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2[00:00:44] <mutante> jordila_: you have jessie/updates but not sometihng like:
3[00:01:06] <mutante> deb replaced-url
4[00:01:24] <mutante> where it says just jessie vs. jessie/updates
5[00:01:44] <jordila_> ah
6[00:01:52] <jordila_> stupid of me :-P
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12[00:03:09] <jordila_> done :-)
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37[00:15:22] <mayhew> I chose a generic kernel when I installed Debian. Are there any practical advantages to switching to a targeted kernel?
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47[00:18:52] <Dark_> oin
48[00:18:59] <Dark_> alguem ?
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50[00:19:21] <Dark_> ALGUEM ASHUAHUSHUA
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104[00:36:07] <zaltekk> how do i determine if i am running the latest kernel? i see the latest dsa for linux, but it doesn't seem that straight forward. i see 3.16.0-4-amd64 from uname -r matches apt-cache show linux-image-amd64, but it seems that i'm not getting the full story
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109[00:38:32] <zaltekk> in the dsa i see 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u2 for linux, but i can't use apt-cache show on that package name. i see that i have that string minus the +deb8u2 in uname -a
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187[01:12:03] <choro> do you think (in windows) using the built in OS utilities to burn the debian netinst iso to a CD is sufficient enough to make an install CD?
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189[01:12:46] <TomTomTosch> !win32diskimager
190[01:12:47] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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192[01:13:33] <TomTomTosch> this is the recommended way. can't tell about the utils built into windows.
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195[01:14:39] <mtn> choro: if you are making a cd, any decent cd burner should work, as long as it is burned so to make a bootable disk, not just a data disk
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275[02:02:02] <roger`> lastlog afina
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292[02:13:06] <Lionyx> Hello guys... i just installed python-pygame, but it seems to be a python 2 package. How do I install it for python3?
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300[02:19:49] <somiaj> Lionyx: if there isn't a python3 package for it, you may have to create your own. I don't see one.
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307[02:22:20] <irinix> so stupid question about bash, trying to assign the value of main to $projectName/src/main.cpp but it's saying ambiguous redirect later in the script, replaced-url
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309[02:22:27] <irinix> any pointers?
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319[02:30:21] <bumblefuzz> how do I write a shell script that prompts for an admin username and password before running?
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324[02:31:47] <irinix> bumblefuzz why...why would you?
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326[02:32:39] <bumblefuzz> because the script runs some commands that can only be run as admin
327[02:32:53] <irinix> bumblefuzz then have the user sudo ./script
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329[02:34:04] <irinix> or su ./script
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336[02:38:47] <irinix> or even have the script itself sudo a command
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347[02:45:22] <rgwu> irinix: ${projectName}/other/path/parts should solve your problems
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350[02:45:42] <rgwu> irinix: you should write cpp code generators in python though
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358[02:50:26] <socomm> irinix: There's a #bash channel for just this kind of questions, amigou.
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360[02:51:23] <socomm> irinix: Also, make sure you put double quotes around your variables.
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362[02:52:04] <socomm> replaced-url
363[02:52:30] <socomm> replaced-url
364[02:53:03] <socomm> I think s/he left.
365[02:54:39] <irinix> she is still here
366[02:54:46] <irinix> she's just bashing away at this script
367[02:54:48] <irinix> hehe
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375[03:00:35] <ToHellWithGA> jelly: closing that port and using fail2ban solved the issue with huge logs
376[03:00:49] <ToHellWithGA> now i just need to grok ssh tunneled vnc
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378[03:01:10] <ToHellWithGA> my android vnc client does not appear to support it, so i'll need to find another
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380[03:01:16] <irinix> well crap
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384[03:02:37] <irinix> replaced-url
385[03:02:56] <irinix> now I'm having problems with the if $yesNo=="Y" segment
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415[03:21:37] <irinix> So why the double quotes?
416[03:21:47] <socomm> irinix: Read the links I gave you.
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418[03:23:26] <socomm> Also you can just do 'mkdir -p "${projectname}"/{src,bin,include,build}'.
419[03:23:43] <socomm> One fell swoop.
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421[03:27:56] <irinix> replaced-url
422[03:28:01] <irinix> socomm no way!
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427[03:29:18] <socomm> irinix: What if projectname is empty?
428[03:29:56] <socomm> Or something silly like / or '/ '.
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431[03:30:49] <irinix> socomm well, I guess I'll have to validate input
432[03:30:51] <irinix> =(
433[03:31:48] <socomm> replaced-url
434[03:31:56] <socomm> Good idea. Lest you end up like these folks ^
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471[04:10:05] <DeaDSouL> if I create a RAID, and later on I wanted to change the Distro.. what will/could happen to my RAID ?
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510[04:33:20] <choro> i asked this earlier but i had to go and didn't see the answer so, i'll ask again: do you think (in windows) using the built in OS utilities to burn the debian netinst iso to a CD is sufficient enough to make an install CD?
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516[04:36:44] <mayhew> choro: yeah, Windows 8+ includes it built in right? Should be fine I think.
517[04:37:21] <choro> mayhew: wonderful, thanks! i'm about to reinstall windows + debian and i'm super paranoid about everything ;p i've backed everything up to my external drive, but it's still super frightening
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532[04:47:21] <Grug_> wassup
533[04:48:28] <Grug_> anybody awake?
534[04:48:29] <Grug_> :)
535[04:48:31] <mayhew> Grug_: hi
536[04:48:35] <Grug_> hey
537[04:48:56] <Grug_> just testing out the Linux on Windows subsystem. Can't believe it works this well.
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540[04:50:39] <mayhew> Grug_: hah, nice :)
541[04:51:10] <mayhew> That's the value of open source software. It doesn't attempt to lock you into a platform.
542[04:51:32] <Grug_> yeah, it's weird to be using bash on Windows... and being able to apt-get stuff. :D
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544[04:52:24] <irinix> Grug_ wait, what?
545[04:52:32] <irinix> they actually got that to market?
546[04:53:09] <Grug_> You need Windows 10, and select insider builds in the settings.
547[04:53:15] <Grug_> then you can install "Linux subsystem"
548[04:53:21] <Grug_> and it works very nicely.
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550[04:53:27] <Grug_> so far that is
551[04:53:34] <Grug_> I'm using irssi on windows
552[04:53:36] <Grug_> :)
553[04:54:25] <Grug_> it's very cool, because I'm using Debian and the Linux subsystem on WIndows is essentially ubuntu
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555[04:54:35] <Grug_> so I already know how to use it
556[04:55:05] <Grug_> so now you can dev on both Windows and linux at the same time
557[04:55:06] <Grug_> heh
558[04:55:33] <marcidy> Hi, I'm having some kind of module version mismatch when building an initramfs from a ckt kernel. The issue is that my box is fine, but the initramfs reports the ckt version ID, but the modules use the (normal? previous?) id. replaced-url
559[04:55:41] <dvs> blasphemy!
560[04:55:49] <Grug_> yeah! lol
561[04:56:03] <Grug_> strange times
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565[04:57:11] <Grug_> this is going to sound weird, but I think Windows 10 is running Linux faster than Linux was... I need to run some benchmarks...
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567[04:57:44] <Grug_> is there any good apt-get command line benchmarks?
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571[04:58:20] <choro> Grug_: that's so cool omg, didn't know package managers would work
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573[04:59:09] <Grug_> yeah... lynx works, irssi works, gcc works, apt-get install, etc.
574[04:59:22] <Grug_> it literally runs linux binaries
575[04:59:32] <mayhew> Grug_: I highly doubt Windows is running Linux faster, it needs to do more work translating syscalls etc
576[04:59:40] <Grug_> yeah I doubt it too
577[04:59:42] <mayhew> running Linux binaries*
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579[05:00:05] <Grug_> but... from the blog, they say they aren't translating to Win32... they are intercepting and going straight to the NT kernel...
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581[05:00:22] <Grug_> so who knows lol... maybe Linux on Windows is faster than Windows :D
582[05:00:37] <Grug_> need to find some benchmarks...
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584[05:00:45] <Grug_> that I can apt-get and run
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588[05:04:51] <Grug_> think I'm going to create a small fibonnaci benchmark and run on win vs. linux on win
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605[05:17:24] <Grug_> wow amazing
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607[05:17:55] <Grug_> linux on windows was 75% the speed of windows itself. Not bad for a translation layer.
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609[05:18:27] <Grug_> seriously cool stuff.
610[05:18:40] <kcirick> I've just noticed that my /sys/class/power_supply directory is empty... is this a problem? I don't have a battery (not a laptop), but I would've thought there would be a AC directory
611[05:19:51] <Grug_> are the ac, battery, usb directories in there? That's what I see.
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613[05:20:00] <Grug_> for power_supply
614[05:20:17] <kcirick> Grug_: under /sys/class ?
615[05:20:27] <mayhew> kcirick: I have nothing there either. I wouldn't worry :)
616[05:20:45] <Grug_> yeah
617[05:20:56] <Grug_> i'm running ubuntu i think
618[05:20:57] <Grug_> :)
619[05:21:10] <kcirick> Grug_: none of that under /sys/class
620[05:21:25] <Grug_> hmmm... not sure. what distro you running?
621[05:21:26] <kcirick> mayhew: Hmm.. okay...
622[05:21:34] <kcirick> debian jessie
623[05:21:40] <Grug_> oh my fav
624[05:22:15] <kcirick> I wanted to get the power usage from there,
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627[05:23:05] <kcirick> Is there another way to get a power usage?
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711[06:08:19] <peterrooney> I wish to change the chrome colors on iceweasel/firefox (pure white is a UI disaster) - sadly, a software giant has polluted the search results by naming a popular browser "chrome" - what else could I search for?
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905[08:15:43] <EugenA> can someone help setup network for usb wlan adapter acting as access point? Wlan adapter is already working and I can connect to it with mobile phone. Just need to setup dhcp and maybe routing
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971[08:44:05] <ChrisH> EugenA: For a quick and fast solution you can use dnsmasqd. For a stable way _I_ would recommend to use a full blown dhpcd, dns-server (bind, unbound, ...) routing should be the easiest part
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975[08:44:54] <EugenA> i would like to use bridge, I can create it, but i'm not sure about configuration
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977[08:45:10] <EugenA> first idea was to create bridge like this: replaced-url
978[08:45:24] <EugenA> is this ok? my local network is 192.168.100.221 / 255.255.255.0
979[08:45:32] <ChrisH> What did you use for the AP Part?
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982[08:46:10] <EugenA> hostapd. It is working, I can connect to access point with my mobile phone
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988[08:49:54] <ChrisH> EugenA: I used bridges twice (during a RedHat Training and Exam). From my memory hostapd should do the rest and no bridging is needed at all. But you need to wait for someelse beeing more familiar. I am not sure if a bridge interface is needed here
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993[08:50:51] <EugenA> ChrisH: it looks like there is two ways: bridge or nat. I would like to configure bridge
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998[08:56:13] <ChrisH> bridging is better, but is there a bridge intertface needed or can hostapd do that for you? I do not know, so lets wait
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1097[09:39:48] <brimonk> Hey, quick question. Why is gdb-doc marked as a non-free package? replaced-url
1098[09:40:09] <brimonk> I just want to do a 'man gdb' and I can't.
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1104[09:42:49] <jelly> !gfdl
1105[09:42:49] <dpkg> [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at replaced-url
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1107[09:42:55] <jelly> ^^ brimonk
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1109[09:43:24] <jelly> !non-free sources
1110[09:43:24] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
1111[09:43:30] <jelly> to install it
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1114[09:44:37] <brimonk> jelly: I'm not really that upset about it, I'm just more confused as to why it IS non free. I'll have to do some reading.,
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1119[09:46:42] <brimonk> jelly: Thanks thought.
1120[09:46:44] <brimonk> *though
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1122[09:46:57] <Muvlon> hi
1123[09:47:00] <Muvlon> some of the links on replaced-url
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1126[09:48:57] <brimonk> jelly: I wonder how that makes Richard Stallman feel.
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1128[09:49:54] <Muvlon> these are replaced-url
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1130[09:50:47] <Muvlon> what's the policy regarding these?
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1133[09:51:22] <jelly> Muvlon: ideally, you'd file a bug against replaced-url
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1135[09:51:43] <Muvlon> alright, I'll do that
1136[09:51:44] <jelly> "replaced-url
1137[09:51:57] <Muvlon> maybe there's a report there already
1138[09:51:57] <jelly> thanks!
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1141[09:52:07] <jelly> that's quite possible yeah
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1196[10:19:09] <eset> Hey .... I'm configuring Debian through ILO and need ifenslave package. I mounted DVD-1 but no package was found. How can I retrieve this packacge ? Is it in specific ISO number ?
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1202[10:22:06] <Mava> what is like.. the fastest way to transfer a lot of small files from one server to another
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1205[10:22:45] <eset> Mava: scp/rsync
1206[10:22:48] <Mava> 1Gb network and both with SSD disks and 8 core CPU's. like the environment is valid.. but the nfs + cp or nfs+rsync is way too slowish
1207[10:22:55] <Mava> eset: can it be parallelized ?
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1209[10:23:28] <eset> replaced-url
1210[10:23:32] <Mava> i tried the parallel -j8 rsync and so on, but no luck =/
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1212[10:23:53] <Mava> like, command goes through, but nothing ever happens
1213[10:24:09] <Mava> so it seems i've got the right tool, just need to find out howto use it
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1224[10:28:08] <f4cl3y> Hey Guys, will Icedove be ended in favor of Thunderbird?
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1244[10:41:59] <jelly> f4cl3y: yes, it's going to be renamed back to thunderbird too
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1247[10:43:28] <Iridos> fun
1248[10:43:36] <jelly> f4cl3y: replaced-url
1249[10:43:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1251[10:43:55] <Muvlon> Mava: if security is not an issue (i.e. if you can sign the files and transmit the signature through a secure channel) then you could just use tar|nc
1252[10:44:04] <saunamees> Hmm, Should I setup gitlab on VM or physical machine ? I will be the only one to use it ?
1253[10:44:08] <f4cl3y> jelly: thanks :)
1254[10:44:27] <Mava> Muvlon: good point
1255[10:44:30] <Muvlon> kinda low-tech but at least there is not overhead other than TCP/IP
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1257[10:44:49] <Mava> this time no problem with the security, got a nice and secured network so to say =)
1258[10:45:12] <Mava> but though it seems the overhead either is not the problem, more like the seek time from disks. but the tar|nc might even help in that
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1260[10:45:42] <Mava> because it's just a raw file transfer which does not question whether worked or not
1261[10:46:35] <Iridos> nfs is slow as such... and nfs won't like a lot of small files, even with a big raid behind the nfs
1262[10:47:12] <xelo> Is anyone running Jessie on a Thinkpad T400? On my machine I receive strange errors,
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1264[10:48:20] <Iridos> are you going to share what the errors are or do we wait until someone else with a T400 turns up and tells us? :)
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1268[10:49:06] <choro> question: i made some partitions in windows, and i wanna install debian to one of them. how do i do that from the installer? i'm very inexperienced with partitioning
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1271[10:49:19] <xelo> Iridos: Sure, dmesg: "pciehp 0000:00:1c.4:pcie04: Card not present on Slot(4)" and "pciehp 0000:00:1c.4:pcie04: Card present on Slot(4)" as well as "Link Training Error occurs" and "Failed to check link status".
1272[10:49:20] <Mava> Iridos: would it be better to use native rsync push server then ?
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1274[10:49:45] <choro> ^ this is the partition i'd like to install to replaced-url
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1288[10:55:34] <ghormoon> hi, any better idea how to detect if you can connect to remote X than to repeatedly start xeyes (or something else) until it stops crashing? :)
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1312[11:03:08] <Iridos> Mava, tar -cv[zj ]f - | nc host 9000 <--> nc -l -p 9000 | tar -xf - would really be the fastest single-threaded way (and compression can make it faster or make it slower, depending on disk speed, cpu-speed and compression algorithm)
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1315[11:04:16] <Iridos> xelo, I would agree that the first two are weird (if connected to an actual error happening) the 2nd one could just be a loose or faulty ethernet cable?
1316[11:05:57] <xelo> unfortunately that's not related to ethernet, but the PCIe-Ports
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1461[11:09:25] <up2late> wow
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1470[11:09:57] <Iridos> calm down, debhelper... calm down...
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1482[11:10:22] <xelo> ;)
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1487[11:10:53] <Iridos> * debhelper has kicked Iridos from #debian (sneaky comments)
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1520[11:15:57] <choro> in the debian netinst, how would i go about installing debian to a pre-existing partition on a drive?
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1525[11:16:42] <jelly> choro: easily in the manual/assisted partitioning mode
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1534[11:18:27] <jelly> choro: any data on any previously existing filesystem on that partition will be lost
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1538[11:19:23] <choro> jelly: would something like this work? #5 is the partition i want to install to replaced-url
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1542[11:20:36] <angor> choro: replaced-url
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1546[11:21:05] <jelly> choro: yeah, you'd pick that and use it for / mount point
1547[11:21:14] <choro> angor: thanks, i'll look at this
1548[11:21:22] <choro> jelly: oh, great!
1549[11:21:28] <angor> choro: you\llhave to mount at least "/" (and I'm not sure about swap)
1550[11:21:29] <xelo> Iridos: the "Link Training Error" messages, also have a "pciehp 0000:00:1c.4:pcie04" prefix
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1554[11:22:07] <angor> choro: remove "format partition" flag
1555[11:22:17] <angor> if you want to save data
1556[11:22:32] <choro> angor: nah, i dont need to save anything on that partition; it's fresh
1557[11:22:35] <angor> but,,, this may be a bad idea for new system..
1558[11:22:39] <angor> kewl
1559[11:23:18] <choro> angor: does this look sufficient, or am i missing something? replaced-url
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1561[11:23:34] <jelly> I'm not sure why is 800GB unusable there. :-)
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1564[11:23:59] <choro> jelly: not sure either, that's been there ever since i installed windows 7 for the first time :~\
1565[11:24:24] <choro> i've never needed that space, though, so (irresponsibly) i ignored it
1566[11:24:30] <angor> choro: you have to install debian after all windows installations
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1568[11:24:55] <choro> angor: yup! windows is installed on partition #2; i created these partitions with windows
1569[11:25:05] <angor> otherwise you'll lose grub
1570[11:25:12] <angor> ok, good
1571[11:25:25] <choro> #2 - windows, #5 - desired debian, #6 - empty (shared partition)
1572[11:25:42] <angor> jelly: does swap necessary now?
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1574[11:26:00] <angor> I don't remember exactly about swap
1575[11:26:37] <yossarianuk> hi - when I installed Debian (8) I had no network so do not have a complete sources.list - is there a command to re-add apt sources after installation ?
1576[11:26:46] <angor> choro: how many RAM do you have?
1577[11:27:03] <choro> 8GB; swap is used for vram, right?
1578[11:27:23] <angor> swap is used for swap :)
1579[11:27:36] <choro> oh, well. that would make sense ;p
1580[11:27:45] <choro> is a swap partition necessary?
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1583[11:27:52] <angor> choro: replaced-url
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1586[11:28:55] <angor> choro: I'd suggest to split this partition into 2: / and swap
1587[11:29:04] <choro> oh, wait, i found something useful
1588[11:29:09] <angor> jelly: makes sense?
1589[11:29:34] <choro> i deleted the partition, then let the installer automatically create partitions in the free space
1590[11:29:37] <sumi> hello
1591[11:29:38] <choro> the result was this:
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1593[11:29:51] <choro> replaced-url
1594[11:30:05] <angor> choro: looks good for me
1595[11:30:12] <jelly> angor: in theory, not really, butI think some kernel algorithms for reclaiming and aggregating free memory rely on _some_ of it being present
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1597[11:30:29] <choro> angor: wonderful, i'll probably go ahead with this; i trust the installer
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1599[11:30:39] <angor> choro: yep, go ahead
1600[11:31:06] <jelly> choro: 16GB is too much, 2GB is enough unless you're going to use hibernation
1601[11:31:41] <jelly> the installer makes some REALLY outdated assumptions when it picks sizes
1602[11:32:05] <angor> KiB Swap: 7812092 total, 40004 used, 7772088 free.
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1604[11:32:18] <qmr> this question comes up too often. 1-2GB is plenty of space
1605[11:32:20] <angor> yes, that makes sense to decrease swap size
1606[11:32:29] <yossarianuk> i.e when you install debian you choose a network mirror - how can I re-run that command after istall ?
1607[11:32:32] <yossarianuk> *install*
1608[11:32:43] <angor> yossarianuk: add manually
1609[11:32:59] <yossarianuk> where do I find the info?
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1611[11:33:49] <jelly> yossarianuk: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
1612[11:34:21] <angor> e.g. echo "deb replaced-url
1613[11:35:00] <yossarianuk> cheers - I know to edit he source.list file - I mean where can I find the mirror URL's to add?
1614[11:35:10] <jelly> ah
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1616[11:35:13] <jelly> !mirrors
1617[11:35:13] <dpkg> Debian mirror sites are listed at replaced-url
1618[11:35:15] <choro> jelly: i do enjoy hibernation so i may keep these sizes
1619[11:35:26] <yossarianuk> thanks - I have just found this also
1620[11:35:27] <yossarianuk> replaced-url
1621[11:35:43] <jelly> yossarianuk: don't use that, the form is often broken
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1623[11:36:02] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
1624[11:36:02] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1625[11:36:10] <angor> yossarianuk: do not forget to add security mirror too
1626[11:36:14] <jelly> !wb Iridos
1627[11:36:14] <dpkg> O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Iridos has returned!
1628[11:36:26] <Iridos> ^^
1629[11:36:28] <yossarianuk> it would be good if the command used on the installer could be re-accessed....
1630[11:36:47] <Iridos> let there be cake
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1634[11:37:50] <yossarianuk> (as a suggestion for future imporvements)
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1641[11:45:03] <Iridos> what command
1642[11:45:12] <Iridos> it seems I was absent when that was mentioned
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1645[11:47:52] <Rico> helli
1646[11:47:54] <Rico> hello
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1649[11:48:21] <Rico> there's no nfdump-sflow packet for debian jessie, is there a reason to that ?
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1662[11:59:51] <Iridos> maybe bug #766493
1663[11:59:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1669[12:02:29] <Rico> mmh i don't think
1670[12:02:31] <Rico> so
1671[12:03:01] <Cueball> Hi everyone. I'm having a little trouble with udev rules. I have a file /etc/udev/rules.d/80-energenie.rules which at currently matching vendor and product id and setting it to mode 0666. However it seems to be ignored by udev. Anything I could be missing?
1672[12:03:05] <Cueball> ATTRS{idVendor}=="04b4", ATTRS{idProduct}=="fd13", MODE="0666"
1673[12:03:09] <Cueball> That is current contents. Tried with ATTR rather than ATTRS and also with UBSYSTEM=="usb" on there too.
1674[12:03:36] <Iridos> Rico, well, replaced-url
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1677[12:04:28] <Iridos> jessie was frozen 2014-11-05 and released 2015-04-25
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1679[12:05:33] <Iridos> and nfdump has only been in unstable in the time period between freeze and release, so it couldn't become stable
1680[12:06:47] <Iridos> it only came back to unstable at 2014-10-21 so something held it back from migrating to testing until the freeze... and during the freeze it wouldn't happen automatically anymore
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1682[12:07:42] <Iridos> but only ~2 weeks between the new package and the freeze... packages take about 2 weeks to migrate anyway, so maybe just bad timing
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1685[12:09:02] <Iridos> Cueball, don't you get errors in dmesg?
1686[12:09:52] <Cueball> Iridos: No.
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1691[12:15:02] <Cueball> Iridos: Bus 002 Device 015: ID 04b4:fd13 Cypress Semiconductor Corp.
1692[12:16:08] <Cueball> That's the device which works absolutly fine as root. Normal mask is set to 0664 which prevents a normal user writing to it.
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1707[12:27:48] <doublehp> has cpuburn package been removed ?
1708[12:27:59] <doublehp> !help
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1729[12:38:01] <jelly> doublehp: /msg judd versions cpuburn
1730[12:38:07] <Iridos> Cueball, the line looks fine to me... ATTR seems safer to use.
1731[12:38:36] <doublehp> i have strect h :'(
1732[12:38:53] <doublehp> I installed it on jessie, and imported the apk; dpkg worked fine
1733[12:39:08] <jelly> doublehp: also, /msg judd bug rm cpuburn
1734[12:39:25] <doublehp> i did
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1741[12:41:51] <jelly> then you have an answer
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1746[12:42:34] <doublehp> thanks bye
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1787[12:47:33] <Cueball> Iridos: So what do you think the problem is?
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1818[13:04:06] <MisterGadfly> Jesus Christ, phoronix-test-suite is incredibly buggy
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1822[13:05:08] <MisterGadfly> Trying to benchmark 2 PCs, one has Windows and this one and I'm trying to use phoronix's, but the Windows version is buggy as hell and won't work. Know of any cross platform CPU benchmark software?
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1848[13:21:15] <Iridos> Cueball, well... replaced-url
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1850[13:21:54] <Iridos> sounds a bit like it's not being run at all for some reason
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1873[13:35:40] <Cueball> Iridos: Yeah my thoughts exactly. It's like it's ignoring /etc/udev/rules.d/80-energenie.rules
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1875[13:36:19] <Cueball> But I know it's not because i've had an error in it which got picked up by udev.
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1883[13:39:28] <wh0ami> hi guys
1884[13:39:50] <wh0ami> tonight i get attacked with some connections, i tried: netstat -tn 2>/dev/null | awk '{print $5}' | cut -d: -f1 | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr | head -- and it returned: 1220 189.132.250.x
1885[13:40:09] <wh0ami> i banned this ip range and killed process and restarted again and all was ok, it was on the 3724 port with ESTABLISHED status
1886[13:40:16] <wh0ami> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3724 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -m recent --set; iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3724 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -m recent --update --seconds 15 --hitcount 20 -j DROP
1887[13:40:20] <bumbar_> how tricky is to restore shift deleted files?
1888[13:40:23] <wh0ami> should this rule be enough?
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1892[13:45:46] <babilen> bumbar_: shift deleted?
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1897[13:47:19] <Kiril> hello, guys
1898[13:47:21] <bumbar_> babilen, pressed shift + delete (in gnome gui), but was told it's high impossible or rather too much work
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1900[13:47:52] <Kiril> what packages do i need to resolve these issues: iptables v1.4.21: Couldn't load match `iplimit':No such file or directory , iptables v1.4.21: unknown option "--pkttype", iptables v1.4.21: Couldn't load match `iplimit':No such file or directory
1901[13:48:01] <babilen> bumbar_: Are they in the rubbish bin or does "shift + delete" delete them immediately?
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1905[13:48:52] <Iridos> delete probably puts them into the bin, shift-del deletes immediately?
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1907[13:49:02] <bumbar_> deletes them immediately
1908[13:49:08] <Iridos> if so, the next question would be what filesystem the files were on
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1910[13:49:51] <Iridos> in any case the files are gone whenever something is written to disk that overwrites them (except in your backups, of course)
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1916[13:52:27] <Iridos> supposing that was in your home directory... "df -h ~" tells you "Mounted on" (most likely "/home" or "/" ) and
1917[13:52:39] <Kiril> anyone>
1918[13:52:42] <bumbar_> ext2. i figured nodes are marked as clear, but contents aren't erased (unless of course overwritten, by chance)
1919[13:53:02] <Iridos> ext2? No journaling?
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1923[13:54:28] <Iridos> ext3/ext4 have pretty much the best chances for recovery of all file systems (except maybe fat), I think... dunno how much of that is true for ext2
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1927[13:54:43] <Iridos> there's extundelete and... testdisk
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1931[13:55:30] <Iridos> there's more general-purpose stuff like magicrescue, which just looks for the magic bytes on the begin of sectors and tries to guess from there on
1932[13:55:41] <Iridos> oh, and there's e2undel
1933[13:56:23] <Iridos> but I think it was this that worked for me last time: extundelete --output-dir /tmp/und/ --after 1362712213 --restore-all /dev/sdd1
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1935[13:57:09] <Iridos> the number after --after are seconds since 1970... you get them with something like this: date -d '1 day ago' +%s
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1966[14:11:07] <bumbar_> Iridos, thanks for your time and help, but i'll just fuck it up more trying to salvage. i'll take an old backup and apply changes while i still remember them
1967[14:11:08] <wh0ami> is that ok or do i miss something? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3724 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -m recent --set iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3724 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -m recent --update --seconds 15 --hitcount 20 -j DROP
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1998[14:25:11] <Cueball> Iridos: Sorted my problem. Added ACTION=="add" to the rule and it works fine.
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2010[14:30:33] <wh0ami> how can i know how much time iptables bans/drop an ip or packets?
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2013[14:31:17] <cra1g321> check config file
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2017[14:32:19] <Kiril> guys what is needed to resolve this issue with iptables --> iptables v1.4.21: Couldn't load match `iplimit':No such file or directory , iptables v1.4.21: unknown option "--pkttype", iptables v1.4.21: Couldn't load match `iplimit':No such file or directory
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2019[14:32:33] <Kiril> is there any additional packages i have to install or what?
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2033[14:41:23] <Iridos> are you executing random iptables lines you found somewhere on the internets?
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2037[14:41:55] <mfe> hi
2038[14:41:59] <mfe> i cant install man-db
2039[14:42:00] <mfe> replaced-url
2040[14:42:07] <saunamees> I don't understand, when configuring bridge, it suggests to use <username>. Does it mean only on user on host will have internet or something ? replaced-url
2041[14:42:07] <mfe> should i create a user man?
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2046[14:43:27] <Iridos> mfe, sarge? This is on sarge??
2047[14:43:31] <mfe> y
2048[14:43:41] <mfe> I get chown: `man:root': invalid user
2049[14:43:54] <sypher> ... sarge.
2050[14:44:06] <Iridos> archeology is all good and well... but...
2051[14:44:06] <mfe> I guess I have to create a user named man, right?
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2054[14:44:19] <Iridos> seems so
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2056[14:44:29] <mfe> without home directory right?
2057[14:44:30] <Iridos> although... even on sarge that user should already exist?
2058[14:44:33] <sypher> saunamees: No, that indicates which user 'owns' the bridge device.
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2060[14:45:04] <Iridos> now let's fix some problems on Bo
2061[14:45:07] <jubo2> y0 copyleft piipöl
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2063[14:45:23] <jubo2> I need to crontab something that needs to run with su rights
2064[14:45:30] <jubo2> How do I go about this intelligently?
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2067[14:46:10] <Iridos> jubo2, su - <type password>... crontab -e ... i ... enter stuff
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2069[14:47:12] <Iridos> yeah, I know... canny
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2072[14:48:45] <mfe> hi
2073[14:48:59] <jubo2> Iridos: Okays
2074[14:49:04] <jubo2> I 'sudo su'
2075[14:49:20] <mfe> now i get replaced-url
2076[14:49:26] <mfe> anybody knows how to fix this?
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2082[14:50:45] <saunamees> well I do everything according to the qemu doc, but no connection :( eth0 on VM has no ip from dhcp
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2088[14:53:17] <mfe> apt-get install less --reinstall fixed it
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2095[14:55:41] <bugnuts> music player, with playlist, that supports m4a?
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2097[14:56:22] <bugnuts> i have the codecs
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2106[14:58:57] <grosjean> o/ all
2107[14:59:22] <grosjean> anyone experiencing issue with debian jessie , gre tunnel and strongswan ipsec ?
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2110[15:00:12] <grosjean> the table 220 is not updated until i had the local ip of the gre tunnel into the loopback
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2115[15:02:31] <hiya> curve25519-sha256@libssh.org - does debian 7 have support for this Kex in SSH?
2116[15:02:36] <hiya> anyone with 7 here?
2117[15:02:50] <hiya> ssh -Q kex
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2124[15:04:45] <tortal> i use putty to ssh into a debian guest on virtualbox. I also use vcXsrv (it's like xming) for x11 forwawrding. is there some way to come around copying .Xauthority file everytime i want to forward a window when switching user ? I need to copy .Xauthority into e.g. the root home directory after switching to root - otherwise the auth will fail
2125[15:05:17] <saunamees> When I configure a bridge, I seem to lose connection to outside world, resolv.conf looks identical, I can ping router tho
2126[15:05:22] <saunamees> ideas ?
2127[15:05:43] <bugnuts> hiya, i belive it does
2128[15:05:53] <bugnuts> err hang on
2129[15:06:01] <bugnuts> not sure about the sha
2130[15:06:11] <bugnuts> let me check my config
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2133[15:08:28] <bugnuts> hiya, im not sure its supported, even the most verbose debugging does not show the kex, but its my first priority for ssh KexAlgorithim and it dosnt thow an error
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2136[15:09:05] <hiya> ssh -Q kex
2137[15:09:09] <hiya> ssh -Q cipher
2138[15:09:16] <hiya> 7 users give me out put plz
2139[15:09:41] <hiya> bugnuts, are you on 7?
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2151[15:11:52] <bugnuts> hiya, 7?
2152[15:11:58] <bugnuts> not sure what that is
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2154[15:12:07] <bugnuts> but sure i know you from other channels :P
2155[15:12:22] <bugnuts> btw you might be intrested in this....
2156[15:12:25] <bugnuts> replaced-url
2157[15:12:39] <bugnuts> thats a really deep and detailed look at hardnening ssh
2158[15:13:09] <hiya> bugnuts, 7 is Debian Wheezy
2159[15:13:21] <hiya> if you are on it, please give me output of those two commands plz
2160[15:13:27] <bugnuts> oh ok, yes, my bad, will do
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2177[15:15:55] <bugnuts> just setting up the vm;
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2189[15:24:51] <bugnuts> hiya, replaced-url
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2204[15:30:40] <bugnuts> plz let me know if you can harden that ssh config further
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2206[15:32:22] <abrotman> !harden
2207[15:32:22] <dpkg> To secure and harden a Debian GNU/Linux system, ask me about <securing debian> and <security>. See also <security backports>, <tracker of doom>, <d:sbd>, <grsecurity>, <exec shield>.
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2223[15:38:09] <hiya> bugnuts, wow that is really good :D thanks
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2228[15:39:47] <bugnuts> abrotman, ty :)
2229[15:39:55] <bugnuts> !tracker of doom
2230[15:39:55] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
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2232[15:40:26] <bugnuts> !d:sbd
2233[15:41:17] <bugnuts> !exec shield
2234[15:41:17] <dpkg> Exec Shield is a patch set for the Linux kernel on i386 (not relevant for x86_64, Debian bug #516488) to protect against stack smashing attacks and other exploits. Packaged for Debian as linux-patch-exec-shield in squeeze, see /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-exec-shield/README.Debian for more information. See also <kernel-package>. replaced-url
2235[15:41:19] <uni_tosch> bugnuts /msg dpkg <factoid>
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2247[15:42:26] <bugnuts> kk sry
2248[15:42:39] <tortal> strange empty files, with strange names, keep popping up seemingly randomly> -rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp Jun 30 14:38 ?0?@@X?@8?@!???@@@@@?????????@?@?????@@????
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2251[15:43:09] <tortal> ll
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2255[15:43:34] <greycat> That could be file system corruption, or someone attempting to do something naughty.
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2257[15:43:47] <greycat> The sane timestamp points more toward naughty than corruption.
2258[15:44:02] <bugnuts> debsums -s
2259[15:44:03] <bugnuts> ?
2260[15:44:21] <greycat> Who is "usr" and what is "grp" and where is the file located?
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2264[15:46:03] <tortal> i changed it.. it is my username.. here is the unfiltered output for ls -laF:
2265[15:46:04] <tortal> -rw-r--r-- 1 tortal tortal 0 Jun 30 14:38 ?0?@@X?@8?@!???@@@@@?????????@?@?????@@????
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2267[15:46:42] <tortal> but this is a local VM. so it doesnt make sense
2268[15:46:46] <greycat> So *you* created it? Then you either have a buggy program, or an unruly creature has been stepping on your keyboard, or ... as a very remote possibilty, some kind of minor file system corruption.
2269[15:47:12] <greycat> Or something wrong with your "VM".
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2271[15:48:07] <tortal> a debian guest that i run with virtualbox on a windows host.
2272[15:48:21] <greycat> Windows is involved. Oh boy.
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2276[15:49:03] <tortal> these are corporate issue. cant change
2277[15:49:23] <greycat> *Corporate* windows! The best windows of all windows!
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2279[15:49:59] <bugnuts> tortal, nice 19 debsums -s
2280[15:50:04] <greycat> If you fsck the file system and it comes out clean, then you have to consider the other possibilities besides file system corruption. Like VM corruption. Or a bug. Or your cat has taken over your account.
2281[15:50:08] <bugnuts> will scan for package corruption
2282[15:50:15] <tortal> other day when i logged in to the intranet from home - suddenly my background picture for the login screen changed.. like on the fly
2283[15:50:25] <tortal> scary stuff
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2286[15:51:07] <jhutchins> tortal: Very strange. I have never "logged in to the internet".
2287[15:51:14] <greycat> intranet, not internet
2288[15:51:28] <greycat> And I don't know what a "login screen" is, or why it would have a picture.
2289[15:52:01] <greycat> I'm betting it has something to do with windows.
2290[15:52:22] <tortal> replaced-url
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2292[15:52:38] <tortal> generally, you need to login to the intranet
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2294[15:53:11] <tortal> login screen is the GUI that asks for you username and password
2295[15:53:15] <greycat> You are mashing up words like a windows user.
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2298[15:53:52] <tortal> and GUIs have bitmaps. otherwise they wouldnt be a GUI
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2301[15:54:29] <greycat> Usually a VPS login involves typing a password, and that's it. And the only times I've done it, I used a command in a shell in a terminal, not a GUI.
2302[15:54:36] <jhutchins> tortal: That is totally under the control of whoever is responsible for your intranet. They can make it anything they want.
2303[15:54:55] <greycat> Err, I meant VPN.
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2306[15:55:09] <tortal> jhutchins: yes... im just saying.
2307[15:55:13] <bugnuts> intranet logins are usually just dns redirects to a login portal
2308[15:55:21] <bugnuts> via browser
2309[15:55:35] <greycat> It's totally unclear whether he is talking about a VPN, or an HTTP proxy, or something else.
2310[15:55:46] <greycat> But he's a windows user. So nothing he says is EVER going to be clear.
2311[15:55:55] <ioudas> pfft
2312[15:56:02] <tortal> pointless..
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2359[16:10:57] <bugnuts> hiya, btw i forgot, ssh works by gracefull fallback, if the negotiation fails it it selects the next one on the list, so strongest first
2360[16:11:45] <tinyhippo> I have a working configuration file for exim4 on CentOS, however exim4 on debian wants to generate a config randomly and place it in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated - how can I just tell it to use a specific config file?
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2395[16:25:30] <dob1> hi, using rsync as mirror utility, can rsync detect moved files, instead of deleting and re-transfer them?
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2397[16:26:20] <greycat> Not that I'm aware of. You could ask #rsync.
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2400[16:26:42] <dob1> greycat, i try, thanks
2401[16:27:30] <saunamees> My VM does not take ip from tap interface ... Initial conf was done with with default (10.0.2.15)
2402[16:27:48] <saunamees> after boot it is just without ip
2403[16:28:18] <saunamees> bridge is up, tap is up
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2407[16:29:32] <saunamees> I launch with "qemu-system-x86_64 --enable-kvm -hda kvm_server_box.qcow -m 2G -net nic -net tap,ifname=tap0,script=no,downscript=no"
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2419[16:35:31] <MisterGadfly> Out of curiosity, does Ubuntu have "spyware" embedded in its packages except for the Amazon/Unity bullshit?
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2424[16:36:11] <yossarianuk> MisterGadfly: no - the 'spyware' was unity's online search
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2427[16:36:36] <yossarianuk> i.e Kubuntu,Linux mint ,etc do not have the issue
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2430[16:36:47] <yossarianuk> and I think since 16.04 its not disabled by default
2431[16:36:54] <yossarianuk> sorry *now*
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2433[16:37:09] <yossarianuk> i.e *now* disabled by default
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2437[16:38:21] <MisterGadfly> yossarianuk: thanks
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2439[16:38:50] <MisterGadfly> Debian will remain my main distribution, but going to install Ubuntu on my other PC
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2443[16:39:56] <yossarianuk> Well Ubuntu is based on Debian.
2444[16:40:15] <yossarianuk> I love Debian, but not Debian stable as a desktop
2445[16:40:27] <yossarianuk> NeptuneOS is pretty nice though
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2447[16:40:34] <jmcnaught> Ubuntu also has its own channel, which is a better place to ask Ubuntu questions :)
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2449[16:40:58] <Stummi> debian testing/sid is nice on the desktop
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2458[16:45:14] <MisterGadfly> I have had no problems with sid
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2460[16:45:27] <greycat> Yet.
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2505[16:58:42] <Ziosa> Hi, How can I resolve this issue with SSH, which persists even after removing the .ssh/known_hosts file? replaced-url
2506[16:59:17] <greycat> Type "yes" instead of "no".
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2518[17:03:22] <nux> i am having an issue with systemctl and openvpn
2519[17:03:38] <nux> systemctl status openvpn shows it's running
2520[17:03:41] <kanyeezy> is there any way to raise the character limit on file names on jessie?
2521[17:03:52] <nux> but there are two vpn configs, or servers, running. one of them is not running
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2572[17:28:47] <greycat> bug #782719
2573[17:28:48] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2575[17:29:20] <greycat> What the hell does "lvmetad is now enabled by default." mean? Do we just ignore these warnings?
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2582[17:31:18] <ashka> hi, is it possible to use the gateway in a post-up in a inet dhcp connection in /etc/network/interfaces ? basically inet dhcp post-up route add -net 1.2.3.4/1 gw <current gateway>
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2585[17:32:41] <Ziosa> Hi, how can I resolve this issue with SSH, which persists even after removing the .ssh/known_hosts file? New output, after typing "yes": replaced-url
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2592[17:34:35] <ashka> Ziosa: the remote server needs to have your public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys as it won't allow password authentication
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2596[17:37:04] <Ziosa> ashka: My remote server is a live system running debian 8.5. It does not have a ~/.ssh folder. How can I generate this?
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2598[17:37:19] <greycat> mkdir ~/.ssh
2599[17:37:23] <jhutchins> ashka: Is the dhcp server not supplying the correct gateway?
2600[17:37:28] <ashka> Ziosa: as the user, mkdir .ssh, edit .ssh/authorized_keys and add your key in it
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2603[17:38:22] <ashka> jhutchins: that's not the issue, it's a secondary interface and I have to route a subnet that's outside of the netmask of this interface, but the gateway IP is provided by dhcp
2604[17:38:37] <Ziosa> ashka: Previously, I would never have to carry this out. It would be setup automatically. I have not manually created any public key. Why is this nolonger the case?
2605[17:38:58] <Ziosa> Upon, using the ssh [host] command.
2606[17:39:06] <ashka> Ziosa: I'm not sure, the default openssh-server configuration allows password authentication
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2608[17:39:30] <jhutchins> Connecting to the host and accepting it's key should create .ssh and .ssh/known_hosts
2609[17:39:55] <greycat> On the client.
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2612[17:40:10] <Ziosa> That is created on my local machine, however the connection fails, as shown in my pastebin link above.
2613[17:40:25] <greycat> I gather he's trying to set up authorized_keys on a server, except that his "server" is running a fucking transient Live CD thing that wipes itself every boot.
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2615[17:40:48] <greycat> So you'll just have to re-create the authorized_keys file every time you boot.
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2621[17:42:00] * greycat assumes bug #782719 is harmless, and ignores the 13 instances of "WARNING: ..." that he got when he apt-get upgraded
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2632[17:44:40] <Ziosa> I am simply trying to send a file to the live system with scp. However, the connection fails. Then, I tried to ssh into it, using a password, which also fails, as shown in my pastebin.
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2639[17:45:47] <Ziosa> Removing the ~/.ssh/known_hosts file on my client had no effect. Also, I can ping the target and my firewalls are open.
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2645[17:47:29] <DammitJim> Ziosa, I think something is borked with your ssh_config
2646[17:47:38] <DammitJim> where it doesn't know where to find the private keys
2647[17:47:54] <jmcnaught> Ziosa: which user are you doing this as (on the local side)?
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2649[17:48:03] <greycat> Well, the box rebooted OK. So I guess the 13 lvmetad WARNINGs weren't immediately fatal.
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2651[17:48:52] <jorgesanjuan> Hi, Is anyone aware of whether it is possible to boot a HP moonshot m400 with Debian? The kernel always hangs in the same place. Someone told me on #Fedora-arm that the actual kernel 4.6 doesn't support the ACPI needed for the PCi-e
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2653[17:49:52] <Ziosa> jmcnaught, The client user, I am attemping to connect from, is called "user" in the provided output. Same as above: replaced-url
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2655[17:50:20] <DammitJim> and obviously user exists on the other server?
2656[17:50:53] <jhutchins> !paste
2657[17:50:53] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
2658[17:50:55] <jmcnaught> Ziosa: the reason i ask is because password authentication is disabled over ssh in jessie by default. perhaps you could paste the /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server?
2659[17:50:58] <ashka> Ziosa: do you usually use a password when connecting through SSH ?
2660[17:51:09] <jhutchins> Ziosa: pastebin.com is blocked here and at many companies.
2661[17:51:49] <Ziosa> jhutchins, Okay, sorry.
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2666[17:53:43] <Ziosa> ashka, Previously, I have always used the defaults, simply typing ssh host. Then, entrying in a password for the remote machine.
2667[17:53:46] <Iridos> "password authentication is disabled over ssh in jessie by default"??
2668[17:53:49] <Iridos> what?
2669[17:53:57] <jmcnaught> oh sorry.. i meant for root
2670[17:54:02] <DammitJim> for root
2671[17:54:03] <Iridos> ah
2672[17:54:04] <Ziosa> oh
2673[17:54:15] <Iridos> :)
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2675[17:54:20] <ashka> Ziosa: your ssh server is not allowing password authentication in your paste
2676[17:54:50] <Ziosa> This, is a live system, debian 8.5. All defaults. How do I correct this?
2677[17:54:51] <marcidy> Hi. I'm trying to build a initramfs while on a -ckt kernel. uname-a reports two verison IDs, the "standard" 3.16.0-4-amd64, and the new kernel maintainer 3.16.7-ckt25. uname -r reports the standard ID. The modules are all in the standard ID directory, but seem to report the ckt version. there's more in the paste: replaced-url
2678[17:55:05] <jmcnaught> Ziosa: please make a paste of the sshd_config
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2680[17:55:10] <Ziosa> ok
2681[17:55:42] <jhutchins> Does the live user (user) have a password?
2682[17:55:56] <Iridos> /home/user isn't root, though.
2683[17:55:57] <Ziosa> By default it is "live"
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2686[17:56:20] <Ziosa> I tried, ssh user@192.168.0.5, identical output.
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2688[17:56:27] <greycat> Why are you using a transient "Live" system as a server?
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2691[17:56:49] <jmcnaught> Iridos: that is also true. it's coffee time i guess
2692[17:56:50] <Ziosa> greycat: It is a vm.
2693[17:57:29] <DammitJim> Ziosa, you could also try creating a new user
2694[17:57:36] <greycat> Why the fuck are you using a transient "Live" system in a transient VM in a transient buzzword nondefault enterprise paradigm leverage synergy [redacted] ...
2695[17:57:37] <DammitJim> on the live system
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2697[17:57:40] <DammitJim> set a password
2698[17:57:42] <Iridos> jmcnaught, I see you're getting into that deep learning stuff ;)
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2700[17:57:43] <DammitJim> and try to log on to it
2701[17:58:17] <greycat> I swear, the less someone knows, the more complicated the bullshit they try to do.
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2703[17:58:34] <DammitJim> greycat, what is that law called? :D
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2706[17:59:06] <Iridos> but that's how some of the greatest discoveries were made... by people who didn't know something wasn't possible and hence tried it
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2723[18:04:27] <Ziosa> jmcnaught, My client /etc/ssh/sshd_config is here replaced-url
2724[18:04:34] <greycat> *sigh*
2725[18:04:37] <greycat> Jesus Christ.
2726[18:04:53] <Ziosa> ?
2727[18:05:11] <greycat> "I'm'a set up a live CD in a VM but I don't even know what the difference is between an ssh client and an ssh server"
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2729[18:05:48] <greycat> IS IT PRECISELY THE /etc/ssh/sshd_config ON THE SERVER that we need to see, to understand why the SERVER is behaving in a way you do not like.
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2731[18:06:07] <greycat> Showing us a server config file from the CLIENT serves no purpose at all.
2732[18:06:17] <jmcnaught> Ziosa: please show us the sshd_config from the server. /etc/ssh/ssh_config and ~/.ssh/config would also be helpful
2733[18:06:25] <greycat> Saying it is "8.5 defaults" proves that you did not even LOOK at it.
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2738[18:06:42] <Ziosa> jmcnaught, Sorry, okay.
2739[18:07:04] <greycat> Clearly it is not the same as the defaults from a NON-LIVE SYSTEM. And since none of use a LIVE system, we don't know what you have.
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2743[18:08:04] <greycat> It wouldn't even surprise me if ALL forms of authentication are disabled because nobody ever intended the LIVE system to be used as a server.
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2748[18:09:14] <Ziosa> greycat, I have certainly been able to do this a few weeks ago. That is why I ask.
2749[18:09:25] <greycat> What did you change?
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2753[18:10:00] <Ziosa> greycat, A new .iso is the only thing I am aware of.
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2755[18:10:22] <Ziosa> Otherwise, I would have reversed any other changes, if I knew.
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2757[18:11:50] <greycat> It is entirely possible the two different LIVE systems have different sshd_configs.
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2762[18:12:44] <Ziosa> Remote system, /etc/ssh/ssh_config: replaced-url
2763[18:12:45] <jmcnaught> Ziosa: I don't know what you're trying to do, but doing a normal install of Debian in a VM makes more sense for most use cases
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2766[18:13:16] <greycat> I'm starting to think it's all an elaborate troll.
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2768[18:13:37] <jmcnaught> Ziosa: so line 52 has PasswordAuthentication disabled. Use a public key, or stop using live
2769[18:13:55] <greycat> Oh, good, he DID paste the right file. He just mis-represented what he had pasted here in #debian.
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2772[18:14:46] <greycat> Ziosa: or comment line 52 and restart sshd
2773[18:14:57] <Ziosa> ok
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2775[18:15:05] <jmcnaught> every time you boot the live disk VM :/
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2777[18:15:22] <greycat> Yup. Same way he has to recreate the authorized_keys file EVERY TIME HE REBOOTS.
2778[18:15:35] <greycat> Except there's a "VM" involved somehow. God only fucking knows how.
2779[18:15:38] <Ziosa> Snapshots
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2781[18:17:08] <Ziosa> IT WORKS!
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2783[18:17:26] <jmcnaught> Ziosa: so yeah.. seems like you've made more work for yourself using the live disk, but maybe you have a reason
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2785[18:17:55] <greycat> I guess he's not actually BOOTING the LIVE system... I guess he "installed" the LIVE system? No idea why he would do this.
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2788[18:18:13] <Ziosa> Thanks for enduring my stupidity.
2789[18:19:16] <Ziosa> I use boot vms with live cd's when I need to test something. I find sending files with scp, faster than installing guest additions. At least, when password authentication was enabled by default.
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2792[18:21:07] <jmcnaught> Ziosa: i also use VMs to test things, but with regular installs of Debian, not live cds
2793[18:21:42] <Ziosa> I know, I should really do the same.
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2958[19:37:19] <jhutchins> I would think it would be fairly easy to archive a regular VM off to a disc and load it when needed.
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2961[19:38:44] <unborn> jhutchins: its very easy
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3052[20:28:34] <brimonk> Can anyone tell me how to get alt+f and alt+b to work in xterm on Debian? By default, it seems like '/etc/inputrc' has it set up to use Ctrl + arrows for this. How can I change it?
3053[20:29:16] <greycat> You can add additional readline bindings in ~/.inputrc (note the dot)
3054[20:29:33] <greycat> These files are used by libreadline which is used by bash and some other programs.
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3058[20:30:08] <brimonk> greycat: Cool. How can I figure out what escape sequences correspond to the keys I want to press?
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3065[20:31:38] <greycat> Well... there's always the READLINE section in man bash.
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3067[20:32:01] <greycat> Might be simpler to google for someone else who has already done it.
3068[20:32:41] <n1cky_> I just found an old machine in a basement running LENNY!
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3070[20:33:06] <n1cky_> Er, did I say lenny? I meant SARGE
3071[20:33:18] <brimonk> greycat: I think this is what I wanted. Thanks.
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3079[20:35:41] <cavaughan> SARGE? Could have been a lot worse.
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3084[20:36:51] <n1cky_> I'm sitting here wondering if I can justify procrastinating through dist-upgrading all the way to jessie.
3085[20:37:27] <brimonk> greycat: What if the man page doesn't describe what I need to do to get ALT as a Readline Key Binding?
3086[20:37:28] <cavaughan> Don't think you'll find repos to dist upgrade from Sarge.
3087[20:37:37] <brimonk> It talks about Control and the Meta keys.
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3089[20:38:20] <greycat> You want Meta, probably.
3090[20:38:26] <greycat> Welcome to emacs hell.
3091[20:38:31] <brimonk> Bleh.
3092[20:38:34] <brimonk> Thanks RMS.
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3094[20:38:51] <brimonk> You've seen the keyboard that thing was created on, right?
3095[20:38:57] <brimonk> Friggin disgusting.
3096[20:39:09] <greycat> no, I haven't
3097[20:39:14] <brimonk> I'll find it.
3098[20:39:30] <brimonk> replaced-url
3099[20:39:35] <brimonk> That's a pretty good article on it.
3100[20:39:48] <brimonk> It's similar to the reason vi used hjkl.
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3102[20:39:55] <brimonk> crappy, old hardware.
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3104[20:40:17] <dondelelcaro> meh, having multiple meta keys is actually pretty useful
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3107[20:40:40] <dondelelcaro> (or mod keys, really; there are up to 5 of them)
3108[20:40:49] <greycat> I know about vi. I deeply appreciate their forsaking of these weird keyboards and using keys that EVERYONE has.
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3110[20:41:24] <brimonk> But like,
3111[20:41:28] <brimonk> Just look at that keyboard.
3112[20:41:37] <brimonk> Literally, why do you need HALF of those keys?
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3115[20:42:03] <greycat> I won't presume to judge, because I've never used the hardware it's designed for.
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3121[20:42:46] <dondelelcaro> brimonk: lots of them were designed for controlling terminals and their display; it's not that unusual to have lots of keys
3122[20:42:49] <dTal> what's weird is it's a Lisp machine but they still make you hit shift to get parentheses
3123[20:43:02] <greycat> dTal: hah! That was my first thought too.
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3125[20:44:15] <Jan\> how do I start mate desktop once I installed it ?
3126[20:44:27] <dondelelcaro> dTal: that's because it wasn't designed for the symoblics machine; it predated it
3127[20:45:05] <ryouma> i swap () []
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3130[20:45:32] <brimonk> greycat: Could I use vi mode for the keyboard shortcuts and whatnot?
3131[20:45:36] <dondelelcaro> (and vi was designed on a machine which had esc in the place that is nowadays usually tab)
3132[20:45:38] <brimonk> greycat: Would they be sane?
3133[20:46:04] <greycat> brimonk: bash has a vi mode (set -o vi). Worth learning.
3134[20:46:05] <greycat> I use it.
3135[20:46:43] <greycat> dondelelcaro: hey, as long as there *IS* an Esc key somewhere... fucking DEC VT series....
3136[20:46:58] <cavaughan> Jan: after installing a desktop log off and then choose the desktop environment you want
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3138[20:47:24] <brimonk> greycat: Where can I find the shortcuts for the vi mode?
3139[20:47:30] <greycat> Having to hit Ctrl-[ because trhere is no Esc key is not fun.
3140[20:47:54] <n1cky_> Jan\: are you using a display manager? If you've performed a minimal install, you need to craft an xinitrc and then use startx from the xorg-utils package
3141[20:47:55] <greycat> brimonk: "bind -p" if you want a dump, but really it's just knowing vi and applying it.
3142[20:48:13] <n1cky_> Jan\: else, what cavaughan said.
3143[20:48:17] <brimonk> .... That's a lot of output.
3144[20:48:41] <dondelelcaro> greycat: you can also just echo 'editing-mode vi' > ~/.inputrc; and get vi mode everywhere
3145[20:48:44] <greycat> The emacs mode uses more of the readline bindings by default than the vi mode does.
3146[20:48:52] <greycat> dondelelcaro: yes, right.
3147[20:48:58] <greycat> imadev:~$ cat .inputrc
3148[20:48:58] <greycat> set editing-mode vi
3149[20:48:58] <greycat> set echo-control-characters off
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3151[20:49:54] <dondelelcaro> brimonk: man 3 readline;
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3154[20:50:41] <dondelelcaro> and your keyboard could always be more complicated: replaced-url
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3156[20:50:58] <brimonk> How can I get the current mode?
3157[20:51:06] <brimonk> echo $mode /
3158[20:51:06] <brimonk> ?
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3161[20:51:39] <brimonk> Also, I can't hit m in my terminal anymore.
3162[20:51:46] <greycat> set -o | egrep 'vi|emacs'
3163[20:51:57] <greycat> heh
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3166[20:52:24] <greycat> Probably incorrect quoting in the .inputrc file when trying to do M-something
3167[20:52:32] <Jan\> n1cky_: yeah I start with the standard install
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3169[20:52:45] <brimonk> It was the 'editing-mode vi' in my ~/.inputrc
3170[20:52:47] <Jan\> n1cky_: xinitrc and startx doesnt work
3171[20:52:59] <dondelelcaro> brimonk: yeah, that should have been set editing-mode vi
3172[20:53:06] * dondelelcaro forgot the set keywoard
3173[20:53:12] <brimonk> Gotcha.
3174[20:53:16] <brimonk> Let's retry it.
3175[20:53:24] <brimonk> m key works.
3176[20:53:38] <brimonk> And vi mode is on.
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3178[20:54:42] <cavaughan> Jan\ just to be sure, you are in a terminal and not a GUI right now?
3179[20:54:50] <Jan\> cavaughan: yes
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3183[20:58:19] <cavaughan> Jan, what about just typing X
3184[20:58:37] <Jan\> cavaughan: not found
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3187[21:00:09] <brimonk> greycat: So, if I want alt+f to be 'go forward a word' I need to have a line in my ~/.inputrc that's like, "\M-f": forward-word ?????
3188[21:00:09] <cavaughan> Jan, sounds like you don't have X11 installed
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3191[21:01:10] <cavaughan> Jan, try apt-get install x11-common
3192[21:01:17] <greycat> brimonk: TIAS, or ask in #bash. I'm not a big readline guy.
3193[21:01:28] <greycat> I tend to keep things very simple.
3194[21:03:56] <cavaughan> Jan, oh and apt-get install xserver-common
3195[21:04:16] <cavaughan> Jan, I think the latter is really what you need.
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3322[22:19:09] <jhutchins> djapo: The ID string comes from firmware in the actual device, I'm not sure it's possible to spoof it.
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3325[22:21:30] <alex1a> php-apcu package don't exist in debianjessie reps ?
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3333[22:23:58] <djapo> jhutchins: not spoof but masquerade it
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3335[22:24:56] <djapo> kind of like in networking when a network is masqueraded to protect from malicious traffic
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3344[22:32:49] <brimonk> Hey, is there an obs package for debian?
3345[22:33:04] <irinix> brimonk I know theres' one on Ubuntu
3346[22:33:43] <brimonk> irinix: So, there isn't one for like, Debian unstable?
3347[22:33:51] <jhutchins> ,v obs
3348[22:33:52] <judd> No package named 'obs' was found in amd64.
3349[22:34:03] <brimonk> judd: I found that too.
3350[22:34:04] <judd> No package named 'found' was found in jessie/amd64.
3351[22:34:09] <brimonk> lol
3352[22:34:22] <jhutchins> brimonk: Meet our database bot.
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3359[22:37:10] <greycat> dpkg, judd
3360[22:37:11] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See replaced-url
3361[22:37:31] <brimonk> dpkg, obs
3362[22:37:31] <dpkg> brimonk: I give up, what is it?
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3378[22:46:36] <SilverWhitefish> dpkg asciiquarium
3379[22:46:36] <dpkg> i don't know, SilverWhitefish
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3381[22:46:58] <SilverWhitefish> dpkg aafire
3382[22:46:58] <dpkg> SilverWhitefish: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
3383[22:47:07] <laurus> Let's say I compile a program and save it somewhere. How do I make a "shortcut" on the command line so I can type the name of the program in any directory and have it run?
3384[22:47:28] <greycat> laurus: Move the program to /usr/local/bin/ if you have root authority.
3385[22:47:54] <laurus> greycat, what if I want to store it in a particular place in my home directory?
3386[22:47:55] <greycat> Otherwise if you only want it to work for *you*, mkdir ~/bin; mv theprogram to ~/bin, and add ~/bin to your PATH in your dot files.
3387[22:48:01] <irinix> or failing that you could also alias it
3388[22:48:19] <laurus> Ahh, the PATH. Okay.
3389[22:48:23] <babilen> laurus: You have to add the path it is in to your PATH. My recommendation would be to install external software to /usr/local and to manage those installations with stow. That way they'll be easy to remove and immediately in your PATH from /usr/local/bin
3390[22:48:24] <laurus> irinix, what is alias?
3391[22:48:27] <irinix> or what greycat just said too
3392[22:48:29] <babilen> dpkg: tell laurus -about stow usage
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3394[22:49:01] <irinix> laurus greycat's method will be easiser
3395[22:49:08] <laurus> Ok. I'll do that.
3396[22:49:11] <laurus> Thanks everyone.
3397[22:49:15] <irinix> replaced-url
3398[22:49:19] <greycat> Depends on how easy it is to figure out where your dot files are.
3399[22:49:24] <irinix> for your future reference though
3400[22:49:34] <greycat> Now that 95% of the userbase uses these abominable Desktop Environments...
3401[22:49:54] <laurus> "abominable Desktop Environments". Haha
3402[22:50:09] <irinix> greycat I only use it for the games
3403[22:50:17] <laurus> Why are they abominable?
3404[22:50:33] <greycat> Well, I hope you know which file to edit to add a directory to your PATH, because nobody else knows either.
3405[22:50:52] <irinix> laurus I think greycat is exposing his neckbeard
3406[22:50:54] <laurus> greycat, actually, I don't know
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3408[22:51:03] <laurus> I never understood all that dot file stuff honestly.
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3410[22:51:34] <greycat> I understand it 100% if you use startx instead of a GUI login.
3411[22:51:44] <laurus> No, I just have the GUI login.
3412[22:51:48] <greycat> But the GUI logins are undocumented. Literally NOBODY knows how to configure them.
3413[22:51:50] <irinix> replaced-url
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3415[22:51:55] <laurus> Oh, I see.
3416[22:52:01] <laurus> I'm looking at replaced-url
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3418[22:52:18] <greycat> There's also replaced-url
3419[22:52:18] <laurus> I'll try putting it in ~/.bash_profile and see what happens.
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3422[22:53:02] <babilen> laurus: You'd typically just source your .bashrc from .bash_profile and define it in there
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3424[22:53:17] <laurus> babilen, that sounds complicated
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3427[22:53:53] <greycat> babilen: Oh, so that's what DE people do? They say "fuck it" to configuring the DE itself, and just spam PATH additions in .bashrc for every single shell invocation?
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3431[22:56:01] <laurus> I have to go; thank you all!
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3435[22:59:15] <greycat> (Not that I blame them for giving up after not finding ANY documentation that says how to configure the DE. I can respect "well, .bashrc will work" as a last straw.)
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3442[23:04:15] <djapo> jhutchins: so i found a way to change a device id replaced-url
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3460[23:13:04] <Lionyx> So... no more iceweasel?
3461[23:13:16] <greycat> !firefox-esr
3462[23:13:16] <dpkg> From 2016-06-09, the firefox-esr package replaces the iceweasel package in Debian 8 "Jessie". The iceweasel package used to track the Extended Support Releases (ESR) of Mozilla Firefox to get security fixes, what changes is the icon and the name of the binary (/usr/bin/firefox). Ask me about <firefox>.
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3464[23:15:21] <jhutchins> djapo: Cool.
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3467[23:16:36] <Lionyx> So... what about icedove? No thunderbird?
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3481[23:22:39] <jelly> Lionyx: replaced-url
3482[23:22:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3502[23:29:41] <Lionyx> jelly: cool!
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