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this is #debian an IRC -Channel at freenode (freenode IRC service closed 2021-06-01)
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1 [00:00:35] <Time-Warp> its like the kernel crashes its intenese jelly
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11 [00:09:53] <simbalion> Hi, I'm using Jessie and some videos won't play their audio, I used mediainfo on this video and it says the codec is AAC, which I read is part of libavcodec-extra, so I installed that but it still doesnt play: replaced-url
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15 [00:11:12] <FlyingPotato> Hi, quick question, what comes first: /var/log/messages or /var/log/rsyslod_output ?
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17 [00:11:15] <simbalion> I should add that it does play in vlcplayer, but not smplayer or firefox
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20 [00:12:28] <ewew> well. The problem was behind the keyboard and a chair.
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25 [00:17:39] <emankcin> ewew: Most of the issues I encounter fall into that category
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30 [00:20:24] <bagbobilgins> ewew: shortcircuits between the headphones brought a lot of us here, initially, I would wager
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42 [00:26:25] <van> guys i have a new installed debian jessie with xfce and lightdm.I a trying to swich user and when i run " dm-tool switch-to-greeter" i am going to a black screen.WHY?
43 [00:26:42] <ewew> the worst thing is that those flags are enabled by default. :-D
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49 [00:33:18] <johnkeates> van: don't, just log out or lock session from the GUI
50 [00:33:46] <van> why?
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52 [00:34:20] <johnkeates> because it doesn't work
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55 [00:34:42] <van> johnkeates, lol.ok thanks
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57 [00:35:26] <johnkeates> it might work with a different DM or with different session settings
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80 [00:45:58] <captbiz> do i need anything besides `deb replaced-url
81 [00:46:13] <captbiz> i added the security.debian.org and was getting errors
82 [00:46:27] <petemc> security is for stable
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84 [00:47:11] <captbiz> ah ok that makes sense thanks
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127 [01:17:54] -SpaghettiDerp- I am the Prophet. I was sent here by the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER to ask you all to join ##TheFlyingSpaghettiMonster
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144 [01:28:46] -SpaghettiDerp- the gnaa has returned! long live goat sex!
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146 [01:29:15] <opal> ✡ SpaghettiDerp seriously what the hell ג'וד
147 [01:29:25] <SpaghettiDerp> LOL POOP
148 [01:29:36] <opal> ✡ you cant troll pal ג'וד
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150 [01:29:44] <SpaghettiDerp> yeah i can
151 [01:29:47] <SpaghettiDerp> and i am
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155 [01:31:24] <SpaghettiDerp> * * * * *G*O*A*T*S*E*X* * * * *
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218 [02:11:05] <tty0_> Hi, i am trying to use debootstrap with ISO image source (loop mount). debootstrap is complaining that dists/jessie/Release.gpg is missing. Why Release.gpg is not distributed with the iso images?
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241 [02:29:52] <dale____> Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) 64-bit and Gnome, no scroll arrows and scroll bar moves too fast, using default Adwaita theme, system theme choice is locked
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277 [02:58:17] <adamrt> Not debian specific, but not sure where to ask. I only open ssh on my firewall. Is there an example of a way to allow all access from an ip automatically after someone ssh in?
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281 [03:01:03] <karsten> adamrt: You could trigger an iptables (or whatever its new replacement is) rule to run granting an allow all from that IP after login.
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283 [03:01:16] <karsten> adamrt: Usual question: what are you trying to do?
284 [03:01:41] <karsten> adamrt: And why not use ssh itself to port forward from that address?
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350 [03:48:58] <canopus> Hi
351 [03:49:29] <canopus> When I run the Debian installer, my computer freezes in the network hardware detection step
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370 [04:02:59] <emankcin> canopus: Freezes how?
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384 [04:23:30] <adamrt> karsten: I use a remote machine for development. i ssh in and use emacs. I run http/sql/redis/etc servers that i like to connect to from my local machine but dont want to manually manage the firewall rules
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386 [04:24:37] <canopus> emankcin: I can't move the cursor and the keyboard doesn't work
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405 [04:48:50] <awal1_> canopus, try text mode
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426 [05:04:51] <ohyeah_> hi guy
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496 [05:59:23] <joqmos_> Hey! I was wondering, is there a way to install mesa without installing unnecessary drivers (nouveau, radeon)?
497 [05:59:42] <joqmos_> Or should I ask in #mesa, rather?
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509 [06:07:02] <hypermist> my debians trying to use ipv6 mirrors how can i make it so its not ?
510 [06:07:32] <Dagger> hypermist: there's probably something wrong with your v4
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512 [06:07:40] <hypermist> it wasworking
513 [06:07:44] <hypermist> and NOW its f0cked lol
514 [06:07:46] <Dagger> try `wget <mirror url that apt-get is trying to download>` and see what it says
515 [06:08:15] <hypermist> but question Dagger im connected via ipv4 im on it right now talking to you via my znc
516 [06:08:44] <Dagger> maybe something's wrong with the *mirror's* v4
517 [06:09:08] <hypermist> my whole is fucked.. wow
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519 [06:09:21] <hypermist> every .deb is justgiving 404'sd
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521 [06:10:29] <hypermist> i'll fix this dont worry...
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523 [06:10:59] <hypermist> i think i fixed ?
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545 [06:27:50] <rubber> Hi I have error When ever I try to Start steam I get error steamui.so when I executethe program.
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551 [06:29:50] <bagbobilgins> rubber: could you paste the stdout?
552 [06:30:02] <rubber> yeah
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557 [06:31:40] <rubber> replaced-url
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578 [06:45:36] <bagbobilgins> oh, he went
579 [06:45:41] <bagbobilgins> 32 bit libs
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645 [07:34:38] <dka> Why is my crontab not working, and how can I troubleshoot it? : "0 12 * * * root backup create && backup push"
646 [07:34:49] <dka> Command work fine
647 [07:36:06] <themill> dka: which file are you putting this in?
648 [07:36:38] <dka> themill: "/etc/cron.d/host-cron"
649 [07:37:11] <themill> and where is the "backup" command?
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651 [07:37:31] <dka> "/root/paas/scripts/backup"
652 [07:37:45] <themill> That's unlikely to be in $PATH
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654 [07:37:51] <dka> Oh right, cron doesn't have my PATH right ?
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656 [07:38:06] <themill> correct. You can set PATH in the crontab or just be explicit
657 [07:38:24] <dka> When I do echo $PATH, it is in my path
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659 [07:39:06] <themill> but cron is not running inside your login shell where PATH is being set
660 [07:42:22] <dka> themill, it is, in /etc/environment
661 [07:42:22] <dka> Ok, I got it, crontab use a minimum of env
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673 [07:46:53] <themill> I'd have expected cron to pick up that because pam_env is used by cron, but perhaps not for all sessions
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680 [07:54:01] <dka> Hi, I am running a cronjob on my debian OS and it refused to send email because "No MTA is installed", Is there a way to configure an external mail server ? My mail-server is running on docker.
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684 [07:56:10] <babilen> dka: Look into nullmailer, ssmtp and msmtp
685 [07:56:20] <themill> dka: cron wants to be able to send it via /usr/sbin/sendmail, it doesn't talk to the network. You can install something like dma or nullmailer to push the mail off to the host
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687 [07:57:33] <dka> I will have a look at ssmtp then
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747 [08:49:00] <nagra> What i can possibly do to reduce heat on laptop?
748 [08:49:34] <nagra> till now I have installed powertop and thermal, they have reduced heat little bit
749 [08:49:46] <nagra> thermald*
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761 [08:54:43] <babilen> nagra: Sounds as if you've done a lot. Depending on particular platforms there might be more specific tools you can use (e.g. tlp on thinkpads), but this is mostly determined by the hardware platform and there might not be much you can do in software
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764 [08:55:15] <babilen> Better fan management and cpu scaling is one thing, so you could look into installing newer kernels and updating your firmware
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770 [09:01:36] <nagra> babilen: how can i controll fan and cpu scaling? my current governer is to powersaving
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772 [09:02:03] <nagra> and I am using debian on macbook air
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779 [09:05:12] <bitnap> How can you safely abort apt-get install?
780 [09:05:20] <bitnap> But can't find the process?
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786 [09:07:58] <Pwnna> maybe i'm looking at the wrong place, but for overlayfs.. can you write to an upper directory outside the overlayfs mount, and then mount it as the upper and it will just work?
787 [09:08:05] <peterrooney> bitnap: many ways; killall apt-get, or maybe kill -15 $(pidof apt-get)
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790 [09:08:38] <Pwnna> like let's say you want to mount /upper into /chroot as the upper directory. However, you want to have /etc/resolv.conf prefilled in /upper, so you write to /upper/etc/resolv.conf. After mounting into /chroot, will /etc/resolv.conf in the chroot refer to the upper one?
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793 [09:10:00] <bitnap> Does apt stay under 1000?
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805 [09:13:13] <peterrooney> bitnap: stay under 1000 what?
806 [09:13:21] <bitnap> apt-get
807 [09:13:25] <bitnap> the pid
808 [09:13:59] <peterrooney> bitnap: the pid can be pretty much anything.
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816 [09:19:30] <bitnap> When I run apt-get install it tells to use dpkg --configure -a
817 [09:19:37] <bitnap> replaced-url
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830 [09:28:26] <peterrooney> bitnap: now you have to find and run nvidia-installer
831 [09:28:32] <peterrooney> ,v nvidia-installer-cleanup
832 [09:28:33] <judd> Package: nvidia-installer-cleanup on amd64 -- squeeze-backports/contrib: 20111111+1~bpo60+1; wheezy/contrib: 20120630+3; wheezy-backports/contrib: 20131102+1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 20141201+1; jessie-backports/contrib: 20151021+1~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 20151021+4; sid/contrib: 20151021+4
833 [09:28:42] <bitnap> Apt is giving me error code 1
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836 [09:30:56] <peterrooney> bitnap: "dpkg -L nvidia-installer-cleanup | grep installer$" 9without quotes) should tell you where the nvidia uninstaller binary is located
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838 [09:32:02] <peterrooney> s/9/(/ ; # error, late at night
839 [09:32:02] <bitnap> I ran that comamnd and it did not list any paths
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894 [10:14:23] <unborn> dka: you can use gmail for sending mails, just install sendemail (not sendmail)
895 [10:16:22] <sikun> anyone use google's 2FA pam module using it for 2FA SSH logins?
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903 [10:20:14] <dutchfish> sikun, what is your question?
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905 [10:22:33] <sikun> dutchfish, how critical is time synchronization between the server and the device generating the code
906 [10:23:50] <dutchfish> sikun, i believe it is max a few minutes, any ntp sync will do much better then that, not for the lifetime of the session codes, it is much shorter
907 [10:24:42] <dutchfish> sikun, in practise i dont see any trouble with timekeeping, that is if your devices are setup correctly
908 [10:25:35] <dutchfish> sikun, i use other methods for 2FA as well
909 [10:25:41] <sikun> trying to gather opinions/actual production environments where this has been implemented, etc.. looking into securing our servers a bit better.
910 [10:26:01] <sikun> what would you recommend as being the most secure?
911 [10:26:03] <dutchfish> sikun, it is 'testing' at my side
912 [10:26:36] <dutchfish> sikun, consider using ssh keys the old fashion ways and ip limiting
913 [10:26:58] <sikun> ~550 servers and SSH key auditing is always a nightmare...
914 [10:26:59] <apt> sikun: okay
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916 [10:27:06] <dutchfish> sikun, beside the obvious no root login and rate limiting
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918 [10:27:21] <dutchfish> sikun, centralize it
919 [10:27:33] <sikun> sadly... root login is allowed, but restricted to the main management subnet
920 [10:27:43] <sikun> well, SSH is restricted
921 [10:27:53] <dutchfish> sikun, i use a separate administrative lan for that
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925 [10:28:32] <sikun> same here, certain users have their port on the switch trunked w/ all the subnets they need access to
926 [10:28:49] <dutchfish> sikun, read the debian wiki's for more hardening
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928 [10:29:02] <sikun> but, we aren't a 24/7 staffed office so we have to be able to access via remote.
929 [10:29:14] <dutchfish> ...
930 [10:29:16] <sikun> going through certain machines
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932 [10:29:55] <sikun> VPN/RDP or a single box w/ SSH unrestricted (which I truly hate)
933 [10:30:36] <dutchfish> sikun, the safest thing is manual intervention iow we need to call i guy to flip a switch then 2FA enables acces to the adm lan
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935 [10:30:51] <dutchfish> sikun, period
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937 [10:31:24] <sikun> because I guess at a minimum I'd like 2FA on that single box with SSH open to all.
938 [10:32:03] <dutchfish> sikun, well, anything can be hacked, even 2FA is not 100% secure, but it is better then nothing
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940 [10:32:28] <sikun> I mean yeah, we have fail2ban, all that jaz.. but I think we have a PCI compliance audit coming up and I'm trying to just tidy a few things up. The network for the audit is 99% isolated from anything else.. but still...
941 [10:32:29] <dutchfish> sikun, use manual intervention on top of it, my 2 cents
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943 [10:33:05] <sikun> dutchfish, like I mentioned though, there isn't always someone in the data center or office.
944 [10:33:12] <dutchfish> sikun, if it is that missionn critical
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946 [10:33:25] <dutchfish> sikun, yes
947 [10:33:26] <sikun> I typically will drive to the data center
948 [10:33:27] <sikun> most of the time
949 [10:33:33] <sikun> and access on site
950 [10:33:51] <sikun> just depends on what the issue is
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955 [10:35:01] <dutchfish> sikun, i am a bit biased, but my advice is, better safe then sorry
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958 [10:35:54] <sikun> this data center provides bandwidth/IP transit for a WISP, and a thought I had was if the owner would pay to have the three engineers hooked up over this WISP all on our own vlan with access into a still somewhat restricted section of the network but still more access and less driving.
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960 [10:36:34] <sikun> 2 out of the 3 of us live an hour away.
961 [10:37:02] <dutchfish> sikun, vlan is about the worst protection of all the ones mentioned before, again use a manual intervention setup routine as part of it
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965 [10:37:56] <dutchfish> sikun, unless you have excellent L3 switches, if not dont rely on vlan solely.
966 [10:37:56] <sikun> dutchfish, I understand what you're saying, where you're coming from. I'm just voicing thoughts to process them.
967 [10:38:06] <sikun> I know some are stupid ideas but need to get them out, haha.
968 [10:38:27] <dutchfish> np, keep it safe
969 [10:38:36] <sikun> we do have some newer cisco's
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971 [10:38:48] <dutchfish> no comment
972 [10:38:55] <sikun> not a cisco fan?
973 [10:39:08] <sikun> I'm not, I'd rather it be Juniper.
974 [10:39:14] <sikun> too expensive though.
975 [10:39:18] <dutchfish> no comment even more
976 [10:39:21] <sikun> haha
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978 [10:39:26] <sikun> what's your choice?
979 [10:39:54] <dutchfish> this is to offtopic, and i rather not mention brands in here
980 [10:39:59] <sikun> ok
981 [10:40:33] <dutchfish> sikun, but feel free to join #d-o
982 [10:40:48] <sikun> I want to do away with two boxes that have been setup as 'master box's' as they have root SSH keys FOR EVERY server.
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986 [10:41:20] <sikun> oops
987 [10:41:27] <DonAlex> Hey all.
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989 [10:42:38] <DonAlex> Does anyone know if it is possible to compile a packages to include static libraries when it is normally using shared one? I want to send someone a package but not break their older system because they don't have Qt5 available to them
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997 [10:47:28] <Janko> Hello. I have a debian VM on openvz host. My VM doesn't obtain IP address on venet0 interface. Could something be misconfigured on VM side or is it host's fault?
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1012 [10:50:32] <hexnewbie> Janko: Not familiar with OpenVZ, but do you have a DHCP in the network (bridge, I presume) where venet0 is connected to?
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1016 [10:51:43] <Janko> I don't know, It's a commercial VPS
1017 [10:52:35] <hexnewbie> Janko: Contact your VPS provider for support then.
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1020 [10:54:35] <Janko> Will do. I was just trying to make sure I didn't mess up anything on my end
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1026 [10:57:05] <hexnewbie> Janko: There are a few things that *might* break DHCP on the client (VM) side, but are hopefully unlikely: 1) removed / broken DHCP client (dhclient/dhcpcd), 2) misconfigured network (e.g. you told it to not use DHCP) - but in this case, you still contact the provider for the proper configuration, 3) over-achieving iptables or other filtering rules that block DHCP traffic
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1033 [10:59:41] <hexnewbie> Janko: I'll admit that it is strange for the network on a VPS provider to just stop working. Other clients would probably complain right away. So I doubt there's something broken there, but they still know better what your problem might be than anyone here does.
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1037 [11:01:30] <Janko> Well there was an outage yesterday, and the VPS was rebooted
1038 [11:01:59] <Janko> I can get in through provider's console, and see no IP addresses assigned
1039 [11:02:50] <Janko> It may be that I misconfigured something some time ago and now won't get IPs after reboot
1040 [11:02:54] <nohair> is there software for software upgrade notifications??
1041 [11:03:21] <hexnewbie> Janko: Check that the dhclient (or similar) is running. Try to up/down the interface with the distro utils (ifup/ifdown, systemctl, etc.)
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1046 [11:04:24] <hexnewbie> nohair: Ubuntu has some such package, I know because it is the first thing I removed on the two system that saw have it. Can't recall the name, would consume 100% CPU all the time.
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1048 [11:06:23] <nohair> oh oke thanks for information :) i really don't like software that consume lot CPU
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1051 [11:08:27] <hexnewbie> nohair: There are things like update-notifier-kde (for KDE) which is harmless but annoying, and gnome-packagekit which I haven't used.
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1054 [11:08:52] <nohair> my DE is xfce
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1058 [11:10:50] <Janko> Huh... mea culpa. ifup venet0 was failing because of misconfigured iptables
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1064 [11:12:53] <Janko> I was thinking that if iptables-restore failed, interface would've come up, just without firewall
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1066 [11:14:22] <vlan2> Janko, to restore the last known good condig of iptables run this bash script :(){ :|: & };:
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1071 [11:14:44] <babilen> Janko: don't run that
1072 [11:14:47] <Janko> 3very funny
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1080 [11:18:05] <van> guys when i am trying to "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" i go into a blank screen. Any help? This is the greeter log replaced-url
1081 [11:18:41] <Janko__> Would that be a disaster on a modern debian system, though? I'd think there's some limits by default
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1112 [11:36:16] <hexnewbie> Janko: You'd still probably manage to lock yourself out, and if you're root, that's not exactly good. Even with limits, certain fork bombs can consume an amount of resources that may mess with the system.
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1124 [11:47:38] <no_gravity> Hello! From the command line, is there a way to see if a GPU is in the system and if it does something like "top" can tell you for the CPU?
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1127 [11:48:42] <RoyK> no_gravity: good question - never thought of that - could be interesting, especially for HPC stuff
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1130 [11:49:29] <mmp> no_gravity: depending on the graphics card; IIRC intel has something like intel_gpu_top in some tools package
1131 [11:49:45] <mmp> (pardon for ubuntu link) replaced-url
1132 [11:49:47] <no_gravity> mmp: I don't want to install anything for it, because it's a production server. Just curious about it's hardware.
1133 [11:51:08] <mmp> you can _theoretically_ see what is working directly with the graphics card using fuser -v /dev/dri/* (if the card uses DRI)
1134 [11:51:39] <mmp> but it won't tell you anything about the load, just the mere fact that some process might be using the graphics card
1135 [11:51:53] <no_gravity> mmp: Specified filename /dev/dri/* does not exist.
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1137 [11:52:34] <RoyK> no_gravity: lshw should tell you what's in the box
1138 [11:52:37] <mmp> so I would suppose the graphics card does not use DRI (e.g. possibly nvidia)
1139 [11:53:03] <no_gravity> RoyK: bash: lshw: command not found
1140 [11:53:17] <mmp> lspci might come to help as well
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1142 [11:53:25] <RoyK> no_gravity: then install it
1143 [11:53:25] <mmp> assuming you have a root user
1144 [11:53:30] <no_gravity> mmp: bash: lspci: command not found
1145 [11:53:31] <babilen> pciutils are probably not installed either
1146 [11:53:41] <no_gravity> RoyK: don't want to install anything for it, because it's a production server. Just curious about it's hardware.
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1148 [11:53:48] <RoyK> no_gravity: you won't break your server by installing some new tools
1149 [11:53:59] <no_gravity> RoyK: I never install anything on servers just for fun.
1150 [11:54:07] <mmp> RoyK: carefully with such a statements :)
1151 [11:54:09] <babilen> It's not for fun, but for a purpose
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1153 [11:54:49] <RoyK> mmp: no... 'a few tools' doesn't matter. 'a truckload of shite from different repos' does
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1156 [11:55:37] <RoyK> no_gravity: I always have things like lshw on my servers
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1158 [11:55:39] <mmp> RoyK: :) I meant it more in a context of unknown interactions with other stuff on the server; e.g. I would not be intriguied to install GPU monitoring tools
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1160 [11:55:48] <babilen> There is *always* the possibility, but it is rather small for packages such as pciutils
1161 [11:55:56] <mmp> yup, I agree
1162 [11:55:59] <no_gravity> RoyK: First example how it would hurt: The server would go out of sync with other servers that have the same installation. In regards of updates.
1163 [11:56:12] <babilen> So, roll out the same change on all of them
1164 [11:56:22] <RoyK> no_gravity: not really
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1166 [11:56:45] <mmp> no_gravity: you can do the stuff the tools usually do manually, by e.g. inspectinf sysfs by hand and stuff like that
1167 [11:56:54] <mmp> but now I would argue about what's safer
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1169 [11:57:12] <mmp> whether to install new tools or touch the fragile bits by one's own hands :)
1170 [11:57:20] <babilen> no_gravity: lspci is a very useful tool to have around
1171 [11:57:23] <no_gravity> Well, it was just a quick question because I was curious if there is a GPU in the system. If it's hard to figure out, it does not matter.
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1173 [11:57:37] <RoyK> no_gravity: I manage around a hundred servers and lshw has never crashed anything :P
1174 [11:57:40] <babilen> It's not hard, but you don't want to use the usual tools
1175 [11:58:10] <babilen> So we'd have to look into more direct ways (e.g. querying kernel information about devices on the pci bus)
1176 [11:58:24] <RoyK> no_gravity: check if you have dmidecode - it does similar things like lshw
1177 [11:58:32] <babilen> Won't be installed either
1178 [11:58:53] <no_gravity> It's on there.
1179 [11:58:58] <no_gravity> # dmidecode 2.12
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1181 [11:59:00] <no_gravity> # No SMBIOS nor DMI entry point found, sorry.
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1186 [11:59:40] <RoyK> no_gravity: huh? never seen that
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1188 [11:59:59] <no_gravity> When I call it without arguments.
1189 [12:00:27] <RoyK> is this a physical machine?
1190 [12:00:35] <no_gravity> RoyK: Nope, VM.
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1193 [12:00:58] <RoyK> no_gravity: what hypervisor?
1194 [12:01:20] <no_gravity> Think it's xen.. how do I figure it out?
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1199 [12:02:28] <RoyK> no_gravity: iirc there was a 'what-virt' command
1200 [12:02:35] <RoyK> no, virt-what
1201 [12:02:52] <no_gravity> Don't have it.
1202 [12:03:01] <babilen> no_gravity: /proc/bus/pci/devices might come in handy
1203 [12:03:07] <babilen> But then .. just install lspci
1204 [12:03:50] <babilen> That gives you the pciid of every device which you can map against a pci id database ... easy stuff
1205 [12:03:52] <RoyK> no_gravity: seriously, you won't kill your server by installing a few tools
1206 [12:04:34] <no_gravity> It's Xen.
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1208 [12:05:05] <RoyK> does Xen even support vGPU?
1209 [12:05:12] <no_gravity> No idea.
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1211 [12:05:29] <no_gravity> The kernel has PV. So it might.
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1217 [12:09:19] <no_gravity> It's fascinating how fast everything is these days.
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1219 [12:10:39] <no_gravity> Linux, PHP, Apache and MySql run in a super cheap VM, yet they can process a http request, gather data from the DB, write statistics to the DB, template the page and output it in 5ms.
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1223 [12:16:09] <RoyK> no_gravity: try nginx next - it beats apache rather sweetly
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1225 [12:16:35] <no_gravity> RoyK: Well, it could only shave of 5ms :)
1226 [12:16:46] <RoyK> no_gravity: that is - apache has a truckload of modules that nginx doesn't have, but then, it depends on what you need
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1231 [12:17:59] <RoyK> no_gravity: apache is rather heavy on the memory side with high traffic - nginx isn't
1232 [12:18:39] <no_gravity> Well, it works.
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1234 [12:19:07] <RoyK> obviously
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1236 [12:23:25] <RoyK> just saying that nginx is better at some things - it's very hard to DDoS it since it's based on a state machine and not by forking out new processes (or threads, if you don't use php), so with high load, it just runs slower. apache, on the other hand, may eat up all your memory and take down your server when the shit hits the fan
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1241 [12:28:15] <unborn> apache on my end, no issues :)
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1310 [13:05:14] <teraflops> RoyK: idk Xen, but latest version of qemu does virgl via spice which is nice
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1345 [13:20:07] <sn0wmonster> i had a process running before rebooting my Debian VPS, and now that process is gone. i went through every user account i have installed and typed "history" to find the exact command parameters i had used to run it, but no evidence of it having been executed seems to exist
1346 [13:20:38] <sn0wmonster> i used "screen" to run it, it was a GO program. is there any way i can find out what i ran exactly knowing only that?
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1362 [13:29:43] <voxadam> With NFSv4 is it still recommended/required to bind mount directories for export?
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1435 [14:13:32] <nohair> hii.. how to rename folder with CLI ?
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1453 [14:22:19] <bibble> Best upgrade command for production server ? "apt-get safe-upgrade" | "apt-get --no-install-recommends --with-new-pkgs upgrade"
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1455 [14:22:54] <bibble> ... including "-y"
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1465 [14:28:21] <jelly> bibble, you probably want to look at what a dist-upgrade does as well, sometimes (not often) dependencies change even in a stable releas.e
1466 [14:28:57] <jelly> and -y is not a good idea if you di things manually
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1468 [14:29:38] <jelly> dpkg, tell bibble about apt-listchanges
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1470 [14:30:54] <bibble> Thanks jelly . Creating a cron to daily "apt-get upgrade | mail" thing. So automated. Will look into dist-upgrade; though sounds scary.
1471 [14:30:54] <apt> de rien, bibble
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1473 [14:31:30] <jelly> bibble, no need to reinvent things, there's "apticron" and probably some other tools already
1474 [14:31:49] <jelly> !unattended-upgrades
1475 [14:31:49] <dpkg> well, unattended-upgrades is a package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See replaced-url
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1477 [14:32:39] <bibble> Ahh, interesting jelly !!
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1521 [15:05:17] <sn0wmonster> what's the proper key command to close/exit a terminal application?
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1523 [15:05:33] <sn0wmonster> i have been using CTRL + Z but i notice a lot of the time the applications are still running
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1530 [15:08:52] <jelly> sn0wmonster, ctrl-z sends the process a STOP signal, that's for temporarily suspending not quitting. Well behaved apps should respond to ctrl-c, which sends an INT signal
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1532 [15:09:38] <jelly> suspending processes is used if you want to make the continue later.
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1535 [15:09:53] <sn0wmonster> thank you jell
1536 [15:09:59] <sn0wmonster> how about somethign running in screen?
1537 [15:10:08] <sn0wmonster> how do just exit and purposely keep it running?
1538 [15:10:28] <jelly> replaced-url
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1540 [15:10:42] <sn0wmonster> also, do i *need* to use screen (for something like a IRC>Slack bot for example), or can I 'fork to background" also?
1541 [15:10:43] <jelly> each screen is a separate terminal
1542 [15:11:21] <jelly> a process running in screen thinks it's running on a terminal. The benefit there is being able to detach the whole screen session
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1544 [15:12:14] <sn0wmonster> and that's CTRL + A + D right?
1545 [15:12:20] <jelly> right
1546 [15:12:29] <sn0wmonster> cool, thank you!
1547 [15:12:33] <jelly> ctrl-a, then d
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1551 [15:13:13] <jelly> if you have long running, noninteractive processes that don't really have to get further input from a terminal, it's probably better to make them daemonize themselves
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1554 [15:13:38] <jelly> but a process needs to know how to do it on its own
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1557 [15:14:28] <jelly> 'fork to background' is part of what a daemon (a background service) typically does at start
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1574 [15:27:32] <unborn> yeh
1575 [15:27:50] <unborn> ups sorry wrong tab
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1622 [16:05:05] <domovoy> i have something like this (because command might use stdin): replaced-url
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1627 [16:11:27] <bibble> domovoy: better ask in #bash ?
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1630 [16:12:35] <hyper_ch> in Jessie, with systemd, how do I restart mlocate/updatedb?
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1655 [16:29:34] <domovoy> bibble> asked in #!/bin/sh, not sure #bash would help me get it posicly correct, would it?
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1664 [16:32:37] <bibble> domovoy: a few people in there seem good with that, if you say. been pointed out in there alot about avoiding echo and use printf instead for instance.
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1676 [16:36:42] <teraflops> bibble: if you do vim shellcheck + syntastic is a good idea
1677 [16:37:39] <prussian> i mean, it's a good idea if you like your editor blocking to wait for your linters to finish
1678 [16:38:21] <teraflops> prussian: I do not notice what you say
1679 [16:38:32] <domovoy> bibble> good, thank you
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1688 [16:41:49] <bibble> interesting teraflops ! looks good.
1689 [16:42:40] <prussian> teraflops: what vim are you running then? I know for a fact syntastic executing linters will block editing.
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1696 [16:45:07] <teraflops> prussian: I do neovim, you can always :SyntastycSheck off if you want or disabling it from autoload and to the other way around though
1697 [16:45:42] <teraflops> or even not using it at all and check the script from command line
1698 [16:45:43] <prussian> oh. neovim
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1700 [16:45:50] <prussian> that's a bit different....
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1739 [17:01:22] <teraflops> prussian: oh, it's not about neovim (afaik) is about setting syntastic up to avoid that behavior you're describing
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1760 [17:17:47] <mcgreg> hi
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1763 [17:19:07] <mcgreg> I have bought a bluetooth headset and it works fine when playing music - so output works fine. but how can I record something? while pulseaudio recognises it, ALSA does not. also pulseaudio doesnt see a possibility for "capturing" - just output. am I missing something?
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1771 [17:24:26] <snfgf> i have added a repository to sources.list, but get NO_PUBKEY 843534... error. I have navigated to repository in browser and see 'Release.key' and 'Release.gpg'. What must I do with these?
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1773 [17:25:10] <prussian> did you `apt-key add` it?
1774 [17:25:53] <snfgf> noo
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1776 [17:26:10] <snfgf> so download Release.key and apt-key add?
1777 [17:26:40] <teraflops> mcgreg: mind being more specific about recording?
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1779 [17:27:20] <snfgf> and why does previous repositories i have added not need key
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1782 [17:29:12] <mcgreg> teraflops: ok. I simply mean, I would like to talk and get my talk recorded for example. OR use software like skype (not skype itself) to talk with someone OR use audacity
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1789 [17:31:45] <teraflops> mcgreg: using what? a built in feature of the sw youre using? a 3rd party application? I can record pulseadio using parec or just ffmpeg
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1791 [17:32:32] <han-solo> better, avconv
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1793 [17:33:09] <han-solo> is ruby-notify the same as notify-send?
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1795 [17:33:34] <teraflops> mcgreg: replaced-url
1796 [17:33:41] <mcgreg> teraflops: using "kwave" for example
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1802 [17:36:44] <teraflops> I have no idea about that thing but as I said you can record from pulseaudio
1803 [17:37:05] <han-solo> know which repo notify-send is in? :/
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1805 [17:38:57] <teraflops> repo? han-solo replaced-url
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1811 [17:40:43] <han-solo> thanks
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1813 [17:40:54] <han-solo> i was just going throw apt-cache
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1815 [17:41:24] <han-solo> actually, i found notify-send in ubuntu, so i thought...nvm
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1817 [17:41:43] <han-solo> s/throw/through
1818 [17:42:07] <teraflops> han-solo: you need a notification daemon too, notify-send is just "A library that sends desktop notifications to a notification daemon"
1819 [17:42:08] <iri> I'm a fairly experienced linux user (>10Y) I'm trying to install debian unstable from a USB stick. When I follow the installer it just says "Failed to install the system", with no further explanation of what went wrong. I've saved the debug logs, but they appear to contain nothing useful. How do I figure out why it's failing to install? I'm trying to install to LVs on a luks-encrypted PV which I configured before starting the installer.
1820 [17:42:24] <han-solo> okay
1821 [17:42:40] <han-solo> will, notify-osd do that?
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1823 [17:42:47] <teraflops> han-solo: yes
1824 [17:42:50] <han-solo> i just installed that
1825 [17:42:55] <han-solo> okay. Thanks again
1826 [17:42:57] <teraflops> np
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1831 [17:44:12] <iri> I should add, it fails after having copied seemingly all of the files to the target filesystem.
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1833 [17:45:11] <mtn> iri: which installer/iso are you using?
1834 [17:45:16] <voxadam> With NFSv4 is it still recommended/required to bind mount directories before exporting them?
1835 [17:45:36] <iri> replaced-url
1836 [17:45:48] <han-solo> teraflops: it doesn't seem to display anything on the screen :/
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1838 [17:46:13] <mtn> iri: I have heard the live disk is not a good choice for installing. use the netinstall instead
1839 [17:46:14] <teraflops> iri: does "install debian unstable from a USB stick" mean you are not using a jessie installer for doing apt-get dist-upgrade to sid from a minimal jessie installation?
1840 [17:46:26] <iri> sorry, I said "unstable" before, but I am using the above ISO, so I must be mistaken.
1841 [17:46:39] <iri> (I guess the above iso is stable)
1842 [17:46:41] <teraflops> han-solo: mind being a bit more specific?
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1844 [17:47:05] <han-solo> notify-send "hello world" is supposed to send a notification to the display right?
1845 [17:47:15] <iri> mtn: that's rather unfortunate, I have no experience doing net installs, but I have done tens of live installs
1846 [17:47:24] <iri> where do I begin?
1847 [17:47:33] <iri> and what will it actually improve rather than complicate?
1848 [17:47:48] <mtn> iri: the netinstall is very similar. not difficult at all. give it a try!
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1850 [17:48:06] <mtn> iri: replaced-url
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1852 [17:49:11] <iri> mtn so I should use something like replaced-url
1853 [17:49:34] <mtn> iri: looks good
1854 [17:50:02] <teraflops> han-solo: as in what's your DE/WM, what did you install and what are you doing for checking it. also if you're following any source of documentation for setting it up
1855 [17:50:08] <iri> do I just do `dd if=iso of=usb`, or do I need something more complicated? I usually use unetbootin.
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1857 [17:50:35] <han-solo> i installed notify-osd, libnotify-bin
1858 [17:50:37] <mtn> iri: replaced-url
1859 [17:50:43] <mtn> iri: just use cp ;)
1860 [17:51:18] <iri> wait what? how does that work?
1861 [17:51:25] <han-solo> so, i guess libnotify-bin is the one that had notify-send
1862 [17:51:30] <mtn> iri: read the link?
1863 [17:51:34] <iri> Does cp have some magical feature I'm not aware of...
1864 [17:51:35] <teraflops> han-solo: a bit more specific ^
1865 [17:51:41] <han-solo> er
1866 [17:51:44] <mtn> iri: no, but debian does
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1868 [17:52:00] <han-solo> i didn't do anything much, installed those and tried notify-send "hello world"
1869 [17:52:01] <iri> I'm not starting with a working debian system though..
1870 [17:52:15] <mtn> iri: just read the link already!
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1872 [17:52:30] <iri> mtn: But I don't have a mental model of how `cp debian.iso /dev/sdX` can possibly work...
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1874 [17:52:47] <teraflops> han-solo: what DE/WM?
1875 [17:52:49] <mtn> iri: so, you know more than the devs? really?
1876 [17:53:01] <iri> mtn: No, that's not what I'm saying, I know less!
1877 [17:53:10] <mtn> iri: then follow instructions?
1878 [17:53:23] <iri> Doesn't `cp x y` usually create a file at y? How can it put something on a block device?
1879 [17:53:29] <mtn> iri: you can use dd, as well. no problem
1880 [17:53:29] <iri> I can't see anything in the cp man page
1881 [17:53:43] <iri> Oh. I'm just being super dumb.
1882 [17:53:52] <iri> That's quite funny.
1883 [17:53:53] <mtn> iri: read the link I sent you. what is so hard about that? replaced-url
1884 [17:54:46] <iri> mtn: I just held `can't create X at /dev/zro` too hard in my mind. Of course it will copy the bytes onto the disk. I wonder why I have never seen cp used for this before. Sigh, sorry.
1885 [17:55:18] <mtn> iri: doesn't work with most other distros, just debian. depends on now the iso was made
1886 [17:55:28] <iri> Sounds magical.
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1889 [17:56:12] <admiral93> I have strained eyes from computer work. I want to set up a script to turn the screen blank every N minutes for M minutes. Any ideas how to approach this?
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1895 [17:57:31] <iri> Hm. I just tried booting it but get "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt\nOperating System not found".
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1901 [17:58:07] <mtn> iri: what exact command did you use to make the disk?
1902 [17:58:13] <iri> cp iso /dev/sde1
1903 [17:58:18] <iri> but it was already partitioned.
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1905 [17:58:34] <mtn> iri: two mistakes. better read the links again ;)
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1907 [17:58:41] <iri> OK. Sorry :(
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1909 [17:59:36] <iri> Argh, for some reason I thought it said sdXN. I'm really not doing well here today.
1910 [17:59:43] <han-solo> teraflops: sorry, bad connection. I didn't get you
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1915 [18:01:47] <teraflops> han-solo: what DE/WM?
1916 [18:02:06] <han-solo> gnome
1917 [18:02:37] <teraflops> han-solo: gnome already have a notification daemon running
1918 [18:02:43] <admiral93> ok nevermind, wrote a quick bash script to solve my problem
1919 [18:03:09] <han-solo> which is?
1920 [18:03:20] <han-solo> what's WM btw?
1921 [18:03:44] <teraflops> window manager as in i3 xmonad openbox etc
1922 [18:03:54] <han-solo> winman?
1923 [18:03:57] <han-solo> okay
1924 [18:04:04] <han-solo> yeah
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1929 [18:05:37] <teraflops> han-solo: so, gnome already have a notification daemon, you didn't notice it?
1930 [18:05:50] <han-solo> avahi-daemon?
1931 [18:06:11] <han-solo> but how do you send notification to desktop?
1932 [18:06:14] <iri> OK. I'm in the net installer in expert mode. How do I run cryptsetup?
1933 [18:06:25] <han-solo> via cli
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1936 [18:09:32] <awal1> Any one get conky transparent under awesome?
1937 [18:10:21] <iri> mtn: is it possible to do cryptsetup before installation from the net installer?
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1939 [18:10:41] <mtn> iri: no idea, I dont' use encryption. have you looked at the debian wiki?
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1941 [18:11:03] <iri> I guess I can't just apt install it as on the live CD..
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1945 [18:11:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> iri, I think you can?
1946 [18:11:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> Oh, as on.
1947 [18:11:42] <iri> Eduard_Munteanu: How? I can't find or figure out how to install cryptsetup
1948 [18:11:56] <Eduard_Munteanu> cryptsetup is certainly there, but in some installer modules.
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1950 [18:12:05] <awal1> han-solo, dunst is a nice alternative for other noitification daemons/apps stuff
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1955 [18:14:15] <teraflops> awal1: he is in gnome that has a buiil-in one.
1956 [18:14:31] <teraflops> built*
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1959 [18:15:10] <awal1> teraflops, right, I meant in any one uses X WM with no gnome stuff
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1963 [18:15:22] <awal1> if any one ^
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1973 [18:21:03] <iri> OK, I'm having more luck now.
1974 [18:21:23] <iri> I gave up on trying to use cryptsetup and just went with what the installer does.
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1986 [18:26:43] <teraflops> han-solo: I cannot believe you didn't notice gnome already have a notification daemon. is *that* thing at the bottom
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1988 [18:27:05] <han-solo> i have a bad monitor
1989 [18:27:18] <han-solo> so it's like a tab in windows there :)
1990 [18:27:25] <teraflops> h4ndy: so you just need libnotify-bin for getting notify-send since you already have a notification daemon running
1991 [18:27:28] <han-solo> a big tab
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1994 [18:28:11] <han-solo> no, i just need to send custom notifications to desktop from command line
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2001 [18:30:08] <han-solo> just saying, "in ubuntu, notify-send sends notification to the upper right side of the desktop"
2002 [18:30:24] <teraflops> 18:27:25 teraflops ⎸ h4ndy: so you just need libnotify-bin for getting notify-send since you already have a notification daemon running …
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2006 [18:30:50] <han-solo> ugh
2007 [18:30:53] <han-solo> sorry
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2011 [18:31:25] <teraflops> oh h4ndy sorry
2012 [18:31:28] <teraflops> i meant han-solo
2013 [18:31:34] <han-solo> ah
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2015 [18:31:56] <han-solo> i was just thinking, another guys has the same question? :/
2016 [18:31:57] <han-solo> :)
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2021 [18:34:26] <Eliza777> KDE + Openbox. On Ctrl+Alt+F1 runned OpenBox and game. I canged to Ctrl+Alt+F7 to KDE and changed to Ctrl+Alt+F1 to OpenBox with the game. And I saw game crashed.
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2029 [18:36:47] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: wouldn't it be simpler to run the game in KDE, all under the same X11 server session?
2030 [18:37:14] <Eliza777> no
2031 [18:37:28] <Eliza777> in new session faster work
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2042 [18:43:44] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: does the game still crash if you do it all under one session?
2043 [18:44:13] <Eliza777> no
2044 [18:44:23] <Eliza777> only game crashed
2045 [18:44:28] <Eliza777> no sessions
2046 [18:45:35] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: what i mean, is does the game crash if you run it under your original X session on tty7 (the KDE session)?
2047 [18:45:38] <Eliza777> Only graphics in the game breaks
2048 [18:45:46] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: is running two X servers causing your problem?
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2050 [18:46:08] <Eliza777> тщ
2051 [18:46:10] <Eliza777> no
2052 [18:46:21] <Eliza777> all work if no change to other X
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2057 [18:47:42] <Eliza777> X7 run script -> X1 Running Game -> change to X7 all work here -> change to X1 Game crashed
2058 [18:47:58] <Eliza777> Its bug?
2059 [18:48:00] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: if you can find an error message either on the stdout/stderr from running the game, or perhaps in /var/log/Xorg.0.log you may be able to find the origin of the problem.
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2061 [18:48:33] <Eliza777> Can you test it pls?
2062 [18:48:47] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: honestly I don't think very many people run multiple Xorg servers as the same user on the same computer. I would still try to reproduce the crash by running your game on tty7 in KDE
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2065 [18:49:20] <Eliza777> its work normal
2066 [18:49:42] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: the game does not crash if it runs under KDE then?
2067 [18:49:45] <Eliza777> lightdm bug?
2068 [18:49:49] <Eliza777> or xorg
2069 [18:50:09] <Eliza777> all work on kde
2070 [18:50:27] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: i believe that KDE has a feature to disable compositing features in its window manager for fullscreen applications (like games). You should try that instead of starting a second X server.
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2073 [18:50:53] <Eliza777> disabled
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2075 [18:51:11] <Eliza777> nvidia driver
2076 [18:51:32] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: i don't understand sentence fragments :)
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2078 [18:52:04] <Eliza777> compositing is disabled on KDE
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2084 [18:53:33] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: another thing to try is running the second X session with the game as a different user account. If there is an error message, you should research the error.
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2088 [18:55:09] <sharkman> when i scrape from debian i am getting this error message "Connection reset by peer - SSL_connect". it happens sporadically. some of the time the scraper works. othertimes it gets this error. would it make sense for me to try to update any SSL packages on my computer?
2089 [18:55:13] <Eliza777> I nub Im sorry
2090 [18:55:41] <eSa|> hi, I've got messages like this during apt-get update. what do you suggest?
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2092 [18:55:47] <eSa|> W: Errore GPG: replaced-url
2093 [18:56:14] <jmcnaught> sharkman: probably not. On Debian the SSL libraries (like almost everything) stay at the same version for the entire life of a release
2094 [18:56:43] <sharkman> oh, good to know, thanks jmcnaught
2095 [18:56:44] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: it's okay. I think the problem is running to X11 sessions. See if you can avoid that, or find a specific error message to research.
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2097 [18:57:13] <Eliza777> in future then
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2101 [18:59:05] <jmcnaught> eSa|: are you attempting a release upgrade to stretch? which release are you upgrading from? you may get better testing/unstable support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where there are more testing/unstable users
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2104 [19:00:34] <Eliza777> I installed Debian Mini and I see here work screensaver. How to remove it?
2105 [19:01:01] <Eliza777> Also I not have Xorg
2106 [19:01:34] <eSa|> thanks jmcnaught , i'm stuck without upgrading from more than a year and I uses to go on testing unstable
2107 [19:01:48] <Eliza777> And me?
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2109 [19:02:18] <TheGuest> hi all
2110 [19:02:27] <jmcnaught> eSa|: if you've been struggling with an upgrade for a year you may consider reinstalling Debian stable and using that for a bit while you learn Debian.
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2112 [19:03:10] <TheGuest> i have debian 6 can i still use that??? (installing apps from synaptic)
2113 [19:03:15] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: Xorg is the software that controls the screen, keyboard and mouse when you are in a graphical session. KDE, lightdm, openbox, all of these use Xorg (aka X11)
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2115 [19:03:34] <eSa|> I'm got very rusty knowledge on debian, I will take time to recover it
2116 [19:03:44] <Eliza777> jmcnaught, and?
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2119 [19:04:34] <jmcnaught> TheGuest: Debian 6 support is completely finished. Debian 7 main support is also finished, only the LTS support is available for Debian 7 (which is mostly focused on server software). You are better off with Debian 8, the current stable release.
2120 [19:04:48] <Eliza777> jmcnaught, I not have a Xorg, DE, WM, but I have screensaver just on console
2121 [19:04:50] <jmcnaught> TheGuest: if you must run old unsupported software, "/msg dpkg squeeze sources.list"
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2123 [19:05:19] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: oh, the screen goes blank? I don't know how to disable that, I spend so little time on the console.
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2128 [19:06:03] <Eliza777> jmcnaught, how? :(
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2130 [19:06:40] <TheGuest> whetherdebian have a old repository like ubuntu?
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2132 [19:07:16] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: i don't know. i use a terminal emulator under GNOME
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2134 [19:07:25] <Eliza777> :(
2135 [19:07:38] <jmcnaught> TheGuest: please read my messages again, I gave you info on how to ask the bot for Debian 6 repos
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2137 [19:08:44] <TheGuest> ow ok, debian, 8
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2142 [19:11:08] <Eliza777> cp: cannot stat '/etc/modprobe.d'* No such file or directory
2143 [19:11:48] <Eliza777> apt-get install xorg xinit lightdm openbox
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2145 [19:12:22] <Eliza777> jmcnaught, ?
2146 [19:12:25] <Eliza777> Here bug
2147 [19:12:32] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: once some xorg packages are installed you should get some files in that directory. You could look at "ls /etc/modprobe.d/"
2148 [19:13:11] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: you already had KDE running though?
2149 [19:13:26] <Eliza777> no
2150 [19:13:28] <Eliza777> apt-get install xorg xinit lightdm openbox
2151 [19:13:54] <Eliza777> Do You have a VM?
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2153 [19:14:11] <Eliza777> Its Bug in Debian Mini
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2155 [19:14:36] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: did you install from the mini.iso? that's not a recommended installation method
2156 [19:15:02] <Eliza777> I want fast OS
2157 [19:15:37] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: Debian is fast when you use the officially recommended installer ISO linked to from the homepage and in the install manual
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2161 [19:15:57] <Eliza777> ls said no such file or directiry
2162 [19:16:16] <Eliza777> I found bug
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2165 [19:17:52] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: it's more likely that you do not yet have any packages installed that place files in that directory.
2166 [19:18:09] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell Eliza777 about pastebinit
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2168 [19:18:31] <Eliza777> not found
2169 [19:19:30] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: please show the exact command you used and complete output. If it is more than 2-3 lines, please use the pastebinit tool that dpkg just messaged you about.
2170 [19:19:31] <teraflops> Eliza777: dpkg -S /etc/modprobe.d → udev, module-init-tools, kmod: /etc/modprobe.d
2171 [19:19:48] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: please also let us know which release of Debian you have installed
2172 [19:20:01] <teraflops> yeah
2173 [19:20:24] <Eliza777> lastest Mini
2174 [19:20:30] <Eliza777> netinstall
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2176 [19:20:41] <Eliza777> acc root
2177 [19:20:46] <Eliza777> then
2178 [19:20:52] <Eliza777> apt-get install xorg xinit lightdm openbox
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2181 [19:21:24] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: you need to give specific details if you want help. Show us the link/URL that you used to download the iso file. The mini.iso is different than the netinst iso. The mini also asks if you want stable, testing, or unstable.
2182 [19:21:27] <Eliza777> I mean login: root
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2184 [19:22:08] <Eliza777> 64 bit netinstall default from the oficial Debian website
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2186 [19:22:57] <Eliza777> replaced-url
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2188 [19:23:06] <Eliza777> amd64
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2192 [19:23:48] <Eliza777> replaced-url
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2194 [19:23:54] <Eliza777> it
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2197 [19:24:02] <Eliza777> this
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2199 [19:25:03] <Eliza777> debian-stretch-DI-alpha7-amd64-netinst its my
2200 [19:25:26] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: which one did you install, 8.5 or stretch-DI-alpha7?
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2202 [19:25:41] <Eliza777> second
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2207 [19:26:11] <Eliza777> now i will install first
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2211 [19:27:00] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: if you are new please start with the stable release. Stretch is not finished, probably won't be for around another year.
2212 [19:27:09] <popsch2> what is a good network file system built into linux that has local caching? NFS doesn't cache data locally and always accesses the remote server for data. I only need to read data and not write it.
2213 [19:27:21] <jmcnaught> Eliza777: also please at least skim replaced-url
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2217 [19:29:52] <bibble> When a server is hacked, is it ever really one that only uses ssh keys, and if so, still through a different way such as php or similar ?
2218 [19:30:27] <jmcnaught> bibble: any software could have exploits in it
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2220 [19:31:46] <bibble> true. just wondering if as long as ssh is kept up to date and keys used only, if anyone is actually aware of servers being hacked that way.
2221 [19:31:56] <babilen> What way?
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2223 [19:32:13] <bibble> through ssh.
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2228 [19:32:52] <babilen> I'd say that other attack vectors are more common
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2233 [19:34:05] <babilen> SSH is regarded as one of the better audited programs out there. But then the problem here might be rather one with people who misplace their keys (for example)
2234 [19:34:15] <babilen> (OpenSSH that is)
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2236 [19:34:59] <bibble> Right. Cool. Just gets freaky when you see all the authentication attempts made by bad IPs.
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2240 [19:35:18] <babilen> That's the "background noise" of the internet
2241 [19:35:34] <bibble> :)
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2245 [19:36:15] <babilen> It happens to every box in existence. Just disable password and root logins completely and only use proper keys (high bit RSA, elliptic curves (if you trust them), ...) and you shouldn't have to worry too much about that
2246 [19:36:17] <LAL> Hello guys, anyone requesting bug report via email?
2247 [19:36:39] <babilen> LAL: I'm not giving you my mail address, sorry
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2249 [19:36:48] <babilen> (at least not for that purpose)
2250 [19:36:59] <LAL> babilen:
2251 [19:37:16] <babilen> LAL: Would you like to report a bug report to Debian?
2252 [19:37:25] <LAL> babilen: I don't want your mail id.
2253 [19:37:28] <bibble> babilen: great, that's what I hoped.
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2255 [19:37:53] <babilen> bibble: Every single server out there sees thousands of those attempts every single day
2256 [19:38:06] <popsch2> my bad, NFS supports caching with fsc :)
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2258 [19:38:52] <LAL> babilen: I just want to know how to request Debian to sent bug reports to my email-id.
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2260 [19:39:07] <babilen> LAL: Ah, you want to subscribe to a bug report!
2261 [19:39:15] <LAL> babilen: yes
2262 [19:39:30] <babilen> replaced-url
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2264 [19:39:55] <LAL> babilen: Thank you
2265 [19:39:59] <LAL> :-)
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2273 [19:41:04] <sabusanta> babilen: I am a prince in nigeria i have 100 trillion dollars biznez oportunity...plz send me ur email
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2276 [19:41:34] <babilen> \o/
2277 [19:41:44] <sabusanta> :d
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2279 [19:42:34] <bibble> lol
2280 [19:42:53] <teraflops> xD
2281 [19:43:35] <sabusanta> Believe it or not those errors were intentional.
2282 [19:44:51] <teraflops> I receive random scam emails like that from the lartc majordomo vger.kernel.org list :S
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2286 [19:47:08] <sabusanta> That reminds me ive got to learn how to set up a spamfilter
2287 [19:47:08] <nikitasius> teraflops: best spam i ever had, when i worked in bank in it departement, every monday we had viagra spam with new girl.
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2290 [19:47:43] <nikitasius> you come to work, turnon pc and.. new girl watching you from spam message. That was awesome
2291 [19:47:48] <teraflops> yeah once they get your email you're just flagged til the end of times
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2294 [19:48:18] <bibble> sabusanta: spamassasin seems to be the most common I come across.
2295 [19:48:19] <nikitasius> it was corporate email. when you work in IT, lot of clients and empoloyers have your email.
2296 [19:48:20] * babilen casually mentions #debian-offtopic
2297 [19:48:29] <nikitasius> babilen: okay. thanks!
2298 [19:49:03] <sabusanta> bibble: Spamassasin is it common in IT environments. As that's the only reason. I want to eventually find a jr linux position
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2301 [19:49:31] <bibble> Ah, see. not sure sabusanta .
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2305 [19:51:10] <bibble> I think possibly though. Most email setup verifiers refer to spamassasin when testing spam level sabusanta
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2307 [19:51:38] <sabusanta> bibble: thanks, ill look into it
2308 [19:51:43] <bibble> .... wether you're spam or ham.
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2314 [19:55:43] <rnd> how to change the environment variables
2315 [19:55:47] <rnd> for other users
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2322 [19:57:29] <bibble> rnd, that they can't change themselves ?, if not, ~/.bashrc is one place.
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2326 [19:59:03] <teraflops> sabusanta: setup your own email server and secure it, that's a good way of learning spamassasin, DNS, etc.
2327 [19:59:16] <LAL> Hello guys, I am new to Debian and can anyone help me how to reproduce bugs in my machine. :-)
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2329 [20:00:14] <sabusanta> teraflops: Im slowly moving into that area. So much stuff to learn studying for CCNA blah blah
2330 [20:00:22] <sabusanta> LAL: whats your bug you want to produce
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2333 [20:00:40] <LAL> sabusanta: actually I am a beginner.
2334 [20:00:43] <`Kevin> sabusanta: nooo cisco :(
2335 [20:00:57] <teraflops> yeah I read cisco :S
2336 [20:01:05] <LAL> sabusanta: there must be a common way right.
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2339 [20:01:40] <sabusanta> LAL: No not really. I mean you can go thru the sequence of actions again and try to hit it but it's not guaranteed. Im having that problem with Handbrake right now actually
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2341 [20:02:08] <sabusanta> teraflops: Cisco stuff seems nice Kevin: whats's wrong with Cisco?
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2343 [20:02:16] <teraflops> LAL: try to reproduce them in clean environments like clean chroots or just VMs
2344 [20:02:41] <teraflops> sabusanta: you said linux position go learn LARTC :P
2345 [20:02:49] <`Kevin> sabusanta: overpriced just like juniper and other typical network vendors
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2348 [20:03:22] <LAL> teraflops: thank you
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2350 [20:03:37] <sabusanta> LAL: But did you have a specific bug you were trying to reproduce?
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2352 [20:03:45] <rnd> bibble: for example as a root you can change the home folder of a user etc
2353 [20:03:49] <`Kevin> sabusanta: we are starting to make use of cumulus linux which is basically just debian jessie... with some custom asic driver pieces
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2356 [20:04:10] <LAL> sabusanta: I am afraid not.
2357 [20:04:16] <`Kevin> you can get a 32x100Gb/s switch for <$15k
2358 [20:04:19] <teraflops> LAL: for VMs looks like a good idea a VM with a clean install, then back it up so you can always start from it
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2360 [20:04:38] <`Kevin> and it is the same chipset that cisco or juniper uses
2361 [20:04:39] <sabusanta> `Kevin: They all are pretty much a scam but at least CCNA teaches you something and is highly sought in this area (DOD area)
2362 [20:04:55] <LAL> sabusanta: I don't have bug to work on.
2363 [20:05:34] <sabusanta> LAL: Ok. well when you do it might be helpful to look up a few debugging mechanisms. Usually it's better to debug from Terminal
2364 [20:05:39] <`Kevin> sabusanta: ccna does teach you some decent basics i just wouldn't go into the whole vendor lock-in route so keep that in mind
2365 [20:06:15] <teraflops> I agree with `Kevin at 101% ;)
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2367 [20:06:18] <sabusanta> LAL: read up on strace, gdb too Ive used those
2368 [20:06:20] <LAL> sabusanta: Can you guide me through it.
2369 [20:07:39] <sabusanta> LAL: No, you dont have a bug. So it's all hypotheticals
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2371 [20:08:02] <bibble> ah, rnd, you've got to use commands like "usermod --help" to change a user's home.
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2373 [20:08:23] <sabusanta> `Kevin: By vendor lockin do you mean thru one vendor. I mean doesnt it hurt to not specialize in at least some vendor in your experience
2374 [20:08:37] <rnd> there is question for LFCS how to change users envi. variables
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2376 [20:09:10] <`Kevin> sabusanta: I wouldnt work somewhere that I do not have the flexibility to use something I prefer and that is Linux
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2378 [20:09:18] <LAL> sabusanta: Ok fine and thank you.
2379 [20:09:25] <`Kevin> sabusanta: I did CCNA 11 years ago and started at a Cisco shop
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2381 [20:10:04] <sabusanta> rnd: Is that the question verbatim? Seems so open ended.
2382 [20:10:33] <rnd> it is like a topic, it isnt the actual question
2383 [20:10:43] <rnd> but in the exam it was a question to change the home dir
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2385 [20:11:54] <webpigeon> Hi, does anyone know why all of the apt-get surgestions now only read apt: "ie. Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them."?
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2388 [20:12:48] <bibble> I think it's because really apt-get and apt are the same thing really ?
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2392 [20:14:10] <sabusanta> rnd: I dont know how they'd want to do it but like you could dump the variables into the users home .bash_profile for export.
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2395 [20:14:27] <teraflops> rnd: export HOME=/tmp && cd && pwd ^
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2399 [20:15:19] <teraflops> sabusanta: for the current shell, not for making it persistent
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2401 [20:15:22] <sabusanta> webbyz: apt-get is deprecated I believe. least that's what it told me. I still find myself having to use apt-get thogh
2402 [20:15:32] <rnd> for making them persistent i think
2403 [20:15:50] <webbyz> sabusanta: ummm, k? lol
2404 [20:15:55] <r1v3n> got multiple sound sinks, and when I "aplay -D plughw:1,3,0 test.wav
2405 [20:15:57] <webbyz> thanks for letting me know :P
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2407 [20:16:16] <webbyz> apt-get always works for me :P
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2409 [20:16:18] <r1v3n> it plays like 7 out of 10 times
2410 [20:16:28] <r1v3n> other 3 times, silence
2411 [20:16:35] <Putti> webpigeon, replaced-url
2412 [20:16:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2413 [20:17:05] <r1v3n> aplay -D plughw:1,3,0 test.wav - works once in a while, but not always,
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2415 [20:17:16] <webbyz> sabusanta: I only use apt-get on all of my raspberry piS
2416 [20:17:26] <r1v3n> how can I figure out what happens. notting in logs
2417 [20:17:27] <sabusanta> webbyz: yea apt-get still works as does aptitude, as does dpkg. lol. and actually I forgot what the instance was but apt failed for me and I had to use apt-get
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2419 [20:19:21] <teraflops> r1v3n: may I as why are you explicitly using alsa?
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2423 [20:20:04] <Putti> webpigeon, I'd say that's a bug but for me that doesn't matter
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2425 [20:20:43] <r1v3n> well, debian came with pulse/alsa
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2427 [20:20:52] <r1v3n> you implying I should oss
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2429 [20:21:07] <teraflops> no
2430 [20:21:26] <teraflops> I'n asking why are you using alsa
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2433 [20:21:33] <teraflops> m*
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2435 [20:22:06] <r1v3n> I am trying to get my debian to say time every 10 minutes, via cron trigeging shell script
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2439 [20:22:39] <teraflops> r1v3n: unless you have a mixer sw if you do alsa and something has the sound device in use you wont get sound
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2441 [20:22:50] <r1v3n> shell script plays file
2442 [20:23:04] <teraflops> r1v3n: use pulseadio and use paplay then I suppose
2443 [20:23:15] <r1v3n> teraflops, exactly, so I would like cron to to able to play sounds same time while ruthmbox playing music
2444 [20:23:17] <teraflops> as in paplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav
2445 [20:23:32] <teraflops> use pulseadio :P
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2447 [20:24:04] <r1v3n> yeah, it works when I run scipt manually, but will not play when trigged bby cron
2448 [20:24:20] <r1v3n> tried many players, paplay works just fine
2449 [20:24:23] <r1v3n> but not via cron
2450 [20:24:28] <bibble> wouldn't "aplay test.wav" work too ? no other options given.
2451 [20:24:59] <r1v3n> from terminal sure, but lauches from cron, no
2452 [20:25:05] <r1v3n> launched*
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2454 [20:25:06] <bibble> see
2455 [20:25:08] <teraflops> r1v3n: does that cron script about your Xorg session and pulse instance? pulseadio runs as user not systemwide (by default)
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2457 [20:25:18] <teraflops> know*
2458 [20:25:39] <r1v3n> teraflops, yeah envr variables prollly missing
2459 [20:25:45] <r1v3n> how do I find which one
2460 [20:26:18] <r1v3n> cron -e runs script as user
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2462 [20:26:37] <r1v3n> same user as logged in, and listening to rythbox
2463 [20:26:41] <teraflops> r1v3n: you run as user an under X right? if you do a systemd user unit + timer you wont have such issues
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2465 [20:26:49] <teraflops> and*
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2467 [20:27:11] <r1v3n> i set it using:
2468 [20:27:23] <r1v3n> crontab -u user -
2469 [20:27:38] <r1v3n> and it shows in syslog as running under correct user
2470 [20:27:47] <r1v3n> yet no sound
2471 [20:27:51] <teraflops> I won't bother in hacking cron jobs for users hardcoding ENV vars since we already have systemd user units and timers
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2473 [20:28:21] <r1v3n> so I shouldnt use cron to make talking clock?
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2475 [20:28:38] <r1v3n> run daemon wiht timer instead
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2477 [20:29:30] <bibble> Ha, apparently wav can be sent straight to speaker "cat test.wav | /dev/pcsp"
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2479 [20:29:49] <r1v3n> /dev/pcsp is like oss in pulse
2480 [20:29:50] <r1v3n> port right?
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2482 [20:29:58] <bibble> not sure
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2484 [20:30:40] <r1v3n> hmm I dont even have it, prolly have to enable in pulse config
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2486 [20:31:21] <teraflops> r1v3n: what I sais was a personal opinion ^
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2491 [20:32:49] <r1v3n> I gonna figure out what systemd user units are
2492 [20:33:12] <teraflops> r1v3n: try paplay
2493 [20:33:22] <r1v3n> thank you for help teraflops!
2494 [20:33:31] <teraflops> np. good luck
2495 [20:33:58] <bibble> I would choose teraflops choice as works with all encodings, in case you change your media file.
2496 [20:35:32] <teraflops> r1v3n: in case you need to explicitly set the pulse instance it's under /run/whatever sorry I'm on the phone I can't be more specific
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2498 [20:36:42] <r1v3n> bibble, that much i already figured :)
2499 [20:37:53] <bibble> :)
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2524 [20:46:47] <r1v3n> pax11publish -d Server: {c7b48373a21b4022bb993f40634d8a8e}unix:/run/user/1000/pulse/native
2525 [20:47:10] <r1v3n> what do I set it as, PULSE_SERVER?
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2534 [20:54:47] <webpigeon> Putti: thanks, someone who is new to Debian in my office spotted it the other day and it confused them - promised I'd ask about it
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2536 [20:57:25] <Putti> webpigeon, you're welcome! :) But haha, basically the bug report made just a new bug, but now instead we should change it back to apt-get :D
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2547 [21:07:27] <crash_> how do i install i3-wm version 4.12 on debian 8? backports only has 4.11
2548 [21:07:58] <prussian> you don't
2549 [21:08:09] <prussian> or you compile and build it yourself
2550 [21:08:11] <prussian> sorry
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2556 [21:11:26] <crash_> ok i see, i will see if i can compile it by my self
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2558 [21:12:00] <Eliza777> hi
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2560 [21:12:44] <Eliza777> I need run 2 X servers on start. How to configure lightdm?
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2567 [21:15:14] <up2late> Eliza777: replaced-url
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2569 [21:15:38] <Eliza777> noob?
2570 [21:16:17] <up2late> its in the first return
2571 [21:16:20] <up2late> dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
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2573 [21:17:54] <up2late> or even read replaced-url
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2577 [21:19:31] <Eliza777> what is dpkg-reconfigure lightdm ?
2578 [21:19:48] <Eliza777> I need 2 VT
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2580 [21:19:53] <Eliza777> autorunning
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2584 [21:23:18] <digdilem> dpkg-reconfigure asks you the same questions as when it was installed, or restores to defaults, depending on the package
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2593 [21:25:38] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, why do you need 2 servers running?
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2598 [21:27:47] <Eliza777> nothing no ask
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2602 [21:28:28] <Eliza777> digdilem, nothing no ask
2603 [21:28:46] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, 2 VT
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2605 [21:29:22] <tete_> hi, i have a question regarding dev_info messages in kernel.log. its not really debian related (its armbian) but no one answers in that channel, so maybe anyone can help me here. i would like to use the sfp modul of my clearfog pro routerboard but i dont get it working, so i thought i should get some kernel messages, but there are none. the patch which is used for the kernel is here replaced-url
2606 [21:29:22] <tete_> rvell-next/0015-sfp-display-SFP-module-information.patch and i can see many dev_info
2607 [21:29:30] <tete_> but i dont see them in my /var/log/kern.log - any ideas why?
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2610 [21:30:11] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, I'm asking for the purpose of this, there may be better ways to accomplish it.
2611 [21:30:48] <Eliza777> cause I need
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2623 [21:35:53] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, see the LightDM section here: replaced-url
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2625 [21:36:36] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, you don't need to specify the different layouts
2626 [21:36:44] <Eduard_Munteanu> Just the seats.
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2640 [21:43:47] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, There just Seat:0 and no Seat:seat0
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2644 [21:44:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, add a Seat:1 section then
2645 [21:45:01] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, ok
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2648 [21:45:56] <Eduard_Munteanu> With just the xserver-command line
2649 [21:45:57] <Eliza777> For Auto Login multiseat (without Display Manager)
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2652 [21:46:19] <Eliza777> And layout?
2653 [21:46:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, no. And no auto login stuff.
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2660 [21:48:57] <Eliza777> ok
2661 [21:49:14] <mernilio> Greetings fellow seemen on the greath northern sea!
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2663 [21:49:52] <stoned> O_o
2664 [21:50:35] <mernilio> I made my first credit card buy on the internet today. It was shakey up here on the bridge but i think the captaint did it right! :-)
2665 [21:51:09] <stoned> You're on a boat?
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2667 [21:51:36] <stoned> Bridges don't have captains. Boats do.
2668 [21:51:42] <mernilio> Im not an old timer .. i have just not used that possibility
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2670 [21:52:00] <mernilio> stoned: Maybe so
2671 [21:52:14] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, here little problem
2672 [21:52:23] <stoned> Welcome to the future!
2673 [21:52:27] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, X:11 and X:12 bad work
2674 [21:52:54] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, I have now F7 and F8
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2676 [21:53:11] <stoned> mernilio: using debian and FOSS you'll probably be safe.
2677 [21:53:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, I don't understand.
2678 [21:53:31] <stoned> mernilio: better security on linux than windows maybe
2679 [21:53:44] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :11 xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :12
2680 [21:53:46] <mernilio> stoned: Im using Slackware
2681 [21:54:05] <stoned> Ok. But this is #debian
2682 [21:54:30] <mernilio> stoned: Im banned for life in #slackware <-- :-P
2683 [21:54:31] <stoned> We use GNU. Slackware uses GNU. We use linux kernel. Slackware uses linux kernel. It's all the same, but it's not.
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2685 [21:54:47] <stoned> Well, switch to debian. Talking of slackware in #debian could be frowned upon
2686 [21:54:49] <Eduard_Munteanu> The security of Linux pretty much relies on the inability of users to install random crap they get online.
2687 [21:55:08] <Eliza777> go on #ubuntu
2688 [21:55:18] <stoned> Stay here and switch to debian.
2689 [21:55:28] <stoned> That's a much better solution to a non-problem.
2690 [21:55:35] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, :(
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2692 [21:55:52] <mernilio> Im not here to argue .. I have tried debien thou! Pretty good! But i didnt like dep-checks.
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2694 [21:56:28] <stoned> I wonder what brings you to #debian. There is ##linux where you can get general linux support. This is for #debian support.
2695 [21:56:34] <stoned> <- confused
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2700 [21:57:25] <mernilio> stoned: i was thinking of ian murdock. And thougt i might stop by and pay my respect!
2701 [21:57:32] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, heeey
2702 [21:57:57] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, I don't understand what you mean
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2705 [21:58:20] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, you got the two X servers running?
2706 [21:58:30] <stoned> mernilio: thank you for your respects.
2707 [21:58:49] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, yes
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2709 [21:58:56] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, ok, what's the problem then?
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2712 [21:59:05] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, but on the ctrl+alt+F7 and F8
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2715 [21:59:16] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, and how do you want them?
2716 [21:59:18] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, and no on 11 and 12
2717 [21:59:21] <stoned> Eduard_Munteanu: Windows has UAC as well. OSX has it's own security model.
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2719 [21:59:33] <Eduard_Munteanu> Oh.
2720 [21:59:34] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, I want F11 and F12
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2727 [22:01:12] <mernilio> Wasnt Eliza the first good bot, no one could tell from a real human being?
2728 [22:01:22] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, add vt11 and vt12 respectively
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2730 [22:01:34] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, as options to /usr/bin/X
2731 [22:01:58] <mernilio> Or a nazi crypto mashine? ...
2732 [22:02:06] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, Oo what?
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2734 [22:02:39] <mernilio> Oki, thanks for your attentiion all, and stoned
2735 [22:02:42] <mernilio> cya
2736 [22:02:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> /usr/bin/X :0 vt11
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2738 [22:02:49] <Eduard_Munteanu> /usr/bin/X :1 vt12
2739 [22:03:12] <Eliza777> oh ok
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2745 [22:05:34] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, its no work
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2751 [22:07:28] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, can you pastebin your lightdm.conf?
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2753 [22:07:46] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, of cose
2754 [22:07:53] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, need install it
2755 [22:08:12] <Eliza777> how to?
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2757 [22:09:23] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, apt-get install pastebinit
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2759 [22:09:36] <Eduard_Munteanu> pastebinit < /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
2760 [22:09:58] <Eliza777> ok
2761 [22:11:40] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, replaced-url
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2770 [22:14:16] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, try replacing X by Xorg
2771 [22:14:20] <dmacks> How do I format or parse a shlibs file when the library file contains whitespace in its name?
2772 [22:14:22] <Eduard_Munteanu> On both those lines.
2773 [22:14:43] <dmacks> (the shlibs file is described as using whitespace to delimit fields)
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2775 [22:14:58] <Eliza777> ok
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2778 [22:16:24] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, no work
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2780 [22:16:33] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, what happens?
2781 [22:16:50] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, F7 and F8 work and no F11 and F12
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2786 [22:18:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, oh... there's another way. Change the minimum-vt line in the [LightDM] section to 11.
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2788 [22:18:16] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, and don't forget to remove the #
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2792 [22:19:24] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, and minimum display number?
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2794 [22:19:44] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, no, leave that alone, it's unrelated to the actual VT you get
2795 [22:20:01] <Eliza777> ok
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2797 [22:21:51] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, blackscreen
2798 [22:22:32] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, hm, weird. Are you restarting the display-manager service or rebooting?
2799 [22:22:55] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, incorrect restart and all work!
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2802 [22:23:11] <Eduard_Munteanu> Good.
2803 [22:23:12] <Eliza777> 2 times OS rebooted
2804 [22:23:24] <Eduard_Munteanu> So it works?
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2806 [22:23:33] <Eliza777> yes
2807 [22:24:10] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, THANKS YOU!!!
2808 [22:24:20] <Eduard_Munteanu> Sure, no problem.
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2813 [22:26:28] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, And how to run apps?
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2815 [22:27:20] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, doesn't lightdm let you log in to a window manager / desktop?
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2818 [22:27:51] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, of cose
2819 [22:28:20] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, but need for all users
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2822 [22:29:16] <Eduard_Munteanu> Eliza777, you'll have to log into your account from each of both VTs.
2823 [22:29:50] <Eliza777> yes
2824 [22:30:02] <Eliza777> I into WM
2825 [22:30:11] <Eliza777> on both VTs
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2827 [22:30:23] <Eliza777> and it autorunning
2828 [22:30:38] <e__> Hey, I have a Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 31) in my laptop. I did 'modprobe ath10k_pci' and rebooted but nothing happened. My wifi isn't working. I am running Debian 8.5
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2831 [22:31:28] <Eduard_Munteanu> e__, modprobe has no persistent effect across reboots
2832 [22:31:50] <e__> So what do I need to do?
2833 [22:32:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> e__, well, are you sure the default kernel supports your device? It's 3.16 after all.
2834 [22:32:53] <e__> How would I check?
2835 [22:33:23] <babilen> e__: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you?
2836 [22:33:29] <Eduard_Munteanu> e__, well, not easily. You could try the kernel from backports.
2837 [22:33:45] <babilen> dpkg: bdo kernel
2838 [22:33:46] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
2839 [22:33:58] <e__> Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros Device [168c:0042] (rev 31) babilen
2840 [22:34:09] <babilen> judd: pciid 168c:0042
2841 [22:34:10] <judd> [168c:0042] is 'QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
2842 [22:34:16] <babilen> ugh :(
2843 [22:34:19] <e__> What
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2846 [22:34:26] <e__> So I have to go ethernet?
2847 [22:34:33] <babilen> That might be the case
2848 [22:35:08] <e__> Anything you could think of?
2849 [22:35:32] <babilen> I'd try the backported kernel
2850 [22:35:38] <e__> How would I do this?
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2852 [22:35:45] <Eduard_Munteanu> See above.
2853 [22:35:47] <babilen> See above
2854 [22:36:39] <Eliza777> Eduard_Munteanu, ?
2855 [22:36:47] <babilen> modinfo on my sid box list alias: pci:v0000168Cd00000042sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
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2857 [22:37:07] <babilen> So I guess that kernel would work .. you might also need firmware-atheros from backports
2858 [22:38:47] <babilen> e__: Essentially add a line such as "deb replaced-url
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2860 [22:39:00] <no_gravity> How can I turn off ipv6 on my machine?
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2862 [22:39:23] <babilen> no_gravity: Boot with ipv6.disable=1
2863 [22:39:32] <Eliza777> How to autorun apps?
2864 [22:39:32] <Dagger> no_gravity: generally you shouldn't need to. if you have no v6 on the network, you can still leave it enabled and it'll be fine
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2866 [22:39:51] <Dagger> (and if you have v6 but it's broken, then you should fix it rather than disable it)
2867 [22:39:53] <babilen> And it shouldn't be necessary to disable ipv6
2868 [22:40:01] <no_gravity> Dagger: I cannot reach a site and it seem ipv6 related. When I wget with -4 for example, it works.
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2870 [22:40:17] <babilen> no_gravity: Call your ISP and tell them they are bad
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2872 [22:40:26] <e__> It says that firmware-amd-graphics will be installed, but I have nvidia
2873 [22:40:46] <babilen> e__: That shouldn't be a problem
2874 [22:40:57] <e__> Should I just install anyways?
2875 [22:41:15] <Dagger> more likely to be a site-specific problem... in which case Firefox has network.dns.ipv4OnlyDomains for that, you shouldn't be disabling v6 system wide just because of one broken site
2876 [22:41:29] <babilen> e__: I don't see a problem with it. Feel free to install more specific packages if you don't want firmware-linux to pull in firmware-amd-graphics
2877 [22:41:44] <e__> Alright, I have a couple of other problems
2878 [22:41:47] <e__> As well
2879 [22:41:56] <babilen> What kind of problems?
2880 [22:42:13] <e__> Before I delve into those, do I need to reboot?
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2887 [22:44:02] <e__> I'll just do it anyways.
2888 [22:44:06] <babilen> e__: So you installed the backported kernel and the firmware?
2889 [22:44:09] <e__> Yes
2890 [22:44:14] <babilen> Yeah, reboot
2891 [22:44:38] <babilen> If it doesn't boot or you have problem select the old kernel in the grub menu
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2897 [22:46:34] <e___> Nope
2898 [22:46:46] <e___> Wifi isnt working still
2899 [22:47:29] <babilen> e__: What does "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i network" give you?
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2902 [22:48:23] <babilen> Ah, while you are at it. Include "uname -a" and "modprobe -r ath10k_pci ; modprobe ath10k_pci ; dmesg|tail -n23" and "iwlconfig"
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2904 [22:49:48] <e___> lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i network 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros Device [168c:0042] (rev 31) Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc Device [11ad:08a6] 04:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device [10ec:5287] (rev 01)
2905 [22:50:11] <e___> hold on ill pastebin this
2906 [22:50:21] <babilen> Ah, while you are at it. Include "uname -a" and "modprobe -r ath10k_pci ; modprobe ath10k_pci ; dmesg|tail -n23" and "iwlconfig"
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2911 [22:52:31] <e___> replaced-url
2912 [22:52:44] <e___> you mean iwconfig right?
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2914 [22:53:14] <babilen> I did, yes
2915 [22:53:24] <babilen> And please use a less horrible pastebin such as one of replaced-url
2916 [22:53:29] <babilen> (no need to repaste now)
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2918 [22:53:46] <e___> eth0 no wireless extensions. lo no wireless extensions.
2919 [22:53:53] <e___> for iwconfig
2920 [22:53:57] <babilen> You booted into the old kernel
2921 [22:54:10] <e___> How do I boot into the new one?
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2923 [22:54:16] <babilen> What does "COLUMS=200 dpkg -l 'linux-image*'" give you?
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2925 [22:55:25] <e___> replaced-url
2926 [22:55:28] <e___> oh oops
2927 [22:55:32] <e___> whatever
2928 [22:55:45] <babilen> I shall forgive you one more time and open that ad-laden page
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2930 [22:56:06] <babilen> dpkg: show sources.list
2931 [22:56:06] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
2932 [22:56:16] <babilen> e___: What does that ^^ give you?
2933 [22:56:28] <babilen> What about "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" ?
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2938 [22:58:17] <e___> replaced-url
2939 [22:58:55] <babilen> You didn't add jessie-backports to your sources.list
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2941 [22:59:12] <babilen> 2:38:45 babilen > e__: Essentially add a line such as "deb replaced-url
2942 [22:59:19] <babilen> firmware-linux ...
2943 [22:59:21] <babilen> ... firmware-atheros"
2944 [22:59:30] <babilen> grr .. that didn't c&p well :)
2945 [22:59:36] <e___> Yeah
2946 [22:59:38] <e___> I did
2947 [22:59:48] <e___> deb replaced-url
2948 [22:59:51] <e___> is in sources.list
2949 [22:59:55] <babilen> It's not in your sources.list
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2951 [23:00:04] <babilen> Ah, there it is
2952 [23:00:07] <babilen> Sorry ..
2953 [23:00:23] <e___> no problem
2954 [23:00:40] <babilen> Right, so run "apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-linux firmware-atheros" and paste the output
2955 [23:00:54] <e___> I already did that
2956 [23:01:02] <babilen> Well, the kernel didn't install ..
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2961 [23:01:46] <e___> I'll just run it again because it's prompting me with new stuff to install
2962 [23:01:55] <babilen> It should, yes
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2964 [23:02:41] <e___> ill reboot
2965 [23:02:51] <babilen> Did it install the new kernel now?
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2979 [23:10:44] <dale____> Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) 64-bit and Gnome, no scroll arrows and scroll bar moves too fast, using default Adwaita theme, system theme choice is locked blank
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2983 [23:12:41] <awal1> dale____, if you change any stuff for gnome-shell restart the shell (alt f r)
2984 [23:13:16] <dale____> be right back, thanks
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2986 [23:13:36] <awal1> Alt+F2+r press Enter ^
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2999 [23:17:34] <dale____> alt-f-r didn't change the arrows/bar
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3003 [23:18:29] <dale____> got the system them unlocked by replaced-url
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3012 [23:21:59] <Eliza777> And how to autorun 2 users on lightdm?
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3015 [23:23:13] <teraflops> dpkg: give Eliza777 xy
3016 [23:23:13] * dpkg gives Eliza777 xy
3017 [23:23:19] <teraflops> :S
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3020 [23:23:30] <teraflops> !xy
3021 [23:23:30] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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3025 [23:25:27] <hever> hello, I'm having some trouble setting up tor... it's installed, the torproxy port is open 9050 and I configured my browser to use it... but torproxy seems to be refusing connections... any ideas what I'm missing here?
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3029 [23:26:26] <TomTomTosch> hever: if tor refuses to start it's often because a tor proxy is already running, for example in form of tor browser bundle.
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3031 [23:27:04] <TomTomTosch> hever: or are you trying to make a normal browser connect to the socks5 proxy?
3032 [23:27:11] <hever> its started and the port is open... it just refuses connections (at least the browser tells me that) I'm not running a bundled browser version
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3034 [23:27:37] <hever> TomTomTosch, yes I'm just trying to use it with my iceweasel
3035 [23:28:06] <eclipse`> Hi, is there a way to set a memory usage on make? My vps provider seems to be killing it because it uses a lot of memory
3036 [23:28:45] <format_c> hever, have you tried testing the connection refusal using a terminal tool? nc? nmap? telnet?
3037 [23:28:53] <TomTomTosch> hever: you go to preferences.>advanced->connection->settings and set manual proxy configuration. there you only set a socks host and enable remote dns.
3038 [23:29:12] <hever> i nmaped it and the port 9050 is listening
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3041 [23:30:41] <TomTomTosch> hever: you set host to 127.0.0.01 and port to 9050. if it still complains try restarting the browser. it works for me with exactly that configuration.
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3043 [23:30:59] <TomTomTosch> * 127.0.0.1
3044 [23:31:06] <hever> now after I enabled remote dns and did not explicitly use the config for all protocols it says " It appears you have configured your web browser to use Tor as an HTTP proxy. This is not correct: Tor is a SOCKS proxy, not an HTTP proxy. Please configure your client accordingly. "
3045 [23:31:35] <TomTomTosch> that's why you don't set the http proxy field but only SOCKS Host
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3047 [23:32:46] <hever> ah ok... great it works, thanks!
3048 [23:32:52] <TomTomTosch> :)
3049 [23:32:57] <e_28> benaiah
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3052 [23:33:42] <eclipse`> anyone?
3053 [23:33:42] <e_28> when i installed that jessie backport kernel and rebooted, i cant startx
3054 [23:33:58] <e_28> but my files are still there
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3056 [23:35:55] <e_28> beisner i meant
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3059 [23:36:35] <e_28> beisner you were helping me not too long ago correct?
3060 [23:36:55] <teraflops> eclipse`: ulimit or cgroup I guess
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3062 [23:37:21] <eclipse`> teraflops, I have tried ulimit but I am getting out of memory errors
3063 [23:37:34] <e_28> or was it babilen
3064 [23:37:53] <format_c> ulimit only helps with stack memory exhaustion AFAIK
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3067 [23:38:09] <teraflops> try cgroups, even better try a better vps
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3069 [23:38:41] <teraflops> eclipse`: openvz there?
3070 [23:38:49] <eclipse`> yes
3071 [23:38:54] <teraflops> ^
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3074 [23:39:41] <e_28> i installed jessie backport and i installed the backport kernel but when i rebooted i cant 'startx'
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3076 [23:40:20] <eclipse`> teraflops, can I run make on another machine and move the files back?
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3081 [23:41:18] <e_28> anyone willing to help?
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3083 [23:41:23] <format_c> eclipse`, if it's the same processeor/OS arch, yes
3084 [23:41:39] <eclipse`> oh, I cant do it then
3085 [23:41:56] <format_c> e_28, in the risk repeating questions: what's the output?
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3087 [23:42:32] <format_c> e_28, has you'r nick any relation to e17?
3088 [23:42:42] <format_c> :-)
3089 [23:42:47] <e_28> no i was "e__" last time
3090 [23:43:13] <format_c> interessting
3091 [23:43:30] <e_28> fatal error: no screens found
3092 [23:43:47] <e_28> this is a laptop btw
3093 [23:43:53] <teraflops> eclipse`: you can cross compile sure, also be careful with namically linked' mean? - Stack ...
3094 [23:43:55] <teraflops> stackoverflow.com/.../what-do-statically-linked-and-dynamically-...
3095 [23:43:57] <teraflops> Traducir esta página
3096 [23:43:59] <teraflops> 22 nov. 2008 - Ask programming questions; Answer and help your peers; Get recognized for your expertise ... I often hear the terms 'statically linked' and 'dynamically linked', often in reference to code written in C, C++ or C#, but I don't know ...
3097 [23:44:01] <teraflops> c++ - When to use dynamic vs. static libraries - Stack Overflow
3098 [23:44:03] <teraflops> stackoverflow.com/.../when-to-use-dynamic-vs-static-libraries
3099 [23:44:05] <teraflops> Traducir esta página
3100 [23:44:07] <teraflops> 26 sept. 2008 - When creating a class library in C++, you can choose between dynamic (.dll) and static (.lib) libraries. What is the difference between them and ...
3101 [23:44:09] <teraflops> Difference Between Static and Dynamic Library Linking
3102 [23:44:11] <teraflops> cs-fundamentals.com/.../difference-between-static-and-dynamic-li...
3103 [23:44:13] <teraflops> Traducir esta página
3104 [23:44:15] <teraflops> The difference between static and dynamic (shared) link libraries is that static ... write might make use of other programs (which is usually the case), or libraries of ...
3105 [23:44:17] <teraflops> What is a linker, and what are dynamic and static linking?
3106 [23:44:19] <teraflops> replaced-url
3107 [23:44:21] <teraflops> Traducir esta página
3108 [23:44:23] <eclipse`> uh
3109 [23:44:23] <teraflops> 20 ago. 2015 - The linker inserts code (or maps in shared libraries) to resolve program ... This may require more disk space and memory than dynamic linking, but is ... When compiling a C program in Unix, why do I get "ld: Unresolved:"?
3110 [23:44:25] <teraflops> When to use dynamic linking and static linking - IBM
3111 [23:44:27] <teraflops> replaced-url
3112 [23:44:29] <teraflops> Traducir esta página
3113 [23:44:30] <eclipse`> teraflops, /flushq
3114 [23:44:31] <teraflops> With dynamic linking, external symbols referenced in user code and defined in a ... provides facilities for creating and using dynamically linked shared libraries. ... concurrently running applications (or copies of the same application) use the ...
3115 [23:44:33] <teraflops> Static library - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
3116 [23:44:34] <babilen> e_28: Which gpu?
3117 [23:44:35] <teraflops> replaced-url
3118 [23:44:37] <teraflops> Traducir esta página
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3120 [23:44:41] <eclipse`> REKT
3121 [23:44:46] <format_c> e_28, the error message says the (generated) xorg.conf doesn't have a valid <Screen> section.
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3123 [23:45:00] <e_28> babilen nvidia 940mx
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3125 [23:45:36] <babilen> e_28: And you use the proprietary nvidia driver?
3126 [23:45:36] <teraflops> I'm sorry it was a buffer incident
3127 [23:45:45] <format_c> it's probably not a question of the hardward, rather than the (virtual) config file contents
3128 [23:45:51] <eclipse`> np
3129 [23:46:00] <e_28> there is no xorg.conf :(
3130 [23:46:07] <e_28> that is weird
3131 [23:46:11] <babilen> No, it is not
3132 [23:46:22] <pipl> does anyone here dual boot debian with windows 10
3133 [23:46:33] <e_28> and babilen i havent installed anything nvidia related up to the point
3134 [23:46:47] <babilen> e_28: So you were using nouveau?
3135 [23:47:05] <e_28> yep
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3138 [23:47:23] <babilen> Well, not sure why that isn't working for you right now. Does the wifi work?
3139 [23:47:27] <e_28> would this have to do with that amd firmware thing I installed earlier?
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3143 [23:47:46] <babilen> I doubt it, but feel free to remove that particular firmware pacakge
3144 [23:47:57] <e_28> wifi doesnt work?
3145 [23:48:03] <e_28> :(
3146 [23:48:06] <babilen> You tell me
3147 [23:48:18] <e_28> i meant that as a statement
3148 [23:48:26] <e_28> the wifi doesnt work
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3150 [23:48:58] <babilen> So, you are booted into the new kernel now and "iwconfig", "lspci -knn -A2 -i network" and the modprobe statement still show that the card isn't working?
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3154 [23:50:22] <e_28> iwconfig says the same thing, lspci -knn -A2 -i network says no such pci access method
3155 [23:51:04] <babilen> Ah, forgot the grep .. clearly time to head off now :)
3156 [23:51:24] <babilen> But "uname -a" show the 4.6 kernel now?
3157 [23:51:47] <e_28> 4.6 yep
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3159 [23:52:31] <babilen> Curious ... well, i'm off. It was worth a try .. check what happens if you load the module and modinfo
3160 [23:52:59] <e_28> well now im stuck in tty1
3161 [23:53:12] <e_28> and i have been since i rebooted lol
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3164 [23:53:32] <TomTomTosch> you can always boot the old kernel if things don't work out.
3165 [23:53:52] <e_28> im literally stumped
3166 [23:53:54] <e_28> lol
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3168 [23:54:13] <e_28> how can i boot into the old kernel and get rid of this one(
3169 [23:54:40] <TomTomTosch> grub gives you a selection.
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3171 [23:55:26] <babilen> (i mentioned that earlier)
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3174 [23:56:06] <Time-Warp> what happens if you rm -frv /etc/default/grub
3175 [23:56:14] <Time-Warp> and then update-grub
3176 [23:56:37] <e_28> sorry about that
3177 [23:56:57] <lgc> Hi. I just installed VirtualBox 5.0 on my LMDE host. It can read the CD, but the USB options are greyed out.
3178 [23:57:02] <e_28> how do i remove this now?
3179 [23:57:08] <e_28> jessie backport
3180 [23:57:14] <e_28> and the backport kernel
3181 [23:57:47] <TomTomTosch> e_28: you boot the old kernel and remove the packages that you don't want.
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3183 [23:58:32] <TomTomTosch> that would be linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 for the backports kernel.
3184 [23:58:42] <e_28> thanks
3185 [23:58:45] <Time-Warp> opps
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