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• 15[00:05:09] <awwal> dual boot here i386/amd64. so i have both xfce4 built for amd64 and another for i386. what about the configs?
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• 20[00:06:38] <awwal> just wanted to copy many configs files from i386 system to amd64 system. all fine , right? and no matters the arch built for?
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• 28[00:09:30] <SilverBallz> ya thats difficult to answer awwal. depends on the package really. some stuff may work and some may not.
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• 32[00:10:42] <SilverBallz> if you go through with it drop me a line and let me know who it turns out.
• 33[00:10:49] <SilverBallz> how*
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• 37[00:12:47] <awwal> SilverBallz, ok. I'm not copying now, I just want a general opinion. But thanks, I will let you know when copying and comparing.
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• 39[00:14:06] <awwal> Apart xfce, I have several WM's and a lot of command line apps, so I may need several hours for compare, and days for make new/fresh configs if not copying :
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• 102[00:49:01] <jaggz> I need to install a wheezy libc6, but I can't find a source with it (libc6=2.13-38+deb7u1, but possibly any wheezy would work)
• 103[00:49:20] <jaggz> it's because of an incompatibility between new crypt() and old
• 104[00:49:24] <jaggz> (believe it or not)
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• 107[00:50:24] <Brigo> jaggz, try archive.debian.org
• 108[00:50:30] <jaggz> thanks
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• 113[00:51:20] <jaggz> they go up to 6
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• 115[00:51:59] <jaggz> probably I could just get that earlier source though too
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• 119[00:53:05] <jaggz> oh I can just use my old sources
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• 131[00:58:17] <jaggz> where are the source packages in the repositories?
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• 145[01:03:57] <jaggz> like, what does a deb-src line do differently from a deb line, when the rest is the same?
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• 151[01:05:36] <somiaj> jaggz: deb-src gives access to source packages, deb gives access to binary packages. For most part the offical debian mirrors have both and so that will be the only thing that is different is the 'deb' vs 'deb-src' in the sources.list
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• 153[01:06:07] <jaggz> somiaj: thanks.. but what's the difference in the location or names of the packages within the archive?
• 154[01:06:14] <jaggz> within the repository folders I mean
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• 156[01:06:52] <somiaj> there shouldn't be any difference in terms of what the sources.list entry is
• 157[01:07:07] <jaggz> for instance, I'm trying to find the libc6 source at replaced-url
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• 159[01:07:26] <somiaj> source packages have different names (and sometimes create multiple binary packages)
• 160[01:07:33] <abrotman> jaggz: you know it's linked from packages.debian.org, right ?
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• 162[01:07:43] <somiaj> jaggz: the source package fro 'libc6' is 'glibc'
• 163[01:08:24] <jaggz> linked from? meaning I can use either host?
• 164[01:08:32] <somiaj> you can also see the source package with apt-cache show packagename (for a binary package)
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• 166[01:08:58] <somiaj> jaggz: pacakges.debian.org/packagename (slect the actual package) and you'll see a lot of info about the package, including the source package, and a download link directly tot he source package and debian patches
• 167[01:09:18] <jaggz> pool/updates/main/e/eglibc/libc6_2.13-38+deb7u10_i386.deb
• 168[01:09:20] <somiaj> jaggz: so you don't have to dig thought the ftp site, just use the packages.debian.net sech tools
• 169[01:09:29] <somiaj> that is a binary package
• 170[01:09:39] <jaggz> so that's the binary.. now I'm trying to get the source package
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• 173[01:10:30] <somiaj> jaggz: replaced-url
• 174[01:10:50] <somiaj> looks like the source is eglibc (glibc is what I saw for the source in sid)
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• 179[01:12:50] <jaggz> downloading it.. now it's a bit newer.. looks like I didn't update that.. my installed was 2.13-38+deb7u1 but the candidate (from security.) was 2.13-38+deb7u10
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• 185[01:14:22] <somiaj> jaggz: not debian provides both the original source (which will be the same for both versions) and the collection of debian patches.
• 186[01:14:44] <somiaj> not=note
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• 192[01:16:27] <jaggz> the security url goes from the 2.13-orig to patches for 2.13-38+deb7u10 ..
• 193[01:16:37] <jaggz> no u1
• 194[01:16:50] <jaggz> (which isn't from security, I believe)
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• 196[01:17:48] <somiaj> as I said that is the upstream original source, you also need the debian patches
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• 198[01:18:30] <jaggz> (I don't see a binary .deb there for eglibc by the way)
• 199[01:19:27] <jaggz> I wonder if the eglibc source files "become" libc-bin_*.deb
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• 202[01:22:16] <somiaj> jaggz: I already explained that, source packages and binary names can be different, and sources can produce multiple binaries
• 203[01:22:45] <somiaj> eglibc is the source package for libc6 (in wheezy)
• 204[01:23:02] <jaggz> somiaj: neat
• 205[01:23:11] <jaggz> somiaj: thank you so much for your help
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• 207[01:23:39] <jaggz> this is all because the old crypt() accepted, perhaps wrongly, salts with characters other than [a-zA-Z0-9/.]
• 208[01:24:05] <RLa> my clock is ahead 5 minutes, what happens when i install ntpdate and it fixes the clock?
• 209[01:24:06] <jaggz> new versions of crypt() error on it
• 210[01:24:18] <RLa> can i expect lots of things to break?
• 211[01:24:20] <jaggz> and somehow I have a lot of user passwords that have invalid chars in the
• 212[01:24:28] <somiaj> RLa: with five minutes not much, but if you are worried use 'ntp' over 'ntpdate'
• 213[01:24:35] <jaggz> RLa: if you use the ntpd it will do it slowly
• 214[01:24:46] <somiaj> RLa: ntp is a server and it shoudl slowly revert your clock over doing it oin one jump
• 215[01:24:55] <jaggz> or yeah, ntp..
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• 217[01:25:34] <somiaj> that is the package, it runs ntpd
• 218[01:26:04] <RLa> somiaj, jaggz thanks!
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• 220[01:26:08] <somiaj> RLa: also running ntp will keep your clock from going out of sync int he future.
• 221[01:26:45] <RLa> hm, yeah, i got the package name wrong
• 222[01:27:05] <RLa> i have seen it installed by default on every other debian machine i have
• 223[01:27:17] <RLa> i wonder why this one did not have it
• 224[01:27:43] <somiaj> yea one is a one time utulity the other is a daemon.
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• 236[01:37:29] <Skyrider> What are the latest 2 numbers in fstab?
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• 239[01:38:18] <Skyrider> **last
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• 241[01:38:35] <AimHere> Skyrider, 'man fstab' will give you the answer to that in more detail than you're likely to get on IRC
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• 243[01:39:12] <LtL> Skyrider: they dictate whether a fsck will run on a schedule... roughly
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• 245[01:39:35] <Skyrider> I merely need to set my /home directory on a different partition.
• 246[01:39:42] <Skyrider> No idea what to fill in on the last numbers :p
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• 250[01:40:56] <LtL> Skyrider: 0 0 IF you don't want it checked, 0 1 if you do
• 251[01:41:00] <LtL> iirc
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• 253[01:41:24] <AimHere> LtL, I'm not sure you recall correctly
• 254[01:41:38] <LtL> Skyrider: fsck will check after x number of boots
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• 260[01:42:35] <Skyrider> I prefer fsck not being run on the home partition. ^^, on a pi, a 800gb partition takes forever.
• 261[01:43:20] <Zorroness> Why must fighting enthropy be so dull? :(
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• 263[01:43:58] <somiaj> you can also use tune2fs to change the time interval that fsck is run
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• 265[01:44:38] <Skyrider> good to know ^^
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• 274[01:51:56] <Zorroness> What would be the best way to reassign audio channels on a mostly stock Debian Jessie? I dual boot and for some odd reason Debian assigns the channels for my analog 5.1 surround speakers differently than Windows does (which means I need to crawl under the desk if I want an ideal experience on either OS).
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• 276[01:53:51] <somiaj> Zorroness: what sound card are you using?
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• 278[01:54:00] <somiaj> Zorroness: I mean driver? Is it snd-hda-intel?
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• 281[01:55:55] <Zorroness> I beleive it's a realtek, but both the intel and realtek drivers are loaded
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• 283[01:57:04] <somiaj> Zorroness: one is a codec the other is the driver. You can specific different models with the snd-intel-hda driver that change how it uses the ports
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• 285[01:57:13] <Zorroness> replaced-url
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• 287[01:57:37] <somiaj> Zorroness: this may help replaced-url
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• 289[01:57:55] <Zorroness> ahh
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• 302[02:08:15] <Zorroness> Well basically my issue is that the audio comes out the wrong 3.5mm ports on the motherboard. The front left/right channels are coming out the side left/right jack, but when I unplug the front left/right cable (which is also the stereo output when using stereo output) the device dissapears in gnome's sound settings program. I figure it
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• 304[02:08:32] <Zorroness> 's an issue with pulseaudio that I need to manually configure
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• 306[02:09:13] <Zorroness> it's only a problem when trying to use surround, normal stereo output works fine
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• 400[03:10:46] <bipul> I need a help.
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• 403[03:12:45] <curtan> With what?
• 404[03:13:03] <bipul> I am trying to write a script for MySql-server installation. But i don't know why i am not able to login with my define credential information replaced-url
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• 406[03:13:43] <bipul> Sorry This one replaced-url
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• 408[03:15:10] <themill> might be good if you first decide what distro you're using
• 409[03:15:49] <bipul> themill, I am making it for both debian and ubuntu.
• 410[03:15:56] <jmcnaught> bipul: instead of writing a script for this type of task you should look at using Ansible, Puppet or one of the other tools designed for this type of work
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• 413[03:16:51] <themill> bipul: the package names for your debconf-set-selections calls look wrong and there's a typo on line 16 that would be a syntax error in bash
• 414[03:17:01] <themill> and what jmcnaught said
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• 416[03:17:13] <bipul> what typo mistake??
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• 421[03:17:55] <themill> thena
• 422[03:18:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1672
• 423[03:18:07] <themill> also, your test if the package is installed is incorrect
• 424[03:18:10] <themill> !installed test
• 425[03:18:10] <dpkg> To test in a script if a package is installed, you can: if dpkg -l $package 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^.i; then echo yes; fi or if [[ $(dpkg-query -f'${Status}' --show $package 2>/dev/null) = *\ installed ]]; then echo yes; fi. Note that "installed" isn't a simple concept -- is the package configured yet? is it actually scheduled for removal? See man dpkg "package states" and "selection states" for more details.
• 426[03:18:11] <bipul> oh wait
• 427[03:18:37] <RippyDippy> Hey guys, I want to put a commented header atop various dot files. Things like name, date, filename etc. I've seen many people with them. Is there a script or package use to generate them?
• 428[03:18:52] <themill> the capacity to reinvent the wheel and do it badly every time knows no bounds
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• 437[03:26:00] <bipul> themill, Still i am not able to login in mysql , after correcting my typo mistake.
• 438[03:27:02] <themill> how about the other two
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• 440[03:27:14] <bipul> Is there any other way to install MySQL Non-Interactive mode
• 441[03:27:43] <themill> what you're doing with debconf is fine, just not correct yet
• 442[03:28:21] <bipul> ?
• 443[03:28:40] <themill> As I said earlier, the package names are not correct. Check the output of 'debconf-get-selections'
• 444[03:28:49] <bipul> oh ok
• 445[03:29:08] <themill> Your test for whether the package is installed is also not correct but won't be an issue yet
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• 450[03:30:21] <bipul> ok
• 451[03:30:25] <bipul> Thank you
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• 478[03:48:39] <jaggz> somiaj, sure enough, the old crypt() did not test the salt
• 479[03:48:45] <jaggz> and then used this: #define ascii_to_bin(c) ((c)>='a'?(c-59):(c)>='A'?((c)-53):(c)-'.')
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• 481[03:49:07] <jaggz> so in my case it did '$'-'.' (or 36-46), ie. -10.
• 482[03:49:25] <jaggz> then it does some bit shifting
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• 484[03:50:48] <somiaj> jaggz: also might be a difference in eglibc vs glibc
• 485[03:51:38] <jaggz> could be.. I didn't check if there's an eglibc available in more recent releases
• 486[03:51:59] <somiaj> there most likely isn't
• 487[03:52:20] <somiaj> jaggz: replaced-url
• 488[03:52:25] <jaggz> but all of crypt/*.c *.h is mostly the same.. just different 'improvements'
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• 490[03:52:35] <sm00th> anybody able to get aa-genprof to work properly for them?
• 491[03:52:41] <jaggz> thanks a lot for the help
• 492[03:52:45] <somiaj> jaggz: if you go back far enough you see where the switch from glibc to eglibc happened.
• 493[03:52:57] <jaggz> my initial goal was to see if I could generate a compatible salt, to upgrade these user's crypt'ed passwords
• 494[03:53:04] <somiaj> jaggz: yea I think the sources are interrelated, but they could have differences.
• 495[03:53:07] <jaggz> but I wrote a test trying all the valid salt combinations and nothing matches
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• 497[03:53:52] <jaggz> so, that being the case, going further into how the crypt algorithm works is probably useless..
• 498[03:54:29] <jaggz> new(or glibc) one has: if(bad_for_salt (s1)) return false;
• 499[03:54:36] <jaggz> old did not have that test :)
• 500[03:55:11] <somiaj> I don't know enough to offer any real advise, but maybe you can write a conversion script so you can move between wheezy to jessie
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• 505[03:56:05] <jaggz> yeah that was the idea.. to see if I could somehow convert these crypt'ed passwords
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• 508[03:57:24] <jaggz> but if it's not just something like, 'the salt "$a" becomes "zb"', then I'd need to delve deeper into the crypt (des?) algorithm .. and even then it's likely it's a unique result from that salt..
• 509[03:57:27] <jaggz> so.. futile anyway
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• 517[04:03:54] <susulol> bazhang: hello
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• 519[04:04:30] <susulol> bazhang: fa gote?
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• 545[04:24:41] <jaggz> do any of you have a script for testing iptables rules -- one which will return the rules to their prior state if it doesn't hear back from you
• 546[04:24:45] <jaggz> in case you lock yourself out
• 547[04:25:00] <jaggz> I know I could make a simple one, but I really don't want to mess up
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• 551[04:28:55] <molavy1> hi
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• 554[04:29:53] <molavy1> how can i develop my custom panel for desktop and don't load any gnome or kde ,
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• 567[04:38:53] <SilverBallz> jaggz, iptables-save and iptables-restore
• 568[04:39:42] <SilverBallz> molavy1, check out XFCE. that may be of some interest.
• 569[04:40:42] <SilverBallz> otherwise you would either need to make a program for x server. then there is wayland and i dont know much about that or even if its even going to fully replace xorg
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• 571[04:41:54] <SilverBallz> for the time being wayland has lifted a loat of 'weight' of the xorg load... sort of simplfied some things... so that maybe a place to consider researching
• 572[04:42:02] <SilverBallz> lot*
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• 582[04:46:21] <roundtriangle> just stopped by to tell you goddamn crooked nigger dick suckin thieving pieces of shit that you still owe royalties on the model 1 ideas you stole
• 583[04:47:01] <roundtriangle> you goddamn hardware sons of bitches need to pay what you fuckin ass owe
• 584[04:48:22] <roundtriangle> you lousy crooked nigger dick suckin Jew and British trash don't fuckin deserve to live
• 585[04:48:51] <yehai> roundtriangle: stop too racist
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• 587[04:49:37] <roundtriangle> yehai...fuck you too...how would you like it if the goddamn niggers said you needed to be fired so they could hire nigger trash for the job and then have the bastards steal your wife and kids
• 588[04:51:06] <roundtriangle> just because some goddamn nigger dick suckin then President Bill Clinton wanted his dick sucked by Monica Lewinsky and victimize all the other women he raped
• 589[04:51:10] <yehai> roundtriangle: that doesn't work, try to do something to stop it then, go do a suicide bomb
• 590[04:51:46] <krytarik> !ops
• 591[04:51:46] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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• 593[04:51:56] <roundtriangle> yehai..yea i bet you'd like that....are you trying to get out of the trillions of dollars of royalties owed to us Model 1 people
• 594[04:52:15] <roundtriangle> yehai...maybe we should put a bomb up your goddamn crooked nigger dick suckin ass
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• 596[04:52:49] <molavy1> SilverBallz: did you mean XFCE source code
• 597[04:52:50] <molavy1> ?
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• 599[04:52:55] <yehai> go do it, rattling fixes nothing
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• 603[04:53:45] <roundtriangle> yehai...would you like a pole driven up your ass until it comes out your goddamn nigger dick suckin mouth and then roast you over fire
• 604[04:54:07] <sm00th> somiaj, ping
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• 606[04:55:01] <roundtriangle> yehai..you think its ok for a goddamn nigger dick suckin president to use power and authority to rape innocent women even when he already had a wife
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• 608[04:55:43] <roundtriangle> yehai..and then have the crooked nigger dick suckin Jew and British trash steal my wife and kids and refuse to let me speak to them for 30years
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• 612[04:56:44] <somiaj> molavy1: there are differen window managers out there that give you the ability to configure custom setups. I use fvwm and it is very configurable. But debian provides about 10 or so differnt wms you can configure to your liking
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• 614[04:56:54] <roundtriangle> yehai..not to mention the trillions of dollars of money made off of model 1 ideas without payment of appropriate royalties
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• 620[04:58:04] <somiaj> molavy1: debian also provides other desktops such as lxde, xfce, mate and cinnamon that may be more to your liking than gnome or kde
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• 622[04:59:44] <molavy1> somiaj: i mean develop panel from scratch
• 623[04:59:49] <mdim> Hi everyone
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• 625[05:00:08] <somiaj> molavy1: yes fvwm allows you to do that. Mine is built using my own setup (though it doesn't support much for drag and drop)
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• 630[05:00:50] <somiaj> molavy1: and different wm's des give you different levels of customazability
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• 632[05:00:55] <mdim> I have Debian Jessie on my laptop and I've been trying to set up cgroups to limit some processes. I've configured /etc/cgconfig.conf and /etc/cgrules.conf, but on rebooting the laptop cgconfig doesn't seem to "start", i.e. I have no control groups under /sys/fs/cgroup/{cpu,memory} as expected
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• 634[05:01:13] <jaggz> I wonder how to do these iptables rules without having access to state established, related
• 635[05:01:26] <mdim> is there a service or something I need to enable?
• 636[05:01:47] <mdim> cgmanager is enabled and started
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• 640[05:04:52] <jmcnaught> mdim: on my system systemd mounts the cgroup filesystem
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• 644[05:05:51] <mdim> jmcnaught: ok.
• 645[05:05:53] <tmh1999> x
• 646[05:06:16] <jmcnaught> mdim: systemd also has a nice interface to using cgroups
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• 648[05:07:49] <mdim> jmcnaught: how do I use cgconfig through it? It doesn't seem to be installed, i.e. no cgconfig.service
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• 652[05:09:33] <jmcnaught> mdim: i don't use cgconfig or cgroup-tools.
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• 654[05:11:05] <mdim> any other thoughts than trying to use cgroups via systemd?
• 655[05:11:14] <jmcnaught> mdim: basically you can put limits on service units, but other types of units too like scopes, slices
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• 657[05:12:07] <jmcnaught> mdim: do it with systemd because it works out of the box and going forward systemd will probably be the only thing allowed to manage cgroups (because the kernel only wants to talk to one interface)
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• 695[05:45:39] <moon_> Debian and Virtualbox seamless mode works rather well in windows 8 and 10, just thought some people lwould liketo know
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• 702[05:48:29] <moon_> hi
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• 712[05:58:42] <mi11k1> can somebody please check this out, I have a an older hp laptop, and dmesg is a complete nightmare, here is the output, im having most difficulty with the graphics ..... replaced-url
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• 714[05:59:32] <mi11k1> this is the output of lspci. 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]
• 715[06:00:42] <mi11k1> ive read debian wiki and googled a bunch of stuff, im having blank screen on boot, or missing arandr errors
• 716[06:01:24] <mi11k1> using jessie, with MATE
• 717[06:01:53] <moon_> whats the name of the WXwidgets package?
• 718[06:02:13] <mi11k1> ?
• 719[06:02:26] <moon_> i need the wxwidgets package
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• 721[06:02:36] <abrotman> moon_: aptitude search wx
• 722[06:02:36] <moon_> for jessie
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• 724[06:02:43] <mi11k1> dev package?
• 725[06:02:58] <moon_> mhm
• 726[06:03:04] <abrotman> mi11k1: you might want the non-free firmware installer ISO
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• 728[06:03:14] <abrotman> dpkg: tell mi11k1 about firmware images
• 729[06:03:22] <abrotman> though, I'd think that chipset would be supported
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• 732[06:04:00] <moon_> thank
• 733[06:04:06] <magyar> hi, i boot my jessie system into recovery mode but I have no DNS resolution
• 734[06:04:09] <mi11k1> abrotman, i install firmware-linix-nonfree
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• 736[06:04:28] <magyar> how can I get dns resolution using systemd?
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• 739[06:05:02] <mi11k1> moon, replaced-url
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• 742[06:06:10] <mi11k1> magyar, edit /etc/network/iterfaces
• 743[06:06:22] <mi11k1> interfaces*
• 744[06:06:35] <magyar> mi11k1: it's set by dhcp
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• 746[06:06:45] <mi11k1> change it to static
• 747[06:07:04] <magyar> in any normal initd system it will work fine, this new systemd seems to suck a bit
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• 750[06:07:25] <mi11k1> i thought it was just safemode
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• 752[06:07:38] <mi11k1> do you use network-manager?
• 753[06:08:28] <magyar> mi11k1: it picks up the dhcp ip address fine but dns is getting some effed up links to /run/resolv.conf that even if created does jack shit
• 754[06:08:39] <mi11k1> ohh, add 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 to /etc/resolv.conf
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• 756[06:08:56] <magyar> mi11k1: default jessie amd64 install, I'm in recovery mode i mind you, chroot
• 757[06:09:13] <mi11k1> try adding googles dns
• 758[06:09:33] <magyar> mi11k1: that is not possible, if I try to edit that file i get "E166: Can't open linked file for writing"
• 759[06:09:46] <magyar> mi11k1: I think this is systemd related BS
• 760[06:10:05] <mi11k1> can you access nmtui?
• 761[06:11:29] <magyar> nope, all kind of object errors
• 762[06:11:49] <magyar> nmcli seem to work
• 763[06:12:15] <mi11k1> just add a line for that in /etc/network/interfaces
• 764[06:12:29] <mi11k1> restart nm and do ifup <interface>
• 765[06:12:30] <magyar> I take it back even nmcli is dead
• 766[06:13:05] <moon_> is there a way to get lolcat to work? i have it installed but its not working (lolcat does not exist say bash)
• 767[06:13:14] <magyar> mi11k1: I'm remote to the system, but this is a pita I can tell you that much
• 768[06:13:18] <magyar> :*
• 769[06:14:29] <mi11k1> moon, try sudo
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• 771[06:14:46] <mi11k1> magyar, replaced-url
• 772[06:15:10] <mi11k1> or try and add an vinterface so like eth0:1
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• 774[06:15:26] <moon_> still not found mi11k1
• 775[06:15:40] <mi11k1> what is lolcat
• 776[06:16:09] <moon_> fun little program that rainbow colors its input
• 777[06:16:26] <moon_> i've decided to annoy a friend by making the bash command be bash fed through it
• 778[06:16:38] <mi11k1> i just installed it
• 779[06:16:44] <mi11k1> its lolcat
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• 781[06:16:55] <mi11k1> its lolcat --help
• 782[06:17:01] <mi11k1> lolcat has no output
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• 785[06:18:19] <moon_> oh, i just realized that for some reason it was being put in /usr/games
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• 788[06:19:06] <mi11k1> moon, in cli you cane do whereis ???
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• 790[06:19:33] <mi11k1> whereis lolcat , lolcat: /usr/games/lolcat /usr/share/man/man6/lolcat.6.gz
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• 817[06:39:12] <moon_> Any of you know the aptitude moo joke?
• 818[06:39:55] <moon_> well, once it says you win
• 819[06:39:58] <moon_> add one more v
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• 827[06:47:33] <mrrhq> Ah, I get it, the joke is people use aptitude instead of apt-get. :^)
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• 845[07:05:59] <magyar> thanks mi11k1
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• 853[07:17:15] <xormor> I use "apt" usually, instead of aptitude and apt-get.
• 854[07:17:22] <xormor> apt update
• 855[07:17:22] <apt> from memory, update is replaced-url
• 856[07:17:25] <xormor> apt upgrade
• 857[07:17:25] <apt> Upgrading is easy! Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn.
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• 883[07:33:38] <Guest48602> Q: I just installed Debian 8.5 on a blank HP and updated it with apt-get. eth0 is connected to the (Internet) Gateway, and can ping to outside hosts, but, when I try to configure eth0 from the LXDE desktop, it says "Device not managed"! Any advice?
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• 922[08:12:25] <CtrlC> Has anyone had the issue with packages been held back on Jessie recently?
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• 928[08:13:50] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: is it icedove getting held back? it's getting replaced by firefox-esr so you need to run apt-get dist-upgrade to let it install new packages
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• 930[08:14:22] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: if it's other stuff can you make a paste?
• 931[08:14:42] <CtrlC> jmcnaught: Iceweasel actually. yes I tried manually installing and it is getting installed.
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• 934[08:15:21] <CtrlC> weird I have icedove too but it didn't have any problem.
• 935[08:16:43] <jmcnaught> sorry i meant iceweasel :)
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• 937[08:17:04] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: replaced-url
• 938[08:17:54] <CtrlC> No more Iceweasel!
• 939[08:18:09] <mrrhq> Yep.
• 940[08:18:18] <CtrlC> Thanks jmcnaught.
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• 947[08:27:25] <CtrlC> "cp -R /etc/iceweasel/* /etc/firefox-esr" would be enough to get the customizations and settings back?
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• 950[08:28:26] <hellyeah> hey
• 951[08:28:35] <hellyeah> how can i solve this error? replaced-url
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• 953[08:28:42] <mrrhq> CtrlC: Actually, most of your settings should be stored in ~/.mozilla/firefox/...
• 954[08:28:43] <hellyeah> pls help me about this
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• 956[08:29:30] <mrrhq> hellyeah: Well what package are you trying to install (if any)?
• 957[08:29:44] <CtrlC> mrrhq: So I guess I don't need to do anything more?:/
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• 959[08:30:08] <hellyeah> i try to upgrade my system from jessie to stretch
• 960[08:31:00] <mrrhq> I don't usually mess around with system directories, but if I had to wager, I'd say you wouldn't even need the whole /etc/iceweasel directory tree anymore.
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• 962[08:31:15] <hellyeah> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1
• 963[08:31:20] <hellyeah> this is the suggestion
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• 965[08:31:28] <jmcnaught> !debian-next
• 966[08:31:29] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 968[08:32:02] <mrrhq> hellyeah: What version of Debian are you using now? lsb_release might show us.
• 969[08:32:30] <mrrhq> Oh sorry, I didn't read.
• 970[08:32:47] <hellyeah> no lsb modules are available
• 971[08:33:31] <mrrhq> Nvm, forget that. If anything, I would just go full on Sid in that case. ;)
• 972[08:33:36] <hellyeah> okey it is stretch question may be
• 973[08:33:53] <mrrhq> Testing has points where the freeze, and Sid is more rolling release and even more updated.
• 974[08:34:54] <hellyeah> jessie is soewhat old
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• 976[08:35:12] <mrrhq> Not completely if you use jessie-backports.
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• 981[08:35:45] <mrrhq> !backports
• 982[08:35:45] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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• 1003[08:47:09] <voda> I have installed debian cd1 to switch from windows to linux but no multumedia playback no dongle driver nothing works well
• 1004[08:48:20] <jmcnaught> voda: if you provide details people here can help
• 1005[08:49:58] <voda> I want debian to behave like windows everything automatic is that possible?
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• 1008[08:50:45] <voda> Like no dvd playback
• 1009[08:51:16] <jmcnaught> do you mean commercial DVDs?
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• 1012[08:51:36] <voda> Movie dvds
• 1013[08:52:44] <bazhang> where are these movie dvds coming from voda
• 1014[08:53:20] <voda> I purchased them
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• 1018[08:53:57] <jmcnaught> voda: replaced-url
• 1019[08:54:06] <sunoano> I am getting a weird error updating my packages on sid, any idea about this one? replaced-url
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• 1021[08:54:46] <jmcnaught> !tell sunoano about cross post
• 1022[08:55:12] <sunoano> jmcnaught: you just told me to come here?!
• 1023[08:55:40] <sunoano> (08:49:39) jmcnaught: sunoano1: please ask in the sid channel #debian-nexy
• 1024[08:55:44] <jmcnaught> sunoano: on OFTC I asked you to ask in #debian-next
• 1025[08:55:57] <somiaj> sunoano: you were directed to #debian-next on the other server. But since you are here, did this error just start happening on a working sid install or are you trying to swtich to sid?
• 1026[08:55:57] <voda> Which multimedia software i can use, which also support dolby, dts , dolby pro logic
• 1027[08:56:11] * sunoano confused now :)
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• 1029[08:56:43] <jmcnaught> voda: VLC and Totem are what I use
• 1030[08:56:49] <sunoano> somiaj: I am on sid here for a few years, no new install, started happening about three days agao
• 1031[08:56:59] <somiaj> sunoano: could just be the mirror, try a different mirror.
• 1032[08:57:14] <sunoano> ok, will do... back in a bit...
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• 1036[08:58:40] <mrrhq> It's just too bad #debian-next is always dead. Amiright?
• 1037[08:58:41] <sunoano> somiaj: hehe, sir... this is good fun: changing replaced-url
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• 1039[08:59:12] <voda> Jmc, i have also problem with internet connection with my dongle which came with windows and ubuntu drivers
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• 1041[08:59:27] <jmcnaught> there are some very knowledgeable people in #debian-next that are not on freenode
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• 1043[08:59:30] <sunoano> I haven't been on IRC for almost two years now, something changed with the channels right... e.g. what happened to the old #debian on freenode, where did it move to?
• 1044[08:59:43] <mrrhq> What old #debian?
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• 1046[08:59:49] <jmcnaught> voda: what kind of dongle is it?
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• 1049[09:00:12] <themill> sunoano: you are in #debian on freenode
• 1050[09:00:14] <voda> Internet dongle with card reader
• 1051[09:01:10] <mrrhq> sunoano: If you're looking for offtopic, we have #debian-offtopic on here. That's a more chill place.
• 1052[09:01:26] <jmcnaught> voda: wifi? cellular/mobile network?
• 1053[09:01:33] <voda> Yeah
• 1054[09:01:39] <voda> Both
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• 1057[09:02:39] <somiaj> sunoano: httpredir.debian.org is also a nice one to use
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• 1062[09:03:25] <jmcnaught> voda: don't try to use the ubuntu drivers. you'll need to provide more details like model of device, lsusb output, output of "dmesg" after plugging it in, and what doesn't work on it, what you've tried
• 1063[09:04:22] <mrrhq> I remember having to use the dreaded NDISwrapper from my Wi-Fi card.
• 1064[09:04:31] <voda> When plug in nothing happens
• 1065[09:04:36] <mrrhq> Those good old days are gone.
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• 1086[09:20:00] <voda> Jmc, did you found my dongle driver?
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• 1097[09:25:38] <jmcnaught> voda: no i was doing other stuff. try using replaced-url
• 1098[09:25:47] <jmcnaught> !pastebinit
• 1099[09:25:47] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
• 1100[09:26:13] <jmcnaught> voda: sorry that dmesg command should have been "dmesg | tail -n 100" which gets the last 100 lines
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• 1103[09:27:27] <jmcnaught> voda: also be more specific about how you're trying to use the device, talk about what you have tried
• 1104[09:27:59] <jmcnaught> please :) and then people here will have more clues to work with to help you fix the problem
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• 1106[09:28:49] <voda> Just a sec.
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• 1117[09:33:54] <jmcnaught> voda: i probably won't be able to help you myself, but that will be enough to get started. save the links for the pastes in case you need to ask again
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• 1263[11:25:48] <Rudde> Hey guys. I was wondering if it's possible to make directories with no rights to use for mounting and them have rights when a volume is mounted in them?
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• 1266[11:27:26] <hexnewbie> Rudde: Are you asking if it's possible to mount into a directory with 000 permissions? I would just try and see if it works (most likely it will work as root, and not with FUSE, and under question with user mount in fstab - but I could be wrong)
• 1267[11:28:19] <hexnewbie> Rudde: What's the purpose of that exercise anyway? :)
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• 1271[11:30:27] <Rudde> hexnewbie: I have some sshfs mounts I want but sometimes they get disconnected when either part lose connection
• 1272[11:30:39] <Rudde> and I don't want application to write in the directory if that happens
• 1273[11:30:50] <Rudde> so
• 1274[11:31:12] <Rudde> sshfs did not work with chmod 000 it did however work if I ran it as root
• 1275[11:31:39] <hexnewbie> Rudde: So it is a FUSE mount, and less likely to work. I would try anyway. :) sshfs is unreliable that way, you may consider switching to something more reliable (nfs, cifs,
• 1276[11:32:03] <Rudde> It's over the internet tho
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• 1279[11:32:48] <hexnewbie> Rudde: You could run those over a VPN connection
• 1280[11:33:42] <Rudde> I should learn nfs properly since it seems I always screw up when I try it
• 1281[11:33:56] <Rudde> And I never really managed to set up IPsec VPN properly either
• 1282[11:34:16] <hexnewbie> Rudde: You could try making the file immutable (see man chattr, chattr +i), but that's ugly and modifiable only by root. The man page doesn't say anything about preventing mounts, so it might work
• 1283[11:35:11] <hexnewbie> Be warned it makes the directory literally immutable, you can't do almost anything with it even if you're root (except for chattr -i to remove the flag)
• 1284[11:35:56] <hexnewbie> I also found OpenVPN easy to set up myself
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• 1288[11:37:50] <hexnewbie> Rudde: Just thought of something. I don't know which permissions mount and FUSE require, but you could try chmodding the directory to 111. Maybe that will do it.
• 1289[11:38:39] <hexnewbie> Rudde: Ah, forget about that. "The user can only mount on a mountpoint, for which it has write permission"
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• 1295[11:41:45] <H4ndy> IPSec sucks tho, it requires support of the routers in chain
• 1296[11:41:52] <H4ndy> OpenVPN is much more robust
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• 1299[11:42:07] <Rudde> OpenVPN isn't supported everywhere and integrated to systems
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• 1302[11:44:26] <Rudde> It seems like write access is requierd to mount with fuse :(
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• 1304[11:44:54] <hexnewbie> Rudde: It shouldn't care for the immutable flag, though (I hope)?
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• 1313[11:50:41] <Rudde> does the immutable flag also go for empty sub-directories
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• 1317[11:53:32] <Rudde> immutable flags also prevent fuse from mounting :(
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• 1382[12:33:41] <Li> I'm wondering how to be able to control all installation path of a .deb file! by editing postinst, control, preinst,prem etc...
• 1383[12:34:23] <Li> do I have to go through every listed path or there is one master file to control the rest of them?
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• 1386[12:35:57] <Pinchiukas> Is there a way to get a list of packages that wouldn't get installed if I disabled install-recommends?
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• 1389[12:37:05] <themill> Li: what are you really trying to do? Packages can't necessarily be relocated
• 1390[12:39:00] <Li> themill: I'm trying to force any given application to extract all installation files into one location
• 1391[12:39:15] <Li> the reason, sometimes to understand how some software(s) behave
• 1392[12:39:30] <Li> sometimes to make installations on external drives
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• 1397[12:44:43] <Li> well, you've got your answer
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• 1399[12:44:46] <themill> Extracting the .deb is easy; dpkg -x foo.deb path. If you want to work on an external drive then you probably want a container
• 1400[12:44:50] <themill> *sigh*
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• 1422[13:02:10] <BinBasher> How okay is it to get nvidia-cuda-toolkit from stretch in jessie?
• 1423[13:02:12] <TheQuestionmark> Please help me. I'm reinstalling Debian right now and I still want to use my previous home partition on another HDD that's encrypted. What have I to do to make this work in the setup routine?
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• 1427[13:03:32] <BinBasher> TheQuestionmark: you can use encfs to copy the whole partition to the HDD
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• 1429[13:04:13] <TheQuestionmark> A little too late.
• 1430[13:04:52] <BinBasher> TheQuestionmark: Elaborate
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• 1437[13:06:38] <H4ndy> lol ich hab mit 3 Datenplatten schon fast keinen Durchblick mehr
• 1438[13:06:49] <H4ndy> oh wrong channel
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• 1442[13:07:28] <deepblue_> hi,how could I add another terminal to my computer?
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• 1445[13:07:44] <TheQuestionmark> H4ndy: At least you have a plan otherwise.
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• 1450[13:11:56] <H4ndy> well, mostly ;)
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• 1457[13:15:34] <deepblue_> hi,how could I add another terminal to my computer for other users to log in?
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• 1471[13:21:25] <Dr_Q> 13:21 Dr_Q I am trying to install a debian 8.5 in a uefi bios and i cant. I dont know why it says in the middle of the installation process that fclose no left space on device but i have 1 tb
• 1472[13:21:34] <Dr_Q> Some help please
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• 1510[13:50:12] <markybob> umm..anyone else seeing problems with osuosl mirror? replaced-url
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• 1540[14:00:01] <galex|713> hi, if I want a package to be packaged into debian what should I do?
• 1541[14:00:36] <galex|713> Is there a “todo packages to provide” somewhere to report stuff or should I send a mail to the more concerned package manager or what?
• 1542[14:01:09] <markybob> !RFP
• 1543[14:01:09] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
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• 1546[14:01:29] <galex|713> oh cool
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• 1548[14:02:08] <galex|713> markybob: what if it’s packaged but not for my version of Debian?
• 1549[14:02:17] <g00se> Is it the case in Wheezy that bluetooth will be installed and run irrespective of no bluetooth hardware being present?
• 1550[14:02:19] <galex|713> (like if it’s for an older or a newer?)
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• 1552[14:02:40] <teraflops> galex|713: replaced-url
• 1553[14:02:46] <galex|713> ok ok
• 1554[14:02:52] <markybob> galex|713: after the freeze things don't get added to debian
• 1555[14:02:52] <teraflops> np np
• 1556[14:03:03] <teraflops> oh im getting slow :S
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• 1562[14:05:36] <galex|713> markybob: and what about testing? (or wrong channel maybe? :/)
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• 1565[14:06:09] <markybob> galex|713: yeah it can get added/updated until stretch freezes :P
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• 1568[14:06:54] <galex|713> markybob: so I have to do a RFP?
• 1569[14:07:15] <galex|713> markybob: also, isn’t reportbug tedious to configure?
• 1570[14:07:39] <markybob> galex|713: yes. no. it's not like the old days when it used email. now it's http post
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• 1580[14:09:39] <galex|713> markybob: means I’ll never get an answer and have the feeling maybe I’m spending time on sending stuff to /dev/null?
• 1581[14:10:30] <galex|713> markybob: at will do it use HTTPS with PFS and locally verifying debian certificate is accurate?
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• 1583[14:10:35] <galex|713> *at least
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• 1585[14:11:24] <markybob> galex|713: i dont know if reportbug uses encryption or not. it's a bug report. it'll be published. encryption isn't really needed.
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• 1590[14:11:51] <galex|713> markybob: not encrypted, signed
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• 1593[14:11:57] <galex|713> signed-with-deniability
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• 1595[14:12:01] <galex|713> when, authenticated
• 1596[14:12:03] <galex|713> *well
• 1597[14:12:16] <galex|713> I mean will I get an answer even if someone do MITM around?
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• 1599[14:12:56] <galex|713> markybob: ^
• 1600[14:13:11] <themill> you can verify that the bug is filed yourself at bugs.debian.org
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• 1604[14:14:57] <galex|713> themill: immediatly? will I be notified by answer/treatment or should I come back on a regular basis?
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• 1606[14:15:50] <themill> you'll get a reply by email just like any other email or as reportbug(1) says
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• 1608[14:16:08] <galex|713> themill: so I’ll have to configure anything with my mail or…?
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• 1612[14:17:15] <themill> what does that mean?
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• 1616[14:19:33] <galex|713> themill: it means by default I will receive a mail in my “misc” mailbox, or with some “list-id”, or anything identifiable? will it be the same for all packages? archs? etc.
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• 1618[14:19:53] <galex|713> Maybe I’m unnecessarily stressing with that reportbug I should just try one day…
• 1619[14:20:09] <galex|713> Just scared of doing everything wrong and wasting some debian dev time…
• 1620[14:20:19] <galex|713> but maybe complaining here I’m already doing that…
• 1621[14:20:21] <themill> you'll receive a mail. What you do with it is up to you
• 1622[14:20:47] <galex|713> yeah ok
• 1623[14:21:00] <galex|713> But reportbug(1) says it can use Gnus…
• 1624[14:21:29] <galex|713> that’s… err… I’ll wait I’ve the time to read and understand all reportbug(1) before to post a bug I think…
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• 1626[14:22:01] <themill> there's not much to understand
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• 1629[14:23:16] <g00se> Is it the case in Wheezy that bluetooth will be installed and run irrespective of no bluetooth hardware being present?
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• 1631[14:23:24] <galex|713> themill: I’m still trying to understand what I have to figure out to use “advanced” mode and if I should or if using “standard” will teach it to me with time…
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• 1645[14:31:07] <babilen> galex|713: It just gives you a few more options.
• 1646[14:31:18] <babilen> Why don't you just try it?
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• 1648[14:31:59] <galex|713> babilen: scared of making people waste time so I’m waiting to search the wiki to see what’s the queue stuff
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• 1650[14:32:14] <galex|713> *waiting to have the time/energy/priority to search […]
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• 1652[14:32:44] <babilen> queue stuff?
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• 1656[14:35:06] <rueda> I have a question
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• 1659[14:35:45] <rueda> what's a video recorder and viewer application in debian for video editing like capturing from a dvc
• 1660[14:35:51] <rueda> does blender does that?
• 1661[14:36:02] <galex|713> babilen: it speaks of queue in “advanced” description in reportbug(1)
• 1662[14:36:37] <galex|713> rueda: blender is for 3D, you *generate* video with that, but maybe it can be thought as a recorder then…
• 1663[14:37:21] <rueda> galex|713: cool
• 1664[14:38:18] <rueda> so no video editing in debian
• 1665[14:38:24] <BinBasher> Running Jessie, What's the best way to install a single package from stretch?
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• 1669[14:39:03] <themill> rueda: there are plenty of video editing applications
• 1670[14:42:10] <rueda> themill: what is a good one
• 1671[14:42:14] <galex|713> rueda: probably but not blender
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• 1673[14:42:29] <galex|713> (blender is not for general editing, it’s for 3D animation)
• 1674[14:42:32] <themill> rueda: kdenlive works very nicely for me
• 1675[14:42:32] <rueda> themill: does sony vegas run on debian
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• 1677[14:42:51] <rueda> themill: k thanks
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• 1734[15:15:56] <bipul> I am unable to perform source ~/.bashrc from my bash script. Is there any other alternative?
• 1735[15:17:05] <lesta> to reload only .bashrc you can use . .bashrc
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• 1738[15:18:47] <lesta> read the scripts in .bashrc
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• 1761[15:30:31] <zykotick9> bipul: ahhh, i have an "alias sbr='source ~/.bashrc' " so it should work in a script as well?!?!
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• 1763[15:32:17] <bipul> zykotick9, Oh yes, i may use alias.
• 1764[15:33:41] <zykotick9> bipul: is your script running as your user? is ~ actually the home dir of the user running the script & the intended .bashrc?
• 1765[15:33:58] <PaulePanter> W: replaced-url
• 1766[15:34:06] <PaulePanter> What to do in this situation?
• 1767[15:34:19] <bipul> zykotick9, Yes
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• 1769[15:34:28] <markybob> PaulePanter: i guess you ask them since that's not an official repo
• 1770[15:34:29] <bipul> zykotick9, replaced-url
• 1771[15:34:43] <bipul> see at the line 71
• 1772[15:35:32] <PaulePanter> markybob: Ok.
• 1773[15:36:56] <zykotick9> bipul: you'd need someone with better scripting knowledge than i have... sorry. but i do see there is escallation to sudo involved there, so is it looking in for /root/.bashrc at that point?
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• 1776[15:38:09] <bipul> I don't think so it need /root/.bashrc
• 1777[15:38:52] <bipul> Simply i need to source my .bashrc.
• 1778[15:39:50] <zykotick9> bipul: ahh would using full path vs ~ solve your issue?
• 1779[15:40:14] <bipul> not tried yet, let me try
• 1780[15:40:53] <bezaban> running a bash script starts a new process, in the one ryunning the script the bashrc should be sourced, but not the one you exit too
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• 1783[15:42:37] <bipul> Ohh bezaban Thanks
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• 1788[15:43:20] <bipul> Thank you too zykotick9
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• 1790[15:43:35] <bipul> And thanks all
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• 1792[15:44:47] <bezaban> :)
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• 1794[15:45:23] <bipul> Do you know how to overcome this situation?
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• 1801[15:50:16] <bezaban> bipul: I was looking at some options, you can run the script in the current shell by executing it with '. ./script' or source the script instead of running it I think. It should however be possible to grab the PID of the parent shell and send a signal that process to reload it's configuration, but I am unsure how bash handles the different signals
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• 1811[15:51:54] <bipul> bezaban, I would go with second option. Between i would love if i get some clue to perform it
• 1812[15:52:10] <bipul> Do you know any link?
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• 1816[15:55:44] <bezaban> bipul: $PPID (parent pid) is the variable you are after, then send SIGHUP I think
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• 1818[15:56:04] <bipul> oh great let me work on it
• 1819[15:56:04] <bezaban> but I do not know if bash allows this
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• 1822[15:56:27] <bipul> let see, I am always eager to do something new
• 1823[15:56:29] <bipul> :D
• 1824[15:56:39] <bezaban> a lot of daemons are, so you can get them to reload config like that
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• 1826[15:57:26] <bipul> hum
• 1827[15:57:39] <bezaban> bipul: actually, it looks like bash will not allow this
• 1828[15:57:43] <bezaban> replaced-url
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• 1831[15:58:28] <bipul> I see
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• 1837[16:02:06] <bipul> Ok then go with 1st option.
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• 1882[16:30:35] <vahe> hi,how to check whether all the drivers and if possible tell me how to know what drivers open source ?
• 1883[16:31:18] <vahe> I have now debian is 8.5 I am new to Debian
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• 1885[16:31:51] <vahe> I would like to check and update and all that is connected with drivers
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• 1894[16:37:50] <babilen> vahe: You would simply install a new kernel and, potentially, firmware. Firmware and microcode aren't open source though.
• 1895[16:37:55] <babilen> dpkg: bdo kernel
• 1896[16:37:55] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
• 1897[16:38:00] <babilen> dpkg: microcode
• 1898[16:38:00] <dpkg> Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. replaced-url
• 1899[16:38:03] <babilen> dpkg: firmware
• 1900[16:38:04] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
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• 1905[16:40:53] <vahe> babilen: thanks, but as I understand it Debian does not suit drivers with closed source, for example the graphics driver is lNouveau?
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• 1910[16:42:21] <vahe> debian 8.5 systemd? uname -r
• 1911[16:42:21] <vahe> 3.16.0-4-amd64 if so, why not install the last kernel?
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• 1913[16:42:50] <kitto> anyone available to help me out? I have 772 held packages and some updates will break others that I have.
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• 1916[16:44:00] <markybob> vahe: backports is a bit slower when it comes to security. that's really the only reason
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• 1922[16:46:07] <vahe> markybob: thanks, as I understand the Debian main security
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• 1935[16:55:13] <kitto> can someone help me? here's my problems: replaced-url
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• 1937[16:55:53] <markybob> kitto: no. that's not debian and thus not supported here
• 1938[16:56:19] <kitto> well no one on gnewsense is helping.
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• 1940[16:56:41] <markybob> yeah, we wont either
• 1941[16:56:45] <markybob> !gnewsense
• 1942[16:56:45] <dpkg> gNewSense GNU/Linux is an operating system previously based on <Ubuntu>, now <based on debian> without most non-free software/firmware/binary-only blobs, but with <GFDL>-licensed documentation. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 1943[16:56:59] <markybob> "It is not supported in #debian"
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• 1962[17:14:32] <SilverBallz> replaced-url
• 1963[17:14:56] <abrotman> ok?
• 1964[17:15:23] <babilen> vahe: Sorry, my impression was that you do *not* want the closed source driver. You might be interested in replaced-url
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• 1974[17:24:59] <SilverBallz> After skimming these articles why did gnewsense choose to change to use Debian as there source instead of Ubuntu? Maybe i'm a little too zealous but from what i've skimmed in these articles it almost seems like a... (whats the right term here...) an deliberate attack aimed at the Debian Free Software Guidelines. I must be mistaken right?
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• 1978[17:26:17] <abrotman> SilverBallz: shuldn't you ask them? not us .. how couldwe know?
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• 1980[17:27:48] <SilverBallz> lol very good point
• 1981[17:27:51] <rueda> why does it one second to minimize and mazimie windows in debian that's just silly is there a way to make them instant :/
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• 1983[17:28:20] <SilverBallz> rueda, its a gnome thing.
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• 1986[17:29:11] <SilverBallz> rueda, used to be able to change response time with classic, but these days i don't know whats going on or where to find anything.
• 1987[17:29:36] <SilverBallz> dconf maybe but where?
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• 1991[17:30:23] <markybob> or you could use a sane de
• 1992[17:30:35] <SilverBallz> would be super to have a organized and feature rich settings panel
• 1993[17:30:50] <SilverBallz> thanks markybob
• 1994[17:31:17] <abrotman> rueda: are you seeing it actually redraw?
• 1995[17:31:46] <abrotman> AKA, a helpful response ..
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• 1997[17:32:33] <cmhobbs> is anyone using jessie on a system76 galago ultrapro?
• 1998[17:32:43] <abrotman> cmhobbs: and if they were?
• 1999[17:32:44] <cmhobbs> i'd like to replace ubuntu on it but i'm not sure if the hardware is supported
• 2000[17:32:50] <cmhobbs> i'd just like to know if it works
• 2001[17:33:04] <cmhobbs> it's a laptop provided by work and i don't want to have the installation fail and have to reinstall ubuntu
• 2002[17:33:09] <abrotman> cmhobbs: system76 hardware is generally well supported .. you might need the firmware installer
• 2003[17:33:16] <cmhobbs> yeah, that was my initial thought
• 2004[17:33:29] <cmhobbs> didn't know if that ran on debian or if it was ubuntu specific
• 2005[17:33:37] <cmhobbs> these aren't very good little machines
• 2006[17:33:51] <r1v3n> cmhobbs if it works with ubuntu, it works with debian
• 2007[17:33:52] <rueda> abrotman: no it justs sits and wait
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• 2009[17:34:10] <cmhobbs> r1v3n: not always, especially given the age of some jessie packages
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• 2011[17:34:28] <rueda> SilverBallz: I'm using cinamon not gnome
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• 2014[17:34:48] <markybob> cmhobbs: he meant this replaced-url
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• 2016[17:34:58] <abrotman> rueda: Cinnamon is based on Gnome3
• 2017[17:35:09] <cmhobbs> thanks for the link
• 2018[17:35:21] <rueda> abrotman: wow I suck
• 2019[17:35:36] <abrotman> ?
• 2020[17:35:41] <magyar> hi, when I use "w" to display currently logged in users I get no list of users at all, why?
• 2021[17:35:42] <SilverBallz> rueda, cinamon is gnome. more classic than gnome3 thought.
• 2022[17:35:50] <abrotman> not is gnome ..
• 2023[17:36:12] <abrotman> magyar: From your shell in X?
• 2024[17:36:12] <ByteStorm> its who magyar
• 2025[17:36:27] <SilverBallz> markybob, sane de? all i can find is sane (scanner api) im lost in space at the moment.
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• 2028[17:36:52] <rueda> even scrolling on iceweasel takes 0.2seconds
• 2029[17:36:59] <abrotman> rueda: what is your video card?
• 2030[17:37:14] <markybob> SilverBallz: sane as in ajective "of sound mind; not mad or mentally ill." like xfce
• 2031[17:37:18] <magyar> abrotman: it's from bash ssh session, i just changed the system from i386 to amd64 and it's stopped working
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• 2035[17:37:49] <r1v3n> new xfce is ++
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• 2037[17:38:04] <Talltree> replaced-url
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• 2039[17:38:05] <SilverBallz> lol love how you put that. XFCE is the solid indeed
• 2040[17:38:06] <Aristide> r1v3n ? What news about XFCE ?
• 2041[17:38:14] <Aristide> I use Plasma5 here :x
• 2042[17:38:17] <Aristide> (Hi everybody ^^)
• 2043[17:38:25] <r1v3n> file manager. looks
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• 2045[17:38:32] <SilverBallz> hello Aristide
• 2046[17:38:33] <r1v3n> just perfect. just right.
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• 2048[17:38:46] <Aristide> r1v3n what is your version ?
• 2049[17:38:49] <Aristide> (And File Manager used)
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• 2051[17:38:52] <r1v3n> 4.12i tihnk
• 2052[17:38:53] <r1v3n> sec
• 2053[17:38:56] <markybob> the main thing is file manager got tab support
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• 2055[17:39:07] <Aristide> Here, I use 4.10
• 2056[17:39:09] <r1v3n> yesss
• 2057[17:39:15] <Aristide> Ah only tab support :/
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• 2059[17:39:21] <rueda> abrotman: maybe intel h
• 2060[17:39:26] <Aristide> Like Dolphin ? ^^
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• 2062[17:39:39] <abrotman> Talltree: did you run apt-get update first?
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• 2064[17:40:00] <vahe> babilen: thanks ;)
• 2065[17:40:04] <Talltree> abrotman, yes ofc
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• 2067[17:40:19] <abrotman> Talltree: then paste your sources.list
• 2068[17:40:25] <SilverBallz> markybob, you sent me on a mission looking for something called sane-de haha
• 2069[17:40:27] <r1v3n> lxde, xfce no sane? i mean not sane is running stuff ppl dont need, opening ports etc etc, all becoming like ubuntu
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• 2071[17:40:47] <markybob> SilverBallz: sorry man :/ didn't mean to
• 2072[17:40:47] <r1v3n> avahi, indexing, blah blah 10 daemons no one will ever need
• 2073[17:40:52] <rueda> abrotman: some intel video card
• 2074[17:41:06] <r1v3n> debian with gnome/kde at this point is like ubuntu to me
• 2075[17:41:09] <Aristide> r1v3n lxde is moving to Qt5 and KF5 :D
• 2076[17:41:20] <abrotman> rueda: so do I, windows resize instantly
• 2077[17:41:24] <SilverBallz> no worries :p
• 2078[17:41:29] <SilverBallz> my mistake
• 2079[17:41:32] <BinBasher> Running Jessie, What's the best way to install a single package from stretch?
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• 2081[17:41:35] <Talltree> abrotman, replaced-url
• 2082[17:41:52] <r1v3n> Aristide, as long as they are focused on that
• 2083[17:42:01] <abrotman> Talltree: looks like you've been mixing versions of Debian
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• 2085[17:42:06] <abrotman> BinBasher: /msg dpkg ssb
• 2086[17:42:14] <r1v3n> and not trying to manage my tasks by optimizing notifications
• 2087[17:42:20] <r1v3n> and keeping track on my stuff for me
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• 2089[17:42:34] <r1v3n> work on GUI damn it
• 2090[17:42:46] <Aristide> So, U try to install Trinity Desktop \o/
• 2091[17:42:47] <Aristide> *I
• 2092[17:42:48] <abrotman> Talltree: what did you get from testing/stretch? you may have to remove that before you can install things from stable
• 2093[17:42:49] <r1v3n> they all wanna be windows 10 or sometihng
• 2094[17:42:49] <Aristide> (Not U xD)
• 2095[17:42:50] <Talltree> abrotman, anything i can do to fix it?
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• 2097[17:43:05] <abrotman> Talltree: you can try using aptitude also, it's sometimes better at problem resolution
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• 2099[17:43:15] * abrotman steps away for a minute
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• 2103[17:44:15] <SilverBallz> r1v3n, i understand exactly what you mean but that is a bit disrespectful my friend
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• 2106[17:45:09] <SilverBallz> r1v3n, i think you would love XFCE
• 2107[17:45:31] <CrowX-> I attached a new disk to my machine, and it's not shown by "fdisk -l", nor "lsblk".
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• 2109[17:46:02] <Aristide> SilverBallz do you have test last version of Plasma5 ?
• 2110[17:46:38] <CrowX-> how can I see and if possible, mount my disk?
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• 2113[17:46:52] <Talltree> abrotman, omfg it freaking worked
• 2114[17:46:54] <rueda> abrotman: no way
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• 2117[17:47:48] <SilverBallz> Aristide, no sir. tried it a while but and thought it was going in the right direction though
• 2118[17:47:56] <rueda> can I download and install software from debian-multimedia.org repository
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• 2120[17:48:00] <SilverBallz> back* not but
• 2121[17:48:18] <SilverBallz> rueda, no libdvvcss2
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• 2123[17:48:24] <markybob> rueda: you shouldn't
• 2124[17:48:28] <markybob> !deb-multimedia
• 2125[17:48:28] <SilverBallz> libdvdcss2 brb
• 2126[17:48:28] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
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• 2129[17:49:14] * Talltree is using i3 btw
• 2130[17:49:31] <Aristide> SilverBallz Oh ? What is problem about KDE Direction ?
• 2131[17:49:54] <rueda> thanks pro
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• 2133[17:50:46] <SilverBallz> Aristide, oh thats not what i meant :). I loved it! I just didnt have the fastest system to run it along side with some other things i was doing at the time (simulation testing)
• 2134[17:50:57] <Aristide> Ah ok :)
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• 2136[17:51:16] <SilverBallz> the only reason im using gnome is just trying to stay on the same page as debian...
• 2137[17:51:17] <Aristide> Yes KDE 4 has a big Problem : « All In One KDE Libs » :/
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• 2139[17:51:38] <markybob> SilverBallz: that doesnt make any sense
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• 2141[17:51:41] <Aristide> And this problem has fixed in KF5
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• 2143[17:52:23] <SilverBallz> markybob, im a minimalist. all about the efficent foundation
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• 2145[17:52:38] <markybob> gnome is not minimalist. not even close
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• 2148[17:52:59] <SilverBallz> markybob, lots of complex eloquence that comes with plasma.
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• 2152[17:53:11] <markybob> i don't care for plasma either
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• 2155[17:53:25] <hektabyte> Hey guys!
• 2156[17:53:27] <markybob> just you're not making sense
• 2157[17:53:30] <SilverBallz> Really? i love Kate but didnt want all the libs.
• 2158[17:53:51] <hektabyte> Phew, I thought that my VPN wasn't working for a seconds...turns out that I'm just being ignored in #openvpn hahaha...
• 2159[17:53:59] <Aristide> SilverBallz Kate5 ?
• 2160[17:53:59] <markybob> kate? heh
• 2161[17:54:00] <hektabyte> second*
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• 2163[17:54:30] <SilverBallz> markybob, i know brother.
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• 2167[17:55:08] <markybob> sister actually. but who cares ;)
• 2168[17:55:18] <Aristide> I see :)
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• 2170[17:55:41] <SilverBallz> markybob, the Debian community has chosen to use gnome as the default windows manager. For now id just like to stay 'uptodate'...
• 2171[17:56:51] <SilverBallz> :)
• 2172[17:57:01] <markybob> desktop enviornment, not window manager. and i dont know why you assume a lot of us don't use others
• 2173[17:57:14] <SilverBallz> thank you. im getting old.
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• 2175[17:57:29] <SilverBallz> no its not that.
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• 2177[17:57:57] <hektabyte> Has anyone figured out how to use Raedon hybrid graphic cards on Debian? I tried everything and the system can't event detect the second card.
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• 2179[17:58:03] <hektabyte> even*
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• 2181[17:59:18] <SilverBallz> markybob, if a new linux user choses debian as one of there first attempts at using Linux this is what they get.
• 2182[17:59:31] <SilverBallz> There for i would like to understand what and how to support that
• 2183[17:59:56] <SilverBallz> thats the idea anyway
• 2184[17:59:58] <SilverBallz> lol
• 2185[18:00:10] <SilverBallz> not accomplish by any means
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• 2187[18:00:54] <poeticrpm> SilverBallz, not sure Debian is the best place to start with Linux
• 2188[18:01:20] <poeticrpm> better than Arch or Gentoo or something, but a new user is going to be lost with debian
• 2189[18:01:59] <LambdaComplex> poeticrpm: what's wrong with starting with debian?
• 2190[18:02:26] <poeticrpm> "I have to open a terminal and type what to update?" The xfce variant of debian stable doesnt even have an update manager. You either apt-get/aptitude or use synaptic
• 2191[18:02:35] <hektabyte> Debian with Cinnamon is ok. I installed it on my mother's computer and She has no problems using it.
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• 2193[18:02:45] <poeticrpm> LambdaComplex, nothing if you want to learn
• 2194[18:03:05] <hektabyte> Though She only uses Firefox and Skype tbh. :)
• 2195[18:03:59] <markybob> poeticrpm: of course it doesn't it's xfce. it's meant to be minimal.
• 2196[18:04:15] <poeticrpm> LambdaComplex, im just saying that someone new to linux is going to freeze if they arent driven. My 58yo mom uses Mint and hasnt had a single issue or opened the terminal once in 2 years. Pretty sure Debian isnt that (though its 10 times better I agree)
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• 2200[18:05:22] <poeticrpm> markybob, true, and im not even remotely complaining. I setup Debian xfce on my g/fs computer a few weeks ago. She has no problems but has used Xubuntu for years
• 2201[18:06:08] <SilverBallz> poeticrpm, since the aim is for Debian is to be "The Universal Operating System" perhaps the new user experiences needs to be looked into?
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• 2203[18:06:42] <SilverBallz> many new users i've talked to confirm what you have said
• 2204[18:06:52] <SilverBallz> and they return to windows :(
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• 2207[18:07:02] <SilverBallz> most windows xp lol but still
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• 2210[18:07:35] <poeticrpm> SilverBallz, IMO, trying to make Debian easier isnt practical- Debian is great at what it does. I would rather new users went xubuntu or mint. If they need more, they will come
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• 2212[18:07:58] <LambdaComplex> isn't mint basically a frankendebian?
• 2213[18:08:05] <markybob> yes
• 2214[18:08:21] <markybob> i'm surprised ubuntu made it and not progeny. but i guess that's getting offtopic
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• 2216[18:08:58] <SilverBallz> poeticrpm, wisdom over zeal wins over all
• 2217[18:09:05] <poeticrpm> LambdaComplex, I agree, but it is aimed to be mindless unlike debian. It has its purpose, and so does debian.
• 2218[18:09:26] <poeticrpm> SilverBallz, :)
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• 2234[18:14:24] <SilverBallz> Someone mentioned Gentoo earlier on, in my opinion the process Gentoo uses is the most supreme method of operating a system per machine. i have a dream to reproduces what Gentoo does using Debian. Just looking for the right time to dedicate that much research and work to compile everything starting with the installer.
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• 2237[18:15:08] <SilverBallz> It's much much easier to accomplish that it looks on paper too.
• 2238[18:15:13] <SilverBallz> than*
• 2239[18:15:27] <markybob> !greenhouse
• 2240[18:15:27] <dpkg> Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian!
• 2241[18:15:33] <SilverBallz> lmao
• 2242[18:15:59] <SilverBallz> Not when you mind is focus on quantum computing markybob
• 2243[18:16:07] <markybob> oh please
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• 2246[18:21:57] <SilverBallz> havnt you noticed mobile computers have already replaced the classical computer? next is quantum computing.
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• 2248[18:23:49] <SilverBallz> we wont even have fusion until we accomplish this
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• 2250[18:24:26] <markybob> we've had fusion. and we're not doing this soon. and it's off topic anyway
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• 2254[18:26:29] <SilverBallz> using a Debian based quantum computer or even a classical super computer to operate a nuclear reactor in #debian is off topic? my bad Sister ;(
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• 2267[18:34:00] <SilverBallz> The goal of what i was trying to explain is to dedicate and squeeze every bit/qubit of processing power the machine can produce to a specific purpose such as simulation/calculation/operation.
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• 2269[18:34:36] <SilverBallz> but i'll stop babbling, just a bit lonley these days lol
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• 2302[18:52:09] <r1v3n> SilverBallz xfce is what i use :)
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• 2304[18:52:24] <SuperTramp83> xfce ftw!!
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• 2309[18:54:08] <r1v3n> and ubuntu searching internet is a bit disrespectful too
• 2310[18:54:17] <r1v3n> hence i say windows 10 like
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• 2314[18:54:51] <r1v3n> u know, when home screen search bar
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• 2318[18:56:50] <r1v3n> *boom* becomes online.. and by default.. it's cool to have these features, but having it all on by default is plain lame. KDE plasma looked nice until i tried to disable calender/file indexer/other stuff i dont want.
• 2319[18:57:02] <r1v3n> impossible, breaks kde.
• 2320[18:57:36] <r1v3n> put up iptable to block all /in/out, gnome wont load mouse
• 2321[18:57:45] <MoonyTheDwarf> i have the feeling win10 actually stole the bottom bar look from some linux graphical interface
• 2322[18:57:51] <r1v3n> yea, no mouse pointer in gnome
• 2323[18:58:05] <r1v3n> becasue iptables is blocking all...
• 2324[18:58:21] <Maws> Anyone know why MC have trouble copying large files cia SSH? (reports disk is full), but it's not.......copy works fine with gnomes filemanager....
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• 2327[18:58:37] <r1v3n> MoonyTheDwarf, so many things windown 10 is proudly presenting are funny
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• 2329[18:58:49] <r1v3n> as they been around on most linux* forever]
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• 2335[19:03:14] <__CoolGuy> Hi
• 2336[19:03:21] <MoonyTheDwarf> Hello
• 2337[19:03:25] <__CoolGuy> I have no audio in my laptop
• 2338[19:03:36] <MoonyTheDwarf> Make sure it is not muted
• 2339[19:03:58] <__CoolGuy> I use other Centos and it works
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• 2342[19:04:54] <MoonyTheDwarf> Im no debian guru, but you probably configured something wrong, or you didnt install something
• 2343[19:05:06] <__CoolGuy> I did what you said
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• 2346[19:05:41] <__CoolGuy> ls
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• 2349[19:06:27] <__CoolGuy> xD it's working now
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• 2351[19:06:41] <MoonyTheDwarf> hey wow, i helped lol
• 2352[19:06:41] <__CoolGuy> I did nothing
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• 2356[19:07:46] <__CoolGuy> It's just wierd
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• 2358[19:08:56] <SilverBallz> KP708, perhaps i need to borrow that alias.
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• 2364[19:15:22] <__CoolGuy> Is there a command like "blk" or something like that?
• 2365[19:16:04] <__CoolGuy> I need this cammand, but doens't appear.
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• 2374[19:20:56] <abrotman> __CoolGuy: to do what?
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• 2382[19:22:46] <hexnewbie> __CoolGuy: Also: apropos blk
• 2383[19:23:11] <hexnewbie> __CoolGuy: Though, be careful, one of those commands is very destructive
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• 2391[19:26:23] <R4F_Debian> Hi all
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• 2393[19:27:55] <hexadecimal> Hello
• 2394[19:28:31] <R4F_Debian> Hi hexadecimal, Nice to see you again ! Don't see you for a long time ! :)
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• 2401[19:31:21] <R4F_Debian> Please, I'd like to know if is that possible exchange my Debian Jessie file system - currently using 'BTRFS', but intend to come back to 'XFS' - without having to reformatting my hard drive with other new Debian installation
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• 2406[19:32:22] <petn-randall> R4F_Debian: There's no in-place conversion from BTRFS to XFS possible, sorry.
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• 2408[19:33:27] <hexnewbie> R4F_Debian: It would be easiest to copy to a spare drive, mkfs and copy back. (There is in fact a filesystem-agnostic hack that allows conversions, but it's risky, old, prone to failure, outright bizarre and probably will get the whole thing very fragmented)
• 2409[19:33:43] <explo> R4F_Debian: why do you want to switch ?
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• 2422[19:39:05] <Bleakney> I'm just wondering: If there is an usb stick, working fine with on other OS (with the same sim card), does register on the network, but after asking the password it simply disconnects every time - could it be because of resolvconf? Or could maybe point someone in the right direction?
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• 2424[19:39:09] <hexnewbie> petn-randall: You *can* convert in-place by creating a sparse file with the size of the block device inside the old filesystem, format it with the new ones, move all files there, and then write the sparse device back to the block device (but that requires syscalls, like getting the block device location of the parts of the file, that might not be supported by fancy filesystems like Btrfs)
• 2425[19:39:45] <R4F_Debian> back here, sorry not answering you before petn-randall
• 2426[19:40:01] <R4F_Debian> Bye the way, Glad to see you again ! :)
• 2427[19:40:05] <Bleakney> It seems there is a little detail I'm missing as the usb is in modem mode, it asks for the pin, registers on the network, after connecting it asks for the password and instead of a connection it simply disconnects
• 2428[19:40:06] <hexnewbie> Otherwise known as "holy CoW"
• 2429[19:40:52] <R4F_Debian> Hi hexnewbie ! I see, hexnewbie, so probably I should damage my System, for it's a possible risk.
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• 2432[19:41:18] <Bleakney> I mean on Debian, on other distro configuring with the same data it works fine after providing the password for the network.
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• 2434[19:41:35] <hexnewbie> Bleakney: By "usb stick" you mean a USB GSM/CDMA/3G/4G (or however that's called) modem?
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• 2437[19:41:52] <Bleakney> hexnewbie Yes, UMTS/3G
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• 2439[19:42:20] <Bleakney> I read that usb-modeswitch is not needed anymore
• 2440[19:42:41] <R4F_Debian> Hi explo, I'm receiving some error messages that I never received before with 'btrfs', it seems it's still a bit unstable. Next reboot, I will record these messages and pass to you after, just for you to have any idea about it
• 2441[19:42:43] <Bleakney> but lsusb shows "modem mode" anyway and it registers on the network, so everything seems to be fine.
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• 2443[19:43:34] <R4F_Debian> explo, in XFS an EXT4, my Debian was booting more fastely than it is now. And these error messages I told you
• 2444[19:43:37] <__CoolGuy> again the sound is gone
• 2445[19:43:40] <Bleakney> hexnewbie Btw on network-manager it is called "mobile broadband"
• 2446[19:43:55] <__CoolGuy> xD
• 2447[19:44:03] <explo> R4F_Debian: I am about to switch from ext3 to btrfs tomorrow :S i think i will rethink this :(
• 2448[19:44:19] <Bleakney> Hmmm, maybe it could be a firewall issue...
• 2449[19:44:27] <Artemis3> wow ext3? you did took your time xD
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• 2451[19:44:54] <explo> its been a while now yeah xD
• 2452[19:45:12] <Artemis3> its possible to migrate ext3 to ext4 ^^
• 2453[19:45:49] <hexnewbie> Bleakney: Yeah, I have a portable with such modem and network manager, but never bought a SIM card for it, so I am not exactly qualified to help. Do you have any idea if the OS sees it as a modem?
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• 2455[19:46:04] <explo> Artemis3: i know - but my ext3 never had any problems :)
• 2456[19:46:20] <Artemis3> fair enough
• 2457[19:46:25] <R4F_Debian> explo, don't know what has happened, perhaps my hypothesis is wrong, and 'BTRFS' has any issue itself, but I take care a lot about my Debian System and this UNIX-like OS is quite stable and secure.
• 2458[19:46:29] <explo> at least for me ^^
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• 2460[19:46:42] <Artemis3> i just hated the long fscks with ext3
• 2461[19:46:43] <hexnewbie> explo: Last time I decided to give Btrfs a test run three years ago, I decided to wait three more decades before switching. It was slow, easily destructible.
• 2462[19:47:08] <Bleakney> hexnewbie I guess that it sees it as it would not register on the network otherwise. As I mentioned, after trying to connect it even asks for the network password and it disconnects after that every time.
• 2463[19:47:16] <R4F_Debian> yes, hexnewbie, I realized similar situation here
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• 2465[19:47:53] <explo> oh - sound bad :/ - the last things i read about btrfs wasnt so bad ...
• 2466[19:47:54] <R4F_Debian> Unfortunately, it seems 'BTRFS' doesn't follow the same stability as Debian
• 2467[19:48:11] <Artemis3> hexnewbie, i was waiting for distros to set it as default (ie, others do the guinea pig testing xD) i think Fedora? Suse? uses it?
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• 2470[19:48:27] <teraflops> I have a couple of jessie machines doing btrfs + subvols and no issues at all
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• 2473[19:49:22] <R4F_Debian> and XFS is corporative and High Performance file system. Not without reason Red Hat Enterprise Linux uses it as its default file system
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• 2475[19:49:29] <teraflops> I'd say, use a kernel from backports and avoid old (slow) hard disks
• 2476[19:50:20] <R4F_Debian> Debian + XFS = Unbeatable UNIX-like System
• 2477[19:50:22] <Artemis3> is that an io scheduler issue or
• 2478[19:50:38] <Artemis3> for the slow disks
• 2479[19:50:58] <teraflops> Artemis3: hmm sounds possible
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• 2483[19:51:45] <R4F_Debian> Hi teraflops, I see, my hard disks are new here, and relatively fast with other fs, but according your experience with BTRFS in Debian, as you realized any error messages during booting phase, related to it ?
• 2484[19:53:03] <teraflops> R4F_Debian: nope, no weird behaviour/error messages. also the actual error messages would help
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• 2486[19:53:24] <R4F_Debian> but, there is a question, explo, as I said you before: perhaps I'm wrong about my shot, not so sure about it, but to avoid a permanent state of doubt, I prefer switch to XFS again
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• 2488[19:53:40] <R4F_Debian> yes, teraflops, I see
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• 2490[19:53:56] <explo> R4F_Debian: but you cant shrink XFS as far as i know :(
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• 2493[19:55:02] <unborn> so xfs is better then ext4?
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• 2495[19:55:07] <explo> R4F_Debian: but i think i will upgrade to EXT4 instead of BTRFS with my new drives
• 2496[19:55:13] <R4F_Debian> yes, explo, I should have to reformat my hard drive with other new Debian Installation, or wait a bit more to explore with more time 'BTRFS' functionalities in My Debian
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• 2499[19:55:31] <Aaron> replaced-url
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• 2502[19:55:42] <Artemis3> well R4F_Debian the "unbeatable unix" might be worth testing against zfs with freebsd :3
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• 2508[19:56:15] <R4F_Debian> Hi unborn ! According I have read, XFS is similar to ZFS in several technical attributes, but ZFS has Logical Volume management added that XFS does not have
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• 2510[19:56:37] <JyZyXEL> next year btrfs will turn 10 years old
• 2511[19:56:49] <teraflops> R4F_Debian: unless you want subvols (or store snapshots) I dont see the point of using btrfs though
• 2512[19:56:58] <squaredcircle> you goddamn crooked nigger dick suckin Jew/British thieving trash need to pay the fuckin royalties you bastards owe on trillions of fuckin dollars
• 2513[19:57:06] <teraflops> oh boy
• 2514[19:57:08] <R4F_Debian> but it doesn't prevent XFS for being one of the most powerful and fast file system for Linux. And with Debian it is quite fast
• 2515[19:57:13] <Artemis3> lol
• 2516[19:57:18] <Aaron> !ops squaredcircle lamer insulting
• 2517[19:57:19] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: aaron complains about: squaredcircle lamer insulting
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• 2519[19:57:36] <Aaron> replaced-url
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• 2522[19:57:39] <unborn> explo: im using ext4 on normal hdds, sshds, ssds it worked so far so good (been couple of years) and could not fund any issues
• 2523[19:57:39] <teraflops> Aaron: just put the troll in /ignore
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• 2526[19:58:03] <explo> unborn: thank you for your input :)
• 2527[19:58:09] <squaredcircle> Aaron...fuck you up your goddamn ass you motherfuckin crooked nigger dick suckin thieving Jew son of a bitch
• 2528[19:58:23] <R4F_Debian> As I use Debian as my Primary System, it makes difference for me. I use others, FreeBSD with ZFS, for example, but Debian comes first, because it is much more stable and fast than FreeBSD 10.3 (last release), using XFS, or even using EXT4
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• 2530[19:58:35] <alternate_nick> hi
• 2531[19:58:36] <squaredcircle> you filthy thieving trash dont fuckin deserve to live
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• 2534[19:59:00] <squaredcircle> you goddamn hardware sons of bitches owe royalties on trillions of fuckin dollars made over decades
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• 2536[19:59:09] <alternate_nick> yikes what did i just walk in on
• 2537[19:59:09] <Artemis3> R4F_Debian, faster for....? storage? net?
• 2538[19:59:35] <squaredcircle> sorry crooked nigger dick suckin thieving trash
• 2539[19:59:43] <alternate_nick> what happened
• 2540[19:59:46] <unborn> R4F_Debian: well I am interesting to try this out on one of my spare machines.. specially older ones.. with classic hdd in.. but I bet that it wont help increase file searches or anything - I mean speed
• 2541[19:59:56] <Artemis3> ignore the random nobody cares about troll
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• 2543[20:00:00] <teraflops> R4F_Debian: you say faster as in xfs is 30x faster that e.g ext4 and it is not that faster
• 2544[20:00:05] <Aaron> where are the ops,
• 2545[20:00:05] <Aaron> at
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• 2547[20:00:32] <alternate_nick> !ops
• 2548[20:00:32] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
• 2549[20:00:34] <alternate_nick> i think
• 2550[20:00:35] <unborn> Aaron: just put him on your ignore
• 2551[20:00:41] <Aaron> i did;
• 2552[20:00:47] <squaredcircle> Aaron...looking for help you goddamn sorry nigger dick suckin thieving Jew trash
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• 2555[20:01:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o babilen
• 2556[20:01:07] *** babilen sets mode: +b *!*@108-73-176-239.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net
• 2557[20:01:07] *** squaredcircle was kicked by babilen (you should know better)
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• 2559[20:01:13] <Aaron> thanks god.
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• 2561[20:01:26] <Artemis3> thank babilen
• 2562[20:01:28] <Igel> i was about to /msg him some rage..
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• 2564[20:01:39] <Artemis3> oh but you can still do
• 2565[20:01:43] <R4F_Debian> Hi Artemis3 ! I realized both storage large files and for net, in my case
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• 2567[20:01:51] <Igel> or her.. eh, it. the troll.
• 2568[20:02:08] <teraflops> you guys were doing same noise as the troll did, just put the troll in ignore next time
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• 2572[20:03:11] <Igel> we wha?
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• 2574[20:03:28] <teraflops> oh BitchX is a bad bad choice
• 2575[20:03:38] <R4F_Debian> well, I tried all of them, unborn, XFS, BTRFS, EXT4 - at least in my case, XFS and EXT4 always worked fine without any issue
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• 2577[20:03:47] <Igel> i just saw some non-#debian crap in my quassel irc client monitor window.. so, heh..
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• 2579[20:04:25] <Igel> w/ever
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• 2581[20:04:48] <R4F_Debian> but, as I said before, I'm still newbie on Linux Administration
• 2582[20:04:53] <unborn> R4F_Debian: fine, I defo give it try :) never used btrfs before and I dont think so I will ever try it.. thanks for info man
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• 2586[20:05:43] <teraflops> unborn: as I said above unless you want subvols (or store snapshots) I dont see the point of using btrfs though
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• 2589[20:06:45] <R4F_Debian> try BTRFS first, unborn, perhaps you will like it. Because of stability, I feel more comfortable using XFS and EXT4 again. In my case, I will install other Debian Jessie with XFS
• 2590[20:07:53] <R4F_Debian> like teraflops said, unborn, if you really need subvols, BTRFS can be useful for you
• 2591[20:08:27] <unborn> R4F_Debian: I stay on ext4.. been using it 7 years now or something like that and to me its best choice however I would test xfs on older machine to see if that can give a bit performance out.. I dont use system snaps on normal full system..
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• 2593[20:08:49] <teraflops> hmm I have video in mediagoblin
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• 2595[20:09:01] <teraflops> replaced-url
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• 2598[20:10:21] <R4F_Debian> teraflops, not XFS 30x faster than others, such as EXT4,but there are lots of Enterprise environments that use Debian with ZFS (through dkms module ) and XFS, that is quite stable and native for Debian
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• 2602[20:10:38] <Artemis3> the other benefits of btrfs would be compression, deduplication and encryption
• 2603[20:11:04] <R4F_Debian> yes, Arttemis3, similar to ZFS
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• 2605[20:11:31] <teraflops> R4F_Debian: I avoid ubuntu if I can, also I avoid zfs on linux because it's not in the kernel
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• 2612[20:11:55] <R4F_Debian> I wait for the complete and stable BTRFS release, but when it is going to happen ?
• 2613[20:12:11] <Artemis3> unless you use that unsupported patch xD
• 2614[20:12:14] <teraflops> R4F_Debian: it's already stable
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• 2616[20:12:28] <R4F_Debian> me too, teraflops, I don't like Ubuntu, The Master is Technically Superior (Debian, of course) :)
• 2617[20:12:39] <teraflops> R4F_Debian: but if you mean debian, use a backported kernel as I said
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• 2619[20:12:55] <unborn> teraflops: what color theme is that? :)
• 2620[20:12:56] <Artemis3> might as well kFreebsd :3
• 2621[20:13:14] <teraflops> unborn: hmm, it has no name hehe
• 2622[20:13:43] <unborn> teraflops: i like it, its not eyes intrusive as b/w
• 2623[20:13:55] <R4F_Debian> yes, teraflops, for Debian you should necessarily having to use it through dkms module implementation, and I don't like this alternative
• 2624[20:14:08] <teraflops> unborn: replaced-url
• 2625[20:14:32] <unborn> teraflops: thanks!
• 2626[20:14:36] <teraflops> np
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• 2628[20:14:55] <R4F_Debian> Artemis3, do you know anyone who uses Debian GNU/kFreeBSD ?
• 2629[20:15:22] <Artemis3> not beyond experimentation, i have personally used freebsd itself
• 2630[20:15:51] <R4F_Debian> me too, I basically use Debian GNU/Linux Jessie (My first one) and FreeBSD with ZFS
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• 2632[20:16:42] <teraflops> also zfs is broken right now in ubuntu lts or that I've heard
• 2633[20:17:00] <R4F_Debian> in 4 machines I have here, Debian Jessie with XFS or EXT4 is faster and more stable than FreeBSD last release, both using UFS2 or ZFS
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• 2636[20:17:33] <R4F_Debian> I like FreeBSD a lot, but because several reasons, I don't like Debian.... I LOVE IT !
• 2637[20:17:46] <teraflops> R4F_Debian: openbsd is love
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• 2643[20:19:58] <R4F_Debian> I had a OpenBSD 5.7 Installation on VBox, teraflops, just for tests, liked OpenBSD installation. Other precise and very logical installation is from NetBSD, more detailed
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• 2645[20:20:44] <R4F_Debian> but Debian has one option (expert installation) that is very detailed and quite logically structured. More detailed than in NetBSD, I think
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• 2648[20:21:43] <R4F_Debian> teraflops, I have a Friend from Ohio that belongs to zfsonlinux, and he was using ubuntu, but was thinking to come back to FreeBSD, perhaps for the same reason
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• 2651[20:22:19] <R4F_Debian> Other OS I like a lot is Kali, because it remembers me Debian a lot
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• 2653[20:22:42] <R4F_Debian> and there is Dyson and DilOS, both Illumos kernel and based on Debian
• 2654[20:22:46] <Artemis3> thats just a derivative
• 2655[20:23:03] <R4F_Debian> yes, Artemis3
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• 2658[20:23:54] <Artemis3> ubuntu can also remind you of debian fwiw (use mini iso and behold debian installer with purple background)
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• 2664[20:26:25] <abrotman> And back to Debian ...
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• 2996[21:07:57] <R4F_Debian> the channel is blocked ?
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• 2999[21:08:04] <hexadecimal> Hello?
• 3000[21:08:37] <R4F_Debian> hexadecimal, can you see my message ?
• 3001[21:09:29] <hexadecimal> R4F_Debian: no
• 3002[21:09:37] <epsilon> me neither
• 3003[21:09:56] <R4F_Debian> no, you replied me, so you can see it
• 3004[21:10:13] <hexadecimal> R4F_Debian: obviously, lol
• 3005[21:10:32] <R4F_Debian> yes, so your asnwerd should be: yes :)
• 3006[21:10:40] <R4F_Debian> your answer
• 3007[21:10:43] <awwal> Why when login in X without a graphical environment, just starting one application (xinitrc ---» exec chromium - then using startx) X dons't use 100% of the display resolution?
• 3008[21:11:03] <hexadecimal> R4F_Debian: it was just low level humor ;)
• 3009[21:11:14] <R4F_Debian> oh, Great ! ehehehe
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• 3023[21:18:54] <tripkin> teraflops, hope you don't mind. I scooped your color scheme as well. I really like it. Only changes I made to it were 0:9A9C9D and 8:AAAAAA because the were too dark. Very readable now.
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• 3034[21:25:32] <tripkin> Well, apparently that was a conversation stopper. LOL
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• 3056[21:36:33] <teraflops> tripkin: np ;)
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• 3074[21:45:26] <R4F_Debian> Must go now, See you, Debian Warriors ! Bye All !
• 3075[21:45:30] <teraflops> o/
• 3076[21:45:49] <R4F_Debian> See you teraflops, Glad to talk to you today ! :)
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• 3079[21:46:15] <TheSin> with mke2fs is there a way on the cli to specify an alternative mke2fs.conf ?
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• 3084[21:48:35] <teraflops> ma__rc: better ask on #debian-next at irc.oftc.net network
• 3085[21:48:45] <ma__rc> thx
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• 3113[22:07:52] <JmGV> I have a massive pciepro errors that flood my hard disk and I cant not even install debian
• 3114[22:08:01] <JmGV> i have an asus with nvidia graphics
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• 3116[22:08:04] <JmGV> any help?
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• 3134[22:18:24] <sm00th> JmGV, are you installing from cdrom?
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• 3137[22:19:42] <sm00th> JmGV, try changing sata cable maybe
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• 3139[22:20:41] <sm00th> or maybe its an ethernet driver problem?
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• 3154[22:28:05] <zero_coder> what is the current kernel version in jesse?
• 3155[22:28:22] <^v> i dont even know
• 3156[22:28:35] <^v> both my machines have upgraded kernels
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• 3158[22:29:12] <^v> zero_coder, i think 3.4
• 3159[22:29:18] <H4ndy> 3.16.7
• 3160[22:29:25] <H4ndy> with debian 8.5
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• 3162[22:29:48] <^v> 3.16.0-4
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• 3164[22:29:57] <^v> with jessie
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• 3167[22:30:38] <zero_coder> H4ndy, errr. thats pretty old kernel
• 3168[22:31:03] <H4ndy> welcome to debian ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 3169[22:31:20] <^v> jessie-backports has replaced-url
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• 3171[22:31:42] <^v> which is what i use when i want to easily install an updated kernel
• 3172[22:32:17] <zero_coder> H4ndy, i was a ubuntu user couple of months back. but then i bought my new laptop which has a skylake cpu, and old kernels really sucks on this one
• 3173[22:32:31] <H4ndy> what ^v said ^
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• 3175[22:32:57] <zero_coder> H4ndy, 4.5 is not good enough, serious battery performance issues
• 3176[22:33:11] <H4ndy> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 3177[22:33:35] <^v> zero_coder, even with a conservative governor?
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• 3179[22:33:46] <babilen> ,kernels
• 3180[22:33:47] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-trunk-686 (4.6-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.5.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
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• 3184[22:34:26] <zero_coder> ^v, what about conservative governer?
• 3185[22:34:45] <^v> my dedi runs 4.3.3-xanmod7
• 3186[22:35:16] <zero_coder> ^v, you were saying something about conservative governor?
• 3187[22:35:19] <^v> zero_coder, ahhh skylake?
• 3188[22:35:34] <zero_coder> ^v, yep , skylake. thats the whole issue
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• 3190[22:35:37] <^v> yeah linux kernels havent been good with power managment on skylake
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• 3192[22:35:52] <zero_coder> ^v, 4.6.2 is pretty okay.
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• 3194[22:36:07] <^v> you probably want to find a 3rd party one compiled specifically with tweaks for skylake
• 3195[22:36:27] <zero_coder> its giving me decent backup. but i am running arch and i have to tweak every fucking thing myself.
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• 3197[22:36:53] <^v> yeah intel changed a lot
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• 3199[22:37:07] <zero_coder> ^v, yep
• 3200[22:37:20] <^v> unfortunately they have only been giving windows love and drivers
• 3201[22:37:32] <^v> heck even some documentation would be nice
• 3202[22:37:36] <^v> but no :(
• 3203[22:37:42] <zero_coder> ^v, i have been a ubuntu/debian user for like 3-4 years.
• 3204[22:37:49] <babilen> zero_coder: 4.6 is in sid and shouldn't be too tricky to backport. On that hardware I'd personally track stretch/sid anyway.
• 3205[22:37:50] <^v> me too
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• 3207[22:38:09] <babilen> The kernel handbook details how to do that. Or you just wait for it to hit jessie-backports.
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• 3209[22:38:34] <zero_coder> babilen, i am seriously waiting for 4.6 -4.7 or debian/ubutu or derivatives
• 3210[22:38:45] <zero_coder> arch is pushing me too much
• 3211[22:38:51] <^v> installing a new kernel isnt black magic
• 3212[22:39:04] <^v> :v
• 3213[22:39:14] <zero_coder> ^v, :P , but never did that before?
• 3214[22:39:30] <babilen> zero_coder: I don't quite follow. 4.6 is in Debian.
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• 3217[22:39:48] <zero_coder> babilen, which one?
• 3218[22:39:59] <babilen> ,kernels
• 3219[22:40:01] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-trunk-686 (4.6-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.5.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
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• 3221[22:40:07] <babilen> zero_coder: ^ take a look again
• 3222[22:40:13] <babilen> dpkg: kernel handbook
• 3223[22:40:13] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
• 3224[22:40:13] <zero_coder> babilen, cool
• 3225[22:40:14] <^v> if your GPU drivers were installed with dkms all you need to do is install the headers, update-grub, and dkms autoinstall IIRC
• 3226[22:40:21] <^v> and everything just works
• 3227[22:40:54] <zero_coder> babilen, now i am running arch i have to change it to debian
• 3228[22:41:07] <zero_coder> ^v, would love to be back home( ubuntu/debian)
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• 3231[22:42:14] <zero_coder> babilen, do you use debian or any derivatives?
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• 3235[22:44:26] <babilen> sure
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• 3248[22:54:08] <sm00th> debian easiest distro to compile kernel on.
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• 3250[22:54:54] <alternate_nick> you know how aptitude shows info regarding packages before you downlaod them?
• 3251[22:55:07] <alternate_nick> does apt-get or apt-cache have something like that
• 3252[22:55:47] <zero_coder> sm00th, never tried compiling kernel
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• 3254[22:56:12] <sm00th> zero_coder, i do it this way replaced-url
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• 3256[22:56:34] <sm00th> when I install kernel-package though I do --no-install-recommends
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• 3264[22:58:10] <alternate_nick> apt-cache showpkg shows some info but not like a description
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• 3272[23:03:51] <alternate_nick> apt-cache show xyz
• 3273[23:04:08] <alternate_nick> the package i was looking at just didnt have a description by the looks of it
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