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1 [00:00:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, that seems to be the plan, as they've delayed by to months to wait for 4.10
2 [00:01:42] <capsloth> why they delayed if no one never said 4.10 was going to be LTS?
3 [00:01:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> why should that not be long-term?
4 [00:01:47] <capsloth> *ever
5 [00:02:03] <capsloth> because long-term will be 4.9
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10 [00:05:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> no idea, but I see Ben Hutchings as provider of several long-term kernel.org-kernels in replaced-url
11 [00:05:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> and he's one of the people maintaining the debian kernel and pops up in a lot of their bug reports
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13 [00:06:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> so I guess they know what they're doing
14 [00:06:52] <capsloth> Ok
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31 [00:17:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> capsloth, could be a mistake in the wiki… where did you get from that 4.9 will be long-term
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40 [00:23:17] <akoy> hi guys! Who remember me about yesterday with problem of root_via_NFS? Server is openSuSe and client is Debian
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44 [00:24:24] <petemc> i do
45 [00:24:29] <petemc> o/
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52 [00:26:18] <akoy> petemc: hi!
53 [00:26:24] <petemc> yo
54 [00:26:28] <akoy> found the problem about.
55 [00:26:38] <petemc> what was it?
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57 [00:26:41] <akoy> *not the solution*
58 [00:26:48] <akoy> replaced-url
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60 [00:27:21] <akoy> this explains ---> replaced-url
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63 [00:28:09] <akoy> I don't fully understan slangs of english/american language. And I'm also n00b about Debian. Could you please explain me what should I set in Debian, then?
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69 [00:30:43] <capsloth> CutMeOwnThroat, is official.. google for linux 4.9 LTS
70 [00:30:53] <petemc> akoy: default install should set interface stanza to manual, which is what that post says is solution
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73 [00:31:39] <petemc> akoy: which install media did you use?
74 [00:32:02] <capsloth> CutMeOwnThroat, debian will use 4.9 LTS now..
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76 [00:32:30] <akoy> petemc: I dd the *.img to a microSD card
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78 [00:32:48] <capsloth> CutMeOwnThroat, lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2016/08/msg00099.html
79 [00:33:04] <akoy> petemc: then the content of the microSD are rsync to my NFS export
80 [00:33:45] <akoy> petemc: I dunno how the SolidRun built the rootfs for the Cubox-I (is ar ARM board)
81 [00:34:09] <petemc> i dont either
82 [00:34:24] <petemc> its not debian?
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84 [00:34:29] <akoy> petemc: yes!
85 [00:34:43] <vitawong> hi, I just wanted to know how libre ASUS C201 <replaced-url
86 [00:35:46] <akoy> petemc: this is the *img file ---> "replaced-url
87 [00:36:02] <vitawong> I want to run GNU+Linux-libre(Trisquel/Parabola/Debian+XFCE) distro in it. And I have TL-WN722N USB WiFi Adapter. :)
88 [00:36:02] <vitawong> I want to run GNU+Linux-libre(Trisquel/Parabola/Debian+XFCE) distro in it. And I have TL-WN722N USB WiFi Adapter. :)
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93 [00:37:31] <petemc> akoy: i dont know anything about the images you use. network boot shit is easy to debug with tcpdump as its not encrypted. use tcpdump
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98 [00:39:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> capsloth, I see… those are from august… when you google for linux 4.10, you find news that debian wants to wait for 4.10 because that was predicted to be the next lts kernel
99 [00:39:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> capsloth, ah, just saw your last link
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105 [00:46:02] <akoy> petemc: gotcha.
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225 [01:32:37] <awal1> Any workaround for make 'menu' parse .desktop files?
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238 [01:36:45] <Ivoah> What exactly is the "Domain name" in the debian setup?
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240 [01:36:56] <Ivoah> What would happen if it is misconfigured?
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245 [01:39:11] <pingfloyd> Ivoah: are you asking what to set it to?
246 [01:39:19] <Ivoah> pingfloyd: I suppose
247 [01:39:26] <pingfloyd> are you on a registered domain?
248 [01:39:31] <Ivoah> how would I find out
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250 [01:39:47] <pingfloyd> you'd have the domain name registered with a registrar if you were
251 [01:40:00] <Ivoah> I'm setting it up with a college network
252 [01:40:01] <pingfloyd> is this just a home network?
253 [01:40:09] <pingfloyd> then likely it is
254 [01:40:22] <pingfloyd> so you want to use their domain name if it is on their network
255 [01:40:32] <Ivoah> What if I were to move the computer to a different network?
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258 [01:40:44] <Ivoah> Would networking still work?
259 [01:41:01] <pingfloyd> if it is a private network of your own, just using domain.test
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261 [01:41:41] <pingfloyd> there's a few other tlds reserved for private networks you can use that will prevent name collisions
262 [01:42:01] <Ivoah> What would happen if I just left it blank? Would things not work?
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266 [01:43:14] <pingfloyd> Ivoah: replaced-url
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287 [01:46:16] <Ivoah> pingfloyd: What would happen if I just left it blank? Would things not work?
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290 [01:47:51] <anonrate> Would it be abd if I compiled g++-6 to work with jessie?
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298 [01:52:55] <jim> , checkbackport gcc
299 [01:52:56] <judd> Backporting package gcc in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gcc-6-base (>= 6.1.1-9).
300 [01:53:25] <jim> , checkbackport gcc-6-base
301 [01:53:30] <judd> Backporting package gcc-6-base in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: binutils:native (>= 2.25.90) | binutils-multiarch:native (>= 2.25.90), binutils-hppa64-linux-gnu:native (>= 2.25.90) [hppa amd64 i386 x32], gnat-6:native [!m32r !sh3 !sh3eb !sh4eb !powerpcspe !m68k !mips64 !x32], g++-6:native, libisl-dev (>= 0.14), g++-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>,
302 [01:53:31] <judd> gobjc-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gfortran-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gcj-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gdc-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gccgo-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gnat-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>.
303 [01:53:40] <anonrate> Hi jim. :D
304 [01:53:43] <sypher> Woo, that doesn't look fun.
305 [01:54:18] <jim> does that mean you need to backport all that?
306 [01:54:30] <jim> hi
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308 [01:54:51] <jim> ,v gcc
309 [01:54:52] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:6.1.1-1; stretch: 4:6.1.1-1
310 [01:55:34] <jim> it might be easier to run a chroot
311 [01:55:49] <jim> what did you need gcc 6 for?
312 [01:56:01] <anonrate> So I can use c++14
313 [01:56:15] <anonrate> I want g++
314 [01:56:24] <anonrate> I wonder if I can do that.
315 [01:56:33] <sypher> anonrate: I think we're still curious as to the why.
316 [01:56:38] <anonrate> . checkbackport g++
317 [01:56:43] <anonrate> :(
318 [01:56:58] <anonrate> Just because it's the latest standard.
319 [01:57:12] <jim> what do you want to accomplish overall? (it's a comma, and you can also /msg jud checkbackport ...)
320 [01:57:22] <anonrate> Oh. Lol.
321 [01:57:25] <jim> it will msg you back
322 [01:57:48] <anonrate> And umm because I don't want to have to use flags when compiling with c++98
323 [01:58:04] <anonrate> Or is it c++03 that it currenlty is but experimental support for c++11?
324 [01:58:05] <sypher> This sounds like SNS.
325 [01:58:12] <anonrate> SNS?
326 [01:58:17] <sypher> !sns
327 [01:58:18] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
328 [01:58:26] <anonrate> Yup. Pretty much.
329 [01:58:42] <anonrate> No, actually not pretty much, that's exactly it.
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331 [01:59:26] <jim> that's as good a reason as any as long as you're willing to put in the effort
332 [01:59:41] <sypher> anonrate: Without the slightest amount of sarcasm, I applaud you for your honesty.
333 [01:59:47] <anonrate> Bruh, I have reinstalled my system over 20 times.
334 [02:00:11] <anonrate> I went to stretch because I wanted Plasma 5..
335 [02:00:20] <jim> I'm moreorless aware of that :)
336 [02:00:30] <anonrate> Yes you are jim, yes you are. xD
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338 [02:01:25] <anonrate> Well lets start cloning!
339 [02:01:46] <jim> heh... which option you going for?
340 [02:02:18] <anonrate> Ima try to compile it and what ever I need to do so.
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342 [02:03:47] <jim> ok, you might want to set the --prefix to somewhere like your home dir... unless you want to try the backport (which looks like a LOT of effort)
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344 [02:04:28] <jim> how much unpartitioned disk space do you have?
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347 [02:04:46] <anonrate> More than enough. Just a couple dozen TB...
348 [02:05:03] <anonrate> Not all hooked up at once of course.
349 [02:05:12] <jim> you... -could- install a dual boot
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351 [02:05:28] <jim> and install stable, upgrade it to testing
352 [02:05:42] <ivegotasthma> hello, is it possible to do a graphical installation of debian with full disc encryption with headless mode?
353 [02:05:45] <jim> you'd still have your stable laying around
354 [02:05:46] <anonrate> I've done that before. LMFAO
355 [02:06:08] <anonrate> With full disk encryption yes, headless part... I don't know.
356 [02:06:23] <jim> graphical headless?
357 [02:06:37] <ivegotasthma> headless encryption
358 [02:06:51] <ivegotasthma> ie, no headers
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360 [02:07:06] <jim> I'd say parts of this are possible
361 [02:08:51] <ivegotasthma> can you give me a link?
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363 [02:10:14] <sypher> Define "no headers."
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366 [02:10:59] <ivegotasthma> sypher: replaced-url
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368 [02:12:12] <jim> is dm-crypt where you encrypt a pv?
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370 [02:14:32] <BadSnappa> currently using Debian/Jessie on a laptop on which I've installed X/Openbox/wpa_supplicant
371 [02:14:52] <BadSnappa> How do I get systemd to start wpa_supplicant with my configuration file?
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375 [02:17:05] <BadSnappa> currently ExecStart=/sbin/wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -u -s -dd in wpa_supplicant.service
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377 [02:17:25] <BadSnappa> but my configuration file seems to be ignored. Starting it manually it's fine
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465 [03:12:41] <n11cky> can anyone recommend a disk setup for a laptop with an ssd and hard drive? Is it better to setup the ssd as a cache for the larger drive, or to put specific mount points ( /boot, /usr ) on the faster drive and mount /home on the larger one?
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468 [03:13:17] <bazhang> not really
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470 [03:13:46] <bazhang> whats the ram cpu and gpu on that
471 [03:14:08] <n11cky> 16gb ram, integrated intel gpu. I guess the crux of the question is how far bcache and lvmcache have come
472 [03:14:10] <daio> I would spend a few quid and replace the hard drive for another ssd
473 [03:14:14] <daio> far better heat and power profile
474 [03:14:30] <daio> if you need some cheap mass storage stick it on NAS or USB
475 [03:15:33] <n11cky> yeah that's a good point, I have some servers where I can store most of my data.
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478 [03:17:28] <daio> :)
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542 [03:58:40] <jak2000> hi
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544 [03:59:24] <jak2000> i have a server, strange if create a Raid-1 i dont see the space during the installation.... if erase the raid-1 i can see my hard disk, how to fix this?
545 [04:02:34] <anonrate> jim, wel it's doing something...
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547 [04:02:56] <anonrate> RAID1 youi don't get extra space jak2000
548 [04:03:50] <SwedeMike> jak2000: what server, how are you creating the raid-1? In a RAID card with BIOS?
549 [04:03:58] <jak2000> yes
550 [04:04:07] <jak2000> or can i create the raid 1
551 [04:04:11] <jak2000> during the installation?
552 [04:04:11] <anonrate> Good boy, so a real raid. ^.^
553 [04:04:15] <SwedeMike> so what kind of raid card?
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556 [04:06:14] <anonrate> Holy poo hole GCC is taking a long time to compile even with dedicated 8 jobsj....
557 [04:06:44] <jak2000> SwedeMike: replaced-url
558 [04:06:46] <jak2000> i have this
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561 [04:07:38] <anonrate> LOL! Integrated RAID.
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563 [04:08:10] <jak2000>
564 [04:08:11] <jak2000> Integrated ThinkServer RAID 100 (0/1/10/5)
565 [04:08:36] <anonrate> So it's not a card then.
566 [04:08:50] <jak2000> raid1, Mirror i choose 2 harddisks....
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568 [04:09:01] <SwedeMike> that looks like regular intel motherboard fake-raid
569 [04:09:02] <jak2000> my debian net inst not see the space...., why?
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571 [04:09:16] <anonrate> That's what I'm saying SwedeMike
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573 [04:09:42] <anonrate> What do you have the sata or sczi set to?
574 [04:09:45] <anonrate> Do you have it set to RAID?
575 [04:09:49] <anonrate> IDE or AHCI?
576 [04:10:04] <SwedeMike> hm, replaced-url
577 [04:10:04] <jak2000> in the bios/
578 [04:10:12] <jak2000> ?
579 [04:10:22] <anonrate> Yes sir.
580 [04:11:04] <SwedeMike> jak2000: so you've set the disks to RAID mode and then gone into the LSI configuration and created an RAID1 array?
581 [04:11:21] <SwedeMike> jak2000: as shown in the guide I pasted lin kto?
582 [04:11:25] <SwedeMike> link to
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585 [04:12:29] <jak2000> isnt diferent the bios
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587 [04:12:36] <jak2000> is a diferent bios
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590 [04:13:05] <anonrate> Just look for a settings that says IDE, AHCI or RAID
591 [04:13:05] <jak2000> wait i am publish a photos
592 [04:13:34] <SwedeMike> jak2000: replaced-url
593 [04:13:55] <anonrate> That is if you have a card, you don't.
594 [04:14:12] <anonrate> Oh wait.
595 [04:14:14] <SwedeMike> anonrate: it seems there is some kind of PCI device, so it's some weird in-between
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599 [04:14:44] <jak2000> replaced-url
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601 [04:14:55] <anonrate> Then he is going to need to find the drivers on the manufactures website, load them onto a usb and load the drivers during installation.
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604 [04:15:28] <anonrate> It looks like it.
605 [04:15:29] <SwedeMike> well, the pictures he posted now is frmo intel rapid storage RAID. That's not the LSI one
606 [04:15:30] <jak2000> SwedeMike see the images?
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609 [04:15:56] <jak2000> need more images?
610 [04:16:07] <jak2000> i am started the isntallation with a USB memory
611 [04:16:19] <jak2000> *installation
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615 [04:16:23] <anonrate> This is like when everyone was trying to diagnose why one machine wasn't connecting to this guys sever.. At the last minute after hours of trying to help him he mentioned one thing..
616 [04:16:26] <anonrate> Virtual Machine..
617 [04:16:40] <pingfloyd> jak2000: you should be able to get to raid configuration by ^-m on startup
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621 [04:17:41] <SwedeMike> jak2000: try the guide I pasted before, there should be a different menu to configure the raid in.
622 [04:17:57] <pingfloyd> anonrate: that's why I don't waste my time on people that can't explain their issue with any sense
623 [04:18:01] <jak2000> pingfloyd ok wait please
624 [04:18:05] <SwedeMike> jak2000: I have no idea if that will work, but could be worth a try. I can't find any resources how to install Debian on a setup like yours.
625 [04:18:23] <anonrate> Yup, pingfloyd was there. He knwos what's up.
626 [04:18:37] <pingfloyd> anonrate: like when you get someone asking for help but wants to spoon feed you information about their problem. They can fuck off.
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630 [04:19:12] <anonrate> Right? Like there is books that you can flip pages with spoons for.
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632 [04:20:15] <anonrate> You were actually one of the first people that helped me when I made my transition to Linux and I was at first using Kali.
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634 [04:20:39] <pingfloyd> anonrate: so you liking debian I take it
635 [04:20:39] <jak2000> SwedeMike
636 [04:20:42] <MadJin> names
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638 [04:20:52] <anonrate> Yes I do. Just the repos are old for jessie.
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640 [04:21:18] <anonrate> Right now I'm compiling gcc-6 for jessie.
641 [04:22:26] <SwedeMike> anonrate: what's changed in gcc 6 that you need?
642 [04:22:37] <jak2000> SwedeMike you mean follow this link?
643 [04:22:38] <jak2000> replaced-url
644 [04:22:40] <anonrate> c++14
645 [04:22:51] <anonrate> SNS is the exact reason why I want it.
646 [04:22:59] <SwedeMike> jak2000: replaced-url
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650 [04:23:50] <jak2000> SwedeMike i am havent problem create the raid
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652 [04:24:01] <jak2000> the problem is how to see the space on my debian installation?
653 [04:24:03] <anonrate> Oh buda, I can feel the heat coming from my RAD for my CPU....
654 [04:24:14] <anonrate> Configure it from in the installation.
655 [04:24:20] <anonrate> Set up the raid from there.
656 [04:24:25] <SwedeMike> jak2000: if you're not even willing to read the documents I paste to you, I'm not very inclined to try to help you.
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659 [04:24:40] <anonrate> Lets get the spoons.
660 [04:24:42] <jak2000> ok SwedeMike
661 [04:24:46] <jak2000> reading
662 [04:24:53] <SwedeMike> jak2000: that document shows a different way of creating the raid, in an LSI boot menu.
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665 [04:25:18] <jak2000> SwedeMike: intereting: Driver Installation
666 [04:25:18] <jak2000> A ThinkServer RAID 100 device driver must be installed before the operating system can
667 [04:25:18] <jak2000> use a RAID volume, or any hard drives connected to the controller when configured in
668 [04:25:18] <jak2000> RAID mode.
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671 [04:25:36] <jak2000> arghhh lose the links
672 [04:25:49] <SwedeMike> jak2000: that's probably for windows.
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674 [04:26:11] <anonrate> *Insert Meme Here of Jacky Chan touching the sides of his head*
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681 [04:28:19] <anonrate> jak2000, When you are partitioning the drives in the setup, are you using guided or manual?
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683 [04:29:27] <jak2000> guided
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687 [04:30:20] <jak2000> need be guided or manual?
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689 [04:31:00] <anonrate> Do you know how to do it in manual?
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691 [04:31:06] <anonrate> Do you know where to mount everything?
692 [04:31:19] <anonrate> What swapspace is? If you want it or not? Do you know all of this?
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695 [04:31:58] <jak2000> yes
696 [04:32:04] <jak2000> i have 32GB of RAM
697 [04:32:16] <jak2000> 64 GB of swa right?
698 [04:32:19] <anonrate> NO@
699 [04:32:26] <anonrate> You're going by Windows
700 [04:32:45] <anonrate> What is swap space intended for? Do you know? It's a serious in general question.
701 [04:32:49] <anonrate> Just want to make sure.
702 [04:33:27] <SwedeMike> ananke: well, that rule is a 30 year old Unix rule.
703 [04:33:40] <SwedeMike> ananke: to have 2x swap compared to ram
704 [04:33:44] <SwedeMike> bah
705 [04:33:46] <anonrate> Right?
706 [04:33:49] <jak2000> my tech tell me the swap would be the double of memory...
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708 [04:33:56] <anonrate> If???????
709 [04:34:00] <SwedeMike> ananke: sorry, I meant for anonrate
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711 [04:34:38] <anonrate> I know SwedeMike, but if he googled it he would of known.. Ya. Lol.
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713 [04:34:41] <SwedeMike> jak2000: that is an old rule that you don't really need to follow anymore. It demeds.
714 [04:34:51] <SwedeMike> depends
715 [04:34:59] <anonrate> jak2000, Do you thikn you're going to run low of memory?
716 [04:35:25] <anonrate> Yes, never follow that rule. If any rule, 1.2x physicaly.
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718 [04:35:45] <SwedeMike> I tend to not even add any swap nowadays on machines with large amount of ram
719 [04:36:21] <anonrate> Same here.
720 [04:36:41] <jak2000> then how many gb of swap recommend me? if have 32gb of ram?
721 [04:36:46] <anonrate> 24GB of RAM, on Windows I would use it all up if doing a render. On Linux... What you gonna do?
722 [04:36:48] <anonrate> Nothing.
723 [04:37:02] <anonrate> You're installation will not fail.
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725 [04:37:25] <jak2000> this server, if for proxmos virtualization of servers)
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728 [04:37:50] <anonrate> I assure you unless your installing off of a blu ray disk or 64GB flashdrive and choose to load it all into RAM..
729 [04:38:03] <jak2000> understand
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731 [04:38:21] <jak2000> then tou recommend me 128gb for swap?
732 [04:38:24] <jak2000> or more?
733 [04:38:36] <anonrate> Read what SwedeMike has said.
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735 [04:39:08] <anonrate> Swap is a lot slower than RAM.
736 [04:39:18] <anonrate> Do you think you're going to use all 32GB of it?
737 [04:39:33] <jim> you could have zero swap
738 [04:39:41] <anonrate> Exactly.
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742 [04:40:48] <jak2000> 0gb swap size???????????
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744 [04:41:36] <anonrate> Don't even mount it..
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746 [04:41:40] <daio> jak2000, 4G of swap
747 [04:41:44] <daio> is plenty
748 [04:41:45] <anonrate> Or do that.
749 [04:41:53] <daio> if your using more than that, your system is under powered
750 [04:41:56] <daio> or your loading it to high
751 [04:42:35] <daio> anymore than that, your system spends more time doing memory swapping than anything else
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753 [04:42:50] <daio> crippling bandwidth to your ram and hard disk at the same time
754 [04:43:03] <jak2000> ok
755 [04:43:24] <anonrate> You just wanted him to shutup, didn't you daio?
756 [04:43:36] <jak2000> replaced-url
757 [04:43:39] <jak2000> see please the images
758 [04:43:41] <daio> anonrate, his question was valid, the answers he got where stupid.
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760 [04:44:01] <anonrate> Ouch.
761 [04:44:02] <jak2000> replaced-url
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765 [04:44:23] <daio> jak2000, your installing to USB?
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768 [04:44:44] <daio> if so, use 0 swap
769 [04:44:51] <daio> the usb bus will be saturated enough
770 [04:45:03] <jak2000> manual partitioning: replaced-url
771 [04:45:14] <jak2000> daio yes i startup my server with a USB
772 [04:45:22] <daio> so you have a usb based root /
773 [04:45:25] <daio> and the rest is on local disk?
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775 [04:45:46] <anonrate> Or bootload on usb?
776 [04:46:04] <jak2000> bootload form usb
777 [04:46:12] <anonrate> You need to choose expert install, not just regular install.
778 [04:46:25] <jak2000> ok
779 [04:46:33] <daio> jak2000, well anyhow, if your /usr /home etc.. are on real disks, the initial thing I said was corect, use a 4G swap
780 [04:46:37] <anonrate> Are you installing the bootloader to the USB because you have EFI?
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785 [04:47:14] <daio> jak2000, and make sure the swap is on a real disk, not usb.
786 [04:47:28] <jak2000> yes
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788 [04:47:46] <anonrate> You don't need to install the bootloader onto the usb..
789 [04:47:49] <anonrate> Even if you have EFI
790 [04:47:58] <jak2000> see the images?
791 [04:47:59] <anonrate> I have EFI and I just installed it on the main drive.
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800 [04:49:15] <jak2000> daio, anonrate, SwedeMike replaced-url
801 [04:49:17] <jak2000> i am ok?
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803 [04:49:31] <daio> err
804 [04:49:32] <daio> ?
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806 [04:49:39] <daio> oh crap
807 [04:49:42] <jak2000> daio: replaced-url
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809 [04:49:43] <daio> I thought I was in #freebsd
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811 [04:49:56] <daio> well anyway, 4G is still the same rule
812 [04:49:57] <anonrate> Yes advanced then expter.
813 [04:50:07] <daio> and you will need advanced install or manual
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818 [04:52:24] <jak2000> replaced-url
819 [04:52:53] <anonrate> That is correct.
820 [04:53:07] <jak2000> how to see my Harddrive ?
821 [04:53:24] <anonrate> Use manual rather than guided.
822 [04:53:38] <Hello71> dd if=/dev/sda
823 [04:53:45] <RoyK> jak2000: if you can§t see the disk, you lack a driver
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825 [04:53:57] <anonrate> It's not a card.
826 [04:54:01] <RoyK> jak2000: lsblk or if that's not present, cat /proc/partitions
827 [04:54:02] <jak2000> detect disks
828 [04:54:03] <anonrate> It's integreated.
829 [04:54:40] <jak2000> arghh partition... only see my usb memory
830 [04:54:45] <daio> you could perhaps swap your motherboards display of your disk from whatever it is to AHCI/SATA/PATA
831 [04:54:46] <ananke> lsscsi is also decent
832 [04:54:59] <daio> perhaps RAID
833 [04:55:01] <daio> depending on board
834 [04:55:06] <RoyK> jak2000: /proc/partitions lists disks
835 [04:55:59] <jak2000> ok RoyK, see please:
836 [04:56:09] <jak2000> replaced-url
837 [04:56:38] <RoyK> oh - fakeraid?
838 [04:56:44] <anonrate> Yes sir.
839 [04:56:46] <daio> I would stick a RAID0 over those two raid!'s
840 [04:56:48] <daio> I would stick a RAID0 over those two raid1's
841 [04:57:01] <RoyK> !fakeraid
842 [04:57:01] <anonrate> Same here.
843 [04:57:01] <dpkg> Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. replaced-url
844 [04:57:08] <jak2000> now see: replaced-url
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847 [04:57:30] <RoyK> jak2000: classic fakeraid
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850 [04:57:52] <daio> jak2000, I would be half tempted to RAIDZ as well though, if you have the ram ;)
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852 [04:58:29] <RoyK> daio: doesn't require a lot of RAM to use ZFS unless you turn on dedup (don't do it - really!)
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854 [04:58:48] <jak2000> RoyK erase the raid?
855 [04:59:00] <jak2000> not like the: /proc/partitions list?
856 [04:59:02] <RoyK> jak2000: backup, create an mdraid, restore
857 [04:59:11] <RoyK> jak2000: don't use fakeraid
858 [04:59:14] <daio> jak2000, whichever way you go about it anyhow, you may as well use native raid provided by linux
859 [04:59:20] <daio> instead of using the motherboard fake raid
860 [04:59:25] <daio> it will not give you any performance difference
861 [04:59:35] <daio> it will make your disk access more awkward in your current config though
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863 [04:59:55] <jak2000> then isntall with no raid?
864 [05:00:01] <daio> and native raid provided by linux was wrong in what I just said, ... you may as well use software raid provided by linux
865 [05:00:02] <jak2000> wait i list the options of raid:
866 [05:00:06] <daio> instad of software raid provided by your mobo :)
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874 [05:00:49] <sypher> jak2000: Learn how to use mdadm in the installer to build a software raid array. mdadm arrays are very performant, just as much so as a fakeraid deployment.
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876 [05:01:50] <jak2000> 1) RAID0(Stripe) 2)Raid1 (Mirror) 3) Raid10(Raid0+1) 4) Raid5 (parity)
877 [05:01:57] <jak2000> wich use? or no RAID?
878 [05:02:05] <daio> in your situation
879 [05:02:09] <daio> no raid, unlss it via mdadm
880 [05:02:19] <daio> motherboard fake raid will make your install complex or not possible
881 [05:02:22] <daio> and will offer ZERO benefits.
882 [05:02:31] <daio> or head to ebay and get a 3ware or 'real' raid controller
883 [05:02:51] <jak2000> ok no raid
884 [05:02:59] <RoyK> jak2000: take an advice - use a separate drive (or two in a mirror) for the root - it doesn't need to be big - 10+GB should do - then use mdraid for the data on those big disks
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886 [05:03:19] <daio> this would be a perfect time to use a usb device as a primary install device
887 [05:03:26] <RoyK> jak2000: I've been working with storage for some 20 years and have learned that the hard way
888 [05:03:27] <daio> load the BASE os via USB, mdadm those disks together
889 [05:03:33] <daio> then mount them over your key mount points
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891 [05:03:52] <jak2000> ok wait
892 [05:03:54] <jak2000> no Raid
893 [05:04:00] <jak2000> start installation i am on root password
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895 [05:04:11] <RoyK> jak2000: do you have any data on those drives?
896 [05:04:19] <jak2000> not
897 [05:04:24] <jak2000> i can play with it
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899 [05:04:56] <RoyK> ok, do you have an old 80GB drive or an USB pendrive or something? probably better for the root than mixing data and root
900 [05:05:24] <daio> and usb pen is better than old drive
901 [05:05:27] <daio> can be cloned easy and cheap
902 [05:05:41] <jak2000> wich choose? 1) Guided use entire disk? 2) Guided use entire disk and setup LVM? 3) 1) Guided use entire disk and setup encrypted LVM? 4) Manual
903 [05:05:54] <jak2000> i have a 16gb pen drive...
904 [05:05:54] <RoyK> daio: not really - an old spinning drive will live longer
905 [05:06:26] <RoyK> jak2000: ok, use that, use manual install, create a mirror on it with just that drive and add another later for safety
906 [05:06:46] <jak2000> oo i see my 4 hard diks...
907 [05:06:49] <jak2000> 1tb each one
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909 [05:07:06] <RoyK> on those you use md to create a raid5 or raid6
910 [05:07:16] <RoyK> on top of those, put lvm
911 [05:07:22] <RoyK> then a filesystem on an lv
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913 [05:08:06] <RoyK> jak2000: always use LVM unless ou have a good reason not to
914 [05:08:20] <sypher> Why are we suggesting parity raid?
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916 [05:08:33] <RoyK> sypher: I am
917 [05:08:37] <sypher> Why?
918 [05:08:50] <RoyK> because unless he needs a lot of iops, it's safer
919 [05:09:00] <sypher> RoyK: Than a raid10?
920 [05:09:09] <jak2000> RoyK: replaced-url
921 [05:09:12] <jak2000> wich option?
922 [05:09:14] <jak2000> choose
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924 [05:10:04] <RoyK> sypher: raid6 on four drives means you can lose two drives regardless of where they are, raid10 on four drives can allow for two bad drives on either mirror, not both, the math is simple
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926 [05:10:47] <RoyK> jak2000: put lvm and the root on sde and do the rest later
927 [05:10:49] <sypher> RoyK: Then we get into UREs during rebuilds, etc. I know full well how RAID works.
928 [05:11:21] <RoyK> sypher: just trying to help out here
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930 [05:11:35] <jak2000> RoyK, put lvm........... mm how?
931 [05:11:37] <sypher> RoyK: Then don't be patronizing when someone else chimes in.
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933 [05:12:24] <RoyK> jak2000: sorry - first - choose sde and choose raid device - then create a raid1 with only sde
934 [05:13:03] <jak2000> ok
935 [05:13:10] <stoned> I would suggest zfs
936 [05:13:16] <jak2000> next question: create new empty parition table on this device?
937 [05:13:19] <stoned> because that's what I personally use for my storage needs
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939 [05:13:30] <RoyK> jak2000: then you should be able to choose md0 and select it as a physical volume for lvm
940 [05:13:38] <RoyK> stoned: not for the root
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942 [05:13:46] <stoned> no, for storage.
943 [05:13:47] <jak2000> yepri/log 15.5 GB FREES SPACE
944 [05:13:49] <jak2000> right?
945 [05:13:49] <stoned> not for root
946 [05:13:57] <RoyK> jak2000: yes
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950 [05:14:20] <jak2000> Enter, ask me: 1) create new parittion, 2) automatically partition the free space, 3) show cylinder/head/sector information
951 [05:14:21] <RoyK> stoned: I've worked with ZFS for ~5 years - I know it quite well ;)
952 [05:14:24] <jak2000> the first?
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954 [05:14:37] <RoyK> jak2000: pic?
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956 [05:15:31] <jak2000> ok
957 [05:16:06] <sypher> RoyK: Was going to ask you something a little offtopic, but you're not in #debian-offtopic.
958 [05:17:09] <jak2000> RoyK: replaced-url
959 [05:17:27] <RoyK> first choice
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961 [05:17:38] <jak2000> new partition 15.5 gb?
962 [05:17:44] <jak2000> primary or logical
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964 [05:18:28] <RoyK> p
965 [05:18:39] <RoyK> doesn't matter much, though
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972 [05:20:54] <jak2000> now? -->
973 [05:21:03] <jak2000> replaced-url
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975 [05:22:17] <jak2000> done setting up the partition right?
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979 [05:23:38] <RoyK> jak2000: set it to 'physical volume for raid' or whatever that was
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982 [05:24:24] <jak2000> pic
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986 [05:25:04] <RoyK> Use as: physical volume for (raid?)
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988 [05:26:46] <jak2000> yes i have this option selected
989 [05:26:46] <jak2000> pic
990 [05:27:03] <RoyK> no pic pasted
991 [05:27:10] <jak2000> replaced-url
992 [05:27:15] <jak2000> i am right?
993 [05:27:30] <RoyK> yes
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1007 [05:29:33] <jak2000> replaced-url
1008 [05:29:35] <jak2000> now?
1009 [05:30:00] <RoyK> jak2000: then place a raid on it, it'd be degraded, and on that, put lvm
1010 [05:30:14] <RoyK> yes, done
1011 [05:30:25] <jak2000> finish partitioning?
1012 [05:30:51] <RoyK> yes, you'll get back to the menu and then you can choose to put a raid on it
1013 [05:31:05] <jak2000> no root file system is defined
1014 [05:31:20] <jak2000> pease correct this from the partitioning menu
1015 [05:33:19] <RoyK> I didn't mean that - first you make a partiton for RAID systems - then you select configure RAID - then you create a degraded raid on it - then you choose that raid to create a physical partition for LVM and then you create a logical volume (LV) on top of that and on top of that, you choose to place your root filesystem
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1017 [05:33:53] <jak2000> v
1018 [05:33:55] <jak2000> replaced-url
1019 [05:34:08] <jak2000> configure Raid Software?
1020 [05:34:08] <RoyK> jak2000: it's a bit complicated at first, but when you get used to the layers of storage, you get used to it
1021 [05:34:20] <RoyK> yes
1022 [05:34:47] <jak2000> error :(
1023 [05:35:00] <RoyK> what sort of error?
1024 [05:35:08] <jak2000> pic
1025 [05:35:21] <RoyK> no pic
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1027 [05:35:51] <RoyK> did you choose configure software raid?
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1029 [05:36:33] <RoyK> jak2000: ?
1030 [05:37:23] <jak2000> replaced-url
1031 [05:38:01] <jak2000> i choose the second option: replaced-url
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1033 [05:38:20] <RoyK> erm - is that the USB drive from which you are installing the OS?
1034 [05:38:29] <jak2000> yes
1035 [05:38:39] <jak2000> need put other?
1036 [05:38:48] <RoyK> well, you can't install the OS on the install drive
1037 [05:38:50] <RoyK> obviously
1038 [05:38:52] <jak2000> ok
1039 [05:38:55] <jak2000> wait i start again
1040 [05:39:03] <jak2000> and... put other USB (a second USB)
1041 [05:39:09] <RoyK> you need another
1042 [05:39:30] <RoyK> hope you haven't written to that
1043 [05:39:40] <RoyK> if you have, you'll need to create a new installer
1044 [05:40:02] <jak2000> yes
1045 [05:40:06] <jak2000> rufus, is my friend
1046 [05:40:27] <RoyK> I don't know him ;)
1047 [05:41:15] <jak2000> same as unebotin.... or other.... but rufus is better
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1049 [05:43:49] <pingfloyd> don't use those
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1051 [05:44:07] <pingfloyd> !unetbootin
1052 [05:44:07] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
1053 [05:44:35] <RoyK> !usb install
1054 [05:44:35] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
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1057 [05:46:12] <jak2000> a memory with 2gb its ok?
1058 [05:46:26] <RoyK> should do fine for the installer
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1060 [05:46:37] <jak2000> for the raid not?
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1062 [05:47:08] <RoyK> installer on the 2GB thing, root on the 16GB thing
1063 [05:47:27] <RoyK> the raid is something you can think about later
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1065 [05:47:45] <RoyK> be it zfs or mdraid or whatever
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1067 [05:50:03] <jak2000> ok switched the mems
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1069 [05:51:09] <jak2000> pic
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1071 [05:51:39] <RoyK> jak2000: you have to post the pic, man
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1074 [05:53:09] <jak2000> 2.0 gb <---usb with debian installer, 15.5 gb Empty USB flash drive
1075 [05:53:25] <RoyK> seems good
1076 [05:53:41] <jak2000> upload the pic :)
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1078 [05:54:09] <jak2000> replaced-url
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1080 [05:54:22] <jak2000> choose the 15.5gb usb right ENTER
1081 [05:54:33] <RoyK> right
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1084 [05:55:06] <jak2000> select the partition table use: aix, amiga, bsd, dvh, gpt, mac, msdos, pc98, sun, loop ?
1085 [05:55:12] <RoyK> raid
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1087 [05:55:19] <jak2000> no raid option
1088 [05:55:20] <RoyK> just like last time
1089 [05:55:27] <RoyK> physical partition for raid
1090 [05:55:30] <jak2000> yes but not see
1091 [05:55:32] <RoyK> oh
1092 [05:55:37] <RoyK> partition type
1093 [05:55:39] <RoyK> msdos
1094 [05:55:49] <jak2000> ok
1095 [05:55:55] <jak2000> configure software raid
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1097 [05:56:03] <jak2000> now
1098 [05:56:06] <jak2000> a new screen
1099 [05:56:21] <jak2000> 1) create 1) MD device, Delete 2) MD device 3) Finish?
1100 [05:56:28] <jak2000> create... right?
1101 [05:56:28] <RoyK> create MD device
1102 [05:56:32] <anonrate> Just so I totally understand correctly, the linux kernel is the OS itself, ya? The the distro like Debian, Ubuntu and such just distribute the linux kernel but offer packages to be used with it from their repos?
1103 [05:56:41] <jak2000> wich type?
1104 [05:56:49] <RoyK> jak2000: pic?
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1107 [05:56:54] <jak2000> RAID0 Raid1 raid5? raid 6 raid10
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1109 [05:57:11] <RoyK> jak2000: raid1 - that's a mirror
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1111 [05:57:24] <jak2000> number of active devices?
1112 [05:57:26] <jak2000> 2?
1113 [05:57:28] <RoyK> anonrate: Linux is the kernel - the distro is the OS
1114 [05:57:34] <jak2000> (note i have 4 HDD 1tb each one
1115 [05:57:37] <RoyK> jak2000: 1
1116 [05:57:52] <jak2000> not accept 1
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1118 [05:58:04] <RoyK> jak2000: ok, 2, but only choose 1
1119 [05:58:05] <jak2000> continue and again ask me number of active devices?
1120 [05:58:15] <jak2000> number of spare devices?
1121 [05:58:18] <jak2000> for the raid1
1122 [05:58:26] <RoyK> 1 active 0 spares
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1125 [05:58:44] <jak2000> pic
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1127 [05:59:17] <RoyK> anonrate: android uses linux and is another OS than debian or ubuntu, but it's still linux in the core
1128 [05:59:50] <RoyK> jak2000: pic?
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1131 [06:01:04] <jak2000> yes uploading
1132 [06:01:52] <anonrate> I understand that, I'm just doing some more research on it now. At first I kind of thought it the kernel was the OS that literally has he needed tools to make an os work, but the distro just takes it and slaps it's own features to make it "Their" own. So like for example: To read disks in Debian, Debian made a command line app that used the Kernel Command line app. That's how I kind of saw it.
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1134 [06:02:32] <anonrate> I have always had a lot of questions about Linux as it has always faciniated me which is why I switched to it.
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1138 [06:02:47] <anonrate> I wont bother you with asking all of them though. I will just use the Googles.
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1140 [06:04:11] <jak2000> replaced-url
1141 [06:04:14] <jak2000> RoyK see?
1142 [06:04:35] <RoyK> anonrate: the kernel is just whatever the libraries like glibc and the rest inteface with
1143 [06:04:48] <jak2000> asterisk and continue?
1144 [06:04:52] <RoyK> jak2000: space, continue
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1146 [06:05:13] <jak2000> write changes...
1147 [06:05:23] <RoyK> then configure LVM
1148 [06:05:30] <jak2000> returned me to menu create md device
1149 [06:05:33] <jak2000> or delete md device
1150 [06:05:35] <jak2000> or finish
1151 [06:05:38] <jak2000> now finish right?
1152 [06:05:38] <RoyK> create a smallish LV on top of that
1153 [06:05:40] <RoyK> finish
1154 [06:05:43] <anonrate> Would be safe to say that it's kind of an API or a Framework, but not at the sametime?
1155 [06:05:55] <jak2000> now configure the LVM ?
1156 [06:06:02] <RoyK> create a smallish LV on top of that like 4GB and another one like 1-2GB for swap
1157 [06:06:26] <jak2000> create volume group
1158 [06:06:35] <RoyK> anonrate: no, it's far lower level than that, but somehow the same thing
1159 [06:06:38] <RoyK> jak2000: yes
1160 [06:06:56] <anonrate> Just seeing the samething part I understand a whole lot more now.
1161 [06:07:28] <RoyK> anonrate: good
1162 [06:07:57] <jak2000> creaated a 4gb and 2gb lvm
1163 [06:08:01] <jak2000> finish right?
1164 [06:08:07] <RoyK> yes
1165 [06:08:10] <jak2000> now?
1166 [06:08:13] <jak2000> pic?
1167 [06:08:24] <RoyK> and the set mountpoint to / for the 4GB thing and set the 2GB to swap
1168 [06:08:44] <anonrate> The kernel just translates binary so to speak?
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1171 [06:09:22] <jak2000> ext4? right?
1172 [06:09:28] <RoyK> anonrate: it's the abstraction layer between the hardware and the libraries
1173 [06:09:41] <RoyK> jak2000: or xfs or jfs or btrfs or whatever - ext4 should work well
1174 [06:10:05] <jak2000> i am here:
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1176 [06:10:45] <RoyK> jak2000: imho ext4 is the best proven fs for linux so far, but it lacks good support for large filesystems (as in 10+TB)
1177 [06:11:05] <jak2000> pic
1178 [06:11:14] <RoyK> pica pica
1179 [06:11:28] <jak2000> i am here:
1180 [06:11:40] <RoyK> pica pica pica are starting to wake up here
1181 [06:11:49] <jak2000> replaced-url
1182 [06:11:51] <jak2000> now?
1183 [06:11:59] <jak2000> finish partitioning?
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1185 [06:12:10] <RoyK> looks good
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1188 [06:13:19] <jak2000> then finish right?
1189 [06:14:08] <RoyK> aye
1190 [06:14:29] <jak2000> ok
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1194 [06:15:32] <jak2000> now install base system?
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1196 [06:15:43] <RoyK> yes
1197 [06:15:46] <RoyK> as usual
1198 [06:16:12] <jak2000> ENTER
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1200 [06:17:43] <jak2000> ............... installing core packages..............
1201 [06:18:06] <jak2000> 33%
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1203 [06:18:44] <jak2000> mmmm not like me 33% ...
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1205 [06:19:15] <jak2000> ooo 34%
1206 [06:19:38] <RoyK> jak2000: replaced-url
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1211 [06:20:36] <jak2000> :)
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1213 [06:21:37] <RoyK> there's an xkcd for most things ;)
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1215 [06:21:56] <jak2000> mmm for a programmer Java Programmer?
1216 [06:22:01] <jak2000> 35% arghhhh
1217 [06:22:30] <RoyK> anything in dmesg?
1218 [06:22:41] <jak2000> i am wait, 4 minutes
1219 [06:22:43] <RoyK> alt+right - press enter
1220 [06:23:16] <jak2000> mounted filesystem with ordered data mode
1221 [06:23:20] <jak2000> how to return ?
1222 [06:23:31] <RoyK> alt+left
1223 [06:23:41] <jak2000> 36%
1224 [06:23:48] <RoyK> oh well
1225 [06:24:06] <RoyK> probably a slow pen drive or slow usb port
1226 [06:24:14] <jak2000> slow pen drive
1227 [06:24:51] <RoyK> well, mostly very little i/o goes to the root except logging
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1233 [06:27:39] <jak2000> :( 37%
1234 [06:28:19] <pingfloyd> on windows it's got up to 98% in a few seconds and then sits there for days
1235 [06:28:36] <pingfloyd> it goes up to*
1236 [06:28:46] <RoyK> hence the xkcd ;)
1237 [06:28:55] <jak2000> 38%
1238 [06:29:31] <RoyK> jak2000: you'll be kicked for flooding if you don't stop posting every percentage of that installation ;)
1239 [06:30:10] <johnkeates> 39%?
1240 [06:30:20] <RoyK> 324%
1241 [06:30:24] <jak2000> yes
1242 [06:30:33] <johnkeates> 9001% (because, over 9000 you know)
1243 [06:30:38] <jak2000> understand, johnkeates done
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1245 [06:30:58] <RoyK> tell me at 42% because as you know, 42 is the answer!
1246 [06:31:06] <johnkeates> yes it is
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1249 [06:31:46] <RoyK> (the angle of the sun at which a rainbow is possible)
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1251 [06:32:29] <stoned> But what is the question?
1252 [06:32:33] * RoyK saw this picture once posted on social media "My mom is my angle"
1253 [06:32:40] <stoned> angle?
1254 [06:32:44] <RoyK> :D
1255 [06:32:44] <stoned> brilliant.
1256 [06:32:44] <johnkeates> anglr
1257 [06:33:09] <johnkeates> imagine finding your mom in a sex dating app
1258 [06:33:26] <RoyK> stoned: i guess the lady in question wasn't very good at grammars
1259 [06:33:34] <johnkeates> all of the grammars?
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1264 [06:35:08] <RoyK> replaced-url
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1266 [06:38:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1650
1267 [06:39:16] <RoyK> jak2000: heh - any progress?
1268 [06:40:54] <jak2000> 48%
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1270 [06:42:37] <RoyK> get a new and faster USB stick somewhere and just add it to the mirror - create a bitmap for the raid - then remove the other and --re-add the old one with --write-mostly and you'll have the redundancy you want and the read speed of the new one
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1273 [06:45:33] <RoyK> jak2000: if the new pendrive is smaller (it might be, pendrives aren't standardised in size such as HDDs are nowadays) you may have to use pvreduce first
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1275 [06:46:30] <jak2000> i am can wait 51%
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1290 [06:50:53] <MaBunny> hello guys
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1298 [06:51:50] <MaBunny> are there support for touchscreen in debian jessie repos?
1299 [06:51:56] <jak2000> RoyK not sleep: 58%
1300 [06:52:29] <MaBunny> i am installing debian for my smartpone to use it anywhere i go
1301 [06:52:47] <MaBunny> and i want to hav a console system only
1302 [06:53:01] <RoyK> MaBunny: touchscreens mostly work as mice
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1304 [06:53:27] <MaBunny> but what im asking is tht is there support for touchscreens,as i would require the
1305 [06:53:51] <MaBunny> android keyboard to type the commands
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1307 [06:54:15] <MaBunny> i also plan to buy a bluetooth keyboard
1308 [06:54:40] <johnkeates> no.
1309 [06:54:49] <johnkeates> gui required
1310 [06:54:59] <MaBunny> ok
1311 [06:55:33] <MaBunny> the fact is ttht im installing the debian on a fat32 scdcard and
1312 [06:55:46] <MaBunny> fat32 only supports till 4gb files
1313 [06:56:03] <MaBunny> hav you guys ever tried installing debian on android
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1318 [06:58:51] <MaBunny> or should i try chrooting the install from my android,open ssh in my computer and ssh into the install and load the kernel modules required?
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1322 [07:01:06] <unborn> MaBunny: replaced-url
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1326 [07:04:06] <ransur0t> leave #debian
1327 [07:04:15] <MaBunny> yeah i had seen tht page b4
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1329 [07:04:33] <MaBunny> and i hav linux deploy on my phone,just dont kno how to use it
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1331 [07:05:08] <johnkeates> it's not for that form factor
1332 [07:05:12] <johnkeates> it will not work well
1333 [07:05:13] <johnkeates> don't do it
1334 [07:05:34] <jak2000> done
1335 [07:05:48] <jak2000> kernek to install
1336 [07:06:24] <jak2000> 1) linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 2)linux-image-amd64 ?
1337 [07:06:29] <jak2000> wich?
1338 [07:06:35] <johnkeates> both
1339 [07:06:39] <johnkeates> add freebsd too
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1341 [07:06:41] <MaBunny> depends upon your hardware
1342 [07:06:54] <MaBunny> well
1343 [07:06:57] <MaBunny> nvr mind
1344 [07:07:08] <jak2000> Royk?
1345 [07:07:16] <jak2000> the second?
1346 [07:07:26] <MaBunny> linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
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1351 [07:11:10] <MaBunny> replaced-url
1352 [07:11:24] <MaBunny> *thn linux deploy
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1354 [07:12:58] <jak2000> drivers to include in the initrd?
1355 [07:13:15] <jak2000> generic or targeted?
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1360 [07:21:11] <MaBunny> ,v judd Openbox
1361 [07:21:12] <judd> No package named 'judd' was found in amd64.
1362 [07:21:21] <MaBunny> ,v Openbox
1363 [07:21:22] <judd> No package named 'Openbox' was found in amd64.
1364 [07:22:04] <MaBunny> ,v armhf Openbox
1365 [07:22:05] <judd> No package named 'armhf' was found in amd64.
1366 [07:22:21] <MaBunny> ,v Openbox armhf
1367 [07:22:22] <judd> No package named 'Openbox' was found in armhf.
1368 [07:22:45] <MaBunny> ,v Openbox armel
1369 [07:22:46] <judd> No package named 'Openbox' was found in armel.
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1374 [07:25:24] <imthenachoman> hey guys...i am using the non-free iso. the deb files are in the firmware folder. when i try the installer can't find them
1375 [07:26:49] <MaBunny> you use the iso from the installer cd
1376 [07:27:00] <MaBunny> during installation process
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1380 [07:28:49] <imthenachoman> i am. i say load it but it doesn't load
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1384 [07:30:39] <OtakuSenpai> maybe you need to write tht iso to a pendrive/cd and load tht cd during installation process...idk havent tried it
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1386 [07:31:12] <OtakuSenpai> what steps did you follow?
1387 [07:31:42] <imthenachoman> i download the +nonfree ISO, it has debian install AND firmware. i boot it up, installation starts, but it doesn't find the firmware. i just copied the firmware to a second USB and plugged that in and it seems to have worked
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1389 [07:32:44] <imthenachoman> odd
1390 [07:33:10] <pingfloyd> which method did you use to put the installer on the usb stick?
1391 [07:33:43] <imthenachoman> i used rufus to burn make usb stick from iso
1392 [07:33:54] <pingfloyd> that's probably why you're having issues
1393 [07:33:57] <jak2000> RoyK?
1394 [07:34:06] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
1395 [07:34:08] <pingfloyd> did you verify the iso after download as well?
1396 [07:34:15] <pingfloyd> because the image you used, should just work
1397 [07:34:15] <imthenachoman> si
1398 [07:34:48] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: this is a better link to share with people
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1400 [07:35:02] <pingfloyd> !tell imthenachoman about rufus
1401 [07:35:19] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught?
1402 [07:35:28] <imthenachoman> !usb install
1403 [07:35:28] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: replaced-url
1404 [07:35:28] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
1405 [07:35:53] <jak2000> jmcnaught continue helpping me please?
1406 [07:36:00] <jak2000> installed base system now?
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1408 [07:36:15] <OtakuSenpai> oh ok
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1410 [07:36:34] <jmcnaught> jak2000: what's going on?
1411 [07:36:46] <jak2000> finished instaled base system
1412 [07:36:54] <jak2000> *installed
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1418 [07:39:26] <imthenachoman_> well here is to hoping this works and doesn't keep randomly crashing like xubuntu
1419 [07:39:43] <imthenachoman_> !win32diskimager
1420 [07:39:44] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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1425 [07:40:43] <pingfloyd> the key is you want to copy it over raw without any bullshit magic like those others
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1428 [07:41:43] <OtakuSenpai> imthenachoman: you *should* use win32diskimager
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1430 [07:42:22] <jak2000> rufus its ok
1431 [07:42:23] <OtakuSenpai> and if you hav the system keyboards and mouse working atleast,you can add the nonfree repos to sources.list by hand
1432 [07:42:42] <OtakuSenpai> then apt-get update and you are set to go
1433 [07:43:46] <jmcnaught> there are a few more steps in between win32diskimager and editing sources.list
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1435 [07:44:12] <pingfloyd> OtakuSenpai: that's not going to help you though if you need the non-free firmware to get networked so you can install more packages (chicken and egg situation).
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1437 [07:44:38] <OtakuSenpai> yeah
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1441 [07:46:08] <jmcnaught> also the firmware image only has the redistributable firmwares. for some devices like broadcom b43 you basically don't get wifi during the install, and need to install a package that downloads the firmware from the OEM website
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1443 [07:46:33] <jmcnaught> (the package is installed after the first boot)
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1445 [07:49:01] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught how can i add the touchscreen support to my jessie install for android
1446 [07:49:27] <OtakuSenpai> i hav the install on my sdcard,which is mounted in my computer atm
1447 [07:49:39] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: are you talking about a chroot running on android?
1448 [07:49:47] <OtakuSenpai> yes
1449 [07:49:51] <OtakuSenpai> ^^
1450 [07:49:51] <OtakuSenpai> \
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1454 [07:50:11] <OtakuSenpai> idk if i want to install linux kernel image or not
1455 [07:50:18] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: was it installed by an app?
1456 [07:50:23] <OtakuSenpai> i mean i dont kno if i hav to
1457 [07:50:30] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught no
1458 [07:51:36] <OtakuSenpai> i saw in one off the webpages tht openbox is used by their app to give touchscreen support
1459 [07:51:44] <OtakuSenpai> maybe
1460 [07:52:10] <OtakuSenpai> it was linuxonandroid
1461 [07:52:20] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
1462 [07:52:31] <jmcnaught> do you have an X11 server app for android? the point is i don't use android but it sounds like a problem with and android side
1463 [07:52:34] <OtakuSenpai> para 3
1464 [07:52:45] <OtakuSenpai> yeah
1465 [07:52:50] <jmcnaught> ^and^the
1466 [07:53:16] <OtakuSenpai> well i will install X11 server,but i want to hav touchscreen support atleast
1467 [07:53:53] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: i would expect an X11 server app for android to support touchscreens
1468 [07:54:02] <OtakuSenpai> ok
1469 [07:54:11] <jmcnaught> but it's not a debian issue
1470 [07:54:21] <OtakuSenpai> there is an app for X11 servers in android,let me search it
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1493 [08:13:22] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught you there bro?
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1495 [08:14:34] <OtakuSenpai> is there any way to completely remove android on my smartphone and install a debian system,say on a 512mb phone with 4gb storage?
1496 [08:15:25] <jak2000> jmcnaught install grub boot loader on a hard disk?
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1500 [08:17:51] <XinZhao> hola
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1504 [08:21:42] <XinZhao> So... my windows 10 drive is encrypted fully.. Then on there there's a debian vm with an encrypted /home/ drive... I enter a password when I boot the vm... Then, on there is half RANDOMIZED key (aka a key I dont know), the other half is retrieved from a remote trusted server via ssh.
1505 [08:21:48] <XinZhao> reassembled, mounts the seperate encrypted /storage/ partition
1506 [08:21:52] <XinZhao> how does that sound?
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1508 [08:22:45] <OtakuSenpai> super terrific++
1509 [08:22:54] <XinZhao> any potential holes?
1510 [08:23:07] <XinZhao> like, the remote server could be compromised - but they'd only have half a key
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1512 [08:23:43] <XinZhao> and all I need to do really is power off the vm to secure the remote access
1513 [08:23:51] <XinZhao> or am I mistaken heh
1514 [08:24:05] <OtakuSenpai> better ask in ##security
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1517 [08:24:33] <XinZhao> awesome, will do - thanks
1518 [08:24:42] <OtakuSenpai> cool
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1735 [09:34:48] <gared> help me
1736 [09:35:05] <gared> please :-(
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1738 [09:35:25] <gared> help me
1739 [09:35:27] <gared> please :-(
1740 [09:36:23] <gared> error on play unzip command with aliases .bashrc
1741 [09:37:04] <gared> i concatenate unzip with tee
1742 [09:37:24] <gared> but not work .-(
1743 [09:37:37] <gared> please :-(
1744 [09:37:42] <gared> help me
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1746 [09:38:03] <gared> but not work .-(
1747 [09:38:43] <gared> hue hue help me!! please
1748 [09:38:48] <OtakuSenpai> what command did you type?
1749 [09:39:07] <gared> alias unzip='unzip | tee -a /tmp/log.t'
1750 [09:39:30] <OtakuSenpai> what does tee do?
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1752 [09:39:50] <gared> tee redirect output
1753 [09:40:00] <gared> in T mode
1754 [09:40:14] <OtakuSenpai> idk nvr used it srry
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1756 [09:40:51] <gared> :-( thks
1757 [09:41:15] <gared> hue hue help me!! please
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1759 [09:41:31] <OtakuSenpai> have patience pls
1760 [09:41:50] <gared> :-( ok ....
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1765 [09:43:38] <gared> if i type a prompt command it work, but with alias ..... boing.!.!.
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1767 [09:44:31] <gared> very bast@rd
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1772 [09:46:44] <dutchfish> gared, have you checked your ~/.bashrc for errors?
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1774 [09:47:19] <dutchfish> gared, is this a clean debian stable install?
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1778 [09:48:28] <pijiu> gared, what is that alias EXACTLY
1779 [09:48:43] <pijiu> code
1780 [09:48:50] <gared> #alias unzip='unzip | tee -a /tmp/log.t'
1781 [09:49:30] <pijiu> delele # in front of line?
1782 [09:49:34] <pijiu> *delete
1783 [09:49:53] <gared> he he
1784 [09:50:03] <pijiu> worked?
1785 [09:50:05] <pijiu> :)
1786 [09:50:31] <gared> no not run unzip
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1788 [09:50:58] <Mathisen> is there a way to list files that has been edited/changed only ?
1789 [09:51:03] <darkmatter> hello im running debian 7 for a server, and it randomly rebooted. I'm taking a look at /var/log/syslog and notice the following line:
1790 [09:51:04] <darkmatter> Aug 27 00:34:09 openmediavault kernel: [1073028.957277] SoftDog: Unexpected close, not stopping watchdog!
1791 [09:51:13] <Mathisen> like in the last hours or so
1792 [09:51:27] <darkmatter> ls -lut
1793 [09:51:41] <darkmatter> to list the contents of a directory sorted by access time
1794 [09:51:53] <darkmatter> you can use the find command, with -mtime to sort by modification time
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1796 [09:52:02] <Mathisen> thx
1797 [09:52:40] <pijiu> gared, unzip shall be followed by some archive filename isnt it?
1798 [09:52:49] <gared> unzip -l sorg.zip
1799 [09:52:54] <pijiu> just "unzip" will not do much itself
1800 [09:53:03] <gared> tee: opzione non valida -- l
1801 [09:53:20] <gared> Usare `tee --help' per ulteriori informazioni.
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1805 [09:56:45] <gared> i'm interest logger the output
1806 [09:56:53] <gared> unzip command
1807 [09:57:22] <pijiu> gared, i just tried executing "unzip -l xxx.zip | tee -a log.txt" and it worked as intended
1808 [09:57:37] <pijiu> inbefore i "touch log.txt" to create it by the way
1809 [09:57:56] <pijiu> could this be your problem?
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1811 [09:58:53] <gared> by prompt work, but aliases not work .-(
1812 [09:59:25] <pijiu> please share your code
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1814 [09:59:28] <gared> return an error
1815 [09:59:33] <pijiu> which error
1816 [09:59:44] <gared> alias unzip='unzip | tee -a /tmp/log.t'
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1818 [10:00:00] <gared> unzip -l sorg.zip
1819 [10:00:08] <gared> tee: opzione non valida -- l
1820 [10:00:16] <gared> Usare `tee --help' per ulteriori informazioni.
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1822 [10:00:18] <pingfloyd> gared: I don't think your args will get parsed correctly with that alias
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1824 [10:00:41] <pijiu> try making it unzipp instead of unzip
1825 [10:00:57] <gared> i see
1826 [10:01:04] <pingfloyd> gared: you probably want a function or a script that is like: unzip "$@" | tee -a /tmp/log.t
1827 [10:01:30] <gared> i try
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1830 [10:02:20] <pijiu> making /bin/unzipp with "unzip "$@" | tee -a /tmp/log.t" in it could probably be a solution too
1831 [10:02:39] <gared> hue hue not work :-((
1832 [10:02:51] <gared> idem result
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1837 [10:04:15] <gared> not pass correctly parameters, but why????
1838 [10:04:21] <pingfloyd> name shouldn't matter, because of precedence with the shell
1839 [10:04:45] <pijiu> gared, i just created /bin/unz as said above and it worked fine
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1841 [10:05:41] <gared> run alias???
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1847 [10:06:58] <pijiu> echo 'unzip "$@" | tee -a /tmp/log.t' > /bin/unz && chmod +x /bin/unz
1848 [10:07:08] <pijiu> then "unz file.zip"
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1851 [10:07:11] <pijiu> try?
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1853 [10:08:41] <pijiu> u can make it "unzip -l if u want too
1854 [10:09:21] <gared> try
1855 [10:09:54] <gared> inkia
1856 [10:10:01] <pijiu> ?
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1858 [10:10:22] <gared> Ok
1859 [10:10:28] <pijiu> worked?
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1861 [10:10:36] <gared> very very thks
1862 [10:10:42] <pijiu> enjoy
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1883 [10:25:13] <Minege> Hi
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1885 [10:25:35] <Minege> <Minege> I have modified my grub config file to boot to another kernel, with string and with number <Minege> every time it block to boot <Minege> so, it can't boot at all <Minege> and i need to reinstall my server
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1889 [10:28:15] <pijiu> Minege, what is your question
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1891 [10:28:50] <Minege> Hi
1892 [10:28:52] <Minege> My question is
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1894 [10:29:04] <Minege> How can i do the boot working
1895 [10:29:10] <Minege> I've already tested :
1896 [10:29:16] <pijiu> fix your broken grub
1897 [10:29:18] <Minege> GRUB_DEFAULT=2
1898 [10:29:24] <Minege> And 2 it's my correct option
1899 [10:29:33] <Minege> and GRUB_DEFAULT='STringofthebootmenu'
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1901 [10:29:39] <Minege> with, of course, grub-update after
1902 [10:29:43] <Minege> hu, update-grub
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1905 [10:30:21] <OtakuSenpai> where do kernel modules get added after lm-sensors command is used
1906 [10:30:55] <pijiu> Minege, 1) what exactly have u modified before it got broken? 2) have u tried to revert it back?
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1909 [10:31:59] <digdilem> OtakuSenpai, run sensors-detect, it tells you
1910 [10:32:12] <Minege> 1) I've modified the set_default="mymenu" but in the /etc/default/grub
1911 [10:32:23] <Minege> 2) I have reinstalled many times
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1913 [10:33:38] <OtakuSenpai> Minege from the installer cd you can reinstall grub to the debian system
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1917 [10:35:03] <Minege> Yes, but it's a remote server :\
1918 [10:35:29] <Minege> So, i can reinstall it, but i've already did it A LOT of times, just because grub didn't worked. And i want to grub working
1919 [10:36:32] <pijiu> Minege, grub-mkconfig ?
1920 [10:37:49] <Minege> Mmh, after i modify the grub file ?
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1925 [10:38:43] <pijiu> yeah just check if it could help
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1928 [10:39:32] <mra90> Hmm is Debian a good choice for Desktop installation? Everybody seems to recommend OpenSuse or Ubuntu?
1929 [10:39:54] <bazhang> very
1930 [10:39:54] <pijiu> 1) yes its good; 2) others are good too
1931 [10:40:04] <Minege> mra90, i use ArchLinux, and i think it's pretty good
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1933 [10:40:41] <Minege> pijiu : i try to reinstall the vps, and reinstall openVZ, and modify the grub file, and do grub-mkconfig, and grub-update it's that correct ?
1934 [10:41:08] <Minege> PS: It's not a vps, it's a dedy
1935 [10:41:20] <mra90> Minege: thanks what is the origin of: ArchLinux?
1936 [10:42:04] <mra90> I am looking for light weigh distro, no games need, I would be cool if I could easy tinker with it's sources
1937 [10:42:10] <Minege> mra90: Archlinux is independently developed : replaced-url
1938 [10:42:25] <Minege> Archlinux is VERY light weigh
1939 [10:42:42] <pijiu> mra90, from personal experience LXDE is what you may consider to have as LIGHT distro
1940 [10:43:13] <pijiu> arch will work too
1941 [10:43:18] <pijiu> ubuntu no
1942 [10:43:22] <Minege> Yep, but LXDE is just for an light desktop
1943 [10:43:29] <pijiu> ubuntu is opposing to "light"
1944 [10:43:35] <mra90> what about OpenSuse?
1945 [10:43:36] <Minege> But the base, if you want a really light weigh installation, do archlinux + lxde
1946 [10:43:42] <mra90> Seems to be solid
1947 [10:44:05] <Minege> pijiu: i try to reinstall the dedi, and reinstall openVZ, and modify the grub file, and do grub-mkconfig, and grub-update it's that correct ?
1948 [10:44:25] <pijiu> Minege, u mean ur system wont even boot after reinstalling OS?
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1951 [10:45:01] <mra90> Minege, pijiu: ok, Debian for Desktop? What are bad in this case?
1952 [10:45:02] <Minege> No, no, my system boot
1953 [10:45:10] <pijiu> mra90, nothing bad at all
1954 [10:45:20] <Minege> y
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1958 [10:45:51] <Minege> pijiu: When i reinstatll, my system boot fine because there is nothing on it. but it's when i try to modify the grub
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1960 [10:46:07] <pijiu> Minege, well the problem is in HOW u modify grib\
1961 [10:46:10] <pijiu> *grub
1962 [10:46:10] <Minege> pijiu: But in many tutorials, they say to modify the grub default to boot on openVZ on remote server
1963 [10:46:16] <Minege> pijiu: Yep
1964 [10:46:25] <pijiu> sorry im not good with openvz nor even know what is it'
1965 [10:46:30] <pijiu> probably cant help
1966 [10:46:47] <pijiu> try #grub meanwhile
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1968 [10:47:04] <Mathisen> Minege, you got your answer in #ubuntu already >> " Your VPS already IS an openvz instance. You cannot run a nested openvz instance in it. "
1969 [10:47:15] <Minege> Mmh
1970 [10:47:21] <Minege> But it's a dedy server
1971 [10:47:23] <Minege> Not an VPS
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1973 [10:47:36] <bazhang> why x post here Minege
1974 [10:47:57] <Minege> ??
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1976 [10:48:05] <ap4lmtree> hi
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1978 [10:48:13] <Minege> So, Mathisen, can i install openVZ in an dedied server ?
1979 [10:48:20] <bazhang> crosspost, you already got the answer
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1981 [10:49:43] <Minege> No, i didn't
1982 [10:49:57] <Minege> Cause i've a dedied, and i don't know if it's the same on VPS and dedied servers
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1986 [10:51:03] <Minege> bazhang
1987 [10:51:11] <bazhang> what
1988 [10:51:30] <Mathisen> Minege, the how can you reinstall with a panel as you said before.. and " Minege> it's a remote vps server "
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1991 [10:51:46] <Mathisen> your own words
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1993 [10:52:03] <pijiu> <Minege> PS: It's not a vps, it's a dedy
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1999 [10:52:34] <Minege> Yep, but i mad a mistake, it's not a vps, it's a dedied server
2000 [10:52:40] <Minege> so it's a difference or this is the same ?
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2005 [10:52:53] <bazhang> changing around the words wont make it magically work
2006 [10:53:05] <Minege> MAYBE IT'S DIFFERENT bazhang...
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2008 [10:53:22] <pingfloyd> how about using proper terms like "dedicated"
2009 [10:53:25] <bazhang> lose the caps
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2011 [10:53:30] <bazhang> he gone
2012 [10:53:33] <pijiu> rip
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2019 [10:56:24] <oo_miguel> hi everybody. I am facing the following problem on debian jessie: "apt-get upgrade" results in erros while processing nvidia-kernel-dkms. The 'make' log tells me that the compiler used to compile the kernel (gcc-5.2.0) does not match the compiler used now (gcc-4.9.2). How would I fix this?
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2021 [10:57:17] <oo_miguel> I do not even see gcc-5.2.0 in apt-get's repositories...
2022 [10:57:33] <jelly-home> oo_miguel: what does `uname -r` say on your system?
2023 [10:57:46] <oo_miguel> 3.16.0-4-amd64
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2025 [10:57:57] <oo_miguel> this is a debian stock-kernel, right?
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2027 [10:58:09] <jelly-home> it sure looks like it yes
2028 [10:58:18] <jelly-home> do you have any other kernels installed?
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2030 [10:58:43] <oo_miguel> ah yes, I played once with compiling my own one, but I do not run it
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2032 [10:58:58] <oo_miguel> possible that I used a more recent version of gcc then
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2034 [10:59:13] <oo_miguel> which I just compiled/installed locally in my home dir
2035 [10:59:32] <jelly-home> can you remove that kernel temporarily
2036 [10:59:36] <oo_miguel> maybe the apt-get script tries to build the nvdia modules for ALL kernels
2037 [10:59:40] <jelly-home> (it does)
2038 [11:00:00] <oo_miguel> 'remove' means simply moving them away out of the /boot folder right?
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2041 [11:00:45] <jelly-home> I'm not sure what dkms checks, is it existence of vmlinuz or directory in /lib/modules/ or what
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2043 [11:01:16] <oo_miguel> Ok I will try it out, but thank you very much for getting me on the right path! :)
2044 [11:01:32] <starstuff> How do I see all i386 packages that I have installed on my amd64 installation?
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2046 [11:02:04] <jelly-home> starstuff: stupid way: dpkg -l \*:i386 | grep ^.i
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2048 [11:02:53] <jelly-home> will also include the automatically installed ones, not just the stuff _you_ asked for explicitely
2049 [11:02:58] <starstuff> jelly-home: Why is that stupid?
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2052 [11:03:36] <starstuff> jelly-home: is there a way to ask for only the ones that I explicitly asked for and not the dependencies?
2053 [11:03:45] <jelly-home> there probably is
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2055 [11:04:20] <pijiu> starstuff, dpkg -l \*:ai386 | grep WHATUASKFOR
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2058 [11:04:33] <pijiu> -a
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2060 [11:04:50] <oo_miguel> jelly-home: fyi, removing my custom kernels from /boot did the job for me. thanks again!
2061 [11:05:04] <starstuff> pijiu: what is "WHATUASKFOR"
2062 [11:05:11] <pijiu> its what u ask for
2063 [11:05:42] <pijiu> like pkg name u need
2064 [11:05:47] <pijiu> or part of it
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2069 [11:08:55] <jelly-home> starstuff: aptitude has an extensive search syntax, you can probably hunt for manually installed and foreign architecture packages at the same time there
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2128 [11:47:33] <bibble> ntpdate vs openntpd ? .. what are you using to update time ?
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2131 [11:50:59] <jelly-home> bibble: ntp on 24/7 servers, chrony on machines that are not online all the time
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2139 [11:53:44] <bibble> jelly-home: interesting :) ..also reading about systemd option, but timedatectl doesn't seem to fully work for me
2140 [11:53:46] <bibble> replaced-url
2141 [11:54:21] <endstille> bibble: i use it on all my debian jessie servers. what's your issue?
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2145 [11:55:29] <bibble> think certain timedatectl commands gave 'failed can't find dbus' type errors endstille
2146 [11:56:13] <bibble> will double check
2147 [11:56:32] <endstille> i run the following commands on my servers (as root)
2148 [11:56:32] <endstille> timedatectl --help
2149 [11:56:32] <endstille> timedatectl set-ntp 1
2150 [11:56:32] <endstille> timedatectl --adjust-system-clock
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2155 [11:57:02] <bibble> thanks endstille , will give them a go
2156 [11:57:08] <endstille> np :)
2157 [11:57:15] <bibble> :)
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2169 [12:03:31] <bibble> unfortunately, 'timedatectl set-ntp 1' gives 'Failed to create bus connection: No such file or directory
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2171 [12:03:54] <bibble> but 'timedatectl --help' works fine...
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2186 [12:10:56] <hexadecimal> Hello o/
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2195 [12:15:04] <bibble> \o hello
2196 [12:15:36] <bibble> so, 'timedatectl set-ntp 1' seems to be equal to 'systemctl enable systemd-timesyncd.service'
2197 [12:15:55] <bibble> ..just need to find out how to test if working now
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2203 [12:17:59] <OtakuSenpai> ,v xserver-xorg-input-tslib armhf
2204 [12:18:00] <judd> No package named 'xserver-xorg-input-tslib' was found in armhf.
2205 [12:18:10] <OtakuSenpai> ,v xserver-xorg-input-tslib jessie
2206 [12:18:11] <judd> No package named 'xserver-xorg-input-tslib' was found in jessie/amd64.
2207 [12:18:21] <OtakuSenpai> ,v xserver-xorg-input-tslib jessie/armhf
2208 [12:18:22] <judd> No package named 'xserver-xorg-input-tslib' was found in amd64.
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2210 [12:19:24] <OtakuSenpai> ,v libts-bin jessie
2211 [12:19:26] <judd> No package named 'libts-bin' was found in jessie/amd64.
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2226 [12:23:16] <OtakuSenpai> ,v libts-0.0.0 jessie
2227 [12:23:18] <judd> No package named 'libts-0.0.0' was found in jessie/amd64.
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2232 [12:26:24] <RoyK> ,libts
2233 [12:26:30] <RoyK> ,v libts
2234 [12:26:31] <judd> No package named 'libts' was found in amd64.
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2236 [12:28:41] <RoyK> ,v libts-bin
2237 [12:28:43] <judd> Package: libts-bin on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0-11
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2249 [12:40:03] <dayten> ,h
2250 [12:40:58] <RoyK> ,!
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2294 [13:01:23] <OtakuSenpai> ,v libts-bin
2295 [13:01:24] <judd> Package: libts-bin on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0-11
2296 [13:01:28] <OtakuSenpai> ,v libts-bin jessie
2297 [13:01:29] <judd> No package named 'libts-bin' was found in jessie/amd64.
2298 [13:01:53] <OtakuSenpai> hmm...jessie doesnt hav libts-bin?
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2300 [13:02:18] <OtakuSenpai> ,v tslib jessie
2301 [13:02:19] <judd> No package named 'tslib' was found in jessie/amd64.
2302 [13:02:23] <OtakuSenpai> ,v tslib
2303 [13:02:24] <judd> No package named 'tslib' was found in amd64.
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2305 [13:04:19] <ivegotasthma> is it possible to move the luks header from an encrypted device to a usb stick?
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2333 [13:16:57] <hreq> hi
2334 [13:17:39] <hreq> how can i restrict a new user to read only certain dirs?
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2359 [13:36:04] <OtakuSenpai> hreq which directories
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2362 [13:36:47] <OtakuSenpai> you can use file perissions to set the thing you want to do
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2364 [13:37:00] <OtakuSenpai> try man chmod,chown n chgrp
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2368 [13:37:16] <OtakuSenpai> he has quit
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2372 [13:38:58] <bibble> OtakuSenpai: not sure what client you're using, but useful to use auto nick complete, such as tab. let's you know if they're still present
2373 [13:39:19] <OtakuSenpai> im using hexchat bibble
2374 [13:39:39] <bibble> that's supposed to be really good
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2376 [13:39:51] <bibble> there's probably an arrow or something to click
2377 [13:40:00] <OtakuSenpai> bibble yeah it works
2378 [13:40:09] <bibble> great :)
2379 [13:40:15] <OtakuSenpai> i didnt kne about this b4
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2389 [13:43:49] <antipsychiatry> Hi
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2397 [13:46:30] <OtakuSenpai> antipsychiatry hey
2398 [13:46:36] <OtakuSenpai> fuck
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2442 [14:09:27] <alex______> hello
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2445 [14:10:01] <alex______> anyone here?
2446 [14:10:06] <dvs> nope
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2451 [14:12:43] <alex______> Guys, i'm trying to figure out how to solve some exotic problem with debian. For absolutelly no reason UFW randomly decide to block everything, even ssh, despite i configured it as 'allowed". ANyone can drop some guides or hints?
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2461 [14:17:16] <RoyK> alex______: can you pastebin output of "ufw status" and "iptables -vnL", please?
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2478 [14:23:23] <alex______> sure!
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2480 [14:24:58] <alex______> replaced-url
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2482 [14:25:53] <alex______> Digitalocean vps. When problem appears, i cannot connect to vps even through website console
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2488 [14:31:04] <RoyK> alex______: sorry - I really have no idea
2489 [14:31:08] * RoyK is tired
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2491 [14:31:49] <OtakuSenpai> alex______, try joining linux or networking,maybe they can help ya
2492 [14:31:58] <alex______> wokay! Thank you!
2493 [14:32:08] <alex______> join ##networking
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2496 [14:32:52] <simp> alex______, if it's even through the web console, then it has nothing to do with the firewall.
2497 [14:33:03] <simp> as the web console shouldn't have anything to do with networking
2498 [14:33:17] <alex______> U sure its not tcp?
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2500 [14:33:41] <OtakuSenpai> its a wild guess but maybe it has something to do with your settings
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2504 [14:37:19] <simp> alex______, as digitalocean says, the web console is just like connecting a keyboard to the actual computer. so it should not be affected by firewall rules.
2505 [14:37:38] <simp> it's there just for cases where you lock yourself out and can't access over the network
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2510 [14:38:28] <simp> and as far as i understand, there shouldn't be a way to break the web console, as it's out of scope for your virtual server.
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2512 [14:39:29] <alex______> Actually, what i did< i installed ufw, mysql, nodejs, nginx with pretty common setup. Problem appeared with ubuntu, and debian. Have you any idea, maybe nodejs+mysql+nginx can broke something? Cpu+ram counters are allmost 0 all the time
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2515 [14:41:11] <simp> i have no experience with nginx, but i don't have any idea why nodejs/mysql would break your connection. Do you see some kind of a default "it works" page from nginx?
2516 [14:41:39] <simp> maybe the server itself is in a state where login isn't possible?
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2518 [14:42:28] <bezaban> alex______: why are you thinking this is a networking problem? Do you have any indications that it is up? All ports 'closed' and the console not working seems like the machine is freezing
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2520 [14:42:47] <dankeast> recently gdm has stopped showing any users probably about 50% of the time. I can see the background image, but no user selector appears. I've switched to lightdm and that works fine. I don't see anything when running journalctl, /var/log/gdm is empty... anyone have any idea where i should look?
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2529 [14:44:58] <simp> alex______, what happens if you force-reboot from the dashboard?
2530 [14:45:04] <alex______> I launched nodejs+nginx project before. It works perfectly for 6 month. Right now im work with a new project, bought prod server and instal it. I was able to launch it 6 hours ago without any problem, but after 3 or 5 hours server became not responsible for any attempts to login. I absilutelly have no idea
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2537 [14:46:38] <alex______> Do you have any indications that it is up? <<< yes, it was up, while 'freezed'
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2540 [14:47:30] <RoyK> (isn't that "frozen"?)
2541 [14:48:23] <bezaban> alex______: how do you know the system is running if nothing is accessible?
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2544 [14:48:50] <alex______> Digitalocean shows 'green' dot in front of server
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2546 [14:49:24] <bezaban> that just likely means the vm is powered on, the system can still have crashed
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2548 [14:49:46] <alex______> How can i diagnoze sys crash in this case?
2549 [14:49:52] <bezaban> I'd examine for indications of a kernel panic or anything in dmesg/kernel logs before a freeze
2550 [14:50:21] <alex______> its on logs/kern.log?
2551 [14:50:39] <bezaban> yeah /var/log/kern.log
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2554 [14:51:15] <bezaban> but it could also be caused by external elements, like disconnection from storage or vm host failure
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2558 [14:52:31] <alex______> i see no 'panic' ther but [UFW BLOCK] before freeze in syslogs
2559 [14:52:40] <bezaban> which is drifting slightly OT here. it may be hard to troubleshoot/fix, but I would not assume it's a networking problem without a little more indications that it is. You could possibly schedule a cron job to watch firewall rules and see if they change to exclude that as an alternative
2560 [14:52:52] <OtakuSenpai> hey gusy how do i copy a whole folder to another place?
2561 [14:52:59] <OtakuSenpai> guys*
2562 [14:53:12] <bezaban> alex______: ah, could it be some IDS you have? denyhosts/fail2ban have modes for locking down firewalls
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2565 [14:55:56] <alex______> <bezaban>: Im new one here)) I did not set any IDS
2566 [14:55:58] <OtakuSenpai> i hav the folder containing a lot of things in it,like some files and more folders,so pls help guys
2567 [14:56:10] <bezaban> but again, that should not affect the console
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2569 [14:56:55] <bezaban> the console is likely a virtualized serial console which does not use rely on networking of the guest os
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2573 [14:57:19] <TomTomTosch> OtakuSenpai: cp -r
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2575 [14:57:27] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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2580 [14:58:31] <RoyK> OtakuSenpai: or rsync -avPHAX src dst
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2585 [14:58:57] <OtakuSenpai> thnx guys
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2590 [15:01:40] <doublehp> i have written a script /etc/rc6.d/K01foobar , and it seems to me like it is not run during reboot; any one got a clue ?
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2592 [15:02:02] <sodso> How to find out what do add to the sources.list to be able to install this package replaced-url
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2596 [15:03:05] <alex______> What else logfiles could have info about sys freeze?
2597 [15:03:45] <doublehp> alex______: freeses can't be probbed by logfiles; you need kernel to output on serial console
2598 [15:04:13] <alex______> i suppose, it is not possible with digitalocean vnc?
2599 [15:04:31] <TomTomTosch> sodso: that is the main jessie repo. you shouldn't have to change anything if you are running jessie.
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2608 [15:07:08] <sodso> TomTomTosch, how to understand the message when the package is "not installable"?
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2611 [15:07:57] <TomTomTosch> sodso: copy the command + output and the output of apt-cache policy to paste.debian.net please.
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2617 [15:09:53] <doublehp> is it possible to ask systemd to run some /etc/rc6.d/K01foo at reboot, or is it just impossible, and I have to write a systemd daemon ?
2618 [15:10:45] <sodso> TomTomTosh: sorry, but only screenshot was possible: replaced-url
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2622 [15:12:12] <TomTomTosch> !pastebinit
2623 [15:12:13] <doublehp> replaced-url
2624 [15:12:13] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
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2628 [15:13:08] <TomTomTosch> sodso: also, what distribution are you running and where did you get the virtualbox-5.1 package from?
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2631 [15:14:00] <sodso> TomTomTosch, Jessie, but it is just basic system, so there is also no pastebin, virtualbox is from official webpage, and from official repository, both won't install
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2633 [15:14:51] <phre4k> how do I fix "failed to connect to lvmetad, falling back to device scanning" on boot off a LUKS partition?
2634 [15:15:01] <TomTomTosch> sodso: then it wasn't built for jessie. debian has virtualbox included in its repos.
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2639 [15:17:07] <sodso> TomTomTosch, I don't know about that, because I'm running this basic Debian inside virtualbox that is installed in the same versoin of Debian but the Host system was installed with additional packages
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2641 [15:17:37] <sodso> TomTomTosch, the same virtualbox, the one in the host was intsalled from .deb file
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2648 [15:19:13] <sodso> TomTomTosch, I don't know how to solve dependencies problem, for example dkms is not available through apt-get
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2650 [15:20:30] <sodso> TomTomTosch, I think, I've found the problem
2651 [15:21:17] <sodso> TomTomTosch, It seems I've overwritten sources.list with one line of deb, so any sources that were there before are gone
2652 [15:21:45] <TomTomTosch> !tell sodso about jessie sources.list
2653 [15:22:17] <TomTomTosch> sodso: bot told you the right lines ^
2654 [15:22:33] <sodso> TomTomTosch, sorry, but bot was silent
2655 [15:22:46] <TomTomTosch> !jessie sources.list
2656 [15:22:46] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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2659 [15:23:22] <sodso> TomTomTosch, thank you
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2667 [15:30:02] <OrbsTheorem> is there a capability (other than CAP_NET_ADMIN or CAP_SYS_ADMIN) that allows a program to add and modify entries of the ARP table?
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2671 [15:33:23] <doublehp> OrbsTheorem: #networking
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2676 [15:34:57] <alea123> hi all, anyone can help me with setting up my server for sending emails via php mail() fnc to gmail-accounts? all other provider are okay, only gmail does not receive any mails
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2680 [15:36:10] <doublehp> alea123: try #yourdistro, or #exim or #postfix
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2682 [15:36:30] <doublehp> alea123: configuring email is most often distro specific
2683 [15:36:48] <sodso> TomTomTosch, Everything is working now. Thank you for help.
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2685 [15:36:56] <alea123> i have debian running
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2690 [15:38:25] <blueyed> I am getting a cert error when trying to import code from anonscm.debian.org ("Certificate error: hostname 'anonscm.debian.org' doesn't match either of '*.alioth.debian.org', 'alioth.debian.org'")
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2692 [15:38:43] <blueyed> Does this use a SNI cert or something similar, since curl does not complain?
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2705 [15:44:33] <kang00> Anytime ready for offtopic pm discussion?
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2707 [15:45:30] <kang00> Sorry anyone!!
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2713 [15:49:49] <TomTomTosch> sodso: no problem :)
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2717 [15:50:55] <TomTomTosch> kang00: you might want to try #debian-offtopic
2718 [15:51:03] <doublehp> I failed to configure my machine via SystemV and SystemD approchaes; what else could exist ? how do I know how my machine is managed ?
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2765 [16:11:09] <doublehp> !help
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2774 [16:14:12] <Agiofws> hello
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2776 [16:14:38] <Agiofws> i have debian version 8.5 and installed with gnome how do i turn off the screen saver ?
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2779 [16:15:10] <OtakuSenpai> you mean the screen which turns oiff after 15 mins when youre not there?
2780 [16:15:21] <missmbob> Agiofws: system settings...brightness and lock.
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2782 [16:15:30] <OtakuSenpai> try Caffiene
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2784 [16:16:01] <Agiofws> OtakuSenpai, yes
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2786 [16:16:31] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
2787 [16:17:08] <Agiofws> replaced-url
2788 [16:17:17] <doublehp> Agiofws: console or X ?
2789 [16:17:35] <Agiofws> replaced-url
2790 [16:17:40] <OtakuSenpai> doublehp, X
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2794 [16:18:37] <OtakuSenpai> idk i use Caffiene to keep my screen open over an extended period of time,say 5 hrs
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2796 [16:19:12] <doublehp> OtakuSenpai: this should work replaced-url
2797 [16:19:34] <doublehp> OtakuSenpai: tried the screensaver options ?
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2801 [16:19:54] <doublehp> OtakuSenpai: before doing this kind of advanced coding, did you try the obvious options in the conf pannel ?
2802 [16:20:27] <OtakuSenpai> well,i just used Caffiene
2803 [16:20:36] <OtakuSenpai> dont kno wht the above does
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2805 [16:21:05] <OtakuSenpai> but i hav Gnome installed,so caffiene was more easier option
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2820 [16:25:18] <OtakuSenpai> hey can anyone link me the debian debootstrap page?
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2822 [16:25:41] <stoned> !debootstrap
2823 [16:25:42] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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2826 [16:26:00] <stoned> OtakuSenpai, Good morning from the world of stoned
2827 [16:26:18] <OtakuSenpai> stoned...i hav a bottle of whiskey just for ya
2828 [16:26:22] <stoned> No thanks.
2829 [16:26:28] * OtakuSenpai passes a jug of whiskey
2830 [16:26:32] <OtakuSenpai> lol srry
2831 [16:26:43] <stoned> I despise and loath it. Ethanol is not a molecule that I find ... appealing to my neurology.
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2834 [16:26:59] <stoned> In fact, alcohol is a neurotoxin.
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2836 [16:27:16] <stoned> So... you know. No thanks. But thanks, nice gesture.
2837 [16:27:28] <stoned> What are you trying to debootstrap?
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2839 [16:28:21] <stoned> Disable the screensaver and auto suspend
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2841 [16:28:27] <stoned> Do you really need this third party application?
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2844 [16:28:33] <stoned> You know you can just use xset?
2845 [16:28:44] <stoned> man xset
2846 [16:28:47] <OtakuSenpai> no
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2848 [16:29:16] <OtakuSenpai> i need debootstrap guide to install kernel in my dd-img'd file
2849 [16:29:27] <OtakuSenpai> then load tht img from android
2850 [16:29:31] <OtakuSenpai> using Limbo
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2853 [16:29:56] <stoned> I'm not familiar with such Limbo
2854 [16:30:12] <OtakuSenpai> yup,its defunct now but
2855 [16:30:19] <OtakuSenpai> gonna give it a try
2856 [16:30:22] <stoned> What does it do?
2857 [16:30:26] <stoned> All I see on google is some game
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2859 [16:30:57] <OtakuSenpai> Limbo PC Emulator ....based on qemu(old version)
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2896 [16:41:08] <jaggz> are there more convenient terminal tools for monitoring log/messages and syslog than tail -f?
2897 [16:41:39] <akoy> Again here... Again. Could someone please explain me why Debian shotdown its eth0 during boot???? The interface is brought down after "[ OK ] Started /etc/rc.local Compatibility."
2898 [16:42:05] <jaggz> nothing that does significant processing or filtering.. perhaps just dmesg -f would do
2899 [16:42:07] <abrotman> jaggz: tons, have you tried apt-cache search log monitor?
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2903 [16:42:27] <jaggz> I mean, -w
2904 [16:42:32] <jaggz> (ie. --follow)
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2907 [16:42:47] <jaggz> abrotman, no. I should have. thanks
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2909 [16:43:29] <abrotman> There are tools to watch them like that, or analyzers that can summarize the information for you
2910 [16:43:46] <jaggz> thanks :)
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2913 [16:44:07] <jaggz> so much color nowadays.. my compiles even put out color :)
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2918 [16:46:49] <akoy> Here's the log (Debian take kernel from TFTP and then *try to* load / from NFS) ---> replaced-url
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2932 [16:53:38] <OtakuSenpai> how do i get firmware-linux-free on my system
2933 [16:53:43] <OtakuSenpai> which repos i mean
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2936 [16:54:06] <TomTomTosch> jessie main?
2937 [16:54:31] <OtakuSenpai> no
2938 [16:54:37] <TomTomTosch> yes!
2939 [16:54:39] <OtakuSenpai> firmware-linux
2940 [16:54:42] <OtakuSenpai> idk
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2942 [16:54:58] <TomTomTosch> the package firmware-linux-free is in the default jessie repo.
2943 [16:55:16] <OtakuSenpai> i hav run apt-get update and apt-get install linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-armmp
2944 [16:55:18] <OtakuSenpai> but
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2946 [16:55:24] <OtakuSenpai> this is what i get
2947 [16:55:28] <OtakuSenpai> wait a sec
2948 [16:56:08] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
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2951 [16:57:21] <TomTomTosch> that package is from jessie-backports you will have to install it using -t jessie-backports
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2956 [16:58:02] <OtakuSenpai> ok
2957 [16:58:02] <jim> if I can't find my eth interface in /etc/network/interfaces, what has taken over its configuration?
2958 [16:58:13] <OtakuSenpai> hey jim
2959 [16:58:19] <jim> heya
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2962 [16:59:02] <OtakuSenpai> thnx Tom^3 it worked
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2964 [16:59:05] <jak2013> friends a oftopic question: wich is the difference into Sockets and and Cores?
2965 [16:59:07] <OtakuSenpai> hey :D
2966 [16:59:19] <OtakuSenpai> what are COres?
2967 [17:00:06] <jim> a socket is a data structure representing a net connection, and a core is a cpu
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2969 [17:00:25] <OtakuSenpai> Sockets are pipes in linux(i guess so,tell me if im right) which are used by programs and kernel to communbicate btween themselves
2970 [17:00:31] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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2972 [17:00:43] <jak2013> wich is more big? the socket or core?
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2975 [17:01:21] <jim> a socket is in software and a core is part of the cpu chip
2976 [17:01:21] <XeonSquared> ohhhh
2977 [17:01:24] <OtakuSenpai> core isnt big...its like the CPU has 4(quad) or 2(double) cores
2978 [17:01:31] <XeonSquared> if you're talking in terms of processors
2979 [17:01:35] <jak2013> with1 socket?
2980 [17:01:46] <XeonSquared> a socket is somewhere a CPU goes, while a core is a logical processor on a CPU
2981 [17:01:47] <OtakuSenpai> maybe 6(hexa) and 8(octa) for smartphone chips
2982 [17:01:48] <XeonSquared> if that makes sense
2983 [17:01:51] <jak2013> i need create a virtuals erver ask me how many sockets how many cores
2984 [17:02:08] <OtakuSenpai> hmm
2985 [17:02:12] <XeonSquared> yeah okay
2986 [17:02:19] <XeonSquared> basically it's just what it reports to the guest
2987 [17:02:36] <OtakuSenpai> Cores depend upon the no. of your cpu cores you could like to allocate to the server
2988 [17:02:48] <OtakuSenpai> i guess so
2989 [17:03:04] <XeonSquared> virt-manager I'm guessing?
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2992 [17:03:50] <jak2013> XeonSquared can be a good choice: 1 socket 4 cores and 2 b ram?
2993 [17:04:07] <XeonSquared> depends what you want to do with it
2994 [17:04:24] <XeonSquared> I generally leave it as 1 socket and x many cores though, for simplicity sake
2995 [17:04:33] <OtakuSenpai> 2 b means 2 bytes?
2996 [17:04:45] <OtakuSenpai> just search google
2997 [17:05:02] <jak2013> anyone here worked with promox?
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3020 [17:16:21] <OtakuSenpai> TomTomTosch, how do i make my image bootable?
3021 [17:16:56] <OtakuSenpai> i mean i dont want to chroot it(i hav set a cp of it in another directory) and could like to install grub in it
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3052 [17:26:31] <Manis> Hi. I have a machine that has an SSD and a hard drive installed. I used the SSD for the system and placed /home onto the HDD. Both drives have a huge LUKS partition with an LVM inside.
3053 [17:26:49] <TomTomTosch> ByteStorm: you might want to ask #debian-arm on oftc
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3056 [17:26:58] <ByteStorm> ok
3057 [17:26:58] <Manis> At bootup I need to enter the LUKS password twice (both partitions use the same pw). Is there a way around that?
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3060 [17:27:12] <Lemonade1947> I have a question, because I think I might be missing something obvious:
3061 [17:27:29] <Lemonade1947> Do services run with root privileges?
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3067 [17:28:14] <Lemonade1947> and if not, how do I give them root?
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3069 [17:30:19] <Manis> Lemonade1947, with service you mean a systemd service?
3070 [17:30:36] <Lemonade1947> I'm not sure. I'm really a noob.
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3072 [17:30:49] <Manis> Lemonade1947, so what is your exact problem?
3073 [17:30:56] <Lemonade1947> Trying to get Stunnel to work. Want to use port 443, which I understand is reserved for root.
3074 [17:31:19] <Lemonade1947> just says "[!] Error binding service [ptpp] to 0.0.0.0:443
3075 [17:31:20] <Lemonade1947> [!] bind: Permission denied (13)
3076 [17:31:20] <Lemonade1947> "
3077 [17:31:56] <Manis> how do you start stunnel?
3078 [17:32:03] <Lemonade1947> it starts when I boot
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3081 [17:32:55] <Manis> Lemonade1947, what if you run "systemctl status stunnel"?
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3084 [17:33:14] <Manis> do you get anything meaningful?
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3088 [17:33:47] <Lemonade1947> It's active.
3089 [17:33:49] <Lemonade1947> So yeah
3090 [17:33:55] <Lemonade1947> It gives an output
3091 [17:34:04] <Manis> alright.
3092 [17:34:13] <Lemonade1947> WAnna see?
3093 [17:34:33] <Manis> Lemonade1947, No I trust you :)
3094 [17:34:58] <Lemonade1947> Well it might have something in it that's useful to you but I don't undestand :P
3095 [17:35:09] <Lemonade1947> replaced-url
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3097 [17:35:16] <Manis> Lemonade1947, do you have any other application that uses 443? "netstat -tulpn | grep 443"
3098 [17:35:52] <Lemonade1947> There is one apparently on 0.0.0.0
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3101 [17:36:37] <Lemonade1947> I'm not sure if that means anything.
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3103 [17:36:45] <Manis> Lemonade1947, Can you paste the output
3104 [17:36:49] <Lemonade1947> one sec
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3107 [17:37:24] <Lemonade1947> replaced-url
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3109 [17:38:33] <Manis> Lemonade1947, can you run again and check the PID/Program name column again
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3111 [17:38:44] <Lemonade1947> run which again?
3112 [17:38:55] <Manis> Lemonade1947, run as root, sorry, forgot to mention that detail ;-)
3113 [17:39:00] <Lemonade1947> oh :P
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3118 [17:40:25] <Lemonade1947> replaced-url
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3121 [17:41:42] <Manis> Lemonade1947, OK. so stunnel has bound port 443
3122 [17:41:54] <Lemonade1947> Oh..
3123 [17:42:09] <Lemonade1947> lemme try to connect again and see what the new error is. I think this happened earlier.
3124 [17:42:32] <Manis> I think that ptpp also tries to bind :443, which is already bound by stunnel
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3126 [17:42:49] <Lemonade1947> Oh, that'd make sense.
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3128 [17:43:04] <Lemonade1947> So what's acctually bound to 443?
3129 [17:43:40] <Manis> Lemonade1947, stunnel
3130 [17:43:57] <Lemonade1947> I could try it on a different port, see if that works. But it needs to be 443 ultimately.
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3134 [17:46:13] <Lemonade1947> Okay, so I tried doing it on 444 instead, same error.
3135 [17:46:19] <doublehp> how do i run a script at shutdown ?
3136 [17:46:31] <Manis> Lemonade1947, still an error with port 443 or 444 now?
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3139 [17:47:58] <Lemonade1947> error binding to service, with port 444 this time
3140 [17:48:06] <Lemonade1947> error binding service*
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3145 [17:49:21] <Manis> from which application?
3146 [17:49:38] <Lemonade1947> server end
3147 [17:50:29] <Manis> Lemonade1947, can you run "ps axo uid,command | grep stunnel"?
3148 [17:50:33] <Lemonade1947> have to go, will be back later. Sorry.
3149 [17:50:36] <Lemonade1947> Real life and shit.
3150 [17:50:44] <Manis> Lemonade1947, cya
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3153 [17:53:14] <hiya> Which SSH hardening guide do you follow?
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3161 [17:55:31] <Manis> hiya, replaced-url
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3182 [18:02:23] <akoy> Hi guys, more debugging. It's "connman" that turns off the eth0 in the client. How could I stop "connman" doing this?+
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3361 [19:15:00] <XinZhao> hey all
3362 [19:15:13] <XinZhao> is there a way I can raid some usb drives? lol
3363 [19:15:22] <XinZhao> I want them to like 50% stripe each other
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3368 [19:17:35] <xand> XinZhao: you can the same was as internal harddisks. not sure it's a great idea but you could
3369 [19:18:01] <XinZhao> ive never done so under unix before heh
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3371 [19:18:08] <XinZhao> any idea where id start?
3372 [19:18:17] <XinZhao> a tool would be ideal
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3375 [19:19:00] <xand> replaced-url
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3378 [19:20:19] <XinZhao> cheers
3379 [19:20:33] <XinZhao> perfect
3380 [19:20:57] <XinZhao> im going to do a quick hack together with every thumb drive I have and see what kinda speeds I can get haha
3381 [19:21:08] <XinZhao> though later it will be used differently/legitimately heh
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3383 [19:21:32] <XinZhao> if I have a 50/50 striped raid
3384 [19:21:42] <XinZhao> with 2 drives
3385 [19:21:55] <XinZhao> and I write say, 1mb
3386 [19:22:09] <XinZhao> will 0.5mb assuredly go to drive 1 and 0.5mb to drive 2?
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3428 [19:43:29] <ivegotasthma> hello, is it possible to make debian install only FLOSS?
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3430 [19:43:56] <missmbob> ivegotasthma: dont ass contrib/non-free to sources.list. done.
3431 [19:44:00] <missmbob> add* heh
3432 [19:44:14] <ivegotasthma> cool, thanks
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3436 [19:45:10] <ivegotasthma> how does the installer do encryption? Does it use LVM on LUKS+dm-crypt?
3437 [19:45:23] <missmbob> yes
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3439 [19:47:44] <ivegotasthma> is it possible to move the LUKS header to a USB stick after the first 1/2 reboots?
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3510 [20:12:35] <blawiz> can one controll yad's docus on dialogs? before upgrade i could just press enter to dismiss it, but not anymore >:/
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3513 [20:15:04] <zeta-> I was wondering about the dep11 directory in testing/main. There's a couple of large files in there, icons-64x64 (6MB) seems to update a lot and is often 75% of a sync!
3514 [20:15:46] <blawiz> s/docus/focus
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3547 [20:28:23] <fucshiagirl> replaced-url
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3556 [20:31:32] <fucshiagirl> replaced-url
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3566 [20:34:16] <blawiz> whats this shit?
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3572 [20:36:03] <blawiz> dangerous amount of trolling from fucsiagirl
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3608 [20:55:46] <Lemonade1947> Manis, still here?
3609 [20:57:55] <Lemonade1947> Okay, so basically I'm trying to set up Stunnel, but it keeps giving me permission denied.
3610 [20:58:13] <Lemonade1947> I'm not sure how to check if the service is running as root.
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3618 [21:01:02] <pijiu> Lemonade1947, htop and see which user is running a process
3619 [21:01:22] <Lemonade1947> htop?
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3621 [21:01:46] <mtn> ps aux | grep nameofprogram
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3623 [21:02:11] <pijiu> ps aux | grep nginx
3624 [21:02:22] <Lemonade1947> Hmm, running as both.
3625 [21:02:25] <Lemonade1947> which is weird.
3626 [21:02:28] <pijiu> ooops was about to test it on terminal
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3628 [21:03:11] <pijiu> Lemonade1947, can u show the output
3629 [21:03:20] <Lemonade1947> yep, one sec
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3631 [21:03:58] <Lemonade1947> replaced-url
3632 [21:04:00] <pijiu> mtn swede?
3633 [21:04:19] <mtn> pijiu: nope
3634 [21:04:34] <pijiu> Lemonade1947, only 1st line is your stunnel
3635 [21:04:38] <pijiu> 2nd is ur grep process
3636 [21:04:39] <pijiu> :)
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3638 [21:04:48] <pijiu> so yes, its running as root
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3641 [21:05:56] <pijiu> mtn sorry i just used to know one another mtn and it could have been nice to meet him again
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3643 [21:06:13] <mtn> pijiu: no worries
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3647 [21:06:35] <Lemonade1947> pijiu, so what is second line?
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3650 [21:06:54] <pijiu> Lemonade1947, your grep process; feel free to ignore
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3652 [21:07:03] <Lemonade1947> ah, okay :P
3653 [21:07:15] <Lemonade1947> pijiu, so any ideas why it wouldn't be able to bind to port?
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3656 [21:08:31] <pijiu> never worked with stunnel myself but just some clues: 1) have u configured it? 2) is there anything useful in it's logs?
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3659 [21:10:17] <pijiu> replaced-url
3660 [21:10:29] <Lemonade1947> That's the tutorial I'm following.
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3662 [21:10:49] <hicks_> Lemonade1947: stunnel iirc only needs root in some specific scenarios, one being using a port below 1000 or something and the other is for the type of proxy when you want to use source or desitnation
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3664 [21:10:58] <hicks_> outside of that, I think (not certain) it should run as a regular user.
3665 [21:11:05] <Lemonade1947> thing is they're using it for a http proxy, I'm trying to use it for PTTP, but I don't think that would make a difference.
3666 [21:11:11] <Lemonade1947> hicks_, needs to be port 433
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3669 [21:11:38] <hicks_> that'd prob require root then
3670 [21:11:41] <Lemonade1947> yup
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3673 [21:12:42] <pijiu> Lemonade1947, does stunnel shows up in netstat -tulpn?
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3677 [21:13:49] <Lemonade1947> There's something on 433, doesn't give names.
3678 [21:14:00] <pijiu> sudo netstat -tulpn
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3680 [21:14:51] <Lemonade1947> wadda ya know. It's there.
3681 [21:15:02] <Lemonade1947> Why the error, then :/
3682 [21:15:20] <pijiu> which kind of error exactly and at which point
3683 [21:15:28] <Lemonade1947> At starting the program
3684 [21:15:31] <Lemonade1947> I'll paste it.
3685 [21:16:43] <Lemonade1947> replaced-url
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3687 [21:17:24] <Lemonade1947> pasted the whole thing incase something that I don't know is relevent is relevent.
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3691 [21:18:27] <spacebug^> When I restart my router, NetworkManager does not reconnect to it. Not until I either unplug/replug the cable or manually disconnect/connect in the menu, it reconnects. Out from syslog replaced-url
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3693 [21:18:39] <pijiu> Lemonade1947, try sudo service stunnel restart
3694 [21:18:53] <Lemonade1947> okay, I'll send you the new log after
3695 [21:19:37] <pijiu> from what i see u are trying to run already running program and it fails to bind cuz port is in use already although i may be wrong
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3697 [21:20:00] <Lemonade1947> replaced-url
3698 [21:20:18] <pijiu> i havent asked u to run stunnel
3699 [21:20:23] <pijiu> but restarting it
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3701 [21:20:53] <XinZhao> hey this might sound counter intuitive
3702 [21:20:58] <Lemonade1947> I restarted it before :P
3703 [21:21:05] <Lemonade1947> Stunnel just outputs that.
3704 [21:21:07] <XinZhao> but can I compile apt-get for a raw linux kernel system
3705 [21:22:43] <Hello71> XinZhao: it's not counter-intuitive, it just doesn't make any sense
3706 [21:22:54] <XinZhao> that's... one and the same..
3707 [21:22:54] <XinZhao> lol
3708 [21:23:08] <missmbob> no it really made no sense. meaning we have no idea what you want
3709 [21:23:15] <XinZhao> why does it make no sense? I want the apt package management system on a pure linux kernel and nothing else
3710 [21:23:21] <pijiu> Lemonade1947, would u please try changin port to >1000 and test if it will work?
3711 [21:23:22] <Hello71> what is "pure linux kernel"
3712 [21:23:27] <XinZhao> aka not using debian
3713 [21:23:32] <XinZhao> ill compile my own kernel
3714 [21:23:33] <Lemonade1947> pijiu, okay
3715 [21:23:34] <XinZhao> and my own sh
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3717 [21:23:38] <missmbob> XinZhao: replaced-url
3718 [21:23:59] <Hello71> the whole point of the userspace interface is to be portable between kernels
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3722 [21:24:56] <pijiu> Lemonade1947, again; i think running stunel ONCE AGAIN after u just restarted is making no sence nor its correct; as it is already RUNNING and listening probably
3723 [21:25:07] <pijiu> have u tried connecting from client machine yet?
3724 [21:25:27] <Lemonade1947> it's just occured to me that running stunnel is starting a new instance.
3725 [21:25:36] <Lemonade1947> I thought it was just bringing up a log.
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3727 [21:25:52] <pijiu> this is possible why u are getting bind error as that port is in use already
3728 [21:25:56] <XinZhao> Hello71; implying id have no problems doing so?
3729 [21:26:01] <Lemonade1947> I think maybe i might just be an idiot :)))
3730 [21:26:01] <XinZhao> missmbob; ill take a read, thanks
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3732 [21:26:16] <missmbob> XinZhao: oh i'm sure you'll have problems. there's a learning curve.
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3734 [21:26:31] <pijiu> Lemonade1947, its okay to make mistakes :)
3735 [21:26:35] <XinZhao> well it wont necisarilly be me doing it
3736 [21:26:42] <XinZhao> I just need to know what's possible
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3738 [21:27:16] <missmbob> it's also pointless for 99% of installs
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3740 [21:27:22] <XinZhao> why's that?
3741 [21:27:53] <missmbob> it doesn't give you any "extras"...you may think it'll make it "lighter" or faster" or "smaller" or whatever your goal is, but that's not really not it works
3742 [21:28:12] <missmbob> most things in the kernel are modules which means they don't get loaded until needed. it's not just wasting ram
3743 [21:28:17] <Lemonade1947> pijiu, so if we assume the server side is working, now I'm getting an error in windows, but I understand if no one wants to help with that here :P
3744 [21:29:04] <Hello71> missmbob: actually it will make it smaller, but usually that's not too important
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3746 [21:29:18] <pijiu> why not; what kind of error and when Lemonade1947
3747 [21:29:21] <missmbob> disk size. not ram use/etc which is what i said
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3749 [21:29:29] <pijiu> and what are u using
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3753 [21:30:47] <Hello71> missmbob: eh, certain features can't be compiled as modules. but unless you're on a machine with <16 MB RAM it's not a big deal.
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3757 [21:31:12] <missmbob> Hello71: thanks. i know that. i said "most things". having trouble reading closely?
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3759 [21:32:49] <Lemonade1947> pijiu, well the error is pretty vauge since it's windows. but it's just "the port used for this conection was closed"
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3764 [21:34:02] <pijiu> Lemonade1947, 1) i'd check stunnel log for any incoming activity first; 2) are u running any kind of firewall on server? 3) if yes, did u open the said port for incoming connections?
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3768 [21:35:20] <pijiu> 4) are you sure you are trying to connect to correct ip:port?
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3777 [21:38:32] <Lemonade1947> yeah. No firewall on server atm. Although I'll put it back when I'm finished configuring this.
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3781 [21:39:57] <Lemonade1947> looking at the console for the client side, it's making a conection
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3791 [21:44:22] <clueless> Debian noob here. Are drivers for hardware installed automatically? I'm using i3wm and my sound isn't working.
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3803 [21:48:20] <zykotick9> clueless: step one - verify with alsamixer something isn't muted (it is by default). step two - i'm not sure, good luck.
3804 [21:49:10] <antipsychiatry> Why psychiatry must be abolished . replaced-url
3805 [21:49:20] <clueless> I installed i3wm instead of a DE. Could it have not installed something I needed for sound to work? I think it worked before when I had Gnome
3806 [21:50:21] <zykotick9> clueless: is alsamixer present? does it work? do you have more then one sound device? /me isn't actually a fan of sound issues - but HIGHLY suggested checking that mute thing! good luck.
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3809 [21:51:27] <clueless> alsamixer doesnt come up, shall I install it?
3810 [21:51:39] <missmbob> i'd install/run pavucontrol
3811 [21:51:44] <clueless> And just playing sound through headphones out of my motherboard
3812 [21:51:47] <zykotick9> alsa-utils
3813 [21:52:21] * zykotick9 runs audio without a DE and without PA...
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3816 [21:54:45] <terabits> ah the lol fart of my blue toilet
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3819 [21:55:02] <terabits> the eats poopy and weiner
3820 [21:55:16] <terabits> the first one is the most of my favorite part
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3823 [21:55:26] <terabits> on the way to go. the first one is the most of my life, I will not only did I mention the fact that I can get a new one of my favorite is not
3824 [21:55:29] <terabits> I will be a great time. it was a good day. we will have to be a
3825 [21:55:33] <terabits> the only way to get it. it is not an easy way out
3826 [21:55:44] <terabits> the only thing that you have a few days. the only way to go to bed. the first one is for a couple days, so that we have been in contact with the same thing as well, I am a beautiful
3827 [21:55:55] <terabits> I will be a little while ago. I am a beautiful, and I will have a few minutes ago, but it will take you about it and the kids. we have a few days, so I will have to
3828 [21:56:00] <terabits> the other hand, the only thing is, I am going through a lot more than one of the year
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3830 [21:56:18] <terabits> Senki the the the the. I am going to the next week, so that we have been a long time, but it will be in touch with
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3832 [21:56:24] <terabits> on the phone, I will have the ability for you, and the kids, I will be a good 50th, and the
3833 [21:56:30] <terabits> the only thing is to have a great time. I have been in contact. we will need the help and advice for you, I will have the ability for
3834 [21:56:33] <terabits> on the way. it will not only did he do it for you
3835 [21:56:39] <terabits> on the other day. the 6th of my life, and I have to go back in town for work
3836 [21:56:41] <terabits> on the other side, but it
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3838 [21:56:53] <terabits> the Jews, and the other side
3839 [21:56:55] <terabits> the other side of the day of
3840 [21:57:03] <terabits> the other hand, the first to review this week and the kids, I will have the ability for you to know about this
3841 [21:57:15] <zykotick9> !ops | terabits
3842 [21:57:15] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: zykotick9 complains about: | terabits
3843 [21:57:17] <terabits> on Fri Jan 8th of the year of the poop log
3844 [21:57:20] <terabits> the other side of a sudden death of his friends and relatives and
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3846 [21:57:23] <terabits> the first to see if I had the chance.
3847 [21:57:26] <terabits> I will have to be a good day, I will be in a
3848 [21:57:31] <terabits> the other hand, I am a very long, and a lot. it will be able. the only way
3849 [21:57:35] <terabits> the other hand, I am a beautiful, the first one. it will not only did he do
3850 [21:57:42] <terabits> on the phone, I am going to be a good idea, I have a great time in the 50th, and 6
3851 [21:57:51] <terabits> the other hand, I have been a while back and let me know if I could get it done, and the rest. if the weather. if the other hand. this was a good idea to have to go to
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3853 [21:57:58] <terabits> the other side of a sudden death of his friends. I am not a big deal with it, and
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3855 [21:58:04] <terabits> the other side, but the other day, but I'm
3856 [21:58:07] <terabits> the only thing is, of
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3859 [21:58:20] <terabits> 27ef8ax92jd81hx the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the
3860 [21:58:24] <terabits> on Fri
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3864 [21:58:29] <LtL> terabits: too much ketamine for you space cadet
3865 [21:58:38] <terabits> the lulz . we will need the help and advice
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3867 [21:58:41] <terabits> I have been a little while
3868 [21:58:48] <terabits> on Wed Jan the the the, the first time. I will have a few days.
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3870 [21:59:10] <terabits> and ketamine the the old ones of the blogger and the other day
3871 [21:59:12] <missmbob> LtL: just use /ignore while the ops are away
3872 [21:59:17] <terabits> the other side, but it was great, thanks. I'll let us. the other side.
3873 [21:59:25] <terabits> missmbob are the away ops?
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3878 [21:59:35] <missmbob> there we go
3879 [21:59:42] <missmbob> jelly-home: thanks
3880 [21:59:43] <LtL> ++ jelly
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3884 [22:00:15] <LtL> missmbob: yes, i should :)
3885 [22:01:19] <zykotick9> LtL: missmbob i'd just like to comment... any comments about that sorta crap, kinda adds to the problem IMO... ymmv?!
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3892 [22:02:17] <LtL> zykotick9: youre absolutely right, i admit guilt but in my defense oi rarely submit to the urge
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3896 [22:04:19] <jak2000> RoyK?
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3900 [22:05:06] <RoyK> jak2000?
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3923 [22:13:01] <jelly-home> donkey!
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3929 [22:13:50] <TimBandTech> I'm third party man; stay away from donkeys
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3931 [22:14:15] <TimBandTech> debian testing is looking fine these days
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3935 [22:15:40] <WadeWatts> Hi there, i wonder if anyone has experience with wlan dongles of rtl8192cu? I got one from tp-link and NM is having problems connecting to any wifi access point.
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3940 [22:16:44] <WadeWatts> its advertised as a raspberry pi stick so i though compatibility is implied ...
3941 [22:16:55] <WadeWatts> i am running jessi
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3944 [22:17:38] <WadeWatts> debian jessi not raspbian jessie that is.
3945 [22:17:57] <TimBandTech> Wade that sounds familiar. There is a blob for the rtl chips
3946 [22:18:07] <WadeWatts> oh nice :)
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3949 [22:18:47] <WadeWatts> mind telling me where i can find it?
3950 [22:18:50] <TimBandTech> Just hunt the nonfree packages for your chipset using 'apt-cache search' as I recall
3951 [22:18:57] <WadeWatts> ahh
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3956 [22:19:49] <WadeWatts> also does anyone have a recommendation for wlan usb stick oder wlan pci card?
3957 [22:20:09] <TimBandTech> apt-cache search rtl8192 gives packae firmware-realtek
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3962 [22:20:27] <TimBandTech> Digital all the way!
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3964 [22:21:00] <WadeWatts> thanks TimBandTech
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3967 [22:21:35] <WadeWatts> all the hardaware recommendations i can find a outdated :/
3968 [22:21:43] <TimBandTech> so is Digital!
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3970 [22:22:13] <jelly-home> !rtl8192cu
3971 [22:22:14] <dpkg> The Realtek RTL8188CUS and RTL8192CU are USB 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192cu) is in mainline since Linux 2.6.39. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192su> driver. replaced-url
3972 [22:22:14] <WadeWatts> what do you mean by "digital"?
3973 [22:22:33] <WadeWatts> thanks jelly-home
3974 [22:22:46] <TimBandTech> DEC Digital Equipment Corporation
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3976 [22:23:07] <jelly-home> dpkg, tell WadeWatts about non-free sources
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3978 [22:24:10] <WadeWatts> nice
3979 [22:24:14] <WadeWatts> neat bot
3980 [22:24:24] <WadeWatts> jelly-home: thanks mate
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3983 [22:25:36] <TimBandTech> Wade do all research by chipset and ignore the brandnames of the manufacturers
3984 [22:26:12] <TimBandTech> I suspect most everything is supported
3985 [22:26:12] <WadeWatts> yes
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3987 [22:26:46] <WadeWatts> rtl8192cu is really annoying
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3989 [22:27:44] <WadeWatts> its included in the default kernel but whether is completly random
3990 [22:27:55] <WadeWatts> wheather it works
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3993 [22:29:57] <TimBandTech> Yes, I'm running one now. I struggled too. didn't realize it is in the kernel now. As soon as I got the chipset package things were good withou any manual interventions
3994 [22:30:46] <WadeWatts> my problem is i dont have a eth connection
3995 [22:31:15] <WadeWatts> i cant download it if wifi doesnt work :/
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3997 [22:31:56] <WadeWatts> i am on ubuntu now, where it seems to work out of the box, but ubuntu is not the distro i wanted :/
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3999 [22:32:22] <missmbob> you can download it in ubuntu and copy it to a usb stick
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4002 [22:33:05] <TimBandTech> Well if you've got a jack on your computer it is time to pull out the old ethernet cable and see if that interface works
4003 [22:33:28] <WadeWatts> i would need a 12m cable
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4005 [22:33:40] <WadeWatts> access point is one story higher
4006 [22:34:07] <WadeWatts> i think i go with missmbob suggestion
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4008 [22:34:53] <TimBandTech> That's computers for you. You're on the net now so try downloading the package to some media maybe. No details for you there though. Persistence is always the answer with these damn machines
4009 [22:35:11] <WadeWatts> :)
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4027 [22:42:07] <awal1> I have like 3 gb of audio data (mp3) and I want to copy them all to my mp3 player with 2 gb. I can I achieve that?
4028 [22:42:26] <awal1> compressing somehow or what?
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4030 [22:42:50] <awal1> How I can achieve that? ^
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4032 [22:42:55] <pijiu> awal1, u cant store 3gb into 2gb
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4034 [22:43:10] <preaction> you can reduce the bitrate of the mp3
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4036 [22:43:17] <pijiu> preaction, wow smart
4037 [22:43:40] <awal1> pijiu, yeah, I know. looks like a stupid question, but I tought there is a magical way
4038 [22:43:52] <awal1> preaction, how?
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4040 [22:43:56] <pijiu> awal1, what preaction said will work for sure
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4042 [22:44:19] <awal1> no clue about how to do it
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4044 [22:44:24] <pijiu> awal1, replaced-url
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4046 [22:45:22] * awal1 Feels weird seeing bing in my firefox-esr+debian system :P
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4051 [22:46:15] <exezin> Anyone here been able to compile simplescreenrecorder in debian?
4052 [22:46:24] <exezin> I'm running into issues with it
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4055 [22:47:40] <exezin> specifically this replaced-url
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4057 [22:48:03] <unborn> exezin there is an utility build in gnome to record your screen..
4058 [22:48:22] <unborn> exezin: easyscreencast
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4060 [22:48:42] <unborn> works flawlessly
4061 [22:48:44] <exezin> I dont use gnome
4062 [22:48:51] <unborn> cool
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4065 [22:49:16] <exezin> Also simplescreenrecorder supports streaming and what-not
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4067 [22:49:55] <timBandTech> what do you do with the screenrecorder? NSA? CIA?
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4069 [22:50:06] <awal1> replaced-url
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4076 [22:50:44] <unborn> exezin: try kazam
4077 [22:50:48] <exezin> No thanks
4078 [22:50:48] <spacebug^> Is there anyway to configure NetworkManager to continue trying to get an IP från DCHP? As it is now it seems to timeout after 45 seconds and then never try again. replaced-url
4079 [22:51:04] <exezin> I'd much rather just get this working
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4081 [22:51:22] <unborn> exezin: sure.. good luck
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4084 [22:51:58] <timBandTech> Is Debian hacked?
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4087 [22:52:25] <unborn> timBandTech: no
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4090 [22:53:32] <timBandTech> Are there downstream packages that have been hacked?
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4094 [22:55:56] <missmbob> timBandTech: what are you talking about? do you have a real question in there? have a specific CVE?
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4097 [22:57:12] <timBandTech> I'm polling to develop an opinion on whether debian has been infiltrated.
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4100 [22:57:44] <missmbob> timBandTech: sigh.
4101 [22:57:57] <unborn> lol
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4103 [22:59:00] <OerHeks> Aliens come and go, but totally debian-offtopic
4104 [22:59:01] <timBandTech> I know, it's kind of obvious isn't it... voluntary software likely has ten governments infiltrating.
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4106 [22:59:22] <missmbob> timBandTech: if you dont have a support question please go to #debian-offtopic
4107 [22:59:58] <awal1> exezin, you can use ffmpeg for record your screen, not complicated and it does the job just fine
4108 [23:00:05] <exezin> I'm aware
4109 [23:00:16] <exezin> I'd rather just have this working, not sure why I'm running into issues with it
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4111 [23:00:40] <unborn> exezin: how about to ask package developer ?
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4113 [23:00:51] <exezin> There's no package for it?
4114 [23:00:57] <mrrhq> Imo, ffmpeg is not so easy to learn how to use properly. Took me a while to figure out the right codecs, settings, etc...
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4116 [23:01:13] <exezin> I'm trying to compile it
4117 [23:01:17] <missmbob> exezin: ffmpeg is in jessie-backports
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4119 [23:01:26] <exezin> not ffmpeg
4120 [23:01:28] <exezin> simplescreenrecorder
4121 [23:01:31] <unborn> exezin: from what? if there is no package?
4122 [23:01:39] <exezin> unborn: from github>?
4123 [23:01:40] <exezin> from source?
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4126 [23:02:09] <unborn> exezin: sure.. git hub - yeah - you can ask devs there.. just open an issue
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4130 [23:02:31] <exezin> There's a load of issues and most are unanswered because there's so many
4131 [23:02:33] <exezin> I'
4132 [23:02:41] <exezin> I'm asking here because I'd rather not wait weeks for a response :p
4133 [23:02:44] <unborn> exezin: sure.. is your debian working?
4134 [23:03:04] <exezin> what?
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4136 [23:03:22] <exezin> 'is my debian working' what do you mean by that?
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4144 [23:05:36] <pinkfucshia> replaced-url
4145 [23:05:39] <unborn> exezin: i mean its not debian related issue.. you asking about some github source where you can clearly ask devs for help.. actually you are asking for some software support - I aint seen that in debian repos(if its there then sorry but still better to ask directly the devs of that package) - if your debian as an os works - there is no issue.. - or is it?
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4148 [23:06:00] <TomTomTosch> exezin: the github page has instructions specifically for debian. did you follow them?
4149 [23:06:12] <exezin> unborn: does my issue have to be related to distro bugs to ask for help in here?
4150 [23:06:17] <exezin> TomTomTosch: yep
4151 [23:06:35] <exezin> This is an odd one replaced-url
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4153 [23:06:42] <somiaj> exezin: yes, the topic of this channel is debian support. There is ##linux for general linux support.
4154 [23:06:59] <exezin> somiaj: well the errors seem to relate to deps that I have gotten from the debian repos
4155 [23:07:01] <exezin> relavent enough?
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4157 [23:07:21] <somiaj> exezin: note support for installing software in debian is on topic here, but lots of time the suggestion is if there isn't already a debian package to get the support/docs from creater of software. (:
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4161 [23:07:54] <pinkfucshia> "He understood the Zionists, their fiat currency, the petrodollar, he understood Mossad, he understood all of it."
4162 [23:07:57] <somiaj> exezin: I'd answer TomTomTosch question about did you follow the rules for debian and if so which step was causing you problems. Also what version of debian are you running?
4163 [23:08:03] <unborn> ^^^^ exactly as somiaj said
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4165 [23:08:16] <exezin> somiaj: I did answer his question..
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4167 [23:08:26] <exezin> debian 8
4168 [23:08:41] <TomTomTosch> exezin: can't really help you, my advise would be to try a different branch if master is broken and you don't want to ask the devs.
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4170 [23:09:18] <TomTomTosch> exezin: they have multiple release tags
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4174 [23:09:36] <exezin> I'll give older versions a go
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4176 [23:09:44] <unborn> ask the devs - that is what I said couple of times.
4177 [23:09:51] <exezin> yeah I saw the first few times
4178 [23:09:55] <exezin> no need to repeat yourself bud
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4184 [23:10:27] <exezin> same issues on older versions, something wrong with a dep installed from the debian repos
4185 [23:10:31] <exezin> weird
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4189 [23:12:16] <mrrhq> exezin: I can give a quick ffmpeg recording script I use if you're tired of compiling SimpleScreenRecorder.
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4193 [23:12:47] <exezin> Sure, why not. No versions appear to compile anyway
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4198 [23:13:17] <somiaj> exezin: what video card/drivers are you using?
4199 [23:13:37] <mrrhq> exezin: replaced-url
4200 [23:13:37] <exezin> gtx 770, propiatery drivers version 367.27
4201 [23:13:49] <mrrhq> I'm still testing 60FPS on YouTube. Not sure how well it works.
4202 [23:13:55] <nuldkopp> Hi, I'm trying to install bumblebee-nvidia but I am seeing an error 'bumblebee-nvidia depends bumblebee (= 3.2.1-7) but 3.2.1-13 is going to be installed'
4203 [23:14:17] <mrrhq> And it also has an unused variable, so it's pretty hacked-together.
4204 [23:14:21] <somiaj> exezin: that might be your issue, the -dev files the instructions i'm seeing it wants to install are for the open source gl libs, they might not be compadable with the nvidia driver.
4205 [23:14:27] * unborn nods mrrhq - nice one!
4206 [23:14:40] <somiaj> nuldkopp: what version of debian are you running?
4207 [23:14:42] <exezin> mrrhq: nice nice, thanks
4208 [23:14:58] <somiaj> ,v bumblebee-nvidia
4209 [23:14:59] <judd> Package: bumblebee-nvidia on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 3.2.1-4~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 3.2.1-7; jessie-backports/contrib: 3.2.1-13~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 3.2.1-13; stretch/contrib: 3.2.1-13
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4211 [23:15:09] <mrrhq> exezin: It requires a modern version of ffmpeg with libx264rgb support.
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4213 [23:15:39] <somiaj> nuldkopp: looks like you have a conflict between packages from jessie and jessie backports. Are you trying to install bumblebee from jessie or jessie-backports?
4214 [23:15:47] <nuldkopp> somiaj: latest version.. not sure how to check exact version
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4216 [23:16:24] <somiaj> nuldkopp: have you installed some stuff for bumblebee or nvidia from jessie-backports and trying to now install this from jessie? Would adding a -t jessie-backports to your install command pull int he right versions?
4217 [23:16:28] <nuldkopp> somiaj: not sure... it should be in jessie right?
4218 [23:16:37] <TomTomTosch> nuldkopp: the command you used to install plus the full output and the output of apt-cache plicy to paste.debian.net would help.
4219 [23:16:48] <somiaj> nuldkopp: the versions seem to be an conflict between jessie and jessie-backports
4220 [23:16:54] <TomTomTosch> nuldkopp: * apt-cache policy that is
4221 [23:17:14] <nuldkopp> okay 1 sec
4222 [23:17:16] <TomTomTosch> or it might be a mix of stable and testing.
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4224 [23:17:30] <somiaj> yea a mix of stable and testign will be lots harder to deal with.
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4226 [23:17:52] <nuldkopp> my kernel is from unstable
4227 [23:17:59] <nuldkopp> maybe I should add -t unstable?
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4230 [23:18:12] <somiaj> nuldkopp: so you are mixing unstable and stable. This will break things and we dont' support mixing.
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4233 [23:18:37] <nuldkopp> somiaj: how do I make sure I don't mix them?
4234 [23:18:42] <nuldkopp> im fine with using just unstable
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4236 [23:18:51] <nuldkopp> stable kernel doesnt have all of the stuff i need
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4238 [23:18:56] <somiaj> nuldkopp: paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net
4239 [23:18:59] <somiaj> (as per TomTomTosch suggestion)
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4243 [23:19:14] <somiaj> nuldkopp: note we provide newer kernels in jessie-backports
4244 [23:19:16] <somiaj> ,kernels
4245 [23:19:17] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
4246 [23:19:32] <somiaj> nuldkopp: jessie-backports has a 4.6.0 kernel which is close to the version in unstable
4247 [23:19:44] <nuldkopp> somiaj: oh.. :S
4248 [23:20:05] <somiaj> nuldkopp: you shouldn't need to run unstable to get a newer kernel. But you may have put yourself in a state were to run stable + backports you'll have to reinstall.
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4251 [23:20:15] <somiaj> nuldkopp: but first, the output of the command I asked for.
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4254 [23:20:51] <nuldkopp> is there a tool I can use to pastebin a command? cause i dont have graphics or browser on that machine
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4258 [23:20:59] <somiaj> !pastebinit
4259 [23:21:00] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
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4262 [23:22:07] <nuldkopp> somiaj: replaced-url
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4266 [23:22:47] <somiaj> nuldkopp: you are mixing stable + unstable which is not supported and depending on how badly you ahve mixed things hard to fix without a reinstall.
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4270 [23:23:21] <unborn> nuldkopp: replaced-url
4271 [23:23:22] <nuldkopp> somiaj: I think the only thing I actually used from unstable was the kernel, can I just remove the unstable from apt config and reinstall a kernel from backports?
4272 [23:23:36] <somiaj> nuldkopp: my suggestion is 1) in the future do not do this, learn about jessie-backports (which is also in your sources.list). 2) You have 3 basic choices. a) reinstall stable, b) try to figure otu which packages are installed from unstable and downgrade them manually c) fully upgrade to unstable.
4273 [23:23:38] <nuldkopp> this is my first time using debian
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4276 [23:24:09] <unborn> nuldkopp: congratulations - still dont break the debian ;)
4277 [23:24:10] <nuldkopp> somiaj: is there a simple way to do either of those things?
4278 [23:24:16] <somiaj> nuldkopp: note you could also have anything the kernel depended on installed from unstable. If you ran apt-get upgrade you could have a large part of your machine unstable, and anything you installed after you modified your sources would be from unstable.
4279 [23:24:19] <missmbob> nuldkopp: then start over if it's a new box. safest way to make sure you remain stable
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4282 [23:24:38] <nuldkopp> unborn: the kernel upgrade guide just references kernels from unstable, testing, experimental without any warnings or anything
4283 [23:24:41] <nuldkopp> i just followed that
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4286 [23:25:06] <unborn> nuldkopp: can you give me the link ?
4287 [23:25:09] <somiaj> nuldkopp: fully upgrading to unstable and dealing with all of unstables bugs is the only thing that is mostly 'automatic'. A reinstall is the safest bet, and trying to figure out which packages are installed from unstable and downgrading them can very and there is no automatic downgrade option.
4288 [23:25:15] <unborn> or source you followed out it from ?
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4290 [23:25:33] <nuldkopp> unborn: replaced-url
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4294 [23:25:52] <somiaj> nuldkopp: It isn't uncommon that people mix, but it just isn't supported here due to the issues it can create.
4295 [23:25:59] <nuldkopp> somiaj: how do I fully upgrade to unstable (thug life) ?
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4297 [23:26:08] <somiaj> nuldkopp: but in general on a linke libary system (like debian) you want to stick to a single release.
4298 [23:26:17] <somiaj> !tell nuldkopp about unstable
4299 [23:26:19] <missmbob> nuldkopp: for your first debian install you really shouldnt use unstable
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4302 [23:26:34] <somiaj> nuldkopp: at this point remove the jessie and jessie-backport sources and run apt-get dist-upgrade and hope you don't run into any bugs.
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4304 [23:26:36] <TomTomTosch> to be fair, that wiki page is terrible.
4305 [23:26:41] <missmbob> it is
4306 [23:26:46] <unborn> ....someone should update that page.. it horrible
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4309 [23:27:01] <somiaj> nuldkopp: but I'd listen to missmbob and reinstall stable. It is a much better experience and then use our help to get a newer kernel from jessie-backports.
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4312 [23:27:12] <missmbob> i'm feeling lazy but i will later if no one else does
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4321 [23:28:25] <nuldkopp> somiaj: its just painful to install again I ran into a few issues during install which took me 2 days to resolve using guides
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4324 [23:28:36] <unborn> missmbob: to my knowledge only the ;ones; can update those pages.. if you can do it, do so please. many thanks.
4325 [23:28:57] <missmbob> unborn: yes i can update it
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4328 [23:29:20] <TomTomTosch> he's the one \o/
4329 [23:29:24] <missmbob> :P
4330 [23:29:32] <teraflops> hmm I have a wiki account too
4331 [23:29:36] <unborn> yeah!
4332 [23:30:04] <nuldkopp> somiaj: what about removing the unstable packages, is there a simple way to do that?
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4337 [23:30:27] <somiaj> nuldkopp: we can help you through if you want, choice is yours of course, but we suggest running stable. If running unstable, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is the prefered place for support for future knowledge.
4338 [23:30:41] <missmbob> with your luck it updated libc6 or something. if that's the case no. basically downgrading reliably is near impossible.
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4341 [23:30:54] <somiaj> nuldkopp: no automatic way, there are ways to get a list of all packages installed from unstable (or not installed from stable) but I'd have to look up how to do this with aptitdue search.
4342 [23:31:18] <somiaj> and yes, downgrades (due to how install scripts work) may not revert things and still leave artifacts.
4343 [23:31:56] <nuldkopp> fuck :(, okay I guess i better start from scratch
4344 [23:31:57] * mrrhq proposes #debian-next on Freenode as well. :p
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4346 [23:32:09] <unborn> nuldkopp: im sorry you did switch to unstable by wrong wiki page.. simpler and fastest and easiest way your be reinstal really
4347 [23:32:10] <TomTomTosch> you can see which packages are installed using aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?archive(unstable))'
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4349 [23:32:32] <TomTomTosch> you know, just out of interest.
4350 [23:32:43] <nuldkopp> unborn: you don't know how many issues i faced during install because of hardware and other issues :(
4351 [23:33:03] <somiaj> nuldkopp: we can help you through them. Do you have hardware which requires non-free firmware?
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4353 [23:33:24] <awal1> I'm so using ffmeg for reduce the bitrate of my mp3 audio files (cd to audio dir then ffmpeg -i fileA.mp3 -ab 60 fileB.mp3) and it's very helpful. How to do that for a whole directory keeping the original names of the files?
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4355 [23:33:31] <awal1> ffmpeg ^
4356 [23:33:34] <nuldkopp> somiaj: yeah, I mean i resolved those issues already since im at this point... it just take sa long tmie
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4358 [23:33:50] <somiaj> !firmware images
4359 [23:33:51] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
4360 [23:34:19] <unborn> nuldkopp: I can imagine.. we all have been there.. at least you know what to do in this resintall.. I am really sorry for that. anyway wifi is not an issue.. I use intel for graphics so I am native to linux.. however I aint used nvidia/amd from 2009
4361 [23:34:34] <somiaj> nuldkopp: there is a link to a net-install image that contains the non-free firmware. If you can install off the debian kernel, use that firmware image to install a base system, then we can help you install a newer kernel form jessie-backports (the 4.6 one you want) and from there you should be able to start isntalling the software you want.
4362 [23:34:39] <nuldkopp> also, a lot of the links in wikis and guides point to places that have outdates and/or incomplete firmware...
4363 [23:34:41] <mrrhq> Hmm, there is #debian-next on Freenode but it's invite only...
4364 [23:34:51] <unborn> nuldkopp: but surely reinstall would be the fastest and easiest ;)
4365 [23:34:54] <nuldkopp> I was lucky to find a git repo that had working firmware for me on accident
4366 [23:35:05] <missmbob> mrrhq: because #debian-next is on OFTC
4367 [23:35:20] <somiaj> mrrhq: yea it is closed because many people in #debian-next aren't on both networks (and oftc is the offical debian irc network)
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4369 [23:35:38] <somiaj> mrrhq: it would be nice if it gave the user a comment to go to irc.oftc.net = irc.debian.org
4370 [23:36:08] <nuldkopp> git didnt work properly with gnutls, i had to build from source using openssl
4371 [23:36:12] <mrrhq> somiaj: Oh that's cool, I didn't know OFTC was run by Debian.
4372 [23:36:36] <unborn> nuldkopp: only few people could edit those pages.. its good coz no rubbish is there but also sometimes - those are the one who would not change it for long time which leads to bad apples like your ones.. things happens, no one is perfect.. all I can say I feel you and I am sorry for that.
4373 [23:36:40] <missmbob> mrrhq: it's not
4374 [23:36:52] <mrrhq> missmbob: It says it's run by SPI though.
4375 [23:36:53] <somiaj> nuldkopp: since it is on aonther machine, we here can problably help you through those issues a lot quicker and maybe be able to point to documentation that isn't outdated.
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4377 [23:36:59] <mrrhq> Still..
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4379 [23:37:28] <unborn> somiaj: replaced-url
4380 [23:37:30] <mrrhq> >OFTC is a member project of Software in the Public Interest
4381 [23:37:34] <mrrhq> To be specific.
4382 [23:37:38] <unborn> outdated / wrong ^^^
4383 [23:37:41] <TomTomTosch> unborn: it's a wiki, everyone can edit it. it's a curse and a blessing.
4384 [23:37:44] <nuldkopp> somiaj: I have all of the guides and links that worked for me saved... I'll just try to do it as fast as possible, be back in like an hour hopefully..
4385 [23:38:00] <unborn> TomTomTosch: - let me try..
4386 [23:38:02] <somiaj> mrrhq: I don't know if it is run by debian, I just know debian switched from freenode to oftc to be their irc network about 10 years ago. #debian is the only channel that remains on freenode. All the other debian irc channels are on oftc.
4387 [23:38:13] <missmbob> nuldkopp: i wouldn't use them if they had you compiling crap for git
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4389 [23:38:24] <missmbob> nuldkopp: just come in here once it's installed
4390 [23:38:31] <unborn> TomTomTosch: actually yes, I am able to create account
4391 [23:38:41] <missmbob> TomTomTosch: you had to say something :P
4392 [23:38:54] <unborn> TomTomTosch: is there anyone who actually check updated things on those pages? or....
4393 [23:39:05] <TomTomTosch> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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4395 [23:39:53] <unborn> :D
4396 [23:40:01] <unborn> great answer
4397 [23:40:04] <mrrhq> somiaj: People come here on Freenode because it's pretty popular and has a decent community/policies in place. But still, not a huge pain to start another buffer in Weechat to connect to another IRC Server with those channels I guess.
4398 [23:40:34] <TomTomTosch> depends on the page. i guess some are being watched.
4399 [23:40:43] <somiaj> mrrhq: I'm unsure why debian moved away from freenode, I just know that is the state of things. hence why #debian is the only channel here and the other channels are locked.
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4401 [23:41:08] <missmbob> i caught one last week which had progeny as an example.
4402 [23:41:15] <missmbob> i hardly remember progeny
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4405 [23:41:55] <somiaj> missmbob: I only rember it as it was my first debian install that I broke every debian suggestion about not mixing with. Looking back at those days I'm still surpised anything worked.
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4410 [23:43:50] <unborn> somiaj: there was an times when freenode was loosing its purpose few years back.. loosing its own manifesto.. not only debian left but many and much more opensourced projects left as well.. it was just grey times for freenode.. since then freenode is back on track and its once again great as it used to be back in '90
4411 [23:44:21] <mtn> loosing or losing?
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4413 [23:44:56] <unborn> mtn: l'sing :)
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4417 [23:45:57] <TomTomTosch> do you think people will notice if we copypaste from the arch wiki? :>
4418 [23:46:06] <missmbob> TomTomTosch: i've done it before
4419 [23:46:28] <unborn> TomTomTosch: not really and even if so.. its opensourced - even the content ;)
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4423 [23:48:20] <TomTomTosch> oy, don't ruin my joke.
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4425 [23:48:41] <missmbob> TomTomTosch: you've had better
4426 [23:48:47] <TomTomTosch> :/
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