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1 [00:00:52] <merlin_> Looks like libgcrpyt20 is already installed ... now I'm really confused
2 [00:01:22] <Digit> "it is"? rhetorical? genuine? it=systemd? it=withoutsystemd? i dont really care for an answer. just thought i'd point out how vague n open to interpretation n lacking clear context your reply was. ^_^
3 [00:01:59] <merlin_> oh thats deb8u1 not deb8u2
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6 [00:02:26] <x86iac> merlin_: do you have the dev pkg installed?
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10 [00:03:39] <merlin_> x86iac, no dev is not installed, think I'm losing it ... this is definitely pointing to a problem with dpkg though
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13 [00:04:31] <x86iac> the openssl dev ?
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15 [00:06:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> merlin_, what does dpkg -l libgcrypt20 say?
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17 [00:07:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> (should be one line if you skip the header)
18 [00:08:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, dunno. you only have one partition, maybe you should fsck it
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24 [00:10:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> and your dpkg-deb binary checksum didn't match what it should… and you haven't told us if//what debsums said --> debsums dpkg |grep -v OK
25 [00:11:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> if dpkg-deb is really corrupt, could be some problem with the disk or something malicious…
26 [00:11:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> still, time to check disk then
27 [00:11:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, forcefsck
28 [00:11:53] <dpkg> To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line.
29 [00:12:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> so. time to sleep. gn.
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31 [00:13:33] <merlin_> ri libgcrypt20:i386 1.6.3-2+deb8u1 i386 LGPL Crypto library - runtime library
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37 [00:14:46] <merlin_> CutMeOwnThroat, thanks for your support, I'll try a shutdown -F
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48 [00:18:12] <DeaDSouL> how to know the application version? not the package one? ex: `aptitude show xbmc` shows the version of debian xbmc version... not the xbmc version...
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53 [00:20:24] <TomTomTosch> DeaDSouL: the upstream version comes right after the colon.
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57 [00:22:03] <DeaDSouL> TomTomTosch: yes... right... silly me :D
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59 [00:22:30] <anonrate> Openswan isn't available for stretch... Is it?
60 [00:22:43] <DeaDSouL> TomTomTosch: and how can I know the version of xbmc in jessie-backports ?
61 [00:23:05] <TomTomTosch> ,v xbmc
62 [00:23:06] <judd> Package: xbmc on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1; wheezy-backports: 2:13.2+dfsg1-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:13.2+dfsg1-4; sid: 2:13.2+dfsg1-6; stretch: 2:13.2+dfsg1-6; wheezy-multimedia: 4:12.3.1-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 5:14.2; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2
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64 [00:23:24] <TomTomTosch> DeaDSouL: there is none in backports.
65 [00:23:46] <x86iac> anonrate: use strongswan
66 [00:24:13] <anonrate> What about xlibl2tdp or what ever it's called?
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69 [00:24:19] <TomTomTosch> DeaDSouL: and both sid and stretch use 13.2 too.
70 [00:24:35] <DeaDSouL> TomTomTosch: yeah i noticed that.. do you recommend adding jessie-multimedia repo?
71 [00:24:56] <DeaDSouL> TomTomTosch: i'm only going to need xbmc
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73 [00:25:39] <TomTomTosch> DeaDSouL: multimedia often breaks things, it's generally not recommended.
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76 [00:26:30] <TomTomTosch> DeaDSouL: i don't know much, but isn't kodi the continuation of xbmc?
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78 [00:26:42] <DeaDSouL> TomTomTosch: yes it is
79 [00:26:50] <DeaDSouL> ,v kodi
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81 [00:26:51] <judd> Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 16.1+dfsg1-1~bpo8+3; stretch: 16.1+dfsg1-2; sid: 16.1+dfsg1-2; experimental: 17.0~alpha3+dfsg1-1; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:16.1-dmo6
82 [00:27:01] <TomTomTosch> that looks better.
83 [00:27:03] <x86iac> mplayer2 is the only good player
84 [00:27:06] <DeaDSouL> yeah.. it's much better
85 [00:27:26] <x86iac> ^^ high five DeaDSouL
86 [00:27:34] <DeaDSouL> x86iac: hi5 bro :D
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88 [00:28:16] <DeaDSouL> TomTomTosch: thanks bro :)
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90 [00:28:23] <TomTomTosch> no problemo
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92 [00:29:33] <ccrhy> OK, after a lot of tears and wailing and gnashing of teeth, I got grub installed on this server. But now it drops me straight to grub rescue>
93 [00:29:38] <ccrhy> What do I type in there?
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100 [00:32:15] <ccrhy> When I do ls, I only get hd0, msdos1, which is ONLY my grub USB flash drie, not the software RAID where debian is installed.
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103 [00:34:48] <ccrhy> insmod normal says "unknown filesystem"
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110 [00:36:47] <MeepDude> Hi I am attempting to dual boot windows7 and debian jessie and after install I still go straight into windows. No grub menu to speak of. I installed grub to /dev/sda
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112 [00:37:29] <x86iac> what does 'to speak of mean'
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117 [00:38:18] <MeepDude> I don't see one when I boot I press f2 to get to it and it only gives me a windows 7 option
118 [00:38:33] <MeepDude> replaced-url
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121 [00:39:18] <MeepDude> That is bootinfoscript output of my installation
122 [00:39:24] <x86iac> any error or problem on the debian install?
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124 [00:40:05] <MeepDude> None whatsoever
125 [00:40:10] <MeepDude> I am on a t560
126 [00:40:22] <MeepDude> I got lenovo because I wanted to run Linux
127 [00:41:21] <x86iac> can you use the live cd and see if htere is a linux partition?
128 [00:41:45] <MeepDude> oh there is I checked
129 [00:42:23] <mtn> MeepDude: are you doing efi or legacy boot?
130 [00:42:42] <MeepDude> To be honest I am not sure I think uefi
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132 [00:42:51] <MeepDude> Any way to check while in windows
133 [00:42:56] <MeepDude> ???
134 [00:43:03] <mtn> MeepDude: you can use the debian installer, expert mode, to get to a rescue function. reinstall grub
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136 [00:44:08] <MeepDude> does that require me to leave windows?
137 [00:44:16] <mtn> MeepDude: of course it does
138 [00:44:24] <anonrate> Anything marked with "rc" in "dpgk -l" is available for purge, ya?
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141 [00:44:56] <MeepDude> Okay once I am in my live system then what?
142 [00:45:21] <mtn> MeepDude: you can use the debian installer, expert mode, to get to a rescue function. reinstall grub
143 [00:45:38] <mtn> MeepDude: did you install from a live disk?
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145 [00:45:43] <MeepDude> Yes
146 [00:45:53] <MeepDude> I installed from a live disk
147 [00:45:58] <mtn> MeepDude: that is not recommended. best to use the netinstall or a full install disk
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149 [00:46:18] <missmbob> probably uefi then
150 [00:46:24] <sypher> MeepDude: Odds are good that your Lenovo is using EFI boot, which the live disk is not compatible with.
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155 [00:46:41] <MeepDude> So then what do I do
156 [00:46:50] <missmbob> use the real installer. not live
157 [00:46:54] <missmbob> reinstall
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160 [00:47:05] <mtn> MeepDude: get a netinstall, go from there
161 [00:47:20] <mtn> MeepDude: start over ;)
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163 [00:47:39] <MeepDude> Okay I am going to recreate my key using netbootin
164 [00:48:03] <mtn> MeepDude: no, don't do that, either ;)
165 [00:48:16] <mtn> !unetbootin
166 [00:48:17] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
167 [00:48:21] <x86iac> MeepDude: didn't you leave windows when you installed ?
168 [00:48:37] <MeepDude> Yes I did
169 [00:48:44] <MeepDude> Then continue to use LiLi
170 [00:48:44] <missmbob> !win32diskimager
171 [00:48:45] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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173 [00:48:52] <missmbob> MeepDude: use that ^ *not* unetbootin
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183 [00:51:55] <MeepDude> Any idea what the problem could be overall though?
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186 [00:52:32] <x86iac> you didn't do a good installation ...
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188 [00:52:53] <missmbob> MeepDude: you used two things that were never meant to work
189 [00:52:57] <DeaDSouL> MeepDude: check your bios. does it allow the legacy? uefi only? and the debian ISO is it efi? normal?
190 [00:53:19] <mnuhmnuh> mtn: dont use unetbootin. jigdo!
191 [00:53:20] <missmbob> DeaDSouL: uefi with live. it's been covered
192 [00:53:43] <mtn> mnuhmnuh: I don't use it. keep up!
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196 [00:54:07] <MeepDude> Not sure if it allows legacy or uefi only I need to look it up in the settings
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198 [00:54:24] <mnuhmnuh> mtn: sry, confused. :-P
199 [00:54:27] <MeepDude> I am using the amd64 netinstall to do it not sure if it is efi
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202 [00:55:07] <MeepDude> Okay I am going to reinstall now
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205 [00:55:20] <mtn> MeepDude: the netinstall will do both
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208 [00:55:53] <x86iac> MeepDude: next step is you will have to ship the machine to our hospital
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210 [00:56:32] <MeepDude> Okay interesting thing I pulled up disk manager and i found a 100mb partition with efi on it
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213 [00:57:11] <DeaDSouL> x86iac: lol :D
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216 [00:57:38] <MeepDude> So then I have efi
217 [00:57:52] <sypher> my god...
218 [00:57:52] <MeepDude> Now what does that change in this case if anything
219 [00:58:11] <missmbob> it means nothing since you're using netinst this time and not live
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221 [00:59:44] <MeepDude> It has been 6yrs since I have done this. I have used virtual machines exclusiving sypher
222 [00:59:51] <MeepDude> @sypher
223 [01:00:03] <_unreal_> how do I setup an ssh server?
224 [01:00:13] <MeepDude> Switching from debian to ubutnu to arch and fedora
225 [01:00:20] <MeepDude> Just forgot the basics I suppose
226 [01:00:26] <_unreal_> ?
227 [01:00:30] <MeepDude> I will be back after a while
228 [01:01:01] <_unreal_> can any one give me a hand setting up an SSH server?
229 [01:01:05] <mnuhmnuh> _unreal_: apt-get install ssh, then fix config file.
230 [01:01:27] <mtn> doesn't the debian wiki have a section on ssh?
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232 [01:01:36] <missmbob> _unreal_: and don't repeat yourself. wait and be patient
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234 [01:02:02] <_unreal_> arg.... worlds slowest computer
235 [01:02:24] <_unreal_> 800mhz arm :)
236 [01:02:58] <DeaDSouL> _unreal_: `aptitude install openssh-server`
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238 [01:03:20] <_unreal_> DeaDSouL, I'm waiting on the computer litteraly
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240 [01:03:31] <mnuhmnuh> missmbob: give 'em a break. i'm just starting to understand irssi after years of fighting with it trying to understand irc.
241 [01:03:32] <DeaDSouL> _unreal_: then `vim /etc/ssh/ssh_config` as you want
242 [01:03:54] <TomTomTosch> sshd_config is for the server.
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245 [01:05:04] <DeaDSouL> TomTomTosch: right, missed the 'd' :D
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247 [01:05:25] <anonrate> How to continue purge even if packages that were specified aren't present? Is there soemthing like continue even if error?
248 [01:05:48] <_unreal_> installing
249 [01:05:54] <mnuhmnuh> _unreal_: best to disallow root logins, and passwords except initially. ssh-keygen/genkey? key based login much better.
250 [01:06:02] <DeaDSouL> guys, I wrote a small script that checks and alerts about battery's level... how to run it automatically when the system boots?
251 [01:06:21] <anonrate> I'm just doing sudo apt-get purge with a big list of packages and there are about 8 that I spelt wrong and don't want to currently go through finding them.
252 [01:07:09] <_unreal_> ok finally
253 [01:08:10] <TomTomTosch> anonrate: if you have removed a package apt-get purge should still be able to remove the config files.
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255 [01:09:01] <_unreal_> looking at ssh_config, I have never played with it before
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257 [01:09:15] <anonrate> I know, but I have mis spelt some of the packages. Maybe thrown in an extra letter, left one out, you know, stuff like that. Is there a way to ignore that and just continue with the purge?
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259 [01:09:21] <DeaDSouL> _unreal_: *sshd_config*
260 [01:09:29] <_unreal_> ?
261 [01:09:33] <_unreal_> I'm not sure what you mean
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265 [01:10:02] <ld> hi guys
266 [01:10:15] <_unreal_> $%#$% helps to use the correct keyboard when working between two computers with out ssh working
267 [01:10:23] <_unreal_> hehe
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269 [01:10:27] <mnuhmnuh> _unreal_: /etc/ssh/sshd_config
270 [01:10:38] <_unreal_> mnuhmnuh, whats what I'm looking at right now
271 [01:10:46] <ld> hi all
272 [01:10:58] <ld> will anything Bad happen if i resize my partitions using gparted on a livecd
273 [01:11:05] <DeaDSouL> _unreal_: check the file located in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ... good idea to check all files in /etc/ssh/ just to get the picture and know how things are
274 [01:11:12] <_unreal_> ld, depends
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276 [01:11:23] <missmbob> _unreal_: earlier you said ssh_config (missing the d. both exist. one client one server)
277 [01:11:24] <_unreal_> what partition type are you resizing? if its LVM dont do it
278 [01:11:47] <mnuhmnuh> ld: it's worked for me in the past.
279 [01:12:06] <x86iac> ld: copy the files off - then delete partition and remake it to size you want
280 [01:12:09] <ld> looks like its just ext4
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282 [01:12:19] <x86iac> and then copy files back - using livecd
283 [01:12:22] <_unreal_> ld if its just ext4 then you should be fine
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285 [01:12:39] <ld> x86iac: wont that mess up the bootloader
286 [01:12:42] <_unreal_> just use gparted, rezize, drag to new size desired
287 [01:12:57] <_unreal_> resize
288 [01:13:05] <x86iac> what partition are you using ? you can rerun the grub install if it is a problem
289 [01:13:21] <_unreal_> and ld yes that will batch the grub
290 [01:13:23] <ld> first partition on the disk /dev/sda1
291 [01:13:32] <ld> what does the computer run after starting up
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293 [01:13:44] <ld> is it a specific sector on the disk
294 [01:13:50] <mnuhmnuh> ld: _unreal_ "batch"?
295 [01:14:05] <ld> i think he meant 'botch'
296 [01:14:16] <mnuhmnuh> _unreal_: "batch"?
297 [01:14:21] <_unreal_> I botched botch
298 [01:14:30] <_unreal_> lol
299 [01:14:31] <mnuhmnuh> :-)
300 [01:14:53] <afernandez_> wht is http cache cleaner?
301 [01:14:56] <x86iac> i thought he was just cool
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303 [01:14:57] <afernandez_> what it does?
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306 [01:15:10] <_unreal_> http cache cleaner?
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308 [01:15:24] <_unreal_> sounds like a web browser cache folder deleter
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312 [01:15:38] <_unreal_> ok so back to setting up an SSH server
313 [01:15:42] <afernandez_> never see it now is running
314 [01:16:50] <MeepDude> So far the install is going well
315 [01:17:11] <x86iac> don't batch it up
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317 [01:17:18] <MeepDude> Haven't gotten to installing Grub yet
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320 [01:18:18] <MeepDude> OK so this has been bothering me all day I install Grub to the hard drive right but should I choose the actual windows partition
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322 [01:18:28] <x86iac> i have an old copy of lilo on a sd thing just in case of emergencies
323 [01:18:40] <MeepDude> On the internet I have found multiple answers and thank you
324 [01:18:47] <missmbob> MeepDude: don't choose any partition. you want /dev/sda not /sev/sda1
325 [01:18:47] <MeepDude> I want this bad
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327 [01:18:54] <MeepDude> OK
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329 [01:19:23] <x86iac> how bad? what will you do for it?
330 [01:19:38] <_unreal_> x86iac, every man has his price
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332 [01:20:14] <_unreal_> ok sshd says "sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path"
333 [01:20:25] <_unreal_> not sure what it means
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335 [01:20:34] <TomTomTosch> what are you even doing?
336 [01:20:37] <mnuhmnuh> _unreal_: well, some have principles, ethics, morality, and all that junk. we're unpredictable.
337 [01:20:41] <x86iac> _unreal_: are you starting by hand?
338 [01:20:45] <MeepDude> Lol
339 [01:21:09] <_unreal_> I have never messed with SSHD its always been on by default
340 [01:21:17] <MeepDude> I have been trying to get this working all day and I just want it to be over
341 [01:21:28] <_unreal_> I installed debian based kali on this cubox ocmputer of mine and I'm tring to SSH into it
342 [01:21:34] <mnuhmnuh> _unreal_: (as root) service ssh restart (maybe sshd?).
343 [01:21:40] <missmbob> !kali
344 [01:21:40] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
345 [01:21:52] <x86iac> _unreal_: do which sshd and check the startup script for that path - something must have done something
346 [01:21:54] <missmbob> _unreal_: you're in the wrong place. we dont support kali. go to #kali
347 [01:22:18] <TomTomTosch> -linux
348 [01:23:30] <mnuhmnuh> _unreal_: that shouldn't clip open connections you have, fwiw.
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352 [01:23:56] <MeepDude> Cookies perhaps
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354 [01:24:28] <_unreal_> ?
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356 [01:24:42] <MeepDude> I could make him cookies
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360 [01:26:24] <mnuhmnuh> MeepDude: # brownies?
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363 [01:28:14] <x86iac> a batch of cookies?
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365 [01:28:59] <mnuhmnuh> a botch of cookies?
366 [01:30:09] <pfred1> cookies!
367 [01:30:30] <pfred1> /nick CookieMonster
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369 [01:30:53] <_unreal_> figured it out
370 [01:31:00] <_unreal_> you guys where not even close
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373 [01:31:25] <pfred1> _unreal_ close to what?
374 [01:31:34] <TomTomTosch> mostly because you didn't give any info.
375 [01:31:45] <TomTomTosch> but seriously, we don't support kali here.
376 [01:31:46] <pfred1> yeah this is the first i am hearing about any of thos
377 [01:31:47] <_unreal_> I needed to "systemctl enable ssh.socket" and then "system ssh restart"
378 [01:31:50] <pfred1> this even
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380 [01:31:51] <_unreal_> and ssh server is now up
381 [01:32:07] <pfred1> ssh works here
382 [01:32:17] <_unreal_> ssh marko
383 [01:32:21] <pfred1> polo!
384 [01:32:26] <_unreal_> sweet
385 [01:32:50] <pfred1> _unreal_ you do nfs?
386 [01:33:25] <_unreal_> ahhhh?
387 [01:33:25] <mnuhmnuh> _unreal_: never seen nor heard of "systemctl enable ssh.socket". i did mention the other.
388 [01:33:47] <pfred1> _unreal_ network file system
389 [01:33:49] <_unreal_> there where no available sockests
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391 [01:33:54] <pfred1> like your own cloud, dude
392 [01:34:17] <_unreal_> there for the base of the prople was to figure out why
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394 [01:34:30] <_unreal_> pfred1, what do you need to know about NFS servers?
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397 [01:34:43] <pfred1> _unreal_ if you use one
398 [01:34:47] <_unreal_> yes
399 [01:34:49] <_unreal_> I do
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401 [01:35:02] <pfred1> _unreal_ that's great! I find it much more handy than ssh
402 [01:35:07] <_unreal_> dlink dsm-g600 with custom rom
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405 [01:35:36] <_unreal_> ahhh? data sever verse control tunnel? its kind of apples and oranges
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408 [01:35:51] <pfred1> yeah I don't like apples either
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411 [01:36:22] <MeepDude> Gasp
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413 [01:36:45] <mumixam> if i have 1 ethernet card setup with 2 alias' with wan routeable ip addresses set both in the same subnet, what deterimes which ip is used for outbound traffic?
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421 [01:38:35] <MeepDude> It is nearly done then we troubleshoot
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428 [01:41:10] <MeepDude> Grub is installing now
429 [01:41:35] <MeepDude> I just installed it to dev/sda
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436 [01:42:28] <MeepDude> Done
437 [01:43:09] <MeepDude> Yup still automatically boots into einfoy
438 [01:43:16] <MeepDude> Have no clue what is wrong
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440 [01:43:59] <MeepDude> Any idea?
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451 [01:49:00] <x86iac> is there a bios option that prevents writing mbr?
452 [01:49:13] <MeepDude> Okay so what do I do here? I have tried everything
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454 [01:49:19] <x86iac> it acts like there is no grub installed?
455 [01:49:31] <MeepDude> Nope
456 [01:49:37] <MeepDude> Just goes straight into windows
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458 [01:49:56] <x86iac> windows has a self preservation mode
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465 [01:51:15] <MeepDude> x86iac: explain
466 [01:51:31] <x86iac> it don't want you installing linux ... ;)
467 [01:51:49] <MeepDude> WHY!!!
468 [01:52:04] <mnuhmnuh> MeepDude: never has.
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471 [01:52:15] <MeepDude> HOW DO I GET AROUND IT!
472 [01:52:19] <x86iac> do you notice any communication with skynet?
473 [01:52:28] <MeepDude> Nope
474 [01:52:31] <pissfrog> maybe secureboot is in the way
475 [01:52:34] <pneumatik> i have a server running debian, i set it up as a xen dom0 with libvirt so i can connect to it with virt-manager, whenever i create a VM I get the error "libxenlight failed to create new domain" and here are the xl logs: replaced-url
476 [01:52:40] <x86iac> MeepDude: i'd get in there from livecd and try manually
477 [01:52:49] <mnuhmnuh> x86iac: win10 == skynet.
478 [01:52:59] <MeepDude> Try what manually though
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480 [01:53:00] <pneumatik> i've asked this question on like 1 billion different channels now and i haven't been able to find an answer, i've been at this all day.
481 [01:53:17] <x86iac> live cd .. chroot .. grub install
482 [01:53:19] <MeepDude> How do I get windows to recognize grub
483 [01:53:35] <pissfrog> MeepDude, did you check you BIOS to make sure secure boot is not enabled?
484 [01:53:49] <pissfrog> secure boot will prevent linux from booting
485 [01:53:55] <pissfrog> depending on distro
486 [01:54:06] <x86iac> MeepDude: it isn't windows that recognizes it - it is the bios
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488 [01:54:09] <MeepDude> Windows 7 doesn't have it
489 [01:54:34] <MeepDude> Does it?
490 [01:54:45] <x86iac> MeepDude: he and i have said BIOS
491 [01:54:53] <pissfrog> MeepDude, if you've installed linux on the same hdd as windows, on a secondary parition and grub isn't showing up, then it's not Windows at fault
492 [01:55:03] <pissfrog> it's the fucking BIOS
493 [01:55:15] <pissfrog> jesus fucking christ
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495 [01:55:18] <MeepDude> Ugh fucking bios okay so I will look into the bios
496 [01:55:30] <pissfrog> look and see if "Secure Boot" is on
497 [01:56:20] <pissfrog> word of advice, do not dual boot off the same hard drive
498 [01:56:24] <pissfrog> it's a terrible idea
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500 [01:56:36] <pissfrog> run either one of these OSes at once
501 [01:56:47] <x86iac> why not just do a vm?
502 [01:56:59] <mnuhmnuh> pissfrog: feature. security from win malware. woohoo.
503 [01:57:00] <pissfrog> that's a more sensible idea
504 [01:57:28] <pissfrog> i'm running Debian on hyper-v and it's blazing fast
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508 [01:58:12] <AndroUser> So secure boot is disabled
509 [01:58:20] <pissfrog> ok, that's a good sign
510 [01:58:37] <pissfrog> now we can proceed to the next step
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512 [01:58:48] <x86iac> pneumatik: try replaced-url
513 [01:59:00] <AndroUser> Sweet Jesus I hate this as much as you
514 [01:59:11] <pissfrog> boot from the live CD or USB and at the prompt, boot off internet hard drive
515 [01:59:21] <pissfrog> if it boots, it means the OS has installed properly
516 [01:59:44] <pissfrog> the next step would be for you to reinstall grub like somebody said earlier, using chroot
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518 [02:00:19] <AndroUser> Which prompt? Yes stupid and obvious question but I want to be sure
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520 [02:00:46] <AndroUser> Does it matter that legacy takes priority
521 [02:00:57] <pissfrog> shouldn't
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524 [02:01:12] <AndroUser> OK
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526 [02:01:25] <AndroUser> Let me create a live usb
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528 [02:01:47] <pneumatik> i was using duckduckgo :|
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531 [02:02:36] <AndroUser> Why must the world be like this
532 [02:03:03] <missmbob> i really wish we didn't have a live iso
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535 [02:04:40] <AndroUser> OK one more question "boot off internet hard drive" do you mean internal?
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537 [02:05:36] <pneumatik> x86iac: i tried it, i'm rebooting
538 [02:05:43] <x86iac> who told AndroUser about the internet hard drive ... that is suppose to be a secret
539 [02:06:46] <x86iac> AndroUser: with sshfs you can mount the internet hard drive right on a mount point
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541 [02:08:06] <AndroUser> I have no idea what you just said except for mount
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543 [02:09:33] <pissfrog> internal
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548 [02:10:54] <x-yuri> hi, could you possibly tell me how is /var/cache/debconf/config.dat populated? let's consider I just installed the os, where are all those name/value keypairs coming from?
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554 [02:11:31] <AndroUser> Thank you for your help by the way
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556 [02:12:05] <pissfrog> AndroUser, replaced-url
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558 [02:12:31] <pissfrog> the advanced options should allow you to boot off another hdd
559 [02:12:35] <pissfrog> i hope
560 [02:12:51] <pissfrog> i'm sort of newb to Debian as well
561 [02:12:56] <pissfrog> i'm more of a Red Hat guy
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563 [02:13:12] <AndroUser> Ahh no wonder
564 [02:13:24] <pneumatik> x86iac: the solution suggested in that link didn't help
565 [02:13:28] <pneumatik> i'm still getting the error
566 [02:13:33] <x86iac> AndroUser: you should be really checking your fdisk -l before continuing with this
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568 [02:13:55] <AndroUser> I am not used to Debian myself prefer arch
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571 [02:14:11] <pissfrog> i have yet to run into problems installing either OS
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573 [02:14:30] <pissfrog> i'm still baffled as how it doesn't work for others
574 [02:14:32] <x86iac> pneumatik: googlilizing your error produced lots of things .. that was just the first ;)
575 [02:14:44] <pneumatik> i've checked all those things
576 [02:14:49] <pissfrog> AndroUser, i''
577 [02:14:55] <pissfrog> ve never tried Arch
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580 [02:15:00] <AndroUser> I will
581 [02:15:07] <pissfrog> but i did have to migrate from Gentoo cause it's a piece of crap
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583 [02:15:20] <AndroUser> Gentoo takes to much effort
584 [02:15:26] <x86iac> i've never had a problem with installing any linux AFTER installing windows first
585 [02:15:39] <AndroUser> I don't have that much horse power to do all that compiling
586 [02:15:42] <pissfrog> yeah, no it's pretty straightforward
587 [02:15:43] <x86iac> to get it to dual boot
588 [02:15:55] <pissfrog> i'm gonna go home now
589 [02:15:59] <AndroUser> Mine came installed with windows 7
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591 [02:16:10] <AndroUser> Where are you how?
592 [02:16:13] <x86iac> frogtown raises a cheer
593 [02:16:20] <pissfrog> work
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595 [02:16:55] <mnuhmnuh> x86iac: i've never had any trouble fixing win clobbering after install, but noobs don't know how.
596 [02:17:12] <afernandez_> In your experiences what is a good storage hard drive?
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598 [02:17:34] <x86iac> afernandez_: any drive bigger then 800MB ?
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601 [02:18:26] <AndroUser> Ahh windows isn't the same beast as when I dealt with it in high school it git worse
602 [02:19:25] <x86iac> afernandez_: if you don't have to much to store - i can sell you my old 16 drive floppy cluster
603 [02:19:49] <pissfrog> a 240gb ssd should suffice
604 [02:19:52] <AndroUser> Any drive bigger than 256GB
605 [02:20:39] <x86iac> just stay away from the drives the equation group has powned
606 [02:20:41] <AndroUser> I am in advanced options clicked hardware detection
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608 [02:21:05] <AndroUser> And got failed to load libmenu.c32
609 [02:21:11] <afernandez_> ha ha ha !!!!
610 [02:21:30] <AndroUser> Failed to load COM32 file Hdt.c32
611 [02:21:39] <x86iac> three ha's? but 4 ! ? ;)
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613 [02:21:55] <AndroUser> Fucking hell
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616 [02:22:34] <x86iac> AndroUser: can you make a youtube ... i'd love to watch your descent into this
617 [02:23:22] <x86iac> AndroUser: you have a spare drive lying around ? do a straignt debian install on the same comptuer
618 [02:23:42] <AndroUser> Into complete and utter madness because of this already happened a long time ago
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621 [02:24:06] <AndroUser> I am tempted to install it to a external but that still wouldn't let me boot it
622 [02:24:11] <AndroUser> I tried that too
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624 [02:24:24] <x86iac> and?
625 [02:24:33] <AndroUser> Didn't work
626 [02:24:49] <AndroUser> OK I am in the live environment bow
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628 [02:25:08] <AndroUser> What do I do to check Grub or the system as a whole
629 [02:25:24] <x86iac> pastebin fdisk -l
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635 [02:28:45] <AndroUser> OK
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641 [02:30:04] <MeepDude> replaced-url
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643 [02:30:16] <MeepDude> I am so mad at this point and tired
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646 [02:31:14] <aypea[2]> meep: can't get it to boot or something?
647 [02:31:22] <MeepDude> Yup
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649 [02:31:33] <aypea[2]> meep: using EFI?
650 [02:31:38] <MeepDude> yup
651 [02:31:48] <MeepDude> Fucking hell
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653 [02:32:03] <MeepDude> Damnit windows and closed source all to hell
654 [02:32:03] <aypea[2]> meep: is it booting into windows only or nothing?
655 [02:32:13] <MeepDude> windows only
656 [02:32:24] <aypea[2]> meep: did you turn secure boot (or whatever it's called) off?
657 [02:32:30] <MeepDude> Yes
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659 [02:32:34] <aypea[2]> :/
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661 [02:32:44] <MeepDude> Yup fuck my life and bill gates
662 [02:32:56] <MeepDude> Greedy prick sold us all out
663 [02:33:18] <x86iac> MeepDude: have you been trolling us?
664 [02:33:26] <bazhang> MeepDude, whats a good chat channel
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666 [02:33:44] <MeepDude> No not at all I am completely serious
667 [02:33:52] <x86iac> #MeepDude-naked
668 [02:33:54] <MeepDude> I have no clue of a good chat channel
669 [02:34:01] <x86iac> ^^ bazhang
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671 [02:34:06] <MeepDude> okay goin there now lol
672 [02:34:14] <aypea[2]> meep: you're definitely using grub-efi-* ?
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674 [02:34:35] <MeepDude> aypea[2] can come too lol
675 [02:34:51] <Hydroxide> bazhang: #debian-offtopic exists if you want to chat about other things besides Debian user support.
676 [02:35:08] <aypea[2]> meep: it's ok. I've no need to have a rant :)
677 [02:35:14] <MeepDude> Okay I created the channel
678 [02:35:15] <bazhang> thanks Hydroxide
679 [02:35:17] <Hydroxide> MeepDude: heh, feel free to stay here and get help overcoming your installation handles
680 [02:35:22] <Hydroxide> *hassles not handles. weird typo
681 [02:35:30] <Hydroxide> or hurdles. maybe that's how I got to that
682 [02:35:34] <MeepDude> I just want this nightmare to be over
683 [02:35:41] <MeepDude> arch was easier than this
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685 [02:35:53] <x86iac> Hydroxide: he had used a few different handles
686 [02:35:54] <qih> Is there a way to show the file structure once installed of a Debian package?
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688 [02:36:05] <MeepDude> Sorry
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690 [02:36:19] <MeepDude> I was chatting from my phone as well while I attempted install
691 [02:36:20] <x86iac> qih: you mean what the file is? file file
692 [02:36:22] <aypea[2]> meep: just seems odd. I've installed debian on a secure boot, efi system (lenovo laptop) and it was simple. either something's missing from your install or your device is nutbar.
693 [02:36:31] <x86iac> MeepDude: np i was just joking with him
694 [02:36:40] <MeepDude> Okay so what do we do
695 [02:36:48] <Hydroxide> x86iac: ok. doesn't bother me as long as the reason is something like what he just said, instead of e.g. circumventing bans with sockpuppets.
696 [02:36:48] <MeepDude> I am not sleeping till I dual boot
697 [02:36:50] <aypea[2]> meep: can you boot back into your install disk/stick/wotnot to check out your linux install?
698 [02:36:53] <qih> I mean where all of it's bits are ... /usr/lib/blah, /usr/bin/blah etc
699 [02:37:00] <missmbob> qih: dpkg -L pkgname
700 [02:37:03] <aypea[2]> meep: or are you booted into it manually already?
701 [02:37:10] <qih> missmbob: Thanks.
702 [02:37:12] <MeepDude> I am in the live usb
703 [02:37:22] <aypea[2]> meep: what grub package is in the install?
704 [02:37:26] <missmbob> MeepDude: we already told you live doesnt work with uefi
705 [02:37:40] <x86iac> MeepDude: you said you actually had problem doing a straight debian onto a drive on the same computer ? didn't you?
706 [02:37:44] <qih> missmbob: Oh pretty, thanks again.
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710 [02:37:59] <MeepDude> yes but pissfrog said I could use it to check grub
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713 [02:38:15] <MeepDude> I did the actual straight install with the netiso
714 [02:38:21] <MeepDude> I am using the live to check
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717 [02:38:31] <MeepDude> So that all being said what do I do
718 [02:38:42] <MeepDude> replaced-url
719 [02:39:01] <MeepDude> Bringing everyone up to speed
720 [02:39:06] <MeepDude> I am on a t560
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722 [02:39:34] <missmbob> MeepDude: did you ever check to make sure secure boot is disabled?
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724 [02:39:43] <MeepDude> I did and it was disabled
725 [02:39:44] <aypea[2]> meep: so it's a lenovo too?
726 [02:39:59] <MeepDude> Legacy takes priority over uefi and yes it is
727 [02:40:09] <aypea[2]> meep: should be simple, then. /should/. I've installed twice on lenovo.
728 [02:40:23] <MeepDude> Which is why I am so damn frustrated it is a fucking easy that is why I got lenovo!!!
729 [02:40:23] <aypea[2]> meep: so what grub package did you install?
730 [02:40:36] <MeepDude> The one that came with the netinstall
731 [02:40:43] <MeepDude> I have no idea what that one is
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733 [02:40:59] <MeepDude> I feel the strong urge to rage hard
734 [02:41:06] <MeepDude> against the machine...
735 [02:41:06] <aypea[2]> meep: yeah but it may have picked the wrong one. mount your sda6, chroot into it and run dpkg -l | grep grub
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737 [02:41:36] <MeepDude> aypea[2] how do I do that?
738 [02:41:54] <MeepDude> Never done that before but I can build you a linux install from scratch =D
739 [02:42:02] <aypea[2]> meep: in a shell mouint /dev/sda6 /mnt (at a guess) then chroot /mnt
740 [02:42:02] <MeepDude> *arch linux
741 [02:42:07] <aypea[2]> meep: then dpkg -l | grep grub
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743 [02:43:12] <aypea[2]> meep: the fact that you've a 1M bios boot partition is somewhat suspect here.
744 [02:43:24] <aypea[2]> meep: I think it's pretending not to be EFI
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746 [02:44:34] <mnuhmnuh> MeepDude: "I am not sleeping till I dual boot" -- that's the spirit! bang your head on it til it falls over. install often. you learn something new every time. I started in '93.
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749 [02:44:58] <MeepDude> replaced-url
750 [02:45:13] <MeepDude> That is how I finally pulled off arch and I fell in love
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754 [02:46:57] <mnuhmnuh> MeepDude: grub-common, grub-pc, grub-pc-bin, grub2-common. amd64.
755 [02:47:28] <aypea[2]> meep: bingo. you've an efi system with a legacy grub
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757 [02:48:01] <aypea[2]> meep: boot into the installer with the bios set up for EFI boot and try again would be the simplest option.
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760 [02:48:32] <aypea[2]> meep: don't activate legacy stuff in the bios at all. it's likely to be confusing things. just ensure secure boot is off (from memory)
761 [02:48:48] <MeepDude> so just go into my actually bios setting and set up for uefi then reboot
762 [02:48:54] <MeepDude> ???
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764 [02:49:00] <MeepDude> that was the default setting
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767 [02:49:50] <aypea[2]> meep: set it up for uefi and try installing again, probably clearing out the partitions already made. you can probably fix this without a 2nd install attempt but it's likely to be more annoying.
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770 [02:50:40] <anonrate> Does anyone know how I would go about being able to use both my screens with a different tty on them?
771 [02:51:02] <aypea[2]> meep: and by "partitions already made" I mean the linux ones. :)
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774 [02:51:25] <MeepDude> okay so I am going to change the settings and be right back
775 [02:51:29] <anonrate> I have xorg installed, I have xinit install along with xrandr and xmonad, but I have no idea if what I'm trying to accomplish is ever possible.
776 [02:51:35] <aypea[2]> meep: good luck :)
777 [02:51:38] <x86iac> tty are attached to specific /dev/tty*
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779 [02:52:03] <x86iac> anonrate: ^^^ what do you want to do
780 [02:52:44] <anonrate> I want to be able to have tty1 open on one screen, tty2 open another that way I can look back and forth, but if I want to use the other one, I would obvisouly have to switch to it via Alt Fkey
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782 [02:53:32] <anonrate> An example would be say I have vim open on one, and weechat on the other because I need to follow insturctions that someone is giving me on weechat.
783 [02:53:37] <x86iac> you could do something with < and > /dev/tty2 ??
784 [02:53:55] <anonrate> I have no idea what you just said.
785 [02:54:02] <anonrate> I'm kind of new to Linux.
786 [02:54:19] <x86iac> anonrate: why do you want to do this anyway? < and > are redirects from /dev/tty2 to an xterm
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788 [02:54:47] <x86iac> cat asdfasdfsdf > /dev/tty2 and then look in tty2 (alt f2)
789 [02:54:48] <anonrate> Because I want to be able to use both of my screens and have different things on each of them.
790 [02:55:00] <x86iac> tty7 is usually the xorg
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792 [02:55:14] <Meep> Switched to uefi first and I got a startup repair error will be reinstalling from scratch
793 [02:55:25] <x86iac> yea but why the different ttys? you can open mutilple xterms
794 [02:55:26] <Meep> Any other ideas
795 [02:55:46] <anonrate> That will work as well, but I don't have a WM, I just want to work from a command line.
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798 [02:56:20] <mnuhmnuh> anonrate: at a terminal, what do ALT-F1 - F8 do?
799 [02:56:30] <anonrate> They goto a different one, I already know that.
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801 [02:56:55] <x86iac> they go to the different /dev/tty
802 [02:57:01] <mnuhmnuh> anonrate: so, login to each, run stuff, ...
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804 [02:57:13] <anonrate> I want to be able to have weechat so how I'm talking to you right now open on the other screen, be able to see what everyone is saying, and on my other screen, I can work on.
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810 [02:57:49] <x86iac> use xorg and save your self a hassle
811 [02:57:51] <anonrate> I have two monitors... I want to have open multiple terminals, one on my first monitor, and one on the second one.
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813 [02:58:07] <x86iac> you can't run xrandr etc on tty
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815 [02:58:26] <mnuhmnuh> anonrate: i've two desktops in X where I do the same. ALT-Fn does it from console without X.
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817 [02:58:41] <aypea[2]> meep: what do you mean? does it still let you boot into windows?
818 [02:58:47] <anonrate> What?
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820 [02:59:11] <anonrate> I am on one desktop. I have 2 screens. Right now they are just showing me the samething.
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822 [02:59:37] <anonrate> I want one terminal on one, and another terminal on the other.
823 [03:00:21] <anonrate> Does it make sense on what I'm trying to do here?
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829 [03:03:03] <[Saint]> anyone happen to be intimately familiar with screen and .screenrc?
830 [03:03:45] <[Saint]> I'm trying to figure out how to disable the status line in screen if a hardstatus is supplied in .screenrc
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836 [03:07:55] <x86iac> intimate? how about friendly
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864 [03:28:56] <climjark> hello all!
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880 [03:38:34] <[Saint]> x86iac: well, if you can address the question posed - either is fine.
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885 [03:40:47] <x86iac> here is everything i got my screen commands /usr/local/bin/screen -q &> /dev/null /usr/local/bin/screen -x -q &> /dev/null
886 [03:41:14] <x86iac> there is also tmux
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902 [03:47:55] <jbobbiz> if u have debian in raid1 can you remove one of the drives without loosing data?
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908 [03:50:13] <x86iac> don't you have to edit /etc/fstab too? or something
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910 [03:50:18] <mnuhmnuh> jbobbiz: read up on raid1 defn. i built a raidN out of four 4GB usbkeys plugged into usb hub. worked great.
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918 [03:52:03] <x86iac> mnuhmnuh: he is talking aobut dismantling ...
919 [03:52:25] <mnuhmnuh> jbobbiz: slow write but, blisteringly fast read. :-)
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921 [03:53:11] <mnuhmnuh> x86iac: thought he had a bad drive and needed to replace it.
922 [03:53:22] <jbobbiz> yes i want to dismantle the raid
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924 [03:54:03] <TomTomTosch> usually you would mark one drive as failed with mdadm then use the --remove option and then be able to remove it without an issue.
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927 [03:55:58] <x86iac> TomTomTosch: does that also do something with /etc/fstab? or is a change in fstab not needed here?
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929 [03:56:49] <TomTomTosch> fstab does not list single drives from the raid.
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931 [03:58:05] <TomTomTosch> it points to the mapper. you use mdadm to manage the raid configuration.
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945 [04:10:17] <edju> Running Jessie. I had problems printing. Uninstalled the hplip I had and installed 3.16.5 from Jessie Backports. hp-check showed a bunch of missing dependencies which I installed. Now, I try to run hp-toolbox and get "error: No module named 'PyQt5' " Searched, and found and installed python-pyqt5. But, still a nogo - same error. Any advice, pointers, etc. appreciated.
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947 [04:10:40] <jbobbiz> thank you TomTomTosch
948 [04:10:42] <jbobbiz> ;p
949 [04:11:03] <jbobbiz> so after removal via mdadm you can fdisk the dev to configure the new layout etc?
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958 [04:21:26] <TomTomTosch> i would advise doing a full backup before doing substential changes to your raid setup.
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999 [04:48:30] <Lionyx> Hello guys!
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1006 [04:48:55] <Lionyx> I have a Galaxy Note 2 here, I was wondering if there's any free distro I could use in it.
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1063 [04:56:27] <[Saint]> ...errr. wow.
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1079 [04:57:04] <[Saint]> i kinda figured it would be a longshot but it always impresses me how having no clue on the subject matter never stops anyone from answering a question.
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1088 [04:58:24] <stoned> [Saint], huh?
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1091 [04:58:36] <stoned> [Saint], what are you on about?
1092 [04:59:39] <dvs> stoned, getting rid of the status line in screen.
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1113 [05:01:17] <mnuhmnuh> Lionyx: cyanogenmod, et al?
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1122 [05:01:57] <stoned> Lionyx, #android
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1125 [05:02:16] <beastwick> Hi, I am wondering if this is possible. I have a Linux VM that I would like to migrate to a native drive that has Windows installed on it. I created a native disk in Virtual Box and planned to create a partitioning scheme, migrate over my data, and then reinstall Grub. However, the disk is a GPT UEFI disk and my PC is capable of booting both UEFI a
1126 [05:02:16] <beastwick> nd legacy. Can I reinstall Grub in the VM for MBR by creating a legacy bios partition? I don't want to use EFI with the Linux OS.
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1128 [05:02:21] <beastwick> I am trying this with debian
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1135 [05:04:02] <Lionyx> stoned: exactly what I meant. NO android.
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1137 [05:04:34] <Lionyx> mnuhmnuh: i'll take a look
1138 [05:04:36] <stoned> Lionyx, not debian. Ubuntu phone, maybe.
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1140 [05:04:52] <stoned> Debian doesn't run on phones. There is however an ubuntu version for the phones.
1141 [05:04:52] <ld> hi
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1143 [05:05:03] <ld> what is the proper way to add a menu entry to grub
1144 [05:05:10] <stoned> AFAIK, anyway. I could be ignorant.
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1156 [05:06:22] <mnuhmnuh> beastwick: you're going TO Windows? you're goin' the wrong way.
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1159 [05:06:40] <beastwick> mnuhmnuh not exactly I am on a Windows machine right now.
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1162 [05:06:50] <beastwick> I was planning on migrating my linux vm to native disk for dual boot
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1164 [05:06:57] <beastwick> disk is gpt uefi
1165 [05:07:17] <beastwick> doing my method is hard because vbox efi is buggy
1166 [05:07:33] <beastwick> maybe I should just install a base system and copy over my data
1167 [05:07:51] <mnuhmnuh> beastwick: uefi == fix BIOS, yes?
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1169 [05:08:00] <beastwick> what?
1170 [05:08:30] <beastwick> i think I was just trying to be fancy, doing this with virtualbox
1171 [05:08:41] <Lionyx> beastwick: I guess you should install it fresh and then move your data. I don't think copying is a good idea due to hardware compatibility you know... but I'm only a visitor here :)
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1173 [05:09:04] <beastwick> lionyx not worried about hardware compat tbh
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1176 [05:09:15] <beastwick> lionyx but yes it is a rather poor idea
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1179 [05:09:47] <beastwick> lionyx I was trying to come up with a feasible way to restore a system anywhere, I don't want to have to reinstall and reconfigure all my software
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1184 [05:10:58] <Lionyx> beastwick: deploying it inside a vm env would be a good idea. Do you know VMWare Exsi?
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1187 [05:11:38] <beastwick> Lionyx it's already in a virtualbox, yes I know vmware
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1191 [05:12:51] <beastwick> so, you know what, what's the best practice for system migrations? or is that not something really worth thinking about?
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1194 [05:13:35] <beastwick> I guess I would always have backups for my current setup. Moving to a new configuration should warrant resetting up everything.
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1196 [05:14:00] <missmbob> beastwick: attach clonezilla to virtualbox and create a clone of the vm with it. then restore the clone onto the physical drive with clonezilla again. done.
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1202 [05:14:53] <stoned> VM hw config is going to be different than the real physical machine
1203 [05:15:06] <missmbob> who cares. it's linux kernel. you'll manage
1204 [05:15:10] <stoned> Cloning this way may not be the best idea.
1205 [05:15:53] <stoned> I would probably look into dpkg cloning
1206 [05:15:54] <missmbob> it's the only way you'll make a vm "real"
1207 [05:16:02] <stoned> And backup your configs, and restore them
1208 [05:16:15] <beastwick> what is dpkg cloning?
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1211 [05:16:34] <stoned> generate a list of packets and restore them
1212 [05:16:36] <stoned> packages*
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1214 [05:17:29] <beastwick> maybe i can use gdebi on my archived packages?
1215 [05:17:41] <stoned> !debian clone
1216 [05:17:41] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
1217 [05:17:44] <missmbob> beastwick: no
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1220 [05:18:09] <stoned> Something like that maybe
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1223 [05:18:41] <beastwick> i'm guessing the dpkg method above would require I have the right repositories up
1224 [05:18:44] <stoned> And also of course, save your configs and restore them
1225 [05:18:54] <missmbob> beastwick: yes
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1227 [05:18:57] <stoned> Indeed
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1230 [05:19:17] <beastwick> is it hard to create a local repository?
1231 [05:19:23] <stoned> No.
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1233 [05:21:04] <stoned> !apt-clone
1234 [05:21:04] <dpkg> apt-clone is probably a utility to clone/restore the packages on an apt-based system. It will save/restore the packages, sources.list, keyring and automatic-installed states. It can also save/restore no longer downloadable packages using <dpkg-repack>.
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1237 [05:22:53] <beastwick> apt-clone look promising
1238 [05:22:57] <beastwick> looks*
1239 [05:23:09] <beastwick> that's perfect actually
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1242 [05:23:59] <beastwick> I'll respect that changing platforms isn't as simple as just migrating everything over due to hardware inconsistencies. I guess if it was an identical system it be fine, but what I'm doing isn't realistic.
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1247 [05:24:45] <stoned> you're looking for permanence and consistency.
1248 [05:24:54] <stoned> They do not exist.
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1250 [05:25:37] <stoned> Consistency and permanence are the hobgoblin of small and even smaller minds. Life is about change. Enjoy the workload of constant change.
1251 [05:25:58] <stoned> I stopped backups. I have nothing dear that needs to be backed up or anything.
1252 [05:26:13] <stoned> It's a philosophical point of discussion but it makes sense.
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1254 [05:26:35] <stoned> All of your turmoil right now exists because you seek permanence and consistency.
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1259 [05:29:00] <beastwick> lol thanks
1260 [05:29:12] <beastwick> there is some truth to that
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1263 [05:34:00] <INNIS> replaced-url
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1265 [05:34:05] <INNIS> "The Criminal Conspiracy to Genocide Whites"
1266 [05:34:30] <stoned> ...
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1272 [05:35:43] <stoned> INNIS, what a crock of shit.
1273 [05:35:52] <INNIS> stoned, Did you watch it?
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1275 [05:36:06] <stoned> I skimmed it. It's nonsense.
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1277 [05:36:17] <INNIS> stoned, You skimmed a 3-minute cartoon video?
1278 [05:36:19] <INNIS> LOL!
1279 [05:37:19] <INNIS> It quotes genocidal Jews using their own words. You can't call it bullshit when it's a cartoon that replays real life.
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1281 [05:37:23] <stoned> replaced-url
1282 [05:37:39] <stoned> I don't want to sound mean, but you sound like you've been brainwashe by other people's ideas.
1283 [05:37:47] <INNIS> Jews are conspiring against White European peoples and civilization.
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1285 [05:37:58] <stoned> Read the blog article.
1286 [05:38:07] <INNIS> Anyway, this is #debian.
1287 [05:38:11] <INNIS> Take it to the offtopic channel.
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1289 [05:38:20] <stoned> Then WTF did you paste that crap in here for.
1290 [05:38:27] <stoned> What a mental case.
1291 [05:38:45] <INNIS> stoned, Put a sock in it already.
1292 [05:39:16] <beastwick> INNIS that doesn't belong here
1293 [05:39:32] <INNIS> beastwick, Did you watch it? It's just a 3-minute cartoon.
1294 [05:39:42] <stoned> The guy pastes some offtopic nonsense in here, then tells others to take it to offtopic channel.
1295 [05:39:53] <stoned> Mental case? Transparently obvious.
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1304 [05:44:15] <INNIS> stoned, I'll give you one more follow up on that topic before I insist you take the conversation over to the OFFTOPIC channel.
1305 [05:44:18] <INNIS> stoned, replaced-url
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1307 [05:45:05] <beastwick> INNIS I find what you are posting extremely offensive.
1308 [05:45:23] <beastwick> INNIS please take your off topic nonsense elsewhere.
1309 [05:45:25] <INNIS> beastwick, Take it to the OFFTOPIC channel.
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1314 [05:48:19] <stoned> Please stop linking racist crap in here.
1315 [05:48:56] <INNIS> stoned, Like I already told you, if you want to discuss anything I've posted, take it to OFFTOPIC.
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1317 [05:49:31] <stoned> I don't want to discuss anything. I just don't want to see racist crap pasted in here. I don't want to have to ring the ops. Stop.
1318 [05:49:47] <INNIS> Get in OFFTOPIC and I'll be happy to address your concerns.
1319 [05:49:52] <INNIS> This is not the channel for that.
1320 [05:50:21] <stoned> !ops INNIS trolling
1321 [05:50:21] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: stoned complains about: INNIS trolling
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1324 [05:50:51] <INNIS> !ops stoned trolling
1325 [05:50:51] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: innis complains about: stoned trolling
1326 [05:50:58] <INNIS> Big deal. I can do that too.
1327 [05:51:13] <stoned> beastwick, what do you use windows for?
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1330 [05:51:55] <beastwick> stoned gaming :D
1331 [05:52:07] <pepee> does anyone have experience with qemu + architectures other than x86? I want to install debian stretch (in a VM) by using this disk: replaced-url
1332 [05:52:07] <stoned> beastwick, oh. Duh, stoned! :D
1333 [05:52:17] <beastwick> stoned and I am a developer, so I like to have access to all tools. Visual Studio isn't bad.
1334 [05:52:32] <beastwick> stoned but, I could use a VM for that, so it's the games...
1335 [05:52:33] <Gryllida> INNIS: it may be best to join #debian-ops instead of paying attention to it here
1336 [05:52:36] <stoned> Oh, VS is by far the BEST IDE ever created by mankind.
1337 [05:52:54] <pepee> > offtopic: #debian-offtopic
1338 [05:53:04] <pepee> /topic , people
1339 [05:53:05] <Gryllida> pepee: :)
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1341 [05:53:21] <beastwick> stoned I like it, I used to have a dual boot setup, but I got really tired of maintaining two systems.
1342 [05:53:30] <Gryllida> beastwick: a VM with debian as a host sounds like a good idea
1343 [05:53:41] <ld> hello all, i broke my machine's boot record
1344 [05:53:49] <ld> i have a debian livecd
1345 [05:53:53] <ld> is there any way to fix it from there
1346 [05:53:54] <stoned> Well, which do you use primarily?
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1348 [05:53:58] <stoned> How often do you game?
1349 [05:53:59] <Gryllida> beastwick: there's a bunch of games which work on Debian too and give you more control over what they're doing with your data :)
1350 [05:54:09] <Gryllida> ld: what are the symptoms?
1351 [05:54:16] <ld> when i turn the computer on it says MBR 12:
1352 [05:54:17] <stoned> I offloaded my gaming to hacked consoles
1353 [05:54:22] <pepee> ld, how did you break it?
1354 [05:54:22] <stoned> :)
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1356 [05:54:42] <stoned> Now I just use windows for some emulator stuff linux can't do well
1357 [05:54:43] <pepee> ld, use testdisk or simply try reinstalling grub?
1358 [05:54:56] <ld> i added partitions containing another os, then ran grub update
1359 [05:55:06] <pepee> did you pay for your copy of windows, stoned ?
1360 [05:55:13] <stoned> No
1361 [05:55:24] <stoned> I got an enterprise copy of 7 from university
1362 [05:55:28] <ld> adding the partitions didn't create the problem, i rebooted after the partitions were added and grub still worked.
1363 [05:55:33] <stoned> Then a free upgrade to 10
1364 [05:55:36] <pepee> nice
1365 [05:55:42] <stoned> I didn't pirate windows
1366 [05:55:57] <stoned> I pirate linux!
1367 [05:55:59] <stoned> :)
1368 [05:56:05] <stoned> Argh, matey!
1369 [05:56:08] <beastwick> stoned Sadly, I want to play Fallout 4 and Wine isn't feasible for me, nor is GPU passthrough for a variety of reasons. I got that working a while back too, but when you spend the $ on hardware you don't want anything but native performance :D
1370 [05:56:14] <pepee> ld, you installed windows after installing debian, right?
1371 [05:56:42] <ld> i actually had a windows virtualbox vm, and copied the virtualbox partitions over onto the disk
1372 [05:56:45] <stoned> beastwick, what is it about the gaming that you like?
1373 [05:57:05] <ld> who knows if it will work
1374 [05:57:07] <stoned> beastwick, consider that the turmoil you're facing right now is because you are a slave to your senses.
1375 [05:57:12] <ld> but right now the problem is getting grub to work again
1376 [05:57:45] <stoned> beastwick, the senses find gaming pleasing, so you spend your time and effort to please the senses.
1377 [05:57:50] <stoned> See how this is working against you?
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1380 [05:58:14] <pepee> is it an uefi system, ld ?
1381 [05:58:20] <ld> no
1382 [05:58:22] <ld> thank goodness
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1386 [05:59:43] <Lionyx>
1387 [05:59:43] <Lionyx> c
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1389 [06:00:46] <beastwick> stoned lol, I don't game as much as it sounds... I just have bought too many Window's games.
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1391 [06:01:21] <stoned> I was dating this teacher in 2010, she was a heavy gamer. I spent close to 10k in games and consoles myself in one year.
1392 [06:01:36] <beastwick> stoned holy balls, not that much here lol
1393 [06:01:37] <ld> what do i do
1394 [06:01:42] <pepee> I don't know if google is getting worse, or if it's my google-fu ... but I can't find a decent guide on how to recover grub
1395 [06:02:03] <beastwick> stoned I buy too many deal bundles... I just got metro redux, both games for six buclks
1396 [06:02:07] <ld> i was thinking of: 1) mount hd, /dev/sda1, cd to it 2) chroot 3)grub-install
1397 [06:02:07] <beastwick> and eve online for $4
1398 [06:02:18] <beastwick> alien iso for 10
1399 [06:02:28] <beastwick> trying to finish that... it's hard :P
1400 [06:02:37] <beastwick> I rewatched all the alien movies tho because of it
1401 [06:02:38] <Rusty1_> !offtopic
1402 [06:02:38] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
1403 [06:02:45] <stoned> !reinstall grub
1404 [06:02:45] <dpkg> See replaced-url
1405 [06:02:49] <beastwick> Hey Rusty1_ tell that to INNIS
1406 [06:02:56] <pepee> ld, IIRC, the process is like this: boot the live cd/usb/..., then mount the linux partition, then run grub-install, then chroot the partition, then update-grub
1407 [06:03:15] <stoned> pepee, hi, check that factoid
1408 [06:03:23] <ld> oh crap my livecd is 32bit but my install is 64
1409 [06:03:28] <pepee> stoned, tell ld
1410 [06:03:31] <stoned> oh
1411 [06:03:38] <stoned> im sure he saw.
1412 [06:03:48] <pepee> yeah
1413 [06:04:02] <ld> stoned: thanks
1414 [06:04:04] <pepee> now, if only someone could help me...
1415 [06:04:08] <stoned> yw
1416 [06:04:09] <pepee> does anyone have experience with qemu + architectures other than x86? I want to install debian stretch (in a VM) by using this disk: replaced-url
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1418 [06:05:35] <beastwick> stoned: apt-clone uses dpkg-repack replaced-url
1419 [06:07:30] <stoned> pepee, why qemu?
1420 [06:07:48] <PryMar56> pepee, perhaps qemu-system-mips is involved
1421 [06:07:50] <pepee> stoned, what else can I use?
1422 [06:07:54] <stoned> pepee, virtual box?
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1424 [06:07:57] <pepee> PryMar56, it is, yes
1425 [06:08:01] <stoned> possibly lxc/docker? maybe?
1426 [06:08:03] <pepee> stoned, for mips? no
1427 [06:08:05] <stoned> oh
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1434 [06:09:40] <ld> in making a debian livecd, is the correct way just to dd if=(livecd).iso of=/dev/sdX
1435 [06:09:44] <pepee> PryMar56, the problem is, while I managed to run the kernel and all that, it won't recognize the drives or the network... so it's useless
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1438 [06:13:09] <beastwick> is it safe to install linux the mbr way if the disk is gpt uefi?
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1445 [06:16:24] <PryMar56> pepee, did you try nic,model=pcnet and raw file image ext2?
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1467 [06:25:26] <[Saint]> Well, I managed to get it /kinda/ working.
1468 [06:26:17] <[Saint]> I ended up splitting my hardstatus config up between the hardstatus and caption string strings.
1469 [06:27:29] <[Saint]> But this is far from idea because for some reason the colour and formatting strings for both hardstatus and caption string are slightly different and there's apparently no way to center text without padding - and padding means fill with the background colour.
1470 [06:27:40] <[Saint]> s/idea/ideal/
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1481 [06:38:51] <anonrate> What do I use in place of xl2tpd in stretch? I know for openswan it's strongswan, but what about said xl2tpd?
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1494 [06:49:06] <jim> hi... I want to set which name server I use (at least for a few days, I'll install a bind9 on the same machine)... but, I don't see anything that mentions my ethernet card... running jessie, I brought it uptodate a few days ago
1495 [06:49:34] <mrrhq> anonrate: Well, it is on stable. Honestly, using testing on a server is a bad idea, and probably an even worse idea than using Sid. Maybe they froze/removed the package from testing. That's what they do sometimes. That's why I never use testing anymore.
1496 [06:49:40] <mrrhq> !testing
1497 [06:49:41] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
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1500 [06:51:29] <anonrate> So are you saying I should switch back to jessie?
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1505 [06:52:43] <missmbob> if you care about security, yes
1506 [06:52:50] <anonrate> Screw it, might as well. I've only reinstalled my OS 16 times. No matter how hard I try, it seems that I can't install an iso onto my usb using dd
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1508 [06:52:58] <jim> I looked in my interfaces file (replaced-url
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1510 [06:53:07] <anonrate> Hi jim
1511 [06:53:16] <jim> hi :)
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1514 [06:54:59] <Mava> anonrate: what on earth? an debian installation disk onto the usb flash drive ?
1515 [06:55:10] <anonrate> I mean install from it.
1516 [06:55:16] <anonrate> CD's are toooooooooooooooo slow.
1517 [06:55:31] <missmbob> cp debian.iso /dev/sdX
1518 [06:55:34] <Mava> no
1519 [06:55:45] <missmbob> yes. that's what the release guide says to do.
1520 [06:56:06] <Mava> dd if=debianXX.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M ; sync
1521 [06:56:23] <Mava> and the destination must not be mounted (nor partitioned)
1522 [06:56:30] <anonrate> That's what I tried but it didm't work. I will try it agian.
1523 [06:56:33] <TomTomTosch> dd and cp do the same, the release notes use cp.
1524 [06:56:46] <Mava> sure the cp is a bit more safer
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1526 [06:56:53] <nevyn> anonrate: sdx not sdx1
1527 [06:56:59] <anonrate> COmand to check what mouned again? lsv sometrhing?
1528 [06:57:01] <anonrate> I know nevyn
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1530 [06:57:06] <anonrate> I foudnt that out the hardway. xD
1531 [06:57:09] <DocMAX> is it possible to restart a service if port is not open anymore?
1532 [06:57:14] <Mava> anonrate: did you try to boot already from the usb stick ?
1533 [06:57:22] <anonrate> Yes I did.
1534 [06:57:27] <Mava> .. and ?
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1536 [06:58:04] <anonrate> Just got a cusor in the top left, but I'm going to try it agian, what is the command to check to see what is mouned?
1537 [06:58:08] <anonrate> lsv something, no?
1538 [06:58:35] <Mava> so it goes forward from the boot screen and loads something from the USB ?
1539 [06:58:35] <TomTomTosch> df
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1550 [07:09:02] <[Saint]> dd and cp sure as heck don't "do the same thing".
1551 [07:09:21] <[Saint]> vaguely similar end results, though, I guess.
1552 [07:09:32] <[Saint]> for varying degrees of similar.
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1556 [07:11:46] <TomTomTosch> cp is a higher level tool that's easier to use and produces the same result in this case. not sure what there is to argue about.
1557 [07:12:22] <mrrhq> That sounds like a cool way to use cp, but I thought you couldn't copy files to block devices.
1558 [07:12:50] <mrrhq> Besides, how is it safer if you still choose the wrong block device?
1559 [07:12:51] <missmbob> mrrhq: you can with these hybrid isos
1560 [07:13:31] <Mava> good point, usually i've broke my installations only with dd, not with cp.
1561 [07:13:36] <TomTomTosch> mrrhq: the isos contain a fs. you are meant to copy them to a block device.
1562 [07:14:22] <mrrhq> ISO9660 is a strange beast.
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1567 [07:16:38] <[Saint]> Pedantic or not, what I took issue with was the statement that cp and dd do the same thing, when what you clearly meant was the result is the same.
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1569 [07:17:09] <[Saint]> You don't want people to go around thinking that dd is just 'cp for cool kids' and nuking shit.
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1574 [07:19:11] <[Saint]> Mava: also - fwiw, the destination being parititioned or not doesn't really matter at all when you're going to overwrite the partition table anwyay.
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1576 [07:19:35] <Mava> [Saint]: so it just ignores and rewrites the whole table ?
1577 [07:20:41] <Mava> [Saint]: thanks for info
1578 [07:20:47] <mrrhq> In all honesty, I wonder if cp performs better than dd. Also, what happens if you use cp more than once, or on an already full storage device?
1579 [07:21:25] <mrrhq> dd only performs as good as the block size you give it and bytes it has to process.
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1591 [07:29:16] <[Saint]> Mava: it doesn't ignore it, it has no concept of it existing.
1592 [07:29:34] <[Saint]> you're doing a raw write to a block device.
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1597 [07:30:09] <[Saint]> (ingoring it would assume that it was aware of the content it was overwriting and did so selectively when it fact it just plain doesn't care)
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1599 [07:30:36] <Mava> hehe
1600 [07:30:46] <[Saint]> one of the reasons dd got the hilarious moniker of 'disk destroyer'.
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1609 [07:35:00] <DeaDSouL> hi, I've added the jessie-backports repo... but its packages are not deactivated by default.. how can I deactivate it, and specify the '-t jessie-backports' only if I want to install something from backports ?
1610 [07:35:05] <mrrhq> I mean dd can also write to a file too, so it's just the symantics of how they both work.
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1613 [07:37:32] <mrrhq> DeaDSouL: Are you sure about that? what does "apt policy" show? The numbers on the left are your APT pinning number.
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1616 [07:39:39] <DeaDSouL> mrrhq: `apt policy` says: 'E: Invalid operation policy'
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1618 [07:40:17] <mrrhq> Sorry. Try "apt-cache policy", without the quotes.
1619 [07:40:31] <rjsalts> DeaDSouL: apt-cache policy
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1621 [07:41:17] <mrrhq> Shoot, that must be a feature in unstable or something.
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1624 [07:42:43] <DeaDSouL> mrrhq: here bro: replaced-url
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1627 [07:45:10] <mrrhq> DeaDSouL: Looks to me like jessie-backports are being pinned at the same number as the regular packages. You might want to follow this: replaced-url
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1629 [07:45:47] <jelly> DeaDSouL: it works like that by default > how can I deactivate it, and specify the '-t jessie-backports' only if I want to install something from backports
1630 [07:46:00] <jelly> no reason to play with pinning
1631 [07:46:13] <DeaDSouL> mrrhq: the packages are pinned to 100, only the translations pinned to 500
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1635 [07:46:41] <DeaDSouL> jelly: jessie repo doesn't have kodi
1636 [07:46:44] <DeaDSouL> ,v kodi
1637 [07:46:45] <judd> Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 16.1+dfsg1-1~bpo8+3; stretch: 16.1+dfsg1-2; sid: 16.1+dfsg1-2; experimental: 17.0~alpha3+dfsg1-1; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:16.1-dmo6
1638 [07:47:35] <DeaDSouL> jelly: but if i try `aptitude install kodi` it will install it from jessie-backports... even if I didn't specify the '-t jessie-backports'
1639 [07:47:58] <jelly> DeaDSouL: and you want apt to not try installing at all, even if the only available version is in jessie-backports?
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1641 [07:48:41] <DeaDSouL> jelly: yes, I don't want it to install it if it's not in the jessie's repos.
1642 [07:48:59] <DeaDSouL> jelly: unless I specify which repo it should install it from
1643 [07:49:06] <mrrhq> DeaDSouL: Hmm... Well, APT does try to resolve dependency issues on its own sometimes, so if you previously installed libraries and programs from backports, it might be trying to reslove that.
1644 [07:49:15] <mrrhq> So try it with -t stable and see if it works.
1645 [07:49:41] <jelly> DeaDSouL: ah. Ok. It works as described for packages that exist in both main and backports repors.
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1647 [07:50:57] <DeaDSouL> jelly: AH, I see... so if the package exists on both repos it will install it by default from jessie's repo. unless I specify the other repo?
1648 [07:51:02] <mrrhq> But yeah, if backports works like that as jelly suggested, then you will have to do APT-Pinning regardless to change that behavior if you really want to.
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1650 [07:51:22] <TomTomTosch> pinning will do nothing here.
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1653 [07:52:03] <DeaDSouL> mrrhq: the thing is I don't want to install something from backports by mistake.. like I think I'm installing it from jessie, but aptitude pulls it from backports
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1655 [07:52:06] <mrrhq> I mean, it's your choice to use backports. *shrug*
1656 [07:52:10] <TomTomTosch> it does what it's meant to do. it installes the matching package that is pinned highest, which is kodi in this case, even if it's only 100.
1657 [07:52:30] <TomTomTosch> * kodi from backports
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1659 [07:52:59] <jelly> DeaDSouL: right.
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1663 [07:53:48] <Drzacek> Hello. How can I install updates from command line? The graphical tool doesn't work
1664 [07:54:07] <mrrhq> !backport caveat
1665 [07:54:07] <dpkg> Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to be patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered.
1666 [07:54:15] <DeaDSouL> TomTomTosch: like what jelly said. if it works like that, then I don't think I have to change anything. right?
1667 [07:54:18] <jelly> Drzacek: which debian release are you using?
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1669 [07:54:48] <Drzacek> current testing version, whatever codename it has
1670 [07:54:49] <DeaDSouL> Drzacek: `aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade`
1671 [07:55:00] <Drzacek> no apt-get version?
1672 [07:55:11] <jelly> Drzacek: how did you install testing?
1673 [07:55:30] <pingfloyd> Drzacek: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
1674 [07:55:37] <Drzacek> I installed debian jessie, then upgraded
1675 [07:56:04] <TomTomTosch> DeaDSouL: nope, i think we talked about this yesterday. you can also use /msg judd v <pkg> , apt-cache policy <pkg> or packages.debian.org to see what's available for you.
1676 [07:56:16] <jelly> Drzacek: since you're on testing, package dependencies will change often, and there will be breakage.
1677 [07:56:37] <pingfloyd> you're on testing, you're the guinea pig
1678 [07:57:00] <Drzacek> I can live with that
1679 [07:57:27] <Drzacek> Although the main reason I did that was the gcc. No one told me I could bet single packages from other versions
1680 [07:57:33] <jelly> Drzacek: and since they change so much, it's anyone's guess whether apt or aptitude will behave better. you'll probably want to use: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
1681 [07:57:42] <pingfloyd> you're on unstable, you're the kicking post
1682 [07:57:58] <jelly> Drzacek: you can't cherry pick, that doesn't really work
1683 [07:58:09] <[Saint]> Drzacek: what's the host hardware, out of interest?
1684 [07:58:10] <jelly> !debian-next
1685 [07:58:10] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1686 [07:58:11] <Drzacek> what is the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade?
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1688 [07:58:23] <jelly> ^^ testing questions there
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1690 [07:58:33] <Mava> Drzacek: i'm using the testing version totally and being very fine with that. though got to use apt-get or apt for the upgrade since aptitude messes things up.
1691 [07:58:36] <Drzacek> jelly, that is not testing question
1692 [07:58:47] <pingfloyd> Drzacek: dist-upgrade gives apt permission to remove packages to satisfy dependencies
1693 [07:59:07] <[Saint]> Drzacek: would I be barking up the wrong tree to assume you're using a raspberry pi?
1694 [07:59:08] <jelly> Drzacek: you can ask the bot about stuff, /msg dpkg dist-upgrade
1695 [07:59:12] <Drzacek> I never used aptitude, so apt-get seems natural for me
1696 [07:59:38] <DeaDSouL> TomTomTosch: thanks bro
1697 [07:59:46] <Drzacek> [Saint], I am using RPi, but not now :)
1698 [07:59:48] <mrrhq> I also don
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1700 [07:59:53] <mrrhq> *don
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1702 [08:00:01] <mrrhq> don't recomment using aptitude.
1703 [08:00:06] <Mava> =D
1704 [08:00:10] <mrrhq> Wow sorry, I keep hitting my enter key.
1705 [08:00:15] <[Saint]> Oh, sorry - it was beadsoul and yourself I was mixing up.
1706 [08:00:18] <[Saint]> Nevermind.
1707 [08:00:23] <[Saint]> bah - DeaDSouL
1708 [08:00:36] <Mava> mrrhq: its way too close on the keyboard isn't it
1709 [08:00:36] <jelly> Mava: it's nice to have more people testing the upcoming release... as long as they know what they're getting into!
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1711 [08:00:42] <pingfloyd> Drzacek: there's no reason you can't keep using apt-get if you want
1712 [08:00:59] <Drzacek> great
1713 [08:01:00] <Mava> jelly: thanks =)
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1715 [08:01:18] <mrrhq> I am leaning to the side with my laptop. It's stupid.
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1717 [08:02:05] <[Saint]> seeing debian jessie and kodi mentioned at the same time by what I (incorrectly) read to be the same person just got me thinking "is this person using a raspi? do they know libreelec exists?"
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1721 [08:02:52] <mrrhq> So is using straight up "apt" instead of apt-<module> a new thing that's been going on in Ubuntu/Sid recently?
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1723 [08:02:53] <ransur0t> [Saint]: have you used libreelec?
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1725 [08:03:12] <[Saint]> Yes.
1726 [08:03:13] <mrrhq> Just wondering if people can do that.
1727 [08:03:18] <jelly> mrrhq: the "apt" command is available in debian 8
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1729 [08:03:27] <ransur0t> good jeos?
1730 [08:03:32] <mrrhq> Shoot, I gotta stop using it on here then when giving help.
1731 [08:03:36] <missmbob> just not as complete. it's missing a lot of stretch's version
1732 [08:03:41] <[Saint]> jeos?
1733 [08:04:22] <mrrhq> Wow, DuckDuckGo is actually down.
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1735 [08:04:28] <mrrhq> I thought I lost it.
1736 [08:04:31] <ransur0t> just enough OS, vs a full distro, etc
1737 [08:04:41] <missmbob> mrrhq: working here
1738 [08:04:51] <mrrhq> Google works. Lol, Idk what's going on.
1739 [08:04:57] <[Saint]> Well, good as opposed to...what? What are your qualifiers for good.
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1741 [08:05:08] <[Saint]> Its a kludge of openelec and kodi - not much more to it.
1742 [08:05:23] <jelly> ransur0t, [Saint]: use #debian-offtopic for not-debian-tech-support
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1744 [08:05:28] <ransur0t> mrrhq: I just got results returned from ddgo
1745 [08:05:34] <[Saint]> errr, open embedded, sorry.
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1750 [08:06:20] <mrrhq> My browser is acting really wonky. Didn't mean to derail anything.
1751 [08:06:34] <ransur0t> [Saint]: I know what you mean. I was just considering it to replace a htpc running full distro, and using docker to make sure I have all features I need ...
1752 [08:07:04] <mrrhq> All better now. :p
1753 [08:07:06] <[Saint]> Then, yes, you do want LibreELEC.
1754 [08:07:13] <ransur0t> in the end, probably more work than I need to deal with, and a full distro is better for the range of uses I require
1755 [08:07:43] <ransur0t> [Saint]: interesting. Did you compile your own build?
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1757 [08:07:56] <[Saint]> if there's not an addon to enable the functionality you want the functionality you want is probably stupid. :P
1758 [08:08:39] <[Saint]> it has a docker wrapper anyway so even if it didn't, it could.
1759 [08:09:03] <[Saint]> but, something something - topic, and, yes - yes I do.
1760 [08:09:05] <ransur0t> [Saint]: not really, I use the htpc to do analog recording (vinyl source) and radio streams rips ...
1761 [08:09:20] <ransur0t> oops -- we're not on off-topic, sorry!
1762 [08:09:27] <[Saint]> so totally standard shit then, right.
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1764 [08:09:49] <ransur0t> somewhat standard, docker needed for sure though ...
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1766 [08:10:44] <[Saint]> that's not particularly exotic requirements at all and should be perfectly manageable unless there's context you left out.
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1768 [08:11:13] <ransur0t> agreed, not exotic at all ...
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1771 [08:12:17] <ransur0t> I just have zero experience with docker ... unsure of how effective it is
1772 [08:12:34] <mrrhq> I like how every Linux project ever that has "Open" in the name, suddenly has to have someone replace it with "Libre". Libreboot/Coreboot OpenELEC/LibreELEC, Openoffice/Libreoffice, etc...
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1774 [08:12:58] <mrrhq> So what's new with LibreELEC? I haven't used it.
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1783 [08:15:39] <ax> hi all
1784 [08:15:45] <ax> how to install RT2870 Wireless Lan Linux Driver
1785 [08:16:08] <ax> on debian 8
1786 [08:16:20] <jelly> !rt2870
1787 [08:16:21] <dpkg> Ralink 802.11n/g USB chipsets (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072, RT3370, RT3572, RT5370, RT5372, RT5572) are supported by the rt2800usb Linux kernel driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. replaced-url
1788 [08:16:38] <ransur0t> ax: ndiswrapper
1789 [08:16:49] <ransur0t> ?
1790 [08:16:57] <jelly> ax: do you already have debian 8 installed, or are you able to reinstall?
1791 [08:17:17] <mrrhq> It would either be in firmware-linux-free or firmware-linux-nonfree.
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1795 [08:17:28] <mrrhq> Mayhaps.
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1797 [08:17:38] <jelly> don't guess your advice
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1799 [08:17:46] <jelly> ,v firmware-ralink
1800 [08:17:46] <judd> Package: firmware-ralink on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43
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1804 [08:19:53] <ax> jelly, i have debian8 installed.
1805 [08:19:54] <jelly> (firmware-misc-nonfree in newer releases, replaced-url
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1809 [08:20:24] <jelly> ax: do you have wired network access in the meantime?
1810 [08:20:47] <ax> jelly, i have installed firmware-ralink with aptitude
1811 [08:20:55] <jelly> ax: good, just reboot then
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1813 [08:21:42] <ax> jelly, i have also reboot my laptop
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1817 [08:22:22] <ax> but does not work!
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1819 [08:22:48] <jelly> ax: huh, maybe your wifi is a bit newer.
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1821 [08:22:56] <jelly> !bdo kernel
1822 [08:22:56] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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1829 [08:23:44] <jelly> ax: ^^ try installing a newer kernel from jessie-backports, and also matching firmware: apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-misc-nonfree
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1832 [08:24:34] <ax> oh please say me these process step by step...
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1837 [08:24:56] <missmbob> ax replaced-url
1838 [08:25:20] <jelly> !jessie backports
1839 [08:25:21] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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1852 [08:31:05] <mrrhq> I wish the Linux/Debian devs would merge in the new open ath9k_htc drivers from Github already, instead of using non-free ones.
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1854 [08:31:42] <mrrhq> I have one of those for some reason, not that I need it for anything right now. Haha.
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1868 [08:37:43] <ax> jelly, i installed jessie backports, next step?
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1870 [08:38:46] <jelly> if you installed newer kernel and firmware from jessie-backports, then reboot into that and see if wifi works
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1875 [08:39:27] <jelly> if you just enabled the repository and did an "apt-get update", then
1876 [08:39:33] <jelly> aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` firmware-misc-nonfree
1877 [08:40:06] <unborn> does anyone having troubles to copy files to usb flash drive or its just me?
1878 [08:40:15] <ax> jelly, output of uname -a:
1879 [08:40:21] <ax> jelly, 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3
1880 [08:40:41] <jelly> that's the default kernel, not the jessie-backports one
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1887 [08:42:00] <ax> jelly, Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "firmware-misc-nonfree"
1888 [08:42:21] <maziar> what is the best and fast way to archive 400G directory
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1890 [08:42:59] <jelly> ax: did you forget to run "apt-get update" after enabling jessie-backports repository
1891 [08:43:14] <jelly> ,v firmware-misc-nonfree
1892 [08:43:15] <judd> Package: firmware-misc-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1
1893 [08:43:20] <missmbob> or just added main to backports and not non-free
1894 [08:43:39] <jelly> ax: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
1895 [08:43:43] <jelly> !paste
1896 [08:43:43] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1903 [08:48:08] <ax> jelly, solved!. firmware-misc-nonfree installed
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1905 [08:48:22] <missmbob> now reboot
1906 [08:48:52] <ax> really?
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1909 [08:49:12] <missmbob> yes. into the new backported 4.6 kernel
1910 [08:49:36] <unborn> why debian mount usb stick as read only ? anyone?
1911 [08:50:07] <TomTomTosch> unborn: which fs?
1912 [08:50:24] <unborn> fat32
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1917 [08:50:53] <missmbob> unborn: last time i had that problem the stick was dying.
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1921 [08:51:19] <ax> tanx, i will come back
1922 [08:51:27] <unborn> oh.. okay perhaps you right missmbob
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1933 [08:55:39] <maziar> what is the best and fast way to archive 400G directory
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1948 [08:59:40] <mrrhq> maziar: Compress first then archive (copy). Probably using xz or BZip2 to keep all the file permissions.
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1950 [09:00:02] <mrrhq> Don't make my mistake of using 7-Zip.
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1952 [09:00:19] <maziar> mrrhq thi is okay? "tar cJvf xzcompressed.tar.xz directory3"
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1955 [09:02:10] <mrrhq> maziar: Yeah, I think that's good.
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1957 [09:02:20] <maziar> mrrhq thank you
1958 [09:02:39] <jelly> however, neither xz or bz2 can be called "fast"
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1962 [09:03:40] <mrrhq> It's faster than copying uncompressed data from one block device to another.
1963 [09:03:43] <unborn> maziar: i would pack that 400gb directory into tar - no compression but one file archive..
1964 [09:03:54] <mrrhq> speed vs compression has always been a struggle in computer science.
1965 [09:03:57] <jelly> mrrhq: that totally depends on the block devices in question
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1968 [09:04:06] <mrrhq> What we need is Pied Piper. :^)
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1970 [09:04:17] <maziar> unborn would you please tell me an example ?
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1973 [09:04:40] <jelly> pigz... is fast, given enough cpu cores. pbzip2 can be as fast as single-thread gzip, if you have 8+ cpu cores available
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1976 [09:05:04] <unborn> maziar: of ?
1977 [09:05:07] <pingfloyd> you must not be counting the time to compress it to begin with
1978 [09:05:25] <jelly> if you need single thread streaming compression pick lzop/lz4
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1980 [09:05:33] <maziar> unborn how do you pack that without compression
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1982 [09:05:48] <unborn> tar is designed to produce single archived file without compression.. something like zip file..
1983 [09:05:57] <mrrhq> Yeah, if you want to tar it, go ahead.
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1985 [09:06:16] <ax> i into 4.6 but x and kdm did not load!
1986 [09:06:20] <pingfloyd> tar also treats the archive as linear, so have fun when you just want to restore individuals files from it
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1988 [09:06:23] <unborn> or better said like iso
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1999 [09:07:56] <unborn> maziar: tar does not compress it will just pack all files/folders into one file.
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2004 [09:08:39] <pingfloyd> into a file format designed for linear media (e.g., tape).
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2007 [09:09:43] <mrrhq> pingfloyd: If it is impossible to extract individual files from tar easily, then maybe incremental rsynce backups.
2008 [09:09:55] <mrrhq> *rsync
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2015 [09:10:11] <unborn> pingfloyd: it would be better to extract all files to get anything out.. opening 400gb archive and extracting just one file is funny with any format I guess.. perhaps best option would be rsync that huge folder to external disk and use it as it is..
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2018 [09:10:22] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: it's not impossible, it's just needlessly time consuming
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2020 [09:10:27] <mrrhq> It looks like xz supports extracting individual files.
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2023 [09:10:41] <mrrhq> Because it's based on LZMA, anyway, like 7-Zip.
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2025 [09:11:17] <ax> jelly, i into 4.6 but x and kdm did not load!
2026 [09:11:21] <jelly> ax: are you using a non-free GPU driver?
2027 [09:11:36] <jelly> which graphic card do you have?
2028 [09:12:04] <ax> jelly, yes, Nvidia
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2030 [09:12:07] <mrrhq> I already know 7-Zip supports that.
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2032 [09:12:42] <maziar> how to restore rm -rf deleted files
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2037 [09:14:31] <mrrhq> maziar: The disk should be unmounted ASAP, then use PhotoRec.
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2039 [09:14:36] <jelly> ax: then you'll have to make that work with current kernel as well. "apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
2040 [09:14:52] <mrrhq> maziar: Boot into a Live CD with that on it and do it.
2041 [09:15:13] <jelly> not just umounted, power unplugged
2042 [09:15:57] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: extracting various files and directories from the tarball works okay, it's just it spends tons of time seeking because it's not good at random access. tar was designed with tape backups in mind.
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2044 [09:16:02] <circ-user-OrPup> TGIF ???
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2047 [09:17:30] <ax> output of uname -r on this kernel is 3.16.0-4-amd64 !!
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2049 [09:17:35] <mrrhq> pingfloyd: You (and I, as well) are also forgetting that bz2 and xz allow you to set a compression level as well, so you can always use less than the default.
2050 [09:17:46] <jelly> ax: you did not boot into the backports kernel, then
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2053 [09:18:19] <jelly> ax: (and also that means there's a different reason why X would fail)
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2056 [09:18:44] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: the problem isn't compressing/decompressing, it's the long seeking
2057 [09:18:46] <jelly> ax: ls -la /boot/vmlinuz*
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2059 [09:19:10] <jelly> ax: is there any 4.6 kernel there?
2060 [09:19:11] <mrrhq> pingfloyd: But that is a good factoid about tar. I know the long history about the file type as well.
2061 [09:19:35] <ax> jelly, yes: /boot/vmlinuz-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
2062 [09:19:40] <mrrhq> Kids these days will never touch a cassette tape.
2063 [09:20:18] <jelly> ax: run "update-grub", reboot, pick "advanced options" on the boot menu and make sure to boot that 4.6.0- thing
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2065 [09:21:36] <ax> jelly, ok and after log in?
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2070 [09:22:35] <jelly> ax: I hope dkms will take care of rebuilding nvidia kernel bits. If not we'll see about that later.
2071 [09:22:37] <Geom> a quick noob Q gentlemen… parse is to manipulate the result of a certain command by the use of binaries like sed,grep,awk?
2072 [09:22:56] <jelly> Geom: do you have context?
2073 [09:23:46] <Geom> well, been reading about "ls" behavior
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2075 [09:24:11] <ax> jelly, after login i install nvidia driver?
2076 [09:24:17] <Geom> and it staed that is not good to prase it
2077 [09:24:24] <Geom> stated*
2078 [09:24:44] <mrrhq> That's pretty much what the word parse means.
2079 [09:24:50] <jelly> Geom: "it's not good for automated, programmatic processing"
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2081 [09:25:09] <Geom> mrrhq thanks!
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2083 [09:25:24] <pingfloyd> Geom: that's more a problem when you do something that output and depend on it to be parsed in an expected way
2084 [09:25:26] <mrrhq> It's common for people to use pipelining commands in Linux! Don't be ashamed to come up with some.
2085 [09:25:26] <Geom> Ok jelly. than you for the info
2086 [09:25:57] <pingfloyd> Geom: if it's just for visual ouput, it doesn't really matter so much
2087 [09:25:59] <jelly> !parsing ls
2088 [09:25:59] <dpkg> Trying to manipulate the output of "ls" isn't a very good idea at all: the output varies when you change locales or even between different versions of coreutils (let alone between linux and other unices). The output of ls was never designed to be fed into other programs and if you have odd characters like spaces or newlines in your filenames then you will strike trouble. See replaced-url
2089 [09:26:22] <mrrhq> I just use "ls -lah" all the time
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2092 [09:26:31] <mrrhq> Works fine for me.
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2097 [09:27:41] <jelly> ax: after reboot, try to run "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms", if it succeeds reboot again and you ought to have the driver working
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2100 [09:29:08] <mrrhq> If you want a cool trick, try echo {.*,*}
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2103 [09:29:46] <mrrhq> Bash uses globs a lot to put files in a list.
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2113 [09:34:02] <ax> jelly, i have install nvidia from .sh file from official site!!!
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2118 [09:34:29] <jelly> ax: ouch, you used that?
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2120 [09:34:52] <ax> jelly, yeah
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2122 [09:35:16] <no_gravity> Hello! After the restart of my router, suddenly my debian laptop won't connect anymore. Any ideas how to debug this?
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2126 [09:36:21] <jelly> ax: no wonder it broke. Can you uninstall that using their installer, and use apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms
2127 [09:36:27] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
2128 [09:36:28] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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2132 [09:37:34] <jelly> at this point you just need to
2133 [09:37:36] <jelly> aptitude -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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2136 [09:37:57] <no_gravity> Bam! It connected!
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2145 [09:40:08] <ax> can i install again nvidia driver manually in 4.6?
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2149 [09:41:53] <ax> jelly, can i install again nvidia driver manually in 4.6?
2150 [09:42:09] <jelly> ax: yes, however that installer makes a mess that's hard to fix in the future
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2174 [09:52:19] <umbaman> gyus.... I've got -----Internet<---modem/router (192.168.1.1)<------Access Point (192.168.0.2, configures as rooter)<------client
2175 [09:52:34] <umbaman> I want the client behind the Access point to have a static IP of 192.168.1.13 and connected to the internet... how?
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2181 [09:54:38] <Drzacek> To start making Qt applications, I need to install libqt4-dev package, right? Or something else too?
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2191 [09:58:31] <jim> I've been wondering this literally for like 10 years or more... what do super cow powers do?
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2197 [10:00:57] <jelly> jim: replaced-url
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2203 [10:02:05] <missmbob> jim try apt-get moo
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2210 [10:03:49] <mrrhq> umbaman: In your interfaces file, instead of inet dhcp, you should use inet static. Read about it in the interfaces manpage file.
2211 [10:04:06] <missmbob> jim also aptitude -vvvvv moo (note this one is aptitude)
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2218 [10:07:29] <TomTomTosch> if you keep adding vs you get a dancing cow at some point :>
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2225 [10:08:54] <ld> hi all
2226 [10:09:08] <ld> will deleting my swap partition (inside a logical partition) break boot
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2237 [10:13:17] <jim> ld, edit /etc/fstab and take that swap partition out
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2240 [10:14:32] <no_gravity> What is the way to regain control of a terminal that is frozen? I have bash in it, sshed to another server, using bash over there too.
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2242 [10:14:43] <mrrhq> ld: It shouldn't. Swap is used as a pagefile in computing, and it basically holds pages (memory of programs).
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2244 [10:14:49] <jim> or change it to refer to other swap available at boot
2245 [10:15:38] <no_gravity> Tried CTRL-q. Does not work.
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2247 [10:15:40] <missmbob> no_gravity: you learn to start using screen
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2249 [10:16:10] <jim> or alternatively tmux
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2251 [10:16:44] <ld> nice, thanks
2252 [10:16:47] <jim> here's some stuff about tmux in case you're curious: replaced-url
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2257 [10:17:20] <ld> my mbr got wiped so now i am trying to put grub back on it
2258 [10:18:07] <jim> can you get into your system another way?
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2260 [10:18:22] <ld> when i boot to a livecd and run grub> root (hd0,0) grub> setup (hd0) it hangs
2261 [10:18:33] <ld> with grub taking up 100% cpu indefinitely
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2264 [10:19:29] <ld> how can i tell what is holding grub up
2265 [10:19:44] <jim> can you boot your installation using the grub on the livecd?
2266 [10:19:55] <ld> good question, i will try
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2269 [10:20:27] <jim> in grub shell, tab key is usually your friend
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2274 [10:23:57] <mrrhq> Grub rescue shell. Ew.
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2332 [10:53:25] <ld> alright
2333 [10:53:29] <ld> idk what the issue was
2334 [10:53:33] <ld> but what finally fixed it was
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2336 [10:53:40] <ld> creating a 1mb partition at the beginnign of the disk
2337 [10:53:55] <ld> then dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/newpartition
2338 [10:54:08] <ld> total hack but it worked
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2341 [10:54:47] <ld> then from the livecd mounting the hosts linux system to /mnt, mounting /dev /proc /sys inside /mnt
2342 [10:55:09] <ld> then chrooting to /mnt and running update-grub and stuff from there
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2344 [10:55:25] <ld> heres what saved my life:
2345 [10:55:47] <ld> if you dont have admin perms on a computer there is no way to make a traditional livecd or liveusb from that system
2346 [10:56:10] <ld> but flashing android devices (eg with Odin) does not take permissions
2347 [10:56:57] <ld> so if all you have access to is a system with no permissions, you can root your phone from it, and boot to the cell phone (there is an app for this)
2348 [10:57:02] <ld> (but it requires root)
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2370 [11:14:41] <CastelRune> SynrG : My rDNS doen't work yet :/
2371 [11:14:51] <CastelRune> I have sent a mail to OVh
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2373 [11:15:01] <CastelRune> I don't know if they'll reply to me
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2381 [11:18:32] <petn-randall> ld: How do you not have a root shell on a system you have physical access to?
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2383 [11:18:52] <petn-randall> ld: init=/bin/bash, and you're done. Amongst a dozen other ways.
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2393 [11:22:28] <petn-randall> ld: But glad you found another way to gain access, haha :)
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2441 [11:48:30] <ueber> hi there
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2445 [11:51:28] <ueber> I've got an apache2 with virtual hosts, which I migrated from a server to another. Now I get a 500 internal server error on some of them
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2462 [12:03:02] <mik> !why apt
2463 [12:03:08] <mik> :C
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2480 [12:13:19] <merlin__> jelly, problem solved :) My dpkg-deb was corrupted, had to ar x dpkg.deb and copy to /usr/bin
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2482 [12:14:59] <merlin__> Glad to have solved it, I guess the cause will go unknown (cosmic rays?) but glad to be up and running again
2483 [12:16:58] <Klaus_Dieter> merlin__: this happened today, right? then the cause is Partial Operation Destabilisation Signal: replaced-url
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2495 [12:27:05] <hexadecimal> Hey
2496 [12:27:16] <jelly> merlin__: run debsums, see if it finds something else to be corrupted
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2499 [12:28:50] <sadsagfjg> hexadecimal: Don't Hey here! It is a serious place and go to some where else for chatting and just having fun MAN!
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2506 [12:31:54] <sadsagfjg> Join #architecture channel you people if you like the topic
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2511 [12:33:22] <sadsagfjg> ok
2512 [12:33:45] <hexadecimal> sadsagfjg: hey!
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2514 [12:34:39] <sadsagfjg> hexadecimal: OK! You say HEY? Hah? Come to Shoosh Square for fighting!
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2521 [12:37:24] <Jaga-Jaga> anyone here uses soundnode ?
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2532 [12:42:11] <sadsagfjg> hexadecimal: Do you know Shoosh square or not? If not, Come to Zoorabad?
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2537 [12:43:14] <jelly> can't take a hint eh
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2551 [12:49:46] <moldy> hi
2552 [12:50:12] <moldy> dmidecode reports 16gb ram installed, but the kernel seems to only see 8gb (according to free and such). any idea what would cause this?
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2555 [12:52:04] <spacemn> moldy: are you using ia32?
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2559 [12:54:39] <moldy> spacemn: no, it's a 64bit system
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2561 [12:54:45] <ananke> moldy: post dmesg from boot
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2564 [12:55:11] <merlin__> Klaus_Dieter, not today, but a BOFH calendar is just what I need for work, thanks :)
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2567 [12:55:55] <moldy> ananke: replaced-url
2568 [12:56:00] <merlin__> jelly, running debsums -sa now ... a few items there, does this fix issues or only detect them?
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2571 [12:59:47] <ananke> moldy: now the output of 'dmidecode -t 16'
2572 [13:00:45] <moldy> ananke: replaced-url
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2574 [13:01:58] <ananke> odd. so the system does support up to 32GB, yet it provides you access only to 8GB. can you post full output of dmidecode? also, does your bios actually show you full 16GB?
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2582 [13:05:41] <ananke> moldy: since this system uses ECC memory, my first instinct would be to check memory configuration. it's very possible you may have it set to mirroring, and that would result in getting always half of the total memory available
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2587 [13:07:36] <moldy> ananke: hehe, interesting. thanks for the suggestion. i would do this in the bios, i guess? i'll have to drive to the datacenter so i can't do it right now
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2593 [13:09:12] <ananke> moldy: yes
2594 [13:09:26] <moldy> ananke: alright. thanks!
2595 [13:09:32] <ananke> moldy: and sounds like your DC should provide you with out-of-band management
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2597 [13:09:56] <ananke> such as ilo/drac/etc
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2600 [13:10:32] <moldy> ananke: the system has a "imm" (ibm), but it doesn't respond :p
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2603 [13:10:45] <jelly> whoops
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2605 [13:10:51] <moldy> while i'm there, i'll update the bios
2606 [13:11:14] <moldy> it usually stops working after a few days :-/
2607 [13:11:42] <petemc> moldy: some imm use https with old unsecure keys that wont work with modern browsers
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2610 [13:12:23] <moldy> petemc: yep. this one doesn't respond to ping though.
2611 [13:12:29] <petemc> ah ok
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2613 [13:12:59] <moldy> there is another machine of the same model where the imm responds to ping, but the browser / curl etc. run into timeouts
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2615 [13:13:15] <moldy> i don't think i'll buy ibm again :p
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2682 [13:44:29] <asir> I'm reading the audit messages from a netlink socket interface but it seems that the netlink message header does not count the payload, if read beyond the header I can get the message content but no hint of how long the message is what make it difficult to workaround. Any suggestions?
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2722 [14:00:10] <tsu> hi
2723 [14:00:21] <tsu> i have a question, how can i shrink the image of the microSD so I will remove all the empty space ?
2724 [14:00:26] <tsu> dd conv=sparse is still leaving me with 16 gb image
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2728 [14:02:17] <nkuttler> tsu: what kind of image do you have? and why shrink it?
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2733 [14:04:29] <jelly> tsu: but the image is using a lot less space on disk, probably (see with du command)
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2739 [14:08:04] <merlin__> well that's a little strange, debsums is still reporting a change in debian-archive-keyring after having been reinstalled
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2743 [14:09:02] <tsu> I am trying to make an image of 16gb microSD card with two partitions on it, boot 100mb and file sytem 3gb, the rest is empty space, i would like to remove all the empty space from the image
2744 [14:09:19] <tsu> so i dont have 12gb of empty blocks in the image
2745 [14:09:53] <tsu> when i use dd if of conv=sparse it still writes empty blocks
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2747 [14:10:13] <tsu> is there a tool for this ?
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2749 [14:11:43] <Iridos> yes… there's stuff like clonezilla and partclone and partimage in debian
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2751 [14:12:19] <tsu> thanks
2752 [14:12:38] <Iridos> but last time I looked, I think only the same program could read the image properly again
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2754 [14:13:05] <Iridos> and the image wasn't mountable without conversion anymore
2755 [14:13:25] <phucktank> I have a debian server that I'm setting up. I have a static IP. When I do "service networking restart" the ipv4 doesn't connect and I have to type the command twice. This is really bad for SSH any ideas?
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2757 [14:14:18] <tsu> Partimage does not support ext4 or btrfs filesystems.
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2760 [14:15:00] <merlin__> jelly, sorry to trouble you again, but no matter how many times I reinstall debian-archive-keyring it's still getting flagged by debsums
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2762 [14:15:18] <merlin__> Am I missing something here?
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2766 [14:15:48] <jelly> merlin__: which file path are you getting errors on?
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2770 [14:16:16] <moldy> phucktank: afaik restarting of network interfaces is a little difficult, not really supported
2771 [14:16:31] <moldy> phucktank: but maybe you an do `´ifdown; ifup``
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2773 [14:17:05] <jelly> merlin__: running debsums on debian-archive-keyring version 2014.3 doesn't report errors here.
2774 [14:17:07] <merlin__> jelly, I think I made a dumb! It's a couple of gpg files, guess these are auto generated during triggers
2775 [14:17:38] <jelly> merlin__: dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring | tail -n 1
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2777 [14:18:56] <merlin__> ii debian-archive-keyring 2014.3 all GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive
2778 [14:19:02] <phucktank> moldy it was working fine before I reinstalled.
2779 [14:19:04] <merlin__> seems a little old
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2788 [14:19:43] <moldy> phucktank: whatever that means :)
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2792 [14:20:47] <merlin__> jelly, ii debian-archive-keyring 2014.3 all GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive
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2797 [14:21:30] <sadsagfjg> Hi
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2799 [14:22:15] <jelly> merlin__: yeah, I don't get debsums errors on it
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2802 [14:22:19] <jelly> but who knows
2803 [14:22:25] <JyZyXEL> how do you debug randomly occurring hard lockups?
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2808 [14:23:24] <merlin__> jelly, I'll keep investigating and let you know what I find ... but right now I have to troubleshoot a remote Windows user, oh the joys!
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2810 [14:23:47] <jelly> merlin__: replaced-url
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2823 [14:27:57] <phucktank> moldy, if you're still in here I found a better way "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" for future reference
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2828 [14:28:16] <Alicex> hi all
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2830 [14:28:22] <spacemn> JyZyXEL: isolating the sw or hw components
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2832 [14:28:54] <Alicex> someone can help me to understand how to build USB live from my Debian install ?
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2835 [14:29:17] <Alicex> I need to share my config and application to some different PC
2836 [14:29:24] <ax> how to connect to net in terminal without gui?
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2841 [14:31:04] <spacemn> ax: wifi or ethernet?
2842 [14:31:26] <ax> spacemn, wifi
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2853 [14:33:48] <moldy> phucktank: that's pretty much what i said, yes :)
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2856 [14:34:03] <spacemn> replaced-url
2857 [14:34:19] <moldy> phucktank: i usually do ; instead of && to ensure that ifup is run even if ifdown returns an error for some reason
2858 [14:35:04] <phucktank> Moldy, I didn't know that was a thing. i'll keep that in mine. Still new to the whole cli scene
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2862 [14:35:34] <moldy> phucktank: && will run the right-hand side only if the left-hand side returns 0 (0 means success)
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2871 [14:38:11] <g00se1> Is halting a system over ssh a known problem with Jessie? The box is still clearly on with "System halted" on the console. It powered off with Wheezy
2872 [14:39:07] <jelly> g00se1: how did you ask it to power off?
2873 [14:39:25] <jelly> ie. did you ask it to halt, or to power off?
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2875 [14:39:44] <jelly> or something else
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2889 [14:45:44] <spacemn> Alicex: have you looked for some guides?
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2891 [14:46:01] <spacemn> Alicex: like this one: replaced-url
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2894 [14:46:47] <g00se1> jelly: i thought they were synonymous. They certainly seemed to be in Wheezy
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2900 [14:49:05] <spacemn> Alicex: never tried it myself, but over the years I've cloned my current installation several times (HW upgrade or new PCs)
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2904 [14:51:19] <mdlpe> hi, how to prevent an usb wifi antenna to go to sleep mode ?
2905 [14:51:36] <spacemn> Alicex: I mean, never tried to create a live ISO from current installation
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2907 [14:53:39] <g00se1> It would appear they're different in Jessie.
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2916 [14:57:03] <elb4rt0> hello
2917 [14:57:26] <elb4rt0> everyone
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2927 [15:02:21] <jelly> fael, rafael: there's two of you!
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2943 [15:08:25] <g00se1> What would be the best way to judge the storage implication of aptitude remove task-xfce-desktop + aptitude install task-mate-desktop
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2945 [15:09:07] <Packet_Surf> so when you install debian, it asks for a email server or interent server. how do you configure the email server after yo uinstall, what it it qmail squirrle mail or wht?
2946 [15:09:51] <SynrG> Compare sizes of the live images for a very crude idea of percentage difference
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2949 [15:10:21] <SynrG> Then apply that factor to disk usage of your actual system
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2951 [15:10:45] <SynrG> (assuming you have a largely default system)
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2955 [15:11:19] <SynrG> If you have a lot of data, subtract that first
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2958 [15:13:36] <jelly> squirtle mail?
2959 [15:14:42] <EnchanterTim> I switch to null mailer
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2962 [15:15:30] <stoned> squirrel mail is a web based mail client isn't it?
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2964 [15:16:04] <stoned> Oh yea, rather old too. PHP4
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2970 [15:18:39] <stoned> jelly, don't tell me you play pokemon
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2975 [15:19:12] <stoned> I just saw the 'squirtil' bit hehe
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2981 [15:21:17] <Alicex> thanks spaceman
2982 [15:21:32] <Alicex> spaecmn
2983 [15:21:56] <Alicex> eh spacemn*
2984 [15:22:36] <spacemn> Alicex: you're welcome
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3003 [15:31:03] <ozette> i want to install a .deb package with dpkg on my nas, the nas already has an older version of the software i'm about to install, will it be overwritten?
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3008 [15:32:51] <themill> ozette: there can only be one version of any package installed
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3012 [15:34:04] <SynrG> ozette: However, one does not normally install a deb, but properly it is done via apt. Also, the deb needs to be built for the release you install it on
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3016 [15:34:34] <SynrG> So be cautious with downloaded debs
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3018 [15:37:01] <SynrG> What is the deb and what release of Debian if on the nas?
3019 [15:37:08] <SynrG> is*
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3024 [15:40:00] <Quatroking> hi
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3026 [15:40:14] <Quatroking> how do I connect to wifi while in a terminal session?
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3028 [15:41:06] <ozette> i see
3029 [15:41:22] <ozette> SynrG: well
3030 [15:41:28] <ozette> the nas doesn't have apt
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3034 [15:41:42] <ozette> it's a weird distro.. but it recognizes .deb i assume, because it has dpkg
3035 [15:41:53] <SynrG> Ah, so not really Debian
3036 [15:42:03] <ozette> yea.. it's a synology
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3039 [15:43:09] <SynrG> We can't help with this system. Good luck. Might want to dpkg-repack to make a backup of the installed deb first
3040 [15:43:33] <ozette> i was afraid so, yes
3041 [15:43:51] <ozette> nevermind :)
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3052 [15:48:21] <darxmurf> hi all
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3055 [15:49:37] <darxmurf> I changed the pkexec policies to allow users to run gparted locally but I had to run "xhost +" too to avoid a (gpartedbin:32086): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 error, why ??
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3059 [15:51:26] <babilen> dpkg: xhost
3060 [15:51:26] <dpkg> xhost is EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use SSH X11 forwarding, ask me about <sshx>. Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, replaced-url
3061 [15:51:33] <babilen> dpkg: mit-magic-cookie
3062 [15:51:34] <dpkg> mit-magic-cookie is a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use <xhost>. The xauth utility is in the xauth package (formerly xbase-clients) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me about <root x>.
3063 [15:51:47] <darxmurf> yep but for this situation it's not a remote X app
3064 [15:52:02] <darxmurf> we run this stuff locally
3065 [15:52:31] <babilen> It still appears as if you are accessing another X session
3066 [15:52:37] <darxmurf> okay
3067 [15:52:43] <darxmurf> dpkg: root x
3068 [15:52:44] <dpkg> If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>! (For wheezy, you can also try <sux>)
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3071 [15:53:30] <darxmurf> I also tried a sudoer file for this user but I had the same error
3072 [15:54:19] <babilen> dpkg: mit-magic-cookie export
3073 [15:54:19] <dpkg> You can export your <mit-magic-cookie> to allow another user to run applications on your display by doing one (but not both) of: 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or 'export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority'. For other approaches, ask me about <root x>.
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3076 [15:54:53] <darxmurf> thanks I'll have a look on this
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3095 [16:01:45] <darxmurf> but I have to run this "export XAUTHORITY=..." as root no ?
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3098 [16:05:33] <jelly> yes
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3102 [16:06:05] <jelly> you have to run it in the shell you're going start some X app from
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3119 [16:11:56] <circ-user-OrPup> TGIF !!!!!!!!!
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3134 [16:18:06] <darxmurf> I'll check that on monday \o/
3135 [16:18:11] <darxmurf> thanks folks see you !
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3176 [16:35:31] <gremish> ahh it's a wonderful day
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3192 [16:42:30] <ax> jelly, i install linux-headers-4.6 and tried to install nvidia from .sh file but did not work nvidia
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3195 [16:43:07] <jhutchins> ax: Please tell us what happened, not what didn't happen.
3196 [16:43:23] <ax> jelly, it's message: kernel module not build!!
3197 [16:43:27] <jhutchins> ax: Be as specific as possible.
3198 [16:43:29] <AxForest> grr i should remove the ax ping ^^
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3201 [16:43:58] <mtoroyarzo> w
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3211 [16:45:20] <ax> how to install RT2870 Wireless Lan Linux Driver on debian 8
3212 [16:45:34] <AxForest> ax - first edit source.list
3213 [16:45:44] <AxForest> to free contrib non-free
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3215 [16:45:57] <AxForest> than update and install ralink-firmware or firmware-ralink
3216 [16:46:02] <AxForest> -> reboot done
3217 [16:46:36] <jelly> ax: you probably got the wifi situation solved, but getting to network-manager in the GUI...
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3222 [16:47:26] <jelly> AxForest: they did that yesterday, and it did not work out well, then they installed jessie-backports kernel and firmware but X stopped working
3223 [16:47:37] <AxForest> o.O?
3224 [16:47:48] <AxForest> i need the rt2870 as well on my laptop and this worked just fine
3225 [16:47:49] <jelly> nvidia installer
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3229 [16:48:15] <jelly> AxForest: god for you
3230 [16:48:18] <jelly> good* even
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3237 [16:49:41] <ax> i have installed firmware-misc-nonfree
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3239 [16:50:10] <ax> and installed 4.6 kernel backports
3240 [16:50:29] <ax> but in 4.6 gui does not work
3241 [16:50:34] <AxForest> why from backports?
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3246 [16:52:11] <ax> i have wrong
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3249 [16:52:57] <ax> do i have wrong?
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3284 [17:00:58] <jelly> ax: which version of nvidia drivers do you have?
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3291 [17:02:02] <ax> jelly, NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-340.96.run
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3310 [17:04:49] <ax> this is readme of wireless card:
3311 [17:04:56] <ax> jelly, replaced-url
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3324 [17:10:11] <AxForest> jelly no nvidia
3325 [17:10:12] <jelly> ax: that's not for the card, that's for a VERY old version of the linux driver.
3326 [17:10:24] <jelly> AxForest: not you, "ax"
3327 [17:10:47] <AxForest> eh
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3329 [17:10:54] <AxForest> sry old habits never die
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3337 [17:14:44] <clueless> Hello! I'm completely new to Linux and Debian. I have the command line working but no DE or WM. I've tried installing KDE and Gnome but I don't like how much bloat they come with. Thinking of using i3wm. Is that appropriate for a complete beginner?
3338 [17:15:17] <greycat> Try it. If you don't like it, or can't understand it, then you can try something different.
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3340 [17:16:29] <clueless> Fair enough. Is it possible to get latest versions and updates of i3wm on debian stable?
3341 [17:16:33] <mtn> clueless: you might do better with xfce, it is more what you are used to, but trimmer than kde or gnome
3342 [17:16:52] <greycat> Stable is not about having the "latest" anything, but rather having something that is known to work.
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3344 [17:17:25] <r00tobo> clueless, you can try debian testing
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3346 [17:17:43] <greycat> I really would not encourage a newbie to jump straight to testing.
3347 [17:17:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys whats a good vnc app in linux?
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3351 [17:18:11] <c-c> clueless: my recommendation for desktop is LXDE, its very light
3352 [17:18:22] <r00tobo> greycat, yes, that's true...but if clueless wants the latest version, testing is the GO
3353 [17:18:33] <clueless> Yeah it's overwhelming how many different ways there are to start out on linux
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3355 [17:18:57] <clueless> I plan on investing a lot of time over the next 2 weeks before university to learn a lot
3356 [17:19:11] <clueless> I'm going into software eng and figure learning linux would be necessary and worthwhile
3357 [17:19:17] <r00tobo> my recommendation is XFCE / LXDE
3358 [17:19:19] <greycat> Totally worthwhile.
3359 [17:19:42] <clueless> I've seen a few videos of i3wm and it looks like a very cool and fun interface
3360 [17:19:52] <clueless> r/unixporn also seems to be a fan
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3362 [17:20:09] <clueless> Although I want to make sure I'm not getting distracted or too complicated right out of the gate
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3365 [17:20:26] <clueless> if you guys recommend against it then I could try out xfce or lxde
3366 [17:20:39] <greycat> Choice of desktop or window manager is extremely subjective. Only you can decide what you will like, and you can only learn that by trying different options.
3367 [17:20:53] <r00tobo> as greycat said
3368 [17:21:02] <mtn> clueless: you can have more than one wm/de installed. just choose the one you want in the login window
3369 [17:21:08] <r00tobo> it's completely up to the user
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3371 [17:21:56] <clueless> Okay :) I think I'll try out i3wm and see how far I get as I've watched a few tutorials and like how it looks.
3372 [17:22:21] <clueless> For installing it, I have debian stable I think, fresh install just the command line
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3375 [17:22:46] <clueless> To get the latest version how could I do that properly? I found this on i3's website
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3378 [17:23:00] <clueless> replaced-url
3379 [17:23:08] <greycat> Just use the version that is included in Debian stable.
3380 [17:23:25] <clueless> Not their latest one?
3381 [17:23:28] <greycat> At this point you don't even know whether you actually *like* i3, so don't get all fancy and difficult just yet.
3382 [17:23:35] <clueless> True
3383 [17:23:35] <mtn> clueless: replaced-url
3384 [17:23:47] <r00tobo> In general, you should use the repositories of your distribution.
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3386 [17:23:56] <mtn> clueless: looks like you need to read that ;)
3387 [17:24:00] <r00tobo> as the docs of i3 saying
3388 [17:24:03] <clueless> Yes, will do
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3390 [17:24:33] <clueless> So is i3wm not in debian stable?
3391 [17:24:38] <greycat> ,v i3
3392 [17:24:39] <judd> Package: i3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2-2; wheezy-backports: 4.8-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.8-2; jessie-backports: 4.12-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.12-2; sid: 4.12-2
3393 [17:24:53] <greycat> stable has version 4.8 and a backport of version 4.12 if you feel you need that
3394 [17:25:17] <clueless> Awesome, I'll see what those include
3395 [17:25:24] <clueless> mtn: thanks for the link, reading
3396 [17:25:30] <mtn> clueless: :)
3397 [17:26:01] <_granra> I'm trying to get everything going to both tty0 and ttyS0 on a system setup using preseed config. I have 'd-i debian-installer/add-kernel-opts string console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8' in my preseed but all the kernel messages only go to ttyS0 but login prompt show up on both
3398 [17:26:03] <_granra> any ideas?
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3415 [17:31:53] <jelly> _granra: I'm not sure d-i userspace even supports spewing everything to two consoles
3416 [17:32:08] <jelly> oh, you're talking about the kernel messages
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3418 [17:32:29] <jelly> those should appear on both.
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3423 [17:33:31] <_granra> jelly: I found something about this: replaced-url
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3425 [17:33:47] <_granra> it says "Messages from the init system and the system logger will appear only on the first serial port"
3426 [17:33:58] <_granra> so I guess it is working as expected
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3429 [17:34:55] <merlin__> greycat, unfortuntely you lost all your chips on the status file being corrupt
3430 [17:35:36] <greycat> For which person? There was the first guy who probably have a damaged /usr/bin/dpkg-deb but then there was the second guy who had an EXPLICIT "dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status'" in his pastebin
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3436 [17:36:27] <clueless> greycat: After a bit of reading, sounds like the latest stable version of i3wm is 4.12. To install it, would I just type "apt-get install i3" as mentioned here: replaced-url
3437 [17:36:42] <beastwick> As a continuation of yesterday, if anyone wants to know, I successfully migrated my Debian VM to a RAW disk using solely Virtualbox. I created a vmdk of my physical drive, using solely gparted, I attached both drives, manually recreated the file system, copied over my data, and painlessly updated Grub. I have a bios boot partition, so it's working
3438 [17:36:42] <beastwick> with GPT. So, yes, it's possible.
3439 [17:36:50] <merlin__> first guy, dpkg-deb was corrupt
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3441 [17:37:07] <greycat> I figure the first guy's dpkg-deb was so damaged (or was for the wrong arch) that the kernel didn't even recognize it as an ELF executable, so it was being run as a shell script by the shell, but that's just another guess
3442 [17:37:22] <beastwick> I had to update fstab, Grub, and had an issue with Virtualbox giving me old data due to snapshots, but it works! :D
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3444 [17:37:31] <merlin__> I think you probably win some chips back for that analysis
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3447 [17:37:52] <greycat> clueless: If you're on stable, you will get version 4.8 unless you set yourself up to use jessie-backports and then explicitly request the version from jessie-backports.
3448 [17:37:53] <_granra> Has someone then experience with enabling systemd service in preseed config?
3449 [17:38:00] * merlin__ hands greycat a handful of poker chips with the debian logo emblazened on them
3450 [17:38:04] <greycat> clueless: DO NOT under ANY circumstances use a binary package from sid.
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3453 [17:38:26] <_granra> I tried systemd enable ... (I suspect that systemd is not running in late_command) and also manually symlink the service
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3455 [17:38:51] <jelly> _granra: and it's not enabled after first boot?
3456 [17:39:02] <_granra> jelly: nope
3457 [17:39:10] <clueless> Gotcha. Should I figure out how to set up jessie-backports or go with version 4.8?
3458 [17:39:17] <jelly> ,v i3wm
3459 [17:39:18] <judd> No package named 'i3wm' was found in amd64.
3460 [17:39:23] <jelly> ,v i3
3461 [17:39:25] <judd> Package: i3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2-2; wheezy-backports: 4.8-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.8-2; jessie-backports: 4.12-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.12-2; sid: 4.12-2
3462 [17:39:27] <greycat> I'd keep it simple at first. Just use the stable version until you know whether you actually like it.
3463 [17:39:32] <_granra> jelly: in-target ln -s /lib/systemd/system/serial-getty@.service /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/serial-getty@ttyS0.service
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3469 [17:40:13] <clueless> Sounds reasonable and wise, thanks for the help
3470 [17:40:21] <jelly> _granra: sorry, you lost me on both preseed and systemd accounts there :-)
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3473 [17:41:22] <_granra> ok
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3488 [17:47:07] <Tsutsukakushi> Get:1 replaced-url
3489 [17:47:08] <Tsutsukakushi> Err:1 replaced-url
3490 [17:47:08] <Tsutsukakushi> The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010
3491 [17:47:08] <Tsutsukakushi> Reading package lists... Done
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3494 [17:47:19] <missmbob> !debian-next
3495 [17:47:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
3496 [17:47:22] <missmbob> Tsutsukakushi: ^
3497 [17:47:35] <Tsutsukakushi> i received the keys from mit pgp server and piped to apt-add
3498 [17:47:38] <Tsutsukakushi> didn't work
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3502 [17:48:27] <Tsutsukakushi> apt-key add *
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3513 [17:50:35] <clueless> greycat: I installed i3 4.8. After reboot, I still get the command line login screen. Did I miss something?
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3515 [17:51:04] <greycat> Make sure xorg is installed, and run "startx" after you login.
3516 [17:51:42] <greycat> If you want a GUI login instead (I don't actually recommend that for a programmer), you can install one of the display managers, like lightdm.
3517 [17:51:43] <clueless> apt-get install xorg?
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3519 [17:52:13] <greycat> The console login has the profound advantage that you can actually control how it works.
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3522 [17:53:20] <clueless> I'll take your advice. Doesn't look like xorg is installed. Can I get it with apt-get install xorg?
3523 [17:53:27] <greycat> Should work.
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3528 [17:55:02] <clueless> Would there be a difference between i3 and i3-wm?
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3530 [17:55:15] <greycat> i3 is a meta-package that depends on i3-wm and other things
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3532 [17:55:37] <clueless> Looks like I got it up and working. Thanks greycat
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3593 [18:13:30] <activeand> i am trying to find a debian based CD live distro that is *currently* active and supported that is specially meant for children aged 4 to 8.
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3596 [18:14:51] <c-c> activeand: afaik plain debian is usable as live distro
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3598 [18:15:30] <c-c> activeand: not sure if debian jr project is
3599 [18:17:04] <activeand> i am looking for something like kimo or doudou. the problem with these 2 distros is that they have been abandoned by their devs.
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3633 [18:32:17] <activeand> i am trying to find a debian based CD live distro that is *currently* active and supported that is specially meant for children aged 4 to 8.
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3635 [18:32:20] <activeand> i am looking for something like kimo or doudou. the problem with these 2 distros is that they have been abandoned by their devs.
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3638 [18:33:51] <stoned> activeand, just install the packages on debian
3639 [18:33:59] <stoned> activeand, replaced-url
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3642 [18:34:16] <stoned> activeand, replaced-url
3643 [18:34:22] <stoned> activeand, browse around
3644 [18:34:41] <activeand> stoned, the computer has NO hard disk, that is why it MUST be a live CD distro
3645 [18:34:43] <stoned> activeand, I don't know about debian live and this.
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3647 [18:34:54] <stoned> And any debian 'based' distro wont' be supported here
3648 [18:34:59] <stoned> !debian based
3649 [18:34:59] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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3656 [18:36:18] <stoned> activeand, maybe you can spin a debian live with these packages you want
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3664 [18:36:52] <activeand> stoned, i am looking for a ready made distro
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3666 [18:37:05] <activeand> no spinning required
3667 [18:37:14] <activeand> no spinning wanted
3668 [18:37:54] <jhutchins> Mutually exclusive requirements are always fun.
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3672 [18:38:05] <stoned> replaced-url
3673 [18:38:10] <stoned> In case you don't find anything
3674 [18:38:14] <stoned> And you have to spin your own, start here
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3679 [18:40:16] <activeand> thanks
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3683 [18:41:26] <jhutchins> "I have a project, I want somebody else to have already done the work for me."
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3686 [18:41:40] <r3> Hi all! I've got a package being kept-back and I am not sure how to fix it. This is in debian wheezy after I accidently did a apt-get dist-upgrade. The package is ntp and I don't want the version availble from debian sources as it breaks (insert ntp techy stuff).
3687 [18:41:41] <stoned> *shrug*
3688 [18:41:50] <stoned> He'll figure it out, eventually. In time.
3689 [18:42:49] <r3> so I've tried 'sudo apt-get install ntp=1:4.3.58-1' which results in 'ntp : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.17) but 2.13-38+deb7u11 is to be installed' ... I've no idea how to fix this and would sure appreciate some help
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3695 [18:43:38] <SweetPear> Can you install debian on an USB?
3696 [18:43:52] <SweetPear> (Would that work properly?)
3697 [18:44:04] <th0r> SweetPear, it did for me
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3699 [18:44:22] <SweetPear> Good
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3701 [18:44:42] <stoned> SweetPear, yes
3702 [18:44:59] <SweetPear> Another question, can you boot from that USB while fast boot and secure boot are enabled?
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3704 [18:45:13] <stoned> SweetPear, my laptop hdd was broken, it took a few weeks to find a replacement, in the meantime, I just use one usb as debian installer, and 2nd usb as hdd
3705 [18:45:20] <stoned> 2 flash sticks are needed
3706 [18:45:24] <r3> looking in aptitude doesn't show libc6 available higher than 2.13 ... so 2.17 isn't available. I would even settle for ntp version 4.2.8 as that was working ok. 4.2.6.p5 which apt-get shows, I don't want.
3707 [18:45:26] <stoned> or 1 if you do a netboot/tftp stuff
3708 [18:45:35] <SweetPear> I'll use 2
3709 [18:45:49] <jelly> r3: which debian release do you have installed?
3710 [18:45:54] <r3> wheezy
3711 [18:46:03] <jelly> ,v ntp
3712 [18:46:05] <judd> Package: ntp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u7; jessie: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; sid: 1:4.2.8p8+dfsg-1; stretch: 1:4.2.8p8+dfsg-1
3713 [18:46:26] <SweetPear> I have a laptop with Windows 8 installated, fast boot and secure boot enabled, can you boot debian with those enabled?
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3715 [18:46:42] <missmbob> SweetPear: debian doesnt work with secure boot
3716 [18:46:44] <jelly> r3: if 4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u7 is not good enough for you you will have to build a custom backport.
3717 [18:46:51] <stoned> SweetPear, uhm. I run windows 10 on my laptop hdd, and usb drives are debian, when I need to boot debian. I can't remeber my secureboot config
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3722 [18:47:12] <r3> ok, jelly. thanks for the response. Looks like I am going to do a clean install of jessie now then.
3723 [18:47:13] <stoned> I think I turned off secureboot AND efi (went back to legacy)
3724 [18:47:24] <stoned> SweetPear, try and it find out :)
3725 [18:47:35] <jelly> r3: please note jessie has basically the same version.
3726 [18:47:41] <SweetPear> stoned, It's my school laptop, I don't want to screw it up :P
3727 [18:47:41] <hramrach> you cannot go back to legacy if windows use EFI
3728 [18:47:49] <stoned> SweetPear, then image it first
3729 [18:47:55] <stoned> SweetPear, have a spare hdd?
3730 [18:48:05] <stoned> SweetPear, image your entire laptop and dump it in a safe place
3731 [18:48:07] <hramrach> but you can turn off secure boot, with issues
3732 [18:48:12] <r3> jelly: I've a source for 4.3.93
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3734 [18:48:21] <r3> for jessie
3735 [18:48:23] <SweetPear> What kind of issues?
3736 [18:48:29] <SweetPear> I could image it, but that takes time :P
3737 [18:48:29] <jelly> source for jessie?
3738 [18:48:33] <jhutchins> SweetPear: secureboot was developed specifically to keep people from booting Linux.
3739 [18:48:36] <r3> (that I can add to my sources list and use that)
3740 [18:48:39] <stoned> SweetPear, time well spent.
3741 [18:48:46] <hramrach> and you cannot make an image of the hdd unless you take it out or turn of secure boot or find imaging software compatible with secureboot
3742 [18:48:50] <jelly> oh, you mean "someone's built a binary package and put it in a repo"
3743 [18:48:55] <stoned> SweetPear, peace of mind knowing you can restore your system anytime
3744 [18:48:57] <r3> the issue is more than libc6 somehow (or something else) got updated when I did a dist-upgrade
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3746 [18:49:07] <SweetPear> Hmmm
3747 [18:49:11] <jelly> ,v libc6
3748 [18:49:12] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.19-18+deb8u5; stretch: 2.23-4; sid: 2.23-5; experimental: 2.24-0experimental1
3749 [18:49:13] <r3> I had 4.2.8 (I think) running on wheezy just fine
3750 [18:49:18] <jhutchins> I would suspect that they've passworded the boot settings.
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3752 [18:49:31] <stoned> it's give to you by school?
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3754 [18:49:38] <stoned> Or is it you rown lapotp just for school work?
3755 [18:49:40] <SweetPear> What is secure boot actually used for
3756 [18:49:41] <hramrach> SweetPear: actually, you should be able to boot Ubuntu or Suse or Fedora just fine
3757 [18:49:49] <jhutchins> SweetPear: You could possibly install/run cygwin on it, or run virtualbox and debian as a guest.
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3760 [18:49:54] <stoned> SweetPear, making people's lives hell.
3761 [18:49:57] <hramrach> recent versions of those do support secureboot iirc
3762 [18:49:57] <jelly> r3: that would imply you mixed wheezy and (testing or unstable), in which case, yes, a reinstall would be strongly suggested
3763 [18:50:13] <jelly> (don't do that)
3764 [18:50:19] <SweetPear> Wait, Ubuntu does support secure boot?
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3766 [18:50:24] <r3> jelly: all I know is that I broke a (running, stable) by doing the dist-upgrade.
3767 [18:50:29] <jhutchins> hramrach: I believe they can be made to work with sb, but it takes a bit of effort.
3768 [18:50:32] <stoned> SweetPear, replaced-url
3769 [18:50:37] <r3> and I'm too much a novice to see or find out exactly what I foobared.
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3771 [18:50:52] <SweetPear> Why does Ubuntu have something debian doesn't :O
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3773 [18:50:54] <jelly> r3: well, wheezy hasn't been stable since 2015
3774 [18:50:59] <hramrach> I do not have a device with secureboot so I cannote tell
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3776 [18:51:06] <stoned> SweetPear, you mean signed keys for secureboot?
3777 [18:51:09] <jelly> it's oldstable :-)
3778 [18:51:12] <stoned> *shrug*
3779 [18:51:13] <r3> jelly: thanks again for the response... I appreciate it. and 2015 is the last time I fooled with this system
3780 [18:51:30] <jhutchins> SweetPear: Ubuntu is a different distribution with different resources and different priorities.
3781 [18:51:31] <r3> time to upgrade
3782 [18:51:37] <jelly> r3: which ntp feature is broken with 4.2.6p5?
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3784 [18:51:44] <SweetPear> stoned, probably
3785 [18:51:48] <r3> jelly: replaced-url
3786 [18:51:49] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3787 [18:51:53] <SweetPear> Hmmmmmm
3788 [18:51:55] <greycat> Huh, I keep thinking jessie's release was earlier than it was.
3789 [18:52:19] <stoned> SweetPear, replaced-url
3790 [18:52:36] <SweetPear> I don't get it, why did they create secure boot
3791 [18:52:39] <r3> jelly: not something a bunch of folks use, but I use it here for testing and ntp farm quite a bit
3792 [18:52:45] <stoned> SweetPear, and for debian: replaced-url
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3794 [18:53:00] <SweetPear> Secure Boot seems pontless to me
3795 [18:53:05] <SweetPear> point*
3796 [18:53:51] <SweetPear> "Secure Boot is a security standard developed by members of the PC industry to help make sure that your PC boots using only software that is trusted by the PC manufacturer.", So it's created to prevent me from booting something like debian?
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3798 [18:54:20] <jelly> r3: oh, so it's not a version issue but a debian build issue
3799 [18:54:22] <stoned> See, that's BS
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3801 [18:54:38] <stoned> "... trusted by the PC manufacturer."
3802 [18:54:44] <stoned> What about my trust? What about what I trust?
3803 [18:54:44] <jelly> and so old, 2012
3804 [18:54:54] <r3> jelly: I am sorry, but I don't understand that. I am a bit of a noob
3805 [18:54:57] <SweetPear> Microsoft just doesn't want people to use Linux probably
3806 [18:55:35] <greycat> r3: the bug you cited is an esoteric build environment issue, not a bug in the package once it has been built
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3808 [18:55:39] <r3> jelly: regardless, it doesn't help me out of where I have found myself now anyway, I can't see a way to fix what I've done.
3809 [18:56:33] <jelly> r3: what does "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg |tail -n 2" say on your system?
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3811 [18:56:51] <r3> greycat: thanks for that, but it still seems that I've got to get libc6 up over version 2.17 in order to install a newer package of ntp
3812 [18:57:00] <greycat> stoned: An educated independent consumer should never choose a machine with SecureBoot because it limits your options. But a corporate IT guy may choose it to continue enslavement of his users to his corporate standard environment.
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3814 [18:57:24] <r3> ii dpkg 1.16.18 amd64 Debian package management system
3815 [18:57:24] <r3> ii libc6:amd64 2.13-38+deb7u11 amd64 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries
3816 [18:57:31] <r3> oops, sorry, I meant to paste in #flood
3817 [18:57:41] <r3> bad r3, not used to that rule, sorry sorry sorry
3818 [18:57:44] <jelly> here is okay for two lines only.
3819 [18:57:49] <greycat> r3: newer than what? What version do you want, and why?
3820 [18:58:00] <jelly> noone reads #flood anyway, use replaced-url
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3822 [18:58:27] <r3> 'sudo apt-get install ntp=1:4.3.58-1' results in
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3824 [18:58:37] <jelly> r3: that won't work.
3825 [18:58:38] <r3> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
3826 [18:58:38] <r3> ntp : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.17) but 2.13-38+deb7u11 is to be installed
3827 [18:58:38] <r3> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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3829 [18:58:50] <greycat> There isn't an ntp 4.3.58 even in sid!
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3831 [18:58:55] <r3> I have a source for it
3832 [18:59:00] <stoned> what's on hold?
3833 [18:59:00] <r3> in my sources
3834 [18:59:02] <greycat> r3: THEN YOU ARE NOT USING DEBIAN ANY MORE
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3836 [18:59:06] <jelly> r3: if you want a differently built ntp for wheezy, build it yourself
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3838 [18:59:36] <r3> greycat: because the debian package breaks ntp for what I am using it for
3839 [18:59:43] <greycat> r3: STOP USING OUTSIDE PACKAGES
3840 [18:59:47] <stoned> remove the ntp package
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3842 [18:59:53] * jelly blinks
3843 [18:59:58] <r3> it's removed already
3844 [18:59:58] <greycat> r3: if you want software that is not packaged in Debian, compile it from source code.
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3846 [19:00:19] <RoyK> greycat: is it caps lock day? ;)
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3850 [19:00:37] <stoned> cat's having a grey day
3851 [19:00:38] <stoned> ;)
3852 [19:00:51] <greycat> RoyK: if [[ $(date +%A) = *y ]]; then ...
3853 [19:01:00] <r3> ok, well, I see that the only fix for this is to move to a different version of debian that HAS a newer package for ntp that won't break what I need it to do.
3854 [19:01:00] <SweetPear> So, if I disable secure boot, debian can boot properly right?
3855 [19:01:15] <stoned> SweetPear, yes
3856 [19:01:17] <greycat> r3: Not even UNSTABLE has such a high version of ntp.
3857 [19:01:27] <stoned> SweetPear, windows might not boot though
3858 [19:01:28] <jelly> r3: it's not the only fix. You can keep using wheezy, and do a package rebuild with desired functionality enabled.
3859 [19:01:30] <r3> or just 4.2.8 would be fine
3860 [19:01:30] <greycat> r3: you really just need to stop trying to depend on binary packages, and compile it.
3861 [19:01:34] <SweetPear> stoned, why not?
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3864 [19:01:54] <stoned> SweetPear, windows depends on secureboot to be enabled to boot the encrypted boot partition i think
3865 [19:02:03] <jelly> ,v pps-tools
3866 [19:02:04] <judd> Package: pps-tools on amd64 -- stretch: 0.20120406+g0deb9c7e-2; wheezy: 0.20120406+g0deb9c7e-2; sid: 0.20120406+g0deb9c7e-2; jessie: 0.20120406+g0deb9c7e-2
3867 [19:02:07] <SweetPear> stoned, I'm only going to boot a live usb, so I could just enable it after using linux
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3870 [19:02:33] <stoned> SweetPear, try it, you can't screw things up. Worst come to worst, you can just restore the efi settings back to what they were
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3873 [19:02:50] <RoyK> r3: why do you need a newer version of ntp?
3874 [19:02:52] <SweetPear> stoned, My laptop uses UEFI?
3875 [19:02:55] <jelly> r3: so install pps-tools, then go rebuild ntp as explained in the bugs report
3876 [19:02:57] <SweetPear> stoned, or is efi something different?
3877 [19:02:57] <stoned> Does it?
3878 [19:03:02] <r3> greycat: and right about there is where my know-how and the notes I've taken give out. I understand the words you are using, and I understand about not going behind the package-manager's back by using other versions, but I really don't know exactly how to undertake what you are suggesting.
3879 [19:03:03] <SweetPear> stoned, It does
3880 [19:03:07] <greycat> SweetPear: we don't know what your laptop does
3881 [19:03:14] <jelly> !package rebuild
3882 [19:03:15] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
3883 [19:03:17] <jelly> r3: ^^
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3885 [19:03:30] <jelly> dpkg, tell r3 about deb-src
3886 [19:03:34] <c-c> r3: you can make your package into a .deb rather easily.
3887 [19:03:37] <SweetPear> greycat: Wasn't supposed to be a question :P
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3891 [19:04:07] <jelly> RoyK: he already explained why, a build-time option is missing from debian's binary packages
3892 [19:04:26] <Nh3xus>
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3894 [19:04:45] <jelly> (see #691672)
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3898 [19:05:37] <r3> if I could just roll-back the dist-upgrade I would be really happy
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3900 [19:05:41] <c-c> r3: I hope you don't find my interruptions disrupting replaced-url
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3902 [19:06:32] <beastwick> r3: Doesn't solve your problem, but if you are using LVM look into snapshotting a file system before an upgrade. You can discard changes if it doesn't pan out.
3903 [19:06:45] <jelly> fuck does checkinstall have to do with a simple package rebuild
3904 [19:07:20] <stoned> here is palm. Here is face. Hello palm. Hello face. BAM!
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3907 [19:07:39] * r3 reads and re-reads and triple reads what dpkg said and can only make out about 33%
3908 [19:07:54] <beastwick> jelly I think he is suggesting to build the pkg from source and use checkinstall
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3910 [19:08:06] <greycat> r3: install the pps-tools thing and then do the steps necessary to rebuild the ntp package from source.
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3913 [19:09:38] <jelly> r3: what the bot said is a very terse recipe to get source and dependencies in a similar way debian gets them, then recompile ISC ntp source and create a binary .deb package out of the source, one which will hopefully have the feature you need
3914 [19:09:50] <r3> I see. using the steps outlined in that bug report? hrm. I can try, but I am still not sure what I am doing. I do appreciate the help, please don't get me wrong. Maybe I am just slow.
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3918 [19:10:10] <stoned> It can be a bit daunting
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3920 [19:10:17] <stoned> Just take your time and go slow.
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3922 [19:10:42] <jelly> the bug report suggests it's just needed to install pps-tools and then to the rebuild steps, to get the kernel pps discipline available
3923 [19:10:50] <r3> "build it with debuid" is where I see dragons
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3925 [19:11:22] <greycat> I'd go with what the bot said.
3926 [19:11:23] <jelly> r3: that's an equivalent of step 5) from above.
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3930 [19:12:37] <r3> thanks again, jelly, greycat, much appreciated. Let me try step 1 and see if anything catches on fire.
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3932 [19:13:35] <jelly> r3: remember to install pps-tools at any point before the actual build (in step 5)
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3941 [19:18:01] <r3> jelly: says it is already installed
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3943 [19:18:15] <jelly> good
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3956 [19:22:36] <r3> jelly: ok, it's crunching away on 'dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us'
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3968 [19:27:20] <r3> jelly: so this just fixes the bug reported, right? not the fact that the package was kept-back. Will there be future issues if I try to do a 'apt-get upgrade' right?
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3973 [19:28:08] <greycat> r3: Usually if you rebuild a package locally, you then *want* to hold it back so apt-get won't clobber it with an identically-versioned package from Debian.
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3976 [19:28:27] <greycat> In fact it's usually best to bump up your package's version string to avoid that....
3977 [19:28:28] <r3> greycat: that makes sense
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3986 [19:30:35] <r3> ok, well, 'dpkg -i...' looks like it worked and ntp is running, now to see if it is running properly
3987 [19:30:52] <greycat> You would probably have to restart ntpd.
3988 [19:31:03] <greycat> Unless dpkg did that for you... I have no idea whether it does.
3989 [19:31:05] <r3> it wasn't installed before
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3991 [19:31:13] <r3> dpkg started it
3992 [19:31:13] <dpkg> r3: I wish you would RTFM.
3993 [19:31:23] <r3> o.0
3994 [19:31:34] <greycat> The bot gets cranky when she hasn't had her oil changed.
3995 [19:32:52] <unkmar> I like having my taskbar, IE: lxpanel. However, I'm looking for a nice replacement. I have a few features in mind and wonder what might have them.
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3999 [19:33:38] <unkmar> I'd like the ability to reorder the listing of the running apps in the panel by dragging them around.
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4003 [19:35:33] <unkmar> I'd like the ability to hide particular running instances from the taskbar. Obviously, I'd need the ability to unhide it in someway.
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4006 [19:35:54] <unkmar> Any suggestions that have some of these features?
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4009 [19:37:29] <r3> jelly: I've got to wait to see if ntp does what it is supposed to do, I surely appreciate your help.
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4013 [19:38:09] <r3> greycat: thanks for the help! So how would I bump the package's version string to avoid it getting whacked by any future nimrodness from me?
4014 [19:38:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> unkmar, one can re-order tasks in lxpanel
4015 [19:38:41] <unkmar> CutMeOwnThroat: how?
4016 [19:38:46] <greycat> After the extraction/patching, before the build step, you go into the Debian changelog file and add a stanza that is formatted exactly like the ones below it....
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4018 [19:39:12] <greycat> Either by using the "dch" program (which you may have to install), or by reverse-engineering the exact date format etc.
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4020 [19:39:46] <r3> eep
4021 [19:39:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> just by dragging them around with the mouse?
4022 [19:40:00] <r3> maybe a sticky note on the front of the system telling me not to do that
4023 [19:40:10] <r3> could add it do the motd?
4024 [19:40:12] <r3> heh
4025 [19:40:22] <r3> these things are within the realm of what I know how to do.
4026 [19:40:24] <unkmar> CutMeOwnThroat: that doesn't work for the items in the window lists. At least not in the version I'm running.
4027 [19:40:24] <r3> :p
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4038 [19:42:50] <unkmar> For now, I'm using the nasty grouping system. Just discovered it in lxpanel, but have always hated it from my Windows XP days.
4039 [19:42:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> unkmar, seems to work fine on this debian-stable… although I think just now was the first time I did it
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4042 [19:44:22] <unkmar> CutMeOwnThroat: lxpanel -v Which version are you running?
4043 [19:44:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> the one from debian stable
4044 [19:45:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> and I had to check what it was with right-click->about --> LXPanel 0.7.2
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4046 [19:45:50] <doz> disk cant copy and play in computer but only used in dvd machine what tools should i use..............anyone who can help me
4047 [19:46:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> unkmar, you have to drag it onto another tab, not the space between tabs
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4050 [19:47:17] <unkmar> CutMeOwnThroat: I'm running 0.5.10. So I'm guessing that feature was added recently.
4051 [19:47:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions lxpanel
4052 [19:47:37] <judd> Package: lxpanel on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.10-1; jessie: 0.7.2-1; sid: 0.8.2-1; stretch: 0.8.2-1
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4054 [19:48:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> uh, wheezy? you never mentioned wheezy
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4056 [19:48:39] <unkmar> CutMeOwnThroat: I've learned to NOT mention my version. I get too much flack for it.
4057 [19:49:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> unlearn that
4058 [19:49:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> and yeah… time to upgrade
4059 [19:49:33] <greycat> There are lots of wheezy users.
4060 [19:49:40] <unkmar> ^^^ How can I unlearn what you just reinforced?
4061 [19:49:46] <johnkeates> greycat: is this you? replaced-url
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4063 [19:49:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> you also didn't mention that you're using lxpanel
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4066 [19:49:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> unkmar, the less information you give, the crappier the answers
4067 [19:50:13] <greycat> johnkeates: you have no proof! Nothing that would stand up in court!
4068 [19:50:15] <unkmar> I did mention lxpanel at the very start.
4069 [19:50:19] <johnkeates> haha :-)
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4071 [19:50:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh, right. I started with the next line in reading backlog
4072 [19:51:26] <greycat> Wheezy on a *desktop* is a bit unusual, but lots of people have wheezy servers. It's a sane choice
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4075 [19:52:35] <unkmar> I installed and have been running this system for about 3 years. Less than a month after I upgraded it, the next version of debian was released. (Bad timing for me.)
4076 [19:52:37] <r3> jelly, greycat: it is working and I am getting the correct signal into ntp. Thanks again for all the help, and I will wait and see if I run out of memory again with this version of ntp. (I was having some difficulties with the version that got installed yesterday) I think this version should work good. If not, well, I will just upgrade to jessie and go from there.
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4079 [19:52:55] <r3> cheers!
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4082 [19:54:08] <unkmar> Anyway, Thanks for the info that lxpanel NOW supports that feature for my future installs.
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4084 [19:54:50] <johnkeates> i had wheezy on a desktop.
4085 [19:54:53] <johnkeates> it was very normal.
4086 [19:55:04] <johnkeates> also had a lenny desktop, was normal too.
4087 [19:55:12] <johnkeates> and now a jessie desktop, much normal.
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4089 [19:55:32] <johnkeates> i also have a cat
4090 [19:56:06] <greycat> I bet the cat is tangential rather than normal to your desktop.
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4094 [19:57:50] <DeaDSouL_> hi, what's the differece between 'smb' and 'samba' ?
4095 [19:57:56] <johnkeates> smb is a protocol
4096 [19:58:00] <johnkeates> samba a software program
4097 [19:58:06] <greycat> Samba is the name of the package, and /etc/samba is the name of the directory where the config files live.
4098 [19:58:16] <johnkeates> samba is also a dance
4099 [19:58:18] <greycat> smbd is one of the program names, and smbd.conf is one of the config files.
4100 [19:58:56] <unkmar> A couple a's are in samba that are missing from smb.
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4103 [19:59:28] <johnkeates> smb is also small and medium businesses
4104 [19:59:32] <DeaDSouL_> I'm going very minimal.. should I install samba in order to have the smb protocol (as a server) ? or should I install 'samba'?
4105 [19:59:43] <johnkeates> samba = smb server
4106 [19:59:45] <johnkeates> so yes
4107 [19:59:45] <greycat> If you want to run samba, install samba.
4108 [19:59:47] <DeaDSouL_> johnkeates: that means I can go with smb only
4109 [19:59:53] <johnkeates> install samba
4110 [19:59:59] <johnkeates> it's called SMB Server
4111 [20:00:03] <johnkeates> in the debian dialog
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4117 [20:00:26] <DeaDSouL_> smb is the one servers 'cif' for windows ... right?
4118 [20:00:30] <johnkeates> no
4119 [20:00:40] <DeaDSouL_> johnkeates: samba?
4120 [20:00:44] <johnkeates> no
4121 [20:00:46] <greycat> Please read a Samba introductory document of some kind.
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4123 [20:01:07] <johnkeates> SMB1, SMB2, SMB3 are SMB protocol levels, CIFS is SMB1
4124 [20:01:11] <DeaDSouL_> greycat: can you guide me to the link please
4125 [20:01:24] <johnkeates> CIFS exists because Microsoft tried to force it to be an official international standard
4126 [20:01:27] <johnkeates> but they failed
4127 [20:01:31] <greycat> replaced-url
4128 [20:01:32] <johnkeates> because money can't buy reality
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4130 [20:01:59] <greycat> johnkeates: usually, it does.
4131 [20:02:03] <DeaDSouL_> johnkeates: All I need is sharing some dirs with smb/cifs for windows... which one should I go with
4132 [20:02:08] <johnkeates> install samba
4133 [20:02:14] <johnkeates> samba is what you need to share with windows
4134 [20:02:23] <johnkeates> greycat: you can't buy love
4135 [20:02:39] <DeaDSouL_> johnkeates: you can't buy health either
4136 [20:02:46] <johnkeates> but you can buy healthcare
4137 [20:02:54] <johnkeates> just like you can rent a hooker :p
4138 [20:03:07] <johnkeates> so while you can't buy reality
4139 [20:03:13] <johnkeates> you can buy a simulation
4140 [20:03:15] <johnkeates> or catalyst
4141 [20:03:21] <johnkeates> anyway, install samba
4142 [20:03:33] <johnkeates> edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and add whatever you want to share
4143 [20:03:43] <johnkeates> use smbpasswd to add samba users
4144 [20:03:44] <unkmar> Personal difference. I won't share to windows. I force windows systems to pull via scp or sftp connection. In fact, I've recently resorted to just using email or a thumbdrive. I don't trust Windows for anything.
4145 [20:03:59] <johnkeates> i trust windows to collect malware for me
4146 [20:04:37] <c-c> you can trust windows to collect your info for sale!
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4148 [20:04:47] <unkmar> I've even provided intranet for Windows to pull files via http. Like johnkeates, I trust windows to collect malware.
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4152 [20:05:55] <DeaDSouL_> unkmar: right, but some people here use windows not linux... I can't force them to use my linux that's why I need to have a protocol supported by the 3 famous OSes
4153 [20:06:00] <techie28> I have encrypted a pen drive using cryptsetup on debian.
4154 [20:06:11] <techie28> it wont open up on windows system now
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4156 [20:06:20] <greycat> Nobody here uses Windows. This is #debian!
4157 [20:06:31] <unkmar> DeaDSouL_: WinSCP comes to mind.
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4159 [20:06:52] <stoned> There is also sshfs
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4162 [20:06:55] * greycat re-reads the line a few times... Oh, you meant *there* not *here*.
4163 [20:07:14] <techie28> greycat: yes but you may need to use your flash device on windows or anyother platform
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4165 [20:07:33] <unkmar> I stopped using Windows a few months ago. This office doesn't have any to look out of. :P
4166 [20:07:40] <pneumatik> hey i'm on jessie and i still have xen problems
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4168 [20:07:51] <greycat> Anyway, install samba, read the basic docs, edit smb.conf, reload whatever. It's not that hard.
4169 [20:08:01] <pneumatik> libvirt tries to start the pciback module and not xen-pciback
4170 [20:08:03] <stoned> techie28, replaced-url
4171 [20:08:17] <unkmar> ^^^ He's right. A little effort, but one of the easier things I did in the past.
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4173 [20:08:44] <techie28> stoned: is it better then cryptsetup?
4174 [20:08:58] <missmbob> having some weird keyring issue with apt-get. debian-keyring is there...dont remember the last time i touched this box though. replaced-url
4175 [20:09:28] <RoyK> pneumatik: just curious - why do you use xen instead of kvm?
4176 [20:09:57] <pneumatik> RoyK: it's a server and xen is easier to manage remotely
4177 [20:09:57] <techie28> I used LUKS while encrypting I wonder if that is preventing it to be opened on Windows?
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4179 [20:10:14] <pneumatik> (apparently)
4180 [20:10:27] <pneumatik> and also i can dedicate only 512MB of ram to the Dom0
4181 [20:10:35] <pneumatik> stuff like that
4182 [20:10:51] <RoyK> pneumatik: didn't know that ... most distros have moved to kvm and for my things, I can manage it remotely without issues (and kvm doesn't require dedication of memory or cpu)
4183 [20:11:06] <stoned> techie28, did you read the link I gave you
4184 [20:11:07] <DeaDSouL_> right guys, but I need cifs :D
4185 [20:11:23] <greycat> smbd - server to provide SMB/CIFS services to clients
4186 [20:11:26] <greycat> NEXT!
4187 [20:11:36] <missmbob> i'll be next :P
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4189 [20:11:44] <stoned> no soup for you!
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4191 [20:11:47] <stoned> NEXT!
4192 [20:11:59] <pneumatik> RoyK, i mean it's a server, not a client, on my arch box that i'm using now I run my Windows VM in KVM because it runs on top of my distro which is already doing stuff
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4194 [20:12:21] <RoyK> pneumatik: I'm using kvm with my servers ;)
4195 [20:12:43] <pneumatik> TIL
4196 [20:12:53] <pneumatik> i thought KVM on servers was unreliable or something
4197 [20:12:58] <techie28> stoned: yes I am reading
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4201 [20:15:03] <DeaDSouL_> thanks greycat
4202 [20:15:08] * merlin__ would like soup
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4206 [20:15:41] <greycat> $ apt-cache search --names-only soup | wc
4207 [20:15:41] <greycat> 23 202 1563
4208 [20:15:43] <sypher> pneumatik: In what way?
4209 [20:15:43] <unkmar> Okay, so... Is there a chance I can get the newer version of lxpanel into wheezy without sacrificing a live goat or something?
4210 [20:16:10] <greycat> ,v lxpanel
4211 [20:16:11] <judd> Package: lxpanel on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.10-1; jessie: 0.7.2-1; sid: 0.8.2-1; stretch: 0.8.2-1
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4213 [20:16:27] <greycat> Hmm. Not sure how to ask judd about backport-readiness into oldstable.
4214 [20:16:36] <RoyK> pneumatik: it's not
4215 [20:16:50] <techie28> stoned: I basically use debian but want an encrypted flash drive to be accesible on linux & windows or anywhere.
4216 [20:16:59] <pneumatik> that's just what i've heard
4217 [20:17:01] <techie28> seems like LibreCrypt is not available for Debian
4218 [20:17:13] <pneumatik> i'm really knew to this sort of thing
4219 [20:17:14] <RoyK> pneumatik: well, it's wrong
4220 [20:17:35] * unkmar awaits greycat's wisdom.
4221 [20:17:41] <RoyK> pneumatik: the enterprise stuff from redhat is built on kvm
4222 [20:17:43] <pneumatik> i bought one second hand poweredge on ebay to play with and i honestly have no idea what i'm doing
4223 [20:17:59] <RoyK> pneumatik: I've been using kvm on my server for 4+ years without issues
4224 [20:18:05] <pneumatik> hm
4225 [20:18:10] <pneumatik> i'll look into it
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4235 [20:22:03] <unkmar> greycat: Does this help me by saying NO? replaced-url
4236 [20:22:19] <unkmar> greycat: lxpanel, well, nothing LXDE based appears to be listed there.
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4240 [20:22:56] <unkmar> Eep, Just read the word kernel. I'll keep looking.
4241 [20:22:59] <greycat> unkmar: I have absolutely no idea why you are looking a a page with /kernel/ in the URL.
4242 [20:23:21] <greycat> !judd
4243 [20:23:21] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See replaced-url
4244 [20:23:43] <greycat> checkbackport source_packagename [ --fromrelease release ] [ --torelease release ] [ --arch architecture ] [ --verbose ]
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4246 [20:24:10] <greycat> judd checkbackport lxpanel --fromrelease jessie --torelease wheezy
4247 [20:24:12] <judd> Backporting package lxpanel in jessie→wheezy/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libmenu-cache-dev.
4248 [20:24:29] <greycat> Looks like it won't work in that way.
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4250 [20:25:32] <unkmar> Yeah, I noticed. I listed all packages and searched lxpanel. Got nothing. searched lxde and lxappearance was found.
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4252 [20:25:38] <unkmar> greycat: Thanks for checking.
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4256 [20:26:23] <greycat> I already knew there was not an EXISTING backport. What I didn't know how to check was whether you could MAKE ONE for wheezy. Needed to find that syntax synopsis.
4257 [20:26:55] <greycat> It sounds like you were wasting a lot of time looking for existing backports.
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4262 [20:28:13] <sypher> judd checkbackport libmenu-cache-dev --fromrelease jessie --torelease wheezy
4263 [20:28:14] <judd> Backporting package libmenu-cache-dev in jessie→wheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy.
4264 [20:28:33] <sypher> greycat: Might be doable?
4265 [20:28:38] <greycat> Oh, it doesn't recurse into the build-deps?
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4267 [20:28:57] <unkmar> Hmm.
4268 [20:29:07] <sypher> greycat: Don't think so.
4269 [20:29:36] <greycat> So it might work after all. You can try.
4270 [20:29:38] <greycat> !ssb
4271 [20:29:39] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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4274 [20:30:17] <greycat> Then again, you might also ask yourself why you are sticking with wheezy on a desktop.
4275 [20:30:19] <jelly> r3: glad to hear it worked out. You can "hold" the custom package to make apt not upgrade it if a bigger version appears.
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4277 [20:30:31] <jelly> dpkg, tell r3 about hold
4278 [20:30:50] <techie28> stoned: how is veracrypt?
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4282 [20:31:53] <jelly> greycat, r3: incidentally, the date format for debian/changelog is the same as for mail Date header... "date -R" (--rfc-2822) will do it
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4296 [20:41:14] <unkmar> greycat: because I don't wish to reinstall and be lost for months.
4297 [20:41:54] <greycat> Why would you reinstall?
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4301 [20:42:52] <unkmar> Because I absolutely will not EVER again attempt a distro-upgrade. My multiple previous attempts have all failed horribly.
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4304 [20:43:18] <jelly> debian's release upgrade process is quite good if you follow the procedure in release notes
4305 [20:43:30] <jhutchins> greycat: You may be pleased to know I figured out how to do something in bash without bugging you.
4306 [20:43:44] <jelly> unkmar: I've last reinstalled the machine I'm typing on in... 2001.
4307 [20:44:25] <greycat> A 15-year-old computer that still physically works is pretty impressive.
4308 [20:44:33] <jelly> this installation lived thru 5-6 hw upgrades
4309 [20:44:40] <jhutchins> Note that upgrades work a lot better if you go from oldstable to stable, not four releases ago to three.
4310 [20:44:41] <petn-randall> jelly: Pretty much the same here. Many installations just migrate on the disks to a newer machine, too :)
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4312 [20:44:42] <greycat> Especially since the machines from around year 2000 had all those bad capacitors.
4313 [20:44:44] <jelly> dunno how many software upgrades
4314 [20:44:46] <bizarrefish> My car's 16 years old. It still works :D
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4316 [20:45:02] <jelly> greycat: still the same broom
4317 [20:45:07] <bizarrefish> Also got a sunblade 1000 around here
4318 [20:45:11] <bizarrefish> Not that I use it
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4320 [20:45:47] <jhutchins> greycat: Ah yes, I too lost a board to the Chinese pirated capacitors.
4321 [20:46:20] <bizarrefish> I had a monitor which died because of bad caps
4322 [20:46:46] <bizarrefish> 0.60GBP to replace them; monitor still works today
4323 [20:46:50] <jhutchins> bizarrefish: My bike's an 85, my truck a 94.
4324 [20:46:52] <bizarrefish> (that was 10 years ago)
4325 [20:47:09] <bizarrefish> Damn I feel old
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4327 [20:47:10] <bizarrefish> :<
4328 [20:47:21] * bizarrefish is 24. That's 12 years older than 12
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4331 [20:48:15] <c-c> imo computers rarely go bad
4332 [20:48:27] <c-c> psu's often do, its the software that fails
4333 [20:48:34] <bizarrefish> c-c: Mostly HDDs die, mostly
4334 [20:48:46] <greycat> 1) disks, 2) power supplies, 3) motherboards
4335 [20:48:56] <greycat> HUGE gap between 1 and 2, but still.
4336 [20:49:02] <RoyK> greycat: put memory on 2.5
4337 [20:49:05] <jhutchins> 4)controllers
4338 [20:49:09] <bizarrefish> I wonder if floppy drives fail
4339 [20:49:15] <bizarrefish> Never seen one fail
4340 [20:49:29] <bizarrefish> memory fails?
4341 [20:49:31] <bizarrefish> O_o
4342 [20:49:33] <jhutchins> bizarrefish: They never get used these days.
4343 [20:49:35] <greycat> Maybe my experiences are atypical, but RAM failures have never been common for me.
4344 [20:49:37] <RoyK> luckily we don't have them anymore ;)
4345 [20:49:40] <bizarrefish> I've had a graphics card die for seemingly no reason
4346 [20:49:42] <jhutchins> I had a chip on a graphics card literally explode.
4347 [20:49:51] <bizarrefish> Triangles; triangles everywhere.
4348 [20:50:32] <bizarrefish> A couple of laptops where the GPU desoldered itself
4349 [20:50:43] <bizarrefish> 1 was an iBook G3
4350 [20:50:54] <RoyK> heh - broken fan?
4351 [20:50:55] <rattking> if you consider a zip disk a type of floppy then yes
4352 [20:50:59] <jhutchins> RAID controllers used to fail a LOT. Not backwards compatible then either.
4353 [20:51:14] <bizarrefish> RoyK: Nah, there wasn't a fan. Just inadequate solder.
4354 [20:51:20] <RoyK> jhutchins: good reason for not using hwraid ;)
4355 [20:51:22] <bizarrefish> Was a known problem for iBooks
4356 [20:51:32] <johnkeates> yeah, just like the 8600m now
4357 [20:51:37] <johnkeates> or now, 6 years ago
4358 [20:51:48] <pissfrog> lol @ iBook, who's got one
4359 [20:51:49] <pissfrog> ?
4360 [20:51:59] <johnkeates> many 8xxx mobile nv chips desoldered themselves
4361 [20:52:00] * bizarrefish wonders if there is meaning in NVIDIA model numbers
4362 [20:52:03] <pissfrog> that was my very first laptop
4363 [20:52:04] <johnkeates> there is not.
4364 [20:52:10] <johnkeates> it's al marketing wank
4365 [20:52:17] <johnkeates> i have a g3 iBook too
4366 [20:52:20] <johnkeates> and a g4 iBook
4367 [20:52:26] <bizarrefish> Is it supposed to confuse me into buying more graphics cards, perhaps?
4368 [20:52:27] <johnkeates> and g4 powerbook, now that i think of it
4369 [20:52:32] <RoyK> replaced-url
4370 [20:52:39] <pissfrog> the iBook g4 was a piece of crap
4371 [20:52:44] <pissfrog> so was the powerbook
4372 [20:52:45] <johnkeates> the white one
4373 [20:52:47] <pissfrog> yes
4374 [20:52:55] <bizarrefish> Perhaps 10% of people go back and buy a better card after they realise the larger number doesn't mean better....so 10% more profit.
4375 [20:52:57] <johnkeates> i had them both (still do) and they worked well
4376 [20:53:00] <pissfrog> i paid $2000CAD for a model with 256MB of ram
4377 [20:53:13] <johnkeates> i added ram myself
4378 [20:53:14] <jhutchins> We have strayed a bit off topic, perhaps we should take this tp -offtopic?
4379 [20:53:19] <pissfrog> i did so too
4380 [20:53:35] <bizarrefish> I installed debian on said iBook
4381 [20:53:36] <johnkeates> i started running debian when ppc support started getting somewhere
4382 [20:53:38] <pissfrog> that's how i started using linux, cause of apple discontinuing their OS for PPC macs
4383 [20:53:42] <johnkeates> yeah
4384 [20:53:49] <bizarrefish> heh
4385 [20:53:54] <johnkeates> linux on g4, and g5 tower, worked well
4386 [20:54:00] <bizarrefish> Needed the 512M of RAM tho
4387 [20:54:02] <pissfrog> but DEbian didn't work for me back then so i switched to Yellow Dog and then Fedora
4388 [20:54:10] <johnkeates> but now it's no longer economical with the power requirements
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4390 [20:54:49] <pissfrog> i recall buying a dreadful PS3 just to run linux
4391 [20:54:54] <pissfrog> on a power chip
4392 [20:55:02] <pissfrog> that was a poor decision
4393 [20:55:07] <johnkeates> it's somewhat sad that even as we can run debian etc. on those old PPC systems, they are simply no longer useful
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4395 [20:55:12] <pissfrog> i sold it shortly after and built a gaming rig
4396 [20:55:13] <johnkeates> well, maybe if power is free
4397 [20:55:19] <johnkeates> and if you have no heating
4398 [20:55:30] <bizarrefish> PS3 probably wasn't particularly fast for general purpose computing?
4399 [20:55:33] <johnkeates> the powerpc g5 tower is a 1000w electrical heater
4400 [20:55:42] <johnkeates> that happens to run debian
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4402 [20:55:49] <johnkeates> "i installed debian on my heater"
4403 [20:55:50] <johnkeates> the
4404 [20:55:53] <bizarrefish> Lol
4405 [20:56:01] <bizarrefish> Was gonna mention toaster
4406 [20:56:11] <bizarrefish> But remembered that's NetBSD
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4408 [20:56:34] <johnkeates> i think i got debian running on a settop box and a tv a while ago
4409 [20:56:56] <johnkeates> both no longer did video or anything like that (UART I/O only), but it ran. :p
4410 [20:57:03] <johnkeates> both ARM based tho, no PPC
4411 [20:57:25] <johnkeates> that said, even with all the debian platform support for non-x86 CPU's, are there any useful hardware combo's out there?
4412 [20:57:27] <c-c> Its funny how you could save money just by buying a low power 22 nm computer for your daily computer - from electricity
4413 [20:57:35] <pissfrog> nope
4414 [20:57:36] <johnkeates> yeah
4415 [20:57:39] <pissfrog> x86 is still king
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4418 [20:57:50] <johnkeates> it seems most are either underpowered or use too much electricity
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4421 [20:58:22] <johnkeates> almost all ARM, MIPS etc. are blown away with a basic x86 CPU that uses less than 10W as well
4422 [20:58:33] <pissfrog> i hope intel or AMD can take the arch in a direction where it can grow cause we have all this software and hardware that just works with x86 chips
4423 [20:58:55] <johnkeates> maybe with intel's FPGA addition?
4424 [20:59:02] <johnkeates> they bought the tech for a reason i suppose
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4426 [20:59:26] <pissfrog> don't get me wrong, i have nothing against ARM or CISC per se, but it's such a PITA to just install an OS or get vga to work
4427 [20:59:31] * c-c is inventing novel concepts such as "the daily computer"
4428 [20:59:48] <pissfrog> sorry, that's RISC
4429 [20:59:51] <pissfrog> not CISC
4430 [20:59:55] <pissfrog> CISC is intel/amd
4431 [21:00:01] <johnkeates> even CISC with the microcode isn't as CISC as it seems
4432 [21:00:11] <c-c> pissfrog: should have a project with the manufacturers to make debian installs easier?
4433 [21:00:37] <bizarrefish> Intel is expensive, ARM isn't. There are less architectural differences than before, and the power usage gap is somewhat closing.
4434 [21:00:40] <johnkeates> back when the PPC G4 was still fast and reasonably economical vs. the x86 of the time, linux on the beast was fun
4435 [21:00:49] <pissfrog> c-c, doesn't matter which linux it is, eventually the tech from one distro spills into others
4436 [21:00:57] <c-c> sure
4437 [21:00:58] <pissfrog> it's usually Red Hat, but that's fine
4438 [21:00:59] <johnkeates> OpenFirmware booted so fast
4439 [21:01:06] <bizarrefish> Servers are, I think, where ARM is going to kick Intel's ass
4440 [21:01:08] <c-c> pissfrog: but should have a project, then?
4441 [21:01:18] <pissfrog> totally
4442 [21:01:33] <bizarrefish> Ubuntu seems pretty influential in the Linuxshpere
4443 [21:01:33] <johnkeates> would make sense if high density servers go the ARM way, and low density high-powered go the PPC way
4444 [21:01:36] <bizarrefish> *sphere
4445 [21:01:38] <pissfrog> bizarrefish, those servers are meant for the likes of Amazon and other cloud providers
4446 [21:01:40] <pissfrog> we're small fish here
4447 [21:01:41] <bizarrefish> Systemd, etc..
4448 [21:01:45] <johnkeates> systemd is puke
4449 [21:01:58] <bizarrefish> systemd is ubiquitous, learn it.
4450 [21:02:03] <johnkeates> it's puke
4451 [21:02:09] <pissfrog> systemd is here to stay unfortunately
4452 [21:02:10] <bizarrefish> There are two kinds of software. Shit, and shittier.
4453 [21:02:16] <greycat> Let's not have another systemd-bashing session please.
4454 [21:02:19] <pissfrog> lol
4455 [21:02:20] <bizarrefish> The fact that it's not perfect isn't a valid criticism for software.
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4457 [21:02:40] * johnkeates bashes extra hard to compensate for the no-bashing-phase to come
4458 [21:02:47] <pissfrog> i can honestly say that my machines are loading faster with systemd
4459 [21:02:48] <c-c> pissfrog: so would you rather have ARM or RISC manufacturer support the easier debian wares to install project?
4460 [21:02:51] * bizarrefish helps johnkeates bash
4461 [21:03:05] <bizarrefish> BASH is a pile of crap, why does nobody complain about it.
4462 [21:03:13] <bizarrefish> BASH has got to be far nastier than systemd
4463 [21:03:14] <johnkeates> because it's not trying to eat user land
4464 [21:03:19] <bizarrefish> Shellshock, for example.
4465 [21:03:31] <johnkeates> it's not trying to tie the whole running of a system into a monolithic blob
4466 [21:03:33] <bizarrefish> I'm pretty sure BASH is commonplace.
4467 [21:03:34] <c-c> bash is pretty old school for sure
4468 [21:03:44] <pissfrog> c-c, i think what we need is a more mainstream set of manufacturers like AMD/Intel on the x86 side. Those manufacturers need to make RISC chips available in stores for us to build machines with
4469 [21:03:52] <johnkeates> nothing prevents you from using csh, sh, zsh
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4472 [21:03:57] <c-c> bash doesn't even attempt to have human interfaces, its just a bunch of things
4473 [21:04:05] <jelly> eh, I'm buying another arm to run debian on right now
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4476 [21:04:14] <bizarrefish> johnkeates: Monolithic at the moment, sure. Doesn't mean the design cannot be separated out as appropriate as we learn more about the problem.
4477 [21:04:16] <johnkeates> i have two arms, i use them a lot
4478 [21:04:20] <bizarrefish> Refactoring does happen...occasionally.
4479 [21:04:22] <bizarrefish> I've seen it.
4480 [21:04:48] <johnkeates> the problem is that once systemd started to try to do more than say, launchd does, it turned into kernel-for-userland
4481 [21:04:57] <jelly> was there a tech support question behind all this?
4482 [21:05:00] <johnkeates> yes
4483 [21:05:12] <johnkeates> how do i reboot my 8051 core in the intel pct
4484 [21:05:20] <johnkeates> pch*
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4486 [21:05:46] <bizarrefish> It's important that we try to understand why systemd's alternatives failed where systemd succeeded, rather than just bash systemd for not being composed of the correct number of executables.
4487 [21:05:57] <jelly> that's not exactly a debian question
4488 [21:05:59] <missmbob> and stay on topic please
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4490 [21:06:36] <bizarrefish> Besides, just because something is broken into separate userland servers, says really very little about coupling, which is the actually-important point.
4491 [21:06:47] <jelly> johnkeates, bizarrefish: drop the systemd thing mkay, noone's going to change their opinion or learn something new with this
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4494 [21:07:20] <pissfrog> i'm going for lunch, but when i return, i have a topic related issue. debian+vsftpd+chrooted apache subdirs
4495 [21:07:25] <pissfrog> don't go anywhere!
4496 [21:07:47] <jelly> quick, everyone hide
4497 [21:07:49] <pissfrog> that should put an end to this systemD nonsense :)
4498 [21:07:49] * johnkeates goes somewhere
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4500 [21:07:57] <jelly> /msg chanserv CLEAR #debian
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4503 [21:08:18] <c-c> pissfrog: I'm kinda disappointed I was hoping you had a manuf in mind
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4506 [21:09:44] <bizarrefish> jelly: It's an issue that affects debian, and I was attempting to generate intelligent, non-bashy discussion on it. If the channel is not adult enough for this, making it a banned topic for this reason sets a rather unfortunate precedent, and has a certain unpleasant outcome.
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4508 [21:10:32] <greycat> It's not a "banned topic". It's just that hearing the same complaints over and over, 10 or more times a month, is not productive.
4509 [21:10:46] <bizarrefish> Sure, if I was just suggesting it sucks, or it was awesome because, dropping it would be undoubtedly the most productive course
4510 [21:10:59] <greycat> This is not an audience with power to DO ANYTHING about your complaints.
4511 [21:11:12] <bizarrefish> I just asked a question, and nobody has answered it. I didn't mean to cause an argument
4512 [21:11:34] <bizarrefish> (specifically, about why it succeeded where other things failed)
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4514 [21:11:50] <greycat> !why systemd
4515 [21:11:50] <dpkg> a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at replaced-url
4516 [21:11:51] <jelly> metadiscussion has no place here, either, good intentions or not. Move it to #debian-offtopic
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4518 [21:11:56] <bizarrefish> Perhaps there is already a well-known answer to this, which I am simply not aware of.
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4520 [21:12:05] <greycat> replaced-url
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4525 [21:13:13] <jelly> dpkg, why systemd =~ s/ (in development) will allow/allows/
4526 [21:13:14] <dpkg> OK, jelly
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4531 [21:15:27] <jelly> dpkg, why systemd =~ s/will still be present in Debian 8/is still present in Debian 8/
4532 [21:15:27] <dpkg> jelly: OK
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4576 [21:37:09] <neo_> hi people, i am using icewm on debian stretch, my clock and applets are freezing time to time and i dont know to do ... i already reinstalled icewm with "> sudo apt install --reinstall icewm", but it doesnt solve the problem ... i dont know what triggered the problem, it just started to happen ...how can I look for the reasons of the problem ? to look for some solution ? thanks in advance.
4577 [21:37:32] <sypher> !debian-next
4578 [21:37:33] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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4591 [21:41:19] <lok> do you use any API?
4592 [21:41:32] <c-c> yes, I do
4593 [21:41:37] <lok> which one? c-c
4594 [21:41:47] <lok> i want to see how to use it & understand it?
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4596 [21:42:02] <c-c> lok and that relates to #debian how?
4597 [21:42:20] <lok> can i take you on PM?
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4599 [21:43:02] <c-c> lok you can talk about debian problems here
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4605 [21:45:27] <jelly> lok: your question is VERY vague and programming related. You'll want to be more specific to find better place to ask, or ask in a programming channel
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4607 [21:45:29] <c-c> lok: go to #programming
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4643 [21:58:45] <Battaglin|> how to enable directoy listing in apache2? on debian
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4645 [21:59:00] <Battaglin|> didnt that use to be default enabled?
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4647 [21:59:22] <johnkeates> enable indexes
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4650 [21:59:32] <johnkeates> default enabled is a security risk, so no
4651 [21:59:48] <Battaglin|> yeah.. in apache2.conf right?
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4654 [22:00:06] <greycat> Pssht, security.
4655 [22:00:07] <missmbob> in directory you want (probably /var/replaced-url
4656 [22:00:07] <johnkeates> within the directory or webroot specification
4657 [22:00:15] <missmbob> yes, apache2.conf
4658 [22:00:31] <johnkeates> or in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/<your site here>
4659 [22:00:43] <Battaglin|> I did.. dont seem to work
4660 [22:00:48] <johnkeates> restarted the server/
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4662 [22:00:53] <johnkeates> and checked the logs?
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4664 [22:01:06] <greycat> Putting "secrets" in files in your DocumentRoot and then relying on the user *not knowing the file name* to keep them "secret" is not security.
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4671 [22:01:55] <johnkeates> showing everything isn't security either
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4674 [22:02:13] <Battaglin|> hehe
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4676 [22:02:20] <Battaglin|> cant see the security risk thogh
4677 [22:02:28] <Battaglin|> but hey.. sharing is caring
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4680 [22:03:01] <`Kevin> Battaglin|: deployments gone wrong where an index file is missing might be one example
4681 [22:03:19] <Battaglin|> ofc
4682 [22:03:22] <`Kevin> but again such things shouldnt be in a documentroot
4683 [22:03:59] <Battaglin|> in <Directory />
4684 [22:04:09] <Battaglin|> Options Indexes FOllowSymLinks
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4689 [22:04:26] <Battaglin|> AllowOveride None
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4692 [22:04:52] <missmbob> Battaglin|: check your spellings
4693 [22:05:08] <missmbob> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None
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4695 [22:05:53] <johnkeates> do a check too: apache2ctl -t
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4702 [22:06:54] <Battaglin|> replaced-url
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4705 [22:08:01] <johnkeates> maybe it's the -/+ format
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4707 [22:08:15] <johnkeates> try: +Indexes
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4713 [22:08:58] <johnkeates> replaced-url
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4715 [22:09:05] <Battaglin|> nahh thats ubuntu
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4717 [22:09:10] <`Kevin> ..
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4720 [22:10:14] <greycat> Debian is well-known for changing the defaults of Apache httpd.
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4723 [22:10:28] <greycat> The Apache channel utterly hates questions from Debian users, I hear, for this reason.
4724 [22:10:53] <johnkeates> replaced-url
4725 [22:10:54] <johnkeates> again
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4727 [22:12:18] <Nh3xus> completely honest question here : the CentOS folks do those changes too ?
4728 [22:12:22] <Battaglin|> +Indexes fails.. apache2 wont start
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4730 [22:12:33] <Battaglin|> :-(
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4733 [22:12:40] <johnkeates> switch to nginx :p
4734 [22:12:58] <meowshwitz> Battaglin|: "unknown command or module"?
4735 [22:13:13] <pissfrog> Nh3xus, what changes?
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4737 [22:13:22] <`Kevin> nothing wrong with apache, not sure why people push for nginx :P
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4739 [22:13:36] <pissfrog> apache rulz
4740 [22:13:51] <Battaglin|> apache2.serviceJob for apache2.service failed. See 'systemctl status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn'
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4742 [22:13:53] <Nh3xus> pissfrog, default config of Apache
4743 [22:13:54] <pissfrog> i have had zero issues with it, except for when i was noob and didn't know squat about it
4744 [22:13:59] <Battaglin|> thats when +Indexes is on
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4748 [22:14:07] <johnkeates> i like lua scripting in side nginx
4749 [22:14:20] <pissfrog> Nh3xus, apache comes pretty standard on EL/CentOS Linux
4750 [22:14:26] <pissfrog> i'm using CentOS in production
4751 [22:14:38] <Battaglin|> no.. issues is.. I have another setup on a dedi..where it works.. I just spent lots of time comparing now...
4752 [22:14:42] <johnkeates> i don't use apache anymore as I can push more requests with nginx
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4755 [22:14:51] <pissfrog> the daemon is called httpd, the user and group is apache:apache
4756 [22:15:03] <pissfrog> none of this ww-data biz ;)
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4759 [22:15:12] <Battaglin|> haha that nick pissfrog
4760 [22:15:15] <johnkeates> lighttpd is kind of a weird one, it doesn't offer what apache does but doesn't perform like nginx, so why do people use it
4761 [22:15:17] <pr0tocol> Hello, all
4762 [22:15:26] <meowshwitz> johnkeates: le hipsters
4763 [22:15:37] <`Kevin> apache doesn't perform any worse than nginx if you know what you are doing
4764 [22:15:40] <pissfrog> johnkeates, isn't it suited for embedded deployments?
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4766 [22:15:41] <johnkeates> why would they want lighttpd :p
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4768 [22:15:48] <johnkeates> well, true
4769 [22:15:50] <greycat> lighttpd is very very old. I think some may have tried it as an apache alternative many years back and never switched away.
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4772 [22:16:11] <pr0tocol> question, for you fine folks here: i'm unable to install libvirt-bin in debian testing. does it have another installation candidate?
4773 [22:16:12] <johnkeates> the bsd httpd seems fun
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4775 [22:16:24] <missmbob> !debian-next
4776 [22:16:25] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
4777 [22:16:31] <pissfrog> i was in an interview once and didn't know the answer to the question: "what modes does apache run as" or something like that
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4779 [22:16:44] <pissfrog> which was pre-forked and i forget the other mode
4780 [22:16:45] <johnkeates> forked, threaded, worker
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4783 [22:16:58] <pissfrog> see, i'm still a noob
4784 [22:17:25] <johnkeates> apache is by no means bad, but i'm not really using it as it's design suits nothing i'm doing anymore
4785 [22:17:50] <johnkeates> all my fronts are haproxy, all application servers have their specific things, and varnish is a static cache in between
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4789 [22:18:47] <pr0tocol> anyone willing to venture a guess?
4790 [22:18:59] <missmbob> pr0tocol: i told you where to go
4791 [22:19:20] <johnkeates> pr0tocol: it works fine here, it must be your setup
4792 [22:19:24] <johnkeates> check delian-next
4793 [22:19:27] <pr0tocol> missmbob: ah, okay. i wasn't aware that it was meant for me
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4795 [22:20:04] <pr0tocol> missmbob: cheers for that
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4806 [22:27:28] <Battaglin|> darn it.. find this very strange
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4808 [22:28:09] <pissfrog> ok, so i'm back from lunch, who wants to take a shot at my vsftpd on debian 8.5?
4809 [22:28:12] <pissfrog> :)
4810 [22:28:47] * Battaglin| pulls out the luger
4811 [22:28:49] <Battaglin|> :D
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4816 [22:29:37] <pissfrog> that sounds extreme
4817 [22:30:41] <greycat> !ftpmustdie
4818 [22:30:41] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE! replaced-url
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4821 [22:30:54] <missmbob> i wonder if he'll actually say what the question is
4822 [22:31:14] <pissfrog> the only way i can log in is if set pam_service_name to ftp and instead of logging me into the custom chroot in /var/replaced-url
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4824 [22:31:36] <pissfrog> i'm already jumping to the issue, sorry
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4826 [22:32:05] <missmbob> pissfrog: fyi there is a ##vsftpd
4827 [22:32:11] <pissfrog> it's dead
4828 [22:32:20] <pissfrog> it's one of those dead channels
4829 [22:32:33] <pissfrog> i've been in there for over 2 days now, nobody has responded
4830 [22:32:44] <pissfrog> screw it, i'll try another avenue
4831 [22:32:48] <greycat> Maybe FTP died.
4832 [22:32:53] <pissfrog> i sure hope so
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4836 [22:33:33] <pissfrog> what's another way to allow access to /var/replaced-url
4837 [22:33:49] <pissfrog> keep in mind that this is not a production machine
4838 [22:33:50] <greycat> sftp/scp/ssh
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4843 [22:34:29] <pissfrog> in that case they need to be added to the ww-data group in order to write to /var/replaced-url
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4845 [22:34:47] <greycat> they would need that in any case, yes?
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4848 [22:35:17] <pissfrog> not with vsftpd, but that's already a failed procedure
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4850 [22:35:40] <Battaglin|> figured it out lol
4851 [22:35:44] <greycat> I do not understand why you think that using an ftpd would ocnfer additional privileges onto the users.
4852 [22:35:50] <Battaglin|> wont tell it though :D
4853 [22:36:10] <pissfrog> you can have sub directories of /var/replaced-url
4854 [22:36:45] <greycat> That doesn't change the fact that you need write permissions to write.
4855 [22:37:14] <unborn> pissfrog: I suggest you to use ssh (sftp).. if your vsfpd fialed you.. or if you need to use ftp - proftpd will work..
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4857 [22:37:25] <pissfrog> ef it, i'm gonna go in via sftp/ssh
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4861 [22:37:53] <Battaglin|> sftp rocks.. I jsut cant lock users to home dir
4862 [22:37:57] <unborn> htaccess have nothing to do with ftp.. its like you saying pork meat can be mixed with beef - two different things together heh
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4865 [22:38:03] <f-a> anyone experiencing firefox not being able to reproduce videos lately? I'd file a report but I cannot reproduce precisely
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4869 [22:39:05] <fernie> webdav, apache mod_dav
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4872 [22:39:44] <pissfrog> fernie ill look into webdav
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4875 [22:40:20] <unborn> amateurs always get me in this things.. when asked pros - they never listen, how funny is that :)
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4878 [22:41:08] <pissfrog> unborn, firefox works fine, especially after you install nvidia proprietary driver and rid of noveau
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4880 [22:41:36] <pissfrog> noveau can only do 720p in HTML5 videos
4881 [22:41:48] <unborn> pissfrog: sure.. I am talking about ssh and ftp and somehow that was mixed with htaccess..
4882 [22:42:05] <pissfrog> sorry
4883 [22:42:07] <pissfrog> my bad
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4885 [22:42:15] <jelly> pissfrog: I watch 1080p in chrome with nouveau, what does firefox do wrong?
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4887 [22:42:26] <unborn> pissfrog: firefox works on my hardware perhaps I am sorry that you run nvidia or something else... im intel here :)
4888 [22:42:29] <pissfrog> who was asking about Firefox not working?
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4890 [22:43:13] <pissfrog> i should stick to my own issues
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4892 [22:43:34] <unborn> pissfrog: ..yeah you should already do so..
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4894 [22:43:36] <unborn> :)
4895 [22:43:52] <pissfrog> btw, you can mix beef with pork, it's delicious
4896 [22:43:53] <pissfrog> anyhow
4897 [22:43:58] <pissfrog> so htaccess
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4899 [22:44:05] <unborn> what about it?
4900 [22:44:22] <pissfrog> that was one of the components i was using to allow users access to custom sub directories of var/replaced-url
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4902 [22:44:42] <pissfrog> i pretty much followed an online guide which i shouldn't had
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4907 [22:45:23] <unborn> pissfrog: you mean for serving sites or files or pages via apache right? what on earth that would have to do with ftpd?
4908 [22:45:26] <unborn> i mean ftp
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4911 [22:45:47] <roger`> hi, i'm looking for a way to connect to multiple wifi networks from the command line
4912 [22:46:01] <roger`> like, keep wlan0 on my a certain network
4913 [22:46:12] <roger`> and use wlan1 to connect to whatever other network
4914 [22:46:15] <pissfrog> maybe i should start from the top: how do you allow web devs to write directly to var/replaced-url
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4916 [22:46:31] <pissfrog> but you do not want those devs to step outside of var/replaced-url
4917 [22:46:39] <pissfrog> or whatever your subdir is
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4920 [22:47:05] <missmbob> git
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4922 [22:47:14] <`Kevin> got
4923 [22:47:23] <pissfrog> for static sites that only involve html/js, they can simply test those in browsers on their own windows machines
4924 [22:47:35] <unborn> pissfrog: its easy.. do you have any idea how server and networking things work together? plus other stuff like linux permissions - in server environment... aka groups and owners...???
4925 [22:47:37] <pissfrog> no need to server side
4926 [22:47:47] <pissfrog> unborn, yes
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4928 [22:48:26] <pissfrog> up until now i've allowed one of them to be part of the apache group so he can write files to var/replaced-url
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4930 [22:48:36] <unborn> pissfrog: i doubt it.. otherwise you would not asked that question.. sure.. so you said you do - use virtual environment with proper permissions.. its easy.. you know.
4931 [22:49:07] <missmbob> `Kevin: no one listens :/ *walks away*
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4933 [22:49:17] <croddy> usually it's a bad idea for the user running the web server process to have write access to the content directory
4934 [22:49:25] <unborn> pissfrog: perhaps you let users have its own space from their /home.. just apache settings.. you know that as well right?
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4936 [22:49:46] <pissfrog> unborn, sorry, i'm not following
4937 [22:49:59] <pissfrog> croddy, i know, i've inherited it that way
4938 [22:50:01] <teraflops> ~/
4939 [22:50:01] <apt> / is probably home, sweet home
4940 [22:50:13] <pissfrog> but i'm not letting them get away with it anymore
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4942 [22:50:33] <pissfrog> right now they're uploading to their home dirs, and i rsync the files
4943 [22:50:39] <`Kevin> missmbob: :)
4944 [22:51:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> roger`, the interfaces can be configured in /etc/network/interfaces . Might be most useful to only configure wlan0 there and have network manager in a user session do the variable one if that has to be switched/decided on manually. there's "man interfaces" to document it… what can make it a little complicated to read the docu is, that some things from other packages can be configured there as well when those packages are installed (direction
4945 [22:51:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> s for dhcp)
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4948 [22:52:21] <unborn> pissfrog: somehow I knew it.. no worries.. you cannot explain something you do not understand, when you asked and said you do understand and know - I spoke to you as you really do.. you cannot follow as it is something you have no idea what I am on about so - please stop wasting time here..you know what I mean.. if you have no issues with debian, then have some beer and youtube or whatever nova days kids use..
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4951 [22:53:53] <unborn> ...in short get lost with your rubbish
4952 [22:53:54] <pissfrog> unborn, this discussion started as a joke before i went to lunch when a bunch of people started bashing systemd and somebody asked if any of us had something related to debian to talk about. i cannot say i'm having issues with Debian, even though i'm using it extensively for the first time
4953 [22:54:27] <pissfrog> it just happens that i tried the setup on Debian
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4955 [22:54:37] <pissfrog> i'm not even gonna continue with it
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4960 [22:55:42] <pissfrog> i did not complain about Debian for one second
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4963 [22:56:23] <pissfrog> in fact, i'm finding it pretty snappy running on MS Hyper-V which is quite amazing
4964 [22:56:38] * `Kevin walks away
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4967 [22:56:48] <jelly> unborn: please don't tell people to "get lost"
4968 [22:57:04] <roger`> much thanks
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4970 [22:57:09] <pissfrog> jelly, he's an expert and only experts are allowed to ask questions in the channel ;)
4971 [22:57:25] * unborn nods jelly
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4973 [22:58:09] <unborn> pissfrog: im hated here.. im not an expert at all.. im just human. have good day/night.
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4976 [22:58:43] <pissfrog> i almost forgot what about an awesome feature irc has, which is 'ignore'
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4978 [22:58:56] <unborn> yeah you right :)
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4980 [23:00:02] <jelly> Wobni, Wobni_, Wobni__, Wobni___, w0bni: there's so many of you
4981 [23:00:16] <pissfrog> bots galore
4982 [23:01:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> maybe there's only one of him but you had a drink or two too many :P
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4989 [23:03:36] <jelly> sigh
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4999 [23:04:29] <jelly> lol
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5002 [23:04:51] * jelly shouldn't have bothered
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5007 [23:06:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> stop playing with the norwegian bots
5008 [23:07:38] <pissfrog> out of almost 1700 users in the channel, only less than 10 chat
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5011 [23:08:31] <jelly> pissfrog: it's not a chat channel, it's a support one
5012 [23:08:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> pissfrog, not sure I got your question, but anyone you want to can just own the files of a sub-tree in /var/replaced-url
5013 [23:08:33] <missmbob> pissfrog: see #debian-offtopic if you want to chat.
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5015 [23:09:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> wait, a discussion channel. chanserv wouldn't have lied to us on joining
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5019 [23:10:05] <jelly> huh
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5028 [23:14:59] <pissfrog> CutMeOwnThroat, i think i'll leave it as it is for now, i was trying to learn how to do this properly without affecting the permission in var/replaced-url
5029 [23:15:21] <pissfrog> i currently have 1 guy doing html from time to time
5030 [23:15:58] <uhoreg[m]> No operation is too small for git.
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5032 [23:16:27] <pissfrog> but i wouldn't mind learning it for the future when i might have a job that would require me to know this kind of stuff
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5034 [23:16:53] <missmbob> pissfrog: it couldn't be easier. replaced-url
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5036 [23:17:16] <`Kevin> pissfrog: its ideal to use git simply for the revision/commit history at your size
5037 [23:17:27] <missmbob> `Kevin: only took an hour :P
5038 [23:17:42] <`Kevin> missmbob: haha
5039 [23:18:00] <`Kevin> missmbob: indeed
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5045 [23:19:08] <roger`> CutMeOwnThroat: i make two wpa_supplicant.conf, wpa_supplicant_wlan0.conf and wpa_supplicant_wlan1.conf
5046 [23:19:13] <roger`> should be good
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5049 [23:19:48] <roger`> gui network managers give me cold sweats
5050 [23:20:20] <roger`> i appreciate the help
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5055 [23:21:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> I like network managers for (free-ish but passworded) wireless networks… writing an entry for each was bothersome
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5057 [23:24:02] <roger`> btw, i have not found a way to run redshift on my pi3
5058 [23:24:33] <roger`> i asked on #raspbian with no luck
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5061 [23:25:42] <roger`> i don't know why but networks managers always mess with me, tried wicd, tried network manager, not satifying
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5063 [23:26:01] <Reventlov> why do you need a networkmanager ?
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5065 [23:26:13] <Reventlov> dhcpcd + wpa_supplicant is enough for 95% of the persons
5066 [23:26:26] <unborn> :)
5067 [23:26:30] <unborn> good night.
5068 [23:27:13] <roger`> good night
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5070 [23:27:22] <roger`> Reventlov: yes
5071 [23:28:02] <`Kevin> etc/network/interfaces is easier than networkmanager imo
5072 [23:28:25] <roger`> yes it seems much more straightforward to make work
5073 [23:28:33] <roger`> and reliable
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5076 [23:29:22] <roger`> i'm gonna need to be 100% sure that machine keeps the link on, because i'm gonna run it far away from home and access only from ssh
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5101 [23:41:49] <edju> Problems with printing. Tried hplip 3.14.6 from the repositories but it was a nogo. Should hplip from Jessie Backports - 3.16.5 - work? hp-check says Jessie 8.5 is not supported.
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5112 [23:47:56] <roger`> i'm wondering how i pick witch interface is the default used to access the web if i have 3 different interfaces all connected to a different network
5113 [23:48:19] * roger` have a lot to learn about networking
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5117 [23:49:40] <fernie> well, if its a simple setup where only one default route needed, no problem
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5120 [23:50:46] <roger`> lets say i want to ssh from wlan0 or eth0, and use wlan1 to access the web as an example
5121 [23:51:48] <roger`> and share network ressources from wlan1 through openvpn
5122 [23:52:39] <roger`> but openvpn would be connected through wlan0
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5132 [23:56:53] <capsloth> is debian stretch still going to ship with linux 4.10 non LTS?
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5139 [23:58:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> roger`, you have to decide with your routing table which addresses/networks you access via which interface… this isn't by port, but by IP-ranges
5140 [23:59:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, stretch
5141 [23:59:31] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
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