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• 9[00:04:29] <nuldkopp> hey I'm back, mostly reinstalled everything
• 10[00:04:47] <nuldkopp> I need to upgrade to a 4.6 kernel and install bumblebee-nvidia now
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• 12[00:04:56] <exezin> So is there actually any recording software that's not trash?
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• 15[00:06:51] <nuldkopp> how do I upgrade to kernel 4.6+ without using unstable?
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• 18[00:07:10] <nuldkopp> missmbob: hey you there?
• 19[00:07:18] <missmbob> exezin: you're using jessie? it has istanbul
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• 21[00:07:25] <exezin> I tried that
• 22[00:07:27] <exezin> didnt really work well at all
• 23[00:07:49] <missmbob> nuldkopp: add jessie-backports to your sources.list. here are instructions. let me know when you're done. replaced-url
• 24[00:08:02] <exezin> I'm on bspwm and it just bugs out
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• 26[00:08:25] <exezin> tried kazam also, that goes crazy due to my multi-monitor setup :/
• 27[00:08:37] <nuldkopp> missmbob: should the url be the same as in the link or can I use the same url as for my current sources?
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• 30[00:09:00] <somiaj> nuldkopp: you can use any mirror you want, also check that the installer didn't add it for you already (you last install had jessie-backports)
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• 32[00:09:25] <nuldkopp> somiaj: ah ok
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• 39[00:10:10] <nuldkopp> missmbob: somiaj: ok added the backports
• 40[00:10:20] <missmbob> nuldkopp: you're on amd64 i assume?
• 41[00:10:24] <nuldkopp> yes
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• 43[00:10:42] <missmbob> nuldkopp: okay so you want apt-get install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 -t jessie-backports
• 44[00:10:51] <missmbob> nuldkopp: assuming you already ran apt-get update of course
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• 47[00:12:05] <nuldkopp> missmbob: okay done, should I reboot?
• 48[00:12:18] <missmbob> nuldkopp: yep
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• 50[00:13:28] <nuldkopp> okay... I think i need to install new firmware for my wireless now
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• 52[00:13:35] <nuldkopp> old firmware doesnt work anymore
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• 54[00:13:54] <nuldkopp> should I just try apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi -t jessie-backports?
• 55[00:14:21] <missmbob> i dont know what your card is but yeah you can do that. then reboot again
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• 64[00:16:36] <nuldkopp> missmbob: okay, wireless working now
• 65[00:17:14] <nuldkopp> now, I'm gona install xorg, then I need some help to install bumblebee-nvidia
• 66[00:17:42] <missmbob> someone else can help you with that...i dont do bumblebee
• 67[00:17:57] <nuldkopp> missmbob: actually I should mention that firmware-iwlwifi from backports did not work... I had to get the firmware manually from somewhere else
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• 72[00:18:54] <Quatroking> Hi
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• 74[00:19:27] <Quatroking> I want to install mysql-workbench but I have broken packages apparently
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• 76[00:19:35] <Quatroking> keep getting the error "pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages."
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• 78[00:20:47] <Quatroking> I've already tried apt-get install -f, apt-get autoremove, apt-get clean, but neither of those worked
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• 85[00:24:53] <somiaj> Quatroking: care to paste the output of apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net
• 86[00:25:23] <Quatroking> sure, a minute
• 87[00:26:09] <Quatroking> here you go replaced-url
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• 89[00:26:43] <Quatroking> I haven't worked on this machine in months so I'm not quite sure what I did before all this
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• 91[00:27:49] <SabreWolfy> Quatroking: have you updated all packages?
• 92[00:28:19] <somiaj> Quatroking: You have a repo that was made for ubuntu, not debian, in your sources.list. This can install packages that are not compadable with debian or cause other issues. At this point you need to track down the broken packages and fix them
• 93[00:28:33] <somiaj> also you can install steam from jessie non-free, no need to use a ubuntu ppa
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• 95[00:29:01] <mrrhq> Yeah.... I was gonna say, that's a pretty bad idea. Lol.
• 96[00:29:11] <mrrhq> It's already in non-free.
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• 99[00:29:44] <Quatroking> wait, so the steam rep is causing this?
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• 101[00:30:23] <nuldkopp> somiaj: do you have any experience with bumblebee-nvidia?
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• 104[00:30:43] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: might be. you would have to give more info for us to tell you more. the full command plus output would be a start.
• 105[00:31:32] <somiaj> nuldkopp: not really. You can get newer packages from jessie-backports it seems. But I have avoided hardware that requires it
• 106[00:31:36] <Quatroking> here's what I get when I try to install workbench: replaced-url
• 107[00:31:38] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: also apt-cache policy <pkg> of every package mentioned.
• 108[00:31:52] <mrrhq> Quatroking: I wouldn't know myself, but I'd say avoid third-party repos if you can if it's already packaged. Chromium can also be used in place of Google Chome.
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• 110[00:32:38] <mrrhq> Apt is good about dependency resolving to an extent though.
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• 112[00:32:51] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: aptitude why-not libgdal1h please too.
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• 115[00:33:26] <somiaj> sometimes aptitude can figure out problems atp-get cannot as well.
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• 117[00:33:30] <Quatroking> TomTomTosch, replaced-url
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• 119[00:33:56] <mrrhq> somiaj: Usually it's vice-versa!
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• 123[00:34:26] <Quatroking> does that last line mean I have a non-i386 version of libgdal1h installed
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• 126[00:35:11] <sicxo> hello
• 127[00:35:17] <mrrhq> Hello.
• 128[00:35:22] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: don't forget apt-cache policy libgdal1h please.
• 129[00:35:31] <sicxo> i have problem after failed lxde installation
• 130[00:35:41] <sicxo> now my get grub error
• 131[00:35:54] <sicxo> and i cannot boot to linux or windows 7
• 132[00:35:59] <Quatroking> oh, yeah, here you go replaced-url
• 133[00:36:12] <sicxo> somebody may help here maybe or some channel?
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• 135[00:36:48] <sicxo> boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found
• 136[00:36:52] <sicxo> this is the error
• 137[00:37:04] <sicxo> :(
• 138[00:37:18] <mrrhq> sicxo: This may help, but it is quite a read: replaced-url
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• 140[00:37:56] <mrrhq> sicxo: Otherwise you could launch a Debian Live CD and do grub-install /dev/sdX
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• 142[00:38:24] <mrrhq> Then do update-grub2 and try rebooting again.
• 143[00:38:31] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: what happens if you just install libgdal1h by hand?
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• 145[00:39:14] <Quatroking> unmet dependencies but this time with libdapserver7
• 146[00:39:20] <Quatroking> lemme run the whynot and policy on it
• 147[00:39:38] <TomTomTosch> also the full output please.
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• 154[00:41:05] <Quatroking> error with why-not and policy replaced-url
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• 156[00:41:08] <somiaj> Quatroking: you should also remove that ubuntu source and try to fix things with debian packages.
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• 159[00:41:36] <Quatroking> the ubuntu source is the steam ppa right
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• 161[00:41:37] <somiaj> Quatroking: apt-cache policy libsdtc++6
• 162[00:41:45] <somiaj> Quatroking: correct
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• 165[00:42:05] <Quatroking> yeah I've already removed that
• 166[00:42:48] <Quatroking> unable to locate package libsdtc++6
• 167[00:43:10] <mrrhq> I remember the painful transition to libsdtc++6 in unstablea year ago. Whew.
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• 169[00:43:31] <Quatroking> also N: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libsdtc++6'
• 170[00:43:33] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: std not sdt
• 171[00:43:42] <Quatroking> oh, bahg
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• 173[00:43:54] <somiaj> yea sorry, my dyslixia there
• 174[00:43:56] <mrrhq> Hahaha.
• 175[00:44:13] <Quatroking> got it: replaced-url
• 176[00:44:16] <mrrhq> I also misspelled it.
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• 178[00:44:48] <TomTomTosch> yeah, you pulled that from the ubuntu repo :(
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• 180[00:45:59] <mrrhq> Ew, ew, ew.
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• 183[00:46:12] <Quatroking> I feel ashamed
• 184[00:46:32] <mrrhq> Np, I make returded mistakes all the time.
• 185[00:46:37] <Quatroking> :P
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• 189[00:47:19] <Quatroking> Should I just go ahead and reinstall the whole thing? it's not like there's a bunch of important stuff on it anyways
• 190[00:47:28] <TomTomTosch> maybe you can downgrade it if you are lucky and the planets are aligned just right. else you would have to do a fresh install.
• 191[00:47:42] <Quatroking> worst thing is having to setup x11vnc all over
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• 193[00:48:08] <Quatroking> Alright, time to find a USB key
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• 196[00:49:00] <CSmith> Hi all, I'm new to Linux and I'm having some trouble getting Guest Additions to run. I unmounted the CD-1, mounted GA from the dropdown, then tried to run sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdditions.run and it tells me that the command isn't found. I tried running the terminal directly from the CD folder and got the same issue. When I did 'pwd' and 'ls -l' the pwd referenced /media/cdrom0 but the -ls threw an
• 197[00:49:00] <CSmith> I/O error.
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• 200[00:49:39] <Quatroking> Oh, here's a fun one: Can I install while connected with SSH or something?
• 201[00:49:45] <mrrhq> Quatroking: If you save your home and /etc directory somewhere and restore file, you should have your x11vnc settings saved somewhere.
• 202[00:50:01] <Quatroking> Good one, will do
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• 205[00:50:28] <Quatroking> But yeah remote install would be nice so I wouldn't have to move that one meter to the machine itself
• 206[00:50:37] <Quatroking> I am a considerably lazy person
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• 209[00:51:59] <lollipop> CSmith: you need to copy RUNLinux-file somewhere on your computer and run it
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• 211[00:52:29] <lollipop> for instance: your home folder
• 212[00:52:36] <mrrhq> I bet there's a way, either with apt pinning target Jessie and forcing apt to reinstall packages from Debian repos, you could get your system function again. It's possible.
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• 215[00:53:21] <CSmith> I'm running Jessie through a VirtualBox - I probably should have mentioned. When I open the CD itself it's empty.
• 216[00:53:23] <mrrhq> I mean, I am living proof that I was able to downgrade from Sid to stable, following a guide somewhere on the Internet. Lol.
• 217[00:53:36] <Quatroking> heh
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• 224[00:55:15] <lollipop> CSmith: try to attach your guest edition in and copy Linux .run file to your home folder and run it
• 225[00:55:26] <lollipop> CSmith: it should work
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• 235[00:59:38] <Quatroking> sweet! replaced-url
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• 248[01:09:12] <mrrhq> Oh yeah, debian has had netinstalls for a while.
• 249[01:09:49] <CSmith> OK awesome, that seemed to fix it. I guess I'd better figure out why it was saying the CD was empty, then when I force-unmounted it couldn't load the GA CD into the tray...
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• 292[01:33:12] <blackflow> So I'm trying out Debian testing, with GNOME. I've set up wifi connection but I can't find in the connection settings where to set up search domains. What gives?
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• 295[01:34:11] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 296[01:34:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 297[01:34:14] <missmbob> blackflow: ^
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• 301[01:34:49] <blackflow> thanks.
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• 305[01:35:33] <mrrhq> blackflow: I can easily solve your problem, uninstall Gnome's network manager, use Debian's interfaces file, and add a search line in resolv.conf. :^)
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• 307[01:35:55] <blackflow> mrrhq: so I see, yes, that the option has been removed. PROGRESS!
• 308[01:36:00] <blackflow> thanks tho'
• 309[01:37:19] <mrrhq> Heheheh.
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• 342[01:53:39] <smacz> Hey guys, quick question. To prevent kernel updates, can I just `apt-mark hold linux-image-*`? Is it really that simple?
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• 361[02:01:09] <mrrhq> smacz: Yeah, but you don't need the wildcard you can just do linux-image-amd64/i686 or whatever.
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• 363[02:01:39] <mrrhq> Although I don't know... why you would want to prevent those kind of updates. Some of them are security ones.
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• 365[02:02:07] <TomTomTosch> linux-image-amd64 is just a metapackage. use the wildcard.
• 366[02:02:56] <mrrhq> If he doesn't have the meta-package installed, yeah.
• 367[02:03:15] <mrrhq> But wouldn't it still work that way?
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• 370[02:04:23] <TomTomTosch> not if linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 gets updated.
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• 419[02:30:27] <prettyjane> Outstanding video by Scott Roberts: replaced-url
• 420[02:31:32] <smacz> mrrhq: live iso meant for clean boot in public wifi. I have an update script that I run - I just don't want to bring down the entire kernel on public wifi every time I boot before I can generate an updated ISO
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• 423[02:34:30] <ap4lmtree> hi
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• 451[02:48:21] <timBandTech> test
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• 453[02:49:04] <danny_> ok, many bad errors
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• 456[02:49:47] <danny_> end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector longnumber
• 457[02:49:55] <danny_> aborting jounal
• 458[02:50:00] <danny_> lots of stuff like that
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• 463[02:53:22] <antipsychiatry> Jeffrey Schaler: Psychiatry is a Fraud and Is All About Control. !!!! Psychiatry must be abolished!! replaced-url
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• 468[02:55:18] <timBandTech> am i here?
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• 471[02:55:28] <johnkeates> no
• 472[02:55:32] <johnkeates> you are in a black hole
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• 475[02:55:51] <timBandTech> yes, it looks like I am. having trouble sending to some channels
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• 477[02:56:14] <danny_> apparently my journal is messed up or something? and fsck helps?
• 478[02:56:24] <simonlnu> yes
• 479[02:56:25] <timBandTech> I don't have any black holes as far as I know, other than my computers.
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• 481[02:56:51] <danny_> what options do I want to use with fsck?
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• 483[02:57:57] <smacz> Refresh my memory - was debian holding back iceweasel for some reason? I feel like I heard that it was...
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• 486[02:58:29] <johnkeates> ice weasel is now firefox usr
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• 488[02:59:48] <smacz> johnkeates: my apologies - "usr"?
• 489[02:59:57] <johnkeates> esr*
• 490[03:00:34] <johnkeates> Iceweasel was called that way due to copyright/trademaks, Firefox ESR is back because that was resolved
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• 532[03:41:07] <danny_> How do I know if debian needs to be rebooted?
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• 534[03:41:25] <danny_> if reboot-required is in /var/run/ ?
• 535[03:41:56] <johnkeates> you will know if you executed a command that requires a reboot to work
• 536[03:42:09] <johnkeates> in theory it never needs to be rebooted, unless you upgrade your kernel
• 537[03:43:10] <danny_> johnkeates, Well I just installed a bunch of stuff with apt-get upgrade and I didn't really read any of it
• 538[03:43:58] <johnkeates> that's not debian's fault :p
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• 541[03:44:26] <johnkeates> basically, everything can be restarted while your are working
• 542[03:44:38] <johnkeates> rebooting is just restarting 'everything'
• 543[03:45:00] <johnkeates> but for example, if you have firefox open, and you upgrade it, you have to close it yourself, and open it again to use the new version
• 544[03:45:12] <johnkeates> if you upgraded mysql or postfix, apt/dpkg usually restart them for you
• 545[03:45:34] <danny_> johnkeates, didn't say it is, I usually use ubuntu and I wasn't sure if debian did the /var/run thing also
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• 547[03:46:05] <danny_> johnkeates, I'm setting up an openmediavault server so I have to learn a little debian
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• 549[03:46:26] <johnkeates> well, as far as i know, debian never really needs a reboot unless you want to swap kernels
• 550[03:46:44] <danny_> I will say a royally skrewed up a bit ago to the point where tab autocomplete returned an error
• 551[03:46:58] <johnkeates> in such a case, open a fresh shell
• 552[03:47:06] <johnkeates> if that doesn't work, log out and back in again
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• 554[03:47:34] <danny_> johnkeates, it kept talking about the journal being messed up and everything being in read only mode
• 555[03:47:44] <johnkeates> sounds like a bad hard drive to me
• 556[03:47:51] <johnkeates> that's something that's in the kernel's ballpark
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• 559[03:48:03] <danny_> johnkeates, hopefully not, I had just repartitioned everything
• 560[03:48:16] <thadtheman> xinput misidentifys my keyboard and and mouse. How can I fix that?
• 561[03:48:25] <johnkeates> use smartmontools and maybe badblocks to check for a broken hard disk
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• 564[03:49:21] <sorokya> anyone around that could help me trouble shoot a login crash?
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• 566[03:49:59] <danny_> johnkeates, I'll run smartctl overnight
• 567[03:50:46] <danny_> johnkeates, any obvious options that I need?
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• 569[03:51:34] <sorokya> I tried adding a xrandr command to my autostart apps in MATE and it broke everything
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• 572[03:54:06] <johnkeates> use smartctl to figure out the current values
• 573[03:54:10] <johnkeates> no need for special tests
• 574[03:54:14] <johnkeates> if the disk is bad it will already know
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• 576[03:55:29] <sorokya> I tried removing the script from ~./config/autostart and it still crashed when launching mate :\
• 577[03:55:58] <sorokya> I have access to the logs but don't see anything obviously going wrong
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• 580[03:57:09] <_unreal_> how do I stop bluetooth services from being loaded during boot?
• 581[03:57:22] <_unreal_> I have a computer that is freezing every time bluetooth services start
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• 584[03:59:09] <johnkeates> disable them
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• 590[04:00:20] <_unreal_> hehehehe thats the idea I'm asking how I dont know where to start? I cant systemctrl because its hanging
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• 593[04:01:04] <_unreal_> where would I find the startup script?
• 594[04:01:50] <_unreal_> 14.04
• 595[04:01:55] <_unreal_> err not that thats this computer lol
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• 600[04:06:04] <socomm> _unreal_: Is this Ubuntu or Debian?
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• 603[04:07:18] <_unreal_> debain
• 604[04:07:27] <_unreal_> THIS netbook is ubuntu
• 605[04:07:34] <johnkeates> NO, THIS IS PATRICK
• 606[04:07:40] <johnkeates> also, this is not #ubuntu
• 607[04:07:41] <_unreal_> the debain computer is my cubox
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• 609[04:07:56] <awal1> _unreal_, systemctl --all and look for bluetooth services and disable them. append grep & less if convenient
• 610[04:07:56] <Hello71> what is debain
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• 612[04:08:11] <_unreal_> I cant, it is hanging during the boot
• 613[04:08:15] <awal1> ubuntu »»» #ubuntu
• 614[04:08:59] <johnkeates> boot single user and disable it there
• 615[04:09:08] <johnkeates> or use kernel parameter to disable bt
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• 618[04:09:37] <danny_> johnkeates, apparently smart was turned off on my drive
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• 620[04:09:47] <socomm> _unreal_: wrong channel, amigo
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• 625[04:10:28] <_unreal_> socomm, what are you talking about
• 626[04:10:52] <awal1> _unreal_, also you can blacklist it
• 627[04:11:10] <_unreal_> not sure how
• 628[04:11:23] <_unreal_> one second
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• 631[04:12:22] <_unreal_> replaced-url
• 632[04:12:25] <_unreal_> That is what I'm running
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• 634[04:12:58] <_unreal_> debian hardFP floatpoint,
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• 637[04:14:46] <awal1> _unreal_, try adding rfkill block bluetooth to your /etc/rc.local file before exit 0 and check if it helps
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• 641[04:15:50] <_unreal_> lol i cant!
• 642[04:15:57] <_unreal_> it hangs before I can get a prompt
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• 645[04:17:09] <_unreal_> its annoying because I have no display till it passes the dislpay param. so i only have a serial monitor console that I cant even do anything with
• 646[04:17:31] <johnkeates> remove the drive, connect it to a working system
• 647[04:17:33] <_unreal_> there for I need to adjust the scripts that launch the bluetooth
• 648[04:17:35] <johnkeates> or boot recovery media
• 649[04:17:49] <_unreal_> its an ARM based system, it uses uboot
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• 651[04:18:03] <johnkeates> use uboot's environment variables
• 652[04:18:17] <_unreal_> ?
• 653[04:18:31] <johnkeates> can you access boot
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• 655[04:18:34] <awal1> _unreal_, for blacklist blutooth in my second machine I created a file called blacklist.conf in /etc/modprobe.d and inserted in that file blacklist btusb
• 656[04:18:39] <awal1> it worked for me
• 657[04:18:55] <_unreal_> awal1, hum
• 658[04:19:10] <johnkeates> if you have no method of accessing the disk or uboot config, throw the thing in the trash
• 659[04:19:18] <awal1> in /etc/modeprobe.d directory ^
• 660[04:19:42] <awal1> modprobe ^
• 661[04:19:45] <_unreal_> johnkeates, the only access to boot I have is pre load. meaning the tiny uboot boot loader that is on the internal mmc
• 662[04:20:00] <_unreal_> but that doesnt give me I/O acess to the harddrive
• 663[04:20:17] <johnkeates> but it has all the boot variables
• 664[04:20:27] <johnkeates> such as the linux cmdline where you specify boot parameters
• 665[04:20:31] <_unreal_> if it does I dont know what I'm l;ooking at
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• 667[04:20:56] <awal1> but if you are using gnome or kde, thats pretty easy to disable in system setting, I guess
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• 670[04:21:39] <_unreal_> hehe not using anything. the plan is to have xbmc
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• 675[04:22:39] <fredddddd> Has anyone been able to use Debian Stretch with an AMD Fury? After I install, Debian does not boot.
• 676[04:22:51] <_unreal_> driving me crazy, solid-run use to have everthing working then they @#$@#$ the servers and enver updated any of the scripts for there own product.
• 677[04:23:21] <_unreal_> pissis me off, its just like microsoft dropping the original Xbox like it was nothing
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• 700[04:35:09] <balleyne> I'm running a Debian install now, no GUI, and it's been hung on this step for over half an hour: "Disabling netinst CD in sources.list..." (under Finishing the Installation 25%). What should I do?
• 701[04:35:46] <freddd> Have you retried the setup balleyne?
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• 703[04:36:40] <balleyne> freddd, what do you mean? I haven't retried anything yet, this is a first attempt at installing and it hasn't prompted me with a retry option or anything.
• 704[04:36:51] <freddd> It could indicate a hard drive problem, but it could also indicate something else, a hardware incompatibility. The best thing to do is just to retry. Has your hardware given you trouble before?
• 705[04:37:05] <freddd> No, just shutting down your PC and retrying the setup from scratch.
• 706[04:37:21] <freddd> Or pressing Esc to see if it goes back a step.
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• 712[04:38:52] <balleyne> freddd, okay, thanks, will try. This is a new hard drive, and an old laptop from a friend, so could easily be a hardware issue
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• 723[04:45:47] <qih> Using Debian 8/AMD64, I want to edit some xkb items such as specific keymap, but my currnet locale "en_NZ.utf8", is not in the list of available locales in /usr/share/X11/locale, why not?
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• 726[04:46:51] <qih> cl
• 727[04:46:51] <qih> ls
• 728[04:46:55] <qih> Sorry.
• 729[04:48:01] <jak2000> how to execute with root privilege immedialy boot up...
• 730[04:48:17] <jak2000> always for my debian have access to network i need type:
• 731[04:48:34] <jak2000> sudo ifdown eth0 and sudo ifup eth0
• 732[04:48:55] <capum321> qih you want to change keyboard layout?
• 733[04:49:40] <capum321> jak you should write in conf file something like eth0 auto
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• 735[04:50:02] <jak2000> capum321 i have been configured.. not know why react ....
• 736[04:50:06] <jak2000> as i explained
• 737[04:50:46] <capum321> open the file again, did the information stored?
• 738[04:50:54] <jak2000> yes
• 739[04:51:34] <capum321> is it dhcp?
• 740[04:51:40] <jak2000> static
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• 742[04:51:56] <qih> capum321: I have changed the keyboard layout to Esperanto (EPO) but two of the EPO chars are mapped to [ ], whereas I want them on their respctive letters: j & h
• 743[04:52:19] <qih> So need to find out current xkb mapping layout
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• 745[04:52:46] <qih> I just found this on Arch Wiki: xkbcomp -xkb $DISPLAY xkbmap <= That shows current setup
• 746[04:52:51] <capum321> jak2000: are you using networkmanager ?
• 747[04:53:07] <ryouma> is xkbcomp the new xmodmap?
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• 749[04:53:30] <qih> ryouma: NFI, works on Debian 8
• 750[04:53:37] <jak2000> i think yes
• 751[04:53:39] <jak2000> how to check?
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• 753[04:54:23] <capum321> jak2000: is it the graphical tool ?
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• 763[04:59:19] <jak2000> not
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• 769[05:00:33] <jak2000> apt list | grep network-manager
• 770[05:00:36] <jak2000> yes i have installed
• 771[05:00:37] <jak2000> remove?
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• 777[05:01:15] <sypher> jak2000: apt list doesn't list everything you have installed. dpkg -l does.
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• 779[05:01:41] <sypher> jak2000: apt list --installed will also do that.
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• 781[05:01:58] <jak2000> ok
• 782[05:02:03] <jak2000> installed network-manager
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• 1179[05:48:39] <_rubik> so I just ran an nslookup on wiki.debian.org and found the cname is wilder.debian.org
• 1180[05:48:53] <_rubik> Whats the story there?
• 1181[05:49:16] <freddd> _rubik what is awkward about that?
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• 1183[05:49:53] <freddd> People tend to name servers, I do as well.
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• 1185[05:50:12] <_rubik> freddd: Nothing is awkward. So that was just the name of the server?
• 1186[05:50:20] <freddd> Yeah.
• 1187[05:50:27] <_rubik> freddd: Neat. Thanks
• 1188[05:50:32] <freddd> I name mine usually toward greek inspired stuff.
• 1189[05:50:38] <freddd> aristedes.website.com and so forth.
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• 1199[05:55:34] <freddd> No problem. ^^
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• 1270[06:41:40] <pinknpurpl> replaced-url
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• 1273[06:44:22] <b0ss_> I´m clueless.. how can I install Windows 10 and Debian making dual boot ?
• 1274[06:44:32] <jmcnaught> !ops anti-semitism conspiracy junk
• 1275[06:44:32] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: anti-semitism conspiracy junk
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• 1277[06:44:53] <jmcnaught> b0ss_: in the past it's generally meant installing windows first, then linux second
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• 1280[06:45:12] <stoned> !dualboot
• 1281[06:45:12] <dpkg> This describes a system that can boot to two different OSs. Some, like Windows XP and 7, allow for dual booting when installed. There is commercial programs that install a special boot partition capable of launching OSs from other partitions, to boot more than two OSs on the same machine. see <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>
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• 1284[06:45:42] <stoned> !dual boot guide
• 1285[06:45:42] <dpkg> A guide for setting up dual boot with Windows 7 can be found at replaced-url
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• 1287[06:46:57] <x37_> how is anyone feeling
• 1288[06:47:05] <x37_> anyone and or everyone
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• 1290[06:49:46] <b0ss_> you told me about Win 7 but I meant Win 10 ..
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• 1292[06:51:43] <jmcnaught> b0ss_: you probably need to use UEFI booting for Debian, since i think windows 10 requires UEFI. To install Debian with UEFI you must use an installer image. live images don't support UEFI
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• 1295[06:53:23] <morf> jmcnaught: only for devices that was released after windows 10
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• 1297[06:54:19] <morf> b0ss_: so basically yes you can if you can boot legacy bios, and have hw that will allow you run the windows 10 without uefi bios
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• 1303[06:56:59] <b0ss_> jmcnaught: Windows 10 is already installed on my ultrabook which dates back to 2014. An ASUS. There´s a C and a D driver. I want to start it all over: Win 10 with 500GB and 300GB for Debian.
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• 1418[08:07:14] <no_gravity> How do you wget in ipv6 ip?
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• 1431[08:18:41] <valdyn> no_gravity: wget 2001::1 (for example)
• 1432[08:19:19] <no_gravity> Looks like I cannot reach any ipv6 thing.
• 1433[08:19:32] <valdyn> wget replaced-url
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• 1554[10:03:21] <hanz_> Hi. What is the recommended way to enable TRIM on a LUKS partition with Debian Jessie?
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• 1560[10:05:05] <jelly-home> hanz_: add discard to the relevant line in /etc/crypttab
• 1561[10:05:27] <jelly-home> man 5 crypttab
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• 1563[10:06:00] <hanz_> jelly-home: Can you explain to me what's the difference between "discard" and "allow-discard" in crypttab and "cryptdevice=...:discard" in the cmdline?
• 1564[10:06:31] <jelly-home> I can't
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• 1570[10:06:55] <jelly-home> there is no mention of "allow-discard" in said manual
• 1571[10:07:29] <hanz_> jelly-home: I'm not sure, but it could be that allow-discard was supported in earlier versions and has been renamed to discard since :-/
• 1572[10:07:47] <jelly-home> this is on debian 8.
• 1573[10:08:02] <hanz_> I'm using Debian 8, so that's good.
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• 1575[10:08:19] <hanz_> I guess I'll just use discard in crypttab then and assume it's all good
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• 1579[10:09:26] <hanz_> jelly-home: Do I also need to enable "issue-discards" in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf (I guess so)
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• 1583[10:10:48] <jelly-home> > Issue discards to PVs that are no longer used by an LV.
• 1584[10:11:09] <jelly-home> if you shrink or remove LVs or pvmove often, sure
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• 1587[10:12:22] <hanz_> jelly-home: OK, so it's not really necessary in my case, but I'm wondering why it's disabled by default :-/ I can't think of a disadvantage
• 1588[10:13:48] <jelly-home> ask in #lvm maybe
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• 1590[10:14:27] <jelly-home> mention the OS, kernel and lvm2 version used
• 1591[10:14:54] <blackflow> Hello. Need help figuring out why the laptop won't suspend when I close the lid. Catting /proc/acpi/button/lid/.../state in a loop shows state:closed when I closed it, and state:open when I open it. Default settings, Debian testing, gnome. Any pointers where to start looking?
• 1592[10:15:55] <hanz_> blackflow: syslog maybe
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• 1596[10:16:18] <blackflow> logind.conf is default, #HandleLidSwitch=suspend
• 1597[10:16:46] <blackflow> hanz_: there is no relevant message tailing journalctl. do you suggest some other way to check the logs?
• 1598[10:17:07] <hanz_> hanz_: I usually just "tail -f /var/log/syslog"
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• 1602[10:18:24] <blackflow> googling about it, I see an archlinux forum post where somoene saw "Lid closed" and "Lid opened" log events for systemd-logind service. I don't see those (despite acpi state being recognized). perhaps that's a clue?
• 1603[10:19:02] <hanz_> blackflow: Can you check "systemd-inhibit --list" if there's an application inhibiting logind from suspending?
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• 1607[10:20:39] <hanz_> I'm not entirely sure if handle-lid-switch has a separate event for inhibits, but on my GNOME "handle-power-key:handle-suspend-key:handle-hibernate-key" are inhibited by the gnome-settings-daemon
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• 1614[10:22:17] <blackflow> hanz_: replaced-url
• 1615[10:22:33] <blackflow> though, I can suspend if I press (shortly) the power button.
• 1616[10:22:38] <blackflow> so suspend itself works fine
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• 1621[10:24:48] <hanz_> blackflow: I'd say that gnome-settings-daemon is responsible for lid switch not working.
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• 1623[10:25:38] <hanz_> blackflow: I'm not using GNOME that often. Do you know if there's an option somewhere in the settings where you could disable going to sleep on lid close?
• 1624[10:26:09] <armin> blackflow: you usually have the option to let systemd handle the lid switch, circumventing all other ways.
• 1625[10:26:22] <armin> blackflow: see /etc/systemd/logind.conf iirc
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• 1627[10:27:13] <armin> blackflow: there likely is some kind of power management daemon that comes with gnome (i always end up uninstalling gnome after less than 20min so i don't know).
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• 1630[10:27:55] <armin> ah, hanz_ already pointed that out.
• 1631[10:28:04] <blackflow> hanz_: there is something in the power section of the tweak tool, a boolean switch that doesn't change anything, and according to the help message, enabling it would _prevent_ suspend on lid close.
• 1632[10:28:04] <armin> overlooked.
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• 1634[10:29:04] <hanz_> blackflow: Just checked in my tweak tool and it looks like it's just displaying the title but not the option itself :-/
• 1635[10:29:22] <armin> blackflow: my advise would be to start by disabling anything gnome and enabling this within systemd. the gnome stuff has a good chance to be broken or buggy.
• 1636[10:29:52] <hanz_> If I run "journalctl -xn" I do get "Lid closed" messages followed by "Suspending..." from logind so I actually assume, that unlike xfce4-power-manager e.g. GNOME does not actually inhibit the lid switch :-/
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• 1640[10:30:32] <blackflow> armin: I see, thanks. Well I'm just trying this out. Gnome is losing valuable functionality and I don't think I'll continue using it anyway. Just thought to get this working meanwhile. I'll try this last advice, going systemd only without gnome controlling those options.
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• 1642[10:30:53] <blackflow> hanz_: and I don't get those messages at all, but acpi registers the lid closed.
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• 1647[10:31:41] <hanz_> hanz_: Have you tried uncommenting HandleLidSwitch in logind.conf and maybe setting "LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=yes" (even though that should be default)?
• 1648[10:32:26] <hanz_> I usually don't use x86 systems often, so if it turns out to be an ACPI problem, I'm afraid I can't be of any help :-/
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• 1650[10:32:40] <armin> blackflow: there has been 'heavy development' (read: 'blatantly insane constant changes that could change any aspect of the behaviour') in systemd and power management stuff, i reckon the gnome developers even had problems to catch up with their things.
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• 1652[10:32:53] <armin> oh, hanz_ even pointed out the 2 relevant settings and the correct filename.
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• 1654[10:33:16] <hanz_> armin: Ehrm, thanks, I guess ;-)
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• 1656[10:33:36] <armin> what hanz_ just said is what i would try.
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• 1662[10:33:45] <armin> hanz_: kudos. :)
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• 1664[10:34:27] <hanz_> So, armin, what do you prefer instead of GNOME?
• 1665[10:34:49] <armin> hanz_: i'd go with xfce4 for now.
• 1666[10:35:06] <hanz_> armin: Seems like a good choice :-)
• 1667[10:35:17] <hanz_> Or KDE if you like the animations :P
• 1668[10:35:25] <armin> hanz_: i often use weird constructs involving i3 and heavily customized setups, too, but considering how much work that is i can't recommend you to go through all that.
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• 1671[10:35:48] <armin> kde becomes usable once you switch off all that animations stuff i think. it
• 1672[10:36:01] <armin> it's still blatantly bloated, especially compared to xfce.
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• 1674[10:36:32] <hanz_> armin: Usually I just start off with plain xfce4, and then usually the first thing I do is install awesome and start xfce4-session from within awesome. That has turned out to work really well for me
• 1675[10:36:39] <blackflow> I made uncommented and enabled HandleLidSwitch, HandleLidSwitchDocket and LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited, no go. Ah, well.... :)
• 1676[10:36:54] <armin> xfce works pretty well as a daily driver if all you want to do is get going and be able to focus on your work within a matter of less than 5 minutes. that
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• 1678[10:37:07] <armin> damn this (*&$(*@& keyboard layout. damn it.
• 1679[10:37:09] <hanz_> armin: Of course, KDE is bloated (similar to GNOME) but somehow you can still use it as a desktop I'd say.
• 1680[10:37:25] <hanz_> armin: u using an american keyboard? :P
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• 1683[10:38:22] <armin> hanz_: you can. if you switch off all that crap that it comes with. sounds, animations, fades, transparency WITH blur effects which make things slow on most hardware, very very evil defaults and recursively cascaded levels of encapsulated menus and dialogs.
• 1684[10:38:26] <hanz_> KDE actually has some nice gimmicks, while still allowing you to actually configure your system to work the way you actually want it to. But of course, it's nowhere near lightweight.
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• 1686[10:39:03] <armin> hanz_: i use quite a good number of very fast computers and kde still is so slow on them that i need to switch off all that stuff.
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• 1689[10:39:21] <hanz_> armin: usually I go the other way round. I enable _all_ of the sounds, animations, fades, wobbly windows, GL accellerated window manager and just have some fun with it for a few hours.
• 1690[10:39:40] <hanz_> armin: I usually use slow computers and KDE is also slow on them if you enable the animations :P
• 1691[10:39:45] <armin> hanz_: ok you're of that strange kind i get it. :)
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• 1694[10:39:57] <hanz_> armin: haha
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• 1696[10:40:37] <hanz_> to play around it's kinda cool but to get actual work done I'd rather just have what's important, and animations, fades and shit are _not_ important
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• 1699[10:41:04] <hanz_> The sad thing is actually that I can totally understand the direction GNOME is going to, even though I actually don't support it at all
• 1700[10:41:08] <armin> hanz_: well i'm able to come up with a usable desktop in xfce in well less than 10 minutes and i can just tell my coworker to sit next to me because we're now ready to rock. mac os x is about 30min until i can start my work, kde is about 1 hour at least.
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• 1702[10:41:47] <armin> hanz_: i automated most parts of my i3 setups with scripts so that nowadays is fast as hell to bootstrap, too, but that was a hell of work.
• 1703[10:42:19] <hanz_> armin: Agreed, exept that the Mac OS X figure is only true when running Mac OS X < 10.6. Everything later is just a huge clusterfuck that I honestly dont want to deal with. Similar to Windows 8 and Android 5.0+
• 1704[10:42:33] <armin> hanz_: having to install an extension to get a minimize and maximize button on a window is completely beyond it. i can
• 1705[10:42:44] <blackflow> I was using i3 a lot until I realized all of my windows are always maximized and I need more than 10 displays :D
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• 1707[10:42:50] <hanz_> armin: u talking of gnome?
• 1708[10:42:51] <armin> oh wow, how can anyone put the enter key put just next to the ' key
• 1709[10:43:12] <blackflow> nowadays I just want no fuss, no fiddle works out of the box things, so I can concentrate on work.
• 1710[10:43:19] <armin> hanz_: yes. it has been like that for a long time. gnome is unusable without the tweak tool.
• 1711[10:43:46] <hanz_> armin: I'd actually say GNOME was useable until 3.0 and now is almost useable again, thanks to the tweak tool
• 1712[10:43:50] <armin> blackflow: i agree with minimalism totally, it still doesn't justify those insane decisions.
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• 1714[10:44:08] <hanz_> lol
• 1715[10:44:11] <blackflow> armin: I just can't understand why GNOME is removing useful functions. NetworkManager, there used to be a way to set up search domains, and I use that a lot to access our serves by hostname alone withouth having to manually write out a list.....
• 1716[10:44:39] <hanz_> blackflow: What? no search domains in network-manager anymore?
• 1717[10:44:45] <armin> networkmanager is another good member of that insanity posse bikers club.
• 1718[10:44:50] <hanz_> since when is that, because my network-manager in my custom xfce still has
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• 1720[10:45:04] <blackflow> hanz_: I'm running debian testing with gnome3
• 1721[10:45:26] <armin> i consider networkmanager blatantly broken. it has gotten way better over the last years, but i ended up abandoning all that crap, including networkmanager and gnome, entirely.
• 1722[10:45:28] <blackflow> from what I read on the net, the gnome gui removed it, while the NM itself supports the functionality
• 1723[10:45:36] <hanz_> blackflow: Forgot that. Oh crap, don't tell me I need to find an alternative to nm too when I upgrade to stretch -.-
• 1724[10:45:55] <blackflow> well... :)
• 1725[10:45:58] * hanz_ is relieved
• 1726[10:45:59] <armin> hanz_: just abandon it. use commandline tools directly. you won't be any slower.
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• 1728[10:46:36] <hanz_> armin: Just which one? Part of the reason of using nm was that it just works out of the box (unless you want to OpenVPN)
• 1729[10:46:50] <armin> i have a good friend who develops peervpn (peervpn.net). he would call you completely insane for using NM.
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• 1731[10:47:13] <armin> hanz_: i just use wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd.
• 1732[10:48:00] <hanz_> armin: that's the thing. In the end I will end up using five different applications to connect to university Wi-Fi, work Wi-Fi, home Wi-Fi, uni VPN, office VPN and all that crap
• 1733[10:48:11] <armin> i had a visitor here 1 week ago who tried to connect to my wifi for 20min. i just killed his NM process and connected him manually after 20min of fiddling around, and he was up and running in well below 30sec.
• 1734[10:48:21] <hanz_> I do totally agree that nm sucks, but so far I've found nothing better
• 1735[10:48:35] <armin> hanz_: i just use some tiny helper scripts. that
• 1736[10:48:36] <hanz_> what Wi-Fi do you have?
• 1737[10:48:39] <armin> 's it.
• 1738[10:48:51] <hanz_> how many of them do you need to run in a root shell?
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• 1740[10:49:03] <armin> hanz_: what do you mean by what wifi?
• 1741[10:49:13] <hanz_> armin: how is it configures
• 1742[10:49:17] <hanz_> *configured
• 1743[10:49:44] <armin> hanz_: i just send wpa_supplicant a kill signal after having added a new AP config and am connected. it automatically roams, too.
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• 1746[10:50:29] <hanz_> armin: but what was the reason that nm could not connect?
• 1747[10:50:32] <armin> i just close the lid of my laptop at home and open it again when i'm on the train and am connected instantly. no NM, no bloat, no crap.
• 1748[10:50:47] <armin> hanz_: ah, i don't know. software bug i think.
• 1749[10:50:59] <hanz_> armin: same for me...
• 1750[10:51:16] <armin> hanz_: i got a ubiquiti AP/AC, which just works with all other devices that i have, including apple devices and various android phones.
• 1751[10:51:34] <blackflow> I know I'm in #debian, and I'm really not trolling, but my daily driver is Ubuntu Unity and that thing just works. wifi and nm? click, click, enter ssid+pass, click, done. as I like that kind of interface, I wanted to try out Debian with gnome but man that gnome is TOTALLY gone downhill....
• 1752[10:51:37] <hanz_> armin: are you using their edgeos or whatever it's called?
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• 1755[10:52:08] <hanz_> W00t??? UBUNTU??? FUCK THIS GUY!! BAN!!
• 1756[10:52:13] <blackflow> heh
• 1757[10:52:22] <hanz_> no srsly? how can you even...
• 1758[10:52:30] <armin> hanz_: i would have to find out the ip of that AP thing. i know i can connect to it with root user/pass, but i'm so tired and lazy that i ask you to not ask me to have to find out it's IP right now.
• 1759[10:52:48] <hanz_> Ubuntu is (and I'm not joking) an african word and means "too stupid to configure Debian"
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• 1761[10:53:03] <dutchfish> wel, i have ent. radius auth configured through nm within kde for many endpoints, no problem whatsoever. fyi.
• 1762[10:53:06] <armin> hanz_: it's been years since i connected to it via ssh even. :)
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• 1764[10:53:16] <hanz_> armin: I was wondering if you flashed OpenWrt or something...
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• 1766[10:53:42] <blackflow> hanz_: because it just works! last night I removed ubuntu from this laptop (which isn't my main computer so good for testing), and tried Debian. Took me all evening to set it up after regular Jessie nstalled but wouldn't work (it's a broadwell so possibly that's the reason). Then dl'd the testing iso, and it works... except that gnome, as I said, ... :)
• 1767[10:53:51] <hanz_> EAP-TLS works like a charme with nm, that's true
• 1768[10:53:56] <armin> hanz_: no. i run a tiny router board with pfsense on it but that doesn't even do wifi. i just connected that standalone wifi AP to my switch and that's it.
• 1769[10:54:06] <jelly> hanz_: calm your tits
• 1770[10:54:33] <armin> and yes i connect to corporate wifi's, too, including radius and ldap authentication things.
• 1771[10:54:38] <armin> it just works.
• 1772[10:54:47] <hanz_> like with nm :P
• 1773[10:54:49] <armin> no NM, no gui, no pain.
• 1774[10:54:58] <hanz_> NM, gui, no pain :)
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• 1777[10:55:12] <armin> well. :)
• 1778[10:55:29] <armin> that's how human beings differ, i assume.8)
• 1779[10:55:32] <blackflow> the only pain I had with NM was when working with bridged interfaces, that always required config files.
• 1780[10:55:38] <hanz_> whatever floats you boat. My strategy is to stay with whatever's pre-installed until it pisses me off enough so that I go and look for an alternative
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• 1784[10:56:28] <hanz_> armin: So you have an Intel RouterBoard? (afaik pfsense is x86-only)
• 1785[10:56:43] <armin> hanz_: see, on my systems i go with as vanilla as it can be out of the box. i don't want bloat to be installed when setting up a new system. since wifi already works, why would i even consider installing something more on top? ;)
• 1786[10:56:51] <armin> hanz_: yes, some alix thing.
• 1787[10:57:09] <hanz_> armin: alix?
• 1788[10:57:48] <armin> hanz_: replaced-url
• 1789[10:58:12] <blackflow> hanz_: there's also this alternate african dialect in which Ubuntu means "don't wanna fiddle with my desktop after spending the entire day fiddling with servers; and after 10 years of playing with Linux, including Gentoo and LFS, and knowing it well inside out on the low level side, I just want clicky-click-done. :) "
• 1790[10:58:16] <hanz_> armin: nice box :-/ but what is it?
• 1791[10:58:27] <armin> blackflow: lol
• 1792[10:58:45] <armin> hanz_: x86 something. runs pfsense perfectly.
• 1793[10:58:47] <hanz_> blackflow: Didn't know that dialect, where is it spoken?
• 1794[10:58:53] <blackflow> ;)
• 1795[10:59:18] <hanz_> armin: The other day I've seen a very nice RouterBoard, PowerPC of course...
• 1796[10:59:26] <armin> hanz_: i used a 486 with debian as a router for years until it got too slow. ;)
• 1797[10:59:40] <hanz_> dat power consumption...
• 1798[10:59:48] <armin> areplaced-url
• 1799[11:01:05] <armin> hanz_: yeah those were the reasons to look for something different... i also abandoned my workstation pc in favor of less power consumption and now exclusively use thinkpads (x220) with freebsd or linux (debian, voidlinux).
• 1800[11:01:12] <blackflow> so what's recommended for Debian these days in the DE department. xfce? KDE? (remember, I want clicky-click done, no fiddling with i3 any more)
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• 1802[11:01:37] <armin> blackflow: i'd totally recommend xfce.
• 1803[11:01:43] <hanz_> blackflow: u likes the animations?
• 1804[11:01:51] <hanz_> blackflow: GTK or Qt?
• 1805[11:01:52] <blackflow> don't particularly care about animations
• 1806[11:02:24] <hanz_> blackflow: Then I think it's mostly what applications you use and where they feel at home
• 1807[11:02:33] <blackflow> hanz_: doesn't matter as long as it's nice to look at, ie no raw, prehistoric gtk2. even kde<5 looks a bit ugly nowadays :)
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• 1810[11:03:03] <hanz_> blackflow: Then I would go with KDE, even though you can make Xfce look really nice-looking
• 1811[11:03:14] <jelly> xfce is still gtk2. debian 8 still has kde4
• 1812[11:03:41] <blackflow> jelly: I'm running stretch
• 1813[11:03:41] <dutchfish> blackflow, i left gnome a couple of years ago, i use kde for my userbase setup, i myself prefer still the console with or without a wm, any wm for me goes depending on the capabilities of the hardware and i am picky about that, i hate blobs for LAN/WIFI.
• 1814[11:03:51] <jelly> blackflow: you're in wrong channel then
• 1815[11:03:53] <blackflow> I'll check out xfce
• 1816[11:04:11] <jelly> !debian-next
• 1817[11:04:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1818[11:04:16] <blackflow> jelly: k, thanks. :)
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• 1821[11:04:49] <jelly> there's also mate and cinnamon to try I guess
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• 1823[11:05:50] <hanz_> mate is gtk2 though
• 1824[11:05:55] <blackflow> oh yeah, MATE's not bad. I used to run that on FreeBSD
• 1825[11:06:03] <blackflow> it is gtk2 but not raw
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• 1827[11:06:08] <hanz_> o.O
• 1828[11:06:18] <hanz_> whatever "raw" is
• 1829[11:06:29] <blackflow> looking like motif :)
• 1830[11:06:30] <hanz_> armin: replaced-url
• 1831[11:06:59] <hanz_> blackflow: ehrm, I think the only one you can actually make look like motif is KDE :P
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• 1833[11:07:19] <hanz_> But for Xfce/MATE, it's mostly a matter of which theme you apply
• 1834[11:07:30] <hanz_> I can recommend the Arc theme
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• 1901[11:50:21] <anondev> Hello, I'm installibg debian right now, does 'use entire disc and set up encrypted LVM' mean LVM on top of LUKS or the other way around?
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• 1908[11:52:14] <anondev> Or LUKS encypted LVM volumes
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• 1923[11:59:33] <DoctorD90> anondev,
• 1924[11:59:46] <anondev> Is the debian encrypted installation LUKS over LVM volumes or LVM volumes over LUKS?
• 1925[11:59:47] <DoctorD90> disk->LVM->luks :) (from my memory)
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• 1927[12:00:37] <anondev> Ah, thanks DoctordD90
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• 1930[12:01:26] <DoctorD90> lvm leaves you able to resize partition. LUKS not. so maybe i miss-remeber
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• 1932[12:01:39] <DoctorD90> probably is a disk-> luks -> lvm...
• 1933[12:02:02] <DoctorD90> so lvm is entirly encrypted, than you can edit partition inside lvm...
• 1934[12:02:17] <anondev> Yeah, thats what I want
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• 1936[12:02:36] <anondev> A single LUKS container with the ability to partition it
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• 1940[12:03:12] <DoctorD90> yea...disk-> luks-> lvm ..probably it is that
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• 1943[12:04:35] <anondev> How can I check, I'm ony phone
• 1944[12:04:43] <anondev> On my*
• 1945[12:05:05] <DoctorD90> better wait :P anondev
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• 2006[12:35:25] <huhMull> hey I <3 Debian
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• 2035[12:54:12] <Cyber_Pirate> /msg NickServ REGISTER >4k&AG mirkatoy1986@yandex.com
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• 2037[12:55:39] <Cyber_Pirate> /msg NickServ SET HIDEMAIL ON
• 2038[12:56:11] <Cyber_Pirate> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
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• 2043[12:58:39] <Megaf> Cyber_Pirate: oops
• 2044[12:59:32] <Megaf> thankfully your email password is not >4k&AG
• 2045[12:59:35] <Gabs5807_> anondev: should be so. otherwise you have to enter a passohrase for each luks partition ..
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• 2051[13:01:59] <Cyber_Pirate> Thankfully it is not :)
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• 2053[13:02:23] <Cyber_Pirate> Can I have some help?
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• 2055[13:03:10] <huhMull> ask yar question Cyber_Pirate
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• 2058[13:04:17] <Cyber_Pirate> How do I register my account? I used /msg NickServ Register password Email
• 2059[13:04:23] <Cyber_Pirate> but then my password went public
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• 2063[13:05:36] <huhMull> don't put a space before it
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• 2072[13:08:48] <Cyber_Pirate> Thanks HuhMull
• 2073[13:08:56] <Cyber_Pirate> it was the space
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• 2109[13:33:36] <Megaf> folks, how unsafe would it be to not use the security repo and only rely on replaced-url
• 2110[13:34:21] <jelly> Megaf: you'd miss security updates for months at a time
• 2111[13:34:31] <Megaf> so very unsafe
• 2112[13:34:34] <jelly> (until the next point release)
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• 2114[13:35:22] <Megaf> I don't know man, I use only things from the main repo, and in this case only a IRC client would be running on the machine, not even ssh would be present
• 2115[13:36:01] <jelly> security updates _are_ just for main
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• 2120[13:37:13] <Megaf> So I presume if there is a security update for lets say, for a firmware inside firmware-linux-nonfree I will be getting the update regardless of having security repo or not
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• 2123[13:38:38] <Megaf> anyway, thanks jelly. I will continue using the security repo
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• 2133[13:41:14] <jelly> ok _mostly_ for main
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• 2175[14:04:28] <mtcj> I have installed Kodi (from backports) on Jessie. I am noticing the interface runs very fast, seemingly faster than it should be. I am also noticing my computer making fairly audible hums- especially when navigating Kodi menus- that don't occur when it's not running.
• 2176[14:04:45] <mtcj> What are the peoples' thoughts?
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• 2179[14:05:36] <mtcj> Ah I am using fglrx also. I don't know if it's a graphics card making the noise or not.
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• 2182[14:07:35] <novatojessie> how can i watch replaced-url
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• 2229[14:34:22] <novatojessie> how can i watch replaced-url
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• 2254[14:49:51] <no_gravity> When a terminal with an ssh session freezes - any way to escape?
• 2255[14:50:01] <no_gravity> Or do I have to kill the terminal from the outside?
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• 2261[14:54:00] <hicks_> press enter ~ .
• 2262[14:54:06] <hicks_> to drop a ssh session
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• 2267[14:56:16] <akaro> Hello, i've been trying to make my elantech(synaptics driver) touchpad to turn off once i plug in the mouse. It seems that my udev rule what i got from arch wiki works, but libusb ignores it. I'm running Debian Stretch and here is some detailed info. replaced-url
• 2268[14:56:36] <no_gravity> hicks_: Thanks. Will try that next time.
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• 2274[14:57:57] <ByteStorm> hello ppl
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• 2279[14:58:53] <ByteStorm> i hav installed a base debian install with SSH Server,Xserver and VNC server(though it wasnt needed) in android with Linux Deploy
• 2280[14:59:11] <ByteStorm> but i cannot manage to connect to it using ssh
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• 2282[14:59:28] <ByteStorm> the android app i use to connect is JuiceSSH
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• 2285[15:00:03] <ByteStorm> i want to connect to the install,from my android ofcourse,through any means
• 2286[15:00:15] <akaro> are you connecting as root?
• 2287[15:00:22] <ByteStorm> yes
• 2288[15:00:26] <akaro> because by default sshd config denies that
• 2289[15:00:35] <akaro> try regular user and then su
• 2290[15:00:35] <ByteStorm> i hav rooted my phone,and hav busybox installed
• 2291[15:00:49] <ByteStorm> i also hav a terminal installed
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• 2293[15:01:18] <ByteStorm> idk,does linux deploy install the ssh configurations correctly?
• 2294[15:01:19] <akaro> make a regular user account on the install and connect like ssh username@hostname
• 2295[15:01:25] <ByteStorm> ok
• 2296[15:01:39] <akaro> because yeah sshd by default denies connecting as root
• 2297[15:01:41] <ByteStorm> well,one silly question
• 2298[15:01:51] <akaro> and you can always su into root once you are in as regular user
• 2299[15:02:04] <ByteStorm> does busybox hav ssh command?
• 2300[15:02:22] <akaro> no idea what is busybox, i just know about ssh a bit
• 2301[15:02:29] <ByteStorm> ok
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• 2303[15:02:54] <ByteStorm> so what steps i follow,srry for the childish behaviour,number wise?
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• 2313[15:05:58] <ByteStorm> one question btw
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• 2316[15:06:25] <ByteStorm> does "echo hostname > /etc/hostname" rewrite the install's hostname?
• 2317[15:07:09] <akaro> yes > overwrites the whole file, >> appends
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• 2320[15:08:43] <akaro> also by hostname i meant
• 2321[15:08:50] <akaro> the ip address your install has
• 2322[15:09:25] <akaro> gdi its android
• 2323[15:09:58] <akaro> first of all get into your wifi
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• 2325[15:11:37] <ByteStorm> ok akaro,ive chrooted the install from my android
• 2326[15:11:43] <ByteStorm> and my wifi is open
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• 2331[15:12:01] <ByteStorm> ok,tell me if im wrong but
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• 2333[15:12:18] <ByteStorm> first i hav to create a user n set its password
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• 2335[15:12:34] <ByteStorm> then i change the hostname using the above command
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• 2337[15:12:42] <ByteStorm> akaro?
• 2338[15:12:44] <akaro> no need to change the ostname
• 2339[15:12:54] <ByteStorm> no,just to be sure
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• 2341[15:13:01] <jelly> what is "Linux Deploy" in the first place?
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• 2343[15:13:27] <ByteStorm> replaced-url
• 2344[15:13:40] <ByteStorm> tht guys awesome
• 2345[15:13:56] <ByteStorm> i had tried his previous apps too
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• 2347[15:16:02] <akaro> is the android device connected to your wlan?
• 2348[15:16:12] <akaro> if you boot it into your debian
• 2349[15:16:18] <ByteStorm> no,just fuck it
• 2350[15:16:26] <ByteStorm> i cant type anything
• 2351[15:16:50] <ByteStorm> wtf,i hav to plug it to the computer
• 2352[15:17:09] <TomTomTo1> you have juicessh runnind on android and you try to connect from your computer to that device using ssh? because that will not work.
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• 2354[15:18:31] <ByteStorm> i want to connect my running debian install on android from another app on android(juicessh)
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• 2356[15:18:48] <ByteStorm> Linux Deploy doesnt allow to run the install by itself
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• 2362[15:22:17] <jelly> ByteStorm: presumably you can open a local terminal
• 2363[15:22:33] <ByteStorm> yes jelly,i can,but
• 2364[15:22:56] <ByteStorm> it wont allow to type anything to the terminal once i chroot into the debian
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• 2366[15:23:48] <TomTomTo1> what credentials did you use to connect with ssh?
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• 2370[15:24:26] <jelly> ByteStorm: does this happen only with a debian chroot or with any other chrot?
• 2371[15:24:31] <jelly> chroot*
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• 2374[15:24:38] <ByteStorm> i didnt use any credentials,and idk if Linux Deploy made any for me
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• 2376[15:24:47] <jelly> TomTomTo1: who said ssh?
• 2377[15:24:50] <ByteStorm> jelly only debian chroot
• 2378[15:24:57] <TomTomTo1> jelly: they did
• 2379[15:24:57] <ByteStorm> jelly i did
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• 2382[15:25:17] <TomTomTo1> ByteStorm: the github page says "After the initial setup the default password for SSH and VNC is changeme. "
• 2383[15:25:28] <ByteStorm> ok
• 2384[15:25:28] <jelly> ByteStorm: are you connecting via ssh protocol, or local terminal and chroot?
• 2385[15:25:51] <ByteStorm> i want to just connect...juicessh or terminal both will do
• 2386[15:25:55] <xxp> hello, to link another hard drive in my home. Is it better to make a hard link ?
• 2387[15:26:02] <ByteStorm> i hav no problem with any of them
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• 2389[15:26:51] <jelly> ByteStorm: juicessh can do both ssh or open a terminal with a local shell. Which of the two are you trying?
• 2390[15:27:01] <ByteStorm> ssh jelly
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• 2393[15:27:23] <jelly> and you can't type anything after logging in via ssh?
• 2394[15:27:27] <c0mrad3> I have problem with earphones with mic, mic is working on phone but not working on my debian system and other earphones with mic are working on the system, pointer to fix the issue ?
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• 2397[15:28:35] <ByteStorm> well jelly i cant login to the running instance of linux deploy
• 2398[15:28:49] <ByteStorm> but im rechecking my config of juicessh atm
• 2399[15:30:39] <jelly> that's not what you said earlier
• 2400[15:30:41] <jelly> <ByteStorm> it wont allow to type anything to the terminal once i chroot into the debian
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• 2402[15:31:13] <WormFood> What's a good bittorrent client in Debian, that will handle 1500 torrents? qBittorrent, and Deluge both seem to choke way before it even gets to 1000 torrents.
• 2403[15:31:47] <petemc> thats a lot of torrents
• 2404[15:31:50] <ByteStorm> well,tht was using another app called Android Terminal somethin to chroot into the device
• 2405[15:32:18] <ByteStorm> ok jelly
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• 2407[15:32:32] <ByteStorm> tell me what to do,ill follow ya
• 2408[15:33:03] <WormFood> petan, meh. It's not that many. I actually do try to seed back what I download, which is why I have so many at once.
• 2409[15:33:15] <petemc> how many tcp connections would that be?
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• 2411[15:33:30] <WormFood> They're not all active at the same time.
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• 2414[15:33:50] <WormFood> both qBittorrent, and Deluge allow you to specify the number of active torrents you have.
• 2415[15:33:52] <petemc> i use transmission, no idea if it could handle that
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• 2418[15:34:21] <xxp> ByteStorm: thanks
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• 2420[15:34:54] <ByteStorm> why xxxp
• 2421[15:34:58] <ByteStorm> xxp,
• 2422[15:35:28] <jelly> ByteStorm: did you try opening a local terminal in juicessh and chroot from there.
• 2423[15:35:34] <ByteStorm> no
• 2424[15:35:34] <WormFood> thanks petemc, I'll give it a shot, since my options aren't working so well.
• 2425[15:35:44] <petemc> np
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• 2427[15:36:16] <xxp> I have 3 directories : /dir/dir1/dir2 and I want find stops @ dir1. I tried --maxdepth 2 but i did'nt get any result. Where I'm wrong ?
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• 2430[15:36:48] <petemc> xxp: that should work, was your search string correct?
• 2431[15:37:17] <WormFood> --maxdepth won't work with find, because it's a single -
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• 2433[15:38:23] <ByteStorm> jelly im trying tht out
• 2434[15:38:29] <dutchfish> xpp, have you tried both options `-maxdepth 2 -mindepth 2` ?
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• 2437[15:39:19] <akaro> WormFood i'm using rtorrent, but be warned it has no GUI
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• 2446[15:44:47] <xxp> I didn't understood what I do wrong but now I get the result I want. Works ! Thanks for your help
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• 2456[15:49:08] <xxp> Thanks to all. Bye
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• 2475[16:01:10] <justel> best hardware utils in repos ?
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• 2590[16:51:13] <Megaf> folks, and do you think this is a good idea? replaced-url
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• 2598[16:54:27] <awal1> Megaf, good idea?
• 2599[16:55:22] <Megaf> If it is a good idea to have your server updating itself
• 2600[16:55:37] <Megaf> because something big might change and break something without you knowing
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• 2602[16:56:24] <missmbob> Megaf: doubt it. by default that only does security updates. nothing big. but anyway, i prefer to have the server email me when it needs updates instead of doing it itself. cron-apt or apticron or whatever
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• 2631[17:12:02] <martinnn> hi!
• 2632[17:12:14] <martinnn> i created a bash script with apt-get install less
• 2633[17:12:22] <martinnn> know it asks me to install additonal packages
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• 2635[17:12:46] <martinnn> how can i tell my bashscript to enter "y" when it asks this?
• 2636[17:12:54] <missmbob> -y
• 2637[17:12:58] <martinnn> thx
• 2638[17:13:05] <missmbob> martinnn: next time man apt-get
• 2639[17:13:12] <martinnn> thx
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• 2641[17:13:21] <martinnn> i have to install man before missmbob
• 2642[17:13:33] <missmbob> man is default
• 2643[17:13:38] <TomTomTo1> so is less.
• 2644[17:13:50] <tommyhaw> hey i have some trouble installing jessie 8.5 on a USB, in particular the problem regards the Nvidia960M
• 2645[17:14:35] <martinnn> not on this machine
• 2646[17:14:54] <TomTomTo1> then what are you running?
• 2647[17:15:07] <martinnn> netgears debian
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• 2653[17:16:40] <tommyhaw> if someone knows how to help me contact me in private maybe
• 2654[17:16:53] <martinnn> i try to install build-essential but i get
• 2655[17:17:00] <martinnn> The following packages have unmet dependencies: build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev-sparc64 but it is not going to be installed
• 2656[17:17:07] <martinnn> i tried apt-get install -f
• 2657[17:17:14] <martinnn> that didn't fixed it
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• 2665[17:20:54] <jmcnaught> martinnn: is this a sparc64 computer?
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• 2667[17:21:16] <martinnn> no only sparc
• 2668[17:21:33] <RoyK> is there such a thing as sparc32 anymore?
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• 2670[17:22:35] <jmcnaught> martinnn: it sounds like you didn't install standard packages. From what I understand Debian sparc support is limited as a "port" at this point. replaced-url
• 2671[17:22:49] <martinnn> i got a infrant sparc
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• 2673[17:23:23] <jmcnaught> a what?
• 2674[17:23:29] <martinnn> Infrant IT3107 Sparc
• 2675[17:23:51] <jmcnaught> oh, well take a look at that link and the install manuals for supported systems
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• 2677[17:24:30] <martinnn> thx
• 2678[17:25:12] <jmcnaught> it's quite possible that not all packages are built for sparc these days, the above info looks like it's for wheezy
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• 2689[17:31:26] <thadtheman> xinput misidentifies my keyboard and and mouse. How can I fix that?
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• 2692[17:32:19] <thadtheman> Oh and in that installlation my keybnoard and mouse don't work.
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• 2694[17:33:20] <danny_> when running a server should I log in as root or make another account and sudo in it?
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• 2699[17:34:53] <Fat-Zer> hi there, after yet another update, lvm initialization started to fail on boot...
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• 2701[17:35:18] <jmcnaught> danny_: you can also use another account and use "su -l" to become root. Keep in mind that the default Debian sshd config does not allow root logins with password
• 2702[17:35:40] <Fat-Zer> the /dev/dm/dm-* device are created, but /dev/mapper/* and /dev/VG/LV are not
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• 2704[17:36:27] <danny_> jmcnaught, that means that when I ssh into the server I can't ssh into the root account?
• 2705[17:36:37] <Fat-Zer> /dev/mapper/* symlinks appears after running "usevadm trigger"
• 2706[17:36:50] <Fat-Zer> *udevadm
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• 2709[17:37:40] <jmcnaught> danny_: it means if you want to "ssh root@server.example.com" then either root needs SSH keys set up, or you need to change the config in /etc/sshd_config (but don't do that, use keys)
• 2710[17:37:51] <Fat-Zer> /dev/VG/LV apperas only after running "vgscan --mknodes"
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• 2713[17:38:34] <danny_> jmcnaught, Ok, I'll just make another account and give it sudo rights then
• 2714[17:39:12] <Fat-Zer> but systemd still doesn't see those devices, and the worst it autounmounts them if I try to mount them manually...
• 2715[17:39:17] <danny_> I'm running open media vault over it anyway so I shouldn't need to ssh super often
• 2716[17:39:17] <Fat-Zer> ane ideas?
• 2717[17:39:48] <Fat-Zer> *any
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• 2721[17:40:43] <jmcnaught> danny_: still a good idea to start using ssh keys if you don't already. For granting sudo access there is no need to edit the sudoers file on Debian (unles you want to give limited sudo)... just do "adduser username sudo"
• 2722[17:41:04] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: i haven't had a problem like that before, but it sounds like it could be related to your LVM metadata.
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• 2726[17:41:56] <danny_> jmcnaught, I'll look into ssh keys, also this may be dumb, but is that related to ssl encription? if not should I also use ssl encription?
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• 2729[17:42:53] <jmcnaught> danny_: SSH and SSL (also known as TLS) are different tools, using both is recommended
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• 2733[17:45:59] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: hmm... don't really see how this may be caused by mistakes in lvm metadata... any suggestions? Note that I can do evrything manually besides mounting fs to a proper location because of systemd "smartness", so I assumed it's some systemd/udev issue...
• 2734[17:47:12] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: can you find log messages related to this?
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• 2743[17:52:10] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: I don't see nothing usefull besides that systemd is unmount the fs: journalctl -xe replaced-url
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• 2748[17:56:37] <Fat-Zer> systemctl -a replaced-url
• 2749[17:56:55] <Fat-Zer> ls -l /dev/mapper/ /dev/vg_*/* : replaced-url
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• 2753[17:59:46] <Fat-Zer> udevadm info /dev/mapper/vg_data-downloads: replaced-url
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• 2757[18:00:52] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: does vgdisplay show anything informative for the VG?
• 2758[18:00:53] <strk> how do I create a bootable usb disk on debian jessie ? "dd" failed, and all the tools I find on the web are not available as packages (usb-creator, unetbootin)
• 2759[18:01:32] <awal1> strk, just use cp
• 2760[18:01:41] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: sure: replaced-url
• 2761[18:01:43] <jmcnaught> strk: replaced-url
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• 2765[18:03:10] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: yeah that all looks normal to me. it could be that you are not seeing relevant log messages because the problem is happening in the initrd before logging starts
• 2766[18:03:15] <strk> awal1, jmcnaught I used dd(1) and did write to device (not partition). Just cannot confirm it's working (will try harder)
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• 2768[18:04:13] <l0llip0p> strk: dd if=path_to_your_unmouted_usb of=path_to_debian.iso bs=4M
• 2769[18:04:34] <danny_> Is there a good reason not to use ssl when sshing into my server? It seems to incur a small amount of bandwidth overhead but is that the only downside?
• 2770[18:04:44] <awal1> strk, cp path-to-your-iso-image /dev/yourusb ; sync
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• 2772[18:05:05] <awal1> that should work fine; it works well for me
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• 2774[18:05:31] <strk> just a note: the .iso is not the one for debian, but for xubuntu
• 2775[18:05:42] <missmbob> l0llip0p: to copy an iso to usb? you have it backwards
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• 2777[18:06:05] <missmbob> then ask #ubuntu
• 2778[18:06:09] <missmbob> !ubuntu
• 2779[18:06:09] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 2780[18:06:36] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: ok, I've rebuilt the initrd and rebooting...
• 2781[18:06:39] <l0llip0p> missmbob: lol too tired :D
• 2782[18:06:52] <missmbob> l0llip0p: one of the reasons it's better to use cp
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• 2784[18:07:37] <strk> still my question was about debian, not ubuntu. It was "how to create a bootable usb key"
• 2785[18:07:53] <TomTomTo1> danny_: ssh is its own crypto protocol. i don't understand your question.
• 2786[18:07:53] <strk> if the answer depends on the .iso input, then I'll look for more info about that
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• 2788[18:08:17] <missmbob> strk: it can. cp foo.iso /dev/sdX won't work for everything. works for debian. don't know about ubuntu
• 2789[18:08:33] <strk> ok, thanks -- guess I'll try to create a debian one then
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• 2792[18:10:51] <RoyK> danny_: ssh is "secure shell" with all the crypto you'll need, it's not telnet. SSL is rather dead anyway - TLS took over, but still unrelated to ssh
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• 2801[18:12:29] <missmbob> danny_: tls is used for web/email that type of encrypting. ssh has it's own encryption. you dont add tls on top of ssh which sounds like what you're talking about.
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• 2803[18:12:59] <danny_> missmbob, I thought that was exactly what you did, I appear to be dumb
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• 2805[18:13:24] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: nothing happen as expected... here is the state after boot:s -l /dev/dm-* /dev/mapper/ /dev/vg_*/* 2>&1 | pastebinitttp://paste.debian.net/793567/
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• 2807[18:13:30] <Fat-Zer> *ls
• 2808[18:13:46] <Fat-Zer> journalctl -xe replaced-url
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• 2812[18:15:11] <Fat-Zer> vgdisplay replaced-url
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• 2814[18:16:20] <Fat-Zer> udevadm info /dev/dm-2 : replaced-url
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• 2817[18:16:48] <Fat-Zer> as you see the problem is udev somewhy doesn't create symlinks...
• 2818[18:16:53] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: do you have the lvm2-lvmetad.socket active? I'm just reading /usr/share/doc/lvm2/udev_assembly.txt but i'm also on a bus right now
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• 2829[18:20:16] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: yes, systemctl status lvm2-lvmetad.{service,socket} | pastebinit
• 2830[18:20:17] <Fat-Zer> replaced-url
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• 2853[18:29:05] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: sorry my connection is getting spotty. best i can recommend is to review the docs in /usr/share/doc/lvm2. good luck, i might be around later
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• 2855[18:31:40] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: I'll try, but I believe it will bring nothing due to problem is located somethere around udev/systemd... thanks for your help anyway...
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• 2858[18:32:56] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: well those docs do give some info on how udev assembles the PVs into VGs and LVs with lvmetad, but i think this is happening in the initrd for you
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• 2875[18:42:13] <Magissia> Hello, is there anything specific to do to get .service files bundled in the final package when building packages ?
• 2876[18:42:54] <Magissia> The files are nammed $package.$servicename.service and stored inside debian folder
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• 2878[18:44:39] <danny_> is keepass a good way to store all of my sensitive passwords?
• 2879[18:45:00] <missmbob> yes
• 2880[18:45:17] <danny_> good, I just wanted to be sure before I put even more of my life into it
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• 2884[18:47:30] <Magissia> Is there a more suited channel for my file packaging questions than here ? If so, where ?
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• 2892[18:49:15] <TomTomTo1> Magissia: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org is the usual place for packaging questions.
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• 2898[18:50:39] <Magissia> TomTomTo1: thanks
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• 2919[18:57:50] <akaro> hello, i'm trying to make an udev rule which would disable touchpad on my laptop once mouse is plugged in, detailed post is on stackexchange: replaced-url
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• 2933[19:02:43] <spacebug^> In debian if networkmanager doesn't get an IP without 45 seconds it timeouts and never tries again. In Ubuntu, it does. Why is that, and how can I change that? (If I restart my router, it takes more than 45 seconds. I should not have to unplug/replug the cable or disconnect/connect the interface manually for it to work)
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• 2967[19:19:32] <jim> is the atom editor packaged for debian?
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• 2970[19:19:57] <jim> (and yeah, I searched first, no interesting results)
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• 2972[19:20:38] <missmbob> jim: these folks have it in their apt repository replaced-url
• 2973[19:21:00] <missmbob> jim: replaced-url
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• 2975[19:21:09] <missmbob> jim: that git's readme has the sources.list line and key
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• 2978[19:22:15] <jim> thanks much... I';ll look at that
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• 2999[19:30:42] <anondev> hello, how can I completely remove the default desktop environment for debian?
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• 3005[19:34:09] <dutchfish> anondev, take a peak at `tasksel --help` or `tasksel --list-tasks`
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• 3009[19:35:43] <dutchfish> anondev, starting it in interactive mode, gives you the ability to select/unselect a task.
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• 3011[19:36:37] <_rubik> So, whats the best way of installing leiningen. I've seen a few seperate ways and they all seem fairly awkward.
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• 3022[19:40:36] <stephanie92> hey guys ;3 can base64 has an = sign in it?
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• 3024[19:41:16] <stephanie92> because i'm trying to decode base64 and at the very end there are two == signs
• 3025[19:41:22] <jelly> stephanie92: yes. echo -n a | base64
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• 3028[19:41:56] <stephanie92> jelly: Any recommendation on how I should decode it?
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• 3031[19:42:07] <dutchfish> _rubik, you could try to package it for debian, as far as i know, it is not in the repo's (yet)
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• 3034[19:42:26] <dutchfish> ,version leiningen
• 3035[19:42:27] <judd> Package: leiningen on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.7.1-1
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• 3037[19:43:25] <jelly> stephanie92: it's padding. Are you reading rfc4648?
• 3038[19:43:33] <dutchfish> _rubik, clojure however is
• 3039[19:43:42] <stephanie92> jelly: just the wiki
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• 3041[19:44:23] <jelly> if you're implementing a standard, reading the actual specification can be useful
• 3042[19:44:40] <_rubik> dutchfish: I downloaded the source but I'm getting 'cannot fstat...'
• 3043[19:45:08] <_rubik> dutchfish: I might be going about this wrong. I've never installed from source .dsc before.
• 3044[19:45:43] <stephanie92> jelly: but yeah i did see something about it being padding which confused me.. which is why i came here xD
• 3045[19:46:38] <dutchfish> _rubik, well an ftstat() error typically is produced in bad code or missing dependecies, see also #include <sys/stat.h>
• 3046[19:47:01] <dutchfish> _rubik, probably build dependecies
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• 3048[19:47:22] <dutchfish> s/ftstat()/fstat()
• 3049[19:47:34] <_rubik> dutchfish: yeah, I'll go see if/what I'm missing
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• 3053[19:49:28] <dutchfish> _rubik, hint libc6-dev
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• 3063[19:53:09] <dutchfish> _rubik, apt-file is your friend ;)
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• 3068[19:53:58] <_rubik> dutchfish: That was not it, but I know it is looking for the orig.tar.gz
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• 3075[19:54:32] <winsen> hi all
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• 3077[19:55:10] <winsen> does anyone know alternative graphically to extundelete? thanks
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• 3079[19:55:40] <dutchfish> _rubik, mm... just dget -x <link to debian repo>.dsc | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -uc -ub (inside the deb dir), to recontruct the deb file | it will barf for missing deps if any
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• 3083[19:56:07] <stephanie92> Any recommendations on converting base64 into a png
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• 3085[19:57:12] <winsen> any clue guys?
• 3086[19:57:18] <stoned> stephanie92, man base64
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• 3089[19:57:50] <_rubik> dutchfish: I downloaded the .orig...., ran it again, it created the lein directory. I think now I need to build the package
• 3090[19:58:38] <stoned> stephanie92, base64 -d INPUT HERE > something.png
• 3091[19:58:46] <stephanie92> stoned: thank you.
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• 3093[19:59:24] <_rubik> dutchfish: Ok running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b spit out the missing dependencies. Is there a shortcut to install theses without typing them all out?
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• 3096[20:00:12] <dutchfish> _rubik, copy paste, while removing the cruft?
• 3097[20:00:45] <_rubik> dutchfish: Ehh, thats what I was doing be hand. I'll live.
• 3098[20:00:58] <dutchfish> _rubik, way to go .....
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• 3104[20:01:12] <_rubik> dutchfish: Wait, I can jsut run -f install. easy
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• 3114[20:04:21] <dutchfish> _rubik, or that
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• 3123[20:09:12] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I do the dhcp setup from here: replaced-url
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• 3134[20:12:35] <mint_> hi
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• 3136[20:12:58] <rabies> is there a way to force device redetection in the linux sata driver?
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• 3144[20:18:04] <zykotick9> anyone have a suggestion for getting weather updates from terminal? i've used weather-util from the repo for years, but now get 404s that say "This service is no longer available" :( weather-util and weather-util-data packages need updating/removal.
• 3145[20:19:36] <dutchfish> zykotick9, curl wttr.in/your_location ?
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• 3148[20:20:36] <zykotick9> replaced-url
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• 3150[20:20:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3154[20:21:46] <zykotick9> dutchfish: OMG! thanks! ascii art +100 bonus points.
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• 3157[20:22:10] <dutchfish> zykotick9, yw
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• 3168[20:27:49] <winsen1> hi all
• 3169[20:28:41] <zykotick9> dutchfish: from the <i'm sure you don't really care department> the flashing lighning bolt works in my urxvt but not in linux console or fb-term. but thanks again, that a WAY better forcast then i was getting previously.
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• 3172[20:29:57] <winsen> does anyone know how to get internet access faster? replaced-url
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• 3174[20:30:49] <mtn> winsen: faster? that is a function of your isp, not debian
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• 3176[20:31:32] <winsen> I mean either wlan0 or eth0
• 3177[20:31:48] <winsen> mtn: is that correct?
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• 3179[20:32:13] <mtn> winsen: no idea what you are asking. maybe try a complete sentence and explain what your real question is
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• 3182[20:33:18] <winsen> mtn: did you take a look on pastbin?
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• 3184[20:33:40] <mtn> winsen: yes, I did. what about it?
• 3185[20:34:08] <debidi> winsen: faster as in earlier in the system boot process?
• 3186[20:34:14] <winsen> mtn: I tried the followin configuration few weeks a go, I had problems with internet access : replaced-url
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• 3190[20:34:37] <mtn> !ask
• 3191[20:34:37] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 3193[20:34:51] <mtn> winsen: you need to ask better questions
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• 3197[20:35:21] <debidi> winsen: you likely want to use wpa_supplicat + ifupdown integration
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• 3203[20:35:49] <debidi> neither config is optimal
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• 3208[20:38:06] <antipsychiatry> Dr.Jeffrey Schaler: Psychiatry is a Fraud and Is All About Control
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• 3214[20:39:02] <debidi> nice, what better place to let the world know than #debian
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• 3220[20:39:56] <winsen> debidi: I am using dhcp, so I don't think so. few weeks ago it takes time to load my system because it took time to find my firmware iwifi ...(replaced-url
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• 3223[20:40:37] <debidi> winsen: dhcp over wireless interface?
• 3224[20:40:52] <winsen> debidi: right
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• 3227[20:41:48] <debidi> winsen: ok but you still need to perfm authentication with some wireless AP right?
• 3228[20:42:00] <jmcnaught> winsen: are you using a desktop environment? why not use NetworkManager?
• 3229[20:43:31] <winsen> jmcnaught: yes
• 3230[20:43:50] <winsen> debidi: "AP"
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• 3232[20:44:07] <debidi> access point
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• 3234[20:44:59] <winsen> debidi: why would I need to perform with...AP?
• 3235[20:45:29] <jmcnaught> winsen: if you want to use NetworkManager you can make your /etc/network/interfaces file look like the default (replaced-url
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• 3241[20:48:25] <winsen> jmcnaught: thank you, but i tried the first config you sent but it doesn't work correctly. anyway thanks
• 3242[20:48:43] <winsen> anyway thanks guys
• 3243[20:48:54] <winsen> I'll try to fix it later
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• 3288[21:07:08] <spacebug^> In debian if networkmanager doesn't get an IP without 45 seconds it timeouts and never tries again. In Ubuntu, it does. Why is that, and how can I change that? (If I restart my router, it takes more than 45 seconds. I should not have to unplug/replug the cable or disconnect/connect the interface manually for it to work)
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• 3293[21:07:58] <debidi> spacebug^: dpkg -L <networkmanager> and look for configs, read manual about config files if available, then perform adjustment
• 3294[21:08:39] <spacebug^> debidi: I have tried for a week now :/
• 3295[21:08:55] <debidi> spacebug^: maybe it's a dhclient issue
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• 3299[21:09:46] <spacebug^> debidi: I don't know. I'm looking at syslog for both Debian and Ubuntu and I see some differences but I can't figure out what it does different. Do not see anything different in the configs
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• 3301[21:10:54] <spacebug^> debidi: Debian "live-cd" and Ubuntu "live-cd" so it has nothing to do with my own setups
• 3302[21:11:56] <debidi> spacebug^: see if dhclient.conf has somethign about timeout, max retries, etc..
• 3303[21:13:13] <spacebug^> debidi: It has vaules for both timeout and retry. None of which it set in Debian. One it set in Ubuntu. Changing that setting to the same in Debian has no effect at all.
• 3304[21:13:20] <debidi> spacebug^: looking at mine, seems there are, tho commented out
• 3305[21:13:30] <spacebug^> yeah
• 3306[21:13:48] <debidi> spacebug^: maybe netorkmanager is passing a different config file to dhclient
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• 3309[21:14:25] <spacebug^> debidi: donät know where it should get that from? It's live-cds
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• 3318[21:17:41] <SerajewelKS> how do i debug cups claiming that a job completed, but the printer hasn't printed anything?
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• 3325[21:18:44] <johefernan> Guys
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• 3331[21:19:09] <johefernan> What about build a DNS Server with Raspberry?
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• 3333[21:19:15] <johefernan> Good idea?
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• 3336[21:19:35] <SerajewelKS> that depends what you want to accomplish
• 3337[21:19:39] <johefernan> Well
• 3338[21:19:48] <lord_rob> is OFTC down ?µ
• 3339[21:19:59] <jaggz> I can't seem to get my eth0 to handle network sharing (using networkmanager)
• 3340[21:20:02] <mtn> lord_rob: no
• 3341[21:20:03] <johefernan> I got a local mail server
• 3342[21:20:06] <spacebug^> debidi: from syslog replaced-url
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• 3344[21:20:19] <jaggz> system's internet connection is via wlan0
• 3345[21:20:50] <johefernan> spacebug: I wanna set it as ns server
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• 3348[21:21:31] <johefernan> point my domain to my local dns server
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• 3350[21:21:44] <johefernan> To query all DNS stuffs
• 3351[21:21:58] <lord_rob> mtn: I can't connect to oftc
• 3352[21:21:59] <johefernan> cuz my Domain provider doesnt have PTR,SOA,etc
• 3353[21:22:11] <mtn> lord_rob: I am on it right now.
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• 3355[21:22:36] <SerajewelKS> johefernan: that won't do anything for PTR
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• 3357[21:22:49] <SerajewelKS> PTR delegation is by IANA to the owner of the block
• 3358[21:22:59] <johefernan> Ufff
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• 3361[21:23:12] <johefernan> So I should point to a CLoud DNS service?
• 3362[21:23:14] <lord_rob> I was on it too but got disonnected and I can't join back anymore
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• 3365[21:24:02] <lord_rob> I guess the server is attacked or so ...
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• 3367[21:24:26] <jelly> Error connecting to irc4.oftc.net:6697: DNS lookup failed: irc4.geo.oftc.net.
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• 3378[21:26:59] <mtcj> I have installed Kodi (from backports) on Jessie. I am noticing the interface runs very fast, seemingly faster than it should be. I am also noticing my computer making fairly audible hums- especially when navigating Kodi menus- that don't occur when it's not running.
• 3379[21:27:01] <mtcj> What are the peoples' thoughts?
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• 3381[21:27:41] <SerajewelKS> johefernan: what i'm saying is that unless the owner of the IP block you need to set up a PTR record for allows you to change the record, you can't
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• 3385[21:28:27] <mtn> lord_rob: I see others connecting. maybe you can now, too?
• 3386[21:28:30] <johefernan> I'm the owner
• 3387[21:28:32] <johefernan> n.n
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• 3390[21:30:03] <mtcj> It occcurs to me the humming is from my TV, not my computer. Now I'm not as concerned.
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• 3397[21:32:02] <mtcj> Enabling vertical blank sync solved the problem.
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• 3427[21:39:04] <radw62> hello, the last days i were using debian as iscsi target
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• 3432[21:40:15] <radw62> howeverninwant to know if i can recover from it the files that the initiators could have in th disks, if theninitiators fail
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• 3435[21:41:47] <radw62> sorry for the spelling, ,the phone keyboard is slow
• 3436[21:43:12] <johefernan> radw62
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• 3438[21:43:25] <johefernan> radw62: ye u can
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• 3440[21:43:51] <johefernan> iscsi initiator is just a connector
• 3441[21:44:11] <johefernan> a network udp protocol conector
• 3442[21:45:07] <johefernan> localy u can mount ur target
• 3443[21:45:42] <radw62> johefernan: hello, , because i could use the disks as iscsi targets, even without formating or mounting in debian
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• 3456[21:48:55] <stephanie92> does anybody know how I can get my base64 code to output in a single line rather than a block of broken up lines?
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• 3458[21:49:52] <jelly> stephanie92: delete the \n new line delimiters from the output
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• 3460[21:50:19] <stephanie92> jelly: How is that possible? O_o i justt see text.. no \n
• 3461[21:50:28] <jelly> if it's your own code, you should know why you're outputting \n
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• 3464[21:50:51] <stephanie92> jelly: base64 newimage.png > lol.txt
• 3465[21:51:03] <stephanie92> then it outputs the code in blocks, not a single line
• 3466[21:51:21] <jelly> so you're using /usr/bin/base64, it's not your code?
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• 3470[21:52:15] <jelly> stephanie92: read the manual. "man base64", esp. the part about "wrap"
• 3471[21:52:23] <stephanie92> jelly: okay, thanks
• 3472[21:52:52] <stephanie92> jelly: yep i see it now, didn't even think to man it xD
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• 3474[21:53:25] <jelly> please do think to man in the future
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• 3536[22:21:14] <jcadduono> hi, i'm having trouble with bindeb-pkg build of linux kernel, at whatever step generates control.tar.gz inside .deb package. i assume this is done by dpkg --build ? anyways, the control.tar.gz gets cut off at 32K in the gzip stream making it impossible to make .deb for installing, any ideas?
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• 3540[22:23:29] <jcadduono> i have tried apt-get install --reinstall dpkg-dev with no success and debsums -c reports nothing
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• 3545[22:24:40] <missmbob> jcadduono: make deb-pkg. replaced-url
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• 3554[22:27:53] <jcadduono> same thing as make bindeb-pkg just mroe stuff and more broken debs
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• 3602[22:50:58] <qwertycat> hello?
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• 3612[22:56:20] <qwertycat> I have a problem with my fonts, does anyone know what packages you need to install in order to display japanese fonts? my music player looks like this: replaced-url
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• 3621[23:01:23] <awal1> qwertycat, fonts-dejavu may have support for oriental languages, at least it does for arabic, not sure for Japanese
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• 3623[23:02:08] <qwertycat> I'll try
• 3624[23:03:04] <qwertycat> nope, I don't know. my music player still displays a lot of boxes
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• 3628[23:03:37] <TomTomTo1> qwertycat: fonts-takao includes japanese fonts.
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• 3631[23:04:08] <qwertycat> I've already tried install it, in my file manager the files display just fine. but in audacious they are all boxes
• 3632[23:04:14] <qwertycat> mayby I'll try another music player first
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• 3634[23:07:02] <Dredge> Is the debian wiki down? (cant even ping it)
• 3635[23:07:23] <TomTomTo1> yup
• 3636[23:07:32] <awal1> down, yeah
• 3637[23:07:45] <Dredge> How long has it been like that?
• 3638[23:07:49] <awal1> qwertycat, aptitude search mincho
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• 3652[23:12:47] <yetanubuntuuser> is there a way to get an overwiew of which debian mailinglists exist without a browser ?
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• 3671[23:19:48] <musca> yetanubuntuuser: you don't like browsers?
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• 3675[23:20:22] <dob1> hi, are mount in fstab executed sequen
• 3676[23:20:23] <dob1> ops
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• 3681[23:21:05] <dob1> hi, are mount in fstab executed sequentially ? i mean can i mount a partition then execute a bind mount of a directory of this partition on the next line?
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• 3686[23:23:30] <tej-kweku> hello, I want to make a lightweight debian installation for my server so I was wondering which other directories apart from '/var/cache/apt' could I empty to make free space?
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• 3693[23:26:00] <mtcj> It seems the documentation at replaced-url
• 3694[23:26:25] <mtcj> The tftp server is configured incorrectly and so is /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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• 3699[23:27:55] <yetanubuntuuser> musca: well my browsers currently don't like to load lists.debian.org ..
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• 3701[23:28:37] <TomTomTo1> it's down. you will have to wait.
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• 3706[23:30:03] <TomTomTo1> oh wait, it's up again.
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• 3709[23:30:29] <Dredge> Anyone know where manpages.debian.org went? Looks like config (or it) got deleted
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• 3713[23:31:29] <TomTomTo1> yetanubuntuuser: check again. replaced-url
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• 3715[23:32:00] <larjona> Dredge there was a priblem with the server and the service has been disabled temporarily
• 3716[23:32:10] <larjona> Problem*
• 3717[23:32:15] <Dredge> Gotcha, thanks
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• 3724[23:33:39] <bibble> ipleak.net resolves OK using 8.8.8.8, but not with unbound doing direct lookup. any ideas why ?
• 3725[23:34:02] <bibble> unbound working fine for all other domains so far looked up
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• 3739[23:37:43] <Dredge> if you resolve it with your isp's dns server, does it work? (also if your host is in china, they appear to firewall that domain)
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• 3746[23:40:56] <Dredge> scratch the part about china blocking that domain
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• 3749[23:42:16] <bibble> Dredge: isp's is fine too. it's strange.
• 3750[23:42:41] <hassoon> ffs i can't get to install pcsx2 in my debian jessie
• 3751[23:42:48] <bibble> can only imagine ipleak.net has blocked the resolver
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• 3757[23:44:34] <jcowgill> hassoon: pcsx2 isn't in jessie
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• 3761[23:45:13] <hassoon> jcowgill: no in fact can't even install dependencies to get the programm compiled, i get stuck in a long god damn list of unmet dependencies
• 3762[23:45:23] <hassoon> then soon i lose my patience and postpone the whole thing
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• 3774[23:50:36] <yetanubuntuuser> tried my phone now
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• 3777[23:50:53] <yetanubuntuuser> it works there but not on my notebook...
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• 3779[23:53:34] <hassoon> anyone hwo can tell me why i can't install the 32-bit libraries for debian mentioned there? replaced-url
• 3780[23:53:39] <hassoon> anyone who *
• 3781[23:54:14] <hassoon> here, to be precise replaced-url
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• 3790[23:59:13] <Dredge> hassoon is it failing with errors or can i just not find the 32bit packages?
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