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1 [00:00:33] <missmbob> ferry: you know you also need to install linux-hearders for the kernel to build drivers, right? apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` if you're in the new kernel
2 [00:02:13] <ferry> missmbob: That doesn't work either as it says linux-headers has no installation candidate.. I'll try to figure that out
3 [00:02:39] <oupala> zykotick9: I know that not everything gets into backport
4 [00:02:45] <oupala> but it's already there
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7 [00:03:05] <oupala> there a new release in sid, I just wonder when it will come into backports
8 [00:03:06] <missmbob> ferry: it's not called linux-headers. it's linux-headers-`uname -r` (uname -r adds the proper version to the end of the name)
9 [00:03:32] <oupala> I need ansible 2.1.1 : replaced-url
10 [00:04:01] <missmbob> ferry: you have to do that command in the new kernel. otherwise it'll spit out the old kernel version
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21 [00:07:14] <Olivier__> hello, I have a little problem with the installation of Debian
22 [00:07:28] <Olivier__> I don't have graphics
23 [00:07:49] <Olivier__> can you help me please?
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28 [00:09:39] <Olivier__> anyone can help me?
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35 [00:11:07] <Wally> GRAPHICS LESS
36 [00:11:26] <Olivier__> yes
37 [00:11:33] <ferry> missmbob: It says Couldn't find any package by regex ´linux-headers-4.4.16´ .. :S
38 [00:11:36] <Olivier__> I only have the command line
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40 [00:11:44] <Wally> did you install any wm?
41 [00:11:58] <Olivier__> no
42 [00:12:19] <missmbob> ferry: you're using jessie with backports, right? or testing?
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44 [00:12:50] <Olivier__> wally : can you help me to install a vm please?
45 [00:13:01] <Wally> so you didn't install xfce or anything?
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47 [00:13:08] <Olivier__> no
48 [00:13:32] <Olivier__> can you help me please?
49 [00:13:41] <Wally> .
50 [00:13:51] <Wally> sudo apt-get install xfce or something
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52 [00:14:05] <ferry> missmbob: I downloaded the kernel (4.4.16) from kernel.org, I have jessie-backports main in sources.list though ;s
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54 [00:14:34] <Olivier__> xfce is not found
55 [00:14:37] <Olivier__> I have this
56 [00:14:49] <Olivier__> in French because the language of my pc is french
57 [00:14:54] <missmbob> ferry: if you're going to fuck with upstream kernel debian kernels/headers won't work. of course apt-get can't find the header. it's not in debian.
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60 [00:15:44] <missmbob> ferry: if you want to get the kernel from jessie-backports the header is called linux-headers-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-all-amd64 and get the main kernel image linux-image-amd64 (both from jessie-backports)
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62 [00:15:53] <`Kevin> Olivier__: replaced-url
63 [00:16:38] <ferry> missmbob: Right, I'll switch my kernel to 4.6 now
64 [00:16:49] <ferry> missmbob: Thanks ;p I'll see how that works out
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66 [00:17:11] <Olivier__> I can't install xfce
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68 [00:17:23] <`Kevin> RTFM? look at the link
69 [00:17:30] <Olivier__> I have : the package can't found
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71 [00:17:59] <`Kevin> you are missing a character in your apt-get install command
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73 [00:18:02] <TomTomTosch> Olivier__: task-xfce-desktop installs everything.
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76 [00:18:29] <doublehp> i have put this in crontab: <<3-59/10 * * * * root /bin/upsc mgeups_a@leon | /bin/grep "Error: Data stale" && /sbin/reboot>> ; I have just received an email containing the string; but mahcine did not reboot; if message came out of grep, how could reboot command fail ?
77 [00:18:37] <Olivier__> command can't found
78 [00:18:53] <TomTomTosch> Olivier__: apt-get install task-xfce-desktop
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81 [00:19:09] <ferry> I think I should find out what kernel headers are for.. I feel so dumb right now.
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83 [00:19:17] <ferry> time to google <_<
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89 [00:23:22] <ferry> Could anyone here recommend a good video series regarding Linux? I'd be happy to learn more about this stuff since my knowledge is very limited
90 [00:23:27] <ferry> at this moment
91 [00:23:39] <ferry> ;s
92 [00:23:50] <Wally> better off reading books and material off the internet
93 [00:24:00] <Wally> you want to learn to script?
94 [00:24:36] <ferry> I'd like to learn the basics first, how to upgrade and deal with kernels headers etc
95 [00:24:58] <ferry> there's so much I don't know about since I haven't used any linux distro for years
96 [00:25:01] <Wally> learning to script will give you that stuff.
97 [00:25:22] <ferry> I guess I should look into learning scripting then.
98 [00:25:36] <TomTomTosch> learning to script has exactly nothing to do with that stuff...
99 [00:25:36] <awal1> Olivier__, task-xfe-desktop, or just xfce4, not xfce
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103 [00:26:42] <awal1> xfce4 + xfce4-goodies . goodies makes xfce4 more usable
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106 [00:27:28] <|aaron> anyone here understand systemd unit dependencies and whatnot pretty well? i have a really weird problem creator by this mellanox driver installer. it makes a service for itself which creates a circular dependency with networking.service and basic.target so that networking.service fails to start at boot. although i can start it manually just fine immediately after.
107 [00:27:41] <|aaron> /s/creator/created
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114 [00:33:12] <Olivier__> okay
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118 [00:36:01] <ferry> How do I install this through backports? replaced-url
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120 [00:36:40] <missmbob> ferry: replaced-url
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122 [00:37:14] <ferry> I have the sources.list correctly and I've tried installing it with apt-get -t jessie-backports install command
123 [00:37:34] <ferry> I tried typing the whole package name and also with just firmware-amd-graphics but it says unable to locate package
124 [00:37:45] <ferry> The kernel upgrade and headers went through just fine,.
125 [00:38:22] <TomTomTosch> you ran apt-get update after you changed your sources?
126 [00:38:30] <Olivier__> hello when I tried to install KDE or gnome, I have this message : this package can't be found
127 [00:38:38] <ferry> Yeah, I also tried aptitude update but I think it does the same thing.
128 [00:38:49] <TomTomTosch> Olivier__ task-kde-desktop task-gnome-desktop
129 [00:39:12] <Olivier__> in su -?
130 [00:39:19] <ferry> I don't know what's up with that specific package as the kernels came through fine
131 [00:39:43] <TomTomTosch> Olivier__: those are package names. you install them using apt-get install task-kde-desktop as root.
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134 [00:40:17] <TomTomTosch> ferry, that package is in non-free. you have to add that to your sources, not only main.
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136 [00:40:53] <ferry> TomTomTosch: Thank you a lot ;p I'll try that
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139 [00:41:58] <Olivier__> it's not work
140 [00:42:18] <TomTomTosch> Olivier__ full command and output to paste.debian.net please.
141 [00:42:40] <Olivier__> sorry but my computer is in French
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143 [00:42:55] <TomTomTosch> doesn't matter.
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150 [00:44:44] <Olivier__> Sorry but my computer is in French
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152 [00:45:09] <TomTomTosch> that's okay. > paste.debian.net full command and output please.
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154 [00:45:40] <Olivier__> the command is apt-get and...
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156 [00:46:38] <TomTomTosch> don't paraphrase it, paste it.
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159 [00:47:34] <Olivier__> yes but I don't remember the xomm4
160 [00:47:37] <doublehp> Olivier__: enfin, il n'est pas exclu que TomTomTosch sache lire le francais; alors, ne discute pas, et fais ce qu'il te demande
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164 [00:48:14] <OBLOMOV88> YOU HEARD THAT OLIVIER. DO IT
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166 [00:48:30] <Olivier__> doublehp: Désolé :(
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168 [00:49:00] <doublehp> Olivier__: no paste ... no help.
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170 [00:49:15] <OBLOMOV88> replaced-url
171 [00:49:29] <Olivier__> doublehp : je suis entrain de le faire in instant
172 [00:49:31] <Olivier__> un
173 [00:49:48] <missmbob> please keep it english or
174 [00:49:50] <missmbob> !fr
175 [00:49:50] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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177 [00:52:05] <Olivier__> doublehp : c'est un peu difficile de faire un paste car mon pc est en mode console et je ne peux pas copier coller le terminal
178 [00:52:18] <Olivier__> et que je suis sur mon portable
179 [00:52:27] <TomTomTosch> !pastebinit
180 [00:52:28] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
181 [00:52:29] <doublehp> please, tell him about console paste; forgot the name
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183 [00:52:49] <doublehp> Olivier__: aptitude install pastebinit
184 [00:52:51] <Olivier__> le paquet KDE est introuvable
185 [00:53:04] <Olivier__> en root?
186 [00:53:08] <doublehp> yes
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188 [00:53:29] <Olivier__> aptitude commande introuvable
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190 [00:53:44] <doublehp> Olivier__: apt-get install pastebinit
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192 [00:54:30] <Olivier__> impossible de trouver le paquet pastebinit
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196 [00:54:57] <Olivier__> c'est ça que j'ai
197 [00:55:27] <doublehp> Olivier__: I can chat in GUI with Pidgin, and in console with irssi ... simultaneously. Copy paste is possible very fast after install, by just selecting and pasting with right click, works between two consoles, with package GPM
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199 [00:56:18] <Olivier__> je n'ai pas de graphique je suis en mode console
200 [00:56:29] <Olivier__> et je ne peux pas faire ça
201 [00:56:30] <TomTomTosch> i just guess he doesn't have a gui and probably no internet connection.
202 [00:56:43] <TomTomTosch> or broken sources.
203 [00:56:51] <Olivier__> j'ai une connexion internet
204 [00:57:00] <doublehp> Olivier__: aptitude command not found; and apt-get says pastebinit does not exists
205 [00:57:19] <doublehp> Olivier__: is it a download error, or, package unavailable in your distro ?
206 [00:57:27] <doublehp> Olivier__: ping google.fr
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208 [00:57:31] <Olivier__> alors il faut que je refasse l'installation?
209 [00:57:37] <doublehp> Olivier__: no
210 [00:57:46] <doublehp> Olivier__: any error is fixable
211 [00:57:53] <Olivier__> ok
212 [00:58:06] <doublehp> Olivier__: can you ping google.fr ?
213 [00:58:30] <Olivier__> unknown host google.fr
214 [00:59:02] <doublehp> ifconfig -a
215 [00:59:20] <doublehp> tell us if you see eth0 somewhere, or eth1 or wlan0
216 [00:59:27] <Olivier__> commande introuvable
217 [00:59:32] <doublehp> do you have ethernet or wifi ?
218 [00:59:39] <Olivier__> oui
219 [00:59:45] <doublehp> ifconfig gives you command not found ????
220 [00:59:48] <missmbob> that's because you have to use the full path, btw. /sbin/ifconfig
221 [00:59:53] <Olivier__> mais je pense qu'il y a eu un problème avec l'installation
222 [00:59:54] <missmbob> or be root
223 [01:00:03] <Olivier__> je me suis pas sûr
224 [01:00:08] <TomTomTosch> this is fun...
225 [01:00:10] <doublehp> Olivier__: id
226 [01:00:13] <missmbob> not even close
227 [01:00:16] <doublehp> give us only the first number
228 [01:00:17] <Olivier__> I'm in root
229 [01:00:39] <missmbob> i still don't see why french help can't be in the french channel or wtf is going on
230 [01:01:02] <Olivier__> Sorry, I found any French help
231 [01:01:09] <mtn> rules, who needs rules?
232 [01:01:10] <Olivier__> I don't found any
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234 [01:01:30] <doublehp> Olivier__: id .... give me the first number only
235 [01:01:42] <Olivier__> ?
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237 [01:01:55] <Olivier__> je ne comprends pas ce que je dois faire
238 [01:02:03] <doublehp> Olivier__: id -u
239 [01:02:11] <Olivier__> 0
240 [01:02:20] <doublehp> ls -l /sbin/ifconfig
241 [01:02:24] <Fr_Dae> Olivier__ regarde tes MP
242 [01:02:33] <awal1> Olivier__, here is english channel. For french ---» #debian-fr. But (tu peux mettre LANG=C avant chaque commande; ainsi les données de sortie (résultat) seraa en fran+ais)
243 [01:02:36] <doublehp> I bet he is in busybox
244 [01:02:56] <awal1> français ^
245 [01:03:10] <doublehp> awal1: export ... or thereis an other command to affect the whole console, without changing the system
246 [01:03:22] <doublehp> LANG=C /bin/bash
247 [01:03:23] <missmbob> #debianfr actually
248 [01:03:29] <missmbob> no dash. and he's been told.
249 [01:03:51] <doublehp> ls -l /sbin/ifconfig
250 [01:03:53] <awal1> doublehp, right
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255 [01:04:28] <awal1> Olivier__, I guess you have done a very minimal installation , without the "standard system utilities" ?
256 [01:04:31] <doublehp> Olivier__: LANG=C /bin/bash
257 [01:04:58] <doublehp> Olivier__: this will make all your messages in english, without changing the language for the rest of the system: after reboot, you will be in french
258 [01:05:02] <Olivier__> je n'ai rien avec cette commande
259 [01:05:10] <doublehp> he is in busybox
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261 [01:05:28] <doublehp> Olivier__: help
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263 [01:05:47] <doublehp> Olivier__: at the beginning, you are looking for either bash, busybox, or ash words
264 [01:06:24] <doublehp> Olivier__: a standard system should give you bash ash or csh; but i bet you have busybox, which would be bad ...
265 [01:06:53] <ferry> Alright, some progress. Now the only error I get is screens found but none have a usable configuration
266 [01:07:16] <ferry> Xorg log says so.. still no gui :/
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268 [01:08:02] <ferry> startkde & : $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server. Welp.
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272 [01:11:35] <Olivier__> okay
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276 [01:13:13] <awal1> Olivier__, you still in troubles? :D
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282 [01:14:33] <doublehp> awal1: he has probably gone in private with someone, or in the french debian; but without aptitude and ifconfig, he is probably right in saying he failed install.
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284 [01:15:48] <awal1> doublehp, we don't know how he have done his installation, so...
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287 [01:16:38] <Olivier__> doublehp I'm in private with a French person
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289 [01:16:51] <recstecs> on my system the route cost are different for wireless and wired connections. can i change that default?
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292 [01:17:41] <recstecs> wireless metric 600 and wired metric 100
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294 [01:18:00] <recstecs> i would like the wirless connection to be chosen by default so increade the metrics
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318 [01:32:33] <wo00rm> What is the best way to upgrade from Jessie to sid? Should I upgrade from Jessie to testing to Sid or directly to sid?
319 [01:32:47] <wo00rm> Is an upgrade safe or should I perform fresh install?
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321 [01:33:37] <mtn> wo00rm: you can't install sid directly, an upgrade is required. read the wiki ;)
322 [01:33:59] <wo00rm> There are no "unstable" full CD or DVD images. Due to the fact that the packages in "unstable" change so quickly, it is more appropriate for people to download and install "unstable" using a normal Debian FTP mirror.
323 [01:34:09] <wo00rm> replaced-url
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325 [01:34:23] <wo00rm> replaced-url
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328 [01:35:34] <jhutchins> wo00rm: You might want to consider whether you actually want a usable system.
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333 [01:36:29] <awal1> wo00rm, resuming for you: the recommnded way for run unstable (sid) is: do a minimal install (no desktop environment) of stable (jessie, now), dist-upgrade to testing (stretch, now) then again dist-upgrade ti unstable (sid), and install whatever you want. end of the story :P
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340 [01:38:32] <wo00rm> awal1, Any complications with having a non base system?
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342 [01:38:59] <missmbob> wo00rm: probably. that's why what he said was the "recommended way"
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348 [01:40:42] <awal1> wo00rm, hundreds of libs/pkgs will be upgraded, you may get a broken system...
349 [01:41:13] <jhutchins> awal1: He's installing sid, a broken system is the expected outcome eventually.
350 [01:41:27] <awal1> jhutchins, right
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352 [01:41:46] <awal1> but srsly, sid is not so crazy
353 [01:42:07] <missmbob> eh. i think if you have to ask how to get sid you probably shouldn't use it
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355 [01:42:37] <awal1> I have a sid machine since 2 years now (xfce+ a few other WM's) and all the time my system runs smoothly
356 [01:43:58] <awal1> sid is more crazy if with kde/cinnamon/gnome
357 [01:45:47] <awal1> I have a sond machine running jessie. I confess, I won't run sid if I have only 1 machine
358 [01:45:53] <awal1> second ^
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361 [01:47:05] <baraba> i once switched from testing to sid, with a full blown system installed previously
362 [01:47:20] <baraba> it went pretty smoothly
363 [01:47:34] <missmbob> yes. things happen. congrats
364 [01:47:42] <baraba> been happy with sid ever since
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367 [01:49:33] <pencilandpaper> After seeing it brought up, goes to check on sid. :)
368 [01:49:35] <pencilandpaper> Brb.
369 [01:49:45] <baraba> who pissed in your coffee this morning, missmbob
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372 [01:55:43] <ferry> Idk what happened but I'm so happy atm.. I installed Xorg intel drivers from jessie backports and my gui works again.. No amd drivers at all whaat ;o
373 [01:56:18] <ferry> Now it's running on integrated but at least it works
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376 [01:58:24] <Wally> Probably the wrong place to ask, I am looking to research other linux distros.. What would be a good one that's not based on debian to try?
377 [01:58:35] <Wally> I'm pretty sure the answer will be arch.. but yeah
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379 [01:59:31] <missmbob> Wally: go to distrowatch.com
380 [02:00:17] <Wally> Handy to know thanks!
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393 [02:09:42] <DexterF> zykotick9: interesting. did not know that.
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402 [02:16:10] <zykotick9> DexterF: there was a talk at a debconf about replaced-url
403 [02:16:24] <Rubin> did arduino change their license or something? howcome nobody seems to have 1.6 in their repositories?
404 [02:17:03] <missmbob> Rubin: probably because you're not running debian?
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406 [02:17:09] <missmbob> ,v arduino
407 [02:17:10] <judd> Package: arduino on amd64 -- squeeze: 0018+dfsg-6; wheezy: 1:1.0.1+dfsg-7; sid: 2:1.0.5+dfsg2-4; jessie: 2:1.0.5+dfsg2-4; stretch: 2:1.0.5+dfsg2-4; experimental: 2:1.5.6.2+sdfsg2-3
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409 [02:17:19] <missmbob> yep, every debian release has it
410 [02:17:22] <ferry> What should I use to take full backups of my debian?
411 [02:17:23] <Rubin> 1.0.5 vs 1.6.10 on their site (as a binary tar)
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414 [02:17:44] <Rubin> im wondering if theres a reason it stopped getting updated, or if its just nobody got 'round to it yet
415 [02:17:48] <Rubin> (ie licence problem)
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417 [02:18:41] <missmbob> Rubin: stable never gets updated unless there's a huge stability bug or security problem
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419 [02:18:54] <missmbob> Rubin: experimental, for example, has 1.5.6.
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422 [02:19:16] <Rubin> wonder how old that is
423 [02:19:32] <missmbob> Rubin: if you want bleeding edge debian isn't for you. it's not the goal
424 [02:19:34] <Rubin> can you tell from that who is the maintainer?
425 [02:19:45] <Rubin> i understand how debian works, thanks missmbob.
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428 [02:20:28] <missmbob> Rubin: but you don't know how to find out the maintainer? replaced-url
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430 [02:20:57] <Rubin> oh. thanks i never looked over there
431 [02:21:00] <TomTomTosch> #780706
432 [02:21:02] <judd> Bug replaced-url
433 [02:21:11] <TomTomTosch> ^ this should answer your question.
434 [02:21:31] <awal1> aptitude show pkgname also tells who's the maintainer/dev.
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437 [02:22:07] <TomTomTosch> "However, we need updated licensing info from arduino"
438 [02:22:20] <Rubin> yeah i wonder what thats about
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440 [02:23:24] <Rubin> 2) The license only grants GPL-2 and LGPL-2.1 licenses without the "or later version" statement, which will create legal conflicts with libraries and other code in Arduino which are GPL-3 or LGPL-3.
441 [02:23:38] <Rubin> ruh-roh
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472 [02:45:41] <Elronnd> I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but I'm trying to dual-boot Windows and Debian (I'm currently on Debian)
473 [02:45:56] <Elronnd> I wrote the image to the disk, and if I mount it here (on Debian), it looks like an OS-installer
474 [02:46:01] <Elronnd> but I'm unable to boot it
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483 [02:53:16] <Wally> any reason why you'd need debian native?
484 [02:53:21] <Wally> and can't run it in a VM?
485 [02:53:37] <Wally> oh you mean you run Debian by default?
486 [02:53:41] <Elronnd> yes
487 [02:53:47] <Elronnd> I was writing the Windows image to the disk
488 [02:53:53] <Wally> Ahh
489 [02:54:01] <Wally> Maybe it is an OS installer then ;)
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492 [02:54:27] <Elronnd> What's an OS installer?
493 [02:54:31] <Elronnd> a program that installs an OS?
494 [02:54:38] <Wally> yes
495 [02:54:40] <Elronnd> it doesn't look like it
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499 [02:55:10] <Elronnd> I see "efi/", "boot/", "bootmgr.efi" and other boot-y stuff
500 [02:55:12] <Elronnd> when I mount it
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539 [03:19:21] <vortek__> hello
540 [03:20:25] <lolcat> vortek__, hello
541 [03:20:28] <lolcat> need support?
542 [03:20:58] <vortek__> i need to chabge my current crpto
543 [03:21:01] <vortek__> brb
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545 [03:21:16] <lolcat> vortek__, cabage y0our crypto?
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548 [03:21:42] <TomTomTosch> charge his crypto?
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550 [03:21:59] <lolcat> fucking asshat
551 [03:22:07] <lolcat> TomTomTosch, may I help you?
552 [03:22:08] <missmbob> refine his kryptonite
553 [03:22:41] <debidi> crpto
554 [03:23:11] <missmbob> debidi: thanks. cleared it right up
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557 [03:24:59] <TomTomTosch> hmpf. this looks bad > replaced-url
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560 [03:26:13] <missmbob> TomTomTosch: what? "unimportant issues"?
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565 [03:27:52] <TomTomTosch> i was looking at CVE-2006-6893, but now i'm pretty sure that's just bogus.
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574 [03:30:57] <missmbob> having been in the us navy i can tell you from experience...they have top notch programmers
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582 [03:33:11] <TomTomTosch> heh, can't deny that.
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616 [04:02:51] <t4nk359> Hey everyone, I'm trying to follow this replaced-url
617 [04:03:00] <t4nk359> but at the part where you enter udo dpkg -i linux-headers-4.1.6.deb linux-image-4.1.6.deb
618 [04:03:28] <t4nk359> dpkg: error: cannot access archive 'linux-headers-4.1.6.deb': No such file or directory
619 [04:03:29] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, t4nk359
620 [04:03:33] <t4nk359> is what I get
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623 [04:03:57] <t4nk359> what's going on?
624 [04:04:01] <bazhang> t4nk359, install based on a reddit post?
625 [04:04:21] <t4nk359> well it's a weird laptop
626 [04:04:32] <bazhang> t4nk359, and a non standard kernel as well?
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629 [04:04:56] <t4nk359> I mean there's a reason right?
630 [04:05:08] <t4nk359> the firmware?
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632 [04:05:24] <bazhang> yeah reddit is usualy not the go to place for debian installs
633 [04:05:47] <t4nk359> gotcha
634 [04:05:57] <r6ku> t4nk359: replaced-url
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647 [04:14:03] <jim> debian installs aren't a secret; reddit people could know something... having said that, they aren't the people who created the installer... maybe some of them tested it (who knows)
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649 [04:15:03] <bazhang> the debian wiki should always be the *first* port of call
650 [04:15:21] <bazhang> reddit recommends a new glibc to fix wifi
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656 [04:17:20] <Wally> Debian ships with 3.1.6 IIRC
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691 [04:41:12] <Ryuske> Is there a difference between /etc/init.d/<service> [operation] and service <service> [operation]?
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694 [04:42:22] <Wally> One uses init.d the other uses system.d IIRC
695 [04:42:54] <Ryuske> Does that in practice make a difference? I mean would the end result ever be different?
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699 [04:43:53] <debidi> Ryuske: 'service' just invoked the init.d/ script
700 [04:43:57] <debidi> invokes*
701 [04:44:09] <Ryuske> debidi ah, okay. Thanks!
702 [04:44:18] <ExWindower> Hi fellas :)
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708 [04:48:49] <ExWindower> Context: New OVH server, just installed Debian 8.4, tried to Change the default SSH port from 22 with the command 'sudo nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config' then Modified the following lines in sshd_config:
709 [04:48:49] <ExWindower> Port <10001-65535>
710 [04:48:49] <ExWindower> PermitRootLogin no
711 [04:48:49] <ExWindower> X11Forwarding no
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717 [04:50:42] <ExWindower> Basically can't SSH into the server after editing port in SSH config..any help is appreciated
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719 [04:51:06] <Wally> ssh ip -p port number?
720 [04:51:28] <ExWindower> Wally, ty for taking on my question
721 [04:51:28] <Wally> if you are sshing from outside have you forwarded that port?
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723 [04:51:48] <Wally> np lol
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726 [04:52:56] <ExWindower> Wally, I'm new to linux. Spoiled by win GUI! I followed a guide to incrase SSH security, ended up replacing port '22' with a range 10001-65000
727 [04:53:19] <Wally> cool
728 [04:53:23] <ExWindower> now I can't puTTy into the server, gets a netword error
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731 [04:53:44] <ExWindower> network
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733 [04:54:12] <ExWindower> any tips?
734 [04:54:23] <Wally> Wait are you SSHing from Windows?
735 [04:54:28] <ExWindower> yep
736 [04:54:30] <Wally> fun
737 [04:54:36] <ExWindower> i know
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740 [04:56:10] <ExWindower> got myself a remote server and installed debian 8.4 on it
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743 [04:58:28] <ExWindower> I've a private and public key generated with puTTygen. I was SSHing fine with port 22 before..
744 [04:59:26] <Wally> The port you have select is probably not open for ssh
745 [04:59:49] <ExWindower> I see...so keep trying ports in that range one by one?
746 [05:00:00] <Wally> I use a port within the 100's
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748 [05:00:10] <Wally> Changing it is enough to thwart random attacks
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751 [05:00:37] <ExWindower> I hear ya.
752 [05:00:41] <Wally> I reckon you need to change the port at your host end. Blocking firewalls
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755 [05:01:05] <ExWindower> this is a dedicated/unmanaged machine..barebones
756 [05:01:23] <ExWindower> OVH
757 [05:01:55] <Wally> Catching on now? :P
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759 [05:02:12] <ExWindower> haa :)
760 [05:02:53] <ExWindower> I installed the Original Kernel without GUI
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765 [05:03:51] <ExWindower> followed this guide (replaced-url
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768 [05:05:38] <ExWindower> Under 'sshd_config' Port 10001-65535,PermitRootLogin no,X11Forwarding no
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772 [05:06:19] <ExWindower> ..and here I am...beer couldn't fix the problemo :)
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777 [05:07:37] <cra1g321> that seems rather stupid for it to suggest a port range
778 [05:07:57] <ExWindower> cra1g321, welcome to my nightmare!
779 [05:08:02] <cra1g321> or is it more saying to use a port within those two numbers
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782 [05:08:24] <ExWindower> I believe it's the range..
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785 [05:08:49] <cra1g321> i would disagree
786 [05:09:07] <cra1g321> is that how you changed the line to be ?
787 [05:09:07] <ExWindower> cra1g321, you mean it's either of those numbres?
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791 [05:09:40] <cra1g321> i mean saying it should be "port 2202" for example, not "port 2202-2303"
792 [05:09:47] <ExWindower> I edited out 'port 22' to say 'port 10001-65535'
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794 [05:10:20] <ExWindower> well, I followed the guide like a chump :(
795 [05:10:45] <ExWindower> go ahead and throw some salt on my wounds :)
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799 [05:11:33] <cra1g321> not throwing salt, just gave you the answer to your issue
800 [05:11:35] <ExWindower> Now puTTy gives me 'networ error: connection timed out'
801 [05:11:48] <cra1g321> i'm just near sure it can't be how you have it configured now
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803 [05:12:03] <ExWindower> cra1g321, I know :)
804 [05:12:08] <cra1g321> so you're going to have to see if OVH has console access to your server, and edit the config
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806 [05:12:15] <cra1g321> then restart the ssh service
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808 [05:13:02] <cra1g321> wish i had the money to get a ovh server
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810 [05:13:48] <ExWindower> cra1g321, I grabbed one of their servers because it was on sale!
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813 [05:14:54] <ExWindower> I don't see an option to restart SSH from the console...guess I've to create a ticket.
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815 [05:15:17] <cra1g321> you login via the console and do it yourself
816 [05:15:21] <ExWindower> So, for future reference, don't use the port range,right?
817 [05:15:39] <cra1g321> yes
818 [05:15:49] <cra1g321> specify one port number only
819 [05:16:20] <ExWindower> Gotcha. I'm logged into the console right now, let me look around for a reset option
820 [05:16:50] <cra1g321> it sounds like you have quite a bit to learn, i would of played around with a cheap vultr or digitalcoean instance, learnt how to do ssh, rtorrent, rutorrent, nginx / apache, then buy something expensive like a OVH server
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827 [05:19:29] <ExWindower> cra1g321, I agree...this's gonna be an expensive learning experience for me!
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836 [05:26:32] <dde> hola
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838 [05:26:59] <dde> aqui ponen ccs reales ??
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843 [05:30:30] <vahe> hi all how to create the bootable disk for installing debian is for uefi? dd
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849 [05:31:41] <vahe> how to create debian installer for UEFI debian.iso
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863 [05:45:53] <vahe> How to install the system if the BIOS UEFI?
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869 [05:50:43] <awal1> vahe, just use the debian cd iso amd64, the installer will do the the job for you (no matters if bios or uefi). amd 64 iso image have support for both
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871 [05:51:21] <awal1> i386 also, seems...
872 [05:53:00] <vahe> awal1: thanks,I want to reinstall ubuntu but the computer only works on uefi how to create a setup disk ? dd if=ubuntu.iso of=dev/sdX bs=4M && sync ?
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874 [05:53:05] <vahe> or debian
875 [05:53:25] <vahe> I tried on Debian did not work
876 [05:53:31] <vahe> debian 8.5
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880 [05:54:54] <awal1> dd /cp.
881 [05:55:34] <awal1> cp your-debian.iso /dev/yourmedium ; sunc
882 [05:55:38] <awal1> you are done
883 [05:55:49] <awal1> sync ^
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885 [05:56:03] <vahe> dd cp?
886 [05:56:16] <awal1> both does same job
887 [05:56:26] <awal1> cp (copy)
888 [05:56:39] <vahe> I do not understand DD not necessary?
889 [05:56:50] <awal1> use dd if you want
890 [05:57:09] <vahe> cp /home/debian.iso /dev/sdb : sync?
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893 [05:57:45] <vahe> then there is no need to open the ISO?
894 [05:57:46] <awal1> cp /home/debian.iso /dev/sdb ; sync
895 [05:57:53] <vahe> wow cool
896 [05:58:06] <awal1> ; not :
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898 [05:58:21] <vahe> awal1: thanks)))
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900 [05:59:32] <awal1> && = and/then
901 [06:00:04] <awal1> ; if first command was succecful then execute the second 1
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926 [06:10:11] <reev> Hi I want to run anacron via /etc/cron.d/anacron at midnight as
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928 [06:10:12] <reev> 00 00 * * * root test -x /etc/init.d/anacron && /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start >/dev/null
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930 [06:10:27] <reev> but last night it didn't run
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933 [06:10:44] <reev> initially it is meant to run at 7:30
934 [06:10:55] <reev> but i want to run it at midnight
935 [06:11:05] <Rusty1_> did you restart the cron daemon ?
936 [06:11:35] <reev> yeah after this i made some changes to /etc/crontab and restart cron daemon
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940 [06:13:33] <jmcnaught> reev: hello. anacron didn't get run by cron, or anacron didn't run a job that you expected?
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943 [06:14:50] <reev> jmcnaught hi like you told me yesterday I made anacron to run at midnight instead of 7:30
944 [06:15:05] <reev> since system is up all night
945 [06:15:13] <reev> it should run but
946 [06:15:17] <reev> id didn't
947 [06:15:24] <reev> *it
948 [06:15:30] <jmcnaught> anacron did not get run at midnight?
949 [06:15:45] <reev> yes
950 [06:16:45] <reev> anacron didn't ran the script
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952 [06:17:16] <jmcnaught> reev: does "journalctl -u anacron" say that anacron ran?
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956 [06:18:47] <reev> jmcnaught : one sec
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959 [06:20:11] <reev> jmcnaught :I have no journalctl
960 [06:20:29] <jmcnaught> reev: because you use sysvinit? or because you were not root?
961 [06:20:38] <reev> jmnaught yes sysvinit
962 [06:20:53] <reev> like i told yesterday
963 [06:21:09] <jmcnaught> sorry i don't try to remember all the details
964 [06:21:33] <reev> jmcnaught its okay how else i can verify the anacron
965 [06:21:45] <jmcnaught> anyways you're totally missing out on journalctl... grep your syslog
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973 [06:25:09] <sm00th> is journalctl better?
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975 [06:26:01] <jmcnaught> journalctl can do stuff like "journalctl /usr/bin/foo" to only show log messages from that binary, or "journalctl --since -2days" for the last two days worth, or "--boot -1 --lines 100" for the last 100 lines of the previous boot
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977 [06:26:53] <reev> jmcnaught: replaced-url
978 [06:26:55] <jmcnaught> it can also filter by user, service, cgroups etc
979 [06:27:33] <jmcnaught> reev: can i see the line for your script from /etc/anacrontab?
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981 [06:27:57] <reev> one sec
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983 [06:28:35] <reev> jmcnaught : 1 10 cron.daily /bin/bash /home/qwerty/midcron
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987 [06:29:22] <jmcnaught> reev: did you replace the "15cron.dailyrun-parts --report /etc/cron.daily" line?
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989 [06:30:12] <sm00th> interesting
990 [06:30:12] <reev> jmcnaught : No i didn't
991 [06:30:20] <jmcnaught> reev: anacrontab lines the third field/column is a job name, you don't want two cron.dailys, call your job something else
992 [06:31:48] <reev> jmcnaught :when the time stamp is 7:30 it was working fine just changing the time to midnight messed up whole thing
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995 [06:32:00] <reev> did you take a look at link i shared
996 [06:32:10] <jmcnaught> sm00th: journalctl and systemctl also have a '-M' (for machine) that can interact with containers and VMs. it works with systemd-nspawn, libvirt-lxc, libvirt
997 [06:32:25] <jmcnaught> reev: maybe you could show your complete anacrontab?
998 [06:32:30] <reev> jmcnaught : okay
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1000 [06:33:49] <reev> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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1004 [06:35:22] <jmcnaught> reev: so i would rename lines 13-15 to qwerty.shot, qwerty.dm etc, to make it more clear which jobs are running and when
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1007 [06:36:21] <jmcnaught> reev: your log samples in replaced-url
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1009 [06:39:02] <reev> line 11 is is just comment I didn;t changed the system time I waited whole might and today morning checked the results
1010 [06:39:17] <reev> no messing with system time
1011 [06:39:46] <reev> jmcnaught : so whats your say on this behaviour
1012 [06:40:03] <reev> I didn;t get "so i would rename lines 13-15 to qwerty.shot, qwerty.dm etc, to make it more clear which jobs are running and when" this
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1014 [06:40:13] <jmcnaught> reev: i've never really paid very close attention to anacron to be honest, but it does seem that it makes sure that its jobs get run sometime that day (for period 1), and relies on a cron daemon that calls it periodically
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1017 [06:41:35] <jmcnaught> reev: the third column, where you have "cron.daily" on multiple lines, is supposed to be an identifier for that job. so then in syslog you'd see anacron entries about "qwerty.shot" and know that this script was run at that time
1018 [06:42:37] <jmcnaught> reev: right now you have four different jobs all with the same name, so you get multiple anacron syslog entries about "cron.daily" instead of "cron.daily", "script1", "script beta" etc
1019 [06:43:18] <reev> jmcnaught :ookayyy
1020 [06:43:49] <jmcnaught> qwerty.shot etc was just a suggestion about naming scheme
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1023 [06:45:04] <jmcnaught> reev: anyways, on Debian there are multiple ways that anacron is called. there is an anacron-resume.service for example, that runs anacron when the computer resumes but not if it's on battery
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1025 [06:46:48] <jmcnaught> reev: so it seems to me that anacron just guarantees that a job with period 1 (for daily) gets run at least once per 24 hours, and on a typical Debian system that would have anacron installed (like a laptop) anacron is being called multiple times a day, once by the cron daemon, but also when the computer resumes
1026 [06:47:18] <reev> jmcnaught : yes
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1029 [06:47:54] <jmcnaught> reev: since anacron is just running everything in /etc/cron.daily you could just put your scripts in there, and not need anacrontab lines for them
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1032 [06:48:50] <reev> jmcnaught yes i can but what about the when it didn't run at midnight
1033 [06:49:08] <reev> I will put it in cron.daily
1034 [06:50:07] <reev> should i wait one more day and look what happened when i put my scipts in cron.daily?
1035 [06:50:16] <jmcnaught> reev: i've always used single digits for 0 and that's what's in crontab(5). I don't know if double 00 would cause a problem in a cron string
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1037 [06:51:06] <reev> jmcnaught : but these strings works fine in /etc/crontab
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1040 [06:52:08] <reev> jmcnaught replaced-url
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1043 [06:53:44] <jmcnaught> reev: what matters here is whether Debian's cron (which is forked from Vixie-Cron) is okay with leading zero. i think it is though
1044 [06:54:39] <jmcnaught> reev: what started anacron at 9:43 in your syslog page replaced-url
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1046 [06:56:25] <reev> jmcnaught: don't know this is what i am trying to figure out
1047 [06:57:38] <jmcnaught> reev: in /etc/cron.d/anacron you could use @midnight instead of '0 0 * * *'
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1049 [06:58:23] <reev> jmcnaught: okay I will change it
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1051 [06:59:33] <jmcnaught> reev: the files in /etc/cron.d/ are monitored for changes
1052 [07:00:27] <jmcnaught> the cron(8) man page does say that in general /etc/crontab should be used by sysadmins, not /etc/cron.d but /etc/cron.d/anacron is a conffile
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1056 [07:01:45] <reev> jmcnaught: yeah i have read that
1057 [07:02:05] <jmcnaught> reev: since you're on sysvinit maybe it's /etc/apm/event.d/anacron that ran anacron at 9:43?
1058 [07:03:02] <reev> jmcnaught: yeah might be
1059 [07:03:12] <reev> I didn't know about this
1060 [07:03:22] <jmcnaught> reev: did the computer get resumed around this time?
1061 [07:03:59] <reev> jmcnaught: this is a live server
1062 [07:04:22] <reev> jmcnaught: no never
1063 [07:04:33] <jmcnaught> reev: is the server always on?
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1066 [07:05:22] <reev> usually it is but on weekends it is off like on saturdays and sundays
1067 [07:06:10] <jmcnaught> reev: oh, so because it's off on weekends you use anacron?
1068 [07:06:23] <reev> yeah
1069 [07:06:47] <reev> soemtime when something went wrong we have to reboot it abruptly
1070 [07:06:57] <reev> on weekdays too
1071 [07:07:20] <jmcnaught> reev: so was the server rebooted around 9:43?
1072 [07:07:31] <reev> the script is basicallly is used for logging purposes
1073 [07:08:06] <reev> well uptime says other thing like 20days
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1076 [07:10:36] <wams23> channel debian in spanish ?
1077 [07:11:15] <Epakai> !es
1078 [07:11:15] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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1080 [07:13:21] <wams23> thanks dpkg
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1084 [07:17:38] <TomasCZ> Hi, any suggestions where to go, or what to try when attempts to get mobile broadband working with Sierra EM7305 are failing?
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1086 [07:18:42] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell TomasCZ -about cross post
1087 [07:19:33] <jmcnaught> TomasCZ: if you describe how you are trying to get it to work someone might have pointers on what is going wrong. you've verified that others have gotten this device to work?
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1093 [07:27:01] <TomasCZ> ok, so attempts to enable/power on the modem are failing. I've had more issues before with modem manager not even seeing the modem but after recent updates and more recent kernels it got more stable and it shown consistently. It always complain on radio state(guess rfkill) is to blame, however there is nothing blocked in rfkill.
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1095 [07:28:34] <TomasCZ> The ultrabook in question has no dedicated button to switch. Modem is usb connected. I can query it's status just fine, including sim card.
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1097 [07:30:47] <TomasCZ> What is showing often is: "No transaction matched received message" also timeout waiting for reply from modem to given command(such as mmcli -m 0 -e)
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1100 [07:32:39] <TomasCZ> jmcnaught, I wouldn;t be asking unless I'm playing with it for some months(with breaks of course)
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1104 [07:34:01] <jmcnaught> TomasCZ: i've never used modemmanager, but does it work sometimes? has anyone else gotten this modem to work?
1105 [07:34:02] <zxcv_> What are some common fixes to a .desktop file failing to change the directory when run?
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1110 [07:35:50] <TomasCZ> devices are created such as cdc-wdm0(mbim) and wwp0s***(net)
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1115 [07:37:22] <reev> jmcnaught now the system rebooted this happens cron[2336]: Error: bad username; while reading /etc/cron.d/anacron
1116 [07:37:32] <reev> I have changed to @midnight
1117 [07:37:50] <TomasCZ> jmcnaught, well only one place responded. so you tell me why waiting for days in chan with noone interested in the area?
1118 [07:38:25] <jmcnaught> reev: it's complaining about the username field, which is the column after the time string
1119 [07:38:53] <jmcnaught> reev: so is it '@midnight root test -x ...'?
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1121 [07:39:20] <reev> jmcnaught: ohh my bad, sorry
1122 [07:40:06] <TomasCZ> not this model of modem, I can get myself to some posts in fedora talking about a patch in kernel 3.xxx but for EM7355 myne is EM7305 and kernel is 4.3
1123 [07:40:09] <OS-14904> !pain
1124 [07:40:09] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, pain is just a different kind of feeling
1125 [07:40:34] <jmcnaught> TomasCZ: i mean did you find anything on the web about success with this modem?
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1129 [07:42:17] <TomasCZ> jmcnaught, ok, I guess if we talk about windows then yes.
1130 [07:42:34] <jmcnaught> TomasCZ: with electronics similar model numbers can have dramatically different hardware in them. maybe this modem is not supported?
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1132 [07:43:56] <TomasCZ> but cdc_mbim is the driver apparently for it.
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1134 [07:45:14] <TomasCZ> That loads just fine no tinkering was needed.
1135 [07:45:59] <TomasCZ> Ok, a question, how can I find more about module than modinfo?
1136 [07:46:39] <jmcnaught> TomasCZ: replaced-url
1137 [07:47:05] <TomasCZ> I found that there is sierra and sierra_net available but not used(only cdc_* ones) I'd like to know why.... Thanks will look there.
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1381 [11:17:24] <MaBunny> can we add qbittorrent to debian packages?
1382 [11:18:00] <TomTomTosch> ,v qbittorrent
1383 [11:18:01] <judd> Package: qbittorrent on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.2.11-1; wheezy: 2.9.8-1; wheezy-backports: 3.1.10-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.1.10-1; sid: 3.3.4-1; stretch: 3.3.4-1
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1385 [11:18:07] <TomTomTosch> you mean this one?
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1387 [11:18:24] <MaBunny> oh my gawd
1388 [11:18:32] <MaBunny> lemme check
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1390 [11:19:14] <f---> hello, I just put debian jessie on my mother's pc
1391 [11:19:21] <Skyrider> Grats
1392 [11:19:28] <f---> she misses the arrows in the scrollbars
1393 [11:19:37] <f---> any way to get 'em back?
1394 [11:20:06] <MaBunny> are you on Gnome?
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1397 [11:20:14] <Skyrider> ya, appears to be GUI related.
1398 [11:20:32] <f---> MaBunny: yeah, gnome
1399 [11:20:45] <MaBunny> try the Tweak Tool
1400 [11:21:04] <MaBunny> if you cant find anything,try Settings
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1408 [11:24:23] <MaBunny> yay!!!!!
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1430 [11:33:38] <tete_> hi, can someone tell me how to configure my lan1-lan6 to have this configured before dhcpd starts? i tried it with /etc/network/interfaces, but maybe i am doing something wrong? replaced-url
1431 [11:33:45] <tete_> ifup -a works
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1435 [11:34:14] <tete_> with that interfaces file it simply does not configure the devices, after a reboot they are gone
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1440 [11:38:19] <dutchfish> tete_, i assume your card(s) is/are recognized by the kernel and propererly get there firmware if needed. I think allow-hotplug needs all the ethx's if that is what you want. The rest seams fine, but not dns settings are done, check /etc/resolv.conf and proper naming that box host.tld.
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1444 [11:39:44] <dutchfish> tete_, also check `lspci | grep ether`
1445 [11:40:14] <tete_> eth's are the separated devices, i only want the lan1-lan6 working
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1448 [11:40:37] <tete_> allow-hotplug is on lan1, but its not getting up after reboot
1449 [11:41:06] <dutchfish> tete_, correction: check `lspci | grep Ether`
1450 [11:41:08] <tete_> at the moment, the configuration of the dns and all that around is not important, i just want the device being up
1451 [11:41:23] <tete_> after a reboot
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1453 [11:41:30] <dutchfish> testi, what does ifconfig tells you?
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1455 [11:41:58] <tete_> replaced-url
1456 [11:42:31] <dutchfish> testi, so eth0 is up and sending packets
1457 [11:42:43] <tete_> i dont care about eth*, i need the lan* devices
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1459 [11:43:09] <dutchfish> testi, what tells `lscpi | grep Ether` , can yu paste me that?
1460 [11:43:29] <tete_> lspci is not installed, one moment...
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1462 [11:43:39] <tete_> what package contains lspci?
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1466 [11:44:33] <dutchfish> tete_, pciutils: /usr/bin/lspci
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1471 [11:45:41] <tete_> replaced-url
1472 [11:46:39] <tete_> lan1-lan6 are switched devices
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1475 [11:47:17] <dutchfish> tete_, you want a different naming convention? normally lan devices are named ethx where x is the lancard number
1476 [11:47:42] <tete_> this is a router, not regular x86 consumer hardware
1477 [11:48:05] <tete_> replaced-url
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1479 [11:48:44] <tete_> eth1 is the chip which handles the 6 lan ports
1480 [11:48:55] <dutchfish> tete_, this is the Debian channel, i dont know much about 'not regular consumer hardware'
1481 [11:48:58] <tete_> but i want dhcpd only listen on those 6 lan ports, not on the eth ports
1482 [11:49:20] <tete_> dutchfish, i think you cannot help me, anyway thanks for the afford
1483 [11:49:31] <dutchfish> tete_, then configure the ones you dont want to do dhcp as static ones
1484 [11:49:42] <tete_> i already did
1485 [11:49:48] <dutchfish> tete_, or disable them, if that is your need
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1488 [11:50:08] <tete_> i just want lan1-lan6 getting up after a reboot, thats all i need, and it would be perfect if they get up before dhcpd starts
1489 [11:50:25] <dutchfish> tete_, if this was a Debian box replaced-url
1490 [11:50:26] <tete_> all the other stuff with eth* is already correctly configured!
1491 [11:50:34] <dutchfish> ok
1492 [11:50:39] <tete_> this is a arm router board with debian on it!
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1494 [11:50:48] <dutchfish> ok
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1499 [11:51:36] <dutchfish> testi, back in 5 min
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1501 [11:51:50] <tete_> its tete, not testi
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1509 [11:56:42] <dka> Is there a way to see the output of the pid 456?
1510 [11:58:10] <tete_> sorry i mean not switched devices, i mean bridged devices
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1517 [12:00:16] <tete_> it would also be ok if the stuff goes to rc.local, but seems like its not getting executed
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1535 [12:07:21] <dutchfish> tete_, so you want a bridge setup?
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1537 [12:07:45] <dutchfish> tete_, replaced-url
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1540 [12:08:37] <tete_> dutchfish, again, thanks for the try, but i guess you can not help me
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1542 [12:09:15] <dutchfish> testi, ok
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1544 [12:09:29] <dutchfish> dka, something like tail -f /proc/<pid>/fd/1
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1547 [12:10:37] <dutchfish> dka, or delve into strace
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1556 [12:14:53] <dutchfish> tete_, ok
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1583 [12:27:24] <mikejw> what chances do I have of building this software. output from configure: replaced-url
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1585 [12:28:16] <mikejw> I'm using stretch
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1599 [12:34:27] <yottanami> Hey all
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1601 [12:35:52] <yottanami> I am trying to install teamviewer on Debian seed but I got this message `dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of teamviewer:i386:
1602 [12:35:52] <yottanami> teamviewer:i386 depends on libpng12-0.` so I tried to install missed packages but `Package libpng12-0:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package.` here is the details replaced-url
1603 [12:36:02] <yottanami> How can I install missed packages?
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1614 [12:39:07] <mikejw> how do I install libgnomeprintui2.2-dev on stretch?
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1620 [12:40:22] <Rephlexie> replaced-url
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1629 [12:44:20] <yottanami> Rephlexie, So should I add stable repo to my repo list?
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1634 [12:45:40] <Rephlexie> might not have to, use packages.debian.org and search a bit to see if there is something that has it first.
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1638 [12:46:56] <yottanami> Rephlexie, There is `libpng12-0` in apt-cache search result but I think I need i386
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1656 [12:53:12] <Gabs5807> yottanami: jessie has multiachitecture support. you can enable i386 with dpkg.
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1658 [12:53:55] <Gabs5807> then you can install i386 libs from standard repros ..
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1661 [12:54:48] <Gabs5807> apt-get install libpng12-0:i386
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1671 [12:59:40] <jelly> dpkg, tell yottanami about multiarch
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1863 [14:51:56] <Rambler44> So I decided to try systemd-nspawn on jessie, to have a stretch container
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1865 [14:52:36] <Rambler44> Issue is, after I started my net container symlinking the template "systemctl start systemd-nspawn@stretch"
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1867 [14:52:59] <Rambler44> Machinectl login "container" replies with "Failed to acquire pseudo tty: No such file or directory"
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1869 [14:53:36] <Rambler44> I opened the container manually and found this error systemd-journald-audit.socket: Failed to listen on sockets: Operation not permitted [FAILED] Failed to listen on Journal Audit Socket.
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1871 [14:54:45] <Rambler44> So what can I do to fix journal on my container?
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1888 [15:00:38] <Rambler44> maybe its the difference in systemd versions between container and host system
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1910 [15:10:39] <v1s> think I have a serious permission problem. First when I do apt update I get error "W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file '/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_InRelease' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)" and when I check the perm for /var I get drwx------ 11 root root 4096 Feb 28 2016 /var
1911 [15:10:51] <Rambler44> Seems like the problem was solved by not using the same networking as host machine in case anyone wonders
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1914 [15:11:28] <v1s> If I set it to 755 then if I try to do apt update I get this error "System error resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org:80' - getaddrinfo (13: Permission denied)"
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1918 [15:13:34] <user> v1s, what?
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1921 [15:14:10] <v1s> user: not sure
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1933 [15:17:50] <szymon_g> hi
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1936 [15:19:34] <szymon_g> i've stopped using linux a couple of years back, now i'm thinking about switching back to debian- anyway, long story short, are there any available isos of debian testing that i could simply burn on the usb stick and start graphical environment (gnome or xfce preferably) within it (i prefer it since i use wifi and i need a simple way to configure it)?
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1939 [15:20:43] <szymon_g> silly me, i've got it.
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1944 [15:23:38] <Rambler44> With the way windows 10 is going I have a feeling I might use Linux more
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1946 [15:24:30] <Rambler44> I had some kernel spike issues on windows 10 where heavy network load would somehow mess with the audio playback buffer potentially due to bad management from windows kernel
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1959 [15:29:09] <Rambler44> It should have been more clear that secureTTY is at fault when trying to access the container
1960 [15:29:22] <Rambler44> sorry pam_security*
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1962 [15:29:33] <Rambler44> I guess, for any experienced Linux user, might be
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1964 [15:31:30] <user> Rambler44, huh?
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1980 [15:38:05] <Geom`> hi. i only need to the server edition. which image i should download
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1983 [15:40:13] <angor> Geom`: for what?
1984 [15:40:50] <Geom`> just for file sharing
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1986 [15:41:19] <angor> If you have stable i-net connection, you may just download netinst image and install Debian 8 from network mirror
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1988 [15:41:58] <TomTomTo1> Geom`: there is no server edition. you can decide to not install a desktop environment in the installer.
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1990 [15:42:45] <Sayona> Hi, how i disable iptables on debian 8?
1991 [15:42:46] <Geom`> ah the netinst
1992 [15:43:02] <angor> Sayona: iptables -F
1993 [15:43:23] <Geom`> ok. thanks for the info angor
1994 [15:43:26] <angor> angor: just make sure you have no block policy
1995 [15:43:30] <Sayona> thanks
1996 [15:43:41] <Sayona> work if i flush all tables
1997 [15:43:46] <Geom`> thanks TomTomTo1
1998 [15:43:52] <Sayona> samba not work to mapped in windows
1999 [15:44:22] <angor> Sayona: what you would like to do?
2000 [15:44:41] <Sayona> replaced-url
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2003 [15:44:50] <Sayona> to test if is something wrong with my samba
2004 [15:44:55] <Rambler44> user sorry for my bad explanation, but the issue is that when I try to access my new container using "machinectl login container" I get "Failed to acquire pseudo tty: Operation not permitted"
2005 [15:45:04] <Sayona> this is my iptables rules...but if are apply not work to connect at samba
2006 [15:45:10] <Rambler44> So I assumed fixing the issue woudl be adding pts/0 inside the container /etc/securetty
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2008 [15:45:20] <Rambler44> But it seems like I was wrong, as I just tried it and that did not solve my issue.
2009 [15:45:32] <angor> Sayona: smb seems work with 135 port
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2011 [15:45:51] <Sayona> ah, i have other 4 port there
2012 [15:45:54] <Sayona> hmm
2013 [15:46:12] <angor> Sayona: sorry.. 139
2014 [15:46:23] <Sayona> -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.0/24 -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 139 -j ACCEPT
2015 [15:46:26] <Sayona> i have that there
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2017 [15:46:33] <angor> & 445
2018 [15:46:37] <Sayona> and 445
2019 [15:47:02] <Sayona> why not work? if i apply the rules in iptables
2020 [15:47:20] <Sayona> angor, please take a look at my iptables replaced-url
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2023 [15:48:11] <Rambler44> If you access the container directly it will work
2024 [15:48:16] <Rambler44> But that's because TTY is /dev/console
2025 [15:48:21] <angor> Sayona: please show iptables -L -n
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2027 [15:48:46] <Rambler44> I wonder, am I doing something wrong with container-nspawn, anyone who knows why I can't hook up a pseudo terminal to my container?
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2029 [15:49:03] <Rambler44> I can of course solve it by starting a shell server from whitin the container, although that would be pretty unecessary to run
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2031 [15:49:09] <Sayona> now is empty angor
2032 [15:49:22] <Sayona> but this is my iptables angor : replaced-url
2033 [15:49:22] <angor> Sayona: so you have no rules
2034 [15:49:27] <Rambler44> I removed the /etc/securetty file altogether and it still couldn't enter
2035 [15:49:36] <Rambler44> so, in other words, problems not there.
2036 [15:49:39] <Sayona> if I have no rules work correctly
2037 [15:49:44] <angor> Sayona: you have to apply all these rules
2038 [15:49:46] <Rambler44> I'll try re-creating the whole container for the sake of it
2039 [15:49:48] <Sayona> Rambler44, yes
2040 [15:50:15] <Sayona> angor, right now, 2s
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2043 [15:50:55] <angor> Sayona: iptables -L -n will show...
2044 [15:50:56] <Sayona> angor, done
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2046 [15:51:19] <Geom`> TomTomTo1: can i decide not to install the desktop and only CLI without internet connection?
2047 [15:51:23] <Sayona> angor, replaced-url
2048 [15:51:24] <angor> Sayona: looks correct? iptables -L -n
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2050 [15:52:00] <Sayona> is the replaced-url
2051 [15:52:02] <angor> Sayona: look good..
2052 [15:52:04] <Sayona> look correctly?
2053 [15:52:07] <Sayona> let me restart the windows
2054 [15:52:09] <Sayona> to see
2055 [15:52:12] <angor> sure
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2057 [15:52:43] <TomTomTo1> Geom`: yes. if you are installing on a laptop there are netinst images that contain firmware, though.
2058 [15:52:46] <JohnA> I am running Thunderbird 51.0a1 and I keep getting messages that it is unable to do auto updates because of wring permissions, what permissions should be set?
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2061 [15:54:24] <Sayona> angor, same to work now.
2062 [15:54:33] <Sayona> let see if I use a user to connect on samba
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2064 [15:54:41] <user> Sayona, huh?
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2066 [15:54:54] <Sayona> it's work
2067 [15:55:00] <angor> Sayona: kewl :)
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2069 [15:55:23] <Sayona> :D now I try to configure samba to have access using user/pass
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2071 [15:55:33] <angor> you have to open 139 and 445 ports for sambe
2072 [15:55:51] <angor> I'd suggest to change ssh port
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2074 [15:56:19] <Sayona> angor is a private netwrok
2075 [15:56:24] <angor> tooooo.... 13459 (anyone you like)
2076 [15:56:25] <angor> ok
2077 [15:56:33] <angor> private looks ok
2078 [15:56:35] <Sayona> i have a firewall
2079 [15:56:47] <angor> I have direct IP :)
2080 [15:56:57] <angor> angor.name :)
2081 [15:57:26] <angor> and no sshd on 22 port :)
2082 [15:58:17] <angor> samba is also forbiden for non-private addresses
2083 [15:58:19] <Sayona> :D
2084 [15:59:01] <Rambler44> I wanted to just stick with NFS but Windows removed it since Windows 8.1 from Pro edition, only to be featured in Enterprise (officla support that is)
2085 [15:59:26] <Rambler44> Microsoft-.*
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2088 [15:59:54] <Sayona> Yes, now working , but i need to find a solution to use user/pass
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2090 [15:59:59] <Sayona> right! windows sucks
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2093 [16:01:23] <angor> Sayona: mmm... user/pass for samba?
2094 [16:01:35] <Sayona> yes let me try
2095 [16:01:43] <angor> this is simple :)
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2097 [16:02:20] <Sayona> yeee
2098 [16:02:21] <Sayona> work
2099 [16:02:26] <angor> kewl
2100 [16:02:30] <Sayona> :*
2101 [16:02:39] <Sayona> linux is the best!
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2103 [16:03:23] <Sayona> angor, I cannot add folder, rename folder in share
2104 [16:03:26] <Sayona> need to add something?
2105 [16:04:12] <angor> Sayona: /etc/samba/smb.conf
2106 [16:04:32] <angor> Sayona: google for it... you'll do that! :)
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2110 [16:10:05] <iamawesome> Suppose i'm on facebook.com , if i press the down arrow key , nothing happens, but if i press scroll down key, it works fine
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2112 [16:10:13] <iamawesome> It's firefox and openbox
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2120 [16:13:41] <Sayona> angor, done :D thanks
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2122 [16:14:21] <angor> Sayona: you've done by yourself :)
2123 [16:14:33] <angor> congrats
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2125 [16:14:47] <Sayona> :*
2126 [16:15:05] <angor> gcongrats from Minsk! :)
2127 [16:15:41] <Sayona> Nice :D
2128 [16:16:01] <Sayona> :*
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2131 [16:16:23] <angor> Sayona: how do you like biathlon?
2132 [16:16:57] <angor> Sayona: Do you know Darya Domracheva? She's Belarussian :)
2133 [16:16:58] <Sayona> not a fan :P
2134 [16:17:27] <Sayona> yes I know that player Darya Domracheva
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2136 [16:17:56] <angor> :)
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2177 [16:45:13] <Rambler44> Yup, I re-created my container using debootstrap
2178 [16:46:05] <Rambler44> but upon attempting machinectl login *container* still get Failed to acquire pseudo tty: No such file or directory
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2180 [16:46:34] <ohlolz> hi everyone
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2184 [16:48:42] <ohlolz> who in here uses the rtl8723be driver for wifi. can you post the content of /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723be.conf if your wifi works fine, please?
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2198 [16:54:22] <ikonia> ohlolz: are you using debian or ubuntu
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2200 [16:54:49] <ohlolz> ikonia: ubuntu, but isn't the file the same for both?
2201 [16:54:57] <ikonia> so please don't ask in #debian for ubuntu help
2202 [16:55:17] <ohlolz> ikonia: the file are just parameters, and will work for both
2203 [16:55:20] <ikonia> so please don't ask in #debian for ubuntu help
2204 [16:55:33] <ohlolz> ikonia: are you op in here?
2205 [16:55:37] <ikonia> nope
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2207 [16:56:33] <ohlolz> so.... yeah
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2209 [16:56:44] <ikonia> not sure what that has to do with anything or the rules of the channel
2210 [16:56:49] <ikonia> please don't ask for ubuntu support in #debian
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2212 [16:57:14] <ohlolz> ikonia: you're not op in here, so dont tell me what to do. and my question is not out of range
2213 [16:57:20] <ikonia> ohlolz: I am aware of the rules
2214 [16:57:28] <ikonia> and any community member can ask you to follow the rules
2215 [16:57:30] <ikonia> please don't ask for ubuntu support in #debian
2216 [16:57:37] <ohlolz> omg
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2219 [16:57:50] <ohlolz> ikonia: you have something against me
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2221 [16:57:55] <r6ku> !ubuntu
2222 [16:57:55] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
2223 [16:57:59] <ikonia> no, I'm just asking you to follow the rules - nothing more
2224 [16:58:06] <OerHeks> even with fwlps=N ips=N don't work flawless, that chip is a troublemaker replaced-url
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2226 [16:58:39] <ohlolz> thank you OerHeks . i've been trying to tweak it, but i still lose connection
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2244 [17:07:37] <Rambler44> Most of my issues probably come from using outdated systemd
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2247 [17:07:52] <Rambler44> which does not contain the appropriate patches
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2299 [17:31:29] <Rambler44> so the most sensible solution is to update systemd above or version 226
2300 [17:31:38] <Rambler44> since thats not possible with jessie, I assume migrate to stretch?
2301 [17:32:19] <TomTomTo1> ,v systemd
2302 [17:32:21] <judd> Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u4; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 230-7; sid: 231-1
2303 [17:32:42] <TomTomTo1> same version in bpo and testing ^
2304 [17:33:44] <Rambler44> Ah, so I can backport newer systemd is what you're saying?
2305 [17:34:07] <TomTomTo1> someone already backported it for you is what i'm saying.
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2307 [17:34:32] <Rambler44> Well, I would assume I'm not the only one having issues like this because of old systemd.
2308 [17:34:33] <TomTomTo1> replaced-url
2309 [17:34:49] <Rambler44> So I'm happy somebody did it, now let's see if I'll grab that or not.
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2346 [17:51:10] <notrobot9s> how long will debian 7 be supported, and when it is not, how long will firefox updates work exactly with extract to /opt?
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2349 [17:52:06] <TomTomTo1> replaced-url
2350 [17:52:20] <notrobot9s> i cannot link from this program
2351 [17:52:26] <notrobot9s> is there a date?
2352 [17:52:40] <TomTomTo1> notrobot9s: Wheezy LTS is from 26th April 2016 to 31st May 2018
2353 [17:52:52] <notrobot9s> good
2354 [17:53:09] <Rambler44> You can always dist-upgrade
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2356 [17:53:23] <Rambler44> But that's not really safe in productio
2357 [17:53:23] <notrobot9s> Rambler44: i cannot because the via chrome driver is broken beyond debian 7
2358 [17:53:26] <Rambler44> production
2359 [17:53:33] <notrobot9s> so, it must stay on 7
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2361 [17:53:58] <Rambler44> I had massive tearing issues on jessie
2362 [17:54:00] <notrobot9s> goodbye!
2363 [17:54:08] <Rambler44> so I'd new newer versions ;)
2364 [17:54:12] <Rambler44> Uusally it's the other way around
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2366 [17:54:17] <Rambler44> oh well, bai
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2380 [18:04:59] <olviier> hello, how can I create a debian live usb stick on Windows ?
2381 [18:05:52] <missmbob> !tell olviier about win32diskimager
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2384 [18:06:28] <Rambler44> I would recommend you
2385 [18:06:42] <olviier> with a iso image ?
2386 [18:06:51] <Rambler44> replaced-url
2387 [18:06:59] <missmbob> olviier: yes. with a live iso use win32diskimager like the bot said
2388 [18:07:01] <Rambler44> this is by far a superior tool, it does dd write and everything you'd need
2389 [18:07:04] <missmbob> do *not* use rufus
2390 [18:07:06] <missmbob> !rufus
2391 [18:07:06] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
2392 [18:07:11] <olviier> okay thank you
2393 [18:07:16] <missmbob> Rambler44: bot disagrees with you
2394 [18:07:23] <Rambler44> Oh noes
2395 [18:07:37] <Rambler44> I just write RAW iamges with dd write so can't blame me
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2398 [18:07:47] <Rambler44> Last time I wrote a debian hybrid image it would nto boot in csm
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2400 [18:07:55] <Rambler44> I was quite pissed, as I couldn't install UEFI Debian
2401 [18:08:01] <missmbob> Rambler44: eh we can kinda blame you for talking out of your ass and calling it superior :P
2402 [18:08:14] <Rambler44> But but
2403 [18:08:34] <olviier> it'S not work
2404 [18:09:57] <Rambler44> It did work
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2406 [18:10:15] <Rambler44> I'd assume that it did in fact broke it
2407 [18:10:21] <olviier> yes
2408 [18:10:23] <Rambler44> As I assume a hybrid image should be able to boot in UEFI mode
2409 [18:10:28] <Rambler44> Or am I mistaken?
2410 [18:10:41] <olviier> do you have a other program?
2411 [18:11:10] <missmbob> olviier: which one did you use?
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2414 [18:11:45] <Rambler44> Okay, I know w32diskimager
2415 [18:11:57] <Rambler44> Is LiLi also not recommended?
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2468 [18:38:17] <NottSure> Ive been messing around with whonix in virtual box and im getting several errors upon startup, and wont connect to tor. Just wondering if anyone had any suggestions.
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2489 [18:46:23] <jmcnaught> NottSure: try the whonix channel
2490 [18:46:31] <jmcnaught> !tell NottSure -about whonix
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2496 [18:47:47] <rysiek|pl> jmcnaught: let's just stop for a minute and ponder that line ;)
2497 [18:47:57] <rysiek|pl> "!tell NottSure -about whonix"
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2499 [18:48:39] <jmcnaught> rysiek|pl: this is how you tell the bot to send a factoid to someone but not yourself
2500 [18:48:44] <missmbob> rysiek|pl: and?
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2506 [18:50:47] <rysiek|pl> jmcnaught: I just find it mildly funny what a well-chosen nickname can do
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2515 [18:54:35] <jdoe> any idea why tpm-tools might be packaged for sid and wheezy, but not stretch?
2516 [18:54:43] <NottSure> Yeah I thought the name was a good pick. Its from Idiocracy
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2519 [18:55:23] <jmcnaught> jdoe: you can look up the history of packages here: replaced-url
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2530 [18:59:06] <jdoe> it appears it was removed *after* a bug that might affect it in the future was patched.
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2532 [19:00:51] <TomTomTosch> the bug report hasn't been closed yet.
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2552 [19:10:34] <jaggz> My netinst reboots after selecting a boot option
2553 [19:10:44] <jdoe> point is moot I guess, if it's not there I need to build it. Thanks guys.
2554 [19:11:16] <jaggz> Removing quiet, putting nomodeset, adding BOOT_DEBUG=3 .. nothing changes it
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2556 [19:12:15] <jaggz> Sigh
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2560 [19:13:09] <jaggz> Created the install usb with cat foo.iso > /dev/sdd
2561 [19:13:28] <jaggz> I do get the menus at boot
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2582 [19:24:43] <jmcnaught> jdoe: if you're on testing/stretch just install it from unstable (don't do this on stable/jessie)
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2586 [19:25:33] <jmcnaught> !ssm
2587 [19:25:34] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "stretch";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security stretch lines and change one set to sid, then apt-get update. apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than stretch as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. See <jum caveat> and use this setup to track <stretch> after its release.
2588 [19:25:40] <jmcnaught> jdoe: ^^
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2595 [19:29:17] <babilen> jaggz: Same with the stretch installer: replaced-url
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2599 [19:30:25] <missmbob> babilen: the dev installer is meant to test the installer, not to install testing/sid.
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2604 [19:31:48] <babilen> missmbob: We are testing the installer
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2638 [19:47:06] <scope> hi how is everyone
2639 [19:48:01] <dolly> @scope everyone is fine
2640 [19:48:21] <scope> i have a quick question. I'm using debian with lvm partitions. i have a 380Mb tmp folder now android studio needs more than that to run. How can I change the download location to my home folder
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2646 [19:49:13] <awal1> How to send a window from monitor 1 to monitor 2 in openbox?
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2650 [19:50:29] <scope> without changing the size of my tmp folder as i dont have the time to reconfigure mstab
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2652 [19:53:08] <ElDiabolo> scope, Th astonishing thing to me is that the download location is in /tmp. What is it that you are using for the download?
2653 [19:53:43] <scope> im doing a fresh install of android studiop
2654 [19:54:15] <scope> its tring to install the sdk files and other add ons now my tmp folder is not big enough to download the files too
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2664 [20:00:33] <ElDiabolo> scope, Maybe there is a way to change istaller behaviour. The other cheeap option ist to temporirily replace /tmp with a symlink to something like /home/tmp.
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2666 [20:01:41] <scope> ElDiabolo, how would i do that
2667 [20:03:14] <missmbob> scope: -Djava.io.tmpdir=/path/to/temp
2668 [20:03:34] <missmbob> scope: replaced-url
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2670 [20:03:42] <ElDiabolo> missmbob, Uh, that is of course much better.
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2672 [20:04:32] <scope> missmbob thank you very much
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2687 [20:10:28] <eSa|> I've just did a vat aptitude upgrade on my system and have some inconsistencies, for example: tech@matsui) pavucontrol
2688 [20:10:29] <eSa|> <eSa|> pavucontrol: error while loading shared libraries: libpulsecommon-1.0.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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2691 [20:10:52] <eSa|> s/vat/vast/
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2705 [20:14:05] <penguiner> test
2706 [20:14:23] <missmbob> eSa|: testing?
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2715 [20:15:45] <eSa|> I should check my pinnings
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2718 [20:16:07] <kerDePount> Hello
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2755 [20:36:23] <npo> Hi, i'm trying to change the default web browser for xdg, but i'm getting this error when I run 'xdg-settings set default-web-browser google-chrome.desktop': xdg-settings: unknown desktop environment. I get the same error even if i run `xdg-settings get default-web-browser`. But when I run `xdg-settings --list`, 'default-web-browser' is listed.
2756 [20:36:28] <npo> What could me error be?
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2767 [20:42:10] <dbb0> hello. i cannot get gdm3 to start on stretch, but lightdm works fine. i could not find any useful information in the logs
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2770 [20:44:18] <psichas> ppl i dont get it, then i try for loop in my debian it doesn't work well simple syntax for i in {1..100} do echo $i done out me just {1..100) but not numbers from 1 to 100 :)
2771 [20:44:21] <pseudonymous> I'm hoping to set up a bridge for proxmox (KVM) VM's on an IPv6 (/64) subnet but admittedly coming up short as I'll freely admit to understanding very little about what I'm doing or how to accomplish it. Anyone knowledgeable who knows what sort of resources I should be looking at ?
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2773 [20:44:39] <scope> missmbob ElDiabolo just thought i'd send a quick update. The site you sent me too doesnt work if you don't have the sdk's installed. I couldn't edit custom VM settings or even set a keymap to load the help menu. For a work around i found the files locally and in terminal (must be terminal so you can use sudo to edit) then adding the -Djava.io.tmpdir=/path/tmp. After saving and restarting android studio this worked so again thank you for your help
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2778 [20:45:41] <scope> you have to do it for both studio and studio64
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2780 [20:46:12] <TomTomTosch> psichas: for i in {1..100}; do echo $i; done;
2781 [20:47:35] <AimHere> There's also seq - 'seq 1 100'
2782 [20:47:51] <TomTomTosch> psichas: which will work in bash but not in dash
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2784 [20:48:06] <AimHere> That has the advantage of a command line flag which can pad with leading zeroes
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2787 [20:49:08] <TomTomTosch> but you call a second process which is silly for a for loop.
2788 [20:49:27] <psichas> i like seq so i=seq(1 100) should work like for?
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2799 [20:56:23] <psichas> replaced-url
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2803 [20:57:47] <jmcnaught> psichas: line 4 you have "echo $1" instead of $i
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2806 [20:58:21] <psichas> what i should write
2807 [20:58:49] <jmcnaught> psichas: if you are using i as the variable in your for loop, you want to "echo $i"
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2811 [20:59:39] <psichas> jmcnaught, can you write correct example... i dont get lol
2812 [20:59:57] <TomTomTosch> replace echo $1 with echo $i
2813 [21:00:06] <jmcnaught> for x in $(seq 1 10); do echo $x; done;
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2815 [21:00:48] <psichas> omg lol so stupid mistake i see :D
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2818 [21:03:09] <ayecaramba> hi
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2820 [21:03:23] <ayecaramba> I dont' have wifi when I installed debian, and now when I rebooted it won't load desktop
2821 [21:03:27] <ayecaramba> it only loads command promp
2822 [21:03:35] <ayecaramba> how do I get desktop environment without wifi
2823 [21:03:53] <ayecaramba> I have a wifi adapter but it's not recogniznig it. For some reason ubuntu will recognize it but debian wont'
2824 [21:04:43] <ayecaramba> I installed Debian Jessie. Any help would be appreciated
2825 [21:05:00] <jmcnaught> ayecaramba: you probably just need to install firmware for your wifi. Debian doesn't automatically include firmwares that are not free software, but they are available in the non-free section
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2827 [21:05:15] <ayecaramba> yeah but I can't acccess wifi to download them :) that's the problem
2828 [21:05:19] <jmcnaught> ayecaramba: is the wifi built-in or a USB thing?
2829 [21:05:25] <missmbob> !firmware image
2830 [21:05:25] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
2831 [21:05:27] <ayecaramba> I have bulit in wifi and usb tihng
2832 [21:05:41] <ayecaramba> but neither are working so I can't download firmware
2833 [21:05:53] <jmcnaught> ayecaramba: you can download the .deb for the firmware on a different computer and transfer it with a USB stick
2834 [21:06:06] <ayecaramba> i have another question ~ why didn't debian install with a desktop environment?
2835 [21:06:11] <ayecaramba> I thought it included one!
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2839 [21:06:35] <jmcnaught> ayecaramba: either because you didn't select one, or you didn't have a working network mirror during the install. ethernet is not an option?
2840 [21:06:45] <ayecaramba> nope, it's a netbook
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2842 [21:07:14] <ayecaramba> so I have a tplink wn725n, where could I find that in the firmware page
2843 [21:07:18] <ayecaramba> I'M looking, but can't see it
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2846 [21:08:11] <missmbob> !rtl8188eu
2847 [21:08:11] <dpkg> Realtek RTL8188EU (USB ID 0bda:8179) and RTL8188ETV-based USB wireless LAN devices (e.g. USB IDs 0bda:0179, 2001:330f) are supported by the r8188eu staging driver, introduced at Linux 3.12. Firmware from userspace is required (rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin) and packaged for Debian since firmware-realtek 0.41. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users: for device support, ask me about <bdo kernel> and install firmware-realtek from <wheezy-backports>.
2848 [21:08:20] <missmbob> ayecaramba: there ^
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2851 [21:09:11] <ayecaramba> so i found this replaced-url
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2853 [21:09:17] <ayecaramba> how would I download these files TO my usb
2854 [21:09:24] <ayecaramba> via the command line
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2856 [21:10:11] <ayecaramba> this is confusing :(
2857 [21:10:18] <missmbob> ayecaramba: replaced-url
2858 [21:10:40] <ayecaramba> ah ok! so i just downloaded that on my usb
2859 [21:10:41] <missmbob> ayecaramba: then you simply dpkg -i firmware-realtek_20160110-1~bpo8+1_all.deb and reboot
2860 [21:10:49] <ayecaramba> ha
2861 [21:11:12] <ayecaramba> so I boot into debian with the usb but how do I access the usb with the file on it in debian command?
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2863 [21:11:34] <ayecaramba> i have to mount my usb first then cd /dev/sda /media/usb
2864 [21:11:43] <ayecaramba> and then I can run the command?
2865 [21:11:44] <ompaul> ayecaramba: you could save yourself a lot of hassle with a network cable and plugging straight into the router if possible
2866 [21:11:53] <ayecaramba> sorry I can't this is a netbook
2867 [21:11:55] <ompaul> do your install / config and then rock on
2868 [21:12:00] <ayecaramba> doesn't have a ethernet unfortunately :(
2869 [21:12:28] <missmbob> ayecaramba: of course you mount it first. dpkg -i /path/to/file
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2871 [21:12:52] <ayecaramba> k
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2873 [21:12:59] <ayecaramba> I think I've got it now!
2874 [21:13:10] <ayecaramba> then once I have wifi, how do I enable Debian Desktop
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2876 [21:13:33] <missmbob> ayecaramba: which desktop?
2877 [21:13:38] <ayecaramba> debian desktop
2878 [21:13:39] <ompaul> replaced-url
2879 [21:13:44] <missmbob> ayecaramba: which desktop?
2880 [21:13:48] <ayecaramba> xfce4 gnome or what?
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2882 [21:13:53] <jmcnaught> ayecaramba: once the firmware is installed you'll need to do this: replaced-url
2883 [21:13:53] <ayecaramba> I don't know I'm asking you :)
2884 [21:14:09] <ayecaramba> ok thanks
2885 [21:14:11] <jmcnaught> ayecaramba: then you can run "tasksel" and it will give you a menu to select which desktop you want
2886 [21:14:18] <ayecaramba> alright sweet!
2887 [21:14:20] <ompaul> default is gnome - others by choice and that link is how do install firmware into debian
2888 [21:14:23] <ompaul> print and have
2889 [21:14:29] <ayecaramba> sorry I'm such a noob guys, but thanks for the help. I'm trying to learn!
2890 [21:14:34] <ayecaramba> I think I've got it now!
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2915 [21:23:30] <psichas> jmcnaught, can you help me again with for? this is debian output replaced-url
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2932 [21:30:55] <jmcnaught> psichas: i copied your paste into a script and it out the incrementing numbers one per line
2933 [21:31:04] <jmcnaught> psichas: what does "bash --version" say?
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2935 [21:31:43] <psichas> 4.3.30
2936 [21:31:46] <nixhed> works for me too...just fine 1 to 100 each line.
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2938 [21:31:57] <psichas> rhel works perfect but debian no
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2940 [21:32:09] <jmcnaught> psichas: how are you running the script?
2941 [21:32:21] <psichas> sh script.sh
2942 [21:32:34] <missmbob> fucking dash
2943 [21:32:44] <TomTomTosch> it ignores the shebang and runs dash.
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2945 [21:32:51] <jmcnaught> psichas: and if you do "bash script.sh" ?
2946 [21:32:51] <psichas> oh
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2949 [21:33:27] <psichas> worked now... :)
2950 [21:33:33] <nixhed> on deb 8.3 for me just fine.
2951 [21:33:36] <jmcnaught> psichas: you can also make it executable with "chmod +x script.sh" and then just run it like "./script.sh"
2952 [21:34:07] <jmcnaught> psichas: /bin/sh on Debian is dash, not bash.
2953 [21:34:07] <psichas> ok i knew, but problems with sh i see 1st time
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2961 [21:40:36] <TomTomTosch> it differs between distributions if /bin/sh points do dash or bash
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2968 [21:45:54] <teraflops> dash is fine. just fix your scripts and/or use a proper shebang
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2980 [21:49:35] <TomTomTosch> and what's not proper about his shebang?
2981 [21:49:56] <teraflops> I didn't see it
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2983 [21:50:06] <teraflops> I just read fucking dash
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3019 [22:06:03] <peters_> If I put an NFS server in a DMZ, how can I make sure that only machines on the LAN can do anything with it? I configured the exports to only connect to 192.*.*.*, but I read somewhere that people could spoof that, although that probably doesn't work over WAN, I don't know.
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3035 [22:14:46] <Klaus_Dieter> peters_: spoofing only works on the same network segment.
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3039 [22:15:27] <peters_> Klaus_Dieter: what about source routing?
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3047 [22:19:31] <pseudonymous> Anyone have a working setup with a IPV6 subnet used for KVM VM's in bridged mode ?
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3055 [22:23:53] <Klaus_Dieter> peters_: that would a be a completely different technology
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3057 [22:24:13] <teraflops> since it's a bridge it doesn't matter the kvm bit
3058 [22:24:24] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: I use lxc but there really should not be a difference
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3060 [22:24:52] <peters_> Klaus_Dieter: some guy said that source routing is part of IP and as such is a possible attack vector.
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3063 [22:25:09] <Klaus_Dieter> peters_: and that is correct. however it has nothing to do with spoofing.
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3065 [22:25:16] <teraflops> pseudonymous: what I do is dhcpv6 +ra for the subnet I want.
3066 [22:25:37] <pseudonymous> Klaus_Dieter: I'm curious to hear about your /etc/networking/interfaces - There's litterally not a single example so far and the debian administrator's handbook (and the conf file) are devoid of useful information... :(
3067 [22:25:45] <Klaus_Dieter> spoofing is an attack that allows the attacker to hijack an IP-address he does not possess.
3068 [22:25:56] <jaggz> If i use a single dvd iso, can it continue with a net install instead of disk 2?
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3070 [22:26:10] <missmbob> jaggz: yes
3071 [22:26:16] <peters_> Klaus_Dieter: yes, so the attack would be to claim to be a LAN address, but tell the system to route those packets to outside the LAN.
3072 [22:26:25] <pseudonymous> I'll admit to a high degree of ignorance, but I'm really just looking for some reliable, informative sources whereby I can at least begin to understand what the frack I'm supposed to do
3073 [22:26:32] <peters_> Klaus_Dieter: I never heard that this was possible.
3074 [22:26:32] <jaggz> Thanks. Is there something airfield i have to do?
3075 [22:26:34] <cow_2001> I've recently found that the coreutils docs are not installed by default due to the GFDL invariant problem, making Debian label the official FSF docs as "nonfree". Is there any way of increasing awareness of the existence of these guides? I only knew of the manpages before.
3076 [22:26:58] <Klaus_Dieter> peters_: source routing is a technology that allows a router to determine the next hop towards the destination of an ip packet not only on its destination but also by its source IP
3077 [22:27:06] <jaggz> Gfdl invariant? What's that
3078 [22:27:38] <missmbob> !tell jaggz about gfdl
3079 [22:27:41] <Klaus_Dieter> peters_: why is your nfs server in the dmz in the first place?
3080 [22:27:51] <peters_> Klaus_Dieter: because I am behind a symmetric NAT>
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3082 [22:28:04] <peters_> Klaus_Dieter: and don't have an infinite amount of servers.
3083 [22:28:18] <peters_> Klaus_Dieter: so multiple services are co-located on the same server.
3084 [22:28:21] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: well I just created a bridge and have every lxc-config attach its virtual network devices attach to this bridge. there is really not much to it
3085 [22:28:24] <peters_> Klaus_Dieter: it is not in the DMZ yet.
3086 [22:28:31] <peters_> Klaus_Dieter: but I want it to.
3087 [22:28:53] <Klaus_Dieter> I'd place my nfs server as far away from the internet as possible....
3088 [22:29:06] <Klaus_Dieter> wherever that is... :-D
3089 [22:29:11] <pseudonymous> Klaus_Dieter: if your lxc containers are sitting on a ipv6 subnet on a single-nic server then I'm highly interested in seeing your config.
3090 [22:29:22] <jaggz> [13:27] (missmbob), my installs all reboot right after selecting an option from the grub menu (grub or whatever)
3091 [22:29:49] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: let me check if I can find you a minimal example from here
3092 [22:30:05] <jaggz> Trying to find a way to install or to find what's going on :(
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3094 [22:30:19] <jaggz> Never experienced such a problem before
3095 [22:30:21] <pseudonymous> Ideally, what I'd want to build up to is a (public ipv6 ip) -> "DMZ" (not really, but a pfSense fw) -> (-rest of /64 subnet). Slicing the large subnet up into smaller subnets if what I'm suggesting is stupid
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3097 [22:30:26] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: you have to decide whether your single nic is part of that bridge as well..#
3098 [22:30:29] <Klaus_Dieter> do you want it to?
3099 [22:30:35] <teraflops> pseudonymous: you can setup a dhcpv6 server or just ra or both listening on a br interface
3100 [22:31:02] <Klaus_Dieter> teraflops: but only if the containers are not bridged into the lan....
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3103 [22:31:42] <teraflops> pseudonymous: In my case I do open vpn in Bridge mode. one central connected to the vpn I run dhclient -6
3104 [22:31:43] <pseudonymous> Klaus_Dieter: I tried to do that, but then it wouldn't respond to the outside. If it helps, I'm using a Hetzner server with one NIC; a single IPv4 addr and a /64 ipv6 subnet of which hetzner's installs defaults to using a single IP from the low end of the subnet
3105 [22:32:36] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: replaced-url
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3107 [22:32:41] <Klaus_Dieter> this is two nics
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3109 [22:32:48] <Klaus_Dieter> but they are on the same bridge so it really does not matter
3110 [22:32:58] <teraflops> Klaus_Dieter: why? sorry my ignorance I don't do lxc
3111 [22:33:11] <teraflops> s/do/know
3112 [22:33:22] <Klaus_Dieter> teraflops: this is not lxc-related actually
3113 [22:33:46] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: ipv6 is done ba a radvd running on the same network segment
3114 [22:33:46] <teraflops> Klaus_Dieter: that's what I said way up in the buffer
3115 [22:34:14] <pseudonymous> Klaus_Dieter: this may as well be french to me. Isn't there a decent handbook-style overview of what to do with all this stuff ? I can't judge the example at all
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3117 [22:34:27] <Klaus_Dieter> teraflops: I just menat that it is not sensible to run a service on a bridge without knowing whether that bridge ist "host-only" or actually connected to the outside lan
3118 [22:34:28] <cow_2001> jaggz: replaced-url
3119 [22:34:33] <Klaus_Dieter> because that might breakt stuff in the lan
3120 [22:34:50] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: then let's walk through it
3121 [22:35:09] <Klaus_Dieter> the system brings up lo and a bridge called br-lan
3122 [22:35:11] <teraflops> Klaus_Dieter: right
3123 [22:35:20] <Klaus_Dieter> then the system puts eth0 and eth1 as members of that bridge
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3125 [22:35:32] <Klaus_Dieter> and lxc connects its host to the bridge br-lan
3126 [22:35:43] <Klaus_Dieter> that is it... you can ignore the tun interface
3127 [22:35:57] <Klaus_Dieter> oh and also dhcp is executed on br-lan
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3129 [22:37:53] <pseudonymous> sure, but what's the point of throwing an iface on a bridge ? No one ever covers that. Though examples from proxmox setups sometimes show bridges sans any actual ifaces (i.e. 'bridge_ports none')
3130 [22:38:32] <Klaus_Dieter> every container has its on virtual nic
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3133 [22:38:39] <teraflops> pseudonymous: well if it sounds French or sanskrit to you you have a lot of things to read about
3134 [22:38:48] <Klaus_Dieter> if that nic is placed as member of a bridge, that container becomes part of the nics network segment
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3138 [22:41:09] <pseudonymous> teraflops: I'm sure I do, but frustratingly the internet is full of blog articles with random snippets from /etc/network/interfaces for various setups and it's not a stretch to imagine these guys being as clueless about what they did as I. I'd love to actually dig into this, I'm not unaccustomed to reading, but I'm a programmer, not a sysadmin, so I don't know where to start.
3139 [22:41:27] <pseudonymous> Basically - unknown unknowns at play. It's hard even to ask the elementary questions
3140 [22:41:30] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: try to find a primary source instead of following step-by-step guides
3141 [22:41:58] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: do you want you vm-network be bridged into your lan?
3142 [22:42:07] <Klaus_Dieter> or do you want your vm-network to be bridged but isolated?
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3144 [22:42:16] <Klaus_Dieter> that is the first choice you have to make.
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3147 [22:42:46] <teraflops> pseudonymous: yeah. also break the work in pieces. so go search for a dhcpv6 server and so on
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3151 [22:43:45] <teraflops> pseudonymous I can share mine but it's just a piece in your puzzle
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3156 [22:44:26] <pseudonymous> I basically just want to use the /64 subnet I'm assigned such that the VM's (through manual setup for now, that's fine) can grab an IPv6 addr and talk to the outside world. I'm given to understand I need to configure set subnet. I was trying to translate the "KVM/Bridged" example of replaced-url
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3159 [22:45:01] <jim> if a user just installed windows and lost being able to boot debian, how would he rescue it? can a live image do it?
3160 [22:45:03] <pseudonymous> teraflops: yea, I'm not going to try for the DHCP aspect quite yet, I figure manually configuring the VM's will suffice for now
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3163 [22:45:35] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: that means you want your vm net to be bridged into your lan
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3165 [22:45:46] <Klaus_Dieter> then set up a bridge as I did (br-lan)
3166 [22:45:54] <Klaus_Dieter> and have your VMs connect to that bridge
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3170 [22:46:56] <pseudonymous> Sometimes I really wish there were an equivalent to a FreeBSD handbook ... :(
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3172 [22:47:08] <Klaus_Dieter> you should not need any other infrastructure on your server specifically for your VMs then because they are handled like any physical machines on the same lan. so if you are announcing ipv6 prefixes, they will pick them up. if you are already using dhcpv6 in your lan - great, the VMs will use it too.
3173 [22:47:45] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: this is IPv6! there is no need to do manual config.
3174 [22:48:45] <pseudonymous> Klaus_Dieter,teraflops: You both seem knowledgable - can you think of any resources you read up on to understand what bridges are ? To discern the differences between a bridged & routed setup? To figure out what sort of mysterious incantations debian's network config file wants for various setups ?
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3181 [22:49:48] <pseudonymous> I mean, is there a book or two that can reasonably shed some light on this ? Specifically, once I have a conceptual understanding, is there any decent book on Debian wrt. networking or is it as sparsely documented as I'm given to believe judging from the Wiki and the third-party Debian Administrator's Handbook ?
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3185 [22:50:43] <Klaus_Dieter> allright, so now I have question too. I am sitting in front of an asus ux305fa laptop computer having a freshly installed jessie (including jessie backports repository, so kernel is 4.6.0). the device has a snd-hda-intel sound-card which is working fine for audio output. arecord -l lists a sound source but trying to record audio only gives silence. I checked alsamixer, there is nothing muted there. sn
3186 [22:50:48] <Klaus_Dieter> d-hda-intel is loaded with the ...
3187 [22:50:51] <Klaus_Dieter> ... options "model=asus-dmic index=1,0 enable_msi=1
3188 [22:50:53] <Klaus_Dieter> what else could I do?
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3190 [22:51:17] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: actually I recommend: replaced-url
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3192 [22:52:05] <Klaus_Dieter> wrt my sound question. I am aware of replaced-url
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3196 [22:52:39] <Klaus_Dieter> this is the output of lspci -vv: replaced-url
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3198 [22:52:56] <Klaus_Dieter> and this is the mixer: replaced-url
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3201 [22:54:00] <Klaus_Dieter> I know the mic works because I have used it on a debian flavor on this computer already
3202 [22:54:46] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: actually you likely do not need to read on debian but on netowkring concepts.
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3206 [22:54:57] <dockky> damn, rsync is to abnormally fast - scary
3207 [22:55:08] <dockky> the first time I used it I thought I did something wrong because it was over so fast :P
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3209 [22:55:24] <dockky> it is so fast it is obscene :P
3210 [22:55:26] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: unfortunately there is an absurd amount of information in that field. I never owned a book about this stuff
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3212 [22:56:13] <pseudonymous> Klaus_Dieter: agreed, some conceptual understanding first would help. But Debian is surprisingly poorly documented, still. Even once I know what I want/need conceptually, it's a game of figuring out how to translate that to debians network config file syntax.
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3217 [22:57:48] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: I do not think debian is poorly documented. it is just that freebsd is extremely well-documented.
3218 [22:58:10] <pseudonymous> Well, it's pretty bad compared to Arch Linux
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3220 [22:58:18] <Klaus_Dieter> *shrugs*
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3222 [22:58:33] <peters_> Arch Linux has wiki documentation, not actual documentation.
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3224 [22:59:04] <Klaus_Dieter> so what do you guys think I should to to get my mic working?
3225 [22:59:05] <peters_> Having said that, the quality is often OK.
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3228 [22:59:30] <pseudonymous> Anyway, I guess I'm just ranting. But it really shouldn't have to be this nebulous, I'm sure what I'm trying to do is fairly common and that the configuration won't exceed 50 lines, some decent documentation would link to conceptual overviews when needed and present some usecases.
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3231 [23:00:07] <pseudonymous> peters_: It's the single best documented distro. I often consult Arch's documentation regardless of the distro I'm using at the moment. It's really excellent and telling what to do and *why* it's done that way
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3233 [23:00:12] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: I did figure out this network setup with the documentation of /etc/network/interfaces. and you need the same setup
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3236 [23:00:53] <peters_> pseudonymous: I don't count user documentation as documentation.
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3238 [23:01:18] <peters_> pseudonymous: documentation is supposed to say what something *should* do, not what a user observed what it did.
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3240 [23:01:54] <peters_> pseudonymous: and a user cannot ever say how something was intended; only the designers can say that or the RFCs when applicable.
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3242 [23:02:19] <jaggz> anyone have any ideas on why a debian install iso (usb) reboots right after selecting an option from the boot menu? (I believe I can see it extracting vmlinuz or something.. I see about 2 lines of text, then the screen blanks and it reboots)
3243 [23:02:21] <peters_> pseudonymous: so, while it might be useful, it's no substitute for actual documentation.
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3246 [23:02:41] <jaggz> old mb .. hp violet
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3249 [23:03:25] <pseudonymous> peters_: to each his own. I think it's telling when you hear others referring people to the Arch wiki even when the people in question are running Ubuntu, OpenSUSE or something else entirely. That speaks volume about its usefulness, substitution or no
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3254 [23:04:52] <jaggz> oh it's efi
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3256 [23:05:22] <jaggz> bios is an old bios.. isn't an EFI usb going to be an issue?
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3265 [23:09:09] <teraflops> pseudonymous: what kind of network do you do there, I bet is routed if you have a server in a vps provider
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3271 [23:10:10] <pseudonymous> teraflops: ? I'm not following. Conceptually everything's routed in some way. What do you mean ?
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3274 [23:10:33] <teraflops> pseudonymous: I'm talking about the promoxVE
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3280 [23:12:15] <teraflops> you can do routed or bridge network on the proxmox nodes, vps providers avoid the bridged setup mainly for security reasons
3281 [23:12:18] <pseudonymous> Still not sure I follow. They just provided a physical machine with an IPv4 addr and an IPv6 subnet. I then proceeded to install debian and proxmox atop Debian
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3285 [23:13:17] <pseudonymous> teraflops: Yea, I just came across a statement like that on the proxmox wiki too. There's some vague allusions to needing to request additional MAC's on Hetzner's (my VPS) own guides, I'm guessing this is why
3286 [23:13:28] <teraflops> pseudonymous: yeah ;)
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3290 [23:14:39] <teraflops> pseudonymous: I bet is routed, if you want a bunch of machines serving web content a reverse proxy is the way to go
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3294 [23:15:51] <pseudonymous> teraflops: you mean something like an nginx/haproxy server forwarding requests to respective VM's based on the domain name ?
3295 [23:16:01] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: it sounds like you do not want bridging then actually.....
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3299 [23:16:59] <teraflops> yeah, haproxy is mainly for high availability maybe you want that too, but just nginx is fine
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3301 [23:17:48] <teraflops> pseudonymous: oh lucky you, you have a lot of fun there :P
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3303 [23:17:53] <pseudonymous> Maybe I want routing after all, yes. While Hetzner allows me to request multiple MAC's for my IPv6 addrs (in theory) I can't find where to do so...
3304 [23:18:15] <pseudonymous> teraflops: I hate, absolutely hate, administering linux boxes
3305 [23:18:20] <teraflops> :P
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3307 [23:18:34] <pseudonymous> Wait, no, I hate configuring pc's in general. I just want to code :(
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3311 [23:20:05] <teraflops> pseudonymous: idk about Hetzner but I guess thy have a web interface for doing such things, proxmox also have an API and many providers use it for custom admin web interfaces
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3315 [23:20:59] <pseudonymous> so, am I getting this right. Bridging is conceptually closer to a switch, the individual IPv6 addrs of my subnet would be externally visible and most VPS providers would freak if I attempted such a setup (though I can if I talk to hetzner). Routing would what.. basically leave me with one externally reachable IP ? I'd basically be NAT'ing or something akin to it ?
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3318 [23:22:40] <Klaus_Dieter> bridging is actually what a switch does.
3319 [23:23:05] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: yes.
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3325 [23:23:48] <pseudonymous> holy cr*p, I'm a genius. Time to hop careers and become a network admin
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3328 [23:24:14] <Klaus_Dieter> well, it seems I have not come to the right place to ask my snd-hda-intel question. where is a better place to ask?
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3330 [23:24:49] <teraflops> pseudonymous: I like promoxVE and I use it at work, is the most reliable virtualization platform imo.
3331 [23:24:50] <pseudonymous> Klaus_Dieter: wish I could help. Have you checked out what the Arch Wiki has to say on Alsa, recording and such ?
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3335 [23:25:44] <userX1> hello everyone, i have been stuck with this for quite a bit now, hope to find help here...apt-get is stuck at "Building database of manual pages ..."
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3339 [23:25:58] <pseudonymous> teraflops: While it might scare you to know a NW-novice such as myself set up a small Mesos cluster, I did :P I just installed proxmox today because this time I don't have multiple servers but a single, beefier one. It seems *really* interesting
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3341 [23:26:28] <userX1> i m running Debian Stable
3342 [23:26:42] <userX1> 8.5 Jessie
3343 [23:27:11] <teraflops> pseudonymous: nah it's fine, nobody knows everything
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3345 [23:27:37] <userX1> dpkg --configure -a also gets stuck at the same point
3346 [23:27:37] <dpkg> userX1: I don't know, could you explain it?
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3350 [23:29:17] <userX1> as a result i am unable to run apt-get on my computer
3351 [23:29:31] <Klaus_Dieter> pseudonymous: yes. unfortunately sound is working except the mic. that makes me think I am missing something profane
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3353 [23:29:46] <userX1> it always gets stuck at the same point "Building database of manual pages ..."
3354 [23:29:56] <jaggz> can I install 64bit debian with an i386 netinst?
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3357 [23:30:43] <missmbob> jaggz: no
3358 [23:30:48] <Klaus_Dieter> jaggz: nope
3359 [23:30:52] <pseudonymous> Klaus_Dieter: I remember way, way back I sometimes had to alter some module options for my soundcards when their linux kernel modules were loaded
3360 [23:30:55] <jaggz> hm
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3362 [23:31:35] <jaggz> fine be that way
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3365 [23:32:06] <missmbob> don't tell me how to be gurl
3366 [23:32:12] * missmbob snaps fingers
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3368 [23:32:51] <pseudonymous> Klaus_Dieter: also, as the arch wiki on Alsa mentions, some sound cards have mislabelled channels and/or need some channels to be unmuted & adjusted for analogue sound recording to work
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3370 [23:33:46] <Klaus_Dieter> well it turns out I was missing something profane: the capture flag needs to be turned on by pressing space in alsamixer when having the mic selected
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3372 [23:34:23] <pseudonymous> Klaus_Dieter: well that's surprisingly easy :)
3373 [23:34:25] <Klaus_Dieter> I just learned that after fiddling for 2 hours with module options for snd-hda-intel :)
3374 [23:34:36] <Klaus_Dieter> :-/ but it is working now. :)
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3378 [23:36:04] <teraflops> Klaus_Dieter: heh, now consider to forget about alsa and switching to pulseaudio
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3380 [23:37:02] <pseudonymous> Oh yes, pulseaudio, another study in making something absurdly complicated
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3382 [23:37:16] <jaggz> pa is crazy and nice
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3386 [23:37:57] <jaggz> it's the only thing I found that lets me change multiple source feeds' balance so I can record two streams in one stereo one (left and right)
3387 [23:38:12] <jaggz> for translated lectures
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3391 [23:38:36] <pseudonymous> I remember my early slackware installs (7.x I think).. Back then, most everything was simple to work out. Nowadays pulseaudio (and sometimes systemd) seems to make me wonder if I'm still smart enough to run Linux..
3392 [23:38:49] <JohnTitor> pseudonymous: I think it's the other way around
3393 [23:39:00] <JohnTitor> (about pulseaudio)
3394 [23:39:05] <Epakai> it's just different, not terribly complex
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3396 [23:39:25] <pseudonymous> JohnTitor: oh, I was about to be witty and suggest: so you think it's possible that Linux is to smart to be run ? ;)
3397 [23:39:33] <jaggz> adding a line for a little script to run on a port was easy with inetd :)
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3399 [23:39:52] <jaggz> had to learn a whole buncha systemd stuff to get that to work :(
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3404 [23:41:08] <jaggz> 'course, now I can't even get past an install boot menu
3405 [23:41:13] <jaggz> shoulda gotten a mac
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3409 [23:42:13] <pseudonymous> Yea, things are getting ever more complex. Lilo was dead easy to learn. Grub was... do-able.. Grub2.. it's a nightmare. Most Linux components follow a trajectory of getting ever more flexible but at the expense of getting ever more complex for the layman to configure.
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3411 [23:42:40] <jaggz> thankfully automation comes along with that development.. but when there's a problem ...
3412 [23:42:40] <JohnTitor> pseudonymous: heh as smart as the one that is administering it
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3417 [23:44:07] <pseudonymous> JohnTitor: you could say that. But I had sound coming out of my speakers with OSS too.. I had multiple concurrently playing sounds with ESD. Then came alsa and a few months of breakage or hissing audio. Then once that worked came pulseaudio and the cycle repeats itself :P
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3421 [23:44:27] <jaggz> "install LAMP?"
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3423 [23:44:33] <jaggz> heh
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3427 [23:45:17] <JohnTitor> pseudonymous: and it's way more complex. you need to set up a sw mixer if you do alsa
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3429 [23:46:29] <JohnTitor> pseudonymous: well and using bt headsets and that stuff with alsa is just crazy compared to pulseaudio
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3433 [23:47:09] <jaggz> amd64 would be the proper x64 for a pc's 64bit mb right?
3434 [23:47:45] <jaggz> this mb replaced-url
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3436 [23:48:48] <JohnTitor> jaggz: yeah
3437 [23:48:51] <missmbob> jaggz: yes
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3440 [23:49:12] <jaggz> hm.. thanks
3441 [23:49:24] <Klaus_Dieter> nah I will not switch away from alsa
3442 [23:49:34] <JohnTitor> heh
3443 [23:49:59] <JohnTitor> whatever floats your goat (I love that expression)
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3446 [23:50:16] <JohnTitor> heh
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3450 [23:51:26] <pseudonymous> JohnTitor: of I'm sure all those cornercases got easier. But meanwhile a lot of us had broken sound installs with the most mundane setups in the world.
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3455 [23:53:42] <JohnTitor> pseudonymous: everytime I see pulseadio issues here is about muted devices or just hw issues, since pulseadio runs at top of alsa I cannot see how can it be *worse*
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3457 [23:54:43] <Olivier> hello, I would to know how can I create a live USB debian please
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3460 [23:56:09] <pseudonymous> JohnTitor: Because given that pa works atop alsa I can now have a borked alsa setup and have pa fail because of that or it might be pa which is misconfigured. Generally speaking, you don't want to debug with multiple potential failure sources
3461 [23:56:17] <Sayona> Question: it
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3463 [23:56:41] <Sayona> it's a software for debian how shutdown my linux and power up when i put the time?
3464 [23:56:50] <JohnTitor> pseudonymous: pa cannot be misconfigured since is has no configuration at all (by default)
3465 [23:56:54] <JohnTitor> it*
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3467 [23:57:32] <Olivier> would to know how can I create a live USB for debian please
3468 [23:57:55] <pseudonymous> if there's the possiblity of configuring pa, then there's a reason why that possibility exists (i.e. a potential need is addressed by configuring it) hence there's a potential headache.
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3471 [23:58:29] <pseudonymous> olivier: a bootable USB or do you want to actually install Debian into the USB ?
3472 [23:58:41] <Olivier> a Bootable USB
3473 [23:58:53] <Olivier> I tried unetbootin but I doesn't work
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3475 [23:59:04] <missmbob> Olivier: i told you it wouldn't work
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3477 [23:59:33] <missmbob> i told you to use win32diskimager
3478 [23:59:33] <Klaus_Dieter> argh, I just tried to write an audio stream to /dev/null and instead of just dumping the stream into the device arecord decided it would be wise to delete /dev/null and place a wav file there.
3479 [23:59:34] <Olivier> yes but I need a Bootable USB
3480 [23:59:42] <missmbob> !win32diskimager
3481 [23:59:43] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
3482 [23:59:58] <missmbob> for the second time read ^^
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