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5 [02:19:48] <L1nuxg33k> wow step afk for an our and freenode is down
6 [02:19:59] <L1nuxg33k> *hour
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1565 [03:41:25] <TSMI> I have a missing firmware issue. The manual says to download the package and place it in the root directory of the media device, which I did, but still no luck. Do I have to unpack the .deb?
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1567 [03:42:08] <dvs> TSMI, are you trying to do an install?
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1570 [03:43:19] <TSMI> dvs, yes
1571 [03:43:26] <dvs> !firmware iso
1572 [03:43:27] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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1574 [03:43:59] <TSMI> dvs, already using it. But doesnt have the firmware package
1575 [03:44:20] <TSMI> Ill try and extract the .deb inside firmware on the usb stick
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1578 [03:44:54] <dvs> TSMI ??? It has several firmware packages and it automatically uses them during the install
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1586 [03:47:13] <TSMI> dvs, right, I understand the concept. But it does not have the firmware I need to proceed.
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1588 [03:47:27] <dvs> Which firmware is that?
1589 [03:47:51] <TSMI> rtl_nic/rtl868e-3.fw
1590 [03:48:52] <dvs> you're missing a number
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1592 [03:49:13] <TSMI> Probably, I typed it onto my tablet from the screen
1593 [03:50:06] <mrrhq> Your best bet would be to use a dedicated NIC, or just not use Ethernet. That's what the firmware is for. You should still be able to use Wi-Fi, unless that also needs non-free drivers.
1594 [03:50:07] <dvs> Anyways, you don't have to unpack the deb
1595 [03:51:04] <TSMI> dvs, then how do I let the system know to install the fw from the deb?
1596 [03:51:28] <TSMI> mrrhq, wifi needs non free driver as well
1597 [03:51:37] <dvs> TSMI, If the kernel supports that firmware, it will try and find it
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1600 [03:52:16] <TSMI> I put the deb in the root directory, the manual said that would be ok
1601 [03:52:37] <dvs> sorry, gotta go
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1603 [03:52:41] <mrrhq> TSMI: My condolences. You could put the firmware on a flash drive and install it from there into /lib/firmware temporarily.
1604 [03:52:49] <TSMI> The iso is 8.5, I downloaded the deb for stable, all arch
1605 [03:53:13] <TSMI> And put it in the root of the usb stick I am booting from
1606 [03:53:19] <TSMI> Not sure where Ive gone wrong
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1609 [03:54:37] <mrrhq> TSMI: If you have the .deb file, you can install it with sudo dpkg -i <myfile.deb>
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1611 [03:54:47] <mrrhq> If you have a shell.
1612 [03:55:10] <TSMI> mrrhq, no, I am still trying to install
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1614 [03:55:56] <mrrhq> TSMI: You can still finish the Debian installation, and install the network firmware later.
1615 [03:56:18] <TSMI> I am reburning the usb ISO anyway, get a syslinux error on boot (though pressing enter takes me to the main screen anyway)
1616 [03:56:48] <TSMI> mrrhq, not an option sadly. No access to wired ethernet, or a machine that can write to usb sticks
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1620 [03:59:01] <mrrhq> I always have a USB dongle for Wi-Fi that I know works on Linux, just in case that stuff happens. :p
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1624 [04:01:32] <TSMI> mrrhq, I can treat my tablet as a wired connection if I plug it into the usb port in ubuntu. I think that requires some drivers to work though, not aure
1625 [04:01:48] <TSMI> I tried doing that in the install to see if it would pick it up
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1629 [04:02:37] <mrrhq> TSMI: Not sure how that works either. Could be USB tethering.
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1632 [04:03:38] <TSMI> Yeah. Hang on... I guess I could install debian, then install the firmware deb manually post install and just kind of hope it works :/
1633 [04:04:26] <TSMI> Hmm too risky
1634 [04:04:30] <mrrhq> It does suck that Debian doesn't come with proprietary drivers installed by default. It is certainly a distro for intermediary/experianced users.
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1636 [04:04:52] <mrrhq> Most people would probably quit at the point you're at now, lol.
1637 [04:04:59] <kcirick> TSMI: Why not put the fimrware on your USB drive and install from that once you have installed the system?
1638 [04:05:11] <mrrhq> That's what I said, too.
1639 [04:05:19] <kcirick> Why wouldn't that work?
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1644 [04:05:37] <TSMI> still seems risky
1645 [04:05:45] <kcirick> What's risky about it?
1646 [04:06:01] <TSMI> What if theres further issues with wireless at that point?
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1651 [04:06:37] <kcirick> TSMI: Do you have some sort of non-standard wireless setup?
1652 [04:06:50] <mrrhq> TSMI: I dunno. If there are, don't hesitate to ask for help. :)
1653 [04:07:04] <mrrhq> Sounds like you just need the firmware.
1654 [04:07:11] <kcirick> If it's just a standard wireless wireless-tools will take care of it
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1656 [04:07:19] <TSMI> kcirick, weird drivers
1657 [04:07:45] <kcirick> TSMI: Is your driver very new?
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1659 [04:07:55] <TSMI> Actually reading some more docs, I should be able to usb tether the tablet, and just configure the installer to connect to usb0 or whatever
1660 [04:07:57] <kcirick> i mean your wireless card
1661 [04:08:05] <TSMI> No
1662 [04:08:14] <TSMI> I am using the firmware nonfree install
1663 [04:08:21] <kcirick> Then kernel+firmware will work
1664 [04:08:21] <TSMI> Not there, it seems
1665 [04:08:32] <kcirick> TSMI: What's your card?
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1667 [04:10:14] <TSMI> rtl_nic/rtl868e-3.fw
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1669 [04:10:27] <TSMI> Missing a number copied it from the screen..
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1671 [04:10:40] <kcirick> TSMI: I dont understand... so you already have that firmware?
1672 [04:10:59] <kcirick> What's the output of 'lspci | grep Network'?
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1677 [04:12:47] <TSMI> Does the installer have a shell?
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1680 [04:13:19] <TSMI> kcirck, copied it from the installer screen, it says its missi g
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1682 [04:13:44] <kcirick> TSMI: once you finish installing, and reboot, you have the shell without network access
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1684 [04:14:06] <TSMI> kcirck, then I have no way of installing a driver
1685 [04:14:20] <kcirick> put the firmware on your usbstick
1686 [04:14:42] <kcirick> then mount your usbstick and copy the firmware onto /lib/firmware
1687 [04:15:13] <kcirick> you dont need network to mount a usb stick
1688 [04:15:18] <TSMI> The firmware is in the usb
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1690 [04:15:30] <TSMI> The package I need is in /firmware
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1692 [04:16:09] <kcirick> TSMI: forget packages, just download the whole tree from kernel.org: replaced-url
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1697 [04:17:10] <kcirick> Or just get the file you need: replaced-url
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1700 [04:17:57] <TSMI> Let me abort the installation and boot back to ubuntu. Ill download that
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1707 [04:18:59] <kcirick> TSMI: If you download the whole tree, then there is a makefile inside where you can do "make install" and it will copy all of the firmware to /lib/firmware
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1713 [04:21:11] <kcirick> This is one quirk about Debian, due to all the license BS... they can't just have one 'firmware' package that includes everything
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1718 [04:24:12] <hugleo> I've installed a driver using dkms.conf and ever time that a reboot the original kernel is loaded. I have to do modprobe -r and modprobe -i to that to work. Dou you anybody know how can I solve it?
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1720 [04:24:50] <TSMI> Thats not the issue. The firmware file is in the deb package. The system isnt scanning it
1721 [04:25:09] <TSMI> Ill just unpack it. The manual is incorrect or misleading.
1722 [04:25:49] <kcirick> TSMI: I'm not really sure what the installer does. I don't trust it 100% :-P
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1740 [04:36:02] <TSMI> yeah the installer now picks up the ethernet driver after manually unpacking. But only tries connecting to eth0
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1747 [04:39:22] <kcirick> TSMI: which installer are you using?
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1751 [04:40:21] <TSMI> 8.5
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1755 [04:41:52] <markybob> he's asking for the exact url of it. like he asked for the exact lspci info. you don't give details so no one really wants to get involved. he wan't the first to ask you (dvs) and you go around and around. it's tiring.
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1758 [04:42:41] <markybob> wasn't* the first
1759 [04:42:47] <kcirick> markybob: you drilled me on this when I was installing :-)
1760 [04:43:48] <markybob> kcirick: yeah sounds like me. don't remember to be honest :P
1761 [04:44:00] <TSMI> fair enough. I was unable to give the lspci details as I was in the installer. Anyway, I am probably giving up for today thanks for the help
1762 [04:44:15] <kcirick> markybob: I remember you very well. You taught me well :-)
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1764 [04:44:31] <markybob> kcirick: glad i helped :)
1765 [04:44:33] <kcirick> TSMI: did you read through this? replaced-url
1766 [04:45:18] <TSMI> Yes. I referenced it earlier in the convo. Its slightly misleading
1767 [04:45:40] <TSMI> You can simply write the .deb to the root of the boot medium. You need to unpack it
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1769 [04:45:58] <TSMI> s/can/can't
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1813 [05:20:39] <eyeris> My system waits 1m30s for my disks and then gives up and says "welcome to emergency mode" without a login prompt. If I go to the VT9 debug shell and run "mount /dev/sda1 /boot" during that 1m30s delay it boots up fine.
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1827 [05:34:44] <SilverWhitefish> is the user:group media_rw the same as sdcard_rw?
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1831 [05:38:09] <SilverWhitefish> never mind. instead of follwing all the syslinks i just went into /data/media/* and did what i needed to do.
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1901 [06:28:03] <up2late> if i want to uninstall telnet whats it called? sudo apt-get uninstall telnet didnt work
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1903 [06:28:25] <up2late> i dont remmeber the proper command
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1910 [06:29:43] <up2late> thats it
1911 [06:29:43] <up2late> thanks
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2032 [07:50:21] <bhurstpdx1> is there a way to undo apt-get autoremove besides looking at /var/log/apt/history.log and reinstalling packages manually?
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2035 [07:56:11] <awal1> bhurstpdx1, autoremove removes the automatically installed pkgs (deps, recommends, basically). reinstalling the pkg removed will reinstall those deps/recommends
2036 [07:57:13] <awal1> -1 = -2, 3, 4... so +1 = +2, 3, 4
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2039 [07:57:26] <awal1> :D
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2046 [08:00:20] <awal1> aptitude -f install may reinstall them all (main pkg + it's deps/recommends) if you havent used --purge with autoremove for apt-get/apt or aptitude, bhurstpdx1
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2055 [08:09:24] <bhurstpdx1> Thanks awall!
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2058 [08:11:12] <bhurstpdx1> looks like I was able to reinstall everything manually. next time I inevitably screw up, i'll remeber that!
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2083 [08:25:30] <ocb> hello
2084 [08:26:01] <a1batr0ss> hi
2085 [08:26:23] <ocb> running debian wheezy and having latest php5 installed from repo (php5_5.4.45-0+deb7u4), it's obsolete, am I right?
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2094 [08:28:17] <ocb> ls -la
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2096 [08:29:34] <rozie> ocb: replaced-url
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2100 [08:31:37] <ocb> rozie: I have seen that, but debian doesn't backport some updates even after EOL?
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2102 [08:32:10] <rozie> it may have *some* updates (see changelog)
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2109 [08:33:04] <ocb> ok thanks /usr/share/doc/php5-common/changelog.Debian.gz
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2125 [08:38:37] <Haohmaru> does the debian 8.4 desktop iso (i386) use "isolinux" or something else?
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2160 [08:56:24] <discovered> what you do when debian system freeze completely? Mouse,Keyboard does not move at all
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2163 [08:58:57] <Haohmaru> discovered, ctrl+alt+F1
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2165 [08:59:21] <discovered> What it will do? Task Manager will be opened?
2166 [08:59:24] <Haohmaru> and, does the numlock or capslock work (does it toggle the LED on the keyboard) ?
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2169 [08:59:43] <Haohmaru> no, that would switch to another textmode thing
2170 [09:00:02] <Haohmaru> so that you can log in and execute commands
2171 [09:00:03] <ocb> hmmm I can't get it, what kind of patches does debian LTS support make for obsolete packages, all or just critical?
2172 [09:00:16] <discovered> okay ok....
2173 [09:00:28] <ocb> for example, php5-5.4.45+deb7u4
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2175 [09:00:47] <ocb> I see even the php is obsolete the 5.4.45 there are backported patches
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2180 [09:01:42] <mrrhq> discovered: Hard freeze, as in can't get to a tty?
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2183 [09:02:04] <discovered> no.
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2185 [09:03:09] <discovered> I did not try this.... I simply rebooted with power button
2186 [09:03:18] <angor> :)
2187 [09:03:21] <discovered> I will try it next time
2188 [09:03:39] <angor> play now, when system still alive
2189 [09:04:03] <angor> in text mode you can switch from alt-f1 to alt-f6, alt-f7 will return to X
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2191 [09:04:31] <saunamees> I cannot figure out these tap interfaces on VM-s -.-
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2195 [09:04:59] <mrrhq> discovered: You can check logs with sudo pager /var/log/syslog and see if anything looks odd during the crash.
2196 [09:05:07] <mrrhq> Or, actually, journalctl -xb
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2199 [09:06:53] <saunamees> I have bridge set up bridge permamently, now how do I get connection for VM with tap, It never can use the dhcp or anything, only if I give the ip of my bridge, it get connection
2200 [09:07:15] <saunamees> but then I lose connection on host
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2220 [09:18:15] <MaBunny> Is Google Mock (or GMock ) available for debian jessie ???
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2290 [09:55:08] <colo-work> I'd like to migrate a physical Debian Wheezy installation into an LXC (or other; maybe systemd's machinectl is up for that task?) container on a Debian Jessie host. is there a chance this could work by just copying over the phys. (wheezy) host's filesystem into an existing lxc container directory?
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2292 [09:55:13] <colo-work> has anyone of you ever tried that?
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2343 [10:14:58] <Anonymes> Hi
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2370 [10:26:38] <renergy> still wonder, why APT is accessed with "apt-get" and not simply "apt" command
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2377 [10:28:49] <rdz> renergy, what do you mean? apt is supposed to be a more end-user-friendly command, but both cover similar tasks
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2382 [10:30:06] <renergy> rdz: apt is a command?
2383 [10:30:19] <renergy> I meant - instead of "apt-get update", one would call just "apt update"
2384 [10:30:29] <renergy> instead of "apt-get clean" -> "apt clean"
2385 [10:30:41] <renergy> the "-get" part of "apt-get" kind of irritates me
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2390 [10:31:20] <rdz> renergy, in debian jessie there indeed is an 'apt' command
2391 [10:31:30] <rdz> you can do: apt update, apt upgrade
2392 [10:31:59] <rdz> there is no 'clean' command, though
2393 [10:32:17] <renergy> rdz: thank you for the info
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2412 [10:43:22] <ioanm> hi, I have this issue in xserver-xorg-video-ati version 7.5.0 TearFree is not available (using Debian Jessie Stable)
2413 [10:43:51] <peterrooney> renergy: apt-cache, apt-file, apt-rdepends, apt-listchanges, apt-src ...
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2420 [10:47:52] <renergy> peterrooney: thanks
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2457 [10:55:23] <t4nk762> Hey guys, I've a problem with golang.org language, I'm running on Debian 8. Basically my Go's net.Dialer only makes IPv4 connections by default, but my server seems to be only listening on IPv6. Creating this error net.Dial(tcp, "localhost:8089") got error: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:8089: getsockopt: connection refused
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2460 [10:57:26] <t4nk762> Hey guys, I've a problem with golang.org language, I'm running on Debian 8. Basically my Go's net.Dialer only makes IPv4 connections by default, but my server seems to be only listening on IPv6. Creating this error "net.Dial(tcp, "localhost:8089") got error: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:8089: getsockopt: connection refused". How can I automatically configure any IPv4 Dial to transform into a IPv6 Dial, or how can I make my debian 8 server lis
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2479 [11:08:50] <ioanm> okay I heard i can move from debian jessie stable to testing, how?
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2482 [11:10:54] <t4nk762> Hey guys, I've a problem with golang.org language, I'm running on Debian 8. Basically my Go's net.Dialer only makes IPv4 connections by default, but my server seems to be only listening on IPv6. Creating this error "net.Dial(tcp, "localhost:8089") got error: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:8089: getsockopt: connection refused". How can I automatically configure any IPv4 Dial to transform into a IPv6 Dial, or how can I make my debian 8 server lis
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2485 [11:11:30] <up2late> replaced-url
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2492 [11:14:55] <ioanm> up2late, yeah you certainly solved it
2493 [11:15:16] <ChrisH> t4nk762: netstat -an | grep 8089
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2498 [11:17:47] <up2late> ioanm: your welcome
2499 [11:17:59] <up2late> *you're
2500 [11:18:21] <ioanm> well better closed my programs, upgrading
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2504 [11:23:33] <t4nk762> ChrisH: Did it already with fuser 8089/tcp beforehand
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2507 [11:24:58] <t4nk762> brb
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2580 [12:12:09] <t4nk762> Hey guys, I've a problem with golang.org language, I'm running on Debian 8. Basically my Go's net.Dialer only makes IPv4 connections by default, but my server seems to be only listening on IPv6. Creating this error "net.Dial(tcp, "localhost:8089") got error: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:8089: getsockopt: connection refused". How can I automatically configure any IPv4 Dial to transform into a IPv6 Dial, or how can I make my debian 8 server lis
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2608 [12:25:15] <debianoob> can someone help me?
2609 [12:25:30] <debianoob> I want to change to debian testing
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2611 [12:25:46] <debianoob> if I change sources.list from jessie to testing, will that work?
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2627 [12:35:11] <mikejw> I'm trying these sendmail settings for use with mailtrap but I'm getting connection timed out in the logs:
2628 [12:35:14] <mikejw> replaced-url
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2658 [12:47:19] <Prottey> Say, I need to rename the orig tarball for a certain weird reason. Once I download source and unpack it, I rename both the tarball (foo_0.12.orig.tar.xz to foo_0.12-tag.orig.tar.gz) and the directory (foo-0.12 to foo-0.12-tag)
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2660 [12:48:01] <thms> Prottey: and then ?
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2662 [12:48:21] <Prottey> However when I try debuild, it calls dpkg-source again, which in turn thinks the orig tarball still has the old name
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2664 [12:48:45] <thms> what the hell
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2666 [12:49:00] <thms> either just rename the .xz or .tgz and thats it; no need to unpack
2667 [12:49:09] <thms> either unpack and re-pack if it's not too big
2668 [12:49:44] <thms> why did you rename a .tar.xz to a .tar.gz btw ?
2669 [12:49:50] <Prottey> I did run find and rgrep, but I haven't found old name or version mentioned anywhere, except old entries in changelog (I added one with a new name via dch -i)
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2671 [12:50:14] <Prottey> s/gz/xz/
2672 [12:50:16] <thms> paste the error somewhere pls
2673 [12:50:30] <Prottey> typo
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2675 [12:50:34] <thms> ok
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2677 [12:51:00] <thms> I don't get your "debuild"
2678 [12:51:07] <thms> and why you unpack to rename an archive
2679 [12:51:09] <Prottey> moreover, even removing all the old entries from changelog doesn't help either
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2681 [12:51:31] <thms> just mv orig.tgz new.tgz and then tar xzvf new.tgz ...
2682 [12:51:44] <Prottey> "debuild -S -sa" command
2683 [12:52:03] <Prottey> should be basically similar to dpkg-buildpackage or something
2684 [12:52:09] <thms> what the heck are you doing
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2686 [12:52:15] <thms> yeah it's for debian packages
2687 [12:52:42] <thms> Mh ok finally understood what you're trying to achieve
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2689 [12:53:29] <thms> Yeah I think you'd have to build the package again. Can't really help sorry
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2692 [12:54:56] <Pat2_> hello all
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2695 [12:55:57] <Pat2_> i didn't find any solutions anywhere to my question that is : is there a sources.list for squeeze. i want just install memtest86+
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2702 [12:58:02] <Pat2> my question server for squeeze ? or would there be a solution to install memtest86+ ?deb-src ?
2703 [12:58:31] <Prottey> actually, after running 'dpkg-source -b foo-0.12-tag' it says 'no upstream tarball found at foo_0.12.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz}'
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2706 [13:00:20] <thms> Prottey: there's a debian developpers channel, i think you should try your luck there
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2708 [13:01:08] <Iridos> there's #debian-mentors on oftc ... but they're more for helping new developers package official debian packages
2709 [13:01:42] <Prottey> they say #debian-devel is invite-only
2710 [13:02:04] <Prottey> sent a knock
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2723 [13:06:11] <Prottey> I think I got it anyway
2724 [13:06:29] <Prottey> it's some weird changelog semantics
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2727 [13:07:31] <bazhang> !doesn't work
2728 [13:07:31] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
2729 [13:08:10] <Pat2> solution was here : deb replaced-url
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2807 [13:57:21] <ioanm> I have this wierd select issue in HexChat textbox, the cursor with mouse selects characters a few pixels to it's right
2808 [13:57:31] <ioanm> is that general, for everyone or just me?
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2815 [14:00:25] <Aaron> ioanm: ask that in #hexchat
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2843 [14:13:32] <pflanze> How does Debian or Xfce read startup files nowadays? It doesn't read ~/.profile anymore.
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2858 [14:18:00] <jubo2> how do I mass delete all email in a mailbox I read with alpine that is sent by the cron on the localhost?
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2866 [14:20:19] <musca> !alpine
2867 [14:20:19] <dpkg> Alpine is a cross-platform e-mail client for the console. It is a rewrite of <Pine>, distributed under the version 2.0 of the Apache License. It currently has no <maildir> support (Debian bug #405762). replaced-url
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2869 [14:20:25] <musca> jubo2: replaced-url
2870 [14:20:37] <renergy> pflanze: depends on the desktop manager you're using; I'm using none :) starting X with startx
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2872 [14:20:51] <renergy> pflanze: and have init stuff in ~/.xinitrc
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2884 [14:26:25] <bashman> all: if someone is using dvtm, bash has a facility with alt backspace to delete the last word (not the same as ^w which deletes the complete arguement until it encounteres a space)
2885 [14:26:30] <bashman> this does not seem to work
2886 [14:26:33] <bashman> in dvtm
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2901 [14:31:50] <jubo2> musca: ok thänks
2902 [14:32:04] <backspace> ...
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2904 [14:34:03] <musca> jubo2: ÿw
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2911 [14:36:38] <gerforce> hello, i want to convert .ape file into .wav file, so i can burn it into a dvd for my car to play. So which software should i use in Debian jessie? I tried soundconverter,but it seemed only working for .flac to .wav.
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2913 [14:37:22] <dvs> gerforce, audacity?
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2917 [14:38:29] <gerforce> dvs: working on it
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2925 [14:40:12] <gerforce> dvs: it seems too professional.
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2927 [14:40:31] <gerforce> need some time to get used to it
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2929 [14:40:39] <dvs> gerforce, you just need to load the file and then export it
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2971 [15:01:31] <gerforce> dvs: yes, but it only supports low quality convert from ape to wav. I convert from ape to flac first, and then use soundconverter to convert flac to wav with high quality.
2972 [15:01:52] <dvs> ok
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2975 [15:02:02] <ifnotnowthenwhy> Hi all, I've got a server that have both sendmail and postfix installed, both with different configurations, in the cronjob i got mails successfully going out via /usr/sbin/sendmail, but how can I figure out which configuration files /usr/bin/mail is using to send? (sendmail.mc or main.cf from postfix?)
2976 [15:02:13] <ifnotnowthenwhy> Thanks in advance
2977 [15:02:46] <gerforce> dvs: In my opinion, big file means good quality. lol
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2981 [15:04:02] <colo-work> ifnotnowthenwhy, afair, Debian doesn't allow for parallel installations of more than one MTA.
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2983 [15:04:13] <colo-work> how did you figure out which MTAs you (supposedly) have installed=
2984 [15:04:15] <colo-work> ?
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2993 [15:08:27] <petemc> ifnotnowthenwhy: probably whichever provides /usr/sbin/sendmail , check with readlink -f /usr/sbin/sendmail
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3046 [15:35:59] <MaBunny> hey guys have anyone of youtried Google Mock ??? Its a unit testing framework
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3050 [15:36:50] <mayhew> MaBunny: try #gtest on irc.oftc.net :)
3051 [15:37:00] <MaBunny> thnx
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3138 [16:08:54] <TehRabbitt> okay, so i'm noticing something very strange.
3139 [16:09:14] <TehRabbitt> when I log into these new "cloned" debian boxes I made, after changing hostname and IP, it takes a VERY long time to get a password prompt
3140 [16:09:42] <TehRabbitt> is it just RDNS most liekly?
3141 [16:09:48] <TehRabbitt> likely*
3142 [16:10:13] <TehRabbitt> though even sudo is taking a LONG time to come up with a prompt.
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3152 [16:12:58] <jelly> TehRabbitt: did you change hostname in all the right places and does your dns resolving work and do those new IPs have PTRs in your dns?
3153 [16:13:15] <jelly> !hostname
3154 [16:13:16] <dpkg> Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. replaced-url
3155 [16:13:23] <TehRabbitt> jelly, I think I missed one. i'm revewing everything now, just didn't think it would affect sudo as well just ssh
3156 [16:13:30] <jelly> (/etc/hosts in particular)
3157 [16:13:49] <TehRabbitt> jelly, is there a way to disable rdns for PAM all together? or is it better to leave it?
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3160 [16:14:55] <jelly> not that I know, and I'm not sure it's all PAM
3161 [16:15:13] <jelly> both sshd and sudo have reasons to do lookups in their code
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3163 [16:15:32] <TehRabbitt> jelly, Ah.
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3166 [16:16:07] <TehRabbitt> jelly, i'm guessing mostly for logging purposes etc? I did do a "UseDNS no" in the sshd_config and it helped speed that part up, but the main issue was apparently I had to put the hostname next to 127.0.0.1 and not just localhost
3167 [16:16:10] <TehRabbitt> it needed both
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3172 [16:16:53] <wrouesnel1> Is there a decent resource on what packaging with git-buildpackage looks like working from an upstream repository?
3173 [16:16:54] <jelly> TehRabbitt: it needed _an_ entry for your fqdn in /etc/hosts, not necessarily 127.0.0.1
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3176 [16:17:32] <jelly> TehRabbitt: if you have a static ip, use that. "10.9.8.7 hostname.full.domain hostnname"
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3179 [16:17:46] <jelly> leave 127.0.0.1 to be jsut localhost
3180 [16:18:02] <asterismo> one question, what is this systemd fear that is all over the place?
3181 [16:18:13] <asterismo> what is that? a new kernel?
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3183 [16:19:02] <TehRabbitt> jelly, it's weird, because when I added the hostname to 127.0.0.1, it sped up
3184 [16:19:16] <TehRabbitt> better practice not to have it tehre though?
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3193 [16:22:03] <TehRabbitt> jelly, okay so I did just the 127.0.0.1 to localhost, and made a seperate entry for the actual hostname of the server, and it it's still quick, so i guess that's all it needed.
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3197 [16:23:22] <TehRabbitt> jelly, now to figure out this repository stuff :\ basically want to ensure production only gets security updates on a regular (weekly) basis, and leave regular updates to monthly. but I can't figure out an easy way to do that
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3210 [16:24:14] <TehRabbitt> jelly, thanks btw :)
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3265 [16:49:42] <dcpc007> Hi, what are the differences between sssd and nlscd for ldap clients ? (note that we have debian 7 and centos/RHEL too in servers)
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3331 [17:14:11] <galex-713> Hi
3332 [17:14:19] <galex-713> why are guile-cairo and guile-gnome packaged into Debian without info documentation?
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3372 [17:24:47] <jhutchins> dcpc007: replaced-url
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3375 [17:25:10] <jhutchins> dcpc007: sssd is generally considered more current.
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3380 [17:26:55] <dcpc007> debian seems to recommand nslcd
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3382 [17:27:24] <dcpc007> i easely found nslcd doc, (+nscd) in the wiki, but nothing with sssd
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3384 [17:28:36] <dcpc007> some say that id Kerberos need, of full RHEL go for sssd, and if mixed env go nslcd
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3392 [17:31:43] <jhutchins> dcpc007: I've only seen sssd used, and only on RedHat/CentOS systems.
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3401 [17:37:21] <dcpc007> ok i'll see but it seems that they already put nslcd on the cluster, then i'll use the same for oter servers and computers
3402 [17:37:34] <dcpc007> i'll look for autofs configuration too i need it ...
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3421 [17:50:00] <jhutchins> dcpc007: That's also supposed to be better integrated in sssd, but if they've already implemented nslcd you might as well go with that.
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3424 [17:50:21] <jhutchins> dcpc007: I have't been the one to implement it, but it seems like there's always one step that doesn't quite go as documented.
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3435 [17:58:15] <dcpc007> yes, as i don't know many things about both, i prefer learn only one .. even if not the best ...
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3478 [18:13:20] <jelly> dcpc007: the right way to do it will be to learn 2-3 implementations well enough to set up the system in _any_ of them, then pick the least buggy
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3497 [18:20:38] <Neville> I am trying to calibrate monitors and would like to install a color profile under xfce & Dedian. Please point me in the right direction.
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3512 [18:28:57] <prussian> Neville: argyllcms can load it into Xorg.
3513 [18:29:26] <prussian> I don't remember which command nor have a laptop to read the man pages for you.
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3516 [18:30:11] <Neville> I am using displaycal with argyllcms; it fails to install the profile.
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3518 [18:31:20] <Neville> colord: The profile has been imported. You may need to manually assign and activate under "Color" system setting.
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3542 [18:37:49] <jhutchins> I've had surprizingly good luck simply copying an error message and pasting it into google. Sometimes it helps to remove system-specific parts of the message.
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3553 [18:43:52] <DrBunsen> Hello, I noticed that the firefox window has a window title and chrome hasn't. How is this and how do I edit this? See this example replaced-url
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3568 [18:48:16] <jhutchins> DrBunsen: That's usually a setting within the browser.
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3571 [18:48:45] <jhutchins> DrBunsen: For most, F11 gives you a full screen without borders.
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3575 [18:49:38] <DrBunsen> jhutschin: I know about F11, if you look at the slimg link I shared you will see that I mean that without F11 the border is not present in chrome
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3583 [18:52:10] <jhutchins> DrBunsen: Like I said, it's usually configurable in the browser.
3584 [18:52:28] <jhutchins> DrBunsen: Depends a little on which display manager you're using, but that's not usually per-window.
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3588 [18:52:59] <jhutchins> DrBunsen: BTW you should be able to type a few letters of a nickname and hit tab to auto-complete (occasionally with amusing errors).
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3591 [18:53:37] <jmcnaught> DrBunsen: there are some gnome related firefox add-ons that might help you tweak this, but i haven't tried them
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3593 [18:54:03] <zoug> hello guys, I hear a lot that Debian has an extremely slow update pace. Is it still suitable for a webserver? Are security updates applied quickly or should I use another distro? Thanks!
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3599 [18:54:53] <jmcnaught> zoug: security updates are handled pretty quickly on Debian
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3601 [18:55:23] <DrBunsen> zoug: I would prefer Debian for a webserver, it is stable and security udates are rather quick
3602 [18:55:25] <jhutchins> zoug: While packages often have older version numbers, they are tested and patched.
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3606 [18:55:44] <jmcnaught> zoug: Debian Stable releases keep to the same versions of all the software they include for their duration (with some exceptions), so that you don't get surprise behaviour/config changes when you apply security updates
3607 [18:55:55] <jhutchins> zoug: Many people find Debian ideal for servers because it's so stable, and it doesn't sacrifice stability just to have the latest greatest version numbers.
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3610 [18:56:21] <zoug> Okey, if they're patched when they're a security flaw then it's all good. Thanks !
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3612 [18:56:39] <zoug> s/they're/there's/
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3638 [19:07:26] <unborn> zoug: been using debian on srv for 7 years.. never had any issues, i am using it on all my machines (desks/laptops) past 3 moths and also it just works (need doing ubuntu for about 4 years), so yeah its all good :)
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3684 [19:24:42] <Coolternet> hello guys
3685 [19:24:56] <Coolternet> im using VirtualBox and i have fresh install of Debian 8.5.0
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3687 [19:25:46] <Coolternet> I have 2 Cdrom (virtual) but my linux is installed with VCD #0 and after install i set the iso on VCD#1
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3690 [19:26:02] <Coolternet> Now, i need to apt-get update... but all request is ignored
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3696 [19:26:58] <jelly> Coolternet: if you did not have internet access during the installation, your repo configuration in /etc/apt/sources.list may be incomplete
3697 [19:27:04] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
3698 [19:27:04] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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3701 [19:27:11] <Coolternet> when i try to install VIM, i have the message '' please insert disk labeled### "
3702 [19:27:43] <jelly> Coolternet: comment out cdrom entries, leave only the remote http or ftp ones.
3703 [19:27:44] <Coolternet> i juste need to install VIM because i need convert dos file to unix
3704 [19:27:59] <jelly> we also have "dos2unix"
3705 [19:28:20] <Coolternet> yeah but i dont have internet on the VM
3706 [19:28:35] <jelly> perl -pi 's/\r//' file-to-convert
3707 [19:28:48] <Coolternet> i need perl ?
3708 [19:28:58] <jelly> no, you _have_ perl
3709 [19:29:12] <jelly> that's just one of dozens of ways to do the conversion
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3711 [19:29:40] <jelly> Coolternet: is there a reason you don't have internet access?
3712 [19:29:45] <Coolternet> im with RDP and im not able to do \
3713 [19:29:58] <jelly> Coolternet: is there a reason you don't have internet access?
3714 [19:30:21] <mutante> put vim .deb on floppy, use dpkg -i .. /me hides
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3717 [19:30:31] <Coolternet> for getting access i need to setting up /etc/network/interface and set nameserver
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3719 [19:30:44] <jelly> I thought vim-tiny was present in the base system.
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3721 [19:30:58] <jelly> judd: i vim-tiny
3722 [19:30:59] <judd> Package vim-tiny (editors, important) in jessie/amd64: Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - compact version. Version: 2:7.4.488-7; Size: 408.1k; Installed: 1051k; Homepage: replaced-url
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3729 [19:31:44] <jelly> Coolternet: man ascii, copy the backslash character
3730 [19:32:09] <jelly> "I don't have X or screen or gpm!"
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3732 [19:32:31] <Grug_> hi all
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3734 [19:33:05] <jelly> Coolternet: why do you have two virtual cdrom devices anyway?
3735 [19:33:39] <Coolternet> okay the first CDrom is for my scripts and the second for Linux CD
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3737 [19:34:00] <Coolternet> i try to have an automatic system :(
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3744 [19:35:37] <jelly> Coolternet: surely you can switch their places
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3748 [19:36:19] <Coolternet> i have some customers with VM and they have no acces to VirtualBox
3749 [19:36:20] <brimonk> Hey all. Quick question, is the version of qemu that's in sid really 1.2.6? Or is it the 1.2.6 Debian version, which is just the Debian name for qemu 2.6.0.
3750 [19:36:23] <mutante> Coolternet: cant you just actually insert the needed CD?
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3752 [19:37:04] <jelly> Coolternet: and you can't mount, copy the scripts to the system, umount, put debian back in?
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3754 [19:37:29] <Coolternet> no... if the ppl want to format VM, they can't do that. That's why i need 2 CDrom
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3756 [19:37:37] <Coolternet> vim.tiny is perfect :)
3757 [19:37:57] <jelly> Coolternet: first set up vbox images, THEN when they're ready give them to customers. This setup is silly
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3759 [19:38:35] <dutchfish> hi, is /run recreated on every boot? and what creates it?
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3762 [19:39:48] <dutchfish> and why is /var/run still needed?
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3774 [19:43:17] <jelly> dutchfish: backwards combatability
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3779 [19:43:40] <dutchfish> ah ok, i overlooked tmpfs also. Thanks. On par now.
3780 [19:43:42] <jelly> may get removed in stretch maybe
3781 [19:43:59] <dutchfish> jelly, yes, i saw that in sid
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3784 [19:44:19] <dutchfish> jelly, thanks again.
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3797 [19:47:18] <kaboo> I need to run a script at startup to setup my iptables ruleset. What's the correct way to do this?
3798 [19:47:56] <dutchfish> kaboo, replaced-url
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3813 [19:52:18] <simonlnu> jelly: combatibility ? :)
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3815 [19:52:35] <Coolternet> i have creat my own script : replaced-url
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3820 [19:53:13] <Coolternet> if u want to use it :) let's go :) if you have any enhancement, juste comment the source
3821 [19:53:45] <jelly> iptables-persistent is kind of good enough
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3823 [19:54:08] <jelly> with -m comment for every rule
3824 [19:54:33] <Coolternet> i use it because each time i restart the VM, i lost all rules pfff idk why
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3826 [19:54:46] <Coolternet> but with perssistance it's seem to be ok
3827 [19:56:11] <simonlnu> brimonk: Version: 1:2.6+dfsg-3 the 1: is an epoch; it's used in package versioning. the version is 2.6+dfsg (the +dfsg is to make the package comply with Debian's packaging guidelines). So you're looking at 2.6 for upstream version.
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3830 [19:56:45] <simonlnu> brimonk: to make the upstream software comply with those guidelines, rather
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3833 [19:57:30] <brimonk> simonlnu: Thank you!
3834 [19:57:32] <simonlnu> brimonk: usually because of docs included have a non-dfsg free license, or some other reason.
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3836 [19:58:03] <brimonk> simonlnu: Now, next question. Is there an easy way to have two versions of qemu, stable & unstable
3837 [19:58:14] <simonlnu> not recommended
3838 [19:58:28] <brimonk> I didn't think so.
3839 [19:58:30] <simonlnu> and no. a package can't have 2 versions of itself at once.
3840 [19:58:30] <brimonk> I got it,
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3842 [19:58:41] <simonlnu> installed*
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3844 [19:58:45] <brimonk> I'll virtualize Debian unstable,
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3847 [19:59:16] <brimonk> And I'll pass my gfx card through to unstable, then I'll install the newer version of qemu, then I'll be able to virtualize windows perfectly.
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3903 [20:24:41] <MisterGadfly> Anyone know of a "json builder" or something like that to make writing json easier?
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3993 [21:02:24] <yeehaw94> I
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4000 [21:04:23] <yeehaw94> I'm trying to configure lirc in debian 8.5 but the package installer doesn't give me a list of remotes to configure (like in ubuntu). By default the remote works partially in xbmc but the OK and back button do not work. How is this supposed to work?
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4019 [21:11:51] <yeehaw94> backports it is, then...
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4030 [21:16:29] <frog__> hi
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4037 [21:18:12] <frog__> i'm fairly new to debian. i'm running jessy 8.5. i've added jessie-backports to my debian sources and installed certbot. now how can I make sure that the rest of the system will NOT use jessy-backports? especially when I make a system update?
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4039 [21:19:16] <TomTheTosch> frog__: backports is per default pinned lower than the other repos. only stuff you installed manually should be pulled from backports.
4040 [21:20:11] <TomTheTosch> frog__: if you type apt-cache policy you see the level at which a repo is pinned. 500 for the main stuff, 100 for backports.
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4043 [21:21:20] <TomTheTosch> frog__: 'man apt_preferences' to learn more.
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4045 [21:21:28] <jim> "rest of the system"? probably remove backports... also consider deb-src and doing some of your needed backports yourself
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4049 [21:22:24] <TomTheTosch> no need to remove backports. it's leave it in to get updates.
4050 [21:22:37] <TomTheTosch> s/it's/I'd
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4052 [21:24:20] <frog__> TomTheTosch: thanks!
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4064 [21:28:34] <Zliba> so... i wanna install a Zebra LP 2844-Z printer, and aparently, I'm supposed to just install a "generic" printer driver, add some lines, and then print to the printer using binary
4065 [21:28:55] <davidkart> do you have some recommandation for serving static files with debian ?
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4067 [21:29:13] <davidkart> It seems apache is the per default web server with debian. Is that really true ?
4068 [21:29:14] <Zliba> but I have never installed a printer before in linux, and I'm lost. I've got xfce and debian jessie
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4070 [21:29:29] <davidkart> Zliba:
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4072 [21:29:54] <davidkart> check if your printer is supported on linux, going on openprinting.org.
4073 [21:30:24] <Zliba> davidkart, I was looking at replaced-url
4074 [21:30:30] <Zliba> davidkart, will check now
4075 [21:30:51] <cavaughan> Zliba: yeah that printer is not on openprinting.org. Just checked it out.
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4077 [21:31:44] <cavaughan> Zliba: look at this:
4078 [21:31:48] <cavaughan> replaced-url
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4080 [21:33:15] <jhutchins> davidkart: apache is the default web server for everything except windows.
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4083 [21:33:30] <jhutchins> davidkart: There are some others, but mostly not as well documented.
4084 [21:33:36] <cavaughan> Zliba: OMG it's a label printer, right?
4085 [21:33:38] <cavaughan> replaced-url
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4087 [21:33:43] <Zliba> cavaughan, yeah
4088 [21:34:13] <jhutchins> davidkart: nginx is getting fairly common especially as a proxy to handle a java (or other active server) service.
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4090 [21:34:45] <jhutchins> cavaughan: Yeah, zebra's a pretty well known brand for those.
4091 [21:34:49] <cavaughan> replaced-url
4092 [21:35:32] <mayhew> nginx is way better for performance
4093 [21:35:40] <davidkart> I just got some troubles by installing nginx, nothing seemed to work out of the box, and it seems to be security warning right here : replaced-url
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4095 [21:36:06] <jhutchins> mayhew: It depends on what you're doing with it.
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4098 [21:36:26] <davidkart> and performance-wise, I don't think I'm concerned (if the server handles 10 simultaneous connection, it's ok, that's about the max I'd expect).
4099 [21:36:56] <davidkart> Well, anyway going for apache has its own benefits (like toying with one of the most commonly employed web server).
4100 [21:36:59] <jhutchins> davidkart: Use apache. It's worth learning, and once you've learned it you'll understand nginx better.
4101 [21:37:16] <davidkart> yeah, that's what I was beginning to think.
4102 [21:37:24] <jhutchins> davidkart: The main trick with nginx is to do as little as possible configuring it.
4103 [21:38:04] <mayhew> jhutchins: from my experience nginx is *always* faster than Apache. It's simply a more modern codebase that was built from the ground up based on epoll/kqueue with no legacy shit like Apache.
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4106 [21:38:51] <mayhew> Apache has 3-4 different runtimes, awful XML configuration that's more complex.. there's really no reason to use it unless you're on shared hosting or need .htaccess or something.
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4113 [21:39:33] <jhutchins> mayhew: nginx appears faster because it doesn't do any of the work, that's all passed to the back end.
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4130 [21:40:45] <jhutchins> mayhew: Yes, apache is complex, there are a LOT of things it can do.
4131 [21:40:55] <mayhew> jhutchins: no, it is faster doing the exact same work as Apache. And it's a good design to keep your application outside of the webserver, you say that like it's a bad thing.
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4140 [21:41:23] <jhutchins> mayhew: Apache is the internet standard, and for good reason.
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4184 [21:41:52] <mayhew> jhutchins: there is no internet standard, and if you look at the statistics the top sites are using nginx more and more these days and for good reason.
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4248 [21:42:44] <jhutchins> mayhew: How many web servers do you manage?
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4271 [21:43:21] <mayhew> I'm not sure how that's relevant
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4274 [21:43:34] <jhutchins> Just curious.
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4304 [21:44:31] <rozie> apache is de facto standard, and it's swiss knife
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4310 [21:44:59] <rozie> nginx is faster, but requires more work at tuning configuration
4311 [21:45:11] * rysiek|pl disagrees
4312 [21:45:15] <rozie> and it's mainly used on front
4313 [21:45:25] * rysiek|pl disagrees again
4314 [21:45:36] <mayhew> rozie: no, nginx requires basically no config. It's Apache that requires more configuration. Right up front you need to decide what "run-time" you want to see, mpm, prefork, event, etc.
4315 [21:45:45] * rysiek|pl disagrees with that too
4316 [21:46:11] <rysiek|pl> nginx config language is much simpler and much mroe readable; that being said, it's still confusing at times, and requries some getting used to
4317 [21:46:19] <rozie> it all depends ;-)
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4319 [21:46:42] <rysiek|pl> at times it's a bit more demanding, but for good reasons (like locations vs ifs)
4320 [21:46:58] <rozie> rysiek|pl: if an app requires some rewrites and supports apache, well...
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4322 [21:47:15] <mayhew> rozie: nginx can rewrite URLs just fine
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4324 [21:47:18] <rozie> I know everything can be translated
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4329 [21:47:26] <rysiek|pl> rozie: "supports" by providing a htaccess file? it can and should provide nginx snippet too
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4331 [21:47:28] <mayhew> rozie: but that implies you're using PHP probably?
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4358 [21:48:22] <H4ndy> php-fpm was a godsent comming from apache
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4362 [21:48:30] <davidkart> well one strong advantage of apache, i'd say, for noob is that the thing is well aged and has plenty of doc around. Same could be said for nginx, but it's still less mature I believe. Well for fancy web servers which are processing a ton of requests, maybe nginx is better than apache. But i'm a noob, atm I just want to host my blog (lol). I don't think it's going to make that much a difference.
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4367 [21:48:50] <rysiek|pl> davidkart: trudat
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4370 [21:49:02] <H4ndy> nginx is king on low-power machines like the raspberry pi, but apache did some work in that regard as well to give them credit
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4376 [21:49:23] <rozie> OTOH I had no problem with Wordpress on lighttpd
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4379 [21:49:49] <H4ndy> lighttpd was pretty much the same than nginx, but it wasnt able to keep up at all with it
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4381 [21:50:04] <rozie> which has even better config syntax than nginx (at least for Perl guy)
4382 [21:50:11] <H4ndy> I used lighttpd for 2 years until nginx put on their tryhard pants and lifted of
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4387 [21:50:47] <rozie> but today I'd choose nginx
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4390 [21:51:05] <rozie> lighttpd is the only server with no http/2 support (and no plans for it)
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4392 [21:51:36] <H4ndy> yeah their development slowed to a crawl
4393 [21:51:48] <H4ndy> I was hyped for 1.5.0 years ago
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4399 [21:54:02] <rozie> one day I will migrate
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4401 [21:54:12] <rozie> but so far, it works ;)
4402 [21:54:23] <unborn> H4ndy: yeah apache 2.4 seems to me much lighter as well
4403 [21:54:32] <jhutchins> I don't think apache and nginx are targeted at the same kind of use.
4404 [21:55:20] <H4ndy> well for standard "lamp" usage they are pretty much the same on your average linux box
4405 [21:56:05] <mayhew> jhutchins: I'd agree, nginx seems to be perfect for people who just want a reverse proxy, static file server, and high performance, whereas with Apache people want to write modules that live directly in the process
4406 [21:56:08] <H4ndy> I like the simplicity of nginx, it's more static in its configuration. Apache is more flexible, especially with multiuser usage
4407 [21:57:02] <mayhew> there are nginx modules, but the community doesn't seem to use them as much
4408 [21:57:11] <mayhew> and only Lua is embedded I believe
4409 [21:57:22] <mayhew> whereas pretty much anything can be embedded in Apache
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4425 [22:01:56] <[Kernel_Panic]> Hello
4426 [22:02:40] <unborn> proxying site is possible with apache too.. not big deal.. I think its personal preference ;)
4427 [22:02:50] <unborn> *sites
4428 [22:04:08] <mayhew> unborn: if that's all you wanted to do though, I'd prefer nginx. Apache's a pretty big hammer for such a small nail.
4429 [22:04:46] <davidkart> well basically I would have come with web.py for a small, simple webserver.
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4431 [22:05:40] <unborn> mayhew: ah no no, was just joining discussion here..
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4433 [22:06:17] <davidkart> if simplicity was the point
4434 [22:07:04] <unborn> for serving some static stuff you dont even need both of them.. just python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8080 and you good to go
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4444 [22:10:46] <jhutchins> [Kernel_Panic]: Feel free to just jump in if you have a question.
4445 [22:11:48] <mayhew> Python HTTP servers tend to be pretty awful if you care about perfomance though, and a lot of them are intended to be behind a proxy due to DoS
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4474 [22:25:10] <jhutchins> NCSA HTTPD.
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4488 [22:31:09] <jhutchins> mayhew: Some numbers to consider: replaced-url
4489 [22:32:29] <jhutchins> Tengine looks interesting: replaced-url
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4495 [22:36:01] <mayhew> jhutchins: interesting numbers, but I think nginx is a bit more popular amonst the top sites
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4497 [22:37:15] * simonlnu does nginx
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4517 [22:45:36] <awal1> I installed mate and all fine but now when I login in xfce session the notification theme used is the mate one, ugly yellow+blue decor :(. I went to xfce settings and choosed default theme for notification but mate theme still persistent even after logout/login. Also I get same mate notification theme in all WM's I run. How to solve that "issue" ?
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4522 [22:48:16] <simonlnu> because the mate notification daemon is running, not the xfce one.
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4536 [22:55:58] <jhutchins> mayhew: Not according to that.
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4539 [22:56:11] <jhutchins> mayhew: That's been considered the definitive survey for years.
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4545 [22:57:57] <[sr]> hi
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4548 [22:58:03] <[sr]> i know this ia a bit offtopic maybe
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4550 [22:58:21] <[sr]> but does anyone knows what makes wireless hotsports popup the browser after the wireless network selection
4551 [22:58:31] <[sr]> with a specific webpage to sign in?
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4553 [22:58:36] <[sr]> is this a DHCP option?
4554 [22:58:42] <simonlnu> no
4555 [22:59:02] <[sr]> simonlnu: any idea what is it?
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4557 [22:59:18] <jhutchins> [sr]: It's a whole software layer that handles multiple components.
4558 [22:59:37] <simonlnu> exactly
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4561 [23:00:16] <[sr]> jhutchins: but where, in the clients devices? (phones/tablets/etc)
4562 [23:00:19] <[sr]> or the hotspot?
4563 [23:00:20] <jhutchins> !hostapd
4564 [23:00:21] <dpkg> hostapd is a user-space IEEE 802.11 access point (AP) and IEEE 802.11X/WPA/WPA2/EAP authenticator. Any mac80211 driver providing AP functionality is supported by hostapd's nl80211 (netlink) driver. See /usr/share/doc/hostapd/README.Debian for program invocation and driver version/firmware notes. See also replaced-url
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4566 [23:01:03] <jhutchins> [sr]: It runs on the AP/Router/Gateway.
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4569 [23:01:58] <[sr]> jhutchins: hostapd does it then, i see
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4572 [23:02:06] <[sr]> when i connect to the wifi network
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4574 [23:02:27] <[sr]> hostapd is the responsible to make the mobile device open the webbrowser automatic
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4576 [23:02:32] <jhutchins> [sr]: It's a popular option.
4577 [23:02:54] <awal1> somonlinux, well, I looked at htop & tp and mate-notification daemon is not running. The only mate stuff running is mate-screensaver --no-daemon
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4579 [23:04:05] <[sr]> jhutchins: well i can do everything from squid redirect and login page to iptables deny and accept's via IP or MAC, but that option never found nothing about it :)
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4584 [23:04:31] <awal1> simonlnu, well, I looked at htop & tp and mate-notification daemon is not running. The only mate stuff running is mate-screensaver --no-daemon
4585 [23:04:42] <awal1> & top
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4588 [23:05:56] * awal1 Was very fine with xfce, dont know why he installed mate...
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4591 [23:06:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> because you have masochistic traits?
4592 [23:06:31] <awal1> :P
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4594 [23:07:42] <GooseYArd> man i can't keep track of all these desktop things
4595 [23:08:25] <jhutchins> [sr]: A few years ago there was a live CD that was popular and incorporated a centralized subscription service, ad revenue, and some other features.
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4597 [23:08:44] <awal1> enabling a few system monitor plugins in mate panel mate starts whitout panels :D
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4599 [23:09:19] <[sr]> jhutchins: i see, but i want to do my own hotspot server, combine features that exists in one trademark and other, but none satisfies me
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4602 [23:09:54] <awal1> I thought that mate, being a fork of the well mature andstable gnome2 will be rock solid, but now, xfce is more stable
4603 [23:10:18] <[sr]> jhutchins: im reading the docs and dont see how it does the popup on the mobile device, dont see any info about it
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4606 [23:11:30] <cavaughan> I think you can do a hotspot with customization on a Mikrotik
4607 [23:11:31] <cavaughan> replaced-url
4608 [23:11:51] <jhutchins> [sr]: I have no specific knowledge of that feature, but there's a lot on google.
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4613 [23:15:27] <[sr]> jhutchins: havent found... been trying to find it for about 6 months :(
4614 [23:15:56] <blawiz> anyone know how to bind keys for the y-menu in mutt? (#mutt is dead)
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4630 [23:22:45] <bmomjian> I reported a problem 24 hours ago that my wifi laptops occasionally could not ping my cable modem, even though they could ping my Debian server, and my Debian server could ping my cable modem, and they are all on the same subnet and plugged into the same switch. While rebooting everything did not help, It seems unplugging and replugging all my network cables into the switch has fix it. Some of these devices had been plugged into the switch for years. Is
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4635 [23:24:25] <dondelelcaro> bmomjian: the rest of your question got chopped off
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4641 [23:25:16] <jhutchins> bmomjian: Contacts oxidize. It's a good idea to re-seat connectors once in a while. It's one of the troubleshooting steps for a PC as well, unplug everything and plug it back in (one at a time).
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4643 [23:25:26] <bjornar_> How do I rerun the debian-installer steps from scratch after redownloading preseed ?
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4647 [23:27:06] <[sr]> jhutchins: walled garden?
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4652 [23:29:55] <bmomjian> uh, chopped off?
4653 [23:30:00] <bmomjian> I typed too much, hmm
4654 [23:30:32] <bmomjian> Here is the full text: replaced-url
4655 [23:30:48] <bmomjian> wow, good to know, and something I never considered
4656 [23:31:07] <bmomjian> It is odd I never saw errors on any of the interfaces, and I checked during the failures.
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4659 [23:31:41] <jhutchins> bmomjian: pastebin.com is not accesible here (and many other places). paste.debian.net
4660 [23:31:45] <dondelelcaro> bmomjian: it would have been interesting to see what happened if you unplugged the switch too
4661 [23:32:07] <dondelelcaro> (it's possible that the switch's bridge table got screwed up)
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4663 [23:33:00] <bmomjian> My message: replaced-url
4664 [23:33:11] <bmomjian> I did reboot the switch, but that did not fix it
4665 [23:33:30] <bmomjian> yes, very odd
4666 [23:34:11] <bmomjian> I remember because I rebooted Debian, the switch, and the cable modem at the same time, and it did not fix it.
4667 [23:34:28] <bmomjian> only later did I unplug and replug, after it seems logical it had to be something about the switch
4668 [23:35:03] <bmomjian> I do have dual ethernet on the Debian server, after the DNS and arp lookups worked to the cable modem, the Debian system wasn't even involved in the ping anymore.
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4671 [23:35:52] <bmomjian> It has gotten warm here lately as we are entering summer, but these cables have been in for years.
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4675 [23:37:41] <bmomjian> My family is of course happy, and testing that used to fail is no longer failing.
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4797 [23:56:39] <Battaglin> is there no .torrent on mirror with all debian isos in?
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4800 [23:57:00] <Battaglin> I mean on each arch.. e.g. AMD64 etc
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4814 [23:58:58] <dvs> Battaglin, why do you want all the ISOs?
4815 [23:59:53] <Battaglin> dvs: I dont.. just to seed
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