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0 [00:01:02] <streulma> yes on a rpi :-)
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2 [00:03:11] <streulma> I build the vm on main pc with no-kvm then I copy to raspberry and it boot black screen
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32 [00:15:19] <pneumatik> so, i've just installed debian jessie on my old laptop that i wish to turn into a server
33 [00:15:30] <pneumatik> and i installed nginx and got a basic html page working
34 [00:16:15] <pneumatik> i've now installed php5-fpm, php5-xcache, php-pear, and php5-intl
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36 [00:16:23] <pneumatik> because i want to run a mediawiki
37 [00:16:38] <pneumatik> but mediawiki, as a package, doesn't really...exist
38 [00:16:43] <roger21> why not apache though?
39 [00:16:56] <pneumatik> roger21: i wanted something lighter
40 [00:17:03] <roger21> meh
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44 [00:17:57] <roger21> just follow the instruction on mediawiki wiki
45 [00:18:10] <pneumatik> what about when there's an update needed or something?
46 [00:18:28] <roger21> hmmm yep ...
47 [00:18:29] <pneumatik> or is that not really a mediawiki problem
48 [00:18:40] <pneumatik> i'm sorry, i'm new to debian and servers and everything
49 [00:18:55] <pneumatik> i use arch normally but I know that that wouldn't work for a server
50 [00:19:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys is the user backup a special user on debian machines?
51 [00:19:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> should i not be using it for backups of other things?
52 [00:19:32] <roger21> although, there is a mediawiki package
53 [00:20:07] <roger21> oh no removed
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57 [00:23:23] <awal1> Any tool for find/list all the reported RC bugs which affect the pkg in use in my system?
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59 [00:25:24] <awal1> I looked ar popbugs (debian-goodies) but it requires popularity-contest to be installed and activated. So wondering if there is another tool with similar feature.
60 [00:25:37] <awal1> looked at ^
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63 [00:26:19] <awal1> apt-listbugs can the same job as popbugs?
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66 [00:26:53] <awal1> can do ^
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74 [00:30:50] <pneumatik> why is this happening? replaced-url
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78 [00:32:37] <teraflops> pneumatik: looks like youre doing ssh from arch to debian, but you lack of termite terminfo file on the debian machine
79 [00:32:38] <mtn> pneumatik: did you read the debian wiki section on sudo?
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87 [00:38:07] <AirPlanes> pneumatik, also for me
88 [00:38:20] <AirPlanes> pneumatik, open crtl+alt+f1
89 [00:38:25] <AirPlanes> its tty1
90 [00:38:31] <pneumatik> oh
91 [00:38:34] <pneumatik> i think i fixed it
92 [00:38:43] <pneumatik> i exported TERM=linux
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95 [00:40:07] <AirPlanes> how?
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98 [00:40:26] <AirPlanes> pneumatik, replaced-url
99 [00:40:27] <pneumatik> AirPlanes: I ran export TERM=linux
100 [00:40:32] <AirPlanes> in sudo?
101 [00:40:43] <pneumatik> no, in my ssh session
102 [00:40:48] <pneumatik> i didn't need to visudo anyways
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104 [00:40:58] <pneumatik> i just adduser'd myself into the sudo group
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106 [00:41:03] <pneumatik> like the wiki page said
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116 [00:44:19] <teraflops> pneumatik: if the remote machine is yours consider copying xterm-termite file to ~/.terminfo/x/xterm-termite on the debian machine
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121 [00:47:38] <pneumatik> teraflops: okie
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132 [00:54:04] <tdunk> does anyone know how the 64k versions of debian are generated for nas devices and how to create packages and binaries for them?
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145 [01:05:20] <woshty> How do I get nice to work properly?
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150 [01:06:00] <mtn> !ask
151 [01:06:00] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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157 [01:08:59] <jhutchins> woshty: It works the way it works. Man page is a good place to start.
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159 [01:10:33] <woshty> jhutchins: Well, it just does not. I am trying to get a Virtualbox process not to be the one to consume most cpu, and it just does about nothing .. setting that process to +19 and another one to -10
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164 [01:11:55] <jhutchins> woshty: nice is one of the older *nix commands, and it does what it does. It may not do what you expect, but it works the way it's supposed to. There may be other ways to allocate CPU to other tasks.
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166 [01:13:33] <woshty> jhutchins: yeah. I distinctly remember it having a lot more impact. thx.
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213 [01:30:15] <squarecircle> ohai
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219 [01:32:54] <squarecircle> I'm using debian 8 and I'm experiencing regurlarly freezes evere once in a while, regurlary around 0100 hours. I can't use my machine anymore and it shows high disk activity. ssh login works and dstat shows around 150MByte/s reading constantly (ssd drive). currently I'd like to install iotop, but since ~8 minutes it only got to 9% building dependency tree. Anyone an idea whats freezing my system?
220 [01:33:25] <squarecircle> on my second debian 8 system it does not happen at all. only on this particular system
221 [01:33:43] <squarecircle> and it does not happen on the servers (as much as I know)
222 [01:34:28] <phogg> Could be an actual hardware issue. If you suspect a misbehaving process is saturating the disk and you have local access then try killing everything (or enter single user mode)
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225 [01:35:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> cron daily stuff probably runs at the time... and that can include io intense things like updating the locate database
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227 [01:35:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> but that shouldn't freeze the system
228 [01:35:45] <tntc> squarecircle: might be worth checking the smart status of the drive
229 [01:36:05] <phogg> Right, and the IO scheduler should give approximately equal time to the apt process installing iostat
230 [01:36:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> look in dmesg for io errors...
231 [01:36:23] <squarecircle> apt cancelled
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233 [01:36:56] <squarecircle> no "ioerror" in dmesg
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235 [01:37:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> I didn't mean the string as such...
236 [01:38:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> but if it's managing to freeze the system it probably repeats quite a bit
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238 [01:38:15] <squarecircle> I'm now searching for "IO" in dmesg
239 [01:38:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> just look at the most recent lines
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241 [01:38:42] <squarecircle> I have some ACPI Warning: SystemIO range" conflicts
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244 [01:39:16] <phogg> squarecircle: just tail -f the log and watch for anything suspicious for a minute or so
245 [01:39:30] <squarecircle> wifi reauthenticated
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247 [01:40:22] <squarecircle> no nothing suspicious
248 [01:40:42] <squarecircle> and its back to normal it seems
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250 [01:41:04] <squarecircle> I had this issue a lot with tracker-miner, but it did not freeze the system entirely
251 [01:42:22] <tntc> I'd maybe throw smartmontools on there
252 [01:42:40] <tntc> see if smartctl -a /dev/sda or whatever has any issues
253 [01:43:05] <squarecircle> "No Errors Logged"
254 [01:43:14] <tntc> hrm :/
255 [01:43:18] <squarecircle> and every value is "Old_age"
256 [01:43:19] <squarecircle> ^^
257 [01:43:44] <tntc> that's just an indicator of what a failure means, doesn't actually mean they're failing
258 [01:44:00] <squarecircle> but how does a defective ssd drive would cause my system to read the entire disk?
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260 [01:44:36] <squarecircle> it was like 20minutes with ~100MB/s and the drives capacity is like 250GB
261 [01:44:38] <squarecircle> :/
262 [01:44:44] <tntc> it's more that it would possibly cause weird I/O behavior like trying to reread a dead sector
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266 [01:46:15] <squarecircle> ok
267 [01:46:57] <tntc> lsof have anything weird open?
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269 [01:47:12] <squarecircle> tntc: its over by now
270 [01:47:21] <squarecircle> system behaves normally
271 [01:47:34] <tntc> can you trigger it by setting the clock to the time it typically scans?
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273 [01:47:59] <squarecircle> don't know
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275 [01:48:06] <squarecircle> didn't try
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278 [01:49:13] <tntc> squarecircle: do you have a RAID attached? like with mdadm?
279 [01:49:39] <squarecircle> tntc: nope its a laptop with disk encryption
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281 [01:49:45] <squarecircle> nothing fancy
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284 [01:51:15] <tntc> the timing just makes me think of when my Fedora systems would check the raid every night for some reason
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286 [01:52:16] <squarecircle> chromium was killed because out of memory ...
287 [01:52:24] <squarecircle> I ain't no swap!
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289 [01:54:01] <squarecircle> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm confused
290 [01:54:33] <tntc> squarecircle: the symptoms are tricky and intermittent. hrm.
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294 [01:57:00] <squarecircle> I guess its the tracker miner stuff
295 [01:57:09] <squarecircle> but I'm not sure
296 [01:57:39] <squarecircle> is there a way to log every ten minutes the top10 most active driver users?
297 [01:58:01] <tntc> driver users?
298 [01:58:06] <tntc> I mean a cron job maybe
299 [01:58:13] <tntc> oh, drive user?
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302 [01:59:55] <tntc> maybe iotop
303 [02:00:03] <tntc> though I don't know of a way to record it
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305 [02:00:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> there's a counter that counts drive uses
306 [02:00:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> reads/writes... but only globally
307 [02:00:45] <tntc> there's got to be one at a per process level though yeah?
308 [02:01:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> squarecircle, you could run opensnoop before 1am
309 [02:01:34] <squarecircle> ok
310 [02:01:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> tntc, well... there's all kinds of stuff in /proc/pid/ ... but it's always gone when the process is gone
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312 [02:01:44] <squarecircle> opensnoops does?
313 [02:01:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> tell you what files are opened on the system
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316 [02:03:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> it snoops on the opens
317 [02:03:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> open... snoop
318 [02:04:04] <squarecircle> ok, cool
319 [02:04:10] <squarecircle> also by whom?
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323 [02:07:37] <squarecircle> thank you all :)
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325 [02:08:24] <tntc> squarecircle: good luck buddy!
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336 [02:13:03] <Akuw> what tols are there to test penetration ?
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341 [02:15:22] <bazhang> Akuw, which were you looking for
342 [02:15:52] <Akuw> well, i don't know anything about it
343 [02:16:23] <bazhang> Akuw, there are many intenet guides on this
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349 [02:18:20] <Akuw> i found this replaced-url
350 [02:18:54] <bazhang> Akuw, there's a kali linux support channel
351 [02:19:00] <bazhang> are you on kali
352 [02:19:03] <Akuw> ok
353 [02:19:06] <Akuw> yes
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355 [02:19:25] <bazhang> yeah #debian wont support that
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573 [04:26:27] <stephanie92> If i'm using a vps specifically for openvpn, does it need to be running rpc.bind?
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602 [04:42:27] <cybearg> Hello! I'm wanting to do some web development from my Windows 7 machine through a Debian VM server. I have a shared folder set up in Virtualbox and a symbolic link from /var/replaced-url
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608 [04:44:15] <cybearg> Specifically, all <Directory> entries in apache2.conf all have "Require all granted" set for FollowSymLinks, but apparently that's not enough. Ideas?
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615 [04:48:20] <klys> eyy I used to be able to do this in single-user mode or as root: getty 38400 /dev/tty9 &
616 [04:48:28] <klys> and then tty9 would give me a login
617 [04:48:42] <klys> how do I do this with today's debian?
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711 [05:59:33] <hiexpo> hi all
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722 [06:09:56] <hiexpo> Happy 4th all
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733 [06:16:31] <hassoon> why the heck does xset dpms force off dimms the screen's backlight to 0, instead of just turning off the screen, so when i push a key later, the screen turns on back with the normal previous backlight that was set, instead of turning on with 0 backlight value
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798 [07:06:55] <mrrhq> hassoon: Do you want to lock the screen?
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800 [07:07:06] <hassoon> mrrhq: no, just turn it off
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819 [07:16:47] <jmd> I recall there is a way to have a remote machine's keyboard/mouse used as the input to an XServer. But I cannot remember the details. Can someone remind me how to do this?
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824 [07:20:33] <hassoon> jmd: synergy
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828 [07:22:09] <jmd> hassoon: Doesn't ring a bell.
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830 [07:22:39] <jmd> There was some client package or something which acted as a keyboard device to the local server.
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835 [07:24:13] <hassoon> jmd: do you want some kind of program to control another remote machine ?
836 [07:24:48] <rozie> jmd: VNC?
837 [07:25:11] <jmd> rozie: No VNC is for remote screen.
838 [07:25:30] <rozie> works both ways
839 [07:25:35] <hassoon> jmd: or do you want some program to send keyboard/mouse inouts to a remote machine ?
840 [07:25:48] <hassoon> jmd: or do you want to ssh a remote machine?
841 [07:25:51] <mrrhq> hassoon: I found a way you can do it with xrandr, but you'll also need to know how to restore it. You can use xrandr --output <output> --off, and then a command to do something like: chvt <X session vt>; sleep 1; xrandr --display $DISPLAY --auto
842 [07:25:52] <hassoon> i don't get it, explain
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844 [07:26:22] <jmd> I want the X server on machine A to use the keyboard and mouse from machine B. A and B have a TCP/IP connection
845 [07:26:36] <hassoon> mrrhq: nah, i don't want to use xrandr, i just want to get it back working
846 [07:27:18] <hassoon> jmd: definitely synergy
847 [07:27:21] <mrrhq> hassoon: Honestly, I'd just use a screen locker like slock for suckless-tools. It locks the screen until you type in your password.
848 [07:27:51] <mrrhq> *from
849 [07:28:14] <hassoon> mrrhq: nah, i happend to need to turn off the screen sometimes, and just a keypress turns it back on
850 [07:28:16] <jmd> hassoon: That wasn't what I used a few years ago (unless they changed their name) and the description of synergy sounds like overkill.
851 [07:28:19] <hassoon> * happen *
852 [07:28:31] <jmd> There was a small X module or soemthign which did the trick.
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854 [07:29:17] <rozie> jmd: replaced-url
855 [07:29:50] <rozie> different solutions
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859 [07:31:04] <hassoon> synergy i'm sure of it
860 [07:31:08] <hassoon> anyway
861 [07:31:17] <hassoon> otherwise consult the apt-cache
862 [07:31:23] <hassoon> apt-cache search network keyboard mouse
863 [07:31:28] <hassoon> or whatever
864 [07:32:14] <jmd> I'll checkout synergy.
865 [07:32:34] <jmd> And yes I have used google, but thank you for suggesting that.
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868 [07:33:11] <hassoon> jmd: why are you telling me about goole and who re you thanking
869 [07:35:19] <jmd> I'm thanking all those who were trying to help me.
870 [07:36:04] <jmd> ... and to the other people I was pointing out that I had tried the bleeding obvious before I asked here.
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874 [07:36:49] <hassoon> jmd: yeah synergy imo
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878 [07:37:21] <rozie> jmd: let us know if you find original solution
879 [07:37:42] <jmd> I'm reading the docs for synergy now. I was hoping for something much more lightweight.
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883 [07:38:38] <hassoon> jmd: synergy is lightweight afaik
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888 [07:40:28] <jmd> The docs do not make clear (at least I haven't found that part yet) whether I should install synergy on the server end or the remote end. Or both?
889 [07:41:22] <jmd> Ahh I think xdmx was what I used before.
890 [07:41:38] <hassoon> jmd: you need a client and a server versions
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896 [07:45:19] <mrrhq> I feel like Synergy would be perfect for Wayland, since it has no network transparency features.
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926 [08:05:43] <alakx> Hi. I have a existing volume group called "wbdk". I just recently increased size of my hard drive. So the question is how can i resize my existing volume group?
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930 [08:06:38] <sianios> Good morning everyone, I just have a question, what happened to k3b? I can't find the package in testing (stretch).
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937 [08:08:28] <mrrhq> alakx: Volume Group... so LVM? First you need to expand the LVM partition with GParted, then you can use lvextend. I haven't use LVM in a while, so I can't recall all the details.
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972 [08:31:32] <sumi> hello
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1001 [08:54:42] <jmd> How do I stop the X server ?
1002 [08:55:08] <jmd> (and avoid it automatically restarting)
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1005 [08:56:06] <up2late> from terminal emulator?
1006 [08:56:26] <jmd> from anywhere
1007 [08:56:37] <up2late> uninstall it?
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1012 [08:57:52] <jmd> up2late: I'm not sure that would do the trick. Removing a file from the disk will not stop its image running.
1013 [08:58:31] <jmd> anyway I had hoped there was something less dramatic. I do want to run it. But I want to control it.
1014 [08:58:41] <up2late> are you trying to stop the x server from a gui?
1015 [08:58:52] <Amun_Ra> jmd: stop display manager you use (xdm,gdm,…)
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1023 [09:04:51] <jmd> Amun_Ra: Ah right. The display manager was fighting me.
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1119 [09:54:33] <jmd> What package(s) should I install to get an X server (and basic x clients) ?
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1181 [10:26:29] <xorox90> Where can I get source for specific debian package? I'm looking for source for qemu-ifdown binary in debian qemu-common package
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1215 [10:42:44] <valera> hi, is there any way to disable dhcp and enforce static only ip configuration in debian preseed file ?
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1225 [10:45:18] <nkuttler> valera: replaced-url
1226 [10:45:47] <jmd> Has anyone had any luck running a X server in Jessie mips64 ?
1227 [10:45:49] <valera> nkuttler: tried that already, first of all its incomplete, second it does not work
1228 [10:46:12] <valera> nkuttler: I mean d-i ignores options and tries dhcp anyway
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1299 [11:23:57] <Rico> hello
1300 [11:24:15] <Rico> I'm looking for a way to be ablo to do sflow on debian jessie
1301 [11:24:19] <Rico> able
1302 [11:24:39] <Rico> there's no nfdump-sflow packet for jessie
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1312 [11:32:30] <jmd> which /dev is my keyboard ?
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1321 [11:36:28] <Iridos> jmd, what are you trying to do
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1323 [11:37:53] <Iridos> it's in /dev/input and I don't think that's what you want
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1325 [11:40:44] <jmd> I want to redirect keyboard events from one machine to another.
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1338 [11:50:38] <woshty> What does the (0/0/0 errors) badbblocks output mean?
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1365 [12:03:03] <choice> What does it mean when "apt-get update" shows an alert that states "The currently running kernel version is 4.4.8-x86_64-jb1 which is not the expected kernel version 3.16.0-4-amd64."
1366 [12:03:20] <choice> Was the kernel replaced by the update or not?
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1369 [12:04:19] <Iridos> sounds like you replaced the kernel with a kernel that doesn't come from a package
1370 [12:04:41] * themill wonders why apt-get update is making that output
1371 [12:04:43] <choice> Well, I did not do anything. It's a VPS I rent.
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1373 [12:05:13] <Iridos> well, then probably the kernel is outside of your control and the version determined by the vps host
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1375 [12:06:12] <Iridos> jmd, that still seems vague... e.g. ssh fits that description
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1377 [12:06:22] <choice> themill: sorry, "apt-get upgrade"
1378 [12:06:39] <Iridos> but there's actually...
1379 [12:06:43] <choice> Iridos: You mean debian thinks it replaced that kernel but it didn't?
1380 [12:07:05] <themill> choice: it means that you have a kernel package installed but you are not running that kernel
1381 [12:07:21] <Iridos> no, apt-get probably just looks up the information that you get with uname -a ... and sees that that's not the kernel that is supposed to be installed
1382 [12:07:58] <themill> (it sounds like needrestart)
1383 [12:08:02] <Iridos> you have the package for 3.16.0-4-amd64 installed and that should boot, but the vps host gives you a 4.4.8-x86_64-jb1 kernel
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1385 [12:08:39] <choice> themill: Aha. So how is that kernel kept secure if it never gets updated?
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1388 [12:08:52] <themill> you'd have to ask your hoster that
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1391 [12:09:05] <Iridos> choice, who says it's never updated
1392 [12:09:12] <Iridos> you may want to re-read what I wrote
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1395 [12:09:49] <Iridos> but yeah... updating it probably means to reboot all VPS systems running on the host
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1397 [12:10:06] <beerbroyy> smells like openvz
1398 [12:10:07] <choice> Iridos: I mean, if apt-get upgrade thinks it installed a new kernel but its not true.. then who updates it?
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1400 [12:10:32] <Iridos> it's part of the host system on which the vpses run
1401 [12:10:40] <themill> (probably)
1402 [12:10:44] <Iridos> jmd, you may be looking for "synergy"
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1406 [12:11:09] <Iridos> yeah, "probably" ... but the way you describe it, it sounds like it
1407 [12:11:14] <Iridos> and it's not an uncommon setup
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1410 [12:11:23] <choice> Iridos: Interesting. Yeah, I think one can change the kernel in the web interface.
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1412 [12:11:28] <jmd> Iridos: No. I've been down the synergy path. It's far too heavy for my needs
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1415 [12:12:32] <jmd> Basically I think I need cat /dev/input/xxx | nc remote-host port
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1418 [12:12:51] <Iridos> that doesn't work
1419 [12:13:02] <jmd> It sure does work.
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1422 [12:13:15] <jmd> Once you get the correct device file.
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1427 [12:14:50] <Iridos> you only get the raw events
1428 [12:15:10] <jmd> What other kind of events are there?
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1430 [12:16:06] <jmd> The difficulty comes in predicting which /dev/input file to use.
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1435 [12:18:34] <choice> My provider let's you choose the kernel "PV" and the kernel "Xen". Any ideas what this means?
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1439 [12:20:20] <edoardo> choice: PV is paravirtualization, Xen (i think) is a full virtualization
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1443 [12:21:11] <choice> edoardo: What is "full virtualization"?
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1445 [12:22:32] <edoardo> Full virtualization means that every component of the virtual machine is virtualized, and the os is not aware of the node
1446 [12:22:49] <edoardo> With full virtualization you can run (almost) any os, but it'll go a little slower
1447 [12:23:06] <choice> Aha
1448 [12:23:45] <edoardo> Paravirtualization instead replaces the kernel with a special one that redirects calls to the kernel of the node. It's faster, but less os support it and it may be a little less secure.
1449 [12:23:48] <choice> The help page of the provider says that "Xen" is the faster one but will not work with all OSes.
1450 [12:24:01] <teraflops> choice: you want full virtualization if you can choose imo
1451 [12:24:21] <edoardo> Xen can be PV or HVM
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1453 [12:24:43] <edoardo> I assumed Xen meant HVM (full virt) and PV meant Xen PV
1454 [12:24:55] <edoardo> Can you link the provider?
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1459 [12:26:10] <choice> edoardo: Domainfactory. The help text is here, it's german though: replaced-url
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1464 [12:27:21] <edoardo> Oh okay, they're both PV
1465 [12:27:26] <jmd> sudo bash
1466 [12:27:35] <jmd> apt-get install gnome-terminal
1467 [12:27:40] <jmd> y
1468 [12:27:52] <choice> edoardo: From what I understand, "Xen" is faster but based on an older kernel. And will not work with the up to date distributions.
1469 [12:28:04] <edoardo> Xen is a heavily modified version of the original kernel
1470 [12:28:06] <Iridos> jmd, that's not difficult? it's /dev/input/by-path/*kbd ?
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1472 [12:28:17] <edoardo> With optimizations to make it work better on Xen
1473 [12:28:49] <edoardo> But it's older because the devs can't keep it up to date with the unmodified kernel
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1476 [12:29:23] <edoardo> So you can use the normal kernel, but it'll run slower because it will use the generic "paravirt" interface (included by default on Linux) instead of an optimized one
1477 [12:29:41] <choice> The page says the Xen Kernel does not work with Debian 6 or newer. That's crazy.
1478 [12:30:08] <edoardo> I have an openvz server stuck on squeeze :D
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1480 [12:30:22] <choice> edoardo: What's squeeze?
1481 [12:30:36] <edoardo> Codename for Debian 6
1482 [12:30:42] <choice> Ok
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1488 [12:31:18] <edoardo> I'd go with PV and install it myself via the netinstall image and VNC, if the host supports it
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1491 [12:31:49] <choice> I just use the PV that they provide and it works fine.
1492 [12:32:08] <edoardo> Perfect then
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1494 [12:32:16] <edoardo> I dislike paravirt but sometimes you gotta use it
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1497 [12:32:54] <choice> It worked super stable for many months now.
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1499 [12:33:24] <edoardo> My main server is openvz for budget reasons
1500 [12:33:36] <edoardo> But it has been running fine for years
1501 [12:33:37] <choice> How much does it cost?
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1503 [12:34:05] <edoardo> ~36€/year for 60gb SSD, 1.8gb RAM, quad core
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1505 [12:34:29] <edoardo> The datacenter is near my home so i get amazing latency
1506 [12:34:39] <choice> Which provider is that?
1507 [12:35:02] <edoardo> Check your private messaes
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1554 [13:14:16] <Lirion> without further knowledge how and where you invoke it: i often help myself with attaching `pwd`/ or a similar inline command in front of the actual file/diretory
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1566 [13:18:47] <benjr> is it possible to have a directory whose contents is a mix of of files from different sources?
1567 [13:19:06] <benjr> i mean could 2 drives me mounted to the same directory, assuming no file name ocnflicts
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1574 [13:22:19] <Iridos> no
1575 [13:22:50] <Iridos> maybe with some overlay filesystems, but that's not nfs
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1577 [13:23:13] <benjr> darn, i cant get symlinks to work over nfs, so that was my backup plan
1578 [13:23:44] <Iridos> maybe tell us what you actually wante to do, instead of asking questions on the things you think might be the solution, but aren't?
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1585 [13:28:56] <Rephlexie> guessing wanting 2 drives with media to mount to 1 dir?
1586 [13:29:35] <pecisk> hi people, Debian Jessie, trying to install Steam using this replaced-url
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1589 [13:31:43] <benjr> Iridos: wasnt sure how to best represent this replaced-url
1590 [13:32:11] <Iridos> mh, so what does that mean
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1593 [13:33:15] <benjr> right now it al works ok except i cant get that unsorted directory on the fileserver to show under /fileserver on my local pc
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1597 [13:35:57] <benjr> /storage on the fileserver is mounted with nfs to /fileserver on my local pc, hope that all makes sence
1598 [13:35:58] <Iridos> pecisk, pastebin the output of tail -n99 /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* and apt-cache policy
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1601 [13:37:28] <Iridos> benjr, well, so the fileserver also needs to export /user/unsorted and you need to mount it on the client, but after /fileserver is mounted
1602 [13:38:01] <Iridos> pecisk, the output of aptitude why-not libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 could possibly be helpful (but just as likely not)
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1604 [13:40:03] <benjr> Iridos: wont that mean that /storage and /home/user/unsorted and both being mounted to the 1 directory: /fileserver?
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1607 [13:40:58] <Iridos> you can mount things onto empty directories inside the nfs share
1608 [13:41:25] <Iridos> but that means mounting has to happen in the correct order... and so does unmounting
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1610 [13:41:55] <Iridos> so it's maybe not the best idea in the world to do it, because there are more things that can go wrong
1611 [13:42:22] <benjr> hmm sounds dangerous, ive omitted a few details for simplicity but were also dealing with zfs, so that sounds too risky
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1618 [13:45:18] <benjr> Iridos: thanks for your input, ill adjust my desired outcome instead
1619 [13:45:23] <Iridos> heh
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1621 [13:45:38] <Iridos> I just looked at our pool machines with 8 nfs mounts for different purposes...
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1623 [13:45:57] <Iridos> that doesn't do that kind of thing
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1626 [13:46:47] <Iridos> in principle mounting one nfs inside another one isn't so different from what you're doing anyway, when you mount an nfs on a directory that is on a disk...
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1631 [13:48:27] <benjr> i dont really know what im doing on linux in general, taking a step back, is nfs the best solution if i want the files on my remote pc(same network) to be available on my local pc completely transparently?
1632 [13:48:41] <benjr> i mean ym solution works, but is it the best tool for the job?
1633 [13:48:59] <Iridos> "depends"?
1634 [13:49:02] <Akuukis> @pecisk,
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1636 [13:49:16] <pecisk> Akuukis, yes?
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1638 [13:49:41] <benjr> Iridos: i make the false assumption then that the only thing the answer would depend on is if the pc's were on the same local network
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1640 [13:50:32] <Akuukis> @pecisk, replaced-url
1641 [13:50:33] <Iridos> there aren't so many alternatives to it anyway... if it's just one user wanting to access his own files, sshfs is the choice, because there is 0 effort to set it up
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1643 [13:51:01] <pecisk> Iridos: for that Steam issue replaced-url
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1645 [13:51:18] <Iridos> if it's a multi-user system, nfs is probably the choice... samba if there are also windows clients
1646 [13:51:36] <Akuukis> @pecisk, and lastly replaced-url
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1648 [13:52:22] <pecisk> Iridos: apt-cache policy replaced-url
1649 [13:52:26] <benjr> Iridos: no windows users, 1 fileserver, 3 clients, could be all accessing it simultaneously but all have the same full rights no seperate users
1650 [13:52:48] <pecisk> it seems you can't install Steam on x86_64 while using mesa
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1655 [13:54:56] <Iridos> pecisk, hm, you have stable in that twice... once as "jessie" and once (err, twice) as "stable" in stable.list and stable.list.save. You also have testing repos in there, which is not good... you may well have mixed packages from testing into stable with that setup which makes a mess.. and the steam repo is the one they set up for ubuntu precise
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1661 [13:56:56] <Iridos> pecisk, I see no mention of precise on the debian wiki page...
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1663 [13:57:25] <Iridos> pecisk, it is?
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1665 [13:57:28] <Iridos> hooow
1666 [13:57:36] <Akuukis> Iridos, pecisk asked on behalf of me
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1668 [13:57:46] <Iridos> that's confusing!
1669 [13:58:46] <Akuukis> Iridos, should I remove "jessie" or "stable" from list?
1670 [13:59:34] <Akuukis> Iridos, sorry, I was shy and pecisk helped to look into it.
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1675 [14:01:25] <Iridos> Akuukis, what does this return(paste it here, it's one line)? dpkg -l libc6|grep libc6:amd64
1676 [14:02:01] <Akuukis> Iridos, ii libc6:amd64 2.19-18+deb8u4 amd64 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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1684 [14:04:50] <pflanze> Hello, I've installed openjdk 8 from backports on stable, now in Eclipse it doesn't find any java libraries.
1685 [14:04:57] <pflanze> Any ideas?
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1705 [14:19:42] <RoyK> hm... systemctl status says "State: degraded" and "Failed: 2 units", but how can I see *which* units that have failed?
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1731 [14:28:43] <Iridos> Akuukis, well, that at least is still from stable
1732 [14:28:43] <PhonicUK> I'm suddenly getting 404s doing an apt-get update on jessie
1733 [14:28:55] <PhonicUK> Err replaced-url
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1737 [14:29:59] <Iridos> supposing the UK in your username means what I think it means...
1738 [14:30:05] <PhonicUK> indeed
1739 [14:30:27] <PhonicUK> quick google suggests a duff mirror somewhere...
1740 [14:30:30] <Iridos> use ftp.uk.debian.org instead of the httpredir stuff
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1742 [14:31:08] <Iridos> httpredir dynamically gives you the best mirror available... and does weird stuff if it can't find any mirror that it finds best
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1744 [14:31:22] <PhonicUK> huh, for some reason /etc/ is on a readonly filesystem...
1745 [14:31:24] <PhonicUK> wtf
1746 [14:31:33] <PhonicUK> debian can act weird in hyperv sometimes
1747 [14:32:16] <PhonicUK> randomly decides to remount / ro :\
1748 [14:32:18] <Iridos> and httpredir works pretty well except in the cases where it doesn't :-}
1749 [14:32:30] <Iridos> probably not so randomly...
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1751 [14:32:47] <PhonicUK> well indeed, but nothing else on the same host does it
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1753 [14:33:05] <PhonicUK> its just a testing VM so I don't care enough to look into it xD
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1759 [14:33:41] <PhonicUK> the VM is dead, filesystem inconsistency
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1768 [14:37:40] <Akuukis> Iridus, ii libtinfo5:amd64 6.0+20160319-1 amd64
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1771 [14:38:13] <Akuukis> Iridus, I see that this dependency is from sid, not jessie. Is that why it causes problems?
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1786 [14:45:11] <zafu> hi, on a recent install I find that my 16G is used at 90% after a few days, but can't find the culprit process, any idea?
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1788 [14:45:24] <zafu> 16G RAM I meant
1789 [14:45:33] <ploynog> I'm being hit hard on one machine by this issue: replaced-url
1790 [14:45:34] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1792 [14:45:50] <soupnanodesukar> zafu: run top
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1794 [14:45:52] <RoyK> zafu: pastebin output of 'free'
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1796 [14:46:39] <zafu> RoyK: replaced-url
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1799 [14:48:18] <RoyK> zafu: erm .. wierd - what about 'ps axfv | sort -k 7 -n' ?
1800 [14:48:40] <Iridos> Akuukis, you can use the tab key to complete my nick, then it is correct without typos and highlights me :) ... and ... yes. you are probably mixing testing into your stable
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1802 [14:49:52] <Akuukis> Iridos: sorry, thanks for tip. Do I have to reinstall to solve this?
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1816 [14:53:53] <RoyK> zafu: no idea, sorry
1817 [14:53:58] <Iridos> Akuukis, you cannot easily downgrade packages... you could install apt-show-versions and run that to see how many packages you have from testing/unstable
1818 [14:54:14] <Iridos> Akuukis, and also how many packages you may have from the steam repo
1819 [14:54:34] <RoyK> !dontbrakedebian
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1822 [14:55:04] <Iridos> Akuukis, if it's not many packages, you can try to downgrade them one by one with apt-get install package=version (where version is the version of the package in stable)
1823 [14:55:37] <Iridos> or you can upgrade to testing (but make sure to remove any package from that steam repository that is meant for ubuntu-precise)
1824 [14:56:21] <Iridos> if you can re-install without too much pain, that is probably the best way to get back to something sane... everything else probably means a lot of fiddeling
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1826 [14:57:26] <Engys> May I ask a question? Why is Debians Stretch nVidia Driver libGL.so.1 not linked to libGL.so?
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1829 [14:57:48] <Iridos> if you're reinstalling you can get the system to use the same packages as you have currently installed (as long as the packages are from repositories that are present in the reinstall) if you ask the bot with /msg dpkg debian clone
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1837 [15:00:39] <Engys> I began to create my own 32Bit library pool in Debian Stretch 64 because I wait since Wheezy that something is happening to Debians 32Bit library mess
1838 [15:00:44] <Iridos> Engys, it probably should be... libGL.so* is a bit complicated because of all the different packages that have it... you should go to irc.oftc.net and ask that in #debian-next, which is the channel for testing/unstable... there's probably more people over there running testing
1839 [15:01:25] <Engys> ahh ok thanks Iridos
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1849 [15:05:24] <Engys> looks like you need to get an invitation to this channel
1850 [15:06:16] <johndrake> apt-get seems to decided where to download, build and install packages. Do you need to use a particular directory location when using wget then make to install something? Thanks.
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1856 [15:07:23] <themill> dpkg: tell Engys about #debian-next
1857 [15:07:58] <Iridos> themill, you'd think "you should go to irc.oftc.net " is clear enough?
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1859 [15:08:10] <Iridos> /o\
1860 [15:08:17] <themill> !pony Iridos
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1864 [15:08:29] <Iridos> areplaced-url
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1883 [15:13:39] <Engys> feels a little bit disconnected from freenode but I found it
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1887 [15:16:20] <themill> it's a different irc network, so yes, it's not connected to freenode
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1889 [15:17:21] <Akuukis> Iridos: I can reinstall easily, will do that eventually. Thank you very much.
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1891 [15:18:46] <Iridos> Akuukis, if you do that... if you install stable, stick with packages from stable (main contrib non-free) and backports (look at backports.debian.org)
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1898 [15:24:23] <zafu> RoyK: thanks anyway
1899 [15:25:03] <Akuukis> Iridos: I looked into apt-show-versions and it shows only several packages from testing (replaced-url
1900 [15:25:58] <Engys> Its a silent place over there on OFTC. Made me answering my own question.
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1907 [15:29:25] <Iridos> judd, versions python3.5
1908 [15:29:26] <judd> Package: python3.5 on amd64 -- sid: 3.5.2-1; stretch: 3.5.2-1
1909 [15:29:55] <themill> Engys: rubber duck debugging ftw
1910 [15:30:11] <Iridos> Akuukis, the python3.5 stuff isn't even in stable, though... but yeah, you can try
1911 [15:31:01] <Iridos> Engys, well, I'm not running testing anymore over there than here, so I saw no point in saying something :P
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1917 [15:34:45] <Engys> themill, Iridos, no problem I already fine to export my own 32 bit lib pathes
1918 [15:35:00] <Akuukis> Iridos: ok, will try. Thank you!
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2072 [16:49:25] <cmhobbs> i've installed gnu screen, byobu, and tmux from apt. i can't seem to get any of them to do 256 colors, even though my terminal seems to support 256 colors. i've set "screen-256color" in my tmux and byobu configurations and they just default to screen. anyone have ideas on how i might ferret this one out?
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2099 [17:02:26] <mayhew> cmhobbs: you may have to restart tmux for your config to take effect, I set it to screen-256color and it's working fine for me.
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2103 [17:03:18] <cmhobbs> mayhew: i figured it out. i was wanting 256 colors on the console rather than in a terminal (where it works just fine). i'm currently tinkering with fbterm
2104 [17:03:22] <cmhobbs> thanks for the assist, though!
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2211 [17:16:44] <romgo> Hello
2212 [17:16:54] <romgo> I have some issue with unattended upgrades
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2215 [17:17:19] <romgo> When I do issue reboot some time the server get stuck with the following message
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2217 [17:17:39] <romgo> "A start job is running for Unattended Upgrades (5min 34s no limit)
2218 [17:17:46] <romgo> does anyone see that ?
2219 [17:17:53] <romgo> any idea on how to troubleshoot ?
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2250 [17:32:09] <Iridos> the obvious... look in /var/log/unattended-upgrades ?
2251 [17:32:29] <Iridos> supposing you got the other error per mail
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2256 [17:36:33] <Iridos> hm, and I don't see an error in any of the files in the unattended-upgrades package
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2302 [18:01:59] <Akuw> i got security warning CVE-2014-9904 CVE-2016-5728 CVE-2016-5828 CVE-2016-5829
2303 [18:02:29] <Akuw> i upgradet but uname -a show 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u2
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2306 [18:03:05] <Akuw> and warning talk about upgrade to 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3
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2338 [18:19:10] <jhutchins> !es
2339 [18:19:10] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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2390 [18:46:29] <Iridos> pcmanfm mounts things at /media/<user>/<label> if I do udisks --mount /dev/disk/by-label/<label> it mounts it at /media/<label>
2391 [18:46:52] <Iridos> how can I get the same behavior with both?
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2393 [18:49:31] <Noah0504> Where do you want the mounts to be?
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2397 [18:50:38] <Iridos> either is fine, I just want to reuse history to get to paths inside the drive, so it shouldn't be different because I mounted it differently
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2400 [18:51:57] <Noah0504> replaced-url
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2404 [18:52:16] <Noah0504> Looks like it is easier to change where it mounts with udisks.
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2406 [18:52:41] <Iridos> I didn't think I could change the behavior of a filemanager :)
2407 [18:52:56] <Noah0504> replaced-url
2408 [18:53:00] <Noah0504> Also check that out.
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2413 [18:55:27] <Iridos> ha, indeed, udisksctl mount --block-device /dev/disk/by-label/<label>
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2416 [18:55:46] <Iridos> what did you google for? I didn't think that was so easily searchable
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2419 [18:56:13] <Iridos> never heard of udisctl before
2420 [18:56:38] <Iridos> ... the udisksd(8) daemon process *sigh*
2421 [18:56:59] <Iridos> well, thanks... only now have to remember to pull up that command
2422 [18:57:47] <Noah0504> I just Googled "changing mount point with udisks". :P
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2425 [18:58:08] <Iridos> goes to show one shouldn't give up before trying :P
2426 [18:58:09] <Noah0504> I think the link for the Arch Wiki came from one of the results.
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2430 [18:59:06] <Noah0504> With Linux, I've learned there is always usually a way to do what you want -- even if it isn't exactly simple.
2431 [18:59:22] <Noah0504> And that someone else has probably gone out of their way to do it and then share the process.
2432 [18:59:34] <Noah0504> One of the best things about the Linux community.
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2434 [18:59:56] <Iridos> with exceptions :)
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2442 [19:00:59] <Iridos> exceptions mostly where software development somehow went wrong... but sure, you have the source, you could in principle fix it
2443 [19:01:28] <Noah0504> Exactly.
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2445 [19:01:41] <Noah0504> Not to say I would usually go through that trouble, but still!
2446 [19:01:42] <Iridos> just need to take a month or two off
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2457 [19:05:13] <A|an> I'm trying to get a java-based program to run...Raptor (a chess interface for FICS)...doing a ./Raptor.java doesn't start the program...how do you get a *.java program to run?
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2460 [19:06:13] <Iridos> look inside the .java file if it's a bash script
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2463 [19:06:47] <Iridos> you run java with something like java -jar somethingsomething.jar
2464 [19:07:06] <Iridos> but usually there's a script that does it with the correct classpath etc. for you
2465 [19:07:20] <A|an> let me look
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2467 [19:08:12] <A|an> Raptor.java is a text file...
2468 [19:08:29] <A|an> and there isn't a JAR file present
2469 [19:08:43] <A|an> (which is how I usually get java programs to run)
2470 [19:08:46] <Iridos> if it's a text file... read it?
2471 [19:08:52] <A|an> i am
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2473 [19:09:56] <A|an> by text file, I mean a program...like a bash script, but it's not
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2475 [19:10:03] <themill> if it's java source, you'd need to compile it
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2478 [19:10:54] <Iridos> that's surely fun
2479 [19:11:00] <A|an> it's a program
2480 [19:11:12] <A|an> yeah...fun
2481 [19:11:14] <A|an> god
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2483 [19:11:21] <A|an> wish i could get this thing to work
2484 [19:11:22] <themill> A|an: what does "file Raptor.java" say?
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2489 [19:12:22] <jmd> What is the correct way to disable the display manager ?
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2491 [19:12:33] <themill> !nodm
2492 [19:12:34] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
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2496 [19:13:11] <themill> A|an: please keep it in the channel -- I'm pretty sure what you have there is one source file of many that you now need to compile
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2499 [19:13:23] <jmd> themill: Please do not use bots or autoreplies when people ask questions.
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2501 [19:13:33] <markybob> wtf
2502 [19:13:36] <themill> jmd: Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
2503 [19:13:38] <themill> jmd: better?
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2506 [19:13:51] <themill> Or would you rather I typed it personally for you?
2507 [19:14:34] <A|an> at replaced-url
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2509 [19:14:47] <Iridos> A|an, did you download replaced-url
2510 [19:14:50] <A|an> (i used to have this thing actually installed)
2511 [19:14:59] <A|an> no
2512 [19:15:07] <Iridos> maybe you should?
2513 [19:15:15] <A|an> it's Raptor-master.zip
2514 [19:15:25] <themill> that's the source code
2515 [19:15:35] <A|an> well, I tried to get the 64bit version and the link is dead
2516 [19:15:50] <Iridos> themill, I clearly felt the personal touch when you said it instead of the bot
2517 [19:15:59] <Iridos> :D
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2519 [19:16:37] <A|an> (i think the development crew had a rogue element sabotage the effort)
2520 [19:16:45] <Iridos> ?
2521 [19:17:17] <Iridos> the download link I quoted is from the page... "Raptor 1.0 Linux (64 bit)" and it has a jar file which is already compiled...
2522 [19:17:39] <Iridos> which is the thing to have if you just want to run it and not compile yourself
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2527 [19:20:21] <A|an> Thanks, Iridos...color me stupid
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2530 [19:20:54] <Iridos> !next
2531 [19:20:54] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
2532 [19:21:02] <simonlnu> jmd: don't tell us how to do our jobs. try doing support for a while and try to do everything from scratch. then i don't think you'll be telling us how to do stuff here.
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2562 [19:30:04] <sypher> jmd: I'd probably go a step further and say that if you're coming in here and asking unpaid volunteers for assistance, you don't get to be picky or dictate how that assistance is delivered.
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2577 [19:38:20] <simonlnu> ty sypher
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2608 [19:53:39] <WizardGed> Hey I am looking for the mumble-server.service file and cannot find it. Am I missing something?
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2617 [19:57:32] <sypher> WizardGed: I actually just went through the process of installing mumble-server. Running jessie?
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2620 [19:57:52] <WizardGed> sypher: yes
2621 [19:58:07] <sypher> WizardGed: Do a "dpkg-reconfigure mumble-server" and it will configure the service and let you set the superuser password.
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2623 [19:59:03] <WizardGed> wait all I need to modify the service file to add an after clause so it starts after mysql
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2625 [19:59:54] <WizardGed> sypher: are you saying to generate the service file i need to dpkg-reconfigure mumble-server because that seems silly
2626 [20:00:22] <sypher> WizardGed: I couldn't find the service file until after I did that. That's a sort of ambiguous response because I don't know for sure.
2627 [20:00:45] <WizardGed> sypher: where is your service file located?
2628 [20:00:51] <_xor_> i recently set up mumble-server, and dpkg-reconfigure is the intended procedure
2629 [20:01:08] <_xor_> this is the kind of stuff dpkg-reconfigure is *for*
2630 [20:01:31] <sypher> WizardGed: Ah, that's why. It's running an initscript, not a systemd unit.
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2636 [20:02:38] <WizardGed> sypher: wonderful. I suppose systemctl is just being kind and automatically pretending it's a service too
2637 [20:02:50] <sypher> Well, it is a service. Just not a systemd one.
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2639 [20:03:22] <WizardGed> so now I have an entirely diffrent problem
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2642 [20:04:13] <sypher> I will note that $mysql is listed as a Should-Start in the initscript for mumble-server.
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2644 [20:04:33] <Iridos> as I understand it, for the jessie release, packages had to work with systemd, but needn't have been a 100% converted into a true systemd service... if they worked ok via some initd compatibility layer, that was ok?
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2647 [20:05:05] <sypher> Correct. systemctl status mumble-server does indicate that systemd is handling it.
2648 [20:05:30] <Iridos> hmm. replaced-url
2649 [20:05:47] <Iridos> well, "The release goal is to add a systemd service file to all packages that currently ship a sysvinit script. It is NOT a goal for the service file to have 100% of the same functionality in the same way, meaning that some features might be achieved differently with systemd."
2650 [20:05:54] <WizardGed> sypher: okay I'll look into the init script to be sure mumble-server will not start before mysql
2651 [20:05:59] <somiaj> Iridos: correct, systemd fully supports LSB init scripts and so matainers can choose to just matain the LSB init script and not have to write a unit file.
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2657 [20:06:56] <Iridos> somiaj, so that goal is kind of automatically fulfilled when an init script had lsb tags, which all debian init scripts had
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2661 [20:07:40] <Iridos> roughly
2662 [20:07:58] <somiaj> Iridos: correct, but it may not take advantage of some of the nicer things about systemd, so many apps as per the goal provide both.
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2668 [20:08:51] <somiaj> the init.d scripts in debian actually detect if systemd is running and are just a wrapper to systemctl anyways, and then that lets systemd use either the unit file or lsb init script as it understands both.
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2679 [20:10:45] <somiaj> I'm surprised you had to run dpkg-reconfigure to generate the .service file, maybe there is some low level configuration option/question that wasn't asked during the install, as it is the same configuration questions that get parsed during the install, but you can set the level of those at which you see and so dpkg-reconfigure may contain options that were not asked during the intsall.
2680 [20:11:00] <sypher> somiaj: I think that may have been a misunderstanding on my part.
2681 [20:11:23] <sypher> somiaj: I was expecting a systemd unit, and so when I didn't find one, I consulted the great Googles, and found the dpkg-reconfigure instruction. It may have just been an initscript all along.
2682 [20:11:50] <somiaj> sypher: okay. 'systemctl status service' will list info about the init.d script if one is used.
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2685 [20:12:07] <sypher> somiaj: Normally, I know that, but this was a 2 AM + whisky thing.
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2687 [20:12:37] <WizardGed> somiaj: thank you for this information. Now I know why the status command prefixed it with LSB
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2690 [20:12:59] <hesco> what channel would be a good place to ask network routing and usage of the ip cli tool sorts of questions?
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2707 [20:21:48] <hesco> specifically I am concerned that deleting the default route might disrupt my connectivity to the server. Is that possible? I have an ssh connection across eth2, trying to expose eth0 to the world, and would rather not call for remote hands on a local holiday for the data center if I can avoid it.
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2710 [20:22:12] <hfinn> Hello all. What is the equivalent package for xf86-input-libinput?
2711 [20:22:13] <K|nG> Hi there could someone help me, how to remove the prefix he-ipv6 from ifconfig source: replaced-url
2712 [20:22:22] <hesco> guess I should mention that the default route is across that eth2 connection.
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2717 [20:22:54] <socomm> K|nG: what do you mean remove?
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2719 [20:23:20] <hfinn> Trying to solve a missing Touchpad setting. I can't enable Tap to click via System settings
2720 [20:23:24] <K|nG> socomm: I want to delete it
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2722 [20:23:46] <socomm> K|nG: You want the device to read what? Just ipv6?
2723 [20:23:54] <hfinn> Here's my system settings as they stand: replaced-url
2724 [20:24:35] <socomm> K|nG: In either case just head over to '/etc/udev' and rewrite your udev rules.
2725 [20:24:41] <hfinn> Someone on the GNOME channel suggested I use this guide: replaced-url
2726 [20:25:09] <socomm> replaced-url
2727 [20:25:12] <socomm> K|nG: ^
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2731 [20:25:52] <K|nG> socomm: look it shows me this kind of errors replaced-url
2732 [20:26:51] <socomm> K|nG: You did something wrong.
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2734 [20:27:30] <Iridos> hesco, ##networking? And ... maybe wait until tomorrow? Try to test what you're doing on a system close to you... even then this is clearly something where a wrong move can lose you connectivity... don't you have a remote console for it that works even if the net to the box itself is gone?
2735 [20:27:37] <K|nG> socomm: yeah sure I did something wrong :P
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2738 [20:28:10] <socomm> K|nG: what is sit0? I don't see it on your original paste.
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2740 [20:28:17] <Iridos> hesco, and whatever someone here tells you, it's still you who has to find someone to push a button if it goes wrong
2741 [20:28:25] <socomm> Iridos: Whats wrong?
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2744 [20:29:13] <K|nG> socomm: there is no sit0 anywhere bro that's what I am trying to fix or is there anyway to recover an original form it was
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2746 [20:29:41] <socomm> Jul 04 20:24:42 nit-pc ifup[4834]: add tunnel "sit0" failed: No buffer space available
2747 [20:30:01] <socomm> K|nG: You may need to update your networking scripts as well - if you renamed your device.
2748 [20:30:08] <socomm> K|nG: what does ifconfig -a show?
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2752 [20:31:46] <K|nG> socomm: solved :) thank you i needed just to do this modprobe -r sit
2753 [20:31:52] <K|nG> socomm: and everything is okay now
2754 [20:31:58] <socomm> K|nG: awesome, cheers!
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2757 [20:32:28] <K|nG> socomm: thank you
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2759 [20:32:58] <Iridos> socomm, he asked it 11 minutes ago... directly after you joined
2760 [20:33:07] <socomm> Okay.
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2767 [20:34:08] <K|nG> socomm: so could you help me I am using ipv4-to-ipv6 from tunnelbroker can you teach me how to add an Ipv6 IP
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2772 [20:34:53] <K|nG> socomm: replaced-url
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2792 [20:45:01] <socomm> K|nG: sorry, I've no experience with IPv6.
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2796 [20:46:38] <K|nG> socomm: ;) okay pal thank you :P
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2845 [21:06:27] <hesco> Iridos: thanks. of course tomorrow I'm back at the office, so today is when I can work on the home-based business.
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2903 [21:41:28] <Iridos> hesco, it's a world of hertz
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2931 [21:54:28] <AirPlanes> Hi
2932 [21:55:00] <jmd> AirPlanes: Ho
2933 [21:55:37] <AirPlanes> What
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2936 [21:55:51] <chaddy> what indeed?
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2951 [22:00:17] <lelo> hey guys... is btrfs on debian safe?
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2956 [22:01:43] <teraflops> I do use it, I'll email you when it fails miserably
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2958 [22:02:06] <lelo> sigh
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2971 [22:07:22] <teraflops> lelo: it was a bad joke, sorry. I do btrfs in a couple of debian jessie servers (in production), for almost a year with subvols and taking snapshots daily. all working as intended.
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2976 [22:07:55] <lelo> teraflops: my fear is btrfs-tools < 4.4
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2978 [22:08:16] <lelo> even with backports, I can only get older btrfs-tools
2979 [22:08:25] <teraflops> lelo: you better fear the 3.16 kernel :P
2980 [22:08:44] <lelo> teraflops: I do, I really do :/
2981 [22:08:52] <teraflops> lelo: just pick it from backports
2982 [22:09:08] <teraflops> the kernel too, works fine
2983 [22:09:12] <lelo> teraflops: yeah, I just updated the kernel as we speak .. system is rebooting
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3043 [22:34:36] <lelo> teraflops: done it... problem is... docker wont start anymore
3044 [22:34:42] <lelo> and I have important containers there :/
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3046 [22:35:19] <teraflops> lelo: docker wont start because of the kernel?
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3048 [22:35:48] <lelo> teraflops: seems o
3049 [22:35:49] <teraflops> lelo: my docker-fu is = nothning though
3050 [22:35:49] <lelo> so
3051 [22:35:53] <teraflops> hmm
3052 [22:36:04] <grimsley> Bit of a silly question but any chance we'll get a Debian "Zurg" or "LGM" given that we have "Buster" and "Bullseye" coming up
3053 [22:36:06] <lelo> just upgraded kernel to 4.6 and docker wont start for some reason
3054 [22:36:30] <teraflops> lelo: you still have the old kernel right? so youre safe if you reboot I guess
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3056 [22:37:14] <teraflops> lelo: time to do some research and looking for known bugs I suppose
3057 [22:37:19] <lelo> teraflops: yes, but it's a dedi box.. can't access it without uninstalling this one
3058 [22:37:22] <lelo> yeah
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3062 [22:38:21] <teraflops> lelo: you dont have test machines for such things? youre brave sir
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3065 [22:39:54] <teraflops> lelo: I have a couple of stock jessie machines with btrfs + subvols too, virtualized with kvm, they work fine but they are not in production
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3069 [22:41:10] <grimsley> seems to be an issue with docker and kernel 4.6.2/3 based on github comments
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3072 [22:41:48] <lelo> teraflops: Jul 04 16:29:02 srv1-dc docker[5308]: time="2016-07-04T16:29:02.472907751-04:00" level=error msg="[graphdriver] prior storage driver \"aufs\" failed: driver not supported"
3073 [22:41:52] <lelo> aufs is the problem
3074 [22:42:12] <lelo> did an apt-get install aufs-tools, docker still wont stat
3075 [22:42:13] <lelo> start*
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3082 [22:44:24] <pencilandpaper> When running docker in terminal what does it say lelo ?
3083 [22:44:54] <lelo> pencilandpaper: what do you mean?
3084 [22:44:56] <lelo> which command?
3085 [22:45:10] <lelo> I tried a docker ps -a and it gave me: An error occurred trying to connect: Get replaced-url
3086 [22:45:49] <pencilandpaper> I see..
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3088 [22:45:58] <lelo> systemctl tells me : Jul 04 16:34:30 srv1-dc docker[6508]: time="2016-07-04T16:34:30.638608834-04:00" level=error msg="[graphdriver] prior storage driver \"aufs\" failed: driver not supported"
3089 [22:45:59] <grimsley> might also want to pop over to the docker channel as well just in case they have more insight
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3091 [22:46:10] <lelo> grimsley: I did, no answer :(
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3093 [22:46:40] <pencilandpaper> Thats a bummer lelo . Is your kernel from the backports?
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3095 [22:46:54] <pencilandpaper> If so, just go back to the default kernel?
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3097 [22:47:19] <pencilandpaper> I don't use docker so..
3098 [22:47:30] <lelo> ok, I solved it
3099 [22:47:40] <lelo> mv /var/lib/docker/aufs /var/lib/docker/aufs_bk <- tells docker to use another driver
3100 [22:47:43] <leba2> Escuse me. Just installed Debian 8.5 minimal installation (used graphical installer, but selected no other packages). But vim seems to not work like I remember!
3101 [22:47:52] <leba2> *Excuse me
3102 [22:47:53] <pencilandpaper> Nice lelo .
3103 [22:48:11] <mrrhq> leba2: It uses vi by default, not Vim. You can install it if you want.
3104 [22:48:33] <pencilandpaper> I'm running Sid though. :)
3105 [22:48:35] <leba2> ...... OOOUUUCCCHHH
3106 [22:48:40] <teraflops> lelo: nice
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3108 [22:49:34] <lelo> :)
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3110 [22:49:43] <lelo> let's hope this IRC log saves someone else
3111 [22:49:46] <lelo> hehe
3112 [22:49:50] <teraflops> heh
3113 [22:50:12] <lelo> since I am having to rebuild my containers :`(
3114 [22:50:29] <leba2> If I'm allowed to ask, why does Debian prefer default vi instead of vim?
3115 [22:51:50] <mrrhq> I have no idea... Also comes with nano installed, too, I think.
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3117 [22:52:24] <lelo> leba2: alias vi='vim'
3118 [22:52:25] <lelo> problem solved
3119 [22:52:26] <lelo> :D
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3121 [22:52:57] <mrrhq> leba2 wants to install actual Vim I think.
3122 [22:53:13] <lelo> teraflops: I didnt use a testing machine, but I had backups \o/ all up and running thanks to docker being fast hehe
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3128 [22:54:37] <mrrhq> I have made my own Debian custom install CDs, and I do put things like vim, sudo, tmux, etc... on them by default.
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3131 [22:56:24] <lelo> mrrhq: try byobu :)
3132 [22:56:37] <grimsley> vi and nano are installed by default though some/many would say learn vi/vim as it's installed a lot more as default than nano or emacs is
3133 [22:57:06] <lelo> nano is everywhere too nowadays, too
3134 [22:57:18] <lelo> even arch linux has nano installed on the base metapackage
3135 [22:57:25] <mrrhq> lelo: I prefer tmux's power.
3136 [22:57:29] <lelo> installed <> enabled :D
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3138 [22:57:45] <lelo> mrrhq: byobu is a manager for tmux u.u
3139 [22:57:47] <grimsley> I've had to install it a few times in the past but it probably isn't going to hurt you to lean vi/vim basics
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3142 [22:58:22] <lelo> yeah, even though I am very proficient on vi/vm, I prefer nano/subl to vi/vim/emac
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3144 [22:58:24] <lelo> emacs*
3145 [22:58:37] <lelo> it's just how my head works, I guess :p
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3148 [22:59:18] <philly90> if you learn the basics of vi/vim, you can do a lot using just a few keystrokes. steep learning curve though
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3150 [22:59:23] <grimsley> I prefer nano just because the learn curve is 0 but I'm strange
3151 [22:59:38] * unborn nano is best
3152 [23:00:17] <lelo> philly90: I don't think it's steep.. just... unnecessary since I do everything outside an editor anyway
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3155 [23:00:46] <CrowX-> My disk is shown by lsblk, but not by fdisk -l
3156 [23:00:47] <CrowX-> why?
3157 [23:00:52] <mrrhq> If I was going to use something nano-like, it would have to be ed from UNIX/FreeBSD.
3158 [23:01:07] <gnikc2> I have recently found out that ubuntu 14.04 LTS is recommended to be upgraded to 16.04. Deprecation/switching of versions being what I'd waited for to finish ditching ubuntu entirely, I'd like to install debian on it. However, that machine no longer has a screen, and I'm not sure how I could get the installer at least to the point of having network addressing and ssh to complete the installation.
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3160 [23:01:13] <CrowX-> why could this be? anyone?
3161 [23:01:30] <lelo> CrowX-: disk or usb drive?
3162 [23:01:34] <gnikc2> Does anyone have some recommendation?
3163 [23:01:39] <philly90> I agree, if I was new to linux I wouldn't learn vi. Just what you're used to.
3164 [23:01:39] <CrowX-> gnikc2, hard disk
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3166 [23:02:33] <mrrhq> Sorry, I keep confusing ed for ee.
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3168 [23:02:39] <lelo> CrowX-: how does it appear on lsblk?
3169 [23:02:39] <gnikc2> While that would normally be an option, I only have a laptop and small single-board computers available aside from that machine.
3170 [23:02:48] <mrrhq> I don't think Debian has it.
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3172 [23:02:51] <CrowX-> lelo, as "sdb"
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3174 [23:03:04] <CrowX-> lelo, with no partitions
3175 [23:03:31] <lelo> CrowX-: try specifying it on fdisk /dev/sdb
3176 [23:03:35] <lelo> or even cfdisk /dev/sdb
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3178 [23:04:34] <CrowX-> lelo, pardon me. It was in fdisk -l after all. specifying it helped me see it :)
3179 [23:04:37] <CrowX-> sorry for wasting your time.
3180 [23:04:49] <lelo> CrowX-: not a problem
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3182 [23:05:20] <CrowX-> lelo, btw, how are drives set to be auto-mounted on debian? should I add a rule in /etc/fstab?
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3184 [23:05:33] <lelo> CrowX-: yes
3185 [23:05:34] <unborn> gnikc2: external monitor?
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3187 [23:06:01] <lelo> CrowX-: if you don't know how to do it manually, use this: replaced-url
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3190 [23:06:27] <CrowX-> i've used /etc/fstab before, thanks
3191 [23:06:34] <lelo> np
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3195 [23:06:51] <mrrhq> AFAIK, there is no other "better" way to mount drives in Debian than /etc/fstab
3196 [23:07:12] <mrrhq> Some people use udisk for USB devices so they can mount them as user.
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3199 [23:08:04] <lelo> mrrhq: you can let users mount disks by specifying a user flag on fstab
3200 [23:08:23] <gnikc2> unborn: The screen I'd been using broke, and I sadly have no replacement at hand.
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3207 [23:09:31] <lelo> gnikc2: I don't think there is any other way other than an external screen, unfortunately... you could tailor your debian install to use xhost and export the display to another machine, but for that to work would require a lot of trial and error
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3212 [23:09:37] <leba2> Another noob question: why are bash colors disabled by default ina a debian minimal install?
3213 [23:09:41] <leba2> *in a
3214 [23:09:47] <lelo> leba2: because :-)
3215 [23:09:49] <mrrhq> You jus thav eot be careful when editing /etc/fstab. One messup will bring you to a rescue shell if GRUB/Linux can't autodetect your root partition.
3216 [23:10:13] <unborn> gnikc2: you can install it on your laptop and then place hdd into other laptop
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3218 [23:10:21] <lelo> mrrhq: if you mess up with the root partition, yes... if you messup the others, you can boot normally and correct your mistakes
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3220 [23:10:32] <leba2> I had to do this replaced-url
3221 [23:10:33] <unborn> it would work with eth connection..
3222 [23:10:33] <mrrhq> leba2: Might be compatabilty reasons. You can enable them in .bashrc
3223 [23:10:34] <lelo> unborn: nice idea :)
3224 [23:10:36] <gnikc2> unborn: I would if it were a laptop and not a desktop, the hard-drive size is not compatible.
3225 [23:10:36] <teraflops> lelo: yeah glad to hear that
3226 [23:10:43] <lelo> teraflops: :)
3227 [23:10:59] <leba2> mrrhq: do you mean this replaced-url
3228 [23:11:14] <gnikc2> I've found that maybe pre-seeding the installer might work? I'm trying to find some guide explaining how to go about doing that...
3229 [23:11:22] <unborn> gnikc2: then purchase external monitor for 10 or something.. or use usb hdd kit
3230 [23:11:38] <unborn> you could connect there anything.. ide, sata etc.. any size
3231 [23:11:48] <mrrhq> leba2: I mean look in /etc/skel/.bashrc
3232 [23:11:56] <mrrhq> It has the lines to enable colors for ls and bash.
3233 [23:12:24] <mrrhq> You can copy it to your home directory if you don't have it.
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3237 [23:13:13] <gnikc2> unborn: I've found another way that might work. replaced-url
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3241 [23:14:41] <unborn> gnikc2: yeah, I mean whatever works for you best would be best option for you ;)
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3244 [23:15:26] <leba2> mrrhq: it's a so long file. But I grew with linux distros always bash color enabled. If the link I posted is not the "most orthodox way", being your file instead, how do I proceed?
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3247 [23:15:39] <leba2> I'ts my very first time learning debian in my life...
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3252 [23:17:06] <mrrhq> leba2: Have you already made a home directory with adduser yet?
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3254 [23:17:30] <gnikc2> unborn: I only found out it was a thing during the last five minutes. I must say pre-seeding is hardly the term that first comes to my mind for 'semi-automated ssh installation'.
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3265 [23:19:56] <leba2> mrrhq: yes, Debian installer forced me to make one aside root itself. But I want the setting global, not just user-specific.
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3268 [23:20:16] <leba2> mrrhq: if I want global, should I uncomment the correct lines in the skel directory?
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3277 [23:24:27] <unborn> gnikc2: there is always option.. I have server running on laptop where display was removed as it was smashed..
3278 [23:24:57] <unborn> gnikc2: perhaps tv or projector as in my case was great to install naked system with ssh only and once you have ssh, you are free
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3280 [23:26:04] <mrrhq> leba2: Well, you can sudo edit /etc/bash.bashrc as root, and put in any lines you want to enable color.
3281 [23:26:30] <mrrhq> Though personally, I just configure everything in my home directory.
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3283 [23:26:55] <gnikc2> unborn: Yeah, laptops are fun like that.
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3289 [23:27:58] <leba2> mrrhq: wait, so I was actually right with this replaced-url
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3293 [23:28:17] <leba2> That's indeed the "orthodox" debian way if I want it for everyone?
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3304 [23:31:13] <Iridos> judd, versions libav-tools
3305 [23:31:14] <judd> Package: libav-tools on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-2+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 6:10.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 6:11.6-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 6:11.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 6:11.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports: 7:2.8.6-1~bpo8+1; sid: 7:2.8.6-1; jessie-backports: 7:3.0.2-2~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.0.2-4; stretch:
3306 [23:31:15] <judd> 7:3.0.2-4; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1
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3309 [23:31:49] <mrrhq> leba2: Yeah, that will work. There is a Debian Manual/Docs for things, but Debian Wiki still covers a lot of other things the manual doesn't even if it's slightly more out of date -- replaced-url
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3311 [23:32:04] <Iridos> what's it with the version change from 11.6 to 2.8 ?
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3313 [23:32:21] <mrrhq> So the official way of doing things in Debian can be a little confusing at times. It was for me. :)
3314 [23:32:47] <leba2> mrrhq: thanks.
3315 [23:32:53] <mrrhq> leba2: np.
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3317 [23:33:53] <Iridos> actually that's outdated, on my system now says 7:3.0.2-2~bpo8+1
3318 [23:34:02] <Iridos> hmm, is that ffmpeg again?
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3321 [23:34:39] <Iridos> I think I find the relationship between libav <->ffmpeg confusing
3322 [23:34:42] <TomTomTosch> Iridos: it went from 0.11 to 2.8 someone ate the 0.
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3330 [23:37:52] <Iridos> but libav-tools from backports pulls in ffmpeg and the one in regular stable conflicts with it
3331 [23:38:25] <leba2> mrrhq: does Debian's installer have a name, like Centos's installer is named "anaconda"?
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3334 [23:39:40] <TomTomTosch> oh wait, wheezy-jessie are libav versions and j-b - sid are ffmpeg versions?
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3336 [23:39:53] <mrrhq> leba2: Not really.
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3339 [23:40:21] <Iridos> and stable-avconv --version reports "avconv version 11.7-6:11.7-1~deb8u1" ... and backports-avconv --version reports (well, an error about unrecognized option -version, but also) "ffmpeg version 3.0.2-2~bpo8+1"
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3341 [23:40:41] <Iridos> looks like. I still find it confusing
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3344 [23:41:04] <leba2> Also, is it that Debian ships by default "expecting" for packages to be all installed from the DVDs instead of online repositories like many other distros?
3345 [23:41:32] <Iridos> leba2, "the debian installer"? :P
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3349 [23:42:19] <TomTomTosch> leba2: netins only have the base system on the iso and expects you to have a working internet connection.
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3351 [23:42:47] <Iridos> leba2, no. both are possible. we usually recommend to get the netinstall image with a small set of packages and get the rest from the net (because that saves you downloading images with a lot of packages you then don't install)
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3368 [23:49:10] <frikinz> Hi. Every 30mn or so I have high device IO time (seen from /proc/diskstats) but I am unsure what it is (I don't have a cron that run at this time offset). How would you track this? I thought about audit or sar. Any idea?
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3379 [23:52:01] <Iridos> frikinz, iotop, opensnoop
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3391 [23:55:00] <frikinz> Iridos: yeah iotop is a good candidate. didn't know about opensnoop. thanks
3392 [23:55:40] <Iridos> that of course only works if whatever it is doesn't just keep stuff open and writes nothing for 30 min
3393 [23:56:04] <Iridos> also possibly blktrace
3394 [23:56:18] <Iridos> "but"
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