• 0[00:00:06] <leba2> Is it really that a debian jessie minimal installation has by default disabled access to root user via ssh? Because I always get "access denied" for root, but not for normal users...
• 1[00:00:26] <babilen> leba2: Yes, that is the case.
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• 3[00:00:40] <babilen> leba2: See /etc/ssh/sshd_config
• 4[00:00:40] <leba2> Oooohhhhh
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• 6[00:01:24] <pingfloyd> gebruiker: : I assume you have non-free added to your sources.list
• 7[00:01:47] <babilen> gebruiker: replaced-url
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• 13[00:03:03] <pingfloyd> would be nice if they waited just a bit longer
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• 17[00:03:27] <babilen> Why?
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• 19[00:04:26] <pingfloyd> I think radeon and amdgpu still aren't quite there as a complete replacement
• 20[00:04:58] <babilen> replaced-url
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• 22[00:05:05] <pingfloyd> they've come a long way in the last few years, but there are still cases where they're not quite up to par
• 23[00:05:07] <babilen> So old news
• 24[00:05:09] <gebruiker> babilen, well lets see how well amdgpu performs
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• 28[00:05:30] <pingfloyd> I wouldn't put much stock on ubuntu's decisions
• 29[00:05:39] <babilen> pingfloyd: It's still available in the current stable release
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• 31[00:06:22] <babilen> pingfloyd: Well, that article details some background to the reason for why the driver was removed. I'm sure you can easily find more. Thought that it might be of interest to at least gebruiker
• 32[00:06:22] <pingfloyd> babilen: I know, but the will it be where it needs to be by next stable? That seems a bit optimistic to me.
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• 35[00:06:45] <gebruiker> babilen, are you running xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu ? how does it compare to the proprietary driver?
• 36[00:06:51] <babilen> fglrx didn't support the current Xorg version, didn't it?
• 37[00:07:03] <babilen> I haven't touched AMD in years
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• 44[00:08:11] <pingfloyd> fglrx has its share of problems, but the oss drivers don't still quite perform as well. It's not really much consequence to me since I don't play demanding games though.
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• 49[00:09:32] <babilen> The areas where I need GPUs are when I'm running some machine learning code and I really don't care about games at all. My impression was that the driver didn't really support the Xorg version and was removed as it sort of reached end of life
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• 52[00:10:05] <babilen> Well ... I still use Intel GPUs
• 53[00:10:20] <Kylie13> Hello. :) I'm looking for someone that can upload the untouched Debian 8.5 wallpapers straight from the OS. :)
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• 55[00:10:36] <babilen> Kylie13: Can't you grab them yourself?
• 56[00:10:50] <Kylie13> babilen: I'm not at the Debian box. :)
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• 62[00:11:45] <leba2> I was told before that, unlike other distros, Debian gets all needed software with just the default 3 repos in sources.list. But then, what are these repos for? replaced-url
• 63[00:11:45] <n-iCe> is the disc iso #1 the gnome one?
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• 65[00:12:00] <babilen> Kylie13: replaced-url
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• 68[00:12:32] <Kylie13> babilen: What do I do with those links?
• 69[00:12:37] <babilen> n-iCe: Which disk are you referring to exactly?
• 70[00:13:10] <babilen> Kylie13: You could download the package or grab the images from subversion. You can unpack the .deb with ar if you don't have dpkg around and then untar the files therein.
• 71[00:13:30] <gebruiker> Odd. replaced-url
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• 73[00:13:39] <Kylie13> babilen: Hm. Would be so much easier if someone on Debian could just help me.
• 74[00:13:47] <babilen> gebruiker: God, don't use that website!
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• 77[00:14:11] <babilen> gebruiker: It is more than broken and we tried multiple times to get the person who runs it to take it down, but to no avail
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• 80[00:14:37] <babilen> Kylie13: Why? You can just download the files yourself .. I mean, you would have to do that anyway
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• 82[00:14:50] <gebruiker> babilen, alternatives?
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• 84[00:14:58] <babilen> Kylie13: replaced-url
• 85[00:15:02] <babilen> gebruiker: What do you need?
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• 94[00:16:09] <gebruiker> babilen, going to dist upgrade to sid, but just found out all it needs is sid main contrib non-free
• 95[00:16:09] <doublehp> how do i change my timezone and kbd layout non interactively ?
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• 97[00:16:14] <Kylie13> babilen: Dang it. Of course they have to be .svg files.
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• 100[00:16:48] <n-iCe> babilen, debian-8.5.0-amd64-CD-1.iso
• 101[00:16:49] <babilen> gebruiker: You could use replaced-url
• 102[00:16:51] <nkuttler> doublehp: you should only need to set the timezone during install..
• 103[00:17:00] <leba2> babilen: the only root-related thing I see in sshd_config is "PermitRootLogin without-password". Neither this nor any other line implies to me that root login is not allowed...
• 104[00:17:04] <nkuttler> doublehp: as for the keymap, it depends on what you want i guess..
• 105[00:17:26] <doublehp> nkuttler: the point is to automate install
• 106[00:17:30] <babilen> n-iCe: Yes, that would install Gnome by default (and contains Gnome packages) but you can also use that installer for installer other desktop environments (for which it would then have to download packages)
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• 109[00:17:46] <nkuttler> !tell doublehp about preseeding
• 110[00:17:47] <babilen> leba2: How are you trying to log in?
• 111[00:18:02] <n-iCe> babilen, the question is, how can the gnome3 iso be smaller than the lxde or xfce iso?
• 112[00:18:07] <babilen> leba2: Sorry, I assumed that you referred to the inability to log in with a password
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• 115[00:18:32] <gebruiker> babilen, thanks!
• 116[00:18:59] <babilen> n-iCe: Does the Gnome ISO contain everything you need to install the entire Gnome desktop task? I haven't used a non netinstall images in ages and am not sure if it is "complete"
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• 119[00:19:19] <babilen> I should know that :)
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• 121[00:19:27] <n-iCe> babilen, not talking about net-install disks, talking about full installation disks, look replaced-url
• 122[00:19:33] <babilen> I kno
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• 126[00:19:46] <gebruiker> babilen, out of curiosity why do you chose to mix?
• 127[00:19:51] <Klaus_Dieter> leba2: n-iCe depending on what is on that iso it may have any size.
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• 129[00:20:04] <leba2> babilen: debian jessie 8.5 x64 minimal installation, just selected packages "ssh server" and "standard system utilities"; now I'm trying to log in this debian pc from another pc via ssh, by using "ssh root@(debian_pc's_ip)". When asked for the user's (root in this case) password, I always get "access denied".
• 130[00:20:10] <n-iCe> Klaus_Dieter, usually gnome is heavier than xfce or lxde, does not it?
• 131[00:20:11] <babilen> I am just saying that I have not used anything else but the network install or netinst images in many many years and am not entirely sure about the contents of CD1 / DVD1
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• 135[00:20:32] <babilen> leba2: Yes, it doesn't allow password based logins
• 136[00:20:33] <n-iCe> babilen, I see, can net-install support wifi as network these days?
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• 138[00:21:20] <leba2> babilen: what do you mean? Wouldn't that be even more unsecure? So when asked for root's password I'd just hit enter for empty password and I'd be in already?
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• 140[00:21:30] <babilen> leba2: "If this option is set to “prohibit-password” or “without-password”, password and keyboard-interactive authentication are disabled for root." (from sshd_config(5))
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• 143[00:21:45] <babilen> leba2: You would have to use keys
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• 145[00:21:55] <leba2> Aaahhhh.
• 146[00:21:55] <babilen> (for example)
• 147[00:22:03] <leba2> Thanks sir.
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• 149[00:22:09] <`Kevin> n-iCe: yes
• 150[00:22:41] <babilen> leba2: The basic idea is that it is not a good idea to allow password based logins as the "background noise" of the internet is constantly attacking
• 151[00:22:54] <babilen> n-iCe: I tend to use the netinstall with firmware
• 152[00:22:57] <leba2> Aaaaaahhhhhhhhh
• 153[00:22:58] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
• 154[00:22:59] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 157[00:24:20] <n-iCe> babilen, so, how can I know if I need a firmware?
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• 160[00:24:45] <babilen> n-iCe: You could check your hardware
• 161[00:24:58] <babilen> n-iCe: The output of "lspci -nn" would do nicely
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• 165[00:25:19] <n-iCe> bash: lspci: command not found
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• 167[00:25:29] <babilen> n-iCe: But that installer even works if you don't need firmware ;)
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• 171[00:25:53] <babilen> n-iCe: Did you install pciutils?
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• 173[00:26:17] <n-iCe> babilen, one more thing, does netinstall install the same as if I download the disc1 .iso ? or less stuff
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• 178[00:27:33] <babilen> The installer is exactly the same. The difference is that CD1/DVD1/.. contain a different (and larger) set of packages and some have different options set to begin with. The netinst installer will just have to download a bit more during the installation and installs Gnome by default *iff* you install the Desktop task.
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• 180[00:27:44] <babilen> You can use each installer to install whatever you like though ..
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• 182[00:28:21] <gebruiker> any good tool to burn iso to usb? ( linux install ) ?
• 183[00:28:22] <babilen> DVD and CD sets are primarily meant for people who want to perform offline installations
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• 186[00:28:31] <babilen> gebruiker: On which operating system?
• 187[00:28:59] <n-iCe> gebruiker, I like dd
• 188[00:29:08] <gebruiker> babilen, debian
• 189[00:29:09] <n-iCe> babilen, ok, thanks, think gonna try the netinstall
• 190[00:29:30] <missmbob_> gebruiker: which os are you using to create the usb is what he meant
• 191[00:29:40] <babilen> gebruiker: You could use "cp /path/to/image.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your usb stick)
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• 194[00:30:07] <`Kevin> n-iCe: CD/DVDs are typically somewhat dated package versions, the installer uses the CD/DVD dirs as a REPO versus.. netinstall uses the repos available online to download the packages from as you need
• 195[00:30:14] <gebruiker> missmbob_, mint iso on usb. using debian
• 196[00:30:18] <babilen> gebruiker: And yes, missmbob_ is right in that I mean the OS you use for creating/writing the image to your USB stick
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• 198[00:30:44] <missmbob_> gebruiker: then the cp thing babilen showed you was the best bet
• 199[00:30:50] <babilen> gebruiker: I am not familiar with the mint installer. You should ask them, but I would expect/hope that you can just copy it.
• 200[00:30:58] <babilen> dpkg: mint
• 201[00:30:58] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
• 202[00:31:01] <babilen> gebruiker: ^
• 203[00:31:19] <babilen> They might also have a channel on Freenode
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• 209[00:31:28] <gebruiker> ok
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• 216[00:32:58] <duckx0r> I have several KVM images running on my server and it seems that anyone with SSH access can execute `virt-viewer --connect qemu+ssh://hostname/system vmname` from their local computer and can gain access to the VMs. Is there a way to, say, only allow users in a specific group to have access to the VMs? I tried `chown root:kvm /usr/bin/vir* && chmod o-rx /usr/bin/vir*` but that didn't work.
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• 218[00:33:20] <doublehp> nkuttler: I think debconf-set-selections is enough, but, after using it, dpkg-reconfigure still asks me questions
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• 220[00:34:08] <babilen> duckx0r: Why didn't that work?
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• 224[00:35:11] <duckx0r> babilen, because I can still execute `virt-viewer --connect qemu+ssh://username@hostname/system vmname` where username is a user that is not in the kvm group
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• 227[00:37:25] <babilen> duckx0r: Are you sure? That user shouldn't be allowed to execute it
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• 230[00:38:12] <babilen> I'm not doubting you and I haven't looked into this further, but your commands should have removed the executable permission for all others (which would be the case for users that are not root nor in the kvm group)
• 231[00:38:30] <duckx0r> babilen, could it be that since it's over SSH that it's actually being executed as root?
• 232[00:38:30] <babilen> Shouldn't they? ACLs? stat output?
• 233[00:38:50] <babilen> You would be the user you are .. what does "id" give you?
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• 238[00:39:43] <duckx0r> babilen, uid=1004(mayan) gid=1006(mayan) groups=1006(mayan),1138(pootle)
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• 240[00:40:05] <babilen> Yeah, that user shouldn't be able to execute /usr/bin/virt-viewer
• 241[00:40:38] <duckx0r> babilen, virt-viewer is on the remote computer though
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• 244[00:41:18] <babilen> You changed the permissions there, didn't you?
• 245[00:41:20] <pingfloyd> duckx0r: ssh in as the user and type groups
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• 247[00:41:38] <babilen> pingfloyd: See "id" output earlier
• 248[00:42:18] <duckx0r> babilen, On the server I executed chown root:kvm /usr/bin/vir* && chmod o-rx /usr/bin/vir*
• 249[00:42:23] <pingfloyd> was that id output within the ssh session?
• 250[00:42:38] <babilen> pingfloyd: I would hope so, because that is what we are talking about
• 251[00:42:39] <duckx0r> pingfloyd, yes, that was the output of id over ssh
• 252[00:42:50] <babilen> But good question .
• 253[00:42:56] <babilen> Assumptions are evil ;)
• 254[00:43:01] <duckx0r> yep
• 255[00:43:04] <pingfloyd> indeed they are
• 256[00:43:12] <pingfloyd> they're the nemesis of troubleshooting
• 257[00:43:19] <gebruiker> assumptions are like my ex gf
• 258[00:43:37] <babilen> It's getting a bit late here now ... I think I'll let you guys figure this one out. Good luck and good night!
• 259[00:43:46] <duckx0r> thanks anyway babilen
• 260[00:43:51] <gebruiker> 'night
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• 269[00:55:06] <doublehp> replaced-url
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• 280[01:02:15] <themill> doublehp: dpkg-reconfigure works in the opposite direction; the settings for packages you have installed are NOT stored by debconf. debconf is not a registry
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• 282[01:02:58] <themill> debconf is also not a configuration management tool
• 283[01:03:06] <doublehp> themill: then what do i do after debconf-set-selections ?
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• 285[01:03:27] <themill> nothing, that's never going to work
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• 287[01:03:54] <themill> debconf will not overwrite configuration in files. (if it does, it's a severity:serious bug)
• 288[01:04:06] <doublehp> themill: preseed seems for complete install; i just want to automate a few packages
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• 290[01:04:26] <themill> preseed is *pre* -- it's before the installation
• 291[01:04:51] <themill> You can preseed only a few answers and do the rest manuall
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• 293[01:04:52] <themill> y
• 294[01:05:13] <doublehp> i want to automate "the rest"
• 295[01:05:44] <themill> so automate everything?
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• 297[01:06:05] <themill> That would be preseeding all the answers.
• 298[01:06:08] <doublehp> kbd layout, locales, language , tz
• 299[01:06:35] <themill> So preseed those 4 things
• 300[01:07:08] <themill> Or do it afterwards with a crappy little shell script that blats in your settings for those 4 things
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• 302[01:07:46] <doublehp> that's what I am failing on
• 303[01:08:01] <doublehp> and i don't understand preseed
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• 313[01:12:36] <nname31> hello how can enable h264 video for opera (twitter video)?
• 314[01:12:48] <pingfloyd> doublehp: the easiest way would be having your script rename the config files there and then install your custom ones
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• 316[01:13:49] <hassoon> ffs i just did sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list
• 317[01:13:51] <hassoon> what should i do
• 318[01:13:57] <hassoon> it happened by mistale
• 319[01:13:59] <doublehp> pingfloyd: which scripts ?
• 320[01:14:02] <hassoon> * mistake
• 321[01:14:07] <missmbob> !tell hassoon about sources.list
• 322[01:14:17] <doublehp> I don't understand how to load preseed script after boot, for further apt-get
• 323[01:14:34] <pingfloyd> doublehp: you don't need preseed after dist install and boot
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• 325[01:15:08] <doublehp> pingfloyd: i was told 10mn that debconf-set-selections can't do it; if preseed also can't, what can ???
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• 328[01:15:36] <pingfloyd> a simple shell script
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• 330[01:16:21] <doublehp> echo 'Europe/Paris' >/etc/timezone -- what's the equivalent for layout , locales, and language ?
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• 332[01:16:57] <missmbob> doublehp: why the hell are you doing this manually?
• 333[01:17:03] <missmbob> !locales
• 334[01:17:03] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. replaced-url
• 335[01:17:17] <missmbob> dpkg-reconfigure the bitch ^
• 336[01:17:54] <doublehp> missmbob: to automate some changes during install, and I Was said i can't do it with preseed of set-selections
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• 338[01:18:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1672
• 339[01:18:12] <missmbob> doublehp: ever thought cloning would be a better option?
• 340[01:18:14] <pingfloyd> and then if you if need to have this set on multiple systems, just cp /etc/default/locale
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• 342[01:18:41] <doublehp> missmbob: no; it's about 15y I know cloning is not a good solution
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• 345[01:20:41] <jim> missmbob: if it's a complete clone, it has config options copied from the original, some of which you might not want
• 346[01:20:56] <doublehp> I don't understand; I already have a pre-installation process that works; now, I have only _4_ packages I need to reconfigure by script, and you are telling me it's impossible ?
• 347[01:21:16] <missmbob> jim: clonezilla's server for deployment pretty much takes care of things
• 348[01:21:37] <Pr0metheus> i have restored an image to a disk using fsarchiver, i now want to install grub but when i run grub-install i get "is /dev mounted?". My partition /dev/sda1 is the root and contains a boot folder
• 349[01:21:54] <jim> missmbob, other things do too
• 350[01:22:11] <jim> like preseed
• 351[01:22:15] <missmbob> jim: i know. i'm not the one who stepped in with cloning not being able to handle it or whatever you were saying :P
• 352[01:22:30] <missmbob> jim: okay. tell him how to fix his preseed problem
• 353[01:22:30] <doublehp> jim I was told 5mn ago preseed cant' do it
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• 355[01:22:56] <jim> can't do which?
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• 357[01:23:22] <alphazulu> how to handle mounting smb shares on a laptop that's not always on the same network? if i put it in fstab then when i'm on a different network it messes everything up
• 358[01:23:34] <doublehp> automatically configure non interactively 4 packages after first boot: locales, langs, layout, tz
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• 361[01:24:13] <alphazulu> also a similar problem related to network interface. if i have it in /etc/network/interfaces and then i boot on another network it stalls because it can't find the ap
• 362[01:24:26] <doublehp> alphazulu: laptop tools can run scripts depending on SSID; as long as you don't have the same SSID at different places, it can do
• 363[01:24:52] <jim> doublehp, to take the tz as an example, it might not be able to tell which tz it's in, so would need "help"
• 364[01:25:25] <jim> locales similar, it's your preference
• 365[01:25:33] <doublehp> alphazulu: also, you could write a cron script that checks in iwconfig if you are connected to particular SSID, and do the mount if required
• 366[01:26:24] <alphazulu> doublehp: is there some gui app i can use (under KDE preferably) that will handle these things?
• 367[01:26:27] <doublehp> jim I always want Europe/Paris, French, en_GB.UTF8
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• 369[01:26:36] <themill> doublehp: preseeding is for setting the debconf options *before* the package is installed. You can preseed these values just fine, you just need to do so *before* the package is installed.
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• 371[01:26:55] <doublehp> alphazulu: i don't know
• 372[01:26:57] <themill> doublehp: You are currently trying to do it *after* the package is installed and that is what cannot ever work
• 373[01:27:02] <jim> doublehp, I think you could edit the preseed file with those
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• 375[01:27:22] <doublehp> themill: i want to change details after installation
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• 377[01:28:04] <themill> Then for those packages that are already installed, there is nothing pre about your preseeding of information and it will not work
• 378[01:28:27] <jim> (a) you can do that, (b) that's not preseed as it's after the install
• 379[01:28:34] <hassoon> meh this helped replaced-url
• 380[01:28:44] <themill> hassoon: no, please do not use that site
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• 383[01:28:55] <doublehp> => "echo 'Europe/Paris' >/etc/timezone" what's the equivalent for layout , locales, and language ?
• 384[01:29:14] <jim> themill, curious, why not?
• 385[01:29:16] <hassoon> themill: why wouldn't I, it's giving me true repository lines
• 386[01:29:21] <themill> !debgen
• 387[01:29:22] <dpkg> Websites that generate a <sources.list> for you (like replaced-url
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• 390[01:29:58] <hassoon> !dpkg jessie sources.list
• 391[01:29:59] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 393[01:30:20] <hassoon> themill: d'oh what's wit hthe *httpredir.*
• 394[01:30:23] <hassoon> * with the *
• 395[01:30:29] <leba2> Hello again. If I need a certain service to load before other, is it good idea to edit (daemon).service, and put After=(other_service).service? Or is it actually "hacky", "workaround-esque", "unorthodox"?
• 396[01:30:31] <jim> what defines "httpredir"?
• 397[01:30:41] <themill> 'defines'?
• 398[01:30:42] <hassoon> jim: yeah i mean how should i replace that
• 399[01:30:45] <hassoon> i'm a bit confused
• 400[01:30:50] <themill> why should you replace it with anythign?
• 401[01:30:51] <hassoon> i don't remember the exact format
• 402[01:31:02] <themill> the exact format is exactly what dpkg said...
• 403[01:31:10] <hassoon> themill: cause it should be something like fr. or de. or whatever no ?
• 404[01:31:14] <hassoon> themill: ah
• 405[01:31:14] <themill> no
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• 407[01:31:22] <hassoon> i thought that's a prototype
• 408[01:31:45] <jim> themill, well is it debian? or beyond? if former, which package? if latter, do you happen to know the details?
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• 410[01:32:18] <themill> jim: what?
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• 412[01:32:22] <doublehp> so, how do i reconfigure keyboard-configuration non interactively ?
• 413[01:33:04] <leba2> Hello again. If I need a certain service to load before other, is it good idea to edit (daemon).service, and put After=(other_service).service? Or is it actually "hacky", "workaround-esque", "unorthodox"?
• 414[01:33:40] <hassoon> themill: d'oh it's there already replaced-url
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• 416[01:33:56] <jim> hassoon, probably the biggest problem is getting a sources.list that mixes either dists or versions, specifically what happens is you "inherit" an additional dependency tree, and -that- leads to dependency hell, frankendebians, etc. it's -very- hard to recover from that
• 417[01:33:56] <themill> jim: are you asking how DNS works?
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• 419[01:34:04] <babilen> dpkg: httpredir.debian.org
• 420[01:34:05] <dpkg> To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb replaced-url
• 421[01:34:12] <babilen> jim: ^
• 422[01:34:24] <hassoon> jim: meh i read the sources.list file and check it anyway
• 423[01:34:32] <doublehp> themill: replaced-url
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• 426[01:34:59] <hassoon> jim: it's not like i'm clueless when it comes to repositories lines
• 427[01:34:59] <pingfloyd> hassoon: note: depending if you use it or not, in addition you might append contrib non-free to each of those sources lines
• 428[01:35:03] <hassoon> deb and deb-src
• 429[01:35:04] <hassoon> etc
• 430[01:35:49] <hassoon> pingfloyd: sorry what was the issue ?
• 431[01:36:08] <pingfloyd> hassoon: that's in regards to your sources.list file
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• 433[01:37:36] <jim> themill, no... so there are these strings, http, https, ftp, ssh, git, probably more... and there's another, the one I got curious about, "httpredir"... when I look at the definition of a url, these strings go in the "protocol" slot... so what I'm wondering, is how did the protocol httpredir: come about
• 434[01:37:51] <jim> and, it's just an idle curioustiy
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• 437[01:38:05] <hassoon> App::Nopaste::Service::Codepeek: No form defined at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste/Service/Codepeek.pm line 19.
• 438[01:38:09] <hassoon> this is how my sources.list looks like anyway replaced-url
• 439[01:38:09] <hassoon> lewlw
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• 441[01:38:18] <hassoon> what was that first line
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• 443[01:38:27] <hassoon> i did this: /exec -o nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list |xclip; echo "this is how my sources.list looks like anyway $(xclip -o)"
• 444[01:38:53] <TomTomTosch> jim: httpredir is not the protocol but the subdomain for the httpredir service.
• 445[01:39:22] <TomTomTosch> jim: it's replaced-url
• 446[01:39:47] <jim> TomTomTosch, oh, ok, thanks
• 447[01:39:51] <pingfloyd> hassoon: looks okay to me
• 448[01:40:03] <jim> me too
• 449[01:40:24] <jim> that particular sources.list doesn't mix other stuff
• 450[01:40:24] <wsky> wooo nanananana
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• 452[01:40:58] <pingfloyd> hassoon: though you don't have the trailing / in the uri (not sure if it matters or not).
• 453[01:41:16] <hassoon> pingfloyd: i'd like to comment my sources.list file
• 454[01:41:24] <hassoon> to differenciate each section from others
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• 456[01:41:33] <pingfloyd> # comments
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• 458[01:42:09] <hassoon> pingfloyd: yeah i mean..
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• 463[01:43:47] <n-iCe> is debian testing sort of a rolling out release distro? I mean, will it upgrade to the next version of debian or should I download a new .iso once a new version is out?
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• 465[01:44:22] <hassoon> i mean i want to know what to write when describing each section replaced-url
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• 467[01:44:27] <pingfloyd> n-iCe: it's basically rolling release, but it depends how you reference it in source.list in regards to the second part of your question
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• 469[01:45:47] <pingfloyd> n-iCe: i.e., whether you're referencing as stretch or testing
• 470[01:45:48] <n-iCe> pingfloyd, so, we need to change the code name in sources.list? in order to migrate?
• 471[01:46:08] <pingfloyd> n-iCe: yeah, once it changes if you want to stay on testing
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• 474[01:46:57] <n-iCe> pingfloyd, but that can be dangerous, don't you think?
• 475[01:47:02] <pingfloyd> it's probably a better idea to reference by code name instead of release name so then it on your terms when it major updates
• 476[01:47:54] <hassoon> pingfloyd: yeah i mean what is the section 1 for, and 2
• 477[01:48:03] <hassoon> the third one is clearly for security updates
• 478[01:48:04] <pingfloyd> n-iCe: there can be some sawdust when testing becomes the next stable
• 479[01:48:25] <hassoon> lewl so you're talking to n-iCe
• 480[01:49:30] <n-iCe> :p
• 481[01:49:53] <hassoon> oh never mind
• 482[01:50:07] <AbstractArtist> Anyone know where i can get some coton
• 483[01:50:10] <hassoon> i'm already reading the debian handbook, and yet i'm already in the sources.list section !
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• 485[01:50:25] <hassoon> and i'm given a commented exemple of sources.list
• 486[01:50:26] <hassoon> lewl
• 487[01:50:42] <hassoon> replaced-url
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• 489[01:50:46] <hassoon> :D
• 490[01:51:30] <jgrasser> that is a really nice kde setup
• 491[01:51:39] <hassoon> :v
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• 496[01:54:08] <doublehp> themill pingfloyd alphazulu missmbob jim : thank you; I think I have done it; testing over night.
• 497[01:54:24] <TomTomTosch> that format looks a bit broken. is that the pdf?
• 498[01:54:37] <hassoon> TomTomTosch: no, epub
• 499[01:54:43] <hassoon> another book format
• 500[01:54:50] <pingfloyd> doublehp: no problem
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• 502[01:54:51] <jim> how can I tell whether my boot is legacy or uefi?
• 503[01:54:52] <hassoon> i'm using fbreader to read that, TomTomTosch
• 504[01:55:08] <hassoon> jim: from your bios menu
• 505[01:55:25] <jim> what about when I'm running debian?
• 506[01:55:41] <jim> I heard there are files
• 507[01:56:15] <hassoon> ah yeah there must be, not sure what are they anyway
• 508[01:56:28] <pingfloyd> the existence of ESP can be a clue
• 509[01:56:32] <TomTomTosch> yeah, the pdf is much nicer formated. not sure what happened to the french epub.
• 510[01:56:41] <hassoon> jim: i would say try something like lshw, and it will tell you in detail how your HDD is set
• 511[01:56:51] <hassoon> TomTomTosch: what ?
• 512[01:56:54] <hassoon> TomTomTosch: define nicer
• 513[01:57:17] <pingfloyd> EFI system partition
• 514[01:57:24] <TomTomTosch> the file in its own box and every line actually on a new line.
• 515[01:58:08] <hassoon> TomTomTosch: the pdf version of the said book has a size of 35 MB, and the epub-version's size is 5 MB, and it's as clear as the pdf one, what is it
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• 517[01:58:21] <jim> found it... it's /sys/firmware/efi
• 518[01:58:21] <hassoon> TomTomTosch: yep, that's the definition of the book
• 519[01:58:23] <hassoon> :D
• 520[01:58:32] <hassoon> jim: how did you find it
• 521[01:58:42] <jim> ls-ed around
• 522[01:58:52] <jim> looked at /proc and /sys
• 523[01:59:06] <hassoon> ok
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• 525[01:59:27] <hassoon> jim: also in EFI systems, there is a dedicated partition called efi anyway
• 526[01:59:28] <jim> do you have /sys/firmware?
• 527[01:59:36] <pingfloyd> hassoon: that's the ESP
• 528[01:59:44] <hassoon> !dpkg ESP
• 529[01:59:44] <dpkg> I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand?
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• 531[01:59:46] <jim> I'm aware of that :) I had to make it
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• 533[02:00:22] <jim> harsh :P
• 534[02:00:26] <pingfloyd> hassoon: that factoid is a different ESP
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• 538[02:00:49] <jim> !efi
• 539[02:00:49] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. replaced-url
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• 542[02:02:14] <TomTomTosch> hassoon: no, that's not intended in the epub. either the french epub is broken you your reader is.
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• 544[02:02:33] <hassoon> TomTomTosch: i'm sorry ?
• 545[02:02:50] <hassoon> TomTomTosch: what are you arguing with me about here lewl
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• 547[02:03:16] <pingfloyd> hassoon: someone probably converted the pdf to epub and lost some formatting
• 548[02:03:26] <TomTomTosch> i'm not arguing...
• 549[02:03:37] * TomTomTosch shrugs
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• 551[02:03:47] <hassoon> pingfloyd: nah, the epub is very clear, i can even select text anytime
• 552[02:03:53] <hassoon> and copy/paste it
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• 555[02:04:01] <pingfloyd> hassoon: except it looked like their "quote" info was messed up
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• 558[02:04:26] <hassoon> pingfloyd: i don't see any messed up thing, what are you referring to ahah
• 559[02:04:28] <pingfloyd> hassoon: turned into a paragraph instead of a figure
• 560[02:04:43] <pingfloyd> hassoon: like the examples for the line in sources.list
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• 562[02:04:48] <pingfloyd> lines
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• 564[02:05:00] <hassoon> pingfloyd: yeah it didn't come with newlines
• 565[02:05:05] <pingfloyd> that was probably originally a figure
• 566[02:05:31] <hassoon> ah
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• 568[02:05:52] <pingfloyd> and with that, there may be other formatting that was lost in the conversion
• 569[02:06:30] <winsen> how can repair grub2.2 without any cd linux live?
• 570[02:06:57] <pingfloyd> to be honest I'm even less wild about epub than pdf because it seems to cater to DRM'd content even more.
• 571[02:07:16] <hassoon> i live epub
• 572[02:07:20] <hassoon> i love *
• 573[02:07:33] <winsen> Can I do it by command line from the terminal even if I am running on multiboot machine?
• 574[02:07:34] <pingfloyd> i.e., an ever better racket
• 575[02:07:51] <awal1> winsen, what happens with your grub?
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• 577[02:08:51] * hassoon downloads the pdf version to make sure..
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• 579[02:09:56] <awal1> people already told you, yesterday, how to reinstall it (grub-install /dev/sdwhereeveryou wan it)
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• 581[02:10:44] <awal1> winsen, better ask in room, no pm, bcoz if I'm mistaken, other people will correct
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• 583[02:11:06] <winsen> awal1: can you repeat the command line please?
• 584[02:11:29] <winsen> awal1: are you sure this would work even on multiboot?
• 585[02:11:46] <awal1> winsen, if you want it in the mbr just execute as root grub-install /dev/sda
• 586[02:11:53] <pingfloyd> hassoon: is this what you're looking for? replaced-url
• 587[02:11:56] <awal1> then execute update-grub
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• 589[02:12:55] <winsen> awal1: I did it right now. hope this will work.
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• 591[02:13:38] <hassoon> pingfloyd: nah, a whole sysadmin book written by Raphaël Hertzog, i thought it's famous in the debian community, replaced-url
• 592[02:13:39] <winsen> awal1: "execute update-grub"? is that the entire command line?
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• 594[02:14:09] <awal1> winsen, command is: update-grub
• 595[02:14:10] <winsen> awal1: or "apt-get update-grub"
• 596[02:14:21] <hassoon> pingfloyd: holy moly wait you're right
• 597[02:14:22] <winsen> awal1: ok
• 598[02:14:22] <hassoon> Oo
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• 600[02:14:49] <awal1> hmmm. just run two commands. 1: grub-install /dev/sda
• 601[02:14:53] <hassoon> pingfloyd: what the heck that book is packaged in debian lmao :
• 602[02:14:56] <hassoon> * !
• 603[02:15:02] <awal1> 2: update-grub
• 604[02:15:08] <pingfloyd> hassoon: I'm sure it probably is
• 605[02:15:19] <winsen> awal1:it seems not working: replaced-url
• 606[02:15:41] <pingfloyd> hassoon: so lots of options available where you don't have to settle for a shitty copy
• 607[02:15:45] <hassoon> l-look at all those translated versions wow
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• 611[02:16:13] <hassoon> pingfloyd: it's the same book, the link in that page redirects me to where i found the book in the first time
• 612[02:16:26] <winsen> awal1: are you still there?
• 613[02:16:52] <awal1> winsen, I have no clue about what is flexnet
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• 617[02:17:27] <winsen> maybe someone knows here what does that mean?
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• 619[02:17:42] <winsen> maybe someone knows here what does "flexnet" that mean?
• 620[02:18:27] <awal1> winsen, your debian is dualbooted with windows or what?
• 621[02:18:29] <pingfloyd> hassoon: you could just apt-get install debian-handbook too. Then point your web browser to /usr/share/doc/debian-handbook/html/<language>/index.html for offline reading
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• 624[02:19:59] <winsen> awal1: yes
• 625[02:20:12] <pingfloyd> winsen: are there problems? That's just a warning in your paste.
• 626[02:20:14] <awal1> winsen, it's not a crim if you have a dual booted machine (debian+windows or whatever) ; explain yourself to people here and what you have done with your grub if you want help
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• 628[02:20:38] <hassoon> pingfloyd: indeed ahah
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• 630[02:21:33] <hassoon> pingfloyd: anyway i enjoy books in pdf/epub format personally, i even get them better like that
• 631[02:21:43] <hassoon> reading long books in web browsers sucks
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• 633[02:22:30] <pingfloyd> I'm the opposite
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• 638[02:24:02] <hassoon> and indeed, the pdf version is much more organised replaced-url
• 639[02:24:03] <winsen> awal1: I agree with you. Unfortunately, lot of people who just by reading multiboot windoz don't want to reply forward you to windoz channel
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• 641[02:24:59] <awal1> winsen, a possible pistes replaced-url
• 642[02:24:59] <winsen> pingfloyd: are you sure?
• 643[02:25:38] <hassoon> okey now i'm starting to feel uncomfortable with the pdf version and want to switch back to the epub one
• 644[02:25:41] <hassoon> lewl
• 645[02:26:08] <winsen> awal1: is it possible to upgrade the grub? what is the last version?
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• 648[02:26:38] <awal1> winsen, for stable, the one you have so
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• 652[02:28:22] <awal1> ,v grub-pc
• 653[02:28:23] <judd> Package: grub-pc on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.99-27+deb7u3; jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; sid: 2.02~beta2-36; stretch: 2.02~beta2-36
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• 657[02:33:22] <winsen> awal1: thank you. remember when i asked about NM and Icd and you told that we can switch however we want with those tools. It seems that I have conflit because often I need to reconnect. can you please tell me how can I see if both are running?
• 658[02:33:31] <winsen> *wicd
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• 661[02:35:49] <awal1> winsen, check that with systemctl status wicd NetworkManager (systemctl enable/disable/start/stop/mask/unmask a-givenservice)
• 662[02:35:55] <xormor> I don't have the drivers for my wireless in my debian jessie stable 8.5.
• 663[02:35:59] <awal1> winsen, dinner time here, sorry
• 664[02:36:01] <winsen> awal1: replaced-url
• 665[02:36:01] <xormor> how do I get them? RTL_NIC?
• 666[02:36:04] <awal1> !ask
• 667[02:36:04] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 668[02:36:09] <awal1> winsen, ^
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• 674[02:38:38] <winsen> awal1: are you still there?
• 675[02:39:04] <pingfloyd> winsen: also not every daemon has a systemd unit file so in those case you'd use /etc/init.d/wicd status for example.
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• 677[02:39:18] <winsen> awal1: it seems both are running. however I stopped NM: replaced-url
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• 680[02:39:42] <awal1> winsen, maybe later i'll be; I must have my dinner now. other people will help yo; just ask; and for sure they know better. good luck :P
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• 683[02:39:59] <winsen> awal1: enjoy your food man.
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• 685[02:41:48] <funkadelic> im trying to shave some time off of my boot up. do i need binfmt-support.service to start at boot? how do i tell if anything i use even needs binfmt support? i was reading a bit about it on google but not sure if i need it or not. replaced-url
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• 689[02:44:04] <funkadelic> i also want to know if NetworkManager.service and networking.service are dependent upon each other because both of them start at boot and they take several seconds to start, do i need both of those services for the internet to work?
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• 694[02:45:34] <funkadelic> im also curious about alsarestore.service, rc-local.service and rcpbind.service
• 695[02:46:04] <winsen> pingfloyd: I wonder why NM is still running. well. brb, I'll reboot to see if grub is working correctly
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• 699[02:46:37] <funkadelic> pingfloyd, i was just listening to pink floyd
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• 707[02:50:18] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: networking.service is for ifupdown
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• 715[02:54:26] <funkadelic> if anyone answered me i am so sorry, my net is very crappy.
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• 723[02:58:51] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: in short that networking.service unit is so systemd can work with /etc/network/* and bring up the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 727[02:59:33] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: if you're using network manager, chances are just your lo interface is being managed under /etc/network/interfaces
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• 729[02:59:59] <funkadelic> pingfloyd, what about binfmt-support.service how do i tell if im using anything that needs binfmt support?
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• 731[03:00:00] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: they should work fine together, at long as not configured in a conflicting manner
• 732[03:00:35] <funkadelic> pingfloyd, well i was wondering if i could disable networkmanager.service as long as i leave networking.service enabled
• 733[03:01:29] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: depends on if you have a interface configured in a way that depends on network manager
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• 736[03:01:36] <funkadelic> i think my wifi is dependent upon the networkmanager service though
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• 742[03:02:16] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: like if you remove network manager, you may find one of your interfaces was being managed through it, and then you'd have to tweak /etc/default/networking and /etc/network/interfaces to handle it
• 743[03:02:28] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: yeah, probably
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• 747[03:03:02] <funkadelic> pingfloyd, whats rc-local.service and rcpbind.service for?
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• 750[03:04:01] <winsen> pingfloyd: unfortunately the grub was not re-installed/restored by the following command line: "grub-install /dev/sda" + "update-grub"
• 751[03:04:02] <winsen> any clue guys?
• 752[03:04:02] <winsen> I can't access to windoz partition
• 753[03:04:07] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: you should probably just stick to network manager managing unless you're comfortable with ifup/ifdown configuration and wpa_supplicant configuration. Network manager is the way to go for a laptop that you'll be connecting to many different networks.
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• 755[03:04:19] <malabaris> si quieres ganar mirando anuncios mira esto: replaced-url
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• 760[03:06:59] <funkadelic> pingfloyd, yeah i think ill just leave the networking stuff alone. in regards to my curiosity of the other services i noticed there is this service that is always listening for connections sunrpc.. i noticed rcpbind.service and rc-local.service, are those the services trying to make network connections?
• 761[03:07:41] <funkadelic> netstat -aoN shows tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:sunrpc 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
• 762[03:07:52] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: usually systemctl status servicename gives a short description
• 763[03:08:14] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: e.g.,: systemctl status binfmt-support.service
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• 767[03:08:40] <funkadelic> pingfloyd, i see that is very useful. thank you
• 768[03:08:45] <pingfloyd> no problem
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• 770[03:08:58] <pingfloyd> it also shows you where the unit file is located
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• 772[03:09:25] <funkadelic> so if it turns out that something does end up needing binfmt support - itll probably whine about it so that i know to reenable it, right?
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• 774[03:09:50] <pingfloyd> that one you should probably leave alone
• 775[03:10:11] <funkadelic> alright, whats a magic number in programming?
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• 778[03:12:18] <SerajewelKS> funkadelic: generally, an undocumented number
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• 781[03:12:38] <SerajewelKS> funkadelic: like: let status = 3; <-- what does 3 mean? nobody knows. it's magic!
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• 793[03:14:52] <funkadelic> i see. i read an article a while back ago titled don't play dice with random numbers, but it was about cryptography, entropy, and random number generators.
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• 799[03:15:46] <funkadelic> SerajewelKS, is the number a random number?
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• 801[03:16:30] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: it's more related to this general concept replaced-url
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• 803[03:16:58] <SerajewelKS> funkadelic: random, not really. maybe unimportant is a better word. maybe you have a list of states associated with a support ticket in a system, so you have states like open, closed, new, need more info, etc.
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• 805[03:17:19] <SerajewelKS> funkadelic: we don't really care what number each state gets stored as, but we do care that they mean the same thing every time.
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• 807[03:18:36] <funkadelic> i see
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• 812[03:23:11] <funkadelic> so how do i figure out what process is listening for a connection on sunrpc? netstat -tap shows the process/pid but the pid is blank on that one connection so i can't figure out what program is doing it
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• 814[03:23:50] <SerajewelKS> funkadelic: are you running netstat as root?
• 815[03:24:05] <SerajewelKS> funkadelic: a non-root user can only see the process associated with a socket if it's one of their own processes
• 816[03:24:18] <funkadelic> SerajewelKS, no, let me try that and see what i get
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• 820[03:26:40] <funkadelic> SerajewelKS, that worked, its rcpbind and rcp.statd ... do i need them? can i safely disable them?
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• 832[03:33:53] <SerajewelKS> funkadelic: that depends. rpcbind is, IIRC, one of those things kinda like inetd. it listens on behalf of other processes.
• 833[03:34:04] <SerajewelKS> i believe you need rpcbind to use NFS, for example
• 834[03:34:18] <SerajewelKS> so the answer is: it depends if anything on your system is using it
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• 848[03:39:37] <funkadelic> sorry net flaked again
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• 863[03:45:14] <funkadelic> SerajewelKS, well i don't use NFS, but occasionally when i connect to a friends network if they have public network shares i may sometimes access them. the lease services i run then the lesser the potential attack vectors there, right?
• 864[03:45:25] <funkadelic> least*
• 865[03:45:34] <funkadelic> there are*
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• 867[03:46:03] <bigpic> does anyone here use ucarp? I’ve installed it but tcpdump reveals that this box is not broacasting any carp traffic
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• 869[03:46:19] <bigpic> i get broadcasts from a freebsd master
• 870[03:46:31] <bigpic> but nothing is transmitted from this box =\
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• 875[03:49:44] <funkadelic> bigpic, try #networking
• 876[03:50:24] <bigpic> will do
• 877[03:50:29] <funkadelic> they are like wizards
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• 880[03:52:25] <funkadelic> i have a channel/project to start an ask all channel .. a collective consolidation of all knowledge in one channel.
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• 883[03:53:43] <shortcircuit__> hi
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• 887[03:54:18] <INeverMore> Anyone here?
• 888[03:54:18] <shortcircuit__> I am trying to install the experimental neovim package .. I followed the instruction here replaced-url
• 889[03:54:38] <funkadelic> INeverMore, ya
• 890[03:54:58] <INeverMore> An idiot coworker screwed up our fileshare
• 891[03:55:09] <INeverMore> any advice on how to restore?
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• 893[03:55:30] <shortcircuit__> and now when I do apt-get -t experimental install neovim I am having this error replaced-url
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• 895[03:55:51] <funkadelic> INeverMore, depends on how you had things setup, what were you running?
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• 902[03:57:37] <funkadelic> shortcircuit__, can you paste it to replaced-url
• 903[03:57:45] <shortcircuit__> ok
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• 905[03:58:20] <INeverMore> just hosting the files on a server running debian
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• 907[03:58:47] <INeverMore> he set everything, for every user, to 777
• 908[03:58:54] <shortcircuit__> replaced-url
• 909[03:59:58] <INeverMore> any way to fix that?
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• 912[04:00:08] <SerajewelKS> funkadelic: "occasionally when i connect to a friends network if they have public network shares i may" <-- NFS or CIFS/SMB?
• 913[04:00:15] <funkadelic> INeverMore, do you have all of your important files backed up?
• 914[04:00:54] <funkadelic> SerajewelKS, i think my one friend has a samba share and my other friends use windows file and print sharing.
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• 917[04:01:17] <SerajewelKS> funkadelic: right, those are both SMB/CIFS. not NFS.
• 918[04:01:30] <SerajewelKS> funkadelic: NFS is a very specific thing that you would remember configuring.
• 919[04:01:36] <INeverMore> so in other words, no?
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• 924[04:02:35] <funkadelic> INeverMore, you don't have backups?
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• 926[04:03:05] <INeverMore> no clue how outdated they are
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• 929[04:03:36] <funkadelic> its possible to do what you want to do but it might be easier to just start over from scratch than to try and undo everything that your coworker did
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• 933[04:04:11] <funkadelic> INeverMore, look at the bash history. whats everything he did?
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• 936[04:04:23] <INeverMore> problem is if it's even a day old, could lose a lot of files
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• 940[04:04:46] <funkadelic> INeverMore, well the files are still there right?
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• 985[04:28:41] <Xin> <Xin> ok heres a weird question
• 986[04:28:41] <Xin> <Xin> if I have a ramdrive type thing
• 987[04:28:41] <Xin> <Xin> obviously anything in memory is very accessible
• 988[04:28:42] <Xin> <Xin> is. it. crazy. to run an encryption layer on the entire partition like LUKs?
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• 991[04:29:13] <Xin> Xin> <Xin> in memory
• 992[04:29:13] <Xin> <Xin> <Xin> the key will be within a /home folder on another fully encrypted partition
• 993[04:29:20] <Xin> sorry lol
• 994[04:29:23] <Xin> wrote in wrong channel
• 995[04:30:19] <jair> hello there, I just wanted to clarify something on my client debian system, for the machine to lookup IPs. if I run the command dig the system shows 127.0.0.1 as the dns server
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• 999[04:30:53] <jair> why is not using the dhcp's settinggs for example in this case it should be by default the ip of the default gw router I am connecting to
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• 1001[04:31:13] <Xin> jair; did you select to install a dns server package when installing?
• 1002[04:31:26] <jair> of course I can modify the interfaces file and add the dns-nameserver? or dns-nameservers
• 1003[04:31:39] <jair> ahhh maybe no
• 1004[04:32:12] <jair> Xin: I don't think I did that... this is what I have in my interfaces file:
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• 1007[04:33:24] <Xin> maybe try sudo apt-get remove bind9
• 1008[04:33:46] <jair> Xin: ahhh that is because the bind9 server package is installed?
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• 1048[04:55:40] <shangul> hi.does debian have lamp installed by default?
• 1049[04:56:35] <qman__> No, you must choose specifically to install it if that's what you want
• 1050[04:56:49] <petn-randall> Don't forget the lamp shades.
• 1051[04:57:28] <shangul> ah
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• 1053[04:58:31] <shangul> qman__, i should install it by myself after installing debian?
• 1054[04:59:15] <missmbob> shangul: if that's what you want, yeah. replaced-url
• 1055[04:59:54] <shangul> no i want a distro that comes with lamp
• 1056[05:00:06] <missmbob> shangul: it has lamp. you just have to tell it you want it
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• 1058[05:00:16] <missmbob> shangul: like every other distro. you have to tell ubuntu you want it too
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• 1060[05:00:31] <missmbob> shangul: in fact that guide would verbatim work for ubuntu
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• 1062[05:01:27] <shangul> no it doesnt have and i should install lamp for ubuntu or debian.isnt it?
• 1063[05:01:45] <missmbob> no. but i don't think i can make it any clearer
• 1064[05:02:02] <missmbob> it has it. tell it you want it. the end
• 1065[05:02:06] <shangul> explain it for me
• 1066[05:02:12] <missmbob> follow the guide or go elsewhere
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• 1071[05:03:06] <shangul> ok i should tell it right?i need internet right?
• 1072[05:03:22] <missmbob> that's a good assumption
• 1073[05:03:32] <missmbob> lamp without internet is pretty pointless
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• 1079[05:06:43] <shangul> i red the article and yes i should install lamp by myself
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• 1082[05:08:02] <petn-randall> shangul: The whole LAMP stack is part of the Debian distro. It's just not installed by default, because not everyone needs it.
• 1083[05:09:21] <shangul> thats what i say : lamp isnt installed by default
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• 1139[06:00:00] <funkadelic> whats the latest debian kernel version?
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• 1141[06:00:57] <hiya> funkadelic, in stable?
• 1142[06:01:10] <hiya> ,kernel
• 1143[06:01:11] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
• 1144[06:01:15] <hiya> funkadelic, ^
• 1145[06:01:15] <hiya> :D
• 1146[06:01:42] <funkadelic> should i upgrade my kernel?
• 1147[06:01:49] <hiya> is everything NOT ok?
• 1148[06:01:57] <hiya> What is the real issue? Why are you upgrading?
• 1149[06:02:35] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: if it ain't broke, don't fix it
• 1150[06:03:48] <funkadelic> well im running 3.16.0.4, theres no major security fixes or anything id gain by upgrading my kernel is there>?
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• 1152[06:04:08] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: stable gets security updates
• 1153[06:04:13] <missmbob> funkadelic: no. security is backported. you don't have to do anything
• 1154[06:04:38] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: out of all of them, stable gets the most attention for security fixes
• 1155[06:05:01] <finchd> and is least likely to just stop working after an upgrade
• 1156[06:05:12] * finchd looks at wpa_supplicant accusingly
• 1157[06:05:16] <funkadelic> i see. and speaking of security. if the NSA hack is real then we should be seeing a lot of patches coming out soon, aye?
• 1158[06:05:40] <funkadelic> because for once researchers would have a chance to examine the code
• 1159[06:05:41] <pingfloyd> funkadelic: unstable gets it security from upstream which can bit more hit and miss, and testing does get some attention by the security team, but not to the same degree as stable.
• 1160[06:05:59] <missmbob> funkadelic: not necessarily. first NSA fallout happened earlier today and that had to do with Cisco routers, not linux
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• 1172[06:09:25] <funkadelic> how did bash door shellshock go unnoticed for so many years?
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• 1177[06:10:45] <vahe> hi, ssh works if I connect eth0 if you connect to the Internet with wlan0 not working , ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.101 port 22: No route to host ,LAN- work wifi-not
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• 1179[06:11:44] <funkadelic> vahe, you have port forwarding enabled on your router?
• 1180[06:12:28] <funkadelic> and your iptables are configured correctly?
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• 1184[06:13:43] <vahe> funkadelic: thanks, I do not even know, tenda 11n
• 1185[06:14:01] <vahe> how can I check?
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• 1188[06:14:34] <vahe> iptables settings are not touched even
• 1189[06:15:06] <funkadelic> vahe, did you configure iptables your self or are you using something like ufw?
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• 1192[06:16:11] <vahe> funkadelic: ufw don't know what is ))
• 1193[06:17:12] <vahe> configure iptables didn't touch
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• 1197[06:17:48] <funkadelic> vahe it stands for uncomplicated firewall .. it is for people who dont understand how to setup iptables
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• 1200[06:18:11] <funkadelic> vahe, do you know how to configure iptables?
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• 1202[06:18:40] <vahe> no, say I'll try
• 1203[06:18:41] <sm00th> or for people too lazy to set up iptables lol
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• 1205[06:18:54] <funkadelic> vahe, sudo apt-get install ufw
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• 1207[06:19:17] <sm00th> or for people who edit firewall rules alot
• 1208[06:19:25] <vahe> sm00th: I would love to do a setup, I am newbie but not lazy
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• 1210[06:19:53] <funkadelic> sudo service ufw start
• 1211[06:19:53] <funkadelic> sudo ufw allow ssh
• 1212[06:20:06] <vahe> I'm touching something that is necessary if you need to configure I do it
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• 1214[06:20:11] <vahe> thanks funkadelic i try
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• 1218[06:20:58] <sm00th> ufw allow out proto tcp from (your ip) to any port 22
• 1219[06:21:21] <sm00th> sudo ufw default deny outgoing
• 1220[06:21:53] <sm00th> gufw is a gui front end for it
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• 1222[06:22:04] <sm00th> which i never use, but it gives the ability to label rules
• 1223[06:22:10] <sm00th> or change order without editing user.rules file
• 1224[06:22:11] <funkadelic> vahe, yah you can use gufw instead if you want
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• 1226[06:22:45] <sm00th> vahe, just remember with firewalls the rules work top to bottom
• 1227[06:22:58] <sm00th> so top rule overules bottom ones
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• 1229[06:23:09] <funkadelic> how do you tell ufw to not reject all icmp traffic but to instead drop it
• 1230[06:23:46] <sm00th> icmp? I dunno. i block it in the sysctl file
• 1231[06:23:54] <sm00th> I thought
• 1232[06:23:59] <funkadelic> how do you do that?
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• 1234[06:24:38] <sm00th> net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts=1
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• 1236[06:24:59] <sm00th> or you can do ignore all
• 1237[06:25:11] <sm00th> net.ipv4.icmp_ignore_bogus_error_responses=1
• 1238[06:25:20] <funkadelic> i added something to my sysctl file the other day that was supposed to be a sloppy temporary patch for a vulnerability until it gets offically patched
• 1239[06:25:24] <funkadelic> yesterday
• 1240[06:25:33] <sm00th> what did you add?
• 1241[06:25:54] <funkadelic> net.ipv4.tcp_challenge_ack_limit = 999999999
• 1242[06:26:00] <vahe> funkadelic: this doesn't help ufw ,can't connect
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• 1244[06:26:31] <sm00th> vahe, sudo systemctl enable ufw
• 1245[06:26:41] <funkadelic> vahe, do you know how to login to your routers system administration page?
• 1246[06:26:42] <sm00th> then sudo ufw enable
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• 1248[06:27:00] <funkadelic> vahe, do what sm00th is telling you
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• 1251[06:27:41] <Xin> hola
• 1252[06:27:58] <Xin> how can I give a user account permission to use killall
• 1253[06:28:11] <Xin> orrrr should I make a sudo account that requires no password that can only do that?
• 1254[06:28:51] <vahe> funkadelic: systemctl command not found
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• 1256[06:28:57] <xormor> Xin, killall can be used for the user owned processes.
• 1257[06:29:28] <xormor> Xin, if I have an account "larry" I can killall all processes that were started as larry's processes.
• 1258[06:29:32] <Xin> hm oh really
• 1259[06:29:34] <missmbob> !tell vahe about crosspost
• 1260[06:29:38] <Xin> lets seee
• 1261[06:31:22] <funkadelic> vahe, run it with sudo
• 1262[06:31:42] <vahe> funkadelic: I do not know much English please , what else can you do? I tried all what you said
• 1263[06:31:51] <vahe> yes
• 1264[06:32:05] <funkadelic> vahe, what language do you speak?
• 1265[06:32:25] <missmbob> !fr
• 1266[06:32:25] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
• 1267[06:32:40] <vahe> հայերեն or русский
• 1268[06:32:49] <missmbob> !ru
• 1269[06:32:50] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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• 1274[06:33:18] <vahe> # systemctl not found
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• 1276[06:33:33] <vahe> thanks
• 1277[06:33:48] <funkadelic> vahe, try sudo systemctl
• 1278[06:34:00] <vahe> # or $ not found
• 1279[06:34:03] <jmcnaught> why did ufw installed? Debian has no firewall out of the box, so if firewall has not been touched by user than it is categorically not the problem
• 1280[06:34:23] <jmcnaught> vahe: what release of Debian is it?
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• 1282[06:34:40] <missmbob> my guess is he isn't associated with an ap. just assigned an ip to wlan0. *shrug*
• 1283[06:34:48] <vahe> ufw start/running
• 1284[06:35:03] <vahe> debian 8.5
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• 1286[06:35:41] <jmcnaught> vahe: did you replace systemd with another init systemÉ
• 1287[06:35:47] <jmcnaught> ?
• 1288[06:35:52] <funkadelic> vahe, now sudo ufw allow ssh
• 1289[06:35:54] <vahe> ufi
• 1290[06:36:37] <funkadelic> later we can specify a specific ip address but for now lets just try to get it working
• 1291[06:36:42] <vahe> skipping adding existing rule
• 1292[06:36:46] <vahe> ufw
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• 1294[06:37:09] <funkadelic> okay now try to ssh and if that doesnt work do you know the login information to your routers administration page?
• 1295[06:37:27] <vahe> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.103 port 22: No route to host
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• 1298[06:37:45] <funkadelic> try the wan ip
• 1299[06:37:56] <funkadelic> replaced-url
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• 1302[06:39:02] <funkadelic> vahe, are you at home or at an office? coffee shop maybe?
• 1303[06:39:06] <vahe> funkadelic: but I want to go local 192....
• 1304[06:39:24] <vahe> im now home
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• 1308[06:40:27] <vahe> I can enter my admin panel
• 1309[06:40:31] <vahe> router
• 1310[06:40:35] <funkadelic> are you sure thats the right ip? did you check ifconfig? do a port scan, see if 22 is open. nmap 192.168.0.103
• 1311[06:41:02] <funkadelic> okay in the router disable spi firewall and forward port 22 to 192.168.0.103
• 1312[06:41:27] <vahe> yes ifconfig ...103 it ok, scan?
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• 1314[06:41:48] <unborn> 0o
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• 1316[06:42:23] <vahe> scan nmap? how
• 1317[06:42:34] <funkadelic> vahe, sudo apt-get install nmap
• 1318[06:42:42] <funkadelic> nmap 192.168.0.103
• 1319[06:42:57] <vahe> ok
• 1320[06:42:59] <funkadelic> do it from a seperate machine
• 1321[06:43:13] <funkadelic> dont do it on the same machine as the ssh server
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• 1323[06:44:14] <vahe> funkadelic: 22/tcp open ssh
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• 1326[06:45:22] <vahe> ah min
• 1327[06:45:23] <vahe> :D
• 1328[06:45:40] <funkadelic> how are you trying to connect, ssh user@192.168.0.103 ?
• 1329[06:46:36] <vahe> funkadelic: replaced-url
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• 1331[06:47:13] <vahe> I scanned where the first server is not correct sorry
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• 1333[06:48:07] <vahe> not the first time I use ssh ,if you connect through the LAN, but it works, but something wrong with wifi
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• 1335[06:49:16] <vahe> ssh user@192.168.0.103 yes
• 1336[06:49:33] <unborn> vahe: can you paste out output of your ifconfig?
• 1337[06:49:53] <vahe> yes
• 1338[06:49:58] <vahe> oh no
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• 1341[06:50:10] <funkadelic> vahe, how many devices are on your network? run nmap -sp 192.168.0.1/24
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• 1343[06:50:42] <vahe> the problem is that cannot connect to copy
• 1344[06:50:48] <vahe> ok
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• 1347[06:52:41] <vahe> funkadelic: replaced-url
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• 1350[06:52:53] <unborn> you can.. highlight text in terminal with mouse then ctrl + shift + c
• 1351[06:53:00] <unborn> vahe: ^^^
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• 1354[06:54:19] <vahe> funkadelic: replaced-url
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• 1357[06:55:16] <vahe> funkadelic: replaced-url
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• 1362[06:57:40] <funkadelic> vahe, paste me the output of nmap -sp 192.168.0.1/24
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• 1364[06:58:05] <funkadelic> whoops
• 1365[06:58:17] <funkadelic> nmap -sP 192.168.0.1/24
• 1366[06:59:11] <funkadelic> can you ping 192.168.0.103
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• 1370[06:59:29] <vahe> the minute I connect the LAN
• 1371[06:59:37] <vahe> fro copy
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• 1375[07:00:18] <funkadelic> vahe, you want to be able to connect using the internet ip instead of the local ip correct?
• 1376[07:02:08] <vahe> funkadelic: replaced-url
• 1377[07:02:50] <vahe> replaced-url
• 1378[07:03:14] <funkadelic> vahe, traceroute 192.168.0.103
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• 1382[07:04:06] <vahe> I just want to use ssh local home,I have now connected to the LAN
• 1383[07:04:07] <Xin> hey I want to use killall to stop all node processes running a certain script
• 1384[07:04:27] <Xin> I tried killall node src/processes/* but that didnt work
• 1385[07:04:33] <Xin> nor did src/processes/
• 1386[07:04:40] <Xin> do I have to name them explicitly?
• 1387[07:04:44] <vahe> funkadelic: I am now connected via lan cable
• 1388[07:05:01] <funkadelic> vahe, i understand, i just need a little information about your network to further help you, it is most likely your router and or software firewall blocking the connection
• 1389[07:05:45] <funkadelic> vahe, you installed ufw on 192.168.0.103, correct?
• 1390[07:05:52] <unborn> funkadelic: I asked vahe for ifconfig output
• 1391[07:05:56] <unborn> already
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• 1393[07:06:21] <vahe> funkadelic: but what is the value of the connection if I can connect using a LAN cable connected to router wifi
• 1394[07:06:59] <vahe> both sides are coming from one route
• 1395[07:07:05] <winterss> hiya
• 1396[07:07:10] <funkadelic> vahe, you must disable in the router spi firewall or DMZ 192.168.0.103
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• 1399[07:07:31] <unborn> vahe just kindly paste output of ifconfig command
• 1400[07:07:35] <funkadelic> hiya, you speak any russian?
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• 1402[07:07:53] <vahe> funkadelic: replaced-url
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• 1404[07:08:59] <funkadelic> vahe, why are you connected both wired and wirelessly at the same time?
• 1405[07:09:12] <funkadelic> unborn, you see that?
• 1406[07:09:30] <unborn> yeah
• 1407[07:09:38] <vahe> I do not understand ,ssh user@192.168.0.103 LAN? i connect lan
• 1408[07:10:04] <jmcnaught> vahe: does "ssh localhost" work?
• 1409[07:10:46] <vahe> I'm connected to LAN ssh that would give you config
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• 1412[07:11:20] <vahe> ssh user@192.168.0.103 but the strange thing is that I have connected to the wlan0 ip
• 1413[07:11:39] <vahe> inet addr:192.168.0.104 LAN?
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• 1415[07:11:54] <unborn> funkadelic: in my router there is support for isolated wifi network.. so there could be two things.. I have no idea what he is trying to do but if he wants to connect to ssh from another machine on same lan then he does not need to open any ports just simply connect to ssh@ip - in case his wifi is isolated from rest of the network he would not be able to of course.. if not he would get connected right a way
• 1416[07:12:08] <hiya> winterss, hi
• 1417[07:12:18] <hiya> funkadelic, no :D any issues?
• 1418[07:12:57] <funkadelic> unborn, you're right it should work locally, but i thought he wanted to be able to access it when hes not home
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• 1420[07:13:48] <vahe> unborn: I just want to connect using wlan0 ssh
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• 1423[07:14:14] <unborn> funkadelic: perhaps his router support same functionality.. for accessing box outside all he does is assign static ip from router to box and then open port 22 to that ip.. then from outside of his house he would need to know his external IP and do ssh user@external-ip
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• 1427[07:14:34] <funkadelic> hiya, we're trying to help vahe , but he speaks russian. would be better if we could speak russian.
• 1428[07:14:35] <unborn> vahe: ^^^
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• 1430[07:15:15] <vahe> I connected the LAN cable and connected to 192.168.0.103 but this is the IP of wlan0
• 1431[07:15:47] <vahe> eth0 104 wlan0 103 yes?
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• 1433[07:15:53] <funkadelic> vahe, why are you using 2 network interface cards simutaneously on the same device?
• 1434[07:15:53] <vahe> ip
• 1435[07:16:14] <unborn> vahe - disconnect wifi on the machine you want to connect to
• 1436[07:16:31] <unborn> then try from another machine on same network ssh user@.....104
• 1437[07:16:53] <Xin> hey guys I cant get any like wildcard or selectors in killall to work except the process name
• 1438[07:17:04] <Xin> I specifically want to kill; node src/processes/*
• 1439[07:17:07] <vahe> unborn: I will explain as I should have sent you information on a network me it was necessary to connect LAN as it is the only way to use SSH
• 1440[07:17:13] <funkadelic> unborn, heres a map of his network.. i had him run nmap for host discovery earlier. replaced-url
• 1441[07:17:28] <vahe> it turns out that I connected the 2 networks
• 1442[07:17:29] <Xin> but doing killall node src/processes/
• 1443[07:17:33] <Xin> kills ALL node processess
• 1444[07:17:34] <Xin> ?
• 1445[07:17:37] <Xin> :?
• 1446[07:17:58] <hiya> funkadelic, What is the problem?
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• 1449[07:18:35] <unborn> vahe - disconnect wifi on the machine you want to connect to then try to ssh @user....104 to just see if it works for you..
• 1450[07:18:55] <unborn> if it does, when we move to another step
• 1451[07:19:01] <funkadelic> hiya, were trying to help him get ssh working
• 1452[07:19:13] <vahe> no I already tried ,no
• 1453[07:19:29] <unborn> vahe: is the ssh running on targeted machine?
• 1454[07:19:48] <funkadelic> vahe, sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
• 1455[07:20:22] <vahe> funkadelic: replaced-url
• 1456[07:20:28] <hiya> vahe, Debian 8 or 7?
• 1457[07:20:33] <vahe> 8
• 1458[07:20:49] <unborn> vahe: is the ssh running on targeted machine? can you confirm?
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• 1461[07:22:08] <vahe> ssh works ,I still say , if you connect using LAN ,I can ssh connect to ssh wifi
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• 1463[07:22:44] <funkadelic> vahe, so you're saying you can connect to ssh hardwired to the router but not when wirelessly connected>
• 1464[07:22:50] <vahe> if you disable the hdmi is not working and LAN , I have a very strange device :D
• 1465[07:23:04] <hiya> HDMI?
• 1466[07:23:08] <vahe> :D yes
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• 1469[07:24:06] <vahe> Yes I connected the cable to connect to the IP of the wlan0 , I know it's weird ,but it is true
• 1470[07:24:17] <unborn> this could also means isolated wifi network.. hm solution would be having look on router settings. or leave targeted machine on cable only assign static ip on lan and then open port 22 to it..
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• 1472[07:26:17] <unborn> i mean if he wants to access it from outside of lan. there should not be any other issues
• 1473[07:26:41] <unborn> time to go to work.. later guys and have good day!
• 1474[07:27:04] <vahe> thanks unborn
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• 1476[07:27:25] <missmbob> like i said hours ago...pretty sure he's not associated...nevermind
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• 1481[07:29:12] <jmcnaught> for a while it seemed like client and server were the same computer. i must admit i was fairly confused, but didn't read the whole discussion
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• 1513[07:50:27] <starstuff> Hi, I reinstalled debian and I forget how to setup my 32bit program to run (I use amd64). When I try to ldd the program it says that the program is not found even though it's right there.
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• 1518[07:53:26] <starstuff> Does anyone know what this problem is? I can ls the program and I can see it in my file browser. But when I try to run it the console says "No such file or directory".
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• 1545[08:12:01] <starstuff> what's the name of the 32 bit compat library package?
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• 1556[08:16:14] <starstuff> I did an aptitude search ia32-libs and nothing came up. Did that package get changed to another name?
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• 1560[08:17:03] <winterss> hi ogny
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• 1562[08:17:17] <winterss> hi lalibarr
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• 1571[08:26:40] <starstuff> Hi, can anyone tell me what 32bit library I need to install so that I can run the "ldd" command on a 32bit program?
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• 1581[08:31:04] <MaBunny> jmcnaught you there??
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• 1590[08:33:43] <MaBunny> earlier yesterday you told to enter the rescue mode
• 1591[08:34:39] <MaBunny> but tht took me to the installation process again
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• 1593[08:36:52] <starstuff> When I run ldd on a 32bit binary it says "not a dynamic executable". How do I run ldd to work? Thanks. I'm running an amd64 system.
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• 1598[08:39:23] <themill> starstuff: are you sure that it is? You'd need at least libc6:i386 installed.
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• 1601[08:40:52] <starstuff> themill: No I'm not sure. I have this 32bit binary that I had setup before I reinstalled my operating system. So I know it works if I can install the correct i386 libraries. The problem is I didn't write down which libraries I would need. So I need to be able to run "ldd" on the 32bit binary to find out. But, the first problem I'm encountering is that ldd command says the binary is "not a dynamic executable".
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• 1644[09:03:01] <jelly> ldd is just a script that needs to have the 32bit libc installed.
• 1645[09:03:08] <MicroCheapFx> Hi all !
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• 1659[09:10:17] <Drunken_Irishman> replaced-url
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• 1677[09:17:34] <Drunken_Irishman> replaced-url
• 1678[09:17:42] <Drunken_Irishman> SELENA GOMEZ IN A BIKINI!!!!!!
• 1679[09:17:44] <Drunken_Irishman> replaced-url
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• 1687[09:19:46] <Drunken_Irishman> Quick, back up your files, the Matrix is about to collapse
• 1688[09:20:17] <Drunken_Irishman> Use a free and secure cloud backup service that comes pre-mounted in debian, its called /dev/null/
• 1689[09:20:26] <Drunken_Irishman> mv /* /dev/null/
• 1690[09:20:34] <Drunken_Irishman> that backs all your files up
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• 1701[09:24:39] <EmleyMoor> What's the best way to install libdvdcss on jessie amd64?
• 1702[09:25:17] <chele> with apt-get install
• 1703[09:25:56] <jelly> EmleyMoor: I think you still have to get libdvdcss2 from dmo
• 1704[09:26:00] <jelly> !dmo
• 1705[09:26:00] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
• 1706[09:26:26] <jelly> !dmm jessie
• 1707[09:26:27] <dpkg> If you really need deb-multimedia.org (are you sure your information isn't five years out of date?), then (as root): echo "deb replaced-url
• 1708[09:26:37] <EmleyMoor> Right - will see how I've done it at home
• 1709[09:27:12] <djvdorp> !why not dmm
• 1710[09:27:12] <dpkg> The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>.
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• 1715[09:32:03] <jelly> that's about dmm's builds of libav/ffmpeg/and apps using those libs; no other easy way to get libdvdcss2 that I can see
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• 1774[10:07:28] <Strykar> judd, checkbackport libecap3-dev
• 1775[10:07:29] <judd> Backporting package libecap3-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++ (>= 4:5.2).
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• 1783[10:10:37] <gebruiker> what app can I use to write an linux-install.iso to usb?
• 1784[10:11:11] <doublehp> gebruiker: cat or dd; but it's likely to fail to boot
• 1785[10:11:47] <jelly> gebruiker: what kind of linux install iso?
• 1786[10:12:04] <doublehp> gebruiker: some ISO manage to handle the difference, but CD and USB do not boot the same way, and BIOS procedure is very different. So unless ISO provider stated you can do that, expect boot will fail
• 1787[10:12:19] <jelly> if it's a debian installer image doing a cat > the whole device will work
• 1788[10:12:34] <doublehp> gebruiker: there are conversion tools
• 1789[10:12:59] <jelly> this is because the image is constructed to work with both usb booting and cd/dvd booting
• 1790[10:13:48] <armin> a.k.a. "hybrid iso".
• 1791[10:14:04] <armin> google it. it's a thing.
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• 1793[10:16:03] <armin> telling from superuser.com, if the iso is a hybrid one, there will be stuff within the first 512 bytes of the iso file. if not, there should be zeros only. can anyone second that?
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• 1830[10:40:22] <FemaleWoWGuild> when you have APT working with the debian-keyring, how many signatures does a package have to have before it is trusted by APT? one out of the many signatures in debian-keyring?
• 1831[10:40:42] <FemaleWoWGuild> if so, isn't that clearly a place where security could be improved?
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• 1834[10:41:50] <jair> hello all, with the new interface naming for NICs e.g. wlp2s0 for my wireless adapter and for my ethernet NIC enp0s31f6 if the configuration file "/etc/network/interfaces" do I need to replace eth0 with this new names?
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• 1869[10:59:18] <MikeSeth> debian <3
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• 1878[11:01:10] <Drzacek> MikeSeth, debian >3, because it's debian 8 currently
• 1879[11:01:18] <Guest57655> ....
• 1880[11:01:20] <MikeSeth> ....
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• 1891[11:07:41] <realsifocopypast> hello :)
• 1892[11:08:39] <realsifocopypast> i will join some debian router and server in my school , any good referer so i could win the competition?
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• 1894[11:08:53] <jelly> FemaleWoWGuild: it's the repos are signed, not packages
• 1895[11:09:18] <realsifocopypast> i mean debian router and server competition:)
• 1896[11:09:18] <FemaleWoWGuild> jelly, you mean it is the package lists that are signed, not the packages
• 1897[11:09:23] <jelly> right
• 1898[11:09:32] <FemaleWoWGuild> jelly, i'm aware but my point is the same
• 1899[11:09:43] <jelly> realsifocopypast: which competition?
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• 1901[11:09:52] <FemaleWoWGuild> jelly, i was referring to the "package list" as a package, but it makes little difference in terms of my point
• 1902[11:10:02] <realsifocopypast> any book or tips, special one that i could win the competition?
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• 1904[11:10:27] <jair> hello
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• 1906[11:11:01] <realsifocopypast> the competition will use debian 7 :)
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• 1908[11:12:03] <realsifocopypast> any master in here can give me the special tips about the competition?
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• 1910[11:12:22] <Ben64> whats the competition
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• 1912[11:12:54] <realsifocopypast> make debian router and servern using debian 7 :)
• 1913[11:13:12] <realsifocopypast> sorry bad english :)
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• 1915[11:13:31] <babilen> What should the server do?
• 1916[11:13:37] <babilen> (and why 7?)
• 1917[11:13:42] <realsifocopypast> in my school we use debian for competition :)
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• 1919[11:14:10] <babilen> Sure, but what will you be judged on? What is it that you have to do to perform well?
• 1920[11:14:16] <realsifocopypast> yes create a virtual router using debian :)
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• 1922[11:14:41] <realsifocopypast> may be the fastest one :)
• 1923[11:15:52] <realsifocopypast> any some article how to make debian router the easiest way and the fastest one?
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• 1925[11:16:17] <jelly> FemaleWoWGuild: alright. Was your point "two automated signing keys are better than one"?
• 1926[11:16:27] <realsifocopypast> i mean special one that make people suprize :)
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• 1928[11:16:54] <realsifocopypast> some shortcut maybe :)
• 1929[11:17:21] <MikeSeth> realsifocopypast: there is no significant difference in performance that varies by the distro
• 1930[11:17:47] <jelly> FemaleWoWGuild: it's actually debian-archive-keying that carries the default handful of trust keys, not the whole debian-keying
• 1931[11:18:09] <realsifocopypast> for examaple that server that have dbian creator signature its will make people surprize :)
• 1932[11:18:36] <Guest57655> I‘m Chinese.我来自中国。
• 1933[11:19:01] <realsifocopypast> or some qoute from debian true creator :)
• 1934[11:19:52] <realsifocopypast> that maybe will make some impression :)
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• 1937[11:21:09] <realsifocopypast> any guide for the competition?
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• 1946[11:24:18] <qwebirc728167> soory bad internet connection :)
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• 1948[11:25:00] <qwebirc728167> any guide book about debian router?
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• 1953[11:26:46] <FemaleWoWGuild> jelly, fair enough regarding package name.
• 1954[11:26:54] <qwebirc728167> how to make best debian router and server ?
• 1955[11:27:13] <FemaleWoWGuild> jelly, and no, my argument was not that any number of automated signing keys is better than one.
• 1956[11:27:19] <qwebirc728167> debian 7 i mean
• 1957[11:27:44] <FemaleWoWGuild> jelly, is there a description somewhere of how something goes from tree to "lets automate the signing of it"?
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• 1960[11:27:59] <FemaleWoWGuild> jelly, my concern is with the integrity of repo keys lately
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• 1963[11:28:14] <FemaleWoWGuild> jelly, not because of any suspected compromise -- just as a general audit
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• 1966[11:29:38] <qwebirc728167> any one can help me ?
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• 1970[11:30:31] <jelly> qwebirc728167: ask in #netfilter channel about reference documentation for linux routing.
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• 1972[11:30:50] <jelly> I thought of pointing you to lartc.org but that seems just evil
• 1973[11:30:53] <qwebirc728167> ok thanks :)
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• 1975[11:31:48] <ransur0t> qwebirc728167: replaced-url
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• 1977[11:32:26] <qwebirc728167> thanks ransur0t :)
• 1978[11:33:06] <winterss> hi
• 1979[11:33:12] <winterss> hi qwe
• 1980[11:33:14] <winterss> how are you?
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• 2011[11:48:28] <oty> hey
• 2012[11:49:15] <oty> is there an apt feature to know wether ther is upgrades availables or should I each time run "update" then "upgrade -s" that I parse to know ?
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• 2015[11:52:39] <doublehp> oty update will be mandatory; and then i think upgrade -s is probably the best way (but there are alternatives for this part)
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• 2024[11:55:07] <eviltoaster> Hi, Can you get "showmount --export" information for NFS4 or is this impossible?
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• 2026[11:55:26] <eviltoaster> looks like this is only working for version 1,2,3
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• 2098[12:32:48] <doublehp> is it possible to have -y refuse to remove any package, even if not essential
• 2099[12:32:56] <doublehp> for aptitude of apt-get
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• 2106[12:35:38] <babilen> doublehp: When you do what?
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• 2108[12:36:42] <doublehp> auto installation of packages; I need -Y to add deps; but it may also remove stuff silently; won't remove essential, but may remove non essential
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• 2110[12:37:54] <babilen> doublehp: Which provisioning system are you using?
• 2111[12:38:01] <doublehp> ?
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• 2113[12:38:16] <babilen> Tools such as Saltstack, Ansible, Puppet, ...
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• 2115[12:38:23] <doublehp> none
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• 2118[12:39:11] <babilen> Package removals during the installation of other packages are typically for a very good reason. What is the actual issue you are trying to fix?
• 2119[12:39:42] <babilen> You might like to look into one of the aforementions tools if you want to perform further configuration of those boxes
• 2120[12:40:42] <doublehp> whatever the reason, I want aptitude to abord if any
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• 2122[12:41:02] <babilen> But you can look into "--no-remove"
• 2123[12:41:29] <doublehp> THAT is what i want
• 2124[12:42:05] <babilen> (apt-get)
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• 2140[12:53:28] <jez9999_> Hello, I am upgrading my system from squeeze to wheezy.
• 2141[12:53:37] <jez9999_> I'm trying to setup my APT sources list
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• 2146[12:54:28] <jez9999_> now, in my old one, i had 3 lines. one was for deb squeeze, one was for deb-src squeeze, and one was for the squeeze-lts
• 2147[12:54:59] <jez9999_> im wondering what i need to replace those with for an upgrade to wheezy. given that wheezy is not the current debian version, do i need the wheezy-lts yet?
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• 2150[12:56:45] <babilen> jez9999_: That's documented in replaced-url
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• 2152[12:56:56] <babilen> You'd obviously remove the entries for squeeze-lts
• 2153[12:57:00] <themill> wheezy-lts is just a continuation of wheezy/updates (the normal security archive)
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• 2157[12:57:41] <jez9999_> themill: so, given that im planning on then going from wheezy -> jessie, do i need wheezy-lts
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• 2159[12:57:48] <babilen> You don't
• 2160[12:58:00] <jez9999_> do i need deb-src stuff?
• 2161[12:58:03] <babilen> Just follow the release notes and you should be fine.
• 2162[12:58:08] <jez9999_> well i have been following them
• 2163[12:58:18] <jez9999_> frankly i don't think the apt sources section is very clear
• 2164[12:58:18] <babilen> jez9999_: Do you need access to source packages?
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• 2166[12:58:36] <jez9999_> babilien: maybe, i dunno, i just put it in there for good measure i think
• 2167[12:58:38] <jelly> deb-src lines are not relevant during the release upgrade process
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• 2169[12:59:04] <babilen> jez9999_: You can remove them or leave them in, it doesn't matter during the upgrade.
• 2170[12:59:08] <doublehp> can ssh key files like /root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub be affected by endian across platforms ?
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• 2172[12:59:28] <jelly> doublehp: no. Unless something is buggy.
• 2173[12:59:31] <doublehp> i would like to generate files on x86 for arm/risc ...
• 2174[12:59:48] <babilen> You should be able to deploy keys from x86 for arm
• 2175[13:00:09] * babilen still thinks that you might want to look into one of the aforementioned tools
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• 2177[13:00:25] <doublehp> babilen: I have written to check them later
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• 2179[13:00:57] <doublehp> but I have 8h to complete a particulat thing; I can't divert now
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• 2182[13:03:09] <jez9999_> ok so far i have this in my sources.list:
• 2183[13:03:15] <jez9999_> deb replaced-url
• 2184[13:03:16] <jez9999_> deb-src replaced-url
• 2185[13:03:45] <jez9999_> is that ok? and so i need wheezy/updates, or wheezy-updates ('volatile'), or anything else?
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• 2188[13:03:53] <jez9999_> *do i
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• 2196[13:07:23] <lawrence-paralla> Hey, has anyone got any experience mounting disk images as a specific user?
• 2197[13:07:36] <lawrence-paralla> They're ext4 and annoyingly I can't override the permissions
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• 2201[13:08:39] <jelly> lawrence-paralla: that's because ext4 actually has unix users and permissions. You can chown as root if needed, but that will be a permanent change.
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• 2206[13:09:02] <jez9999_> Anyone???
• 2207[13:09:04] <lawrence-paralla> Yeah I know - the issue is we create the disk images on a build server
• 2208[13:09:20] <lawrence-paralla> And the UIDs aren't always going to match up :(
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• 2210[13:09:42] <jelly> then fix the uid generation workflow so they match?
• 2211[13:09:44] <lawrence-paralla> They're mounted read-only as they live on an NFS volume and are mounted by many web servers
• 2212[13:09:59] <lawrence-paralla> I guess that could work
• 2213[13:10:01] <jelly> or figure out how to use nfs4 and uid/gid mapping
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• 2217[13:10:38] <lawrence-paralla> They're typically small disk images (sparse, only around 50 - 150MB) but have lots of little files on them so trying to avoid lots of small I/O requests
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• 2219[13:10:41] <lawrence-paralla> Hence the DMGs
• 2220[13:10:45] <jelly> I've only noticed nfs4 has some "idmapd" thing but no idea how it works
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• 2222[13:11:21] <lawrence-paralla> I did see bindfs but I'd still be leaving the disk images mounted somewhere that other users can read
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• 2226[13:13:23] <doublehp> how do i tell ssh-keygen to change the user for the key ? replaced-url
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• 2278[13:31:56] <doublehp> ssh-keygen -C :)
• 2279[13:33:05] <lawrence-paralla> Figured it out - make the parent directory for the mount owned by the user
• 2280[13:33:11] <lawrence-paralla> Then other users can't access the contents :)
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• 2285[13:34:10] <jelly> lawrence-paralla: taking away the effective +x permission on the parent makes it inaccessible
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• 2287[13:34:23] <lawrence-paralla> Yeah
• 2288[13:34:29] <lawrence-paralla> Seems secure, any gotchas?
• 2289[13:35:04] <jelly> if you don't take their effective r and w they can access files _if_ they know the exact path
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• 2293[13:36:35] <lawrence-paralla> Hmmm
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• 2295[13:36:47] <jelly> so if the parent is 0700 and owned by you, that's safe from everyone except root
• 2296[13:36:48] <lawrence-paralla> I'm getting permission denied as a different user to the one that's used on the parent
• 2297[13:37:12] <lawrence-paralla> Yeah, I've got it 500, owned by user 1, then user 2 can't seem to access even if they know full path
• 2298[13:37:15] <lawrence-paralla> Which is what I wanted
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• 2300[13:37:17] <lawrence-paralla> :)
• 2301[13:37:23] <lawrence-paralla> Thanks for your insight!
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• 2376[14:10:27] <ichirinohana> hello
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• 2378[14:10:49] <ichirinohana> i'm running into an issue getting debian's broadcom-sta-dkms drivers to work on my macbook air 2013
• 2379[14:11:18] <ichirinohana> has anyone else run into an issue where when they try to bring the interface up, they just get spammed with "wl0: link up (wlan0)"?
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• 2385[14:13:59] <winsen1> Hi all, is it enough to get internet access automatically without NM nor wicd...? replaced-url
• 2386[14:14:27] <winsen1> I mean is it correct?
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• 2392[14:16:17] <ichirinohana> winsen1, why would it be incorrect?
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• 2394[14:17:53] <winsen1> It's a question? because I can not get access automatically untill I do it manually such as ifup ifdown..
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• 2397[14:18:23] <[Saint]> 'ello.
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• 2399[14:18:27] <[Saint]> ANy idea on:
• 2400[14:18:29] <[Saint]> replaced-url
• 2401[14:18:46] <[Saint]> weird unmet dependency chain encountered just not with wget on stretch
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• 2404[14:19:17] <[Saint]> (inb4 'ha ha - stretch - you deserve it, ...yeah, I know)
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• 2409[14:25:45] <MikeSeth> [Saint]: that is -probably- a bug, but double check your apt sources
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• 2439[14:43:36] <[Saint]> there appears to be something very wrong with that machine. but for the moment everything I depend on on it is alive, and it is up...so there's some debate regarding laziness going on here.
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• 2443[14:45:05] <[Saint]> but, thanks - yeah, I just actually bothered chasing down the dependency chain of what it thinks is missing and it is pure bonkers. despite repeatedly kicking apt in the bum a few times, so something rather more serious is afoot.
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• 2469[14:55:54] <WormFood> Xorg: page allocation failure: order:5, mode:0x2040d0 <-- this would infer that I'm out of RAM? (this is from my log files)
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• 2471[14:56:28] <RoyK> WormFood: anyting interesting in dmesg?
• 2472[14:56:56] <WormFood> that, plus a lot of other crap associated with it, of course. Nothing that would lead me to the root cause of this issue.
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• 2474[14:58:57] <WormFood> RoyK, I strongly suspect this issue is related to the video drivers, but I'm not positive.
• 2475[14:59:48] <RoyK> no idea, but you'll get those errors for OOM related things too
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• 2479[15:00:48] <WormFood> this particular machine has 64 gigs of ram, so I seriously doubt it's really out of ram. Maybe a memory leak or something, but not legitimately out of ram.
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• 2481[15:01:14] <Adrien__> hi
• 2482[15:01:38] <RoyK> WormFood: check 'free'
• 2483[15:02:46] <Adrien__> i've a question about the sleeping mode, i've debian minimal installed and i want my computer never go sleeping but i don't find how to,...
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• 2485[15:04:01] <RoyK> Adrien__: do you mean the screensaver?
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• 2487[15:04:33] <Adrien__> no, sleeping mode and hibernation
• 2488[15:04:48] <Adrien__> i'm verry sorry for my english,... i'm french
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• 2492[15:05:09] <RoyK> Adrien__: is this a laptop_
• 2493[15:05:10] <RoyK> ?
• 2494[15:05:21] <SecretMan> yeah
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• 2496[15:05:35] <Adrien__> no it's a fix
• 2497[15:05:48] <SecretMan> Hi
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• 2500[15:06:25] <RoyK> Adrien__: well, then it should never hibernate anyway - but it'll have a screensaver (or two)
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• 2504[15:07:10] <Adrien__> and how can i delete that? i wanna he stay powered on and ready to go
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• 2522[15:14:40] <Adrien__> do you know how to?
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• 2532[15:19:50] <zifxify> good afternoon, can someone point me to the correct syntax to execute rsync from ~/.profile only if there's not already another login shell active ?
• 2533[15:20:05] <avb> hey guys, anyone is booting linux kernel from UEFI without a bootloader here?
• 2534[15:20:26] <avb> efibootmgr -c -d /dev/nvme0n1 -p 1 -L "debian 3" -l '\EFI\debian\kernel.efi' -u 'initrd=\initrd.img root=UUID=468d7e65-1b46-4ee6-80ab-a585289e91bf ro quiet pcie_aspm=force i915.enable_rc6=7 rootfstype=ext4'
• 2535[15:20:42] <WormFood> RoyK, free suggests I have 32 gig of free ram
• 2536[15:20:43] <avb> kernel boots just fine, but sees it cant find initrd
• 2537[15:20:48] <avb> seems*
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• 2539[15:21:18] <WormFood> avb, what format is the file system for your initrd?
• 2540[15:21:31] <WormFood> I mean, where the initrd is stored
• 2541[15:21:44] <avb> WormFood: standart vfat
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• 2544[15:22:00] <missmbob> zifxify: try #bash
• 2545[15:22:02] <WormFood> perhaps you need to give it a fuller path?
• 2546[15:22:17] <avb> WormFood: i have tried many variations :)
• 2547[15:22:35] <WormFood> so, it's loading the kernel ok, then it panics?
• 2548[15:22:46] <avb> right
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• 2550[15:22:53] <avb> cant mout root fs
• 2551[15:23:07] <avb> and i do not see any messages from initrd stuff
• 2552[15:23:20] <avb> unknown block
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• 2554[15:23:38] <WormFood> hhhmmm...interesting
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• 2556[15:23:50] <missmbob> zifxify: basically though you want to use pgrep to see if it's running. something like this replaced-url
• 2557[15:23:59] <jelly> avb: remove the "quiet" option for a start
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• 2559[15:24:06] <WormFood> avb, I think I know
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• 2561[15:24:26] <jelly> avb: which debian release are you trying to boot?
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• 2564[15:24:40] <avb> jelly: testing
• 2565[15:24:50] <WormFood> initrd has to be loaded by the boot loader. You're passing the initrd as an option to the kernel, instead of handing it off to the bootloader
• 2566[15:25:03] <jelly> avb: then you don't need rootfstype=ext4 either, that was needed maybe around debian 6
• 2567[15:25:08] <WormFood> at least, that's my guess, based on what I'm seeing.
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• 2570[15:26:04] <avb> jelly: you are right, let me try to remove quite :) i were experimenting with bunch of options :)
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• 2572[15:27:55] <jelly> avb: also, this won't work with a default debian kernel I think -- vfat support is not built in
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• 2574[15:29:04] <WormFood> it doesn't need vfat support to work
• 2575[15:29:06] <avb> jelly: how can I load it from ext* then? :)
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• 2578[15:29:19] <avb> efibootmgr -c -d /dev/nvme0n1 -p 1 -L "debian 4" -l '\EFI\debian\kernel.efi' -u 'initrd=\EFI\debian\initrd.img root=UUID=468d7e65-1b46-4ee6-80ab-a585289e91bf ro'
• 2579[15:29:24] <jelly> debian kernel setup expects initramfs to be already present in memory when control is passed to the kernel. Can UEFI firmware do that on its own?
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• 2581[15:29:31] <avb> thats what i want to try now
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• 2585[15:29:57] <jelly> WormFood: _something_ has to load the initrd from somewhere.
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• 2587[15:30:04] <WormFood> jelly, that efibootmgr is supposed to be the tool to make it work
• 2588[15:30:34] <avb> loooking around for options i do not see anything witch will ask to do something like that
• 2589[15:30:37] <jelly> WormFood: how does it tell the firmware to load initrd?
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• 2592[15:31:16] <avb> replaced-url
• 2593[15:31:30] <avb> thats where this part is described
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• 2596[15:31:58] <avb> i believe UEFI wont prepload anything but new kernel option will do tht
• 2597[15:32:02] <avb> that*
• 2598[15:32:23] <avb> CONFIG_EFI_STUB=y
• 2599[15:32:33] <jelly> avb: where exactly did you put the initrmfs image?
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• 2603[15:33:34] <avb> jelly, just in case i placed it in / and \EFI\debian\
• 2604[15:34:08] <jelly> both on the efi boot partition presumably
• 2605[15:34:11] <avb> were trying to set path to both of them, but both have faild
• 2606[15:34:15] <avb> right
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• 2608[15:34:58] <avb> sorry for the typos, dell keybord after old thinkpads are hard to manage
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• 2611[15:35:28] <jelly> that is why you get a SK-8855 ;-)
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• 2614[15:35:57] <avb> i have that one :)
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• 2617[15:36:19] <WormFood> avb, i'm pretty sure you need to use a linux boot loader. It appears that uefi has no way to load the initrd into ram. That is where the boot loader comes in. It would load initrd and the kernel, and then hand off control to the kernel, and continue to boot like normal (hopefully)
• 2618[15:36:28] <WormFood> avb, i'm pretty sure you need to use a linux boot loader. It appears that uefi has no way to load the initrd into ram. That is where the boot loader comes in. It would load initrd and the kernel, and then hand off control to the kernel, and continue to boot like normal (hopefully)
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• 2620[15:36:35] <WormFood> oops
• 2621[15:37:20] <jelly> /boot/config-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64:CONFIG_EFI_STUB=y
• 2622[15:37:30] <WormFood> if you're using efi_stub, then that is your bootloader
• 2623[15:37:33] <jelly> so presumably the stretch kernel still haves it as well
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• 2628[15:39:25] <WormFood> (U)EFI sounds awesome...on paper...but it's so complex, that there are a LOT of broken (U)EFI implementations out there. I still don't configure my machines to use UEFI
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• 2630[15:39:29] <avb> WormFood: i agree with you, byt i werre wondering why so many docs saying that its possible to do :)
• 2631[15:39:38] <WormFood> what docs?
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• 2633[15:39:45] <avb> replaced-url
• 2634[15:39:51] <avb> this one for example
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• 2637[15:40:08] <WormFood> first sentence "Since Wheezy, Debian kernel on x86 contain their own *BootLoader* called EFI stub."
• 2638[15:40:21] <avb> right
• 2639[15:40:25] <WormFood> you were asking to do it without a bootloader. It's not possible.
• 2640[15:40:32] <WormFood> uefi doesn't support that
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• 2642[15:40:39] <WormFood> which is why you must use a bootloader
• 2643[15:40:42] <avb> *debian kernel*
• 2644[15:41:03] <WormFood> *BootLoader* :P
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• 2646[15:41:12] <jelly> judd: kconfig EFI_STUB --release stretch
• 2647[15:41:13] <judd> Searching for 'EFI_STUB' in stretch kernel config gives EFI_STUB=y.
• 2648[15:41:20] <jelly> WormFood: it's there.
• 2649[15:41:24] <jelly> let's move on...
• 2650[15:41:26] <WormFood> I think you mean, without extra packages, and not without a bootloader.
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• 2656[15:43:07] <jelly> avb: you're doing this to try things out or because the usual grub-efi stuff fails?
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• 2659[15:43:42] <eviltoaster> How do i turn of network file system version 1,2,3 to only use version 4 in debian, non of the examples are working :(
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• 2663[15:44:44] <WormFood> eviltoaster, you're using NFSv1 and NFSv2?
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• 2667[15:45:44] <eviltoaster> WormFood: i'm trying to only use version 4, if possible
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• 2671[15:46:22] <WormFood> I know, but you asked how to turn them off. I'm asking if they're actually running?
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• 2677[15:47:43] <jelly> eviltoaster: first: are you trying to disable v1-3 on an nfs server or an nfs client?
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• 2679[15:48:00] <afx_> Hello ! Has anyone managed to install eclipse-neon with eclipse-installer on Debian 8 x64?
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• 2681[15:48:16] <rafalcpp> is program whiptail by default in all debian installations?
• 2682[15:48:17] <jelly> second: how are you checking for availability of a specific protocol version?
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• 2684[15:48:29] <eviltoaster> WormFood: yes
• 2685[15:48:35] <eviltoaster> jelly: server side
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• 2707[15:58:28] <SynrG> rafalcpp: apt-cache show whiptail | grep Priority:
• 2708[15:58:37] <indistylo> Announcing: crossposting
• 2709[15:58:38] <indistylo> I am trying to copy whole content of the file in vim, what is the command ? i tried :%y+ ; it says E850: Invalid Register name
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• 2711[15:58:53] <SynrG> rafalcpp: it is priority 'important', so normally it is installed, but it is not guaranteed to be installed.
• 2712[15:59:28] <SynrG> rafalcpp: for example, a base debian install (uncheck the 'standard' package selection option) could create a Debian system without it
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• 2724[16:01:30] <SynrG> rafalcpp: reference: replaced-url
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• 2736[16:05:14] <rafalcpp> tahnks
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• 2741[16:05:39] <miesco> Hi. How do I view powerpoint slides?
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• 2744[16:06:17] <avb> jelly: MrFrood seems its is still possible but problem is that dell uefi doesnt pass parameters :)
• 2745[16:06:35] <Rust3dCor3> miesco: with libreoffice --impress ?
• 2746[16:06:46] <miesco> Rust3dCor3: But it is broken
• 2747[16:06:56] <miesco> Rust3dCor3: I mean it doesn't convert correctly at all
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• 2749[16:07:23] <Rust3dCor3> miesco: You talk about images and text transitions ?
• 2750[16:07:39] <miesco> Rust3dCor3: yea
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• 2756[16:08:57] <Rust3dCor3> miesco: i've found sozi, apache openoffice and latex beamer and proposer
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• 2758[16:09:15] <SynrG> or if you have no objection to the non-freeness of it, google.
• 2759[16:09:42] <AbstractArtist> Best desktop environment?
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• 2762[16:10:08] <SynrG> !best
• 2763[16:10:09] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
• 2764[16:10:10] <Rust3dCor3> AbstractArtist: it depends what you are looking for
• 2765[16:10:19] <miesco> Rust3dCor3: latex beamer can read .ppt?
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• 2768[16:10:38] <Rust3dCor3> miasco: i've found it by google but never used it
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• 2770[16:11:38] <Rust3dCor3> miesco: optionally you could convert the ppt format to pdf :/
• 2771[16:11:52] <AbstractArtist> !bestest
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• 2773[16:12:37] <Rust3dCor3> !ass
• 2774[16:12:37] <dpkg> ass is, like, what you're sitting on, the thing that you're riding, possibly the thing you're admiring.
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• 2776[16:12:52] <AbstractArtist> :-)
• 2777[16:13:07] <rafalcpp> How to make installer of my program (in bash) to allow user foo to run /bin/bar as root? should I just create /etc/sudoers.d/myprogramuniquename file with the sudoers line in it?
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• 2781[16:13:59] <miesco> Should I ask my teacher to send as pdf so everyone can get a chance to learn?
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• 2786[16:15:00] <miesco> as opposed to ppt
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• 2788[16:15:17] <rafalcpp> miesco: I would ask him if that's possible, if opening ppt in LibreOffice doesn't work
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• 2790[16:15:35] <WormFood> I never understood why people used powerpoint for distributing information that isn't used as a presentation.
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• 2793[16:16:11] <miesco> WormFood: Well it is lecture slides
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• 2795[16:16:26] <han-solo> for exams, probably. Short points, that you can make up stuff with :)
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• 2798[16:17:34] <WormFood> oh, so the teacher is distributing their raw lecture, in powerpoint format?
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• 2800[16:18:05] <WormFood> It seems a good teacher would put that info in a "universal" format, like pdf
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• 2805[16:18:39] <miesco> rafalcpp: Perhaps I should ask if she can export the slides to pdf format as it is a more portable, universal format, otherwise I will have to go to the library computer teach weak to convert the slides to pdf, put a usb drive, and then transfer to my computer?
• 2806[16:19:02] <PvFFY> all depends
• 2807[16:19:26] <PvFFY> most universal for just text seems txt or rtf format
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• 2809[16:19:44] <miesco> PvFFY: Well its pictures and text
• 2810[16:19:52] <PvFFY> ow
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• 2812[16:20:00] <PvFFY> pdf is better indeed
• 2813[16:20:32] <rafalcpp> miesco: yeah I would ask
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• 2815[16:21:04] <jelly> eviltoaster: and how are you checking for availability of a specific protocol version?
• 2816[16:21:20] <rafalcpp> miesco: public schools are there primairly to teach people to be obedient. Fight the power, especially when you're correct in requesting this :) (Unless it's private schoold then even more, you're the customer)
• 2817[16:21:31] <miesco> rafalcpp: Okay. I already asked once and she said I have to work out a way to use Microsoft Word as all my assignments have to be submitted in word documents.
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• 2820[16:22:00] <miesco> rafalcpp: Its a university and I pay $10000 a year
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• 2823[16:22:18] <miesco> Well, I guess $8000 a year
• 2824[16:22:25] <rafalcpp> miesco: lol, I would totally request it then. It's unprofessional imo to still give out shitty ppts
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• 2827[16:22:57] <curtis22> ms word can open .odt documents
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• 2829[16:23:25] <rafalcpp> miesco: I would told her that it takes just a second, and allows users on other devices to do it. If not then just a classmate could convert it for you
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• 2836[16:24:52] <Johann> miesco: you can try wps, it isn't opensource but it's free (as in you don't have to pay) and it works on linux and it might have a better support of those specific document than libreoffice
• 2837[16:25:03] <miesco> rafalcpp: I just tried google docs to convert. It shows up messed up in the Google Slides, but when converted to pdf, it is not bad.
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• 2844[16:25:55] <miesco> Only thing is I can't batch convert in bash...
• 2845[16:26:02] <OneM_Industries> So.. I think my server has finally kicked the bucket. It keeps repeating the first part of this over and over, with the second part every few messages. replaced-url
• 2846[16:26:14] <miesco> I have to use.... a mouse...
• 2847[16:26:36] <rafalcpp> miesco: btw you could run a windows in a VM. often students get access to windows for free anyway
• 2848[16:26:45] <leba2> Hello. I was once told that, unlike other distros, Debian did not need other repositories other than the normal default 3 in sources.list. But then, what are these ones for? replaced-url
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• 2851[16:26:55] <rafalcpp> miesco: on debian e.g. kvm VM is fine. there is also easier GUI virtualbox
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• 2853[16:27:27] <Johann> miesco: plus you might have luck with office online, i don't know how well it works but it should have a better support of office document than google doc
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• 2858[16:28:21] <miesco> I guess dying isn't all that bad
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• 2870[16:30:15] <OneM_Industries> Anyone have any ideas about that message?
• 2871[16:30:31] <OneM_Industries> Because it has been doing that for the last couple hours.
• 2872[16:30:33] <leba2> jelly: hello?
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• 2874[16:31:05] <miesco> I think Google Docs convert will work fine. I just have to use a gui and a mouse is all.
• 2875[16:31:22] <jmcnaught> leba2: which ones are you asking about?
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• 2877[16:31:44] <OneM_Industries> miesco: That isn't so bad.
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• 2879[16:32:01] <OneM_Industries> GUIs are nice.
• 2880[16:32:33] <miesco> OneM_Industries: Maybe for drawing applications where a mouse might be beneficial
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• 2882[16:32:51] <leba2> jmcnaught: the ones mentioned here replaced-url
• 2883[16:32:58] <han-solo> let's thank xerox then
• 2884[16:33:01] <OneM_Industries> ^
• 2885[16:33:06] <jmcnaught> leba2: be more specific
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• 2889[16:34:14] <OneM_Industries> GUIs are everywhere.
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• 2891[16:34:35] <OneM_Industries> Ah ha. Fixed the server.
• 2892[16:35:24] <leba2> jmcnaught: multimedia, backports, mozilla, chrome
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• 2896[16:36:03] <jmcnaught> !tell leba2 -about dmm
• 2897[16:36:07] <jmcnaught> !tell leba2 -about mdn
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• 2899[16:36:16] <jmcnaught> !tell leba2 -about bpo
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• 2901[16:36:41] <jmcnaught> leba2: you can ask google about their chrome repo, Debian provides chromium
• 2902[16:36:52] <miesco> OneM_Industries: I guess they can be useful
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• 2905[16:37:21] <OneM_Industries> miesco: Also, I've found that I am faster with a mouse than with keyboard shortcuts.
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• 2909[16:37:48] <OneM_Industries> (But that is me personally, so..)
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• 2911[16:37:55] <miesco> OneM_Industries: What do you use more?
• 2912[16:38:03] <OneM_Industries> Hm...
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• 2915[16:38:13] <miesco> OneM_Industries: Surely keyboard shortcuts have potential to be faster
• 2916[16:38:25] <OneM_Industries> Not with a trackball.
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• 2918[16:38:47] <OneM_Industries> With practice, you can "glide" the cursor.
• 2919[16:39:13] * OneM_Industries does a load of CAD
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• 2921[16:40:13] <leba2> jmcnaught: so if I wanted a more recent firefox version I would indeed need to add mozilla.debian.net? However, for all multimedia related stuff, I should be ok with normal default 3 repos i nsources.list as long as I enable non-free?
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• 2924[16:40:22] <OneM_Industries> Anyway, I've used a computer with just a mouse, and with just a keyboard, and I have to say, I preferred the keyboard in that case.
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• 2934[16:42:31] <colo-work> afair it does
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• 2936[16:42:52] <jmcnaught> leba2: yes Debian provides just about every codec you'll ever need. don't use deb-multimedia. Try to use official debian documentation or pages from the debian wiki, not random blog posts. Random blog posts often have bad advice.
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• 2940[16:43:47] <OneM_Industries> However, it was still..not fun. When using a modern OS with a GUI, I would recommend a mouse. Not all applications have keyboard shortcuts, or sensible ones for that matter...(Looking at you, matlab...Ctrl+W is *NOT* supposed to be copy...)
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• 2947[16:45:19] <leba2> jmcnaught: so if I wanted a more recent firefox version I would indeed need to add mozilla.debian.net? Regarding wine, would I need to add yet another repo, or Debian just ships it good as well?
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• 2950[16:46:25] <WormFood> debian doesn't ship with firefox
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• 2954[16:48:13] <jmcnaught> WormFood: your information is out of date
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• 2956[16:48:31] <doublehp> heart ICeWeasel is al alias for Firefox
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• 2958[16:48:57] <jmcnaught> leba2: mozilla.debian.net is fine to use, it is run by the Debian Mozilla package maintainers.
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• 2962[16:49:33] <jmcnaught> leba2: don't be one of those dingdongs that adds a dozen third party repos and then breaks their package manager: replaced-url
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• 2964[16:49:54] <WormFood> IceWeasel != Firefox
• 2965[16:50:03] <iflema> the standalone binary for firefox, from mozilla, will update itself automagically
• 2966[16:50:10] <jmcnaught> WormFood: replaced-url
• 2967[16:50:54] <jmcnaught> iflema: not a very good solution for Debian, generally here it's better to encourage installing firefox from the Debian packages
• 2968[16:51:16] <iflema> Ice Weasel is fine
• 2969[16:51:18] <leba2> jmcnaught: believe me, I *really* don't want to do that. But I was kind of searching for general info around to support and be more sure about the fact of the 3 normal repos being just enough, until I saw mozilla.debian.net. And I thought "if there's this one, there may be other ones!"
• 2970[16:51:51] <leba2> Which led me to the wine inquiry.
• 2971[16:52:02] <jmcnaught> leba2: mozilla.d.n is the only one i would use unless you _really_ can't do without some piece of software. try to do what you need to with what Debian provides
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• 2974[16:52:42] <jmcnaught> iflema: in case you've been under a rock for a couple of months, Debian no longer distributes iceweasel, it's back to calling it firefox again
• 2975[16:52:43] <leba2> jmcnaught: so in summary, mozilla.debian.net would indeed the "only exception"...
• 2976[16:52:54] <leba2> at all
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• 2978[16:53:58] <jmcnaught> leba2: if you start using repos not managed by Debian maintainers, you can easily end up with package conflicts and inability to upgrade. Use them with caution, avoid them when possible
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• 2980[16:55:01] <leba2> jmcnaught: then I'd liek to try one *last* doubt regarding this topic. Are there other debian repos managed by debian maintainers other than mozilla?
• 2981[16:55:04] <leba2> *like
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• 2987[16:57:28] <greathector7> hello i need help about a configuration on debian
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• 2993[16:58:37] <avb> WormFood: so i ended up having a bug :)
• 2994[16:58:46] <avb> but it is possible to load initrd :)
• 2995[16:59:05] <iflema> jmcnaught: havnt used debian for years. *pi dont count... Ubuntu even longer.
• 2996[16:59:08] <WormFood> in what way (to load)?
• 2997[16:59:08] <EmleyMoor> Hmm - "Educating Yorkshire" on SVT2
• 2998[16:59:21] <WormFood> you're using the bootloader built into the kernel, right?
• 2999[16:59:31] <avb> WormFood: yes
• 3000[16:59:35] <stoned> There is a bootloader in the kernel?
• 3001[16:59:44] <WormFood> EFI_STUB
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• 3003[17:00:03] <WormFood> Glad you were able to get it working avb
• 3004[17:00:15] <avb> i havent managed to run it, but seems thats what it is
• 3005[17:00:27] <EmleyMoor> Called "The School" in their schedule
• 3006[17:00:35] <avb> i might try efibootmgr from git, but im too lazy to compile it now
• 3007[17:00:37] <WormFood> stoned, since the uefi boot process can't load the initrd image, it must use a bootloader to load the kernel and initrd
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• 3009[17:00:47] <jmcnaught> leba2: what are you missing? worry about collecting all the repos when you need some software that's not in Debian
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• 3011[17:01:14] <leba2> ok, thanks
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• 3013[17:01:19] <stoned> WormFood: efi boot stub is only for the kernel to be 1) loaded by the efi fw as an efi executble, or another bootloader.
• 3014[17:01:23] <jmcnaught> leba2: most people find that they can get by just fine with the software included in Debian. If you find something missing, look for a repo at that point, or compile it from source
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• 3016[17:01:26] <stoned> afaik, kernels don't contain bootloaders.
• 3017[17:01:27] <avb> in the end its too few benefits for so many work efforts :)
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• 3020[17:01:46] <WormFood> stoned, right, but it is in fact a bootloader
• 3021[17:01:55] <stoned> English is terrible.
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• 3023[17:01:59] <stoned> How's China?
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• 3025[17:02:06] <WormFood> It's still here.
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• 3031[17:03:24] <WormFood> I've been designing a new product. And China is amazing for that kinda stuff. I can relatively easily get prototypes made here (You know I'm an electronics tech/engineer, right?)
• 3032[17:03:35] <stoned> Yes
• 3033[17:03:43] <stoned> You are Dork Deluxe.
• 3034[17:03:45] <stoned> :)
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• 3037[17:04:47] <leba2> In another thing, I installed ntp on Debian 8.5, but I need it to start *after* the samba-ad-dc service when Debian is booting. I tried editing /run/systemd/generator.late/ntp.service and adding "samba-ad-dc.service" in the "After=" line. But either systemctl daemon-reload and rebooting only set ntp.service to its original state, destroying changes.
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• 3039[17:05:09] <leba2> Also, systemctl edit command is not available for Debian 8.5
• 3040[17:05:39] <WormFood> I found ntp to be unreliable. It was constantly getting out of sync. So I switched to chrony (I think that's spelled correctly)
• 3041[17:06:10] <leba2> Ok, thanks, but that's not the point, the point is services not taking changes
• 3042[17:07:17] <missmbob> WormFood: if using chrony you might wanna look at replaced-url
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• 3045[17:08:01] <andril> o/
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• 3047[17:09:26] <WormFood> missmbob, that looks like it could be interesting. I know ntp has quite a bit of overhead, to be accurate.
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• 3049[17:10:04] <leba2> Does anyone know about my services issue?
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• 3057[17:13:49] <TestingIRC> can I bring my bot here ?
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• 3061[17:15:11] <jmcnaught> TestingIRC: no, make a new channel to test your bot
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• 3064[17:15:37] <TestingIRC> jmcnaught: it will not speak, it just sits and log everything
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• 3068[17:16:50] <WormFood> check the channel topic. The channel is already being logged.
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• 3071[17:18:15] <wsky> are debian default ntp servers just redirects to other ntp hosts?
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• 3075[17:19:49] <greathector7> hello i had a instalation on debian 8.5 with apache+mysql+php5 but a cant activate the short_open_tag on it, my php.ini is= replaced-url
• 3076[17:20:45] <greathector7> anyone can help me
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• 3085[17:25:56] <colo-work> greathector7, line 152: "short_open_tag = On" - line 203: "short_open_tag = Off"
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• 3088[17:26:15] <colo-work> the seetings are probably evaluated in order, so get rid of the second, and it should be fine
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• 3092[17:27:12] <greathector7> ???
• 3093[17:27:22] <greathector7> ok i ssek that
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• 3110[17:31:17] <nicksloan> what happens to a file that was in a package at version X, but which is not in a package at version Y?
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• 3112[17:32:23] <WormFood> that depends on what type of file it is, and what options you're using with the package manager. For example configuration files are not usually deleted when a program is uninstalled, but they are deleted when it's "purged"
• 3113[17:33:27] <WormFood> in normal situations like you describe, in an update, those files would be removed.
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• 3116[17:34:14] <nicksloan> WormFood: yeah, we're talking code here. Sounds good
• 3117[17:34:18] <nicksloan> that's what I was hoping
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• 3123[17:36:45] <eSa|> my sound card: Aug 18 17:29:02 matsui kernel: [ 15.248575] snd_ice1712 0000:01:06.0: Consumer PCM code does not work well at the moment --jk
• 3124[17:36:48] <eSa|> :(
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• 3136[17:43:04] <jelly> wsky: because that's what ntp people say is preferred default setup.
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• 3138[17:43:38] <wsky> jelly: so it's just a redirect to non-debian hosts, right?
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• 3140[17:43:53] <wsky> as in not debian project related
• 3141[17:44:01] <jelly> wsky: replaced-url
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• 3147[17:45:38] <wsky> jelly: what do you want to tell my by this?
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• 3151[17:46:42] <dminuoso> Hi. Im wondering about information how GCC is exactly configured and compiled for the debian package. Can someone point me in the right direction?
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• 3158[17:47:49] <jelly> wsky: it's an explanation of why debian's default servers look what they look like.
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• 3160[17:48:11] <WormFood> dminuoso, did you install the source package for it?
• 3161[17:48:27] <jelly> wsky: the public pool of ntp servers is not maintained by the debian project, it's a separate project.
• 3162[17:49:11] <dminuoso> WormFood: I don't even have debian. Im busy porting GCC to a custom target, but there's some subtle weirdness about include paths, which the debian package seems to have resolved - but I cant figure out how or why.
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• 3165[17:50:07] <wsky> jelly: ok. so the debian servers specified in the ntp.conf redirect to other servers. RIGHT?
• 3166[17:50:08] <WormFood> dminuoso, then install debian, and check it out.
• 3167[17:50:24] <dminuoso> WormFood: It's binary and already compiled.
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• 3169[17:50:26] <dminuoso> It's the big issue I have.
• 3170[17:50:30] <johnfg> hi folks
• 3171[17:50:39] <dminuoso> WormFood: Or does debian have the ability to compile packages from source?
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• 3174[17:50:49] <greycat> dminuoso: does this help: replaced-url
• 3175[17:51:01] <jelly> wsky: they always point to some servers in the public pool.ntp.org, yes
• 3176[17:51:03] <johnfg> I was offline on my main debian server for quite a while, due to a move and some equipment change.
• 3177[17:51:06] <putti_> dminuoso, you can also checkout the source for the debian package from debian's git repos
• 3178[17:51:10] <dminuoso> greycat: Sadly no.
• 3179[17:51:11] <greycat> dminuoso: Debian doesn't compile from upstream tarballs. It compiles from Debian-patched sources.
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• 3183[17:51:20] <dminuoso> greycat: That's exactly what Im looking for.
• 3184[17:51:33] <jelly> wsky: it's not "other servers" because there never was a set of separate servers just for debian
• 3185[17:51:35] <johnfg> I'm in another office now, and have changed my main record at the registrar to my dedicated ip.
• 3186[17:51:38] <dminuoso> greycat: I basically need to figure out the "custom touch" that debian has given GCC.
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• 3191[17:52:13] <johnfg> All seems to be ok with networking on the server itself, but not getting connections to the server from other machines.
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• 3194[17:52:33] <greycat> dminuoso: I guess you would start with replaced-url
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• 3197[17:53:12] <johnfg> I'm trying to think of anywhere else on the server that I need to enter that dedicated ip.
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• 3201[17:55:01] <dminuoso> greycat: That looks awesome. Can we take it one step back, how did you find this?
• 3202[17:55:04] <socomm> johnfg: is your server behind nat?
• 3203[17:55:14] <dminuoso> (It would be very sweet if I could do this with other packages/versions myself)
• 3204[17:55:21] <putti_> dminuoso, the svn logs might also give some tips: replaced-url
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• 3206[17:55:29] <greycat> dminuoso: from replaced-url
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• 3209[17:55:45] <greycat> Right side bar, under "Download Source Package"
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• 3211[17:55:57] <dminuoso> greycat: Ah I see it. Great.
• 3212[17:56:16] <johnfg> socomm, yes, so this machine is 192.168.0.107.
• 3213[17:56:31] <Cerebr0> Hi there ! What's up ?
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• 3215[17:57:11] <dminuoso> putti_: That is also very helpful. Thank you both putti_ and greycat - you have been helpful.
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• 3222[17:58:52] <johnfg> Maybe a simpler way to ask: what needs to be changed, on a server, when moving from Bldg. A to Bldg. B, when Bldg. B has a different ip?
• 3223[17:59:15] <Cerebr0> Wĥat is Putti ? (the software) Seen it a lot, never tested it
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• 3225[17:59:26] <WormFood> the building has an IP?
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• 3229[18:00:43] <WormFood> johnfg, I recommend you use grep -r in /etc, and search for your old IP address (cd /etc ; grep -r 192.168 .)
• 3230[18:00:44] <Putti> Cerebr0, svn = subversion ? Version control program
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• 3232[18:01:05] <Putti> Cerebr0, or my nick?
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• 3235[18:01:31] <johnfg> WormFood: I'll give that a try. I did that in /etc/network, but will do where you say.
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• 3240[18:02:16] <Cerebr0> Putti: The software in linux
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• 3243[18:02:36] <WormFood> johnfg, the details depends on what exactly you have configured. When I move my server, I have to change about a dozen things. It's actually fairly painless.
• 3244[18:02:40] <Cerebr0> Putti: Saw it a plenty of time in tutorials, but never knew what was his use
• 3245[18:02:41] <Putti> Cerebr0, maybe you mean putty, the ssh client?
• 3246[18:02:51] <Cerebr0> Putti: Aw yes xD
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• 3248[18:03:09] <Cerebr0> Putti: Ok, so it's just an ssh client ^^
• 3249[18:03:23] <Putti> Cerebr0, yup :)
• 3250[18:03:28] <WormFood> Cerebr0, don't just blindly follow tutorials. Try to figure out why they tell you to do something. (and don't forget, there are a ton of horrible tutorials out there)
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• 3259[18:04:22] <Cerebr0> WormFood: I never follow blindly tutorials, it's just that this one didn't interrested me so i didn't tried to know what was putty
• 3260[18:04:56] <eSa|> good ol' putty
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• 3262[18:05:01] <Cerebr0> WormFood: Today what i need most is experience
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• 3264[18:05:22] <WormFood> now that I have.
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• 3266[18:05:32] <sm00th> lolI never used putty just ssh from the cli
• 3267[18:05:35] <Cerebr0> WormFood: I wanna invest myself in OS developping and scripts, but i'm not old in this world :-P
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• 3269[18:05:56] <Cerebr0> sm00th: Yep' me too, dont know what are the differencies
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• 3271[18:06:16] <eSa|> Consumer PCM code does not work well at the moment --jk <- does it mean I can take off the card ?
• 3272[18:07:33] <sm00th> Cerebr0, I'm curious as well
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• 3286[18:13:44] <nicki> Hi, can I ask you a very basic sysadmin question as I searched the web and searched and tried out and searched...?
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• 3288[18:14:18] <nicki> Ho can I prevent Debian Jessie to automount all my devices?
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• 3291[18:14:26] <nicki> I tried udev rules - didn't worked
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• 3294[18:14:44] <nicki> maybe blacklisting autofs2?
• 3295[18:14:50] <WormFood> nicki, yeah, that drives me crazy too. It's a package. Automout or something. Just remove that.
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• 3297[18:15:03] <WormFood> I forget the exact name
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• 3299[18:15:18] <nicki> That could be a bug, isn't it? :)
• 3300[18:15:24] <WormFood> no
• 3301[18:15:28] <WormFood> it's a feature ;)
• 3302[18:15:28] <nicki> :(
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• 3305[18:15:51] <jelly> nicki: this is probablt handled and managed from the desktop environment used, not the low-level components like autofs
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• 3308[18:15:58] <han-solo> feature :)
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• 3310[18:16:27] <jelly> nicki: my kde only _asks_ to mount something when it detects a new block device ("disk"), but does not mount it automatically
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• 3312[18:16:55] <WormFood> I don't have autofs installed, so that probably is the right name.
• 3313[18:17:01] <jelly> nicki: which DE are you using?
• 3314[18:17:21] <nicki> jelly: Actually I do have Mate. There seems no option or the distro maintainer has removed it
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• 3318[18:17:46] <nicki> DE?
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• 3320[18:18:03] <WormFood> desktop environment
• 3321[18:18:08] <nicki> thanks
• 3322[18:18:08] <jelly> desktop environment. Mate is one of.
• 3323[18:18:19] <nicki> where can I stop automounting all the devices?
• 3324[18:18:22] <WormFood> kde, gnome, xfce, etc
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• 3327[18:18:39] <nicki> udev rules should be correct but they didn't seem to work for devices
• 3328[18:18:40] <WormFood> remove autofs package
• 3329[18:18:41] <han-solo> gnome?
• 3330[18:18:47] <jelly> let's see if there's an irc channel for Mate
• 3331[18:18:50] <jelly> !mate
• 3332[18:18:50] <dpkg> The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. replaced-url
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• 3334[18:19:06] <jelly> hmph, only an upstream one
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• 3337[18:19:28] <nicki> upstream one? What does it mean?
• 3338[18:19:33] <WormFood> how is Mate coming along? Has it gotten the developers it needs?
• 3339[18:19:47] <nicki> Ah, okay.
• 3340[18:19:52] <jelly> nicki: it means #mate is for all users of Mate and is not Debian specific
• 3341[18:20:20] <nicki> But automount is not mate specific
• 3342[18:20:28] <jelly> WormFood: I don't think autofs does what nicki is describing.
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• 3345[18:20:48] <nicki> can I blacklist autofs2?
• 3346[18:20:59] <jelly> nicki: I'm telling you it does not happen in kde on jessie.
• 3347[18:21:14] <jelly> so it's at least somewhat specific to mate.
• 3348[18:21:29] <Cerebr0> whois jamie-
• 3349[18:21:41] <jelly> or a default setting that I managed to disable and forgot.
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• 3351[18:21:41] <WormFood> I don't even want it to ask me. There are many, many, many times I don't want to mount the disk.
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• 3353[18:21:59] <WormFood> I want to not mount a disk often enough, that making it ask me to mount it would drive me crazy.
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• 3355[18:22:26] <WormFood> I believe there is a setting in the GUI, to turn off automounting
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• 3358[18:23:30] <nicki> I like to mount via fstab
• 3359[18:24:09] <WormFood> I'm the same way. I want to do it manually.
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• 3377[18:30:35] <nicki> How is the automounting disabled in Debian then?
• 3378[18:31:10] <WormFood> did you try doing what I said?
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• 3384[18:33:31] <jelly> nicki: did you ask the mate people?
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• 3387[18:33:49] <jelly> perhaps they have an idea.
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• 3389[18:34:22] <jelly> I don't use Mate, and my KDE doesn't automount, so I can't suggest anything more useful.
• 3390[18:34:54] <jelly> "switch to kde and see if it still happens" is not exactly useful ;-)
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• 3396[18:36:44] <nicki> jelly: Okay
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• 3398[18:37:23] <nicki> Others: Here are so many Debain peopla. Can someone tell me, where I can control automounting on file basis?
• 3399[18:37:27] <nicki> Please :)
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• 3402[18:38:11] <nicki> jelly: Yes i asked them. But they are not all the time on the irc chat
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• 3405[18:39:17] <jelly> nicki: fwiw, you can join multiple channels with a single irc client, don't need two separate connections to be in here and in #mate at the same time. Just type /join #mate
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• 3407[18:39:59] <jelly> nicki: that tells you something about how many users of mate there are. patience is advised.
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• 3412[18:42:10] <nicki> jelly: why you have logged in in #mate? To see if I really had asked them?
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• 3420[18:43:23] <jelly> nicki: yes
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• 3422[18:43:39] <jelly> and to see if the channel is really there
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• 3425[18:44:03] <jelly> sometimes dpkg's factoids are outdated
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• 3653[20:01:19] <MaBunny> say a primary partition of a disk,which i want to make bootable
• 3654[20:01:22] <RoyK> MaBunny: just install grub on it
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• 3657[20:02:21] <greycat> What is bootable is decided by your firmware, not by any markings you make upon the disk.
• 3658[20:02:30] <MaBunny> no...i wanna make it bootable first then the grub will be loaded from tht partition
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• 3661[20:02:49] <MaBunny> so what do i do greycat?
• 3662[20:02:56] <RoyK> fdisk - make set boot flag - but I don't think that's needed anymore
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• 3665[20:03:32] <RoyK> fdisk - set boot flag - but I don't think that's needed anymore
• 3666[20:03:32] <MaBunny> ok...i think i need to make a fresh debian install bootable
• 3667[20:03:40] <greycat> You install GRUB on the disk (not on a partition) and then you tell your firmware to boot that disk.
• 3668[20:03:49] <RoyK> a fewsh install should be bootable without issues
• 3669[20:04:00] <RoyK> MaBunny: firmware may be BIOS for you
• 3670[20:04:07] <MaBunny> yes BIOS
• 3671[20:04:16] <RoyK> choose the right disk
• 3672[20:04:27] <MaBunny> well i couldnt boot from it
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• 3674[20:04:38] <RoyK> make sure you install GRUB on the disk, not partition (as in sda, not sda1)
• 3675[20:04:47] <MaBunny> and i had reformatted it with installer cd
• 3676[20:04:55] <MaBunny> and it took 12 hours darn
• 3677[20:05:10] <RoyK> sounds like your disk is rather bad
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• 3679[20:05:21] <MaBunny> so i stopped the partitioning
• 3680[20:05:25] <RoyK> it should take perhaps a minute
• 3681[20:05:32] <Zorroness> with BIOS, the drive itself is made bootable by writing a magic number in the first 512 bytes of the disk. This number is included in any bootable MBR. Installing grub will do it. As for UEFI, I haven't completely wrapped my head around it's nuances yet.
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• 3683[20:06:02] <RoyK> ok, boot on a live install, install smartmontools and do a smartctl -H /dev/(disk)
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• 3685[20:06:08] <RoyK> where (disk) may be sda
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• 3687[20:06:22] <Zorroness> there's no way to make partitions bootable... but they can have a more/less meaningless bootable flag
• 3688[20:06:24] <RoyK> and perhaps smartctl -x /dev/(disk) and pastebin that
• 3689[20:06:41] <sm00th> hello all, I am trying to install invidia driver installed straight from nvidia site. but it always says failed to build module. how to install?
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• 3691[20:06:53] <MaBunny> i cant boot from a live cd now,its 12 am and i kept the partitioning @ 1 pm
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• 3693[20:07:39] <jelly> sm00th: using debian's packages for nvidia instead is typically a lot easier and less messy
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• 3695[20:07:49] <sm00th> jelly, yes but I want to add patch for grsec
• 3696[20:08:03] <sm00th> see why you hating on me again
• 3697[20:08:06] <jelly> so you have a custom kernel as well
• 3698[20:08:10] <sm00th> I ask this every day
• 3699[20:08:18] <sm00th> been talking about it all day to you
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• 3701[20:08:21] <sm00th> its like talking to a wall
• 3702[20:08:22] <sm00th> haha
• 3703[20:08:23] <jelly> I've never seen it!
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• 3705[20:08:36] <sm00th> it was my whole question
• 3706[20:08:42] <sm00th> that you told me to re-ask
• 3707[20:08:51] <jelly> that was 5 minutes ago
• 3708[20:08:56] <sm00th> ok?
• 3709[20:08:59] <MaBunny> so
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• 3711[20:09:13] <jelly> and noone else here saw it
• 3712[20:09:14] <sm00th> just say you don't know :)
• 3713[20:09:15] <MaBunny> i guess ill try reinstalling from debian
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• 3715[20:09:24] <MaBunny> debian from debian
• 3716[20:09:26] <sm00th> MaBunny, i'm sorry i was ignoring you, what is your question?
• 3717[20:09:33] <sm00th> whats the trouble you are having?
• 3718[20:09:54] <MaBunny> np,help me whn grub complains to me sm00th
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• 3722[20:10:04] <sm00th> what is grub saying?
• 3723[20:10:10] <jelly> sm00th: I'd still get nvidia dkms from debian, then unpack it using dkms tools, then patch it somehow
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• 3725[20:10:34] <sm00th> hmm ok i'll look up dkms tools
• 3726[20:10:38] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
• 3727[20:10:39] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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• 3729[20:10:47] <sm00th> oh wait but patch probably won't be written write for that
• 3730[20:10:50] <jelly> that works with debian's own kernels.
• 3731[20:10:57] <sm00th> I was already blaming the patch for the module not installing
• 3732[20:10:59] <sm00th> lol
• 3733[20:11:04] <sm00th> I have to use the pax patch
• 3734[20:11:09] <sm00th> its for certain driver version only
• 3735[20:11:42] <sm00th> oh but the other problem was i have to disable alot of security features so I said fk it. why bother then.
• 3736[20:11:58] <jelly> then fix your patches, or ask the people in #grsecurity (on OFTC) for help
• 3737[20:12:04] <jelly> or use nouveau
• 3738[20:12:04] <sm00th> and figuring out which ones by asking the grsec people is an unpleasant experience
• 3739[20:12:08] <MaBunny> is there a way to partition a disk to make it bootable in gparted?
• 3740[20:12:12] <sm00th> jelly, nvm
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• 3744[20:12:44] <jelly> grsec is rather hostile towards blob drivers, kind of by its nature
• 3745[20:12:45] <sm00th> MaBunny, so what is grub saying to you?
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• 3749[20:13:01] <sm00th> jelly, well spender has a patch too for download
• 3750[20:13:06] <MaBunny> sm00th i havent installed the fresh install yet but
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• 3752[20:13:15] <sm00th> but asking them which security features I have to disable is like pulling teeth
• 3753[20:13:24] <MaBunny> it keeps complaining about one UUID or another not found
• 3754[20:13:27] <sm00th> MaBunny, you have something already installed you are trying to keep?
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• 3757[20:13:43] <sm00th> MaBunny, was this after a fresh install?
• 3758[20:13:50] <MaBunny> no sm00th i hav repartitioned it
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• 3761[20:14:01] <sm00th> ohhh
• 3762[20:14:07] <MaBunny> so im in the partitioning process and
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• 3765[20:14:13] <sm00th> well...maybe it got reordered or something hmm
• 3766[20:14:20] <sm00th> you can use recovery mode to reinstall grub
• 3767[20:14:27] <sm00th> with your usb iso
• 3768[20:14:31] <MaBunny> is there a way to partition a disk to make it bootable in gparted?
• 3769[20:14:33] <jelly> sm00th: yeah, that's why if it wanted to run grsec on the desktop, I'd focus on free drivers instead
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• 3771[20:14:44] <sm00th> I did that recently with kde usb boot
• 3772[20:14:59] <sm00th> I booted it up, went to advanced mode, then I think recovery, then went through all the steps as if I was going to reinstall
• 3773[20:15:00] <MaBunny> sm00th but i couldnt find recovery mode n
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• 3777[20:15:06] <sm00th> but chose the option to reinstall grub from the menu
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• 3780[20:15:17] <MaBunny> the one tht kept up took me the whole installation process
• 3781[20:15:17] <sm00th> then boom it reinstalls the grub with the correct partitions
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• 3783[20:15:25] <jelly> MaBunny: you need BIOS/MBR bootable, or UEFI bootable?
• 3784[20:15:32] <MaBunny> UEFI
• 3785[20:15:34] <RoyK> sm00th: it shouldn't install on the partition
• 3786[20:15:35] <sm00th> MaBunny, don't worry its not hte whole installation process
• 3787[20:15:45] <sm00th> its only like the beginning part and to get netowrk
• 3788[20:15:49] <sm00th> after that it just reinstall the grub
• 3789[20:15:52] <jelly> no idea about uefi sorry
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• 3791[20:16:05] <MaBunny> well grub isnt working,not bios
• 3792[20:16:08] <sm00th> MaBunny, i thought the same thing at first the first time and canceled
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• 3794[20:16:20] <sm00th> but trust me it dont' do the whole installation if you select reinstall grub from the menu
• 3795[20:16:20] <DammitJim> is the tcp flaw only affecting linux machines with kernel 3.6+?
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• 3797[20:16:22] <DammitJim> how about 2.6?
• 3798[20:16:25] <sm00th> its more confusing this way i agree
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• 3800[20:16:38] <sm00th> cause in the old debian iso boot usb's, it would be right on the very first main menu
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• 3802[20:16:47] <sm00th> right under memory check or some shit, reinstall grub, boom
• 3803[20:16:48] <greycat> DammitJim: it affects any kernel to which that particular bit of code has been backported, which includes the 3.2.large kernels in wheezy
• 3804[20:16:54] <sm00th> and you didn't have to do nothing usually
• 3805[20:17:07] <sm00th> but now its diff its deep in the menus and it make you think its reinstalling the whole os
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• 3807[20:17:32] <MaBunny> sm00th i dont want to wait 12 hours to format my disk
• 3808[20:17:37] <MaBunny> like today
• 3809[20:17:40] <sm00th> MaBunny, it aint going to
• 3810[20:17:48] <sm00th> just make sure when you get to that menu, you pick reinstall grub
• 3811[20:17:49] <DammitJim> oh ok, but if I have Debian squeeze, I'm OK, right?
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• 3813[20:18:00] <sm00th> then just namey our user passwords, get network, and boom it does nothing but reinstalls grub only
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• 3815[20:18:01] <greycat> DammitJim: I *believe* a valid check for whether a kernel is affected is to look for the presence of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_challenge_ack_limit but nobody was able to confirm this.
• 3816[20:18:12] <DammitJim> DAMMIT!
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• 3818[20:18:19] <MaBunny> im going to partition it from my debian and install from my debian
• 3819[20:18:20] <DammitJim> I guess I'll go ahead and add that to sysctl.conf
• 3820[20:18:23] <DammitJim> 99999999999
• 3821[20:18:40] <Serialbox> $ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_challenge_ack_limit
• 3822[20:18:40] <Serialbox> 100
• 3823[20:18:41] <MaBunny> so can anyone tell me how to partition something to make it bootable
• 3824[20:18:43] <Serialbox> I definitely am :)
• 3825[20:18:48] <sm00th> MaBunny, I understand your worry though, I feel like win 10 is trying to get me to format my drive right now haha
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• 3827[20:18:53] <sm00th> cause it don't like debian on here
• 3828[20:19:00] <MaBunny> ok
• 3829[20:19:08] <greycat> MaBunny: it has NOTHING TO DO WITH PARTITIONS
• 3830[20:19:08] <MaBunny> but seriously
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• 3832[20:19:18] <sm00th> MaBunny, but seriously, it aint gonna do the whole installation don't worry
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• 3834[20:19:21] <sm00th> it will just reinstall grub
• 3835[20:19:27] <greycat> MaBunny: The booting is done using the magical code in the space BEFORE partitions.
• 3836[20:19:28] <sm00th> with the correct partitions
• 3837[20:19:33] <sm00th> and if it don't know it will let you pick them
• 3838[20:19:33] <MaBunny> i wasted my whole day guys
• 3839[20:19:35] <DammitJim> Serialbox, I don't have any such file
• 3840[20:19:41] * sm00th sighs
• 3841[20:19:47] <DammitJim> so, I guess I'm good ;)
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• 3843[20:19:54] <Serialbox> DammitJim: yeah... lets go with that :)
• 3844[20:20:11] <MaBunny> ok,then ill let the bios pick the code for me,or ill do it
• 3845[20:20:22] <MaBunny> sorry for wasting your time
• 3846[20:20:26] <sm00th> MaBunny, are you ignoring me?
• 3847[20:20:27] <sm00th> lol
• 3848[20:20:33] <MaBunny> no sm00th
• 3849[20:20:40] <Zorroness> MaBunny, you're not getting rid of the GPT partition by any chance, are you?
• 3850[20:20:43] <sm00th> MaBunny, boot your debian usb installer
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• 3852[20:20:49] <sm00th> go to advanced options
• 3853[20:20:49] <MaBunny> im trying to be serious pal
• 3854[20:20:53] <DammitJim> thanks!
• 3855[20:20:55] <sm00th> or recovery
• 3856[20:21:03] <sm00th> then click on reinstall grub
• 3857[20:21:05] <DammitJim> that server is so old, I don't know how I would perform testing after the change
• 3858[20:21:16] <sm00th> if it ask you to name your user and home group, do all that stuff
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• 3861[20:21:30] <sm00th> but dont' worry cause its only reinstalling grub not debian
• 3862[20:21:39] <sm00th> just read the menu's carefully
• 3863[20:22:22] <MaBunny> sm00th what if i reinstall debian from debian,do the update-grub, and if it again complains then plug the install cd and go to recovery mode???
• 3864[20:22:45] <sm00th> MaBunny, if you want to actually reinstall the whole root partition then ya go ahead and just reinstall debian then.
• 3865[20:22:51] <jelly> MaBunny: so you already have a debian installed and working on this system?
• 3866[20:22:53] <sm00th> install over the old one
• 3867[20:23:05] <MaBunny> jelly i hav my old debian working
• 3868[20:23:11] <sm00th> jelly, she changed partitions
• 3869[20:23:15] <sm00th> or installed some other os
• 3870[20:23:26] <MaBunny> but i want a new one to learn the command line seriously
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• 3872[20:23:34] <jelly> sm00th: doesn't matter if it's still installed and booting and working
• 3873[20:23:37] <sm00th> if installer don't know which is which, it will ask you to pick from the list to use for grub
• 3874[20:23:45] <MaBunny> ok
• 3875[20:23:50] <sm00th> jelly, the grub don't work now cause partition order changed prolly
• 3876[20:24:09] <jelly> oh, so the old installation is not bootable right now?
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• 3878[20:24:34] <sm00th> jelly, well thats what i assumed when she said grub not working
• 3879[20:25:01] <sm00th> but maybe I shouldn't assume anything. reinstall grub take like two seconds. and if order changed it asks you to pick right partition. worth a shot imo.
• 3880[20:25:20] <sm00th> if encrypted it will just ask for your password
• 3881[20:25:24] <sm00th> and your good to go
• 3882[20:25:37] <sm00th> jelly, like most people, myself included. she thought it was going through the whole installation process of reinstalling debian
• 3883[20:25:44] <sm00th> and she dont' believe me right now that it won't hehe
• 3884[20:25:48] <sm00th> but its true it make you feel that way
• 3885[20:25:57] <sm00th> jelly, in the old debian iso installers. reinstall grub was on the main menu
• 3886[20:26:00] <sm00th> the very first menu
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• 3888[20:26:20] <sm00th> and it wouldn't ask you to do nothing but sit back and wait with a splash screen progress bar as it did its thing
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• 3890[20:26:25] <sm00th> now the new debian this is different.
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• 3892[20:26:39] <sm00th> i have cancelled that process a couple times thinkign it going to reinstall all of debian
• 3893[20:26:40] <jelly> and it's not relevant for helping the user right now I gues
• 3894[20:26:48] <sm00th> jelly, its all relevant
• 3895[20:26:53] <sm00th> but you never fkn read anything so how you would know I guess.
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• 3897[20:27:05] <sm00th> go back to the cloud
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• 3899[20:27:38] * jelly shrugs and goes to do something else
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• 3904[20:29:06] <sm00th> MS blacklisted me those !@%^#!
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• 3906[20:29:14] <sm00th> now i have to install win 7 again lol
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• 3910[20:29:58] <sm00th> MaBunny, I'm gonna have to do the same thing i'm sure after I reinstall windows fresh lol
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• 3912[20:30:15] <sm00th> once i install windows the grub won't work
• 3913[20:30:22] <sm00th> and i will have to reinstall grub fromt he usb disk
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• 3915[20:30:33] <MaBunny> dont worry it'll be a lil painy,just a pin-prick :)
• 3916[20:30:40] <sm00th> it aint nothing don't worry
• 3917[20:30:50] <sm00th> but ya the old debian iso was much better
• 3918[20:31:01] <MaBunny> last time i tried to mess with grub i had to reinstall my os
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• 3920[20:31:15] <sm00th> you just popped it in, like two down presses of the arrow key on kb. hit enter. and boom it reinstalled grub without asking you no info
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• 3923[20:31:32] <mtn> MaBunny: the wiki has articles about fixing grub. well worth reading ;)
• 3924[20:31:34] <sm00th> had a nice relaxing debian splash with progress bar
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• 3928[20:31:48] <sm00th> mtn, omg
• 3929[20:31:53] <sm00th> mtn, tks for nothing
• 3930[20:31:54] <MaBunny> mtn: can you give me a link?
• 3931[20:31:59] <sm00th> lol
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• 3933[20:32:15] <mtn> MaBunny: replaced-url
• 3934[20:32:26] <mtn> MaBunny: it is not hard to use the wiki
• 3935[20:32:29] <sm00th> MaBunny, I gave you the easiest way possible in existence. but if you want to learn how to do it from a commandline you can do that too hehe
• 3936[20:32:40] <sm00th> or from the grub menu itself lol
• 3937[20:32:45] <MaBunny> ill try everything thnx guys
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• 3939[20:32:56] <sm00th> MaBunny, imo, just use the installer disk
• 3940[20:33:06] <sm00th> advanced recovery, reinstall grub. boom done.
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• 3942[20:33:20] <sm00th> you might have to pick your boot partition or root partition from list
• 3943[20:33:24] <sm00th> so make sure you know which one it is
• 3944[20:33:38] <mtn> or course the wiki explains that, as well
• 3945[20:33:39] <MaBunny> ok
• 3946[20:33:48] <sm00th> mtn, I don't mind explaining it if you don't
• 3947[20:33:59] <sm00th> I hope I am not spamming you...
• 3948[20:34:01] * sm00th rolls eyes
• 3949[20:34:03] <mtn> sm00th: why are you talking to me? I didn't ask yuo anything
• 3950[20:34:14] <sm00th> mtn, i'm trying to pull your head out of your ass
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• 3952[20:34:30] <mtn> sm00th: yours is in the way. please remove it first.
• 3953[20:35:03] <sm00th> you the one trying to tech info block
• 3954[20:35:16] <sm00th> I'm telling her how to fix her grub, and you telling to get lost and go google
• 3955[20:35:22] <sm00th> wtf is that all about?
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• 4012[20:50:20] <unborn> hi sm00th, been there many times.. :) some of us are very much advanced on some stuff and doing it daily that many times that it seems to us to be no logic to not follow docs / wiki.. some of us actually becomes arrogant assholes and some of us proper ICT, will always treat user as an client. Just keep that on mind, that you can always use ignore nick.. you know.. ;)
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• 4016[20:51:35] <doomguy2084> Debian website is complete mess... IT keeps translating to my keyboard/regional language for absolutely NO REASON
• 4017[20:51:45] * unborn sm00th means you did same as any of us would do.. just ignore the arrogance ;)
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• 4019[20:52:16] <doomguy2084> How do I set debian website to english?
• 4020[20:52:18] <unborn> doomguy2084: seems to me that english version is okay
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• 4022[20:52:32] <doomguy2084> I am getting Croatian for some reason
• 4023[20:52:36] <doomguy2084> every single page
• 4024[20:52:59] <unborn> doomguy2084: scroll into bottom
• 4025[20:53:08] <unborn> select your language and smile
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• 4028[20:53:52] <doomguy2084> unborn when I choose english it's fine... until the next page
• 4029[20:54:14] <unborn> doomguy2084: that is flat file wikis... make sure you use cookies
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• 4032[20:54:45] <unborn> I mean enable cookies on your browser.. if you cannot do than fine, what is your os primary language?
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• 4035[20:55:05] <doomguy2084> English language, Croatian region/keyboard
• 4036[20:55:08] <dob1> hi, i created a new user, added it to a group that can access a samba share (valid users, write list, read list) but i can't mount the share on a client using this user
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• 4040[20:55:34] <dob1> using another user in the group i can mount the share
• 4041[20:55:36] <greycat> dob1: you have to create it as a samba user, in addition to creating it as a Debian user
• 4042[20:55:45] <unborn> doomguy2084: well please check settings in your browser - and perhaps - system setting of preferred language
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• 4044[20:56:02] <greycat> when you installed samba, it probably went ahead and created samba users for all of your *current* Debian users, but now you've added a new one, so...
• 4045[20:57:07] <dob1> greycat, ok but the password are sync right?
• 4046[20:57:12] <doomguy2084> unborn my browser is Chromium and it is set to allow cookies, and it's in English
• 4047[20:57:44] <greycat> dob1: samba uses a separate user/password database entirely
• 4048[20:57:54] <unborn> dob1: if you want to share stuff in folder or something.. 770 permissions - meh well it depends all on your security and masking and other stuff.. ssh would be easier and better ;)
• 4049[20:58:11] <dob1> greycat, but there is the option "unix password sync" on smb.conf
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• 4052[20:58:34] <greycat> You can argue with me or you can add the samba user.
• 4053[20:58:59] <unborn> doomguy2084: still have look on language settings.. I do not use chromium sorry.. I use chrome and on my end it works as it supposed to do.
• 4054[20:59:07] <dob1> unborn, i remember i read this about adding the user, but i was thinking there was some sync reading this option "unix password sync"
• 4055[20:59:14] <unborn> dob1: that actually sync only user accounts - no passwords..
• 4056[20:59:15] <dob1> i am not arguing
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• 4059[20:59:44] <unborn> in that case just sync users and then - do reset password for each account and it will works
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• 4061[21:00:33] <dob1> i take a look, thanks for the help
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• 4069[21:02:16] <unborn> doomguy2084: my native language is slovak.. aint been using that for many many years too.. I only use it when I need to write official letters to slovak gov or something.. perhaps chromium should be same as chrome - at least for plugins - you can install some add-on or something heh
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• 4073[21:02:53] <pingfloyd> chrome plugins have always worked in chromium when I've tried
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• 4075[21:03:56] <unborn> dob1: you welcome.. I had samba long time installed on my system but it was too slow and also if more than 3 members of family connected cpu and ram was eaten.. so I've goon in good way - ssh. Anyway samba will sync accounts for you but for some reason (past 4 years) it does not sync passwords too..
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• 4079[21:04:33] <unborn> dob1: so for each account just reset the password (not in linux but!!) in samba settings and it will works
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• 4085[21:05:21] <dob1> unborn, it's ok now thanks :)
• 4086[21:05:37] <unborn> dob1: you welcome and have good day :)
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• 4088[21:05:46] <pingfloyd> one thing to be aware of with chromium/chrome is "In particular, extensions granted the ‘Read and modify all your data on the websites you visit’ will be able to see anything on any web page whether secure (HTTPS/SSL) or not e.g. your bank details, private conversations, email, usernames etc depending on what websites you use."
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• 4091[21:06:16] <unborn> pingfloyd: we are on debian and not on windows 10 :)
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• 4093[21:06:21] <TomTomTo1> doomguy2084: go into settings, advanced, language and input settings and drag english to be at the top.
• 4094[21:06:37] <pingfloyd> unborn: that's not going to matter for that
• 4095[21:06:45] <pingfloyd> unborn: because that's through the browser itself
• 4096[21:06:54] <unborn> doomguy2084: that is the proper way.. TomTomTo1 just mentioned ^^^
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• 4105[21:08:32] <unborn> pingfloyd: im sorry, but - well because I can read the code... can you? anyway - im not going there.. thanks for sharing your thoughts - I nod that.
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• 4110[21:10:18] <unborn> pingfloyd: as you mentioned in ''practicular'' - i guess only those useless ;)
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• 4165[21:30:14] <judd> Search for padevchooser in jessie/amd64: padevchooser: usr/bin/padevchooser, usr/share/menu/padevchooser
• 4166[21:30:34] <eSa|> ,v padevchooser
• 4167[21:30:35] <judd> Package: padevchooser on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.4-1.1
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• 4169[21:31:06] <TomTomTo1> eSa|: /msg <bot> <whatever>
• 4170[21:31:26] <eSa|> got it
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• 4187[21:36:30] <efrahim> Hi, I have a laptop that is not waking up properly after suspend (screen remains black; other things seems to go back up). How can I debug this problem to see what is doing on? (syslog only has messages regarding network going up after resuming from suspend)
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• 4222[21:49:18] <eugo> efrahim: i'm not an expert, but try switching between the virtual terminals by using CTRL+ALT+F1 to F7
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• 4230[21:50:40] <eugo> it has happened to me too but i can usually recover by using one of the other vterms to kill X and start it again
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• 4236[21:52:30] <efrahim> eugo: Thanks for the input. We have tried that, nothing happens.
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• 4244[21:54:25] <eugo> have you read the arch wiki page about suspending? the wiki usually has valuable info
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• 4247[21:54:50] <pingfloyd> efrahim: did you try the suggestions here replaced-url
• 4248[21:54:54] <efrahim> eugo: True. Will take a look at it.
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• 4250[21:55:02] <pingfloyd> efrahim: "Fixing corrupted video on resume"
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• 4255[21:56:41] <efrahim> pingfloyd: Is Debian 8/Jessie still using pm-utils?
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• 4257[21:57:20] <pingfloyd> efrahim: the package is available
• 4258[21:57:26] <jelly> efrahim: "systemctl suspend" probably has its own thing.
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• 4264[21:58:32] <efrahim> pingfloyd, jelly: Sure. This is a new install, so whatever is default is managing suspend. So the wiki under / is regarding problems with pm-utils which I'm not using (no pm-suspens/pm-hibernate commands)
• 4265[21:58:57] <efrahim> *under 7
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• 4267[21:59:36] <efrahim> But I guess disabling the default and testing with pm-utils could be a viable option.
• 4268[21:59:40] <pingfloyd> if you're using suspend.service then you need to find out if has a way to increase logging verbosity
• 4269[22:00:02] <pingfloyd> I would still try disabling kms as a test
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• 4271[22:00:26] <pingfloyd> that may get you closer to figuring out the cause
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• 4273[22:00:43] <efrahim> pingfloyd: ok, thanks. Will try that.
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• 4285[22:05:10] <pingfloyd> looks like the actual unit name is systemd-suspend.service
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• 4311[22:13:34] <MaBunny> replaced-url
• 4312[22:13:40] <MaBunny> oops
• 4313[22:13:45] <Serialbox> MaBunny: I saw
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• 4316[22:13:56] <MaBunny> yeah
• 4317[22:14:04] <MaBunny> now itll gonna start
• 4318[22:14:12] <MaBunny> Bash vs. Powershell wars
• 4319[22:14:44] <Serialbox> different tools for different jobs
• 4320[22:15:01] <MaBunny> Bash is better for a linux os
• 4321[22:15:19] <efrahim> pingfloyd: Thnaks. I will look into it tomorrow. I'm not too familiar with systemd yet, but I'll figure it out. Thanks for the help.
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• 4326[22:16:25] <pingfloyd> no problem
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• 4367[22:35:20] <digdilem> bash is 27 years old, battle tested and proven. powershell is shiny and new but hardly in the same class
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• 4369[22:35:48] <greycat> "you can count the scars"
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• 4375[22:37:14] <format_c> digdilem, and powershell is just crap, because it ticks like windows.
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• 4379[22:38:14] <digdilem> i use a lot of microsoft products, but the past few years have made me very suspicious of their business methods and motives. my trust, never massive, has dwindled further.
• 4380[22:38:29] <jelly> !offtopic
• 4381[22:38:29] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 4384[22:39:43] <format_c> thanks jely
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• 4396[22:41:44] <Zew> Heyo!!
• 4397[22:41:54] <Zew> Was wondering how I can get iozone installed on debian jesse
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• 4399[22:42:04] <Zew> doesn't seem to be in the default repos
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• 4402[22:43:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's in non-free
• 4403[22:43:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> as iozone3
• 4404[22:44:08] <Zew> is there something special I have to add to apt-get?
• 4405[22:44:25] <Zew> my skills in linux are subpar
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• 4409[22:45:03] <Zew> i tried apt-get install iozone3 didn't work ... ohhh newb me
• 4410[22:45:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> no... if you only have the repo "main" in /etc/apt/sources.list, edit it to have "main contrib non-free"
• 4411[22:45:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> then run apt-get update
• 4412[22:45:17] <Zew> thanks
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• 4417[22:46:07] <unborn> Zew: sure..there is rule to do not break the debian.. you know...
• 4418[22:46:28] <Zew> unborn: can you elaborate?
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• 4420[22:46:38] <Zew> could break my debian (not thats its doing anything at all)
• 4421[22:46:39] <unborn> Zew: about?
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• 4427[22:48:57] <jelly> ,i iozone3
• 4428[22:48:58] <judd> Package iozone3 (non-free/utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: Filesystem and Disk Benchmarking Tool. Version: 429-3; Size: 406.5k; Installed: 709k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 4429[22:49:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> Zew, you can also pastebin your sources.list at paste.debian.net if you want us to look over it
• 4430[22:49:43] <Zew> I got the jist of it, just having issue with vi so used to vim hahaha... maybe I should stick with nano since I don't have vim installed
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• 4437[22:50:56] <Zew> got it thanks all
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• 4439[22:51:07] <unborn> zew ah - well learn :)
• 4440[22:51:31] <Zew> vim so much better :P
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• 4444[22:52:12] <MaBunny> hello,whats the max number of ttys a console system can hav?
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• 4446[22:52:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> Zew, this is vim... but probably vim-tiny, which is a very limited version of vim
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• 4448[22:52:48] <Zew> on my debian I didn't have vim at all, just vi
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• 4453[22:52:58] <Zew> i just installed vim... I feel so much better
• 4454[22:52:59] <Zew> hahaha
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• 4456[22:53:23] <unborn> zen I do use nano but if you do vi - what is the point you are asking here? perhaps wasting th
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• 4458[22:53:28] <unborn> e time?
• 4459[22:53:35] <unborn> or ...?
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• 4461[22:53:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> vi always links to some version of vim... I don't think the unix vis were FOSS
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• 4464[22:54:21] <greycat> MaBunny: replaced-url
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• 4466[22:54:37] <jelly> MaBunny: apparently 63, reading replaced-url
• 4467[22:54:49] <greycat> 63 is the same answer in console(4) from that web page
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• 4470[22:54:56] <jelly> (search for /dev/tty1 for example)
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• 4472[22:55:02] <unborn> greycat: if you part of the website - just correct it :)
• 4473[22:55:11] <greycat> I am not part of the website
• 4474[22:55:26] <jelly> greycat is part of the solution
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• 4476[22:55:30] <greycat> I don't know which HTML entity you think I am, but...
• 4477[22:55:36] <unborn> greycat: ....debian I mean
• 4478[22:55:50] <greycat> I'm not a Debian Developer either.
• 4479[22:56:21] <unborn> eh..okay.. that is - different. thanks
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• 4483[22:56:37] <unborn> you are still my favourite sys :)
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• 4485[22:56:56] <Antipsychiatry> Hello people......,....ATENTION.
• 4486[22:56:59] <Antipsychiatry> ATENTION !!!! Danger in Israel . they use forced psychiatry !!!!!! This is TORTURE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Visit replaced-url
• 4487[22:57:04] <Zew> offs
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• 4489[22:57:27] <Zew> I still think debian is the best distro of linux ever
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• 4494[22:58:02] <Zew> thanks jelly
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• 4496[22:58:29] <unborn> cheers
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• 4500[23:00:04] <greycat> console.4.gz is in manpages-es, manpages-it, and some others, but not in manpages
• 4501[23:00:09] * greycat confused
• 4502[23:00:32] <Zew> there are so many things that confuse me in this world
• 4503[23:00:37] <jelly> perhaps outdated and removed from main for they forgot the translations?
• 4504[23:00:39] <MaBunny> lol...was away btw
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• 4507[23:01:06] <jelly> judd: file console.4.gz
• 4508[23:01:10] <judd> Search for console.4.gz in jessie/amd64: manpages-pt: usr/share/man/pt/man4/console.4.gz; manpages-ja: usr/share/man/ja/man4/console.4.gz; manpages-es: usr/share/man/es/man4/console.4.gz; manpages-it: usr/share/man/it/man4/console.4.gz
• 4509[23:01:29] <Zew> interesting bot...
• 4510[23:01:30] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 4511[23:01:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, funny... there seem to be japanese, spanish, french, polnish and chinese translations for it only
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• 4513[23:02:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> what did they translate it from if there's no english version
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• 4515[23:02:33] <greycat> console.4 is in the manpages tarball that jessie is built from, so it *should* be here. Bug report time.
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• 4529[23:08:34] <greycat> judd: file console.4.gz --release stretch
• 4530[23:08:38] <judd> Search for console.4.gz in stretch/amd64: manpages-pt: usr/share/man/pt/man4/console.4.gz; manpages-ja: usr/share/man/ja/man4/console.4.gz; manpages-es: usr/share/man/es/man4/console.4.gz; manpages-it: usr/share/man/it/man4/console.4.gz
• 4531[23:08:47] <Zew> seems same results
• 4532[23:08:50] <greycat> hmm.
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• 4540[23:10:34] <unborn> :)
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• 4544[23:11:19] <unborn> MaBunny: btw sorry we forgot what you was on about :)
• 4545[23:12:04] <greycat> GAH. I'm even more confused than when I started. It looks like they removed console.4.gz from manpages because it conflicted with a file by the same name in console-tools but console-tools isn't even IN JESSIE!
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• 4548[23:12:25] <MaBunny> unborn: well how can i jump to a tty greater thn 7
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• 4550[23:12:59] <pero> i'm trying to reinstall the nvidia driver after installing steam but apt-get upgrade always freezes on Setting up libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 (340.96-1) ...
• 4551[23:13:06] <unborn> that was answered right?
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• 4554[23:13:39] <pero> can't even abort it with ctrl-c
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• 4557[23:13:45] <MaBunny> yeah i kno tht theres 63 terms,but
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• 4559[23:13:58] <MaBunny> how to jump between them?
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• 4562[23:14:34] <`Kevin> pero: i know steam does a ton of compiling relating to drivers are you sure its freezing and not just doing things?
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• 4565[23:15:32] <unborn> steam - isnt that childish games? sorry not interesting in that rubbish :)
• 4566[23:15:35] <pero> `Kevin, yea i mean i let it run for hours
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• 4569[23:16:23] <`Kevin> pero: i would ask steam community for support, ive done a base install of steamos itself and it was severely broken
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• 4572[23:16:44] <`Kevin> as steam basically takes over and does its own thing with packages
• 4573[23:16:51] <`Kevin> so it isnt debian at that point
• 4574[23:16:52] <pero> replaced-url
• 4575[23:16:58] <pero> i'm on step 4 there
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• 4577[23:17:19] <stoned> nothing wrong with steam
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• 4579[23:17:42] <pero> yea dont think this has anything to do with steam
• 4580[23:17:48] <`Kevin> ah k so nothing steamos specific just steam itself
• 4581[23:17:53] <`Kevin> phew
• 4582[23:18:04] <unborn> stoned: then feel free to support the end user :)
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• 4584[23:18:21] <stoned> unborn: don't talk to me.
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• 4586[23:18:32] <pero> when i installed steam it uninstalled some drivers - which seems to be expected behavior
• 4587[23:18:35] <unborn> stoned: because of?
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• 4590[23:18:41] <pero> just cant reinstall them
• 4591[23:18:54] <stoned> `Kevin: ##videogames too, kayyvon
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• 4596[23:20:11] <pero> is there anything between ctrl-l and kill for terminating this deadend apt attempt?
• 4597[23:20:14] <pero> ctrl-c*
• 4598[23:20:30] <unborn> pero: simply put it - ask steam devs for help.. debian will works without issues as an system.. so its not practical issue
• 4599[23:20:40] <pero> this has nothing to do with steam
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• 4601[23:20:52] <stoned> pero: kill with -9 maybe
• 4602[23:20:57] <stoned> what happened to apt?
• 4603[23:21:06] <pero> it just hangs
• 4604[23:21:13] <pero> Setting up libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 (340.96-1) ...
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• 4606[23:21:38] <unborn> pero: so what is an issue then.. get to down to earth.. ?
• 4607[23:21:51] <pero> it wont let me install this driver
• 4608[23:22:28] <unborn> :) what do you mean it wont..?
• 4609[23:22:42] <pero> pero> Setting up libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 (340.96-1) ...
• 4610[23:22:48] <pero> and it hangs
• 4611[23:23:35] <unborn> pero: you know google.. right? replaced-url
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• 4613[23:23:50] <pero> yea i got nothing useful out of it
• 4614[23:24:03] <pero> you're basically useless unborn
• 4615[23:24:14] <pero> the other day you also tried to 'help' me with something
• 4616[23:24:20] <pero> giving completely irrelevant solutions
• 4617[23:24:28] <unborn> pero: same to you.. no one will spoon feeding you..
• 4618[23:24:45] <pero> who is asking to be spoonfed
• 4619[23:24:47] <unborn> im out of here.. :) have good evening pros
• 4620[23:25:01] <unborn> pero: you :)
• 4621[23:25:03] <pero> i followed the docs on debian.org and it's not working
• 4622[23:25:05] <pero> so i'm here
• 4623[23:25:06] <stoned> pero: that's why I said don't talk to me
• 4624[23:25:18] <stoned> forget him. Forcus on your issue.
• 4625[23:25:35] <pero> if i'm following docs from debian.org dont you think i googled already
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• 4628[23:26:00] <`Kevin> pero: its likely a postinstall script getting hung somewhere
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• 4630[23:26:22] <unborn> yeah forgot all of us.. stoned :) been here from long time - even forgot the debian - be sure
• 4631[23:26:33] <`Kevin> you would have to check typical logs syslog/message etc for an idea or lsof the processes to see if they are writing to some other log file
• 4632[23:26:46] <`Kevin> you can also look at the postinstall scripts yourself
• 4633[23:28:47] <`Kevin> look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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• 4646[23:34:10] <SerajewelKS> is there some trick to getting the palettegen avconv filter on debian? is it buried in some optional package?
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• 4649[23:35:18] <SerajewelKS> guessing the debian jessie version is too old for this filter?
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• 4659[23:38:40] <laidback_01> SerajewelKS, I think it's libav-tools
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• 4661[23:38:54] <SerajewelKS> laidback_01: i already have avconv. but the palettegen filter isn't present.
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• 4663[23:39:10] <SerajewelKS> i see references to this filter going back to 2012. seems odd that the 2016 debian build omits it.
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• 4665[23:40:45] <laidback_01> hmm, looks like libavfilter
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• 4667[23:40:57] <SerajewelKS> laidback_01: already installed, libav-tools depends on it
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• 4673[23:42:36] <docmur> My server is running debian 7.8, when I try to start existing KVM's that use to work, or when I try to make new KVM's I'm getting a new error: replaced-url
• 4674[23:42:38] <pero> i just removed all the nvidia drivers and am reinstalling from scratch
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• 4676[23:42:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> pero, you could try running /var/lib/dpkg/info/libglx......postinst manually with bash -x
• 4677[23:42:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> guess that was a little late :-/
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• 4680[23:44:15] <laidback_01> SerajewelKS, when I type ffmpeg -filter, I see that palettegen is not enabled for my build. perhaps you need to compile your own ffmpeg to include this?
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• 4682[23:44:38] <laidback_01> SerajewelKS, I'm by no means an expert on ffmpeg or anything like it... I just am reading the docs.
• 4683[23:45:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> docmur, do you run kvm as root?
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• 4691[23:48:09] <laidback_01> SerajewelKS, here's a note on StackOverflow, might help: replaced-url
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• 4700[23:51:57] <docmur> I've tried both root and my user, who is in the virtd group
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• 4704[23:53:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> which produced the error you pasted
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• 4706[23:53:27] <docmur> both users get it
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• 4708[23:53:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> the exact same one?
• 4709[23:53:46] <docmur> Yes
• 4710[23:53:48] <laidback_01> SerajewelKS, apparently rolling your own isn't at all unusual for ffmpeg: replaced-url
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• 4713[23:56:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm… that error might also mean it's trying to use a gpu that isn't present
• 4714[23:56:49] <docmur> Oh, that would be weird, but I guess it's something to look at. this is a headless server that only has basic descret video
• 4715[23:57:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, dunno... not sure what "accelerator" in that context is supposed to mean
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• 4717[23:58:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> this one looks a bit like it: replaced-url
• 4718[23:58:43] <docmur> I'm also unsure about that, because some of the VM's still power on, other's don't.
• 4719[23:58:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> and suggests you unload and then again load the kvm kernel modules
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• 4725[23:59:56] <docmur> I can try that later tonight, I have VM's running now that I can't power down right now
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