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7 [00:06:06] <a1batr0ss> Hi I managed to get the sound working, but I cannot adjust the volume at all. How can I fix this?
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25 [00:13:06] <RebelCoder> Guys, what is the best way to see mu NVidia driver version if I am running Bumblebee ?
26 [00:13:16] <armin> hi. i'm on a notebook where i only have 2 trackpad buttons i could use for pasting text, so i obviously don't have that fancy click-two-buttons-to-paste-thing in Xorg present, yet. could anyone get me going how to proceed? please forgive the fact i'm damn drunk, thank you.
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32 [00:14:44] <armin> also i just had the funniest taxi ride of my life, with an ex software developer.
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45 [00:19:11] <a1batr0ss> armin: what kind of conversation did you guys have in the taxi? :)
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49 [00:20:29] <d3lphi> hi all. I did run a process that certainly required lots of memory, I know that because I tracked it while it was in action. The memory (24GB) were occupied totally, then swap was used also. After the process terminated the swap space is still in use (free -h shows that). Why is the swap not deleted? currently RAM is used 6/24GB but swap still fully occupied
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55 [00:23:14] <dob1> hi, is skylake processors supported by jessie kernel?
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57 [00:23:20] <dob1> *are
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59 [00:23:41] <dvs> dob1, it works for me (i5-6500)
60 [00:23:43] <markybob> mostly. there's a power issue that jessie-backports kernel fixes
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62 [00:25:31] <dob1> but i can boot to install the system, right? i would like to buy DS67U from shuttle to use as debian server, and it has a skylake processor (celeron 3855U)
63 [00:25:36] <spacebug^> d3lphi: I think that even though no process is actually using the memory, the kernel still has it claimed. In short, it's not in use
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65 [00:25:53] <d3lphi> spacebug^: how do I free the swap space?
66 [00:25:53] <markybob> dob1: yes
67 [00:26:32] <dob1> markybob, thanks
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72 [00:29:04] <spacebug^> d3lphi: if you do not want the swap then use swapoff
73 [00:29:31] <d3lphi> spacebug^: but I NEED it. I don't want to disable it at all, I just want to "free" it
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75 [00:29:57] <spacebug^> d3lphi: I think it is free
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83 [00:32:56] <spacebug^> d3lphi: Though I might be wrong. You can however change some of the behavior replaced-url
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85 [00:32:59] <d3lphi> spacebug^: definitely not, "free -h" proofs it
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89 [00:35:14] <spacebug^> d3lphi: and if you read down on one of those site you see what I mean about "free"
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105 [00:52:37] <d3lphi> spacebug^: "swapoff -a && swapon -a" did the job what I wanted to (=freeing the space)
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108 [00:53:04] <markybob> still doesn't mean it made any sense
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110 [00:54:02] <markybob> ram/swap doesn't want to be free
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120 [00:56:34] <spacebug^> Yeah. If the data was in use, it now resides in RAM instead. If it was free but chached, then nothing happened. Since swap (file or partition) is fixed size, no more free space on drive was achived either
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169 [01:29:45] <ska> On debian8, what is the easiest way to get Usb3-ethernet support? In backports, it jumps from 3.16 to 4.5 and 4.6 kernels. There is not 3.18 for example.
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174 [01:30:53] <ska> What would be the minimal upgrade path?
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202 [01:52:27] <ska> Should upgrade to 4.X kernel be considered safe?
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212 [01:58:01] <awal1> ska, many people uses the last kernel version available in backports, you can try...
213 [01:58:33] <awal1> ,v kernels
214 [01:58:34] <judd> No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64.
215 [01:58:59] <awal1> ,v linux-image-amd64
216 [01:59:00] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.6+74~bpo8+1; sid: 4.6+74; stretch: 4.6+74
217 [01:59:32] <ska> judd: perhaps he meant linux-image
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220 [02:00:41] <ska> judd: thanks.. awa11: thanks.. I just don't want to wander far of the supported map.
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223 [02:01:26] <awal1> dpkg: tell ska about bots
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230 [02:04:04] <ska> awa11: no need. I just didn't realize it was a bot.
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235 [02:06:17] <TomTomTosch> it's not unusual to use the kernel in jessie-backports. did you have problems with the default kernel?
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241 [02:10:09] <TomTomTosch> the usbnet module is included in the 3.16 kernel. i never had problems with that one.
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246 [02:14:10] <sypher> Is there a way to tell what the default state of a systemd unit is (enabled or disabled)?
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249 [02:14:44] <sypher> As in, can I tell if a systemd unit was enabled or disabled initially when the package that installed it was first installed?
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265 [02:23:36] <RippyDippy> Ok. I've done this before, but it never works the second time round
266 [02:23:43] <RippyDippy> nvidia 970 drivers?
267 [02:25:05] <RippyDippy> and yes I have gone through the wiki and downloaded the non-free driver
268 [02:25:21] <RippyDippy> I think noveau isn't blacklisted though
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273 [02:29:40] <andril> o/
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277 [02:30:33] <Akuw> please url to learn to debelop apps in for shell, something like aptitude with menus
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279 [02:32:08] <Akuw> s/debelop/develop
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301 [02:46:25] <tokage> Akuw: wat?
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313 [02:52:12] <LambdaComplex> Akuw: wat?
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317 [02:53:29] <LambdaComplex> Akuw: if i'm deciphering what you asked correctly, you should probably look into the dialog command
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319 [02:53:54] <LambdaComplex> which is used to create ncurses TUIs in shell scripts
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359 [03:26:15] <kale> hi, i am experiencing a strange problem. when my laptop reaches 5 minutes untoched, the screen is blanked. when i press a key it asks for user/pass. This is not xscreensaver, but looks like its lightdm. i only need to enter username to get back to my desktop. any idea on how i can disable this?
360 [03:27:00] <somiaj> kale: I don't think a display manager will lock the screen, but there are various locking tools.
361 [03:27:05] <somiaj> kale: what desktop are you using?
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363 [03:27:22] <kale> xfce
364 [03:27:55] <kale> my system has not always done this, it has shown up resently
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368 [03:28:37] <sm00th> on my kde its in display settings, i forget where on xfce but somewhere similar.
369 [03:28:58] <sm00th> there is always option to lock screen even without screensaver, but settings are in the same place.
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374 [03:31:29] <kale> sm00th: seems you were right, there is a "lock screen when system hibernates" ... new functionaly to me, buth thanks for the hint
375 [03:32:21] <somiaj> seems it uses xflock4
376 [03:33:07] <sm00th> why does my juk player play each track at the fullest volume
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380 [03:34:00] <kale> i'll try to keep my hands off the systemfo fo the next 5 minutes and see what happens
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387 [03:38:29] <sm00th> wwok now its not doing it weird.
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407 [03:51:32] <cheapie> Well, one of my computers is being strange again. It's crashing (hard reboot, not a kernel panic or normal reboot) every 2-3 minutes. It doesn't do it when booted from a live CD. Any ideas?
408 [03:52:28] <cheapie> ("live CD" actually meaning network boot in this case, but that should be irrelevant)
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413 [03:52:51] <kale> cheapie: try reading from the harddrive
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415 [03:53:02] <cheapie> kale: OK, one moment.
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419 [03:54:30] <cheapie> kale: "dd if=/dev/nvme0n1 of=/dev/null bs=4M" is running fine, no crashes yet.
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421 [03:54:47] <cheapie> Almost halfway done.
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423 [03:55:43] <sm00th> do a smartctl scan
424 [03:55:53] <kale> check /proc/cmdline perhaps you find some intersting parameters used on the livecd
425 [03:56:13] <cheapie> sm00th: smartctl doesn't support NVMe drives.
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428 [03:57:44] <sm00th> really? lol
429 [03:57:45] <cheapie> kale: Nothing unusual there, and when booting from the drive it's set to only give it a root=/dev/nvme0n1p3 option.
430 [03:58:03] <cheapie> sm00th: ATA (PATA/SATA) and SCSI only.
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432 [03:58:31] <sm00th> i see
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434 [03:58:33] <cheapie> Meanwhile, the whole drive has now been read, no crashes there.
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436 [03:58:43] <sm00th> that kind of sucks.
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438 [03:59:13] <cheapie> I did check the health log recently, and it was fine.
439 [03:59:40] <sm00th> so this just recently started happening, but it was fine for a while before that?
440 [04:00:10] <kale> what about power usage? could it be your PSU cannot keep up?
441 [04:00:35] <cheapie> I suspect that there's a bad kernel module of some sort being loaded, as this just started happening after I was using the box as an iSCSI initiator (which I had to install the daemon for).
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444 [04:00:55] <cheapie> kale: 660W, only using 350W peak at the wall.
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446 [04:01:26] <cheapie> And yes, it was fine until recently.
447 [04:01:39] <kale> cheapie: chroot into the installation and disable this new service
448 [04:01:47] <cheapie> (sorry about the slow typing - not used to QWERTY)
449 [04:02:09] <cheapie> kale: I don't know which packages/daemons got installed.
450 [04:02:19] <sm00th> check apt history
451 [04:02:33] <cheapie> sm00th: How do I do that?
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453 [04:02:44] <sm00th> /var/log/apt i think
454 [04:02:48] <sm00th> history.log file
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457 [04:05:17] <cheapie> All I see in there that I haven't removed yet is sg3-utils. I'll try that.
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462 [04:08:37] <cheapie> Looks like there was also an "iscsid" running. I stopped and disabled that.
463 [04:08:44] <sm00th> ah
464 [04:08:58] * cheapie tests it
465 [04:08:59] <sm00th> find out what mods it installs them rmmode them
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468 [04:14:13] <cheapie> Still crashes with iscsid disabled and no iscsi-related modules loaded. I'll try purging open-iscsi.
469 [04:14:57] <cheapie> Rebooted after purging open-iscsi, now to see what happens...
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471 [04:15:32] <cheapie> Crashed.
472 [04:16:34] * cheapie picks Memtest86+ from the netboot menu and lets that run for a bit
473 [04:17:09] <sm00th> if it dont' crash on network boot like kale i would think hdd or psu
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475 [04:18:12] <cheapie> I'm tempted to just reinstall the OS at this point.
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483 [04:23:50] <sm00th> cheapie, try a diff kernel
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485 [04:25:08] <cheapie> sm00th: Already did.
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489 [04:26:43] <cheapie> Still crashes.
490 [04:27:48] <Strife89> Evening, folks. I'm having an odd audio issue in Debian testing - audio through HDMI doesn't work unless I have suspended the machine at least once during the session.
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495 [04:29:00] <cheapie> I think I'll just reinstall at this point...
496 [04:29:53] <Strife89> I'm not exactly keen on doing a suspend-unsuspend cycle everytime I cold boot the machine, and thus far this has proven to be a difficult issue to research. That said, the only thing I've tried is restarting PulseAudio (via --kill and --start), which didn't work. Any ideas?
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498 [04:31:23] <sm00th> unplug and plug back hdmi?
499 [04:32:19] <Strife89> Also probably viable, I'd have to do that every time I reboot the machine as well.
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501 [04:32:45] <Pwnna> how can i remove the init system package completely?
502 [04:32:48] <Pwnna> i'm inside a chroot
503 [04:32:53] <Pwnna> i want to minimize the image size
504 [04:33:10] <Strife89> I know that audio over HDMI works properly in other Debian-based distros - Mint, at least.
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506 [04:34:57] <sm00th> ya surround sound controls for me work much better in ubuntu and mint as well.
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511 [04:38:01] <Strife89> sm00th: Heh, I'm not even asking for surround sound. It's a single HDMI cable going from my GFX card to a TV, which is the only display attached to the machine; and the TV's hooked up to a 2.0 stereo.
512 [04:38:53] <Strife89> I *can* use VGA + analog audio, but I have another device hooked up through that and would prefer not to do further cable wrangling.
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516 [04:40:36] <sm00th> Strife89, i know just commenting
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518 [04:41:19] <sm00th> have you tried unplugging and plugging it just to see if thats part of the issue?
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520 [04:42:06] <RippyDippy> hey, can anyone give me hand with these nvidia drivers?
521 [04:42:12] <RippyDippy> I seem to be missing somethign
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524 [04:43:02] <sm00th> RippyDippy, you tried this ? replaced-url
525 [04:43:14] <RippyDippy> sm00th: Yes. Many times
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527 [04:43:43] <Strife89> sm00th: Oh, that does work, actually.
528 [04:43:47] <RippyDippy> sm00th: So far, I've tried the backports legacy driver and the non backports driver.
529 [04:43:48] <sm00th> RippyDippy, whats wrong?
530 [04:43:56] <RippyDippy> I have a 970.. if that is important
531 [04:44:08] <sm00th> RippyDippy, what is the problems you are having?
532 [04:44:38] <RippyDippy> sm00th: I follow the instructions, only when I reboot, the nvidia driver doesnt take affect.
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535 [04:45:27] <sm00th> RippyDippy, how do you know?
536 [04:45:31] <Strife89> RippyDippy: You may need to make sure you install and run nvidia-xconfig
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538 [04:45:47] <Strife89> I missed that bit on my last attempt.
539 [04:45:48] <sm00th> RippyDippy, or create the xorg file manually
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541 [04:46:05] <RippyDippy> sm00th: I believe that is what I had to do the last time
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543 [04:46:26] <sm00th> RippyDippy, replaced-url
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545 [04:47:39] <RippyDippy> sm00th: I'll reboot and see if that does the trick.
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556 [04:54:40] <Strife89> sm00th: Shoot, unplugging and reconnection the HDMI cable isn't even a good short-term fix. I fired up a game, changed the resolution settings, and promptly lost audio across the system.
557 [04:54:54] <sm00th> dsweird
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559 [04:55:11] <sm00th> Strife89, have yout ried the backport kernel?
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561 [04:55:57] <Strife89> Well, uh. There's a backport from Sid to testing?
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563 [04:56:12] <sm00th> oh you are on testing?
564 [04:56:20] <Strife89> Yep.
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566 [04:58:19] <sm00th> not sure what to tell you keep asking someone else will help
567 [04:58:26] <sypher> !testing
568 [04:58:27] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
569 [04:58:36] <sypher> This isn't quite the right forum for testing support.
570 [04:58:57] <sm00th> Strife89 what kernel you using?
571 [04:58:59] <Strife89> I tried to join #debian-next before; seems I need to be invited.
572 [04:59:12] <sypher> Strife89: #debian-next isn't on Freenode. As stated, it's on the OFTC network.
573 [04:59:14] <Strife89> ... and that's still the case
574 [04:59:16] <Strife89> Ah.
575 [04:59:27] <kale> heh ... /join #debian-next threw me in here :-)
576 [04:59:29] <Strife89> Sorry, skimmed over that bit.
577 [04:59:38] <sm00th> kale, lol
578 [04:59:44] <sypher> Strife89: I expect you'll find much more relevant information there. :)
579 [05:00:32] <Strife89> sm00th: Linux 4.6.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.2-2 (2016-06-25) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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584 [05:00:43] <sm00th> Strife89, ah ok
585 [05:02:12] <sm00th> maybe Strife89 so it worked when you replugged it, but didnt' work when you ran an app?
586 [05:02:27] <sm00th> Strife89, i know in kde you have to select preferred audio settings maybe something similar for you?
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588 [05:02:43] <sm00th> still doesn't solve issue of why you have to replug it after boot though
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593 [05:03:21] <sypher> sm00th: As stated, this isn't the correct forum for this. Not trying to diminish the assistance you're trying to provide, but there's probably much more helpful resources in #debian-next@oftc.
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595 [05:03:36] <sm00th> lol you're probably right.
596 [05:03:49] <Strife89> sm00th: Well, I'm running MATE and whatever comes with it (PulseAudio GUI, I think?) and I believe I do have to select it specifically. I had to in Mint.
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599 [05:04:43] <Strife89> sypher: I've posted my question there and am waiting for a response. Sorry for the continued chatter on this
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601 [05:05:10] <sypher> Strife89: No worries! Just trying to help get stuff sorted out.
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603 [05:06:56] <Strife89> It does bug the mess out of me, though. I use this desktop for gaming (Steam, emulation) and watching movies.
604 [05:07:27] <sm00th> Strife89, most people here dont' even use a desktop gui lmao.
605 [05:07:46] <Strife89> Been running Mint for a while, but I've been running testing on my laptop for a while, and since Mint 18 is now out, I've been wanting to make a change - figured I might as well go back to Debian on the desktop.
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607 [05:08:05] <sm00th> Strife89, I hear ya.
608 [05:08:20] <sm00th> Debian is more trustworthy I feel.
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610 [05:09:21] <Strife89> sm00th: Heh, I was raised on Windows (by necessity). I've grown to enjoy the CLI, but not enough to ditch GUIs. I'm still not really comfortable without a DE in place.
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614 [05:10:41] <sm00th> Strife89, me neither It just looks nice.
615 [05:11:07] <sm00th> I use to be all into security. but now I don't care anymore.
616 [05:11:18] <sypher> Heh. Security is my job.
617 [05:11:25] <sm00th> sypher, oh ya?
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619 [05:12:49] <sm00th> sypher, feels like an illusion to me nowadays. I don't wanna give up what I like to do with my pc anymore. So i just do the basics and say screw it now.
620 [05:13:01] <sypher> I'm a security architect.
621 [05:13:08] <sypher> For lack of a better term, at least.
622 [05:13:13] <sm00th> I don't even know what that means lol
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624 [05:13:46] <sypher> Essentially, I'm an enterprise systems architect with a major focus on security design.
625 [05:14:09] <sm00th> cool
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627 [05:14:41] <Strife89> sypher: Nice. Sounds like difficult work.
628 [05:15:02] <kale> i'd rathe be a lumber jack
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630 [05:15:50] <sm00th> oh wow an amazon kindle server just got hacked lol
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632 [05:15:59] <sypher> Almost all of my clients are companies that fall under SEC regulation or some other financial regulation.
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637 [05:17:22] <sm00th> sypher, ah, I see now.
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639 [05:17:50] <nokt> I still fail to set up my home network
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641 [05:19:05] <sm00th> nokt, what do u mean?
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644 [05:19:48] <nokt> I mean sypher's job seems badass
645 [05:20:28] <sm00th> ya
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647 [05:20:55] <sm00th> I would love to work with computers.
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649 [05:22:09] <sm00th> but I'm bad at math lmao
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689 [05:43:23] <lxsameer> hey folks, how can i mark a package for NOT upgrading ?
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695 [05:48:19] <m5w> Hello.
696 [05:48:32] <m5w> no luck with Ubuntu either
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699 [05:49:05] <m5w> jhutchins: MemTest found no errors after several passes
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702 [05:49:58] <m5w> to reiterate: my problem is that I can't get gparted or debian netinst to boot on either uefi of legacy
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704 [05:50:12] <m5w> and now not ubuntu either
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707 [05:50:44] <m5w> nomodeset seems to make some difference on gparted, but it still won't boot
708 [05:50:55] <m5w> even on "failsafe" lol
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711 [05:52:31] <m5w> on gparted, I see `BAR 6: failed to assign [mem size 0x00080000 pref]
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714 [05:52:56] <m5w> and a bunch of stuff about PCI
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717 [05:54:34] <somiaj> m5w: so the live images aren't booting?
718 [05:55:41] <m5w> somiaj: I get to grub, but after that it either blackscreens or spits out some messages and doesn't proceed
719 [05:56:26] <somiaj> m5w: and this is with live images?
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721 [05:56:40] <m5w> somiaj: yes
722 [05:56:45] <m5w> live USB
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726 [05:58:13] <Rusty1_> m5w: all on the same usb device?
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729 [05:59:01] <m5w> Rusty1_: no, I used separate drives for each
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733 [06:00:53] <Rusty1_> m5w: is the target known to be compatable with linux otherwise?
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736 [06:01:27] <m5w> Rusty1_: not sure, but I know there are drivers for all my hardware
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738 [06:02:29] <m5w> nvidia has drivers; the QCA9377 has a driver available with a kernel backport, and the realtek NIC should be fine
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740 [06:02:51] <m5w> (QCA9377 is wireless card)
741 [06:02:58] <Rusty1_> aye
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749 [06:05:56] <Rusty1_> m5w: have you tried appending noacpid to the boot stanza?
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757 [06:10:24] <m5w> Rusty1_: appending that to failsafe doesn't help
758 [06:10:32] <m5w> I'll try on netinst
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762 [06:12:29] <m5w> Rusty1_: no luck on netinst; still a black screen
763 [06:12:51] <m5w> I'll try these both on UEFI
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768 [06:15:12] <m5w> Rusty1_: no luck on UEFI gparted
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771 [06:16:39] <m5w> Rusty1_: black screen on UEFI netinst
772 [06:16:45] <m5w> :\
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776 [06:18:44] <m5w> perhaps I need to boot with an nvidia driver somehow?
777 [06:18:48] <Rusty1_> m5w: secure boot disabled in bios? shouldnt matter
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779 [06:19:55] <m5w> Rusty1_: yes; I've also tried ubuntu *with* secure boot and all .efi added and still no luck
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783 [06:21:54] <m5w> and again, MemTest passed
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787 [06:25:04] <Rusty1_> m5w: if you cant bet any burned iso to boot , then a hardware anomoly is likely at fault, remove any non essential devices and try , otherwise i'm out of ideas
788 [06:25:17] <Rusty1_> s/get/bet
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1209 [08:42:47] <Package> Hello
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1211 [08:43:09] <Package> I am trying to get the most recent copy of the repository "evince". I am getting a 404 not found. How can I install the repo without using sudo papt-ge update?
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1215 [08:49:53] <plasmoduck> whats a good small pdf viewer?
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1217 [08:51:46] <shadows> small?
1218 [08:52:03] <plasmoduck> scrap that part
1219 [08:52:15] <shadows> I'd use evince for viewing pdf
1220 [08:52:26] <plasmoduck> I use awesome wm so something that will fit in nicely with it
1221 [08:52:32] <shadows> I used to use Xpdf when there was no evince
1222 [08:52:32] <plasmoduck> not something from kde or gnome
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1225 [08:53:01] <plasmoduck> thanks
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1228 [08:55:42] <shadows> plasmoduck: or if you use chromium web browser that has decent buillt-in pdf support
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1230 [08:59:25] <jmd`> I have an issue running /etc/init.d/nfs-common
1231 [08:59:40] <jmd`> Is seems that it doesn't play nicely with systemd
1232 [08:59:58] <jmd`> Specifically ..
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1235 [09:00:57] <jmd`> /lib/lsb/init-functions.d/40-systemd seems to think it is a "masked" service and does nothing.
1236 [09:01:24] <jmd`> What is a "masked" service? And how can I get nfs to work if systemd refuses to run it?
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1239 [09:06:20] <plasmoduck> shadows, I'm a firefox man... Always have been, always will be ;-)
1240 [09:07:00] <jmd`> plasmoduck: You must be a very young man then ...
1241 [09:07:15] <plasmoduck> jmd`, why do you say that?
1242 [09:07:23] <plasmoduck> I'm actually 32
1243 [09:07:33] <jmd`> Well filefox hasn't existed for 32 years.
1244 [09:07:49] <plasmoduck> firefox
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1247 [09:09:28] <plasmoduck> I started using Netscape, then Firefox
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1267 [09:27:23] <mi11k1> Can somebody tell me I need speech recognition software I can use call my I tried Google to a bunch you and couldn't get an API key and something called voice commands which I couldn't really get working.
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1275 [09:32:45] <Wicd> Hello
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1286 [09:37:46] <nmouse> Hello all. I noticed that by default auditd is not included in Debian and that the CIS security benchmark recommends to install it. Is there a reason it is not included by default? Is there a different logging solution that is included by default?
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1303 [09:51:30] <babilen> judd: v auditd
1304 [09:51:31] <judd> Package: auditd on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.7.13-1+b2; wheezy: 1:1.7.18-1.1; jessie: 1:2.4-1+b1; stretch: 1:2.5.2-1; sid: 1:2.6.3-1
1305 [09:51:50] <babilen> nmouse: You can easily install it with "apt install auditd"
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1308 [09:53:22] <babilen> (very few packages are *always* installed as most are not really needed)
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1312 [09:56:39] <nmouse> Thank you for the answers!
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1317 [10:00:22] <dutchfish> hi, i am trying to refind a debian package to construct sound waves by math (wav files), i unfortunately forget the name, anyone can help me out?
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1739 [11:02:48] <MaxLanar> Hello, do you know of a way/programm to monitor network usage by process ? (wich program use what amount of upload/download bandwidth) on a debian box ?
1740 [11:02:55] <MaxLanar> CLI welcome
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1748 [11:05:19] <ven00m> iftop
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1751 [11:06:00] <ven00m> MaxLanar: iftop
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1754 [11:07:07] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, for long term monitoring have a peak at munin too
1755 [11:07:31] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, it has graphing options as well
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1757 [11:08:11] <MaxLanar> ven00m: I have iftop running right now but it don't display network usage by process (or I don't understand something or I don't know how to make it behave that way)
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1760 [11:10:09] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, if you just want to find the hogs, use nethogs
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1765 [11:11:11] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, iptraf is another option
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1767 [11:11:51] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, nethogs display by pid/user the traffic stats
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1772 [11:12:27] <MaxLanar> dutchfish: nethogs give me that "creating socket failed while establishing local IP - are you root?" :(
1773 [11:12:37] <MaxLanar> (I am root of course)
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1780 [11:14:33] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, i assume you are on Debian/Stable ?
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1782 [11:15:07] <anton02_> anton02
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1784 [11:16:08] <MaxLanar> dutchfish: cat /etc/debian_version
1785 [11:16:09] <MaxLanar> 8.5
1786 [11:16:09] <MaxLanar>
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1789 [11:17:42] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, appears to be a known bug, replaced-url
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1791 [11:17:43] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1795 [11:18:14] <MaxLanar> dutchfish: yeah I willdo that
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1812 [11:24:31] <MaxLanar> dutchfish: the package from bpo is working well :)
1813 [11:24:47] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, good to hear :)
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1849 [11:53:12] <xormor> replaced-url
1850 [11:54:36] <han-solo> GO! DONALD TRUMP!!
1851 [11:54:40] <han-solo> :)
1852 [11:54:54] <qmr> how is that remotely on topic
1853 [11:55:03] <qmr> fuck your video log get the fuck out of here with that
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1855 [11:55:53] <xormor> qmr, wrong channel
1856 [11:56:03] <xormor> qmr, I tried to post in in ##politics
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1858 [11:56:09] <xormor> qmr, I just put it there.
1859 [11:56:11] <qmr> carry on then
1860 [11:56:29] <han-solo> :}
1861 [11:56:33] <qmr> also you seem like one of those european types. I thought your ilk was all make believe
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1863 [11:57:03] <qmr> han-solo: sadly he might be the best choice? :\
1864 [11:57:18] <han-solo> I would like to see something :)
1865 [11:57:26] <han-solo> it's not that i'm against America
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1867 [11:57:38] <han-solo> chaos!
1868 [11:58:02] <han-solo> he's so stupid as his hair cut
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1877 [12:05:15] <mikejw> I've broken my machine trying to upgrade to stretch
1878 [12:05:46] <mikejw> "no sandbox user "_apt"
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1901 [12:10:21] <babilen> mikejw: You typically want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support. It would also be quite helpful if you could paste commands and their entire output to replaced-url
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1907 [12:12:41] <doublehp> after 2 weeks, i did not received confirmation my bug was created ; what should i do ?
1908 [12:12:49] <mikejw> babilen: says I must be invited
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1918 [12:15:20] <mikejw> undefined symbon Perl_xs_apiversion_bootcheck
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1920 [12:15:26] <mikejw> *symbol
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1924 [12:16:59] <babilen> mikejw: The channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) with the rest of the official Debian channels and not here on Freenode.
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1926 [12:17:13] <mikejw> ah ok thanks
1927 [12:17:29] <babilen> doublehp: Sounds as if it has not been received by the bug tracking system
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1948 [12:34:35] <doublehp> babilen: so ... what should i do ?
1949 [12:34:42] <malade_mental> Hello, I have a hard drive problem. It mounts normally, I can see all the files on it, but then when I check it's status with "df" data is totally wrong.
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1952 [12:35:51] <malade_mental> I had problems with that hard drive before, it was formatted in NTFS and never stopped bugging (sometimes not starting...) so I did a backup, I formatted it, and now it has an ext4 filesystem. I had to specify an alternate superblock
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1954 [12:36:32] <doublehp> malade_mental: smartctl -a /dev/sda => any pastebin
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1958 [12:39:34] <petn-randall> malade_mental: Can you show us the output of 'df -h'? → replaced-url
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1960 [12:41:16] <malade_mental> smartctl : replaced-url
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1969 [12:45:39] <doublehp> malade_mental: Samsung is not to be recommended (even when you get a good batch, waranty is short). People seem happy with this model; can't see any trouble. Still, some day, you should run "badblocks -svw /dev/sdc" (will destroy all data; and may take from 6 to 48h)
1970 [12:45:52] <doublehp> malade_mental: after this, check smartctl again; especially line 5
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1973 [12:46:26] <MaxLanar> nethogs give that : replaced-url
1974 [12:46:57] <babilen> doublehp: How did you report the bug?
1975 [12:47:00] <doublehp> malade_mental: line 5 not null indicates dead disk. Other lines may indicate bad SATA cable; Wikipedia has a good article about SMART. to me, your problem is not hardware; mkfs should fix it.
1976 [12:47:08] <malade_mental> doublehp: thanks, I did not know about smartctl command before :/
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1978 [12:47:14] <malade_mental> shame on me
1979 [12:47:39] <doublehp> babilen: sent an email; copied email content from a /tmp file from the machine where bug was (does not have valid exim), and pasted it inside Thunberbird.
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1983 [12:48:52] <malade_mental> doublehp: ok so I do a badblocks command first
1984 [12:48:54] <doublehp> malade_mental: it's a shame it's not installed by default on 100% machines in the world (included phones, and routers). default installed on 0%. Could warn people 6 months before loosing data ... produce pop-ups, tell machines are about to die; not a single OS does it.
1985 [12:48:59] <babilen> doublehp: You can easily use Debian's SMTP server from reportbug by setting "smtphost reportbug.debian.org" in .reportbugrc -- This is also being offered when you run "reportbug --configure". I use that setting by default even if I have a working MTA setup on that host.
1986 [12:49:05] <malade_mental> hopefully i still have a backup
1987 [12:49:20] <babilen> doublehp: And you are sure that your mail was delivered correctly? Where did you send it?
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1990 [12:49:48] <malade_mental> doublehp: never had hard drive problems like this one with debian in years of using it
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1994 [12:50:22] <malade_mental> and why do space management programs don't do that, so bad
1995 [12:50:35] <doublehp> malade_mental: since low level seem fine, i don't understand how you can share common problem between NTFS and ext4. Did you used NTFS under linux ? if yes, problem is probably your kernel; if you have same issue with NTFS on windows, and ext4 underlinux, then ,common point is RAM/CPU ... and you should have many other problems if CPU or RAM has corrupted internals
1996 [12:50:53] <malade_mental> no I don't have common problems!
1997 [12:51:11] <doublehp> babilen: give me your email via /msg and I forward you the original
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1999 [12:51:31] <malade_mental> when it was on NTFS sometimes the disk just didn't start, now it's ok with ext4 but I just noticed when running df -h
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2001 [12:51:35] <malade_mental> that it was buggy
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2003 [12:52:00] <doublehp> define buggy
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2005 [12:52:12] <doublehp> define "not start"
2006 [12:52:33] <babilen> doublehp: I don't think that's necessary right now. I was just curious which address you send it to.
2007 [12:52:54] <malade_mental> with ext4, df -h give me 77MB used space, except
2008 [12:53:01] <doublehp> submit@bugs.debian.org
2009 [12:53:15] <malade_mental> it's almost full and it's 1TB total space
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2011 [12:53:48] <doublehp> malade_mental: mount => pastebin
2012 [12:53:49] <malade_mental> with NTFS the partition just couldn't be found when booting, then I just reboot and it worked
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2014 [12:54:09] <babilen> doublehp: That should have been fine. Are you sure it is not sitting in a mailqueue somewhere? You could simply file it again or try to get additional information from #debian-bugs on irc.oftc.net
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2016 [12:54:44] <doublehp> malade_mental: your NTFS issu description is still not clear: did plates start spinning ? was disk found by BIOS ? did kernel find a disk with no partitions in it ?
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2018 [12:55:00] <malade_mental> replaced-url
2019 [12:55:20] <doublehp> babilen: I am confident in my sending system. Was said to wait 2 or 3d. It was june 24th ...
2020 [12:55:43] <malade_mental> yes plates where spinning, the disk was in bios, just a disk with no partitions
2021 [12:55:51] <babilen> doublehp: Yes, you should have received confirmation by now
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2023 [12:56:01] <malade_mental> but I don't have the issue anymore I can't test again doublehp
2024 [12:56:14] <doublehp> malade_mental: this can not be the full output of what I Asked you; it's the second time you select what YOU THINK RELEVANT, and do not provide what you are asked !!!
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2026 [12:57:13] <malade_mental> doublehp: yes but just say me why we need other lines from "mount" ?
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2028 [12:57:44] <malade_mental> in fact it's this : replaced-url
2029 [12:58:12] <malade_mental> df -h : replaced-url
2030 [12:58:21] <doublehp> malade_mental: you wxant help ? you want the exhaustive list of my 17y experience ? you already did not provide what petn-randall asked you. I am now expected AFK
2031 [12:59:34] <doublehp> malade_mental: if du -lsh reports more used space than df -h , that's because you have a lot of hard links in the disk.
2032 [12:59:38] <malade_mental> doublehp: I don't doubt you have the experience
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2036 [13:00:42] <malade_mental> doublehp: can this come from rsync? because I use this to restore my files back on the hard drive
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2038 [13:00:45] <doublehp> malade_mental: used space does not matter; only free space is relevant. As long as you don't have "disk full" message, your disk is fine. I am using ZFS, and I have about 3 times more used space than my total disk space ...
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2040 [13:01:20] <malade_mental> doublehp: ok so that's great news for me, also I'll read the wikipedia article that you pointed
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2042 [13:01:26] <doublehp> malade_mental: rsync is able to handle hard links, but this is discouraged. Symlinks never mess space (unless you are using bar arguments to find and du )
2043 [13:02:56] <doublehp> malade_mental: to check actual free space, do this: cat /dev/zero >/media/glarg/foobar ; ls -lh /media/glarg/foobar ; rm /media/glarg/foobar # then, you know what's left ... on ext4 (on ZFS, since it can use compression, creating a zero file is unreliable to determine free space; on my system, I would need to use /dev/random)
2044 [13:03:01] <malade_mental> du -lsh just tells me 300GB are used, while df tells me 77M.
2045 [13:03:13] <malade_mental> let's just suppose it doesn't matter a lot
2046 [13:03:31] <doublehp> malade_mental: I could make your du tell you you are usine TB, or even EB
2047 [13:04:08] <doublehp> malade_mental: if fsck tells you it's fine, then it's fine.
2048 [13:04:09] <malade_mental> yes I know
2049 [13:04:29] <malade_mental> so great, thanks doublehp for helping so much
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2051 [13:04:52] <doublehp> babilen: i think sending it again is useless; is there an alternative to emails for creating debian bugs ? Ill be back in 1h
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2053 [13:05:04] <babilen> doublehp: No, there isn't.
2054 [13:05:08] <malade_mental> it's not a very important hard drive for me so if one day fsck tells me it's not ok I'll just throw it away, anyways I still have backups.
2055 [13:05:15] <malade_mental> see ya!
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2058 [13:05:41] <doublehp> babilen: sending sending may not do better than first ...
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2061 [13:06:09] <babilen> doublehp: As I said: If you really want to follow up on it then contact #debian-bugs, but I would recommend to send the report again and to use smtphost reportbug.debian.org to do so.
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2133 [13:51:00] <G66K> hello everyone , im using 7 wheezy . is there anyway to connecto to wifi using wps pin
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2137 [13:52:17] <doublehp> G66K: yes
2138 [13:52:31] <G66K> doublehp: may i know how please ?
2139 [13:52:42] <multi_io> why does apt-get not want to upgrade the package in this situation? replaced-url
2140 [13:52:44] <doublehp> not sur
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2142 [13:53:36] <doublehp> multi_io: not required by any dep ?
2143 [13:53:54] <doublehp> multi_io: update uncompatible with present packages ?
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2148 [13:55:39] <multi_io> doublehp: on apt-get install vagrant it says: vagrant is already the newest version (1:1.7.2).
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2151 [13:56:49] <doublehp> multi_io: are you using stable ?
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2153 [13:57:41] <multi_io> doublehp: no, unstable
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2176 [14:08:31] <doublehp> babilen: smtphost seems to not help; but reading docs, seems my report was mal-formated: started body email with subject: instead of package: ... i will try a 3rd time. Too bad Debian does not gwarn about rejected reports
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2196 [14:21:51] <babilen> doublehp: reportbug should generate correct reports
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2199 [14:22:06] <babilen> (and run scripts necessary to gather relevant information)
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2205 [14:23:59] <doublehp> babilen: things are much more complicated when bugs are in the network installer; and 10y ago reportbug used to include instructions to report bugs using an alternate MTA, but does not do it anymore
2206 [14:24:16] <doublehp> not MT, MUA
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2209 [14:24:38] <user___> Hi
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2211 [14:25:08] <user___> Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
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2226 [14:33:28] <user___> Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
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2228 [14:34:25] <user___> Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
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2233 [14:35:39] <user___> Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
2234 [14:35:40] <user___> Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
2235 [14:35:41] <user___> Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
2236 [14:35:44] <user___> Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
2237 [14:35:55] <user___> Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
2238 [14:35:57] <user___> Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
2239 [14:37:58] <user___> ?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^
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2243 [14:39:07] <multi_io> I have a package (vagrant) installed in version 1.7.2. The version in the repository is 1.8.1. Still apt-get install refuses to upgrade the package, claiming "vagrant is already the newest version (1:1.7.2)."
2244 [14:39:11] <multi_io> why?
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2246 [14:39:42] <multi_io> here's proof: replaced-url
2247 [14:39:51] <multi_io> so why does it do this?
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2251 [14:41:20] <dvs> !frankendebian
2252 [14:41:20] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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2256 [14:41:48] <doublehp> user___: you will get KB for spam very soon
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2258 [14:42:31] <doublehp> user___: multi_io fast repetition of question won't help; wait at least 1h before reasking
2259 [14:42:36] <multi_io> dvs: my take is that this is strictly question about how dpkg/apt work
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2261 [14:43:41] <user___> doublehp Ok Ok , Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd?
2262 [14:43:47] <dvs> multi_io, no, it means that if you include an unstable release to a stable release, it means you are running unstable.
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2265 [14:44:17] <multi_io> I'm not asking for support on how to get a stable system, I'm just asking why apt doesn't want to install this thing in this situation
2266 [14:44:22] <dvs> actually, you're somewhere in between unstable and stable
2267 [14:44:23] <doublehp> user___: i have read your question over 20 times; and probably 20 other people also did; you have win entry in my ignore list.
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2269 [14:45:03] <doublehp> we don't answer because we don't know.
2270 [14:45:55] <user___> Ok , Have a nice Day.
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2272 [14:46:38] <babilen> dpkg: kfreebsd
2273 [14:46:38] <dpkg> Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures for Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. replaced-url
2274 [14:46:41] <babilen> ah ..
2275 [14:46:42] <babilen> heh
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2277 [14:47:36] <doublehp> dvs: (it's called testing ^^ )
2278 [14:47:39] <TomTomTosch> multi_io: the version you have installed has the epoch 1: the other has no epoch, in which case 0: is assumed. that's why 1:1.7.2 has a higher priority than 1.8.1
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2280 [14:48:02] <multi_io> TomTomTosch: ah!
2281 [14:48:07] <multi_io> thanks much
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2294 [14:53:13] <multi_io> I should've known this :O
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2296 [14:53:32] <multi_io> thanks again TomTomTosch, uninstalled & reinstalled, it all works now
2297 [14:53:44] <TomTomTosch> no probleme.
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2355 [15:29:27] <useretail> hi, how to install rar on jessie? these i have in my sources list: replaced-url
2356 [15:29:31] <useretail> when I do 'apt-get install rar' i get: Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
2357 [15:29:54] <cra1g321> useretail, you want to unrar rar files ?
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2359 [15:30:03] <cra1g321> if so, iirc the package is unrar
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2361 [15:30:05] <useretail> no, rar them
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2363 [15:30:16] <dvs> !unrar-nonfree
2364 [15:30:24] <dvs> ,v unrar-nonfree
2365 [15:30:25] <judd> No package named 'unrar-nonfree' was found in amd64.
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2367 [15:30:28] <useretail> i want to rar, not unrar
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2370 [15:31:54] <useretail> replaced-url
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2372 [15:32:14] <cra1g321> yeah just found that
2373 [15:32:20] <cra1g321> did you do "apt-get update" after ?
2374 [15:32:23] <useretail> yes
2375 [15:32:31] <useretail> already did
2376 [15:32:35] <aedinius> hm, weird, i have rar
2377 [15:32:45] <aedinius> show it in non-free
2378 [15:32:58] <kingkong> hi. i have such error. "PHP Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'RainTpl_Exception' with message 'Cache directory tmp/ doesn't have write permission." it will cause me any problem if i set chmod -R 755 /tmp/* ?
2379 [15:33:06] <aedinius> oh wait, i'm not on jessie, nevermind IGNORE ME
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2383 [15:33:52] <useretail> kingkong: we have no idea what your script does
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2386 [15:34:37] <cra1g321> useretail, your sources look/are correct, so that is weird...
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2389 [15:35:13] <useretail> cra1g321: yep, that's why i decided to ask here
2390 [15:35:22] <nitrax> Sup guys, someone with experience with openbox here ?
2391 [15:35:35] <dvs> !ask
2392 [15:35:36] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2394 [15:36:11] <cra1g321> useretail, unless maybe try changing the sources to a specific server then refresh them, see if it finds the package then
2395 [15:36:14] <themill> useretail: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-get update; apt-cache policy rar; apt-cache policy"
2396 [15:36:18] <kingkong> useretail: its paste script. full error log here replaced-url
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2399 [15:37:41] <Walakea> i have just installed Antegos as a second OS (after Debian) from Live USB, when i try to boot it, it hangs during GUI loading. i know this is not a Debian issue
2400 [15:38:07] <kingkong> should i chmod -R 755 /tmp/* ? its will cause me any security risk ?
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2402 [15:39:32] <nitrax> Ok well, sorry. So, I just have a silly question which make me crazy. Indeed, I run debian through openbox and I disable the window decoration of my term via the right click menu and I'm struggle to put it back. I already tried to add an action entry in the rc.xml or simply by the same menu that I used before but no success ... Would be great if someone can give me a lead. Cheers
2403 [15:39:44] <themill> kingkong: that's a silly idea
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2405 [15:40:32] <useretail> themill: replaced-url
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2408 [15:41:23] <kingkong> themill: what do you advice me to do solve my problem?
2409 [15:41:40] <TomTomTosch> if your script needs write access to /tmp then changing permissions on the contents of /tmp will not help.
2410 [15:41:58] <themill> useretail: non-free packages are frequently not available for archs other than amd64 or i386. This is one such case.
2411 [15:42:00] <useretail> kingkong: Set write permission or set RAINTPL_CHECK_TEMPLATE_UPDATE to false. More details on replaced-url
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2413 [15:42:24] <useretail> themill: ahhhhh
2414 [15:42:40] <themill> useretail: and yeah, try using a better format
2415 [15:43:09] <useretail> themill: like what?
2416 [15:43:12] <TomTomTosch> and /tmp usually has write permissions for all.
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2419 [15:43:40] <themill> useretail: depends what you are trying to compress and what the memory/speed/size compress/decompress trade-off is
2420 [15:43:49] <kingkong> TomTomTosch: why not? if so, i will try to set that setting as false.
2421 [15:44:17] <themill> useretail: unlikely you really need anything other than .tar.gz or .tar.xz though
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2424 [15:44:36] <kingkong> useretail: that raintpl site domain is on parking. i will set that setting as false if write access to tmp isnt solution
2425 [15:44:43] <TomTomTosch> /tmp means the directory, /tmp/* means every file that is inside of /tmp/
2426 [15:44:44] <useretail> themill: yeah, i'm aware of that. but a friend wants rar :)
2427 [15:45:20] <useretail> themill: thanks anyway
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2429 [15:45:47] <themill> meh... anyone who is obsessing about the compression format needs to get out more
2430 [15:46:16] <dvs> ,v rar
2431 [15:46:17] <kingkong> TomTomTosch: how to give write access for tmp to that script then? it will not solve my problem?
2432 [15:46:17] <judd> Package: rar on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 2:3.9.3-1; wheezy/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1; jessie/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1; stretch/non-free: 2:5.3.b2-1; sid/non-free: 2:5.3.b2-1
2433 [15:46:32] <TomTomTosch> kingkong: and 'Cache directory tmp/' probably is not /tmp, but something in the directory of whatever thing you use.
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2435 [15:47:11] <kingkong> TomTomTosch: omg
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2441 [15:47:58] <TomTomTosch> gods rarely help with software related issues.
2442 [15:48:04] <useretail> kingkong: try to change that variable first
2443 [15:48:16] <useretail> peace guys
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2465 [16:01:34] <x-fak> hi
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2467 [16:02:11] <x-fak> can you explain where is stored the change made by this command: "systemctl enable xxxx.service" ?
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2472 [16:04:46] <peewhy> have a look in /lib/systemd/system
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2474 [16:07:20] <x-fak> peewhy, why i dont see anything with such command strace -e write systemctl enable znc.service
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2494 [16:16:50] <p0rt> hey, I need to run onlu one program in x, without any kind of window manager.
2495 [16:17:10] <p0rt> I'd like to use computer in text mode and run X only for browser.
2496 [16:17:16] <p0rt> how to achieve it?
2497 [16:17:20] <RippyDippy> Thats so odd, last night I was having trouble getting the nvidia drivers working, I tried a fresh install this morning and it worked perfectly. I wonder what was messing it up last night
2498 [16:17:23] <jmd> p0rt: No problem. Debian can do it.
2499 [16:17:32] <p0rt> jmd: Yeah, how though?
2500 [16:17:53] <jmd> Well don't install any window managers.
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2503 [16:19:17] <jmd> You could just start X when you want your browser: Like "startx iceweasel" for example.
2504 [16:19:27] <p0rt> jmd: Er, that's a good idea. I was hoping for a more complete answer though. Let's imply that I want to start a new X session for browser, so I'll have one X instance running for everything, and a second one for browser.
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2507 [16:19:45] <p0rt> jmd: oh, so startx does this kind of thing?
2508 [16:19:48] <p0rt> that's good
2509 [16:19:50] <p0rt> thanks.
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2511 [16:19:57] <jmd> Oh so you want two displays?
2512 [16:20:02] <p0rt> no
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2514 [16:20:14] <p0rt> Actually, I think it would be good at this moment
2515 [16:20:32] <jmd> You cannot have two X instances running on the same display.
2516 [16:20:50] <p0rt> jmd: I can switch between them though, right?
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2518 [16:21:17] <jmd> You have only one monitor?
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2520 [16:21:51] <p0rt> jmd: yeah
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2522 [16:22:08] <p0rt> jmd: startx firefox does the job, thanks!
2523 [16:22:13] <jmd> Let me ask the question then why you don't want a window manager?
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2525 [16:22:48] <p0rt> jmd: I use mostly non-X programs
2526 [16:23:00] <p0rt> jmd: The only X11 program I use is browser
2527 [16:23:17] <jmd> That is what a window manager is for. Starting X is a bit of an overhead. So why not install a simple window manager and use it to switch between xterm and firefox.
2528 [16:23:32] <p0rt> jmd: So I don't want to have X running all the time since I don't use browser that often
2529 [16:23:39] <jmd> So?
2530 [16:23:41] <p0rt> jmd: I use i3 actually
2531 [16:23:51] <jmd> I don't know what i3 is.
2532 [16:23:55] <p0rt> jmd: It's good, but it's a waste of resources
2533 [16:24:00] <p0rt> jmd: It's a window manager.
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2535 [16:24:03] <p0rt> i3wm.org
2536 [16:24:19] <p0rt> jmd: I just don't want X running all the time
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2538 [16:24:40] <p0rt> jmd: Thanks for your help, startx does the job :-)
2539 [16:24:41] <TomTomTosch> xinit binary -- :1 where :1 is the display works just fine.
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2542 [16:25:38] <jmd> p0rt: Well if you are prepared to accept the overhead of starting X each time, then that'll work fine.
2543 [16:25:52] <Gerowen> Is there a way to script an SSH login and application launch? For example, let's say I wanted to automatically log into a remote machine via SSH AND immediately launch a program on that machine? Is there a way to write a script that passes commands to an SSH session that isn't open when the script first starts?
2544 [16:25:53] <p0rt> jmd: Ok, thanks.
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2546 [16:26:07] <TomTomTosch> what overhead? running a de if he doesn't need one is overhead.
2547 [16:26:20] <jmd> Personally I use ratpoison to switch between xterm and emacs. I very rarely use anything else.
2548 [16:27:19] <jmd> TomTomTosch: startx takes a few seconds.
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2552 [16:28:19] <TomTomTosch> not on my machine and a wm does the same xinit call as startx...
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2555 [16:28:58] <p0rt> jmd: Firefox starts, but it shows only on half of the screen
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2557 [16:29:10] <p0rt> jmd: The rest is just black
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2560 [16:29:51] <jmd> Probably that it its default size.
2561 [16:29:53] <p0rt> any ideas why?
2562 [16:30:06] <p0rt> jmd: how can I change it then?
2563 [16:30:19] <p0rt> sorry, I'm a complete idiot in terms of X11
2564 [16:30:23] <jmd> Use a window manager.
2565 [16:30:59] <jmd> Or perhaps firefox has a Fullscreen option.
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2570 [16:31:20] <p0rt> jmd: doesn't work though
2571 [16:31:35] <jmd> !doesn't work
2572 [16:31:35] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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2577 [16:32:39] <TomTomTosch> he already said what isn't working. the applications he starts with startx are not fullscreen.
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2582 [16:33:26] <p0rt> jmd: when I press F11 which should make it fullscreen it does the animation of being fulscreened, but it's still only on a half of the screen
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2584 [16:34:14] <jmd> try "startx ratpoison" and then C-t firefox
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2586 [16:34:36] <p0rt> jmd: I don't want any WM, including ratpoison.
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2589 [16:35:24] <p0rt> only X program I want is firefox, no more.
2590 [16:35:28] <jmd> Well then, as you have found, managing your windows (even if there is only one of them) will be difficult.
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2592 [16:35:54] <doublehp> p0rt: window manager is mandatory to exploit some features; firefox is not coded to exploit everything in X
2593 [16:36:03] <jmd> You might be able to pass --geometry to firefox. I'm not sure.
2594 [16:37:04] <jmd> p0rt: But hey! As you are obviously a minimalist, why not go the whole hog, and run X with NO clients?
2595 [16:37:22] <p0rt> jmd: What do you mean no clients?
2596 [16:37:32] <jmd> Not even firefox.
2597 [16:37:46] <p0rt> doublehp: doesn't X allow resizing clients?
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2599 [16:37:58] <p0rt> jmd: I need to have it running though :v
2600 [16:38:09] <jmd> No you don't.
2601 [16:38:21] <p0rt> doublehp: Like setting a fixed size of a program in it
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2604 [16:38:39] <doublehp> p0rt: resizing a window is a X feature; Firefox may be unable to use that feature directly without WM
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2606 [16:39:25] <p0rt> doublehp: how do you set a fixed size of a window in X though?
2607 [16:39:44] <jmd> p0rt: In general, you can't.
2608 [16:39:53] <doublehp> p0rt: anything WM do ... are less code to be written by apps developpers; there is no reason to duplicate code: what WM do for 99% people, Mozilla team may device to not implement it in their products
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2610 [16:40:11] <doublehp> p0rt: X --help
2611 [16:40:29] <doublehp> p0rt: if it's an internal call, you are stuck
2612 [16:41:08] <jmd> X clients make requests to the window manager. The window manager then makes a call to the server to provide a window.
2613 [16:41:34] <doublehp> p0rt: handling the size and position of a window is the job for a WM; there is no reason to add this code to X, or to end user apps
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2615 [16:42:17] <p0rt> jmd, doublehp: So I'll need some kind of window manager afer all.
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2618 [16:42:34] <jmd> I think you will.
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2620 [16:42:40] <doublehp> p0rt: or a browser that ship X discussion directly
2621 [16:42:43] <p0rt> Even a simple one which will just set a size of window.
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2623 [16:43:13] <p0rt> doublehp, jmd: Ok, thank you very much!
2624 [16:43:20] <doublehp> never heard of rat thing, but, it sounds to be just about as light as ion
2625 [16:43:55] <jmd> Alternatively, you could forget X, forget firefox and just run emacs.
2626 [16:44:27] <p0rt> jmd: Yeah, good luck watching YouTube in emacs.
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2629 [16:45:02] <XeonSquared> doesn't emacs have a way to embed webkit into it now?
2630 [16:45:13] <doublehp> p0rt: I definitly think Ion2 or RatPoison can do it; and unless you are using a very old CPU, the 3MB of RAM used by those WM should not be an issue
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2632 [16:45:56] <jmd> p0rt: apt-get install youtube-dl
2633 [16:46:23] <doublehp> p0rt: if you are using such an old machine, your problem will rather be about finding an ancient version of firefox that does not weight 500M; and any way, an old FF will not be able to print web2. If you are not looking for web2, then, many other browsers may be lighter, and more efficient for small machines
2634 [16:46:27] <p0rt> jmd: How can you watch a film without X?
2635 [16:46:41] <doublehp> p0rt: in either case, insisting for using Firefox, and refusing a WM sounds odd/stupid
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2637 [16:47:10] <doublehp> p0rt: how many alternatives to X do you want me to quote ? give me a number
2638 [16:47:14] <jmd> p0rt: I use my television.
2639 [16:47:27] <p0rt> doublehp: It's kind of I-want-to-learn-how-to-do-useless-things behavior.
2640 [16:47:41] <p0rt> doublehp: And I know it
2641 [16:47:42] <doublehp> p0rt: directFB, FreameBuffer, XdirectFB (none of them are Xorg)
2642 [16:48:09] <p0rt> doublehp: Oh...
2643 [16:48:38] <jmd> hack, hack, hacking ...
2644 [16:48:39] <doublehp> p0rt: plus, as jmd said, there are many many many alternatives using alternate monitors: network dispatch (to smart TV, or smartphone, video card able to output TV signal ... )
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2646 [16:49:36] <doublehp> p0rt: I live 13 months without X, in 2001, because I was too lame to install and configure it; i could still watch movies, and read Office documents, PDF, and even powerpoint things
2647 [16:49:57] <jmd> Anyway, I gotta go and brew some coffee with my toaster.
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2651 [16:50:22] <doublehp> p0rt: then, to your exact initial questino, the strict answer is: "100% impossible"
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2655 [16:50:55] <doublehp> p0rt: but with any concession, there are 1000 alternatives
2656 [16:51:13] <p0rt> doublehp: How did you get to know all this things?
2657 [16:51:39] <p0rt> doublehp: Well, I was born in 2001 so I was living without X back then too.
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2659 [16:51:54] <doublehp> p0rt: by that time, I had friends ; then, I had google; i stopped learning new things around 2006, no more time
2660 [16:52:50] <p0rt> doublehp: Ok, I'm gonna play with frambuffer then, seems like a good idea.
2661 [16:52:58] <doublehp> p0rt: google is not as good as back then, but, debian forums should help (but for general topics, Gentoo and Arch forums are way better)
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2664 [16:53:22] <doublehp> p0rt: als, stop non debian discussions in here: #linux #hardware #softwar
2665 [16:53:31] <doublehp> #networking (#software)
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2667 [16:53:54] <p0rt> doublehp: Ok, sorry.
2668 [16:53:56] <p0rt> Gotta go
2669 [16:53:56] <Urchin[emacs]> it's ##linux
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2673 [16:54:03] <p0rt> bye
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2677 [16:57:01] <doublehp> babilen: after a few hours, i just see that #debian-bugs is empty ... you made a typo ?
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2718 [17:22:31] <TomTomTosch> doublehp: irc.oftc.net
2719 [17:23:55] <doublehp> TomTomTosch: thanks, better
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2726 [17:28:16] <kingkong> i changed setting but still asking write permition on tmp .
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2734 [17:32:51] <Wulf> Hi
2735 [17:33:07] <Wulf> I want to rebuild a package with optimization/strip turned off. How to do that?
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2747 [17:40:04] <doublehp> kingkong: tmp must be this: drwxrwxrwt
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2751 [17:43:53] <han-solo> he did chmod -R 755 temp/, i guess
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2753 [17:44:08] <han-solo> s/temp/tmp
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2756 [17:46:32] <kingkong> i didnt change it. how can i find its permitions
2757 [17:47:24] <xormor> drwxrwxrwt 13 root root 4096 heinä 10 18:39 /tmp
2758 [17:48:03] <xormor> kingkong, do: "/exec -o ls -ld /tmp" without the quotation marks.
2759 [17:48:22] <han-solo> ls -l <file>
2760 [17:48:38] <xormor> ls -ld <directory>
2761 [17:48:44] <xormor> "list directory"
2762 [17:48:55] <xormor> or "list long directory"
2763 [17:49:01] <han-solo> "Everything is a file" :)
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2765 [17:49:36] <xormor> han-solo, then it is "ls -ld <file>", but the <file> must be a directory kind of "file".
2766 [17:49:40] <doublehp> han-solo: ls -l /tmp will nopt return what we need !!!
2767 [17:50:06] <xormor> man ls
2768 [17:50:11] <sypher> or "stat /tmp"
2769 [17:50:13] <baum> how could i resolve a dependency issue like that? replaced-url
2770 [17:50:42] <han-solo> we only need to see the permissions, right?
2771 [17:50:51] <xormor> "ls -ld /tmp"
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2773 [17:51:16] <han-solo> yeah, i get what you're saying
2774 [17:51:31] <sypher> stat would be the fastest way to get that information.
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2793 [18:00:46] <kingkong> xormor: /exec -o ls -ld /tmp
2794 [18:00:46] <kingkong> -bash: /exec: No such file or directory
2795 [18:01:21] <xormor> kingkong, "ls -ld /tmp"
2796 [18:01:43] <xormor> exec only works from the irc chat client.
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2798 [18:01:56] <xormor> kingkong, in the commandline it is: "ls -ld /tmp"
2799 [18:02:11] <xormor> kingkong, without the quotation marks.
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2804 [18:03:33] <kingkong> drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 4096 Jul 10 17:02 /tmp
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2813 [18:05:11] <cobalt-red> what's going on?
2814 [18:05:25] <kingkong> xormor: its same as you wrote ?
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2835 [18:13:28] <xormor> kingkong, it is correct now.
2836 [18:13:35] <xormor> drwxrwxrwt 13 root root 4096 heinä 10 19:09 /tmp
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2838 [18:14:37] <kingkong> xormor: but i still get same error
2839 [18:14:51] <xormor> kingkong, there SHOULD be no problem, but there might be some problem.
2840 [18:15:04] <kingkong> lol
2841 [18:15:14] <xormor> kingkong, try ls -lR /tmp
2842 [18:15:18] <xormor> kingkong, but the output is long
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2846 [18:16:15] <kingkong> xormor: IR with big i?
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2850 [18:19:21] <xormor> kingkong, no, small "el", "l".
2851 [18:19:44] <xormor> kingkong, "el es dash el dee slash tee em pee"
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2853 [18:19:55] <xormor> kingkong, ls -lR /tmp...
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2855 [18:19:58] <xormor> kingkong, argh...
2856 [18:20:02] <xormor> kingkong, try to figure it out
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2858 [18:20:33] <xormor> kingkong, "el es dash el ar slash tee em pee"
2859 [18:21:23] <xormor> kingkong, so you are using "AndChat"... you might want to set a font that differentiates between "I" and "l". "aye" and "el".
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2862 [18:21:59] <teraflops> holy cow
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2869 [18:25:13] <teraflops> 1l0O ^
2870 [18:25:57] <kingkong> xormor: its so much similar. hard to recognise. :)
2871 [18:26:03] <teraflops> replaced-url
2872 [18:26:43] <kingkong> i see that script renamed on github. i will reinstall it. i hope they did more than rename
2873 [18:26:43] <teraflops> I do weechat (android) never had such issue
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2875 [18:27:12] <kingkong> weechat android is an app?
2876 [18:27:19] <teraflops> yep
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2891 [18:31:54] <kingkong> i will test it later
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2922 [18:46:16] <rindolf> Hi all. I'm trying to do "apt -y dist-upgrade" on a Debian Jessie VM and I'm getting abysmal speed of 20 KB/s from security.debian.org. Is there any way to configure a mirror?
2923 [18:48:22] <Wulf> rindolf: sure, /etc/apt/sources.list
2924 [18:48:32] <rindolf> Wulf: ah, OK.
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2937 [18:54:06] <rindolf> Wulf: beautiful! Thanks.
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2964 [19:03:09] <jmcnaught> rindolf: i recommend not using -y for dist-upgrade. dist-upgrade can remove packages, it's better to have a chance to say no
2965 [19:03:39] <rindolf> jmcnaught: OK.
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2970 [19:05:48] <rindolf> jmcnaught: I hate the fact that apt/etc. are interactive in Debian - I cannot stand the delays.
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2974 [19:07:23] <DexterF> hi all
2975 [19:07:30] <jmcnaught> rindolf: on Debian stable you seldomly need to use dist-upgrade, usually "apt-get upgrade" is all you need to do and this command does not install or remove packages
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2978 [19:07:54] <rindolf> jmcnaught: ok.
2979 [19:08:03] <rindolf> DexterF: hi.
2980 [19:08:04] <jmcnaught> rindolf: however because dist-upgrade can remove packages it's best to do it interactively, especially if using non-standard repos
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2982 [19:09:21] <DexterF> I just saw in df -h a few entries for cgroup, cgmfs, tmpfs for some mount points at /run/user/<number>. then there is dirs like /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd/user.slice/user-132.slice and I have no idea how that got in. it seems to have to do with lxc, but I never did anythign with lxc on that machine
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2984 [19:10:16] <jmcnaught> DexterF: cgroups are used by systemd, they're not just an LXC feature
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2986 [19:10:45] <jmcnaught> DexterF: who is uid 132? "id 132" will tell you
2987 [19:11:19] <DexterF> jmcnaught: lightdm and nx. that's ok then. thanks.
2988 [19:11:38] <DexterF> but why does lightdm have a 1.6GB mount point to tmpfs in df?
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2993 [19:12:27] <jmcnaught> DexterF: can you show the line?
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2996 [19:13:00] <babilen> doublehp: There are, as of now, 65 people in that channel
2997 [19:13:22] <doublehp> babilen: i was on the wrong server; TomTomTosch told me
2998 [19:13:46] <doublehp> babilen: but no answer in 2h; bed time soon
2999 [19:13:47] <babilen> doublehp: All official Debian channels are on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net)
3000 [19:13:56] <DexterF> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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3003 [19:14:37] <babilen> Yeah, it is not a high volume channel. You might get an answer eventually. Didn't you re-send your report with correct content and using reportbug.debian.org as SMTP host?
3004 [19:15:42] <doublehp> babilen: twice already ...
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3006 [19:15:53] <babilen> And no reply?
3007 [19:16:00] <babilen> Which package did you report a bug against?
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3011 [19:16:23] <babilen> Did you use reportbug to generate the report?
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3015 [19:17:54] <doublehp> babilen: as i said already ... i generated the report via reportbug, and copied the report content from the file in /tmp; 10y ago, reportbug used to have an oiption to handle the case when you don't use exim; then, reportbug used to give explicit and step by step instructions
3016 [19:17:57] <jmcnaught> DexterF: i don't know why lightdm has its own /run/user/132 or why it is running under user.slice. I use GDM and it doesn't do that. The size it is showing in df is the maximum size, it's not actually using that much unless needed. According to the tmpfs man page the default size is 20% of virtual memory
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3019 [19:18:25] <doublehp> babilen: but this option has gone away; and it's not against a package; it's an interaction between partman and mkfs during nbetwork install
3020 [19:18:48] <DexterF> jmcnaught: hmm. ok. well, it sounds legit, so I'll </paranoid>
3021 [19:19:37] <doublehp> babilen: in a specific case, it can end in a situation where beginners can never install the system at all; the workaround is cat /dev/zero>/dev/sda ... not something trivial for everyone ...
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3025 [19:20:16] <jmcnaught> DexterF: system services like display managers should be running under system.slice. (slices are a systemd concept, an interface to cgroups, take a look at the output of systemd-cgls)
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3099 [19:58:52] <baum> uhm, after a dist-upgrade one of my monitors refuses to work (ati-mesa) - by chance anyone experienced something similair?
3100 [19:59:19] <baum> xrandr still detects both monitors
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3102 [19:59:35] <rindolf> baum: which version?
3103 [19:59:53] <rindolf> baum: of Debian I mean.
3104 [19:59:59] <baum> rindolf: stretch
3105 [20:00:22] <rindolf> baum: ah.
3106 [20:00:31] <petn-randall> !debian-next
3107 [20:00:31] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
3108 [20:00:34] <rindolf> baum: are you using the FOSS driver?
3109 [20:00:42] <baum> rindolf: yes
3110 [20:01:06] <petn-randall> baum: see the dpkg message above. The other channel has all the testing users, so you'll get better support over there.
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3112 [20:01:53] <baum> petn-randall: thanks
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3118 [20:06:34] <mundus2018> fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Operation not permitted
3119 [20:06:42] <mundus2018> COuld this be an openvz issue?
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3123 [20:09:27] <doublehp> mundus2018 does your use belong to right group ?
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3125 [20:09:42] <mundus2018> IM in sude
3126 [20:09:47] <mundus2018> *Im in sudo
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3136 [20:12:08] <plasmoduck> I'm thinking about building a cluster of Lenovo Core Duo's, how do I go about it?
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3139 [20:12:37] <plasmoduck> Is there any special software I need?
3140 [20:13:04] <plasmoduck> Like Beowulf
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3143 [20:14:00] <rindolf> plasmoduck: well, there's also Hadoop.
3144 [20:14:36] <plasmoduck> Whats some useful things I can use it for? Other than just doing it for the sake
3145 [20:14:54] <plasmoduck> I can get the Lenovos at $20 a pop thats why I was thinking about it
3146 [20:14:56] <rindolf> plasmoduck: is this a solution in search of a problem?
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3149 [20:15:28] <plasmoduck> rindolf, is that a riddle?
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3151 [20:15:49] <rindolf> plasmoduck: no, it'a an idiom.
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3153 [20:16:24] <plasmoduck> anyhow what could I use such computational power for at home?
3154 [20:16:47] <plasmoduck> only things I can think of is BOINC and Bitcoin mining
3155 [20:16:48] <rindolf> plasmoduck: see replaced-url
3156 [20:17:11] <rindolf> plasmoduck: bitcoin mining is faster using GPUs.
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3158 [20:18:15] <plasmoduck> botnet
3159 [20:18:38] <plasmoduck> bruteforcing
3160 [20:18:48] <jmcnaught> plasmoduck: you could use a few of them to practice making "cloud" services with ganeti or openstack
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3162 [20:19:06] <plasmoduck> jmcnaught, sounds like a good idea.
3163 [20:19:21] <rozie> plasmoduck: cost of hardware is not a problem. cost of energy is
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3165 [20:19:45] <plasmoduck> how much energy?
3166 [20:19:50] <plasmoduck> For say 6
3167 [20:19:56] <plasmoduck> core duos
3168 [20:20:01] <plasmoduck> per month
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3174 [20:25:28] <rozie> a lot
3175 [20:25:52] <Dagger> depends what they're doing. it's about 1.6 gigajoules/month per 100 watts used for 6 of them
3176 [20:25:54] <rozie> if it's laptop, I bet ~30-40W each
3177 [20:26:15] <rozie> if it's desktop, I bet 80-120W each
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3179 [20:26:41] <rozie> he want's to run some BOINC OSLT
3180 [20:26:53] <rozie> so they will run at full power
3181 [20:26:59] <Dagger> idle power might be anywhere from 10w to 100w depending on desktop vs laptop, other hardware, PSU efficiency etc. active use might be 25-250w depending on the same
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3183 [20:27:30] <plasmoduck> yes they are desktops and will be running at warp 10
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3185 [20:27:37] <mundus2018> I cant seem to be able to access /dev/fuse as root, any idea why?
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3187 [20:27:44] <Phanes> what advantages will i get installing debian that i wouldn't get with ubuntu server?
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3190 [20:28:28] <plasmoduck> Phanes, less bloatware, a better streamlined system
3191 [20:28:40] <mundus2018> I cant seem to be able to access /dev/fuse, any idea why?
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3193 [20:28:44] <mundus2018> oops sorry
3194 [20:28:55] <mundus2018> didnt seam to say that agian
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3197 [20:29:00] <plasmoduck> Phanes, think of it like comparing Windows to Linux
3198 [20:29:08] <shadowport578> hej
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3201 [20:29:37] <Phanes> is that an elitist way of saying ill be spending all my time troubleshooting configurations instead of using the services
3202 [20:29:43] <shadowport578> my sound was working perfectly fine and all the sudden it stopped working
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3204 [20:29:55] <shadowport578> what would be the best way to troubleshoot this ?
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3206 [20:30:20] <plasmoduck> Phanes, no it's just as easy to use as Ubuntu and there are GUI tools for most things.
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3209 [20:30:37] <polyzen> replaced-url
3210 [20:30:43] <plasmoduck> you will just feel better about yourself knowing you have a more pure system.
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3212 [20:30:53] <Phanes> what does 'pure' mean
3213 [20:31:12] <plasmoduck> think of a virgin and a whore
3214 [20:31:27] <miskatonic> I dislike GUI tools and avoid or disable them all the way
3215 [20:31:28] <polyzen> wat
3216 [20:31:39] <plasmoduck> Debian is the pure virgin and Ubuntu is the dirty whore everyone uses
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3219 [20:31:56] <Phanes> anybody with a clue know how to break it down
3220 [20:32:01] <plasmoduck> miskatonic, all my servers are headless and xless
3221 [20:32:07] <shadowport578> piasmoduck you got it right
3222 [20:32:14] <shadowport578> debian = noobs
3223 [20:32:22] <shadowport578> is it right ?
3224 [20:32:28] <jmcnaught> plasmoduck: please try to keep it appropriate in here
3225 [20:32:36] <sypher> And on topic.
3226 [20:32:39] <shadowport578> jmcnaught hey
3227 [20:32:44] <shadowport578> long time no see you
3228 [20:32:48] <plasmoduck> jmcnaught, sorrym I didn't think that was too bad?
3229 [20:34:00] <jmcnaught> Phanes: one big difference is how long releases are supported for. Debian's support period is shorter, but now there is the limited LTS security service that helps a bit
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3233 [20:35:20] <shadowport578> i need some help with linux network and phpmyadmin is this the right channel ?
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3236 [20:35:59] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: hey, if you're using Debian you can ask here. If there's a better channel someone might recommend it
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3238 [20:36:27] <shadowport578> cool
3239 [20:36:43] <shadowport578> jmcnaught so i did install phpmyadmin
3240 [20:36:44] <shadowport578> and
3241 [20:36:58] <jmcnaught> Phanes: i've also found that some of the packages in Ubuntu universe have bugs that don't exist in Debian (because Ubuntu takes a snapshot of Debian unstable but doesn't necessarily focus very much on those packages)
3242 [20:37:02] <shadowport578> it says "Please choose the web server that should be automatically configured to run phpMyAdmin."
3243 [20:37:11] <shadowport578> but i dont see nginx
3244 [20:37:27] <shadowport578> its only apache2 and lighttpd
3245 [20:37:33] <Phanes> hrm, well, ill stay in channel and listen in, and go with ubuntu server for this project for the time being since i can't get any meaningful breakdowns. cant take chances without reasons but ive heard good things about debian for a long time now
3246 [20:37:53] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: it's possible that the package maintainers haven't added support for automatically configuring nginx
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3248 [20:38:04] <Phanes> so that might change soon after i know more about what im looking at
3249 [20:38:44] <shadowport578> jmcnaught hmm what would you recommend to do ?
3250 [20:39:07] <jmcnaught> Phanes: the truth is that both use the same software, and there are even a lot of common developers between Debian and Ubuntu. The biggest differences are in how the projects are organized really
3251 [20:39:23] <quinnw> Shadow does it have an option to manually configure?
3252 [20:39:46] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: If it were me I'd already be using Apache2, but if it has an option to skip automatic configuration you can just set up nginx manually
3253 [20:39:51] <shadowport578> no i dont see it there
3254 [20:40:03] <shadowport578> oh
3255 [20:40:03] <quinnw> Ok
3256 [20:40:11] <shadowport578> could you guide me through this ?
3257 [20:40:11] <miskatonic> in debian, avoiding non-free software is easier. That's my difference.
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3265 [20:42:25] <quinnw> mach_k_away: any chance you could turn that off?
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3272 [20:44:15] <shadowport578> jmcnaught ?
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3275 [20:44:54] <maziar> hello everyone, i want to add user, that user can edit files under /var/replaced-url
3276 [20:45:01] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: i'm not really very experienced with nginx. any reason you can't use apache?
3277 [20:45:13] <rindolf> maziar: then put it under the replaced-url
3278 [20:45:47] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: you should also look at /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin to see if there's a README.Debian or maybe example nginx configs.
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3281 [20:46:10] <shadowport578> jmcnaught i need to know this because the company..
3282 [20:46:18] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: the phpmyadmin package configures apache with mod_php, for nginx you'll need to use php-fpm instead
3283 [20:46:35] <shadowport578> oh
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3285 [20:46:43] <shadowport578> but how do i find it ?
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3287 [20:46:56] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: find what?
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3290 [20:47:24] <danboid> Is there a live CD for stretch/testing?
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3292 [20:47:35] <shadowport578> php-fpm like look im in the process of installation
3293 [20:47:40] <shadowport578> i cant see that option
3294 [20:47:47] <maziar> rindolf i use this command : usermod -aG replaced-url
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3296 [20:47:55] <maziar> rindolf but not works, why ?
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3298 [20:48:13] <rindolf> maziar: can you see it in /etc/group ?
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3300 [20:48:43] <TomTomTosch> ,i php5-fpm
3301 [20:48:44] <judd> Package php5-fpm (php, optional) in jessie/amd64: server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (FPM-CGI binary). Version: 5.6.20+dfsg-0+deb8u1; Size: 2144.6k; Installed: 8905k; Homepage: replaced-url
3302 [20:49:06] <shadowport578> i will look into this
3303 [20:49:09] <maziar> rindolf in /etc/group : username:x:1002:
3304 [20:49:09] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: if you want to use nginx with the phpmyadmin package, and the package doesn't configure it automatically, you'll need to do it manually
3305 [20:49:36] <rindolf> maziar: that's the wrong line.
3306 [20:49:46] <rindolf> maziar: what happens in replaced-url
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3308 [20:50:32] <maziar> rindolf yes it is on replaced-url
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3311 [20:50:41] <danboid> Do Deb live cds only get produced for stable releases?
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3313 [20:51:12] <rindolf> maziar: ok, then it should work after a reboot or similar.
3314 [20:51:29] <rindolf> maziar: assuming you have group write permissions.
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3316 [20:52:33] <maziar> rindolf is there any other thing istance rebooting
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3320 [20:54:01] <rindolf> maziar: what?
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3326 [20:56:34] <maziar> rindolf i restarted the server but not work yet, why ?
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3328 [20:57:46] <rindolf> maziar: what doesn't work?
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3330 [20:57:58] <rindolf> maziar: what are the symptoms of the problem?
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3332 [20:58:42] <maziar> i can not edit file under /var/replaced-url
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3335 [20:59:10] <rindolf> maziar: what are the permissions of the file?
3336 [20:59:19] <rindolf> maziar: what does ls -l say about it?
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3338 [20:59:59] <maziar> rindolf replaced-url
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3340 [21:00:30] <rindolf> maziar: and the permissions?
3341 [21:00:36] <rindolf> maziar: give me the whole "ls -l" line
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3343 [21:00:54] <rindolf> maziar: I'm not talking about user/group ownership.
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3350 [21:01:04] <maziar> -rwxr-xr-x 1 replaced-url
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3352 [21:01:29] <shadowport578> anyidea how to troubleshoot sound
3353 [21:01:30] <shadowport578> ?
3354 [21:01:41] <shadowport578> for some reason it stoped working
3355 [21:01:44] <rindolf> maziar: ok, you don't have write permissions for the group to that file.
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3358 [21:01:58] <maziar> rindolf 775 is ok ?
3359 [21:02:10] <rindolf> maziar: do "chmod 775 /var/replaced-url
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3361 [21:04:04] <TomTomTosch> shadowport578: install pavucontrol, check the output device. or use the sound application that is part of your DE.
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3363 [21:05:49] <shadowport578> i did install that and everything looks correct
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3365 [21:06:00] <shadowport578> TomTomTosch it is set up at 100%
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3372 [21:08:18] <teraflops> shadowport578: paste the output of pactl list sinks to replaced-url
3373 [21:08:31] <maziar> rindolf how to chmod 775 to all directory and subdirectory in /var/replaced-url
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3376 [21:09:03] <rindolf> maziar: add -R
3377 [21:09:08] <teraflops> -R, looks like you want to read man chmod
3378 [21:09:12] <rindolf> maziar: chmod -R 775 ...
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3382 [21:10:06] <shadowport578> teraflops one moment
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3385 [21:10:22] <pykno-paron> great summer song ! replaced-url
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3392 [21:12:48] <shadowport578> teraflops replaced-url
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3407 [21:17:41] <teraflops> shadowport578: are using the hdmi?
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3414 [21:19:54] <shadowport578> teraflops i dont have anything plugged in just as it is
3415 [21:20:40] <teraflops> so you are using the built-in card and no sound?
3416 [21:20:49] <shadowport578> yes
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3418 [21:21:28] <teraflops> if yes, look at alsamixer press f5 choose your card and check nothing is muted
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3425 [21:25:31] <timothywcrane> I am looking for a php file manager for my deb8 LAMP to comb over my file chown chgrp needs w/o squinting into the shell or installing a dte. The ability to change groups is a big plus. Any suggestions or better channel to ask in? Thanks in advance
3426 [21:25:34] <shadowport578> teraflops the speaker had nothing
3427 [21:26:04] <LinuxIsGreat> Hello, I am having issues with reinstalling some packages. I am trying to reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx, however when I run "apt-get install reinstall libglq-mesa-glx" it gives me this error "Reinstallation of libgl1-mesa-glx is not possible, it cannot be downloaded." Any ideas of how I can reinstall it?
3428 [21:26:12] <shadowport578> teraflops but still no sound
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3430 [21:26:22] <shadowport578> maybe it needs a restart ?
3431 [21:26:23] <somiaj> LinuxIsGreat: try running apt-get update first?
3432 [21:26:28] <LinuxIsGreat> I have mutliply times;
3433 [21:26:50] <timothywcrane> Did you uninstall or purge the old app?
3434 [21:27:11] <LinuxIsGreat> As in libgl1.... ?
3435 [21:27:38] <rindolf> LinuxIsGreat: aren't you missing some dashes?
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3437 [21:27:52] <shadowport578> teraflops shouild automute be enabled ?
3438 [21:28:04] <timothywcrane> It could be holding onto bad configs. sudo apt-get purge APP ..... then reinstall. Might help.
3439 [21:28:21] <LinuxIsGreat> not to my knowlage. I went ahead and searched it up on "apt search libgl1-mesa-glx" and it showed up as the one I wanted, and no other varients that have a differnce of dashes
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3441 [21:28:56] <LinuxIsGreat> timothywcrane, I am a little "nervous" about doing so, as If it doesn't work I could just simply be stuck without it.
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3443 [21:29:02] <docmur> I'm running htop I see the red thread (kernel) running at 100% of all my cores, according to htop it's the /sbin/getty 38400 tty# processes, they seem to be running at 100%, how I can determine why?
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3448 [21:30:33] <LinuxIsGreat> And I purged it an it is removing gnome
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3451 [21:30:53] <LinuxIsGreat> Well.. I stopped it, but what will happen when I restart
3452 [21:31:32] <timothywcrane> You hit no
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3455 [21:31:54] <LinuxIsGreat> ? I had to ctrl x or something whilst it was doing its thing
3456 [21:32:06] <timothywcrane> You should be fine
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3461 [21:32:27] <LinuxIsGreat> I can always reinstall it, even if it is an issue, just a pain.
3462 [21:32:37] <LinuxIsGreat> gnome)
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3465 [21:33:06] <timothywcrane> Why the reinstall to begin with?
3466 [21:33:13] <LinuxIsGreat> Nevermind..
3467 [21:33:29] <LinuxIsGreat> Give me a minute, or 10, Im restarting. SEe what happens :)
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3474 [21:37:57] <wicd> Hello
3475 [21:37:58] <wicd> I am getting this problem replaced-url
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3490 [21:46:02] <timothywcrane> Anyone know if you can chgrp in phpFileManager? or any other similar project? I only see all of them promoting chown features.
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3493 [21:47:24] <shadowport578> i think i have a bad luck or something, trying to install nginx and im getting this error replaced-url
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3495 [21:47:43] <shadowport578> how can i fix this ?
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3500 [21:50:27] <moon__> ik this might be offtopic, but is anyone willing to attempt to exploit my linux system i use to give a bot it's shell interface? im trying to find and block/patch potential exploits
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3505 [21:51:52] <jmcnaught> timothywcrane: you might need to try a few out to find the one you're looking for
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3507 [21:53:21] <jmcnaught> moon__: this isn't a very good request to make. It's impossible for any volunteer to know that the system they are trying to exploit actually belongs to you and not some mark
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3509 [21:53:44] <moon__> oh, true :L
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3511 [21:54:20] <moon__> but i do have root access, it does belong to me :P
3512 [21:54:52] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: the error says to look at 'journalctl -xn' for more details. You could add '-u nginx' to that to filter for only message from nginx
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3514 [21:55:06] <timothywcrane> I will... just though someone might have remembered chgrping through one... rtfm on a few now...
3515 [21:55:29] <shadowport578> jmcnaught right i can try
3516 [21:56:23] <moon__> well, if someone wants to try, the bot interface is #hbot, and it runs debian 8 amd64
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3518 [21:56:40] <shadowport578> jmcnaught Failed to start A high performance web server and a reverse proxy server.
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3521 [21:57:29] <shadowport578> Unit nginx.service entered failed state.
3522 [21:57:31] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: as i said earlier i'm not that familiar with nginx but making a paste of the full output will get you better help
3523 [21:57:35] <shadowport578> defined by systemd
3524 [21:57:43] <shadowport578> true
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3526 [21:58:02] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: what version of nginx are you using? what does "apt-cache policy nginx" say?
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3536 [21:59:39] <shadowport578> jmcnaught replaced-url
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3539 [22:00:29] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: probably nginx cannot start because of a problem in its config files
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3543 [22:01:27] <shadowport578> jmcnaught take a look at this replaced-url
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3545 [22:01:36] <shadowport578> i run those two commands
3546 [22:01:42] <shadowport578> and thats what i got
3547 [22:01:43] <XndrK> How do I change the super key's binding?
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3549 [22:02:00] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: something else is running on port 80
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3552 [22:02:20] <XndrK> Right now, it's press ESC, lift, then hit your next key. I want it to be hold Super and whatever key.
3553 [22:02:22] <shadowport578> does it matter if its public wifi ?
3554 [22:03:02] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: no, it means that you have another webserver already running. What does "systemctl status apache2" say?
3555 [22:03:44] <wicd> Brb I will try something
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3557 [22:04:33] <diego__> hello, I think there is a problem with wine32-tools package in jessie, since it contains /usr/bin/winegcc32 that is a script that involves /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/winebuild and /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/winegcc but both have wrong path: should be in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/bin/winegcc and /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/bin/winebuild (I think), can anybody confirm this?
3558 [22:04:38] <shadowport578> jmcnaught replaced-url
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3560 [22:05:06] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: how do you interpret this?
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3562 [22:06:00] <shadowport578> that the apache is running but the nginx is not
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3565 [22:06:45] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: yes, and both want to use port 80. apache2 was probably pulled in as a dependency of phpmyadmin
3566 [22:06:56] <shadowport578> ohh
3567 [22:07:04] <shadowport578> how do i shut down this ?
3568 [22:07:13] <shadowport578> or maybe even delete ?
3569 [22:07:29] <shadowport578> so i can start over again ?
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3573 [22:08:38] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: you'll probably want to remove apache2. Take a look at "apt-cache show phpmyadmin" and look at its depends. The '|' means 'or'. So if you have php5-cgi or php5-fpm installed, it won't install libapache2-mod-php5 (which is listed first)
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3578 [22:13:00] <Zliba> sshfs -o reconnect <<--- What is the meaning of this option?
3579 [22:13:03] <shadowport578> jmcnaught you right replaced-url
3580 [22:14:01] <shadowport578> so should i run apt-purge apache2 ?
3581 [22:14:38] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: you probably have more than one apache package. What does "aptitude search ~napache" say? Also why not use apache?
3582 [22:15:30] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: before you do anything else, you could try going to replaced-url
3583 [22:16:06] <shadowport578> jmcnaught replaced-url
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3585 [22:16:48] <shadowport578> Unable to connect
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3587 [22:17:11] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: oh sorry, that's a list of all apache packages available. I meant to type "aptitude search ~i~napache" (the ~i part filters for installed packages)
3588 [22:17:21] <shadowport578> np one sec
3589 [22:18:36] <shadowport578> jmcnaught replaced-url
3590 [22:19:41] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: if you want to remove them all you can do "aptitude remove ~i~napache" but pay attention to the prompt in case it wants to remove more than those five packages
3591 [22:20:02] <shadowport578> ok
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3594 [22:21:41] <shadowport578> jmcnaught now i can start over again i guess
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3596 [22:22:04] <shadowport578> how should i do it the right way now ?
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3601 [22:23:21] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: something like "apt-get install phpmyadmin php5-fpm nginx" but then you will need to configure nginx and php5-fpm to use phpmyadmin
3602 [22:24:14] <shadowport578> ok let me try this
3603 [22:24:16] <jmcnaught> if you're fine with running phpmyadmin in the default FPM pool (which runs as the user replaced-url
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3606 [22:24:49] <shadowport578> what do you think would be easier ?
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3608 [22:25:22] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: i think the easiest is to use the default apache2 and mod_php with phpmyadmin
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3611 [22:25:58] <shadowport578> ok so let me verify this before i mess up something lol
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3613 [22:26:19] <shadowport578> apt-get install phpmyadmin and then apt-get install nginx ?
3614 [22:26:21] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: i have in the past configured phpmyadmin under apache2 and php5-fpm. I don't have anything like that running right now, but I do have an Ansible playbook role that configures it
3615 [22:26:33] <shadowport578> oh
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3617 [22:26:55] <shadowport578> i need to learn this thats why im struggling
3618 [22:27:08] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: you can list multiple packages in the install command. You need php5-fpm installed before or at the same time as phpmyadmin otherwise it will pull in libapache2-mod-php5 again
3619 [22:27:19] <shadowport578> ohh
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3622 [22:27:56] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: debian-reference and debian-handbook are both pretty good. they're available as packages to install locally, or at replaced-url
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3626 [22:29:03] <shadowport578> thanks jmcnaught
3627 [22:29:07] <shadowport578> question
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3629 [22:29:43] <shadowport578> how long do you think it will take to be decent in working with linux systemes and network administration ?
3630 [22:30:04] <shadowport578> like can i learn this in less thank 2 weeks ?
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3632 [22:30:19] <shadowport578> than*
3633 [22:30:26] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: it's different for everyone, depending on how much time you put into it and how serious you are about reading documentation
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3636 [22:31:10] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: if you work on this stuff for a few hours every day you'll make a lot of progress in a couple of weeks, but it will take longer than that to get proficient
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3640 [22:31:53] <shadowport578> jmcnaught i see
3641 [22:32:00] <shadowport578> i will try to spend like 15 hours a day
3642 [22:32:01] <jmcnaught> nobody ever gets to a point where they can stop learning, people do sysadmin work for decades still have to keep learning as the technology evolves
3643 [22:32:11] <shadowport578> yes true
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3646 [22:32:33] <shadowport578> the goal is to be able to be have enough knowledge for technical support work
3647 [22:33:08] <shadowport578> there is no more money in coding since all the jobs are in 3rd world countries
3648 [22:33:18] <shadowport578> so yeah it suks but this is the reality
3649 [22:33:26] <shadowport578> -be
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3651 [22:33:52] <shadowport578> jmcnaught i gotta go
3652 [22:33:57] <shadowport578> you were a great help
3653 [22:33:58] <shadowport578> !
3654 [22:34:07] <shadowport578> thanks a lot
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3656 [22:34:27] <jmcnaught> shadowport578: you're welcome. good luck, and take a crack at working though the debian-reference book
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3658 [22:34:51] <shadowport578> definitely
3659 [22:34:55] <shadowport578> ttyl
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3721 [23:01:54] <jenia> hello
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3723 [23:02:52] <jenia> I'm at the end of my strength with Wifi and debian. Can someone please help me? I want to use `gnome-netowork-manager` and their `nm-applet` cause wicd bugs at "verifying authentication"
3724 [23:03:08] <jenia> but somehow wifi isn't working smoothly
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3726 [23:03:43] <jenia> sometimes it doesn't work at all, then I connect/disconnect X 10 and hope for the best and sometimes it work for 5 minutes
3727 [23:03:53] <jenia> how do I make this work correctly?
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3732 [23:05:19] <jenia_> hello. It's me from my debian connection. Right now, wifi happens to work somehow
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3738 [23:06:52] <jenia> it just stoppped working all of a sudden
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3741 [23:09:52] <jenia> why have two network managers when none of them works correctly? Never understood this
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3744 [23:10:43] <wondiws> does anyone here know how the MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) works?
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3747 [23:11:12] <wondiws> I got it working on my windows pc with WMP, but what software do I use on Debian?
3748 [23:11:26] <wondiws> I can browse my music and pictures, and delete, in Nautilus
3749 [23:11:36] <wondiws> but I haven't figured out how to upload
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3753 [23:13:41] <AimHere> wondiws, mtp-tools gives you the main command-line tools for working with mtp clients
3754 [23:14:15] <wondiws> AimHere, it doesn't detect anything, although I'm connected with Nautilus (that's gvfs, right?)
3755 [23:14:56] <awal1> When I got a dell laptop (windows 8), right now formated, I got one usb key for recover window. lsblk/gparted list it as sdb1. I want format it and use for my debian system as a normal usb but gparted doesn't give me the usual option for format. How can I solve this?
3756 [23:15:51] <awal1> wanna format it as fat 32 for use it with my debian (store documents, multimedia and so...) ^
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3760 [23:18:12] <awal1> there is a lock beside that key, so it's locked. (that's what I see in both gparted and thunar)
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3764 [23:21:45] <somiaj> awal1: is this in the installer?
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3766 [23:22:36] <somiaj> awal1: Is there a physical lock on the usb drive to make it read only?
3767 [23:24:46] <BinBasher> Could anyone tell me whether the last two steps in replaced-url
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3770 [23:26:09] <awal1> somiaj, I have no idea what that usb key includes exactly. when I bought that dell laptop, dell company also sent me an usb key and they told me it's for recover windows if at anytime I format it. I formated that dell laptop the same day I bought it and installed in it debian. So I guess it's a key for recover windows8 bcoz thunar mounts it and I see that the content: boot, efi, bootmgr, setup.exe. I see a lock beside each folder
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3774 [23:28:19] <awal1> langpacks, bootmgr.efi, sources and more windows stuff I see. No, there is no a physical lock, somiaj
3775 [23:28:32] <Nematocyst__> where do i post problems with debian stretch, is this channel ok?
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3779 [23:29:27] <unborn> Nematocyst__: i think debian-next
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3782 [23:29:39] <Nematocyst__> i tried that. said it was invite only
3783 [23:29:40] <teraflops> BinBasher: if you do bumblebee you don't need xorg.conf, and if you do nvidia blob you have to check that nouveau is blacklisted, you better use replaced-url
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3786 [23:30:35] <teraflops> BinBasher: also what's your real problem?
3787 [23:30:41] <unborn> Nematocyst__: replaced-url
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3791 [23:31:15] <LinuxIsGreat> hello, so o managed to screwup my desktop enviorment.. anyone know how i can.. fix it? apt-get install gnome-desktop returns no installation canadite.
3792 [23:31:48] <Nematocyst__> i can't call it a bug yet. having trouble starting services to even diagnose the issue i'm having
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3795 [23:32:03] <awal1> somiaj, ok, problem solved. thanks for your attention anyway. I just had to unmount it and now I have the option to format it (thunar automount have confused me )
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3801 [23:33:33] <teraflops> awal1: lsblk ;)
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3807 [23:34:09] <Nematocyst__> the irony is that i got stretch when trying to obtain jessie. didn't find out until first boot
3808 [23:34:33] <awal1> teraflops, yeah, i have used it for list it :P
3809 [23:34:45] * [Serbian] hello
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3816 [23:38:04] <teraflops> silly automounting, and still people complains about not having it for external drives
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3822 [23:39:14] <jenia> did any of you managed to make WIFI work on Debian?
3823 [23:39:26] <jenia> I spent many many hours and didn't manage to do it
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3825 [23:40:10] <debidi> jenia: wpa_supplicant
3826 [23:41:02] <jenia> wpa_supplicant? alright thanks.I'll check it out
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3828 [23:42:15] <teraflops> jenia: sure, what are you doing exactly? take a look at replaced-url
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3833 [23:44:38] <jenia> debidi: I already have wpasupplicant installed
3834 [23:44:54] <AirPlanes> help
3835 [23:44:55] <AirPlanes> replaced-url
3836 [23:44:58] <AirPlanes> after i wrote sudo apt-get update
3837 [23:45:03] <jenia> I'm not sure what already I need to do
3838 [23:45:04] <unborn> jenia: whats your wifi chip?
3839 [23:45:20] <teraflops> jenia: replaced-url
3840 [23:45:27] <debidi> ^
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3842 [23:45:47] <jenia> unborn: I forgot. sorry. but gnome-netowkr-manager works (and then stops, then works after 10X connect/disconnect)
3843 [23:46:37] <jenia> teraflops: I went through this
3844 [23:46:39] <debidi> i'd just stick to cli/ifupdown when it comes to network ifaces
3845 [23:46:48] <AirPlanes> anyone read?
3846 [23:46:52] <awal1> Hmmm, unmounting that f*** windows usb key I have the option fot format it but when I try to format it as fat32, or eliminate it, or create a new partition table, Gparted displays an error message "Can't write to /dev/sdb because it is opened read only". Suggestions?
3847 [23:47:13] <unborn> jenia: yeh perhaps wrong driver or something..
3848 [23:47:26] <debidi> awal1: sudo gparted ?
3849 [23:47:37] <jenia> debidi: very interesting. But how do I instruct it to connect to a specific network?
3850 [23:47:58] <awal1> debidi, running gparted as root , of course :P
3851 [23:48:16] <debidi> awal1: ok, check permissions for /dev/sdb (stat /dev/sdb)
3852 [23:48:31] <unborn> AirPlanes: its srv error
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3855 [23:48:38] <debidi> jenia: replaced-url
3856 [23:48:44] <AirPlanes> what is mean? unborn
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3858 [23:50:18] <bipul> What is lock file? And why it is being used?
3859 [23:50:24] <awal1> debidi, output looks correct replaced-url
3860 [23:50:46] <debidi> AirPlanes: try different server in your /etc/apt/sources.list
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3862 [23:50:49] <jenia> unborn: yea, I think that'll be the best option for me
3863 [23:50:51] <jenia> thanks a lot
3864 [23:50:52] <jenia> ;)
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3866 [23:51:02] <TomTomTosch> bipul: lock files are being used to manage resources that should only be accessed by one process at a time.
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3868 [23:51:44] <bipul> TomTomTosch, For instance?
3869 [23:51:59] <AirPlanes> debidi, how ?
3870 [23:52:00] <debidi> awal1: does the key have a physical read-only/rw switch ?
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3874 [23:52:20] <debidi> awal1: also check if kernel says anything related (dmesg | tail)
3875 [23:52:44] <TomTomTosch> bipul: devices, or a data that should stay consistent.
3876 [23:52:55] <TomTomTosch> s/a//
3877 [23:53:00] <AirPlanes> debidi, how ?
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3880 [23:53:51] <LinuxAndCake> Hello, I accidentally deleted my desktop enviorment.. Any ideas on bring it back, or something like xfce4?
3881 [23:53:54] <debidi> AirPlanes: edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list (as root) and replace all occurrences of "replaced-url
3882 [23:53:55] <AirPlanes> please how do i change server?
3883 [23:54:01] <awal1> debidi, no, no physical stuff
3884 [23:54:07] <AirPlanes> thank s debidi i hope it will work
3885 [23:54:07] <bipul> TomTomTosch, Thank you, Between i wish if you could give me a real time example scenario.
3886 [23:54:19] <LinuxAndCake> (and when I do something like apt-get install xfce4 or gnome-desktop it tells me no installation canidate
3887 [23:54:20] <unborn> LinuxAndCake: apt-get install gnome or others
3888 [23:54:35] <debidi> awal1: then "apt-get update", also keep a backup of old file
3889 [23:54:43] <debidi> i mean AirPlanes ^
3890 [23:54:44] <bipul> Any link? or document if you would like to share with me ?
3891 [23:54:50] <awal1> :D
3892 [23:54:52] <LinuxAndCake> package "gnome" has no installation canidate.
3893 [23:55:02] <awal1> nothing relevant in dmes
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3895 [23:55:13] <AirPlanes> debidi, what?
3896 [23:55:18] <AirPlanes> now i am confused
3897 [23:55:31] <AirPlanes> oh
3898 [23:55:33] <AirPlanes> thanks
3899 [23:55:46] <awal1> probably the key have the feature of write protected for prevent data loss
3900 [23:56:09] <unborn> LinuxAndCake: replaced-url
3901 [23:56:20] <babilen> dpkg: tell AirPlanes -about jessie sources.list
3902 [23:56:22] <TomTomTosch> bipul: it's just a kind of semaphore. you will find more if you google it.
3903 [23:56:26] <awal1> googling sounds like the solution is put it in garbage
3904 [23:56:26] <babilen> dpkg: tell AirPlanes -about httpredir.debian.org
3905 [23:56:36] <LtL> LinuxAndCake: apt-cache search task-gnome-desktop
3906 [23:56:41] <bipul> TomTomTosch, Yes i am doing it
3907 [23:57:03] <unborn> LinuxAndCake: or here replaced-url
3908 [23:57:21] <wondiws> if gvfs connect to my phone with MTP, can I still connect it using other MTP clients, like gMTP?
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3911 [23:59:05] <AirPlanes> babilen, thanks
3912 [23:59:06] <babilen> dpkg: show sources.list
3913 [23:59:06] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
3914 [23:59:16] <babilen> LinuxAndCake: Could you paste the output of ^
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