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14 [00:04:29] <debidi> awal1: can you dd to /dev/sdb ?
15 [00:04:42] <debidi> awal1: eg: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1
16 [00:04:49] <debidi> whhat does it say
17 [00:06:27] <AirPlanes> anyone can help me? Qt installed is very old
18 [00:06:58] <miskatonic> then install a more current version of qt?
19 [00:07:03] <AirPlanes> how?
20 [00:07:14] <debidi> AirPlanes: switch to sid..
21 [00:07:22] <AirPlanes> what??
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23 [00:08:15] <debidi> rome was not built in 24h AirPlanes you'll figure it out
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25 [00:08:39] <AirPlanes2> lol
26 [00:08:41] <AirPlanes2> i don't want
27 [00:08:43] <AirPlanes2> gfto
28 [00:08:51] <debidi> lol
29 [00:09:00] <jenia> unborn: It worked adding the wpa_supplicant output to /etc/network/interfaces. But I have on more quick question: What If I want to connect to another network? Can I add multiple wpa_supplicant outputs for one interface (wpa0)?
30 [00:09:05] <AirPlanes2> go home
31 [00:09:26] <babilen> AirPlanes: You really don't want to be tracking sid (Debian unstable)
32 [00:09:51] <AirPlanes2> dont tell me alternatives
33 [00:09:55] <AirPlanes2> oh boy
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42 [00:12:42] <AirPlanes2> anyone?
43 [00:12:59] <AirPlanes2> i think debidi is arch user
44 [00:13:01] <AirPlanes2> someone ban him
45 [00:13:13] <chaddy> what do you mean by gfto, AirPlanes2?
46 [00:13:22] <AirPlanes2> that he should leave
47 [00:13:31] <TomTomTosch> stay on topic, please.
48 [00:13:31] <AirPlanes2> why he tell me to switch to unstable ?
49 [00:13:38] <AirPlanes2> thats very bad person
50 [00:13:45] <AirPlanes2> he want to ruin my system
51 [00:13:54] <babilen> AirPlanes2: Installing a new version of QT is probably impossible and *please* don't say that users should be banned for no apparent reason.
52 [00:14:04] <chaddy> I think you should get the f out, myself, AirPlanes2; have done for a few days
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54 [00:14:16] <AirPlanes2> chaddy, nah
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56 [00:14:28] <AirPlanes2> babilen, explain why it is impossible?
57 [00:15:00] <babilen> Because QT is a massive library for which no backports exist and you'll have to use the one in Debian stable
58 [00:15:07] <babilen> judd: v qt5-default
59 [00:15:09] <judd> Package: qt5-default on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1; stretch: 5.6.1+dfsg-3; sid: 5.6.1+dfsg-3; experimental: 5.7.0+dfsg-3
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61 [00:15:13] <debidi> AirPlanes2: replaced-url
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63 [00:15:29] <AirPlanes2> debidi, im not going to visit it
64 [00:15:34] <teraflops> AirPlanes2: I really cannot believe youre still alive here and not banned
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71 [00:16:43] <AirPlanes> debidi, im not going to visit it
72 [00:16:48] <debidi> xD
73 [00:16:53] <AirPlanes> debidi, why don't you explain what is in their?
74 [00:17:30] <debidi> such spite bro, an evil exploit is inside ofc
75 [00:17:37] <AirPlanes> yea
76 [00:17:43] <AirPlanes> my system is windows xp
77 [00:17:52] <TomTomTosch> why don't you stop spamming and stay on topic?
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79 [00:18:00] <babilen> judd: v qtbase5-dev
80 [00:18:01] <AirPlanes> im not spamming!
81 [00:18:02] <judd> Package: qtbase5-dev on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1; stretch: 5.6.1+dfsg-3; sid: 5.6.1+dfsg-3; experimental: 5.7.0+dfsg-3
82 [00:18:05] <AirPlanes> why yo guys are so rude
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84 [00:18:09] <AirPlanes> i just want to install qt5
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86 [00:18:17] <AirPlanes> it is installed me qt 3 creator version ;_;
87 [00:18:25] <BinBasher> teraflops: sorry for the late reply, I just want to primarily use my nvidia card for opengl3 but primusrun doesn't work because of my problem provided in the arch linux link, couldn't find a better fix for it anywhere... nvidia module doesn't load
88 [00:18:43] <AirPlanes> and qt 5.3.2 and i want 5.6 or 5.5
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90 [00:19:00] <babilen> AirPlanes2: You can't install those versions on jessie
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93 [00:19:30] <babilen> debidi: As much as it might be tempting, try to stay on topic. Ta! :)
94 [00:19:31] <dvs> AirPlanes, There's no debian packages for that version of qt5 on jessie.
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96 [00:19:46] <AirPlanes> why not???
97 [00:20:15] <babilen> dpkg: stable
98 [00:20:15] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.5); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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100 [00:20:33] <babilen> AirPlanes: ^ + the fact that no backport exist (as I elaborated on earlier)
101 [00:20:37] <miskatonic> I have already installed lots of stuff from sources that have no debian package
102 [00:20:38] <dvs> AirPlanes, because once jessie goes stable, there are only security and bug fixes, no upgrade.
103 [00:20:50] <AirPlanes> i don't know what is backport
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105 [00:21:05] <AirPlanes> nvm
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107 [00:21:11] <AirPlanes> so is this in many apps?
108 [00:21:20] <babilen> "this" ?
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110 [00:22:02] <TomTomTosch> do you have an actual issue with it or is it just the number you don't like?
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112 [00:22:15] <AirPlanes> what i don't like
113 [00:22:21] <AirPlanes> wow man
114 [00:23:20] <debidi> AirPlanes: compile from source
115 [00:23:30] <jasonwc> Has anyone tested the multichannel support in Samba 4.4? Trying to decide between an upgrade to 10 Gbit NICs. I can easy get 2 or 4 Gbit using teaming adapters with concurrent connections but LACP only gives 1 Gbit for a single transfer without multi-threading.
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118 [00:23:40] <AirPlanes> debidi, but how am i going to remove a million of packages?
119 [00:23:44] <AirPlanes> -> of qt
120 [00:24:01] <debidi> AirPlanes: no need, just install ur freshly compiled qt to /usr/local
121 [00:24:22] <AirPlanes> <AirPlanes> do i need to remove what i have to install from download.qt.io?
122 [00:24:22] <AirPlanes> <thiago> no
123 [00:24:22] <AirPlanes> <thiago> well, you should remove the development files
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126 [00:25:09] <debidi> AirPlanes: it won't automagically make the software linked against qt3 work with the new version tho..
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129 [00:25:48] <AirPlanes> ...
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131 [00:26:49] <AirPlanes> I mean I don't have Qt Qucik Controls Application option..
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151 [00:33:45] <AirPlanes> lol
152 [00:33:52] <AirPlanes> he talks and mute me..
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156 [00:35:16] <awal1> debidi, I have used dd ... (several options) but no luck. I also tried with hdparm -r0 /dev/sdb & sdb1 and no errors, hdparm reports that it no longuer read only but the usb key still in fact read only & can't format it. Looks like it's protected (uefi stuff) and only the non-free Dell factory software can reverse things. Thanks for your time anyway. Usb is in garbage yet :P
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162 [00:36:36] <awal1> 8 gb it have, not really important...
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166 [00:37:20] <debidi> flash mem is cheap nowadays
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193 [00:50:01] <docmur> Sometimes when I launch htop I see /sbin/getty processes pinned at 100%, I've been going in killing them but I can' figure out where they're coming from
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231 [01:05:34] <jair> Hello there, a quick question I am trying to build a usb utility to run different applications but live. Do you guys know of a good list of tools, it is debian capable to provide a very lean OS or bootable usb where I can select other isos or tools to run once is booted?
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234 [01:06:23] <awal1> Whats happen when the grub is running fine but one execute grub-install Dev/sda ?
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237 [01:06:53] <awal1> ^/dev/sda
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243 [01:10:03] <TomTomTosch> do you expect that command to work differnetly based on grub working fine or not? it generates a new grub core image regardless.
244 [01:10:21] <awal1> I have an i386 system but I still have 300 gb disk free so I installed amd64 alongside. After copying all what I need from the i386 to amd46 partition I no longer need the i386 one. So planing to remove it and get 20 gb free space more. I believe that the grub running (handling boot) is the one installed by the amd debian installer, so I wonder if i must run grub-install /dev/sda && update-grub after removing the i386 partition if any or not
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247 [01:11:06] <awal1> get 200 gb more free space ^
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253 [01:12:27] <JordiGH> The change from iceweasel to firefox has messed with xdg-open
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256 [01:12:43] <JordiGH> I get: Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system.
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259 [01:13:05] <JordiGH> But "firefox replaced-url
260 [01:13:18] <JordiGH> Also, clicking links on the console loads the HTML source in Emacs, wtf.
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264 [01:14:21] <awal1> I wont get a broken grub after removing the i386 partition . so I think I may have to run grub-install & update-grub but i dont know if it's necessary
265 [01:14:28] <miskatonic> so the logo of Firefox is no longer a problem for Debian?
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267 [01:14:57] <awal1> TomTomTosch, grub-install winll overwrite the old grub core image or will create a second one or wha
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269 [01:15:15] <awal1> what ^
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271 [01:15:56] <JordiGH> Huh, xdg-open works fine now.
272 [01:15:56] <TomTomTosch> it should overwrite the old ones in /boot/grub/
273 [01:16:35] <miskatonic> anyways, with Mozilla's decision to trash xulrunner I will not be able to tolerate firefox much longer
274 [01:16:52] <miskatonic> regardless of the name
275 [01:17:43] <awal1> TomTomTosch, Thats what I think, and I already did it once months ago in another machine and all fine but not really sure if grub-install overwrites the old grub core image of creates a new one ending in a conflict. no sure
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283 [01:23:55] <poeticrpm> anyone here with debian installed on luks?
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285 [01:24:02] <JordiGH> Yeah.
286 [01:24:07] <poeticrpm> preferably those using a keyfile
287 [01:24:15] <JordiGH> Yeah, those people exist.
288 [01:24:26] <JordiGH> In here.
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290 [01:24:49] <poeticrpm> JordiGH, been trying for 3 days all over google and asking in here- noone responded :P
291 [01:25:02] <JordiGH> Peter Noone is a busy man.
292 [01:25:17] <poeticrpm> ok.
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323 [01:41:20] <iLogic> hey guys what’s the difference between bt-cd and iso-cd?
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325 [01:42:15] <babilen> iLogic: Download via bittorrent vs http
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327 [01:42:31] <iLogic> babilen: i see, thanks!
328 [01:42:42] <JordiGH> A good excuse to torrent boldly and without social stigma.
329 [01:43:08] <iLogic> also i’m trying to download the most complete iso with non-free firmware
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331 [01:43:28] <JordiGH> Do you need it?
332 [01:43:38] <iLogic> so if i go via bittorrent it would be replaced-url
333 [01:43:47] <iLogic> well at least broadcom drivers
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335 [01:44:30] <karl> hi, i have a problem on a jessie gnome system. something seems to replace my resolv.conf file every few minutes
336 [01:44:36] <karl> and i cant find out what is doing that
337 [01:44:44] <JordiGH> It's not network-manager?
338 [01:44:59] <karl> no, journalctl -u NetworkManager does not show any activity
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343 [01:45:40] <karl> its really super annoying
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345 [01:46:03] <karl> i tried to audit /etc/resolv.conf but that does not give me any information
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347 [01:46:13] <karl> i have to add the nameservers manually every few minutes
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349 [01:47:18] <karl> what else could be changing /etc/resolv.conf ?
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351 [01:48:02] <iLogic> JordiGH: i could make a bootable usb with the complete dvd image and then just add a folder with the firmware later, right?
352 [01:48:29] <n00b13> karl: are you running systemd?
353 [01:48:45] <karl> yes, but i think i have disabled networkd
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355 [01:49:13] <karl> how would i check ?
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357 [01:50:18] <debidi> AirPlanes: "arch user" what are you speaking of ??
358 [01:50:18] <n00b13> karl:had the same issue yesterday :-D
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360 [01:50:58] <karl> how did you solve ?
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362 [01:52:09] <n00b13> karl: # while true; do echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf ; done <---- and solved :D
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365 [01:52:38] <jmcnaught> hmmm... that isn't a good way
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368 [01:53:09] <karl> how can i find out who is changing resolv.conf ?
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370 [01:53:33] <jmcnaught> karl: does resolv.conf say what made it?
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373 [01:54:02] <jmcnaught> karl: are you using resolvconf?
374 [01:54:05] <karl> nope, the #created by network-manager line is missing
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376 [01:54:37] <markybob> probably because you just overwrote it :P
377 [01:54:54] <karl> no, i keep adding a line with my nameserver....
378 [01:55:27] <markybob> you did > . not >>. that's not adding
379 [01:55:48] <debidi> noodle: @ least add a sleep 60 or something to that loop
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381 [01:55:57] <karl> it might have something to do with ipv6. my resolv.conf file now contains only one entry and thats the ipv6 of my router
382 [01:56:05] <noodle> ?
383 [01:56:15] <jmcnaught> karl: if you run "journalctl -f" can you see anything trying to change it?
384 [01:56:22] <karl> still, its not network-manager that is maniplulating the file
385 [01:57:01] <Dagger> karl: might be rdnssd (in which case I made things better by installing resolvconf)
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388 [01:57:43] <karl> rdnssd is installed
389 [01:57:58] <karl> and running
390 [01:58:12] <jmcnaught> karl: what does resolv.conf get replaced with by the way?
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392 [01:58:32] <karl> currently one single line with "nameserver ipv6ofrouter"
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394 [02:00:14] <noodle> fuck rdnssd
395 [02:00:23] <noodle> apt-get purge
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398 [02:01:14] <karl> i just stopped rdnssd, now waiting....
399 [02:01:33] <LinuxAndCake_> Hello, I have a linux computer, with no internet, (wifi is up, but needs verication, and I have no web browsing software and it is a shell-only at the moment
400 [02:01:48] <LinuxAndCake_> Any ideas to get gnome installed on it?
401 [02:02:05] <awal1> iLogic, the non-free iso (iso with non-free firmwares) is the same as the netint but it contains non-free stuff
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404 [02:02:47] <awal1> installation needs access to wired/wifi
405 [02:02:48] <jmcnaught> LinuxAndCake_: "wifi is up, but needs verication" ?
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407 [02:03:16] <LinuxAndCake_> You know those public networks that you need to sign in to? that is currently my only option, and ethernet is broken.. I broke it accidentlly..
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410 [02:05:03] <LinuxAndCake_> I have another computer, and a windows HDD, anyone know if I could put a desktop enviorment on it that way?
411 [02:05:09] <LinuxAndCake_> (with the HDD out)
412 [02:05:12] <jmcnaught> LinuxAndCake_: if you can connect to that you can install gnome from a network mirror
413 [02:05:33] <jmcnaught> LinuxAndCake_: how is the windows computer connected?
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415 [02:05:44] <LinuxAndCake_> Not being the issue
416 [02:06:06] <LinuxAndCake_> (and a flash drive which I could actually use)
417 [02:06:56] <jmcnaught> !cd contents
418 [02:06:56] <dpkg> To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at replaced-url
419 [02:07:27] <jmcnaught> LinuxAndCake_: you could use the above to figure out which CD the gnome packages are on, download the ISO and mount it on the linux computer.
420 [02:07:34] <karl> stopping rdnssd seems to have done the trick !
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422 [02:07:44] <karl> can i safely purge it ?
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424 [02:08:30] <jmcnaught> LinuxAndCake_: or connect the linux computer to the internet and use a network mirror
425 [02:09:05] <iLogic> awal1: if i were to install from the dvd image the firmware would have to be installed afterwards or via second usb drive, right?
426 [02:09:17] <LinuxAndCake_> The network issue is the problem.. I can't login to the wifi, (it is like that coffe shop wifi you need to login to
427 [02:09:32] <LinuxAndCake_> And I broke the ethernet port whilst switching the HDD out
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430 [02:10:16] <jmcnaught> LinuxAndCake_: login how, with a web browser? you could try with w3m if you're stuck without X
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432 [02:10:45] <awal1> iLogic, if your machine needs non free firmware only unofficial cd image contains the nonfree firmwares
433 [02:10:59] <karl> ok, thanks for the hint with rdnssd, purging it seems to have resolved the problem. :)
434 [02:11:11] <karl> cheers and good night ! 2am ...
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436 [02:11:17] <awal1> other cd's & dvd's doesn't include non-free stuff, iLogic
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438 [02:11:45] <n00b13> karl: replaced-url
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440 [02:12:58] <awal1> iLogic, unofficial doesn't mean it's not an official debian image; it is an official image, just called like that bcoz of debian rules. so use that if you need non free stuff
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442 [02:13:49] <jmcnaught> it's not the official installer, but it's provided by the Debian project to make things easier for users that need it
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444 [02:14:52] <awal1> not sure if DD's working on the official installer are the sames making the unofficial...
445 [02:15:36] <awal1> probably yes
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461 [02:29:09] <n00b13> karl: and no rdnssd at all
462 [02:29:11] <n00b13> # echo $(dpkg -l|grep -E "(dns|systemd)" | cut -d" " -f2-5 )
463 [02:29:13] <n00b13> dh-systemd dns-root-data dnsmasq-base dnsutils libdns-export100 libdns-export162 libdns100 libdns162:amd64 libnet-dns-perl libnss-mdns:amd64 libpam-systemd:amd64 libsystemd0:amd64 libsystemd0:i386 python3-systemd systemd systemd-container systemd-shim systemd-sysv
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473 [02:32:45] <awal1> iLogic, also tthere are a live+ non-free iso cd's (I dont knew that before :P)
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475 [02:33:03] <iLogic> awal1: where’s dat?
476 [02:34:32] <awal1> iLogic, replaced-url
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479 [02:34:53] <iLogic> oh that’s what i’m trying, no dice though
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482 [02:35:09] <iLogic> oh no wait..
483 [02:35:12] <iLogic> thanks a lot bro!
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543 [03:12:41] <iLogic> if i install debian 8.0 it can be upgraded to 8.5 via aptitude full-upgrade right?
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548 [03:16:28] <awal1> iLogic, why 8.0.0 if you have the 8.5?
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550 [03:17:07] <iLogic> awal1: actually 8.1, didnt know i had it on a pendrive before..
551 [03:17:26] <awal1> but yes, that's obvious with 8.0 then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade or apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
552 [03:17:47] <awal1> or apt update && apt full-upgrade
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554 [03:18:10] <iLogic> do aptitude, apt-get and apt have any difference?
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556 [03:19:10] <tokage> Why does somebody named apt go into debian?^^
557 [03:19:25] <iLogic> to package manage?
558 [03:19:28] <tokage> #debian
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560 [03:20:31] <awal1> iLogic, I suggest you to use only apt-get or aptitude and dont mixt. until you are more familiar with them. with stable (jessie), things still a bit as in the old way; aptitude still "conflicting" with apt removing and fixing stuff. with stretch , all coexist smoothly
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570 [03:23:33] <awal1> conflicting is not really the convenient word but people familiar with debian knows about what I'm talking
571 [03:24:09] <iLogic> aptitude it is then :)
572 [03:24:56] <awal1> apt-get is almost the standard right now, if i can say that :P
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574 [03:25:37] <awal1> tokage, apt go to debian?
575 [03:25:57] <iLogic> i thought aptitude was superior
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577 [03:26:01] <markybob> apt in stretch is great. jessie not so much
578 [03:26:02] <tokage> awal1: he gets highlighted all the time :P
579 [03:26:07] <apt> markybob: okay
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581 [03:26:22] <tokage> Hey apt :D
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583 [03:26:48] <markybob> it's a mix between apt-cache and apt-get, basically. pretty nice.
584 [03:27:18] <iLogic> so in jessie apt-get?
585 [03:28:32] <markybob> jessie has apt (which is different than apt-get). just doesn't have as many features like it's stretch sister
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588 [03:29:20] <awal1> iLogic, use them all and with time you will find out what makes one different from another
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590 [03:29:48] <iLogic> got it
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592 [03:30:42] <Coolternet> hi guys
593 [03:30:58] <Coolternet> Anyone know how to fin process if exist ?
594 [03:31:05] <awal1> iLogic, non english spoken here, so I cant express all what I want correctly, sorry
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596 [03:31:57] <Coolternet> I have VirtualBox installed and i need to see if a process with --comment <machine name> exist... How ?
597 [03:32:00] <iLogic> awal1: you canadian?
598 [03:32:29] <awal1> iLogic, living in Canada yeah, but I'm berber
599 [03:32:39] <Coolternet> Im canadian too :)
600 [03:32:47] <Coolternet> from Québec :)
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603 [03:33:04] <iLogic> awal1: your alphabet is amazing
604 [03:33:26] <awal1> iLogic, :)
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608 [03:35:09] <awal1> Coolternic, you have a lot of system monitoring tools. also ps and similar utilities
609 [03:35:28] <Coolternet> im in command line :)
610 [03:35:37] <Coolternet> it'.s for my PhP Script
611 [03:35:54] <awal1> man ps
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616 [03:37:09] <awal1> easiest htop + f3 search word, top + L search word, etc
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768 [05:26:15] <danieli> for some reason, this keeps happening... Jul 11 05:25:08 daniel-pc systemd[1087]: Received SIGRTMIN+24 from PID 1375 (kill).
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784 [05:31:51] <danieli> seems to cough on the proprietary nvidia driver... time to get rid of that crap.. when and if I can
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840 [06:05:46] <mladoux> Watching Mr. Robot... he runs Debian!!! XD
841 [06:06:42] <polyzen> !kick mladoux mufuckin' spoilers
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844 [06:07:45] <mladoux> I'm not telling you what happens
845 [06:08:01] <mladoux> just that his computer runs debian.
846 [06:08:14] <mladoux> if you want to know what he's doing with debian, you'll just have to watch the show.
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848 [06:08:55] <mladoux> I was just shocked that a primetime shows a linux other than Ubuntu or Fedora.
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851 [06:09:40] * polyzen wonders if someone in here knew about this before the ep "aired"
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863 [06:19:40] <mladoux> polyzen, probably only the writers, as this is the first episode where they showed anything that indicated a particular distro.
864 [06:20:16] <polyzen> I imagine they had to ask Debian for permission /shrug
865 [06:20:44] <mladoux> polyzen, no idea, I'm pretty sure the GPL would allow them to do that without asking.
866 [06:21:03] <mladoux> but, of course, i'm no lawyer
867 [06:21:17] <polyzen> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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909 [06:45:51] <polyzen> Hack the Gibson
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912 [06:51:30] <Coolternet> guys i need some help here
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914 [06:52:17] <Coolternet> when i use (ps aux | grep '971ad205-ed7a-45d1-92fd-b43346ee2eca') i have a result : (grep '971ad205-ed7a-45d1-92fd-b43346ee2eca')
915 [06:52:45] <Coolternet> i need to check if the process is running with a specific $var
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937 [07:13:41] <Zliba> i asked this before but my log file seems to have disintegrated -- how do I control the fan speed, or shut certain fans off? I've got a HP GL380 G5 and I want to turn off the hard drive fans / slow down the other fans
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941 [07:15:34] <Zliba> oh fancontrol
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953 [07:23:52] <Zliba> nah it says "there are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed"
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963 [07:34:52] <vook> Zliba: have you checked in the bios? They could be set to max speed rather than auto
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965 [07:36:44] <vook> I've dealt with that before on dl380's, I seem to remember needing to install firmware or something of the like.
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1119 [08:51:32] <boser> Heelo, i hav a little problem. My configuration is: 2 PC over a switch connecte to 1 monitor, 1 keyboard and 1 mouse. i use debian 8.5 with cinnemon as DE. Now, when i switch to the second pc and der first one run into the screensaver, than he lost the resolution and go into a 800x600 resolution. Normaly i use 1920x7___ resolution. I hab a V7-2733 monitor. Can somebody give me a tipp?
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1123 [08:52:52] <somiaj> boser: it might not be able to detect the edid of the monintor if the switch is not selected when it boots. The options I know of are to either configure xorg.conf to the resolution you want, or you can get a copy of the edid of the monintor and tell xorg to use that and then it will detect the resolutions correctly
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1126 [08:54:34] <boser> during the boot, i have the correct connecting. but during the two pc are running, i have the problem.
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1128 [08:56:06] <somiaj> wonder if something is running that detects the mointor change, maybe giving it the edit would help with this
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1171 [09:17:13] <Neobenedict_> whats a good simple ftp server I can install?
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1196 [09:21:20] <ChrisH> Neobenedict_: aptitude search ftpd will show tons of them. But do you really want to install FTPd?
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1198 [09:21:54] <Neobenedict_> is FTPS and SFTP the same thing?
1199 [09:22:13] <somiaj> Neobenedict_: no
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1201 [09:22:29] <somiaj> Neobenedict_: I would suggest sftp over ssh though.
1202 [09:22:29] <Neobenedict_> then i have to, as this android app only supports FTP and FTPS. sad days :(
1203 [09:22:31] <ChrisH> Neobenedict_: no. sftp uses ssh/port 22 and ftps is a weird half-encryptrd stuff
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1208 [09:23:19] <ChrisH> Neobenedict_: then use ftps, there at least the credentials are crypted.... or better get another app or have the vendor make it secure
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1223 [09:29:19] <sumi> hello
1224 [09:29:23] <ChrisH> Neobenedict_: you can ask the bot about the other things using /msg dpkg ftp must die
1225 [09:29:36] <Neobenedict_> thanks
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1228 [09:30:13] <pujan14> Hi, today I did apt-get dist-upgrade and that said it will install some new packages, I stopped it and then did apt-get upgrade it completed normally but now when I do apt-get dist-upgrade I don't see any updates. Can some one explain to me why?
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1276 [09:44:57] <Neobenedict_> if I symlink /x/y/z/ to /replaced-url
1277 [09:45:01] <Neobenedict_> hopefully that makes sense
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1279 [09:45:21] <Neobenedict_> i found a way not to use ftp btw :P
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1283 [09:46:56] <shodan`> Hey, I was wondering what the preseed command equivalent for `network-console/authorized_keys_url` for the newly created user would be?
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1290 [09:50:17] <babilen> shodan`: That is part of the preseed file?!
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1293 [09:50:35] <babilen> replaced-url
1294 [09:50:50] <shodan`> babilen: that's for the network console, if you want to proceed manually
1295 [09:51:04] <babilen> Indeed
1296 [09:51:27] <babilen> So, the equivalent of "network-console/authorized_keys_url" in the preseed file is, well, "network-console/authorized_keys_url"
1297 [09:51:39] <shodan`> I want to seed the `.ssh/authorized_keys` file for the newly created user
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1299 [09:52:04] <shodan`> That will seed the newly created user's authorized_keys?
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1305 [09:53:14] <babilen> Not sure if you can do that via preseeding, but it should be trivial to write a script that does it and that you call at the end (cf. preseed/late_command)
1306 [09:53:36] <babilen> Also look into tools such as cloud-init or OpenNebula's "contextualisation" feature.
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1311 [09:55:14] <shodan`> Yeah, I was thinking of using late_command but I'd rather do it using a preseed command if that was possible
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1402 [10:41:11] <vlt> Hello. We switched to Debian on the desktop recently but because our users complain about Icedove constantly crashing I installed evolution. When I try to run it I get "Unable to find suitable fbconfig for the GLX context: Failed to find any compatible fbconfigs". This is on MATE desktop via an x2go client (also Debian 8). Any idea how to fix this?
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1415 [10:47:05] <jorgesanjuan> vlt, I had some problems with Icedove as well in. Specifically I couldn't apply the settings (I wanted plain text but the ok button was never working). I use mozilla zuntherbird (which looks pretty much the same as icedove) and it works ok on my Debian laptop.
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1433 [10:55:08] <vlt> jorgesanjuan: Icedove _is_ basically Thunderbird. Debian had to use a different name for some weird legal reasons.
1434 [10:55:15] <RebelCoderW> Guys, is code of application reviewed on Debian side at all ? I mean, just as an example, If I use some E-Mail client, how can I be sure it is "clean" and not forwarding my mail to someone? Or do users have to review the code themself ?
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1436 [10:56:03] <vlt> jorgesanjuan: Did you install Thunderbird manually or is there a package in the official repos?
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1438 [10:57:12] <miskatonic> can thunderbird be compiled from mozilla's source repository?
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1444 [11:00:02] <vlt> RebelCoderW: The packages you install from the official repositories are signed. You don’t have to check every download yourself. For the software itself you have to trust the community of users and developers (as you have to with the whole OS). Something like replaced-url
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1449 [11:03:21] <jorgesanjuan> vlt, IRC, i added the mozilla repo (deb replaced-url
1450 [11:03:21] <jorgesanjuan> ) in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntuzilla.list
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1453 [11:04:04] <vlt> jorgesanjuan: Ok, thanks.
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1458 [11:07:52] <jorgesanjuan> This is a bit more detailed vlt. (replaced-url
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1464 [11:12:37] <Knaldgas> Suddenly my libreoffice wont start - Small window saying "The application cannot be started. Exception Manager: exception in synchronize". Worked in 5.1.3, but failing after upgrading to 5.1.4 (Debian Stretch)
1465 [11:12:40] <Knaldgas> starting it from root works fine. Removing the user profile from ordinary user does not work
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1476 [11:17:41] <lelu> Hi all, how would I go about submitting an ITP for replaced-url
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1496 [11:26:55] <RebelCoderW> vlt: Got it!
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1498 [11:27:25] <RebelCoderW> But signed, means code has been reviewed by comminity member ?
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1500 [11:29:30] <vlt> RebelCoderW: I’m not an expert but I think there are maintainers for each package and they sign them using the Debian key.
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1502 [11:30:20] <RebelCoderW> sign with a key != dp a cope review
1503 [11:30:27] <RebelCoderW> *do
1504 [11:30:32] <RebelCoderW> Ok. I will figure this oput
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1556 [12:02:46] <petn-randall> RebelCoderW: The source of all code going to the end user is pretty well documented, and secured by signing of code in several steps. If someone would put a backdoor in your mail client, the author of this backdoor would be pretty clear pretty fast.
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1559 [12:03:46] <RebelCoderW> petn-randall: that sounds very good and is a clear explanation! thank you !
1560 [12:03:58] <petn-randall> RebelCoderW: The other thing is that you can download the corresponding source code, and do a reproducible build. Meaning that you can verify that the package you build yourself is the same as the one from the repository, so nobody can sneak in a backdoor without putting it in the source code.
1561 [12:04:21] <RebelCoderW> OK. got it !
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1563 [12:04:55] <petn-randall> RebelCoderW: While not *all* source code is reviewed all the time, this makes a backdoor scenario more and more unlikely. The more likely way to be compromised nowadays is by running unpatched software.
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1566 [12:05:16] <petn-randall> * reviewed all the time by Debian developers
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1568 [12:05:30] <petn-randall> The code is usually reviewed by several people in the upstream project.
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1570 [12:06:15] <RebelCoderW> Nice. So NOT using packages, that are not in official repos is a good idea.
1571 [12:06:25] <RebelCoderW> Ok. I Understand now.
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1574 [12:07:58] <petn-randall> RebelCoderW: Indeed. 3rd party repos are kind of a gamble. Some can be good, but many are below Debian quality. And effectively you're trusting a repo with root access to your machine when you install packages, as the pre-installation and post-installation scripts run as root.
1575 [12:09:18] <RebelCoderW> petn-randall: good. Will keep all of that in mind now
1576 [12:09:26] <RebelCoderW> thanks again
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1643 [12:53:30] <ciobi> Hello ...i have a server whit debian 7 OS ...is there any way to hide the ports ?
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1658 [13:00:56] <vlt> ciobi: What is not “hidden” now and how is is supposed to look when it is?
1659 [13:01:20] <vlt> ciobi: What’s your goal here?
1660 [13:01:28] <afernandez_> Can anyone explain this? I do not get it : echo '1 2 3 4 5 6'| while read a b c; do echo result: $c $b $a;done the result is: result: 3 4 5 6 2 1
1661 [13:01:31] <afernandez_> Thank you
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1666 [13:04:02] <ciobi> Nmap myip and at the end of nmaps/scan all available ports are showned
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1668 [13:04:36] <ciobi> I would like to mask that and hide that
1669 [13:04:54] <armin> afernandez_: it should become more clear if you try this: echo '1 2 3 4 5 6'| while read a b c; do echo $c; done
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1672 [13:05:16] <vlt> afernandez_: $a = 1, $b = 2, $c = 3 4 5 6
1673 [13:05:26] <armin> what vlt said.
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1675 [13:05:36] <afernandez_> Thank you!!!
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1680 [13:06:29] <afernandez_> Y $c is 3 numbers and abc is only one each?
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1683 [13:07:54] <afernandez_> a, b I meant
1684 [13:08:03] <vlt> afernandez_: That’s how this works.
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1686 [13:08:39] <afernandez_> hmmm
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1700 [13:15:36] <vlt> ciobi: Obvious answer: close the ports. Don’t run services on these ports.
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1702 [13:17:33] <vlt> ciobi: For more complicated answers you’d need to give more details about your setup.
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1705 [13:18:31] <ciobi> Yeah ...sorry for that :)
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1729 [13:31:30] <ByteStorm> how can i prevent my debian screen from going to sleep???
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1733 [13:32:04] <qmr> try wiggling your mouse about
1734 [13:32:15] <ByteStorm> no,a permanent solution
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1741 [13:35:09] <fredl> I seem to be having some problems getting my box to recognize the microphone in my logitech webcam
1742 [13:35:34] <ByteStorm> there is no way to stop the screensaver ?
1743 [13:36:48] <fredl> of course there is Bytestorm
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1745 [13:37:12] <ByteStorm> how fredl,can you pls tell me....bsides wriggling mouse
1746 [13:37:24] <petn-randall> ByteStorm: Configure your screensaver to not turn on.
1747 [13:37:37] <ByteStorm> in Settings menu?
1748 [13:37:49] <petn-randall> ByteStorm: Depending on your desktop environment, there are several ways to do that.
1749 [13:38:05] <petn-randall> ByteStorm: Probably, yes.
1750 [13:38:05] <ByteStorm> yes im on Gnome
1751 [13:38:09] <fredl> well I don't know for sure yet as I just reverted back from Mate to Gnome Shell
1752 [13:38:22] <han-solo> Xorg?
1753 [13:38:33] <fredl> and as I say 'of course there is' I find myself looking for it too
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1756 [13:39:39] <fredl> of course there were good reasons to want to switch to Mate
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1759 [13:41:19] <ByteStorm> can anyone tell me where in Settings of Gnome??
1760 [13:42:30] <fredl> well I have to tell you I'm looking for it as well myself
1761 [13:42:53] <fredl> I'm not sure how even something so relatively trivial can be hidden from plain sight by Gnome
1762 [13:43:06] <ByteStorm> yeah
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1768 [13:44:30] <fredl> replaced-url
1769 [13:44:43] <fredl> haha
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1771 [13:44:46] <fredl> 'Is this really true? Because it sounds too crazy to be true, even for Gnome.'
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1775 [13:45:53] <fredl> has Gnome 3 been infiltrated by Microsoft's embrace and extend taskforce?
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1778 [13:46:35] <abrotman> ByteStorm: which settings? There is also the gnome-tweak-tool
1779 [13:46:55] <ByteStorm> yeah...i mean the Settings app
1780 [13:47:03] <teraflops> fredl: a post from 2011 from the reliable loljwz.org looks pretty accurate if you ask me </sarcasm>
1781 [13:47:08] <ByteStorm> the one with the tools on it
1782 [13:47:33] <ByteStorm> srry will check tht too
1783 [13:47:37] <fredl> loljwz?
1784 [13:47:48] <teraflops> lolwhatever
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1788 [13:51:29] <ByteStorm> abrotman: can you tell me where is the screensaver option? in the tweak tools
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1791 [13:53:03] <fredl> maybe this one's better teraflops? replaced-url
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1794 [13:54:06] <fredl> anyway sorry this is #debian, not #gnomebitching
1795 [13:54:33] <ByteStorm> searching for screensaver in the search tab didnt help too
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1797 [13:56:20] <fredl> ByteStorm, apt-get install xscreensaver xscreensaver-gl-extra xscreensaver-data-extra
1798 [13:56:21] <ByteStorm> yeah theres a extension for tht
1799 [13:56:31] <ByteStorm> a gnome extension
1800 [13:56:44] <fredl> then you can just type 'xscreensaver'
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1803 [13:57:33] <ByteStorm> is tht an Xorg app?
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1808 [13:59:45] <SOUL_OF_R00T> hello great guys , i have a litle trouble here and need some help? please , i'm using stretch at some time time i use kde desktop and at last week my left click menus disapear what is happening ?
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1810 [14:01:26] <ByteStorm> now i need to do some git and install
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1816 [14:02:36] <ByteStorm> how do i restart the gnome shell???
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1822 [14:03:57] <Citizen1> restart lightdm by /etc/init.d/lightdm restart
1823 [14:04:01] <Citizen1> in root
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1826 [14:04:19] <fredl> systemctl restart gdm?
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1828 [14:04:28] <ByteStorm> ok
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1833 [14:05:08] <fredl> but systemctl.... well let me not go there
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1835 [14:05:10] <Citizen1> he has do it
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1837 [14:05:28] <fredl> before I get some snarky lolinit remark
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1852 [14:08:29] <MaBunny> its installed now
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1857 [14:12:49] <abrotman> guess he found it ..
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1860 [14:13:57] <teraflops> fredl: that post is not serious, you better read man xscreensaver, also replaced-url
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1862 [14:16:54] <wewlad> ello, debs. 'apt-get upgrade' results into 'E: Broken packages' because it says that wine-development (which I have installed from a different repo) has unmet dependencies. How to resolve this conflict?
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1869 [14:20:37] <teraflops> wewlad: not mixing repos…
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1873 [14:21:45] <wewlad> teraflops: is it bad? I thought apt can work fine with multiple repos
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1875 [14:22:07] <bezaban> as long as they're all debian repos for the same version it should be fine
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1887 [14:24:57] <wewlad> main debian repo has outdated wine, are you saying that if I want fresher wine I have to live with that error that apt-get gives me?
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1889 [14:25:33] <teraflops> wewlad: so are you in jessie and the wine dev pulls from jessie-backports too?
1890 [14:26:34] <wewlad> teraflops: yeah
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1895 [14:28:19] <MaBunny> guys anyone knos how to install this: replaced-url
1896 [14:29:17] <MaBunny> from hewre: replaced-url
1897 [14:29:24] <teraflops> no idea then, perhaps the development bit implies sometimes it breaks, or just wait till they fix it
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1907 [14:30:01] <MaBunny> lool
1908 [14:30:16] <MaBunny> teraflops: to me?
1909 [14:30:35] <teraflops> oh I had that guy in the ignore list ;)
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1911 [14:30:42] <MaBunny> ?
1912 [14:30:46] <teraflops> MaBunny: nope sorry, to wewlad
1913 [14:31:00] <MaBunny> well tht guy was having his luck tested
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1915 [14:31:12] <teraflops> i just saw the kick ^
1916 [14:31:27] <MaBunny> how do i build a javascript source code
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1918 [14:32:53] <ByteStorm> anyone has an idea???
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1921 [14:33:29] <petn-randall> ByteStorm: Have you checked the README accompanying the source code?
1922 [14:33:46] <ByteStorm> yes i checked ShutdownTimers readme
1923 [14:34:07] <ByteStorm> i actually hav downloaded it on my disk
1924 [14:34:16] <ByteStorm> replaced-url
1925 [14:34:25] <petn-randall> ByteStorm: And does it say you have to build it?
1926 [14:34:31] <ByteStorm> theres no compilation steps provided
1927 [14:34:42] <ByteStorm> no it doesnt petn-randall
1928 [14:35:09] <Citizen1> use systemd -h to use a timer no ?
1929 [14:35:30] <petn-randall> ByteStorm: I'd check the documentation for gnome extensions, I think you just have to drop those file into a certain dir on your filesystem.
1930 [14:35:36] <Citizen1> to execute js code u havent to compile use javaws
1931 [14:35:49] <Citizen1> im playing i dont check the github
1932 [14:36:08] <ByteStorm> well....i dont kno how to use systemd command,and it did be a overkill to learn it now
1933 [14:36:20] <ByteStorm> im just looking for some simple solutions :)
1934 [14:36:36] <ByteStorm> petn-randall: which folder?
1935 [14:36:55] <Citizen1> the simple its use the debian logiciels :)
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1938 [14:37:46] <ByteStorm> yes,but i havent still learned a lotta commands,and systemd is for sysAdmins right?
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1940 [14:37:48] <wewlad> teraflops: I doubt it has actually anything to do with broken repo/package.
1941 [14:37:49] <petn-randall> ByteStorm: You have to look at the gnome extensions docs yourself, I don't use it.
1942 [14:38:06] <ByteStorm> ok petn-randall
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1944 [14:38:28] <wewlad> 'apt-cache policy wine-development suggests this: replaced-url
1945 [14:38:35] <petn-randall> ByteStorm: But I'm sure it's pretty straight-forward, since gnome has a very simple interface.
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1947 [14:38:42] <ByteStorm> ok
1948 [14:39:09] <ByteStorm> ill check their irc channels
1949 [14:39:18] <Citizen1> man systemd
1950 [14:39:27] <Citizen1> but to shutdown use systemd -h
1951 [14:39:37] <petn-randall> Citizen1: systemd has little to do with it if you're looking for a GUI to set a shutdown timer.
1952 [14:40:32] <petn-randall> But if you want to do it via the command line as root, there's the 'shutdown' command which takes a time parameter.
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1955 [14:41:19] <boser> !weather 93051
1956 [14:41:19] <digilink> Invalid query. Try again.
1957 [14:41:26] <dpkg> I can't find station code "93051" (see replaced-url
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1959 [14:41:48] <Citizen1> sorry i was thinking to shutdown not systemd d
1960 [14:41:50] <Citizen1> ^^
1961 [14:41:56] <Citizen1> shutdown -h XX:XX
1962 [14:43:31] <Citizen1> i found this replaced-url
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1965 [14:44:09] <boser> !weather 10776
1966 [14:44:10] <digilink> Invalid query. Try again.
1967 [14:44:17] <dpkg> I can't find station code "10776" (see replaced-url
1968 [14:44:30] <Citizen1> ByteStorm : the most simple is use the terminal and learn commands when u use it ( not at the start ) but its the simple because with that u can do what do u want on each machines without soft or others
1969 [14:44:56] <Citizen1> sry bad english ^^
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1974 [14:46:01] <ByteStorm> i dont want to use systemd,but i did be ok with shutdown...i heard of it,but nvr oif the timer part
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1977 [14:47:37] <Citizen1> u can use the -h to tell time in this format HH:MM
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1979 [14:48:06] <petn-randall> !u
1980 [14:48:07] <dpkg> Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See replaced-url
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1982 [14:48:37] <Citizen1> sorry guys
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1984 [14:48:49] <petn-randall> hehe, no worries :)
1985 [14:48:49] <Citizen1> you can use the -h option :)
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2007 [14:56:34] <wewlad> Does anyone know how to update a specific package from a specific repo if that package is listed in multiple repos?
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2012 [14:57:53] <iLogic> Hey guys, i’m trying to install debian 8.5 (version livecd + non free) but I can’t get the wifi (broadcom bcm4312, thus the non free firmware) to work inside the installer. If connect via the xfce network utility before install, the installer is able to join the network but in the process the utility drops it and afterwards the installer fails to get an ip via dhcp. If don’t connect via utility first, the installer simply hangs until timeout tryin
2013 [14:57:54] <iLogic> connect wth the AP. Any ideas?
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2016 [14:58:21] <petn-randall> wewlad: apt-get install foo/otherrepo
2017 [14:58:43] <petn-randall> wewlad: You just have to find the right code name that repo has with 'apt-get policy foo'.
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2019 [14:58:50] <teraflops> iLogic: which authen method uses your ap?
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2021 [14:59:03] <iLogic> teraflops: wpa2
2022 [14:59:09] <wewlad> petn-randall: 'apt-cahce policy'?
2023 [14:59:11] <armin> "Debian is now run as if popularity is more important than correctness." (reddit)
2024 [14:59:27] <iLogic> teraflops: *personal
2025 [14:59:29] <teraflops> iLogic: also switch to another tty and see the logs
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2027 [14:59:46] <iLogic> teraflops: /var/log?
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2030 [15:00:06] <teraflops> are you in the installer?
2031 [15:00:20] <ByteStorm> Citizen1: do i hav to use shutdown with su?
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2037 [15:01:37] <petn-randall> wewlad: sorry, yes, 'apt-cache policy foo'.
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2039 [15:01:55] <iLogic> teraflops: starting it right now
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2041 [15:02:07] <teraflops> iLogic: just crtl+alt+f* idk which tty number exactly is, but iirc there's one spammed with installation logs
2042 [15:02:08] <petn-randall> armin: There is both source and context missing.
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2047 [15:02:34] <armin> petn-randall: replaced-url
2048 [15:02:38] <teraflops> iLogic: also maybe related to your wireless nick lacking proper firmware
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2050 [15:02:51] <armin> petn-randall: that statement appears to be true even without context, though.
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2052 [15:03:36] <petn-randall> armin: That discussion is better suited for #debian-offtopic, as this is the support channel.
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2054 [15:04:05] <iLogic> teraflops: you mean the debian drivers or the router's?
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2057 [15:04:49] <teraflops> nope, drivers/firmware on the installer, for your wireless nic
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2061 [15:05:25] <tomreyn> iLogic: read this if you haven't replaced-url
2062 [15:05:52] <iLogic> teraflops: i’m used with them just working before (on this same machine)
2063 [15:06:07] <armin> petn-randall: true, i'm happy to discuss source and context over there if you feel like. thanks for pointing that out.
2064 [15:06:09] <teraflops> iLogic: oh sorry I missed your description of the issue above (sorry im on a relay)
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2066 [15:06:31] <iLogic> with the b43/ucode15.fw driver
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2069 [15:07:09] <armin> iLogic: are you using the "unofficial" installation images that contain the non-free firmware files?
2070 [15:07:14] <iLogic> yup armin
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2072 [15:07:23] <armin> iLogic: still no dice using those?
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2074 [15:07:29] <iLogic> yeah :(
2075 [15:07:44] <teraflops> iLogic: appart from that, do you see any clue from the logs?
2076 [15:07:56] <iLogic> i’m gonna try it again now, hold on
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2079 [15:08:29] <teraflops> iLogic: just crtl+alt+f{2,3,4,5…} till you see text spamming the tty
2080 [15:08:57] <iLogic> btw i’m doing the live graphical installer, when I try the regular old school it just asks for b43/ucode15.fw and b43-open drivers (which I was used to provide via another usb stick but wanted something a little more practical)
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2084 [15:09:50] <teraflops> iLogic: oh I always do expert install or just deboostrap, so no idea about that
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2086 [15:10:36] <petn-randall> iLogic: Oh, you have a b43 device. That case is pickly. Because their license prevents distribution, they're not on the non-free installer (IIRC). My suggestion would be to temporarily use the wired connection for installation, then just install the b43 firmware cutter afterwards.
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2088 [15:10:39] <teraflops> hmm live graphical installer means install iso or debian live iso?
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2092 [15:12:16] <teraflops> iLogic: looks like your last message fits with what petn-randall pointed
2093 [15:12:17] <iLogic> teraflops: debian live iso, otherwise the drivers arent detected/installed
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2096 [15:13:06] <teraflops> iLogic: oh I never used the debian live iso, no idea sorry
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2098 [15:13:30] <iLogic> petn-randall: i’ve done that way, also used another usb stick to load the drivers.. but i was aiming for less dependant way (specially cause the router sits in an inconveninent place)
2099 [15:13:42] <iLogic> teraflops: i’ll try the expert install
2100 [15:13:52] <iLogic> also been looking at the dmesg logs
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2102 [15:14:12] <iLogic> there’s a line that says “DFS Master region: unset”
2103 [15:14:12] <teraflops> something relevant? like unable to load fw or whatever?
2104 [15:14:19] <iLogic> the rest dont look problematic
2105 [15:14:25] <iLogic> just link up and then down
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2107 [15:14:38] <teraflops> iLogic: well bcm is a nightmare
2108 [15:14:43] <nokt> Q >>> I have two computers on my LAN ('A' and 'B'), 'A' acts as a Samba server... I've setup a Samba user account on 'A' but I'm confused on how to allow access to a specific user on a different client ('B' in this case), to avoid guests browsing files on 'A'.
2109 [15:14:44] <petn-randall> iLogic: I think the problem is that the vendor has a windows-only .msi to download, and you need the tools to cut the firmware out of it. I don't think the installer has the tools in there, but I might be wrong.
2110 [15:14:51] <nokt> I can log-in from 'B' to 'A' using smbclient, but I'd like to have the shared folder mounted and logged in automatically to a specific user of 'B' (root could be the case)
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2113 [15:15:07] <iLogic> teraflops: indeed.. i gave up trying to make it work on freebsd also
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2118 [15:16:26] <han-solo> when does ping retun "No buffer space available"?
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2121 [15:16:35] <iLogic> petn-randall: seems reasonable, but wouldnt the installer use the same scripts/files then those used later post-install (when it works)?
2122 [15:16:41] <teraflops> iLogic: what about getting the fw via live debian iso, putting the stuff you need in a usb stick and then installing the old way you did before?
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2124 [15:17:08] <iLogic> also has a line that says “ERROR @wl_notify_scan_status : wlan0 Scan_results error (-22)
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2126 [15:17:56] <iLogic> teraflops: i guess it’s there since the xfce network utility connects just fine and I can ping around
2127 [15:18:11] <petn-randall> iLogic: I'm 80% sure that the installer simply doesn't have the right tools on the image, because the dependencies are quite large.
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2129 [15:19:04] <iLogic> petn-randall: but isn’t the install wrapped by the non-official team?
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2131 [15:19:16] <iLogic> makes sense though
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2135 [15:19:35] <petn-randall> iLogic: Ah, scratch that, it's only libc6, bzip and others
2136 [15:19:53] <iLogic> anyways, i’m gonna stop bugging you guys and work around this issue.. clearly broadcom is very bad choice for vendor
2137 [15:19:53] <petn-randall> iLogic: Yeah, but it's a PITA to integrate into the installer, and I'm guessing nobody did that work.
2138 [15:20:11] <teraflops> iLogic: youre confusing the installer with a live debian iso, if I get what you mean
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2142 [15:20:49] <petn-randall> iLogic: The right choice would be to flip the finger at broadcom for slapping a non-distributable license (we don't worry about non-free license, most firmware has that) onto their firmware.
2143 [15:20:54] <iLogic> teraflops: i thought they would patch both to include all the firmware and tools
2144 [15:21:29] <iLogic> teraflops: the livecd and installer i mean ^
2145 [15:21:38] <teraflops> oh, I guess they don't looking at your issue
2146 [15:21:45] <iLogic> petn-randall: indeed, i might even send some hatemail after this is done :)
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2149 [15:22:16] <teraflops> iLogic: im confused again, livecd installer != debian iso right?
2150 [15:22:34] <iLogic> yup
2151 [15:22:37] <teraflops> ok ;)
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2154 [15:22:58] <iLogic> this live package feels pretty fringy
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2156 [15:23:12] <iLogic> most ftp mirrors dont have them
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2158 [15:23:28] <iLogic> it’s a iso-hybrid actually
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2168 [15:25:20] <iLogic> but thing that makes me worry about this install wifi later is that last time I tried the wifi actually worked until some point and then it stopped, i tried to move on without but when it came the install grub2 part it failed miserably.. a quick googling indicated that it might be because I lost the link
2169 [15:25:48] <themill> iLogic: the package mirrors and cd mirrors are entirely different; if a mirror happens to have both that is a happy coincidence
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2171 [15:25:57] <teraflops> iLogic: old macbook?
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2173 [15:26:04] <iLogic> worse, old netbook
2174 [15:26:10] <teraflops> heh
2175 [15:28:01] <n00b13> han-solo: it says, that your send socket buffers are completly full - bumping up net.core.wmem_max is your friend ;-)
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2177 [15:28:25] <petn-randall> iLogic: If grub2 installation failed, it's surely not because of a failed connection. If the download of packages fails, you'll get an error message that you have to acknowledge.
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2186 [15:33:23] <n00b13> han-solo: this is mostly an indicator for poor-networking, high packet loss and low nw-performance....
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2188 [15:34:06] <han-solo> thankyou noob13
2189 [15:34:13] <defanor> hm, debian jessie tried to exec /tmp/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64.config.dJFaSt on update (and filed, since i'm mounting /tmp with noexec). should it do that?
2190 [15:34:31] <defanor> also, what happens if it fails to exec that?
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2197 [15:36:22] <petn-randall> defanor: Debian doesn't work with noexec on /tmp. Depends on what got extracted there.
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2200 [15:36:41] <iLogic> I’m going with the install wifi later solution, thanks for the help teraflops , petn-randall and themill.. you guys are awesome!
2201 [15:37:11] <teraflops> iLogic: good luck ;)
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2203 [15:37:28] <iLogic> thanks!
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2205 [15:37:31] <babilen> defanor: You'd need pre-invoke and post-invoke configuration for DPKG so that it mounts /tmp exec when you run apt*
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2207 [15:38:04] <defanor> petn-randall, babilen: ok, thanks
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2211 [15:39:46] <babilen> defanor: Something like replaced-url
2212 [15:39:49] <babilen> (or so)
2213 [15:39:49] <K|nG> hi could someone provide me with an solution i accidently typped "rm -rf *" on /usr/share how can I recover it ?
2214 [15:40:04] <petn-randall> K|nG: Recover from backups.
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2218 [15:40:44] <K|nG> petn-randall: Non of apps show there could u give me an solution how to because I am using an Debian based distro
2219 [15:40:53] <defanor> babilen: nice, thanks
2220 [15:41:08] <petn-randall> K|nG: Which distro are you using?
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2222 [15:41:16] <K|nG> petn-randall: Deepin
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2224 [15:41:54] <petn-randall> K|nG: Never heard of it. But we only support Debian in here, not any distros based on Debian.
2225 [15:41:59] <petn-randall> !based on
2226 [15:41:59] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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2228 [15:42:59] <K|nG> petn-randall: could you please provide me with some clue at least what kinda app I can use for recovering my damanage "
2229 [15:43:04] <petn-randall> babilen: You're missing 'noexec' in line 2. But that's a sweet solution.
2230 [15:43:28] <babilen> petn-randall: Damn!
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2232 [15:43:42] <babilen> Oh man ... good that you noticed :)
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2234 [15:43:57] <defanor> hm, looks like it works without noexec there, just remounts to the defaults from fstab
2235 [15:44:05] <babilen> It should have taken ....
2236 [15:44:05] <wsky> can anyone recommend me a place with CHEAP Debian cds in europe?
2237 [15:44:07] <petn-randall> K|nG: No app can help you. You can try reinstalling all packages of your system. But again, your distro is offtopic in here.
2238 [15:44:08] <babilen> Yeah, from fstab
2239 [15:44:59] <K|nG> petn-randall: Okay sorry for that but could you tell me how I can reinstall all my packages at once with a singlle command is that possible ?
2240 [15:45:27] <petn-randall> wsky: If you don't have the option to download the images yourself, I think the Debian website has a list of vendors selling them.
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2243 [15:45:47] <wsky> petn-randall: i have the option but i want to hand out some for free on an event
2244 [15:45:56] <themill> just like «/msg dpkg tmp noexec» then ;)
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2248 [15:47:32] <babilen> Should have known that we have a factoid for it :)
2249 [15:47:49] <babilen> I probably stole my bit from dpkg ages ago and forgot about it
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2251 [15:47:54] <themill> :)
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2253 [15:48:12] <themill> We should start handing out DOIs for factoids for easy citation
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2257 [15:48:53] <lelu> Hi all, how would I go about submitting an ITP for replaced-url
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2259 [15:49:15] <babilen> dpkg: itp
2260 [15:49:15] <dpkg> Intent To Package (ITP) is a Debian <bug> filed against the <wnpp> pseudo-package, to indicate someone is working on packaging a piece of software for Debian. This is done to avoid a duplication of work.
2261 [15:49:30] * babilen learned
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2265 [15:49:58] <babilen> lelu: You'd use reportbug to file a bug against wnpp. Are you done with the packaging already or are you planning to start yet?
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2268 [15:51:05] <lelu> babilen: It's something that I am looking into. It could be that I am looking to do a request for package as I have no experience in actually packaging for debian.
2269 [15:51:11] <petn-randall> themill, babilen, while 'mount -o remount' works when /etc/fstab has the noexec set, I'd explicitely add that parameter for clarity. If for some reason /tmp is mounted exec, the first thing an unsuspecting admin might assume is that there's a bug in the script, and fix it.
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2271 [15:51:46] <petn-randall> (and might ignore the actual cause of not being mounted noexec)
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2273 [15:52:28] <babilen> lelu: Yeah, a RFP would be more appropriate in that case. It really depends on what you want to achieve. It could take a while for someone to follow up on your RFP though so if you want to see that tool in Debian it would definitely help if you were to package it yourself.
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2276 [15:53:40] <themill> petn-randall: yeah
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2278 [15:54:34] <lelu> babilen: thanks for the pointers. I will read up on how I go about doing that. It's something I looked into a few months ago and if I were to package and maintain that package myself I would need to apply to become a developer
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2281 [15:55:19] <lelu> Which means finding someone to advocate for me.
2282 [15:55:23] <babilen> lelu: The first step would be to find a mentor and sponsor -- See replaced-url
2283 [15:55:40] <lelu> ah yes, thats the page I had been reading.
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2287 [15:57:15] <lelu> thank you babilen
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2317 [16:04:32] <iLogic> petn-randall: happened again: The “grub-pc” package failed to instal into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot.
2318 [16:04:48] <petn-randall> iLogic: What error did you get?
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2320 [16:05:00] <iLogic> grub installation failed
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2322 [16:05:21] <petn-randall> iLogic: If you switch to tty8, there should be an installation log.
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2324 [16:05:36] <iLogic> googling it i saw someone having trouble with network on ubuntu having the same error: replaced-url
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2326 [16:05:47] <petn-randall> (might be another tty, just try with ctrl + alt + Fx)
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2328 [16:06:39] <petn-randall> iLogic: I'd disregard that for now, as you should have gotten a big fat warning if downloading packages failed.
2329 [16:06:40] <iLogic> when I go past the X tty they’re all blank
2330 [16:07:01] <petn-randall> iLogic: Which installer are you using?
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2332 [16:07:18] <iLogic> graphical from the live cd
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2334 [16:07:36] <petn-randall> iLogic: Ah, use the netinstaller instead. I don't think the installer from the live CD is production-ready.
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2337 [16:10:06] <iLogic> Think I’ll go with the dvd one and wifi later
2338 [16:10:21] <petn-randall> iLogic: Although the live installer should have a way to look at the logs *somwhere*. And they should show why it failed.
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2343 [16:12:25] <BinBasher> ,v mesa-utils
2344 [16:12:26] <judd> Package: mesa-utils on amd64 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; wheezy: 8.0.1-2+b3; jessie: 8.2.0-1; stretch: 8.3.0-1; sid: 8.3.0-1
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2346 [16:12:52] <iLogic> petn-randall: i’m browsing around /var/log with no success
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2350 [16:14:17] <petn-randall> iLogic: All messages should go to tty4: replaced-url
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2356 [16:16:32] <iLogic> petn-randall: apparently it doesnt apply to the graphical installer (below)
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2359 [16:17:34] <iLogic> petn-randall: i was looking into this syslog and found some wifi errors
2360 [16:17:45] <iLogic> but nothing grub related
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2363 [16:18:38] <petn-randall> iLogic: In that case, I'd try the usual installer, it should work better there. How did you prepare your installation image, by the way?
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2367 [16:19:06] <iLogic> i just dd with bs=1m
2368 [16:19:13] <iLogic> is that what you mean?
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2375 [16:20:01] <faraday_gi|53567> hiii
2376 [16:20:02] <faraday_gi|53567> all
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2380 [16:20:27] <petn-randall> iLogic: Yes, ok, that's fine. If you had used unetbootin, that sometimes causes these kinds of errors with the netinstaller.
2381 [16:20:35] <petn-randall> hi faraday_gi|53567
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2420 [16:37:20] <BinBasher> what does the ES stand for in libgles1 ?
2421 [16:37:30] <BinBasher> oh embedded systems
2422 [16:37:40] <BinBasher> sorry
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2443 [16:42:16] <jhutchins> !b43
2444 [16:42:17] <dpkg> b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. replaced-url
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2450 [16:43:28] <lelu> My laptop's wifi will happily connect to my router at home, or to my iPhone but not to my works wifi. Is there any obvious debugging I could do to find out why?
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2458 [16:45:52] <LePsy666> Hi all, I am looking for a solution to expose a stream ( made with the application "motion" on my private lan ) over the internet. I would like to do it in perl to handle some credentials before. Has anyone an idea on it ?
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2462 [16:49:02] <jhutchins> LePsy666: I know of a few different ways to broadcast audio and video streams using A/V utilities; I know of nothing that uses raw perl. I think that would be a pretty special application for a reporting language.
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2465 [16:49:08] <veek> anyone use autokey - i can't get the hotkey to work
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2468 [16:50:11] <LePsy666> jhutchins: I manage to read my stream from the host but not to redistribute properly, I'll try on irc.perl.org, maybe someone knows how to do it :/
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2483 [16:57:41] <Bushmaster> hi
2484 [16:57:54] <Bushmaster> i cant install libmjpegtool-1.9
2485 [16:58:07] <Bushmaster> anyone know how to install it
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2491 [17:00:18] <jhutchins> ,v libmjpegtools
2492 [17:00:19] <judd> No package named 'libmjpegtools' was found in amd64.
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2494 [17:00:28] <jhutchins> ,v libmjpegtools-1.9
2495 [17:00:28] <judd> No package named 'libmjpegtools-1.9' was found in amd64.
2496 [17:00:56] <jhutchins> ,v libmjpegtools-1.9
2497 [17:00:57] <judd> No package named 'libmjpegtools-1.9' was found in amd64.
2498 [17:01:01] <jhutchins> ,v libmjpegtools-2.0
2499 [17:01:02] <judd> No package named 'libmjpegtools-2.0' was found in amd64.
2500 [17:01:12] <jhutchins> ,v libmjpegtools-2
2501 [17:01:13] <judd> No package named 'libmjpegtools-2' was found in amd64.
2502 [17:01:41] <Bushmaster> its for wxCam
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2509 [17:03:13] <Bushmaster> could not manage to install it replaced-url
2510 [17:03:28] <AvatarA> isn't it libmjpegtools-dev?
2511 [17:03:48] <Bushmaster> i think tried that one, let me try again
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2513 [17:04:05] <jhutchins> Bushmaster: I show both 1.9 and 2.0 as removed but configured on my system, libmjpegutils-2.1-0 currently installed.
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2515 [17:04:32] <jhutchins> Bushmaster: Mine is an old system upgraded to jessie from etch or lenny.
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2518 [17:04:46] <Bushmaster> jhutchins, hold on
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2528 [17:07:25] <Bushmaster> jhutchins, yes this installed in my machine but it does not help installing wxCam
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2531 [17:07:52] <Bushmaster> AvatarA, when I tried to isntall the one you suggested it cant connect with my mirror which is Connecting to mirror.cc.columbia.edu (128.59.59.71)
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2534 [17:08:15] <Bushmaster> any suggestion how to connect AvatarA
2535 [17:08:16] <AvatarA> if you're compiling, you need the -dev package
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2545 [17:12:32] <AvatarA> first of all, are you compiling or installing the .deb package?
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2548 [17:13:01] <AvatarA> second, if that mirror isn't working, try another by editing your sources.list then apt-get update
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2550 [17:13:57] <BinBasher> replaced-url
2551 [17:14:58] <Bushmaster> AvatarA, installing as I download a file from wxCam website
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2555 [17:15:56] <AvatarA> well then update mirror as I said, sudo dpkg -i that package and apt-get -f if I remember right
2556 [17:16:03] <AvatarA> to download the dependencies for that .deb
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2558 [17:17:26] <jandrusk> AvatarA: Yes, apt-get -f will install missing dependencies and then the package from dpkg -i.
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2587 [17:27:39] <R0B_ROD> Ok so i got this distro and when it updated it downloads i386 packages yet inhave an amd64 how do i switch over my entire system to amd64?
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2593 [17:31:59] <sypher> R0B_ROD: did you install from the correct media (amd64 vs i386)?
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2596 [17:32:44] <R0B_ROD> its a custom distro but i see that the diff is 32 bit to 64 bit and no real harm i guess... using weakerthan linux btw
2597 [17:32:59] <sypher> R0B_ROD: I'm afraid that that's off-topic for #debian.
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2599 [17:33:11] <R0B_ROD> its based on debian buddy
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2601 [17:33:38] <Bushmaster> jandrusk, this is what I get replaced-url
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2605 [17:35:23] <awal1> Any utility, non root, for find out which process's are consuming more battery power?
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2625 [17:40:06] <zykotick9> awal1: the have root access, answer would be powertop perhaps. best of luck.
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2629 [17:41:46] <awal1> zykotick9, I meant an utility which doesn't need root privileges. I have powertop already and I use it sometimes but needs root.
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2634 [17:42:11] <awal1> I have found another utility 'pwrkap', will check it
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2673 [17:51:07] <radw62> hello
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2676 [17:51:52] <radw62> help !! I need to mount a nfsv3 volume , asap
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2679 [17:52:27] <greycat> mount -o vers=3 server:/directory /localdirectory
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2689 [17:55:07] <unborn> hi guys, how can I change icons in gnome 3 on jessie?
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2697 [17:57:05] <teraflops> install icon themes?
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2699 [17:57:13] <unborn> teraflops: yah
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2703 [17:58:07] <greycat> unborn: apt-cache search --names-only gnome theme
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2706 [17:58:26] <unborn> greycat: how about custom package?
2707 [17:58:50] <teraflops> heh I mean, you grab the icon theme and install it or just apt-get install it (if available)
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2709 [17:59:05] <unborn> replaced-url
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2712 [17:59:45] <unborn> it should be just download, extract and then change it somewhere.. but in gnome3 I cannot find it where to change those
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2725 [18:04:27] <teraflops> unborn: did you search a bit, e.g googled it? if yes what did you try?
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2730 [18:05:26] <jhutchins> unborn: Your source should have instructions on how to use/actibvate the theme.
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2744 [18:08:13] <unborn> okay now I found how to enable custom theme in gome tweak tool..
2745 [18:08:17] <sphalerite> what could cause apt to be unable to resolve httpredir.debian.org while getent hosts works fine? This is on an android kernel
2746 [18:08:30] <teraflops> no intructions there though, anyway standard gnome-shell themes procedure is iirc, create ~/.themes folder; unzip theme there and select and using gome-tweak-tool, also enabling load shell themes from user directory in extensions
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2749 [18:09:05] <_foldLeft> I'm trying to roll my own compiled php debian package, and having some trouble, it seems that when I do a dpkg-buildpackage -b the resulting .deb has only files in a /usr/share/doc/php directory, and nothing else. no binaries or anything
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2756 [18:10:40] <babilen> _foldLeft: #debian-mentors or #debian-php might be better places for that question (both on irc.debian.org aka irc.oftc.net)
2757 [18:10:48] <jhutchins> sphalerite: A typo in the sources.list?
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2759 [18:11:05] <_foldLeft> babilen: thanks, I'll check those out
2760 [18:11:10] <sphalerite> jhutchins: no, I never touched that (it was created by debootstrap)
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2762 [18:11:33] <sphalerite> jhutchins: been following these instructions: replaced-url
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2764 [18:11:54] <miskatonic> desktop systems are such a pain in the tail. I will always refrain from using them.
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2768 [18:14:19] <jhutchins> sphalerite: Just because it ws created by debootstrap doesn't mean it doesn't have an error. Could also be a bad line termination.
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2778 [18:17:51] <sphalerite> jhutchins: surely if debootstrap can download it fine there's not going to be an issue in the sources.list? Anyway, I checked, it looks fine
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2785 [18:19:17] <tripkin> Hello, I am having a permissions problem with my apache configuration on a vhost. I have put the vhost conf file here: replaced-url
2786 [18:19:17] <tripkin> to launch index.php, setup.php, or any other docs I get a 403 Forbidden message. Can anyone help? Please?
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2801 [18:24:23] <teraflops> tripkin: sorry I cannot see the paste
2802 [18:24:57] <tripkin> teraflops, sorry. I will put it up again.
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2807 [18:25:43] <tripkin> teraflops, here it is replaced-url
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2815 [18:27:14] <teraflops> youre using virtualmin?
2816 [18:27:21] <tripkin> Yes
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2818 [18:27:49] <tripkin> And example.com is a real site on my lan.
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2821 [18:28:23] <teraflops> and the cgi at /home ?
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2825 [18:29:06] <jhutchins> tripkin: Permissions, AllowExec.
2826 [18:29:12] <teraflops> tripkin: you mean ping cal.example.com works?
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2830 [18:29:25] <tripkin> Yes, ping works.
2831 [18:29:28] <teraflops> ok
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2833 [18:29:39] <tripkin> The cgi is at /home...
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2835 [18:30:01] <tripkin> Thanks, jhutchins, I will put that in and try it again.
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2837 [18:30:48] <teraflops> take a look at /var/log/virtualmin/cal.example.com_access_log too while accessing the site
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2841 [18:31:11] <teraflops> .. and the error log
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2844 [18:32:24] <LunaLovegood> Anyone knows how I can bind the XF86Back and XF86Forward keys to previous/next window in GNU Screen? I'm using xfce4-terminal if that matters.
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2847 [18:33:47] <greycat> Off hand, I'd guess you need to bind something at the terminal level which translates those X key syms into byte sequences.
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2849 [18:35:49] <teraflops> well, I do not understand the question
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2855 [18:37:23] <teraflops> oh my, I need more coffee
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2857 [18:38:32] <afernandez_> What is the file i need to edit to boot the system in certain run level if i am using sysv: /sbin/init?
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2859 [18:39:22] <greycat> If you want to make a PERMANENT change, /etc/inittab
2860 [18:39:41] <greycat> If you just want to boot differently one time, usually you pass an argument on the kernel command line through grub.
2861 [18:40:08] <afernandez_> Greycat
2862 [18:40:13] <greycat> All that said, Debian does not differntiate between run levels 2-5 (in wheezy and earlier) by default. Changing run level means nothing unless you have configured it to do so.
2863 [18:40:29] <afernandez_> $ dpkg -S /sbin/init
2864 [18:40:30] <afernandez_> systemd-sysv: /sbin/init
2865 [18:40:56] <afernandez_> I do not have that /etc/inittab file
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2867 [18:41:20] <greycat> So you're in jessie and not actually using sysvinit?
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2874 [18:42:03] <afernandez_> -a3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
2875 [18:42:19] <greycat> You are using jessie and systemd. You are not using sysvinit except in legacy fallback/support mode.
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2877 [18:42:22] <greycat> You have no run levels.
2878 [18:42:51] <greycat> What are you actually trying to do?
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2880 [18:43:14] <afernandez_> well ZI just wanted to know what is the file to edit when you do not have /etc/inittab
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2882 [18:43:30] <greycat> It's not that simple. There ARE NO run levels any more. They don't exist.
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2886 [18:43:48] <afernandez_> Oh OK
2887 [18:43:49] <greycat> There is no single central file for systemd behavior. It uses lots of files spread across several dirs.
2888 [18:43:50] <afernandez_> Thanks
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2900 [18:50:24] <tripkin> teraflops, right now there are no messages showing up in access or error logs for cal.example.com but the apache error log shows: [Mon Jul 11 10:49:43.564878 2016] [core:trace5] [pid 18990] protocol.c(618): [client 192.168.2.190:60387] Request received from client: GET / HTTP/1.1
2901 [18:50:24] <tripkin> [Mon Jul 11 10:49:43.566137 2016] [core:trace6] [pid 18990] core_filters.c(527): [client 192.168.2.190:60387] core_output_filter: flushing because of FLUSH bucket
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2904 [18:51:57] <tripkin> jhutchins, where would I put the "Permissions,AllowExec"? Use the "Options" directive? I am having troubles finding that phrase.
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2911 [18:56:50] <teraflops> tripkin: I have no idea about those message to be honest
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2927 [18:59:52] <tripkin> teraflops, no problem. The end result is that I am not getting any messages in the vhost logs. I have the LogLevel at trace8 as well. Also, /usr/share is set to "Require all granted"
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2930 [19:00:37] <tripkin> I am just not seeing why I cannot execute the php. jhutchins had an idea, but I do not know how to implement that.
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2934 [19:01:18] <tripkin> I have tried in #httpd, but they were unable to help, either.
2935 [19:01:45] <mtndew> if I have something that's a tarball and NOT a dpkg yet and I'd like to build a custom deb for someone, would the following URL be the best place for documentation on it? there seems to be a lot ofplaces talking about a wide variety of tools
2936 [19:01:53] <mtndew> replaced-url
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2949 [19:06:16] <jhutchins> tripkin: I would have to look up the correct syntax in the Apache docs, but by permissions I mean check that the target folder has the correct permissions for Apache to access it.
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2951 [19:06:56] <jhutchins> tripkin: As for AllowExec, that may be an older syntax too, basically you have to enable code execution for the directory the scripts are in.
2952 [19:07:17] <jhutchins> tripkin: There are several ways to do this in 2.2, I'm not sure what all the options are for 2.4.
2953 [19:07:38] <tripkin> jhutchins, that makes sense. I just checked the permissions and they are all set correctly.
2954 [19:07:50] <jhutchins> tripkin: I always keep this at hand when I'm working on a site: replaced-url
2955 [19:07:53] <tripkin> So ExecCGI might be the command I want, then
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2957 [19:08:08] <jhutchins> tripkin: Yes, that's the other one I was thinking of.
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2960 [19:09:00] <tripkin> Yes, I keep that and replaced-url
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2988 [19:18:07] <wsky> is there a possibility for the debian project to pay for debian disks that are supposed to be handed out for free in a promotional action
2989 [19:18:10] <wsky> ?
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2992 [19:19:26] <wsky> sorta like ubuntu did but in smaller scale
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2997 [19:22:17] <fennesz> Hello ! I am getting this error : replaced-url
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3000 [19:22:51] <T4ng10r> hi
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3011 [19:25:36] <tripkin> jhutchins, teraflops, somewhere along the way I have disabled access the the htdocs/images files. LOL ExecCGI didn't make any difference.
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3017 [19:27:08] <jhutchins> tripkin: Typically I would expect meaningful output in /var/log/apache/error.log
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3019 [19:27:20] <jhutchins> apache2?
3020 [19:27:30] <tripkin> Yes, 2.4
3021 [19:27:42] <tripkin> I am running Debian 8.5
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3025 [19:28:08] <jhutchins> tri tripkin I mean /var/log/apache2/error.log
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3037 [19:31:32] <teraflops> tripkin: well at least you figured it out
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3042 [19:35:03] <tripkin> Yes. Turns out I was looking at the wrong logs, before. There is info in them, I have pasted them here: replaced-url
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3045 [19:35:38] <tripkin> teraflops, yeah, now I cannot even see the images in the htdocs/images folder.
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3047 [19:36:25] <tripkin> jhutchins, teraflops, if you can make anything out of the correct logs I just posted, that would be awesome.
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3049 [19:37:16] <teraflops> tripkin: so you can access but no images?
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3055 [19:38:13] <tripkin> teraflops, no. I get the 403 there as well. I am going to post up my vhost conf again - I cannot see where I have blocked them. I have removed the ExecCGI as well.
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3057 [19:39:05] <tripkin> Here is the updated cal.example.com.conf replaced-url
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3075 [19:41:42] <t4nk964> hey guys, have a usb headset that made my life a nightmare, do any of you have some free time to help me with this. thanks
3076 [19:41:43] <wsky> i will ask again and for the final time
3077 [19:41:43] <teraflops> tripkin: well 403 is forbiden.
3078 [19:41:56] <tripkin> Yes.
3079 [19:42:20] <wsky> is it possible for the debian project to finance debian cds with imprinting and an envelope for a promotional action
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3082 [19:42:24] <teraflops> tripkin: also what are you using as source of information?
3083 [19:42:24] <tripkin> teraflops, I don't think it should be. Somewhere I have missed something.
3084 [19:42:42] <wsky> god damn whenever i ask something other people start talking, i guess it's mailing list time
3085 [19:42:47] <teraflops> tripkin: replaced-url
3086 [19:43:41] <tripkin> replaced-url
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3088 [19:44:48] <teraflops> tripkin: but youre under debian, it's just your vhost is way different from the one here replaced-url
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3093 [19:45:52] <tripkin> teraflops, I am also running virtualmin, so I am trying to keep stuff that I think is related to that. I can try the example one provided. I will do it right now and let you know if it works...
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3096 [19:46:08] <teraflops> sure
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3099 [19:47:10] <mtndew> why in 2016 would you run webmin/virtualmin?
3100 [19:47:16] <mtndew> that's very antiquated
3101 [19:47:35] <johnkeates> ah, mountain dew, corrosive as ever
3102 [19:47:40] * johnkeates made a pun
3103 [19:47:56] <greycat> !webmin
3104 [19:47:56] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
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3106 [19:48:04] <mtndew> well, I didn't mean it like that, but there are better tools for the job today
3107 [19:48:06] <johnkeates> also, most people using webmin/virtualmin use it because once they installed it they just keep using it
3108 [19:48:09] <johnkeates> yeah
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3110 [19:48:21] <gregc2> We run webmin for people to have a nice place to enter dhcp reserved addresses.
3111 [19:48:36] <H4ndy> lol, I used webmin like 10 years ago the last time
3112 [19:48:43] <H4ndy> and it was already shitty back then
3113 [19:48:45] <johnkeates> I used it on OSX the last time i installed it
3114 [19:48:48] <H4ndy> sorry, language+
3115 [19:48:51] <johnkeates> hehe
3116 [19:48:53] <mtndew> I used it in the sarge days :P
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3118 [19:48:59] <johnkeates> yeah, sounds about right
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3121 [19:49:27] <johnkeates> oh well, after I implemented configuration management using proper tools I haven't touched those wacky web tools
3122 [19:49:30] <H4ndy> there is much better stuff now depending on what you need like froxlor or ajenti
3123 [19:49:33] <teraflops> mtndew: well I bit my tongue about virtualmin but youre right
3124 [19:49:34] * mtndew goes back to trying to build .deb packages
3125 [19:49:34] <johnkeates> everything is in SaltStack
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3128 [19:49:52] <mtndew> johnkeates: well, that could start a religious war of its own
3129 [19:49:57] <johnkeates> true
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3131 [19:50:05] <mtndew> johnkeates: I've yet to use salt, but I've used chef and puppet quite a bit
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3133 [19:50:07] <johnkeates> but SaltStack/Puppet/CFengine/Chef etc, it doesn't really matter
3134 [19:50:18] <johnkeates> as long as a proper system is implemented
3135 [19:50:21] <mtndew> either way, I'd say any of those options in place of *min
3136 [19:50:30] <teraflops> !webmin
3137 [19:50:30] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
3138 [19:50:31] <johnkeates> I see it more in the ISO20k/ITIL3 way; just having any of them is better than the alternative
3139 [19:50:34] <mtndew> been meaning to learn salt, but I hate python
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3141 [19:50:39] <johnkeates> haha yeah
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3144 [19:50:43] <johnkeates> I started out that way too
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3147 [19:50:49] <johnkeates> but coming from puppet, salt is a breeze
3148 [19:50:57] <mtndew> you think so?
3149 [19:50:59] <johnkeates> the community is also really nice and open
3150 [19:51:02] <johnkeates> yeah
3151 [19:51:09] <mtndew> I started heavily with puppet and got deep into chef for a job
3152 [19:51:12] <johnkeates> most of the time you won't even be touching python, just yaml
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3154 [19:51:17] <mtndew> hmm
3155 [19:51:43] <johnkeates> it also forces you do make better choices, as static data, shared data, compile-time constants etc are very strictly implemented
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3157 [19:51:56] <johnkeates> so you don't get those dirty cross-dependencies and hacks
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3161 [19:52:30] <johnkeates> also, execution order and execution dependencies are really well worked out, so you always know when and why a desired state will be reached
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3163 [19:52:37] <tripkin> teraflops, jhutchins, thank you for your help. Turns out that using the provided example did work. Lesson learned: follow the instructions *EXACTLY*, then troubleshoot from there instead of creating problems before I even get going. It is a hard lesson, and I hope you don't feel you wasted your time. <hangs head in shame>
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3165 [19:52:48] <johnkeates> instead of the 'it may be configured too early, or too late, or in conflict with something else'
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3167 [19:53:32] <johnkeates> but since I have more of a background in software engineering than ops, I may have a different view on what's proper and easy than others :p
3168 [19:53:52] <mtndew> that's one of the mostly better things about chef as well
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3170 [19:54:06] <johnkeates> yeah, chef would be my other choice
3171 [19:54:12] <mtndew> although manipulation of data at runtime and attribute precedence are ridiculous in chef
3172 [19:54:16] <johnkeates> true
3173 [19:54:35] <mtndew> still better than webmin lol
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3175 [19:54:45] <johnkeates> the community seems divided as well, where with salt everyone is 'together' instead of 'enterprise' vs. 'home'
3176 [19:54:50] <johnkeates> true ;-)
3177 [19:55:05] <johnkeates> well, it's also better than the stuff Fedora builds into their server distros and Ubuntu with their landscape
3178 [19:55:14] <johnkeates> they all try hard, but none of it really encompasses it all
3179 [19:55:34] <johnkeates> and the Debian support in Salt is really good too
3180 [19:55:43] <johnkeates> as an added bonus :p
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3184 [19:58:03] <teraflops> tripkin: well glad you solved it
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3188 [19:59:06] <tripkin> So am I. Now I have another problem with it, but for that I will lurk on the davical channel. Your help and patience is greatly appreciated.
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3225 [20:12:14] <shadows> raspberry pi libre bootcode.bin replacement needs a linux loader, anyone want to do this work?
3226 [20:12:58] <shadows> the author of the bootcode.bin replacement has become too busy to add any new features
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3229 [20:14:58] <T4ng10r> Hi, when I run TeamViz or i;e. eclipse installer I find 'Vector smash protection is enabled'
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3231 [20:15:11] <T4ng10r> however the same run as other user - don't
3232 [20:15:30] <T4ng10r> can you help me identify where and what may trigger this behaviour?
3233 [20:16:06] <greycat> there is an #eclipse channel. maybe they know?
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3235 [20:16:24] <sphalerite> Is there a way to make an interface optional, so I can run ifup <if> whenever but networking.service won't be considered failed if the interface can't be brought up at boot?
3236 [20:16:45] <mtndew> if I want to build a package to explicitly install to /usr/local, is that not possible on debian?
3237 [20:17:34] <sphalerite> mtndew: should be possible, but why would you want to do that?
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3242 [20:18:24] <mtndew> because it's not system software, I'm building a custom package, and I'd like it to be totally separate, and I prefer the BSD approach of /usr/local containing all that stuff
3243 [20:18:36] <mtndew> you can wipe out /usr/local on any BSD and be totally fine
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3247 [20:19:18] <greycat> /opt is probably more common for third-party packages that don't want to touch /usr for whatever reason, but you can make your package put files anywhere.
3248 [20:19:38] <shadows> mtndew: you are using package manager... so this sounds confused
3249 [20:19:46] <sphalerite> mtndew: but if you're making a package then you shouldn't wipe out wherever you installed it
3250 [20:19:46] <shadows> let package manager do it?
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3252 [20:20:19] <jelly> it's possible alright
3253 [20:20:20] <mtndew> trying to build the package but having issues
3254 [20:20:25] <jelly> !ask
3255 [20:20:25] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
3256 [20:20:40] <leba2> Is it actually best practice to leave RTC clock to UTC? Even if dualbooting with, say, Windows?
3257 [20:20:48] <jhutchins> sphalerite: That would've been covered by "allow hotplug" in the pre-systemd universe. not sur if that still works.
3258 [20:21:02] <jelly> leba2: it's best practice not to dualboot? :-)
3259 [20:21:10] <sphalerite> jhutchins: it doesn't, I have it in the config but it doesn't seem to do anything :/
3260 [20:21:11] <jhutchins> leba2: There are a few good reasons for doing it that way. You can fix windows.
3261 [20:21:30] <jelly> leba2: if your other OS expects localtime in RTC, it may be easier to leave it that way
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3265 [20:21:52] <jelly> in other words, it's simpler to fix debian than to fix windows
3266 [20:21:53] <leba2> Don't think I came here without previously reading, though.
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3268 [20:21:57] <jhutchins> sphalerite: In a way, networking.services failing is appropriate, because anything that relies on it should not try to start.
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3272 [20:22:26] <leba2> Well, I already read it's still possible to fix Windows in a realtively easy way.
3273 [20:22:41] <leba2> I think it was a regedit thing...
3274 [20:22:41] <sphalerite> jhutchins: actually, no, I'm not sure if that's right. It's not failing because the link can't be brought up, it's failing because the interface doesn't exist. Not sure if that would have been covered by allow-hotplug even before systemd?
3275 [20:22:46] <jhutchins> leba2: If it's a single user system in a fixed location, the only thing you have to worry about is dealing with locations in other parts of the world.
3276 [20:22:47] <mtndew> when I run debbuild on my package I'm trying to build, I get over 6200 lines of errors....
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3278 [20:23:04] <jhutchins> sphalerite: Probably not.
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3281 [20:23:35] <sphalerite> right, that explains it. Should I not be using debian's config for the interface if it won't always be present then?
3282 [20:23:36] <jhutchins> mtndew: The existance or number of errors is meaningless. What they say is what matters. Start at the top.
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3287 [20:24:45] <mtndew> dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to
3288 [20:24:52] <jelly> !paste
3289 [20:24:53] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
3290 [20:25:03] <mtndew> then a filepath
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3292 [20:25:12] <mtndew> complaining about a symlink in a tarball
3293 [20:25:22] <leba2> jelly, jhutchins: I'm still trying to understand 100% this article replaced-url
3294 [20:25:34] <jelly> mtndew: can you show the whole thing, and your debian/* setup?
3295 [20:25:39] <greycat> leba2: read "man hwclock" and ignore the tldp site?
3296 [20:25:47] <mtndew> jelly: I can't, it's proprietary
3297 [20:26:00] <jelly> mtndew: you can't show the output?
3298 [20:26:21] <mtndew> I can tell you errors sans filenames/filepaths
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3301 [20:26:51] <jelly> sorry, no I'm not interested in providing free help based on munged information
3302 [20:26:53] <mtndew> the first section of errors is complaining about symlinks in the source tarball and how the old version doesn't exist
3303 [20:27:03] <jelly> perhaps someone else may care more
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3305 [20:27:18] <greycat> HE COULD TELL YOU HIS FILENAMES BUT THEN HE WOULD HAVE TO KILL YOU
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3307 [20:27:39] <jelly> greycat: for $200/hr I can sign a NDA and look at the logs.
3308 [20:27:40] <shadows> greycat: never seen you capslock before. you okay over there?
3309 [20:27:54] <T4ng10r> In env I found PATH and part of this path as variable name: like usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games=
3310 [20:28:04] <mtndew> lol @ $200/hr
3311 [20:28:06] <T4ng10r> how come? where this could be set ...
3312 [20:28:16] <greycat> T4ng10r: /etc/profile and other places
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3314 [20:28:22] <T4ng10r> ok
3315 [20:28:23] <jelly> too cheap, I know...
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3318 [20:29:29] <leba2> Is tldp site that bad?
3319 [20:29:45] <leba2> I did try to read man hwclock, but found I needed more information befoerhand
3320 [20:29:47] <greycat> You tell me. Did you understand the man page?
3321 [20:30:21] <leba2> Man page hardly. Tldp site, more easily...
3322 [20:30:35] <greycat> Really?
3323 [20:30:47] <socomm> leba2: I'm not sure if the tldp is actively maintained.
3324 [20:30:54] <leba2> ^ Ah
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3326 [20:31:02] <leba2> Ok, will take into account
3327 [20:31:04] <greycat> Now bear in mind, when I say "man hwclock" I mean skip down to the section header "NOTES". Just read that. Ignore all of the crap above it.
3328 [20:31:12] <leba2> Will try again man page
3329 [20:31:13] <greycat> Like you were told to do last week.
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3331 [20:31:39] <leba2> Then I'll try fight my stupidity and try once more. Thanks.
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3337 [20:34:29] <T4ng10r> /etc/profile isn't a place to search - as second user doesn't have this strange variable '/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games='
3338 [20:34:37] <jhutchins> Not that clock systems have change much in 20 years, with the exception of systemd adding a new layer.
3339 [20:35:02] <greycat> T4ng10r: you're saying that's the VARIABLE NAME, not the variable CONTENT?
3340 [20:35:20] <T4ng10r> yes
3341 [20:35:21] <jhutchins> Info at replaced-url
3342 [20:35:28] <T4ng10r> this is VARIABLE name
3343 [20:35:37] <jhutchins> TLDP does tend to be RH oriented.
3344 [20:35:47] <greycat> T4ng10r: Ok, well, it still looks like someone attempted to set PATH and fucked up. So check all of the files that are read in by the affected user's login.
3345 [20:35:47] <T4ng10r> I commented out whole bashrc - and it still appears
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3347 [20:36:03] <greycat> bashrc is not the only file
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3350 [20:36:31] <greycat> Start by figuring out how they login, and look at EVERY file that this kind of login reads. Good luck. Most of it is undocumented, if you're dealing with a GUI.
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3352 [20:37:27] <T4ng10r> yes, however - i dont know where else to search, .profile is ok. .bashrc is ok
3353 [20:37:35] <greycat> HOW DO THEY LOG IN
3354 [20:37:42] <T4ng10r> and system wide settings are not a problem as second user is not affected
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3360 [20:38:30] <T4ng10r> I log into i3 through lightdm
3361 [20:38:36] <greycat> One of these days when I have nothing else to do, I need to install a fucking GUI and reverse engineer it and DOCUMENT the fucker.
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3363 [20:38:57] <greycat> Because the status quo is completely unacceptable.
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3366 [20:39:17] <MightyMooze> greycat: whats your beef?
3367 [20:39:41] <greycat> MightyMooze: read "man lightdm" and then tell me (and tell T4ng10r) what files he should be reading to find his errant environment variable.
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3371 [20:40:55] <MightyMooze> greycat: oh ya, no thanks.
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3374 [20:42:46] <greycat> T4ng10r: various web sites that I have found over the last few months indicate that one SOME operating systems under SOME conditions lightdm login sessions will read ~/.xsession but I have not found any DOCUMENTATION to corroborate these web sites
3375 [20:42:57] <T4ng10r> /etc/lightdm/ has some entries
3376 [20:43:09] <greycat> system-wide stuff is irrelevant as you already noted
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3378 [20:43:24] <T4ng10r> interesting POI - I'll check this xsession
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3381 [20:44:24] <T4ng10r> .xsession-errors contain some interesting facts
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3384 [20:45:29] <T4ng10r> dbus-update-activation-environment: setting PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games - which fitts to strange var name
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3386 [20:46:35] <greycat> ... did you mess around with systemctl --user?
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3389 [20:47:05] <T4ng10r> hmm, yes
3390 [20:47:49] <greycat> well, that's where I'd focus
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3392 [20:48:15] <T4ng10r> how ever - ther I place some items with only DISPLAY env set
3393 [20:48:21] <T4ng10r> but I'll check it
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3400 [20:50:40] <mauke> how do I get a perl module officially into debian? would I have to find (or become) a package maintainer first?
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3403 [20:51:14] <greycat> !sponsor
3404 [20:51:14] <dpkg> sponsor is probably a DD that uploads a package prepared by a maintainer that is not (yet) a DD, therefore trusting, verifying (hopefully) and accepting responsibility for the maintainer's work. See replaced-url
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3407 [20:52:14] <mauke> is that a yes?
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3412 [20:54:23] <mauke> !DD
3413 [20:54:23] <dpkg> it has been said that dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. <pv>
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3418 [20:57:05] <T4ng10r> ok, lest try restart
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3420 [20:58:01] <greycat> Of course in this context we're talking about Debian Developers, not dd(1).
3421 [20:58:33] <mauke> I don't understand
3422 [20:59:33] <greycat> You need to find a Debian Developer to sponsor your package.
3423 [20:59:42] <mauke> I don't have a package
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3425 [20:59:48] <greycat> ...
3426 [20:59:51] <mauke> I don't even use debian
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3428 [20:59:56] <johnkeates> you are in #debian
3429 [20:59:56] <greycat> *plonk*
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3431 [21:00:33] <mauke> I'm a software author and I'm curious what it would take to allow my users to install my software with apt-get
3432 [21:00:56] <mauke> i.e. what's the official process?
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3434 [21:02:41] <vook> mauke: see the above link under !sponsor
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3437 [21:02:52] <mauke> I did, but I don't see how it applies
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3440 [21:03:16] <vook> look harder
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3442 [21:03:32] <T4ng10r> still no success - it looks like export $PATH= was used instead of export PATH
3443 [21:03:35] <mauke> I'm not a (novice) maintainer
3444 [21:03:36] <T4ng10r> but I can't find it
3445 [21:03:50] <mauke> I'm not a new developer
3446 [21:03:55] <mauke> I don't know what a Debian Developer is
3447 [21:04:11] <mauke> I don't have a package ready for inclusion
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3451 [21:05:42] <mauke> greycat: btw, that was pretty rude
3452 [21:05:49] <mtndew> mauke: basically you either have to go through an internship period to get rights to maintain a package and then package it yourself, or find someone with rights to package who wants to adopt your package per se, even though it doesn't exist, and make the package and work with you to keep it synced
3453 [21:06:31] <mtndew> so you could find someone who is a debian developer to hand off your source to by some means and explain where it gets installed to and what it does and have them build a deb package
3454 [21:06:54] <T4ng10r> BTW - is there a way so 'less' would retain colors from grep search?
3455 [21:07:06] <mauke> the explaining part is easy: it's a perl module, so it works like all other perl modules
3456 [21:07:06] <mtndew> no
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3459 [21:07:30] <mtndew> mauke: so you might want to name your tarball in the name of debian conventions for perl modules
3460 [21:07:32] <mauke> T4ng10r: grep --color=always
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3463 [21:07:42] <mtndew> mauke: that won't preserve it thrlough less though
3464 [21:07:47] <mtndew> that's less stripping it out
3465 [21:07:52] <mauke> less -R
3466 [21:08:00] <T4ng10r> thank you
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3468 [21:08:06] <T4ng10r> both of you
3469 [21:08:08] <mauke> and I have -R in my $LESS
3470 [21:08:15] <T4ng10r> grep -colors | less -R
3471 [21:08:20] <T4ng10r> grep withouth colors didn't work
3472 [21:08:48] <mauke> mtndew: ok, thanks
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3476 [21:09:31] <mtndew> I'll be damned I didn't realize if you did color=always and less -R it would work
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3478 [21:11:53] <mauke> I don't name my tarball; ExtUtils::MakeMaker does that for me
3479 [21:13:03] <mtndew> so, example
3480 [21:13:04] <mtndew> libxml-nodefilter-perl - Perl module for a generic node-filter class for DOM traversal
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3483 [21:13:49] <mauke> inb4 liblibreplaced-url
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3487 [21:16:18] <mtndew> liblib?
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3490 [21:17:20] <mauke> the distribution is called libreplaced-url
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3504 [21:22:21] <frikinz> well, there's already liblibrary... replaced-url
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3509 [21:24:38] <Coolternet> une personne parle francais ici ?
3510 [21:24:50] <frikinz> and dozens perl-perl :)
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3513 [21:25:04] <frikinz> Coolternet: oui. et il y a aussi #debian-fr
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3515 [21:25:30] <Coolternet> Merci :(
3516 [21:25:33] <Coolternet> Merci :)
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3544 [21:37:37] <choice> What is an easy way to record audio in debian?
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3554 [21:40:37] <Jeffrey01> Hi
3555 [21:40:44] <unborn> choice: gnome recorder or audacity
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3557 [21:41:17] <unborn> *gnome recorder i mean sound recorder
3558 [21:41:19] <choice> unborn: whats the name of the gnome recorder application?
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3562 [21:41:39] <choice> neither soundrecorder nor sound-recorder exist.
3563 [21:41:45] <Jeffrey01> Has anyone of here used pcsc-tools?
3564 [21:41:48] <choice> there is something called arecord.
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3568 [21:42:38] <unborn> choice: it does.. if not install it via synap
3569 [21:42:50] <unborn> here is package info replaced-url
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3581 [21:45:22] <unborn> sound recorder 3.14.0.1
3582 [21:45:59] <choice> unborn: thanks. i installed audacity now. it took like a gazillion gigabytes, but it works :)
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3586 [21:46:29] <unborn> choice: its great tool for sound manipulation/recording
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3594 [21:47:28] <choice> ok :)
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3597 [21:48:20] <jhutchins> choice: Be very careful about applying advice for Debian to Ubuntu systems - they are different distributions, with different packages compiled with different patches and options.
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3605 [21:51:18] <choice> jhutchins: well, it worked :)
3606 [21:51:28] <choice> im on mint though.
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3613 [21:53:33] <jhutchins> choice: So you're running mint, and crossposting questions to Debian and Ubuntu - all of which are different systems.
3614 [21:53:33] <babilen> choice: You might want to seek support in #linmuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org then as #debian only support Debian and Debian users for a number of technical and social reasons
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3616 [21:53:40] <jhutchins> ChrisH: Good luck with that.
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3621 [21:54:10] <jhutchins> babilen: Looks like he ran.
3622 [21:54:25] <greycat> there is also ##linuxmint on this network
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3628 [21:58:49] <Iridos> is there a player well suited to sort through and delete audio files?
3629 [21:59:16] <jhutchins> Iridos: Like something with a built-in browser?
3630 [21:59:28] <sm00th> why not just use the file browser?
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3632 [21:59:32] <greycat> Deleting audio files is rare enough that I have no problem just using rm.
3633 [21:59:42] <Iridos> like ... in feh I can hit del and delete the picture I'm seeing
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3635 [21:59:49] <jhutchins> Disk space is cheap, why delete anything?
3636 [21:59:55] <sm00th> Iridos, i like banshee for large music library I guess.
3637 [22:00:03] <sm00th> add all your audio files to it I guess
3638 [22:00:23] <unborn> rhytmbox is fine
3639 [22:00:31] <Iridos> maybe I should just delete it all...
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3641 [22:00:44] <sm00th> rhythmox aint bad. just can't add multiple folders at once.
3642 [22:00:51] <teraflops> Iridos: ncmpcpp can
3643 [22:00:57] <teraflops> allow_physical_file_deletion = "yes"
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3645 [22:01:16] <TomTomTosch> clementine seems popular.
3646 [22:01:33] <Iridos> but maybe file browser really is the simple solution and I was overthinking it :P
3647 [22:01:44] <sm00th> banshee is best imo, rhythmbox aint bad either.
3648 [22:01:51] <sm00th> debian kde has juk as default, which I dont' like lol
3649 [22:02:04] <Iridos> lxde has pcmanfm
3650 [22:02:14] <sm00th> Iridos, lol
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3652 [22:02:22] <Iridos> and I think I don't really like any file browser, which is why that didn't occur to me
3653 [22:02:34] <Iridos> thanks, will try a bunch
3654 [22:02:35] <teraflops> xD
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3658 [22:02:52] <Iridos> it's 8G of aacs and about a 1000 files
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3662 [22:04:25] <jhutchins> clementine is what I was trying to think of. The old kde 3.5 music program was pretty great for doing stuff like that.
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3664 [22:05:06] <Iridos> ok, looking at that, too
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3666 [22:05:25] <Iridos> thanks
3667 [22:05:47] <sm00th> jhutchins, amarok was the worst ever constantly crashing when adding big library or trying to shuffle big playlist. or just randomly lol
3668 [22:05:54] <sm00th> ubuntu kde still has it as default.
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3671 [22:07:10] <jhutchins> sm00th: WOrked great for me - in 3.5. Completely hosed (like most of KDE) in 4.x
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3679 [22:09:45] <jhutchins> In fact, loosing the convenience and functions of amarok is one of the things that pushed me to streaming instead of playing my own stuff.
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3708 [22:24:25] <antena-cli> My Nautilus is moving files to my USB stick instead of copying it. How to fix that issue?
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3711 [22:26:52] <jhutchins> antena-cli: shift click? Use the CLI.
3712 [22:27:01] <LtL> antena-cli: cp them back then figure out why nautilus did that.
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3723 [22:32:56] <radw62> hello, somebody can help me for mout a nfsv3 share
3724 [22:33:15] <greycat> As I told you before, mount -o vers=3 server:/directory /localdir
3725 [22:33:16] <jhutchins> radw62: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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3733 [22:37:22] <radw62> greycat: I did that, but dont worked: returns "mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Authentication error"
3734 [22:37:57] <radw62> jhutchins: I try to mount a nfsv3 share to a freenfs server (runnin in win7)
3735 [22:38:06] <greycat> *sigh*
3736 [22:38:22] <radw62> freenfs dont need any authentication
3737 [22:38:25] <greycat> So the client is Windows using some third party software? We can't help much with that.
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3739 [22:38:55] <greycat> Does it work between two Debian systems?
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3742 [22:39:39] <greycat> Is there anything useful logged on the Debian system? Perhaps your /etc/exports is wrong.
3743 [22:39:58] <greycat> (Is the server even running Debian at all?)
3744 [22:40:51] <radw62> greycat: I can mount a nfs volume to the freenfs server in other clients (i.e vmware esxi )
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3746 [22:41:36] <greycat> Fuck, the **SERVER** is Windows?!?
3747 [22:41:39] <radw62> I dont understand why it dont work, when debian is the client,
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3756 [22:44:22] <MightyMooze> how do I install vboxdrv on debian?
3757 [22:45:22] <MightyMooze> or do I just need to add it to /etc/modules?
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3762 [22:47:07] <mtn> MightyMooze: debian does it for you when it installs vbox
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3777 [22:57:39] <sm00th> debian was made by an American.
3778 [22:57:44] <sm00th> remember that.
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3780 [22:58:36] <iLogic> hey guys, i have a fresh debian 8.5 install and apt-get update hangs forever.. i’ve tried cleaning apt lists, cache, apt-get clean all, new sources.. nothing works
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3782 [22:59:18] <sm00th> iLogic, replaced-url
3783 [22:59:18] <greycat> How long is "forever", at what point does it "hang", and how much memory is in the computer?
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3786 [22:59:42] <sm00th> replaced-url
3787 [22:59:56] <markybob> sm00th: ian murdock was born in west germany...but okay
3788 [23:00:09] <iLogic> should i stick with aptitude instead of apt-get?
3789 [23:00:12] <sm00th> markybob, he was an american citizen.
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3791 [23:00:15] <sm00th> so okay.
3792 [23:00:27] <sm00th> His parents were from Indiana, so ok.
3793 [23:00:33] <markybob> sm00th: apparently #debian-oftopic was made for you
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3795 [23:00:47] <sm00th> markybob, they just banned cause I'm pro american.
3796 [23:00:50] <teraflops> markybob: xD
3797 [23:00:52] <johnkeates> sm00th: Debian is as much American-made as America itself: it's not, the rest of the world and mostly Europe 'made' America
3798 [23:00:55] <sm00th> so okay.
3799 [23:00:58] <greycat> So you're looknig for more bans?
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3801 [23:01:22] <sm00th> sm00th, debian is american made
3802 [23:01:26] <sm00th> greycat, sure ban away....
3803 [23:01:36] <sm00th> johnkeates, debian is american made.
3804 [23:01:42] <sm00th> johnkeates, so is the internet in general.
3805 [23:01:43] <johnkeates> sm00th: nope
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3807 [23:01:50] <sm00th> johnkeates, yep.
3808 [23:01:50] <johnkeates> sm00th: nope
3809 [23:01:53] <sm00th> johnkeates, america owns you
3810 [23:01:54] <johnkeates> sm00th: nope
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3813 [23:02:19] <teraflops> ok im going to exercise my right to ignore you
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3815 [23:02:53] <johnkeates> i think smooth isn't as smooth as he thinks he is
3816 [23:02:58] <greycat> Please drop it.
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3836 [23:11:12] <unborn> :D
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3840 [23:12:41] <unborn> I usually use quietly ignore which works.. btw I aint seen those annoying plains today yet ;)
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3897 [23:38:16] <gryffus> how do i report bug in a package without reportbug program? I don't have debian machine here
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3900 [23:39:57] <babilen> gryffus: Just send a suitably formatted email to submit@bugs.debian.org -- See replaced-url
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3904 [23:41:24] <themill> What sort of bug are you reporting?
3905 [23:41:41] <gryffus> babilen: ok
3906 [23:41:46] <gryffus> themill: a typo in docs
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3909 [23:41:57] <gryffus> themill: but major one
3910 [23:41:59] <[SERB]> hello
3911 [23:42:16] <babilen> gryffus: A major typu?
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3913 [23:43:34] <themill> "docs" is pretty vague
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3916 [23:44:29] <gryffus> This file: replaced-url
3917 [23:44:56] <gryffus> so there is a typo in dropbear-initramfs.NEWS
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3921 [23:46:09] <johnkeates> aren't they symlinked?
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3924 [23:48:57] <gryffus> No
3925 [23:49:08] <gryffus> the bug was introduced with this commit: replaced-url
3926 [23:49:16] <gryffus> it can be seen there that it's a typo
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3930 [23:50:38] <gryffus> the typo is in debian/changelog and debian/dropbear-initramfs.NEWS .
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3937 [23:53:51] <gryffus> The files were moved from /etc/initramfs-tools/etc/dropbear to /etc/dropbear-initramfs and not to /etc/initramfs-tools as is stated in the docs. Also the docs are saying that the location has changed to move hostkeys out of /etc/initramfs-tools , so it makes sense
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3940 [23:54:43] <ProfessorKaos64> what channel, if not this one, would be the most appropriate to ask for advice on apt-pinning / preferences confs?
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3944 [23:56:21] <themill> Your distro's main support channel
3945 [23:56:59] <themill> gryffus: sure, so sending an email with those pseudoheaders as babilen described is the next step if you don't have reportbug
3946 [23:57:48] <gryffus> themill: i can make a diff and send it with that email if it will help
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3949 [23:59:05] <themill> Sure, attaching patches is always welcome
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3952 [23:59:53] <gryffus> themill: ok thanks for help
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