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29 [00:09:17] <xbytemx> petn-randall: I think that taskwarrior its a great option
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77 [00:35:40] <Neville> jhutchins: xrandr is available under Debian; yet I can't find any webpages describing it's usage under Debian; or installing a ICC color profile. Any ideas pointing me in the right direction would be appreciated?
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86 [00:39:56] <somiaj> Neville: you should be able to use any general info for xorg/xrandr (since it is just xorg) in debian
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160 [01:12:40] <ProfessorKaos64> what debian package dictates your mesa stack version in use? e.g. 10.6.3
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170 [01:23:54] <komugi> I'm trying to configure my apache2 right now but it's throwing this error: replaced-url
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173 [01:24:39] <komugi> any suggestions
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175 [01:26:08] <ScottE> komugi: This is useful to parse configuration files when there's nothing useful in the error log: "apache2 -V -f /etc/apache2/apache2.conf" adjust the config file parameter as appropriate. -V verifies the configuration.
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179 [01:26:51] <komugi> thanks
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188 [01:30:00] <awal1> So when apt-get ask y/n for procced with the install/upgrade if by mistake one press enter without answering yes (y) or no (n) apt-get interprets that as yes?
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192 [01:31:13] <awal1> how to prevent that and make apt continue only if one write y or n?
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194 [01:33:05] <awal1> or maybe i'm the only one having that issue :P
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196 [01:33:39] <cmtptr> probably. if you solve this, will your next problem be that you sometimes accidentally hit the y key?
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199 [01:34:07] <mrrhq> awal1: Haha, yeah, enter or y means the same. There might be an "assume no/yes" option in apt.conf
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202 [01:34:40] <mrrhq> I think assume-yes just makes it default to yes, actually...
203 [01:35:21] <awal1> mrrhq, ok i dont knew that apt interprets enter as yes
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205 [01:35:45] <awal1> using dual monitor here and got confused sometimes hitting Enter
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209 [01:36:05] <mrrhq> I should say the prompt defaults to y, because the Y is capital in "[Y/n]"
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211 [01:36:23] <mrrhq> In a [y/N] prompt, enter means no.
212 [01:36:50] <awal1> I use spanish locales and no capital here
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214 [01:36:56] <awal1> only s/n
215 [01:37:05] <AirPlanes> help me please
216 [01:37:05] <awal1> s = yes, n= no
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218 [01:37:23] <mrrhq> awal1: Oh interesting. I did not know that. :)
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229 [01:41:10] <AirPlanes2> help me please
230 [01:41:14] <AirPlanes2> replaced-url
231 [01:41:20] <AirPlanes2> i wrote sudo apt-get update
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236 [01:42:32] <TomTomTosch> AirPlanes2: you have a typo in the url.
237 [01:42:39] <AirPlanes2> ok
238 [01:42:54] <AirPlanes2> i don't
239 [01:43:13] <TomTomTosch> you do, it's 'debian' not 'debin'
240 [01:43:26] <AirPlanes2> you are 100% correct
241 [01:43:28] <AirPlanes2> thanks a lot
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243 [01:43:30] <awal1> mrrhq, excuses, also in spanish it's S/n. anyway, nvm :P
244 [01:43:43] <AirPlanes2> was a typo
245 [01:43:53] <AirPlanes2> now i got gpg error
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249 [01:44:36] <TomTomTosch> AirPlanes2: mozilla.debian.net has an explenation on how to get the key.
250 [01:44:59] <AirPlanes2> TomTomTosch, i followed this replaced-url
251 [01:45:36] <TomTomTosch> just do what replaced-url
252 [01:45:44] <AirPlanes2> mmkay
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256 [01:47:53] <AirPlanes2> i did wget replaced-url
257 [01:47:57] <AirPlanes2> but how to open it
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259 [01:48:41] <AirPlanes2> i did apt-get install pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring_1.1_all (i hope im right)
260 [01:49:42] <cafuego> AirPlanes2: Usually you'd use dpkg. 'dpkg -i pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring_1.1_all.deb'
261 [01:49:59] <TomTomTosch> apt-get install pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring
262 [01:50:12] <AirPlanes2> hmm
263 [01:50:13] <AirPlanes2> ok
264 [01:50:14] <cafuego> AirPlanes2: and then you can check its status with 'dpkg -l | grep pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring'
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268 [01:50:38] <cafuego> If that line starts with 'ii' , it's deinitely installed.
269 [01:50:39] <TomTomTosch> it's in the main repo, no need to download the .deb
270 [01:50:51] <AirPlanes2> TomTomTosch, I already have that package
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274 [01:51:57] <AirPlanes2> hmm i hope it will work
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278 [01:53:10] <sm00th> so I'm trying to chroot and reinstall kernel. don't know what happened.
279 [01:54:38] <AirPlanes2> i missing keys :(
280 [01:54:38] <windows10-user> hey sm00th
281 [01:54:43] <sm00th> I have an issue where after removing nvidia driver. booting into nouveau driver. and then installing an nvidia driver from backports.
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283 [01:54:59] <sm00th> now debian won't boot says cryptsetup: lvm not available after typing in my encryption passwd.
284 [01:55:18] <TomTomTosch> AirPlanes2: read mdn again, it says it clearly.
285 [01:55:31] <sbstn> sm00th: sounds like your initrd missing lvm modules
286 [01:55:37] <sm00th> so now after chrooting and trying to update or update initramfs or reinstalling kernel, i keep getting error
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289 [01:56:04] <sm00th> Warning: failed to determine cipher modules to load
290 [01:56:08] <sm00th> sbstn, how to fix?
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293 [01:57:24] <AirPlanes2> TomTomTosch, im posting image ok?
294 [01:57:50] <AirPlanes2> replaced-url
295 [01:57:58] <sbstn> sm00th: you should be able to add modules manually to initrd using /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and then running update-initramfs
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297 [01:58:51] <sbstn> sm00th if you can boot into recovery environment succesfully (using eg. debian install media) you can check what modules you got loaded with lsmod
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299 [01:59:04] <sm00th> sbstn, i'm wondering if i'm chrooting properly is there some guide on how to bind proper directories. its saying is/dev mounted?
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301 [02:00:27] <sbstn> sm00th: I suppose you could bind mount /sys and /proc into your chroot before chrooting
302 [02:00:36] <AirPlanes2> I don't have /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg pkg-mozilla-maintainers
303 [02:00:47] <sbstn> sm00th: /sys, /proc and /dev
304 [02:00:54] <AirPlanes2> oh i see!
305 [02:00:59] <AirPlanes2> no
306 [02:01:10] <AirPlanes2> is the debian-keyring.pgp is replaced-url
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309 [02:02:41] <TomTomTosch> AirPlanes2: 'apt-cache policy debian-keyring' to paste.debian.net please.
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312 [02:03:26] <AirPlanes2> how do i do that? im in tty1
313 [02:03:45] <AirPlanes2> !topic
314 [02:03:48] <AirPlanes2> .topic
315 [02:03:54] <sm00th> sbstn, I don't even use lvm which is whats confusing
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318 [02:04:09] <TomTomTosch> AirPlanes2: apt-cache policy debian-keyring | pastebinit
319 [02:04:17] <AirPlanes2> thanks
320 [02:05:06] <TomTomTosch> also, don't do everything in a root console, that's suicidal.
321 [02:05:26] <AirPlanes2> im in virtual machine
322 [02:05:31] <TomTomTosch> so what?
323 [02:05:34] <AirPlanes2> i am not in sudeors file
324 [02:05:37] <AirPlanes2> i don't know
325 [02:05:41] <AirPlanes2> replaced-url
326 [02:05:43] <sbstn> sm00th: you sure about that? you checked your crypttab and fstab?
327 [02:05:56] <sm00th> ya i made it ext4 during install
328 [02:06:05] <AirPlanes2> TomTomTosch, maybe after that you can give me link what you meant so i can read?
329 [02:06:15] <TomTomTosch> AirPlanes2: apt-get install debian-keyring, then do the gpg test again.
330 [02:06:17] <sm00th> not sure how this happened, i know there was a recent kernel update, but it was find. it was after i installed a new nvidia driver.
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332 [02:06:30] <sm00th> maybe cause I installed headers again?
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335 [02:07:04] <TomTomTosch> AirPlanes2: but as mdn states, '1 signature not checked' is expected.
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338 [02:07:23] <sm00th> sbstn, i'm chrooting from another debian partition would that work?
339 [02:07:24] <AirPlanes2> TomTomTosch, and?
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342 [02:07:31] <TomTomTosch> AirPlanes2: and what?
343 [02:07:36] <sbstn> sm00th: you can use lsblk to see your block device configuration
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345 [02:07:55] <AirPlanes2> TomTomTosch, and what I suppose to say?
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348 [02:08:19] <sm00th> sbstn, i keep getting this error when trying to update-initramfs from chroot cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to determine cipher modules to load
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351 [02:08:58] <AirPlanes2> it said publlic key not found
352 [02:09:05] <sm00th> i binded the dev /sys /proc and /dev/pts
353 [02:09:24] <Agent_Smith_BR> hi all, I have included a script in my rc.local and all stdout are been recorded on rsyslog... how can I avoid that?
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355 [02:09:53] <AirPlanes2> it works
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358 [02:10:56] <AirPlanes2> firefox not installed
359 [02:11:18] <AirPlanes2> i believe i suppose to do that $ apt-get install -t jessie-backports firefox
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361 [02:11:41] <Agent_Smith_BR> I'd like to disable the syslog just for this script started from rc.loca.... is this possible?
362 [02:11:47] <AirPlanes2> ok now its installing but i have no idea what i just did
363 [02:12:01] <sbstn> sm00th: just a guess: crypttab/fstab doesn't match your chroot's environment?
364 [02:12:32] <sm00th> sbstn, oh wait that is my swap its saying for, do I need to mount that too in chroot?
365 [02:12:36] <sm00th> i only did root and boot
366 [02:13:08] <sbstn> sm00th: should still boot even if it fails to mount swap
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369 [02:13:26] <sm00th> no but i mean that warning for chiper modules is referring to my swap partition.
370 [02:13:32] <sm00th> when i do update-initramfs
371 [02:14:59] <sm00th> cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to determine cipher modules to load
372 [02:15:07] <sm00th> device-mapper: table ioctl on sda9_crypt failed: No such device or address
373 [02:15:07] <sm00th> Command failed
374 [02:15:07] <sm00th> cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to determine cipher modules to load for sda9_crypt
375 [02:15:11] <sm00th> ugh
376 [02:15:44] <sm00th> it aint saying it for my root partition no more though so do I have to do somethign for swap in the chroot environment?
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380 [02:17:39] <sbstn> sm00th: sounds like you don't have swap mounted on your recovery environment, hence the error, if I am not mistaken
381 [02:17:55] <sm00th> thats what I'm thinking. but I'm asking how do I mount it?
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384 [02:18:25] <ddd333> quick poll: how many computers do you have at home? the ones that work well
385 [02:18:31] <sm00th> i put root into /mnt, and boot into /mnt/boot
386 [02:18:35] <sm00th> but I don't know where to put the swap
387 [02:19:04] <sbstn> sm00th: swapon /dev/mapper/sda9_crypt
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391 [02:19:48] <ddd333> does anyone in here have more than 4 computers at home?
392 [02:19:59] <sm00th> sbstn, ok so first I need to do luksOpen right?
393 [02:20:06] <AirPlanes2> ddd333, yea
394 [02:20:14] <ddd333> AirPlanes2: how many?
395 [02:20:15] <sbstn> sm00th: indeed if it isn't already opened
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397 [02:20:24] <AirPlanes2> ddd333, something like that
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400 [02:21:06] <ddd333> i thought people on ubuntu or debian would own like 6 or 7 computers
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402 [02:21:19] <sm00th> sbstn, ah crap its telling me its not a valid luks device hmm
403 [02:21:21] <ddd333> i have 5
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405 [02:21:37] <johnkeates> I have 6, of which only 3 have anything with the monitors on my desk
406 [02:21:50] <ddd333> johnkeates: nice
407 [02:21:55] <johnkeates> also, there are at least 4 laptops floating around here somewhere
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409 [02:22:05] <johnkeates> but two of them are PowerPC based so they don't really count
410 [02:22:09] <sm00th> but yet i can't mount it says wrong fs type
411 [02:22:09] <johnkeates> and they are 10 years old
412 [02:22:13] <sm00th> maybe it got corrupted?
413 [02:22:18] <ddd333> johnkeates: they still count
414 [02:22:23] <sbstn> sm00th: well, if it fails it should still boot without swap and you can reconfigure it in running system too
415 [02:22:28] <AirPlanes2> <TomTomTosch> also, don't do everything in a root console, that's suicidal.
416 [02:22:38] <AirPlanes2> TomTomTosch, can you give me guide/tutorial about it?
417 [02:22:46] <johnkeates> if the raspberry pi counts, I have two of those
418 [02:22:55] <johnkeates> and a bunch of random embedded MIPS and ARM systems
419 [02:23:05] <sm00th> sbstn, ok I guess I can try to boot now. I'm not sure if I changed anythign in the chroot environment all I did was apt-get upgrade and update-initramfs -u -k all and was getting that error.
420 [02:23:27] <TomTomTosch> AirPlanes2: install sudo, create a user, add user to sudo group, login as that user.
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422 [02:23:43] <ddd333> johnkeates: hehe that's really cool
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425 [02:24:07] <sm00th> sbstn, i'll reboot and see what happen
426 [02:24:07] <AirPlanes2> TomTomTosch, i create step-by-step
427 [02:24:12] <sbstn> sm00th: did you add the modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules?
428 [02:24:23] <AirPlanes2> TomTomTosch, replaced-url
429 [02:24:24] <sm00th> sbstn, oh no, I dunno what module to add?
430 [02:24:34] <mutante> sudo does not protect you from running that random rm -rf or shutdown -h now on the remote server either
431 [02:24:39] <AirPlanes2> just for my self to understand process also I need to learn about pgpg how it works
432 [02:24:39] <Akuw> what is the diference between Debian and Centos, i know Centos is Red Hat, but some people i know says that for enterprise is better use Centos
433 [02:24:48] <AirPlanes2> anyone have good link for gpg?
434 [02:25:01] <sbstn> sm00th: you could also run update-initramfs in verbose mode to see what gets included
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436 [02:25:09] <sm00th> ok
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438 [02:25:20] <mutante> Akuw: mostly the packaging system, how software gets installed.. and the scripts that control services
439 [02:25:27] <AirPlanes2> maybe add that to wiki?
440 [02:25:31] <AirPlanes2> give me credit :P
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442 [02:25:44] <sm00th> ok yes it said it added lots of modules
443 [02:26:18] <sm00th> sbstn, lots of modules into this directory Adding module /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/crypto/
444 [02:26:44] <sm00th> and I ge the warning about sda9 cause I guess my swap got corrupted somehow.
445 [02:26:56] <sm00th> sbstn, so I guess reboot and see what happen?
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447 [02:27:29] <ddd333> can women be good programmers? last job i had half of them were women and they were really good and responsible. startups are mostly men though.
448 [02:27:29] <TomTomTosch> AirPlanes: just don't post it with my nick. and it't 'apt-get install pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring' and no need to put it in the wiki, mdn has a guide.
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450 [02:27:45] <AirPlanes> :(
451 [02:27:51] <AirPlanes> i want to contribute
452 [02:27:58] <AirPlanes> **safe way**
453 [02:28:12] <TomTomTosch> ddd333: #debian-offtopic for anything not support related, please.
454 [02:28:12] <sbstn> sm00th: yes, in case it doesn't start you can use initramfs shell try to see what is/isn't there, if a partition didn't get unlocked (crypto) can do that there and possibly boot (if it was the only issue)
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456 [02:28:28] <mutante> Akuw: i would not agree with that enterprise thing. if you were an enterprise you'd pick one.. either you buy the RedHat product and their support .. or you use something that is entirely free like Debian. CentOS seems like you are tied to RedHat and still have no support.. but what do i know
457 [02:28:33] <sm00th> sbstn, i'll try brb
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460 [02:28:39] <AirPlanes> TomTomTosch, what about apt-get install pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring?
461 [02:28:40] <ddd333> ty TomTomTosch
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463 [02:28:59] <AirPlanes> oh instead of doing wget
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465 [02:29:03] <AirPlanes> you don't like credit?
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467 [02:29:27] <Akuw> what about drivers for servers, RAID and other things
468 [02:29:30] <TomTomTosch> AirPlanes: no, instead of doing 'apt-get pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring_1.1_all.deb'
469 [02:29:33] <unborn> wft???
470 [02:29:35] <AirPlanes> yes i understand
471 [02:29:39] <TomTomTosch> AirPlanes: and no, i don't like credit.
472 [02:29:48] <AirPlanes> you are safe and sound :)
473 [02:29:49] <mutante> Akuw: usually doesnt matter if you are using popular hardware like Dell / HP servers
474 [02:29:53] <johnkeates> Akuw: they are usually just built in to the kernel and don't really have much to do with the distribution that comes on top of it
475 [02:30:20] <johnkeates> for example, Promise makes a few RAID controllers, and they have a bunch of drivers (STEX for example) that are built in to Linux
476 [02:30:26] <Akuw> ok
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478 [02:30:44] <johnkeates> they also have WebPAM, a web-based RAID management interface, and that comes in RPM form but also in tgz form, which works on any platform
479 [02:31:09] <johnkeates> anyway, you shouldn't use RAID if you really care about your data, something like ZFS or maybe BTRFS is better at the actual protection
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481 [02:31:39] <johnkeates> technology to prevent data loss on disk failure isn't actually that hard, but data protection against other forms of corruption are a lot harder
482 [02:31:59] <AirPlanes> there is a lot of holes i missing in linux
483 [02:32:00] <johnkeates> think about ECC RAM, ZFS with multiple copies of the files, distributed over disks, with checksums etc
484 [02:32:28] <AirPlanes> maybe automate script to install firefox?
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486 [02:32:35] <johnkeates> sudo apt-get install firefox
487 [02:32:37] <johnkeates> done
488 [02:32:44] <AirPlanes> oh really?
489 [02:32:48] <johnkeates> or iceweasel if you are on an old version
490 [02:32:57] <johnkeates> sudo apt-get install iceweasel
491 [02:32:59] <AirPlanes> i have iceweasel but it's red...
492 [02:33:01] <AirPlanes> I don't know why
493 [02:33:11] <johnkeates> well, Iceweasel is FireFox again
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495 [02:33:30] <johnkeates> Iceweasel was firefox anyway, but Debian couldn't use the Mozilla trade name
496 [02:33:31] <AirPlanes> its not
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498 [02:33:34] <johnkeates> it is
499 [02:33:38] <AirPlanes> its rebuild?
500 [02:33:40] <johnkeates> no
501 [02:33:45] <AirPlanes> ok
502 [02:33:46] <johnkeates> it's just firefox with it's own logo and name
503 [02:33:50] <mutante> i also had it installed as iceweasel and just a regular upgrade made it firefox
504 [02:33:51] <johnkeates> because of american lawyers
505 [02:33:54] <TomTomTosch> iceweasel is only a meta package now. it pulls firefox-esr
506 [02:34:01] <AirPlanes> because license?
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508 [02:34:03] <johnkeates> yes
509 [02:34:05] <johnkeates> it's stupid
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511 [02:34:08] <mutante> yea, 10 years :)
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513 [02:34:12] <AirPlanes> like lius torvalds with gpl 3?
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515 [02:34:16] <AirPlanes> linus*
516 [02:34:24] <johnkeates> no, that doesn't have anything to do with firefox or mozilla
517 [02:34:31] <AirPlanes> so i didnt understand
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519 [02:34:41] <AirPlanes> what happen to debian if they use firefox?
520 [02:34:44] <johnkeates> it was the brand name 'FireFox'
521 [02:34:46] <mutante> it was not about the code, it was about the logo trademark
522 [02:34:51] <johnkeates> you can't re-distribute FireFox
523 [02:34:59] <AirPlanes> why ubutnu can?
524 [02:35:00] <johnkeates> the name FireFox and the logo
525 [02:35:04] <AirPlanes> ushuntu
526 [02:35:06] <johnkeates> ubuntu is commercial and paid
527 [02:35:09] <johnkeates> or did other stuff
528 [02:35:12] <AirPlanes> oh i see
529 [02:35:13] <cmtptr> no
530 [02:35:25] <johnkeates> debian doesn't do 'closed' and 'incompatible' licenses
531 [02:35:28] <AirPlanes> so money is everything
532 [02:35:38] <cmtptr> no, none of this is accurate
533 [02:35:43] <unborn> AirPlanes: how old you are?
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535 [02:35:46] <johnkeates> Mozilla and Debian had incompatible rules
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537 [02:35:47] <AirPlanes> 19
538 [02:35:48] <cmtptr> please do some research
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540 [02:35:50] <TomTomTosch> it's not about money. it's about the changes debian does to the source.
541 [02:35:55] <cmtptr> yes
542 [02:36:01] <unborn> cannot believe that eh
543 [02:36:04] <AirPlanes> why?
544 [02:36:12] <AirPlanes> im trying to learn.. :(
545 [02:36:28] <johnkeates> Mozilla and Debian had incompatible rules, and it's basically Debian's rules are different from Ubuntu's rules
546 [02:36:31] <AirPlanes> i read a blog about someone who leaved ubuntu and moved to debian
547 [02:36:42] <johnkeates> Ubuntu is Debian, but with commerce
548 [02:36:49] <johnkeates> and different rules
549 [02:36:51] <AirPlanes> Ubuntu is based on Debian*
550 [02:36:52] <unborn> AirPlanes: what country you are from?
551 [02:36:53] <johnkeates> and maybe even a different target
552 [02:37:02] <AirPlanes> I am right :))
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554 [02:37:15] <unborn> AirPlanes: and I was thinking loud before
555 [02:37:21] <johnkeates> when I say 'is', I mean that in the OOP polymorphism way
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559 [02:37:59] <AirPlanes2> <AirPlanes> I am right :)) - got logged of
560 [02:38:01] <AirPlanes2> unborn, why?
561 [02:38:05] <AirPlanes2> anyway you can do whois ??
562 [02:38:19] <AirPlanes2> bad wifi disconnecting often
563 [02:38:24] <unborn> AirPlanes: I dont do who is.. I rather ask person.. just want to know
564 [02:38:28] <TomTomTosch> !ot
565 [02:38:28] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
566 [02:38:29] <unborn> nothings behind
567 [02:38:39] <AirPlanes2> israel
568 [02:38:54] <unborn> AirPlanes: bless you
569 [02:38:57] <AirPlanes2> if i install debian it also install bluetooth right? how do i disable it?
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571 [02:39:09] <AirPlanes2> i heard something with hw-detect
572 [02:39:27] <AirPlanes2> does it also install me drivers for nvidia? because i dont want that
573 [02:39:36] <mutante> AirPlanes2: # don't want bluetooth
574 [02:39:36] <mutante> echo disable > /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth
575 [02:39:48] <AirPlanes2> thanks
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577 [02:40:09] <AirPlanes2> it has good wifi driver?
578 [02:40:09] <unborn> AirPlanes: disable bluettooth in bios level and you done
579 [02:40:10] <mutante> AirPlanes2: eh, i have that in /etc/rc.local that may or may not be the best way to do it :p
580 [02:40:19] <AirPlanes2> unborn, i dont know how to do that
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582 [02:40:42] <AirPlanes2> i just want to do wifi only because with bluetooth is uncessary.
583 [02:40:54] <AirPlanes2> also can i make battery charge till 60% like lenovo app do?
584 [02:40:57] <mutante> yea, same here, wifi still works
585 [02:41:01] <unborn> google it.. its same like how to make tea
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587 [02:41:19] <AirPlanes2> ok
588 [02:41:26] <AirPlanes2> you buy a tea and get instructions
589 [02:41:33] <unborn> :D
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592 [02:41:52] <sm00th> oh he left dam lol
593 [02:42:00] <unborn> AirPlanes2: you google manual for your laptop
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595 [02:42:03] <sm00th> now instead of lvm not available its saying no volume group found lmao
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598 [02:42:23] <mutante> sm00th: sounds good, at least it has LVM now ?:p
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600 [02:42:29] <AirPlanes> i dont think i have manual. only for hackintosh
601 [02:42:29] <sm00th> no clue
602 [02:42:35] <sbstn> sm00th: did lsblk say anything about lvm in your chroot?
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604 [02:42:54] <sm00th> sbstn, ok let me chroot again and run that command
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606 [02:43:17] <sm00th> and also my windows partition is gone from grub menu lol
607 [02:43:30] <AirPlanes> oh that bad
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609 [02:44:03] <mutante> good point
610 [02:44:45] <mutante> AirPlanes: why 60%?
611 [02:46:17] <sm00th> sbstn, well I don't see any mention of lvm when i run that command from chroot. but now the issue is it keep saying no volume group found when trying to boot debian.
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614 [02:47:02] <sm00th> maybe I should just reinstall
615 [02:47:03] <AirPlanes> mutante, lenovo made appp something called energy manager and there setting called Conversation Mode
616 [02:47:10] <AirPlanes> probably it better for battery?
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619 [02:48:06] <chaddy> AirPlanes: tlp, also cpufreq-utils
620 [02:48:11] <AirPlanes> I believe it's software thing like it charge till 60% and if it's below keep charging maybe
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622 [02:48:20] <AirPlanes> thanks..
623 [02:48:27] <sm00th> sbstn, i tried to do update grub but it says /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 250: /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: cannot create /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new: Directory nonexistent
624 [02:48:28] <AirPlanes> also i heard doing fan things is bad
625 [02:48:44] <sm00th> oh wait i don't think i mounted boot
626 [02:48:47] <sbstn> sm00th: were the unlocked devices present in /dev/mapper in recovery shell?
627 [02:48:48] <chaddy> AirPlanes: thinkfan
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629 [02:48:59] <sbstn> sm00th: yet your grub menu got update?
630 [02:49:05] <sbstn> *s/update/updated
631 [02:49:17] <AirPlanes> chaddy, what?
632 [02:49:30] <chaddy> AirPlanes: what, what?
633 [02:49:36] <AirPlanes> haha
634 [02:49:58] <sm00th> sbstn, no i meant right now. now when I do it. it says no volume groups found.
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638 [02:50:11] <sm00th> sbstn, it aint finding windows now...
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644 [02:51:07] <unborn> does this channel support mute? or devoice ?
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651 [02:53:06] <sm00th> sbstn, is it time to reinstall now?
652 [02:53:25] <sm00th> i fail to recover my debian everytime when i bork it lol
653 [02:53:32] <sbstn> sm00th: I don't know really anything about dual-boot configuration for grub
654 [02:53:36] <sm00th> maybe i'm too noob i should install ubuntu.
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657 [02:54:36] <sm00th> sbstn, I don't even know what the hell i did this time. maybe i removed more then I should of when i removed nvidia I dunno.
658 [02:54:50] <sm00th> but I was able eto boot into nouveau no problem. then I just installed nvidia from backports.
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660 [02:55:02] <sm00th> reboot and nogo. maybe it was cause I installed headers again?
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662 [02:55:20] <sm00th> no clue why it complaining about missing lvm when i used ext4.
663 [02:55:31] <sm00th> and now no volume groups found? its beyond me.
664 [02:55:33] <sbstn> sm00th: I assume you didn't have any luck with selecting older kernel from grub menu
665 [02:55:41] <sm00th> I don't have any other kernel.
666 [02:56:04] <sm00th> I was going to try and reinstall the kernel. but it seems there is something else going on now.
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669 [02:57:14] <sbstn> sm00th: something you could check also, what grub command line point as root paritition? also did you happen to run "ls /dev/mapper" in the recovery shell after failed boot?
670 [02:57:39] <sm00th> sbstn, oh I didn't try the recovery shell.
671 [02:57:42] <sbstn> sm00th: (to see if crypto paritions were unlocked in first place)
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675 [02:58:31] <sm00th> sbstn, now i'm concerned windows disappeared from grub menu
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678 [02:59:20] <sbstn> sm00th: also if you use device names (sda/sdb/so on) instead of UUIDs in crypttab/fstab it is possible the device names aren't the same in your chroot and when you boot
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680 [03:00:11] <sm00th> sbstn, i have /dev/mapper fstab
681 [03:00:41] <sm00th> :sbstcrypttab has uuid
682 [03:00:49] <sm00th> sbstn, crypttab has uuid
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696 [03:08:05] <sbstn> sm00th: when you updated/installed kernel the package manager run update-grub updating the menu entries, why windows vanished there I have no idea, but is the generated boot command line correct in /boot/grub/grub.cfg (root= pointing to the correct partition, unlocked crypto root partition)
697 [03:08:19] <sm00th> let me check
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703 [03:09:24] <sm00th> sbstn, i see a --set=root line, with a uuid.
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707 [03:10:15] <sbstn> sm00th: you can use "lsblk -o NAME,MOUNTPOINT,UUID" to see if it matches
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709 [03:11:43] <sm00th> ok lemme check
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714 [03:13:46] <sbstn> sm00th: I think os-prober package is what you need to have for update-grub to automatically generate entry for windows in grub menu (which can be configured in /etc/default/grub)
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716 [03:14:04] <sm00th> sbstn, ya i ran os-proper and it says no volume groups found also
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718 [03:14:21] <sm00th> but maybe this is why. the root and boot uuid's mixed up?
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720 [03:14:49] <sm00th> sda7_crypt / is showing a diff uuid.
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723 [03:15:19] <sm00th> the one that says set=root in in grub.cfg is boot uuid.
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725 [03:15:35] <sm00th> I figure once i can boot into debian i can update-grub again to find windows hopefully
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727 [03:16:36] <sm00th> sbstn, so do I just change set=root to the correct uuid? what about /boot? lol
728 [03:16:41] <sm00th> i'm so lost...
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730 [03:17:07] <sm00th> I probably could of been totally reinstalled by now, but I wouldn't mind figuring out wtf happened lol
731 [03:17:37] <sm00th> oh wait i'm wrong, there is a line set=root and a root=UUID
732 [03:17:40] <sm00th> and its actually correct.
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737 [03:20:35] <sbstn> root=UUID should be the one which is your unencrypted partition
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740 [03:21:11] <sm00th> sbstn, ya the sda7_crypt, its correct.
741 [03:21:28] <sm00th> the set=root is the /boot partition.
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746 [03:27:00] <AirPlanes> TomTomTosch, ping
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754 [03:32:36] <x1> hi abrotman
755 [03:32:56] <x1> writing from weechat, is very nice
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932 [05:24:37] <miesco_> ,v pandoc
933 [05:24:38] <judd> Package: pandoc on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.5.1.1-5+b1; wheezy: 1.9.4.2-2; jessie: 1.12.4.2~dfsg-1+b14; stretch: 1.16.0.2~dfsg-1; sid: 1.17.0.3~dfsg-2; experimental: 1.17.1~dfsg-1
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945 [05:33:54] <up2late> Is there a way to get my public ip to show on my *nix box that connected to my router via a switch, instead of its 192.x.x.x address?
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950 [05:34:47] <sypher> up2late: No. That's called network address translation. The external IP address is owned by the external interface of the gateway device performing translation, i.e. your router.
951 [05:35:11] <sypher> up2late: That said, this is probably an X->Y problem. What issue are you trying to solve, that led you to the IP address question?
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955 [05:38:03] <up2late> setting up a ipv6 tunnel on my debian box
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959 [05:38:29] <up2late> so i can hide my ip
960 [05:38:35] <up2late> from my .com
961 [05:38:42] <up2late> so i can irc from it
962 [05:38:44] <sypher> up2late: That's... not how that works. At all.
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964 [05:39:12] <up2late> awesome
965 [05:39:16] <sypher> up2late: The endpoint of your IPv6 tunnel, your system, will still be a publicly-accessible address. You're not saving yourself anything.
966 [05:39:17] <up2late> i was misinformed
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971 [05:44:02] <bhurstpdx1> i'm getting a rather strange dpkg error: replaced-url
972 [05:44:38] <bhurstpdx1> has anyone ever seen this before?
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986 [05:56:35] <Rusty1_> bhurstpdx1: what version debian ?
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994 [05:59:23] <jmcnaught> bhurstpdx1: what is swatch? does it have an initscript? why does it depend on rc.local?
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997 [06:00:34] <jmcnaught> bhurstpdx1: whatever swatch is, it's init script doesn't look like one from Debian
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1000 [06:04:02] <Hijiri> is there any way to get multiarch gstreamer plugins bad/ugly
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1004 [06:06:58] <bhurstpdx1> at this point i'm just trying to remove the broken packages.
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1016 [06:15:00] <awal1> bhurstpdx1, I usually run "script" when I install stuff just for test or when installing metapkgs. that makes things easier for removals. I just check the typescript and remove all the deps/recommends installed by X pkg
1017 [06:15:53] <awal1> it helps for have a less broken system (almost when running testing/unstable)
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1020 [06:18:54] <awal1> installing for example kde-full, thats not easy remove it completely; script is very useful then :P
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1024 [06:21:04] <bhurstpdx1> thanks
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1052 [06:48:09] <up2late> silence!
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1070 [07:00:53] <ross`> Can someone tell me why I get this error when following these directions on debian 8.5.
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1072 [07:01:03] <ross`> replaced-url
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1074 [07:01:15] <ross`> command: ./autogen.sh
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1078 [07:01:29] <ross`> error: configure: error: Package requirements (bitlbee >= 3.4) were not met:
1079 [07:01:39] <ross`> I installed bitlbee with aptitude
1080 [07:01:46] <ross`> and it runs seemingly fine
1081 [07:01:59] <markybob> you didn't install bitlbee-dev
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1083 [07:02:09] <ross`> thanks
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1085 [07:02:58] <ross`> why does this want glibc2.0..
1086 [07:03:00] <ross`> weird
1087 [07:03:12] <ross`> oh nvm
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1209 [08:33:41] <mirazi_heket> hello, im trying to setup pam (/etc/pam.d/common-password) to strengthen password policy, but it asks for password 3 times, why?
1210 [08:33:42] <mirazi_heket> replaced-url
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1236 [08:47:50] <mirazi_heket> anyone can check? changing password prompts for new password 3 times
1237 [08:47:50] <mirazi_heket> replaced-url
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1300 [09:24:16] <jelly> mirazi_heket: which debian release is this?
1301 [09:24:39] <mirazi_heket> jelly: 8.4
1302 [09:25:03] <jelly> that pam config looks very customized
1303 [09:25:19] <jelly> mirazi_heket: which file is that?
1304 [09:25:45] <mirazi_heket> jelly: /etc/pam.d/common-password
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1311 [09:27:13] <jelly> mirazi_heket: what if you comment out the cracklib stuff as a test?
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1313 [09:28:23] <mirazi_heket> passwd: Authentication token manipulation error passwd: password unchanged
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1319 [09:31:22] <mirazi_heket> wait, i commented out wrong line, and after i uncommented "password requisite pam_cracklib.so try_first_pass retry=3 minlen=8 difok=3 sha512" and commented out "password required pam_cracklib.so try_first_pass retry=3 minlen=8 difok=3" it prompts for password 2 times only"
1320 [09:31:46] <mirazi_heket> New password: Retype new password: passwd: password updated successfully
1321 [09:33:10] <mirazi_heket> and that's it?
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1323 [09:34:14] <jelly> the default is just three lines (plus whatever extra is installed and configured via debconf), replaced-url
1324 [09:34:33] <mirazi_heket> jelly: thanks man <3
1325 [09:35:09] <jelly> mirazi_heket: I guess you'll have to figure out why that happens and whether your setup is actually correct. I don't know if having two password ... pam_unix lines makes sense
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1328 [09:36:58] <mirazi_heket> well, at least i understand how it works now and i can fix that
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1423 [10:23:30] <MicroCheapFx> Hi all !
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1499 [10:57:27] <kedare> Hello, a small question, I'm doing a package that deploy a systemd service but instead of deploying the unit in /etc/systemd/system, it deploys it into /lib/systemd/system/, is this normal ?
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1565 [11:40:17] <hellyeah> yo i try to mount my ipad from debian but i couldnt read application.
1566 [11:40:26] <hellyeah> Anyone here experience with that?
1567 [11:41:25] <bazhang> read what application
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1569 [11:43:32] <hellyeah> bazhang: i dont understand
1570 [11:43:51] <Stummi> thats fine, we also don't understand you
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1572 [11:44:10] <bazhang> <hellyeah> yo i try to mount my ipad from debian but i couldnt read application.
1573 [11:44:16] <bazhang> the last part
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1578 [11:47:26] <hellyeah> ops
1579 [11:47:28] <hellyeah> sorry
1580 [11:47:50] <hellyeah> in the past when i mounted ipad i could reach application
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1582 [11:48:13] <hellyeah> but now i couldnt reach application there is soıme files in it i need to get it into my computer
1583 [11:48:17] <bazhang> which application
1584 [11:48:41] <Stummi> maybe application is a directory?
1585 [11:48:43] <hellyeah> app's name is awesometv
1586 [11:48:55] <hellyeah> yesh it is probably directory
1587 [11:49:04] <hellyeah> but i couldnt see that application directory
1588 [11:49:22] <hellyeah> dunno why
1589 [11:49:45] <hellyeah> i could reach all contents of ipad not i cannot sere directory of application
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1591 [11:50:13] <bazhang> what sort of files did you need to get hellyeah
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1593 [11:51:10] <hellyeah> video
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1598 [11:52:52] <hellyeah> i could have see app's directory it is weird if you ask me
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1639 [12:20:22] <GitBug> what does a locked(expiry-dated off) user mean? does it mean that the user's uid cannot run any binaries from that point on?
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1643 [12:22:04] <Iridos> you're missing context there
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1645 [12:22:29] <Iridos> but I guess you mean expiry from /etc/passwd and shadow...
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1654 [12:24:21] <Iridos> and no... being expired from passwd only means you cannot log in. there is no feature in normal linux installs that prevent user processes from running any binaries
1655 [12:24:42] <miskatonic> when is the deadline for freezing the package list for Stretch?
1656 [12:25:17] <Iridos> dpkg, stretch freeze
1657 [12:25:17] <dpkg> Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017; no new versions of packages will enter the release as this is a period of intense bug fixing. See replaced-url
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1661 [12:26:46] <Iridos> eh. replaced-url
1662 [12:27:12] <Iridos> urgh
1663 [12:27:18] <markybob> replaced-url
1664 [12:27:48] <Iridos> I think the .md is used to auto-generate the html... and that got stuck, leaving tmp_freezepolicy.html behind
1665 [12:28:08] <Iridos> replaced-url
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1667 [12:28:37] <chrisa> Hello. I always have issues using xmodmap. I wish there was a tutorial that really explained the various layers of key codes, syms etc. and how they are mapped bet ween each other.
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1669 [12:28:57] <Iridos> well...
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1671 [12:29:26] <chrisa> I've added "keycode 134 = Control_R Control_R Control_R Control_R Control_R Control_R Control_R Control_R" which does make xev issue Control_R if I press this key but it won't work in emacs.
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1674 [12:29:49] <chrisa> In fact xemacs complains with a warning at startup.
1675 [12:29:56] <Iridos> dpkg, stretch freeze =~ s/freeze_policy.html//
1676 [12:29:56] <dpkg> OK, Iridos
1677 [12:30:11] <Iridos> dpkg, stretch freeze
1678 [12:30:11] <dpkg> Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017; no new versions of packages will enter the release as this is a period of intense bug fixing. See replaced-url
1679 [12:30:22] <Iridos> guess people can do the one click more :-/
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1693 [12:38:59] <matu_> Hi, i was using my computer and i have noticed that i was unable to get some sounds from youtube, even using vlc my mp3 provides no sound.
1694 [12:39:10] <matu_> What should i do un order to get the sound back ?
1695 [12:39:21] <matu_> -some+any
1696 [12:39:25] <matu_> any sound sorry
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1698 [12:39:49] <miskatonic> would mplayer2 instead of vlc work?
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1702 [12:41:08] <matu_> hum it looks the problem is about my screen, this screen has an audio output but i have unplugged the cable and the screen does not appear in the lxde screen options
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1719 [12:50:51] <matu_> yes it because of the hdmi screen
1720 [12:50:55] <matu_> was
1721 [12:51:01] <matu_> thank you, bye
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1739 [13:01:46] <agarnier> Hello all, I'm willing to make me a Debian persistent live USB stick.
1740 [13:02:07] <XeonSquared> If I want to boot Debian from another distro's GRUB, how would I go about having the latest version of the kernel that Debian is running booted?
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1742 [13:02:51] <agarnier> I found this quite old simple how-to replaced-url
1743 [13:03:12] <agarnier> Should I download iso-hybrid iso or bt-hybrid?
1744 [13:03:37] <agarnier> Optional question: what's the difference between both? :p
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1746 [13:04:27] <agarnier> … the obvious juste stroke me, bt=bittorent.
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1778 [13:16:40] <gr8> I have a normal XFCE desktop, what is the best place to change xinput settings on startup?
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1807 [13:32:21] <gr8> .xsessionrc?
1808 [13:32:21] <Iridos> XeonSquared, chainload the partition's boot sector and have debian update that?
1809 [13:32:35] <XeonSquared> ehhh I guess that'd work
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1812 [13:32:44] <XeonSquared> wait no it wouldn't
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1814 [13:32:49] <XeonSquared> it's not a separate partition
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1816 [13:34:38] <Iridos> agar... too late
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1818 [13:35:27] <Iridos> how can it not be on a separate partition
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1904 [14:21:18] <Iridos> judd, versions mplayer
1905 [14:21:19] <judd> Package: mplayer on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u2; stretch: 2:1.3.0-2; sid: 2:1.3.0-2; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.1.1-dmo4.wheezy1; jessie-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20150226+svn37375-dmo5; sid-multimedia:
1906 [14:21:20] <judd> 4:1.3.0~20160702.svn37873-dmo1
1907 [14:21:23] <Iridos> judd, versions mplayer2
1908 [14:21:24] <judd> Package: mplayer2 on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1+b1; wheezy-security: 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.0-728-g2c378c7-4+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20120817-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20130903-dmo7; stretch: 2:1.3.0-2; sid: 2:1.3.0-2
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1910 [14:21:55] <markybob> or use mpv like most people :P
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1913 [14:22:06] <Iridos> wondering if I can have mplayer1 from dmm next to mplayer2 from jessie
1914 [14:22:47] <jane_doe> Hi, question: Will the NoScript and HTTPS-Everywhere plugins work in Iceweasel?
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1918 [14:23:16] <Iridos> and I'd like something that has a working vo=yuv4mpeg and understands -vf yadif=1:0,mcdeint=0:0:10
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1920 [14:23:27] <Iridos> but I think such a thing may not exist
1921 [14:23:49] <woshty> jane_doe: oldstable?
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1926 [14:24:55] <jane_doe> What's oldstable? I am just installing for the first time.
1927 [14:26:01] <Iridos> markybob, holy fracturing forks :-/
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1929 [14:26:22] <XeonSquared> jane_doe: oldstable = Debian 7
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1931 [14:26:24] <jane_doe> I am using debian-8.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
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1937 [14:28:28] <Iridos> in 8.5 iceweasel is already renamed back to firefox-esr 45
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1942 [14:29:17] <markybob> assuming you have security sources and are up to date anyway
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1949 [14:30:54] <jane_doe> Well I just finished installing it and am looking at a blue circle with a cute white weasel, not the beloved orange fox I am used to.
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1953 [14:32:06] <Iridos> markybob, I think an 8.5.0 dvd iso image should also have it :)
1954 [14:32:49] <Iridos> markybob, but maybe not :P
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1956 [14:33:14] <Iridos> yeah, you're right...
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1959 [14:34:18] <Iridos> jane_doe, you should install the latest security updates... if your sources.list is correct just by running apt-get update;apt-get upgrade
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1964 [14:35:43] <jane_doe> Oh ok I will try that. What's the difference between regular upgrade and dist-upgrade?
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1969 [14:36:55] <Iridos> "upgrade" will refuse to remove packages and I think also to install new ones
1970 [14:37:16] <Iridos> so you may need dist-upgrade for the transition... but "upgrade" tells you the packages that are kept back
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1978 [14:39:05] <jane_doe> Ok so should I try regular upgrade first or dist-upgrade?
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1983 [14:40:11] <mayhew> I believe they're transitioning the name dist-upgrade to full-upgrade, `man apt` doesn't even list dist-upgrade anymore on my system.
1984 [14:40:48] <Iridos> man apt-get does
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1986 [14:41:02] <jane_doe> Ok I'll just do the regular upgrade thing then.
1987 [14:41:26] <mayhew> Iridos: apt-get cares about backward compatibility, but apt is probably the better tool for interactive use.
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1990 [14:42:26] <mayhew> jane_doe: I upgrade first and dist-upgrade after that if required.
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1992 [14:43:00] <jane_doe> Ok.
1993 [14:43:03] <jane_doe> Thanks.
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1997 [14:43:59] <Iridos> mayhew, we'll see. "apt search" does something different from (or more precisely "in addition to") what apt-get search does or aptitude search does
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1999 [14:44:18] <Iridos> I'm not sure that makes it so much more usable for the same purpose interactively
2000 [14:44:34] <Iridos> I haven't used it much, though
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2002 [14:45:03] <mayhew> Iridos: all I know is that it's designed for interact use. It colors output and includes progress bars, etc. It's also shorter and more ergonomic to type.
2003 [14:45:08] <mayhew> interactive*
2004 [14:45:23] <mayhew> I've been using it and it's great, IMO
2005 [14:45:25] <Iridos> that doesn't automatically make it better suited :)
2006 [14:46:29] <Iridos> you could say the very same for aptitude's ncurses interface
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2014 [14:51:01] <Iridos> I dunno... one would think the functionality of apt-cache madison <package> has been integrated in apt search... but right now I find that more confusing than helpful
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2016 [14:51:47] <Iridos> I also just added dmm to check something... and apt search reports smplayer2/stable 0.8.0-dmo3 amd64
2017 [14:52:05] <Iridos> so it's lacking something from madison
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2021 [14:53:03] <jane_doe> Another question...is there a way if I want to have disk encryption to tell it not to rewrite the whole drive with random data first? The Ubuntu installer has that option.
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2023 [14:54:09] <Iridos> can't remember... if you're already in expert mode and can't find it I think it's likely that it's not there
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2025 [14:55:23] <jane_doe> Hmm I was not in expert mode (I was afraid of choosing that) but I'll give that mode a try.
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2029 [14:55:52] <markybob> you can just hit cancel during the random write and the install will continue
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2032 [14:56:20] <jane_doe> Ohhhh interesting! I thought that would cancel the whole install.
2033 [14:56:31] <markybob> nope. you'll be fine
2034 [14:57:06] <jane_doe> Thanks!
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2123 [15:40:23] <ilken> how do i reverse this? : export DISPLAY=192.168.0.160:0
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2128 [15:42:47] <Stummi> ilken, "reverse"?
2129 [15:42:53] <Stummi> what do you meant with this?
2130 [15:42:54] <ilken> undo it
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2132 [15:43:07] <ilken> i export display to my phone
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2134 [15:43:30] <ilken> i need to undo that
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2136 [15:43:42] <markybob> ilken: unset DISPLAY
2137 [15:43:42] <Stummi> you mean, "unexport" something from your actual shell session? export -n DISPLAY
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2141 [15:44:53] <ilken> oh
2142 [15:44:56] <ilken> ok thanks
2143 [15:45:05] <ilken> thought i was going to have to logoff
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2145 [15:48:14] <Iridos> you can't exactly "undo" it
2146 [15:48:42] <Iridos> because there is no record what value DISPLAY was set to before you changed it
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2153 [15:50:18] <jhutchins> Except that the default is :0
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2155 [15:50:39] <rake> What is the best de to use with a computer with 2gb of ram?
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2159 [15:52:12] <GitBug> rake, lxde
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2161 [15:52:21] <GitBug> its supposed to be lightweight
2162 [15:53:28] <rake> what about xfce?
2163 [15:53:34] <meseira> rake: LXDE is a good choice but, with 2Gb, you can also give a chance to XFCE
2164 [15:53:51] <markybob> rake: i use xfce on a 2gb laptop. runs great.
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2168 [15:55:10] <meseira> imho, LXDE is a bit too "basic" and XFCE is definitely better as desktop env
2169 [15:55:21] <meseira> but that is only my 2 cents...
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2186 [16:00:24] <koala_> Hello, I would like know if there is a way to load netcfg with 8012q stp and garp without modifying the initrd image ? I would like do it by passing args in the PXE initrd APPEND
2187 [16:00:27] <jane_doe> Question: during the debian install, on the "Software selection" screen if I check on KDE do I need to also check on "Debian desktop environment"?
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2279 [16:28:59] <jhutchins> jane_doe: No, DDE is the default Gnome desktop.
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2291 [16:33:22] <jane_doe> OK, thanks.
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2295 [16:34:37] <jhutchins> jane_doe: On the other hand, there's no harm in having both.
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2299 [16:35:52] <jane_doe> I thought you had to pick one gui to use...how do you use both?
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2305 [16:38:26] <jhutchins> jane_doe: You can switch back and forth, and many of the programs/components will run under either environment.
2306 [16:40:24] <jane_doe> Oh, I see...thanks.
2307 [16:40:31] <rake> use kdm or lightd,
2308 [16:41:13] <rlange> on this thread, what is the difference between the Debian desktop and the Gnome desktop choices in the installer?
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2312 [16:41:41] <rlange> just choosing debian desktop (in jessie) seems to be the same as choosing gnome
2313 [16:41:48] <markybob> nothing. desktop defaults to gnome
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2335 [16:46:49] <GitGud> if i set a user account to locked mode/set expired date on there, does that disable that user from running any program with its uid ?
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2363 [16:51:24] <jhutchins> GitGud: I don't believe it does, I believe it onlyh prevents that user from opening an interactive shell.
2364 [16:51:48] <GitGud> jhutchins, oh i see. so how would i completely disable that user's uid from running anything?
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2369 [16:52:12] <jhutchins> GitGud: What are you actually tring to do?
2370 [16:52:25] <GitGud> jhutchins, Reason i ask is because when i install debian i get a lot of unnecessary users like games, irc. etc. and i na secure setting i would like to make sure these users never run anything :)
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2372 [16:52:35] <GitGud> hence why i would disable their uid and gid completely
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2378 [16:55:06] <jhutchins> GitGud: They would have to log in in order to run a program, and they exist for good reasons. That's not something you need to mess with to secure the system.
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2382 [16:56:01] <jhutchins> GitGud: Try this instead: replaced-url
2383 [16:56:35] <GitGud> oh i see jhutchins
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2389 [16:57:40] <jhutchins> GitGud: A clean Debian desktop behind a NAT firewall/router is reasonably secure out of the box.
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2392 [16:58:05] <jhutchins> GitGud: If you plan to expose services outside of the local network, you may want to take some steps to secure those services
2393 [16:58:10] <riceandbeans> when is the next stable release scheduled to come out?
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2396 [16:58:18] <jhutchins> riceandbeans: When it's ready.
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2399 [16:58:41] <GitGud> jhutchins, its for server stuff
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2403 [17:00:54] <riceandbeans> jhutchins: holy crap really?
2404 [17:01:03] <themill> riceandbeans: there's not even any effort to schedule it yet -- August or September is likely. Point releases aren't really magical things though -- the packages are in security.debian.org already
2405 [17:01:07] <todd_dsm_wk> hey all, debian newb - how would you ask the system to tell you the name of a specific package? eg: openjdk-8-jdk.deb
2406 [17:01:11] <riceandbeans> jhutchins: thank fucking god you guys went back to that system instead of staying on the stupid 6 month cycle
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2410 [17:02:05] <themill> riceandbeans: Debian has never done anything on a 6 month cycle
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2414 [17:02:39] <slingshot> I want to install debian 8.5 amd64 using the netinst image that I copied onto a usb stick. After booting from the stick I get the usual debian setup screen, but after selecting both graphical and normal install I only get a black screen with some colored pixels on the top edge of my screen. Does that problem seem familiar to someone here?
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2416 [17:03:16] <riceandbeans> themill: I was told otherwise around the time I stopped using it as a primary OS back in the 6.x days
2417 [17:03:28] <themill> riceandbeans: nope
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2419 [17:03:52] <riceandbeans> it was one of my favorite things about the project
2420 [17:05:18] <GitGud> jhutchins, im planning to expose a web server. any debian specific guides on that?
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2438 [17:16:49] <jhutchins> GitGud: Might be some on the Debian web pages/wiki. Good general linux/apache stuff all over the web. replaced-url
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2441 [17:17:13] <slingshot> okay, wasn't a problem of the image or the stick
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2451 [17:22:05] <koala_> Hello, I would like know if there is a way to load netcfg with 8012q stp and garp without modifying the initrd image ? I would like do it by passing args in the PXE initrd APPEND
2452 [17:23:27] <redondo> I tried apt-get dist-upgrade and It seems I have not enough space only in some partitions: replaced-url
2453 [17:23:36] <redondo> What do you suggest to do?
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2465 [17:32:30] <jhutchins> redondo: Repartition and restore your backup.
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2468 [17:33:55] <redondo> thanks
2469 [17:34:07] <jelly> redondo: how many old kernel versions do you have at present? dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz*
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2472 [17:35:05] <redondo> Only one it seems: Output: linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64
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2474 [17:35:23] <jelly> redondo: you may be able to finish the patching this time by removing some kernel packages you're not using any more. But yes, that 300MB sized / filesystem is silly (and you have debian installer to blame for leading you to create it)
2475 [17:35:24] <redondo> jelly: ^
2476 [17:35:45] <jelly> redondo: then dpkg --purge linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64
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2478 [17:36:41] <redondo> jelly: "You are running a kernel (version 3.2.0-4-amd64) and attempting to remove the same version."
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2480 [17:36:53] <jelly> ouch, don't do that then
2481 [17:36:56] <redondo> "This can make the system unbootable as it will..."
2482 [17:36:59] <redondo> :)
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2485 [17:37:35] <jelly> redondo: are you in the middle of a release upgrade from debian 7 to debian 8?
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2494 [17:39:24] <redondo> jelly: I just tried apt-get dist-upgrade and it seems to have upgraded most of the system but failed to upgrade kernel, afaiu.
2495 [17:39:31] <jelly> redondo: pastebin the output of "vgs; echo; lvs; echo; lsblk" as root.
2496 [17:39:44] <Echo6> Ok, I have a strange one. I have an OrangePi that I am setting up with Cacti. I got Apache, PHP, SNMP, RRDTool, MySQL, and GD installed. I got Cacti set up. I added the cron job. I have no graphs. I checked the permissions and that is fine. It doesn't create the rrd files when a data source is added. I can create them from the command line and set the permissions. It also doesn't display the graphs. I installed the realtime plugin and it has the same
2497 [17:39:44] <Echo6> problem. RRD is recoginized in the phpinfo() dump. The system behaves like PHP can't access it though.
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2499 [17:39:54] <jelly> redondo: can you pastebin the _complete_ output of that dist-upgrade?
2500 [17:40:14] <jelly> Echo6: which debian release?
2501 [17:40:35] <Echo6> wheezy
2502 [17:40:40] <Echo6> let me double check
2503 [17:40:44] <redondo> jelly: replaced-url
2504 [17:41:04] <Echo6> what's the command for that again.
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2506 [17:41:15] <Echo6> I thought it was uname -a but I was seriously mistaken
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2509 [17:41:35] <Echo6> yeah. Its wheezy
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2511 [17:42:03] <jelly> redondo: that's actually promising. You can boot a live linux cd/usb, shrink the /home filesystem and logical volume a bit, then grow the / logical volume and filesystem.
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2513 [17:42:15] <jelly> !debian suite
2514 [17:42:16] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
2515 [17:42:27] <Echo6> 7.6
2516 [17:42:41] <jelly> that a (bit old) wheezy yes
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2518 [17:42:58] <jelly> Echo6: just for fun, what does dpkg --print-architecture say, armhf?
2519 [17:43:04] <Echo6> yeah. Had to for the libs I needed.
2520 [17:43:17] <Echo6> should, let me look
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2525 [17:44:25] <redondo> jelly: that sounds good... can you point to docs on how to do it, please.
2526 [17:44:56] <jelly> Echo6: if phpinfo() shows gd and rrd extensions as present, then it's something within cacti that's at fault I guess
2527 [17:45:27] <Echo6> that was my thought process too. I'm just not sure how to track it down.
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2529 [17:45:56] <jelly> Echo6: if you're using mod_php, php will be running as replaced-url
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2532 [17:46:10] <jelly> Echo6: look at apache error.log for clues.
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2535 [17:47:02] <jelly> redondo: boot a live cd, read the resize2fs and lvresize manuals.
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2537 [17:48:39] <jelly> redondo: alternatively, backup your /home, lvremove that LV, create a smaller one (you have ~60GB on it, so 100GB size will be enough for the time being -- you can easily extend it online when you need more space), mkfs it again and restore data
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2548 [17:51:09] <jelly> redondo: if you choose to do the shrinking, be VERY careful to do it in correct order: first shrink the filesystem, then shrink the underlying block device (/dev/mapper/bolivar-home lv))
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2550 [17:52:26] <redondo> jelly: you mean by "shrinking" the last procedure you just suggested?
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2573 [18:00:25] <jelly> redondo: I mean reducing the size of your /home with resize2fs and lvresize, making free space in the lvm volume group so you can extend the / lv and filesystem
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2576 [18:01:02] <jhutchins> My approach has always been that if you're messing with partition tables, you need to have a backup anyway, and a simple repartition/mkfs/restore is usually much quicker than resizing a live filesystem.
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2578 [18:01:24] <jelly> the user has LVM, no need to mess with partition table
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2582 [18:02:45] <jelly> "you need to have a backup anyway" is always true
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2647 [18:28:36] <chaosfisch> I have a user called "replaced-url
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2663 [18:34:27] <ish> i'm creating a repo for a software package, is it all OK in the debian world for i386 and x86_64 packages to go in the same repo?
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2666 [18:35:23] <jelly> ish: that's how debian's official repo mirrors are done.
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2672 [18:36:41] <themill> ish: same pool/ structure, but not in the same Packages file
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2674 [18:37:22] <leba2> I found the way to adapt myself to Debian's default vim-tiny. Need 2 commands: "set nocp" and "set bs=2". Now the problem is, I tried to add these lines to /etc/vim/vimrc for vim-tiny to start up like this, but is not working!
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2680 [18:38:55] <fennesz> Hello I am trying to copy one folder from my debian box to a remote server (openelec) using rsync . I use this : rsync -rv /folder/to/copy ssh user@ip: /destination/path
2681 [18:39:17] <fennesz> The error I get is this : rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender]
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2683 [18:39:31] <fennesz> rsync error: remote command not found (code 127) at io.c(226) [sender=3.1.1]
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2688 [18:41:15] <jhutchins> fennesz: Can you connect to the remote server via ssh?
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2690 [18:41:23] <fennesz> yes
2691 [18:41:28] <fennesz> jhutchins
2692 [18:41:31] <cra1g321> is rsync running on it too ?
2693 [18:41:35] <fennesz> yeap
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2695 [18:41:56] <jhutchins> fennesz: No space between the server: and the path - server:/path, not server: /path
2696 [18:42:22] <fennesz> jhutchins, ah ok let me try this
2697 [18:42:54] <fennesz> jhutchins, tried it without space , same
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2699 [18:43:08] <jhutchins> fennesz: Actually, that's the syntax for rsync over ssh. I'm not sure of the syntax for an rsync server, but I'm pretty sure it's niether one.
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2702 [18:43:54] <abrotman> fennesz: what is the 'ssh' in the middle there?
2703 [18:43:56] <fennesz> cra1g321, how can I make sure that rsync is running on the remote ?
2704 [18:44:09] <fennesz> abrotman, ssh connection?
2705 [18:44:37] <jhutchins> fennesz: My usual syntax for ssh is rsync -av /source/path user@server:/dest/path
2706 [18:44:42] <fennesz> its definitely installed but am not sure if this is running
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2709 [18:44:51] <abrotman> you probably want -e?
2710 [18:44:55] <jhutchins> fennesz: It doesn't need to be running for an ssh sync.
2711 [18:44:59] <fennesz> jhutchins, ok let me check this
2712 [18:45:01] <cra1g321> replaced-url
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2714 [18:45:13] <jhutchins> fennesz: You just need sshd, which is running if you can ssh to it.
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2716 [18:45:31] <abrotman> fennesz: you need -e 'ssh'
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2718 [18:45:38] <abrotman> fennesz: man rsync, it explains this
2719 [18:46:02] <fennesz> k let me try with -e
2720 [18:46:24] <fennesz> abrotman, using -rve right ?
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2725 [18:47:24] <cra1g321> if you need to do a specific port its -e "ssh -p portnumber"
2726 [18:47:41] <rake> Why dies debian say unix-like and not just unix?
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2728 [18:47:54] <cra1g321> rake, because it's linux based, not unix
2729 [18:48:26] <fennesz> abrotman, get the same with rsync -rv /folder/to/copy -e ssh user@ip: /destination/path
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2736 [18:50:48] <fennesz> jhutchins, the same with rsync -av /source/path user@server:/dest/path
2737 [18:50:52] <fennesz> but I am using -rv
2738 [18:51:02] <fennesz> dont think that this is the problem
2739 [18:51:06] <leba2> I found the way to adapt myself to Debian's default vim-tiny. Need 2 commands: "set nocp" and "set bs=2". Now the problem is, I tried to add these lines to /etc/vim/vimrc for vim-tiny to start up like this, but is not working!
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2750 [18:53:20] <fennesz> jhutchins, you also mentioned sshd . What about it?
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2775 [19:01:20] <jhutchins> fennesz: Needs to be running on the target system, which it is if you can ssh to it.
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2785 [19:03:59] <fennesz> jhutchins, I use ps | grep rsync to see if this is running on remote
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2787 [19:04:16] <fennesz> the output is 19559 root 0:00 grep rsync
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2790 [19:04:48] <fennesz> would like to know if rsync daemon is running
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2794 [19:05:32] <fennesz> Do I have to make something like this replaced-url
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2796 [19:05:56] <AirPlanes> HI!
2797 [19:06:14] <leba2> How can I set default settings for vim for system global?
2798 [19:06:26] <AirPlanes> is debian like ubuntu because someone said it's not good for the laptop: replaced-url
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2801 [19:06:42] <leba2> Creating /etc/vimrc, /etc/skel/.vimrc has not worked!
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2804 [19:07:18] <leba2> Only ~/.vimrc has worked, but I want it for system global
2805 [19:07:24] <leba2> Not just a user
2806 [19:07:34] <mtn> AirPlanes: both debian and ubuntu are fine on laptops
2807 [19:07:44] <AirPlanes> mtn, did you see the link?
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2810 [19:08:01] <mtn> AirPlanes: yes, and did not read it. do you have a debian support question?
2811 [19:08:05] <AirPlanes> mtn, "I had INSANE screen tearing in ubuntu that I just could not get fixed, I have no idea why but the drivers just didn’t work well with this laptop (have in mind this was months ago, they might have fixed it) or "
2812 [19:08:11] <AirPlanes> im just asking
2813 [19:08:20] <AirPlanes> dont want to install and then it will cause problems
2814 [19:08:27] <AirPlanes> im doing research first
2815 [19:08:29] <leba2> By the way, I'm using Debian's default vim-tiny.
2816 [19:08:40] <mtn> AirPlanes: and you got an answer. nothing is perfect. they work fine on laptops for me
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2818 [19:09:39] <jhutchins> fennesz: You do not need to run rsync as a daemon for normal file transfers. Your ps command did not return an rsync process, so it's not running.
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2822 [19:09:54] <AirPlanes> mtn, which laptop do you have?
2823 [19:10:18] <jhutchins> fennesz: You may need to have it installed on the target server, docs are not entirely clear. dpkg -l "rsync".
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2825 [19:10:31] <mtn> AirPlanes: the laptop does not matter, the hardware matters. just research the hardware you are thinking of using
2826 [19:10:57] <fennesz> jhutchins, sorry dpkg is not supported in openelec(remote)
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2829 [19:11:15] <fennesz> jhutchins, I am trying this replaced-url
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2831 [19:11:26] <jhutchins> fennesz: Use the target systems package tool to verify that rsync is installed.
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2833 [19:11:30] <leba2> Or, is there a way to set global system settings for vim-tiny?
2834 [19:11:43] <AirPlanes> mtn, what hardware specific? graphics card? processor ? please be specific
2835 [19:11:44] <jhutchins> fennesz: If it's linux, which rsync should tell you if it's in the path.
2836 [19:11:57] <AirPlanes> mtn, because you said the laptop does not matter, the hardware matters.
2837 [19:12:01] <fennesz> jhutchins, it is linux
2838 [19:12:12] <mtn> AirPlanes: the hardware you are worried about, of course. you were talking about graphics, so it would be the video card, of course
2839 [19:12:22] <fennesz> jhutchins, ok got the path , let me try
2840 [19:12:25] <jhutchins> leba2: The files in /etc/skel are copied to the user's home directory when an account is created, but not referenced any other time.
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2842 [19:12:47] <AirPlanes> mtn, no
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2844 [19:12:57] <jhutchins> fennesz: This is just to verify that it's available on the target server due to the "command not found" error.
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2846 [19:13:08] <jhutchins> fennesz: Is the remote account set to do anything on log-in?
2847 [19:14:01] <jhutchins> Wow, same error in your URL above....
2848 [19:14:14] <leba2> Understood, but is there a way to set global system settings for vim-tiny? ~/.vimrc works for one user, but neither /etc/vimrc, /etc/vim/vimrc work for global
2849 [19:14:14] <fennesz> jhutchins, dont think so
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2851 [19:14:20] <fennesz> yes this what I am trying to do
2852 [19:14:22] <mtn> AirPlanes: no, what?
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2857 [19:14:50] <fennesz> jhutchins, shall I use the remote path instead of just "rsync" ?
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2861 [19:15:21] <jhutchins> fennesz: If rsync is in the path for the account you're using on the target machine you shouldn't need it.
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2863 [19:15:31] <AirPlanes> mtn, i mean i want to install debian but to disable bluetooth, hotspot, and more stuff
2864 [19:15:36] <jhutchins> fennesz: I'd try the suggestion of using scp and see if that works.
2865 [19:15:55] <jhutchins> fennesz: You could also try originating the copy from the target server.
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2867 [19:16:28] <fennesz> jhutchins, it worked with --rsync-path=PROGRAM at the end
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2870 [19:17:11] <mtn> AirPlanes: sorry, you are making no sense. that has nothing to with what you said about screen tearing or hardware working
2871 [19:17:25] <AirPlanes> mtn, i don't know what is screen tearing
2872 [19:17:40] <mtn> AirPlanes: then why did you talk about it?
2873 [19:17:50] <AirPlanes> I didn't
2874 [19:17:53] <mtn> AirPlanes: [10:08] <AirPlanes> mtn, "I had INSANE screen tearing
2875 [19:17:59] <mtn> AirPlanes: yes, you did
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2878 [19:18:05] <AirPlanes> I wanted to know if it's will work on my laptop
2879 [19:18:08] <mtn> AirPlanes: are you just trolling?
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2881 [19:18:13] <AirPlanes> mtn, i am not
2882 [19:18:23] <tarik> hi all
2883 [19:18:33] <AirPlanes> I wanted to know if debian will work on my laptop and in additional i wanted to disable bluetooth, hotspot
2884 [19:18:34] <mtn> AirPlanes: looks like it. if you have a question, just ask it. don't ask general vague questions
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2886 [19:18:47] <fennesz> yeap it worked !! thank you jhutchins . and everyone else ofc !
2887 [19:18:47] <AirPlanes> if debian will work is vague?
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2889 [19:19:00] <jhutchins> fennesz: Cool!
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2891 [19:19:04] <fennesz> :)
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2894 [19:19:32] <jhutchins> fennesz: My guess is that the rsync binary is not in the target user's path.
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2896 [19:19:36] <AirPlanes> I just wanted to know. :/
2897 [19:19:37] <mtn> AirPlanes: sure is. research your hardware. then you will know
2898 [19:19:48] <fennesz> jhutchins, yes how can I determine if this is ?
2899 [19:19:50] <AirPlanes> mtn, can i pm you?
2900 [19:19:56] <mtn> AirPlanes: no
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2902 [19:20:01] <AirPlanes> O_o
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2905 [19:21:05] <leba2> Is there a way to set global system settings for vim-tiny? ~/.vimrc works for one user, but neither /etc/vimrc, /etc/vim/vimrc work for global
2906 [19:21:07] <jhutchins> fennesz: Log in as that user (preferably over ssh for consistency), do "which rsync". It will either reply with the path or with nothing if not found.
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2909 [19:21:21] <abrotman> AirPlanes: we keep it in the channel, keeps people from leaning on others too heavily, and peer review is great
2910 [19:21:33] <fennesz> jhutchins, I did this before and got the path
2911 [19:21:36] <AirPlanes> well how do i know what hardware to research? I don't understand!
2912 [19:21:50] <fennesz> what do you mean that the path is not in the target user path
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2914 [19:22:11] <mtn> AirPlanes: generally the problem areas are wifi and video
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2916 [19:22:30] <abrotman> the important bits :)
2917 [19:22:47] <fennesz> sry brb jhutchins
2918 [19:22:52] <superrorc> Hi there! i am added jessie-backports, than apt-get update. but sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install openconnect still install package from stable
2919 [19:22:53] <AirPlanes> mtn, will debian tell me to install video drivers or do I need to do that? ( I don't want to install video drivers)
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2922 [19:22:59] <superrorc> any ideas?
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2924 [19:23:05] <greycat> ,v openconnect
2925 [19:23:06] <judd> Package: openconnect on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.25-0.1+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2.25-0.1+squeeze2; wheezy: 3.20-4; jessie: 6.00-2; stretch: 7.06-2+b2; sid: 7.06-2+b2
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2927 [19:23:16] <greycat> There isn't a jessie-backports package of openconnect.
2928 [19:23:17] <mtn> AirPlanes: you may need to install drivers. do you know that debian has a fine wiki you can read?
2929 [19:23:28] <AirPlanes> mtn, did it talk about drivers?
2930 [19:23:32] <superrorc> Package openconnect
2931 [19:23:32] <superrorc> stretch (testing) (net): open client for Cisco AnyConnect VPN
2932 [19:23:32] <superrorc> 7.06-2+b2
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2934 [19:23:40] <mtn> AirPlanes: does it? sure it does.
2935 [19:23:45] <AirPlanes> please link?
2936 [19:23:46] <greycat> stretch is not jessie-backports
2937 [19:23:47] <AirPlanes> ,drivers
2938 [19:23:50] <AirPlanes> ,v drivers
2939 [19:23:52] <judd> No package named 'drivers' was found in amd64.
2940 [19:23:53] <superrorc> replaced-url
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2942 [19:24:00] <AirPlanes> ,help drivers
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2944 [19:24:05] <superrorc> and what is it?
2945 [19:24:05] <AirPlanes> ,commands
2946 [19:24:07] <greycat> testing is not jessie-backports
2947 [19:24:07] <mtn> AirPlanes: did you know you can search for general info on the internet using a search engine?
2948 [19:24:16] <AirPlanes> mtn, i just did
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2950 [19:24:33] <mtn> AirPlanes: great. then you have the link for the debian wiki
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2952 [19:25:04] <superrorc> its debian9, ok
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2956 [19:25:15] <AirPlanes> debian wiki doesn't talk about drivers afaik
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2958 [19:25:28] <greycat> Hint, it's replaced-url
2959 [19:25:33] <superrorc> how can i install it? via apt, not wget + dpkg
2960 [19:25:47] <mtn> AirPlanes: well, boy are you wrong. go to google, type: debian wiki nvidia bet it talks about drivers!
2961 [19:26:04] <greycat> superrorc: There DOES NOT EXIST a jessie-backports version of that package. So your choices become more interesting.
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2963 [19:26:23] <greycat> judd check-backport openconnect
2964 [19:26:24] <judd> Backporting package openconnect in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
2965 [19:26:24] <AirPlanes> mtn, i just wanted to know if it's install automatically
2966 [19:26:36] <mtn> AirPlanes: if what installs automatically?
2967 [19:26:37] <greycat> You can build your own backport package from source, if judd isn't lying.
2968 [19:26:42] <mtn> AirPlanes: be specific
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2971 [19:27:00] <jhutchins> fennesz: I think it's something special to your arm system. I see that problem reported on other arm systems.
2972 [19:27:09] <AirPlanes> mtn, nvidia drivers, wifi drivers. If I do like apt-get update and then upgrade or even dist upgrade. Will it install automatically ? (the drivers i mean)
2973 [19:27:28] <mtn> AirPlanes: why don't you bother to read the wiki? it has the answers!
2974 [19:27:29] <greycat> AirPlanes: Your questions are too vague. What hardware are you working with? What drivers do you need?
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2976 [19:27:35] <streulma> hello I need a minimal X11 Windows system to only startup in background qemu and on foreground xpra (remote X11)
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2982 [19:28:41] <AirPlanes> greycat, i didn't install debian yet. I'm doing research. I asked if debian install wifi drivers, nvidia automatically but no one answer me so I will read wiki
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2984 [19:29:05] <greycat> Does your machine have a recent nvidia video chipset? If so, you can expect some Interesting Times.
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2987 [19:29:33] <jhutchins> streulma: You don't actually need much to run x apps remotely.
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2989 [19:29:50] <jhutchins> streulma: I think if you install the xclock package it'll pull the necessary libraries.
2990 [19:30:07] <AirPlanes> greycat, i didn't understand the question but the graphical card is GTX 860M
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2994 [19:30:55] <streulma> maybe I can start from a minimal system (no gui) and install xclock
2995 [19:31:21] <streulma> but how can I then start Xpra ?
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2999 [19:32:11] <leba2> Any vim-tiny users here?
3000 [19:32:12] <greycat> GTX 860M appears on replaced-url
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3005 [19:32:46] <greycat> Which is linked from replaced-url
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3007 [19:33:18] <greycat> So if you need the proprietary Nvidia driver for this chipset, then it looks promising, since it's listed here.
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3017 [19:36:21] <leba2> greycat: by chance, have you used vim-tiny?
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3019 [19:36:40] <greycat> Probably? Not on purpose, but I'm sure it has happened at various points.
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3022 [19:37:22] <leba2> ouch
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3024 [19:38:19] <rake> nano
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3026 [19:38:48] <rake> startx
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3030 [19:39:39] <themill> leba2: I have a /etc/vim/vimrc.tiny here -- I assume that is relevant
3031 [19:39:56] <mayhew> leba2: I'm just curious why you don't install `vim`?
3032 [19:39:57] <greycat> I don't know what the real question is.
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3035 [19:40:18] <XndrK> Do the packages in debian-main update between version releases?
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3037 [19:40:39] <themill> XndrK: only to fix security and other important bugs
3038 [19:40:41] <mayhew> XndrK: very few security sensitive packages like Firefox ESR
3039 [19:40:41] <greycat> There are security releases and "point releases" over the lifespan of a stable release.
3040 [19:40:54] <mayhew> XndrK: and Chromium IIRC
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3042 [19:41:09] <greycat> And sometimes BIND or Samba!
3043 [19:41:09] <mayhew> because they can't reasonably backport security fixes to those huge browsers, so they just update them.
3044 [19:41:15] <leba2> greycat: is there a way to set global system settings for vim-tiny? ~/.vimrc works for one user, but neither /etc/vimrc, /etc/vim/vimrc work for global.
3045 [19:41:33] <leba2> mayhew: because I'm trying to stay as much minimal default as possible.
3046 [19:41:34] <XndrK> K
3047 [19:41:38] <mayhew> leba2: /etc/vim/vimrc.tiny
3048 [19:41:55] <XndrK> I have Debian installed with MATE; is there a way to start Debian in text mode?
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3050 [19:42:07] <ygdfusgig> hi
3051 [19:42:11] <greycat> If you're trying to "stay minimal default", why are you changing OTHER USERS' experiences?
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3054 [19:42:59] <themill> XndrK: /msg dpkg nodm
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3056 [19:44:17] <XndrK> What exactly does that do?
3057 [19:44:18] <ygdfusgig> i want to install virtual box in debian but on some website they says use 64 bit chroot arcitecture
3058 [19:44:26] <ygdfusgig> is this really require
3059 [19:44:26] <themill> dpkg: tell XndrK about nodm
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3061 [19:45:14] <leba2> greycat: because I'm not well right now, just had a fight at part time job and I could not control my temper. I'm sorry. No more questions.
3062 [19:45:20] <leba2> And sorry for disturbing.
3063 [19:45:57] <bezaban> ygdfusgig: do you have a 64bit system/kerneL?
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3065 [19:46:22] <ygdfusgig> 32 bit
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3069 [19:47:06] <bezaban> ygdfusgig: oh. then I don't know. Looks like you might have to
3070 [19:47:37] <bezaban> ,v virtualbox
3071 [19:47:38] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.0.24-dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 5.0.24-dfsg-2; stretch/contrib:
3072 [19:47:39] <judd> 5.0.24-dfsg-2
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3074 [19:48:25] <bezaban> isn't there an option to see i386 packages?
3075 [19:48:33] <mayhew> leba2: you're not disturbing, this is what IRC is for.
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3077 [19:50:22] <leba2> mayhew: thanks. I *should have* ls-ed /etc/vim sooner. greycat: I'm sorry.
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3086 [19:51:11] <bezaban> ygdfusgig: I think those instructions might just apply to mixed systems eg. systems with 64bit kernels and 32bit packages
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3090 [19:51:49] <bezaban> ygdfusgig: at least the ones I could find with google. Where are you reading it? if apt-get install virtualbox works I would give that a try
3091 [19:51:50] <ygdfusgig> i downloaded .deb package of virtual box
3092 [19:52:04] <bezaban> use the package manager if you want a stable system
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3094 [19:52:13] <ygdfusgig> but someone telll me it will require 64 bit chroot environment
3095 [19:52:21] <ygdfusgig> does i really need it ?
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3099 [19:52:49] <bezaban> ygdfusgig: as I already said. that might only apply to mixed systems. Try installing using apt
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3103 [19:53:29] <jelly> ,i silversearcher-ag
3104 [19:53:30] <judd> Package silversearcher-ag (utils, extra) in jessie/amd64: very fast grep-like program, alternative to ack-grep. Version: 0.26.0-1; Size: 28.3k; Installed: 113k; Homepage: replaced-url
3105 [19:53:33] <ygdfusgig> i try with apt
3106 [19:53:37] <bezaban> if your entire system is 32bit I think that should work. The only reference I can find online to the chroot is if you have a 64bit kernel and 32bit packages
3107 [19:53:46] <XndrK> So I figured out how to disable the GUI (Ctrl-Alt-F[#]), but I couldn't re-enable it, so I had to shut down and restart.
3108 [19:53:52] <ygdfusgig> but it not work becuz i need to add line to etc/apt/sources.list
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3110 [19:53:59] <ygdfusgig> but m trouble to add lines
3111 [19:54:17] <ygdfusgig> i use nano command to open that file but as soon as i save it it not saving
3112 [19:54:22] <ygdfusgig> so apt not woriking
3113 [19:54:26] <TomTomTosch> XndrK: x usually runs on tty7, so ctrl + alt ü f7
3114 [19:54:37] <bezaban> ygdfusgig: yeah, you need to add 'contrib', not an entire line
3115 [19:54:42] <TomTomTosch> accidentally a umlaut
3116 [19:54:59] <bezaban> I would focus on fixing apt..
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3118 [19:55:51] <TomTomTosch> XndrK: it's not disabling the gui, it's just switching the console.
3119 [19:56:07] <ygdfusgig> if i try with files with gui
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3122 [19:56:19] <ygdfusgig> then it says u dont have permission to change this
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3126 [19:57:17] <leba2> It's funny how I need to unplug network cable(s) -this pc has no wireless devices- in order to be able to configure network *from* Debian installer itself.
3127 [19:57:45] <greycat> Editing system files usually requires root privileges, which usually means you use a terminal-based or command-line tool, not a GUI tool. Usually.
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3130 [19:58:41] <ygdfusgig> i give root level permission but its not working
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3140 [20:01:33] <XndrK> TomTomTosch: How do I switch back?
3141 [20:01:54] <TomTomTosch> XndrK: ctrl + alt + f7
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3143 [20:02:40] <TomTomTosch> XndrK: or just toggle through all the ttys till you get to the one where x is running on.
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3153 [20:05:41] <leba2> In another different thing, I noticed when installing Debian al normal (yet minimal) with network plugged, it takes a network time, which is correct on system, *but not in BIOS time*! If installing Debian without network it cannot take network time, so BIOS time is correct, *but not OS's time*!
3154 [20:05:53] <leba2> I imagien this has to do with udp/networ time stuff.
3155 [20:05:56] <enoch85> hey guys, anyone that knows how I restore from this backup? replaced-url
3156 [20:06:01] <leba2> But how can I turn it off?
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3162 [20:08:43] <jhutchins> leba2: The standard Linux configuration is that the hardware clock is assumed to be set to UTC, and the time reported in the shell is set by the locale.
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3164 [20:09:10] <jhutchins> leba2: You can change that; how depends on which release you're on.
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3169 [20:09:38] <jhutchins> !UTC
3170 [20:09:38] <dpkg> Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (replaced-url
3171 [20:09:38] <Sleepy63> [ UTC: Sat 2016-07-02 05:50:06 ]
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3173 [20:10:22] <jhutchins> Sleepy63: That ain't right.
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3187 [20:11:39] <leba2> jhutchins: I thought it was obvious, but I see it's not. I'm using latest 8.5. Also, I'd like to disable it in case I need to dual-boot with other OSs.
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3193 [20:12:18] <leba2> Because, say, Windows takes BIOS's time, which gets wrong with UTC.
3194 [20:12:25] <awal1> leba2, check timedatectl
3195 [20:13:36] <jhutchins> leba2: It says right there how to set it to UTC.
3196 [20:13:48] <jhutchins> leba2: I mean set it to LOCAL.
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3200 [20:14:27] <leba2> ^ "ctl"... ah, yes, systemd again...
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3202 [20:14:52] <awal1> leba2, dualboot with windows will always be a problem. so if you want to have acorrect time in windows but wrong in linux run timedatectl set-local-rtc 1
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3210 [20:15:20] <awal1> if you want a correct time in linux and wrong in windows run timedatectl set-local-rtc 0
3211 [20:15:31] <awal1> 0 for utc and 1 local
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3216 [20:16:14] <awal1> timedatectl status will let you know what you have right now
3217 [20:16:14] <leba2> awall: the way I always solved thsi issue was precisely disabling UTC on Linux; this way both Windows and Linux took BIOS's time.
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3220 [20:16:19] <leba2> awall: the way I always solved thsi issue was precisely disabling UTC on Linux; this way both Windows and Linux took BIOS's time.
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3222 [20:16:26] <leba2> awal1: the way I always solved thsi issue was precisely disabling UTC on Linux; this way both Windows and Linux took BIOS's time.
3223 [20:16:53] <jhutchins> leba2: You are confusing timezone with time source.
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3225 [20:17:09] <awal1> leba2, thats your choice but you may get all the time an error/advise message on boot
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3228 [20:17:38] <jhutchins> leba2: Actually, I apologize, the dpkg factoid does not cover 8.x, awal1's info is more correct.
3229 [20:17:40] <leba2> jhutchins: but I remember in other distros I selected my correct timezone AND disabled UTC, and it worked like I liked...
3230 [20:17:43] <awal1> timedatectl status should tell you why using utc is better
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3233 [20:18:10] <jhutchins> leba2: UTC isn't something you enable/disable.
3234 [20:18:29] <awal1> bios "clock" is never up-to-date
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3237 [20:19:01] <jhutchins> awal1: Using NTP skew keeps it pretty close.
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3240 [20:19:14] <leba2> jhutchins: in other distros I have seen check-able option "my system uses UTC", or "Use network time"
3241 [20:19:22] <leba2> ^ that's what I mean.
3242 [20:19:24] <awal1> jhutchins, no clue :P
3243 [20:19:24] <jhutchins> leba2: Two different things.
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3245 [20:20:07] <leba2> Also, I prefer using BIOS clock because I can precisely set it and control it, instead of depending on the internet
3246 [20:20:13] <jhutchins> leba2: You can set the system (not hardware) clock from network time, or sync it, you can sync the hardware clock withsystem time.
3247 [20:20:13] <leba2> Gives me more tranquility
3248 [20:20:45] <jhutchins> leba2: Internet time is FAR more accurate, a flaw in the x86 architecture means the hardware clock is seldom accurate.
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3250 [20:21:22] <jhutchins> leba2: So you have two issues here: WHether to use network time, and whether to set the hardware clock to local or UTC.
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3252 [20:21:57] <jhutchins> leba2: For use with windows, it's easiest to use local time (although you can fix windows to work with UTC).
3253 [20:22:24] <leba2> awal1, jhutchins: also, I often need to disable UTC usage because some virtualization software does weird stuff with UTC.
3254 [20:22:35] <leba2> (I don't know how to handle utc in the virtualization software)
3255 [20:22:35] <jhutchins> leba2: The system reads the hardware clock at boot, and it writes the system time to it on shutdown.
3256 [20:22:53] <leba2> Say, VirtualBox and Proxmox
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3260 [20:23:23] <jhutchins> leba2: virtualbox should handle it correctly. Not sure about proxmox. Vmware and parallels handle it correctly.
3261 [20:23:31] <awal1> I have time set to utc and my vms to ufc too and all fine
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3263 [20:23:53] <awal1> perfectly synchronized
3264 [20:24:23] <jhutchins> leba2: If you run NTP inside a virtual system, it should be set to reference the host system.
3265 [20:24:31] <awal1> virtualbox here, does a nice job
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3269 [20:24:37] <leba2> jhutchins: with "hardware clock", do we mean "BIOS clock"?
3270 [20:24:44] <jhutchins> leba2: Yes.
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3272 [20:25:21] <jhutchins> leba2: The "system clock" is more of a virtual clock, and it's what the OS uses for time references.
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3274 [20:25:39] <leba2> Well, the issue I talk about is, with "wrong time" I mean I got a number of hours added or substracted (number of hours depending of my timezone)
3275 [20:25:53] <jhutchins> leba2: It, too, is innacurate, but can be corrected for drift by ntp.
3276 [20:25:54] <leba2> Minutes are never wrong curiously.
3277 [20:25:54] <fennesz> jhutchins, sry had to run
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3279 [20:26:34] <jhutchins> fennesz: No problem. You got it working, right?
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3282 [20:26:45] <fennesz> is there a way I can add rsync to the user path?
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3285 [20:27:02] <fennesz> jhutchins, yes I did
3286 [20:27:20] <jhutchins> fennesz: There seems to be some sort of exception in the arm architecture; it's already in the user's path, but not in the path for rsync sessions.
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3289 [20:27:43] <fennesz> jhutchins, hmm a bit confused
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3291 [20:28:03] <leba2> <jhutchins> leba2: For use with windows, it's easiest to use local time (although you can fix windows to work with UTC). <jhutchins> leba2: The system reads the hardware clock at boot, and it writes the system time to it on shutdown.
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3293 [20:28:15] <leba2> ^ Yes, *yes*! That's precisely what I've seen!
3294 [20:28:15] <fennesz> jhutchins, what s the path for rsync sessions?
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3296 [20:28:23] <jhutchins> fennesz: Linux distinguishes between an interactive shell where a user is logged in, and a program session where it's not actually running a shell.
3297 [20:29:01] <jhutchins> fennesz: I think you should consult the resources for your ARM OS on that, it appears to be different from i86 linux.
3298 [20:29:12] <fennesz> jhutchins, ok I will
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3305 [20:30:40] <fennesz> jhutchins, many thanks again
3306 [20:30:42] <jhutchins> leba2: So what you appear to want to do is to set timedatectl to use local time, and possibly disable network time checking (although checking is a good idea).
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3309 [20:31:25] <jhutchins> leba2: You'll also need to make the same setting in any linux VMs you run.
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3311 [20:32:04] <x1> hi
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3313 [20:32:35] <jhutchins> The one thing I find annoying about linux time is that some programs log in UTC and some in local.
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3316 [20:32:53] <awal1> example?
3317 [20:33:00] <leba2_> jhutchins: but when system writes time on shutdown, this is when system actually turns hardware time wrong!
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3319 [20:33:47] <jhutchins> leba2_: By default it should be setting the hardware clock to UTC.
3320 [20:34:36] <jhutchins> leba2_: replaced-url
3321 [20:34:39] <leba2_> And then why does it has the effect of adding hours to hardware clock?
3322 [20:35:22] <jhutchins> leba2_: What is your local timezone?
3323 [20:36:05] <leba2_> And when installing Debian without network connection, hardware clock is left in peace and correct, but now it has the side efect of substracting hours to system time!
3324 [20:36:37] <leba2_> Makes me thing Debian installs/tries to use UTC whether there's network access or not
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3328 [20:37:12] <jhutchins> leba2_: systemd tries to check a network server on startup, if there's no network it doesn't reach one.
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3332 [20:38:44] <jhutchins> leba2_: This is not something Debian does, it's something systemd does, and Debian uses systemd.
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3335 [20:39:16] <jhutchins> leba2_: There is a man page for timedatectl that may help you understand the system.
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3340 [20:40:44] <leba2_> Will give it a read first.
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3354 [20:45:40] <leba2_> What's RTC clock? Hardware or system?
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3356 [20:46:07] <greycat> "Real time clock" is hardware, I believe. It's confusing as hell and I've been doing this for 20+ years.
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3359 [20:46:48] <leba2_> jhutchins: ^ ??
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3370 [20:49:13] <awal1> leba2, man rtc
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3395 [20:57:48] <leba2_> Is it normal for a minimal core Debian installation to not be able to use timedatectl or hostnamectl due to lacking dbus package?
3396 [20:57:50] <leba2_> WTH!?
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3398 [20:58:09] <greycat> Probably, yeah.
3399 [20:58:22] <greycat> A minimal installation is really only intended to be able to install more stuff.
3400 [20:59:15] <leba2_> ^ again, WTH
3401 [20:59:30] <greycat> Install what you need.
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3405 [21:02:06] <jelly> leba2_: yes, debian 8 does not use either of those by default
3406 [21:02:34] <leba2_> And I *strongly* wonder WHY is Debian uses systemd itself.
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3408 [21:03:01] <jelly> the features that systemd provides are integrated slowly and carefully
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3410 [21:03:31] <jelly> eh. hostnamectl clashes with usage of /etc/hosts
3411 [21:03:34] <jelly> eg.*
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3421 [21:07:13] <Quiznos> i have a serios chicken egg problem
3422 [21:07:31] <Quiznos> building a sudo-lfs dist here at home
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3424 [21:07:52] <jhutchins> Quiznos: sudo or pseudo?
3425 [21:07:53] <Quiznos> but building sed from src requires libattr, not installed,
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3427 [21:07:57] <Quiznos> both
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3430 [21:08:17] <Quiznos> and libattr configure deps on libattr installed
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3432 [21:08:28] <Quiznos> how do i break src and bin deps?
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3435 [21:09:08] <Quiznos> damn programs are too complex for their owb damned good
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3437 [21:09:13] <x1> any guide to install debian using RAID ?
3438 [21:09:29] <jhutchins> awal1: Excellent reference.
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3443 [21:10:45] <Quiznos> well.
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3446 [21:11:21] <jhutchins> Quiznos: I belive there are resources for building lfs systems. I wouldn't expect a lot of specific knowledge here.
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3448 [21:11:41] <Quiznos> that;s not what i;m looking for
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3450 [21:12:46] <robinro> Hi, I'm running testing and gpg --gen-key get's stuck generating a key, same for gpg, gpg2 and seahorse
3451 [21:13:13] <jhutchins> robinro: Does this happen with stable?
3452 [21:13:13] <greycat> Wiggle the mouse. Type stuff. Send packets to network services.
3453 [21:13:23] <greycat> Generate more entropy, in other words.
3454 [21:13:38] <chaddy> he's right, you know
3455 [21:14:12] <robinro> jhutchins: don't have stable available here
3456 [21:14:27] <robinro> I don't think it's entropy, had it running in the background for 30 mins
3457 [21:14:30] <jhutchins> robinro: How can you test if you can't compare behavior to stable?
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3459 [21:15:08] <robinro> testing works most of the time and if stuff breaks I can report it, right?
3460 [21:15:15] <greycat> Sure, but not here.
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3462 [21:15:31] <x1> trying to update repositry but got NO_PUBKEY D1820DB22A11534E
3463 [21:15:36] <x1> sorry
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3465 [21:15:53] <jhutchins> robinro: True, but how can you tell something that's broken because it's testing from something that's broken because of something else (like config errors)?
3466 [21:16:29] <mutante> x1: gpg --search-keys D1820DB22A11534E | apt-key
3467 [21:16:38] <mutante> eh.. similar
3468 [21:16:44] <jhutchins> robinro: Anyway, I'm with greycat: Key generation scripts often fail on headless servers because there's no local input, which they require for "entropy".
3469 [21:17:25] <greycat> You shouldn't be generating keypairs on a non-local machine anyway.
3470 [21:17:26] <robinro> this is on my development laptop, there is plenty of entropy; I've generated keys in the past and it was quick (~10 seconds)
3471 [21:17:33] <jhutchins> robinro: I have a rather old bug open with RedHat regarding that.
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3476 [21:18:34] <mutante> x1: sorry, this: gpg --recv-keys D1820DB22A11534E | sudo apt-key add -
3477 [21:19:02] <mutante> x1: first step is downloading it from keyserver with gpg, second step adding the imported key with apt-key to APT
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3482 [21:21:21] <penrod_> greetings : any "vacation" program experts here ? Is there a way to have the vacation program use the virtual email address in the from field for the auto responses ? (it currently uses the username)
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3503 [21:33:00] <jhutchins> penrod_: THat might be determined by the mail agent it's using.
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3507 [21:33:30] <jhutchins> penrod_: That is very old-school stuff if you're talking about the *nix shell program.
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3512 [21:34:21] <greycat> Also, mail has no concept of "user names". It has the envelope sender, and it has the headers (one of which is indeed "From:" but you'd be better off looking at "Reply-to:" first.)
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3515 [21:34:56] <greycat> Most vacation-type programs probably respond to the envelope sender, which is the same place bounces go to.
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3518 [21:35:38] <greycat> If your correspondents are sending email with invalid envelope sender addresses, they won't be getting any error messages (bounces), so they need to fix that.
3519 [21:35:54] <robinro> jhutchins greycat: it was entropy after all, thanks for the help
3520 [21:36:07] <jhutchins> penrod_: Are you using the -a option?
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3523 [21:36:32] <penrod_> jhutchins , yes only for the alias
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3525 [21:36:53] <jhutchins> robinro: I wish those systems had an option. "Yes, I know it's pseudo random, but use /dev/random, I don't have entropy".
3526 [21:37:13] <greycat> jhutchins: you've got things all backwards and confused.
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3528 [21:37:24] <penrod_> jhutchins: yes it is old, I am managing a debian squeeze server for a buddy while he is on holidays
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3530 [21:37:30] <jhutchins> penrod_: It's really intended for in-system mail, pre-internet.
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3534 [21:38:02] <penrod_> jhutchins: thanks
3535 [21:38:09] <greycat> /dev/random and /dev/urandom both use the kernel's entropy, but urandom will fudge things with unreliable bits
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3541 [21:39:19] <jhutchins> penrod_: According to this: replaced-url
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3544 [21:39:47] <bratchley> I'm trying to write a NetworkManager dispatcher script for the first time and it doesn't look like it's getting called. I've verified path and permissions, what else might cause this?
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3551 [21:40:39] <fennesz> Guys would you recommend upgrading to debian 9 ? I am currently running debian 8 x64 and have no problems with it , but was wondering if the upgrade is worth the try
3552 [21:40:47] <greycat> No.
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3554 [21:41:21] <fennesz> greycat, you re reffering to my question?
3555 [21:41:22] <jhutchins> fennesz: If you want to play with it and contribute to the testing process you could dual-boot to it.
3556 [21:41:23] <jmcnaught> fennesz: Debian 8 works well for you because of all the work that went into testing and preparing it. That work isn't completed yet for Debian 9
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3558 [21:42:17] <fennesz> ok 1
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3613 [22:03:14] <roger25> so who's wining?
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3617 [22:03:57] <greycat> Charlie Sheen
3618 [22:04:14] <roger25> 8)
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3671 [22:37:27] <mazert> hello, I use kmail on sid and after creating an IMAP account, I can't see it in account list in the left sidebar
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3673 [22:37:52] <mazert> also, domain name detection is not working
3674 [22:38:13] <mazert> I think it is because a package is missing, but I don't know which one
3675 [22:38:40] <markybob> mazert: you're in the wrong place. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
3676 [22:39:11] <mazert> markybob: ok, thanks you
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3695 [22:46:46] <jhutchins> Once again it would be useful to know if the same problem occurs in stable.
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3703 [22:49:53] <jmd> On stretch I cannot start the X server as a mortal. Only as root. Do I have to give users explicit permission somehow?
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3705 [22:50:25] <markybob> jmd: ask the stretch channel. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
3706 [22:50:27] <greycat> jmd: OFTC network, #debian-next
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3719 [22:56:18] <jhutchins> Actually, I think that's true on all current releases.
3720 [22:57:03] <jhutchins> Probably on multiple Distros for that matter.
3721 [22:57:24] <jhutchins> jmd: What command are you using?
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3726 [22:58:09] <streulma> how can I remove all display managers like openbox xfce... and only have a minimal X Window System ?
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3728 [22:58:31] <greycat> streulma: /msg dpkg nodm
3729 [22:58:44] <jhutchins> streulma: Any particular reason to remove instead of just not run?
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3731 [22:59:08] <streulma> I need to run only xpra
3732 [22:59:27] <greycat> Removing is better if you never want it to run.
3733 [22:59:37] <greycat> Disabling is better if you maybe want it to run some time in the future.
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3742 [23:02:30] <zmitya> hi guys
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3744 [23:02:43] <zmitya> how can I specify an IP alias for my lxc container ?
3745 [23:02:48] <zmitya> I have this: replaced-url
3746 [23:02:58] <zmitya> this is a Wheezy
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3760 [23:07:07] <Echo6> ok. I have confirmed that the poller is working and data is being stored in the RRD files. I can render the graph manually but can't get it to show up in cacti.
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3769 [23:09:02] <jhutchins> Echo6: Dunno, I never could get that stuff to work.
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3771 [23:09:37] <Echo6> I've got it working on several servers and a couple raspberry pi's but can't get it working on the orange pis.
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3780 [23:11:27] <jhutchins> streulma: I think the approach I'd take (assuming I'd installed a full X environment) would be to purge X completely, then install xpra, then whatever applications you want.
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3784 [23:11:57] <jhutchins> streulma: X forwarding requires a few libraries on the system, but nowhere near a full X install. xpra should be similar.
3785 [23:11:58] <greycat> That's a rather... comprehensive approach.
3786 [23:12:22] <jhutchins> streulma: Installing the apps should pull in what you need.
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3789 [23:13:09] <jhutchins> greycat: Given that packages can easily be replaced and there's probably not much customization to be preserved...
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3791 [23:13:30] <jhutchins> streulma: THanks for bringing xpra to my attention.
3792 [23:13:54] <streulma> xserver-xorg-video-fbturbo : Depends: xorg-video-abi-19
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3798 [23:14:24] <jhutchins> streulma: Do you even need xserver?
3799 [23:14:36] <streulma> yes
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3802 [23:16:15] <jhutchins> So I see.
3803 [23:16:21] * jhutchins continues reading up.
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3810 [23:18:39] <jhutchins> Sex here it can handle direct attachment to the remote xserver if no local xserver is running.
3811 [23:18:44] <jhutchins> Sez.
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3842 [23:30:13] <leba2> jelly: why were we saying Debian minimal installation does not include dbus even when Debian uses systemd itself?
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3884 [23:44:14] <jane_doe> Question: I am used to doing ifconfig on ubuntu to see my network info. What do I use on debian for this?
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3892 [23:46:01] <petemc> jane_doe: /sbin/ifconfig or /sbin/ip a
3893 [23:46:45] <jane_doe> Thanks!
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