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6 [00:01:03] <joze> apt
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14 [00:03:27] <sm00th> guys how do I mount an encrypted partition again?
15 [00:03:33] <sm00th> from commandline
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18 [00:05:04] <doublehp> teraflops: thanks, good night.
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56 [00:18:10] <koshii> Hi folks. So quick question for the filesystem gurus: Is btrfs as safe to use as it as awesome to use? :)
57 [00:18:42] <koshii> Or is this still quite experimental territory?
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60 [00:20:55] <xai> koshii: I'm not a guru, but the question is answered in FAQ of BTRFS ;)
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62 [00:21:27] <koshii> xai: Heh cheers. Do you use it in "production"?
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64 [00:21:53] <xai> koshii: I used and returned to ext4
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66 [00:22:05] <koshii> xai: Why is that?
67 [00:22:26] <xai> koshii: Well:
68 [00:22:41] <teraflops> koshii: I do use btrfs in production with backported kernel
69 [00:22:50] <xai> 1. I don't like monstrous bundle solution as the BTRFS is.
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72 [00:23:10] <xai> 2. IIRC, deleting of huge files on btrfs is slow. It's not just deleting a link.
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75 [00:23:57] <koshii> Can you go into more detail about #1?
76 [00:24:31] <koshii> (And re #2, how huge is "huge"?)
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80 [00:25:05] <xai> koshii: Let's other way. What is your use case?
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83 [00:25:20] <xai> Instrument should be choiced for task, but not task for instrument.
84 [00:25:43] <xai> Sorry for my English :)
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86 [00:26:19] <xai> s/choiced/chosen/, s/instrument/tool/g
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93 [00:28:17] <teraflops> koshii: you want snapshots and subvolumes? and sending them via btrfs send/receive over the network?
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95 [00:28:51] <koshii> xai: Simple at home NAS
96 [00:29:00] <koshii> xai: media files, backups, etc.
97 [00:29:06] <xai> koshii: In this case you don't need btrfs, IMO.
98 [00:29:18] <xai> backups? How do you plan to do them?
99 [00:29:28] <koshii> xai: duplicity
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101 [00:29:44] <xai> koshii: No snapshots?
102 [00:29:57] <koshii> teraflops: I didn't even know that was possible. (sending/receiving snapshots over the network)
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105 [00:30:42] <koshii> xai: Not necessarily. What attracted me to btrfs was how easy it seems to be to setup, expand, repair a filesystem. Like a better-performing(?) ZFS.
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108 [00:31:09] <teraflops> koshii: if you dont want those features you better pick ext4 imo
109 [00:31:11] <koshii> I like how easily I can add to the pool of storage too.
110 [00:31:19] <xai> repair? It's not about btrfs, IMO.
111 [00:31:51] <xai> koshii: If you used to ZFS then BTRFS may be useful for you. But I suggest to use EXT4 in your case.
112 [00:32:09] <koshii> OK, fair enough. I appreciate the input.
113 [00:32:20] <xai> Sorry for non-detailed answer
114 [00:32:33] <koshii> It's fine. I guess I was just looking for red flags against using it.
115 [00:32:43] <koshii> If there aren't any in particular, then maybe I'll just try it to try it.
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119 [00:33:46] <notthistime> flashplugin-nonfree last updated 2014?
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205 [01:17:49] <teraflops> yes?
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239 [01:35:37] <svetluna> bazhang is piece of shit, faggot land lol
240 [01:35:40] <svetluna> bazhang is piece of shit, faggot land lol
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242 [01:35:41] <svetluna> bazhang is piece of shit, faggot land lol
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259 [01:44:06] <YesMan> Hello
260 [01:44:41] <YesMan> Do we have any insight into ian murdock suicide?
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263 [01:45:03] <bazhang> YesMan, thats way offtopic here
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279 [01:59:09] <scribe> Is this the best channel to ask questions about .deb packaging?
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281 [02:00:29] <scribe> If so, I am looking into triggers and other mechanism for having a .deb run tasks upon being installed (such as updating a config file on the host machine) and I am not sure the canonical approach for accomplishing this. The question is, what is the canonical approach?
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283 [02:01:12] <scribe> Is it replaced-url
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289 [02:05:46] <somiaj> scribe: umm, do you mean triggers or do you mean scripts like the pre isntall, post install, pre remove and post remove scripts?
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292 [02:06:44] <somiaj> scribe: though I guess your idea of changing configs, that is a triger that I think causes debconf to keep track of the config changes and then give the user the message, to keep their own version or to update to the newest matainers version.
293 [02:06:57] <somiaj> scribe: anyways, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is a better place to ask such packing questions.
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295 [02:07:08] <scribe> somiaj: Thank you kindly on both accounts
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322 [02:21:44] <awwal> Is there any log for update-initramfs -u , grub-install /... , and update-grub?
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351 [02:40:16] <pk64> what determines if debian.tar.xz is generated when building a package?
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353 [02:40:50] <somiaj> pk64: the options sent to the debian build tools
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357 [02:42:52] <somiaj> pk64: actually I could be incorrect here. If you don't get a good answer #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might be able to better clarify what is going on
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361 [02:45:26] <somiaj> pk64: for some reason I think when I have used dh_make in the past for a single binary package I also give it options to not generate source packages so it might be if you tell the build tools to create a source package or not'
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369 [02:47:32] <pk64> I thought it may be how I was handling debian/rules. I get orig.tar.gz fine. I always add debian/ to the source dir after* the tarball creation
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373 [02:49:07] <pk64> I know I can pass -sa to dpkg-buildpackage (I use pbuilder as well), that will ensure .orig, just wondering about debian.tar.xz
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434 [03:15:34] <sm00th> hey guys i notice there is not cryptsetup command on live usb
435 [03:15:43] <sm00th> would I be able to install the package on it?
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438 [03:17:20] <sm00th> or maybe I havdo modprobe dm-crypt first?
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452 [03:23:51] <somiaj> sm00th: you can install packages on a live system (within the live session) same as a regular install with apt-get
453 [03:24:34] <sm00th> thats awesome
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458 [03:27:05] <somiaj> note this installs it in memeory, so depending on computer you can't install everything
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481 [03:42:00] <SimbaLion> Hi, I'm getting a weird error trying to install packages saying they can't be authenticated. I did aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring and apt-key update but it's not fixing it?
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485 [03:44:25] <SimbaLion> oh I should specify I am running debian jessie
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500 [03:57:29] <huhuoyun30> 有能说中文的么？
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502 [03:57:42] <huhuoyun30> ？？？？
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505 [03:58:25] <cruncher> !cn
506 [03:58:25] <dpkg> 如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助，請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道，連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明，或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作！
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582 [04:42:16] <michael2> Does anyone know how to get the freshplayer wrapper working in Iceweasel?
583 [04:42:26] <michael2> I can't get it to show up in my plugins
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591 [04:48:15] <michael2> nvmd. i figured it out
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613 [05:01:57] <sm00th> lol my windows 10 standard user password was already changed...
614 [05:02:06] <sm00th> woop
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651 [05:30:15] <ross`> my VPS hosting provider only has a reinstall option of Debian 6
652 [05:30:22] <ross`> how clean is a dist-upgrade inside of debian 6
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674 [05:43:15] <f-a> so I have upgradet to Firefox (from iceweasel) and now I am not able to save videos from youtube (I usually right clicked two times on a video and then selected "save"). Is there a way around it?
675 [05:43:38] <f-a> (the problem happening after the upgrade from iceweasel to firefox could be a coincidence)
676 [05:43:50] <f-a> (I say that because youtube-dl refuses to work, too)
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684 [05:45:44] <ponderous> whats the best way to control a debian machine remotely
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686 [05:46:53] <inex> ssh
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690 [05:47:43] <dvs> inex, dont' tell me to be quiet! ;-)
691 [05:48:12] <ponderous> inex: so you can submit commands to the shell over ssh?
692 [05:48:13] <brimonk> ponderous: That depends on how you'd like to control it.
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694 [05:48:22] <brimonk> ponderous: Yes, you can.
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701 [05:50:14] <ponderous> brimonk: so ssh has a big emphasis on security, it encrypts all of the things you send to the other machine. is it the most secure in that regard compared to its alternatives?
702 [05:50:36] <brimonk> ponderous: Compared to alternatives like telnet? It's pretty damn secure.
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705 [05:51:05] <brimonk> ponderous: I guess I'm also not really sure about what the alternatives are though.
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707 [05:51:54] <ponderous> brimonk: i just assumed there are a lot of competing solutions. it seems like a good assumption most of the time with these kinds of things
708 [05:52:29] <ponderous> guess i was wrong
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711 [05:53:03] <brimonk> I mean, if you want a command line only solution, ssh has pretty much won. It wasn't a bad assumption, since most everything has an alternative.
712 [05:53:31] <curtis22> there are alternatives if you want a graphical interface
713 [05:53:59] <brimonk> ponderous: I think you could also look into X forwarding to get graphical apps from the server onto your own desktop.
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715 [05:54:22] <ponderous> alright
716 [05:54:37] <ponderous> im mostly interested in using the shell though
717 [05:54:42] <brimonk> Most of the cli alternative things are actually just the shell. So, you could use bash, which is typically on all *nix machines, but you could also look into zsh & fish. They're alternative shells.
718 [05:55:08] <brimonk> ponderous: So, that might be something you'd like to look into.
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722 [05:56:55] <ponderous> alright. im gonna set up some ssh stuff to tunnel my internet traffic to a secure location and also submit commands to the shell. shenanigans.
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724 [05:57:07] <brimonk> ponderous: Sounds good to me.
725 [05:57:19] <brimonk> ponderous: But, what's that secure location?
726 [05:57:59] <ponderous> brimonk: well im going to college soon so any location where im not using their network
727 [05:58:02] <curtis22> if you want to forward internet traffic you should take a look at OpenVPN
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731 [05:58:56] <ponderous> curtis22: thanks
732 [05:59:00] <ponderous> gotta run
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737 [06:04:37] <ejcx_> Is there an issue tracker somewhere for coreutils? I can't find one anywhere for anybody's coreutils.
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740 [06:06:12] <brimonk> Hey, what's a 'hotplug' in the context of the man page for interfaces?
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742 [06:06:30] <Rusty1> ejcx_: try google: coreutils bug reports
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745 [06:07:20] <ejcx_> Thanks Rusty1. I tried a bit but didn't have great success. Maybe my google is broken where im at =]
746 [06:08:11] <Rusty1> ejcx_: lmgtfy replaced-url
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748 [06:08:42] <ejcx_> Wonderful thanks Rusty1
749 [06:08:43] <somiaj> brimonk: auto-foo lines get used by other programs. udev will trigger an event when your ethernet cable is pluged in (or removed) and run ifup/ifdown on all interfaces that meet the auto-hotplug setting
750 [06:09:17] <somiaj> brimonk: if you look at ifup/down you can send it flags to tell it to only effect the interfaces with the auto-foo line in them. hotplug is the only one that is used by default for ethernet ports
751 [06:09:45] <brimonk> somiaj: Gotcha.
752 [06:10:32] <brimonk> somiaj: Hey, you wouldn't happen to know where to look to configure ethernet devices as a passthrough kind of thing?
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758 [06:11:24] <somiaj> brimonk: what do you mean by pass through? Like a route?
759 [06:12:03] <brimonk> somiaj: I think so. Let me pop in on my laptop so I can copy/paste things as I need.
760 [06:12:20] <brimonk> somiaj: I also had a pastebin of the network topology I'm trying to achieve.
761 [06:12:25] <brimonk> somiaj: But, I'll be right back.
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763 [06:12:30] <somiaj> brimonk: you might want a nat instead
764 [06:12:41] <somiaj> (depends on what you need to do)
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766 [06:13:18] <SimbaLion> Hi, I'm getting a weird error trying to install packages saying they can't be authenticated. I did aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring and apt-key update but it's not fixing it? I'm running Jessie
767 [06:13:22] <brimonk> somiaj: In general, this is what I'd like to do: replaced-url
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769 [06:13:44] <somiaj> SimbaLion: what is the output of apt-cache policy and apt-get update
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771 [06:15:02] <somiaj> brimonk: depends on if they are on the same network or not. I would suggest looking into a nat.
772 [06:15:28] <somiaj> brimonk: replaced-url
773 [06:15:33] <brimonk> somiaj: What do you mean that it depends if they're on the same network or not?
774 [06:15:34] <somiaj> brimonk: something as simple as that may work
775 [06:15:52] <SimbaLion> somiaj, replaced-url
776 [06:16:12] <somiaj> brimonk: a route just pushes the packages through so they would have to live on the same network such as 10.0.0.x, but if say one is 10.0.0.x and the outside is a plublic ip, you'll need to translate the address which is what a nat will do
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779 [06:17:05] <somiaj> SimbaLion: what is the output of 'date'
780 [06:17:36] <SimbaLion> Sat Jun 25 00:17:36 EDT 2016
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783 [06:18:09] <somiaj> SimbaLion: I don't recongnize those mirrors.
784 [06:18:14] <somiaj> !httpredir.debian.org
785 [06:18:15] <dpkg> To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb replaced-url
786 [06:18:24] <somiaj> SimbaLion: try to change your sources.list to use the hppredir.debian.org mirror
787 [06:18:27] <SimbaLion> they're on a official list but I'll try changing it
788 [06:18:35] <somiaj> SimbaLion: you can just comment out the ones for now
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790 [06:19:01] <somiaj> SimbaLion: that is fine, the expired release file is what worries me. Sometimes it is because your date is not set correctly, but that doesn't appear to be the issue, so lets try another mirror
791 [06:19:47] <brimonk> also, just another quickish question, how do I change the font in my TTYs?
792 [06:20:23] <SimbaLion> that fixed it, thanks somiaj! :)
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794 [06:21:42] <somiaj> brimonk: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup (though I had mixed results when running it from an xterm, make sure to run from a console)
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796 [06:23:14] <brimonk> somiaj: I did. I set it to VGA. It looks perfect now.
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891 [07:53:22] <who> hi
892 [07:53:33] <sm00th> hey
893 [07:53:42] <who> is debian is secue than fedora ?
894 [07:53:51] <sm00th> hmm
895 [07:53:58] <sm00th> out the box no.
896 [07:54:02] <sm00th> but it is way more stable.
897 [07:54:12] <who> stable means ?
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900 [07:54:23] <sm00th> things don't crash like they do in fedora.
901 [07:54:28] <sm00th> don't glitch.
902 [07:54:50] <who> I want to use debian for networking use
903 [07:54:52] <sm00th> don't break.
904 [07:54:58] <sm00th> debian is a good choice.
905 [07:55:22] <who> I was a fedora fan
906 [07:55:29] <sm00th> i started on fedora myself.
907 [07:55:37] <who> I cannot compromise in the case of security
908 [07:55:51] <sm00th> hmm
909 [07:55:59] <sm00th> what do you mean by networking use?
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911 [07:56:13] <sm00th> are you going to use it as a server, or a personal desktop.
912 [07:56:35] <sm00th> debian can be made as secure as fedora. and will be even better cause more stable.
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914 [07:56:58] <sm00th> fedora is very buggy last few years for me.
915 [07:57:46] <SimbaLion> debian isn't 'less' secure than fedora..
916 [07:57:57] <sm00th> SimbaLion, I saidout the box.
917 [07:58:02] <sm00th> for example, no firewall on by default.
918 [07:58:08] <sm00th> no mac control
919 [07:58:13] <sm00th> by default.
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921 [07:58:21] <SimbaLion> I guess it depends on who's box
922 [07:58:26] <sm00th> yes
923 [07:59:21] <sm00th> redhat also find alot of the security bugs. but atthe same time it has so many bugs, whos to say they are not exploitable.
924 [07:59:32] <SimbaLion> I think "how to secure distro ______" should be everyone's first google search if they're new to a distro, no matter which one it is
925 [07:59:34] <sm00th> i'd rather have a more stable machine.
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927 [07:59:48] <sm00th> SimbaLion, thereisnot many guides. I wanted to link hardenubuntu.com for him.
928 [07:59:56] <sm00th> but he quit already.
929 [08:00:06] <SimbaLion> apt is better than yum, other than that I think they're basically equal. But Debian has a better philosophy behind it.
930 [08:00:26] <sm00th> well fedora has dnf now. which is a sick jokeon fedora users.
931 [08:00:32] <sm00th> very broken and unescessary
932 [08:00:44] <sm00th> one great thing about yum that apt don't got. is yum history undo lol
933 [08:00:50] <SimbaLion> I dunno I haven't used a redhat based os in at least 2 years
934 [08:01:00] <sm00th> ya I don't blame ya.
935 [08:01:07] <sm00th> since fedora 19 they just aint the same.
936 [08:01:09] <SimbaLion> I never have to undo anything in apt because it never breaks my system
937 [08:01:24] <sm00th> well the most common is people who install another DE andthen want to remove it lol
938 [08:01:27] <sm00th> nigthmare.
939 [08:01:52] <SimbaLion> ah most of the stuff I do is CLI thru ssh... I rarely do anything on a desktop
940 [08:01:53] <sm00th> for me its usually hunting down everything nvidia installslol
941 [08:02:10] <sm00th> a history undo would be nice. but apt is fine for me.
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943 [08:02:45] <sm00th> I mean you can always check apt.log
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946 [08:03:05] <SimbaLion> The free software philosophy makes up for any minor user friendliness deficiencies
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949 [08:03:35] <sm00th> I guess
950 [08:03:57] <sm00th> definitely makes you more aware.
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954 [08:05:50] <sm00th> I think debian is the best all around linux. best of everything imo.
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956 [08:06:38] <sm00th> and I'm at that point now where I just want things to work. I don't need the latest software just to have it. all other distros seem bugged in comparison to me.
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958 [08:07:41] <sm00th> I'm so paranoid sometimes I think they are purposely sabotaged from the inside lol
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971 [08:10:39] <SimbaLion> debian has a great upgrade timeline
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973 [08:10:58] <sm00th> ya all I need is security updates and things to work. who cares what version number it is.
974 [08:11:15] <sm00th> I don't want to be forced to buy new hardware either.
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996 [08:28:37] <brimonk> Is Debian considered to be a 'rolling release'?
997 [08:28:47] <brimonk> Like, you can upgrade versions with aptitude when they're ready.
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999 [08:31:14] <somiaj> brimonk: not really, debian provides and upgrade path but is not a rolling release (in my mind)
1000 [08:31:50] <idosedthekoolaid> hrm yeah i think most consider a clean u/g to consist of a fresh install of newly released version vs what you outline
1001 [08:32:05] <somiaj> brimonk: debian testing/unstable is 'rolling', but I wouldn't call it a release.
1002 [08:32:23] <idosedthekoolaid> though unless something's changed recently, it seems like for all practical purposes you can apt-update indefinitely
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1005 [08:33:09] <idosedthekoolaid> if you use "stable" in the repo list vs. the release name
1006 [08:33:12] <idosedthekoolaid> IIRC anyhew
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1008 [08:34:15] <somiaj> brimonk: but yes you can upgrade to the new release once it is released (or before if you want to test it out)
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1026 [08:44:14] <idosedthekoolaid> ...for FREE!!!!
1027 [08:44:17] <idosedthekoolaid> ;)
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1207 [10:35:59] <google77> hi, anyone here?
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1219 [10:44:48] <google77> Can we use snaps on Debian? If not I hope we will be able to do that one day. Snaps and debs can work together anyways.
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1225 [10:47:50] <brimonk> google77: I'm here.
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1227 [10:48:20] <brimonk> google77: I don't think snaps will work on anything other than ubuntu. Everything that canonical does seems to be pretty baked into Ubuntu.
1228 [10:48:24] <brimonk> Like with unity.
1229 [10:49:09] <brimonk> There's a project to get unity onto arch, but it can't work because of library issues and other Ubuntu component dependencies that aren't in Arch.
1230 [10:49:32] <brimonk> I would doubt it. I think something like flatpaks will take off before then, and snaps will die, just like the Ubuntu desktop.
1231 [10:49:43] <TomTomTo1> except snap markets itself to work with any distribution...
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1233 [10:50:19] <brimonk> Are there any packages built for debian? Like, can I get a deb and install it?
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1235 [10:50:39] <TomTomTosch> they say snap works with debian, but it has very little to do with debian. it's a third party package manager. you woll have to try it ant hope it doesn't destroy your system.
1236 [10:50:56] <brimonk> google77: Why do you want to use snaps on debian?
1237 [10:51:06] <brimonk> google77: Just use the package manager that's already there.
1238 [10:51:20] <TomTomTosch> s/woll/will
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1242 [10:54:19] <google77> Actually brimonk it seems they designed snaps to be pretty portable. The fct that there is an Arch project itself is actually a good sign, since that snappy everywhere story only started recently. Ofcourse they are gonna have some issues at the beginning since they barel just started(they=arch). There is also a port for fedora so it seems to be interoperable even with .rpm's. I would like to use snappy
1243 [10:54:25] <google77> so I can have applications that are both the latest version and relatively stable. Ofcourse there are some other tradeoffs but I say it's worth it. Plus even if snappy never takes off, at least some software will be packaged for it.
1244 [10:54:39] <google77> lol, typos
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1246 [10:55:11] <brimonk> Well, doesn't fedora offer rpms?
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1250 [10:55:29] <brimonk> Just to get it up and running you could find the rpm -> deb tool and use that to get it up and running.
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1254 [10:55:56] <brimonk> I don't know if there will be a Debian package in stable anytime soon though.
1255 [10:56:06] <google77> brimonk yeah but my point is theyre is already snappy for fedora also being worked on which is a proof that you can use snappy even on a .rpm based system, at least in theory.
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1257 [10:56:34] <brimonk> google77: Can you host your own snap server?
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1259 [10:56:56] <brimonk> google77: If I remember correctly, they didn't release the server code, so you can't host your own snaps.
1260 [10:57:21] <brimonk> google77: I could be wrong though.
1261 [10:58:13] <google77> brimonk, IDK tbh. I do remember them saying that distros will be able to offer their own snappy repositories.
1262 [10:58:41] <google77> It might not yet be implemented.
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1264 [10:59:46] <mazert> hello, is there a tool to synchronize two folders with subscription system ? for example : on the remote folder , I would synchronize only some subfolder, and the idea is when we wish to unsubscribe , the local folder is deleted but kept on remote
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1267 [11:00:56] <brimonk> mazert: rsync?
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1269 [11:01:16] <brimonk> mazert: I guess it doesn't have a subscription service...
1270 [11:01:47] <google77> Anyways, I would love to have snappy at least as an option in debian one day. And I hope that both Debian and Canonical work it out.
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1272 [11:02:04] <brimonk> google77: I think Canonical needs to simply go away.
1273 [11:03:37] <google77> That kind of negativity will do nothing good tbh.
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1276 [11:04:06] <mazert> brimonk: it is for a team at work, for project management.
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1278 [11:04:28] <brimonk> mazert: Why doesn't git cut the job?
1279 [11:04:58] <brimonk> s/cut the job/fit the bill
1280 [11:05:14] <mazert> brimonk: because my team are all webdesigner on windows 10 with no knowledges in git on cmdline :p
1281 [11:05:25] <brimonk> use the gui git tool
1282 [11:05:29] <TomTomTosch> google77: you can have it right now on debian, but it's all experimental.
1283 [11:05:40] <mazert> I hoped a simple gui for them
1284 [11:05:47] <brimonk> Yeah, there is a git gui.
1285 [11:06:01] <google77> TomTomTosch,cool... which package?
1286 [11:06:11] <brimonk> You can literally google 'git gui' and find some.
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1288 [11:06:57] <mazert> brimonk: yes i'm agree too, but they will not use this tool. They want a system as simple as owncloud for example.
1289 [11:07:05] <brimonk> Aaaaahhhh...
1290 [11:07:10] <brimonk> Wait,
1291 [11:07:11] <TomTomTosch> google77: you will probably have to wait till someone creates one. and it will not be in the current debian stable for obvious reasons.
1292 [11:07:33] <brimonk> But that doesn't introduce source control. WHICH IS 100% WHAT YOU NEED for any kind of software development.
1293 [11:07:51] <TomTomTosch> google77: or you get it from them directly if you can't wait, they have a git repo.
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1295 [11:08:05] <TomTomTosch> google77: but i would advise to test it in a vm.
1296 [11:08:22] <google77> TomTomTosch Ok...I am on testing now though :D
1297 [11:08:47] <brimonk> mazert: Are they like, your coworkers? Are you their boss? What does the environment look like?
1298 [11:08:58] <mazert> brimonk: our team : 4 designer and 1 dev (me), i use git, but the rest of the team use network drive on a server.
1299 [11:09:35] <TomTomTosch> google77: it's in sid right now. replaced-url
1300 [11:09:45] <brimonk> mazert: Do you have a boss?
1301 [11:10:24] <mazert> brimonk: server on win10 too, so with samba. Yes I have a boss who is graphic designer too
1302 [11:10:30] <musca> google77: replaced-url
1303 [11:10:52] <ChrisH> !ot
1304 [11:10:52] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
1305 [11:11:39] <brimonk> mazert: ChrisH is right. What does this have to do with Debian.
1306 [11:11:40] <brimonk> ?
1307 [11:11:54] <brimonk> I would be more than willing to talk about this in the offtopic channel.
1308 [11:12:32] <TomTomTosch> you were the one asking the ot questions...
1309 [11:12:47] <brimonk> His orignal quesiton was about git, not Debian.
1310 [11:12:51] <mazert> ah, cause i'm replacing the actual configuration by a debian server, and i was looking for a tool who can complete the job
1311 [11:13:36] <mazert> syncing only folders wanted by an user from a server.
1312 [11:13:56] <brimonk> You could use bittorrentsync, I guess.
1313 [11:14:00] <mazert> and disabling a sync will delete the localfilder
1314 [11:14:12] <brimonk> You'd probably have to do that part yourself.
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1323 [11:16:56] <mazert> hmm ok, thanks you for helping. I go take a look on bitorrentsync
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1329 [11:19:04] <google77> musca why use Red hat propaganda to fight Canonical propaganda? Remember that Red hat is responsible for the existence of SystemD?
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1331 [11:20:10] <musca> google77: time to switch to #debian-offtopic
1332 [11:20:12] <bazhang> google77, know a good chat channel?
1333 [11:21:22] <google77> Nah forget it guys I am not that much interested to be in a flame war ATM.
1334 [11:21:50] <google77> So let's just stop talking about this.
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1410 [12:09:56] <google77> Lol I had a typo when talking about Debian...Stable->Stale
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1428 [12:20:30] <plasmoduck> I'm planing a romantic evening with my girlfriend, does anyone know some program that will display a candle flame on my monitors?
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1430 [12:20:58] <plasmoduck> I have candles lit all around the room but I thought the candles on the screens would be a nice touch.
1431 [12:22:31] <petn-randall> plasmoduck: I'm guessing your girlfriend would be more happy if you turn your computer off on that occasion. ;P
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1434 [12:22:56] <plasmoduck> petn-randall, I need it on for the Kenny G ;-)
1435 [12:23:29] <teraflops> plasmoduck: cacafire
1436 [12:23:41] <plasmoduck> I'm thinking xscreensaver may have something like that.
1437 [12:23:59] <plasmoduck> thanks teraflops I'll check it out :-)
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1452 [12:27:48] <plasmoduck> teraflops, niceeee ^5
1453 [12:27:54] <teraflops> ^
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1547 [13:34:32] <dgriffi> if I get "Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error" in dmesg while copying from the bad drive to a good drive, does that mean that my good drive has a corrupted copy?
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1555 [13:38:33] <anarxia> anyone else having problems with samba 4.4.4 not starting? I get Status: "daemon failed to start: Samba detected misconfigured 'server role' and exited. Check logs for details"
1556 [13:40:23] <hexnewbie> dgriffi: It makes a corrupted/incomplete copy much more likely (corruption is possible even with a drive with no damage/read errors). But you can try ddrescue, which can retry reads in case of read errors, or fill holes with zeros. (Mostly if you're trying to copy the whole device)
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1560 [13:41:34] <dgriffi> hexnewbie: I guess the drive is toast then. fortunately it was a convenience drive. I can rebuild it from other stuff
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1601 [14:12:44] <petn-randall> ,v samba
1602 [14:12:45] <judd> Package: samba on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security-lts: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze13; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u9; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u10; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2;
1603 [14:12:46] <judd> jessie-security: 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3; jessie-proposed-updates: 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3; stretch: 2:4.4.3+dfsg-4; sid: 2:4.4.4+dfsg-1
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1606 [14:13:37] <petn-randall> anarxia: Which release are you running? 4.4.4 is not in stable.
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1611 [14:15:02] <petn-randall> brimonk: In the directory where it should take effect.
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1727 [15:24:12] <Loeb> What's the easiest way to use pci stub to blacklist a graphics card on boot? I don't think mkinitcpio is a debian thing
1728 [15:25:02] <cwood> Not sure what pci stub is, but why not just blacklist the kernel module?
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1732 [15:26:04] <Loeb> Not sure exactly what I need to do. The goal is to keep the nvidia driver from grabbing the card so I can pass it through. I'm not familiar with doing things like that yet.
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1734 [15:26:33] <cwood> Sorry, only done the "do not load" thing here. Not really familiar with that thing.
1735 [15:27:00] <Loeb> It might work. At the very least I gotta disable it so the drivers will grab my secondary card and use it for the desktop.
1736 [15:27:07] <Loeb> How do you go about blacklisting it in the kernel?
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1738 [15:28:26] <cwood> For me I have "blacklist nouveau" for instance in /etc/modprobe.d/something.conf to blacklist that driver.
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1740 [15:28:46] <cwood> And then run "depmod -a" iirc.
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1742 [15:29:43] <Loeb> nvidia.conf?
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1747 [15:32:06] <cwood> Don't think the filename matters, it's just an include file.
1748 [15:32:17] <Loeb> Ah.
1749 [15:32:42] <Loeb> There's already a file for blacklisting nouveau... I think the nonfree nvidia driver put that in on install?
1750 [15:33:08] <Loeb> nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf
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1752 [15:34:11] <cwood> Likely, just using it as an example. You would need to blacklist the nvidia driver maybe?
1753 [15:34:23] <cwood> Like I said, not too sure here. :D
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1755 [15:34:53] <Loeb> Yeah, what the guide is telling me to do is to use pci stub to grab the graphics card before the nvidia driver can
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1763 [15:37:39] <Loeb> If I knew more about the driver, an option might be to uninstall the drivers, physically remove the card I want to passthrough, reinstall drivers and then put the card back in
1764 [15:38:05] <cwood> It still sounds like the kernel would pick up the hardware on boot and load the driver.
1765 [15:38:26] <Loeb> But I think right now it says the drivers are being used for my secondary card that I inserted after the drivers were installed the first time
1766 [15:38:28] <Loeb> Yeah.
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1768 [15:38:44] <Loeb> But right now I'm not getting output from that card.
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1791 [15:46:15] <jak2000> hi all
1792 [15:46:34] <Headcrush> hi jak2000
1793 [15:46:37] <jak2000> how to change the time of ask a password with command sudo?
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1796 [15:47:49] <jelly> jak2000: man sudoers, search for timestamp (or timeout), then use "visudo" to change the config file
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1815 [15:49:54] <jak2000> jelly done: Defaults:jsmith timestamp_timeout=30 its ok?
1816 [15:50:02] <jak2000> need restart something?
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1818 [15:51:08] <jelly> if visudo did not complain about invalid syntax it's probably ok
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2142 [15:56:34] <nickenchuggets> is it possible to have a completely passwordless account?
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2147 [15:57:50] <hyphie> hi!
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2151 [15:58:09] <hyphie> I've got a weird issue, I haven't been able to run apt-get update since yesterday
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2156 [15:58:25] <Wulf> hyphie: what keeps you from doing it?
2157 [15:58:36] <hyphie> I'll copy/paste the error
2158 [15:58:38] <hyphie> E: The repository 'replaced-url
2159 [15:58:38] <hyphie> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
2160 [15:58:38] <hyphie> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
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2162 [15:58:39] <joze> brexit causes some internet troubles
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2164 [15:58:44] <hyphie> haha
2165 [15:58:46] <hyphie> sorry...
2166 [15:58:54] <hyphie> I get this error for every repo
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2168 [15:59:06] <hyphie> has anyone else encountered this issue?
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2171 [15:59:36] <Wulf> hyphie: is "Release" also in your sources.list?
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2175 [15:59:53] <Wulf> hyphie: my sources.list contains: "deb replaced-url
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2177 [15:59:58] <hyphie> nope
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2179 [16:00:16] <jelly> hyphie: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and the complete output of "apt-get update"
2180 [16:00:27] <hyphie> okay
2181 [16:00:34] <jhutchins> !paste
2182 [16:00:34] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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2185 [16:01:33] <hyphie> replaced-url
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2187 [16:01:50] <hyphie> some of it is in french though
2188 [16:02:04] <hyphie> Format de date inconnu --> unknown date format
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2195 [16:02:41] <jelly> oh, then
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2198 [16:02:48] <jelly> !localized errors
2199 [16:02:48] <dpkg> Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
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2202 [16:02:52] <hyphie> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait --> reading package lists... done
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2204 [16:03:34] <hyphie> uh...
2205 [16:03:44] <jelly> why do you have repos for unstable enabled together with repos for jessie?
2206 [16:03:48] <hyphie> I just re-ran apt-get update with the english locale
2207 [16:03:52] <hyphie> and it just worked :|
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2209 [16:04:31] <hyphie> good question
2210 [16:04:33] <eti> Does Geary checks for emails even when it is closed ?
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2212 [16:05:16] <hyphie> I should maybe clean that up
2213 [16:05:18] <hyphie> anyway...
2214 [16:05:56] <hyphie> apt-get update works with LC_ALL=C for some reason
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2219 [16:06:57] <jelly> does it still not work with your fr locale after that?
2220 [16:07:01] <hyphie> nope
2221 [16:07:08] <hyphie> same output as before
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2223 [16:07:48] <jelly> weird. Since you're running unstable you probably know how to file a bug
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2225 [16:08:16] <hyphie> yeah
2226 [16:08:27] <hyphie> I wanted to check whether somebody else ran into the same issue
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2228 [16:09:01] <jelly> !debian-next
2229 [16:09:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2231 [16:09:22] <jelly> ^^ is where you probably want to ask
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2233 [16:09:28] <hyphie> yeah
2234 [16:09:49] <hyphie> I tried here first since no repo at all worked, it didn't seem specific to sid
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2236 [16:10:18] <hyphie> interestingly, I have the exact same issue with apt-get upgrade now: doesn't work with my french locale, works with the english one
2237 [16:10:30] <jelly> I'm assuming you're running a version of apt from sid...
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2239 [16:10:51] <hyphie> yeah makes sense
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2241 [16:10:59] <hyphie> I'm going to ask there :)
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2243 [16:11:29] <hyphie> unfortunately the last time I filed a locale-specific bug (not in debian though) was 3 years ago and the bug has never been fixed, haha
2244 [16:11:32] <fch> What is best virtualization software for other os?
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2246 [16:12:00] <hyphie> well anyway
2247 [16:12:01] <fch> From debian
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2249 [16:12:06] <hyphie> thanks :)
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2284 [16:19:21] <nohair> hello im recenty install mailnag but i have trouble gi.require_version('GLib', '2.0') AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'require_version' how to fix it
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2286 [16:19:42] <nohair> please guide me :(
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2317 [16:32:59] <pailaps> hi
2318 [16:33:11] <pailaps> how does one get a custom keymap to work in xrdp?
2319 [16:33:30] <pailaps> i first generated xrdp-genkeymap /etc/xrdp/km-040a.ini
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2332 [16:38:10] <pailaps> setxkbmap -layout et -model pc105
2333 [16:38:10] <pailaps> XKB extension not present on :11.0
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2404 [17:12:21] <unborn> fch do you need 3d graphics acceleration? btw debian does not create any virtualization software. you can use very simple and good virtualbox or vmware which is not open source and it cost money, its slower then virtualbox and it also cost money
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2420 [17:20:01] <aguitel> what the best way to hide my ass when downloading torrents ?
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2422 [17:20:37] <AimHere> The very best way is to not download torrents that people want to hunt you for
2423 [17:20:38] <phogg> aguitel: wear pants
2424 [17:21:08] <aguitel> jeje
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2426 [17:21:40] <phogg> aguitel: this isn't a "how to be sneaky and get away with things" channel, so seek elsewhere
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2474 [17:48:05] <woshty> If dkms get runs whatever package installation triggered the run should fail
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2476 [17:48:15] <woshty> .. if dkms fails
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2551 [18:21:39] <mayhewj-> Hey all, in the Debian installer I'm having an error in the step "Detect and mount CD-ROM". It's unable to do so. I'm installing via a USB boot drive that I made with `dd`. Any ideas?
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2557 [18:24:08] <sm00th> guys is it normal for every debian kde install to have a diff default cursor color?
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2572 [18:29:34] <mayhewj-> Nevermind, I figured out a way to specify the installation media was at `/dev/sdd` and it's working now.
2573 [18:29:51] <mayhewj-> It's a shame that's not automated though. Debian should be easy to install.
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2575 [18:30:52] <mixxit> anyone know why i cant see my nas
2576 [18:31:05] <mixxit> im on debian 9 using kde5
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2578 [18:31:44] <mtn> mayhewj-: I use usb installers all the time, never had the error you report
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2593 [18:43:25] <npo> what's the best way to get python3.5 installed on jessie?
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2596 [18:45:26] <TomTomTosch> ,checkbackport python3
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2598 [18:45:51] <TomTomTosch> hmpf
2599 [18:45:52] <judd> Backporting package python3 in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: python3.5 (>= 3.5.1-13~), python3.5-minimal:any.
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2601 [18:46:35] <TomTomTosch> ,checkbackport python3.5
2602 [18:46:36] <judd> Backporting package python3.5 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
2603 [18:46:41] <TomTomTosch> there it is.
2604 [18:46:55] <TomTomTosch> !tell npo about ssb
2605 [18:47:02] <npo> I get an 'unable to locate package' error :<
2606 [18:47:05] <npo> oh
2607 [18:47:37] <TomTomTosch> npo: a backport does not exist, but you can create one. the bot told you how to.
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2609 [18:48:02] <npo> TomTomTosch: oh ok that makes more sense, thanks :>
2610 [18:48:27] <npo> embarassed to say i don't know how to add a deb-src line for sid, but am googling
2611 [18:48:42] <npo> just this? deb-src replaced-url
2612 [18:48:43] <TomTomTosch> npo: good luck not breaking other stuff that depends on python3.
2613 [18:48:50] <npo> hmm
2614 [18:48:56] <npo> i don't want to break anything
2615 [18:49:18] <TomTomTosch> npo: /msg dpkg deb-src sid
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2617 [18:49:45] <npo> thanks
2618 [18:49:46] <TomTomTosch> i don't know if it breaks anything. it might not. just saying i havn't tested it.
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2622 [18:51:48] <doublehp> !inittab
2623 [18:51:49] <dpkg> [inittab] /etc/inittab is where you configure the <init> program, to set up the basic startup routines. Do not play with it if you do not know what you are doing, or you will have a happy floppy rescue party!
2624 [18:52:02] <doublehp> !noinittab
2625 [18:52:05] <doublehp> !nomoreinittab
2626 [18:52:21] <TomTomTosch> doublehp: /msg dpkg <some factoid>
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2628 [18:52:48] <doublehp> TomTomTosch: maybe people around will tell me what i need by asking here
2629 [18:53:35] <TomTomTosch> then asking a coherent question might be more effective.
2630 [18:53:42] <unborn> aguitel: download them privately from friends.. actually downloading anything is not illegal.. its when you share the copyrighted material which is happening as you downloading as well.. or move out from usa :)
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2632 [18:54:47] <doublehp> 1: since inittab have been removed, where do i customise the PowerButton action (CtrlAltSup ) ?
2633 [18:54:54] <doublehp> 2: since inittab have been removed, where can I setup RESPAWN services ?
2634 [18:55:00] <doublehp> 3: when I do halt, ssh clients are no more notified and closed; how do I fix this ?
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2636 [18:55:10] <doublehp> 4: how do I set numlock for consoles at boot time ?
2637 [18:55:25] <doublehp> 5: how do I get real poweroff ?
2638 [18:55:39] <doublehp> how do i switch names eth0-eth1 ?
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2641 [18:57:34] <doublehp> for interfaces: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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2652 [19:01:40] <teraflops> 1) logind.conf 2) each systemd unit cares about repawn itself _Restart=always_ 3) it's a debian bug iirc 4) something like that replaced-url
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2659 [19:03:31] <aguitel> unborn, i downloading movies from torrents sites to watch movies
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2661 [19:04:04] <unborn> aguitel: sure.. I answered you correctly to your question
2662 [19:04:31] <doublehp> teraflops: reinstalled system 5 times, 5 different ways, and now, it seems to work, about the way I need.
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2665 [19:06:37] <unborn> aguitel: oh there is one other way.. you can purchase srv somewhere in torrent free country (there is plenty) and you can install transmission cli on srv with web gui and download movies there.. and then from your srv to your machine - OR install vpn on that srv and connect your machine while downloading torrent onto your machine. that is private as well. there is no other way.
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2668 [19:08:11] <doublehp> teraflops: 1: i can't find any mention to halt/reboot/power/Ctrl in /etc/login.defs . 2: I used to put loads of home made scripts in there; like 15 or 20 lines; and this was way easier and faster than creating scripts in /etc/init.d; for daemons I never want to kill, inittab was just perfect.
2669 [19:09:15] <doublehp> teraflops: 3&5: used to work better before I reinstall. 4: most google answers are deprecated (many people even mention "this answer does not work any more for Ubunto since 2012 ... or so ).
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2672 [19:10:23] <teraflops> doublehp: dont use systemd if you dont want it
2673 [19:10:47] <naptastic> Is it possible to configure a user account such that someone could SSH into it with no authentication whatsoever, and non-interactively?
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2676 [19:11:39] <doublehp> teraflops: I did not configured anything yet; for now, I have only cared about BOOTING. network card works; USB Devices are accepted; kernel mounts the good partition; the only customisation I did for now is ... my ssh-RSA files.
2677 [19:11:49] <doublehp> teraflops: what else can I use ?
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2680 [19:12:36] <teraflops> for what specifically?
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2682 [19:12:48] <doublehp> naptastic: ssh, by essence, needs an authentification. you can either accept empty password, or use RSA auth, or set the username as password
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2684 [19:13:15] <teraflops> naptastic: use keys
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2686 [19:13:19] <doublehp> naptastic: for authentification-less services, use telnet
2687 [19:13:30] <Brigo> doublehp, the commands reboot, halt and poweroff remains, as links, but you still can use them.
2688 [19:13:46] <naptastic> hmm, ok.
2689 [19:13:53] <unborn> doublehp: you can use ssh keys with username and pass as combo or just username and password or just ssh keys..
2690 [19:14:01] <unborn> I would suggest only ssh keys
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2692 [19:14:22] <Brigo> doublehp, you can use the old sysvinit instead of systemd.
2693 [19:14:38] <doublehp> Brigo: halt shows a message on locale console only, and stays there. No warning in remote consoles; and PSU does not really go off (used to work before reinstall)
2694 [19:14:41] <teraflops> doublehp: stop suggesting telnet, it's not 1980 anymore
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2696 [19:15:01] <unborn> telnet in 2016? with ssh option? - unbelievable..
2697 [19:15:04] <doublehp> teraflops: tell that to the Munin team
2698 [19:15:19] <teraflops> doublehp: also it's poweroff what you want, not halt
2699 [19:15:43] <Brigo> doublehp, that was a bug, halt should never go off, use poweroff instead.
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2701 [19:16:25] <naptastic> right... what I'm looking for is anyone (including people I don't know) to be able to connect, and the connection is encrypted.
2702 [19:17:03] <Loeb> LOL! I got spooked for a second because I rebooted and everything I had done since my last reboot was gone... turns out I was working on the drive I had just cloned, and not the new one.
2703 [19:17:16] <unborn> naptastic: connect to what if I can ask?
2704 [19:17:24] <Loeb> Now to figure out why grub is picking drives at random...
2705 [19:17:37] <unborn> naptastic: ah you mean ssh?
2706 [19:17:43] <naptastic> unborn, yeah
2707 [19:18:01] <naptastic> unborn, the idea is that this hypothetical account's shell is set to a binary I control, so they can't actually *do* anything except interface with my program.
2708 [19:18:01] <teraflops> naptastic: use keys not passwords
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2710 [19:18:14] <naptastic> teraflops, that's not the point. How do I use *neither*?
2711 [19:18:15] <unborn> naptastic: sure, you can have password less auth with ssh keys.. when you generate the key, you just hit enter and enter when it is asked for password..
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2713 [19:18:48] <teraflops> naptastic: you only have to write the passphrase once
2714 [19:18:59] <unborn> naptastic: that way when your ssh key is presented on your system, you just do ssh@yourserver and you will be connected without any passwords asked for
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2716 [19:19:09] <teraflops> idk if you can even avoid the passphrase
2717 [19:19:15] <naptastic> right, I understand how keypair auth works; I use it all the time.
2718 [19:19:26] <naptastic> (So much more convenient.)
2719 [19:19:29] <unborn> you can make that ssh keys public or share with other people if you wish
2720 [19:19:42] <naptastic> ...I guess that could work.
2721 [19:19:43] <teraflops> naptastic: yeah it's the proper way imo
2722 [19:20:22] <naptastic> yeah, actually that's how I should go--a shared private key :) Since someone would be downloading client software anyway, I'll just bundle the key with it...
2723 [19:21:20] <doublehp> teraflops Brigo: yes, halt and poweroff used to be aliases; ther are not any more. -5- fixed
2724 [19:21:32] <unborn> naptastic: ah is that for updates of your own software ? then create separate key and as you suggested bundle into your software .. that would work
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2728 [19:22:12] <teraflops> doublehp: you fixed halt? really? I'm stunned
2729 [19:22:25] <teraflops> I was being ironic btw
2730 [19:22:43] <unborn> smoutz: how can I help?
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2734 [19:23:16] <doublehp> naptastic: then, publish the password (and rewrite the passwd file regularly)
2735 [19:23:17] <teraflops> smoutz: yeah ask in here unless youre a silly bot
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2740 [19:24:45] <unborn> teraflops: its human I think.. but pms with questions without point.. this was actually test before I put it onto my ingore list
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2743 [19:25:35] <trebor_home> under debian8, how can i detect paths to wine32- and wine64-libs?
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2746 [19:26:38] <unborn> trebor_home: I think that question is better to ask on wine channel.. or even better would be installing windows in virtuabox and use it normally
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2749 [19:27:33] <smoutz> unborn: I just like saying hi to debian fans from time to time
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2751 [19:27:40] <smoutz> teraflops: I am not a bot :P
2752 [19:27:44] <teraflops> okeee
2753 [19:28:36] <trebor_home> unborn: thanks, i thought asking here would be more appropriate, because it seems to me to be debian8 specific (there is no windows here, so no option)
2754 [19:28:37] <doublehp> smoutz: we are busy working; be constructive, of go away. on this server, most people dislike being messaged in private
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2756 [19:29:44] <doublehp> teraflops: I am sorry, but I did not ask for systemd; if it's installed, then, it's debian default (stretch)
2757 [19:30:01] <unborn> smoutz: you can say it here.. no reason to pm without reason.. fans or not, please dont pm me just because you are bored or something. Thanks.
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2759 [19:30:23] <smoutz> unborn: ok, sorry
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2761 [19:30:30] <trebor_home> sorry, forgot to say "hello" first ; )
2762 [19:30:39] <teraflops> doublehp: also debian testing is not supported here, try #debian-next in oftc network
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2764 [19:31:26] <doublehp> I knew something had to be wrong; having my system boot, and work was too good to be true
2765 [19:31:28] <unborn> trebor_home: Do you need iso? I can get link from mircosoft website if you want
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2767 [19:32:23] <trebor_home> unborn: thanks, no that is not the path i want to go. thank you very much.
2768 [19:33:23] <unborn> trebor_home: I think wine is program it self.. so it should be same as it was.. sorry if I am not that helpful. I've done with wine and playonlinux in 2009.. back in those days it was more unstable and bad, so for one app I use (photoshop) I have windows installed in virtualbox.. which runs as a program in linux (if you did not know) however its stable and everything works on it.. no tweaks or hacks
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2772 [19:35:54] <unborn> trebor_home: dont get me wrong.. but I think virtualization is the future and things like wine are past (thanks god). I mean if you are happy with wine then enjoy it.
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2774 [19:38:54] <trebor_home> unborn: sorry, thank you very much, i know virtualization, but i will not buy windows. all i needed worked perfect in wine in the past. on this machine i made some mistakes, but if i get the right information about wine-paths i think i get it working, too. so no windows for me, thank you very much. but there is nothing you can say which will convince me to go that way.
2775 [19:41:26] <unborn> trebor_home: this may help replaced-url
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2781 [19:43:32] <unborn> i didnt want to convince anyone meh just suggested the option..
2782 [19:45:28] <Gaiseric> trebor_home: Wine is a compromise - a horrible one. If I may ask, whaqt do you need it for? There might be much better alternatives that do not require a Windows license.
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2793 [19:49:20] <trebor_home> Gaiseric: i need it only for one program: taxes. and yes it worked for years now. but on this machine i made a mistake installing wine64 first
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2796 [19:49:48] <somiaj> trebor_home: do you have multiarch enabled?
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2800 [19:50:25] <trebor_home> somiaj: not that i know of, how can i check this?
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2803 [19:51:07] <somiaj> trebor_home: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
2804 [19:51:59] <trebor_home> somiaj: i get i386 as result
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2809 [19:52:35] <trebor_home> somiaj: i remember doing dpkg --add-architecture i386 before ...
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2813 [19:53:53] <somiaj> trebor_home: did you instaall the 32bit version of wine? should be like wine:i386 or wine32:i386 (forget the package name as I use my own custom versino of wine)
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2816 [19:57:01] <trebor_home> somiaj: yes, i did install wine32
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2819 [19:57:38] <somiaj> trebor_home: it might just be you need to clean out yoru WINEPREFIX
2820 [19:57:46] <Devastator_> I'm about to install Debian in dual boot with Windows 10 on a brand new SSD. I don't know much about UEFI, but I think my motherboard is UEFI, any steps I have to take care of before starting? maybe check if my ethernet card is supported?
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2822 [19:58:29] <somiaj> trebor_home: have you tried to move .wine to another directory and then try to run the app using the 32bit version of wine. You can also use custom WINEPREFIX. I do this for different apps. WINEPREFIX="/home/username/.wine-identifier" wine path/to/app
2823 [19:58:57] <somiaj> Devastator_: for UEFI the main thing is turn off secure boot and make sure you use an offical debian installer (not a live image)
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2825 [19:59:16] <somiaj> Devastator_: as for your network card, we would need to know the chipset of the card to tell you if it is supported (note most network cards are supported)
2826 [19:59:34] <somiaj> (but most wifi and some wired will require non-free firmware)
2827 [19:59:59] <trebor_home> somiaj: i will try this one, thanks.
2828 [20:00:07] <Devastator_> let me check, it is intel, but I guess it might need non-free firmware
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2832 [20:01:22] <Devastator_> ,pciid 8086:15b8
2833 [20:01:23] <judd> [8086:15b8] is 'Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
2834 [20:01:30] <somiaj> Devastator_: intell wifi? or intel wired?
2835 [20:01:35] <Gaiseric> trebor_home: Oh, I see :(
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2839 [20:01:57] <Devastator_> ata_generic and snd-hda-intel?!
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2841 [20:02:22] <somiaj> Devastator_: the bot doesn't always find the correct device and spits out that genric response
2842 [20:02:36] <somiaj> Devastator_: the actual chipset (as opposed to pciid) can be a bit more useful
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2845 [20:02:54] <Devastator_> somiaj Intel i219-V
2846 [20:03:06] <Devastator_> wired
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2849 [20:03:21] <trebor_home> somiaj: perfect, thanks. renaming .wine and doing wine32 xxx.exe works like a charm.
2850 [20:03:41] <somiaj> trebor_home: yea you just had a 64bit wineprefix created
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2854 [20:04:50] <somiaj> Devastator: well I'm not finding any exact info except I do see mention it is supported by the linux kernel (unsure what version though)
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2857 [20:05:09] <somiaj> Devastator: I would do the install and if it isn't supported by the default 3.16 kernel in jessie, you may need to get the 4.5 kernel form backports
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2859 [20:05:25] <somiaj> Devastator: I wasn't able to find what exact kernel version support for that chip was added, but I do see support
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2862 [20:06:11] <Devastator> somiaj any special care regarding SSD? I know Linux supports TRIM by default, I just want to be sure hehe
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2864 [20:06:25] <Devastator> somiaj first SSD, first UEFI board, lots of questions, sorry
2865 [20:06:34] <unborn> Devastator: you can try live dvd with cable plugged in.. most of the times ethernet cable connection works.. I have to see one which does not work yet..
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2867 [20:06:58] <Devastator> unborn good idea!
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2873 [20:08:16] <somiaj> Devastator: the live dvd won't test efi for you though. YOu need to use legacy boot for the live image.
2874 [20:08:58] <Devastator> somiaj hum..
2875 [20:09:01] <somiaj> Devastator: as for SSD, there is a wiki page about them, but I don't think they need much special love these days. A lot of the issues with SSD's were with the first few generations and I would expect the modern drives don't require these extra options, though they can be used if wanted.
2876 [20:09:11] <unborn> Devastator: you can install non-free version if you want however I would suggest you to have cable plugged in during installation and select connection over cable.. drivers would be present in non-free system after install. I found that sometimes it does not connect to wifi during installation, you know..
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2878 [20:10:14] <unborn> Devastator: also I am on ssd.. just install debian normally as you would any other os, it will just work perfectly
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2881 [20:11:10] <Devastator> somiaj, unborn thank you, one "last" question, maybe wiki can answer this as well, is there an specific order I should follow to install Debian and Windows 10? normally I would install Windows first and Debian later, I don't know if it changed somehow
2882 [20:11:27] <somiaj> Devastator: with efi this is not as important (provided windows uses efi correctly)
2883 [20:11:33] <somiaj> Devastator: but standard advise is debian second
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2885 [20:11:44] <Devastator> got it
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2887 [20:12:01] <somiaj> Devastator: but with efi, windows and debian should be able to put their own efi files int he efi partition, and thus you can choose which one to boot from the uefi firmware and not have to use a bootloader
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2890 [20:12:51] <unborn> I agree with somiaj however if you have spare hdd, just pop it into machine and have trial play.. normally if I am doing dual boot for my mates and clients I usually install debian as second
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2892 [20:13:05] <Devastator> somiaj someone advised me yesterday about creating the partitions with GPT instead of MBR
2893 [20:13:19] <Devastator> I don't know if it makes sense or not..
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2897 [20:13:53] <somiaj> Devastator: you have to use GPT with efi
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2902 [20:14:42] <somiaj> Devastator: at least that is my understanding, MBR doesn't have an 'efi partition' specification, which is required
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2910 [20:15:45] <Devastator> my plan was like this: 1- Debian Live on a flash drive, 2- Use it to create two GPT partitions, 3- Install Windows 10, 4- Install Debian from "DVD-1"
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2915 [20:17:45] <unborn> Devastator: you can have usb stick with gparted on.. handy for future usage
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2921 [20:18:18] <Devastator> unborn gparted is gdisk with a GUI?
2922 [20:18:41] <somiaj> parted witha guid
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2924 [20:19:11] <unborn> Devastator: replaced-url
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2929 [20:20:07] <Devastator> somiaj that could work, I guess they are pratically the same, no? I just remembered the guy who advised me about GPT also told me about gdisk.. I'm used to cfdisk, fdisk hehe
2930 [20:20:50] <unborn> meh I was thinking you talking about gparted as in short aka gpt, my bad
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2932 [20:21:39] <somiaj> Devastator: gdisk would work too. parted is kinda a universial tool that does both mbr and gpt. And gparted is a gui frontend to it (that can deal with various different partition types)
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2935 [20:22:29] <Devastator> to be honest, I feel like a dinossaur
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2937 [20:22:45] <Devastator> took me too long to get new hardware heh
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2939 [20:23:13] <Loeb> How exactly do I go about adding pci-stub to the initramfs in debian?
2940 [20:23:25] <Loeb> mkinitcpio isn't available for some silly reason
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2942 [20:24:23] <somiaj> Devastator: I actually like efi. And for the most part the debian installer hides everything from you (unless you really care). The only real thing to realize about efi in my experience is 1) You hae to boot your system in efi to use it (so make sure you aren't using legacy boot on the installer), and 2) you have to use GPT partition tables and have an efi (fat16 i belive) partition
2943 [20:24:38] <unborn> Devastator: I share you feelings.. I felt same after reading win10 eula :)
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2959 [20:34:54] <ven00m> hi all
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2962 [20:35:43] <curtis22> hi
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2995 [20:48:14] <Devastator> somiaj how the ,pciid command works? does it get whatever it is in kmuto's page?
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3003 [20:51:18] <somiaj> Devastator: I'm unsure what pciid database the bot is using to look it up in
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3008 [20:52:41] <Devastator> somiaj I don't know if it is useful, but I've find my ethernet card support was added in kernel 4.1, using the module e1000e, should I report it somewhere?
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3010 [20:54:18] <somiaj> Devastator: what do you mean report it somewhere? I don't know of a place to put that info, I would just move on and realize that you'll have to upgrade to the kernel from jessie-backports to get your ethernet working.
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3016 [20:55:29] <Devastator> somiaj sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant to added this info for the bot, so if someone else check the same pciid it would report correctly
3017 [20:55:37] <google77> any Cisco or general networking people around here?
3018 [20:56:31] <somiaj> Devastator: as I said i'm unsure what database the bot uses. So can't be of much help there. My suggestion is just move on.
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3020 [20:56:45] <somiaj> google77: use ##networking if you are looking for networking support
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3022 [20:57:02] <Devastator> sure thing :)
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3024 [20:57:14] <google77> somiaj I just want to share my story of installing packettracer on Debian.
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3028 [20:57:48] <google77> somiaj, is that OK?
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3032 [20:59:16] <google77> Turns out that to use packettracer 6.2 on testing I had to install an old package from wheezy.
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3035 [20:59:42] <somiaj> google77: the topic is more support than sharing stories, and if you got it to work, sharing the info here may not be recorded nicely for the next person who runs into what you did.
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3062 [21:06:57] <doublehp> teraflops: #debian-next people have fixed all my issues
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3064 [21:07:26] <teraflops> that's great
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3081 [21:13:45] <unborn> somiaj: i do share your support spirit here but I think google77 should not need to ask for permission about to share anything.. thats what irc is about to talk. I mean if channel is generally busy sure thing, off topic should be discussed elsewhere but right now channel is not that much busy. no one should ask for permission to share something here.. it will end up that people would be even scared to ask generally question regards problem.. you was com
3082 [21:13:45] <unborn> pletely fine with wine just few minutes ago - is wine debian?
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3089 [21:16:19] <somiaj> unborn: my comment was more that it shouldn't be shared here, but there might be better places (say the wiki) to record the solution that was found.
3090 [21:16:22] <mrobot> can I install debian in the pentium III wiht 256 megas ram. it is in console mode, no lxde.
3091 [21:16:35] <somiaj> mrobot: that is above the minimium requirements, so yes.
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3093 [21:16:52] <somiaj> mrobot: replaced-url
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3098 [21:18:12] <mrobot> somiaj, but it can´t run the server apache or mysql with 256 megas?
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3103 [21:18:41] <somiaj> mrobot: with a swap it might, but it will be slow (a lot may depend on actual load/use though)
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3105 [21:19:17] <unborn> mrobot: it will be deadly slow
3106 [21:19:24] <unborn> for static sites and files yeah sure
3107 [21:20:00] <mrobot> ok, thanks
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3121 [21:22:38] <tako> hey is there any app to change my wallpaper day by day automatically
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3125 [21:25:45] <google77> tako I think 'feh' can do it.
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3138 [21:33:53] <awwal> tako, which DE/WM you run?
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3149 [21:41:27] <somiaj> tako: lots of apps can change teh wallpaper, I use feh as google77 mentioned. Then just make a cronjob to run it once a day.
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3154 [21:44:06] <eSa|> when I do "ifup eth0" the net goes up as espected but I have to it manually each time I boot. Can I quickly solve?
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3158 [21:45:09] <tako> i'm using debian stable
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3161 [21:45:38] <tako> and i just installed this one now replaced-url
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3163 [21:46:01] <tako> i'm using GNOME
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3171 [21:48:17] <pvoigt> I have enabled CSM on my Fujitsu Lifebook but the netinst on my USB stick starts in UEFI mode. How can I boot the installer into CSM mode?
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3180 [21:52:28] <tako> ops it was buggy
3181 [21:52:42] <tako> what is feh ?
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3184 [21:54:14] <mutante> tako: an image viewer tool
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3189 [21:56:17] <unborn> tako you can try this: replaced-url
3190 [21:56:39] <unborn> set this in your cron for every 10 minutes or 24 hours
3191 [21:56:45] <unborn> or at boot
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3197 [21:59:58] <tako> unborn, thank you but i dont wanna search for wallpapers i need an app that find them for me
3198 [22:00:15] <tako> because i'm boring from my wallpapers
3199 [22:00:24] <tako> i need something like Bing :)
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3202 [22:00:36] <mutante> tako: it already randomizes them
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3206 [22:01:00] <unborn> that would randomises them tako
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3208 [22:01:20] <mutante> tako: "search and pick a random one" and "find for me" ... same thing
3209 [22:02:02] <eSa|> an answer..... tomorrow is another day
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3211 [22:02:39] <mutante> tako: here's another thing you can do , just open replaced-url
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3236 [22:14:43] <pvoigt> Yeah, looks like kernel boot parameter "noefi" is what I am looking for. My machine is being installed rigth now. Looks good so far. Proceeding with fingers crossed...
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3263 [22:28:22] <markerz18> ok so here is the update. so i have kali 2016 on my usb right? when i boot from it live, and i run the apt-get install virtualbox command, everything installs perfect. however if you install the system and then boot it from hard drive, then try apt-get install virtualbox, it installs, but fails with the kernel messages and what have you (even though they are installed) so what exactly is causing this? whats the difference?
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3270 [22:33:02] <AlexLikeRock> help with this replaced-url
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3276 [22:37:06] <wsky> ayone uses skype on debian stable 64 bit?
3277 [22:37:14] <wsky> AMD64 that is
3278 [22:37:34] <wsky> since some time i'm getting skype: symbol lookup error: skype: undefined symbol: _ZN19QAbstractProxyModel11setItemDataERK11QModelIndexRK4QMapIi8QVariantE whebever i try to run it
3279 [22:38:02] <wsky> i'm guessing it has to be an incompatibility caused by an update
3280 [22:38:49] <Loeb> Skype is a friggin' mess on linux. If you must use it, run it in a VM. That's my opinion on it, anyway.
3281 [22:39:02] <Loeb> Actually, skype is a mess in general. Abandon ship if possible.
3282 [22:39:10] <wsky> well a vm just for a silly voip app is an overkill in my case
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3284 [22:39:48] <Loeb> Skype is something I use VMs for since even when it does work, it doesn't play as well with my input devices as win does
3285 [22:40:36] <wsky> well it used to work well and this is debian stable so wtf
3286 [22:40:38] <mutante> skype is also horrible for network admins and firewalls, it tries all kinds of tricks to get a connection
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3288 [22:40:43] <wsky> not much changes in it
3289 [22:40:47] <mutante> like proxying via other clients and whatnot
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3291 [22:41:08] <Loeb> It does all of that and it still can't keep a decent connection
3292 [22:41:13] <Loeb> I'd rather use google hangouts
3293 [22:41:26] <Loeb> Which is awful in it's own way, but functional and away from the msphere
3294 [22:41:38] <wsky> i'm having the same issue all people have with all of the obscure ims ever existed
3295 [22:42:02] <wsky> some people got used ot it and using that im is the best way to contact them
3296 [22:42:25] <Loeb> I strongarm my skype friends into switching to telegram
3297 [22:42:37] <Loeb> Other modern IM clients are available
3298 [22:42:49] <Loeb> Telegram actually works very well between all devices in my experience.
3299 [22:43:14] <Loeb> Is there a way to get debian to ignore the emergency mode if it can't find all of the disks it wants to mount?
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3301 [22:44:42] <tako> i want to install replaced-url
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3303 [22:45:10] <tako> can i do this locally without editing sources.list
3304 [22:45:29] <tako> because i will just install single package from testing
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3358 [23:16:53] <unborn> tako nope
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3361 [23:17:20] <unborn> i mean that is not possible
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3403 [23:38:32] <neilthereildeil> hey guys
3404 [23:38:41] <neilthereildeil> i built a custom kernel and installed headers
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3406 [23:38:59] <neilthereildeil> but i cannot include asm/types.h
3407 [23:39:02] <neilthereildeil> and clues?
3408 [23:39:04] <neilthereildeil> any*
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3412 [23:39:54] <wsky> will rfkilling a bluetooth adapter power it off?
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3424 [23:43:12] <neilthereildeil> i built the kernel header package using "make-kpkg -j9 --initrd kernel_headers"
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3426 [23:44:42] <neilthereildeil> and i se ea lotta files in the dir, just not types.h
3427 [23:45:09] <neilthereildeil> unless types.h is special, why shouldnt it be installed with all the other headers in that dir?
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3439 [23:51:57] <kronoks> when will ubuntu EFI installer be fixed to properly install GRUB2 to the /boot partition, without manual intervention via recovery disk?
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3441 [23:53:12] <teraflops> kronoks: youre not in #ubuntu …
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3444 [23:54:26] <kronoks> true, but the same exact issue applies to its parent, debian.
3445 [23:54:55] <kronoks> second question: when will icedove be available as the proper thunderbird in the official repositories?
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