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21 [00:07:55] <littlebit> sypher: it isn't working, could you help me out
22 [00:07:58] <crash_> weird if i do a minimal install of debian wifi is not working. i just says soft blocked, but rfkill is not installed so i can't unblock it lol
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32 [00:10:27] <crash_> i thought the debian installer was clever enough to see "oh this machine has wifi let's install the wifi tools,rfkill and so on"..
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61 [00:20:18] <bigterd> smart log replaced-url
62 [00:20:20] <bigterd> ideas?
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67 [00:22:38] <bigterd> ive tried cables, different ports, booting apci disabled, libata tricks, hdparm tunes, ddrescue with -c so low it copies at kilobytes/second, same result. minutes, if seconds, and drops out. controller?
68 [00:23:00] <biscuitWizard_> Hey guys! Quick shell script question. I have a virtualenv setup and I'm writing a shell script where I need to execute a command as another user under a new source (of that virtualenv). How would I go about thaT?
69 [00:23:02] <bigterd> and there's no firmware update from WD
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73 [00:23:42] <biscuitWizard_> sudo -s source /path/to/pyenv -u "$user" $cmd didn't quite work.
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76 [00:24:49] <iLogic> hey guys, does debian jessie have pip (for python) installed by default? Version 2.7.9 should have it but on a fresh install pip returns command not found
77 [00:25:05] <biscuitWizard_> iLogic: I don't believe so.
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79 [00:25:29] <biscuitWizard_> Pip wasn't autoincluded with Python until python 3.
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81 [00:25:51] <biscuitWizard_> But it should be easily gotten with apt-get install python-pip
82 [00:25:51] <jelly> install python-pip if you need it
83 [00:26:01] <iLogic> biscuitWizard_: i see there's a separate python-pip package, but python's doc says it should come default with versions above that
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85 [00:27:01] <biscuitWizard_> most linux distributions include precompiled python eggs built for their distro. using apt is appropriate in most cases, but you can get pip if you need it via the above commans.
86 [00:27:48] <jelly> or python3-pip as the case may be
87 [00:27:59] <iLogic> the version of the package isnt the version of pip itself?
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90 [00:28:13] <biscuitWizard_> (at least, compiled in the sense that they're structured to match the hierarchy standard/configuration for however they've laid things out)
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92 [00:29:02] <pneumatik> guys, i'm so excited, i just got a dell poweredge with two 4 core xeons and i'm gonna load debian onto it most likely
93 [00:29:46] <iLogic> pneumatik: sounds better than my little netbook
94 [00:29:54] <pneumatik> iLogic: :P
95 [00:30:05] <pneumatik> should i go for stable, unstable, or testing?
96 [00:30:21] <iLogic> go for bleeding edge!
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98 [00:30:33] <maurer> pneumatik: What are you using it for?
99 [00:30:38] <jelly> pneumatik, if you have to ask, stable
100 [00:30:49] <biscuitWizard_> stable.
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102 [00:31:06] <pneumatik> maurer: probably going to run ISP on it and then connect to it from my desktop as a proxy server
103 [00:31:32] <pneumatik> and also do like web hosting and ZNC stuff and lots of server side web apps
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105 [00:31:42] <maurer> "run an ISP on it" = ???, but it sounds like you want stable
106 [00:31:51] <pneumatik> run I2P on it****
107 [00:32:02] <maurer> Yeah, you want stable
108 [00:32:32] <pneumatik> i was asking once on another IRC channel and they all basically just said "sid! sid! sid! stable is another word for outdated!"
109 [00:32:55] <pneumatik> but yea
110 [00:33:23] <pneumatik> i was using a really terrible falling-apart lenovo laptop as a server beforehand and stable never failed me
111 [00:33:37] <maurer> So, if it's a devbox, I usually suggest trying testing
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113 [00:33:49] <maurer> but this sounds like it's running services, and intended to be publicly internet facing
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115 [00:33:55] <maurer> so stable's really the only right choice here
116 [00:34:20] * biscuitWizard_ just uses EC2 servers on the cloud.
117 [00:34:35] <biscuitWizard_> augh, this bash script is a pain in the butt.
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120 [00:35:32] <biscuitWizard_> sudo -E su doesn't preserve pyenv.
121 [00:35:38] <biscuitWizard_> or source.
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136 [00:41:27] <cerialkilla> Is there an official bitcoin repo for debian jessie?
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138 [00:41:51] <cerialkilla> I tried installing armory but it just sat and initialized forever
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140 [00:42:30] <sypher> cerialkilla: Armory will take several hours to initialize.
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148 [00:46:30] <cerialkilla> sypher, just to initialize the torrent engine? I know the blockchain takes hours to download
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150 [00:47:01] <sypher> cerialkilla: Armory doesn't download the blockchain itself. It relies on bitcoind to do that in the background.
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152 [00:48:02] <cerialkilla> right, So what i did was download the bitcoin core and extracted the bin contents to /usr/bin then i started armory but it sat at initializing torrent engine and didnt move
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159 [00:54:59] <disi> what is the difference between "jessie-updates main" and "jessie/updates main" in sources.list?
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170 [01:01:37] <disi> (also do either of those apply if im running sid?)
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172 [01:02:16] <mtn> disi: don't apply if you are running sid. take them out
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179 [01:03:24] <barbone> hi
180 [01:03:33] <disi> mtn: ty
181 [01:03:41] <zumba_addict> what are nice tiny gui apps that will show like cpu utilization in graphs or charts? I think it's called widgets?
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183 [01:04:42] <barbone> how can I change the tty0 console char colors? I did fbset -g 1280 800 1280 800 16 to set the correct screen dimension in the console, but I've got blue chars on a black background
184 [01:05:01] <mtn> zumba_addict: some desktop environments have things called widgets, yes
185 [01:05:09] <zumba_addict> ok
186 [01:05:11] <mtn> zumba_addict: also look at gkrellm
187 [01:05:17] <zumba_addict> ah, i remember that
188 [01:05:28] <zumba_addict> i remember using that back in 1997
189 [01:05:30] <zumba_addict> LOL
190 [01:05:42] <zumba_addict> wow, it's still being used
191 [01:05:55] <zumba_addict> thanks for reminding it to me :)
192 [01:06:37] <awal1> zumba_addict, conky is a great tool. you can make it show almost every thing you want
193 [01:06:40] <disi> also, if i start tracking stable (instead of jessie)... when stretch becomes stable will i still have to dist-upgrade? or will i get stretch just by `apt-get upgrade`?
194 [01:06:53] <zumba_addict> oh, I see conky in the menu but i wasn't aware what it does
195 [01:06:56] <zumba_addict> let me try it
196 [01:07:21] <zumba_addict> i see conky chooser, reload conkys, edit conkys
197 [01:07:33] <awal1> zumba_addict, i can my conky config file if you want...
198 [01:07:36] <mtn> disi: it is not a good idea to have stable in your sources. make sure to have jessie if you want stable
199 [01:07:46] <zumba_addict> ok, what do I have to do?
200 [01:07:50] <awal1> I can share ^
201 [01:07:54] <zumba_addict> sure
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203 [01:07:59] <zumba_addict> pastebin it please
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205 [01:08:15] <zumba_addict> then what will I do on my side?
206 [01:08:28] <awal1> install conky-all pkg first, zumba_addict
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208 [01:08:31] <disi> mtn: oh interesting! why is that? the docs seem to indicate it is ok
209 [01:08:32] <mtn> disi: when a new stable comes out, read the release notes to find out how to upgrade
210 [01:08:38] <zumba_addict> got it
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212 [01:09:17] <zumba_addict> it said, it's already installed awal1
213 [01:09:26] <disi> mtn: is tracking stable essentially "slow-rolling release" then?
214 [01:09:47] <awal1> zumba_addict, create a hidden empty plain text in your /home and name it conkyrc
215 [01:09:50] <mtn> disi: no and it may break things to have stable in your sources
216 [01:09:57] <zumba_addict> ok
217 [01:10:01] <awal1> text file ^
218 [01:10:06] <zumba_addict> there is one already
219 [01:10:09] <disi> weird...
220 [01:10:11] <awal1> .conkyrc
221 [01:10:15] <mtn> disi: sometimes upgrading is not that simple, which is why you read the release notes
222 [01:10:19] <zumba_addict> there is one already
223 [01:10:32] <awal1> so you have created it yet before?
224 [01:10:44] <zumba_addict> no but maybe I configured it few days ago
225 [01:10:45] <disi> mtn: makes sense, but what is the use case for tracking stable then? why is it possible?
226 [01:10:55] <zumba_addict> tons of text
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229 [01:10:57] <mtn> disi: don't know
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231 [01:11:03] <zumba_addict> configuration i mean
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233 [01:11:48] <zumba_addict> so how do I bring it up?
234 [01:11:54] <zumba_addict> i mean display the widget
235 [01:11:55] <awal1> zumba_addict, ok you will have just to adjust date/time, cpu usage and temperature ( mine is configured for 4 cpus and 3 cores)
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237 [01:12:21] <zumba_addict> mine is just one core since it's virtualbox
238 [01:12:25] <awal1> zumba_addict, conky have no widgets stuff, is another story
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240 [01:12:34] <zumba_addict> oh ok
241 [01:12:37] <awal1> ok will send you my file and try it
242 [01:12:50] <zumba_addict> i see keyboard shortcuts which I also see in the desktop
243 [01:13:45] <zumba_addict> what is S in [S] + t
244 [01:13:50] <zumba_addict> is that spacebar?
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246 [01:14:21] <awal1> zumba_addict, that my conky config, try it if you like replaced-url
247 [01:14:21] <zumba_addict> it's not shift nor spacebar
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250 [01:15:20] <zumba_addict> k
251 [01:15:22] <awal1> with conky you can do "all" what you want; just learn about it
252 [01:15:31] <zumba_addict> will do
253 [01:15:36] <zumba_addict> what is S though in [S]
254 [01:15:44] <zumba_addict> that's what i see in my conky config
255 [01:15:46] <TomTomTosch> S like super key probably.
256 [01:15:55] <zumba_addict> k
257 [01:16:09] <TomTomTosch> or windows key if you are that kind of person.
258 [01:16:16] <zumba_addict> i'm on a mac
259 [01:16:20] <zumba_addict> and virtualbox
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261 [01:16:59] <zumba_addict> tried cmd+t, shft+cmd+t, shift+t, alt+t, it didn't work
262 [01:17:10] <disi> mtn: fwiw, seems reading the Release Notes is the main reason for not tracking stable: replaced-url
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267 [01:17:50] <awal1> conky is originally designed for real hardware, for virtualization (temp, cpu ...); you will have to find out how it works
268 [01:18:05] <zumba_addict> oh, back in the days, I was using englightenment. I really like one of the themes but honestly, it's weird looking. The terminal has an alien faces on the side
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271 [01:19:00] <zumba_addict> like this one - replaced-url
272 [01:19:37] <TomTomTosch> jesus
273 [01:19:50] <zumba_addict> oh wow, e17 is in apt-cache
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275 [01:19:54] <zumba_addict> that's awesome! :D
276 [01:20:07] <zumba_addict> that's what I had back in 1997
277 [01:20:28] <zumba_addict> it was a pain to configure
278 [01:20:35] <awal1> zumba_addict, S in conky config?
279 [01:20:42] <zumba_addict> yes awal1
280 [01:20:53] <awal1> i dont see any S
281 [01:21:02] <awal1> you may refet tu $ ?
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283 [01:21:10] <zumba_addict> it's ok
284 [01:21:14] <zumba_addict> i want to try e17 first :)
285 [01:21:25] <zumba_addict> how do I switch to another window manager?
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287 [01:22:11] <awal1> you wm&de are listed in your DM
288 [01:22:31] <zumba_addict> where do I find that?
289 [01:23:54] <awal1> you run gnu/linux since 97 but no clue how to login into X with a different WM?
290 [01:24:41] <awal1> excuse if I may have not understood you :P
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293 [01:25:47] <zumba_addict> i remember picking a window on login
294 [01:25:51] <zumba_addict> i'll try it
295 [01:25:58] <zumba_addict> but i also remember editing xinitrc file
296 [01:26:28] <TomTomTosch> which you don't need with a display manager installed.
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298 [01:26:49] <zumba_addict> oh ok
299 [01:27:25] <zumba_addict> found it
300 [01:27:27] <zumba_addict> on top right :)
301 [01:27:30] <zumba_addict> trying it now
302 [01:27:36] <zumba_addict> it's much more easier now
303 [01:27:47] <zumba_addict> btw, i'm using bunselabs
304 [01:28:27] <zumba_addict> it segfault, LOL
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306 [01:29:04] <zumba_addict> though it loaded when I clicked Recover
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314 [01:35:19] <blawiz> how can i find out how a process was started? i have pid
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320 [01:36:28] <zumba_addict> ps?
321 [01:36:45] <matthiaskrgr> stackoverflow suggests ps -o ppid= -p 1111
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325 [01:37:31] <matthiaskrgr> if you use htop you can use f5 to show processes as a tree
326 [01:37:51] <missmbob> maybe
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330 [01:39:56] <blawiz> matthiaskrgr: it returns "1" ... its freshclam (some virus scanner) but it doesnt run as daemon AFAIK, and it shouldn be run now in my cron
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332 [01:40:32] <matthiaskrgr> isn't 1 systemd?
333 [01:40:38] <blawiz> hmm maybe some timezone crap, cause is should be run in 1 hour
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335 [01:40:58] <matthiaskrgr> peraps it was launched via some systemd init script
336 [01:40:58] <blawiz> matthiaskrgr: probably, makes sense by the pstree output
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338 [01:41:48] <theviajerock> Hello
339 [01:42:06] <theviajerock> Somebody can help me with a LXC question please?
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361 [01:55:33] <blawiz> can one just uninstall systemd? apt-get doesnt seem to object
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380 [02:05:31] <zumba_addict> btw, the debian on virtualbox rocks! Even if I'm on graphics, it's so friggin fast. My ubuntu on virtualbox sucks! It's slow
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417 [02:30:27] <drjuls> greetings! how do I smooth the fonts on Debian 8.5?
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421 [02:32:04] <jaggz> if I'm running X11, shouldn't port 6000 be open on my localhost?
422 [02:32:20] <jaggz> I don't see it open (and am trying to run an X program on a remote system, displayed locally)
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424 [02:32:50] <jaggz> I already did xhost +remoteip, and on the remote system I set DISPLAY to localip:0
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529 [03:32:23] <backnforth> hi, I recently installed Debian without mirrors and I'm trying to add mirrors but my mirrors keep giving me errors saying I'm missing a package file.
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531 [03:32:52] <backnforth> I tried looking into the repos directory and there is no package file but there is package.xz and .gz
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542 [03:39:25] <firestorm> hey guys
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544 [03:39:45] <firestorm> how do i get an alias ip to be my primary (and preferably only) ip
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558 [03:44:27] <abrotman> addrlabel maybe
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581 [03:55:06] <fr1tz1> Hey guys, is it possible to put the debain installer on a partition of a hard drive and have it install to the rest of the drive in the case I dont have a usb? or is there an easyer way to go about that?
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590 [03:58:04] <kzimmermann> why not a use CD or DVD?
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596 [04:00:26] <dvs> so 2000s
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598 [04:00:35] <sikun> heh
599 [04:00:42] <fr1tz1> I want to be able to just put the drive in and be good to go
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602 [04:01:03] <fr1tz1> I dont have an optical drive and booting from external media wouldnt be possible either
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604 [04:02:23] <Seb> I have 'Acquire::PDiffs "false";' in my /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/03pdiffs, same one I've used for ages, but recently apt-get insists on getting those pdiffs again
605 [04:02:27] <Seb> what am I missing ?
606 [04:02:38] <sikun> kzimmermann, replaced-url
607 [04:03:26] <sikun> read the win32-loader.txt file first
608 [04:04:09] <kzimmermann> I still carry a few live CDs with me all the time... but maybe I'm old fashioned :P
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610 [04:04:50] <kzimmermann> thanks for the link though, sikun
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622 [04:12:49] <meloc> Is it okay to ask apt questions here? or is there a more relevant room?
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624 [04:14:09] <deb> meloc, if apt is related to apt debian version, i guess its okay
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879 [06:16:34] <Zavec> Hi guys. I'm trying to install debian through netinstall, booting from a usb, but I'm missing a piece of firmware (brcmfmac436-2-pcie.bin). I've downloaded that file and put it on another usb, but the installer isn't finding it when I get to the option of "Load missing firmware from removable media." The file is currently just on the root of the USB. Is there something I'm missing?
880 [06:17:27] <Zavec> I've also tried putting it in a folder called brcm, because the prompt says the firmware I'm missing is brcm/brcmfmac43602-pcie.bin
881 [06:17:56] <Raed|Laptop> There are non-free images you can use, that have non-free firmware already packaged onto it.
882 [06:18:04] <Raed|Laptop> is the usb mounted?
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885 [06:19:27] <Zavec> Ah, that's a good point. I don't think I saw an option to get to a shell to mount it before I got this prompt, I'll reboot and check again
886 [06:20:39] <Raed|Laptop> You can get a shell by pressing ctrl+alt+f1-f7
887 [06:20:53] <Raed|Laptop> each is a different shell, one will be the installer
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889 [06:22:43] <jmcnaught> Zavec: this chapter of the install manual shows how to deal with missing firmwares: replaced-url
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891 [06:23:03] <reev> jmcnaught: hii, I pinged you yesterday
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893 [06:24:08] <jmcnaught> Zavec: the firmware you need is probably in the firmware-brcm80211 package, the page i linked to above has links to a tarball with all the firmware packages that are distributable, and also the unofficial non-free netinst image that has those firmwares already on it
894 [06:24:12] <jmcnaught> reev: hey
895 [06:24:40] <rklopfer> hello. i have a new thinkpad t460 in the mail and i wanted to install debian with a relatively minimal i3wm set up. is that _relatively_ easy? i prefer not to spend 24 hours getting the system running.
896 [06:24:54] <rklopfer> or should I just get ubuntu and apt install i3?
897 [06:25:31] <reev> jmcnaught: anacron is running fine as you have told me to configure on all machines but one machine is creating problem
898 [06:25:59] <reev> gimme one sec to explain
899 [06:26:43] <Zavec> jmcnaught: I downloaded mine from elsewhere, I'll try the one from that tarball and see if that does it. Will likely do that tomorrow though, as I'm exhausted and have work in the morning. Thank you!
900 [06:26:59] <Zavec> Raed: Good to know, thank you!
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902 [06:27:36] <jmcnaught> rklopfer: setting up i3wm is easy on Debian. really new hardware can sometimes require extra work to get it functional on Debian stable. You might need to use kernel and video drivers from jessie-backports
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904 [06:27:52] <Raed|Laptop> Zavec: No problem!
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906 [06:28:29] <jmcnaught> rklopfer: in particular some computers with NVMe bus for SSD require a workaround during the installer to be able to boot properly
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908 [06:29:46] <jmcnaught> Zavec: yeah try using the method documented in the install manual. Note that some broadcom cards require firmwares that are not distributable.. for those it's often easier to install with an ethernet cable at first
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912 [06:31:04] <Zavec> jmcnaught: That was my first thought, but this is a new dell xps and doesn't seem to have an ethernet port. I did find the bin file online, I don't see that specific file in the tarball here though
913 [06:31:24] <Zavec> Unless brcm80211 is interchangeable with brcmfmac43602
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915 [06:31:59] <jmcnaught> Zavec: firmware-brcm80211 is a package with dozens of .bin files in it
916 [06:32:25] <Zavec> ah, that makes sense. I'll give that a shot then. Thanks!
917 [06:32:37] <reev> jmcnaught : as all machines are configured to run anacron at midnight, but one machines ends up powered off before midnight and it wakes up in the morning and the issue is when machines boots up it didn't run the anacron
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919 [06:33:08] <jmcnaught> reev: it is a normal boot and not a wake from hibernate/suspend?
920 [06:33:26] <reev> yes it is normal boot
921 [06:33:52] <jmcnaught> reev: well if this machine is always turned off before midnight, you could have just that one machine run anacron at some other time.
922 [06:34:05] <rklopfer> jmcnaught, thanks! i am going through a dry run in a VM now... I will look out for SSD issues. I'm not sure if the one i'm getting has an NVMe bus or not (actually i don't even know what that is)
923 [06:34:43] <reev> jmcnaught what if i left it at 7:30 as default set ??
924 [06:35:06] <reev> remove the midnight entry
925 [06:35:24] <Zavec> jmcnaught: Would I still have to mount the usb with that file on it? I can't seem to mount it from the shell I get with ctrl+alt+f2, it tells me no such file or directory
926 [06:36:09] <jmcnaught> reev: however anacron should be running at boot, you could use "update-rc.d anacron enable" (or "systemctl enable anacron")
927 [06:36:44] <jmcnaught> reev: if it's fine for this one machine to run anacron at 7:30 then i would simply restore /etc/cron.d/anacron to its original state
928 [06:37:44] <reev> jmcnaught: hmm okay I will try it
929 [06:38:07] <jmcnaught> Zavec: i think the installer will mount a FAT filesystem on the stick and look for firmware packages on it. or just try the ISO with the firmwares already on it
930 [06:38:35] <jmcnaught> rklopfer: NVMe is a new alternative to SATA that is better suited to SSDs
931 [06:39:04] <Disconsented> jmcnaught> NVME replaces AHCI
932 [06:39:37] <jmcnaught> but i think jessie's stock kernel has problems using it, so some people have needed to install a newer kernel from jessie-backports while still in the installer before booting into the new system
933 [06:39:41] <jmcnaught> Disconsented: oh okay
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935 [06:40:51] <reev> jmcnaught: one more thing , I have debian router configured for my network I want to log URL's that are visted per IP's basis how can i do this
936 [06:40:58] <rklopfer> jmcnaught soooo... does that mean i should use stretch?
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939 [06:41:27] <Zavec> jmcnaught: Two more questions, sorry. Should I leave the file in the .deb, or extract that and put just the .bin on the usb? And, failing that, where on the iso should I put the firmware? Where it's expecting it in /lib/firmware? Or perhaps where the prompt is specifying, in brcm/brcm(...).bin (assuming that means /brcm/brcm(...).bin, but I could be wrong)?
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944 [06:42:01] <jmcnaught> rklopfer: if you can get it working on jessie with a couple of newer packages from backports then that is what i would do. stretch is newer, but it's not done yet and stuff is still changing in it.
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946 [06:43:07] <jmcnaught> reev: i'm not sure the best software to use for that. it might simply involve making some netfilter rules to log the IP addresses, or maybe using an HTTP proxy would be better
947 [06:43:56] <reev> jmcnaught okay thanks btw
948 [06:44:18] <jmcnaught> Zavec: the documentation i linked you to is pretty clear that you put .debs or loose firmware files on the USB's top directory or in /firmware. Consider using the non-free ISO linked in that chapter of the install manual instead
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954 [06:45:07] <Zavec> Ah, I totally missed that sentence, sorry. I think that's my queue to go to sleep
955 [06:45:12] <Zavec> I'll try this all again tomorrow
956 [06:45:17] <jmcnaught> reev: you're welcome. one day you'll get to do this with systemd timer units instead ;)
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962 [06:47:03] <reev> jmcnaught: certainly mate :)
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965 [06:49:45] <rklopfer> thanks jmcnaught ! I will give it a try with jessie. Hopefully, it just works.. :) out of curiosity what odds would you put on jessie "just working"?
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972 [06:50:34] <jmcnaught> rklopfer: i don't know, linux always being a bit behind on hardware support is one of the reasons i usually buy used laptops. i'm using a thinkpad x220
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974 [06:50:59] <rhizome> rklopfer: i have a 2015 t450s and it was as easy as anything
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976 [06:51:38] <rklopfer> rhizome, did you install gnome desktop?
977 [06:51:43] <rhizome> xfce
978 [06:51:45] <jmcnaught> rklopfer: if you run into problems you can get help here
979 [06:51:56] <rhizome> i think i have i3 too, but i never use it
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981 [06:52:11] <rhizome> (installed)
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983 [06:52:43] <rklopfer> jmcnaught, thanks! i'm having flashbacks to installing gentoo ...
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985 [06:53:09] <rklopfer> i'm trying to avoid that experience
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987 [06:53:47] <rklopfer> rhizome, okay. maybe i'll do the same. i normally use xfce too. but, i've been captivated by i3 recently
988 [06:54:20] <rhizome> it'll work fine either way
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990 [06:57:15] <rklopfer> excellent. thanks for the reassurance :)
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1148 [08:10:29] <deepy> Hi, this morning I got an odd case where it couldn't find my system when I tried to boot, got told by a friend that it was becuase I had lost lvm2 at some point so I reinstalled it. He's not asleep and I'm stuck at a boot loop of 'unlocking sda6_crypt' and then 'Reading all physical volumes. No volume groups found' seemingly forever
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1150 [08:13:22] <deepy> I'm regretting having luks in the first place now
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1153 [08:14:06] <jcjordyn120> go join #thelinuxgeekcommunity
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1167 [08:19:01] <jmcnaught> deepy: what does "couldn't find my system" mean?
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1171 [08:20:11] <haba713> hi! /var/log/syslog is filled with "imuxsock begins to drop messages from pid 1562 due to rate-limiting".
1172 [08:20:11] <haba713> 1562 seems to be "/usr/sbin/snmpd -Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -g snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid". this happens on all our debian virtuals.
1173 [08:20:20] <haba713> what's the reason?
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1183 [08:24:49] <jmcnaught> haba713: what are the syslog entries from this process saying before it gets rate-limited?
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1187 [08:27:28] <haba713> jmcnaught: "Connection from UDP: [xxx]:42789->[yyy]"
1188 [08:27:50] <haba713> xxx is our zenoss virtual
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1190 [08:28:32] <jmcnaught> haba713: sounds like you need to configure snmpd to be less verbose, but i don't know snmpd at all
1191 [08:30:08] <haba713> jmcnaught: thanks for helping. zenoss seems to open 100-200 snmp connections in a second.
1192 [08:30:51] <haba713> must find out if it's normal or not
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1229 [09:01:00] <nuge> hey guys - have a fresh install of debian 8.5 and seem to be running into some wierdness getting mysql accessible from external ips. Want to be sure that its not a port being opened incorrectly - hoping someone can confirm i've got this right. I've opened the port by running iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s [myPublicIp] --dport 3306 -j ACCEPT - is that correct? or do i have to things differently from Debian vs say ubuntu?
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1248 [09:09:24] <Guest48055> hi
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1251 [09:10:34] <Guest48055> HI EVERYONE
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1308 [09:42:10] <yubo> sorry, how can i see others's speaking
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1310 [09:42:47] <jmcnaught> yubo: nobody is speaking
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1319 [09:47:37] <jmcnaught> yubo: it is quiet because nobody who uses IRC for Debian support is asking questions here right now. In this channel please don't /msg people.
1320 [09:50:54] <yubo> ok, maybe i got it,i apologize it
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1323 [09:53:17] <haba713> jmcnaught: snmpd syslog flood seems to be quite a common problem. i decided to follow this answer replaced-url
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1334 [10:01:07] <dionysus69> how do I use gpg to encrypt file send it to someone else and let them decrypt it with password?
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1341 [10:06:04] <bibble> dionysus69: you need to have their key, and they have yours. Then, "gpg -stear <name>", and type message. A single '.' on a line ends typing.
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1345 [10:07:05] <gebruiker> what kernel is best nowadays for desktop ? Pf kernel... liquorix ?
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1351 [10:09:13] <ikonia> gebruiker: you've asked that in #ubuntu #debian #gentoo - look at what your distro provides
1352 [10:09:14] <babilen> dionysus69: You get their public key, encrypt the file and send it to them. They can then decrypt it with their private key.
1353 [10:09:20] <ikonia> the "standard" will serve you best
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1360 [10:13:34] <gebruiker> ikonia, running windows and wanted to the right answer for me the fastest
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1362 [10:14:59] <ikonia> that makes no sense
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1364 [10:15:07] <ikonia> what has "running windows" got to do with anything
1365 [10:15:21] <ikonia> and asking in 3 channels with 3 quite different distros won't get you "the right answer"
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1369 [10:16:55] <gebruiker> ikonia, who is judging the answer ?
1370 [10:17:10] <ikonia> I have no idea,
1371 [10:17:29] <gebruiker> then how do you know it is wrong?
1372 [10:17:59] <ikonia> because the question you ask doesn't make sense and tha snwer won't reflect that
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1374 [10:18:39] <gebruiker> how do you know that if you do not know who judges the answer on its validity?
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1376 [10:18:52] <ikonia> whatever.....
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1457 [11:05:19] <dionysus69> thanks babilen bibble I found a symmetric approach simpler with password :D :) gpg -c filename
1458 [11:05:48] <babilen> k
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1470 [11:10:58] <barbone> hi
1471 [11:11:18] <barbone> how can I set the framebuffer geometry for consoles at boot time?
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1474 [11:12:32] <barbone> I'm running debian jessie
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1493 [11:22:34] <rdz> is it possible to check if a tcp port of a remote host is open without actually establishing a connection?
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1497 [11:22:58] <rdz> i imagine something like not fully completing the hand-shake
1498 [11:23:04] <spektrum_> rdz: nmap
1499 [11:23:10] <rdz> spektrum_, thanks
1500 [11:23:10] <SynrG> "stealth" scan
1501 [11:23:17] <rdz> SynrG, thanks
1502 [11:23:24] <SynrG> (using nmap, of course)
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1529 [11:33:27] <barbone> hi
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1544 [11:41:07] <mernilio> Im banned :-(
1545 [11:41:34] <mernilio> from your offtopic channel :-(
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1547 [11:41:41] <themill> and here too
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1551 [11:41:47] <jelly> noooo
1552 [11:41:52] <jelly> -_-
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1555 [11:42:44] <barbone> lol
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1560 [11:45:18] <SynrG> barbone: i think that's done with the video= boot parameter.
1561 [11:45:54] <barbone> SynrG: :(
1562 [11:46:36] <barbone> I was able to boot with grub on framebuffer, but then during boot a script changed the resolution
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1564 [11:46:41] <themill> Or you can do it through console-setup, can't you?
1565 [11:48:11] <barbone> dpkg-reconfigure ?
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1567 [11:50:06] <barbone> console-setup seems to be fonts related
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1569 [11:50:54] <themill> oh, you're looking for fb size stuff
1570 [11:51:01] <barbone> yes
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1573 [11:51:39] <SynrG> possibly console-setup is the "script [that] changed the resolution" (via fbset?)
1574 [11:51:59] <SynrG> man page says "Set VIDEOMODE to an empty string to avoid setting up the video mode."
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1577 [11:52:36] <barbone> SynrG: I read that, but the conf file is under /etc/console-tools/conf
1578 [11:52:54] <barbone> sorry
1579 [11:52:57] <barbone> SynrG: I read that, but the conf file is under /etc/console-tools/config
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1582 [11:53:32] <SynrG> for console-setup? i was thinking /etc/default/console-setup ...
1583 [11:53:49] <barbone> ok
1584 [11:53:49] <SynrG> looks like that's a console-tools config file. not quite the same?
1585 [11:54:31] <barbone> VIDEOMODE=1280x800x16
1586 [11:54:33] <barbone> ?'
1587 [11:55:00] <SynrG> or just set to an empty string and maybe the grub video mode will survive without changing?
1588 [11:55:09] <SynrG> seems pointless to set the mode twice
1589 [11:55:38] <barbone> no the empty string gave me a wrong resolution, the screen is 1280x800, but I can use only the 1024x768 portion
1590 [11:55:45] <barbone> (in console mode)
1591 [11:55:47] <SynrG> hm
1592 [11:56:23] <barbone> this is when I switched to nouveau
1593 [11:56:31] <SynrG> ah
1594 [11:56:38] <SynrG> using the non-free firmware?
1595 [11:56:51] <SynrG> oh wait, i'm confusing this with radeon. never mind
1596 [11:56:51] <barbone> because my nvidia board is not supported
1597 [11:57:34] <barbone> rebooting to see what will happen!
1598 [11:57:35] <barbone> :)
1599 [11:57:38] <SynrG> i see. well, i dunno. all my experience with this stuff is using intel, which is more standards-compliant
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1602 [11:58:00] <SynrG> but i don't have a current/working config for comparison :p
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1604 [11:58:15] <SynrG> used to have to do kms mode wrangling with the ancient eeepc model 4G
1605 [11:58:27] <SynrG> (yes, i realize they've quit)
1606 [11:59:43] <miskatonic> why is radeon not in the contrib category, but in main?
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1609 [12:01:59] <SynrG> it does not depend on the non-free firmware
1610 [12:02:07] <SynrG> if it did, it would be in contrib
1611 [12:02:24] <SynrG> i.e. you *can* run it without the firmware.
1612 [12:02:54] <SynrG> depending on your hardware that may or may not give you usable results, though.
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1614 [12:03:05] <SynrG> however, this is not the fault of the driver itself.
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1616 [12:03:51] <miskatonic> ahhh. so the evil firmware is only loaded on demand?
1617 [12:04:03] <SynrG> the evil firmware isn't even *installed* unless you ask for it
1618 [12:04:28] <SynrG> once you install it, i believe it will always be loaded
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1620 [12:05:18] <SynrG> you should probably refrain from value-loaded words like 'evil'. it's simply non-free, by Debian's definition.
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1627 [12:10:33] <SynrG> miskatonic: as for specifics of 'on demand', depending on the chipset, the kernel will probe for, and if found, load the appropriate firmware per chipset.
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1631 [12:12:43] <barbone> not working
1632 [12:12:54] <barbone> I had to issue fbset in the console
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1635 [12:14:49] <SynrG> if fbset in the console is possible, then it seems you are most of the way there already
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1637 [12:15:12] <SynrG> and it should be a small matter of configuration ... sorry i can't be any more help than this
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1656 [12:28:09] <barbone> :(
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1661 [12:29:42] <f-a> apparently I cannot copy files from hdd to an usb stick (debian jessie) as user
1662 [12:29:49] <f-a> is there a way to modify this setting?
1663 [12:30:18] <SynrG> is it automatically mounted when you insert it?
1664 [12:30:22] <f-a> I tried becoming root; mount /dev/something1 somefolder and then umount, but then some files are corrupted
1665 [12:30:25] <f-a> SynrG: yes
1666 [12:30:35] <SynrG> does it have a fat filesystem on it?
1667 [12:30:39] <f-a> yes
1668 [12:31:36] <SynrG> then you should be all set. it's just a small matter of policy to allow it. but on a desktop this is normally taken care of
1669 [12:32:05] <SynrG> you don't have an /etc/fstab entry for it, do you? you should not.
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1674 [12:33:05] <SynrG> f-a: do you have a desktop on that system? if so, which one?
1675 [12:33:23] <f-a> gnome, SynrG
1676 [12:33:38] <SynrG> full gnome or some minimal subset of it?
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1679 [12:34:04] <f-a> SynrG: I upgraded from wheezy to jessie, standard installation/upgrade path both times
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1681 [12:34:11] <SynrG> and my other question? does it have an /etc/fstab entry for it?
1682 [12:34:25] <SynrG> please confirm it does not
1683 [12:34:38] <f-a> apparently there are 2 fstab entries for /dev/sdb1 and 2 . Would you like a paste (I need to log in from the other pc)
1684 [12:35:03] <SynrG> you shouldn't have any fstab entries for your USB. if you do, it could interfere with permissions on auto-mount
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1686 [12:35:32] <f-a> SynrG: I am pretty sure I never entered them, should I rm the file?
1687 [12:35:47] <SynrG> rm your /etc/fstab? that sounds like a very bad idea :)
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1689 [12:36:10] <SynrG> i don't know what /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 are on your system ... if they're not your USB, then it is OK
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1691 [12:36:43] <f-a> sdb *is* my usb stick
1692 [12:37:01] <SynrG> then comment out those two lines.
1693 [12:37:06] <f-a> ok
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1697 [12:38:04] <SynrG> then i would: 1. logout 2. ensure no filesystems from sdb are mounted. 3. login and see if it is automounted and copying as the user works
1698 [12:38:12] <f-a> ok
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1709 [12:47:12] <f-a2> SynrG: if I plug the usb in I hear the "plug sound" but no volume is shown. Here is dmesg replaced-url
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1722 [12:53:16] <SynrG> f-a: you can't browse to it through "Computer" or something? (I forget how this is called in gnome now)
1723 [12:54:08] <f-a> argh sorry, I now see it was incorrectly formatted, let me format again
1724 [12:55:03] <SynrG> :)
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1726 [12:55:17] <f-a2> SynrG: Error wiping newly created partition /dev/sdb1: Command-line `wipefs -a "/dev/sdb1"' exited with non-zero exit status 1: wipefs: error: /dev/sdb1: probing initialization failed: File o directory non esistente (udisks-error-quark, 0)
1727 [12:55:27] <SynrG> yeah
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1730 [12:56:03] <SynrG> you could do a block by block erase. not sure what wipefs is
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1747 [12:59:55] <f-a2> so, I formatted it on another machine (I smile, apparently GUIs make things more difficult, not easier) and it works now. Thanks SynrG, I have no idea who modified (me?) that fstab
1748 [13:00:52] <SynrG> yay :)
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1752 [13:02:02] <SynrG> f-a: given the long history of the box, i guess a lot of possibilities :)
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1757 [13:04:13] <f-a> main culpirit being me, giving that I don't see my mum messing with fstab :P I am glad it's done now
1758 [13:04:24] <btf> can i authenticate over ssh into jessie using keypair OR password?
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1764 [13:05:22] <Ticho> yes, you can
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1767 [13:05:53] <btf> tq
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1776 [13:10:31] <barbone> hi
1777 [13:10:54] <barbone> what is the number to set in console-setup VIDEOMODE= to obtain 1280x80x16 ??
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1793 [13:19:36] <CruX|> what was changed ?
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1882 [13:57:06] <Gryllida> I'll disconnect, but look at channel logs online, so send replies anyway if you have ideas. thanks.
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1936 [14:24:08] <zebulon1st> info : '3' in russian is said 'ya' not 'e'
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1951 [14:33:20] <babilen> zebulon1st: It's rather "tri", isn't it?
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1968 [14:42:09] <Alexandrov> 3 = tri isn´t it?
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1973 [14:44:57] <jelly> babilen, they're talking about the glyph that looks like a 3
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1981 [14:46:16] <babilen> Ah, з !
1982 [14:46:33] <jelly> Э (or less likely З yeah)
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1986 [14:47:16] <jelly> the former iz basically z
1987 [14:47:35] <babilen> Kanyeshna
1988 [14:47:37] <zebulon1st> babilen: yep, I meant 'Э'
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1991 [14:48:11] <zebulon1st> and you're right : '3' (three) is 'tri'
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1993 [14:48:36] <jelly> erm. з is z, dunno what э is
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1997 [14:52:14] <Alexandrov> What is the second language for all the former USSR countries?
1998 [14:52:33] <SynrG> offtopic-ese
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2000 [14:53:00] <SynrG> i heard they have a channel for it too, #debian-offtopic ;)
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2002 [14:53:34] <zebulon1st> well, I think the correct 'ya' russian glyph is 'Я' or 'я'. And 'З' or 'з' is 'ze'... and 'Э' is 'E' :S I just checked in the Gnome charset table :S I was wrong above :S
2003 [14:53:53] <jelly> kcharselect ftw
2004 [14:55:22] <zebulon1st> I confused between reversed 'R' and reversed 'E' :\
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2007 [14:56:53] <bittin> updating Debian stuff atm :)
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2009 [14:57:18] <jelly> !qotd0
2010 [14:57:18] <dpkg> <maligor> they even attempted to turn me into emacs at the univ <AimHere> Do you mean 'onto' emacs, or does RMS have some sort of secret undergrounds basement where nerds go in, and emacs comes out? <AimHere> Emacs 22.6 ... is ... people!
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2012 [14:57:39] <jelly> someone tell gry.
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2026 [15:00:33] <jelly> !anyone
2027 [15:00:33] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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2030 [15:01:01] <sk___> uhm ok sorry.
2031 [15:01:12] <sk___> i have to get a jail with fail2ban to get dos attack
2032 [15:01:16] <sk___> i need to block replaced-url
2033 [15:01:20] <sk___> ^<HOST> -.*"(GET|POST).*
2034 [15:01:22] <sk___> no gain.
2035 [15:01:24] <sk___> ideas?
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2037 [15:01:48] <mavhq> laptop running debian testing, battery ran out, default was to do nothing, now it won't boot without root pw. Seems like bad default
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2039 [15:02:27] <jelly> sk___, that looks a bit like apache combined access logs. Can you pastebin a couple different lines, and point out which part you want to be <HOST>?
2040 [15:02:40] <sk___> jelly: sure here it is
2041 [15:02:44] <jelly> !paste
2042 [15:02:44] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
2043 [15:02:53] <sk___> sure np :)
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2045 [15:03:27] <sk___> replaced-url
2046 [15:03:45] <sk___> i need to match the IP
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2049 [15:04:38] <sk___> its a simple ab benchmark test
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2056 [15:06:00] <jelly> sk___, is the IP always the second column, delimited with a single space?
2057 [15:06:12] <sk___> yes always
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2070 [15:12:15] <sk___> jelly: have you got enough info about?
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2083 [15:17:27] <jelly> yes but busy right now, sorry
2084 [15:17:39] <sk___> jelly: np if you free tell me, thanks so much.
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2097 [15:23:25] <hmw> Hi. I want to setup a kerberos server on a sid based test system. Initialising with 'kdb5_util create -s -P foo' hangs forever. See replaced-url
2098 [15:23:25] <hmw> and blocks. Sometimes, very rarely, the process comes to a successful end without blocking. Any hints?
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2139 [15:39:19] <binia> afternoon
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2143 [15:41:03] <binia> anyone has any experience with pxe and dnsmasq?
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2174 [15:56:17] <niko> jelly: you could remove the ban on Sigyn :)
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2176 [15:56:29] <SebastianRasor01> Hello! I'm trying to autostart a file that fixes headphones on my system, but it requires root. The way I have the autostart set up is through a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart/ that executes a .sh file in my documents.
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2178 [15:57:37] <SebastianRasor01> The .sh file has sudo in it, is there anyway I can make that file not require a sudo password or run it as root by default?
2179 [15:57:46] <SynrG> yes
2180 [15:57:47] <greycat> SebastianRasor01: /msg greybot sudo
2181 [15:58:41] <SebastianRasor01> Neat, I'll try that.
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2183 [15:58:43] <SebastianRasor01> Thanks!
2184 [15:58:58] <M-alex_mayorga> ¡Hola! How to enable tap to click on a Synaptics touchpad in Jessie?
2185 [15:59:08] <M-alex_mayorga> With GNOME as DE.
2186 [15:59:19] <SynrG> !synaptics
2187 [15:59:19] <dpkg> Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads/trackpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. replaced-url
2188 [15:59:56] <SynrG> check your Xorg.0.log. you might not be loading synaptics at all
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2191 [16:00:30] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): I've installed gpointing-device-settings already and I believe I selected the right things to no effect.
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2194 [16:01:08] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): How does one "check your Xorg.0.log"?
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2197 [16:01:38] <SynrG> put a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log at replaced-url
2198 [16:01:42] <SynrG> then we can look at it and see
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2200 [16:01:53] <csarria> Anyone up?
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2208 [16:02:23] <themill> niko: done
2209 [16:02:24] <csarria> I need help cloning an encrypted drive to a smaller drive.
2210 [16:02:40] <SynrG> i say "we" loosely. i have to work. hopefully someone else can help ... or the wiki page i linked via the dpkg bot factoid might help ... (though its latest advice is oriented towards wheezy, not jessie)
2211 [16:03:07] <csarria> I have a 300gb drive that is failing and needs to be transferred to a 270GB HDD. Only problem is the 300GB is encrypted with LUKS so resizing the partitions is tricky?
2212 [16:03:12] <SynrG> later
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2224 [16:09:07] <stoned> What's a good light weight processor of words with spell checking and thesaurus stuff built in
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2230 [16:13:24] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Pease see replaced-url
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2233 [16:14:02] <SynrG> stoned: vim and some plugins? :)
2234 [16:14:13] <stoned> Eh.
2235 [16:14:28] <stoned> I'm using a static site generator for my blog at replaced-url
2236 [16:14:36] <stoned> All content is markdown
2237 [16:14:38] <SynrG> not a serious suggestion. sorry, i'm not a thesaurus user ...
2238 [16:14:47] <stoned> Yeah, instead of having to look up words
2239 [16:14:59] <SynrG> well, half-serious
2240 [16:15:01] <stoned> I could right click a word in the editor or something and get either a list of words or something
2241 [16:15:04] <SynrG> there is apparently vim-online-thesaurus
2242 [16:15:07] <stoned> Something like that.
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2244 [16:15:16] <stoned> I can always just use dict in a terminal
2245 [16:15:20] <SynrG> yup
2246 [16:15:23] <stoned> but something in a gui would be nice
2247 [16:15:25] <stoned> you know
2248 [16:15:31] <SynrG> that's more or less exactly what i'd do. look up stuff in the terminal
2249 [16:15:38] <SynrG> otherwise, see if there's a plugin for vim.
2250 [16:15:42] <stoned> I mean that's what I do now :)
2251 [16:15:48] <stoned> Ok
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2255 [16:18:06] <stoned> SynrG: Also I like being able to right click and correct the spelling, but maybe i shoudl wait and run a checker after Im done writing
2256 [16:18:17] <stoned> Most of the articles on blog are must first draft markdown documents
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2260 [16:19:04] <SynrG> stoned: like replaced-url
2261 [16:19:10] <stoned> I'm using netbeans for the site project manager/editor for the time being (needed to do design/template/coding) but I find doing markdown in netbeans sucks. The spell checking is horrendouyly slow
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2263 [16:19:22] <SynrG> ah, netbeans ... ugh
2264 [16:19:25] <stoned> You really like vim, huh
2265 [16:19:28] <SynrG> slow from start to finish
2266 [16:19:34] <SynrG> gave up on it aeons ago
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2268 [16:19:39] <stoned> Actually, without plugins, netbeans PHP is the best
2269 [16:19:47] <stoned> I have used and sampled them all, and I always come back to NB
2270 [16:19:49] <SynrG> it was pretty awful fro ruby dev
2271 [16:19:49] <stoned> Same with linux
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2273 [16:19:51] <SynrG> for*
2274 [16:19:58] <stoned> Sample every distro, come back to debian.
2275 [16:20:11] <stoned> Someone gave me a copy of debian back in college, 2001
2276 [16:20:15] <stoned> hooked since then
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2278 [16:20:54] <greycat> Kali Linux got multiple plugs in last night's episode of Mr. Robot.
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2281 [16:21:16] <stoned> Hey ol timer
2282 [16:21:17] <stoned> o/
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2285 [16:21:49] <SebastianRasor01> Ok, Now I can run the .sh without the sudo popup if I click it, but if I try to run it from the terminal it still asks for a password.
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2287 [16:21:52] * SynrG checks if he accidentally opened #debian-offtopic ...
2288 [16:21:54] <SynrG> nope :)
2289 [16:22:09] <SebastianRasor01> So it wont work on the startup.
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2292 [16:22:31] <stoned> SebastianRasor01: add your user to the sudo group, one who needs to run said script
2293 [16:22:34] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: order matters
2294 [16:22:44] <stoned> I dunno what's happening
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2296 [16:23:06] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: it is possible the password rule is in the wrong order and is preferred over the nopassword one
2297 [16:23:31] <SebastianRasor01> I have it all in order, if I just double click the .sh file it runs without asking for a password. It's just running it from the terminal wont work.
2298 [16:23:32] <stoned> SebastianRasor01: you can make it nopasswd for the path to the script file
2299 [16:23:36] <stoned> SebastianRasor01: man sudoers
2300 [16:23:41] <SebastianRasor01> Thats what i did
2301 [16:23:45] <stoned> hm
2302 [16:23:52] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: so your rules are in the wrong order
2303 [16:24:01] <SebastianRasor01> How?
2304 [16:24:15] <SynrG> read the sudoers man page:
2305 [16:24:29] <SynrG> When multiple entries match for a user, they are applied in order. Where there are multiple matches, the last match is used (which is not necessarily the most specific match).
2306 [16:24:42] <SebastianRasor01> I have it in correct order
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2309 [16:24:51] <SebastianRasor01> And it runs if I click the sh file
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2311 [16:25:01] <SebastianRasor01> But I cant run it from the terminal
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2313 [16:25:05] <SebastianRasor01> without a pass
2314 [16:25:16] <SynrG> it's an easy thing to get wrong. the debian config has includes
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2318 [16:25:28] <SynrG> one of those includes handles membership in the sudo group
2319 [16:25:47] <SynrG> if that is still last in your file, than your "more specific" rule is being ignored in favour of that
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2322 [16:26:12] <SebastianRasor01> I dont think you understand, the rule is working
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2324 [16:26:47] <SebastianRasor01> If I close the terminal on a boot and just click the sh file everything I need to happen happens without a pass
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2326 [16:27:17] <SebastianRasor01> Its just running it from the terminal isnt working
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2336 [16:30:27] <SebastianRasor01> I'll try to make the .desktop file run the script as root instead of having the script ask for root
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2338 [16:30:47] <SynrG> there's no reason to do that. and it opens up a security hole
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2340 [16:31:20] <SynrG> then the user could possibly insert arbitrary privileged commands into that file (or an attacker)
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2343 [16:31:36] <SynrG> or i should say "increases your attack surface"
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2345 [16:31:48] <SynrG> without seeing your sudoers file and the script, i can't say how to proceed
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2347 [16:33:03] <SebastianRasor01> Give me one second
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2358 [16:35:48] <SynrG> stoned: your exact choice of editor aside, i think the point i was trying to get across is: "don't use a word processor; use an extensible text editor (whichever one floats your boat); any extensible text editor worth its salt should have spell-checking and thesaurus for it"
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2369 [16:40:55] <barbone> hi
2370 [16:40:56] <Bish> hi guys, a customer just gave me a debian server, which i don't have much knowledge about
2371 [16:41:15] <Bish> i want to have more recent versions of mysql,ruby and the equivalent of ubuntus "build-essnetial"
2372 [16:41:20] <Bish> what options do i have?
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2375 [16:41:44] <Bish> scratch the build-essential part
2376 [16:41:55] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Did you get a chance to look at replaced-url
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2380 [16:42:42] <SebastianRasor01> replaced-url
2381 [16:42:47] <SebastianRasor01> SynrG
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2385 [16:43:33] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: what i was meaning about order is that by adding the rule in the middle, it won't be obeyed if any of the later rules apply (e.g. is 'sebastian' in the sudo group?)
2386 [16:43:53] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: that looks fine. i.e. synaptics is detected and loaded properly
2387 [16:44:21] <SynrG> as for how/why gnome can't seem to configure it, i don't know. gnome changed a bunch of things in gnome3 ...
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2389 [16:44:32] <SynrG> and now i don't use it anymore. so i'm no help to you with those specifics.
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2391 [16:44:57] <SebastianRasor01> I am in th sudo group, what do you mean by in the middle?
2392 [16:44:59] <SynrG> however, the wiki page does talk about doing the end-runaround vs. your desktop to implement it in a different fashion, if you want to go that route
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2394 [16:45:26] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: line 25 is before line 28
2395 [16:45:32] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: the rule at line 28 takes precedence
2396 [16:45:38] <SynrG> it's like 25 isn't there at all
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2398 [16:46:02] <SebastianRasor01> So should I move 25 to after 28?
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2400 [16:46:14] <SynrG> also line 24 is useless
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2402 [16:46:32] <SynrG> line 28 supersedes (and is identical in purpose) to line 24
2403 [16:46:46] <SynrG> yes.
2404 [16:46:51] <SynrG> or to the very end of the file
2405 [16:47:00] <SynrG> theoretically, you could have stuff in the included dir
2406 [16:47:10] <SynrG> (though by default there's nothing but a README there)
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2408 [16:47:10] <SebastianRasor01> Ok, so move 25 and remove 24?
2409 [16:47:15] <SynrG> yup
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2411 [16:47:42] <johnkeates> where do i find a debian mentor
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2413 [16:47:46] <SynrG> and if you want to get very specific you could have the exact python command you want to grant access to instead of the path to the .sh
2414 [16:47:51] <johnkeates> i have a package i'd
2415 [16:47:55] <johnkeates> like to get into contrib
2416 [16:47:55] <Bish> halp ;;
2417 [16:47:58] <SynrG> which has the downside of allowing the user to inject arbitrary commands into it
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2420 [16:48:25] <SynrG> johnkeates: please see #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net
2421 [16:48:27] <johnkeates> thx
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2424 [16:48:46] <SebastianRasor01> I just updated the sudoers, I'll reboot and see if it works
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2430 [16:51:13] <SebastianRasor01> I'm still getting the terminal popup asking for a password
2431 [16:52:01] <SynrG> so it sounds like somehow the path doesn't match, so it falls through to the more generic rule for sudo ownership
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2436 [16:52:20] <SynrG> you must specify the exact path that you're executing
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2439 [16:52:46] <SebastianRasor01> I thought I already did in the .desktop
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2442 [16:53:25] <SynrG> let me see your paste again ...
2443 [16:53:26] <babilen> SebastianRasor01: The entry in sudoers has to match exactly
2444 [16:53:28] <SynrG> sec
2445 [16:53:38] <SynrG> yes. what babilen said :)
2446 [16:53:48] <SebastianRasor01> replaced-url
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2448 [16:54:16] <SebastianRasor01> They do match exactly
2449 [16:55:51] <SynrG> well, isn't that the old paste? i'd like to see the files as they look now
2450 [16:55:56] <SebastianRasor01> Ok
2451 [16:56:15] <SynrG> also, you still have the 'sudo python ...' in run.sh. actually, it's preferable to just authorize that
2452 [16:56:18] <SynrG> instead of all of run.sh
2453 [16:56:22] <SynrG> for the reason i mentioned before
2454 [16:56:27] <SebastianRasor01> Ok
2455 [16:56:37] <SebastianRasor01> So change that in the sudoers?
2456 [16:56:41] <SynrG> but again, must match exactly, including arguments
2457 [16:56:44] <SynrG> yes
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2459 [16:57:33] <SebastianRasor01> Can I just remove all of the comments on the sudoers?
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2461 [16:58:19] <SynrG> at your peril :) i find comments in config files help me to understand what's happening
2462 [16:58:20] <jhutchins> SebastianRasor01: Stripping comments only affects you as a human editor of the file.
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2464 [16:58:44] <SynrG> it may also increase your work for any CONFFILE that dpkg supplies
2465 [16:58:47] <jhutchins> SebastianRasor01: You might consider making a copy of the original to sudoers.dist in case you need to reference it.
2466 [16:58:55] <SynrG> or that a deb supplies, i should say
2467 [16:59:05] <SynrG> and that dpkg flags as having changed
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2470 [16:59:28] <jhutchins> SebastianRasor01: grep -v "^#" conffile > newconffile
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2474 [17:00:28] <SynrG> i.e. those messages that say there is a new version of the file provided by the maintainer ... if you leave in the comments, then your diff is smaller when you've only changed one or two lines
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2476 [17:00:41] <SynrG> makes it easier to see what the real differences are between your version and the maintainer's version
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2479 [17:02:00] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): So is this a GNOME bug perhaps? Thanks on checking BTW.
2480 [17:02:16] <SebastianRasor01> replaced-url
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2483 [17:02:29] <SebastianRasor01> There's everything updated
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2487 [17:04:50] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: i'm not sure about 'bug'. i thought for sure gnome had a way to change the setting, but maybe i'm wrong. gnome has stripped out functionality not consistent with its vision of providing a simpler, easier to use default user experience ...
2488 [17:05:13] <SynrG> meanwhile, the synaptics driver dropped "tap to click" by default, because *they* felt it was confusing to enable by default
2489 [17:05:21] <SebastianRasor01> I'm gonna reboot again, I just ran the sh and there was no password prompt
2490 [17:05:24] <SynrG> i.e. more often than not, the user ends up accidentally tapping to click things ...
2491 [17:05:30] <SebastianRasor01> I'll see if it works on startup
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2493 [17:05:57] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: so if the gnome maintainers didn't see fit to expose a knob to change this anymore ... i guess you have to resort to a non-gnomish way of configuring it
2494 [17:06:04] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: and the wiki page covers that, i believe
2495 [17:06:07] <SynrG> !synaptics
2496 [17:06:16] <dpkg> Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads/trackpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. replaced-url
2497 [17:06:20] <SynrG> ^^ here it is again
2498 [17:06:22] <M-alex_mayorga> I'm very used to tap to click from my Ubuntu days unfortunately...
2499 [17:06:33] <SynrG> yes, but debian didn't make that go away ...
2500 [17:06:35] <SynrG> upstream did
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2503 [17:06:59] <SynrG> so if ubuntu re-enabled that for its own reasons, that goes against what upstream feels the best default is :p
2504 [17:07:06] <M-alex_mayorga> ¡Gracias! I'll keep digging.
2505 [17:07:15] <SynrG> debian is more inclined to believe that upstream knows what it's doing.
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2507 [17:07:24] <SynrG> and leave stuff like that alone
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2511 [17:08:10] <SebastianRasor01> Im stupid
2512 [17:08:18] <SebastianRasor01> I had already ran sudo in that terminal
2513 [17:08:25] <SebastianRasor01> It still doesnt work
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2522 [17:12:49] <Xin> hey all :)
2523 [17:13:01] <Xin> any xorg/x11 experts in here? xD
2524 [17:13:11] <Xin> I need to do something that seems entirely possible but tricky
2525 [17:13:25] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Per replaced-url
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2545 [17:21:11] <M-alex_mayorga> Upstream did change but now users are left with non-configurable touchpads. I'm rather new to Debian, just my 2nd week. But this seems like a bug or misfeature IMHO
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2549 [17:22:43] <jhutchins> M-alex_mayorga: Good work tracking it down.
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2551 [17:23:07] <jhutchins> M-alex_mayorga: I would think a bugreport with a link to the info on it being fixed and/or an RFP.
2552 [17:23:41] <M-alex_mayorga> jhutchins (IRC): ¿? RFP?
2553 [17:24:29] <jhutchins> Request For Packaging.
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2556 [17:25:13] <M-alex_mayorga> jhutchins (IRC): I'm too much of a n00b right now. Do you feel like hand holding me on this? =)
2557 [17:25:29] <jhutchins> M-alex_mayorga: I have no actual knowledge of the issue, so not really.
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2559 [17:25:45] <jhutchins> M-alex_mayorga: My availability is pretty intermittent as well.
2560 [17:26:12] <M-alex_mayorga> jhutchins (IRC): I see, thanks anyway.
2561 [17:26:48] <M-alex_mayorga> It is more like xserver-xorg-input-synaptics shall be removed.
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2563 [17:27:32] <M-alex_mayorga> I'll know for sure on the next reboot.
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2620 [17:49:39] <Xin> any xorg/x11 experts in here? xD
2621 [17:49:40] <Xin> I need to do something that seems entirely possible but tricky
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2623 [17:49:57] <greycat> !anyone
2624 [17:49:58] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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2633 [17:53:02] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: libinput is relatively new and that shouldn't affect jessie ....
2634 [17:53:44] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: jessie has gnome 3.14, not the versions discussed in that bug.
2635 [17:54:26] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: the claim in the bug is that 3.18 does not have the issue, but 3.20 does because of synaptics being obsolete & superseded by libinput
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2638 [17:55:33] <SynrG> what capability existed in 3.14 to configure tap to click, i have no idea. as i said, i no longer use gnome.
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2642 [17:56:08] <g00se> I've got an ancient Squeeze server that's just refusing to properly configure its Ethernet card. ifup is saying 'network unreachable'. It was all fine yesterday. Nothing obvious changed. Restarted the domestic router. Any hints for narrowing down the problem?
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2646 [17:58:11] <frostschutz> g00se, can you up it manually with ifconfig/ip? anything in dmesg? sometimes NICs just go bad... rebooted recently? if not you might have to flush some old rules out
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2650 [17:58:52] <g00se> frostschutz: i'll check. Thanks
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2658 [18:00:16] <g00se> frostschutz: i'm not actually sure what it's using now. Some early version of NetworkManager? So i'm not clear what command i should give
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2697 [18:14:58] <afernandez_> sed -e "s/a/b/" /tmp/file >/tmp/file
2698 [18:15:00] <afernandez_> While /tmp/file contains data, why is /tmp/file empty afterwards?
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2700 [18:16:28] <greycat> afernandez_: replaced-url
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2702 [18:16:50] <afernandez_> Thank you.
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2711 [18:19:23] <socomm> afernandez_: you can do in place substitution with 'sed -i'
2712 [18:19:30] <socomm> I'm sure its mentioned on that wiki page though
2713 [18:19:58] <afernandez_> Thanks.
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2725 [18:24:21] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Seems like this particular Debian is "stretch", so affected.
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2727 [18:24:31] <stoned> SynrG: ok thanks
2728 [18:24:38] <stoned> I like nano, I'm a pico/mutter
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2730 [18:24:56] <stoned> I never really got used to the whole vi edit/insert mode or something
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2736 [18:26:45] <stoned> SynrG: replaced-url
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2743 [18:30:49] <stoned> replaced-url
2744 [18:31:09] <stoned> Pretty much what I was looking for. 7gb of ram sitting unused on this xmonad stable box. eh. I'll try office.
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2750 [18:32:22] <stoned> lxpanel is a nice panel.
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2752 [18:32:49] <stoned> I used to use kicker from kde3, but now if you try to use plasma in xmonad, it will show you the plasma desktop widgets too, I don't want that.
2753 [18:33:00] <stoned> I wonder if there is something as good as kicker panel standalone I can use under xmonad
2754 [18:33:34] <stoned> If you know of any, plese tell
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2763 [18:36:40] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: your Xorg.0.log suggested you were using jessie
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2770 [18:38:35] <SynrG> also, that's how you framed your question. you said:
2771 [18:38:38] <SynrG> <M-alex_mayorga> ¡Hola! How to enable tap to click on a Synaptics touchpad in Jessie?
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2774 [18:39:01] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: were you mistaken?
2775 [18:39:17] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): I was under that impression, but it seems this it stretch from .list
2776 [18:39:39] <Not_a_Robot> Hi, is there anyone that can help me a little bit with screen command? I want to create a script that uses "cd" into some directories and start a program there. So I have 4 programs in 4 different directories and I want to start them using screen. How should be this script, please?
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2778 [18:40:02] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: also your log has:
2779 [18:40:03] <SebastianRasor01> I fixed it
2780 [18:40:04] <SynrG> [ 5.467] Current Operating System: Linux w530 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64
2781 [18:40:16] <SebastianRasor01> The problem was I was trying to run python as root
2782 [18:40:22] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: please put the output of 'apt-cache policy' into a paste
2783 [18:40:41] <SebastianRasor01> I just made another sh and ran that as root, I put python in there and fixed it all
2784 [18:41:03] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: really? that sounds wrong. you ought to be able to sudo python just as easily as a shell
2785 [18:41:17] <SebastianRasor01> So now it goes from startup.desktop > run.sh > headphones.sh > headphones.py
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2787 [18:41:31] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Please see replaced-url
2788 [18:41:39] <SebastianRasor01> Headphones.sh is the only thing with NOPASSWD privilages now
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2790 [18:41:59] <SebastianRasor01> Im gonna head out to get a drink
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2792 [18:42:30] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: but that doesn't tell me what your pin priorities are. at the very least, it looks like your xserver is from jessie
2793 [18:42:35] <SynrG> and your kernel
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2795 [18:42:51] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): replaced-url
2796 [18:42:53] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: have you only partially upgraded this system from jessie -> stretch?
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2798 [18:43:22] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Looks to me like this was Jessie from CD then upgraded.
2799 [18:43:34] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): I do not know.
2800 [18:43:35] <SynrG> well, you're definitely on stretch. but that doesn't explain your Xorg.0.log output which claims it's on a jessie kernel
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2803 [18:43:49] <SynrG> however, it does explain your bug.
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2806 [18:44:39] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: please show the output of 'apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64'
2807 [18:44:43] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): How do I fix this box so it is "true stretch"?
2808 [18:44:57] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: did you ever full-upgrade or dist-upgrade?
2809 [18:45:08] <SynrG> or do you only ever 'upgrade' or 'safe-upgrade'?
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2812 [18:45:42] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Please see replaced-url
2813 [18:46:11] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Unknown, this is an hand me down system
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2818 [18:47:00] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: ok, what's 'uname -a', then?
2819 [18:47:11] <SynrG> that's a one-liner. just paste it here
2820 [18:47:33] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Linux w530 4.6.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.4-1 (2016-07-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux
2821 [18:47:49] <SynrG> is your Xorg.0.log recent, or not? i'm thinking not
2822 [18:47:57] <SynrG> check the date on that
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2824 [18:48:06] <SynrG> or confirm it actually came from the right system :)
2825 [18:48:36] <jhutchins> SynrG: I once worked on a system that had bits of five different releases on it.
2826 [18:48:43] <M-alex_mayorga> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 75770 ago 3 13:43 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2827 [18:49:22] <SynrG> and that exactly matches replaced-url
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2830 [18:51:12] <SynrG> i mean, one of these two statements is false, that the kernel cmd line is:
2831 [18:51:15] <SynrG> [ 5.467] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 root=UUID=45d5a45c-3f0d-4db2-a169-7b3b982ccf4f ro initrd=/install/gtk/initrd.gz quiet
2832 [18:51:26] <SynrG> or that the uname -a output above is the real kernel
2833 [18:51:41] <SynrG> they can't be both true for the same system at once!
2834 [18:52:10] <SynrG> (not without 'clever' things like user-mode-linux or so)
2835 [18:52:55] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): So how do I fix this thing?
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2840 [18:54:32] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: nothing is broken. you've given me conflicting info ... they can't both be true
2841 [18:54:38] <SynrG> give me accurate info and i can help
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2844 [18:55:17] <SynrG> it looks like uname -a and Xorg.0.log are from two different systems, or at least from two completely different times in the evolution of the same system.
2845 [18:55:50] <SynrG> verify if you're really seeing those things on the same system. i can't believe it.
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2847 [18:56:35] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Truth is that .list does show Jessie and testing.
2848 [18:56:44] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): How do I correct that?
2849 [18:57:34] <nebg> hello everyone... i'm on my laptop debian machine... i want to use all the kali tools and i could install them manually but since it's more comfortable to install kali ... i was thinking at a debootstrap solution with chroot putting the kali repository... now i'm not a sysadmin... is this a stupid idea or it is doable ?
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2855 [18:59:04] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: it's not relevant until you can explain why the Xorg.0.log says the kernel you are booted on is jessie's kernel, but uname -a says you're on stretch's kernel.
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2857 [18:59:21] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: these are mutually contradictory outputs. they cannot be true for the same system at the same time.
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2859 [18:59:40] <SynrG> the jessie line is for the CD image. if you don't have the CD inserted, it's not relevant.
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2861 [19:00:24] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Shall I delete Xorg.0.log and reboot?
2862 [19:00:56] <Olof_szary> Hello. When the network interfaces starts at boot?
2863 [19:01:23] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: no. i'm pretty sure that's stale. i don't understand the timestamp on it, but it can't be recent.
2864 [19:01:24] <Olof_szary> ie How to be sure that my init.d scripts starts AFTER eth0 is running
2865 [19:01:45] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): You'll have to take my word for it, but all the data given is form the same box, is the only one I have.
2866 [19:01:48] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: if it truly is on the same system and couldn't be from any other system, then it can't be recent.
2867 [19:02:18] <cenysor> I downloaded infinality from github, but I can not build fontconfig-infinality
2868 [19:02:18] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: did you modify that file with a text editor or something?
2869 [19:02:28] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: otherwise, i can't explain why it would have a current timestamp on it
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2871 [19:03:11] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: what is your localtime?
2872 [19:03:18] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: and have you upgraded this box today?
2873 [19:03:26] <Not_a_Robot> Hi, is there anyone that can help me a little bit with screen command? I want to create a script that uses "cd" into some directories and start a program there. So I have 4 programs in 4 different directories and I want to start them using screen. How should be this script, please?
2874 [19:03:36] <SynrG> you said that file was created at 13:43
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2876 [19:03:49] <SynrG> is that recent for you?
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2878 [19:04:33] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): jue ago 11 12:04:03 CDT 2016
2879 [19:05:10] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Log file is ago 3, right?
2880 [19:05:47] <SynrG> sorry, that bit confused me. in english. august 3?
2881 [19:06:07] <SynrG> i did not see an english month name in there so my eyes skidded over that bit ...
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2883 [19:06:14] <SynrG> have you upgraded the system since that date?
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2885 [19:06:35] <SynrG> if so, then probably gnome puts its log somewhere else, ever since the Xorg runs as user change
2886 [19:06:50] <SynrG> but you *said* Jessie, so i never thought of that.
2887 [19:06:54] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): I'm in LATAM Spanish so Agosto = August
2888 [19:07:09] <SynrG> gotcha. so what happened here (my theory is now) ...
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2890 [19:07:24] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Sorry I was mislead myself
2891 [19:07:31] <SynrG> is you received this box as a jessie box. but it had (either added by you or its prior owner) a testing sources.list ...
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2893 [19:07:38] <SynrG> and then you upgraded it, and it became stretch
2894 [19:07:54] <M-alex_mayorga> Like I said I checked .list and saw Jessie.
2895 [19:08:02] <SynrG> either that or its prior owner upgraded it very recently before you received it
2896 [19:08:18] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): How to fully upgrade so it is true stretch?
2897 [19:08:24] <SynrG> it *is* true stretch
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2899 [19:08:39] <M-alex_mayorga> i.e. No Jessie in .list
2900 [19:08:39] <SynrG> the only inconsistency was that i assumed (incorrectly) you were showing me a current Xorg.0.log
2901 [19:08:45] <SynrG> it's irrelevant
2902 [19:08:45] <M-alex_mayorga> Is that even possible?
2903 [19:08:49] <SynrG> the pin priorities are all 500
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2905 [19:09:08] <M-alex_mayorga> Oh! OK then.
2906 [19:09:12] <SynrG> so the testing lines will take precedence since testing has later versions in it and pin priorities are equal
2907 [19:09:31] <SynrG> also the jessie line is for a CD which (I assume) isn't even in the box
2908 [19:09:43] <SynrG> you can get rid of that line and "apt-get update" and nothing will change
2909 [19:10:24] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: so as for the actual Xorg log, i forget where gnome now puts that.
2910 [19:11:27] <SebastianRasor01> Hey SynrG, why were you surprised at how I got my script to work?
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2912 [19:12:15] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: the solution is nonsense :(
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2914 [19:12:26] <SebastianRasor01> Solution works :)
2915 [19:12:29] <SebastianRasor01> lol
2916 [19:12:32] <SynrG> if it works, it's accidental
2917 [19:12:37] <SynrG> so you've learned nothing
2918 [19:12:43] <SynrG> worse. you've learned to do a thing that's insane
2919 [19:13:20] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Is there a command to fully upgrade this system?
2920 [19:13:49] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: 'apt-get dist-upgrade' (do 'apt-get update' first)
2921 [19:14:03] <M-alex_mayorga> OK
2922 [19:14:05] <SynrG> or: apt update && apt dist-upgrade
2923 [19:14:10] <SynrG> the new apt front-end is nice :)
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2925 [19:14:16] <SynrG> (new since jessie, btw)
2926 [19:14:28] <SebastianRasor01> SynrG, I think the reason it worked is because I wasn't executing the .py as a program, I was using 'sudo python /blah/headphones.py'
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2928 [19:15:03] <SebastianRasor01> So the rule didnt work because I wasnt doing 'sudo /blah/headphones.py'
2929 [19:15:07] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: so? that should work provided that the full path is authorized in sudoers
2930 [19:15:17] <SebastianRasor01> Well it didnt before
2931 [19:15:26] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: i.e. /usr/bin/python blahblah
2932 [19:15:35] <SynrG> where 'blahblah' is the name of your script and any other args
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2939 [19:16:06] <SynrG> you shouldn't ever authorize anything without a fully qualified path in sudoers
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2941 [19:16:14] <SynrG> the path *to the executable*
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2945 [19:16:36] <SebastianRasor01> So why wont the current solution work?
2946 [19:16:40] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): How good is your Spanish? =) replaced-url
2947 [19:16:43] <SynrG> so to simplify, your .desktop Exec=run.sh, and in run.sh, sudo /usr/bin/python blahblah
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2952 [19:17:00] <SebastianRasor01> That's what i was doing before
2953 [19:17:03] <SebastianRasor01> and it didnt work
2954 [19:17:06] <SynrG> and in sudoers, the NOPASSWD entry is for: /usr/bin/python blahblah
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2956 [19:17:28] <SynrG> with the full path to python spelled out, and the arguments exactly as per the line in run.sh
2957 [19:17:34] <SynrG> you did all of this exactly as i described?
2958 [19:17:39] <SebastianRasor01> oh, so in the sudoers in wasnt just the path to the .py?
2959 [19:17:42] <SynrG> no
2960 [19:17:52] <SynrG> that cannot work. it's not a path to an executable
2961 [19:17:57] <greycat> SynrG: I cannot imagine how you are still speaking coherently.
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2963 [19:18:07] <SynrG> greycat: :)
2964 [19:18:15] <SynrG> greycat: it's my superpower
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2969 [19:19:15] <SynrG> greycat: you can take the DD out of debian, but you can't take Debian out of the DD ... or something ;)
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2972 [19:19:40] <SebastianRasor01> Now it doesnt work
2973 [19:19:41] <SynrG> greycat: (i recently retired, in case you hadn't heard)
2974 [19:19:46] <SebastianRasor01> I did exactly what you said
2975 [19:19:53] <abrotman> I deleted the message, it wasn't true
2976 [19:19:55] <greycat> I hadn't. Err, congratulations I guess.
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2979 [19:20:32] <SynrG> greycat: thanks
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2982 [19:20:54] <SebastianRasor01> Nevermind, I am a complete idiot
2983 [19:21:05] <SebastianRasor01> Sorry for wasting your time lmao
2984 [19:21:20] <SynrG> not complete. you did eventually solve it :)
2985 [19:21:26] <SynrG> complete idiots leave without solutions
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2988 [19:21:38] <SebastianRasor01> Im still an idiot though lol
2989 [19:21:48] <SynrG> hopefully a bit smarter now :)
2990 [19:21:57] <M-alex_mayorga> SebastianRasor01 (IRC): Aren't we all?
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2993 [19:22:23] <SebastianRasor01> So now it should all be working, it goes from startup.desktop > run.py > headphones.py
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2995 [19:22:34] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: oh yeah, and, um ... journalctl -e /usr/bin/Xorg
2996 [19:22:35] <SebastianRasor01> run.sh*
2997 [19:22:36] <SynrG> i guess
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3001 [19:22:52] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: yay :)
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3004 [19:23:26] <SebastianRasor01> Why is startup stuff so hard in debian? In windows you just dropped it into a folder and you were done lmao
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3006 [19:23:59] <greycat> In Unix you just edited ~/.profile and you were done. But now we have these Desktop Environments, and everything is all chaotic and broken.
3007 [19:24:02] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): -- No entries --
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3009 [19:24:36] <SebastianRasor01> I've been using gnome for a couple weeks now
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3011 [19:25:17] <greycat> Successfully managing a dot-desktop thing after only a couple weeks is pretty good.
3012 [19:25:19] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Congrats on the retirement BTW, I don't think my generation here in Mexico would have such perk in the foreseable future =)
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3014 [19:26:17] <SebastianRasor01> Oh, It wasnt that hard, just make a .desktop file in, fill out everything you need and you're done
3015 [19:26:19] <eclipric> hi guys. I have one of those ISP usb mobile internet pens and I can seem to put it to work. Usually it should have some installer with it (inside the flash memory) but sudo fdisk -l shows no such flash device
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3018 [19:26:25] <SebastianRasor01> Its just getting it to autostart
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3020 [19:26:31] <SebastianRasor01> without a password prompt
3021 [19:26:32] <SebastianRasor01> pls no
3022 [19:27:14] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: as root?
3023 [19:27:21] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: i think root has a different view of it
3024 [19:27:34] <tharkun> I tried the usual mount /media/usb but my Android piece of crap does not get mounted. What am I doing wrong?
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3026 [19:27:42] <SebastianRasor01> If I were to change both run.sh and headphones.py to root ownership would that make them more secure?
3027 [19:27:45] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: oh, just retirement from Debian as a developer, not from my job :)
3028 [19:28:04] <MadRat-> Is it possible to get Unicode 9 emoji (with or without color) on Debian 8.5? If so how?
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3030 [19:28:15] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): # journalctl -e /usr/bin/Xorg
3031 [19:28:16] <M-alex_mayorga> -- No entries --
3032 [19:28:42] <SynrG> i don't know, then. maybe the wrong filter. in any case, i understand gnome logs that stuff to the systemd journal
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3034 [19:28:48] <SebastianRasor01> Hey SynrG,
3035 [19:28:50] <SebastianRasor01> If I were to change both run.sh and headphones.py to root ownership would that make them more secure?
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3038 [19:29:03] <SynrG> so the mystery of "where did the Xorg.0.log go?" is there, somewhere :)
3039 [19:29:19] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: unfortunately, without a gnome system running stretch, i can't easily test
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3042 [19:29:50] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): The actual file you mean? If so is /var/log
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3047 [19:30:15] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: no. i mean, i don't think with gnome, the Xorg log is kept in /var/log anymore
3048 [19:30:33] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Saw my last pastebin? Seems like apt-secure does not like the traces of Jessie.
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3050 [19:30:35] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: i think it goes into the systemd journal. but apparently i have the journalctl arguments wrong for stretch
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3052 [19:30:50] <SynrG> no, i didn't
3053 [19:31:06] <SynrG> !tell M-alex_mayorga about localised errors
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3055 [19:31:44] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: well, you certainly don't want the user modifying either of these.
3056 [19:31:57] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: this probably also means you don't want them living in the user's home anywhere
3057 [19:32:13] <SynrG> as the user might simply rename the file and replace it with one of their own
3058 [19:32:49] <SynrG> it doesn't matter that run.sh is owned by the user, since you only authorized the headphones.py
3059 [19:33:00] <SynrG> so that's the one that's critical to make non-user-modifiable
3060 [19:33:15] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Now in English replaced-url
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3062 [19:33:39] <SebastianRasor01> alright, I'll edit the permissions real quick
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3064 [19:33:48] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: huh? didn't you remove that from /etc/apt/sources.list?
3065 [19:34:04] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: is there anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
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3067 [19:34:17] <Olof_szary> how to be sure during init/boot that interfaces are started
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3069 [19:34:28] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: you didn't just accidentally only remove the commented-out line but forget the real line?
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3071 [19:34:33] <Olof_szary> should I manually put dhclient iface in rc.local?
3072 [19:34:42] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Shall I remove all CD lines from there?
3073 [19:34:57] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: yes. it doesn't serve any purpose anymore
3074 [19:34:58] <eclipric> guys
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3080 [19:35:11] <eclipric> I need to configure a usb 4g internet provider flash drive
3081 [19:35:16] <eclipric> device
3082 [19:35:17] * M-alex_mayorga has not modified /etc/apt/sources.list today.
3083 [19:35:17] <eclipric> In myh debian machisne
3084 [19:35:50] <eclipric> shouldn't it appear with sudo -fdisk -l?
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3086 [19:35:59] <eclipric> under /dev/sdb<>
3087 [19:36:13] <SebastianRasor01> alright, so i'm all set now?
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3089 [19:36:16] <Olof_szary> eclipric: sometimes you need to send it something
3090 [19:36:31] <M-alex_mayorga> eclipric (IRC): More like lsusb
3091 [19:36:34] <eclipric> you mean a hardware signal?
3092 [19:36:39] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: i can't say if you're all set unless you say what you did :) i recommended headphones.py not be in the user dir, and not be owned by the user.
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3094 [19:36:54] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: but of course, then you would have to change sudoers and run.sh again to reflect the new path.
3095 [19:37:04] <SebastianRasor01> alright, should
3096 [19:37:04] <M-alex_mayorga> eclipric (IRC): And unless it is rather obscure NetworkManager usually takes care.
3097 [19:37:10] <Olof_szary> eclipric: In one device I was using I had to do: usb_modeswitch -v 12d1 -p 15ca -V 12d1 -P 1506 -M"55534243123456780000000000000011062000000100000000000000000000"
3098 [19:37:22] <SebastianRasor01> should I move it under the root home?
3099 [19:37:36] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: i would normally put local scripts in /usr/local/bin
3100 [19:37:39] <Olof_szary> in others, It was just working "out of box"
3101 [19:37:51] <SebastianRasor01> alright
3102 [19:37:56] <SynrG> that's FHS
3103 [19:38:01] <SynrG> !tell SebastianRasor01 about fhs
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3105 [19:39:10] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Here's /etc/apt/sources.list replaced-url
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3107 [19:39:15] <SebastianRasor01> alrighty, should I do some research on that a bit more?
3108 [19:39:25] <Olof_szary> eclipric: and then /dev/ttyUSBXX may appear
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3111 [19:39:32] <eclipric> theres a usb device I got with lsusb called Broadcom Corp.
3112 [19:39:34] <eclipric> okay
3113 [19:39:37] <eclipric> I'llcheck
3114 [19:39:53] <M-alex_mayorga> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is empty
3115 [19:40:00] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: yeah, so get rid of everything from lines 1 through 5
3116 [19:40:02] <Olof_szary> eclipric: If I were you, I'd check for vendour information
3117 [19:40:13] <eclipric> there's no information
3118 [19:40:29] <eclipric> this is oriented for windows
3119 [19:40:35] <eclipric> most likely
3120 [19:40:46] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: but i wish to stress that, so long as your system has been upgraded regularly, this only removes "junk" lines that were ignored anyway ...
3121 [19:40:47] <Olof_szary> so, it is an usb drive, you install some exe and then it works?
3122 [19:40:53] <eclipric> yeah
3123 [19:40:54] <SynrG> it doesn't substantially change the identity of the system
3124 [19:40:55] <maziar> connect my camera HDMI output to my Debian laptop, and i want to record it, how should i do it?
3125 [19:41:11] <eclipric> maybe it also has a linux installer with it
3126 [19:41:12] <eclipric> idk
3127 [19:41:20] <eclipric> could help if I could mount it
3128 [19:41:24] <Olof_szary> eclipric: so 90% of chance that you have to manually switch it from usb drive to usb modem
3129 [19:41:38] <Olof_szary> or vice versa
3130 [19:41:40] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: FHS? that's for your information only
3131 [19:42:15] <Olof_szary> eclipric: you can also manually connect it like: echo -e "AT^NDISDUP=1,1,\"Internet\"\r\n" > /dev/ttyUSB3
3132 [19:42:19] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: it is a map of where things go in the virtual filesystem hierarchy. Debian tends to adhere to that when deciding where things go
3133 [19:42:33] <SebastianRasor01> Ok, is there a way I can make a .desktop execute everything inside a folder instead of just one program?
3134 [19:42:41] <Olof_szary> instead of Internet - refer to internet provider what to connect to
3135 [19:42:45] <SynrG> i don't know what that means
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3137 [19:42:51] <SynrG> what is "everything"?
3138 [19:42:59] <Olof_szary> and then ifconfig wwan0 up && dhclient wwan0
3139 [19:43:04] <SebastianRasor01> all executable programs
3140 [19:43:05] <greycat> I think he wants for f in "$dir"/*; do "$f"; done
3141 [19:43:12] <greycat> but I don't know how to express that in dot-desktop
3142 [19:43:18] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: under what circumstances is this a useful thing to do?
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3144 [19:43:45] <SynrG> greycat: with a sh command passing it that as its command argument?
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3146 [19:44:02] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Thanks! Commented out line 5 and apt update && apt dist-upgrade went through.
3147 [19:44:10] <SynrG> greycat: if it's executable, you can put it in the Exec= line
3148 [19:44:14] <SebastianRasor01> if I had other scripts that I wanted to run on startup but I didn't want to put into my run.py
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3151 [19:44:44] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: i see. i would advise against making one script "do it all" and giving it sweeping permissions to do that
3152 [19:44:45] <greycat> SynrG: can you put a line of /bin/sh code?
3153 [19:44:53] <SynrG> or did i misunderstand you?
3154 [19:45:03] <SynrG> greycat: i don't see why not ...
3155 [19:45:30] <SynrG> grep -r Exec=.*/sh /usr/share/applications/
3156 [19:45:44] <SynrG> /usr/share/applications/netbeans-6.8.desktop:Exec=/bin/sh "/opt/netbeans-6.8/bin/netbeans"
3157 [19:45:51] <SynrG> hmm
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3159 [19:45:59] <SynrG> /usr/share/applications/screensavers/shadebobs.desktop:Exec=/usr/lib/xscreensaver/shadebobs -root
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3162 [19:46:07] <SynrG> greycat: two instances in the wild :)
3163 [19:46:08] <SebastianRasor01> I think so, I'm talking about having a folder with my run.py, and any other scripts that I needed to run on startup.
3164 [19:46:14] <SebastianRasor01> I wouldnt change any permissions
3165 [19:46:26] <SynrG> oh wait
3166 [19:46:32] <SynrG> false hit on the second one, haha
3167 [19:47:04] <SynrG> should've been: grep -r 'Exec=.*/sh\b' /usr/share/applications/
3168 [19:47:07] <greycat> SynrG: OK, then SebastianRasor01 could use Exec=/bin/sh -c 'for f in /some/dir/*; do test -x "$f" && "$f"; done'
3169 [19:47:21] <SynrG> seems about right
3170 [19:47:45] <SebastianRasor01> Alright, so that tests if it's executable, and if it is it executes it?
3171 [19:48:08] <greycat> yes
3172 [19:48:08] <SynrG> the other way to do this is to script-generate individual .desktop files per things living in /some/dir
3173 [19:48:23] <SynrG> that has the advantage that you can use the ordinary desktop mechanism for disabling things to autostart
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3176 [19:48:38] <SynrG> i.e. leave it in place, but modify the .desktop file to disable starting it
3177 [19:48:38] <SebastianRasor01> I'd rather not have to make a new .desktop for every script
3178 [19:48:45] <SynrG> just saying. probably cleaner :)
3179 [19:48:46] <greycat> I'm assuming the quote-parsing of Exec= is what I expect it to be.
3180 [19:48:52] <ultimaq> epiphany
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3182 [19:48:58] <ultimaq> sorry about that
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3184 [19:49:22] <SynrG> greycat: i'm assuming there's no quote-parsing at all, and that whole thing is just passed verbatim to /bin/sh
3185 [19:49:28] <Ori_B> well, this is fun.
3186 [19:49:35] <Ori_B> I have a system which can't ping localhost.
3187 [19:49:36] <SynrG> it reads the args list and "does the right thing"
3188 [19:50:11] <greycat> Needs testing.
3189 [19:50:48] <greycat> Ori_B: check /etc/hosts and /etc/nsswitch.conf first
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3192 [19:51:05] <greycat> Ori_B: also, what error do you get?
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3196 [19:52:12] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): So how to flag about this bug in stretch replaced-url
3197 [19:52:48] <maziar> I connect my camera HDMI output to my Debian laptop, and i want to record it, how should i do it?
3198 [19:53:01] <greycat> M-alex_mayorga: figure out which package is responsible. Check for existing bugs at replaced-url
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3202 [19:54:09] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: ah, right, back to the original problem :)
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3206 [19:55:18] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Yup! =) Still no "tap to click"
3207 [19:55:24] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: not sure if it's a bug ... if you run testing, this is just life. you can have issues that are just because things aren't finished yet ...
3208 [19:55:32] <SynrG> did you see the very last comment on that page?
3209 [19:55:35] <SynrG> "apt-get purge xserver-xorg-input-synaptics"
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3211 [19:55:44] <SynrG> that's what one user reported was all that was needed.
3212 [19:55:47] <ultimaq> hey guys I was wondering how to downgrade webkit for use on epiphany
3213 [19:55:58] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Yup! I'm yet to reboot, but hopefully then touchpad settings would be back.
3214 [19:56:32] <Ori_B> greycat: I can resolve the host just fine.
3215 [19:56:36] <Ori_B> but the socket times out connecting to it.
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3217 [19:56:56] <Ori_B> well. trying with telnet.
3218 [19:56:56] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: also if you continue running stretch, we support that on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
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3220 [19:57:04] <Ori_B> with ping it just drops all packets.
3221 [19:57:21] <Ori_B> greycat: also, it works over v6, but not v4
3222 [19:57:21] <greycat> Ori_B: OK, not a name resolution issue? Then look at your firewall.
3223 [19:57:35] <greycat> Or whatever you changed in syscto.
3224 [19:57:37] <greycat> sysctl*
3225 [19:57:39] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Thanks! Good to know.
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3227 [19:58:02] <SynrG> greycat: unfortunately, purging of old crap from your system can't be achieved with just a change of deps, otherwise an upgrade of xorg-input-all (or so) could just conflict with the obsolete synaptics ...
3228 [19:58:10] <Ori_B> greycat: ...wat.
3229 [19:58:11] <SynrG> if a purge is *really* an integral part of the solution
3230 [19:58:16] <Ori_B> greycat: firewall rules are it.
3231 [19:58:26] <SynrG> the article M-alex_mayorga linked implied it was
3232 [19:58:26] <Ori_B> but.DROP all -- localhost anywhere
3233 [19:58:28] <Ori_B> but... wtf.
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3237 [19:59:22] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga: in general, you would use the 'reportbug' tool, but i'm not sure against which package you'd file it ...
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3241 [20:00:22] <gebruiker> the fonts on ubuntu look much better, espesially with browsing than on my debian installation. any recommendations to get the ubuntu quality?
3242 [20:00:48] <greycat> SynrG: so it would go in a postinst script, probably.
3243 [20:01:03] <SynrG> M-alex_mayorga, greycat: looking at xserver-xorg-input-all, it does not depend on synaptics. that's good. in jessie, it did
3244 [20:01:05] <M-alex_mayorga> gebruiker (IRC): Get Ubuntu to upstream their fonts =)
3245 [20:01:11] <SynrG> so in the normal case, it would be subject to autoremoval
3246 [20:01:29] <SynrG> so if someone did "apt-get autoremove --purge" after upgrading jessie -> stretch, that would take care of it
3247 [20:01:32] <croddy> it's not the font files themselves. it's a combination of their lcdfilter, their factory default fontconfigs, and their builds of the web browsers
3248 [20:01:45] <croddy> if you really care about getting the ubuntu font look the best and easiest way to do that is to install ubuntu
3249 [20:02:02] <SynrG> greycat: putting a purge in a postinst script is questionable. wouldn't that be "destroying precious files" without the user's permission?
3250 [20:02:25] <croddy> there is not really universal agreement on what it is for font rendering to look "better", though, so if you want to stay on debian then you should learn about how the font rendering system works and start writing your own fonts.conf to set it up as you like
3251 [20:02:32] <greycat> SynrG: I was thinking "rm -f a specific file that we know will cause grief if it is present", but I can see how it's a sticky issue.
3252 [20:02:38] <SynrG> yes :)
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3254 [20:02:54] <james1988> hello
3255 [20:03:06] <gebruiker> croddy, your assumptions are faulty
3256 [20:03:12] <SynrG> greycat: i think i'd want to talk to #debian-x before filing such a bug. i don't want to just make work :/
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3258 [20:03:43] <SynrG> and then i'd want to compare the results of gnome-on-stretch with xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed, and then removed, vs. installed, and then purged.
3259 [20:03:43] <croddy> gebruiker i don't intend to get into an extended argument about this, but i am obviously unaware of any faulty assumptions i have made
3260 [20:04:06] <SynrG> and this is the point at which i get bored of the problem and shrug
3261 [20:04:27] <SynrG> hoping someone else (who cares about gnome!) will go the extra mile and do thiis
3262 [20:04:29] <SynrG> this*
3263 [20:04:37] <gebruiker> croddy, i did not want to make an extensive argument telling what I did and did not do, I am interested in hearing about your insights into this matter basedupon your own experiences
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3266 [20:05:26] <gebruiker> croddy, so inductive wise
3267 [20:05:35] <gebruiker> instead of deductive
3268 [20:06:20] <croddy> my experience is that you should enable rgb subpixel antialiasing, use slight hinting, disable all embedded bitmaps, avoid unusual fonts, and give up permanently on the dream of fonts ever looking good in firefox. your mileage may vary.
3269 [20:06:40] <SebastianRasor01> SynrG, I found a really easily solution to what I was asking
3270 [20:06:45] <SebastianRasor01> run-parts
3271 [20:06:55] <croddy> (and use the default lcdfilter)
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3273 [20:07:16] <administ2ator> okay
3274 [20:07:18] <administ2ator> I am the usb drive guy
3275 [20:07:28] <administ2ator> had 2 reboot
3276 [20:07:42] <administ2ator> so your suggestion would be to ?
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3279 [20:09:08] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: ah, yes. forgot about run-parts
3280 [20:09:17] <SynrG> but that's routinely used in packaging
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3283 [20:09:44] <SebastianRasor01> What do you mean by that?
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3285 [20:10:11] <administ2ator> btw sudo fdisk -l doesn't show the usb device
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3287 [20:10:16] <SynrG> i mean, "in another life i saw this"
3288 [20:10:24] <administ2ator> after lsusb
3289 [20:10:31] <SynrG> but then forgot, so didn't mention it (not in the right context to remember :)
3290 [20:10:31] <SebastianRasor01> Oh, so it's fine to use?
3291 [20:10:42] <SynrG> just making excuses for not telling you about it ;)
3292 [20:10:44] <SynrG> it's fine to use
3293 [20:10:57] <SebastianRasor01> Alright, I was a bit confused lol
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3295 [20:11:12] <SebastianRasor01> Now I got my startup situation all figured out
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3297 [20:11:21] <SynrG> i mean, i should've known, since i've seen it in action before ...
3298 [20:11:23] <SebastianRasor01> It should be super easy to add a new script
3299 [20:11:26] <SebastianRasor01> oh
3300 [20:11:33] <SebastianRasor01> i understand now
3301 [20:11:38] <SynrG> i can't even use the excuse that i'm 50 yet ... not for another 2 months
3302 [20:12:03] <SebastianRasor01> Are you blonde?
3303 [20:12:14] <SynrG> nope. can't use that either
3304 [20:12:21] <SebastianRasor01> I got nothing lol
3305 [20:12:26] <SynrG> i carry blond genes ...
3306 [20:12:34] <SebastianRasor01> ^
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3309 [20:12:45] <SebastianRasor01> I say that I was super blonde when i was a baby
3310 [20:12:53] <SebastianRasor01> That usually doesnt work though
3311 [20:12:57] <SebastianRasor01> my hair is almost black now
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3313 [20:13:37] <SynrG> :) ... anyway, #debian-offtopic
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3315 [20:13:47] <SynrG> and i'm out. commute home by bike
3316 [20:13:49] <SynrG> later
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3319 [20:14:11] <SebastianRasor01> wait
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3321 [20:14:17] <SebastianRasor01> You should get an engine kit
3322 [20:14:18] <M-alex_mayorga> SynrG (IRC): Be safe out there =)
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3324 [20:14:35] <SebastianRasor01> Super fuel efficient and very fun to ride and maintain.
3325 [20:14:50] <M-alex_mayorga> administ2ator (IRC): Pleas paste the full line of lsusb that you suspect is the 4G stick.
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3329 [20:16:06] <administ2ator> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 12d1:157c Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
3330 [20:16:51] <administ2ator> my isp description shows instructions as a self installing PC mobile internet usb device
3331 [20:17:01] <administ2ator> and I agree
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3333 [20:17:04] <administ2ator> in windows it works
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3337 [20:17:42] <administ2ator> what would be the line of work here to put this thing working
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3339 [20:17:54] <administ2ator> do I need to reverse engineer the windows binary?
3340 [20:18:07] <administ2ator> what the installer does etc...
3341 [20:18:10] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: and totally defeats the purpose :)
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3343 [20:18:23] <administ2ator> I suspect it will install a usb-network driver
3344 [20:19:01] <SynrG> SebastianRasor01: started cycling this summer after being given a bike, and that replaced my normal mostly walking commute ... which is to enjoy nature and get exercise.
3345 [20:19:32] <SynrG> half the commute is on trails (well, except this week: travel ban in effect due to forest fires)
3346 [20:20:06] <SynrG> ok, truly gone. seeya :)
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3350 [20:22:06] <SebastianRasor01> alright
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3352 [20:22:09] <SebastianRasor01> have fun
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3355 [20:22:25] <ultimaq> trying to manage webkit and make epiphany work better, its not even sid's fault #thejoyoflinux
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3394 [20:33:42] <SebastianRasor01> LOL
3395 [20:33:50] <SebastianRasor01> Google support page put this up:
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3397 [20:33:57] <SebastianRasor01> We apologize for any inconvenience you are experiencing with Pokémon Go. Please contact the developer Niantic with any issues. Google Play support agents are unable to resolve this issue at this time.
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3399 [20:34:35] <greycat> (how is this related to debian?)
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3405 [20:39:03] <v1s> is it possible to use wparoam on multible interfaces with different configs
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3407 [20:40:37] <Xin> hey guys my debian install cant resolve hostnames on my LAN
3408 [20:40:46] <Xin> im new to debian, used to ubuntu heh
3409 [20:40:50] <SebastianRasor01> greycat, wrong chat, my bad.
3410 [20:40:55] <Xin> I changed my hostname and have network connectivity
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3427 [20:46:31] <Xin> all fixed
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3492 [21:10:44] <SebastianRasor01> Does anyone here have a Yubikey? Mine works but the personalization GUI won't pick it up.
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3545 [21:35:48] <ocmurf> anyone know of a good guide for what to do if debian doesnt show up in grub menu after moving from stable to testing and running aptitude safe-upgrade
3546 [21:36:14] <greycat> !debian-next
3547 [21:36:15] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3553 [21:37:58] <yeezi> Struggling to boot into installer mode with a liveusb
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3556 [21:38:20] <yeezi> Running Windows 10 on dell latitude e5550
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3558 [21:38:26] <missmbob> yeezi: live doesn't support uefi.
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3560 [21:39:05] <yeezi> How should I mount the iso onto my usb stick please?
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3562 [21:39:44] <missmbob> yeezi: use this iso replaced-url
3563 [21:39:46] <up2late> that google thing must be hard to use
3564 [21:39:59] <missmbob> yeezi: then if you're using windows use this to make the usb (dont use ANY other tool):
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3566 [21:40:04] <missmbob> !win32diskimager
3567 [21:40:05] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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3573 [21:41:54] <yeezi> Thanks @missmbob , I tried using win32 but I encountered an error message early on. I'll try again when I get home. After that it's as simple as restarting my pc with the usb plugged in right ?
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3575 [21:42:11] <missmbob> yeezi: should be
3576 [21:42:39] <jmcnaught> yeezi: taking a look at replaced-url
3577 [21:42:45] <missmbob> yeezi: make sure you use the exact iso i linked you to. that has uefi support and hopefully works with your wifi (it includes firmware unlike other isos)
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3580 [21:44:30] <yeezi> Thank you! I'll try it and report back
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3621 [22:07:24] <rossoanto> ciao
3622 [22:07:30] <rossoanto> !list
3623 [22:07:30] <dpkg> rossoanto: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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3627 [22:08:14] <M-alex_mayorga> administ2ator (IRC): replaced-url
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3635 [22:10:33] <jhutchins> M-alex_mayorga: He didn't stick around.
3636 [22:10:52] <M-alex_mayorga> Duh! =)
3637 [22:11:06] <jhutchins> M-alex_mayorga: Most IRC clients will tab-complete a nick if the user is still in-channel.
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3639 [22:11:40] <M-alex_mayorga> jhutchins (IRC): Not vector.im at the time =(
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3671 [22:24:16] <vhf> anyone using debian 8.4? I'm trying to know which GCC version was used to build its python3 binary, so if someone could simple run $ python3 and give me the line containing '[GCC x.x.x]' it'd be helpful :)
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3676 [22:25:52] <jmcnaught> vhf: GCC 4.9.1. Most (or maybe all) software in Debian 8 will be built with the same GCC version
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3678 [22:26:04] <vhf> many thanks jmcnaught!
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3687 [22:30:04] <ultimaq> why is epiphany being such a jerk -_-
3688 [22:30:37] <ultimaq> seriously why don't you just let me love you, why cant you be like midori epiph WHY~!
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3697 [22:35:23] <yeezi_> All files in one partition or seperate home partition
3698 [22:35:25] <yeezi_> ?
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3701 [22:36:21] <greycat> I'm a strong proponent of /home being separate.
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3704 [22:36:51] <yeezi_> Can you explain the advantages please?
3705 [22:36:53] <greycat> If you ever have to reinstall, or if you ever want to dual-boot and share /home between them, it becomes so much simpler.
3706 [22:37:06] <yeezi_> Okay thank you, any drawbacks?
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3708 [22:38:03] <greycat> You might accidentally make it too small, or too large, or whatever. Same drawback with any other multi-partition scheme that isn't using logical volumes.
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3714 [22:39:08] <yeezi_> Thanks, I'm using the guided partitioning for my first install so I'm going to follow your advice with a seperate home!
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3718 [22:40:58] <user212312> Why /etc/profile.d/* are not being sourced when I login? Debian 8
3719 [22:41:17] <ultimaq> anyone have a good and lightweight webbrowser to use?
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3724 [22:42:45] <M-alex_mayorga> ultimaq (IRC): curl =)
3725 [22:42:50] <winsen> does anyone know how to restaure etwork manager. I tried many ways to restore it, with dvd, to reinstall by commande line, dclient eth0, eth1.. unfortunetely it doesn't work.
3726 [22:43:01] <winsen> network manager
3727 [22:43:19] <ultimaq> how is curl is it easy and nice to use?
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3731 [22:43:35] <ultimaq> I want something that will be a good alternative to firefox and chromium
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3735 [22:45:37] <user212312> ultimaq: what makes you think they (firefox and chrome) are heavy?
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3738 [22:46:22] <greycat> Eyes.
3739 [22:47:00] <greycat> Unless he's blind, in which case it's probably his ears, after the computer does some text-to-speech.
3740 [22:47:09] <user212312> greycat: do you know why my /etc/profile.d/ scripts are not being sourced?
3741 [22:47:18] <greycat> Because you aren't logging in with a shell, most likely.
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3744 [22:47:34] <user212312> greycat: i am
3745 [22:47:48] <greycat> Are you? You login on a text console under getty/login? Or ssh?
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3747 [22:48:01] <greycat> In a shell that is not csh or tcsh?
3748 [22:48:07] <user212312> su [username]
3749 [22:48:16] <greycat> su without the - doesn't create a login shell
3750 [22:48:21] <user212312> ok thanks
3751 [22:48:23] <ultimaq> I just want something that would work well ya know
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3757 [22:49:02] <jhutchins> ultimaq: curl is not a web browser. Maybe a google search for "linux console browser"?
3758 [22:49:07] <winsen> any clue guys?
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3761 [22:49:26] <jhutchins> winsen: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
3762 [22:49:52] <jhutchins> winsen: Most of how NM works is how you configure it.
3763 [22:49:59] <ultimaq> yea i just looked up curl and realized that he was kidding, and i just wanted to know if the community had any personal recommendations
3764 [22:50:17] <Khudher> i have some (suspend/hibernation) errors, they usually happen when i use my laptop for a long time (probably when i use a lot of RAM), i have upgraded my laptop memory from 4GB to 12GB, i have no idea why does this problem occurs, but i have some doubts about not enough swap space which is 4GB, i got a 'dmesg' message saying that hibernation image not found, so maybe my ram usage was actually bigger than my swap partition
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3767 [22:51:03] <croddy> ultimaq: what features do you want to give up from mozilla/chrome?
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3779 [22:55:35] <jhutchins> Khudher: You can suspend-to-ram, but you can not suspend-to-disk unless your swap is at least as big as your ram
3780 [22:56:10] <winsen> croddy: I tried to restore by dvd, commande line like dhclient eth0,...eth1, ...eth2, I tried to follow these steps : replaced-url
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3782 [22:56:39] <croddy> winsen i am about to leave the office and i think you wanted to highlight someone else, not me
3783 [22:57:00] <ultimaq> I would want to have contained tabs and a lightweight experience I dont really care about netflix or anything else that they bring
3784 [22:57:10] <jhutchins> Khudher: Since Linux tries to make use of all of the available RAM, how much you think you've used for a program isn't relevant.
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3787 [22:57:24] <winsen> croddy: do you mean that you won't be able to help?
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3791 [22:58:46] <croddy> ultimaq well, if you want to render pages with the same capabilities as mozilla and chrome, and look at the same number of open tabs at the same time, then i suggest you keep using mozilla and/or chrome. the cpu and memory utilization you are noticing is simply the cost of having lots of modern webpages open at the same time. there is no secret lightweight web browser out there that uses half the resources.
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3793 [22:59:01] <croddy> winsen i don't even know what you are talking about
3794 [22:59:38] <winsen> croddy: Do you mean that you never heard about network manager?
3795 [23:00:10] <croddy> winsen i am going away now. i am locking my workstation and walking away. please pester someone else because i will not hear you anymore
3796 [23:00:43] <winsen> croddy: ok bye
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3801 [23:03:04] <winsen> any clue guys?
3802 [23:03:06] <ultimaq> hey im loggin out as well
3803 [23:03:08] <ultimaq> peace
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3822 [23:11:36] <jhutchins> winsen: Please see message from dpkg regarding network manager. You have not provided enough information for any of us to have a clue.
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3826 [23:15:06] <OerHeks> winsen, check with ifconfig what the adapter name is, there has been a change in interface naming / systemD.
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3829 [23:16:24] <yeezi> Network unreachable after ping 8.8.8.8
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3831 [23:16:35] <yeezi> Fresh install, what to do?
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3837 [23:19:23] <klys> it's getting to be rather painful to keep binutils 2.25 installed so that I can still build working kernels
3838 [23:19:29] <awal1> yeezi, have you configured wired/wifi durring install?
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3840 [23:20:04] <yeezi> Yes, I have used wifi and it worked fine during install
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3842 [23:21:06] <awal1> try restarting networking service
3843 [23:21:19] <foormea> hi. silly question: in order to display a GUI program remotely, i'd normally ssh -X <host> then simply execute the program, and it will display on the client. is there a way to achieve this without having an X server on the server side? thanks
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3850 [23:22:56] <klys> foormea, vncviewer + vnc4server
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3854 [23:23:16] <foormea> mh mh replaced-url
3855 [23:23:24] <foormea> klys: i have no X running on the server side
3856 [23:24:12] <klys> foormea, then you could use xvnc4viewer on the client and a vnc4viewer on the server
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3858 [23:24:34] <yeezi> Tried restarting networking service , no change
3859 [23:24:36] <klys> *server on the client
3860 [23:24:40] <jmcnaught> foormea: normally the X server runs on the client computer. The X server manages access to the display, mouse and keyboard.
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3862 [23:24:58] <jmcnaught> yeezi: how have you configured networking? Are you using a GUI?
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3868 [23:25:38] <yeezi> I configured networking during install and it was fine. Stupidly not using gui
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3870 [23:26:09] <jmcnaught> yeezi: did you install a desktop environment, or are you on the command line only?
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3872 [23:26:18] <yeezi> Cli only
3873 [23:26:27] <yeezi> And now can't install a de
3874 [23:26:30] <klys> *viewer on your remote machine
3875 [23:26:50] <jmcnaught> yeezi: replaced-url
3876 [23:26:53] <miskatonic> not everyone without a desktop is command-line only
3877 [23:26:55] <foormea> uh okay nevermind me, actually it's already working, X on the client, no X on the server, works just fine. i'm just silly :D
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3882 [23:28:36] <jmcnaught> miskatonic: sure, but the installer offers to install desktop environments, not window managers and this is a fresh install
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3886 [23:29:10] <foormea> just had an issue with tmux and the DISPLAY variable that for some reason wasn't passed into my tmux sessions
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3888 [23:29:17] <klys> has anyone else tried to build a recent 32-bit kernel with binutils 2.26 ?
3889 [23:30:20] <jmcnaught> klys: you might find someone who has on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, the testing/unstable channel
3890 [23:30:21] <autofsckk> hi, this is not a debian question per se, but i hope somebody here can give me some help, i transfered 1 boot partition and other 3 inside lvm from a 64G solid disk to a 320G normal disk, i also changed the size of the partitions inside lvm, i copied with dd the mbr (512) from the original disk, my question is that if i restore it on the new disk it will brake everything right? because it will restore
3891 [23:30:27] <autofsckk> the partition table also? sould i ...
3892 [23:30:30] <autofsckk> ... copy only the first 446 bytes? or is it better to reinstall grub or how is the best/safest way to do this?
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3896 [23:31:44] <amir107> hey
3897 [23:31:47] <klys> autofsckk, you're copying partitions? how do you think you will overwrite your partition table?
3898 [23:31:49] <autofsckk> i think it should be something like this dd if=/tmp/mbrsda.bak of=/dev/sdb bs=446 count=1
3899 [23:32:11] <amir107> guys check out my friend video its about windows 10 it help you using it and fixing problems you never knew about replaced-url
3900 [23:32:12] <autofsckk> klys: by recovering the mbr
3901 [23:32:15] <amir107> guys check out my friend video its about windows 10 it help you using it and fixing problems you never knew about replaced-url
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3903 [23:32:22] <klys> autofsckk, just reinstall grub.
3904 [23:33:01] <klys> grub-install /dev/sdb
3905 [23:33:09] <jmcnaught> foormea: you might find xpra useful (it's like a screen/tmux for X11) but i haven't actually used it, just read about it
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3909 [23:33:25] <klys> make sure devices.map is correct first
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3911 [23:34:07] <foormea> jmcnaught: mh let me read about it, thanks for the suggestion
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3934 [23:41:22] <autofsckk> klys: i took a backup with fsarchiver of every partition and ther restore it in a different disk with different size on every partition so the partition table is not going to be the same on both disk right? so if i copy the same mbr from the 64 disk to the 320G it wont work? im not really sure, i mean im not an expert thats why i am asking people here that know much more than me :D
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3936 [23:41:47] <winsen> jhutchins: I am sorry, I missed your message. first time it said you NM is under mask. I tried to restart network...at the end I did fatal following command line"systemctl unmask NetworkManager-dispatcher.service"
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3938 [23:42:44] <klys> autofsckk, best to leave the partition table alone once it's partitioned.
3939 [23:42:46] <winsen> OerHeks:how can I clean my etc/network.interfaces file and create a new one?
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3944 [23:44:48] <autofsckk> klys: ok i see, look i read this replaced-url
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3954 [23:46:23] <klys> autofsckk, that won't be the same. just reinstall grub.
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3956 [23:46:41] <winsen> now. I don't know why i can not restore it from dvd installation?
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3965 [23:48:28] <winsen> jhutchins: can you please tell me how can purge/clean "etc/network.interfaces" I make it properly?
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3971 [23:50:49] <yeezi> Configuring apt hangs on file 4 of 9
3972 [23:51:07] <yeezi> Tried a couple different mirrors and no luck, what to do?
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3975 [23:53:44] <SerajewelKS> winsen: it depends on the names of your network devices
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3977 [23:54:56] <SebastianRasor01> Does anyone here have a Yubikey? Mine works but the personalization GUI won't pick it up.
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3981 [23:55:48] <SerajewelKS> winsen: the simplest would be something like: auto lo \n iface lo inet loopback \n allow-hotplug eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp (where \n are newlines)
3982 [23:55:56] <SerajewelKS> winsen: obviously this only works if your network card is eth0
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3994 [23:59:53] <b6s3d> hi guys, im having a little problem here, i am trying to install ElectricSheep and its a totally pain in the apple, i am stuck here and wish that you could help me, pls: replaced-url
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