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• 7[00:03:18] <tomreyn> bolt: doh that's a really old kernel you have there
• 8[00:03:33] <tomreyn> bolt: if you like, show the output of: apt-cache policy
• 9[00:03:36] <missmbob> it's jessie's kernel
• 10[00:03:39] <missmbob> you know...stable
• 11[00:03:53] <tomreyn> built 2015-02-03
• 12[00:03:58] <missmbob> yeah. jessie
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• 14[00:04:06] <tomreyn> that's not the latest kernel build for jessie for sure
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• 16[00:04:07] <iKarith> Besides the encrypted and cached Jessie install for the Core i7 I'm picking up tomorrow, I've got another problem I'm working on: I'm going to be trying to build customized "appliance", and ideally if I can build the base only once (twice actually, amd64 and i686), that'd be ideal. The end result should be a hard drive image that can be run on real hardware or under either vmware or virtualbox.
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• 19[00:04:27] <missmbob> tomreyn: it is for most people. you can add jessie-backports repository if you need
• 20[00:04:30] <iKarith> I don't really have a "question" yet about this, but I think I've identified a few of the problems I'm going to face building it.
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• 22[00:05:27] <tomreyn> missmbob: version yes, patchlevel no
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• 24[00:05:44] <iKarith> First is that I'll need to install tools for vmware and virtualbox and have them do their thing if you're running under those hosts, or nothing if you're not. I think each separately handles virtual vs. real hardware, but I don't know if they'll try to clobber each other.
• 25[00:06:34] <missmbob> tomreyn: you're wrong
• 26[00:06:36] <tomreyn> HeXiLeD: what i accidentially addressed to bolt above (sorry bolt), was actually meant for you.
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• 28[00:07:12] <tomreyn> missmbob: how do you know?
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• 30[00:07:26] <missmbob> tomreyn: because i'm looking up the information instead of talking out of my ass
• 31[00:07:27] <iKarith> Second is booting on real hardware. Safe to assume i686 will use BIOS and a typical DOS MBR with grub installed and everything. There were a few post-Pentium 4 systems that shipped with EFI like the first Intel Macs, but AFAIK all of those will boot off a MBR-formatted drive in some emulation fallback.
• 32[00:07:36] <HeXiLeD> replaced-url
• 33[00:07:42] <tomreyn> missmbob: heh you're a little rough aren't you
• 34[00:08:10] <missmbob> tomreyn: if you cant give proper answers dont "guess". doesn't help anyone
• 35[00:08:16] <tomreyn> HeXiLeD: thanks. that's short indeed. you got no package sources.
• 36[00:08:18] <iKarith> The 32 bit EFI Macs required you install Boot Camp to do it, but if someone's trying to do that we can walk them through it.
• 37[00:09:18] <HeXiLeD> tomreyn: can i add them manually ?
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• 39[00:09:52] <iKarith> amd64 is a little harder.. The question is can I come up with some way to set it up so that it'll do the right thing depending on your system on amd64?
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• 48[00:14:28] <Fjorgynn> what is a samba domain controller ?
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• 50[00:15:06] <dolapevich> Fjorgynn: A samba instance configured to work as a domain controller :)
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• 52[00:15:18] <dolapevich> domain controller is a M$ concept.
• 53[00:15:36] <Guest48576> hello
• 54[00:15:42] <dolapevich> Hello there.
• 55[00:15:45] <vic> hi
• 56[00:15:53] <Fjorgynn> but what is it good for?
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• 58[00:16:04] <Fjorgynn> saving all my documents on a server?
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• 62[00:17:01] <dolapevich> Fjorgynn: No clue, I know that it used to be needed to allow unified Windows logins
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• 65[00:17:41] <dolapevich> your win machine used to login into the domain controller, that set the perms in the whole network, I thin it is still used to deploy policies in client machines
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• 67[00:18:06] <dolapevich> but I am not sure what changes appeared with the active directory
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• 69[00:18:28] <dolapevich> in short, it allows to manage a windows network as a whole.
• 70[00:18:40] <dolapevich> Be carefull to not mistake the "domain" part with a dns domain
• 71[00:18:49] <Fjorgynn> aha
• 72[00:19:08] <Fjorgynn> No I only know that we are using an active directory at work
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• 78[00:22:49] <dolapevich> yeah, active directory is an ldap server, and acts as the authentication backend for the PDC = Primary domain controller.
• 79[00:24:17] <dolapevich> I a client is logged into the domain a single time, and uses a profile in active diectory for machine authentication. the PDC admin can set policies to the client, and let it do things, print, share authentication etc
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• 81[00:25:08] <dolapevich> samba used to be capable of acting like a PDC, I am not sure if that is still possible. M$ didnt want it and there were some issues.
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• 83[00:25:40] <Lionyx> Hello. I'm running an image of debian on sdcard from a cromebook. Kernel is 3.4 and I get no sound or touchpad mouse. Anybody able to help me?
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• 86[00:26:43] <missmbob> that's wheezy. you should upgrade to jessie and maybe the new kernel will help
• 87[00:27:19] <missmbob> !tell Lionyx -about wheezy->jessie
• 88[00:27:34] <Lionyx> well, actually it's jessie.
• 89[00:27:48] <missmbob> 3.4 is wheezy. how'd that happen?
• 90[00:28:01] <Lionyx> noooo idea
• 91[00:28:15] <appas> Lionyx: look into the touchpad make, you might get help from the package synaptic, and/or libinput
• 92[00:28:23] <Lionyx> jessie repo on i guess
• 93[00:28:25] <missmbob> you certainly dont have full jessie. you can follow the bot's instructions or pastebin your sources.list
• 94[00:29:29] <Lionyx> there are lots of packages that needs newer udev and the udev needs something from kernel that isn't compiled. And I cant manage to find or be able to install another kernel. :(
• 95[00:29:30] <dolapevich> there is a bunch of information about debian and chromebooks in the internet
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• 98[00:29:51] <missmbob> yeah, because you didnt dist-upgrade to jessie properly
• 99[00:30:02] <dolapevich> replaced-url
• 100[00:30:58] <Lionyx> the problem is there's a bunch of different chromebook hardware... I'm on a armhf one.
• 101[00:31:01] <Lionyx> from samsung
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• 103[00:32:12] <Lionyx> I already have drivers from xorg synaptics, a xorg.conf entry and nothing happens, I noticed that when i wanted to install gpm (the mouse for console), the installer complained not being able to find a /dev/input/mice our /dev/mouse
• 104[00:32:23] <zinx> you can compile an armhf kernel from a i686/amd64 debian machine
• 105[00:32:28] <Aorious> Hi, is it possible to combine wget and dpkg or gdebi, so that mktemp is not needed?
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• 108[00:33:34] <Lionyx> zinx: that's new to me
• 109[00:33:34] <HeXiLeD> 2 debian OS stuck. one installing and the other with anything./ bloody hell. How can i force dpkg remove-essential to remove the package stuck ?
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• 111[00:34:13] <unborn> Lionyx: it would be stupid but I am going to ask - is your standard debian image working on ; chrome-what ever -hw you go?
• 112[00:34:22] <Lionyx> zinx: also, is it possible to get the image of the kernel ready to dd into my booting partition?
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• 114[00:34:47] <zinx> Lionyx: you can pull the zImage out of the build
• 115[00:34:53] <Lionyx> unborn: i have the image gotten from the wiki debian chromebook arm samsung tutorial. that's kinda working
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• 117[00:35:55] <Lionyx> zinx: is there a "how to"?
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• 119[00:36:04] <zinx> Lionyx: uhm, dunno!
• 120[00:36:28] <zinx> Lionyx: but the basic idea is make ARCH=arm instead of make :/
• 121[00:36:31] <dolapevich> Aorious: What are you trying to accomplish?
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• 127[00:38:25] <Aorious> dolapevich, Install packages via wget, without creating a temporary directory to store the files, before using dpkg -i.
• 128[00:39:05] <unborn> Lionyx: that is the - why - I asked :) sorry chap but I can support only official iso here..chromebooks are novadays like samsung or lg or other crap.. each manufacturers have its own crap to load.. so - give out the link you do have for your chromebook - the offical one - the debian one :) - thanks.
• 129[00:39:11] <Aorious> Can I use pipe packages into dpkg or gdebi, from strout?
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• 131[00:41:07] <dolapevich> dpkg can download from the internet, I think
• 132[00:41:07] <dpkg> i don't know, dolapevich
• 133[00:41:24] <tomreyn> missmbob: so, to continue our lovely conversation from earlier... the latest build of 3.6.17 for stable dates back to april 04 this year (stable-updates, to be precise there is a later stable-security build).
• 134[00:41:30] <dolapevich> let me try...
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• 137[00:41:46] <Lionyx> In this chromebook sd installs, there's no grub, right? vmlinuz is dd(ed) to the boot partition, and that's it?
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• 139[00:42:45] <unborn> :D well that said a lot..so there is maybe no chromebook at all..
• 140[00:42:46] <tomreyn> missmbob: i did not appreciate you calling me wrong in an aggressive fashion, without providing any resources to back up that claim. so here is mine: replaced-url
• 141[00:42:50] <unborn> just a spam
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• 143[00:43:30] <unborn> tomreyn: that is kind of normal here.. you will get used to it
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• 145[00:44:03] <Lionyx> I'm asking because I see no reason why /boot should be in a separate partition in this case.
• 146[00:44:37] <tomreyn> i've been around for a while, seen this happen before but i like this channel to have a more positive athmosphere than it sometimes has, so it's good to discuss this.
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• 150[00:46:51] <tomreyn> HeXiLeD: since you said you have added some lines to /etc/apt/sources.list, however apt-get update fails to update due to this https issue, and thus you can't seem to activate any sources. that's a bit of a circular dependency you have there.
• 151[00:47:07] <dolapevich> Aorious: dpkg takes a file
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• 160[00:48:57] <tomreyn> HeXiLeD: And I'm afraid I dopn't know how to fix an apt in this state. Maybe clearing the apt package cache state would help, not sure.
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• 162[00:49:29] <HeXiLeD> i have another problem in the other machine. Ican take care of this later.
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• 164[00:49:37] <HeXiLeD> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
• 165[00:49:39] <tomreyn> hehe, good luck
• 166[00:49:41] <HeXiLeD> need to get rid of this
• 167[00:49:52] <tomreyn> and running this does what?
• 168[00:50:05] <HeXiLeD> the package that tries to configure gets stuck and i dont need it.
• 169[00:50:22] <tomreyn> then dpkg --purge it
• 170[00:50:27] <HeXiLeD> just want to get rid of it
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• 172[00:51:21] <tomreyn> then apt-get -f install
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• 174[00:52:12] <HeXiLeD> dang.. i always get stuff with this package binfmt-support
• 175[00:52:18] <HeXiLeD> stays there forever
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• 178[00:53:14] <HeXiLeD> cant even abort it. have the kill the pids
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• 183[00:54:58] <Lionyx> I remember when installing from scratch that I was prompted if I wanted to get my user to be an admin. How to i set it manually?
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• 187[00:56:39] <Aorious> dolapevich, Does it take a package or URLs. How?
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• 195[00:57:26] <sideup66> hey room
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• 197[00:57:44] <tomreyn> Lionyx: i assume what you are trying to do is to be able to run administrative commands as your standard user using sudo
• 198[00:57:56] <sideup66> i got my autostart working, but here is another question, is there a way at shutdown to have a command issued, it seems that when the os shuts down, its not issueing my virtualbox autostart service a stop control
• 199[00:58:11] <tomreyn> Lionyx: if so, try this: sudo adduser YOURUSEWRNAMEGOESHERE sudo # and then logout and login again.
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• 203[01:00:23] <mtcj> If you just add yourself to the wheel group I want to say that's sufficient to get sudo privileges.
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• 208[01:01:48] <Lionyx> tomreyn: tks but no. I'm trying to write on something inside /sys/class without having sudo. Like I do in my home desktop
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• 212[01:02:54] <mtcj> Lionyx do you want to just have root privileges all the time?
• 213[01:03:13] <mtcj> Or perhaps privs for that file all the time?
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• 215[01:03:51] <Lionyx> mtcj: only to that file
• 216[01:04:24] <Lionyx> but it is in /sys, so chmod is not permanent
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• 218[01:05:12] <Lionyx> well. I'll do some reboots.. tks anyways guys
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• 221[01:05:55] <mtcj> I'm not sure how to accomplish that right now.
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• 227[01:08:15] <bolt> just write a script to do it and put it in sudoers as executable by whatever user you want?
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• 252[01:18:36] <mtcj> Ah good idea
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• 279[01:30:01] <awal1> when one drags x window app from monitor 1 to monitor 2, what happens in the background? which system components are involved in that process?
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• 309[01:44:45] <neilthereildeil> i just built a custom kernel
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• 311[01:45:07] <neilthereildeil> how can i rerun the correct scripts to build my fglrx proprietary driver?
• 312[01:46:12] <neilthereildeil> im following this: replaced-url
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• 314[01:46:35] <neilthereildeil> but when i try to install fglrx-modules-dkms and fglrx-driver, it says they are already installed
• 315[01:46:43] <neilthereildeil> yes they are installed, but for a different kernel...
• 316[01:46:59] <Whitelye> anyone know why I might get this error on apt-get update? Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.FailedToSetup: Failed to setup environment correctly
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• 318[01:47:04] <neilthereildeil> i need to rebuild the driver for my new custom kernel
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• 328[01:51:30] <missmbob> !kali
• 329[01:51:30] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 330[01:51:34] <Kwll> Hello
• 331[01:51:51] <frzr> !bali
• 332[01:51:59] <Kwll> is this debian support chat?
• 333[01:52:16] <missmbob> yes
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• 335[01:52:37] <Kwll> awesome
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• 337[01:53:02] <Kwll> how do I go about getting the firmware for my wireless
• 338[01:53:20] <missmbob> which wireless? lspci -nn and pastebin the output
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• 347[01:56:51] <Kwll> pastebin
• 348[01:56:56] <Kwll> 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6230 [Rainbow Peak] [8086:0091] (rev 34) 04:00.0 USB controller [0c03]: NEC Corporation uPD720200 USB 3.0 Host Controller [1033:0194] (rev 04) 0a:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06)
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• 351[01:57:21] <Kwll> ethernet got installed...lol but it said i needed non free firmware for my wireless
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• 354[01:57:41] <Kwll> was an idoit and didnt write it down....was wondering if there is a error log from the install
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• 358[01:59:28] <missmbob> Kwll: you also didn't do what i said. paste the entire output to replaced-url
• 359[02:01:13] <Kwll> ok
• 360[02:01:19] <Kwll> what is next
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• 362[02:01:35] <missmbob> nothing's next if you dont show us the paste
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• 374[02:03:56] <Kwll> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller [8086:0104] (rev 09) 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200/2nd Generation Core Processor Family PCI Express Root Port [8086:0101] (rev 09) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Con
• 375[02:04:01] <missmbob> no fool
• 376[02:04:04] <Kwll> lol
• 377[02:04:04] <missmbob> !paste
• 378[02:04:05] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 379[02:04:14] <Kwll> !paste 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller [8086:0104] (rev 09) 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200/2nd Generation Core Processor Family PCI Express Root Port [8086:0101] (rev 09) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graph
• 380[02:04:14] <dpkg> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller [8086:0104] (rev 09) 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200/2nd Generation Core Processor Family PCI Express Root Port [8086:0101] (rev 09) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graph: put your output on ...
• 381[02:04:18] <missmbob> jesus
• 382[02:04:21] <Kwll> grrrr
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• 385[02:04:25] <missmbob> you cant be for real
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• 387[02:04:29] <Kwll> I can
• 388[02:04:33] <Kwll> first time here
• 389[02:04:36] <uniTosch> let's skip this. iwlwifi is what they need.
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• 391[02:05:09] <missmbob> Kwll: when you pasted it in paste.debian.net you got a url. copy and paste the url ONLY in here
• 392[02:05:22] <Kwll> oh....*facepalm*
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• 395[02:06:25] <Kwll> paste.debian.net/806587
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• 397[02:06:46] <ryouma> Kwll: if you do the http part also, people can click
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• 400[02:07:29] <missmbob> ,pciid 8086:0091
• 401[02:07:31] <judd> [8086:0091] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6230 [Rainbow Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
• 402[02:07:36] <Kwll> replaced-url
• 403[02:07:38] <missmbob> heh. go to that iwlwifi wiki ^
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• 405[02:08:31] <uniTosch> Kwll: you are connected through ethernet?
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• 408[02:08:54] <Kwll> yes
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• 411[02:09:22] <uniTosch> okayo, then the wiki instructions for jessie it is.
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• 415[02:12:45] <Kwll> how do you remove the read only flag on the sourcec.list
• 416[02:13:00] <missmbob> Kwll: you enter it as root (or sudo)
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• 418[02:14:10] <woshty> why is 5.1 libreoffice gui so slow? I can see it redraw the menus from left to right.
• 419[02:14:31] <missmbob> Kwll: might what to show us what you change it to. paste that before you apt-get update
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• 429[02:21:20] <Kwll> wow
• 430[02:21:23] <Kwll> thank you so much
• 431[02:21:27] <Kwll> its on a working
• 432[02:21:34] <Kwll> you guys are amzaing
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• 434[02:22:53] <sideup66> hey room can anyone help me with something real quick
• 435[02:22:56] <sideup66> been on for a bit working on this
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• 437[02:23:16] <sideup66> im setting up virtualbox from repos to autostart at logon, i found how using the vboxautostart-service script in init.d
• 438[02:23:45] <sideup66> except now for some reason when i try to pass it a start control it does nothing from service vboxautostart-service start
• 439[02:24:01] <sideup66> but if i execute /etc/init.d/vboxautoservice it starts up
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• 441[02:24:52] <sideup66> what am i missing?
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• 444[02:26:00] <mtcj> What does service vboxautostart-service status say?
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• 464[02:36:39] <mtcj> Has anyone here used LTSP thin clients with nvidia-driver in the chroot? I notice that the VirtualBox drivers in a chroot for clients work pretty great but nvidia-driver reliably crashes Cinnamon upon login.
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• 467[02:38:22] <mtcj> I have not tested the driver outside of a thin client situation yet.
• 468[02:38:46] <mtcj> And I've tried both jessie and jessie-backports versions.
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• 475[02:43:07] <sideup66> nothing when i execute it mtcj
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• 478[02:43:47] <mtcj> Hmm that's odd
• 479[02:43:58] <sideup66> but if i path to /etc/rc.d/vboxautoservice start it will accept the start control and startup
• 480[02:43:59] <mtcj> It should say something at leas
• 481[02:44:16] <sideup66> yes at that point with the absolute path it would say its starting configured vms
• 482[02:44:28] <mtcj> Is the service installed so "service" can use it?
• 483[02:44:39] <sideup66> sorry* vboxautostart-service is the name
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• 485[02:44:43] <mtcj> I don't know if there's a special step involved
• 486[02:44:57] <sideup66> and not sure, i put it there as root and ran rc.d vboxautostart-service start
• 487[02:45:05] <sideup66> im thinking something there is missing
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• 489[02:45:28] <sideup66> it is something for virtualbox, script is from them, but it was added in by me as its not included in jessie repos
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• 491[02:46:03] <sideup66> im not sure what the process is to ensure service can run it
• 492[02:46:59] <mtcj> Try typing man service and see if it says anything about installing services
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• 494[02:47:45] <mtcj> I don't know if it says anything to be honest I'm not at a machine right now
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• 505[02:53:14] <sideup66> hmm
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• 515[02:59:36] <tom99> well I found out what happens when you mindlessly type "apt-get install pastebinit" then y ENTER
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• 517[02:59:51] <tom99> you end up downloading a bunch of python3 libs because i guess pastebinit is in python3
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• 530[03:06:38] <Kwll> hey all again...I havea quick question
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• 533[03:07:14] <Kwll> I am trying to install wordpress and the webserver...I used the gui package installerbt claims it get a hold of the respority
• 534[03:07:25] <Kwll> ...I uncommeted them in the sources.list
• 535[03:07:35] <Kwll> do i need to use the terminal for this?
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• 540[03:09:03] <tom99> i don't know Kwll, I always assume linux will not do what I want graphically and keep a command prompt open at all times
• 541[03:09:59] <Kwll> hahaha
• 542[03:10:23] <tom99> lol not even joking
• 543[03:10:35] <tom99> I wanted to add a desktop shortcut to my debian desktop in gnome3. No way to do it
• 544[03:10:48] <sideup66> does anyone know anything about vboxautostart script for debian
• 545[03:10:52] <sideup66> i have no clue what im missing
• 546[03:10:57] <tom99> technically I did find a way to do it though
• 547[03:10:59] <Kwll> i see....gosh darn it
• 548[03:11:02] <tom99> so that may not vbe the best example
• 549[03:11:07] <Kwll> apt-get got locked again
• 550[03:11:14] <tom99> I had to find a setting in the graphical menu to enable the file explorer to "take control"
• 551[03:11:18] <tom99> it sounded scary but I clicked yes
• 552[03:11:20] <Kwll> .....over at mint they tell you to never use term
• 553[03:11:30] <Kwll> use package installer
• 554[03:11:31] <tom99> haha maybe i'll try mint then
• 555[03:11:47] <tom99> sideup66: What are you trying to do? I use debian in virtualbox.
• 556[03:11:50] <Kwll> I am stealing my friend from windows
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• 558[03:12:04] <Kwll> so I got sarah and rosa on here for him to use
• 559[03:12:17] <Kwll> ....trying to build our webserver on this one tho...read its far easier
• 560[03:12:30] <sideup66> tom99, im configuring a virtual machine to autostart with the system
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• 562[03:12:40] <sideup66> and ive installed the service and it works...if i call it directly to its path
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• 564[03:12:51] <sideup66> however, if i use service vboxautostart-service start it does nothing
• 565[03:12:56] <missmbob> running a gui on a server is beyond stupid
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• 567[03:13:05] <missmbob> !bat
• 568[03:13:05] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 569[03:13:07] <sideup66> same with systemctl start vboxautoservice-service
• 570[03:13:12] <missmbob> do that if you want help
• 571[03:13:16] <sideup66> missmbob, its not gui
• 572[03:13:19] <sideup66> this is headless ;)
• 573[03:13:29] <missmbob> i was talking to Kwll
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• 575[03:13:57] <sideup66> oh
• 576[03:13:58] <tom99> oh ok. i'm using windows with debian as the guest in the virtual machine
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• 578[03:14:30] <sideup66> thank you though
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• 580[03:14:35] <sideup66> im just stumped why it wont execute
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• 582[03:14:52] <tom99> windows 10?
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• 584[03:14:55] <sideup66> cant reboot at the moment but can test with command
• 585[03:14:57] <tom99> i don't know how to manage services on windows
• 586[03:15:04] <sideup66> its linux
• 587[03:15:16] <johnkeates> no, it's patrick
• 588[03:15:19] <sideup66> the host is linux, guest is winxp, i run googlephotosbackup, wine works, but chokes on a big library
• 589[03:15:25] <tom99> er right
• 590[03:15:29] <sideup66> but xp can run it, so using that in my local lan as small footprint
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• 593[03:16:10] <sideup66> id just rather not have the machine boot it, then anytime the host reboots or shuts down, windows xp goes down rough
• 594[03:16:15] <sideup66> not good for it after a while
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• 607[03:28:46] <insecurity> i need help with name resolution. after connecting to my work VPN with openvpn, i'm using network manager to change the dns server to that of the remote network to resolve names on that network. using nslookup then server shows the right one, and resolving remote hosts works through nslookup, but things like "ping" are not resolving the names.
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• 616[03:34:20] <vvande> I guess you don't have access to the VPN server, so you should probably look at the client.conf file
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• 619[03:35:06] <vvande> I think dhcp-option is what could do it.
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• 629[03:44:12] <insecurity> yeah i added that but it didn't actually do anything, that's why i'm now adding it manually
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• 631[03:45:01] <insecurity> is it because it's not a real fqdn i wonder? all the hostnames i'm trying to resolve is companyname.local
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• 643[03:50:06] <vvande> insecurity: oh, so they're non routable addresses you're trying to resolve? well that would be the problem right there. :)
• 644[03:51:06] <vvande> I solve that problem in my router by adding a separate list there. not sure how you could do that in your case though
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• 649[03:52:26] <insecurity> well the addresses are ultimately rfc 1918 if that's what you mean
• 650[03:52:42] <insecurity> but under nslookup, the names resolve to the right non-routable IPs
• 651[03:52:58] <insecurity> my issue is that nothing else on this system is resolving those IPs
• 652[03:53:03] <insecurity> ie, ping, firefox etc.
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• 664[04:00:30] <mugatu---> Is there a way to configure xserver-xorg-video-intel settings similar to the windows intel hd control panel? I didn't see a config file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
• 665[04:00:41] <mugatu---> I want performance over quality
• 666[04:01:00] <johnkeates> no
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• 668[04:01:03] <mugatu---> =[
• 669[04:01:27] <mugatu---> my fps doesn't compare to winblows this is awful
• 670[04:01:37] <johnkeates> yeah, it's a known issue
• 671[04:01:48] <johnkeates> sad but not something that's controlled by a setting somewhere
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• 673[04:02:07] <mugatu---> I was hoping to install the proprietary drivers, but there's only a package for ubuntu
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• 678[04:04:11] <bazhang> mugatu---, fglrx?
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• 680[04:04:37] <johnkeates> you can get the source driver install off of intel's site
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• 685[04:06:24] <bazhang> most of the intel drivers stuff is already in a kernel module
• 686[04:06:39] <johnkeates> yep
• 687[04:06:53] <johnkeates> like it said, not much to do performance-wise
• 688[04:07:02] <sideup66> can anyone look at this script and tell me why systemctl nor service commands wont work with it?
• 689[04:07:04] <sideup66> replaced-url
• 690[04:07:11] <bazhang> you wont be getting 60fps on crysis with an intel chip
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• 693[04:08:36] <mdlpe> hi, I'm searching a raid enclosure for 2 hd 6tb, an advise ?
• 694[04:08:49] <johnkeates> don't do it, get a NAS instead
• 695[04:09:00] <johnkeates> or maybe eSATA if you are desperate
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• 697[04:09:36] <mdlpe> i don't want NAS
• 698[04:09:54] <johnkeates> what do you want
• 699[04:09:57] <bazhang> Im surprised raid is even considered
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• 701[04:10:28] <mdlpe> raid0/1/jbod usb3 2x6tb sata
• 702[04:10:42] <bazhang> ask in ##hardware mdlpe
• 703[04:10:45] <johnkeates> that's a terrible idea
• 704[04:10:47] <johnkeates> don't do that
• 705[04:10:57] <johnkeates> no raid0, no usb-raid controller
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• 707[04:11:00] <bazhang> its what he wants though
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• 709[04:11:05] <johnkeates> no it's not
• 710[04:11:10] <mdlpe> johnkeates: why ?
• 711[04:11:11] <bazhang> heh
• 712[04:11:13] <johnkeates> he thinks Y is the solution to X
• 713[04:11:18] <johnkeates> i want to know his X
• 714[04:11:22] <johnkeates> not a fitting for his Y
• 715[04:11:32] <bazhang> ftp is his x
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• 723[04:17:40] <insecurity> ok i'm using /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf which is populating resolv.conf when i bring up the tunnel. problem is, the only thing that's actually adhering to resolv.conf is nslookup. what givers?
• 724[04:17:43] <insecurity> -r
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• 727[04:18:03] <insecurity> is this some network-manager weirdness?
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• 731[04:20:44] <Capum321> hello, a bash script with `sudo rtcwake --seconds 60 --mode disk` doesn't wake. it actually sets the time to wake up to 3 hours from the moment i ran the script?
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• 778[04:53:44] <breedx> newish machine, upgrading from testing -> sid broke wifi (bcm43602) with network manager going from 1.2.4-2 to 1.4.0-3.
• 779[04:54:00] <breedx> it looks like the new version is always trying to set/change the mac before connecting.
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• 781[04:54:15] <breedx> and it gets into some weird state that refuses to connect. It was fine on the older version of network manager.
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• 798[05:04:43] <breedx> answering self (after a day of troubleshooting) -- issue is captured in bug #835822 and the NetworkManager.conf workaround described here worked for me! replaced-url
• 799[05:04:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 807[05:09:06] <superglue> superglue
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• 815[05:13:53] <insecurity> insecurity
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• 817[05:15:43] <Capum321> hello
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• 819[05:16:54] <Capum321> replaced-url
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• 822[05:19:05] <superglue> Capum321: paste is children's glue
• 823[05:19:09] <superglue> use SUPER GLUE instead
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• 825[05:19:46] <superglue> you spray superglue on a nigger and they get stuck up your daughter when they rape her
• 826[05:19:57] <Capum321> did you eat super glue a LOT, didn't you?
• 827[05:20:04] <superglue> because niggers who get high off of sniffing glue, rape pwople
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• 829[05:20:11] <superglue> Capum321: never
• 830[05:20:57] <Capum321> also known as shoe maker glue
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• 832[05:23:20] <superglue> Capum321: no more raping your mother!
• 833[05:23:25] <superglue> I glued her pussy shut
• 834[05:23:29] <superglue> with SUPER GLUEĎ
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• 844[05:31:06] <_unreal_> is there some event going on tonight that I dont know about? every channel I'm on even different servers is dead
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• 846[05:31:26] <superglue> lolololol
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• 848[05:31:45] <superglue> its the annual "rape _unreal_'s mom" party
• 849[05:31:49] <superglue> a global event
• 850[05:32:11] <superglue> _unreal_: that may be distracting ppl
• 851[05:32:13] <monoxane> It's fathers day in half the world iirc
• 852[05:32:21] <monoxane> At least it is here in Aus
• 853[05:32:33] <_unreal_> my munchkin is sound asleep
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• 855[05:33:27] <_unreal_> well, toying with what OS to install on my laptop
• 856[05:33:43] <monoxane> Debian?
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• 859[05:33:58] * monoxane has Debian on everything
• 860[05:34:04] <_unreal_> on a suggestion I tried ubuntu mate i HATE IT..... downloading the latest debian currently
• 861[05:34:18] <monoxane> Lol
• 862[05:34:35] <sideup66> anyone know anything about virtualbox in debian
• 863[05:34:36] <sideup66> ?
• 864[05:34:38] <monoxane> Afk, bloody grandparents are trying to talk to me....
• 865[05:34:44] <monoxane> sideup66: it works
• 866[05:34:50] <monoxane> That's all I know
• 867[05:34:51] <_unreal_> I tried debian on my cubox, but there are no repositores for it :(
• 868[05:35:10] <sideup66> monoxane, oh ok, im having a problem with the service file for the autostart
• 869[05:35:33] <sideup66> starts up ok, but if i 1. try to call it with service blah start it does nothing, same on shutdown
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• 871[05:35:47] <sideup66> and 2. on shutdown it does not trigger a proper vm shutdown, just shuts down the machine and rude kills it
• 872[05:36:15] <_unreal_> rude kill?
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• 874[05:36:45] <sideup66> yes, just kills the vm process without shutting down the guest which it is configured for
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• 880[05:37:43] <_unreal_> interesting
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• 899[05:52:07] <jim> any chance there's newer info than on udd about pciid 14e4:4365? like which module it needs?
• 900[05:52:22] <jim> judd doesn't know
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• 903[05:52:59] <missmbob> jim: replaced-url
• 904[05:53:29] <Ansem> why is debian so awesome?
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• 906[05:53:54] <Ansem> i distro hop'd for the past 2 months never once trying debian thinking it sucked due to aincient packages
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• 908[05:54:04] <Ansem> but past 2-3 weeks debian sid has worked just fine for me
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• 910[05:54:05] <jim> oh, it does? does it say what is the earliest version of the driver that supports it?
• 911[05:54:14] <missmbob> !tell Ansem about debian-next
• 912[05:54:26] <Ansem> lol wut is that?
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• 914[05:54:36] <missmbob> Ansem: see what the bot told you
• 915[05:54:47] <missmbob> jim: lists jessie as the first
• 916[05:55:03] <Ansem> oh
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• 918[05:55:12] <Ansem> i dont need support
• 919[05:55:18] <Ansem> just sayin how debian is coolio
• 920[05:55:21] <missmbob> i know. was just telling you for future reference
• 921[05:55:23] <Ansem> i ran stable for a bit
• 922[05:55:30] <Ansem> i know its no problem lel
• 923[05:55:53] <jim> Ansem, you might consider stable for things like servers
• 924[05:56:34] <Ansem> it seems quite usable for desktop aswell, programs i wanted to be latest i just compiled from source, rest is fine as long as it works
• 925[05:56:47] <jim> (you don't want the problems sid can bring (is -allowed- to bring) to an important server
• 926[05:56:52] <jim> )
• 927[05:56:57] <Ansem> but sorry for bothering you i just wanted to share it with the world :^)
• 928[05:57:08] <missmbob> Ansem: jessie-backports is generally good enough so you can get newer packages without compiling yourself.
• 929[05:57:22] <jim> Ansem, just sayin
• 930[05:57:54] <Ansem> like i said, if sid ever breaks completely i'll just do a fresh stable install
• 931[05:58:05] <Ansem> might enable testing repos instead of using stable ones tho
• 932[05:58:27] <Ansem> since i use it primarily as desktop
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• 937[06:01:22] <sideup66> hmmm can anyone help me troubleshoot an init script issue im having
• 938[06:02:15] <sideup66> this script, replaced-url
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• 944[06:05:02] <superglue> lolol
• 945[06:05:52] <mtcj> ololo
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• 947[06:06:39] <superglue> i m here for the lulz
• 948[06:06:55] <superglue> lets play a game called, "Glue it to the nigger"
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• 951[06:07:04] <mtcj> Um
• 952[06:07:09] <superglue> its where you superglue stolen stuff to a nigger
• 953[06:07:13] <superglue> and call the cops on them
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• 955[06:07:50] <jmcnaught> !ops superglue racism
• 956[06:07:50] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: superglue racism
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• 958[06:08:10] <jmcnaught> sideup66: can you make a paste of /etc/default/virtualbox?
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• 960[06:08:15] <missmbob> i tried like an hour ago. ops are sleeping i guess
• 961[06:08:29] <missmbob> /ignore ftw
• 962[06:08:35] <mtcj> Still having issues with the vboxautostart-service service?
• 963[06:08:36] <themill> superglue: grow up, thanks
• 964[06:08:40] <sideup66> sure jmcnaught
• 965[06:08:47] <superglue> jmcnaught: NIGGER DETECTED!
• 966[06:08:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o themill
• 967[06:08:55] <superglue> NIGGER ALERT! NIGGER ALERT!
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• 970[06:09:00] *** superglue was kicked by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.)
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• 973[06:09:25] <mtcj> Was something he said subtle? I thought it was really loud.
• 974[06:09:33] <sideup66> jmcnaught, replaced-url
• 975[06:09:37] <_unreal_> really? I didnt hear a thing
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• 979[06:10:03] <mtcj> Must have been the wind.
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• 983[06:10:15] <sideup66> also jmcnaught i renamed the service to just vboxautostart and re rc.d'd it, and the start control seemed to work
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• 985[06:10:51] <sideup66> nevermind
• 986[06:10:53] <sideup66> same condition
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• 988[06:11:21] <superglue> NIGGER ALERT! NIGGER ALERT!
• 989[06:11:22] <superglue> NIGGER ALERT! THIS IS NOT A DRILL!
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• 991[06:11:25] <superglue> ALL HANDS: BATTLE STATIONS! THIS IS NOT A DRILL!
• 992[06:11:28] <superglue> NIGGER ALERT! NIGGER ALERT!
• 993[06:11:38] <superglue> Target: themill
• 994[06:11:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o themill
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• 996[06:11:45] *** superglue was kicked by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.)
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• 1000[06:11:56] <preaction> themill: they've got a few IPs, might want to also ban the nick and user
• 1001[06:12:10] <preaction> they've been trying to get their +v back in #freenode for an hour or so
• 1002[06:12:11] * themill is well aware
• 1003[06:12:24] <jmcnaught> sideup66: thanks. so at line 109 of the init script is the stop function, and it's doing something for each user that has a /etc/vbox/*.conf file
• 1004[06:12:29] <_unreal_> themill, em good ;)
• 1005[06:12:40] <jmcnaught> sideup66: also are you using sysvinit or systemd?
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• 1009[06:13:23] <sideup66> systemd jmcnaught
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• 1012[06:14:02] <_unreal_> downloading the debian DVDs right now, this is going to take a while
• 1013[06:14:08] <jmcnaught> sideup66: what did you rename, and what is "re rc.d'd"?
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• 1015[06:14:57] <sideup66> i renamed the script name from vboxautostart-service to vboxautostart then ran update-rc.d on it accordingly
• 1016[06:15:13] <jmcnaught> sideup66: i don't use virtualbox, but there might be an explanation of how the init script is supposed to work its documentation
• 1017[06:15:34] <sideup66> i had also found a simpler alternate script as well im tempted to try
• 1018[06:16:05] <jmcnaught> sideup66: but the problem could just be that VMs take a long time to shutdown.. maybe you could try keeping a console or ssh open on the VMs during shutdown to see what's happening, or check their logs
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• 1020[06:17:07] <jmcnaught> sideup66: wait, does that script come with the Debian package? with systemd you might as well start using the systemctl command instead of update-rc.d and service
• 1021[06:18:06] <sideup66> nono jmcnaught i execute the shutdown without powering the system off with service vboxautostart-service stop command
• 1022[06:18:20] <sideup66> and no it does not jmcnaught thats why im lost, im wondering if something isnt right
• 1023[06:18:35] <sideup66> its an extra from virtualbox, but those are the install instructions, what i originally did with it
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• 1025[06:18:56] <tom99> can you run update-rc.d on something that isn't the format of LSB or whatever it is
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• 1030[06:20:23] <tom99> like Required-Start and Required-Stop and those?
• 1031[06:20:41] <jmcnaught> sideup66: where did the extra init script come from? i use libvirt which doesn't require and fancy tricks to autostart or autoshutdown VMs
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• 1033[06:21:36] <sideup66> came from here: replaced-url
• 1034[06:21:43] <sideup66> and never heard of libvirt
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• 1038[06:22:09] <jmcnaught> sideup66: are you using the Debian packages for virtualbox?
• 1039[06:22:13] <sideup66> yes
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• 1041[06:23:53] <sideup66> is there some weird incompatibility going on? by what i researched, that feature had been around since 4.2, jessie's current version of the program is 4.38
• 1042[06:24:40] <jmcnaught> sideup66: you should look in the virtualbox package's /usr/share/doc/ directory to see if there's notes about Debian specific changes
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• 1045[06:26:09] <Rusty1_> and there is #vbox channel
• 1046[06:26:34] <sideup66> im tempted to try the script found here first honestly: replaced-url
• 1047[06:26:45] <sideup66> Rusty1_, tried that one already, they send me back here because its from debian
• 1048[06:26:47] <sideup66> =|
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• 1050[06:28:55] <sideup66> jmcnaught, i thought it would be fine with virtualbox honestly, my needs for it are simple
• 1051[06:29:22] <sideup66> run 1 vm headlessly, autostart and shut down, and give me easy access (setup the rdp function to do that, easy to check on it that way from my windows box)
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• 1053[06:30:21] <Rusty1_> i remember respawn, inittab
• 1054[06:30:39] <Rusty1_> man init might have it
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• 1056[06:33:09] <sideup66> hmmm
• 1057[06:33:10] <sideup66> brb
• 1058[06:33:12] <sideup66> rebooting again
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• 1064[06:38:58] <klys> is there a channel devoted to a terminal emulator or coding for one
• 1065[06:39:31] <_unreal_> ?
• 1066[06:39:49] <_unreal_> klys, thats a rather wide question
• 1067[06:40:06] <klys> I want to find someone who is knowledgeable about terminal emulation
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• 1070[06:41:15] <Rusty1_> what terminal do you want to emulate?
• 1071[06:41:29] <klys> ansi, vt100, or linux would be fine
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• 1073[06:42:48] <ryouma> klys: please fix blinking
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• 1075[06:42:58] <ryouma> i.e. make cursor not blink
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• 1077[06:45:04] <klys> rouma, you need a terminal emulator whose cursor doesn't blink? not too difficult to find; aterm works
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• 1081[06:45:55] <jmcnaught> sideup66: it looks to me like the /etc/init.d/virtuabox included with the Debian virtualbox package already implements auto shutdown
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• 1084[06:46:33] <jmcnaught> sideup66: so you don't need to use that script, just set SHUTDOWN_USERS in /etc/default/virtualbox
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• 1094[06:51:43] <sideup66> what do you mean jmcnaught
• 1095[06:52:32] <sideup66> ohhh
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• 1097[06:52:47] <jmcnaught> sideup66: there's no need for a thirdparty script. if you read the virtualbox init script you can see what it does with that SHUTDOWN_USERS variable
• 1098[06:52:47] <sideup66> you mean change foo bar in /etc/default/virtualbox to the user that is allowed to?
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• 1101[06:53:35] <tom99> I don't have that /etc/init.d/virtualbox
• 1102[06:54:07] <tom99> just vboxadd, vboxadd-service, vboxadd-x11
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• 1104[06:55:17] <jmcnaught> tom99: maybe you're not using the Debian package, or the package is different after jessie
• 1105[06:55:28] <sideup66> ohhhhhh i think i see jmcnaught
• 1106[06:55:43] <sideup66> ok so if i specify that in settings the shutdown of the main service alone will do it
• 1107[06:55:51] <sideup66> but what do you set is the next ? or some example
• 1108[06:55:56] <tom99> what's the difference between an ansi and a vt 100 terminal
• 1109[06:56:08] <tom99> I'm on wheezy by the way jmc
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• 1111[06:56:53] <zorg24> Why does it say #debian-next is invite only when I try to join it?
• 1112[06:57:14] <jmcnaught> sideup66: i didn't look closely enough at the virtualbox init script to see if it supports autostart
• 1113[06:57:30] <jmcnaught> zorg24: that channel is on irc.oftc.net
• 1114[06:57:43] <tom99> oftc sounds like... off-topic! XD
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• 1117[06:57:52] <zorg24> jmcnaught, oh derp thanks
• 1118[06:58:07] <klys> tom99, there are differences in which escape codes are processed and how hey are processed, those differences are documented in the wikis.
• 1119[06:58:14] <sideup66> jmcnaught, it may need both then
• 1120[06:58:38] <sideup66> if i configure the shutdown it should shut down the vm and the start script will start it
• 1121[06:58:47] <tom99> vt100 was an actual physical terminal though.
• 1122[06:58:52] <tom99> was ansi as well
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• 1127[07:00:26] <jmcnaught> sideup66: yeah i don't see anything about autostarting VMs in the virtualbox init script. i would still consider using libvirt instead, it can even control virtualbox VMs (it has the best integration with KVM though)
• 1128[07:00:56] <sideup66> ill keep it in mind jmcnaught like i said i found a simpler variant of the official script im going to try
• 1129[07:01:04] <sideup66> may be something in its syntax that isnt cooperating
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• 1131[07:02:06] <klys> tom99. ansi terminals are a standard. dos ansi.sys complied with that standard.
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• 1133[07:05:21] <sideup66> jmcnaught, impressively it seems the simpler script works
• 1134[07:05:25] <sideup66> its quick and dirty method, but it works
• 1135[07:05:32] <sideup66> ill take simple and working over fancy and not
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• 1137[07:08:02] <sideup66> brb again
• 1138[07:08:04] <sideup66> testing a reboot
• 1139[07:08:23] <sideup66> wanna make sure os goes down gracefully, im reading some people have a delay in the script if the computer goes off too quick
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• 1143[07:13:01] <zorg24> Is their a good trick for fixing that when I do "apt upgrade" I get a rather long list of packages that will be kept back, its mostly a bunch of libboost and a few other things?
• 1144[07:14:03] <missmbob> so you're not running stable?
• 1145[07:14:33] <themill> zorg24: that would be a sign that you need to dist-upgrade
• 1146[07:14:42] <zorg24> missmbob, me no I'm testing I just asked here b/c I didn't think it'd matter
• 1147[07:15:12] <themill> the same problem can also happen in stable, it's just quite rare
• 1148[07:15:54] <zorg24> oh ok I'll give that a try then
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• 1159[07:21:47] <sideup66> jmcnaught, well that second script did it
• 1160[07:21:50] <sideup66> works as advertised
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• 1162[07:22:05] <sideup66> added a sleep timer too it too which gives it enough time to shut down (15 seconds)
• 1163[07:26:23] <sideup66> i think it was not handling the start and stop controls correctly
• 1164[07:26:27] <sideup66> anyway
• 1165[07:26:29] <sideup66> that is done
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• 1167[07:26:40] <sideup66> phew, onto the next project which is setting up email with exim through gmail
• 1168[07:26:41] <sideup66> :p
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• 1191[07:48:05] <ordinate> hey yall, i got a problem. been trying to install debian 8.50 on my win10 machine for the past 4 hours. onto my question, im getting a windows boot manager error after going through the windows setup application
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• 1194[07:49:21] <tom99> what windows setup application?
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• 1196[07:49:51] <ordinate> i put the iso file onto my usb stick using rufus
• 1197[07:50:04] <ordinate> and i got a neat filesystem with an application that says "setup"
• 1198[07:50:20] <themill> which mode did you use in rufus?
• 1199[07:50:31] <ordinate> default ISO
• 1200[07:50:38] <ordinate> FAT32
• 1201[07:50:46] <themill> yeah, that doesn't work
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• 1205[07:51:25] <ordinate> boot error says i'm missing a .mbr file
• 1206[07:51:56] <themill> I've heard its "dd" mode should work; we normally recommend using win32diskimager if you don't already have a linux install to use
• 1207[07:51:56] <ordinate> before this i mounted the iso onto the usb stick with Win32DiskImage with FAT
• 1208[07:52:16] <ordinate> got to advanced booting and got kicked into win10 each time
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• 1210[07:53:24] <ordinate> i think i was supposed to get a "boot with EFI something" button but all i got was "USB Floppy/CD" and other dumb shit
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• 1212[07:57:07] <ordinate> tried remounting in DD mode, now it doesn't show up on file explorer
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• 1224[08:01:46] <choice> Had the current Debian installer the option to install into an encrypted partition, or is encryption only supported when doing a full-disk install?
• 1225[08:01:53] <choice> s/Had/Has
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• 1237[08:04:13] <ordinate> that didn't work
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• 1247[08:07:35] <hk238> hi
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• 1249[08:09:05] <choice> Hi hk238
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• 1251[08:10:00] <hk238> tried switching to Gnome DE from XFCE after installing debian just yesterday, and I'm having trouble finding out ways to configure the default look
• 1252[08:10:21] <hk238> is there some stuff I need to install from terminal or something? Or something like that?
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• 1254[08:11:46] <han-solo> "what you see is what you get"
• 1255[08:12:05] <choice> hk238: What do you eant to configure?
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• 1261[08:15:18] <hk238> oh sorry I got distracted
• 1262[08:15:30] <hk238> well pretty much anything, or everything
• 1263[08:15:32] <hk238> >D
• 1264[08:15:39] <hk238> sorry keyboard layout changed
• 1265[08:15:48] <choice> hk238: Well, that's not specific enough to help you.
• 1266[08:16:16] <hk238> well for an example I've yet to find how I change the window style like they dont have the minimize keys yet :d
• 1267[08:17:07] <choice> hk238: "minimize keys"?
• 1268[08:17:13] <hk238> in the upper right corner?
• 1269[08:17:29] <hk238> you normally have minimize, maximize, close... so onw it's just close :o
• 1270[08:17:30] <choice> hk238: keys are those plastic things on your keyboard.
• 1271[08:18:14] <hk238> oh ?
• 1272[08:19:06] <choice> hk238: I have the feeling you mean the buttons in the windows title bars.
• 1273[08:19:10] <han-solo> it's buttons :) in your DE
• 1274[08:19:20] <hk238> yes :d
• 1275[08:19:21] <hk238> :D
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• 1277[08:19:38] <choice> hk238: Also I have the feeling you installed Gnome Shell.
• 1278[08:19:48] <hk238> like I dont know how the system works in linux in general.. like do i have to install some configuration applications?
• 1279[08:20:07] <hk238> yeah that's probably the case, I used tasksel to install `... gnome`
• 1280[08:20:16] <choice> hk238: Gnome Shell is a weird desktop environment that mimics mobile interface.
• 1281[08:20:32] <choice> hk238: You might want to try the Mate desktop.
• 1282[08:20:38] <hk238> yeah it definitely seems a little weird, but it looks good
• 1283[08:20:49] <hk238> and It has the clock in the middle of the topbar, which I couldnt figure out how to do on XCFE
• 1284[08:21:07] <hk238> so I thought I'd give gnome another try.. or I'm not following exactly what's what
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• 1286[08:21:31] <hk238> but I want to set up some panels, some features, and control colors and how things look.. and come out with a nice looking and convenient interface, however I dont know how adjust stuff for now :D
• 1287[08:22:34] <choice> hk238: Well, when the Gnome team built this atrocious "make the desktop look and behave like a mobile phone" thing called "Gnome Shell" or "Gnome 3" or whatever it is called, I said goodby to their stuff.
• 1288[08:22:57] <hk238> hmm I guess it makes sense from a mobile perspective.. yeah I think it has some serious problems, but they're not unfixable.. are they? :o
• 1289[08:23:01] <tom99> choice: I have gnome3 on my virtual machine in wheezy and it doesn't seem bad. is it a later version?
• 1290[08:23:18] <hk238> I like the way it looks best from the ones I've tried so far
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• 1292[08:23:38] <choice> hk238: I tried Mate, Cinnamon, Unity, KDE and LXDE and settled on Mate.
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• 1294[08:23:58] <hk238> I tried mate briefly too but not long enough to be sure if it would've worked
• 1295[08:23:58] <tom99> I had to fiddle with menus a lot just to add shortcuts to my desktop
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• 1297[08:24:17] <choice> tom99: Not sure. I try the latest distros every now and then and so far, I like Mate best. Gnome 3 was unusable for me everytime I tried.
• 1298[08:25:00] <hk238> I installed this `kali linux` first and I think the version defaulting to gnome, and I liked how it looked, but it was really slow and kind of awkward.. so ended up changing the linux, installing debian.. during intsall I thought that we'll I've seen gnome already so.. I installed mate, xfce, KDE
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• 1301[08:25:53] <hk238> then I tried them out but all of them had this windows 98 kind of feel to them. Which was adjustable, and I think it was in xfce that I got it to look pretty neat, but it still had some thing sI preferred in gnome, so I used the tasksel to install that and then now just logged onto it, was unable to find anything to adjust setting swith
• 1302[08:26:00] <hk238> and so I asked here and we have this conversatioj
• 1303[08:26:01] <hk238> :D
• 1304[08:26:36] <hk238> like for an exmaple I kind of like the `dash to dock` but it also seems resource intensive, or somtehing about this environment did on the kali version
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• 1306[08:27:03] <hk238> but then the dock seems to limited to having only 1 instance, and it's generally less convenient than the `panel` system that was present in the other versions
• 1307[08:27:09] <choice> hk238: You might want to try Mint Mate. That is the distro that looks and feels just right for me out of the box.
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• 1309[08:27:25] <hk238> I could but I actually had Mint before installing debian
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• 1311[08:27:35] <hk238> and I think it was pretty good or is it's a dual boot currently
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• 1313[08:27:43] <hk238> well the basic issue here was that
• 1314[08:27:54] <hk238> I was using windows XP last year, I just didnt feel the need to upgrade, coz I wasnt doing anything
• 1315[08:27:59] <hk238> then in October, I got into programming
• 1316[08:28:04] <hk238> and I got all kinds of trouble for having xp
• 1317[08:28:18] <hk238> so it was either buying windows, and well I'm not well off financially, so I tried linux
• 1318[08:28:22] <hk238> which was a good thing
• 1319[08:28:37] <tom99> hk238: do you know how to install the different desktops in debian? apt-get install Xfce?
• 1320[08:28:37] <hk238> and I think I actually mint right as first option, installed it at the end of the drive, so I only had 80gb on non-windows HD space
• 1321[08:28:45] <han-solo> buy windows?
• 1322[08:28:47] <hk238> and I'v ebeen using that.. so to get some more HD space, I deleted windows
• 1323[08:28:50] <choice> hk238: My approach is to simply install all distris. Each in its own partition. So I can choose one on bootup. And then after a while I delete the ones I dont like.
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• 1325[08:28:52] <hk238> and installed debian over it
• 1326[08:29:01] <hk238> so now I got a dualboot with debian and mint and I like it so far
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• 1328[08:29:43] <choice> hk238: Yeah, so you do it similar.
• 1329[08:29:44] <hk238> tom99 no I didnt know that you could do it like that :d
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• 1331[08:30:14] <hk238> left 100gb portion of HD space for installing a 3rd distro
• 1332[08:30:23] <choice> So as it seems, even in 2016 no distri has support for installation into an encrypted partition.
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• 1334[08:30:31] <choice> Will have to do it manually again then.
• 1335[08:30:32] <han-solo> tom99: he did tasksel i guess
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• 1337[08:30:54] <hk238> thinking maybe arch.. but it's really complicated to do all that command line stuff and memorize commands, I find everything is so much more convenient when you've a well structured GUI, so you don't need t ohave memorized what to do at each situation, it kind of flows naturally from visually obseving the contents of applications
• 1338[08:31:11] <hk238> yeah I did tasksel so.. anyway, any tips for configuring gnome?
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• 1342[08:32:16] <hk238> like I'd want to add some panels, maybe something to replace the `dash to dock` with, include a start menu, add hot corners functionality if possible, and such things.. Can I just use the same panels somehow that were in xfce by default? :o
• 1343[08:32:16] <han-solo> hk238: you're gonna need to memorize a lot of commands if you're getting into programming
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• 1345[08:32:28] <hk238> yeah, that's correct
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• 1347[08:32:33] <hk238> but that's also the hard part
• 1348[08:32:46] <hk238> if you can avoid that, you takes a workload off
• 1349[08:33:12] <han-solo> well, you wouldn't need to memorize much after you had some
• 1350[08:33:15] <hk238> well maybe not `the` hard part, but at least I find that reading through some documentation and memorizing commands is strenuous
• 1351[08:34:34] <hk238> I mean I do find something like terminal convenient if you do remember stuff, but it's like.. well a good example of this is I was ffmpeg
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• 1353[08:34:47] <hk238> and I kind of knew what I wanted to do
• 1354[08:35:05] <hk238> so one option was to read through some readme file, that explained what command arguments I was supposed to give to convert a movie or something like that
• 1355[08:35:21] <hk238> the other option, was to install a gui, and just look at the section that seemed to be dealing with that stuff, toggle the option and done
• 1356[08:36:35] <han-solo> hk238: how old are you?
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• 1358[08:36:40] <hk238> 30
• 1359[08:37:12] <tom99> i'm 25 and I don't even understand all the terms he used
• 1360[08:37:20] <tom99> dash, dock, hot coners, panels
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• 1362[08:37:53] <han-solo> :)
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• 1364[08:38:24] <han-solo> hot corners, was it?
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• 1366[08:38:57] <tom99> is that where you put your mouse cursor on the corner and something appears?
• 1367[08:39:01] <tom99> i think i read about that
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• 1384[08:55:23] <choice> Is it possible to download a debian installation iso with non-free stuff, so that wifi works out of the box?
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• 1386[08:55:47] <missmbob> !firmware iso
• 1387[08:55:47] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
• 1388[08:56:04] <choice> "unofficial" sounds kind of dangerous...
• 1389[08:56:19] <missmbob> choice: it's called unofficial because official debian cant distribute non-free
• 1390[08:57:06] <choice> The link shows kind of a directory structure.
• 1391[08:57:17] <choice> What do I download for a 64bit system?
• 1392[08:57:22] <missmbob> yeah...amd64
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• 1394[08:57:33] <missmbob> then iso-cd
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• 1396[08:58:10] <choice> "firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso"?
• 1397[08:58:14] <missmbob> yes
• 1398[08:58:28] <choice> Even if the computer does not have an AMD cpu?
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• 1401[08:59:20] <missmbob> correct
• 1402[08:59:36] <choice> Strange. Why is it called "AMD"?
• 1403[08:59:46] <missmbob> amd was the first to come out with a 64-bit chip
• 1404[08:59:59] <choice> Hmm... ok...
• 1405[09:00:09] <babilen> dpkg: why amd64
• 1406[09:00:09] <dpkg> The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). replaced-url
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• 1408[09:00:39] <babilen> choice: It's the same logic with i386 which isn't exclusive to Intel
• 1409[09:00:48] <choice> babilen: Ok. Thanks.
• 1410[09:01:18] <choice> I am trying to figure out how to install Linux into an encrypted partition on an EFI computer. Mints installer crashed. So I will give Debian another try.
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• 1412[09:01:39] <missmbob> debian's installer walks you through encryption. it's really easy
• 1413[09:01:52] <babilen> Debian's installer offers a "Guided Partitioning" method that will configure the necessary bits and pieces for EFI
• 1414[09:01:54] <missmbob> choice: are are you copying these isos to the usb?
• 1415[09:02:00] <missmbob> how*
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• 1417[09:03:25] <choice> missmbob: yes, via "cp thelongnameofthe.iso /dev/sdb"
• 1418[09:03:43] <babilen> That should work perfectly
• 1419[09:04:49] <choice> Has been working for me for years now.
• 1420[09:05:52] <choice> Should I install Debian without a desktop environment and then install Mate? Is Mate in the Debian repos?
• 1421[09:06:16] <malinus> Hello. I've got problems with my wifi usb adapter: replaced-url
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• 1423[09:07:32] <klys> malinus, iwconfig -a
• 1424[09:07:52] <missmbob> malinus: yes it's in repos if that's what you want.
• 1425[09:08:00] * missmbob hates mate
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• 1429[09:08:29] <malinus> klys: nope, not there
• 1430[09:08:39] <malinus> missmbob: not in jessie, as far as I can tell?
• 1431[09:08:45] <choice> missmbob: Since Gnome 2, Mate is the only DE I can stand.
• 1432[09:08:49] <babilen> dpkg: install mate
• 1433[09:08:49] <dpkg> To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
• 1434[09:09:12] <choice> babilen: Can I use apt-get instead?
• 1435[09:09:17] <missmbob> sure
• 1436[09:09:23] <babilen> choice: Instead of apt-get?
• 1437[09:09:36] <babilen> " ... then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» ..."
• 1438[09:10:11] <choice> babilen: Ah, I see. I saw "menu" and "space bar" in the text and though it refers to some graphical tool.
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• 1440[09:10:43] <babilen> That factoid provides information on how to install MATE on an already installed system and during the initial installation
• 1441[09:11:02] <han-solo> i can see that, it's in the tasksel --list-tasks
• 1442[09:11:09] <babilen> You can, naturally, also install individual packages if you don't want to pull in everything
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• 1444[09:11:26] <babilen> dpkg: depends mate-desktop-environment
• 1445[09:11:34] <babilen> judd: depends mate-desktop-environment
• 1446[09:11:35] <judd> Package mate-desktop-environment in jessie/amd64 -- depends: mate-desktop-environment-core (= 1.8.0+9).
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• 1450[09:12:11] <dpkg> mate-desktop-environment: depends on mate-desktop-environment-core (= 1.14.0+2)
• 1451[09:12:45] <choice> babilen: Is there a list of all the stuff that comes with mate?
• 1452[09:13:09] <babilen> choice: "/msg judd depends mate-desktop-environment-core"
• 1453[09:13:22] <babilen> (so we don't clutter the channel too much)
• 1454[09:14:01] <choice> babilen: That's all? That's a pretty tiny list.
• 1455[09:14:14] <choice> babilen: I thought it comes with all kinds of crazy stuff like an email app etc.
• 1456[09:14:15] <babilen> You can always install more ;)
• 1457[09:14:25] <babilen> Which email program are you looking for?
• 1458[09:14:43] <choice> babilen: Not looking for one. I hate it when a DE installs applications.
• 1459[09:14:52] <choice> babilen: But I thought that is what Mate does.
• 1460[09:14:57] <babilen> So, why do you want to install one?
• 1461[09:15:08] <choice> babilen: Where did I say I want to install one?
• 1462[09:15:17] <babilen> Ah, so the fact that the list is tiny is something you don't actually want to "fix" ?
• 1463[09:15:35] <choice> babilen: No, it would be great if it is in fact that slim.
• 1464[09:15:42] <babilen> Sorry, I misunderstood your "babilen: That's all? That's a pretty tiny list." in the sense that you were unhappy about that fact
• 1465[09:16:01] <choice> When it comes to software, tiny == good :)
• 1466[09:16:21] <babilen> I agree, but "That's all" sounded a bit negative
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• 1468[09:16:27] <choice> ok
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• 1470[09:16:57] <babilen> Although I wouldn't call MATE "tiny" in any way :)
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• 1472[09:17:59] <babilen> In the end I haven't installed MATE, but apt-get will list the packages it is about to install. There might be certain dependencies that aren't really needed, so you might want to install it manually with "apt-get --no-install-recommends install mate-desktop-environment"
• 1473[09:18:01] <choice> What makes it big? Is it bigger then Gnome 2?
• 1474[09:18:54] <babilen> The fact that it is a desktop environment makes it "big" already. A more minimal approach would be to just install Xorg and a minimal window manager such as i3, awesome, openbox, fluxbox, ...
• 1475[09:19:27] <mtcj> I really like i3 though I'm not using it right now
• 1476[09:19:51] <babilen> I begrudgingly accepted that wmii won't be maintained anymore and am using i3 now :)
• 1477[09:19:56] <mtcj> I've also used TWM regularly as recently as 2011..
• 1478[09:20:21] <babilen> Either way .. I'd say that everyone should use the environment that best fits their needs
• 1479[09:20:30] <babilen> (be that KDE, Gnome, MATE, i3, ...)
• 1480[09:20:41] <choice> babilen: Oh, so the list that bot shows might be without the "recommends"? And if one does only "apt-get install mate-dektop-environment" that might install tons of applications?
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• 1482[09:20:54] <babilen> choice: Try it and see
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• 1488[09:21:34] <babilen> I'd pull in metapackages such as mate-desktop-environment without recommends if at all
• 1489[09:21:55] <babilen> (if one is interested in a "minimal" installation footprint)
• 1490[09:22:16] <babilen> Note that this would omit packages that are quite literally recommended :)
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• 1492[09:23:01] <choice> What could be missing that I would miss?
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• 1497[09:26:44] <babilen> I have no idea
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• 1499[09:27:50] <babilen> Should be easy to find out if you were to actually compare the set of packages that are about to be installed
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• 1503[09:29:13] <choice> Is there no online tool for that?
• 1504[09:30:06] <ccmcdee> when deleting a package with installed dependecies, dpkg suggests removing via autoremove, how would i tell dpkg to ignore the 'autoremove' packages.list?
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• 1506[09:30:57] <hk238> hi
• 1507[09:31:03] <hk238> lost internet connection earlier
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• 1510[09:32:31] <choice> I wonder if I should add a swap partition. My desktop is happily running without swap for years now.
• 1511[09:32:55] <kion> I just did a fresh install of jessie and did an update upgrade, why do I still see the iceweacel icon instead of the firefox one?
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• 1513[09:34:23] <choice> kion: Is the update/upgrade part of your question important? Because I would not think it swaps out applications.
• 1514[09:34:44] <choice> If Debian 8.5 does not ship wiht FF in the first place, I would assume it will not be added via update/upgrade.
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• 1516[09:35:14] <kion> choice, should I then remove iceweacel and install firefox?
• 1517[09:35:21] <kion> I thought they were the same package
• 1518[09:35:37] <choice> kion: Is FF in the Debian repos?
• 1519[09:36:07] <kion> choice I don't know, but on my laptop one day iceweacel just became FF after an update
• 1520[09:36:20] <choice> kion: On Debian?
• 1521[09:36:22] <kion> yes
• 1522[09:36:29] <choice> Funky
• 1523[09:36:46] <kion> choice, I might be wrong, but I dont recall installing FF specificly
• 1524[09:36:49] <babilen> judd: v firefox
• 1525[09:36:50] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 48.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 48.0-1+b1; experimental: 49.0~b1-1
• 1526[09:36:51] <choice> guess you can check the repos with "apt-cache search firefox". Im not sure though.
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• 1528[09:37:07] <babilen> kion: Pull it in from jessie-backports. The package selection of "jessie" doesn't change.
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• 1530[09:37:29] <babilen> (which is why it is "stable")
• 1531[09:37:33] <jmcnaught> judd: v firefox-esr
• 1532[09:37:35] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 45.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.3.0esr-1; stretch: 45.3.0esr-1
• 1533[09:37:38] <kion> babilen, how do I pull it from backports?
• 1534[09:37:51] <babilen> jmcnaught: Indeed, good call
• 1535[09:38:30] <jmcnaught> also replaced-url
• 1536[09:38:31] <choice> Ok, so I plugged in the Debian 8.5 stick into my laptop... The first menu "Install" is right, right? Or do I have to go to "Advanced Options"?
• 1537[09:38:42] <babilen> dpkg: tell kion -about jessie-backports
• 1538[09:38:45] <ccmcdee> ah, found my answer
• 1539[09:38:57] <babilen> kion: You can also ensure that "firefox-esr" is installed
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• 1541[09:39:17] <babilen> choice: Do you want to set advanced options?
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• 1543[09:39:34] <choice> babilen: Not sure what advanced options are.
• 1544[09:39:41] <babilen> Why don't you look?
• 1545[09:39:48] <choice> babilen: I surely want to say "No DE please"
• 1546[09:40:01] <choice> babilen: My feelin is that "Advanced options" are more advanced then that.
• 1547[09:40:08] <babilen> My impression is that you want to perform an "expert install"
• 1548[09:40:26] <choice> babilen: Really?
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• 1550[09:40:53] <babilen> Yes, really. But feel free to not do it.
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• 1552[09:41:31] <choice> Still a bit sceptical, but ok. Rebooting...
• 1553[09:41:45] <babilen> You can also take a look and then, once you have the information, make up your mind as to what kind of install you want to perform. You might also want to read the installation guide beforehand and use the newly acquired information to make that choice.
• 1554[09:42:39] <choice> I'm never sure what a "Locale" is. Using "USA" for now...
• 1555[09:42:54] <choice> "en_US.UTF-8" I mean.
• 1556[09:43:34] <choice> "Detect and mount CD-ROM"?
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• 1558[09:43:43] <choice> Should I do that?
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• 1562[09:44:30] <choice> "A CD-ROM drive has been found"... yeah probably :)
• 1563[09:44:36] <babilen> Yes, you should do that.
• 1564[09:44:49] <babilen> replaced-url
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• 1567[09:44:54] <choice> Next it will find a punched card reader.
• 1568[09:45:06] <babilen> What's your native language (or rather the language you want your computer to use) and where do you live?
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• 1570[09:45:31] <choice> My native language is Geman. I live in Gemany. I want my computer to use English.
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• 1572[09:45:43] <choice> s/Geman/German
• 1573[09:46:13] <babilen> I'd recommend en_GB.UTF-8 in that case and also selection en_US.UTF-8 and en_DE.UTF-8
• 1574[09:46:19] <babilen> *selecting
• 1575[09:46:33] <choice> Why not "en_US.UTF-8"?
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• 1577[09:47:27] <choice> No it asks me to "Load installer components from CD". Guess it means "fom USB". Wonder if I need to select some of those.
• 1578[09:47:35] <babilen> Because that gets you weird date formats such as MM/DD/YYYY (month then day then year), all sorts of weird units and whatnot. en_GB is much closer
• 1579[09:47:57] <babilen> The installer doesn't differentiate between "CD" and "USB" if you hadn't noticed
• 1580[09:48:09] <babilen> Did you read replaced-url
• 1581[09:48:30] <choice> babilen: I prefer reading in English.
• 1582[09:48:42] <babilen> replaced-url
• 1583[09:48:51] <choice> I read and write more English then German.
• 1584[09:48:58] <choice> Local languages are so pre internet.
• 1585[09:49:16] <babilen> So, you'll be learning Chinese soon ;)
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• 1587[09:49:39] <choice> Have to visit China first so I see if I like it.
• 1588[09:50:07] <choice> I wonder if I have to load any crypto modules in the "Load installer components from CD" section.
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• 1590[09:50:43] <choice> I will try without any of those modules.
• 1591[09:50:49] <hiya> how to use Whirlpool hash in debian?
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• 1593[09:51:53] <choice> Do I need to set up wifi while installing?
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• 1596[09:52:12] <choice> The "Detect Network Hardware" page says "No Ethernet card was detected".
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• 1598[09:55:07] <choice> Hmm... the "Partition disk" thing has no option for an encrypted partition... going with "manual".
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• 1600[09:55:26] <babilen> There's Guided Partititioning that offers encrypted LVM
• 1601[09:55:45] <babilen> If you go with "manual" you'll have to make sure to the get the EFI bits right
• 1602[09:56:20] <babilen> Did you read replaced-url
• 1603[09:56:28] <babilen> It really discusses this in great detail
• 1604[09:56:36] <choice> babilen: Really? I see 5 options: "Guided - use tha largest continuous free space". "Guided - use entire disk". "Guided - use entire disk and set up LVM". "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM". "Manual".
• 1605[09:57:01] <babilen> "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM"" doesnt' sound as if it is "encrypting" things to you?
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• 1607[09:57:21] <choice> babilen: I don't want debian to use my entire disk. And I don't want LVM.
• 1608[09:57:41] <babilen> Okay, then configure it manually
• 1609[09:57:44] <choice> babilen: There is a bunch of other OSes on data partitions the HD that I want to keep.
• 1610[09:57:56] <choice> s/on/and
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• 1612[09:58:51] <klys> Manual, choice.
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• 1615[09:59:56] <choice> Ok, so in "manual" I guess I can skip "configure software raid" and "configure logical volume manager".
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• 1618[10:01:30] <shyam-id-au> How do I change my mic volume? I can use "Sound Recorder" to listen to sound from my mic. But alsamixer doesn't show my mic, and there's only one volume slider for "Master".
• 1619[10:01:45] <choice> No idea what "Configure iSCSI volumes" is. Skipping that also...
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• 1621[10:02:56] <choice> Should I use ext4 for / on an encrypted volume?
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• 1623[10:04:16] <choice> Should I do anything to the existing ESP partition?
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• 1626[10:05:00] <choice> And how do I set up a boot partition?
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• 1630[10:05:28] <ani> choice: you try install debian on notebook with preinstalled win?
• 1631[10:05:36] <choice> ani: no
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• 1633[10:05:57] <choice> ani: I just try to install debian in an encrypted partition on an EFI machine.
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• 1635[10:06:16] <ani> switch to legacy\compatible
• 1636[10:06:36] <babilen> ani: Whatfor? There are plenty of other operating systems on that box that use EFI
• 1637[10:06:44] <choice> ani: There already are a bunch of OSes and data partitions on the machine that I want to keep.
• 1638[10:06:46] <babilen> (and Debian is perfectly capable of booting on EFI)
• 1639[10:06:54] <ani> i he ask, then have problem or not?
• 1640[10:07:04] <ani> try standart procedure
• 1641[10:07:07] <babilen> I have no idea what the problem is
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• 1644[10:07:16] <babilen> (or even if there is one .. I guess there isn't)
• 1645[10:07:32] <choice> babilen: Right now I wonder how to chose the boot partition.
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• 1647[10:08:00] <babilen> What do you refer to by "boot partition" ?
• 1648[10:08:15] <babilen> The partition on which you mount /boot ?
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• 1650[10:08:21] <choice> babilen: yes
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• 1652[10:08:50] <babilen> You create a partition and select /boot as mountpoint. It isn't necessary to use a separate /boot though.
• 1653[10:09:08] <babilen> But configure your system in the way you like
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• 1655[10:09:20] <choice> babilen: Well it is necessary because boot has to be unencrypted.
• 1656[10:09:31] <choice> And / is encrypted.
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• 1658[10:09:41] <ani> choice: you want boot on usb ?
• 1659[10:09:46] <choice> ani: no
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• 1662[10:10:06] <ani> wha you want change mp of /boot?
• 1663[10:10:08] <choice> babilen: The problem is: when I hit <enter> on an unencrypted partition, there is no "use as /boot".
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• 1665[10:10:35] <ani> just use auto installer he setup evrething
• 1666[10:10:38] <ani> with boot
• 1667[10:10:52] <choice> ani: because / is encrypted and not available at the time the computer boots.
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• 1669[10:11:21] <choice> babilen: found it.
• 1670[10:11:24] <shyam-id-au> Nevermind, I figured it out! ;)
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• 1672[10:11:37] <choice> babilen: First had to say "use as ext 4" and then "mount point /boot".
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• 1674[10:11:54] <babilen> Why don't you read the docuemtation first?
• 1675[10:12:05] <babilen> *documentation
• 1676[10:12:07] <crazyman> dude im a black man on PCP
• 1677[10:12:13] <choice> Going to get adventurous and also say "format" the boot partition.
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• 1682[10:12:28] <choice> Now my last question if if I should do anything to the ESP partition.
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• 1684[10:13:23] <babilen> ESP is needed for EFI
• 1685[10:13:50] <choice> babilen: Yes, I know. There is an ESP partition on this machine. I wonder if I have to select it or anything. Guess not.
• 1686[10:14:08] <choice> babilen: The docu does not say anything about it. Just that on EFI systems there is an ESP partition.
• 1687[10:14:44] <klys> expanded stack pointer, extra sensory perception, and now this
• 1688[10:14:58] <ani> do not touch advenced settings, and no problem
• 1689[10:15:47] <choice> Lets go. Finished the partitioning. Now "install the system".
• 1690[10:16:24] <choice> "Choose from the available kernels" :)
• 1691[10:16:29] <choice> Yeah right... how do I choose?
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• 1693[10:16:52] <choice> "linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64" or "linux-image-amd64".
• 1694[10:16:54] <choice> ?
• 1695[10:17:09] <ani> you use some kind expert install?
• 1696[10:17:16] <choice> Why are there multiple kernels in the first place?
• 1697[10:17:20] <dutchfish> choice, the later one is just a virtual package
• 1698[10:17:30] <choice> dutchfish: Whats a virtual package?
• 1699[10:17:31] <dutchfish> choice, it will make sure you get the latest one
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• 1704[10:17:40] <ani> just link for support
• 1705[10:17:52] <dutchfish> choice, it automatically installs the former one
• 1706[10:17:58] <choice> dutchfish: Ok. I will choose the short one then.
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• 1708[10:18:29] <choice> "Choose initrd"...
• 1709[10:18:50] <choice> "include all drivers" vs "include drivers needed".
• 1710[10:18:56] <choice> choices, choices...
• 1711[10:18:57] <ani> all
• 1712[10:19:19] <choice> Is that a choice for the installation process or for all time?
• 1713[10:19:43] <ani> include in initrd drivers
• 1714[10:19:45] <ani> all time
• 1715[10:19:47] <babilen> Like most other choices you've made so far this one also pertains to the system you are installing
• 1716[10:20:10] <choice> "some boot loaders are unable to load all drivers"... so it seems to be something persistent.
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• 1718[10:20:37] <choice> I will try the "only drivers needed".
• 1719[10:20:46] <babilen> Why would you do that?
• 1720[10:20:49] <choice> or no...
• 1721[10:21:02] <ani> choice: if you change hardware system may failure to boot
• 1722[10:21:02] <choice> if the install fails, there is already too much uncertainty why.
• 1723[10:21:06] <babilen> Do whatever you want, but the recommendation was to include all drivers
• 1724[10:21:06] <choice> will go with the full one.
• 1725[10:21:14] <ani> choose all
• 1726[10:21:29] <choice> babilen: Yeah, I have choosen the recommendet one now.
• 1727[10:22:10] <choice> Getting a network error now.
• 1728[10:22:25] <choice> "An error has been detected while trying to use the debian archive mirror".
• 1729[10:22:35] <choice> Yeah, it did not let me select my wifi so far...
• 1730[10:22:38] <choice> What do I do now?
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• 1736[10:26:40] <klys> choice, get a prompt and do # lspci -vvv | less; and look for your wireless hardware
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• 1738[10:27:54] <choice> klys: no "less" in that shell. I guess I can google the hardware. What do I do then?
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• 1740[10:28:24] <klys> find the appropriate kernel module and run wpa_supplicant from wireless-tools and wpa_supplicant packates
• 1741[10:28:30] <klys> packages*
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• 1744[10:30:08] <babilen> choice: Did you configure wireless?
• 1745[10:30:09] <choice> klys: How do I find the appropriate kernel module?
• 1746[10:30:23] <choice> babilen: How? There is no option for it in the installer.
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• 1748[10:30:55] <choice> babilen: There is a "Detect network hardware" but that says "No Ethernet card detected".
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• 1751[10:31:12] <choice> And lists a gazillion drivers to choose from.
• 1752[10:31:16] <babilen> replaced-url
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• 1755[10:32:09] <choice> Why doesn't Debian ship the network detection that comes with Mint? I would assume it's all open source.
• 1756[10:32:25] <klys> choice, if you tell me the make/model of your wireless I will look it up in replaced-url
• 1757[10:32:39] <babilen> Which wifi card do you have? (run "lspci -nn" and tell us the pciid)
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• 1762[10:33:03] <babilen> Or which ethernet card if you are connected via ethernet also
• 1763[10:33:34] <choice> babilen: Croadcom BCM4352 802.11ac
• 1764[10:33:38] <choice> babilen: Broadcom BCM4352 802.11ac
• 1765[10:34:46] <babilen> dpkg: BCM4352
• 1766[10:34:47] <dpkg> Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the Broadcom BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225, BCM43227, BCM43228, BCM43142, BCM4331, BCM4352 and BCM4360 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see replaced-url
• 1767[10:35:04] <babilen> The pciid would be better/more helpful
• 1768[10:35:09] <choice> I don't see "broadcom-sta" in the driver list.
• 1769[10:35:30] <choice> There is "brcmfmac" and "brcmsmac".
• 1770[10:35:49] <klys> modprobe b43
• 1771[10:35:49] <choice> also there is "broadcom".
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• 1773[10:35:56] <choice> Should I just try some and see what happens?
• 1774[10:36:02] <klys> b43
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• 1776[10:37:25] <choice> klys: When I choose the "b43" I just get back to "No ethernet card was detected".
• 1777[10:37:48] <klys> yes, youmodprobe'
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• 1779[10:38:08] <klys> d b43, now install wireless-tools and wpasupplicant
• 1780[10:38:30] <bibble> just uninstalled resolvconf. been recommended to reboot. bad if I don't ?
• 1781[10:38:32] <bibble> Removing resolvconf (1.76.1) ...
• 1782[10:38:34] <bibble> resolvconf.postrm: Reboot recommended
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• 1784[10:38:36] <klys> you will not see anything until you do iwconfig -a
• 1785[10:38:38] <choice> klys: "apt-get install wireless-tools"?
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• 1787[10:38:58] <klys> choice, you may need to copy the package via usb
• 1788[10:39:06] <hk238> hmm is it correct that you can't use gnome.org 's shell extensions without using `shell integration` on the browser? :o
• 1789[10:39:11] <choice> klys: omg.
• 1790[10:39:28] <klys> do you have a debian install cd?
• 1791[10:39:30] <choice> I think it might be easier to work around the encryption issue on Mint then to work around the wireless issue on Debian.
• 1792[10:39:38] <choice> klys: I have an USB stick.
• 1793[10:39:52] <klys> is it netinstall?
• 1794[10:40:00] <klys> k
• 1795[10:40:29] <babilen> klys: It should be pointed out that choice is currently installing Debian
• 1796[10:40:36] <choice> klys: Yes, I think its netinstall.
• 1797[10:40:39] <klys> do what you have to do, the wireless-tools packages should be in replaced-url
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• 1800[10:40:59] <babilen> choice: fwiw, you can continue the installation without configuring your network right now (you just won't be able to download packages)
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• 1802[10:41:53] <babilen> If the installer doesn't recognise your hardware you might need a newer kernel. But there is little we can do without the PCIID
• 1803[10:42:11] <choice> babilen: What is the PCIID and how do I get it?
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• 1805[10:42:25] <babilen> As mentioned earlier: Run "lspci -nn"
• 1806[10:42:26] <kmh> is anonscm.debian.org down?
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• 1808[10:42:39] <babilen> kmh: It appears to be having problems right now, yes
• 1809[10:42:57] <klys> he's still thinking debian can detect wireless hardware. I'm betting it detected an interface. you can find out with dmesg | tail
• 1810[10:43:00] <kmh> ah ok :) thx!
• 1811[10:43:09] <choice> babilen: That is the command I copied "Broadcom BCM4352 802.11ac" from. What else do you need?
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• 1814[10:43:33] <babilen> choice: The pciid which is the alphanumerical identifier at the end (in [....])
• 1815[10:43:59] <klys> just that a wireless interface is not a network interface until after you negotiate one with wpa_supplicant.
• 1816[10:44:02] <choice> babilen: 14e4:43b1
• 1817[10:44:18] <babilen> judd: pciid 14e4:43b1
• 1818[10:44:19] <judd> [14e4:43b1] is 'BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Broadcom Limited' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
• 1819[10:44:31] <babilen> So, not supported by the kernel in jessie
• 1820[10:44:48] <choice> So back to Mint?
• 1821[10:44:57] <klys> <M> Broadcom 43xx wireless support (mac80211 stack)
• 1822[10:45:17] <klys> that is the kernel prompt for b43
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• 1824[10:46:19] <klys> again, you will not see any results until you run iwconfig -a
• 1825[10:46:54] <choice> klys: /bin/sh iwconfig: not found
• 1826[10:47:07] <klys> choice, I linked you some debs
• 1827[10:47:17] <choice> klys: No internet on that machine :)
• 1828[10:47:44] <babilen> replaced-url
• 1829[10:47:52] <klys> choice, replaced-url
• 1830[10:48:04] <choice> babilen: I thought I already have the non-free drivers?
• 1831[10:48:06] <babilen> klys: choice is currently running the Debian installer
• 1832[10:48:10] <themill> klys: none of this is much help in the installer
• 1833[10:48:11] <babilen> choice: That's for firmware
• 1834[10:48:34] <choice> babilen: What is the difference between firmware and drivers?
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• 1836[10:49:14] <klys> firmware is a file loaded into hardware from /lib/firmware when you do modprobe b43
• 1837[10:49:19] <babilen> firmware are binary blobs loaded by certain kernel modules
• 1838[10:49:47] <babilen> dpkg: firmware
• 1839[10:49:47] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
• 1840[10:50:02] <choice> Well, since I already started it, I will finish the installation without wifi now.
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• 1842[10:51:07] <choice> Will it be possible to get wifi later?
• 1843[10:51:30] <themill> with the aid of a usb stick
• 1844[10:51:39] <choice> omg
• 1845[10:52:04] <klys> I was thinking it may be possible to install packages via dpkg -x /target and using chroot to start the program(s).
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• 1847[10:52:30] <choice> I think I will abort this.
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• 1849[10:52:53] <themill> choice: do you not have wired internet access for that machine?
• 1850[10:53:07] <choice> themill: Like those cables we used in the 90s?
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• 1856[10:54:47] <klys> should have got the CD.
• 1857[10:55:15] <themill> choice: if you're not interested in working to solve problems, that's probably a good call.
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• 1859[10:55:52] <choice> themill: I'm definitely trying to minimize the amount of work I have to do, yes.
• 1860[10:56:27] <choice> The reason I was trying Debian is that Mint does not support encryption in the manual partitioner.
• 1861[10:56:41] <themill> it would have been less work to do this another way from the beginning, but you didn't want to listen back then...
• 1862[10:56:46] <choice> I will try to set up the encrypted partition in a shell and install into that.
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• 2005[12:17:24] <nicknight> how to install adb tools in deabian 8.5
• 2006[12:17:28] <nicknight> ?
• 2007[12:17:29] <Agiofws> replaced-url
• 2008[12:18:17] <babilen> nicknight: "apt install android-tools-adb"
• 2009[12:18:22] <babilen> dpkg: tell nicknight -about search
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• 2011[12:19:08] <nicknight> E: Unable to locate package android-tools-adb
• 2012[12:19:11] <nicknight> babilen
• 2013[12:19:17] <babilen> dpkg: bat
• 2014[12:19:17] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2015[12:19:46] <babilen> dpkg: show sources.list
• 2016[12:19:46] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
• 2017[12:19:51] <babilen> nicknight: ^
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• 2021[12:23:28] <nicknight> babilen: replaced-url
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• 2023[12:23:49] <babilen> dpkg: pastebin.com
• 2024[12:23:49] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
• 2025[12:24:04] <babilen> (literally any other pastebin is acceptable)
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• 2033[12:28:18] <babilen> nicknight: If you were to use a different pastebin people might look at the information you provided
• 2034[12:28:37] <babilen> (which is why we mention replaced-url
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• 2037[12:29:35] <nicknight> replaced-url
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• 2039[12:29:42] <nicknight> babilen:
• 2040[12:30:25] <babilen> nicknight: That's MINT which is not supported in this channel
• 2041[12:30:27] <babilen> dpkg: mint
• 2042[12:30:27] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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• 2045[12:30:43] <nicknight> MINt ??
• 2046[12:31:01] <nicknight> babilen: what is mint I am using debian 8.5
• 2047[12:31:05] <babilen> Well, Mint apparently -- replaced-url
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• 2049[12:31:19] <babilen> nicknight: No, you are using Mint (see line 10 in your paste)
• 2050[12:31:25] <nicknight> babilen: but why it came to picture
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• 2053[12:31:47] <nicknight> I addded line 10 to download something by apt
• 2054[12:31:53] <nicknight> may be
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• 2057[12:32:02] <nicknight> but I use debian 8.5
• 2058[12:32:08] <babilen> Well, sure. But that means that you are no longer using Debian, but Mint or some weird hybrid.
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• 2060[12:32:29] <babilen> replaced-url
• 2061[12:32:36] <nicknight> babilen: what I have to do ow?
• 2062[12:32:54] <babilen> But to answer your question: Take a look at line 9 and ask yourself why you commented it.
• 2063[12:33:07] <babilen> To solve this situation you might have to reinstall the system if you installed packages from mint
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• 2065[12:33:41] <jim> nicknight, what do you want to do? have debian in its intended form?
• 2066[12:34:04] <babilen> And what did you install from the mint repositories?
• 2067[12:34:41] <nicknight> babilen: may be virtualbox
• 2068[12:34:48] <nicknight> or something I dont remember
• 2069[12:34:57] <init7> how do I change Your Postfix configuration is missing the system's mail hostname
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• 2071[12:35:52] <jim> wait, I'm confused... what inspired you to add mint repos to your sources.list?
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• 2073[12:36:25] <babilen> nicknight: Run "dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/{pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}'|grep mint" and paste the output. Then comment line 10, run "apt update" and paste the output of "aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'"
• 2074[12:37:34] <nicknight> babilen: can u kindly give me corrct syntax and paste
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• 2076[12:37:44] <nicknight> its thrwing >
• 2077[12:37:52] <nicknight> like python interpreter
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• 2079[12:38:44] <babilen> What is?
• 2080[12:38:46] <nicknight> ok now I ot it
• 2081[12:38:50] <nicknight> one min
• 2082[12:39:24] <jelly> init7: what does "postconf myorigin" say?
• 2083[12:39:34] <SynrG> babilen: i guess the shell. Mismatched quote
• 2084[12:39:54] <babilen> I just copied the command and it works fine here
• 2085[12:39:56] <babilen> :-/
• 2086[12:40:01] <jim> one way, you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999", and to include error messages, "anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999", and combining that with what babilen asked for: dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/{pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}'|grep mint | nc termbin.com 9999
• 2087[12:40:27] <SynrG> Yeah. Mis-cut, it seems, but they have figured it out
• 2088[12:40:29] <jim> you would need to have netcat installed
• 2089[12:40:41] <nicknight> babilen: nick@localhost:~$ dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/{pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}
• 2090[12:40:43] <nicknight> >
• 2091[12:40:46] <nicknight> its coming like this
• 2092[12:40:57] <SynrG> Oh, perhaps not. :)
• 2093[12:40:59] <jelly> you're missing the last '
• 2094[12:41:07] <babilen> Yeah, you are missing the '|grep mint bit
• 2095[12:41:18] <nicknight> ok
• 2096[12:41:29] <init7> jelly: replaced-url
• 2097[12:41:36] <babilen> (feel free to paste without the grep)
• 2098[12:42:33] <nicknight> babilen: nick@localhost:~$ dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/{pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}'|grep mint bit
• 2099[12:42:36] <nicknight> grep: bit: No such file or directory
• 2100[12:42:36] <jelly> init7: ok, and what are the contents of /etc/mailname then?
• 2101[12:42:38] <nicknight> xargs: apt-cache: terminated by signal 13
• 2102[12:42:49] <SynrG> Hehe
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• 2104[12:42:51] <babilen> nicknight: remove " bit" at the end
• 2105[12:43:04] <nicknight> then it throwing >
• 2106[12:43:15] <babilen> No, it's not
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• 2109[12:43:29] <babilen> Literally run: dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/{pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}'|grep mint
• 2110[12:43:32] <init7> jelly: replaced-url
• 2111[12:43:42] <nicknight> babilen: I got it
• 2112[12:43:45] <nicknight> its firefox
• 2113[12:43:50] <nicknight> I installed firefox
• 2114[12:43:52] <nicknight> using that
• 2115[12:44:06] <SynrG> Let's see the whole output
• 2116[12:44:11] <nicknight> firefox: 43.0~linuxmint1+betsy /var/lib/dpkg/status
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• 2118[12:44:12] <jelly> init7: is that the right name your A and PTR records will resolve to?
• 2119[12:44:25] <jelly> init7: that seems fine, pastebin the whole "postconf -n"
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• 2122[12:44:32] <babilen> nicknight: Once you are done with that edit your sources.list to look like: replaced-url
• 2123[12:44:33] <nicknight> babilen: but that is bash script the one u gave?
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• 2125[12:45:45] <babilen> I don't understand why you would install firefox from mint (as it is available in the Debian repositories also)
• 2126[12:45:46] <init7> jelly: replaced-url
• 2127[12:45:53] <babilen> judd: v firefox
• 2128[12:45:54] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 48.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 48.0-1+b1; experimental: 49.0~b1-1
• 2129[12:45:58] <babilen> judd: v firefox-esr
• 2130[12:45:59] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 45.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.3.0esr-1; stretch: 45.3.0esr-1
• 2131[12:46:10] <babilen> (with the non ESR version being available from backports)
• 2132[12:46:23] <folivora> Hi, how I could se random hostname on boot? Or use mac-address as hostname ?
• 2133[12:46:28] <folivora> *set
• 2134[12:46:40] <babilen> folivora: Whatfor?
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• 2137[12:47:56] <folivora> I am starting N amount of servers from same image. I would want to those have random hostnames ...
• 2138[12:47:59] <jelly> init7: looks vaguely sane, except you have some crap in /etc/postfix/main.cf that postconf doesn't understand at all
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• 2140[12:48:51] <babilen> folivora: cloud-init might come in handy
• 2141[12:48:54] <init7> jelly: hahah :P crap
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• 2143[12:49:29] <nicknight> babilen: nick@localhost:~$ aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))
• 2144[12:49:32] <nicknight> >
• 2145[12:49:34] <nicknight>
• 2146[12:49:38] <nicknight> something i am missing?
• 2147[12:49:47] <jelly> init7: that's what the persistent "postconf: warning [...]" is, well warning you about
• 2148[12:49:53] <nicknight> and this is bash language?
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• 2152[12:50:12] <nicknight> also I installed firefox because iceweasel not allwoing me so
• 2153[12:50:23] <babilen> nicknight: No, that's aptitude search query
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• 2155[12:50:48] <SynrG> nicknight: ' at the end
• 2156[12:51:03] <babilen> :)
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• 2159[12:51:08] <babilen> deja vu
• 2160[12:51:11] <nicknight> pevious one
• 2161[12:51:41] <nicknight> on(CURRENT))'
• 2162[12:51:43] <nicknight> i firefox - The Firefox web browser
• 2163[12:51:45] <nicknight> i vagrant - no description given
• 2164[12:51:47] <nicknight> nick@localhost:~$
• 2165[12:51:55] <nicknight> this is the outut babilen
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• 2168[12:52:10] <SynrG> We didn't ask why Firefox. We asked why Firefox from *mint*. Debian has it
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• 2171[12:52:27] <babilen> Okay, so purge those packages and then reinstall them from Debian repositories. There really is no need to use Mint repositories at all.
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• 2173[12:52:46] <babilen> In fact doing so will, in the long run, break your system or, at least, mean that you won't be able to seek support in here.
• 2174[12:53:00] <babilen> judd: v vagrant
• 2175[12:53:01] <judd> Package: vagrant on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.3-1; jessie: 1.6.5+dfsg1-2; stretch: 1.8.5+dfsg-1; sid: 1.8.5+dfsg-2
• 2176[12:53:24] <babilen> nicknight: Do you require a specific version of vagrant and/or firefox?
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• 2179[12:54:01] <nicknight> babilen: I need vagrant but not firefox
• 2180[12:54:16] <babilen> Okay, but do you need a specific version of vagrant?
• 2181[12:54:33] <babilen> You can purge firefox by running "apt purge firefox"
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• 2185[12:55:35] <nicknight> babilen: ok thanks but iceweasel is not allowing me translate
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• 2191[12:56:15] <babilen> You just said that you don't need firefox
• 2192[12:56:27] <nicknight> yes
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• 2194[12:56:36] <nicknight> if iceweasel translate
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• 2196[12:56:59] <folivora> babilen: the API does not support cloud-init. Any other options which I could use in the image ?
• 2197[12:57:06] <babilen> Why don't you want to install firefox from the *Debian* repositories?
• 2198[12:57:18] <nicknight> babilen how?
• 2199[12:57:19] <babilen> folivora: Which API?
• 2200[12:57:30] <babilen> nicknight: "apt purge firefox ; apt install firefox-esr"
• 2201[12:57:33] <SynrG> Also, what do you mean by "translate"?
• 2202[12:57:39] <babilen> Yeah .. ^^
• 2203[12:57:44] <babilen> translate from what to what?
• 2204[12:57:50] <nicknight> languages
• 2205[12:57:56] <nicknight> like chinese to english
• 2206[12:57:59] <nicknight> etc
• 2207[12:58:01] <SynrG> I wonder if they are just missing localisation
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• 2209[12:58:17] <babilen> Are you referring to something like Google translate?
• 2210[12:58:26] <SynrG> Oh. Since when was this a feature of Firefox?
• 2211[12:58:34] <babilen> Either way .. Firefox is in Debian. It might just be that nicknight wants a newer version.
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• 2213[12:58:53] <folivora> babilen: API which I use to kickup the clones ...
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• 2215[12:59:01] <babilen> SynrG: My working hypothesis is that nicknight uses a plugin/extension for that, which is not supported in the FF/IW version in jessie.
• 2216[12:59:28] <nicknight> babilen: correct
• 2217[12:59:33] <nicknight> iceweasel old version
• 2218[13:00:09] <babilen> SynrG: I'm off for a little while. Might be a good idea to walk nicknight through configuring jessie-backports, removing firefox from mint and then installing the version from backports. vagrant might have to be downloaded from vagrantup.com
• 2219[13:00:23] <babilen> nicknight: That is why I asked if you require a specific version of firefox
• 2220[13:00:24] <babilen> :)
• 2221[13:00:29] <babilen> brb
• 2222[13:00:34] <SynrG> nicknight: do you know what the minimum version of Firefox is that supports your translate extension?
• 2223[13:01:07] <SynrG> nicknight: also what version of vagrant do you require?
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• 2225[13:01:25] <nicknight> SynrGy: I dont know and vagrant I am using from vagrantup
• 2226[13:01:42] <nicknight> Thanks a lot babilen
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• 2228[13:01:50] <nicknight> now adb tools are installed
• 2229[13:01:55] <SynrG> Why? I mean why not from Debian?
• 2230[13:02:12] <nicknight> SynrGy: from Debian means from apt ??
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• 2233[13:02:29] <SynrG> From Debian means not from mint
• 2234[13:02:33] <SynrG> Yes, apt
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• 2236[13:03:02] <nicknight> SynrGy: I dont know why my apt was not working at hat time so I used all hard methods now I configred my source list and come here when I face any issue
• 2237[13:03:11] <nicknight> Thanks a lot for the support
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• 2240[13:04:19] <SynrG> nicknight: i mean, what problem did you have with the Debian vagrant?
• 2241[13:04:43] <SynrG> nicknight: did you try to use vagrant from Debian before trying to use it from vagrantup?
• 2242[13:04:46] <nicknight> now I dont know few months back I was not ble to use apt
• 2243[13:04:47] <babilen> nicknight: You really have to switch to Debian's firefox now
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• 2247[13:05:03] <nicknight> now I have firefox en
• 2248[13:05:03] <babilen> (otherwise you won't get security updates)
• 2249[13:05:14] <nicknight> ESR
• 2250[13:05:16] <nicknight> sorry
• 2251[13:05:19] <SynrG> ok, good
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• 2253[13:05:25] <babilen> Yes, that should work
• 2254[13:05:29] <rly> How can I find which ext4 file F on an LVM2 volume is stored in a particular sector S on a particular device file DF?
• 2255[13:05:30] <SynrG> nicknight: and does your translate extension work with this version now?
• 2256[13:05:39] <babilen> Could you paste your sources.list again, nicknight ?
• 2257[13:05:46] <nicknight> but one question that first command u gave thats bash or debian search ?
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• 2259[13:05:58] <nicknight> babilen: ts same u gave in ur paste
• 2260[13:06:10] <SynrG> nicknight: the script babilen gave was a one-line bourne shell script (not specifically a bash script)
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• 2264[13:06:52] <SynrG> nicknight: that is, any bourne-compatible shell on a debian or debian-derivative system would be able to run it
• 2265[13:07:03] <nicknight> ok I want to lern thats why? but it need regex skills?
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• 2267[13:07:27] <nicknight> it looked like regex and I feel so hard
• 2268[13:07:35] <SynrG> nicknight: i think there will be time later to explain what all the parts do, but first, we get everything fixed on your system.
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• 2270[13:07:41] <SynrG> nicknight: your system still has non-Debian vagrant
• 2271[13:07:56] <nicknight> SynrGy: ok
• 2272[13:08:05] <SynrG> nicknight: i was trying to understand why you installed that, and not the Debian vagrant
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• 2274[13:08:14] <nicknight> but vagrantup is officilonly right?
• 2275[13:08:40] <SynrG> I don't know.
• 2276[13:08:50] <babilen> Okay, you might want to edit that a little and use: replaced-url
• 2277[13:08:54] <babilen> nicknight: ^
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• 2279[13:09:18] <babilen> SynrG: A bunch of vagrant plugins require 1.8+ and there is, unfortunately, no backport
• 2280[13:09:27] <babilen> (which might be a reason)
• 2281[13:09:28] <nicknight> babilen: SynrGy ok thanks a lot I feel I reinstall my debian again and come here in few hours
• 2282[13:09:36] <nicknight> because I did so many crap things
• 2283[13:09:38] <babilen> No, there's no need to reinstall it
• 2284[13:09:50] <SynrG> nicknight: what other "crap things" are you worried about?
• 2285[13:09:56] <SynrG> nicknight: the ones you showed us, we fixed
• 2286[13:10:13] <SynrG> nicknight: it is probably OK to continue to use upstream's vagrant
• 2287[13:10:13] <nicknight> I was not able to install skype
• 2288[13:10:21] <SynrG> ah. skype is the devil
• 2289[13:10:29] <babilen> But also not that hard to install
• 2290[13:10:35] <SynrG> yes :)
• 2291[13:10:36] <jelly> nicknight: the old client or the new beta?
• 2292[13:10:51] <nicknight> I downloaded 64 vit it said debian 7
• 2293[13:11:05] <babilen> nicknight: Please start by using the sources.list I pasted earlier and running "apt update"
• 2294[13:11:07] <jelly> pardon, new alpha
• 2295[13:11:15] <babilen> jelly: Where do you get the "new alpha" ?
• 2296[13:11:24] <SynrG> nicknight: consider convincing your friends and colleagues to use webrtc instead. there are many web sites that do that. and any modern web browser will support it.
• 2297[13:11:35] <nicknight> Ok I am doing that
• 2298[13:11:37] <jelly> babilen: replaced-url
• 2299[13:11:43] <babilen> Thanks
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• 2301[13:11:58] <SynrG> nicknight: that being said, if you want to use skype, go ahead. i just think in the long term, webrtc is a better technology
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• 2303[13:12:06] <nicknight> SynrGy: what is webrtc??
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• 2308[13:12:49] <SynrG> nicknight: new web standard based video chat
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• 2310[13:13:11] <SynrG> nicknight: replaced-url
• 2311[13:13:22] <jelly> the nice thing about standards is there's so many to choose from
• 2312[13:13:25] <SynrG> for example, replaced-url
• 2313[13:13:34] <nicknight> web skype ?
• 2314[13:13:43] <nicknight> Ok
• 2315[13:13:49] <SynrG> all it needs is a modern browser (any recent firefox, chrome, etc.)
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• 2318[13:13:55] <babilen> jelly: Does that support video calls?
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• 2320[13:14:27] <jelly> babilen: haven't tried it yet
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• 2322[13:15:51] <jelly> apparently it's coinstallable and corunnable with their old client
• 2323[13:15:51] <SynrG> talky.io also supports screen sharing. i think the chrome support for this is better than firefox (supports sharing individual windows, whereas firefox, if i recall correctly, does not)
• 2324[13:16:13] <nicknight> Ok Thanks a lot babilen SynrGy I am leaving and will be back :)
• 2325[13:16:20] <SynrG> later
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• 2327[13:16:52] <SynrG> nicknight: so i hope you did fix your sources.list like babilen said. it was unclear if you did.
• 2328[13:17:14] <nicknight> I fixed that
• 2329[13:17:17] <SynrG> good
• 2330[13:17:23] <nicknight> and also installed adb tools from apt
• 2331[13:17:27] <nicknight> its working now
• 2332[13:17:30] <nicknight> :)
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• 2334[13:17:31] <SynrG> excellent
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• 2336[13:17:41] <nicknight> Yo :)
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• 2366[13:36:37] <DoctorD90> Guys, on live distro, I find out 2 kernel option 586/686 pae...How may I accomplish the same on my chrooted system?
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• 2370[13:37:25] <quantomworks> hokay. How do I get wine and mono to work so I can run this exe
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• 2372[13:37:44] <quantomworks> im using ExaGear with raspbian but all the .net installs have failed and mono is glitching otu the program
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• 2374[13:37:57] <quantomworks> I tried crossover. crossover cant do it
• 2375[13:38:03] <quantomworks> I tried several version of mono
• 2376[13:38:11] <quantomworks> and im about to flip all of the tables
• 2377[13:38:39] <quantomworks> here is my attempt with wine and mono
• 2378[13:38:41] <quantomworks> under exagear
• 2379[13:38:42] <quantomworks> replaced-url
• 2380[13:38:53] <quantomworks> Im trying to run the program flashdevelop
• 2381[13:38:56] <monoxane> who summoned thy
• 2382[13:38:58] <monoxane> oh
• 2383[13:39:02] <monoxane> mono shit
• 2384[13:39:05] <spacemn> DoctorD90: pae is kernel related (physical address extension), I think the option on a live image is available at boot time
• 2385[13:39:09] <SynrG> DoctorD90: i think you may have understood what a chroot is
• 2386[13:39:09] * monoxane disappears
• 2387[13:39:10] <quantomworks> monoxane lol sorry
• 2388[13:39:45] <quantomworks> should I just go for an older version of wine vs 1.8.1?
• 2389[13:39:53] <quantomworks> mono is version 3.2.8
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• 2391[13:39:59] <jelly> quantomworks: if you're on raspbian, you ought to ask in #raspbian channel
• 2392[13:39:59] <quantomworks> but wine cant install anything .net
• 2393[13:40:11] <quantomworks> #jelly this is arm based and raspbian is quiet..
• 2394[13:40:14] <quantomworks> .i mean
• 2395[13:40:16] <quantomworks> x8
• 2396[13:40:17] <SynrG> !raspbian
• 2397[13:40:17] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 2398[13:40:18] <quantomworks> x86
• 2399[13:40:22] <jelly> wine typically works better on x86
• 2400[13:40:24] <quantomworks> : /
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• 2402[13:40:41] <quantomworks> i mean im running it using Exagear which is a arm to x86 translator like Qemu
• 2403[13:40:55] <unborn> quantomworks: wine is polite but sort of rubbish.. if you need to install proper windows apps I suggest you to go with virtualbox or vmware..
• 2404[13:40:58] <jelly> quantomworks: if you can reproduce the same issue in debian, ask here
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• 2407[13:41:31] <DoctorD90> SynrG, sorry, I reduce question. Im trying to create a live cd to hold stuff I need even when I havent my pc with me. So Im trying to create a live cd. Id like to add support as wide as I can for live cd :) so I'd like to add kernel types....like 386-486-586-686...
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• 2409[13:42:06] <SynrG> DoctorD90: using what tools?
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• 2411[13:42:17] <jelly> quantomworks: but you have several layers of stuff like that, it's going to be VERY hard to figure out what goes wrong
• 2412[13:42:18] <quantomworks> unborn: .... can i run virtual box on -1 gig of ram
• 2413[13:42:27] <quantomworks> jelly: exactly..
• 2414[13:42:34] <unborn> quantomworks: then I am sorry.
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• 2416[13:42:48] <quantomworks> Im asking of i can..
• 2417[13:42:51] <quantomworks> damn i dont think i can..
• 2418[13:43:00] <DoctorD90> I thougth that to run on a 86x or on an 64x, I should install double of each packages, so I would like to create 2 different cd, but Id like to add as many support as I can
• 2419[13:43:01] <jelly> quantomworks: I'd suggest running the same tool under x86 and wine for a start, then IF it works, ask the exagear people
• 2420[13:43:17] <quantomworks> ....does debian (or anything in debians' repo) have some sort of tool that lets u use a USB stick as extra RAM?
• 2421[13:43:23] <DoctorD90> SynrG, some normal software, and some other a little more specific...a custom cd :)
• 2422[13:43:29] <unborn> quantomworks: sure you can.. however I dont see that much positive to run anything on less then 500mb of ram or less then - nothing.
• 2423[13:43:31] <jelly> quantomworks: it's called "swap space"
• 2424[13:43:33] <SynrG> DoctorD90: with live-build it is easy, but if you're using that, seek support on #debian-live @ irc.oftc.net
• 2425[13:43:51] <unborn> ...not even android system.
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• 2427[13:43:59] <DoctorD90> SynrG, but is possible?
• 2428[13:43:59] <jelly> quantomworks: #raspbian will tell you how to enable swap in raspbian
• 2429[13:44:05] <SynrG> Otherwise, you have been so vague, i don't know how we can help
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• 2431[13:44:21] <quantomworks> Raspbian never replies to my questions..
• 2432[13:44:24] <quantomworks> im in there right now
• 2433[13:44:28] <quantomworks> no one is even talking --_
• 2434[13:44:34] <DoctorD90> i mean, installing from apt-get linux-image...-686 and some other, may I run them on different arch?
• 2435[13:44:35] <jelly> quantomworks: be patient, it's weekend
• 2436[13:44:44] <unborn> ^^^
• 2437[13:44:47] <unborn> exactly
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• 2439[13:44:57] <DoctorD90> or better...a better question, what happen if I install 2 kernel?
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• 2441[13:45:52] <SynrG> DoctorD90: if you're concerned about what happens in a different arch (i386) chroot on an amd64 host, this works just fine.
• 2442[13:45:53] <jelly> DoctorD90: nothing much, grub configures the one with "latest" version to be booted by default
• 2443[13:46:19] <SynrG> DoctorD90: if you're using that chroot to build a live system, you just install multiple kernels as usual inside the chroot.
• 2444[13:46:23] <jelly> kernels inside chroot are not really useful
• 2445[13:46:27] <SynrG> DoctorD90: and configure your boot manager
• 2446[13:46:42] <SynrG> jelly: i think this is to prep the live system. the chroot will be used to image a live system.
• 2447[13:46:52] <jelly> ah, I'm missing context
• 2448[13:46:52] <SynrG> eventually
• 2449[13:47:02] <SynrG> jelly: but DoctorD90 is vague about the tools used ...
• 2450[13:47:12] <SynrG> as i said, with live-build, this is easy.
• 2451[13:47:16] <DoctorD90> SynrG, jelly but when I install ..."hexchat" for example, it will download multiple architecture? and at boot of live cd, it will use the rigth one?
• 2452[13:47:17] <SynrG> i don't know why DoctorD90 doesn't just use that.
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• 2454[13:47:29] <quantomworks> swapspace +vmware it is then
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• 2456[13:47:35] <DoctorD90> because I have tried it, and I dont like it very much :P
• 2457[13:47:39] <quantomworks> ty jelly and unborn
• 2458[13:47:40] <SynrG> DoctorD90: i think you're making things needlessly complicated, and making it hard for the helpers here by not sharing enough context.
• 2459[13:48:00] <jelly> !goal
• 2460[13:48:00] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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• 2462[13:48:10] <SynrG> DoctorD90: if you could be more specific about its failings (on #debian-live @ irc.oftc.net please) then i can help.
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• 2466[13:49:20] <SynrG> DoctorD90: i don't understand why you think multiple architectures will be downloaded for hexchat when you're inside the chroot.
• 2467[13:49:30] <SynrG> DoctorD90: the architecture of the chroot determines what architecture gets downloaded.
• 2468[13:49:36] <SynrG> DoctorD90: not the architecture of the build host.
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• 2470[13:50:22] <SynrG> DoctorD90: if you have a specific problem where you think the wrong arch was downloaded, please explain exactly what you were trying to do, what commands you typed to do it, and what the output was (and how it differs from your expectation)
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• 2472[13:50:35] <SynrG> DoctorD90: you really *must* be clear when seeking help here, or else you waste our time
• 2473[13:50:53] <DoctorD90> uhm...I would like to create a custom debian image. I started from a chroot enviorenment, And I can create an easy live cd. But I have tried only with 1 kernel. So now i'd like to know if it is possible install multiple arch on the same live cd. Instead to use 2 iso/image/usb, 1 for 86 pc, and 1 for 64 pc, May I puts all in 1 only iso? and choose the kernel at boot?
• 2474[13:51:18] <SynrG> DoctorD90: you are confusing "kernel flavour" with "architecture"
• 2475[13:51:21] <DoctorD90> sorry SynrG you have rigth. Now I think i was as clear as possible
• 2476[13:51:31] <DoctorD90> ah...why?
• 2477[13:51:40] <SynrG> DoctorD90: you can have an i386 architecture Debian system and have an amd64 kernel
• 2478[13:52:02] <SynrG> DoctorD90: you can have 586 or 686-pae kernels, too
• 2479[13:52:07] <DoctorD90> ?? 0o ..yea..so im confusing about this...where may I read something about that?
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• 2483[13:52:38] <DoctorD90> I just know that 64bit processor can run 32 system, and 32bit programs. not the viceversa.
• 2484[13:52:43] <SynrG> right
• 2485[13:52:55] <SynrG> so you cannot make a live image with amd64 architecture that will have a 32-bit kernel
• 2486[13:52:58] <SynrG> it simply won't work
• 2487[13:53:25] <SynrG> but you *can* make an i386 architecture live image that has several different kernels
• 2488[13:53:31] <SynrG> they are just installed as normal
• 2489[13:53:53] <SynrG> so long as your boot manager is configured properly, the user will be able to select the one they want at boot time.
• 2490[13:54:08] <DoctorD90> yea...this is my target...
• 2491[13:54:09] <SynrG> however, that doesn't make the whole system amd64 (if, e.g., they selected amd64 at boot) but *only* the kernel
• 2492[13:54:19] <SynrG> all of the rest of userspace is still i386
• 2493[13:54:34] <unborn> elliot007: silence is golden egg.. you know that right? :)
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• 2496[13:54:52] <SynrG> if you wanted all of user space to be either i386 or amd64, you would have to install two systems on the same media and configure your boot manager to boot into one or the other.
• 2497[13:55:01] <DoctorD90> yea...im aiming to this...ALL as the rigth system...kernel 64? programs run 64bit. Kernel 32? progras 32
• 2498[13:55:03] <elliot007> unborn: :)
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• 2500[13:55:25] <SynrG> DoctorD90: that's two different systems. you can't make a single debian system that does that.
• 2501[13:55:43] <SynrG> DoctorD90: while Debian has multiarch support, it's incomplete. you can't have *everything* on both architectures on the same system.
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• 2503[13:56:16] <jelly> debian does have a two-arch _installer_ image, but it's a huge hack
• 2504[13:56:22] <SynrG> yep
• 2505[13:56:33] <DoctorD90> so it isnt as simple as install both kernel and install both version for each program?
• 2506[13:56:50] <jelly> nope, not yet
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• 2508[13:57:01] <elliot007> DoctorD90: you can dualboot with both distros debian and one with 32bit other with 64
• 2509[13:57:07] <SynrG> DoctorD90: nope. you'll find that many things are not co-installable.
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• 2512[13:57:31] <SynrG> DoctorD90: that is, as soon as you install a non-co-installable thing from one arch, you cannot have the other arch installed at the same time.
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• 2515[13:57:48] <SynrG> DoctorD90: it will conflict.
• 2516[13:57:59] <SynrG> !multiarch
• 2517[13:58:00] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
• 2518[13:58:07] <SynrG> DoctorD90: ^^ this goes into it in more detail
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• 2524[13:58:46] <DoctorD90> it is much easier to build 2 different iso? ok. And talking about normal livecd boot time. I see 586 and 686. How may I get that one? just editing my grub menu?
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• 2526[13:59:30] <SynrG> yes, building two different ISOs is the easiest way forward.
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• 2529[13:59:43] <DoctorD90> nono, I understood my fail. When I talked about "arch" I would mean entire system, not only kernel or only userspace(=programs rigth?)
• 2530[13:59:44] <SynrG> also, live-build makes it easy to do two different architecture ISOs from the same config
• 2531[14:00:02] <SynrG> it's just changing a single variable in your auto/config
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• 2533[14:00:40] <SynrG> as for different kernel flavours, yes, it's just a matter of having both installed in your chroot, and having your grub menu have entries for both.
• 2534[14:00:49] <DoctorD90> yea I remember, but im enjoying "learning" (too) starting from only line-by-line creation starting from a choot env ^_^
• 2535[14:00:51] <SynrG> generally, update-grub should be able to figure it out and automatically generate the menu for you
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• 2539[14:01:42] <DoctorD90> how manage kernel flavours? when I apt-cache search for kernel, it just showes me 686 or 386 if i remmeber well
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• 2541[14:02:06] <SynrG> DoctorD90: it depends on what Debian release you're on.
• 2542[14:02:13] <SynrG> and also what architecture you're on
• 2543[14:02:26] <DoctorD90> at the moment, from my normal installed debian 8
• 2544[14:02:28] <SynrG> what is the architecture and release of the chroot of the live system you're preparing?
• 2545[14:02:28] <DoctorD90> amd64
• 2546[14:02:38] <SynrG> the arch of your build system is irrelevant
• 2547[14:02:52] <SynrG> enter the chroot and do your apt-cache search in there.
• 2548[14:02:55] <DoctorD90> i always create a 686-pae, linux-header and linux-image
• 2549[14:03:10] <DoctorD90> ah ok.
• 2550[14:03:20] <SynrG> amd64 architecture system *cannot* have a 32-bit kernel as i said before
• 2551[14:03:22] <DoctorD90> to looking package to install I use my installed one
• 2552[14:03:29] <SynrG> that's why apt-cache search turns up nothing
• 2553[14:03:34] <SynrG> (except maybe uml?)
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• 2555[14:03:47] <DoctorD90> yea, but I thougth that apt-cache showes them at least :)
• 2556[14:04:26] <DoctorD90> so a better idea should be search from site, if (like now) I havent my hdd with chroot folder.
• 2557[14:04:57] <SynrG> DoctorD90: i think that's so you can run those inside a hypervisor or so
• 2558[14:05:08] <DoctorD90> hypervisor?
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• 2560[14:05:16] <SynrG> xen or so
• 2561[14:05:25] <DoctorD90> xen? XD what is it? sorry
• 2562[14:05:45] <SynrG> do we really have to get into this? i just mean that the host system's kernel for amd64 must be amd64.
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• 2564[14:06:06] <SynrG> but there are ways to have a host system run other systems inside it (i.e. via a hypervisor) but that's not the "system kernel"
• 2565[14:06:30] <SynrG> this explains why apt can find these other kernels that cannot be system kernels
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• 2567[14:07:04] <SynrG> annnyway, yes, use packages.debian.org to search *within the target architecture*
• 2568[14:07:20] <SynrG> don't rely on apt-cache search within your build system, because it's not the same
• 2569[14:07:20] <DoctorD90> ah! nono, I dont know hypervisor meaning like for xen. I read about chroot, so I know I cant do "cross-building"...I can start on my pc, but then I have to ocntinue on the machine with rigth hardwre
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• 2576[14:09:04] <DoctorD90> on debian site I find out: Package kernel-image-3.16.0-4-586-di (i386) and Package kernel-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae-di (i386). So I can install them both and choose which one run at boot. Rigth?
• 2577[14:09:15] <DoctorD90> this would be a kernel flavour?
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• 2579[14:09:46] <unborn> freaking radio does not work meh
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• 2589[14:13:31] <SynrG> DoctorD90: why would you install -di kernels? these are only for debian-installer
• 2590[14:14:04] <DoctorD90> I dont know :P I just search for kernels
• 2591[14:14:15] <DoctorD90> replaced-url
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• 2594[14:14:22] <choice> Hello! Does anybody here have a machine that supports EFI? How does "ls /boot/efi" look like on your machine?
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• 2598[14:14:44] <SynrG> DoctorD90: you want linux-image, not 'kernel'
• 2599[14:14:55] <DoctorD90> oh....rigth. My fault.
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• 2602[14:15:18] <DoctorD90> is rigth to install also linux-headers?
• 2603[14:15:28] <SynrG> DoctorD90: also "limit to an architecture" in your search
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• 2605[14:15:34] <SynrG> for i386 (or whichever arch you're building)
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• 2611[14:16:26] <DoctorD90> it is there also an amd64 ?? run amd64 on a i386?
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• 2613[14:17:55] <xenomorph_xx_121> Hi, im running stretch/sid and getting a delay on boot, it prints 'Starting Modem Manager' for maybe 10 seconds, then it waits for 90 seconds on 'Waiting for a start job for Network Manager' (or something like that, im not sure how to get the actual message out of systemd). Can someone help me to figure this out? Even if its trying to connect to wifi it shouldnt take that long, and regardless i'd rather it launch gnome right awa
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• 2616[14:18:36] <SynrG> DoctorD90: correct. the benefit of having an amd64 kernel on an i386 architecture system is you can run some multiarch things (but remember, not *all* multiarch)
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• 2618[14:18:55] <SynrG> only the ones that don't conflict
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• 2623[14:19:53] <DoctorD90> so if I have an 64bit processor, I can run amd64 kernel(i386) but using program at 32bit, instead of using 686-pae kernel?
• 2624[14:19:55] <SynrG> xenomorph_xx_121: you may find better help on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net, which supports testing and unstable systems
• 2625[14:20:07] <xenomorph_xx_121> SynrG: thanks!
• 2626[14:20:25] <SynrG> DoctorD90: correct.
• 2627[14:20:34] <xenomorph_xx_121> SynrG: it wont let me join, says i need an invitation
• 2628[14:20:45] <choice> Am I correct that to restore the boot process /boot was destroyed completely, the steps are like this? 1) update-initramfs -c 2) grub-install /dev/sda 3) update-grub
• 2629[14:20:46] <SynrG> xenomorph_xx_121: you missed the @ irc.oftc.net part
• 2630[14:20:53] <SynrG> xenomorph_xx_121: i.e. not on this network (freenode)
• 2631[14:20:58] <xenomorph_xx_121> SynrG: ah so i did. thanks
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• 2633[14:21:24] <DoctorD90> oh...great...so Id may accomplish to get a *multiarch* system...so instead to be limited at 686pae, I may use a *complete* amd64 support....uhm.... SynrG jelly thx as always!
• 2634[14:21:43] <quantomworks> my system is CRAWLING
• 2635[14:22:22] <SynrG> DoctorD90: i have never done a multiarch live system before, but yes, in theory, that works :) except for the "complete" part. like i said, not everything is coinstallable on such a system
• 2636[14:23:01] <SynrG> DoctorD90: but you could run some key applications as amd64, perhaps. i think this might get a little complex for the user, though
• 2637[14:23:06] <DoctorD90> yea..it just run kernel in 64bit mode, but it runs all programs/OS in 32bit....understood...
• 2638[14:23:22] <DoctorD90> SynrG, next stepes :)
• 2639[14:23:29] <SynrG> because the user would need to know how to start the 64 bit vs. 32 bit versions of the same applications.
• 2640[14:23:57] <DoctorD90> my target now is to run my livecd on uefi system and protected bios...
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• 2642[14:24:24] <SynrG> that's ambitious. debian doesn't support secure boot.
• 2643[14:24:34] <SynrG> you generally need to disable that
• 2644[14:24:47] <DoctorD90> yea...I know :( ..but at least uefi :P
• 2645[14:24:53] <SynrG> uefi is fine, yes.
• 2646[14:25:01] <DoctorD90> I remember that on some pc secure boot isnt editable
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• 2648[14:25:05] <DoctorD90> oh really?
• 2649[14:25:15] <DoctorD90> oh..well...maybe i mis-remeber
• 2650[14:25:23] <SynrG> you can boot a uefi system, but you can't have secure boot debian.
• 2651[14:25:42] <DoctorD90> ah ok, so Im at 50% of my target XD
• 2652[14:25:52] <DoctorD90> uefi support comes by default?
• 2653[14:25:54] <SynrG> and it's a big, *big* task
• 2654[14:26:02] <SynrG> don't expect it to be something you can solve by yourself.
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• 2657[14:26:14] <SynrG> just wait and see. there are hundreds of bugs filed on debian to make it happen.
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• 2659[14:26:28] <DoctorD90> I know about some utilities/tools that convert isos to runnable...but I dont like them
• 2660[14:26:36] <DoctorD90> yea...I know....
• 2661[14:26:36] <SynrG> from what i've seen of the progress to date, stretch will not get secure boot.
• 2662[14:26:46] <unborn> SynrG: what you are on about? are your seeking help or you just post it mess out?
• 2663[14:26:48] <SynrG> maybe in the release after.
• 2664[14:26:49] <DoctorD90> what??? really? ..oh :(
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• 2666[14:27:09] <SynrG> unborn: we're in a discussion in which I'm the helper and DoctorD90 is the helpee.
• 2667[14:27:17] <SynrG> unborn: if you can't be arsed to read the backlog ...
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• 2669[14:27:36] <SynrG> unborn: maybe you just want to ignore this one :)
• 2670[14:27:41] <DoctorD90> helpee? not helped? ...an other thing lernt.
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• 2672[14:27:56] <SynrG> DoctorD90: helpee is not proper english
• 2673[14:27:57] <unborn> SynrG: again what you on about? - I do read the logs same as anyone else here :)
• 2674[14:28:03] <DoctorD90> ah ok.
• 2675[14:28:13] <SynrG> unborn: most recently? this:
• 2676[14:28:27] <SynrG> [09:23:57] <DoctorD90> my target now is to run my livecd on uefi system and protected bios...
• 2677[14:28:30] <DoctorD90> unborn, SynrG was helping me abut kernel srelated stuuf
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• 2679[14:28:56] <SynrG> DoctorD90: but prior to that, helping DoctorD90 understand the concepts behind building a live image (from scratch) with multiple kernel flavours
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• 2683[14:29:04] <unborn> :) sure.. have fun..
• 2684[14:29:10] <DoctorD90> yea thx :D
• 2685[14:30:10] <DoctorD90> SynrG, and linux-headers are intented to compile some stuff from source, rigth?
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• 2690[14:32:13] <SynrG> DoctorD90: kernel modules built from source, mostly
• 2691[14:32:41] <SynrG> DoctorD90: it is not something most users need. maybe if they have some out-of-tree kernel modules, though
• 2692[14:32:43] <DoctorD90> ok, so I do rigth to installl them to. Some times I need them. SynrG many many thx you!
• 2693[14:32:48] <SynrG> ok
• 2694[14:32:54] <SynrG> good luck :)
• 2695[14:32:58] <DoctorD90> one wifi dongle :P
• 2696[14:33:02] <SynrG> ugh
• 2697[14:33:18] <DoctorD90> it gives some error with network manager :P
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• 2699[14:34:18] <DoctorD90> ah...I find out a "bug" with network manager on gnome...I cant find out how disconnect from a network without shut down network card. But If I re-enable it, nm will auto connect it again
• 2700[14:34:43] <DoctorD90> it isnt there a "disconnect" button..or at least, I havent seen it
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• 2706[14:37:07] <SynrG> DoctorD90: so far as I can remember, the NetworkManager gnome applet has a left-click menu and for any connected networks, there is a "Disconnect" option.
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• 2711[14:38:33] <DoctorD90> nothing to do :P
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• 2720[14:41:20] <SynrG> DoctorD90: i don't know how it is with NM, but if you don't have a session set up properly, your user may not have been granted the necessary permissions to do things (e.g. shutdown the system and so forth)
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• 2723[14:41:54] <SynrG> DoctorD90: how is the session started? normally starting with lightdm, gdm, etc. will start it properly.
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• 2727[14:42:06] <DoctorD90> nono, sorry. Im speaking on my normal installed system. I installed this one from official live cd netbase :)
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• 2729[14:42:24] <DoctorD90> automatically starts gnome at boot
• 2730[14:42:46] <SynrG> if you have a "minimal" gnome install, it might be missing some options, is what i mean
• 2731[14:42:56] <SynrG> if you did a normal install of gnome, then that option should be there.
• 2732[14:43:11] <hk238> SynrGy I probably have a similar issue, possibly, is there something gnome related that you could download for an example? :d
• 2733[14:43:42] <SynrG> i am really not the one to ask about this. it has been a very long time since i ran gnome :)
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• 2735[14:43:57] <SynrG> all i know is on lxde with lightdm + network-manager-gnome, it "just works"
• 2736[14:44:04] <SynrG> and this is on a Stretch system, not Jessie
• 2737[14:44:28] <SynrG> so maybe someone with a more normal Jessie system could comment :)
• 2738[14:44:40] <hk238> I got that stretch too though I didnt know what it means. But now I know it's one of jessie and stretch
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• 2743[14:45:28] <hk238> hmm speaking of which Im trying to install this `hot corn dog` named extension for gnome shell, it's supposed to allow customizing the ` hot corners ` feature, but it doesnt seem to work
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• 2745[14:45:36] <hk238> anyone know about that kind of thing? :d
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• 2748[14:46:17] <SynrG> hk238: stretch is 'testing' and it is supported on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
• 2749[14:46:33] <hk238> oh.. oops
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• 2754[14:47:05] <DoctorD90> hehe...lxde? hehe...btw...normal install :) but ok...thx SynrG !!
• 2755[14:47:06] <SynrG> hk238: as for installation of third-party gnome extensions, no, we don't support those ... also, be aware such extensions may need a very specific version of gnome to work.
• 2756[14:47:33] <SynrG> DoctorD90: and not even "pure" lxde :) i don't run pcmanfm, for example. it's on a system with 2G ram
• 2757[14:47:38] <hk238> yeah it does seem pretty buggy and it's not surprising either I guess.. Ah and I thought it was going to be so easy
• 2758[14:47:39] <hk238> :D
• 2759[14:47:49] <DoctorD90> xD
• 2760[14:48:04] <SynrG> hk238: well, when i got tired of tinkering with gnome3 to make it look nice at the office, i switched to cinnamon and am happier
• 2761[14:48:05] <DoctorD90> I would like to run mate...it seems very similar to my loved gnome2...
• 2762[14:48:14] <DoctorD90> and much ligther than gnome3 i think
• 2763[14:48:26] <hk238> it seemed very similar at a glance :o
• 2764[14:48:27] <SynrG> cinnamon is gnome3-ish without all of the frustrating design choices of gnome3
• 2765[14:48:45] <hk238> there is a bunch of frustrating features
• 2766[14:48:51] <hk238> I have to google stuff like `how to show desktop` :D
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• 2770[14:48:57] <SynrG> yes. :p
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• 2772[14:48:59] <hk238> you'd think that wouldn't be an issue
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• 2774[14:49:13] <unborn> hk238: gnome extentions are supported by debian however you are very much well adviced to read about issues on practical gnome version you are going to apply.. just read comment bellow the extension name - however in current stable gnome enviro - just install those who supports it and you will be fine
• 2775[14:49:22] <SynrG> well, they wanted to wean users off the whole desktop paradigm ... because it tended to get cluttered ...
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• 2777[14:49:26] <SynrG> and users would "lose" stuff
• 2778[14:49:26] <unborn> - means you will be okay
• 2779[14:49:55] <SynrG> i think they meant well. but for those of us who were used to (and comfortable with) the old paradigm, it was frustrating
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• 2781[14:50:21] <hk238> I like the desktop, it's fine if people don't want to use it, but trying to artificially block it with having.. these obstacles, doesn't seem purposeful :d
• 2782[14:50:34] <SynrG> hk238: i like cinnamon's combo menu/search. a better compromise that handles huge menus without throwing away the old menu paradigm entirely
• 2783[14:50:49] <hk238> like lemme show you one sec
• 2784[14:50:51] <SynrG> hk238: consider also using "whisker" for xfce, which is a similar menu/search
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• 2789[14:52:21] <SynrG> hk238: to qualify what unborn said, debian supports gnome extensions that are in debian. debian does not support third-party gnome extensions. we support the ability to *install* those extensions, but you're on your own if they break
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• 2791[14:52:42] <SynrG> you generally need to seek help from upstream if-and-when that happens
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• 2794[14:53:04] <DoctorD90> 1 time ago, I remember that ubuntu listed all requirement for each *de...know I cant find it more...it would be good according to me, that somewhere would be listed the ram requirement for each *de :)
• 2795[14:53:25] <hk238> yeah i was using xfce before starting to configure gnome and I liked it
• 2796[14:53:30] <Errorrouss> Hello, are debian packages of mysql-server safe in terms of security?
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• 2798[14:53:55] <Errorrouss> What is a policy of security in debian
• 2799[14:54:01] <hk238> it wasn't quite as pleasant aesthetically, but more convenient, I thought I could just configure gnome and get best of both worlds.. it's harder than I thought :D
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• 2803[14:54:45] <hk238> hmm I cant drag a file into the window bar.. any ideas how yuo can send a picture to pasteboard from nautilus? :d
• 2804[14:54:47] <SynrG> !tell Errorrouss about dsa
• 2805[14:54:47] <unborn> Errorrouss: yeah
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• 2807[14:55:21] <hk238> nevremind
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• 2810[14:55:38] <unborn> they are latest Errorrouss however - your server will be secured as much as you do - to secure all holes - what kind of questions you are proposing to deal with??
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• 2813[14:56:16] <SynrG> hk238: between gnome-tweak-tool and dconf-editor, and some third-party extensions, i managed to stay somewhat happy with gnome3 in prior incarnations of it in debian testing ... but since a few years ago, the switch to cinnamon at work and lxde at home makes me happier :)
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• 2816[14:56:34] <Errorrouss> unborn: more or less shall I use in production environment Debian packages of mysql, web server ( apache or nginx ) and then services like Wordpress, or phpBB
• 2817[14:56:37] <SynrG> i'm out. family stuff. later, folks.
• 2818[14:56:46] <hk238> replaced-url
• 2819[14:56:47] <Errorrouss> or install them from sources/gitrepos
• 2820[14:57:05] <unborn> Errorrouss: if you think you will install some package and its secure - sure it is by its own mention - then you fine but on server - deploy some security solution or - die :)
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• 2822[14:57:23] <Errorrouss> unborn: solution like?
• 2823[14:57:30] <Errorrouss> i mean what do you mean :D
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• 2825[14:57:34] <dampie> hi
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• 2829[14:57:59] <dampie> anyone active here?
• 2830[14:58:03] <hk238> I mean it's not perfect or anything, but I cant substitute the functionality all that easily :d
• 2831[14:58:06] <Errorrouss> dampie: a lot of people
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• 2833[14:58:56] <dampie> Errorrouss: awesome, I just came from irc.oftc.net because there wasn't any activity in 30 minutes
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• 2837[14:59:19] <hk238> speaking of which I wonder if the keyboard.. nope right. Is it possible to make the keyboard layout change so that `while you hold winR` the 2nd layout becomes active?
• 2838[14:59:32] <dampie> cound anyone help me fix my resolv.conf being completely emptied every few minutes?
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• 2841[14:59:58] <Errorrouss> dampie: fresh install? Or you updated system?
• 2842[15:00:25] <dampie> Errorrouss: I'm on a pretty old jessie install, been using it for about a year
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• 2844[15:00:51] <Errorrouss> dampie: you ran apt-get upgrade?
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• 2846[15:00:56] <dampie> Errorrouss: I don't usually have this problem but this particular hotspot has been a pain to work with
• 2847[15:01:06] <Errorrouss> ah thats on hotspot
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• 2849[15:01:27] <Errorrouss> dampie: maybe that hotspot its fscked up? :D
• 2850[15:01:32] <dampie> I can always connect to the internet (i.e. ping 8.8.8.8) but not resolve domain names
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• 2852[15:01:48] <dampie> Errorrouss: it probably is! My Android phone still manages to use it though
• 2853[15:01:55] <Errorrouss> dampie: try to set it read only xD
• 2854[15:02:04] <dampie> :')
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• 2856[15:02:41] <dampie> Errorrouss: sudo chmod -r /etc/resolv.conf ? :D
• 2857[15:03:06] <Errorrouss> may be I dont have manual page for chmod in my head xD
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• 2861[15:04:47] <dampie> Errorrouss: I think it might just work (though with -w instead of -r) but would you happen to know how to find out which tool is overwriting resolv.conf?
• 2862[15:05:28] <Errorrouss> There is daemon monitoring what opens files but dont remember name xD
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• 2865[15:05:48] <Errorrouss> It should by also doable from console I think in case of apps
• 2866[15:05:57] <dampie> You mean auditctl?
• 2867[15:07:04] <Errorrouss> i dont remember bro, just check man page if it does what you need then feel free to use it w/o asking me for permission xD
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• 2870[15:08:26] <dampie> Errorrouss: thanks for the help, and the permission to look stuff up without your permission :p
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• 2874[15:09:28] <han-solo> lsof will show which files are opened
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• 2877[15:10:55] <spacemn> or fuser, but I don't think they are useful in this case
• 2878[15:11:18] <dampie> han-solo: thanks, but I think NetworkManager (or whatever's touching my resolv.conf) only opens it for sub-second period, gonna be hard to run lsof at exactly the right time
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• 2880[15:11:54] <dampie> han-solo: same goes for fuser
• 2881[15:12:03] <dampie> I'm gonna try auditd, hope that does the trick
• 2882[15:12:19] <han-solo> you can watch it real time, with watch
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• 2885[15:12:53] <han-solo> well, not for sub-seconds, maybe :)
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• 2889[15:13:52] <Errorrouss> you can always write a kernel module to watch what opens that file and log every access xD
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• 2891[15:14:07] <spacemn> dampie: there are a few packages in debian that modify resolv.conf
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• 2896[15:16:08] <dampie> Errorrouss: I'll look into it once I've worked through Rust, Docker, Vagrant, salt, SELinux, AppArmor, IUP, Debian packaging and nginx!
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• 2899[15:16:56] <Drzacek> Hello
• 2900[15:17:16] <dampie> Drzacek: hi
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• 2903[15:17:35] <spacemn> dampie: have you tried to put a fixed DNS in the NM config?
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• 2906[15:18:13] <Errorrouss> dampie: it would not be long code, you just have to monitor one or maybe 2 or 3 system calls
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• 2909[15:18:26] <Drzacek> So I'm performing debian net install right now, and I'm at the point where I choose software packages to install. Which of the GUIs are smallest (take least place on disk) - GNOME and KDE are no go, since they are huge, but Xfce LXDE MATE Cinnamon? Do I assume correctly, that Qt applications will work on each of them?
• 2910[15:18:26] <afx_> hello ! can anyone recommend a safe to use alternative to dropbox?
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• 2915[15:18:54] <Errorrouss> Drzacek: you are ok with tiling window managers? xD
• 2916[15:18:55] <dampie> spacemn: I tried adding two additional DNS servers via nm-applet and also using DHCP for just addressing (explicitly not for DNS settings)
• 2917[15:19:02] <Errorrouss> Drzacek: you can always choose LXDE
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• 2920[15:19:30] <Errorrouss> Drzacek: if it did not get fat in last few years it shall be quiet small
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• 2923[15:19:46] <dampie> Drzacek: LXDE and XFCE are both quite small, but LXDE is the smallest "full-featured" DE's.
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• 2925[15:19:57] <Drzacek> define full-featured
• 2926[15:20:08] <dampie> Drzacek: Qt, KDE and whatever applications will work with all of them.
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• 2928[15:20:12] <Drzacek> I have 3.7gb flash card for my OS
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• 2930[15:20:22] <Errorrouss> Drzacek: it has calculator, terminal emulator, notepad like program
• 2931[15:20:29] <dampie> Drzacek: LXDE should be fine
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• 2933[15:20:35] <Errorrouss> It's so called Desktop Environment
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• 2936[15:21:13] <dampie> Drzacek: it's also really easy to use i3 with one of those DE's, that's what I do (install a DE, install i3, choose i3 as window manager in the login screen and you're set)
• 2937[15:21:24] <Errorrouss> Drzacek: and if you need really small window manager then go fluxbox, or any tiling window manager if you prefer tiling window managers
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• 2939[15:21:57] <dampie> Errorrouss: is fluxbox any smaller/lighter than openbox which comes with LXDE?
• 2940[15:22:07] <Drzacek> tiling?
• 2941[15:22:18] <hexadecimal> replaced-url
• 2942[15:22:36] <Errorrouss> dampie: well it could be but we have to check that. xD
• 2943[15:22:47] <Drzacek> well, I don't really need calculator, notepad etc, it's not gonna be desktop machine, but I guess I can always cherry-pick stuff to remove?
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• 2945[15:23:05] <Errorrouss> Drzacek: then go with fluxbox
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• 2947[15:23:29] <Errorrouss> hexadecimal: its real or gimped? xD
• 2948[15:23:33] <spacemn> dampie: do you have the resolvconf package installed maybe?
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• 2953[15:24:43] <hexadecimal> Half real, mirrored with gimp.
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• 2955[15:24:47] <dampie> spacemn: I don't, at least resolvconf is not a command and doesn't have a man page
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• 2959[15:25:30] <Errorrouss> hexadecimal: xD
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• 2962[15:26:07] <Errorrouss> hexadecimal: which movie is it? Judge Dredd?
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• 2965[15:26:52] <hexadecimal> Errorrouss: demolition man
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• 2970[15:29:18] <dampie> I'm just going to go home and use my own wifi again...
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• 2977[15:30:52] <hexadecimal> How about awesome or i3 dampie?
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• 2979[15:30:58] <spacemn> dampie: resolvconf has a list (from 2005) with probably 20 packages or more that use/used to modify resolv.conf
• 2980[15:31:09] <Errorrouss> hexadecimal: only DWM man, only DWM
• 2981[15:31:16] <Errorrouss> i3 is an overkill
• 2982[15:31:24] <hexadecimal> :p
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• 2997[15:36:25] <Errorrouss> I had somoe moments of hate for Debian, but than I'v tried Arch for few years and not so long time ago I run with problems with packages on Fedora. apt-get FTW
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• 3011[15:41:46] <Errorrouss> WHO ELSE WERE PRODIGAL SON JUST LIKE ME? xD
• 3012[15:42:31] <hexadecimal> ...
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• 3015[15:43:06] <Errorrouss> hexadecimal: just fooling around
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• 3017[15:43:28] <hexadecimal> Errorrouss: #debian-offtopic <- It's fun, you should come.
• 3018[15:43:28] <han-solo> what's sunrpc for?
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• 3020[15:44:02] <spacemn> han-solo: IIRC netfs
• 3021[15:44:02] <han-solo> the port 111?
• 3022[15:44:18] <Errorrouss> remote procedure call
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• 3024[15:44:45] <han-solo> so i shouldn't probably leave it open, right?
• 3025[15:44:47] <Errorrouss> replaced-url
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• 3027[15:45:17] <Errorrouss> han-solo: if ou need to have any procedures to be called on your box
• 3028[15:45:23] <Errorrouss> from outside
• 3029[15:45:36] <han-solo> okay
• 3030[15:45:43] <Strykar> I've set "AllowOverride All" in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and restarted but Apache won't ask for a password and still serves the directory. Is there someplace else I need to edit to enable .htaccess? users and htpasswd file are created
• 3031[15:45:45] <han-solo> i don't need that for now
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• 3033[15:45:56] <Errorrouss> han-solo: making iptables rules?
• 3034[15:46:13] <han-solo> nah, i just run a scan and found 2 open ports
• 3035[15:46:22] <han-solo> which is weird, since i didn't specify any
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• 3037[15:47:00] <Errorrouss> han-solo: they are avaible from outside or just at loopback?
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• 3039[15:47:35] <han-solo> i checked the inet address
• 3040[15:47:39] <han-solo> ppp0
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• 3042[15:48:20] <Strykar> argh, apparently I can't spell htacess :(
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• 3048[15:49:23] <han-solo> nc is a very handy tool, i must say
• 3049[15:49:39] <Errorrouss> ya
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• 3057[15:53:38] <garyserj> Strykar: it's worth spelling something correctly at least when you say you can't spell it right, otherwise it's not surprising you spell it wrongly all the time, you actually intentionally practise spelling it wrongly
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• 3066[15:57:53] <Ansem> so if #debian-next is invite only, how does one get the invite?
• 3067[15:58:12] <babilen> You don't, the channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) and not on this network
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• 3070[15:58:44] <Shentino> lmao
• 3071[15:58:45] <Ansem> oh
• 3072[15:58:48] <Ansem> lel'd ok
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• 3076[15:58:59] <babilen> See you there :)
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• 3080[16:00:53] <maxcell_> what is debian next
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• 3082[16:01:08] <maxcell_> just a channel, or a name of a futureproject
• 3083[16:01:16] <Delf> Is there a way to find out when the current installed Debian version was installed? Logs?
• 3084[16:01:45] <hexadecimal> Delf: uname -a
• 3085[16:01:52] <themill> Delf: /var/log/installer
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• 3087[16:01:59] <Errorrouss> hexadecimal: that just informs when was kernel compiled
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• 3089[16:02:04] <Delf> themill: I just noticed /var/log/installer/syslog :) Thank you
• 3090[16:02:19] <Delf> Asked a question prematurely, my bad
• 3091[16:02:30] <hexadecimal> I totally misread the question
• 3092[16:03:03] <Errorrouss> Delf: ok, then prepare for your meeting with firing squad!
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• 3094[16:03:29] <babilen> Delf: /var/log/installer/syslog would give you information about the first version of Debian you installed and not necessarily the current one (e.g. a box was installed as wheezy, but has since been upgraded to jessie)
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• 3096[16:03:43] <babilen> Delf: But that is probably exactly what you want to know :)
• 3097[16:04:12] <maxcell_> when i create a ssh server, and create RSA keys to access my PC from my Smartphone i need to have RSA Public or Private key on my Phone? To access my PC, where the SSH server is on (deb)
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• 3099[16:04:45] <Errorrouss> maxcell_: provate obviously
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• 3101[16:04:53] <maxcell_> Thank you
• 3102[16:05:06] <babilen> maxcell_: It's just a channel in which we support users of testing and unstable
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• 3106[16:05:57] <maxcell_> babilen, what you mean
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• 3108[16:06:39] <babilen> maxcell_: replaced-url
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• 3112[16:07:24] <maxcell_> babilen, you mean i cant ask about Servers question?
• 3113[16:07:25] <babilen> That explains the way in which new Debian releases are being developed. Some people track unstable or unstable/testing directly and would seek support in #debian-next rather than #debian.
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• 3115[16:07:57] <babilen> maxcell_: You asked "what is debian next"
• 3116[16:08:08] <maxcell_> babilen, oh im sorry babilen
• 3117[16:08:27] <maxcell_> babilen, got it, make sense, they seek support for the next versions
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• 3119[16:09:20] <babilen> exactly
• 3120[16:09:39] <thongLicker> I wanted bare-bones x, so after fresh install of jessie, I did aptitude install xorg fluxbox. But when when I try startx, system kick me back to command line and hangs...
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• 3123[16:10:26] <thongLicker> Are there any extra steps to take to make x work?
• 3124[16:10:47] <maxcell_> thongLicker, sounds like you didnt configure your video card. And, you put fluxbox in your .xinitrc file?
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• 3127[16:11:13] <jusss> I found my debian often shut down when I download somethings, and my storage is mmc, so it's mmc problem?
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• 3129[16:11:35] <jusss> do I need to install some mmc stuff?
• 3130[16:12:35] <jusss> thongLicker: you should check the Xorg.log I think
• 3131[16:12:42] <Errorrouss> jusss: what system log says?
• 3132[16:13:00] <jusss> thongLicker: maybe config /etc/x11/X/xorg.conf
• 3133[16:13:06] <Errorrouss> thongLicker: ya you have to lick a thong
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• 3135[16:13:17] <Errorrouss> xD
• 3136[16:13:17] <thongLicker> maxcell, it used to have gnome on it with empty xorg.conf, so I thought configuration was not needed....
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• 3138[16:13:39] <maxcell_> thongLicker, just delete de xorg.conf file then
• 3139[16:13:45] <maxcell_> thongLicker, i think your problem is .xinitrc
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• 3141[16:14:01] <jusss> Errorrouss: I don't know where I can find the log
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• 3143[16:14:07] <maxcell_> thongLicker, do you have ~/.xinitrc file?
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• 3145[16:14:18] <Errorrouss> jusss: /var/log/messages
• 3146[16:14:28] <thongLicker> maxcell: never had that file
• 3147[16:14:29] <jusss> Errorrouss: ok, I will check it
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• 3150[16:15:16] <maxcell_> thongLicker, the command startx read that file when start the X (xorg)
• 3151[16:15:33] <jusss> thongLicker: just try `Xorg :0 vt1&
• 3152[16:15:47] <jusss> Xorg :0 vt1&
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• 3154[16:15:57] <jusss> twm -display :1&
• 3155[16:16:06] <jusss> :0
• 3156[16:16:07] <Kobaz> arg, so
• 3157[16:16:11] <maxcell_> thongLicker, you gotta copy that file from /etc/skel or something and put in the last line: fluxbox & so when you run "startx" it start de Xorg and Fluxbox right after
• 3158[16:16:18] <Kobaz> grub-install --modules"mdraid1x" /dev/sda
• 3159[16:16:29] <Kobaz> but grub2 is still not detecting md devices
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• 3162[16:17:34] <zykotick9> thongLicker: ahhh, in .xinitrc don't use "fluxbox &" put "exec flubxox" as the last line, so when fluxbox quits - so does xorg.
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• 3164[16:17:53] <maxcell_> jusss, Xorg :0 vt1&, why vt1 in the end of the command? what that means
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• 3167[16:18:15] <thongLicker> zykotick9, thanks!
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• 3169[16:18:30] <maxcell_> thongLicker, he is right, exec fluxbox & i forget the exec
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• 3171[16:18:46] <jusss> maxcell_: I forget what it means...
• 3172[16:18:51] <thongLicker> maxcell_, thanks!
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• 3175[16:19:07] <maxcell_> thongLicker, it will work
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• 3177[16:19:44] <maxcell_> jusss, oh sure, i was just curious
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• 3181[16:21:26] <Kobaz> rub a dub grub
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• 3183[16:22:04] <hellyeah> i am using debian jessie
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• 3185[16:22:15] <hellyeah> how can i check i am using nvidia properity or free driver?
• 3186[16:22:21] <Errorrouss> hellyeah: that sounds so wrong xD
• 3187[16:22:40] <hellyeah> Errorrouss: why? :D
• 3188[16:22:52] <Errorrouss> hellyeah: "Im using Jessie"
• 3189[16:22:54] <Errorrouss> xD
• 3190[16:23:08] <thongLicker> hellyeah, if you didn't manually install nvdia driver, you are using the free driver
• 3191[16:23:11] <hellyeah> Errorrouss: lets be jessie's brother. Embrace me :D
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• 3193[16:24:03] <hellyeah> thongLicker: still problem with quad graphic card?
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• 3197[16:24:05] <at_zqp> x-fak: Hi
• 3198[16:24:05] <at_zqp> x-fak: Slm
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• 3200[16:24:16] <zykotick9> hellyeah: you could try "lspci -k | egrep -i 'vga|in use' | grep -i vga -A 1" and see Kernel driver in use
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• 3203[16:24:52] <hellyeah> it uses free driver
• 3204[16:24:57] <hellyeah> novau.
• 3205[16:24:59] <hellyeah> .
• 3206[16:25:31] <Errorrouss> Is novsomething safe enough to not fry graphic card? xD
• 3207[16:25:48] <zykotick9> nouveau
• 3208[16:25:55] <Errorrouss> I remember reading it did fry some cards in the past
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• 3210[16:26:01] <at_zqp> command: Slm
• 3211[16:26:04] <command> !p
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• 3213[16:26:04] <dpkg> methinks p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton
• 3214[16:26:06] <jusss> Errorrouss: I checked /var/log/messages, it don't metion mmc and it seems normal, should I paste it?
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• 3216[16:26:11] <thongLicker> hellyeah, I don't know... my video card is a fanless geforce 210 :)
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• 3220[16:26:32] <hellyeah> last time i checked i could manage to work this card
• 3221[16:26:44] <Errorrouss> jusss: just last 10 lines before system crashed
• 3222[16:26:45] <hellyeah> i guess there is some problems with quad graphic card
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• 3224[16:26:55] <Strykar> garyserj, I was intentionally pointing out the mistake in that spelling. I can see how that could be misconstrued.
• 3225[16:27:28] <jusss> Errorrouss: it suddently doesn't have any response, not power off
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• 3227[16:27:34] <thongLicker> I know noveau+cinammon desktop is a disaster
• 3228[16:27:50] <Errorrouss> jusss: ITS ALIVE!
• 3229[16:27:57] <Errorrouss> It dont want you to debug it!
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• 3232[16:28:18] <Errorrouss> It does not share your taste in porn probably so it shuts itself down!
• 3233[16:28:19] <Errorrouss> xDDDD
• 3234[16:28:30] <jusss> Errorrouss: but it doesn't have any response
• 3235[16:28:50] <jusss> click, keyboard, nothing
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• 3237[16:29:15] <Errorrouss> jssjr: so its dead I assume and shuting down was just a prelude for death
• 3238[16:29:31] <Errorrouss> R.I.P. in pepperoni
• 3239[16:29:47] <jusss> Errorrouss: that situation how I should solve?
• 3240[16:29:54] <hk238> hmm so what about gnustep, any arguments for trying that out?
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• 3243[16:30:19] <Errorrouss> jusss:contact vendor whewre ou bought it?
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• 3247[16:31:16] <jusss> Errorrouss: actually it's not pre-install debian... and I don't think they want give me an answer...
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• 3249[16:31:30] <thongLicker> gnustep don't play nicely with some full screen-ed applications
• 3250[16:31:50] <Errorrouss> jusss: otherwise I assume my necromancy skill are not strong enought to call the soul of your machine back to this dimension, sorry
• 3251[16:32:09] <hk238> trying to decide which DE to start using
• 3252[16:32:11] <jusss> Errorrouss: what do you do when you have this case?
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• 3254[16:32:45] <thongLicker> I don't like DEs. It gets in my way.
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• 3256[16:32:59] <thongLicker> Every single one of them.
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• 3258[16:33:02] <Errorrouss> jusss: moment its not powering on or it hunged?
• 3259[16:33:09] <remote> procedure call
• 3260[16:33:29] <hk238> yay for the layout working :d
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• 3262[16:33:39] <Errorrouss> remote: turn on muh TV
• 3263[16:34:11] <jusss> Errorrouss: it's powering on, not off
• 3264[16:34:15] <Errorrouss> xD
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• 3266[16:34:29] <Errorrouss> jusss: you can shut it from command line?
• 3267[16:34:41] <jusss> Errorrouss: of course not
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• 3270[16:35:07] <jusss> it doesn't respon anything
• 3271[16:35:07] <Errorrouss> then take battery off or unplu it. lol
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• 3273[16:36:04] <jusss> so it doesn't have a log?
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• 3275[16:36:29] <Errorrouss> jusss: dont know im not such advanced in clarivoyance
• 3276[16:36:55] <Errorrouss> you have to check it to know if it has
• 3277[16:37:03] <Errorrouss> what's that machine again?
• 3278[16:37:11] <Errorrouss> some SOC?
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• 3280[16:37:37] <jusss> Errorrouss: it's a tablet...
• 3281[16:37:48] <Errorrouss> jusss: ok, so it is SoC indeed
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• 3283[16:37:51] <jusss> and what's SOC?
• 3284[16:37:53] <Errorrouss> ARM I assume
• 3285[16:37:59] <Errorrouss> System on a chip
• 3286[16:38:07] <jusss> No, it's x86
• 3287[16:38:13] <Errorrouss> xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
• 3288[16:38:17] <thongLicker> jusss, it's basically crappy little computer
• 3289[16:38:19] <jusss> intel baytrail z3735f
• 3290[16:38:31] <Errorrouss> >x86
• 3291[16:38:32] <Errorrouss> >tablet
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• 3293[16:38:54] <Errorrouss> Engineers are not stoping to amaze me these days
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• 3295[16:39:15] <jusss> it pre-installed Win10 and Android
• 3296[16:39:28] <thongLicker> compared to Arm chips, it's a power hog.
• 3297[16:39:30] <jusss> and I installed jessie on it
• 3298[16:39:49] <mu--> I removed lightdm and decided to use gdm instead. Now when I run vncserver I get xauth: timeout in locking authority file /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-mugatu-ZiUF63/database
• 3299[16:40:08] <Errorrouss> jusss: i guess that yur chip is not that good supported by kernel
• 3300[16:40:09] <jusss> actually it just has some drivers issues, and others are fine
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• 3302[16:40:42] <Errorrouss> jusss: so then how would you explain it's behaviour? xD
• 3303[16:41:02] <jusss> Errorrouss: yes, its clocksource is unstable even I set it to tsc
• 3304[16:41:26] <Errorrouss> For me it is or borked on hardware level or on level of Linux kernel/driver
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• 3306[16:42:07] <jusss> ;)
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• 3308[16:42:35] <thongLicker> jusss, I wouldn't run debian on any tablets. When it comes to power management, it kinda sucks.
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• 3312[16:43:07] <jusss> thongLicker: yes, it always has acpi problems
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• 3315[16:43:32] <jusss> and sound cards, and blueteeth issue
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• 3317[16:44:09] <thongLicker> and wifi
• 3318[16:44:32] <jusss> others are fine, hold a debian tablet and walk, its kinda cool I think
• 3319[16:45:03] <jusss> thongLicker: wifi problem is solved, and touch screen driver too
• 3320[16:45:12] <Errorrouss> jusss: its even cooler when its arm tablet xD
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• 3325[16:45:47] <jusss> Errorrouss: yes, that chroot way can do it
• 3326[16:46:29] <jusss> Errorrouss: linux distro work on android kernel
• 3327[16:47:35] <jusss> it always been driver problems
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• 3369[17:02:46] <jusss> I use gpasswd add users into sudo group, and why they still can't use sudo?
• 3370[17:03:08] <jusss> gpasswd -a john sudo
• 3371[17:03:25] <jelly> jusss: user needs to log off and back on
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• 3376[17:06:40] <jusss> jelly: yes, you're right, I forgot that
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• 3379[17:07:33] <berkay> anyone knows why jwhois is not available for jessie?
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• 3381[17:08:35] <jusss> jelly: how I can know all user's name and all group's name?
• 3382[17:08:52] <themill> berkay: it has licensing problems (#708956)
• 3383[17:08:58] <jelly> berkay: no, but check the bugs open against it replaced-url
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• 3396[17:15:26] <atralheaven1> Hi
• 3397[17:16:53] <atralheaven1> I've used both debian and ubuntu, both are great, but I want to know, which debian repo (stable, unstable, etc) is equal to ubuntu in stability and being up to date? thanks
• 3398[17:17:18] <mtn> atralheaven1: stability and up to date do not go together ;)
• 3399[17:17:29] <mtn> atralheaven1: you can have one or the other
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• 3402[17:18:03] <themill> also, if you have to ask, stick with stable.
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• 3404[17:18:16] <berkay> themill: seen that, but can't really understand how is it available for wheezy, and let alone wheezy, sid; if there are licensing problems?
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• 3407[17:18:51] <themill> berkay: the licence was ignored for wheezy; it's not in jessie or stretch
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• 3409[17:19:36] <atralheaven1> mtn: with ubuntu there is a balance, I want to know which debian repo is like that
• 3410[17:19:44] <mtn> atralheaven1: none
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• 3412[17:20:15] <mtn> atralheaven1: ubuntu = not stable and not up to date :P
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• 3419[17:21:19] <zykotick9> atralheaven1: note, "stable" might mean something different to debian-people then you're accustomed to. "stable" in debian-lingo means non-changing.
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• 3421[17:21:24] <atralheaven1> mtn: so its like use old software or have a unstable os?! my only problem with debian stable is just that softwares are toooo old! I have it on my server but for desktop... ?
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• 3423[17:21:51] <atralheaven1> by stable I just mean not breaking my system! :D
• 3424[17:21:51] <mtn> atralheaven1: do you know about backports?
• 3425[17:22:04] <atralheaven1> mtn: not actually
• 3426[17:22:09] <atralheaven1> no, I mean
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• 3428[17:22:16] <mtn> atralheaven1: take a look ;)
• 3429[17:22:27] <themill> atralheaven1: instead of saying "too old!1!eleven!" perhaps actually say what is wrong.
• 3430[17:22:32] <jelly> atralheaven1: do you have any particular software in mind?
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• 3444[17:25:57] <atralheaven1> jelly: everyday softwares like firefox, python stuff, I don't remember well, you know when I was using debian stable sometimes I had the problem that I needed a newer version of something (I don't remember what were they) but debian repos had older versions.
• 3445[17:26:28] <atralheaven1> jelly: I also read that the unstabe repo is not really unstable, its fine, but im not sure
• 3446[17:26:35] <zykotick9> parents, talk to your kids about <sns>
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• 3450[17:27:31] <themill> atralheaven1: if you can actually tell the difference between firefox 45 and 48 then you're doing well.
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• 3459[17:30:41] <babilen> atralheaven1: Keep in mind that "unstable" in Debian simply refers to "changing" and "stable" to "not changing" in the context of Debian. Both terms have very little to do with "working" or "bug free"
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• 3461[17:30:56] <jelly> atralheaven1: firefox maintainers now keep a reasonably trusted build of "release" branch of firefox if your workflow fails with firefox-esr
• 3462[17:31:11] <zykotick9> babilen: i'd say there is a relation there... ymmv...
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• 3464[17:31:44] <babilen> zykotick9: Sure, nobody would intentionally release a broken/buggy version as stable nor try to continuously break unstable
• 3465[17:31:56] * jelly gives zykotick9 an unchanging and broken youtube-dl, or clamav
• 3466[17:32:02] <babilen> :)
• 3467[17:32:25] <zykotick9> jelly: ya, youtube-dl is an issue i've run into using stable - so i hear ya.
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• 3470[17:33:07] <zykotick9> ^ some packages just aren't ideal for a "stable" release...
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• 3474[17:33:40] <syt0> can i upgrade to testing on a 2.6.32 kernel?
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• 3476[17:33:52] <appas> the only way to keep eg. youtube-dl as up-to-date as necessary is to grab it from the source repo
• 3477[17:34:02] <jelly> syt0: not likely, which release are you upgrading _from_?
• 3478[17:34:28] <syt0> the latest
• 3479[17:34:35] <jelly> syt0: which is...?
• 3480[17:34:40] <syt0> 8.5?
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• 3482[17:34:47] <babilen> That's not the kernel in 8.5
• 3483[17:34:55] <babilen> OpenVZ?
• 3484[17:34:58] <atralheaven1> mtn: btw if I understood it right, back porting seems what debian does, just patching the security issues solved in newer versions without upgrading to that new version, yes?
• 3485[17:34:59] <syt0> yes
• 3486[17:35:18] <jelly> syt0: you can't run the default debian 8.5 on a 2.6.32 kernel, your provider made some changes to make it work
• 3487[17:35:32] <mtn> atralheaven1: no. backports are newer versions of packages, backported to the stable repo
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• 3490[17:35:55] <jelly> syt0: we don't exactly know WHICH changes they made, so we can't tell you whether those would break on a jessie->stretch release upgrade
• 3491[17:36:16] <atralheaven1> mtn: like using new versions but still being in stable repo?
• 3492[17:36:21] <mtn> atralheaven1: actually go to google and type: debian backports. read the webpage
• 3493[17:36:27] <mtn> atralheaven1: yes
• 3494[17:36:29] <jelly> appas: there's actually a usable build in jessie-backports now.
• 3495[17:36:38] <jelly> ,v youtube-dl
• 3496[17:36:39] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2016.06.25-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2016.06.25-2; sid: 2016.06.25-2
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• 3498[17:36:55] <syt0> jelly: ok, so is there a way to get the latest packages some how?
• 3499[17:37:00] <atralheaven1> mtn: I just googled backport :D
• 3500[17:37:09] <atralheaven1> mtn: wont that cause issues?
• 3501[17:37:17] <syt0> jelly: with out upgrading the whole thing
• 3502[17:37:20] <mtn> atralheaven1: no, that is why it is there.
• 3503[17:37:28] <jelly> syt0: dunno, which packages?
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• 3505[17:37:42] <mtn> atralheaven1: safe way to have newer software
• 3506[17:37:43] <iKarith> syt0: Do you have jessie-backports in your sources.list?
• 3507[17:37:57] <syt0> no i don't
• 3508[17:38:08] <iKarith> syt0: Add that. It's relatively safe.
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• 3512[17:38:22] <jelly> !jessie-backports
• 3513[17:38:22] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
• 3514[17:38:36] <jelly> !bdo
• 3515[17:38:36] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 3518[17:39:14] <iKarith> You won't get very big major infrastructure changes, but you might see new kernels and new standalone apps that are kinda big get there.
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• 3520[17:39:35] <atralheaven1> iKarith: actually I don't have debian now, but im going to buy an SSD, I thought of installing debian.
• 3521[17:39:36] <iKarith> For example, if you want new XFCE, it ain't there. But if you want new firefox-esr, it would be.
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• 3526[17:41:10] <atralheaven1> iKarith: that seems nice!
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• 3528[17:41:25] <iKarith> atralheaven1: Waaaaaaaay back in 1997 I decided to install Linux. I was a MAN so I got Slackware from CheapBytes. Disc was broken, didn't install right. CheapBytes problem I believe--they also had some Debian issues in those daze. Then I got RedHat because I was so desperate to try SOMETHING that would work. It didn't install either because it depended on XFree86 and that was not automatic on my hardware
• 3529[17:41:27] <iKarith> and I'm legally blind.
• 3530[17:41:41] * iKarith might be better historically known...
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• 3533[17:42:07] <knghtbrd> Of fortune file infamy. :P
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• 3538[17:43:08] <Bubba> Hello! Is it possible with debian to have a list of the files that are currently being written to the disk by any program/user?
• 3539[17:43:20] <iKarith> aaanyway, I couldn't get Slackware or RedHat working.. So someone suggested Debian and CheapBytes' (current) Debian CDs weren't broken. The install was console-only. But it was bo in the late stage development of hamm.
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• 3541[17:43:43] <madprops> Are there command line linux proxy services that can change the IP every certain time?
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• 3543[17:43:44] <syt0> Thakns jelly iKarith, you were really helpful
• 3544[17:44:11] <iKarith> 48 hours later, thanks to people you'll never actually encounter anymore--netgod, joeyh, others, I was not only running hamm, but documenting the process of successfully doing the libc5 -> glibc2 upgrade, which is not trivial.
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• 3550[17:44:56] <iKarith> We didn't have apt in those daze. It was dpkg -iGEORB and dselect. (Or dpkg -BORGiE)
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• 3555[17:46:17] <mtn> iKarith: and you walked through snow uphill to school both ways
• 3556[17:46:21] <mtn> iKarith: ah, the good old days
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• 3558[17:46:31] <iKarith> I've used Ubuntu, Gentoo, Arch, Red Hat, several editions of Windows, every edition of Mac OS since 10.2.6 (and 9.2.1)... You could do a LOT worse than Debian.
• 3559[17:47:00] <iKarith> mtn: with a white cane, and a couple of concealed knives. (It was an interesting childhood.)
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• 3561[17:47:19] <hk238> :d
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• 3563[17:47:35] <sauna> Hey, I am stuck with installing Nvidia drivers. I blacklisted nouveaue drivers and installed nvidia drivers. Now blackscreen and black screen on every virtual terminal, what to do ?
• 3564[17:47:58] <sauna> basically I can only run Live versions from usb on that PC
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• 3567[17:48:41] <hk238> so I have no sound, I'm not sure where to start to troubleshoot that, except google which I kind of tried, anyone got any obvious things to do first type suggestions?
• 3568[17:48:42] <iKarith> My fiancee points out that I live in Oregon. The schools all close if there's a powdered sugar dusting of snow.
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• 3573[17:49:03] <mtn> hk238: always start with pavucontrol
• 3574[17:49:17] <atralheaven1> iKarith: I met linux first with ubuntu 8.10 CD, I was 13 I think, I had alot of problems to setup a dialup internet connection (with max speed 3kb/s), but finally I solved it! I think after dealing with these problems in linux (specially on arch!) my mind has learned that there is always a way to solve problems
• 3575[17:50:08] <iKarith> Cool, gotta start somewhere
• 3576[17:50:32] <iKarith> (And I've gotta clean up after tacos for breakfast. The nice advantage of adulting is if you want tacos, dammit, you have tacos.)
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• 3578[17:51:21] <Thingamajig> was an Ubuntu user here also. Or at least was. Started getting sick of some of the stupid bugs. I reckon it was rather ruined once they moved it to Unity for the desk environment.
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• 3580[17:52:30] <Thingamajig> Sauna: Never had to install nvidia drivers so I'll give it a crack (AMD on my side) not able to boot into any Kernel shell at all?
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• 3582[17:52:57] <sauna> exactly
• 3583[17:53:54] <sauna> tthink i crashed the system because didnt run nvidia-xconfig
• 3584[17:54:41] <Thingamajig> Hmmmm out of curiosity with your live CD (or even without) were you able to load the recovery option in GRUB?
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• 3586[17:55:06] <Thingamajig> Also what card?
• 3587[17:55:34] <sauna> nvidia geforce 650M. I ran gparted live, didn't do anything in recovery part I think.
• 3588[17:56:19] <Thingamajig> Try recovery since that allows you to access *SOME* kind of shell to look at it. I think you can even mount and unmount from the live cd also :p
• 3589[17:56:31] <sauna> I also just want to remove these drivers, I now did research and I think I willl stick to nouveau drivers, this pc only for watching movies
• 3590[17:57:01] <hk238> hmm well pavucontrol was already installed ahh im not sure :d
• 3591[17:57:02] <Thingamajig> Honestly graphics drivers and linux can be painful :/ I stuck with the free drivers with AMD and they are considered far worse.
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• 3593[17:57:12] <atralheaven1> lets say I've installed firefox with "apt-get -t jessie-backports install firefox", and there is a new version of firefox now, when I do apt-get update and then upgrade, will that firefox get updated?
• 3594[17:57:12] <sauna> atleast debian docs say that nouveau drivers are fine, no need to worry about proprietary
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• 3596[17:57:59] <Thingamajig> <atralheaven1> Should do I assume you have backports enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list?
• 3597[17:58:21] <atralheaven1> Thingamajig: yes
• 3598[17:58:47] <Thingamajig> <sauna> Shouldn't need proprietary drivers unless you want to play games honestly or if the distro doesn't support in the open drivers yet.
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• 3600[17:59:04] <sauna> Thanks, I will just reinstall OS, will be faster. Have to go now.
• 3601[17:59:14] <atralheaven1> Thingamajig: can I use it without enabling it?!
• 3602[17:59:27] <Thingamajig> <atralheaven1> Checking for you sec :)
• 3603[17:59:46] <atralheaven1> Thingamajig: thanks!
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• 3606[18:00:39] <hk238> any other ideas besides pavucontrol for enabling sound? :d
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• 3608[18:01:19] <Thingamajig> <atralheaven1> Ok so I found this in my searches
• 3609[18:01:20] <mtn> hk238: alsamixer and F6 to choose sound card
• 3610[18:01:25] <kai_w> I can't get glxinfo to work over ssh with the nvidia-driver - just get a BadValue error. I think it used to work, but not 100% sure. Can anybody else try?
• 3611[18:01:26] <Thingamajig> replaced-url
• 3612[18:01:49] <Thingamajig> Also I tend to do the dangerous way of updating things
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• 3614[18:01:58] <Thingamajig> apt-get update
• 3615[18:02:04] <Thingamajig> apt-get dist-upgrade
• 3616[18:02:09] <babilen> hk238: Did you start it (and alsamixer) and unmuted channels/raised volume/selected output sink?
• 3617[18:02:13] <Thingamajig> as far as I can tell it *should* update to the latest :)
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• 3620[18:02:47] <Thingamajig> <atralheaven> what version do you get when running the relevant commands?
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• 3623[18:03:22] <Knaldgas> Hmm, has Debian changed automount concept in Jessie? Had some udev rules before, but they stopped working some weeks ago...
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• 3625[18:03:50] <hk238> hmm alsamixergui from synaptic?
• 3626[18:04:18] <hk238> oh nevermind it works in terminal
• 3627[18:04:30] <hk238> I mean.. let's see
• 3628[18:04:48] <babilen> hk238: Run "speaker-test -twav" to test (from alsa-utils)
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• 3633[18:06:36] <hk238> can't hear anything, what I'm supposed to think of the speaker-test?
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• 3640[18:08:08] <iKarith> Thingamajig: I never really used Gnome 3 for the DE. I always use xubuntu or lubuntu. Ubuntu's LXDE setup is very nice. Their XFCE setup need{s,ed} work. :/
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• 3643[18:09:43] <iKarith> But what has Ubuntu really got over Debian truly? A little more end-user integration most of the time? Don't really need that. Willingness to ship non-free stuff in the installer? I rarely need that, and I know how to work around it when I do.
• 3644[18:09:43] <Thingamajig> <iKarith> I love stock gnome 3. Unity well it's polished now but frankly not as snappy as stock gnome.
• 3645[18:09:53] <idmistir> replaced-url
• 3646[18:10:03] <idmistir> any ideas?
• 3647[18:10:04] <iKarith> I've never used Linux on a system snappy enough to enjoy Gnome 3.
• 3648[18:10:42] <Thingamajig> Oh noes :(. I keep forgetting my system is somewhat insane :/
• 3649[18:11:20] <iKarith> Basically, my current fastest machine is a 2012 iMac, and if I want a polished UI, I'll use that.
• 3650[18:11:24] <mtn> iKarith: gnome has been fine on every machine I have tried it on ;)
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• 3652[18:12:03] <iKarith> I started using Macs in 2003 because I was in school, Office was a must, and I needed to never find out that the document my midterm was in wouldn't open when I sat down to take it.
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• 3655[18:12:34] <Thingamajig> hehe it was even fine on my pentium 4 1gb ram ddr400 system I had. :D
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• 3657[18:13:00] <Thingamajig> that was ubuntu 10.10 I reckon that was it's best release when I used it. Then unity arrived D:
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• 3659[18:13:10] * iKarith is looking to assemble a Pentium II class system. Need one ISA slot.
• 3660[18:13:24] <RoyK> ouch
• 3661[18:13:27] <RoyK> ISA
• 3662[18:13:48] <Thingamajig> :/
• 3663[18:13:53] <iKarith> RoyK: I do a lot of retrocomputing. Some things don't exist as PCI
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• 3666[18:14:21] <RoyK> iKarith: just curious - what doesn't exist as PCI?
• 3667[18:14:44] <Thingamajig> stuff required for retrocomputing... lol I'm kidding of course
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• 3669[18:15:39] * RoyK once built a sound card with a parallel port and a matrix of resistors before sound cards were easily available
• 3670[18:16:02] <RoyK> must have been back in 1990 or perhaps 1988 or so
• 3671[18:16:06] <iKarith> RoyK: Because PCI didn't exist when the company that made the card stopped making anything like it.
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• 3673[18:16:23] <hk238> :D
• 3674[18:16:28] <RoyK> iKarith: what sort of card is that?
• 3675[18:16:30] <Thingamajig> Jeses that is before my time.
• 3676[18:16:36] <Thingamajig> wow spelling oops
• 3677[18:16:42] <Thingamajig> jesus*
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• 3679[18:17:13] <RoyK> Thingamajig: :)
• 3680[18:17:13] <iKarith> RoyK: Speech synthesis board.
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• 3683[18:17:33] <RoyK> iKarith: hehe - isn't that easier in software nowadays?
• 3684[18:17:51] <iKarith> RoyK: You're talking to a guy who still uses an Apple //c.
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• 3686[18:17:59] <RoyK> iKarith: but retro stuff is still cool, though
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• 3691[18:18:37] <iKarith> Also if it has a second ISA slot, it'll probably get an ISA sound card stuffed into it for the late DOS era games.
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• 3693[18:19:17] <RoyK> the day of the tentacle was re-released recently :)
• 3694[18:19:29] <RoyK> and there's DOSBOX for that sort of things
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• 3702[18:21:07] <RoyK> iKarith: Norsk teknisk museum (replaced-url
• 3703[18:21:11] <hk238> doh :d
• 3704[18:21:13] <iKarith> I emulate a fair bit, but the box I'm typing on right now is an Atom D410 "nettop" that thinks it has an LDVS-connected LCD (it obviously doesn't) and whose "i915" video hardware is almost a doorstop under Linux.
• 3705[18:21:31] <hk238> meanwhile I still havent got sound :D
• 3706[18:21:32] <iKarith> It does run amd64 though. Which was probably a mistake on my part. I should've installed i686 and called it good.
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• 3710[18:22:21] <Thingamajig> hk238: You should make your own sound card like iKarith over here lol
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• 3712[18:22:55] <iKarith> I didn't make the speech board, I'm just using it.
• 3713[18:23:08] <Thingamajig> shhhhhh he doesn't know that XD
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• 3716[18:24:32] <Thingamajig> seriously though hk238: your sound how are you trying to get sound? Just a connected pair of headphones or what? Also you have checked your volume haven't you?
• 3717[18:24:46] <hk238> yea I can't remember exactly
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• 3720[18:25:37] <maxcell_> man... the sound of my headphone on linux is so much better :O
• 3721[18:25:54] <Thingamajig> If you haven't already check your volume
• 3722[18:26:06] <Thingamajig> sounds obvious but I've made that fuckup a few times lol
• 3723[18:26:37] <maxcell_> alsaconf master volume up
• 3724[18:26:42] <Thingamajig> also have you tried the following: replaced-url
• 3725[18:27:03] <Thingamajig> wait are you both using alsa?
• 3726[18:27:27] <maxcell_> im using pulseaudio, my X refuse to work without pulse
• 3727[18:27:31] <hk238> I have an onboard audio thing and a separate card
• 3728[18:27:42] <hk238> the separate card has some issues, or has had some of them
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• 3730[18:28:03] <hk238> on mint, which I had previously, I remember installing some sound control thing, and changing some setting.. like fr omsome drop menu
• 3731[18:28:07] <hk238> and it started working
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• 3733[18:28:15] <iKarith> speaking of installers... The appliance project for Apple II users I work on... We put together a canned Debian image for that which gets used with VirtualBox or (hopefully soon) VMWare. You can install it on a hard drive and boot it under real hardware, but that still requires disk image writers and whatnot. Easy for Linux users. One of the really cool things about the Raspberry Pi though is that it has
• 3734[18:28:17] <iKarith> a nifty installer called NOOBS where you can just unpack an archive on to a FAT32 partition and reboot that to unpack the filesystem, set everything up, and go.
• 3735[18:28:23] <Thingamajig> ok one at a time lol. maxcell what is wrong with yours?
• 3736[18:28:46] <iKarith> Is that something that reasonably could be done for i686/amd64?
• 3737[18:28:51] <Thingamajig> hk238: so no sound from both cards? Or just the dedi card?
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• 3740[18:29:16] <iKarith> Seems like maybe it could be for EFI, but not for BIOS without raw disk access to write the MBR.
• 3741[18:29:17] <maxcell_> lol nothing wrong i was just saying that my headphones have a way better sound in linux dont bother with me, help him
• 3742[18:29:30] <Thingamajig> lol all good
• 3743[18:29:38] <Thingamajig> hk238?
• 3744[18:29:55] <hk238> I havent tried the on board thing
• 3745[18:30:37] <hk238> Sorry I'm not very focused. Or haven't been lately :d
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• 3747[18:31:08] <Thingamajig> cool as I have a feeling that will work straight off the bat. So at least you will have sound for now since mint is based on ubuntu and that has a shit tonne of drivers.. However
• 3748[18:31:33] <Thingamajig> the dedi card may be different. So I assume you are trying to make the dedicated card work?
• 3749[18:32:14] <hk238> yeah
• 3750[18:32:22] <Thingamajig> what card is it?
• 3751[18:32:32] <hk238> asus.. I think it was called xonar
• 3752[18:32:38] <hk238> but if there's multiple models I dont remember which one
• 3753[18:32:42] <maxcell_> *-*
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• 3756[18:33:25] <hk238> it's `xonar DGX`
• 3757[18:33:38] <maxcell_> hk238, can you find your card with this command? "lspci |grep PCI"
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• 3759[18:33:59] <Thingamajig> ^^
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• 3762[18:34:46] <hk238> replaced-url
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• 3765[18:35:18] <Thingamajig> ah using an arock board like me :D
• 3766[18:35:48] <hk238> arock board?
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• 3769[18:35:57] <Thingamajig> motherboard bro lol
• 3770[18:36:13] <hk238> what? :d
• 3771[18:36:14] <Thingamajig> 04:00.0 PCI bridge: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1083/1085 PCIe to PCI Bridge (rev 04)
• 3772[18:36:20] <Thingamajig> ah I see
• 3773[18:36:26] <Thingamajig> erm have you ever built a pc?
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• 3775[18:36:59] <hk238> yeah, but only a couple of times.. I know what a motherboard is too.. is arock a brand? and what do you mean I'm using that too? I'm not aware
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• 3777[18:37:45] <Thingamajig> Yes sorry lol Asrock is a brand of motherboard. I think they are a subsidiary of ASUS just thought it was amusing seeing that there in your lspci | grep PCI command
• 3778[18:38:16] <maxcell_> i was hopping that his sound card will appears in lspci
• 3779[18:38:22] <Thingamajig> yeah it doesn't
• 3780[18:38:47] <maxcell_> what you think about?
• 3781[18:38:55] <maxcell_> why didnt show
• 3782[18:39:08] <Thingamajig> not sure I'm having a search around to see what I can find.
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• 3788[18:39:43] <maxcell_> Thingamajig, and im reading, to learn with you :D
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• 3790[18:40:59] <maxcell_> hk238, type tis Lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio" again
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• 3792[18:42:22] <maxcell_> hk238, lspci -v | grep -i "audio"
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• 3796[18:43:08] <hk238> I'll paste here since it's just 3 lines: 01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation Device 0fbc (rev a1) 05:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio] Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio]
• 3797[18:43:17] <hk238> hm although it's impossible to read this way
• 3798[18:43:27] <maxcell_> itsfine
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• 3800[18:43:38] <hk238> it seems to mention NVIDIA, but.. I dont think that's correct+
• 3801[18:43:42] <Thingamajig> C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio]
• 3802[18:43:44] <Thingamajig> thats the card
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• 3804[18:43:51] <maxcell_> yeah Thin is right
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• 3807[18:44:01] <maxcell_> probably
• 3808[18:44:14] <Thingamajig> also from reading it looks like pulse audio should allow it to work
• 3809[18:44:25] <Thingamajig> replaced-url
• 3810[18:44:35] <Thingamajig> as in setting it up as if...well it wasn't there lol
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• 3812[18:45:03] <hk238> but it seems pulseaudio is already installed? :d
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• 3814[18:45:21] <maxcell_> i think i find the answer
• 3815[18:45:29] <Thingamajig> replaced-url
• 3816[18:45:31] <babilen> Probably just the wrong output selected
• 3817[18:45:33] <babilen> (or muted)
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• 3819[18:45:43] <maxcell_> yes, wrong output for sure
• 3820[18:45:52] <hk238> I tried I changing them, but at least it wasn't anything blatantly obvious
• 3821[18:45:55] <maxcell_> look at this site, replaced-url
• 3822[18:46:35] <Thingamajig> not bad max
• 3823[18:46:43] <hk238> hmm I think I tried the thing mentioned there by coincidence though, but maybe I didnt do it the same way
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• 3825[18:47:33] <maxcell_> Thingamajig, i just did some search to help you with
• 3826[18:47:36] <hk238> oh yeah it does work now....
• 3827[18:47:41] <maxcell_> hk238, really?
• 3828[18:47:43] <maxcell_> lol
• 3829[18:47:43] <hk238> thanks a lot maxcell_ and Thingamajig
• 3830[18:47:44] <hk238> :D
• 3831[18:47:45] <Thingamajig> yay!
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• 3833[18:48:04] <maxcell_> nice
• 3834[18:48:05] <Thingamajig> All good I think maxcell should be getting credit for that one lol.
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• 3836[18:48:11] <hk238> It was on `headphones FP` and had to be on `headphones` to work.. or something like that, coz I was changing the output to multichannel from another menu earlier
• 3837[18:48:25] <Thingamajig> it's always something simple.
• 3838[18:48:37] <hk238> yeah only spent a couple of hours here
• 3839[18:48:38] <hk238> :D
• 3840[18:48:43] <maxcell_> lol
• 3841[18:48:52] <hk238> just randomly trying stuff and rambling along in the channel :d
• 3842[18:49:22] <Thingamajig> well if it's stupid and it works it isn't stupid. :p
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• 3849[18:51:31] <maxcell_> they say linux is simple, i can agree but, its hard to learn, and you always have something to learn
• 3850[18:51:42] <maxcell_> hard to understand
• 3851[18:52:01] <maxcell_> how things works
• 3852[18:52:04] <babilen> Doesn't the same hold true for everything you learn for the first time?
• 3853[18:52:09] <Thingamajig> I'm not so sure. I would say it is more...logical per se than windows.
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• 3855[18:52:14] <maxcell_> true babilen
• 3856[18:52:16] <hk238> :o
• 3857[18:53:09] <hk238> copy paste of the previous desktop seems to take 43 minutes
• 3858[18:53:09] <maxcell_> i think windows have his own distorted logical like, if something doesnt works you reboot and it works magicaly
• 3859[18:53:15] <hk238> D :
• 3860[18:53:45] <hk238> I mean the files on the Mint desktop → Debian Desktop
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• 3863[18:54:10] <Thingamajig> yeah this I can agree with. I mean linux/unix/bsd etc were all built as multi user solid systems to begin with. Windows was a single user ported to multi
• 3864[18:54:13] <hk238> speaking of which I got the keyboard layout working by using mate instead of gnome :o
• 3865[18:54:44] <Thingamajig> how odd. Gnome worked off the bat for me of course I used the US keyboard layout. (default)
• 3866[18:54:54] <hk238> oh I mean I got this custom keyboard layout
• 3867[18:55:04] <hk238> so I have two layouts, and I set it so that when I hold winR
• 3868[18:55:08] <hk238> the 2nd layout is active
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• 3870[18:55:13] <maxcell_> Yeah, windows is a mess but, somehow they make it work in his own distorted way
• 3871[18:55:19] <hk238> so gnome didnt have the option `to hold` but only `toggle`
• 3872[18:55:27] <iKarith> maxcell_: In a way that's true, and in others it isn't. There's just as much to learn about Windows or Mac, but you have a slightly higher barrier of entry to set up some things under Linux, so you have to learn more of it at once.
• 3873[18:55:44] <hk238> like basically greek + some unicode math symbols
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• 3875[18:56:28] <iKarith> I find in particular that you have to learn a fair bit of stuff about Linux to set up sound and printing for example. On other OSes the gory details are pretty well hidden from you. On Linux that's still not really the case.
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• 3877[18:56:52] <hk238> i.e. ₁₂₃₄₅₆₇₈₉₀¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹⁰⁻₋⁺₊ⁱᵢₓˣⱼₖᵉⁿᶿ⁽⁾ ↦→↠ ⊇⊆ δΔ∂∇
• 3878[18:57:07] <iKarith> Printing was made a lot easier years ago when foomatic became a standard thing.
• 3879[18:57:11] <Thingamajig> part of the problems with barrier for entry is more support from hardware vendors I reckon. I mean nvidia is one of the few that actually produces drivers for linux
• 3880[18:57:28] <iKarith> Sound has become more of a cluster rather than less.
• 3881[18:57:43] <Thingamajig> plus the fact it's had more of a server life than desktop it's only been in recent years that desktop has really been a "thing"
• 3882[18:57:49] <iKarith> jackd, pulseaudio, alsa, yuck.
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• 3884[18:58:08] <Thingamajig> I'd say from what I have experienced so far. That pulse works best thus far
• 3885[18:58:25] <iKarith> Pulse works if the underlying devices are properly configured before you install it.
• 3886[18:58:32] <Thingamajig> people really need to stop forking things and fix stuff that already works somewhat so we don't end up with so many solutions lol
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• 3888[18:58:37] <maxcell_> iKarith, you're right. In windows you have like a Wall that hide you the things. Like in registers and other things. Its a mess i dont understand anything.
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• 3890[18:58:52] <iKarith> If they're not, you get no sound and you either need black voodoo to fix it or you need to uninstall pulse and fix it, then reinstall.
• 3891[18:59:04] <Thingamajig> ^^Yep no denying that
• 3892[18:59:18] <iKarith> Most new users do it that way. Hell, I do it that way more often than I bother looking up how to actually do it right, and I know how to do it right.
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• 3894[18:59:30] <iKarith> I just can't often remember exactly how it's done.
• 3895[18:59:35] <Thingamajig> source: Had to do voodoo for graphics in ubuntu for an AMD R9 290
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• 3897[18:59:37] <hk238> so I can do like for an example: ` 𝑒ⁱᵠ = cos(φ) + i sin(φ) ` or ` f: ℕ → ℂ ` :D
• 3898[18:59:45] <Howdy> Hi PPL
• 3899[18:59:50] <Howdy> have a question
• 3900[18:59:52] <hk238> but then it's unicode so it doesnt display correctly for everyone
• 3901[19:00:00] * jelly gives hk238 some latex
• 3902[19:00:03] <Thingamajig> hk238 yeah crazy setup
• 3903[19:00:04] <iKarith> I hate how non-ASCII is typed into Linux (and Windows)
• 3904[19:00:05] <hk238> xd
• 3905[19:00:19] <Howdy> I am running Debian 8 on hypervisor
• 3906[19:00:38] <Howdy> & now trying to run windows 10 as a guest os
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• 3908[19:00:50] <Howdy> but getting the annoying memory error
• 3909[19:00:54] <iKarith> Apple's way is so much nicer for the stuff you actually use often. Of course, usually when I find discussions of Mac and 8 bit characters, it's either how to disable the Mac keyboard features you don't want and how it's done differently on Linux.
• 3910[19:01:24] <jelly> Howdy, what annoying memory error?
• 3911[19:01:37] <Howdy> So I was reading this guide & its telling me to add (dom0-min-mem 1024)
• 3912[19:01:39] <Thingamajig> Yeah I would probably switch to apple if I had the funds...and a job got fired on friday...still don't know why D:
• 3913[19:01:39] <Howdy> (enable-dom0-ballooning no) to my xl.conf
• 3914[19:02:17] <Howdy> its the error that there is not enough memory for guest os to start
• 3915[19:02:19] <Howdy> Jelly:
• 3916[19:02:29] <hk238> :((
• 3917[19:02:30] <jelly> xen as hv?
• 3918[19:02:31] <Thingamajig> Howdy: what hypervisor are you running? Server? Or as desktop?
• 3919[19:03:01] <Howdy> ya let me see its debian 8 with xen tools 4.4
• 3920[19:03:14] <Thingamajig> aiighty guys O
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• 3922[19:03:23] <Howdy> I am following this guide replaced-url
• 3923[19:03:28] <jelly> ,v xen-tools
• 3924[19:03:29] <judd> Package: xen-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.3.1-1; wheezy-backports: 4.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.5-1; sid: 4.6.2-1; stretch: 4.6.2-1
• 3925[19:03:33] <Thingamajig> I am off to bed another day of job hunting for me...and maybe plotting murder to my former employers...lol
• 3926[19:03:45] <Howdy> Best revenge is living well
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• 3931[19:04:38] <maxcell_> Thingamajig, be well bro
• 3932[19:04:44] <Thingamajig> I was being silly/sarcastic. I was dropped without any reason and most of my coworkers were shocked as they thought I was doing well...and I was. I think one of the managers didn't like me much fucking sucks coz I left another bad job for this one which was quite good.
• 3933[19:05:11] <Thingamajig> ah well I'mma sleep now :). Cheers maxcell
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• 3936[19:05:27] <iKarith> I like being able to type &ldquot; and &rdquot; on a Mac simply by pressing modifier keys. I don't (anymore) remember the unicode numbers for these characters, because at least on one OS, and one I use often, I don't need to know.
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• 3938[19:05:43] <nobody44> hey guys. I am about to setup a NAS with RAID 5 based on Debian, but before I do that I wanted to look how RAID works in Debian. So i created a VM on my machine with several 2 GB big virtual harddrives
• 3939[19:06:07] <nobody44> I could create the RAID initially, but now I can not grow it, it just stopped from the get go
• 3940[19:06:26] <nobody44> [>....................] reshape = 0.0% (0/2094592) finish=8435096.5min speed=0K/sec
• 3941[19:06:33] <nobody44> it has been like this for hours....
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• 3943[19:07:24] <Howdy> it was a error about not having enough memory when I was trying to setup a new VM sorry I don't have the exact error
• 3944[19:07:26] <Howdy> xl create windows.cfg
• 3945[19:07:30] <nobody44> may this be because it is a virtual machine and the virtual volumes are from a LVM on the host machine?!
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• 3947[19:07:49] <Howdy> I googled the error & it told me to disable autoblooning
• 3948[19:07:52] <Howdy> which I did
• 3949[19:07:55] <Howdy> in xl.conf file
• 3950[19:08:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1741
• 3951[19:08:14] <Howdy> its also telling me to add (dom0-min-mem 1024)
• 3952[19:08:17] <Howdy> is that safe to do?
• 3953[19:08:30] <Howdy> in xl.conf
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• 3955[19:08:45] <Howdy> I added only this ATM enable-dom0-ballooning no
• 3956[19:08:54] <Howdy> & debian on hypervisor does not boot
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• 3960[19:10:37] <Howdy> atm
• 3961[19:10:59] <Howdy> is 1024 enough ram for debian 8 dom0?
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• 3969[19:14:52] <Howdy> ok doing some reading ...
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• 3985[19:20:57] <consolejazz> Wish to build package on my system. Downloaded tarball to `/usr/local/src`. Found info. about using the checkinstall program as a `make install` replacement. Anyone have experience with using that program under Debian?
• 3986[19:21:05] <babilen> Howdy: It is,
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• 3988[19:21:22] <Howdy> thanks
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• 4005[19:22:42] <consolejazz> replaced-url
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• 4042[19:32:21] <iKarith> Huh, I just discovered that this box is still running stretch. That's fixable, or will be fixable in 240 packages to upgrade. :)
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• 4044[19:32:33] <iKarith> I was wondering why the fix for consolation wasn't in there yet.
• 4045[19:32:34] <petn-randall> nobody44: It's because your performance will suck hard.
• 4046[19:32:47] <mtn> iKarith: downgrading is not supported
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• 4048[19:33:04] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 4049[19:33:04] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 4050[19:33:08] <nobody44> petn-randall, yeah, I know that, I am just testing :-)
• 4051[19:33:09] <babilen> iKarith: What do you want it to run instead?
• 4052[19:33:15] <iKarith> babilen: sid.
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• 4055[19:33:23] <nobody44> petn-randall, but it should not stop, it should just be slow shouldn't it?
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• 4058[19:33:39] <babilen> .. then just add sid and upgrade. Ensure you have apt-listbugs and read DebianUnstable on the wiki
• 4059[19:33:39] <missmbob> iKarith: seriously go to #debian-next on OFTC for that stuff
• 4060[19:33:41] <mtn> iKarith: upgrading is easy
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• 4062[19:34:19] <iKarith> mtn: yes, I just had been waiting for consolation (which is in testing) to be upgraded to 0.2 and thought this machine was already running sid. Discovered it wasn't. Easy fix. :)
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• 4065[19:34:44] <iKarith> 0.1 has a release critical bug in that it doesn't actually work. ;)
• 4066[19:35:09] <petn-randall> nobody44: If you use something like qcow2 to pack the VM disks, you will have a lot of fragmentation. If you have spinning disks, you will have lots of random seeks and abysmal I/O. Try changing the cache mode to writeback/unsafe to increase I/O.
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• 4068[19:35:27] <missmbob> ,checkbackport consolation
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• 4070[19:35:28] <judd> Backporting package consolation in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 4071[19:35:33] <missmbob> that's not a reason to use sid ^^
• 4072[19:35:43] <petn-randall> nobody44: Other possibility is that your disk in the host system is failing, and it's timing out on the reads or writes.
• 4073[19:35:53] <Howdy> adding #dom0-min-mem 1024 to xl.conf & set autobloon to no does this sound kosher to you guys?
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• 4075[19:36:10] <petn-randall> nobody44: Run 'atop' on your host system and tell us what is in the red.
• 4076[19:36:11] <iKarith> mtn: I know why this box was left stretch, because I use it for Raspple II development (which despite its name actually does run on Debian jessie/stretch)
• 4077[19:36:18] <nobody44> those virtual drives come from a LVM on the host machine, using virtIO, no cache and native IO mode
• 4078[19:36:26] <Howdy> Also 1024 turned pink in xl.conf file
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• 4081[19:36:59] <Howdy> ok going to do reboot let see
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• 4084[19:37:16] <petn-randall> nobody44: Try running them with 'unsafe' and making sure there's enough RAM on your host system. It shouldn't be swapping.
• 4085[19:37:19] <iKarith> but I now do that in chroot environments anyway, so it doesn't matter anymore. As I'm what you'd colloquially call an old fart with Debian now, sid's fine. :)
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• 4093[19:39:33] <nobody44> petn-randall, will try
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• 4101[19:41:05] <nobody44> petn-randall, so I guess this is related to the whole VM thing...
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• 4105[19:41:44] <nobody44> the hardware for the real thing is coming soon, i will test on the real system anyway :-)
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• 4109[19:43:53] <petn-randall> nobody44: The biggest performance boost for RAIDs with parity (5, 6, 50, 60, etc.) is a battery-backed writeback cache on the RAID controller. I have a RAID5 on my home system, but especially random I/O writes are fairly poor on such a system. I use it mainly to archive large amounts of data.
• 4110[19:44:35] <nobody44> petn-randall, i will use software raid anyway :-/ ... its not a critical system anyway, meaning i dont need high performance
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• 4116[19:45:29] <petn-randall> nobody44: I was referring to software RAID. I wouldn't use hardware RAID due to the weird ... bugs some manufacturers implement. But the writeback cache still comes in handy.
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• 4121[19:46:48] <insecurity> what's the best linux outlook client
• 4122[19:46:57] <petn-randall> !best
• 4123[19:46:57] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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• 4128[19:47:55] <insecurity> for supporting all the outlook features
• 4129[19:48:09] <insecurity> or what would you personally consider to be the best?
• 4130[19:48:14] <nobody44> petn-randall, ouh, I thought that was only possible for hardware raids... but I am not really familiar with RAIDs and all
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• 4135[19:49:25] <insecurity> petn-randall?
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• 4138[19:50:32] <petn-randall> insecurity: So you are looking for a mail client? Or what features are you exactly referring to? I *personally* would avoid Outlook at any cost.
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• 4140[19:51:13] <jelly> insecurity, does that include integration with exchange?
• 4141[19:51:28] <insecurity> yeah unfortunately it's what we use at work.
• 4142[19:51:30] <insecurity> yes jelly
• 4143[19:51:36] <insecurity> we're using exchange
• 4144[19:51:54] <insecurity> trying evolution right now
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• 4151[19:55:09] <jelly> if you don't care about the calendars, thunderbird & lightning (in debian, icedove and iceowl-extension) seem to be the common GUI choice
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• 4156[19:56:25] <jelly> ,i calendar-exchange-provider --release jessie-backports
• 4157[19:56:26] <judd> Package calendar-exchange-provider (mail, optional) in jessie-backports/amd64: MS Exchange support for iceowl-extension. Version: 3.5.0-1~bpo80+1; Size: 408.4k; Installed: 3507k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 4160[19:56:34] <jelly> so apparently that exists now
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• 4162[19:56:43] <insecurity> nice
• 4163[19:56:46] <insecurity> thanks
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• 4166[19:56:53] <jelly> no idea how well it works
• 4167[19:57:26] <iKarith> I'm getting an error out of update-initramfs ...
• 4168[19:57:28] <iKarith> gzip: stdout: No space left on device
• 4169[19:57:36] <iKarith> That ... would be a problem.
• 4170[19:57:50] <petn-randall> iKarith: How much disk space is left?
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• 4172[19:58:35] <iKarith> petn-randall: on the system? Not much. Just a mere 48G
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• 4176[19:59:18] <petn-randall> iKarith: Can you show us the output of 'df -h'? → replaced-url
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• 4179[19:59:31] <Howdy> Guys I am using this guide replaced-url
• 4180[19:59:41] <Howdy> in there it tells me to nano windows.cfg
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• 4184[19:59:52] <iKarith> ah, /boot is full.
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• 4187[19:59:59] <iKarith> I see the problem and will address.
• 4188[20:00:10] <Howdy> I am doing gedit win.cfg but I do need to be in some special folder to do it or in root?
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• 4190[20:00:24] <petn-randall> iKarith: You can fix it by removing any old kernels, that's usually the problem.
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• 4195[20:00:58] <iKarith> yes, I shouldn't have made a separate /boot on this system. It doesn't need one, and 128MB is obviously no longer enough. ;)
• 4196[20:01:08] <iKarith> I'll rejigger partitons later
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• 4199[20:01:26] <petn-randall> iKarith: There are many cases where it's useful, especially if you want full disk encryption.
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• 4203[20:02:00] <Howdy> so do you need to be in root folder to run gedit windows.cfg guys?
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• 4205[20:02:11] <qu> Anyone know what .deb the command 'openstack' is in?
• 4206[20:02:16] <iKarith> petn-randall: I didn't set that up on an Atom D410
• 4207[20:02:18] <Howdy> sorry but a total newbie in linux & trying to do hypervisor
• 4208[20:02:36] <iKarith> petn-randall: But apparently I should have set it for like 256MB or 512MB or something
• 4209[20:02:51] <petn-randall> Howdy: From reading the rest of the article, it's irrelevant where you put it, as long as it's your current working directory.
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• 4212[20:03:23] <iKarith> I think I'd suggest modifying update-initramfs with an extra line of output that might clue a user into the cause.
• 4213[20:03:39] <Howdy> Petn-randall:thanks
• 4214[20:04:03] <spacemn> qu: you can search package contents on packages.debian.org, for jessie is python-openstackclient
• 4215[20:04:21] <petn-randall> iKarith: 'No space left on device' is fairly obvious, the admin just has to figure out which device it is.
• 4216[20:04:51] <iKarith> petn-randall: What device though? The loop device? The disk partition, what?
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• 4219[20:05:46] <qu> spacemn: Ty, looks like it might be openstack-clients?
• 4220[20:05:56] <iKarith> Some indication of which device was being written would have made a sudden "CRAP!" into a quick "Oh, lemme nuke old kernels".
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• 4222[20:06:37] <petn-randall> iKarith: If I get any error with 'No space left on device', no matter what command triggered it, I run 'df' and suspect it's the device that is 100% full.
• 4223[20:06:50] <spacemn> qu: replaced-url
• 4224[20:07:31] <Howdy> 6 vcpus enough for gaming?
• 4225[20:07:33] <qu> spacemn: Ah, I wonder why they don't mention installing that in the docs?
• 4226[20:07:33] <Howdy> BF4?
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• 4230[20:08:49] <petn-randall> Howdy: We only know Debian in here, I guess you'll have to look up the specs for BF4.
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• 4233[20:10:50] <iKarith> petn-randall: /boot was not 100% full.
• 4234[20:10:52] <spacemn> qu: dunno, I looked it up myself too
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• 4237[20:11:10] <iKarith> petn-randall: but I realized it wouldn't have had space enough for another intird at the size of the ones that were there.
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• 4240[20:12:43] <iKarith> Again, much brown-pants-needing could've been avoided if it said it was writing <ramdiskN> for each one. That would also have clued me in that I haven't purged vintage kernels recently.
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• 4252[20:15:54] <sideup66> hey room, can anyone help me configure exim4 in debian to send mail to my gmail account instead of local mail
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• 4255[20:16:10] <sideup66> im following this guide to configure it for my gmail account: replaced-url
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• 4258[20:16:18] <sideup66> and at first i got an undeliverable message in my inbox
• 4259[20:16:26] <sideup66> but afte a couple tests, all email stopped sending
• 4260[20:16:28] <sideup66> ?
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• 4264[20:16:43] <jim> sideup66, mail to a specific user?
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• 4267[20:17:35] <sideup66> hey jim well really it would be nice if all mail in the system was sent to my gmail instead, this way if my server has a problem (ie ups kicks over to battery or mdadm detects a raid issue) im alerted about it
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• 4270[20:18:15] <jim> including mail for root about problems in your system?
• 4271[20:18:29] <sideup66> yes
• 4272[20:18:46] <sideup66> there is one user account used for logging in remote to administer things, but most work is done after elevating to root
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• 4275[20:19:29] <sideup66> dont need to roll a full mail server, im figuring i can configure gmail to just send it, except the guide i found is not working
• 4276[20:20:39] <jim> and you want all mail about any activity (or about anything) to be sent to the google acct... yes? (I'm just trying to clarify the question)
• 4277[20:21:04] <sideup66> yes and no problem :)
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• 4279[20:22:34] <babilen> nullmailer or msmtp or similar might be worth a look
• 4280[20:23:01] <sideup66> is exim4 no good?
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• 4282[20:23:20] <jim> so then, your server receives the mail, and in the process of delivering the mail, it gets sent to the gmail
• 4283[20:23:48] <babilen> sideup66: There's nothing wrong with exim, just a bit overkill if all you want is delivery to a smart relay
• 4284[20:24:09] <jim> that's -probably- how you should do it
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• 4287[20:24:56] <afx_> hello ! should I update firefox manually ?
• 4288[20:25:02] <jim> so exim handles each email twice, once to receive it, and once to send it
• 4289[20:25:06] <afx_> by downloading it ?
• 4290[20:25:38] <sideup66> ah babilen didnt know much on it, so i should torch exim then and replace it with that?
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• 4294[20:26:16] <babilen> Do wat you want to do
• 4295[20:26:22] <jim> afx_, there might staill be a site with later firefox packages
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• 4297[20:27:15] <afx_> jim, what do you mean ?
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• 4299[20:27:28] <sideup66> oh i see, im just not sure whats wrong in my config
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• 4301[20:27:36] <sideup66> or is there a better howto for setting things up somewhere?
• 4302[20:27:47] <jim> afx_, sec
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• 4304[20:28:09] <afx_> jim, ok
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• 4309[20:30:07] <holst> I'm running a virtual machine with Debian "testing"
• 4310[20:30:21] <holst> and I think it just got bricked after a failed apt-get dist-upgrade
• 4311[20:30:28] <jim> afx_, the site replaced-url
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• 4313[20:30:45] <holst> is there some way to force apt-get dist-upgrade back into a valid/clean state?
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• 4316[20:31:17] <afx_> jim, so install it from backports?
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• 4318[20:31:33] <jim> from -that- site
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• 4322[20:32:00] <jim> you run jessie?
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• 4324[20:33:03] <afx_> jim, yes
• 4325[20:33:27] <jim> are you looking at that site now?
• 4326[20:33:31] <afx_> yeap
• 4327[20:34:24] <afx_> thank you jim will try this
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• 4329[20:35:16] <jim> it involves adding a line to your sources.list, updating, then installing it
• 4330[20:35:40] <jelly> holst, what do you mean by "bricked"? Can you log in?
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• 4333[20:36:51] <jelly> a "brick" is something you can get no inputs in _and_ no outputs out
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• 4341[20:40:11] <DoctorD90> hello! it is there a way to pass from grub to system a keyboart layout? because at each start of the livecd I have to run setxbmab it...it isnt there a way to pass that settings from grub?
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• 4344[20:42:07] <Howdy> ok this time when I typed XL create windows.cfg my system froze after it started prasing file no error messages were displayed
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• 4347[20:44:44] <Delf> Is there a way to execute a script whenever a specific screen goes on? As in… from blank screen to on/login/password lock and so on
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• 4353[20:46:26] <Delf> It doesn't seem to be possible to set the brightness and contrast of the screen through ddci when the computer has turned off the screen
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• 4361[20:49:26] <atralheaven1> how can I add a iptables rule on the top of INPUT, as the first rule, without overwriting anything?
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• 4364[20:50:05] <jelly> atralheaven1, iptables -I INPUT 1 .... (also, read the manual)
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• 4369[20:53:24] <atralheaven1> jelly: in this rule: "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --syn --dport 8800 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 1 -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset" the -A will be -I, just that, right?
• 4370[20:54:23] <jelly> go read man iptables, read what -A does and what -I does, I'll be waiting here
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• 4376[20:56:06] <jelly> maybe it works, the man page says it does, but I've never used -I without an explicit rule number so I can't say "yes it works"
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• 4378[20:56:56] <sideup66> i made progress
• 4379[20:56:59] <sideup66> followed a guide
• 4380[20:57:03] <sideup66> email seems to work properly
• 4381[20:57:18] <sideup66> but not everything is pushed correctly, think i need to add another user to that configuration
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• 4383[20:57:35] <atralheaven1> jelly: I did, and it said its the default value for it
• 4384[20:58:04] <atralheaven1> so why it shouldn't work?! it should :)
• 4385[20:58:12] <jelly> !tias
• 4386[20:58:12] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
• 4387[20:58:34] <atralheaven1> jelly: btw, the 1 really means one, single, its not counting from zero right?!
• 4388[20:58:34] <DoctorD90> jelly, do you know any settings to pass from grub to system to accomplish the keyboard mapping?
• 4389[20:58:49] <jelly> atralheaven1, yes, first rule is 1
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• 4391[20:59:31] <atralheaven1> no, the other one I meant, sorry that wasn't clear. the "above 1 -j REJECT" part
• 4392[20:59:32] <jelly> DoctorD90, no
• 4393[20:59:38] <DoctorD90> thx!
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• 4399[21:00:45] <atralheaven1> should I restart iptables or anything to apply changes?
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• 4402[21:01:49] <jelly> atralheaven1, no clue about -m connlimit, ask in #netfilter
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• 4404[21:02:41] <atralheaven1> jelly: thank you :) I didn't know that iptables has a channel so I asked here
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• 4406[21:03:12] <jelly> when you use the iptables command the changes are immediate, but only for this boot (making them permanent depends on which iptables wrapper or script you use if any)
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• 4412[21:06:24] <Howdy> I want to limit the amount of CPUs to dom0 to 1 & guide says to make that change in /etc/xen/xend-config.sxp:
• 4413[21:06:30] <Howdy> but I have a XL.conf
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• 4415[21:06:42] <Howdy> so I make that change in XL.conf right?
• 4416[21:07:03] <Howdy> like this #dom0-cpus 1
• 4417[21:07:06] <Howdy> ?
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• 4422[21:08:04] <Howdy> well change is done brb reboot
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• 4426[21:08:42] <sideup66> i think i found the issue
• 4427[21:08:45] <sideup66> i was going about it all wrong
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• 4429[21:09:03] <sideup66> what I need to do is configure each utility (mdadm) and apcupsd to send email
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• 4439[21:15:02] <stephanie92> hey guys, where is the best spot to place permanent partitions in fstab. Is it okay to place them in /mnt/
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• 4462[21:25:08] <isaac1> Hello, I am having issues with my usb stick after attempting to create a bootable usb using cp command
• 4463[21:25:55] <isaac1> I then attempted to format it using sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
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• 4466[21:26:23] <isaac1> now running Running lsblk :
• 4467[21:26:24] <isaac1> sdb 8:16 1 14.6G 0 disk └─sdb1 8:17 1 14.6G 0 part y
• 4468[21:26:27] <Howdy> Ok, guys need some help. I want to set Dom-0 to 2 vcpu & I am doing the following 1. In Grub typing dom0_max_vcpus=2 dom0_vcpus_pin & saving file then running update-grub 2. in XL.conf file adding #dom0-cpus 2 saving the file & restarting machine
• 4469[21:26:39] <Howdy> But I still see all my cpus assigned to dom0
• 4470[21:26:44] <isaac1> fdisk -l :
• 4471[21:26:45] <isaac1> Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type /dev/sda1 * 2048 499711 497664 243M 83 Linux /dev/sda2 501758 976771071 976269314 465.5G 5 Extended /dev/sda5 501760 976771071 976269312 465.5G 8e Linux LVM
• 4472[21:26:46] <Howdy> any input?
• 4473[21:26:47] <isaac1> Partition 3 does not start on physical sector boundary.
• 4474[21:26:49] <isaac1> On opening Gpart, 'Could not stat device /dev/sdb, no such file or directory'
• 4475[21:26:51] <isaac1> mount /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ gives:
• 4476[21:26:53] <isaac1> mount: special device /dev/sdb/ does not exist
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• 4479[21:27:15] <isaac1> How can I go about wiping the usb clean so I try again to create a bootable iso
• 4480[21:27:16] <missmbob> isaac1: what was the exact cp command you used?
• 4481[21:27:44] <PryMar56> Howdy, use GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN_DEFAULT="
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• 4484[21:28:18] <isaac1> I cannot remember exactly but I believe it was cp /dev/sdb iso-name ...
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• 4486[21:28:32] <Howdy> PryMar56:add that into grub file?
• 4487[21:28:35] <missmbob> isaac1: should be cp foo.iso /dev/sdb
• 4488[21:28:37] <Howdy> Let me see whats in there right now
• 4489[21:28:39] <missmbob> isaac1: you had it backwards
• 4490[21:28:50] <PryMar56> Howdy, in /etc/default/grub
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• 4492[21:29:00] <Howdy> ya going there
• 4493[21:29:05] <missmbob> isaac1: now i'd redownload the iso and try again. you can also use dd if=/path/debian.iso of=/dev/sdb
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• 4495[21:30:19] <Howdy> PryMar56:its now #GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN_DEFAULT="dom0_max_vcpus=2 dom0_vcpus_pin"
• 4496[21:30:21] * iKarith has always thought exim4 was not an ideal default MTA for Debian systems, especially in the modern age.
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• 4498[21:30:36] <Howdy> looks good?
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• 4500[21:30:50] <iKarith> But I can't truly argue there's a really good alternative that doesn't suffer the same problems.
• 4501[21:31:01] <PryMar56> Howdy, uncomment, but also set max for your dom0 RAM
• 4502[21:31:06] <isaac1> missbob: my problem is now the usb will not mount!
• 4503[21:31:13] <Howdy> the one above it there is GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN="dom0_mem=4096M,max:4096M"
• 4504[21:31:23] <isaac1> missbob: and is not recognised by fdisk -l
• 4505[21:31:24] <missmbob> isaac1: i dont care. neither does the computer. in fact it cant be mounted to do this
• 4506[21:32:06] <xingu> iKarith: sendmail 4 ;)
• 4507[21:32:11] <isaac1> missbob: I see! Oh I checked through my terminal history and I actually used cp the right way round!
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• 4509[21:32:28] <missmbob> isaac1: you used /dev/sdb and *not* /dev/sdb1, right?
• 4510[21:32:44] <isaac1> missmbob: yes I believe so
• 4511[21:32:45] <iKarith> ideally you'd want a config setup for end users on non-server systems that asks you to set up one or more email accounts and that MTAs could auto-configure working that way from.
• 4512[21:32:46] <Howdy> PryMar56:
• 4513[21:32:49] <missmbob> isaac1: and this is a debian iso? with debian's hybrid images that works.
• 4514[21:32:52] <Howdy> Thanks , i am going to try rebootr
• 4515[21:32:58] <missmbob> isaac1: other images wont work this way
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• 4517[21:33:19] <isaac1> No, it's a ubuntu iso (I need to dual boot for class!)
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• 4519[21:33:31] <iKarith> Then it doesn't matter what MTA Debian uses, as long as the MTA can interface with the tool that configures users' email addresses.
• 4520[21:33:35] <missmbob> isaac1: so go ask them to how to it. i just know debian's hybrid
• 4521[21:33:39] <missmbob> isaac1: #ubuntu
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• 4526[21:34:15] <sideup66> hey room one stupid question
• 4527[21:34:24] <sideup66> is there anywhere on here i can look to see a default mdadm.conf file
• 4528[21:34:29] <isaac1> missmbob: Thanks, would you know how to get me to a fresh formatted usb again
• 4529[21:34:34] <isaac1> please
• 4530[21:34:51] <missmbob> isaac1: for someone with limited experience i'd used gparted
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• 4532[21:35:01] <missmbob> use*
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• 4537[21:35:37] <xingu> sideup66: I don't have a reference system, but occasionally such things reside in /usr/share/doc/${package}/examples/
• 4538[21:35:39] <isaac1> missmbob: gparted throws On opening Gpart, 'Could not stat device /dev/sdb, no such file or directory'
• 4539[21:35:45] <isaac1> on opening
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• 4542[21:36:03] <missmbob> isaac1: listen i dont know what ubuntu does. you need to ask them.
• 4543[21:36:29] <jelly> sideup66: if you need to regenerate it, run /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf
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• 4545[21:37:02] <jelly> sideup66: and redirect the stdout someplace for possible further editing I guess
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• 4547[21:37:18] <isaac1> missmbob: Ok I will do, but now the question is not ubunutu specific - I have a usb with a messed up file structure; I want to format it clean
• 4548[21:37:21] <sideup66> ok jelly thanks
• 4549[21:37:36] <sideup66> will look into, just need to put a setting back and make sure the defaults are correct first
• 4550[21:37:44] <isaac1> missmbob: Is is not more appropriate to ask this here since I am running debian right now
• 4551[21:37:59] <isaac1> and presumably using debian packages and commands to fix the issue
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• 4553[21:38:29] <missmbob> isaac1: zero it out. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb. then you can use parted or whatever you want to make a new partition. then mkfs
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• 4556[21:39:47] <isaac1> missmbob: tried to, but that produces dd: writing to ‘/dev/sdb’: No space left on device
• 4557[21:39:48] <isaac1> 1+0 records in
• 4558[21:39:50] <isaac1> 0+0 records out
• 4559[21:39:52] <isaac1> 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 0.00012121 s, 0.0 kB/s
• 4560[21:39:56] <Howdy> That worked limited cpu to 2!
• 4561[21:39:58] <missmbob> isaac1: if you're just going write an iso on it though it doesnt matter. the iso contains it's own partitions/fs.
• 4562[21:40:04] <Howdy> on Dom0
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• 4567[21:40:55] <isaac1> missmbob: Oh ok I understand, thank you for your patience!
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• 4569[21:41:45] <Howdy> I did not think I would have fun setting up linux /hypervisor
• 4570[21:41:54] <Howdy> should have done this years ago
• 4571[21:41:58] <Howdy> my lazy ass
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• 4575[21:44:40] <Howdy> Ok, so finally have the error again
• 4576[21:44:45] <Howdy> I am following this guide
• 4577[21:44:47] <Howdy> replaced-url
• 4578[21:45:02] <Howdy> at final stage to start WIndows VM for gaming ...
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• 4580[21:45:20] <Howdy> I type xl create windows.cfg & get failed to free memory for the domain
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• 4582[21:45:34] <Howdy> Also WARNING: ignoring "kernel" directive for HVM guest. Use "firmware_override" instead if you really want a non-default firmware
• 4583[21:45:44] <Howdy> WARNING: ignoring "kernel" directive for HVM guest. Use "firmware_override" instead if you really want a non-default firmware
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• 4585[21:45:51] <Howdy> libxl: error: libxl.c:4143:libxl_set_memory_target: new target 0 for dom0 is below the minimum threshold
• 4586[21:46:08] <Howdy> I have set memory for dom0 to 4096 & limited it to 2 cpus
• 4587[21:46:20] <Howdy> libxl: error: libxl.c:4143:libxl_set_memory_target: new target 0 for dom0 is below the minimum threshold
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• 4589[21:46:29] <Howdy> Name ID Mem VCPUs State Time(s)
• 4590[21:46:31] <Howdy> Domain-0 0 15302 2 r----- 242.7
• 4591[21:46:33] <Howdy> ovm-1734 2 16384 6 -b---- 39.4
• 4592[21:46:53] <Howdy> shit
• 4593[21:46:56] <sideup66> thanks jelly, looks good
• 4594[21:47:02] <Howdy> its using more then 4 gigs of ram
• 4595[21:47:08] <sideup66> next test is to power server off, unplug a drive, and boot up
• 4596[21:47:18] <sideup66> if its working right i should get an automagic email that raid broke
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• 4598[21:48:44] <Howdy> what does uncomment mean?
• 4599[21:49:00] <Howdy> I have this in grub
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• 4601[21:49:06] <Howdy> # Xen boot parameters for all Xen boots
• 4602[21:49:09] <Howdy> GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN="dom0_mem=4096M,max:4096M"
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• 4604[21:49:26] <Howdy> but I have no # sign statement for GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN="dom0_max_vcpus=2 dom0_vcpus_pin"
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• 4606[21:50:03] <Howdy> before system was limiting to 4gigs of ram but after I added GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN="dom0_max_vcpus=2 dom0_vcpus_pin" right below # Xen boot parameters for all Xen boots
• 4607[21:50:06] <Howdy> GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN="dom0_mem=4096M,max:4096M" its no longer limiting
• 4608[21:50:18] <jelly> you probably want to put all the xen-related parameters on one line into a single GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN="...." definition
• 4609[21:50:31] <jelly> not two lines
• 4610[21:50:48] <Howdy> oh with commas
• 4611[21:51:06] <Howdy> ?
• 4612[21:51:25] <Howdy> how is this
• 4613[21:51:27] <Howdy> GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN="dom0_mem=4096M,max:4096M""dom0_max_vcpus=2 dom0_vcpus_pin"
• 4614[21:51:27] <jelly> no idea, probably
• 4615[21:51:34] <Howdy> gooogling
• 4616[21:51:40] <jelly> that... doesn't look right
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• 4618[21:52:04] <jelly> why not separate all four params with , and put a "" around the whole thing
• 4619[21:52:15] <jelly> assume it's shell syntax
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• 4623[21:53:12] <jelly> or separate with spaces if those things end up being kernel boot params.
• 4624[21:53:14] <Howdy> ok, I need to learn shell syntax then
• 4625[21:53:30] <jelly> GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN="dom0_mem=4096M,max:4096M dom0_max_vcpus=2 dom0_vcpus_pin"
• 4626[21:53:48] <Howdy> thanks
• 4627[21:54:06] <jelly> I have no idea whether any of that is correct, it just looks saner
• 4628[21:54:17] <Howdy> lol let me google it too
• 4629[21:54:39] <jelly> which file are you editing?
• 4630[21:54:49] <Howdy> grub
• 4631[21:54:56] <jelly> fulle path please?
• 4632[21:55:01] <jelly> full path please?
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• 4634[21:55:15] <Howdy> oh
• 4635[21:55:24] <Howdy> /etc/default/grub
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• 4638[21:55:37] <jelly> right, don't forget to run update-grub
• 4639[21:55:48] <Howdy> yup
• 4640[21:55:51] <Howdy> thanks
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• 4642[21:56:30] <random_numbers> What package would I need to install to get gdb's man-page?
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• 4644[21:57:05] <Howdy> Jelly:your format looks right I see other ppl using it web ...brb reboot
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• 4647[21:57:54] <jelly> random_numbers: gdb-doc, from the non-free section
• 4648[21:58:00] <jelly> !non-free sources
• 4649[21:58:00] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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• 4654[21:58:33] <random_numbers> gdb's doc is non-free?
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• 4657[21:58:56] <jelly> they're not DFSG-compliant, apparently
• 4658[21:59:24] <random_numbers> And yet the program itself is. That's kind of odd.
• 4659[21:59:42] <random_numbers> Oh well, thanks for telling me.
• 4660[21:59:54] <jelly> see also: gnu libc docs, tar docs... anything with FSF's GFDL license that includes invariant sections
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• 4662[22:00:26] <jelly> ask the bot if interested about the details, /msg dpkg gfdl
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• 4666[22:01:46] <Howdy> Jelly:Thank you that worked!
• 4667[22:02:07] <Howdy> Hoping I can now create windows vm without errors
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• 4683[22:07:14] <Howdy> how do I destroy a domain
• 4684[22:07:23] <Howdy> kernel = "/usr/lib/xen-4.4/boot/hvmloader"
• 4685[22:07:27] <Howdy> libxl: error: libxl.c:319:libxl__domain_rename: domain with name "ovm-1734" already exists.
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• 4688[22:08:07] <random_numbers> Thanks for the help.
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• 4690[22:08:11] <babilen> xl destroy?
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• 4696[22:11:34] <Walakea> if i install windows 8 on a different partition, how much it will mess up grub?
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• 4698[22:11:51] <missmbob> completely
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• 4700[22:12:00] <missmbob> you'll need to reinstall grub with a rescue disk
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• 4702[22:12:28] <Walakea> there will be no option of booting debian in BIOS, right?
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• 4705[22:12:57] <missmbob> no
• 4706[22:13:11] <missmbob> i mean "correct"
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• 4708[22:13:42] <_sh00p> reinstalling grub is easy though
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• 4710[22:13:56] <missmbob> !fixmbr
• 4711[22:13:57] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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• 4716[22:15:38] <giricz81> Hi I have noticed a different thunar's behavior in stable/testing + sid. In the detail list view there is no more possible to mark files and folders by mouse drag in Name column. In other columns it is working, but in release notes for 4.12 there is no notes about this new "adjustments"
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• 4721[22:16:14] <missmbob> giricz81: ask the testing/sid people on #debian-next on OFTC
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• 4723[22:16:38] <giricz81> ok
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• 4728[22:20:02] <Howdy> lost history in chat
• 4729[22:20:07] <Howdy> was in restroom just got back
• 4730[22:20:18] <Howdy> did anybody answer my question how to destroy a domain?
• 4731[22:20:34] <Howdy> libxl: error: libxl.c:319:libxl__domain_rename: domain with name "ovm-1734" already exists.
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• 4757[22:30:47] <sideup66> hey room, any simple way to ensure mdadm is going to actually send mail alerts on raid changes
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• 4760[22:31:02] <sideup66> i did simulate raid fail on my server just now, and for some reason did not get an email, but a test sends it just fine
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• 4776[22:41:29] <qqz> what if I need my own kernel with Debian?
• 4777[22:41:47] <qqz> can I simply put the singing support for modules off?
• 4778[22:42:00] <qqz> or will I have to generate my own key?
• 4779[22:42:41] <_sh00p> I have compiled a few kernels for debian and I have no idea what you are talking about :)
• 4780[22:42:47] <_sh00p> I must have missed something
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• 4786[22:45:37] <qqz> make bzImage fails with:
• 4787[22:45:41] <qqz> No rule to make target 'debian/certs/benh@debian.org.cert.pem'
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• 4791[22:46:21] <qqz> _sh00p: did you also apply your own patches to the kernel or did you make a vanilla
• 4792[22:46:36] <qqz> perhaps it only asks because I have applied some patches
• 4793[22:46:49] <missmbob> qqz: why are you doing it that way?
• 4794[22:46:56] <_sh00p> hmm... usually when i compiled myself I patched with CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT
• 4795[22:47:03] <_sh00p> and I did not have those issues
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• 4797[22:47:09] <qqz> missmbob: no graphics output without my own patches
• 4798[22:47:15] <missmbob> qqz: replaced-url
• 4799[22:47:17] <sideup66> i figured out the exim, it is working :)
• 4800[22:47:24] <missmbob> qqz: that's the proper way to build a kernel in debian
• 4801[22:47:38] <sideup66> thanks for all the help guys :) just one more parting thought, what is the default retry time for debian
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• 4803[22:47:53] <sideup66> as i had a mdadm email that was trying to send but would produce an error stating the retry time was not reached
• 4804[22:47:59] <petn-randall> sideup66: Default retry for what?
• 4805[22:48:03] <sideup66> exim email
• 4806[22:48:06] <qqz> replaced-url
• 4807[22:48:36] <qqz> have applied exactly these patches for my radeon R5 230
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• 4809[22:48:45] <qqz> but now it complains ...
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• 4811[22:49:16] <missmbob> if you do it using make deb-pkg like the kernel handbook says you wont have such problem
• 4812[22:49:27] <qqz> ... previously I have installed a patched kernel without signing support compiled under Arch
• 4813[22:49:40] <sideup66> petn-randall, ^
• 4814[22:49:52] <petn-randall> sideup66: no idea
• 4815[22:49:53] <qqz> missmbob: I doubt that as Debian will not ship their private key
• 4816[22:50:09] <missmbob> qqz: you dont need one. but fine, do as you wish.
• 4817[22:50:22] <petn-randall> qqz: I doubt that you read that link.
• 4818[22:50:29] <missmbob> of course he didnt read it
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• 4821[22:51:05] <jelly> qqz: does your config have nonempty CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS?
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• 4825[22:53:08] <qqz> jelly: it lists the Debian key as I copied the config from /boot
• 4826[22:53:16] <jelly> well then
• 4827[22:53:17] <qqz> perhpas delete that entry
• 4828[22:53:54] <jelly> Apr 29 17:19:14 <adsb> 20:32 < bwh> jelly: the fix is to run "scripts/config --set-str MODULE_SIG_KEY ''"
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• 4831[22:54:30] <jelly> (or provide your own key, if you really want all that signed stuff)
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• 4835[22:55:19] <sideup66> im back sorry
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• 4837[22:55:44] <sideup66> i found the issue petn-randall , what was happening was that exim is trying to send an email during boot because of when mdadm would fire off and of course my simulated fail is reported
• 4838[22:55:56] <sideup66> however the email isnt going out because either exim isnt ready yet or the networks not fully up
• 4839[22:56:13] <sideup66> and that is just a wait queue that would simply clear after a while on its on and get it all out
• 4840[22:56:16] <sideup66> but its working :)
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• 4844[22:56:40] <petn-randall> sideup66: That shouldn't be an issue, though, IIRC it uses a sendmail maildrop, and your MTA should pick it up from there once its running and the network is there.
• 4845[22:57:19] <sideup66> petn-randall, have no idea though, because at boot itll fail, if i force a retry, sends perfectly
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• 4848[22:58:11] <qqz> jelly: thx; it compiles now
• 4849[22:58:20] <qqz> hope that will resolve all issues
• 4850[22:58:28] <qqz> ... it just did not boot another patched kernel previously known to boot under Arch
• 4851[22:58:45] <qqz> I hope that grub will not refuse to boot it unsigned via my BIOS
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• 4854[22:58:54] <qqz> it inserts some EFI stuff there
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• 4858[22:59:18] <qqz> perhaps I would need to configure grub accordingly as well
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• 4861[22:59:28] <sideup66> petn-randall, it shows the fail in the log actually
• 4862[22:59:34] <sideup66> network is unreachable
• 4863[22:59:36] <sideup66> then goes to queue
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• 4867[23:00:08] <qqz> jelly: no that in deed did not resolve anything
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• 4869[23:00:14] <qqz> it suddenly stops compiling
• 4870[23:00:31] <qqz> and then when I issue a re-compile I get this message
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• 4874[23:00:45] <qqz> why not simply turn module signing off?
• 4875[23:00:55] <jelly> why don't you?
• 4876[23:01:20] <qqz> ... I am not sure whether the kernel will boot then with grubs current config
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• 4878[23:01:40] <jelly> does your system have secure boot?
• 4879[23:01:47] <qqz> no
• 4880[23:01:52] <jelly> why do you care, then
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• 4882[23:02:25] <qqz> .. but debian is the only system that refused to boot my already compiled kernel used by Mageia and Arch
• 4883[23:02:49] <qqz> I do not know why but it seems to refuse to load any module when booted
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• 4885[23:02:59] <jelly> which debian release?
• 4886[23:03:08] <qqz> ... testing
• 4887[23:03:19] <jelly> oh, ask in
• 4888[23:03:22] <jelly> !debian-next
• 4889[23:03:22] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 4891[23:03:38] <qqz> i.e. 9 / stretch
• 4892[23:03:40] <hedin> Can I activate jessie-backports and basicly ignore it, except 1 package?
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• 4895[23:03:45] <jelly> I have no idea what's the state of boot loaders in stretch
• 4896[23:04:01] <jelly> hedin: it gets ignored by default
• 4897[23:04:03] <missmbob> hedin: yes. you *have* to specify -t jessie-backports in apt-get line for it to look in backport
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• 4900[23:04:28] <petn-randall> hedin: That's the way backports works, you explicitely have to pick packages from there for them to get installed. What missmbob said.
• 4901[23:04:32] <ksft> I just left my computer for maybe twenty minutes.
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• 4904[23:04:50] <ksft> When I came back, the screen was black, and the caps lock light was flashing.
• 4905[23:05:00] <jelly> that's a kernel panic
• 4906[23:05:18] <ksft> what's that, and why does it seem to happen whenever my computer suspends?
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• 4908[23:05:55] <jelly> probably suspend or resume triggers a fatal bug with this kernel on this hardware
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• 4910[23:06:10] <hedin> okay, so by adding backports, installing >=btrfs-tools-4.4 then afterwards running apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, will not pull in any other backports package?
• 4911[23:06:29] <missmbob> hedin: right
• 4912[23:06:46] <ksft> jelly: how do I fix it?
• 4913[23:06:48] <jelly> hedin: it will pull dependencies from jessie-backports as well, _if_ it has to
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• 4915[23:07:18] <jelly> ksft: there's no easy answer to that
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• 4917[23:07:57] <ksft> Is there a difficult answer?
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• 4920[23:08:34] <ksft> out of curiosity, can you see when I disconnected?
• 4921[23:08:40] <hedin> jelly: okay, is there a way to see the dependency tree, without installing the package?
• 4922[23:08:57] <jelly> ksft: yes, it involves figuring out a way to get useful trace at panic time, then filing a bug report
• 4923[23:09:09] <jelly> hedin: apt has a --dry-run option
• 4924[23:09:20] <ksft> jelly: a bug report in the Linux kernel?
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• 4926[23:09:45] <jelly> ksft: in the linux kernel package for debian, and/or upstream yes
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• 4928[23:10:02] <ksft> jelly: okay, how do I do the first part of that?
• 4929[23:10:10] <ksft> the getting a useful trace at panic time part
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• 4931[23:10:29] <command> zalim debian
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• 4938[23:11:37] <jelly> ksft: it depends. Maybe you have a serial console. Maybe you have fresh enough hardware with pstore support.
• 4939[23:11:57] <ksft> what are those?
• 4940[23:12:03] <jelly> ksft: replaced-url
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• 4943[23:12:46] <hexadecimal> you are a good guy jelly
• 4944[23:13:04] <jelly> ksft: answering all these questions is what makes the difficult answer difficult :-)
• 4945[23:13:18] <ksft> ah
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• 4954[23:17:21] <jelly> ksft: there are some other options, like netconsole replaced-url
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• 4956[23:17:52] <jelly> ksft: or you can blindly try a different kernel and hope for the best
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• 5006[23:37:53] <sideup66> hey room, does anyone know how to configure the retry times in exim4
• 5007[23:37:58] <sideup66> debian jessie
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• 5013[23:42:15] <darsie> hi
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• 5015[23:42:56] <darsie> dpkg-source: warning: failed to verify signature on ./enigmail_1.9.4-1.dsc
• 5016[23:43:02] <jmcnaught> sideup66: exim4 has some great docs in Debian, i think it's in /usr/share/doc/exim4-config. If the system is not an MTA and is just relaying to another server there are also some simpler options like msmtp-mta for example
• 5017[23:43:10] <darsie> debian-archive-keyring is up to date.
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• 5019[23:43:31] <darsie> my sources.list replaced-url
• 5020[23:43:55] <sideup66> ok jmcnaught im just trying to adjust retry times, it is relaying, i just configured exim and used aliases, seems to work and fires off email through gmail just fine
• 5021[23:44:15] <sideup66> and since its there i figured it was worth reconfiguring rather than switching out altogether and dealing with any potential weirdness it may cause
• 5022[23:44:50] <darsie> I'm trying to backport enigmail. simble sid backport since the current enigmail doesn't have a decrypt button. apt-get -b source enigmail output: replaced-url
• 5023[23:45:34] <sideup66> reason im doing this jmcnaught is because i noticed that mdadm while great with reporting a failure, seems to get its messages backlogged in the system upon boot
• 5024[23:45:38] <jmcnaught> sideup66: sure, makes sense. you'll definitely find how to configure this in the docs, and that directory is where i would start. there's probably also an exim channel
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• 5026[23:45:51] <sideup66> and i think default wait time is 24 hours
• 5027[23:46:04] <darsie> Shall I get key FF68370A and add it with apt-key?
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