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0 [00:00:06] <t1m1d> somiaj: I need brcm/brcmfmac4350-pcie.bin
1 [00:00:20] <jsahsa> can somebody give me some advise
2 [00:00:22] <jsahsa> ?
3 [00:00:32] <somiaj> t1m1d: yea this is the bf43 or something like that. We are not leagally allowed to distribute the firmware, so debian only provides scripts for you to download and extract it.
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5 [00:00:59] <somiaj> t1m1d: look at the package firmware-b43-installer
6 [00:01:04] <t1m1d> Oh, okay. The wiki gave me a link to download it.
7 [00:01:21] <t1m1d> Also my laptop doesn't have an ethernet port so I have to get it on a flash drive somehow
8 [00:01:29] <t1m1d> Not running linux on my desktop
9 [00:01:30] <DeaDSouL> t1m1d: `aptitude install firmware-brcm80211`
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14 [00:01:48] <Mathisen> jsahsa, replaced-url
15 [00:01:48] <t1m1d> DeaDSouL: How will that work if I don't have an internet connection on my laptop though?
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18 [00:02:15] <DeaDSouL> t1m1d: don't you have ethernet connection?
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21 [00:02:24] <somiaj> t1m1d: oh sorry, this is not the case that you need the scripts. You can just download the .deb and copy it over via a usb drive
22 [00:02:25] <t1m1d> somiaj: Is this not the proper method? I have those firmware files on my flashdrive but the installer does not recognize it replaced-url
23 [00:02:31] <jsahsa> Mathisen: thanks a lot :D
24 [00:02:40] <t1m1d> DeaDSouL: Dell XPS 13 only has ethernet if I buy the $50 USB-C dock
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26 [00:02:50] <Mathisen> jsahsa, and you want the amd64 iso
27 [00:02:53] <t1m1d> It's not thick enough for an ethernet port
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29 [00:04:12] <DeaDSouL> t1m1d: better have usb-to-ethernet adapter.. it might come in handy ;p
30 [00:04:46] <t1m1d> somiaj: What should the directory of my flash drive look like? It's currently /firmware/lib/brcm/brcmfmac-pcie.bin
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32 [00:04:59] <t1m1d> I'm assuming I don't just drop the .deb on there
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41 [00:07:12] <t1m1d> forgot a 4350 in there, whoops. But you get the pictures
42 [00:07:33] <t1m1d> Any suggestions somiaj? Sorry to bother you
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47 [00:09:34] <DeaDSouL> t1m1d: what is your debian version?
48 [00:09:59] <t1m1d> Nothing is installed yet, but I'm trying to install stretch
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50 [00:10:12] <t1m1d> It's what the wiki said to install on my hardware
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57 [00:12:25] <DeaDSouL> t1m1d: here, try to install this 'replaced-url
58 [00:13:12] <DeaDSouL> t1m1d: `dpkg -i firm*brcm8*.deb`
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62 [00:14:03] <t1m1d> DeaDSouL: I am sitting on the graphical install screen where it asks for firmware. I already have that extracted to a fat32 usb drive which is connected to the laptop. Directory on the flash drive is /firmware/lib/brcm/brcmfmac4350-pcie.bin
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65 [00:14:37] <t1m1d> The installer asks if it should try to read the firmware from usb. I hit yes, and every time it just goes back to the same screen where it asks for the firmware
66 [00:14:59] <t1m1d> Same results on the default and nonfree distros
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68 [00:15:29] <DeaDSouL> t1m1d: oh,... it's ok then... you can escape that... and once it's got installed... just download that deb file to a usb stick from another machine.. and install it offline
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71 [00:15:51] <DeaDSouL> t1m1d: unless you have downloaded all debian dvds
72 [00:16:42] <t1m1d> DeaDSouL: And that's fine with the netinst distro?
73 [00:17:14] <t1m1d> After that I run dpkg with the .deb and then do sudo apt-get update && time sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
74 [00:17:16] <DeaDSouL> t1m1d: well, i don't know... I've tried what I told you with the dvd version
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77 [00:18:03] <DeaDSouL> t1m1d: I can't say anything more, since I've never tried to install from netinst
78 [00:18:33] <g00se> And it doesn't have Ethernet?
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80 [00:19:01] <DeaDSouL> t1m1d: but, you can try.. if it didn't work, you can always re-try.. since it's a fresh new installation
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85 [00:23:18] <g00se> If it _does_ have Ethernet (not requiring firmware) then you'll find it much easier to install it later
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90 [00:24:35] <ksft> DeaDSouL: a package someone here suggested I install was already installed
91 [00:25:05] <ksft> linux-image-amd64
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94 [00:25:55] <missmbob> of course it's installed by default. what you were told to do is upgrade to the jessie-backports version
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96 [00:26:14] <ksft> ...oh
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107 [00:30:00] <ksft> missmbob: I added the line to sources.list
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109 [00:30:12] <ksft> how do I get it to use that version of the package?
110 [00:30:22] <ksft> oh, wait, I can't read
111 [00:30:23] <missmbob> i already linked you to the instructions
112 [00:30:46] <DeaDSouL> ksft: `aptitude install linux-image-amd64 -t jessie-backports` if you want to install kernel 4.6
113 [00:31:20] <ksft> missmbob: yeah, I should've read them before asking here
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115 [00:32:40] <ksft> okay, installed
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118 [00:33:25] <DeaDSouL> ksft: reboot ... then `urname -a`
119 [00:33:30] <ksft> okay
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129 [00:35:38] <ksft> DeaDSouL: what package is urname from?
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132 [00:36:33] <`Kevin> uname
133 [00:36:40] <DeaDSouL> ksft: I mean `uname -a`
134 [00:36:44] <ksft> oh, that makes sense
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136 [00:37:31] <ksft> 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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138 [00:37:52] <DeaDSouL> ksft: there you have it :0
139 [00:37:53] <DeaDSouL> :)
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142 [00:38:03] <ksft> now how do I get wifi to work?
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144 [00:38:27] <DeaDSouL> ksft: i thought you wanted the 4.6 kernel!
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146 [00:38:46] <ksft> DeaDSouL: I wanted whatever people here suggested I get to make wifi work
147 [00:38:46] <DeaDSouL> ksft: what's your wifi chip
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151 [00:39:21] <DeaDSouL> ksft: do you have internet connection ? ethernet?
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155 [00:39:33] <ksft> "BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter", according to lshw
156 [00:39:46] <ksft> it said "*-network UNCLAIMED" before
157 [00:39:54] <ksft> now it just says "*-network"
158 [00:40:34] <ksft> haven't used xfce much before--maybe my problem now is that I just don't know how to use it to connect to a wifi network
159 [00:40:48] <DeaDSouL> ksft: try: `aptitude install broadcom-sta-dkms`
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162 [00:41:04] <DeaDSouL> ksft: wait wait
163 [00:41:27] <DeaDSouL> ksft: so you don't know if your wifi is being identified or not?
164 [00:41:36] <ksft> very, very new to Debian
165 [00:41:49] <DeaDSouL> ksft: first trye: `ifconfig` ... and `iwconfig` .... do you see it ?
166 [00:41:59] <DeaDSouL> try*
167 [00:42:04] <ksft> "ifconfig: command not found"
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169 [00:42:18] <DeaDSouL> ksft: while you're root
170 [00:42:18] <ksft> same with iwconfig
171 [00:42:24] <DeaDSouL> ksft: first, `su`
172 [00:42:30] <ksft> got it
173 [00:42:44] <ksft> I see eth0 and lo
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175 [00:43:03] <ksft> what do "if" and "iw" stand for?
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179 [00:43:52] <DeaDSouL> if : interface (i think) ... iw : wireless interfaces (again, i think)
180 [00:43:52] <g00se> ifconfig -a
181 [00:44:09] <DeaDSouL> ksft: what do you see `iwconfig`
182 [00:44:11] <ksft> yeah, just realized the man pages say that
183 [00:44:30] <ksft> "lo"
184 [00:44:34] <ksft> "no wireless extensions"
185 [00:44:36] <ksft> "eth0"
186 [00:44:37] <ksft> "no wireless extensions"
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189 [00:45:01] <DeaDSouL> ksft: then try to install that package i told you about
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192 [00:45:34] <ksft> couldn't find it
193 [00:45:37] <DeaDSouL> ksft: `aptitude install broadcom-sta-dkms`
194 [00:45:50] <ksft> yeah, did that
195 [00:45:54] <ksft> might've set up sources wrong
196 [00:46:27] <DeaDSouL> ksft: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in replaced-url
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198 [00:47:35] <ksft> DeaDSouL: replaced-url
199 [00:47:45] <ksft> hope it doesn't matter what paste website I use
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201 [00:48:01] <ksft> the web browser isn't working either
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203 [00:49:35] <g00se> Have you got an Internet connection on eth0?
204 [00:49:42] <DeaDSouL> ksft: yep... you don't have nonfree
205 [00:49:45] <ksft> g00se: yes
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210 [00:50:17] <DeaDSouL> ksft: try this first `cp /etc/apt/sources.list{,.org_bkp}`
211 [00:50:18] <ksft> DeaDSouL: should I add "contrib" and "nonfree" after the second- and third-to-last uncommented, non-blank lines?
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213 [00:50:38] <DeaDSouL> ksft: then change the contents of it to this: replaced-url
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215 [00:51:17] <DeaDSouL> ksft: yeah, but you #20 doesn't have it
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217 [00:51:28] <ksft> what?
218 [00:51:37] <DeaDSouL> ksft: line #20
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221 [00:52:00] <DeaDSouL> your* ... can't type today :P
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227 [00:53:23] <DeaDSouL> ksft: once you replace the contents... do `aptitude update` ... then `aptitude install broadcom-sta-dkms`
228 [00:53:44] <ksft> yeah
229 [00:53:46] <ksft> it's working now
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231 [00:54:26] <DeaDSouL> ksft: enjoy your debian :)
232 [00:54:39] <ksft> thank you
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234 [00:54:50] <ksft> wait--I still don't know how to actually connect to a network
235 [00:55:17] <g00se> You're using xfce?
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238 [00:55:23] <ksft> g00se: yes
239 [00:55:48] <DeaDSouL> ksft: `iwconfig` ... does it show anything ? if not... try to reboot... and check again
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246 [00:56:02] <ksft> doesn't show anyhting more than before
247 [00:56:04] <g00se> well you'll see the NetworkManager 'applet'. You should see wifi networks if the wireless nic is up
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249 [00:56:08] <ksft> anything*
250 [00:56:26] <g00se> (and wifi networks exist)
251 [00:56:48] <ksft> how...do I do that?
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254 [00:57:21] <g00se> Probably better to reboot so that you can be sure the firmware is loaded
255 [00:57:26] <ksft> okay
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257 [00:57:36] <g00se> You did install the firmware?
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262 [00:58:38] <ksft> now what?
263 [00:59:46] <g00se> If you installed the firmware and there is a wifi net in range then the NM applet should be showing the wireless APs
264 [00:59:53] <DeaDSouL> ksft: what does `iwconfig` say this time?
265 [00:59:58] <ksft> how do I start the NM applet?
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267 [01:00:12] <ksft> DeaDSouL: still just showing "lo" and "eth0"
268 [01:00:26] <g00se> Not good
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271 [01:01:17] <DeaDSouL> `dmesg | grep -i firmware` paste the output
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273 [01:01:49] <ksft> replaced-url
274 [01:03:16] <DeaDSouL> ksft: `aptitude install bluez-firmware`
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277 [01:03:41] <ksft> DeaDSouL: couldn't find the package
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281 [01:04:59] <DeaDSouL> ksft: ksft you have the non-free in repositores ..right?
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283 [01:05:23] <ksft> DeaDSouL: I replaced /etc/apt/sources.list with what you gave me
284 [01:05:34] <DeaDSouL> ksft: aptitude update
285 [01:05:37] <DeaDSouL> then try again
286 [01:05:43] <ksft> woah
287 [01:05:44] <DeaDSouL> ksft: `aptitude install bluez-firmware firmware-realtek`
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289 [01:05:51] <ksft> it looks like it got changed back
290 [01:05:56] <g00se> Probably a good idea to pastebin this as well `lspci -v`
291 [01:05:58] <DeaDSouL> your nic is realtek .. according to dmesg
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293 [01:06:30] <g00se> Yes. Could that be eth0 though
294 [01:07:17] <DeaDSouL> maybe!
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296 [01:08:03] <ksft> couldn't find either of those packages
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298 [01:08:23] <DeaDSouL> ksft: ??
299 [01:08:23] <ksft> replaced-url
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302 [01:08:32] <ksft> there's the ouput of lspci -v
303 [01:08:47] <DeaDSouL> ethernet
304 [01:08:48] <ksft> oh wait
305 [01:08:53] <ksft> might've messed up the apt sources again
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308 [01:10:06] <ksft> yup
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310 [01:10:27] <ksft> firmware-realtek already installed
311 [01:10:31] <ksft> just installed bluez-firmware
312 [01:10:35] <ksft> now what?
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314 [01:10:50] <g00se> lspci -v
315 [01:10:58] <g00se> (pastebin that)
316 [01:11:05] <ksft> g00se: replaced-url
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318 [01:11:10] <DeaDSouL> ksft: is 'broadcom-sta-common' installed ?
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320 [01:11:59] <ksft> DeaDSouL: now it is
321 [01:12:11] <DeaDSouL> `iwconfig`
322 [01:12:23] <ksft> still just shows "lo" and "eth0"
323 [01:12:25] <ksft> reboot?
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326 [01:13:26] <ksft> rebooting
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335 [01:14:20] <g00se> sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep broadcom
336 [01:14:23] <awal1> How I can send X application from monitor 1 to monitor 2?
337 [01:14:31] <ksft> g00se: was that to me?
338 [01:14:39] <g00se> Yes
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344 [01:15:04] <ksft> broadcom-sta-common, broadcom-sta-dkms, broadcom-sta-source
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349 [01:15:29] <ksft> I have to go for like 30 minutes
350 [01:15:34] <DeaDSouL> ksft: `iwconfig`
351 [01:15:39] <ksft> be back at 45 minutes after the current hour
352 [01:15:45] <leba2> Hello... Is there a way to see if a gpg key is debian valid? replaced-url
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354 [01:15:47] <DeaDSouL> and paste the `lsmod`
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357 [01:16:21] <awal1> How to find out what happens in the background when draging X window app from monitor 1 to monitor 2? which components of the system are involved in that process?
358 [01:16:21] <g00se> You haven't got the the wireless hardware 'switch' off by any chance/?
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368 [01:18:16] <cylince> hi folks
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370 [01:19:00] <RoyK> ho
371 [01:19:01] <cylince> i have a newbie question
372 [01:19:06] <RoyK> !ask
373 [01:19:06] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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378 [01:20:34] <cylince> I'm running Deb5 and trying to run a script using cron jobs. If my script results with a zero count I want to receive an email
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380 [01:21:28] <TheDoors> hi
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382 [01:21:32] <RoyK> cylince: erm - is that lennie?
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384 [01:21:42] <TheDoors> got some strange Nickname
385 [01:21:47] <TheDoors> but I love Jim
386 [01:21:49] <cylince> yes
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390 [01:22:08] <RoyK> cylince: it's from 2009 - not supported
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396 [01:22:44] <cylince> what's not supported - sending an email from a cron job
397 [01:22:54] <RoyK> it's old and dead
398 [01:22:55] <TheDoors> I got allot but no friends
399 [01:23:27] <TheDoors> Mine doctor told me some stuff
400 [01:23:40] <TheDoors> asperger
401 [01:24:54] <TheDoors> what ever
402 [01:25:17] <TheDoors> and before I get Kicked I tell u something
403 [01:25:28] <g00se> Got anything on-topic or what?
404 [01:25:39] <TheDoors> I will do a shit
405 [01:25:58] <TheDoors> I ma ashamed Linuxworld is that hate each other
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407 [01:26:14] <TheDoors> U all got some hit on head?
408 [01:26:15] <erm3nda> not each
409 [01:26:26] <TheDoors> O love Linux and Debian
410 [01:26:35] <TheDoors> and I thaight dummy I am
411 [01:26:37] <cylince> RoyK do you know any other way to receive an alert from deb5
412 [01:26:44] <TheDoors> Linuy people like each other
413 [01:26:49] <TheDoors> x
414 [01:27:15] <TheDoors> 2 days ago some astreoid fly above earth alittle fast and very closed
415 [01:27:23] <th0r> a troll that can't speak or spell in english
416 [01:27:31] <TheDoors> if it had hit greetings to dinosaurus
417 [01:27:33] <erm3nda> TheDoors it's a bot. Let's ignore ...
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421 [01:27:45] <TheDoors> thor I m native german
422 [01:27:50] <g00se> If the system is set up correctly, cron output should be mailed by default
423 [01:27:51] <TheDoors> and
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425 [01:28:02] <TheDoors> dar kar dar
426 [01:28:08] <erm3nda> only if ou add mail at top
427 [01:28:19] <TheDoors> yes I know admions have to like me
428 [01:28:22] <erm3nda> MAILTO:my@email.dot
429 [01:28:23] <TheDoors> No thanks
430 [01:28:38] <TheDoors> Im no schleim
431 [01:28:53] <erm3nda> btw, u can setup a basis sendmail command using " do that || sendmail x "
432 [01:29:00] <TheDoors> Im grown up alone in some cave with some wolves
433 [01:29:08] <TheDoors> ?n Lol*
434 [01:29:18] <TheDoors> no that was Romulus and Remulus
435 [01:29:29] <TheDoors> I hate people wich always messure IQ
436 [01:29:36] <TheDoors> I love art
437 [01:29:56] <TheDoors> but I could maybe programm some cool funstions
438 [01:30:05] <TheDoors> c
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440 [01:30:44] <TheDoors> Ridesr on the storm for Ian Murdock
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442 [01:31:02] <TheDoors> U do a lot very intelleigent sruff
443 [01:31:04] <bazhang> TheDoors, thats not on topic here
444 [01:31:12] <TheDoors> but
445 [01:31:22] <TheDoors> aslong u aint feel u self
446 [01:31:30] <TheDoors> code is shit lol*
447 [01:31:36] <bazhang> #debian-offtopic please TheDoors
448 [01:31:48] <TheDoors> bazhang sorry - what is the topic?
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450 [01:32:13] <bazhang> this is debian support only TheDoors
451 [01:32:14] <TheDoors> sorry I m a newbie
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453 [01:32:30] <TheDoors> okay
454 [01:32:45] <TheDoors> sorry Im always that lomesome
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458 [01:34:01] <Butt3rfly> I have no sound
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460 [01:34:09] <TheDoors> sorry
461 [01:34:14] <TheDoors> and never forget
462 [01:34:21] <TheDoors> yes sound :-)
463 [01:34:29] <TheDoors> I never could be a hacker
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466 [01:34:38] <TheDoors> not even a social one lol*
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468 [01:34:53] <TheDoors> Most people I really hate
469 [01:34:56] <TheDoors> real
470 [01:35:07] <TheDoors> they are so empty
471 [01:35:08] <polyzen> real talk
472 [01:35:17] <polyzen> also #debian-offtopic
473 [01:35:31] <polyzen> !whatisontopic
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478 [01:36:30] <TheDoors> Im very ugly?
479 [01:36:36] <TheDoors> but Im a nerd
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481 [01:36:51] <TheDoors> Ian
482 [01:36:51] <g00se> Someone kick the doors please
483 [01:36:58] <bazhang> TheDoors, #debian-offtopic Please
484 [01:37:03] <TheDoors> lets give ehm some lesion
485 [01:37:19] <TheDoors> Pink Floyd I go
486 [01:37:27] <TheDoors> bazhang help me please
487 [01:37:48] <bazhang> TheDoors, go chat in that channel NOT here
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489 [01:37:51] <TheDoors> Im new
490 [01:38:05] <polyzen> !op
491 [01:38:07] <polyzen> !ops
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493 [01:38:28] <TheDoors> ?
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495 [01:39:03] <TheDoors> besides White hats, Black heads and anonymous?
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497 [01:39:19] <TheDoors> Debian owner Ian Murdock died
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499 [01:39:23] <cylince> erm3nda, can i add my script to the cron.hourly dir and add | mail -s "msg" my@email.com after the script
500 [01:39:30] <TheDoors> shortky after he signed wich contract?
501 [01:39:36] <TheDoors> so no matter
502 [01:39:40] <erm3nda> yes
503 [01:39:41] <bazhang> TheDoors, the ops call was against you
504 [01:39:42] <cylince> or mail -s to the cron job?
505 [01:39:50] <TheDoors> I lie besides edith Paif on Century in Paris ..
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507 [01:39:56] <polyzen> !ops TheDoors
508 [01:39:57] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: polyzen complains about: TheDoors
509 [01:40:00] <erm3nda> it's easier if you add the MAILTO
510 [01:40:01] <TheDoors> I know
511 [01:40:13] <polyzen> came in here expecting to get kicked
512 [01:40:18] <TheDoors> non wanna hear different sitghts
513 [01:40:23] <erm3nda> but u can send any command from cron, so, just look for your desired sendmail combination
514 [01:40:23] <TheDoors> The wall
515 [01:40:24] <LoRez> TheDoors: enough.
516 [01:40:24] <cylince> ok, but I want to send email for only this job/script
517 [01:40:32] <cylince> not all jobs...if that makes sense?
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519 [01:40:40] <erm3nda> if you do | you'll pipe the command
520 [01:40:43] <TheDoors> if u could see mine face
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522 [01:40:47] <DeaDSouL> cylince: why don't you upgrade your debian? I'm just curious
523 [01:40:50] <erm3nda> if you use AND it's better
524 [01:41:06] <erm3nda> DeaDSouL, what's does the upgrade with cron or sendmail?
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529 [01:41:40] <DeaDSouL> erm3nda: nothing.. I'm just wondering why would someone still use unsupported old distro?
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532 [01:41:50] <erm3nda> cylince, i think you can solve your problem by just 2 minute googling session. just search "cron send email" then you're done
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534 [01:42:00] <erm3nda> DeaDSouL, there are people for everything on the world
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536 [01:42:21] <erm3nda> i don't know how to say that in english...
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538 [01:42:40] <DeaDSouL> cylince: deb5 isn't secure ..
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540 [01:42:49] <erm3nda> deb5 rocks :-V
541 [01:42:52] <Butt3rfly> that works erm3nda
542 [01:42:57] <Butt3rfly> unlike my sound
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544 [01:43:25] <erm3nda> now i have the same question. cylince, why don't upgrade
545 [01:43:28] <erm3nda> cylince, get deb6
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548 [01:43:45] <cylince> upgrade is out of my control
549 [01:43:45] <erm3nda> Butt3rfly, what works?
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551 [01:44:06] <erm3nda> cylince, got your keyboard stongly, then hit "im am the bossss" then press enter
552 [01:44:12] <Butt3rfly> your translation to english
553 [01:44:24] <erm3nda> Butt3rfly, oh, thank you
554 [01:44:25] <cylince> but, i agree with both of you, upgrading would be best
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556 [01:44:50] <erm3nda> boot without password :-) then upgrade it
557 [01:45:00] <erm3nda> root is on your hands
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560 [01:45:27] <erm3nda> make disk backup first...
561 [01:45:35] <Butt3rfly> I just done a net install and my sound isn't working, can I get some help with that please
562 [01:45:58] <erm3nda> Yes, first be sure your device is loaded or not
563 [01:46:05] <erm3nda> lspci i guess
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565 [01:46:36] <zykotick9> Butt3rfly: step 1 - open a terminal and start "alsamixer" verify there are no MM at the bottom of any of the levels, and verify everything has volume turned up.
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567 [01:47:10] <zykotick9> dpkg: tell Butt3rfly about alsa-checklist
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570 [01:47:24] <g00se> And what desktop are you using ?
571 [01:47:25] <ksft> DeaDSouL: you still there?
572 [01:47:31] <Butt3rfly> 00:07.0 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio (rev a1)
573 [01:47:35] <Butt3rfly> yes it is
574 [01:47:46] <ksft> iwconfig still just lists "lo" and "eth0"
575 [01:47:51] <erm3nda> follow zykotick9
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579 [01:48:17] <g00se> ksft: sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep firmware
580 [01:48:20] <ksft> g00se: there is no easily-accessible physical switch
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583 [01:48:39] <erm3nda> if it's a laptop ensure with headphones
584 [01:48:41] <g00se> Is it a laptop?
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588 [01:48:52] <erm3nda> i saw sometimes weird behavior when releasing them
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590 [01:48:59] <ksft> g00se, DeaDSouL: lsmod output: replaced-url
591 [01:49:00] <ksft> g00se: yes
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593 [01:49:21] <g00se> Function keys often provide disabling
594 [01:49:40] <ksft> g00se: I don't think so on this one
595 [01:49:51] <erm3nda> BIOS can also disable pci devices
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598 [01:50:15] <ksft> g00se: replaced-url
599 [01:50:46] <g00se> aptitude install firmware-brcm80211
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602 [01:51:12] <ksft> g00se: now reboot?
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604 [01:51:36] <g00se> Yes
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608 [01:53:12] <ksft> g00se: okay, done
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612 [01:53:29] <ksft> iwconfig still just lists those two
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622 [02:00:47] <Butt3rfly> no it's not a laptop
623 [02:01:06] <Butt3rfly> debian desktop
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625 [02:02:08] <g00se> ksft: Might be good to pastebin whole of dmesg
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628 [02:02:55] <ksft> g00se: replaced-url
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636 [02:06:47] <g00se> What's your model - i've never seen a laptop without a wifi off switch
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638 [02:06:56] <ksft> it's a Lenovo Y50-70
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645 [02:10:10] <g00se> Fn -F5 controls the wireless
646 [02:10:46] <ksft> ran iwconfig before and after doing that
647 [02:10:58] <ksft> it doesn't have a light or anything to see when it's on and when it's off
648 [02:11:16] <ksft> no change in the iwconfig output
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650 [02:12:23] <g00se> It's 1 AM here and i'm afraid i have to go. best of luck!
651 [02:12:40] <ksft> thank you for your help so far
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653 [02:14:52] <g00se> Toggle the function key and check dmesg each time
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655 [02:15:23] <ksft> g00se: it isn't changing
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660 [02:18:16] <Butt3rfly> ug
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662 [02:18:27] <Butt3rfly> where has the root terminal gone?
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670 [02:20:57] <jak2000> hi all
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672 [02:21:20] <jak2000> how to detect why my HDD is full? how to know wich files are the more bigest than 500Mb ?
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674 [02:21:49] <ksft> jak2000: try running `df -hd 1 ~ | sort -h`
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677 [02:22:47] <jak2000> df: invalid option -- 'd'
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679 [02:23:25] <ksft> du*
680 [02:23:33] <ksft> jak2000: `du -hd 1 ~ | sort -h`
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682 [02:24:44] <jak2000> replaced-url
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685 [02:25:31] <ksft> well it isn't your home directory taking up your space
686 [02:25:36] <jak2000> yes
687 [02:25:40] <jak2000> maybe mysql temp files
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690 [02:26:22] <ksft> run that command on another directory (replace the '~' with the path to it) to see what files and subdirectories there are taking up a lot of space
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692 [02:26:54] <jak2000> sudo du -hd 1 / | sort -h
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697 [02:29:27] <jak2000> replaced-url
698 [02:29:33] <jak2000> see any strange?
699 [02:30:50] <ksft> your only using 8.4 GB
700 [02:30:53] <ksft> that isn't that much
701 [02:31:29] <jak2000> the hard disk is about 9gb
702 [02:31:35] <jak2000> i need 1 gb minimum
703 [02:31:46] <ksft> 9 GB?
704 [02:31:51] <ksft> wow, that's small
705 [02:31:59] <ksft> I think that's your problem
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713 [02:33:51] <jak2000> in /var/log
714 [02:33:54] <jak2000> exist much space
715 [02:33:57] <jak2000> tahe 2.2 gb
716 [02:33:59] <jak2000> of space
717 [02:34:05] <jak2000> can i delete here something?
718 [02:34:08] <ksft> I don't know enough to help more, unfortunately
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737 [02:38:41] <jak2000> ksft
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740 [02:38:59] <jak2000> is possible run some command after the pc or server is rebooted?
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742 [02:39:18] <ksft> jak2000: I'm pretty sure that's possible, but I don't know how.
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744 [02:39:39] <jak2000> oki
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746 [02:39:58] <ksft> I'm mostly here to get help. I just happened to know how to look at which files and directories are taking up a lot of space.
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753 [02:41:31] <Butt3rfly> jak2000: man cron
754 [02:41:53] <jak2000> yes i know cron
755 [02:41:58] <jak2000> but i know a hour and minute
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760 [02:43:55] <jak2000> mmm
761 [02:44:12] <jak2000> my harddisk is of 80gb why only see 11gb ?
762 [02:45:27] <jak2000> where is the rest
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768 [02:49:49] <tom99> does anybody know a way to install the kernel headers?
769 [02:50:01] <tom99> I tried using apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) and it doesn't work
770 [02:50:12] <tom99> error messages says a higher version is to be installed
771 [02:50:33] <tom99> And I dont' want to download 1GB of updates by running apt-get upgrade.
772 [02:50:35] <jak2000> replaced-url
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774 [02:51:04] <tom99> I need this to get virtualbox to work correctly with shared folders
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778 [02:54:10] <v3g4n> tom99: what version are you running? stable, testing, sid?
779 [02:54:30] <v3g4n> tom99: and kernel version, pls
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785 [02:55:50] <tom99> 3.2.0-4 but it says 3.2.81-1 is to be installed
786 [02:55:58] <tom99> i'm not sure, I think stable?
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793 [02:57:30] <tom99> my /etc/apt/sources.list has sources listed such as jessie-updates, jessie/updates, wheezy/updates
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795 [02:57:46] <tom99> one line says testing
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798 [02:58:06] <tom99> I'm sorry i can't paste any output here
799 [02:58:14] <tom99> Can't copy/paste from a virtual machine
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804 [02:59:21] <tom99> I see a download for linux kernel version 3.2.82 on kernel.org so maybe that's the latest one on the server
805 [02:59:47] <tom99> Anyway I'm about to give up on this
806 [02:59:55] <tom99> So I thought i'd ask in #debian see if anybody had any ideas
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809 [03:00:26] <v3g4n> tom99: don't be mixing repos. did you modify your /etc/apt/sources.list?
810 [03:00:30] <tom99> yes
811 [03:00:48] <tom99> I have no idea what I'm doing though, or why jessie is in there
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813 [03:01:06] <tom99> I'm running wheezy 7.5 in it I think.
814 [03:01:16] <v3g4n> tom99: if you want to stay with Wheezy, change jessie to wheezy.
815 [03:01:17] <tom99> Might be easier just to make a new Jessie 8.5 machine and use that
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817 [03:01:42] <v3g4n> tom99: I believe that is the reason for 1GB of updates
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819 [03:02:24] <biotim> see example sources.list for jessie here replaced-url
820 [03:02:47] <tom99> hmm same error message when I run apt-get install for linux-headers
821 [03:02:59] <tom99> I ask for the matching ones to my kernel but it says 3.2.81-1 is to be installed
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823 [03:03:07] <tom99> is there some way to just update the kernel with apt-get?
824 [03:03:16] <v3g4n> tom99: you would be better off using the lastest stable version which is Jessie
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826 [03:03:42] <biotim> did you run apt-get update after changing sources.list ?
827 [03:04:06] <v3g4n> ^
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829 [03:04:42] <tom99> yes biotim
830 [03:04:45] <tom99> same error
831 [03:04:50] <tom99> it says 3.2.81-1 is "to be installed"
832 [03:04:57] <tom99> therefore cannot proceed with 3.2.0-4
833 [03:05:07] <tom99> Can I just upgrade to 3.2.81-1 somehow?
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835 [03:05:19] <tom99> like maybe apt-get install kernel-headers?
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840 [03:06:26] <v3g4n> tom99: you need to make sure that you install is fully up to date. Wheezy is at 7.11.
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844 [03:07:07] <mrcrowley> hey I had some trouble installing tomcat7 with apt-get, it says some packages are unavailable, where can I find the source for those packages?
845 [03:07:09] <tom99> hmm it seems to be working now
846 [03:07:12] <tom99> and I don't want to do that v3g4n
847 [03:07:17] <tom99> that's like hours of downloading on a slow connection
848 [03:07:27] <tom99> I removed skype package which had some unmet depencies
849 [03:07:34] <tom99> maybe skype required 3.2.81-1?
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852 [03:08:02] <v3g4n> tom99: skype shouldn't
853 [03:08:05] <tom99> It says it can install headers for 3.2.0-4 now and is downloading
854 [03:08:09] <tom99> only thing i did was dpkg -r skype
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856 [03:08:39] <v3g4n> tom99: well there you go
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859 [03:09:26] <tom99> eh I guess so
860 [03:09:35] <tom99> I don't understand package management on debian
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867 [03:10:49] <tom99> now it's executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 3.2.0-4-486
868 [03:11:01] <mrcrowley> I found the packages on the debian website, just not sure how to add a source so that apt-get knows where they are
869 [03:11:38] <v3g4n> tom99: when you tried to install skype and left if with unresolved dependencies it needed to be fixed.
870 [03:11:56] <v3g4n> tom99: since you removed it apt was unblocked and able to work again
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872 [03:12:33] <v3g4n> tom99: typically when that happens I use apt-get install -f to resolve
873 [03:12:55] <tom99> v3g4n: is there a way to show all dependencies of an installed package? It listed 4 dependencies for skype and none were 3.2.81-1
874 [03:13:04] <tom99> oh ok
875 [03:13:08] <tom99> thanks
876 [03:13:23] <tom99> so i was just guessing, i had no clue if removing skype would do anything
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880 [03:15:34] <v3g4n> tom99: apt-cache showpkg <packagename>
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884 [03:16:32] <v3g4n> mrcrowley: are you on Jessie? I just did a test run and it would have installed
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886 [03:17:08] <mrcrowley> yes I am on Jessie
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888 [03:17:18] <pingfloyd> mrcrowley: you should probably pastebin your sources.list
889 [03:17:41] <mrcrowley> alright hold on, for some reason only jessie-updates was in there, gonna try it with just jessie
890 [03:17:55] <mrcrowley> damnit
891 [03:17:57] <mrcrowley> that was it
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894 [03:18:08] <pingfloyd> what was?
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896 [03:18:26] <mrcrowley> the sources.list only had jessie-updates not jessie
897 [03:19:40] <v3g4n> mrcrowley: I will post them, one sec
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900 [03:19:51] <mrcrowley> I will show what was in the sources.list
901 [03:20:35] <pingfloyd> you have both now?
902 [03:20:49] <pingfloyd> jessie-updates and jessie?
903 [03:21:37] <mrcrowley> yeah after adding jessie it worked fine
904 [03:21:53] <mrcrowley> for some reason copy and paste from the VM isn't working but that was the issue
905 [03:22:07] <mrcrowley> weird it didn't have jessie sources on a fresh install from the disk image
906 [03:22:16] <pingfloyd> replaced-url
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908 [03:23:28] <v3g4n> mrcrowley: replaced-url
909 [03:23:31] <pingfloyd> mrcrowley: which installer did you run?
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911 [03:24:39] <v3g4n> pingfloyd: ey, a fellow backporter.
912 [03:25:01] <v3g4n> pingfloyd: noticed the sid-src enabled in your sources. 8^D
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915 [03:26:15] <mrcrowley> I ran the installer off of debian-8.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
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917 [03:26:26] <pingfloyd> mrcrowley: I usually use netinst
918 [03:26:45] <mrcrowley> also totally possible I hosed something up because I left the disc in the drive...
919 [03:26:46] <pingfloyd> mrcrowley: I guess if you have a crappy connection, maybe dvd-1 is the way to go
920 [03:27:45] <pingfloyd> v3g4n: sometimes
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925 [03:29:55] <mrcrowley> alright well thanks for the help guys
926 [03:30:00] <v3g4n> pingfloyd: we do alot of backporting over at MX/Antix
927 [03:30:18] <v3g4n> mrcrowley: you get it figured out and working now?
928 [03:31:40] <mrcrowley> yeah tomcat7 is all installed now! now time to figure out the mysteries of Java
929 [03:31:59] <v3g4n> mrcrowley: haha, have fun
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938 [03:35:45] <mrcrowley> pastebin.com/PnDe6fwP is my sources.list by the way
939 [03:36:01] <mrcrowley> http:pastebin.com/PnDe6fwP
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941 [03:36:07] <mrcrowley> replaced-url
942 [03:36:38] <mrcrowley> ohhh seeing the DVD sources it all makes sense now
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951 [03:40:54] <v3g4n> mrcrowley: yep looks like you got them and are good to go
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953 [03:43:15] <Butt3rfly> replaced-url
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962 [03:47:05] <pingfloyd> Butt3rfly: what groups are you user in?
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964 [03:47:23] <pingfloyd> are you in audio group?
965 [03:47:58] <Butt3rfly> that was as root
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970 [03:49:36] <Butt3rfly> brb
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1003 [04:02:37] <climjark> anyone here know about projects that are free software alternatives to skype?
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1008 [04:05:57] <tom99> thanks v3g4n
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1011 [04:06:37] <v3g4n> tom99: it was all you ;^)
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1014 [04:06:54] <somiaj> climjark: there are various alternatives, partly depends on what features of skype you are wanting.
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1016 [04:07:22] <v3g4n> climjark: jitsi
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1018 [04:07:29] <awal1> jitsi, ekiga, linphone, basically
1019 [04:07:40] <jak2000> how to install openssh ?
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1022 [04:08:01] <somiaj> jak2000: apt-get install ssh will install the server and client, you can also install openssh-server and openssh-client indvidually
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1024 [04:08:16] <jak2000> somiaj thanks
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1026 [04:08:29] <awal1> a real alternative for skype (all features) is sadly inexistent in gnu/linux v3g4n
1027 [04:08:52] <tom99> lol ok well here's something you can tell me then
1028 [04:08:56] <awal1> also you have "firefox hello" (ifirefox standard release, not esr)
1029 [04:08:59] <tom99> what command do I use to see what user groups my user account is in?
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1031 [04:09:10] <tom99> i'm curious because it said virtualbox is creating a special group for this folder
1032 [04:09:15] <tom99> and without it i wouldn't have permissions
1033 [04:09:18] <somiaj> tom99: type 'groups'
1034 [04:09:52] <awal1> climjark, i was reffering , not v3g4n :P
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1038 [04:10:46] <Butt3rfly> so I've got the speaker test working in alsa, but I still have no sound :/
1039 [04:11:05] <tom99> thanks!
1040 [04:11:14] <awal1> check that with pavucontrol (+pulseaudio)
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1042 [04:11:44] <awal1> + paystray
1043 [04:11:51] <awal1> pasystray
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1046 [04:12:59] <somiaj> Butt3rfly: no sound in what program? do you have that program configured to use alsa and/or the correct sound card?
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1048 [04:13:14] <somiaj> or if you are using pulseaudio, then check pavucontrol
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1052 [04:14:01] <Butt3rfly> somiaj: I'm just using the speaker test in sound settings, so pulseaudio
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1064 [04:18:04] <x86iac> somiaj: if you means gov eveasdropping as s feature - only skype has that
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1069 [04:19:01] <x86iac> climjark: if you means gov eveasdropping as s feature - only skype has that
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1086 [04:26:12] <Nicho1as> Hi does anybody know why the output of 'uname -a' denotes two different version strings? : Linux 0-h0 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1088 [04:27:45] <Nicho1as> Is it just a mistake?
1089 [04:28:10] <climjark> x86iac: aw dam, nevermind then ;)
1090 [04:28:13] <x86iac> isn't the 2nd one where the date of compilation is suppose to be
1091 [04:28:19] <climjark> jk, thats what im trying to prevent lol
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1095 [04:32:11] <Butt3rfly> woo I have sound, from all 6 speakers, thanks you guys
1096 [04:32:42] <Nicho1as> x86iac: I just read the man page of uname and it says : --kernel-name --nodename --kernel-release --kernel-version --machine --processor --hardware-platform --operating-system
1097 [04:32:45] <x86iac> climjark: have you looked at phsip?
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1103 [04:35:08] <Nicho1as> x86iac: I just figured it out by issuing 'uname --kernel-version' the output was : '#1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02)'
1104 [04:35:56] <x86iac> Nicho1as: what does uname -v give it gives my number of compiles and the date ???
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1106 [04:36:10] <x86iac> that is -v
1107 [04:36:23] <Nicho1as> yeah -v is --kernel-version
1108 [04:37:00] <climjark> i have not, im trying to find info on it
1109 [04:37:01] <x86iac> is that in the kernel Makefile? your full version numbers like that
1110 [04:37:15] <Nicho1as> the confusing part saying 3.16.0-4-amd64 was --kernel-release
1111 [04:37:22] <x86iac> pjsip not phsip
1112 [04:37:29] <Butt3rfly> now I just need to adjust the speaker map to swap front center with subwoofer
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1114 [04:38:07] <x86iac> Butt3rfly: mplayer has s nice equalizer that can do that
1115 [04:38:15] <Nicho1as> x86iac: I don't know; I just installed the default kernel for Debian 8.5.0
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1118 [04:38:45] <x86iac> Nicho1as: do uname -a ;)
1119 [04:38:51] <Butt3rfly> there's a control in the pulseaudio config too
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1125 [04:41:30] <x86iac> and pjsip is cli - you might not like it that way
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1130 [04:45:23] <pingfloyd> Nicho1as: first numer is the version, the second number is the kernel release
1131 [04:45:54] <Nicho1as> pingfloyd: no, that's the opposite
1132 [04:46:24] <Nicho1as> 11:37:15 Nicho1as | the confusing part saying 3.16.0-4-amd64 was --kernel-release
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1134 [04:48:09] <x86iac> that will be in the Makefile
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1183 [05:23:32] <brizz> i have a directory whose permissions are d????????? ? ? ? ? ? media, its mounted...
1184 [05:24:02] <brizz> stuff i tried w/root is denying me permission
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1186 [05:24:37] <brizz> ..chattr: Permission denied while trying to stat media
1187 [05:25:31] <brizz> lsof: WARNING: can't stat(media): Permission denied
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1191 [05:28:44] <johnkeates> maybe it's just broken
1192 [05:28:47] <johnkeates> fsck
1193 [05:28:50] <johnkeates> check dmesg too
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1462 [07:50:37] <CtrlC> Any idea anyone?
1463 [07:51:13] <MaBunny> CtrlC, whats your question
1464 [07:51:24] <tom99> No idea
1465 [07:52:14] <CtrlC> MaBunny, I want to make sure my IP won't leak when using a socks proxy which is based on a debian server.
1466 [07:52:31] <MaBunny> idk,ask in ##linux
1467 [07:52:59] <tom99> What's with the ## thing anyway
1468 [07:53:03] <tom99> are those special channels?
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1503 [08:14:41] <ap4lmtree> hi
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1505 [08:14:56] <ap4lmtree> what program do you use to make a usb bootdisk from debian iso, in windows?
1506 [08:15:48] <missmbob> !win32diskimager
1507 [08:15:48] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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1512 [08:16:49] <ap4lmtree> thanks
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1622 [09:06:14] <MaBunny> installing openjdk-8-jdk for debian gives me these errors: replaced-url
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1625 [09:07:56] <missmbob> MaBunny backports now has 8u102. you're trying to get 8u91. probably just need an apt-get update
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1628 [09:09:29] <MaBunny> ok
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1630 [09:09:59] <jelly> also you may not want to answer "y" when apt tells you packages are not authenticated
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1632 [09:11:49] <MaBunny> ill update the package srcs and try reinstalling
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1684 [09:23:27] <MaBunny> working now guys
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1702 [09:27:18] <MaBunny> jelly how do i export a path to bash?
1703 [09:28:00] <MaBunny> i want to add a custom path to bashrc such tht whenever i run the commands present on tht folder,bash runs them
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1706 [09:29:30] <bezaban> MaBunny: must it be in .bashrc, or can you use .profile as intended? ;)
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1710 [09:29:41] <MaBunny> ok
1711 [09:29:43] <HaMsTeRs> Qt: XKEYBOARD extension not present on the X server.
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1714 [09:29:59] <bezaban> there's a part in .profile that appends things to PATH
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1717 [09:30:18] <MaBunny> ill just need to paste the line "export = /path/to/folder" in bashrc?
1718 [09:30:28] <bezaban> well, specifically bin.
1719 [09:30:39] <bezaban> no export doesn't work like that
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1722 [09:30:58] <bezaban> export PATH="$PATH:/path/to/folder"
1723 [09:31:05] <bezaban> actually. skip export
1724 [09:31:07] <MaBunny> ok
1725 [09:31:12] <bezaban> PATH="$PATH:/path/to/folder"
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1742 [09:39:07] <tom99> does path search from front to back or back to front?
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1755 [09:46:34] <jelly> tom99: first match.
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1758 [09:48:27] <jelly> so if you want to override an existing system path, put the directory containing it at the beginning before the old PATH eg. PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
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1801 [10:10:35] <bumbar_> are there any tools that show disk usage per process? nmon seems to only show per partition
1802 [10:10:55] <bezaban> processes don't really have disk usage
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1806 [10:11:45] <bezaban> you can see open files in use by a process at a given time using lsof and then check those files if that information is relevant
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1810 [10:12:58] <umbaman> guys I've got a logitech m570 mouse on debian 8 jessie
1811 [10:12:58] <bumbar_> by disk usage i mean i/o, not how much space they're occupying
1812 [10:13:04] <umbaman> how can I configure it?
1813 [10:13:53] <umbaman> actually I want to set the trackball speed
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1817 [10:16:30] <wokko> Hey guys, is debian uefi bootable?
1818 [10:16:31] <bezaban> bumbar_: ah right. For io you can try iotpo
1819 [10:16:37] <bezaban> iotop
1820 [10:16:55] <missmbob> wokko: sure. just not the live cd
1821 [10:17:25] <missmbob> wokko: debian doesnt support secure boot, though. so di
1822 [10:17:50] <wokko> missmbob: so what do I use to install? dvd iso?
1823 [10:18:10] <missmbob> wokko: or netinst. any type *but* live supports uefi
1824 [10:18:39] <wokko> missmbob: kool, thank you
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1867 [10:37:41] <doublehp> in init scripts using start-stop-daemon, should PIDFILE be created by start-stop-daemon or by my service ?
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1873 [10:41:38] <g00se1> Am intending to do a dist-upgrade squeeze->jessie. Wondering if it might be better to 'purge X' before doing that?
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1875 [10:42:23] <g00se1> I would do a fresh install but booting the installer is temporarily tricky
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1878 [10:46:21] <Drzacek> Hi. Is there a "lite" debian image I can download somewhere?
1879 [10:46:47] <missmbob> !netinst
1880 [10:46:47] <dpkg> rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
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1884 [10:47:42] <SynrGy> Drzacek: if you mean minimal desktop, just don't install a desktop, then install the packages you want afterwards
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1886 [10:48:23] <SynrGy> however:
1887 [10:48:24] <Drzacek> Well, for RPi I have raspbian lite, without gui, just the "essentials" for a system
1888 [10:48:26] <SynrGy> !lightweight
1889 [10:48:26] <dpkg> <mjg59> To a first approximation, when someone says "Lightweight" what they mean is "I don't understand the problems that the alternative solves". (replaced-url
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1892 [10:48:47] <Drzacek> okay, let me try again :)
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1896 [10:49:24] <isthisreallife> hi
1897 [10:49:38] <Drzacek> I have 4gb CF card, I have to squeeze debian (or debian-based) OS there, some of my own software (won't be too big, <50mb) and leave some space for documents (again, 50-100mb will be more than enough)
1898 [10:50:00] <missmbob> Drzacek: netinst is about 250M
1899 [10:50:03] <isthisreallife> i installed boost replaced-url
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1901 [10:50:13] <SynrGy> Drzacek: right. use netinst, then just uncheck Desktop when you get to software step
1902 [10:50:15] <isthisreallife> but having trouble running program written in c++
1903 [10:50:17] <isthisreallife> error while loading shared libraries: libboost_thread.so.1.50.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
1904 [10:50:21] <isthisreallife> how to fix it?
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1907 [10:51:05] <Drzacek> Is there a tool to create image of my OS then, so I can have it as a file and just burn it to another flash card, without installation?
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1911 [10:51:46] <missmbob> isthisreallife: why are you doing it manually? boost is in jessie
1912 [10:52:01] <isthisreallife> but i need version 1.50
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1914 [10:52:32] <jelly> isthisreallife: where did you get the binary that requires 1.50, and do they have something actually built for debian?
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1918 [10:53:31] <isthisreallife> i dont know, its not up to me
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1920 [10:53:39] <isthisreallife> just need to know how to install boost 1.50 correctly
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1928 [10:54:25] <missmbob> isthisreallife: there is #boost i'm sure they'd know
1929 [10:54:29] <Drzacek> was 1.50 in one of the older (debian) versions?
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1931 [10:54:55] <Drzacek> you could edit sources to get repos for that version and apt-get 1.50
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1933 [10:54:57] <missmbob> Drzacek: no. wheezy had 1.49 and jessie got 1.55
1934 [10:55:02] <jelly> it used to be, not sure whether in a release or just during testing
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1937 [10:55:35] <Drzacek> well, boost lib is mostly compatible, why can't you just get 1.61?
1938 [10:55:43] <jelly> isthisreallife: then ask the people who need said binary the same question
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1940 [10:56:02] <jelly> Drzacek: it's not about source-level compatibility
1941 [10:56:31] <jelly> they have a prebuilt program binary that someone built with boost1.50
1942 [10:56:45] <Drzacek> replaced-url
1943 [10:57:08] <Drzacek> you can always get it and install manually. I did it twice (on windows), it can be done
1944 [10:57:30] <jelly> isthisreallife: pastebin the output of "ldd /path/to/binary/that/fails/to/run"
1945 [10:57:57] <SynrGy> Drzacek: that's what they did
1946 [10:58:11] <Drzacek> aand?
1947 [10:58:14] <SynrGy> see the earlier provided paste
1948 [10:58:19] <SynrGy> not paying attention? :)
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2073 [10:58:52] <Drzacek> not really
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2076 [10:58:57] <Drzacek> blam!
2077 [10:58:58] <SynrGy> Drzacek: scroll back about 8 minutes
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2104 [11:00:17] <isthisreallife> replaced-url
2105 [11:00:21] <Drzacek> Well, it wants 1.50.so lib. Just be brutal, copy the 1.61.so or 1.55 (or whichever version you have) and rename it to 1.50.so
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2124 [11:02:16] <Drzacek> So back to my small debian problem. I need the "essential" pack - all the basic bash tools, maybe gcc, networking stuff + X + some minimal gui that could run qt application. How small my OS image could get to be usable (without any extreme tweaks)
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2127 [11:02:39] <SynrGy> Drzacek: if you want to uncheck 'standard' it will be even smaller
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2199 [11:03:12] <SynrGy> i couldn't say how small. try it and see?
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2214 [11:04:19] <Drzacek> I surely will try, just waiting for download to finish (gonna take a while on this connection)
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2216 [11:04:35] <SynrGy> Drzacek: i would install a base debian, add xorg, add a small wm & whatever else i need ... size will vary depending on your specific choices.
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2219 [11:04:57] <Drzacek> wm?
2220 [11:05:03] <SynrGy> window manager
2221 [11:05:07] <SynrGy> openbox or the like
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2226 [11:05:38] <armin> i have just asked an english native speaking colleague of mine if upgradable or upgradeable is correct ("apt list --upgradeable" vs. "apt list --upgradable") and he told me both are correct... ;)
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2229 [11:05:59] <SynrGy> Drzacek: beware that without 'standard' you're missing stuff most sys admins would reasonably expect to be installed by default
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2232 [11:06:43] <SynrGy> Drzacek: alternatively, you could go ahead and install standard, but afterwards, trim the things you know you don't need
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2235 [11:07:40] <jelly> installing just the base system is an interesting exercise for when you have time
2236 [11:07:44] <Drzacek> Is there a list what "standard" consist?
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2238 [11:07:54] <jelly> !standard
2239 [11:07:54] <dpkg> i guess standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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2241 [11:08:33] <Drzacek> I don't consider aptitude standard, never used that
2242 [11:08:41] <Drzacek> guess it vary from user to user
2243 [11:08:48] <SynrGy> saying that it installs 'required' is redundant, i think, as a debootstrap would pull those in anyway
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2245 [11:09:22] <SynrGy> i.e. i don't believe if you omit the standard task it will omit any required packages
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2251 [11:11:15] <jelly> Drzacek: aptitude is a tool to show the answer to the question you asked
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2253 [11:12:04] <jelly> whether it is "standard" itself remains for you to find out after running the command!
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2257 [11:12:25] <tom99> kk
2258 [11:14:03] <Drzacek> Looks like I have to just get there and install it and see for myself
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2260 [11:14:12] <SynrGy> aptitude is in fact optional
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2262 [11:14:48] <SynrGy> but this is a moot point. it will answer the question :)
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2270 [11:20:53] <jelly> hmm, bsd-mailx still preferred over heirloom-mailx?
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2274 [11:24:22] <SynrGy> jelly: transitional package upgrading to s-nail, hmm
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2279 [11:25:36] <SynrGy> jelly: but both are priority optional (s-nail and bsd-mailx). i guess which is 'preferred' is a matter of how apt resolves it
2280 [11:25:55] <SynrGy> if a package only depends on 'mailx', with no preferred alternative, it will be arbitrary
2281 [11:27:06] <jelly> oh jeez, yet another one?
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2283 [11:27:23] <SynrGy> well, it's a heirloom fork, apparently
2284 [11:27:38] <SynrGy> i guess the parent died upstream?
2285 [11:27:56] <SynrGy> (did not check bug history / changelogs)
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2287 [11:29:31] <jelly> for some reason aptitude show ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant gives me bsd-mailx
2288 [11:29:47] <SynrGy> different for stable, maybe?
2289 [11:30:15] <SynrGy> yeah. priority has been dropped
2290 [11:30:25] <jelly> looking forward to heirl^H^H^H^H^Hs-nail then
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2293 [11:30:37] <SynrGy> :)
2294 [11:30:45] <jelly> whcih I'm going to be mistyping as s-mail forever
2295 [11:30:55] <SynrGy> but with no mailx-providing package at priority standard, i guess people no longer get a mailx
2296 [11:31:32] <jelly> :'(
2297 [11:31:33] <SynrGy> not even mailutils
2298 [11:31:40] <SynrGy> they're all 'optional'
2299 [11:31:45] <jelly> oh HELL NOT mailutils
2300 [11:31:47] <jelly> :-)
2301 [11:31:49] <SynrGy> hehe
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2354 [11:55:33] <bigterd> any ddrescue fans? i'm in an odd situation. been using a log file from start, but only rescued 3986 out of 3995 Gb, retry 0, and it keeps finishing with 127 errors with 9000Kb of errorsize...wtf!?!
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2356 [11:55:52] <bigterd> i've tried all kinds of switches, it won't do anything with the last 10Gb, just the 127 errors... ddrescueviewer shows the 10gb marked as non-tried...but it won't attempt to pull it. am i missing something obvious?
2357 [11:56:22] <SynrGy> bigterd: are you outputting to a filesystem that doesn't support files greater than 4TB?
2358 [11:56:32] <SynrGy> seems likely given the symptom
2359 [11:56:38] <SynrGy> this is not ddrescue's fault
2360 [11:56:39] <bigterd> doubtful. mdadm raid5 with ext4
2361 [11:56:52] <bigterd> so i assume not.
2362 [11:57:20] <bigterd> ext4 supports over 4gb files, correct?
2363 [11:57:30] <SwedeMike> bigterd: yes.
2364 [11:57:49] <bigterd> if i up the retry#, it just focuses on those 127 errors....
2365 [11:57:52] <SynrGy> GB or TB?
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2367 [11:57:56] <SynrGy> i'm confused
2368 [11:58:14] <SynrGy> "... but only rescued 3986 out of 3995 Gb"
2369 [11:58:21] <SwedeMike> bigterd: replaced-url
2370 [11:58:37] <SynrGy> the size is dependent on what blocksize you chose
2371 [11:58:44] <bigterd> if i retrim or anything, it just resets the retry count on the 127errors, then finishes. does nothing with the remaining 10Gb.
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2373 [11:58:58] <bigterd> i used default's.
2374 [11:59:01] <SynrGy> i think
2375 [11:59:05] <SwedeMike> bigterd: are you using gddrescue or dd_rescue? One is slightly better than the other.
2376 [11:59:10] <bigterd> dd_rescue
2377 [11:59:15] <SwedeMike> try gddrescue
2378 [11:59:16] <bigterd> erm, sorry, gddrescue
2379 [11:59:31] <SwedeMike> ok, I seem to remember that's the one people recommend.
2380 [11:59:48] <bigterd> Created by GNU ddrescue version 1.20
2381 [12:00:12] <bigterd> i'm stumped why it won't continue with the 10Gb and it's marked as non-tried.
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2383 [12:00:31] <bigterd> no kernel or errors, the outputs ends with 'finished' too.
2384 [12:01:06] <bigterd> doesn't complaing bout outfile issues (space, etc).
2385 [12:01:59] <bigterd> SynrGy, i'm trying to image a 3996gb, almost 4Tb partition, with ddrescue.
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2388 [12:02:39] <SynrGy> could be decimal vs binary size reporting difference?
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2390 [12:02:46] <bigterd> i want to make sure i can get all i can get, before i make 2 copies and start fiddling with the file system.
2391 [12:02:59] <bigterd> took 6 weeks to get where i'm at.
2392 [12:03:00] <SynrGy> it just looks suspiciously like a 4TB limit
2393 [12:03:09] <bigterd> hm.
2394 [12:03:53] <bigterd> wtf? then why is theres a huge line of untried blocks in ddrescueviewer that says 9.something Gb?
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2397 [12:04:02] <bigterd> right in the start of the block maps?
2398 [12:04:19] <bigterd> even says pending
2399 [12:05:30] <bigterd> ext4 on 4block has 16Tb file limit.
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2401 [12:07:01] <bigterd> i hope it's not because i didn't specify 4k sectors instead of default 512 with ddrescue's input......
2402 [12:07:06] <bigterd> :/
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2405 [12:07:50] <SynrGy> bigterd: does the ext4 have 64bit feature enabled?
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2408 [12:08:13] <SynrGy> looks like another limiting factor
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2410 [12:08:24] <bigterd> SynrGy, tune2fs will answer that?
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2413 [12:10:27] <SynrGy> i guess? i see some other relevant feature names (huge_file?)
2414 [12:10:34] <SynrGy> i'm no expert
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2418 [12:11:17] <SynrGy> i don't see '64' in the output for mine
2419 [12:11:38] <SynrGy> Filesystem features: has_journal ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery extent flex_bg sparse_super large_file huge_file uninit_bg dir_nlink extra_isize
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2424 [12:12:56] <SynrGy> bigterd: i'm not even sure if 64bit feature is relevant. seems to have to do with checksums
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2426 [12:13:13] <bigterd> filesystem size, doubles the amount of blocks
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2428 [12:13:34] <bigterd> 4k 64bit allows for volume size of 64ZiB
2429 [12:14:30] <bigterd> replaced-url
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2431 [12:14:58] <bigterd> buuut, this says file size, block maps, 4TiB....for 4k blocks on 32bit volumes...
2432 [12:15:02] <bigterd> did i just fuck myself?
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2435 [12:17:08] <bigterd> maybe not
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2448 [12:26:29] <g00se2> >>It seems that this computer is configured to boot via EFI .. That installer message has always confused me. I'm installing jessie on an ancient laptop that will know nothing of EFI. What gives and do i answer yes or no?
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2466 [12:35:29] <g00se2> >>It seems that this computer is configured to boot via EFI .. That installer message has always confused me. I'm installing jessie on an ancient laptop that will know nothing of EFI. What gives and do i answer yes or no?
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2485 [12:51:38] <jelly> g00se2: if you're reasonbly sure the computer can boot from a MBR-formatted disk and using BIOS method not UEFI, then say no I guess
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2489 [12:55:49] <g00se2> That's what i did ;) Sounds all very odd when EFI not even relevant
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2495 [13:00:23] <bjornar_> Is there a packaging channel
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2507 [13:07:37] <SynrGy> bjornar_: yes. #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net
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2511 [13:10:10] <bjornar_> SynrGy, thanks.
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2513 [13:10:49] <ewanas> Hi all. Has anyone had any gnutls handshake failed type error while using curl or git or any TLS-based software?
2514 [13:11:01] <ewanas> I've been getting these errors from all programs for a week now
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2517 [13:12:15] <ewanas> The solution for git to work was to compile it with openssl manually, but then I noticed curl is also affected, so I'd rather fix the gnutls dependency instead
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2576 [13:48:16] <r3m1> hello
2577 [13:48:25] <tom99> hi
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2581 [13:50:03] <r3m1> noob question: have 2 scripts that I have put in /etc/init.d I want to set them up using update-rc.d
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2583 [13:50:17] <r3m1> I just need one script to run before the other. the rest can be default
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2585 [13:50:43] <r3m1> I tried update-rc.d script1 defaults 10
2586 [13:50:54] <r3m1> then script2 defaults 20
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2589 [13:51:05] <doublehp> r3m1: scripts are not run from init.d but from rcX.d; the first one should have a lower number
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2591 [13:51:34] <doublehp> r3m1: read about linux standard base; you need to use the LSB headers
2592 [13:52:00] <doublehp> r3m1: replaced-url
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2594 [13:52:16] <doublehp> r3m1: one must depend from the other
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2596 [13:52:28] <SynrGy> r3m1: in particular, the old, static way to configure init script ordering is deprecated. debian now uses automatic dependency resolution based on LSB headers.
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2598 [13:52:54] <r3m1> ok
2599 [13:53:00] <SynrGy> this allows for, e.g., parallel sequencing where there are no dependencies, for faster boot
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2601 [13:53:31] <tom99> I don't understand any of what you said
2602 [13:53:35] <tom99> but it sounds impressive
2603 [13:53:52] <doublehp> imlpressive != evolution
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2605 [13:54:46] <tom99> So this guide I'm looking at from 2007 is deprecated when it says things like # update-rc.d -f apache2 remove
2606 [13:55:01] <r3m1> doublehp: you are working on TIC reader ? :D
2607 [13:55:18] <doublehp> r3m1: depends what you call TIC
2608 [13:55:23] <SynrGy> i didn't say update-rc.d was deprecated. i said that static init script ordering is deprecated.
2609 [13:55:23] <r3m1> teleinfo client
2610 [13:55:31] <doublehp> r3m1: yes
2611 [13:56:09] <r3m1> doublehp: me aswell
2612 [13:56:10] <doublehp> r3m1: there are loads of existing apps, but I have to manage things my own way; I never trust other people; each rPI may have to handle up to 4 meters
2613 [13:56:18] <tom99> SynrGy: hmm makes slightly more sense to me now
2614 [13:56:39] <tom99> I assume this #Default-Start and #Default-Stop lines are the headers you mentioned?
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2616 [13:57:13] <doublehp> r3m1: I have used the skeleton script; works better than reading LSB tutos
2617 [13:57:45] <r3m1> doublehp: I have used it aswell, at least for script1 , the other is a legacy
2618 [13:58:07] <r3m1> so I have to put the name of the script that should be run first in Required-start field ?
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2620 [13:59:15] <doublehp> r3m1: ATM checking the limits of serial buffering; up to 50% CPU used time, I can recover all frames (i simulate with a sleep5 every 10s). After this, I have loss, not due to buffer, but due to DB not accepting too many frames at the same time
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2626 [14:01:53] <r3m1> nice
2627 [14:02:16] <r3m1> did you do the hardware for demodulating the frames ?
2628 [14:02:32] <r3m1> or did you buy existing ?
2629 [14:02:32] <doublehp> r3m1: yes; quote my nick
2630 [14:04:29] <tom99> I just finished reading a tutorial about lsb init scripts
2631 [14:04:40] <tom99> and now you've moved on to a different yet just as indecipherable topic
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2634 [14:05:57] <tom99> r3ml: Required-Start is the services that should be started before the current service
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2636 [14:06:39] <doublehp> r3m1: many schematics available; I need too many to buy them; replaced-url
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2638 [14:07:12] <SynrGy> doublehp, tom99: a very nice topic for #debian-offtopic, btw :)
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2642 [14:07:33] <SynrGy> er, r3m1 *
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2648 [14:08:27] <tom99> SynrGy: I have no idea what I'm doing, barely got virtualbox debian guest to share folder with my windows host
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2658 [14:12:31] <tom99> for example
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2660 [14:12:55] <tom99> when I use ps -e to check for the cron process, I see cron has a pid of xyz
2661 [14:13:06] <tom99> but in /var/run where the pid is expected to be listed it says /var/run/crond.pid
2662 [14:13:15] <tom99> not cron.pid, but crond.pid
2663 [14:13:22] <tom99> things like this confuse me
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2665 [14:13:38] <doublehp> tom99: what are you REALLY looking for ?
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2670 [14:14:15] <doublehp> tom99: var run refers to the background daemon, not to the temporaly cession
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2673 [14:14:42] <tom99> so a daemon is not a process?
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2675 [14:15:01] <tom99> they have the same pid number
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2683 [14:15:40] <SynrGy> tom99: i think the distinction doublehp was trying to make is that for any given cron job (which can run as arbitrary users) the process created to handle that job will be temporary
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2686 [14:15:58] <SynrGy> crond, on the other hand, manages all those processes.
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2688 [14:16:11] <SynrGy> does that clarify things at all? like doublehp, i don't understand what you're really trying to solve.
2689 [14:16:36] <sumi> hello
2690 [14:16:52] <doublehp> tom99: forks and threads are complicated; they can have same name and different PID, or, same PID and different names ...
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2692 [14:17:53] <doublehp> tom99: you can not rely on either PID, or name in "ps" to know if a daemon is really working; it does the job 99% of the time, then, some day, does not do what you want
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2719 [14:32:13] <RichiH> SwedeMike: also, hi
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2726 [14:35:32] <tom99> Thanks Synrgy
2727 [14:35:44] <tom99> doublehp's answer was more confusing and thereby more enlightening
2728 [14:36:01] <doublehp> happens
2729 [14:36:04] <SynrGy> so you take a mystical view to learning debian?
2730 [14:36:20] * SynrGy suspects tom99 may be a gnostic
2731 [14:36:45] <tom99> Hey I didn't design a system where threads can have the same name and diff PIDs or diff names and the same PIDs
2732 [14:37:05] <tom99> That may be mysticism in some way though. lol.
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2734 [14:37:49] <tom99> To answer your question, I wanted to write my own init script for LSB and see if I could insert it into the rc2.d folder with update-rc.d
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2745 [14:40:06] <jaggz> something is setting GREP_OPTIONS when I start a new shell.. how do I find out exactly where that is?
2746 [14:40:11] <jaggz> I've already grepped through /etc and /home
2747 [14:40:16] <tom99> Right now I copied and renamed nfs-kernel-server but not sure if I need insserv or not
2748 [14:40:17] <jaggz> uhh.. /home/jaggz :)
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2751 [14:41:36] <isthisreallife> error while loading shared libraries: libcurlpp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2752 [14:41:41] <isthisreallife> how to install it?
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2758 [14:43:10] <jelly> isthisreallife: pastebin the FULL output of "ldd /path/to/command/that/fails", including the ldd line.
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2760 [14:43:19] <jelly> !paste
2761 [14:43:20] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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2764 [14:46:12] <isthisreallife> replaced-url
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2770 [14:47:27] <jelly> isthisreallife: so just that one library is missing. You can hunt for it on packages.debian.org, or ask the bot:
2771 [14:47:45] <jim> termbin paste is kinda handy too, it just needs netcat
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2779 [14:49:11] <jelly> ./msg judd file libcurlpp.so.0* --arch amd64
2780 [14:49:17] <jelly> /msg judd file libcurlpp.so.0* --arch amd64
2781 [14:49:35] <jelly> isthisreallife: if there's a sane looking result, install that package
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2785 [14:50:30] <jelly> there's also a third option to search for files in packages,
2786 [14:50:32] <jelly> !apt-file
2787 [14:50:32] <dpkg> apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
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2803 [14:58:08] <tom99> hmm ok I think I get the new V style of scripts
2804 [14:58:20] <tom99> all the scripts providing start|stop|reload commands are in /etc/init.d
2805 [14:58:55] <tom99> The /etc/rc1.d, /etc/rc2.d, etc dirs all have symlinks to those scripts
2806 [14:59:18] <tom99> the numbers and S or K tell the sequence of exectuion and whether to run 'start' or 'stop'
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2808 [14:59:43] <jelly> tom99: that's... not actually new, but rather 30-ish years old?
2809 [14:59:48] <tom99> and update-rc.d takes the name of your script and renames the symlinks so order is preserved
2810 [15:00:07] <jelly> (it's older than linux!)
2811 [15:00:10] <tom99> lol
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2813 [15:00:22] <tom99> so maybe the new part is using the LSB headers at the top then to determine the run order?
2814 [15:00:44] <tom99> E.g. Required-Start and Required-Stop
2815 [15:00:51] <jelly> lsb headers to denote dependencies and enable parallelization are a recent addition yes
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2817 [15:01:02] <tom99> well don't know anything
2818 [15:01:16] <tom99> so I'm just learning as I go
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2824 [15:01:45] <tom99> There's also a superuser question about it.
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2826 [15:02:08] <tom99> So I should probably use SE in addition to trying to decipher man pages and follow along with random questions in here. :D
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2830 [15:03:05] <tom99> thanks jelly, and I'm out
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2833 [15:04:36] <jelly> good luck!
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2841 [15:07:03] <lazy8> How do you upgrade to Linux from Windows?
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2860 [15:13:01] <jelly> lazy8: you don't, you install linux beside or wipe windows and install linux as the only OS
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2863 [15:13:46] <M-alex_mayorga> ¡Hola! Does replaced-url
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2865 [15:15:06] <jelly> M-alex_mayorga: you can remove security and -updates repos, those make no sense in sid
2866 [15:15:15] <jelly> also,
2867 [15:15:17] <jelly> !debian-next
2868 [15:15:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2870 [15:15:32] <M-alex_mayorga> jelly: Thanks on looking. ¡Gracias!
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2872 [15:15:40] <jelly> de nada
2873 [15:16:30] <MrKeuner> Hello everyone, my workstation is to be upgraded to a new system. To ease the transition, I thought I could copy the list of installed packages on the current system from synaptic and have them installed on the new system. However, old system is Deb7 and the new one Deb8 and I don't want to install unnecessary packages. Is there a way to list only the packages that I asked to be installed? For example, I asked to install appache2 and dpkg
2874 [15:16:30] <MrKeuner> installed 15 dependencies, some of which may have changed now in Deb
2875 [15:17:07] <M-alex_mayorga> jelly: replaced-url
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2878 [15:17:15] <MrKeuner> if I can get only the package names like apache2 but not the dependencies that were installed together with it, that would be awesome
2879 [15:17:38] <MrKeuner> am I making sense? :)
2880 [15:17:53] <M-alex_mayorga> MrKeuner: Wouldn't the upgrade take care of all this for you?
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2883 [15:18:13] <M-alex_mayorga> MrKeuner: Unless you mean the workstation is being replaced.
2884 [15:18:20] <MrKeuner> M-alex_mayorga, latter is the case
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2886 [15:18:39] <M-alex_mayorga> MrKeuner: Just shwit the hard drive ;-)
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2888 [15:18:51] <MrKeuner> not under my discretion
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2890 [15:19:10] <MrKeuner> though worked perfectly in my home computer for a similar issue
2891 [15:19:16] <lazy8> Does fdisk only use mbr?
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2893 [15:19:48] <jelly> MrKeuner: /msg dpkg aptitude clone
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2898 [15:20:26] <jelly> (yes it makes perfect sense to only install stuff that was manually installed)
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2902 [15:21:30] <M-alex_mayorga> MrKeuner: Synaptic then click "Status" and look for "Installed (manually)"
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2905 [15:22:18] <M-alex_mayorga> MrKeuner: My translation might be off a bit as this Debian "habla español" =)
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2908 [15:23:25] <MrKeuner> jelly, M-alex_mayorga thank you
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2913 [15:24:50] <jelly> MrKeuner: you could also clone the complete system, and do an in-place release upgrade wheezy->jessie (7 -> 8)
2914 [15:25:32] <MrKeuner> jelly, there is heavy in company configurations, I am worried that an upgrade would break them
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2917 [15:25:45] <MrKeuner> I'll let them install their Deb8
2918 [15:25:50] <jelly> ah
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2937 [15:32:47] <jelly> ,v postfix
2938 [15:32:49] <judd> Package: postfix on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.9.6-2; wheezy-backports: 2.11.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.11.3-1; stretch: 3.1.0-5+b1; sid: 3.1.0-5+b1
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2945 [15:35:03] <greycat> My libc5 based Perforce server died. No, that is not a typo. It was libc5. Perforce version so old the museums would not want it. Someone recommend a replacement. It should be something I can understand and implement without needing a graduate level course (i.e. git). Go.
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2952 [15:37:08] <jelly> git is the most common option these days, so... maybe git into it?
2953 [15:37:17] <greycat> :-/
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2955 [15:37:32] <jubo2> y0 quick question that is not fully Debian-specific
2956 [15:37:44] <jubo2> got a bunch of sites that are hosted on an Apache2.4 now
2957 [15:38:05] <jubo2> do I gain much from going through the trouble when moving the sites to switch from Apache to Nginx
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2959 [15:38:08] <jubo2> I've used both
2960 [15:38:17] <jubo2> I know Nginx has less painfull conf syntax
2961 [15:38:39] <jubo2> I use both actually. An Apache and an Nginx
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2967 [15:40:10] <ksft> I'm having trouble connecting to wifi.
2968 [15:40:23] <ksft> I'm on Debian 8.5.
2969 [15:40:45] <ksft> lshw lists my wifi adapter thing, but iwconfig just shows "lo" and "eth0"
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2974 [15:42:02] <jelly> ksft: maybe you're missing firmware, what's the "lspci -nn" or "lsusb" line for your wifi card?
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2976 [15:43:02] <ksft> jelly: Broadcom Corporation BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter
2977 [15:43:21] <jelly> that's not the whole line
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2979 [15:43:28] <frzr> Hi folks
2980 [15:43:29] <missmbob> he's looking for pciid
2981 [15:43:37] <greycat> And today's fun fact is: the heirloom-mailx package uses /usr/lib/sendmail instead of /usr/sbin/sendmail. Ask me how I learned this one.
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2985 [15:43:52] <frzr> if i want to prepend a command to all bash commands how would i do this? :):)
2986 [15:43:53] <jelly> greycat: how old a debian is that
2987 [15:44:00] <greycat> wheezy
2988 [15:44:03] <ksft> jelly: "08:00.0 Network controller [0280]: " before that
2989 [15:44:06] <nkuttler> frzr: sounds like a custom prompt
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2991 [15:44:19] <nkuttler> frzr: or in a script? what are you trying to do anyway?
2992 [15:44:23] <missmbob> ksft: pciid is in this format xxxx:xxxx
2993 [15:44:26] <jelly> ksft: you didn't paste EXACTLY the useful info!
2994 [15:44:30] <jelly> congrats
2995 [15:44:36] <ksft> jelly: " [14e4:43b1] (rev 03"
2996 [15:44:38] <ksft> )*
2997 [15:44:43] <jelly> better.
2998 [15:44:44] <frzr> for aall commands in the bash shell
2999 [15:44:47] <frzr> :)
3000 [15:44:50] <greycat> Why is it so hard for you to just paste the whole line...
3001 [15:45:00] <jelly> judd: pciid 14e4:43b1
3002 [15:45:02] <judd> [14e4:43b1] is 'BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Broadcom Limited' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
3003 [15:45:08] <jelly> hmm
3004 [15:45:13] <ksft> greycat: I don't know how to copy and paste with this terminal
3005 [15:45:42] <missmbob> !pastebinit
3006 [15:45:42] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
3007 [15:46:04] <ksft> thought it would be more convenient for you if I just typed out the one relevant line
3008 [15:46:09] <frzr> custom prompt? like change ps1?
3009 [15:46:17] <jelly> /lib/modules/4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64/modules.alias:alias pci:v000014E4d000043B1sv*sd*bc*sc*i* bcma
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3011 [15:46:26] <ksft> it's whatever xfce's default terminal thing is
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3013 [15:46:55] <ksft> the next to lines might be relevant too...
3014 [15:46:57] <ksft> two*
3015 [15:47:03] <jelly> ksft: try this
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3017 [15:47:07] <jelly> !jessie-backports
3018 [15:47:07] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
3019 [15:47:10] <jelly> !bpo kernel
3020 [15:47:11] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
3021 [15:47:17] <ksft> jelly: I did that already
3022 [15:47:27] <ksft> replaced-url
3023 [15:47:37] <ksft> there's the full output from `lspci -nn`
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3027 [15:48:12] <jelly> ksft: install the kernel _and_ firmware-brcm80211 from jessie-backports, boot it?
3028 [15:49:04] <ksft> kernel was already installed
3029 [15:49:10] <ksft> just installed firmware-brcm80211
3030 [15:49:13] <ksft> rebooting...
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3035 [15:50:37] <ksft> `iwconfig` still just lists "lo" and "eth0"
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3038 [15:51:07] <jelly> was worth a try
3039 [15:51:15] <jelly> !BCM4352
3040 [15:51:16] <dpkg> Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the Broadcom BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225, BCM43227, BCM43228, BCM43142, BCM4331, BCM4352 and BCM4360 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see replaced-url
3041 [15:51:24] <jelly> then try that, I guess
3042 [15:51:30] <ksft> I think I also did that already
3043 [15:51:57] <ksft> oh, yeah
3044 [15:52:00] <ksft> `modprobe wl` didn't work
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3046 [15:53:19] <jelly> you'll probably want to "modprobe -r bcma" if it's loaded
3047 [15:53:32] <ksft> replaced-url
3048 [15:53:39] <jelly> it seems to try and claim your pci id
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3050 [15:53:54] <ksft> okay, ran that
3051 [15:53:55] <ksft> no output
3052 [15:54:01] <jelly> did it load?
3053 [15:54:09] <ksft> I don't know; there was no output
3054 [15:54:25] <ksft> how do I check?
3055 [15:54:26] <jelly> use "lsmod" to list the kernel modules currently loaded
3056 [15:54:53] <jelly> and new dmesg lines may or may not appear during module load and/or removal
3057 [15:54:54] <ksft> `lsmod | grep bcma` gives no output
3058 [15:54:58] <greycat> Well, building git on HP-UX might be difficult. So this might be one more nail in the coffin of my HP-UX workstation.
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3060 [15:55:06] <jelly> ksft: good?
3061 [15:55:17] <ksft> doesn't look like it
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3063 [15:56:16] <jelly> you've now cleaned up the free driver; making wl driver work is the next thing to do
3064 [15:56:28] <ksft> oh, modprobe -r *removes* modules
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3066 [15:56:47] <jelly> make sure it's built properly and it loads properly; details are outside my area of expertise
3067 [15:57:00] * jelly has no clue about "wl"
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3075 [15:58:41] <veek> i just discovered debsecan..
3076 [15:58:59] <veek> 62 high urgency, remotely exploitable bugs
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3080 [15:59:41] <veek> is there a tool that you can run to find out which apps are most affected
3081 [16:00:02] <veek> basically do a ldd and collate the info
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3083 [16:00:23] <greycat> Oh, it gets funner and funner... my *Linux* workstation doesn't have a fixed IP address. Am I going to need to get it a fixed address if I want it to act as an NFS server when I initiate a "cp ~wooledg/blah" operation from the production server to pull files from my Linux workstation instead of from my HP-UX workstation?
3084 [16:00:38] <ksdfjhvsdfg23948> my hard drive says this: replaced-url
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3087 [16:01:11] <greycat> Or is autofs intelligent enough to look up hostnames in DNS *on the fly* instead of caching an old one for 17 months?
3088 [16:01:27] <greycat> I know nfs-server is NOT intelligent enough for this. But I don't know about autofs.
3089 [16:02:05] <EmleyMoor> ksdfjhvsdfg23948: I'd say that is probably worth replacing...
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3091 [16:02:40] <EmleyMoor> greycat: As autofs merely provides a layer on top of nfs-server etc., I doubt it will be that intelligent
3092 [16:02:52] <greycat> No, autofs is a client layer, not a server layer.
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3094 [16:03:14] <veek> nfs can mount ip's surely..
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3097 [16:03:52] <greycat> When my Linux system gets an address from DHCP, it sends a message to my DNS server reporting what its new IP address is. But this may change.
3098 [16:04:00] <greycat> Eh, fuck it. I'll request a fixed IP address.
3099 [16:04:33] <EmleyMoor> Actually, yes, it works client side...
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3111 [16:08:49] <ksft> I'm getting this when I run `modprobe wl`: replaced-url
3112 [16:09:00] <ksft> I'm trying to connect to a wifi network.
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3114 [16:09:34] <themill> greycat: no idea why your mailx was looking at /usr/lib/sendmail -- there's a giant patch to make it use /usr/sbin/sendmail as per policy
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3116 [16:09:52] <greycat> themill: it's wheezy... should I even bother filing a bug?
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3118 [16:10:28] <themill> oh, meh.
3119 [16:10:58] <abrotman> ksft: pastebin the full command, and full output
3120 [16:11:03] <themill> it's never going to get fixed as wheezy is on life support at this stage
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3124 [16:14:34] <ksft> abrotman: done
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3126 [16:14:47] <ksft> the full command was `sudo modprobe wl`
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3131 [16:17:15] <jelly> greycat: heirloom-mailx in jessie doesn't seem to have any mention of usr/lib anywhere in the package
3132 [16:17:35] <jelly> dpkg -L heirloom-mailx |xargs fgrep -a usr/lib
3133 [16:17:35] <dpkg> No packages found matching heirloom-mailx |xargs fgrep -a usr/lib
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3135 [16:17:55] <greycat> jelly: strings /usr/bin/mailx (on jessie) contains /usr/sbin/sendmail so you are probably correct
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3138 [16:18:22] <greycat> strings /usr/bin/mailx on wheezy contains /usr/lib/sendmail
3139 [16:18:41] <greycat> In any case, I made the /usr/lib/sendmail symlink and this fixed the issue I had.
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3143 [16:18:42] <jelly> in unrelated news, TIL: s-nail replaces heirloom-mailx in stretch
3144 [16:19:00] <greycat> there's more than one nail? :-?
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3147 [16:20:05] <jelly> greycat: env|grep usr/lib or any other weird greycat-only setting?
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3150 [16:20:43] <jelly> I mean /usr/lib/sendmail hasn't been there since... sarge? woody?
3151 [16:20:58] <greycat> I'm fairly confident that the "strings /usr/bin/mailx" result means what I believe it means. It was calling /usr/lib/sendmail in wheezy because it's compiled into the program.
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3153 [16:21:16] <greycat> ebase@ebase-fla:~$ strings /usr/bin/mailx | grep sendmail
3154 [16:21:17] <greycat> /usr/lib/sendmail
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3156 [16:21:51] <jelly> and dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/bin/mailx) says that's a part of some package?
3157 [16:21:52] <greycat> And it's fixed in jessie, and (you say) replaced by a different program entirely in stretch.
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3159 [16:22:24] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Sep 1 08:32 /etc/alternatives/mailx -> /usr/bin/heirloom-mailx
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3161 [16:22:27] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Jul 1 2014 /usr/bin/mailx -> /etc/alternatives/mailx
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3165 [16:25:00] <jelly> can confirm, amd64 wheezy heirloom-mailx 12.5-2+deb7u1 so buggy
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3169 [16:26:16] <themill> (and noone noticed in what, 4 years? yay mailx...)
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3175 [16:27:34] <sebboh> I'd like to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade a laptop. I got a desktop that has internet. And I got a usb stick with plenty of space. Now what?
3176 [16:27:35] <greycat> I only noticed because I hand-installed qmail on this system and skipped the /usr/lib/sendmail symlink, and then failed to notice that I had bsd-mailx installed instead of heirloom-mailx.
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3178 [16:28:09] <jelly> themill: I was only recently informed that heirloom-mailx is the best and that bsd-mailx is SO out
3179 [16:28:10] <greycat> So the cron job that ran mailx -s blahblah -a filename blew up because bsd-mailx can't attach files, and the rest is history.
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3181 [16:28:32] <jelly> my attach-heavy jobs used mutt anyway
3182 [16:28:34] <jelly> yeah.
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3185 [16:29:20] <greycat> It was *so much fun* when my jobs that ran mutt -s blah -a filename all blew up because mutt decided it wanted an extra -- after the filename.
3186 [16:29:41] <greycat> I believe that was upon upgrading to wheezy.
3187 [16:29:48] <sebboh> jelly: I don't know about the competition, but indeed, I switched to heirloom-mailx after a few minutes of being frustrated that my mailx didn't know how to do things that it knew how to do years prior... :)
3188 [16:29:53] <sebboh> The name says it all...
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3192 [16:31:28] <ksft> I can't connect to wifi.
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3194 [16:31:36] <ksft> I'm on Debian 8.5
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3198 [16:32:29] <ksft> lshw lists the network adapter: replaced-url
3199 [16:32:36] <greycat> ksft: If you're going to begin a repeat request, you should at least not start from square zero. Go over what you've already learned so people who just showed up don't have to repeat the whole bloody thing.
3200 [16:32:44] <sebboh> 8.5? Is that stretch?
3201 [16:32:51] <greycat> that's jessie
3202 [16:33:00] <ksft> greycat: okay
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3204 [16:33:34] <ksft> `modprobe wl` doesn't work: replaced-url
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3209 [16:34:01] <jelly> ksft: did it build at all?
3210 [16:34:05] <ksft> I don't knwo
3211 [16:34:07] <ksft> know*
3212 [16:34:16] <ksft> that's the only output from `sudo modprobe wl`
3213 [16:34:17] <sebboh> Maybe edit this: replaced-url
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3215 [16:35:21] <greycat> ksft: did you follow the instructions on replaced-url
3216 [16:35:27] <ksft> greycat: yes
3217 [16:35:50] <jelly> sebboh: mkes sense, but also there's mention of 8.5 on the jessie link, one click away
3218 [16:36:05] <ksft> greycat: It seemed to work until the last command it says to run.
3219 [16:36:15] <themill> sebboh: that page says that already
3220 [16:36:20] <greycat> ksft: I don't do wireless, but when you installed broadcom-sta-dkms it should have built the wl module for your kernel.
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3222 [16:36:55] <ksft> greycat: it says broadcom-sta-dkms is installed
3223 [16:37:18] <ksft> `dpkg -l` lists it
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3226 [16:37:28] <jelly> ksft: do a "dpkg-reconfigure broadcom-sta-dkms" and look at the output
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3229 [16:37:54] <jelly> the output at install time would also have shown whether the build from source succeeded or not
3230 [16:37:57] <sebboh> That's sudo dpkg-reconfigure ... possibly.
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3232 [16:38:18] <sebboh> ksft do you know how to tell if you need sudo on any given command?
3233 [16:38:19] <jelly> sebboh: the implication is to run as root
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3235 [16:38:26] <sebboh> jelly, of course.
3236 [16:38:32] <jelly> whether it be via sudo or not, is less important
3237 [16:38:47] <ksft> sebboh: by running it without sudo and seeing if it works?
3238 [16:38:49] <sebboh> jelly, just trying to sus out why the previous attempt to follow instructions failed.
3239 [16:39:10] <ksft> here's the output from `dpkg-reconfigure broadcom-sta-dkms`: replaced-url
3240 [16:39:20] <jelly> sebboh: ksft has already done a hundred little things that only work as root
3241 [16:39:30] <jelly> modprobe among others
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3243 [16:39:46] <sebboh> ksft: sure, whatever you like. jelly, oh, ok. Whelp, that's good. :)
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3245 [16:40:00] <ksft> I think I understand what sudo does, at least at a basic level
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3247 [16:40:33] <jelly> ksft: lines 32-33 tell you the module was not built for 4.6 kernel that was booted at the time
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3249 [16:40:48] <ksft> I do have a question about it that's unrelated to my wifi problem, though: When I run a command that needs root without sudo, it says, for example, "bash: modprobe: command not found"
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3251 [16:40:59] <jelly> ksft: to make -dkms sources work, you'll also want to install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
3252 [16:41:06] <sebboh> ksft, ok. and of course jelly is right, sudo is just one way to run a process as a user with permissions.. root is just one user with perms, etc.
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3254 [16:41:13] <greycat> ksft: your $PATH is different from the $PATH that sudo uses
3255 [16:41:18] <ksft> greycat: ohh
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3257 [16:41:35] <jelly> ksft: then redo the dpkg-reconfigure thing
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3261 [16:42:00] <ksft> jelly: installing...
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3264 [16:42:17] <jelly> ksft: alternatively, boot the old default 3.16-something kernel as it seems the build of wl module from dkms sources succeeded for that kernel
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3270 [16:42:55] <ksft> jelly: looks like it worked this time
3271 [16:43:17] <jelly> phew
3272 [16:43:20] <ksft> the four warnings at the end are still there
3273 [16:43:30] <ksft> should I reboot again?
3274 [16:43:36] <jelly> yes
3275 [16:43:36] <sebboh> ksft: I always look in my /root/.profile to find the PATH= lines then edit the same file in my /home/sebboh directory to make it match, so that my user account will at least find the programs, and try executing them when I tell it to... Lots of "sbin" programs work fine as a user, especially depending on what options you invoke them with.
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3277 [16:43:52] <missmbob> you probably need firmware-realtek for the missing warnings
3278 [16:44:07] <ksft> missmbob: I have that
3279 [16:44:09] <ksft> rebooting...
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3281 [16:44:16] <jelly> those are not related to the current wl issue
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3284 [16:45:15] <ksft> It worked, I think!
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3286 [16:46:39] <ksft> `iwconfig` lists wlan0 now
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3296 [16:48:15] <ksft> now I just have to figure out how to connect to a network
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3299 [16:48:36] <missmbob> ksft: you said xfce, right? easiest would be to use network-manager
3300 [16:49:30] <ksft> missmbob: "command not found"
3301 [16:49:41] <ksft> I installed the package "network-manager", but it's still saying that
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3303 [16:50:00] <missmbob> ksft: apt-get install network-manager-gnome
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3305 [16:50:14] <jelly> ksft: nmcli is the CLI for nm :-)
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3307 [16:50:40] <ksft> ahh
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3311 [16:51:37] <ksft> no GUI?
3312 [16:52:09] <missmbob> if you install what i said
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3314 [16:52:15] <ksft> I did
3315 [16:52:16] <stoned> I hate Xinerama.
3316 [16:52:30] <stoned> It even beraks google chrome on 2nd monitor. But without it, I can't stich 3 gpu together.
3317 [16:52:45] <stoned> Honestly, linux is good and whatever, but Xorg is ... teh suck.
3318 [16:52:47] <missmbob> it's an applet that sits on the panel. might have to restart xfce. not sure
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3320 [16:53:11] <stoned> $ xrandr
3321 [16:53:14] <stoned> RandR extension missing
3322 [16:53:16] <sebboh> ksft: dpkg -L network-manager|grep bin
3323 [16:53:18] <stoned> Yay. Kill randr why don't you.
3324 [16:53:25] <sebboh> ksft: dpkg -L network-manager-gnome|grep bin
3325 [16:53:28] <sebboh> both
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3330 [16:53:51] <stoned> Defined 1 screen in xorg per monitor, 6 monitors total.
3331 [16:53:56] <missmbob> the latter. and it's nm-applet. should automatically show up on panel
3332 [16:53:56] <ksft> okay, I think I got it started
3333 [16:54:09] <ksft> how do Ioh!
3334 [16:54:12] <ksft> oops
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3336 [16:54:14] <ksft> got it!
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3338 [16:54:37] <stoned> And then w/o xinerama it simply doesn't work. What doesn't work? It all.
3339 [16:54:40] <stoned> 'it all'.
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3341 [16:54:55] <stoned> I am a sad stoned today.
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3343 [16:55:42] <stoned> If I turn off xinerama and use randr, it can't detect more than the primary gpu.
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3345 [16:56:05] <stoned> so randr = only primary gpu works. xinrama, all works, but with problems. But works.
3346 [16:56:47] <ksft> wait no it still isn't working
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3349 [16:57:56] <ksft> the wifi networks are showing up, but it isn't connecting
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3351 [16:58:28] <sebboh> At least that's a whole different problem, ksft.
3352 [16:58:30] <ksft> `nmcli c` shows the connection
3353 [16:58:40] <ksft> sebboh: yes, I love it when I get from one problem to the next
3354 [16:58:53] <ksft> (that wasn't meant to be sarcastic)
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3356 [16:59:21] <sebboh> ksft: it says that the connection is established? You have an IP? Do other laptops on this wifi get on the internet successfully?
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3358 [16:59:55] <ksft> sebboh: I have an IP address because I'm also connected by ethernet
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3360 [16:59:59] <ksft> to use IRC
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3362 [17:00:16] <missmbob> connect your phone to wifi to see if it works
3363 [17:00:22] <ksft> it is connected
3364 [17:00:29] <ksft> looks like it's working
3365 [17:01:03] <ksft> yeah, my phone is definitely connected and working
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3368 [17:01:45] <sebboh> what does `ip a` say on the laptop? Speifically, for the wifi connection.. Also are you familiar with these terms? IP dns gateway /etc/resolv.conf ping dhcp
3369 [17:02:07] <ksft> some of them
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3373 [17:02:22] <ksft> "IP", "DNS" sorta, "ping", and "DHPC" sorta
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3376 [17:03:13] <ksft> I don't know what I'm looking for: replaced-url
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3378 [17:04:17] <sebboh> When you get connected to the wifi, your laptop sents a dhcp request (assuming that was configured! Since you can connect with ethernet.. it's probably configured). and the router responds to that dhcp request with some information like "hey laptop, your IP should be this and your DNS servers should be that and your default gateway should be the other".
3379 [17:04:49] <missmbob> i suppose there's no harm in setting a static ip in network-manager just in case it's some werid dhcp thing
3380 [17:04:52] <missmbob> weird*
3381 [17:04:58] <ksft> sebboh: I understand most of that.
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3383 [17:05:12] <stoned> You should setup static DHCP in your heezy.
3384 [17:05:17] <sebboh> ksft your wifi adapter wlan0 doesn't appear to have an IPv4 address assigned to it.
3385 [17:05:28] <stoned> MAC address based ip addressing.
3386 [17:05:41] <sebboh> stoned, slow down
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3388 [17:05:59] <sebboh> stoned, not that I disagree.
3389 [17:06:00] <stoned> But I'm not faster.
3390 [17:06:06] <stoned> I'm a stoned!
3391 [17:06:41] <ksft> okay, I figured out how to change the settings for the network
3392 [17:07:08] <sebboh> ksft do `dmesg |less -S` to see if you're getting an error when doing dhcp..
3393 [17:07:11] <sebboh> Oh, ok.
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3395 [17:07:42] <ksft> sebboh: I don't see anything that looks relevant
3396 [17:07:50] <ksft> new things are always added to the end, right?
3397 [17:08:07] <missmbob> yes
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3399 [17:08:25] <ksft> just "eth0: link down" followed by "eth0: link up" a bunch of times from when I was trying to figure out if wifi was really not working
3400 [17:08:49] <missmbob> did you try static as suggested?
3401 [17:08:51] <ksft> oh, unless these are relevant:
3402 [17:08:51] <ksft> [ 299.831299] mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged
3403 [17:08:51] <ksft> [ 352.239545] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
3404 [17:09:34] <ksft> in "IPv4 Settings", "Method" is currently "Automatic (DHCP)"
3405 [17:09:50] <missmbob> change it for shits and giggles
3406 [17:09:55] <ksft> to what?
3407 [17:09:58] <ksft> there are five other things?
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3409 [17:10:00] <ksft> things*
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3412 [17:10:35] <missmbob> static. so ip would probably be something like 192.168.0.x and netmask 255.255.255.0 with gw 192.168.0.1 dns 8.8.8.8
3413 [17:10:43] <missmbob> change x to whatever
3414 [17:10:52] <ksft> "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only", "Manual", Link-local Only", "Shared to other computers", and "Disabled"
3415 [17:10:58] <missmbob> manual
3416 [17:11:00] <sebboh> I'll continue on just FYI then... dmesg is a program that spits out a log. You can view the same log elsewhere, but this program is convenient. | is a pipe it connects the output end of the program to the left of itself to the input end of the program to the right of itself... less is the program on the right. Less is a pager. Pagers let you view documents bigger than your screen... by scrolling. The -S lets you scroll left/right in
3417 [17:11:00] <sebboh> addition to the standard up/down... (Without -S, anything off to the right (long lines) would be word-wrapped ... which makes logs hard to read.)
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3420 [17:11:20] <sebboh> dang I type slow
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3424 [17:11:57] <ksft> I know what the pipe and `less` do
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3426 [17:12:01] <sebboh> kk
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3428 [17:12:13] <stoned> I know what the pipe does too!
3429 [17:12:15] <ksft> sorta know what `dmesg` did just based on when people have had me show them its output
3430 [17:12:27] <stoned> It's the kernel's ring buffer log.
3431 [17:12:37] <meowshwitz> ksft: what wifi card & kernel version
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3433 [17:12:37] <ksft> I know what some of those words mean
3434 [17:12:43] <Eightynine> What is the best way to write Debian image to flash drive?
3435 [17:12:46] <sebboh> ksft: I think you and I know the same things about dmesg. :)
3436 [17:12:47] <stoned> This is so that logging can be done for debugging purposes
3437 [17:12:53] <stoned> Before syslogd has been started.
3438 [17:13:03] <meowshwitz> Eightynine: in Debian? dd
3439 [17:13:12] <meowshwitz> in winduhs i use rufus
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3441 [17:13:13] <ksft> what's "Search domains"?
3442 [17:13:17] <missmbob> never rufus
3443 [17:13:19] <ksft> should I leave it blank?
3444 [17:13:22] <missmbob> !win32diskimager
3445 [17:13:23] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
3446 [17:13:25] <missmbob> use that
3447 [17:13:28] <sebboh> stoned, why is it called a ring? I've never seen it wrap...
3448 [17:13:44] <missmbob> !tell Eightynine about rufus
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3450 [17:13:53] <stoned> sebboh: it's a data structure.
3451 [17:13:57] <meowshwitz> !rufus
3452 [17:13:58] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
3453 [17:14:05] <meowshwitz> oh lol
3454 [17:14:10] <Eightynine> I'm going to replace that adware Windows 10 with Debian 8.5 with Gnome.
3455 [17:14:10] <stoned> sebboh: have you taken computer science?
3456 [17:14:13] <meowshwitz> i didn't know that, it always worked for me
3457 [17:14:16] <stoned> data structures and algorithms?
3458 [17:14:22] <stoned> (It's been over a decade for me)
3459 [17:14:28] <stoned> Ah, just google it.
3460 [17:14:38] <Eightynine> I know about Rufus and Rosa Image Writer.
3461 [17:14:50] <missmbob> use win32diskimager like the install guide tells you to
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3463 [17:14:56] <sebboh> stoned, no but I'm a professional programmer. Since logs are append only... I didn't ever stop to think about what datastructure to use. Hm.
3464 [17:15:04] <stoned> You should.
3465 [17:15:15] <stoned> Data is based on the structures of memory.
3466 [17:15:18] <ksft> data structure?
3467 [17:15:22] <Eightynine> Thank you. Is Gnome 3 a good choice?
3468 [17:15:23] <ksft> it isn't just a file it appends to?
3469 [17:15:33] <stoned> Memory is based on the structures of data.
3470 [17:15:37] <missmbob> Eightynine: i'd shoot myself but a lot of people like it
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3472 [17:15:42] <stoned> It's... circular. Hence the ring... analogy.
3473 [17:15:50] <ksft> okay...
3474 [17:15:57] <ksft> what's "Search domains"?
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3479 [17:16:04] <missmbob> ksft: you'll get used to him
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3482 [17:16:16] <ksft> I left it blank
3483 [17:16:20] <ksft> it still isn't connecting
3484 [17:17:00] <stoned> sebboh: it's just a circular buffer, nothing intricate
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3487 [17:18:15] <stoned> sebboh: how familiar are you with the linux kernel?
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3489 [17:18:32] <sebboh> stoned, back to the ring buffer... I know how to allocate an array. I know how to traverse it. I know how to run out of space on it, give up, and make a new one. Elsewhere, I know how to take the car of the cdr. And I understand that all that depends on garbage collection, all the allocation and such is still happening, I just can'
3490 [17:18:37] <stoned> Secrets of alchemy lie in there.
3491 [17:18:39] <sebboh> t see it in some languages.
3492 [17:18:40] <stoned> Somewhere. Anyway.
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3494 [17:19:09] <stoned> replaced-url
3495 [17:19:13] <stoned> It's fun stuff.
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3497 [17:19:30] <ksft> ...why won't it connect?
3498 [17:19:35] <sebboh> The linux kernel is written in C, it's got a scheduler, it's got a facility for loading an unloading modules...
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3504 [17:21:23] <sebboh> "Sometimes, overwriting data is what you want" hm, yes.
3505 [17:21:33] <meowshwitz> ksft: what wifi card and kernel version?
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3507 [17:22:01] <ksft> oh!
3508 [17:22:05] <ksft> right, meant to respond to you before
3509 [17:22:11] <ksft> Broadcom something
3510 [17:22:14] <ksft> BCM4352?
3511 [17:22:16] <meowshwitz> oh
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3513 [17:22:32] <meowshwitz> one of those cards that need speshul firmware
3514 [17:22:38] <ksft> uname -r says "4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64"
3515 [17:22:40] <meowshwitz> osfe: lspci
3516 [17:22:41] <stoned> sebboh: I have a habit of getting really stoned and reading technical documentation. Well, I used to. Now I read mental stuff.
3517 [17:22:42] <meowshwitz> er
3518 [17:22:48] <ksft> meowshwitz: it's listing the networks
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3520 [17:22:51] <ksft> it just won't connect
3521 [17:22:59] <stoned> sebboh: deep within the manuals
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3524 [17:23:11] <stoned> debian AND linux in general
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3526 [17:23:22] <stoned> But then I forget things. So I am here. :)
3527 [17:23:33] <meowshwitz> ksft: what driver are you using
3528 [17:23:41] <ksft> meowshwitz: relevant lspci line: 08:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03)
3529 [17:23:49] <ksft> meowshwitz: I'm not sure
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3536 [17:24:18] <sebboh> Things I know about the linux kernel, part II: linus was in a computer lab at harvard when he got a tip from somebody that allowed him to handle interrupts or something like that in his little nascent toy kernel... it printed aaaaabbbbaabbbbbbbaaaaaaa ... and switched whenever he hit a key. And when he got to that point.. he was all like... I can make a #$%^#@^ operating system as good as anybody's!! This was on like what, a 468dx or
3537 [17:24:18] <sebboh> something??
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3541 [17:24:41] <stoned> Well, I meant in the context of what you were asing.
3542 [17:24:48] <jelly> ksft: didn't you just install wl driver from broadcom-sta-dkms?
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3544 [17:24:50] <stoned> Not in geenral; linux trivia is not for this channell
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3546 [17:25:23] <ksft> jelly: yes
3547 [17:25:29] <ksft> meowshwitz: that ^
3548 [17:25:40] <sebboh> Oh, I'm in #debian, I thought I was in #linux.
3549 [17:25:48] <jelly> !BCM4352
3550 [17:25:48] <dpkg> Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the Broadcom BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225, BCM43227, BCM43228, BCM43142, BCM4331, BCM4352 and BCM4360 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see replaced-url
3551 [17:25:49] <sebboh> Anyway, back to work.
3552 [17:26:01] <sebboh> nice chatting with y'all.
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3556 [17:26:36] <murder> I have a small problem which seems to be triggered by rgmanager not waiting the resource completely start in a node before making a check if the service is up, what can I do to avoid this situation?
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3558 [17:27:59] <ksft> is it really the drivers?
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3560 [17:28:26] <ksft> once I installed the wl driver, it started listing the networks in range
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3563 [17:28:37] <ksft> I would have thought that meant I have the right driver now
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3566 [17:29:46] <Eighynine> I tried to load LiveCD which had been written using image writer but I've got blank screen. I'm using Radeon 6750
3567 [17:30:09] <missmbob> Eighynine: live wouldnt work anyway. doesnt support uefi
3568 [17:30:28] <jelly> ksft: dunno, if it finds the networks scanning, then it's just a matter of being able to connect to one?
3569 [17:30:35] <Eighynine> I have BIOS, not UEFI.
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3572 [17:30:44] <missmbob> Eighynine: with windows 10? didnt think it did bios
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3576 [17:31:03] <missmbob> Eighynine: and how exactly did you make the usb?
3577 [17:31:25] <stoned> I have bios and windows 10 dual booted w/ stable.
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3580 [17:31:42] <ksft> jelly: yeah
3581 [17:31:50] <Eighynine> My PC is pretty old, I built it 4 years ago from hardware in small store.
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3583 [17:31:54] <stoned> this is a ddr2 old nonuefi board
3584 [17:32:04] <stoned> About ... 8 years old.
3585 [17:32:08] <choice> Hello! I updated my debian partition and now my encryptet mint system does not show up anymore on startup :(
3586 [17:32:19] <stoned> I'm not cheap. I think grampa enouf just rubbed off too much on me over the years
3587 [17:32:29] <stoned> now I don't throw away machines. find use for them.
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3589 [17:32:46] <missmbob> 15:31 < missmbob> Eighynine: and how exactly did you make the usb?
3590 [17:33:04] <stoned> choice: how did you updated the debian partition, what did you do?
3591 [17:33:30] <Eighynine> I had flash drive with Ubuntu Gnome 16.04.1. I wrote Debian Live using image writer and then booted it and screen became blank
3592 [17:34:08] <choice> Stoned: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
3593 [17:34:10] <missmbob> Eighynine: cant do that kind of thing with hybrid images. in ubuntu you do cp debian.iso /dev/sdX (not sdX1)
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3595 [17:34:24] <ksft> `nmcli d` says "connecting (getting IP configuration)"
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3598 [17:35:40] <Eighynine> No, i mean I had Ubuntu on flash drive and thought that image writer will erase flash and write Debian on it. I did it under Windows.
3599 [17:35:51] <choice> Maybe debian set grub to non-uefi and now it cannot see mint anymore? just a wild guess.
3600 [17:36:14] <stoned> Well, it's obvious it has something to do with update-grub being run somewhere in there.
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3602 [17:36:36] <stoned> Why it wouldn't detect the other OS is beyond me.
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3604 [17:37:15] <Eighynine> Maybe I should format flash before writing Debian on it?
3605 [17:37:44] <stoned> Eighynine: the debian install guide recommends win32diskimager. I don't know an image writer.
3606 [17:37:53] <stoned> Eighynine: follow the install guide and you should be alright.
3607 [17:37:57] <jelly> Eighynine: nah, no need to. writing the image directly on the whole device ought to be fine
3608 [17:38:13] <missmbob> i'd still not use live. it's annoyingly buggy
3609 [17:38:15] <Eighynine> Yes, i mean disk imager. Sorry.
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3611 [17:38:43] <Eighynine> Thank you guys for support.
3612 [17:39:42] <Eighynine> My PC hung I couldn't even restart it.
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3614 [17:39:44] <choice> stoned: maybe because mint is encrypted?
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3618 [17:40:08] <stoned> I have no idea.
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3620 [17:40:10] <stoned> replaced-url
3621 [17:40:27] <stoned> Check this and then probably ask the mint people on how to restore their OS after having the boot loader fuck up
3622 [17:40:37] <stoned> We don't know how mint works.
3623 [17:40:57] <stoned> We can help you with restoring grub stuff in debian.
3624 [17:41:01] <stoned> I know how to do that.
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3629 [17:42:10] <stoned> And also, the point to figure out is what is debian's update-grub doing or not doing to cause this (so updating debian again would cause this)
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3631 [17:42:17] <stoned> This part I dont' knwo but can be figured out here.
3632 [17:42:26] <choice> Its not mint related. Its just that debian decided to change the grub config and kick mint out.
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3636 [17:42:51] <stoned> Right, can help figure what debian is doing. But how to restore your mint OS, that'd be on them.
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3639 [17:43:39] <choice> i wonder if its because of the encyption or because of efi
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3646 [17:44:17] <choice> there are two weird efi entries displayed on startup now.
3647 [17:44:32] <Eightynine> replaced-url
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3649 [17:44:49] <PaulePanter> !dpkg dfind qt5-config
3650 [17:44:54] <missmbob> Eightynine: that works. or netinst if you want something smaller
3651 [17:45:25] <choice> i wonder why apt-get upgrade overwrites the bootloader in the first place.
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3653 [17:45:34] <Eightynine> I wanted image with non-free firmware. That's why I downloaded that LiveCD.
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3655 [17:46:03] <missmbob> Eightynine: this has firmware. replaced-url
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3661 [17:47:18] <Eightynine> replaced-url
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3664 [17:47:47] <ksft> oh
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3666 [17:47:52] <ksft> I just rebooted and it worked
3667 [17:47:52] <missmbob> that's not a live cd. thus no "live" in the name
3668 [17:48:03] <ksft> thank you, everyone who helped me
3669 [17:48:09] <missmbob> Eightynine: if you want firmware and regular installer use the iso i linked you to
3670 [17:48:13] <jelly> !win ksft
3671 [17:48:13] <dpkg> Congratulations, ksft! You have won the US presidency!
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3677 [17:48:35] <ksft> I'll be back soon for help with my graphics card and sound
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3682 [17:50:02] <stoned> I replaced-url
3683 [17:50:03] <stoned> this looks fun
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3701 [17:58:26] <jak2000> i try: sudo crontab -e
3702 [17:58:38] <jak2000> and typed: @reboot sleep 60 && /usr/scripts.myscript.sh
3703 [17:58:45] <jak2000> but not execute after 1 minute....
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3708 [17:59:39] <kelseykairns> replaced-url
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3734 [18:07:45] <choice> Hello! "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" on my Debian partition kicked out the startup entry for my encrypted mint partition. So I have to figure out what is going on.
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3736 [18:08:15] <choice> I guess the first step is to figure out which partition is now set to boot?
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3743 [18:11:16] <choice> I wonder if Debian overwrote the GRUB config or if it uses a config from a different partition now.
3744 [18:11:20] <choice> Any ideas?
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3754 [18:18:26] <jak2000> every time, every time the network card not boot up, then need run tese commands: sudo ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 then at this moment i have network(ping)
3755 [18:18:28] <jak2000> any advice?
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3757 [18:19:04] <noid-> jak2000: what is the configuration for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces ? also, are you using network manager?
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3759 [18:20:06] <unkmar> Anyone here run LXDE? I set the desktop to show the Applications menu when I right click. I'd like to revert that option to give me the Previous options, like setting my Wallpaper.
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3771 [18:24:00] <jak2000> noid-: replaced-url
3772 [18:24:04] <jak2000> wich is wrong?
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3774 [18:24:13] <jak2000> and how toc heck if i have network-manager?
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3787 [18:27:55] <jak2000> noid-: replaced-url
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3800 [18:35:46] <jak2000> noid-?
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3803 [18:36:49] <bigterd> how can i get pigz to compress a file from one directory to another?
3804 [18:37:13] <bigterd> example /mnt/folder1/image /mnt/folder2/image.gzip
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3807 [18:37:29] <bigterd> pigz won't work with the path specified, unless i'm doing something wrong
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3812 [18:38:33] <EmleyMoor> bigterd: Not sure it can
3813 [18:39:03] <bigterd> man. stupid. i have a 4tb hdd image full a zeros, and i need to compress it and send it to another mount point...
3814 [18:39:18] <bigterd> so i have to use gzip? which can't use more then 1 core on this 16core box?
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3816 [18:39:41] <sonion> send it ot another mount point?
3817 [18:39:49] <EmleyMoor> I would think gzip is the same... but then again I haven't encountered pigz
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3819 [18:40:03] <bigterd> pigz is multicore
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3821 [18:40:15] <bigterd> sonion, example ?
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3824 [18:40:30] <EmleyMoor> I know that much about it
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3827 [18:41:39] <EmleyMoor> I would have thought pigz would simply be a "drop in" replacement for gzip
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3842 [18:45:38] <Eightynine> I have installed Debian Gnome but can't enable addons and resolution is law.
3843 [18:45:52] <mundus2018> how do I mount something?
3844 [18:45:54] <EmleyMoor> bigterd: What exactly are you trying to achieve?
3845 [18:46:04] <bigterd> bah
3846 [18:46:11] <Eightynine> Sorry, I mean low.
3847 [18:46:17] <EmleyMoor> mundus2018: Depends what it is...
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3849 [18:46:30] <mundus2018> im in a rescue system currently
3850 [18:46:34] <bigterd> pigz --fast -c file > /path/to/headache
3851 [18:46:50] <mundus2018> so im trying to mount my hard drive
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3853 [18:47:46] <EmleyMoor> mundus2018: Generally, mount /dev/sdXY /mountpoint - where X is the letter, Y the partition number and /mountpoint the directory where you want it to appear
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3855 [18:48:05] <mundus2018> when I try to do that it says its not NTFS
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3858 [18:48:22] <EmleyMoor> mundus2018: So, what type is it?
3859 [18:48:29] <jhutchins> mundus2018: Is the drive corrupted?
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3861 [18:48:37] <jhutchins> mundus2018: Have you checked it?
3862 [18:48:39] <mundus2018> ext*
3863 [18:48:44] <mundus2018> its not an issue with the drive
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3866 [18:48:54] <EmleyMoor> mount -t ext2... then
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3868 [18:49:00] <mundus2018> I need to add a crontab entry to disable the firewall
3869 [18:49:06] <mundus2018> I locked myself out
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3872 [18:49:13] <bigterd> wish me luck. pigz'ing a 29Tb file >;)
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3874 [18:49:26] <Aetheryx2> hey guys. how can I get alsamixer to use HDMI audio instead of my normal 3.5mm output? it's a laptop with built in speakers
3875 [18:49:53] <mundus2018> says ext2 is wrong, I tried doing ext3 and ext4
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3877 [18:50:01] <sonion> mundus2018: what does fdisk -l show it to be
3878 [18:50:06] <EmleyMoor> mundus2018: ... and?
3879 [18:50:46] <mundus2018> says just Linux Filesystem
3880 [18:51:05] <EmleyMoor> mundus2018: You tried ext3 and ext4 and?
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3883 [18:51:21] <mundus2018> says the same thing
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3885 [18:51:27] <sonion> mundus2018: and the Id number
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3887 [18:51:45] <EmleyMoor> mundus2018: file /dev/sdXY... that might give some clues
3888 [18:51:57] <mundus2018> wait I tried ext4 agian and it worked
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3890 [18:52:09] <mundus2018> must have had something wrong before
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3893 [18:52:47] <sonion> EmleyMoor: that won't tell anything but what the dev is (char or block or socket etc)
3894 [18:53:08] <mundus2018> thanks
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3898 [18:53:50] <kraCoukz> Hey, I wonder what is a good size for a swap partition for a 8Go RAM?
3899 [18:53:50] <EmleyMoor> Ah, file -s /dev/sdXY might help
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3904 [18:57:51] <jhutchins> kraCoukz: Do you plan to use suspend-to-ram on this system?
3905 [18:58:00] <Aetheryx2> hey guys. how can I get alsamixer to use HDMI audio instead of my normal 3.5mm output? it's a laptop with built in speakers
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3909 [18:58:26] <Aetheryx2> also, is it possible to "lock" debian? like, so you have to log in with a password again but you're where you locked again
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3911 [18:58:46] <jhutchins> mundus2018: THe partition label shown by fdisk does not actually define the filesystem. It definitely sounds corrupted.
3912 [18:58:55] <EmleyMoor> Aetheryx2: Do you mean to power off and return to same state?
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3914 [18:59:05] <mundus2018> theres nothing wrong with the drive
3915 [18:59:05] <jhutchins> mundus2018: Ah, I see you got it mounted.
3916 [18:59:19] <mundus2018> I just messed up firewall rules and locked myself out :3
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3918 [18:59:55] <kraCoukz> Jhutchins: yes that was the plan
3919 [19:00:00] <jhutchins> Aetheryx2: Yes, most screensavers have that option. Many desktops accept Ctrl-Alt-L as a lock command.
3920 [19:00:02] <Aetheryx2> EmleyMoor not power off completely, just lock the system so you can't access the PC without logging in with a password
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3922 [19:00:25] <EmleyMoor> Aetheryx2: Pretty much a standard feature.... which desktop are you using?
3923 [19:00:26] <Aetheryx2> i'm on LXDE, ctrl-alt-L doesn't do anything :c
3924 [19:00:44] <jhutchins> kraCoukz: You will need at least as much swap as ram, sorry, for suspend-to-disk, suspend-to-ram doesn't care.
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3931 [19:01:56] <kraCoukz> Ok so it is better that swap partition size fit the RAM size because on the doc their is no restriction on it
3932 [19:02:11] <Aetheryx2> EmleyMoor, I'm on LXDE
3933 [19:02:49] <sonion> kraCoukz: what kind of use will this be? kinda hard to run out of ram with 8GB :)
3934 [19:03:01] <EmleyMoor> Aetheryx2: I am unable to find any specific advice for Debian... but there will be a way you can make it work
3935 [19:03:06] <CuteAlien> I'm on debian stable with KDE. Since a while (mabye some weeks) kmail started creating new folders. Like a new "Inbox" although I already have a "inbox" since ages (lower letter start). Clicking them gives me a popup "Resource Kmail folders is broken". But deleting them they are created again (not used for inbox btw). Also I got suddenly the main folders "KMail Folders" and "Local Folders" - one just being a copy of the o
3936 [19:03:06] <CuteAlien> ther.
3937 [19:03:14] <CuteAlien> Anyone got a clue what could be going on?
3938 [19:03:38] <Aetheryx2> EmleyMoor, aw, thanks for your time though
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3941 [19:03:59] <EmleyMoor> Maybe someone else knows...
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3944 [19:05:01] <sonion> EmleyMoor: what is else suppose to know?
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3946 [19:05:29] <Aetheryx2> sonion, how do I lock my laptop in LXDE/Debian
3947 [19:05:31] <EmleyMoor> sonion: How to enable a screen lock in LXDE.
3948 [19:05:38] <Aetheryx2> ctrl alt l doesn' work
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3950 [19:06:25] <sonion> Aetheryx2: meet EmleyMoor
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3952 [19:06:32] <sonion> EmleyMoor: meet Aetheryx2
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3954 [19:06:41] <sonion> i use fluxbox sorry
3955 [19:06:42] <Aetheryx2> sonion, ?
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3958 [19:07:03] <sonion> don't you realize you both have same question?
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3960 [19:07:08] <EmleyMoor> sonion: I do *not* know, and Aetheryx2 wants to. Us meeting is irrelevant
3961 [19:07:21] <Aetheryx2> sonion I have that question, she tried helping me
3962 [19:07:27] <EmleyMoor> I do not need to know, either. I use Gnome
3963 [19:08:02] <EmleyMoor> (pronoun error but that's OK)
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3965 [19:08:19] <sonion> EmleyMoor: still gonna have to charge you .. you posted it as a question and the billing computer took that as a new ticket
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3968 [19:08:36] <sonion> Aetheryx2: is she really a she?
3969 [19:08:37] <jhutchins> Aetheryx2: Gee, if only there were a way to search the internet to see if there was any documentation, or if anybody else had this problem.
3970 [19:08:41] <jhutchins> Aetheryx2: replaced-url
3971 [19:09:08] <sonion> jhutchins: you ask to for to much - it makes my head spin ;_
3972 [19:09:11] <EmleyMoor> You can try looking at that but Debian may differ.
3973 [19:09:12] <Aetheryx2> Aetheryx2, she, he, whatever.. it?
3974 [19:09:24] <Aetheryx2> thanks jhutchins
3975 [19:09:34] <sonion> Aetheryx2: it matters ... i would help her more then he .. ;)
3976 [19:09:49] * EmleyMoor will please emself
3977 [19:10:29] <Senki> oi vay
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3979 [19:10:31] <Aetheryx2> sonion, why are you asking me then? I don't know what he/she is, ask her/him yourself
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3982 [19:10:56] <Senki> would your guys brains melt if I said I was female too?
3983 [19:11:11] <sonion> sorry i'm just ornery cause using lzma to compress somedata is taking way to long
3984 [19:11:13] <Aetheryx2> also EmleyMoor that link says LXDE doesn't have an actual lock screen
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3986 [19:11:54] <rafalcpp> when running deboostrap can I set some env variable or something other to tell deboostrap to look in other directory for the scripts?
3987 [19:11:56] <EmleyMoor> Aetheryx2: It's not a built-in feature. There are ways to use xscreensaver to do it but I cannot find a Debian-specific reference to doing so
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3989 [19:12:05] <Aetheryx2> EmleyMoor I see
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3991 [19:12:45] <sonion> Senki: two females in the channel ... that is a record ;)
3992 [19:12:51] <Senki> yikes
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3994 [19:12:56] <Senki> that's kind of sad :(
3995 [19:13:05] <sonion> no kidding
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3997 [19:13:38] <Senki> i need to get a zip drive to work with a distribution more unless my jump drive can run it without any interference from the other files on it
3998 [19:14:00] <Senki> i need to finishing downloading a distribution anyway
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4000 [19:14:22] <sonion> Senki: first can you mount the zip drive okay with full read/write?
4001 [19:14:23] <Senki> i've worked with debian before and like it. got it up and running with some help and a point in the right direction
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4003 [19:14:40] <Senki> want to work with kalo this time. downloading an image
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4005 [19:14:57] <EmleyMoor> It used to be said that you could teach a chicken to install Debian
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4007 [19:15:07] <Senki> yeah, I'd prefer to mount/run it from a zip drive and not my external
4008 [19:15:19] <sonion> all the chickens i know have moved on to arch
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4011 [19:15:29] <Senki> haha well this chicken was able to and learned with remote tutoring
4012 [19:15:45] <Senki> had to wipe the device I was putting it on, take a screw out, etc
4013 [19:16:00] <Senki> i'm looking into kali
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4015 [19:16:05] <Senki> at the moment
4016 [19:16:25] <EmleyMoor> Just over 17 years since I installed Debian for the first time
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4020 [19:17:23] <Aetheryx2> hey guys. how can I get alsamixer to use HDMI audio instead of my normal 3.5mm output? it's a laptop with built in speakers
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4024 [19:18:54] <`ajven> Hi guys, how i can mount USB drive full access for user ?
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4027 [19:20:46] <sonion> EmleyMoor: can you help me break some enigma codes?
4028 [19:21:13] <sonion> `ajven: for just one user or all users
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4034 [19:21:58] <`ajven> just for one user
4035 [19:22:06] <`ajven> or for all w/e ;)
4036 [19:22:21] <sonion> make a group with just that user
4037 [19:23:15] <sonion> and chown root.group_name /dev/sdX#
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4040 [19:25:12] <sonion> and then in /etc/fstab put the /dev/sdX# /mount_point auto noauto,exec,sync,users 0 0 and let me know what happens
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4043 [19:26:03] <sonion> have user test with mount /mount_point after (mkdir /mount_point)
4044 [19:26:25] <sonion> and fdisk -l /dev/sd# to make sure partition exists
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4052 [19:30:44] <sonion> EmleyMoor: wasn't that the encryption used when you first started using debian?
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4093 [19:48:06] <jhutchins> I think I still have a link to installing Debian on a dead possum.
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4096 [19:49:02] <ozupa> hey there
4097 [19:49:02] <ntzor> hello, no matter what I am trying to install or remove, I get this: replaced-url
4098 [19:49:30] <ozupa> Do you know how this tool that makes OS configuration mobile was called?
4099 [19:49:51] <ozupa> Like I can install the tool, configure my environment and then use it to export the settings
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4101 [19:50:48] <missmbob> ntzor: stretch?
4102 [19:50:55] <ntzor> missmbob: what ?
4103 [19:51:12] <ntzor> missmbob: no I am not on stretch
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4106 [19:51:38] <jhutchins> ntzor: What is that error telling you?
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4109 [19:51:48] <ntzor> jhutchins: I pasted the er ror
4110 [19:51:59] <missmbob> ntzor: lots of people cant use pastebin.com
4111 [19:52:13] <missmbob> ntzor: we suggest paste.debian.net
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4113 [19:52:17] <ntzor> missmbob: oh ok hold on
4114 [19:52:18] <jhutchins> ntzor: Yes, what do you think it's tryinig to tell you?
4115 [19:52:50] <ntzor> jhutchins: dpkg: error processing package mongodb-10gen (--remove): subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
4116 [19:52:53] <ntzor> dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 102
4117 [19:52:54] <dpkg> ntzor: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
4118 [19:52:56] <ntzor> Errors were encountered while processing: mongodb-10gen
4119 [19:52:57] <ntzor> I am SORRY
4120 [19:53:00] <ntzor> I accidentally pasted it here
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4124 [19:53:43] <jhutchins> ntzor: Where were the errors encountered?
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4126 [19:53:56] <ntzor> jhutchins: after I am trying to remove or install something
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4128 [19:54:05] <jhutchins> ntzor: THe pre-removal script.
4129 [19:54:19] <jhutchins> ntzor: So basically you need to fix that script.
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4131 [19:54:26] <sonion> ntzor: egg/chicken reinstall apt-get/dkpg with yast?
4132 [19:54:29] <ntzor> I don't care about that script I just wan't to remove the problem
4133 [19:54:36] <jhutchins> ntzor: I don't know if re-installing the package will succeed, it might be worth a try.
4134 [19:54:55] <jhutchins> ntzor: You don't care about the script, but dpkg does, and dpkg isn't goint anywhere until it's fixed.
4135 [19:55:13] <jhutchins> ntzor: I don't know if you can tel dpkg not to try to uninstall it or not.
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4137 [19:55:27] <jhutchins> ntzor: I think maybe dselect can do that.
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4142 [19:57:12] <sonion> jhutchins: can you try an update to possum2.0?
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4144 [19:58:00] <sonion> 2.0 has usb and vga
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4147 [19:59:30] <jhutchins> ntzor: One option would be to find the pre-removal script and see what it does, maybe run it and see what the error is.
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4175 [20:13:33] <Walakea> can i remove the /boot/efi/EFI/... entries for operating systems that i have removed?
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4182 [20:14:54] <sonion> and the /lib/modules/ ones also ;)
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4185 [20:15:10] <sonion> is it still in the grub menu/conf
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4187 [20:15:54] <Walakea> where?
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4224 [20:32:37] <elwisp> I have a raid that i added more storage to, and on it i got a luksencrypted partition. Now i want to extend this partition and i cannot figure out how to do it, all the googling just gives me LVM guides
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4360 [21:47:12] <tom99> What's gonna happen if I set /etc/inittab to say id:0:initdefault ?
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4363 [21:50:11] <tom99> hi foocraft
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4370 [21:54:47] <tom99> wow
4371 [21:54:53] <tom99> I didn't really think that would work
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4374 [21:55:24] <tom99> But when you set initdefault to 0 in /etc/inittab then the system really does just shutdown after starting up
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4377 [21:57:08] <Eightynine> Will enabling backports affect stability?
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4382 [21:59:11] <greycat> Not by itself, no. You would have to actually install some.
4383 [21:59:56] <tom99> oh hey greycat
4384 [22:00:29] <tom99> I just learned you can manually tell grub and linux what runlevel to use and ignore what's in /etc/inittab
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4387 [22:01:09] <greycat> Yes, kernel parameter overrides the default in the file. Of course this is all sysvinit stuff (wheezy, or customized jessie) and will not work in jessie/systemd.
4388 [22:01:26] <Eightynine> The kernel is pretty old and reached end of life. It should be at least 3.16.19
4389 [22:01:51] <tom99> w-w-what?
4390 [22:02:20] * tom99 linux wand of solid penguin feathers droops a bit
4391 [22:02:33] <greycat> Debian backports security fixes to its kernels. Usually. We're still waiting on this tcp_challenge_ack_limit one.
4392 [22:02:56] <greycat> So even if Debian's uname -r says x.y.z that doesn't mean it's identical to an upstream x.y.z.
4393 [22:03:21] <Eightynine> 3.16.7 is installed and 3.16.37 is listed as longterm
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4397 [22:03:42] <greycat> Again, the displayed version string is not a total indicator of features and fixes.
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4399 [22:04:08] <sonion> greycat: why isn't it?
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4401 [22:04:20] <greycat> 16:02 greycat> Debian backports security fixes to its kernels. Usually.
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4403 [22:04:26] <greycat> 16:02 greycat> So even if Debian's uname -r says x.y.z that doesn't mean it's identical to an upstream x.y.z.
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4405 [22:04:50] <diego__> hello after last update (on osmc, debian jessie derived) I have package libc-bin in halF-configured state; output of apt-get update is here replaced-url
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4407 [22:06:03] <Eightynine> And what about fonts? I selected Slight and Rgba and fonts are bad on some sites and menus and small in Gnome menu.
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4419 [22:12:06] <sonion> Eightynine: what about trying palida narrow
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4424 [22:14:06] <Eightynine> Usually I'm using Ubuntu fonts. I don't know such font as you said but I didn't change fonts yet, I'm using Cantarell
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4428 [22:15:30] <diego__> hello how I could deal with the problem of half configured libc-bin package?
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4431 [22:17:54] <sonion> cantarell ? it is one step better then wing dings .. google palida narrow - it is good
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4434 [22:18:21] <sonion> libc is to important to leave haflel configured
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4447 [22:27:45] <mundus2018> where is iptables? its not in /etc/sysconfig/iptables
4448 [22:27:59] <arha> the config file?
4449 [22:28:17] <arha> you want iptables-apply and iptables-save
4450 [22:28:17] <mundus2018> yeah
4451 [22:28:27] <mundus2018> I locked myself out of the system
4452 [22:28:35] <arha> hah
4453 [22:28:37] <mundus2018> I need to revert the changes I made
4454 [22:28:46] <arha> that's when lights out management systems come in handy
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4456 [22:28:53] <mundus2018> am I fucked
4457 [22:29:21] <arha> can you jsut reboot?
4458 [22:29:27] <mundus2018> no
4459 [22:29:45] <arha> if you don't have a boot command to reload a file, they would just not be applied after boot
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4461 [22:29:57] <arha> is the machine headless?
4462 [22:30:01] <mundus2018> yes
4463 [22:30:20] <mundus2018> Ive tried making crontab entries to disable the firewall
4464 [22:30:27] <arha> you can still reach it?
4465 [22:30:31] <arha> how did oyu make those?
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4467 [22:30:40] <mundus2018> I can boot to a rescue system
4468 [22:30:46] <greycat> There isn't a firewall by default. There is only a persistent firewall if you did something to create one, and we have no idea what you did.
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4470 [22:30:53] <mundus2018> and mount the harddrive
4471 [22:31:00] <arha> well
4472 [22:31:03] <mundus2018> Hmm maybe Its something else
4473 [22:31:08] <arha> you said no booting
4474 [22:31:18] <arha> it seemed like it was in a datancenter or something :P
4475 [22:31:26] <mundus2018> I just ment it doesnt work
4476 [22:31:27] <mundus2018> it is
4477 [22:31:37] <arha> this one time
4478 [22:31:41] <arha> i locked myself out of my system
4479 [22:31:47] <arha> rmmod usb-hid
4480 [22:31:51] <arha> was using a usb keyboard
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4482 [22:32:02] <mundus2018> nah its a server in a dc
4483 [22:32:18] <arha> well
4484 [22:32:26] <mundus2018> When this happened I was setting up openvpn
4485 [22:32:36] <arha> iptables is not persistent if you don't do ptables-restore < /some/file at boot
4486 [22:32:50] <mundus2018> ok so its something else
4487 [22:32:51] <arha> so a simple reboot should work
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4489 [22:33:07] <mundus2018> yeah ive rebooted a bunch
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4491 [22:33:29] <mundus2018> and when it happened my active ssh session wasnt terminated
4492 [22:33:31] <abrotman> judd: versions iptables-persistent
4493 [22:33:32] <judd> Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; sid: 1.0.4
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4495 [22:33:59] <arha> what did you do?
4496 [22:34:07] <arha> my crystal globe is out of batteries for the moment
4497 [22:34:17] <mundus2018> I was following a guide on hope to install openvpn
4498 [22:34:40] <arha> what command did you run when that happened?
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4503 [22:35:04] <mundus2018> im not positive exactly which one
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4506 [22:35:19] <mundus2018> sec
4507 [22:35:22] <RoyK> mundus2018: /etc/sysconfig/iptables is a redhat thing - just use ufw
4508 [22:35:34] <mundus2018> oh ok
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4511 [22:35:56] <jelly> ufw? just use iptables-persistent
4512 [22:36:08] * RoyK prefers ufw for most things
4513 [22:36:16] <greycat> well, the important question here is not which he SHOULD use, but which he DID use
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4515 [22:36:27] <RoyK> easily administered although it lacks easy setup of NAT etc
4516 [22:36:28] <mundus2018> I did
4517 [22:36:30] <mundus2018> sudo ufw allow 1194/udp
4518 [22:36:39] <mundus2018> and disable and enable
4519 [22:36:41] <RoyK> should work
4520 [22:36:45] <RoyK> ufw allow 22/tcp
4521 [22:36:46] <RoyK> first
4522 [22:36:57] <ryouma> ufw seems like a good firewall. arno is also a good firewall.
4523 [22:36:58] <jelly> greycat, that implies we're trying to solve mundus' issue instead of running off a tangent that interests noone
4524 [22:37:06] <greycat> Oh, silly me.
4525 [22:37:12] <mundus2018> I also did DEFAULT_FORWARD_POLICY="ACCEPT" in /etc/default/ufw
4526 [22:37:21] <arha> ufw and iptables share the same, uh.. space so to say?
4527 [22:37:31] <RoyK> arha: ufw is an iptables wrapper
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4529 [22:37:37] <arha> like writing one rule there and disabling it in ufw?
4530 [22:37:39] <arha> cool
4531 [22:37:41] <arha> i had no idea
4532 [22:37:42] <ryouma> everything uses iptables
4533 [22:37:49] <mundus2018> maybe if I change that to drop it will fix it?
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4537 [22:37:53] <ryouma> (in linux)
4538 [22:37:54] <jelly> except stuff that uses nftables
4539 [22:37:55] <RoyK> (or nftables)
4540 [22:38:09] <ryouma> oh, don't pay any attention to me then
4541 [22:38:14] * ryouma looks up nftables)
4542 [22:38:33] <mundus2018> think that might work?
4543 [22:38:48] <RoyK> mundus2018: ufw will do the job
4544 [22:39:04] <mundus2018> idk what you mean
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4546 [22:39:40] <RoyK> mundus2018: what sort of firewall do you need? just block all ports except a few, or do fancy NAT stuff or mangeling?
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4548 [22:39:58] <mundus2018> I dont really want a firewall
4549 [22:40:09] <jelly> mundus2018, if you suspect the firewall, first figure out which firewall you installed and set up
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4551 [22:40:15] <jelly> there isn't one by default
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4553 [22:40:36] <RoyK> mundus2018: you want a firewall in case something happens
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4555 [22:40:50] <jelly> RoyK, something did happen.
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4557 [22:40:54] <jelly> he got locked out.
4558 [22:40:56] <mundus2018> Right now I just want to get into my system
4559 [22:41:31] <jelly> mundus2018, were you able to ping the system at all?
4560 [22:41:58] <mundus2018> I can ping it fine
4561 [22:42:00] <RoyK> ufw enable ; logout ; mohaha - no access anymore
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4564 [22:42:20] <jelly> mundus2018, but you can't log in, or what?
4565 [22:42:25] <mundus2018> correct
4566 [22:42:27] <RoyK> mundus2018: if ssh isn't allowed, you may want to talk to someone onsite
4567 [22:42:46] <mundus2018> replaced-url
4568 [22:42:49] <mundus2018> I did that too
4569 [22:42:54] <mundus2018> make I should revert it
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4571 [22:43:38] <jelly> mundus2018, pastebin the output of "dpkg -l iptables\*" (assuming you've mounted and chrooted into the system)
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4575 [22:43:55] <mundus2018> how do I chroot into it
4576 [22:44:12] <jelly> "chroot /where/you/mounted/root-fs"
4577 [22:44:13] <mundus2018> can I acctually run commands like that?
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4580 [22:44:35] <jelly> like what?
4581 [22:44:43] <mundus2018> with chroot
4582 [22:44:49] <jelly> yes.
4583 [22:44:52] <RoyK> jelly: I think he has a wee problem if he's locked out
4584 [22:45:10] <jelly> RoyK, that's why he's asking how to fix it here.
4585 [22:45:41] <jelly> people that come in here usually have some sort of a problem, almost noone just comes in to say hi
4586 [22:45:51] <mundus2018> 1.6.0-2
4587 [22:45:56] <abrotman> Hi
4588 [22:46:07] <jelly> mundus2018, pastebin the WHOLE output
4589 [22:46:15] <jelly> !paste
4590 [22:46:15] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
4591 [22:46:17] <drizzt__> hi
4592 [22:46:19] <drizzt__> :p
4593 [22:46:30] <jelly> too little, too late
4594 [22:46:48] <mundus2018> replaced-url
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4598 [22:47:18] <jelly> mundus2018, that does not look like a Debian installation
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4601 [22:48:07] <mundus2018> yeah its ubuntu but this is the only place I can find help :/
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4603 [22:48:27] <jelly> mundus2018, nevertheless, before going to ask in the right channel, #ubuntu or ##linux, you can use a stupid test to see if there's an iptables wrapper package, "apt-get -s remove iptables"
4604 [22:48:37] <jelly> go ask in #ubuntu, or ##Linux
4605 [22:48:48] <jelly> or replicate the same issue in actual Debian
4606 [22:49:03] <mundus2018> Ive been trying to ask there since I woke up but nobody is willing to help
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4610 [22:49:56] <RoyK> mundus2018: are you able to get into your server?
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4612 [22:50:03] <jelly> I won't help non-Debian users in here, use a more appropriate channel please
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4614 [22:50:05] <mundus2018> I can mount it
4615 [22:50:30] <mundus2018> can someone help me in #ubuntu
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4618 [22:50:39] <RoyK> mundus2018: try #ubuntu-server
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4622 [22:51:29] <mundus2018> thanks
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4628 [22:55:11] <tom99> wikisend?
4629 [22:55:22] <tom99> pastebinit?
4630 [22:55:27] <tom99> what are these foreign words you speak
4631 [22:55:34] <Dynamexia> hey guys. having issues with getting HDMI and 3.5mm headphone jack working together(not at the same time). I'd like to be able to switch between them when I want to but I'm having some really weird issues.
4632 [22:55:38] <Dynamexia> replaced-url
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4635 [22:56:59] <tom99> hmm so to find out what pastebinit is
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4637 [22:57:08] <tom99> you have to /msg dpkg and type 'what is pastebinit'
4638 [22:57:15] <tom99> What is wikisend?
4639 [22:57:28] <tom99> dpkg: What is wikisend?
4640 [22:57:30] <dpkg> tom99: what are you talking about?
4641 [22:57:33] <greycat> or just /msg dpkg pastebinit
4642 [22:57:38] <tom99> dpkg: What is pastebinit?
4643 [22:57:39] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
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4645 [22:57:42] <greycat> or apt-cache search pastebinit
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4653 [23:00:16] <tom99> luckily i'm on wheezy so I can do pastebinit without the extra commanda rgument
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4708 [23:27:33] <tom99> ok how about this
4709 [23:27:41] <tom99> if i want a shortcut to Terminal on my debian desktop how do I do it?
4710 [23:27:48] <tom99> i tried right clicking on it in the menu and that just starts it
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4720 [23:29:56] <mtn> tom99: which desktop is it? gnome?
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4722 [23:30:01] <tom99> i think so
4723 [23:30:07] <tom99> i don't know how to check that
4724 [23:30:11] <tom99> but i have gdm3 running so maybe?
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4728 [23:31:31] <somiaj> tom99: default would be gnome, you can see what process are running by looking at 'ps fax' and that will tell you what is running.
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