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61 [00:26:41] <afernandez_> hello: How do i see the command to be executed by the at command?
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65 [00:27:02] <RoyK> afernandez_: in the logs
66 [00:27:25] <afernandez_> Which log would that be?
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72 [00:28:26] <afernandez_> at -c jobnumber?
73 [00:28:36] <afernandez_> would give me that?
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76 [00:29:05] <RoyK> afernandez_: /var/log/syslog
77 [00:29:32] <afernandez_> Thanks
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80 [00:30:52] <afernandez_> sudo tail /var/log/syslog
81 [00:30:53] <afernandez_> tail: cannot open `/var/log/syslog' for reading: No such file or directory
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84 [00:31:49] <RoyK> afernandez_: what distro/version?
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86 [00:33:07] <afernandez_> Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 5.11 (Tikanga)
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89 [00:33:25] <missmbob> afernandez_ so ask them. this is #debian
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92 [00:33:59] <afernandez_> at is unioversal
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95 [00:34:03] <afernandez_> no?
96 [00:34:04] <RoyK> afernandez_: hehehe - that's pretty old - check /var/log/messages ;)
97 [00:34:13] <afernandez_> Thanks RoyK
98 [00:34:14] <missmbob> no. debian has it. who knows what redhat does
99 [00:34:22] <afernandez_> redhat hast at
100 [00:34:26] <RoyK> afernandez_: log placement isn't universal
101 [00:34:27] <afernandez_> has
102 [00:34:28] <missmbob> your system says no
103 [00:34:30] <afernandez_> sorry brb
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105 [00:35:19] <missmbob> afernandez_: better yet, dont come back. go to #rhel
106 [00:36:07] <RoyK> or #centos
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175 [01:16:59] <Aorious> Hi, on `sudo apt-get install steam`, terms and conditions must be accepted, from bash (via TAB, ENTER, DOWN, ENTER). Can this be automated?
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180 [01:18:28] <vook> with gnu expect it could be automated
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182 [01:18:43] <mutante> Aorious: -y, --yes, --assume-yes
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185 [01:19:07] <Aorious> mutante, I have tried that too, it did not work.
186 [01:19:20] <mutante> aww, ok, worth a try, then "expect" like vook said
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190 [01:20:06] <mordocai> Using debian unstable firefox (but testing everything else) after the update firefox:amd64 (48.0-1, 48.0-1+b1) I get "NS_ERROR_NET_INADEQUATE_SECURITY" on many https sites, including google and twitter. Thoughts besides using older firefox?
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192 [01:20:14] <vook> maybe even some pipe combo involving the 'yes' command and some echoes
193 [01:20:44] <Aorious> vook, Okay, how can this be automated?*
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197 [01:22:15] <vook> Aorious: with expect, you'd need to program a little script - basically it would say something like 'expect "continue"', send '\n', expect "accept?" send 'y\r', etc.
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199 [01:22:52] <mordocai> Looks like it is reported replaced-url
200 [01:22:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
201 [01:23:14] <vook> !expect
202 [01:23:30] <vook> replaced-url
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205 [01:24:56] <Aorious> vook, Okay, I understand. Thanks.
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207 [01:25:20] <mordocai> How do I generate the information that is in replaced-url
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209 [01:25:35] <mordocai> I want to include in my reply, since i'm using a different version than the original reporter
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229 [01:31:45] <mordocai> I managed to get the info I wanted by doing reportbug firefox.
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246 [01:35:35] <brimonk> Does anyone have any experience setting up a PXE server to load a full operating system, and not just the installer?
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256 [01:45:47] <RoyK> brimonk: PXE will only give the client a bootup environment and leave it to the client to do its best with http or ftp or something from somewhere else
257 [01:46:36] <brimonk> So, it isn't really suited for much more than installation.
258 [01:47:36] <RoyK> it's built for installation - but you can probably use it to boot clients that have an NFS root or similar
259 [01:47:48] <RoyK> that has been useful earlier
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261 [01:48:12] <RoyK> but you really don't want to run an OS over TFTP
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263 [01:49:01] <brimonk> "clients that have an NFS root..." That's an interesting though...
264 [01:49:05] <RoyK> typical thin clients (in the unix era) usually use NFS to mount their roots and their OS
265 [01:49:07] <brimonk> How the heck would you manage that?
266 [01:49:17] <RoyK> google it
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271 [01:53:16] <brimonk> I didn't think that it would be possible because you'd need to have nfs entries within /etc/fstab, or the exports file or whatever, right?
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289 [02:07:00] <random_numbers> Hey there. Would anyone here have any advice for de-duplication software for anywhere between 50k to 150k pictures?
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291 [02:07:31] <random_numbers> I've been trying findimagedupes... but it segfaulted for whatever reason.
292 [02:08:54] <apb> RoyK: You wouldn't actually be running the OS over TFTP, it's just for booting it. You download a boot image and boot and run it locally.
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295 [02:09:34] <apb> bootp is another option
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307 [02:17:22] <random_numbers> No one?
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317 [02:22:21] <brimonk> random_numbers: You could use something called fdupes.
318 [02:22:33] <brimonk> I'm not sure if duplicate files is the same as duplicate images.
319 [02:23:19] <random_numbers> Sadly no, otherwise ssdeep would be a simple option.
320 [02:24:07] <brimonk> I didn't think so. You'd need something that would compute each pixel's vector, then compare that vector set to other vector sets for images that are like, 'pretty close, but not actually exact', right?
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323 [02:24:34] <random_numbers> Yeah. If you know of a java or python library that contains the required stuff I'm willing to deal with that.
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325 [02:26:22] <brimonk> I've found this, but I'm pretty sure that you've already done the google search... replaced-url
326 [02:26:30] <brimonk> And I don't really know where those get you.
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329 [02:26:45] <brimonk> But,
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331 [02:27:07] <brimonk> Those aren't REALLY image comparison things. They more so compare the hashes, then the bytes.
332 [02:27:10] <brimonk> Well...
333 [02:27:13] <brimonk> Actually,
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343 [02:31:50] <apb> brimonk: This should help you setup a full OS. replaced-url
344 [02:31:59] <brimonk> Find two images that are different, but look the same and see if fdupes would work. Just try it and see what happens.
345 [02:32:43] <brimonk> apb: But, is is possible to not have a hard drive or any storage device?
346 [02:32:59] <apb> brimonk: Of course it's geared for ubuntu but with a little head scratching you should be able to make it work for debian.
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348 [02:33:42] <RoyK> apb: no, you'd download a kernel and some helperthings and mount the thing over nfs
349 [02:33:58] <apb> brimonk: Yes. The next paragraph: This is handy if your client computers don't have CD or floppy drives, or if you want to set up multiple computers at the same time (e.g. in a large enterprise), or simply because you want to save the money for the CDs/DVDs. In this article I show how to configure a PXE server that allows you to boot multiple distributions: Ubuntu Edgy/Dapper, Debian Etch/Sarge, Fedora Core 6, CentOS 4.4, OpenSuSE 10.2, and Mandriva
350 [02:34:00] <apb> 2007.
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352 [02:36:06] <apb> RoyK: I haven't read the whole article so perhaps there's a mention of NFS somewhere...
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354 [02:36:42] <apb> RoyK: But from the synopis I just pasted... it doesn't seem so.... but I don't know the details so anything's possible :)
355 [02:36:52] <RoyK> apb: perhaps time to read up about it before you blarg out on "that's not true"
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358 [02:37:43] <apb> RoyK: You seem to be quoting something I'm unable to find in the history log.
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362 [02:39:18] <RoyK> apb: I've ran systems from pxe boot only at one time - but back then the rootfs was 32MB - somewhat embedded system - with a modern OS, you *really* don't want to do that, you want the kernel in place and NFS in the background to do the real shit
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367 [02:42:20] <apb> RoyK: I'm not saying you didn't do what you say. My comment was: [17:15] <apb> RoyK: You wouldn't actually be running the OS over TFTP, it's just for booting it. You download a boot image and boot and run it locally.
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370 [02:43:13] <RoyK> apb: sure, but you don't want to use tftp to download a 2GB image :P
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378 [02:46:45] <apb> RoyK: I don't know for a fact but I wouldn't be surprised if it was faster than NFS. Someone would have to test or research it.
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381 [02:47:37] <RoyK> apb: don't do that - you'll spend a lot of time downloading that image
382 [02:47:50] <RoyK> apb: and most of it won't be used actively
383 [02:47:59] <apb> RoyK: I don't know his intention, but TFTP should only be used over a LAN. So, that should be quite fast.
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385 [02:48:08] <apb> RoyK: Regardless of protocol used.
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387 [02:48:37] <RoyK> apb: just try it, ok?
388 [02:48:47] <apb> RoyK: That's up to him.
389 [02:49:04] <qman__> You don't have to use FTP for the whole image, I've set them up to use http
390 [02:49:23] <qman__> tftp*
391 [02:49:25] <apb> Why would http be any faster than ftp?
392 [02:49:40] <apb> oh crap I have to jam. Back later.
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394 [02:49:50] <qman__> Because FTP is a really basic, slow protocol
395 [02:49:52] <RoyK> qman__: we were talking about tftp
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397 [02:50:11] <qman__> tftp, sorry
398 [02:50:22] <qman__> Autocorrect
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403 [02:52:32] <qman__> You want to keep the TFTP image as small as you can because it transfers slow, but you can http download your actual image after the initial pxe boot, it works much better
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408 [02:58:14] <Muadabi> Hello, how i can install tlp on debian?
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410 [02:58:59] <Muadabi> I have use this guide: replaced-url
411 [02:59:24] <Muadabi> but I'm getting this: W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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443 [03:23:43] <zykotick9> Muadabi: i believe the prevailing opinion is tlp should "probably" be avoided... that said, i did have one use case where tlp did more the quiet the cpu-buzz of a librebooted x60 system then anything else i tried. just food for thought, good luck.
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448 [03:29:04] <zykotick9> Muadabi: crap... i went through my notes, i was running parabola (arch based) when i was playing with tlp...
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458 [03:37:10] <Muadabi> zykotick9: thanks for the advise
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510 [04:14:21] <Tiral> N3X15: what do you mean for visual feedback? try monit
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512 [04:15:47] <N3X15> I mean the old "Restarting whatever... [ OK ]"
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514 [04:16:11] <N3X15> Tiral, right now it just exits silently.
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516 [04:17:00] <Tiral> N3X15: monit
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518 [04:17:51] <N3X15> So there's no verbosity switch in the service command?
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523 [04:20:02] <somiaj> N3X15: service is just passing the command to systemctl I belive
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526 [04:21:01] <somiaj> N3X15: so with systemd just use systemctl instead, though its design is to just trigger systemd to restart the service in the background. Use systemctl status to see verbosity on a unit
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531 [04:24:48] <souravbadami> I'm getting umnet dependencies issue while installing python-dev.
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559 [04:41:26] <jmcnaught> souravbadami: can you make a paste of the error? see also "/msg dpkg bat" for additional troubleshooting information that will help
560 [04:44:02] <souravbadami> jmcnaught: Solved! The issue was with the source list. Thanks!
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562 [04:45:18] <jmcnaught> !next
563 [04:45:18] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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589 [05:02:08] * zykotick9 thought !next was only used for rage-quit situations... TIL it can be used for something else
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610 [05:30:37] <winny> Hello, has anybody created a custom initrd script to unlock a luks partition at boot on powerpc?
611 [05:30:50] <winny> (using a key on a usb drive)
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632 [05:49:02] <n_blownapart> anyone know of good mathematical software free for debian. anything similar to wolfram alpha out there?
633 [05:50:20] <RoyK> scipy?
634 [05:51:02] <n_blownapart> RoyK does that work anything like wolfram do you know?
635 [05:51:30] <n_blownapart> I mean, you need to write good python right I guess?
636 [05:51:31] <RoyK> I don't know wolfram, but scipy is rather close to matlab
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639 [05:51:59] <n_blownapart> RoyK thanks I installed it on another sys.
640 [05:52:19] <RoyK> I'm not a math geek - I just leared about it from some
641 [05:53:27] <RoyK> n_blownapart: btw, R is nice too, but more to statistics
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643 [05:54:16] <n_blownapart> RoyK, thanks I'm looking at this thing called mathbuntu. it includes sage and R
644 [05:54:28] <ryouma> scipy is python?
645 [05:54:54] <RoyK> ryouma: it's numpy with an overlay, yes, python
646 [05:55:11] <tom99> yeah but i don't know what the dependency is
647 [05:55:15] <tom99> scipy depends on numpy?
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649 [05:55:35] <RoyK> tom99: it uses numpy for the math stuff
650 [05:55:50] <n_blownapart> the big deal now is Jupyter notebooks ; notice the py in the spelling
651 [05:56:03] <tom99> mathematica and matlab are slightly different in focus. So I guess R, scipy, and maxima are all slightly different
652 [05:56:11] <n_blownapart> that runs with scipy numpy datascipy or what have you
653 [05:56:11] <tom99> But I can't tell what the differences are
654 [05:56:15] <ryouma> seems like python is taking over from c as the language you have to know
655 [05:56:28] <tom99> python is written in C though
656 [05:56:35] <tom99> and you can write modules for it in C also
657 [05:56:47] <n_blownapart> whats maxima?
658 [05:56:54] <tom99> another math system
659 [05:56:57] <tom99> it has lisp syntax
660 [05:57:07] <RoyK> tom99: a lot of the numpy modules are written in C or FORTRAN, but have a python interface
661 [05:57:19] <tom99> i'd like to see a comparison of these different tools
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664 [05:57:36] <tom99> I've heard sage is good because it's a conglomerate of a bunch of other programs.
665 [05:57:44] <n_blownapart> how to self-learn math? should I just buy the monthly wolfram alpha app that breaks down problems for you?
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668 [05:59:29] <tom99> i don't know. math is big
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674 [06:02:37] <n_blownapart> I found it. use anaconda (miniconda is super easy) to download jupyter notebooks with sage package. emath.org/question/32741/integrate-sage-jupyter-notebook-in-anaconda-python-distribution/
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676 [06:04:35] <n_blownapart> sorry thats sageemath.org/question/32741/integrate-sage-jupyter-notebook-in-anaconda-python-distribution/
677 [06:04:42] <n_blownapart> sagemath*
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739 [06:41:27] <deego> How do I install all packages starting with string S? I try apt-get install S.* but that includes all *S* packages
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741 [06:42:38] <RoyK> apt-get install s\*
742 [06:42:39] <morf> just s* ?
743 [06:42:42] <RoyK> perhasps
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746 [06:43:07] <morf> but it won't work because of the conflicts
747 [06:43:10] <RoyK> morf: that could match local files
748 [06:43:31] <morf> yeah sure escape the s**t out of it :)
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751 [06:45:12] <deego> hm, none of those options work as expected.
752 [06:45:57] <RoyK> deego: why would you install everything beginning with s?
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754 [06:46:27] <deego> RoyK: i meant s in the variable sense. Example: python-py.*
755 [06:46:35] <apb1963> deego: '^S*' perhaps.
756 [06:47:25] <RoyK> deego: pastebin the output of 'apt-get install python-py\*'
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758 [06:48:00] <RoyK> anyway - you probably don't need all of them
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760 [06:48:06] <apb1963> deego: use -s to simulate it
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763 [06:49:04] <apb1963> deego: My example includes the single, forward quotes.
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767 [06:49:53] <deego> apb1963: thanks. I will try it. I'd prefer to use apt-get, not aptitude. I wonder if it will work with that
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771 [06:50:00] <Aearnus> Hi, I'm having the most bizarre problem with my network drivers -- After having run an apt-get upgrade today, my network drivers (for the Broadcom BCM4352) stopped working around 10 minutes afterwards, spitting a lot of errors in `dmesg` saying "WLC_SCAN error (-22)"
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775 [06:52:17] <apb1963> deego: I don't know if it will work with either one. It's just something to try.
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778 [06:53:11] <apb1963> deego: The ^ (caret) or hat as some people say, means beginning, in regex aware programs.
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780 [06:53:55] <apb1963> deego: Whether any of the package mgmt tools are regex aware is something I don't know.
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895 [08:17:36] <mmcdermott> in my /etc/default/docker file i added DOCKER_OPTS="--dns 8.8.8.8 --dns 8.8.4.4 -g /mnt/storage/docker"
896 [08:17:47] <mmcdermott> but for some reason when i pull a image they do not go there
897 [08:17:50] <mmcdermott> how can i fix this?
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992 [09:16:55] <okdamn> what's the best solution to have custom domain email box without having to install your own mail server ?
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1005 [09:23:27] <jayaura> okdamn, tried zoho ? it free for a few users
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1008 [09:23:56] <okdamn> going to check it
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1023 [09:34:15] <bolt> !tell admin__ about nvidia
1024 [09:34:41] <admin__> bolt, ?
1025 [09:34:54] <bolt> admin__: check your pm's from dpkg
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1028 [09:35:37] <Dreaman> replaced-url
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1032 [09:36:56] <admin__> bolt, thank you
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1035 [09:37:07] <admin__> Dreaman, thank you
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1047 [09:41:44] <admin__> martysia what is your score ? i just started the test :)
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1053 [09:44:26] <SparkySquirrel> libboost-date-time1.55.0 : Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.6) but it is not going to be installed
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1055 [09:45:29] <dutchfish> ,version libboost-date-time1.55.0
1056 [09:45:30] <judd> Package: libboost-date-time1.55.0 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.55.0+dfsg-3
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1058 [09:45:55] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
1059 [09:45:55] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1060 [09:45:58] <jelly> SparkySquirrel: ^^
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1065 [09:49:14] <SparkySquirrel> jelly: AH libboost-date-time1.55.0 needs to be updated for unstable
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1067 [09:50:41] <SparkySquirrel> see here: replaced-url
1068 [09:51:07] <dutchfish> ,version boost-defaults
1069 [09:51:08] <judd> No package named 'boost-defaults' was found in amd64.
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1071 [09:51:36] <dutchfish> SparkySquirrel, unstable has 1.61.0.2 atm
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1073 [09:52:12] <dutchfish> SparkySquirrel, see alse replaced-url
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1075 [09:52:23] <SparkySquirrel> erm so swift-im then needs to be recompiled then
1076 [09:52:31] <jelly> SparkySquirrel: why are you mixing stable and unstable?
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1078 [09:52:37] <jelly> that's almost never a good idea
1079 [09:53:35] <SparkySquirrel> well erm ok
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1081 [09:54:02] <jelly> but yes that libswiften2 will have to be rebuilt
1082 [09:54:23] <jelly> !debian-next
1083 [09:54:23] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1084 [09:54:42] <SparkySquirrel> this is good? replaced-url
1085 [09:55:13] <jelly> it's good if you want to make a mess?
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1088 [09:56:07] <jelly> if you run a testing/unstable mix to help debian get a new release, best to get the stable bits out
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1092 [09:56:27] <SparkySquirrel> how do I know which packages are from stable?
1093 [09:57:02] <jelly> can you answer WHY you are using stable at all?
1094 [09:57:12] <SparkySquirrel> to get swift-im
1095 [09:57:45] <jelly> that seems impossible at the moment
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1097 [09:59:00] <jelly> read #822131
1098 [09:59:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1100 [09:59:11] <SparkySquirrel> dang
1101 [09:59:16] <jelly> and try help the maintainer fix it
1102 [09:59:16] <SparkySquirrel> so it's a recode then
1103 [09:59:19] <SparkySquirrel> for a new boost
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1106 [10:00:10] <jelly> nod
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1108 [10:02:16] <jelly> since the maintainer hasn't done a thing about it in 4 months, they may also need other help with packaging who knows
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1111 [10:03:06] <SparkySquirrel> lol right now my internet's all slow because I'm at my dad's...
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1149 [10:25:57] <souravbadami> How to fix this in chromium browser > Google.co.in offered in: हिन्दी বাংলা తెలుగు मराठी தமிழ் ગુજરાતી ಕನ್ನಡ മലയാളം ਪੰਜਾਬੀ
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1153 [10:27:04] <nkuttler> souravbadami: install whatever font you need?
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1155 [10:27:19] <nkuttler> which language is that anyway?
1156 [10:27:20] <dutchfish> souravbadami, ask there support, but there are issues with 53.0.2785.92 that i am aware off
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1158 [10:27:54] <nkuttler> fwiw, the site looks just fine to me
1159 [10:27:56] <dutchfish> souravbadami, i expect an update very soon
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1168 [10:34:35] <souravbadami> nkuttler: Set of different languages in India,
1169 [10:35:01] <dutchfish> souravbadami, not only in India
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1173 [10:36:35] <dutchfish> souravbadami, and there are more regressions in it
1174 [10:37:10] <dutchfish> souravbadami, .94 or higher should fix it
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1177 [10:37:49] <dutchfish> souravbadami, fyi i am just an enduser too
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1180 [10:38:58] <martin___> hi,
1181 [10:38:58] <Joost> I want to downgrade a package from backports back to stable, but some things depend on it
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1185 [10:39:06] <Joost> if I apt-get remove, all the dependants also get removed
1186 [10:39:12] <Joost> (including my window manager..)
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1188 [10:39:13] <malinus> Hello there. I have jessie debian running on an embedded device. I'm having driver problems with this device replaced-url
1189 [10:39:23] <Joost> how would I go about going back to a previous version?
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1192 [10:39:42] <malinus> lsmod, doesn't show the 8812au, but when I try to modprobe it, it says "it's already in the kernel". No idea what's up with that
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1195 [10:41:29] <dutchfish> Joost, that depends, if your wm is from backports, it will be hard. You have to find out all the dependecies first. Making a backup now is not a bad idea.
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1197 [10:42:31] <Joost> dutchfish: it's not
1198 [10:42:53] <Joost> the only thing I did was upgrade the dependency library
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1200 [10:43:04] <dutchfish> Joost, then you start by pointing your /etc/apt/sources.list back to stable only. Aptitude in interactive mode will tell you what packages are from bpo after an aptitude update first.
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1202 [10:43:37] <Joost> ah, I was perhaps not complete; I have some other things from backports..
1203 [10:43:38] <dutchfish> Joost, which one
1204 [10:43:49] <Joost> but in this specific scenario, it's about one lib and a bunch of things that depend on it
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1206 [10:44:18] <Joost> i.e. got libegl1-mesa from backports (because something else pulled it in), and now apt-get install libegl1-mesa/jessie suggests to remove gdm3
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1208 [10:44:51] <dutchfish> Joost, that bunch can be alot, but anyway, point your source file to stable and run aptitude update, then aptitude in interactive mode in investigate what has been installed form bpo
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1210 [10:45:26] <dutchfish> ,version gdm3
1211 [10:45:27] <judd> Package: gdm3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.1-8; jessie: 3.14.1-7; stretch: 3.20.1-1; sid: 3.21.90-1
1212 [10:45:35] <Adam1221> anyone can help me executing a script before login? /etc/gdm3/Init/Default is buggy!
1213 [10:46:08] <Joost> dutchfish: I'm aware what's installed from backports, and it's a long list
1214 [10:46:11] <dutchfish> Joost, there is no gdm3 from bpo, so that is prolly only because it depends either on packages form stable or bpo
1215 [10:46:17] <Joost> dutchfish: precisely
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1217 [10:46:25] <dutchfish> Joost, thats normal
1218 [10:46:32] <Joost> dutchfish: so there should not be a problem running gdm3 with the mesa versoin from stable
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1220 [10:46:36] <Joost> dutchfish: the problem is how to ge tthere
1221 [10:46:43] <dutchfish> Joost, downgrading is normally not supported, but can be done
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1223 [10:46:50] <notwithstanding> 9gb for debian iso ?
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1225 [10:47:26] <dutchfish> Joost, manually override it, aptitude will suggest, just dont accept it, until it leaves an option where it keeps gdm3 unaltered
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1227 [10:47:58] <Joost> dutchfish: when I apt-get install libegl1-mesa/jessie to override it, it says it'll both downgrade libegl1-mesa (good thing) and remove gdm3 et al (bad thing)
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1229 [10:48:07] <dutchfish> Joost, but start to write down anything that is from bpo and walk down the dependecy road, before you start actually doing it
1230 [10:48:15] <Joost> dutchfish: same thing when I 'force version' through the synaptic GUI
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1232 [10:48:48] <dutchfish> Joost, dont use synaptic for that, i suggest to use aptitude NOT apt-get on this
1233 [10:48:52] <Joost> dutchfish: good call.. but atm I'm not at a point yet where I know how to actually replace the lib while presering its dependants
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1235 [10:49:57] <dutchfish> Joost, again you are on your own on this, you have to write out all the depencies first and know how they interact, at some point you find the key package that should not be removed because it is from stable. Anthing down that tree will be hold as well then.
1236 [10:50:26] <dutchfish> Joost, aptitude in interactive mode is your friend
1237 [10:50:56] <Joost> ok, I'll give it a whirl
1238 [10:51:03] <Joost> thanks
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1240 [10:51:12] <dutchfish> Joost, if you have more specific question, paste it to pastebin
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1242 [10:51:20] <dutchfish> Joost, yw
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1244 [10:51:42] <Adam1221> guys anyone can help me executing a script before login? /etc/gdm3/Init/Default is buggy!
1245 [10:51:46] <dutchfish> Joost, downgrading is hairy stuff
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1249 [10:53:03] <Joost> dutchfish: it seems so..
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1251 [10:53:44] <Joost> dutchfish: the problem originates from me trying to compile other code that depends on an older versoin of a lib that's since been upgraded by bpo
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1254 [10:54:17] <Joost> well, the problem originates from me not proprely managing bpo packages vs stable packages, of course :P
1255 [10:54:44] <dutchfish> Joost, tip: build debian packages, not code
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1262 [10:55:56] <dutchfish> Joost, removing and installing your home brew packages is handsdown the best option, not to break your system
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1270 [10:56:58] <dutchfish> Joost, or easely repair it, when a home brew one messes it up
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1281 [11:01:38] <souravbadami> How to add ctrl+alt+T as terminal shortcut ?
1282 [11:01:44] <souravbadami> 8.5 Jessie
1283 [11:01:51] <Joost> hmm.. it appears that *none* of the dependants it wants to remove (as listed in replaced-url
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1285 [11:03:38] <dutchfish> Joost, then aptitude remove {foo} | dont accept the proposed option until aptitude suggest to leave the rest alone, after that you install that same one form stable. (but not before you have pointed your apt source file to stable only and have done an aptitude update)
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1289 [11:05:27] <dutchfish> Joost, that way you dont hose up the package manager
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1291 [11:05:58] <Joost> that looks promising
1292 [11:06:15] <Joost> can I both remove and install a previous version in one 'resolution' step?
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1294 [11:06:55] <Joost> it seems to only suggest (a few variations on) the 'lets delete everything' resolution
1295 [11:07:08] <dutchfish> Joost, not on this one, but you can do something like this: `aptitude update && aptitude remove {foo} && aptitude install {foo}`
1296 [11:07:42] <dutchfish> Joost, its the same as you do it in sepearte steps, you still have to deny the options that remove the whole tree
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1298 [11:07:56] <Joost> if I deny that option, it does not want to remove libegl1-mesa..
1299 [11:08:26] <Joost> hence I get stuck trying to remove the bpo version
1300 [11:08:27] <dutchfish> Joost, then you do that one in a separate step, same drill
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1303 [11:09:05] <Joost> I cannot; `aptitude remove libegl1-mesa` simply tells me to remove the whole tree, or aborts
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1305 [11:09:34] <dutchfish> Joost, are you sure libegl1-mesa is indeed from stable?
1306 [11:09:53] <Joost> no, that is precisely the problem
1307 [11:09:58] <Joost> it's from bpo, and I want to downgrade it to stable
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1311 [11:11:56] <dutchfish> Joost, you can do that (ones you have pointed apt to stable only & and have done aptitude update) by `aptitude autoclean && aptitude reinstall {foo}`
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1319 [11:13:12] <dutchfish> Joost, that is if the dependecies are from stable atm
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1328 [11:16:17] <Joost> dutchfish: the dependencies of libegl1-mesa?
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1330 [11:16:54] <dutchfish> Joost, if nothing else work you can use --ignore-depends as an option, but it will breka your system if you still have packages as deps down that tree from bpo
1331 [11:17:16] <dutchfish> Joost, yes
1332 [11:17:30] <dutchfish> Joost, run time deps
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1338 [11:18:27] <Joost> hmm, after modifying sources and autoclean, I now get E: Can't find a source to download version '11.1.3-1~bpo8+1' of 'libegl1-mesa:amd64' when re-installing
1339 [11:18:55] <dutchfish> Joost, here are all the deps in stable for that one replaced-url
1340 [11:19:07] <dutchfish> Joost, its quiet alot
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1342 [11:19:35] <dutchfish> Joost, have you correct /etc/apt/sources/list ?
1343 [11:19:44] <dutchfish> oops
1344 [11:20:14] <dutchfish> Joost, /etc/apt/sources.list
1345 [11:20:30] <Joost> yeah
1346 [11:20:52] <dutchfish> Joost, and have done aptitude update?
1347 [11:21:22] <Joost> yes
1348 [11:21:56] <dutchfish> Joost, then you have a r-depend on that version of bpo
1349 [11:22:35] <dutchfish> Joost, `aptitude why libegl1-mesa` will tell you
1350 [11:22:39] <Joost> what's an r-depend?
1351 [11:22:58] <dutchfish> Joost, another package that depends on libegl1-mesa from bpo
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1353 [11:23:24] <Joost> it just tells me `i vlc Depends libegl1-mesa (>= 7.8.1) | libegl1-x11`, and 7.8.1 is way below the -mesa from stable
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1356 [11:24:06] <Joost> (after removing vlc, another one shows up depending on 7.8.1+
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1368 [11:26:22] <dutchfish> Joost, stop now, i need pastebin to judge what is happening, you probably have alot more form bpo, i am not completely gone walk you through, that could take hours
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1372 [11:27:07] <dutchfish> Joost, make a complete list what is installed from bpo
1373 [11:27:25] <dutchfish> Joost, then come back with that paste
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1375 [11:27:53] <cybrNaut> pastebin is a bad choice, fyi, because many are blocked from that site. sprunge.us is better (it's open to all)
1376 [11:28:12] <dutchfish> !pastebin
1377 [11:28:12] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1379 [11:28:48] <dutchfish> cybrNaut, maybe someone should update that factoid then
1380 [11:28:59] <dutchfish> cybrNaut, thanks
1381 [11:29:10] <phaer> I am using debian stretch with i915 (and nvidia with bumblebee) and my second screen stays blank after activating it. It gets listed by xrandr -q and I can move my mouse there. The screens power indicator says its running, but it stays black. The same screen works well with another machine over HDMI and the logs seem to be clean. Any suggestions on how to investigate this further?
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1384 [11:30:02] <cybrNaut> dutchfish: actually those services are fine.. it's the literal pastebin.com that's a problem
1385 [11:30:31] <dutchfish> cybrNaut, ah, i had no problems with paste.debian.net
1386 [11:31:58] <cybrNaut> indeed. It's just a shame that "pastebin" has common verb usage, but the service it came from has become a problem for the free world
1387 [11:32:07] <dutchfish> cybrNaut, yup
1388 [11:32:22] <dutchfish> cybrNaut, thanks for the headsup
1389 [11:32:30] <cybrNaut> np
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1397 [11:37:30] <dutchfish> Joost, one more tip, sometimes it is alot easier to just backup and start a fresh install, if there are alot of packages from bpo that could much more timeconsuming then a fresh install, depending on what you have done in the past.
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1401 [11:38:15] <dutchfish> Joost, specially mesa is hard to downgrade with all its deps
1402 [11:38:40] <dutchfish> Joost, if you are new to this
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1405 [11:39:08] <dutchfish> Joost, your choice
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1417 [11:42:43] <jusss> is there a debian distro for tablets?
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1420 [11:43:15] <jusss> I mean intel baytrail tablets not arm
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1426 [11:48:03] <dutchfish> jusss, you could ask #debian-mobile, also see replaced-url
1427 [11:48:29] <jusss> dutchfish: ok
1428 [11:49:00] <jusss> dutchfish: there's no one...
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1430 [11:49:47] <dutchfish> jusss, or consult its mailinglist
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1434 [11:50:34] <dutchfish> jusss, replaced-url
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1437 [11:53:19] <jusss> ok
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1455 [12:01:23] <jim_carry> Do you use wheezy on your personal computer?
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1467 [12:05:21] <jusss> me?
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1471 [12:06:22] <jim_carry> Do you guys use wheezy on your personal computer?
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1473 [12:07:08] <jusss> I did
1474 [12:07:14] <jim_carry> How it is?
1475 [12:07:16] <jusss> but I use jessie now
1476 [12:07:30] <jusss> wheezy is good
1477 [12:07:53] <jim_carry> Is it safe to use jessie on production?
1478 [12:07:56] <jusss> and it uses sys-v init not systemd
1479 [12:08:25] <jusss> what production?
1480 [12:08:39] <jim_carry> for server
1481 [12:08:58] <jusss> yes, I think it's safe for that
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1566 [12:43:07] <Dreaman> zdrasti
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1622 [13:26:28] <cdb23ax> hello can someone help me with performance troubleshooting? i have a counter-strike global offensive gameserver running and it does not run smooth in fact there are huge lagspikes. the sv value goes up to 50
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1625 [13:27:37] <cdb23ax> even if only 1 player is on the server without any bots. the cpu usage is around 5% but still issues
1626 [13:28:29] <ThisIsZenified> it depends on network
1627 [13:28:42] <ThisIsZenified> if you are on s*** hosting or ISP, it'd suck
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1629 [13:29:39] <Dreaman> in america isp is a jocke
1630 [13:29:52] <jandro> Hello everyone. I am on Debian 8.5. I need X forwarding over SSH after doing a ‘su -‘, to this effect I know I can add the user’s magic cookie from the root prompt, but it will only work for the current SSH session. Is there a way to make the root login “inherit” such cookie automatically for every user login? thanks
1631 [13:29:53] <Dreaman> low speed and meni $
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1644 [13:37:52] <f-a> rw------- 1 f f 64G Sep 3 13:25 .xsession-errors <-- how to avoid this
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1650 [13:39:56] <f-a> (as in, is there a way to tell X "please don't mushroom .xsession-errors"?)
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1658 [13:45:55] <RoyK> f-a: fixing the X problems may help ;)
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1662 [13:47:36] <f-a> RoyK: that's what I will do, but still I hoped to have it configured somehow (rotate? eliminate entried older than x days, etc.)
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1664 [13:49:19] <RoyK> f-a: not sure, really. there might be something in the config... replaced-url
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1708 [14:09:19] <hk238> hello ^^
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1710 [14:09:53] <hk238> i've been lookking for a distribution to switch to and was planning to try debian next, is there some recommendable branch or should I just try the default ? :d
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1712 [14:10:50] <dvs> hk238, use the stable version
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1715 [14:13:41] <hk238> is the stable version what you get if you stumble onto debian.org and download something ? :D
1716 [14:13:48] <Dreaman> new pc or laptop is not good stable
1717 [14:14:30] <Dreaman> to old
1718 [14:15:01] <subegin> use testing
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1721 [14:16:14] <dvs> hk238, yes, it's the link in the top right-hand corner.
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1723 [14:17:18] <hk238> oh cool, actually I didnt notice the link, but instead clicked through until there was a choice architechture (which I didnt know before googling) and then I got something with `xfce`
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1726 [14:18:26] <subegin> \++
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1732 [14:21:03] <hk238> well I think it's gonna work out.... brb going to try and install ^^
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1746 [14:35:49] <tdn> I just rebooted my remote server and after this, it does not boot. I think grub may be installed on the wrong device. I can booot the server up on a rescue image, but I am not sure how to actually fix this. I hope you can help.
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1756 [14:42:03] <tdn> pingveno, remember our chat a few days back about grub? I tried rebooting. It did not come up :(
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1788 [15:05:01] <tdn> I got a remote KVM attached. It does come to GRUB boot menu, however, it says this when trying to boot: Loading linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 - error: invalid magic number. - Loading initial ramdisk... - error: you need to load the kernel first.
1789 [15:05:12] <tdn> replaced-url
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1791 [15:05:27] <tdn> pingfloyd, remember our chat a few days back about grub? I tried rebooting. It did not come up :(
1792 [15:05:35] <tdn> pingveno, sorry, it was for pingfloyd
1793 [15:05:56] <RoyK> tdn: try another kernel if you have one
1794 [15:06:20] <tdn> RoyK, I do not have one in the grub menu
1795 [15:06:31] <tdn> RoyK, only the most recent + recovery mode.
1796 [15:06:35] <tdn> Both with same kernel version.
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1799 [15:07:10] <RoyK> tdn: what did you do before this happened?
1800 [15:08:08] <tdn> RoyK, I did an apt-get upgrade at one point. And it updated grub-pc. So then I got this: replaced-url
1801 [15:08:25] <tdn> RoyK, the post is not by me, but it is the same screen I got.
1802 [15:08:35] <tdn> RoyK, I also selected sda and sdb.
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1810 [15:13:26] <novatojessie> i have a 64 gig usb pendrive that is going to be used to store files whose size is over 5 gigabytes each. I use debian but the pendrive will be shared with a friend who uses windows10. what file system shall i use to format the pendrive?
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1819 [15:16:09] <RoyK> tdn: sorry - don't know
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1835 [15:26:11] <tdn> I have chrooted into my original rootfs. When I do update-grub now from inside, it says: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. full output: replaced-url
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1842 [15:27:35] <Joost> dutchfish: I ended up resolving the mess, but I had to break a few loops using `apt-get download` and `dpkg -i`..
1843 [15:27:44] <Joost> dutchfish: all's well that ends well I guess
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1845 [15:28:01] <ByteStorm> hello
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1849 [15:29:05] <ByteStorm> tdn: try doing cat /proc/mdstat
1850 [15:29:32] <ByteStorm> and ls -la /dev/md0
1851 [15:29:53] <tdn> ByteStorm, replaced-url
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1853 [15:30:15] <ByteStorm> try this: replaced-url
1854 [15:30:28] <ByteStorm> tdn ^^
1855 [15:30:53] <tdn> ByteStorm, ls: replaced-url
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1857 [15:32:00] <ByteStorm> maybe tht looks ok
1858 [15:32:03] <tdn> ByteStorm, I did this. mdadm already installed.
1859 [15:32:23] <ByteStorm> thn also?it doesnt work?
1860 [15:32:33] <ByteStorm> !pastebin
1861 [15:32:33] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1864 [15:33:51] <ByteStorm> tdn: you can also ask in ##linux
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1866 [15:34:40] <tdn> ByteStorm, replaced-url
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1869 [15:34:59] <tdn> ByteStorm, I already tried asking in ##linux
1870 [15:35:13] <ByteStorm> idk,wait for the others
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1872 [15:35:25] <tdn> ByteStorm, do you know about the device.map?
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1874 [15:35:46] <tdn> ByteStorm, can this be due to the fact that I use lvm?
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1876 [15:35:55] <ByteStorm> i had tried playing with grub b4,but i didnt face your problem
1877 [15:36:07] <ByteStorm> idk tdn,i dont use lvm
1878 [15:36:21] <tdn> ByteStorm, ok
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1881 [15:36:51] <ByteStorm> dont wrry tdn,hav some patience
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1928 [15:55:50] <Lionyx> hello, I want my user to be able to write into the brightness file on /sys/class... in order to control it. If i chmod a+w, it works, but as soon as i reboot, no more permissions... is there a group I can put my user to control it?
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1944 [16:01:46] <Lionyx> I tried to install gpm, but I've got an error that says: "there's no /dev/input/mice", and really, there's nothing there. Is it a kernel or a udev problem?
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1962 [16:14:01] <tdn> bysin, why did you have dpkg tell me about pastebin? Am I only allowed to use one of the mentioned pastebins?
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1967 [16:16:29] <tdn> I am trying to do an update-initramfs, but it says: update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 has been altered. update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option.
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1970 [16:16:45] <tdn> bysin, sorry that was for bytestorm
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1980 [16:19:36] <malinus> Hello there. I have drivers required for my device (8812au, for the replaced-url
1981 [16:19:40] <malinus> rtl8812au/os_dep/linux/usb_intf.c, and I can see the 001:3318 of the devices driver before compiling. Still nothing happens. Are there other places in the kernel where the usb_id<->driver is linked? Or could it kbe something else?
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1985 [16:23:29] <c23omega> hello everybody! I have a problem with the kvm kernel module (used with qemu + libvirt + openstack). when i try to start a new instance the kernel module produces an error: replaced-url
1986 [16:23:48] <c23omega> can anybody give me a hint how i can work around this?
1987 [16:24:09] <c23omega> (jessie, kernel 3.16.7)
1988 [16:24:12] <tdn> Is there any way of installing an older kernel version in wheezy? I have linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 installed. I would like to install an older one. But noone seems to be available via apt-cache search
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1995 [16:26:10] <tdn> I cannot boot my system, so I booted up on rescue image and then chroot into rootfs. I then tried reinstalling the kernel package. This got me these errors: replaced-url
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2005 [16:30:36] <stoned> I'm guessing nothing is wrong with debian, but this 8 year old machine.
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2067 [17:07:30] <julius_> isnt it great when other projects provide lines for sources.list and then a "apt update && apt install packetfense" says: unable to locate packet packetfesen....terrific: replaced-url
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2158 [17:51:32] <hk238> hello finally managed to install debian it took forever though, might have something to do with that I selected multiple desktop environments in the progress..
2159 [17:51:33] <hk238> :D
2160 [17:52:00] <hk238> speaking of which... I can't decide which desktop environment I should be using
2161 [17:52:10] <han-solo> hey, now you have them all :)
2162 [17:52:28] <han-solo> which one are you familiar with?
2163 [17:52:28] <hk238> :d
2164 [17:52:29] <han-solo> GNOME?
2165 [17:52:47] <hk238> Since I've been using mostly mint this far, isn't it called cinnamon? I'm not sure
2166 [17:53:00] <hk238> then I just tried Kali linux and Parrot OS and Security Onion for a short bit
2167 [17:53:29] <hk238> I'm not sure this works.. like for an example I got this applications menu in the top left now, is that specific to XCFE ?
2168 [17:53:40] <rt> hi, can someone guide me on how to recursively grant folder permissions to a single user?
2169 [17:53:46] <han-solo> so it doesn't really matter now, which one you choose :)
2170 [17:53:56] <hk238> oh
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2172 [17:54:30] <han-solo> rt: Di you checked the manpage?
2173 [17:54:41] <rt> Yes, it's a bit confusing for me
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2175 [17:55:08] <hk238> Can I still install gnome though, I didnt choose that in the installation ? :o
2176 [17:55:09] <han-solo> -R
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2182 [17:56:02] <uniTosch> hk238: just run tasksel.
2183 [17:56:34] <hk238> what's tasksel? :o
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2185 [17:57:17] <uniTosch> hk238: you can run it in a terminal. it's the same tool you see during installation.
2186 [17:57:27] <hk238> oh I see that's nice
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2188 [17:57:34] <hk238> I tried running it form the application menu ^^
2189 [17:57:49] <uniTosch> i should have mentioned that :3
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2197 [17:59:40] <hk238> hmm it doesnt seem to work though, it says debconf failed to run. Is that because I'm not logged in as root or something?
2198 [17:59:51] <hk238> oh yeah it says permission denied so that must be it
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2201 [18:00:36] <hk238> hmm so this is weird, I cant apparently use the root password when logged in as a user with a specific password when trying to run something from a terminal, but when starting for an example packagemanager, it does seem to work? Is there some logic to that? :o
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2204 [18:02:15] <uniTosch> not sure what you mean, but you can just type su, then the root password or install sudo.
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2206 [18:02:43] <lviana> /SET autolog_path ~/.irssi/logs/$tag/$0.log
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2210 [18:03:09] <hk238> I tried sudo, but it says the user is not listed as a sudoer.. huh? :d
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2216 [18:04:47] <jelly> hk238: use "su -" to open a shell as root
2217 [18:04:47] <tremon> hk238: if you provide a root password during setup, sudo is not configured automatically. use su and adduser $your_user sudo
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2219 [18:05:14] <hk238> hm :d
2220 [18:05:44] <zykotick9> hk238: note, after tremon's directions, log out and log back in to apply.
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2225 [18:06:29] <hk238> does that mean the account becomes equivalent to a root account? :o
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2233 [18:07:53] <tremon> not sure what you're asking exactly (which account, and following which action?), but no account is equivalent to root unless its uid is 0
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2243 [18:08:57] <hk238> I mean like currently the root password and the user password are not the same, although I*m both accounts, but if I make the user account like, adduser to sudo, then does it mean the privileges are the same? :o
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2251 [18:09:32] <jelly> hk238: no, it doesn't
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2253 [18:09:52] <jelly> it does give you a different way to run stuff as root when needed
2254 [18:09:53] <tremon> no. "sudo" is simply a group that allows the user to use sudo to change to any other account
2255 [18:10:08] <tremon> (in the default debian configuration)
2256 [18:10:25] <hk238> hmm :d I guess I dont really understand how it works.. :D
2257 [18:11:29] <uniTosch> hk238: that user gets added to the sudo group. the default sudoers file allows members of that group to use sudo.
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2264 [18:13:17] <han-solo> sudo -> run privileged operation once
2265 [18:13:17] <han-solo> su -> run as many as you like
2266 [18:13:17] <han-solo> i didn't install sudo
2267 [18:13:17] <han-solo> and if you want something like sudo, without sudo,
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2269 [18:13:51] <tremon> sudo works the same as su, but allows more granular control. Also, it defaults to asking the user's password instead of root's, so if you want to use two different passwords, don't use sudo or configure it differently
2270 [18:14:02] <RoyK> he was kicked ;)
2271 [18:14:23] <hk238> doh ^^ that's what you get for helping people :d
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2273 [18:15:49] <hk238> I think I might understand it a little bit better.. and also added the user to the sudo group with the command tremon mentioned or ` adduser `
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2276 [18:16:40] <han-solo> hmm? :/
2277 [18:16:51] <jelly> hk238: also, if you changed a user's group memberships, that user needs to log off and back on for changes to become active
2278 [18:17:10] <hk238> gotta set up the GUI to look nice but it takes time and have to figure out which desktop environment to start using.. am I being delusional thinking that KDE seems to have extra customizability, and gnome might be a little slow? Or at least I thought the version of Kali linux I installed was slow, and then therewas this extensions like `dash to dock` which seemed to be slowish and the OS was slow in general
2279 [18:17:43] <jelly> pick whichever DE you like.
2280 [18:18:30] <hk238> I have trouble understanding what the differences are though.. and it would be troublesome to spend a many hours configuring it to note that should've gone with another DE?.. or is it more like that you can blend them together? I dont really understand how it works yet
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2282 [18:18:39] <han-solo> why did i get kicked? (just for the record)
2283 [18:18:51] <jelly> hk238: you can try one for a couple weeks, then try a different one
2284 [18:18:56] <tremon> han-solo: typing too fast
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2286 [18:18:59] <han-solo> so that i can not repeat it in the future
2287 [18:19:05] <jelly> han-solo: 4+ lines in quick succession
2288 [18:19:10] <hk238> yeah that's possible, but I'm not patient like that
2289 [18:19:12] <hk238> :D
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2291 [18:19:18] <han-solo> ah
2292 [18:19:22] <tremon> or possibly your client had issues, buffered your lines and sent them in one go
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2294 [18:19:30] <RoyK> dpkg: tell han-solo about pastebin
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2296 [18:19:34] <han-solo> nah, the former sounds about right
2297 [18:19:35] <jelly> press <Enter> less, type out complete thoughts instead
2298 [18:19:37] * uniTosch casually throws awesome-wm into the pot.
2299 [18:19:52] <han-solo> roger that!
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2302 [18:21:31] <hk238> is it possible to get that `hot corners` feature enabled somehow? Like is there package that I Could download? I got really used to being able to minimize the windows with bottom right corner, and it's weird if you need to use keyboard for accessing the desktop :d
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2306 [18:22:28] <hk238> customizable panels seem pretty nice :D
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2312 [18:24:04] <hk238> oh that's right, I forgot, sound isn't working.. and I should probably check the graphics drivers too, I don't even know if it's using the onboard card or the slot card, not that it makes much of a difference, they're both old, and Im not doing planning on doing anything graphics intensive
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2328 [18:40:07] <ath1> I cannot install xpra. This is what apt-get tells me when I try to:
2329 [18:40:14] <ath1> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
2330 [18:40:14] <ath1> xpra : Depends: xserver-xorg-video-dummy but it is not going to be installed
2331 [18:40:14] <ath1> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
2332 [18:40:38] <ath1> I'm on raspbian jessie. Can anybody help me with this?
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2340 [18:42:11] <JPT> ath1: Try to explicitly install that package. Either it will work or provide further error messages. :)
2341 [18:42:19] <hk238> hey is it possible to remove the floppy disk icon?
2342 [18:42:19] <JPT> apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-dummy
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2345 [18:42:44] <elliot007> hey i'm getting this weird black strip
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2347 [18:42:51] <elliot007> replaced-url
2348 [18:43:01] <hk238> I mean thi scomputer is from like 2007 and it doesn't have a floppy drive, and it's 2016, I'm pretty confident I won't need it any time soon either :D I'm not trying to sound like complaining though, juts making a joke
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2350 [18:43:56] <ath1> JPT: that didnt do it:
2351 [18:43:57] <ath1> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
2352 [18:43:57] <ath1> xserver-xorg-video-dummy : Depends: xorg-video-abi-18
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2354 [18:44:03] <JPT> hk238: Check your bios settings. Perhaps you did not disable the floppy interface on the mainboard. :)
2355 [18:44:31] <hk238> heh that's possible, but even if it was there, can you still the remove the ico?
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2357 [18:44:56] <JPT> elliot007: Not an expert on window manager settings, but i think your window manager is responsible. Check your theme related settings?
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2361 [18:45:32] <ath1> For "apt-get install xorg-video-abi-18" the error has changed:
2362 [18:45:33] <ath1> Package xorg-video-abi-18 is a virtual package provided by:
2363 [18:45:33] <ath1> xserver-xorg-core 2:1.16.4-1 [Not candidate version]
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2365 [18:46:17] <JPT> hk238: I guess there would be a way. Depends on how that icon gets there in the first place. Unfortunately, i have no idea. I use udisks on my computer for a similar purpose.
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2367 [18:46:54] <elliot007> JPT: I'm using gnome and all the defaults are enabled gtk window and all
2368 [18:47:26] <JPT> ath1: I am not sure if installing that package aswell will fix things because it sounds like you have multiple entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list (or additional ones in /etc/apt/sources.list.d), which may create a dependency hell
2369 [18:48:07] <JPT> elliot007: It is about the black window top bar of the console window that currently has no focus, right?
2370 [18:48:18] <dx486> I am using Eclipse on debian jessie to learn Java. I did not install Oracle's SDK. I am using openjdk. Now I want to try JavaFX and Scene Builder. What is the proper way of getting it?
2371 [18:48:45] <elliot007> JPT: yeah
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2373 [18:49:54] <ath1> JPT: In I installed xserver-xorg-core manuallyJPT I got:
2374 [18:49:55] <JPT> elliot007: I have no idea if it is part of the 'default' theme for gnome ... It doesn't really look like a graphical glitch
2375 [18:49:55] <ath1> deb replaced-url
2376 [18:50:03] <elliot007> well i installed i3 side -by side with gnome for few days and then i removed it after that its happeninh
2377 [18:50:17] <ath1> JPT: In /etc/apt/sources.list there is:
2378 [18:50:18] <ath1> deb replaced-url
2379 [18:50:34] <ath1> I didnt change anything there
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2381 [18:51:28] <JPT> ath1: I /assume/ that these two should not conflict with each other. Did installing the package manually help?
2382 [18:51:32] <hk238> brb changing client now that I got kvirc compiled
2383 [18:51:35] <Penix> dx486: maybe openjfx
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2389 [18:52:32] <elliot007> ath1: replaced-url
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2391 [18:52:48] <ath1> JPT: no it didnt help. How can I make apt-get ignore depedencies?
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2394 [18:52:59] <JPT> elliot007: It sounds like that may actually be what caused it. Perhaps i3 brought its own ... gtk? theme settings and now it looks weird within gnome.
2395 [18:53:25] <elliot007> yep but i've removed everything even lxappearance
2396 [18:53:37] <elliot007> ath1: oh sorry i send you the debian one
2397 [18:54:06] <ath1> elliot007: dont bother, I managed to install this package manually
2398 [18:54:18] <elliot007> oh cool then
2399 [18:54:26] <ath1> but I still cannot install xpra
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2401 [18:55:32] <elliot007> ath1: found this
2402 [18:55:35] <elliot007> replaced-url
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2405 [18:57:06] <ath1> hmm, compiling myself
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2408 [18:57:21] <ath1> I hoped to get around this
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2433 [19:06:02] <cakruege> hi
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2437 [19:06:36] <cakruege> I'm looking for debian on cubox-1. replaced-url
2438 [19:06:47] <cakruege> I found the page but have no debian image to start from
2439 [19:06:55] <cakruege> the files on solidrun are gone
2440 [19:07:20] <cakruege> does anyone has an idea how to bootstrap?
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2443 [19:09:02] <meowshwitz> cakruege: #cubox
2444 [19:09:26] <meowshwitz> I should find something to do with my cubox
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2448 [19:10:35] <cakruege> @meoshwitz: thx, I
2449 [19:10:40] <cakruege> I'll try
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2455 [19:13:57] <choice> Hello! I still try to repair my Grub config after it was destroyed during an "apt-get update".
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2457 [19:14:29] <choice> Looking at a similar machine, I wonder why there is nothing about encryption in the grub.cfg
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2459 [19:15:00] <choice> How does Grub handle encryption? Which option triggers the user to ask for a password and then decrypt the encrypted partition?
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2461 [19:15:52] <choice> Or is there more to the boot partition? Is it a whole OS so to say and loads dm-crypt via some other config files?
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2491 [19:28:45] <choice> Ok, guess I have to wipe that machine and reinstall.
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2493 [19:29:10] <choice> Is there a way to install multiple OSes on a machine without them sharing the same boot partition?
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2495 [19:29:18] <choice> So I don't run into this problem again?
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2498 [19:29:45] <SlazO> hello
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2505 [19:30:31] <choice> hi SlazO
2506 [19:31:03] <SlazO> does anyone have experience running Debian Jessie on a ThinkPad X240 or T440?
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2510 [19:31:36] <missmbob> !anyone
2511 [19:31:37] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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2516 [19:32:30] <eclipsespark> choice you can create a separate boot partition for each system or leave the /boot folder in the root partition without making a dedicated one, but on legacy systems there will be only one master boot record per disk, so only the bootloader of one of them can be used to start your computer, on uefi systems you can have multiple bootloaders too
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2518 [19:32:53] <choice> eclipsespark: This is an uefi system.
2519 [19:33:05] <jelly> SlazO: see if there's something matching at replaced-url
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2523 [19:34:12] <choice> eclipsespark: How can I install Linux so it does not share anything (mbr,boot,...) with the other linux versions on my machine?
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2528 [19:35:57] <eclipsespark> your machine have a uefi partition (flagged as esd), it contains the EFI folder which is used to store the bootloaders of every system in your computer, they are stored inside individual folders so that no one touches the other, so if you install several distributions each in a dedicated partition, then they are going to have a dedicated folder for their bootloader
2529 [19:37:44] <SlazO> jelly: Thanks. X240 seems good but man, that touchpad..:( I've got a T430 at work and its awesome
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2531 [19:37:53] <choice> eclipsespark: Interesting. How do I find that uefi partition? gparted shows no such flag for any of my partitions.
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2537 [19:40:02] <bmomjian1> I need to reformat my boot partition. Should I boot from a live image or an install image to do the mkfs, etc.?
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2540 [19:45:16] <remote> does anything use the boot partition when your system is up?
2541 [19:45:50] <bmomjian1> the root and boot partition are the same.
2542 [19:46:13] <rozie> this will be reinstall
2543 [19:46:24] <rozie> and no, you don't need reformat
2544 [19:46:28] <rozie> what is your problem?
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2547 [19:47:00] <bmomjian1> uh, not really, I am going to boot from media, copy to another drive, mkfs, copy back, update fstab, do grub-install and grub-update, then reboot
2548 [19:47:16] <bmomjian1> what media should I boot from, live or install Debian media?
2549 [19:47:34] <bmomjian1> how do I exit the install media to get to a prompt?
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2553 [19:49:27] <init7> is debian unstable something like rollin release ?
2554 [19:50:10] <Gabs5807> bmomjian1: during install you have more virtuell ttys.
2555 [19:50:19] <eclipsespark> debian unstable (sid) and debian testing (stretch) are full rolling release distributions
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2560 [19:51:33] <Gabs5807> you also have a line to execute a shell during installation - you have to scroll down ..
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2565 [19:52:20] <eclipsespark> or crtl+alt+f2 and ctrl+alt+f3
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2569 [19:52:50] <eclipsespark> while ctrl+alt+f1 contains the debian installer and ctrl+alt+f4 contains the output of the debian installer log
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2574 [19:53:28] <Gabs5807> but the installer first must find the disks (detecting hardware) ..
2575 [19:53:30] <init7> eclipsespark: thank you
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2582 [19:54:29] <malinus> I appear drivers required for my device (8812au, for the replaced-url
2583 [19:54:35] <malinus> and I can see the 2001:3318 of the devices driver before compiling. Still nothing happens. Are there other places in the kernel where the usb_id<->driver is linked? Or could it be something else?
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2585 [19:54:44] <bmomjian1> so you are saying a live cd is best?
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2588 [19:55:25] <eclipsespark> init7, if you need a rolling release distro i suggest you to use testing instead of unstable as it is more suitable for a daily use, debian unstable is better if you are a debian maintainer/developer with the need to test the last updates before make them enter the testing repo
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2591 [19:56:05] <bmomjian1> a shell is what I want
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2594 [19:56:37] <Gabs5807> if you have one. i think the live cd has a also a grafical frontend ;-)
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2596 [19:56:48] <eclipsespark> bmomjian1 then type ctrl+alt+f2
2597 [19:56:58] <bmomjian1> ok, thanks
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2599 [19:57:05] <bmomjian1> I saw this: Just boot the installer with "rescue" and follow the prompts until it mounts your hard disk and gives you a shell chrooted into your system. replaced-url
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2603 [19:59:46] <zykotick9> eclipsespark: init7 i'd say neither testing or unstable are "rolling releases" a) they aren't released (they're the development branches of stable) and b) <frozen> and <slushy> factoids
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2605 [20:01:07] <init7> zykotick9: thank you
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2607 [20:02:01] <Gabs5807> bmomjian1: this is not the best way for copiing the disks, because your shell is chrooted on the source system.
2608 [20:02:08] <eclipsespark> well, if you take "release" in that meaning then you are true, but debian testing is still suitable for daily use, and i've found it more reliable than arch
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2611 [20:03:09] <zykotick9> eclipsespark: ymmv... i don't consider testing "usable" for daily use (i want my systems to work 100% of the time) so it's not suitable for me... but there are other use cases out there
2612 [20:03:13] <Gabs5807> you also can install a generic debian on an usb stick and boot this system.
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2614 [20:04:25] <Gabs5807> then you always have your own rescue system :-)
2615 [20:04:39] <zykotick9> eclipsespark: <sidenote> later today i do plan on downgrading a stable install to testing - to play with some new emulators... but i _do_ consider it a downgrade, that i'll be required to reinstall stable on when it breaks
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2617 [20:05:47] <eclipsespark> zykotick9 and what do you think of other derivative distributions based on the testing branch which clone the entire testing repo and stabilize/test it autonomously? i.e. merging their testing branch into their stable one only if the testing snapshot works with most of the common configurations
2618 [20:06:37] <bmomjian1> Gabs5807: understood that chroot is not going to work; I guess live cd is best
2619 [20:06:42] <eclipsespark> of course this scenario is neither suitable for workstations nor for servers or deployment infrastructures
2620 [20:06:43] <zykotick9> eclipsespark: to be honest... i don't really care what the derivatives do... i choose to run debian for a reason ;)
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2622 [20:07:12] <Gabs5807> yes i think so.
2623 [20:07:24] <eclipsespark> zykotick9 don't take it as a sort of flame, i was just curious
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2625 [20:07:52] <bmomjian1> abs5807: thanks
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2628 [20:08:44] <bmomjian1> Gabs5807: thanks
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2630 [20:09:29] <Gabs5807> bmomjian1: you should use a live system which have the equal version as the system you want to copy.
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2634 [20:11:36] <bmomjian1> right, I have downloaded 8.5.0 cdrom live image already, so I will burn that.
2635 [20:11:42] <bmomjian1> good point on the matching
2636 [20:11:52] <bmomjian1> because I am using mkfs and other tools from the live cd
2637 [20:11:52] <heller_> do you guys have good tips on how to shrink an image?
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2640 [20:12:10] <heller_> raspberry pi image takes over 7Gb but its about a 1Gb
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2642 [20:12:13] <Gabs5807> then mounting the needed filesystems like /proc, /sys, /dev, .. with the bind option and running the grub installer on the target system should make no problem.
2643 [20:12:30] <dx486> I am using debian jessie and I am trying to learn java and javafx. I have openjdk-8-jdk and openjfx 8 installed via jessie-backports. Now I am trying to install e(fx)clipse to Eclipse 3.8.1.7 (this comes with Jessie). however installation fails because of dependency problem. I think it requires Eclipse 4.6. It is not in the backports. What can you suggest to me?
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2649 [20:15:59] <hamsheet> hey guys i got a dual band usb wireless adapter but it is not showing up, i have the realtek firmware installed, anything else i need to do?
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2651 [20:16:47] <bmomjian1> Gabs5807: agreed, here is the cheat sheet I have developed after some research: replaced-url
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2653 [20:17:07] <bmomjian1> I thought this would be a more common operation.
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2660 [20:17:42] <choice> Are you guys sure my Grug uses any grub.cfg at all? Because I cannot find any grub.cfg on my computer that resembles what I see on startup. Maybe on EFI systems other config files are used?
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2665 [20:20:27] <mtn> choice: only one linux distro on your system?
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2667 [20:20:52] <choice> mtn: No, several.
2668 [20:21:15] <Gabs5807> bmomjian1: shiuld work. on /dev/disk/by-uuid/ you see the uuids of the filesystems. so you can change the fstab on the target system directly after copiing.
2669 [20:21:17] <mtn> choice: which grub is controlling boot? which distros?
2670 [20:21:47] <choice> mtn: Several linux distros. IDK which grub is controlling boot. How do I check?
2671 [20:21:59] <mtn> choice: any chance you removed the one that had the grub you are seeing?
2672 [20:22:13] <choice> mtn: removed what?
2673 [20:22:19] <mtn> choice: the distro
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2677 [20:22:53] <choice> mtn: I ran "apt-get update" in one of the distros and that changed everything quite a bit.
2678 [20:23:13] <choice> mtn: One of the distros disappeared fro the boot menu. An encrypted one.
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2680 [20:23:22] <mtn> choice: if you want to make sure one specific grub.cfg is being used, reinstall grub from that distro
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2682 [20:23:27] <zykotick9> choice: _probably_ which ever distro you installed last, is controlling grub. you might want to look into running grub-install and grub-update from the one you want to be using... best of luck.
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2684 [20:24:21] <choice> zykotick9: Running grub-install from the one I want to use (the encryped one. I have to chroot into it to access it since it does not boot anymore) gives me an error.
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2688 [20:25:36] <zykotick9> choice: so long as you chroot properly... it should still be able to grub install/update. not sure why you encrypted install is broken however? <- could the two issue be related?
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2692 [20:26:13] <choice> zykotick9: The encrypted install is fine. But I cannot boot into it, since I ran "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" in one of the unencrypted ones.
2693 [20:26:26] <choice> zykotick9: One moment, I will try install-grub and tell you the error...
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2695 [20:27:04] <zykotick9> choice: note, i had a quick look at my /etc/default/grub and i certainly do see anything encrypted/lvm (which i'm using) related in there... just sayin'
2696 [20:27:17] <zykotick9> s/do/do not/ <- sorry
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2699 [20:28:16] <choice> zykotick9: Running "grub-install /dev/sda" gives me this: Installing for x86_64-efi platform. grub-install.real: error: cannot find EFI directory.
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2702 [20:29:14] <zykotick9> choice: sorry, i know NOTHING of efi... good luck!
2703 [20:29:34] <choice> Guess I have to wipe the machine and install from scratch.
2704 [20:29:37] <asarch> Where do you configure pulseaudio in stable?
2705 [20:30:02] <mtn> asarch: install pavucontrol
2706 [20:30:40] <asarch> Thank you mtn
2707 [20:30:47] <asarch> Thank you very much :-)
2708 [20:31:22] <mtn> asarch: :)
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2780 [21:15:56] <sysadmin> hello people
2781 [21:16:10] <sysadmin> I would like to install the minimal GUI possible for debian in a VM
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2783 [21:16:25] <sysadmin> what can I chose from kde, lxde and xfce?
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2785 [21:16:39] <sysadmin> lxde should be the lightest, hence the name, right?
2786 [21:16:57] <awal1> sysadmin, lxde is the lightest DE available in debian
2787 [21:17:19] <mtn> sysadmin: window managers are lighter yet
2788 [21:17:32] <awal1> probably you may want only a WM, I suggest you openbox
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2790 [21:19:23] <sysadmin> like installing the netinstall and then adding a WM on top?
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2794 [21:20:09] <awal1> I find openbox the most powerful and the most gtk/qt/icccm-ewmh compliant/compatible
2795 [21:20:11] <mtn> sysadmin: yes
2796 [21:20:57] <sysadmin> awal1: I will not have a desktop environment like with icons of course, right?
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2805 [21:22:08] <awal1> sysadmin, openbox is very extensible; you can achive almost all what you want
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2808 [21:23:01] <awal1> openboxbox is just a proposition; of course you have a lot of WM in debian (fluxbox, fvwm...)
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2810 [21:23:38] <awal1> ,v lxqt
2811 [21:23:39] <judd> Package: lxqt on amd64 -- sid: 4; stretch: 4
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2832 [21:26:09] <sysadmin> awal1: openbox seems fun! I'm trying it ;)
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2837 [21:28:01] <awal1> sysadmin, you will have to tweak it for get it nicer and complete.
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2840 [21:29:11] <awal1> but A vs B is offtopic here. the end suggestion is try and choose :P
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2870 [21:47:23] <iKarith> Hey all, is it presently possible to install Debian encrypted spinning platter and use a SSD for faster reads/writes? I'm only vaguely sure how this is done, so I'd prefer to do it at install time. I just don't know if jessie comes with a new enough kernel to do it.
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2875 [21:47:48] <iKarith> Or if the installer supports the mapper layer cake needed to pull it off.
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2878 [21:49:03] <sideup66> hey room, can anyone help me with this or have an easy way, im trying to setup a virtualmachine i had configured in vboxheadless to autostart at system boot, it does some background tasks that unfortunately require windows and wine wasnt working, is there an easy way to configure it? im reading from google about configuring a custom service but is that necessary? I have the vboxheadless command....
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2880 [21:50:10] <iKarith> sideup66: I've done some virtualization, but I'm no expert at all with wine. What're you trying to accomplish?
2881 [21:51:36] <smdrz> any advise on choosing filesystem for removable hard disk?
2882 [21:51:42] <sideup66> in short, the final solution i went to on my program situation was to just virtualize it, so i setup virtualbox from debian repos with a vm, and want to autostart this vm at startup, and preferebly have it shut down gracefully so it doesnt make windows break somehow down the line
2883 [21:51:45] <iKarith> Most of my virtualization has been VMWare, but I've occasionally have had to dink with VPC images.
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2885 [21:52:06] <iKarith> smdrz: Will the HD be shared with non-Linux systems?
2886 [21:52:06] <sideup66> like if the system was going down, it should let the vm shut down
2887 [21:52:44] <smdrz> Nope, not on planning to
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2889 [21:53:05] <iKarith> smdrz: Well then, ext4 is the standard filesystem for a reason. :)
2890 [21:53:06] <smdrz> but will be shared amoung some friends
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2892 [21:53:21] <smdrz> who are using linux
2893 [21:53:43] <iKarith> Mount it in fstab using UUID rather than device name.
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2895 [21:54:28] <iKarith> Might want to make it user-mountable unless you're using udisks(2) or something.
2896 [21:54:39] <smdrz> iKarith: how does XFS do for removable drive?
2897 [21:55:02] <iKarith> About as well as for a fixed one.
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2899 [21:55:39] <iKarith> I don't know the extend xfs journals, that's always the issue.
2900 [21:55:40] <jim> I'm trying to get the source and install the build deps for python-certbot which I believe is in jessie-backports, I'm having trouble getting the source and the build deps... my sources.list is at... replaced-url
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2904 [21:56:42] <iKarith> Oracle has not seen fit to make zfs properly free. :(
2905 [21:56:56] <jim> I don't actually need to build it, I guess I could install the backport, I think I was having trouble with that too... can someone help me troubleshoot?
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2909 [21:58:15] <jim> wait I think I got it
2910 [21:58:28] <uniTosch> jim: you are missing the deb-src line for jessie-backports, also mixing distributions and different releases is a terrible idea.
2911 [21:58:28] <iKarith> jim: behold the problem-solving power of #debian(!)
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2914 [21:59:17] <smdrz> jim: used to install packages with this apt preference ,but reverted to offical ones
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2916 [21:59:43] <smdrz> mixxx and some audio apps clashes
2917 [21:59:48] <jim> uniTosch, it looks like I'm mixing, but mostly just getting sources
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2919 [22:01:50] <jim> uniTosch, ok, I must have forgotten those
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2921 [22:02:38] <jim> smdrz, I'm using a ported version of cadence, which is a jackd starter and manager... plus it has a couple cool apps
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2923 [22:04:02] <smdrz> i use it too, but the static version
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2928 [22:05:29] <jim> what I did was got the cadence debianized source and built the packages, which worked perfectly, it produced a handful of .debs
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2930 [22:05:46] <smdrz> iKarith: does ext4 do well for failing disks(identifying bad blocks)
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2932 [22:06:29] <iKarith> smdrz: Nothing really does well for failing disks I find. :/
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2935 [22:07:22] <smdrz> jim: ok, coming to the issue, tried using pip
2936 [22:07:32] <iKarith> smdrz: Checking something that may be relevant
2937 [22:07:48] <smdrz> iKarith: well time to buy new one.
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2947 [22:10:27] <iKarith> smdrz: there's some argument for ext3 over ext4 for an external drive being able to cope with unintended unmounts.
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2952 [22:15:30] <iKarith> smdrz: Maybe that can be affected by tune2fs settings
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2954 [22:16:46] <smdrz> iKarith, will look into it
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2956 [22:16:50] <jim> smdrz, I must have activated jessie-backports in my sources.list, I was able to get the packages (there were about 20)
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2960 [22:17:52] <jim> smdrz, I use a "template" of sources.list, called sources.list.m4 which I maintain by hand
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2963 [22:18:27] <iKarith> smdrz: Really the major advantage of xfs is that it's designed for huge files and filesystems. So it's pretty good for video files I guess, but nobody's got video files that really reach the limits of ext4, and few have filesystems bigger than ext4 is quite comfortable with.
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2975 [22:23:24] <binaryc> n
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2977 [22:23:52] <jenia> hello
2978 [22:24:31] <jenia> did anyone managed to install debian on a nice tablet? :)
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2981 [22:25:04] <iKarith> jenia: I haven't, but send me a nice tablet and I'll be happy to do so ;)
2982 [22:25:31] <jenia> iKarith, I have two questions with regards to this:
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2984 [22:26:10] <jenia> 1. can you boot from a usb on a tablet? I'm not sure but maybe you can't access the bios or change the boot sequence
2985 [22:26:30] <Nennala> Hello, did somebody here have the problem with a FocalTech touchpas and a lost of sync ?
2986 [22:26:39] <jenia> 2. tablets use some weird processors. can you install debian on these architectures?
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2988 [22:27:19] <iKarith> jenia: By weird you generally mean armhf and arm64.
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2990 [22:28:33] <jenia> iKarith, yes
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2992 [22:29:42] <iKarith> jenia: You might look into Linux on Windows RT devices. They're cheap because nobody wants Windows RT. Android is already a Linux kernel, so it's just a matter of getting the Linux you want on them rather than the one it comes with.
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2994 [22:33:11] <iKarith> Most of the info out there says the Surface RT will not run Linux, but it's also dated heavily.
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2998 [22:35:28] <iKarith> It was supposed to be not possible, but that might've changed recently when Microsoft's keys got leaked. ;)
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3011 [22:46:32] <jenia> iKarith, what about this problem: replaced-url
3012 [22:46:32] <jenia> ?
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3017 [22:48:24] <Putti> jenia, there is bunch of allwinner tablets that work with debian: replaced-url
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3019 [22:49:09] <iKarith> jenia: They can't fix it really. The old version has to be usable or all the recovery tools break.
3020 [22:49:26] <iKarith> It just becomes a two-step exploit now. :)
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3022 [22:50:26] <jenia> iKarith, so what would be the first step then? Downgrade the OS or something?
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3025 [22:52:39] <iKarith> smdrz: You can use tune2fs to disable write caching on the ext4 filesystem. Writes will be slower, but that plus journaling will improve fault tolerance greatly.
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3037 [23:02:05] <Subfusc> D:
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3086 [23:30:44] <sideup66> well that was a waste
3087 [23:30:46] <sideup66> asked vbox room
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3089 [23:30:49] <sideup66> oh go ask debian
3090 [23:30:50] <sideup66> wtf
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3093 [23:31:12] <bmomjian1> Gabs5807: I use file -sL to see the file system uuid
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3115 [23:38:58] <HeXiLeD> i am stuck here dpkg --configure -a
3116 [23:39:00] <HeXiLeD> Setting up binfmt-support (2.1.5-1)
3117 [23:39:16] <sideup66> hmm
3118 [23:39:23] <HeXiLeD> for quite a long time and not able to configure or remove or delete or install anything else.
3119 [23:39:28] <HeXiLeD> any ideas ?
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3126 [23:43:11] <sideup66> HeXiLeD, do you see any signs of cpu/disk activity?
3127 [23:43:15] <sideup66> htop or iotop?
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3129 [23:43:27] <HeXiLeD> there is a high usage of init -z
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3139 [23:49:30] <HeXiLeD> i also booted an old vm install to test things and seem i cannot update/install anything replaced-url
3140 [23:49:48] <HeXiLeD> what might i not be seeing ?
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3144 [23:52:06] <bolt> HeXiLeD: change your sources.list to http
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3147 [23:52:30] <bolt> HeXiLeD: unless there's a very specific reason to use https. the packages are signed anyway
3148 [23:52:41] <HeXiLeD> i just added the ones in the example replaced-url
3149 [23:52:58] <HeXiLeD> same problem
3150 [23:53:03] <bolt> none of those use https
3151 [23:53:29] <missmbob> mirrors.kernel.org does if you want to use that mirror
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3153 [23:54:00] <HeXiLeD> well i am not using https
3154 [23:54:05] <bolt> HeXiLeD: got anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/?
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3157 [23:54:20] <HeXiLeD> nothing
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3159 [23:55:23] <bolt> what happens if you attempt to fetch replaced-url
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3163 [23:58:46] <HeXiLeD> dotn have curl there but wget fetched .html
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