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0 [00:00:09] <chrislamp> Hello all! How can I find the debug symbols for rdesktop of jessie? Thank you
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20 [00:17:21] <^v> if <chrislamp> rejoins he probably needs to recompile rdesktop with debug symbols enabled
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111 [01:09:04] <Rudde> replaced-url
112 [01:09:28] <Rudde> Is there any way to achive reverse TCP like they offer on a self hosted platform? For free hopefully?
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118 [01:12:23] <Amun_Ra> Rudde: pagekite - Make localhost servers publicly visible
119 [01:12:43] <Amun_Ra> Rudde: haven't tested it tho
120 [01:13:30] <abrotman> reverse tcp ?
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123 [01:15:38] <TomTomTosch> port forwarding and a dynamic dns service would do that. if you want a server behind a nat accessible from the internet that is.
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129 [01:18:08] <Rudde> I will test it out Amun_Ra
130 [01:18:32] <Rudde> TomTomTosch: Won't help on NAT's where you don't have router access
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142 [01:24:20] <ewew> Hi. I want to ask if this message means that graphic card is going to leave soon.
143 [01:24:21] <ewew> radeon 0000:01:05.0: ring 0 stalled for more than 11252msec
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147 [01:26:37] <abrotman> leave?
148 [01:27:00] <ewew> yes stop working
149 [01:27:01] <abrotman> If you mean "die", probably not.
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156 [01:32:16] <sm00th> ewew, try diff kernel maybe
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161 [01:34:56] <ewew> could this event trigger flash player in google-chrome ?
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166 [01:38:09] <sm00th> ewew, is that when it happened?
167 [01:39:05] <abrotman> or an updateddriver
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169 [01:39:13] <ewew> i was watchin some videos a then the screen freezed. only mouse was working. after attempting to go tty1 it stoped completly. i needed to use sysrq.
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171 [01:39:42] <simonlnu> probably just have to reset the video (cold boot)
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173 [01:39:56] <sm00th> could be anything really, is this a new install, or something that just started happening?
174 [01:40:22] <sm00th> ya drivers, kernel, reseat card. could be psu too.
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176 [01:40:42] <ewew> psu should be good.
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179 [01:41:35] <ewew> not sure if related. but i have here vbox
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183 [01:42:16] <simonlnu> vbox is hard on the video
184 [01:42:30] <sm00th> check temps too
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186 [01:42:57] <ewew> CPU 33°C and MB 36°C
187 [01:43:20] <sm00th> ewew, the gpu temp
188 [01:43:29] <sm00th> when you are watching a vid
189 [01:43:32] <ewew> n/a.
190 [01:43:44] <sm00th> hmm
191 [01:44:11] <sm00th> I don't have much experience with radeon, but I know lm-sensors or nvidia prop drivers give you a gpu temp. i'm sure radeon must somehow.
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193 [01:44:26] <ewew> im not sure if its a good idea to touch the chip.
194 [01:44:49] <ewew> to test the temp.
195 [01:44:57] <sm00th> ewew, replaced-url
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198 [01:46:18] <ewew> other possible cause can be by shared ram ?
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205 [01:51:02] <SilverBallz> android custom bootloader
206 [01:51:10] <SilverBallz> wrong box
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209 [01:52:13] <ewew> ok. im leaving for now. bye
210 [01:52:21] <sm00th> SilverBallz, copperhead os
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215 [01:55:01] <SilverBallz> that was like a christmas present thank you so much sm00th
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218 [01:56:16] <sm00th> SilverBallz, wait, I think you have to have a nexus device though :/
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224 [02:01:10] <luxio> For some reason I can't watch Twitch video on my Debian install
225 [02:01:17] <luxio> Does anyone here know if it requires Flash or something?
226 [02:01:29] <luxio> Or can someone confirm that it doesn't work?
227 [02:02:08] <SilverBallz> sm00th: im an expendable trio axs 4g tablet... (one of two exact devices). no worries
228 [02:02:21] <SilverBallz> im getting ready to brick it either way.
229 [02:02:22] <SilverBallz> lol
230 [02:02:28] <sm00th> lol gl
231 [02:03:07] <SilverBallz> ty
232 [02:03:37] <markybob> luxio: yes it requires flash
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234 [02:03:45] <SilverBallz> oh and since this was off topic I DO HAVE DEBIAN KIT on it
235 [02:03:57] <SilverBallz> :p love ya sis
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237 [02:04:38] <luxio> markybob: oh wow, that sucks
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240 [02:05:38] <Yehai> bazhang: hello
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251 [02:09:03] <Rudde> Amun_Ra so yeah, I need something like pagekite, but I need to be able to self-host the server side too
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266 [02:16:52] <Amun_Ra> Rudde: ssh -R will work, just make sure it'll reconnect
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276 [02:22:02] <Voyage> Is there any chance my logitech keyboard bluetooth based, would need drivers or anything else to work with debian or ubuntu based OSes?
277 [02:22:08] <jaggz> I downloaded an old libc6 from wheezy (eglibc-2.13), and the patch
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279 [02:22:53] <jaggz> not sure how to do this.. configure ran fine, but then make failed (same error as this person: replaced-url
280 [02:24:06] <jaggz> trying to figure out how to apply the patch
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282 [02:24:20] <somiaj> jaggz: are you trying to install the wheezy libc6 on jessie?
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284 [02:25:10] <markybob> so you're applying a 2.11 patch to 2.13 and wonder why it's failing.
285 [02:25:27] <jaggz> patch -p0 --dry-run < ../eglibc_2.13-38+deb7u11.diff
286 [02:25:31] <jaggz> somiaj, no I won't install it
287 [02:25:44] <jaggz> markybob, no I'm not following that page exactly :)
288 [02:26:04] <jaggz> from here, replaced-url
289 [02:26:20] <jaggz> I downloaded eglibc_2.13.orig.tar.gz and eglibc_2.13-38+deb7u11.diff.gz
290 [02:26:35] <markybob> i love helping when i'm given wrong information to begin with.
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293 [02:27:21] <jaggz> I didn't give wrong information did I? I got the same error as him, I didn't say I followed his same steps or used his packages
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295 [02:27:36] <jaggz> yeah, go argue with your tv!
296 [02:27:38] <jaggz> ;)
297 [02:27:57] <jaggz> or insult it.. and see if it keeps asking you for help
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300 [02:28:39] <themill> It'd be easier it you actually told us what you did and what happened (real commands, real output). Some context as to why helps too.
301 [02:29:44] <jaggz> I patched it (I went into the eglibc source and ran patch -q1 < ../whatever.diff) .. that made all the debian/* files ..
302 [02:29:58] <themill> see, that tells me nothing useful
303 [02:30:05] <jaggz> but I still get that *** No rule to make target '../manual/errno.texi', needed by '../sysdeps/gnu/errlist.c'. Stop.
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305 [02:30:38] <jaggz> (there happens to be no manual/ dir there at all)
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307 [02:32:48] <jaggz> replaced-url
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313 [02:34:36] <themill> jaggz: I still don't know what you've actually done
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315 [02:35:27] <jaggz> I untarred, went into dir, mkdir'ed debian, applied patch (which created debian/*), ran ./configure --prefix=/tmp/eglibc, ran make
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317 [02:36:42] <jaggz> excuse me, I went into a separate build dir and ran ../eglibc-2.13/configure --prefix=/tmp/eglibc
318 [02:36:44] <jaggz> then ran make
319 [02:36:56] <glassresistor> so i was having some issues with recreating my uefi config to get it to boot
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322 [02:38:09] <themill> jaggz: if you're wanting to build the debian sources, then using the debian build system probably makes sense. And you should use dpkg-source to unpack the source package
323 [02:39:28] <glassresistor> so i imaged my encrypted luks partiion, restored it to another partition(still encrypted) and also backuped up to a normal ext4 partion
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325 [02:40:14] <glassresistor> I've now reinstalled debian jessie with legacy boot and have my 3 backups, how should i go about restoring my root directory
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327 [02:41:11] <somiaj> glassresistor: what do you mean by restoring root directory? Do you just want to get back tot he same set of packages installed?
328 [02:41:27] <glassresistor> somiaj: and configs and everything else
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330 [02:41:53] <somiaj> glassresistor: well I would chroot into your old install and then do somethign like apt cone
331 [02:41:53] <chomwitt> it qt-sdk package necessary to program in Qt5 ?
332 [02:41:56] <somiaj> !apt clone
333 [02:42:03] <jaggz> themill, okay, doing it that way
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335 [02:42:07] <jaggz> oh, by the way, "*** These critical programs are missing or too old: make"
336 [02:42:18] <somiaj> !aptitude close
337 [02:42:24] <somiaj> !aptitude clone
338 [02:42:24] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
339 [02:42:32] <glassresistor> somiaj: so like if i just copy all of my files from one drive to another from a live cd and reboot
340 [02:42:39] <jaggz> I did have to do another thing -- the configure script tested 3.x but assumed 4.x was older :)
341 [02:42:59] <somiaj> glassresistor: what dopkg said, that will return your package state to the state on your old system. After that you can copy your $HOME dir over and then any configs in /etc you need
342 [02:43:24] <themill> I don't think anyone is going to be surprised if some old glibc doesn't compile with a modern toolchain
343 [02:43:25] <somiaj> glassresistor: since you have a new install that is correctly booting, I may not want to copy over the old isntall and configs, I would probabaly reinstall and copy over only the config stuff I need
344 [02:43:26] <glassresistor> somiaj: its not just about packages, its about my home directory/etc; also the machine im restoring is gone except for the image
345 [02:43:46] <somiaj> glassresistor: if you copy over all of /, you may have to manually make it boot again because you'll have the old configs for grub/etc
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348 [02:44:10] <somiaj> glassresistor: correct, so after you reinstall all the packages, mirror $HOME over, and then copy the few thigns in /etc you needed (most of the stuff in there is usually default)
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350 [02:44:27] <somiaj> glassresistor: that would be my suggestion at this stage since you have a fresh install that is booting like you want it
351 [02:44:38] <glassresistor> somiaj: i made a backup without /boot which is on a different partion so /boot and /boot/grub are empty as well as /mnt and everything eles
352 [02:45:06] <jaggz> themill, same error
353 [02:45:38] <somiaj> glassresistor: but you may have grub-efi vs grub-pc installed
354 [02:45:52] <somiaj> glassresistor: if you copy over your old root, you may have to manually fix the issue with it booting
355 [02:46:12] <glassresistor> somiaj: since the old system is just on an external drive now how can i get a package list
356 [02:46:35] <glassresistor> somiaj: /boot and /boot/grub are empty so if i rsync itll still have the new /boot stuff
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359 [02:47:12] <glassresistor> somiaj: i'll probably need to uninstall grub-efi to make sure it doesn't mess something up on an upgrade
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363 [02:47:54] <glassresistor> somiaj: i'd consider doing the aptitude clone thing if you can show me how to do it from an external non-booting drive
364 [02:48:32] <somiaj> glassresistor: your call, but since you ahve a workign install I woudln't mess it up by copying over stuff into / (copy over /home and the config files you need in /etc) but I wouldn't mess with the current working isntall by copying an old install on top of it
365 [02:48:55] <somiaj> glassresistor: you should be able to just mount that drive, mount /dev/whatever /mount/location
366 [02:49:02] <cmhobbs> anyone know if there's a package in jessie that'll supply opusfile?
367 [02:49:09] <somiaj> glassresistor: then chroot /mount/location and run the aptitude clone command from inside the chroot
368 [02:49:18] <cmhobbs> there's libopusfile0 and libopusfile-dev but neither supply the binary
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370 [02:49:32] <glassresistor> somiaj: give me a minute to stop rsyncing and ill try that
371 [02:49:40] <somiaj> cmhobbs: you can use apt-file to search for the actual package.
372 [02:49:49] <cmhobbs> thanks, i'll try that
373 [02:49:58] <jaggz> themill, I didn't download the version *u10 by the way, just the u11
374 [02:50:10] <glassresistor> somiaj: how doews chroot work?
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380 [02:51:30] <somiaj> glassresistor: it just makes a new root dir some other location and once in it you should be able to run commands in your old install
381 [02:51:49] <jaggz> how do I examine build dependencies from this old wheezy file?
382 [02:51:55] <jaggz> for
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386 [02:53:53] <jaggz> I couldn't seem to get my sources setup to get this wheezy eglibc, so I was trying to just get the tar myself, but perhaps some dependency is missing
387 [02:55:45] <jaggz> looks like I need deb as well as deb-src lines to use apt-get build-dep
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389 [02:57:57] <jaggz> ah HAH
390 [02:57:59] <jaggz> replaced-url
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392 [02:58:12] <jaggz> run "make -f debian/rules patch"
393 [02:58:14] <capum321> hello
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396 [02:58:59] <archie> Hello?
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398 [02:59:08] <LambdaComplex> hi?
399 [02:59:08] <jaggz> progress
400 [02:59:15] <archie> ah great something works
401 [02:59:20] <archie> how suprising
402 [02:59:44] <archie> has anyone got any idea on how to get audio working?
403 [02:59:49] <archie> ive been struggling for hours
404 [02:59:54] <SilverBallz> ?!kick archie
405 [02:59:58] <SilverBallz> :p
406 [03:00:01] <archie> devo
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411 [03:01:21] <jaggz> damn
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413 [03:01:24] <jaggz> "sed: can't read libc.texinfo: No such file or directory"
414 [03:01:49] <jaggz> I don't see anything on debian with this error, but in a cygwin post they say, "Revert to make-3.81 if you encountered this error."
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416 [03:01:56] * jaggz sorrows
417 [03:02:16] <awwal> So not possible to install debian amd64 in qemu-kvm VM being the system i386?
418 [03:04:07] <jaggz> heh
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422 [03:06:09] <awwal> I did it just fine in virtualbox, but qemu-kvm no :( amd vm is created but installer want run, I get a message saying something like "the kernel of the image is amd64 but the one in the host is i386", so it fails :(
423 [03:06:25] <awwal> installer wont run ^
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426 [03:07:50] <awwal> also virtualbox offers like 3500 mb for vm ram and qemu-kvm maximum 2048 mb :P
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428 [03:08:17] <archie> ah yes i got audio to work im so happy
429 [03:08:28] <awwal> !next
430 [03:08:28] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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432 [03:10:13] <glassresistor> somiaj:
433 [03:10:23] <glassresistor> ok im ready to experiment
434 [03:11:37] <glassresistor> somiaj: sould i chroot from the old / directory?
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438 [03:12:30] <glassresistor> glassresistor: so sudo chroot /media/mikela/4214302134123-2342142134-23423/backup-2016?
439 [03:12:38] <glassresistor> somiaj: or no sudo
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456 [03:24:52] <MrHatter> I am working out how to virtualise a debian 7 mail server which has LVM and convert to a hyper v VM.
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460 [03:25:28] <MrHatter> just thinking about the LVM... could I ignore this and rsync the contents onto a new filesystem, update the initramfs and grub ?
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470 [03:32:25] <somiaj> glassresistor: you will have to run chroot as root
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476 [03:38:36] <sm00th> instead of single click
477 [03:38:51] <sm00th> nvm found it
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507 [04:05:17] <glassresistor> somiaj: man doesn'
508 [04:05:22] <glassresistor> somiaj: man doesn
509 [04:05:52] <glassresistor> somiaj: sorry bad keyboard man doesn't say anything about aptitude clone, how does it work
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511 [04:05:59] <Nakota> heelo
512 [04:06:10] <Nakota> Help install LVM please
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516 [04:07:43] <somiaj> !aptitude clone
517 [04:07:43] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
518 [04:08:04] <somiaj> glassresistor: you use aptitude to geenrate a list and then recover that list with aptitude on the new machine (This is so all the autoinstall and various other things are configured right)
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521 [04:09:33] <glassresistor> somiaj: i just cam
522 [04:09:57] <glassresistor> somiaj: i just can't find docs on it and i dont want to run a command i don't understand
523 [04:10:01] <glassresistor> i just ran
524 [04:10:37] <glassresistor> a chained command like "~/pkglist:
525 [04:10:37] <glassresistor> sudo dpkg --get-selections | sed "s/.*deinstall//" | sed "s/install$//g" > ~/pkglist
526 [04:10:42] <glassresistor> "
527 [04:10:43] <somiaj> glassresistor: aptitude search just creates a list (from the old install) that has info about the installed packages
528 [04:10:50] <somiaj> glassresistor: I did not link you that command.
529 [04:11:17] <glassresistor> somiaj: i know thats just what i found searching for aptitude clone
530 [04:11:28] <themill> that pipeline will also list removed packages
531 [04:11:45] <somiaj> glassresistor: the bot linked you commands using aptitude, the aptitude docs will contain more info on what the commands do
532 [04:11:57] <themill> glassresistor: you're not searching for "aptitude clone" your using the commands dpkg has talked about.
533 [04:13:13] <glassresistor> somiaj: i lost the bot thing, where is it? im sorry i know this must be annoying
534 [04:13:21] <somiaj> !tell glassresistor about aptitude clone
535 [04:13:35] <themill> glassresistor: what 'dpkg' said
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549 [04:22:25] <glassresistor> somiaj: im getting this error replaced-url
550 [04:23:58] <themill> is that because you deleted /var/lock/aptitude?
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560 [04:31:40] <somiaj> glassresistor: you are running this inside the chroot of your old install? Can you write to that file system to create the lock file (only thing I could think of)
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563 [04:32:27] <somiaj> ahh it could be that /var/lock -> /run/lock and you don't have /run mounted in the chroot, though I'm not use to having to do this inside of chroots.
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630 [05:37:39] <ToHellWithGA> the vnc server built into gnome seems to be working but only works locally; i can connect via vinagre to get a trippy hall of mirrors effect on my desktop, but all other connections from my LAN are rejected.
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635 [05:38:10] <ToHellWithGA> how can i allow clients other than localhost to access vino?
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657 [05:48:38] <STMelon> night all
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663 [05:59:54] <ToHellWithGA> finally found a solution - vino requires encryption by default (probably a good thing) but my clients did not support it. disabling encryption fixed the glitch.
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679 [06:15:29] <mikela> so i just did a fresh install of debian onto a my laptop and all of the https website I go to say bad certificates
680 [06:15:49] <mikela> I already ran update-ca-certificates withouth any improvemenet. whats the deal?
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684 [06:16:53] <mikela> this is the certificate im getting replaced-url
685 [06:17:11] <mikela> which i presume is the correct one I remember having this issue before but how do i fix it?
686 [06:19:18] <mikela> anyone around to help this issue is fairly disconcerting
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688 [06:21:25] <themill> which browser?
689 [06:21:28] <mikela> like just doing a simple install of debian and I'm apparently missing all of my root certificates
690 [06:21:31] <mikela> themill: firefox
691 [06:22:04] <mikela> themill: er iceweasel
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693 [06:22:28] <themill> (it should be firefox by now)
694 [06:22:43] <themill> firefox/iceweasel don't use ca-certificates so that's not the issue
695 [06:23:01] <themill> mikela: what's the output of 'date'
696 [06:23:01] <zykotick9> mikela: is your clock set correctly? the year as well?
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698 [06:23:14] <themill> *snap*
699 [06:23:27] * themill wins
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702 [06:23:47] <mikela> themill: yep thats it thanks
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704 [06:23:54] <zykotick9> themill: helping isn't a contest ;)
705 [06:23:58] <themill> ;)
706 [06:24:09] <mikela> themill: that fixed it
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712 [06:28:39] <evanvarvell> ...
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726 [06:34:10] <zh1> think there is a typo here replaced-url
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731 [06:35:41] <themill> zh1: you might need to be more verbose
732 [06:36:46] <zh1> dget -x replaced-url
733 [06:36:57] <themill> that syntax is fine
734 [06:37:51] <zh1> ok
735 [06:38:03] <themill> what don't you like about it?
736 [06:38:43] <zh1> was thinking was wget but no, its dget tool
737 [06:38:51] <zh1> ok got it
738 [06:38:51] <themill> !dget
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740 [06:39:05] <themill> yes, dget fetches, checks signatures and unpacks the source
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785 [07:01:53] <srvk> I disabled the root password and made a new user with root privileges. When I want to mount a partition on gnome as a regular user, I'm asked for the root password. How can I get gnome/nautilus to ask me for the password of the new superuser instead?
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789 [07:03:07] <freakyy> hi all. does anyone know how i could set up a rtmp live stream server on debian?
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792 [07:04:50] <jmcnaught> srvk: why not just use root, that's what it's for. how did you make a new superuser, just some other account with sudo access? does your own account have sudo access?
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796 [07:06:14] <themill> shouldn't gnome's automounter do this for the unprivileged user anyway, no root required
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798 [07:06:33] <srvk> jmcnaught: I changed the UID and GID to 0 in /etc/passwd. I wanted the root account not to be called 'root', I configured sudo to prompt me for the new superuser password.
799 [07:07:06] <srvk> I like that it asks me for permission to mount though, themill
800 [07:07:20] <themill> it can ask permission without asking for the root password
801 [07:07:33] <themill> (which is the default behaviour)
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803 [07:08:05] <srvk> default behaviour is asking for root password, or not?
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805 [07:08:34] <themill> not
806 [07:08:37] <jmcnaught> freakyy: if you're looking for software in Debian to use for this, take a look at the Multimedia Pure Blend's lists of packages, especially broadcasting: replaced-url
807 [07:09:01] <srvk> Well, my user pawword doesn't work with the prompt..
808 [07:09:29] <srvk> I'm on Jessie
809 [07:10:06] <themill> I'm not shocked that you've managed to break lots...
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811 [07:10:19] <themill> srvk: is this external drive listed in /etc/fstab?
812 [07:11:42] <srvk> nope, themill
813 [07:12:14] <themill> good
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817 [07:13:39] <srvk> Isn't the behaviour of the gnome authorization prompt to ask for the sudo password?
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821 [07:16:06] <themill> I have no idea what the "sudo password" is; it's not using sudo normally
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823 [07:17:04] <freakyy> thanks jmcnaught
824 [07:17:06] <freakyy> :)
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826 [07:17:30] <nevyn> themill: examine su-to-root
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828 [07:17:37] <nevyn> part of the menu package
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831 [07:18:20] <srvk> well, sudo will ask you for the root password, or the target user password, or the password of a specified user, according to how it's configured. In my case I set runaspw with runas_default set to my new user.
832 [07:18:32] <themill> and these things aren't using sudo
833 [07:18:46] <themill> su-to-root isn't used by anything in gnome -- it's all *kit stuff that talks to a privileged helper
834 [07:19:01] <freakyy> jmcnaught: how do i add the repository?
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841 [07:23:22] <venkat_330> I have 2 application "A" run in normal debian 8 & "B" run in chrrot .. syslog rotation does not work with "B" application.
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900 [07:55:23] <DebianUser75> debian 8.5 use firefox
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907 [07:58:59] <freakyy> is anyone here familiar with rtmpd (crtmpserver)?
908 [07:59:10] <freakyy> i cant get openbroadcastersoftware with it to run. i dont know how to configure it ;D
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911 [07:59:47] <darxmurf> hi all
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917 [08:03:37] <debianityourselv> Hi there . I was wondering if it would be fine to add official kali's repository to debian's jessie source.list
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920 [08:04:38] <debianityourselv> I know it could be a mess the other way (adding debian to kali) but adding kali to debian could cause any harm ?
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923 [08:07:32] <somiaj> don't mix distros/repos. You will be entering a world of pain. You will also get no support from here or kali if/when it breaks
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925 [08:08:13] <debianityourselv> then isn't safe to add it even using pin prioritys?
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927 [08:08:40] <somiaj> nope, because you will most likely pull in core libs that will cause conflicts. The repos are not designed to be mixed togehter
928 [08:08:50] <debianityourselv> ok thanks
929 [08:09:33] <somiaj> (you are of course welcome to do what you want, but don't expect any support)
930 [08:10:13] <debianityourselv> yeah i get it. I guess the best way to go is to compile the desired libraries on top of debian without messing with the core system
931 [08:11:01] <debianityourselv> just thought that kali/debian could have some kind of compatibility
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935 [08:13:15] <debianityourselv> kali and debian seemed to be so similar at first
936 [08:13:20] <debianityourselv> x)
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938 [08:13:38] <somiaj> it doesn't take much, even debian stable and testing shoudln't be mixed. It is due to shared libaries and how things are linked
939 [08:14:21] <somiaj> if you need software that isnt' in debian you should compile it yourself (not use binaries compiled for a different policy/distro)
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942 [08:16:13] <debianityourselv> that is what i usually do, but i just use autotools and kind of forget dpkg for that purpouses and i'm not quite sure if that was better than just adding external repos
943 [08:16:35] <somiaj> !don't break debian
944 [08:16:36] <dpkg> well, dont break debian is replaced-url
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946 [08:16:44] <debianityourselv> XDDDD
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948 [08:17:37] <somiaj> debian provides lots of tools (stow, check-install, and you can even compile your own custom .deb's if wanted) to manage locally isntalled stuff
949 [08:17:46] <debianityourselv> oooh i see people like me lives in debian dev's hearts xD
950 [08:18:12] <debianityourselv> long time ago i read something related to use dpkg to build .debs and people said it was easy
951 [08:18:17] <debianityourselv> but never digged into it
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953 [08:18:47] <debianityourselv> felt comfortable enought using autotools but now i think is the moment to do a step forward
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1003 [08:48:43] <boser> Hello, i have a question. Evolution present me two kinds of finding a Spam-Mail, 1. Bogofilter , 2. SpamAssissin - Which is the best for Mail?
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1170 [10:14:53] <Moon_> Hi
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1250 [11:17:45] <lkthomas> folks, does anyone still using daemontools ?
1251 [11:17:58] <Moon_> No, i have not
1252 [11:18:02] <Moon_> I think
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1315 [11:45:05] <talin> hello. when i try to run a 32-bit executabe on my 64-bit debian installation, i get "can not execute binary file"
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1317 [11:47:09] <talin> i have done dpkg --add-architecture i386
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1324 [11:49:17] <skrb> have you run apt update?
1325 [11:50:03] <skrb> and I believe in some cases you also need the i386 versions of libc and libncurses
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1328 [11:52:21] <talin> i have those, yep
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1330 [11:52:38] <skrb> still won't run?
1331 [11:53:08] <talin> hmm, i hadn't done upgrade since i installed i386 tho
1332 [11:53:13] <talin> added*
1333 [11:54:02] <skrb> I wish I had saved whatever guide I used to do the exact same thing a couple of days ago
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1336 [11:54:23] <alakx> Check if you have ia32-libs installed
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1338 [11:54:34] <alakx> 2) check the file permissions of the file you are trying to execute
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1340 [11:55:15] <freakyy> anmyone here familiar with red5 - live streaming rmtp? i have a problem. im trying to stream gw2 but the stream laggs. replaced-url
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1363 [12:02:59] <mazert> freakyy: what software do you use to stream ? Try changing quality, or check if you have enough bandwidth
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1375 [12:12:40] <_mel_> Hi. I have a weird problem with jessie apache2. i've configured apache / php / fpm from the book. Weekly the logfiles are rotated. so far so good. but last sunday. the restart failed with this error: "Starting web server: apache2(98)Address already in use: AH00072: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80" the manually restart worked. this is rather odd and sorry for the rant, please stop using systemd (because thats whats changed in jessie)
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1379 [12:13:53] <talin> alakx: file permissions have +x and ia32-libs says it's been deprecated
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1387 [12:16:54] <teraflops> _mel_: stop ranting and start learning
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1391 [12:18:57] <_mel_> teraflops: the more i read about, the less i like it. sorry. don't need another webserver in kernelmode .. But. how can i track the error? maybe the restart takes too long and not all processes are stopped (wow, _one_ thing that systemd can do so well...) before the restart. what else could cause this problem
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1399 [12:24:32] <teraflops> _mel_: don't use debian or don't use systemd then
1400 [12:24:38] <ChrisH> _mel_: how is the restart done? I assume from logrotate. I saw similar once on Solaris and there no systemd is involve.
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1402 [12:24:58] <_mel_> i see. logrotate is using the old init script
1403 [12:25:31] <_mel_> its on sunday 06.25. so yes. it has to be logrotate
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1407 [12:27:31] <teraflops> since jessie i've seen all kind of rants and insults about systemd. none of them was reasoned.
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1412 [12:30:42] <_mel_> teraflops: don't wanted to start this discussion. sorry. but to me it don't feel like any advantage at all. mount-bind doesn't work like before, time is not written to rtc on reboot and so on and so on. not one real problem is solved with it. for example, using systemd and logrotate with old script just doent make any sense imho .-)
1413 [12:30:43] <freakyy> mazert: i tried setting to really low bandwidth and resolution but still the same problem - continues lagging
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1415 [12:30:52] <freakyy> maybe its flowplayer causing it?
1416 [12:30:54] <freakyy> i cant test
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1418 [12:31:24] <teraflops> _mel_: then drop it, or continue it in #debian-offtopic
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1421 [12:32:19] <_mel_> teraflops: sorry, but apache not restarting on logrotate is off-toppic. didn't exprect that too
1422 [12:32:34] <mazert> freakyy: is you cpu or gpu consumption correct ?
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1424 [12:33:08] <teraflops> _mel_: blaming systemd because of your ignorance is offtopic sorry
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1427 [12:33:47] <freakyy> yes everythings fine
1428 [12:33:51] <freakyy> the game runs without problems
1429 [12:33:56] <freakyy> i have a good pc
1430 [12:34:03] <freakyy> mazert:
1431 [12:34:12] <p0rt> hey, I'm having trouble connecting to wireless networks. Whenever I try to connect, wpa_supplicant disconnects and tells me that pre-shared key may be incorrect, which is not true.
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1433 [12:34:30] <petn-randall> hexnewbie: I wouldn't call that 'supported' though, as it's a huge hack, and I don't quite understand how you can write the sparse file back to the block device without overwriting the sparse file itself.
1434 [12:34:36] <p0rt> it says "reason=3 locally_generated=1"
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1439 [12:37:53] <tMH-> hello everyone.
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1441 [12:39:16] <teraflops> p0rt: what is the exact wireless nic model, also which network manager are you using?
1442 [12:39:17] <tMH-> I have had debian wheezy installed on RK3188 media player, i.e., there's no BIOS, no grub(2) installed etc.. the question: how it is possible to change console resolution?
1443 [12:39:35] <tMH-> set it 80x15, or 640x480...?
1444 [12:39:40] <tMH-> 80x25 even.
1445 [12:39:51] <tMH-> thanks in advance.
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1447 [12:42:11] <petn-randall> _mel_: 1) You can still use plain old sysv init in jessie, nobody is stopping you. 2) Stop spreading FUD, nobody ever mentioned anything about a webserver in kernel mode. 3) You haven't even debugged your issue yet, yet you blame systemd for it. People won't be willing to help you if you continue like that.
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1449 [12:42:44] <mazert> freakyy: and what software do you use ? I stream sometimes with simplescreenrecorder in rmtp without any problems
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1451 [12:43:13] <dearfibonacci> Hello. Kernel related: can boot to working kernel and stuff like that, but when I call from my mono gtk# app "reboot -f " it does actually reboot the system, but stops with(serial log):reading uImage Error reading cluster** Unable to read file uImage **
1452 [12:43:39] <Virgo> should I go for ubuntu or debian?
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1454 [12:44:26] <teraflops> freakyy: idk about red5 but it uses java and the stream uses flash ^. take a look at your cpu load aso check bandwidth and (if it' possible) try to play the video from the lan
1455 [12:44:53] <petn-randall> Virgo: Depends on what your use case is. But you'll probably get a unanimous "Use Debian" from this channel.
1456 [12:45:26] <teraflops> Virgo: use debian ;)
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1459 [12:46:00] <mazert> debian needs some knowledges. If you are a gnu/linux beginner, you can start with xubuntu, and then go to debian.
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1462 [12:46:13] <unborn> Virgo: I was using ubuntu for about 3 years.. defo go with debian. I made switch to debian and its way much better
1463 [12:46:36] <unborn> Virgo: if you new to linux, download non-free iso
1464 [12:46:45] <unborn> it have all drivers in
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1466 [12:47:03] <Virgo> Last time I used debian was a few years ago - back then squeeze was released
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1468 [12:47:08] <Virgo> If I remember well
1469 [12:47:24] <Virgo> unborn that's nice
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1477 [12:50:30] <teraflops> dearfibonacci: arm?
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1487 [12:54:36] <p0rt> teraflops: it's a Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter
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1489 [12:54:44] <p0rt> teraflops: at least lspci says so
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1492 [12:55:19] <unborn> mazert: if he want to use debian for every day computer use - there is not need any knowledge, not with jessie release
1493 [12:55:24] <teraflops> and the network manager? you use NM, /e/n/i ?
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1504 [13:03:53] <tMH-> anyone?
1505 [13:04:01] <p0rt> teraflops: I have NM running
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1516 [13:06:53] <teraflops> p0rt: _only_ NM?
1517 [13:08:31] <petn-randall> p0rt: If an interface is defined in /etc/network/interfaces, it will not be touched by network-manager to avoid conflicts.
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1559 [13:28:34] <_mel_> petn-randall: 1. my first question was how can i debug this! 2. maybe i didn't make it clear at the beginning, but on wheezy the same config runs. so what would be your way of dbugging this?
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1576 [13:40:48] <dearfibonacci> teraflops: ye arm
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1596 [13:49:44] <Gaiseric> Hello everyone! I asked the following 2 days ago, but got no answer, so perhaps it's OK to ask again: Running Jessie here, and I wonder about the recent iceweasel -> firefox-esr update: It doesn't conflict with latest "firefox" from backports if run side-by-side, right? I assume it uses "~/.firefox-esr" for storing the profile?
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1617 [13:56:49] <hellyeah> hey i am using debian jessie
1618 [13:56:58] <hellyeah> anyone use brackers.io here?
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1795 [14:23:22] <CropsUp> Hello, I have a problem with nvidia geforce 750m(proprietary drivers) and vlc, while I'm watching a video that is flickering (mplayer work well). When I change prime-select with intel gpu bug has been gone.
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1818 [14:28:39] <teraflops> CropsUp: vlc sucks, xorg sucks as well and nvidia blob does not help btw. if you google/ddg: linux video flickering you'll make an idea
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1826 [14:29:34] <jmd> What is the correct way in debian to set kernel options in Grub?
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1829 [14:30:00] <teraflops> /etc/default/grub
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1837 [14:31:38] <jmd> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX ??
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1843 [14:32:42] <CropsUp> teraflops, I know it fall down within nvidia and xorg but I have been no problems with kodi and mplayer.
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1845 [14:33:02] <teraflops> jmd: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
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1852 [14:35:32] <teraflops> CropsUp: kodi does a lot of magic like adjusting refresh rate and a pretty good hwdec
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1854 [14:36:09] <teraflops> CropsUp: and imo vlc is getting worse and worse in each release
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1856 [14:36:53] <CropsUp> teraflops, uhm, I'm getting it.
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1858 [14:37:13] <teraflops> CropsUp: if you have a modern intel gpu (I smell intel HD) youre more than fine using it for video playback
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1863 [14:38:03] <CropsUp> teraflops, of curse, I have intel hd on haswell cpu
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1868 [14:39:49] <teraflops> CropsUp: if you do mplayer im pretty sure youll enjoy mpv
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1877 [14:43:06] <Gaiseric> Question (somewhat related to my previous unanswered one): How can I force apt-get to consider a package as "provided"? I'm sure there is a way, but can't find which config I must change. I want to satisfy I rather silly metapackage.
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1879 [14:43:47] <Gaiseric> BTW, +1 for mpv, it's GREAT. And works nicely with vaapi for video acceleration on Haswell
1880 [14:44:09] <markybob> !tell Gaiseric about equivs
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1882 [14:44:26] <Gaiseric> No reason to use discreet graphics for video playback on a dual-gpu system
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1884 [14:44:32] <CropsUp> teraflops, Thanks you!
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1890 [14:46:41] <Gaiseric> s/discreet/discrete/... ugh
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1893 [14:47:17] <Gaiseric> markybob: Thanks! All that because I want to remove iceweasel with removing gnome.... ugh
1894 [14:47:37] <Gaiseric> markybob: Wasn't there a package.provided file or something?
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1959 [15:08:13] <rysiek|pl> dear all, I have a weird ask
1960 [15:08:21] <rysiek|pl> do we have people from Asia here?
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1962 [15:08:56] <rysiek|pl> I need to verify ping times on 3 IPs, and have no host in Asia to do so.
1963 [15:09:16] <rysiek|pl> yes, the hosts are all Debian ;)
1964 [15:09:24] <markybob> rysiek|pl: singapore
1965 [15:09:33] <boubou> hey guys
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1968 [15:09:45] <boubou> I cant monitor disk using snmp
1969 [15:09:53] <markybob> rysiek|pl: sure
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2004 [15:25:00] <rgr> its testing but -next is empty and I need a quick help. where does the system determine where to login via a gui or not. for years I login via command line and then "startx" but now its comping up with some GUI login manager and so Im not getting my xinit and default WM (xmonad) up.
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2006 [15:25:23] <rgr> (just did an update)
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2009 [15:26:27] <somiaj> !nodm
2010 [15:26:28] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
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2014 [15:28:01] <JonBewo> my cronjobs are not running and this is the error message in syslog "Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session"
2015 [15:28:02] <rgr> none of those installed.
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2017 [15:28:09] <rgr> will do
2018 [15:28:26] <JonBewo> debian version 8.5
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2020 [15:28:38] <somiaj> rgr: or do you just want to get your gui manager to correctly load your display manager that is another story
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2087 [15:59:24] <ceerem> hi
2088 [15:59:57] <ceerem> Hm, this doesn't 100% belong into this channel, but still I think that software recomenndations may still somehow fit in here
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2090 [16:00:13] <ceerem> anyhow, I am looking for a CRM that is 1) opensoruce and 2) supports carddav
2091 [16:00:24] <ceerem> because I want to use the contacts I already manage on mail/caldav server
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2093 [16:00:42] <ceerem> it wouldn't make sense to add those imports again - no, this would be horrible because I wouldh have to manage two contact sites :O
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2104 [16:03:49] <abrotman> ceerem: and runs on Debian?
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2106 [16:05:08] <ceerem> abrotman: when it is web based - sure :O
2107 [16:05:18] <ceerem> I want to run as much as possible on linux/debian
2108 [16:05:26] <ceerem> In a VM or container
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2110 [16:05:44] <abrotman> I thought SugarCRM was OSS, but maybe it was just free (not Free)
2111 [16:05:59] <abrotman> oh, it became SuiteCRM
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2117 [16:07:43] <ceerem> abrotman: the seller for me would be that it supports somehow integrating contact data from carddav/exchange/activesync
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2119 [16:07:54] <ceerem> abrotman: I am migrating from outlook horror setup to sogo/imap
2120 [16:08:00] <ceerem> which is nice with openchange and all that
2121 [16:08:06] <ceerem> but the CRM _must_ integrate that data
2122 [16:08:13] <abrotman> I'm not sure about CardDAV support, you'll have to do some research. There are a few others out there also
2123 [16:08:50] <abrotman> ceerem: though, this isn't encouraging ... replaced-url
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2129 [16:12:06] <ceerem> abrotman: hm, how do others use a CRM? I mean, there are contacts, right? and those contacts should be in CRM and mobile phone, etc - hence the need for sync or data integration. And the protocols are all there already - so I wonder that there isn't this feature everywhere...
2130 [16:12:56] <jelly> ceerem: crm software is almost always a framework to add missing functionality and adapt to your workflow (and more than often, adapt your business workflows to whatever software you choose)
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2136 [16:14:10] <ceerem> jelly: aha! so a CRM is more like an extension - for groupware or mail user agents? From that standpoint, what groupware or what kind of software could I use to get this crm integration?
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2141 [16:16:03] <jelly> I suspect it's probably the other way around, you may have to integrate mail and calendar and user directory service to push information into your CRM
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2145 [16:17:16] <ceerem> I see!
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2147 [16:17:39] <ceerem> jelly: but I really want a CRM then that supports those external servers - because I want to use the contacts on mobile, desktop, online, too. Including calendar stuff and all that
2148 [16:17:54] <ceerem> jelly: so I have to look for a CRM that supports IMAP? hmm I guess this is also not trivial
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2150 [16:18:05] <ceerem> maybe CRMs are a thing of past already?
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2154 [16:19:36] <spectie> hey all, how can i pin so that i can get ghc 7.10 instead of 7.6 if i'm using jessie
2155 [16:19:44] <petn-randall> ceerem: owncloud or the nextcloud fork support this. Then there's radicale.
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2157 [16:20:29] <markybob> spectie: 7.10 is in jessie-backports. replaced-url
2158 [16:20:33] <petn-randall> Oh wait, you're looking specifically for CRMs, sorry.
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2162 [16:21:19] <boubou> hey guys
2163 [16:21:21] <boubou> I cant monitor disk using snmp
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2165 [16:21:44] <boubou> I edited my snmpd.conf correctly
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2167 [16:21:56] <boubou> by uncommenting disk lines...
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2169 [16:22:52] <petn-randall> boubou: Do you get any errors from snmpd?
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2171 [16:22:56] <spectie> markybob, thanks!
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2176 [16:23:45] <boubou> petn-randall, how can I check it ?
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2178 [16:24:15] <petn-randall> boubou: Probably /var/log/daemon.log, but you should check the documentation where snmpd logs to.
2179 [16:24:38] <ceerem> petn-randall: radicale? hmm
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2183 [16:25:55] <vlt> During the boot process of a Debian 7 machine I see this error message: "[drm:i915_init] *ERROR* drm/i915 can’t work without intel_agp module!". The X application that should run after boot (x2goclient) doesn’t start. Could this be related? Any idea how to fix this?
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2188 [16:27:01] <ceerem> petn-randall: hm, the card/caldav *dav thing is solved so far - I need the CRM - or as you said the other way around - the CRM + all the requires services
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2190 [16:27:12] <ceerem> but tbh - I always see the CRM as the issue - it must support this integration
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2201 [16:30:53] <spectie> markybob, do you use haskell ?
2202 [16:30:59] <spectie> have you seen this error before? unrecognized option `--extra-prog-path=/home/fran/.cabal/bin'
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2218 [16:36:39] <jak2000> hi all
2219 [16:36:57] <jak2000> how to execute, a .sh command, but seeing tep by step the execution?
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2222 [16:37:40] <greycat> How do you normally execute it? What is the shebang line?
2223 [16:37:51] <spectie> jak2000, bash -X
2224 [16:37:56] <spectie> ops
2225 [16:38:01] <spectie> bash -x <command>
2226 [16:38:02] <greycat> You mean bash -x, lowercase, but that assumes it is a bash script.
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2228 [16:38:14] <greycat> If it's an sh script, then sh -x
2229 [16:38:35] <abrotman> ceerem: I do'nt use a CRM (anymore, yay). It really is up to the company. Some only use them internally
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2233 [16:40:13] <ceerem> abrotman: hm, how do you keep track on customers and proposals/invoices? are there other better tools?
2234 [16:40:25] <ceerem> I really would want some invoice creation that someone with less technical knowledge could use
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2236 [16:40:35] <ceerem> like pdf template as input
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2319 [17:23:03] <mimtf> how can i install vnc server?
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2322 [17:23:59] <markybob> mimtf: are you using gnome?
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2324 [17:24:09] <mimtf> markybob: i don’t know
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2326 [17:24:13] <mimtf> how can i know it?
2327 [17:24:34] <NoImNotNineVolt> are you running debian linux? :P
2328 [17:24:36] <markybob> mimtf: then you probably are. most newbies who dont know are (it's default). apt-get install vino if it's not already installed
2329 [17:24:50] <mimtf> NoImNotNineVolt: yes
2330 [17:24:53] <epsilon> install tightvncserver or any vncserver of your favour - there is no much difference
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2332 [17:25:26] <mimtf> thanks epsilon :)
2333 [17:25:57] <TomTomTosch> but if you have gnome, you probably already have vino, so markybob's suggestion wasn't that bad.
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2337 [17:26:25] <mimtf> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
2338 [17:26:26] <mimtf> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
2339 [17:26:31] <mimtf> what’s wrong?
2340 [17:26:38] <markybob> sudo or su
2341 [17:26:42] <TomTomTosch> " are you root?"
2342 [17:26:46] <mimtf> thanks markybob
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2344 [17:27:13] <markybob> yeah, you have gnome. configure vino
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2350 [17:28:40] <markybob> you do that via gnome-control-center btw
2351 [17:28:57] <mimtf> thanks then how can i use vncserver?
2352 [17:29:45] <jmcnaught> mimtf: if you go to "Settings" there is a sharing icon. on that screen you can configure screen sharing.
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2379 [17:43:24] <moon_> is there anything similar to taskmanager for debian?
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2382 [17:43:58] <croddy> moon_: lots and lots of options. the traditional one is to run 'top' in a terminal
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2384 [17:44:15] <moon_> ok thanks
2385 [17:44:16] <jmcnaught> moon_: as i just told you on OFTC, there is the top command, and desktop environments also have system monitor tools. but please don't cross post
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2389 [17:45:59] <JohnA> has anybody installed debian as a base system for kodi. If so what is the minium config for debain + kodi?
2390 [17:46:22] <greycat> !kodi
2391 [17:46:22] <dpkg> XBMC (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. XBMCbuntu and XBMC Live are Linux distributions based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC, they are not supported in #debian. XBMC v13 ("Gotham") is available from <wheezy-backports>. XBMC will be renamed to Kodi for v14. replaced-url
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2393 [17:46:55] <jmcnaught> JohnA: installing the kodi packages (they're in jessie-backports) should bring in the minimum requirements for it
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2399 [17:48:32] <moon_> thats 4 away to what i set debian's virtual ram to :L
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2401 [17:48:54] <mimtf> how i can connect to vncserver?
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2403 [17:49:25] <sm00th> anybody able to open this page? replaced-url
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2406 [17:50:12] <sm00th> I see whats going on nvm. the https cert is invalid
2407 [17:50:29] <greycat> it's not an https URL
2408 [17:50:37] <sm00th> you have to add it
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2410 [17:50:44] <sm00th> my bad
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2412 [17:51:24] <markybob> dod.mil with an invalid certificate. sounds about right.
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2414 [17:51:34] <sm00th> markybob, pretty sad...
2415 [17:51:44] <JohnA> jmcnaught: That is what I thought should happen. But when I tried to start kodi it blow up because there is no gui installed. as the only thing on the box will be odi, i did not want to install gnome et al from the install as they bring a lot of baggage with themselves.
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2417 [17:51:56] <sm00th> markybob, probably after the latest openssl update i bet.
2418 [17:51:56] <greycat> The more powerful and important an organization is, the worse their IT is.
2419 [17:52:10] <sm00th> :(
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2422 [17:53:05] <JohnA> sm00th: Doonald will fix that!!!
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2424 [17:53:31] <jmcnaught> JohnA: i am not a kodi user, but generally Debian packages will depend on packages that are required, and recommend packages that provide features most people would want (recommends are installed by default). I really doubt that GNOME is a requirement for kodi.
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2430 [17:53:47] <sm00th> sm00th, nah i'm for Hillary, she was smart enough to use her own server lmao. state department servers are still hacked, its crazy.
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2432 [17:54:13] <sm00th> donalds hotels get hacked every couple months, lost of cc's stolen.
2433 [17:54:42] <markybob> it's also offtopic. #debian-offtopic if you want to talk politics
2434 [17:54:55] <sm00th> lol sorry
2435 [17:55:18] <ToTheInternet> apt-get upgrade froze. what do i do? i believe it might have to do with the fact that /var/ ran out of space. i cleared some but apt is still not resuming
2436 [17:55:34] <ToTheInternet> don't want to kill process because of lock file
2437 [17:55:36] <greycat> If you run out of space, it won't hang. It will abort with errors.
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2439 [17:56:08] <greycat> Just Ctrl-C it and run it again, and it'll pick up where it left off, with another mirror name resolution, so possibly using a different mirror that isn't so unresponsive.
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2441 [17:56:22] <ToTheInternet> last thing it said was: preparing to unpack .../redis-server_2%3a3.2.0-3_amd64.deb
2442 [17:56:29] <ToTheInternet> greycat: can't ctrl-C
2443 [17:56:36] <greycat> Oh, unpacking. Not downloading. Yeah, don't interrupt that one.
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2446 [17:56:48] <ToTheInternet> it won't let me anyway
2447 [17:56:58] <greycat> What do you mean?
2448 [17:56:59] <JohnA> jmcnaught: thhats what I thought, well I will try installing a lxde and see what happens?
2449 [17:57:00] <greycat> Did you try?
2450 [17:57:05] <ToTheInternet> greycat: yes
2451 [17:57:27] <greycat> You hit Ctrl-C and nothing happened? Then it's probably in Ctrl-S state. Try pressing Ctrl-Q.
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2453 [17:57:42] <ToTheInternet> greycat: nothing
2454 [17:57:50] <ToTheInternet> ctrl-D maybe?
2455 [17:57:51] <greycat> Maybe the entire computer is locked up.
2456 [17:57:53] <ChrisH> check ps -efl
2457 [17:58:05] <greycat> No, don't make up keystrokes. Ctrl-S/Ctrl-Q is a very specific thing.
2458 [17:58:06] <jmcnaught> JohnA: any DE or WM that you want to use should be fine
2459 [17:58:27] <ToTheInternet> ChrisH: it shows me a lot of output, what am i looking for exactly?
2460 [17:58:30] <greycat> Is *anything* responding at all on that computer?
2461 [17:58:39] <greycat> Ah, ps ran. So it's not totally locked.
2462 [17:58:40] <ToTheInternet> greycat: yes, everything is
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2464 [17:58:49] <ToTheInternet> i'm writing from that computer as we speak
2465 [17:59:17] <ChrisH> ToTheInternet: check the processes spawned from your update. and check dmesg
2466 [17:59:19] <ToTheInternet> the apt-get process has 4% CPU usage and 0.2% memory usage
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2472 [18:00:46] <cdb23ax> hello i cant shutdown debian without power off. init 0 always gives The system is going DOWN to maintenance mode in 1 minute!
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2475 [18:01:23] <greycat> The regular commands for shutdown and reboot are "shutdown -h" and "shutdown -r" respectively. Debian 8 no longer uses numeric run levels.
2476 [18:01:33] <cdb23ax> this message repeats every minute but the system is running
2477 [18:02:36] <ToTheInternet> ChrisH: it has one child process, dpkg
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2480 [18:03:21] <ToTheInternet> ChrisH: and dpkg has one child process itself, which is /bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/redis-server.prerm upgrade 2:3.2.0-3
2481 [18:03:34] <cdb23ax> The system is going down to maintenance mode NOW! and then The system is going DOWN to maintenance mode in 1 minute!
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2484 [18:03:45] <cdb23ax> i issued a shutdown -h now
2485 [18:04:13] <cdb23ax> then after a minute The system is going down to maintenance mode NOW! and The system is going DOWN to maintenance mode in 1 minute! the same messages again
2486 [18:04:31] <jmcnaught> cdb23ax: what does "systemctl poweroff" do?
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2493 [18:06:42] <ChrisH> ToTheInternet: I would now use strace/truss -p on the PID of the extracting process
2494 [18:06:44] <cdb23ax> systemctl poweroff -akhPnc -t now says shutdown: not running.
2495 [18:07:35] <ToTheInternet> ChrisH: wait4(-1,
2496 [18:08:02] <ToTheInternet> thats the output of sudo strace -p 29488
2497 [18:08:04] <jelly> ToTheInternet: add -f to the strace options.
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2499 [18:08:15] <cdb23ax> systemctl poweroff without any params wont do anything it just shows me the arguments
2500 [18:08:23] <ToTheInternet> jelly: same output
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2503 [18:08:55] <jelly> ToTheInternet: then figure out which child process it's waiting for, and strace that one
2504 [18:09:41] <jelly> pstree may be useful
2505 [18:09:45] <ToTheInternet> systemctl
2506 [18:09:47] <ToTheInternet> ppoll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, NULL, NULL, 8
2507 [18:09:54] <jelly> ha
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2515 [18:10:19] <jelly> welcome to asynchronous bus land.
2516 [18:10:48] <ToTheInternet> thanks. how did i end up here though
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2518 [18:11:21] <JohnA> jmcnaught: sorry away for 5. Thanks I picked cinnamon. but I am not sure if I am going to get a bunch of extraneous stuff. I think I need to take a look at a minimum graphic install - "google is yur freind" I think!
2519 [18:11:41] <ToTheInternet> jelly: this is pstree | grep redis
2520 [18:11:43] <ToTheInternet> sudo---apt-get---dpkg---redis-server.pr---invoke-rc.d---systemctl---systemd-tty-ask
2521 [18:11:45] <greycat> Pretty sure Google viral marketing came up with tha tone.
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2523 [18:12:13] <greycat> systemd-tty-ask makes it sound like it thinks it's asking you a question on a terminal
2524 [18:12:41] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ man -k tty-ask
2525 [18:12:42] <greycat> systemd-tty-ask-password-agent (1) - List or process pending systemd password...
2526 [18:12:56] <greycat> Dear god, what....
2527 [18:13:19] <ToTheInternet> hm...
2528 [18:13:21] <jelly> ToTheInternet: ho-hum, that -tty-ask thing implies you should be getting a question in the controling tty...
2529 [18:13:22] <jmcnaught> JohnA: personally i wouldn't worry too much about how much gets installed
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2531 [18:13:36] <ToTheInternet> there is no question, i hit return numerous times
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2533 [18:13:51] <ToTheInternet> the terminal is responsive, it does a line break, but nothing happens
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2535 [18:14:29] <ToTheInternet> i also tried to put in y and then return
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2537 [18:14:40] <jelly> ToTheInternet: short and dirty answer: I'd kill just the leaf systemd-tty-ask process; longer answer: don't touch anything, ask in #debian-systemd over of OFTC
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2541 [18:15:09] <jelly> over on* irc.OFTC.net (also known as irc.debian.org)
2542 [18:15:17] <ToTheInternet> jelly: its 6.15 pm, the short answer is very tempting
2543 [18:15:30] <DoberMann> hi, i'm trying to find debian-8.2.0-armhf-DVD-2.iso and i can't find it anywhere on the internet
2544 [18:15:34] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2546 [18:15:58] <JohnA> jmcnaught: I agree, except that for two things 1 the junk takes up space - not a problem as I have a largish HDD. 2 - I can interfere with things like sys main - all those extra packages that nobody uses but which keep getting updated. 2a - those packages might provide an attack vector.
2547 [18:16:20] <jelly> DoberMann: under replaced-url
2548 [18:16:32] <DoberMann> generally speaking there seems to be missing DVDs and CD isos for armhf (only the first 3 CDs and the first DVD are available)
2549 [18:16:40] <DoberMann> jelly: no :/
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2551 [18:17:22] <DoberMann> jelly: jigdo does not work either
2552 [18:17:33] <jelly> DoberMann: that's a bug to be reported, then
2553 [18:17:33] <wobelingers> replaced-url
2554 [18:17:38] <wobelingers> replaced-url
2555 [18:17:47] <jelly> wobelingers: yes, what about it?
2556 [18:18:03] <jmcnaught> JohnA: if your kodi system will be accessible to the public internet they sure, worry about it. But i've seen people sink a lot of hours into saving what amounts to a few hundred megabytes, often struggling with stuff that doesn't work because recommended packages are missing
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2559 [18:19:17] <wobelingers> replaced-url
2560 [18:19:20] <ToTheInternet> jelly: killed systemd-tty-ask process, nothing happened
2561 [18:19:35] <ToTheInternet> except systemd now has a child process that is DEFUNCT
2562 [18:19:37] <wobelingers> you can find
2563 [18:20:03] <ToTheInternet> sorry, systemctl i mean
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2566 [18:20:31] <markybob> wobelingers: no. there's no armhf dvd2 there
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2569 [18:20:58] <jelly> and there's definitely no "old jessie point release dvd image"
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2573 [18:22:18] <jelly> DoberMann: I feel your pain. The only way I can think of that jigdo could be recreated was to pinpoint it at the right timestamp for jessie, somewhere on snapshot.debian.org
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2579 [18:23:21] <jelly> DoberMann: and if you can do it, you might as well just add that timestamped repo to your installation directly
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2589 [18:25:15] <jelly> DoberMann: see /msg dpkg sdo, and /msg dpkg 8.2 for an approximate timestamp to pick
2590 [18:25:36] <JohnA> Installing Cinnamon gets kodi working! but breaks a couple of other things, I suspect that its how I did the install not the apps themselves - I cut a few corners - me bad. I'll do a reinstall and see how it goes. Thanks for the help
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2602 [18:27:46] <cdb23ax> can someone help? i cannot shutdown my debian box where xen is running on it
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2604 [18:27:55] <DoberMann> jelly: i've already though of this workaound, but this is a bit dirty (my aim is to use ISOs as local repository for a bunch of servers)
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2607 [18:28:33] <ToTheInternet> jelly: i killed the parent of systemd-tty-ask which was systemctl. then apt gave a warning and moved on to the next package. now its hanging again, and there is a new systemd-tty-ask process...
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2615 [18:31:32] <gluon> assuming i'm keeping my own repo of a few repackaged debs would listing my repo as the first source at sources.list be all i need to make sure my own packages would be installed/upgraded instead of the official ones?
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2620 [18:32:54] <sondr3> I just installed Debian on my Hetzner server, and I get "perl: warning: Setting locale failed.", how do I properly set my locale for this to go away?
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2626 [18:34:16] <Zodo> Anyone here use pidgin?
2627 [18:34:19] <jelly> sondr3: pastebin the output of "locale" in that shell, please
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2629 [18:34:26] <Zodo> Know where the default sounds are stored?
2630 [18:34:26] <jelly> !paste
2631 [18:34:27] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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2639 [18:35:15] <jelly> Zodo: dpkg -L pidgin-data | grep wav
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2641 [18:35:36] <Zodo> Thank you jelly.
2642 [18:35:40] <sondr3> jelly: replaced-url
2643 [18:36:10] <ToTheInternet> jelly, was able to get apt-get to stop, then did dpkg --configure -a and it ran sucessfully. then i had to do apt-get -f install to fix the broken redis install, and now it froze again
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2645 [18:36:34] <sondr3> I googled it too and people said to add "AcceptEnv LANG LC_*" to sshd_config but it was already there
2646 [18:36:34] <ToTheInternet> could be a bug with the package, right? should i report to redis mailing list?
2647 [18:36:45] <jelly> sondr3: LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 ... "UTF-8" locale exists on Mac OS X, and the ssh client transfers it to your Linux, but it is not legal on Debian
2648 [18:36:59] <sondr3> oh, okay
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2650 [18:37:20] <Zodo> Default sound behavior for pidgin is horrible.
2651 [18:37:34] <jelly> sondr3: in fact, the existence of that AcceptEnv is what creates the issue.
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2653 [18:37:47] <sondr3> yeah, I read the StackOverflow question wrong
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2656 [18:38:25] <jelly> ToTheInternet: ask the systemd people what to do next and where the hell that tty ask process ends up writing to
2657 [18:38:26] <sondr3> jelly: thanks, removing that worked
2658 [18:38:32] <greycat> jelly: well, accepting LANG is fine, but you may have to translate it. It's better to have the client's spelling so you CAN translate it, than to blithely and wrongly guess.
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2663 [18:38:55] <jelly> greycat: it's not LANG, it's LC_CTYPE
2664 [18:39:16] <jelly> and the OSX one just does not exist on Debian's glibc locale
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2667 [18:40:00] <jelly> we could accomodate Mac users and create an extra alias for C.UTF-8 maybe
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2670 [18:40:32] <jelly> but that AcceptEnv typically just causes more trouble than it's worth
2671 [18:40:33] <unborn> Zodo: use xchat or hexchat
2672 [18:40:35] <jhutchins> Zodo: Pidgin voice conferencing has been "almost working" for at least ten years.
2673 [18:41:01] <Zodo> I won't elaborate because. *I'm in an unsupported state*
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2676 [18:41:13] <jelly> state of confusion?
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2678 [18:41:31] <Zodo> I haven't even attempted voice stuff. Just trying to prevent the Bursting beep altering my sound levels.
2679 [18:42:10] <Zodo> State of Debian 7.5
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2681 [18:43:10] <jelly> Zodo: disable sounds and leave it at that?
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2683 [18:43:48] <hiya> is there a way to factory reset Debian installation without reinstalling it from Web Panel in case of KVM hostings / VPS?
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2687 [18:44:09] <Zodo> nah, I'm working with the command line option now. paplay --volume=62258 /usr/share/sounds/purple/send.wav
2688 [18:44:29] <Zodo> That's what I have thus far. Reducing the sound just enough to prevent the blast.
2689 [18:44:41] <greycat> hiya: I strongly doubt it. Even if you purged and reinstalled each package one by one, there is still some non-package state that's set during installation (hostname, etc.).
2690 [18:44:48] <sm00th> ya thats the only problem i have with debian.
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2692 [18:45:11] <sm00th> when settings balance levels, or surround sound speaker levels. once another sound source places they all revert
2693 [18:45:17] <greycat> (and you *can't* purge any of the packages that are required to run dpkg, because you'd be dead)
2694 [18:45:23] <sm00th> alsot he master volume from panel reverts them.
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2696 [18:47:19] <sm00th> arch and fedora also ahve this issue, only ubuntu and mint don't.
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2699 [18:47:39] <cdb23ax> okay even a kill -9 1 2 3 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 23 25 26 27 28 30 31 32 33 35 36 37 38 40 41 42 43 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 60 61 62 67 68 69 71 119 120 121 122 124 126 128 129 130 131 139 140 142 143 156 157 164 171 173 182 187 188 192 212 259 265 268 326 327 531 533 580 597 2779 3304 7321 7331 7658 8918 11230 13268 19314 22999 24545 24552 25689 25755 27392 28104 28106 28853 28855 28856 29130 29131 2
2700 [18:47:39] <cdb23ax> 9142 29233 29370 29378
2701 [18:47:39] <cdb23ax> did not solve my issue
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2704 [18:47:51] <cdb23ax> the server is up and i dont know what to do
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2706 [18:48:05] <greycat> cdb23ax: just pulling the power cable would have been less destructive
2707 [18:48:28] <unborn> hiya: that is not very much advised - if that is server reinstall is always best bet
2708 [18:48:33] <jhutchins> cdb23ax: Can you power cycle it?
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2710 [18:48:47] <cdb23ax> no iam not infront of it
2711 [18:48:58] <unborn> hiya: only if you have snapshot and your hosting supports it
2712 [18:49:11] <cdb23ax> my problem is that i need the ip adress elsewhere and i only have 5 ip adresses to use
2713 [18:49:33] <hiya> Ok thanks
2714 [18:49:33] <hiya> :
2715 [18:49:35] <hiya> :D
2716 [18:49:38] <hiya> I would reinstall from Web Panel now
2717 [18:49:38] <hiya> :D
2718 [18:49:45] <cdb23ax> is there some way to temporary kill the network service so that it wont came back up until next reboot?
2719 [18:50:07] <unborn> yeah
2720 [18:50:07] <greycat> cdb23ax: ifdown eth0 (etc.)
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2722 [18:50:23] <unborn> cdb23ax: ^^^
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2724 [18:50:30] <Zodo> Thank you jelly. That tiny bit was enough for me to patch and resolve my issue. (Functional work around)
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2726 [18:50:39] <cdb23ax> root@debian:/home/xen# ifdown eth0
2727 [18:50:39] <cdb23ax> root@debian:/home/xen#
2728 [18:50:39] <cdb23ax> root@debian:/home/xen#
2729 [18:50:39] <cdb23ax> root@debian:/home/xen#
2730 [18:50:39] <cdb23ax> root@debian:/home/xen#
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2733 [18:51:05] <jhutchins> cdb23ax: have you tried systemctl --force reboot?
2734 [18:51:07] <cdb23ax> okay i did a ifdown eth0 and iam a little bit confused now
2735 [18:51:11] <greycat> Of course you have to specify the interaces that are actually in use.
2736 [18:51:17] <cdb23ax> because the eth0 is not down :D
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2738 [18:51:22] <greycat> One would expect you to *check* that first.
2739 [18:51:38] <cdb23ax> systemctl: invalid option -- '-'
2740 [18:52:03] <sm00th> a normal shutdown doesn't work?
2741 [18:52:06] <jhutchins> Hrmn. Let me dig a bit deeper for the syntax. I'd try systemctl reboot --force next.
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2743 [18:52:42] <sm00th> shutdown -h now?
2744 [18:52:47] <jelly> cdb23ax: which debian release is this supposed to be again?
2745 [18:53:00] <sm00th> or I think i normally just do shutdown now
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2747 [18:53:25] <cdb23ax> its debian jessie
2748 [18:53:41] <jelly> jhutchins: the manual page states "systemctl --force reboot" is legal, but... this is systemd documentation we're talking about
2749 [18:53:42] <greycat> You still need to check which interfaces are in use.
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2752 [18:53:57] <sondr3> how do I change how my system was partitioned? It gave / 1TB of space which is a bit overkill for my needs
2753 [18:54:01] <jhutchins> jelly: Yeah, that was last week.
2754 [18:54:21] <cdb23ax> okay ifconfig br0 down did it
2755 [18:54:24] <jhutchins> also systemctl -f reboot, or systemctl reboot -f
2756 [18:54:25] <jelly> I'd go with sysrq ;-)
2757 [18:54:32] <bezaban> sm00th: OT, but 'shutdown now' can be bad on some other distros (not sure if they fixed it). If done remotely you may put the machine in single user mode without network ;) (friend did that to about 150 machines once)
2758 [18:54:48] <sm00th> bezaban, oh I see
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2760 [18:55:08] <sm00th> bezaban, man that must of sucked lol
2761 [18:55:13] <jhutchins> bezaban: There's some variation as to whether "shutdown" includes "halt". Ususally shutdown -h now will halt, but not always.
2762 [18:55:47] <jhutchins> afik in posix shutdown != halt.
2763 [18:55:49] <jelly> it's not a real halt unless you get back to PROM prompt!
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2891 [19:50:53] <LVLAaron> replaced-url
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2903 [19:53:50] <allure> Samba server is asking for password for some users and not for others when it was not supposed to ask for a password and logs won't give me anything for some reason. This is the config: replaced-url
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2912 [19:58:12] <plum> hi
2913 [19:59:35] <plum> on debian jessie, I have a script running when network comes on (/etc/network/if-up.d/), but it can't seem to input data into files...
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2915 [20:00:18] <plum> I don't see any errors, and it can create files via touch, but actually echoing information into said files just doesn't happen
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2978 [20:21:49] <supermick007> hi
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2996 [20:24:00] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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3002 [20:25:18] <tobiasBora> I would like to send ping commands from a local network dedicated to VM to test some basic routing functions without running a VM. Is it possible ?
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3004 [20:26:40] <jhutchins> tobiasBora: You might want to use something like nmap that can send TCP/UDP packaets instead of ICMP.
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3011 [20:27:29] <glassres1stor> somiaj: your advice helped me a bunch yesterday
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3015 [20:30:37] <tobiasBora> jhutchins: Well... I'm not sure to be clear. I have a VM whose hostname is "vma.myvm.com". From my desktop, when I do "ping vma.myvm.com" I have an "unknow name or service". but when I do it from the VM I don't have any problem. So I would like to test "within the bridge" this command to see if I can then try to forward *.myvm.com into this bridge.
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3018 [20:31:09] <greycat> It's just name resolution. Try pinging the IP instead.
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3021 [20:31:50] <plum> is /etc/network/if-up.d changed in debian jessie?
3022 [20:32:00] <plum> I've been having no success using scripts in it
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3025 [20:34:06] <jhutchins> tobiasBora: C'mon, what does "unknown name" tell you?
3026 [20:34:15] <jhutchins> tobiasBora: It's a very specific error.
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3029 [20:34:33] <jhutchins> Ah, grecat gave it away.
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3061 [20:46:54] <Zliba> i have a HP DL350 G5 Proliant server.... The fans are running at full power, and about 2/3 of them are running unnecessarily. The server won't boot if I remove the fans. Are there ways I can control these fans via the OS?
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3063 [20:47:17] <Zliba> specifically the hard drive fans, I want to turn off. There are no hard drives in the server....
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3069 [20:48:19] <hexnewbie> Zliba: I am not familiar with this kind of server, but you can try the fancontrol package.
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3071 [20:48:29] <Zliba> ok cool
3072 [20:49:08] <jelly> Zliba: is iLO2 configured?
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3074 [20:50:47] <jelly> log in to ilo, there are thermal settings to be configured there. The fans are supposed to decrease in rate shortly after boot anyway.
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3076 [20:51:21] <Zliba> jelly, probably not configured. that would be in bios?
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3079 [20:51:31] <jelly> iLO has its own firmware
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3081 [20:51:55] <Zliba> configurable at boot, before the OS loads?
3082 [20:52:10] <jelly> yes
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3087 [20:54:50] <abrotman> could just wedge a toothpick in there ... /me returns to being unhelful ...
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3098 [20:58:10] <KALASH> I'm on jessie. I do apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade but it says linux-image-amd64 has been kept back. What can be done?
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3101 [20:59:07] <greycat> Install that package explicitly with apt-get install.
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3104 [21:00:43] <KALASH> Yeah I tried that before but then I remembered I was on backports kernel so it is working now. Thanks.
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3109 [21:02:36] <jelly> Zliba: read the manual, there may be a way to replace a fan with a dummy (of course, you'd need a HP spare part dummy)
3110 [21:02:54] <Zliba> cool; thanks jelly
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3112 [21:05:00] <jelly> on DL proliants (rack mountable) you need all the front disk fans when you have all cpu sockets populated
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3114 [21:05:34] <jelly> if you only have one cpu, 2/6 fans are dummy placeholders I think
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3120 [21:07:21] <somiaj> glassres1stor: good, glad you finally got it to work out
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3124 [21:09:15] <guardian> hello, trying to ask here because I got no lock on oftc :( I can preseed debian 8.5 but when I try with debian 9.0 alpha6 it doesn't work: d-i brings me back to menu string after giving the boot command
3125 [21:09:19] <guardian> how can I troubleshoot please?
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3129 [21:09:43] <somiaj> guardian: is your goal to test the debian installer or is it to install testing? Using the testing installer is not the suggested way to install testing.
3130 [21:09:45] <guardian> I suspect network is not working so debian's 9 d-i can't reach the http server, but I don't know how to troubleshoot that
3131 [21:09:50] <guardian> is there a console I can get into?
3132 [21:09:54] <guardian> are there logs I can inspect?
3133 [21:09:57] <greycat> This is definitely not the right place to ask about the pre-releases of d-i. Try #debian-boot on OFTC.
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3135 [21:10:27] <guardian> somiaj: my goal is to switch for stable to testing, in the contest of automatised provisionned vagrant boxes
3136 [21:11:17] <guardian> greycat: I asked there :( go no reply at all, not even "fuck you go away noob user"
3137 [21:11:39] <somiaj> guardian: I'm unsure on how to debug it, but the testing installer is known to be broken and is not the way it is suggested to install testing
3138 [21:11:42] <somiaj> !testing installer
3139 [21:11:42] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
3140 [21:11:53] <somiaj> guardian: if your goal is to install testing, just use your debian preseed, then dist-upgrade.
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3142 [21:12:18] <somiaj> guardian: if your goal is to test the debian installer, then you should try #debian-boot or #debian-installer on irc.oftc.net as someone there may know how to debug issues you run into.
3143 [21:12:20] <guardian> somiaj: fair enough, but my experiment could turn into testing the installer
3144 [21:12:26] <guardian> somiaj: if only I had some guidance
3145 [21:12:53] <guardian> thanks for replying me
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3148 [21:13:51] <somiaj> guardian: no problem, just most here use the suggest way to install testing so not many are knowledagable on how to debug issues with the testing installer
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3166 [21:22:12] <jhutchins> guardian: WHen you get into more specialised topices like "testing installer", you're dealing with a much smaller population. The chance of finding a critical mass on-line at any given moment goes way down.
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3170 [21:22:54] <jhutchins> guardian: Your best bet then becomes mailing lists rather than irc. Mailing lists have persistence, and can sweep up a greater population over a much less dense set of candidates.
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3173 [21:24:21] <allure> Samba server is asking for password for some users and not for others when it was not supposed to ask for a password and logs won't give me anything for some reason. This is the config: replaced-url
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3175 [21:24:59] <jhutchins> allure: Turn up the verbosity in the logs (this is a major performance hit, turn it down/off when you're done.)
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3177 [21:25:24] <jhutchins> allure: Are all machines verifeid as properly joined to the domain?
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3180 [21:25:58] <jhutchins> allure: My guess would be that you have machines that aren't (password) and that are (nopassword).
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3199 [21:35:13] <guardian> jhutchins: thanks
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3207 [21:39:21] <R4F_Debian> Hi all, I would like to know if it is a good idea updating my kernel in Debian Jessie 8.5. Current release is Linux r4 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
3208 [21:39:59] <somiaj> R4F_Debian: yes you should always run the updated jessie kernel (3.16), it contains vital security fixes
3209 [21:40:23] <somiaj> R4F_Debian: or are you asking if you should update it to the jessie-backports kernel 4.5 (or is it 4.6)?
3210 [21:40:50] <R4F_Debian> Hi somiaj ! In the case, I just use "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get upgrade
3211 [21:41:14] <somiaj> R4F_Debian: running apt-get upgrade after apt-get dist-uprade will do nothing
3212 [21:41:25] <R4F_Debian> yes, in the case, is that a good idea using jessie-backports for kernel 4.5 ?
3213 [21:41:33] <somiaj> R4F_Debian: yes you should let apt upgrade your kernel (as it will be upgrading it to one that has security support)
3214 [21:41:46] <somiaj> R4F_Debian: I wouldn't no use the jessie-backports kernel unless you have specific hardware which does not work with the 3.16 kernel
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3219 [21:43:24] <R4F_Debian> hum, no somiaj, in this case, I don't use specific hardware that doesn't work ok with 3.16. Just thought about it because I use 'btrfs' in my Debian Jessie, and I was suggested to use a more updated kernel in order to provide more stability to the file system
3220 [21:44:20] <R4F_Debian> surely your Debian Power User point of view is quite important for me
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3224 [21:45:06] <somiaj> R4F_Debian: I perosnally just use ext? so unsure about that.
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3226 [21:45:22] <greycat> If you're the kind of person who enjoys playing with Latest And Bloodiest File Systems, then perhaps Debian stable is not the right OS for you.
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3231 [21:45:55] <R4F_Debian> I see somiaj, I used ext4 and xfs exclusively, but I have two Debian Installations using btrfs ( 11 Debian Installations total )
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3233 [21:45:58] <somiaj> R4F_Debian: the jessie-backport kernels get less testing and sometimes have bugs/issues due to this. But if you have a specific reason to run the jessie-backport kernel it won't hurt to try it. You can install it side by side with the offical 3.16 kernel and have them both isntalled
3234 [21:46:43] <somiaj> R4F_Debian: I just have been talking in #debain-next about various issues with the 4.5 and 4.6 kernels and so due to not being as well tested I only suggest them if you have a very specific reason to use it.
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3236 [21:46:44] <R4F_Debian> yes, somiaj, I remember I did it one year ago
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3238 [21:47:08] <R4F_Debian> Hi mtn !
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3240 [21:47:23] <mtn> R4F_Debian: hi there
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3242 [21:47:49] <R4F_Debian> I see somiaj, could you tell me, please which sort of issues people have been experiencing using 4.5 and 4.6 ?
3243 [21:47:56] <somiaj> R4F_Debian: the kernels are provided for you and can be installed and used just fine. So there will be no harm in testing if they work for your needs. They just have slower security support and are not as well tested as the offical 3.16 kernel
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3245 [21:47:59] <R4F_Debian> Nice to see you again, mtn ! :)
3246 [21:48:03] <dutchfish> hi, installing a newer kernel 4.6 from bpo into jessie/X86_64, while trying to update intel-microcode to bpo, reverts back to the intel-microcode from stable on the next update/upgrade cycle. In any case the module insnt loaded on boot. Anyone can shed a light on this?
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3249 [21:48:22] <somiaj> R4F_Debian: the one now is some video flikering issue with i915, could be specific to the hardware in question.
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3251 [21:48:55] <XndrK> I'm using Jessie and am trying to figure out how to connect to a WiFi network. Everyone else can use it, and when I used Fedora on the same network it could find it automatically, but now it won't show up.
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3254 [21:49:00] <somiaj> dutchfish: this is strange, how did you install the intel-mircocode from jessie-backports?
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3257 [21:49:30] <R4F_Debian> I see, somiaj, but in my case, it is not useful such an upgrade, for I have been running EXT4 and XFS and they are nice, fast, stable and secure. Doesn't make sense upgrading my kernel, according your analysis. So, I will do it now
3258 [21:49:31] <somiaj> XndrK: first you need to see how you are configuring your network. Are you using the debian /etc/network/interfaces file or some other tool like network-manager.
3259 [21:49:48] <dutchfish> somiaj, i dont understand that question but, this seams to me the drill `sudo aptitude -t jessie-backports install intel-microcode iucode-tools
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3263 [21:50:14] <somiaj> dutchfish: and then when you run aptitude upgrade it wants to install the version from jessie?
3264 [21:50:26] <dutchfish> somiaj, yup, exactly
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3267 [21:50:32] <R4F_Debian> ok, Thanks for technical explanation, somiaj, and for Great Support ! :)
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3270 [21:50:57] <somiaj> dutchfish: that is strange, once you install a package from jessie backports it shouldn't try to downgrade it.
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3272 [21:51:10] <dutchfish> somiaj, i think so too.
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3274 [21:51:34] <somiaj> dutchfish: can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy intel-microcode' after you have installed the version from jessie-backports at paste.debian.net
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3279 [21:51:57] <dutchfish> somiaj, fyi, dmsg reports an error as well, that the respective module is not loaded.
3280 [21:52:18] <dutchfish> somiaj, sure, hold on
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3283 [21:53:56] <R4F_Debian> <greycat> If you're the kind of person who enjoys playing with Latest And Bloodiest File Systems, then perhaps Debian stable is not the right OS for you.
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3286 [21:54:49] <dutchfish> somiaj, replaced-url
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3289 [21:55:25] <R4F_Debian> greycat, not so sure if this comment you've done was directed to me, but, I simply don't have any doubt about Debian Jessie for me. That is my Primary OS, I use it for several activities, including job activities, I Love Debian, and will not never replace it by another OS
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3292 [21:56:25] <R4F_Debian> about you Debian Point of view, I agree. That's why Debian is Perfect for me. for no other OS can be so stable, fast and sophisticated by the same time as Debian does
3293 [21:56:57] <XndrK> somiaj: Sorry I'm late, sidetracked.
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3295 [21:57:01] <Serialbox> R4F_Debian: I enjoy the latest and bloodiest file systems. Debian has more than one release you can use :)
3296 [21:57:09] <XndrK> I'm using mate-network-manager
3297 [21:57:11] <dutchfish> somiaj, i am not sure, but i 'believe' the microcode of bpo is lagging behind.
3298 [21:57:12] <Serialbox> stretch works pretty fine/stable for my desktop
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3300 [21:57:44] <jelly> R4F_Debian: let's be explicit here: btrfs is alpha-quality, software in development. If you want to test it, make sure you use their latest userspace and their best supported kernel space too. None of that is in debian stable.
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3302 [21:58:25] <dutchfish> somiaj, or we have a naming issue.
3303 [21:58:26] <Serialbox> jelly: cuz nothing about btrfs is stable :)
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3305 [21:58:46] <somiaj> dutchfish: yea the version in jessie looks almost identical (besides for the backport patches vs the debian patches) and so I would just use the one from jessie. Any other issues you are having besides it wanted to install the one from jessie?
3306 [21:59:02] <dutchfish> somiaj, in any case the respective module is not loaded.
3307 [21:59:06] <dutchfish> somiaj, yes.
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3309 [21:59:15] <jelly> Serialbox: I didn't say that.
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3311 [21:59:35] <Serialbox> jelly: I'm violently agreeing with you
3312 [21:59:42] <dutchfish> somiaj, it doesnt load the microcode, since this bios is not that well supported, this rig needs it, for the brand new cpu.
3313 [21:59:46] <R4F_Debian> I see, Serialbox, but I have to learn a lot from Debian Project. Still newbie here, and 3.16 is really fun for me, for it is quite stable. :) Other question is: I really don't have any specific issue about my current kernel 3.16, it is nice and perfect here.
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3315 [21:59:59] <Serialbox> Linux bender 4.6.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.1-1 (2016-06-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux
3316 [22:00:01] <Serialbox> seems okay
3317 [22:00:09] <dutchfish> somiaj, thaks for trying, i delve further into it.
3318 [22:00:15] <dutchfish> thanks*
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3320 [22:00:24] <somiaj> dutchfish: what is the output of dmesg that says it is not loading the microcode
3321 [22:00:32] <zykotick9> Serialbox: nit-picking-point, actually debian only has 1 release... testing/sid are not releases, they're the development arms for stable (the release).
3322 [22:00:44] <Serialbox> zykotick9: I stand corrected
3323 [22:00:49] <R4F_Debian> Hi jelly, nice to see you again ! :)
3324 [22:00:56] <dutchfish> somiaj, dmesg report zilch, except for [ 0.912471] microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.01 <tigran@aivazian.fsnet.co.uk>, Peter Oruba
3325 [22:01:00] <somiaj> dutchfish: replaced-url
3326 [22:01:01] <Serialbox> but you can install/use them just like you can use wheezy/jessie
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3328 [22:01:25] <dutchfish> somiaj, i think that the case, yes.
3329 [22:01:25] <zykotick9> Serialbox: true.... if you want to deal with issues ;)
3330 [22:01:37] <Serialbox> zykotick9: I honestly don't have many for a desktop usage scenario
3331 [22:01:41] <somiaj> dutchfish: That message to me doesn't look like it is failing to load the microcode, it looks like it is loading it.
3332 [22:01:45] <Serialbox> "stretch" appears pretty good right now
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3334 [22:02:03] <allure> jhutchins: sorry, had to run off since someone decided to crash against my garage :/
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3337 [22:02:12] <gluon> if for some reason i want to keep a local repo with my own version of the weechat package, what's the best way to prioritise it over the official one? using preferences with a pin-priority higher for my repo?
3338 [22:02:21] * zykotick9 saw someone mention you can't currently downgrade from stable->stretch at the moment... just sayin'
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3342 [22:02:42] <greycat> Or ever.
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3344 [22:02:46] <R4F_Debian> well, jelly, according my short, but quite well succeeded experience using Debian Stable, I prefer continuing like that. That's why I intend to reinstall this Debian Jessie installation with XFS again
3345 [22:02:50] <Serialbox> zykotick9: given all my data is stored on a proper stable server, I'm not worried about flattening my desktop
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3347 [22:03:06] <zykotick9> greycat: i was just meaning "downgrade" in the sense of moving to testing.
3348 [22:03:08] <Serialbox> R4F_Debian: why the push for xfs?
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3351 [22:03:29] <dutchfish> somiaj, installing the one from sid, solved it: sudo iucode-tool -S |> iucode-tool: system has processor(s) with signature [mcode]
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3354 [22:03:43] <Serialbox> ext4 works fine for most desktop type load I believe
3355 [22:03:46] <somiaj> gluon: that is probabaly the easiest. The other is add an epoch to your version to make it always bigger than the offical version
3356 [22:03:49] <dutchfish> somiaj, it works now, i will pin the one from sid.
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3358 [22:03:56] <somiaj> gluon: note the epoch could have consequences downthe road.
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3362 [22:04:09] <dutchfish> somiaj, thanks again.
3363 [22:04:17] <somiaj> dutchfish: I woudln't do that. Just use the one from jessie.
3364 [22:04:19] <gluon> somiaj: thanks!
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3366 [22:04:41] <somiaj> dutchfish: looking at the tracker the version in sid should be the same as the one in jessie you have installed
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3368 [22:04:49] <dutchfish> somiaj, then i got errors on iucode-tool > module not loaded
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3370 [22:04:51] <somiaj> dutchfish: and pinning sid packages in jessie is bad ju ju
3371 [22:04:57] <R4F_Debian> I use large files, its optimized to manage large files in size, and it is quite fast here. In fact, I use EXT4 and XFS. For PostgreSQL loading and administering tables and indexes, I prefer using XFS. For common activities in desktop environment, EXT4 is fine for me
3372 [22:05:00] <jelly> gluon: merely higher pinning priority won't be enough once debian stable has a newer version.
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3374 [22:05:07] <dutchfish> somiaj, i know ... mmm
3375 [22:05:33] <R4F_Debian> Don't know if I answered your question, Serialbox.. :)
3376 [22:05:37] <somiaj> dutchfish: that might be something else not releated to the microcode. I don't recongize that module, but dmesg give you any clues why it is not loading?
3377 [22:05:45] <jelly> gluon: you're going to want a prio >990, and depending on how much you really want that version, maybe >= 1000.
3378 [22:05:47] <Serialbox> R4F_Debian: how large is large? I'm wondering if it's worth it for my media volumes
3379 [22:05:55] <XndrK> My question got lost in the mist because I stepped out for a second; would anyone kill me if I asked it again?
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3381 [22:06:09] <dutchfish> somiaj, not really, as you said, only that message, should indicate it is loaded.
3382 [22:06:19] <gluon> jelly: i see. i guess the same applies even if i'm tracking only testing?
3383 [22:06:19] <dutchfish> somiaj, i will delve into it.
3384 [22:06:34] <somiaj> dutchfish: well I'm tlaking about your other issue, iucode-tool module not loaded, what module is it wanting to be loaded.
3385 [22:06:46] <somiaj> dutchfish: well you know where to ask if you need to discuss it some more.
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3387 [22:07:05] <dutchfish> somiaj, thank you. Sure.
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3392 [22:07:38] <jelly> gluon: yes
3393 [22:07:45] <somiaj> gluon: you can use apt-cache policy to see how pinning is effecting apts logic. Putting an epoch on your custom version could work, just note this makes it not nicely be able to upgrade to version that have lower epochs (if you ever wanted to nicely transition back to the jessie version)
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3395 [22:07:52] <R4F_Debian> I'm not expert in file systems, and have to learn a lot from Debian Documentation and Great Support provided her, Serialbox, but i usually transfer lots of volumes of SAP devices - SAP addons, in the case (that I use in my job daily routine) and XFS works fine with PostgreSQL
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3398 [22:08:10] <Serialbox> R4F_Debian: okay, i'll go do readings
3399 [22:08:22] <jelly> gluon: dunno if the apt_preferences manual is useful in explaining how things work, these days
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3401 [22:08:40] <gluon> somiaj: yeah, i guess i'll try pinning first tho
3402 [22:08:56] <gluon> hmm, i was reading replaced-url
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3404 [22:09:10] <jelly> gluon: if your goal is merely not to have the package upgraded,
3405 [22:09:12] <jelly> !hold
3406 [22:09:12] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
3407 [22:09:34] <gluon> hmm, that could do the job too
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3409 [22:09:46] <dutchfish> somiaj, hah, found a new clue, it is the tool not the module.
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3411 [22:10:20] <R4F_Debian> but, as I said you before, I'm not an expert in file systems, I have been reading about EXT4 and XFS, for they are my basic options in Debian for file systems. And it seems Debian uses it natively for a long time, before Red Hat option for XFS as its default file systems for Red Hat Enterprise Linux
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3413 [22:10:28] <dutchfish> somiaj, hence dmesg doesnt report errors
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3415 [22:10:52] <R4F_Debian> Debian Project has this expertise before any other UNIX/Linux Project, and before any other Linux Distribution
3416 [22:11:05] <axc1298> anyone have a checksum for the debian-8.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso? the download paused a few times so i want to be sure the file integrity is ok
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3418 [22:11:35] <somiaj> dutchfish: ahh, yea guess that tool requires a module. I was unsure if the module was already included in the kernel or was a third party module you had to build for the kernel.
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3421 [22:11:58] <somiaj> dutchfish: now to figure out the name of the module, and just run 'modprobe modulename' if it is already included with the kernel.
3422 [22:12:18] <cruncher> axc1298, look in the file replaced-url
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3424 [22:12:29] <somiaj> axc1298: they are included on the ftp site, but i guess it was hidden from you when you clicked on the link on debian.org
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3426 [22:12:47] <somiaj> cruncher: thought that one may not be there (since it is the amd64-i386 mix one)
3427 [22:13:03] <cruncher> axc1298, what is mixed?
3428 [22:13:15] <cruncher> they aren't mixed, one for amd64 and one for i386
3429 [22:13:17] <somiaj> axc1298: replaced-url
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3431 [22:13:19] <dutchfish> somiaj, replaced-url
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3435 [22:13:37] <somiaj> cruncher: he linked the multi-arch installer (as you linked the i386 installer)
3436 [22:13:38] <cruncher> ah, wrong person :)
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3440 [22:14:29] <axc1298> somiaj: thanks
3441 [22:14:35] <somiaj> dutchfish: I was talking about the tool you were having trouble with not the microcode (though I could be missing something as I don't recongize that tool or how it is linked to the microcode)
3442 [22:14:37] <cruncher> ah, my bad.. now i see.. but the syntax is the same
3443 [22:14:52] <somiaj> cruncher: correct, just the md5sum wouldn't have worked.
3444 [22:14:55] <cruncher> axc1298, the link somiaj gave you is the right one then
3445 [22:15:08] <dutchfish> somiaj, i delve some more into it, something is wrong with that tool.
3446 [22:15:10] <axc1298> cruncher: thanks
3447 [22:15:21] <dutchfish> somiaj, thanks.
3448 [22:15:31] <cruncher> it would have, if it was the correct md5sums file :)
3449 [22:15:33] <somiaj> dutchfish: /usr/share/doc/packagename (sometimes a usefulplace to look)
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3451 [22:15:44] <dutchfish> somiaj, yes, thanks again.
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3513 [22:45:07] <dutchfish> somiaj, mystery solved. It was neither the module nor the tool, it is the intel-microcode itself. see: replaced-url
3514 [22:45:10] <R4F_Debian> Need to go now. Thanks for Great and always High Quality Support, somiaj ! Thanks for hints, jelly ! Thanks for informations about your personal use in Debian Jessie, Serialbox ! Hope see you soon ! See you soon, mtn !
3515 [22:45:14] <R4F_Debian> Bye all !
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3523 [22:47:19] <dutchfish> somiaj, no more modules.
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3546 [22:54:58] <dutchfish> somiaj, also replaced-url
3547 [22:54:59] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3549 [22:55:35] <dutchfish> somiaj, however it is regressed in 4.6
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3551 [22:55:44] <dutchfish> somiaj, thanks.
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3695 [23:41:22] <dagerik> mount / -o=remount,rw
3696 [23:41:22] <dagerik> mount: optmap.c:199: mnt_optmap_get_entry: Assertion `namelen' failed.
3697 [23:41:22] <dagerik> zsh: abort mount / -o=remount,rw
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3699 [23:41:34] <Dudewihoutpants> hi
3700 [23:41:47] <defanor> hello. i'm looking for an appropriate place for filesystem (btrfs) snapshots on a debian system. or, perhaps, for backups in general. is it fine to use /var/backups/?
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3702 [23:42:33] * zykotick9 wonders is btrfs even in debian stable?
3703 [23:42:40] <defanor> it is
3704 [23:42:45] <zykotick9> :(
3705 [23:43:00] <defanor> why a sad smiley?
3706 [23:43:04] <guardian> so, from jessie I cant dist-upgrade to stretch. I'm hitting E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package sysvinit-utils due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop
3707 [23:43:12] <Dudewihoutpants> why not pictures
3708 [23:43:17] <guardian> it seems to correspond to replaced-url
3709 [23:43:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3710 [23:43:33] <guardian> any idea on how to move forward please?
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3713 [23:44:04] <zykotick9> defanor: sorry, i'm not not into bleeding edge software, especially file systems (at one time i did run murderfs on gentoo) anymore... good luck.
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3717 [23:44:18] <zykotick9> s/not not/just not/
3718 [23:44:30] <Dudewihoutpants> i think the bug will be fixed. what's wrong with jessie ?
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3720 [23:45:07] <Dudewihoutpants> i mean, why do you need to update?
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3725 [23:46:53] <Dudewihoutpants> i cant use the tor browser. i keep getting the message: We have no recent usable consensus
3726 [23:47:02] <Dudewihoutpants> any help ?
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3730 [23:48:16] <mtn> guardian: make a new file called /etc/apt/apt.conf
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3732 [23:48:41] <zykotick9> Dudewihoutpants: i know tor-browser isn't in debian (as i drop the executable into a subfolder of /opt) so this really isn't the "best" channel to be asking in. also, mine is working fine? good luck.
3733 [23:49:02] <mtn> guardian: put in the file the line it tells you to use with "true"; after it
3734 [23:49:19] <Dudewihoutpants> thanks zykotick9
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3737 [23:50:39] <Dudewihoutpants> which channel should i join then ?
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3745 [23:53:10] <zykotick9> Dudewihoutpants: i have no clue (i don't think tor is on freenode somehow ;) <- freenode blocks tor i believe, thus why j.applebaum used oftc during i talk i saw him give - video mind you :(
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3748 [23:54:14] <Dudewihoutpants> i will get it to work thanks
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3754 [23:54:48] <kriol> HI!
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3763 [23:59:04] <kriol> HI!
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3767 [23:59:58] <kriol> hello?
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