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0 [00:00:01] <teraflops> grub root?
1 [00:00:32] <t4nk794> i set root password under grub from boot screen now it still wont accept updated password
2 [00:01:07] <tremon> did you edit your pam configuration, or have multiple password providers installed?
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4 [00:01:25] <t4nk794> nope and nope was a fresh install due to bricked system
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8 [00:02:16] <teraflops> tremon: are you sure your keymap is right? this is not the first time I see people thinking they typed the right thing under the wrong keymap
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10 [00:02:44] <tremon> t4nk794: ^^ assuming this is for you :)
11 [00:02:54] <teraflops> tremon: yeah sorry
12 [00:03:10] <teraflops> I meant t4nk794, weechat has a smart(ass) tab completion
13 [00:03:13] <tremon> np
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15 [00:03:48] <t4nk794> mmm ty teraflops it seems UK layout is broken us worked for rooting up :P
16 [00:03:52] <tremon> t4nk794: well there is always an escape hatch: install sudo. It allows you to gain root access using your own password
17 [00:04:00] <t4nk794> i just tried in terminal :P
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19 [00:04:16] <teraflops> heh, to be sure just set the passwd to just e.g 1234 so youre sure they are 1234
20 [00:04:30] <teraflops> then change it when fixed
21 [00:04:50] <teraflops> assuming that's youre issue…
22 [00:04:58] <t4nk794> teraflops: its ok im about to edit sources.list and now im root reinstall uk keyboard so i can move from us :P
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24 [00:05:17] <t4nk794> never happened to me before though was a weird one :P
25 [00:06:08] <t4nk794> teraflops: and others thanks for your help :
26 [00:06:24] <teraflops> t4nk794: stay here for a long time, and youll see all the weirdness you can imagine :P
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29 [00:07:27] <t4nk794> teraflops: i will be coming on here as soon as i sort my client out again webchat sucks lol :P
30 [00:07:36] <teraflops> heh
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35 [00:08:56] <jhutchins> tremon: Yes, but how do you install sudo if you don't have root?
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41 [00:10:48] <jhutchins> The statement "I set root password under grub" doesn't parse well for me. What does grub have to do with the root password? You can set a grub password.
42 [00:11:03] <jhutchins> There is also a way to fix a b0rked root password.
43 [00:11:29] <tremon> jhutchins: download it under normal account, install it using init=/bin/sh. I was responding to the case where resetting the root password would fail in a root shell too
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45 [00:12:16] <jhutchins> tremon: Not usre how the init trick works under systemd, but if you can install it, you can set the root password.
46 [00:12:26] <tremon> of course, if that happened to me I'd simply edit /etc/shadow manually...
47 [00:12:27] <teraflops> jhutchins: yeah it works
48 [00:12:31] <t4nk794> jhutchins: the uk keyboard layout was incorrect as the package is broken so was causing incorrect entry of password when type at prompts
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50 [00:13:07] <jhutchins> t4nk794: Having had to deal with some foreign keyboard problems over the years I sympathise.
51 [00:13:15] <t4nk794> jhutchins: i switched to US Keyboard layout and it worked first time , hence the package is broken :(
52 [00:13:37] <jhutchins> t4nk794: Still don't understand what you mean by set root password under grub.
53 [00:14:04] <t4nk794> jhutchins: passwd: triggered prompts as i was in root grub
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55 [00:14:46] <tremon> that can't happen. if you're in grub, passwd can't run
56 [00:15:11] <jhutchins> "root grub" is not a thing.
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72 [00:20:45] <jhutchins> t4nk794: I'm mildly curious about what you actually did. It doesn't matter since you've apparently fixed it, but you're not using terminolgy that makes sense to us.
73 [00:20:47] <__CoolGuy> how do I change the icons with the awesome desktop manager? Anybody?
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83 [00:22:23] <jhutchins> !awesome
84 [00:22:23] <dpkg> well, awesome is a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. replaced-url
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86 [00:22:51] <__CoolGuy> ok, thanks
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158 [01:06:00] <turbo64> whats the difference between using aptitude and apt-get
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161 [01:07:01] <missmbob> turbo64: aptitude does some crazy magic to figure out weird dependencies and such. apt-get is less creative
162 [01:07:16] <missmbob> turbo64: there are other differences but that's the main point
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272 [02:13:09] <winsen> hi all
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274 [02:13:20] <average> how does one add their feed to planet debian ?
275 [02:13:43] <winsen> does anyone know why my usb mouse doesn't work on debian nor on windoz? thanks
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281 [02:16:38] <cafuego> it's broken
282 [02:17:07] <missmbob> heh
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286 [02:17:57] <missmbob> seriously though...it could be the port and not the mouse :P likely the mouse, though
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298 [02:28:43] <karsten> !win cafuego
299 [02:28:43] <dpkg> Congratulations, cafuego! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
300 [02:29:15] <k0000> will debian work with intel braswell/ j3710m?
301 [02:29:29] <k0000> replaced-url
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305 [02:32:48] <karsten> k0000: What's the chip's instruction set?
306 [02:33:13] <k0000> karsten, i dont know im not into those
307 [02:33:29] <k0000> i want to buy a board with intel integrated cpu
308 [02:33:39] <k0000> and curious if will run debian
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310 [02:35:12] <k0000> i want to try get familiar with gnu/linux, switch from windows
311 [02:35:18] <karsten> k0000: Best I can make out on a quick read: it's a low-power IA64 chip. So yes, almost certainly.
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314 [02:35:25] <karsten> replaced-url
315 [02:36:09] <bhurstpdx1> In debian, where would I watch for failed lightdm login attempts?
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319 [02:37:31] <karsten> bhurstpdx1: I'd start w/ /var/log/messages, possibly secure.
320 [02:37:38] <karsten> bhurstpdx1: grep is your friend.
321 [02:38:21] <prussian> depends on your syslog facilities bhurstpdx1
322 [02:38:39] <bhurstpdx1> thanks i've got a systemd startup script that sends automated alerts
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325 [02:39:07] <bhurstpdx1> I want to modify it so that it sends an alert after 5 authentication failures.
326 [02:39:28] <bhurstpdx1> thanks for the pointers
327 [02:39:37] <karsten> bhurstpdx1: Hrm. /var/log/secure is a RedHatism, I think.
328 [02:39:45] <karsten> bhurstpdx1: NP.
329 [02:40:18] <prussian> its all syslog ism
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343 [02:55:54] <jmcnaught> bhurstpdx1: did you look in /var/log/auth.log? you could also try "journalctl -u lightdm" (or whatever its service name is)
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350 [03:03:18] <pie__> are you guys happs with debians current use of systemd?
351 [03:03:36] <karsten> !tell pie__ about systemd
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353 [03:03:51] <pie__> *happy
354 [03:04:29] <jmcnaught> pie__: if you have a support question about systemd then asking it here is fine, but if you just want to talk about it #debian-offtopic is a better place (please no rants though)
355 [03:04:32] <karsten> pie__: Some are. Some aren't. It's fairly much decided for debian.
356 [03:04:38] <karsten> !tell pie__ why systemd
357 [03:04:47] <pie__> ok
358 [03:05:08] <karsten> FWIW, I'm not.
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405 [03:39:16] <mo1991reg> I am running debian stable as a vmware host and winblow 7 as vmware guest. XFCE as desktop on my laptop computer. When I close the lid, it suspends and coming out of suspend it asks for password as it should. However, if I close lid while vmware win 7 is fullscreen, it still suspends, but doesn't ask for password coming out of suspend. once that happens, regardless of focus, it won't ask for password coming out of suspend.
406 [03:39:16] <mo1991reg> Seems like vmware is somehow inhibiting the lock screen. Any ideas how to fix this, fairly glaring security issue???
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409 [03:41:03] <karsten> mo1991reg: an on-lid-close event signalling "lock" to all xscreensaver instances? Are you running xscreensaver or does xfce have a built-in?
410 [03:41:19] <karsten> mo1991reg: I suspect latter's still got some sort of command interface.
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415 [03:44:43] <mo1991reg> karsten - i have disabled screensaver, and am using xfce power manager to deal with suspend - laptop close events. BTW - same behavior if I use power key to suspend.
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417 [03:45:19] <mo1991reg> works perfect, until I focus on vmware win guest fullscreen and suspend. that seems to somehow disable screen locking.
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420 [03:47:54] <mo1991reg> vmware certainly seems the culprit - still I need my laptop to lock when I shut the lid. And I need to be running vmware win as guest for work.
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422 [03:48:25] <karsten> mo1991reg: Hrm. Does it matter what guest you're running? And does xfce power manager give any indication of events (say a debug or logging mode)?
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427 [03:52:10] <mo1991reg> karsten - I doubt the guest matters. I only have tried running win7 in vmware guest. I use virtualbox for most other vm's. I'm going to test right now on my desktop pc hibernate function, and see if it kills screen lock also.
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433 [03:56:01] <karsten> mo1991reg: FreeDOS is a quick'n'easy guest. One possiblity is that VMWare's stealing the lid-close event.
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438 [03:57:32] <socomm> Why people even use VMWare on linux?
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448 [04:03:28] <karsten> socomm: organic carrots, to draw from a discussion I'm having elsewhere. Different tastes.
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452 [04:04:46] <mo1991_> hmmm, my desktop has never really played well with debian suspend commands, hard to use this to test
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459 [04:09:27] <quantomworks> hokay, I installed and got my raspberry pi working. where can I find a list of applications to apt-get install?
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462 [04:10:06] <ghaberek> quantomworks: you can do "apt search <name>" to find things quickly
463 [04:10:52] <ghaberek> might want to head over to #raspberrypi and #raspbian as well
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466 [04:12:28] <quantomworks> Thank you! This helps a lot.
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523 [05:04:14] <quantomworks> I keep hearing the words "debain squeeze" when doing research on compatible software... Is this what is needed to run normal linux programs that run on x86?
524 [05:04:44] <quantomworks> Using a raspberry pi here
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529 [05:11:03] <Hijiri> is mame a recent addition to the repo?
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531 [05:11:21] <Hijiri> I remember losing it when purging my system of dmm
532 [05:11:33] <Hijiri> but now I see it in main
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538 [05:15:03] <karsten> Hijiri: that's a long-time tool.
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541 [05:16:30] <karsten> Hijiri: Though you might want to look for xmame instead.
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585 [05:47:36] <verdammte> Ich werde auf die Juden furzen
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587 [05:47:42] <verdammte> Ich werde die Netzbetreiber informieren, dass Sie gegen Ausländer diskriminieren !
588 [05:47:43] <verdammte> Ich will Sex mit Miley Cyrus zu haben
589 [05:47:48] <verdammte> Sprichst du Deutsch?
590 [05:47:50] <verdammte> Ich werde auf die Juden furzen
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592 [05:47:51] <verdammte> Sprichst du Deutsch?
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599 [05:49:35] <internat> !german
600 [05:49:35] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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604 [05:51:17] <verdammte> dpkg: ficken das!
605 [05:51:17] <dpkg> verdammte: I wish you would RTFM.
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607 [05:51:29] <verdammte> ICH BIN EIN NAZI!
608 [05:51:37] <verdammte> Ich werde auf die Juden furzen
609 [05:51:38] <verdammte> Ich will Sex mit Miley Cyrus zu haben
610 [05:51:44] <verdammte> Sprichst du Deutsch?
611 [05:52:00] <internat> !ops
612 [05:52:00] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
613 [05:52:19] <internat> dpkg: ops verdammte
614 [05:52:19] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: internat complains about: verdammte
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616 [05:52:26] <verdammte> !ops
617 [05:52:26] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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621 [05:53:33] <internat> i should have translated that before i sent them to .de my bad
622 [05:55:05] <russw> are the xorg-dev and xserver-org-dev safe to remove?
623 [05:55:48] <russw> I've just been grinding my way through a wheezy->jessie upgrade and am in a state where I can't do a followup dist-upgrade... one of the problematic packages is mesa-common-dev, and removing that wants to remove those packages.
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629 [05:57:40] <battery> Small CD vs Tiny CD, what is difference?
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691 [06:46:25] <JustinHitla> anyone here ?
692 [06:46:49] <polyzen> maybe
693 [06:46:51] <Kobaz> nope
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695 [06:47:07] <JustinHitla> so how you update software that can itself update daily ?
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697 [06:47:56] <Kobaz> like unattended upgrades?
698 [06:48:05] <JustinHitla> like youtube-dl, the page replaced-url
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701 [06:48:34] <Kobaz> it's going to be application specific
702 [06:48:44] <Kobaz> you could write a script to git pull, rebuild and make install
703 [06:48:48] <JustinHitla> or there is only one update of all packages happens when new debian released ? untill then you have to compile from source if you want fresh software ?
704 [06:49:24] <Kobaz> packages get updated on a rolling basis in debian
705 [06:49:33] <Kobaz> but when the get updated is up to the package maintainer
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708 [06:50:42] <JustinHitla> Kobaz: but there are special cases when some security vulnerability discovered, the patched package of the software is released within hours ? days ?
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711 [06:52:13] <Kobaz> sometimes, yes
712 [06:52:21] <Kobaz> you can apt-get update/install those
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724 [07:06:16] <JustinHitla> anyone uses "nouveau" driver ? is it good in performance ?
725 [07:06:44] <Kobaz> i've used it, it's good
726 [07:06:52] <Kobaz> haven't done any gaming with it
727 [07:07:05] <Kobaz> but workstation type stuff is responsive and stable
728 [07:07:09] <JustinHitla> that's it, why bother with driver if you don't do gaming
729 [07:07:27] <JustinHitla> workstation type stuff can use any generic driver and be responsive and stable
730 [07:07:33] <Kobaz> not necessarily
731 [07:07:56] <Kobaz> try using a non 2d accelerated svga driver on an nvidia or ati
732 [07:08:10] <Kobaz> your window drags will be choppy, desktop switching slow
733 [07:08:14] <JustinHitla> ATI ? you mean radeon ?
734 [07:08:30] <Kobaz> well, owned by amd now, but
735 [07:08:33] <Kobaz> yeah
736 [07:08:43] <JustinHitla> what is the proper name "ATI" or "Radeon" ?
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738 [07:08:51] <Kobaz> amd radeon
739 [07:08:55] <Kobaz> ati got bought
740 [07:09:00] <Kobaz> but it was ati for like 15 years
741 [07:09:11] <Kobaz> so that's what comes to my mind
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789 [07:56:50] <hassoon> CHVNX: :D
790 [07:57:04] <CHVNX> -_-
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793 [07:57:19] <hassoon> i miss that nickname , welcome back
794 [07:57:33] <CHVNX> I received your note.
795 [07:57:40] <hassoon> glad you red it
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873 [08:58:47] <verdammte> COME HELP ME TROLL #freenode
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878 [09:00:22] <wmctrl> Hello
879 [09:00:24] <wmctrl> The command "wmctrl -l" gives the list of all windows currently running in the window manager. I want to take the ones that have a 0 next to them and use wmctrl -c on them. How can I do this? Here's what I have: replaced-url
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924 [09:35:13] <Fjorgynn> so
925 [09:35:18] <Fjorgynn> got a qestion
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928 [09:35:30] <Fjorgynn> if I only want to upgrade like audacity?
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930 [09:35:42] <Fjorgynn> is apt-get upgrade audacity or apt-get install audacity the correct command?
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933 [09:36:21] <babilen> thr latter
934 [09:36:29] <themill> there will only be one version available and you can either install it or not
935 [09:36:37] <Fjorgynn> :)
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938 [09:37:05] <Fjorgynn> at work someone installed linux int 17.x and I don't want old firefox
939 [09:37:14] <Fjorgynn> and I don't want to upgrade everything either
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941 [09:37:32] <Fjorgynn> best part is that I have sudo because the "kiosk" account has sudo
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944 [09:37:34] <Fjorgynn> noobs
945 [09:37:55] <Fjorgynn> But thanks
946 [09:37:57] * themill searches for the relevance to #debian
947 [09:38:21] <Fjorgynn> themill: because I was in here. And my vps has debian
948 [09:38:29] <Fjorgynn> 09:38:29 up 318 days, 11:40, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
949 [09:38:43] <Fjorgynn> apt-get install sl
950 [09:38:48] <themill> so, "none" and you are still at the stage where you think uptime is relevant.
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967 [09:50:12] <rhizome> are you bragging about the uptime on a shared server account
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970 [09:51:25] <plpower> hi i want to tuy wheezy having ubuntu installed
971 [09:51:33] <plpower> fre disk space is 60GB
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973 [09:51:42] <plpower> do i need to make a new swap
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975 [09:52:10] <plpower> the UB is in external partition
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999 [10:04:40] <MaBunny> are there any GBA Emulators for Jessie,i did like to play the old poke games on my pc
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1004 [10:08:09] <Fjorgynn> probably
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1006 [10:08:43] <Fjorgynn> MaBunny: look up what retropie uses for emulators
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1008 [10:09:21] <MaBunny> are there any package names i did search in apt or synaptic
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1011 [10:12:38] <Fjorgynn> p visualboyadvance - full featured Game Boy Advance emulator
1012 [10:12:40] <nkuttler> MaBunny: apt-cache search game boy advance
1013 [10:12:56] <MaBunny> thnx guys will do
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1016 [10:13:43] <MaBunny> yes found it...thnx you all :)
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1083 [10:56:40] <Doxin> using equivs is there some way to build a fake package that keeps working regardless of version? I'm getting annoyed of having to repeatedly fake my video driver
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1092 [11:02:01] <MaBunny> Fjorgynn,nkuttler: i downloaded poke roms like Light Platinum ....but VisualGameboyAdvance doest run those files
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1094 [11:03:33] <MaBunny> what do i do to run .zip files in VisualGameboyAdvance
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1096 [11:04:14] <soko> there is an open wifi access point i can connect to, web browsing seems to be blocked/trotteled. however the package manager updates/downloads with 250kB/s; but like 2kB/s for anything else; steam could also easily update, i even could play half-life 2 death match with little ping; any idea what is happening and how to get around it?
1097 [11:04:18] <soko> MaBunny: emulator game.zip
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1107 [11:09:21] <ByteStorm> srry i got disconnetd...
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1109 [11:09:33] <ByteStorm> can you guys tell me how to run tht game?
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1113 [11:10:55] <ByteStorm> soko: is emulator a command?
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1117 [11:11:39] <Payl> Hi guys, How can i check if my kernel is multiprocessor-capable? It seems that while i have multiple cores, debian sees just one... Ideas?
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1119 [11:12:04] <soko> ByteStorm: no.., just example
1120 [11:12:10] <ByteStorm> ok
1121 [11:12:29] <soko> mgba-sdl mario.zip
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1123 [11:12:43] <ByteStorm> wht is the terminal command for visualgameboy advance?
1124 [11:12:49] <ByteStorm> ok
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1126 [11:13:41] <ByteStorm> apt-cache didnt show mgba-sdl
1127 [11:13:46] <soko> or vbam-sdl
1128 [11:13:51] <ByteStorm> ok
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1148 [11:26:47] <MaBunny> soko: i updated and then searched vbam-sdl,but it didnt show anything
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1151 [11:28:10] <soko> it maybe under a different name, try apt search gameboy
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1154 [11:28:30] <MaBunny> ok
1155 [11:28:35] <Drone10371948393> We are the Borg.
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1157 [11:28:43] <Drone93019302791> Resistance is futile.
1158 [11:28:51] <Drone01837102190> You will be assimilated.
1159 [11:28:52] <XeonSquared> Should we embrace systemd?
1160 [11:29:00] <MaBunny> troll!
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1162 [11:29:55] <MaBunny> soko: is it mednafen?
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1165 [11:30:15] <soko> sure, that may work too
1166 [11:30:17] <Drone10371948393> Negative
1167 [11:30:25] <Rephlexie> replaced-url
1168 [11:30:27] <soko> mednafen emulates a lot of stuff
1169 [11:30:54] <Drone93019302791> mednafen is a primitive solution. Origin: Earth.
1170 [11:31:17] <Drone01837102190> it is no longer of any concern to us
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1173 [11:31:57] <MaBunny> soko: does it support .zip files?
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1178 [11:32:40] <Payl> Let me reask my question: How do I check if my kernel is SMP? How can I upgrade my kernel to be SMP? I'm on debian x86.
1179 [11:32:46] <soko> probably, i haven't really used it in a while
1180 [11:33:25] <MaBunny> ok
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1187 [11:34:54] <XeonSquared> Payl: uname -a
1188 [11:35:04] <XeonSquared> If it has the word 'SMP' in it it's SMP
1189 [11:35:26] <XeonSquared> If not it should be in the stock kernel
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1191 [11:35:31] <Payl> It doesnt have :/ Any idea how i can upgrade it then?
1192 [11:36:06] <Payl> It's Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02) i686 GNU/Linux no SMP...
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1195 [11:36:16] <XeonSquared> First are you on a SMP machine?
1196 [11:36:41] <Payl> Uh well, It's virtualized x86 machine with more than one CPU assigned
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1198 [11:37:12] <Payl> My Machine is x64 Windows and Debian is guest in Vbox... All running in VT-x :P
1199 [11:37:38] <XeonSquared> The package 'linux-image-686-pae' or 'linux-image-amd64' should contain a SMP kernel
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1201 [11:38:02] <XeonSquared> (The 586 kernel is probably SMP as well but I've not used it in a long time)
1202 [11:38:17] <Payl> ah this might explain things, I might need to enable PAE in vbox...
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1205 [11:39:15] <Payl> XeonSquared: Is there anything else I need to do after I install package? or just reboot?
1206 [11:39:26] <XeonSquared> Hopefully that'll work
1207 [11:40:12] <XeonSquared> Don't know if PAE will make any difference but it's worth a shot
1208 [11:40:39] <Payl> Well after reboot vbox complained that it tried to use PAE but I didnt enable it... will enable
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1211 [11:41:22] <Payl> yep now its booting, will try uname -a in sec
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1213 [11:42:01] <Payl> oh yes now it reports SMP, and it sees all CPUs... yay! XeonSquared Thanks! :)
1214 [11:42:08] <XeonSquared> Glad I could help
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1236 [11:51:51] <MaBunny> Payl if you are using Virtual Box then join #vbox
1237 [11:52:28] <Payl> MaBunny: I did and they sent me here because they thought it was guest problem, not vbox one :P
1238 [11:53:07] <MaBunny> enable PAE...it should work,i had used Virtual Box too once...quite recently actually
1239 [11:53:11] <stoimenow> hell... replaced-url
1240 [11:53:14] <MaBunny> iirc
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1243 [11:53:51] <Payl> MaBunny: You must've missed when i said it worked :D . Yes I know, I did enable it and it works like charm ;)
1244 [11:54:10] <MaBunny> ah ok just helping
1245 [11:54:37] <Payl> MaBunny: yes I know :) its ok ;p
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1247 [11:54:43] <MaBunny> ok
1248 [11:55:07] <MaBunny> soko: the zip i downloaded had a .gba file inside it...stupid me :D
1249 [11:55:31] <CuteMeOwnThroat> Payl, why aren't you using the amd64 kernels?
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1251 [11:55:55] <MaBunny> CutMeOwnThroat: its inside a vbox
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1253 [11:55:57] <CuteMeOwnThroat> Payl, or more general... an amd64 install... who needs 32bit anymore for what?
1254 [11:56:22] <Payl> I need 32bit, because i'm building software that cant be crosscompiled
1255 [11:56:31] <Payl> and I have library that is only 32bit :P
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1257 [11:56:54] <CuteMeOwnThroat> then it surely only runs on one thread :P
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1259 [11:57:09] <Payl> CuteMeOwnThroat: No, i ran it on as much as 16CPUs
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1261 [11:57:52] <MaBunny> Payl: then you must be quite rich too :P
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1264 [11:58:07] <Payl> Yes lol... I bought 200$ used server
1265 [11:58:17] <Payl> that has 16 vCPUs ;p
1266 [11:58:23] <MaBunny> how much total ram
1267 [11:58:27] <Payl> 24GB
1268 [11:58:36] <MaBunny> bad
1269 [11:58:51] <MaBunny> you can buy one motherboard with 512 gb ram
1270 [11:59:20] <Payl> MaBunny: Where I live, that was pretty much best offer :P
1271 [11:59:45] <MaBunny> MSI Z97s SLI KRAIT
1272 [12:00:33] <Payl> It only supports one cpu..
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1274 [12:00:58] <Payl> My 200$ server has 2 E5620 Xeonx...
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1276 [12:01:29] <Payl> Xeons* and i can pretty much install more ram... up to 192GB
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1287 [12:06:18] <MaBunny> nah tht wasnt the one
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1309 [12:17:59] <battery> how can i install pip of python?
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1314 [12:21:42] <nkuttler> battery: apt-cache search python pip
1315 [12:22:08] <battery> thanks nkuttler
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1342 [12:40:37] <McD> Hi, I am looking for a Debian-Squeeze packet called "debian-security-support", "apt-cache search" does not return hits
1343 [12:41:11] <babilen> judd: v debian-security-support
1344 [12:41:12] <judd> Package: debian-security-support on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2015.04.04~bpo70+1; wheezy: 2015.04.04~deb7u1; jessie: 2015.04.04; squeeze-security-lts: 2016.01.07~deb6u1; wheezy-security: 2016.05.24~deb7u1; stretch: 2016.05.24; sid: 2016.05.24
1345 [12:41:21] <babilen> McD: ^
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1348 [12:42:16] <babilen> McD: And you really shouldn't use squeeze anymore -- All security support ended and you are therefore exposing yourself to massive risks
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1351 [12:43:04] <McD> Shut up ..., i stopped using ubuntu, because of ppl tell me what to do.... I own the machine, the software does not own me... !
1352 [12:43:09] <McD> babilen:
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1354 [12:43:41] <McD> I am exposing myselft to HiV m, maybe...
1355 [12:43:46] <McD> you are a risk...
1356 [12:43:58] <McD> stop talking nonsense..
1357 [12:44:07] <bazhang> McD, please dont
1358 [12:44:55] <babilen> McD: Relax please and it is far from being nonsense
1359 [12:45:06] <McD> bye... !
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1362 [12:45:14] <babilen> *sigh*
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1366 [12:51:04] <haxx0r> hi narod
1367 [12:51:13] <haxx0r> good morning
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1412 [13:21:56] <Darkhunter> Hi guys, I tried to reinstall python3, because I had kinda weird version. After uninstalling it everything went broken.
1413 [13:22:37] <Darkhunter> I tried to uninstall some packages, which had dependencies python3, but it doesn't let me uninstall it without python3. And I can't install python3 back, bcs of these unresolved dependencies...
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1421 [13:27:03] <Darkhunter> I am really desperate...Apt-get is totally broken :/
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1423 [13:27:37] <bazhang> why would you even remove python
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1425 [13:27:51] <TomTomTosch> !tell Darkhunter about bat
1426 [13:27:54] <Darkhunter> bazhang: Because I tried to install python-dev
1427 [13:27:56] <pyslock> yo sup man?
1428 [13:28:07] <Darkhunter> bazhang: And it told me, that I have bad version of it
1429 [13:28:11] <TomTomTosch> Darkhunter: need more info. the bot sent you instructions.
1430 [13:28:43] <TomTomTosch> Darkhunter: did you install python from the debian repo or did you build it yourself.
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1432 [13:29:16] <Darkhunter> TomTomTosch: It was installed by default.
1433 [13:29:40] <Darkhunter> pyslock: I tried to reinstall python3, because I had kinda weird version. After uninstalling it everything went broken.I tried to uninstall some packages, which had dependencies python3, but it doesn't let me uninstall it without python3. And I can't install python3 back, bcs of these unresolved dependencies...
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1435 [13:30:38] <TomTomTosch> "I tried to reinstall python3, because I had kinda weird version" - if the one in the repo had a "weird version", how did you try to reinstall it?
1436 [13:31:59] <Darkhunter> TomTomTosch: replaced-url
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1445 [13:33:49] <TomTomTosch> Darkhunter: testing/unstable support is over at #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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1450 [13:34:24] <Darkhunter> TomTomTosch: Ah, ok
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1452 [13:34:33] <blawiz> i can find and list mails with 'mu' but it doesnt specify which file or folder its in? :S
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1485 [13:54:45] <MrOwl> if I wanted to only upgrade dovecot related packages from backports, how would I do that?
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1494 [14:01:23] <Hello71> that sounds like a great way to break your system
1495 [14:01:57] <Hello71> there's a !trigger for that...
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1499 [14:04:03] <nkuttler> MrOwl: just install the package
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1502 [14:05:45] <MrOwl> nkuttler: apparently I needed to do apt-get -t jessie-backports install dovecot
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1504 [14:07:00] <nkuttler> MrOwl: makes sense
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1533 [14:22:39] <MrOwl> how would I view the compilation options for a package from backports?
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1539 [14:25:39] <missmbob> MrOwl: download the source and look in debian/rules file
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1557 [14:33:10] <Aina> Where get littellest Debian install image?
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1560 [14:35:40] <Aina> Hey?
1561 [14:36:41] <Aina> Where get 2 MB image?
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1563 [14:38:49] <missmbob> i hope you mean 200ish and not 2
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1572 [14:48:24] <daniel-s> I have this problem when trying to compile something that uses glib.
1573 [14:48:25] <daniel-s> replaced-url
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1575 [14:48:41] <daniel-s> Ordinarily I would say I need to include the package, but I can confirm it's installed.
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1578 [14:50:05] <missmbob> daniel-s: install libglib2.0-dev
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1612 [15:17:50] <CuteMeOwnThroat> judd, versions sqlite
1613 [15:17:51] <judd> Package: sqlite on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.17-6; wheezy: 2.8.17-7; jessie: 2.8.17-12; stretch: 2.8.17-12+b1; sid: 2.8.17-12+b1
1614 [15:18:07] <CuteMeOwnThroat> why'd one want to compile sqlite anyway
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1617 [15:19:16] <TomTomTosch> and where is that unicode cat from?
1618 [15:19:20] <Alika_> Hello!
1619 [15:19:37] <Alika_> How to make own OS based on Debian?
1620 [15:20:00] <CuteMeOwnThroat> TomTomTosch, the internet
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1622 [15:20:43] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, pure blend
1623 [15:20:44] <dpkg> A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. replaced-url
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1628 [15:23:49] <MrOwl> what would you guys use as a SOCKS proxy daemon so I can tunnel exim through it?
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1643 [15:33:58] <CuteMeOwnThroat> sshd?
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1645 [15:34:43] <MrOwl> as a daemon?
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1654 [15:43:42] <chep> hi. I'm trying to install debian using netinst. Install is ok but after reboot the bios can't see my hdd (uefi). If i boot on usb key it's ok and I cand start rescue mode. I tried to reinstall grub but still the same... Can anybody help please?
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1664 [15:50:28] <Alika_> Own OS?
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1666 [15:50:59] <iamawesome> Anyone there?
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1682 [15:57:39] <iamawesome> Anyone there?
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1687 [15:59:32] <Alika_> Friends?
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1692 [16:03:56] <iamawesome> Where is the file to set default application to run .jar files?
1693 [16:04:02] <iamawesome> Which file to edit?
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1696 [16:06:11] <teraflops> iamawesome: it depends on your WM/DE, for xfce4 is exo, for gnome is gvfs-mime and for a WM is xdg-mime, and you usually do not edit files directly
1697 [16:06:49] <teraflops> iamawesome: also it has no sense asking "Anyone there?"
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1703 [16:08:39] <iamawesome> Gnome
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1706 [16:09:03] <iamawesome> Whereis gvfs-mime
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1708 [16:09:20] <irkerDePount> Hi
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1711 [16:09:35] <ven00m> ha all
1712 [16:09:57] <ven00m> Hi*
1713 [16:10:01] <ven00m> ))
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1809 [17:09:06] <iamawesome> Exec=env LANG=he_IL.UTF-8 abiword %U
1810 [17:09:10] <iamawesome> What is %U ?
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1815 [17:10:10] <obiwahn> is there a way to specify the wifi firmware direcetly? (e.g. iwlwifi-8000C-16.ucode)
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1826 [17:17:07] <petn-randall> obiwahn: Directly where?
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1831 [17:18:25] <sn0wmonster> i have a VPS running debian. how can i run a GUI on it and connect to it visually? do i need to install X and connect over SSH? should i just install VNC?
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1834 [17:19:04] <TheQuestionmark> We have two laptops, one with Debian8 (mine) and another with Windows10. Now we try to share files directly using Samba but neither one can see the other. Is something wrong? I already set the Win laptop to leave the workgroup but still no success.
1835 [17:19:22] <petn-randall> sn0wmonster: I recommend against installing a GUI on a remote, headless system. What would you need it for?
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1837 [17:20:12] <sn0wmonster> petn-randall, my local machine uses Tor, and the Tor browser has the issue with the great cloudflare firewall every 2 seconds
1838 [17:20:18] <sn0wmonster> i'd like to the use the browser inside the VPS instead
1839 [17:21:01] <sn0wmonster> i use lynx for most things just fine, but every once in while is a poorly designed site that requires some special trickery for basic functionality that lynx can't do
1840 [17:21:45] <Payl> sn0wmonster: sounds like you want a VPN
1841 [17:22:17] <sn0wmonster> Payl: no, not really.
1842 [17:22:22] <mariooliveira> sn0wmonster, i conect to remote computer using ssh -X root@xxxxx then type chrome or firefox
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1844 [17:22:48] <mariooliveira> u have to have desktop instaled on it
1845 [17:23:02] <sn0wmonster> mariooliveira, so it works graphically over SSH?
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1847 [17:23:07] <mariooliveira> yes
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1849 [17:23:27] <mariooliveira> sn0wmonster, yes you need -X option
1850 [17:23:35] <sn0wmonster> thank you, i will give that a shot
1851 [17:24:12] <optraz_> how to set in the kernel in grub screen so that it will not load radeon driver but the generic driver?
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1853 [17:24:34] <sn0wmonster> mariooliveira, what is the X package name?
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1856 [17:25:07] <mariooliveira> sn0wmonster, no ssh -X root@ server
1857 [17:25:18] <mariooliveira> -X is an option
1858 [17:25:30] <sn0wmonster> but you said i needed to install the desktop on the VPS,
1859 [17:25:34] <sn0wmonster> what package would that be?
1860 [17:25:45] <sn0wmonster> (i thought that was called X)
1861 [17:25:57] <Payl> installing desktop on VPS isnt good idea...
1862 [17:26:11] <sn0wmonster> Payl: i agree for the most part.
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1864 [17:26:32] <Payl> sn0wmonster: why exactly VPN isnt what you are looking for?
1865 [17:26:38] <mariooliveira> sn0wmonster, you have to have a working firefox or chrome on server
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1868 [17:28:32] <sn0wmonster> Payl: VPNs don't play well with Tor, this computer is using Tails, and also VPNs can relay sensitive network stack information that a normal "proxy" like this would not
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1870 [17:28:35] <mariooliveira> sn0wmonster, sometimes i use that command to open in my computer a brwser witha diferent user name
1871 [17:29:05] <mariooliveira> my desktop computer
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1877 [17:32:24] <Payl> sn0wmonster: why would you use a proxy + Tor? cloudflare is blocking you because of your IP, and if you are using tor, you dont want your IP to be known...
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1891 [17:37:22] <CuteMeOwnThroat> why is it a bad idea to install a desktop on a vps?
1892 [17:37:33] <sn0wmonster> Payl: Tor + VPS (as a proxy)
1893 [17:37:38] <sn0wmonster> not Proxy + tor
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1895 [17:37:49] <Payl> sn0wmonster: VPS is a type of service, not a protocol
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1897 [17:38:15] <Payl> sn0wmonster: but i understand you want to run proxy on ur VPS
1898 [17:38:32] <Payl> sn0wmonster: then tell me whats point of Tor, since everyone will see IP of your VPS?
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1901 [17:38:51] <sn0wmonster> well, moreso than just proxy, i want the VPS to be SSHable to do things on it that stay on the VPS
1902 [17:39:02] <sn0wmonster> I don't care if they see the VPS, it is anonymous
1903 [17:39:26] <Payl> if you logged once from your IP, its not... :P
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1905 [17:39:53] <sn0wmonster> yea, never logged in once from my IP, only over Tor.
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1907 [17:39:54] <sn0wmonster> appreciate the concern though!
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1914 [17:41:42] <mariooliveira> sn0wmonster, your isp knows
1915 [17:41:52] <sn0wmonster> my ISP knows that I use Tor, yes.
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1918 [17:42:14] <Payl> since I run a Tor node, i must be a criminal
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1921 [17:42:25] <Pr0t3us> ^ lol true story
1922 [17:42:29] <TomTomTosch> tor -> vpn is a common setup. nothing wrong with that.
1923 [17:42:42] <sn0wmonster> TomTomTosch, this issue is more about Tails than Tor.
1924 [17:42:49] <Pr0t3us> bridge -> tor -> vpn even
1925 [17:43:09] <Pr0t3us> whats your issue?
1926 [17:43:16] <mariooliveira> how about vpn to server and run tor on server
1927 [17:43:25] <sn0wmonster> Again, issue is not Tor as much as Tails
1928 [17:43:28] <Payl> sn0wmonster: if you want to be extra cautious, you can relay VPN from virtual machine like whonix
1929 [17:43:42] <sn0wmonster> Payl: *tails*
1930 [17:43:47] <Pr0t3us> tails will let you use a bridge
1931 [17:43:53] <Pr0t3us> what do you need to do sn0w?
1932 [17:44:07] <sn0wmonster> Log in to one or two websites from the VPN's IP address basically
1933 [17:44:11] <Payl> he needs to hack NSA :D
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1935 [17:44:17] <mariooliveira> Pr0t3us, you shudnt have asked that lol
1936 [17:44:19] <sn0wmonster> the Tor browser packaged with Tails is not playing nice with some sites,
1937 [17:44:40] <TomTomTosch> we don't support tails in here...?
1938 [17:44:50] <sn0wmonster> That's correct, this isn't a tails issue.
1939 [17:45:02] <Pr0t3us> its not the tor browser thats your problem its the exit nodes are blacklisted by most
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1941 [17:45:04] <mariooliveira> what with the google captacha all over the place over tor? a way to track?
1942 [17:45:11] <TomTomTosch> not what you said a second ago...
1943 [17:45:13] <sn0wmonster> This was a question about setting up a graphic environment on the debian VPS
1944 [17:45:30] <Pr0t3us> you cant use tails on a vps
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1947 [17:45:39] <sn0wmonster> No one is trying to use tails on a VPS
1948 [17:45:44] <CuteMeOwnThroat> you just said it's an issue of tails, not tor, now it's suddenly not
1949 [17:45:48] <sn0wmonster> I am using Tails on this desktop, and using it to connect to a VPS
1950 [17:45:56] <mariooliveira> you can run a desktop over ssh replaced-url
1951 [17:45:57] <Pr0t3us> The way tails is setup does make it very difficult for you to use a VPN
1952 [17:46:09] <sn0wmonster> Pr0t3us, exactly.
1953 [17:46:11] <Payl> CuteMeOwnThroat: well he jumps to his own conclusions, which lead him to another problem
1954 [17:46:14] <Pr0t3us> It's setup that way to keep people from screwing up their configuration
1955 [17:46:29] <TomTomTosch> sn0wmonster: you can install a vnc server for example.
1956 [17:46:30] <Pr0t3us> The only you will be able to is with proxy.sh's VPN software
1957 [17:46:33] <Pr0t3us> safe jumper
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1959 [17:46:42] <sn0wmonster> TomTomTosch, thank you, that is the advice i was looking for and asked what package specifically i should isntall
1960 [17:46:44] <mariooliveira> what with a googgle captcha all over tor network. traking?
1961 [17:46:51] <Pr0t3us> or airvpn also allows you to use tails - tor - vpn
1962 [17:46:56] <sn0wmonster> the rest was derailing followups about why i just need a VPS ;)
1963 [17:46:59] <Pr0t3us> but airvpn is us based
1964 [17:47:02] <Pr0t3us> i would use proxy.sh
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1969 [17:47:43] <sn0wmonster> TomTomTosch, do you know what package i should install if i want to run a VNC server on the Debian VPS, and is that all i would need to install if i wanted to use something like Firefox browser on it *graphically*?
1970 [17:47:44] <TomTomTosch> sn0wmonster: there is for example tightvncserver. but you can choose from a variety of vnc servers.
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1972 [17:48:04] <sn0wmonster> ty, i will try "tightvncserver" as a package and see if that suits the needs
1973 [17:48:06] <sn0wmonster> thanks!
1974 [17:48:19] <Pr0t3us> sn0w are you going to install this package on tails?
1975 [17:48:26] <mariooliveira> sn0wmonster, you can run a desktor over ssh
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1977 [17:48:42] <Pr0t3us> thats what they just suggest mario (vnc)
1978 [17:48:50] <sn0wmonster> Pr0t3us, nope. just the VPS.
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1980 [17:49:02] <Pr0t3us> ahh okay, because installing packages on tails is quite a pain in the ass
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1983 [17:49:05] <Payl> sn0wmonster: do you use tor for apt-get on your VPS? lol...
1984 [17:49:06] <Pr0t3us> well, good luck sir :)
1985 [17:49:10] <mariooliveira> Pr0t3us, replaced-url
1986 [17:49:14] <sn0wmonster> ty!
1987 [17:49:23] <mariooliveira> with only ssh -X option
1988 [17:49:46] <Pr0t3us> oo nice, reading now +1
1989 [17:50:00] <sn0wmonster> separate question: if the apt-get install process is interrupted accidentally for any reason, i get an error "E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)"
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1991 [17:50:20] <sn0wmonster> how do I reset it to its normal state/continue its broken process/restart it/cancel it/clear it?
1992 [17:50:31] <sn0wmonster> basically i just can't do anything with apt-get because it's "locked"
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1994 [17:50:38] <Payl> i think you could remove lock file...
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1996 [17:52:25] <mtn> sn0wmonster: or close the program that has placed the lock
1997 [17:52:38] <sn0wmonster> mtn: the program was "apt-get install"
1998 [17:52:43] <sn0wmonster> but it was interrupted
1999 [17:52:58] <mtn> sn0wmonster: no, some other program is using that lock file. update manager, synaptic, etc.
2000 [17:53:03] <sn0wmonster> oh okay
2001 [17:53:12] <sn0wmonster> any advice on how to find what app that is?
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2003 [17:53:27] <mtn> sn0wmonster: pa aux
2004 [17:53:32] <mtn> oops, ps aux
2005 [17:53:42] <mtn> sn0wmonster: or use the system monitor
2006 [17:54:10] <mtn> sn0wmonster: it will be some version of the package manager
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2008 [17:54:33] <mtn> sn0wmonster: and like Payl said, remove the lock file, too
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2013 [17:57:20] <CuteMeOwnThroat> sn0wmonster, fuser
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2016 [17:57:37] <sn0wmonster> mtn: when i use px aux, it shows root 6987 0.0 6.2 70192 31780 pts/1 T 15:40 0:00 apt-get install xvnc4viewer
2017 [17:57:41] <mariooliveira> sn0wmonster, lol you can always reboot computer and the issue the apt-get install ...
2018 [17:58:14] <sn0wmonster> mariooliveira, that's somewhat anti-*nix mentality to a degree. i have a few delicate services running as well
2019 [17:58:23] <sn0wmonster> i should be able to just 'kill PID'
2020 [17:58:31] <sn0wmonster> but it doesn't seem to do much
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2022 [17:58:38] <mariooliveira> sn0wmonster, thats is exacly me
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2026 [18:01:04] <mariooliveira> sn0wmonster, i have an idea type w in console
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2028 [18:01:10] <mariooliveira> W
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2031 [18:01:45] <mariooliveira> maybe doent work
2032 [18:01:59] <sn0wmonster> w works just fine.
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2034 [18:02:16] <sn0wmonster> it shows what user and IP i am logged in as
2035 [18:02:26] <mariooliveira> w works but can you see what is the program
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2037 [18:02:48] <mariooliveira> that is in conflit
2038 [18:03:42] <mariooliveira> who
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2040 [18:03:52] <mariooliveira> oops
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2058 [18:12:11] <corsel> hola
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2065 [18:16:32] <CuteMeOwnThroat> sn0wmonster, just kill apt-get for fsms sake... you had it running in an ssh when your connection broke down
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2086 [18:29:00] <Skyrider> What is the app called that can make the shell/ssh run in the background?
2087 [18:29:06] <Skyrider> So you can close the app.
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2091 [18:29:12] <Skyrider> errr.. shell software.
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2093 [18:30:28] <sn0wmonster> CuteMeOwnThroat, i'm trying, but i must be using the kill command wrong because they aren't going away :(
2094 [18:31:10] <Fjorgynn> Skyrider: screen or tmux?
2095 [18:31:15] <OerHeks> Skyrider, fg bg ?
2096 [18:31:15] <Skyrider> screen, ty.
2097 [18:31:16] <babilen> Skyrider: tmux, screen, nohup, ...
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2100 [18:31:53] <Fjorgynn> the worst thing with tmux is that it is closing my windows all the time with no second "Are you really sure?"
2101 [18:32:03] <Fjorgynn> :(
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2103 [18:32:17] <babilen> You can say the same about rm when deleting files ;)
2104 [18:33:38] <Fjorgynn> babilen: yeah but when I am closing tmux windows it is painful
2105 [18:33:46] <Fjorgynn> because of irc
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2108 [18:34:39] <Fjorgynn> I want some sort of "Do you really want to close tmux?"
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2111 [18:36:38] <sn0wmonster> i want some sort of "do you really want to enable systemd?" :(
2112 [18:36:48] <sn0wmonster> hehe
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2118 [18:40:32] <Fjorgynn> now I have it prompting
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2124 [18:42:51] <Fjorgynn> this is wierd
2125 [18:43:04] <Fjorgynn> apparently I've used 30 GB data rx during July
2126 [18:43:07] <Fjorgynn> and I don't know why
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2128 [18:43:39] <Payl> 2much pr0n?
2129 [18:44:07] <Fjorgynn> Payl: that is for my vps
2130 [18:44:24] <Payl> why do you use your VPS to dl pr0n? :D
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2137 [18:46:23] <Fjorgynn> replaced-url
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2140 [18:47:04] <Payl> someone was attacking you maybe?
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2144 [18:47:26] <Payl> i'd try checking fail2ban logs apache logs etc...
2145 [18:48:37] <Fjorgynn> replaced-url
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2147 [18:50:07] <Fjorgynn> auth.log
2148 [18:50:08] <Fjorgynn> 587 Jul 21 05:21:42 joker sshd[27059]: Bad protocol version identification 'HELLOKETTLE' from 188.138.17.205 port 34900
2149 [18:50:12] <Fjorgynn> :(
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2154 [18:53:44] <Fjorgynn> my access.log from july 17 is 16M Payl :o
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2156 [18:54:08] <sypher> Fjorgynn: What is the actual problem you are trying to solve?
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2158 [18:54:25] <Payl> Fjorgynn: think: who you given ur IP to recently?
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2160 [18:54:35] <Fjorgynn> sypher: I am wondering why replaced-url
2161 [18:54:52] <sypher> Fjorgynn: How would anyone here know?
2162 [18:54:54] <Fjorgynn> Payl: it's a web server
2163 [18:55:17] <Payl> sypher: well maybe person who tried to DoS him is here
2164 [18:55:51] <sypher> Payl: I'm going to let you ruminate on how absurd that answer is.
2165 [18:56:16] <Payl> sypher: well, of course. It was supposed to be absurd...
2166 [18:56:24] <sypher> And if you think that paltry amount of traffic constitutes a DoS, you're in for a shock when you actually encounter one.
2167 [18:56:52] <sypher> Payl: Okay, just making sure. :P
2168 [18:57:29] <Payl> DoS attack could really take minimum network. But well true, most systems arent that easy to DoS :P
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2172 [18:58:03] <Fjorgynn> I have like 1 TB of transfer data limit but still
2173 [18:58:09] <sypher> Fjorgynn: The answer: You have a system exposed to the internet. Welcome to life.
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2179 [18:59:00] <Payl> a day without failed ssh login attempt is the day when you had no internet...
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2185 [19:00:33] <sypher> Fjorgynn: This is a single system. replaced-url
2186 [19:01:08] <sypher> Fjorgynn: That data spans about three days.
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2188 [19:01:24] <Payl> sypher: you must have no fail2ban installed...
2189 [19:01:33] <sypher> Payl: Correct, because I don't really care.
2190 [19:01:57] <Payl> sypher: why dont leave your root password 123456 then? :P
2191 [19:02:14] <sypher> Payl: Because root login is disabled even if you have the right password.
2192 [19:02:45] <Payl> well same is true for my machines, but i still care enough to install fail2ban lol
2193 [19:02:53] <sypher> Payl: Why?
2194 [19:03:07] <Payl> because they sometimes try another account names
2195 [19:03:21] <sypher> Payl: And?
2196 [19:03:47] <Payl> and there is risk that my user name might be exposed... and they might try to attack my account instead
2197 [19:03:53] <sypher> Payl: There are so many more meaningful ways of configuring remote access security than relying on repeated access failures.
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2199 [19:04:14] <sypher> Payl: And if you think that concealing your username is effective, that's silly. See also: Security through obscurity.
2200 [19:04:17] <erm3nda> the better system is the one who left you out too :D
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2202 [19:04:37] <Payl> sypher: i dont think so, thats why i use fail2ban
2203 [19:04:57] <erm3nda> fal2ban is a nice approach to increase the number of proxys to use
2204 [19:05:00] <erm3nda> is not magic at all
2205 [19:05:05] <sypher> ^
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2207 [19:05:18] <sypher> Payl: What you think isn't really my concern. I'm giving you sound advice, but you're welcome to ignore it.
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2209 [19:05:30] <Payl> sypher: im not...
2210 [19:05:49] <Payl> im not denying that disabling root login etc. is valid advice, i just claim that fail2ban is good too.
2211 [19:05:57] <sypher> Payl: fail2ban is borderline worthless.
2212 [19:06:19] <Payl> well somehow it still manages to catch quite a lot traffic
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2214 [19:06:27] <sypher> Payl: If I was determined to get into your system, or at least try, I'd simply run my attacks through Tor and keep switching exit nodes whenever you stopped accepting connections from my current IP.
2215 [19:06:49] <Payl> sypher: i know, but tor = slower round trip time
2216 [19:07:04] <Payl> so you would be at least 5x slower with tor
2217 [19:07:10] <sypher> Payl: I'm still bypassing your supposed 'protection.' Understand that I do this for a living.
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2220 [19:07:29] <sypher> Payl: Properly secure the system instead of relying on things like fail2ban.
2221 [19:07:37] <Payl> ... lol
2222 [19:07:48] <Payl> sypher: are you listening to me? I'm not denying your advice is right
2223 [19:07:55] <Payl> i'm too for disabling root access etc.
2224 [19:08:07] <Payl> i just think that fail2ban isn't useless, its something extra
2225 [19:08:14] <sypher> Payl: You're trying to maintain the position that fail2ban is worth the effort, even as an extra, and it's not.
2226 [19:08:14] <Payl> i'd be dumb to rely on fail2ban alone
2227 [19:08:33] <Payl> sypher: its your position that its not worth it, my position is that its worth
2228 [19:09:21] <Payl> also: trying to claim that you do X for living or you are expert at X will only make you sound funny... maybe you are maybe you are not... ;)
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2230 [19:10:21] <sypher> Payl: I'm not "trying" to "claim." I'm simply stating a fact. What you choose to take away from this is up to you.
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2232 [19:10:54] <Payl> sypher: i've seen too many such fact on internets. thats my point and you know it.
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2234 [19:11:54] <hexnewbie> fail2ban is useless for SSH. You add fail2ban, and brute force attempts start to rotate IPs circumventing fail2ban. It doesn't prevent compromise, that's what proper security does, but you leave there and wake up to it consuming 100% for the whole night and slowing the whole system down.
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2236 [19:12:31] <Payl> ok, so here is only proper solution according to experts to prevent ssh attacks: dont use ssh
2237 [19:12:39] <nkuttler> fail2ban works fine for me. if you have a sophisticated attacker, use different tools
2238 [19:13:12] <hexnewbie> Payl: Er? Don't use passwords, or make sure the passwords that you use are strong. Attacks foiled, end of story.
2239 [19:13:13] <nkuttler> and no, the first thing "proper security" realizes is that there is no 100% secure system
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2241 [19:13:40] <hexnewbie> Payl: And install security updates, of course - but fail2ban wouldn't help you at all if you didn't
2242 [19:13:45] <Payl> hexagoxel: not really, its matter of time before someone bruteforces your password, because "advanced attacks"...
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2244 [19:14:06] <hexnewbie> Payl: Not really, a secure password would take trillions of years to be brute forced.
2245 [19:14:21] <sypher> And that's if you had the hashes locally.
2246 [19:14:30] <Payl> hexagoxel: no, time to guess password depends on how long it takes you to try one
2247 [19:14:37] <Payl> not on "trillion years"
2248 [19:14:46] <Payl> fail2ban makes it harder to guess passwords quick
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2250 [19:15:04] <balance1> hi
2251 [19:15:40] <sypher> hexnewbie: Give me a reasonable per-second password try count over SSH on a LAN connection.
2252 [19:15:44] <sypher> hexnewbie: Just for funsies.
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2255 [19:17:03] <balance1> Im on a debian based distro - it's a live distro I run on a vm (since I just want to play around), if I try to ping something it says: unknown host - why's that? the browser works fine.
2256 [19:17:14] <hexnewbie> Payl: Not at all, because it doesn't prevent distributed attacks. Also, adding fail2ban slows down as much as adding a few characters to a password. fail2ban just multiplies brute force time by a constant, increase in password length increases brute force time exponentially (each letter makes it 50 times longer)
2257 [19:17:20] <nkuttler> balance1: ask the support channel for your distro
2258 [19:17:32] <sypher> Payl: Let's assume you're a smart cookie and you use a 16-character randomly generated password consisting of upper case, lower case, numbers, and the typical 14 special characters used in common passwords. Let's assume I can try around 250,000 passwords per second over SSH. How long would it take me to brute force your password?
2259 [19:17:40] <nkuttler> !ot
2260 [19:17:40] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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2262 [19:18:42] <Payl> sypher: how long would it take to guess that password? until next heardbleed is found of course :)
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2265 [19:19:21] <sypher> Payl: Right, I forgot that SSH keeps passwords plaintext in memory... /s
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2267 [19:20:18] <Payl> sypher: you obviously dont agree with me, why try to talk to me, if it has no point?
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2269 [19:20:25] <hexnewbie> Payl: OpenSSL bugs tend to not affect software with long-established good security like OpenSSH (certain Debian-introduced bugs aside ;) ). And fail2ban can't help with heartbleed, or vulnerabilities, just brute force.
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2271 [19:21:04] <Payl> sypher, hexnewbie STFU offtopic. I know all your claims. And i even agree with most of them. But you are just deaf to my ideas.
2272 [19:21:26] <sypher> Payl: Because your ideas are without merit. End.
2273 [19:21:30] <nkuttler> come come now. just take it to #debian-offtopic
2274 [19:21:34] <Payl> there is no point it talking to you two. I have more interesting things to do...
2275 [19:21:44] <petn-randall> Payl, sypher, please take it to the other channel.
2276 [19:21:49] * sypher is done.
2277 [19:21:53] <hexnewbie> Payl: Because just last month another administrator installed fail2ban on our Debian servers and locked out our entire classroom, preventing anyone from logging in, and all of that for no gain at all. It was embarrassing.
2278 [19:22:11] <waltimore> Greetings, I tried to create a USB with multiple OS's for BIOS and also UEFI. Unfortunately it didn't worked. I tried multibootusb, this Tutorial replaced-url
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2292 [19:28:47] <awal1> Is it correct if I remove the .desktop file of X pkg in /etc/xdg/autostart for prevent that pkg from being launched when I login in my Xsession?
2293 [19:28:54] <awal1> X session
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2295 [19:29:28] <moham> Hi, I want to download and install on a separate debian computer the package replaced-url
2296 [19:30:42] <TomTomTosch> moham: you scroll down, click on Architecture: all, select a mirror and download the .deb file that can be installed using dpkg.
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2298 [19:31:28] <moham> TomTomTosch, thx
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2305 [19:35:51] <awal1> replaced-url
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2307 [19:36:21] <awal1> interesting on how to install such kind of pkg's if .deb file isn't present :P
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2310 [19:36:41] <TomTomTosch> that's the list of contents...
2311 [19:37:38] <awal1> oh, right, got confused :P
2312 [19:38:11] <moham> sweet, got the wifi up, thx TomTomTosch
2313 [19:38:20] <TomTomTosch> no problemo.
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2316 [19:39:35] <awal1> so I have xfce, mate and a few other WM's, usually I run openbox, but I dont want matescreensaver, for example, to be loaded in my openbox-session. openbox-session start's the programs having .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart
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2318 [19:39:59] <awal1> matescreensaver is just one of them
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2322 [19:42:24] <awal1> Wondering if it's wise to remove the .desktop file. but if removed the pkg will no load when in mate session. any suggestion apart removing .desktop
2323 [19:43:02] <TomTomTosch> move it to a different place and see if it does what you want.
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2327 [19:43:46] <moham> I installed iwp firmware and got my wifi working, but I only have wep, no wpa, and I checked -wpasupplicant is installed
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2330 [19:45:46] <awal1> TomTomTosch, will try ok
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2333 [19:47:32] <AciD`> for setting up a backup solution (so, low write/read count) with RAID 10, do you need an hardware RAID motherboard, or can just to that with a simple motherboard with 4 sata ports and Linux?
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2339 [19:48:33] <moham> I ran wpa-cli, and now it seems to work somehow
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2342 [19:48:52] <sypher> AciD`: As in, the system you're running will be where the backups of other systems get stored?
2343 [19:49:17] <AciD`> sypher > yes
2344 [19:49:19] <TomTomTosch> AciD`: the debian installer walks your through setting up software raid.
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2346 [19:50:08] <AciD`> I currently have a debian server, with some hdd attached to it, but nothing is redundant so I was planning on setting up a RAID 10
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2350 [19:50:40] <AciD`> TomTomTosch > so I guess you only need hardware raid with high demanding software, like database?
2351 [19:51:21] <AciD`> my goal is mitigating the loss of files in case of hard disk failures
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2355 [19:53:36] <TomTomTosch> if performance is not a factor, software raid seems like the right thing for you.
2356 [19:53:53] <TomTomTosch> and it's not like the overhead is too dramatic.
2357 [19:54:25] <unborn> AciD`: rsync-it every hour - only changes like synced mirror
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2359 [19:55:13] <AciD`> unborn > rsync between harddisks?
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2361 [19:55:19] <AciD`> that seems overkill
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2363 [19:56:15] <unborn> raid is good for rw speeds and as well for backup but with rsync I think you can be safe as well.. yeah between disks - the first time sync will be taking some toll but then changes - zero
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2367 [19:57:30] <unborn> but time to set it up - thats what matter to me.. as I said, if raid is your thingy go with raid, if not simple quick solution will be rsync sync not full, just changes
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2369 [19:57:40] <AciD`> unborn > I'm not sure how exactly rsync works, but shouldn't it need to parse the whole 6Tio harddisk again to look for changes?
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2372 [19:58:10] <AciD`> well, I never setup raid before, so I'm asking here :)
2373 [19:58:22] <AciD`> I just want to be sure my data are 99,99% safe
2374 [19:58:22] <AciD`> :)
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2378 [19:59:40] <sypher> AciD`: RAID10 is quite a robust configuration, and the software RAID system within Linux (mdadm) is also quite robust.
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2380 [20:00:31] <finchd> repeat after me, "RAID Is Not A Backup"
2381 [20:00:31] <AciD`> good to hear
2382 [20:00:34] <unborn> AciD`: whatever will work for you best be it raid, manual copy or rsync.
2383 [20:01:12] <AciD`> finchd > I have a backup of my _really_ important files on 3 other places, one being online
2384 [20:01:15] <finchd> you probably want some pairs of RAID1 with the rsync
2385 [20:01:36] <TomTomTosch> unborn: we are not advising using raid over doing a full backup. it just raid for the backup disks. or so i understood.
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2388 [20:02:22] <finchd> AciD`: it should't be hard to make a cronjob to rsync into a new folder with the date in it, that way you can revert things
2389 [20:02:23] <sypher> TomTomTosch: That's what I understood from the initial inquiry.
2390 [20:02:25] <unborn> TomTomTosch: sure...i just mentioned another option thats all ;)
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2393 [20:05:48] <hexnewbie> AciD`: I've learned the hard way that losing all my not-so-important data can be as bad as losing a part of my really-important data.
2394 [20:06:48] <hexnewbie> AciD`: Just for consideration when picking among your options - I don't have a particular advice.
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2396 [20:09:05] <CuteMeOwnThroat> hexnewbie, what was your not-so-important data?
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2398 [20:09:38] <unborn> AciD`: just out of interest i synced 2tb of data for the 1st time like in 9 hours perhaps I would say it took it whole working day.. most of that was movies. then sync is nearly instant, if I delete something or upload something is done in minutes.. raid seems to be faster if you copy data from one disk to raid where you have more disks thats for sure. I had no option like that in firts place..
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2405 [20:11:56] <hexnewbie> CuteMeOwnThroat: Music, movies, photographs (I backed up only the one I had selected, but kept all the photographs taken as not backed up), saved root filesystems from old installs, data from abandoned research experiments (like intermediate calculations), game save files and chat logs.
2406 [20:11:57] <unborn> also on raid you can replace disk as hot-swap without any complications i believe
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2431 [20:23:01] <tripkin> If everything is configured and working properly, depending on the number of disks, you should be able to replace one or more. You just have to wait until the system (array manager) has finished adding the new drive to the array. Works well!
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2433 [20:23:49] <unborn> tripkin: very true
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2436 [20:24:22] <tripkin> Yeah, I love raids when they are working properly. Real peace of mind there.
2437 [20:24:32] <tripkin> Along with backups, of course.
2438 [20:25:46] <peterS> I used to scoff at the layering violations of modern systems like zfs that combine raid, volume management and filesystems into a single thing. But it does have huge advantages for raid rebuild. The FS knows exactly what needs to be synced. So if you need to resync a 1 TB disk but there's only 300 GB of useful data, zfs would sync just the 300 GB, not the whole 1 TB
2439 [20:26:01] <peterS> whereas a plain RAID system has no way of knowing which blocks "matter" so it has to sync the whole thing
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2441 [20:26:43] <tripkin> That would certainly be useful!
2442 [20:26:56] <tripkin> I am used to hardware raid setups.
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2444 [20:27:27] <tripkin> Where the os (winblows) doesn't even know it is a raid.
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2447 [20:27:49] <peterS> I also have to give zfs some credit for the clever name of 'resilver' for a RAID rebuild. Because, you know, silver is what they coat a piece of glass with to make it a mirror
2448 [20:27:52] <tripkin> s/winblows/winblo$/
2449 [20:27:53] <peterS> so, rebuilt a mirror = "resilver"
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2451 [20:28:47] <puffyBSD> w00t ! just found out that slackware released 14.2 now using it-- still resisting systemd redhat faggotry
2452 [20:29:21] <puffyBSD> viva slackware, openbsd, pc-bsd, macosx, and FreeBSD . Death to debian and redhat and all other systemd faggotry !
2453 [20:29:39] <peterS> resistance is futile, puffyBSD
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2455 [20:31:06] <peterS> (I will say this about systemd. about half an hour ago I noticed a system on which /run/log/journal, which is on a tmpfs, was using 440 MB. That seems like kind of a lot of RAM, just for syslog purposes.)
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2460 [20:32:46] <babilen> puffyBSD: Take it elsewhere and try to keep it technical in here please
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2465 [20:33:16] <puffyBSD> Linux darkstar 4.4.14 #2 SMP Fri Jun 24 13:38:27 CDT 2016 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9400 @ 2.53GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
2466 [20:33:27] <puffyBSD> it is probably invite only I'll check though
2467 [20:33:49] <puffyBSD> redhat is the borg and fuck poettering I will not be assimilated into the borg
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2470 [20:34:01] <babilen> ...
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2472 [20:34:05] <DarkElement> Anyone have experience setting up Linuxpmi for Debian systems here?
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2474 [20:34:26] <plasmoduck> Resistance isn't futile
2475 [20:35:00] <plasmoduck> I would have thought Ubuntu is more Borg-ish
2476 [20:35:31] <peterS> resistance is also V/I
2477 [20:35:41] <missmbob> there is #debian-offtopic if you guys just want to rant about..whatever it is you're going on about
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2508 [20:48:04] <AciD`> unborn > thanks for your input
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2514 [20:48:48] <AciD`> hexnewbie > yeah, I guess the 'not-so-important' files are somehow kinda important in a way, since you bother keeping them
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2518 [20:50:52] <McD> Hi, everytime i comeback to debian, and take a look at "dpkg -s <packetname>" . I need to know the unit of the file size( is it Kilobyte/Kilobits or plain Bytes , or what ?
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2521 [20:52:04] <McD> that looks really like a slugish work... ( not any units for a file size is given at all)
2522 [20:52:36] <McD> this causes me to get confuesed, and distracted.., really...,
2523 [20:53:16] <babilen> I'm so sorry
2524 [20:53:55] <babilen> McD: What did you do to alleviate your confusion?
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2528 [20:55:18] <shodan`> Is there a way to isntall php56-fpm on stretch?
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2530 [20:56:50] <babilen> shodan`: You'd get 7.0 on stretch .. maybe you'd prefer to host your application on the stable release, jessie
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2532 [20:57:06] <TomTomTosch> shodan`: you could try to get it from sid and hope things don't break.
2533 [20:57:39] <babilen> php5-fpm is available in sid which should be an easy installation ..
2534 [20:57:43] <shodan`> babilen: I need both php7 and php5, it's a personal sandbox server therefor it's not running stable at the moment
2535 [20:57:47] <shodan`> I'll give sid a shot
2536 [20:57:58] <babilen> dpkg: ssm
2537 [20:57:58] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "stretch";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security stretch lines and change one set to sid, then apt-get update. apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than stretch as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. See <jum caveat> and use this setup to track <stretch> after its release.
2538 [20:58:02] <babilen> shodan`: ^
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2540 [20:58:23] <cornbreadheadman> McD: apt-cache --no-all-versions show vlc | grep '^Size: '
2541 [20:58:35] <babilen> You want that anyway as simply tracking stretch isn't a great idea at this point in the release cycle due to package removals, security updates, ...
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2543 [20:59:00] <babilen> cornbreadheadman: The field is well documented in the Debian policy.
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2545 [20:59:09] <shodan`> babilen: thanks
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2547 [20:59:41] <babilen> shodan`: That assumes that you actually use "stretch" and "sid" in your sources.list and not "testing" and "unstable"
2548 [20:59:53] <McD> cornbreadheadman: is that KB or Bytes ?...
2549 [20:59:54] <shodan`> Using stretch in my sources
2550 [21:00:00] <cornbreadheadman> babilen: What field?
2551 [21:00:19] <TomTomTosch> McD: replaced-url
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2553 [21:00:35] <babilen> cornbreadheadman: Installed-Size
2554 [21:00:37] <cornbreadheadman> Size: 1278478 = 1.3G
2555 [21:00:50] <McD> aha, now thats really user-friendly.... tell me RTF....
2556 [21:00:54] <babilen> McD: What have you done to solve this riddle?
2557 [21:01:20] <TomTomTosch> McD: ranting is counter productive to getting help...
2558 [21:01:27] <babilen> McD: It's well documented in the Debian policy (linked by TomTomTosch earlier) which should answer all your questions
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2561 [21:01:45] <babilen> McD: How often do you *really* run into this? Once a week? Daily? Once an hour?
2562 [21:01:57] <McD> you are getting productive..
2563 [21:02:04] <babilen> I mean .. this is a 2 second google search away and easily answered
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2565 [21:02:36] <cornbreadheadman> babilen: I am pretty sure McD meant after install which varies.
2566 [21:02:52] <McD> easy answer, it is BYTES....
2567 [21:03:05] <babilen> cornbreadheadman: McD specifically asked about the "Installed-Size" field which is well documented
2568 [21:03:19] <TomTomTosch> McD: it's not. just read the thing i linked above.
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2570 [21:03:37] <cornbreadheadman> By the way, babilen, I googled "linux getting the size of a package" lol
2571 [21:03:51] <McD> me is getting crazy....
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2573 [21:04:10] * McD needs holidays again...
2574 [21:04:19] <TomTomTosch> McD: "The disk space is given as the integer value of the estimated installed size in bytes, divided by 1024 and rounded up."
2575 [21:04:28] <babilen> cornbreadheadman: yeah, a search for: "Installed-Size" Debian, yields the policy page .. so if McD really struggled with this for many months on a daily basis I wonder what has been done to solve that riddle
2576 [21:05:00] <cornbreadheadman> babilen: you are a riddle.
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2578 [21:05:24] <babilen> cornbreadheadman: How so?
2579 [21:05:28] <TomTomTosch> cornbreadheadman: if your scroll up you will see we are talking about the output of dpkg -s
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2582 [21:06:19] <cornbreadheadman> ok
2583 [21:06:40] <babilen> That field is documented in the Debian policy
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2585 [21:06:58] <cornbreadheadman> ok
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2587 [21:07:04] <McD> why so cryptic..., this is not mathematically correct, a value without showing the units of the values.., is just causeing me to loose my head ,, next month i will have to look it up again...
2588 [21:07:06] <babilen> I mean .. literally googling for 'Installed-Size Debian' yields the answer in the first link
2589 [21:07:27] <babilen> McD: I would strongly suggest to spend your time on something else
2590 [21:07:32] <cornbreadheadman> I offered an alternative to get the size.
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2594 [21:09:11] <TomTomTosch> McD: this is a support channel. why do you complain to us?
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2596 [21:09:46] <cornbreadheadman> wow
2597 [21:10:12] * cornbreadheadman is going to stay shutup and just "learn"
2598 [21:10:37] <babilen> Is there really much to learn about this?
2599 [21:11:05] <missmbob> how to be lazy, i suppose.
2600 [21:11:15] <babilen> It's a field that has been documented and is being shown by dpkg. It doesn't actually show the Installed-Size, but the value as discussed in the policy.
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2603 [21:11:57] <babilen> If there's an actual problem to solve I'd love to hear about it, but "I'm getting mad because I look at the output of dpkg -s once a day" isn't something #debian can address really
2604 [21:13:02] <babilen> The meaning of Installed-Size is documented in replaced-url
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2646 [21:36:53] <peterS> so, I have a bunch of machines at work that spew cron job spam from logrotate complaining that "gzip: stdin: file size changed while zipping"
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2648 [21:37:36] <peterS> it seems obvious that this is because in /etc/logrotate.d/samba, log.nmbd has 'compress' but not 'delaycompress', so it tries to compress log.nmbd.1.gz before telling samba to reload itself and reopen its log files
2649 [21:38:02] <peterS> is this still an issue in sid? I mean does anyone else see it? I don't want to report the bug if it's already been fixed or worked around in some way
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2742 [22:24:14] <jhutchins> peterS: You could just not worry about it.
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2779 [22:41:56] <tulphoon> e
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2785 [22:43:45] <Dirkson> Hey all. I need libpng12 on debian testing, but it only seems available in stable and unstable - And the unstable version doesn't have an amd64 build. Any advice?
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2787 [22:46:02] <towo`> because unstable has libpng16?
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2789 [22:46:31] <Dirkson> towo`: Yeah, most everything has libpng16. It's not backwards compatible.
2790 [22:46:50] <towo`> and now?
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2792 [22:47:08] <towo`> if you want libpng12 install it from stable
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2795 [22:47:43] <Dirkson> towo`: I'm unsure how to do that without royally borking my install. Removing libpng16 demands that I also remove x11, which I use.
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2801 [22:48:25] <BOOM> Is XFS faster than ext4?
2802 [22:48:29] <towo`> i have both installed
2803 [22:48:39] <Dirkson> towo`: Cool. How?
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2805 [22:48:57] <towo`> it's an old install
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2807 [22:49:16] <towo`> linpng16 does not remove libpng12, which was lont tome ago installed
2808 [22:49:27] <towo`> *long time
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2810 [22:49:52] <missmbob> you just download the deb and dpkg -i
2811 [22:50:52] <Dirkson> Ahh, ok. I guess it's just the -dev package that fatally blocks. I think I can get by without the 12-dev package - I was intending to rewrite for an alternative png library anyway.
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2828 [22:55:57] <sine0> ok I am following a tutorial which involves 'modprobe loop; losetup /deb/loop0 /tmp/somefile' I have done modprobe loop but I didnt check to see if the loop[0-8] in dev were already there, so i dont want to root permission over something. how can i check them
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2831 [22:56:37] <sine0> how do i test loop0 to see if its being used already
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2849 [23:05:38] <Amun_Ra> sine0: mount
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2851 [23:07:11] <Eduard_Munteanu> sine0, usually you use losetup -f to find an unused device
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2857 [23:08:16] <Eduard_Munteanu> losetup -f --show /path/to/image
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2871 [23:15:03] <un214> Is there a good way to determine what block is causing "INFO: task sync
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2875 [23:16:31] <un214> I have every reason to believe it's a specific bad block and not an IO subsystem failure
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2881 [23:20:42] <petn-randall> un214: You can use smartctl to issue a selftest and also use the command badblocks.
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2883 [23:21:11] <un214> can't use smartctl on an sdcard; trying badblocks -w
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2885 [23:21:44] <petn-randall> un214: In either case I'd boot from a live system to do further analysis, running from a faulty root partition is risky.
2886 [23:21:55] <un214> it's on a removable disk
2887 [23:23:14] <petn-randall> un214: Note that's a destructive test, so make sure you have backups of anything valuable.
2888 [23:23:29] <un214> thankfully I got it while initializing the sd card
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2890 [23:24:22] <un214> (just calling badblocks succeeds; every block on the sd card is readable)
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2893 [23:25:15] <petn-randall> un214: Can you show us the full output of the issue you're having? → replaced-url
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2895 [23:26:15] <un214> replaced-url
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2920 [23:38:58] <un214> wow that's a slow badblocks; It's been in 'D' for a long time
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2942 [23:46:07] <petn-randall> un214: It's probably waiting for the ATA command to time out.
2943 [23:46:23] <un214> USB SD card reader
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2945 [23:46:36] <petn-randall> un214: If you want it fast, use a RAID1 with two disks supporting ERC ;)
2946 [23:46:56] <un214> 2GB/hour is fast enough for my plans
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2948 [23:47:15] <un214> I just want to find the offending block so the kernel doesn't fail
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2954 [23:49:41] <turbo64> anyone use virtualbox on a debian host here?
2955 [23:49:57] <petn-randall> turbo64: Ask you question, no surveys please. :)
2956 [23:50:06] <un214> me
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2959 [23:50:30] * un214 knows petn is right; however this well get to the question faster
2960 [23:51:06] <turbo64> i need an answer specifically from someone who has used virtualbox in debian
2961 [23:51:14] <turbo64> because anyone else won't have an answer
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2964 [23:51:27] <turbo64> and won't know what the hell i'm talking about
2965 [23:51:30] <sypher> You need to just ask the question. If someone in here has an answer, they'll answer.
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2967 [23:51:53] <gronaix> i used virtualbox in debian - but its some time ago - better ask your specific question ;)
2968 [23:51:57] <turbo64> when gnome starts up i get a notification about the virtualbox kernel service not running
2969 [23:52:11] <turbo64> and its really annoying
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2971 [23:52:16] <turbo64> and i don't know how to fix it
2972 [23:52:17] <un214> I have no idea what that even means
2973 [23:52:20] <gronaix> did u install the virtualbox dkms packages?
2974 [23:52:23] <turbo64> yes
2975 [23:52:28] <turbo64> it installs them automatically
2976 [23:52:33] <turbo64> they are a dependency of virtualbox
2977 [23:53:01] <fhdrin> turbo64, you try systemctl to see if virtualbox is running?
2978 [23:53:03] <un214> oh wait I get it; it's the copy inside virtualbox not outside it
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2980 [23:53:29] <un214> there's a package you need to update or you won't have certain drivers that allow mouse pointer integration, etc.
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2982 [23:53:39] <un214> and doggone it I don't know what package it is
2983 [23:54:37] <sypher> turbo64: To be clear, are you getting this message inside the VM, or on the host itself?
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2992 [23:59:43] <turbo64> the host
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2994 [23:59:53] <turbo64> i think what happened was i accidentally installed a guest package somehow
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