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• 5[00:02:57] <darsie> Shall I get key FF68370A and add it with apt-key?
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• 11[00:04:40] <Elronnd> xsetroot doesn't work for me under GNOME
• 12[00:04:44] <Elronnd> is there a way to get it to work?
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• 14[00:05:43] <klys> probably not under gnome
• 15[00:05:57] <klys> you would have to adjust your gnome background settings
• 16[00:06:00] <Elronnd> is there an equivelant short of making an image of the colour I want?
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• 18[00:06:49] <darsie> I installed the enigmail from the enigmail website.
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• 26[00:10:01] <Elronnd> Here we go
• 27[00:10:05] <Elronnd> I set it in gsettings
• 28[00:10:07] <Elronnd> worked like a charm
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• 30[00:11:58] <missmbob> darkman: thunderbird is pretty much abandoned. sure you wanna use that?
• 31[00:12:23] <missmbob> darkman: evolution has native pgp support, btw
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• 36[00:14:42] <Elronnd> I like thunderbird
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• 38[00:14:49] <Elronnd> I used to use it for IRC and usenet
• 39[00:14:54] <Elronnd> before I switched to irssi and alpine
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• 54[00:21:53] <Eli420> Hey everyone, im trying to install a new wireless adapter on my laptop and im running in to some troubles with my "make" commands could anyone help me out?
• 55[00:22:04] <Elronnd> can you give us the error?
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• 57[00:23:01] <missmbob> probably apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` build-essential
• 58[00:23:44] <Eli420> Ok when I cd to the drivers i installed from their website and put in the "make" command I am getting No rule to make target 'modules'. Stop.
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• 61[00:24:06] <Elronnd> that's an error I've gotten when using bsdmake when I want to be using GNU make
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• 63[00:24:11] <Elronnd> but that shouldn't be an issue on debian
• 64[00:24:33] <missmbob> you need to learn to give more detail. which chipset? which website? pastebin lspci -nn
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• 66[00:24:51] <Elronnd> and don't use the pastebin.com pastebin, that one sucks
• 67[00:24:53] <missmbob> and pastebin the entire command/output
• 68[00:25:15] <missmbob> !pastebinit
• 69[00:25:15] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
• 70[00:25:32] <missmbob> (jessie uses paste.debian.net by default)
• 71[00:25:44] <Eli420> Let me see if i can paste it somehow, its on my laptop and im using my desktop currently
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• 78[00:28:17] <timBandTech> My laptop is not behaving well with Debian Testing. Hard drive spins way too long and lid up/down requires hard power cycle to recover from. Any advice on packages I should have installed?
• 79[00:28:28] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 80[00:28:28] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 89[00:31:03] <timBandTech> OK thanks I'll try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 90[00:31:41] <Elronnd> debian keeps freezing
• 91[00:31:51] <Elronnd> when I try to type something into a text box on reddit on chrome
• 92[00:32:17] <DeaDSouL> I wonder, if I installed a mail server, on my home server.. can I use it to send emails to gmails or any othe mail providers ? without having global domain? like something.com
• 93[00:32:58] <climjark> hello all
• 94[00:33:19] <klys> deadsoul, the most basic spam filter is to compare the domain where something is sent from to the From: line in the email.
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• 96[00:33:43] <Elronnd> klys: I've sent emails where the from header is different from the sent domain all the time
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• 101[00:34:54] <missmbob> Elronnd: i've done this replaced-url
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• 104[00:35:22] <Elronnd> missmbob: does that just make postfix use gmail as its smtp server and thus itself act as a proxy for gmail?
• 105[00:35:29] <missmbob> Elronnd: yes
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• 107[00:35:53] <Elronnd> I see no reason to do that over configuring my client to connect to gmail
• 108[00:36:43] <missmbob> it lets your system send emails. like everything that goes to root will actually get to a real email address, etc
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• 110[00:37:01] <DeaDSouL> klys: so, you're saying I can send them, but they will be marked as spam?
• 111[00:37:19] <Elronnd> missmbob: what do you mean by that
• 112[00:37:30] <Elronnd> what's the difference between that and configuring my client to connect to gmail?
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• 114[00:37:44] <klys> deadsoul, you'll have to try it for yourself. try getting the hostname of your ip address with host 1.2.3.4
• 115[00:37:55] <missmbob> Elronnd: i just told you. your box will be able to get important messages sent to your real gmail
• 116[00:38:26] <missmbob> Elronnd: using fail2ban and someone tripped it? email gets sent to root. then gmail. and apticron, and all sorts of daemons send root emails
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• 118[00:39:33] <DeaDSouL> klys: I will use the mail server, just for me... so the server send me some mails about the server... should I still getting a hostname?
• 119[00:39:57] <Elronnd> gmail forces all emails sent through it to have a from address of your gmail account
• 120[00:40:06] <Elronnd> so that anything replying to that message will also go to gmail
• 121[00:40:16] <Elronnd> ohh, I see what you mean
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• 161[01:01:25] <kwlll> helloworld
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• 163[01:01:35] <kwlll> I have a question
• 164[01:01:51] <hellyeah> hmm
• 165[01:01:54] <kwlll> how do i enable my speakers
• 166[01:02:03] <kwlll> headphones work but speakers do not
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• 168[01:02:10] <kwlll> all are built in
• 169[01:02:13] <hellyeah> do windows key
• 170[01:02:14] <missmbob> kwlll: you probably install pavucontrol and run it
• 171[01:02:16] <hellyeah> type sound
• 172[01:02:27] <hellyeah> and enable your spoeakers?
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• 177[01:04:13] <Elronnd> Why does debian keep freezing up?
• 178[01:04:16] <Elronnd> Is it a GNOME problem?
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• 180[01:04:19] <Elronnd> A browser problem?
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• 182[01:04:52] <missmbob> Elronnd: why dont you ask the testing channel like i told you to?
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• 184[01:06:04] <kwlll> lol have to install it
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• 186[01:06:15] <kwlll> status report coming soon
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• 189[01:07:18] <Elronnd> missmbob: I thought you were talking to someone else
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• 194[01:10:47] <qqz_> if I have debian stretch i.e. testing installed is there any way to get kde-plasma4?
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• 196[01:11:00] <qqz_> plasma5 does not work at me
• 197[01:11:04] <missmbob> you ask the testing channel
• 198[01:11:05] <missmbob> jesus
• 199[01:11:08] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 200[01:11:08] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 202[01:11:11] <qqz_> it has some screen distortions
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• 204[01:11:21] <missmbob> qqz_: go there please ^
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• 218[01:14:30] <kwlll> grrrrr
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• 220[01:14:39] <kwlll> deamon says its already running
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• 224[01:15:00] <missmbob> pavucontrol isn't a daemon. what are you doing?
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• 226[01:15:45] <apii> missmbob: how to get an "invitation" for #debian-next?
• 227[01:15:59] <missmbob> apii: you dont. it's on OFTC, not freenode.
• 228[01:16:00] <Elronnd> apii: read it again
• 229[01:16:04] <Elronnd> !debian-next
• 230[01:16:04] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 236[01:17:37] <leba2> In sshd config, for "allowrootlogin", what's the difference between "without password" and "no", if both prevent root from logging in remotely?
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• 238[01:18:03] <missmbob> without password means you can use a key
• 239[01:18:04] <kwlll> replaced-url
• 240[01:18:28] <missmbob> kwlll: i didnt tell you to run pulseaudio. i told you to run pavucontrol
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• 242[01:18:51] <leba2> missmbob: ah, like a ssh key?
• 243[01:18:55] <missmbob> leba2: correct
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• 246[01:20:00] <leba2> Aahh, ok, thanks.
• 247[01:20:16] <kwlll> same boat
• 248[01:20:20] <kwlll> been here
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• 250[01:20:29] <kwlll> i see the sound playing but it does play on the speakers
• 251[01:20:32] <leba2> But, in order to setup a key, wouldn't one need to log in *with* password first indeed?
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• 255[01:21:09] <missmbob> leba2: that's the norm. you could always email your key to the admin and he'd put it in your ~/.ssh i guess.
• 256[01:21:36] <sideup66> i decided i am going to leave the exim timers alone
• 257[01:21:41] <sideup66> it works, and the testing from mdadm woks
• 258[01:21:44] <leba2> Aaahh, so there are indeed other ways other than just ssh-copy-id...
• 259[01:21:55] <sideup66> works, thanks jmcnaught and everyone who helped :) and Jim
• 260[01:22:02] <missmbob> exim makes me want to punch myself
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• 262[01:22:09] <sideup66> why
• 263[01:22:18] <missmbob> posftix makes so much more sense
• 264[01:22:19] <winsen> Hi all
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• 266[01:22:31] <sideup66> bah it has a simple job and is built in
• 267[01:22:44] <leba2> In another thing, by any chance does anyone here knows about samba 4 ad dc?
• 268[01:22:47] <sideup66> dunno how hard it is to switch, i managed to set alias so all alerts going to root are routed to that email
• 269[01:22:56] <sideup66> and the alias is configured in mdadm
• 270[01:22:58] <winsen> How can I restore removed files/formted dvd?
• 271[01:23:02] <sideup66> and exim is configured for my email so that works
• 272[01:23:12] <missmbob> leba2: their official channel is on freenode #samba
• 273[01:23:34] <leba2> It's iddle
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• 276[01:23:37] <winsen> Is it possible with testisk or photorec? what do suggest?
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• 278[01:23:49] <winsen> what do you suggest?
• 279[01:24:26] <sam008> hallo
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• 288[01:28:16] <oo_miguel> hi
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• 292[01:29:26] <kwlll> its running
• 293[01:29:29] <kwlll> i see the input
• 294[01:29:38] <kwlll> no sound coming tho
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• 296[01:31:14] <oo_miguel> I booted debian-live from an usb stick on a lap withot a working disk and after playing for a couple of hours I realized that all my "work/play" is withing a temporal overlay inside the RAM only (right?). There is still plenty of unpartitioned space on the usb stick. Can I somehow persist the state?
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• 298[01:32:15] <sam008> hallo room
• 299[01:32:55] <missmbob> oo_miguel: right. and no, deebian doesn't officially support persistent. you might find some hack blog that may or may not work
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• 310[01:36:34] <rijdfdfp> ho man, what a mess
• 311[01:36:47] <missmbob> let me guess. another testing user
• 312[01:36:58] <rijdfdfp> using menulibre and alacarte at the same time was a terrible idea
• 313[01:37:10] <oo_miguel> missmbob: oooh ok. I thought this would'nt make so much difference at all, if this overaul is in kept in RAM or on some other medium.
• 314[01:37:19] <rijdfdfp> I have no app at all now in the menu. Is there a way to regenerate everything ?
• 315[01:37:34] <oo_miguel> s/overaul/overlay
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• 318[01:38:08] <elige> ¿cómo cambiar el idioma del Inglés al español
• 319[01:38:11] <missmbob> !es
• 320[01:38:12] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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• 356[01:50:34] <sideup66> hey room
• 357[01:50:44] <sideup66> anyone know how to configure exim's queue times for mail
• 358[01:50:50] <sideup66> sweet lord this thing is complicatd
• 359[01:51:01] <missmbob> yeah. like i said. fuck exim
• 360[01:51:14] <sideup66> i see why you say that
• 361[01:51:19] <sideup66> except i just need this and im good lol
• 362[01:51:23] <sideup66> next time, i wont be using exim
• 363[01:51:31] <missmbob> sideup66: they have an official channel at #exim on OFTC (not freenode)
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• 371[01:54:55] <ffa> how do you change the charter layout
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• 378[01:56:15] <kathyrpk> replaced-url
• 379[01:56:16] <sideup66> missmbob, im there
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• 382[01:56:21] <sideup66> i think its naptime in the room though
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• 387[01:57:36] <missmbob> sideup66: they're the only ones that would know. this is people who run stable
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• 390[01:58:02] <sideup66> i found it missmbob
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• 392[01:58:08] <sideup66> it resends after 30 mins
• 393[01:58:09] <sideup66> fair enough
• 394[01:58:11] <sideup66> ill take it
• 395[01:58:12] <sideup66> lol
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• 400[01:58:51] <sideup66> so yeah lol, thats not bad
• 401[01:58:53] <sideup66> i expected worse
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• 405[02:01:11] <sideup66> missmbob, welp, i fixed the damn valdez lol
• 406[02:01:44] <sideup66> ok, time to clean up caches and such and park this thing
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• 419[02:04:55] <sideup66> im out, be on laptop, gotta get stuff now
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• 428[02:07:48] <BinBasher> anyone else having problems using gnome's alarm clock feature in jessie? no sound is played.. does anyone know which audio file it uses?
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• 497[02:52:40] <sideup66> anyone need help at the moment?
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• 500[02:56:32] <klys> sideup66, ask
• 501[02:56:40] <klys> jk
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• 509[03:01:17] <ksft> I have a few problems
• 510[03:01:22] <ksft> sideup66: ^
• 511[03:01:34] <ectospasm> !ask
• 512[03:01:35] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 513[03:01:47] <ksft> I have a laptop with an integrated Intel graphics card and a dedicated Nvidia one.
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• 515[03:02:05] <missmbob> so optimus?
• 516[03:02:06] <ksft> ectospasm: I know. I was responding to sideup66 first.
• 517[03:02:09] <missmbob> !optimus
• 518[03:02:09] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
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• 521[03:02:25] <ksft> I've had a lot of trouble with it.
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• 523[03:02:33] <ksft> I want to make sure I set it up right.
• 524[03:02:44] <missmbob> so has everyone else. read what the bot said
• 525[03:02:53] <ksft> I did
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• 528[03:03:14] <ksft> I need a proprietary driver installed to use Bumblebee, right?
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• 530[03:03:58] <missmbob> ksft i dont know what you did. you can use propietary with sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus
• 531[03:04:08] <missmbob> the wiki really covers it
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• 533[03:04:31] <winsen> Hi all, can you please how many users can Debian server bear for local service and/or webservice?
• 534[03:04:57] <winsen> *can you please tell me...
• 535[03:05:06] <missmbob> winsen: no
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• 537[03:06:16] <klys> winsen, openldap + pam-ldap may support a fair deal more users than your flat files.
• 538[03:06:52] <missmbob> depends entirely what he's/she's talking about. no info no idea.
• 539[03:07:19] <ksft> "[ERROR]You've no permission to communicate with the Bumblebee daemon. Try adding yourself to the 'bumblebee' group"
• 540[03:07:22] <ksft> "[ERROR]Could not connect to bumblebee daemon - is it running?"
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• 543[03:07:41] <ksft> I am in the bumblebee group
• 544[03:07:51] <missmbob> ksft: so add yourself to bumblebee and then log out and back in for it to take effect
• 545[03:07:54] <ksft> oh--I should try logging out and logging back in
• 546[03:07:58] <missmbob> ksft: yes
• 547[03:08:03] <ksft> d/quit
• 548[03:08:06] <ksft> oops
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• 551[03:09:08] <missmbob> where's my Tom012 ? i need to tag team out
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• 553[03:09:21] <ksft> "[ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) /dev/dri/card1: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied"
• 554[03:09:23] <ksft> "[ERROR]Aborting because fallback start is disabled."
• 555[03:10:36] <ksft> oh, it's on that page
• 556[03:10:54] <missmbob> that's why i linked you to it :P
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• 559[03:11:05] <missmbob> anyway, gotta go. good luck
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• 563[03:12:26] <ksft> tried what it said there
• 564[03:12:28] <ksft> didn't work
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• 597[03:21:03] <rawf> Hey I'm really freaked out. I completely reformated my laptop and gave it a new hostname, but now it has some how restored the previous hostname on its own! I'm using the entire HDD for an encrypted partition, so I don't understand where this could have come from!
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• 601[03:22:45] <OerHeks> rawf, did you change it in 2 places ?? /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
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• 609[03:25:39] <rawf> OerHeks: The harddrive was completely overwritten with random data before this system was configured
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• 611[03:26:07] <RoyK> rawf: something in nds?
• 612[03:26:11] <RoyK> DNS
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• 614[03:26:42] <OerHeks> oh my bad, didn't read it right.
• 615[03:26:47] <rawf> hmm. both of those files still read the new hostname
• 616[03:27:09] <rawf> yet my "$HOST" variable is the old hostname in all TTY's
• 617[03:27:19] <rawf> a DNS server can overwrite my hostname?
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• 619[03:27:44] <RoyK> depends on the config - sometimes the host takes its hostname from dns
• 620[03:27:50] <RoyK> with dhcp
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• 628[03:31:12] <rawf> RoyK: do you know what configuration that would be under?
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• 655[03:46:11] <missmbob> are idepads as good as thinkpads as far as linux compatibility is concerned?
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• 657[03:46:25] <missmbob> never had an ideapad
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• 661[03:48:58] <ryouma> rawf: i have no host env variable
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• 663[03:49:49] <missmbob> rawf: you're having hostnames problem? replaced-url
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• 674[03:56:55] <random_numbers> How are these seemingly standardized manuals we see for a lot of programs generated? example: replaced-url
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• 712[04:20:33] <Epakai> random_numbers: view source, see <meta name="Generator" content="makeinfo">, makeinfo is a part of texinfo package
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• 714[04:21:43] <random_numbers> Hm. Wouldn't have thought to check the source, despite how obvious that is in hindsight. Thanks.
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• 716[04:22:20] <naptastic> hey, I know this is a weird question, but if I want to apt-get install the Debian-provided kernel, what's the name of it? There's currently no kernel installed on this system. (Yes, really. I'm chrooted in.)
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• 721[04:24:30] <klys> naptastic, see the packages in replaced-url
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• 725[04:25:04] <missmbob> naptastic: we need to see your sources.list and what apt-get command you tried plus output
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• 730[04:25:31] <random_numbers> Anyone has tried converting LaTeX to texinfo using pandoc?
• 731[04:25:45] <missmbob> naptastic: and apt-cache policy. pastebin all of that to paste.debian.net
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• 742[04:35:48] <naptastic> klys, that's exactly what I needed. Thanks!
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• 744[04:36:05] <klys> yw.
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• 768[04:56:15] <winsen> Hi all
• 769[04:56:19] <winsen> anybody home?
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• 784[05:02:30] <awal1> winsen, do you have any debian related question?
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• 788[05:04:42] <winsen> awal1: yes, can you tell me what is the lastest microkernel debian version and what is its life span?
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• 794[05:06:49] <winsen> awal1: wha is the difference between GNU Hurd version and debianGNU/hurd?
• 795[05:07:13] <winsen> awal1: are you still there?
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• 799[05:08:33] <awal1> winsen, debian wiki have several entries about all that
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• 802[05:09:53] <awal1> debian
• 803[05:10:25] <winsen> awal1: you didn't really reply to my question.
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• 805[05:12:32] <awal1> winsen, if you are looking for a magistral class about gnu hurd and debian gnu hurd project, I'm the wrong person
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• 807[05:16:27] <awal1> !hurd
• 808[05:16:27] <dpkg> GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. replaced-url
• 809[05:17:03] <awal1> winsen, ^
• 810[05:17:22] <winsen> awal1: do you know how to downgrade from Jessie V to Wheezy?
• 811[05:17:43] <ryouma> magistral?
• 812[05:18:11] <awal1> winsen, downgrades are not supported in debian as I know
• 813[05:18:47] <winsen> awal1: no worries, I'll make research about my first question "course":)
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• 815[05:19:08] <winsen> awal1: really?
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• 818[05:20:28] <awal1> winsen, wheezy is the old stable release. you can try downgrading all your jessie system to wheezy; you may achieve that in 1 year :P :D
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• 820[05:21:23] <winsen> awal1: can you tell me where did you see that information?
• 821[05:21:35] <awal1> which info?
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• 823[05:22:53] <winsen> awal1: i mean about debian wheezy life span?
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• 829[05:25:57] <awal1> easily googlable
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• 833[05:27:41] <awal1> replaced-url
• 834[05:27:47] <winsen> awal1: Ok. I am very tired. I have to go bed. Heve a good nigh. Thanks
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• 842[05:39:33] <hk238> hello
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• 844[05:39:48] <hk238> I've a bit of a problem `/` disk ran out of space
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• 846[05:40:04] <hk238> I copied some stuff on the desktop, but it was located in user/Desktop
• 847[05:40:12] <Anselmo> can you delete things in /var/cache/. . .
• 848[05:40:16] <hk238> I mean sorry user_name/Desktop
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• 850[05:40:21] <Anselmo> where package's are downloaded into?
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• 852[05:40:29] <hk238> I'll check that out thx
• 853[05:40:34] <Anselmo> if /var is in root anyway
• 854[05:41:26] <hk238> so the problem I'm having is that I was trying to put stuff on the /home disk, but ended up running out of space on /
• 855[05:41:34] <Anselmo> oo
• 856[05:41:35] <Anselmo> hunh
• 857[05:42:01] <Anselmo> so was it being copied not into home?
• 858[05:42:02] <hk238> does it create copie son /root or somtehing? is the Desktop location somehow special? :d
• 859[05:42:44] <Anselmo> well, if you were copiying as root it could have put stuff into /root from a ~/
• 860[05:43:01] <Anselmo> like cp /mnt/file.file ~/
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• 863[05:44:07] <hk238> Any idea what `mrs` is? on var/lib/mrs
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• 865[05:44:52] <hk238> I cant open te root folder I think
• 866[05:45:29] <Anselmo> is it your machine?
• 867[05:45:57] <hk238> yeah but I couldnt sign onto debian anymore due to some error, which I think is due to there being no free space
• 868[05:46:15] <hk238> so I signed onto Mint, which is second distro on the same computer
• 869[05:46:21] <hk238> so I can look at the files, except for root folder
• 870[05:46:37] <Anselmo> well, do you have sudo on mint?
• 871[05:46:41] <hk238> I'm not sure about this Desktop issue
• 872[05:46:44] <hk238> yeah I do
• 873[05:46:51] <Anselmo> just do sudo -i and get a root terminal
• 874[05:46:53] <hk238> I mean it might not be like I thought it was
• 875[05:47:00] <Anselmo> ooh ok
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• 877[05:47:16] <hk238> well let's see
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• 879[05:49:00] <hk238> hmm maybe I just didnt allocate enough space for `/` , does 48 GB sound too little? I was coincidentially copying about 40GB of files onto the desktop when this problem occurred
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• 882[05:49:12] <hk238> so it seemed natural to assume that was the case
• 883[05:49:44] <Anselmo> I have a lot more space
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• 885[05:50:00] <hk238> :D
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• 889[05:50:23] <hk238> I have a 500GB disk, I allocated 48GB for debian / and 200GB for debian /home
• 890[05:50:47] <hk238> it seems that /usr and /var take up 44 GB
• 891[05:50:54] <Anselmo> haha
• 892[05:51:02] <Anselmo> can you reinstall without much disruption?
• 893[05:51:05] <hk238> but in var it's not cache, just /lib which is 16GB
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• 895[05:51:20] <hk238> I guess I could
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• 897[05:51:50] <hk238> on this mint I have even less space though :D
• 898[05:52:01] <hk238> it's 32 GB on / and 65 on /home I think
• 899[05:52:22] <hk238> so it was a bit of a surprise, is it normal though that this kind of thing happens? :o
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• 901[05:53:02] <Anselmo> well, I am not used to installing mint and similar
• 902[05:53:18] <Anselmo> dual booting makes stuff tight though, in my experience
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• 904[05:54:29] <hk238> so there's this thing called `mrs` that takes 16GB , usr/share is 15 GB
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• 906[05:55:13] <Anselmo> well, I don't have that,
• 907[05:55:19] <Anselmo> but I am not on debain at the moment
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• 909[05:55:36] <Anselmo> can you look for what put it there?
• 910[05:55:37] <Anselmo> or like
• 911[05:55:39] <Anselmo> man mrs
• 912[05:55:41] <Anselmo> ?
• 913[05:55:43] <hk238> yeah I tried googling, at first look it seems like it's related to amd64
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• 916[05:56:05] <hk238> replaced-url
• 917[05:56:10] <hk238> or alternatively it's just the package version
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• 921[05:56:21] <hk238> oh now I know
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• 923[05:56:53] <hk238> when I was installing debian i ticked some boxes like `science` and didnt really pay too much attention
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• 925[05:57:15] <Anselmo> well, that can make things install that you don't want pretty fast. . .
• 926[05:57:16] <hk238> so apparently this stuff is pretty bulky, and this 16 GB has something to do with proteins?
• 927[05:57:25] <Anselmo> XD
• 928[05:57:32] <Anselmo> do you need proteins?
• 929[05:57:40] <hk238> D :
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• 931[05:57:55] <hk238> I dont know I'll delete the mrs folder
• 932[05:58:10] <hk238> if it starts then fine, if doesnt, I'll reinstall. Gotta figure out how to remove those packages too
• 933[05:58:13] <Anselmo> #apt-get remove mrs
• 934[05:58:14] <Anselmo> ?
• 935[05:58:43] <hk238> 4GB of documentation
• 936[05:58:49] <hk238> I thuoght you can have an OS in that space
• 937[05:58:50] <hk238> :D
• 938[05:58:55] <Anselmo> hehe
• 939[05:59:04] <Anselmo> well
• 940[05:59:15] <Anselmo> next time, be more careful in your installing
• 941[05:59:54] <Anselmo> :P
• 942[06:00:03] <hk238> I'm not sure if that's the explanation (yet)
• 943[06:00:09] <Anselmo> hunh
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• 945[06:00:26] <hk238> but let's see
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• 947[06:00:33] <Anselmo> o
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• 952[06:03:44] <appas> hey, i'm getting "mpv: error while loading shared libraries: libavfilter-ffmpeg.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". mpv installed from the apt repos; libavfilter-ffmpeg5 is Status: deinstall ok config-files. what to do?
• 953[06:03:46] <hk238> logged on debian now. I don't know how I can continue without that protein folder I didn't know I had
• 954[06:03:47] <hk238> :D
• 955[06:04:18] <hk238> pun intended
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• 963[06:09:52] <Anselmo> ha
• 964[06:09:59] <Anselmo> well,
• 965[06:10:14] <Anselmo> you can unistall and redo it all with repartitioning
• 966[06:10:22] <Anselmo> or try to uninstall things
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• 968[06:10:27] <Anselmo> or so it seems to me
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• 972[06:12:52] <hk238> yeah I think it should be fine, there's a whole bunch of stuff that came with the install, but could just as well be in home, so maybe i'll uninstall them.. If I know how to
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• 974[06:13:26] <Anselmo> hmm
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• 976[06:13:28] <Anselmo> well
• 977[06:13:33] <Anselmo> so long as it works
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• 1007[06:50:58] <awal1> hk238, mrs?
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• 1068[07:15:16] <mtcj> Do Debian package maintainers ever attempt to split security patches out of feature patches for software they package?
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• 1070[07:15:38] <mtcj> For software that releases both features and fixes in the same updates.
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• 1079[07:20:13] <Gryllida> mtcj: are security patches meant to be included in backports, and "everything" meant to be included in an update as long as it fixes important bugs?
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• 1082[07:20:45] <Gryllida> mtcj: if you don't like new features, I would probably suggest to stay on oldoldstable
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• 1113[07:44:30] <mtcj> I don't mind having updates that include features. I was curious if that kind of work was put into separating the two.
• 1114[07:44:39] <mtcj> Not work I'd envy.
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• 1118[07:47:44] <Guest65769> I have an external HDD, which probably lost connect while RW operation...and now i get this error: replaced-url
• 1119[07:47:51] <Guest65769> how do i resolve this error ?
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• 1122[07:49:13] <mtcj> You could run the command on Windows or find an equivalent option that will work under Debian
• 1123[07:49:32] <OerHeks> ntfsfix /dev/sdc1
• 1124[07:49:41] <Guest65769> hmm
• 1125[07:50:02] <OerHeks> ntfsfix is part of the ntfs-3g package iirc
• 1126[07:50:02] <Guest65769> thanks OerHeks
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• 1128[07:50:09] <mtcj> I had an NTFS volume that wouldn't let me write to it until I used ntfsfix
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• 1130[07:50:34] <mtcj> I don't know if it negatively affects Windows usage
• 1131[07:51:13] <Guest65769> mtcj: i don't have windows..so that's a non-issue ¯\__(ツ)__/¯
• 1132[07:51:23] <mtcj> OK it was the same for me
• 1133[07:51:35] <Guest65769> :D
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• 1159[08:07:28] <mtcj> I found myself unable to log into my Windows machine so I switched it to Debian
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• 1161[08:07:43] <mtcj> After using a Live CD and being happy with it
• 1162[08:08:38] <mtcj> I only have one issue with it, my controller won't go to sleep while paired with it (draining battery) and while it's not sleeping my monitor won't power down automatically.
• 1163[08:09:20] <mtcj> And an adapter I have that will allow it to sleep causes erratic behavior in my media center prgram, Kodi.
• 1164[08:09:31] <jvava> i have install libvirt0 (version: 1.2.9-9+deb8u3), now i have to install libvirt-dev which request libvirt (but versison is 1.2.9-9+deb8u2), how to do, i dare not uninstall all libvert and etc
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• 1166[08:10:05] <mtcj> Does installing libvert by name work?
• 1167[08:10:26] <mtcj> With the correct spelling that we both messed up lol
• 1168[08:10:30] <jvava> mtcj, what means
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• 1171[08:10:44] <mtcj> apt-get install libvirt
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• 1173[08:10:52] <mtcj> And see if that's a valid package
• 1174[08:11:57] <mtcj> It's not. Strange
• 1175[08:12:06] <jvava> mtcj, i just now try apt-get install libvirt, console report no package found
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• 1177[08:12:48] <mtcj> It appears to me that libvirt requires libvirt0
• 1178[08:13:05] <mtcj> So it should be fine to just install libvirt-dev
• 1179[08:13:29] <jvava> yes, apt-get install libvirt0, display installed already.
• 1180[08:13:33] <tacocat> the actual package should be named libvirt0 - there's nothing called "libvirt" as far as i can tell
• 1181[08:13:40] <mtcj> My first message should have said libvirt-dev requires libvirt0
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• 1183[08:14:16] <jvava> but install libvirt-dev fail, it demand a older libvirt0 than one installed
• 1184[08:14:17] <tacocat> if you install libvirt-dev, it'll automatically install libvirt0 as a dependency
• 1185[08:14:38] <mtcj> Oh OK it's asking for an older version
• 1186[08:14:52] <tacocat> looks like some version mismatch. can you try 'apt-get update' first
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• 1188[08:15:26] <jvava> i did, but i banning some source because gfw
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• 1191[08:16:09] <tacocat> ?
• 1192[08:16:25] <mtcj> I don't have a version issue
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• 1194[08:16:39] <mtcj> Though the versions I have are also u3 and u2
• 1195[08:16:55] <tacocat> one is from security
• 1196[08:16:56] <mtcj> It still allows the install in simulation mode.
• 1197[08:17:32] <jvava> tacocat, i remove the security source
• 1198[08:17:43] <tacocat> why?
• 1199[08:17:51] <jvava> because seems i cant access it now
• 1200[08:17:55] <tacocat> o_O
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• 1202[08:18:07] <tacocat> if you do that, you're preventing yourself from getting timely security updates
• 1203[08:18:11] <mtcj> And in reality it also installs
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• 1205[08:18:30] <mtcj> So maybe due to not having security?
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• 1209[08:20:02] <jvava> im try restore security source
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• 1212[08:20:17] <tacocat> if you have libvirt 1.2.9-9+deb8u3 from security installed, but remove that repo, libvirt-dev will be stuck on 1.2.9-9+deb8u2
• 1213[08:20:21] <mtcj> If you remove security from your sources will Debian allow you to install versions from it even though apt-get update doesn't update the local cache for that repo?
• 1214[08:20:52] <tacocat> libvirt-dev 1.2.9-9+deb8u2 will try to pull in libvirt0 1.2.9-9+deb8u2 (requires same version), but apt doesn't allow downgrading automatically
• 1215[08:21:08] <tacocat> your best choice would be to fix your connection to security.
• 1216[08:21:39] <tacocat> temporarily something like 'apt-get install libvirt-dev libvirt0/jessie' might work, to force apt to use 1.2.9-9+deb8u2 for everything livirt
• 1217[08:21:42] <tacocat> libvirt, that is
• 1218[08:22:08] <jvava> yes, i have installed libvirt-dev, after i restore the security source
• 1219[08:22:21] <jvava> than you all
• 1220[08:22:22] <mtcj> And btw scratch my previous comments that u3 and u2 installed. I was incorrect, u3 for both was installe
• 1221[08:22:33] <mtcj> So mystery solved
• 1222[08:22:38] <jvava> thank you all
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• 1226[08:25:14] <Drzacek> Hi. I tried installing debian to CF Card yesterday, but it looks like it doesn't boot from that card. Are there some extra steps needed to make it bootable? I installed grub to that card also
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• 1233[08:26:54] <mtcj> replaced-url
• 1234[08:27:03] <mtcj> Has some info on that
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• 1241[08:28:43] <mtcj> It looks like the general process is to boot to USB and install on the CF using the device
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• 1243[08:29:26] <mtcj> Is that what you did and what failed to boot?
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• 1245[08:29:52] <Drzacek> I just run normal installation and choose my CF card (in card reader over USB) and installed it there
• 1246[08:30:05] <Drzacek> But I don't use any alix-thingy, just normal x86 pc
• 1247[08:30:43] <mtcj> OK I don't think what I mentioned helps then, I had thought maybe you copied files to the card and that didn't work
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• 1249[08:31:38] <Drzacek> Maybe the partition is wrong? It is single ext4 partition, but I tried earlier with ext2 for /boot
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• 1252[08:32:16] <mtcj> Did the separate ext2 /boot work?
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• 1254[08:32:48] <Drzacek> nope
• 1255[08:32:54] <mtcj> Ok
• 1256[08:33:01] <Drzacek> Now I think, maybe it should be just fat?
• 1257[08:33:34] <mtcj> You can try it. That's not a question I can answer for sure
• 1258[08:34:11] <Drzacek> Too bad it takes so much time to install on flash card. Was over 1hour for each try
• 1259[08:34:18] <mtcj> Yeah
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• 1261[08:34:45] <mtcj> Maybe you can try emulating the installs for testing purposes
• 1262[08:34:51] <mtcj> I think that'd be fast
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• 1265[08:37:23] <no_gravity> Is there a debian version with PHP 7 in the repos?
• 1266[08:37:26] <Drzacek> I would like to just install it, set it up until it works, then create an image and use that image later instead - writing image is a lot faster
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• 1271[08:43:33] <mtcj> no_gravity: Sid and testing do
• 1272[08:44:02] <mtcj> And you can use a third party repo that says it has a package for Jessie
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• 1275[08:44:23] <no_gravity> mtcj: Ok, let me search testing.. What is sid?
• 1276[08:44:43] <no_gravity> Debian 9?
• 1277[08:45:38] <no_gravity> I see it seems to be an alternative name for "unstable".
• 1278[08:46:47] <mtcj> Google php7 on Debian to learn more about the third party repo if you want to know about that option
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• 1283[08:50:30] <no_gravity> mtcj: I was just curious in which Debian version it is.
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• 1288[08:53:04] <no_gravity> It ships with Ubuntu 16.04. I wasn't sure what Debian they based that version on.
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• 1290[08:54:28] <no_gravity> Looks like they based it on unstable.
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• 1296[08:57:28] <no_gravity> This means they can not rely on Debian issuing security patches?
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• 1307[09:03:15] <tacocat> no_gravity: ubuntu typically pulls packages from debian unstable before they freeze and release. they have their own security team too, and xenial's php7 has had some security uploads itself replaced-url
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• 1314[09:07:08] <no_gravity> tacocat: Interesting. So they put quite a lot of work into this. Not just "Ship Debian with non-free drivers and custom graphics".
• 1315[09:08:52] <tacocat> ..i know right?
• 1316[09:08:59] <no_gravity> Looks like they are still not profitable.
• 1317[09:09:30] <no_gravity> Wonder what revenue they make. Last number I see is from 2013 and was $66m.
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• 1320[09:11:30] <tacocat> better than nothing?
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• 1322[09:11:54] <no_gravity> To me the main idea when Ubuntu launched was "Ship Debian with non-free drivers" and seemed pretty much genius. Becuase installing the drivers was the huge pain point that kept people from using Linux.
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• 1329[09:12:31] <no_gravity> And it worked.
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• 1331[09:12:45] <no_gravity> Interesting that they still invest in growth, more then 10 years later.
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• 1333[09:13:10] <no_gravity> tacocat: Well, they spend more then that.
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• 1347[09:21:06] <tvm> i'm doing some assignment and there's "harden the root fs" task. What could i possibly do besides mounting the root read-only ?
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• 1372[09:38:43] <mtcj> One example is to check for file changes.
• 1373[09:39:07] <no_gravity> tvm: Harden against what?
• 1374[09:39:24] <dearfibonacci> hello. i'm developing a qt application which communicates through serial port with a scanner, but the communication sometimes delays about 3min... ideas why?
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• 1381[09:41:40] <tvm> no_gravity: "basic security privileges for root fs" - i wonder what could that mean myself
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• 1383[09:41:58] <no_gravity> tvm: Where does that instruction come from?
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• 1387[09:44:16] <tvm> no_gravity: some weird "exercise" i got in a new job, i will probably just ask them what they mean with that, because I'm not able to pinpoint what should i do
• 1388[09:44:37] <no_gravity> tvm: Break free!
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• 1392[09:46:40] <tvm> i'll ignore it for now, now to set up all this apache/balancer stuff
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• 1401[09:52:22] <Geom`> Hi. quck Q… issue on ubuntu kernel also reflects in debian?
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• 1403[09:53:20] <no_gravity> Geom`: What do you mean?
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• 1416[10:02:17] <trojanski> ola people, as it's hard to find old ISO versions I'm downloading them from randomly found websites and ftps. Now I want to verify them with checksum, is there a way to find a checksum file for each release from official website ? thanks
• 1417[10:02:39] <no_gravity> trojanski: What do you do with them?
• 1418[10:02:51] <trojanski> no_gravity: with ISOs ?
• 1419[10:02:57] <no_gravity> trojanski: yup
• 1420[10:03:10] <trojanski> no_gravity: installing debian )
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• 1422[10:03:51] <trojanski> no_gravity: we have a software that needs to be tested on each version
• 1423[10:04:00] <no_gravity> trojanski: I see.
• 1424[10:05:15] <no_gravity> trojanski: This is not what you want? replaced-url
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• 1427[10:06:07] <trojanski> no_gravity: I don't see what I need here replaced-url
• 1428[10:06:22] <trojanski> missing MD5SUM
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• 1432[10:07:20] <no_gravity> trojanski: No idea. I was just curious if debian.org has an archive of old versions.
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• 1434[10:08:14] <trojanski> it has only jidgo files where I need to spend couple of days just to download and make ISO of all that images
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• 1439[10:09:21] <Geom`> no_gravity sorry for thas late reply. speaker was off…. i was reffering this old threrad as its still happening with ubuntu.. planning top test it on debian replaced-url
• 1440[10:10:34] <no_gravity> Geom`: Sorry, I don't know.
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• 1444[10:11:10] <Geom`> no_gravity no worries… thanks!
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• 1496[10:46:40] <LostSoul> Hi
• 1497[10:46:53] <LostSoul> I entered single mode or rather init=/bin/bash
• 1498[10:47:03] <LostSoul> But now I can't reboot system normally as I get:
• 1499[10:47:18] <LostSoul> failed to talk to init daemon - any tip how to reboot this machine in gentle way?
• 1500[10:48:08] <petn-randall> LostSoul: There's no gentle way. I just run 'sync' and then hard reboot. You don't have any processes running besides bash, anyway.
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• 1509[10:53:30] <LostSoul> true, thanks petn-randall
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• 1519[10:59:26] <petn-randall> LostSoul: if you add 'emergency' or '1' to the kernel parameter line, it should boot into emergency mode that also allows clean rebooting. But that doesn't help if you lost your root password. ;)
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• 1573[11:34:59] <dcpc007> hi, i'm trying config apt-cacher-ng, i found that there is approx (or apt-proxy) for the same purpose. what are the differencies to chosse between them ?
• 1574[11:35:12] <dcpc007> in dscription, they seem very similar all
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• 1576[11:35:30] <dcpc007> simple config, cache, proxy,..
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• 1578[11:37:08] <petn-randall> dcpc007: They are tools to solve the same problem, but differ in the way they are configured, and maybe there are even performance differences. Pick the one you prefer more.
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• 1581[11:37:35] <dcpc007> i don't know both :) just starting install from a tuto
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• 1583[11:37:53] <themill> whether you need to rewrite your sources.list is one of the differences, for instance (you don't for apt-cacher-ng)
• 1584[11:38:12] <dcpc007> i have error sometimes with apticron , i think it's because too many servers try to connect in the same time
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• 1586[11:38:44] <dcpc007> the internet load is not big (update + only apply security patch is not heavy load, even for thenth servers)
• 1587[11:39:17] <dcpc007> ha ok cool, because no real tool for mass config (cloned VM)
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• 1600[11:45:15] <bitchsnitch> What debian version is best for linux newbies?
• 1601[11:45:40] <vlt> Are there versions?
• 1602[11:45:55] <bitchsnitch> I don't know
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• 1604[11:46:14] <petn-randall> bitchsnitch: The latest stable version.
• 1605[11:46:42] <bitchsnitch> Ok thnx
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• 1623[12:02:58] <Eightynine> I have just started system and when I pressed menu button in Gnome menu my system stuck for a few seconds and didn't open menu. I clicked again and Gnome said "Oh no. Something gone wrong". After restarting Gnome dock disappeared. I had Dash to Dock plugin and seems like it turned off.
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• 1629[12:04:30] <Dinosaurio> hey guys, I've a problem, maybe one of you could tell me how to solve it. I want to open this document replaced-url
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• 1637[12:07:41] <themill> Dinosaurio: acroread from deb-multimedia.org can open the file.... It's one of those lovely PDF forms full of javascript and other goodness by the looks of it
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• 1641[12:08:12] <themill> Dinosaurio: you might want to make sure you don't get other crap from deb-multimedia.org installed; /msg dpkg dmm pinning
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• 1654[12:12:56] <Dinosaurio> themill: okay, let's try it then, ty
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• 1662[12:15:43] <petn-randall> bitchsnitch: If you rely on wifi during installation, I recommend using the firmware installer.
• 1663[12:15:46] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
• 1664[12:15:47] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
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• 1674[12:22:41] <CipherZero> -su: curl: command not found <— what’s wrong?
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• 1676[12:23:00] <missmbob> it's not default. sudo apt-get install curl
• 1677[12:23:10] <CipherZero> not default :(
• 1678[12:23:11] <CipherZero> thanks
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• 1684[12:24:54] <Jess1e> hi there, I'd like to try compile the latest kernel, and compile a power module driver called axp288, '/lib/modules/3.19.0-25-generic-lpae/kernel/drivers/iio/adc/axp288_adc.ko' but I can't find this option in menuconfig
• 1685[12:25:08] <toogley> where can i find information about how long will debian jessie be supported by security updates? i can't find it on debian.org
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• 1687[12:26:09] <Jess1e> IIO belongs which part?
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• 1696[12:29:39] <umbaman> guys
• 1697[12:30:07] <umbaman> I have to debian 8 machines ... in between them there is the INTERNET...
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• 1699[12:30:38] <umbaman> how can I connect them securelly(Teamviewer kind of solution)
• 1700[12:30:39] <umbaman> ?
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• 1705[12:32:59] <Jess1e> umbaman: vnc
• 1706[12:33:12] <Jess1e> umbaman: tigervnc or ssh
• 1707[12:33:21] <umbaman> which one is safer?
• 1708[12:33:43] <Jess1e> I don't know, ssh maybe
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• 1710[12:33:46] <umbaman> ok
• 1711[12:33:52] <missmbob> chrome remote
• 1712[12:33:56] <missmbob> so many ways
• 1713[12:34:14] <Jess1e> by the way, ssh can use Xorg :)
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• 1715[12:34:21] <missmbob> Jess1e: ssh is definitely more secure than vnc
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• 1718[12:34:35] <umbaman> i want the safest... because one of the machines exists in a network with sensitive information
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• 1720[12:34:55] <missmbob> umbaman: ssh. and maybe mosh depending.
• 1721[12:34:58] <umbaman> ok
• 1722[12:35:00] <binaryc> need full desktop or just one X application ?
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• 1724[12:35:20] <Jess1e> umbaman: do you need X apps?
• 1725[12:36:05] <umbaman> full files system access, but not nexessarily X
• 1726[12:36:33] <Jess1e> umbaman: then ssh is better I think
• 1727[12:36:35] <missmbob> umbaman: keep sshfs in mind too
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• 1729[12:37:04] <umbaman> ok perfetc
• 1730[12:37:07] <umbaman> perfect
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• 1737[12:38:18] <Jess1e> is there anybody can help about a module called axp288?
• 1738[12:38:34] <umbaman> thank a lot... do you have any guidelines to point me to?? no need for you to google...
• 1739[12:38:38] <Jess1e> it's a power driver stuff
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• 1741[12:38:45] <umbaman> just asking for something to start from
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• 1745[12:40:10] <Jess1e> umbaman: try `systemd start sshd` on the server, and ssh connect it from client
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• 1748[12:40:51] <Jess1e> `ssh username@server-ip -p server-port`
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• 1753[12:42:29] <umbaman> Jess1e: they are on the same network
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• 1756[12:43:09] <Jess1e> umbaman: same ip address?
• 1757[12:43:09] <umbaman> Jess1e: I will google it... thanks a lot for you time
• 1758[12:44:41] <umbaman> oups..!!!
• 1759[12:44:47] <Jess1e> umbaman: if you just want it as a file server, ftp maybe is a good choice
• 1760[12:44:54] <umbaman> I meant that they are not on the same network
• 1761[12:45:41] <Jess1e> just share files you know, ftp is better choice
• 1762[12:45:46] <umbaman> pc1---router1-----Internet-------router2---pc2
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• 1766[12:46:07] <umbaman> no i want complete file system access
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• 1768[12:46:13] <Jess1e> umbaman: are they in one LAN?
• 1769[12:46:27] <umbaman> no they are not Jess1e
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• 1772[12:47:59] <Jess1e> umbaman: did they have unique public ip? I mean they don't share public ip with other computers?
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• 1774[12:48:25] <Jess1e> if they don't, then you have to set NAT on the router I think
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• 1779[12:50:23] <umbaman> Jess1e: I am not sure about that. I am under the impression the router is connected to the internet and the macines behind see the router as their gateway
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• 1782[12:50:57] <umbaman> will two different machines connected to the same router, have different publix IPs?
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• 1786[12:52:37] <angor> umbaman: read about NAT. you'll need to have 2 diff public IPs to do that
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• 1788[12:52:44] <umbaman> ok
• 1789[12:53:02] <Eightynine> I'm using Debian with Gnome 3.14 and Firefox 45 and have lags on YouTube. Why?
• 1790[12:53:07] <angor> and, +1 for the router
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• 1792[12:54:07] <CipherZero> how can i inatall tftp server on debian?
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• 1795[12:54:56] <missmbob> Eightynine: probably because you're running wheezy which is really old. upgrae
• 1796[12:55:08] <missmbob> Eightynine: jessie has 3.31
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• 1799[12:55:38] <Eightynine> I'm using Jessie 8.5
• 1800[12:55:51] <missmbob> Eightynine: not if you claim to have gnome 3.14 you're not
• 1801[12:56:07] <missmbob> ,v task-gnome-desktop
• 1802[12:56:08] <judd> Package: task-gnome-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.14.1; jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; stretch: 3.35; sid: 3.35
• 1803[12:56:14] <missmbob> yep, wheezy
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• 1805[12:56:48] <Eightynine> But 3.31 is beta, right? Fedora has 3.20
• 1806[12:56:54] <missmbob> Eightynine: no
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• 1809[12:57:29] <missmbob> jessie is stable. it has 3.31. period.
• 1810[12:57:46] <Eightynine> lsb_release -a
• 1811[12:57:48] <Eightynine> No LSB modules are available.
• 1812[12:57:50] <Eightynine> Distributor ID: Debian
• 1813[12:57:52] <Eightynine> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.5 (jessie)
• 1814[12:57:54] <Eightynine> Release: 8.5
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• 1816[12:57:56] <Eightynine> Codename: jessie
• 1817[12:57:59] <missmbob> i really dont care what it says
• 1818[12:58:11] <missmbob> a lot of things can alter it. having some jessie packages, etc
• 1819[12:58:20] <themill> missmbob: what are you asserting this on btw?
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• 1821[12:58:37] <Eightynine> I mean I have Jessie but Gnome is old. And I have no updates when I check.
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• 1824[12:59:24] <themill> Eightynine: packages in jessie won't be changing -- gnome in jessie will always be version 3.14
• 1825[12:59:45] <Eightynine> And how can I install newer version?
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• 1828[13:00:27] <themill> You could decide to run stretch if that's what you really want.
• 1829[13:00:38] <MeanEYE> Hey folks. Anyone knows how I can insert RLM unicode character without pressing Alt+0xxxx?
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• 1896[13:30:33] <hexadecimal> hello
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• 1898[13:30:49] <RoyK> ho
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• 1902[13:31:56] <hicks_> themill: 3.14? aptitude shows it as 3.31 here (i'm on jessie)
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• 1921[13:40:44] <umbaman> thanks a lot angor
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• 1932[13:48:28] <paludo> Hey guys, I'm having problems to remove fglrx on jessie, here's the error I get replaced-url
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• 1934[13:48:46] <stuv> hi all, i've a trouble here: i've an onboard sound card and one from my geforce card, how can i set which soundcard is used ?
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• 1937[13:49:35] <stuv> i buyed a renkforce 5.1 sourcecard to overcome this problem but it doesn't show up with alsomixer
• 1938[13:49:48] <themill> hicks_: you need to look at the right package
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• 1940[13:49:52] <stuv> can someone please help he getting my 5.1 sound card working please
• 1941[13:49:57] <umbaman> paludo: I suggest you use aptitude
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• 1943[13:50:27] <paludo> umbaman: I tried that too, same error.. it seems something is broken on dpkg
• 1944[13:50:58] <hicks_> themill: I thought he was saying task-gnome-desktop for him was showing 3.14 yet he's on jessie, which should be 3.31? or I have i got the wrong end of the stick?
• 1945[13:51:50] <paludo> umbaman: replaced-url
• 1946[13:52:19] <themill> hicks_: the version of gnome was the question
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• 1948[13:52:33] <hicks_> ah
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• 1950[13:53:10] <umbaman> paludo: replaced-url
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• 1956[13:54:38] <umbaman> paludo: replaced-url
• 1957[13:55:43] <umbaman> nothing more I can do
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• 1959[13:56:38] <paludo> umbaman: yep, the problem is that isn't installed I guess... dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove flgrx-driver which isn't installed
• 1960[13:56:53] <umbaman> ok
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• 1963[13:57:39] <paludo> umbaman: I tried to solve here, seems there's a solution on the first link you send me
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• 1965[13:58:07] <paludo> umbaman: Well, I mean I'll try to solve
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• 2019[14:21:27] <notmyselftoday> I don't know if this will get me banned, but at least it's for a good cause, or what I believe is a good cause. Long story short, I'm asking for money. The people at riseup.net are running out of money next month, they give free email, vpn and more to activists. If you value what they do, just a dollar or two is enough. That's it, I won't repeat this message not to flood.
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• 2073[14:45:20] <stuv> i all, i have troubles to setup which soundcard i want to use to have 5.1 sound cards, i've buyed a rekforce card but it doesn't seems to work :(
• 2074[14:45:44] <stuv> is this a configuraiton problem or do i need a new soundcard
• 2075[14:45:58] <stuv> i want to disable all soundcard beside of the new one
• 2076[14:46:17] <stuv> i allready played around to get the sound working for now a few weeks
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• 2079[14:46:28] <stuv> i really need help
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• 2085[14:48:23] <umbaman> I'll try to help but I am no expert
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• 2087[14:48:53] <umbaman> stuv: have you tried googling <your sound card> + linux ?
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• 2099[14:54:18] <goldkatze> Hi :-)
• 2100[14:54:39] <goldkatze> Where to find the .deb file corresponding to replaced-url
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• 2103[14:55:29] <petn-randall> ,v gajim-omemo
• 2104[14:55:30] <judd> No package named 'gajim-omemo' was found in amd64.
• 2105[14:55:33] <missmbob> replaced-url
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• 2107[14:56:40] <goldkatze> missmbob: Thanks :-)
• 2108[14:56:49] <goldkatze> Though, that's not quite it :-)
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• 2113[14:58:06] <missmbob> goldkatze: you really want the old one? replaced-url
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• 2116[14:58:15] <goldkatze> petn-randall: What does that infopage I linked to correspond to, anyway? That a package has been made, uploaded, and is now waiting to be moved to sid?
• 2117[14:58:24] <goldkatze> missmbob: Neither, I want omemo
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• 2121[14:58:56] <goldkatze> missmbob: As in, you misread :)
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• 2127[15:03:21] <petn-randall> goldkatze: That's the NEW queue, where people upload packages that usually end up in sid, yes. It has to successfully build though, and with new packages it also needs to be acknowleged by the ftp masters.
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• 2129[15:05:22] <RoyK> hm... I've enabled google authenticator on this test VM and it works well unless I add my ssh key to .ssh/authorized_keys - then it just skips google authenticator - anyone that has an idea?
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• 2131[15:05:44] <goldkatze> petn-randall: If it builds successfully, where will it end up next, before ftp master approval? I want to grab it from within the process, so I can check it myself and install manually, to speed things up for myself
• 2132[15:06:08] <jelly> RoyK: isn't that how key-based auth is supposed to work?
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• 2134[15:06:38] <jelly> if (key present and valid) {skip pam and other methods}
• 2135[15:06:41] <missmbob> RoyK: i have the same setup. that's how it works
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• 2137[15:07:29] <RoyK> jelly: perhaps, but what I want, is two-factor, either password og key *and* google autenticator
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• 2141[15:08:19] <RoyK> I followed the guide on replaced-url
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• 2147[15:10:26] <jelly> ask the openssh people whether what you want is possible at all without patches
• 2148[15:10:42] <jelly> openssh-portable people, even
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• 2200[15:25:03] <RoyK> jelly: will do - thanks
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• 2275[15:28:27] <jelly> RoyK: if you solve it maybe mention in here as well, I'm somewhat interested
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• 2278[15:32:04] <RoyK> jelly: working on it - so far I've gotten to somewhere where it requires key+password+google
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• 2285[15:32:50] <missmbob> RoyK: how'd you manage that?
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• 2288[15:33:17] <missmbob> RoyK: so it doesnt work with password+google? it requires password as well, correct?
• 2289[15:33:29] <missmbob> key* as well
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• 2296[15:35:05] <RoyK> missmbob: seems somehow I need to choose between password+google or key+google
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• 2298[15:35:10] <RoyK> or the three of those
• 2299[15:35:19] <RoyK> three-factor is rather safe :P
• 2300[15:35:42] <missmbob> i'm just curious as to how you got key+google
• 2301[15:36:02] <RoyK> AuthenticationMethods publickey,keyboard-interactive
• 2302[15:36:09] <RoyK> then disable password auth
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• 2304[15:36:17] <RoyK> in pam
• 2305[15:36:24] <RoyK> or so they say - haven't tested yet
• 2306[15:36:59] <missmbob> oh. like jelly said let us know once you've tested.
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• 2315[15:41:55] <Drzacek> I want to install debian to usb storage. Do I have to do something special to make it bootable?
• 2316[15:42:18] <RoyK> just dd the image to the usb thing
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• 2319[15:42:42] <Drzacek> RoyK, That's how I get my bootable install medium
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• 2322[15:43:03] <Drzacek> Which I used to install the system to other USB storage, but unfortunately - that won't boot
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• 2334[15:47:11] <RoyK> Drzacek: are you sure you installed grub on the right disk_
• 2335[15:47:12] <RoyK> ?
• 2336[15:47:13] <SynrGy> Drzacek: did you install a boot loader on the target USB?
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• 2338[15:48:02] <SynrGy> i.e. don't assume the installer will default that for you
• 2339[15:48:50] <OtakuSenpai> Drzacek, tried booting to it from boot menu?
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• 2345[15:49:49] <Drzacek> I installed grub to my usb drive
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• 2348[15:50:29] <Drzacek> Installer asked to install grub to MBR, I refused and told him to install to usb drive
• 2349[15:50:50] <RoyK> missmbob: I found no way to allow for (password|key)+google auth, but key+google works now
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• 2361[15:54:08] <hk238> So how can I uninstall stuff that I got with tasksel or during installation?
• 2362[15:54:16] <missmbob> apt-get remove foo
• 2363[15:54:18] <hk238> I got a bunch of science files which take up a lot of space
• 2364[15:54:29] <hk238> I dont know what names are though :o
• 2365[15:54:50] <missmbob> dpkg -l |grep ^i will tell you
• 2366[15:54:50] <dpkg> ii |grep ^i will tell you 2.7-2.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
• 2367[15:54:53] <jelly> hk238: first look at dpkg -l task-\* | grep ^.i
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• 2369[15:55:13] <jelly> hk238: then aptitude purge task-you-dont-need
• 2370[15:55:25] <hk238> hmm alright I'll try that :d
• 2371[15:55:28] <missmbob> yeah but task wont remove stuff task brought in
• 2372[15:55:35] <jelly> what does :d mean, in this context?
• 2373[15:55:46] <jelly> missmbob: yes it will.
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• 2375[15:56:04] <hk238> A smiley face I have a habit of adding, in this case it's particularly meaningless
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• 2378[15:57:08] <hk238> So I guess Im not sure how Im supposed to do this
• 2379[15:57:09] <hk238> :D
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• 2381[15:57:56] <jelly> you could pastebin the output that shows installed task- packages if unsure?
• 2382[15:58:08] <hk238> there's no output
• 2383[15:58:15] <hk238> it says `usage grep...`
• 2384[15:58:16] <jelly> ha!
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• 2386[15:58:43] <jelly> perhaps your shell is picky. dpkg -l task-\* | grep '^.i'
• 2387[15:59:02] <hk238> oh I didnt include the last argument
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• 2390[15:59:27] <hk238> so it says here, gnome, kde, xfce, general english environment, debian desktop
• 2391[15:59:32] <hk238> but it doesnt contain the science thing
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• 2393[15:59:47] <jelly> you may have already removed it
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• 2395[16:00:09] <hk238> I deleted one part of it
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• 2397[16:00:19] <hk238> it was a protein database or something that took 16GB
• 2398[16:00:25] <hk238> I only allocated 48 GB space for /
• 2399[16:00:30] <hk238> turns out I ran out of space
• 2400[16:00:40] <jelly> hk238: pastebin the output of "apt-get autoremove"
• 2401[16:00:46] <hk238> so I was wondering what's going on, coz I thought the OS doesnt take much space
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• 2403[16:01:22] <hk238> all zeros on autoremove
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• 2405[16:01:42] <hk238> anyway I deleted that manually by removing the folder, it's a dual boot with mint and debian
• 2406[16:01:56] <hk238> coz debian wasnt starting due to 0 bytes freespace
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• 2408[16:02:23] <hk238> so I thought it's gona be something like `teach math symbols for the kids` and `text editor` or `dictionary` or something like that
• 2409[16:02:25] <fas3r> Hello
• 2410[16:02:36] <fas3r> Is it possible to use preseed file with Tiny CD iso ?
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• 2412[16:02:41] <hk238> instead it's a protein folding database or some weird stuff like that
• 2413[16:02:42] <hk238> :D
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• 2415[16:03:08] <hk238> hmm
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• 2425[16:07:01] <hk238> hmm I dont know maybe it was standalone installation of some sort, and deleting the folder neatly got everything
• 2426[16:07:12] <hk238> it was called mrs/uniprot something like that, Im not sure what it was
• 2427[16:07:40] <hk238> there's still stuff like latex documentation or somtehing like that, which seems like a total waste.. Im not sure, everything is workign though, and it's not a priority
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• 2430[16:08:19] <themill> hk238: the output of "aptitude search ~ntexlive~i" might help
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• 2436[16:10:00] <hk238> ahhh I just downloaded a tweak tool `mate tweak` and upon selecting a `layout`it already replaced the one I just made. dang.
• 2437[16:10:00] <hk238> :D
• 2438[16:10:54] <hk238> there's no command called aptitude apparantely
• 2439[16:11:09] <jelly> install it
• 2440[16:11:12] <missmbob> apt-get install it
• 2441[16:11:20] <hk238> why? :o
• 2442[16:11:30] <jelly> good command, very search
• 2443[16:11:39] <hk238> oh aptitude?
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• 2445[16:12:03] <hk238> :D
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• 2447[16:13:32] <hk238> well that was that with tweak then
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• 2449[16:14:05] <hk238> oh well just gotta set it up again :d
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• 2468[16:21:42] <hk238> anyone got any tips for configuring mate desktop environment?
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• 2470[16:22:08] <hk238> one thing I'm trying to do is make mac os style panel on lowerside of the screen, that shows only open windows with a square icon and no label
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• 2472[16:22:27] <hk238> and also a bunch of other things but it's gonna take a while
• 2473[16:23:17] <missmbob> hk238: dont know how many here use mater...but there is #mate
• 2474[16:23:35] <hk238> oh yeah I'm on mate too :d
• 2475[16:23:53] <missmbob> !crosspost
• 2476[16:23:53] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
• 2477[16:23:54] <missmbob> :P
• 2478[16:23:55] <climjark> hello all!
• 2479[16:23:55] <hk238> last time I asked (that same question from mate channel) I got this advice of installing docky, which is what I'm trying to do now
• 2480[16:24:26] <hk238> well I wasn't technically cross-posting now
• 2481[16:24:31] <hk238> last time I asked it was yesterday
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• 2483[16:24:42] <hk238> on mate that is
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• 2485[16:25:29] <hk238> it's probably reasonable to assume that if someone is like copypasting messages inbetween channels, they're spamming/cross-posting
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• 2490[16:26:27] <hk238> where as whether the choice of channel is appropriate is also debatable, due to that well, a lot of linux users might know abuot some specific details about linux, but then might not be on a channel about those specific features :d
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• 2557[16:50:55] <hk238> btw screensaver locks the computer for good and I have to reboot with the reboot button :d
• 2558[16:51:01] <hk238> any idea what might causing that?
• 2559[16:51:08] <hk238> happened twice so far
• 2560[16:51:24] <missmbob> testing?
• 2561[16:51:29] <johnkeates> what screensaver do you use
• 2562[16:51:37] <hk238> oh yeah right I have that stretch version
• 2563[16:51:40] <johnkeates> and did you try a different vt
• 2564[16:51:41] <johnkeates> and ssh
• 2565[16:51:43] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 2566[16:51:43] <johnkeates> and sysrd
• 2567[16:51:44] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2568[16:51:45] <hk238> I got it by accident though.. :D
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• 2570[16:52:31] <jelly> hk238: if your session is starting xscreensaver manually, you may be having two screensavers competing at the same time
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• 2572[16:52:41] <jelly> because REASONS
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• 2574[16:52:59] <jelly> but it's a streatch issue so...
• 2575[16:53:02] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2576[16:53:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2578[16:53:23] <missmbob> yeah. said that :P
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• 2595[16:59:43] <hk238> darn. Now it seems the last panel on the screen is bugged and I cant make new panels either.. How can I access configuration utilities without knowing what their names are, when they're not visible in the menus? :d
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• 2597[17:00:07] <missmbob> you'd ask the testing channel as you've been told
• 2598[17:00:16] <hk238> it's invite only though
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• 2602[17:00:32] <missmbob> hk238: because you didnt read everything. it's on OFTC, not freenode
• 2603[17:00:35] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 2604[17:00:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2605[17:00:56] <hk238> oh
• 2606[17:01:25] <hk238> well I read the end of that message or something like that, but somehow I thought it meant that you'v eto go to irc.oftc.net, to get invited to the channel here
• 2607[17:01:53] <hk238> anyway I guess I could consider going there
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• 2611[17:02:32] <hk238> meanwhile, anyone have any idea about how to change configuration, with the given conditions?
• 2612[17:02:41] <jmcnaught> hk238: OFTC uses less electrons so it's actually easier than connecting to freenode
• 2613[17:03:05] <missmbob> "i know i'm in the wrong place and i dont care...help me"
• 2614[17:03:11] <hk238> it does mean having to have two windows open though, which on irc is kind of annoying
• 2615[17:03:20] <jelly> get a better client
• 2616[17:03:22] <hk238> I'll just ignore missmbob, seems to have problem of some sort
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• 2618[17:03:29] <hk238> ok done
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• 2621[17:03:55] <han-solo> irssi?
• 2622[17:04:08] <jelly> han-solo: missmbob can be overenthusiastic in application of rules but don't let it get you
• 2623[17:04:13] <jelly> er. hk238.
• 2624[17:04:21] <hk238> I'm using KVirc, it's my favourite client so far
• 2625[17:04:36] <han-solo> :)
• 2626[17:04:47] <han-solo> i just did a page-p :)
• 2627[17:04:49] <jelly> hexchat can have a zillion servers and channels in the same window as tabs
• 2628[17:05:02] <han-solo> s/-p/up :)
• 2629[17:05:06] <hk238> oh yeah I've used hexchat it's okay I guess
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• 2634[17:06:11] <elliot007> as everybody is mentioning their irc clients, i use irssi
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• 2636[17:06:13] <hk238> I'd take a screenshot, but public logging is against freenode rules
• 2637[17:06:24] <hk238> also made the font myself
• 2638[17:06:34] <Flashtek> public logging is against the law in many places....
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• 2640[17:06:53] <Flashtek> for various definitions of the term 'logging'
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• 2645[17:07:27] <jmcnaught> hk238: this channel is logged, see the /topic
• 2646[17:07:52] <hk238> oh
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• 2651[17:10:09] <hk238> well I suppose in that case it's ok to take the screenshot.. Although it's necessary to adjust for that I changed the colors on the display device by reducing brightness, blue, and green considerably.. so while the colors on regular display look very saturated, they're actually not too saturated like that..
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• 2654[17:11:07] <hk238> replaced-url
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• 2660[17:13:07] <hk238> that gray bar is the bugged panel btw
• 2661[17:13:19] <jmcnaught> hk238: are you having a problem with your IRC client? i thought that you had a screen locking problem. If it's a stretch issue, folks on #debian-next are more likely to know. You can also check the last few lines of the previous boot with "journalctl --boot=-1 --lines=50" to look for clues (or look in syslog like it's the 20th century still ;)
• 2662[17:13:21] <b3d0u1n> I keep getting this error. How do I fix it? W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: replaced-url
• 2663[17:13:46] <hk238> no I dont have a problem with my irc client
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• 2669[17:16:23] <jmcnaught> b3d0u1n: i don't use wheezy for a long time now, but maybe there's a newer version of debian-archive-keyring you're supposed to be using. You could also try using a different mirror
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• 2672[17:16:59] <b3d0u1n> It's weird, I have one VM where it's not spitting back and error and one where it is. Both have the same sources.
• 2673[17:17:14] <themill> b3d0u1n: BADSIG would suggest you've got a mirror that's not happy or a cache that is feeding you stale material
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• 2675[17:17:22] <hk238> also the screen locking problem resulted to some problems when I had to reboot, and I'm not sure what is it exactly, but the mate panels are not working. So I dont have panels, so I dont hav ethe GUI shortcuts, and I dont know how to do stuff without the shortcuts.. First I suppose I need to figure out where the terminal file is located, so I can start that.. to start the other programs that have
• 2676[17:17:39] <themill> b3d0u1n: http.d.n is a redirector and it is feasible the two machines are being sent to different mirrors
• 2677[17:17:48] <hk238> a name I am not aware of.. these are also rather generic linux problems and not necessarily related to even a specific distro
• 2678[17:18:09] <b3d0u1n> themill: Interesting. That might explain why it worked about an hour ago on the "broken" one.
• 2679[17:18:17] <Lornzer> heyo, i installed a webrtc server (called janus) & its libraries and its crashing unreliably. i'm pretty sure it is related to the library installation, but im not certain. the app error log outputs the following:nd its crashing unreliably. i'm pretty sure it is related to the library installation, but im not certain. the app error log outputs the following:
• 2680[17:18:25] <Lornzer> janus: symbol lookup error: janus: undefined symbol: g_type_check_instance_is_fundamentally_a
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• 2686[17:19:52] <jelly> Lornzer: were these binaries built for debian release you're using, or some other OS and release?
• 2687[17:19:56] <Lornzer> can installing a bunch of libraries to /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib64 cause that?
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• 2689[17:20:26] <jelly> Lornzer: you should never install third party library files under either of those two paths
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• 2691[17:20:36] <jelly> Lornzer: which debian release are you using?
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• 2693[17:20:53] <b3d0u1n> Unrelated . . . but can you guys recommend a good tutorial or primer on systemd? I'm sort of holding onto Wheezy and Squeeze because I don't really get how it works . . .
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• 2698[17:21:29] <missmbob> b3d0u1n: this is pretty good. replaced-url
• 2699[17:21:33] <jelly> b3d0u1n: you can upgrade to jessie without switching to systemd if you really want to
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• 2703[17:21:56] <b3d0u1n> jelly: I tried that one distro . . . I forgot its name, the one that is Jessie without systemd.
• 2704[17:22:03] <b3d0u1n> It wasn't bad.
• 2705[17:22:18] <jelly> b3d0u1n: devuan. You don't need to go there, but that's an option as well
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• 2707[17:22:22] <Lornzer> jelly: its actually ubuntu (guess i should look in the proper channel 1st) - not using either of the 2 locations for 3rd party libraries holds true for that too though i guess? :D
• 2708[17:22:27] <b3d0u1n> missmbob: thanks
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• 2710[17:22:43] <jim> Lornzer, are there debian packages containing the libs you want? (if so, consider those)
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• 2712[17:22:57] <jelly> Lornzer: very likely for anything newer than 14.* of ubuntus
• 2713[17:23:10] <jelly> Lornzer: ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
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• 2716[17:23:34] <Lornzer> thx
• 2717[17:23:59] <b3d0u1n> shrug. installed debian-keyring and now it's not spitting back errors.
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• 2719[17:24:11] <Lornzer> i configure && make install'ed both libraries from source myself
• 2720[17:24:34] <jelly> okay, but this is still not #ubuntu nor #ubuntu-server
• 2721[17:24:40] <b3d0u1n> thanks for the input
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• 2725[17:25:18] <Lornzer> i switched already ;) thx for ur patience
• 2726[17:25:20] <jim> Lornzer, same thing, but you should get them from their archives... and note, the ubuntu folks are making very deep changes to what they get from debian, and we can't keep track of em and still have time to date...
• 2727[17:26:08] <nickpalla> hello,my PS/2 mouse stop working.reason seems i upgrade source.list to deb sid.mouse works no problem until i watch a flash video by using Chrome,need help
• 2728[17:27:10] <jim> Lornzer, also consider the collasal (sp?) job of learning to make your own packages (so that you can remove what you package and install)
• 2729[17:27:52] <nickpalla> I'm using debian stretch and keeping system upgraded.because of KDE desktop version,i selected upgrade those package to avoid bugs(taskbar issue)
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• 2734[17:28:40] <zykotick9> nickpalla: not sure you're using stretch if you've added sid to your sources.list.... either way... support in #debian-next of the OFTC network...
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• 2737[17:29:06] <jim> nickpalla, wait, you're running stretch but your sources.list say sid? (that could be a bad thing)
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• 2742[17:29:57] <nickpalla> no, i've just add sid to my source,because KDE packages in stretch seems broken(framework 5.7.4 desktop 5.6.5)
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• 2745[17:30:38] <jim> nickpalla, not likely to fix em, and very likely to break your whole installation
• 2746[17:30:53] <Time-Warp> anyone ever seen [drm:intel_set_cpu_fifo_underrun_reporting [i915]] *ERROR*
• 2747[17:30:54] <jelly> jim: if their sources say sid, they're running sid!
• 2748[17:31:19] <nickpalla> it seems it works without any problem only when I open Chrome and watch a flash video..looks like i did something very stupid
• 2749[17:31:55] <jelly> nickpalla: ask in the right channel, not many people with knowledge of sid or testing in here
• 2750[17:32:04] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2751[17:32:04] <jim> jelly, there's probably a percentage to which that's true... if he installed a lot of pkgs, you're probably right
• 2752[17:32:04] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2754[17:32:28] <jelly> jim: the percentage is 100%, that's pretty much the definition of running sid
• 2755[17:32:28] <nickpalla> ok,thank you all very much
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• 2759[17:33:28] <jelly> jim: when it breaks, they get to keep all the pieces.
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• 2761[17:33:38] <jim> if the percentage is lower, then he's got a franken
• 2762[17:33:38] <jelly> (see how I didn't say "if")
• 2763[17:33:39] <Lornzer> jim: yeah, that sounds like a very handy skill to have! (spelling is colossal btw)
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• 2765[17:33:47] <jelly> jim: nope
• 2766[17:34:02] <jelly> it's sid, just not upgraded yet :)
• 2767[17:34:33] <jelly> with possible exception of a testing/unstable mix (/msg dpkg tum)
• 2768[17:34:33] <jim> there is that
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• 2770[17:35:02] <jim> that's what I think he has
• 2771[17:35:16] <jelly> but there's nothing franken at that point, it's a valid scenarion and people who use that expect it to be broken on occasion
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• 2774[17:36:46] <jim> Lornzer, there's something called the debian packaging manual (which is part of the new maintainers guide
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• 2783[17:40:38] <Lornzer> cheers, bookmarked for a rainy day :)
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• 3090[17:54:23] <_Vi> Why can't I install both musl-dev:amd64 and musl-dev:armel (and in general -dev packages)? How do I cross-compile from amd64 to musl-armel?
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• 3099[17:56:53] <_Vi> It also fails without -dev: "trying to overwrite shared '/usr/bin/musl-ldd'".
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• 3134[18:02:28] <Lornzer> thx for the help again :) have a good one
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• 3192[18:20:34] <aaqw> My debian installation cannot see my speakers
• 3193[18:20:41] <aaqw> So no sound will work
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• 3220[18:30:45] <bullgard4> Where precisely do you expect your Debian your speakers?
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• 3222[18:30:58] <bullgard4> to see
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• 3225[18:31:32] <aaqw> bullgard4: To see and use them. GNOME lists no output devices.
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• 3227[18:32:03] <mtn> aaqw: Use pavucontrol. Check sound levels and devices in Output and Configuration tabs.
• 3228[18:32:03] <aaqw> or input devices for that matter
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• 3232[18:32:52] <aaqw> mtn: I don't have that installed
• 3233[18:33:07] <jelly> aaqw: install it, then. Also, pastebin the output of "aplay -l"
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• 3235[18:33:11] <mtn> aaqw: hmm. install it? kinda obvious
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• 3239[18:34:14] <aaqw> mtn: I was pretty sure that was the case, bust since sound is a really deep seeded thing I wasn't sure if pavucontrol was only for specific scenarios
• 3240[18:34:33] <mtn> aaqw: it is the main sound control app
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• 3242[18:35:04] <aaqw> mtn: then why isn't installed by default? Unless my installation is weird.
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• 3244[18:36:31] <jelly> aaqw: the lack of pavucontrol installation when pulseaudio and a DE get installed is probably a bug, too
• 3245[18:36:59] <mtn> or a lack of foresight
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• 3249[18:37:31] <amoe> I thought GNOME had its own volume control applet
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• 3251[18:37:53] <jelly> gnome has a lot of its own things
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• 3253[18:38:45] <jelly> gnome-specific tools do not however necessarily prove the most useful when doing some debugging over irc
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• 3256[18:39:18] <amoe> makes sense
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• 3267[18:41:10] <aaqw> jelly: When I run it it just says waiting...
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• 3269[18:41:39] <tgunr> How can you tell what speed a NIC is set to? I am only getting around 10 Mbps on a GB LAN
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• 3272[18:42:13] <SwedeMike> tgunr: ethtool
• 3273[18:42:21] <tgunr> Which makes me think the NIC is set on 100Mb
• 3274[18:42:26] <jelly> aaqw: that usually means pulseaudio process/service is not running at all, verify with something like "pgrep pulseaudio" or "ps -fe |grep pulse"
• 3275[18:42:27] <tgunr> thanks looking
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• 3281[18:43:22] <jelly> aaaqw: that usually means pulseaudio process/service is not running at all, verify with something like "pgrep pulseaudio" or "ps -fe |grep pulse"
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• 3294[18:47:18] <BinBasher> can anyone get the gnome alarm clock feature working in 3.14 @ jessie?
• 3295[18:47:35] <aaaqw> jelly: got it up now. OK. I see. It apparently does not work when logged in as root
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• 3300[18:49:22] <tgunr> ethtool is showing:
• 3301[18:49:22] <tgunr> Speed: Unknown!
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• 3303[18:50:10] <jelly> aaaqw: right, root is supposed to be used solely for administrative purposes. Lots of common workstation tools fail or behave differently.
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• 3305[18:50:33] <jelly> in short: if you don't absolutely have to be root to run something, don't
• 3306[18:50:42] <aaaqw> Cool.
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• 3313[18:51:47] <jelly> aaaqw: a typical user will never log in as root unless something is deeply broken. Log in and work as normal user, and when needed open a separate shell for root purposes using the "su" or "sudo" commands
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• 3315[18:52:29] <tgunr> I have logged in as root since System III
• 3316[18:52:49] <jelly> why are you not retired yet
• 3317[18:53:02] <tgunr> having too much fun?
• 3318[18:53:26] <tgunr> and if you know about System III, why are you not retired? :)
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• 3321[18:53:57] <tgunr> But I agree, for most part, don't log in as root
• 3322[18:53:58] <jelly> because EU wants me to work until I'm 90 or so
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• 3324[18:54:07] <aaaqw> Well I am actually running Kali, based on Debian, which only sets up the root user at setup and uses it for the live boot. I think it worked in older versions.
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• 3326[18:54:26] * mtn feels sorry for jelly
• 3327[18:54:29] <jelly> aaaqw: oh, then you're in the wrong channel
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• 3331[18:54:31] <jelly> !kali
• 3332[18:54:31] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 3335[18:54:56] <jelly> aaaqw: ask there for any further issues you get in Kali
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• 3337[18:55:14] <tgunr> ok, thanks Jelly, mii-tool show 1000base full duplex
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• 3340[18:55:35] <aaaqw> yeah. that channel is normally dead though. :P
• 3341[18:55:36] <jelly> tgunr: sorry, I didn't help you in any way
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• 3344[18:55:44] <tgunr> but it also displays: SIOCGMIIREG on eth0 failed: Input/output error
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• 3350[18:56:15] <tgunr> ah, that was SwedeMike
• 3351[18:56:24] <jelly> aaaqw: if you want to ask here, you're expected to reproduce the issues you're having on an actual debian installation
• 3352[18:56:39] <aaaqw> @jelly: fair
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• 3354[18:56:56] <jelly> (hint: many issues only happen BECAUSE a derivative changed something)
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• 3356[18:57:28] <jelly> (like "log in as root by default")
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• 3363[19:01:18] <dionysus69> can anyone recommend me a gui data modeling software for debian?
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• 3384[19:05:35] <SwedeMike> tgunr: mii-tool is deprecated. replaced-url
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• 3389[19:05:56] <tgunr> Not sure what your looking for, what kind of data?
• 3390[19:06:02] <tgunr> ok, thanks SwedeMike
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• 3393[19:07:26] <tgunr> dionysus69 For relational data you might look at replaced-url
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• 3395[19:07:57] <dionysus69> theres no free alternative :\ ?
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• 3397[19:08:37] <jelly> free as in open source, or free as in no cost?
• 3398[19:08:43] <dionysus69> its ridiculous how its hard to find a fotware thats free on this category since demand should be very high
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• 3400[19:08:50] <dionysus69> both perhaps
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• 3402[19:09:04] <jelly> write one, gain mone^H^H^H^Hfame
• 3403[19:09:17] <dionysus69> lol
• 3404[19:09:18] <jelly> see if you can live from fame
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• 3406[19:09:32] <jelly> s/live from/survive on/
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• 3408[19:09:40] * tgunr agrees
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• 3410[19:09:53] <dionysus69> dude, there's free software all over the place
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• 3412[19:10:21] <dionysus69> like atm I am writing you from free operating system and free irc client
• 3413[19:10:31] <jelly> yes, people invested their time to write that stuff
• 3414[19:10:38] <tgunr> if your needing this for production, the cost is minimal and the product is not too bad, if for personal, well you should be learning the CLI first anyway
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• 3416[19:10:43] <dionysus69> it just happens that open source often happens to be free of charge too not my fault
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• 3423[19:11:32] <tgunr> IMHO
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• 3425[19:11:50] <dionysus69> well I could be just using pen and paper for diagram design, I just thought there would be a prettier software alternative
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• 3427[19:12:27] <jelly> CRAN has thousands of modules by now, perhaps there's something for you
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• 3429[19:12:47] <jelly> dionysus69: stupid question: did you try to apt-cache search data modeling
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• 3431[19:13:10] <dionysus69> nope, I am not that terminal friendly but I will since you reminded ^.^
• 3432[19:13:11] <_mirko_> hi, I have burned latest debian disc with k3b and then another with 'growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/sr0=/home/user/file.iso'. They're both unusable, can't boot from those. Any idea why?
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• 3435[19:13:35] <tgunr> There si always SQL Workbench I suppose
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• 3438[19:14:16] <tgunr> i recall the days before open source......
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• 3442[19:16:23] <_mirko_> can I install debian without cd or usb, from working linux system?
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• 3448[19:17:55] <tgunr> I use PXE
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• 3452[19:18:47] <_mirko_> tgunr: do you know exact name of package?
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• 3454[19:18:58] <jelly> _mirko_: it's a bit tricky but yes. replaced-url
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• 3457[19:20:01] <tgunr> not really a package, you set up a tftpd server, create the config file and iso you want to boot, set up your client to netboot
• 3458[19:20:05] <_mirko_> jelly: is it possible with gui installer?
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• 3460[19:20:23] <jelly> _mirko_: don't think so
• 3461[19:20:56] <jelly> _mirko_: which installer iso image did you download and burn? That growisofs command looks correct.
• 3462[19:21:24] <DeaDSouL> what do you usually use for firewall? iptables? ufw? firewallid ?
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• 3464[19:21:45] <jelly> !polls
• 3465[19:21:45] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
• 3466[19:21:52] <_mirko_> jelly: DVD-1 from replaced-url
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• 3468[19:22:23] <tgunr> thanks jelly, did not know about debootstrap, I was using another server for PXE but am getting ready to create a debian PXE server
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• 3470[19:23:03] <jelly> I figure if a user can set up tftp and pxe and netboot they probably won't ask here
• 3471[19:23:13] <DeaDSouL> ok, what is the one you use for firewall in your servers?
• 3472[19:23:14] <tgunr> true
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• 3474[19:23:43] <tgunr> DeaDSouL I let my router handle all that
• 3475[19:23:55] <tgunr> Mikrotik 750RB
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• 3478[19:24:27] <tgunr> Or sometimes Cisco IOS
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• 3484[19:25:28] <tgunr> All depends if you are setting up a home network or a server farm
• 3485[19:25:35] <_mirko_> jelly: I tried that dvd on 3 real and one virtual machine, it's not bootable. I don't get why.
• 3486[19:25:42] <jelly> DeaDSouL: it's still the wrong question to ask here, if someone says "iptables-persistent" or "ufw" or whatnot you still don't know what led them to pick that tool
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• 3488[19:26:48] <jelly> !popcon
• 3489[19:26:48] <dpkg> well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at replaced-url
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• 3492[19:27:38] <jelly> DeaDSouL: you can hunt thru the popcon stats, see how many self-selected debian users have installed certain iptables/nftables wrappers
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• 3498[19:29:28] <jelly> _mirko_: usually easier to write (and overwrite) an usb stick than burn cd or dvd media these days
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• 3500[19:29:56] <jelly> if your can machine boot from usb
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• 3504[19:30:16] <_mirko_> jelly: I lose them like nothing :)
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• 3506[19:30:41] <jelly> if not, you're going to have a hard time installing a current debian on it anyway
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• 3510[19:31:15] <tgunr> jelly, is the the right place to ask about apparmor? Mine is failing and I am not that familioar with it
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• 3516[19:32:06] <jelly> tgunr: no clue about apparmor, not sure if the policies in jessie are supposed to be usable at all
• 3517[19:32:29] <jelly> ubuntu does a better job in that regard
• 3518[19:32:35] <tgunr> mine is failing completely
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• 3521[19:33:10] <tgunr> I prefer not to use it at all as I am only using debian (proxmox) on my LAN
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• 3523[19:33:44] <missmbob> !proxmox
• 3524[19:33:44] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
• 3525[19:33:45] <jelly> if you got proxmox up the result system is probably too far from debian anyway
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• 3527[19:33:59] <_mirko_> jelly: hmm, never heard something like that for other distros. I've never had problems with dvds before. Anyways, thanks. I'll use usb :)
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• 3531[19:34:44] <tgunr> unfortunately the proxmox channel is fairly dead :(
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• 3533[19:34:54] <jelly> !they don't know
• 3534[19:34:54] <dpkg> We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us.
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• 3551[19:40:04] <jelly> _mirko_: you must be lucky, I've had issues with dvd burner media on linux since forever, and basically gave up on them a long time ago
• 3552[19:40:42] <DeaDSouL> jelly: thanks
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• 3595[19:53:07] <dmmys> do not scroll down
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• 3608[19:56:54] <jelly> dmmys: ?
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• 3613[19:57:44] <jelly> dmmys: if you have a debian question, ask in here. Please avoid private messages unless you have reasons to contact an op.
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• 3616[19:58:30] <jelly> !ask
• 3617[19:58:30] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 3621[20:00:36] <dmmys> how to use root application in different user account
• 3622[20:00:53] <jelly> which application?
• 3623[20:01:01] <dmmys> tor
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• 3626[20:01:46] <dmmys> how to use root account application in different user account
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• 3629[20:01:59] <jelly> I don't know a lot about tor.
• 3630[20:02:19] <dmmys> don't u heard of tor
• 3631[20:02:23] <jelly> presumably if you have the service running you just have to set up proxy
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• 3633[20:03:08] <jelly> "heard" is different from "being able to help"
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• 3635[20:03:56] <nkuttler> dmmys: what do you mean, use?
• 3636[20:03:59] <zinx> i read an article about it on a blog, therefore i am an expert
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• 3640[20:04:12] <zinx> dmmys: if tor is running as root, you are not using Debian, and we can not help you.
• 3641[20:04:31] <dmmys> tor application is in root account
• 3642[20:04:33] <jelly> dmmys: please wait some time, see if someone with knowledge of tor can assist
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• 3644[20:04:47] <zinx> dmmys: you aren't using Debian's tor package?
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• 3647[20:05:39] <jelly> zinx: if you can, point them to the right place for their question; they don't seem to be very proficient in English
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• 3652[20:06:37] <zinx> jelly: not sure i know of any place that can help with a custom install of tor :/
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• 3659[20:08:14] <dmmys> their are 2 user account and 1 root and 2 bob
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• 3664[20:08:28] <dmmys> i want to use tor of 1.root
• 3665[20:08:36] <dmmys> to 2.bob account
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• 3668[20:08:46] <dmmys> thx hlp
• 3669[20:09:03] <zinx> not sure how it's set up there, but tor on debian runs as the tor user, and it set up to allow anyone to use it from localhost
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• 3671[20:09:34] <daggs> greetings, I want to install debian on a disk with 3 primary partitions that hosts windows, is it possible to install both the root fs and the swap on a logical parition?
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• 3698[20:13:57] <ThoughtDispenser> Hello, what is wrong with this apache vhost config? When I go to example.com, it shows me default server page instead of page from this vhost: replaced-url
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• 3700[20:14:15] <ThoughtDispenser> replaced-url
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• 3715[20:17:10] <jelly> ThoughtDispenser: which access log gets appended when you visit "replaced-url
• 3716[20:17:23] <ThoughtDispenser> jelly: The default one
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• 3721[20:18:41] <careta> any electrical engineers here? I would like to ask a few questions regarding SPI
• 3722[20:18:52] <ThoughtDispenser> jelly: I even have a feeling it worked fine until a restarted apache
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• 3739[20:26:36] <stephanie92> does anyone know of a remote desktop-like program (or vnc with good encryption/authentication) that i can use to allow my users to remote into my virtual machines from a dedicated host?
• 3740[20:26:51] <stephanie92> my users aren't technical enough to use x11 over ssh
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• 3742[20:28:19] <cybrNaut> stephanie92: there is xrdp, which is microsoft's remote desktop protocol. Note that neither end needs to be MS crap
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• 3747[20:28:32] <satbyy> how about rdesktop or remmina with Windows RDP
• 3748[20:29:11] <cybrNaut> rdesktop will indeed work, or a few others
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• 3752[20:29:58] <cybrNaut> but i say that with hesitation, b/c when I tried installing an xrdp server i could not get it working. Maybe it's progressed since then
• 3753[20:29:58] <satbyy> I used to use tightvnc, surprised it doesn't do encryption
• 3754[20:30:16] <ThoughtDispenser> (update) I managed to get it working, it was because my FQDN was the same as the vhost and I didnt set up ServerName in the default vhost -> the default vhost took the FQDN
• 3755[20:30:28] <stephanie92> Thanks guys :)
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• 3757[20:30:47] <stephanie92> meh the OS they're remoting into is Debian lxfe
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• 3770[20:35:12] <stephanie92> cybrNaut: hmm.. isn't rdesktop just a RDP client?
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• 3772[20:35:55] <afx_> Hello ! Does anyone know if syncthing-gtk is installable on jessie?
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• 3774[20:36:40] <satbyy> stephanie92: may be you can use Chrome RDP .. if you/your clients are ok with non-free sw etc (replaced-url
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• 3776[20:36:46] <cybrNaut> stephanie92: yes, but your server could be setup to accept a connection from it. what is the client os?
• 3777[20:36:54] <cybrNaut> to be clear, i meant that the remote user would use rdesktop
• 3778[20:36:56] <cybrNaut> of course if the remote user is on something else, they'll need a client for their os
• 3779[20:37:11] <stephanie92> ah okay
• 3780[20:37:13] <stephanie92> thank you :)
• 3781[20:37:27] <stephanie92> the client is windows, the remote machine is debian jessie (lxde)
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• 3783[20:38:31] <cybrNaut> in that case, they can use the Microsnot Winblows remote desktop client, and you can use xrdp
• 3784[20:38:31] <cybrNaut> (theoretically)
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• 3786[20:39:02] <stephanie92> interesting
• 3787[20:39:07] <cybrNaut> there must also be vnc clients they can install in Winblows as well
• 3788[20:39:07] <stephanie92> i'll attempt to set that up
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• 3795[20:40:30] <cybrNaut> stephanie92: there is also something called "nx technology" or "nt technology", but it's a disaster
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• 3799[20:41:13] <stephanie92> cyberNaut: haha i also much prefer linux to windows
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• 3802[20:41:57] <cybrNaut> someone attempted to make a thin replacement for x11, but decided to be patent whore / copyright protectionist and it lead to a proprietary piece of shit
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• 3805[20:42:23] <cybrNaut> you might encounter it in your research, but for me it was a disaster to try to get free "nx technology" tools working together
• 3806[20:42:43] <cybrNaut> it is a sad state of affairs. xrdp failed me too, but maybe i didn't work at it enough
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• 3808[20:44:28] <cybrNaut> note that if you have a chance to put your dumb users on macs, do it. OS X has rdp and vnc protocols built-in and it just works
• 3809[20:44:43] <Budd> I'm considerring running Debian off a read-only (squashfs) filesystem, with overlays as needed. This would allow me to have an identical base for many machines and only store differences.
• 3810[20:44:49] <Budd> Has this been done already?
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• 3834[20:51:43] <petn-randall> Budd: The more common way is to have VMs with a qcow2 image below, and clone that when needed. The target qcow2 will only write changes to disk.
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• 3841[20:53:11] <Budd> I think I was unclear; I'm running large handful of separate machines, and trying to 1) economize on backups and 2) make it easier to check that the systems haven't been tampered with.
• 3842[20:55:26] <Budd> throwing in the expectation that squashfs might speed up these slow-disk machines.
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• 3846[20:57:55] <petn-randall> Budd: Disk space is cheap, sysadmin time isn't. Unless you have 100+ machines, I wouldn't spend too much time with it. Regarding backups, there are several deduplicating systems like obnam, borg, and I think even bacula/bareos have learned to deduplicate.
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• 3848[20:58:48] <Budd> petn-randall: yeah, my backups are on btrfs, which can dedup once userspace feeds it clues of file-pairs to check.
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• 3903[21:34:12] <cesurasean> is xen-tools' xm toolstack depreciated in debian jessie?
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• 3915[21:39:40] <mtcj> Do Debian package maintainers generally ship vanilla sources and include patches, or do they generally make modifications directly?
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• 3923[21:40:33] <missmbob> mtcj: patches
• 3924[21:40:39] <mtcj> Cool
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• 3944[21:51:58] <pazuzu89> Hi, is there anyone here who has the 4.6 kernel and has Virtualbox working?
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• 3959[21:56:55] <babilen> pazuzu89: sure
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• 3965[21:57:41] <pazuzu89> babilen, Mine hasn't been working since I did a distro-upgrade ( I've read on google that Virtualbox is very unstable on the 4.6 kernel)
• 3966[21:58:20] <jelly> ,kernels
• 3967[21:58:21] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
• 3968[21:58:45] <jelly> wait for 4.7 and see if it breaks even further?
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• 3970[21:59:30] <jelly> ooh, ckt and debian decided to away with the sill 3.16.7-ckt !
• 3971[21:59:32] <jelly> nice
• 3972[21:59:54] <pazuzu89> jelly, Do you happen to know when 4.7 will be released on the stable version?
• 3973[22:00:06] <babilen> pazuzu89: Is that 5.0.24-dfsg-1~bpo8+1 of virtualbox-dkms ?
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• 3975[22:01:01] <pazuzu89> babilen, How do i check?
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• 3989[22:04:08] <jelly> pazuzu89: soon after it plops into stretch, but not before
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• 3995[22:04:26] <babilen> pazuzu89: apt-cache policy virtualbox-dkms
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• 3998[22:04:51] <pazuzu89> It's 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1
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• 4000[22:05:58] <babilen> pazuzu89: You might want to try the version in jessie-backports then -- Maybe that works better with the backported kernel
• 4001[22:06:17] <pazuzu89> babilen, Could you tell me how ?
• 4002[22:06:24] <babilen> (apt -t jessie-backports install virtualbox-dkms)
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• 4011[22:09:00] <ksft> I don't think any sound is playing.
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• 4013[22:09:06] <ksft> I'm on Debian 8.5.
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• 4020[22:10:01] <pazuzu89> babilen, Still getting the same message (Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908))
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• 4143[22:11:41] <babilen> pazuzu89: When do you get that?
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• 4191[22:11:56] <pazuzu89> babilen, Just now, and before
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• 4216[22:12:43] <jelly> pazuzu89: do you have linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed?
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• 4223[22:12:58] <babilen> pazuzu89: No, I meant: Did you run a command or something? What is that error the outout of?
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• 4228[22:13:22] <pazuzu89> babilen, That error comes from when I try to start a virtual machine under virtualbox, as it did before
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• 4233[22:13:53] <babilen> pazuzu89: What does "dkms list" give you and could you answer jelly's question?
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• 4237[22:14:22] <pazuzu89> babilen, dkms list doesn't give anything
• 4238[22:14:47] <pazuzu89> also jelly the output of uname -r is only 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
• 4239[22:15:12] <jelly> pazuzu89: good, so do you have linux-headers-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 package installed?
• 4240[22:15:12] <babilen> pazuzu89: Make that "dkms status" :)
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• 4243[22:15:36] <pazuzu89> babilen, virtualbox, 4.3.36: added
• 4244[22:15:57] <jelly> pazuzu89: if not, install it
• 4245[22:16:18] <winsen> hi all
• 4246[22:16:20] <winsen> does anyone know how can I test my dvd installation if it is good quality or not?
• 4247[22:16:31] <babilen> pazuzu89: Could you show us the output of "dpkg -l|grep linux-headers" and "apt-cache policy virtualbox-dkms" on replaced-url
• 4248[22:16:52] <jelly> dkms tool can't do much with sources for drivers before headers matching the running kernel are present
• 4249[22:16:56] <pazuzu89> jelly, linux-headers-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 this one?
• 4250[22:17:13] <jelly> yes
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• 4253[22:17:41] <pazuzu89> jelly, It was installed
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• 4255[22:18:30] <pazuzu89> replaced-url
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• 4258[22:19:03] <cesurasea> hey guys
• 4259[22:19:09] <cesurasea> xen xm toolstack is gone in jessie now?
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• 4261[22:19:21] <cesurasea> seems that broke cloudmin
• 4262[22:20:04] <winsen> any clue guys?
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• 4269[22:22:34] <babilen> pazuzu89: How did you install the backported kernel?
• 4270[22:22:44] <babilen> dpkg: show sources.list
• 4271[22:22:44] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
• 4272[22:22:48] <babilen> pazuzu89: ^
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• 4276[22:23:06] <babilen> pazuzu89: And did you install that box as wheezy and upgraded it to jessie later on?
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• 4278[22:23:39] <pazuzu89> babilen, I've done a dist-upgrade, and it stopped working after that
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• 4283[22:24:25] <pazuzu89> babilen, I'm assuming this is what you asked : replaced-url
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• 4289[22:26:12] <pazuzu89> babilen, replaced-url
• 4290[22:26:23] <babilen> pazuzu89: linuxmint?
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• 4292[22:26:52] <pazuzu89> babilen, I have installed many things and added repositories manually ( probably not a good ideea)
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• 4296[22:27:35] <jelly> pazuzu89: when did you remove the jessie-backports repo from your sources?
• 4297[22:27:44] <pazuzu89> jelly, I didn't
• 4298[22:27:45] <babilen> pazuzu89: What do you use linuxmint for? What essentially renders your system unsupportable by us?
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• 4300[22:28:08] <babilen> pazuzu89: You might want to use replaced-url
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• 4303[22:28:26] <jelly> ah, sorry, it's still there among lots of other stuff
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• 4306[22:28:35] <babilen> s/What/That/ + s/?/!/
• 4307[22:29:01] <pazuzu89> babilen, It's for the tor network, I'm sorry I'm probably giving you guys a headache right now
• 4308[22:29:11] <babilen> pazuzu89: You are missing "contrib" for backports, but I would *strongly* recommend to not install software from random third party repositories. And in particular not from derivatives.
• 4309[22:29:17] <babilen> dpkg: mint
• 4310[22:29:17] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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• 4312[22:29:33] <jelly> pazuzu89: using that many third party repos, not all even designed to work with jessie, it's quite possible a dist-upgrade installed more than you bargained for, from some of those
• 4313[22:29:36] <babilen> pazuzu89: tor and torbrowser is available in Debian. There really is no need for third-party packages
• 4314[22:30:00] <babilen> pazuzu89: replaced-url
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• 4318[22:30:38] <pazuzu89> babilen, Is there any way to check what I've installed from that repository before removing it?
• 4319[22:30:51] <jelly> pazuzu89: you could go back to a clean jessie sources.list, and try to get rid or downgrade packages that are not from debian
• 4320[22:30:59] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
• 4321[22:30:59] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 4322[22:31:04] <jelly> !obsolete
• 4323[22:31:04] <dpkg> If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>.
• 4324[22:31:19] <jelly> I always get that one wrong
• 4325[22:31:22] <jelly> !not available
• 4326[22:31:22] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
• 4327[22:31:46] <babilen> pazuzu89: I recommend to use replaced-url
• 4328[22:32:15] <pazuzu89> babilen, Should I change my sources.list to that one?
• 4329[22:32:20] <babilen> pazuzu89: Please use the sources.list I just pasted, run "apt update" and then "aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" -- Paste the output of the latter.
• 4330[22:32:22] <jelly> pazuzu89: so. Temporarily move away everything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/; replace sources.list contents with JUST the three lines for jessie, as above. Then do the "not available" thing.
• 4331[22:32:52] * babilen shuts up for a second (conflicting advice doesn't help)
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• 4337[22:34:51] <pazuzu89> jelly, I've did the not available thing, and it outputs me a very big list of packages
• 4338[22:35:32] * jelly not surprised
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• 4341[22:35:45] <jelly> pastebin it?
• 4342[22:36:27] <pazuzu89> jelly replaced-url
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• 4344[22:36:56] <jelly> ,v libssl1.0.2
• 4345[22:36:58] <judd> Package: libssl1.0.2 on amd64 -- sid: 1.0.2h-1; stretch: 1.0.2h-1
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• 4348[22:37:35] <jelly> yeah, that looks a bit too much to fix over irc
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• 4353[22:40:13] <jelly> half of xorg, openssl, ruby and python... some of the repos you had enabled were NOT meant to be used with jessie
• 4354[22:40:34] <jelly> ,v tcl8.6
• 4355[22:40:35] <judd> Package: tcl8.6 on amd64 -- jessie: 8.6.2+dfsg-2; stretch: 8.6.6+dfsg-1; sid: 8.6.6+dfsg-1
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• 4357[22:40:43] <pazuzu89> jelly, What should I do now?
• 4358[22:41:18] <jelly> I'd reinstall 8.5
• 4359[22:41:38] <jelly> then be a bit more careful about adding third-party repos
• 4360[22:41:49] <pazuzu89> That's a bit too much, I have lots of stuff on it, can't I sort this out?
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• 4362[22:42:21] <jelly> dunno what _you_ can do, but I wouldn't solve it even if you paid me $100/hour
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• 4365[22:42:47] <pazuzu89> jelly, Can't I just reinstall those packages (those who are in the debian repository? )
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• 4368[22:43:42] <jelly> if it were me, I'd back up the current system, reinstall, restore the data then ask here which repos are relatively safe to use
• 4369[22:44:24] <pazuzu89> jelly, well this is bad news
• 4370[22:44:30] <jelly> if however I had 8+ hours of awake time with absolutely nothing better to do I'd consider salvaging
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• 4372[22:44:55] <pazuzu89> jelly, that meaning manually going through the list and installing each package?
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• 4380[22:46:12] <bmomjian1> OK, I am reformatting my root drive to convert it from ext3 to full ext4; wish me luck. ;-)
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• 4382[22:48:37] <jelly> pazuzu89: no, install only what you need. Apart from the backup of the whole system, you can use a list of the stuff you installed manually as a starting point:
• 4383[22:48:43] <jelly> !aptitude clone
• 4384[22:48:43] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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• 4393[22:51:48] <pazuzu89> jelly, Doing it right now, do you think there will still be alot of packages not installed?
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• 4503[23:44:31] <computer> hi - what is the difference between updating via package updates & synaptic?
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• 4505[23:45:12] <computer> package updates seem to disregard my repo settings in synaptic? is this correct?
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