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1 [00:01:00] <buruma> How can I automatically mount external devices? After switching from gnome to i3 as window manager,I have to either manually mount them devices, or open the default filebrowser nautilus which mounts them for me
2 [00:01:21] <voicegui> can nayone recomnend me an easy to use GUI application to record my own voice with a microphone. Something like audio-recorder which unfortunately is not available for jessie.
3 [00:01:52] <voicegui> ardour is overkill
4 [00:02:11] <otyugh> audacity?
5 [00:02:23] <voicegui> audacity is overkill
6 [00:02:41] <otyugh> gnome-microphone or such ?
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10 [00:03:05] <otyugh> I don't recall the exact name
11 [00:03:05] <luxio> Is there a way to use Debian Stable, but still have some up-to-date packages?
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14 [00:03:30] <otyugh> luxio, yes, but it is advised against it, but still possible.
15 [00:03:35] <voicegui> does gnome-microphone exist?
16 [00:03:41] <luxio> otyugh: Why is it advised againt?
17 [00:04:11] <missmbob> otyugh: replaced-url
18 [00:04:18] <otyugh> it's call a frankendebian, modern and less modern libs can be a threat to stability or security
19 [00:04:27] <missmbob> backports.debian.org is not frankendebian
20 [00:04:32] <otyugh> backport is the less damageable
21 [00:04:37] <otyugh> still not supported thought
22 [00:04:46] <missmbob> we support it in here
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24 [00:05:08] <otyugh> Oh ? I recall haerd the contrary. Interesting.
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26 [00:05:23] <luxio> so how do I choose to install a backports package as opposed to a stable package?
27 [00:05:43] <otyugh> Anyway not all software have backported version, you can know throught asking "judd" by "/msg judd ,v audacity" for instance
28 [00:05:57] <missmbob> luxio: replaced-url
29 [00:06:17] <voicegui> audio-recorder is a very popular with mint and ubuntu and extremely easy to use application which unfortunately is not available for jessie BUT has anyone been able to install it on jessie?
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31 [00:07:23] <otyugh> voicegui : gnome-sound-recorder
32 [00:07:28] <otyugh> that is the name I was looking for
33 [00:07:53] <otyugh> but anyway
34 [00:08:08] <otyugh> if you think audacity is overkill, just use commandline, and be done with it
35 [00:10:22] <otyugh> (looks very simple : replaced-url
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42 [00:12:43] <voicegui> have you used gnome-sound-recorder to record your own voice on jessie?
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49 [00:15:33] <luxio> Even when I add jessie-backports, gcc is stuck at 4.9.2
50 [00:15:45] <luxio> isn't it around 6.2 now?
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53 [00:16:23] <missmbob> not all packages have backports. that one doesnt. and gcc is 6.1.1 in sid btw
54 [00:17:32] <voicegui> otyugh, NO command line please
55 [00:17:39] <somiaj> luxio: not all packages are provided via jessie-backports, pluss due to pinning jessie-backports will not be installed by default.
56 [00:17:45] <somiaj> luxio: what does apt-cache policy gcc return?
57 [00:17:48] <voicegui> have you used gnome-sound-recorder to record your own voice on jessie?
58 [00:18:21] <somiaj> luxio: It looks like gcc has not been backported to jessie. Any raeson you need gcc 6?
59 [00:18:43] <voicegui> BTW gnome-sound-recorder exits with an error
60 [00:18:59] <luxio> somiaj: no specific reason, I'm just deciding between distros
61 [00:19:07] <luxio> running Debian in a VM right now
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63 [00:19:18] <missmbob> luxio: dont expect debian to have latest anything. even in backports
64 [00:19:24] <luxio> and I mean, it'd be nice to have the latest software
65 [00:19:32] <missmbob> luxio: then debian isnt for you
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68 [00:20:47] <somiaj> luxio: jessie-backports provides select packages for backports, but many things won't be backported. Debian is designed to be a stable/frozen releases in which all the packages are known to work well together. As missmbob said, if you are someone who wants software to update more regurally, debian may not be what you are looking for.
69 [00:22:36] <awal1> debian unstable/testing may be ^
70 [00:23:09] <otyugh> ,v gcc
71 [00:23:10] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:6.1.1-1; stretch: 4:6.1.1-1
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75 [00:23:58] <luxio> awal1: yeah but I read that the security can be bad on those
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77 [00:24:16] <luxio> "Note that testing does not get the timely security updates from the security team."
78 [00:24:19] <luxio> replaced-url
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86 [00:25:46] <otyugh> you could use archlinux, which is designed for updateness sake
87 [00:25:47] <somiaj> luxio: correct, debian stable is known to work and get timely security. Debian unstable/testing are moving targets and things are constantally changing. Side effects of this are low priority for security fixes and a multiude of bugs that may creep in. But a debian release is designed to be frozen and predictable.
88 [00:26:31] <somiaj> luxio: note packages in unstable and testing do get security fixes, but mostly through the normal flow of packages in the constantally changing pre-release.
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90 [00:26:32] <otyugh> voicegui, well I tried once and it worked fine on raspberrypi
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93 [00:26:47] <otyugh> but I prefer audacity for the task x)
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98 [00:28:24] <otyugh> archlinux is way better, I think, for developers and gamers. Everything is really up to date even if you have to hack a bit sometimes, because a lot of upgrade happens and the staff is smaller than debian's.
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100 [00:29:02] <otyugh> (well I'm not sure for the developper side :O)
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103 [00:29:42] <awal1> luxio, well, nothing is perfect, you have to choose between security & stability vs bleeding edge
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106 [00:30:31] <otyugh> ...Or Ubuntu which claim to be still okay on the security side.
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133 [00:44:53] <ksft> I'm having trouble booting Debian from a live USB.
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135 [00:45:01] <ksft> I'm on Ubuntu now.
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137 [00:45:09] <ksft> I think the problem has to do with EFI.
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139 [00:45:23] <missmbob> ksft: live doesnt support that
140 [00:45:31] <ksft> the USB drive doesn't show up in the BIOS's list of boot devices
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142 [00:45:49] <ksft> then how should I install Debian?
143 [00:45:59] <missmbob> ksft: you use the real installer, not live.
144 [00:46:08] <ksft> okay, how do I do that?
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146 [00:46:18] <ksft> someone in ##linux suggested I use a live USB thing
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149 [00:46:34] <missmbob> ksft: they're stupid. replaced-url
150 [00:46:36] <ksft> I have a largish partition for Ubuntu that I also store a lot of data on
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152 [00:46:51] <ksft> I want to be able to use those files from Debain
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154 [00:47:01] <ksft> and shrink that partition to fit Debian
155 [00:47:24] <ksft> what do I do with that file?
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157 [00:47:55] <missmbob> cp firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdX (probably sdb, NOT sdb1)
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160 [00:48:18] <missmbob> you want to shrink the partition first, though
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162 [00:48:33] <ksft> that's what I was doing before
163 [00:48:40] <ksft> maybe I wasn't trying to create a live USB
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165 [00:48:56] <missmbob> i doubt you went to the iso i linked you to. newbies dont find that one
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168 [00:49:32] <ksft> then what do I want?
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170 [00:49:50] <missmbob> i linked you to what you want.
171 [00:50:03] <ksft> I got a file called debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-standard.iso
172 [00:50:10] <ksft> oh, hah
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175 [00:50:16] <missmbob> yeah, that's not what i linked you to. that one doesnt support uefi
176 [00:50:23] <ksft> I misread that as "i doubt you want the iso i linked you to"
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181 [00:50:49] <missmbob> ksft: then show me what you type to get the iso to the usb
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183 [00:51:40] <ksft> missmbob: "cp ~/Downloads/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb"?
184 [00:51:52] <missmbob> you'll need to sudo, but yeah
185 [00:52:04] <missmbob> then sync
186 [00:52:12] <ksft> what does that do?
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188 [00:52:18] <ksft> also, what's /dev/?
189 [00:52:26] <missmbob> flushes the buffer to make sure it's done writing. it's the "eject" on windows
190 [00:52:30] <ksft> ah
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193 [00:52:46] <ksft> just `sync`?
194 [00:52:49] <missmbob> yeah
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196 [00:53:11] <ksft> do I need to unmount it first?
197 [00:53:17] <missmbob> no
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199 [00:54:01] <missmbob> ksft: keep in mind even though it supports uefi it doesnt support secure boot. make sure that's disabled in bios
200 [00:54:08] <RoyK> I hope you didn't have any data on sdb
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202 [00:54:26] <missmbob> stupid live iso
203 [00:54:26] <ksft> it is
204 [00:54:33] <ksft> RoyK: I don't know what sdb is
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206 [00:54:57] <ksft> what is it?
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208 [00:55:03] <RoyK> ksft: it's what Windows would call D:
209 [00:55:04] <missmbob> hopefully your flash drive
210 [00:55:16] <ksft> how do I make sure it is?
211 [00:55:31] <missmbob> plug it back in and type dmesg
212 [00:55:32] <RoyK> lsblk
213 [00:55:36] <missmbob> or that
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215 [00:55:41] <ksft> it's been plugged in the whole time
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219 [00:56:19] <missmbob> should still show up if not too many new messages have been logged. if you dont see it, unplug and plug it back in then dmesg again
220 [00:56:31] <ksft> I ran `cp ~/Downloads/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb`
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222 [00:56:37] <ksft> it finished suspiciously quickly
223 [00:56:43] <missmbob> ksft: it's tiny. that's normal
224 [00:56:57] <ksft> it's several hundred megabytes
225 [00:57:00] <missmbob> no it's not
226 [00:57:06] <ksft> the file I downloaded is
227 [00:57:08] <RoyK> ksft: erm - smartctl -i /dev/sdb
228 [00:57:08] <missmbob> the one i linked you to is about 270
229 [00:57:16] <missmbob> ksft: then you cant follow instructions
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231 [00:57:26] <ksft> 267 MB
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233 [00:57:30] <missmbob> yeah, see?
234 [00:57:35] <missmbob> guessing isnt good for you
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236 [00:57:45] <ksft> huh?
237 [00:57:49] <ksft> I called it "several hundred"
238 [00:57:55] <missmbob> 270 is not several
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240 [00:57:59] <ksft> okay
241 [00:58:11] <ksft> now I should be able to boot from it?
242 [00:58:21] <missmbob> assuming everything was done correctly
243 [00:58:40] <ksft> I thought that's what a live USB was
244 [00:58:51] <missmbob> debian live is shit
245 [00:58:56] <ksft> a thing you can boot from
246 [00:59:02] <missmbob> lead developer of it quit several months ago, too.
247 [00:59:07] <ksft> I thought that's what "live USB" meant
248 [01:00:12] <ksft> should I resize the partition before I try to boot from it?
249 [01:00:19] <ksft> if so, how do I do that?
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252 [01:01:12] <missmbob> gparted has a live image that can help. replaced-url
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255 [01:01:29] <missmbob> make a cd or usb out of that iso and boot into it. you'll get a nice partitioner
256 [01:02:02] <ksft> is there a reason I shouldn't run it in Ubuntu?
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258 [01:02:09] <climjark> hello all!
259 [01:02:20] <ksft> oh, because you can't
260 [01:02:24] <missmbob> ksft: it cant. the drive cant be mounted
261 [01:02:48] <ksft> not sure I have another USB drive I can conveniently use for this
262 [01:03:24] <missmbob> so have it be gparted first, then reboot after shrinking back into ubuntu, then cp the debian iso to the usb again
263 [01:03:25] <ksft> I'll just use the same one
264 [01:03:29] <ksft> yeah
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266 [01:04:08] <ksft> I'm guessing it won't be easy to use IRC from gparted
267 [01:04:15] <missmbob> not possible
268 [01:04:26] <ksft> yeah
269 [01:04:38] <ksft> so I should shrink the partition
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271 [01:04:50] <missmbob> i there's no unallocated space you have to
272 [01:04:52] <ksft> should I create a new partition, or should I do that when I'm installing Debian?
273 [01:05:02] <missmbob> debian installer will create it
274 [01:05:05] <ksft> okay
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276 [01:05:19] <ksft> how do I make sure I don't accidentally delete everything?
277 [01:05:37] <missmbob> do it slowly :P pay very close attention to read everything exactly
278 [01:05:51] <ksft> okay
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280 [01:06:11] <ksft> I'm really bad about backups, but I did back up everything important, I think, a few days ago
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282 [01:06:42] <ksft> how much space should I give Debian?
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286 [01:07:04] <DoctorD90> it depends
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290 [01:07:19] <DoctorD90> how much is bigger your hdd?
291 [01:07:20] <ksft> if I want to, say, try several window managers, do I need to give it more space, or can I somehow use them from the Ubuntu partition?
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293 [01:07:24] <missmbob> at the very least 15G. but really as big as you think you'll need (if you'll be downloading a ton of crap, etc)
294 [01:07:26] <ksft> It's 512 GB
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297 [01:07:37] <ksft> I'd like to use the Ubuntu partition for storage
298 [01:07:39] <missmbob> ksft: no you cant use it from ubuntu
299 [01:07:41] <ksft> or maybe create a new one
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302 [01:07:54] <otyugh> separate your /home then
303 [01:07:56] <missmbob> ksft: you can mount the ubuntu partition and save crap to it, though
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306 [01:08:10] <ksft> okay
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309 [01:08:16] <missmbob> he doesnt know what /dev/ is. telling him to separate crap isn't productive
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311 [01:08:28] <DoctorD90> ksft: 100gb should be good as system
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313 [01:08:36] <ksft> df shows a bunch of things, the biggest of which is /dev/sda8
314 [01:09:01] <ksft> 215 GB of 322 GB on it are used
315 [01:09:03] <otyugh> debian / : 20Go ubuntu / : 50Go, /home : the rest, and you'll add 2Go if swap in a swapfile or dedicaced partition.
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318 [01:09:18] <ksft> what's "tmpfs"?
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320 [01:09:39] <missmbob> ksft: forget all of that. shrink ubuntu to what you feel comfortable with. then on debian you let the installer take care of the remaining free space automatically
321 [01:09:50] <ksft> which partition is Ubuntu?
322 [01:10:02] <DoctorD90> missmbob +1
323 [01:10:06] <ksft> df lists eleven things
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326 [01:10:33] <DoctorD90> forget df...
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328 [01:10:41] <missmbob> ksft: ksft my guess is the largest one you want to shrink. so /dev/sda8
329 [01:10:43] <ksft> "udev" and "tmpfs" are each 7.8 GB and empty, according to that
330 [01:10:55] <missmbob> yeah dont worry about that
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332 [01:11:02] <ksft> but that's like 15 GB
333 [01:11:05] <`Kevin> lol
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335 [01:11:09] <missmbob> you didnt freaking use encryption in ubuntu, did you?
336 [01:11:12] <missmbob> forgot to ask
337 [01:11:15] <ksft> I didn't
338 [01:11:18] <missmbob> good.
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340 [01:11:39] <ksft> mostly because I didn't want things like this to break everything
341 [01:11:46] <`Kevin> ksft: tmpfs is ram not your disk
342 [01:11:53] <ksft> ohh
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345 [01:11:59] <otyugh> >tmpfs is a common name for a temporary file storage facility on many Unix-like operating systems. It is intended to appear as a mounted file system, but stored in volatile memory instead of a persistent storage device.
346 [01:12:25] <DoctorD90> ksft: follow missmbob suggests. he knows what he is suggesting to you
347 [01:12:29] <ksft> okay
348 [01:12:36] <otyugh> Kevin : could be on swap too right ?
349 [01:12:41] <otyugh> not necessarly on ram
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351 [01:13:27] <DoctorD90> otyugh: tu es français? :P
352 [01:13:29] <ksft> is it possible and a good idea to move /home onto a separate partition I can use from both Debian and Ubuntu?
353 [01:13:31] <otyugh> well I second missmbob.
354 [01:13:54] <otyugh> DoctorD90, crappy english or IP location gave me up ?
355 [01:14:05] <missmbob> ksft: you can. not recommended between distros. for it to not cause problems uuid guid, etc, have to match
356 [01:14:15] <ksft> okay
357 [01:14:21] <missmbob> ksft: and then different version of programs have different config files (stored in /home)
358 [01:14:25] <DoctorD90> otyugh Go as GigaByte :P hehe
359 [01:14:26] <ksft> what about just ~/Documents?
360 [01:14:30] <missmbob> so one version wont know how to read the new format, etc
361 [01:14:34] <`Kevin> otyugh: in crap scenarios sure :)
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364 [01:14:59] <missmbob> ksft: you dont need a seperate partition, though. you can mount all of ubuntu in debian.
365 [01:15:15] <ksft> wouldn't it be better to just mount what I need?
366 [01:15:21] <missmbob> it'd be easier
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369 [01:15:30] <ksft> I wish I had set this up better when I installed Ubuntu
370 [01:15:42] <ksft> maybe I'll just mount Ubuntu and store stuff there
371 [01:15:51] <ksft> do it better next time
372 [01:16:09] <missmbob> gotta go for a bit. good luck.
373 [01:16:14] <DoctorD90> nigth guys ;)
374 [01:16:16] <otyugh> we always regret our partitionning choices someday x)
375 [01:16:20] <ksft> wait noo!
376 [01:16:33] <ksft> is everyone who knows what they're doing leaving?
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378 [01:17:01] <ksft> is 25 GB good for everything that needs to be on the same partition as Debian?
379 [01:17:04] <ksft> 20 GB?
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381 [01:17:53] <ksft> I assume gparted can shrink partitions so that it only removes empty space from that partition
382 [01:17:56] <ksft> right?
383 [01:18:04] <epsilon> ksft: default install with desktop? yes
384 [01:18:44] <ksft> epsilon: possibly several desktop environments
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386 [01:18:56] <ksft> haven't decided on my favorite yet
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388 [01:19:20] <epsilon> ksft: first time using linux?
389 [01:19:30] <ksft> no, I've been using Ubuntu for a couple years or so
390 [01:19:38] <ksft> just haven't used any except Unity much
391 [01:20:00] <ksft> I like xfce, and I want to try i3
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393 [01:20:54] <epsilon> ksft: try debian live cd first, it has cinnamon, gnome, kde, lsde, mate, xfce for tryout
394 [01:21:28] <ksft> missmbob just suggested I not use a live thing
395 [01:21:30] <awal1> ksft, excluding /home stuff, you can 20gb are enough for install all DEs/WMs available in debian
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397 [01:21:53] <ksft> awal1: what's "/home stuff"?
398 [01:22:04] <ksft> you mean things I store there?
399 [01:22:10] <awal1> yeah
400 [01:22:15] <ksft> I plan to use the Ubuntu partition for most of my storage
401 [01:22:22] <awal1> i dont know, books, audio, video stuff
402 [01:22:41] <ksft> yeah
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404 [01:23:09] <ksft> I have an external drive, but I can't get to it for a couple days
405 [01:23:36] <ksft> I'm going to wait until then and then store a disk image on it before I try to change the partitions
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409 [01:25:10] <otyugh> 25GB is fine for debian, as long as you only use it for system
410 [01:25:28] <otyugh> if the /home is in it, it will probably get tight pretty soon
411 [01:25:34] <ksft> okay
412 [01:25:45] <otyugh> alas again, depends a lot on the software you chose
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414 [01:25:52] <ksft> I just realized that the external drive I was going to use might not be big enough
415 [01:26:20] <ksft> maybe I'll give it 30 GB
416 [01:26:34] <otyugh> But I personnaly use debian for 3 years now, and "/" without home is 15GB.
417 [01:27:10] <otyugh> (not very helping thought, the archlinux I use for gaming is more close to 150 GB)
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425 [01:29:00] <epsilon> na, xfce without home requires like 3 GB
426 [01:29:10] * awal1 Wonders how many gbs are needed for install all the software available in debian (40000 +). maybe something like 50/60 gb (?)
427 [01:29:24] <awal1> epsilon, much less then that
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429 [01:29:51] <otyugh> agin depends of what you'll had time passing throught.
430 [01:30:05] <glowing_apple> Hi, I'm running debian testing and having issues with KDE over a VNC session. KDE runs fine on the attached display, but running a vncserver session all I get is a grey screen. I installed xfce4 and it works fine over VNC, but KDE doesn't seem to be loading. I'm not really sure where to start troubleshooting.
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432 [01:31:29] <awal1> epsilon, just xfce4 and it's goodies, no more then 300 mb
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436 [01:32:31] <awal1> windows base system (pack1, 2...) around 50/60 gb :D
437 [01:32:45] <epsilon> think? I have a shell-box which needs like 400MB minimum
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445 [01:35:04] <awal1> xfce is my main DE, xfce4 + xfce4-goodies , after unpacking , no more then 300 mb. kde-full , the biggest unix-like DE,around 2 gb
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452 [01:37:27] <isaaclw2> ... so I just started a debian 7 -> debian 8 upgrade inside tmux. Then I detached, and now I get the error: protocol version mismatch (client 8, server 6). How screwed am I? any way to resolve this?
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455 [01:38:02] <jim> the first thing you want to do is bring the debian 7 up to date
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459 [01:39:30] <jim> you should still be able to use the console on a vt
460 [01:39:33] <isaaclw2> ok, sorry. false alarm. apt-get isn't still running.
461 [01:39:39] <isaaclw2> I can just kill tmux and recreate
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465 [01:40:24] <isaaclw2> I was worried it was stuck on some prompt merging configs, and killing it would cause dpkg to get in an incomplete state
466 [01:40:28] <jim> had you made sure the debian 7 is uptodate before moving on to 8?
467 [01:40:44] <isaaclw2> yes
468 [01:41:11] <jim> then... the upgrade probably worked?
469 [01:41:20] <jim> you may need to rebot
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471 [01:41:23] <isaaclw2> yep. I think we're good.
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479 [01:43:41] <jim> in fact you very likely do: the upgrade probably installed a new kernel AND some server daemons you may have had running need to be restarted to get the new libc
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542 [02:21:10] <NSGFK> Is the longstanding encryption bug fixecd.
543 [02:21:27] <missmbob> who knows. have a CVE?
544 [02:21:40] <NSGFK> Where you install Debian enable encryption and the install fails due to the swap partition not being disabled.
545 [02:21:59] <missmbob> worked for me yesterday
546 [02:22:12] <missmbob> dont use testing installer
547 [02:22:17] <NSGFK> I'm not using the testing
548 [02:22:22] <NSGFK> This is a long LONG standing bug
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550 [02:22:29] <missmbob> i havent run into it
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552 [02:22:37] <NSGFK> That doens't mean it doesn't exist.
553 [02:22:45] <missmbob> if you dont have a bug # or CVE...how can we tell?
554 [02:22:55] <missmbob> otherwise you're just saying shit
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556 [02:23:13] <NSGFK> You're the one just saying shit right now
557 [02:23:24] <missmbob> okay. get back when you have the bug #
558 [02:23:27] <NSGFK> I've experienced this in the installer and havent' gone looking for a CVE / bug #
559 [02:23:36] <NSGFK> missmbob, go back to #mac
560 [02:23:37] <missmbob> NSGFK: how do you make the installer?
561 [02:23:40] <NSGFK> "works for me"
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564 [02:24:03] <NSGFK> missmbob, The bug works across DD'ing a usb, unetbootin, Linux Live USB creator
565 [02:24:20] <missmbob> NSGFK: did you use unetbootin or rufus? yeah, see. unetbootin breaks debian. and live doesnt support uefi
566 [02:24:22] <NSGFK> When you do a full disk install without LVM and enable encryption it doesn't swapoff
567 [02:24:23] <missmbob> !unetbootin
568 [02:24:24] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
569 [02:24:29] <missmbob> NSGFK: ^^ you're doing it wrong
570 [02:24:36] <NSGFK> missmbob, are you thick?
571 [02:24:43] <NSGFK> DD a USB and the bug still exists.
572 [02:25:07] <NSGFK> I can't remember the exact words but it refuses to continue as there's a unsafe swap partition
573 [02:25:09] <missmbob> give me a bug # since it's so long standing
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575 [02:25:17] <NSGFK> To get past you switch into a tty and swapoff -a
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577 [02:25:28] <NSGFK> I'm ready to /ignore you.
578 [02:25:32] <missmbob> go for it
579 [02:25:38] <NSGFK> You're either a troll or a moron.
580 [02:25:45] <NSGFK> You can go re-produce the problem right now.
581 [02:25:55] <missmbob> i installed it yesterday. didn't see it
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583 [02:26:03] <NSGFK> Don't use LVM, select a full partition, enable encryption and it fails.
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585 [02:26:30] <NSGFK> The installer by default creates a swap partition
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587 [02:26:37] <missmbob> i'm aware
588 [02:26:41] <NSGFK> When enabling encryption it doesn't disable it or make a safe swap
589 [02:26:50] <missmbob> does here
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591 [02:27:35] <NSGFK> Again your scenario doesn't cover all
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593 [02:28:04] <missmbob> for such a "long" "systemic" bug you should be able to give a #
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595 [02:28:26] <NSGFK> I haven't looked up a bug #
596 [02:28:29] <missmbob> otherwise how do you know it's a known bug for so long?
597 [02:28:43] <NSGFK> Experienced it since wheezy
598 [02:28:57] <NSGFK> Possibly dates back further.
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601 [02:29:11] <missmbob> yet yesterday it worked for me. magic.
602 [02:29:17] <NSGFK> missmbob, you sound like the guy who +q'd me for a "unreproducable bug"
603 [02:29:19] <NSGFK> in #ubuntu
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605 [02:29:29] <NSGFK> Three others reproduced it and posted screenshots.
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607 [02:29:31] <NSGFK> "not a bug"
608 [02:29:39] <NSGFK> To seen a CD rom when installing from a USB
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611 [02:29:43] <missmbob> ubuntu is easier to debug, actually. as far as installer goes
612 [02:30:10] <NSGFK> replaced-url
613 [02:30:13] <NSGFK> Same bug in ubuntu.
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615 [02:30:41] <NSGFK> Amazing that your system "just worked". You probably disabled swap
616 [02:30:49] <missmbob> that's 13.10. has nothing to do with how far jessie installer goes
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618 [02:31:31] <NSGFK> missmbob, ...
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620 [02:31:39] <NSGFK> It shows the bug is real across debian based distros too.
621 [02:31:42] <missmbob> NSGFK: you know ubuntu works with secure boot? debian doesn't. things are different.
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623 [02:31:49] <NSGFK> missmbob, ...
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625 [02:31:55] <NSGFK> You must be really thick.
626 [02:32:02] <NSGFK> Your brain must be made of lead.
627 [02:32:11] <NSGFK> You can reproduce the bug in debian derivatives
628 [02:32:12] <NSGFK> debian
629 [02:32:34] <NSGFK> I'm downloading virtualbox right now to re-create the bug
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631 [02:33:25] <NSGFK> missmbob, you follow the instructions to re-create it in ubuntu on debian and you get the same issue
632 [02:33:30] <missmbob> NSGFK: since i'm so thick, you realize you're asking in the wrong channel for installer support, right? wrong network, even. it's #debian-boot on OFTC
633 [02:33:38] <NSGFK> It's not unetbootin's fault nor is it secureboot.
634 [02:34:01] <NSGFK> missmbob, #debian is debian support.
635 [02:34:13] <cra1g321> you shouldn't be using unetbootin btw
636 [02:34:14] <NSGFK> I've been here on off for years without anyone complaining about the installer.
637 [02:34:16] <missmbob> yes, and it breaks up. like testing support. and installer support
638 [02:34:18] <NSGFK> cra1g321, I'm not
639 [02:34:31] <missmbob> and web support. and all sorts
640 [02:34:33] <NSGFK> missmbob, Again stop putting words in my mouth.
641 [02:34:34] <missmbob> so go to the proper place
642 [02:34:43] <NSGFK> This isn't becuase of unetbootin, this isn't the testing installer, this isn't secureboot.
643 [02:34:56] <NSGFK> I referenced the same issue happening in ubuntu while I find the debian bug tracker
644 [02:35:02] <missmbob> i didn't say it was testing installer
645 [02:35:14] <missmbob> installer, even stable, #debian-boot on OFTC
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647 [02:36:20] <NSGFK> replaced-url
648 [02:36:21] <judd> Bug replaced-url
649 [02:36:32] <NSGFK> There's another instance of it.
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651 [02:36:38] <NSGFK> missmbob, yes you did.
652 [02:36:38] <missmbob> last modified 2014
653 [02:36:46] <NSGFK> You said it was caused by unetbootin
654 [02:36:50] <NSGFK> then you said it was secureboot
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656 [02:37:03] <NSGFK> Now what? it doesn't exist becuase it was last modified 2014?
657 [02:37:04] <missmbob> you mentioned unetbootin. i said dont use it. i mentioned secure boot. dont use it.
658 [02:37:08] <missmbob> i didnt say it was caused by
659 [02:37:10] <missmbob> jesus
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662 [02:37:23] <NSGFK> You litterally told me not to use secure boot because it causes the problem.
663 [02:37:28] <missmbob> it does
664 [02:37:32] <NSGFK> You said the problem doesn't exist becuase "it works for me"
665 [02:37:33] <OerHeks> i know this version replaced-url
666 [02:37:37] <missmbob> debian doesnt work with secure boot. ubuntu does
667 [02:37:39] <NSGFK> No it does not.
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669 [02:37:50] <missmbob> NSGFK: you're wrong. debian does not work with secure boot
670 [02:37:50] <NSGFK> The problem with encrypting the partition is not secureboot related.
671 [02:37:58] <NSGFK> missmbob, You must have a brain made of lead.
672 [02:38:01] <missmbob> NSGFK: replaced-url
673 [02:38:03] <NSGFK> It's NOT secureboots fault.
674 [02:38:05] <missmbob> NSGFK: see for yourself
675 [02:38:11] <NSGFK> None of my machines even have secureboot
676 [02:38:21] <missmbob> i didnt say it was. i said secureboot causes problem and was asking
677 [02:38:25] <NSGFK> YES YOU ARE.
678 [02:38:29] <missmbob> for fuck's sake man
679 [02:38:29] <NSGFK> YOU JUST SAID IT THREE TIMES.
680 [02:38:38] <NSGFK> YOU SAID "DON'T USE SECURE BOOT IT CAUSES PROBLEMS"
681 [02:38:42] <missmbob> alright. go have fun.
682 [02:38:46] <missmbob> it DOES
683 [02:38:50] <NSGFK> !ops missmbob trolling
684 [02:38:51] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nsgfk complains about: missmbob trolling
685 [02:38:53] <missmbob> DEBIAN DOESNT SUPPORT SECURE BOOT
686 [02:38:58] <missmbob> see the wiki i just linked you to
687 [02:38:59] <NSGFK> You're pretty obviously a troll
688 [02:39:13] <missmbob> okay. can't wait for an op to tell me debian supports secure boot
689 [02:39:17] <missmbob> any op out there?
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691 [02:39:23] <NSGFK> WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SECURE BOOT.
692 [02:39:27] <NSGFK> THIS IS NOT SECUREBOOTS FAULT.
693 [02:39:29] <Starky> missmbob: just get out
694 [02:39:37] <missmbob> Starky: no kidding. fuck this.
695 [02:39:40] <Gryllida> NSGFK: please disable caps
696 [02:39:47] <NSGFK> Gryllida, sorry but this is agrivating.
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698 [02:40:01] <NSGFK> missmbob, is clearly a troll. I explained it's not on a secure boot machine so it can't be secureboots fault.
699 [02:40:05] <Gryllida> NSGFK: take a deep breath, close eyes for a minute or something...
700 [02:40:12] <NSGFK> S/he responds "it's secure boots fault. debian doesn't support secure boot"
701 [02:40:21] <Gryllida> NSGFK: you can vent about people like Gryllida being stupid at #debian-ops, they like to hear feedback
702 [02:40:22] <NSGFK> I've linked two instances of this bug now.
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704 [02:40:43] <NSGFK> Gryllida, you're not stupid. You're a wonderful woman who's helped thousands of people here.
705 [02:40:55] <NSGFK> You've helped me in the past.
706 [02:41:13] <NSGFK> Without your help years ago I'd have given up on Linux completely.
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709 [02:41:52] <NSGFK> Gryllida, I remember when you where a staffer.
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711 [02:42:20] <Gryllida> Was an interesting time...
712 [02:42:44] <NSGFK> Gryllida, You where a level headed staffer who cared about the network.
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714 [02:42:57] <NSGFK> Now it feels like the staffers care more about pushing thir own agendas.
715 [02:43:03] <Gryllida> I keep making more stupid mistakes than others... someone just asking you to link to the bug is a very very small problem compared to how I screwed things up during the yeas...
716 [02:43:16] <NSGFK> Gryllida, what have you screwed up?
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718 [02:43:37] <Gryllida> a relatively big number of computers, if you compare to what I touched :)
719 [02:44:18] <NSGFK> oh god.
720 [02:44:26] <NSGFK> Gryllida, Can I throw an idea past you?
721 [02:45:12] <bugaloo> hi all. i'm running kde over debian 9 on my laptop. When I plug the laptop on my tv via hdmi, the video is ok, but audio is still on the speakers. Any ideas? I used to do this using gnome on debian 8 and it used to work.
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723 [02:45:32] <NSGFK> bugaloo, do you have pulseaudio installed?
724 [02:45:41] <missmbob> !tell bugaloo about debian-next
725 [02:45:52] <missmbob> bugaloo: see what the bot told you
726 [02:46:17] <NSGFK> missmbob, That's a really good job helping him.
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728 [02:46:28] <missmbob> NSGFK: it is if you read the /topic
729 [02:46:31] <Gryllida> bugaloo: when asking the debian-next people (I am there too) include output of `aplay -l'
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732 [02:47:21] <NSGFK> Gryllida, You think it would be adviasble to create chroot jails to store software I compile myself
733 [02:47:22] <Gryllida> NSGFK: we split debian and debian-next here because we don't know how to troubleshoot debian-next, it does things differently
734 [02:47:38] <NSGFK> This way there's no conflicts if the repo's update before I do
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736 [02:47:53] <Gryllida> NSGFK: I didn't chroot before, but I don't think it's a bad idea to do it for self compiled things. If in doubt I just compile things under another username.
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738 [02:47:56] <bugaloo> Gryllida, ok , thanks
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741 [02:48:04] <missmbob> if you're doing ssb there's no need. if ssb isnt enough then yes, chroot
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756 [02:50:51] <Livingroom> Hello fellow debianers. i am struggling to understand how to correctly use RSYNC - is anyone here that might be able to help?
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759 [02:51:19] <NSGFK> Livingroom, the gurus have #rysnc
760 [02:51:24] <Livingroom> oh nice! thanks!
761 [02:51:28] <NSGFK> Be careful there's a troll lurking there
762 [02:51:37] <Livingroom> it's the internet- is there ever NOT a troll lurking?
763 [02:51:37] <NSGFK> I asked how to copy but not erase my photos from my phone.
764 [02:51:44] <missmbob> Livingroom: sure. my default is rsync -aP (a = archive P = progress). so rsync user@ip:/path ~/ would download path and save all attributes to ~/
765 [02:51:48] <NSGFK> He gave me a command that would erase at both ends
766 [02:51:55] <RoyK> Livingroom: rsync isn't particularly hard
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768 [02:52:12] <NSGFK> ^
769 [02:52:13] <Livingroom> i'm sure it's not, but i'm having trouble
770 [02:52:22] <NSGFK> Livingroom, what are you trying to achieve
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773 [02:52:28] <RoyK> Livingroom: what are you trying to transfer?
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775 [02:53:12] <Livingroom> well, let me try and explain
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778 [02:53:39] <John[Lisbeth]> do you guys know if there are some old debians that are still unofficially supported beyond the current debian oldstable?
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780 [02:53:59] <missmbob> John[Lisbeth]: no oldstable is it
781 [02:54:16] <John[Lisbeth]> oh well. You know if current oldstable still has floppy support?
782 [02:54:29] <missmbob> sure it does
783 [02:54:30] <Livingroom> i have a backup performed to a USB3 drive at /dev/sdc1 - but it has "number of backups" set to 5, so every day it says "oh, i have 5 backups here. i need to delete one, to make room for the new one!" and instead of running another backup process for my second backup drive /dev/sdd1, i'd like to use rsync to "sync" /backup to /backup-removable
784 [02:54:33] <John[Lisbeth]> ty
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792 [02:55:48] <missmbob> John[Lisbeth]: sure. -a for archive. -P if you want progress updates as it's happening
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794 [02:56:18] <RoyK> Livingroom: perhaps use something like duplicity instead
795 [02:56:21] <Livingroom> i tried that but it seems to overrite all the files
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797 [02:56:31] <missmbob> no -a doesnt do that
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799 [02:56:43] <missmbob> you can man rsync and look up -a to see what all it does
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801 [02:57:08] <RoyK> Livingroom: it won't if you do it correctly - it'll only symlink exinsting stuff
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804 [02:57:52] <RoyK> Livingroom: rsync -a will obviously overwrite old stuff
805 [02:58:15] <missmbob> changed
806 [02:58:22] <Livingroom> ok, i'll try -a -p --delete and see what happens
807 [02:58:35] <Livingroom> because, of course, i need to follow the retention rules and delete the "old" backup
808 [02:58:41] <RoyK> or just use something sane like duplicity
809 [02:58:46] <missmbob> sure
810 [02:58:50] <RoyK> rsync isn't backup software
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812 [02:59:38] <missmbob> it is over network. for local shit it's counter productive since it saves bandwidth by harming i/o
813 [02:59:56] <Livingroom> ok, but what is duplicity?
814 [02:59:59] * RoyK just uses Bareos
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818 [03:01:05] <RoyK> Livingroom: replaced-url
819 [03:01:12] <missmbob> gotta go for a bit
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822 [03:02:08] <Livingroom> royk: that's fine, but duplicity creates a tarball and then copies it - that's way more work and it won't just synchronize the two folders.
823 [03:02:18] <Livingroom> we're talking about ~300gb image files
824 [03:02:35] <Livingroom> the backups are already done by the hypervisor. i just need to say folder1 needs to match folder2
825 [03:02:57] <RoyK> Livingroom: I use bareos for local backups, snapshots on zfs for shorter intervals and crashplan for longterm backups
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828 [03:04:05] <Livingroom> royk: that's terrific, but does not meet my needs. the backups are already being done correctly, to /backup - to a single .xva file - i just want to sync /backup to /backup-removable so i can physically unplug the /backup-removable HD every day and take it off site
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835 [03:04:47] <RoyK> I think you're misunderstanding how duplicity works
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841 [03:06:29] <Livingroom> i'm reading the website at duplicity.nongnu.org - it says it makes an archive (tarball) and then only updates the changed information. that sounds like a tremendous amount of filesystem work, when really all i need is a thing to say "/backup has changed. duplicate these changes to /backup-removable"
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852 [03:14:15] <somiaj> Livingroom: rsync can do that, there is also rdiff-backup
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860 [03:19:20] <pingfloyd> Livingroom: the problem with tarballs is they're a format optimized for linear media
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862 [03:20:41] <Livingroom> the problem with the whole thing is that i dont need it. Xenserver exports-as-a-template to very tidy .Xva files - i only need to keep two directories contents matching, and my backup woes are over
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905 [03:38:47] <average> how do you call it when patches from downstream are imported back into upstream?
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927 [03:49:46] <Hello71> upstreaming.
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939 [03:55:55] <average> thanks
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948 [03:59:21] <average> is there a workflow diagram that includes the upstreaming process ?
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950 [03:59:33] <average> fedora has sort of a policy here about this replaced-url
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966 [04:06:53] <average> is there high adoption of this policy ?
967 [04:06:54] <average> replaced-url
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1021 [04:38:06] <M-alex_mayorga> ¡Hola! Which package shall I file a bug against if the Fn keys for LCD brightness do nothing?
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1023 [04:38:34] <missmbob> probably look at your bios to make sure it's using/not using multimedia keys for Fn
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1058 [05:05:58] <M-alex_mayorga> missmbob: ¡Gracias! Will check there. Any idea for the package if that's not in fact the issue?
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1060 [05:07:14] <missmbob> M-alex_mayorga: i dont use any of the fancy DE's like gnome or kde which control those things. so no. it's not my thing.
1061 [05:07:46] <M-alex_mayorga> missmbob: Thanks anyway =)
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1092 [05:31:59] <M-alex_mayorga> Strngely the on screen indicators do appear...
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1151 [06:10:19] <foreverska> DD is writing waaay too fast, it normally goes back to normal after a few writes, has anybody seen this. It's wriring at 900MB/s.
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1153 [06:15:31] <pingfloyd> foreverska: what command did you run?
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1162 [06:17:01] <luckyguy> my ultrabook has Windows 10 already installed on it. How can I install Windows 10 and Debian from scratch - I want to delete all the Windows files
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1165 [06:17:01] <foreverska> iso flashed to a USB drive?
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1186 [06:17:20] <foreverska> Install windows first though... it used to be a dick about the bootloader in the WIn7 days.
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1191 [06:17:32] <pingfloyd> foreverska: that doesn't answer the question
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1194 [06:17:43] <foreverska> sorry I was talking to lucky
1195 [06:17:44] <foreverska> sudo dd if=ubuntu-15.04-esdk-2016.3.1-headless-z7010.img of=/dev/sdf
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1204 [06:18:14] <pingfloyd> what device is /dev/sdf?
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1208 [06:18:34] <foreverska> It's an SD card reader in a USB2.0 port
1209 [06:19:01] <pingfloyd> what's the file size of ubuntu-15.04-esdk-2016.3.1-headless-z7010.img
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1213 [06:19:18] <foreverska> 3.8GB, card is ~16.
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1221 [06:21:55] <pingfloyd> foreverska: did you try mounting the sd card and looking at its contents?
1222 [06:22:31] <foreverska> The card was zeroed at some point. I was just thinking I might try wiping it again and retry the process
1223 [06:23:24] <pingfloyd> foreverska: sometimes on a usb stick, for example, after dding a live image to it, it won't work right until you delete the partitions on it, the partition table, create a new partition and fs on it.
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1225 [06:24:19] <pingfloyd> foreverska: don't ask me why, but I've seen plenty of usb sticks that seemed like they had gone bad, when they actually haven't, and zeroing with dd didn't fix them like you would think it should.
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1227 [06:25:22] <pingfloyd> so basically you create a new partition table, partition and fs the entire size of the stick and then you can dd images fine to them from there.
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1230 [06:26:55] <foreverska> hmmm gparted is screwing up creating a partition... have to try it by hand
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1233 [06:28:06] <pingfloyd> foreverska: you can ignore those errors
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1235 [06:28:44] <pingfloyd> foreverska: see the comment here replaced-url
1236 [06:29:14] <foreverska> the issue comes when mkfs can't find sdf1
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1269 [06:56:23] <foreverska> My work laptop is doing it correctly so there's something wrong with my desktop
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1279 [07:01:28] <jelly> foreverska: what does "blockdev --getsize64 /dev/sdf" say?
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1285 [07:02:47] <veek> how do i set locale for firefox Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library su - veek -c "LC_ALL=zh_cn.gbk /usr/local/firefox/firefox"
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1287 [07:02:56] <foreverska> `blockdev: ioctl error on BLKGETSIZE64: Inappropriate ioctl for device`
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1291 [07:05:38] <jelly> whut
1292 [07:06:07] <jelly> that's _with_ the sd card in the reader, right?
1293 [07:06:35] <foreverska> actually I unplugged it and put a USB drive in it's place. It also took the name sdf
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1298 [07:08:01] <foreverska> I just plugged in an SD card with partitions and sdf1 and sdf2 return sizes
1299 [07:08:06] <foreverska> but not sdf itself
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1301 [07:08:42] <jelly> that's unexpected
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1306 [07:10:13] <jelly> foreverska: and cat /sys/block/sdf/size ?
1307 [07:11:01] <foreverska> `15523840`
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1312 [07:11:53] <jelly> that's probably in 512B sectors, so "8GB" more or less
1313 [07:12:12] <foreverska> Yea, that'd be correct for this card
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1317 [07:15:44] <Hink> I can't seem to install the dante-server package on Debian Wheezy.
1318 [07:16:07] <Hink> replaced-url
1319 [07:16:09] <foreverska> I'm going to have to let this demon fester for the time. Next time I have to do a DD if it's still acting up I'll do a restart
1320 [07:16:41] <jelly> Hink: how does the installation fail?
1321 [07:16:44] <jelly> !bat
1322 [07:16:45] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1323 [07:17:38] <Hink> foreverska, it's unable to find the software package.
1324 [07:17:47] <Hink> E: Unable to locate package dante-server
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1327 [07:19:12] <jelly> ,v dante-server
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1329 [07:19:13] <judd> Package: dante-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.19.dfsg-3+b3; stretch: 1.4.1+dfsg-2+b1; sid: 1.4.1+dfsg-2+b1
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1331 [07:19:37] <jelly> Hink: verify your sources.list is correct for wheezy, and do an "apt-get update"
1332 [07:19:41] <jelly> !wheezy sources.list
1333 [07:19:41] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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1336 [07:20:13] <Hink> deb replaced-url
1337 [07:20:13] <Hink> deb replaced-url
1338 [07:20:13] <Hink> deb replaced-url
1339 [07:20:20] <Hink> That's what it contains for me.
1340 [07:20:38] <jelly> Hink: "jessie" is not "wheezy"
1341 [07:20:38] <Geom`> are those oob repos?
1342 [07:20:47] <Hink> Oops did I say wheezy
1343 [07:20:50] <Hink> I meant Jessie
1344 [07:21:09] <jelly> well then, as judd says above, there's no dante-server in jessie
1345 [07:21:32] <Hink> Okay, can I still access the server packages in Debian 7 somehow?
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1347 [07:22:14] <jelly> you can try to add the wheezy sources back and install it, but there's probably a reason why it was not included in jessie
1348 [07:22:30] <jelly> Geom`: oob?
1349 [07:23:00] <Geom`> out of the box
1350 [07:23:02] <Hink> jelly, Should I append the 3 lines for wheezy or replace my 3 temporarily?
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1352 [07:23:25] <jelly> add them, do not remove your jessie lines.
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1355 [07:24:31] <jelly> Geom: pretty much (but one can pick a different mirror in the installer)
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1358 [07:27:22] <jelly> Hink: then again, there's a real reason why the package had been considered too buggy for jessie release that may affect you. Proceed with caution.
1359 [07:27:58] <Hink> jelly, I will proceed at my own risk, thanks though for the help jelly.
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1361 [07:28:43] <Geom> jelly, do you know of a multimedia repo except deb-multimedia.org?
1362 [07:29:03] <themill> Geom: about about ftp.debian.org?
1363 [07:29:15] <jelly> Geom: no, why do you ask?
1364 [07:29:38] <Geom> coz i need some old stuff that can be found in -deb-multimedia
1365 [07:29:46] <jelly> which stuff?
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1367 [07:30:27] <Geom> im still on wheeze. handbrake-cli no longer supported
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1370 [07:32:03] <rocketmagnet> hi all, i've troubles installing libgew-dev on my debian xian (i get unresolved objects and i have no idea how to solve them) !! can someone point me in the right direction so i understand how i get things wokings ?????
1371 [07:32:36] <rocketmagnet> i get this problem ofter so i wanto to understand how to solve such issues
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1374 [07:33:15] <rocketmagnet> my sources.list is only deb replaced-url
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1376 [07:33:18] <jelly> Geom: there seems to be a build in wheezy-backports
1377 [07:33:18] <rocketmagnet> deb-src replaced-url
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1379 [07:34:00] <jelly> rocketmagnet: those look like ubuntu sources.
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1381 [07:34:13] <rocketmagnet> i'm using ubuntu
1382 [07:34:22] <jelly> rocketmagnet: then you need to ask in #ubuntu
1383 [07:34:28] <rocketmagnet> k
1384 [07:34:38] <Geom> jelly, there is. but the problem is, it lacks dependencies support. it wont install
1385 [07:35:44] <themill> Geom: handbrake-cli is already in debian. If deb-multimedia.org has broken dependencies, all we're going to do is shrug our shoulders...
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1387 [07:36:43] <jelly> Geom: that sometimes happens. Do you have a correct set of sources for wheezy and wheezy-backports, and you can't install using -t wheezy-backports?
1388 [07:37:04] <jelly> dpkg, tell Geom about basic apt troubleshooting
1389 [07:37:28] <jelly> if so, please provide the info dpkg requested
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1391 [07:37:51] <Geom> -t wont.. ild try dpkg instead
1392 [07:38:29] <themill> Geom: it's a lot easier to help you if you provide the requested information
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1398 [07:40:42] <veek> how do i set locale for firefox Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library su - veek -c "LC_ALL=zh_cn.gbk /usr/local/firefox/firefox"
1399 [07:40:43] <Geom> il provide info after doing dpkg
1400 [07:40:54] <Geom> thanks everyone.. later
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1409 [07:44:45] <jim> maybe you need to get more locales...
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1413 [07:46:15] <jelly> veek: are you positive "zh_cn.gbk" is a valid locale name? Case is important there.
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1418 [07:47:46] <Illumitardi> anyone know or have links to valid docsis 3.0 cable modem acceptable signal and power levels?
1419 [07:47:55] <veek> jelly ah, yes fixed that but it still deson't work.. i'm trying to run fcitx
1420 [07:48:40] <veek> jelly thanks though.. just fixed that
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1422 [07:49:38] <veek> zh_CN
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1424 [07:50:08] <jelly> or zh_CN.GBK if that's the encoding you wanted
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1427 [07:50:50] <jelly> veek: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as root and see what's available in the chinese locales
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1438 [07:54:50] <raidghost> Good morning. HAving some issues with libvirtd. Every 2 hours the computer that runs inside qemu loosing network. We dont know why. And NOThing been said in the logfile
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1440 [07:55:06] <veek> ah stupid me! i have to run fcitx as the su - user!
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1443 [07:55:40] <raidghost> veek: How`s your day?
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1495 [08:24:52] <ImQ009> Hello. It would appear that I'm completely unable to use ssh as non-root. I only get a "No user found with uid ..."
1496 [08:25:00] <ImQ009> Any assistance, please?
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1498 [08:26:56] <suboptimal90> permissions on your user's ssh keys okay?
1499 [08:27:24] <jelly> ImQ009: what's your username and what does "id -a yourusernamehere" say?
1500 [08:27:48] <ImQ009> uid=13020(S.Blauciak) gid=10000(adb) groups=10000(adb),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),27(sudo),29(audio),46(plugdev),103(crontab),108(lpadmin),111(ssh),124(sambashare)
1501 [08:27:54] <ImQ009> S.Blauciak is my username
1502 [08:28:19] <jelly> ImQ009: I'm not sure a literal dot in the username is legal
1503 [08:28:33] <jelly> some apps use it to delimit user from group
1504 [08:28:33] <ImQ009> I'm sure it is, it works on other stations
1505 [08:28:46] <ImQ009> Though with other accounts of course
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1507 [08:29:27] <jelly> ImQ009: which debian release is this and where are users and groups stored?
1508 [08:29:39] <jelly> ImQ009: "getent passwd s.blauciak"
1509 [08:29:50] <ImQ009> It's Ubuntu, about precise Debian version, let me see
1510 [08:30:13] <jelly> if your system is ubuntu you'll have to ask in #ubuntu channel
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1512 [08:30:46] <ImQ009> Hm, alright then
1513 [08:30:49] <ImQ009> Thanks anyway
1514 [08:30:55] <jelly> if you can reproduce the same issue on an actual debian install, you can ask here
1515 [08:31:32] <jelly> (I don't have a reference, but I'm not sure either uppercase or dots are legal in user or group names)
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1613 [09:16:16] <noqnio1> Hello. After the latest upgrade of the nvidia drivers im having hard freezes when playing multimedia files, regardless of the application. Anyone experiencing the same? (stable)
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1641 [09:21:30] <pingfloyd> meldron: is the nouveau kernel module blacklisted?
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1644 [09:23:18] <nfsiv> good day all, is there anyone knows how can i install php5.4.x by apt-get?
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1655 [09:27:38] <nfsiv> good day all, is there anyone knows how can i install php5.4.x by apt-get? i tried add some ppa repository from lunchpad, but seems like the php5.4.x was removed.
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1663 [09:28:44] <tdn> After doing an apt-get upgrade earlier, a new kernel version was installed and thus grub needed to be updated. I got this dialog during configuration of packages: replaced-url
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1667 [09:31:48] <pingfloyd> tdn: I think your irc client truncated your message
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1669 [09:32:32] <ransur0t> meldron: stop update-manager-gnome service from loading using sysv-rc-conf
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1672 [09:34:50] <tdn> pingfloyd, what was the last bit?
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1679 [09:35:51] <tdn> ... Then I get a list of devices to install GRUB on. I chose /dev/sd[ab]. But I also had /dev/md0 and /dev/dm-0. I am now unsure if it is safe to reboot this machine. The machine is (very) remote, so I would like to somehow verify that it will boot before rebooting. How can I do this?
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1694 [09:40:23] <pingfloyd> tdn: the million dollar question is why the uuid changed
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1696 [09:40:32] <tdn> pingfloyd, yeah, I have no idea.
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1698 [09:41:16] <pingfloyd> tdn: are you running with raid?
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1700 [09:41:31] <tdn> pingfloyd, yes
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1702 [09:41:34] <dearfibonacci> hi. anyone had luck with localhost respond cms installation?
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1707 [09:44:07] <nfsiv> good day all, is there anyone knows how can i install php5.4.x by apt-get? i tried add some ppa repository from lunchpad, but seems like the php5.4.x was removed.
1708 [09:45:03] <tdn> pingfloyd, since I have raid using mdadm, should I then install grub on the md device instead of sda and sdb as I did?
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1713 [09:45:48] <naknomik_> debian package php-horde-webmail --- the CKEditor for Horde seems to be busted...
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1729 [09:55:05] <pingfloyd> tdn: replaced-url
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1731 [09:56:23] <tdn> pingfloyd, reading
1732 [09:56:23] <pingfloyd> tdn: anyway, I'm not too sure about your issue as I've never encountered it
1733 [09:57:57] <tdn> pingfloyd, that forum thread contains no info??
1734 [09:58:03] <tdn> pingfloyd, usable at least.
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1736 [09:59:16] <pingfloyd> tdn: there's some commands to find out where grub is currently installed
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1743 [10:01:31] <otyugh> nfsiv: ppa are ubuntu specific, you could ask on #ubuntu for more insight
1744 [10:01:52] <otyugh> ,v php
1745 [10:01:53] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- sid: 1:7.0+44; stretch: 1:7.0+44
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1747 [10:02:11] <meldron> ransur0t: systemctl is telling me there is no such service
1748 [10:02:25] <otyugh> ,v php5
1749 [10:02:26] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u4; jessie: 5.6.20+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.24+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.24+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.24+dfsg-1
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1753 [10:05:24] <nfsiv> Otyugh: thanks, i tried add "deb replaced-url
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1755 [10:05:39] <otyugh> " how can i install php5.4.x by apt-get" > you want the wheezy version ? Then add source of wheezy and try to apt-get build-dep and apt-get -b source, but I'm pretty confident it's not the good path, this would be a package mess.
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1757 [10:06:03] <otyugh> I'm not experienced in downgrading packages
1758 [10:06:24] <otyugh> but guess compiling yourself it the way there
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1760 [10:06:35] <otyugh> althought it may break stuff
1761 [10:06:38] <nfsiv> then apt-get php5=5.4.45-0+deb7u2, seems like installed but php5 -v or php -v says no such file
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1778 [10:18:32] <tdn> pingfloyd, well, as I understand it, what I need is do know what MBR will actually be used to boot up the machine when I reboot it.
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1780 [10:18:56] <tdn> pingfloyd, I figure there are some general rules for this, as it should be OS independent. Isn't this done by the BIOS?
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1782 [10:19:21] <tdn> pingfloyd, when I know where the BIOS will try to load a boot loader from - this is where I need to install GRUB, no?
1783 [10:20:20] <pingfloyd> tdn: that's usually how it works
1784 [10:20:56] <tdn> pingfloyd, so if there is only one disk in a machine, I figure this is easy: just install grub on MBR on /dev/sda, right?
1785 [10:20:59] <pingfloyd> tdn: chances are the ones it selected will work fine, but I can't be sure
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1787 [10:21:11] <pingfloyd> tdn: I think it's more that the debconf for grub-pc is confused
1788 [10:21:21] <tdn> pingfloyd, but if there are two disks, then what? And what if those two disks are raid?
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1791 [10:21:55] <pingfloyd> raid1?
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1793 [10:22:08] <tdn> pingfloyd, I agree, however, this machine is located approx. 2000 km from here, so I cannot really just do trial and error.
1794 [10:22:11] <tdn> pingfloyd, raid1, yes.
1795 [10:22:19] <pingfloyd> usually for that you install it on both drive's MBRs
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1797 [10:23:10] <pingfloyd> raid doesn't really come into play until later stages after the MBR has been executed
1798 [10:23:33] <tdn> pingfloyd, ok, so I did the right thing to select /dev/sda and /dev/sdb?
1799 [10:24:08] <pingfloyd> that seems right to me
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1805 [10:24:52] <tdn> oK
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1807 [10:25:02] <tdn> I guess I will just have to try and reboot then
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1809 [10:26:05] <pingfloyd> that's usually how it is done
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1816 [10:26:51] <pingfloyd> the only real moment of truth will be when you reboot
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1818 [10:27:48] <tdn> pingfloyd, yeah, crossing my fingers
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1846 [10:35:42] <littlebit> hi people, I have a few questions concerning the inner logic of how does debian assign the device files to harddisks. I have installed debian on my system with 1 harddisk at the beginning. Later I added another harddisk to my system and noticed that the harddrive on which I have installed my os on /dev/sda is now designated as /dev/sdb. Why is that so?
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1852 [10:37:27] <jelly> littlebit: sd* devices are assigned asynchronously, as the controllers and drives respond
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1856 [10:38:46] <jelly> littlebit: do not rely on their order. If you need to address a specific device, use links in /dev/disk/by-id/ or some other link farm under /dev/disk/
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1860 [10:39:22] <littlebit> jelly: you mean that when the os calls out to the harddirves, /dev/sda gets assigned to the harddrive that answers that call first?
1861 [10:39:27] <jelly> yes
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1864 [10:40:11] <jelly> this often correlates with physical ports they're attached to, but not always
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1869 [10:41:18] <jelly> if these are eg. SATA devices, you can try switching up their sata ports (or cable ends) and see what happens
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1886 [10:46:49] <afx_> Hello ! Can anyone suggest any alternatives to dropbox?
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1894 [10:48:28] <cyris212> afx_: How about replaced-url
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1896 [10:49:24] <afx_> cyris212, will check that
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1902 [10:52:29] <jemadux> gpg works on sid ?
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1905 [10:54:23] <jelly> jemadux: if it doesn't, look at the bts?
1906 [10:54:41] <jemadux> bts?
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1917 [10:59:30] <meowshwitz> jemadux: it does for me
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1927 [11:02:08] <jemadux> meowshwitz, what command do you use ?
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1931 [11:02:37] <ransur0t> afx_: google drive?
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1935 [11:03:40] <littlebit> jelly: ok thank you. I'm doing my first RAID1 with mdadm with the help of this link: replaced-url
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1937 [11:03:57] <jemadux> meowshwitz i cant generate new key
1938 [11:03:58] <afx_> ransur0t, would like a client too , so that my files get synced automatically when changed
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1946 [11:05:39] <ransur0t> yeah, google is a little slow to release linux client ... although doesn't nautilus offer some type of sync function via linking to the web app of google drive?
1947 [11:05:46] <littlebit> I'm doing my first RAID1 with mdadm with the help of this link: replaced-url
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1950 [11:06:26] <jemadux> gpg agent_genkey failed no such file or directory
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1952 [11:06:54] <afx_> ransur0t, found this for dropbox , but not google drie
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1954 [11:06:57] <afx_> drive*
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1961 [11:08:42] <anonrate> The folder /usr/local By default on a fresh install, does it actually contain anything?
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1965 [11:12:34] <meowshwitz> anonrate: standard empty dirs
1966 [11:13:29] <anonrate> Thank, I asked ebcause I compiled tar and I thought the default directoy that it installs to would replace the previous version, but I was wrong. So now I just wanted to make sure I didn't have any left over folders or files after uninstalling it.
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1973 [11:17:03] <afx_> Anyone uses spideroak?
1974 [11:17:26] <petemc> i have done, and know some poeple that still do - its fairly well regarded
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1980 [11:18:28] <anonrate> I just did something really stupid...
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1982 [11:18:49] <Flashtek> ran 'init 0' on a remote box ?
1983 [11:18:53] <meowshwitz> anonrate: rm -rf what?
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1986 [11:19:07] <littlebit> hi, I'm doing my first RAID1 with mdadm with the help of this link: replaced-url
1987 [11:19:11] <meowshwitz> anonrate: make uninstall etc
1988 [11:19:16] <anonrate> First I configured tar with the prefix of /
1989 [11:19:23] <anonrate> Then I installed it
1990 [11:19:36] <anonrate> Noticed that it made extra shit inside /
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1992 [11:20:03] <anonrate> Once again I thought that just specifiying / as the prefix would make everything else correct such as the location for man and stuff..
1993 [11:20:08] <anonrate> Here is the bad part...
1994 [11:20:13] <anonrate> I uninstalled it..
1995 [11:20:15] <meowshwitz> littlebit: are the disks same size
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1999 [11:20:52] <Flashtek> anonrate: just restore the back
2000 [11:20:54] <Flashtek> *backup
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2002 [11:21:15] <anonrate> How?
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2004 [11:21:30] <anonrate> I have real bad SNS right now. LOL!
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2020 [11:25:58] <littlebit> meowshwitz: yes they are
2021 [11:26:04] <littlebit> 250 GB
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2023 [11:26:33] <meowshwitz> and sfdisk -d xxx | sfdisk xxx returns errors?
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2025 [11:27:02] <meowshwitz> is your original partition table valid?
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2028 [11:28:32] <littlebit> meowshwitz: the original partition table is a freshly installed debian, don't know that cannot be valid on?
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2031 [11:29:03] <meowshwitz> littlebit: er, odd, but if the tables compare exactly no harm
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2036 [11:29:59] <anonrate> Is there a way to check when a folder was created?
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2038 [11:30:24] <mbe> ls -l will show you
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2040 [11:30:32] <anonrate> Thank you.
2041 [11:30:55] <anonrate> That's modification date, no?
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2043 [11:31:29] <mbe> sorry, yes thats right
2044 [11:31:40] <anonrate> I am honestly going crazy right now.
2045 [11:31:47] <meowshwitz> anonrate: stat(1)
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2047 [11:32:05] <anonrate> My OCD is saying reinstall Debian..
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2049 [11:32:11] <meowshwitz> there isn't a creation date per se
2050 [11:32:16] <meowshwitz> anonrate: if this is a fresh box, then why not
2051 [11:32:25] <mbe> replaced-url
2052 [11:32:31] <anonrate> Because it' snot exactly.
2053 [11:32:33] <meowshwitz> anonrate: otherwise install the same package to /tmp/whatever
2054 [11:32:45] <meowshwitz> and then delete whatever it installs from /
2055 [11:33:01] <anonrate> I don't know if these folders are supposed to be there or not or I would do that.
2056 [11:33:07] <anonrate> Now there is a share folder in /
2057 [11:33:29] <meowshwitz> anonrate: share/ lives under /usr, you can wipe the one in /
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2059 [11:34:10] <anonrate> What about libexxec?
2060 [11:34:16] <meowshwitz> also
2061 [11:34:33] <meowshwitz> it probably dropped some trash to /bin, /sbin and /etc
2062 [11:34:38] <meowshwitz> maybe /var
2063 [11:34:45] <meowshwitz> but it's not harmless, just dirty
2064 [11:34:51] <meowshwitz> but you learned a valuable lesson
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2066 [11:35:06] <anonrate> Yes I did. SNS and OCD Don't match..
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2068 [11:35:56] <anonrate> I wanna reinstall everything..
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2070 [11:37:34] <anonrate> Shoot me...
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2072 [11:39:38] <anonrate> Frig IT! I'm reinstalling everything.
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2098 [11:51:58] <DeaDSouL> Hi, I followed this guide replaced-url
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2100 [11:52:44] <DeaDSouL> btw, it's a fresh minimal debian installation, and a brand new harddrive
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2104 [11:57:14] <Flashtek> I want to set a kernel module parameter on boot... AIUI I should add this to /etc/modprobe.d/blah.conf right ?
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2120 [12:03:37] <SynrGy> Flashtek: if the module is loaded early in boot, i think you also need to update your initramfs.
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2148 [12:15:19] <innerand> Hello, what builds the final config from the fragmented config files in the foo.d directory? Where can I find the final config?
2149 [12:15:41] <Flashtek> SynrGy: the module in question is a NIC driver (e1000e) so I am assuming this is loaded 'later' in boot
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2153 [12:16:29] <themill> innerand: that depends -- many programs don't need that step
2154 [12:16:42] <SynrGy> innerand: context?
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2158 [12:17:50] <innerand> SynrGy: I would like to see the final config used by amavisd-new
2159 [12:17:51] <SynrGy> innerand: and in most cases i've seen there is no 'builds the final config'. rather, the files in the directory are all read directly
2160 [12:17:54] <Flashtek> SynrGy: I have tried to set "options e1000e InterruptThrottleRate=5000,5000" and it's still loading the default
2161 [12:18:29] <Flashtek> innerand: from personal experience "cat *" will result in the config used
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2168 [12:21:05] <innerand> okay, thank you Flashtek and SynrGy
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2175 [12:23:46] <DoctorD90> it is possible boot a debian livecd from network?
2176 [12:24:02] <Flashtek> innerand: In the past I've had to be sneaky about naming files in .d dirs so they get processed in a specific order
2177 [12:24:10] <Flashtek> DoctorD90: I see no reason why not...
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2179 [12:25:05] <DoctorD90> Flashtek, may I ask you any guide or how to? ... im looking in grub, but im not so luckly...(or maybe im searching bad on google))
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2182 [12:25:37] <Flashtek> it's been a long time since I had need... I used a howto on the debian site IIRC
2183 [12:25:39] <jelly> innerand: note that the service as provided in debian 8 reads from two directories by default. @config_files = Amavis::Util::find_config_files('/usr/share/amavis/conf.d', '/etc/amavis/conf.d');
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2188 [12:26:05] <xendon> DoctorD90 replaced-url
2189 [12:26:18] <DoctorD90> Flashtek, .... xendon thx you!
2190 [12:26:32] <xendon> DoctorD90: you can just put the livecd in.
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2193 [12:27:16] <DoctorD90> xendon, what do you mean? boot normally from livecd on cdrom? nono...im looking for a network image shared configuration :)
2194 [12:27:29] <DoctorD90> boot many pc fro 1 single livecd on network :)
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2196 [12:27:40] <Flashtek> PXE booting
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2200 [12:28:04] <DoctorD90> "exactly" :P
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2202 [12:28:21] <DoctorD90> but I could not be able to find that debian wiki page lol
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2204 [12:29:17] <SynrG> Flashtek: sorry. crash here. back. missed anything from 10m ago to when i rejoined here.
2205 [12:29:18] <Flashtek> replaced-url
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2207 [12:29:32] <Flashtek> SynrGy: I have tried to set "options e1000e InterruptThrottleRate=5000,5000" and it's still loading the default
2208 [12:29:48] <SynrG> there's some command that shows what options were used when the module was loaded, i believe
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2210 [12:30:23] <SynrG> modinfo
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2212 [12:30:47] <Flashtek> modinfo shows what it will support... doesn't seem to list what was loaded though
2213 [12:30:55] <DoctorD90> thx guys! as always ^_^
2214 [12:30:58] <xendon> DokctorD90 you will need an working DHCP to configure all required options and you will need an TFTP Server as well. The guild i've send you is about installing debian. If you want an Desktop/LiveCD you just replace the imange with is specified
2215 [12:31:13] <SynrG> gotcha
2216 [12:31:31] <SynrG> i thought there was some way to inspect the loaded module's params
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2219 [12:32:17] <Flashtek> SynrG: that would actually be helpful... I can see in syslog that it's loading, but using the default settings
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2221 [12:32:57] <SynrG> replaced-url
2222 [12:34:19] <Flashtek> systool might work...
2223 [12:34:21] <Flashtek> thanks
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2225 [12:34:53] <Flashtek> if it were installed that is...
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2227 [12:36:45] <SynrG> Flashtek: but the little script in the first answer seemed to produce some results for me ...
2228 [12:36:54] <SynrG> Flashtek: and that requires nothing else to be installed
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2230 [12:37:29] <Flashtek> yeah, checked that. the module parameters aren't being honoured
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2232 [12:37:45] <SynrG> so you're sure it's loaded in late boot?
2233 [12:38:00] * Flashtek shrugs
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2235 [12:38:28] <SynrG> i'd expect the kernel to autoconfigure the network if it can because that can be useful
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2237 [12:38:53] <Flashtek> hmm..
2238 [12:39:05] <Flashtek> it used to work just fine from modprobe.conf
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2246 [12:42:14] <SynrG> maybe the initramfs was regenerated in that case? did you regenerate the initramfs since you made the change?
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2249 [12:42:59] <SynrG> i haven't looked at an initrd image lately (i forget the magic spell to extract one) but perhaps it includes the whole modprobe.d?
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2256 [12:45:54] <SynrG> not sure if MODULES=most (the default) sucks in network stuff or not. the comment above it says "Add most filesystem and all harddrive drivers." but is not specific (there are, after all, networked filesystems ...)
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2258 [12:46:19] <SynrG> that is, if you use the default MODULES=most. what do you have for that in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf?
2259 [12:46:37] <SynrG> MODULES=netboot says it adds network modules
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2262 [12:47:53] <DoctorD90> xendon, Flashtek may I try pxebootdebian guide trougth virtualbox belong to you?
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2264 [12:48:29] <Flashtek> ?
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2269 [12:50:36] <DoctorD90> i mean, to try these steps, described on wiki, is possible use virtual box belong to you?
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2276 [12:55:08] <Flashtek> DoctorD90: you want to use a VirtualBox system as the PXE server ?
2277 [12:55:33] <SynrG> DoctorD90: english not your mother tongue? could not parse "... belong to you"
2278 [12:55:46] <DoctorD90> Flashtek, yes, but just to test the guide, not "in real life". Just to first setup to understand how it works :)
2279 [12:56:03] <Flashtek> DoctorD90: probably
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2282 [12:56:48] <DoctorD90> SynrG, italian....and belong to you doesnt exist? 0o ....and how may I say in english "according to you"?
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2285 [12:57:33] <SynrG> ah, "according to you" makes more sense :)
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2289 [12:58:04] <DoctorD90> Flashtek, but from what I have understood, I have to download a pxeboot file from debian official server. If i would like to not use official ISO, but modded one?
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2291 [12:58:19] <DoctorD90> SynrG, ok...i will use that one from now on :) thx
2292 [12:58:43] <blastwave> I have built and am running Linux 4.7.0 kernel very nicely with Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller. Resolution is fine at 1920x1080. When I boot linux 4.7.2 kernel the resolution drops to 1280x1024 with no option to change resolution. Attempts to run Xorg -configure in single user mode just returns "Number of created screens does not match number of detected ..." config fails . A
2293 [12:58:43] <blastwave> ny thoughts?
2294 [12:59:28] <blastwave> Also Xorg -configure fails for kernel 4.7.0 also
2295 [12:59:44] <blastwave> yes .. I am way outside of the debian kernel package here and know it
2296 [13:00:00] <otyugh> ,v kenerl
2297 [13:00:02] <judd> No package named 'kenerl' was found in amd64.
2298 [13:00:05] <otyugh> fail o/
2299 [13:00:28] <Flashtek> AHA
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2301 [13:00:42] <tremon> blastwave: any mentions of missing firmware in dmesg? not sure what generation your processor is, but Intel's latest gpus require firmware
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2304 [13:01:17] <blastwave> tremon, this is an older thin client desktop unit from "Shuttle" and nothing new here at all
2305 [13:01:45] <blastwave> tremon, however .. I shall look into dmesg .. which has a LOT of traffic because of various kernel features I compiled in
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2308 [13:02:24] <tremon> also, what do you mean with "resolution is fine at 1920x1080"? did this work with a previous kernel version?
2309 [13:02:38] <SynrG> Flashtek: aha?
2310 [13:02:39] <otyugh> guess you forgot to add some feature about gpu support ;..;
2311 [13:02:40] <blastwave> tremon, in fact .. I am using the machine right now. wonderful little thin client with a tiny atom processor in it and is super stable.
2312 [13:03:02] <blastwave> tremon, yes .. am running 4.7.0 right now fine
2313 [13:03:18] <blastwave> uname -a says Linux io 4.7.0 #1 SMP Sun Aug 7 20:51:25 EDT 2016 i686 GNU/Linux
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2316 [13:03:48] <blastwave> tremon, what is the pasebin du jour these days ? I have not used ird in a few years
2317 [13:03:54] <blastwave> sorry .. irc in a few years
2318 [13:03:57] <tremon> we prefer paste.debian.net here
2319 [13:04:01] <tremon> so a hand-compiled 4.7.0 works and hand-compiled 4.7.2 does not? can you diff the .configs between the two builds?
2320 [13:04:13] <blastwave> tremon, good thinking
2321 [13:04:21] <blastwave> most likely a bucket of diffs
2322 [13:04:45] <blastwave> tremon, I tried to remove a lot of the kernel hackary features in the 4.7.2 build
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2327 [13:05:16] <tremon> you may have removed too much
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2329 [13:05:41] <tremon> just a wild guess, did you remove i2c support?
2330 [13:05:54] <tremon> it's needed for querying the supported resolutions of connected monitors
2331 [13:05:56] <blastwave> tremon, see replaced-url
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2333 [13:06:09] <blastwave> tremon, nope .. I wouldn't touch that one
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2336 [13:06:39] <Flashtek> ha..
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2338 [13:07:01] <Flashtek> SynrG: updated /etc/modprobe.d file, then re-ran mkinitramfs, rebooted
2339 [13:07:10] <Flashtek> it now loads with required parameters
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2341 [13:07:13] <SynrG> yes!
2342 [13:07:16] <Flashtek> seems it's loaded in early boot
2343 [13:07:20] <SynrG> glad my hunch worked
2344 [13:07:32] <Flashtek> good call
2345 [13:07:33] <SynrG> if it hadn't, i was fresh out of ideas :)
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2348 [13:07:52] <tremon> blastwave: don't see any obvious missing kernel options in that diff. To be sure, you could try rebuilding 4.7.0 with the new config
2349 [13:08:02] <blastwave> tremon, so the only real diff here is the removal of a bucket of kernel trace features where this 4.7.0 kernel is pretty slow .. in fact the whole machine feels a tad sluggish but otherwise works great
2350 [13:08:15] <SynrG> well, off to work. later, folks
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2352 [13:08:22] <Flashtek> ttfn
2353 [13:08:45] <blastwave> tremon, or rebuild 4.7.2 with the exact same config as 4.7.0 with all the kernel trace and kobject noise and other bits enabled and see what happens
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2355 [13:09:09] <blastwave> tremon, however I was surprised that Xorg -configure fails in single user mode regardless of the kernel rev
2356 [13:09:45] <blastwave> thus --> replaced-url
2357 [13:10:06] <tremon> can you paste the most recent /var/log/Xorg.*.log, and if possible a log file from 4.7.0 too? the output of xrandr --verbose under both kernels could be helpful too
2358 [13:10:25] <blastwave> tremon, cool .. looks like I will be rebooting a bit ..
2359 [13:10:33] <jelly> ,kernels
2360 [13:10:35] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
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2363 [13:11:04] <jelly> blastwave: also try 4.7.0-1-686 from sid instead of your own
2364 [13:11:23] <blastwave> jelly, well that removes the fun now doesn't it ? :-)
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2366 [13:11:40] <blastwave> jelly, also .. I have no clue how to use a package from sid
2367 [13:11:56] <blastwave> cat /etc/debian_version says 8.5 btw
2368 [13:12:01] <jelly> you of all people should appreciate saving time using prebuilt binaries :-)
2369 [13:12:08] <blastwave> ha ha
2370 [13:12:16] <blastwave> guess I still have a name for that
2371 [13:12:23] <blastwave> hey .. I build stuff from sources !
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2373 [13:12:53] <jelly> you can get it from packages.debian.org I guess
2374 [13:13:10] <blastwave> however ever since the great frack blowup of 2010 and the kill of OpenSolaris and other works .. well I lost my desire for it .. a bit
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2376 [13:13:15] <jelly> let me VERY CAREFULLY add sid deb line and see what happens on a 32bit system
2377 [13:13:30] <blastwave> jelly, go forth with phasers on stun
2378 [13:13:31] <jelly> if I can find a 32bit system
2379 [13:13:46] <blastwave> jelly, yeah .. this is a cool little desktop that I just had to play with
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2381 [13:13:55] <blastwave> was surprised how well it runs
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2384 [13:14:09] <veek> is there a way to verify installed file hashes against a server
2385 [13:14:26] <blastwave> veek, do you mean sha256 hashes ?
2386 [13:14:32] <veek> yeah
2387 [13:14:55] <blastwave> veek, hrmmm .. I didn't know there was a sha256 manifest catalog for each package but it certainly makes sense
2388 [13:15:03] <jelly> veek: "debsums" but it may not detect all issues (checksums are not mandatory and some packages do not ship them)
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2390 [13:15:16] * blastwave thinks 'figures'
2391 [13:15:22] <veek> ah i ran debsums but it verifies against a local copy
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2393 [13:15:29] <jelly> yes.
2394 [13:16:27] <blastwave> jelly, that was a feature I had built into all the blastwave packages and then enforced in the Oracle new pkg system beefore all hell broke loose .. that was back in the days when Ian Murdock was still with us .. a sad loss
2395 [13:16:42] <jelly> blastwave: well, seems that might work
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2397 [13:16:57] <jelly> apt-get -s install linux-image-4.7.0-1-686 # doesn't install anything else from sid
2398 [13:17:04] <blastwave> hrmmm
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2400 [13:17:19] <blastwave> jelly, not surprise here really
2401 [13:17:29] <jelly> likewise with linux-image-4.7.0-1-686-unsigned
2402 [13:17:39] <jelly> don't ask me about the difference
2403 [13:17:50] <blastwave> in truth I am building the intel drivers and modules and was just, well, surprised where the resolution changed on the exact same hardware
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2405 [13:18:03] <blastwave> jelly, hey .. I'll figure it out .. its what I do
2406 [13:18:26] <JyZyXEL> yesterday i tried to build the debianized version of 4.7.2 on jessie, but couldn't because it had a requirement for gcc-5
2407 [13:18:29] <jelly> if it's a recent cpu/gpu (2015+) you may need xserver-xorg-video-intel from jessie-backports
2408 [13:18:43] <JyZyXEL> its weird because the vanilla 4.7.2 does compile without that requirement
2409 [13:18:47] <blastwave> jelly, no .. this thing is old
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2411 [13:18:59] <blastwave> jelly, had to blow the dust out of it just to get it to work on day one
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2413 [13:19:09] <jelly> blastwave: oh, then you shouldn't need either 4.7 or new(er) drivers
2414 [13:19:16] <blastwave> by the way .. Xorg log --> replaced-url
2415 [13:19:19] <jelly> but who knows with atoms
2416 [13:19:41] <blastwave> jelly, well I just build the new kernel and often beta bits on a number of systems for various test reasons
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2425 [13:22:36] <blastwave> jelly, actually am working on a memory issue that may still yet exist in the prod kernel version replaced-url
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2428 [13:24:00] <jelly> blastwave: that Xorg log looks like 1920x1080 was read from EDID and worked?
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2431 [13:25:12] <mrtnt> I saw a following entry in a file under /etc/cron.d "12 10 25 * * /usr/lib/bin/blah". Is the user column(sixth column) optional?
2432 [13:25:13] <blastwave> jelly, works great on 4.7.0
2433 [13:25:23] <jelly> JyZyXEL: I guess you can munge the build dependencies manually, or wait for jessie-backports
2434 [13:25:27] <blastwave> jelly, exact same hardware and it does not work with 4.7.2
2435 [13:25:35] <jelly> ah.
2436 [13:25:42] <blastwave> yep .. see ?
2437 [13:25:49] <blastwave> its .. a sneaky little bug here
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2439 [13:25:56] <jelly> *shrug*
2440 [13:25:59] <blastwave> jelly, yep
2441 [13:25:59] <JyZyXEL> jelly: i just built and installed the vanilla 4.7.2 instead
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2443 [13:26:26] <jelly> JyZyXEL: now that upstream has "make deb-pkg" you can even have packages easily
2444 [13:26:30] <blastwave> so it may be an interface issue in the intel atom driver code and therein lay the rabbit hole to dig down
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2447 [13:26:46] <blastwave> but I was wondering why even Xorg -configure fails on 4.7.0
2448 [13:26:55] <JyZyXEL> jelly: yeah, it just takes a really long time even with a good CPU
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2450 [13:27:22] <JyZyXEL> something about the dpkg creating those .deb packages at the end is really slow
2451 [13:27:29] <blastwave> JyZyXEL, just imagine with a 32-bit atom processor at 1.6GHz and 1G of memory
2452 [13:27:36] <JyZyXEL> compilation goes pretty fast with -j8
2453 [13:27:59] <JyZyXEL> blastwave: haha, you might as well call it a day after hitting enter :P
2454 [13:28:18] <Flashtek> JyZyXEL: even quicker with -j24
2455 [13:28:24] <JyZyXEL> luckyyy
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2457 [13:28:26] <blastwave> JyZyXEL, think 30 hours
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2460 [13:29:19] <blastwave> JyZyXEL, so I generally run /usr/bin/nice -n +19 /usr/bin/time -p /usr/local/bin/gmake and then leave for the day
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2463 [13:30:24] <JyZyXEL> blastwave: ever consider using another machine for building? :P
2464 [13:30:36] <blastwave> JyZyXEL, well that would just be cheating
2465 [13:30:41] <JyZyXEL> my Haswell-desktop did the job in 45 minutes
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2467 [13:30:52] <blastwave> JyZyXEL, but I have a whole farm of systems and they are all doing things ..
2468 [13:31:03] <blastwave> 45 minutes ? whoa
2469 [13:31:06] <JyZyXEL> meanwhile i was using the system for desktop activities
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2472 [13:31:52] <jelly> debian's .config has everything and then some
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2475 [13:32:20] <blastwave> jelly, yes .. it is a bit damn thicj
2476 [13:32:25] <blastwave> jelly, yes .. it is a bit damn thick
2477 [13:32:34] <JyZyXEL> there was a gotcha when using debians .config though. i needed to comment out the "CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS"
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2481 [13:32:45] <blastwave> JyZyXEL, I do have access to one of these however : replaced-url
2482 [13:32:53] <JyZyXEL> because it points to "debian/certs/..."
2483 [13:33:10] <blastwave> JyZyXEL, 1024 cores at 4.1GHz and 2TB of memory
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2485 [13:33:56] <blastwave> JyZyXEL, sort of obscene really .. but I use a think client desktop with an Intel Atom and Debian .. in fact I live in front of Debian
2486 [13:35:46] <JyZyXEL> debian is the only thing left in my life
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2488 [13:36:25] <blastwave> JyZyXEL, sadly I have to deal with a wide array of systems .. but Debian has been my desktop of choice and os for .. a decade
2489 [13:36:42] <blastwave> actually .. no .. I ran RedHat zoot a long long time ago
2490 [13:36:45] <blastwave> that was the 90's
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2499 [13:40:22] <txp> hey guys, I'm trying to install a minimal headless version of libreoffice on a server running debian stable. Some other distros have a libreoffice-headless package. I read in this thread ( replaced-url
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2502 [13:41:00] <stoned> yeah
2503 [13:41:04] <stoned> Why are you putting OO on a server?
2504 [13:41:16] <stoned> Good morning btw, 5am is cold.
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2508 [13:43:06] * blastwave thinks "it is 5AM somewhere .. let me see .. California?"
2509 [13:43:19] <stoned> txp: why office on a server?
2510 [13:43:54] <txp> stoned: we are using a commercial "digital workplace" software which needs openoffice/libreoffice for PDF generation
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2513 [13:44:29] <blastwave> txp, don't expect blazing performance from that
2514 [13:44:40] <txp> stoned: I know its kind of overkill, but sadly there is no other way
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2516 [13:45:20] <stoned> There are many ways to produce pdf
2517 [13:45:31] <blastwave> txp, there is tcpdf or if you have buckets of money Adobe PDF API
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2520 [13:46:28] <Iridos> txp, only you can know what you need… → apt-cache show libreoffice=1:4.3.3-2+deb8u5|grep Depends:
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2522 [13:46:56] <stoned> txp: what is the input for generating the pdf?
2523 [13:47:01] <txp> stoned, blastwave: yeah, but on the software only supports openoffice for pdf generation - I know its stupid...
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2525 [13:47:07] <stoned> Oh
2526 [13:47:12] <stoned> You're limited by some prop. software?
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2528 [13:47:25] <stoned> Commercial digital workdplace?
2529 [13:47:27] <stoned> what exactly
2530 [13:47:39] * blastwave yep .. been there many times
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2535 [13:48:23] <txp> stoned: intrexx - from a smallish german company (replaced-url
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2537 [13:49:02] <Iridos> txp, might be you only need libreoffice-core; to see, run: apt-file show libreoffice-core |grep -e soffice -e pdf
2538 [13:49:31] <stoned> Oh boy. This stuff giving me a headache.
2539 [13:49:49] <txp> Iridos: ah, that would be better...
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2541 [13:50:31] <stoned> replaced-url
2542 [13:50:47] <stoned> You want to batch convert .doc to .pdf using the command line on a server without a GUI?
2543 [13:50:50] <stoned> ... so forth
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2549 [13:51:50] <stoned> replaced-url
2550 [13:52:02] <stoned> JODConverter, the Java OpenDocument Converter, converts documents between different office formats.
2551 [13:52:04] <stoned> It leverages OpenOffice.org, which provides arguably the best import/export filters for OpenDocument and Microsoft Office formats available today.
2552 [13:52:26] <Iridos> what's the point if they're using some software that wants libreoffice
2553 [13:52:30] <txp> stoned: yep, thats the plan... so we have a kind of a intranet system, and there users should be able to generate pdfs from html content
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2555 [13:52:52] <stoned> txp: they can do this clientside...
2556 [13:52:56] <txp> Iridos: they have some build in converter, which sucks...
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2558 [13:53:00] <stoned> in a browser. Print as PDF
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2560 [13:53:12] <stoned> Save as a pdf file through the print function.
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2564 [13:55:49] <txp> stoned: yeah, thats true, but we have some more complex situations, where pdfs are generated dynamically... It's all in the beginning, but I think the libreoffice solution is the only way to go for us sadly. That being said oooninja looks promising
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2566 [13:56:02] <stoned> Good luck
2567 [13:56:07] <txp> If we can trick intrexx in thinking its talking to OO....
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2569 [13:56:17] <stoned> You pay for support. Ask for it.
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2571 [13:56:35] <stoned> s/ask/Demand/
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2573 [13:57:13] <netzach> Hello
2574 [13:57:29] <netzach> Is update-motd.d part of standard debian?
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2576 [13:57:48] <hanshenrik> what the hell does this mean? replaced-url
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2578 [13:58:00] <txp> stoned: yeah I just wanted to know, if there is a more minimal way to install OO... thanks a lot guys!
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2580 [13:58:03] <netzach> I have googled and havent found the answers. There is no reference to it on any cron job, init service or even in pam-motd.so
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2582 [13:58:16] <stoned> replaced-url
2583 [13:58:37] <hanshenrik> OpenOffice?
2584 [13:58:40] <hanshenrik> OO?
2585 [13:58:52] <Iridos> hanshenrik, what the hell do you think it means
2586 [13:59:11] <netzach> stoned: unfortunately I haven't found anything there, I'll check again
2587 [13:59:12] <hanshenrik> Iridos, i have no idea. broken filesystem?
2588 [13:59:18] <stoned> hanshenrik: ls -l filezilla
2589 [13:59:25] <stoned> hanshenrik: does it have +x
2590 [13:59:27] <stoned> ?
2591 [13:59:27] <Iridos> it means you downloaded some random binary instead of installing the debian package
2592 [13:59:28] <xendon> txp libreoffice is pretty the same.
2593 [13:59:38] <netzach> I guess I haven't paid attention it is explaiend there stoned
2594 [13:59:39] <netzach> than you
2595 [13:59:47] <stoned> np
2596 [13:59:49] <netzach> or maybe read another page, the old version who knows
2597 [13:59:49] <txp> xendon: yes I know
2598 [13:59:57] <hanshenrik> -rwxr-xr-x 1 hanshenrik hanshenrik 11465912 Aug 23 15:21 filezilla
2599 [14:00:00] <Iridos> and either the file doesn't have executable permissions or you're on a 64-bit system without 32bit libraries and this is a random 32bit binary
2600 [14:00:03] <netzach> stoned: so if I understand correctly it's hardcoded?
2601 [14:00:09] <hanshenrik> yes, it has g+r
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2604 [14:00:18] <hanshenrik> err, whatever, it has x
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2606 [14:00:39] <Iridos> so why don't you use the debian package instead… and don't run it as root
2607 [14:00:41] <stoned> netzach: don't run ./
2608 [14:00:44] <stoned> just type filezilla
2609 [14:00:52] <netzach> you probably don't mean me stoned ?
2610 [14:01:13] <stoned> I'm half asleep trying to focus :)
2611 [14:01:18] <stoned> getting confused between people
2612 [14:01:27] <stoned> netzach: no
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2614 [14:01:33] <stoned> sorry
2615 [14:01:45] <netzach> stoned: so is it configurable somewhere?
2616 [14:01:53] <stoned> Wait, what is?
2617 [14:01:56] <netzach> I mean how does pam-motd.so know to start the scripts there?
2618 [14:01:59] <odish> your username also probably has something to do with it :^)
2619 [14:02:09] <netzach> I mean /etc/update-motd.d/ must be hardcoded in pam-motd.so?
2620 [14:02:36] <stoned> "A little less known thing about /etc/motd in Debian and Ubuntu is that pam will actually update your /etc/motd based simply on the scripts in /etc/update-motd.d. So to replicate the above scripts, you could do:"
2621 [14:02:50] <hanshenrik> Iridos, i downloaded the official filezilla release because the debian version is from 2014 and i wanted to try the newest version
2622 [14:02:55] <netzach> yes stoned but I mean it's the code of pam that hardcoded that path I take it?
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2624 [14:03:14] <stoned> Note that this technique is using a patch that is shipped only with Debian and Ubuntu and not factored into upstream PAM. Furthermore, this code has had security issues in the past (CVE-2010-0832, this bug).
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2627 [14:03:36] <stoned> Sure. Seems like debian is patching for itself.
2628 [14:03:44] <netzach> I see stoned , securiy issues related to motd? strange
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2632 [14:05:11] <stoned> hanshenrik: where did you grab the binary from
2633 [14:05:20] <Iridos> judd, versions filezilla
2634 [14:05:22] <judd> Package: filezilla on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5.3-2; wheezy-backports: 3.9.0.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.9.0.5-1; stretch: 3.20.0-1; sid: 3.20.0-1
2635 [14:05:42] <Iridos> judd, checkbackport filezilla
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2637 [14:05:43] <judd> Backporting package filezilla in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libfilezilla-dev (>= 0.6.1), libgnutls28-dev (>= 3.4.0), libpugixml-dev (>= 1.5), nettle-dev (>= 3.1).
2638 [14:06:02] <hanshenrik> stoned, the link provided by replaced-url
2639 [14:06:12] <hanshenrik> wget replaced-url
2640 [14:06:14] <hanshenrik> err wrong
2641 [14:06:22] <hanshenrik> wget replaced-url
2642 [14:06:31] <Iridos> urgh
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2644 [14:06:47] <DeaDSouL> is it safe to use the kernel from jessie-backports ? I'm using jessie 8.5 btw
2645 [14:07:00] <hanshenrik> sourceforge, depending on the "accept" header, will either give you the raw binary, or html blabla if you have "accept text/html~~"
2646 [14:07:10] <hanshenrik> its in tar.bz2 format tho, so i extracted it
2647 [14:07:46] <Iridos> hanshenrik, it's offering me a filezilla with …x86_64… are you on a 32bit system?
2648 [14:08:07] <hanshenrik> no, 64bit debian 8 fully updated, no multiarch.
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2651 [14:08:38] <Iridos> well, but your file showed it's a 32bit binary you have there… it's obvious why you can't run that if you have no multiarch
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2653 [14:09:06] * blastwave must go do that office job stuff
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2655 [14:09:24] <stoned> hanshenrik: did you download the 32bit version for an 64bit os?
2656 [14:09:42] <stoned> root@webdevdebian:~/Desktop/FileZilla3/bin# file filezilla
2657 [14:09:45] <stoned> filezilla: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
2658 [14:09:58] <stoned> You need this: filezilla: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1
2659 [14:10:07] <stoned> You need a 64bit filezilla for 64bit debian
2660 [14:10:14] <jelly> file filezilla zilla?
2661 [14:10:23] <stoned> He pasted the file output
2662 [14:10:25] <stoned> it's 32bit,
2663 [14:10:31] <stoned> He just said he has a 64bit jessie
2664 [14:11:14] <hanshenrik> oh, seems that yeah, i downloaded a 32bit edition on a 64bit sysmtem :( is that supposed to explain why it says "./filezilla: No such file or directory" tho? cus that's a horrible way to say that the binary is not compatible with your arch..
2665 [14:11:41] <Iridos> the file missing is the runtime library
2666 [14:11:44] <stoned> You don't need the latest version. Debian's stable version is fine too
2667 [14:11:54] <stoned> Are there new features in .31 what you direly need?
2668 [14:12:22] <stoned> hanshenrik: it would have worked if yo had multiarch/ia32libs
2669 [14:12:24] <stoned> etc.
2670 [14:12:57] <stoned> DeaDSouL: why do you need the backported kernel?
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2674 [14:13:14] <hanshenrik> well, if the debian repo version support sftp and concurrent multi-connection downloads, then no ^^
2675 [14:13:23] <jelly> DeaDSouL: sure, but it's less tested than the release one
2676 [14:13:23] <stoned> Why wouldn't it?
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2680 [14:13:48] <stoned> DeaDSouL: that's what filezilla does. sft and multiple connections in tabs.
2681 [14:14:01] <veek> dpkg -V --audit is also fairly decent at checking hashes
2682 [14:14:01] <dpkg> veek: what are you talking about?
2683 [14:14:08] <stoned> hey veek
2684 [14:14:10] <veek> err.. lol
2685 [14:14:15] <veek> hey stoned
2686 [14:14:22] <Iridos> hanshenrik, I think you only get that when some extremely basic library like linux-vdso.so.1 or so is missing
2687 [14:14:45] <Iridos> or maybe libc…
2688 [14:14:48] <jelly> Iridos, hanshenrik: the kernel is responsible for that error message, it's the error code from execve() system call
2689 [14:15:32] <Iridos> hm, but then that's a bad message to choose
2690 [14:15:37] <jelly> it makes sense if you know what it does :-)
2691 [14:15:46] <veek> hanshenrik, 32 bit ought to work fine on 64 bit
2692 [14:15:47] <Iridos> well, what does it do
2693 [14:16:31] <veek> ./filezilla implies you are executing in current working dir
2694 [14:16:41] <veek> is filezilla in cwd?
2695 [14:16:48] <stoned> yeah
2696 [14:16:52] <stoned> he wa sin the unpacked bin dir
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2698 [14:17:17] <veek> ah! then it could be compatibility
2699 [14:17:31] <veek> i had asked this once i think on so..
2700 [14:17:39] <jelly> Iridos: <shell> please execute this binary *kernel* thinks hmm... it looks like an ELF binary, good, it wants this 64bit ELF ld.so to run, good, but there's no right ld.so on the file system, bad! <kernel> I tried
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2703 [14:19:14] <Iridos> so… that's basically what I said… happens when some extremely basic runtime library is missing
2704 [14:19:44] <jelly> only if there's correct ld.so (/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2) _already_ installed will you get a different result
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2708 [14:21:37] <jelly> the shell would have to make wild assumptions and interpretations to get a better message
2709 [14:22:07] <Iridos> shell gone wild
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2718 [14:26:37] <DeaDSouL> stoned: sorry bro, i was away.... because I'm using btrfs.. and I'm facing some memory leaks. and I got advised to do so ... that's why I'm wondering if it is safe enough to do it?
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2721 [14:27:28] <DeaDSouL> jelly: but it won't cause any conflicts with future packages, updates ..etc.... right?
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2728 [14:32:19] <DeaDSouL> jelly: which one should I be installing ? 'linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64', 'linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-rt-am' or 'linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64' ?
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2731 [14:33:48] <DeaDSouL> jelly: or `aptitude install linux-image-amd64 -t jessie-backports` and it will take care of the rest ?
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2734 [14:34:17] <DeaDSouL> jelly: sorry, but this is my first time to backport the kernel
2735 [14:34:25] <Iridos> if you don't know what the -rt- and -grsec- ones are, you don't want them
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2740 [14:35:01] <Iridos> specially the latter
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2742 [14:35:11] <DeaDSouL> Iridos: i saw 'security' in grsec ... that's why i wondered?
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2745 [14:35:23] <miesco> ,v bitlbee-purple
2746 [14:35:25] <judd> No package named 'bitlbee-purple' was found in amd64.
2747 [14:35:40] <SynrG> not all that glitters is gold
2748 [14:35:54] <Iridos> DeaDSouL, not sure what you expect me to say to that
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2751 [14:36:28] <SynrG> Iridos: 'secure' is often confused as a synonym for 'better' ;)
2752 [14:36:53] <Iridos> I thought it was a synonym for "uncomfortable"
2753 [14:36:59] <SynrG> heh
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2755 [14:37:14] <Iridos> or in this case, maybe "unusable"
2756 [14:38:22] <DeaDSouL> Iridos: is the normal kernel in backports still get its security updates?
2757 [14:38:39] <SynrG> DeaDSouL: "the most secure system in the world is one with its hard drive demagnetized and buried in a 30 foot hole filled with concrete poured around a Faraday grid"
2758 [14:38:57] <SynrG> grsec kernel is only very slightly more usable than that
2759 [14:39:14] <Iridos> the better question would be: does anything in backports get security updates
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2761 [14:40:37] <SynrG> as per replaced-url
2762 [14:40:41] <DeaDSouL> SynrG: lol. just wanted to know the differences between normal kernel and grsec
2763 [14:40:46] <DeaDSouL> Iridos: do they ?
2764 [14:40:51] <SynrG> "done on a best effort basis by the people who track the package"
2765 [14:41:03] <SynrG> generally the Debian kernel maintainers (who backport the kernel) take security seriously
2766 [14:41:04] <Iridos> look at the faq that SynrG linked
2767 [14:41:20] <SynrG> but it's still "best effort"
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2769 [14:42:12] <jelly> DeaDSouL: grsec kernel has two dozen different features dealing with hardening, prevention of common classes of security issues, some auditing, oh and a RBAC
2770 [14:42:23] <Iridos> DeaDSouL, well, we're not wikipedia… read replaced-url
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2773 [14:42:44] <jelly> Iridos: hey, a week isn't a lot of time!
2774 [14:43:02] <DeaDSouL> great! :(
2775 [14:43:06] <Iridos> jelly, so how many weeks of vacation do you get a year? :)
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2777 [14:43:26] <Iridos> anyway, are you sure you'll be done in a week?
2778 [14:43:34] <jelly> Iridos: paid to play with kernels!
2779 [14:43:41] <zinx> weeks plural? if he's in the US, i think that's a bit optimistic ;)
2780 [14:43:55] <Iridos> how often did you take everything-takes-longer-than-you-think-even-if-you-tried-to-take-that-rule-into-account into account?
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2784 [14:44:34] <jelly> Iridos: "a week" already has *3 factor
2785 [14:45:11] <Iridos> not enough! see replaced-url
2786 [14:45:16] <jelly> zinx: not US, and if I ever I'll bring my EU-style paid leave specifications with me
2787 [14:45:47] <jelly> /cs kick Iridos noxkcd here
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2790 [14:46:39] <Iridos> pfft.
2791 [14:47:38] <dondelelcaro> it means committee
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2831 [15:05:42] <Hakon_> Is it possible to chroot into a partition of my hard drive that contains an installation of Debian using a Live USB, and install drivers/kernel through that? The system has no means to connect to the internet, so I'm kind of stuck on what I should do.
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2834 [15:05:51] <RoboticRobot> Debian
2835 [15:06:00] <RoboticRobot> Debian Debian
2836 [15:06:04] <RoboticRobot> Debian Debian Debian
2837 [15:06:10] <RoboticRobot> Debian Debian Debian Debian
2838 [15:06:14] <RoboticRobot> Debian Debian Debian Debian Debian
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2843 [15:07:46] <Iridos> Hakon_, what do you need to install? You cannot boot into that system?
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2845 [15:08:22] <Hakon_> I have installed it, however it comes with the 4.3 kernel, and the drivers that I need for network connectivity were introduced in 4.4.
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2847 [15:08:32] <Hakon_> And yes, I can boot into it.
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2851 [15:09:18] <SynrG> so yes, you can boot a live USB, chroot into it, and then you should have functional network in that environment, if I recall correctly
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2854 [15:09:48] <Hakon_> It should allow me to install updates to the system I have installed on the partition?
2855 [15:09:58] <SynrG> but 4.3 kernel? that's ... odd
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2858 [15:10:01] <SynrG> ,kernels
2859 [15:10:02] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
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2861 [15:10:13] <SynrG> not a (current) debian kernel
2862 [15:10:14] <Iridos> a newer kernel should be just one .deb package… you can just put that on a stick and install it
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2864 [15:10:36] <Iridos> oh, good point
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2866 [15:11:11] <Iridos> how'd you get to have 4.3 anyway
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2868 [15:11:20] <voicegui> can anyone recommend me a GUI app that works on a Pentium IV and can download youtube videos? Something like clipgrab. I am NOT after a browser addon or a command line tool like youtube-dl
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2870 [15:12:22] <Hakon_> It's a Debian based distro, not official Debian. Can't find support for it in the other IRC, so I thought I'd try and see if I could get some help here.
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2872 [15:12:33] <SynrG> voicegui: once upon a time there was a totem plugin ...
2873 [15:12:49] <SynrG> Hakon_: that's not entirely honest. you said "an installation of Debian"
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2876 [15:13:07] <Hakon_> Erm, based.
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2879 [15:13:35] <SynrG> in any case, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and suppose you didn't know, but debian-based distros are not supported here.
2880 [15:13:58] <voicegui> SynrG, i've been told that once upon a time clipgrab worked on debian
2881 [15:14:07] <Hakon_> Alright then, thanks anyways then!
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2883 [15:14:14] <SynrG> voicegui: youtube downloaders tend to suffer bitrot
2884 [15:14:21] <SynrG> because google keeps changing the api
2885 [15:14:39] <SynrG> ,v totem-plugins
2886 [15:14:40] <judd> Package: totem-plugins on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.1-8; jessie: 3.14.0-2; sid: 3.20.1-3; stretch: 3.20.1-3
2887 [15:14:53] <SynrG> voicegui: check that out. it may or may not work. last time i tried it, it did.
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2890 [15:15:06] <voicegui> ok thanks
2891 [15:15:19] <SynrG> of course, you need to run totem to use it
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2894 [15:15:57] <SynrG> and you probably need to find the plugins in totem and enable it after installing totem-plugins, iirc
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2896 [15:16:20] <Iridos> Hakon_, if it's more than one package, /msg dpkg apt-offline (and apt-zip , apt-walkabout) … that would be options available under debian
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2904 [15:18:06] <Hakon_> Iridos, I appreciate it, I'll go check that out then. Thanks for the guidence.
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2910 [15:19:39] <SlazO> good day, guys :)
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2958 [15:31:55] <jak2013> hi all
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2960 [15:32:22] <jak2013> i need put this on crontab task (after reboot: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; how do this?
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2962 [15:32:29] <jak2013> every tme the pc restarted
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2965 [15:35:05] <cbarbieri> why would you need to restart the network interface once the os has loaded and started it already?
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2974 [15:38:01] <cbarbieri> you should take a look at /etc/network/interfaces and add some 'pre-up', 'pre-down', 'post-up', 'post-down' commands if you need to run something on interface state change
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3053 [15:59:57] <adac> is there a newer package for openssl available for jessie?
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3056 [16:00:11] <adac> if yes, how can I install it?
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3059 [16:00:52] <Iridos> there are never any newer versions in stable (except if security patches make that necessary)
3060 [16:00:58] <Iridos> judd, versions openssl
3061 [16:00:59] <judd> Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u21; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u5; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 1.0.2h-1~bpo8+2; sid: 1.0.2h-1; stretch: 1.0.2h-1; experimental: 1.1.0-1
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3063 [16:01:12] <Iridos> there's 1.0.2 in backports, though
3064 [16:01:23] <Iridos> dpkg, backports
3065 [16:01:24] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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3069 [16:01:50] <Iridos> note that packages in backports don't have dedicated security support like stable does
3070 [16:01:58] <adac> Iridos, thanks will try it with backports
3071 [16:02:04] <adac> ok
3072 [16:02:52] <Iridos> so it may not be such a great idea to take a package like openssl from backports
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3076 [16:03:23] <RafaelK> hello folks
3077 [16:03:25] <adac> Iridos, Ok yes I understand
3078 [16:03:45] <RafaelK> i'm trying to upgrade squueze to jessie :D
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3080 [16:04:15] <RafaelK> and now i get following error, which i can not solve "Could not perform immediate configuration on "gcc""
3081 [16:05:35] <themill> that's not a supported upgrade path
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3083 [16:05:55] <Iridos> you can't jump releases when upgrading
3084 [16:06:24] <themill> RafaelK: has the upgrade actually installed any packages yet?
3085 [16:06:24] <Iridos> you have to go squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie if you want to upgrade
3086 [16:06:45] <Iridos> but for the most part it's simpler and/or faster to reinstall at that point
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3088 [16:07:10] <RafaelK> themill yes
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3092 [16:08:05] <RafaelK> Iridos: but its to late now :D
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3095 [16:08:15] <Iridos> I'd say save your data and do a fresh jessie install
3096 [16:08:25] <RafaelK> :D
3097 [16:08:25] <adac> Iridos, this should be enough right: echo "deb replaced-url
3098 [16:08:30] <adac> and then a update
3099 [16:08:48] <adac> and apt-get install --only-upgrade openssl
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3101 [16:10:06] <Iridos> RafaelK, you can probably still do dpkg --get-selections> somefile to save the names of the packages currently installed and restore that with --get-selections on a new system (for packages whose names changed, it will just do nothing)
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3103 [16:10:27] <themill> !immediate configuration
3104 [16:10:27] <dpkg> When upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, apt may stop with "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on '$package'." First, try running apt-get upgrade; . If that fails, try running apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0; instead. Finally, if that doesn't work, if $package isn't an Essential package, then "dpkg -r $package; apt-get -f install. You should also read <release notes>.
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3106 [16:10:57] <Iridos> adac, then apt-get install -t backports openssl or apt-get install openssl=1.0.2h-1~bpo8+2
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3113 [16:11:20] <adac> Iridos, thanks!
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3119 [16:12:42] <adac> Iridos, hmm that says: E: The value 'backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
3120 [16:13:00] <themill> adac: jessie-backports
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3122 [16:13:26] <Iridos> yeah, forgot the name changed
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3127 [16:13:41] <adac> alright now I see! Thank you friends!
3128 [16:13:46] <themill> Iridos: changed?
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3131 [16:14:59] <Iridos> *shrugÜ*
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3133 [16:15:11] <RafaelK> Iridos: i do not have KVM access to this machine, i can only restore last 30 Days. I think i do then 6->7->8 upgrade ;)
3134 [16:15:14] <RafaelK> thanks
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3147 [16:16:50] <Iridos> hm, but does that mean you can't upgrade the kernel?
3148 [16:17:00] <elliot007> hey is there any way i can get transparency in gnome-terminal
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3150 [16:17:39] <SynrG> elliot007: sort of
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3152 [16:18:00] <elliot007> SynrG: how??
3153 [16:18:08] <SynrG> gnome-terminal itself no longer supports it. however, i've seen it done before with a gnome3 extension
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3156 [16:18:23] <SynrG> third-party, though. and no guarantee this still works ...
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3161 [16:18:53] <SynrG> see extensions.gnome.org and search it for transparent or transparency
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3163 [16:19:13] <elliot007> SynrG: But in my laptop(Fedora) its there by default and without 3rd party plugins
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3165 [16:19:15] <SynrG> of course, if it breaks, you're on your own. we won't support it here. i don't think debian includes any such extension
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3167 [16:19:23] <SynrG> older gnome?
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3169 [16:19:38] <SynrG> gnome removed transparency with the introduction of gnome 3
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3171 [16:20:18] <SynrG> so it's not a matter of what debian offers vs. other distros. upstream removed it.
3172 [16:20:26] <elliot007> nope gnome 3.20
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3175 [16:20:45] <SynrG> ,v gnome
3176 [16:20:46] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.20+1; sid: 1:3.20+1
3177 [16:21:00] <elliot007> SynrG: 3.20 the latest stable
3178 [16:21:01] <SynrG> i don't know.i haven't used gnome since about gnome 3.14
3179 [16:21:17] <SynrG> so if upstream has recanted and now offers transparency, that's a possibility ...
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3181 [16:21:42] <SynrG> if that's the case, it should work in testing
3182 [16:21:58] <elliot007> oh okay so can i like download gnome-terminal from stretch repo
3183 [16:22:24] <jelly> elliot007: don't mix in any stretch packages into jessie
3184 [16:22:50] <elliot007> jelly: oh
3185 [16:22:52] <jelly> it it practically certain to make a mess
3186 [16:23:01] <SynrG> yes. sorry, i should've made that clear
3187 [16:23:05] <jelly> it is*
3188 [16:23:14] <SynrG> also, i was poking around upstream's site and see: replaced-url
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3190 [16:24:04] <elliot007> let me have a look
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3192 [16:24:40] <jelly> maybe pick a terminal emulator that has the desired feature in the meantime, like xfce4-terminal or rxvt-unicode-lite or konsole?
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3198 [16:25:53] <SynrG> elliot007: additionally, i see replaced-url
3199 [16:26:04] <SynrG> any distributions that offer this capability are hacking around it
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3201 [16:26:12] <SynrG> (e.g. Arch, and apparently also Fedora)
3202 [16:26:26] <r00tobo> guys, I have problems with apt-get upgrade ...
3203 [16:26:28] <jelly> or maybe they're just using a different default term
3204 [16:26:32] <r00tobo> I got this error, unable to open files list file for package `libarchive-zip-perl': Input/output error
3205 [16:26:43] <RoyK> r00tobo: anything in dmesg?
3206 [16:26:50] <r00tobo> then E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
3207 [16:26:56] <elliot007> jelly: is there anyway i can patch that
3208 [16:27:03] <jelly> r00tobo: pastebin the complete command and its full output
3209 [16:27:04] <r00tobo> I searched the whole google no such output
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3211 [16:27:30] <RoyK> r00tobo: Input/output error may indicate a disk problem - pastebin output of 'dmesg', please
3212 [16:27:36] <SynrG> indeed
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3214 [16:27:45] <somiaj> You could also use xcompmgr to give transparency to windows/termials.
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3217 [16:27:50] <r00tobo> ok,
3218 [16:28:14] <SynrG> i suspect corruption affecting at least /var/lib/dpkg/info/libarchive-zip-perl.list
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3220 [16:28:20] <elliot007> somiaj: i'll try it
3221 [16:28:26] <jelly> if we're guessing I suspect full disk
3222 [16:28:34] <SynrG> jelly: not on input
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3226 [16:29:22] <SynrG> jelly: i mean, the implication is that reading the file is causing an I/O error. i'd expect a different error if it were simply truncated.
3227 [16:29:23] <r00tobo> RoyK, this is the out put [2000339.034577] EXT4-fs error (device md2): ext4_ext_check_inode:479: inode #2660: comm dpkg: pblk 0 bad header/extent: invalid extent entries - magic f30a, entries 1, max 4(4), depth 60(60)
3228 [16:29:32] <jelly> !win SynrG
3229 [16:29:33] <dpkg> Congratulations, SynrG! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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3231 [16:29:53] <SynrG> i'll treasure that :)
3232 [16:30:14] <RoyK> r00tobo: ok - touch /forcefsck ; reboot
3233 [16:30:32] <RoyK> r00tobo: something is fishy on that filesystem
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3235 [16:30:54] <elliot007> hey i've asked about transparency in gnome channels and they said convince the Debian maintainers to carry the patches
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3237 [16:31:13] <r00tobo> well, it's running with raid 0
3238 [16:31:17] <jelly> elliot007: who were they, btw?
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3240 [16:31:28] <r00tobo> so what I shall do?
3241 [16:31:45] <elliot007> jelly: technically one guy said
3242 [16:31:52] <jelly> right, but where?
3243 [16:31:57] <RoyK> r00tobo: like I said - force a fsck
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3245 [16:32:20] <RoyK> r00tobo: you can't run fsck on a mounted filesystem
3246 [16:32:22] <SynrG> elliot007: see #763383
3247 [16:32:22] <elliot007> jelly: in gnome channel on gimpnet
3248 [16:32:23] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3249 [16:32:36] <jelly> SynrG: technically the error message does not say whether it's "open for reading" or "open for writing"
3250 [16:32:45] <r00tobo> I see. so I do forcefsck in the command line ?
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3252 [16:33:08] <RoyK> r00tobo: no
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3254 [16:33:17] <SynrG> elliot007: the idea is to convince *upstream* to include the patch
3255 [16:33:20] <SynrG> not the other way around
3256 [16:33:21] <r00tobo> what I should type in the cli
3257 [16:33:31] <RoyK> r00tobo: first run 'touch /forcefsck' to create a zero byte file with that name, and then reboot (like I said above)
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3259 [16:33:42] <SynrG> elliot007: generally, if upstream is not interested in supporting it, neither are we (certainly not for cosmetic things like this)
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3261 [16:33:53] <r00tobo> oh ok , so the command actually is touch /forcefsck
3262 [16:33:53] <SynrG> i say "we", loosely, being retired now
3263 [16:34:04] <r00tobo> this is a new command to me
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3265 [16:34:10] <RoyK> r00tobo: man touch
3266 [16:34:15] <jelly> hmm, three different distros (rather than two) carrying the same patches surely weighs on upstream a bit
3267 [16:34:32] * SynrG nods
3268 [16:34:36] <r00tobo> btw, this filesystem is on a server remote-server
3269 [16:34:38] <SynrG> but ultimately the buck stops with upstream
3270 [16:34:40] <jelly> but so does switching from gnome because they remove features, to something else
3271 [16:34:47] <SynrG> yes :)
3272 [16:34:55] <SynrG> an option a lot of people have exercised
3273 [16:34:55] <jelly> preferably _also_ on the distro level :-)
3274 [16:35:01] <SynrG> hah. good luck
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3277 [16:35:19] <SynrG> last i looked at a feature matrix, i think the debian-cd team felt none of the others were up to it
3278 [16:35:25] <jelly> SynrG: it has happened before (ok, and reverted)
3279 [16:35:30] <RoyK> r00tobo: I hope you have a good backup
3280 [16:35:45] <SynrG> yes. but the alternatives end up lacking in one or more areas :(
3281 [16:35:52] <r00tobo> well, the touch creates a file so the file is forcefsck ?
3282 [16:35:57] <r00tobo> I don't have backups 😞
3283 [16:35:57] <elliot007> SynrG: I got it
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3285 [16:36:07] <RoyK> r00tobo: and you're on raid0?
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3287 [16:36:14] <r00tobo> it's a remote server running rtorrent/rutorrent
3288 [16:36:16] <xxooxx> I catches
3289 [16:36:19] <RoyK> r00tobo: that's insane
3290 [16:36:30] <jelly> SynrG: good thing you don't have to care eh!
3291 [16:36:32] <r00tobo> about 16 TB
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3293 [16:36:59] <jelly> r00tobo: is the filesystem actually larger than 16TiB ?
3294 [16:37:09] <SynrG> elliot007: so in the debian bug# i cited, there are cross-references to the upstream bugs. if you want, you can browse those and see if upstream is buying our arguments that they're responsible to do something about the situation
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3296 [16:37:11] <RoyK> r00tobo: well, touch /forcefsck and give it a reboot - your filesystem needs a check now - if it doesn't come up again, pray to your favourite god etc
3297 [16:37:20] <SynrG> elliot007: i was not sufficiently interested to do that extra reading
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3299 [16:37:44] <RoyK> r00tobo: ext4 isn't recommended for filesystems that large - use xfs
3300 [16:37:51] <jelly> elliot007: at that point the easy way out is probably just to use a different term
3301 [16:37:52] <r00tobo> it's ext4 plus I make a separate partition for / root and the rest to /home
3302 [16:37:57] <SynrG> jelly: oh, i care! there are just limits to my caring
3303 [16:38:08] <SynrG> jelly: even as a DD, i was free to care, or not care, about most things :)
3304 [16:38:14] <r00tobo> oh I see. so what's the best to ext4 the maximum size?
3305 [16:38:15] <RoyK> r00tobo: ok, then touch /home/forcefsck too before rebooting
3306 [16:38:17] <elliot007> SynrG: yeah i've read almost all the page
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3308 [16:38:44] <jelly> RoyK: RHEL did have it tested and supported for sizes up to 16TiB
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3310 [16:39:02] <elliot007> jelly: Yeah you're right but i'm a gnome fan and i'd love to use it even if it don't have that feature anymore
3311 [16:39:18] <RoyK> jelly: sure, but that doesn't mean they recommend it anymore - they switched to xfs on rhel7, remember ;)
3312 [16:39:35] <jelly> RoyK: and debian has, like, tytso as maintainer for e2fsprogs so if there's an issue debian will probably fix it
3313 [16:39:36] <seanrdev> If I need to run a script in rc.local as a user (not root) how does one do this? I've tried using (su user01 -c '/home/user01/scripts/test.sh') however when logging in and executing 'ps aux | grep test.sh' I can see the command being run but by root not user01.
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3315 [16:39:55] <r00tobo> remember that I'm running debian 8 XD
3316 [16:39:58] <RoyK> jelly: the main problem with ext4 and large filssystems is fsck - it takes forever - I once spent 14 hours on a 14TiB fs
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3318 [16:40:26] <jelly> elliot007: sure, you can keep using the rest of gnome, just switch to a different terminal emulator. You're allowed to do that.
3319 [16:40:32] <RoyK> r00tobo: doesn't matter - anyway - you can't just convert to xfs - you'll have to backup/recreate/restore
3320 [16:40:48] <RoyK> r00tobo: bit first you'll need a check on those filesystems
3321 [16:40:48] <SynrG> iirc there's guake ... isn't that gnomish?
3322 [16:40:53] <jelly> RoyK: 1 hour per TB is about the rule of thumb I've seen as well.
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3324 [16:40:56] <elliot007> jelly: yeah i know lol
3325 [16:41:00] <r00tobo> yes. this is the bad-side any way I did sudo touch /forcefsck and touch /home/forcefsck
3326 [16:41:04] <SynrG> if you want gnomey goodness
3327 [16:41:05] <r00tobo> now I should reboot
3328 [16:41:15] <RoyK> jelly: depends on storage and number of files too
3329 [16:41:33] <SynrG> elliot007: give guake a look. see if that floats your boat
3330 [16:41:34] <jelly> personally I cut my ext4 to slices not more than 500GB
3331 [16:41:37] <xxooxx> I catch a problem.In Debian8,My laptop is no sound.The type of sound chip is Realtek Alc255.this chip integrates sound port with microphone port.How to solve the problem.Thanks
3332 [16:41:40] <RoyK> jelly: I had to run fsck on another server with 9TiB storage and that took less than an hour
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3335 [16:42:04] <jelly> RoyK: mostly depends on random iops the backend can do
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3337 [16:42:26] <jelly> and in case of ext4, whether it was actually populated that much or not
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3341 [16:43:05] <RoyK> and file sizes, since extents are faster to check than old ext3-like blocks (just because it's fewer of them)
3342 [16:43:19] <iuvhb85> Hi, can you help me ? :) replaced-url
3343 [16:43:21] <jelly> but somehow I prefer my 8 parallel fscks than a large one.
3344 [16:43:54] <SynrG> !alsa checklist
3345 [16:43:54] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
3346 [16:43:56] <SynrG> xxooxx: ^
3347 [16:43:59] <RoyK> iuvhb85: perhaps try #letsencrypt
3348 [16:44:16] <jelly> dpkg, tell iuvhb85 about ask
3349 [16:44:42] <jelly> iuvhb85: write a sentence or two about what you're trying to achieve in addition to just the pastebin url.
3350 [16:44:59] <r00tobo> I did a reboot...hope it solves the problem =p
3351 [16:45:13] <jelly> people don't like to click on a pastebin jsut to figure out they don't know how to hlep at all
3352 [16:45:19] <RoyK> r00tobo: server up already?
3353 [16:45:28] <r00tobo> no, not yet
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3355 [16:45:41] <r00tobo> I just did the reboot, it's not up yet
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3357 [16:45:51] <iuvhb85> jelly: yes sorry
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3359 [16:45:57] <elliot007> SynrG: thanks for suggestion
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3362 [16:46:45] <jelly> r00tobo: do you have access to the console of the remote system?
3363 [16:46:51] <iuvhb85> Hello, i have probléme with letscrypt (work fine but returne: invalid challenge), can you help me ? replaced-url
3364 [16:46:59] <r00tobo> hmmm...I can request a KVM
3365 [16:47:04] <r00tobo> but I usually use the ssh
3366 [16:47:22] <jelly> r00tobo: a fsck of a 16TB ext4 _will_ take hours, and _may_ ask questions at the console time
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3368 [16:47:29] <RoyK> r00tobo: console access is rather nice when the shit hits the fan ;)
3369 [16:47:30] <r00tobo> plus I noticed sometimes the server goes down and I have to reboot it from the control panel
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3373 [16:48:01] <r00tobo> plus this server is been used before I take it
3374 [16:48:17] <r00tobo> so probably the HDDs are not good
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3376 [16:49:03] <r00tobo> so I need a KVM to see if there are any questions?
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3380 [16:51:04] <jelly> r00tobo: yes, especially if it doesn't come back on its own today
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3382 [16:51:29] <r00tobo> oh, will see, thank you for your help ♥
3383 [16:51:38] <SynrG> r00tobo: if you suspect hard drive failure, fscking it may not be helpful ...
3384 [16:51:51] <r00tobo> yes, I know that 😞
3385 [16:51:53] <SynrG> r00tobo: do you have smartctl? (smartmon-tools)?
3386 [16:52:12] <SynrG> r00tobo: if it's dying and you have no backups, take the drive out of service and work on a recovery plan
3387 [16:52:13] <r00tobo> I think I can install it...but the server is down I think
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3390 [16:52:41] <SynrG> it might be a better use of your time (and safer) to clone the whole drive onto a good one
3391 [16:52:50] <SynrG> and then try to fix up the corruption on the clone
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3393 [16:53:15] <seanrdev> If I need to run a script in rc.local as a user (not root) how does one do this? I've tried using (su user01 -c '/home/user01/scripts/test.sh') however when logging in and executing 'ps aux | grep user01' I can see the command being run but by root not user01.
3394 [16:53:25] <SynrG> a block-wise copy minimizes disk seeks, vs. any filesystem-wise operations
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3396 [16:53:28] <jelly> SynrG: seeing as r00tobo has _chosen_ to run on raid0, I'd say they don't care a lot about loss of data or downtime
3397 [16:53:31] <RoyK> SynrG: the error message was from ext4
3398 [16:53:36] <r00tobo> yaay
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3400 [16:53:44] <SynrG> jelly: oh! missed the raid0 part
3401 [16:53:48] <r00tobo> it's up now
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3403 [16:54:04] <r00tobo> yes, jelly I don't much care
3404 [16:54:06] * jelly did not see the whole dmesg, just one line r00tobo picked
3405 [16:54:16] <r00tobo> it's now working upgrading the system ;)
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3407 [16:55:05] <iuvhb85> no body ?
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3414 [16:56:46] <r00tobo> ok it's working now, everything is up to date
3415 [16:56:53] <r00tobo> thank you guys ♥
3416 [16:57:27] <r00tobo> ok wait it's not a 16 TB lol
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3419 [16:57:35] <r00tobo> it's 8 TB
3420 [16:57:45] <r00tobo> /dev/md3 8.1T 7.8T 343G 96% /home
3421 [16:58:05] <r00tobo> and when I did now a dmesg the problem comes with the md3 only
3422 [16:58:31] <r00tobo> [ 34.900678] EXT4-fs error (device md3): ext4_ext_check_inode:479: inode #238229109: comm rtorrent main: pblk 0 bad header/extent: invalid extent entries - magic f30a, entries 1, max 4(4), depth 255(255)
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3425 [16:59:52] <latenite> Hi folks, why does 'journalctl --list-boots' not list any more but ONE boot?
3426 [16:59:52] <latenite> root@replaced-url
3427 [16:59:52] <latenite> 0 d3487c9d12364c6787e67b1463165833 Wed 2016-08-31 16:20:49 CEST—Wed 2016-08-31 16:35:50 CEST
3428 [16:59:52] <latenite> root@replaced-url
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3432 [17:00:24] <latenite> I am sorry !!!
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3434 [17:01:06] <jelly> r00tobo: which debian release is this again?
3435 [17:01:13] <r00tobo> Debian 8
3436 [17:01:17] <jelly> default kernel?
3437 [17:01:23] <r00tobo> yes
3438 [17:01:35] <r00tobo> [ 304.965401] EXT4-fs (md3): error count since last fsck: 527
3439 [17:01:35] <r00tobo> [ 304.965478] EXT4-fs (md3): initial error at time 1470623402: ext4_ext_check_inode:479: inode 238229234
3440 [17:01:35] <r00tobo> [ 304.965654] EXT4-fs (md3): last error at time 1472654772: ext4_ext_check_inode:479: inode 238229246
3441 [17:02:11] <jelly> it's possible your i/o is triggering some kernel bug
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3443 [17:02:15] <RoyK> dpkg: tell r00tobo about pastebin
3444 [17:02:26] <jelly> (rtorrent is mentioned :-)
3445 [17:02:35] <r00tobo> oh, sorry...:(
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3450 [17:04:21] <latenite> anyone? (btw, I did not mean to flood)
3451 [17:04:28] <r00tobo> yes, I'm running rtorrent
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3457 [17:05:09] <Iridos> iuvhb85, it can't download the file it needs to verify you own that address
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3465 [17:07:45] <jor> latenite: maybe persistant logs aren't enabled on your system? Do you have a /var/log/journal directory?
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3472 [17:10:15] <balor> What system component interprets /etc/network/interfaces? I'm trying to find it in order to provide it with an alternative configuration under certain conditions.
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3474 [17:10:33] <latenite> jor, weird... I don't. But I did not delete it!
3475 [17:10:38] <jelly> balor: the ifupdown package
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3477 [17:10:47] <latenite> jor, are the disabled by default?
3478 [17:10:50] <balor> jelly, thanks
3479 [17:10:51] <iuvhb85> Iridos: whi don't check dns ? the token is on port 8443
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3481 [17:10:56] <iuvhb85> no on 80
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3483 [17:11:04] <RoyK> latenite: seems default is /run/log/journal, that's on tmpfs
3484 [17:11:20] <RoyK> latenite: afaics it'll log to /var/log/journal if that exists
3485 [17:11:46] <latenite> RoyK, but that does not exist per default. Why is that so?
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3488 [17:12:15] <RoyK> latenite: ask the systemd guys :P
3489 [17:12:16] <jelly> latenite: because then journald would fill up your disk
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3492 [17:12:43] <RoyK> jelly: not really
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3494 [17:12:57] <Iridos> iuvhb85, letsencrypt can only work on the official ports
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3497 [17:13:02] <RoyK> jelly: there's a thing called log rotation
3498 [17:13:04] <jelly> RoyK: it filled up mine.
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3500 [17:13:08] <jor> latenite: I'm not sure what the current default is... isn't rsyslog still installed and running by default on latest stable?
3501 [17:13:15] <RoyK> jelly: erm - is it that greedy?
3502 [17:13:41] <latenite> jor, I see this
3503 [17:13:42] <latenite> 10 [Journal]
3504 [17:13:42] <latenite> 11 #Storage=auto
3505 [17:13:55] <latenite> in /etc/systemd/journal.conf
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3507 [17:14:17] <latenite> why is that off by default? That just seems wrong!
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3510 [17:15:15] <jelly> RoyK: 1.4G /var/log/journal
3511 [17:15:29] <jelly> latenite: if you don't like the default, CHANGE THE SETTING
3512 [17:16:01] <jelly> it's a sane default for workstation systems, laptops, that sort of thing
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3514 [17:16:53] <latenite> jelly, sure I'll change it. What I wanted to know is why it's off by default. You say its sane for workstation systems, laptops,
3515 [17:16:55] <jelly> seems everyone likes to whine about defaults that don't fit THEIR usage scenario
3516 [17:16:57] <latenite> why is that?
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3518 [17:17:02] <jor> latenite: maybe disabled because of the duplicate logging? if rsyslog is still writing to /var/log/... files...
3519 [17:17:05] <latenite> true :D ^^
3520 [17:17:11] <jelly> latenite: because it fills up the disk
3521 [17:17:16] <latenite> but here...it's logs....
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3523 [17:17:39] <latenite> jelly, there is a build in rotation to the journal!
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3525 [17:17:58] <latenite> jelly, it'll fill up only *so* much...
3526 [17:17:59] <jelly> latenite: is there? What's the limit?
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3528 [17:18:12] <latenite> jelly, you set it in the defaults.... no kidding
3529 [17:18:26] <jelly> so you have to SET it, eh?
3530 [17:18:33] <jelly> that's not what "default" means
3531 [17:18:38] <latenite> jelly, no my other distros have set it
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3533 [17:18:44] <latenite> by default
3534 [17:18:50] <jelly> good for them
3535 [17:18:53] <latenite> so they have logs, that do not flood the disk
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3537 [17:19:13] <latenite> if its good for them...why is it not good (enough) for debian?
3538 [17:19:17] <jor> latenite: that 'auto' setting is probably commented out because it's the default values. So it still should be just a matter of creating the directory
3539 [17:19:24] <jelly> latenite: I'm sure debian will accept a bug report, preferably with patches.
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3541 [17:19:57] <latenite> jelly, off I go to bug track world :D
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3546 [17:22:10] <SynrG> btw, /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz
3547 [17:22:36] <meowshwitz> let's set up some drums in a circle and sing an appreciation song for systemd
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3550 [17:22:56] <SynrG> latenite: i think the answer is, Debian includes rsyslog by default. logging it twice is redundant.
3551 [17:23:19] <SynrG> in a "pure" systemd world, you wouldn't need that
3552 [17:23:41] <SynrG> but we live right now in a transitional systemd world, in which not everything conforms to systemd's grand vision of logging
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3554 [17:24:00] <latenite> SynrG, ok that makes total sense.
3555 [17:24:02] <SynrG> the readme goes into more details about what you'd have to do
3556 [17:24:03] <latenite> sure
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3562 [17:26:42] <SynrG> latenite: so maybe the real answer is that "other distros" already drank the kool-aid? :)
3563 [17:27:13] <SynrG> Debian has been much criticized for its adoption of systemd. but we were conservative. and people can still run Debian without it
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3591 [17:36:00] <opv> hi all - i just installed debian jessie, apt-getted xfce4 which pulled gdm3 and x as dependencies - how do i get it to autostart now?
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3594 [17:36:21] <greycat> If gdm3 is installed, it will run a GUI login when you boot.
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3597 [17:37:04] <LorD_n1c0w> someone can suggest an tool for verify usage memory detailed?
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3606 [17:40:08] <opv> greycat: thx
3607 [17:40:15] <opv> seems it recommended but didn't really pull it
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3611 [17:41:09] <mdlpe> hi, how to prevent sleep mode for an usb wifi stick ?
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3613 [17:42:01] <SynrG> darn, missed
3614 [17:42:13] <SynrG> i think task-xfce4-desktop would have given different results
3615 [17:42:15] <SynrG> vs xfce4
3616 [17:42:39] <SynrG> er, task-xfce-desktop
3617 [17:42:48] <SynrG> Depends: lightdm
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3619 [17:43:02] <SynrG> oh well.
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3641 [17:51:12] <thurstylark> I can't get my computer to sound its bell. I've tried `echo -e "\a"` and the beep utility, but I don't hear anything from my machine when I run it over ssh, or a local tty. lsmod shows pcspkr is loaded, and the beep device in alsa is unmuted and turned all the way up. Is there something I'm missing?
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3646 [17:51:52] <greycat> The hardware may not be fully wired up.
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3651 [17:53:17] * zykotick9 resets his beep volume to muted... it did work... horrible sound that beep.
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3654 [17:53:43] <thurstylark> hmm. if that's the case, I oughtta have a word with the manufacturer... It's brand new out of the box...
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3661 [17:55:19] <greycat> Most people try really really hard to *stop* the incessant beeping.
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3664 [17:55:26] <greycat> You seem to be atypical. ;-)
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3670 [17:57:23] <thurstylark> heh. my fruitless google searches would agree.
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3677 [17:58:40] <thurstylark> It's a headless box that will be powered on and off using the power button on it's front, so I want it to beep when it starts the shutdown process so the user has at least a little feedback when they press the button :P
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3679 [17:58:41] <greycat> The only other suggestion I have at this time would be to try both inside X (in a terminal emulator), *and* at the Linux text console.
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3682 [17:59:11] <greycat> ... oh, there is no console? That's going to make it harder.
3683 [17:59:32] <hexadecimal> Hello o/
3684 [17:59:55] <thurstylark> greycat: I mean, I have it at my desk at the moment, so I can get a console to try it, but it will be completely headless in production
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3686 [18:01:22] <SynrG> does the mb have a piezoelectric buzzer on it?
3687 [18:02:07] <thurstylark> SynrG: it should... I admit I haven't physically checked on this specific model...
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3689 [18:02:10] <SynrG> maybe now considered a luxury that's omitted in very small form-factors. dunno
3690 [18:02:12] * thurstylark digs around
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3710 [18:07:32] <thurstylark> well, fuck me. there isn't
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3715 [18:11:05] <Linnak> hi, which wifi printer do you recommend for debian? mono, multi, laser should be
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3722 [18:12:50] <mdlpe> Linnak: no one. wire is really less problem
3723 [18:13:31] <mtn> Linnak: hps usually work fine
3724 [18:13:33] <Linnak> on a laptop it isn't too convenient
3725 [18:13:48] <Linnak> hp? good. thanks
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3728 [18:15:35] <mdlpe> Linnak: why not ? It's really better to have a printer that works. Canon printer (ip4850 are fully supported (recto/verso, cd etc) You plug you print. Hp is fake
3729 [18:15:54] <Linnak> HP LaserJet Pro M125nw
3730 [18:16:07] <heller_> so do i need to be worried with these emails? replaced-url
3731 [18:16:28] <mdlpe> Linnak: check if they provide driver in .deb and .rpm
3732 [18:16:29] <Linnak> Yes. I know that Canon developes them and HP uses their technology
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3738 [18:16:42] <Linnak> mdlpe: Good idea
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3740 [18:17:27] <mdlpe> Linnak: and good luck :))
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3742 [18:19:12] <careta> guys is there a way to tell linux to create a core without using ulimit?
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3747 [18:19:58] <careta> for example without bash
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3824 [18:46:49] <vans163> Anyone familiar with inotify to know why when the folder being watched has a unicode name say Korean, the files modified inside it dont carry the filename?
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3848 [18:55:06] <luckyguy> my ultrabook has Win 10 already installed. How to install both Windows 10 and Debian 8.5 from scratch ? I want to erase all the files ...
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3851 [18:56:33] <eichenwald> not going to be able to install windows from scratch, you could sysprep win 10, then install debian, use partioning in installer to set up dual boot w/ grub
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3854 [18:56:45] <eichenwald> unless you have win 10 install
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3857 [18:57:20] <teraflops> hmm why sysrep
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3860 [18:58:07] <teraflops> also why are you assuming he has no install media for Windows?
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3866 [18:59:52] <matsaman> luckyguy: want to erase because they're in your way, or because you want no trace of them ever forever?
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3870 [19:01:20] <luckyguy> matsaman: I just don´t want them anymore... Want to start fresh... Please give me the steps... I never did it before. Thanks in advance.
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3875 [19:02:59] <teraflops> luckyguy: just install Windows first ensure yourself you have secured it disabled leave empty space when installing windows there you'll install debian later. once windows insurance installed boot the debian installation media and install it into the free space. once installed and booted install os prober it will detect windows and will add it to the grub menu
3876 [19:03:13] <teraflops> secured/secure boot
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3878 [19:04:25] <teraflops> lol insurance sorry it's the phone autocorrection
3879 [19:04:35] <luckyguy> teraflops: that´s the point: Windows 10 is differente
3880 [19:05:00] <teraflops> luckyguy: sorry I don't get what you mean
3881 [19:05:03] <luckyguy> it does not allow to pick partitions like with Win 7 and the others before
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3888 [19:06:43] <teraflops> luckyguy: I'm telling you to erase the partitions while installing windows. if you cannot leave empty space redimension the partition from Windows when installed
3889 [19:07:42] <teraflops> it's preferred dealing with windows partitions from Windows itself not from debian installer
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3891 [19:07:53] <matsaman> yeah, the UEFI partition complicates matters
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3893 [19:08:01] <matsaman> used to be you could just make a single partition for Windows, and it'd take it
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3895 [19:08:04] <teraflops> just disable secure boot
3896 [19:08:26] <luckyguy> teraflops: secure boot on BIOS ?
3897 [19:08:27] <teraflops> you want UEFI but not secure boot enabled
3898 [19:08:40] <teraflops> not bios it's uefi firmware
3899 [19:08:49] <luckyguy> matsaman: what´s UEFI ?
3900 [19:08:51] <teraflops> unless your ultrabook is way old
3901 [19:08:59] <teraflops> ^
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3907 [19:10:14] <matsaman> luckyguy: just some thing some vendors want you to use instead of the status quo, with some extra complications
3908 [19:10:31] <matsaman> anyway I think someone told you, just install windows and leave space for your unix distro
3909 [19:10:36] <matsaman> that will work fine
3910 [19:10:43] <teraflops> luckyguy: if you have good old bios just ignore the uefi bit
3911 [19:11:10] <matsaman> what is it you want windows for?
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3913 [19:11:31] <luckyguy> matsaman: the problem is when I place the Windows 10 DVD it just skips straigth to the login part
3914 [19:12:03] <matsaman> luckyguy: to a gnu/linux install you already have?
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3924 [19:14:57] <luckyguy> matsaman: sorry ?
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3928 [19:15:36] <matsaman> luckyguy: a linux login prompt?
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3930 [19:16:08] <matsaman> (a) yes (b) no (c) I don't know
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3936 [19:19:05] <drmagoo> Hi, I'm trying to update my Debian-Unstable system. Apt complains that the apt_1.3-rc3 package is trying to overwrite a file handled in apt-utils-1.2.13
3937 [19:19:38] <drmagoo> Any knows what that might be about and if there is a way to fix it
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3941 [19:21:12] <luckyguy> matsaman: you´re telling me to try to install Debian before ?
3942 [19:21:23] <CuteMeOwnThroat> try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for current sid stuff (and/or the bug tracking system)
3943 [19:22:17] <matsaman> I wasn't telling you anything just now, I was asking you a question...
3944 [19:22:27] <matsaman> I even gave you the suitable answers
3945 [19:22:31] <matsaman> multiple choice man =)
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3947 [19:22:41] <CuteMeOwnThroat> [x] all of the above
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3965 [19:29:59] <luckyguy> matsaman: oh sorry.. letter (c)
3966 [19:30:28] <matsaman> luckyguy: is there any OS or any data on the laptop right now that you want to keep?
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3969 [19:31:21] <luckyguy> matsaman: none
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3976 [19:33:10] <matsaman> luckyguy: okay, can you get to the boot menu? Reboot, hit F12 and or ESC fairly regularly
3977 [19:33:21] <matsaman> the bootup screen might also say which key it is
3978 [19:34:07] <luckyguy> matsaman: right now?
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3981 [19:34:40] <matsaman> luckyguy: why not
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3983 [19:34:51] <matsaman> if you can get the boot menu, you can tell it to boot from the DVD
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3987 [19:35:51] <luckyguy> that´s because I´m currently using the ultrabook .... to talk to you guys
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3990 [19:36:05] <luckyguy> what would be the option on the BIOS for it ?
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4003 [19:40:04] <aointaot1in> nc.traditional has a bug.
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4006 [19:40:48] <aointaot1in> at termination, when it prints "sent n, rcvd m"...
4007 [19:41:04] <aointaot1in> n silently overflows and goes negative.
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4009 [19:41:25] <matsaman> luckyguy: something that says 'dvd', 'cd', 'optical', etc.
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4012 [19:42:11] <winsen> hi all
4013 [19:42:12] <luckyguy> matsaman: so I should disable secure boot ?
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4015 [19:44:22] <winsen> I need to assNTpasswrd to 'yumi'multiboot creator. does anyone know what is the entry for NTpasswrd? is it ubuntu, debian... tool?
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4028 [19:50:58] <matsaman> luckyguy: if that's what you have to do to get to a boot menu, you could
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4051 [20:01:24] <ksft> !factoid
4052 [20:01:24] <dpkg> A factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print, or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated information, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something. This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid".
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4057 [20:02:44] <ryouma> !apt-sources
4058 [20:02:44] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, apt sources is a list of unofficial sources for apt. The URL is replaced-url
4059 [20:02:51] <ryouma> !sources.list
4060 [20:02:51] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
4061 [20:02:58] <ryouma> there you go
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4088 [20:11:12] <aointaot1in> nobody cares about nc.traditional eh :P
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4092 [20:11:40] <greycat> File a bug report.
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4139 [20:28:16] <Potatoman> Hey guys. I was being helped by a person on ##linux but he has to eat lunch now and he told me to ask here for any further questions.
4140 [20:28:52] <somiaj> Potatoman: provided it is for a debian pure blend ask away. (:
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4142 [20:29:03] <Potatoman> I'm currently at the config popularity contest thing. Do I turn this on or off? I'd rather have it off but it might be importsnt?
4143 [20:29:38] <Potatoman> I think it is.. I'm not sure, I don't know anything whatsoever about Linux / Debian
4144 [20:29:40] <somiaj> Potatoman: it is just a survey of what software you use in debian. The choice is yours.
4145 [20:29:43] <greycat> It's not important to the running of your system.
4146 [20:29:49] <Potatoman> Okay
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4148 [20:30:06] <greycat> ,popcon rxvt-unicode
4149 [20:30:07] <judd> Popcon data for rxvt-unicode: inst: 2358, vote: 909, old: 1381, recent: 68, nofiles: 0
4150 [20:30:08] <somiaj> Potatoman: so it is a matter of if you want to add data so we have some idea what software people who use debian like/use.
4151 [20:30:19] <greycat> It gives Debian statistics like that ^^^
4152 [20:30:27] <Potatoman> Gotcha
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4156 [20:31:21] <Potatoman> If I want to install LXDE, do I untick Debian desktop environment?
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4160 [20:31:55] <greycat> Unticking things in the installer is always safe. You can install them later if you want them.
4161 [20:32:07] <Potatoman> I see!
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4163 [20:32:26] <somiaj> Potatoman: you want both desktop and enviroment and LXDE checked if using tasksel to install them for you
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4166 [20:32:40] <Potatoman> Tassel?
4167 [20:32:42] <somiaj> Potatoman: some prefer to not install much with tasksel and then only install the packages they want.
4168 [20:32:55] <greycat> tasksel is the thing in the installer that you are looking at right now
4169 [20:33:01] <Potatoman> Oh
4170 [20:33:06] <somiaj> Potatoman: tasksel is the program which gives you a list of 'tasks' you can check or uncheck, and then it will install a collection of packages for that task.
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4172 [20:33:14] <Potatoman> Gotcha
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4175 [20:34:09] <Potatoman> I untucked it and I'm already far past that part and I can't go back, how do I get it back like greycat said?
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4178 [20:34:39] <Potatoman> Oh hey, wb rypervenche
4179 [20:34:49] <somiaj> Potatoman: once you finish the install you can run 'tasksel' or you can just use apt-get or aptitude to install the software you want. You can ask us about the meta-packge that would pull in all of LXDE for instance.
4180 [20:35:13] <Potatoman> Okay, thanks
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4182 [20:35:39] <grig> hi guys. I can't install Debian on my laptop. When booting from a USB drive with the Netinstall installer I get this error: Failed to load ldlinux.c32
4183 [20:36:04] <grig> but the same ISO image works in VMware
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4185 [20:37:45] <mtn> grig: how did you burn the disk? what tool did you use?
4186 [20:38:43] <grig> dd if=debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/rdisk2 bs=1m
4187 [20:39:27] <mtn> grig: hmm, what is /dev/rdisk2? that is odd. and it should not go to a partition, it should go to the device
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4189 [20:39:46] <grig> sorry, that is on OS X
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4193 [20:40:13] <grig> that's how you write an ISO image to an USB drive
4194 [20:40:32] <grig> on OS X
4195 [20:40:38] <mtn> grig: ok
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4222 [20:53:40] <dionysus69> I saw some errors at boot up, where are those logged so I can check?
4223 [20:54:16] <greycat> run "journalctl" as root
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4229 [20:55:28] <dionysus69> I did
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4232 [20:55:31] <dionysus69> doesnt show up
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4236 [20:56:20] <dionysus69> I mean stuff show up but not those errors at the boot time
4237 [20:56:57] <greycat> What do the errors say?
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4244 [20:57:41] <dionysus69> ok I just found using dmesg
4245 [20:57:44] <dionysus69> says usb 2-7: device descriptor read/all, error -110
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4252 [21:00:12] <dionysus69> also I am getting these errors firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-7265D-17.ucode (-2) from 17 to 21 firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-7265D-21.ucode (-2)
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4256 [21:00:46] <greycat> judd file iwlwifi-7265D-17.ucode
4257 [21:00:49] <dionysus69> currently I have iwlwifi-7265D-16.ucode loaded which is the latest one and for kernel 4.3+.. thats weird
4258 [21:00:50] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
4259 [21:01:15] <dionysus69> yes 17 to 21 dont even exist yet
4260 [21:01:29] <dionysus69> is kernel asking for some future drivers ? :D
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4262 [21:01:52] <greycat> Are you using Debian stable?
4263 [21:02:05] <dionysus69> nope stretch
4264 [21:02:09] <greycat> !debian-next
4265 [21:02:10] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
4266 [21:02:17] <dionysus69> oh I knew that
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4268 [21:02:27] <dionysus69> but what about the first error :D
4269 [21:02:32] <dionysus69> its not unique to testing :D
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4280 [21:08:28] <kmh> hi, how do i remove a package when the config script fails?
4281 [21:09:09] <CuteMeOwnThroat> you mean the pre/post install script…
4282 [21:09:14] <CuteMeOwnThroat> fix the script
4283 [21:09:17] <greycat> edit the prerm script (or whichever) by hand
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4285 [21:09:40] <greycat> then clean up whatever your editing caused not to get cleaned up
4286 [21:09:54] <kmh> the package is the new kernel which does not build the spl module
4287 [21:10:21] <kmh> so i just wanna get rid of the half configured new kernel and use the old kernel
4288 [21:10:21] <somiaj> kmh: scripts are located in /var/lib/dpkg/info -- an 'exit 0' at the top will fix the script, but also mean you will have to manually do anything the script should have done.
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4291 [21:10:51] <kmh> somiaj, ahh ok thx... yeah i will compile the module my self
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4307 [21:15:22] <akiTendo> I have a kernel problem - following this tutorial: replaced-url
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4309 [21:15:47] <akiTendo> I got through with no errors that I noticed but apparently the new kernel is missing firmware.
4310 [21:15:51] <greycat> dpkg, kernel handbook
4311 [21:15:51] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
4312 [21:16:09] <akiTendo> Yes, I've read that.
4313 [21:16:53] <akiTendo> I'm running under the debian default kernel for Jessie. The new one is 4.7.2. Is there a way to copy over the firmware?
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4383 [21:50:37] <ewew> Hi. Is there a place where i can find the build flags used in compilation by debian developers ?
4384 [21:51:07] <greycat> The debian/rules file in each source package.
4385 [21:51:35] <ewew> greycat it differs in each packages ?
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4387 [21:52:42] <greycat> yes.
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4390 [21:54:19] <DammitJim> I am using @reboot in a cron job
4391 [21:54:34] <DammitJim> how bad is it that I'm using that to spin up an application?
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4393 [21:54:56] <greycat> Not bad enough to earn you a spot in Debian Hell.
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4396 [21:55:59] <DammitJim> I think that puts me in the 3rd ring
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4398 [21:56:58] <ewew> greycat how about rbash set to user accounts and bash with permissions 750 ?
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4400 [21:57:50] <greycat> Yes, I believe that might earn you a spot in Debian Hell.
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4402 [21:59:10] <DammitJim> anyways... obviously a bash script that is in a while loop could potentially die
4403 [21:59:20] <DammitJim> how would I manage to restart that automatically
4404 [21:59:30] <croddy> systemd knows how to do that
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4409 [21:59:35] <greycat> Write a systemd unit for it.
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4411 [22:00:01] <DammitJim> a systemd, huh?
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4413 [22:00:05] <DammitJim> wow... I'd like to do that
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4415 [22:00:16] <ksft-mobile> I just installed Debian, and I think I messed up the apt sources
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4417 [22:00:45] <DammitJim> thanks!
4418 [22:00:50] <jelly> ksft-mobile: which debian release, 8?
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4423 [22:01:25] <ksft-mobile> /etc/apt/sources.list looked like this: replaced-url
4424 [22:01:33] <ksft-mobile> jelly: yes, 8.5
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4426 [22:01:54] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
4427 [22:01:54] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
4428 [22:02:05] <ksft-mobile> oh!
4429 [22:02:46] <jelly> you're missing the main mirrors in addition to having security and jessie-updates commented out for some reason
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4431 [22:03:55] <ksft-mobile> what's the "contrib non-free" in mine?
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4443 [22:08:56] <greycat> !non-free
4444 [22:08:56] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see replaced-url
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4483 [22:19:55] <ksft> I'm having trouble connecting to wifi.
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4485 [22:20:44] <somiaj> ksft: please describe what the issue is? run 'dmesg | grep firmware', it could be you are just missing some non-free firmware and need to install it
4486 [22:20:56] <ksft> `lshw -C network` shows it as "*-network UNCLAIMED"
4487 [22:21:24] <somiaj> ksft: what version of debian are you running? What network card/chipset are you using?
4488 [22:21:27] <ksft> 8.5
4489 [22:21:47] <somiaj> Some newer wifi cards won't be supported with the stock debian 8 kernel, you may just need a newer kernel from jessie-backports
4490 [22:21:59] <ksft> "BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter"
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4492 [22:22:09] <ksft> replaced-url
4493 [22:22:18] <missmbob> broadcom-sta-dkms
4494 [22:22:33] <ksft> somiaj: what's the package called?
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4500 [22:25:57] <ksft-mobile> somiaj: how do I do that?
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4502 [22:26:17] <missmbob> replaced-url
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4505 [22:27:33] <DeaDSouL> hi, I've installed linux-image-amd64 from the backports... how can I undo this?
4506 [22:27:54] <greycat> just remove the package(s)
4507 [22:28:03] <somiaj> ksft-mobile: follow the link missmbob gave you. The package name will be linux-image-amd64 for an amd64 install, you just need to install it from jessie-backports
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4509 [22:28:13] <greycat> (assuming you *kept* the jessie kernel)
4510 [22:28:18] <DeaDSouL> greycat: `aptitude purge linux-image-amd64` ???
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4512 [22:28:25] <missmbob> DeaDSouL: that's a meta package. you need the real image
4513 [22:28:31] <greycat> DeaDSouL: no, the ACTUAL PACKAGES. Use dpkg -l kernel-image\* | cat
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4515 [22:28:40] <somiaj> DeaDSouL: unless you removed the old package, you still have the old kernel installed and can just boot the old kernel.
4516 [22:28:57] <somiaj> (though I guess if the old kernel was auto-installed it may have been removed)
4517 [22:29:27] <greycat> I don't think I've ever seen a kernel image show up in the list of "hey these things are autoinstalled you want I should remove em for youze"
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4522 [22:31:36] <DeaDSouL> somiaj, greycat missmbob : replaced-url
4523 [22:32:10] <missmbob> DeaDSouL: so remove linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
4524 [22:32:12] <DeaDSouL> greycat: dpkg-query: no packages found matching kernel-image*
4525 [22:32:27] <greycat> sorry, should have written linux-image\*
4526 [22:33:15] <DeaDSouL> missmbob: ok, what about linux-image-amd64 ? it's from backports
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4529 [22:33:32] <DeaDSouL> greycat: np bro
4530 [22:33:58] <missmbob> DeaDSouL: yes. i'd install it from stable after you remove it
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4532 [22:34:30] <greycat> It would probably be enough just to do apt-get install -t jessie linux-image-amd64 if this is really a concern.
4533 [22:34:34] <DeaDSouL> ok, hopefully nothing bad is gonna happen :p
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4536 [22:34:57] <DeaDSouL> greycat: yeah this is much better if takes care of the backport image
4537 [22:35:17] <somiaj> DeaDSouL: it will be removed when you remove the actual linux image package, you could install it from jessie again if you really want to, only thing it will do is ensure a new kenrel is installed in the future if you upgrade that machine to the next debian stable.
4538 [22:35:27] <somiaj> DeaDSouL: the meta packge that is.
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4540 [22:35:51] <DeaDSouL> greycat: nah, it didn't work
4541 [22:36:02] <greycat> It did not downgrade the metapackage? What DID it do?
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4543 [22:36:20] <DeaDSouL> greycat: no it didn't
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4545 [22:36:24] <greycat> what DID it do
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4547 [22:37:20] <DeaDSouL> I'll remove the linux-image-amd64 ... then will see if it's going to remove the 4.6 image.. if it does. i'll re-install it from jessie
4548 [22:37:50] <DeaDSouL> greycat: 'Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.' .... btw i used aptitude
4549 [22:37:57] <greycat> obviously telling us what it did would violate the MAGICAL SECRECY PROVISION
4550 [22:38:14] <DeaDSouL> greycat: even apt-get... didn't do anything
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4553 [22:38:38] <greycat> What version of the linux-image-amd64 package was installed BEFORE you ran the apt-get command, and what version of it is installed NOW?
4554 [22:39:00] <WormFood> Does anyone have any ideas why pulseaudio keeps screwing up. I have to restart my Audacious to make it output sound again. Same with my videos. Any paused videos, when resumed will not play. The only clue I get in the log files is "Aug 31 00:59:59 xxxxx rtkit-daemon[3696]: Successfully made thread 30498 of process 30498 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '1000' high priority at nice level -11." . This is on debian stable.
4555 [22:39:41] <DeaDSouL> even removing 'linux-image-amd64' won't take care of the installed image
4556 [22:39:47] <greycat> ...
4557 [22:39:49] <unborn> greycat: just post that dont bloody beak the debian link :) .. we was all there...
4558 [22:39:52] <greycat> NOBODY. SAID. IT. WOULD.
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4560 [22:39:57] <missmbob> DeaDSouL: i told you what to remove
4561 [22:39:59] <missmbob> DeaDSouL: so remove linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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4564 [22:40:25] <greycat> You were told to remove the ACTUAL PACKAGE that you don't want, and then to downgrade the METApackage if you really feel it's an issue.
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4566 [22:43:34] <WormFood> soooo....I'm the only one having issues with pulseaudio?
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4570 [22:43:59] <DeaDSouL> missmbob: replaced-url
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4572 [22:44:08] <DeaDSouL> is it OK to continue ?
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4574 [22:44:21] <missmbob> DeaDSouL: yes. your paste showed you still had the old kernel
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4578 [22:45:03] <DeaDSouL> missmbob: yes I do
4579 [22:45:11] <missmbob> so no problem. continue
4580 [22:45:16] <DeaDSouL> missmbob: will it configure itself to use that old kernel ?
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4583 [22:45:40] <missmbob> DeaDSouL: yeah you dont have to do anything extra
4584 [22:45:42] <greycat> Yes. Grub will be updated automatically. Did you not witness this event?
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4587 [22:46:18] <DeaDSouL> indeed it does.. it did find and configure the old kernel :D
4588 [22:46:32] <DeaDSouL> greycat: i did bro :)
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4607 [22:55:06] <ketralnis> I'm trying to make a debian package for a Python package using stdeb. The default sdist_dsc does a pretty good job of ignoring files like .git and *.egg-info, but I want it to ignore another file (.vagrant) and I'm having trouble convincing it to not include it in the package
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4609 [22:55:46] <i-love-porn> i need help with somethinf
4610 [22:55:49] <i-love-porn> *something
4611 [22:56:04] <i-love-porn> how to download porn on debian without having the browser history?
4612 [22:56:36] <ketralnis> Use the private browsing mode of whatever browser you're using
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4615 [22:56:49] <i-love-porn> okay
4616 [22:56:53] <ketralnis> e.g. replaced-url
4617 [22:57:06] <WormFood> you use the web to download porn?
4618 [22:57:20] <i-love-porn> why not?
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4620 [22:57:22] <Celelibi> The web is so outdated.
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4622 [22:57:30] <i-love-porn> How else am I supposed to see your mom?
4623 [22:57:39] <WormFood> My mom's porn is only on torrents.
4624 [22:57:47] <i-love-porn> lmfao torrents
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4626 [22:57:54] <i-love-porn> torrents are on the web!
4627 [22:57:58] <heyitsme> which
4628 [22:57:59] <heyitsme> .
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4630 [22:58:01] <somiaj> please keep it on topic.
4631 [22:58:15] <i-love-porn> somiaj: fine I'll torrent the shit on debian
4632 [22:58:28] <i-love-porn> then its topical, lol
4633 [22:58:29] <WormFood> torrents are hosted on the web, and other places. But torrents are not the web.
4634 [22:58:48] <i-love-porn> but downloading on a torrent is downloading over the wev
4635 [22:58:50] <i-love-porn> *web
4636 [22:58:53] <xand> it is not.
4637 [22:59:03] <xand> bittorrent is not http
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4639 [22:59:07] <i-love-porn> unless you have a torrent on your private LAN or WAN
4640 [22:59:14] <xand> the web means HTTP
4641 [22:59:21] <WormFood> and HTTPS
4642 [22:59:35] <i-love-porn> oh i thought it meant the internet, lol
4643 [22:59:39] <xand> nope
4644 [22:59:39] <WormFood> bittorrent is a totally different protocol.
4645 [22:59:46] <WormFood> web has been around since 2001
4646 [22:59:52] <xand> 2001?
4647 [22:59:53] <WormFood> Internet has been around much longer.
4648 [23:00:03] <WormFood> no
4649 [23:00:03] <i-love-porn> bittorrent is so fucking gay, though
4650 [23:00:13] <WormFood> 1991
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4652 [23:00:18] <heyitsme> Hey guys. I installed Debian Jessie alongside my win10 installation. Separate partitions and stuff. I just boot straight into Windows. How do I boot into Linux?
4653 [23:00:20] <WormFood> 1989 for IRC
4654 [23:00:31] <heyitsme> My BIOS only shows the 2 partitions as one hard drive.
4655 [23:00:32] <WormFood> heyitsme, you need to set the active partition
4656 [23:00:44] <heyitsme> Wormwood could you help me with that?
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4658 [23:00:50] <WormFood> Set the active partition to Linux
4659 [23:01:05] <heyitsme> In the BIOS?
4660 [23:01:06] <WormFood> I don't remember how to do it on Windows. I think you can still use fdisk.
4661 [23:01:10] <WormFood> no, not in the bios.
4662 [23:01:13] <i-love-porn> LOL no
4663 [23:01:15] <i-love-porn> diskpart
4664 [23:01:22] <i-love-porn> fdisk no longer exists on windows
4665 [23:01:25] <heyitsme> Sorry I'm really new to Linux and stuff
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4667 [23:01:30] <WormFood> whatever. So, diskpart.
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4669 [23:01:38] <heyitsme> Okay, thanks
4670 [23:01:44] <WormFood> if you can boot linux, then you can use Linux's fdisk. I can walk you through that.
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4672 [23:01:50] <i-love-porn> yeah, well noobs are not allowed here unless they post naked pictures of their pussy
4673 [23:01:51] <xand> er
4674 [23:02:03] <xand> if it's win10 then GPT is probably involved, and fdisk doesn't support that
4675 [23:02:12] <WormFood> sorry i-love-porn, I don't have any naked pictures of you :P
4676 [23:02:14] <xand> i-love-porn: and yet here you are?
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4678 [23:02:23] <i-love-porn> xand, I am not a noob
4679 [23:02:28] <i-love-porn> i'm also not a bitch
4680 [23:02:33] <jor> i-love-porn: there is the porn-get command from the lesbian distribution
4681 [23:02:33] <i-love-porn> I'm just an idiot
4682 [23:02:40] <i-love-porn> lol
4683 [23:02:42] <WormFood> you thought the web is the internet, and you're not a noob? Ok, you're just an idiot then.
4684 [23:02:48] <ketralnis> Anyone have stdeb (python + debian package tool) experience, specifically with convincing it to exclude files from the package?
4685 [23:03:24] <i-love-porn> I like being an idiot!
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4687 [23:03:37] <xand> being an idiot is nothing to be proud of
4688 [23:03:47] <i-love-porn> xand, your mom thinks otherwise
4689 [23:03:58] <xand> if you say so
4690 [23:04:00] <i-love-porn> she says she likes idiots up her cunt
4691 [23:04:00] <`Kevin> clearly a troll
4692 [23:04:07] <WormFood> wow, it seems you know a lot of guy's moms here.
4693 [23:04:12] <i-love-porn> lol
4694 [23:04:18] <ketralnis> Can we please keep the off-topic to a minimum? It just scrolls legitimate discussion off
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4698 [23:04:33] <polyzen> must be a CoD playboy
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4702 [23:05:32] <heyitsme> Wormwood I tried making the Linux partition active but it says it needs to be fixed MBR
4703 [23:05:32] <heyitsme> Whatever that means
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4705 [23:05:41] <rypervenche> So it seems that heyitsme is using GPT.
4706 [23:05:44] <heyitsme> *wormfood
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4719 [23:12:32] <teraflops> heyitsme: youn dont need to set a patition active since thr 90's
4720 [23:12:36] <teraflops> the*
4721 [23:12:47] <acu> !paste
4722 [23:12:47] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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4726 [23:13:15] <heyitsme> I'm trying to dual boot Windows and Linux and it's booting me into Windows immediately teraflops
4727 [23:13:26] <unborn> fo - pa teraflops :)
4728 [23:13:59] <unborn> heyitsme: just get rid of the spyware (windows)
4729 [23:14:18] <teraflops> it doesnt matter, you dont need to set any partition active there
4730 [23:14:45] <heyitsme> What do I do other than that? Trying rescue mode en
4731 [23:14:45] <heyitsme> .
4732 [23:14:53] <unborn> heyitsme: if you cannot - stay on windows.
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4734 [23:15:23] <teraflops> heyitsme: sorry I dont follow your issue I've just arrived here
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4738 [23:16:19] <heyitsme> Installed Debian jessa and I had windows installed, I wanna dial boot bit it throws me into Windows immediately
4739 [23:16:19] <heyitsme> .
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4742 [23:16:57] <unborn> heyitsme: it would be good for you i
4743 [23:17:08] <teraflops> heyitsme: then I suppose you committed pebcak when installing grub
4744 [23:17:18] <unborn> f you stay on windows.. install some virtualbox and debian there for trial..
4745 [23:17:21] <heyitsme> Pebcak?
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4747 [23:17:36] <unborn> o0???
4748 [23:18:21] <teraflops> heyitsme: replaced-url
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4750 [23:18:49] <unborn> arch... really tera?
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4753 [23:19:23] <heyitsme> Yeah teraflops I'm really new to Linux and stuff, sorry
4754 [23:19:23] <teraflops> oh yeah I do arch in my workstation and im quite happy
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4756 [23:19:35] <unborn> user does not even know how to spell the question.. well good luck with that.
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4760 [23:20:45] <teraflops> heyitsme: hey sorry I didnt mean to offend you what I mean is that it looks like you failed at the "install bootloader" stage
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4764 [23:21:42] <t1m1d> hello
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4766 [23:22:00] <heyitsme> There wasn't really a stage like that I can recall. I had to give the installer tons of preferences until I came at the taskset thing and then I just waited 15 minutes or so and it said it was done
4767 [23:22:02] <t1m1d> I could use some help with installing nonfree firmware on my xps 13
4768 [23:22:04] <teraflops> heyitsme: so the next step should be booting in rescue mode and installing grub again
4769 [23:22:41] <teraflops> heyitsme: UEFI or bios + mbr?
4770 [23:22:41] <t1m1d> I have the firmware extracted to the root directory of a small usb stick formatted fat32, but the installer isn't recognizing it
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4772 [23:23:02] <t1m1d> UEFI, following the debian wiki guide for xps 13 9350
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4775 [23:23:26] <unborn> t1m1d: that is dell.. it should work right a way until you have some nvidia crap :)
4776 [23:23:41] <t1m1d> Trying to get the firmware for the wifi chip installed
4777 [23:24:25] <t1m1d> Installer is asking for it, it's sitting there in a usb drive connected to the laptop, but it seems to not recognize that it's there for some reason. I can see activity on the usb drive led but that's it
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4780 [23:24:44] <missmbob> !firmware iso
4781 [23:24:45] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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4783 [23:25:04] <teraflops> t1m1d: are you sure you have the correct firmware?
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4785 [23:25:14] <t1m1d> I'm using stretch, jessie doesn't support the skylake cpu very well
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4787 [23:25:20] <t1m1d> replaced-url
4788 [23:25:27] <t1m1d> following that to a T
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4792 [23:25:58] <teraflops> ah k then
4793 [23:26:56] <t1m1d> On the flash drive I just have the brcm folder with all the firmware inside of it, but I tried having everything in the root directory of the drive and having it exactly as it came in the .deb
4794 [23:27:08] <t1m1d> Unless I'm just supposed to drop the .tar file on the flash drive?
4795 [23:27:17] <t1m1d> I did this before on my old laptop without issue
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4798 [23:28:08] <t1m1d> I can plug in the flash drive while the installer is running, right? It's not something that has to be plugged in when I boot the pc, correct?
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4822 [23:42:07] <t1m1d> teraflops: any ideas?
4823 [23:42:23] <t1m1d> Would the nonfree stretch netinst iso work fine instead?
4824 [23:43:14] <jelly> !debian-next
4825 [23:43:14] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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4827 [23:43:43] <jelly> t1m1d: ^^ the right place where users of stretch live
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4831 [23:44:21] <t1m1d> jelly: Thanks, I figured this was a general enough question
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4833 [23:45:12] <t1m1d> Would a nonfree iso work though? I assume so, I'll just try that now
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4839 [23:47:18] <jelly> ,v firmware-brcm80211
4840 [23:47:19] <judd> Package: firmware-brcm80211 on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1
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4846 [23:50:46] <DeaDSouL> ,v linux-base
4847 [23:50:48] <judd> Package: linux-base on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5; jessie: 3.5; jessie-backports: 4.3~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.4; sid: 4.4
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4852 [23:52:16] <DeaDSouL> how can I know when a package were backported ? or because of which package backported, a custom package backported too ?
4853 [23:52:30] <DeaDSouL> was*
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4856 [23:53:06] <t1m1d> jelly: I am confused what that means. I am running the graphical installer from the latest stretch nonfree netinst iso, but that shouldn't be different from jessie in regards to loading firmware. The nonfree ISO apparently doesn't have my nonfree firmware, but I have the firmware on a flash drive. The installer refuses to recognize it. Any suggestions?
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4858 [23:53:15] <bravvve> replaced-url
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4860 [23:53:27] <somiaj> DeaDSouL: apt-cache policy packagename may help
4861 [23:53:37] <bravvve> having some truble configuring virtual hosts under debian ,all seems alright,but cant get web page using DN ,there is my configuration replaced-url
4862 [23:53:41] <DeaDSouL> `aptitude why linux-base` shows it's because of linux-image
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4865 [23:54:03] <DeaDSouL> but I've already removed the backported image!!
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4869 [23:56:10] <t1m1d> Can anyone help? I am using a netinst distro and my laptop does not have an ethernet port. Should I attempt to ignore the needed wifi driver, and complete the netinst install without internet? Will it work fine if I apt-get update and and apt-get upgrade after?
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4871 [23:56:38] <t1m1d> I am assuming I can just manually install the firmware after the install using dpkg
4872 [23:56:48] <ksft> I have it sorta working now!
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4874 [23:57:18] <ksft> still can't connect to a network, but I installed xfce
4875 [23:57:23] <ksft> with wifi, that is
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4883 [23:59:01] <t1m1d> My main concern here is that the nonfree distro doesn't have my nonfree firmware in it. This broadcom wifi chip isn't exactly uncommon. Am I doing something wrong?
4884 [23:59:15] <t1m1d> I really need to get this figured out asap
4885 [23:59:25] <DeaDSouL> ksft: did you install the firmware?
4886 [23:59:42] <somiaj> t1m1d: is this the bf-43 chipset?
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4888 [23:59:47] <somiaj> or something like that?
4889 [23:59:55] <jsahsa> hello, i whant to install on a lenovo thinkpad t500 debian and i don't know what image to choose
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