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16 [00:06:28] <MACscr> so mellanox drivers are awful. Think if i get the mlnx-en service to start before networking, it might solve this problem? replaced-url
17 [00:06:36] <MACscr> any ideas are appreciated. im lost with systemd
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22 [00:09:02] <jelly> I don't have an answer, just wondering which irc client translated that "rc.local" into an URL for you, MACscr?
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24 [00:09:20] <johnkeates> i wonder, why is there no Rick Roll malware yet?
25 [00:09:21] <MACscr> jelly: lol, stupid pidgin
26 [00:09:32] <MACscr> er, adium
27 [00:09:54] <johnkeates> don't use adium, use x-chat aqua!
28 [00:10:00] <johnkeates> you'll be one of the cool kids
29 [00:10:12] <MACscr> but its awful as far as a ui
30 [00:10:21] <johnkeates> na
31 [00:10:25] <johnkeates> it's nice and minimal
32 [00:10:34] <missmbob> no one should. their website doesn't even have a valid certificate
33 [00:10:42] <johnkeates> pf
34 [00:10:48] <johnkeates> who needs websites on App Store
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36 [00:11:17] <jelly> (the apps and the store itself _are_ nicely signed)
37 [00:11:36] <missmbob> letsencrypt.org is free. not that hard.
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39 [00:12:23] <johnkeates> it's really hard for internal services
40 [00:12:27] <johnkeates> and for ip adresses
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73 [00:25:50] <duelle> Hi, I am trying to install debian using luks/lvm but every time I want to write the partitioning configuration it says: "The attempt to mound a file system with type ext4 in Encrypted volume (md0_crypt) at /path failed." The only thing I can find in dmesg is:" md0: unknown partition table."
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77 [00:30:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> duelle, RAID arrays have no concept of partitions, so you have to stick LVM or something else on top.
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81 [00:32:14] <duelle> Eduard_Munteanu: Currently I have SoftwareRaid1 and Encryption on top. So there should be LVM on top of it?
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85 [00:33:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> duelle, if you need to partition. RAID + LUKS + LVM is a common setup though.
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88 [00:33:52] <duelle> Yeah ok, thanks Eduard_Munteanu. I thought that I do not necessarily need LVM in case I do not want multiple partitions out of that.
89 [00:34:33] <Eduard_Munteanu> duelle, hm, well, you should be able to use the LUKS device in its entirety, though.
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93 [00:35:28] <duelle> Eduard_Munteanu: Either way, after adding one LVM vg and volume it seems to go through.
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95 [00:36:04] <duelle> Thank you for the hint. The error message in the partitioner was not very exact or hinting on anything :/
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97 [00:37:17] <Eduard_Munteanu> duelle, it looked like it was trying to partition the LUKS device, but then the kernel didn't like reading the partition table.
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101 [00:37:58] <otyugh_> hey ! I'm on a apple mac last version !
102 [00:38:07] <otyugh_> Can I destroy myself ? o/
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104 [00:38:28] <otyugh_> (rrmh, sorry ><)
105 [00:38:56] <duelle> Eduard_Munteanu: Even though I explicitly set up the file system on 'md0_crypt'.. strange thing - but now it works with LVM in between ;)
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107 [00:39:37] <duelle> Is there a way to remove a set up encrypted volume? I could not find an option to do so.
108 [00:39:44] <duelle> I mean in the partitioner
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112 [00:40:31] <awal1_> otyugh_, we dont care at all about apple mac stuff; well served here with debian gnu/linux :P
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160 [01:13:09] <mo1991reg> sdf
161 [01:13:22] <monsune> hello! i run a few virtual hosts with apache, when i type the IP in i get access to one of them while i would like some default page instead, can you tell me how to do this?
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171 [01:16:22] <dnn> monsune have you tried adding virtual host without ServerName?
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176 [01:20:01] <monsune> dnn hm never tried that yet
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180 [01:20:40] <monsune> dnn so you mean like empty virtual host container?
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182 [01:21:02] <monsune> err not empty, just without ServerName line?
183 [01:21:18] <dnn> yep, as first block <VirtualHost :80> DocRoot /path/ </VirtualHost>
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185 [01:21:30] <dnn> before the other virtual hosts
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187 [01:22:45] <monsune> i'm trying to test this now
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193 [01:26:06] <monsune> dnn i owe you big time! thanks so much :)
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255 [02:05:25] <waszabi> hi guys, is there an easy way to change colors of text-based default debian installation (no zsh etc.)?
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270 [02:18:35] <Deepfriedice> I have a slightly weird question. Does anyone here use httpredir.debian.org? I've been trying it out lately, but it only seems to direct me towards debian.salud.gob.sv, which isn't terribly appropriate.
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273 [02:19:51] <themill> httpredir focuses on whether the mirror is in a consistent state not on whether it is close
274 [02:20:08] <themill> (and it manages to get both wrong on a regular basis, unfortunately)
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280 [02:22:41] <Deepfriedice> The website claims it's supposed to use geographical proximity. But then the website also claims Brisbane is on the same continent as El Salvador.
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284 [02:23:25] <themill> but as I said, its primary focus is on correctness, after that, geography
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286 [02:24:11] <Deepfriedice> The weird this is how consistent it is though: it ONLY directs me to debian.salud.gob.sv. Surely there must be other correct mirrors, rather than just that?
287 [02:24:14] <themill> You might find deb.debian.org a better option at this stage
288 [02:24:29] <themill> There are no mirrors in Australia that aren't broken
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290 [02:25:03] <themill> It has been like this for over a decade.... we can't get mirror operators to update their mirrors in a sensible fashion
291 [02:25:15] <Deepfriedice> Oh.
292 [02:25:27] <ryouma> given that .au is reputed to have a thin pipe, i'd think they'd ahve great mirrors
293 [02:25:46] <Deepfriedice> That probably goes a long way to explaining things.
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295 [02:25:49] <themill> You can use them most of the time... and then just switch to the next one when you next get hashsum mismatch errors
296 [02:25:56] <themill> rinse and repeat
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298 [02:26:21] <rjsalts> it's probably also less of a problem with stable, unless a point release has just come out
299 [02:26:59] <Deepfriedice> I'm on testing.
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304 [02:28:33] <rjsalts> yeah, that becomes less certain. It's the update scripts that are wrong. They're doing a naive rsync. Which means Packages.(xz|bz2|gz) is out of sync with Release or pool
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306 [02:29:01] <rjsalts> for some period during an update, if you're unlucky
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308 [02:31:02] <ryouma> because gzip screws with timestamps
309 [02:31:03] <ryouma> ?
310 [02:31:24] <rjsalts> because they've downloaded the Packages... but not Release, or vice versa
311 [02:32:12] <ryouma> there's a flaw in rsync with gzip and certain perl modules, in which mtime and size stay the same but the file changes. i thought you were possibly referring to that.
312 [02:32:25] <rjsalts> the official mirror scripts download all of pool, then atomically update Packages/Release at the same time, so there is never a moment that the mirror is inconsistent
313 [02:32:57] <Deepfriedice> Huh. Wouldn't that just require a very small change to the script?
314 [02:33:23] <rjsalts> yes, but the operators of the mirrors in Australia have not deployed said script
315 [02:33:29] <ryouma> sounds like he's referring to a possible race in rsync timing?
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325 [02:40:35] <rjsalts> yeah, pretty much
326 [02:40:42] <Deepfriedice> deb.debian.org seems to be working. Thanks!
327 [02:40:55] <koldbrutality> anyone here using x32 abi?
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425 [04:05:22] <Guest51588> Do you need a fast computer to use debian
426 [04:05:29] <missmbob> no
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430 [04:08:57] <jaggz> The first CD is a live CD?
431 [04:08:59] <jaggz> debian-8.5.0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
432 [04:09:08] <dvs> no
433 [04:09:09] <jaggz> I want something to put in my laptop to boot..
434 [04:09:39] <themill> it's bootable
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436 [04:10:26] <jaggz> oh shoot, I went to the wrong link from the Live information page
437 [04:10:27] <jaggz> thanks
438 [04:10:41] <jaggz> is there a live version with non-free firmware?
439 [04:10:50] <jaggz> need something for this old "netbook" type thing
440 [04:11:32] <dvs> yes
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442 [04:11:59] <dvs> replaced-url
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475 [04:55:52] <eliotime> Where is Firefox 48? In Debian Mozilla repo, the Firefox browser is still in 47.0.1
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477 [04:56:46] <rjsalts> eliotime: replaced-url
478 [04:56:47] <missmbob> eliotime: it's in unstable
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480 [04:57:04] <erm3nda> of course XD
481 [04:57:25] <eliotime> For when will be in Debian Mozilla Repo? Because I'm using Debian Stable (Jessie).
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483 [04:57:55] <missmbob> eliotime: probably just a few days
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488 [04:59:21] <eliotime> Maybe the delay of the release is due to issues related with GTK3 framework?
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493 [05:00:22] <rjsalts> don't the release versions go to backports? if they're made for stable at all?
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502 [05:01:06] <eliotime> In backports, Firefox is not avariable.
503 [05:01:16] <Wally> is cp -Ru good enough for a nightly backup?
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505 [05:01:44] <rgwu> rsync is your friend
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509 [05:03:41] <Wally> yeah sounds better
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514 [05:05:02] <jmcnaught> Wally: there are lots of tools that provide incremental backups which can help protect against the backups have the same changes/deletions as the original. If you have a cron job that just copies or rsyncs everything to the backup, it could also copy the problems, rendering the backups useless
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517 [05:05:52] <Wally> True.
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519 [05:06:14] <Wally> maybe I do a weekly rotation or something
520 [05:06:17] <jmcnaught> Wally: i use one called duply which is easy to set up. Another one I've seen recommended here is obnam.
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522 [05:07:06] <Wally> Duply sounds great!
523 [05:07:13] <jmcnaught> Wally: i have duply configured to do a full backup once a week, and incremental backups (only the diffs) every day. Then I always keep at least two full backup chains (in practice usually more)
524 [05:08:41] <Wally> Brilliant. Thanks jmcnaught!
525 [05:09:55] <ryouma> what does duply store as? files? archives?
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527 [05:12:10] <jmcnaught> ryouma: duply is actually a wrapper for duplicity, which uses GnuPG signed/encrypted tar archives
528 [05:13:08] <ryouma> so basically one hugenormous archive and then a bunch of incrementals?
529 [05:13:41] <jmcnaught> ryouma: the full backup is also broken up into smaller files
530 [05:13:55] <ryouma> so to restore you need cat, tar, gpg, it sounds like
531 [05:14:09] <jmcnaught> but duply/duplicity is your interface to them, so you use duply commands to restore
532 [05:14:15] <ryouma> i knw obnam deduplicates
533 [05:14:26] <ryouma> i meant if you do not have duply
534 [05:14:53] <ryouma> it's nice to knw tht you do not require much
535 [05:14:53] <jmcnaught> obnam looks good
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537 [05:15:02] <ryouma> yeah it has a good manual
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541 [05:15:28] <jmcnaught> +1 for good manuals
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543 [05:16:14] <ryouma> i have used rdiff-backup which wfm. rsnapshot wfm too but if i had to switch i might use obnam.
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545 [05:19:01] <jmcnaught> ryouma: wfm? borg backup is another one that looks good
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547 [05:21:43] <ryouma> hmm
548 [05:21:49] <ryouma> wfm = works for me. rsnapshot wfm.
549 [05:22:01] <jmcnaught> ohh, duh..
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552 [05:22:38] <jmcnaught> anyways, lots of good backup software to select from in Debian
553 [05:23:00] <ryouma> indeed
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562 [05:28:08] <k384> what is up?
563 [05:29:15] <jmcnaught> hi k384 you've entered a Debian support channel. we have a side-channel #debian-offtopic if you feel like chatting :)
564 [05:29:30] <jmcnaught> or do you need some help with Debian?
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566 [05:31:40] <k384> sorry
567 [05:31:49] <k384> thank you for the reference
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645 [06:36:08] <reev> jmcnaught: Hi
646 [06:36:21] <jmcnaught> reev: hey
647 [06:36:29] <reev> How are you?
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649 [06:36:51] <jmcnaught> reev: okay. did anacron run at midnight?
650 [06:37:05] <jmcnaught> that's you right?
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652 [06:37:22] <reev> jmcnaught: yeah on some systems it does but on some systems it didn't
653 [06:37:27] <reev> yea thats me
654 [06:37:41] <reev> I set the conf you told me
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656 [06:38:07] <mi11k1> i just aquired 2 jynxbox android m6s, i want to put debian on them, but I can't find much info on Google
657 [06:38:16] <jmcnaught> reev: have you compared the configs on the systems that do with the systems that don't?
658 [06:39:08] <reev> jmcnaught: yeah I put similar configuration on all my all machines but some working fine but some dont
659 [06:39:28] <mi11k1> for what application?
660 [06:40:17] <jmcnaught> reev: from what i recall the only thing that you change from defaults are /etc/cron.d/anacron you change the cron string to @midnight from 30 7 * * *, and you have some scripts in /etc/cron.daily/ right?
661 [06:40:55] <jmcnaught> reev: are the other systems running anacron at some other time instead?
662 [06:41:31] <reev> jmcnaught: I have set daily.shot identifier in /etc/anacrontab , yeah every machine is set to run that script at midnight
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667 [06:43:19] <zerodrama> how do I tell kde to stop suspending when i close the lid?
668 [06:43:39] <jmcnaught> zerodrama: are you on Debian 8 (jessie)?
669 [06:43:47] <zerodrama> ya
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671 [06:44:35] <reev> jmcnaught: like this replaced-url
672 [06:44:56] <jmcnaught> zerodrama: edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf and set HandleLidSwitch=ignore then run "systemctl reload systemd-logind"
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674 [06:45:47] <jmcnaught> reev: okay so you decided to keep the jobs in your anacrontab instead of putting them in /etc/cron.daily/
675 [06:46:25] <reev> jmcnaught: I dont want to mess with /etc/cron.daily , is it okay?
676 [06:46:58] <reev> or should i put it /etc/cron.daily?
677 [06:47:02] <jmcnaught> reev: it should be the same either way.
678 [06:47:03] <reev> *in
679 [06:47:32] <jmcnaught> reev: the cron.daily job on line 7 of your anacrontab executes the scripts in /etc/cron.daily/
680 [06:47:47] <reev> yes
681 [06:48:19] <jmcnaught> reev: so most debian users would just put scripts there and never touch anacrontab, but it's also okay to add jobs to anacrontab
682 [06:48:41] <reev> I am sharing the syslog of systems
683 [06:49:04] <jmcnaught> anyways, is anacron running at a different time on these systems, or simply not at all?
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689 [06:50:46] <reev> jmcnaught: replaced-url
690 [06:51:38] <reev> jmcnaught: on all systems /etc/cron.d/anacron has @midnight string in there
691 [06:51:42] <jmcnaught> reev: and /etc/cron.d/anacron is identical on each system?
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693 [06:52:18] <reev> yeah
694 [06:52:46] <jmcnaught> reev: does restarting cron have any errors or warnings?
695 [06:53:44] <jmcnaught> reev: also /etc/init.d/anacron definitely exists on all systems?
696 [06:54:27] <reev> jmcnaught: restarting shows no error
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698 [06:55:06] <jmcnaught> reev: the command cron is running tests for the anacron init script existing, then invokes it
699 [06:55:07] <reev> yes /etc/init.d/anacron is present on all systems
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701 [06:56:06] <reev> jmcnaught: i have install anacron via apt-get install anacron on all systems
702 [06:56:13] <reev> *had
703 [06:56:18] <reev> *installed
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706 [06:56:57] <jmcnaught> reev: so what happens if you run "test -x /etc/init.d/anacron && /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start" ?
707 [06:57:17] <reev> jmcnaught: should i run this command manually
708 [06:57:24] <reev> right now
709 [06:57:40] <jmcnaught> reev: sure, on a system that didn't run anacron jobs at midnight
710 [06:57:45] <reev> okay
711 [06:58:18] <jmcnaught> reev: looking at replaced-url
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715 [07:02:12] <reev> let me check again
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720 [07:05:59] <reev> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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735 [07:16:00] <miesco> Hi. Does jessie have a program to download youtube videos?
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739 [07:18:49] <reev> jmcnaught: /etc/init.d/anacron is present on all systems
740 [07:20:20] <waszabi> miesco: $ apt-get install youtube-dl
741 [07:20:41] <miesco> waszabi: I think that is outdated
742 [07:20:53] <waszabi> it worked for me last time I used it
743 [07:21:06] <waszabi> that was like 2 months ago :) well time passes
744 [07:21:48] <jmcnaught> reev: so anacron runs its jobs okay it seems, but you need to figure out why anacron isn't being run by cron
745 [07:22:13] <waszabi> miesco: try ted.com, there are much better videos than on yt
746 [07:22:39] <jmcnaught> there's a newer youtube-dl in jessie-backports
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748 [07:24:16] <miesco> jmcnaught: That one also seems to be outdated
749 [07:24:37] <erm3nda> im using youtube-dl and worked few days ago
750 [07:24:48] <erm3nda> but yes, stopped to work for a days, untill i've updated it
751 [07:25:23] <jmcnaught> reev: you could try changing the /etc/cron.d/anacron to a time a couple of minutes from now and then wait to see what happens (tail -f /var/log/syslog)
752 [07:25:54] <miesco> erm3nda: did you update it with apt-get?
753 [07:26:37] <reev> jmcnaught: yeah i can try this
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757 [07:27:26] <miesco> Okay. How do I stop mpd from being started by the system?
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759 [07:27:31] <erm3nda> i think yes
760 [07:27:33] <erm3nda> ill check
761 [07:27:39] <jmcnaught> reev: it should give a line in syslog like "Anacron 2.3 started on 2016-08-08" and then something about no jobs executed if it's on the same system that you ran anacron manually
762 [07:28:00] <erm3nda> youtube-dl version 2016.07.05
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764 [07:28:21] <jmcnaught> miesco: "systemctl disable mpd" (or whatever its service unit is named)
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766 [07:28:37] <miesco> jmcnaught: I have done that. It does not work.
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768 [07:28:38] <erm3nda> miesco, im not sure on how to check if was installed by apt-get , but i think yes, usually i do not compile things if not really needed
769 [07:29:03] <erm3nda> can i know wich command failed for you?
770 [07:29:09] <erm3nda> mp3? mp4?
771 [07:29:10] <miesco> erm3nda: Does it work right now? Does this work?: youtube-dl -x --audio-format mp3 replaced-url
772 [07:29:14] <jmcnaught> miesco: does it have a socket unit?
773 [07:29:15] <reev> jmcnaught: I will share the logs
774 [07:29:15] <erm3nda> let me try ;)
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776 [07:29:30] <erm3nda> params did change from last, sure
777 [07:29:58] <erm3nda> yes it works
778 [07:30:14] <erm3nda> destination mp3
779 [07:30:21] <miesco> jmcnaught: I don't think so
780 [07:30:23] <erm3nda> miesco, totally, works again
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783 [07:30:35] <jmcnaught> miesco: "systemctl list-units | grep mpd"
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785 [07:30:50] <jvava> hi
786 [07:31:02] <miesco> jmcnaught: returns 1
787 [07:31:06] <reev> jmcnaught: it ran successfully
788 [07:31:21] <jvava> tftp: client does not accept options
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790 [07:31:43] <miesco> erm3nda: Are you sure you are using debian's version? Can you check what version?
791 [07:31:46] <miesco> ,v youtube-dl
792 [07:31:47] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2016.02.22-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2016.02.22-1; sid: 2016.06.25-1
793 [07:31:55] <jmcnaught> miesco: literally the char '1' was returned by that command?
794 [07:31:56] <jvava> miesco, jessie
795 [07:31:58] <reev> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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797 [07:32:05] <miesco> jmcnaught: No I mean exit code 1
798 [07:32:24] <erm3nda> miesco, [debug] Python version 2.7.9 - Linux-3.16.0-4-amd64-x86_64-with-debian-8.4
799 [07:32:40] <erm3nda> nothing special on my respos i guess
800 [07:32:49] <miesco> erm3nda: That is your python version
801 [07:32:54] <jvava> Getting tftp: client does not accept options error when booting from PXE
802 [07:33:04] <erm3nda> Linux-3.16.0-4-amd64-x86_64-with-debian-8.4
803 [07:33:08] <erm3nda> read the full string, please
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805 [07:33:13] <jvava> i google and found no way to resolve
806 [07:33:15] <jmcnaught> miesco: oh.. so where do you see mpd still running?
807 [07:33:23] <miesco> jmcnaught: I stopped it
808 [07:33:41] <miesco> jmcnaught: with `service mpd stop`
809 [07:33:42] <jmcnaught> miesco: but you said it still starts on boot?
810 [07:33:47] <miesco> jmcnaught: Yes
811 [07:33:54] <reev> jmcnaught: ??
812 [07:33:58] <miesco> jmcnaught: I am running it as a user and the system keeps starting it
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814 [07:34:11] <miesco> erm3nda: That is your kernel version
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816 [07:34:26] <erm3nda> Jessie 8.4. is you kidding me?
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818 [07:34:52] <jmcnaught> reev: i don't know why it ran just now but not when the cron expression was @midnight
819 [07:34:53] <miesco> erm3nda: youtube-dl --version
820 [07:34:59] <erm3nda> i pasted it before
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822 [07:35:05] <erm3nda> but wait! i can do it again XD
823 [07:35:17] <erm3nda> [debug] youtube-dl version 2016.07.05
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825 [07:35:28] <miesco> erm3nda: So you did
826 [07:35:56] <miesco> erm3nda: As you can see, you have a way later version that jessie-backports
827 [07:36:10] <erm3nda> should i check for repos?
828 [07:36:21] <erm3nda> old didn't worked, so i've updated it
829 [07:36:30] <miesco> erm3nda: You probably just installed it manually. I just did `pip install --user youtube-dl` and it works.
830 [07:36:31] <erm3nda> also params used are no longer same
831 [07:36:47] <erm3nda> maybe i used pip instead apt-get
832 [07:36:52] <erm3nda> because it's python
833 [07:36:58] <erm3nda> not sure if it's a nice reason
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835 [07:37:02] <erm3nda> but worked :V
836 [07:37:15] <miesco> erm3nda: I just use the --user flag so I don't mess up my system
837 [07:37:35] <miesco> erm3nda: If there are conflicts, I can just `rm -rf ~/.local/`
838 [07:37:36] <erm3nda> i don't
839 [07:37:50] <erm3nda> i can do it on system too, problem? XD
840 [07:38:00] <erm3nda> my first python experience was to update 2 to 3
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842 [07:38:05] <erm3nda> later i learned it cannot be
843 [07:38:08] <erm3nda> HA HA HA
844 [07:38:32] <miesco> erm3nda: Its better to install all system python packages through apt-get
845 [07:38:36] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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847 [07:38:42] <erm3nda> why?
848 [07:38:44] <erm3nda> i got problems with that
849 [07:38:47] <jmcnaught> erm3nda: ^^
850 [07:38:49] <erm3nda> because OS is holding etc
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857 [07:40:49] <miesco> jmcnaught: Any suggestions?
858 [07:41:28] <jmcnaught> miesco: reboot, see if it still runs, look it in "systemctl list-units" again
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862 [07:42:05] <jmcnaught> miesco: also try looking for it in "systemd-cgls" (without grep) to figure out which service/slice/scope the process is running under, to figure out what starts it
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864 [07:44:07] <miesco> jmcnaught: Okay. I made a note of this. I'll check it next time I see that the system has started mpd.
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970 [08:51:01] <flamingogirl> He's live on air there directly taunting the (((OVERLORDS)))!
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974 [08:52:04] <Hunterkll> flamingogirl, oh?
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981 [08:53:15] <Nika7> Hi
982 [08:53:17] <Nika7> Where get tiny WM on shell?
983 [08:53:23] <haavard> I want to install firejail from jessie-backports, but it seems to pull in a ton of dependencies, even if the only one listed online is libc: <replaced-url
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988 [08:54:50] <Nika7> Where get tiny WM on shell?
989 [08:54:58] <Hunterkll> startx ?
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993 [08:55:16] <Hunterkll> your .xinitrc should have the wm specified
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997 [08:56:24] <The-Compiler> At replaced-url
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1009 [08:59:00] <Nika7> Where get tiny WM on shell?
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1011 [08:59:49] <themill> The-Compiler: you won't see binNMUs listed there, only human uploads
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1017 [09:01:04] <erm3nda> haavard, i don't remember what i did the time i've installed firejail first time
1018 [09:01:04] <erm3nda> haavard, can't you install?
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1024 [09:02:59] <themill> haavard: you could try not installing recommended packages for this particular case. (--no-install-recommends)
1025 [09:03:19] <The-Compiler> themill: so that'd be a binNMU, i.e. a non-maintainer uploaded a binary package? Can I somewhere see why that was done and what the changes are?
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1029 [09:03:42] <themill> !binnmu
1030 [09:03:43] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, binnmu is binary <NMU>, which means a package was recompiled without changing the source. This often occurs when one of the libraries a package depends on has changed, and it needs to be recompiled against the newer library. The <debian revision> part of the package version normally has +b1 (+b2 etc) appended to it. replaced-url
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1032 [09:04:00] <The-Compiler> background: I'm maintaining an unofficial pdftk-bin package for Archlinux which uses the Debian package, as pdftk isn't in the official Arch repos, and is a pain to build from sources :)
1033 [09:04:01] <haavard> themill: thanks, that did the trick :)
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1036 [09:04:29] <The-Compiler> themill: ah, thanks!
1037 [09:05:01] <themill> The-Compiler: replaced-url
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1041 [09:06:34] <themill> The-Compiler: pdftk (2.02-4+b1) sid; urgency=low, binary-only=yes * Rebuild against gcj 6.
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1045 [09:07:35] <themill> There's going to be a lot of that with GCC 6 becoming the default toolchain
1046 [09:07:45] <The-Compiler> awesome, thanks :)
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1054 [09:09:02] <jaggz> is there a live version with non-free firmware?
1055 [09:09:14] <jaggz> I asked earlier but had to go and don't have long enough scrollback (now I do)
1056 [09:10:05] <themill> jaggz: [12:11] <dvs> replaced-url
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1152 [10:03:24] <jaggz> themill, thanks a lot :)
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1201 [10:34:21] <sander^home> Do anyone know whats left to get firejail into mainline jessie from backports?
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1215 [10:42:25] <sander^home> As I understand, namespaces needs to be compiled in, wondering if thats on by default.
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1244 [11:07:21] <thnee> Regarding user space stacks like libusb and btstack, how do they not conflict with the OS? Or are you supposed to turn stuff off in the kernel when using them?
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1249 [11:11:28] <seaman> hi all
1250 [11:11:36] <seaman> !list
1251 [11:11:37] <dpkg> seaman: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
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1254 [11:12:27] <jelly> sorry, that link is outdated
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1277 [11:26:11] <dionysus69> I am on debian sid, iam getting this dependancy error: crossover:i386 depends on libpng12-0
1278 [11:26:19] <dionysus69> currently I have libpng16-16 installed
1279 [11:26:33] <dionysus69> that required version doesnt even show up in repo, what do I do?
1280 [11:28:22] <jelly> ,v libpng12-0
1281 [11:28:24] <judd> Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.2.44-1+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1.2.44-1+squeeze4; squeeze-security-lts: 1.2.44-1+squeeze6; wheezy-security: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; wheezy: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2
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1284 [11:28:37] <jelly> dionysus69, add repos for jessie
1285 [11:29:05] <jelly> dionysus69, /msg dpkg jessie sources.list
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1289 [11:29:35] <dionysus69> I dont wanna poluute sources.list too much I ll show you my two files and tell me what exactly do I need to add :D
1290 [11:30:09] <dionysus69> deb replaced-url
1291 [11:30:09] <dionysus69> deb-src replaced-url
1292 [11:30:09] <dionysus69> deb replaced-url
1293 [11:30:09] <dionysus69> deb-src replaced-url
1294 [11:30:09] <dionysus69> this is what I have in sid sources
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1297 [11:31:19] <dionysus69> so do I just add this to the file ? deb replaced-url
1298 [11:31:19] <dionysus69> deb-src replaced-url
1299 [11:31:44] <dionysus69> sorry I got kicked by flood helper so if you wrote anything I wouldnt see it
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1301 [11:32:07] <jelly> dude, you use sid, you should know how to edit sources :-)
1302 [11:32:22] <dionysus69> I know how to add sources
1303 [11:32:30] <dionysus69> I just dont want to add more that what I need for this particular case
1304 [11:32:40] <dionysus69> more than*
1305 [11:32:48] <jelly> "stretch" is not "sid", either
1306 [11:33:10] <dionysus69> wait
1307 [11:33:17] <dionysus69> how do i figure out which one I have installed
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1309 [11:33:37] <dionysus69> I just installed testing, thought it was sid and it may not be?
1310 [11:33:42] <BenNZ> dionysus69: please dont take this the wrong way , but if you are asking this then you shouldnt be using sid
1311 [11:34:09] <dionysus69> haha I will learn :D BenNZ
1312 [11:34:10] <ransur0t> dionysus69: uname -a
1313 [11:34:21] <dionysus69> Linux debgen 4.6.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.4-1 (2016-07-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1314 [11:34:29] <dionysus69> doesnt say sid or stretch or whatever
1315 [11:35:27] <dionysus69> stretch-DI-alpha7 _Stretch_ this is in sources.list too
1316 [11:35:43] <dionysus69> so this is not sid but a specific release of stretch?
1317 [11:36:21] <jelly> what matters is the contents or sources.list, and what you pasted does not say "sid" or "unstable"
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1320 [11:36:31] <dionysus69> anyways I think i missused sid word yes
1321 [11:36:37] <dionysus69> my aim wasnt to install unstable
1322 [11:36:38] <jelly> in any case,
1323 [11:36:39] <dionysus69> but testing
1324 [11:36:41] <jelly> !debian-next
1325 [11:36:42] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1372 [12:10:07] <JBandy> hey everybody please listen to Jason Bandy's EFNet News Episode 3 here: replaced-url
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1388 [12:17:32] <dagerik> last displays wtmp begins Mon Aug 8 11:55:23 2016 but machine uptime is 600 days
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1390 [12:17:36] <dagerik> suspicious?
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1394 [12:20:29] <themill> sounds a lot like log rotation works even if you are running a vulnerable kernel
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1406 [12:27:49] <jelly> dagerik, debian rotates wtmp on a monthly basis by default, has been doing that for a very long time
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1408 [12:28:56] <dagerik> jelly: k thanks
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1433 [12:46:42] <Mads_> Hello i'm trying to make a host get its config via tftp. I have many hosts where this process works perfectly, but having problems with this one. Looking with tcpdump i get the following (Ip addresses replaced)... 12:42:30.575995 IP 10.10.10.10.162 > 20.20.20.20.34: ICMP host 10.10.10.10.162 unreachable, length 48
1434 [12:47:21] <hrob> hi
1435 [12:47:50] <Mads_> Is it just me or is it strange that the source 10.10.10.10 replies to the server that itself 10.10.10.10 is unreachable? Or did i misunderstood something?
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1437 [12:48:41] <HD|Laptop> Hello all
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1439 [12:50:04] <HD|Laptop> Assuming I have a machine with three USB soundcards (6 channels), a bluetooth chip and a line-in, can I set up a system that: a) acts as a BT audio sink and b) upmixes the signal from line-in and BT from 2.0 stereo to 5.1 surround?
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1441 [12:50:51] <HD|Laptop> I really don't want to have dozens of devices, I'd rather like having everything integrated into my media center/NAS
1442 [12:51:07] <HD|Laptop> (and yes, it's running Debian, no xbmc or other stuff)
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1444 [12:51:57] <hrob> I have a lot of error messages in kern.log
1445 [12:52:01] <hrob> 10:05:38 jira kernel: [ 735.489357] traps: lightdm-gtk-gre[13842] trap int3 ip:7f15140d6e8d sp:7ffc1bfbf0a0 error:0
1446 [12:52:07] <hrob> constantly
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1468 [13:11:12] <hrob> is it normal for cron to be so verbal in syslog?
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1479 [13:14:15] <jelly> hrob, every job will be accounted for, yes
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1482 [13:15:21] <teraflops> HD|Laptop: sure, why not? pulseadio does enable-remixing=yes by default so if i understand what you say you want it to "no"
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1484 [13:15:39] <HD|Laptop> teraflops, hmm it's three separate soundcards
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1486 [13:16:07] <teraflops> HD|Laptop: and?
1487 [13:16:22] <HD|Laptop> so I'd first have to tell the system somehow which soundcard maps to which channel(s)... are there any tutorials?
1488 [13:16:41] <HD|Laptop> My last experiences with multichannel audio on linux are a decade ago
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1490 [13:17:02] <HD|Laptop> And last time with bluetooth audio was back when the RPi 1 was released
1491 [13:20:05] <teraflops> HD|Laptop: hmm, for the mixing stuff i think replaced-url
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1495 [13:21:09] <HD|Laptop> yeah especially without a GUI ^^ was a nightmare to set up even then, I believe some bluez components got updated and couldn't do A2DP sink any more so I had to stick with debian rusty at the time ;)
1496 [13:21:23] <HD|Laptop> Thanks for the pulseaudio link
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1502 [13:23:00] <teraflops> HD|Laptop: I managed to stream bt audio with debian jessie + pulseadio systemwide you have two options afaik, running pulseadio systemwide or doing it this way: replaced-url
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1506 [13:24:45] <teraflops> HD|Laptop: pulseadio systemwide is discouraged anyway you can do it if you want replaced-url
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1508 [13:25:30] <teraflops> HD|Laptop: the gist I pasted above is a good workaround though
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1510 [13:26:05] <HD|Laptop> Thanks
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1513 [13:26:57] <teraflops> HD|Laptop: anyway this is for headless, if you have xorg running with a user logged in your life will be easier
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1553 [13:55:57] <RebelCoderW> Guys, is there an image of Debian 8.5 with Plasma 5 ?
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1559 [13:57:25] <akfp> how can I do `apt-get install package#SHA2` where I only want a package if it has a particular SHA2?
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1562 [14:00:17] <erm3nda> akfp, put an example of a correct package name with your SHA2 version
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1566 [14:01:53] <Fr_Dae> akfp apt only
1567 [14:01:59] <teraflops> RebelCoderW: I don't think so
1568 [14:02:11] <Fr_Dae> apt-get isn't nessesary, apt is same with color and progress bar
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1571 [14:03:06] <Fr_Dae> akfp you have a error on update because you use old PPA ?
1572 [14:03:15] <Fr_Dae> with no-sh256 =)
1573 [14:03:29] <Fr_Dae> launchpad-getkeys
1574 [14:04:33] <OrbsTheorem> arrh, I recompiled the kernel for an arm board yesterday and I forgot to add support for netfilter
1575 [14:04:44] <OrbsTheorem> so I can't use iptables :/
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1577 [14:06:41] <jelly> RebelCoderW, no, and there will never be an official one
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1579 [14:07:16] <RebelCoderW> JelmerD: Even after Plasma 5 is rock solid in next 5 years ?
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1581 [14:07:47] <jelly> RebelCoderW, correct. You'll have to use at least the upcoming debian 9
1582 [14:08:16] <RebelCoderW> How do you know, that Debian will always stay on KDE 4?
1583 [14:08:20] <jelly> (current testing, codename "stretch", has plasma 5 and will become debian 9 in time)
1584 [14:09:04] <RebelCoderW> Ahhh... so Plasma 5 WILL be default KDE with upcoming releases, when Plasma 5 is much more tested.
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1588 [14:11:58] <blingrang> How can I change the name of a service?
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1591 [14:12:31] <blingrang> something like: service <old_name> status to service <new_name> status
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1594 [14:12:55] <jelly> RebelCoderW, debian almost never updates upstream versions during the lifetime of a single release. Debian 8.x won't get Plasma 5, it has KDE 4.x. 9 and onwards will have something newer.
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1596 [14:13:23] <RebelCoderW> jelly: Got it !
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1598 [14:14:53] <jelly> blingrang, you can disable the original one, make a copy and name it differently, but it's a pain longterm.
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1601 [14:15:57] <jelly> blingrang, things will break on each release upgrade (ie. debian 8 -> debian 9), possibly even if the package containing that service gets security patches
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1606 [14:18:16] <blingrang> jelly: I see, the reason I'm doing this is because I'm using a third party tool, and between its versions the service name differs...
1607 [14:18:51] <blingrang> service service3.0 status, service service4.0 status, etc.
1608 [14:19:09] <blingrang> jelly: but I get what you're saying.
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1611 [14:22:32] <j350> i installed debian 8.5. but gnome-shell is not working.
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1621 [14:27:10] <Lionyx> hello! When i'm on tty (trying to live only with framebuffer, for fun!), I can use cvlc to play videos. But there's no way in hell i can make mplayer display on framebuffer.
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1626 [14:30:05] <j350> debian sucks
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1635 [14:32:44] <jelly> Lionyx, if you have a framebuffer console, there's a -vo fb
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1637 [14:33:19] <Lionyx> I use mplayer -vo directbuffer ....avi or something, and get error of not being able to open /dev/tty0... initialization error
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1639 [14:33:52] <jelly> Lionyx, as normal user, logged in at a console, without any screen or tmux in between?
1640 [14:34:05] <jelly> I have no idea what directbuffer is
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1642 [14:34:31] <Lionyx> with -vo fb i get "error opening/initializing selected video out"
1643 [14:34:43] <jelly> Lionyx, do you have a framebuffer console at all?
1644 [14:34:51] <Lionyx> i misstiped it i meant directfb
1645 [14:35:36] <Lionyx> Yep, pure console, brought to me by the miracle of console-setup :D, no screen or tmux
1646 [14:35:48] <Lionyx> cvlc does work, but not mplayer
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1648 [14:36:37] <zykotick9> Lionyx: are you using mplayer2? it doesn't have framebuffer support.
1649 [14:37:19] <Lionyx> zykotick9: yep. this is 2 :(, but manual says it does.
1650 [14:37:39] <zykotick9> Lionyx: does "mplayer -vo help" list it?
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1652 [14:37:56] <Lionyx> let me see it
1653 [14:38:12] <Lionyx> it only lists directfb support
1654 [14:38:31] <Lionyx> by only i mean, only framebuffer
1655 [14:39:28] <jelly> yeah well. if you go back to 2008 there will be all sorts of weird -vo in mplayer
1656 [14:40:17] <jelly> however, the X-based stuff is accelerated and eats less cpu and gpu
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1664 [14:42:55] <Lionyx> I guess so
1665 [14:42:57] <zykotick9> Lionyx: sidenote, i only ever got fbdev and fbdev2 as working framebuffer outputs with mplayer... i look forward to mplayer's return in the next stable release, in the hopes of getting framebuffer support again. but best of luck.
1666 [14:43:16] <Lionyx> tks
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1668 [14:43:26] <Lionyx> I've got cvlc working on framebuffer, so i have video :)
1669 [14:43:34] <adac> How can I install docker 1.11.2-0 on jessie?
1670 [14:44:01] <adac> ahh ok an apt-get uddate first
1671 [14:44:10] <adac> then apt-get install docker-engine=1.11.2-0~jessie
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1674 [14:44:50] <Lionyx> I actually search for the package name before install (even tought most of the times the install method returns possible results)
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1676 [14:44:59] <Lionyx> apt-cache search docker
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1679 [14:45:38] <adac> Lionyx, I think the cache was not updated. Needed to run and apt-get update first
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1682 [14:46:23] <Lionyx> i guess so
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1684 [14:48:45] <jelly> adac, you can only install those versions of docker-engine package that are visible as Candidate in "apt-cache policy docker-engine"
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1694 [14:51:17] <adac> jelly, ok!
1695 [14:51:27] <adac> thanks friends!
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1726 [15:03:56] <dionysus69> I installed fingerprint-gui from source and it doesnt work properly, so now I cant remove it with apt, how do I remove it?
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1730 [15:06:07] <x37> hi #debian. im having an issue mounting. hoping you can help.
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1732 [15:07:05] <x37> first the power went out, i turn my PC back on, and doesnt boot up properly. grub is fine, but only shows my background wallpaper image thing, not the login box where i type password.
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1734 [15:07:46] <x37> so no login, i go to tty2 and login as my user, john. i run startx
1735 [15:07:48] <johnkeates> check your hdd
1736 [15:07:52] <johnkeates> check smart data
1737 [15:07:53] <johnkeates> check fsck
1738 [15:08:21] <x37> everything loads but i cant mount these two internal drives
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1744 [15:10:40] <format_c> you mean verbose?
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1750 [15:12:36] <x37> johnkeates, one of the drives is failing smart, dying slowly, im backing up. i know that.
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1756 [15:12:57] <johnkeates> maybe your HBA died
1757 [15:12:58] <x37> im attempting at an fsck, im sda is where my linux OS is?
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1768 [15:18:23] <jelly> x37, to figure out where your filesystems are supposed to be, look at the output of "lsblk" and "blkid" and contents of /etc/fstab
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1787 [15:25:40] <greycat> -7 means "less than 7"
1788 [15:25:43] <greycat> ... ECHAN
1789 [15:27:24] <iLogic> hey guys, i get permission denied when trying to access an external hdd (exfat, mounts properly in local env) with samba.. i've tried all the correct options on the share, force user, create/directory mask etc and no dice.. do i have to change permission/ownership? maybe something to do with the group disk?
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1798 [15:31:38] <x37> thanks jelly. turns out fsck.ntfs not found.
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1800 [15:31:43] <x37> il keep troubleshooting
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1812 [15:36:03] <greycat> NFS problem: no_root_squash is NOT being recognized. Root on client is getting "Permission denied". I am trying to do a backup. Need root to be able to read the users' files to back them up. Client is SQUEEZE. Server is JESSIE. Help please.
1813 [15:37:42] <greycat> exports line on server (JESSIE): /home -no_subtree_check arc1(ro,no_root_squash,sync)
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1816 [15:38:47] <jelly> x37, there is no decent fsck for ntfs on linux, at least not a free one
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1819 [15:39:18] <greycat> From the client (SQUEEZE) after mounting: svr4:/home on /nfs/svr4/home type nfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,hard,intr,sloppy,addr=10.76.142.85)
1820 [15:39:26] <jelly> if you need to fix ntfs, do it from windows (or some windows-pe live image with chkdsk I guess)
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1824 [15:41:02] <jelly> greycat, what does `showmount -e server` look like from the client?
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1826 [15:41:34] <jhutchins> x37: actually, fsck.ntfs is usually a link to ntfsfix from the ntfs-3g package. Do you have that installed?
1827 [15:41:37] <greycat> jelly: many lines; the relevant line is: /home arc1.eeg.ccf.org
1828 [15:41:51] <jelly> jhutchins, that thing is useless if they need to actually fix issues.
1829 [15:42:08] <x37> jelly, right now im just trying to mount a couple of drives. says not authorized. not actually looking to fix issues i think
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1831 [15:42:23] <jhutchins> jelly: In situations where you have ntfs but no Windows install, it can sometimes recover the errors.
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1834 [15:42:59] <x37> also lsblk helped. thanks
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1836 [15:43:15] <Lope> I need to setup a dedicated server (with a modern CPU with VT-x, VT-d etc) and need to decide whether to encapsulate ALL SERVICES inside KVM VM's OR run as much as possible in docker/LXC on the baremetal and use the bare metal host's IPtables for all routing and firewalling. If I run more stuff on the metal I gain (some? not much) performance. If I run everything in VM's I gain peace of mind, portability of
1837 [15:43:20] <Lope> services, if each VM manages it's own IPtables, then the rules are easier to reason about and safer manage automatically, less stress (mistakes/failures are limited to a particular VM instead of the entire machine), the ability to reboot VM's and test to confirm services are "ready for a bare-metal reboot, if/when necessary", VM OS's can be upgraded or kernels tweaked/tested without risking or causing down
1838 [15:43:25] <Lope> time for the rest of the services. I can go on and on coming up with more benefits for running ALL SERVICES in VM's. Basically it seems like I benefit in the most meaningful way (my time/energy/stress levels/ability to change/innovate/improve) for a small and fixed cost: performance (afaik it's +-1-20% depending on CPU/IO intensiveness). Currently I don't have any performance issues at all, and if I need mo
1839 [15:43:32] <Lope> re performance in future I can just rent more hardware. Any thoughts?
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1844 [15:44:42] <johnkeates> Lope, use xen
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1848 [15:46:21] <dionysus69> I installed fingerprint-gui from source and it doesnt work properly, so now I cant remove it with apt, how do I remove it? I really need to purge it
1849 [15:46:21] <Lope> johnkeates: xen/kvm, much of a muchness. I'm familiar with KVM. The real question is whether to virt everything or not?
1850 [15:46:33] <johnkeates> dirt everything.
1851 [15:46:35] <johnkeates> virt
1852 [15:46:38] <johnkeates> dont docker
1853 [15:46:56] <johnkeates> with xen performance is 99.999% bare metal
1854 [15:47:04] <johnkeates> with kvm heavy I/O suffers
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1856 [15:47:10] <johnkeates> with docker, the world will burn
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1858 [15:47:27] <johnkeates> suggested setup:
1859 [15:47:57] <johnkeates> hypervisor, one VM for NAT+Firewall (i.e. pfsense) which connects to the outside and on an inside bridge/ovs, then all other vms connect to that bridge/ovs
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1886 [16:02:21] <greycat> ... did not work.
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1889 [16:05:08] <greycat> The "sec=null" workaround from replaced-url
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1916 [16:15:20] <jelly> greycat, apropos silly things, does an explicit vers=3 as mount option make any difference?
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1918 [16:16:00] <greycat> jelly: no.
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1920 [16:16:43] <greycat> replaced-url
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1925 [16:17:59] <olivier> Hello, do you know how can I install wine on debian ?
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1928 [16:18:24] <greycat> olivier: apt-get install wine
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1931 [16:19:01] <olivier> wine32 ?
1932 [16:19:14] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
1933 [16:19:23] <olivier> because I tried with playonlinux but playonlinux crash
1934 [16:20:14] <olivier> I tried playonlinux
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1941 [16:22:46] <jelly> your root, she is thoroughly squashed
1942 [16:23:00] <SynrG> ,v wine
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1944 [16:23:01] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.3-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.8.3-2; sid: 1.8.3-2
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1946 [16:23:04] <SynrG> ,v wine-development
1947 [16:23:06] <judd> Package: wine-development on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; sid: 1.9.14-1; jessie-backports: 1.9.15-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.9.15-1; sid: 1.9.16-1
1948 [16:23:14] <SynrG> plenty of versions to choose from.
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1950 [16:23:34] <greycat> jelly: It used to work before the machine that *was* the server died. That was my jessie-with-wheezy-kernel box. The new server is pure jessie with jessie kernel.
1951 [16:23:38] <SynrG> if you go with POL, you're screwed if you can't get a particular package to work ...
1952 [16:23:48] <SynrG> winehq won't accept your reports of issues
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1954 [16:24:10] <SynrG> best to just start with a fresh wine prefix and use one of the available wines in debian
1955 [16:24:21] <olivier> okay
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1957 [16:24:31] <SynrG> follow whatever instructions there are at winehq for whichever apps you want
1958 [16:24:34] <olivier> so what I make for this ?
1959 [16:24:43] <olivier> yes but after, playonlinux crash
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1961 [16:25:11] <SynrG> no idea. building a new wine is not the same thing as running one that is installed from the repo ...
1962 [16:25:15] <SynrG> i imagine it's much easier.
1963 [16:25:16] <TomTomTosch> well, if you want wine32 you need to enable multiarch.
1964 [16:25:19] <olivier> okay
1965 [16:25:25] <SynrG> ah, and that ^
1966 [16:25:38] <SynrG> .multiarch
1967 [16:25:44] <SynrG> !multiarch
1968 [16:25:44] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
1969 [16:25:50] <olivier> okay and for a other problem, it is normal kodi crash on debian ?
1970 [16:26:00] <olivier> I have many crashlogs
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1972 [16:26:31] <SynrG> which kodi version?
1973 [16:26:48] <olivier> the lastest
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1976 [16:27:00] <jelly> greycat, I guess you can always try that mix, a wheezy kernel and maybe sysvinit
1977 [16:27:09] <jelly> s/maybe/probably/
1978 [16:27:22] <olivier> the lastest version on kodi
1979 [16:27:30] <olivier> do you want a crashlog ?
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1982 [16:28:46] <olivier> SynrG : For kodi, do you want a crashlog ?
1983 [16:29:08] <SynrG> no, not at all.
1984 [16:29:14] <SynrG> "latest" is meaningless
1985 [16:29:15] <olivier> okay
1986 [16:29:19] <SynrG> apt-cache policy kodi
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1988 [16:29:26] <SynrG> put that at paste.debian.net
1989 [16:29:35] <olivier> I enter this in root ?
1990 [16:29:41] <SynrG> doesn't need to be root
1991 [16:29:52] <olivier> okay
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1993 [16:30:20] <olivier> replaced-url
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1995 [16:31:00] <SynrG> so, the one from jessie-backports
1996 [16:31:26] <olivier> it's good or not ?
1997 [16:31:44] <SynrG> should be fine. do you use extensions with that?
1998 [16:31:52] <SynrG> custom theme?
1999 [16:31:55] <TomTomTosch> when does it crash?
2000 [16:32:11] <olivier> SynrG : no
2001 [16:32:26] <olivier> TomTomTosch, when I start kodi
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2003 [16:33:18] <SynrG> as per replaced-url
2004 [16:33:43] <SynrG> i use sid kodi, not jessie-backports, and have not had crashes.
2005 [16:33:49] <olivier> okay so...
2006 [16:33:52] <SynrG> but before reporting any bugs, tell me ...
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2008 [16:33:57] <gannetson> Hey any sysadmin experts online?
2009 [16:33:59] <SynrG> do you use any debian-multimedia packages?
2010 [16:34:02] <SynrG> olivier: ^
2011 [16:34:19] <SynrG> if you do, get rid of all that crap. :p
2012 [16:34:20] <olivier> I don't know I install debian yesterday
2013 [16:34:25] <gannetson> We have problems with one of our servers. Timeouts on http(s) and ssh requests.
2014 [16:34:27] <SynrG> !dmm
2015 [16:34:27] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
2016 [16:34:30] <gannetson> Nothing in the logs....
2017 [16:34:33] <SynrG> olivier: ^^ this stuff
2018 [16:34:49] <SynrG> olivier: if you use that, don't. if you have pure debian, though, you should be ok.
2019 [16:34:59] <gannetson> Any help / suggestions welcome!
2020 [16:35:03] <olivier> okay I have pure debian
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2023 [16:36:18] <olivier> okay so what I make now ?
2024 [16:37:02] <SynrG> olivier: see my link to Report Bugs on backports. you would ask on the backports mailing list for help with your issue.
2025 [16:37:32] <olivier> okay but backports is good or not ?
2026 [16:37:45] <SynrG> olivier: if the developer requests the crashlogs, you could send to the developer. but first, just summarize your problem. be sure to include the specific debian version of the package you're having issues with and the nature of the problem.
2027 [16:37:57] <SynrG> i can't say one way or the other. i don't use that version. it *should* be good
2028 [16:38:08] <SynrG> it has been in the archive since almost a month ago.
2029 [16:38:45] <olivier> okay so how can I use kodi now ?
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2032 [16:39:08] <joes_22> hi
2033 [16:39:38] <joes_22> Im trying to debug a "Error connectin" which I get during $ apt-get update
2034 [16:39:49] <SynrG> olivier: as i said, you need to report the issue you're having with the jessie-backports version of the package. you might have a bug there that few other users have.
2035 [16:39:53] <joes_22> It doesnt tell me error connecting to what.
2036 [16:40:08] <SynrG> or some misconfiguration
2037 [16:40:25] <joes_22> any idea how I can get apt to tell me which connection was refused, I guess its one of those in sources.list?
2038 [16:40:30] <olivier> okay but do you know alternative to kodi or not ?
2039 [16:40:35] <SynrG> no.
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2041 [16:40:52] <olivier> VLC maybe ?
2042 [16:40:53] <SynrG> there's the older, stable version of kodi.
2043 [16:41:02] <SynrG> vlc is in no way a replacement for kodi :)
2044 [16:41:21] <olivier> okay but anybody know a replacement for kodi ?
2045 [16:41:24] <SynrG> but yes, vlc can do some of the things kodi does
2046 [16:42:06] <olivier> okay so vlc is a replacement for kodi
2047 [16:42:07] <olivier> ?
2048 [16:42:25] <SynrG> it depends. do you need kodi, or do you just need a video player?
2049 [16:42:35] <olivier> yes
2050 [16:42:48] <joes_22> someone suggested just clearing everything inside apt.conf
2051 [16:42:53] <joes_22> or apt.conf.d
2052 [16:42:57] <SynrG> yes you need kodi? or yes you just need a video player?
2053 [16:43:04] <olivier> a video player
2054 [16:43:11] <SynrG> vlc is a fine video player, then.
2055 [16:43:15] <SynrG> so is mpv.
2056 [16:43:26] <olivier> mpv ?
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2059 [16:44:06] <stoned> I use smplayer + mpv IIRC
2060 [16:44:22] <SynrG> i can't say if the mpv in jessie is good, though ... it looks rather old
2061 [16:44:24] <SynrG> and there's no backport
2062 [16:44:30] <olivier> okay thank you for your help...
2063 [16:44:37] <SynrG> you're welcome.
2064 [16:44:49] <stoned> mpv 0.8.3 (C) 2000-2015
2065 [16:44:53] <olivier> bye
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2067 [16:44:55] <stoned> Maybe like a year old. At most
2068 [16:45:07] <SynrG> jessie's on 0.6.2
2069 [16:45:29] <stoned> Oh, I think I got mine from debian-multimedia
2070 [16:45:31] <stoned> let me see
2071 [16:45:36] <SynrG> :P
2072 [16:45:40] <SynrG> ,v mpv
2073 [16:45:41] <judd> Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; sid: 0.18.0-1; stretch: 0.18.0-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.18.1-dmo2
2074 [16:45:44] <SynrG> looks likely
2075 [16:45:59] <SynrG> great way to completely hose your multimedia apps :p
2076 [16:46:05] <stoned> What
2077 [16:46:09] <stoned> s a good way to hose what?
2078 [16:46:09] <SynrG> (at least the ones coming from debian)
2079 [16:46:13] <stoned> I don't follow
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2081 [16:46:15] <SynrG> using dmm. it's awful
2082 [16:46:20] <stoned> Are you saying that dmm is not bad?
2083 [16:46:22] <stoned> I mean it's bd
2084 [16:46:24] <SynrG> !why not dmm
2085 [16:46:24] <dpkg> The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>.
2086 [16:46:26] <stoned> I disagree
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2088 [16:46:37] <joes_22> is there any way I can get apt-get update to tell me which apt-repo is failing "Connection refused"
2089 [16:47:24] <SynrG> stoned: let me rephrase that. it's a great way to ensure you don't get support here.
2090 [16:47:25] <greycat> joes_22: paste the entire output of apt-get update on replaced-url
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2092 [16:47:49] <SynrG> stoned: if you've not been bitten yet, consider yourself one of the lucky ones.
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2094 [16:49:05] <joes_22> replaced-url
2095 [16:49:13] <jhutchins> Somewhere in the back of my mind is a file that you can create on a linux system that prevents new logins, ie when doing maintenance. I thought it was part of the shutdown process, but I don't find it in the man page.
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2097 [16:49:27] <stoned> Christain's packages are good quality
2098 [16:49:34] <stoned> And there isn't anything debian can throw my way that I can't handle
2099 [16:49:44] <stoned> Nothing has bitten me in about 15 years.
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2104 [16:50:41] <stoned> If it is the official channel stance that one does not recommend DMM, sure. We don't have to condone it. But I have been using for 14 years, that I can remember and no problems yet with any DMM packages
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2107 [16:51:04] <SynrG> stoned: i have seen plenty of anecdotal evidence that suggests otherwise. but i digress :)
2108 [16:51:12] <stoned> *nod*
2109 [16:51:15] <joes_22> greycat: thanks, I just edited out all extra repos under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/.
2110 [16:51:21] <joes_22> I still get this update error
2111 [16:51:22] <stoned> Not everyone is oldschool/old timer. Noobs might have issues.
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2113 [16:51:30] <stoned> In place of DMM, what do you suggest?
2114 [16:51:47] <SynrG> just using the debian packages. however, in the case of mpv, i guess, backport it yourself?
2115 [16:51:53] <SynrG> ,checkbackport mpv
2116 [16:51:54] <judd> Backporting package mpv in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libass-dev (>= 0.12.1~).
2117 [16:52:04] <SynrG> hmm
2118 [16:52:06] <stoned> \o/
2119 [16:52:08] <SynrG> ,checkbackport libass-dev
2120 [16:52:09] <judd> Backporting package libass-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
2121 [16:52:17] <SynrG> ^^ need to do both
2122 [16:52:21] <stoned> *nod*
2123 [16:52:33] <SynrG> or you could get lucky and soften the dep
2124 [16:52:38] <SynrG> ,v libass-dev
2125 [16:52:39] <judd> Package: libass-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.9-1; wheezy: 0.10.0-3; jessie: 0.10.2-3; sid: 0.13.2-1; stretch: 0.13.2-1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.13.2-dmo1
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2127 [16:52:49] <SynrG> try it first with the jessie version
2128 [16:53:04] <stoned> Maybe. For now it works. No need to fix what's not broken.
2129 [16:53:07] * SynrG nods
2130 [16:53:08] <stoned> But it's good to know.
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2132 [16:53:33] <SynrG> jhutchins: /etc/nologin ?
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2134 [16:54:00] <SynrG> see nologin(5) man page
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2142 [16:58:09] <joes_22> anyone have any ideas how I can get info about what apt is failing to do here? replaced-url
2143 [16:58:37] <joes_22> it seems like something basic, but I cant tell there is anything wrong with sources.list
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2147 [16:59:48] <joes_22> here is the sources.list replaced-url
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2165 [17:09:30] <azyq> I have a remote machine that does not seem to boot, I do have access to a rescue system, but when attempting to reboot it doesn't even log anything to /var/log any idea how I could pinpoint the issue?
2166 [17:10:50] <jhutchins> SynrG: Yeah, that's what I thought.
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2177 [17:13:26] <jhutchins> man 5 instead of man 8.
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2180 [17:14:17] <azyq> if it helps, I did try to upgrade from wheezy to jessie and tried to reboot beforehand
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2196 [17:19:12] <TheSin> I have a sorta odd question, I have a bunch of servers, and I run postfix and logcheck on all of them
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2198 [17:20:00] <TheSin> one server in the logs I get postfix/smtpd postfix/local etc etc, all the other servers I only see smtp or local not postfix/ prefix which means the logcheck filtering isn't work on all those servers
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2200 [17:20:27] <TheSin> what adds or removes the postfix/ prefix in the logs? all servers are systemd and running syslog-ng if that makes a diff
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2210 [17:24:42] <damo22> im on stretch, which is the package for CA certificates?
2211 [17:24:49] <damo22> for my browser
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2223 [17:28:12] <mangas> replaced-url
2224 [17:28:20] <mangas> this one might help
2225 [17:29:01] <azyq> uh oh, I figured it out for some reason I had to run grub-install
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2235 [17:31:25] <damo22> is anyone on stretch here? does h-node.org say unknown ssl cert issuer?
2236 [17:31:36] <greycat> !debian-next
2237 [17:31:37] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2238 [17:31:48] <damo22> ok
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2307 [18:03:09] <philipp64|work> Hi. I'm seeing some weirdness which I can't explain. I compile a trivial C program and link it, but when I try to run it I get "Permission denied" even though the executable is 755. replaced-url
2308 [18:03:34] <philipp64|work> Anyone understand what's going on or why the system is refusing to execute it?
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2310 [18:04:05] <sypher> philipp64|work: Is the filesystem mounted noexec?
2311 [18:04:22] <philipp64|work> errr... is that the default?
2312 [18:04:33] <sypher> philipp64|work: pastebin the output of "mount".
2313 [18:04:50] <philipp64|work> doh.
2314 [18:04:57] <philipp64|work> /dev/sdb1 on /home/pprindev/workspace type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,data=ordered)
2315 [18:05:05] <sypher> philipp64|work: There ya go.
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2318 [18:05:28] <philipp64|work> didn't realize that on a bind-point that those controls applied... oops. thought they were inherited from the original mount.
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2327 [18:11:21] <kaerF> Hi, I'm trying to install Debian with a preconfiguration using this mini iso (ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/20160630/images/netboot/mini.iso). When using with preseed, the installer doesn't seem to configure the network before it tries downloading packages, then fails. Is this the fault of the preseed or the installer's?
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2330 [18:13:43] <BenNZ> kaerF: can depend of the reason its failed, if not using the same mirror as the iso file there could be different versions of files required , thats why i usually use the main mirror
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2335 [18:15:13] <kaerF> BenNZ: it tries downloading libc6-udev, then fails, because it never asks for mirrors, networking, or anything. it goes straight to package download.
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2337 [18:16:01] <kaerF> fwiw, this is the preseed replaced-url
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2340 [18:18:49] <BenNZ> kaerF: firefox wont let me open the preseed , complains about the website being insecure , if you dont use the preseed does it work properly?
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2343 [18:19:48] <kaerF> BenNZ: it's a self-signed certificate, you would have to accept it or use replaced-url
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2348 [18:21:20] <BenNZ> kaerF: not an expert but sounds like a preseed file problem , not sure tho how to fix
2349 [18:22:25] <kaerF> ah darnit, sorry BenNZ I just went through the installer without the preseed and it fails downloading libc6-udeb. thanks for your trouble, seems to be the installer is buggy.
2350 [18:22:43] <x37> im in gnome, debian, the sudoers file, what can i do to mount a drive
2351 [18:23:09] <kro_> i want a help about tcl install please, i make this
2352 [18:23:23] <kro_> apt-get install tcl
2353 [18:23:32] <kro_> apt-get install tcl-dev
2354 [18:23:43] <kro_> apt-get install tcllib
2355 [18:24:14] <kro_> and now rest the ./configure ? i don't know how to proceed
2356 [18:24:17] <x37> it says not authorized
2357 [18:24:29] <greycat> kro_: ./configure of what?
2358 [18:24:34] <kro_> wait
2359 [18:25:09] <kro_> ./configure '--with-tcllib=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtcl.so' '--with-tclinc=/usr/include/tcl/tcl.h'
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2361 [18:25:22] <greycat> kro_: what are you trying to do?
2362 [18:26:02] <kro_> i want to install tcl, it's necessary to install after an eggdrop...
2363 [18:26:17] <greycat> You HAVE installed tcl.
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2365 [18:26:29] <greycat> So what you are actually trying to do is build eggdrop from source?
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2367 [18:26:37] <digdilem> you probably don't want tcl or eggdrop. horrid software
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2370 [18:27:30] <molwy> o/
2371 [18:27:34] <kro_> but when i run ./configure:
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2373 [18:27:43] <kro_> bash: ./configure: no such file or folder
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2375 [18:27:48] <greycat> ... oh my fucking god.
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2377 [18:27:51] <LaNoob> re
2378 [18:27:53] <greycat> Unhelpable.
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2380 [18:29:02] <greycat> Since I'm stupid enough to try....
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2382 [18:29:14] <asarch> ,,kernel
2383 [18:29:24] <greycat> kro_: You only use ./configure if you are compiling (building) something FROM SOURCE CODE. If you are just trying to install eggdrop, you don't need all that.
2384 [18:29:33] <greycat> ,v eggdrop
2385 [18:29:34] <judd> Package: eggdrop on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.6.19-1.2; wheezy: 1.6.20-1; stretch: 1.6.21-4; sid: 1.6.21-4; jessie: 1.6.21-4
2386 [18:29:40] <greycat> You can simply apt-get install eggdrop.
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2389 [18:30:12] <kro_> greycat ok
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2391 [18:30:20] <kro_> i try this know
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2393 [18:31:29] <kro_> how to run it after apt-get install eggdrop ?
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2395 [18:31:48] <greycat> I don't know. Try "man -k eggdrop" or "cd /usr/share/doc/eggdrop ; ls"
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2398 [18:32:07] <kro_> ok
2399 [18:32:29] <Fr_Dae> kro_ juste apt
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2401 [18:32:42] <Fr_Dae> apt-get don't usefull anymore
2402 [18:32:47] <digdilem> kro_, from memory, just run "eggdrop" as a user.
2403 [18:32:51] <Fr_Dae> apt = apt-get with color and progress bar
2404 [18:32:58] <digdilem> you can also use --help and specify a config file
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2408 [18:33:22] <kro_> ok
2409 [18:33:55] <mbn_18> Hi, how can I set the timezone in one line without the need to select from menu interface?
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2411 [18:34:13] <digdilem> there's a lot of documentation. unfortunately none of it helps eggdrop be better software. it's old, fiddly and tcl as a scripting language is medically proven to cause migraine.
2412 [18:34:47] <greycat> Tcl is not bad.
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2415 [18:35:55] <greycat> !start a language war
2416 [18:35:55] <dpkg> Pascal is more readable than C
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2427 [18:40:19] <sm00th> unbelieveable
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2436 [18:46:02] <daifuco> last friday I installed debian for the first time in years, it was testing, today I installed (to stay) jessie but audio is not working, what should I try? newer kernel?
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2458 [18:54:57] <jhutchins> !alsa checklist
2459 [18:54:58] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
2460 [18:55:34] <jhutchins> !pulseaudio
2461 [18:55:35] <dpkg> PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at replaced-url
2462 [18:55:54] * extor wants to go from a fresh install of debian yesterday to this lxde/openbox setup replaced-url
2463 [18:56:11] <daifuco> thanks jhutchins
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2465 [18:56:34] <extor> I guess I just want transparent terminals, and perhaps a simple green and black theme. I don't want the fancy dashboard
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2482 [19:01:53] <jhutchins> extor: You'd probably need to contact whoever set that up.
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2485 [19:02:27] <madprops> hi, I installed wordpress using the debian wiki replaced-url
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2488 [19:03:58] <Fjorgynn> I see
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2490 [19:04:24] <Fjorgynn> madprops: I myself downloaded the zip
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2492 [19:04:34] <Fjorgynn> madprops: do you use apache2?
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2494 [19:04:39] <madprops> yep
2495 [19:04:58] <Fjorgynn> the /var/replaced-url
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2497 [19:05:40] <Fjorgynn> go to /var/replaced-url
2498 [19:05:43] <Fjorgynn> wget replaced-url
2499 [19:05:50] <Fjorgynn> tar -zxvf latest.tar.gz
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2501 [19:06:00] <Fjorgynn> much easier
2502 [19:06:16] <madprops> hmm
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2504 [19:06:27] <madprops> i kinda wanted to stick to debian's package .. but if there's nothing else i can do i'll do that
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2508 [19:07:20] <Fjorgynn> ok
2509 [19:07:22] <Fjorgynn> Version: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u9
2510 [19:07:30] <Fjorgynn> the wordpress.org has 4.5.3
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2513 [19:07:58] <Fjorgynn> maybe /var/replaced-url
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2515 [19:08:13] <Fjorgynn> that's my only suggestion
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2517 [19:09:09] <digdilem> madprops, is there a readme.debian or documentation in /usr/share/wordpress that helps?
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2519 [19:10:08] <madprops> there's a readme.html replaced-url
2520 [19:10:22] <madprops> but it's wordpress's
2521 [19:10:59] <Fjorgynn> ln -s /usr/share/wordpress /var/replaced-url
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2523 [19:11:39] <madprops> hmmmm
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2527 [19:13:02] <madprops> so if i put an index.php in /var/replaced-url
2528 [19:13:15] <madprops> right now wordpress works in site.com/wp
2529 [19:13:17] <greycat> Not in jessie.
2530 [19:13:20] <Fjorgynn> :((
2531 [19:13:25] <greycat> In wheezy, yeah.
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2533 [19:14:02] <madprops> hmm
2534 [19:14:03] <greycat> Jessie moved the default DocumentRoot to /var/replaced-url
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2537 [19:15:05] <madprops> oh hmmm
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2539 [19:15:40] <madprops> well it's not working i still get bad request 400 ..
2540 [19:15:43] <madprops> it has a subdomain btw
2541 [19:15:45] <madprops> something.site.com
2542 [19:15:59] <madprops> the only 'routing' to that domain i did was a config file in wordpress
2543 [19:16:11] <jhutchins> greycat: Other distros have been defaulting to that path for a while.
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2545 [19:16:57] <madprops> guess im installing wordpress manually
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2547 [19:18:39] <digdilem> for a domain to work with apache, let alone wordpress, you need to set up an apache config as well as set the dns to point to that server
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2549 [19:19:56] <psycho> guys, how to disable DE in debian
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2551 [19:20:26] <digdilem> madprops, the apache config tells the user which directory to load index.php from
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2553 [19:21:00] <digdilem> (sorry, badly worded - the apache config knows which directory to look for index.php to serve to the user)
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2556 [19:21:48] <greycat> For replaced-url
2557 [19:22:13] <greycat> It may be sufficient to give it a non-default DocumentRoot. Or it may take more.
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2564 [19:25:09] <madprops> this is the only apache conf i made for wp replaced-url
2565 [19:25:20] <madprops> oh hmm
2566 [19:25:26] <madprops> guess it's just changing /wp to /
2567 [19:26:12] <madprops> if i change it i get "Forbidden"
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2577 [19:31:22] <madprops> i guess it's because of the /html thing
2578 [19:31:29] <madprops> or idk
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2582 [19:31:49] <greycat> I really do suggest the virtual domain route. Quite strongly.
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2584 [19:32:15] <digdilem> me too, it's neater and a much better way to organise a multi-site server.
2585 [19:32:29] <madprops> not sure what you mean by virtual domain route
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2587 [19:33:03] <digdilem> madprops, something like this; replaced-url
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2589 [19:33:34] <madprops> oh you mean a vhost
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2591 [19:33:59] <digdilem> once you have dns pointing to your chosen domain, set apache up for the same dns, visit it and then wordpress's auto-config page should load. If you get an error, check apache's error.log and work the problem through
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2595 [19:35:05] <madprops> yeah but it's probably not that easy with debian's package .. as it seems it's split in 2 directories
2596 [19:35:13] <madprops> i think im gonna ... do it from scratch downloading the zip
2597 [19:35:23] <digdilem> the vhosts would normally be in /etc/apache/sites_available and one per domain
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2600 [19:35:38] <digdilem> then you'd enable each with "a2ensite configname"
2601 [19:36:00] <greycat> that's /etc/apache2/
2602 [19:36:07] <digdilem> there's a default config in that directory which kinda shows you what to do
2603 [19:36:11] <digdilem> greycat, ah, yes. well spotted
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2605 [19:36:29] <madprops> yeah i have tons of vhosts
2606 [19:36:38] <madprops> i run several applications in this server
2607 [19:36:47] <digdilem> then do what you've done before :)
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2609 [19:36:50] <SteppenII> m
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2612 [19:38:29] <madprops> wish linux had an 'undo'
2613 [19:38:34] <madprops> afaik it doesn't have one
2614 [19:38:47] <madprops> liek you can really mess something up by rm the wrong thing
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2616 [19:38:52] <digdilem> heh, oops
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2626 [19:43:16] <Fox682> VM's work great, they have undo buttons lol
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2630 [19:45:08] <OrbsTheorem> configuring the kernel for iptables nat support is so complicated...
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2632 [19:45:21] <mernilio> Hi all! :-) I have forgotten the offtopic channel?
2633 [19:45:33] <missmbob> !ot
2634 [19:45:33] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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2637 [19:46:04] <mernilio> ahh .. thanks missmbob
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2643 [19:48:20] <pseudonymous> Given replaced-url
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2645 [19:50:36] <sypher> pseudonymous: Line 3 seems to conflict with line 6. Not sure if that would affect the rest.
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2647 [19:50:58] <pseudonymous> sypher: woops, very true
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2662 [19:54:16] <Fox682> oh! i have this weird problem with my debian installs and VMs, on my machines it takes For EVER to initialize the Network... sits there for like 30 seconds waiting to bring up the network and it driving my boot time waaaay up.
2663 [19:54:36] <pseudonymous> Fox682: sounds like it's simply timing out
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2667 [19:56:02] <Fox682> yeah it is... is there an easy way to delay the network config so it waits a little bit longer to try to get the interfaces up?"
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2669 [19:57:18] <sypher> Fox682: Try setting the interface definition to "allow-hotplug". It'll let the system boot and bring up the NIC when it's able.
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2673 [19:57:58] <Fox682> I can probably find it, but off hand do you know the name of the config file?
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2675 [19:58:11] <pseudonymous> Fox682: sounds like /etc/networking/interfaces
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2677 [19:58:24] <Fox682> ah, that sounds right
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2679 [19:58:25] <sypher> /etc/network/interfaces
2680 [19:58:26] <greycat> YM /etc/network/interfaces
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2682 [19:58:51] <olivier> how can I enable flash and silverlight on debian ?
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2686 [19:59:31] <missmbob> !silverlight
2687 [19:59:31] <dpkg> Moonlight was an open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight for Linux and other Unix-based systems. Silverlight is used to deliver interactive audio and video through a web browser, similar to <Adobe Flash>. Previously packaged for Debian (never part of a stable release), removed to resolve Debian bug #638565. Moonlight's development has been discontinued. replaced-url
2688 [19:59:39] <missmbob> discontinued...
2689 [19:59:49] <missmbob> !tell olivier about flash
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2691 [20:00:09] <olivier> and for flash ?
2692 [20:00:22] <teraflops> olivier: for silverlight you use pipelight or nothing ^
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2695 [20:00:39] <olivier> because I tried with pipelight and I enable silverlight but it's not work
2696 [20:00:41] <pseudonymous> olivier: I'm guessing you want to stream Netflix or something like that. Since silverlight isn't on Linux most people have used a packaged version of Firefox & Silverlight in a Wine (winehq.org) installation to do that.
2697 [20:00:46] <missmbob> pipelight works for only really old versions of chrome, right?
2698 [20:00:50] <olivier> yes I want to stream netflix
2699 [20:00:53] <missmbob> olivier: the bot told you what to do about flash
2700 [20:01:02] <pseudonymous> Pipelight works for Firefox, too. I never used Chrome
2701 [20:01:06] <missmbob> olivier: you should've said. none of those will help you with netflix
2702 [20:01:17] <missmbob> olivier: netflix works on 64-bit chrome (not chromium)
2703 [20:01:25] <teraflops> pipelight only works with firefox
2704 [20:01:59] <teraflops> olivier: if you want netflix on debian just use chrome
2705 [20:02:04] <pseudonymous> ... and pipelight+firefox worked for me with netflix. But you may need to alter the browser's user agent. TL;DR, be prepared for some research, Olivier
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2710 [20:02:32] <missmbob> there is no research. 64-bit chrome just works out of the box
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2712 [20:02:36] <teraflops> pseudonymous: pipelight is a good choice for 1080p since videvine only does 720p
2713 [20:02:50] <teraflops> widevine*
2714 [20:02:57] <olivier> on ubuntu, pipelight work on chromium but on debian i don't know and flash work with pipelight on firefox but not silverlight
2715 [20:03:01] <pseudonymous> missmbob: chrome is *not* an option if you care the least about privacy.. Eww
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2718 [20:03:20] <missmbob> pseudonymous: good for you
2719 [20:03:30] <pseudonymous> I know ^^
2720 [20:03:34] <teraflops> olivier: for chromium there's widevine too, it does not work on debian builds though
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2722 [20:03:59] <olivier> okay
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2725 [20:04:31] <mass> peace
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2727 [20:04:46] <no0bs1337> !help
2728 [20:04:51] <no0bs1337> !topic
2729 [20:04:52] <olivier> okay so no netflix on debian ?
2730 [20:05:01] <mass> use wine
2731 [20:05:10] <Fox682> possibly through chrome i heard?
2732 [20:05:10] <missmbob> olivier: chrome works with netflix on debian
2733 [20:05:10] <olivier> I have a little problem with wine
2734 [20:05:11] <no0bs1337> olivier, use google chrome !!!
2735 [20:05:18] <teraflops> chrome does netflix on debian out-of-the-box
2736 [20:05:20] <missmbob> he doesn't listen.
2737 [20:05:25] <pseudonymous> olivier: we just told you. You can use Chrome or Pipelight+Firefox (for instance)
2738 [20:05:32] <olivier> okay thank you
2739 [20:05:55] <teraflops> olivier: … or setup pipelight + firefox
2740 [20:06:14] <olivier> I setup pipelight+firefox
2741 [20:06:39] <missmbob> which will soon not work because firefox is dropped npapi support. smart option.
2742 [20:06:42] <mass> if wine have problem use playonlinux
2743 [20:07:06] <olivier> I use playonlinux but playonlinux crash when i try to install a .exe
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2745 [20:07:29] <OrbsTheorem> oldschool :) replaced-url
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2748 [20:08:14] <mass> use kodi addone
2749 [20:08:14] <pseudonymous> olivier: you need to take things slow. It took me about 2 months to get everything I wanted working on Linux when I started. Take the time to study and learn
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2751 [20:08:33] <`Kevin> ^ first step, skip wine etc
2752 [20:08:35] <teraflops> mass: kodi addon for what?
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2754 [20:08:40] <mass> install kodi and addone netflix
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2756 [20:08:51] <missmbob> mass: you're not helping
2757 [20:08:55] <olivier> my kodi crash when I start it
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2760 [20:09:10] <olivier> I install kodi but kodi crash
2761 [20:09:14] <teraflops> ^ netflix addon uses the external browser
2762 [20:09:22] <no0bs1337> teraflops, Strage. I use google netlix on my debian box VM , with google chrome. I use testing
2763 [20:09:34] <no0bs1337> teraflops, **strange
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2766 [20:10:07] <olivier> I tried everything for kodi but kodi crash
2767 [20:10:08] <teraflops> what's strange? we said chrome does netflix out of the box
2768 [20:10:10] <missmbob> no0bs1337: that's not strange. chrome 64-bit works on debian. the end.
2769 [20:10:21] <no0bs1337> missmbob, Ok.
2770 [20:10:26] <teraflops> olivier: again the kodi addon just call your web browser
2771 [20:10:42] <olivier> okay
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2773 [20:10:51] <mass> wine crash and playonlinux crash and kodi crash whats that all crshed with you !
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2776 [20:11:08] <olivier> I know
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2778 [20:11:16] <missmbob> wine and playonlinux is basically same code and sucks for newbies. kodi i don't know
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2780 [20:12:43] <olivier> Error in POL_Wine
2781 [20:12:50] <olivier> I have this on playonlinux
2782 [20:12:54] <mass> i know playonlinux is wine bassid but some one exe work on playonlinux better
2783 [20:13:24] <teraflops> olivier: wine can be a pain you better ask in #wine too
2784 [20:13:35] <Flippylosaurus> Is there a XBMC channel here?
2785 [20:13:36] <teraflops> #wine or whatever
2786 [20:13:43] <olivier> okay and for kodi ?
2787 [20:13:47] <olivier> #kodi ?
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2789 [20:14:14] <olivier> with kodi i have many crashlogs
2790 [20:14:22] <baraba> xbmc is now called kodi Flippylosaurus
2791 [20:14:31] <missmbob> it's #winehq not #wine...fyi
2792 [20:14:45] <missmbob> this all seems very silly to just access netflix
2793 [20:14:54] <Flippylosaurus> baraba: ah. Didn't touch it in 3 years or so, ty
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2795 [20:15:25] <teraflops> olivier: usually koodi crashes are related to hw acceleration, just disable all the 3rd party addons for making yourself sure it's not a borked addon
2796 [20:15:29] <teraflops> kodi*
2797 [20:16:32] <mass> add refresh addon
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2799 [20:16:41] <`Kevin> possible dumb question, are you perhaps running kodi under wine/playonlinux?
2800 [20:16:49] <teraflops> heh
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2803 [20:17:31] <mass> kodi work on linux without wine
2804 [20:17:56] <`Kevin> clearly :P
2805 [20:17:58] <mass> its work for linux
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2807 [20:18:19] <teraflops> it works almost everywhere
2808 [20:18:28] <missmbob> `Kevin: if you knew the history you'd know it's not a crazy question considering who he's asking
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2810 [20:18:34] <missmbob> oops mass ^
2811 [20:18:40] <olivier> replaced-url
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2813 [20:18:45] <olivier> crashlog for kodi
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2822 [20:21:01] <olivier> okay so I have to go, thank your for your help
2823 [20:21:02] <olivier> bye
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2831 [20:22:23] <teraflops> missmbob: is this olivier the french guy from yesterday that was unable to install debian ?
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2835 [20:23:40] <missmbob> teraflops: my logs say the ip matches
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2837 [20:23:50] <teraflops> oh
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2858 [20:33:33] <madprops> wordpress installed
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2862 [20:34:12] <mass_> mm
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2867 [20:34:43] <mass_> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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2870 [20:35:16] <pseudonymous> eww, eeeeeereplaced-url
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2876 [20:37:32] <mass> how i can change mouse pointer on debian
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2880 [20:38:04] <teraflops> it depends on your DE/WM
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2882 [20:38:12] <mass> its change only on app like firefox
2883 [20:38:14] <pseudonymous> mass: usually your desktop environment (KDE, XFCE, Gnome) will allow you to do that
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2885 [20:38:16] <leba2> Has anyone tried to mount an external usb hdd formatted in ntfs? Because I'm getting "cannot create regular file [...] read-only file system" error...
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2887 [20:38:31] <mass> mate
2888 [20:38:38] <leba2> I mean, it mounts correctly, but I get that when trying to copy a file
2889 [20:38:41] <missmbob> leba2: you have to use ntfs-3g. the default kernel module is read only
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2891 [20:38:53] <missmbob> !tell leba2 about ntfs-3g
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2893 [20:39:09] <pseudonymous> leba2: by default almost nothing will allow you to mount NTFS in read/write mode. It's a proprietary closed-source filesystem so its functions have to be reverse engineered, hence no one feels like allowing you to corrupt your filesystem :)
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2895 [20:39:29] <missmbob> ntfs-3g does a great job writing these days
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2897 [20:39:51] <leba2> Oohh, so I need to indeed install the ntfs tools, and more because I did a minimal Debian installation...
2898 [20:39:55] <pseudonymous> Still woudln't trust my files to it. Just use FAT32 or suck it up and share files via Samba or something.
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2900 [20:40:33] <missmbob> pseudonymous: not that possible these days. vfat limit of 4g files...no thanks
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2902 [20:41:04] <pseudonymous> missmbob: rather that than corruption, also, splitting files and reassembling them is rather trivial.
2903 [20:41:19] <missmbob> pseudonymous: corruption can be solved with write verification, etc.
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2914 [20:43:11] <pseudonymous> missmbob: your files, man. I've just had enough dead NTFS filesystems to leave well enough alone
2915 [20:43:34] <r6ku> there was some cli command for changing the default pointer theme, which would fix the inconsistent theme problem, but I forgot what it was :p
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2917 [20:44:31] <sypher> missmbob: Your funeral if you use NTFS. Even Windows can't get NTFS right, and you think that ntfs-3g is your go-to? Not a good plan.
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2920 [20:45:15] <missmbob> sypher: when did i say that? i said ntfs-3g does a great job writing. of course i use ext4 when possible.
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2924 [20:45:36] <missmbob> sypher: you can't reformat everything. work with what you've got
2925 [20:45:46] <sypher> missmbob: K. You have fun with that.
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2927 [20:46:00] <missmbob> sypher: most tv's dont accept ext4 flash drives. they do accept ntfs
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2929 [20:46:13] <missmbob> perfect example
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2931 [20:47:22] <pseudonymous> missmbob: yes it is, because that's a usecase where you don't care if the filesystem becomes corrupt, it's just an episode of The Big Bang, after all
2932 [20:47:47] <missmbob> i never said it wasn't corruptable. man. so many assumptions.
2933 [20:47:51] <pseudonymous> The point is that NTFS is an evolving, closed-source filesystem which Microsoft has zero interest in you using
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2935 [20:48:41] <missmbob> just take what i said at face value and don't keep reading what you think into it.
2936 [20:49:05] <pseudonymous> We're not talking about whether or not NTFS is corruptible, of course it is, I doubt it even checksums metadata. The point is that the way the files and metadata is laid out isn't formally defined in a standard somewhere, so people are just winging it. Hence you're extremely likely to destroy an NTFS filesystem when writing to it from Linux.
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2938 [20:49:42] <simonlnu> not IME
2939 [20:49:50] <missmbob> extremely likely? no
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2944 [20:50:01] <missmbob> ntfs-3g is not the old school ntfs driver that it was.
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3033 [20:50:22] <pseudonymous> missmbob: and NTFS is not the same filesystem it was in XP, either
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3070 [20:50:41] <simonlnu> i've rsynced stuff to/from wincrap enough times that i find it reliable enough for basic writing.
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3095 [20:51:20] <simonlnu> i'm not going to rely on some hypothetical say-so, i'm going to go on personal experience.
3096 [20:51:23] <pseudonymous> Great. You know hundreds of people also find Btrfs reliable enough for day-to-day ops, until some guy's usecase hit a new cornercase and his FS blows up
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3099 [20:51:47] <simonlnu> there's always corner cases. it's the nature of the beast.
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3101 [20:52:00] <simonlnu> it's software. there's always bugs.
3102 [20:52:01] <missmbob> corner doesn't mean "extremely likely"
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3104 [20:52:14] <pseudonymous> There's a reason why enterprise etc hold off on adopting filesystems for years. Just saying. If it's an acceptable risk (again, we're transferring media files so our smart TV) then that's fine, that's all I'm saying
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3111 [20:52:58] <simonlnu> i'm not "enterprise", i don't have a spaceship on my balcony.
3112 [20:53:03] <pseudonymous> missmbob: btrfs is documented & open source, there, it's corner-cases. But whenever MS releases a new copy of Windows with new additions to NTFS which have to be discovered & reverse engineered, you're running the risk of blowing up your NTFS partitions.
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3114 [20:53:15] * simonlnu was finding it too serious ;)
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3116 [20:53:28] <pseudonymous> simonlnu: again, you may have family photos on that partition
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3118 [20:53:43] <simonlnu> no sense of humour: check
3119 [20:53:46] <missmbob> pseudonymous: not quite so much. they have to have backward compatibility to a certain extent for older versions of windows. xp can read win 10 formated ntfs usb
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3123 [20:54:19] <pseudonymous> Hell, who am I to caution you. Use whatever the heck you want, I'm just not comfortable with recommending random people seeking help here to do the same thing without at least informing them that they might want to think twice. Any informed decision is fine.
3124 [20:54:56] <missmbob> i wasn't randomly doing anything. they asked how to write to ntfs. ntfs-3g. the end.
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3130 [20:55:29] <pseudonymous> Telling people to use ntfs-3g to write to a ntfs partition is akin to helping people scan & send their passport via Email
3131 [20:55:39] <missmbob> pseudonymous: i'm sorry to tell you there's a risk of you getting in a car accident today
3132 [20:55:55] <missmbob> oh wtf
3133 [20:55:57] <pseudonymous> yea, you could tell them how to, but you should probably preface it with "You probably don't want to do this, FYI"
3134 [20:55:58] <missmbob> that's bullshit
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3136 [20:56:24] <missmbob> i don't give a shit. i'm going for a smoke. that's some serious ass talking there
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3139 [20:56:46] <sypher> Nice attitude.
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3144 [20:58:08] <greycat> Err, what's wrong with ntfs-3g exactly?
3145 [20:58:28] <simonlnu> pseudonymous: you can't save the world. chill.
3146 [20:59:21] <pseudonymous> simonlnu: I am quite relaxed, only two or three veins are bulging atm
3147 [20:59:29] <missmbob> it'd be nice to get a real answer to greycat
3148 [20:59:43] <missmbob> what you've said so far has been ...well...clueless
3149 [20:59:52] <sypher> pseudonymous: What's the threshold? :P
3150 [20:59:59] <pseudonymous> missmbob: have you written a kernel level filesystem ? I have, so yea.
3151 [21:00:14] <pseudonymous> (admittedly it was not the best or fastest one :P )
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3153 [21:00:44] <missmbob> pseudonymous: not an answer. that's an ad hominem fallacy
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3159 [21:01:53] <pseudonymous> greycat: it's fine for reading your filesystem. It's just that a filesystem has a lot of metadata that stores where files are placed, governs allocation strategies et cetera. NTFS-3G has the disadvantage that Microsoft doesn't tell anyone how it's done in NTFS so people have to examine the patterns of existing file systems to try and work out (reverse-engineer) how it's done and if they get that
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3163 [21:01:59] <pseudonymous> wrong, they might corrupt your filesystem.
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3170 [21:02:49] <pseudonymous> missmbob: I'm merely implying that my opinion is probably better informed than yours
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3172 [21:03:02] <pseudonymous> Given that 8 months of my life was about writing a file system.
3173 [21:03:31] <greycat> I can accept "I don't believe ntfs-3g has been sufficiently well tested" as an answer. But that's still a far cry from "it's like giving people a copy of your passport".
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3176 [21:04:48] <pseudonymous> greycat: wasn't exactly what I said either. I was saying that simply answering how to accomplish something isn't always good help - sometimes you need to tell them that what they're trying to achieve shouldn't be attempted, at least not without understanding the potential dangers.
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3179 [21:05:23] <bh2> .
3180 [21:05:30] <kulelu88> Hello
3181 [21:05:34] <simonlnu> pseudonymous: it *used* to be that way. but ntfs-3g has made a lot of breakthroughs in the last years that it's become a lot more reliable.
3182 [21:05:50] <kulelu88> where can I find the .deb package of this: libpeas-1.0-0-python2loader ?
3183 [21:05:59] <simonlnu> to the point of being able to write to it with little to no issues.
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3186 [21:06:24] <pseudonymous> simonlnu: I'm not implying it's bad, but until Microsoft definitely releases a specification on how to interpret & manipulate the file system structures, you're playing with fire.
3187 [21:06:47] * simonlnu plays with fire a lot, "i'm used to it ;)"
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3192 [21:07:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> windows also has to write to ntfs... there can't be changes to the file system that blow up when older windows versions write to ntfs
3193 [21:07:50] <greycat> When you work with black-box non-free systems (e.g. Microsoft file systems), you have to treat it like scientific research. You make your best guesses, you write the code, you test and test and test. Eventually you reach the point where no more problems are observed, and the you call it "stable".
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3199 [21:08:22] <greycat> You're never going to get the specifications.
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3201 [21:08:35] <pseudonymous> Exactly, that's all I'm saying
3202 [21:09:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> kulelu88, don't think there's a package in debian for that
3203 [21:09:19] <kulelu88> Doesn't Debian package blackbox firmware?
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3205 [21:09:31] <greycat> In non-free.
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3208 [21:10:56] <OrbsTheorem> Does ssh uses kernel resolver or has it's own stuff?
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3210 [21:11:07] <greycat> It uses the regular libc (not kernel) resolver.
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3212 [21:11:49] <OrbsTheorem> ping from iputils uses libc resolver aswell isn't it?
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3214 [21:11:57] <greycat> yeah
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3216 [21:12:07] <greycat> But nslookup, dig, host do not.
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3219 [21:12:40] * `Kevin cringes @ thoughts of kernel code resolving dns....
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3221 [21:12:41] <OrbsTheorem> then why ping epfl.ch pings the right address and ssh uses the router address (ssh -vvv...)
3222 [21:12:44] <OrbsTheorem> ?
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3224 [21:13:30] <greycat> a) what does "type ssh" say? b) did you configure anything for "epfl.ch" in your ~/.ssh/config ?
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3227 [21:13:57] <teraflops> OrbsTheorem: you're wrong
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3229 [21:14:19] <OrbsTheorem> ssh is the right binary
3230 [21:14:20] <greycat> well, the problem is to figure out *why* he's wrong
3231 [21:14:28] <greycat> OrbsTheorem: it says *what* exactly?
3232 [21:14:29] <OrbsTheorem> well, there's an alias for epfl.ch
3233 [21:14:31] <OrbsTheorem> wait
3234 [21:14:32] <kulelu88> I seem to have found libpeas here: replaced-url
3235 [21:14:39] <greycat> OK, sounds like you're getting to it then.
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3237 [21:15:03] <greycat> kulelu88: if it isn't packaged in Debian, then you may have to install it from the upstream code. DO NOT use an ubuntu package.
3238 [21:15:12] <teraflops> well but I mean replaced-url
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3240 [21:15:45] <OrbsTheorem> I just logged in a captiva portal
3241 [21:15:53] <teraflops> it's the same ip
3242 [21:15:56] <OrbsTheorem> replaced-url
3243 [21:16:02] <kulelu88> greycat: I came here asking about it because it looks like there is an issue with gedit plugins not working because they are missing this lib
3244 [21:16:05] <OrbsTheorem> that's the output from ssh
3245 [21:16:07] <teraflops> OrbsTheorem: ^
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3248 [21:16:34] <greycat> OrbsTheorem: and did you find something relevant in ~/.ssh/config? It sounded like you had.
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3252 [21:16:57] <bizarrefish> Hi all
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3254 [21:17:18] <bizarrefish> Does anyone know where /run is mounted as tmpfs?
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3256 [21:17:21] <bizarrefish> I can't find it
3257 [21:17:28] <kulelu88> what language uses files with .ch?
3258 [21:17:30] <simonlnu> at boot
3259 [21:17:33] <teraflops> OrbsTheorem: youre login from inside
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3261 [21:17:38] <simonlnu> switzerland
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3263 [21:17:52] <bizarrefish> simonlnu: But where exactly? What systemd unit?
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3266 [21:18:00] <kulelu88> oh it's a domain *facepalm*
3267 [21:18:03] <simonlnu> grep it, i don't recall
3268 [21:18:15] <OrbsTheorem> teraflops from inside?
3269 [21:18:20] <bizarrefish> been grepping for a while. Nothing yet. I was wondering if it was hardcoded into systemd
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3272 [21:18:36] <kulelu88> you never know with systemd ...
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3274 [21:18:41] <OrbsTheorem> I think is more a problem with caches
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3276 [21:18:50] <teraflops> 1:15:45 OrbsTheore ⎸ I just logged in a captiva portal. look at what ip address you have
3277 [21:19:05] <simonlnu> i think it's still in the sysv stuff
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3279 [21:19:37] * simonlnu is running sid, moment
3280 [21:19:49] <greycat> "U+23B8 LEFT VERTICAL BOX LINE" ... c'mon, *really*? | wasn't good enough?
3281 [21:19:55] <OrbsTheorem> I just connected to an wifi network behind a captiva portal, the router address is 10.101.0.1 my address is 10.101.1.125/21
3282 [21:20:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions libpeas-1.0-python2loader
3283 [21:20:05] <judd> Package: libpeas-1.0-python2loader on amd64 -- sid: 1.18.0-3; stretch: 1.18.0-3
3284 [21:20:13] <OrbsTheorem> that's the router replying me that ssh is closed
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3286 [21:20:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> kulelu88, oh yeah, it's in testing/unstable...
3287 [21:20:20] <rhizome> extended ascii box line doesn't leave gaps :P
3288 [21:20:22] <OrbsTheorem> which (I hope) is normal
3289 [21:20:28] <teraflops> OrbsTheorem: and?
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3291 [21:20:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, checkbackport libpeas-1.0-python2loader
3292 [21:20:34] <judd> Backporting package libpeas-1.0-python2loader in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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3294 [21:20:40] <croddy> well i mean even code page 437 had a dedicated set of box drawing characters
3295 [21:20:41] <bizarrefish> simonlnu: Looks like it's supposed to be done in mountkernfs, but that's masked in systemd
3296 [21:20:41] <simonlnu> bizarrefish: still in sysv stuff even in sid
3297 [21:20:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> kulelu88, and seems you can backport it to stable without problems
3298 [21:21:03] <croddy> you only get one hyphen-minus, but you get single and double-stroked boxes
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3300 [21:21:32] <OrbsTheorem> teraflops: and ssh is resolving epfl.ch to the router address instead of the real one
3301 [21:21:44] <OrbsTheorem> but ping does ping the real host
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3304 [21:21:59] <teraflops> OrbsTheorem: it works fine from outside, go talk with the sysadmins, we don't know about the captive portal youre using
3305 [21:21:59] <teraflops> then it's filtered?
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3307 [21:22:31] <teraflops> OrbsTheorem: some weird redirection? who knows
3308 [21:22:46] <OrbsTheorem> it's possible...
3309 [21:22:53] <f-a_> I got a scanned pdf, with 2 A5 pages per pdf page. Is there a way to 'break' them horizontally (so to have 1 sheet for every pdf page)?
3310 [21:22:54] <OrbsTheorem> but why only ssh?
3311 [21:23:14] <teraflops> OrbsTheorem: I do vpn inside captive portals, if it fails I do iodine
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3313 [21:23:29] <OrbsTheorem> I'll try the vpn
3314 [21:23:31] <simonlnu> |||||| so much easier to type :)
3315 [21:23:35] <greycat> OrbsTheorem: Did you find NOTHING in ~/.ssh/config then? What did "15:14 OrbsTheorem> well, there's an alias for epfl.ch" mean if not "Oh look I found SOMETHING IN MY CONFIG FILE"?
3316 [21:23:36] <OrbsTheorem> don't know iodine
3317 [21:23:57] <teraflops> OrbsTheorem: again it's about the captive portal
3318 [21:24:03] <OrbsTheorem> greycat: yes, my normal config, I mean it works everywhere else
3319 [21:24:07] <bizarrefish> simonlnu: Weird. I'm on 8. perhaps they did something specific when preparing the OS for this board. Can't think why they would have messed with it, though
3320 [21:24:12] <greycat> You didn't fucking LOOK, did you.
3321 [21:24:14] <greycat> Jesus Christ.
3322 [21:24:21] <OrbsTheorem> yes I did
3323 [21:24:32] <simonlnu> bizarrefish: maybe
3324 [21:24:35] <teraflops> OrbsTheorem: replaced-url
3325 [21:25:19] <missmbob> greycat: you should update curly.pl.txt :P i'm on irssi as well
3326 [21:25:34] <teraflops> greycat: oh I missed that part, I thought he was talking about dns
3327 [21:25:37] <greycat> missmbob: Think I just did, but I'll have to wait for teraflops to do that again.
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3329 [21:25:57] <OrbsTheorem> what? payload over dns queries? xD
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3332 [21:26:19] <teraflops> greycat: do wat!?
3333 [21:26:30] <greycat> teraflops: paste something with a U+23B8 character in it.
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3335 [21:26:36] <bizarrefish> simonlnu: Think I've got it. /etc/init.d/mountkernfs reload is called from /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh
3336 [21:26:40] <bizarrefish> Mystery solved.
3337 [21:26:42] <bizarrefish> Ew, though
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3339 [21:27:01] <bizarrefish> Surely there's a better place for that.
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3341 [21:27:03] <simonlnu> old stuff, that works, but also needs work ;)
3342 [21:27:19] <teraflops> → ↑ →↓ ಠ_ಠ♥
3343 [21:27:19] <bizarrefish> Ah well, I can sleep easy now at least.
3344 [21:27:22] <bizarrefish> :D
3345 [21:27:32] <bizarrefish> Back to making things work
3346 [21:27:33] <greycat> bizarrefish: are you sure that's actually used and not just a remnant from when you were running wheezy?
3347 [21:27:34] <teraflops> ah greycat ok
3348 [21:27:51] <bizarrefish> greycat: This is an OS image which came with the board i'm using. Afaik it's debootstrapped
3349 [21:28:07] <teraflops> greycat: ⎸ ⎸
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3352 [21:28:29] <simonlnu> | |
3353 [21:28:35] <bizarrefish> A load of stuff depends on checkroot with sysv headers.
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3355 [21:28:44] <greycat> bizarrefish: Those ARM things are basically "based-on-Debian" distributions. Heavily modified. Any resemblance to standard Debian is coincidence.
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3357 [21:28:51] <bizarrefish> I'll assume one of those is being pulled in with systemd
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3359 [21:29:02] <teraflops> simonlnu: yours is not U+23B8 ;P
3360 [21:29:04] <bizarrefish> greycat: I'm seeing much more convergence than I used to with such things.
3361 [21:29:11] <greycat> well, that's good news
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3363 [21:29:13] <bizarrefish> But yeah, i know it's not the same
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3365 [21:30:10] <simonlnu> nope :)
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3369 [21:30:29] * OrbsTheorem hates this cofee shop public wifi...
3370 [21:31:06] <teraflops> greycat: when you get ready we can try the mathematical symbols
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3374 [21:31:34] <simonlnu> #
3375 [21:31:50] <greycat> teraflops: I'm not programming for every UTF-8 character. Just the ones that actually get used. Your paste of a quote of someone from your IRC client with 23B8 in it was a real use. Your paste of random gibberish just for the sake of gibberish, I do not count.
3376 [21:32:07] <teraflops> ah yeah
3377 [21:32:16] <LordShadowWing> I have a USB K-Byte Fingerprint reader. Does anybody know of a way to use biometric authentication with Gnu/Linux?
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3382 [21:32:50] <OrbsTheorem> LordShadowWing: I know you can integrate it with PAM
3383 [21:32:53] <teraflops> I use ⎸ in weechat
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3385 [21:33:08] <simonlnu> i just use the default weechat theme
3386 [21:33:10] <greycat> And my script is handling it now :)
3387 [21:33:44] <LordShadowWing> OrbsTheorem; I have little experience with PA
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3390 [21:33:51] <LordShadowWing> PAM*
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3392 [21:34:08] <rhizome> LordShadowWing: looks like fprint is a thing to look into
3393 [21:34:11] <teraflops> simonlnu: mine looks like replaced-url
3394 [21:34:19] <missmbob> greycat: hrm. i dont see it. /me wipes cache
3395 [21:34:30] <LordShadowWing> rhizome Thanks
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3397 [21:34:31] <greycat> Oh, I didn't *upload* the new script...
3398 [21:34:51] <greycat> there
3399 [21:35:07] <missmbob> greycat: thanks
3400 [21:35:20] <simonlnu> teraflops | simonlnu: mine looks like replaced-url
3401 [21:35:25] <OrbsTheorem> LordShadowWing: replaced-url
3402 [21:35:29] <simonlnu> me too ;)
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3405 [21:35:42] <OrbsTheorem> "Don't kill me for quoting archwiki, please"
3406 [21:35:47] <teraflops> simonlnu: ah hehe
3407 [21:36:02] <greycat> Archwiki is pretty good for Debian users too.
3408 [21:36:13] <simonlnu> yep
3409 [21:36:13] <greycat> But you do have to be careful about distro-specific changes.
3410 [21:36:18] <simonlnu> yep
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3413 [21:36:49] <simonlnu> archwiki is purdy good, for the most part.
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3415 [21:37:50] <teraflops> yeah even more since systemd arrived to debian too
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3417 [21:38:04] <OrbsTheorem> I like archwiki cause is a good path as guide, but I always distrust the commands and spawn a side pannel with the manpage
3418 [21:38:30] <OrbsTheorem> btw, about systemd
3419 [21:38:39] <defanor> hello. i'd like to get sound on eeepc and debian jessie to work, but not sure where to begin. replaced-url
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3423 [21:39:22] <OrbsTheorem> do you know how can I create a system process that is "optional". aka is won't block the system or wait for start/stop jobs related to it?
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3425 [21:39:42] <greycat> Make a systemd unit file in /etc/systemd/system/ and enable it.
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3427 [21:40:19] <greycat> At the bottom of it, just have something like [Install] (newline) WantedBy=multi-user.target
3428 [21:40:39] <teraflops> defanor: stay away from that wiki
3429 [21:40:56] <teraflops> defanor: latest update was in 2008
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3431 [21:41:13] <teraflops> error 2011^
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3433 [21:41:30] <OrbsTheorem> greycat: thanks
3434 [21:41:33] <OrbsTheorem> I'll test
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3436 [21:41:55] <defanor> teraflops: ok, seems outdated indeed
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3439 [21:42:10] <kulelu88> CutMeOwnThroat: how do I backport it to 14.04 trusty? (if ubuntu questions are allowed here)
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3442 [21:42:26] <greycat> Ubuntu questions are off topic here.
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3445 [21:43:04] <teraflops> heh from 2011-02-04 at 15:21:52
3446 [21:43:12] <defanor> i have snd_hda_intel module loaded, btw
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3448 [21:43:23] <defanor> arch wiki says it should work with it
3449 [21:43:25] <teraflops> defanor: what DE/WM?
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3454 [21:44:03] <teraflops> defanor: just use alsa, what's the issue, detailed please, does not work is not a detailed issue
3455 [21:44:08] <teraflops> use pulse*
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3457 [21:44:17] <defanor> teraflops: just i3. had gnome before, violently removed everything containing "gnome" in its name, but not sure if sound worked with it
3458 [21:44:23] <defanor> (never needed it before)
3459 [21:44:24] <teraflops> eh
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3462 [21:45:11] <kulelu88> alright, well I'm not going to bother for making gedit plugins work when the lib required to do so is still in testing on the latest Debian OS
3463 [21:45:13] <defanor> well, i see how it's a really poor description, but it simply doesn't work: no sound, and i don't see any errors. maybe didn't look well enough, will try to find something
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3466 [21:45:22] <defanor> (and it's not muted in alsamixer)
3467 [21:45:33] <teraflops> defanor: `pegrep pulseaudio` outputs something?
3468 [21:45:35] <defanor> so mostly asking what i may check
3469 [21:45:39] <greycat> !alsa checklist
3470 [21:45:39] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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3472 [21:45:55] <kulelu88> thank you all
3473 [21:45:56] <defanor> teraflops: i don't have pegrep, but i have pulseaudio in processes
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3475 [21:46:02] <teraflops> defanor: ok
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3479 [21:46:19] <defanor> will check what dpkg suggests now
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3481 [21:46:40] <teraflops> defanor: paste the output of `pactl list sinks` to replaced-url
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3483 [21:47:27] <teraflops> defanor: im trusting you about the not muted in alsamixer statement ^
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3502 [21:49:49] <teraflops> is there a way to flag out of date a debian wiki entry?
3503 [21:49:49] <defanor> 1) i'm in "audio" group; 2) alsamixer settings seem to be fine; 3) no 4) not sure, i guess 5) no, "connection refused", and just silence for a regular user; 6) didn't try yet, will paste things
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3505 [21:49:59] <teraflops> defanor: paste the output of `pactl list sinks` to replaced-url
3506 [21:50:05] <defanor> switching between keyboards is confusing, i'll be rather slow
3507 [21:50:23] <teraflops> use ix sprunge or ptpb
3508 [21:50:30] <greycat> connection refused? When playing audio? THAT sounds like pulse.
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3511 [21:50:46] <simonlnu> pulse not running, too
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3514 [21:51:15] <teraflops> defanor: pactl list sinks | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' replaced-url
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3520 [21:52:10] <defanor> installing curl
3521 [21:52:15] <teraflops> :P
3522 [21:52:23] <defanor> maybe i should have just connected there via ssh
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3526 [21:52:48] <defanor> didn't get used to the netbook keyboard since eeepc 1000 was new
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3528 [21:53:13] <defanor> replaced-url
3529 [21:53:22] <defanor> ugh, wrong
3530 [21:53:24] <defanor> replaced-url
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3532 [21:53:46] <defanor> hrm, it's empty
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3534 [21:53:59] <defanor> ouch, i've mistyped it on the netbook. will fix now
3535 [21:54:00] <teraflops> defanor: wel you get output there?
3536 [21:54:18] <defanor> yeah
3537 [21:54:24] <defanor> replaced-url
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3539 [21:54:30] <defanor> there it is
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3542 [21:55:07] <defanor> Mute: yes
3543 [21:55:08] <defanor> hrm
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3548 [21:55:44] <defanor> State: SUSPENDED
3549 [21:55:45] <defanor> and that
3550 [21:55:47] <teraflops> defanor: type: pactl set-default-sink alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo
3551 [21:55:57] <defanor> typing
3552 [21:56:03] <teraflops> defanor: it has tab completion ^
3553 [21:56:22] <defanor> doesn't seem to work
3554 [21:56:35] <defanor> (tab completion)
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3556 [21:57:10] <defanor> typed
3557 [21:57:18] <teraflops> defanor: now play music
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3559 [21:57:30] <defanor> nothing. will check alsamixer again
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3562 [21:57:42] <teraflops> or youtube or whatever
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3566 [21:58:19] <teraflops> defanor: press f5 while in alsamixer
3567 [21:58:21] <defanor> nope. neither aplay nor youtube seem to work, and sound is set to 100 in alsamixer. replaced-url
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3570 [21:58:43] <defanor> F5 shows "capture" in addition to "master"
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3574 [21:59:22] <teraflops> what about "PCM"?
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3576 [21:59:40] <teraflops> and automute
3577 [21:59:43] <defanor> nope
3578 [21:59:59] <teraflops> defanor: install pacucontrol
3579 [22:00:11] <defanor> but if i select sound card, it shows PCM and auto-mute
3580 [22:00:24] <defanor> i've disabled auto-mute before, and PCM is set to 100
3581 [22:00:28] <teraflops> defanor: yeah that's hat I meant by f5
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3583 [22:00:36] <defanor> oh, that's F6 here
3584 [22:00:54] <teraflops> oh yeah sorry im blind
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3586 [22:01:11] <defanor> shouldn't i get rid of those "mute" and "suspended" things somehow?
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3589 [22:01:25] <teraflops> unmute all the shit ^
3590 [22:01:29] <defanor> hrm, no "pacucontrol" package
3591 [22:01:40] <defanor> is there a way to mute/unmute it apart from alsamixer?
3592 [22:01:50] <teraflops> dang sorry
3593 [22:01:55] <teraflops> pavucontrol
3594 [22:01:57] <teraflops> ^
3595 [22:02:18] <defanor> installing
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3597 [22:02:44] <teraflops> defanor: youre using the built in speakers right?
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3599 [22:02:48] <defanor> yup
3600 [22:02:54] <defanor> installed it
3601 [22:02:54] <teraflops> ok
3602 [22:03:19] <defanor> oh, it's gui
3603 [22:03:25] <teraflops> yeah
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3606 [22:03:54] <teraflops> defanor: look at output devices tab
3607 [22:04:01] <teraflops> check is not mutted there
3608 [22:04:10] <defanor> system sounds are set to silence, FF is set to 100%, nothing is muted
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3610 [22:04:20] <defanor> have set system sounds to 100
3611 [22:04:31] <defanor> checking output devices
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3613 [22:04:40] <defanor> muted
3614 [22:04:45] <teraflops> defanor: are you playing audio right now?
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3616 [22:04:58] <defanor> no, i'm pausing it because of lags. will try now
3617 [22:05:13] <defanor> ouch, too loud. but it works now, yay \o/
3618 [22:05:16] <defanor> thanks
3619 [22:05:20] <teraflops> heh
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3621 [22:05:22] <teraflops> np
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3623 [22:05:41] <defanor> iirc there also was some small utility for mic testing. how's it called?
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3626 [22:06:56] <teraflops> mic? no idea
3627 [22:07:09] <teraflops> defanor: just use pavucontrol
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3629 [22:07:31] <teraflops> go to recording tab, raise the volume and blow to the mic
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3631 [22:08:17] <defanor> yeah, works
3632 [22:08:22] <teraflops> heh
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3645 [22:13:48] <smw> Hi all. I have a postinst script that will be in many deb packages and I would prefer (for purely efficiency reasons) was only run once even if you are updating/installing multiple packages with the script. Is that possible?
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3648 [22:14:35] <greycat> You would have to store some information in a file somewhere saying "This has already happened, move on". Then your scripts would look for that info and exit 0 if they find it.
3649 [22:15:00] <greycat> And if they don't find it, then write it there after they do their job.
3650 [22:15:01] <sikun> had a tech take a set of 4 SATA drives from one NAS appliance and move them into an identical appliance but.. the appliance itself instead of mounting the previous LVM Volume, created a new LVM Volume.. the LVM shows 0% utilization while mdadm shows roughly 40% usage, is there any way of recovering any data from this array?
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3653 [22:15:25] <smw> greycat, the issue is that it needs to happen each transaction (each run of apt-get).
3654 [22:15:48] <sikun> I'm using a Debian system to try and recover data.
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3657 [22:16:30] <greycat> smw: ... you've lost me.
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3659 [22:17:06] <smw> greycat, how would I write in a way where the next apt-get installing or updating the package also runs the postinst?
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3661 [22:17:19] <kro_> hi LtL
3662 [22:17:34] <greycat> smw: I don't know what you are talking about, but apparently you are NOT talking about the postinst script of a package.
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3664 [22:17:58] <Netek> hi all, I have a VPS running Debian Jessie. It is currently a LAMP setup running PHP5. I am hoping to upgrade to PHP7 as my other VPS runs Ubuntu 16.04 which has PHP7 as default, would this be possible or would it be easier to backup the site and reinstall the VPS with Ubuntu 16.04?
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3666 [22:18:02] <LtL> kro_: hey
3667 [22:18:08] <kro_> :))
3668 [22:18:19] <kro_> how are u friend ?
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3671 [22:18:55] <missmbob> Netek: debian stable will not get php7
3672 [22:19:01] <smw> greycat, let me step back. I am packaging a program with modules. There is a way to have the main program look for and index all modules. I need for it to do that each time new modules are installed. But, I would prefer it only happened once per install of N modules.
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3674 [22:19:28] <Netek> missmbob I guess it would be better to reinstall with Ubuntu 16.04 then if I really want to use PHP7
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3676 [22:19:46] <greycat> smw: So this THING you want to do is only relevant to YOUR PACKAGES which you are CREATING, right? Not to every run of apt-get for OTHER PEOPLE'S packages?
3677 [22:19:48] <missmbob> Netek: if you really want/need, probably use ubuntu
3678 [22:19:54] <Netek> ok thank you
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3680 [22:20:01] <smw> greycat, correct, sorry
3681 [22:20:12] <Kobaz> hey, having an issue with an apt-get: replaced-url
3682 [22:20:18] <smw> greycat, I want it to run only once per apt-get where at least one of my packages is installed.
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3684 [22:20:26] <greycat> smw: Then keep track of how many times YOUR postinst script(s) have been invoked in a file. When that counter reaches N, do magic shit and reset the counter to 0.
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3686 [22:21:04] <smw> greycat, I am just going to give up... thanks anyways for your help.
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3688 [22:21:08] <greycat> smw: All you can count are the number of YOUR PACKAGES installed, NOT the number of times the user invoked apt-get while doing so.
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3690 [22:21:26] <smw> greycat, good to know, thanks
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3692 [22:21:39] <greycat> You don't know whether the user invoked apt-get 1 time per pkg, or 1 time for ALL pkgs in one giant batch.
3693 [22:21:58] <greycat> I don't know why you would even CARE.
3694 [22:22:03] <pseudonymous> replaced-url
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3696 [22:23:04] <smw> greycat, the only reason to care is that apt first unpacks and then runs scripts. It will run the script (which is relatively expensive) for each package when it would only need to run once.
3697 [22:23:15] <greycat> I told you how to work around that.
3698 [22:23:15] <smw> greycat, anyways, this doesn't look possible so thanks anyways :-)
3699 [22:23:28] <greycat> Though I guess that actually doesn't solve the whole problem.
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3701 [22:23:38] <greycat> You need one run of the script when the user STOPS typing apt-get.
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3703 [22:23:43] <greycat> And there's no way to trigger on that.
3704 [22:26:11] <smw> greycat, not the end of the world, just needlessly expensive. Thanks :-)
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3710 [22:28:26] <grim210> anyone able to get the DVD-4.jigdo file to work in the debian archive? link: _replaced-url
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3725 [22:35:29] <OrbsTheorem> I'm trying to setup a nat. ip_forward is set to 1 and on the nat postrouting table I have masquarade all with output on the right interface
3726 [22:35:33] <OrbsTheorem> what am I missing?
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3740 [22:40:27] <jhutchins> In apache 2.2, I can have multiple <VirtualHost *:80></VirtualHost> stanzas. When I try that for https, I get " [warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 443, the first has precedence"
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3745 [22:42:24] <`Kevin> jhutchins: you are missing NameVirtualHost *:443 somewhere likely(if thats what you want todo) but then again that is a non-common https/ssl/tls setup
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3748 [22:43:14] <jhutchins> `Kevin: Yep, that was it.
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3851 [23:32:06] <cimbakahn> Hello Everyone!
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3853 [23:32:21] <cimbakahn> Say that i want to install slingscold from this PPA ppa:noobslab/apps ......
3854 [23:32:21] <cimbakahn> This is one of those PPAs that have alot of packages in it (239). It is not just a repository for 1 item. Now, playonlinux is in there. I already have playonlinux installed. Is it going to cause problems with the one i already have installed?
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3857 [23:32:58] <missmbob> cimbakahn: we dont support ubuntu ppa's here. ask them
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3860 [23:33:15] <cimbakahn> Ok.
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3899 [23:54:50] <awal1> So I think I do know, relatively well, what su & sudo does/means, and I don't use sudo but I would like to understand why debian doesn't use sudo by default and doesn't recommend it as many other gnu/linux OSs does. I mean why the debian official choice of using su as default and not sudo?
3900 [23:55:02] <Kobaz> hey, having an issue with an apt-get: replaced-url
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3903 [23:55:32] <missmbob> awal1: the installer will use sudo if you put blank passwords in for root. fyi. so it's just up to the admin.
3904 [23:55:55] <awal1> During install, debian is like warning/not recommending the use of sudo when no activating/creating root account
3905 [23:56:04] <awal1> missbob, ^
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3907 [23:56:33] <awal1> missbob, yeah , I know that
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3909 [23:57:25] <ohlolz> freenode's webchat has this gorgeous font - using chromium. it looks like monospace but a bit thicker. which one is?
3910 [23:57:26] <awal1> does debian asume that the end user is advanced and knows what he does with his system or what?
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3912 [23:58:44] <awal1> asking about that bcoz I deduced that ubuntu and almost all gnu/linux using by defaut sudo argument it's use bcoz of security level/newbie users
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