is very very big
924 [07:02:45] <yepla> someone can help me ?
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928 [07:05:13] <jim> size of?
929 [07:05:28] <yepla> size of all text
930 [07:05:29] <jim> oh the font
931 [07:05:50] <yepla> on irc on term on desktop on menu
932 [07:05:56] <yepla> everything is so biggggg
933 [07:06:20] <jim> maybe the resolution is correspondingly low
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936 [07:07:15] <erm3nda> maybe is looking so near from screen :-V
937 [07:07:21] <erm3nda> looks suspicious
938 [07:07:36] <yepla> hmmmm
939 [07:07:42] <yepla> u want a screenshot
940 [07:07:49] <erm3nda> what has a driver to do with theme, window manager, and so on?
941 [07:07:51] <erm3nda> yes , please
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943 [07:08:38] <erm3nda> seems related libs, and should be on the install log (what you saw on the screen while installing) some dependancy
944 [07:08:49] <jim> maybe you should find out: (a) what your current resolution is, (b) the resolutions the monitor can do, and (c) what resolution range the video card supports
945 [07:08:56] <erm3nda> sure
946 [07:09:35] <erm3nda> wich gpu it is? ndivia?
947 [07:09:42] <yepla> replaced-url
948 [07:09:51] <yepla> yes nvidia geforce 950
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950 [07:09:58] <riv> mtcj: looks just like it got left behind in the race to systemd. i notice my archlinux box is running python3 and appears python3-systemd is doing the heavy lifting there. it's also fired using systemd start/stop contrls rather than the freak of nature that is /etc/init.d/fail2ban ;) time to get the hands dirty :)
951 [07:10:25] <jim> yepla, you should find out for your machine and monitor too
952 [07:10:25] <erm3nda> whell, even if it's ubuntu page, read that replaced-url
953 [07:10:37] <erm3nda> should help you with "where to see, what to check", follow jim
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955 [07:10:48] <yepla> jim: pardon ?
956 [07:10:57] <riv> replaced-url
957 [07:10:59] <judd> Bug replaced-url
958 [07:11:07] <riv> hahaha *snap* :)
959 [07:11:31] <jim> yepla, you said everything (well the text) is too big?
960 [07:11:53] <erm3nda> i don0t really know what are differences from systemd and upstart... as user ...
961 [07:12:09] <erm3nda> but fail2ban it's a well common tool :-) for servers
962 [07:12:17] <yepla> jim: yes all text
963 [07:12:27] <yepla> icon is ok but no text
964 [07:12:43] <yepla> text under icon menu app
965 [07:12:45] <jim> yepla, so find out those things (a, b, and c)
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967 [07:12:55] <erm3nda> yes, icons on the bottom are quite fine, and res is not so low
968 [07:13:02] <erm3nda> it's font resolution i guess
969 [07:13:05] <erm3nda> on the config panel
970 [07:13:26] <erm3nda> what's the problem yepla... cant you see still text??
971 [07:13:34] <erm3nda> :-D
972 [07:13:55] <jim> I'm saying the screen resolution... how many lines and how many dots across each line
973 [07:14:04] <erm3nda> look at icons at bottom
974 [07:14:07] <erm3nda> are small
975 [07:14:15] <erm3nda> it's xfce default deskt
976 [07:14:31] <erm3nda> i do use it on many confs and i know how big should be them
977 [07:14:37] <erm3nda> that's bigger res than 1024px
978 [07:14:39] <erm3nda> right?
979 [07:14:47] <erm3nda> maybe it's even HD
980 [07:15:07] <yepla> yes i m in hd
981 [07:15:10] <erm3nda> i know
982 [07:15:16] <erm3nda> look system settings
983 [07:15:26] <erm3nda> screen i guess, let my check
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987 [07:15:46] <erm3nda> btw, just change your theme, just for try
988 [07:16:16] <erm3nda> open settings -> Fonts
989 [07:16:17] <yepla> how ? i dont know how
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992 [07:16:25] <erm3nda> open regular menu
993 [07:16:29] <erm3nda> settings, fonts
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995 [07:16:40] <erm3nda> im not sure if xfce menu has those labels, but digg on them
996 [07:16:43] <yepla> i dont have fonts
997 [07:16:51] <erm3nda> well, if u can read, u have them
998 [07:16:56] <erm3nda> i saw in settings, general settings
999 [07:17:04] <erm3nda> let me check on the xfce4 ...
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1005 [07:18:01] <yepla> erm3nda: thx
1006 [07:18:09] <yepla> i wait u
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1009 [07:18:56] <erm3nda> it's on the main menu
1010 [07:19:00] <erm3nda> on middle, settings
1011 [07:19:07] <erm3nda> then appearance, 3rd tab, fonts
1012 [07:19:18] <erm3nda> play those
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1014 [07:19:29] <erm3nda> custom dpi, 96
1015 [07:19:34] <erm3nda> font... 10? 14?
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1017 [07:19:43] <yepla> ?
1018 [07:19:45] <erm3nda> maybe u added some zoom tools without know about it
1019 [07:19:52] <erm3nda> that are my values
1020 [07:19:57] <erm3nda> wich are defaults
1021 [07:20:00] <erm3nda> just to let you compare them
1022 [07:20:01] <yepla> where ?
1023 [07:20:04] <erm3nda> well, again
1024 [07:20:06] <erm3nda> main menu
1025 [07:20:08] <erm3nda> do you know it?
1026 [07:20:26] <yepla> main menu yep then ?
1027 [07:20:32] <erm3nda> settings?
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1029 [07:20:46] <yepla> yes then ?
1030 [07:20:48] <erm3nda> appearance
1031 [07:21:19] <erm3nda> change style, or go the 3rd tab, then check for fonts config
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1033 [07:21:33] <erm3nda> maybe the driver put you back to default theme with custom confs
1034 [07:21:41] <erm3nda> i could not figure out why do you have that fonts
1035 [07:21:54] <yepla> 10
1036 [07:21:58] <yepla> 96dpi
1037 [07:21:59] <erm3nda> dpi 96?
1038 [07:22:01] <erm3nda> meh
1039 [07:22:03] <erm3nda> change a theme
1040 [07:22:12] <erm3nda> then pray
1041 [07:22:16] <yepla> same
1042 [07:22:38] <erm3nda> maybe running reconfigure ...
1043 [07:23:01] <yepla> it s the same on lightdm
1044 [07:23:05] <yepla> at the login
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1047 [07:23:49] <erm3nda> restart lightdm service to force x window manager to start fresh
1048 [07:23:54] <erm3nda> "fresh"
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1050 [07:24:30] <erm3nda> sudo service lightdm restart i guess... im not really sure as i dont digg so much on the vnc xfc4 desktops
1051 [07:24:43] <yepla> ?
1052 [07:24:54] <yepla> without changing nothing ?
1053 [07:24:54] <erm3nda> when u restart the login manager
1054 [07:25:11] <erm3nda> the graphical part is relaunched
1055 [07:25:12] <erm3nda> well
1056 [07:25:15] <erm3nda> just run it
1057 [07:25:23] <erm3nda> but
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1059 [07:25:38] <erm3nda> be suer you don't run any important command from your current session ...
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1061 [07:26:06] <yepla> so ?
1062 [07:26:10] <yepla> change nothing
1063 [07:26:32] <yepla> but what ?
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1067 [07:29:45] <yepla> erm3nda: ?
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1070 [07:31:41] <erm3nda> what
1071 [07:31:43] <erm3nda> still same?
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1073 [07:33:05] <erm3nda> ran that command, as you may did when i posted the link
1074 [07:33:05] <erm3nda> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i dpi
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1076 [07:33:14] <erm3nda> to double check the dpi
1077 [07:33:32] <erm3nda> i have no other idea than remove that driver you added
1078 [07:33:39] <erm3nda> then try out another version of it
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1080 [07:33:50] <erm3nda> reconfigure the xfce4...
1081 [07:34:01] <erm3nda> and as last resort, reinstall xfc4
1082 [07:34:04] <erm3nda> a question...
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1084 [07:34:16] <erm3nda> did u install manually the xfc4?
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1086 [07:34:50] <erm3nda> thats what you really need for a good xfce4 desktop
1087 [07:34:51] <erm3nda> apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies xfonts-base lightdm
1088 [07:35:03] <erm3nda> maybe u is missing xfonts-base
1089 [07:35:07] <erm3nda> i hav no other idea
1090 [07:35:13] <erm3nda> try to install them
1091 [07:35:21] <erm3nda> sudo apt-get install xfonts-base
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1098 [07:47:11] <erm3nda> QUESTION. A good tool to make bootable usb from debian. at now, im using Rufus.exe with pleasure
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1100 [07:47:31] <erm3nda> but looking for something not exe
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1103 [07:49:01] <missmbob> erm3nda: dont ever use rufus
1104 [07:49:03] <missmbob> !rufus
1105 [07:49:03] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
1106 [07:49:55] <missmbob> michaelni: best way to it from debian is `sudo cp foo.iso /dev/sdX bs=4M; sync;` (not sdX1)
1107 [07:50:07] <missmbob> erm3nda: arg, that was for you
1108 [07:50:17] <missmbob> erm3nda: if you're in windows use win32diskimager
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1110 [07:51:03] <missmbob> erm3nda: (win32diskimager is the only supported way in windows)
1111 [07:51:11] <missmbob> !tell erm3nda about win32diskimager
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1114 [07:53:06] <erm3nda> missmbob, im aware of win32diskimager
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1116 [07:53:18] <erm3nda> i could do same with just plain gnome-disks tool
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1118 [07:53:36] <erm3nda> i saw, equivalent to rufus usb bootable maker, but just for Linux
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1122 [07:54:01] <missmbob> equivalent to rufus would suck before rufus sucks
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1124 [07:54:11] <erm3nda> rufus sucks?
1125 [07:54:15] <erm3nda> whats the good one for you?
1126 [07:54:16] <missmbob> because*
1127 [07:54:18] <missmbob> !rufus
1128 [07:54:18] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
1129 [07:54:29] <missmbob> erm3nda: read that. i had the bot show you but i guess you skipped it
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1131 [07:54:41] <erm3nda> i saw it
1132 [07:54:47] <erm3nda> but maybe ur suppossing so much things
1133 [07:54:57] <erm3nda> im looking to write out a win7 image from my current linux machine
1134 [07:54:58] <erm3nda> :-)
1135 [07:55:12] <erm3nda> so, my question is just: do you know something like rufus for windows, but for Linux?
1136 [07:55:28] <erm3nda> lili? well its windows too
1137 [07:55:33] <missmbob> you should've said it was a win image. i guess for that brasero would do the trick
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1141 [07:56:00] <erm3nda> i should't say
1142 [07:56:05] <erm3nda> i like to know other ways too
1143 [07:56:08] <erm3nda> so i ommit it
1144 [07:56:14] <erm3nda> :;-)
1145 [07:56:28] <erm3nda> does brasero create USB bootable ?
1146 [07:56:30] <erm3nda> nevermind
1147 [07:56:36] <erm3nda> ill try
1148 [07:57:03] <erm3nda> win32diskimager -> dd :-)
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1150 [07:57:30] <erm3nda> thank you for your suggestions
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1157 [07:59:27] <erm3nda> ill try frist winusb
1158 [07:59:40] <erm3nda> i remember i've tried but don0t remember why leaved
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1160 [08:03:24] <erm3nda> maybe whas because that Dependency is not satisfiable: libwxbase2.8-0 (>= 2.8.12.1)
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1165 [08:05:00] <Drzacek> Hi. I'm compiling kernel right now (from original sources, not debian package), I'm using bindeb-pkg target and get this error: replaced-url
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1167 [08:05:41] <Drzacek> I compiled it earlier with just make, it compiled and installed without problems.
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1171 [08:08:44] <Drzacek> 1) shouldn't it check for such errors at the beginning, not after 30minutes of compilation? 2) Is there a way to force lowercase packagename (I guess thats the issue here) without the need for new recompile?
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1180 [08:12:00] <hexnewbie> Drzacek: Your kernel's local version seems to contain characters not supported in deb versions, from the looks of it. Most likely it can't have capital letters there.
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1224 [08:36:15] <elliot007> hey how can i install plymouth on debian
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1239 [08:47:43] <ChrisH> elliot007: replaced-url
1240 [08:49:59] <elliot007> I actually tried the instructions on wiki page few days ago but it was not working
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1242 [08:50:10] <elliot007> let me try it one more time
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1251 [08:53:37] <ChrisH> elliot007: then you should rephrase your question. The bot will send you some hints.
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1258 [08:56:17] <Drzacek> How can I set automatic login on debian with lxde?
1259 [08:57:32] <Mokuba_K> depends on your logon manager i guess
1260 [08:57:38] <Mokuba_K> i know how to script it in XDM
1261 [08:57:43] <Mokuba_K> but i'm a heathen and still using XDM so
1262 [08:57:44] <Mokuba_K> lol
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1268 [08:58:39] <Drzacek> what comes by default from DVD installation with LXDE as desktop?
1269 [08:59:05] <Mokuba_K> no clue... don't really use debian
1270 [08:59:13] <Mokuba_K> when i do i install specific pkgs manually
1271 [08:59:23] <Wovado> I believe you can choose the desktop during the installation
1272 [08:59:31] <Mokuba_K> could be GDM or KDM
1273 [08:59:35] <Mokuba_K> Wovado, the login manager thingy
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1275 [09:00:02] <Wovado> Ah, my bad
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1282 [09:01:10] <Wovado> But for LXDE I'd set up LightDM as display manager. Personal preference I suppose
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1284 [09:01:30] <Mokuba_K> Wovado, he doesn't care what his initial login is - he wants autologon
1285 [09:01:40] <Mokuba_K> i *suppose* it could be done via a rc script
1286 [09:01:50] <Mokuba_K> that spawns X and a user session
1287 [09:01:53] <elliot007> after applying changes when i did update-initramfs got this error
1288 [09:01:54] <elliot007> replaced-url
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1298 [09:06:35] <Wovado> Try using 'cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager' , Drzacek, to find out your display manager
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1301 [09:08:14] <pragomer_1> hi. whats the best way to install a virtualbox version 5.x under jessie? deb-file from website oder via backports (if available) ?
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1305 [09:10:40] <tx> I use the debs because they are always up to date
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1309 [09:11:47] <p3nt4> /msg NickServ SET HIDEMAIL ON
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1311 [09:11:53] <p3nt4> /join #offsec
1312 [09:12:03] <tx> what's offsec?
1313 [09:12:12] <p3nt4> Hacker
1314 [09:12:14] <p3nt4> s
1315 [09:12:16] <p3nt4> For OSCP
1316 [09:12:20] <p3nt4> A jacking course
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1318 [09:12:30] <Mokuba_K> i like jacking....
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1322 [09:13:36] <umbaman> I've got a logitech mouse with a track ball
1323 [09:13:43] <tx> well done
1324 [09:13:51] <tx> here's a gold star sticker just for you
1325 [09:14:50] <pragomer_1> I cannot delete files in nautilus (using jessie) with only "del" key.. (dont want to use ctrl+del).. any fix?
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1336 [09:20:33] <umbaman1> so... in a logitech mouse with a trackball, how can I adjust the acceleration
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1342 [09:22:08] <LuMint> Hi, I have a deb package and a sig file, do I use dpkg-sig to verify the signature?
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1344 [09:22:37] <LuMint> foo.deb and foo.deb.sig respectively
1345 [09:24:01] <Drzacek> Sorry, was afk. default display manager is lightdm here
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1349 [09:24:50] <tx> default display manager for me is none
1350 [09:24:54] <tx> startx and a tty
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1352 [09:25:25] <BotaniCar> žžžžž
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1363 [09:32:26] <Drzacek> I can't install virtualbox on my debian machine. Why does it need kernel sources?
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1367 [09:33:42] <Mathisen> apt-get install dkms ?
1368 [09:34:57] <Mathisen> otherwise apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') virtualbox
1369 [09:35:11] <Drzacek> stable doesn't have headers for 4.6.7
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1371 [09:35:40] <jelly> Drzacek: typically you get the headers from the same place you got the kernel
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1375 [09:36:20] <Drzacek> I compiled kernel on other machine
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1378 [09:37:13] <jelly> then you'll either have to compile vbox' kernel-side drivers on that same system, or ship the sources to this one
1379 [09:37:21] <Drzacek> dkms is already the newest version
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1381 [09:37:41] <Drzacek> is there some other virtual pc software that doesn't require that?
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1385 [09:38:32] <jelly> given your custom kernel, not really. If you put in kvm support, perhaps virt-manager and kvm might do
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1389 [09:39:41] <Drzacek> Is there some debian version that does have linux headers for 4.6.7?
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1391 [09:40:45] <musca> ,kernels
1392 [09:40:46] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
1393 [09:40:54] <jelly> Drzacek: doesn't work that way, you need headers that match your specific kernel build
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1396 [09:41:31] <jelly> (and you need a matching gcc, too)
1397 [09:41:33] <Drzacek> then I guess I'm gonna have to compile vbox on other machine
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1399 [09:41:45] <LuMint> Hi, I have a deb package and a sig file, do I use dpkg-sig to verify the signature???
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1401 [09:42:17] <jelly> Drzacek: this is one of the reasons using a kernel from the distro is recommended
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1403 [09:43:12] <Drzacek> jelly, If I could use standard I wouldn't change
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1414 [09:50:27] <vahe> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU M 640 @ 2.80GHz
1415 [09:50:44] <vahe> westmere?
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1417 [09:51:54] <vahe> replaced-url
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1420 [09:52:48] <Mokuba_K> vahe, yes
1421 [09:52:53] <Mokuba_K> replaced-url
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1423 [09:53:21] <vahe> Mokuba_K: thanks :)
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1444 [10:01:09] <Drzacek> jelly, of course, I compiled kernel using sources from kernel.org, not debian package, so it doesn't help me a bit to compile the virtualbox on that machine too :/
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1446 [10:02:21] <jelly> Drzacek: no need to compile the whole vbox, just install their package and let it build its kernel modules via dkms
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1449 [10:03:12] <Drzacek> yeah, thats what I meant, sorry. I apt-get install virtualbox and during installation it wants to compile modules, it fails of course, because it doesn't have package for 4.6.7 linux
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1460 [10:05:04] <jelly> Drzacek: it shouldn't be searching for a package, it should be looking for the tree containing the headers. If you deleted the tree where you built the kernel, your loss
1461 [10:05:21] <Drzacek> working directory is there
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1463 [10:05:48] <jelly> you're doing this on the machine where your kernel source is, right
1464 [10:05:53] <Drzacek> yes
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1469 [10:06:46] <LuMint> how do I uninstall a package installed from a deb file?
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1473 [10:06:57] <tx> dpkg -r
1474 [10:06:57] <dpkg> tx: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
1475 [10:07:03] <tx> yes
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1478 [10:07:21] <tx> LuMint: dpkg -l
1479 [10:07:24] <tx> grep it for the package
1480 [10:07:25] <tx> then dpkg -r
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1497 [10:10:45] <LuMint> tx: thanks
1498 [10:11:00] <LuMint> tx: i was thinking there was some way I can ensure the deinstallation goes smooth
1499 [10:11:18] <LuMint> tx: when installing a deb package... You see I'm about to install one
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1514 [10:16:49] <Drzacek> replaced-url
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1516 [10:17:28] <Drzacek> There are errors during installing virtualbox, but true - it doesn't mention kernel sources
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1520 [10:18:55] <LuMint> tx: is there a way I can improve the process of installing a deb package so that there'll be no leftovers after uninstalling?
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1522 [10:19:10] <KoshNa> Drzacek: Consult /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/5.1.4/build/make.log for more information.
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1527 [10:21:54] <Drzacek> replaced-url
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1530 [10:26:52] <jelly> LuMint: sadly that depends on the quality of the package in question
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1533 [10:27:37] <jelly> LuMint: in theory, if the package complies with debian policy, there should be no leftovers after it's purged
1534 [10:27:49] <LuMint> jelly: but there should be some walkarounds... Like tracing all newly appeared files after installing it
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1542 [10:29:51] <Iridos> LuMint, what package are you talking about
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1544 [10:30:29] <LuMint> Iridos: vk-cli
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1547 [10:32:16] <Iridos> mmh, yeah
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1559 [10:35:28] <Iridos> wherever that's from, it's not from debian repos… all files listed for the package will be removed, but if some of the install scripts make some additional ones, it is the job of the package to remove them (or of the person uninstalling)
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1562 [10:36:12] <Iridos> if you uninstall or purge mysql, the databases won't be deleted
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1565 [10:37:14] <Iridos> there is npm2deb in debian
1566 [10:37:25] <jelly> correction: mysql-server asks you whether to nuke the data on purge or not
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1568 [10:38:25] <LuMint> hrm
1569 [10:38:36] <LuMint> the package doesn't even run
1570 [10:38:59] <LuMint> "command not found", even though it's listed in dpkg -l output
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1573 [10:41:14] <Iridos> jelly, oh, guess that's the Right Thing™
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1576 [10:41:45] <Iridos> LuMint, dpkg -L packagename |grep bin/
1577 [10:41:58] <Iridos> you probably have the wrong command
1578 [10:42:38] <LuMint> Iridos: thank you!
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1580 [10:43:03] <tx> LuMint: dpkg purge
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1633 [11:04:11] <d3lphi> hi all. I want to run the command "cryptsetup luksUUID /dev/sdf --uuid "cccccccc-cccc-9876-4321-cccccccccccc" within a bash script. But that commands wait for user interaction to enter YES to acknowledge the change of uuid. I cannot find a switch like -y or --force or similar to bypass that. Is there any way to do so?
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1636 [11:04:33] <tx> yes | <command>
1637 [11:04:49] <tx> or
1638 [11:05:02] <tx> yes <your-string-that-you-want-here> | <command>
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1643 [11:06:31] <tx> d3lphi: so you probably want "yes yes | <that cryptsetup command>
1644 [11:06:35] <tx> "
1645 [11:07:11] <petn-randall> d3lphi: Keep in mind though though that the naming of block devices in not static, so /dev/sdf might end up being a different device than you expect sometimes.
1646 [11:08:19] <Iridos> so if you do "yes no" …
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1648 [11:09:08] <tx> it will repeat no
1649 [11:09:20] <tx> literally just no\nno\nno\nno\n
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1653 [11:10:20] <Iridos> and the universe will implode due to paradox
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1661 [11:16:30] <jelly> no
1662 [11:16:40] <Iridos> yes
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1664 [11:16:43] <jelly> no
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1702 [11:34:32] <kingkong> hi. on debian wheezy can not install handbrake? i got this error replaced-url
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1705 [11:35:51] <LuMint> Iridos: is there a way to learn where a program stores its settings?
1706 [11:35:55] <LuMint> apart from looking in .config
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1722 [11:41:01] <Iridos> LuMint, not easily, as every program can store them wherever it wants. It's usually /etc/programname for global settings and $HOME/.config/programname or $HOME/.programname, though. And if it's impossible to find by looking around, one can always do e.g. "strace -f -e open programname" or run "opensnoop programname" before calling it to see all the files it accesses
1723 [11:41:52] <themill> kingkong: that looks like a pretty standard problem to have with deb-multimedia.org
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1729 [11:43:37] <kingkong> themill: i need this handbrake for editing a .swf file. do you know a good alternative?
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1733 [11:44:54] <Iridos> kingkong, if run the same command with aptitude instead of apt-get, that will suggest more different solutions to you
1734 [11:45:30] <themill> kingkong: handbrake is already in debian -- no need to use stuff from deb-multimedia.org (and if you need newer software, upgrading to jessie would be the starting point)
1735 [11:45:36] <kingkong> i used swfmill but it gave error from xml2swf convert. give error even if i dont touch original file but just convert. so, need a swf editor without problems
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1740 [11:45:52] <kingkong> Iridos: ok i will try
1741 [11:46:18] <kingkong> themill: my vps cant upgrade
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1743 [11:48:11] <themill> editing a video on a vps?
1744 [11:48:54] <kingkong> its a .swf file around 10 mb.
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1746 [11:50:03] <kingkong> Iridos: i said "yes" to keep packages on their current version and it didnt install. i must say No for that question?
1747 [11:50:09] <bazhang> did you use handbrake or not kingkong
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1750 [11:50:53] <kingkong> bazhang: not yet. 2 days ago, i told you that i couldnt install it. so, im trying to solve that problem
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1753 [11:52:27] <LuMint> Iridos: thanks, it worked!
1754 [11:52:28] <kingkong> i must say No for this question? replaced-url
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1756 [11:52:48] <bazhang> whats that pastebin
1757 [11:52:56] <bazhang> why not the debian one
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1760 [11:53:37] <themill> dpkg: tell kingkong about bat
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1779 [12:07:30] <kingkong> bazhang: its not opening at you ?
1780 [12:07:39] <kingkong> themill: replaced-url
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1787 [12:13:20] <psylence> Hello. Something weird is going on. I added 'non-free' to the end of the source, updated apt and it Hit the non-free source, yet it can't locate a non-free package when I want to install it.
1788 [12:13:25] <psylence> This has never happened to me before
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1791 [12:14:32] <themill> psylence: which package
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1794 [12:15:00] <themill> kingkong: I can't see the problem there.... very odd
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1797 [12:16:12] <kingkong> is there another alternative package to edit .swf file on wheezy?
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1799 [12:17:01] <themill> Converting it to some other format would work. I still don't understand why you're trying to do this on a VPS though
1800 [12:17:58] <kingkong> themill: where else i should make it?
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1802 [12:18:30] <themill> Video editing is a lot easier to do on a local machine where you can see what you're doing
1803 [12:18:33] <kingkong> i've android tablet as alternative
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1806 [12:19:17] <kingkong> its considered as local? :p
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1808 [12:19:30] <MarcoMarcaccini> hi, when I'm in recovery I get AICP Errot: method reached maximum rentrancy limit (255) . As you can imagine my pc is a laptop and this error happens only whrn it charges the battery
1809 [12:19:38] <psylence> themill: any. Steam, openal1, wireless-firmware (iwl6000)
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1812 [12:20:08] <themill> psylence: none of them are packages that exist, so that will slow you down
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1815 [12:20:42] <psylence> themill: steam isn't a package?
1816 [12:20:48] <psylence> openal1 isn't a package?
1817 [12:20:59] <themill> steam is, Steam is not. Real output in a pastebin would be good to see
1818 [12:20:59] <psylence> They're real packages, stop being so smug
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1820 [12:21:19] <bazhang> ,v steam
1821 [12:21:20] <judd> No package named 'steam' was found in amd64.
1822 [12:21:28] <psylence> themill: I have a habit of starting sentences with capital letters.
1823 [12:21:28] <kingkong> can you say me alternative to handbrake?
1824 [12:21:32] <psylence> ,v openal1
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1826 [12:21:33] <judd> No package named 'openal1' was found in amd64.
1827 [12:21:40] <bazhang> ffmpeg kingkong
1828 [12:21:41] <themill> psylence: When what you report is full of typos, I can't tell if the problem is a typo or something else
1829 [12:21:53] <kingkong> ok trying thx
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1831 [12:22:00] <bazhang> np
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1833 [12:22:26] <psylence> ,v iwlwifi
1834 [12:22:27] <judd> No package named 'iwlwifi' was found in amd64.
1835 [12:22:28] <themill> kingkong: avconv from libav-tools might be able to do it for you. Might.
1836 [12:22:41] <psylence> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
1837 [12:22:43] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1
1838 [12:24:14] <psylence> My bad, forgot to enable the i386 architecture. I was triggered by your smug response.
1839 [12:24:35] <themill> well, none of the packages you actually gave us names for do exist...
1840 [12:24:53] <themill> the foreign arch is only relevant for 'steam' not the others
1841 [12:25:16] <psylence> True.
1842 [12:25:27] <kingkong> ffmpeg installed with libav-tools too. ok thanks. :)
1843 [12:25:28] <themill> Real commands and real output in a pastebin helps us greatly
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1845 [12:25:49] <psylence> themill: yes, and it's libopenal1, that was my mistake.
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1902 [12:56:13] <atralheaven> hi, what's the difference between debian CD and DVD? DVD has all the desktops?
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1917 [12:59:38] <SynrGy> atralheaven: i think that's correct, but also i think with gnome, not all of gnome fits on CD-1
1918 [12:59:57] <SynrGy> atralheaven: generally it is better to use netinst. you can choose any desktop, and you get the whole desktop for whatever your choice is.
1919 [13:00:02] <SynrGy> !netinst
1920 [13:00:02] <dpkg> netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
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1924 [13:02:12] <SynrGy> replaced-url
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1929 [13:02:59] <atralheaven> and are live disks and install disks diffrent? or its one disk for all, like ubuntu?
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1937 [13:09:36] <afx_> Hello ! I am getting this error when plugin in a usb stick : device descriptor read/64, error -110
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1939 [13:09:58] <afx_> Also this : device not accepting address 40, error -62
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2019 [13:56:16] <mariooliveiera> hi. wdmycloud runs debian 7. but i cannot install a few packages to able to boot computers using pxe boot because its in memory page 64 witch is compatible with debian repos. is there an easy way to comvert to 64?. i have been thinking how do i install debian8 on it? dam i wish i had bought a raspeberrypi instead #$%&"#%&/
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2025 [13:59:34] <ThisIsZenified> mariooliveiera: Well, rephrase the question
2026 [13:59:37] <ThisIsZenified> it's cryptic, I can't understand it
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2029 [14:02:21] <mariooliveiera> ThisIsZenified, hi. my nas cloud wdmycloud. used debian 7 but with memory 64. so i cant install packages using apt-get. as i understand i need to convert packages to memory 64.
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2031 [14:02:45] <ThisIsZenified> memory 64?
2032 [14:02:46] <ThisIsZenified> what is it
2033 [14:02:55] <ThisIsZenified> 64-bit system?
2034 [14:03:03] <ThisIsZenified> 64 MB/GB/TB/KB RAM ?
2035 [14:03:13] <mariooliveiera> 64k pages
2036 [14:03:26] <mariooliveiera> memory pages
2037 [14:03:28] <sypher> mariooliveiera: I'm fairly certain that that is not simply Debian 7, but a very heavily modified Debian 7. Packages are compiled (in most cases) for a specific CPU architecture. You don't simply "convert" them.
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2040 [14:05:37] <mariooliveiera> i can get the source code from wd
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2043 [14:06:04] <mariooliveiera> but i need recompile it from scratch
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2046 [14:06:57] <mariooliveiera> i think i need to change memory pages ro 4m
2047 [14:07:07] <mariooliveiera> and recompile all firmware
2048 [14:07:09] <petn-randall> mariooliveiera: Ask your vendor for support, it's not Debian. We can only give you very limited help as we only have experience with DEbian.
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2051 [14:07:58] <sypher> mariooliveiera: Yeah, I wouldn't hope for much assistance here. A custom-built embedded OS for a NAS device pretty much qualifies as !Debian for the purposes of support here.
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2063 [14:12:10] <mariooliveiera> i wish i had go for a synology or raspeberry pi . arrrg
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2074 [14:16:40] <petn-randall> (Also not supported in here, though)
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2076 [14:16:57] <FNTM-U3> hello
2077 [14:17:03] <FNTM-U3> I want to connect to a l2tp server and make a vpn cconnection
2078 [14:17:10] <FNTM-U3> I am using wicd
2079 [14:17:16] <FNTM-U3> I need a client not related not network manager for this job
2080 [14:17:21] <FNTM-U3> what is out there?
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2108 [14:26:56] <T4ng10r> hi
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2112 [14:27:25] <T4ng10r> I want to start spotify from user systemd unit - which I succed.
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2116 [14:29:28] <T4ng10r> but I need also to allow spotify to user dbus, as dbus-send command to spotify started from simple service fails
2117 [14:29:53] <T4ng10r> can you help me create user spotify.service with dbus support?
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2121 [14:31:10] <Iridos> why don't you start it from a user account
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2123 [14:31:20] <Iridos> and what does it need dbus for
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2132 [14:35:35] <T4ng10r> i'm using i3 as WM, dbus is needed for mutlimedia keys usage (ie. through playerctl)
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2156 [14:45:27] <T4ng10r> nvm
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2158 [14:45:58] <Agiofws> hello
2159 [14:46:01] <Agiofws> i have purchased this mobo replaced-url
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2163 [14:46:14] <Agiofws> it has an onboard gfx ...
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2180 [14:51:26] <smhar> greetings
2181 [14:51:34] <Agiofws> hi
2182 [14:51:36] <Agiofws> i have purchased this mobo replaced-url
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2184 [14:52:11] <colo-work> Agiofws, skylake is probably a tall order for Jessie without backports...
2185 [14:52:45] <marijnfs> so it gets to the usb disk but then hangs?
2186 [14:52:46] <colo-work> Agiofws, you almost definitely want linux-image-amd64 and xserver-xorg-video-intel from jessie-backports
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2190 [14:53:47] <Iridos> there's backported xorgs?
2191 [14:53:52] <Iridos> judd, versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
2192 [14:53:53] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917+git20160522-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1
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2194 [14:54:05] <missmbob> video drivers, yes
2195 [14:54:07] <Iridos> that must have been fun
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2197 [14:54:35] <smhar> I am using debian stable, I have english and arabic fonts appearing with no problems in web and libreoffice, and most of my emails I receive in my webmail.
2198 [14:54:45] <smhar> the problem happens when I send an arabic email. the composition is ok, but when I receive it is all a long series of ؟س etc
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2201 [14:55:34] <doublehp> After reboot, eth1 was renamed enp4s1 ; what could cause this ?
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2204 [14:56:01] <Agiofws> so i'll have to install tweak the machine via command line colo-work ?
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2207 [14:56:38] <Agiofws> colo-work, it was a fresh install i have no gui
2208 [14:56:41] <colo-work> Agiofws, yes, you'll have to log in to the machine without Xorg running (via a VT, or via SSH)
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2210 [14:57:05] <colo-work> then put an additional config file into place, and install two new packages via apt-get or aptitude
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2212 [14:57:23] <missmbob> Agiofws: replaced-url
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2218 [14:58:40] <colo-work> basically, what you need to do (as the root user) is this: echo 'deb replaced-url
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2226 [15:04:53] <kingkong> bazhang: ffmpeg can not help on decompress .swf files?
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2232 [15:08:38] <jelly> doublehp: which debian release, which kernel?
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2244 [15:13:35] <doublehp> jelly: stretch - Linux leon-host 4.6.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.2-2 (2016-06-25) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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2250 [15:17:59] <jelly> doublehp: things change in stretch all the time, some part of systemd-networkd may have gotten activated
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2252 [15:18:03] <jelly> !debian-next
2253 [15:18:03] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2257 [15:18:24] <jelly> doublehp: ^^ is the right place to ask about stretch at present time
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2267 [15:23:54] <kyle__> I just ran into something I haven't seen before with tar. WHen trying to create a file with a : in the name, it apperas to think it's supposed to be on a remote host, and so fails.
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2273 [15:24:45] <kyle__> This is completely new tar behavior to me. Is this GNU tar specific?
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2276 [15:26:16] <themill> kyle__: btw make it look like a file with ./ at the front
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2278 [15:26:50] <kyle__> themill: Thank you! That's one of the things I was hoping to find. But I also kindof want to look into how it's expecting to work remotely, because it's interesting :)
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2281 [15:27:25] <themill> rsh, from memory
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2284 [15:29:57] <kyle__> themill: Then it relies on whatever those old trust files were? I can't recall their names. .. I just remember you could authorize specific users from specific machines access without authentication... This is going back to the 90s when I last saw it :\ I'm geein old.
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2291 [15:31:33] <themill> kyle__: these days ssh provides rsh and so it all behaves rather differently. (Thankfully)
2292 [15:32:02] <doublehp> jelly: according to replaced-url
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2302 [15:36:06] <Iridos> kyle__, what was the command including filename? scp and rsync use this, but tar shouldn't
2303 [15:36:37] <kyle__> Iridos: If it includes a colon (:) it interprets it as a remote host.
2304 [15:36:37] <Iridos> hm. there's --force-local
2305 [15:36:43] <kyle__> s mount.
2306 [15:36:49] * kyle__ sighs. I hate this laptop.
2307 [15:36:53] <kyle__> Like you would for an NFS mount.
2308 [15:37:00] <Iridos> for the -f option?
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2313 [15:38:13] <kyle__> In my case the command I used was tar -cvf imaps:someemailaddress@somedomain.sometld.tar imaps:someemailaddress@somedomain.sometld
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2315 [15:39:04] <Iridos> hm, interesting, although all that seems to produce is the error /usr/lib/tar/rmt: No such file or directory
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2317 [15:39:22] * kyle__ nods.
2318 [15:39:23] <Iridos> seems one has to explicitely enable remote tar
2319 [15:39:31] <themill> rmt-tar(8)
2320 [15:39:37] <kyle__> themill: ssh replacing rsh made life SOOooo much better for me.
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2512 [16:23:03] <d3lphi> when I need to run a command "/usr/local/bin/foo.sh" on each system boot, where should I put that executing line in?? Is /etc/rc.local still reliable on Debian Jessie 8 with systemd ?
2513 [16:23:35] <han-solo> why don't you use crontab?
2514 [16:24:01] <han-solo> @reboot /usr/local/bin/foo.sh
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2516 [16:24:06] <somiaj> I belive systemd still runs /etc/rc.local, look at the rc.local service (systemctl status rc.local)
2517 [16:24:20] <somiaj> though writing a unit file in systemd is fairly stright forward, or as han-solo suggsted you can also use cron.
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2521 [16:25:17] <somiaj> yea by default debian runs '/etc/rc.local start' during boot.
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2524 [16:26:56] <d3lphi> I will try with rc.local then, thanks to all
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2699 [17:00:55] <olscumpy> what are the reasons to, or benefits of, putting var and tmp on other partitions?
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2701 [17:01:12] <olscumpy> I already do that with home, but the debian installer is offering to do it with var and tmp too
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2731 [17:07:45] <olscumpy> I went ahead and accepted it, because being organized is great, but some googling leads me to believe that after /home, /usr is typically the next one to get its own partition
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2736 [17:08:48] <jelly> olscumpy: that googling is incorrect
2737 [17:09:17] <jelly> (or outdated for Linux systems)
2738 [17:09:24] <tx> partitioning makes it so annoying to do things later on
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2740 [17:09:34] <tx> I'd do /home at most
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2743 [17:10:08] <jelly> logical volumes instead of partitions, give a lot of benefit
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2748 [17:10:56] <tx> I don't like worrying about disk space heh
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2755 [17:11:17] <jelly> olscumpy: the suggestions made by guided partitioning are also rather outdated. As others say, it's not worth slicing your setup into little mountpoints unless you know why you're doing it in advance
2756 [17:11:23] <olscumpy> too late, it's formatting now. but the installer might have said volumes instead of partitions, I'm not sure
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2759 [17:11:35] <olscumpy> it is using LVM
2760 [17:12:19] <jelly> the way debian-installer sets up LVM is also crazy. /home gets 100% of remaining space by default, and no free space is left in LVM PV
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2763 [17:12:51] <olscumpy> hm. should I restart it and set things up manually?
2764 [17:13:05] <jelly> people usually work around this by telling it to create an extra LV, make d-i do its thing, then nuke that LV after install
2765 [17:13:23] <jelly> olscumpy: is it for a workstation or a server?
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2774 [17:15:16] <olscumpy> I'm going to have physical access to it, but I'm going to try to run it mostly "headless" as a media server
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2776 [17:15:39] <olscumpy> I'm still pretty novice with linux, only having used easy distros like mint and ubuntu so far
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2778 [17:15:46] <bmomjian> I am on Jessie. I get a reproducible OS crash 30% of the time in the first two minutes of booting. However, if I install the crash tools to analyze a dump, the crashes no longer happen. Crash tools: replaced-url
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2780 [17:16:08] <tx> the solution is simple
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2783 [17:16:18] <bmomjian> At this point my problem is fixed because the crash tools prevent the crash, but I can't report the cause of the failure. Ideas?
2784 [17:16:18] <tx> keep the crash tools installed
2785 [17:16:20] <tx> :P
2786 [17:16:24] <bmomjian> yeah
2787 [17:16:28] <tx> haha no but really
2788 [17:16:30] <tx> that's interesting,
2789 [17:16:36] <bmomjian> I thought so.
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2796 [17:17:32] <bmomjian> This has been happening for a while, but since it reboots and then is usually fine, it was not a crisis. Only yesterday did I run a 30-minute test to prove that this is happening, and the solution.
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2800 [17:18:07] <bmomjian> I might not even have noticed it except I have a way of detecting if I did not manually issue a shutdown command, so i get an email when the crash happens.
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2803 [17:18:18] <bmomjian> like a Hiesenburg bug
2804 [17:19:15] <bmomjian> I think there is a way to force the system to core dump on a crash before the reboot, but that might need the crash tools too, which if course would prevent the crashing.
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2814 [17:24:02] <jelly> olscumpy: you shouldn't bother with more than / or / + /home, then
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2816 [17:24:36] <olscumpy> ok. I've been very happy with separate home, for distro hopping...
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2820 [17:24:57] <olscumpy> hopefully I'll be done soon. I have high hopes for debian + MATE
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2829 [17:27:01] <jelly> bmomjian: if you have recent hardware (haswell and newer, I think), you can get stack trace of last crash under /sys/fs/pstore ... see eg. replaced-url
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2831 [17:27:18] <johnfg> hi folks
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2834 [17:27:31] <tx> hi folk
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2839 [17:29:54] <johnfg> After updating jessie to latest yesterday, I got these errors: replaced-url
2840 [17:30:10] <johnfg> I searched for a resolution, but didn't find much.
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2861 [17:40:05] <jelly> johnfg: what does this command say? If it's more than 1-2 lines, use a paste site. ls -ld /etc/modprobe.d/dkms.conf*
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2868 [17:40:57] <jelly> johnfg: for future reference, I used "locate dkms.conf" and "dpkg -S dkms.conf" to figure out where the missing file might be
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2882 [17:45:17] <han-solo> dkms.conf
2883 [17:45:18] <han-solo> er,
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2900 [17:50:10] <spleen> Hello, i would choose install a specific version of a package
2901 [17:50:15] <spleen> example Package: mysql-common
2902 [17:50:29] <spleen> how to choose Version: 5.6.30-1~bpo8+1
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2904 [17:51:01] <Flashtek> apt-get install gparted=0.16.1-1
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2906 [17:51:13] <Flashtek> spleen: like that ?
2907 [17:51:34] <zykotick9> spleen: not like Flashtek says above! see replaced-url
2908 [17:51:41] <Flashtek> ok..
2909 [17:51:51] <Flashtek> I just went off the first google hit...
2910 [17:52:12] <jelly> spleen: what's your goal, and how many different versions do you see available in "apt-cache policy mysql-common" ?
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2913 [17:53:11] <bmomjian> jelly: so pstore will work without the crash tools?
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2915 [17:53:14] <spleen> apt-get install mysql-common=5.6.30
2916 [17:53:17] <spleen> doesnt work
2917 [17:53:18] <bmomjian> I can generate a failure that way
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2920 [17:55:01] <jelly> bmomjian: if your kernel panics, if it detected the pstore thingies, I guess so yes
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2925 [17:55:40] <bmomjian> I don't see anything in there now? Does it get cleaned each boot?
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2929 [17:55:58] <bmomjian> the file system is there though, just empty
2930 [17:56:08] <bmomjian> this is 2011 hardware
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2932 [17:56:23] <jelly> 2011 sounds like sandybridge
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2934 [17:57:45] <jelly> bmomjian: grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo |uniq ?
2935 [17:58:31] <bmomjian> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz
2936 [17:58:40] <DrDamnit> /msg dpkg 8.5
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2941 [18:00:14] <jelly> bmomjian: that seems too old, Q1'2010 Westmere EP
2942 [18:00:27] <bmomjian> ok, thanks
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2944 [18:00:34] <bmomjian> explains why the directory is empty, I guess
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2946 [18:00:59] <bmomjian> I looked at the logs but will look again as I have 10+ crash times
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2951 [18:02:44] <spleen> how to completly uninstall package with rc tag ?
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2956 [18:02:58] <spleen> example +> rc mysql-server-5.5 5.5.50-0+deb8u1
2957 [18:03:03] <bmomjian> OK, I have one start after a crash that started at Sep 7 10:07:05, so I looked for logs about 10:06, and there is nothing
2958 [18:03:11] <bmomjian> spleen: apt-get purge package-name
2959 [18:03:15] <bmomjian> those are config files kept
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2963 [18:03:53] <jelly> dpkg, tell spleen about purge
2964 [18:04:10] <bmomjian> not a single /var/log message with timestamp 10:06. :-(
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2974 [18:06:29] <bmomjian> nothing for 10:05 either so the logs are not going to help
2975 [18:06:52] <bmomjian> I thought it was kind of odd that I installed the crash tools but then never got a crash; now I know why.
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2980 [18:07:46] <jelly> did you verify kdump actually works, by triggering a NMI or whatnot?
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2982 [18:08:08] <jelly> server-like hardware often has a way to intentionally trigger NMI
2983 [18:08:11] <bmomjian> uh, I am no longer getting crashes on reboots so testing it seemed meaningless
2984 [18:08:38] <bmomjian> I know I can trigger a crash. let me try, though I am not sure how that helps.
2985 [18:08:52] <bmomjian> again, if it was crashing, I would have gotten an email about a unrequested reboot
2986 [18:08:58] <jelly> it helps if you want to verify the kdump setup you did actually works
2987 [18:08:58] <bmomjian> that's how I detected the first failures
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2990 [18:09:24] <bmomjian> ok, hold
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3012 [18:17:25] <bmomjian> back
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3014 [18:18:14] <bmomjian> so I have a single file in /var/crash, kexec_cmd
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3017 [18:18:27] <bmomjian> it is three minutes old
3018 [18:18:41] <jelly> but no dump?
3019 [18:19:00] <bmomjian> no
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3021 [18:19:12] <jelly> eh
3022 [18:19:16] <bmomjian> I used: echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq and echo c > /proc/sysrq-trigger
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3024 [18:19:29] <bmomjian> that crashed it alright
3025 [18:19:52] * jelly tried to configure kdump once or twice on debian and gave up; trivially easy on RHEL and basically working ootb
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3027 [18:20:04] <bmomjian> let me try again watch the screen this time
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3029 [18:20:52] <jelly> I think you're supposed to see the kdump kernel booting, then dumping the image somewhere, then rebooting the normal system
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3035 [18:22:40] <bmomjian> brb
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3045 [18:25:59] <AgiofwsWeb> hello
3046 [18:26:05] <AgiofwsWeb> can someone help me
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3050 [18:27:18] <jelly> !ask
3051 [18:27:19] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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3053 [18:27:34] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: you're not the first time in here, you know how it goes!
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3059 [18:28:46] <bmomjian> ok, back; seems I just didn't wait long enough last time; I have a directory in /var/crash now that is a dump and dmesg files, so it is working
3060 [18:28:50] <AgiofwsWeb> how can i check this for "Check that you’re release is called “stable” inside /etc/apt/sources.list (if not, adjust the pinning name above)" thisi s my sources.list replaced-url
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3063 [18:29:46] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: you release is called "jessie". What are you trying to achieve with pinning?
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3065 [18:30:10] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: and where are you reading this quote from?
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3071 [18:31:02] <bmomjian> I actually setup a test harness to reboot the server every three minutes if it had not crashed and ran that for 30 minutes with and without crash tools, so I have scientific evidence that the crash tools prevented a 30% crash rate in <2 minutes without them. What is odd is that if it survived after two minutes, it would run just fine forever.
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3073 [18:31:27] <jelly> now you merely have to wait a couple months for the crash to happen!
3074 [18:31:45] <jelly> that sounds a bit hardwarey.
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3078 [18:32:07] <bmomjian> no with the crash tools, which I installed 2 months ago, there are no longer any crashes, no matter now many time I reboot
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3081 [18:32:40] <jelly> pfft
3082 [18:33:02] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly: i'm trying to achieve this replaced-url
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3084 [18:33:19] <AgiofwsWeb> can you check it out ?
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3086 [18:33:40] <petn-randall> AgiofwsWeb: That is a dangerous howto, and the person should be slapped for it.
3087 [18:33:43] <bmomjian> so I was getting crashes frequently after reboots for a few months, so I installed the crash tools, then no crashes in 2 months, so is it a coincidence? So I run the test, and no, it is not a coincedence.
3088 [18:34:00] <petn-randall> AgiofwsWeb: All you need to do is enable jessie-backports, and install a newer kernel and X11 drivers.
3089 [18:34:15] <AgiofwsWeb> what should i do to get my gfx card working ?
3090 [18:34:21] <petn-randall> AgiofwsWeb: Does the current installation not run on your graphics card?
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3092 [18:34:28] <AgiofwsWeb> hm...
3093 [18:34:28] <petn-randall> AgiofwsWeb: What GPU do you have?
3094 [18:34:37] <AgiofwsWeb> ok how do i revert then?
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3096 [18:34:55] <petn-randall> AgiofwsWeb: Mixing stable and testing will result in frankendebian, and a broken and unsupportable system.
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3098 [18:35:15] <AgiofwsWeb> petn-randall: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 1902 (rev 06) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 1902
3099 [18:35:18] <petn-randall> AgiofwsWeb: Did you install anything after adding testing?
3100 [18:35:24] <AgiofwsWeb> ok then i have to revert back
3101 [18:35:37] <AgiofwsWeb> no nothing
3102 [18:35:42] <AgiofwsWeb> just updated
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3104 [18:35:57] <petn-randall> AgiofwsWeb: Ok, then just remove testing and your preferences file.
3105 [18:36:00] <AgiofwsWeb> apt-get update
3106 [18:36:07] <petn-randall> AgiofwsWeb: To add backports, do the following
3107 [18:36:11] <petn-randall> !jessie-backports
3108 [18:36:11] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
3109 [18:36:45] <`Kevin> ^remove testing as well :)
3110 [18:36:49] <bmomjian> so in 10 reboots, 3 crashed without dump tools; with dump tools 10 reboots had no crashes, and that matches my experience from the past six months.
3111 [18:36:50] <AgiofwsWeb> petn-randall: i removed pinning.pref
3112 [18:36:58] <bmomjian> wish I had something concrete to report
3113 [18:36:59] <AgiofwsWeb> and now do apt-get update?
3114 [18:37:06] <petn-randall> AgiofwsWeb: then run 'apt-get update' to update the package list, then 'apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 xserver-xorg-video-intel'.
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3118 [18:38:44] <petn-randall> AgiofwsWeb: Also notice how the comments on that blog flame him for mixing releases. XD
3119 [18:39:04] <bmomjian> my guess is that the crash tools are delaying reboot long enough for something to initialize
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3122 [18:39:54] <`Kevin> petn-randall: yea that guy should take it down or fix it
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3124 [18:40:55] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: you'll want to install the kernel, any firmware already in place, xserver-xorg-video-intel, and libgl1-mesa-dri from jessie-backports
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3129 [18:41:42] <jelly> bmomjian: you get a virtual cookie for the methodology.
3130 [18:41:48] <jelly> !cookie bmomjian
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3132 [18:41:50] * dpkg spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... ...
3133 [18:42:08] <jelly> bad bot.
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3137 [18:43:35] <cameyed> I have a slow internet, is there a way command to auto retry "apt-get dist-upgrade" when it fails?
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3162 [18:49:54] <Amun_Ra> while loop until apt returns $? = 0?
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3169 [18:52:10] <cameyed> Amun_Ra: I am a scripting noob tried writing this replaced-url
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3179 [18:55:33] <jelly> cameyed: while ! apt-get dist-upgrade; do echo 'it failed again!'; done
3180 [18:55:36] * jelly hides
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3182 [18:56:08] <Amun_Ra> cameyed: sth like replaced-url
3183 [18:56:11] <Amun_Ra> jelly: ;)
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3185 [18:56:16] <jelly> cameyed: it's probably slightly saner to just _download_ in a loop, then run the actual upgrade
3186 [18:56:25] <Amun_Ra> indeed
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3192 [18:57:06] <cameyed> thanks guys :)
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3195 [18:57:39] <jelly> useless use of true!
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3200 [18:58:28] <Amun_Ra> that's not the biggest problem of that script ;>
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3202 [18:58:41] <olscumpy> dang. restarted it, this time only giving /home its own partition. this time, accidentally hit enter instead of space and it's installing the wrong DE... very slowly
3203 [18:58:53] <olscumpy> tried ^ z x c, to no avail
3204 [18:59:15] <jelly> third time's the charm?
3205 [18:59:29] <olscumpy> guess so haha
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3226 [19:04:37] <leba2> By chance, has someone here used or know about openfire?
3227 [19:04:45] <leba2> Thier channel is totaly idle...
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3229 [19:04:50] <leba2> *heir
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3231 [19:05:38] <jelly> someone heir?
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3234 [19:06:33] <leba2> sorry, "Their channel is idle"
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3236 [19:06:41] <leba2> the openfire channel
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3262 [19:13:09] <gr8> I want to install Gnash in order to play a flash game, but installing browser-plugin-gnash complains that "browser-plugin-gnash : Depends: gnash (= 0.8.11~git20120629-1+deb7u1) but it is not going to be installed". How do I solve this?
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3269 [19:16:36] <abrotman> judd: versions gnash
3270 [19:16:37] <judd> Package: gnash on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.11~git20120629-1+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 0.8.11~git20150419-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.8.11~git20160608-1.1; stretch: 0.8.11~git20160608-1.1
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3275 [19:18:52] <AgiofwsWeb> petn-randall: jelly ok i'm installing -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 xserver-xorg-video-intel but how do i tell my distro to use the right xorg ? will it reconfigure on its own?
3276 [19:19:02] <AgiofwsWeb> Setting up xserver-xorg-video-intel (2:2.99.917+git20160522-1~bpo8+1) ... Setting up xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg (2:2.99.917+git20160522-1~bpo8+1) .
3277 [19:19:03] <AgiofwsWeb> ok
3278 [19:19:21] <missmbob> it's automatic. just reboot
3279 [19:19:22] <greycat> If you've got an Intel chipset, that should get used.
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3291 [19:25:32] <jelly> AgentClank: don't forget libgl1-mesa-dri
3292 [19:25:45] <jelly> sorry, misTab
3293 [19:26:03] <Iridos> judd, versions browser-plugin-gnash
3294 [19:26:04] <judd> Package: browser-plugin-gnash on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.11~git20120629-1+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 0.8.11~git20150419-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.8.11~git20160608-1.1; stretch: 0.8.11~git20160608-1.1
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3298 [19:26:51] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly: still can't get it into gnome
3299 [19:26:57] <Iridos> gr8, what version of debian is that supposed to be?
3300 [19:27:10] <AgiofwsWeb> it says failed to load firmware i915 etc...
3301 [19:27:17] <johnfg> jelly: Sorry, I was away for a bit. Will do what you asked right now.
3302 [19:27:23] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: did you upgrade libgl1-mesa-dri ?
3303 [19:27:33] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: which cpu is this?
3304 [19:27:41] <AgiofwsWeb> you also told me to install another package i din't remember it
3305 [19:27:52] <gr8> Iridos: debian 8.5 x86
3306 [19:28:15] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: can you tell us EXACT lines where it complains about firmware?
3307 [19:28:15] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 1902 (rev 06) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
3308 [19:28:25] <jelly> that's not the cpu.
3309 [19:28:30] <AgiofwsWeb> no i did not do libgl1-mesa-dri
3310 [19:28:33] <johnfg> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 127 Oct 4 2014 /etc/modprobe.d/dkms.conf
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3313 [19:28:42] <jelly> grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo | uniq <---- cpu
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3315 [19:28:57] <jelly> johnfg: oh, it's there
3316 [19:29:02] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly: where can i look for them they display upon boot up
3317 [19:29:16] <johnfg> jelly: So is it in the wrong place, or what's wrong I wonder?
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3320 [19:29:29] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly: model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G4400 @ 3.30GHz
3321 [19:29:45] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: something like dmesg|egrep -A5 -B5 'i915|firmware'
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3325 [19:30:19] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: or the whole dmesg, or the same thing from /var/log/kern.log (but only the lines from this reboot)
3326 [19:30:45] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly: replaced-url
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3331 [19:31:04] <Iridos> gr8, but you seem to be trying to install the version from wheezy (deb7). You shouldn't have repos for wheezy in your sources.list when you're on jessie (deb8). There is no gnash in jessie, but you could install the one from jessie-backports
3332 [19:31:06] <jelly> skylake, says ark.intel.com
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3335 [19:31:58] <AgiofwsWeb> upgrading libgl1-mesa-dri to libgl1-mesa-dri-dev jelly
3336 [19:32:14] <greycat> -dev is not an upgrade. it's the headers and static libraries for compiling.
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3338 [19:32:30] <jelly> judd: file skl_dmc_ver1.bin --release jessie-backports
3339 [19:32:31] <judd> Search for skl_dmc_ver1.bin in jessie-backports/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/i915/skl_dmc_ver1.bin
3340 [19:33:00] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: ^^ grab "firmware-misc-nonfree" from jessie-backports as well
3341 [19:33:09] <AgiofwsWeb> how do i search in particular in backports ? apt-cache search ?
3342 [19:33:49] <gr8> Iridos: ok thanks I'll try
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3344 [19:34:12] <AgiofwsWeb> it does not display in synaptic jelly
3345 [19:34:28] <missmbob> !nonfree
3346 [19:34:28] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see replaced-url
3347 [19:34:33] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: enable non-free sources
3348 [19:34:39] <jelly> !non-free sources
3349 [19:34:39] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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3354 [19:35:25] <olscumpy> well, it finished installing with defaults. if I put MATE on here now, will I end up with a bunch of duplicated stuff? aka should I just install mate, or install debian again with mate correctly selected this time?
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3357 [19:35:59] <gr8> Iridos: I did have wheezy in my repo list, probably to get some old package :-/ How can I list packages that were installed from here? Next time I'll try jessie-backports
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3359 [19:36:34] <jelly> olscumpy: if you have an unwanted task installed, figure out which package it is and remove it first before installing task-mate-desktop
3360 [19:37:00] <jelly> olscumpy: something like... dpkg -l task-\*|grep '^.i'
3361 [19:37:08] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly i think nonfree is already enabled replaced-url
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3363 [19:37:45] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: where are your jessie-backports lines?
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3366 [19:38:00] <AgiofwsWeb> deb replaced-url
3367 [19:38:16] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: I don't see that in the paste.
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3369 [19:38:53] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: do you notice a difference between the line you just pasted here and other "deb" lines in your sources.list?
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3371 [19:39:14] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly: replaced-url
3372 [19:39:28] <missmbob> you're still missing jessie-backports nonfree
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3375 [19:39:49] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: I will let you figure out this one on your own, if you don't mind
3376 [19:40:26] <jelly> don't forget to aptitude update after fixing the deb line for jessie-backports.
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3379 [19:41:08] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly: deb replaced-url
3380 [19:41:18] <Iridos> gr8, as long as you still have it in your sources.list… try apt-show-versions
3381 [19:41:26] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly: can i use apt-get ?
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3384 [19:42:00] <yepla> hello
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3386 [19:42:03] <sexy-guy> Why won't pretty girls talk to me?
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3390 [19:43:01] <towo`> sexy-guy, because you are damn stupid an you are in the wrong channel
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3392 [19:43:20] <yepla> i have a pb i cannot chose booting on linux or windows my system boot on linux dirrectly ! how can i have the choice
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3394 [19:43:22] <yepla> ?
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3397 [19:43:51] <yepla> i have reinstall grub
3398 [19:44:06] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly: apt-get install firmware-misc-nonfree
3399 [19:44:06] <yepla> start os-prober
3400 [19:44:09] <sexy-guy> towo` what is the right channel
3401 [19:44:20] <yepla> it detect my windows
3402 [19:44:24] <codingrobot> Folks, what's the current state of file systems with regards to storing many (100.000 ~1k) files per folder? Is reiserfs still the way to go? Write performance is not important only read and list.
3403 [19:44:26] <missmbob> AgiofwsWeb: no. i sent you instructions on jessie-backports like 4 hours ago. why havent you read it?
3404 [19:44:28] <yepla> but i still cannot boot in
3405 [19:44:45] <AgiofwsWeb> hmm
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3407 [19:45:19] <missmbob> AgiofwsWeb: it's really helpful if you read what others tell you to. otherwise this gets really frustrating. replaced-url
3408 [19:45:51] <olscumpy> jelly: including task-laptop and task-english, or only task-gnome-desktop?
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3410 [19:46:22] <yepla> so i have start os-prober and update-grub2 it detect my windows and say done but i cannot choose at boot
3411 [19:46:29] <sexy-guy> should i tell the hot girl at the grocery store I work at, that she has a nice ass?
3412 [19:46:31] <yepla> plz someone can help me ?
3413 [19:46:35] <sexy-guy> over the intercom?
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3415 [19:46:45] <gr8> Iridos: wow with "apt-show-versions | grep wheezy" I get a huge list ... are all of that packages that don't exist in jessie?! How do I continue...?
3416 [19:46:47] <hellyeah> is there a package for executing windows command line?
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3418 [19:47:03] -sexy-guy- Why won't pretty girls talk to me?
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3420 [19:47:17] <missmbob> hellyeah: #winehq can help you with that probably
3421 [19:47:26] <hellyeah> thanks
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3423 [19:48:02] <gr8> Iridos: like, it also lists the telnet package ...
3424 [19:48:11] <gr8> and lsof
3425 [19:48:22] <gr8> and adduser ...
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3433 [19:50:00] <sexy-guy> theres this one girl works at same grocery store as me. she have nice ass
3434 [19:50:03] <gr8> I just want to safely remove the wheezy repo from my apt.sources
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3437 [19:50:12] <sexy-guy> should i annouce over intercom, she have nice ass?
3438 [19:50:24] <greycat> sexy-guy: You are off topic here. Stop, or you will be silenced.
3439 [19:50:26] <gr8> plonk
3440 [19:50:27] <Iridos> gr8, it lists all packages… but it also tells you what it guesses where they are from
3441 [19:50:39] <sexy-guy> greycat: by who, your mom?
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3443 [19:50:54] <jhutchins_wk> yepla: Be patient.
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3445 [19:50:56] <sexy-guy> anyhow the topic can screw off.
3446 [19:50:58] <sexy-guy> oh shit
3447 [19:50:58] <sexy-guy> sorry
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3450 [19:51:29] <Iridos> I think that would have also worked for me without the discussion beforehand :P
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3452 [19:52:12] <Iridos> gr8, so probably apt-show-versions |grep wheezy… or apt-show-versions |grep -v jessie
3453 [19:52:15] <jhutchins_wk> yepla: Chroot, run update-grub.
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3455 [19:52:37] <yepla> jhutchins_wk: pardon ?
3456 [19:52:37] <jhutchins_wk> yepla: You may need to change the boot delay settings, which I think is in /etc/defaults/grub
3457 [19:52:40] <gr8> Iridos: that's what I did ...
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3459 [19:52:54] <jhutchins_wk> !tell yepla about fixgrub
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3462 [19:53:09] <jhutchins_wk> yepla: Link to the general instructions in message from dpkg.
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3465 [19:54:02] <yepla> jhutchins_wk: hummmm
3466 [19:54:11] <yepla> there are no more easy way ?
3467 [19:54:12] <Iridos> gr8, it can be wrong, because it's only guessing from version… look with e.g. "apt-cache madison telnet" what versions are available and if you really have one from wheezy
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3470 [19:54:38] <jak2000> how to know if a ip is DHCP or static? is [possible?
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3475 [19:54:56] <jhutchins_wk> yepla: Do you see a button that says "Fix Windows Boot Problem"?
3476 [19:54:57] <greycat> jak2000: check /etc/network/interfaces and see if it's statically assigned in that file
3477 [19:55:11] <Iridos> yepla, I think that *is* the easy way
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3479 [19:55:31] <jhutchins_wk> jak2000: Also see if dhclient is running in ps ax
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3482 [19:56:12] <jhutchins_wk> jak2000: Also, who set this up? Did they do a static config, are they using network-manager?
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3484 [19:56:37] <gr8> Iridos: well, the versions are the same
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3486 [19:57:09] <Iridos> there's no direct way to tell from which repo a package is
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3488 [19:57:27] <yepla> jhutchins_wk: okx thx Iridos: ok
3489 [19:57:55] <yepla> for info i have install my linux after have install windows
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3491 [19:58:02] <yepla> i have never had pb
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3493 [19:58:09] <yepla> only this time
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3497 [19:59:35] <jhutchins_wk> yepla: There are other distros where you have to hold down shift or something at boot to see the menu, I don't think Debian does that.
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3499 [20:00:29] <greycat> Debian's grub menu has a 5 second timeout by default. If your monitor takes 4 seconds to switch modes, then it may seem like a 1 second timeout, in which case you should increase the timeout in your grub config. (I had to do this on the work machine.)
3500 [20:00:29] <yepla> i dont know my windows was booting i install a fresh install of debian jessie then is not offer me the choice to select the os
3501 [20:00:39] <Iridos> … and there can't really be, because packages migrate from unstable to testing without a change… some packages have "deb8u[1-9]" in their version and then you can tell
3502 [20:00:54] <yepla> greycat: ho i see
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3505 [20:00:58] <yepla> maybe it that
3506 [20:01:06] <yepla> i will try it first greycat
3507 [20:01:10] <johnfg> jelly: So is it in the wrong place, or what's wrong I wonder? I know I asked this a bit ago, but whatcha think?
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3510 [20:01:54] <johnfg> It is empty, saying it's a stub file, and should be edited when needed.
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3519 [20:03:08] <gr8> Iridos: ok I have found a line to filter all relevant packages: for package in $(apt-show-versions | grep wheezy | sed -e 's/:.*//'); do apt-cache madison $package; done | grep deb7
3520 [20:03:08] <gr8> thanks for your help
3521 [20:03:46] <Iridos> not all packages have deb7 or deb8 in their version
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3526 [20:06:26] <jhutchins_wk> madison?
3527 [20:06:38] <Iridos> heh, you don't know that?
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3529 [20:06:53] <gr8> Iridos: I think only those don't have which are not specific to one repo?
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3531 [20:07:12] <jhutchins_wk> cool.
3532 [20:07:39] <jhutchins_wk> Iridos: I still know more about rpm than I do about deb.
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3536 [20:08:20] <Iridos> jhutchins_wk, heh. after nearly 15 years of non-use, I had to re-learn even the most basic rpm things :P
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3542 [20:10:05] <kingkong> bazhang: ffmpeg can not edit compressed swf files?
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3545 [20:10:34] <Iridos> gr8, I doubt that.
3546 [20:10:35] <_mirko_> I'm interested what kde version is included in kde release here, replaced-url
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3549 [20:10:56] <greycat> If it's jessie, then it'll be the jessie version.
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3552 [20:11:08] <_mirko_> plasma or 4?
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3554 [20:11:16] <yepla> hello
3555 [20:11:21] <yepla> i m back :)
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3557 [20:11:24] <greycat> ,v konsole
3558 [20:11:25] <judd> Package: konsole on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-1; sid: 4:16.04.2-1; stretch: 4:16.04.2-1
3559 [20:11:32] <yepla> greycat: thx it was the pb
3560 [20:11:36] <greycat> whatever version 4.14.2 is
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3565 [20:12:02] <greycat> and also assuming that your URL points to a jessie image and not some crazy testing/unstable shit
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3568 [20:12:30] <yepla> and yesterday i was here for an other pb: MY BIG FONT PB <= it has be solved by installing gnome
3569 [20:12:33] <_mirko_> greycat: thanks, it's 4 I assume
3570 [20:13:19] <yepla> i don t know why but i have had a big font size pb on xfce and after installing gnome and choose xfce my font pb was finished
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3573 [20:14:02] <Iridos> gr8, the "u2" in e.g. "deb8u2" means 2nd update inside stable… only packages that have been unpdated while they were in stable get that suffix
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3577 [20:15:31] <gr8> Iridos: well at least it covered 80% of the packages that were in wheezy only. I looked through the madison list manually and all except one came in pairs of two now, so they are only in jessie. I think I'll be able to remove the wheezy repo now
3578 [20:15:50] <gr8> s/only in jessie/in jessie as well/g
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3580 [20:16:01] <kombi> I am running apache2 and nginx alongside each other on different ports. Can one keep running mod-php for apache and php7.0-fpm for nginx?
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3588 [20:17:13] <greycat> What happened when you tried?
3589 [20:17:24] <kombi> I don't dare...
3590 [20:17:27] <Iridos> gr8, yeah… before you do, look for "No available version in archive" in the output of apt-show-versions… after you removed wheezy and ran apt-get update… the ones that you have additionaly were from wheezy
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3592 [20:17:32] <kombi> production box...
3593 [20:17:52] <greycat> Install jessie in a similar configuration on a testing box (or in a chroot on your desktop box, or whatever) and test it.
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3595 [20:18:10] <kombi> greycat: fair point!
3596 [20:18:13] <greycat> err, by testing in that sentence I mean "a box that is not in production", not stretch.
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3598 [20:18:34] <gr8> Iridos: ok thanks everything is fine except one manually installed package
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3600 [20:18:46] <Iridos> \o/
3601 [20:18:51] <gr8> :)
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3603 [20:19:06] <kombi> greycat: understood:)
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3607 [20:19:42] <Iridos> kombi, hm, isn't that the packages libapache2-mod-php5 and php5-fpm?
3608 [20:20:04] <gr8> Iridos: I originally used wheezy because of the following packages that are required by Tribler, but not available in jessie-backports: libgcrypt11 libgnutls26 libjpeg8 libtasn1-3 libwxgtk2.8-0
3609 [20:21:40] <gr8> ok libwxgtk2.8-0 is available
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3614 [20:23:07] <Iridos> kombi, if that's done via those packages… the packages should either have Conflicts: statements and not be installable together or they should both work without problems
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3616 [20:23:21] <Iridos> as in replaced-url
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3623 [20:24:03] <kombi> Iridos: makes sense, I'll try now in a virtual box
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3626 [20:25:19] <Iridos> so installing any combination of packages should be safe (as long as one looks out for package removals caused by the command)
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3629 [20:26:28] <reductio> has anyone got one of replaced-url
3630 [20:26:34] <reductio> does it work well on linux?
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3635 [20:28:09] <FaTony> how can I run debuild without making an orig archive?
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3638 [20:28:40] <LostSoul> Hi
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3641 [20:28:55] <LostSoul> I'm wondering why debian doesn't load setting from /etc/profile for root?
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3643 [20:29:09] <LostSoul> I set some bash variables like history format, size etc
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3646 [20:29:19] <LostSoul> And when it comes to users it work like a charm
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3648 [20:29:24] <LostSoul> But not in root case
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3657 [20:31:29] <jhutchins_wk> LostSoul: Perhaps you did not put them in the correct conditional.
3658 [20:31:40] <AgiofwsWeb> missmbob: and jelly i'm sorry but its just that i'm in the middle of other obligations 'infant' so i have to get up from the screen now and then could you repost the instructions because the web client does not have the logs...
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3660 [20:31:51] <jhutchins_wk> LostSoul: root does use /etc/profile to set the path.
3661 [20:32:15] <LostSoul> Thanks I will check
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3664 [20:32:42] <LostSoul> To be honest I have jessie, armbian (banana pi distro based on debian) and raspbian
3665 [20:33:08] <LostSoul> All 3 have the same /etc/profile file, but only in raspbian it worked out ... I don't know if raspbian is based on debian, but I bet so
3666 [20:33:11] <LostSoul> Hmm
3667 [20:33:13] <LostSoul> Let me double check jhutchins_wk
3668 [20:33:45] <LostSoul> I put it in the end of the file in all 3 cases
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3672 [20:34:25] <LostSoul> Now I see, that I did it bad, I should have put it in /etc/profile.d/somefile - man, but still, I bet it won't work
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3674 [20:35:24] <jhutchins_wk> LostSoul: bash steps through all those files, including /etc/bash.bashrc, plus anything in $HOME.
3675 [20:35:32] <olscumpy> on a previous distro, I set my keyboard layout to colemak but it only appled when logged in; the login window was qwerty. is there a way to use colemak as my layout everywhere, no exceptions? I'm using debian + mate
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3677 [20:36:45] <jelly> olscumpy: just task-gnome-desktop, I guess you could do it in one command with something like: aptitude install task-mate-desktop task-gnome-desktop_
3678 [20:37:00] <jhutchins_wk> olscumpy: There's often an rc file for the greeter/
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3680 [20:37:42] <LostSoul> Still not working jhutchins_wk
3681 [20:37:44] <LostSoul> Hmm
3682 [20:37:51] <LostSoul> I don't know why it works for users but not for root
3683 [20:38:00] <jelly> olscumpy: usually a desktop environment has their own control panel and a way to set keymap for the current user
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3685 [20:38:07] <LostSoul> When I put export in /etc/profile or /etc/profile.d/somefile.sh
3686 [20:38:31] <jhutchins_wk> !paste
3687 [20:38:31] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
3688 [20:38:32] <jelly> LostSoul: how do you become root?
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3690 [20:38:51] <LostSoul> sudo su -
3691 [20:39:03] <LostSoul> Ok got it
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3694 [20:39:15] <jhutchins_wk> LostSoul: Are you on a physical console or an xterm?
3695 [20:39:18] <greycat> LostSoul: you mean sudo -i
3696 [20:39:30] <LostSoul> When I used "sudo su" it didn't work, when I did "sudo su -" it worked
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3698 [20:39:40] <LostSoul> Why first way didn't work, I'm wondering
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3700 [20:39:48] <greycat> LostSoul: sudo -i gives you a login shell just like your convoluted multi-layered sudo su thing.
3701 [20:40:05] <LostSoul> greycat: Haha :P
3702 [20:40:16] <LostSoul> I didn't know know -i tbh, thanks, I've learned new thing today
3703 [20:40:20] <jelly> LostSoul: /etc/profile is read by bash only for a login shell, (see man bash, INVOCATION section)
3704 [20:40:28] <jhutchins_wk> There's also sudo /bin/bash
3705 [20:40:36] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: which is still not a login shell
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3707 [20:41:22] <LostSoul> Thanks jelly, jhutchins_wk and greycat :)
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3713 [20:43:05] <AgiofwsWeb> missmbob: i already had read that url replaced-url
3714 [20:43:24] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: did you solve that bit in the meantime?
3715 [20:43:27] <missmbob> AgiofwsWeb: i was talking about your apt-get command
3716 [20:43:34] <missmbob> AgiofwsWeb: you forgot the -t jessie-backports
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3718 [20:44:16] <missmbob> AgiofwsWeb: also, in the backports line add "non-free" after "main" then apt-get update
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3722 [20:45:39] <AgiofwsWeb> i did that exactly after ... i was told to read the url ok say its already done add non-free to the backports line in sources.list? ok
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3724 [20:46:26] <AgiofwsWeb> ok done
3725 [20:46:36] <AgiofwsWeb> now to look for the package ?
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3727 [20:46:59] <AgiofwsWeb> i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: failed to load i915/skl_dmc_ver1.bin
3728 [20:47:00] <AgiofwsWeb> ?
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3730 [20:47:27] <missmbob> you already know the package name(s). you probably want to list them all to make sure they came from backports. that one is firmware-misc-nonfree. and redo the others you were told by jelly
3731 [20:47:51] <AgiofwsWeb> apt-cache search skl_dmc_ver1 firmware-misc-nonfree - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel
3732 [20:47:52] <missmbob> remember the -t jessie-backports in your apt-get and pastebin everything
3733 [20:48:10] <missmbob> why are you showing me that?
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3740 [20:50:11] <AgiofwsWeb> missmbob: firmware-misc-nonfree is already the newest version. the other package was something about intel-xserver and the other was vesa-drm something like that i don't remember and i don;t have the logs i'm from a web client
3741 [20:50:45] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly i added non-free backports
3742 [20:51:12] <missmbob> AgiofwsWeb: come back when you dont have "obligations" so you can actually pay attention
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3744 [20:51:41] <AgiofwsWeb> ftb babies in bed
3745 [20:51:46] <AgiofwsWeb> babys*
3746 [20:51:55] <jelly> babies is correct
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3748 [20:52:10] <AgiofwsWeb> baby is*
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3750 [20:53:08] <AgiofwsWeb> ok now that i have non free i should
3751 [20:53:12] <AgiofwsWeb> apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
3752 [20:53:18] <greycat> "baby's" in this context, as a contraction of "baby is"
3753 [20:53:22] <AgiofwsWeb> maybe that could be correct
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3755 [20:53:36] <zinx> babby's
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3757 [20:53:47] <AgiofwsWeb> baby's*
3758 [20:53:55] <zinx> babby's[sic]
3759 [20:54:00] <AgiofwsWeb> babies is plural...
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3761 [20:54:14] <missmbob> that's why jelly said it. no one has a sense of humor
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3764 [20:54:31] <AgiofwsWeb> i got it...
3765 [20:54:43] <AgiofwsWeb> linux-image-amd64 is already the newest version. xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version
3766 [20:55:07] <AgiofwsWeb> you think i should reboot?
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3768 [20:55:33] <AgiofwsWeb> there was one more package jelly proposed but i don;t remember its name
3769 [20:55:39] <missmbob> AgiofwsWeb: i'm sorry i cant help you. i ask you to pastebin everything...you pastebin nothing. i ask you to read, it takes two times. how can anyone help if you dont do your part?
3770 [20:55:41] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: libgl1-mesa-dri
3771 [20:56:00] <AgiofwsWeb> ok i'll paste
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3775 [20:57:03] <jelly> at this point you can just pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 firmware-misc-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-intel libgl1-mesa-dri"
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3783 [21:00:02] <AgiofwsWeb> replaced-url
3784 [21:00:10] <AgiofwsWeb> and missmbob ^^
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3786 [21:00:28] <AgiofwsWeb> sorry replaced-url
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3788 [21:01:20] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly: missmbob i'm installing apt-get install -t jessie-backports libgl1-mesa-dri
3789 [21:01:25] <AgiofwsWeb> from backports
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3792 [21:02:33] <AgiofwsWeb> jelly: ok replaced-url
3793 [21:03:18] <AgiofwsWeb> should i try and reboot?
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3798 [21:05:38] <jelly> AgiofwsWeb: apt-cache policy output seems fine, so sure, why not try reboot
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3801 [21:06:42] <AgiofwsThankyou> jelly: and missmbob thank you for your patience installing via backports worked :) i can now use gnome...
3802 [21:06:56] <jelly> !win AgiofwsThankyou
3803 [21:07:02] <dpkg> Congratulations, AgiofwsThankyou! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro!
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3807 [21:08:24] <AgiofwsThankyou> jelly: and missmbob its funny because when ever gfx driver failed i would uninstall gdm3 and install lightdm and then i could use xfce to figure things out... why does gnome need the drivers to work while xfce does not?
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3810 [21:08:53] <missmbob> gnome tries to force hw acceleration on everyone.
3811 [21:09:21] <AgiofwsThankyou> ok cool
3812 [21:09:23] <AgiofwsThankyou> solved
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3815 [21:09:58] <AgiofwsThankyou> this is my mothers host so i'm tweaking it.. now to install chrome
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3822 [21:12:03] <latenite> Hi folks, how do I do "ip a a 176.9.160.16/32 peer 176.9.147.201 dev enp0s2" in the /etc/network/interfaces ?
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3824 [21:12:38] <AgiofwsThankyou> Oh and thank you for preventing me f up my system by mixing testing with stable ...
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3833 [21:13:34] <jhutchins_wk> !interfaces
3834 [21:13:34] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
3835 [21:14:28] <th0r> that needs updating I think. resolv.conf isn't where you define the dns anymore, it is /etc/dhcpcd.conf....I think
3836 [21:14:37] <jelly> dpkg, xorg skylake is <reply>Enable <jessie-backports> with included <non-free sources>. apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-misc-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-intel libgl1-mesa-dri
3837 [21:14:37] <dpkg> okay, jelly
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3840 [21:15:34] <jhutchins_wk> th0r: Depends on how you're configuring.
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3842 [21:15:42] <AgiofwsThankyou> hmm i have no sound :P
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3845 [21:16:02] <missmbob> install pavucontrol, run it,
3846 [21:16:11] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Should we note that when enabling non-free contrib is usually a good idea?
3847 [21:16:20] <latenite> jhutchins_wk, I read the man pages but I can not find info about how the 'peer' part of my command is translated to debians config files syntax.
3848 [21:16:21] <th0r> jhutchins_wk, all my devices use static ip with the home network
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3850 [21:16:47] <jhutchins_wk> latenite: What does "peer" do in your example?
3851 [21:17:47] <latenite> jhutchins_wk, if I would only know. I was told to use it...and it works.
3852 [21:17:49] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: it's noted in <non-free sources>
3853 [21:17:53] <jhutchins_wk> th0r: You should be ok manually configuring resolv.conf then. If you don't run dhclient resolvconf doesn't overwrite it.
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3857 [21:18:31] <jhutchins_wk> latenite: Where does your original syntax come from?
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3860 [21:18:50] <th0r> jhutchins_wk, first, I am running raspbian jessie, but I think my debian jessie laptop is the same way. If yo udon't uninstall dhcpcd then it overwrites resolv.conf
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3862 [21:19:19] <latenite> jhutchins_wk, a friend that helped me setup the machine on the commandline.
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3864 [21:19:45] <jhutchins_wk> latenite: peer is not documented in the ip manpage.
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3868 [21:21:16] <jhutchins_wk> latenite: A guess would be that it's trying to set the default gateway - does that sound right?
3869 [21:21:54] <AgiofwsThankyou> ok
3870 [21:22:32] <AgiofwsThankyou> lspci does not give me infor about my onboard sound card how should i search for info about it ? is to cpu specific?
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3874 [21:23:13] <jhutchins_wk> AgiofwsThankyou: lspci -nn, lsusb
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3876 [21:23:38] <jhutchins_wk> AgiofwsThankyou: If there is no driver for the chipset, lspci often does not identify it.
3877 [21:23:51] <aaaq> My laptop has a light to indicate airplane mode, but it
3878 [21:23:57] <aaaq> it's state is reversed
3879 [21:24:18] <gebruiker> why does linux have so many issus setting up
3880 [21:24:22] <aaaq> it is on when airplane mode is off and visa versa
3881 [21:24:32] <gebruiker> i notice alot of q&a in this area
3882 [21:24:36] <jhutchins_wk> gebruiker: Because you have such great control over how it works.
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3884 [21:24:59] <jelly> AgiofwsThankyou: pastebin the output of "aplay -l"
3885 [21:25:05] <jhutchins_wk> aaaq: So it indicates when networking/bluetooth is on.
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3888 [21:25:08] <gebruiker> jhutchins_wk, then what causes so many users to have issues? Is it them?
3889 [21:25:10] <aaaq> gebruiker: because that is the point of this channel (mostly): support
3890 [21:25:27] <jhutchins_wk> gebruiker: It's a learning process.
3891 [21:25:28] <gebruiker> aaaq, but doesn that tell you smoething? Other than the topic print'
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3894 [21:25:50] <aaaq> jhutchins_wk: except it's on the airplane mode button
3895 [21:25:50] <gebruiker> jhutchins_wk, so is linux then for everyone as windows is?
3896 [21:26:05] <gebruiker> as is - in the way windows is
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3898 [21:26:09] <AgiofwsThankyou> jelly: aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found...
3899 [21:26:11] <jelly> gebruiker: it tells you the things are open and visible for everyone to see
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3901 [21:26:16] <aaaq> gebruiker: if you came to a support channel for windows you'd get mostly questions as well
3902 [21:26:16] <jhutchins_wk> gebruiker: I would say no. It's for people who are willing to learn about the system and who want to have control over it.
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3904 [21:26:36] <gebruiker> aaaq, i don know, #windows is pretty quite about these things
3905 [21:27:01] <jhutchins_wk> aaaq: The thing about linux is that there are almost always answers to the questions, whereas Windows has many unknowns, even to cerfied engineers.
3906 [21:27:06] <jelly> AgiofwsThankyou: interesting.
3907 [21:27:07] <aaaq> gebruiker: probably because most people who use windows don't use IRC
3908 [21:27:10] <gebruiker> jhutchins_wk, how many people would you say understand control over their linux system, seeming the nature of the questions?
3909 [21:27:16] <AgiofwsThankyou> jelly: replaced-url
3910 [21:27:17] <jhutchins_wk> Er, gebruiker ^
3911 [21:27:22] <AgiofwsThankyou> replaced-url
3912 [21:27:26] <jelly> AgiofwsThankyou: did it work with the default jessie kernel?
3913 [21:27:29] <gebruiker> aaaq, well, have you used windows 10 ?
3914 [21:27:30] <AgiofwsThankyou> sorry for the \
3915 [21:27:39] <aaaq> gebruiker: yes
3916 [21:27:40] <AgiofwsThankyou> i never tried
3917 [21:27:45] <AgiofwsThankyou> no speakers
3918 [21:27:46] <jhutchins_wk> gebruiker: I'd say it's fewer since Ubuntu came out, but still a pretty good majority.
3919 [21:27:56] <aaaq> jhutchins_wk: your theory makes sense except the indicator light is on the airplane mode button
3920 [21:27:58] <AgiofwsThankyou> let me put the headphones in the rear sockets
3921 [21:28:00] <jelly> gebruiker: if you don't have a debian tech support issue, please move this conversation to #debian-offtopic
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3923 [21:28:14] <jhutchins_wk> gebruiker: Linux users tend to be people who want to figure out how it works and get into managing it rather than people who just want to use it for something.
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3925 [21:28:26] <gebruiker> aaaq, i mean when windows runs it runs and when you install something it is pretty automatic and straightorward
3926 [21:28:32] <jelly> same goes for everyone willing to converse with gebruiker about this
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3928 [21:28:43] <AgiofwsThankyou> nope still
3929 [21:29:04] <aaaq> gebruiker: different strokes for different folks. If you want to continue this, you can go to #debian-offtopic
3930 [21:29:04] <jelly> AgiofwsThankyou: oh, then it's possible the drivers are not ready yet I guess
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3936 [21:29:21] <jhutchins_wk> gebruiker: In many years of experience I have found that in Windows things often DON'T work, and often there's nothing you can do about it. In Linux, there is usually something you can do.
3937 [21:29:32] <jhutchins_wk> gebruiker: It's just that in linux, you sometimes have to do something.
3938 [21:29:50] <AgiofwsThankyou> jelly: jhutchins_wk replaced-url
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3941 [21:30:37] <missmbob> i saw a list of skylake updates in 4.8RC5...dont remember if sound was one. i remember a power management fix
3942 [21:30:38] <aaaq> jhutchins_wk: did you see my previous message?
3943 [21:30:54] <AgiofwsThankyou> so the sound card is not recognized by lspci?
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3947 [21:31:26] <jhutchins_wk> aaaq: I imagine that your laptop has special drivers for Windows, while linux is just treating the hardware as generic.
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3950 [21:31:54] <jelly> AgiofwsThankyou: if you have really fresh hardware, some of the sound cards may be connected via I2S
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3953 [21:32:40] <aaaq> jhutchins_wk: is there any linux command to run to toggle it? Maybe if I manually toggle it will be in the correct state as airplane mode toggles in the future.
3954 [21:32:45] <AgiofwsThankyou> which means no drivers ready for i2c sound cards ?
3955 [21:32:53] <jelly> AgiofwsThankyou: try asking in #alsa, I have no idea how to even list those
3956 [21:32:58] <jelly> i2s
3957 [21:33:12] <jelly> there are SOME drivers eg. replaced-url
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3959 [21:33:44] <jhutchins_wk> aaaq: If there were a standard feature that was implemented the same way on all hardware, there would be linux commands to control it. A feature unique to that hardware, probably not.
3960 [21:33:44] <jelly> possibly not for your hardware or not in 4.6
3961 [21:34:14] <aaaq> jhutchins_wk: OK, thanks anyway. :)
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3963 [21:34:46] <jhutchins_wk> aaaq: I can't think of the package that allows you to control the numlock/shiftlock lights, but there is one.
3964 [21:34:52] <jhutchins_wk> aaaq: Might do something for you.
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3966 [21:35:06] <aaaq> OK, cool.
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3971 [21:36:59] <jhutchins_wk> aaaq: Being linux, it's probably a matter of writing a 1 or a 0 to a pseudo-file or maybe a memory location.
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3974 [21:37:20] <aaaq> jhutchins_wk: yeah.
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3978 [21:39:35] <AgiofwsThankyou> jelly: first off all i have to know what kind of onboard sound card i have...
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3983 [21:40:19] <greycat> usually you'd start with lspci -nn | grep -i audio
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3988 [21:41:52] <jelly> greycat: he's got nothing in ls{pci,usb} remotely resembling audio, and he's got a skylake board/machine
3989 [21:42:31] <jelly> so my bet is I2S connected audio
3990 [21:42:44] <AgiofwsThankyou> jelly: this is the info i found 7.1 CH HD Audio (Realtek ALC887 Audio Codec), ELNA Audio Caps
3991 [21:43:31] <AgiofwsThankyou> jelly: maybe now kernel did not recognize the sound card at all
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3993 [21:43:53] <AgiofwsThankyou> isn't it strange that lspci does not list it at all?
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3998 [21:47:03] <AgiofwsThankyou> replaced-url
3999 [21:47:51] <AgiofwsThankyou> 7.1 CH HD Audio (Realtek ALC887 Audio Codec), ELNA Audio Caps
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4001 [21:48:34] <aaaq> jhutchins_wk: ok, it definitely appears to be deep seeded. Even when I use xinput float to disable the keyboard the airplane mode hotkey still works and functions. I am continuing to look for that package
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4003 [21:48:57] <jelly> AgiofwsThankyou: ask the alsa people about it, I don't have a lot to add at this point
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4007 [21:49:24] <AgiofwsThankyou> ok
4008 [21:49:32] <AgiofwsThankyou> i already am
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4010 [21:51:18] <AgiofwsThankyou> replaced-url
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4020 [21:53:01] <devno> I have to congratulate the Debian project for using the noveau driver by default which crashes debian 8 within no time
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4022 [21:53:23] <AgiofwsThankyou> lsmod | grep snd gives no output
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4025 [21:54:45] <devno> NOUVEAU should be second choice not first one
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4029 [21:55:14] <AgiofwsThankyou> cat /proc/asound/ cat: /proc/asound/: No such file or directory
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4031 [21:56:24] <teraflops> devno: why? because *your* hw crashes?
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4035 [21:56:54] <devno> yes because my NVidia chipset based desktop crashes
4036 [21:57:02] <devno> do you think I'm the only one buying Nvidia?!
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4038 [21:57:12] <zinx> devno: i'm surprised the vesafb driver is working well for you
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4040 [21:58:04] <teraflops> this is unacceptable! hey debian guys please change your philosophy devno hw crashes with nouveau
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4042 [21:58:54] <devno> ok I'm sorry keep crashing the NVidia systems out there :-)
4043 [21:58:54] <greycat> devno: yes, you probably are.
4044 [21:59:12] <jhutchins_wk> devno: I think you might be the only one having that problem.
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4047 [21:59:40] <jhutchins_wk> devno: Different manufacturers implement NVidia chipsets differently.
4048 [21:59:49] <jelly> devno: you have the option to use drivers from non-free
4049 [21:59:57] <jhutchins_wk> devno: LOTS of people use the nouveau driver.
4050 [22:00:34] <jelly> devno: Debian will NEVER default to using non-free drivers. They even pretend they don't make them readily available.
4051 [22:00:38] <jhutchins_wk> devno: What free driver do you think the default should be. Vesa?
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4055 [22:01:44] <teraflops> also I don't know a single distro that defaults to the nvidia blob
4056 [22:01:51] <stardancer> anyone familiar with wipe or secure-delete for overwriting swap partitions?
4057 [22:01:53] <jelly> devno: however, installing nvidia-dkms is two one-liners away and you can automate it if you need to
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4064 [22:02:55] <jhutchins_wk> I don't think Linux distros are allowed to distribute the Nvidia binaries, I think you have to get them from Nvidia (could be wrong).
4065 [22:03:09] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: you're wrong
4066 [22:03:14] <jhutchins_wk> I often am.
4067 [22:03:21] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
4068 [22:03:21] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
4069 [22:03:27] <devno> jhutchins_wk: to be honest I do not care if a hardware driver is free or not as long as it ** now surprise surprise ** isn't crashing the entire system
4070 [22:03:33] <jelly> ^^ second oneliner
4071 [22:03:33] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: otherwise how would debian distribute them though non-free.
4072 [22:03:41] <stardancer> i have tried editing hdparm.conf to disable write caching but it mysteriously turns on after booting (sometimes)
4073 [22:03:48] <stardancer> why may this be?
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4078 [22:04:51] <teraflops> devno: ikr. my laptop didn't work with nouveau till 2 years after I purchased it.
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4081 [22:05:35] <jelly> devno: my old GT220 and current GT720 were also horribly unstable on jessie, unless blob driver was used. Installing it is one edit, and two commands away.
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4084 [22:06:29] <jelly> nouveau on stretch seems reasonably stable with GT720
4085 [22:06:29] <devno> jelly: the nouveau driver should be second choice during the installation
4086 [22:06:32] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: I thought it was like flash and just had a downloader.
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4088 [22:06:47] <teraflops> devno: nope ;)
4089 [22:06:49] <jelly> devno: it will never be, because debian cares about free software
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4094 [22:08:33] <devno> jelly: keep the software free I don't mind but make the hardware work first (regardless of opensource or not)
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4096 [22:08:52] <devno> you won't get access to the designs which the computer is made of either
4097 [22:08:55] <jelly> devno: then what you want is not debian
4098 [22:08:56] <teraflops> devno: nouveau driver insurance on the kernel. you don't install it explicitly. if you want the nvidia blob you install it after the installation is ended
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4101 [22:09:09] <jelly> !social contract
4102 [22:09:09] <dpkg> The Debian Social Contract is the document that defines Debian's purpose, see replaced-url
4103 [22:09:30] <jelly> devno: ^^ read the above if you want to figure out what debian is about
4104 [22:09:36] <teraflops> lol sorry I meant is on the kernel
4105 [22:09:49] <teraflops> friggin phone...
4106 [22:10:09] <devno> binary nvidia drivers are also free no one ever paid for them. But yes I know that you mean opensource
4107 [22:10:09] <jelly> devno: you _can_ run nvidia blob drivers on Debian, but you won't get them by default
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4110 [22:10:24] <teraflops> devno: oh. I'm getting bored
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4112 [22:10:29] <devno> again most people don't care about opensource nvidia drivers because they will never get into it neither have access to the technical details
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4114 [22:10:42] <jelly> devno: then debian is not for those people
4115 [22:10:52] <jelly> simple as that
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4119 [22:11:20] <teraflops> devno: I don't care about free as in freedom but again what you say is a bad idea
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4124 [22:12:02] <jelly> teraflops: it's not necessarily a bad technical idea, but the result would not conform to debian social contract
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4126 [22:12:12] <jelly> so it wouldn't be debian
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4132 [22:13:21] <teraflops> jelly: sure but I think defaulting nvidia blob has no sense in a Linux distribution
4133 [22:13:23] <jelly> devno: you can carve yourself a niche installing and configuring debian for those people and making their hardware work and provide support
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4136 [22:13:51] <jelly> teraflops: disagreed, there's a non-zero amount of sense
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4162 [22:21:28] <mtcj> Do Debian package maintainers have any tricks for automating the building and installing a package and its dependencies with different sources than stock (like the maintainer might have to do before the first package is made)?
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4164 [22:21:44] <devno> teraflops: you can also say what's free is worth nothing; however debian should better use the vesa driver instead of the nouveau one that issue still remains
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4167 [22:22:08] <devno> vesa or whatever doesn't crash the entire system
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4169 [22:22:37] <teraflops> devno: again don't blame debian because of your hw
4170 [22:22:52] <jelly> devno: does the installation finish successfully?
4171 [22:23:00] <devno> jelly: yes, the installer is also okay
4172 [22:23:15] <jelly> then you can change the driver after install
4173 [22:23:21] <devno> just xorg is not stable it flickers whenever some 3D animation should be shown
4174 [22:23:37] <jelly> devno: are you able to change the driver after install, when you detect instability?
4175 [22:23:41] <teraflops> devno: just fix it before the first reboot
4176 [22:23:58] <mtcj> The installer uses vesa and then the booted system uses nouveau and is not working?
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4182 [22:24:48] <goddanmmit> i am encountring q huge problem
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4184 [22:24:53] <devno> teraflops: right but that doesn't solve the problem for other ones either
4185 [22:25:18] <goddanmmit> Debian is printing end kernel pqnic, attempted to kill i.it
4186 [22:25:29] <goddanmmit> i cant boot
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4188 [22:25:33] <teraflops> devno: the what?
4189 [22:25:52] <jelly> goddanmmit: can you upload a screenshot (perhaps made with a phone camera)?
4190 [22:26:00] <goddanmmit> sure
4191 [22:26:19] <devno> the issue will still be there in the ground system that it won't work for many
4192 [22:26:21] <jelly> to imgur or picpaste.com or wherever
4193 [22:26:42] <jelly> devno: how many samples did you take?
4194 [22:26:55] <jelly> 2 people? 20?
4195 [22:27:14] <devno> I doubt that nvidia has only built 3 systems :-)
4196 [22:27:14] <mtcj> devno: you have to be careful about claiming an issue affects many.
4197 [22:27:16] <teraflops> heh
4198 [22:27:45] <jelly> devno: I doubt that you can attest the exact same issue affects "many"
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4200 [22:28:16] <jelly> my jessie with nvidia only crashed after 48-72 hours
4201 [22:28:36] <jelly> devno: are you able to change the driver after install, when you detect instability?
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4204 [22:29:29] <devno> jelly: I am yes, the problem is there; aside of that debian runs nicely on that sytem
4205 [22:29:46] <mtcj> Do you have any log output showing the issue btw?
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4207 [22:29:58] <devno> me? a complete freeze?
4208 [22:30:00] <mtcj> Could file a bug report and see if others can reproduce it
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4210 [22:30:17] <mtcj> Syslog to a remote machine perhaps
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4212 [22:30:25] <mtcj> That might log up to the freeze
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4214 [22:30:30] <jelly> mtcj: good luck with that
4215 [22:30:33] <mtcj> Idk
4216 [22:30:45] <mtcj> Not sure how to monitor an ultimate freeze
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4218 [22:31:20] <mtcj> Is there a good way?
4219 [22:31:26] <teraflops> serial console?
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4221 [22:31:36] <mtcj> Ah
4222 [22:31:40] <jelly> pstore is good if the system is fresh enough; serial console if it's old enough to have an actual serial port; kdump if you manage to set it up
4223 [22:31:46] <devno> leasy to reproduce just start up glxgears and the system is done
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4225 [22:31:49] <devno> -l
4226 [22:31:55] <jelly> netconsole ... dunno, never tried
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4228 [22:32:33] <jelly> devno: can you fix it by installing nvidia-kernel-dkms instead?
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4232 [22:33:28] <missmbob> this is getting ridiculou :P
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4235 [22:33:37] <mtcj> hi missmbob
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4238 [22:33:48] <fkingnames> hy
4239 [22:33:51] <mtcj> I got you an S at the store if you want it
4240 [22:33:57] <mtcj> :p
4241 [22:33:57] <jelly> fkingnames: it is you, goddanmmit
4242 [22:34:05] <fkingnames> yea
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4245 [22:34:19] <fkingnames> i cant past fk
4246 [22:34:24] <ffa> Is NTFS your only option if you need to switch portable media between Windows and linux if you handle large files?
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4249 [22:34:44] <missmbob> ffa: exfat
4250 [22:34:51] <fkingnames> fkin smartphobws brb
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4254 [22:35:56] <teraflops> ffa: replaced-url
4255 [22:36:06] <fkingsmartphon> replaced-url
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4257 [22:36:34] <fkingsmartphon> fuck the washin machine has done working
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4259 [22:37:08] <fkingsmartphon> does the image work?
4260 [22:37:14] <teraflops> yep
4261 [22:37:24] <fkingsmartphon> tenks
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4264 [22:38:00] <teraflops> there's a ptpb client for android that works like a dream
4265 [22:38:11] <fkingsmartphon> so to solve this ...
4266 [22:38:14] <jelly> fkingsmartphon: do you have a older kernel to boot instead the default one?
4267 [22:38:22] <fkingsmartphon> nope
4268 [22:38:33] <fkingsmartphon> i am on stretch apla 05
4269 [22:38:34] <teraflops> replaced-url
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4272 [22:38:48] <missmbob> of course you care
4273 [22:38:51] <teraflops> like 5 secs to upload a image or paste
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4275 [22:38:58] <teraflops> fiddlerwoaroof: ah
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4277 [22:38:58] <jelly> fkingsmartphon: does this happen even if you pick the rescue mode menu entry in the grub menu
4278 [22:39:02] <fkingsmartphon> its the memory
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4282 [22:39:09] <fkingsmartphon> yea
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4286 [22:39:12] <jelly> oh stretch
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4288 [22:39:27] <fkingsmartphon> dont send me
4289 [22:39:33] <missmbob> i dont know how newbies even find those. such a pain in the ass
4290 [22:39:34] <jelly> I'll send you!
4291 [22:39:37] <fkingsmartphon> to another channel
4292 [22:39:41] <fkingsmartphon> no
4293 [22:39:42] <jelly> mwahahahhahaa
4294 [22:39:43] <Aaron> Hello can Someone help me. I'm using debian testing and all my Graphics are very Big, and I already try with the gnome settings. but the resolutions are only Big.
4295 [22:39:47] <Aaron> how can I fix this issue?
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4297 [22:39:52] <fkingsmartphon> please
4298 [22:39:59] <fkingsmartphon> xD
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4300 [22:40:15] <fkingsmartphon> debian_dev
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4302 [22:40:44] <jelly> fkingsmartphon: but really, boot a livecd of some sort, mount your STRETCH system, chroot /where/you/mounted/it, and try to install a different kernel and boot that
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4305 [22:41:13] <fkingsmartphon> i dnt have a livevdvd
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4307 [22:41:41] <jelly> then make a live dvd or live usb on a friends' machine
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4311 [22:41:58] <fkingsmartphon> i dnt hv friends near
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4313 [22:42:21] <fkingsmartphon> wait i think someone is i n the toilet
4314 [22:42:21] <jelly> then you're screwed, possibly
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4316 [22:42:26] <jelly> you chose to run testing, you live with the consequences
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4318 [22:42:41] <jelly> next time have at least one older kernel installed
4319 [22:42:42] <fkingsmartphon> just kiddingm. any other options
4320 [22:43:03] <fkingsmartphon> how bout i change some shit in grub
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4322 [22:43:16] <jhutchins_wk> fkingsmartphon: Clearly you're on some kind of internet-capable device now.
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4324 [22:43:27] <jelly> well, there's not much to change if you don't have a different kernel to try
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4329 [22:43:38] <teraflops> the frigging phone
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4333 [22:43:47] <fkingsmartphon> i got a seg fault
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4335 [22:44:01] <fkingsmartphon> after restarting i got thisverror
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4338 [22:44:13] <jhutchins_wk> He could order a disk from cheapbytes or pendrivelinux.
4339 [22:44:19] <fkingsmartphon> i think from installing mysql
4340 [22:44:36] <fkingsmartphon> server
4341 [22:44:51] <jelly> fkingsmartphon: if you only have one computer, I strongly suggest running the stable release of Debian instead of testing
4342 [22:45:06] <jelly> one general-purpose* computer
4343 [22:45:07] <fkingsmartphon> cant i just talk to Linux in binary?
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4345 [22:45:28] <jelly> you can't, Linux is dead when kernel panics so it can't hear ya
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4348 [22:46:10] <fkingsmartphon> how about communicating with grub from a io capable interface
4349 [22:46:30] <jelly> is called a keyboard
4350 [22:46:45] <fkingsmartphon> xD
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4352 [22:47:10] <fkingsmartphon> i can just use a telegraph to communicate in bits
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4354 [22:47:30] <fkingsmartphon> i hv one somewhere
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4357 [22:47:53] <jelly> fkingsmartphon: orly, which BAUD RATES does it support
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4359 [22:48:01] <fkingsmartphon> 36000
4360 [22:48:07] <jelly> lies!
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4365 [22:48:17] <jelly> no soup for you
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4373 [22:50:19] <jelly> fkingsmartphon: have a 15 minute cooling period, come back when you're coh... oh well
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4383 [22:52:46] <ripdisk> hey guys, i scored these little tiny micro computers....kind of like the rasberry pi, but different. they say 3300MX- HAP on them. Apparently, they have solid state sata drives built in somehow too! Anyway, I tried to install an os....went with lubuntu cos it's tiny, right? apparently i have to have a 586 kernel :( what's the easiest way to go abou tthis? is there an installation i can download
4384 [22:52:47] <mtcj> Is there a package maintainer channel?
4385 [22:52:47] <ripdisk> for a friggin 586 chipset? also, are there any OTHER operating systems out there that i'd be able to use?
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4388 [22:53:49] <mtcj> apb_away please turn that off
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4391 [22:54:33] <mtcj> ripdisk: see replaced-url
4392 [22:55:03] <mtcj> It discusses how as of May Debian i386 now requires a 686 CPU
4393 [22:55:22] <RoyK> ripdisk: MSDOS could work :D
4394 [22:55:32] <ripdisk> :(
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4396 [22:55:57] <ripdisk> poop.
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4399 [22:56:45] <ripdisk> buy a usb floppy drive and bust out my windows 3.1 floppys
4400 [22:56:47] <mtcj> That means you can still use older versions. You may also be able to build a version that works on 586 or find one if one already exists
4401 [22:56:59] <ripdisk> yeah
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4403 [22:57:13] <ripdisk> where can i find an older version
4404 [22:57:34] <ffa> 5.25 inch floopys
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4406 [22:57:58] <nkuttler> !tell ripdisk about archive
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4409 [22:58:17] <cdb23ax> hello i have a strange problem with a application
4410 [22:58:42] <cdb23ax> i am using kvm and i have a gaming vm
4411 [22:58:50] <cdb23ax> i mean a gameserver vm
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4413 [22:59:15] <cdb23ax> if i assign 2 cores the gameserver performs very very bad
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4416 [22:59:31] <cdb23ax> if i only assign 1 core the gameservers performance is very good
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4418 [22:59:45] <mtcj> How are you currently running VMs?
4419 [22:59:59] <cdb23ax> i pinned the vm to core 6 and 7 bad performance
4420 [23:00:13] <cdb23ax> i pinned the vm to core 6 or core 7 good performance with only 1 core instead of 2
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4422 [23:01:08] <cdb23ax> i pinned every vm to 1 or 2 cores
4423 [23:01:13] <cdb23ax> no overbooking
4424 [23:01:19] <mtcj> How are you currently running the VMs
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4427 [23:03:00] <AgiofwsWeb> hello
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4429 [23:03:25] <ffa> type 2
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4435 [23:04:09] <cdb23ax> replaced-url
4436 [23:04:17] <cdb23ax> this is how i run this gaming vm
4437 [23:04:21] <AgiofwsWeb> can anyone tell me why i cant find /etc/modprobe/alsa.base or No sould card listed in lspci ? i'm supposed to have an onboard sound chip replaced-url
4438 [23:04:53] <pkrzywicki> enable it in bios maybe
4439 [23:04:55] <pkrzywicki> ?
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4441 [23:05:49] <AgiofwsWeb> lspci | grep Audio lists nothing isn't it strange?
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4444 [23:06:40] <AgiofwsWeb> can anyone tell me why i don;t even have a alsa-base.conf file ?
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4446 [23:07:27] <greycat> titan:~$ locate alsa-base.conf
4447 [23:07:27] <greycat> titan:~$
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4464 [23:12:59] <AgiofwsWeb> greycat: nothing at all
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4466 [23:13:17] <AgiofwsWeb> i think my kernel does not recognize my sound card
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4468 [23:13:36] <AgiofwsWeb> what should i do is my kernel too new?
4469 [23:13:44] <AgiofwsWeb> or isit my sound card?
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4472 [23:14:07] <AgiofwsWeb> 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.4-1~bpo8+1 (2016-08-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux ?
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4491 [23:21:12] <devno> to come back to the nvidia issue nouveau doesn't work and the binary driver of the non-free package doesn't install
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4500 [23:27:55] <somiaj> devno: the non-free binary installs just fine provided you are following the rules to install it form debian non-free and are running debian stable.
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4502 [23:28:27] <devno> I'm trying to install the binary provided by nvidia
4503 [23:28:39] <devno> the non-free doesn't install as I mentioned
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4505 [23:29:27] <somiaj> devno: installing the binary blob from nvidia.com was not recommended to you, and is not suggested or supported in #debian. Use the packages from debian non-free
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4507 [23:29:46] <devno> somiaj: well it doesn't install.
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4509 [23:30:04] <somiaj> !doesn't work
4510 [23:30:04] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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4512 [23:30:18] <devno> this is a fresh x86-64 debian installation and some dependencies are not met
4513 [23:30:20] <devno> some packages are not available it seems
4514 [23:30:38] <somiaj> !nvidia-dkms
4515 [23:30:47] <devno> nvidia-dkms does not install
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4518 [23:32:27] <missmbob> you probably need non-free in sources
4519 [23:32:32] <devno> seems like dkms is doing something.
4520 [23:32:34] <missmbob> !nvidia dkms
4521 [23:32:34] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
4522 [23:33:30] <mtcj> I'd like to see what packages aren't available
4523 [23:33:34] <olscumpy> !non-free sources
4524 [23:33:34] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
4525 [23:33:58] <mtcj> And how you actually find the nvidia-driver but can't find the deps
4526 [23:34:04] <olscumpy> is that the best way to get broadcom wifi drivers?
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4539 [23:39:06] <lifeofguenter> hmm httpredir.debian.net absolutely makes no sense
4540 [23:39:27] <lifeofguenter> I am in Germany and it selects an austrian mirror, from AWS it will select a mirror in UK
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4545 [23:41:00] <mtcj> What leads you to believe that doesn't make sense?
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4548 [23:43:25] <lifeofguenter> Well why would it not select a German mirror if I am in Germany?
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4550 [23:43:39] <lifeofguenter> Or at least one that is closer (NL, BE, UK)
4551 [23:43:49] <mtcj> Geography doesn't necessarily indicate network closeness.
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4558 [23:45:39] <lifeofguenter> that's true
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4561 [23:45:54] <lifeofguenter> so when I am in South Africa, selecting a mirror in IT because it is faster
4562 [23:46:13] <lifeofguenter> and because there are no mirrors in ZA :)
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4565 [23:47:18] <mtcj> Maybe not so much fast but less hops away?
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4567 [23:47:30] <mtcj> I think that's how stuff like that is determined
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4573 [23:49:43] <lifeofguenter> hmm unlikely that a server in the same city would have less hops than a server in a different continent - and if that were the case, and that was the factor, then my initial thought still counts: httpredir.debian.net does not make sense :)
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4580 [23:50:14] <lifeofguenter> it might work for a specific group of people, but I think it is trying to solve a problem with the wrong tools/approach
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4587 [23:52:55] <mtcj> It actually makes tons of sense. A server located in the same city could go through several networks before reaching a backbone, then back to you. A server nearer to the backbone would have less hops.
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4593 [23:53:59] <olscumpy> I got the b43 firmware installed for my wifi card. how do I enable it and look for wireless networks?
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4597 [23:54:31] <unkmar> How do I start a second x session. Current install has LXDE and I don't find xinit or startx. I do see startlxde.
4598 [23:54:54] <lifeofguenter> mtcj: I hear a lot of "theories" - I am not talking about "could" I am talking about a real situation, and the real situation is, that it is httpredir.debian.net is not selecting the ideal server..
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4600 [23:55:03] <lifeofguenter> else I wouldnt care and post my concern here ;)
4601 [23:55:05] <mtcj> olscumpy: replaced-url
4602 [23:55:09] <unkmar> My desire is to open a second X session as a separate user.
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4604 [23:55:54] <mtcj> lifeofguenter: "ideal" barely affects the user, but greatly affects the mirror.
4605 [23:55:55] <lifeofguenter> that is just a fact. and I tested it from multiple locations, none of them selected a server that was ideal for my location, e.g. manually selecting a server gave me better performance. So for me the question is then: what sense does httpredir make? How does it help?
4606 [23:56:18] <mtcj> You won't notice a significant difference.
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4608 [23:56:31] <lifeofguenter> hm but I do?
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4611 [23:56:57] <lifeofguenter> there is a huge difference from South Africa when downloading from Italy, or downloading from a server in the same city ;D
4612 [23:56:59] <lifeofguenter> very huge...
4613 [23:58:11] <missmbob> i know ntfs-3g is pretty solid these days...how is exfat? more solid, worse, about the same?
4614 [23:58:35] <mtcj> lifeofguenter: define huge difference
4615 [23:59:14] <lifeofguenter> 100mbit vs. 10mbit
4616 [23:59:14] <mtcj> latency, download speed, time for HTTP/etc response?
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4620 [23:59:41] <mtcj> Exactly speed has nothing to do with it. One mirror just has a faster uplink.
4621 [23:59:48] <lifeofguenter> latency difference between ~ 10ms and 180ms
4622 [23:59:49] <lifeofguenter> ouch...
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