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189 [01:34:32] <sideup66> hey guys, im trying to setup apcupsd for my home server with a new backups be750g, and am looking at the included documentation from the install and debians official guide, but nothing is matching up and im feeling mildly overwhelmed with info, anyone around to help make sense of this
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257 [02:08:35] <ipatrol> Ugh, I just spent the last two hours getting a software package to work
258 [02:09:46] <ipatrol> The developer doesn't actively support Debian, only Red Hat, and it depends on certain old libraries that RH retains, but Debian got rid of a long time ago
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260 [02:11:10] <curtis22> what package?
261 [02:12:16] <ipatrol> Well, a set of programs, not a package. It's called AWIPSII CAVE
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263 [02:13:21] <ipatrol> It's a ~1GB meteorology program, open source, but it's about as dense and complicated as the kernel
264 [02:13:58] <qmr> life sucks then you die
265 [02:14:03] <qmr> computers suck especially
266 [02:14:06] <ipatrol> heh
267 [02:14:07] <qmr> how I hate them so
268 [02:15:51] <ipatrol> qmr, curtis22: It's like, de rigeur in forecasting, but it's not designed terribly well
269 [02:16:14] <ipatrol> It actually installs itself to the root directory, and fails if it's not there
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274 [02:17:54] <ipatrol> Like, the authors do not actually understand how Linux is supposed to work
275 [02:18:08] <curtis22> i see
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277 [02:18:47] <ipatrol> oh, and it actually, within that root directory, installs it's OWN VERSIONS of like, 5-6 different free software programs
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279 [02:19:31] <plasmoduck> what wm/de is this? replaced-url
280 [02:19:39] <plasmoduck> I'm guessing maybe lxde?
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284 [02:20:30] <ipatrol> plasmoduck: you can't really tell these days unless it's one of the defaults. Themes can let you customize and emulate nigh anything
285 [02:20:42] <plasmoduck> replaced-url
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287 [02:21:10] <plasmoduck> It's from the show Mr. Robot
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289 [02:21:47] <ipatrol> like I said, it could be literally anything
290 [02:21:59] <curtis22> in the show he said it was "gnome"
291 [02:22:15] <plasmoduck> yeah but gnome what?
292 [02:22:32] <plasmoduck> doesnt look like gnome3
293 [02:23:13] <TomTomTosch> possibly mate.
294 [02:23:33] <TomTomTosch> has a bit of a gnome 2 look.
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296 [02:24:11] <ipatrol> Could be just old Gnome 2
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298 [02:25:01] <plasmoduck> how do I install that?
299 [02:25:14] <ipatrol> it's not in the repos anymore
300 [02:25:37] <plasmoduck> why? what's wrong with it?
301 [02:25:40] <ipatrol> MATE is more or less the continuation of it, but it may not have the same themes
302 [02:25:54] <ipatrol> plasmoduck: It's old. GNOME 3 replaced it.
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308 [02:28:27] <baraba> ktorrent or qbitorrent?
309 [02:29:19] <ipatrol> I use a Transmission daemon on my router connected to an NAS
310 [02:29:38] <bazhang> rtorrent baraba
311 [02:29:40] <baraba> i don't like it's looks on kde
312 [02:30:25] <baraba> bazhang, giving it a try
313 [02:30:58] <baraba> lol
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315 [02:31:16] <ipatrol> baraba: it's a console-based client...
316 [02:31:55] <baraba> yeah, i see, now tell me how to exit without killing it lol
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319 [02:33:34] <ipatrol> baraba: um, you don't. It's not like a lot of graphical clients that minimize into your systray
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322 [02:34:33] <baraba> so i was using ktorrent, but it seems that last update was 3 years ago
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324 [02:35:00] <bigterd> anyone here up for some sata hdd questions?
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326 [02:35:24] <bazhang> ##hardware is bigterd
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329 [02:35:40] <ipatrol> baraba: Perhaps KGet?
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336 [02:36:55] <ipatrol> KGet, qbittorrent, Transmission, or Deluge
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341 [02:39:15] <curtis22> qBittorrent
342 [02:39:33] <baraba> thx, i think i'll go with qbittorrent, kget seems like a general download manager, i don't like the looks of transmission in kde, and deluge requires a 100 dependencies
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355 [02:48:14] <waszabi> Hi debian lovers :) Is it possible to use two gnu screens in a way: using screen on local machine and in one of the windows to open ssh/mosh connection to remote machine and on it start another gnu screen?
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357 [02:48:53] <TomTomTosch> sure
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362 [02:51:41] <waszabi> TomTomTosch: but then do I need to remap ^a? I would like to not to and let screen decide automaticaly to trigger it to local/remote based on what window is shown
363 [02:53:24] <TomTomTosch> ctrl-A-A should send it to a nested screen.
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368 [02:58:01] <TomTomTosch> now how you want to keep track of it, no idea. nested tmux is a bit easier.
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375 [03:01:37] <waszabi> TomTomTosch: I used to use tmux but somehow screen feels more natural to me, maybe because it is 'preinstaled' on raw debian install
376 [03:02:07] <waszabi> or vanila debian if you prefer that naming :D
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400 [03:18:16] <waszabi> TomTomTosch: anyway thanks for the tip; Each a that you add after that will go down one nesting level
401 [03:18:34] <waszabi> down the rabbit hole :)
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458 [03:56:12] <kingsley> Should I tell a packages.debian.org administrator that it's not reporting a package in the debug archive?
459 [03:56:31] <kingsley> The package is the i386 / 11.2.2-1 version of libgl1-mesa-dri-dbgsym.
460 [03:57:39] <themill> Does packages.d.o know about any dbgsym packages yet?
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467 [04:00:49] <kingsley> themill: You ask a reasonable question. I think the answer is yes. As you can see at
468 [04:00:52] <kingsley> replaced-url
469 [04:01:21] <kingsley> dbgsym packages are listed for other architectures.
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558 [04:50:17] <tonberry-king> evening
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572 [04:57:32] <saul> anyone know which package contains the "strings" command ?
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577 [04:59:56] <dvs> saul, replaced-url
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584 [05:01:21] <PryMar56> saul, binutils
585 [05:02:39] <PryMar56> /usr/bin/strings
586 [05:02:47] <themill> kingsley: those other archs are only on debports not in the debian archive and they probably don't have a separate *-debug archive yet on debports
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591 [05:04:47] <tonberry-king> saul use apropos strings
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596 [05:06:52] <tonberry-king> PryMar56 said the package
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598 [05:07:43] <kingsley> themill: OK, that makes sense.
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600 [05:09:11] <kingsley> themill: Do you happen to have an opinion on whether I should tell a packages.debian.org admin that it's missing a dbgsym package from the debug archive?
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605 [05:17:17] <themill> kingsley: I checked bugs.d.o and I can't see it listed already -- it might be worth checking their mailing list to see if it's already been brought up. Yes, it's worthwhile mentioning if it's not already on their radar.
606 [05:17:41] <themill> The debug archives are pretty new -- I only taught judd about them last week.
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618 [05:30:53] <wozzfe> i have an 8.2 era installation that i've done `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade` on, it's still on a 3.x kernel, how do i move to 4.6? goal here is to move to the grsec patched package
619 [05:31:44] <saul> PryMar56: thanks
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622 [05:33:27] <Neo> .w 28
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626 [05:35:02] <dvs> !bpo kernel
627 [05:35:03] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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629 [05:36:21] <wozzfe> ah specifying -t helps, thanks
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633 [05:37:16] <kingsley> themill: OK, thanks for your thoughts.
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662 [06:03:10] <Dinosaurus> [to the tune of "Joy To The World"] JOY TO THE WORLD, BARNEY'S DEAD! WE BARBECUED HIS HEAD!
663 [06:03:15] <Dinosaurus> DON'T WORRY 'BOUT THE BODY, WE FLUSHED IT DOWN THE POTTY!
664 [06:03:20] <Dinosaurus> AND ROUND AND ROUND IT GOES, AND ROUND ABD ROUND IT GOES!
665 [06:03:23] <Dinosaurus> ROUND AND ROUND AND DOWN IT GOES!
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674 [06:09:01] <wozzfe> are apparmor and grsec kernel compatible? reading journalctl -xn it appears grsec is killing apparmor.service startup for using /bin/echo or /usr/bin/tput
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676 [06:09:59] <Dinosaurus> debhelper, [_Miles_], [Gunner], ^GoD^, _0x5eb_, _aeris_, _Baltazar_, _ezhik, _KaszpiR_, _tremo, _unreal_, `Kevin, `z, a1, a1batr0ss, AaronMesa, abra0, abracadaniel, abrotman, abysed, AciD`, acidchild, acidtech, acrocity, Ad1_RnR, Adbray, adc, adi, aedinius, aegis, Afforess, afx237, AgentClank, AimHere, aindilis, AJ_Z0, ajehals, akl, Akufen, Al3xG0, Alam_Squeeze, alchemistswl, alexandros_c, alexbligh1, alexlis
677 [06:10:09] <Dinosaurus> alfred_, Alina-malina, althalus, altin_, altyr, alu, alxd, Amanas, amospalla, Amplificator, Amun_Ra, Anarchic:
678 [06:10:46] <Dinosaurus> anbz, AnD[a]LeS, andatche, Andocromn, Andreas33, AndyBotwin, anexit_, angor, angseus, anonnumberanon, AntiSpamMeta, antlarr, anton02, Anwarias_, apecat, Apeiron`, ApEtc, APexil, aphorise, APLU, appas, apt, ArchDuke, arcveil, ariador, armin, Arrowmaster, Arroyo1010, Arthur_D:
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683 [06:11:23] <Dinosaurus> !ops asc232, AsgarSerran, ashb, ashka, Asoka, atf, Atlas, atomi, aton`, Attoy, AusteritySucks, austin987, auxiliation_, av0idz, awal1, Awesomecase, awk, AxForest, ayypot, azbarcea|odin, Azelphur, azizLIGHT, b, B[]rG, babilen, BackEndCoder, badiane, bagbobilgins, baraba
684 [06:11:23] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dinosaurus complains about: asc232, AsgarSerran, ashb, ashka, Asoka, atf, Atlas, atomi, aton`, Attoy, AusteritySucks, austin987, auxiliation_, av0idz, awal1, Awesomecase, awk, AxForest, ayypot, azbarcea|odin, Azelphur, azizLIGHT, b, B[]rG, babilen, BackEndCoder, badiane, ...
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687 [06:11:42] <Dinosaurus> !ops BarthezZ, barto, basic`, bathtub_shark, batrick, bauerj, baum, BaW, bazhang, bcd, bchroneos, bdeferme, beardface, beardo, beardyname, beastie_, bedouin, BeerBaron, beerbroyy, beet0l, beisner
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689 [06:11:42] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dinosaurus complains about: BarthezZ, barto, basic`, bathtub_shark, batrick, bauerj, baum, BaW, bazhang, bcd, bchroneos, bdeferme, beardface, beardo, beardyname, beastie_, bedouin, BeerBaron, beerbroyy, beet0l, beisner
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691 [06:12:03] <Awesomecase> wut
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696 [06:12:29] <Awesomecase> why would you do this to me
697 [06:12:42] <Dinosaurus> Belkaar, belowzero, ben__, benaiah, BenderRodriguez, benf, Bennux, Bercik, berndj, bertbob, betaboon, bezaban, bgardner, bhuddah, bibble, bier, bigterd, Billias, BinBasher, bipolar, bipul, bitnine, bitti_away, bittin, bizarro_1, BlackoutIsHere, BlackPanx, blackwell, blaisebool, blazed_, blind, blommer, blue_, bluszcz, bobbyz, bobe:
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760 [07:10:17] <Real-OS> <Real-OS> <Real-OS> WITH ALL SOURCE CODE AND THE REST
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781 [07:19:36] <FaTony> which packages do I need to install to develop Qt apps?
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812 [07:39:10] <wolfpackmars2> FaTony: depends what language. If python, look into pyqt
813 [07:39:29] <FaTony> wolfpackmars2, c++
814 [07:39:51] <wolfpackmars2> should be even easier... Qt was written for C++
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816 [07:40:55] <wolfpackmars2> should just need the Qt development pages provided by qt.io
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818 [07:41:38] <wolfpackmars2> either qt4 or qt5 ... though qt4 might be easier to start with - more examples, and I believe the licensing was radically changed from 4 to 5
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821 [07:43:15] <wolfpackmars2> here's a generic kernel question - why does it seem software refers to linux as either kernel 2.6 or not 2.6?
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823 [07:43:57] <wolfpackmars2> latest kernel version is 4.7... so why do programs still refer to 2.6 as "modern" linux... I assume there was some major change to the kernel at this point
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946 [09:04:57] * elliot007 says hello
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948 [09:07:16] <polyzen> hi
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950 [09:08:06] <elliot007> polyzen: ssup
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959 [09:15:44] <polyzen> what's up dog
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967 [09:18:57] <elliot007> hey can anyone tell me how can i start contributing to Debian
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973 [09:24:33] <plasmoduck> elliot007: submit bug reports, learn c and start coding software, help in here. There are many ways.
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975 [09:25:06] <elliot007> yep i'm learning c right now
976 [09:25:17] <elliot007> plasmoduck: ^^
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1000 [09:46:27] <f-a> hello, I would like to batch convert a directory (and every file into its subfolders) to mp3
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1002 [09:46:38] <f-a> is there friendly utility which does that
1003 [09:46:39] <f-a> *?
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1014 [09:51:31] <nwe> can I add multiple users in a preseed file?
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1020 [09:53:21] <bibble> f-a: maybe ask in #bash too, as really, going to be a mix of shell loop and ffmpeg for instance.
1021 [09:53:54] <Amun_Ra> or "lame" encoder in this case
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1027 [09:55:50] <unborn> f-a: you may try winff or something but best way would be some command which will do it for you
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1040 [10:02:08] <f-a> unborn: thanks
1041 [10:02:31] <superlinux> hi. how do you install the live cd copy of debian on hard drive?
1042 [10:02:32] <f-a> *unborn & bibble. I'll see what I can do
1043 [10:02:59] <superlinux> I know how to install the normal non-live image of debian
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1050 [10:05:51] <rozie> superlinux: with installer
1051 [10:07:36] <superlinux> rozie, yes, how exactly?
1052 [10:07:49] <superlinux> is there a script or something?
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1060 [10:11:57] <woshty> Shouldn't backports only depend on packages available in stable? Can I manual add what packages provides make:any somehow?
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1069 [10:15:35] <rozie> superlinux: there's ISO with installer on replaced-url
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1074 [10:17:17] <superlinux> rozie, I have been using debian since 2002. so what I am looking for is the method to install directly from debian live cd, and not from the usual installer method
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1077 [10:18:18] <rozie> superlinux: debootstrap, then
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1079 [10:18:37] <superlinux> ah ok.. i'll see about it.
1080 [10:19:06] <rozie> superlinux: replaced-url
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1082 [10:19:16] <rozie> this is pretty step by step checklist
1083 [10:19:32] <superlinux> ok thanks
1084 [10:20:26] <Ticho> would you trust google to translate a technical text correctly? :)
1085 [10:20:43] <superlinux> rozie, I don't know polish or whatever it's. I am Arab and I know Arabic and English
1086 [10:20:57] <rozie> translate.google.com
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1125 [10:41:44] <dionysus69> whats up with this?? I get this in firefox white trying to enter github Fastly error: unknown domain: github.com. Please check that this domain has been added to a service.
1126 [10:42:20] <blackflow> Hello. How do I prevent package manager from attempting to re/start services on installation/update? I was instructed to use policy-rc.d here, but I'm not sure what exactly I'm supposed to do with that.
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1129 [10:43:47] <blackflow> Found some artices that simply exits with 101 from that script, but that had fallout unrelated to services (logrotate blew up and caused alarm at 6am, our monitoring lost log files and raised all kinds of "systems down" alarms)....
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1161 [11:08:39] <k_sze[work]> Is there an idiomatic way to write an init.d script (or systemd unit file) to control a service that spawns multiple child processes?
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1164 [11:08:58] <k_sze[work]> (I prefer init.d script because it's more portable)
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1183 [11:16:24] <bitnap> Are man pages the recommend way of getting info on a command?
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1185 [11:17:08] <plasmoduck> so portable you can pack it in your suitcase and take it on your scooter with you
1186 [11:17:27] <plasmoduck> yes bitnap, that and google
1187 [11:17:51] <plasmoduck> man, then google, then here.
1188 [11:17:56] <blackflow> This bug is _still_ present on Jessie. I see comments suggesting a push to Jessie. Is there something else to do? replaced-url
1189 [11:17:57] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1219 [11:34:22] <Megaf> Good morning everyone, and web server experts here? Basically, I need some tool to run locally on my server, analizing the web server logs that will give me similar output of StatCounter or Google Analytics. So what I do not want, is something that will show how many visitors, how long they stayed, where they are from and so on. The web server I use are Lighttpd, nginx and HHVM, eventually I plan in switching everything to HHVM standalone.
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1221 [11:34:40] <FinalX> Piwik?
1222 [11:34:43] <Megaf> My servers are Debian Wheezy by the way
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1224 [11:34:49] <FinalX> Piwik is like locally run Google Analytics
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1226 [11:34:55] <blackflow> Megaf: webalizer is a good oldie but goldie.
1227 [11:34:57] <Megaf> FinalX: that was extremelly fast answer
1228 [11:35:37] <FinalX> It can work through javascript in the browser, like Analytics, but it can also parse webserver log files. Although it's not *so* great at parsing huge logs, because it tosses them all through a web backend instead of an actual local command line script.
1229 [11:36:14] <Megaf> I don't want to add any line of code in my website. I've been using statcounter but it slows down the website
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1231 [11:36:46] <Megaf> 00:01.89 to load with statcounter, 00:00.99 without.
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1233 [11:37:08] <urzds> Hello!
1234 [11:37:12] <FinalX> Piwik can work with parsing logs. It has a fancy web frontend with stuff much like Google Analytics.
1235 [11:37:19] <FinalX> You should give it a go, can't hurt :)
1236 [11:37:50] <Megaf> FinalX: and can I run it on a different box? Perhaps I could run it locally and access the logs via ssh or rsync
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1239 [11:38:07] <urzds> Does Debian have a special repository for -dbg packages? And a tool to find the -dbg package containing the symbols of a certain library or binary?
1240 [11:38:50] <FinalX> Megaf: well yes, you'll have to feed it the logs manually (and/or script it to be done, obviously); but you can also just feed it the logs over the network with the UI and DB running on box A, and you feeding it logs from box B.
1241 [11:38:53] <urzds> In the default (stretch) repositories there are only very few -dbg packages and I find myself unable to figure out where to search for the symbols for a certain executable.
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1251 [11:47:49] <Megaf> meh, piwik website is totally broken without javascript
1252 [11:49:08] <Megaf> webalizer is fine. I like it
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1259 [11:51:46] <jvava> hi
1260 [11:52:35] <jvava> i just want run a atftpd program but install a service, but always the process exit without any log
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1304 [12:24:15] <SmokeyD> hey everyone. I am running debian 7 on a beagle bone black without GUI. I am looking for a commandline version of something like network manager, that can remember different wifis and automatically connect to the one with the best reception. Anyone have a recommendation for which package to use?
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1308 [12:25:13] <SmokeyD> I am trying both network manager from the console and connman but have no luck, so before I ask help on any of them, first I want to figure out which one I should go with to begin with
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1316 [12:29:22] <woshty> SmokeyD: nmcli does not work for you?
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1319 [12:31:52] <alexxey> What is the default commit interval for as ext4 fs? 30sec or 5sec ?
1320 [12:31:59] <alexxey> Thanks.
1321 [12:32:08] <alexxey> s/as/an
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1325 [12:33:42] <jelly> SmokeyD, nmtui?
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1327 [12:34:41] <jelly> judd, file bin/nmtui --release wheezy
1328 [12:34:44] <judd> No packages in wheezy/amd64 were found with that file.
1329 [12:34:58] <jelly> maybe not in 7
1330 [12:35:08] <jelly> judd, file bin/nmtui --release jessie
1331 [12:35:12] <judd> Search for bin/nmtui in jessie/amd64: network-manager: usr/bin/nmtui
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1333 [12:36:47] <Ticho> alexxey: man ext4, look for "commit" option
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1335 [12:38:03] <alexxey> Ticho, Thanks. Turns out that 30sec is for btrfs.
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1343 [12:41:13] <SmokeyD> woshty: I just figured out that debian 7 (wheezy) has a network-manager that is too old
1344 [12:41:16] <SmokeyD> it doesn
1345 [12:41:20] <SmokeyD> t include nmtui
1346 [12:41:31] <SmokeyD> and you can't add wifis through nmcli
1347 [12:42:05] <rozie> SmokeyD: did you use wicd?
1348 [12:42:19] <rozie> it also has -cli and -curses agents
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1352 [12:42:58] <jelly> or maybe even upgrade to jessie? :-)
1353 [12:43:00] <SmokeyD> that was added in 0.9.6
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1356 [12:43:27] <SmokeyD> jelly: I am running a beagle bone black. I am not sure jessie works well for it
1357 [12:43:32] <SmokeyD> but I havent tried wicd yet no
1358 [12:43:51] <SmokeyD> I could try that first
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1363 [12:50:24] <blackflow> This bug is _still_ present on Jessie. I see comments suggesting a push to Jessie. Is there something else to do? replaced-url
1364 [12:50:33] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1383 [12:59:54] <themill> blackflow: it looks like it has fallen off the radar
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1385 [13:02:06] <blackflow> themill: so what's the recommended thing to do, bump the bug report?
1386 [13:02:36] <blackflow> or not.... "archived, no further changes may be made"
1387 [13:02:50] <themill> You can archive it
1388 [13:02:54] <themill> unarchive
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1394 [13:05:47] <blackflow> themill: k, thanks
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1404 [13:13:39] <atmc> hi, where can i find saved bug reports created with reportbug?
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1432 [13:28:31] <NoPinky> hello, I have an official image of jessie for the beaglebone black SoC computer, when I connect a usb wifi dongle to the board, debian will automatically create an accesspoint with it, thus preventing me to use it to connect to my wifi router as I intent to. Can someone please point me to the config file where this behaviour is setup? Thank you :)
1433 [13:29:03] <NoPinky> I'm not good with linux :)
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1437 [13:30:18] <teraflops> NoPinky: debian does not do such things I wonder how official that image is
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1440 [13:31:35] <NoPinky> well, it's officially referenced from the beaglebone website
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1442 [13:33:28] <NoPinky> teraflops: Just trying to say I'm using a stock image :). Sure it is no official release from debian, but as it is debian, I was hoping you guys could point me to the usual places in the configuration, where I can modify that
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1445 [13:34:28] <jelly> it's only official if you downloaded from debian.org
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1448 [13:35:14] <NoPinky> ok, so not official. Does that mean I'm on my own now, or can you help me, please?
1449 [13:35:15] <jelly> anything else, ask the people who created the image. In particular, debian does _not_ create an AP automatically
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1451 [13:35:40] <teraflops> NoPinky: oh don't misunderstand me I was just wondering
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1454 [13:37:51] <NoPinky> Yes, I thought so too that debian doesn't create this by default. But as with every distro, there are "best practices". Ofcourse I tried to ask in the beaglebone channel, but no reply int he last 8 hours for me, so I tried asking you
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1460 [13:41:53] <themill> NoPinky: is it hostapd that is running? removing that package or disabling the daemon would be an option
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1472 [13:48:06] <SmokeyD> NoPinky: funny, I am using debian on a beagblebone too
1473 [13:48:23] <SmokeyD> but I don't have it start a wifi by default at all
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1475 [13:48:45] <SmokeyD> at least, not as far as I can remember. By now I am changing things quite a little
1476 [13:48:55] <SmokeyD> I am running wicd now (as per rozie
1477 [13:48:58] <SmokeyD> s suggestion)
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1479 [13:49:09] <SmokeyD> which works nice rozie, thanks!
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1482 [13:50:27] <SmokeyD> NoPinky: with "apt-get install wicd" you can install wicd to manage your wireless network. I used the command "wicd-curses" to see my wireless networks and connect to them. But there is also a graphical version if you actually have a monitor connected to it
1483 [13:51:20] <NoPinky> Smokey: in the latest image, there is a comment int he /etc/network/interfaces file, it says that I should use connmanctl for wifi setup
1484 [13:51:22] <SmokeyD> NoPinky: ow wait, but if you're running JEssie on it, you can just use network manager
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1486 [13:51:32] <SmokeyD> ah, ok
1487 [13:51:37] <SmokeyD> I am running wheezy still
1488 [13:51:42] <SmokeyD> nevermind then
1489 [13:51:42] <SmokeyD> :)
1490 [13:51:46] <NoPinky> :D
1491 [13:52:18] <SmokeyD> How is the jessie image by the way? Is it running the webinterface with cloud9, bonescript, etc?
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1493 [13:52:31] <NoPinky> I also tried with wpa_supplicant because I've used it before on other distros, but this is also blocked from whatever was used to create the AP
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1496 [13:53:07] <SmokeyD> the package hostapd is used to setup linux as a wireless access point
1497 [13:53:17] <SmokeyD> so I guess you need to disable hostapd
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1502 [13:53:39] <NoPinky> SmokeyD: well, haven't tried it yet. But as far as I can see, it is the same webinterface like it was a year ago, when I connect to it via browser and usb
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1505 [13:54:42] <SmokeyD> ok, cool. I am quite happy with it. Using it quite a bit at the moment for testing and prototyping. I do want jessie though because of newer software version, but was afraid about jessie support on the BBB
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1508 [13:55:57] <NoPinky> ok, this sounds good. But what was the "autostart" config file for debian again? I mean there should be some lines of code that says: at boot, or when usb wifi dongle is connected ==> create AP. This declaration would not be removed when I just apt-get remove hostapd, right?
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1510 [13:57:08] <SmokeyD> NoPinky: debian uses systemctl (systemd)
1511 [13:57:32] <SmokeyD> I think "systemctl disable hostapd.service" should disable it
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1513 [13:58:09] <NoPinky> okay, I will try this now, thank you :). Will report back
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1516 [14:00:14] <blackflow> How do I prevent the package manager from attempting to re/start services on package installation/update? Someone recommended t use policy-rc.d, but I'm not sure exactly how.
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1519 [14:00:46] <themill> !policy-rc.d
1520 [14:00:46] <dpkg> [policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See replaced-url
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1524 [14:02:12] <blackflow> themill: I did exit 101 but that broke log rotation and I had a false emergency here at 6am as logs disappeared.... :)
1525 [14:02:29] <blackflow> is that grep dpkg conditional the relevant one to limit only to dpkg?
1526 [14:02:38] <blackflow> (looking at the script the bot linked)
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1538 [14:12:56] <Megaf> can anyone please port this replaced-url
1539 [14:13:13] <Megaf> the wheezy version of pngcrush is too old.
1540 [14:13:25] <Megaf> I really need the jessie version
1541 [14:13:31] <bazhang> !backport
1542 [14:13:31] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
1543 [14:14:20] <bazhang> theres a reference on how to get going Megaf
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1551 [14:15:54] <Megaf> oh, nevermind, wheey already has a newer pngcrush on backports
1552 [14:16:27] <Megaf> but not newer enough
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1554 [14:16:37] <Megaf> it doesnt have the -ow overwrite flah
1555 [14:16:43] <Megaf> flag
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1558 [14:17:23] <NoPinky> SmokeyD: strange, with systemctl I could see the hostapd.service listed, and with "systemctl disable hostapd.service" I removed it. restarted the system...and the accesspoint is still there. Any ideas?
1559 [14:18:00] <Megaf> I give up. I don't get it, now on my wheezy box I have a newer version of the pngcrush I have on my jessie box, yet it doesnt have the -ow flag
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1561 [14:18:39] <nkuttler> sometimes options get removed..
1562 [14:18:49] <nkuttler> ,v pngcrush
1563 [14:18:50] <judd> Package: pngcrush on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.7.9-1; squeeze: 1.7.9-1; jessie: 1.7.65-0.1; sid: 1.7.85-1+b1; stretch: 1.7.85-1+b1
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1565 [14:19:01] <nkuttler> nice. downgrade..
1566 [14:19:10] <nkuttler> actually, 65 > 9, never mind
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1569 [14:19:59] <Megaf> maybe it has to do with libpng?
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1571 [14:20:41] <nkuttler> Megaf: doubtful, it should pull in libs it was built against
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1573 [14:21:04] <nkuttler> what did -ow do anyway?
1574 [14:21:07] <Megaf> its linked to the systems libpng tho
1575 [14:21:16] <Megaf> nkuttler: it overwrites the file it is working on
1576 [14:21:20] <nkuttler> ah
1577 [14:21:22] <Megaf> instead of saving to a new file
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1579 [14:21:35] * themill knows of no version of pngcrush with that option
1580 [14:21:45] <Megaf> so if I want to optmize file.png, it overwrites it, instead of creating a new png file
1581 [14:21:45] <nkuttler> well, pngcrush [options] [infile.png] [outfile.png]
1582 [14:22:00] <nkuttler> looks like -ow is superfluous?
1583 [14:22:05] <Megaf> themill: the pncrush on jessie stable has -ow
1584 [14:22:35] <nkuttler> Megaf: not for me
1585 [14:22:59] <Megaf> this is what I'm trying to acomplish by the way. find . -type f -name "*.png" -exec pngcrush -ow -brute {} \;
1586 [14:23:20] <Megaf> actually find . -type f -name "*.png" -exec pngcrush -ow -reduce -brute {} \;
1587 [14:23:22] <Megaf> but still
1588 [14:23:50] <themill> Megaf: not documented :S
1589 [14:23:55] <Megaf> themill: sorry, I'm on Stretch now, strete's version has -ow
1590 [14:24:00] <Megaf> strechts
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1593 [14:24:21] <Megaf> Ok, I will just hack this thing
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1602 [14:29:07] <Megaf> Just created a portable version of pngcrush
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1615 [14:33:37] <dearfibonacci> hello is there any way to wake a display from terminal ? (screensaver disabled) the problem is that until
1616 [14:33:47] <dearfibonacci> I press the auto detect button on display it just wont wake
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1619 [14:34:39] <rafalcpp> dearfibonacci: maybe DISPLAY=:0 (or other number) and then xset like xset dpms force on or something
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1622 [14:35:10] <rafalcpp> dearfibonacci: that should allow you to make given X server to wake up it's physical monitor that is on standby, from a text console (and via remote connection like ssh) in general
1623 [14:35:39] <dearfibonacci> echo $DISPLAY gives no number but ps axu | grep "X " gives :1
1624 [14:36:10] <dearfibonacci> and when trying to do like: xset -display :1 dpms force on
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1626 [14:36:39] <dearfibonacci> it gives no protocol specified and unable to open display :1
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1630 [14:38:22] <dearfibonacci> maybe needs to run as normal user instead of root ?
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1649 [14:52:57] <bitnap> Do you need a powerful computer to use debian?
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1653 [14:54:17] <bezaban> bitnap: not at all, but it does of course depend on what you want to do with it
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1683 [15:09:20] <edi> bitnap: no, to the contrary :)
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1706 [15:19:25] <usbpersistence> i used created a live usb key with persistence using debian-live-8.5.0-i386-mate-desktop.iso and a 64 gig usb pendrive. I followed this guide: replaced-url
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1712 [15:25:38] <usbpersistence> He creado un pendrive usb de 64 gigas usando la imagen debian-live-8.5.0-i386-mate-desktop.iso siguiendo las instrucciones de replaced-url
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1718 [15:26:51] <dionysus69> zombie processes are leftover after I close atom or firefox dev version
1719 [15:27:01] <dionysus69> any ideas why? I cannot kill remove them
1720 [15:27:05] <greycat> !zombie
1721 [15:27:05] <dpkg> A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
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1723 [15:27:55] <dionysus69> thanks greycat :)
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1725 [15:28:09] <usbpersistence> i created a live usb key with persistence using debian-live-8.5.0-i386-mate-desktop.iso and a 64 gig usb pendrive. I followed this guide: replaced-url
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1734 [15:31:49] <dokma> Any way to replace all uses of a font in PDF from CLI? Like 's/ArialMT/Arial/' ?
1735 [15:32:26] <greycat> Does the font name appear in cleartext in the .pdf file, or is it all compressed?
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1738 [15:32:49] <dokma> greycat: grep showed no instances of airalmt in any case combo
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1740 [15:33:03] <greycat> then you can't do it with sed or perl -pi -e
1741 [15:33:08] <dokma> Perhaps I can uncompress it?
1742 [15:33:13] <greycat> Notafuckinclue.
1743 [15:33:22] <dokma> Me neither...
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1746 [15:33:34] <dokma> Didn't know PDFs were compressed.
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1750 [15:34:48] <unborn> greycat: hey, just thanks for last time when I had miserable mood ;)
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1763 [15:40:31] <dokma> greycat: decompressed it... now I can see a bunch of ArialMT around.
1764 [15:40:47] <dokma> I need to figure out which ones I can 's/ArialMT/Arial/'
1765 [15:40:50] <greycat> I hope you're operating on a copy of the original....
1766 [15:41:10] <dokma> absolutely
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1792 [15:50:53] <sikun> mc
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1798 [15:53:17] <rysiek|pl> hmm
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1800 [15:54:00] <rysiek|pl> I need to do a one-way sync from a webdav resource to a directory now and then and looking for the sanest command-line solution in Debian
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1803 [15:54:28] <rysiek|pl> so far it's either webdav-sync (a Java thing I would rather not use), or dav2fs + rsync
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1805 [15:54:40] <rysiek|pl> but it feels like there should be a simpler way
1806 [15:55:04] <rozie> you can mount webdav as FS
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1808 [15:55:18] <rysiek|pl> rozie: davfs2, yes
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1810 [15:55:59] <rozie> replaced-url
1811 [15:56:05] <rozie> exactly
1812 [15:56:20] <rysiek|pl> yeah, but I was hoping there's a solution that does not require mounting anything
1813 [15:56:29] <rozie> what's wrong with this solution?
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1815 [15:56:46] <rysiek|pl> feels a bit... layered
1816 [15:56:52] <rysiek|pl> 1. mount the davfs2
1817 [15:56:55] <rysiek|pl> 2. run rsync
1818 [15:57:14] <rysiek|pl> I hoped there's something that would do the sync in one step
1819 [15:57:21] <rozie> you can automount and keep it mounted
1820 [15:57:25] <rysiek|pl> I know
1821 [15:57:35] <MorpheusArch> shell script at startup maybe?
1822 [15:57:54] <rysiek|pl> this is going to be running in docker, so entrypoint script or somesuch, but yeah
1823 [15:58:14] <rozie> or script which mounts, make rsync, unmounts
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1826 [15:59:46] <rysiek|pl> ah
1827 [15:59:47] <rysiek|pl> replaced-url
1828 [15:59:54] <rysiek|pl> this might be what I'm looking for
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1882 [16:04:41] <rozie> rysiek|pl: let know if it works well
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1892 [16:07:28] <prillian5> I have made a debian-netinstall (expert). Is there no "root" user after installation?
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1896 [16:07:47] <MorpheusArch> did you enter a password for root?
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1898 [16:07:55] <prillian5> I can login with given name during install-process.
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1900 [16:08:04] <prillian5> I don't remember there was a prompt for it.
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1902 [16:08:13] <prillian5> And if, it has be the same as the user-password
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1905 [16:09:26] <prillian5> how can I find out, if the "root" user is now renamed with new Username?
1906 [16:09:29] <MorpheusArch> does the command 'su' work when your logged in?
1907 [16:09:36] <prillian5> Normally the root user has id 1000, right?
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1910 [16:09:46] <greycat> prillian5: no.
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1912 [16:09:49] <bezaban> prillian5: debian does not rename the root user, root is uid0 and disabled via ssh by default
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1915 [16:09:53] <prillian5> MorpheusArch: su prompt for password
1916 [16:10:04] <prillian5> but if I enter "reboot" he ask for passwort for user1
1917 [16:10:04] <MorpheusArch> enter your password and then ?
1918 [16:10:23] <prillian5> error on authentication
1919 [16:10:25] <bezaban> this does not sound like debian
1920 [16:10:35] <prillian5> debian8 netinstall
1921 [16:10:49] <bezaban> the reboot command is not even in a users path
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1923 [16:11:06] <prillian5> exactly... thas why I'm ask
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1925 [16:11:17] <prillian5> so how can I see the ID of an user
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1927 [16:11:22] <bezaban> id user
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1929 [16:11:44] <prillian5> ok, my first user seems to be root (id=1000)
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1931 [16:12:05] <bezaban> oh, if you created a user called root during install that may have caused problems
1932 [16:12:07] <greycat> prillian5: you are NOT MAKING SENSE.
1933 [16:12:07] <prillian5> so this may be the root-account.. .but strange, that su even ask for a password
1934 [16:12:22] <bezaban> perhaps expert mode wasn't optimal
1935 [16:12:31] <greycat> prillian5: su asks for a password if you are NOT already superuser (UID 0) when running it
1936 [16:12:31] <prillian5> i have no user wich named root
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1939 [16:13:02] <bezaban> reinstall or start making sense
1940 [16:13:15] <greycat> prillian5: awk -F: '$3 == 0' /etc/passwd
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1942 [16:13:20] <Filystyn> HELLO
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1944 [16:13:32] <Filystyn> How to fidn package for wxWidgets?
1945 [16:13:32] <prillian5> replaced-url
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1950 [16:14:23] <Filystyn> anyone here?
1951 [16:14:32] <MorpheusArch> yes
1952 [16:14:32] <Filystyn> i need the dev packet
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1954 [16:14:45] <Filystyn> how do i ind it like a nnormal person
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1957 [16:14:56] <Filystyn> not using browser just lookie here lookie there
1958 [16:14:59] <greycat> apt-cache search --names-only dev wxwidget
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1960 [16:15:07] <prillian5> awk command result in blank line (but won't give the curser free till CTRL+c"
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1963 [16:15:28] <greycat> prillian5: bullshit.
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1967 [16:15:32] <greycat> prillian5: learn to paste.
1968 [16:15:42] <prillian5> i have type it manually
1969 [16:16:01] <greycat> PASTE THE GOD DAMNED COMMAND DIRECTLY FROM IRC INCLUDING THE /etc/passwd ON THE END WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART
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1971 [16:16:40] <prillian5> greycat: I can't paste, it is a VNC-Web-Console :(
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1975 [16:16:56] <greycat> Then learn to read and type better.
1976 [16:17:37] <prillian5> greycat: thank you for your helping hands, but I have exactly typed like you post it:
1977 [16:17:43] <bitnap> Will the terminal use a differnment hotkey other than ctrl c and ctrl v so we can copy and paste easily
1978 [16:17:44] <greycat> (I do not know and do not WANT to know what is this thing you just named, so I am going to pretend you're a Windows user and dumb everything down accordingly.)
1979 [16:17:52] <prillian5> awk -F:'$3==0' /etc/passwd
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1984 [16:18:09] <greycat> That is not how I typed it. There is A SPACE between the -F: and the script.
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2013 [16:19:43] <prillian5> oh sorry. result in root:x:0:0:root:/roott:/bin/bsah
2014 [16:20:24] <greycat> ... OK, I can't take any more of that. *plonk*
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2017 [16:20:59] <greycat> Anyway, there you go. There is your root-level superuser account with UID 0. Its name is possibly "root" unless that was yet another typo you made.
2018 [16:21:02] <prillian5> ok, got it. Rootpassword was not set. I have to set is as user for root
2019 [16:21:25] <MorpheusArch> ...close enough
2020 [16:21:48] <hassoon> 'sup
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2023 [16:22:21] <hassoon> you can't set the password of the root user, as a regular user, if that's what you meant
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2026 [16:22:45] <greycat> Can't you? You'd need to supply the current password when prompted....
2027 [16:23:10] <greycat> Well, you'd also need to put sudo in front of it.
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2029 [16:23:23] <greycat> So I guess what you said was true.
2030 [16:23:27] <prillian5> greycat: yes, and sudo ask for my userpassword
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2032 [16:23:31] <hassoon> greycat: yep, sudo, not the user alone :v
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2034 [16:25:24] <MorpheusArch> I am able to become root with sudo su
2035 [16:25:30] <MorpheusArch> from there I can just passwd
2036 [16:25:38] <MorpheusArch> and enter a new password if that helps
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2038 [16:26:22] <greycat> MorpheusArch: you could simply do sudo passwd root
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2041 [16:28:07] <MorpheusArch> Or that :P
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2046 [16:29:53] <otyugh> hey
2047 [16:30:26] <hassoon> hey
2048 [16:30:34] <dvs> hey
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2050 [16:30:40] <NoPinky> hey
2051 [16:30:51] * hassoon heys around
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2054 [16:31:13] <Filystyn> FREEIMAGE repository
2055 [16:31:17] <Filystyn> i mean
2056 [16:31:18] <Filystyn> package
2057 [16:31:22] <Filystyn> this is pissing me off
2058 [16:31:25] <hassoon> Filystyn: what is it
2059 [16:31:29] <Filystyn> a lib
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2061 [16:31:42] <greycat> !enter
2062 [16:31:42] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
2063 [16:31:45] <hassoon> Filystyn: and what are you up to
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2068 [16:32:36] <themill> Filystyn: we've been through this too many times. Go away.
2069 [16:32:44] <FinalX> ... I was just about to say, lol
2070 [16:32:46] <hassoon> lewl
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2076 [16:35:27] <FinalX> themill: well thanks! now he's in ##linux again lol
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2100 [16:53:54] <erols> hey
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2106 [16:56:11] <pduersteler> I have a very strange problem that just started on a debian jessie machine. It's running php/mysql, top does not show any high cpu load, no i/o wait, there's enough free disk space and memory, but all commands executed are really slow. Like, I'm waiting 2-4 seconds until I get the shell prompt (default bash) again after e.g. running uptime. Anyone an Idea on how to troubleshoot this?
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2108 [16:56:29] <pduersteler> MySQL just went down a few minutes ago because of a table issue, which I got repaired
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2112 [16:57:12] <erols> erm...whenever i try to ssh to muh no-ip domain i get connection refused.
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2116 [16:57:39] <erols> i quite sure that i have done the port forward and everything
2117 [16:57:40] <greycat> pduersteler: any PROMPT_COMMAND? Any forked commands in PS1? Possibly bash is taking a long time to check your MAIL?
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2121 [16:58:17] <greycat> erols: verify that DNS is resolving as you expect
2122 [16:58:37] <erols> greycat: how do y do that?
2123 [16:58:52] <erols> should ii change something in muh /etc/host or something
2124 [16:58:52] <greycat> host, dig, nslookup, dnsqr, etc.
2125 [16:58:53] <erols> ?
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2127 [16:59:14] <greycat> No, you do not VERIFY things by modifying files.
2128 [16:59:18] <erols> host name.systes.net?
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2132 [17:00:36] <pduersteler> greycat: Did not set up anything inside .bash_profile or .bashrc regarding PS1 / PROMPT_COMMAND. There's also no mail for the current user.
2133 [17:00:52] <DoctorD90> hello! :D i setted apt-mirror file. I will run it when I will be connected to a flat adsl instead of my phone connection. Untill that moment I have a little question: what is the difference between using deb or deb-amd64 ?
2134 [17:01:08] <erols> greycat: host returns my ip address
2135 [17:01:55] <greycat> erols: what precisely is failing, and what is the exact output you get when it fails?
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2137 [17:02:52] <erols> greycat: ssh: connect to host nomei.sytes.net port 22: Connection refused
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2139 [17:03:35] <greycat> imadev:~$ ssh nomei.sytes.net
2140 [17:03:36] <greycat> ssh: Could not resolve hostname nomei.sytes.net: no address associated with name
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2142 [17:04:01] <jhutchins> pduersteler: Check dmesg and /var/log/syslog - look for disk errors. Install smartmontools and enable them for the disk.
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2144 [17:04:31] <erols> greycat: i intentionally gave you the wrong name.
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2147 [17:05:08] <erols> greycat: but the thing is...the error.
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2150 [17:05:25] <jhutchins> The only things I know of that lag if DNS isn't resolving are ssh and sendmail.
2151 [17:05:30] <greycat> You are either getting the wrong IP address out of DNS, or your sshd is not listening on the interface to which you are connecting.
2152 [17:05:37] <greycat> Or there is a firewall.
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2154 [17:06:09] <erols> greycat: how do you get around it then?
2155 [17:06:26] <greycat> BY DIAGNOSING THE FUCKING PROBLEM
2156 [17:06:43] <greycat> Which is not happening if everything you tell us is a lie.
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2158 [17:06:44] <hassoon> lewl
2159 [17:07:01] <han-solo> ssh name.sytes.net?
2160 [17:07:08] <pduersteler> jhutchins, dmesg shows nothing, syslog has no errors in it. will set up smartmoxntools
2161 [17:07:39] <han-solo> s/sytes/systes
2162 [17:08:22] <greycat> telnet nomei.systes.net 22 => SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.2p2 Ubuntu-6ubuntu0.1
2163 [17:08:30] <greycat> No wonder he lied.
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2168 [17:09:37] <han-solo> :)
2169 [17:09:47] <DoctorD90> anyone that used apt-mirror? :p
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2172 [17:11:07] <otyugh> erols this is most likely you didn't set up the nat rule needed on your router. thought it is considered bad practice to keep using port 22 when exposing to internet, even if it won't add much security, it's really easy to do
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2175 [17:12:06] <greycat> If han-solo's guess about erols's method of lying is correct, then erols is an ubuntu user (wrong channel), and his server *is* reachable, so the issue is on the client side. Possibly.
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2180 [17:12:48] <greycat> erols also mentioned /etc/hosts, and we have evidence that he is stupid, so he might have simply placed an incorrect entry in /etc/hosts which would then need to be REMOVED.
2181 [17:12:53] <greycat> There are many, many other possible causes.
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2188 [17:16:50] <capum321> hello, some friends help me yesterday discovering why my linux won't boot: i have added a entry in fstab: "UUID=133A62F042D4E436 /media/user/label ntfs-3g auto,user,rw 0 0" - without quotes - I commented, thus system went back which I am currently in. how could troubleshoot to allow it to mount on boot?
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2201 [17:19:36] <bgardner> capum321: Maybe use autofs for that instead of mount on boot?
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2214 [17:23:35] <unborn> capum321: you already asked.. however - what is your distro?
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2218 [17:25:18] <Darcidride> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly", i can't install anymore packages... Someone can help me please ?
2219 [17:25:29] <Darcidride> ops, sorry ^
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2222 [17:26:30] <bijan_> Hi I want to send email from my debian 8.5 server in case of an error on the server to my own email address. what is the EASIEST way? I don't want to configure a complex mail architecture. I just want to send a textmail
2223 [17:26:38] <Darcidride> Darcidride> Hi, my Raspbian is up ot date (Jessie version), everytimes i try to install a package i have this error "dpkg:../../src/unpack.c:123:deb_reassemble : internal error : unexpected exit status 11 from dpkg-split
2224 [17:26:38] <Darcidride> <Darcidride> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly", i can't install enymore packages... Someone can help me please ?
2225 [17:26:38] <Darcidride> <Darcidride> anymore*
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2236 [17:28:06] <Knaldgas> Trying to get usb automount to work through udev. I have a rule that runs pmount, but now pmount only creates the directory, but does not mount the actual device. Manually running the exact command shown by "udevadm test --action=add /sys/class/block/sdb1" acutally works. What am I missing?
2237 [17:28:27] <Knaldgas> It has worked previously, but one or another update appears to have broken it
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2240 [17:29:49] <Knaldgas> Debian Stretch
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2247 [17:31:41] <greycat> bijan_: exim is installed by default. Edit /etc/aliases and change the line that says "root: youruser" to "root: youremail@address" and run newaliases
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2249 [17:32:17] <greycat> bijan_: Also *test* that you can actually send mail to that site, by sending some mail. If that doesn't work, figure out if you need to use an ISP's smart host or something.
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2254 [17:34:53] <greycat> capum321: try adding the "nofail" option? Dunno for sure. That's what the man page (fstab) seems to say.
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2258 [17:35:52] <donttrustem> Hi guys, can anyone tell me why ctrl+c does not work from a terminal session?
2259 [17:36:03] <DoctorD90> greycat, any idea about my apt-mirror related question? :) (good morning ^_^)
2260 [17:36:17] <donttrustem> I have to do a ctrl+x then kill -9 the pid
2261 [17:36:26] <bijan_> greycat: thx.. I already installed postfix but I think I will remove it and install exim again
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2272 [17:42:54] <kiron> ahh it's a wonderful day
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2275 [17:43:08] <MorpheusArch> Just a quick question the debian administrators guide says you can use dpkg to install a linux kernel but everywhere else I seen talks about make all make modules make install
2276 [17:43:12] <MorpheusArch> whats better / best?
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2278 [17:43:51] <nkuttler> !tell MorpheusArch about kernel handbook
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2280 [17:43:58] * donttrustem is now really puzzled why ctrl+c does not work :(
2281 [17:45:04] <greycat> donttrustem: what the hell is ctrl-x?
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2283 [17:45:25] <MorpheusArch> thanks
2284 [17:45:27] <donttrustem> greycat: ctrl+x
2285 [17:45:33] <MorpheusArch> looks like a lot of reading though
2286 [17:45:33] <greycat> donttrustem: double-check the bindings in 'stty -a', then try ctrl-c (or whatever intr is bound to) at a PLAIN BASH PROMPT
2287 [17:45:36] <MorpheusArch> :P
2288 [17:45:49] <greycat> donttrustem: No, what the hell *is* it? Why would pressing ctrl-x or ctrl+x do anything?
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2290 [17:46:09] <donttrustem> greycat: yes pauses the process
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2293 [17:46:18] <greycat> donttrustem: so you have already changed your stty bindings?
2294 [17:46:26] <donttrustem> No
2295 [17:46:33] <greycat> susp is usually bound to ctrl-z NOT ctrl-x
2296 [17:46:36] <greycat> check stty -a
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2309 [17:52:16] <donttrustem> greycat: how do I change the mapping intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^?; kill = ^U; eof = ^D; eol = M-^?; eol2 = M-^?; swtch = <undef>; start = ^Q; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; rprnt = ^R; werase = ^W; lnext = ^V;
2310 [17:52:34] <donttrustem> intr = ^C
2311 [17:53:06] <greycat> I don't see ^X in that list so I don't know what the hell ^X is doing for you, or why it's doing it.
2312 [17:53:20] <greycat> Does ^C (ctrl+c) work at a PLAIN BASH PROMPT?
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2316 [17:53:57] <donttrustem> let me check tailing a log
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2320 [17:55:57] <capum321> ok here is output from "$ sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o auto,user,rw UUID=133A62F042D4E436 /media/user/label" replaced-url
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2322 [17:56:54] <donttrustem> greycat: yeah really strange it works tailing a log but it will not work with composer….
2323 [17:57:11] <donttrustem> really strange composer watch sass
2324 [17:57:25] <donttrustem> ctrl+c has a problem
2325 [17:57:32] <greycat> I do not know what "composer" is. Find its documentation or its support channel.
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2392 [18:29:03] <capum321> bgardner greycat ? did you read above?
2393 [18:29:21] <unborn> :D
2394 [18:29:39] <bgardner> capum321: No, one second
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2398 [18:30:58] <bgardner> capum321: Er, that paste seems fairly clear - what's your question?
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2400 [18:31:39] <capum321> no hibernation or fast restarting ?
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2402 [18:31:52] <capum321> nor...
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2407 [18:32:58] <bgardner> capum321: I'm not sure what to tell you; Windows left a flag on the volume as "unclean shutdown" that only Windows can clear. Either fix it via Windows or mount it read-only.
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2409 [18:33:27] <capum321> ok thanks
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2411 [18:34:20] <bgardner> capum321: Also, this is an area where I am stupid - I really don't use NTFS volumes from Debian. Others might have more wisdom.
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2485 [19:01:55] <EdB1250s> ping
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2556 [19:33:02] <domovoy> hi
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2559 [19:34:28] <domovoy> is there any way to stop apt/dpkg to automatically start daemons after installing them? or a hook i can use to alter the said daemon configuration before starting it? (second solution would be better)
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2564 [19:35:53] <greycat> No, there is no generalized way to do that.
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2596 [19:53:16] <SynrG> greycat, domovoy: i thought something like that happens automatically in a chroot
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2598 [19:53:42] <SynrG> of course, that's a special case.
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2609 [19:55:56] <SynrG> but maybe i'm confusing it with what live-build itself does. since it does quite a bit more than just make a chroot.
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2634 [20:05:22] <xoz> !ping
2635 [20:05:22] <dpkg> Sorry xoz, you're not online.
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2644 [20:07:37] <disi> got my daily Gnome freeze-up out of the way early this morning... am i the only one that this happens to?
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2674 [20:22:02] <taylor1> help
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2676 [20:22:23] <dvs> !ask
2677 [20:22:23] <SynrG> !ask
2678 [20:22:23] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2680 [20:22:28] <dvs> jinx
2681 [20:22:34] <zoelectrix> hi
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2683 [20:22:41] <EdB1250s> fui
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2690 [20:23:40] <unborn> greycat: have pro question - do you do win srvs too?
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2693 [20:24:16] <unborn> im just about to drop them from list of my things I do on my site.. just not sure about it..
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2696 [20:24:57] <taylor1> hi
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2703 [20:26:18] <iri> I'm running MATE on sid. I've configured the screensaver to "blank", but when I lock the screen it shows the debian wallpaper. How do I get it to blank the screen instead, or alternatively change the wallpaper? (Or where might I look?)
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2705 [20:26:35] <unborn> disi: all fine on my end.. since installed jessie I had one kernel panic only - and freeze - I unplug hdd by accident otherwise it works just perfectly
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2707 [20:27:02] <jhutchins> iri: If this is a sid-specific problem you might find more help in #debian-next on oftc.net.
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2709 [20:27:11] <unborn> iri: inst the sid testing?
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2711 [20:27:26] <unborn> perhaps debian-next channel would be better iri
2712 [20:27:43] <iri> OK. So this behaviour isn't consistent with expectations, then?
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2715 [20:28:06] <unborn> iri: ^^^
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2717 [20:28:58] <unborn> who can edit dpkg bot here?
2718 [20:29:36] <TomTomTo1> what do you want to change?
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2722 [20:30:18] <unborn> TomTomTo1: may I pm?
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2724 [20:30:30] <unborn> the ! ask answer..
2725 [20:30:46] <TomTomTo1> sure
2726 [20:31:24] <jhutchins> iri: Yes, it's consistent with expectations that sid might not work as expected.
2727 [20:31:37] <iri> jhutchins: :)
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2729 [20:32:00] <missmbob> it's been unchanged since 2003. seems like it's been working well
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2734 [20:32:23] <disi> unborn: I'm on jessie too... im thinking maybe im missing some packages. trying `sudo apt-get instll gnome`. it's weird that ive now had 2 updates in a row where it stops part-way thru and asks if im sure.
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2741 [20:35:29] <unborn> disi: how did you install ? gnome iso or netinstall? I generally do netinstall - as during the install all updates and latest packages are downloaded on the go.. it seems to me very unusual that you have random freezes. what graphics you do have?
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2752 [20:42:05] <SynrG> disi: and is it a laptop? if so, is it very new?
2753 [20:42:27] <SynrG> i know there are some intel chipsets that have issues only fixed in the most recent kernels
2754 [20:42:40] <SynrG> ,kernels
2755 [20:42:41] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.3-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
2756 [20:42:51] <SynrG> i.e. jessie-backports or later
2757 [20:42:58] <unborn> SynrG: I do run old hw but not that old and it works fine
2758 [20:43:05] <unborn> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian 8.5 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4200U CPU @ 1.60GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.30GHz ** RAM: Physical: 11.7GiB, 87.3% free ** Disk: Total: 427.8GiB, 21.4% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDMI1: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH ** Ethernet: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I218-LM **
2759 [20:43:05] <unborn> Uptime: 7h 56m 35s **
2760 [20:43:21] <unborn> SynrG: ^^^ no issues on my end - at all
2761 [20:43:46] <SynrG> well. not very helpful to disi, though.
2762 [20:43:51] * unborn likes greycat recommend me to switch my irc client :)
2763 [20:44:31] <unborn> SynrG: i was about what you said - recent intel chipsets issues..
2764 [20:45:39] <SynrG> unborn: and it's helpful how?
2765 [20:46:17] <unborn> SynrG: are you reading what I am typing?
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2769 [20:47:23] <SynrG> shall we enumerate all recentish intel chipsets that *do* work? and if we could, would that help disi?
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2771 [20:47:36] <unborn> SynrG: it was information for you perhaps - it was helpful as your kernel info..
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2773 [20:48:15] <unborn> I ask disi how and what she/he installed - there was no reply and unless I know the answer I cannot be more helpful can I?
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2775 [20:48:38] <unborn> SynrG: yeah lets do that.. its much better..
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2780 [20:50:00] <unborn> SynrG: I think she/he is not here any more..
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2807 [20:57:52] <SynrG> disi: what i was referring to was replaced-url
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2809 [20:58:45] <SynrG> personally, i've seen it on N3050 so far.
2810 [20:59:04] <SynrG> sorry, i mean N3700
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2829 [21:07:46] <unborn> you was are right on those...
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2880 [21:29:03] <zeta-> If you can't tap your touchpad install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
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2888 [21:31:10] <zeta-> I didn't have that installed when the driver changed, and haven't been able to tap since...
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2896 [21:33:10] <awal1> zeta-, what happens, you can't tap in touchpad?
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2903 [21:36:24] <zeta-> Can now! I've installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
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2906 [21:38:12] <awal1> if any, via terminal you can enable/disable that synclient TapButton1=(boolean 1/0)
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2914 [21:42:00] <awal1> Who is really behind tonvid dot com, used by smtube?
2915 [21:42:20] <teraflops> if you are in testing/sid libinput is the way to go though
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2927 [21:51:09] <disi> unborn, SynrG: sorry for the lag... i did a full install with no internet (until after gnome was up). this is a Lenovo Thinkstation D30 (workstation not laptop)
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2929 [21:51:32] <disi> well, maybe not an everything disc
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2935 [21:53:19] <unborn> disi: on lenovo I would go with net-install always - you need drivers download non free netinstall iso.. its strange coz most of lenovos should work with gnome right a way without issues..
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2937 [21:53:57] <dokma> Why would this: cat /tmp/xmr | xmacroplay ":0.0" work from the terminal but not from "Run program" or keyboard shortcuts?
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2940 [21:54:48] <unborn> disi: last two in bottom and click the first and then gnone on that install.. I do not see your system so its hardly saying what it could be wrong you know.. its possibly overkill but I would do reinstall (if you have /home separated then its just matter of minutes)
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2944 [21:56:19] <SynrG> disi: not the issue i cited, then
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2946 [21:56:41] <SynrG> But still, a backports kernel may be worth trying
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2950 [21:57:31] <disi> unborn: im only using the free sources fwiw i didnt separate /home... probably should have
2951 [21:57:57] <disi> we'll see if installing whatever i was missing from gnomne changes anything
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2955 [21:58:22] <pduersteler> question: the third column in the output of "last -x" is either an ip address or the kernel. When it's the kernel mentioned together, is it a system reboot due to e.g. an ACPI event / container shutdown from the virtualiser / etc?
2956 [21:58:22] <unborn> disi: you didnt need to but generally its good advice - you know when you have issues like this or sys upgrade or reinstall need it to be ? - its easier ;)
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2958 [21:59:35] <unborn> disi: yeah I would go with reinstall - clean system but netsintall downloads the parts from net - you need to know this - there is huge benefits - you will get latest version onto your system as it go via install..
2959 [21:59:52] <disi> unborn: i will have to remember that. it hasnt been a huge deal because i sync my data with other devices (using syncthing), but that takes longer and longer as i accumulate data
2960 [21:59:56] <unborn> disi: I mean the issue should stop.
2961 [22:00:25] <jelly> dokma, that's not a "program", that's a shell command line. This is a possible (single) program invocation: /bin/sh -c 'cat /tmp/xmr | xmacroplay ":0.0"'
2962 [22:00:27] <unborn> disi: rsync best option to sync data around (at least for me)
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2964 [22:00:47] <disi> unborn: so i would normally do a netinst, but at the office, we get MitM'd whenever we try to connect to anything via HTTPS. i need to figure out how to change my default gateway for the install process for the netinst to work
2965 [22:01:02] <unborn> disi: - but you know there is always endless thing to try to fix the issue right? just asking..
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2970 [22:01:36] <disi> ya... i could try switching to kde too :p
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2972 [22:02:04] <unborn> disi: i did worked in gov office and in schools - there is good great way to go around this.. if you have spare hdd and machine install deb in home - and clone it in work ;)
2973 [22:02:11] <disi> lately ive been considering switiching to sid too
2974 [22:02:24] <unborn> disi: updates later you can deliver via hdd or dvd ;)
2975 [22:02:39] <disi> unborn: that wouldnt help with the driver issues tho, right? it would need to be the same maachine
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2978 [22:02:53] <unborn> ...so you can always update even if you offline :) disi
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2980 [22:03:10] <unborn> disi: it would
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2983 [22:03:31] <unborn> disi: just burn dvd with all debian firmware and install what you need on that machine
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2985 [22:03:36] <unborn> :)
2986 [22:03:39] <jelly> disi, debian does not use https for repos by default. if http or ftp goes thru you ought to be fine
2987 [22:03:49] <unborn> there is always the way how to do it
2988 [22:03:56] <jelly> !firmware images
2989 [22:03:57] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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2992 [22:04:18] <jelly> ^^ if it's really lack of firmware that's the issue
2993 [22:04:19] <unborn> disi see what jelly just said - so you are free :)
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2996 [22:04:58] <disi> jelly: oh i misspoke... the issue is that there is no external ipv6 connectivity, only internal. so i get an ipv6 address and debian tries to use it but cannot get to the outside world.
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3000 [22:05:27] <jelly> disi, does it get a default route for ipv6?
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3009 [22:06:22] <jelly> if it does but you can't actually get to public internet, tell your networking people to fix it?
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3013 [22:07:15] <unborn> jelly: trust me in UK and possibly anywhere else - it will not work.. as sys I can tell you my boss will be asshole and will not like it
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3015 [22:07:36] <unborn> however I did gave it solution (him/her)
3016 [22:07:37] <jelly> apt-get (and related commands) do try ipv6 first then ipv4 in many situations if 'v6 fails
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3020 [22:08:36] <disi> jelly: well its disabled now, but a coworker checked and has a default route to what i think is a link-local ipv6. so ya, probably
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3056 [22:20:13] <awal1> any advice on how to make shellex use the primary monitor?
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3061 [22:22:21] <awal1> no display / monitor references in docs. and googling I only get result about windows shell :(
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3065 [22:23:01] <awal1> looking for something like dmenu_run -m 0 (for make dmenu use the fisrt monitor)
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3068 [22:23:23] <unborn> awal1: cosider me stupid but what is shellex? I've been running live gentoo and knoppix back in early 90s - I possibly must sleepover my millennium but what on earth is shellex?
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3073 [22:25:09] <radw62> hello
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3077 [22:25:37] <unborn> radw62: well hi there
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3082 [22:27:04] <unborn> - anyone - what is shellex?
3083 [22:27:43] <awal1> unborn "shell-based launcher. shellex is supposed to be a dmenu-style launcher with a lot more features and a lot simpler design. It launches a shell (currently zsh) and shows it in a small terminal, wrapping every command with a little bit of extra magic (redirecting stdout, stderr, disowning and closing the shell) to get more typical launcher-behaviour. This gives you a simple launcher with tab-completion and other shell-features, configurable in shell."
3084 [22:27:45] <unborn> awal1: just re-read your comments - shellex is windows creappy thing?
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3086 [22:28:23] <unborn> okay got you awal1 but is that - windows thing?
3087 [22:28:35] <awal1> unborn, no man
3088 [22:28:48] <awal1> its a deb pkg
3089 [22:28:55] <awal1> ,v shellex
3090 [22:28:56] <judd> Package: shellex on amd64 -- stretch: 0.1-1; jessie: 0.1-1; sid: 0.1-1
3091 [22:29:38] <awal1> it's a great tool :P
3092 [22:29:49] <unborn> awal1: okay - so - i nod that and my bad - sorry.. perhaps im not long enough in linux world to know it all. - i cannot help you with this one :(
3093 [22:30:07] <awal1> unborn, np
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3097 [22:31:26] <TomTomTo1> you can look into /usr/lib/shellex/ and see if there is anything related. if so, change the config at /etc/shellex/ or $HOME/.shellex/
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3105 [22:33:45] <awal1> TomTomTo1, nvm, . sorry guys. It was there in man but I have missed it several times. I have to set URxvt.shellex.pos: pointer via XressourcesXdefaults for get it to show where the mouse pointer is
3106 [22:34:13] <beckks> hi there, last night my pc shut down while i slept. how can i find out what happened? unfortunatly, i had to remove a fuse today while the pc was turned on. i do not know if this matters or if relevant data could have been lost.
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3110 [22:34:59] <awal1> pointer or focus ^
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3113 [22:35:33] <unborn> beckks: in your logs - have look in to your log files.. in /var
3114 [22:35:44] <unborn> ...logs - the log you want
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3117 [22:36:36] <unborn> beckks: in /var/log/......
3118 [22:37:03] <unborn> as root or if you did not setup your root passwords - do sudo..
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3129 [22:42:00] <beckks> unborn: thanks. i already looked in /var/log/messages, there is one entry about rsyslogd (rsyslogd was HUPed), but i don't know what that means. what are other logfiles i could look at?
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3140 [22:47:54] <awal1> beckks, as I know you MAY find a few stuff logged via dmesg, but seems that the only way is replaced-url
3141 [22:47:56] <unborn> beckks have look at the timing of your loggs - like auth and root stuff - the user who could turn your machine off.. also - have look at your bios - for heat events - like your machine did overheated - it can happen easy - you know what I mean?
3142 [22:48:12] <awal1> but that will be for next reboot/shutdown
3143 [22:48:28] <asir> is there a git repo Russell Coker's SELinux reference policy, or maybe a Debian one? I'd like to check out a up-to-date code
3144 [22:48:40] <unborn> awal1: i have to ask you - are you do own server?
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3146 [22:48:50] <unborn> or manage one perhaps?
3147 [22:49:25] <awal1> unborn, no at all
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3149 [22:51:02] <awal1> unborn, many users here use debian for server stuff, just ask...
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3151 [22:51:15] <beckks> unborn: i don't really know what you mean, this never happened in the last 4 years or so. i noticed entrys in /var/log/syslog: Aug 1 07:17:01 debian CRON[10453]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
3152 [22:51:16] <beckks> Aug 1 07:17:01 debian CRON[10453]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
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3156 [22:52:22] <unborn> awal1: so - as you do not - you do realise that every single machine out there is running very same matter as server right? how on bloody earth you can refer user to check some - fucking - website to check the logs - logs in any system - be it linux or unix will tell you - everything! I told the user to check the logs - what you did - just gave out some bullshit info to - actually do WHAT???? do you realised that your system is actually running logs at
3157 [22:52:22] <unborn> all? - what you doing man?
3158 [22:53:47] <unborn> beckks: possibly overheat of your machine - .. have look on cron.hourly - what it is and also have look who is running it - its your or root and if so - why . just follow the log files.. it does tell you a lot
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3160 [22:55:00] <awal1> unborn, slow down slow down; that depends on what he is really looking for...
3161 [22:55:15] <awal1> I guess you are a clue less about the power of systemd...
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3164 [22:56:46] <unborn> awal1: I did have you 3 times on my ingore list - I do nods folks who learn - but - even if you do - please do FUCKING think what do you advice to debian folks around - we are not some kind of cowboys running around here... - can you respect me and other debian old folks here? we will do same backwards but please - if you do not know the answer - please - dont tell any bullshit - and reply to the issue.. - THANKS - MUCH APPRECIATED FELLA.
3165 [22:58:26] <unborn> - SORRY again for same crap happening.. im just too old for it.. any debian chan folks feel free to mute me on this one here.
3166 [22:58:56] <awal1> I think you need to go out and walk a bit...take a bit of air..
3167 [22:59:38] <greycat> Logs showing that cron.hourly got executed are not interesting.
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3170 [22:59:48] <greycat> cron.hourly gets executed... hourly. Yawn.
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3172 [23:00:46] <beckks> okay i did not really want to post my last message already. my middle mouse key is fucked up. this entry repeats every hour (07:17, 08:17, etc) till 11:17. i woke up maybe at 12 and realized my computer was turned off. the rsyslogd entry in /var/log/messages is from 6:25. what does this mean? thanks for the other information.
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3174 [23:01:01] <unborn> awal1: i do not care what is it clue less or whatever rubbish you go on all those weeks - I follow debian and I do believe in debian - I do not follow the rubbish - well finally I perhaps get the ban but someone have to tell you.. stop doing your idiotic know how - you do help sometimes but most of the times - you eat and poo nothing.. - take the truth.
3175 [23:01:33] <beckks> greycat: oh okay, haha
3176 [23:02:03] <greycat> beckks: a sudden *absence* of cron.hourly log lines would show you at what point the computer was no longer running. At least within a 1-hour window.
3177 [23:02:13] <unborn> greycat: can you mute me again (like last time you did grate favour to me - or mute that - useless) - whatever OPs just do the right thing.
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3180 [23:02:51] <unborn> greycat: is perhaps right awal1 - focus always on user - only user is the light
3181 [23:02:59] <unborn> *end user
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3187 [23:04:56] <unborn> awal1: I like your passion regards the debian but so far - you have no know-how - and sometimes I do even be quiet when I do not know.. but regards logs - I do voice strong - and you should do same as fellow user
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3190 [23:05:10] <TomTomTo1> unborn: would you stop already?
3191 [23:05:14] <unborn> awal1: we should share it.
3192 [23:05:31] <unborn> TomTomTo1: - i did . thank you
3193 [23:05:54] <TomTomTo1> srsly, all this drama has no place here.
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3203 [23:08:56] <unborn> TomTomTo1: when you do 873 debian business converts - with pro support - and user giving shit out there like he is giving out - yeah call me drama queen - all Ive asked was legit stuff - we all know it.. so yeah srsly - im debian and I am trying to help folks here - som I am srsly - you know
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3205 [23:09:30] <unborn> TomTomTo1: its end for me anyway.. got ingore list
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3219 [23:14:46] <awal1> unborn, I was away and not learning you :D But I just did it. I haven't seen your name somewhere as at least A DD/DM if you argue you know all about gnu/linux. I'm a new end debian user; I try to help as I can...Thats all. Anyway...
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3225 [23:17:22] <Akuw> hi
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3228 [23:18:17] <Akuw> i am looking for a job in sysadmin, but i don't have experience with servers in DNS, Mail, DHCP and VPN
3229 [23:18:26] <unborn> awal1: i am no one to linux and you should put me and my ip and nick name to ignore list - you dont have to be sorry for to be new to us but - you should admit that some issues you tried to help here are just abowe your - knowledge - and it is hurting us how know even just a bit about the issue to give out wrong advice - I do really appreciate and I do love your passion for it - but you do have to realise that folks have running os on different specs
3230 [23:18:26] <unborn> you do have and with different configs you do run.. - we are same sure - but computers are not the same.. - that was all my message.
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3234 [23:18:30] <Akuw> so, what level of support i can work?
3235 [23:18:32] <dondelelcaro> unborn: please stop.
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3241 [23:20:06] <dondelelcaro> Akuw: that's not really on topic here; ##linux may be your best bet for guidance. But that said, the best thing to do is to learn those skills.
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3244 [23:20:11] <Akuw> i got one certification basic
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3247 [23:20:37] <Akuw> thanks
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3251 [23:22:32] <awal1> excuses guys, but I have one and last question for unborn. unborn, when you say "us" I would like to know what you did for debian project apart a few "try to do this or that in this channel"?
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3255 [23:24:03] <dondelelcaro> awal1: please stop; it's not really helpful.
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3303 [23:54:33] <quinnw> Can I change the behavior of notifications in Debian, so that a command is run when the system gets a notification from an application?
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