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11[00:03:12] <DeaDSouL> Hi, I'm trying to delete a folder as root in my server with `rm -rfv .AppleDouble` but it says: `rm: cannot remove `.AppleDouble': Directory not empty` when I list that folder with `ls -lah` i found a strange info there like this: `-?????????? ? ? ? ? ? MCT OVA 12 - roOoby .mp4` so I tried `file 'MCT OVA 12 - ro0oby .mp4'` and it says: `MCT OVA 12 - roOoby .mp4: ERROR: cannot open `MCT OVA 12 - roOoby .mp4' (No such file or directo
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15[00:05:18] <LtL> DeaDSouL: stat directoryname - what permission does it have
16[00:05:23] <Brigo> DeaDSouL, try checking the filesystem. It looks like a filesystem corruption.
17[00:06:04] <LtL> DeaDSouL: don't cross-post please
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19[00:06:39] <unborn> LtL: cross-post?
20[00:06:59] <LtL> unborn: he's asking in ##linux also
21[00:07:09] <unborn> LtL: and?
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26[00:08:13] <LtL> unborn: its poor etiquette to crosspost
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34[00:09:31] <unborn> LtL: I would understand if he post that question on all debian channels but he post it on different channel completely nothing to do with this one.. and his question is legit as it is touching about issue having on linux.. so where do you see poor etiquette or cross-post
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37[00:09:59] <unborn> LtL: ah I understand.. because you sitting there and you dont like it.. sorry
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40[00:10:35] <LtL> unborn: why should anyone here help if he's asking elsewhere
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42[00:11:09] <vook> many debian members don't watch ##linux
43[00:11:14] <vook> and visa versa
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45[00:11:48] <LtL> unborn: im sure youre not new to IRC, neither am i crossposting is frowned upon, think what you like
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47[00:12:38] <unborn> LtL: sure. I was just asking why not to ask elsewhere too.. perhaps he was in urgency or something.. end of the day its not my business.
48[00:12:48] <vook> I've heard the same, and I'd completely agree if it was cross-posting between freenode and oftc, but anyway...
49[00:12:55] * unborn just wanted to know
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75[00:22:28] <DeaDSouL> back sorry
76[00:22:44] <DeaDSouL> Brigo: it says: stat: cannot stat `MCT OVA 12 - roOoby .mp4': No such file or directory
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83[00:24:26] <Brigo> DeaDSouL, i said you should check the fileystem for errors not stat any file.
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90[00:25:35] <DeaDSouL> Brigo: how can I check the filesystem
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93[00:26:43] <dTal> DeaDSouL: I second the "corrupt filesystem" explanation, and strongly suggest that before doing anything else you should back up important files
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99[00:28:32] <Brigo> DeaDSouL, that link is quite good: replaced-url
100[00:28:40] <dTal> actually wait
101[00:28:53] <dTal> do what LtL said to start with
102[00:29:03] <dTal> check the directory permissions
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105[00:29:08] <dTal> (not the file permissions)
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108[00:29:29] <Brigo> dTal, he did it, check his messages.
109[00:29:33] <Miesco> Hi. How come my ip gets changed to a dynamic one when I have a static one in /etc/network/interfaces?
110[00:29:49] <Miesco> I don't have NetworkManager...
111[00:30:00] <dTal> you mean this? 23:32 < DeaDSouL> Brigo: it says: stat: cannot stat `MCT OVA 12 - roOoby .mp4': No such file or directory
112[00:30:18] <Brigo> dTal, yes
113[00:30:19] <dTal> because that's the file, not the directory .AppleDouble
114[00:30:27] <Brigo> dTal, right.
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116[00:30:58] <Brigo> Miesco, it shouldn't
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118[00:31:02] <DeaDSouL> here: replaced-url
119[00:31:04] <Brigo> is dhcpd running?
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121[00:31:47] <DeaDSouL> no, but bindfs is
122[00:32:18] <DeaDSouL> but I'm trying to delete it from the original ext3 mount point
123[00:32:26] <Brigo> DeaDSouL, i was talking with Miesco :)
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125[00:33:39] <DeaDSouL> :p
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129[00:35:34] <dTal> there's something odd going on in that screenshot
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133[00:36:22] <dTal> why would ls -lah in the *parent* directory give "blahblah.mp4: no such file or directory"?
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139[00:38:07] <dTal> maybe also check the perms on the "Japanese" directory, since you can't even 'ls' inside that?
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142[00:38:42] <Brigo> dTal, you can try it.
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145[00:39:24] <Brigo> dTal, but i think you were root, so no permission problems.
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151[00:42:15] <dTal> Brigo: I'm not DeaDSouL
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153[00:43:03] <Brigo> dTal, too late for me, dude :D
154[00:43:23] <dTal> However I did try it and indeed no amount of permission mangling could provoke that effect as root
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156[00:43:56] <dTal> so I will default back to "borked filesystem"
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159[00:45:23] <Brigo> anyway, i am off, going to be, bye and good luck DeaDSouL :)
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161[00:46:03] <Brigo> going to bed* :)
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169[00:50:24] <psylence> I feel so stupid for asking this. But how do I figure out the name of my wireless interface?
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173[00:51:55] <DeaDSouL> thanks Brigo :) gn
174[00:52:01] <psylence> ifconfig.. and I'm not even high -_-'
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180[00:55:24] <dTal> Poor psylence left before anyone could tell them that 'ifconfig' is deprecated
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184[00:56:16] <count> heyho
185[00:56:59] <count> are there any known issue with Xenial server, where the keyboard input stops working (while console switching still works) and the network stacks also seems to stop working in userspace?
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188[00:57:46] <count> having the issue reliably with kernels 4.4.0-28 and earlier from the release, also tried 3.19.0-61 with the same result
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194[00:59:06] <count> somehow feels like a weird userspace issue affecting daemons, e.g. ssh and getty are stopping working. nothing in the logs, nothing on the console.
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199[01:02:09] <vook> that's nor really a debian question
200[01:02:12] <vook> *not
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216[01:05:27] <count> it isn't. I'm on the wrong channel. oh damn.
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218[01:06:01] <count> I'm usually using Debian on all of my server except that one. heh.
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220[01:06:08] <count> sorry for that :D
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345[02:05:52] <siloxid> I recently did applied some updates to sid and lost the ability to click by tapping my touchpad and the setting has disappeared from settings. how can I force this back on?
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368[02:13:45] <siloxid> nevermind, found how to enable it
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377[02:19:34] <Dan39> vnstat keeps teling me " eth2: Not enough data available yet." even though its been running for days
378[02:20:09] <Dan39> it seems it is not recording any stats to the db files, i dont know why :(
379[02:20:44] <Dan39> from some research, it seems it is a bug specific to version debian is using
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385[02:23:10] <Dan39> hmm, i do not see the "Info: Monitoring: eth2 (no limit)" message in journalctl until i stop it
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388[02:24:06] <somiaj> Did you find the bug report in the debian BTS? Is there a workaround? Sounds to me like you need to tell the program to watch eth2 (sounds like it is not watching that interface)
389[02:24:26] <Dan39> i set it in the config
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391[02:25:47] <Dan39> it says it is monitoring it, but not until i stop the service... wtf -_-
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439[02:53:34] <v0r0nwe> hello debian fellas, i just tried to install stretch alpha6 via netinstall on a ssd. i wanted to set up encrypted lvm and ran the "overwrite blocks with random data"-thing... after finishing this step, the installer can't continue because the ssd isn't detected. after reboot even the bios doesn't detect the ssd anymore. could it be possible that this write-intensive step just "destroyed" the disk? it was a
440[02:53:36] <v0r0nwe> sandisk ultraII 480gb
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456[03:08:57] <simonlnu> re-partition it?
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458[03:09:36] <simonlnu> maybe just the partition got wiped, and so setting it like you had it will restore it. but it's better you actually file a bug report.
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481[03:18:51] <DeaDSouL> hi, it had an unprintable characters
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483[03:19:05] <DeaDSouL> how can I rename files if they have unprintable characters ?
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490[03:22:55] <v0r0nwe> simonlnu: how could i re-partition it if it's not even detected by the bios?
491[03:23:06] <v0r0nwe> but thx anyway
492[03:23:08] <v0r0nwe> :)
493[03:23:18] <simonlnu> doh, yeah, LOL
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496[03:24:32] <SerajewelKS> v0r0nwe: all i can suggest is trying it in a different machine or with a sata-to-usb bridge or something
497[03:24:45] <SerajewelKS> maybe the sata controller in this box suddenly doesn't like it
498[03:24:57] <v0r0nwe> hm yeah i will try that
499[03:25:02] <v0r0nwe> thx
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501[03:25:40] <abrotman> suddenly?
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503[03:27:04] <v0r0nwe> i had some issues with sandisk ssd drives before (like bad blocks / corrupt fs), caused by write-intensive tasks
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528[03:47:37] <up2late> how do i set my user to about to use sudo without putting in a password ebery time
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532[03:48:26] <DeaDSouL> i'm logged as user1 ... how can i login as user2 from user1 ?
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535[03:48:49] <Dan39> i removed the User=vnstat line that debian added to the vnstat.service file, now it works fine. meh :\
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538[03:49:06] <dvs> up2late, "ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" in sudoers file
539[03:49:18] <Dan39> not sure why, files were owned by vnstat, so shouldnt have been an issue for it to write
540[03:49:24] <LtL> DeaDSouL: su user2
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542[03:49:38] <DeaDSouL> LtL: thanks
543[03:49:49] <LtL> de nada DeaDSouL
544[03:50:01] <Dan39> hmmm
545[03:50:08] <Dan39> this is interesting
546[03:50:26] <Dan39> if i su to vnstat user, ifconfig returns 0 for all RX/TX bytes
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548[03:50:45] <Dan39> as root it has values
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550[03:51:30] <LtL> Dan39: vnstat is most likely nologin in /etc/passwd
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552[03:52:22] <Dan39> yea
553[03:52:32] <Dan39> but i did su -s /bin/bash vnstat
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556[03:52:58] <LtL> Dan39: so its not a user per se but a daemon
557[03:52:59] <Dan39> else i wouldnt be able to su to vnstat at all :P
558[03:53:05] <Dan39> LtL: right...
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561[03:53:27] <Dan39> but does that change the fact that it seems there is some permissions issue?
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564[03:53:50] <Dan39> probably some weird kernel or udev thing...
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567[03:54:28] <LtL> Dan39: i havent used vnstat for years, but it looks lie a /etc/vnstat.conf type thing
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569[03:54:43] <LtL> *like
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571[03:55:51] <Dan39> there is the feature to switch user/group in the config... debian does it in service file instead though
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575[03:57:09] <dvs> up2late, please don't /msg me
576[03:57:21] <LtL> Dan39: frankly i've been watching a movie so i didn't see your issue
577[03:57:26] <up2late> k
578[03:57:27] <Dan39> heh
579[03:57:40] <abrotman> up2late: this is well documented in the man page for that config file
580[03:57:42] <Dan39> thats ok LtL, you have given good responses anyways :P
581[03:57:50] <abrotman> and no, don't msg me either :)
582[03:57:56] <up2late> how do i read the man page?
583[03:58:00] <up2late> im very new to this
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585[03:58:08] <abrotman> and apparently up too late
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587[03:58:19] <Dan39> you can /msg me
588[03:58:20] <Dan39> :P
589[03:59:03] <dvs> up2late, on the command line, type "man" and then the command like "man sudo"
590[03:59:13] <up2late> will do thanks
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592[04:01:20] <Dan39> hmm
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594[04:01:33] <Dan39> /sys/class/net/eth2/statistics/rx_bytes is permissioned denied even for my normal users
595[04:01:49] <Dan39> ya know what i almost forgot
596[04:02:06] <Dan39> this has grsecurity kernel
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608[04:07:47] <Dan39> yep i think thats it
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610[04:08:15] <Dan39> sorry guys :( i feel like jerk now since i dont think thats a debian supported kernel at that point
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612[04:08:45] <ttyS1> I made some bad changes accidentally on iptables and now it prevents accesing the server after reboot. If I can unmount the drive what should I edit in order to prevent iptables from starting at boottime ?
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614[04:09:05] <Dan39> unmount the drive?
615[04:09:18] <Dan39> you mean mount it?
616[04:10:02] <Dan39> i do believe there is an iptables file in /etc
617[04:10:32] <Dan39> lets read replaced-url
618[04:10:44] <Dan39> /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables
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746[05:28:29] <up2late> anyone have a second to discuss a suderos file with me?
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748[05:28:43] <up2late> *sudoers
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750[05:29:16] <SerajewelKS> up2late: just ask your question. if someone can answer, they will.
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782[05:48:39] <awal1> Which WM have better support for multi monitors?
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809[06:15:02] <stoned> xmonad
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811[06:15:31] <stoned> awal1: I use Xmonad. KDE wm, kwin is also pretty good. Plasma has multi monitor taskbar support if you need that
812[06:16:32] <stoned> awal1: replaced-url
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815[06:18:43] <awal1> sstoned, ok , thanks. I have heard about xmonad being good with multi monitors, yeah, but a bit lazy having to learn about haskell :P
816[06:18:59] <awal1> stoned, but thinking about it :)
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818[06:20:29] <awal1> stoned, what's that config file?
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824[06:21:45] <stoned> replaced-url
825[06:21:59] <stoned> I have 2x 60" up top, and 4x 19" under vertical for coding
826[06:22:10] <stoned> Xmonad imo is the best wm for multimon
827[06:22:55] <stoned> It works really well even out of the box
828[06:23:03] <stoned> and learning the cofnig is pretty easy. Good docs
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832[06:25:39] <awal1> looks nice :) I have used xmonad a few time but haven't had enough free time for set it up well. I may look at it again :P
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840[06:28:26] <stoned> It's nice.
841[06:28:29] <stoned> #xmonad
842[06:28:34] <stoned> Also #haskell of course
843[06:28:43] <stoned> Let me know if you want further tips
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847[06:31:13] <awal1> stoned, ok, I will :) thanks
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849[06:32:20] <stoned> ok bye bye
850[06:32:30] <stoned> I ate too many skittles. Now I feel sick. o/
851[06:32:34] <awal1> stoned, the only xmonad stuff related I have set up as I need it is xmobar replaced-url
852[06:32:55] <stoned> Coo,
853[06:32:56] <awal1> ok, rest well :P
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855[06:33:18] <stoned> replaced-url
856[06:33:49] <stoned> g'nite
857[06:34:54] <awal1> night
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875[06:54:09] <kareeoleez> I am seeing /dev/root 1.8G 1.7G 7.1M 100% / in my SD 2GB but I can't find where the space goes. Any ideas ? I've tried with ncdu and other commands but they simply show sizes up to 500MB
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886[07:00:21] <tripkin> I am running Jessie, latest updates, etc. I rebooted my computer and when it came back up I did not have eth0. I installed a usb wifi and it is working. How do I go about troubleshooting the nic, etc to find the problem? It is an integrated nic, static ip.
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894[07:06:16] <jmcnaught> tripkin: is it listed by "ip a" or "lspci -nn | grep -i net" ?
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896[07:07:19] <tripkin> jmcnaught, it shows up in both
897[07:07:46] <jmcnaught> tripkin: how is your eth0 normally configured? with /etc/network/interfaces?
898[07:07:57] <tripkin> Yes it is.
899[07:08:19] <jmcnaught> can you make a paste with that file and the output of "systemctl status networking"?
900[07:08:20] <tripkin> ip a shows the correct information
901[07:08:37] <tripkin> Sure. Just a moment
902[07:08:46] <jmcnaught> tripkin: in what way did you "not have eth0" then?
903[07:09:23] <tripkin> When I try to navigate anywhere, I cannot.
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905[07:09:41] <sol> anyone ever had any trouble with iwlwifi?
906[07:09:46] <tripkin> It also does not show up in the dash list of interfaces.
907[07:10:05] <sol> the wireless ping to my router is so #($&ing unstable, it's really frustrating
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909[07:10:21] <sol> I get 200ms pings sometimes, when there's only a little bit of web traffic from my system
910[07:10:30] <sol> normally the ping is 0.8ms
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912[07:11:26] <tripkin> jmcnaught, the gnome extension 'Show ip' shows it as not connected.
913[07:11:34] <sol> there were some posts online for setting various config options (eg, options iwlwifi bt_coex_active=0 in /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf, but nothing seems to help
914[07:11:38] <sol> also tried the latest firmware
915[07:12:03] <jmcnaught> tripkin: had you tried using ifdown and ifup on eth0?
916[07:12:46] <tripkin> jmcnaught, ifdown: interface eth0 not configured is what I get.
917[07:12:49] <jmcnaught> sol: i use that driver but don't have problems, maybe it's more specific to the model of your card than the driver?
918[07:13:36] <sol> jmcnaught; could be, I've seen people with other intel devices complaining about the exact same issue, but plenty were for my card, so it could be just a few models -- using a 3160ac
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920[07:14:09] <jmcnaught> sol: 6205 here
921[07:14:18] <sol> I might have to rip it out and put something else in :|
922[07:14:29] <sol> or use a USB adapter
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924[07:14:53] <jmcnaught> sol: did you try using a kernel from backports?
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926[07:15:41] <sol> jmcnaught; I updated to testing, hoping that would fix it
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928[07:15:44] <tripkin> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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930[07:16:18] <jmcnaught> sol: trying a newer kernel from jessie-backports probably would have sufficed
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932[07:16:39] <sol> jmcnaught; yea, probably, but I'm not a man of half-measures :D
933[07:16:43] <tripkin> jmcnaught, I had tried creating a boot script and registering in with update-rc.d, and that is the only recent change to my system.
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936[07:18:22] <tripkin> jmcnaught, I have the following two lines in the LSB header, and perhaps that is the problem. # Required-Start: $local_fs $network # Required-Stop: $network
937[07:18:50] <tripkin> I removed the script from update-rc.d but if it changed something else, I don't know how to properly fix it.
938[07:19:22] <jmcnaught> tripkin: is this boot script in anyway related to network interfaces?
939[07:19:55] <RebelCoder> I Love Debian !
940[07:20:15] <tripkin> jmcnaught, only in that it mentions $network in the Required-Start and Required-Stop
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942[07:20:41] <tripkin> It is just supposed to run vncserver at boot.
943[07:21:20] <jmcnaught> tripkin: did you replace systemd? how did you try to add the script at boot?
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945[07:22:15] <tripkin> I put the script in /etc/init.d and then ran update-rc.d vncxerver defaults
946[07:22:23] <daftest> Hello. How do I boot into something other than GNOME? (from a terminal)
947[07:22:33] <jmcnaught> tripkin: "Configuring network interfaces...RTNETLINK answers: File exists" <-- have you researched this error?
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949[07:22:58] <daftest> Upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie. I boot up without errors, but at the login screen I get the sadface and "oh no!". I am trying to get around it...
950[07:23:04] <tripkin> jmcnaught, no I have not. Let me do that and I will get back to you. Thanks.
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954[07:24:05] <jmcnaught> tripkin: with systemd to enable something at boot it's "systemctl enable servicename". services can be init scripts in /etc/init.d or systemd units (INI file format) in /etc/systemd/system
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956[07:24:52] <tripkin> jmcnaught, thanks. I am still used to thinking like I am running Ubuntu 14.04.
957[07:25:07] <jmcnaught> daftest: what kind of graphics card do you have? is it the login screen itself that has that error, or right after logging in?
958[07:26:14] <daftest> jmcnaught: ATI Radeon 5770. login screen itself. thanks
959[07:26:18] <daftest> Happens whether I have the proprietary driver on or not.
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963[07:27:14] <jmcnaught> daftest: i'm pretty sure fglrx is not compatible with gnome at this point. if you install a different display manager like lightdm it will ask you which you want to use
964[07:27:54] <jmcnaught> daftest: with the free radeon driver, you might simply need the non-free firmware. some cards that worked in wheezy without it need it in jessie
965[07:28:33] <daftest> so I could just apt-get lightdm from terminal and boot into it?
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967[07:28:53] <daftest> yeah, so I hear about the FGIRX. :(
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971[07:29:13] <jmcnaught> daftest: or try with the firmware-linux-nonfree package installed
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973[07:29:43] <daftest> firmware-linux-nonfree by itself doesn't fix it, but I am yet to try fully installing the free radeon.
974[07:29:58] <jmcnaught> what do you mean?
975[07:30:10] <jmcnaught> radeon is installed by default
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979[07:31:45] <daftest> jmcnaught: That wasn't the case for me. It defaulted to something normal, at least on Wheezy, and and that required extra work. At least as I recall.
980[07:32:04] <solrize> ok so i have a debian 7 frankensystem with a 1tb root partition and 2tb user partition... the root partition has 900+gb of user files. i'm thinking of upgrading to jessie by 1) apt-get distupgrade; 2) back up everything and reinstall the whole system from scratch from jessie distro on bare metal; 3) back up everything and reinstall with some kind of virtualization scheme so i can do further upgrades with less headaches. any advice?
981[07:34:31] <jmcnaught> daftest: i used that card on wheezy, it used radeon. it required the non-free firmware for 3D. Take a look at replaced-url
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983[07:34:57] <jmcnaught> daftest: also if you've had fglrx installed then the radeon driver could be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/
984[07:35:25] <daftest> jmcnaught: ok, that's a good lead, thanks
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994[07:43:03] <daftest> jmcnaught: no, modprobe blacklist is no longer there, but still failing on login with firmware-linux-nonfree
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998[07:44:19] <daftest> jmcnaught: I just don't understand why I can't find a clear explanation in a log of why it won't load
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1000[07:45:03] <somiaj> solrize: unsure what unstandard stuff you ahve done to your system. But if you follow some basic guidlines debian can be upgraded to future releases, so provided your wheezy install is in good shape, just read the jessie release notes for upgrading. If your wheezy system is not in good shape, I'd reinstall and then make sure you follow some basic rules (/msg dpkg don't break debian) on jessie, and you'll eventually be able to upgrade it to stretch.
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1002[07:45:39] <somiaj> daftest: grep radeon /etc/modprobe.d/*
1003[07:46:02] <solrize> yeah i'm not sure what nonstandard stuff i've done either, and it may be messy. but i'm basically ok with clobbering all the system stuff and starting over, as long as i don't mess up the user data
1004[07:46:10] <somiaj> daftest: dmesg does give you any errors why the radeon module isn't loading?
1005[07:46:38] <somiaj> solrize: provided you keep stuff nicely in $HOME you should be fine. Note sometimes you may have to clean up your $HOME with newer software, older user configs may not work
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1007[07:47:16] <solrize> yeah but i was a bad boy and downloaded all kinds of newer packages and ran "make install" which put stuff in /usr/bin etc
1008[07:47:18] <daftest> somiaj: but how do I know it isn't? I just know that my system is screwed.
1009[07:47:45] <solrize> so i'm basically taking DontBreakDebian to heart this time :)
1010[07:47:54] <somiaj> solrize: in /usr/bin? Most make install will put thigns in /usr/local (which is just fine)
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1012[07:48:07] <somiaj> solrize: also look into stow or check-install, makes manging source installs in /usr/local a lot easier
1013[07:48:14] <solrize> hmm ok
1014[07:48:17] <daftest> somiaj: /etc/modprobe.fbdev-blacklist.conf:blacklist radeonfb /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf:options radeon modeset=1
1015[07:48:25] <solrize> i kind of want to try out nixos or guix under debian
1016[07:48:30] <solrize> but that's separate
1017[07:48:37] <solrize> hmm
1018[07:48:59] <somiaj> daftest: I missed your original issue, but that looks fine
1019[07:49:05] <solrize> yeah i guess stuff mostly went in $HOME or /usr/local
1020[07:49:18] <somiaj> solrize: that is just fine and debian packages will live nicely with that.
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1022[07:49:24] <solrize> fair enough
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1024[07:49:52] <somiaj> solrize: only one word of warning, /usr/local/bin and $HOME/bin are in the path before /usr/bin (or /bin) so this means that local stuff will be run instead of debian stuff, if you have both.
1025[07:50:11] <daftest> somiaj: sadface at login after Wheezy-Jessie update. (I was named "bin-plymouth" 12 hours ago and you tried to help, for which I am very grateful.)
1026[07:50:44] <solrize> yeah if i have local stuff it's generally because i want it to run instead of debian stuff. e.g. gcc 6
1027[07:50:57] <somiaj> daftest: have you tried another desktop/wm that is not gnome?
1028[07:51:27] <daftest> somiaj: good idea: I'm trying to figure out how to do that right now.
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1031[07:51:49] <somiaj> solrize: correct, but this can conflict with debian stuff, and if the local version gets used and is incompadable with debian stuff it may cause a problem (note this is more for stuff like python or core tools, gcc should be fine)
1032[07:52:18] <solrize> hmm ok
1033[07:53:27] <solrize> damn my network started flaking out in the middle of the install
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1035[07:53:50] <somiaj> solrize: I don't have an opion on if I think it would be better for you to reinstall or dist-upgrade. For the most part sounds like you are doing things okay, but a clean isntall will just ensure better practice in the future. Also allow you to use stow or check-install to manage your source isntalls
1036[07:54:04] <solrize> ok i'll read up on those thanks
1037[07:54:14] <solrize> i guess virtualization is a more complex topic
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1041[07:54:39] <somiaj> solrize: and probabaly not what you want, I'm sure you want to install on your physical hardware
1042[07:54:48] <somiaj> solrize: just keep good backups
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1044[07:55:43] <solrize> yeah, haha, my backups currently suck (software raid 1, yeah i know, raid is not backup)... the files are mostly static storage
1045[07:56:35] <somiaj> solrize: I use a usb drive and remote location for my backups. Though I'm bad about connect the drive and running my backup scripts
1046[07:57:11] <solrize> this is 3tb of data
1047[07:57:17] <solrize> and it's a remote machine
1048[07:57:59] <solrize> it's software raid 1 but i can get a storage server at cheaper per gb than the live server, so i was thinking i might convert the live box to raid-0 and back up on remote storage
1049[07:58:10] <solrize> at the moment i'm not out of disk space yet though
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1052[07:58:25] <somiaj> solrize: rsync is nice because only the changes are copied
1053[07:58:31] <solrize> yeah
1054[07:58:46] <somiaj> daftest: a wm like fluxbox, i3, etc will be the simplest thing to test that isn't gnome and see if it is an issue with gnome or xorg.
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1056[07:59:48] <solrize> i was thinking i could have a raid-1 partition of 100gb or so for $HOME (stuff that potentially changes) and another small raid-1 for root, and the rest raid-0 for static files
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1058[07:59:56] <solrize> and then rsync everything to the remote now and then
1059[07:59:59] <daftest> somiaj: i3: cannot open display
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1063[08:00:34] <somiaj> daftest: you would add exec /usr/bin/i3 to your .xsession file and then run startx
1064[08:00:49] <solrize> so that would give me 5000gb or so of usable space instead of 2600gb
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1072[08:03:02] <rozie> solrize: probably JBOD (two separate disks) will be as useful (space) as raid0. and twice less safer
1073[08:03:35] <rozie> I mean raid0 is twice less safe than JBOD
1074[08:03:51] <solrize> yeah i guess... can i do that with partitions? i.e. still have some raid1 space. there's two 3tb drives (3tb = 3e12 bytes = 2600 GiB approx)
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1076[08:04:07] <solrize> yeah i understand, when a jbod drive crashes you lose only half your data :)
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1079[08:04:24] <rozie> yes, you can use partitions in softrai
1080[08:04:28] <rozie> d
1081[08:04:56] <rozie> just make sure they are on different drives ;-)
1082[08:05:20] <rozie> and yes, it's possible to make raid1 build from partitions on the same disk ;-)
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1102[08:12:05] <daftest> somiaj: i don't have an .xsession file, only an .xsession.errors file.
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1115[08:16:17] <daftest> somiaj: also lightdm won't start at least with "lightdm" command, so maybe it's all screwed
1116[08:17:52] <brimonk> Hey, can anyone key me into why 'watch ss | grep tcp' gives me no output, but I can perfectly 'watch ss' fine? I have a feeling it has something to do with it piping the output into grep, but what do I do to get around that?
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1120[08:20:34] <somiaj> daftest: when testing xorg from a console use startx, lightdm should be started via its init script.
1121[08:21:18] <daftest> somiaj: what do you mean "testing"?
1122[08:21:32] <daftest> for now, just brought me to the same sadface
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1125[08:21:58] <somiaj> daftest: I mean I find it easer to get things working with startx than a display manager
1126[08:22:11] <somiaj> daftest: still sounds like you are loading gnome, make sure you .xsession has the wm you want to load
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1128[08:22:27] <daftest> somiaj: I do not have an "xsession" file
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1130[08:22:59] <somiaj> daftest: create on in $HOME if you don't have one, and it is .xsession
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1132[08:25:52] <tripkin> jmcnaught, looks like "ip a flush dev eth0" and a reboot did the trick. Thanks for your assistance and point stuff out to me.
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1135[08:26:02] <daftest> somiaj: Created such a file, no difference. :(
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1151[08:40:06] <daftest> somiaj: I'm in under i3! this should be interesting. Thank you so much!
1152[08:40:34] <somiaj> yea it is just gnome requires opengl to be working fully. could be your card, could be you just need to get your graphics driver sorted out
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1156[08:41:00] <somiaj> there is also the gnome-flashback package for the fallback mode if you really want gnome. There is also mate (gnome2 clone) and cinnimon (gnome-shell fork) that will work
1157[08:41:14] <somiaj> there is also xfce, lxde, and many other wms to choose from.
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1159[08:41:16] <warriorkitty> Can package "build-essentials" be an alias of "build-essential"? I can't tell you how many times I wrote it wrong and I don't think I am the only one. :)
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1174[08:53:32] <solrize> wow, i recompiled one of my programs with gcc 6.1 and it's about 20% faster than it was with gcc 4.8
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1178[08:56:53] <somiaj> solrize: did you compile it with gcc 4.8 or just using the version compiled from debian?
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1183[09:00:46] <venkat_330> after enabling apparmor mqueue not working under normal user
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1194[09:05:41] <solrize> compiled with 4.8 it's a program i wrote not a debian package
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1197[09:06:12] <solrize> but it spends a lot of time in a library so i want to recompile that too :)
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1200[09:06:55] <solrize> i had to muck with the load paths for a long time to get the 6.1 executable to run though
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1247[09:34:02] <brimonk> 4/
1248[09:34:04] <brimonk> Whoops
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1256[09:37:01] <Drzacek> Hello
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1258[09:37:37] <Drzacek> I'm on debian with lxde (?) gui - can someone tell me where are the display settings?
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1273[09:42:57] <fennesz> Hello! is there a way I can monitor io usage for a specific drive ? Also would be interested to see what process is using it . I have already tried iostat and iotop . Would like the combination of those two :)
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1316[10:05:41] <ChrisH> fennesz: atop and press d ??
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1321[10:08:31] <fennesz> ChrisH, let me check
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1324[10:09:56] <ChrisH> fennesz: I like atop for a quick overview check very much.
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1329[10:12:57] <fennesz> can I monitor a specific drive with atop like I can with iostat , ChrisH ?
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1357[10:22:52] <ROMELU> hi
1358[10:23:02] <ROMELU> i'm looking for help
1359[10:23:22] <ROMELU> with a HD corrupted
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1361[10:24:18] <ChrisH> fennesz: dunno... man atop :)
1362[10:24:30] <ChrisH> ROMELU: buy a new one and restore from backup
1363[10:24:39] <ROMELU> :D
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1365[10:25:04] <ROMELU> can you tell any command to check it?
1366[10:25:09] <ChrisH> ROMELU: that is the most specific answer possible to an unspecific question
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1368[10:25:35] <ChrisH> ROMELU: lets start with dmesg and paste it to paste.debian.net
1369[10:25:51] <ROMELU> dmesg /dev/sdc6?
1370[10:26:26] <ChrisH> Just dmesg
1371[10:26:29] <ROMELU> ok
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1373[10:27:48] <ROMELU> replaced-url
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1375[10:29:01] <fennesz> thank you ChrisH
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1377[10:29:58] <ROMELU> ChrisH:
1378[10:30:18] <ROMELU> how can stop terminal windows?
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1380[10:30:33] <ROMELU> dmesg | xxx?
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1382[10:31:36] <ChrisH> ROMELU: ?? check replaced-url
1383[10:32:31] <ROMELU> samsung choose XFS for recording
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1386[10:33:24] <ChrisH> ROMELU: I do not yet see the connect between Debian and Samsung.
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1389[10:33:50] <ROMELU> I can read the disk on linux
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1391[10:34:34] <ROMELU> I can't use xfs_repair, it hangs
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1396[10:37:17] <Iridos> xfs shouldn't be a bad choice, though
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1398[10:37:34] <Iridos> after all, it's not the FS suse chose
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1401[10:38:19] <ROMELU> I need some ideas
1402[10:38:29] <ROMELU> to recover the disk
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1408[10:41:13] <ChrisH> ROMELU: How important are the data on the disk. How much would you invest to get it recovered? There are professionals to do that. My next step would be dd read the disk to check if the disk itself is fine. Then image the data and then start recover work.
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1411[10:42:46] <ROMELU> dd read?
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1419[10:45:16] <ROMELU> ChrisH:
1420[10:45:43] <ROMELU> I need to try things before that
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1424[10:47:22] <ROMELU> is there anything like chkdsk ?
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1428[10:48:32] <ChrisH> ROMELU: dd and xfs_repair
1429[10:48:51] <ROMELU> xfs_repair hangs
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1433[10:51:44] <ChrisH> ROMELU: then you need to check the disk using dd and/opr smartctl ; you could start with smartctl -H /dev/sdc ; I would like to see that output and also lsb_release -a ; lsblk on paste.debian.net please
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1436[10:52:39] <ROMELU> ok
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1440[10:54:47] <ROMELU> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART STATUS RETURN: incomplete response, ATA output registers missing SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED Warning: This result is based on an Attribute check.
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1442[10:56:39] <ROMELU> lsb_release -a dont work
1443[10:57:30] <ROMELU> replaced-url
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1448[10:58:37] <ChrisH> ROMELU: What does uname -a show?
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1451[10:59:05] <jelly> he's booted from a live image of some sort
1452[10:59:16] <ROMELU> Linux wifislax 3.12.36-pae-wifislax #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jan 14 18:09:22 GMT 2015 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 560 @ 2.13GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
1453[11:00:09] <ROMELU> yes, jelly
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1455[11:01:45] <ROMELU> hello?
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1461[11:03:10] <ROMELU> ChrisH:
1462[11:03:22] <jelly> ROMELU: where's your OS supposed to be, also on sdc?
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1466[11:03:42] <ChrisH> ROMELU: Why do you expect in #debian Support for what-ever you booted?
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1471[11:04:22] <ROMELU> i don't know, jelly
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1473[11:05:00] <ROMELU> ChrisH: i need help in linux
1474[11:05:11] <bazhang> ##linux
1475[11:05:22] <ROMELU> i'm on slackware
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1477[11:05:31] <bazhang> or #slackware
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1480[11:06:22] <jelly> ROMELU: try to use the ##linux channel, and find a newer live image for recovery; 3.12 sounds very old and it probably also has very old xfs tools
1481[11:06:55] <ChrisH> ROMELU: dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/null bs=1024k will read the Disk named sdc from the very beginning to check if the Disk itself is fine or not. IF YOU MIX THE OPTIONS IT FILL CLEAR YOUR DISK! be carefull. This is most my last statement on this. and xfs_repair might run for severla hours for a 1TB Disk
1482[11:07:00] <ROMELU> mm
1483[11:07:03] <ChrisH> s/FILL/WILL
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1486[11:07:27] <ROMELU> well
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1489[11:08:45] <ROMELU> dd if=/dev/sdc6 of=/dev/null bs=1024k
1490[11:08:48] <ROMELU> ?
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1495[11:11:01] <alazred> ROMELU, ChrisH said sdc not sdc6... Plz help other help yourself.
1496[11:11:08] <ROMELU> ROMELU> what do you think about : dd if=/dev/sdc6 of=/dev/null bs=1024k
1497[11:11:25] <ROMELU> "absolutely retarded"
1498[11:11:27] <ChrisH> ROMELU: NO!!
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1500[11:12:32] <ChrisH> I carefully wrote sdc and not sdcX
1501[11:13:30] <ROMELU> ok
1502[11:13:33] <ROMELU> dd: error al leer «/dev/sdc»: Error de entrada/salida 1+0 registros leídos 1+0 registros escritos 1048576 bytes (1,0 MB) copiados, 5,61045 s, 187 kB/s
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1508[11:15:28] <jelly> ROMELU: now look at dmesg again and see if there are errors.
1509[11:15:57] <ROMELU> yes, the same
1510[11:16:07] <ROMELU> dd: error al leer «/dev/sdc»: Error de entrada/salida 1+0 registros leídos 1+0 registros escritos 1048576 bytes (1,0 MB) copiados, 5,61045 s, 187 kB/s
1511[11:16:09] <ROMELU> excuse me
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1513[11:16:19] <ROMELU> 9418.343067] XFS (sdc6): xfs_log_force: error 5 returned.
1514[11:16:28] <ROMELU> a lot of lines
1515[11:16:57] <jelly> other than that?
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1518[11:17:34] <ROMELU> yes
1519[11:17:35] <ROMELU> a lot
1520[11:17:39] <ChrisH> Why does xfs complains about a not mounted filesystem? at least from lsblk it is not mounted.
1521[11:17:57] <ChrisH> ROMELU: dmesg | grep -v xfs_log_force and put that onto paste.debian.net
1522[11:18:01] <ROMELU> replaced-url
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1525[11:19:05] <ROMELU> dmesg | grep -v xfs_log_force ----->nothing happens
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1527[11:19:34] <jelly> ROMELU: so you don't actually have any other errors.
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1530[11:20:14] <jelly> ROMELU: boot a newer live cd, something from 2016 preferably. Your issue may be fixed in newer software.
1531[11:20:34] <ROMELU> I tried it
1532[11:21:10] <sauna> Debian OpenLdap setup is very outdated :( (It suggests using like ldapmodify, which I don't have after installing slapd). Any other recommendation where to find help to set up LDAP on deb8.4 ?
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1534[11:21:30] <jelly> ROMELU: tried what? something like debian 8 live? ubuntu 16.04?
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1536[11:21:38] <ROMELU> no
1537[11:21:43] <ROMELU> slackware
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1539[11:22:05] <bazhang> why ask in #debian
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1541[11:22:13] <ROMELU> he problem occurs at a more advanced live
1542[11:22:16] <jelly> ROMELU: we can't help you with slackware. Can you reproduce the issue with debian?
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1545[11:23:48] <ROMELU> I just know that in "linux" i can see xfs files
1546[11:23:54] <jelly> sauna: you installed slapd, the tools are in a different package.
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1548[11:24:11] <jelly> judd: file bin/ldapmodify
1549[11:24:14] <judd> Search for bin/ldapmodify in jessie/amd64: ldap-utils: usr/bin/ldapmodify
1550[11:24:21] <jelly> sauna: install that ^^
1551[11:24:50] <sauna> okayy thanks
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1556[11:27:52] <jelly> ROMELU: there are different linux distributions, and different places to ask for help with them. You're currently in #debian channel that only provides knowledge about Debian distribution
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1558[11:28:28] <jelly> ROMELU: there's a generic Linux channel on this network, /join ##linux
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1564[11:34:18] <sauna> I found this guide: replaced-url
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1569[11:37:49] <MaBunny> guys how do i change my dns server in debian?
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1571[11:38:23] <mflow> How can I install Qt5 webengine in Debian testing?
1572[11:38:51] <colo-work> I'm looking for a tool that does something like pngcruch does for PNG, but for lossy image formats (predom. JPEG) - i. e., heuristically try different compression and quality settings, and then determine which is "optimal" (in terms of size/quality ratio, compared to the source image). is there something like that available (preferably in Debian)?
1573[11:39:03] <ChrisH> sauna: that guide does not use dns, he just uses the dommyu domain unixman.local use sauna.local an be happy
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1580[11:43:44] <mflow> Anyone knows why Debian doesn't yet have Qt 5 Web Engine packaged? I can only find libqt5webkit5
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1588[11:49:56] <ypo> Hello ! Is there a way I can add a second ip address to an interface , so that I can be pinged in both of them ?
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1602[11:58:11] <count> ypo: permanently or just until the next reboot?
1603[11:58:34] <ypo> count, lets say permanent
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1606[11:59:23] <count> ypo: have a look at replaced-url
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1608[11:59:51] <ypo> count: thank you ! appreciate it
1609[11:59:52] <MaBunny> count can you help me change my dns server?
1610[12:00:05] <count> ypo: I personally tends towards the iproute2 manual approach due to clarity
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1612[12:00:21] <count> MaBunny: well, who or what set your DNS server? are you using DHCP?
1613[12:00:33] <MaBunny> yes DHCP
1614[12:00:57] <MaBunny> it was set automatically during installation
1615[12:01:06] <count> then your DHCP admin should do that
1616[12:01:14] <count> what is the problem you are trying to solve?
1617[12:01:18] <MaBunny> im my computers admin
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1619[12:01:37] <MaBunny> i want to access a blocked site
1620[12:02:15] <count> the problem is that the next DHCP lease renewal will override it again if you don't take the necessary measures
1621[12:02:30] <MaBunny> so?
1622[12:02:47] <count> just saying :)
1623[12:02:49] <count> have a look at replaced-url
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1625[12:04:18] <MaBunny> is tht how DNS servers are added?
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1631[12:05:51] <MaBunny> srry a silly question but im bad at networking
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1633[12:07:30] <count> that much is obvious ;)
1634[12:07:47] <count> just follow the instructions there and you'll be fine; for anything else you should read up on it :)
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1642[12:11:44] <MaBunny> so in this line: append domain-name-servers <working DNS IP(s) here>;
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1644[12:12:06] <MaBunny> do i put an IP in between the < and > ?
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1646[12:12:33] <MaBunny> or do i change the domain-name-servers to the websites domain name?\
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1649[12:12:59] <MaBunny> the man pages didnt hav too much on this
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1657[12:15:31] <count> MaBunny: ooookay, you seem to know way less about it than necessary.
1658[12:15:39] <MaBunny> :D
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1660[12:16:02] <MaBunny> im dumb in networking lool
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1662[12:16:29] <count> MaBunny: well, you seem to have decided to stay that way, otherwise you'd be educating yourself instead of trying to get others to help you.
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1664[12:16:49] <MaBunny> im in ahurry
1665[12:16:54] <bazhang> ##networking MaBunny
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1667[12:17:05] <count> MaBunny: the "stupid" solution is putting "supersede domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8;" into /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and get it over with. remove after. good luck.
1668[12:17:16] <bazhang> MaBunny, this is not a learn in a hurry situation
1669[12:17:54] <count> MaBunny: oh, you'll want to restart networking or at least the dhclient. putting "nameserver 8.8.8.8" into /etc/resolv.conf will have the same effect but will be automatically reverted.
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1671[12:18:04] <count> MaBunny: you're at least harming only yourself ...
1672[12:18:08] <MaBunny> so do i put append domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8 in the file
1673[12:18:11] <bazhang> MaBunny, expect at least two-three weeks of intense reading
1674[12:18:28] <MaBunny> ok
1675[12:18:35] <count> MaBunny: that's not what I wrote, and I'll stop responding now :)
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1677[12:19:09] <MaBunny> no...tht site tells to change the DNS server to 8.8.8.8 to get with it
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1680[12:19:55] <bazhang> MaBunny, why continue asking, you need to start reading up on this
1681[12:20:09] <MaBunny> brb thnx for ya help
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1683[12:20:25] <bazhang> be right back?
1684[12:21:01] <count> incredible :D
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1689[12:24:04] <rafalcpp> There was update of linux-image-3.16.0 amd64 released today/yesterday. Why, what changed?
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1692[12:24:30] <rafalcpp> tried reading replaced-url
1693[12:24:54] <rafalcpp> but the newest changelog entry is from "Fri, 08 Apr 2016 11:51:23 +0100" apparently. So what was changed in last days?
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1705[12:30:42] <count> rafalcpp: sure it wasn't just accepted from testing with that change actually being the last?
1706[12:31:00] <dagerik> got [SECURITY] [DSA 3607-1] linux security update 30 mins ago. when are these updates available in repo
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1709[12:31:37] <rafalcpp> count: hmm could be. How to be sure, where is exact changelog with debian versions too?
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1718[12:36:40] <petn-randall> dagerik: Very soon™
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1720[12:36:54] <petn-randall> dagerik: I'm guessing they're still building on the servers as we speak.
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1723[12:38:23] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: /usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.16.0-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz will have the current changelog for that package.
1724[12:39:01] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: I also recommend installing apt-listchanges so it'll show every changelog entry upon upgrade of packages, so you know what was updated.
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1731[12:43:31] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: I have unattended upgrades, deos then apt-listchanges make sense?
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1763[12:58:00] <dka> is there a way to increase shm-size in docker ?
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1767[13:00:16] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Sure. It can distinguish between interactive and non-interactive mode, and will only show it on the former.
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1769[13:00:35] <rafalcpp> oki
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1786[13:07:42] <Diziet> I preferred persistent-net-generator.rules. Has anyone done anything to try to make this available as an option for people in stretch ?
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1791[13:09:35] <jelly> Diziet: stretch? ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org), not here
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1798[13:14:15] <Diziet> jelly: OK, thanks.
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1822[13:28:43] <sauna> umm I made ldap server on localhost and then also configured ldap client on localhost. Logged in as LDAP user Mikko, but now when I use PAM as user, I am authenticated as Mikko. What happened ?
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1825[13:29:08] <sauna> I did not log out from user tho, just ctrl+alt+f2 and logged in as mikko
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1832[13:33:57] <sauna> replaced-url
1833[13:34:00] <sauna> output
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1836[13:36:30] <sauna> nevermind, I put /home/user/mikko as home directory :(
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1842[13:39:45] <sauna> whoami is still giving me "mikko", damn did I mess something up bad ?
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1846[13:40:35] <petn-randall> sauna: I don't understand your problem. Is it the casing you're confused about?
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1848[13:41:48] <sauna> when I added ldap users, I added mikko with home directory as /home/user/mikko. I updated LDAP, did restart, removed everything locally and when I log in, it creates home folder in /home/user/mikko instead of /home/mikko.
1849[13:42:15] <petn-randall> !ask
1850[13:42:15] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1851[13:42:51] <petn-randall> sauna: ^^^ what is your expected behaviour? If you add the home dir as /home/user/mikko, I'd expect it to be such when I log in. Which is exactly your case.
1852[13:43:22] <sauna> I changed the home dir to /home/mikko and still same behaviour
1853[13:43:51] <petn-randall> sauna: How did you configure PAM to use LDAP?
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1855[13:44:05] <petn-randall> sauna: Does the user 'mikko' exist in /etc/passwd?
1856[13:44:52] <sauna> does it have to be there ? tutorial I followed: replaced-url
1857[13:45:53] <gevatter> hi there. so debian resets permissions for some folders managed by apt/dpkg on boot, in my case /var/run/mysqld. i know there is a way to prevent this, but i can't remember how. anybody has a hint? i don't even find the right words to make google helpfull
1858[13:47:18] <sauna> well mikko does not exist in /etc/passwd
1859[13:47:29] <petn-randall> gevatter: They are not 'reset'. That isn't a persitant mount point.
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1861[13:47:49] <petn-randall> *persistent
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1865[13:48:11] <petn-randall> gevatter: Why do you need to change the permissions in the first place?
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1869[13:49:59] <gevatter> ist a vagrant development box and i need to have mysql running as vagrant user
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1874[13:52:22] <gevatter> i change the group of /var/run/mysqld to vagrant and to 775 and after a reboot everythink is like before. something is going on
1875[13:52:27] <petn-randall> sauna: Ok, that's how it's supposed to be. If you log in to your directory service with the credentials from mikko, does that work? Does a lookup of that entry also show the right home dir?
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1877[13:53:16] <petn-randall> gevatter: As I said, /var/run is not persistent.
1878[13:53:43] <mayhew> gevatter: I'm curious why you'd need MySQL to run as the vagrant user?
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1880[13:54:23] <petn-randall> gevatter: /var/run/ is a symlink to /run, and /run is a tmpfs.
1881[13:54:24] <Miesco> The debian vim doesn't have x clipboard support built in?
1882[13:54:54] <petn-randall> Miesco: Depends on which vim you installed.
1883[13:55:02] <Miesco> petn-randall: I don't use X
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1886[13:55:57] <petn-randall> Miesco: Then I don't know what you're asking for.
1887[13:55:59] <petn-randall> !ask
1888[13:55:59] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1889[13:56:19] <bezaban> still depends on which vim you installed. ls -l /etc/alternatives/vim
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1892[13:56:50] * bezaban guesses vim.tiny :)
1893[13:56:57] <Miesco> bezaban: Yea I have that
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1895[13:57:21] <Miesco> bezaban: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 23 19:48 /etc/alternatives/vim -> /usr/bin/vim.nox
1896[13:57:37] <sauna> Okay I ffixed one of the issued. I still have user user, but whoami says mikko, what is happening there -.-
1897[13:57:56] <sauna> login name is still user
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1899[13:58:42] <bezaban> Miesco: you can select from the ones you have installed with sudo update-alternatives --config vi vim.basic works pretty well for me
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1902[13:58:58] <bezaban> the command ends at vi'
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1908[14:00:35] <Miesco> Okay I installed vim gtk
1909[14:01:12] <Miesco> bezaban: vim.basic has -clipboard
1910[14:01:18] <gevatter> petn-randall: the mysql data is located on a shared folder outside the vm and vagrant mounts is as user vagrant
1911[14:01:22] <Miesco> bezaban: `vim.basic --version | grep clipboard'
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1914[14:02:03] <gevatter> how are the permissions vor /var/run set on boot?
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1916[14:02:17] <bezaban> Miesco: and that results in -/+ ? :>
1917[14:02:38] <petn-randall> gevatter: You'd have to check the init script of mysql, or the systemd unit file. I'm guessing the user is set there.
1918[14:02:44] <Miesco> bezaban: ?
1919[14:02:50] <bezaban> ah, nvm. just odd wording
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1921[14:03:08] <Miesco> bezaban: vim-gtk is what I want
1922[14:03:34] <bezaban> Miesco: right. Then I completely misunderstood, I thought you weren't using x and wanted the ability to cut inside vim using the 'x' key
1923[14:04:09] <bezaban> along with visual select
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1926[14:04:40] <bezaban> (or delete, but still goes in buffer)
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1928[14:05:27] <sauna> it says that my uid=1000(mikko) and all else are user, like gid=1000(user), what is the fix here ?
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1933[14:07:24] <petn-randall> sauna: Wait, you created a user called 'user', and then changed that?
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1935[14:07:33] <sauna> nope
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1939[14:09:04] <sauna> I had user: user. Then I logged in with LDAP as mikko, but it changed some stuff from user: user, because I had home dir as /home/user/mikko. Now I fixed that, I have user mikko with home dir /home/mikko, but user is still broken
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1947[14:12:09] <petn-randall> sauna: Can you show the complete output of the ldapsearch command? → replaced-url
1948[14:12:25] <petn-randall> sauna: I'm guessing you're either looking at the wrong attribute, or nscd is still caching the stale entry.
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1953[14:13:40] <sauna> the ldapsearch is okay, but I can copy it. Problem is that the properties of user: user were overwritten and I don't know how to change them back, like uid, groups etc
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1960[14:15:50] <sauna> replaced-url
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1962[14:16:07] <sauna> look in the end, I added the wierd lines ales
1963[14:16:09] <sauna> also
1964[14:16:21] <Yotabyte> Is Debian dead for exotic hardware? RTL8821AE (with a AzureWave chipset) doesn't work _within_ the installer, AMD R9 M275X doesn't work properly, my bluetooth can't connect to anything, my power button does nothing, my external UASP HDD doesn't use UASP anymore, my audio jack doesn't work (It tells me I have to switch a button? seriously?)
1965[14:16:24] <Yotabyte> Where are the FIXES?
1966[14:16:46] <petn-randall> Yotabyte: Are you using the firmware installer?
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1968[14:16:51] <Yotabyte> Yes
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1970[14:17:02] <petn-randall> Yotabyte: jessie?
1971[14:17:05] <Yotabyte> Yes
1972[14:17:07] <Yotabyte> 8.5
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1978[14:18:31] <petn-randall> Yotabyte: There are a few realtek chipsets that don't work at all within Debian, maybe you've got bitten by them. I'd try using a newer kernel, which you can install from jessie-backports. Might also fix some of your other problems, too.
1979[14:19:13] <Yotabyte> So, I need _weeks_ to get my system work properly?
1980[14:19:18] <sauna> probably non-free drivers issue, use aptitude and look for your drivers. If you cannot install properly, boot with any linux system and do debootsrap
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1982[14:19:59] <petn-randall> Yotabyte: Depends on how fast you are with installing a kernel. If you need weeks for that, Debian might not be for you.
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1984[14:20:33] <Yotabyte> It's not me, it's the system with it's config files etc ... what about my GPU? I soubt a new kernel will fix that :(
1985[14:20:40] <Yotabyte> *doubt
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1987[14:21:24] <sauna> You might have to install drivers manually, its not very hard tho
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1989[14:21:26] <petn-randall> Yotabyte: Then use something else. If you want to fix it, we're here to help. If you just want to rant, then this is the wrong channel.
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1996[14:23:58] <petn-randall> sauna: Have you logged out and in again? I would also restart nscd.
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1999[14:24:37] <Yotabyte> Then linux sucks at all if I have to use Google to get everything to work (I'm not a linux noob, but with the prievous versions everything was easier)
2000[14:24:39] <Yotabyte> Bye
2001[14:24:52] <petn-randall> !next
2002[14:24:53] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
2003[14:25:06] <sauna> well all of my files in home directory are owner=mikko group=user ...
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2005[14:25:25] <sauna> But I did restart nscd
2006[14:25:34] <petn-randall> Yotabyte: If you don't even want to install a kernel from backports and reboot to see if it fixes your problem, then Debian is not for you. Probably also computers.
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2011[14:26:39] <sauna> I mean "echo $USER" gives back user and "whoami" returns mikko, I quess this user is fucked
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2013[14:28:34] <greycat> sauna: log out and back in?
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2015[14:28:49] <greycat> sauna: or did you create two user accounts with the same UID but different names?
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2017[14:29:23] <sauna> well LDAP did that I quess, but yeah it seems 2 user accounts with same UID and different names
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2020[14:29:55] <greycat> There you go, that'll do it. The files are owned by your UID number, and ls -l just maps that UID number to one of the account names.
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2022[14:31:07] <sauna> so how does one specify 1 specific user for 1 UID
2023[14:31:24] <greycat> If you're asking about LDAP, I know nothing.
2024[14:31:44] <count> greycat: hey John
2025[14:31:54] <greycat> If one of the accounts is from LDAP and one is local, I'd say you should make your local accounts in the UID range that LDAP is *not* covering.
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2027[14:32:12] <greycat> count: less Game of Thrones, more Hogan's Heroes
2028[14:32:22] <count> greycat: I know nothing.
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2031[14:32:43] <sauna> I actually want to know how to point UID 1000 to user: user and not user:mikko
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2033[14:32:58] <count> fix at least one of the user records in LDAP ;)
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2035[14:33:41] <sauna> I already fixed the LDAP issue ... it is correct, but some shit remain, it is already done, have to fix it :)
2036[14:33:41] <Eduard_Munteanu> UID/GID confusion?
2037[14:33:58] <greycat> I *think* (not sure) he has a local account and an LDAP account both with UID 1000
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2039[14:34:46] <greycat> Not sure which one is which, and I have absolutely no idea how LDAP works, except "as confusingly and non-portably as they can possibly make it"
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2044[14:35:29] <Cuby96> .
2045[14:35:32] <sauna> What if I told you to not think about the LDAP for a sec and say that I just have 2 users with same UID, is there a fix ?
2046[14:35:51] <greycat> Yes. Put them in the desired order in /etc/passwd. The first one in the file will be the one it maps the UID to.
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2048[14:36:55] <Cuby96> Hi there having issues with reconfiguring mysql on my debian machine it tells me to install mysql-server but it said another file isnt installed and then it says package mysql-client-core-5.6 is not avaiable but referred to by another package. can somebody help me?
2049[14:37:10] <greycat> ,v mysql-client-core-5.6
2050[14:37:11] <judd> Package: mysql-client-core-5.6 on amd64 -- sid: 5.6.30-1; stretch: 5.6.30-1
2051[14:37:24] * greycat notes a distinct lack of jessie
2052[14:37:31] <sauna> well, I think I just make a new user, fuck it :D
2053[14:38:01] <Cuby96> so what should i include in my sources.list?
2054[14:38:21] <greycat> If you've already installed non-jessie packages on jessie, it's too late.
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2056[14:38:51] <Cuby96> should i purge mysql entirely then?
2057[14:39:10] <greycat> You should finish your dist-upgrade to stretch, or reinstall.
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2060[14:39:41] <Cuby96> reinstall my system or mysql?
2061[14:39:46] <greycat> System.
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2063[14:40:09] <Cuby96> i will try the dist-upgrade then
2064[14:40:30] <sypher> Cuby96: Good luck.
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2066[14:40:49] <Cuby96> welll i will backup my databases first
2067[14:40:54] <Stummi> Cuby96, am I understanding correctly, you have sid packages on your system and you have no idea how you got them?
2068[14:41:05] <sauna> okay, I got it working -.- LDAP is fucked up tho
2069[14:41:10] <greycat> He probably knows. He just hasn't told us.
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2072[14:41:53] <Cuby96> the problem was that i had apache2 and mysql running on a system and i had a power crash and now my apache and mysql got corrupted for whatever f*cked up reason
2073[14:42:04] <greycat> No, there is more to it than this.
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2076[14:42:40] <Cuby96> and i thought i could fix it by reinstalling apache2 and mysql
2077[14:42:42] <Stummi> well, actually he didn't said what system he has (or what he thinks he has)
2078[14:42:49] <Stummi> Cuby96, which debian version are you running?
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2080[14:42:58] <greycat> We know he has a package that depends on a sid/stretch version of mysql.
2081[14:43:00] <Cuby96> debian jessie
2082[14:43:18] <sauna> I did have wrong UID in the phpldapadmin, changed it and now ok. I only saw the GID in there :(
2083[14:43:23] <greycat> ... and that he *thinks* he's on jessie.
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2085[14:43:50] <Stummi> Cuby96, so it seems you mixed jessie and testing/sid. Don't do that
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2090[14:44:27] <jhg_> hello
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2092[14:44:43] <Cuby96> greycat: PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)"
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2094[14:44:58] <jhg_> I am trying to get systemtap up and running on Debian 8 (jessie) with a custom kernel
2095[14:45:00] <Cuby96> via cat /etc/*-release
2096[14:45:11] <petn-randall> sauna: Remove those users, and re-add them by hand, this time with the correct user names.
2097[14:45:14] <greycat> Cuby96: but at some point in the past, you have installed a package from sid, from stretch, or from a third-party repository that has dependencies on sid or stretch.
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2100[14:45:44] <Cuby96> i cant remember but if you say thats the problem of it maybe
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2103[14:46:15] <jhg_> stap-prep keeps failing, saying that the "Package linux-image-4.5.7-dbg version 1.0.AFS does not match version of currently running kernel"
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2105[14:46:30] <Cuby96> so that means i should do a dist-upgrade to fix that issue?
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2107[14:46:53] <maddawg2> i really HATE the netinstaller
2108[14:46:57] <maddawg2> it FAILS every damn time
2109[14:46:59] <greycat> It depends on just how much damage has been done. If the damage is minimal, a dist-upgrade to stretch might resolve everything.
2110[14:47:00] <maddawg2> i dont know why
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2113[14:47:09] <maddawg2> it's like either every mirror is corrupt or some crap
2114[14:47:17] <maxigas> is it just me? Failed to fetch replaced-url
2115[14:47:25] <greycat> !httpredir issues
2116[14:47:25] <dpkg> The <httpredir> service selects bad mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly choosing a mirror: "deb replaced-url
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2120[14:48:13] <greycat> maxigas: in *your* case, you have the wrong domain name.
2121[14:48:16] <jelly> maxigas: it's either "httpredir.debian.org" or older name "http.debian.net"
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2123[14:49:16] <maxigas> ah great, thanks!
2124[14:49:30] <Cuby96> greycat: i dont find a tut for dist-upgrade my jessie system, is that custom made then?
2125[14:49:38] <greycat> !jessie->stretch
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2127[14:49:48] <greycat> *shrug*
2128[14:49:49] <jelly> dpkg, jessie->stretch
2129[14:49:49] <dpkg> First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
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2131[14:49:57] <greycat> Oh, is that *still* broken?
2132[14:50:01] <jelly> nod
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2135[14:50:22] <maxigas> :)
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2139[14:50:46] <maddawg2> if i want to do an offline install of debian (not using the netinstall) do I need ALL 3 ISOs listed here: replaced-url
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2142[14:51:01] <greycat> Depends on what packages you are trying to install.
2143[14:51:07] <maddawg2> lol
2144[14:51:15] <greycat> An offline install of the *basic* system will not need more than a single .iso.
2145[14:51:28] <maddawg2> which would be ISO 1 i assume
2146[14:51:31] <greycat> correct
2147[14:51:37] <maddawg2> i plan to add the packages myself later
2148[14:51:44] <maddawg2> i need a few minor things but not much
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2150[14:51:59] <maddawg2> like the debian desktop environment is really all I need
2151[14:52:10] <Cuby96> greycat: meh well im on ssh on that system so it would quite hard to achieve a stretch from my system
2152[14:52:20] <maddawg2> i'd love to use the netinstall but it keeps failing
2153[14:52:32] <maddawg2> i dont know why
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2155[14:52:53] <maddawg2> internet connection is fine... 1gbps symmetrical
2156[14:53:05] <maddawg2> dedicated
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2158[14:53:18] <greycat> I still think the most likely issue is httpredir being a stupid dummy.
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2161[14:54:06] <greycat> Of course it would help if you'd say what actual problem you have.
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2163[14:54:28] <Cuby96> greycat: well i can't get access to my database as the mysql.service isnt running
2164[14:54:33] <jelly> maddawg2: wired or wireless?
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2168[14:55:57] <Cuby96> greycat: well and then i removed mysql and now i cant reinstall it back
2169[14:56:08] <greycat> That would explain why it's not running.
2170[14:56:24] <Cuby96> yes
2171[14:56:42] <Cuby96> it didnt worked even before the uninstalling due to that crash i had
2172[14:56:52] <DammitJim> anyone familiar with ntop?
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2174[14:58:44] <jelly> Cuby96: is there a leftover mysqld process still running somewhere?
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2176[14:59:55] <Cuby96> jelly i will have a quick look over it
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2178[15:00:48] <Cuby96> jelly: no there isnt any mysqld process running
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2182[15:05:12] <Cuby96> jelly: any idea how i could fix this issue i have?
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2186[15:05:39] <greycat> put testing in sources, apt-get update, apt-get -f install, etc.
2187[15:05:56] <greycat> (or "stretch" instead of testing if you eventually want to converge on the next stable)
2188[15:07:11] <Cuby96> isnt stretching being an issue?
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2191[15:07:24] <greycat> The other choice is to reinstall jessie.
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2193[15:07:45] <Cuby96> im connected via ssh to that machine :(
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2214[15:12:48] <sauna> What could be the drawbacks of using "pip install Django==1.9.7" vs apt-get -t jessie-backports install python3-django ?
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2219[15:14:17] <ChrisH> sauna: no security support from Debian and a good chance not beeing able to upgrade to the next debian release
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2249[15:21:21] <jelly> sauna: sure, use pip, but do it as normal user, inside a virtualenv
2250[15:22:05] <jelly> that way it won't affect package upgrades and when it breaks, it will only break within its own virtualenv
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2252[15:22:35] <ayaka_naeuri> Getting a fatal error on Xserver (Failed to activate core devices.(EE)) anyone able to help me troubleshoot?
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2258[15:24:44] <sauna> that is an excellent point jelly
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2261[15:25:35] <towo^work> ayaka_naeuri, too less informations
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2268[15:25:57] <ayaka_naeuri> What informations do you need?
2269[15:26:23] <Putti> What to do with this: replaced-url
2270[15:26:28] <towo^work> what graphics hardware, which debian version, the whole Xorg.0.log on a pastebin
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2272[15:26:55] <towo^work> ayaka_naeuri, ^^
2273[15:27:05] <ayaka_naeuri> That last one might be difficult
2274[15:27:12] <towo^work> why?
2275[15:27:25] <towo^work> you don't have a tty?
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2278[15:27:38] <ayaka_naeuri> What's a tty?
2279[15:27:55] <greycat> A terminal where you can type commands.
2280[15:28:02] <towo^work> textbased terminal, the black thing what you see, if you don't start the xserver?
2281[15:28:22] <ayaka_naeuri> I have a terminal up, just not sure how I can get it onto pastebin
2282[15:28:45] <greycat> usually by running some esoteric curl command, or installing a package like pastebinit
2283[15:28:50] <towo^work> ayaka_naeuri, apt install pastebinit && pastebinit < /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2284[15:29:15] <jelly> SYNOPSIS
2285[15:29:15] <jelly> <command> | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' replaced-url
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2293[15:31:59] <ayaka_naeuri> Looks like my net drivers may not have come up
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2295[15:32:28] <ayaka_naeuri> Logged into irc off my phone not a tty client
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2300[15:33:00] <uwjesq> Hello.
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2306[15:35:13] <uwjesq> I have this server that does show an ipv6 adress in ifconfig and dns in v6 seems to work but when I do ping -6 glportal.de it does not answer and when I run an online test it says my webserver does not work for ipv6.
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2326[15:47:36] <ayaka_naeuri> Ok, so running the latest Debian 8 version with a mGTX770 and this for the xserver log replaced-url
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2333[15:51:18] <ayaka_naeuri> Also, checked my disk space, looks like root is full
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2336[15:52:02] <ayaka_naeuri> What's the best way to clean root out free up some
2337[15:52:09] <ayaka_naeuri> space*
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2340[15:52:31] <greycat> for most people, "apt-get clean" or "apt-get autoclean"
2341[15:52:58] <greycat> beyond that, you can look for outrageously huge logs and clobber them, or look for temp files, or delete some of your porn
2342[15:53:02] <ayaka_naeuri> that worked thanks, trying x again
2343[15:53:20] <ayaka_naeuri> X-server booted
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2348[15:56:28] <ayaka_naeuri> Also, no pron and tried nuking /tmp/ before I came to you guys
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2395[16:14:55] <sauna> I did "git clone --bare ssh://remote/repo.git/ . " and it says warning: You have cloned empty repository, but everything is cloned , not empty
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2419[16:28:23] <DammitJim> is there any reason why a cron job would run every minute for an hour?
2420[16:28:31] <uwjesq> DammitJim: Yes.
2421[16:28:33] <DammitJim> I have scheduled it with * 10 28 * *
2422[16:28:39] <greycat> * means every.
2423[16:28:47] <DammitJim> DAMMIT
2424[16:28:48] <greycat> * 10 is 10:00 10:01 10:02 ... 10:59
2425[16:28:50] <DammitJim> I"m an idiot
2426[16:28:59] <DammitJim> I knew this last year!!!!
2427[16:29:12] <DammitJim> so, it should be 0 10 28 * *
2428[16:29:20] <DammitJim> holy crap! something so simple
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2432[16:30:16] <uwjesq> DammitJim: Not like the cron devs have gone out of their way to make it intuitive.
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2436[16:30:34] <DammitJim> no, it is intuitive, it's just stupidity on my side
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2438[16:30:42] <greycat> I still have to look up the order of fields every time I use one other than minute/hour.
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2461[16:35:59] <Cuby96> greycat: i went to the guys from ##linux and they couldnt help me out getting mysql to work, are they any other possibilities rather than reinstall and stretch?
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2466[16:36:49] <greycat> Cuby96: Yes. You could invoke a magic spell and wish the problem away.
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2469[16:37:29] <Cuby96> greycat: no need to be sarcastic here but fine i will still try to fix it as im not really in the mood for setting every back up
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2486[16:45:02] <maddawg2> jelly the machine i'm installing debian on is wired
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2488[16:45:28] <maddawg2> i'm installing it on a hyper-v server but for somereason the netinstall fails everytime
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2490[16:45:32] <maddawg2> i dont know why
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2492[16:45:52] <maddawg2> it's online able to access the mirrors starts retrieving files and does so up to a point then it just fails
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2501[16:49:25] <jelly> maddawg2: switch to alt-f3 or wherever the log from d-i is visible, pastebin a screenshot
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2504[16:49:52] <maddawg2> ok just a sec
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2506[16:50:13] <jelly> maddawg2: does it just hang, or does it fail and return an error message?
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2509[16:50:25] <maddawg2> it fails
2510[16:50:29] <maddawg2> with an error
2511[16:51:06] <maddawg2> says "An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item from the menu or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is Select and Install software"
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2514[16:52:04] <maddawg2> jelly i'm starting it over now
2515[16:52:47] <maddawg2> jelly: is there a preferred mirror from the list you like...
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2517[16:52:55] <maddawg2> the first one fails
2518[16:52:58] <maddawg2> ftp.debian one
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2520[16:53:07] <maddawg2> and csail also failed
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2525[16:53:55] <jhutchins> maddawg2: Are you sure your disks are in good shape and you have plenty of space?
2526[16:54:11] <maddawg2> i have over 320GB and it's an ISO
2527[16:54:20] <maddawg2> downloaded from the web browser
2528[16:54:24] <maddawg2> it's not on a CD
2529[16:54:27] <maddawg2> and the md5 is the same
2530[16:54:33] <maddawg2> so pretty sure it's not corrupt
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2536[16:56:01] <jhutchins> maddawg2: I'd go with jelly's suggestion and hunt for logs, try to figure out why it's failing.
2537[16:56:04] <maddawg2> it installs the base system
2538[16:56:13] <maddawg2> i'm trying to do it again so i can do that
2539[16:56:22] <maddawg2> it's installing the base system now
2540[16:56:25] <jhutchins> maddawg2: Well, if it does that tne you're all set, you can build a full system from there.
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2542[16:56:50] <jhutchins> maddawg2: You are installing jessie/8.5, right?
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2547[16:58:29] <RebelCoderW> Рун\
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2549[16:58:36] <RebelCoderW> Upsss.
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2563[17:02:57] <jelly> maddawg2: you can also give up on the installer, deselect all the Tasks and use the base system. It may be easier to figure out why/which mirrors are broken and edit sources.list manually
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2566[17:03:27] <jelly> maddawg2: when you find one that works, you can run "tasksel" from the installed machine
2567[17:03:54] <jelly> RebelCoderW: no running in here please
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2604[17:18:28] <Circuitsoft> Hello - I'm trying to install, on Jessie, a package that depends on "sun-java6-jre | sun-java5-jre". I've done make-jpkg on a newer download of the JRE. Is there a way to install a "stub" package for one of those to satisfy the package dependencies?
2605[17:18:33] <x032cx> electronics online up in flames or tids.what not
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2619[17:28:44] <scootergrisen> Is i run Firefox and start ChatZilla from Firefox and then close main window and then i press SUPER key and type firefox and hit ENTER. Firefox will not start a Firefox main window because ChatZilla is already open.
2620[17:29:10] <tripkin> Hello! Yesterday when I rebooted my computer, I lost my network card eth0. I ended up flushing it using "ip a flush dev eth0" and after a reboot I was able to use it again. Ever since then some sshfs mounts in fstab will not work. If I try to mount the location as root I get "read: Connection reset by peer" and if I try to mount as the user I get "only root can mount ...". I am part of the fuse group on both systems. Can anyone help?
2621[17:29:20] <scootergrisen> But if i press SUPER key and start the Iceweasel>Firefox shortcut it will open
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2624[17:31:01] <daftest> Hello guys. Updated Wheezy to Jessie and after boot i got a sadface and "can't recover" on boot. thanks to help from great people on this channel, I've got the system working on i3. Any ideas on how to fix gnome? Should I reinstall it?
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2627[17:31:23] <daftest> thanks again Somiaj :)
2628[17:31:44] <tripkin> scootergrisen, I think that is normal behaviour.
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2632[17:32:13] <fennesz> hello ! out of curiosity I have a new verbatim store n save 2tb drive. I have formated it to ext4 and the drive was constantly spinning for no reason ( the led was also blinking indicating access ) I have reformatted it to ntfs with verbatims software and now the drive stays idle? I am using Debian 8 x64 . What might be the issue?
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2635[17:33:08] <HD|Laptop> Hi, can I do "reverse port forwarding" with SSH? Like, there is a webserver on my laptop on port 80, and on the "real" server I want to connect localhost:8080 and the connection will go through ssh to the laptop?
2636[17:33:16] <tripkin> I just love those guys that ask a question and are gone 2 minutes later!
2637[17:33:30] <NoImNotNineVolt> hi. i have a windows "domain controller" or something like that, an ldap server, whatever it's called (i'm not a sysadmin), and i'd like a debian box to accept login credentials for accounts that exist on that "domain"...
2638[17:33:49] <NoImNotNineVolt> i.e. set up an ldap client on debian box and point it at the windows ldap server?
2639[17:34:04] <NoImNotNineVolt> (i know nothing about "domains" or ldap, so apologies for sounding like an idiot)
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2642[17:35:56] <curtis22> HD|Laptop replaced-url
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2648[17:38:05] <jhutchins> NoImNotNineVolt: Not a trivial project, basically you want to set up sssd and pam to accept ldap authentication.
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2653[17:40:29] <jhutchins> NoImNotNineVolt: replaced-url
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2668[17:45:03] <NoImNotNineVolt> jhutchins: thanks!
2669[17:45:19] <NoImNotNineVolt> i was looking at replaced-url
2670[17:45:40] <NoImNotNineVolt> e.g. ldap/pam vs ldap/nss
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2673[17:47:40] <ioudas> NoImNotNineVolt samba handles this by default within debian if you install samba. Samaba configs can use idmap, rid or a few others.
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2675[17:48:14] <ioudas> NoImNotNineVolt replaced-url
2676[17:48:16] <jhutchins> ioudas: I don't believe that samba/winbind handles local shell logins, just CIFS share access.
2677[17:48:20] <ioudas> it does
2678[17:48:22] <ioudas> jhutchins
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2680[17:48:40] <ioudas> samba option domain logons = yes
2681[17:48:55] <ioudas> automaitcally adds pam rules etc.
2682[17:49:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> but doesn't that do all sorts of other things too?
2683[17:49:48] <ioudas> depends how you configure samba.
2684[17:49:53] <ioudas> you can just run winbind
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2686[17:50:02] <NoImNotNineVolt> sounds like a solution that's potentially bigger than i need.
2687[17:50:03] <ioudas> to do ldap conversion to passwd
2688[17:50:13] <ioudas> you choice ;-)
2689[17:50:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> this isn't for logon shells, necessarily.
2690[17:50:36] <NoImNotNineVolt> there's some web stuff running, and it accepts local creds for login...
2691[17:50:52] <NoImNotNineVolt> but i'm not trying to create accounts on this box for everyone in our organization...
2692[17:51:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> so all i need is to "integrate" it with "activedirectory"
2693[17:51:29] <ioudas> fair enough. Like i said samba can do that.
2694[17:51:35] <ioudas> your hoice.
2695[17:51:41] <NoImNotNineVolt> but from past experience, samba can do a lot of other things too.
2696[17:51:46] <NoImNotNineVolt> i'm looking for the smallest possible solution.
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2698[17:51:56] <ioudas> i think thats samba still
2699[17:51:57] <ioudas> imho
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2704[17:54:03] <NoImNotNineVolt> i'll read up on both, then.
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2706[17:54:10] <NoImNotNineVolt> doesn't help that i know nothing about auth.
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2708[17:54:42] <jhutchins> The environments I've worked in used the sssd/pam solution, not winbind/samba, but I haven't been responsible for implementing it.
2709[17:55:19] <jhutchins> I know in Centos 6 there's a "not quite as documented" step.
2710[17:55:24] <NoImNotNineVolt> i think the only gotcha is that i need all users-from-ldap to be added to a certain group
2711[17:55:42] <ioudas> samba can use sssd pam or ldap.
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2713[17:55:44] <NoImNotNineVolt> [web thing controls permissions based on groups]
2714[17:55:50] <ioudas> yeah you need to specify ou on what ever you use
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2718[17:56:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> ou? that sounds very ldap-y.
2719[17:56:46] * NoImNotNineVolt is not looking forward to this
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2721[17:57:09] <ioudas> ou normally is in reference to active directory org
2722[17:57:16] <jhutchins> It's a bit of a project, more than just an irc walkthrough, but not all that hard.
2723[17:57:41] <NoImNotNineVolt> thankfully there's nobody breathing down my neck this time :P
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2725[17:58:21] <Skiiro> Hi all! before beggining sorry for my poor english skills. I will try to do my best. I got a issue with debian 7.11. So i tryed to start a script with su right at debian startup. I found the way to start without su right but I didn't found with su right. Someone can help me please?
2726[17:58:44] <count> Skiiro: sudo script
2727[17:58:45] <greycat> Skiiro: put the su command in rc.local. su username -c 'your command'
2728[17:59:00] <count> ah. sorry. right.
2729[17:59:08] <greycat> if you use sudo instead of su, then (1) you have to install sudo, and (2) it's sudo -u username your command
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2733[17:59:32] <greycat> note that the command has to be quoted as a single argument for su, but not for sudo
2734[17:59:57] <Skiiro> @greycat : but that will not ask me the password ?
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2737[18:00:18] <greycat> No, because you are root.
2738[18:00:19] <jhutchins> Skiiro: are you trying to automate this in a startup script?
2739[18:00:33] <greycat> You use su to drop DOWN from root to a regular user in boot scripts.
2740[18:00:37] <jhutchins> sudo/su are for interactive sessions.
2741[18:00:40] <greycat> No.
2742[18:00:42] <greycat> No they are not.
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2748[18:01:40] <NoImNotNineVolt> i `sudo sudo -u some_nonroot_user foo` all the time.
2749[18:01:49] <NoImNotNineVolt> from non-interactive sessions.
2750[18:02:04] <Skiiro> Sorry, I'm a begginer as Linux. My company ask me to run a script at startup of the computer. But this program needs the rootright for work. So thanks you all i will try this :)
2751[18:02:27] <greycat> Skiiro: it's ALREADY root. You don't need sudo or su to go from root to root.
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2753[18:02:41] <greycat> All boot scripts run as root. You use su in them to DROP DOWN to a NON-root user.
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2755[18:03:17] <NoImNotNineVolt> maybe he's putting it in ~/.bashrc?
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2758[18:04:08] <miesco_> How would one get gpg 2.1?
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2761[18:04:30] <Skiiro> I used the graphical way to start the script : ->Application -> System tools -> Preferences -> startup application
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2764[18:05:01] <NoImNotNineVolt> miesco_: 2.0.30 is the latest release of gpg.
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2766[18:05:23] <NoImNotNineVolt> ah, sorry, the 'modern' version.
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2769[18:05:49] <NoImNotNineVolt> miesco_: replaced-url
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2772[18:08:33] <miesco_> NoImNotNineVolt: Is there a more debian way?
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2776[18:09:32] <NoImNotNineVolt> there are 2.1 packages in experimental.
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2779[18:09:36] <NoImNotNineVolt> replaced-url
2780[18:09:51] <Skiiro> Someone can tell me where I can found .rc.local please?
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2782[18:10:12] <NoImNotNineVolt> in /etc/
2783[18:10:14] <greycat> /etc/rc.local
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2785[18:10:32] <simonlnu> not a dot file ;)
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2787[18:10:41] <Skiiro> greycat, NoImNotNiceBolt ty
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2794[18:11:53] <cheapie> Which register name in setpci corresponds to the PMCSR register? I can't find it anywhere, and I have a PCI card that I need to manually put in D3.
2795[18:11:53] <julius_> hi
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2797[18:12:38] <julius_> im still struggling on jessie with fluid x264 playback on a i5-6200U. is this possible on testing?
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2807[18:16:51] <Skiiro> Guys, i'm sorry but that didn't worked. I add on my script "exit 0" and I add on rc.local "sudo -u root -c /home/Skiiro/Script/myScript.sh".
2808[18:17:01] <miesco_> NoImNotNineVolt: Can I backport experimental?
2809[18:17:06] <greycat> You DON'T NEED TO SUDO FROM ROOT TO ROOT
2810[18:17:29] <greycat> And if your script only has exit 0, how do you even know whether it ran?
2811[18:18:21] <Skiiro> @greycat so on rc.local i just need to add my script?
2812[18:18:27] <greycat> rc.local is executed as root. Yes.
2813[18:18:45] <greycat> And you conflated the su syntax (-c) with the sudo syntax (no -c no quoting).
2814[18:19:03] <Skiiro> @greycat : Ok i will try, ty
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2827[18:28:10] <Skiiro> Ok, so tryed to add in rc.local "/home/Skiiro/Script/myScript.sh". That didn't start my application at the startup. I'm lost currently ...
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2837[18:32:27] <jhutchins> Skiiro: Is your script executable? Does it have a correct interpreter in the header?
2838[18:32:56] <jhutchins> Skiiro: Can you run the script from a shell?
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2841[18:33:39] <jhutchins> Skiiro: Does _everything_ in the script use a full path?
2842[18:33:59] <Skiiro> @jhutchins Yes i can but at a moment i got a issue because i haven't the root right
2843[18:34:10] <Skiiro> And when i started as root user that works
2844[18:34:26] <Skiiro> Yes everything is in full path
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2847[18:36:22] <kfogel> On my Debian GNU/Linux recently dist-upgraded 'testing' distro system, I've been running GNOME 3 for a long time (and I log in the typical way, via GDM on startup). But on a whim just now I decided to try "apt-get install gnome", and was surprised at what happend:
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2849[18:36:44] <jmcnaught> Skiiro: what does the script do, what program is it launching? also you can use a tool like logger (in the bsdutils package) in the script to have it log a message to syslog everytime it runs
2850[18:36:50] <kfogel> Instead of saying "gnome is already the latest version" or something like that, it offered to install a bunch of packages!
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2852[18:37:29] <jmcnaught> kfogel: gnome is a meta-package that doesn't have anything in it itself, it depends on a bunch of packages that together compose a typical GNOME environment
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2854[18:38:32] <Skiiro> @jmcnaught : My program just get the new version of a sofware by ftp , then compile it and execute it. The software must be executed in root mod because it's used serial port
2855[18:38:41] <Skiiro> script*
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2857[18:39:10] <kfogel> jmcnaught: thank you. The reason I tried it was that last night, as part of an installation of Debian onto a totally new desktop box, I for some reason didn't get a GDM login screen on final bootup, but instead a console login. (Now, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target" also segfaults, so maybe there's something deeper going on there.) But on that box, after I did an explicit "apt-get install gnome", I was at least abl
2858[18:39:10] <kfogel> e to do "systemctl start gdm.service" and get a GDM screen.
2859[18:39:17] <jmcnaught> Skiiro: so this is a program that runs in the background, not a GUI application?
2860[18:39:30] <NoImNotNineVolt> ftp over serial port? oldschool.
2861[18:39:32] <Skiiro> jmcnaught GUI application
2862[18:39:58] <Skiiro> nop ftp by ethernet but the software used serial port to communicate
2863[18:40:06] <Skiiro> it's a old project ^^
2864[18:40:44] <jmcnaught> Skiiro: rc.local is not a very good place to start a GUI application. You want to either use your desktop environment's menu options for autostarting, or make a .desktop file for the program and put it in /etc/xdg/autostart (if wheezy has this)
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2866[18:41:36] <greycat> You can't start GUI apps in rc.local because at the time that runs, there *isn't* a GUI.
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2869[18:41:49] <jmcnaught> kfogel: i'm not using stretch on any desktop systems right now, but the folks in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net might be more familiar with what's going on with testing right now
2870[18:42:18] <kfogel> jmcnaught: *nod* Thanks; I may check over there.
2871[18:42:49] <Skiiro> jmcnaught: Currently i used the desktop way for start my application at startup : Application -> System tools -> Preferences -> Start application. And that work but the solftware throw a issue : Impossible to open the serial port.
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2874[18:43:04] <Skiiro> @greycat :/
2875[18:43:22] <julius_> Skiiro, by ftp? really...there are securer alternatives
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2877[18:43:34] <greycat> Add your user to the "dialout" group which has read/write permissions on the serial ports.
2878[18:43:37] <jmcnaught> Skiiro: sounds like a permission issue. is your user a member of the dialout group?
2879[18:43:40] <greycat> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 64 Jun 28 06:06 /dev/ttyS0
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2883[18:44:36] <Skiiro> greycat, jmcnaught : No, I don't know how to do that :/
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2885[18:44:54] <greycat> adduser yourname dialout
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2888[18:45:24] <Skiiro> greycat: Ok i will try it.
2889[18:45:33] <jmcnaught> kfogel: it's likely that the gnome metapackage was removed on your system at some point because you removed one of its dependencies, like the iceweasel package for example
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2894[18:48:00] <kfogel> jmcnaught: Quite likely. I ran the script replaced-url
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2896[18:48:20] <ShinyObjects> Hey all - I'm probably in the wrong channel but would like to find the right one. I've had what looks like massive file system corruption and would like to know what tools to use to recover what I can
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2898[18:48:47] <kfogel> jmcnaught: I wish that apt-get had some option for "--yes except if it would cause the removal of named package X, Y, or Z" :-).
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2900[18:49:24] <kfogel> Hey ShinyObjects. Not sure this channel is the right place. Definitely don't use that disk for now.
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2903[18:49:51] <kfogel> ShinyObjects: whatever recovery tool you use, it's likely to get the maximum data if you keep that disk cold until you run the tool(s) on it.
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2905[18:49:58] <jmcnaught> kfogel: seems like that script could be simplified using something like "dpkg --set-selections"
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2907[18:50:03] <ShinyObjects> kfogel: indeed on both counts. Any idea where a better place to look would be?
2908[18:50:12] <kfogel> jmcnaught: I will look into it! Thank you.
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2911[18:50:23] <kfogel> ShinyObjects: Other than DuckDuckGo, Google, etc, no, I don't know.
2912[18:50:33] <ShinyObjects> Ok. Thank you for your help kfogel
2913[18:50:47] <kfogel> Good luck ShinyObjects.
2914[18:50:56] <ShinyObjects> :)
2915[18:50:58] <jmcnaught> ShinyObjects: step one should be to make an image of the entire drive or partition you want to save onto another drive, and then work on the copy
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2917[18:51:32] <Skiiro> That works !! Ty all :)
2918[18:51:34] <ShinyObjects> jmcnaught: definitely - I've dd'd it to another machine across the network last night. Thanks for the tip
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2920[18:52:05] <Skiiro> Bye all :)
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2922[18:52:23] <jmcnaught> ShinyObjects: then there are tools like photorec and testdisk in Debian for data recovery (and fsck of course)
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2926[18:53:13] <ShinyObjects> jmcnaught: my first thought was to use fsck, but that resulted in: EXT4-fs (sdb7): group descriptors corrupted!
2927[18:53:17] <ShinyObjects> when I tried to mount it ><
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2933[18:55:37] <ShinyObjects> I'm in the process of checking for backup superblocks. We'll see :\
2934[18:55:49] <jmcnaught> ShinyObjects: i'm not terribly well versed with data recovery, my strategy is 1) replace broken disk. 2) restore from backups
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2936[18:56:19] <ShinyObjects> Indeed. That's mostly mine too.
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2938[18:56:40] <ShinyObjects> My problem is every time I do that there's *something* vital that I left out of the backups.
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2940[18:56:59] <ShinyObjects> I get 99% of what I care about but there's always that 1% that I'd really wished I hadn't forgotten
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2942[18:57:03] <jmcnaught> ShinyObjects: if you have ample space, you could consider working on a copy of the copy, so that if you do more harm than good you can make another copy of the copy (not a copy of the fragile original)
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2946[18:57:44] <ShinyObjects> jmcnaught: I'm a bit space limited. I have the copy and I'm leaving that untouched, working on the original with the copy as my backup.
2947[18:57:50] <ShinyObjects> Good idea though
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2954[18:59:40] <julius_> hi
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2960[19:03:53] <julius_> my sid system which was installed with debootstrap is complaining right after the grub screen at boot time that root= is wrong. this is the grub entry: replaced-url
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2963[19:04:20] <julius_> im sure that it is on the logical volume...ubuntu15.04
2964[19:04:21] <mixxit> hiya anyone using firefox on kde5 with stretch?
2965[19:04:28] <mixxit> im having trouble dragging tabs out of it
2966[19:04:32] <vook> Any ideas of a method I can use to determine the process opening a port other than using fuser or netstat (which isn't returning any meaningful info). I have an open port (45078) on a system but can't figure out what process opened it.
2967[19:05:05] <count> vook: sudo lsof -nP
2968[19:05:06] <julius_> vook, netstat is deprecated, use ss
2969[19:05:07] <vook> It accepts connections via telnet and I can see output on the server when I run tcpdump.
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2971[19:05:22] <count> wow, didn't know ss
2972[19:06:06] <julius_> vook, and what parameters did you use with netstat?
2973[19:06:21] <unborn> vook.. its 2016.. not 1980s.. ssh would be much better choice.. telnet is just - bad
2974[19:06:31] <vook> netstat -tulpn | grep 45078
2975[19:06:39] <vook> unborn: telnet to test an open port
2976[19:06:40] <count> unborn: you mean nc -z ;)
2977[19:06:42] <vook> or nc
2978[19:07:01] <vook> count: it returns : tcp LISTEN 0 64 *:45078 *:*
2979[19:07:13] <vook> ss returns the same so far
2980[19:07:17] <greycat> lsof -i :45078
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2982[19:07:28] <vook> greycat: no output
2983[19:07:33] <greycat> as root.
2984[19:07:34] <count> rootkit
2985[19:07:38] <vook> yes
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2987[19:08:15] <unborn> heh
2988[19:08:15] <count> take the box offline, make a copy for forensics, reinstall ;)
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2990[19:08:24] <unborn> root kit I would say as well
2991[19:08:30] <unborn> pull cable off
2992[19:08:34] <count> may want to take a memory image
2993[19:08:46] <vook> hmm, ok. Thanks
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2995[19:09:13] <count> good luck
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3003[19:11:49] <unborn> vook: have look at /var/log
3004[19:11:57] <unborn> as well as part of investigation
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3011[19:14:09] <vook> chkrootkit package is returning something...the suckit rootkit in /sbin/init. Not sure how accurate it is though. :/ Yeah, this thing gets slammed by root force attempts all the time and has less security minded devs accessing it.
3012[19:14:24] <vook> *brute force
3013[19:15:07] <vook> may be false positive
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3015[19:15:37] <somiaj> wonder if it is complaining the /bin/init is a link to systemd
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3019[19:16:50] <fennesz> Hello ! Can someone tell why my external drive (just formated as ext4) is constantly spinning ? The led also blinks constantly. Any help pls?
3020[19:17:16] <somiaj> maybe iotop can tell you what is regurally reading/writing to your drive
3021[19:17:19] <greycat> Try fuser or lsof, or something of that nature, to see what processes are accessing it.
3022[19:17:30] <somiaj> also check your memeory ussage, if you are using swap you may beh a high io load
3023[19:17:45] <somiaj> oh external, won't be swap then
3024[19:17:53] <greycat> I think he would know if he had swapon'ed an external drive. This isn't Windows.
3025[19:17:53] <fennesz> its external
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3027[19:18:58] <fennesz> iotop gives me general usage of io . Can I specify the hdd to monitor?
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3031[19:19:24] <fennesz> Ah there is this command : ext4lazyinit
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3033[19:19:27] <unborn> fennesz: you can do it spin down or turn it off after few minutes.. turning off will save you power and disk as well.
3034[19:19:45] <greycat> No manual entry for ext4lazyinit
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3036[19:20:18] <greycat> You have searched for filenames that contain ext4lazyinit in suite jessie, all sections, and all architectures.
3037[19:20:21] <greycat> Sorry, your search gave no results
3038[19:20:30] <scwizard> hey I'm having some font issues
3039[19:20:33] <scwizard> fc-list | grep 'Times New Roman' <- this gives me nothing
3040[19:20:41] <jmcnaught> fennesz: replaced-url
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3043[19:20:58] <fennesz> I have found this : replaced-url
3044[19:21:08] <scwizard> however on another server that uses a different distribution of linux which I didn't set up, I get:
3045[19:21:09] <scwizard> Times New Roman:style=Regular,Normal,obyčejné,Standard,Κανονικά,Normaali,Normál,Normale,Standaard,Normalny,Обычный,Normálne,Navadno,thường,Arrunta
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3047[19:21:34] <jmcnaught> fennesz: sounds to me like it's still doing the lazy initialization that you can disable with the mkfs.ext4 command's options
3048[19:21:34] <scwizard> i've already done: sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
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3056[19:22:12] <greycat> Damned kernel processes.
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3058[19:22:15] <fennesz> jmcnaught, will it ever stop ?
3059[19:22:22] <fennesz> :)
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3063[19:23:19] <scwizard> ok i see what happened -.-
3064[19:23:29] <scwizard> because it installed the ttf-mscorefonts-installer via ansible
3065[19:23:32] <scwizard> it didn't accept the eula or something
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3067[19:24:13] <jmcnaught> fennesz: i've never noticed it myself. usually the largest filesystems i format at less than 100 GB. If it's a really large disk it might take some time. Using the options to disable lazy initialization seems like a good idea for an external
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3070[19:24:37] <fennesz> jmcnaught, yeap its a 2tb hdd
3071[19:24:55] <fennesz> is this safe : sudo mkfs -t ext4 -E lazy_itable_init=0,lazy_journal_init=0 /dev/sdc1 ?
3072[19:25:05] <jmcnaught> scwizard: the fonts-liberation package is supposed to have free alternatives to those fonts
3073[19:25:14] <greycat> You've already made the file system. Why would you start all over?
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3075[19:25:25] <scwizard> jmcnaught: free alternatives aren't acceptable in this case
3076[19:25:26] <greycat> Let it finish.
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3078[19:25:57] <jmcnaught> fennesz: i meant for the future, so that you have a clearer indication of when it's finished.
3079[19:26:10] <fennesz> to stop the lazyinit greycat
3080[19:26:16] <fennesz> ok I can wait
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3082[19:26:22] <fennesz> ok
3083[19:26:28] <greycat> You would have to START ALL OVER and sit through it in the foreground if you did what you propose.
3084[19:26:29] <scwizard> what licence agreement did I just accept anyway :|
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3088[19:26:35] <scwizard> oops i guess
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3092[19:27:13] <greycat> dpkg, ext4lazyinit is a kernel process started after mkfs.ext4 (with default options) to finish initializing the inodes in the background upon first mount. <replaced-url
3093[19:27:13] <dpkg> okay, greycat
3094[19:27:19] <fennesz> greycat, could I just enable the option to write zeros next time ? i mean to avoid lazyinit
3095[19:28:07] <greycat> If you don't do lazy init then you do ACTIVE init which means you wait the same length of time, but you wait BEFORE you can mount it instead of AFTER mounting it.
3096[19:28:41] <greycat> (or possibly a slightly different length of time, but in any case the same amount of work gets done)
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3099[19:30:24] <fennesz> ok got ! Thank you all !
3100[19:30:28] <fennesz> got it *
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3105[19:32:21] <ShinyObjects> jmcnaught: kfogel - I got disconnected so I didn't see if you had any responses (questions or the like about what I did)
3106[19:32:30] <fennesz> btw how could I specify the drive to monitor . I don't think you can do this with iotop , right?
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3108[19:34:48] <greycat> seriously, dude?
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3110[19:35:37] <greycat> We've already determined which thing is writing to your disk.
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3114[19:36:55] <scwizard> ahh the licence agreement for that is basically just "you can use this font, but you can't reverse engineer it or make derivative copies of it"
3115[19:37:04] <scwizard> yeah we should be in compliance with that
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3117[19:37:44] <fennesz> greycat, true .this is more a general question
3118[19:38:00] <fennesz> in case I need to know in future for something else
3119[19:38:08] <greycat> if iotop were installed, I would have skimmed the man page, but it appears not to be a standard tool
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3122[19:38:18] <greycat> soon as I got "No manual entry" I stopped
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3125[19:40:07] <fennesz> greycat, what do you mean by "No manual entry" , pls forgive my ignorance
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3127[19:40:20] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ man iotop
3128[19:40:20] <greycat> No manual entry for iotop
3129[19:40:34] <fennesz> ah ok :)
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3133[19:42:42] <prussian> ya I'm pretty sure iotop just monitors general kernel level io
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3137[19:44:38] <fennesz> I have installed iostat but there is only io information in general , not per process
3138[19:44:49] <fennesz> you can define the drive though
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3142[19:45:42] <fennesz> ext4lazyinit still running . Can this take overnight for a 2tb hdd ?
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3144[19:47:24] <greycat> Man pages don't say how much work it has to do. No idea.
3145[19:47:59] <fennesz> k
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3158[19:51:07] <necrose99-wrk> ? why is it xfce for debian cant have aptitude by chance thats odd
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3161[19:51:45] <Putti> necrose99-wrk, what do you mean?
3162[19:52:06] <greycat> aptitude is an optional package; install it if you want it
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3165[19:52:14] <necrose99-wrk> i installed deb 8 and xfce for a vm it pulled aptitutde out
3166[19:52:18] <Putti> just do apt install aptitude
3167[19:52:27] <necrose99-wrk> it will kill xfce
3168[19:52:33] <greycat> prove it
3169[19:53:13] <Putti> what packages does it want to remove when you do apt install aptitude?
3170[19:53:16] <necrose99-wrk> its what the synaptics pm says it will remove xfce and most of its suppot libs
3171[19:53:32] <Circuitsoft> necrose99-wrk: Do you have two different apt sources?
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3173[19:53:55] <Circuitsoft> That sounds like version conflicts.
3174[19:54:01] <Circuitsoft> Upgrading everything is likely to fix it.
3175[19:54:07] <necrose99-wrk> just ossec-wazuh , suse for oppenvas ,
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3177[19:54:29] <necrose99-wrk> i added kahli repos but mainly havent pulled anything from them
3178[19:55:38] <necrose99-wrk> normilly i'd say Pentoo emerge -sync && emerge -U -world , but grr politics at work for vm
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3181[19:56:53] <necrose99-wrk> naily i just Needed openvas and a few audit tools to monitor others in our cloud
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3189[19:58:34] <kfogel> ShinyObjects: I had no further contributions -- not enough expertise in this to say much more.
3190[19:58:38] <necrose99-wrk> meh its been ages since i've had a redhat/deb boxes in active invitory
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3198[20:00:29] <ShinyObjects> Well thank you anyway kfogel - this discussion helped me lead to my solution so I thought I'd share the informational spoils-of-war. I found a blog post that succinctly explains the steps since then: replaced-url
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3200[20:01:08] <ShinyObjects> Useful info to file away!
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3202[20:01:44] <ShinyObjects> Oh, and thanks for being one of the few people that were friendly and attempted to help on IRC :)
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3204[20:03:38] <mate_CRAZY> hello debianers. all right ?
3205[20:04:09] <ShinyObjects> hey mate_CRAZY. What can we help you with?
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3208[20:04:27] <mate_CRAZY> i need some help, regarding mate desktop, but I use kali sana.... is it still ok to ask in here ?
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3210[20:04:51] <moon__> Errrr... I dunno, my guess is a no.
3211[20:05:09] <mate_CRAZY> moon__, kali is debian based, therefore I ask to ask
3212[20:05:12] <ShinyObjects> Not sure, mate_CRAZY. I'm new here mysef.
3213[20:05:23] <moon__> Ah, true, maybe then
3214[20:05:27] <mtn> !kali
3215[20:05:28] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
3216[20:05:28] <ShinyObjects> I'd guess just ask and someone will tell you where else to go if not
3217[20:05:38] <moon__> Ok
3218[20:05:38] <mate_CRAZY> ok, ShinyObjects ever tried to replace a default de by a custom one ?
3219[20:05:43] <moon__> Try #kali-linux
3220[20:05:48] <moon__> Dont ask here
3221[20:05:59] <mate_CRAZY> moon__, will i find them on freenode ?
3222[20:06:13] <mtn> mate_CRAZY: read what dpkg just said
3223[20:06:21] <mate_CRAZY> ?
3224[20:06:27] <mate_CRAZY> ah, sorry
3225[20:06:32] <ShinyObjects> Usually just apt-get install that desktop
3226[20:06:37] <moon__> ^
3227[20:06:44] <ShinyObjects> apt-get install xfce-desktop. etc
3228[20:06:47] <mate_CRAZY> ok, will go there
3229[20:06:55] <ShinyObjects> Then set that as your default
3230[20:07:01] * moon__ goes back to working on dualbooting OpenBSD with debian
3231[20:07:32] <mate_CRAZY> i did all of that, the greeter is mate right now, but if I choose the mate or not choose, still standard gnome is started...
3232[20:08:02] <mate_CRAZY> some months i could start, if choosing in greeter, but now not anymore, I forgot, what I changed during my exoeriments
3233[20:08:05] <unborn> moon__: can you later on when you done post your boot script somewhere in paste? - thanks
3234[20:08:18] <moon__> Its not hard
3235[20:08:19] <mtn> mate_CRAZY: ask on the kali channel
3236[20:08:28] <moon__> Here, leme check it
3237[20:08:33] <mate_CRAZY> all right, thx so far
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3239[20:08:57] <moon__> in fact
3240[20:08:57] <ShinyObjects> mate_CRAZY: rather than starting a "we can't help you when we actually can" situation, pm, ,e/
3241[20:09:00] <ShinyObjects> pm m,e
3242[20:09:10] <moon__> its only 4 lines mate_CRAZY, do you have a second drive?
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3245[20:09:47] <moon__> Like a spare, empty drive you could install it on mate_CRAZY?
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3255[20:11:38] <moon__> mate_CRAZY, replaced-url
3256[20:11:44] <moon__> That will tell you know
3257[20:11:46] <moon__> *how
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3259[20:12:52] <mate_CRAZY> thx, let me look
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3262[20:13:35] <moon__> its easy really, just 4 lines to add Openbsd (and most other OSes that support multiboot)
3263[20:13:59] <mate_CRAZY> moon__, not the right link, perhaps not for me ? (my grub runs well )..it is all about x, (i think )
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3267[20:14:35] <moon__> ? im confused, what did you want?
3268[20:14:58] <moon__> just to refresh my memory
3269[20:15:00] <mate_CRAZY> moon__, You send the grub link to me ....
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3272[20:15:10] <mate_CRAZY> take a look some lines above
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3277[20:15:58] <moon__> You want my boot script?
3278[20:16:01] <moon__> Eh, no
3279[20:16:32] <mate_CRAZY> moon__, You understood, right ?
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3281[20:17:11] <moon__> Yea, but you said it after i noted i was going to get back to work on using GRUB with openbsd
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3283[20:17:19] <moon__> so i assumed that what you wanted
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3285[20:17:55] <mate_CRAZY> so, ok, I know, it is NOT debian, but this should be the same on both distros.... can I try to ask for "how to troubleshoot" in here ?
3286[20:18:08] <mate_CRAZY> Because the base de is the same ( IIRC)
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3288[20:18:58] <centrx> mate_CRAZY: I don't know what you're question is, but different distributions are often using different software.
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3291[20:19:10] <centrx> mate_CRAZY: Even different versions of the same software can have their own quirks
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3297[20:20:04] <mate_CRAZY> centrx, I need to set up mate desktop properly as default.... where would You look, if the distro was just debian and it does not work
3298[20:20:05] <mate_CRAZY> ?
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3302[20:20:47] <centrx> mate_CRAZY: I would check my .xinitrc file
3303[20:20:59] <mate_CRAZY> ok, for what entries ?
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3305[20:21:21] <centrx> mate_CRAZY: To check if my custom openbox/fbpanel is set up properly
3306[20:21:38] <centrx> mate_CRAZY: Have you tried in #mate or ##linux ?
3307[20:21:53] <mate_CRAZY> not yet
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3313[20:23:03] <awal1> mate_CRAZY, you choose mate in your DM once and your DM will remember it for next logins
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3319[20:23:33] <mate_CRAZY> awal1, it does not, even if I choose (strange) from the mate-greeter
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3322[20:25:03] <awal1> mate_CRAZY, kali use gnome as default DE. but it encourages the build of other DE/WM and make them as default. No clue how all that is compiled/configured by Kali devs
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3324[20:25:36] <awal1> thats why debian isn't kali, as the bot told you
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3331[20:27:16] <awal1> I have kali in a vm (even if I almost never use it) and via gdm3 I can choose the DE/WM I want
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3339[20:31:06] <acidchild> What service on linux makes the OS (chown, id, etc) aware of users in LDAP? I don't want the users in LDAP to be able to login (PAM).
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3342[20:31:41] <greycat> Then don't give them valid shells.
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3347[20:32:58] <greycat> (Or give them a shell which is just a script that says why they can't log in.)
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3350[20:34:52] <acidchild> greycat: They have valid shells in LDAP for other systems.
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3352[20:35:39] <acidchild> But an application creates their users directories, and does various permission changes. that machine needs to be able to do chown, without that machine knowing of them users, it will give an error
3353[20:35:39] <greycat> Then how are you supposed to know which users to block?
3354[20:35:56] <acidchild> That's a good question.
3355[20:36:05] <acidchild> What are my options?
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3360[20:38:02] <jmcnaught> acidchild: /etc/security/access.conf
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3369[20:41:59] <Azelphur> Hey folks, trying to install borgbackup from the repositories on Debian 8 - however it depends on python3-msgpack >0.4.6 but 0.4.2-1 is what's in the repository, Any ideas? Heres my sources.list: paste.debian.net/768410/
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3374[20:42:49] <unborn> Azelphur: why other software when rsync would do it for you?
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3377[20:43:10] <Azelphur> unborn: rsync would do deduplicating incremental backups?
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3380[20:43:47] <unborn> Azelphur: yeah it does all stuff you need it - incremental or update (delete on a go)
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3383[20:44:14] <Azelphur> unborn: interesting, I feel like setting up rsync, incremental backups, deduplication and encryption with keyfiles using rsync might be a lot of owrk?
3384[20:44:16] <unborn> or date based.. with deleting the old after few days, month or years
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3387[20:44:37] <Azelphur> compared to borg, which is borg create and borg prune
3388[20:44:41] <unborn> nope Azelphur just one command actually
3389[20:44:49] <Azelphur> unborn: go on?
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3391[20:45:08] <unborn> Azelphur: there is a thing.. google you know.. its all there.
3392[20:45:20] <greycat> I feel like a backup should just be a fucking copy of your files so you can restore 'em if they get damaged.
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3394[20:45:30] <jmcnaught> Azelphur: can you please show the command you use to install and the output? I suspect it's a matter of needing to use "-t jessie-backports" in the install command
3395[20:45:36] <unborn> greycat: exactly..
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3397[20:45:48] <Azelphur> unborn: Google doesn't show up much for rsync deduplicating backup, apart from zbackup
3398[20:45:51] <greycat> But go ahead and waste months writing some crazy Rube Goldberg crap with all those buzzwords.
3399[20:45:53] <unborn> Azelphur: just use -a when backing files..
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3401[20:46:23] <Azelphur> jmcnaught: here you go, replaced-url
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3403[20:46:33] <unborn> Azelphur: really? try to search different words..
3404[20:46:37] <unborn> one moment
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3407[20:46:50] <Azelphur> jmcnaught: -t jessie-backports does indeed fix it :)
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3410[20:47:21] <awal1> greycat, a few days ago I asked why I have a non-hidden files in my /home, named "2" and found out that they are created by "fvwm-crystal" WM (but no clue why or what's the purpose)...
3411[20:47:40] <unborn> Azelphur: replaced-url
3412[20:47:45] <greycat> Sounds like a bug in a shell script.
3413[20:47:56] <greycat> Look for a shell script that has >2 when it should have 2>
3414[20:47:58] <unborn> that is good ^^^example.. and learn how to ask google ;)
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3418[20:48:30] <awal1> greycat, ok. will check that
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3422[20:49:19] <mate_CRAZY> hello once again... I could narrow down the mate behaviour
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3424[20:49:28] <mate_CRAZY> anyone interested ?
3425[20:49:38] <greycat> I gave up trying to understand my mate years ago.
3426[20:49:39] <Azelphur> unborn: that doesn't seem to match what borg does in any way shape or form, for example, borg allows me to have hourly backups, while only the changes are saved on the backup machine. So I don't need N*1 backup space
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3429[20:49:57] <Azelphur> and I can mount those backups to explore the system at that point in time
3430[20:50:23] <greycat> And you need this because...?
3431[20:50:32] <Azelphur> because...it's very useful?
3432[20:50:40] <greycat> OK. Have fun.
3433[20:51:01] <unborn> Azelphur: well - you know cronjob right? you can have it even every minute..
3434[20:51:42] <Azelphur> unborn: right, but I'd have to have rsync backup my entire system, then a second copy of my entire system right? so if I had 200GB of files, the remote host would need 200GB multiplied by the number of hours I'd been running it for
3435[20:51:51] <unborn> Azelphur: if that did not resolve your specific issue as you want - sure. there is plenty of people who does know more them me - you can hire them :)
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3437[20:51:53] <Azelphur> with borg, that's not the case, it only stores the changes, so I'd need 200GB and a little bit for the changes
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3439[20:52:19] <Azelphur> unborn: or...I could use borg, which is what I was doing in the first place when you decided you knew better than me :)
3440[20:52:21] <greycat> Use what you want. No point try to sell it to the rest of us.
3441[20:52:24] <unborn> Azelphur: I see you do not know rsync.. not entire things.. rsync is smart
3442[20:52:37] <Azelphur> greycat: unborn is the one doing the selling here, I came for help with apt
3443[20:52:39] <unborn> just read what rsync is about
3444[20:52:45] <unborn> HUH?
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3447[20:53:20] <Azelphur> but yea, may well be worth reading more about rsync, I'm aware it's pretty powerful, I'm just not sure it'll do what borg-backup does, or do it as well as borg-backup does.
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3450[20:53:40] <Azelphur> (or why I'd want to put all this effort in when borg-backup does what I want)
3451[20:54:30] <unborn> F@k that again.. was trying to help but another low educated person twatting me here for help.. because saying if you cannot do it hire someone who will do it for you.. it does not mean sale something.. mean hey mate, if you cannot do it there is someone else who can do it for you.. wtf..
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3453[20:55:00] <Azelphur> Of course I can do it, but you have yet to tell me why I *should* do it
3454[20:55:14] <Azelphur> I have a perfectly good piece of software I've been using for years, that does exactly what I want it to
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3456[20:55:27] <greycat> unborn: He's just not going to listen. He has his fancy toy and he's damned sure going to use it and doesn't want to hear about any simple things.
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3461[20:56:00] <unborn> Azelphur: no one have to do tell you anything.. no one have to help you - we are humans and we do help each other.. that does not mean we or I have too..
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3463[20:56:03] <Azelphur> greycat: I think if it was as simple as he thinks, he'd have thrown me some examples, and explained it far better. :)
3464[20:56:04] <unborn> just wake up
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3467[20:56:30] <unborn> greycat: thanks - I was just trying to help
3468[20:56:33] <unborn> thats all
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3470[20:57:25] * jmcnaught uses duplicity and duply for remote encrypted incremental backups. very simple to set up, doesn't have fancy new deduplication though.
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3472[20:57:48] <Azelphur> unborn: when I have a perfectly good backup tool I've been using for years, you tell me to switch, don't tell me why, and tell me to go read about how to use it, or pay someone to do it for me...of course my answer is going to be "wtf?"
3473[20:58:05] <greycat> If "deduplication" means what I'm guessing it means, I don't understand why you would only want to do it to your backup copy and not to your original files.
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3476[20:58:51] <KaffeeJunky123> when I start evolution it runs the pipelight plugin loader
3477[20:58:53] <jmcnaught> hey we should all pretend that backup solutions aren't worth arguing about
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3481[20:59:08] <KaffeeJunky123> heh
3482[20:59:18] <unborn> Azelphur: if you have perfectly good backup tool in action - why you asking questions here then?
3483[20:59:32] <greycat> He had some sort of apt issue which jmcnaught already fixed.
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3485[20:59:33] <Azelphur> unborn: ...because I had a problem with apt, see my original question...
3486[20:59:36] <Azelphur> indeed
3487[20:59:44] <unborn> perfectly working backup - if its works then no questions asked right?
3488[20:59:55] <greycat> I don't even know whether his apt issue was related to his backup thing. All I know is there ain't no "borg backup" in my apt-cache search results.
3489[21:00:04] <unborn> Azelphur: solution was provided.. see my reply
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3491[21:00:07] <Azelphur> unborn: switched the remote machine to Debian 8 is all, couldn't get it installed :)
3492[21:00:33] <Azelphur> greycat: replaced-url
3493[21:00:43] <greycat> Post-jessie, then.
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3495[21:01:02] <jmcnaught> it's in backports. i met one of the people who works on borgbackup, it does sound like a nice tool
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3497[21:01:07] <unborn> Azelphur: I see, well if you could not get install the rsync which comes with debian it self then - I shall give up.. you won.
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3499[21:01:17] <Azelphur> jmcnaught: yea I know the folks who work on it, they are indeed nice :)
3500[21:01:49] <varaindemian> is debian unstable "stable" enough for daily use? is it more like arch regarding the updates?
3501[21:02:04] <greycat> If you have to ask, no.
3502[21:02:53] <maurer> varaindemian: unstable can have mostly untested stuff show up. If you're finding stable to be too old, try testing
3503[21:03:08] <maurer> varaindemian: testing is at least believed to work, but has not had as long without a serious problem as stable has
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3505[21:03:49] <maurer> varaindemian: unstable is mostly for people developing debian, or as a secondary package source for bleeding edge libraries for use on dev machines
3506[21:04:04] <greycat> A *source* package source for libraries....
3507[21:04:08] <greycat> You have to recompile them for stable.
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3514[21:07:34] <unborn> what is the link to 'dont break debian' site ? I mean part of the site..? - thanks
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3517[21:08:07] <greycat> !dontbreakdebian
3518[21:08:08] <dpkg> i heard dont break debian is replaced-url
3519[21:08:17] <unborn> thanks :)
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3542[21:15:09] <julius_> my sid system which was installed with debootstrap is complaining right after the grub screen at boot time that root= is wrong. this is the grub entry: replaced-url
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3544[21:15:21] <julius_> any idea?
3545[21:15:27] <greycat> Ask the sid support channel.
3546[21:15:34] <julius_> oh,sorry
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3548[21:15:38] <julius_> wrong channel
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3550[21:16:14] <Gaiseric> What's the Sid support channel? debian-next?
3551[21:16:22] <greycat> On the OFTC network, yes.
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3553[21:16:32] <julius_> hi
3554[21:16:33] <julius_> my sid system which was installed with debootstrap is complaining right after the grub screen at boot time that root= is wrong. this is the grub entry: replaced-url
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3556[21:16:36] <greycat> Possibly #debian-boot (also on OFTC) since this is a booting issue.
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3560[21:17:20] <julius_> ah
3561[21:17:32] <jmcnaught> julius_: you've just come back to the same channel you were in a moment ago. you're looking for irc.oftc.net which is a different network than freenode
3562[21:17:43] <Gaiseric> greycat: thanks
3563[21:17:52] <julius_> i swear, i did type /j debian-next
3564[21:18:04] <greycat> !oftc
3565[21:18:04] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
3566[21:18:05] <jmcnaught> julius_: different network
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3568[21:18:26] <julius_> but #debian-next brought me here...i will join oftc
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3578[21:20:37] <greycat> 15:19 #debian-next #debian Forwarding to another channel
3579[21:20:40] <greycat> Christ.
3580[21:20:42] <greycat> And of course you get spammed by 2000 names in between that and where you are, so you have to scroll WAAAAAY the fuck up to see that.
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3592[21:24:02] <mate_CRAZY> hi, i am back again, checked it, now my mate starts s default
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3594[21:24:06] <mate_CRAZY> nice
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3602[21:25:15] <mate_CRAZY> but, is there any possibility to transfer root desktop settings ( icons, shortcuts, menu etc. ) from a root to a normal user in mate ?
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3604[21:25:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> why would root have desktop settings?!
3605[21:26:25] <mate_CRAZY> NoImNotNineVolt, i started with root just to set all stuff up ....
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3608[21:26:49] <mate_CRAZY> was conincidence and some kind of lazyness
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3612[21:28:34] <mate_CRAZY> by the way, i have a theory, why australians say "mate" all the time
3613[21:28:34] <Gaiseric> mate_CRAZY: The root account shouldn't have desktop settings, but in case it does, I assume you just have to "sudo cp -a /root/.whatever-mate-settings /home/youruser/.whatever-mate-settings" and then "sudo chown -R youruser: /home/youruser/.whatever-mate-settings"
3614[21:28:48] <Gaiseric> But I don't use Mate
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3616[21:29:45] <mate_CRAZY> Gaiseric, thx very much, I know the last parts, my question was all about WHICH files to copy
3617[21:29:47] <arca_vorago> So what is the correct way to insert fortune into motd on ssh login?
3618[21:30:24] <Gaiseric> mate_CRAZY: "find /root -type d -iname '*mate*'"
3619[21:30:41] <Gaiseric> I assume most stuff would be in /root/.config
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3622[21:31:14] <Gaiseric> Then again, if it uses the whole dconf craziness....
3623[21:31:16] <Gaiseric> ugh
3624[21:31:18] <mate_CRAZY> Gaiseric, sound ok, I always use find, just Do You know mate a bit ?
3625[21:31:32] <Gaiseric> unfortunately not
3626[21:32:12] <mate_CRAZY> Gaiseric, btw, do You think, this DE uses settings like all other DE's ?
3627[21:32:28] <arca_vorago> wow why would changing motd be so convoluted...
3628[21:32:59] <greycat> mate_CRAZY: are you asking people who don't use mate how mate works?
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3631[21:33:14] <Gaiseric> mate_CRAZY: Mate started as a Gnome fork, so it _does_ use dconf (I just checked)
3632[21:33:22] <mate_CRAZY> greycat, no.
3633[21:33:31] <Gaiseric> greycat: Yeah, that's funny :P
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3635[21:33:46] <mate_CRAZY> Gaiseric, thx. all right. That helps a lot
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3637[21:34:23] <Gaiseric> mate_CRAZY: you're welcome
3638[21:34:29] * Gaiseric is AFK
3639[21:34:37] * greycat briefly wonders what dconf is, then decides his life is sufficiently full without this knowledge
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3644[21:34:49] <jelly> Circuitsoft: it's not hard to repack your .deb and fix its Depends: to include default-jre | openjdk-8-jre | ... instead of the old packages. It is also not hard to repack your oracle-java8-jre .deb to Provides: sun-java6-jre
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3646[21:35:09] <mate_CRAZY> Gaiseric, greycat : You really cannot try to stick to one DE/distro when we talk about linux, the approach is nice, but the chaos remains
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3649[21:35:33] <greycat> We can certainly stick to one distro in a distro support channel.
3650[21:35:34] <Gaiseric> greycat: The Gnome equivalent of The Windows registry. Now you know (no need to thank me)!
3651[21:35:44] <croddy> replacement for gconf2.
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3653[21:35:59] <mate_CRAZY> greycat, ok, ok, I did not change it
3654[21:36:30] <jelly> Circuitsoft: For the latter: start a fakeroot shell. dpkg --extract /path/to/oracle-java8-jre_8u91_i386.deb tempdir; dpkg --control /path/to/oracle-java8-jre_8u91_i386.deb tempdir/DEBIAN; ... then edit tempdir/DEBIAN/control
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3657[21:36:56] <jelly> Circuitsoft: then dpkg -b tempdir .
3658[21:37:00] <unborn> Gaiseric: gnome equivalent of windows registry? - can you tell me a bit more about this?
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3660[21:37:22] <mate_CRAZY> but it was no "real" crtiticizm" , i love linux, mostly gentoo, slackware, and suddenly debian
3661[21:37:26] <unborn> - or what should I do smoke to get that effect?
3662[21:37:57] <mate_CRAZY> and, the hell, I tell You, mate is really cool
3663[21:38:03] <kfogel> ShinyObjects: hey, thanks for following up with that blog post!
3664[21:38:22] <fennesz> greycat, just for the input ext4lazyinit just ended. It took ca 2hrs for a 2tb usb3 external drive ( verbatim store n save )
3665[21:38:30] <jelly> Circuitsoft: an oracle-java8-jre package with fixed Provides: header to include old sun-java8-jre name will satisfy the old package Depends
3666[21:38:31] <mate_CRAZY> only drop down menu needs to be redesigned ( technically only , is really buggy )
3667[21:38:36] <greycat> fennesz: ok.
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3669[21:38:53] <jelly> Circuitsoft: er, old sun-java6-jre name
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3672[21:39:06] <greycat> I don't know how long it would have taken if you'd forced it to initialize immediately, but I won't ask for you to perform that experiment.
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3681[21:40:25] <mate_CRAZY> so, anyway, thx for Your time, patience and effort. Rock on, debian crew, see ya
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3687[21:41:23] <Miesco> Hi how do I get rsync to act like copy in that 'cp dir/ ~' copies the directory 'dir' to ~
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3689[21:41:43] <jelly> Miesco: do not put that / after dir
3690[21:41:46] <greycat> rsync -a dir ~
3691[21:41:47] <mate_CRAZY> Miesco, WHYYYAYYYYYYY?
3692[21:41:48] <kfogel> Miesco: one weird thing is that rsync is sensitive to trailing /
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3694[21:42:08] <kfogel> Miesco: rsync man page has details, but basically: what jelly said
3695[21:42:10] <jelly> it's not weird, it's a fucking documented feature
3696[21:42:21] <jelly> and a very useful one
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3698[21:42:29] <greycat> rsync is very picky about whether a source directory DOES or DOESN'T end with a / and acts differently according to which you use
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3700[21:42:41] <Miesco> jelly: Well bash completion does that automatically!
3701[21:42:50] <greycat> Miesco: so backspace it
3702[21:42:55] <jelly> Miesco: your completion is buggy, then
3703[21:42:58] <mate_CRAZY> Miesco, and craps it
3704[21:43:07] <kfogel> jelly: er, well, whether something is documented or not is irrelevant to whether it's weird. I said it's "weird" because it is somewhat unusual among commands to behave differently with vs without the trailing slash on directory names.
3705[21:43:13] <greycat> Also true, you are using a non-default completion.
3706[21:43:24] <Miesco> jelly: Really?
3707[21:43:34] <mate_CRAZY> greycat, perhaps he is not aware
3708[21:43:36] <kfogel> jelly: Also, pretty much everyone who learns this is surprised by it :-). To me, that's as good an indication of weirdness as any.
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3710[21:44:05] <mate_CRAZY> kfogel, YESSSS. Linux at its best
3711[21:44:05] <greycat> Hmm. I am getting weirdly different results between "cd ./tm<TAB>" and "cd /usr/loc<TAB>"
3712[21:44:13] <Miesco> I think dir/* is more explicit and better
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3714[21:44:23] <Miesco> dir/ should copy 'dir' as well
3715[21:44:28] <greycat> Miesco: you don't understand what dir/* means.
3716[21:44:37] <mate_CRAZY> so, will leave now, see ya
3717[21:44:46] <kfogel> mate_CRAZY: well, this is rsync, not GNU/Linux
3718[21:44:54] <jelly> kfogel: true, I may have gotten used to it
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3720[21:45:22] <greycat> Ah. It's because there are directories "tmplink" and "tmp_mnt" in the two places I tested with tm<TAB>
3721[21:45:27] <kfogel> jelly: Oh, I'm used to it too -- my entire data life depends on rsync scripts. But I take that to mean I have joined the weirdness :).
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3723[21:45:34] <jelly> Miesco: doing dir/* on unix is a bit of an antipattern, learn to avoid it
3724[21:45:35] <greycat> So, my mistake -- the trailing / is part of the default completion in most cases.
3725[21:45:36] <Miesco> greycat: Yea it prepends 'dir/' to every item in 'dir'
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3727[21:45:49] <jelly> Miesco: it's not necessarily "every item"
3728[21:45:57] <kfogel> Miesco: (also, "*" doesn't automatically include dot files)
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3730[21:46:10] <greycat> Miesco: so you can see why asking rsync to back up dir is *absolutely* different from asking it to back up dir/*
3731[21:46:13] <Miesco> kfogel: oh I see
3732[21:46:19] <jelly> Miesco: and there are other reasons why it makes it easy to do the wrong thing
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3735[21:46:55] <kfogel> Miesco: for example: compare the results of "ls ." and "ls ./*" :-)
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3737[21:47:06] <jelly> (eg: forgetting the last parameter after something like rsync -r source/* dest/)
3738[21:47:15] <Miesco> Well I have been backspacing the default bash completion, but sometimes I forget and I end up with a big mess in my home directory
3739[21:47:27] <jelly> (vs. forgetting the last parameter after rsync -r source/)
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3743[21:48:20] <jelly> Miesco: it's best to never do anything with foo/*
3744[21:48:20] <Miesco> I think dir/ should copy dir as well
3745[21:48:30] <Miesco> jelly: Okay noted
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3748[21:48:57] <Miesco> and If you just want the contents... then dir// :)
3749[21:49:05] <jelly> I think there are excellent reasons why there's a defined syntax for "copy the contents of a directory" and "copy the directory itself"
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3751[21:49:13] <greycat> Miesco: In rsync, "dir" as source means "create dir and its contents in the destination" whereas "dir/" as source means "copy the contents of dir, but not dir itself, to the dest"
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3754[21:49:49] <greycat> And if you rely on tab completion, DEAL WITH IT. Backspace the / when it is not what you want.
3755[21:49:58] <Miesco> greycat: Okay, but I am saying "dir/" should do the same as "dir"
3756[21:50:06] <unborn> arent we been here already? :)
3757[21:50:07] <greycat> Well, it doesn't.
3758[21:50:24] <greycat> And thousands of people who use it and rely on the current behavior are NOT going to change just for YOU.
3759[21:50:38] <Miesco> greycat: Well I am on the fence now
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3761[21:51:55] <Miesco> greycat: You ever accidently put a million files in your home directory? (I have `alias cp=rsync -av`
3762[21:52:22] <notrya> hi
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3767[21:53:53] <notrya> i just got debian8 running on my Lenovo Thinkpad T420S, and its great
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3770[21:54:28] <jelly> Miesco: if you accidentally "cp foo/*" you won't even KNOW where you put a million files.
3771[21:54:29] <unborn> notrya: that is great news :) enjoy your debian
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3773[21:54:39] <notrya> i was just thinking about enhancing it
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3775[21:54:49] <notrya> thinkgs like boot time and graphics cards
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3777[21:54:59] <jelly> notrya: I have an Ubuntu 16.04 on my T420s because lazy.
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3780[21:55:38] <jelly> (the s is lowercase!)
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3783[21:56:20] <notrya> jelly: hehhehe i prefer my own conventions
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3786[21:56:47] <notrya> jelly: i just stopped using ubuntu some years ago, it is just not for my preferences
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3788[21:57:22] <notrya> unborn: tell me abou your debian setup
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3791[21:58:17] <unborn> notrya: what would you like to know?
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3796[21:58:57] <notrya> unborn: pretty much anything. how are your boot times? and your graphic card performance
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3801[21:59:57] <jelly> notrya: mind you, this channel is primarily for tech support -- if any users with actual questions appear, move the chat to #debian-offtopic (you can join more than one channel at a time!)
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3803[22:00:36] <unborn> notrya: its just standard setup of netinstall. my boot time is 3 seconds (im on ssd) - see it for your self - please google it dell latitude e5440 or others - got 22 laptops.. toshiba, asus, acer.. they all works..
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3809[22:02:43] <notrya> unborn: okay! i just opened the off-topic channel
3810[22:02:44] <unborn> - that should give you an glue whats my setup.. I do have two hdds on my laptops all of them.. one is ssh and second one is sshd mostly.. but some of my machines have hdd but it does not affect anything.. it just works as it supposed to :)
3811[22:03:02] <unborn> notrya: let me connect there..
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3814[22:03:19] <notrya> unborn: yah , we better chat there, you're righ
3815[22:03:25] <notrya> unborn: hehhe
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3819[22:04:12] <Miesco> Okay fine, i'll accept rsync's slash behaviour
3820[22:04:20] <unborn> notrya: can you give me exact chan name with # tag on fron of it? like #channel :)
3821[22:04:23] <unborn> thanks
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3827[22:05:26] <notrya> unborn: #debian-offtopic
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3829[22:05:37] <notrya> get here as fast as you can
3830[22:05:43] <notrya> hahaha just kiddin
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3839[22:09:37] <julius_> in this line: linux /bootM/vmlinuz-3.4.4-3.fc17.x86_64 root=UUID=207d8262-a705-4237-8cc6-f527fb3e34cc ro quiet can i used a UUID listed by lvdisplay?
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3842[22:10:04] <Miesco> I have a question. If a file has the sticky bit, how does one know if other can execute it?
3843[22:10:04] <socomm> Que?
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3845[22:10:16] <greycat> I should think you can use any UUID that is readable at this GRUB stage.
3846[22:10:20] <jelly> julius_: no, use an UUID from /dev/disk/by-uuid/
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3851[22:10:54] <jelly> that's a kernel param, grub doesn't have to know anything about how that device is actually set up
3852[22:10:55] <unborn> notrya: just joined :)
3853[22:11:07] <socomm> Miesco: Sticky bit is to disallow others from deleting your file/directory.
3854[22:11:12] <jelly> (if there's a separate /boot, that is)
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3857[22:11:36] <socomm> Miesco: 'ls -l' will return file permissions as normal.
3858[22:11:46] <jelly> julius_: or use root=/dev/mapper/vgnamehere-lvnameforrootfshere
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3861[22:12:11] <greycat> Miesco: 't' means sticky + 0001 and 'T' means sticky but not 0001
3862[22:12:42] <jelly> what does a sticky bit do on a file, anyway?
3863[22:12:46] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ touch testfile; chmod 1750 testfile; ls -l testfile
3864[22:12:46] <greycat> -rwxr-x--T 1 wooledg wooledg 0 Jun 28 16:12 testfile
3865[22:12:49] <greycat> Nothing.
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3867[22:13:33] <greycat> In the very very very very old days of Unix, it means the program file should be cached in memory because it was likely to be used again. Like ls.
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3869[22:13:39] <greycat> These days, every program is treated that way.
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3872[22:14:06] <jelly> greycat: the e is silent?
3873[22:14:25] <julius_> jelly, ah thanks, the /dev/mapper variant is easier
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3875[22:14:48] <greycat> Local username convention is first 6 chars of lastname, then first initial, then possibly one or more digits to disambiguate.
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3877[22:15:43] <jelly> ah, so g is not g but g
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3879[22:16:07] <greycat> I think you might be up a tiny bit past your bed time.
3880[22:16:17] <wsky> is icedove 45.1 stable for you guys?
3881[22:16:26] <wsky> it keeps on crashing on my end
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3883[22:16:38] <jmcnaught> notrya: on jessie you can use "systemd-analyze blame" to see what takes the longest during boot, then look into the services that take a long time
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3889[22:18:00] <jelly> julius_: or root=LABEL=root :-)
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3891[22:18:27] <jelly> if that's the actual fs label
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3895[22:19:55] <Miesco> greycat: Oh I see
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3912[22:28:43] <notrya> jmcnaught: okay, i shall investigate
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3914[22:29:41] <jmcnaught> notrya: say you see a service that takes a long time you could look at it with "systemctl status servicename" and "journalctl -u servicename"
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3921[22:31:13] <notrya> jmcnaught: men, this is very clarifying:
3922[22:31:15] <notrya> 12.343s mysql.service 8.636s wicd.service
3923[22:31:35] <NoImNotNineVolt> this ldap integration thing is... fun.
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3926[22:32:04] <jmcnaught> notrya: the journals for those services should have some clues. network-manager is an alternative to wicd that you might consider
3927[22:32:28] <NoImNotNineVolt> and by fun i mean "pam_ldap: ldap_simple_bind Can't contact LDAP server" isn't very descriptive.
3928[22:32:36] <NoImNotNineVolt> i can ping it.
3929[22:32:49] <NoImNotNineVolt> so "Can't contact" must mean something else...
3930[22:33:07] <greycat> I would imagine either a TCP or a UDP connection (or the UDP analogue of "connection")
3931[22:33:40] <notrya> jmcnaught: i actually had to install that crap in order to make wifi work
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3933[22:33:47] <notrya> its actually on the list
3934[22:33:48] <notrya> 7.022s NetworkManager.service
3935[22:33:49] <NoImNotNineVolt> it's a windows box, so i don't even know how to "contact" it other than ping :P
3936[22:34:24] <NoImNotNineVolt> there, i established an rdp session to it, so it's not a firewall thing...
3937[22:34:34] <unborn> notrya: if you not happy with wifi drivers how they are installed - make sure you found your own solution or write your own drivers.. and stop trolling
3938[22:34:35] <NoImNotNineVolt> or, if it is, it's port-based..
3939[22:34:58] <greycat> I'm not seeing trolling here.
3940[22:35:02] <jmcnaught> notrya: having both networkmanager and wicd at the same time could cause delays i suppose. you definitely don't need both
3941[22:35:29] <notrya> jmcnaught: yah you're right! i shall dipose of it
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3944[22:35:48] <notrya> unborn: i actually love thinkpad support when it comes to drivers
3945[22:36:05] <notrya> the wifi thing was just a workaround
3946[22:36:14] <jmcnaught> notrya: the one you keep might depend on the DE that you use. GNOME and KDE you probably want networkmanager, others there might be some advantage to wicd
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3949[22:36:32] <notrya> jmcnaught: i use xfce
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3952[22:37:14] <jmcnaught> notrya: probably either is fine. networkmanager seems better to me but i haven't tried wicd in years
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3956[22:37:35] <Miesco> Hi. What is stable's current kernel?
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3958[22:37:54] <greycat> ,kernels
3959[22:37:55] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc4-686-pae (4.7~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.2-2); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.2-2); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
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3966[22:38:33] <Miesco> Does jessie-backports have git 2.1?
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3968[22:38:41] <Miesco> gpg*
3969[22:38:54] <greycat> You can /msg judd to ask it whatever you wish.
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3971[22:39:17] <Miesco> greycat: What is the kernel in parenthases?
3972[22:39:42] <Miesco> parentheses*
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3977[22:40:02] <greycat> Compare to what you see in "uname -a" and "dpkg -l linux\* | cat"
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3981[22:40:51] <notrya> jmcnaught: thanks for the help, i will disable mysql.service auto-start, and boot will be +12.343s faster
3982[22:40:56] <notrya> jmcnaught: what a boost
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4023[22:52:43] <Includes08> anyone that has some knowledge about virtualmin?
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4054[23:08:57] <socomm> Includes08: Google may.
4055[23:09:36] <socomm> Includes08: Also, there's a #virtualmin channel on this network.
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4062[23:12:06] <Includes08> socomm, the #virtualmin are people that guide you to /docs and don't talk xD
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4097[23:21:49] <anonym> :)
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4137[23:37:55] <awal1> when skipping root password configuration during install root user isn't created, right?
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4140[23:38:12] <awal1> root account isn't created ^
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4143[23:38:53] <awal1> thats what the installer says, but wanted to be sure :P
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4145[23:39:50] <awal1> if yes, so why sudo su drive me to root account ? :P
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4160[23:45:39] <awal1> hm, I think I dont understand sudo enough :P
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4170[23:48:49] <TomTomTosch> if you type top you will also see a lot of processes running as root. you can't have a system _without_ root.
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4175[23:52:53] <MrKeuner> hi, how can i define an an array in Dash?
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4177[23:53:30] <MrKeuner> PATCHES=("nucleus-grizzly-all.jar") This appeared to work in bash
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4183[23:57:27] <TomTomTosch> MrKeuner: it's not as nice in dash, but here is a workaround: BLA="nucleus-grizzly-all.jar nucleus-meow-all.jar"; for BL in $BLA; do echo "$BL"; done
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4187[23:59:09] <TomTomTosch> obviously that's not an array, but it's as good as it gets in dash me thinks.
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