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47 [00:19:16] <capum321> hello
48 [00:19:17] <capum321> I am trying to compile mono-addins package. get this error replaced-url
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51 [00:22:05] <capum321> this package replaced-url
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63 [00:25:44] <zykotick9> ^ show of hands, who thinks this is debian related? <- totally REHTORICAL!
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70 [00:29:10] <capum321> zykotick9: what a sharp tongue you snake
71 [00:29:43] <capum321> I could not find help on main stream
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84 [00:34:07] <oty> hey
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86 [00:34:50] <oty> I accidentaly uninstalled packages that was needed for smplayer to decode some video. How could I get the history of last deleted packages ?
87 [00:34:59] <oty> I did not use apt-get to do so
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91 [00:36:00] <oty> (so no history available)
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93 [00:37:28] <xingu> oty: /var/log/dpkg.log?
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98 [00:38:40] <oty> thanks
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115 [00:46:07] <somiaj> oty: both apt-get and dpkg have a log in /var/log
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160 [01:16:26] <incal> I have a USB printer installed with CUPS and it seems to check out but when I print it stalls: "printer laser is idle. enabled since Tue 21 Jun 2016 01:14:56 CEST
161 [01:16:26] <incal> Sending data to printer."
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210 [01:36:40] <frainfreeze> Hey guys. I have dotfiles in /root/dotfiles ; how can I move them to root and overwrite automagically?
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212 [01:36:53] <frainfreeze> Tried seaching online but can t find solution that works.
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218 [01:39:35] <mimtf> i installed vnc server, but i got message like this : oh no! something has gone wrong A problem has occurred and the system can’t recover. plz log out and try again
219 [01:39:38] <mimtf> what’s wrong?
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288 [02:25:01] <jmcnaught> mimtf: if you are in the GNOME desktop, you didn't need to install anything. There is a VNC screen sharing feature built into GNOME. It's in the "sharing" section of the settings program. KDE probably also has something similar
289 [02:25:26] <markybob> yeah i told them that several hours ago
290 [02:26:00] <mimtf> how i can know i m using GNOME desktop?
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292 [02:26:32] <mimtf> jmcnaught:
293 [02:26:43] <frainfreeze> mimtf, ddg.gg or google.com
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300 [02:28:40] <jmcnaught> mimtf: if you click on the top-right corner of your screen, is there a menu drop-down? Does it have a circular icon with tools at the bottom left?
301 [02:28:44] <ljl227> I added backports to my sources list to install 0ad some time ago. A couple weeks later aptitude upgraded libreoffice from backports. Today it's trying to upgrade my kernel from backports. I have a dementia type condition that's making it hard to sort through. I posted my sources list and apt-cache policy: replaced-url
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303 [02:29:47] <mimtf> vnc is not work on debian lol
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305 [02:30:17] <markybob> certaintly not when you don't listen to several people
306 [02:30:53] <jmcnaught> ljl227: what does it do if you use "aptitude upgrade" or "apt-get upgrade"? Also please show "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64"
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308 [02:32:34] <jmcnaught> mimtf: it does work, and in GNOME (which is what you're probably using if you didn't choose a specific desktop environment during the installer) all you need to do is enable it in the settings
309 [02:32:57] <mimtf> Oh no! something has gone wrong Aproblem has occured and the system can’t recover .....
310 [02:33:01] <markybob> yeah he was told how
311 [02:33:12] <incal> can't install Samsung M202x laser printer - found the ULD v1.00.35 but says printer laser is idle. enabled since Tue 21 Jun 2016 02:14:04 CEST File "/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertospl" not available: No such file or directory
312 [02:33:17] <mimtf> i do setting
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314 [02:33:33] <jmcnaught> mimtf: sounds like you're still trying to use vncserver or something else for some reason
315 [02:33:50] <mimtf> but it don’t work at all
316 [02:34:02] <markybob> that's why you were told to use vino
317 [02:34:15] <mimtf> sharing —> screen sharing : Active
318 [02:34:19] <mimtf> but it don’t work
319 [02:34:21] <mimtf> at all
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322 [02:35:13] <ljl227> jmcnaught: replaced-url
323 [02:35:17] <jmcnaught> mimtf: if you turn it off in the settings, does the same thing happen when you try to connect?
324 [02:35:36] <mimtf> i must reoot computer?
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328 [02:35:57] <markybob> restart gnome anyway. not the computer
329 [02:35:59] <jmcnaught> ljl227: thanks. it looks like you're already using a kernel from jessie-backports, and a new version is available so that it why it wants to upgrade
330 [02:36:15] <jmcnaught> mimtf: no just deactivate screensharing in the GNOME settings
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333 [02:36:52] <jmcnaught> mimtf: turning it off in GNOME settings will disable it right away. it even has per-network settings, so VNC is only enabled on certain networks
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337 [02:38:23] <jmcnaught> ljl227: jessie comes with linux 3.16. maybe you started using a newer kernel from jessie-backports for some newer hardware that you needed support for?
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339 [02:38:43] <ljl227> yeah I see that with the apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64. My sources list looks okay?
340 [02:38:54] <mimtf> it don’t work
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344 [02:40:30] <jmcnaught> ljl227: it looks okay to me. you may want to add "contrib non-free" after "main" on the security line (line #5 of your replaced-url
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346 [02:40:46] <jmcnaught> security updates for contrib and non-free probably don't happen very often though
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349 [02:41:50] <jmcnaught> mimtf: what happened? when you disabled screensharing in GNOME did the same "oops" error happen as before?
350 [02:42:17] <jmcnaught> mimtf: trying to help you determine what software that error is coming from. i suspect you have multiple VNC servers competing with each other
351 [02:42:19] <mimtf> disable again?
352 [02:42:34] <mimtf> ok wait
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354 [02:42:42] <ljl227> jmcnaught: Okay, thanks, sorry to bother you for something so simple.
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356 [02:43:50] <jmcnaught> ljl227: no problem at all. it's better to ask first than to need to fix things later :)
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359 [02:46:41] <mimtf> Make sure Screen Sharing or Remote Management (in the Sharing section of System Preferences) is enabled on the remote computer. <— jmcnaught
360 [02:46:50] <mimtf> i turn off it
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365 [02:48:29] <markybob> yeah. that's exactly what he and everyone else told you to do
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367 [02:48:31] <jmcnaught> mimtf: it would be nice to know if you're in GNOME or something like like KDE. if you can't describe your screen maybe you could take a screenshot. Pressing the PrtSc button on your keyboard will probably do something like put a screenshot in the Pictures directory
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370 [02:49:42] <mimtf> jmcnaught: give me installing vnc link
371 [02:49:50] <mimtf> on debian
372 [02:50:20] <jmcnaught> mimtf: if you're running GNOME or KDE there should be nothing to install. To get help you need to answer questions and provide information :)
373 [02:50:57] <jmcnaught> I think that you have already installed something(s) and those things could be interfering with the VNC support that works out of the box on GNOME in Debian
374 [02:52:37] <mimtf> replaced-url
375 [02:52:41] <mimtf> jmcnaught:
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377 [02:53:37] <jmcnaught> mimtf: so that is definitely GNOME. Earlier did you install anything VNC related?
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382 [02:54:10] <mimtf> i just install tightvncserver only
383 [02:54:15] <jmmm> So I just installed Debian 8 Jessie. During install I choose manual configuration of IP addresses. When I boot I get "network is unreachable" when using ping. It appears that the static IP configuration is lost. Do I have to manually reconfigure static IPs?
384 [02:54:16] <aedinius> anyone have hbogo stop working?
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386 [02:54:36] <mimtf> i just install tightvncserver only jmcnaught
387 [02:55:00] <markybob> mimtf: i told you not to.
388 [02:55:12] <mimtf> markybob: what?
389 [02:55:39] <markybob> i told you not to. vino was all you needed
390 [02:55:52] <mimtf> vino?
391 [02:55:54] <mimtf> what is vino?
392 [02:56:05] <markybob> yeah. that's gnome's built in vnc. i told you
393 [02:56:31] <jmcnaught> mimtf: i don't know tightvncserver but its package doesn't seem to configure anything to start at boot. Did you configure something to make it start at boot?
394 [02:56:31] <mimtf> then i don’t need to install tightvncserver?
395 [02:56:47] <markybob> no.
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400 [02:57:50] <markybob> this is what's so frustrating. i have to say everything twice
401 [02:57:53] <mimtf> i didn’t nothing
402 [02:58:07] <jmcnaught> mimtf: by the way, is your Debian installed on a computer, or in a virtual machine?
403 [02:58:08] <mimtf> i don’t anything
404 [02:58:17] <mimtf> vmmachine
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407 [02:58:48] <sm00th> when I edit a wiki page, am I supposed to put a commetn?
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413 [03:00:51] <jmcnaught> sm00th: a comment will help other editors know what was changed without having to look at the diff
414 [03:01:13] <sm00th> ok I will remember for next time
415 [03:01:53] <jmcnaught> sm00th: there's a page with links to editing guidelines and what not: replaced-url
416 [03:01:56] <mimtf> i can’t access debian without installing vncserver markybob there is no preinstalled vncserver
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418 [03:03:10] <sm00th> tks
419 [03:03:20] <jmcnaught> mimtf: seems like you can access it fine using the virtual console of your virtualization software
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425 [03:07:07] <jmcnaught> mimtf: when you attempt to connect, the screen on your Debian system should a pop-up from the bottom of the screen asking for permission
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428 [03:07:37] <jmcnaught> mimtf: you can disable this by configuring a password. Keep in mind that VNC is not encrypted traffic
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445 [03:16:29] <aedinius> grr. it plays the "hbo: tv-ma" sequence, but then just hangs at the actual start of playing. it used to work, no idea what changed
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448 [03:17:22] <sm00th> aedinius, what you trying to do?
449 [03:17:34] <sm00th> for hbogo, you need HAL and flash for firefox.
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453 [03:18:38] <aedinius> hm.
454 [03:18:43] * aedinius downgrades back to non-pepperflash
455 [03:18:59] <sm00th> oh i never got it working on chromium/chrome
456 [03:19:02] <sm00th> only on firefox
457 [03:19:06] <aedinius> I could've sworn it was working with chrome
458 [03:19:11] <sm00th> it might of
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460 [03:19:23] <sm00th> they keep changing their site. on my old 10 year old laptop, I still play it from my isp'
461 [03:19:26] <sm00th> s site.
462 [03:19:34] <sm00th> instead of directly from hbogo, or else its choppy
463 [03:19:53] <sm00th> cause the cpu is too old...
464 [03:19:57] <aedinius> i wonder if my isp does that
465 [03:20:19] <sm00th> check it out. my isp used to do that for alot of sites, now most of the sites force you/redirects you tot heir own site.
466 [03:20:28] <sm00th> and they are getting way too bloated lol
467 [03:20:54] <sm00th> pisses me off android tablets get more support then desktop pc's.
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469 [03:22:07] <aedinius> wtf. "We see you are out of your home. Your full line-up will be available when you're back at home."
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471 [03:22:19] <sm00th> what said that?
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474 [03:23:01] <aedinius> my isp
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476 [03:23:19] <sm00th> so some channels you don't get cause of that?
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478 [03:23:51] <aedinius> apparently.
479 [03:23:56] <sm00th> lame
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482 [03:24:44] <sm00th> hmm now i'm wondering how do we even install hal on debian jessie?
483 [03:25:12] <sm00th> the packages is only in wheezy
484 [03:25:23] <aedinius> it's been gone for a while
485 [03:25:40] <sm00th> I know its deprecated, but they should have a way to install it no?
486 [03:25:58] <sm00th> in ubuntu i use a ppa, and in arch i use the aur. how do we go about getting it in debian jessie?
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491 [03:27:11] <sm00th> aedinius, here are the packages, is there a download button somewhere? replaced-url
492 [03:27:31] <sm00th> oh I see on the bottom
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496 [03:28:34] <aedinius> that's just the tarballs
497 [03:28:40] <sm00th> ya i just noticed
498 [03:28:52] <sm00th> how to get a .deb?
499 [03:28:58] <aedinius> i have libhal1-flash installed
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501 [03:29:16] <sm00th> oh did that do it?
502 [03:29:18] <aedinius> nope
503 [03:29:30] <themill> hal?
504 [03:29:49] <sm00th> aedinius, you can see what the guy said at the end of this thread?
505 [03:29:52] <sm00th> but how do you install them?
506 [03:30:18] <sm00th> helps if I link the thread replaced-url
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508 [03:31:08] <somiaj> sm00th, aedinius: You can get the .deb for the package by scrolling down and selecting which arch you want.
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510 [03:33:17] <sm00th> aedinius, ya i've done the pipelight thing too and it just doesn't play nearly as well as regular flash and hal.
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516 [03:36:29] <aedinius> Grr. I wish I had brought an extra charger, I'd just throw it up on the chromecast
517 [03:36:51] <sm00th> lol
518 [03:37:07] <sm00th> still not working?
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522 [03:38:21] <aedinius> Nope.
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524 [03:38:51] <sm00th> you installed hal and flash?
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527 [03:41:30] <aedinius> yeah
528 [03:41:37] <somiaj> installing hal in jessie may take some work and compling custom packages. Trying to get hulu to work? I haven't seen an easy solution for jessie.
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530 [03:41:53] <sm00th> somiaj, can't you just use the wheezy .deb files?
531 [03:42:53] <sm00th> I haven't tried on debian yet. I've done it on lubuntu and arch. install hal from a ppa or the aur.
532 [03:43:13] <somiaj> sm00th: maybe, it may take a bit more work than that since I think it needs to talk to the kernel
533 [03:43:27] <sm00th> hal, flash and firefox. never got chrome to play hbgo.
534 [03:43:47] <sm00th> somiaj, hmm
535 [03:44:11] <somiaj> it could be possible, but the state of the packages and what they do in jessie is unknown.
536 [03:44:17] <sm00th> somiaj, a guy in this thread said he got amazon prime working that way replaced-url
537 [03:44:31] <mimtf> i installed vnc server on ubuntu successfully, but i failed on debian. lol
538 [03:45:07] <sm00th> oh but thats crunchbang not actually debian hmm
539 [03:45:09] <aedinius> whoa wait what
540 [03:45:22] <aedinius> started randomly working in firefo
541 [03:45:27] <sm00th> there ya go man
542 [03:45:30] <sm00th> phew
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544 [03:45:34] <aedinius> but not smoothly :(
545 [03:45:41] <sm00th> choppy?
546 [03:45:52] <aedinius> very
547 [03:45:53] <somiaj> sm00th: yea I've seen various mentions of it and someone set up a ubuntu ppa, I'm just giving a warning that the packages could have some unforseen issues.
548 [03:45:55] <sm00th> and your isp don't provide a way to play it?
549 [03:46:07] <aedinius> no
550 [03:46:11] <sm00th> without going directly to hbogo? dam.
551 [03:46:25] <aedinius> so it worked when I played with the position slider
552 [03:46:32] <sm00th> weird
553 [03:46:37] <sm00th> maybe you have to clear cache
554 [03:46:40] <aedinius> even in chrome it shows the thumbnails
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556 [03:48:47] <aedinius> hm. nope.
557 [03:49:04] <aedinius> fine. i'll try and catch it tomorrow on air
558 [03:49:09] <sm00th> aedinius, what happened?
559 [03:49:37] <sm00th> what if you delete the adobe flash cache folder?
560 [03:50:08] <sm00th> i think .macromedia/Flash_Player/#SharedObjects
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562 [03:50:44] <sm00th> wait
563 [03:50:52] <sm00th> cd ~/.adobe/Flash_Player
564 [03:50:57] <sm00th> rm -rf NativeCache AssetCache APSPrivateData2
565 [03:51:09] <aedinius> nope
566 [03:51:24] <aedinius> it is getting close to bed anyway
567 [03:51:34] <sm00th> ah well sorry man
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569 [03:52:01] <aedinius> it's cool. it's the only thing i can't get to work anymore. just frustrating
570 [03:52:05] <mimtf> i don’t understand why ubunt only can install vncserver?
571 [03:52:09] <somiaj> sm00th: there is a chance it will work, so if one really wants I would try it, but I personally woudln't do it (though I watch hulu on my tv, not computer)
572 [03:52:31] <sm00th> somiaj, I do it on lubuntu and manjaro xfce
573 [03:52:36] <sm00th> haven't tried on my debian kde install yet.
574 [03:52:43] <sm00th> I don't see why it wouldln't work though.
575 [03:53:18] <sm00th> ya no point on this machine cause I got the tv right here lol
576 [03:53:32] <sm00th> I do it on the laptops
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578 [03:53:53] <aedinius> I'm in a hotel
579 [03:54:03] <sm00th> oh, that could be why man
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583 [03:54:14] <sm00th> maybe they got sketchy wifi. or are you using your own?
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585 [03:54:21] <aedinius> nah, i'm tethered to my phone right now
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588 [03:54:45] <sm00th> does that work? i can imagine that nto playing that well.
589 [03:54:45] <glassres1stor> so I successfully restored my machine and everything seems to be working but gstreamer
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593 [03:55:04] <aedinius> tethering to phone?
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595 [03:55:12] <glassres1stor> im using jessie and jessie-backports for my intel graphics drivers and my kernel
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597 [03:55:18] <sm00th> aedinius, ya i mean what kind of speeds you get?
598 [03:55:37] <sm00th> hbgo normally auto adjusts quality, though I dunno.
599 [03:55:48] <glassres1stor> for some reason gstreamer is failing with an error related to libva
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601 [03:56:10] <sm00th> glassres1stor, whats the exact error?
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603 [03:56:20] <glassres1stor> sm00th: replaced-url
604 [03:56:23] * aedinius does a speedtest
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608 [03:57:28] <aedinius> sm00th: about 8mbps symmetric here in the room
609 [03:57:40] <sm00th> oh thats great.
610 [03:57:45] <sm00th> i mean should be good enough
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612 [03:57:53] <aedinius> that's slow, i usually get 50ish :)
613 [03:57:57] <sm00th> oh
614 [03:57:59] <aedinius> depending on where
615 [03:57:59] <sm00th> lol
616 [03:58:02] <mimtf> i don’t understand why ubunt only can install vncserver except debian?
617 [03:58:09] <aedinius> but hotel looks to be about 3mbps
618 [03:58:12] <sm00th> well i mean hd is probably a nogo.
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621 [03:58:28] <sm00th> hbgo usually good at autoadjusting. does the quality look good or bad when you play. it should really be downgraded
622 [03:58:31] <glassres1stor> sm00th: whats where is that doesn't look like an error
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624 [03:58:42] <sm00th> glassres1stor, i'm not sure thats an error
625 [03:58:55] <sm00th> glassres1stor, are you playing a movie or mp3 or something that aint playing right?
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628 [03:59:35] <glassres1stor> sm00th: all of the videos play fine all the way through with VLC player and played before I migrated the system
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630 [04:00:03] <glassres1stor> sm00th: i've got a feeling itsv a issue between gstreamer and the amd backports kernel
631 [04:00:30] <glassres1stor> is there a verbose mode? --verbose and -vvv failed and man doesnt help
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633 [04:01:28] <glassres1stor> sm00th: mplayer works also
634 [04:01:40] <glassres1stor> which i think uses gstreamer, does it?
635 [04:02:00] <somiaj> what graphics driver is xorg using? Check your Xorg.0.log file to ensure it isn't just using software acceleration
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637 [04:02:29] <glassres1stor> somiaj: im using the intel driver from jessie-backports
638 [04:03:41] <somiaj> and it is sucesfully loading and the kms module is loaded? I woudl just double check these things.
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640 [04:04:00] <unkmar> Anyone know where the File associations of pcmanfm are?
641 [04:04:19] <glassres1stor> somiaj: this is the driver xserver-xorg-video-intel
642 [04:04:22] <glassres1stor> somiaj: kms?
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644 [04:05:29] <somiaj> that is just a package, and no the kms module is in the kernel. If you would read though the Xorg.0.log you would ensure everything is loading correctly
645 [04:06:29] <glassres1stor> somiaj: what should i look for?
646 [04:06:54] <somiaj> what video driver is loaded, if the intel video driver is loaded does it correctly load the kms setting, you could alos just paste the log
647 [04:07:03] <somiaj> at paste.debian.net
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649 [04:07:35] <glassres1stor> somiaj: i mean I can game and use 4k monitors so i assume
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652 [04:08:23] <somiaj> okay then. You can also check the output of xvinfo and glxinfo for additional stuff about video
653 [04:08:36] <somiaj> but if you are sure everything is loaded just fine no need to check, just stateing what I would do
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656 [04:10:04] <glassres1stor> so i found this line [ 29.875] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms
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662 [04:12:42] <somiaj> glassres1stor: I don't see anything thatstands out
663 [04:12:45] <glassres1stor> somiaj: so xvinfo says about of stuff about opengl and glx
664 [04:13:49] <somiaj> well I don't see what could be causing the lag, I just like to double check all the drivers are detected and load correctly
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666 [04:14:14] <mimtf> debian and ubunt are almost same?
667 [04:14:14] <glassres1stor> somiaj: here is glxinfo and xvinfo replaced-url
668 [04:14:32] <glassres1stor> somiaj: its not a lag its just not playing at all
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670 [04:14:36] <glassres1stor> and errors
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672 [04:15:26] <glassres1stor> somiaj: its just a white screen and those libva lines
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674 [04:15:43] <somiaj> mimtf: No, they have drifted into their own thing. They do share a common set of packages but each has different policy, configuration, scripts so they are not that much the same.
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676 [04:16:17] <somiaj> glassres1stor: I might have missed the original problem. This is on jessie and you are using what software to play the video?
677 [04:16:33] <somiaj> mimtf: also each has different versions that get used for what is considered a 'release'
678 [04:16:37] <glassres1stor> somiaj: im on jessie and jessie-backports for kernel and video software
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681 [04:16:52] <mimtf> somiaj: then what is better?
682 [04:17:05] <glassres1stor> somiaj: im using vlc,mplayer,totem and all but totem works but totem gives me a white screen and that text
683 [04:17:15] <somiaj> mimtf: personal opinion and choice. Many here will say debian of course, but that is because that is the choice we made.
684 [04:17:45] <somiaj> mimtf: so it is just totem that is having trouble and other software works fine? Is it something with libav vs mmpeg?
685 [04:17:50] <somiaj> sor fmpeg
686 [04:17:55] <mimtf> i installed vnc on ubuntu, but i failed on debian.
687 [04:18:12] <bipul> Hi i need a help, I am running a script in sudo user, but there is package required normal user execution. here at option 4 "wp core download" replaced-url
688 [04:18:23] <mimtf> so i m very disappointed with debian
689 [04:18:29] <mimtf> today
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691 [04:18:38] <bipul> So how to deal with such situation?
692 [04:18:58] <somiaj> mimtf: what failed? Are you using some documation or guide to explain what needs to be done to configure vnc. What actual vnc server did you use?
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696 [04:19:35] <mimtf> tightvncserver
697 [04:19:52] <somiaj> mimtf: I assume the package isntalled just fine and it is a configuration issue?
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699 [04:20:10] <somiaj> bipul: well if you are root, just use su to run a command as the user you want.
700 [04:20:12] <aedinius> people still use vnc?
701 [04:20:37] <mimtf> it is good to use only one linux? somiaj ?
702 [04:20:39] <bipul> somiaj, I tried with sudo -u USER but failed to download
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704 [04:20:47] <mimtf> instead of many linux?
705 [04:21:00] <somiaj> mimtf: again this depends on choice, what your needs and likes are.
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707 [04:21:10] <mimtf> OK
708 [04:21:12] <mimtf> thanks
709 [04:21:15] <somiaj> mimtf: some use various different distros for different things, other like me stick to debian.
710 [04:21:43] <somiaj> bipul: do you tell it what path to download to, such that it can be written to by the user in question?
711 [04:21:55] <aedinius> i use several ditros. main box and lappy are debian. work is rhel. other lappy is void. it's all depends.
712 [04:21:59] <aedinius> distros*
713 [04:22:11] <bipul> somiaj, Yes but i tried with those option but not working
714 [04:22:15] <somiaj> yea $DAYJOB can also pick what version you use.
715 [04:22:22] <somiaj> bipul: then I can't think what the issue could be
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717 [04:22:37] <somiaj> bipul: note I have not read though your script.
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719 [04:23:17] <aedinius> though between epel/nux/elrepo/etc my work lappy is far, far from standard.
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721 [04:25:00] <bipul> somiaj, That is the issue displaying replaced-url
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725 [04:26:56] <lkthomas> anyone using daemontools ?
726 [04:27:16] <aedinius> on windows, yes.
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728 [04:27:47] <lkthomas> NO!
729 [04:27:54] <lkthomas> not the same thing, even the name is similar
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731 [04:28:10] <aedinius> Good, becaues they'd be pretty silly on Linux :)
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735 [04:30:25] <aedinius> So at some point I brought a version of my volume control script to this laptop, but never set it up. i don't think i ever updated it for pulseaudio either, since i recently updated it
736 [04:30:32] <aedinius> s/updated/adopted/
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738 [04:31:08] <aedinius> I don't think I would have, but 1) spotify requires it 2) it makes using hdmi output easier
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740 [04:32:22] <somiaj> lkthomas: if you have a question about daemontools you should ask. Though with jessie and systemd, you can just use systemd with a unit file.
741 [04:32:42] <aedinius> oooooh that daemontools.
742 [04:32:46] <lkthomas> somiaj, I don't want to join in the fight between systemd, upstart, init.d ...etc
743 [04:32:51] <lkthomas> we want it to be portable
744 [04:33:01] <aedinius> por que no los dos?
745 [04:33:12] <aedinius> or tres, or whatever
746 [04:33:16] <lkthomas> does daemontools still reliable? it haven't been develop since 14 years ago, LOL
747 [04:33:31] <somiaj> lkthomas: that is fine, systemd is comadable with init.d scripts and daemontools.
748 [04:33:40] <aedinius> okay, my point is: it shouldn't be hard to build for systemd/upstart/runit/etc.
749 [04:33:58] <somiaj> lkthomas: well what are you needing it for? Do you want more than an init.d script that actually mointors your service?
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751 [04:34:11] <lkthomas> yes, and restart when service die
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755 [04:35:34] <sobeit> Ss
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758 [04:35:53] <somiaj> lkthomas: I don't use it, but assume it still works just fine. There are very few bugs in the BTS, but it is still in debian so it should be working just fine on debian systems.
759 [04:36:22] <somiaj> lkthomas: I am unsure of any issues with it working with systemd, but I assume once systemd starts the init.d script it will be just happy passing control to daemon-tools
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762 [04:36:56] <lkthomas> yep
763 [04:37:00] <lkthomas> that's what happen in my lab :)
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766 [04:38:17] <somiaj> I am personally happy with systemd init part and how it manages/monintors services, so if all the systems you are porting it too have systemd, it is another option (just as a suggestion because I don't know what systems you are wanting to be portable too)
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768 [04:38:36] <somiaj> but everything I see makes me think daemontools will work just fine.
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771 [04:39:31] <lkthomas> thanks :)
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774 [04:40:04] <lkthomas> stupid question, when I do su - user -c "abc", how come it will spawn out another su process ?
775 [04:40:18] <sobeit> Hi. When i am running "wpa_passphrase [SSID] >> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [mypassword!word]" (without " and []) i got this:" bash: !word: event not found". How can i "insert" password normally? I was trying to type it directly in.. conf file but it also generates encryption key. Does encryption key depend from passphrase?
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777 [04:40:23] <lkthomas> is there have a more direct way to execute command without spawn out another su process ?
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781 [04:40:50] <somiaj> lkthomas: the dash means it runs a full login shell, does ti do the same thing without the dash? (su user -c "abc")
782 [04:41:58] <somiaj> sobeit: putting quote around "[mypass!word]" shoudl keep bash from interurping the ! in the shell, you can also escape it, \~
783 [04:42:02] <somiaj> sobeit: \!
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789 [04:43:23] <lkthomas> somiaj, hang on, let me test it
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792 [04:44:21] <unkmar> random frustration words.
793 [04:44:37] <sobeit> somiaj, i tried this "". It doesnt work
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796 [04:44:50] <lkthomas> it still spawn out su process
797 [04:44:55] <lkthomas> root 24937 0.0 0.0 94140 2176 ? S 10:44 0:00 su tlau -c /usr/bin/memcached -vvv -m 64
798 [04:44:56] <lkthomas> tlau 24944 0.0 0.0 316960 1212 ? Ssl 10:44 0:00 /usr/bin/memcached -vvv -m 64
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800 [04:45:48] <somiaj> lkthomas: ahh, I was thinking it might be the full login shell, now I'm thinking it is spanwing a process because it runs the command as its own process owned by the new user (and not the old process)
801 [04:45:53] <sobeit> somiaj, how should i type it? mypass\!word?
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803 [04:46:31] <somiaj> sobeit: that seems correct, that should escape the ! and send it to the program (thus bash won't try to intrupit it using shell syntax)
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806 [04:47:34] <sobeit> somiaj, yes, now it is "bash: syntax error near unexpected token '-1'
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808 [04:47:44] <sobeit> What should i do now?
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810 [04:48:30] <abrotman> use a ' not a "
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812 [04:48:50] * somiaj always gets which quote to use confused.
813 [04:49:20] <tripkin> Hello, I am switching to php-fpm and mod_proxy_fcgi and trying to follow the directions at replaced-url
814 [04:49:20] <tripkin> two files? Can anyone help?
815 [04:49:27] <sobeit> abrotman, you talking with mee?
816 [04:49:32] <abrotman> sobeit: yes
817 [04:49:45] <abrotman> no need to escape it, just use single quotes instead of double quotes
818 [04:50:10] <sobeit> What, how it will look with : my!pass(-1)?
819 [04:50:28] <sobeit> abrotman
820 [04:50:45] <abrotman> sobeit: 'my!pass(-1)?'
821 [04:50:54] * abrotman isn't sure if the question mark was part of the password or not
822 [04:51:09] <sobeit> Ok, will try
823 [04:51:17] <abrotman> sobeit: ! expands to history .. using it in the command makes wonky things happen
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825 [04:51:58] <sobeit> abrotman, somiaj, thank you very much! Debian community rules!
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827 [04:52:31] <sobeit> abrotman, you always helping. I remember you
828 [04:53:24] <abrotman> Good luck
829 [04:53:42] <unkmar> I'm wanting to connect to a virtual fb X instead of the real X using x11vnc. Suggestions?
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839 [05:02:39] <Smeef> do you folks field raspian questions?
840 [05:03:06] <Smeef> i'm getting the error message "script 'RemoteKeypadDriver.sh' missing LSB tags and overrides" when i try to install a driver
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842 [05:03:45] <Smeef> any thoughts on a work around?
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844 [05:05:01] <dvs> !raspian
845 [05:05:01] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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873 [05:29:53] <sobeit> abrotman, another stupid question from noob: i typed a command (for example, wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf). It worked. But i cannot now go to command line. How to go back to command line.?
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877 [05:31:55] <sobeit> abrotman, sorry, ctrl+\. I will interrupt you with questuons that i can solve by myself
878 [05:32:05] <sobeit> Will not*
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979 [06:51:48] <WormFood> How do I determine what dns servers have been handed out by the dhcp server, without requesting a new dhcp lease? (don't suggest looking at /etc/resolv.conf, because dhcp does not update that on my system...this is my choice, it's not a mistake)
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984 [06:55:15] <mutante> WormFood: tcpdump while looking something up?
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986 [06:57:07] <mutante> either udp or host -T to use tcp instead of udp ..
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998 [07:01:59] <WormFood> mutante, that'd just tell me what my dns servers are set to, in resolv.conf, not actually what the dhcp server is handing out
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1001 [07:03:20] <WormFood> I'm wondering if maybe the response from the dhcp server is maybe cached somewhere.
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1003 [07:03:33] <WormFood> That information is not in the log files.
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1010 [07:08:54] <mutante> WormFood: then tcpdump on the dhcp server ?
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1014 [07:12:38] <WormFood> mutante, I don't have control over the dhcp server.
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1016 [07:12:56] <WormFood> If I did, I could just look in the config files, and see what it's configured to hand out to the clients.
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1020 [07:13:53] <mutante> WormFood: why cant you see what it is handing out on the client side?
1021 [07:14:19] <WormFood> Because it doesn't record that information in the log files.
1022 [07:14:38] <mutante> hence watching the incoming packets
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1025 [07:15:24] <WormFood> Which would require me to get a new lease from the dhcp server, and chaning my IP address. Which is what I was trying to avoid.
1026 [07:15:32] <WormFood> changing*
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1031 [07:16:35] <WormFood> Which, leads me back around to my original question. I was very clear and precise, and your solutions does not match what I'm looking for.
1032 [07:16:53] <WormFood> I suspect that information is cached somewhere.
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1037 [07:18:33] <mutante> no idea, if you dont change resolv.conf and dont log anything and dont believe they are using what it handed to them
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1039 [07:18:47] <mutante> i dont know
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1042 [07:20:27] <WormFood> I know what I'm doing with my network configuration. I'm just looking for a specific piece of information.
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1045 [07:22:50] <WormFood> actually, I'm wrong about it using dhcp. I'm thinking of the wrong interface. Actually it's using pppoe.
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1061 [07:32:44] <rueda> how can I mount a fs and make it read and write for a normal user
1062 [07:32:55] <rueda> I used nosuid,users,rw and it doesn't work
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1073 [07:49:18] <rnd> try adding auto
1074 [07:49:21] <rnd> to auto mount
1075 [07:49:30] <rnd> auto,user,rw
1076 [07:50:37] <rueda> ohh
1077 [07:50:44] <rueda> user or users
1078 [07:51:26] <rnd> believe me i do not know
1079 [07:51:27] <rnd> lol
1080 [07:51:30] <rnd> check wikipedia
1081 [07:51:31] <rueda> wow
1082 [07:51:43] <rnd> i think its user
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1084 [07:51:55] <rueda> k
1085 [07:52:03] <Agiofws> Hello
1086 [07:53:06] <Agiofws> Installing Debian system dir on an ssd and home on a classical data HD is capable in Linux or will I run into problems
1087 [07:53:21] <mutante> Agiofws: yea, possible
1088 [07:53:38] <markybob> Agiofws: that's fine
1089 [07:53:40] <mutante> Agiofws: you can mount /home elsewhere..
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1095 [07:59:36] <Agiofws> Is 120gb enough for system files on ssd?
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1097 [08:00:00] <markybob> yes
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1099 [08:00:27] <Agiofws> Will /home on classic hd make the system slower?
1100 [08:00:51] <Agiofws> What file system do I use on ssd and hd?
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1104 [08:02:39] <hexnewbie> Agiofws: I've put /home and / on SSD, /storage on spinning. I want programs to start faster (hence root), and things like browser profile to be fast (hence /home). It highly depends on what you're doing on which fs, though.
1105 [08:03:31] <hexnewbie> I don't know what I'm doing, so I put all filesystems where something happens (i.e. everything but /storage) on SSD
1106 [08:03:47] <jmcnaught> Agiofws: if you use LVM you could use some of the SSD as a cache for the HDD
1107 [08:04:22] <hexnewbie> And yeah, there's dm-cache (now supported by lvmcache too IIRC)
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1110 [08:05:35] <Agiofws> Storage?
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1112 [08:05:48] <hexnewbie> Agiofws: I put photos there.
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1115 [08:07:15] <Agiofws> But say you have many apps like editing video or images even sound is 120gb enough?
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1120 [08:08:26] <hexnewbie> Agiofws: I wouldn't know. Would you keep all the images and videos in /home? If yes, no. Otherwise, you're not required to put everything in /home (or everything that's in /home on the same filesystem for that matter)
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1122 [08:08:42] <jmcnaught> Agiofws: 120GB is more than enough for OS and applications, you could easily have /home on the SSD too like hexnewbie suggests, and put all your large files on the HDD at a different mount point
1123 [08:09:59] <Agiofws> OK thanks 😃
1124 [08:10:02] <jmcnaught> Agiofws: my root filesystem is 20GB, i've used 11GB and i have a lot of stuff installed
1125 [08:10:33] <hexnewbie> Agiofws: I've symlinked /home/username/Photos to /storage/username/Photos, (same for video), and I can happily fit it within my SSD, even the Photos directory is enormous.
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1131 [08:12:52] <hexnewbie> Agiofws: Except for /var, stuff in / is mostly read-only and gets cached once you boot, so it might not be a major speedup if you don't put /home on SSD as well. And even /var is for things like logs and database files, which you probably don't care about if you're editing photots.
1132 [08:13:19] <hexnewbie> Agiofws: So you should make space for both / and /home to see a real advantage.
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1134 [08:15:07] <Agiofws> What is? Ext4
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1169 [08:39:42] <darxmurf> hi all
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1172 [08:42:10] <sumi> hello
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1204 [09:04:49] <harlan_> what's a good way to request that a package be provided for the arm64? It's already built for several other platforms.
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1222 [09:13:37] <themill> harlan_: packages would normally always be built for all architectures. Which package?
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1233 [09:16:19] <sascha> hey, my vnstat isn't updating properly. It's always displaying "not enough data available yet". When I execute `vnstat -u -i eth0` it will show the result for some time, but since vnstatd is still running as well, it will "update" it to become "not enough..." again. any idea?
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1256 [09:25:02] <ouba> hello
1257 [09:25:17] <harlan_> themill: am-utils
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1265 [09:28:20] <Emil> Hi!
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1267 [09:28:57] <Emil> So, on default installation with xfce4
1268 [09:29:13] <Emil> Chromium nor google chrome stick to default browser
1269 [09:29:23] <themill> harlan: the upstream build system apparently can't cope with "aarch64" -- do you know if patches been applied upstream for this?
1270 [09:29:59] <harlan> no idea. I just got the board the other day and am trying to get things up and running on it. My first attempt with debian on arm64
1271 [09:30:18] <themill> harlan: replaced-url
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1273 [09:30:58] <harlan> I'll check that out - thanks!
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1276 [09:31:19] <themill> harlan: you could try autoreconf in there or chat to the porters
1277 [09:31:36] <themill> (#debian-arm on irc.oftc.net)
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1279 [09:32:47] <harlan> thanks - I'll see what I can do. And I may just have to back-burner this or ask somebody else on my team to look at it.
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1299 [09:41:15] <harlan> themill: the sources do list aarch64 already. I might dig a bit :)
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1306 [09:47:37] <babilen> harlan: You typically don't have to enable or disable architectures in your sources.list
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1308 [09:47:50] <babilen> s/or disable// really
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1310 [09:48:25] <hellyeah> morning
1311 [09:48:31] <hellyeah> i am using debian jessie
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1314 [09:48:52] <harlan> babilen: yes, and in this case no pre-built package exists so I'm trying to get it built.
1315 [09:49:00] <hellyeah> is there any known problems with nvidia-driver. When i installed it xserver didnt initialize properly
1316 [09:49:29] <harlan> ls
1317 [09:49:32] <rjsalts> hellyeah: check in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or equivalent
1318 [09:49:55] <babilen> hellyeah: Did you follow the instructions on replaced-url
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1323 [09:51:17] <hellyeah> babilen: yes
1324 [09:51:20] <hellyeah> rjsalts: sec
1325 [09:51:49] <babilen> hellyeah: Which instructions exaclty? Which card do you have (pciid), how did you configure it and which version of the driver did you install?
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1329 [09:52:02] <harlan> and the tarball I downloaded from am-utils.org seems to be building just fine. Strange.
1330 [09:53:02] <hellyeah> rjsalts: replaced-url
1331 [09:53:09] <hellyeah> babilen: my card is nvidia gt425m
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1334 [09:54:12] <babilen> hellyeah: Okay, go on. It would help to know the exact PCIID (lspci -nn|grep -i vga). It also looks as if you are using the nouveau driver still.
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1340 [09:55:37] <rjsalts> hellyeah: yeah, it's complaining that the nv driver isn't installed, I think you need to follow replaced-url
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1344 [09:56:19] <hellyeah> babilen: i turned it to free driver to get x back
1345 [09:56:29] <babilen> hellyeah: Which brings us back to: Which instructions exaclty? [...] how did you configure it and which version of the driver did you install?
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1347 [09:56:44] <hellyeah> well
1348 [09:56:49] <hellyeah> i installed nvidia-driver
1349 [09:56:57] <hellyeah> i enabled non-free and backporth
1350 [09:57:01] <hellyeah> backports
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1352 [09:57:46] <hellyeah> babilen: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF108M [GeForce GT 425M] [10de:0df0] (rev a1)
1353 [09:58:02] <rjsalts> hellyeah: did you reboot so that the nouveau wasn't loaded after the kernel module was installed?
1354 [09:58:03] <babilen> So you installed the nvidia-driver and then enabled backports?
1355 [09:58:08] <babilen> (in that order)
1356 [09:58:18] <babilen> Did you configure the driver and, if so, how?
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1358 [09:59:13] <babilen> Which nvidia-kernel-dkms package version do you have installed? What does "dkms status" show you?
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1367 [10:01:32] <babilen> Could you also show your sources.list ? Did you also enable contrib or just "main" and "non-free" ?
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1370 [10:02:15] <hellyeah> sec
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1372 [10:02:32] <hellyeah> no
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1375 [10:02:48] <hellyeah> i enabled backports before installing nvidia-driver
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1377 [10:02:57] <hellyeah> installed it then reboot then x didnt come
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1380 [10:03:22] <babilen> So you didn't create a configuration file?
1381 [10:03:30] <hellyeah> xorg*
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1383 [10:03:39] <hellyeah> xorg?
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1388 [10:04:37] <hellyeah> replaced-url
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1390 [10:04:43] <hellyeah> this is my sources.list
1391 [10:04:49] <hellyeah> i didnt create any configuration file
1392 [10:05:16] <hellyeah> if i understand correctly installing nvidia-driver is enough. The proceeding operation are carried out automatically
1393 [10:05:26] <babilen> You have to as the nvidia driver won't be used otherwise. Please follow replaced-url
1394 [10:05:49] <hellyeah> okay
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1396 [10:06:10] <babilen> Newer versions of the driver do, indeed, detect it correctly, but that requres your glx alternatives to be setup correctly. I'm also not 100% sure in which version that starts.
1397 [10:06:38] <babilen> You are, presumably, having 352.79 installed right now and "dkms status" shows it as being compiled and everything?
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1407 [10:09:39] <hellyeah> babilen: let me check
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1410 [10:10:02] <hellyeah> nvidia-current, 340.96, 3.16.0-4-amd64, x86_64: installed
1411 [10:10:06] <hellyeah> this is what i have
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1416 [10:12:38] <babilen> Okay, that is *not* the version from backports
1417 [10:13:00] <hellyeah> hmm i just did aptitude install nvidia-driver
1418 [10:13:05] <babilen> (but that version does support your card)
1419 [10:13:27] <hellyeah> non-free is enabled in backports
1420 [10:13:39] <babilen> hellyeah: As documented on replaced-url
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1423 [10:13:56] <hellyeah> ic
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1425 [10:14:04] <hellyeah> let me check
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1427 [10:14:44] <hellyeah> babilen: nvidia-current, 340.96, 3.16.0-4-amd64, x86_64: installed
1428 [10:14:46] <hellyeah> osp
1429 [10:14:50] <babilen> The most important bit is that you create a configuration file though. Please follow the manual method on the wiki.
1430 [10:15:01] <hellyeah> any typo here root@debian:/home/hellyeah# aptitude install nvidia-driver -t jessie-backports E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
1431 [10:15:31] <babilen> You either don't have an entry for jessie-backport in your sources.list or you didn't run "apt update" afterwards.
1432 [10:15:35] <babilen> (after adding it)
1433 [10:16:32] <hellyeah> sec
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1435 [10:17:04] <hellyeah> it will install kernel 4.6.0
1436 [10:17:23] <babilen> You don't have to install that kernel.
1437 [10:17:46] <teraflops> Doesn't it do dkms?
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1440 [10:18:10] <babilen> teraflops: Does what not "do" dkms?
1441 [10:18:36] <teraflops> Nvidia
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1443 [10:18:42] <babilen> Yes, it does
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1446 [10:18:57] <hiya> how to find out the time zone of your debian server using cli?
1447 [10:18:57] <babilen> That still doesn't necessitate an installation of the backported kernel on jessie
1448 [10:19:21] <babilen> You *can* *also* install it and dkms would compile the module for it, but it isn't necessary for the installation of the nvidia module.
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1450 [10:19:36] <babilen> hiya: /etc/timezone
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1452 [10:19:51] <Emil> hiya: using date command
1453 [10:20:00] <teraflops> babilen: That was my point
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1456 [10:21:18] <hiya> Also how to add cron job universal?
1457 [10:21:48] <teraflops> Uniwat?
1458 [10:21:59] <Emil> hiya: date +"%F %T %z"
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1460 [10:22:11] <hiya> teraflops, like system wide cron job?
1461 [10:22:11] <hiya> :D
1462 [10:22:19] <hellyeah> babilen: is there any problem with this installation replaced-url
1463 [10:22:20] <teraflops> Do it as root
1464 [10:22:22] <Emil> hiya: do sudo crontab -e
1465 [10:22:35] <hiya> replaced-url
1466 [10:22:39] <hiya> see in last ^
1467 [10:22:49] <hiya> I did not install sudo?
1468 [10:22:49] <hiya> :(
1469 [10:22:54] <babilen> hiya: I'd recommend to use /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,....}
1470 [10:22:56] <hiya> only type crontab -e?
1471 [10:23:05] <Emil> hiya: then do su and then crontab -e
1472 [10:23:14] <teraflops> Su - then crontab -e
1473 [10:23:19] <teraflops> Heh
1474 [10:23:24] <Emil> teraflops: too slow ; )
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1477 [10:23:31] <teraflops> Yeah
1478 [10:23:40] <babilen> hellyeah: I'd cycle through other options (answer 'n')
1479 [10:24:17] <babilen> hellyeah: That option would remove a bunch of packages you want (unless you don't, but installing them was the whole point)
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1481 [10:24:49] <babilen> hellyeah: But note that you do not *need* the backported version. All you need is a configuration file.
1482 [10:25:04] <hellyeah> btw
1483 [10:25:05] <babilen> You can, obviously, still install it though
1484 [10:25:16] <hellyeah> aptitude dist-upgrade -t jessie-backports work?
1485 [10:25:35] <hiya> how to fix timezone as per server's location? My server is in DE and it is showing UTC-4.00
1486 [10:25:36] <hiya> EDT
1487 [10:25:40] <hellyeah> how can i get that configuration file?_
1488 [10:25:53] <bezaban> tzselect
1489 [10:26:23] <bezaban> oh wait, that just outputs it?
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1491 [10:27:00] <hiya> bezaban, You can make this change permanent for yourself by appending the line
1492 [10:27:01] <hiya> TZ='Europe/Amsterdam'; export TZ
1493 [10:27:13] <hiya> What is this?
1494 [10:27:15] <bezaban> hiya: that's not permanent
1495 [10:27:20] <bezaban> yeah, I was wrong
1496 [10:27:21] <hiya> then?
1497 [10:27:24] <hiya> :(
1498 [10:27:28] <bezaban> it's a dpkg-reconfigure command, 1 sec
1499 [10:27:29] <hiya> How to fix it sir?
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1501 [10:27:33] <hiya> ok
1502 [10:27:35] <hiya> :]
1503 [10:27:38] <bezaban> dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
1504 [10:27:52] <teraflops> Dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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1506 [10:28:42] <hiya> how to list contrab -?
1507 [10:28:44] <bezaban> then again, 'change timezone debian' would have got that for you pretty quickly..
1508 [10:28:47] <hellyeah> i will install nvidia-driver not from backports
1509 [10:29:58] <Emil> replaced-url
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1511 [10:30:03] <babilen> hellyeah: I already linked the instructions on the wiki on how to create a configuration file. Please use the manual method. Running "aptitude dist-upgrade -t jessie-backports" would try to uprade *all* packages for which there are backports. I really wouldn't recommend that.
1512 [10:30:34] <hellyeah> babilen: okay
1513 [10:30:52] <hellyeah> i will follow
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1519 [10:34:00] <hellyeah> babilen: nvidia-xconfig also create x files
1520 [10:34:09] <hellyeah> can i trust that package?
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1522 [10:34:17] <babilen> ....
1523 [10:34:23] <babilen> Use the *manual* method
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1526 [10:34:49] <hellyeah> i just asked okay
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1528 [10:36:08] <hellyeah> some errors here
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1532 [10:38:10] <hellyeah> babilen: replaced-url
1533 [10:39:35] <babilen> It would be quite interesting to know which command you ran
1534 [10:40:23] <babilen> Either way .. I'm off. All you need(ed) (before you broke your install) was to create that configuration file. Now you have to sort out the jessie/jessie-backports mixture. Essentially ensure that all related packages are installed from jessie-backports and configured correctly.
1535 [10:41:04] <babilen> I guess the easiest way is to just purge everything and then follow the instructions in replaced-url
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1537 [10:41:17] <babilen> But upgrading selected packages should work also.
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1539 [10:41:59] <babilen> replaced-url
1540 [10:42:10] <babilen> Either way, I'm off
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1547 [10:45:16] <rysiek|pl> hi all
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1550 [10:45:34] <rysiek|pl> whom could I contact on matters of procedure regarding adding/removing Debian Developers?
1551 [10:45:43] * rysiek|pl is not a DD himself
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1568 [10:51:11] <babilen> rysiek|pl: How formal do you want your contact to be?
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1571 [10:52:34] <rysiek|pl> babilen: query?
1572 [10:52:58] <nwe> hello, I have a problem... when I rebooting my kvm-guest, it wont come back, it wont reboot it, I must manually start it with virsh start <kvm-guest> any idea?
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1576 [10:53:36] <babilen> rysiek|pl: Sure, no problem
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1627 [11:26:11] * antosamalona how to join debian maintener?
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1630 [11:27:34] <antosamalona> I want to contribute to debian project
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1639 [11:31:35] <Wulf> antosamalona: Important lesson to learn is reading documentation
1640 [11:31:56] <Epakai> a maintainer just has upload rights and it's not really the first step to contributing since you need a sponsor familiar with your work first
1641 [11:32:04] <Wulf> antosamalona: replaced-url
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1649 [11:36:17] <Haohmaru> what is this "an error was returned while installing the kernel into the target system" ?!
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1651 [11:37:04] <Haohmaru> i'm trying to install debian 8.5.0 i368 netins and it fails there
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1654 [11:38:32] <Haohmaru> in the other terminal screen i saw some error mentioning a Hash sum mismatch or something similar
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1671 [11:47:48] <talin> Wulf: seawulf!
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1680 [11:53:09] <Wulf> talin: yo
1681 [11:54:04] <antosamalona> Wulf: I have downloaded, thank you!
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1691 [11:55:49] <Wulf> downloaded what?
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1693 [11:57:21] <antosamalona> pdf file, developer-references.pdf
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1805 [13:11:17] <guardian> hello, after having upgraded jessie to stretch, is there a catch all command that removes everything jessie related? like old kernel etc?
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1810 [13:13:38] <guardian> and it there a difference between apt-get purge --auto-remove <packages> and apt-get autoremove --purge <packages> ?
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1813 [13:14:47] <vlt> Hello. I got Xorg log files of Debian 7 machines with a completely unpredictable booting behaviour: This is what it looks like when after booting the x2goclient login screen appears: replaced-url
1814 [13:14:54] <vlt> Any idea what might happen here?
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1822 [13:18:48] <markybob> guardianJ: btw you're asking in the wrong place. /topic
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1834 [13:23:46] <SilverWhitefish> markybob, are you referring him to irc.oft.net?
1835 [13:23:58] <erm3nda> markybob, can i know why is the wrong place?
1836 [13:24:10] <erm3nda> did read /topic but didn't get it
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1839 [13:24:31] <markybob> because that's where testing (stretch) support is meant to be
1840 [13:24:42] <markybob> and yes it's on oftc
1841 [13:24:43] <erm3nda> aha, strech is testing
1842 [13:24:47] <erm3nda> sorry :)
1843 [13:24:59] <erm3nda> Jessie here :)
1844 [13:25:22] <SilverWhitefish> out of 1685 users not one could answer that question either yes or no
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1848 [13:26:19] <markybob> SilverWhitefish: i didn't even see your question. i'm sure most didn't either. don't take it personally :P
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1850 [13:27:07] <guardian> ok I'll rephrase
1851 [13:27:38] <guardian> after having upgraded wheezy to jessie, is there a catch all command that removes everything wheezy related? like old kernel etc?
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1853 [13:28:03] <markybob> heh
1854 [13:28:15] <SilverWhitefish> my reply was in regard to guardian
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1856 [13:28:23] <guardian> are we friends now?
1857 [13:28:32] <erm3nda> :V
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1859 [13:28:37] <markybob> !which repo
1860 [13:28:37] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have come from, try replaced-url
1861 [13:28:42] <markybob> that'll help
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1864 [13:29:42] <erm3nda> do a diff between distros :)
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1866 [13:30:03] <erm3nda> err, versions
1867 [13:30:07] <markybob> dist-upgrade does a pretty good job. i dont know what you're "worried" about
1868 [13:30:29] <guardian> thanks markybob
1869 [13:30:36] <guardian> well I'm more curious than worried
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1871 [13:30:58] <guardian> it's just that I noticed the previous kernels was still installed, which prompted my question about a "catch all" command
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1875 [13:31:24] <guardian> I did apt-get -y purge --auto-remove $(dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1 | grep -E 'linux-image-[0-9]+' | grep -Fv $(uname -r)) to remove old kernels
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1878 [13:31:45] <markybob> the kernel is about the only thing it won't remove
1879 [13:32:11] <guardian> ok
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1886 [13:38:57] <themill> guardian: you might like to also look at the output of "aptitude search '~o'" to see packages that can't be installed (either locally built or obsoleted by the upgrade). There's also "aptitude search '~c'" which is removed but not purged packages that can get cleaned up
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1916 [13:59:41] <tuppabox> hey, i need help with my network and dns, its not working, ive no idea
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1932 [14:04:26] <tuppabox> so anyone can help me?
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1956 [14:12:28] <teraflops> tuppabox: what is not working, the dns reolution? can you ping 8.8.8.8 from terminal?
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1958 [14:12:52] <tuppabox> yes i can ping 8.8.8.8
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1960 [14:12:56] <tuppabox> but i cant ping google.de
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1963 [14:13:32] <teraflops> tuppabox: paste to paste.debian.net your /etc/resolv.conf please
1964 [14:13:54] <tuppabox> and the file resolve.conf does only show a ip v6 ip
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1966 [14:14:51] <teraflops> tuppabox: if you edit the file and change that ipv6 address to 8.8.8.8, can you ping google.com?
1967 [14:15:28] <tuppabox> no because its overwritten immedeately (sorry for my english^^)
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1969 [14:16:06] <teraflops> tuppabox: just instantly?
1970 [14:16:34] <tuppabox> yes but let me think i wont change the location of the htpc so i should disable resolvconf
1971 [14:16:43] <tuppabox> yes instantly
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1974 [14:17:58] <teraflops> tuppabox: how did you setup network there? and is the htpc running stock debian?
1975 [14:18:27] <tuppabox> i used a net iso
1976 [14:18:35] <tuppabox> and installed it with kde
1977 [14:18:56] <tuppabox> meanwhile the installation it seems like that network worked
1978 [14:19:09] <teraflops> tuppabox: wired?
1979 [14:19:16] <tuppabox> and it also already worked for some seconds
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1982 [14:19:50] <iSBrick> hey all.. question... got a USB gamepad (HID)... shows up in dmesg, gets device nodes, etc... what I don't know is how it's expected to be used by the app (fceux)... is it common practice that the app is aware of devices, and can recognize the buttons directly (a la jstest), or to use something like a keyboard mapper to bind the joystick buttons to keyboard buttons/characters which the app is
1983 [14:19:50] <iSBrick> then blind to?
1984 [14:19:56] <iSBrick> (or something else entirely?)
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1988 [14:20:31] <teraflops> tuppabox: do you have any other device or computer wheere you can check of youre running ipv6 or not? also for checking the dns it uses to resolve names?
1989 [14:21:29] <teraflops> tuppabox: looks like youre doing dhcp and your router sends that dns server for resolving names
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1997 [14:24:38] <Emil> replaced-url
1998 [14:24:43] <Emil> This is rather infuriating
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2005 [14:27:50] <markybob> Emil: have you tried just editing ~/.config/mimeapps.list directly?
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2007 [14:28:51] <teraflops> Emil: for defining default applications in xfce use exo
2008 [14:29:31] <markybob> teraflops: he tried. a lot. the video is actually pretty sad
2009 [14:29:37] <teraflops> oh the video continues ...
2010 [14:29:39] <teraflops> heh
2011 [14:29:41] <teraflops> yeah
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2013 [14:30:23] <ansyeblya> hello, could someone give an advise on what is the easiest way of configuring l2tp ipsec client from debian 8 gnome
2014 [14:30:26] <markybob> and there's always #xfce
2015 [14:30:49] <Emil> markybob: no such files for
2016 [14:30:50] <Emil> me
2017 [14:31:24] <teraflops> Emil: what happens when you do `exo-open replaced-url
2018 [14:31:26] <Emil> there is one in .local/share/applications
2019 [14:31:59] <markybob> Emil: make it. then restart xfce. here's my chrome info replaced-url
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2021 [14:32:06] <Emil> teraflops: it opens another tab in chrome, though it is open now
2022 [14:32:10] <ansyeblya> network-manager in repos has no such plugin, so I don't even see an option of l2tp or PSK etc
2023 [14:32:19] <Emil> markybob: I'll try
2024 [14:32:28] <teraflops> Emil: with chome closed
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2029 [14:33:12] <teraflops> chrome*
2030 [14:33:19] <Emil> teraflops: chrome closed it just prompts to choose prefferred application
2031 [14:33:24] <teraflops> ^
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2041 [14:36:16] <Emil> restarting xfce now
2042 [14:36:32] <otyugh> hey. I want to open a .docx with a really slow computer. What software should I use ?
2043 [14:36:43] <markybob> google docs
2044 [14:36:59] <otyugh> markybob, areu kiddin ? oO
2045 [14:37:09] <Emil> Still asks to choose default application
2046 [14:37:15] <markybob> no. you try libreoffice on a really slow computer
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2048 [14:37:41] <markybob> Emil: yeah at this point probably i'd ask #xfce :/ sorry
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2050 [14:38:44] <Emil> markybob: I have been there :D
2051 [14:38:49] <Emil> They say it is a Debian issue
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2053 [14:39:03] <Emil> Sorry, I am there
2054 [14:39:09] <markybob> Emil: oh. well...debian here and dont have that problem :P
2055 [14:39:55] * themill wonders if the relevant file is owned by root by accident
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2058 [14:40:47] <teraflops> Emil: and how do you install chrome in that system?
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2060 [14:41:07] <teraflops> Emil: tried with another web browser?
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2062 [14:41:37] <teraflops> my point is that chrome is not in debian repos
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2065 [14:43:09] <Emil> teraflops: dpkg -i
2066 [14:43:15] <Emil> which you have to do
2067 [14:43:28] <Emil> themill: which file would that be?
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2069 [14:43:49] <Emil> there is no apt(-get) install google-chrome sadly
2070 [14:43:51] <themill> something under $HOME
2071 [14:44:15] <themill> I don't use xfce so no idea where this is hidden
2072 [14:45:56] <themill> I've never been convinced that these "set as default" things inside the browser could ever work given they'd have to have dozens of different slabs of code for each WM/DE on each distro/release
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2075 [14:46:42] <markybob> ...but he did it outside the browser too
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2077 [14:46:56] <themill> and then potentially undid it with the browser
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2079 [14:47:06] <markybob> i guess that could be true
2080 [14:47:29] <themill> firefox thinks it isn't the default browser here but it is -- I have no idea what it is checking and it is wrong
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2086 [14:48:56] <Emil> themill: the question is, how can chrome undo that :o
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2095 [14:52:34] <tuppabox> teraflops, you are still there?
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2097 [14:52:50] <tuppabox> the connection refused... -.-
2098 [14:53:08] <tuppabox> and it didnt notice me anyway
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2104 [14:56:15] <teraflops> Emil: tried with any other web browser?
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2106 [14:58:07] <teraflops> tuppabox: I have no idea why you resolv.conf is overwiten that way, I never seen that before
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2109 [14:58:16] <Emil> teraflops: firefox starts without issue
2110 [14:58:23] <Emil> and also accepts the default setting
2111 [14:58:45] <teraflops> Emil: then blame that chrome.deb you install by hand
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2113 [14:59:26] <teraflops> overwritten*
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2115 [14:59:43] <Emil> so google fucked up
2116 [14:59:45] <Emil> Nice
2117 [14:59:47] <tuppabox> teraflops, here: replaced-url
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2119 [15:00:01] <teraflops> Emil: it's not debian related as you can see
2120 [15:00:13] <tuppabox> its explained ill try to disable it and configure resolve.conf
2121 [15:00:18] <markybob> google's fucking up a lot lately. only sha1 for their repos for example
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2123 [15:00:29] <teraflops> tuppabox: and?
2124 [15:01:18] <teraflops> tuppabox: you said you installed debian and setup the networking on the installer. how is related that link to your issue?
2125 [15:01:45] <tuppabox> there you can read that resolveconf will overwrite resolv.conf
2126 [15:02:09] <tuppabox> because you said you have never seen this before
2127 [15:02:15] <otyugh> ,v mumble
2128 [15:02:16] <judd> Package: mumble on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.2.2-6+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u1; wheezy: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u2; jessie: 1.2.8-2; stretch: 1.2.15-1; sid: 1.2.15-1
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2133 [15:02:57] <teraflops> tuppabox: my point is that even using resolvconf if you edit /etc/resolv.conf i does not get rewritten automagically
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2137 [15:03:43] <teraflops> …unless you reboot or restart networking
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2139 [15:04:41] <tuppabox> after i change something and save/write that to disk, it says me that the file change meanwhile
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2141 [15:05:12] <teraflops> it says? just cat the file after editing it
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2143 [15:05:38] <teraflops> tuppabox: then look at the logs and find out whats going on I guess
2144 [15:05:44] <markybob> that doesn't make sense. even if it changed before you saved the saving would win...
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2149 [15:11:12] <teraflops> tuppabox: sorry for asking it, but are you sure youre editing the file correctly?
2150 [15:11:16] <ghormoon> hi, I was just thinking, would it be possible to bend logrotate to rotate folders i.e. mv /path/folder /path/folder.date or I'll have to do this in cron separately? :)
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2185 [15:28:32] <styx__> hi! what's the debian way to switch between multiple gcc versions? i have gcc-4.9 from jessie as default and want to switch to gcc-6 from testing. i only found update-alternatives to manage the symlinks (/usr/bin/gcc etc..), but isn't there a better solution?
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2188 [15:29:06] <greycat> gcc isn't managed by update-alternatives, for whatever reason. Either make your own symlinks, or set PATH, or whatever you want.
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2192 [15:30:27] <themill> or export CC=
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2194 [15:30:44] <markybob> that might be tough. judd says ssb wont work
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2196 [15:30:50] <styx__> themill: i need the new compiler version for gcov, so i dont know where to export CC
2197 [15:31:09] <greycat> "need"?
2198 [15:31:40] <greycat> As far as "where", it's usually a pseudo-variable that you set as an argument to a ./configure command.
2199 [15:32:02] <styx__> i have a debian jessie vm in qemu and my host is arch linux. arch linux has gcc-6.1 and debian jessie 4.9. they are not compatible
2200 [15:32:03] <greycat> e.g. ./configure CC=gcc-6 CFLAGS="-Wall -O2"
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2202 [15:33:04] <styx__> i use the setup "Appendix B" replaced-url
2203 [15:33:40] <styx__> When i use gcc-4.9 on the arch linux machine to compile the kernel, gcov is working, but 4.9 does not support kernel options (KASAN) i want to use
2204 [15:33:46] <greycat> So this is for building a Linux kernel? Then I'm out.
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2211 [15:35:59] <greycat> (That script at the bottom of that URL has a number of errors, that *probably* won't hurt you as long as you do things in the most naive, vanilla way possible, e.g. never ever having a directory name with spaces in it.)
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2213 [15:36:34] <styx__> greycat: yes that's right ;D
2214 [15:37:21] <greycat> The one above it is worse. Much worse.
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2217 [15:38:06] <jhutchins> Remember when every howto began with "First, compile the kernel to enable...
2218 [15:38:33] <greycat> I haven't built a kernel since upstream finally admitted "It's up to the vendors to make them stable."
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2220 [15:40:55] <greycat> ... and it appears someone deleted that factoid
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2227 [15:44:24] <multi_io> do all debian version numbers comply to this document? replaced-url
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2233 [15:45:36] <greycat> replaced-url
2234 [15:45:37] <multi_io> e.g. I can't really see there that e.g. ~ would be a legal character in a version number
2235 [15:45:57] <multi_io> ah, there it is, thanks greycat
2236 [15:45:59] <themill> multi_io: you might want to look at a version that isn't 14 years out of date
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2238 [15:46:04] <greycat> Not going to bother looking at a document on "fifi.org" when I can just look it up on debian.org.
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2240 [15:46:15] <themill> version 3.5.6.1, 2002-03-14
2241 [15:46:28] <multi_io> it's just the first thing that google spit out, sorry :)
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2248 [15:48:11] <multi_io> so all debian version numbers comply with that, right?
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2250 [15:48:27] <greycat> if they don't, it's a major bug
2251 [15:48:31] <themill> version numbers of packages
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2253 [15:49:02] <multi_io> our actual problem here is storing these things in mysql so they're sortable efficiently there
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2255 [15:49:22] <greycat> You don't sort them in SQL.
2256 [15:49:23] <multi_io> postgresql has a debversion datatype, but mysql doesn't
2257 [15:49:25] <themill> there may well already be a type written for them -- there certainly is for postgres
2258 [15:49:52] <greycat> ... ok, you don't sort them in *vanilla* SQL.
2259 [15:49:57] <multi_io> greycat: why not?
2260 [15:50:16] <multi_io> ok
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2264 [15:50:25] <greycat> Because from vanilla SQL's point of view they're arbitrary strings with no rhyme or reason.
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2266 [15:50:33] <multi_io> yeah I know
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2268 [15:51:15] <themill> time to migrate to postgres?
2269 [15:51:23] <greycat> You either implement the algorithm in the policy doc, or use someone else's implementation of it, which may include dpkg --compare-versions
2270 [15:51:41] <multi_io> I was thinking of having a bunch of table columns that you order by in order
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2277 [15:53:21] <multi_io> then splicing and storing the debversion into that somehow, applying the rules in that Debian document
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2356 [16:25:46] <Alexrocksdude> are the debian team still working on iceweasal or has that project been given up on since the new esr firefox was added
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2359 [16:27:09] <serty> hi, what do you think about this pinning? replaced-url
2360 [16:27:09] <greycat> replaced-url
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2365 [16:28:23] <Alexrocksdude> ah that really sucks
2366 [16:28:30] <Alexrocksdude> there is just so much cancer in the esr
2367 [16:28:47] <Alexrocksdude> after install it just opens 3 tabs of mozilla shilling itself
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2371 [16:29:53] <somiaj> Alexrocksdude: even if debian were still rebranding firefox as iceweasel it would still be using the same firefox-esr as the base.
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2379 [16:33:48] <greycat> dpkg, iceweasel is also <replaced-url
2380 [16:33:48] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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2388 [16:38:00] <jhutchins> Alexrocksdude: icewease was never a fork of firefox, just a re-branding.
2389 [16:38:08] <jhutchins> Alexrocksdude: The codebase was the same.
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2394 [16:39:51] <Alexrocksdude> i thought debian did more than just backport security updates, ie. remove the junk that default firefox has
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2396 [16:40:32] <jhutchins> Alexrocksdude: Well, no matter now, it's merged.
2397 [16:40:35] <greycat> Whatever junk-modification was done to iceweasel, if any, will also be done to firefox-esr. It's the same maintenance team.
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2399 [16:40:53] <jhutchins> That's certainly what I would expect.
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2513 [17:27:07] <pronum> hi folks, if i want to dd a netinstall.iso on an empty cdrom, how do i do this? of=/dev/...?
2514 [17:27:23] <greycat> You can't write to a CD with dd. You have to use a burning program.
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2516 [17:27:43] <pronum> oh okay! can i also use cp?
2517 [17:27:47] <greycat> cdrecord or wodim or dvd+rw-tools-something or ....
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2520 [17:28:12] <pronum> okay... guess i will use an usb stick haha
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2525 [17:29:27] <unborn> some people amaze me eh
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2527 [17:29:45] <Wulf> pronum: use Brasero if you don't want to exert your brain too much
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2531 [17:30:32] <pronum> i dont have a burning programm installed so usb stick is easier right now
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2533 [17:30:38] <jhutchins> pronum: It might help if we knew what platform you're on.
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2536 [17:30:53] <Wulf> pronum: apt-get install brasero
2537 [17:31:07] <greycat> Section: gnome
2538 [17:31:08] <greycat> Oh fucking no.
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2540 [17:31:17] <pronum> jhutchins im on jessie
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2543 [17:31:32] <greycat> Just let him use the USB stick.
2544 [17:31:38] <nardul> Hey! How can I use apt-get to install a specific package from testing? (I'm thinking about golang). I can use 'apt-get install golang/testing', however golang is a meta-package, can't I do something like 'apt-get -t install golang'? Well, that doesn't work.
2545 [17:32:03] <greycat> nardul: use jessie-backports, or backport it yourself, or don't DO IT at all.
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2547 [17:32:58] <nardul> greycat: I do have jessie-backports in my sources, I guess I am unsure why I am not using it then? Do I need to set preferences?
2548 [17:33:11] <greycat> You have to use -t jessie-backports for each package you want from it.
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2550 [17:33:29] <greycat> !jessie-backports
2551 [17:33:29] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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2554 [17:34:05] <greycat> ,v golang
2555 [17:34:06] <judd> Package: golang on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.2-1.1; wheezy-backports: 2:1.3.3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:1.3.3-1; jessie-backports: 2:1.5.1-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:1.6.1-2; sid: 2:1.6.1-2; stretch: 2:1.6.1+1; sid: 2:1.6.1+1
2556 [17:34:37] <greycat> Do not understand why stretch and sid are listed twice, with two different versions.
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2559 [17:37:34] <nardul> greycat: But 'apt-get -t jessie-backports golang' does not do anything.
2560 [17:37:43] <greycat> you forgot "install"
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2563 [17:38:46] <cruncher> greycat, apparently one version is for a specific architecture, and the other is "all"
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2570 [17:41:27] <nardul> greycat: Sorry, I retyped, no I did not forget install.
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2572 [17:42:21] <jhutchins> nardul: so dpkg -l golang - see what version you actually have.
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2575 [17:42:43] <smokeysea> Hello All, the deb packages that get downloaded with apt-get; where are they getting stored?
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2578 [17:43:29] <greycat> /var/cache/apt/archives/
2579 [17:43:36] <nardul> jhutchins: 1.3*, an old version.
2580 [17:43:39] <petn-randall> smokeysea: What are you trying to do with them?
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2583 [17:44:06] <smokeysea> petn-randall: I want to shared that deb to other installations
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2586 [17:44:22] <cruncher> smokeysea, for future reference, man apt-get, then in the FILES section you can see the files&paths it uses
2587 [17:44:22] <greycat> Yeah, you can do that. NFS mount it on a network.
2588 [17:44:25] <smokeysea> petn-randall: basically latex related; they are around 700 MB of it
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2590 [17:44:52] <smokeysea> greycat: I actually performed dd on entire lvm ;)
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2592 [17:45:18] <smokeysea> so the root partition of 50 gb was copied as it is
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2594 [17:45:26] <smokeysea> i mean /
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2596 [17:45:35] <greycat> Don't even want to know.
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2598 [17:45:49] <smokeysea> greycat: thanks for the path
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2604 [17:48:35] <nardul> greycat: Why shouldn't I install packages from testing? I still don't understand why apt-get isn't listening to the -t command.
2605 [17:49:06] <greycat> Because if the testing package depends on libc6, then you end up bringing in testing's libc6, and then you are on testing, not stable any more.
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2607 [17:49:24] <jhutchins> nardul: THere's a way to use a policy command to figure out why something's not upgraded, I've never absorbed the syntax. greycat ?
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2611 [17:50:35] <nardul> greycat: Gotcha on the testing part then, of course you are right :)
2612 [17:50:38] <greycat> nardul: did you follow the instructions for adding a package from jessie-backports? Including apt-get update after editing the sources.list? Also what does "does not do anything" ACTUALLY MEAN? It gave no output at all?
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2617 [17:52:07] <nardul> greycat: Yes I did, by doing nothing I mean it finds nothing to upgrade.
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2620 [17:53:10] <greycat> titan:~$ sudo apt-get --print-uris -t jessie-backports install golang
2621 [17:53:18] <greycat> 'replaced-url
2622 [17:53:21] <greycat> and so on
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2626 [17:54:33] <nardul> greycat: Mine just keeps 1.3. But hmm, it wants to distupgrade.
2627 [17:54:39] <nardul> They show up there.
2628 [17:54:55] <greycat> I don't know what you're doing, but if I were you, I would be worried.
2629 [17:55:31] <nardul> Pfft, I am not worried. I just want a higher version of golang for my development.
2630 [17:55:59] <jhutchins> Perhaps there is an issue with golang_1 vs golang_2
2631 [17:56:03] <greycat> I suspect you have done something Very Wrong, if dist-upgrade is pulling in either stretch or jessie-backports packages.
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2635 [17:57:04] <jhutchins> Could we be talking about a dist-upgrade from 8.4 - 8.5?
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2638 [17:58:11] <nardul> greycat: I know I have, I messed with apt_preferences, that might have been it. And yes, the dist-upgrade was what jhutchins meant, I removed my alterations.
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2640 [17:59:25] <nardul> However, I am still a the state where I enabled jessie-backports, but 'apt-get --print-uris -t jessie-backports install golang' does nothing.
2641 [17:59:31] <jhutchins> WHere does debian set whether the HW clock is UTC or Local?
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2643 [17:59:46] <greycat> It can't do *nothing*. It has to give some output.
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2649 [18:02:34] <nardul> greycat: Well, yes, it says golang is the newest version.
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2652 [18:04:30] <nardul> Ah. But if i write 'apt-get install golang/jessie-backports', it wants to upgrade g++. Hmm.
2653 [18:05:00] <greycat> All I know is you've got some broken shit.
2654 [18:05:34] <nardul> greycat: I don't see how I would get "broken shit" however.
2655 [18:05:56] <jhutchins> nardul: paste /etc/apt/sources.list and anyting from sources.list.d
2656 [18:06:00] <jhutchins> !paste
2657 [18:06:00] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
2658 [18:06:01] <greycat> Usually it occurs as a result of modifying sources.list and running apt-get update and the installing something and then modifying it again, and so on.
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2663 [18:08:45] <nardul> Sure, 2 secs.
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2665 [18:09:15] <colo-work> linux-image-amd64 from backports refuses to dist-upgrade here; apt-get tells me the reason are "held broken packages". I don't have any pkgs on hold at all on this system. problem is that a new dependency (from bpo) is required to satisfy that package's min-version reqs for linux-base
2666 [18:09:26] <colo-work> why does apt-get come up with the "held packages" reason? is that a bug?
2667 [18:09:34] <nardul> jhutchins: replaced-url
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2695 [18:19:53] <jhutchins> nardul: Yep, that's a mess.
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2698 [18:21:15] <jhutchins> nardul: You have both stable (jessie) and unstable(sid). If you've installed packages from sid, your system is essentially broken, and the only thing we can guarantee will work is a fresh install.
2699 [18:21:26] <jhutchins> !partial downgrade
2700 [18:21:26] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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2703 [18:22:05] <jhutchins> nardul: 1) Use release names, not descriptions. Change "stable" to "jessie".
2704 [18:22:13] <jhutchins> nardul: 2) Eliminate line 8.
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2706 [18:23:31] <jhutchins> nardul: Line 12 is commented out, but if you have done ANY upgrades or installs with it enabled, your system is a mess of mixed-release packages.
2707 [18:23:54] <jhutchins> nardul: WHich it already is because of the "unstable" repo on 8.
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2718 [18:28:56] <nardul> jhutchins: Hmm. I haven't installed anything from testing. You're saying release names is better? Makes sense I guess. Hmm. I have some exim that needed a newer version (because the debian version was bugged). I probably took that from unstable, likely because I couldn't get backports to work.
2719 [18:29:13] <nardul> Meh, I'll reinstall at some point, thanks a bunch for your help!
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2726 [18:31:31] <nardul> Wait, no. Maybe I'm reading aptitude wrongly. Meh. (I don't have exim installed)
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2782 [18:44:56] <H4ndy> is switching to testing really as easy as editing my sources.list and running apt full-upgrade?
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2784 [18:45:12] <H4ndy> or apt-get dist-upgrade respectively
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2794 [18:48:25] <markybob> H4ndy: yes. you'll want to go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for support. not here.
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2797 [18:48:40] <sm00th> are there any music players designed for kde that have an equalizer?
2798 [18:48:56] <sm00th> anything besies amarok
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2800 [18:49:33] <H4ndy> vlc?
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2802 [18:50:12] <sm00th> hmm
2803 [18:50:21] <H4ndy> meh, another network to linger on, thanks anyway, markybob
2804 [18:50:22] <sm00th> can that handls massive libraries? i'll check it out
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2806 [18:50:39] <H4ndy> well it's not exactly a media library
2807 [18:51:12] <sm00th> I'm thinking of installing banshee but man thats alot of packages needed
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2810 [18:52:35] <sm00th> oh wait! I think clementine has an eq
2811 [18:52:55] <Amun_Ra> yes it dows
2812 [18:52:57] <Amun_Ra> does*
2813 [18:53:04] <sm00th> cool I'll use that
2814 [18:53:25] <Amun_Ra> I just launched it to check that out
2815 [18:53:27] <Amun_Ra> :>
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2885 [19:19:56] <GlockX> hi guys, i wanna install Debian on a chromebook, can I delete ALL of the partitions on /dev/mmcblk0 ? I dont want to dual boot.. just wannt know the consequences of deleting a chromeos-firmware partition
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2891 [19:21:25] <FinalX> dunno much about chromebooks, but things like playstations and other devices hold that partition to actually boot anything at all. chromebook might be fine, but dunno
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2897 [19:23:45] <sm00th> GlockX, replaced-url
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2899 [19:23:57] <sm00th> looks like you use an sd card or usb to boot it.
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2902 [19:24:30] <GlockX> thanx
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2914 [19:29:26] <micw_> hi
2915 [19:29:39] <micw_> what can i do to workaround this kernel bug? replaced-url
2916 [19:29:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2917 [19:30:08] <micw_> should i witch to 4.x backport kernel?
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2922 [19:32:25] <sm00th> micw_, try it, why not.
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2925 [19:33:00] <micw_> sm00th, works. hopefully without side effects ;)
2926 [19:33:16] <sm00th> nice
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2928 [19:33:30] <micw_> seems that neither firmware-realtek or nonfree brings the firmware fpor this kernel
2929 [19:34:32] <babilen> judd: v firmware-realtek
2930 [19:34:33] <judd> Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1
2931 [19:34:39] <babilen> (it's also in jessie-backports)
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2949 [19:45:03] <DeaDSouL> hi, does anyone know how to delete some steam game settings & configs? i just want to delete all custom configs and settings for "tomb raider" but i don't know which folder or file that I should delete... could anyone help me?
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2960 [19:50:14] <SerajewelKS> is there some issue with iftop that it won't properly engage promiscuous mode for ipv6 tunnel interfaces?
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2962 [19:50:41] <SerajewelKS> iftop on my edge ipv4 interface shows traffic belonging to the tunnel, but iftop on the ipv6 tunnel interface only shows traffic destined for the router machine itself.
2963 [19:50:59] <SerajewelKS> tcpdump on the tunnel interface confirms there is a crapton of traffic not destined for the router that iftop doesn't show.
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2984 [19:57:15] <t4b> I've need to reroute/change/whatever midi messages. Say my controller produces CC#2 messages but I need CC#7 messages. I don't know what this is called and that's likely why I can't find any information on how to do it. Can LMMS do it? Or some JACK utility?
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2986 [19:58:19] <t4b> Is this what "patchbay" in qjackctl does? (can't figure out how to use that one either, but if I knew it's what I need then I could try harder)
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2992 [20:00:02] <t4b> In case it's not clear: usb midi controller sends signals. I need to change those signals before they arrive at the virtual instrument in the daw.
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3005 [20:04:45] <SerajewelKS> also, i don't suppose there is a tool that can monitor bandwidth in/out of an interface while also showing which tc class(es) they passed through?
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3007 [20:05:10] <SerajewelKS> would be nice to verify that my tc filters are working correctly, as well as identify traffic that could use new filters
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3030 [20:15:50] <pasties> In the /etc/network/interfaces file is there a way to explicitly state which interface to use as the default gateway? Odd situation where multiple indepedent networks are using DHCP and they're fighting each other for control of the gateway
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3033 [20:16:38] <Serialbox> pasties: yes, but you will also need to adjust your dhcp client configuration too
3034 [20:16:41] <SerajewelKS> pasties: in your dhclient.conf you can remove the option to accept routes
3035 [20:16:50] <Serialbox> What SerajewelKS said :)
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3037 [20:16:57] <SerajewelKS> pasties: then manually add the default route in an "up" line in interfaces
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3039 [20:17:34] <SerajewelKS> pasties: if you are using dhclient, edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and remove "routers" from the "request" list
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3043 [20:18:28] <SerajewelKS> pasties: then in /etc/network/interfaces, add this line to the interface you want traffic to leave on: up ip route add default via $GATEWAY dev $IFACE
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3045 [20:18:36] <SerajewelKS> substituting $GATEWAY and $IFACE appropriately
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3048 [20:19:35] <pasties> SerajewelKS: awesome thanks you
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3050 [20:19:46] <SerajewelKS> pasties: hmm apparently you can specify options per interface
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3052 [20:20:12] <pasties> SerajewelKS: that would be even more convenient, I went looking for exactly that but wasn't able to find any documentation on it
3053 [20:20:20] <SerajewelKS> pasties: so you may not need the "up" line, just remove "routers" as before, then add to your dhclient.conf: interface "$IFACE" { request ...; }
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3058 [20:20:44] <SerajewelKS> pasties: and fill in $IFACE and "..." (by copying the other list and putting "routers" back in)
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3060 [20:20:54] <pasties> SerajewelKS: oh per interface in the dhclient config? I didn't even think about checking that
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3068 [20:26:04] <SerajewelKS> i feel like there has to be some tool to show which tc classes a particular connection is using -- how else do network administrators verify that their tc filters are working correctly?
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3143 [21:00:17] <sm00th> Amun_Ra, i ended up going with banshee after all, cause I coudln't get rhythmbox to shuffle properly lol
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3146 [21:00:49] <sm00th> *clementine
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3191 [21:20:58] <goethe> Does anyone know how to start a wm with arguments? I
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3193 [21:21:17] <goethe> 've been looking around the startx scripts and cant seem to figure it out
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3195 [21:21:41] <greycat> Your WM actually takes some? That's weird. But ok, fine, just put them on the command line after the WM's name.
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3200 [21:23:48] <Amun_Ra> sm00th: I don't have a problem with that :>
3201 [21:24:18] <Amun_Ra> sm00th: I mean what does not work?
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3329 [21:31:47] <sm00th> Amun_Ra, i tried to shuffle all the songs, but it keeps playing songs fromt he same album. not sure why. I have banshee installed, works great. Neded like 5 times more packages, but so be it...
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3348 [21:32:51] <sm00th> Amun_Ra, i have like 10,000 songs too. so if i just want to shuffle them all I don't want to have to add them to a playlist first.
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3352 [21:33:18] <sm00th> but ya I dunno why even after shuffling the playlist, and putting the playmode on shuffle. it still was not shuffling.
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3355 [21:33:36] <sm00th> kept playign the same album, maybe something about how it was encoded i've seen that behavior before in players.
3356 [21:33:37] <Amun_Ra> sm00th: have you opened Smart playlists → All tracks one?
3357 [21:33:38] <sm00th> its weird.
3358 [21:33:52] <sm00th> Amun_Ra, no i'm on banshee now. much easier to manage.
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3364 [21:34:19] <enoch> hi all
3365 [21:34:24] <Amun_Ra> sm00th: ok, clementine has its own playlist management philosophy, you have to get used to it ;>
3366 [21:34:25] <enoch> best free server monitoring tool?
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3368 [21:34:38] <sm00th> Amun_Ra, even importing folders in banshee was easier, you can highlight multiple folders at once.
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3374 [21:35:05] <sm00th> I was trying to go with w/e used less packages but now I just want whats easier to use lol
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3378 [21:35:16] <Amun_Ra> enoch: sth like munin?
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3390 [21:35:25] <sm00th> Amun_Ra, at least they got rid of amarok in kde. that was even worse...
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3395 [21:35:32] <sm00th> Amun_Ra, when it didn't crash.
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3400 [21:35:41] <SerajewelKS> i used to use amarok back in the day
3401 [21:35:43] <Amun_Ra> sm00th: rhythmbox is "special" too
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3410 [21:36:10] <enoch> Amun_Ra: not only network monitoring
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3412 [21:36:13] <sm00th> Amun_Ra, that might be the other player I've seen the issue on. where the way a certain album was labeled or encoded. Gave it preference over any other track in the library or playlist.
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3415 [21:36:30] <sm00th> so even when i would put it on shuffle, it would always play the same album first no matter what. so weird.
3416 [21:36:49] <capum321> hello! I am trying to compile mono-addins package as dependency to build a monodevelop 6.0 which doesn't exist in repositories. get this error replaced-url
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3421 [21:37:08] <SerajewelKS> i am partial to banshee. but that may be because i wrote a small piece of it, so maybe i'm biased.
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3423 [21:37:18] <sm00th> SerajewelKS, lol cool, banshee does everything right.
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3425 [21:37:34] <SerajewelKS> sm00th: do you use the visualization plugins?
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3427 [21:38:02] <SerajewelKS> i'm curious how many still work well. i wrote most of those + the visualization plugin subsystem in banshee.
3428 [21:38:02] <sm00th> SerajewelKS, dont' think so
3429 [21:38:07] <markybob> capum321: you're really asking how to build an ubuntu package in #debian? why?
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3432 [21:38:28] <sm00th> SerajewelKS, is that an extension?
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3435 [21:38:52] <SerajewelKS> sm00th: the vis plugins are, yes. i wrote most of the plugins as well as the half in banshee that exposes the audio data to those plugins.
3436 [21:38:55] <capum321> i can't find a place with people who can deal with this so i am in a killing spree
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3439 [21:39:17] <markybob> capum321: we don't support it here. you'll have to try #ubuntu
3440 [21:39:21] <SerajewelKS> capum321: if you are using ubuntu then the proper place is #ubuntu
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3442 [21:39:28] <enoch> mhhh
3443 [21:39:31] <enoch> munin vs nagios?
3444 [21:39:33] <SerajewelKS> !debian-based
3445 [21:39:33] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
3446 [21:39:59] <agamemnon23> does anyone know why some debian package versions are marked as vulnerable to a particular CVE, even though the package version is greater than the minimum version affected by the vulnerability? e.g. CVE-2015-3253 lists Apache Groovy 1.7.0 through 2.4.3 as vulnerable, but debian also lists their 2.4.6 and 2.4.7 versions as vulnerable...
3447 [21:40:05] <agamemnon23> as seen in replaced-url
3448 [21:40:35] <agamemnon23> I've noticed this with other CVE's too
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3451 [21:41:23] <capum321> SerajewelKS markybob why don't you support? it's a debian package?
3452 [21:41:38] <markybob> capum321: it's not. it's an ubuntu package
3453 [21:41:47] <babilen> agamemnon23: Those lists are manually maintained, so it might simply be an error, but it is hard to say without investigation in detail.
3454 [21:41:47] <SerajewelKS> capum321: the debian package format was invented by debian, yes. but many distros use this format.
3455 [21:42:10] <sm00th> agamemnon23, maybe at the time it went public that was the latest pakcage, event hough new versions have come out that vuln still hasn't been fixed? not sure.
3456 [21:42:18] <SerajewelKS> capum321: you need to distinguish between "Debian Linux" and ".deb files"
3457 [21:42:21] <markybob> capum321: and the bot told you why. "based on"
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3459 [21:42:30] <greycat> We explicitly do NOT support (nor recommend) installing packages from other distributions.
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3463 [21:42:42] <capum321> so I try my chance at ubuntu.
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3466 [21:42:51] <babilen> capum321: This channel only supports Debian and Debian users due to technical and social reasons. It would be much appreciate if you would be so kind to seek support in your distribution's channel or ##linux
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3468 [21:42:53] <markybob> yes. that's what you're using
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3470 [21:42:55] <SerajewelKS> capum321: are you using ubuntu or are you using debian?
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3481 [21:43:46] <SerajewelKS> capum321: (hint: the answer isn't actually relevant. if you are using ubuntu, then you need to ask in #ubuntu. if you are using debian, you SHOULD NOT install ubuntu's packages on a debian system.)
3482 [21:43:47] <Bray90820> Hey I have someone here on debian 7 and he is getting an error
3483 [21:43:48] <Bray90820> start: not found
3484 [21:44:03] <SerajewelKS> Bray90820: in what context?
3485 [21:44:09] <agamemnon23> babilen, sm00th: thanks for the comments... I've seen this quite a few times, so I think there may be more to it. I'll try giving the security team a shout to see if they can clarify.
3486 [21:44:11] <Bray90820> SerajewelKS: replaced-url
3487 [21:44:46] <SerajewelKS> Bray90820: plex isn't part of debian, ask the plex folks why their package doesn't install
3488 [21:44:55] <sm00th> how do I install 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u2 in jessie?
3489 [21:45:08] <sm00th> currently I have 3.16.0-4-amd64
3490 [21:45:17] <Bray90820> SerajewelKS: Thanks anyways
3491 [21:45:21] <greycat> sm00th: you are confusing the package name with the package version.
3492 [21:45:22] <SerajewelKS> Bray90820: np
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3494 [21:45:40] <greycat> sm00th: check "uname -a" to see the exact kernel *version* (mine is 3.16.7-ckt25-2)
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3497 [21:46:11] <sm00th> greycat, tks that was it
3498 [21:46:50] <capum321> SerajewelKS: i see. I am using Mint actually. The users from #linuxmint-help weren't much of help. Already got a warn from the op saying it is off-topic.
3499 [21:46:53] <SerajewelKS> sm00th: dpkg -l will also tell you the version of the package. on my system: ii linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 3.16.7-ckt25-2
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3501 [21:47:04] <SerajewelKS> sm00th: linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 is the package name, 3.16.7-ckt25-2 is the version
3502 [21:47:19] <SerajewelKS> capum321: they are wise then
3503 [21:47:25] <sm00th> SerajewelKS, tks
3504 [21:47:40] <SerajewelKS> capum321: installing an ubuntu package anywhere but on ubuntu is likely to be unsupported
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3506 [21:47:45] <greycat> You probably have to do tricks to make dpkg not truncate the package name and version.
3507 [21:47:51] <greycat> ii linux-image-3. 3.16.7-ckt25 amd64 Linux 3.16 for 64-bit PCs
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3512 [21:48:14] <greycat> Piping dpkg's output through cat is one such trick.
3513 [21:48:28] <SerajewelKS> greycat: my favorite is "having a wide monitor" :)
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3516 [21:48:48] <greycat> Monitor size is irrelevant. A wide monitor means I have more terminals, not one big-ass terminal.
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3520 [21:49:24] <capum321> SerajewelKS: you can't say that to a mint os ?!
3521 [21:49:36] <SerajewelKS> capum321: what?
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3523 [21:50:16] <capum321> SerajewelKS: ubuntu packages are compatible? to mint os
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3527 [21:50:36] <SerajewelKS> capum321: they are except when they aren't
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3531 [21:52:16] <capum321> SerajewelKS: that's not fine... anyway i will heads up to #ubuntu
3532 [21:52:28] <SerajewelKS> capum321: i wouldn't go there
3533 [21:52:37] <capum321> SerajewelKS: why?
3534 [21:52:47] <SerajewelKS> capum321: you are running mint. if the mint guys can't/don't help you then what you're asking to do isn't supported.
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3536 [21:52:56] <SerajewelKS> people are not going to help you do something unsupported
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3539 [21:53:17] <capum321> SerajewelKS: of course it is, it's is a trusty package.
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3541 [21:53:46] <SerajewelKS> regardless of whether it's supported, though, it's off-topic here
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3543 [21:54:38] <greycat> So you're installing an ubuntu package on Mint, and then asking for help in #debian?
3544 [21:54:59] <capum321> greycat: you got here late
3545 [21:55:11] <f31n> hi, i just found out that i have a zombie process sh on my system - so my whole shell is a zomie or did i get here something wrong?
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3547 [21:55:18] <greycat> So that's a "yes"?
3548 [21:55:32] <greycat> !zombie
3549 [21:55:32] <dpkg> A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
3550 [21:55:52] <greycat> Find out who the zombie's parent is.
3551 [21:55:57] <capum321> greycat doesn't matter, can you help me out?
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3553 [21:56:04] <greycat> Obviously not.
3554 [21:56:16] <f31n> greycat: how can i do that?
3555 [21:56:18] <greycat> We don't use mint and we don't use ubuntu packages, *let alone* that combination together.
3556 [21:56:23] <capum321> greycat: who is the noob then? haha
3557 [21:56:47] <TomTomTosch> please stop this and move on.
3558 [21:56:51] <mark__> !pfs
3559 [21:56:56] <mark__> !psf
3560 [21:57:01] <greycat> f31n: either use the "f" option of ps to get a tree-style view, or use the "-f" option to get the PPID field (Parent Process ID) and then you can look up the PPID.
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3562 [21:57:39] <SerajewelKS> greycat: i didn't know about the f option, i always used pstree... neat
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3566 [21:58:32] <f31n> lovely greycat psad causes the zombie ... thanks a lot
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3580 [22:03:51] <hobbily> o/
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3608 [22:12:21] <greycat> Anyone have any guesses why Nexpose thinks I've got "SSSD Local Handler Callback Unauthorized Login Vulnerability" just because I am "Running SSH service" and "Vulnerable OS: Linux 2.6.32" (wrong kernel version), even though I am not running sssd?
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3610 [22:13:30] <jelly> read the code for this "Nexpose" and see what it actually tests for?
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3613 [22:14:10] <jelly> (iotw no guesses)
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3616 [22:14:46] <SpeedyG> greycat: false positive?
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3618 [22:14:54] <greycat> I'm guessing they couldn't identify what distribution I am running ("It's not Fedora *or* CentOS!") so they just assume something random.
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3621 [22:15:32] <disi> Awhile back, i added the testing source to my apt sources.list (for the latest version of git). i have since removed it, but now apt-get keeps giving me "Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." whenever i try to install something... how do i fix this?
3622 [22:15:47] <greycat> It looks like... some kind of commercial product? Found their web page, maybe. It says "Free Trial" on it.
3623 [22:15:55] <jelly> disi: short answer is "reinstall stable"
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3625 [22:16:28] <markybob> disi: he's right. you can't mix shit like that.
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3630 [22:16:57] <markybob> !tell disi about dontbreakdebian
3631 [22:17:01] <jelly> alternatively, fully upgrade to stretch
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3635 [22:17:25] <disi> markybob: what is the point of the testing source? someone uses it presumably... what's the correct way?
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3637 [22:17:42] <markybob> disi: you have a full testing system. you don't mix.
3638 [22:17:49] <greycat> The "correct way" to use a specific post-jessie package on jessie is to install a backport.
3639 [22:18:02] <greycat> ,v git
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3641 [22:18:03] <judd> Package: git on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-security: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u2; stretch: 1:2.8.1-1; sid: 1:2.8.1-1; experimental: 1:2.8.1+next.20160414-1
3642 [22:18:06] <jelly> judd: checkbackport git
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3644 [22:18:12] <judd> Backporting package git in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
3645 [22:18:24] <greycat> And when there's no backport readily available, to make one yourself.
3646 [22:18:26] <jelly> it... may be possible to make one.
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3648 [22:19:36] <disi> bummer... that was probably the easiest shot in my foot that ive ever taken :p
3649 [22:19:45] <disi> thanks, though! Ill stop googling
3650 [22:20:11] <greycat> To make a backport yourself, /msg dpkg ssb
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3653 [22:23:00] <unborn> greycat: heh are you using that Nexpose nonsense?
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3655 [22:23:09] <greycat> No, someone in my organization is using it.
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3657 [22:23:29] <greycat> And I'm expected to log in to this web site they set up, and understand its reporting.
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3660 [22:24:17] <sm00th> unborn, what is a good vulnerability scanner for linux?
3661 [22:24:38] <unborn> greycat: 'nice'
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3664 [22:24:59] <unborn> sm00th: people
3665 [22:25:09] <sm00th> unborn, huh?
3666 [22:25:12] <greycat> unborn: and I'm also expected to "attend" a Skype For Business meeting to discuss it.
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3670 [22:26:23] <sm00th> unborn, what secret programs do those "people" use?
3671 [22:26:41] <unborn> greycat: yeah ist remind me when business is expecting me to secure their data on windows 10
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3674 [22:27:23] <unborn> sm00th: no. the actual people who are lets say smart as they write scripts and you can then run them
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3677 [22:27:58] <unborn> sm00th: i guess you can use google or some other se for those programs..
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3680 [22:28:23] <unborn> sm00th: or read bug reports for each os and then write your own scanner
3681 [22:28:27] <sm00th> unborn, everything I find is deprecated and abandoned
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3683 [22:28:52] <sm00th> unborn, i guess you have to be part of the cool crowd.
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3685 [22:29:19] <sm00th> or use some enterprise software
3686 [22:29:19] <unborn> sm00th: i give you hint here.. use kali
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3694 [22:31:38] <sm00th> unborn, lol
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3696 [22:31:44] <sm00th> hmm nethogs doesn't work
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3698 [22:31:51] <sm00th> creating socket failed while establishing local IP - are you root?
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3700 [22:31:57] <sm00th> debian 8.5
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3704 [22:32:35] <unborn> greycat: to be honest while it looks nice I think its going to be horrible
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3707 [22:33:06] <sm00th> its 0.8.0 but it dont' work. think we need 0.8.5
3708 [22:33:10] <sm00th> i mean at leats 0.8.1
3709 [22:33:49] <sm00th> unborn, what program do I use on kali?
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3713 [22:35:13] <markybob> ask #kali
3714 [22:35:16] <sm00th> OpenVAS?
3715 [22:35:40] <greycat> I'd actually like to hear why unborn recommended kali, specifically.
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3718 [22:35:57] <greycat> This is not a field in which I'm experienced.
3719 [22:35:59] <sm00th> with metasploit I guess you can just scan for the latest bugs.
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3723 [22:36:24] <sm00th> but if you aint one of the cool kids your metasploit probably don't have them lol
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3726 [22:36:55] <markybob> the cool kids. yeah. that's how i choose my os
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3728 [22:37:14] <sm00th> markybob, doesn't matter what os you use.
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3733 [22:37:52] <markybob> it does if you're telling someone to use kali in #debian
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3735 [22:38:04] <sm00th> markybob, I didn't say that
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3737 [22:38:10] <unborn> sm00th: you know we all was saying "The quieter you become, the more you are able to listen".. I think this is wrong place for you but you will get it with age and know-how..
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3739 [22:38:13] <greycat> Well, replaced-url
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3742 [22:38:32] <sm00th> greycat, crap os for a desktop too imo.
3743 [22:38:49] <unborn> greycat: its easy for kiddies ;)
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3745 [22:39:18] <sm00th> latest version of openvas I see on their website is april 2015
3746 [22:39:19] <jelly> eh, replaced-url
3747 [22:39:39] * greycat looks at replaced-url
3748 [22:39:39] <unborn> greycat: I can see content.. but you not using js :)
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3751 [22:40:02] <edoardo> debian.org is not that horrible
3752 [22:40:03] <markybob> really? i like the minamilist ideals of debian.org
3753 [22:40:08] * greycat looks at replaced-url
3754 [22:40:11] <sm00th> I really don't think the only option is enterprise, or become one of the cool crowd.
3755 [22:40:18] <sm00th> *really think
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3759 [22:40:43] <edoardo> Our Most Advanced Penetration Testing Distribution, Ever.
3760 [22:40:50] <edoardo> EVER®
3761 [22:41:01] <greycat> I only see 3 clickable things on the kali page. One shockwave flash, one "privacy policy" link, and one "trademark policy" link. That's literally it.
3762 [22:41:05] <markybob> "our"
3763 [22:41:07] <sm00th> kali aint gonna do much for you unless you have the latest exploit scripts unbornn talks about
3764 [22:41:41] <edoardo> Why Did They Capitalize Every Word That's Annoying, Ever.
3765 [22:41:52] <sm00th> or pen test somebody that never patches anything.
3766 [22:42:00] <unborn> jelly: I like debians site, whats wrong with it?
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3768 [22:42:11] <jelly> try using it.
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3770 [22:42:30] <jelly> eg: find the release notes in less than 10 clicks.
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3772 [22:42:52] <sm00th> oh ya on kali i have to allow scripts right off the bat I don't like it.
3773 [22:42:57] <greycat> jelly: well, to be fair I just got to the netinst page in 2 easy clicks.
3774 [22:43:02] <sm00th> i like debian.org better.
3775 [22:43:07] <markybob> it's in the topic :P
3776 [22:43:22] <edoardo> getfedora.org: 55 requests, 382.7kb - debian.org: 12 requests, 50kb - kali.org: 69 requests, 3509kb
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3778 [22:43:37] <unborn> yeah jelly I know.. there was few attempts to change that but never had reply from anyone there.. so I guess it will stay on that wiki platform possibly forever :D
3779 [22:43:39] <jelly> greycat: um... netinst is one click download (finally)
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3781 [22:43:45] <markybob> so it's the "cool kids" argument again
3782 [22:43:50] <greycat> jelly: release notes are one click from the main page.
3783 [22:43:56] <edoardo> light is good.
3784 [22:44:03] <greycat> one more click to choose amd64
3785 [22:44:23] <greycat> I don't see whatever issues you're describing.
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3788 [22:44:37] <sm00th> oh look at that security advisories right on the main page. love that.
3789 [22:45:36] <markybob> what's wrong with that? seems pretty important
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3791 [22:45:44] <sm00th> markybob, i wasn't being sarcastic
3792 [22:46:05] <edoardo> jelly: Homepage -> Release Info -> jessie -> Release Notes
3793 [22:46:06] <sm00th> I think thats great, don't think any other distro thinks its as important.
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3795 [22:46:37] <greycat> edoardo: main page, section "getting started", click on the underlined link that says "the release notes"
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3798 [22:47:01] <sm00th> markybob, i use debian man.
3799 [22:47:03] <greycat> Easily found by me when I searched for the string 'upgrad'
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3801 [22:47:09] <sm00th> markybob, 8.5
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3812 [22:49:49] <greycat> OK, one thing I do not like about replaced-url
3813 [22:50:14] <greycat> In the columns-grid of links after the second paragraph of text.
3814 [22:50:33] <greycat> Whitespace should never be dangerous to click.
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3817 [22:51:06] <hobbily> hello, i have a fresh install of debian mini amd64 on an intel nuc, im trying to get a usb modem to work with for 3g or LTE connection, ive done some trouble shooting and it appears that the modem is stuck in storage mode and there is no USB serial device availible for pppd to interface with... ive loaded usbserial into my kernel with specific product and vendor flags, but still no dice... what am i doing
3818 [22:51:12] <hobbily> wrong ?
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3823 [22:54:30] <unborn> greycat: the problem is there is noone to be contacted for dev of new website layout and even it there is an email its for reporting of bugs on current site.. anything else mentioned on that email will gets ignored. thats only downside of the whole concept of contact us page there..
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3828 [22:56:15] <greycat> You mean the debian web site? I believe there's a pseudo-package you can report a bug against for that. Unless I am hallucinating that.
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3830 [22:56:50] <greycat> If you mean the kali web site, well, I have no answer for that.
3831 [22:56:51] <unborn> then there is not really any point to change anything on debian website.. because if they do not use js then if should stay as it is.
3832 [22:57:01] <unborn> im talking about debian website
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3849 [23:03:12] <moveax> hey
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3851 [23:05:03] <jelly> hobbily: install usb-modeswitch
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3864 [23:13:10] <enoch85> Please help us test the Nextcloud VM so that we can make the best possible release once 10 is out, or sooner. replaced-url
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3867 [23:13:14] <enoch85> Sorry for OT btw
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3872 [23:14:40] <jelly> enoch85: don't say you're sorry, if you were sorry you would not spamvertise
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3883 [23:18:57] <enoch85> jelly: just thought everuone should know, Nextcloud is the new ownCloud if you ask me
3884 [23:19:16] <enoch85> jelly: but yeah you're right
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3886 [23:19:54] <jelly> enoch85: noone's asking, and this isn't the first time you advertised own project in here and got warned
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3893 [23:22:56] <aZz7eCh> so my little server box is running jessie lite. I have it installed to a 4gb usb stick and in my box I have two 3TB drives running as raid1 (mirror). All is working well for .... 6 months + now ... However ... I'm a little concerned that I have not worked out how to make the two hdd's power down when idle. They run 24/7 as long as the server hasn't "gone to sleep" .. they dont idle down at all between use. Any suggestions on best way to handl
3894 [23:22:56] <aZz7eCh> e this?
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3907 [23:24:58] <cdb23ax> hello can someone tell me how to install debian on a thinclient ud3lx with only a compact flash card?
3908 [23:25:12] <cdb23ax> if i install from cd it cant find the cf card
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3911 [23:27:13] <awwal> "hardware acceleration" feature in chromium/firefox is "utile" for basically multimedia web content or soemething else?
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3916 [23:28:17] <cruncher> awwal, even for scrolling
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3918 [23:28:55] <TomTomTosch> canvas, webgl, video decode and so on.
3919 [23:29:19] <awwal> cruncher, oh, ok. so that feature is there for almost all firefox/chromium rendering/tasks?
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3921 [23:29:32] <cruncher> yes
3922 [23:29:40] <petn-randall> cdb23ax: Is the CF card otherwise readable by the system?
3923 [23:29:52] <cruncher> although, at least in the past, firefox had an issue where it was faster when disabled
3924 [23:30:07] <awwal> I thought it was just for adobe flash or multimedia stuff. ok (Y)
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3927 [23:30:56] <cdb23ax> petn-randall: i cant tell you that its a new 8gb cf card and it should be readable but since the bios wont show me i cant tell you
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3930 [23:31:52] <awwal> chromium in jessie VM blinks at startup and starts with a black screen for a few second, disabling hardware acceleration problem solved
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3932 [23:32:12] <cdb23ax> its a IGEL LX 3 device and it theres only one cf card in i just replaced it by a new one
3933 [23:32:17] <awwal> only happens in the VM (jessie amd64), not in real hardware
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3936 [23:33:07] <awwal> in real hardware (i386 & amd64) no problem accitating that feature
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3939 [23:33:33] <cruncher> awwal, probably due to the driver... do you have the guest additions installed?
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3945 [23:35:37] <petn-randall> cdb23ax: If the BIOS doesn't show the device you probably have a hardware problem.
3946 [23:36:01] <cdb23ax> petn-randall: the bios also wont show the working cf card
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3949 [23:36:20] <petn-randall> cdb23ax: CF is fairly old tech (it's electrically the same to IDE, just a different connector), so I'd be surprised if the controller behind it isn't supporte by Debian.
3950 [23:36:51] <petn-randall> cdb23ax: You can always try bootstrapping the CF card if you have a 2nd Debian machine.
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3956 [23:38:14] <cdb23ax> petn-randall: if the controller is not recognized do you think that it would help to bootstrap?
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3973 [23:48:18] <petn-randall> ... and gone they are. :/
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3975 [23:48:29] <awwal> cruncher, yes, guests additions installed
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3979 [23:49:04] <awwal> installed in the guest, not in the host
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3981 [23:50:07] <Guest19834> i installed ubuntu 16.04 lts server on an old laptop. i've now logged in, and want to connect to the inet. i'm not using an ethernet cable. with ifconfig -a i get emp2s0 (Link encap:Ethernet), lo (Link encap:Local Loopback) and wlp3s0 (Link encap: Ethernet). am i right in that none of these are wifi?
3982 [23:50:28] <Guest19834> sorry, wrong channel.
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3987 [23:51:43] <awwal> virtualbox-guest-additions-iso recommends virtualbox. installing guest additions in the guest without virtualbox , guest aren't detected. installing virtualbox yes they are detected. so one ends having virtualbox inside virtualbox VM :D
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3991 [23:53:08] <icarious> Hi, I am performing a Jessie installing using the Debootstrap under an Archlinux livecd. I noticed a warning "Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg". Is there a way to manually download the keyring from somewhere for it to verify the packages?. I know I can proceed without, just wish to verify the packages
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3994 [23:54:03] <awwal> guest additions installed in the guest OS are only mandatory if the host is i386 and the guest amd64
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