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• 5[00:00:54] <miesco> unborn: This way, you put the firmware files asked for in usb drive root
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• 7[00:01:36] <unborn> miesco: ah, they need to be extracted man I see now
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• 9[00:02:15] <babilen> I performed installation in the past in which I simply supplied the .debs (i.e. the extracted firmware.tar.gz) on a USB stick.
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• 12[00:02:48] <babilen> I have no idea why that didn't work in this case, but what is *really* needed is a populated /lib/firmware -- Whatever way you achieve that.
• 13[00:02:54] <babilen> (hence the firmwre installer)
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• 18[00:04:28] * zykotick9 thinks what is *really* need is for hardware manufacturers to STOP thinking drivers are a competitive advantage over one another... and just free the firmware/drivers for their products </OT>
• 19[00:04:52] <zinx> zykotick9: yeah, it would be nice if they started selling hardware again
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• 21[00:05:00] <zinx> zykotick9: instead of drivers :/
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• 23[00:05:20] <somiaj> zykotick9: there are other issues besides that with wifi firmware. I belive at least in the us there is regulation on the wifi bands used and what users can modify.
• 24[00:05:34] <modwizcode> They can always burn that portion into rom
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• 26[00:05:43] <somiaj> zykotick9: also the issue of what is the difference between firmware flashed onto a rom vs provided as a file.
• 27[00:05:44] <modwizcode> And provide a regulation complient interface
• 28[00:05:44] <zykotick9> somiaj: ya, the US wireless stuff is getting crazy recently :(
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• 31[00:06:02] <rlange> modwizcode: that would cost an extra nickel per unit; can
• 32[00:06:05] <rlange> 't do that
• 33[00:06:07] <somiaj> modwizcode: but then I would have to flash my hardware which is a pain when the manfucacture updates the firmware...so it is a give take
• 34[00:06:11] <modwizcode> :P
• 35[00:06:29] <somiaj> I actually prefer it as a file, but that is just me, I have briked hardware in the past with failed firmware upgrades
• 36[00:06:29] <modwizcode> You still do that for bios/uefi :P
• 37[00:06:52] <modwizcode> As long as they store a safe version that can be restored that would solve briked hardware usually.
• 38[00:07:06] <modwizcode> Sadly that's also not economical in their book
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• 44[00:08:36] <modwizcode> Besides users that care << users that care. Money lost << money gained. (<< = much less than)
• 45[00:08:54] <modwizcode> Ahh error, second users that care should be users that don't care.
• 46[00:09:04] <unborn> is there any way to search for file by typing in folder the name of the file instead of searching whole home folder?
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• 49[00:09:12] <unborn> its driving me mad
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• 51[00:09:32] <Tatiko> And how to use query in string?
• 52[00:09:34] <modwizcode> What file manager are you using?
• 53[00:09:35] <rlange> unborn: find my-folder-name -name name-of-file?
• 54[00:09:38] <Tatiko> in console
• 55[00:09:42] <miesco> alright thanks for the help
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• 57[00:10:05] <modwizcode> Seems that's often so much more annoying than tab complete.
• 58[00:10:05] <unborn> rlange: in terminal? is that not possibly in nautilus?
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• 60[00:10:24] <rlange> ah, yeah, i was assuming terminal
• 61[00:10:38] <modwizcode> File managers seems to be pretty evil. I can't even copy files from my external harddrive reliably when using one.
• 62[00:10:40] <somiaj> modwizcode: I am okay with non-free firmware because it is really only wifi and I do understand it. The thing that I think is intersting is the so called 'free' wifi just flashes their non-free firmware on the chip, so I don't see it as really that much more 'free'
• 63[00:10:42] <rlange> i'm sure it's possible, but I don't usually use a file manager
• 64[00:11:12] <modwizcode> somiaj, I'm not sure what you're referring to on the second half of your comment there.
• 65[00:11:16] <somiaj> modwizcode: but there is a whole project on libre firwmare/bios, be nice to see more of that around hardware.
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• 67[00:11:34] <rlange> unborn: Ctrl+F in Nautilus?
• 68[00:11:43] <modwizcode> A lot of those projects aren't compatible with anything relevant (or remotely modern)
• 69[00:11:58] <unborn> rlange: yeah that is actually what I am trying to avoid..
• 70[00:12:12] <somiaj> modwizcode: Many atheros wifi cards don't require additional non-free firmware and are thus considered 'free' by some fsf guides. But they do have non-free firmware, it is just on the chip and not provided as an additional file (though there is a difference between firmware on a chip and in userland, there is still non-free firmware)
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• 72[00:12:35] <modwizcode> My external harddrive goes to sleep from lack of read/write while nautilus attempts to do... something, and then it just gets stuck forever somehow. So I have to use the terminal to do any copies from that drive.
• 73[00:12:36] <zykotick9> somiaj: i'm running libreboot with atheros :)
• 74[00:12:50] <unborn> rlange: when I type backup it displays me all backups located in home folder.. when I am in documents.. which is wrong
• 75[00:13:00] <unborn> its doing it automatically
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• 78[00:13:22] <somiaj> zykotick9: I just try to used wired connenction any time I can. That is my solution to wifi. (:
• 79[00:13:42] <rlange> huh. what version? for me, if I'm in a sub-folder it only searches the subfolder, not all of home
• 80[00:13:42] <zykotick9> somiaj: i hear that
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• 82[00:14:21] <modwizcode> Well I'm pretty much a laptop only person, currently I'm using my one desktop and it's got barely enough resources for me to do the dev work I need.
• 83[00:14:22] <unborn> rlange: I should be able to simple type backup and it should show me folders named backup only in /Documents
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• 88[00:15:32] <modwizcode> Considering I broke my entire install (it froze upon a few seconds after login) by attempting to install virtualbox yesterday. I'm not sure what to think about anything.
• 89[00:15:50] <modwizcode> Attempting to install it from a package no less
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• 111[00:24:40] <unborn> rlange: its not possible currently in debian with gnome.. I may consider different DE cos this is very much annoying.
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• 132[00:32:57] <rlange> On my Debian 8 system, in Nautilus (3.14) I can go into the Documents folder, search using Ctrl+F, enter a name, and the results are only files with that name under the Documents folder. Is that not what you are looking for, or does that not work for you?
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• 135[00:34:27] <rlange> (and make sure you didn't accidentally click the "All Files" box in the search bar)
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• 150[00:43:08] <unborn> rlange: replaced-url
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• 153[00:43:48] <miesco> If I am reinstalling debian, do I need to reinstall the boot loader?
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• 155[00:44:11] <unborn> rlange: there is only one folder in my home called backup.. but when I type backup I got all other files and folder which I am not exactly looking for from other places.. ctrl+f is exactly same result
• 156[00:44:27] <somiaj> miesco: yes
• 157[00:44:40] <unborn> in debian 7 it was that it was only displaying you folder or file what was in current folder you been in
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• 161[00:45:57] <unborn> this new way to search for files also make it slow search , I am running on ssd and its slow, I wont imagine what it would be on normal hdd.. is there any way to get normal search back or I will install something more useful?
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• 163[00:46:43] <miesco> somiaj: How do I tell if my computer used bios or eufi?
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• 167[00:48:06] <somiaj> miesco: if you used efi, you most likely have /boot/efi mounted
• 168[00:48:16] <somiaj> miesco: also grub-efi vs grub-pc will be installed
• 169[00:48:26] <somiaj> miesco: but really the only way for sure is to know how your computer is configured to boot
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• 176[00:52:32] <miesco> somiaj: I deleted my main partition but not my bios partition
• 177[00:52:48] <somiaj> miesco: bios partition?
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• 179[00:53:05] <miesco> somiaj: I remember learning all there was to know about the boot loader to configure it (with I think efi).
• 180[00:53:17] <miesco> somiaj: Yea thats what `fdisk -l` says
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• 182[00:53:48] <somiaj> miesco: if using GTP partition tables (needed for efi) don't use fdisk, use parted or gparted
• 183[00:53:51] <miesco> somiaj: Oh wait that was my laptop I did that
• 184[00:54:11] <miesco> somiaj: It is probably just bios then...
• 185[00:54:38] <somiaj> yea you need an efi partition for efi boot, if you didn't create one you most likely arne't using efi
• 186[00:54:48] <miesco> somiaj: I have a partition that is 977kb and is type "BIOS boot"
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• 189[00:55:26] <babilen> Did you use the automatic partitioning?
• 190[00:55:35] * babilen always lets that create the EFI bits
• 191[00:55:36] <miesco> somiaj: Does the boot loader go on this partition or my / partition?
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• 193[00:56:02] <miesco> babilen: No, I just used my old partitions
• 194[00:56:09] <somiaj> miesco: you can do either, but usually put the bootloader on the mbr of the disk (not the mbr of the rootfs partition)
• 195[00:56:20] <teraflops> the installer does not let you use gummiboot ^
• 196[00:56:53] <miesco> somiaj: So put the bootloader on /dev/sda1 type 'BIOS boot' that is 977kb?
• 197[00:57:06] <somiaj> no /dev/sda (that is the disk) /dev/sda1 would be the partition
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• 200[00:57:21] <somiaj> that is where I tradtionally put it when using legacy boot (note I've switched over to efi boot, I like it better)
• 201[00:57:25] <miesco> somiaj: What is this BIOS boot partition?
• 202[00:57:59] <somiaj> miesco: GTP partition tables are not like MBR parititon tables. If using them with wanting to do legacy boot, you need a special BIOS partition for that, and I'm unsure on the details to get it to work.
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• 206[00:58:49] <miesco> somiaj: Well my / partition is EFI it says
• 207[00:59:20] <miesco> somiaj: 1.8TB EFI system
• 208[00:59:35] <somiaj> your / partition cannot be EFI
• 209[00:59:38] <miesco> somiaj: That doesn't seem right... shouldn't that be linux?
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• 211[00:59:55] <miesco> somiaj: Apparently it is
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• 213[00:59:59] <somiaj> you can use either GPT or MBR partition tables. So your partition is one of those
• 214[01:00:12] <somiaj> efi partitions are fat16 partitions for booting, you don't want your root fs on an efi partition
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• 216[01:00:27] <somiaj> miesco: what is telling you this? fdisk? If using GPT using parted or gparted
• 217[01:00:35] <somiaj> anyways I got to jet, best of luck
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• 219[01:00:49] <miesco> somiaj: Maybe I accidently made an EFI partition instead of ext4 while installing (I am in install process now, bootloader step)
• 220[01:01:10] <somiaj> yea the EFI partition needs to only be a few hundreed megs.
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• 222[01:01:39] <miesco> somiaj: Okay thanks for the help
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• 229[01:06:57] <unborn> is there any way to install older version of nautilus?
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• 234[01:07:12] <unborn> I mean force the older version
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• 241[01:09:54] <unborn> or how to enable enable-interactive-search instead of recursive-search in nautilus? anyone?
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• 264[01:17:53] <usuariovirtual> hi I want to copy using dd a rescue antivirus image to a usb drive I'm using dd if=file of=/dev/sdb1 is this all I need? do I need bs=anything?
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• 270[01:22:03] <rjsalts> usuariovirtual: it's all you need, it might be faster if you specify bs, but that's all
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• 276[01:23:41] <Akto> helo!
• 277[01:24:20] <Akto> I need create backup of / but I have a bugs
• 278[01:24:34] <rjsalts> usuariovirtual: replaced-url
• 279[01:24:36] <Akto> sudo tar -cvzpf -C /mnt/root /mnt/backup/sda1.tar.gz
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• 281[01:25:02] <rjsalts> Akto: f is the filename
• 282[01:25:15] <Akto> And?
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• 285[01:25:48] <rjsalts> Akto: so it needs to be f /mnt/backup/sda1.tar.gz not -C
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• 290[01:26:37] <Akto> But here replaced-url
• 291[01:27:10] <Akto> See my bug
• 292[01:27:13] <Akto> tar: /media/ubuntu/dc75abd1-796b-49ec-9062-53618c4c0fdc/tmp/.ICE-unix/1276: socket ignored tar: /media/ubuntu/5C3E23F63E23C7BA/1.tar.gz: Cannot stat: No such file or directory tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
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• 295[01:27:45] <Akto> And I not see file
• 296[01:28:24] <babilen> The filename has to follow "-f"
• 297[01:28:45] <rjsalts> Akto: that wiki article is wrong
• 298[01:28:52] <Akto> sudo tar -cvzpf -f /mnt/root /mnt/backup/ubuntu-sda1.tar.gz
• 299[01:29:01] <Akto> yes
• 300[01:29:02] <babilen> No, "-f /mnt/backup/ubuntu-sda1.tar.gz"
• 301[01:29:03] <Akto> ?
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• 303[01:29:37] <babilen> And drop the "f" in the earlier options (and there might be other problems)
• 304[01:29:54] <rjsalts> Akto: you can use -C ... but you can't use it directly after the f. Do -f /path/to/backup/root.tar.gz -C /path/of/working/directory ...
• 305[01:29:54] <Akto> sudo tar -cvzp -C /mnt/root -f /mnt/backup/ubuntu-sda1.tar.gz
• 306[01:30:18] <rjsalts> Akto: that's should work
• 307[01:30:46] <Akto> or -cvzpC ?
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• 311[01:31:50] <rjsalts> Akto: shouldn't matter as p doesn't have a trailing argument as f and C do
• 312[01:32:08] <Akto> ok
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• 314[01:32:33] <rjsalts> Akto: man tar is your friend when you're looking up the myriad options for gnu tar
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• 317[01:34:35] <rjsalts> Akto: --one-file-system might also be handy
• 318[01:35:03] <Akto> Its what?
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• 320[01:35:53] <Akto> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo tar -cvzp -C '/media/ubuntu/dc75abd1-796b-49ec-9062-53618c4c0fdc' -f '/media/ubuntu/5C3E23F63E23C7BA/ubuntu-sda1.tar.gz' tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive Try 'tar --help' or 'tar --usage' for more information.
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• 322[01:36:07] <rjsalts> Akto: so you're making a backup of / or what have you, then it will try to descend into /proc /sys ...
• 323[01:36:25] <babilen> Akto: btw, it looks as if you are using Ubuntu. Are you?
• 324[01:36:33] <Akto> yes
• 325[01:36:46] <rjsalts> Ubuntu != debian
• 326[01:36:52] <babilen> This is #debian and not #ubuntu and we don't support Ubuntu unfortunately
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• 328[01:36:54] <Akto> for tar =
• 329[01:37:24] <babilen> You might want to take this to ##linux or #ubuntu or one of the many other channels on this network
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• 331[01:37:37] <babilen> Sorry, but this channel only supports Debian and Debian users
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• 333[01:37:58] <Akto> I have debian also
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• 335[01:38:03] <Akto> Kde edition
• 336[01:38:13] <babilen> Sure, but this concerns Ubuntu
• 337[01:38:37] <Akto> It work in Debian?
• 338[01:38:54] <babilen> But then, I believe that we sorted out your problem anyway. It's just that this channel is exclusively for Debian and problems that arise on Debian.
• 339[01:39:23] <babilen> (while your problem concerns Ubuntu)
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• 343[01:40:07] <Akto> I afraid tar want -cfvzp
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• 348[01:43:21] <Akto> Can I use?: sudo tar -cfvzp '/media/ubuntu/5C3E23F63E23C7BA/ubuntu-sda1.tar.gz' -C '/media/ubuntu/dc75abd1-796b-49ec-9062-53618c4c0fdc'
• 349[01:44:10] <Akto> Friends?
• 350[01:44:31] <babilen> → ##linux
• 351[01:44:37] <Akto> Please
• 352[01:44:46] <Akto> there need reg
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• 355[01:45:56] <Akto> tar: Removing leading `/' from member names tar: /media/ubuntu/5C3E23F63E23C7BA/ubuntu-sda1.tar.gz: Cannot stat: No such file or directory tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
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• 369[01:52:15] <unborn> would nautilus from debian 7 work in debian 8 as replacement of that new one?
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• 375[01:54:27] <bIka> wii
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• 384[01:57:03] <jmcnaught> unborn: the gnome-core metapackage in jessie requires nautilus >= 3.14, so the metapackage(s) would be removed. it might not work at all
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• 386[01:57:33] <jmcnaught> unborn: what's wrong with the newer nautilus? there are also other file managers in jessie that you could try
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• 388[01:58:08] <unborn> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 389[01:58:19] <unborn> search is just totally mess
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• 392[01:59:52] <jmcnaught> unborn: do you mean it shows results without their location? what if you switch to list view?
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• 395[02:00:09] <unborn> been trying to deal with this tree search function but there is no go.. as developer I have tons of files.. if I have backup in folder A and in folder B it displays them all without location.. which is night mare
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• 397[02:00:32] <unborn> *been trying 3 weeks..
• 398[02:01:13] <unborn> jmcnaught: interactive-search is what was in older nautilus and that was working perfect
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• 400[02:02:27] <sm00th> when I try to search i get invalid protocol
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• 402[02:02:34] <unborn> ctrl+f was for tree search.. jmcnaught i7, 12gigs ram, ssd - very fast system but searching for one file within folder be it css or php - I can go and make coffee.. thats terrible..
• 403[02:03:39] <babilen> unborn: It's almost instantaneous here
• 404[02:03:43] <sm00th> anyone know why it says invalid protocol when i try to search in nautlius?
• 405[02:03:48] <babilen> (similar system specs)
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• 408[02:04:58] <unborn> I can imagine pain on normal hdd.. thats why I would like to install older version of nautilus or I shall accept that it becomes just unproductive and install some nemo or thunar.. I mean why it was changed.. it was working perfect is there any way to re-do interactive-search?
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• 410[02:05:48] <unborn> babilen: you could see it on that video.. as soon I type backup - many files and folders came up.. I am getting each time I search actually lost
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• 413[02:07:18] <jmcnaught> unborn: search is pretty quick for me too, everything is indexed by tracker. Also it shows locations in list view (ctrl+1)
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• 418[02:08:00] <sm00th> wait I think its dolphin not nautilus, whatever the KDE one is
• 419[02:08:04] <sm00th> invalid protocol when using find
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• 421[02:08:38] <jmcnaught> unborn: if you didn
• 422[02:08:41] <jmcnaught> oops
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• 424[02:09:04] <jmcnaught> sm00th: if you didn't install KDE using a task or metapackage, maybe there's a missing recommend
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• 430[02:10:40] <sm00th> jmcnaught, i installed the kde iso
• 431[02:10:44] <sm00th> didn't remove nothing
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• 433[02:11:08] <sm00th> only things I did was install nvidia driver from jessie backports, and apparmor from stretch
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• 437[02:12:11] <unborn> jmcnaught: okay ctrl+1?
• 438[02:12:26] <unborn> replaced-url
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• 440[02:12:50] <unborn> also note the cpu load in top right corner - the blue graph
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• 458[02:22:17] <sm00th> so if I search from the root folder it works
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• 460[02:22:26] <sm00th> but if selecting the shortcut home folder under places I get missing protocol
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• 475[02:25:39] <unborn> turns out that caja does better job then crappy latest nautilus. I dont really get this.. debian perfect operating system and experience ruined by basic most need it tool like file manager..
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• 480[02:28:16] <babilen> caja is packaged in Debian
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• 483[02:28:51] <sm00th> babilen, apparenlty he's installed it
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• 487[02:29:35] <sm00th> the other thing I don't like about dolphin how it default to single click to launch files and open folders, thats pretty dangerous.
• 488[02:29:47] <unborn> sm00th: I was trying to get around that nautilus for about 2 - 3 hours..
• 489[02:29:58] <sm00th> unborn, man..
• 490[02:30:13] <unborn> simply put it, install better file manager which actually works..
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• 515[02:41:50] <unborn> just found this and even that is bit older its explains it very well replaced-url
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• 517[02:42:57] <sm00th> unborn, if you think gome is bad, don't even bother with kde...lol
• 518[02:43:30] <sm00th> it has become alot worse in kde. at least the older version in debian jessie is not as bad yet.
• 519[02:43:36] <unborn> man and I just thought finally got liked gnome 3 heh last time I switched form debian 6 as I did not like debian7 due to gnome3 which was that time pretty bad when it came out first time.. enough of moaning.. I see xcfe or mate.. possibly openbox
• 520[02:44:05] <sm00th> xfce has been really great past few years.
• 521[02:44:32] <unborn> sm00th: file manager is primary for me, if that suxs then other things would do too ;)
• 522[02:45:00] <sm00th> hmm not sure if it suit your needs. but i never had an error like i have in the kde dolphin manager lol
• 523[02:45:01] <luxitanium> replaced-url
• 524[02:45:07] <markybob> thunar even has more features. like bulk rename.
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• 526[02:45:58] <sm00th> unborn, well that article is probably right about why mint is so popular. cinnamon is just great.
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• 528[02:46:06] <sm00th> I just don't trust it.
• 529[02:46:43] <sm00th> nemo in mint is amazing
• 530[02:46:46] <unborn> oh clems mint? I rather not comment that..been there already.
• 531[02:46:49] <sm00th> the compositor is great.
• 532[02:46:56] <sm00th> unborn, you didn't like nemo?
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• 536[02:47:28] <sm00th> i remember an earlier nemo raping my pc if I left it open and idle.
• 537[02:47:33] <sm00th> haha
• 538[02:48:00] <sm00th> don't think it does that anymore but i always found that suspect, plus alot of other thigns I won't go into. but as far as usuability and compatilibty it just shines.
• 539[02:48:03] <unborn> last time I used mint it was mint 9, then I saw what clem done with lmde and that was signal for me to leave that os.
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• 541[02:48:21] <sm00th> i never tried lmde
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• 579[03:06:25] <sm00th> how can I install 340 video driver in debian jessie?
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• 582[03:07:43] <markybob> nvidia? hell jessie-backports has 352.79-8~bpo8+1. proper jessie has 340.96-1
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• 586[03:09:48] <sm00th> markybob, what is proper jessie i'm on 8.5
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• 588[03:10:56] <sm00th> markybob, ok so I just have to do apt-get install nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver right?
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• 593[03:11:57] <markybob> sm00th: follow this. it tells you about what's included in jessie and about backports if you need it. replaced-url
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• 595[03:12:18] <sm00th> markybob, ya i installed the one for jessie-backports but want to go with the 340
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• 600[03:12:58] <markybob> so remove the package, remove backports, install what's in jessie. not saying that'll work because downgrading sucks...
• 601[03:13:18] <sm00th> ya i know hopefully i don't bork my the whole install haha
• 602[03:13:40] <sm00th> i removed the nvidia-driver package. then all the nvidia stuff in modprobe.d
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• 604[03:13:49] <sm00th> now i'm doing dpkg -l | grep nvidia and gonna remove all that stuff too
• 605[03:13:57] <sm00th> then reboot in noueveau hopefully
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• 613[03:17:56] <sm00th> ok i'm on nouveau now here goes nothing
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• 615[03:18:52] <sm00th> still alot of nvidia stuff installed though think I should clean it all out
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• 632[03:25:45] <sm00th> markybob, hmm apt-get install nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver isn't working
• 633[03:25:59] <sm00th> says unmet dependencies but doesn't make sense.
• 634[03:27:25] <markybob> sm00th: legacy is 304 not 340
• 635[03:27:43] <sm00th> i found that in apt-cache search nvidia
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• 638[03:28:03] <sm00th> mabey i have to install the headers first?
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• 640[03:28:16] <sm00th> aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-legacy-340xx-kernel-dkms ?
• 641[03:28:17] <markybob> wiki says aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
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• 644[03:29:16] <markybob> again, legacy is 304, not 340. in proper jessie (which is what we were talking about. it is in backports which you said you didn't want)
• 645[03:30:06] <sm00th> markybob, i did an apt-cache. but i'm following what you said
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• 647[03:30:22] <sm00th> aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
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• 651[03:31:29] <sm00th> markybob, lol this is a weird date /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf 1969-12-31 19:00:00.000000000 -0500
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• 654[03:32:23] <modwizcode> I'd be worried if it was earlier...
• 655[03:32:29] <sm00th> oh jesus its telling me I have to manually enable it in xorg.conf
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• 657[03:33:07] <sm00th> ok following instructions here replaced-url
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• 661[03:33:53] <sm00th> Package xorg-server was not found in the pkg-config search path
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• 667[03:38:30] <sm00th> ok tk goodness it worked
• 668[03:38:35] <sm00th> markybob, tks alot
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• 670[03:39:04] <sm00th> BenderRodriguez, we are family?
• 671[03:40:16] <BenderRodriguez> sm00th: what now
• 672[03:40:18] <BenderRodriguez> who
• 673[03:40:20] <BenderRodriguez> why
• 674[03:40:24] <BenderRodriguez> who u?
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• 677[03:41:30] <sm00th> BenderRodriguez, I got same last name
• 678[03:41:39] <sm00th> lol
• 679[03:41:45] <BenderRodriguez> I am a mexican built robot
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• 681[03:41:52] <sm00th> oh
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• 683[03:42:06] <BenderRodriguez> yeah...
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• 687[03:43:37] <sm00th> BenderRodriguez, my apologies
• 688[03:44:00] <BenderRodriguez> =]
• 689[03:44:02] <sm00th> markybob, so this 340 driver is the default in jessie? didn't realize that. the newer driver give me problems
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• 692[03:44:13] <sm00th> stuttering in cs:go for example. 340 driver is much more smoother for my system.
• 693[03:44:20] <sm00th> BenderRodriguez, hey come on man :(
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• 695[03:44:35] <sm00th> markybob, i got 650 ti
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• 697[03:46:27] <sm00th> markybob, oh hell ya much better
• 698[03:46:38] <sm00th> man jessie keep all the best stuff, least buggiest kde, least buggiest drivers
• 699[03:46:49] <sm00th> its like the newer stuff dont' get tested as good no more
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• 703[03:48:04] <sm00th> or maybe my pc is just too old now
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• 720[03:54:27] <sm00th> markybob, ah dam there is a tradeoff though
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• 723[03:54:40] <sm00th> lol
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• 741[04:10:25] <sm00th> markybob, i don't think only updated driver fix that issue I think updated kde does too. but then the problem is I can't use opengl without getting random flickering lol
• 742[04:10:35] <sm00th> there is always some tradeoff
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• 746[04:12:01] <mimtf> i know why . and source is required. lol
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• 754[04:19:20] <dvs> /brexit
• 755[04:20:21] <civillian> :)
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• 758[04:21:58] <Freedom2000> so this guy i met says that i make him feel like shit. what does it mean? i'm new to relationships. i sent him a message and he replies like that.
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• 760[04:22:46] <rgwu> I have some troll food left over from yesterday. Anyone want to feed it?
• 761[04:23:02] <Freedom2000> i'm not a troll. i don't know who else to ask
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• 763[04:23:32] <Freedom2000> have you said that to a woman before?
• 764[04:23:37] <mimtf> echo $? <— what is $?
• 765[04:23:51] <rgwu> return code of previously run process
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• 767[04:24:05] <Freedom2000> no one replies on debian-offtopic. and they're really cool over there
• 768[04:24:40] <mimtf> rgwu: what you mean?
• 769[04:24:59] <rgwu> Every process generates an exit code when it dies.
• 770[04:25:04] <rgwu> echo $? shows it
• 771[04:25:16] <rgwu> 0 means proper exit, generally
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• 775[04:25:39] <mimtf> test 10 -gt 55 ; echo $?
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• 777[04:25:44] <mimtf> rgwu:
• 778[04:26:17] <Freedom2000> What other channel is good for chit-chat?
• 779[04:26:57] <rgwu> mimtf: that returns 1, because 0 would mean true, confusingly.
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• 781[04:27:18] <mimtf> 0 is true
• 782[04:27:19] <mimtf> oh
• 783[04:27:32] <mimtf> thanks rgwu
• 784[04:27:35] <rgwu> Np
• 785[04:27:39] <mimtf> :)
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• 788[04:28:55] <mimtf> test 56 -gt 55 && echo true || echo false <—— rgwu why this show me ‘true’? i don’t know
• 789[04:30:03] <themill> because it is?
• 790[04:30:04] <rgwu> echo will always return 0, unless it crashes. I've never seen echo crash.
• 791[04:30:39] <mimtf> rgwu: what you mean?
• 792[04:30:59] <zykotick9> mimtf: the "echo false" or "echo foo" works fine
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• 794[04:31:16] <rgwu> echo false simply prints 'false'. The exit code is still 0.
• 795[04:32:34] <mimtf> test 56 -gt 55 && echo true || echo false —> true && echo true || echo true —> echo true
• 796[04:33:10] <rgwu> Yes.
• 797[04:33:22] <mimtf> rgwu: thanks :)
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• 799[04:36:51] <sm00th> Freedom2000, do you put him down alot?
• 800[04:37:12] <sm00th> mimtf, you said you know why talking to me?
• 801[04:37:25] <sm00th> mimtf, csgo_linux64[3107]: segfault at 30 ip 00007fef78504882 sp 00007feef40a8d00 error 4 in libGL.so.340.96[7fef784ab000+c7000]
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• 804[04:38:21] <mimtf> lol
• 805[04:38:27] <sm00th> i either have to update kde, or update video driver.
• 806[04:38:32] <mimtf> sm00th: you hack me? :x
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• 808[04:38:52] <sm00th> but I can live without alt tab, cause otherwise i get crap perforamnce. or desktop flickers lol
• 809[04:39:04] <sm00th> mimtf, i get hacked I don't hack other people.
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• 812[04:40:20] <mimtf> csgo_linux64[3107]: segfault at 30 ip 00007fef78504882 sp 00007feef40a8d00 error 4 in libGL.so.340.96[7fef784ab000+c7000] <— what is it? sm00th ?
• 813[04:40:39] <sm00th> a video game on steam
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• 815[04:40:58] <sm00th> that means it crashed on me
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• 821[04:44:25] <mimtf> ok sm00th
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• 835[04:53:20] <mimtf> [ 66 -gt 55 -a 66 -lt 500 ] && echo true || echo false <— what is ‘-a’?
• 836[04:54:14] <mimtf> rgwu: ?
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• 839[04:55:00] <themill> "help [" (or more likely, "help test")
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• 842[04:56:53] <mimtf> ok
• 843[04:57:08] <rgwu> mimtf: replaced-url
• 844[04:57:35] <mimtf> expr1 -a expr2
• 845[04:57:36] <mimtf> True if both expr1 and expr2 are true.
• 846[04:57:41] <mimtf> thanks rgwu :)
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• 859[05:06:18] <Nikti> Hello!
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• 862[05:08:36] <Nikti_> hi
• 863[05:09:05] <Nikti_> sudo tar -cvpzf backup.tar.gz --exclude=home '/media/ubuntu/dc75abd1-796b-49ec-9062-53618c4c0fdc'
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• 866[05:09:37] <Nikti_> Created media folder in archive and fstab no rok if recover
• 867[05:09:56] <Nikti_> no work
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• 871[05:12:31] <Nikti_> Hey?
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• 882[05:20:22] <shanemikel1> debian 8 + gnome is looking very good guys
• 883[05:20:47] <shanemikel1> I also like that it's shipping with a gnome-friendly irc client
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• 885[05:20:59] <rgwu> irssi?
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• 888[05:21:33] <tomatto> hi
• 889[05:21:35] <shanemikel1> I didn't know about polari. nice, clean, and stupid simple.. but it's a little stupid that you can't resize the chanell sidebar
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• 891[05:22:17] <tomatto> please i have problem with systemctl and starting services, when i run systemctl i get Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1
• 892[05:22:29] <tomatto> dbus is up and running
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• 904[05:29:42] <shanemikel1> you running as root?
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• 907[05:31:08] <tomatto> yes i am running as root
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• 911[05:34:18] <mimtf> England leave EU?
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• 916[05:39:17] <tomatto> dbus running only like this /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system
• 917[05:39:34] <tomatto> no other parameters like on other server
• 918[05:40:24] <sm00th> mimtf, ya
• 919[05:40:28] <sm00th> they crazy
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• 922[05:40:56] <mimtf> sm00th: you live in Europe?
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• 924[05:41:11] <sm00th> mimtf, no
• 925[05:41:19] <mimtf> then?
• 926[05:41:25] <sm00th> then what?
• 927[05:41:43] <mimtf> where are you live?
• 928[05:41:46] <sm00th> usa
• 929[05:41:52] <mimtf> where you live?
• 930[05:41:54] <mimtf> oh
• 931[05:42:22] <sm00th> you?
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• 934[05:43:48] <tomatto> systemd
• 935[05:43:48] <tomatto> Trying to run as user instance, but the system has not been booted with systemd.
• 936[05:44:04] <mimtf> sm00th: Russia
• 937[05:44:12] <tomatto> why is not system not run with systemd?
• 938[05:44:13] <sm00th> oh
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• 943[05:47:53] <somiaj> tomatto: care to clarify what you mean? What version of debian are yo using? Note that debian jessie supports both sysvinit and systemd
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• 945[05:48:55] <fishcooker> i want to know comparison in byte size pureftpd between vsftp and all dependencies packages before installation... is it possible to know the both total size required with apt/dpkg without install first?
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• 947[05:49:22] <tomatto> somiaj: i am using debian jessie, last update. before server was shutdown upexpectedly it works with systemd ok
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• 949[05:51:01] <somiaj> tomatto: so after you brought it back up systemd is falling back to the old init system and not actually running? systemctl status returns what?
• 950[05:51:32] <somiaj> fishcooker: you can do a --dry-run with apt-get install and it should list the amount it ahs to download and the amount of space it will take when isntalled
• 951[05:51:39] <tomatto> Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1
• 952[05:52:12] <somiaj> tomatto: ps fax, can you tell me the process that is pid #1?
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• 954[05:53:00] <tomatto> /sbin/init
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• 956[05:53:31] <somiaj> tomatto: ls -l /sbin/init (does this still point at systemd) -- my guess is systemd is running, just dbus is not
• 957[05:53:31] <fishcooker> unfortunately it wouldn't show the size, somiaj
• 958[05:53:53] <somiaj> fishcooker: are you sure? Can you give me all the output of apt-get --dry-run install vsftp
• 959[05:53:58] <somiaj> fishcooker: put it at paste.debian.net
• 960[05:54:38] <somiaj> fishcooker: nevermind, I just tested it here...hmm
• 961[05:55:01] <tomatto> somiaj: /sbin/init is not symlink to systemd, it is regular executable file itself
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• 963[05:55:54] <somiaj> fishcooker: hmm, because if I don't include the --dry-run it tells me somethig like this. "Need to get 2,574 kB of archives. After this operation, 4,798 kB of additional disk space will be used."
• 964[05:56:13] <somiaj> fishcooker: I was hoping it would give that info in a --dry-run
• 965[05:56:26] <somiaj> tomatto: that is strange, afiak it should be a link, /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
• 966[05:56:34] <somiaj> tomatto: dpkg -S /sbin/init (what does that return)
• 967[05:56:36] <tomatto> somiaj: dbus is running, but systemd not initialized all, what it should
• 968[05:56:58] <tomatto> somiaj: upstart: /sbin/init
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• 971[05:57:31] <fishcooker> ahhh got it i've listed the packages will be installed then i calculate manually with apt-cache show [packages]... nice switch for the dry run somiaj
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• 973[05:57:34] <fishcooker> thankyou
• 974[05:57:37] <tomatto> i don't understand why it run /sbin/init instead of systemd after "restart"
• 975[05:58:28] <somiaj> fishcooker: no problem, but apt-get does give you that calculation, I'm surprised it desont' give it to you in a --dry-run
• 976[05:58:49] <somiaj> tomatto: why do you ahve upstart isntalled on your system? That is what you are using for init?
• 977[05:59:05] <somiaj> fishcooker: but in the case it is more than one package, just apt-get install foo, and then hit 'n'
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• 979[06:00:13] <tomatto> somiaj: not at all
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• 981[06:00:58] <somiaj> tomatto: dpkg -S /sbin/init returned systemd, that binary you see /sbin/init that is being run is from the 'upstart' package, so some how you are using upstart (not systemd)
• 982[06:01:49] <tomatto> somiaj: now i remember, when i was trying to run node.js app as a service, i installed upstart, but never actualy use it
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• 986[06:02:35] <tomatto> somiaj: so that upstart take place over the systemd? :/
• 987[06:02:54] <tomatto> and that is what causing the problem after restart
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• 989[06:03:30] <tomatto> silly me :(
• 990[06:03:50] <somiaj> tomatto: upstart is another init system. Debian provides it but doesn't use it by default and ones mialage may varry because most matainers dont' write init scripts for upstart (upstart is ubuntu's init system)
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• 995[06:04:13] <somiaj> tomatto: but upstart will replace systemd if installed. So if you are on a debian system you some how installed upstart and removed parts of systemd. I'm unsure how this happened
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• 998[06:04:30] <somiaj> tomatto: what is the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'aptitude why upstart' (put at paste.debian.net)
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• 1001[06:06:36] <tomatto> somiaj: i installed manually upstart, when i was trying to get node.js app run as system service, i didn't know that it take place over systemd
• 1002[06:06:53] <tomatto> aptitude why upstart: i init PreDepends systemd-sysv | sysvinit-core | upstart
• 1003[06:06:57] <somiaj> tomatto: oh, well now you know why it is. Yes upstart is another init system.
• 1004[06:07:20] <somiaj> tomatto: not really supported in debian, but it is provided for those who want to use it and deal with all the issues of writing init scripts for their services with it
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• 1006[06:08:40] <tomatto> somiaj: i uninstalled upstart, and now systemd-sysv is not installed again...i didn't notice that while installing upstart, that it removed systemd-sysv
• 1007[06:09:31] <tomatto> somiaj: so now when i reboot, it will run systemd correctly now right?
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• 1012[06:11:05] <somiaj> tomatto: you can double check that /sbin/init is a link to systemd, but yes I belive so
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• 1017[06:11:37] <tomatto> dpkg -S /sbin/init
• 1018[06:11:37] <dpkg> Package: /sbin/init: Status: install ok installed
• 1019[06:11:38] <tomatto> systemd-sysv: /sbin/init
• 1020[06:11:55] <somiaj> tomatto: ls -l /sbin/init (but it should be right)
• 1021[06:11:57] <mimtf> what is ‘let i—;’?
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• 1024[06:12:22] <tomatto> somiaj: yes, it is symlink to systemd now.
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• 1027[06:12:42] <somiaj> tomatto: okay you shoudl be back on systemd after a reboot. Do you haev recovery media ready?
• 1028[06:12:56] <somiaj> tomatto: you shouldn't need it, but always best to be safe when doing something like changing the init system
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• 1032[06:13:58] <tomatto> somiaj: you scared me a little now...i will backup my db just to be sure before restart
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• 1034[06:14:53] <somiaj> tomatto: haha, you should be fine, but who knows what else you changed when isntalling upstart so I'm just being extra cautious because I would hate for you to get into a state it can't boot and you aren't prepared (I highly doubt this will be an issue)
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• 1043[06:17:39] <tomatto> somiaj: :), is there some recovery "procedure" or whatever i should do on livecd, when system doesn't boot up correctly, just want to know for being prepared in the future?
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• 1045[06:18:54] <somiaj> tomatto: doy ou know how to mount your root file system and then chroot into it?
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• 1047[06:19:17] <tomatto> somiaj: yes, i do
• 1048[06:19:40] <somiaj> tomatto: form the live system mount your rootfs, mount --bind /proc /rootfsloc/proc, do that for /sys and /dev
• 1049[06:19:52] <somiaj> tomatto: chroot into yoru system, now you are in yoru system, and you can try to fix whatever the issue was
• 1050[06:20:26] <droidsect> hey guys, I've hosted couple of websites on a box with Debian Jessie, I am using Let-encrypt for the ssl for these sites , yesterday I noticed that when I ran the ssl server test, I noticed a warning that said "OpenSSL Padding Oracle vulnerability (CVE-2016-2107) "
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• 1055[06:21:01] <somiaj> droidsect: have you completely updated to the current packages from debian.secruity.org
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• 1057[06:21:11] <tomatto> somiaj: ok, thank you for your help :)
• 1058[06:21:33] <somiaj> droidsect: replaced-url
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• 1060[06:22:00] <somiaj> droidsect: provided you are running the curret packages from security and the versions are newer than what is listed there, that exploit should be patched.
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• 1066[06:25:23] <Zliba> i've got xfce and my time settings / calender local is in spanish. what do?
• 1067[06:25:24] <droidsect> somiaj, the openssl version I'm using is this replaced-url
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• 1069[06:26:14] <droidsect> should I do an apt-get upgrade ?
• 1070[06:26:17] <nokT> what command showed hard disk usage and its partitions? I can't remember
• 1071[06:26:36] <somiaj> droidsect: you are outdated, run apt-get update, then give me the output (or just look at the output of) apt-cache policy again
• 1072[06:26:39] <Zliba> nokT, df?
• 1073[06:26:44] <somiaj> droidsect: you need to run apt-get update first
• 1074[06:26:48] <droidsect> ok
• 1075[06:27:09] <nokT> Zliba: it had a tree like output
• 1076[06:27:38] <somiaj> droidsect: actually wait, you should run an apt-get upgrade, but I'm trying to figure out what the difference between 1.0.1k-3+deb8u5 and 1.0.1t-1+deb8u2 is
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• 1079[06:28:24] <somiaj> droidsect: yea, you jsut need to upgrade your package is all. I just got confused by the newer package released with 8.5 recentally, that is the one you want (the 1.0.1t-1+deb8u2) which iwill be installed when you aptitude upgrade
• 1080[06:28:30] <somiaj> !unattended upgrades
• 1081[06:28:46] <somiaj> !unattened-upgrades
• 1082[06:28:48] <droidsect> this is the output for apt-get update replaced-url
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• 1084[06:29:03] <somiaj> !unattended-upgrades
• 1085[06:29:03] <dpkg> somebody said unattended-upgrades was a package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See replaced-url
• 1086[06:29:18] <somiaj> droidsect: that might be a package you want to install if you don't want to manually upgrade your system regurally
• 1087[06:29:43] <somiaj> droidsect: another option (what I do) is subscribe to the DSA mailing list, and you will get emails about security fixes and if you get one about a package you use, then maunally upgrade your system
• 1088[06:30:13] <droidsect> cool, I also came a across an article about the use of aptcron package
• 1089[06:30:20] <droidsect> to alert for any upgrades
• 1090[06:30:20] <somiaj> that is another possibility
• 1091[06:30:26] <nokT> Zliba: I mean, df won't recognize a drive without a partition table
• 1092[06:30:55] <Zliba> fdisk -l ?
• 1093[06:31:09] <somiaj> Zliba: replaced-url
• 1094[06:31:18] <nokT> yeah, but I remember there was an easier way with a better output :P
• 1095[06:31:24] <nokT> it's fine tho
• 1096[06:31:25] <Zliba> nokT, dunno
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• 1098[06:33:01] <somiaj> nokT: what are you looking for again? something like 'blkid'
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• 1101[06:33:45] <nokT> somiaj: yeah, not as verbose as "fdisk -l", but blkid won't show as well a drive without a valid part. table
• 1102[06:33:56] <mimtf> what is ‘let i—;’?
• 1103[06:34:10] <mimtf> instead of i—?
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• 1105[06:35:02] <somiaj> mimtf: in bash (again I suggest you ask question in #bash for better answers if using bash) they should do the same thing, one just has a line end
• 1106[06:35:18] <somiaj> mimtf: so i--; foo (you can then run the next command foo in the same line if you ahve a ;
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• 1108[06:35:37] <somiaj> mimtf: replaced-url
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• 1111[06:36:04] <somiaj> mimtf: replaced-url
• 1112[06:36:23] <mimtf> thanks somiaj :)
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• 1116[06:37:14] <somiaj> mimtf: getting use to the syntax so you can just look up the command you don't understand is a very useful skill
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• 1118[06:38:20] <nokT> there it is, lsblk was the command
• 1119[06:38:33] <somiaj> ahh, (:'
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• 1123[06:40:01] <mimtf> somiaj: replaced-url
• 1124[06:40:13] <shadow> whoa, lsblk is useful
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• 1127[06:40:58] <shadow> lsblk does get confused by my btrfs system though
• 1128[06:41:26] <somiaj> btrfs confuses lots of things
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• 1130[06:42:07] <nokT> dunno, lsblk seem more nice to my eyes than 'fdisk -l'
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• 1132[06:42:19] <somiaj> mimtf: are you trying to learn to program in #bash? Why are you not asking these question in bash. I also linke dyou a page that described what the let command did.
• 1133[06:42:46] <mimtf> ok thanks somiaj
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• 1136[06:44:03] <streulma> qemu just boot to black screen with Windows 7 guest (qemu-arm)
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• 1138[06:44:38] <shadow> arm? and Windows7?
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• 1152[06:52:05] <qiyong> anyone could do me a favor to download this for me? replaced-url
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• 1174[07:01:37] <brimonk> Hey all. I was wondering if anyone had any specific resources about setting up an ethernet passthrough on debian. I came on and asked about it earlier, but I couldn't really get it to work.
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• 1176[07:02:06] <brimonk> qiyong: I downloaded it.
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• 1178[07:02:17] <rangita> passthrough how? as in make two ports be logically connected? you can do that with bridging
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• 1180[07:02:44] <qiyong> brimonk: how can i get it from you
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• 1186[07:03:42] <brimonk> qiyong: You could just open it up in a browser.
• 1187[07:03:49] <brimonk> qiyong: and hit the download button.
• 1188[07:04:04] <qiyong> blocked here
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• 1190[07:04:17] <rangita> qiyong: was your goal just to have someone download it for you? are you behind a firewall or something? if so, you could say that...you sound like you're trying to infect people with malware
• 1191[07:04:40] <qiyong> rangita: it's pdf, yes i mean that
• 1192[07:04:44] <rangita> if you're blocked, use SSH to create a proxy (google it), or get a commercial proxy service
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• 1194[07:05:09] <qiyong> google is blocked
• 1195[07:05:18] <brimonk> qiyong: Where the hell are you?
• 1196[07:05:23] <rangita> i just mean search it by whatever engine you have
• 1197[07:05:44] <qiyong> korea
• 1198[07:06:04] <rangita> replaced-url
• 1199[07:06:22] <qiyong> i don't have ssh account
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• 1201[07:06:43] <rangita> as for the SSH target, you can get an Amazon EC2 instance for near-zero money -- just make it a "spot instance" of their lowest tier linux VM
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• 1204[07:07:04] <brimonk> qiyong: You can get an amazon ec2 micro instance for literally nothing.
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• 1206[07:07:49] <qiyong> it need my credit card?
• 1207[07:08:03] <brimonk> qiyong: And I'm sure that there are free vpn services you can use. I used to use replaced-url
• 1208[07:08:32] <rangita> amazon will, yes, but like brimonk just said, there's tons of free alternatives. if all you need is a proxy to get around a firewall, there's tons of options
• 1209[07:08:35] <brimonk> qiyong: I'm not sure. But, you could just go out and get a prepaid card with like, the minimum purchase on it, and use that to register.
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• 1211[07:09:08] <brimonk> qiyong: You aren't from NORTH korea, are you?
• 1212[07:10:28] <rangita> wait, aren't you in Changchun China?
• 1213[07:13:18] <rangita> in any case, there are many ways to bypass a basic firewall like China's -- they all center on getting a secure, encrypted connection to a VPN or SSH service and tunneling your traffic through that.
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• 1244[07:37:22] <qiyong> could any just download a network spec pdf for me? thanks
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• 1253[07:43:44] <qiyong> how anyone could provide me some ssh account?
• 1254[07:44:23] <mimtf> mimgoogle@debian qiyong
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• 1263[07:47:50] <rmzelnick> Hi
• 1264[07:48:02] <rmzelnick> Good evening to all
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• 1266[07:48:24] <rmzelnick> I'd like to know if there's a server admin guide for debian
• 1267[07:49:31] <rmzelnick> Should I use Debian Squeeze? That's the 6.0 version correct?
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• 1272[07:52:03] <mirazi_heket> hello, in what way debian lvm/encrypted partitions are mounted (if installed from cli installer)? is it only /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab? i created encrypted partition (without lvm; luks) and want to mount it in same manner (password on bootup)
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• 1275[07:56:44] <rmzelnick> mirazi_heket: afaik, I suppose you'd need an initramfs, dunno if apt installs it for you
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• 1277[07:57:45] <rmzelnick> are you just asking what options to use for mounting?
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• 1280[07:58:56] <mirazi_heket> rmzelnick: so far, i have no idea how to mount it in default way
• 1281[07:59:06] <mirazi_heket> which files i need to config
• 1282[07:59:11] <mirazi_heket> edit*
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• 1286[07:59:38] <rmzelnick> is there not a luks config file?
• 1287[07:59:39] <darxmurf> hi all
• 1288[07:59:48] <rmzelnick> look into /etc/default/
• 1289[08:00:08] <rmzelnick> hi darxmurf
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• 1295[08:04:41] <mirazi_heket> rmzelnick: nothing revelant in /etc/default
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• 1314[08:14:05] <Muvlon> ehm
• 1315[08:14:21] <Muvlon> what is the suggested course of action if dpkg hangs indefinitely?
• 1316[08:15:23] <somiaj> Muvlon: where is it hanging at?
• 1317[08:15:38] <somiaj> Muvlon: during the unpacking, configuration, postinstall script, etc?
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• 1319[08:15:49] <Muvlon> unpacking
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• 1321[08:16:20] <Muvlon> first happened while trying to install connman
• 1322[08:16:28] <somiaj> hmm, well you could paste the output of where it is hanging at paste.debian.net and maybe someone can chime in
• 1323[08:16:39] <somiaj> Muvlon: were you installing connman with dpkg? Where did you get this .deb?
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• 1325[08:16:51] <Muvlon> no, i was installing it using apt
• 1326[08:16:55] <somiaj> I don't have any suggestions at this time, it seems strange that it is hanging
• 1327[08:17:02] <Muvlon> but the part that hangs is definitely dpkg
• 1328[08:17:02] <somiaj> ,v connman
• 1329[08:17:03] <judd> Package: connman on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.48+dfsg-2; wheezy: 1.0-1.1+wheezy1+b1; jessie: 1.21-1.2; jessie-backports: 1.32-0.1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.32-0.1; sid: 1.32-0.1
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• 1332[08:17:22] <somiaj> Muvlon: it seems strange, is this in jessie using the jessie or jessie-backports packages?
• 1333[08:17:31] <Muvlon> it is stretch
• 1334[08:17:42] <Muvlon> i tried to join debian-next but it's not public
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• 1336[08:18:50] <somiaj> Muvlon: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net
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• 1338[08:19:07] <somiaj> (different network). Though I would have the same responses there. Have you checked the bug reports?
• 1339[08:19:11] <Muvlon> ah I see
• 1340[08:19:49] <Muvlon> no, hold on
• 1341[08:20:22] <Muvlon> i can't use the affected computer to browse bug report as it has no network now :<
• 1342[08:20:28] <Muvlon> am confined to my phone
• 1343[08:22:08] <somiaj> no bug reports look relevent from my quick search
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• 1379[08:36:06] <darxmurf> I did not follow the stuff but is there enough free space on your hdd to unpack ?
• 1380[08:36:35] <somiaj> ahh yea, I always forget to check for that
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• 1385[08:41:46] <Muvlon> there is
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• 1387[08:42:34] <Muvlon> 100GB+ available
• 1388[08:42:56] <Muvlon> but I did get my laptop back on the network by now :>
• 1389[08:44:01] <Muvlon> after rebooting, dpkg --configure -a did finish after a while (but connman seemed to not work)
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• 1391[08:44:05] <somiaj> Muvlon: usually a error pops up if not enough space. also check df -i (inodes can fill up even if there is enough space) though I think it is somethign else, I'm just not sure what.
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• 1393[08:44:20] <Muvlon> there's more than enough space, that's not the issue
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• 1396[08:44:59] <mirazi_heket> regarding my issue, setting it up in /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab is enough, though prompt mounting through /etc/cryptab looks different (no idea why)
• 1397[08:45:28] <Muvlon> but for the record: is there a safe way to clean up the state if dpkg hangs forever?
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• 1400[08:45:52] <Muvlon> the only thing resembling errors that I did get were
• 1401[08:45:55] <Muvlon> insserv: warning: script 'savecache' missing LSB tags and overrides
• 1402[08:45:55] <Muvlon> insserv: warning: script 'transit' missing LSB tags and overrides
• 1403[08:46:17] <Muvlon> but I get those all the time, probably expected behavior since Debian abandoned LSB compliance
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• 1406[08:47:10] <somiaj> Muvlon: nope
• 1407[08:47:27] <somiaj> Muvlon: it is you have scripts in /etc/init.d/ that do not meet LSB compliance and have proper LSB tags
• 1408[08:47:32] <Muvlon> ah
• 1409[08:47:36] <somiaj> Muvlon: systemd fully supports LSB scripts
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• 1411[08:47:59] <Muvlon> I was using OpenRC at some point in the past, this might be the cause of this
• 1412[08:48:34] <Muvlon> either way, I'll try installing connman again later when I have the time, to see if I can reproduce this
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• 1419[08:50:23] <Kenran> Good morning! How can I see if a package is installed with a specific option (in my case vim with termguicolors)?
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• 1424[08:55:00] <Kenran> Oh nevermind, it's an option I can actually set in vim, but my version is too low
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• 1435[08:59:45] <sumi> hello
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• 1446[09:04:16] <mirazi_heket> sumi: !hi
• 1447[09:05:00] <sumi> hi mirazi_heket
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• 1454[09:07:57] <dionysus69> is jessie ever gonna get newer version of gnome?
• 1455[09:08:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1667
• 1456[09:08:20] <dionysus69> this version has lots of annoying bugs like not loading extensions after suspend etc etc
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• 1465[09:12:15] <darxmurf> I found a few machines with mount definitions in the rc.local file, is it something common ?!
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• 1470[09:13:38] <jelly> dionysus69: it won't, in general versions of software are fixed within a release
• 1471[09:13:59] <jelly> darxmurf: no, it's LOCAL workaround
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• 1476[09:17:31] <dionysus69> jelly: and its not possible to upgrade without dirty hacking?
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• 1478[09:18:05] <dionysus69> so far I couldnt find a straighforward way to upgrade gnome version, I have backport repository in sources but I don't think gnome is part of it
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• 1480[09:18:51] <jelly> dionysus69: gnome has lots of components and dependencies, and jessie-backports are useful for more isolated bits of software
• 1481[09:20:08] <jelly> consider switching to stretch if you really can't live without a newer gnome
• 1482[09:20:09] <dionysus69> ok I guess I ll have to upgrade to stretch in order to use newer version :s )
• 1483[09:20:13] <jelly> or pick a different DE
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• 1485[09:20:30] <towo^work> cinnamon has got an update in backports
• 1486[09:20:45] <dionysus69> dunno I somehow prefer gnome over cinnamon
• 1487[09:21:03] <jelly> ,v task-cinnamon-desktop
• 1488[09:21:04] <judd> Package: task-cinnamon-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; stretch: 3.35; sid: 3.35
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• 1490[09:22:40] <jelly> ,v cinnamon
• 1491[09:22:41] <judd> Package: cinnamon on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.16-5; sid: 3.0.4-1; stretch: 3.0.4-1; jessie-backports: 3.0.4-2~bpo8+1
• 1492[09:22:56] <jelly> huh
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• 1647[10:56:10] <mirazi_heket> whats the most reliable way to copy /var to different localisation? cp -prd ?
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• 1653[10:58:14] <unborn> mirazi_heket: rsync
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• 1656[10:59:09] <Anju> Bonjour
• 1657[10:59:12] <mirazi_heket> unborn: will try, well, read manual first :)
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• 1659[10:59:20] <mimtf> while (( $# )) <— why there is (( )), what is it?
• 1660[10:59:29] <mimtf> (( ))
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• 1663[10:59:56] <unborn> its not that complicated mirazi_heket ... just make sure you use -a so you preserve everything
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• 1666[11:00:23] <mirazi_heket> i think so, will read manual regardless
• 1667[11:00:24] <mimtf> me unborn ?
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• 1669[11:00:57] <mirazi_heket> mimtf: no
• 1670[11:01:16] <unborn> mirazi_heket: rsync -a dir1/ dir2
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• 1674[11:02:14] <unborn> mirazi_heket: one second.. I will give you simple explanation and example how to use it
• 1675[11:02:34] <mirazi_heket> unborn: no need to, understood all options and usage
• 1676[11:02:41] <mirazi_heket> reading done
• 1677[11:02:47] <mirazi_heket> thanks however
• 1678[11:03:08] <unborn> mirazi_heket: brilliant.. in my view that is the best way to copy files also fastest..
• 1679[11:03:23] <mirazi_heket> unborn: will check after reboot ;D
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• 1683[11:07:00] <tinyhippo> is there a way jsut to install one package from Sid?
• 1684[11:07:36] <nkuttler> !tell tinyhippo about backports
• 1685[11:07:40] <nkuttler> !tell tinyhippo about ssbp
• 1686[11:07:41] <jelly> tinyhippo: short answer no
• 1687[11:08:15] <tinyhippo> thanks nkuttler
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• 1689[11:08:37] <tinyhippo> jelly: I really dont want to do it but I have a dependency on something that was added after jessie was released
• 1690[11:08:42] <mirazi_heket> tinyhippo: if there are no additional dependencies get it with wget
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• 1692[11:09:17] <jelly> tinyhippo: which package?
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• 1694[11:09:39] <tinyhippo> jelly: I need php5-memcached with igbinary support (sid has it, jessie doesn't)
• 1695[11:09:51] <jelly> ,backbackport php5-memcached
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• 1697[11:10:05] <jelly> ,checkbackport php5-memcached --fromrelease sid
• 1698[11:10:06] <judd> No package named 'php5-memcached' was found in sid/amd64.
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• 1700[11:10:20] <tinyhippo> ,checkbackport php-memcached --fomrelease sid
• 1701[11:10:21] <judd> (checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <amd64>] [--verbose]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and amd64 are used.
• 1702[11:10:27] <tinyhippo> ,checkbackport php-memcached --fromrelease sid
• 1703[11:10:37] <judd> Backporting package php-memcached in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: dh-php (>= 0.17~), php-all-dev (>= 28~), php-igbinary, php-json, php-msgpack.
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• 1705[11:11:04] <jelly> unless php-igbinary comes from its own source, that looks... problematic
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• 1707[11:12:17] <tinyhippo> probably better to remove it as a dependency
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• 1709[11:12:39] <jelly> you'd have to figure out whether it builds and works with php 5.6 from jessie at all
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• 1723[11:19:55] <RoyK> hm....
• 1724[11:19:55] <RoyK> Message from syslogd@black-mamba at Jun 24 11:18:09 ...
• 1725[11:19:55] <RoyK> kernel: [15542.165672] flags: 0x2ffff8000020008(uptodate|mappedtodisk)
• 1726[11:20:09] <RoyK> any idea what may cause these messages?
• 1727[11:20:21] <RoyK> memtest has been run
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• 1756[11:36:28] <mimtf> answer=42 ; eval x=\$$answer ; echo $x <—— why result is 2? i think that result is 42?
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• 1761[11:39:13] <CHCl3> I've got a laptod whith a config problem at the hdmi, the hdmi of the laptop works fine with the hdmi, but I've got an hdmi to vga adapter that is not detected by the laptop, the adapter works fine on a raspberry pi, but I need to force it to run the hdmi because the pi does neither detect it. So my question is which config file do I need to touch at Debian to force the hdmi with the needed resolution?
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• 1850[12:21:17] <unborn> mirazi_heket: did you had any luck?
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• 1855[12:26:04] <mirazi_heket> unborn: sure, just had to copy files second time, after reboot, since not everything was copied (files gone missing after reboot?!)
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• 1877[12:37:46] <jelly> mimtf: run the command line for your last question again, then run "set -x" in the same shell, then run the command line again, and pastebin the whole output including all the commands
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• 1884[12:38:34] <google77> hi
• 1885[12:39:26] <google77> is it possible that my testing has updated its sources.list and downgraded to stable?
• 1886[12:41:50] <jelly> google77: no
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• 1889[12:42:10] <jelly> no packages in debian will mess with your sources.list on their own
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• 1892[12:46:22] <google77> jelly ok then, I am investigating my install media then.
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• 1894[12:49:43] <jelly> google77: if you want to actually install testing, install a minimal jessie system then do
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• 1896[12:49:48] <jelly> dpkg, jessie->stretch
• 1897[12:49:48] <dpkg> First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
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• 1901[12:50:57] <jelly> google77: devel and testing d-i images are not made to install testing; they're made to test the new installer code
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• 1903[12:51:28] <google77> jelly I noticed what happened
• 1904[12:52:26] <google77> I downloaded debian-live-testing-amd64-lxde-desktop+nonfree.iso, but actually this was a Debian 8 image while it was still in testing.
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• 1906[12:52:46] <jelly> pfft
• 1907[12:53:22] <jelly> verify the timestamp and url before download? :-)
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• 1912[12:54:05] <google77> Are there any live testing images out there? I can't find them ATM.
• 1913[12:55:17] <jelly> ask in #debian-live over on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net) maybe
• 1914[12:56:04] <google77> ok thx anyways
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• 1921[12:58:51] <blut> where can I tell the debian installer to never touch any of my network settings?
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• 1924[13:00:14] <google77> ah fuck it, I think I am going to use the non-free netinstall.
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• 1928[13:01:16] <google77> all I really want it to do is to offer me guided encryption and to start x on bootup.
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• 1930[13:01:27] <google77> so I will experiment with it in virtualbox
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• 1955[13:14:24] <kiril> guys who's responsible for ii tcl-tls 1.6+dfsg-3 amd64 TLS OpenSSL extension to Tcl
• 1956[13:14:52] <kiril> for the reason package is older than required it's not working
• 1957[13:14:53] <kiril> replaced-url
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• 1983[13:29:13] <mimtf> su vs su - , which is difference?
• 1984[13:29:21] <mimtf> what is difference?
• 1985[13:30:26] <p0g0> persistance
• 1986[13:30:43] <mimtf> what you mean?
• 1987[13:30:47] <mimtf> p0g0: ?
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• 1991[13:31:27] <p0g0> su -l, for example, (iirc the l is optional) makes the su a session, not a one off.
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• 1995[13:32:35] <mimtf> i don’t know what you mean?
• 1996[13:32:36] <mimtf> :(
• 1997[13:33:03] <mimtf> p0g0:
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• 2000[13:34:29] <kiril> anyone about the issue with this outdated package?
• 2001[13:34:32] <p0g0> You can escalate your privilege to superuser (root) levels using su, The invocation with "-" makes the escalation persist in the console session, so all commands issued in that escalated console have super user privilege, until you close that session.
• 2002[13:35:06] <p0g0> Hence, the "-" makes the su command persist for the duration of the console session.
• 2003[13:35:58] <mimtf> then i must use - ? p0g0
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• 2005[13:36:09] <mimtf> it is good idea?
• 2006[13:36:13] <p0g0> mimtf: this is all well documented in the man page.
• 2007[13:36:23] <mimtf> :(
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• 2010[13:37:27] <mimtf> -, -l, --login make the shell a login shell
• 2011[13:37:30] <mimtf> lol
• 2012[13:37:32] <p0g0> If you want a console with root prvilege, yes it is a good tool, however, most folks agree that it is a risky thing to do, and that one should only escalate privilege when you need that privilege.
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• 2014[13:37:41] <mimtf> - mak log in shell
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• 2017[13:39:20] <mimtf> thanks i understand it.
• 2018[13:39:29] <mimtf> p0g0: :)
• 2019[13:39:49] <mimtf> jackbrown: how about your android phone?
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• 2021[13:40:15] <jackbrown> mimtf: hi I reinstalled anothe CUSTOM ROM and suddenly and magically both the IMEI were fixed !
• 2022[13:40:28] <mimtf> good
• 2023[13:40:38] <mimtf> but what is ppi?
• 2024[13:40:48] <jackbrown> mimtf: after that I used TWRP and I did a backup of the NVRAM partition (5mb almost)
• 2025[13:40:51] <jackbrown> mimtf: ppi ?
• 2026[13:40:59] <mimtf> yeah
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• 2028[13:41:01] <mimtf> screen ppi
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• 2033[13:42:08] <kltrg_> I’m running jessie and I can’t get networking to work. It worked plug and play with ethernet in the beginning but then I installed wicd to manage a wireless connection. And now, even the wired connection doesn’t work any more. I also tried Network Manager, but it can’t manage my networking devices (that’s what the applet says). How can I reset everything and get a good start?
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• 2037[13:43:03] <jackbrown> mimtf: what do you mean ? if it changed ?
• 2038[13:43:11] <jackbrown> mimtf: I never asked about screen ppi
• 2039[13:43:16] <mimtf> pixel per inch
• 2040[13:43:26] <mimtf> what is your model?
• 2041[13:43:36] <mimtf> i will scan it on google.
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• 2043[13:44:58] <jelly> jackbrown, mimtf: take this to #debian-offtopic or a channel relevant for phone mods, please
• 2044[13:45:08] <mimtf> oh
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• 2046[13:45:33] <mimtf> jelly: i know jackbrown, so i talk with guy. ok
• 2047[13:45:45] <jelly> mimtf: ok, just do it elsewhere
• 2048[13:45:52] <mimtf> ok
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• 2050[13:46:28] <jackbrown> sorry jelly. mimtf do you want to continue on another channel ?
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• 2052[13:46:39] <mimtf> ok where?
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• 2057[13:47:34] <jackbrown> mimtf: ok
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• 2125[14:17:06] <fornax> Hi I try to run a backuppc docker image and have problems making a rsync based backup on the remote system. I now debugged the connection to the remote ssh server and see a "Fatal error (bad version): tput: No value for $TERM and no -T specified". I googled and binged but there is noone having the same problem in this context. Anyone an idea what could cause the problem?
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• 2130[14:18:29] <fornax> The command backuppc executes is : /usr/bin/ssh -q -x -l root myhost.tld /usr/bin/rsync --server --sender --numeric-ids --perms --owner --group -D --links --hard-links --times --block-size=2048 --recursive --ignore-times . /
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• 2159[14:33:22] <deuterium> hia, how does debian jessie/8.x handle init scripts now that it uses systemd? is there some mechanism that considers legacy system-v scripts as well? is there any defined prioritization, e.g. first check if there's a systemd script, then check if there's a system v script?
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• 2168[14:38:58] <venkat_330> I all i have i have N200 atom processor with DEB 8 and using lightdm.. After boot process my screen goes blank...in kernel i see gma500 is loaded as driver..i want to try fbdev or vesa ... i tried changing Xorg.conf still :: lspci -k is shows gma500.. Need guidnace
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• 2181[14:45:10] <towo^work> venkat_330, if you want vesa, you have to blacklist gma500_gfx
• 2182[14:45:28] <towo^work> as long as gma500_gfx is loaded, vesa can't work
• 2183[14:45:55] <towo^work> you can even try xorg's modesetting driver, then you need gma500_gfx loaded
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• 2390[16:22:23] <kiril> is there any tool or whatever you can see the current power consumation in wats?
• 2391[16:24:37] <petn-randall> kiril: 'powertop' does that, if there are the sensors for it in your device.
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• 2409[16:36:14] <VlijmenFileer> I have two like entries in my sources.list: stretch-updates and stretch/updates. Are they the same?
• 2410[16:37:07] <wrksx> is there better than cat ./toconcat_* > concatenated
• 2411[16:37:38] <greycat> What improvement do you think that needs?
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• 2418[16:40:38] <petn-randall> VlijmenFileer: Check the info from dpkg, and just replace 'jessie' with 'stretch' while reading.
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• 2432[16:45:49] <VlijmenFileer> petn-randall Thanks, so different.
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• 2437[16:48:39] <guampa> should I expect problems if I choose sysv for the init in Debian servers?
• 2438[16:49:00] <guampa> (ie no X)
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• 2441[16:49:35] <greycat> It's supposed to work. Some people are doing it. I don't happen to be one of them.
• 2442[16:50:25] <guampa> thanks for the input greycat. I'll give it a shot then
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• 2480[17:05:05] <wrksx> greycat, last time I used cat I've been told it's a bad practice (cat | grep) so I thought there maybe a more 'respectful' way of doin it
• 2481[17:05:35] <wrksx> greycat, apart from that it just do what I want
• 2482[17:05:37] <greycat> "useless use of cat" is a thing, but cat *manyfiles* is not useless.
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• 2485[17:05:47] <hassoon> should i download the package that i need from the backport repository, from the web interface ? or should I ann the whole backport repository in my /etc/apt/sources.list~and do apt-get update? i read here that i should get a single package that just need (which is the openjdk/jre 8) in replaced-url
• 2486[17:05:58] <greycat> cat *is* the best choice for concatenating multiple files
• 2487[17:06:01] <wrksx> glad to hear that, thanks for your input greycat
• 2488[17:06:05] <hassoon> to avoid incompatibility iththe other components of debian stable
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• 2491[17:06:32] <greycat> The useless part is where you do cat onefile | grep blah instead of grep blah onefile
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• 2503[17:13:15] <mimtf> how can i install mysql?
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• 2508[17:14:44] <hassoon> mimtf: sudo apt-get install mysql-client-5.5 mysql-server-5.5
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• 2512[17:15:10] <mimtf> why there is a server and client?
• 2513[17:15:12] <mimtf> hassoon:
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• 2516[17:16:19] <hassoon> mimtf: because mysql is basically a language for managing mysql databases, so you need a server for building your mysql server, and yet a client for accessing the said server
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• 2518[17:16:47] <mimtf> oh
• 2519[17:16:54] <mimtf> replaced-url
• 2520[17:17:01] <mimtf> sudo apt-get install mysql-server
• 2521[17:17:17] <mimtf> instead of sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.5
• 2522[17:17:25] <mimtf> what is right? hassoon ?
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• 2524[17:18:11] <mimtf> debian use sudo?
• 2525[17:18:13] <mimtf> lol
• 2526[17:18:14] <mimtf> su?
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• 2529[17:18:18] <jak2000> hi all
• 2530[17:18:30] <jak2000> how to change the time of ask a password when use sudo command?
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• 2535[17:19:53] <greycat> passwd_timeout option
• 2536[17:20:01] <jak2000> in wich file?
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• 2538[17:20:31] <greycat> err... damn it, this man page is horrible. Looks like it's actually the timestamp_timeout option.
• 2539[17:21:29] <rlange> mimtf: by default debian does not use sudo, but you can (and should) install it and configure your user account to use it
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• 2541[17:21:52] <hassoon> mimtf: debian has already official wiki pages for how to install mysql* packages, read them instead
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• 2543[17:22:30] <mimtf> thanks rlange and hassoon
• 2544[17:22:31] <mimtf> :)
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• 2551[17:24:15] <rlange> hassoon: re backports, you can add the repo to apt. the backport repo is configured by default to only upgrade packages you have manually chosen, so a regular `apt-get upgrade` won't bring in every backport
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• 2554[17:25:04] <hassoon> rlange: ah alright, hence the openjdk/jre 8
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• 2560[17:26:09] <rlange> you can use `apt-get -t jessie-backports dist-upgrade` to see all of the backports for packages you currently have installed, but I would strongly recommend saying "N" to that upgrade and manually installing specific needed packages
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• 2564[17:27:43] <mimtf> himtf is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. <——sudo apt-get install mysql-server
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• 2566[17:27:47] <mimtf> what’s wrong?
• 2567[17:27:49] <hassoon> rlange: i see.
• 2568[17:27:51] <hassoon> thanks
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• 2573[17:28:31] <rlange> mimtf: you need to add yourseld to the sudoers file before you can sudo. try `su visudo` to add yourself, but read the man page first so you use the right format.
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• 2575[17:28:47] <greycat> `su visudo` is not a valid command
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• 2577[17:29:13] <mimtf> rlange: then i can install it with root?
• 2578[17:29:21] <mimtf> su -
• 2579[17:29:22] <mimtf> root
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• 2582[17:29:34] <greycat> "su" and then "visudo", yes. Or "su -c visudo".
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• 2586[17:29:36] <rlange> doop, yeah, it's `su - -c visudo`
• 2587[17:29:40] <mimtf> member:apt-get install mysql-server
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• 2589[17:29:53] <rlange> or if you're already root, just visudo
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• 2592[17:31:10] <greycat> I *strongly* discourage this "use backticks as IRC markup" trend but I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to stop it. It conflicts with the literal use of `...` as shell syntax.
• 2593[17:31:37] <greycat> There are also literal backticks in MySQL. Which are totally different in meaning from sh's.
• 2594[17:31:38] <rlange> greycat: true. any suggestion for delimiting commands from speech?
• 2595[17:32:49] <hassoon> what are you guys discussing
• 2596[17:32:52] <rlange> haha, yeah
• 2597[17:32:57] <hassoon> the use backticks thing
• 2598[17:33:25] <rlange> how to delimit unix commands from speech in such a way that we aren't conflicting with legal command syntax
• 2599[17:33:33] <rlange> when discussing on irc
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• 2601[17:35:34] <mimtf> rlange: i just can install mysql with root instead of sudo?
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• 2603[17:36:07] <rlange> mimtf: yeah, once you're root sudo is not needed. it's just recommended that you don't regularly run a shell as root
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• 2608[17:36:47] <mimtf> ok thanks
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• 2611[17:37:17] <hassoon> rlange: okey
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• 2620[17:39:40] <hassoon> there was this colleague who just switches to su (root), does his whole admin work keeping the su root connected for the whole time until he finishes, i told him to use just sudo and minimize the time of using su, but he kept denying my advices ahah
• 2621[17:39:47] <hassoon> back in unviversity
• 2622[17:40:06] <greycat> Different styles, different upbringings.
• 2623[17:40:16] <hassoon> but wasn't I wright back then ?
• 2624[17:40:23] <hassoon> * right *
• 2625[17:40:57] <greycat> I use su whenever there's a directory that only root (or a specific role-user) can see the contents of. Because sudo on files I can't see or tab complete it abominable.
• 2626[17:41:27] <babilen> I often just "sudo -i" and do whatever I have to do on the box. Having to prefix everything you do with "sudo" is annoying.
• 2627[17:41:36] <plasmoduck> whats a good console based stock market monitoring tool?
• 2628[17:41:52] <plasmoduck> I found this, anything else? replaced-url
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• 2630[17:42:11] <rlange> yeah, if you're going to do a bunch of commands in a row as root, you might as well just «sudo -i» to save yourself some typing
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• 2632[17:42:57] <jak2000> greycat is passwd_timeout or: timestamp_timeout in wich file change this?
• 2633[17:43:02] <greycat> jak2000: man sudoers
• 2634[17:43:10] <jak2000> ok
• 2635[17:43:13] <greycat> There's only one config file for sudo, so it didn't have to be said.
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• 2638[17:43:48] <greycat> And remember to use the "visudo" command to alter it, NOT a direct text editor. It's like passwd, has its own lock-and-edit-and-verify command.
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• 2642[17:45:00] <rlange> especially if you don't have a root password set, you don't want to bork your sudoers file by editing it outside visudo
• 2643[17:46:24] <greycat> Unfortunately the sudoers syntax is atrociously bad and the documentation is *worse*.
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• 2645[17:46:43] <greycat> I don't know how this thing caught on.
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• 2649[17:47:07] <babilen> Like flu?
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• 2655[17:47:49] <rlange> someone w/ a lot of money said "paeons, this is the way you will do things from now on" and people obeyed him?
• 2656[17:47:50] <hassoon> doesnt visudo modify the same /etc/sudoers file anyway ?
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• 2658[17:48:14] <greycat> Yes, but it does sanity checks, like using vipw instead of vi /etc/passwd.
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• 2689[17:57:34] <err403> Would someone mind walking me through a recovery? I installed a new SSD, but now it won’t boot. It did show up under the old failing drive, after I tarred over the contents. I have a live CD installed, and currently at the ALT Linux (regular-rescue) menu, with the options Rescue LiveCD
• 2690[17:58:05] <err403> Rescue with sessions support, etc. My main SSD is sdb. I started working on this yesterday, but got interrupted at work.
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• 2732[18:17:21] <spectie> hey all!
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• 2735[18:17:29] <spectie> does anyone here run debian on a macbook air ?
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• 2738[18:17:44] <spectie> i'm having some problems with doing netinst because of the wireless driver
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• 2831[18:48:31] <deb> is there a way i can install freebsd in a debian bootstrap?
• 2832[18:49:07] <greycat> I think you would need a virtual machine for that. It can't be done in a chroot because the kernels are not the same.
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• 2834[18:50:09] <deb> i dont think so too, perhaps in a vm?
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• 2836[18:51:28] <deb> greycat, cat i pm you?
• 2837[18:51:39] <deb> greycat, *
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• 2839[18:52:11] <mdim> hi all
• 2840[18:52:15] <greycat> It would be a waste of time because I don't know anything about virtual machines or freebsd installation.
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• 2843[18:52:59] <deb> greycat, is not about bsd, its about your bot
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• 2845[18:53:12] <mdim> I've been having high CPU loads due to cgmanager occupying it when I start doing something with LXC containers, e.g. creating one. It's cgmanager 0.33-2+deb8u2 from Debian Jessie. Has anyone had issues like that?
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• 2847[18:53:34] <greycat> My bot isn't even in this channel, but... ok...
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• 2849[18:55:15] <mdim> cgmanager occupies one of my CPU cores at 100% and stays like that until I restart the service
• 2850[18:56:12] <fishcooker> how to automatically reconnect using pptp after disconecting?
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• 2858[18:58:11] <sobersabre> hi. when would apt-get update require "-y" option?
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• 2861[18:58:33] <sobersabre> I don't remember apt-get update requiring interaction.. is it interactive?
• 2862[18:58:36] <greycat> When you REALLY trust that it won't do the wrong thing, and you REALLY need to walk away from the keyboard.
• 2863[18:58:41] <H4ndy> sobersabre: if you want to skip the "yes/no" confirmation
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• 2865[18:59:00] <sobersabre> H4ndy: when does apt-get update EVER ASK for any confirmation?
• 2866[18:59:08] <H4ndy> every time for me
• 2867[18:59:09] <sobersabre> apt-get update, not apt-get upgrade.
• 2868[18:59:14] <H4ndy> oh update
• 2869[18:59:22] <doublehp_> replacing libc6 2.11 by 2.22 fails with something about unknown directive 'activate-nowait' . any chance to fix this ?
• 2870[18:59:23] <H4ndy> that shouldnt haven any confirmation
• 2871[18:59:23] <sobersabre> Please explain, H4ndy
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• 2875[19:00:03] <rupmaister> hi
• 2876[19:00:13] <sobersabre> I have ansible automation and somebody wrote 'apt-get update -y', and I'm f***ing puzzled what da hell did he mean by '-y' :-\
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• 2883[19:01:51] <H4ndy> the option is pretty much useless for update
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• 2885[19:02:25] <greycat> right, agreed
• 2886[19:03:18] <afernandez_> y, --yes, --assume-yes
• 2887[19:03:20] <afernandez_> Automatic yes to prompts; assume "yes" as answer to all prompts and run
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• 2889[19:03:21] <afernandez_> non-interactively. If an undesirable situation, such as changing a held
• 2890[19:03:23] <afernandez_> package, trying to install a unauthenticated package or removing an
• 2891[19:03:25] <afernandez_> essential package occurs then apt-get will abort. Configuration Item:
• 2892[19:03:26] <afernandez_> APT::Get::Assume-Yes.
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• 2894[19:03:42] <jhutchins> Wow, how'd he sneak that past the flood bot?
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• 2896[19:03:50] <afernandez_> But ike the above people said , useless in apt-get uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupdate
• 2897[19:03:54] <H4ndy> delayed pasted
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• 2899[19:04:10] <afernandez_> oops
• 2900[19:04:13] <greycat> Like knife fights in Dune.
• 2901[19:04:23] <afernandez_> whats up with that "u"
• 2902[19:04:37] <jhutchins> afernandez_: Useless in update, yes, but perhaps mis-typed for an upgrade.
• 2903[19:04:43] <jhutchins> Or just brainfart.
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• 2906[19:05:52] <doublehp_> which search engine is compatible with lynx ? google is not
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• 2914[19:08:11] <doublehp_> why does stretch network installer try to install squeeze ?
• 2915[19:08:31] <mtn> trick questions?
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• 2919[19:09:06] <doublehp_> mtn: nope ... 36h i am trying to install debian on my disk; running out of hope
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• 2921[19:09:59] <mtn> doublehp_: you do know the stretch installer is basically for testing the installer, right? stretch is the testing version
• 2922[19:10:02] <jhutchins> doublehp_: Given that thousands of people have successfully installed Debian, we must seriously question your methods.
• 2923[19:10:10] <mtn> indeed
• 2924[19:10:14] <jhutchins> doublehp_: GOogle is usable in lynx with some work.
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• 2927[19:11:07] <doublehp_> jhutchins: boot the netinst CD, press 5 times ENTER, and "squeeze not available on this mirror"
• 2928[19:11:09] <jhutchins> doublehp_: Useful enough that I have't tracked down anything more text-friendly.
• 2929[19:11:32] <croddy> startpage looks horrible but works fine
• 2930[19:11:57] <jhutchins> doublehp_: Maybe you could try installing current stable. It's more likely to be available acrosss the mirrors than an archiveal release.
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• 2932[19:12:24] <jhutchins> doublehp_: If it's defaulting to squeeze then you probably have the wrong image for Jessie.
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• 2936[19:12:42] <doublehp_> jhutchins: 6 wrong different ISOs ?
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• 2943[19:16:04] <jhutchins> doublehp_: Reptition does not influence correctness.
• 2944[19:16:22] <jhutchins> doublehp_: Why would you have six different isos uness you knew what each one was?
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• 2946[19:16:49] <jhutchins> doublehp_: Again, THOUSANDS of people got this right without struggling.
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• 2948[19:18:29] <jhutchins> doublehp_: Have you read the install instructions? Have you read the release notes?
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• 2950[19:18:44] <doublehp_> jhutchins: i have 2 old ones from archives, and downloaded 4 new ones just today from mirrors (from jessie and stretch folders); all 6 complain that my mirrors can't provide squeeze. So, if those 4 iso i took today had any trouble, I also believe some people would have complained; and it does not explain how an ISO downloaded from stretch folder would try to install squeeze
• 2951[19:19:21] <jhutchins> doublehp_: No, it doesn't explain it, unless you downloaded an old image.
• 2952[19:19:52] <jhutchins> doublehp_: I wish I were more familiar with the installer, I only run it once every several years.
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• 2955[19:20:15] <jhutchins> !install guide
• 2956[19:20:16] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
• 2957[19:20:16] <doublehp_> jhutchins: 2 files i downloaded today are tagged 2016 in the filename
• 2958[19:20:29] <jhutchins> !netinstall
• 2959[19:20:29] <dpkg> well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
• 2960[19:20:37] <doublehp_> jhutchins: had not run it since 2008
• 2961[19:21:17] <mtn> doublehp_: I used the stable installer and upgraded to sid a couple of days ago. no mention of squeeze anywhwere to be seen ;)
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• 2963[19:22:11] <doublehp_> jhutchins: why don't they give this URL in the debian installer page ? debian install page has a text about netinst, but does not give any download link !!!
• 2964[19:22:39] <jhutchins> doublehp_: It's the internet. Links age out, and somebody has to maintain them.
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• 2967[19:23:08] <doublehp_> jhutchins: 10y they are NOT providing the netinst cd links on the debian install page
• 2968[19:23:12] <doublehp_> BRB
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• 2971[19:23:20] <mtn> yikes
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• 2973[19:24:10] <doublehp> !netinstall
• 2974[19:24:10] <dpkg> netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
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• 2977[19:25:00] <teraflops> dpkg: are you trying to do a clean install of squeeze?
• 2978[19:25:01] <dpkg> teraflops: i don't know
• 2979[19:25:08] <teraflops> doublehp*
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• 2984[19:25:57] <doublehp> teraflops: I am trying to perform a NEW install of any recent distro
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• 2986[19:26:29] <jhutchins> doublehp: We suggest jessie/8.5
• 2987[19:26:30] <jelly> doublehp: there's a link on the main page of replaced-url
• 2988[19:26:52] <doublehp> i am fine: found a new ISO to test; if it fails again about squeeze, i ll come back
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• 2993[19:27:33] <teraflops> doublehp: try debian jessie, if you get errors installing it please share with us or google them
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• 2996[19:28:04] <doublehp> replaced-url
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• 2998[19:28:32] <jelly> doublehp: what kind of hardware are you targeting?
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• 3002[19:29:40] <doublehp> jelly: Intel brand of AMD64; but first step of installation is done via VirtualBox on a 486 kernel to raw disk: korked fine 3 times already
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• 3014[19:31:35] <spectie> are there any versions of debian with 4.x kernels?
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• 3018[19:32:09] <mtn> spectie: sure
• 3019[19:32:25] <TomTomTosch> spectie: jessie-backports has 4.6 right now.
• 3020[19:32:34] <babilen> spectie: You can install it from backports on jessie and it already is in testing and unstable
• 3021[19:32:41] <afernandez_> cmd: Linux kanotixbox 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 3022[19:32:42] <babilen> judd: kernels
• 3023[19:32:43] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc4-686-pae (4.7~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
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• 3028[19:33:31] <spectie> hmm
• 3029[19:33:39] <spectie> i'm trying to install debian on a macbook air
• 3030[19:33:42] <spectie> and i can't see the ssd
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• 3032[19:34:00] <spectie> the kernel in the 'daily' installer i downloaded seems to be 3.x series
• 3033[19:34:07] <spectie> so i figured i'd try with a 4.x series kernel
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• 3035[19:34:56] <spectie> am i looking in the wrong place ?
• 3036[19:35:05] <babilen> Where did you look?
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• 3040[19:36:54] <babilen> There is no stable installer with a newer kernel, but you could use replaced-url
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• 3052[19:40:46] <spectie> babilen,
• 3053[19:40:51] <spectie> yes that's what i've been trying
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• 3056[19:41:10] <spectie> one sec
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• 3068[19:47:03] <jil365> Hi all
• 3069[19:47:38] <jil365> I've had an issue with one M-SATA drive and I'm trying to recover data on it
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• 3071[19:47:56] <jil365> I made a ddrescu that told me only 30M were in error
• 3072[19:48:32] <jil365> The ddrescu was made on all the partitions of the drive
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• 3074[19:48:52] <jil365> Now I'm not able to access my data because this drive was using LVM
• 3075[19:49:19] <jil365> and I think LVM data were in the 30M in error
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• 3080[19:50:02] <jil365> So vgscan shows me nothing
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• 3082[19:50:06] <doublehp> teraflops: does not boot; no error message
• 3083[19:50:12] <spectie> babilen,
• 3084[19:50:12] <jil365> And I don't know were to go
• 3085[19:50:13] <spectie> replaced-url
• 3086[19:50:17] <spectie> this is where i downloaded it
• 3087[19:50:19] <spectie> is there a better place ?
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• 3090[19:50:55] <doublehp> teraflops: can I put the ISO on a USB stick ?
• 3091[19:51:14] <babilen> spectie: It is one of the choices and should come with a 4.* kernel
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• 3094[19:51:47] <someotherguy> is this an appropriate place to ask questions?
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• 3096[19:51:51] <someotherguy> oh, seems it is
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• 3100[19:52:04] <mtn> doublehp: replaced-url
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• 3102[19:52:15] <someotherguy> I have a network drive mounted via FUSE that has spaces in the name
• 3103[19:52:34] <someotherguy> i'm trying to make an alias for it that has no spaces in the name
• 3104[19:52:41] <someotherguy> or remount it somewhere else
• 3105[19:52:49] <someotherguy> does anyone know how to do this?
• 3106[19:53:10] <someotherguy> i need to basically manually mount a FUSE network drive to some subfolder name in /mnt that I specify
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• 3108[19:53:23] <someotherguy> like /mnt/anamewithnospaces
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• 3111[19:54:02] <doublehp> someotherguy: why not do a symlink to the content ?
• 3112[19:54:17] <doublehp> someotherguy: also, can use "mount -o bind"
• 3113[19:54:25] <jil365> Here is some commands output: replaced-url
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• 3115[19:54:51] <someotherguy> sorry doublehp, i'm very new to linux
• 3116[19:54:55] <someotherguy> how would i make a symlink?
• 3117[19:55:14] <greycat> man ln
• 3118[19:55:15] <someotherguy> i guess i can use man symlink to find that out actually
• 3119[19:55:19] <doublehp> someotherguy: ln -s target source
• 3120[19:55:22] <someotherguy> oh right ln
• 3121[19:55:24] <someotherguy> ok thanks
• 3122[19:55:36] <doublehp> someotherguy: mount -o bind target source
• 3123[19:56:06] <someotherguy> thanks!
• 3124[19:56:09] <someotherguy> i'll try that out
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• 3126[19:56:18] <teraflops> doublehp: yes you can. how are you trying to boot the iso?
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• 3131[19:57:26] <doublehp> teraflops: since the ISO does not work in virtualbox, my last chance is to boot a USB flash on physical machine
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• 3133[19:58:16] <google77> hi anyone here?
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• 3135[19:58:28] <teraflops> doublehp: I don't know about vbox, but im pretty sure people uses debian isos all the time in virtualbox
• 3136[19:58:34] <google77> just wanted to report that my upgrade from stable to testing went well
• 3137[19:58:42] <google77> even X did not break :D
• 3138[19:58:51] <doublehp> teraflops: bah, in VB, the same way other ISO worked ... replaced-url
• 3139[19:59:04] <babilen> google77: "yet" ;)
• 3140[19:59:15] <spectie> babilen, hmm
• 3141[19:59:30] <spectie> babilen, maybe the installer boots with an old kernel ?
• 3142[19:59:35] <google77> seriously, why is X so breakable?
• 3143[19:59:36] <somiaj> doublehp: you know squeeze is now longer supported and you have to get packages from archive.debian.net (offical mirrors won't have any squeeze sources)
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• 3145[19:59:48] <teraflops> doublehp: you still say squeeze and I don't know why
• 3146[19:59:57] <babilen> google77: Install apt-listbugs and read replaced-url
• 3147[20:00:03] <babilen> dpkg: tell google77 -about tum
• 3148[20:00:04] <google77> Isn't squeeze in old old stable?
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• 3151[20:00:32] <doublehp> teraflops: squeeze is what was written in the sourcelist i got ... after running debian-6.0.10-amd64-netinst.iso
• 3152[20:00:46] <babilen> spectie: I have no idea what that installer is like or what it does. You might want to try the alpha maybe?
• 3153[20:00:47] <somiaj> google77: squeeze stopped being supported earlier this year, as such the packages are still avaialbe in an archive, but they don't recieve any security support anymore.
• 3154[20:01:03] <babilen> google77: "stretch" != "squeeze" :)
• 3155[20:01:10] <teraflops> doublehp: again, use a current debian iso (jessie)
• 3156[20:01:20] <modwizcode> Been having issues botting debian images on my physical desktop. Somehow just having the debian USB plugged in freezes after part of POST test.
• 3157[20:01:25] <spectie> babilen, where is that ?
• 3158[20:01:28] <babilen> google77: Ah, sorry .. you are absolutely right
• 3159[20:01:33] <somiaj> doublehp: correct, but that will not write correct sources, because squeeze is not on the mirrors any more, you'll have to change the sources to archive.debian.net and also have a unsecure os. Listen to teraflops and use a supported release.
• 3160[20:01:40] <babilen> spectie: Right at the top on replaced-url
• 3161[20:01:58] <babilen> spectie: Please note that I also haven't used that installer either :)
• 3162[20:02:03] <google77> I have lots to autoremove now, should I do it?
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• 3165[20:02:18] <somiaj> google77: look though the list and make sure it is nothing youw ant.
• 3166[20:02:46] <someotherguy> doublehp you're the best! it works perfectly :D
• 3167[20:02:51] <teraflops> doublehp: if your vbox fails to boot a debian jessie iso idk why
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• 3169[20:03:02] <spectie> babilen, ok! thanks
• 3170[20:03:03] <google77> somiaj looks like mostly libs
• 3171[20:03:24] <spectie> babilen, actually that's the one i'm using
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• 3173[20:04:07] <somiaj> google77: that is usuallyt he case, just alwasy best to double check before doing anything in testing. If you feel there is no program you'll be missing then autoremove the packages.
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• 3176[20:05:09] <google77> somiaj it seems it wants to uninstall calligra
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• 3178[20:05:51] <babilen> spectie: Didn't you say that you were using the daily?
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• 3180[20:06:04] <somiaj> google77: if there are packages in that list you don't want to be uninstalled, you'll have to change their flag from 'auto' to 'manual' and they wont' uninstalled by autoremove
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• 3183[20:06:45] <somiaj> google77: man apt-mark, you can use that to change the flag to manual. You can also run 'apt-get install foo' and the side effect is it will mark it as manual
• 3184[20:07:18] <google77> somiaj what I usually did with Ubuntu is just apt the package and it changed the flags by itself.
• 3185[20:07:33] <somiaj> google77: that works, just saying you can use apt-mark if needed as well
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• 3201[20:13:31] <google77> dolphin however seems to be broken...
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• 3203[20:14:31] <babilen> google77: fwiw, we have #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support
• 3204[20:15:08] <jelly> "if it's broken, you get to keep all the pieces"
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• 3207[20:15:39] <google77> oh jelly, you are still here...good news... now I actually am on Testing
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• 3210[20:16:04] <jelly> so am I! WHAT COINCIDENCE
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• 3212[20:16:30] <greycat> s/if it's broken/when it breaks/
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• 3214[20:16:36] <google77> I guess I will add apt-listbugs to my update.sh
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• 3216[20:16:40] <google77> :P
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• 3218[20:17:56] <jelly> I'd suggest apt-listchanges as well but when you're on testing and sid it lists so much stuff you won't read it anyway. Still, configure it to show you NEWS.Debian at least
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• 3224[20:22:43] <ryouma> my understanding is that those are not for stable though
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• 3228[20:22:58] <ryouma> at least, i was told so here
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• 3231[20:23:58] <google77> noob question, how do I use apt-listbugs when I want to use it for all packages in apt upgrade?
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• 3233[20:24:04] <Draggin> Good evening, everyone. I'm stuck with my hands in my hair... Out of the blue, my wi-fi card on my Debian Jessie system stopped connecting to my router. Gives a "bad password" message every time. Odd thing is - it's not the router, NOR the wi-fi card. The router works fine with other devices and operating systems. The wi-fi card works fine from the same machine when using it from a live CD. I've just set up an entirely different router, and I STILL have
• 3234[20:24:05] <Draggin> the same issue. The articles are all going on about removing Network manager and only using WICD with wpasupplicant. That's the setup I've always had. I don't know for the life of me what could have changed - was definitely nothing manual. Any advice as to where to begin looking? I've reinstalled wicd and wpasupplicant.
• 3235[20:24:40] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Does anyone here know how to use LibreOffice Base? Is there a Debian-LibreOffice channel?
• 3236[20:24:52] <rupmaister> hi
• 3237[20:25:28] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: one would think "how to use product" wouldn't be a debian specific question
• 3238[20:25:28] <Lady_Aleena> I can't get a MS Access database to open in LibreOffice Base. I am getting very very agitated.
• 3239[20:25:34] <google77> Draggin I had a similar issue. It got fixed after I used network manager once. Are you sure you don't have NM or some parts of it installed?
• 3240[20:25:42] <jelly> so maybe find a libreoffice channel
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• 3243[20:26:01] <google77> #libreoffice probably exists.
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• 3247[20:27:00] <Lady_Aleena> google77, no Debian users there, so they use versions of LibreOffice which are far ahead of what Debian supports at the moment.
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• 3253[20:27:43] <Lady_Aleena> I was hoping to find a Debian based LibreOffice channel for those of us who have a version which nearly is 10 points behind.
• 3254[20:27:49] <google77> Lady_Aleena it is still worth a try, just tell them which LO version you use.
• 3255[20:27:50] <Draggin> google77, Can't do /etc/init.d/network-manager restart or anything (doesn't exist there). Network Manager itself is definitely not installed according to Synaptic. Not sure what other "parts" I might be looking for though...?
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• 3257[20:28:19] <google77> Draggin does your router support WPS?
• 3258[20:28:35] <jelly> ,v libreoffice
• 3259[20:28:36] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u3; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u4; jessie-backports: 1:5.1.3-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1:5.1.4~rc2-2; stretch: 1:5.1.4~rc2-2; experimental: 1:5.2.0~rc1-1
• 3260[20:28:42] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: You _might_ find a Libre Office channel. Once you filter down to Debian Libre Office, you're below the threshold for a viable live irc channel.
• 3261[20:28:46] <Draggin> google77, Ummm... I think so... let me check... I've never used it...
• 3262[20:28:57] <greycat> That sounds like a hell of a backport.
• 3263[20:29:01] <google77> if yes try forgetting your network and reconnecting trough it by pushing the button on your router.
• 3264[20:29:19] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: if the upstream support nags you about the horribly old version you use, you can install 5.1.3 from jessie-backports
• 3265[20:29:32] <Draggin> google77, Yup - it's got a WPS button... I've never used WPS before though...
• 3266[20:30:18] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, the only person I found in #libreoffice is a Windows user who is using LibreOffice 5.1.4 while we're stuck back at 4.3.3.2.
• 3267[20:30:38] <google77> Draggin easy... just first make wicd forget your network and disconnect, then push the buttton and reconnect over wicd, you have like 1 minute of time.
• 3268[20:31:15] <Draggin> I... uh... How do I make it forget the network? I can't see how to make that happen...
• 3269[20:31:22] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, I don't know how to use backports. I forgot.
• 3270[20:31:46] <modwizcode> Any reason my pulseaudio outputs are all insanely loud?
• 3271[20:31:47] <google77> yeah I am a noob at wicd... maybe someone else can help you there.
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• 3273[20:32:14] <google77> apparently dolphin with qt4 works wi+hile the qt5 version is broken in testing.
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• 3276[20:33:04] <Draggin> google77, Thanks. Let me see if I can get something right here... Gonna disappear for a second though
• 3277[20:33:15] <greycat> !tell Lady_Aleena about bdo
• 3278[20:33:34] <greycat> Or is that outdated now...?
• 3279[20:33:44] <jelly> it's good enough
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• 3283[20:35:58] <DammitJim> Do you guys think I need to fully disable ipv6 on my debian systems?
• 3284[20:36:02] <DammitJim> I don't use ipv6
• 3285[20:36:07] <greycat> Then why would you care?
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• 3287[20:36:33] <DammitJim> some software company that does systems monitoring was saying we had to disable it
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• 3289[20:36:37] <DammitJim> but I'm not buying it
• 3290[20:37:18] <greycat> If you don't use it, then I can't see any benefits to disabling it.
• 3291[20:37:18] <jelly> DammitJim: did they provide raisins?
• 3292[20:37:23] <koollman> DammitJim: fewer active software parts mean less chances for something to go wrong. I can understand their opinion
• 3293[20:37:23] <google77> DammitJim, whatwas their rationale?
• 3294[20:37:34] <greycat> What "active parts"?
• 3295[20:37:49] <koollman> also there are classics, with ipv6. you may have no ipv6 but "just enough" that some softwares will change behaviour
• 3296[20:37:51] <greycat> Other than ::1
• 3297[20:38:12] <jelly> DammitJim: when I disable it, I disable it to make the resolver library be less chatty and less dumb
• 3298[20:38:20] <DammitJim> they didn't prove the disgusting raisings
• 3299[20:38:21] <google77> So how does apt-listbugs get used?
• 3300[20:38:22] <koollman> typical : localhost on ::1, or trying to use an ipv6 address when it is provided if there's a bit of autoconf on the network
• 3301[20:38:29] <scream> also, you can think that you have a firewall set up with iptable, but v6 link-local address is still open ;)
• 3302[20:38:40] <jelly> DammitJim: what about reasons then
• 3303[20:39:08] <Draggin> google77, Nope... No luck. I think this wi-fi card might be too old for WPS. But - interestingly, even if I switch off all encryption on the router, the card STILL fails to obtain an IP address
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• 3305[20:39:17] <DammitJim> their reason was that the monitoring system does autodiscovery and servers that have ipv6, but don't use it, confuse their system and they don't report info about those machines
• 3306[20:39:18] <DammitJim> LOL
• 3307[20:39:20] <koollman> for example, I've disabled ipv6 on many systems because some debian mirrors have ipv6, the networks the systems were in had no ipv6 officially, but it was enough for the ipv6 address for the mirror to be tried first
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• 3309[20:39:36] <jelly> DammitJim: tell them to fix their own software
• 3310[20:39:43] <DammitJim> the other reason why I bring it up is because sometimes I see stuff when doing lsof -p <pid> where it prints ipv6 stuff
• 3311[20:40:00] <google77> Draggin well, continue trying, have luck with it.
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• 3314[20:40:04] <jelly> dual stack is the norm for linux
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• 3316[20:40:07] <koollman> or, funnier reasons, you lock down ipv6 by dropping everything in ip6tables rules, and suddenly local software crashes. because localhost is ipv6
• 3317[20:40:32] <Draggin> google77, Haha, what do you mean...?
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• 3319[20:40:53] <koollman> (or worse, some softwaer get an ipv6 address as an answer and have no idea what to do with it. although it's rare)
• 3320[20:41:06] <DammitJim> or it drives me nuts when someone asks me why a netstat shows tcp6 for port 22
• 3321[20:41:13] <google77> Draggin, I mean I am out of advice for now :(
• 3322[20:41:24] <jelly> DammitJim: what happens when you add a system to monitoring, then start using 'v6 at some point?
• 3323[20:41:49] <DammitJim> jelly, you know how it is... at that time, all hell will break loose
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• 3325[20:42:26] <Draggin> Ah, google77. Darn :/ Thanks though :)
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• 3327[20:42:49] <jelly> DammitJim: point out that fact
• 3328[20:42:56] <jelly> !noipv6
• 3329[20:42:57] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
• 3330[20:43:01] <jelly> ^^
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• 3332[20:43:15] <scream> or use sysctl ;)
• 3333[20:43:26] <DammitJim> scream, that's what I found... edit my sysctl.conf
• 3334[20:43:30] <greycat> ... and this is why we will never have full IPv6 adoption.
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• 3336[20:43:55] <spectie> hmm
• 3337[20:43:56] <spectie> replaced-url
• 3338[20:43:58] <DammitJim> but man, I don't want to start that... I'll have to submit a change request for management to know I'm doing this since I'll affect prod servers
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• 3340[20:44:09] <spectie> this suggests that linux just doesn't support the ssd
• 3341[20:44:16] <greycat> DammitJim: they want you to change things, but then they won't let you change the things they want you to change?
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• 3343[20:44:27] <scream> i speak as an ipv6 user - disable it if you don't know/need to deal with it
• 3344[20:44:39] <scream> especially disable it in production if you do not need it
• 3345[20:44:54] <jelly> DammitJim: software _will_ act subtly different (eg. you won't see :ffff:ipv4 addresses in netstat any more)
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• 3348[20:45:20] <jelly> DammitJim: and it requires a reboot to be safe
• 3349[20:45:41] <teraflops> scream: disabling ipv6 might break things
• 3350[20:45:57] <DammitJim> greycat, no, I felt like I needed to make the change, but then I have to go through this long drawn process of getting approval to do it since it is a change to so many systems
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• 3352[20:46:03] <jelly> (if you do it the sysctl way, that is... if you do it with kernel parameter, then it requires a reboot for obvious reason)
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• 3354[20:46:18] <teraflops> so if you dont need it dont use it, just dont blindly disable it
• 3355[20:46:32] <jelly> DammitJim: that's a very good reason to make them fix their thing, too
• 3356[20:46:32] * greycat votes "leave it the hell alone"
• 3357[20:46:40] <DammitJim> I'm with jelly and teraflops ... I'll keep it to myself and just make a note
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• 3359[20:47:02] <scream> then set up ip6tables ;)
• 3360[20:47:03] <jelly> "introduces changes and downtime to prod systems"
• 3361[20:47:05] <DammitJim> but I wanted to at least talk to knowledgeable people about this before making that decision
• 3362[20:47:12] <DammitJim> (not that you guys are knowledgeable)
• 3363[20:47:15] <DammitJim> if that's a word...
• 3364[20:47:18] <jelly> heh
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• 3366[20:47:30] <greycat> It's a word because people use it as one.
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• 3368[20:48:34] <DammitJim> I think knowledgeable resolves to fe80::250:56ff:fead:a71
• 3369[20:48:35] <DammitJim> LOL
• 3370[20:48:41] <teraflops> xD
• 3371[20:48:59] <jelly> link local knowledge doesn't get you far
• 3372[20:49:08] * jelly hides
• 3373[20:49:11] <greycat> Know thyself?
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• 3375[20:49:57] * jelly has NAT66 at work and loves mentioning it to make the 'v6 purists squirm
• 3376[20:50:06] <doublehp> teraflops: FYI, I have already found a bug in the installer. once more. And once again, it's around mkfs. Last time, it was mkfs default behaviour changed by author, but not notified to the Hurd team, so, my disk ended up with features that could not be handlede bu the Hurd kernel. Today, it's about how partman launches mkfs, when partition already contains stuff. And I tend to think I also hold a bug either around the whole debian installaiton p
• 3377[20:50:18] <doublehp> teraflops: not staying here; gotta go back to my machine
• 3378[20:50:47] <jelly> doublehp: what does Hurd have to do with anything?
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• 3380[20:51:15] <doublehp> jelly: fact I find bugs in debian installer each time i use it; second mkfs bug i find
• 3381[20:51:21] <jelly> oh, it's an unrelated issue
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• 3385[20:51:35] <jelly> doublehp: I hope you report them!
• 3386[20:51:55] <doublehp> jelly: will depends if they have fixed the bugs I previously reported ...
• 3387[20:52:08] <teraflops> doublehp: every time you talk to me my confusion arises. no offense it's just i really have no idea what are you doing
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• 3391[20:52:37] <DammitJim> man, so I installed debian on a machine for my 9 y/o
• 3392[20:52:57] <DammitJim> he was confused about why he needs to use a terminal to run the python console
• 3393[20:53:07] <google77> apparently otter-browser has unsatisfied dependencies on testing
• 3394[20:53:13] <doublehp> terr1: jelly I have taken pictures ... i will proove it in a few days, when machine boots correctly.
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• 3396[20:53:20] <DammitJim> there is no python console I can have him run directly on the desktop, right?
• 3397[20:53:26] * doublehp away
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• 3399[20:53:38] <DammitJim> LOL... he also freaked out because typing Python on the terminal said command not found
• 3400[20:53:39] <jhutchins> DammitJim: You can make a shortcut that launches it.
• 3401[20:53:40] <teraflops> doublehp: hurd? you didn't mention it till now
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• 3407[20:55:30] <jelly> DammitJim: time for a "case is important" lesson
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• 3409[20:56:03] <DammitJim> yeah, and I learned that I have to do that in the morning
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• 3413[20:56:43] <DammitJim> it was 9pm and my wife pointed out that my son was too tired at that time of the day to learn something like that (I think I give him too much of a hard time for not being a good speller)
• 3414[20:57:09] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Spell check has taught me more spelling than school ever did.
• 3415[20:57:45] <DammitJim> that's probably because you want to avoid having to press Fix so many times next time
• 3416[20:57:59] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Yep.
• 3417[20:58:01] <DammitJim> some people grow to just take the little bit of pain (i.e. my wife)
• 3418[20:58:02] <DammitJim> LOL
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• 3420[20:58:10] <DammitJim> ok, I should stop talking bad about my family
• 3421[20:58:26] <DammitJim> God knows I am horrible at many more important things
• 3422[20:58:27] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Learned my multiplication tables by getting tired of entering dimensions for sheet metal. Got easier to enter the answer than the question.
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• 3424[20:58:52] <modwizcode> Lol I never bothered to learn multiplication tables. Was really happy to finish that part of school
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• 3428[20:59:15] <DammitJim> oh... one thing you guys might enjoy
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• 3430[20:59:38] <DammitJim> my son loved typing on the python console: 'Mickey Mouse' * 1000000000
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• 3433[20:59:52] <DammitJim> and see how long it took his Intel i3 machine to print all that
• 3434[20:59:53] <DammitJim> LOL
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• 3436[21:00:45] <jhutchins> I remember doing stuff like that.
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• 3440[21:01:09] <greycat> of course when I was that age it was done in BASIC
• 3441[21:01:18] <greycat> 10 PRINT whatever 20 GOTO 10
• 3442[21:01:54] <DammitJim> actually BASIC seemed more like a scavenger hunt for me
• 3443[21:02:03] <jhutchins> Giant ASCII art of Spock...
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• 3445[21:02:19] <modwizcode> BASIC alwas makes me mad, because doing anything always seemed like so much work
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• 3449[21:03:13] <jhutchins> modwizcode: Like C was any better.
• 3450[21:04:11] <modwizcode> Well I started with c++ and intel 8080 assembly. So...
• 3451[21:04:24] <modwizcode> C is better in that you can manipulate a string in a sane waty
• 3452[21:04:28] <modwizcode> *way
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• 3454[21:04:49] * sypher wrote a rudimentary stream cipher in BASIC. On a TI-83. Loved that.
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• 3461[21:06:23] <modwizcode> Nice
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• 3469[21:09:51] <google77> what's the channel for testing?
• 3470[21:10:09] <greycat> OFTC network, #debian-next
• 3471[21:10:23] <google77> thx
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• 3475[21:11:46] <google77> why not on freenode?
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• 3477[21:12:06] <greycat> !oftc move
• 3478[21:12:06] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
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• 3483[21:13:10] <deb> no more freenode in the near future?
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• 3486[21:13:47] <greycat> They moved in 2006 and we're still here in 2016.
• 3487[21:14:11] <deb> no worries
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• 3489[21:15:04] <google77> ok, the only question I have is, does apt-listbugs work automatically with apt?
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• 3494[21:16:54] <notthistime> debian stable. package ufw not found
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• 3497[21:16:59] <notthistime> any ideas?
• 3498[21:17:03] <greycat> ,v ufw
• 3499[21:17:04] <judd> Package: ufw on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.29.3-1; wheezy: 0.31.1-2; jessie: 0.33-2; stretch: 0.35-2; sid: 0.35-2
• 3500[21:17:11] <greycat> Says it's there.
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• 3502[21:17:27] <notthistime> not on mine
• 3503[21:17:31] <notthistime> i do an apt-get
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• 3505[21:17:39] <notthistime> not listed in synaptic
• 3506[21:17:41] <google77> ,v qtbase-abi
• 3507[21:17:42] <judd> No package named 'qtbase-abi' was found in amd64.
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• 3509[21:17:53] <sm00th> hey guys , the installer doesn't have a reinstall grub option anymore?
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• 3512[21:18:04] <google77> ,v libhunspell
• 3513[21:18:05] <judd> No package named 'libhunspell' was found in amd64.
• 3514[21:18:20] <sm00th> I guess my best bet is to download a live cd?
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• 3516[21:18:42] <mtn> sm00th: yes it does
• 3517[21:18:56] <sm00th> mtn, I didn't see the option. I have the kde iso
• 3518[21:18:57] <mtn> sm00th: under Advanced Options, I believe
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• 3521[21:19:10] <sm00th> I went to advanced but i only see expert mode and recovery mode
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• 3525[21:19:25] <sm00th> let me double check
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• 3529[21:20:11] <doublehp> teraflops: system booted.
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• 3531[21:20:38] <fdizile> Anyone know how I can request a hostmask?
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• 3534[21:20:50] <jhutchins> sm00th: recovery woul dbe useful.
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• 3536[21:21:13] <jhutchins> fdizile: Not something you can usually request, what are you actually trying to do?
• 3537[21:21:15] <sm00th> jhutchins, i'll try that never used that mode before
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• 3539[21:21:23] <Deep_Thought> Hi, how can I log the messages that are printed when shuting down my pc?
• 3540[21:21:24] <jhutchins> fdizile: Oh, you mean like a freenode cloak?
• 3541[21:21:25] <sm00th> it says rescue mode
• 3542[21:21:28] <scream> fdizile, ask one of the sysops
• 3543[21:21:39] <Deep_Thought> I've googled my question but I didn't find a relevant answer
• 3544[21:21:39] <notthistime> gonna have to stick with ubuntu then
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• 3547[21:22:01] <fdizile> jhutchins: yes
• 3548[21:22:15] <jhutchins> Deep_Thought: There is <bootlog>, but I'm not sure it covers shutdown.
• 3549[21:22:20] <jhutchins> fdizile: /j freenode
• 3550[21:22:32] <fdizile> jhutchins: Thanks!
• 3551[21:22:44] <jhutchins> fdizile: I thought you were asking about a netmask...
• 3552[21:23:02] <Deep_Thought> jhutchins: I've checked it only logs booting
• 3553[21:23:11] <fdizile> jhutchins: Haha, my bad. Should've been clearer.
• 3554[21:23:52] <Deep_Thought> My root problem is that when shutdown I have weird message like 'failed to desactivate swap' but I don't have the time to read
• 3555[21:24:09] <Deep_Thought> This message aperas since yersteday, did'nt see it before
• 3556[21:24:36] <sm00th> mtn, oh ya if you go into rescure mode then hit escape or go back to its main menu there is the option there to install grub
• 3557[21:24:56] <sm00th> I think my problem might be worse though cause actually on boot grub just says there is no os installed lmao
• 3558[21:24:57] <mtn> sm00th: glad you found it
• 3559[21:25:03] <sm00th> wonder if my boot partition is gone now
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• 3562[21:25:42] <sm00th> dam and when I go to rescue mode, i'm typing in the passphrase for the root volume, but its not continuing or accepting it
• 3563[21:26:15] <sm00th> it keeps telling me to enter it :(
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• 3568[21:28:20] <Miesco> Hi. I installed 'nvidia-driver' and it installed a bunch of packages with an 'A' flag. How come when I remove nvidia-driver it doesn't remove all those other packages?
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• 3573[21:30:33] <doublehp> is this safe ? replaced-url
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• 3576[21:32:00] <doublehp> will it reinstall it later ?
• 3577[21:32:26] <google77> it did for me today
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• 3589[21:35:29] <sm00th> does debian have something similar to ubuntu boot-repair?
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• 3594[21:36:46] <doublehp> how do I allow root ssh login ? "PermitRootLogin yes" does not work anymore
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• 3596[21:37:00] <greycat> Did you remember to restart sshd after editing?
• 3597[21:37:18] <jelly> dpkg, tell doublehp about basic apt troubleshooting
• 3598[21:37:45] <jelly> doublehp: if you want help with apt, show _all_ the information dpkg tells you about
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• 3601[21:38:13] <jelly> not just E: lines
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• 3604[21:38:38] <sm00th> lol my whole system is borked
• 3605[21:39:49] <doublehp> where is now defined the runlevel, and CtrlAltSup action ?
• 3606[21:40:23] <greycat> systemd doesn't have runlevels. It has "targets", which are sets of services that should be started en masse.
• 3607[21:40:23] <jhutchins> doublehp: runlevels weren't really meaningful in Debian, now even less meaningful with systemd.
• 3608[21:40:26] <spectie> .kernel
• 3609[21:40:31] <spectie> hmm
• 3610[21:40:45] <greycat> spectie: /msg judd kernels
• 3611[21:40:46] <spectie> babilen, could you paste that thing about what kernel versions there are again ?
• 3612[21:40:51] <spectie> aha thanks :)
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• 3615[21:41:12] <jhutchins> doublehp: PermitRootLogin works fine here on <=jessie.
• 3616[21:41:25] <spectie> ok, so i need a stretch installer
• 3617[21:41:34] <jhutchins> spectie: No such thing.
• 3618[21:41:39] <spectie> :(
• 3619[21:41:49] <spectie> is there a way to get an installer with a 4.x series kernel ?
• 3620[21:42:07] <spectie> jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2);
• 3621[21:42:19] <jhutchins> spectie: Why not start with that and upgrade?
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• 3623[21:42:35] <spectie> jhutchins, it doesn't recognise my sdd
• 3624[21:42:39] <spectie> so i can't install
• 3625[21:42:53] <spectie> :/
• 3626[21:43:16] <jelly> spectie: does any other linux see it?
• 3627[21:43:37] <spectie> i haven't tried, i'm only interested in installing debian :)
• 3628[21:43:45] <spectie> i've seen reports that it works with kernel 4.x
• 3629[21:43:57] <spectie> e.g. replaced-url
• 3630[21:44:26] <greycat> I've never used a solid state drive yet... are they somehow *different* from regular SATA hard drives?
• 3631[21:44:36] <greycat> Do they not simply plug into an SATA controller with a standard cable?
• 3632[21:44:42] <spectie> no cable
• 3633[21:44:46] <spectie> it's like a ram connector
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• 3635[21:45:00] <spectie> and it's not a SATA controller, it's a 'NVMe' controller
• 3636[21:45:01] <doublehp> jhutchins: my bad, put it at the wrong place
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• 3638[21:45:20] <spectie> (i don't know what that means really, but the upshot is that linux 3.x doesn't support it)
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• 3647[21:48:40] <Serialbox> spectie: yeah I'm on a newer kernel to support my pcie nvme
• 3648[21:48:51] <Serialbox> 4.6.1 right now
• 3649[21:49:01] <greycat> Serialbox: but you installed on a regular hard drive...?
• 3650[21:49:19] <Serialbox> well it shows up as a different device /dev/nvme0n1p2 on /boot
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• 3652[21:49:34] <spectie> Serialbox, which installer did you use ?
• 3653[21:49:37] <Serialbox> it's just sickeningly fast
• 3654[21:49:42] <Serialbox> spectie: stretch
• 3655[21:49:57] <Serialbox> My windows 10 VM in virtualbox boots up in under 2seconds
• 3656[21:50:17] <spectie> hmm
• 3657[21:50:23] <spectie> <spectie> ok, so i need a stretch installer
• 3658[21:50:23] <spectie> <jhutchins> spectie: No such thing.
• 3659[21:50:31] <Serialbox> err :)
• 3660[21:50:35] <Serialbox> I dunno how I got this installed then
• 3661[21:50:51] <greycat> There is such a thing of course, but it's in alpha status and not supported here.
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• 3663[21:51:12] <Serialbox> stretch has been perfectly stable for my desktop workload, so... I dunno
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• 3665[21:51:27] <spectie> greycat, ooh
• 3666[21:51:31] <spectie> greycat, where can i find it ?
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• 3668[21:51:48] <greycat> /msg dpkg d-i
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• 3670[21:52:05] <Serialbox> replaced-url
• 3671[21:52:06] <greycat> /msg dpkg g-i
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• 3673[21:52:19] <greycat> oops, that was supposed to be without the other /
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• 3676[21:53:43] <spectie> ah, custom cd
• 3677[21:53:48] <spectie> that's unlikely to work on mac :(
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• 3681[21:54:57] <CarlFK> how do I tell where this installed to? (guesses welcome...) odroid@odroid64:~$ sudo apt install linux-headers-3.14.65-70
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• 3683[21:55:13] <greycat> CarlFK: dpkg -L pkgname | less
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• 3688[21:57:25] <CarlFK> greycat: /usr/src/linux-headers-3.14.65-70 thanks!
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• 3704[22:07:46] <sm00th> so windows 10 destroyed my encrypted debian partition.
• 3705[22:07:54] <sm00th> upgrading from win 7. wow.... thats like criminal
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• 3710[22:08:25] <jhutchins> sm00th: Did anyone ever mention backups?
• 3711[22:08:26] <doublehp> sm00th: that's frequent
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• 3714[22:08:48] <sm00th> I had nothing worth backing up in debian.
• 3715[22:08:53] <jhutchins> sm00th: THat's a pretty basic violation though. How did it destroy the partition?
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• 3717[22:09:04] <sm00th> its just amazing what MS is getting away with these days.
• 3718[22:09:20] <greycat> As opposed to all the other days in the past?
• 3719[22:09:23] <sm00th> i really hope the mobile market is a complete flop for them, and more business start using linux solutions.
• 3720[22:09:26] <jhutchins> sm00th: They haven't gotten away with anything on my systems since 2004.
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• 3722[22:09:32] <doublehp> sm00th: whenever Windows installer sees unknown (non Microsoft) partitions, it will often break them, even if they are partitions above #4; and even more frequently if they are primary
• 3723[22:09:45] <sm00th> jhutchins, well every since 3 months before they stopped selling win 7 retail.
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• 3725[22:10:00] <sm00th> the latest was purposely destroying secure boot for win 7 users on asus mobos.
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• 3727[22:10:10] <sm00th> but ya the partitionjust says free space.
• 3728[22:10:14] <sm00th> i'm in shock.
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• 3730[22:10:16] <jhutchins> doublehp, sm00th Please define "break", "destroy".
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• 3732[22:10:40] <sm00th> jhutchins, grub said it didn't exist no more. so i thought maybe it was reordered by windows.
• 3733[22:10:47] <doublehp> jhutchins: usually, just removes the partition from the table, or change the type; rarely overwrite content
• 3734[22:10:51] <sm00th> but now looking in partition manager on install disk. it jus says its free space.
• 3735[22:10:53] <greycat> "just says free space" sounds like it removed the partition without actually clobbering the data
• 3736[22:11:03] <sm00th> my other partitions are there though from another os.
• 3737[22:11:08] <jhutchins> If it just re-wrote the partition table, you should be able to restore the entry and recover it.
• 3738[22:11:09] <sm00th> it only destroyed the debian root partition.
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• 3740[22:11:23] <sm00th> jhutchins, how do I do that?
• 3741[22:11:29] <greycat> If that guess is correct, then you should be able to recreate the partition using the exact same size/start/end and it should be there. Maybe. If you're lucky.
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• 3743[22:11:35] <jhutchins> sm00th: Again, "destroyed" is not technically specific.
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• 3745[22:11:57] <jhutchins> sm00th: Yep, just "create" a partition with the same boundaries.
• 3746[22:12:15] <doublehp> jhutchins: often, it may just write a few bytes at the beginning of the partition; so, the FS is corrupted, but fixable in many cases (if the file system has a copy of table at end of part)
• 3747[22:12:34] <greycat> Gotta second the recommendation that you back up everything before doing a Windows "upgrade".
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• 3750[22:12:58] <doublehp> jhutchins: i had various cases; just saying sometimes it's fixable
• 3751[22:13:03] <sm00th> I guess it only destroyed that debian partition and not the others, cause it needed that space for its upgrade.
• 3752[22:13:10] <jhutchins> Given that there is ample evidence of involuntary 10 upgrades breaking rather badly...
• 3753[22:13:13] <sm00th> but still...wow.
• 3754[22:13:31] <sm00th> jhutchins, ya i only did it cause i needed to run this software that only works with win 10
• 3755[22:13:36] <sm00th> but man, wish i hadn't bothered.
• 3756[22:13:52] <sm00th> MS has been so criminal past 2 years.
• 3757[22:13:55] <simonlnu> mine went ok, even messing with the partiotn table type (legacy MBR to GPT)
• 3758[22:14:01] <greycat> Type. You meant 32 years, right?
• 3759[22:14:07] <greycat> Typo*
• 3760[22:14:09] <greycat> Damn it :(
• 3761[22:14:14] <simonlnu> partition*. but i know windows enough to fool it
• 3762[22:14:27] <jhutchins> sm00th: I haven't actually needed to run any windows software since I converted. I've been able to find Linux programs that did the job, often better.
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• 3764[22:14:42] <sm00th> jhtuchins this is a program for a piece of hardware
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• 3766[22:14:55] <sm00th> it only works on android, ios, or windows 10.
• 3767[22:15:00] <sm00th> this is life now, pisses me off.
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• 3770[22:16:21] <simonlnu> my real work is in linux. windows i just use it to play certain games :P
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• 3773[22:17:18] <sm00th> simonlnu, welli'm fine just plaing some steam games like cs:go or dota 2.
• 3774[22:17:26] <doublehp> windows shall be installed only in emulators (xen or virtualbox) (any way, it runs faster in an emu than in physical machine)
• 3775[22:17:42] <simonlnu> if you have the ram, sure
• 3776[22:17:44] <sm00th> yes i have win 7 on a hypervisor in another machine.
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• 3779[22:18:01] <sm00th> I still needed win 10 though, didn't foresee this happening at all.
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• 3781[22:18:04] <sm00th> I should of known better.
• 3782[22:18:16] <sm00th> I mean what company purposely breaks the secure boot on users machines. simply because they have not upgraded lol
• 3783[22:18:19] <sm00th> criminals.
• 3784[22:19:16] <simonlnu> laziness
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• 3798[22:23:49] <sm00th> simonlnu, no they came out and said they did it on purpose. cause they said they don't support win 7 anymore
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• 3800[22:23:57] <sm00th> asus should be ashamed of themselves too
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• 3803[22:24:45] <brimonk> sm00th: I think literally all problems would be moot if m$soft would actually support file systems that the rest of the world uses. If they did that, their OS probably wouldn't go out destroying ext4 partitions and whatnot.
• 3804[22:24:55] <brimonk> sm00th: What did Asus do?
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• 3811[22:25:56] <sm00th> brimonk, well I'm not sure really, but Microsoft said they broke secure boot on win 7 users. cause they don't support win 7 anymore.
• 3812[22:26:05] <sm00th> imo, there was no reason to do that. it affected nothing. and neededno support.
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• 3814[22:26:13] <brimonk> sm00th: But they have to support it until 2019...
• 3815[22:26:22] <sm00th> ya ain that interesting?
• 3816[22:26:27] <sm00th> and why only asus boards?
• 3817[22:26:39] <sm00th> well maybe only asus boards had the keys for win 7. not sure...
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• 3821[22:26:54] <brimonk> sm00th: Interesting... Probably because asus is still technically a small player in the giant scope of the public buying computers.
• 3822[22:27:14] <sm00th> brimonk, I didn't even know win 7 had secure boot. so maybe they were one of the first to support it for ms.
• 3823[22:27:17] <brimonk> sm00th: My mother had never heard of asus, but when she bought me my first own computer, I got a shit-tastic HP thing.
• 3824[22:27:29] <sm00th> lol
• 3825[22:27:30] <brimonk> sm00th: I don't think it's an operating system feature.
• 3826[22:27:37] <Lady_Aleena> !tell Lady_Aleena sources
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• 3828[22:27:41] <brimonk> sm00th: Like, I'm pretty sure that the mobo does all of the work.
• 3829[22:27:47] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: /msg dpkg sources.list
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• 3834[22:28:43] <jhutchins> brimonk: Wouldn't it be surprizing to discover that Asus actually made components for HP and Dell.
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• 3837[22:29:01] <brimonk> jhutchins: It would. And I wouldn't doubt it either.
• 3838[22:29:17] <brimonk> jhutchins: Their motherboards blow literally all of the competition out of the water.
• 3839[22:29:43] <sm00th> brimonk, they are popular. They have alot of big brother stuff in them it always seems like.
• 3840[22:29:54] <jhutchins> sm00th: As far as fixing the partition table: parted or fdisk or whatever you use, define a new partition in the same space.
• 3841[22:30:11] <sm00th> jhutchins, oh ok so then i will lose data on it.
• 3842[22:30:12] <jhutchins> sm00th: You'll probably need to reboot.
• 3843[22:30:15] <sm00th> so I can't just do a reinstall to it?
• 3844[22:30:26] <brimonk> sm00th: Yeah, but as a consumer, if you were presented with buying an HP board, or an ASUS board, which would you choose?
• 3845[22:30:36] <sm00th> brimonk, ya good point lol
• 3846[22:30:54] <jhutchins> sm00th: IF you get the partition boundaries right (the starting point is the most critical), the data should all be there and you might just be able to mount it.
• 3847[22:30:59] <sm00th> I built a pc recently a few months ago for my family.
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• 3849[22:31:09] <jhutchins> sm00th: It depends on what the MS upgrade actually did to the sytem.
• 3850[22:31:17] <sm00th> I went all out on the powersupply haha
• 3851[22:32:00] <jhutchins> brimonk: You'll notice that you don't see HP/Dell components much. RAID controllers occasionally, but not MBs or video or such.
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• 3853[22:32:13] <sm00th> its always the psu imo that is the worst in them.
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• 3855[22:32:39] <brimonk> sm00th: But, they're like $60. Only recently my $50 psu died after 2 years.
• 3856[22:32:41] <sm00th> I got my mother a 80 plus gold certified one lol
• 3857[22:32:44] <sm00th> from evga
• 3858[22:32:49] <brimonk> sm00th: Not worth it IMO.
• 3859[22:32:50] <sm00th> i paid 100 for it.
• 3860[22:32:58] <brimonk> sm00th: That's a little steep for me.
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• 3862[22:33:01] <sm00th> well imo, its very worth it haha
• 3863[22:33:04] <sm00th> well i got it on sale
• 3864[22:33:06] <jhutchins> There really aren't any desktop components that are unique to HP or Dell.
• 3865[22:33:12] <sm00th> that was retail price but I only paid like 70 I think.
• 3866[22:33:12] <jhutchins> Servers, yes.
• 3867[22:33:21] <sm00th> thats what guy at the store thought I wanted it for lmao
• 3868[22:33:29] <sm00th> but we have all gone through psu's like water.
• 3869[22:33:31] <sm00th> literall.
• 3870[22:33:39] <brimonk> sm00th: Tru dat
• 3871[22:33:40] <sm00th> no matter which one i fkn buy. so i said screw it gonna get a nice one this time.
• 3872[22:33:43] <jhutchins> We are straying off topic here though, if we wish to discuss hardware we should go to #debian-offtopic.
• 3873[22:33:53] <sm00th> i want to build her a nice one to last a while.
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• 3876[22:33:59] <sm00th> got her a samsung ssd
• 3877[22:34:04] <jhutchins> sm00th: Please.
• 3878[22:34:06] <sm00th> i'm jealous of her pc much better then mine
• 3879[22:34:07] <brimonk> What even is the question here? I actually missed it.
• 3880[22:34:21] <sm00th> brimonk, i need to recover a debian partition
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• 3882[22:34:51] <sm00th> jhutchins, so I use a live cd?
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• 3884[22:35:04] <brimonk> sm00th: Is the hardware failing, or did windows fuck it up?
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• 3886[22:35:11] <simonlnu> sm00th: (replying to what you said to me earlier) yeah, but deleting partitions they don't (want to) recognise is irresponsible and potentially criminal.
• 3887[22:35:25] <jhutchins> sm00th: THat should work.
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• 3889[22:35:45] <simonlnu> causing data loss and willfully ignoring it is typical of them, but very wrong IMO.
• 3890[22:35:48] <sm00th> simonlnu, i thik what happens is when they need extra space for their upgarde, they take it fromthe next available partition.
• 3891[22:35:52] <sm00th> it also created an extra partition.
• 3892[22:36:00] <sm00th> still is criminal imo.
• 3893[22:36:15] <sm00th> simonlnu, well can you imagine having win 7 with secure boot. and then one day it don't boot.
• 3894[22:36:26] <brimonk> sm00th: What do you/your mother need to use windows for?
• 3895[22:36:37] <sm00th> because MS broke it for no reason at all. i meanthey had to make an effort, and only cause people still using win 7.
• 3896[22:36:46] <sm00th> brimonk, my mother doesn't use windows
• 3897[22:36:46] <simonlnu> sm00th: well, see that's why i re-did the partitions myself. even created that useless "system partition" they're so in love with (waste of 250 MB).
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• 3900[22:37:02] <sm00th> brimonk, she uses fedora and debian. i forcedher haha
• 3901[22:37:09] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, I added "deb replaced-url
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• 3903[22:37:37] <sm00th> simonlnu, she uses qubes-os with all her important stuff in debian vms.
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• 3905[22:37:49] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: Did you ... install -t jessie-backports ... ?
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• 3907[22:38:00] <towo`> Lady_Aleena, nothing will updated automagic from backports
• 3908[22:38:05] <simonlnu> sm00th: i had to create an ESP (for UEFI) so i was already in there moving stuff around
• 3909[22:38:17] <simonlnu> sm00th: ok
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• 3912[22:38:25] <sm00th> simonlnu, thismachine i was trying to upgrade, is mine. only has legacy boot no efi.
• 3913[22:38:48] <sm00th> thats what happened i think it stoll about 500mb from the debian partition.
• 3914[22:38:50] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, no. dpkg didn't say anything like that. Let me check the other messages again.
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• 3916[22:39:11] <jhutchins> sm00th: If it actually used the space and overwrote data, you've lost it.
• 3917[22:39:28] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: You will find those directions on the backports web page.
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• 3919[22:39:37] <sm00th> jhutchins, ya 471.9mb to be exact.
• 3920[22:39:44] <brimonk> sm00th: If you have the disk space, it would be pretty handy to have just a dd image of the disk that you can play with.
• 3921[22:39:45] <sm00th> Ithink. i could be wrong gonna boot up this live usb
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• 3923[22:39:55] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: You have to specify backports as the source for a specific package, only that package and dependencies will be pulled from backports.
• 3924[22:40:14] <sm00th> or maybe that was the boot partition i was using for debian. b ut it says ntfs now.
• 3925[22:40:44] <jhutchins> You really would expect it to ask you before reallocating storage, but a lot of people don't read the actual messages before they click Next/OK.
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• 3927[22:41:03] <sm00th> jhutchins, it doesn't ask anything.
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• 3929[22:41:17] <sm00th> MS has become very criminal lately.
• 3930[22:41:25] <Lady_Aleena> So, I would do "sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install libreoffice" or do I need more than that?
• 3931[22:41:38] <brimonk> sm00th: It sounds like you're SOL...
• 3932[22:41:49] <sm00th> and whats crazy is they will publicly acknowledge these things as if nothing is wrong with their actions.
• 3933[22:42:27] <brimonk> sm00th: What else are you gonna go to the store and buy? A mac? They still own the public market.
• 3934[22:42:38] <brimonk> sm00th: And no purchasable alternative is much better.
• 3935[22:42:45] <sm00th> brimonk, no way man. i'd rather build my own pc and put debian on it.
• 3936[22:43:12] <doublehp> after submitting a bug, shouldn't I receive a confirmation ? how long does it take ?
• 3937[22:43:49] <sm00th> brimonk, after buying he first ipod for like 400 dollars i vowed never to buy anoher apple product in my life. I makin this vow now today about never supporting MS again.
• 3938[22:44:03] <sm00th> brimonk, apple is a jailed pc.
• 3939[22:44:45] <brimonk> sm00th: Cool. But you only came about that conclusion by being ripped off as a consumer, and you only know about where else to turn for your computing because you're (probably) interested at least a little bit about computers.
• 3940[22:45:06] <sm00th> brimonk, true.
• 3941[22:45:07] <brimonk> sm00th: My mother could care less. She literally just wants her computer to work, but she still needs an iPod for work.
• 3942[22:45:09] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: that will install the newer libreoffice from jessie-backports. And is all you will need to do
• 3943[22:45:10] * doublehp never bought any Apple of product; only one Microsoft keyboard, and a forced sell of XP with a laptop ...
• 3944[22:45:15] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: you can add -s (--dry-run) option to any apt command and see what it would do
• 3945[22:45:17] <brimonk> sm00th: So, because I'm the computer person, I make it work.
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• 3947[22:45:22] <sm00th> brimonk, ya my other was pissed I woudln't give her windows at first. lol
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• 3949[22:45:25] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, thanks.
• 3950[22:45:34] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, I already began running it.
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• 3952[22:45:43] <sm00th> brimonk, but she has an offline win in a vm for her greeting card program and adobe photoshop.
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• 3954[22:46:08] <sm00th> otherthen that she don't even need windows. she know how to do her own maintenance on qubes now.
• 3955[22:46:18] <somiaj> doublehp: I'm unsure on how long it will take. I would check the BTS in a few hours if you didn't get a conformation. How did you submit the bug? With report bug? What did you use as your MTA?
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• 3957[22:46:28] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: and I'm sure you can make note of this factoid for future use
• 3958[22:46:38] <doublehp> somiaj: thunderbird
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• 3963[22:47:45] <somiaj> doublehp: okay, just wanted to double check you were using a valid SMTP client as some isp's don't allow people to send mail from their own computer. But I'm assuming you have thunderbird configured just fine so I would just check the BTS if you don't hear anything.
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• 3965[22:48:22] <doublehp> somiaj: ok
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• 3982[22:57:14] <Lady_Aleena> I'm sorry for wasting your time, it looks like even the newer LibreOffice Base is incapable of opening a MS Access database without voodoo.
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• 3987[22:58:46] <brimonk> Lady_Aleena: I would start googling around for tools to convert it into something that libreoffice base can use. (That's what I would do anyways)
• 3988[22:59:05] <greycat> or convert it to a mysqlite file, or something...
• 3989[22:59:12] <greycat> err, s/my//
• 3990[23:00:05] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I don't have the fu.
• 3991[23:00:05] <somiaj> ,v mdbtools
• 3992[23:00:06] <judd> Package: mdbtools on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.5.99.0.6pre1.0.20051109-7; wheezy: 0.7-1+deb7u2; jessie: 0.7.1-2; stretch: 0.7.1-4; sid: 0.7.1-4
• 3993[23:00:43] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I found a link that suggest that package contains command line tools to convert the database to something readable in linux. replaced-url
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• 3995[23:01:15] <Serialbox> Lady_Aleena: Have you tried the libreoffice out of jessie-backports?
• 3996[23:01:25] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, greycat, brimonk: right now I am too upset to think straight.
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• 3998[23:01:57] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: there is also Kexi that seem to be able to read it, but these are tools that will convert the database to something you can use. They may not be the best for editing the database without changing its format.
• 3999[23:01:59] <Lady_Aleena> Serialbox, I just updated using the jessie-backports from 4.3.3.2 to 5.1.3.2 and still no opening the MS Access file.
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• 4002[23:02:17] <somiaj> ,v kexi
• 4003[23:02:18] <judd> Package: kexi on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.2.1-4; wheezy: 1:2.4.4-3; jessie: 1:2.8.5+dfsg-1+b2
• 4004[23:02:22] <Serialbox> Lady_Aleena: I guess so much for my advice :(
• 4005[23:02:35] <Lady_Aleena> Serialbox, don't worry about it.
• 4006[23:02:35] <somiaj> hmm kexi is in jessie, wonder why they stoped supporting it though.
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• 4008[23:02:56] <Lady_Aleena> I will just have to tell the guy who sent me the MS Access file I can't read it without voodoo.
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• 4010[23:03:17] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I would give Kexi a try before you give up
• 4011[23:03:37] <Lady_Aleena> Hold please, kitten on desk alert
• 4012[23:03:39] <somiaj> It is supose to be an opensource alternative to ms access, and might be able to read it
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• 4035[23:22:21] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: THere are probably different versions of Access, earlier versions might work (and you can usually save to earlier versions in MS).
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• 4037[23:22:53] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: it might be worthwhile consulting the LO docs for what versions and what options it can handle.
• 4038[23:23:48] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, this was buried deep within the Google results "The answer is that opening MDB files from LO on Linux isn't currently possible." So I wasted your (plural) time.
• 4039[23:24:49] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: One of the dark secrets of MS is that even different versions of Access sometimes can't open each other's files.
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• 4044[23:25:20] <jhutchins> Kindof like how no two installations of Word will render the same document exactly the same.
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• 4046[23:27:19] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I just tried Kexi, no luck.
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• 4048[23:27:38] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, I just feel bad for wasting your valuable time.
• 4049[23:27:45] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: Access has ways to export to various formats, find one you can agree on.
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• 4051[23:29:05] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, I'm wishing for csv.
• 4052[23:29:19] <Lady_Aleena> And the dryer is beeping at me.
• 4053[23:29:20] <jhutchins> ,v libreoffice
• 4054[23:29:21] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u3; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u4; jessie-backports: 1:5.1.3-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1:5.1.4~rc2-2; stretch: 1:5.1.4~rc2-2; experimental: 1:5.2.0~rc1-1
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• 4057[23:29:49] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: csv is probably not capable of a full database. THere are access formats that LO base can import.
• 4058[23:29:51] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, I just updated to the jessie-backports 5.1.3
• 4059[23:30:07] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: I take it you have 5.x installed?
• 4060[23:30:20] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, I'm not thinking for LO, I'm thinking for writing perl scripts to deal with the data.
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• 4062[23:30:27] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, yes.
• 4063[23:30:43] <Serialbox> Lady_Aleena: I was recently shamed into using python instead of perl by my coworkers :)
• 4064[23:31:00] <Lady_Aleena> Serialbox, I don't have that pressure at home.
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• 4066[23:31:10] <Lady_Aleena> Serialbox, and why did you cave?
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• 4068[23:31:23] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: Connecting to an MDB Database: replaced-url
• 4069[23:31:26] * Lady_Aleena loves perl.
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• 4071[23:31:37] <Serialbox> I dunno, honestly it doesn't really make that big of a difference to me. I think mostly because I wanted them to be able to maintain/understand/alter rather than bothering me
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• 4073[23:31:47] <danxor> How can I install skype on debian jessie?
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• 4075[23:31:50] <Serialbox> I use to be a perl die hard though, and the performance argument people make is bullshit
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• 4077[23:32:00] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, those instructions are specific to WINDOWS.
• 4078[23:32:02] <danxor> I tried replaced-url
• 4079[23:32:05] <Serialbox> algorithms are what make things fast, not constant time language choices
• 4080[23:32:29] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
• 4081[23:32:33] <Lady_Aleena> And guys, I will be back in about 10 minutes. I need to fold the sheets before they wrinkle.
• 4082[23:32:34] <Guest53755> Serialbox: Compiling down to a binary is what makes things fast, Kappa
• 4083[23:32:44] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: Don't fold the kitten in.
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• 4085[23:33:04] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, tempting.
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• 4094[23:40:03] <danxor> I installed it but I get a "failed to execute child process: no such file or directory" when I try to open it
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• 4096[23:40:44] <Guest53755> danxor: You're trying to use skype on NOT windows?
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• 4099[23:41:01] <brimonk> danxor: It's not worth it.
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• 4105[23:43:04] <danxor> Yeah some of my family members use it, so I'd like to get it on debian
• 4106[23:43:53] <brimonk> danxor: I was under the impression that microsoft wasn't keen on making it work anymore.
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• 4108[23:44:12] <danxor> I doubt I can get my mom to use debian, she already has enough troubles using windows hahah
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• 4111[23:45:09] <brimonk> danxor: I think you misunderstood. There was a bit of a ruffle online, but it basically came down to microsoft not supporting linux anymore. Like, not just not supporting, but they won't fix the current problems that exist.
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• 4115[23:46:00] <danxor> you mean microsoft not supporting skype anymore?
• 4116[23:46:01] <tristero> How can I wait for udev rules associated with a device to be finished? (Other than a hack like sleeping for a few seconds.)
• 4117[23:46:06] <brimonk> danxor: Not on linux.
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• 4119[23:46:15] <damo22> how come /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.9/libstdc++.a when searching for -lstdc++ when i use -m32
• 4120[23:46:24] <brimonk> danxor: But, that's the last thing that I heard. That may have been changed at some point.
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• 4122[23:46:42] <damo22> how do i link to libstdc++ for 32 bit on multiarch?
• 4123[23:47:16] <damo22> LDFLAGS=-m32 and CXXFLAGS=-m32
• 4124[23:47:33] <brimonk> danxor: I don't want to tell you that it's impossible, but I'm telling you that about a month ago, a few people couldn't make it work, and made a petition to get m$soft to fix it.
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• 4126[23:48:59] <danxor> hey I solved it, lucky shot. Woohoo, it's working
• 4127[23:49:20] <brimonk> danxor: Nice!
• 4128[23:49:53] <brimonk> danxor: If you had to do anything particularly special, I'd document it and stick it up somewhere online simply because apparently skype is a bitch to use.
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• 4131[23:50:51] <danxor> Alright, will do
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• 4144[23:58:18] <kiril> guys, with who i have to talk for updating a package?
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