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0[00:00:27] <awwal> also comment the third line source bla bla bla
1[00:00:41] <arrrrrrrgh> third line source? ;_;
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3[00:01:16] <tuxi> wouldn't the wifi be wlan0?
4[00:01:22] <awwal> source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
5[00:02:37] <awwal> leave uncommented only the two line: auto lo and iface lo inet loopback
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8[00:03:26] <arrrrrrrgh> The problem remains that my kernel driver for wifi is not loaded
9[00:03:53] <arrrrrrrgh> Configuring the interface is all well and good but without a driver to run the hardware I am still wifiless :(
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11[00:04:09] <awwal> !kernels
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13[00:04:27] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.7-rc3, stable 4.6: 4.6.2, stable 4.5: 4.5.7, longterm 4.4: 4.4.13, longterm 4.1: 4.1.26, longterm 3.18: 3.18.35, longterm 3.16: 3.16.36, longterm 3.14: 3.14.72, longterm 3.12: 3.12.60, longterm 3.10: 3.10.102, longterm 3.4: 3.4.112, longterm 3.2: 3.2.81, linux-next: next-20160617
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15[00:05:06] <awwal> ! jessie kernel
16[00:05:07] <dpkg> Debian 8 "Jessie" released with the Linux 3.16 kernel, see replaced-url
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19[00:06:17] <arrrrrrrgh> Now I have to find out what the drivers are called so I can manually load them :|
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21[00:06:27] <arrrrrrrgh> I have spent more time on wifi in Debian than I spent on installing most of Arch ;_;
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23[00:06:33] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, according to that debian wiki entry iwlwifi with kernel 3.16.7-ckt9-2 should support your card
24[00:06:38] <arrrrrrrgh> It sure should
25[00:06:39] <arrrrrrrgh> But it doesn't load
26[00:06:43] <arrrrrrrgh> So whether it supports is a nonissue
27[00:06:49] <awwal> !stable kernel
28[00:06:49] <dpkg> Debian <stable> releases use a kernel with long-term, cross-distribution support. The kernel receives bug fixes and drivers for new hardware are backported to this kernel. The <debian backports> archive also contains newer kernels. Ask me about <jessie kernel> <bdo kernel> <linux backports>.
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32[00:09:08] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, I dont know how your made your install so not sure how to help you. other people may now.
33[00:09:38] <awwal> know ^
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35[00:10:53] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, if reinstalling isn't important a problem for you, using the netinst cd image the one including non-free firmwares maybe the safest and easy/ fastest solution
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39[00:11:35] <awwal> for laptops I always recommend the non free images
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41[00:12:01] <awwal> almost when one have no access to wired
42[00:12:07] <andril> o/
43[00:12:14] <arrrrrrrgh> I thought I chose a non-free image :P
44[00:12:47] <awwal> which one exactly?
45[00:12:53] <andril> arrrrrrrgh, is there such a thing
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47[00:13:21] <arrrrrrrgh> andril: I don't think so
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49[00:13:30] <arrrrrrrgh> I think I shall abandon this attempt at Debian and keep it on my VMs where it works :P
50[00:14:16] <andril> it took me a while to get it to pur for me - it was all in the sourcelists
51[00:14:47] <awwal> if you end not running debian, so you will miss a rock solid gnu/linux OS :P
52[00:15:22] <awwal> many of us, including myself, uses non-free drivers for wifi and all fine
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54[00:16:04] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, just by curiosity, can we see your apt sources file?
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57[00:16:56] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: remind me where that is? :P
58[00:17:13] <andril> arrrrrrrgh, this is mine replaced-url
59[00:17:26] <arrrrrrrgh> your source file is written in avrasm?! hardcore
60[00:17:43] <andril> awwal, let me know if i am missing something
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62[00:17:58] <arrrrrrrgh> I uh, I may have added non-free to only one of my sources
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64[00:18:03] <somiaj> andril: there are unoffical images that contain the non-free firmware for network cards.
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66[00:18:19] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, ^
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68[00:18:45] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, etc/apt/sources.list
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70[00:19:13] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, /etc/apt/sources.list
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72[00:19:39] <andril> somiaj, i try to keep it official but able :P
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75[00:20:14] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: replaced-url
76[00:20:16] <somiaj> andril: unoffical in the sense that debian tries to be clear and not have an offical installer that has software that breaks the DSFG. It is made by debian developers.
77[00:20:36] <awwal> andril, your file isn't ok
78[00:20:37] <andril> cool
79[00:20:39] <somiaj> andril: but if you are going to choose to use non-free firmware anyways, it is available to use during the install.
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82[00:21:06] <andril> awwal, do you have any suggestions
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87[00:21:34] <awwal> andril, you have non-free in main repo and no in the security one
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89[00:21:39] <awwal> thats a problem
90[00:21:45] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: you're talking to me? :P
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93[00:22:12] <arrrrrrrgh> I'm confused :(
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96[00:22:33] <awwal> also you mix stable with experimental, so crazy :P andril
97[00:22:34] <andril> thanks awwal :P
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99[00:23:07] <andril> i noticed Firefox ESR showed up
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101[00:23:10] <somiaj> mixing stable with experimental will most likely break your system since experimental packages are compiled against sid dependencies.
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104[00:23:39] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: Is mine also horribly broken?
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106[00:23:52] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, your file is fine, just add non-free to the security and volatiles repositories
107[00:24:16] <somiaj> arrrrrrrgh: your sources.list looks fine. Though you should have non-free (and maybe contrib) on the security sources. If you are going to use non-free might as well at least have security fixes for them.
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109[00:24:18] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: I somehow doubt that will unbreak wifi however :P
110[00:24:20] <awwal> volatile ^
111[00:24:42] <awwal> yeah, but that for future eventural updates
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114[00:25:04] <awwal> eventual future upgrades ^
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117[00:26:38] <awwal> modinfo iwlwifi PCI: 8086:24F3 Intel Corporation Wireless 8260
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121[00:28:21] <andril> firmware-iwlwifi
122[00:28:52] <arrrrrrrgh> I think I'm just going to go back to Arch, it took less time and was easier to understand :P
123[00:29:30] <andril> Debian ain't never hurt anybody
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125[00:30:21] <andril> how are you loading the driver i used Synaptic
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127[00:31:05] <ryouma> does debian have a command line version of patience diff? and similar?
128[00:31:23] <ryouma> (i know git diff can be made to use it but i don't know if it can compare just 2 plain files)
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132[00:32:39] <nacc> ryouma: do you mean `diff` ? what is 'patience diff' ?
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136[00:34:09] <ryouma> nacc: it does stuff like first only considering unique lines that are common to both files. i think it is not what i need, but i want to try it. and to collect all the simlar tools in debian.
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138[00:36:29] <nacc> ryouma: oh i see, it's a diff algorithm
139[00:36:44] <nacc> ryouma: i'm not aware of any way to leverage that commonly other than `git-diff` itself
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141[00:37:43] <ryouma> i'll ask on #git if it can be forced to not use git
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144[00:38:59] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> hey so if you took a debian server and installed xfce4 over lightdm over x and something was dropping you into tty2 instead of tty7/x ... what thing would most likely be doing that?
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146[00:39:53] <somiaj> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: debian doesn't run x on tty7 anymore, in jessie debian will run x on the tty it was launched in (tty1 is default).
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151[00:42:16] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj: ok so i have some experience digging through init scripts and i guess i'm assuming that the reason for that is somewhere in a systemd script?
152[00:42:46] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj: it's been a while since i use debian very much
153[00:43:00] <frew> so I am trying to build gitit (Which testing has a new package for) for an older version of debian
154[00:43:11] <frew> is there a good way to do what I want to do?
155[00:43:25] <frew> I tried debuild -uc -us in the package but it complains about uninstalled deps
156[00:43:28] <somiaj> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: do you really want x to run on tty7? I'm unsure on the details, but xorg doesn't need its own tty anymore and will just run on the current tty. In stretch this even goes further with xorg that doesn't require setuid and just runs as the user.
157[00:43:29] <frew> and there are many many many
158[00:43:47] <somiaj> !tell frew about ssb
159[00:43:57] <somiaj> frew: have you tried following those instructions for creating a backport?
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162[00:44:27] <frew> no
163[00:44:30] <frew> reading now
164[00:44:32] <frew> thanks
165[00:44:35] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj: i will investigate having x start on the default tty
166[00:44:56] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj: many thank you's and a blessing on your crops and offspring
167[00:45:45] <somiaj> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: maybe we shoudl take step back. Is x not running correctly? I'm just explain what should happen when you run 'startx' or ahve lightdm run at boot.
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172[00:47:24] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj, when lightdm is launching because of its dpkg-configure script "on tty7" it's launching and i'm being dropped back to tty2 (which is my default tty)
173[00:48:11] <somiaj> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: okay might be somethign going on that I am not use to
174[00:48:31] <somiaj> and by dropped back to tty2, you mean when you close/kill lightdm?
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176[00:49:25] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj: there is and this is a better question for another channel but i figured i would pose a general debian question to try and learn more about the system's configuration
177[00:50:11] <nikoma> I get the following error message when I plug in my power supply to my notebook
178[00:50:14] <nikoma> replaced-url
179[00:50:20] <nikoma> what does it mean?
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185[00:52:15] <somiaj> nikoma: not sure why it is triggered when you plug your power supply in, but that is either your ata controler or hardrive having troubles
186[00:52:30] <somiaj> nikoma: the last time I had similar messages it was due to a bad ssd drive.
187[00:52:38] <somiaj> (this may not be the case for you)
188[00:53:22] <nikoma> thanks
189[00:53:32] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj: thanks once more
190[00:53:43] <nikoma> I found this thread
191[00:53:46] <nikoma> replaced-url
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193[00:53:52] <nikoma> which seems to be the same
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195[00:54:15] <somiaj> nikoma: backup to be safe
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201[00:59:45] <nikoma> I am back
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205[01:01:50] <nikoma> I guess the fact that I get the error only when plugging in power supply it means it's probably not a big deal right?
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215[01:05:52] <somiaj> nikoma: I wouldn't bet your data on that.
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217[01:06:41] <somiaj> nikoma: but it could be caused by a change in power to the drive causing it to restart. It could continue to work, it could be dying.
218[01:07:26] <nikoma> Something like that is what I thought
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220[01:07:45] <nikoma> so I will simply plug in the power supply when turned off just to be sure
221[01:07:53] <nikoma> I guess
222[01:08:09] <awwal> nikoma, smartctl or its gui frontend gsmartcontrol may help in similar situation.
223[01:08:19] <nikoma> will always check dmesg at the end of the day for a few days and if no errors, then I guess it's fine
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225[01:08:36] <nikoma> might do smartctl on holidays, but I have exams now
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227[01:09:16] <awwal> use it wisely :P
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229[01:09:41] <nikoma> is it dangerous?
230[01:10:03] <awwal> and check its docs and manual
231[01:10:11] <somiaj> no, it just talks to the built smart on the drive to get self diagnositc reports from the drive.
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272[01:31:20] <otyugh_II> ho man :(
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274[01:31:54] <his> what is the difference of debian from ubuntu?
275[01:31:56] <otyugh_II> I struggled hard to install a debian netinstall from scratch using a serial USB, and it does not support graphic display ? :'(
276[01:32:00] <his> or which os is best for beginners?
277[01:32:10] <otyugh_II> (on olinxino A20)
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280[01:32:34] <LtL> his: probably ubuntu, it'd debateable
281[01:32:43] <LtL> *it's
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285[01:36:02] <somiaj> his: there are lots of difference. The main one is policy and this effects what defaults are, the software available and what a release is.
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287[01:36:27] <somiaj> his: ubuntu has more tools to automatically configure things for you, debian provides you more choice (which also means you may have to figure out how to configure things more on your own)
288[01:36:42] <his> i see
289[01:36:45] <somiaj> his: many may think debian has a steeper learning curve, but in the end it is worth it because you will learn a lot.
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291[01:37:03] <his> so ubuntu is suitable for beginners
292[01:37:20] <his> yep i agree
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294[01:37:25] <abrotman> so is Debian, depends on your aptitude for learning
295[01:37:25] <somiaj> his: most here would suggest debian of course. But ubuntu will do more things for you automatically (good or bad)
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297[01:38:07] <somiaj> his: debian does work really well, there are just some common sticky points (like non-free firmware for wifi cards or graphics drivers) that the users here in #debian can help you with when you run into them.
298[01:38:31] <his> ok
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310[01:45:24] <LtL> *it's
311[01:45:28] <LtL> err
312[01:46:04] <unborn> his: debian is just fine, everything will work.. and if you will need drivers you can download actually all non free wifi drivers in one .deb file which you will just install , reboot and it will work
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316[01:46:53] <unborn> ubuntu is basically build on debian unstable with all drivers in ( I would say older drivers for wifi from personal experience) and its resources eater
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331[01:51:30] <unborn> I started on debian 5 I think, then I tried ubuntu 6 and been with it for few years, then year on linux mint which went from great to crap and when mint isadora reached end of life, I went back to ubuntu 14.04 and two weeks back I switched finally to pure debian. Basically on servers I use only debian since debian 5, but as you know server is something else then desktop for office work.. old times on debian was maybe harder but I think if you give a cha
332[01:51:30] <unborn> nce to debian jessie you would not be disappointed
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334[01:52:36] <somiaj> I like to think people should have feedom and choice to use what works best for them. To me debian works best, but my idea may not agree with others. Just if you want to use #debian for support you best be running debian.
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339[01:56:48] <unborn> youre right somiaj, i share same view as you.. my hold back was gui.. when I tried debian 7 I did not like the new gnome 3 those days.. it was not that good as in this release.. I was really nicely surprised and I fall in love with it meh
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343[01:58:29] <unborn> end of the day pure debian is future
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346[01:59:33] <LtL> why would all these other distros copy debian if debian wasn't the best... just a thought
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348[01:59:51] <LtL> i'm addicted
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351[02:00:38] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I have Samba 4.2.10 installed on Jessie and samba-tool complains that it can't find ldb with "ldb: unable to stat module /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/ldb : No such file or directory"
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353[02:00:56] <Pegasus_RPG> Doing a package search turns up no packages that provide it, so what can I do?
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361[02:04:44] <somiaj> ,v samba
362[02:04:45] <judd> Package: samba on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security-lts: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze13; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u9; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u10; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2; jessie-
363[02:04:46] <judd> proposed-updates: 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3; stretch: 2:4.4.3+dfsg-4; sid: 2:4.4.3+dfsg-4
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365[02:05:27] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: care to share the output of apt-cache policy?
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367[02:06:02] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: it seems security had to do a version bump in samba from 4.1.17 to 4.2.10, it could be you are missing some package that may be in jessie-updates
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370[02:06:54] <unborn> I dont get it.. I installed samba on few of my machines and everything works normally
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375[02:07:42] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj: replaced-url
376[02:08:24] <Pegasus_RPG> Another of my machines that I upgraded doesn't display that error
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379[02:08:48] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: maybe it has something to do with the config file you are using on tha tmachine. Are both machines using your custom mirror?
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382[02:08:57] <Pegasus_RPG> yes
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390[02:11:32] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: I'm not seeing anything in my limited expreince that could be causing that.
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393[02:11:46] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: is the package samba-common-bin fully upgraded to version 4.2.10?
394[02:12:03] <Pegasus_RPG> ii samba-common-bin 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3
395[02:12:15] <Pegasus_RPG> does that tell you what you need to know?
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397[02:13:00] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: just testing things, found a few hits on google. I don't see what the problem could be
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399[02:13:44] <Pegasus_RPG> the bigger issue is that even on the machine that doesn't complain with that error, it is also saying "ERROR: User <machine>$ not found" if I try to list spns for it
400[02:13:48] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: I see some various hits about different issues. One suggestion is just "ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/ldb/ /usr/lib/samba/ldb", but this doesn't explain why this error happens.
401[02:14:15] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: I haven't used samba as part of a windows domain so I'm unsure on the details here, just going off of what I find in google.
402[02:14:27] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj: I saw that too, but /usr/lib/samba/ldb doesn't exist
403[02:14:32] <Pegasus_RPG> on this system
404[02:15:10] <Pegasus_RPG> /usr/lib/samba is empty in fact. It is as well on the system that doesn't give that error too
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407[02:15:41] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: yea seems that a file name 'ldb' doesn't exsit in debian. I'm unsure what is going on, maybe a samba channel can give a hint.
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412[02:16:36] * Pegasus_RPG hates having to go to a Windows machine to do admin tasks that are supposed to work in Linux :/
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418[02:18:45] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: seems strange that it is only affecting one machine. Maybe purge the samba packages reinstall and use the configuration file from the working machine? (or just lurk around, maybe someone with more experience iwth samba on an AD can help)
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422[02:20:56] <alu> whatsup with the 3 dvds and 2 updates?
423[02:21:00] <alu> which one do i use?
424[02:21:30] <alu> installing 8.5 dvd
425[02:21:33] <themill> that depends what you're wanting to do and is explained on the download page
426[02:21:41] <somiaj> alu: depends on what you want, you can get away with a minimial netinstall image, or even just a cd
427[02:21:55] <somiaj> very few people will need more than the first dvd if you want a hardcopy of the .deb files on hand
428[02:22:22] * themill chuckles at that being a hard copy
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483[02:56:24] <asterismo> hi
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485[02:57:11] <asterismo> after dist-upgrading debian 8 last week my php is broken, cannot upload images, load capchas, etc. and i'm getting this error in apache log: PHP Notice: Undefined index: HTTP_REFERER in /var/replaced-url
486[02:57:15] <asterismo> any ideas?
487[02:57:47] <asterismo> the upgrade ask me to generate a new config file and i chose to stay with currently installed version
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490[02:58:47] <pencilandpaper> Thats fine asterismo , although I usually go with the new config files.
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492[02:58:57] <pencilandpaper> You should be alright though.
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495[03:00:02] <asterismo> i think maybe php5 went through a major upgrade and thats why asked to upgrade the config
496[03:00:26] <asterismo> is there anyway to re-run the upgrade and be asked to install package maintainers verison again?
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499[03:01:21] <pencilandpaper> I am not sure, thats a good question asterismo .
500[03:01:39] <abrotman> itwould have saved it as dpkg-new or similar
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502[03:01:56] <pencilandpaper> I don't think.
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504[03:02:49] <pencilandpaper> Can you revert to a previous version abrotman , and then upgrade again to the newer one having that option again to choose between keeping the old config or installing the new one?
505[03:03:18] <asterismo> the only reference to HTTP_REFERER variable in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini is blank
506[03:03:21] <asterismo> replaced-url
507[03:03:55] <abrotman> you don'tneed to
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511[03:04:35] <abrotman> did you checkthe changelog?
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513[03:05:46] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj: actually I found another machine it's affecting
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520[03:09:57] <asterismo> how do i install a previous version of php?
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524[03:12:25] <abrotman> asterismo: again, you don't need to
525[03:12:34] <abrotman> dpkg: tell asterismo about confnew
526[03:12:41] <asterismo> what to do then?
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529[03:13:30] <asterismo> apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" ??
530[03:13:40] <asterismo> for php5?
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532[03:13:55] <asterismo> apt-get -o php5 --force-confnew ?
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550[03:22:29] <FNTM-U3> hi
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552[03:22:37] <FNTM-U3> After a fresh install I clicked at "blank config" instead of "default config" for xfce panel. how could I make xfce to ask me again. I want a default config file.
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555[03:23:16] <Chicuei> mmmhhh...
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558[03:24:34] <jmcnaught> FNTM-U3: some desktop environments have a "first-run wizard" in their menus or settings. otherwise xfce will have its per-user settings in place like ~/.config that you could move elsewhere, or copy from a different user
559[03:25:38] <jmcnaught> (because the first run wizard probably runs if the per-user config doesn't exist yet)
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561[03:26:35] <FNTM-U3> jmcnaught: it is not pre-define destro first-run. (like BL linux) rather it is first run of xfce. it is xfce native. I had that from debian to gentoo
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563[03:27:32] <jmcnaught> FNTM-U3: you're talking about a question that xfce asked you the first time you logged into it?
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577[03:35:48] <FNTM-U3> jmcnaught: yes. It asked me if i want an empty panel or a default one. I wanted default but I selected empty panel instead. now I want to go with default.
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580[03:37:36] <jmcnaught> FNTM-U3: those questions it asked on first log in are generally known as a first run wizard.
581[03:38:31] <jmcnaught> if you can't find a menu or settings entry like that, the look at ~/.config/xfce4
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664[04:21:55] <sm00th> anybody use apparmor? I have this issue replaced-url
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669[04:24:21] <sm00th> what would happen if I install auditd?
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674[04:27:27] <sm00th> ya looks like thats what i have to do. replaced-url
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679[04:29:04] <sm00th> .
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698[04:38:12] <Chicuei> modo +I?
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706[04:41:24] <sm00th> still can't get it to work
707[04:41:34] <sm00th> wait it does now after a reboot
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732[04:55:12] <SilverBallz> Anyone around to help guid me in the right direction to get touchscreen to work on Asus laptop?
733[04:55:18] <SilverBallz> guide*
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735[04:55:50] <SilverBallz> i've already installed xinput
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744[05:03:13] <sm00th> man debian is so sane compared to other distros. stability, security, available apps, user friendliness, compatiblity. I probably won't ever touch another distro again.
745[05:04:13] <sm00th> such sane defaults
746[05:04:41] <sm00th> best installer too by far.
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754[05:09:21] <shadows> sm00th: where the installer is only good and not "great", it is at least consistent
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756[05:09:41] <sm00th> shadows, well for example, I don't know of any other distro installer that lets you encrypt single partitions
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758[05:10:00] <sm00th> its usually only home, full disk, or nothing.
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760[05:10:23] <shadows> where I'd like to see improvement is support for multi-volume disk formats i.e. ZFS BTRFS
761[05:10:47] <shadows> trying to coax a Debian install on to btrfs is tricky
762[05:10:54] <sm00th> I don't know much about that.
763[05:11:09] <sm00th> I have also never had a debian installer bug out on me. like almost every other distro has at least once.
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765[05:11:34] <shadows> it does pretty good and is consistent
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769[05:16:23] <sm00th> makes me wonder what other distro installers are thinking lol
770[05:16:32] <SilverBallz> i did for the first time sm00th. i think thats why the touchscreen isn't working
771[05:16:51] <sm00th> SilverBallz, it bugged out during the install?
772[05:17:12] <sm00th> i alwaqys use the non graphical installer.
773[05:18:06] <SilverBallz> Yes, it took a few tries but i finally got testing installed using a nightly build
774[05:18:19] <SilverBallz> ya thats what i had to do also
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776[05:18:32] <SilverBallz> i always use expert install either way
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779[05:19:08] <sm00th> what is expert install?
780[05:19:17] <SilverBallz> im sort of new touefi bios
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783[05:19:25] <cornbreadheadman> sorry, its only for experts
784[05:19:30] <cornbreadheadman> lol
785[05:19:39] <sm00th> haha
786[05:19:49] <SilverBallz> lol na its not even like that. just less automation and more questions
787[05:19:55] <cornbreadheadman> sorry, couldnt help it
788[05:20:17] <SilverBallz> Ooo
789[05:20:20] <sm00th> I never knew there was an expert mode lol
790[05:20:31] <cornbreadheadman> uefi bios confuses me, so I moved to ARM
791[05:20:40] <cornbreadheadman> now im really confused
792[05:20:40] <SilverBallz> which reminds me. there is a option in my bios that is beomce a standard.
793[05:20:47] <SilverBallz> has something to do with advertising
794[05:20:47] <sm00th> oh ya i should say i never installed debian on a uefi bios lmao
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796[05:21:07] <SilverBallz> and i did osme research and i think theare working towards legalizing ad block software
797[05:21:23] <sm00th> its in your bios?
798[05:21:27] <SilverBallz> yep
799[05:21:33] <sm00th> wow
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802[05:21:49] <SilverBallz> not this laptop but on a asus x53 mobo
803[05:21:56] <sm00th> well as long as its not actually ad block, like adblock plus cause they kind of sketchy now. ublock origin is where its at now.
804[05:22:07] <SilverBallz> there is the standard and the asus alternative
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807[05:22:19] <sm00th> I don't like how asus was in cahoots with MS to break secure boot on peoples win 7 machines.
808[05:22:33] <sm00th> pretty messed up imo. no reason for that.
809[05:22:33] <SilverBallz> ive always used adblock plus development version
810[05:22:42] <SilverBallz> well yes
811[05:22:43] <SilverBallz> and no
812[05:22:46] <sm00th> that must be the expert version hehe
813[05:22:49] <SilverBallz> it has to do with tracking
814[05:22:54] <SilverBallz> thats the odd thing
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816[05:23:22] <sm00th> i just use ublock origin, https everywhere nowadays. an either noscript on ff, or scriptsafe on chromium.
817[05:23:27] <SilverBallz> it has its plus side to make for a safer society but comes with a million negatives
818[05:23:46] <sm00th> would make me iffy
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820[05:24:14] <SilverBallz> one sec let me find what im talking about
821[05:24:22] <sm00th> brb
822[05:24:25] <SilverBallz> and whats up with adblock plus?
823[05:24:36] <sm00th> they take money to not hide ads now
824[05:24:41] <sm00th> and who knows what else.
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826[05:26:35] <SilverBallz> well if u uncheck the one box that says allow some non-intrusive advertising i think that solves that issue
827[05:26:43] <SilverBallz> i dont see ads ever
828[05:26:57] <SilverBallz> and i block 3rd party cookies as well as use noscript
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830[05:27:16] <SilverBallz> lol i let the x53 boot up
831[05:27:18] <SilverBallz> one sec brb
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836[05:33:55] <Blarg> Stupid question, I got a dpkg conffile dialog, hit D to see the differences...now what? How to I get out of this thing?
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839[05:34:25] <sm00th> esc, or q
840[05:34:29] <SilverBallz> try typing y
841[05:34:31] <SilverBallz> for yes
842[05:34:34] <somiaj> Blarg: q, crtl-D, ctrl-C are sometimes things that exit programs
843[05:34:40] <sm00th> hit q
844[05:35:15] <Blarg> OK, q did it...the third time...just flashed the screen the first couple. Thanks.
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850[05:36:10] <SilverBallz> this bios setting is hard to find
851[05:36:17] <sm00th> lol
852[05:36:50] <Blarg> dist-upgrade is fun :P
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854[05:37:25] <sm00th> I was wondering is it recommended to do dist-upgrade or upgrade?
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856[05:37:38] <somiaj> sm00th: in stable you should rarely need to dist-upgrade
857[05:38:02] <Blarg> I'm upgrading from Wheezy...kinda have to dist-upgrade.
858[05:38:05] <somiaj> sm00th: upgrade (with apt-get) will not install or remove packages, dist upgrade will, that is the difference. On unstable I always upgrade first then dist-upgrade second
859[05:38:18] <sm00th> ah ok
860[05:38:19] <somiaj> Blarg: you read the release notes about know issues first I hope.
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863[05:39:57] <Blarg> Eh, always going to be issues. At least it's just a webserver, I can't use Jessie for desktop use because of some multiarch issue with Steam and Teamviewer D:
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867[05:42:40] <Blarg> Ohfun...ideas? replaced-url
868[05:43:11] <SilverBallz> eariler gtk3/gnome issues you kind of have to manually search an install tons of 32bit librayies.
869[05:43:13] <somiaj> Blarg: it says something about heald packages, do you have any held packages?
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871[05:43:28] <SilverBallz> sry for typos i change the interface and havnt restarted client
872[05:43:33] <Blarg> Don't think so, just finished up some upgrading.
873[05:43:35] <SilverBallz> so i cant see what im typing
874[05:43:53] <Blarg> Oh, wait.
875[05:44:07] <Blarg> apt-get upgrade says 209 not upgraded. Naturally doesn't say why.
876[05:44:22] <somiaj> ,v plymouth
877[05:44:23] <judd> Package: plymouth on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.3-9.2; wheezy: 0.8.5.1-5; jessie: 0.9.0-9; sid: 0.9.2-3+b1; stretch: 0.9.2-3+b1
878[05:44:52] <somiaj> Blarg: upgrade won't install/remove packages, so that is normal. Unsure why plymouth isn't upgrading, is it heald?
879[05:45:20] <Blarg> Yeah, it's part of the 209.
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881[05:45:42] <somiaj> heald packages and unoffical sources can make it hard for apt to determine what ot upgrade
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884[05:46:56] <Blarg> Using the jessie sources. Nothing unofficial.
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886[05:48:05] <somiaj> well figure out why plymouth won't upgrade. Check if it is heald
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891[05:49:15] <somiaj> Blarg: what is the output of apt-cache policy plymouth
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893[05:50:22] <Blarg> somiaj: replaced-url
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896[05:51:00] <somiaj> hmm, unsure why apt won't upgrade it, try to upgrade it first, apt-get install plymouth
897[05:51:51] <Blarg> Every day you think you understand linux, you learn that you don't. apt-get install plymouth is working right now. looks like it's bringing some of the other upgrades with it.
898[05:52:09] <somiaj> yea it will bring the dependencies with it, unsure why apt didn't figure this out first
899[05:52:18] <somiaj> after that is done, try apt-get dist-upgrade again
900[05:52:39] <somiaj> sometimes locally installed packages can confuse apt
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904[05:54:54] <Blarg> It's official, I hate plymouth! replaced-url
905[05:56:28] <somiaj> ahh your update-rc.d is probabaly out of date, most likely due to changing to systemd
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907[05:56:32] <themill> that error has nothing to do with plymouth
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909[05:56:54] <somiaj> Blarg: anyways now that you got the plymouth to upgrade, will dist-upgrade try and upgrade the rest of your system.
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914[05:57:13] <Blarg> somiaj: plymouth is failing to upgrade.
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916[05:57:41] <somiaj> Blarg: now it is just failing its postinstall script due to changes in update-rc.d
917[05:58:18] <Blarg> somiaj: Then why does apt keep trying?
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919[05:58:39] <somiaj> Blarg: what do you mean, I'm just going off the last thing you pasted
920[05:59:14] <somiaj> Blarg: I'm unsure why it failed to upgrade it the first time.
921[05:59:19] <Blarg> somiaj: Well, in any case, dist-upgrade is doing something, maybe if more packages upgrade then I will somehow unintentionally fix this dependency problem.
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929[06:05:07] <Blarg> reboot failed to talk to init daemon.
930[06:05:30] <Blarg> But otherwise apt seems happy, just a db5 util being held back.
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933[06:06:14] <SilverBallz> Finnaly found it. Its called scambler setting: There is an option for 'optimized (ASUS)' and Default (MRC)
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935[06:06:28] <SilverBallz> when i looked up MRC thats when i found the standard information
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937[06:06:42] <SilverBallz> lots of reading but worth the look
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942[06:08:24] <sm00th> scambler?
943[06:08:32] <SilverBallz> there is also a setting for memory scrambler in a different place in bios i just dont think they are exactly the same
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945[06:08:58] <sm00th> ya all google turns up is memory scrambler
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948[06:09:40] <sm00th> sounds pretty weird man lol
949[06:10:26] <SilverBallz> lol sure does
950[06:11:06] <sm00th> maybe you should try to upgrade the bios lol
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952[06:12:38] <sm00th> where did you buy that board?
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961[06:14:49] <SilverBallz> mainly because i was cheap
962[06:14:57] <sm00th> no i mean where?
963[06:15:02] <sm00th> at a retail store, or second hand?
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965[06:15:13] <SilverBallz> and i could upgrade for the next few years
966[06:15:22] <sm00th> sounds like its supposed to say scrambler but its corrupted. does that option have a description?
967[06:15:23] <SilverBallz> newegg
968[06:15:47] <sm00th> i can't find any information online about a "scambler" option, very strange.
969[06:16:05] <SilverBallz> refurbished and with this borad there was a intel cpu starts with an H) that needed a bios update for it to work
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971[06:16:17] <sm00th> hmm
972[06:16:17] <SilverBallz> so i cot it a cerlon and updated it
973[06:16:20] <SilverBallz> works perfectly
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975[06:16:57] <SilverBallz> but...... unfornatually it has win10 so i could play fallout4 and my wife uses photoshop :x
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977[06:17:06] <sm00th> lol
978[06:17:24] <SilverBallz> i tried dual booting but every update tries tohalf a$$ reformat the drive
979[06:17:30] <sm00th> ya gimp is not user friendly
980[06:17:37] <sm00th> my mother hates it, she prefer photoshop too
981[06:17:46] <SilverBallz> it is if she would just get used to it
982[06:17:48] <SilverBallz> lol
983[06:17:52] <sm00th> SilverBallz, does it have secureboot on?
984[06:17:58] <sm00th> also win 10 installs in efi mode
985[06:18:00] <SilverBallz> yes i think so
986[06:18:09] <sm00th> you won't be able to install debian if secureboot is on.
987[06:18:19] <SilverBallz> ya i have deb installed in efi also
988[06:18:21] <SilverBallz> on this one
989[06:18:22] <sm00th> that memory scrambler option on google says it prevents linux installs as well
990[06:18:26] <SilverBallz> first time for me
991[06:18:28] <sm00th> probably have to turn that off too
992[06:18:37] <SilverBallz> interesting
993[06:18:41] <sm00th> but this mysterious "scambler" option you have sounds so suspicious lol
994[06:18:44] <SilverBallz> can you share the link please
995[06:18:50] <sm00th> sure let me find it again
996[06:19:02] <SilverBallz> i'll see if i can find the standard document
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998[06:19:22] <sm00th> replaced-url
999[06:19:28] <sm00th> i hate sharing http links
1000[06:19:36] <sm00th> look at the top paragraph
1001[06:19:37] <SilverBallz> well ty
1002[06:19:49] <sm00th> Since BIOS version v1405 the option “Memory Scrambler” is available and activated by default. This option can prevent a Linux installation, i.e. the system hangs during the installation process at non-reproducable phases. In this case the option “Memory Scrambler” should be disabled in the BIOS at
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1004[06:20:10] <SilverBallz> goo,gl is useful too
1005[06:20:16] <SilverBallz> goo.gl*
1006[06:22:27] <SilverBallz> disabled!
1007[06:22:45] <SilverBallz> wish it explained more info
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1010[06:24:00] <sm00th> in order to install debian you will ahve to disable secure boot too
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1012[06:24:17] <SilverBallz> this is the patient info but its not going to show the real details replaced-url
1013[06:24:37] <SilverBallz> not even worth readin but interesting to see the companies involved
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1016[06:27:36] <SilverBallz> the wiki article on memory reference code (MRC) is interesting though
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1018[06:29:51] <sm00th> "Memory controllers integrated into certain Intel Core processors additionally provide memory scrambling feature that turns user data written to the memory into pseudo-random patterns. As such, memory scrambling prevents forensic and reverse-engineering analysis based on DRAM data remanence, by effectively rendering various types of cold boot attacks ineffective."
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1022[06:30:35] <SilverBallz> what i found was a doc that an excuitive would write up for a presentation
1023[06:30:40] <SilverBallz> very lengthy though
1024[06:30:40] <sm00th> sounds pretty cool, if you are not using linux on it, i guess leaev it on :)
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1027[06:31:07] <sm00th> replaced-url
1028[06:31:45] <sm00th> oh didn't see this line "However, this feature has been designed to address DRAM-related electrical problems, not to prevent security issues, so it may not be rigorously cryptographically secure.[8]"
1029[06:31:59] <sm00th> so wtf? lol
1030[06:32:02] <sm00th> weird
1031[06:32:21] <sm00th> its probably one of those features, the gov't really doesn't want people to have
1032[06:32:23] <SilverBallz> its only temporary. i've been a loyal debian user since vista. no plans on keeping 10
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1034[06:32:40] <sm00th> I still use win 7, lats windows I will ever use.
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1037[06:32:57] <SilverBallz> quite the contrary
1038[06:33:07] <SilverBallz> i have to find this doc
1039[06:33:20] <SilverBallz> its not supposed to be sucere
1040[06:33:23] <SilverBallz> secure
1041[06:33:30] <sm00th> alot of people believe corporations have more rights then consumers
1042[06:33:35] <SilverBallz> it has a pursoed use for tracking
1043[06:33:41] <SilverBallz> purpose
1044[06:33:45] <sm00th> tracking?
1045[06:33:47] <SilverBallz> yes
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1047[06:34:08] <sm00th> you might be talking about another part of the board
1048[06:34:08] <SilverBallz> well the gov wants that
1049[06:34:18] <SilverBallz> they want them to step with security related issues
1050[06:34:25] <SilverBallz> save the pentgon money
1051[06:34:34] <SilverBallz> those lasers arnt cheap
1052[06:34:36] <SilverBallz> :p
1053[06:34:39] <somiaj> lets try to keep the converastion somewhat debian releated
1054[06:34:47] <sm00th> lmao
1055[06:34:52] <sm00th> well i gotta go cya
1056[06:34:54] <SilverBallz> lol good point somiaj sorry
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1058[06:35:30] <SilverBallz> well i still have the issue of fixing this touchscreen?
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1063[06:37:26] <somiaj> SilverBallz: unsure the best advise for touchscreens, have you check the Xorg.0.log?
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1066[06:39:13] <SilverBallz> yes but nothing shows up. xinput-calibraor replies with no devices found
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1069[06:40:33] <somiaj> sounds like it is not detecting the touchscreen
1070[06:40:41] <somiaj> I'm unsure how the devices work so I can't be of much help
1071[06:40:58] <SilverBallz> this computer came with 8.1 and was truley reformatted to 10. in the reformate i lost the key and used a generic key and some other tools to activate windows... didnt last long. i noticed then the touchscreen stop working and hasnt worked since
1072[06:41:42] <SilverBallz> not a big deal really just something to keep me occupied
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1077[06:45:04] <SilverBallz> regarding xorg ive been trying to understand how it works alongside wayland
1078[06:45:48] <SilverBallz> and the machine was freezing because of a graphics issue that seems to be fixed since lastnights updates
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1080[06:48:14] <SilverBallz> ya i dont even have Xorg.0.log any more
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1082[06:48:42] <somiaj> I woudln't know with waylend, but in testing/unstable if you use startx, the log will be in $HOME/.local/log
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1084[06:49:41] <SilverBallz> only folder there is /share
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1086[06:49:48] <SilverBallz> no /log
1087[06:51:41] <SilverBallz> its in the /share folder
1088[06:51:43] <SilverBallz> thanks
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1090[06:52:51] <somiaj> oh not .local, .share, I'm still not use to its location
1091[06:52:52] <Overand> Dude... is youtube down?
1092[06:53:15] <Overand> Videos aren't playing, and I tried not only w/different devices, but drom different geographic locations!
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1094[06:54:19] <somiaj> Overand: works fine here.
1095[06:54:55] <SilverBallz> not working here
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1097[06:54:57] <Overand> somiaj: Interesting! I've tried from canada w/windows 7 w/Chrome, and from the northeast US with firefox and a youtube downloader
1098[06:55:07] <Overand> somiaj: Did you actually get a videfo? or just an ad, or the page
1099[06:55:10] <SilverBallz> where are you somiaj?
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1102[06:55:44] <SilverBallz> streaming server is down. im in florida a traceroute would be interesting
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1105[06:56:29] <SilverBallz> thats cool
1106[06:56:38] <Overand> replaced-url
1107[06:56:46] <Overand> Neat!
1108[06:57:11] <cra1g321> UK here, YT working fine
1109[06:57:25] <SilverBallz> hahaha lets see how nutty the entire planet gets tonight
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1111[06:57:57] <SilverBallz> it will probably even make the news
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1113[06:58:12] <Overand> Ontario and maine are down, texas isn't, from my testing
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1132[07:05:57] <SilverBallz> i dont even know what im looking for. will even even use the word touchscreen in these logs?
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1134[07:06:14] <somiaj> it is an input device, so that may show up
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1137[07:09:39] <SilverBallz> i do know it was working on jessie.
1138[07:10:03] <somiaj> libinput is changing things in testing, but not sure what
1139[07:10:12] <SilverBallz> i found some information on both touchpad and touchscreen. they are using the same drivers i think
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1141[07:10:27] <somiaj> yea I think they all use libinput now
1142[07:11:39] <SilverBallz> i take it that replaces xinput?
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1144[07:13:29] <SilverBallz> might as well install libinput-tools then
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1153[07:19:28] <somiaj> SilverBallz: xinput is just a utility, that will still work. This is the backend drivers that are being used
1154[07:19:31] <SilverBallz> i can only find one line that mentions the word touchscreen. everything else is touchpad.
1155[07:20:03] <SilverBallz> i see. i was wondering if there was a kernel driver i'm missing.
1156[07:20:06] <somiaj> xserver-xorg-input-all pulls in a bunch of different drivers on jessie, and I think they are being unified in libinput and expanded on to deal with input devices like touch screen
1157[07:20:14] <somiaj> but I'm unsure on the actual details, I only pick up bits and piecess.
1158[07:20:16] <SilverBallz> i did a targeted install if i remember correctly
1159[07:20:37] <SilverBallz> same here
1160[07:21:00] <somiaj> the kernel drives are usually not an issue with input devices, if they are usb they use the usb hid and that seems to work fairly well. I'm unsure what touch pads use, but I think the issue is more xorg dealing with them then the kernel
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1162[07:21:23] <somiaj> you are running testing/unstable?
1163[07:21:58] <SilverBallz> testing yes
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1165[07:22:34] <somiaj> SilverBallz: have you tried some of this advice, replaced-url
1166[07:22:49] <somiaj> SilverBallz: such as less /proc/bus/input/devices (i.e. do you see your touchscreen)
1167[07:22:53] <SilverBallz> ofcourse thats the first result on google isnt it?
1168[07:22:56] <SilverBallz> lol
1169[07:23:21] <SilverBallz> ive been trying to figure this out for at least a month
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1171[07:25:25] <SilverBallz> nope just the touchpad
1172[07:25:40] <somiaj> well there is the first thing to do is figure out if the kernel can detect the device
1173[07:25:56] <SilverBallz> you know what. i think i need to take the case of the laptop and make sure the cable is pluged in correctly
1174[07:26:16] <SilverBallz> it shows touchpad
1175[07:26:22] <SilverBallz> just not touchscreen
1176[07:26:23] <SilverBallz> confusing
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1179[07:27:48] <somiaj> well does the laptop also have a touchpad?
1180[07:28:10] <SilverBallz> yes but i normally disable it in bios
1181[07:28:18] <SilverBallz> not sure why its not disabled now
1182[07:28:44] <SilverBallz> probably reset bios when i installed testing on here
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1184[07:29:07] <SilverBallz> ya i have a strange feeling i need to take this thing apart
1185[07:29:16] <SilverBallz> brb
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1206[07:43:12] <SilverBallz> that wasn't it either but i had to check. i dont think the touchpad has anything to do with the touchscreen
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1209[07:43:52] <SilverBallz> and also i disabled touchpad in bios and now i'm not seeing using the less command
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1211[07:44:06] <SilverBallz> checking xorg.0.log now
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1213[07:46:02] <SilverBallz> nothing there either
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1217[07:47:47] <SilverBallz> from what i could tell the touchscreen cable is part of the monitor cable seprate from the touchpad
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1221[07:50:01] <SilverBallz> so why would it not show up in /proc/bus/input/devices
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1223[07:51:44] <SilverBallz> it was way easier fixing wifi back in 1999
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1235[07:55:51] <SilverBallz> i dont even know hot to debug this kind of issue
1236[07:56:06] <SilverBallz> how to*
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1250[08:06:10] <somiaj> SilverBallz: it sounds like the kernel is not detecting the touchscreen. As to why I don't know.
1251[08:06:11] <SilverBallz> maybe if i run jessie on a live installation it might work?
1252[08:06:25] <SilverBallz> might as well try it im running out of ideas
1253[08:06:41] <somiaj> you could test if it works in jessie on a live system and if it works determine what drivers/etc it uses
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1349[09:22:42] <kosc_> Hello.
1350[09:22:48] <kosc_> I'm trying to login as user 'admin' with su. And just see current date. But when I logging in as any other user, it's ok.
1351[09:22:55] <kosc_> Debian 7.0
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1358[09:28:43] <xormor> kosc_, root
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1360[09:28:48] <xormor> kosc_, log on with user 'root'
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1364[09:32:48] <kosc_> xormor: I'm already a root user.
1365[09:32:59] <kosc_> I need to run script from user 'admin'.
1366[09:33:11] <kosc_> But can't do that.
1367[09:33:21] <kosc_> root@s2e24df4f:~# su - admin
1368[09:33:21] <kosc_> Sat Jun 18 10:26:36 MSK 2016
1369[09:33:21] <kosc_> root@s2e24df4f:~# su - replaced-url
1370[09:33:21] <kosc_> $
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1372[09:33:26] <hexnewbie> Does the upgrade from Iceweasel to Firefox change the default search engine to Google, or did I do something wrong?
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1380[09:40:08] <SilverBallz> for one
1381[09:40:19] <SilverBallz> kosc you should use su -u
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1383[09:40:36] <SilverBallz> ur missing the login perm
1384[09:41:03] <SilverBallz> forget the second try using su -u
1385[09:41:26] <SilverBallz> iceweasel what search engin are you looking for yahoo?
1386[09:41:42] <SilverBallz> and no yahoo has paid for default
1387[09:41:46] <SilverBallz> apon install
1388[09:41:56] <SilverBallz> but you can change it in preferences
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1390[09:42:31] <SilverBallz> im tired, sorry for lazy scroll
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1393[09:44:16] <kosc_> I've found some strange lines on /etc/passwd and for now I know the reasons of my issue.
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1395[09:44:22] <SilverBallz> kosc why are u trying to sign into your computer using a webserver group?
1396[09:44:31] <kosc_> Here is /bin/date instead of bash.
1397[09:44:36] <hexnewbie> I've had DuckDuckGo as default on all three computer, though I hadn't started Iceweasel/Firefox for a while. After upgrading to Firefox ESR 45.2.0, on one of those it is Google, on one of those it is still DDG, and one I haven't checked yet. So I was wondering if that happened to anybody else
1398[09:44:39] <kosc_> Thanks to all.
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1400[09:45:04] <SilverBallz> ixquick is cool too
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1402[09:45:20] <SilverBallz> bin/dash?
1403[09:45:27] <SilverBallz> hes up to something
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1405[09:47:45] <SilverBallz> hexnewbie, interesting did any of your other preferences get saved?
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1407[09:48:40] <SilverBallz> as long as nothing was moved or deleted in home/.mozillia it should have stayed the same
1408[09:48:50] <hexnewbie> SilverBallz: All that I care about (though I use Firefox as a secondary browser, so I may have not noticed some)
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1411[09:51:19] <hexnewbie> Hm. I do have daily backups of ~/.mozilla for a month back, so I could check. Not that I know what I would be checking for.
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1419[09:55:15] <SilverBallz> are you in a computer club?
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1436[10:04:01] <unborn> SilverBallz: perhaps your device is not fully supported? im about touch screen
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1439[10:10:33] <hexnewbie> SilverBallz: No. I just checked the backups. The option browser.search.defaultenginename disappeared completely from prefs.js after 2016-06-10. Looking at the diff, it seems to be one of the few options to do so.
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1441[10:11:52] <hexnewbie> In fact, it's the only option to disappear. The browser.search.selectedEngine (not sure if that option does anything), hasn't changed.
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1447[10:16:35] <SilverBallz> unborn: it did work when i first bought the computer. it came with win8.1 and the first thing i did was install debian (jessie). worked out of the box. super proud i was
1448[10:17:09] <SilverBallz> i ended up upgrading 8.1 to ten
1449[10:17:12] <SilverBallz> well
1450[10:17:50] <SilverBallz> reformatting with win10 i should say and lost the key. attempted to activated the wrong way and thats the last i remember the touch screen working
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1452[10:18:23] <hexnewbie> I can reproduce the issue. Restoring the backup of my Firefox/IW profile from any day before I upgraded to Firefox, and the default search engine gets removed from prefs.js
1453[10:18:31] <unborn> SilverBallz: you may re-download debian 8 and have look what drivers you are using.. then you upgrade to 8.5 and install driver and see
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1455[10:19:22] <SilverBallz> ya i just torrented a stable live
1456[10:19:37] <SilverBallz> we will see
1457[10:20:00] <SilverBallz> otherwise this whoe uefi bios is some real crap
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1460[10:22:25] <Haxxa> Can anyone help me with apache #httpd is quiet?
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1463[10:24:11] <SilverBallz> hexnewbie, just part of the update process my friend.
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1465[10:24:27] <Wulf> Haxxa: if you don't ask a a question, you won't get answers.
1466[10:24:28] <SilverBallz> just readd duckduckgo
1467[10:24:33] <hexnewbie> SilverBallz: Still, that didn't happen on my work computer.
1468[10:24:45] <SilverBallz> there might be a little icon in the urlbar or search to add it quickly
1469[10:24:47] <fredl> Wulf - that's a question he asked, right?
1470[10:25:11] <Wulf> fredl: are you sure?
1471[10:25:22] <SilverBallz> or check this out replaced-url
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1473[10:25:50] <hexnewbie> I suspect it can be because "DuckDuckGo" comes with the Firefox package (I believe) and didn't get removed, and "DuckDuckGo (SSL)" is one I added some years in the past.
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1475[10:26:01] <SilverBallz> no two devices are ever exactly the same
1476[10:26:07] <SilverBallz> even in the manufacturing process
1477[10:26:11] <SilverBallz> ;)
1478[10:26:24] <SilverBallz> brb
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1481[10:27:21] <SilverBallz> ya i think i remember it here when i first installed testing
1482[10:27:29] <SilverBallz> i use firefox developer the most
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1484[10:27:54] <SilverBallz> or nightly
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1502[10:37:41] <unborn> hexnewbie: its odd but it can happen sometimes.. specially due to changes in source code
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1510[10:42:33] <TheQuestionmark> What's wrong if apt wants to install newer packages or libs for something than those available in the official repos + backports?
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1521[10:50:46] <H4ndy> TheQuestionmark: check your sources.list file for other repostories
1522[10:50:58] <H4ndy> apt does not get packages out of thin air
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1528[10:52:23] <TheQuestionmark> H4ndy: Well, backports, Mozilla's mozilla.debian.net, Deb Multimedia, Virtualbox and some not uised SteamOS repo.
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1532[10:54:27] <H4ndy> TheQuestionmark: use apt-cache showpkg <package> to find out from which repo the file's comming
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1537[10:56:40] <TheQuestionmark> H4ndy: Sorry for the meta question but does it matter that I'm using a German installation? That's basically what holds me back from asking for help here. Otherwise, it loos like this -> replaced-url
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1539[10:57:55] <H4ndy> I don't see any issues here, most of those libs come from your deb multimedia repository
1540[10:58:53] <TheQuestionmark> H4ndy: Interesting, never though it to deliever dev-files and such for sdl2 and the likes.
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1542[10:59:32] <H4ndy> some seem to be pulled in by other packages, maybe the depencies changed for them
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1548[11:00:57] <H4ndy> I guess the newly to install libqt4-opengl-dev, libboost and some others might pull all that stuff in
1549[11:01:19] <H4ndy> if you don't want that, you need to find out which package is trying to demand them
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1565[11:11:23] <XeonSquared> So uh, I've made a custom live CD with debian-installer, I've put pool and dists and install on the ISO, but when it gets to 'install the base system' in the installer, it tells me 'Debootstrap Error' 'Failed to determine the codename for the release'
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1581[11:24:48] <SilverBallz> TheQuestionmark, i thought deb multimedia was no longer supported?
1582[11:25:46] <markybob> it's never been supported
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1584[11:25:49] <markybob> !deb multimedia
1585[11:25:50] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
1586[11:26:59] <SilverBallz> XeonSquared, can you past your source.list probably line 1
1587[11:27:07] <SilverBallz> paste*
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1603[11:33:01] <XeonSquared> SilverBallz: deb replaced-url
1604[11:33:03] <XeonSquared> that's the whole file
1605[11:33:37] <SilverBallz> replaced-url
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1607[11:34:04] <XeonSquared> right
1608[11:34:06] <SilverBallz> ya i'm pretty sure you need lines 1 and 3
1609[11:34:16] <XeonSquared> huh
1610[11:34:17] <XeonSquared> lemme try
1611[11:34:31] <SilverBallz> and maybe one more but for jessie/stable
1612[11:35:12] <SilverBallz> and you may need deb-src for installation but i dont know for soure
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1614[11:35:22] <SilverBallz> sure*
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1617[11:37:03] <XeonSquared> nope didn't help
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1622[11:40:17] <XeonSquared> replaced-url
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1625[11:40:35] <Princess||Dashie> HI
1626[11:40:39] <Princess||Dashie> ANYBUDY?
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1628[11:41:11] <XeonSquared> 18 seconds
1629[11:41:18] <XeonSquared> wait 28
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1638[11:43:37] <hexadecimal> Hello Debianeros
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1647[11:49:35] <XeonSquared> uh
1648[11:49:36] <XeonSquared> okay then
1649[11:49:49] <XeonSquared> if I tell it to specify a mirror it'll install
1650[11:49:53] <XeonSquared> I don't have to specify a suite
1651[11:49:58] * XeonSquared is confused but happy
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1669[11:59:16] <XeonSquared> well that's progress, GRUB doesn't work but it did install
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1671[12:01:37] <TheQuestionmark> H4ndy: Still no changes, even with deb multimedia disabled.
1672[12:02:13] <TheQuestionmark> SilverBallz: So? I did add the repo for the sake of dvd playback.
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1696[12:15:00] <Meerkat> will the nvidia driver version for jessie be updated at some point?
1697[12:15:22] <markybob> no. jessie-backports maybe
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1699[12:15:52] <Meerkat> that is what I meant, yea. backports.
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1708[12:19:14] <`slikts> how do I find out which package a tool belongs to?
1709[12:19:19] <`slikts> like nslookup or dig
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1711[12:19:25] <`slikts> aside from googling
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1713[12:19:36] <`slikts> meaning, is there a specific tool for that
1714[12:19:52] <markybob> `slikts: apt-file search
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1719[12:21:22] <`slikts> markybob, fantastic, thanks
1720[12:21:24] <`slikts> that worked
1721[12:21:27] <`slikts> so it's dnsutils
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1723[12:23:35] <`slikts> also, what's a good tool to set up multiple systems the same way?
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1726[12:23:55] <`slikts> puppet?
1727[12:24:04] <nevyn> slax0r: nslookup is deprecated btw use host
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1729[12:24:22] <`slikts> yes slax0r, stop using nslookup
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1731[12:24:24] <nevyn> `slikts: depends how you mean the same way
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1733[12:24:31] <`slikts> nevyn, same dotfiles at least
1734[12:24:32] <Johann> `slikts: you can have a look at chef, puppet, ansible, fai, ...
1735[12:24:37] <nevyn> clonezilla, FAI lots of things
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1737[12:24:47] <Johann> fai ispretty good if you need to automate the installs
1738[12:24:49] * nevyn likes puppet
1739[12:25:03] <`slikts> which ones are more simple? I don't really need much power
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1741[12:25:06] <Johann> chef puppet or ansible are nice tools if you need to automate the management of the systems post install
1742[12:25:09] <nevyn> but it's the running state enforcement and reporting that make it awesome
1743[12:25:19] <nevyn> and changes
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1749[12:25:56] <Johann> `slikts: you can also you fanterm and fanout if you only need to do basics task at the same time on multiple systems
1750[12:25:57] <nevyn> so when security say we have revised the seucirty standards and now as well asdoing the things AD does minimum length is 15chars
1751[12:26:01] <nevyn> you can push that stuff
1752[12:26:48] <SilverBallz> TheQuestionmark, wish you would have waited
1753[12:27:02] <SilverBallz> let me get you the offical ones from debian
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1755[12:27:23] <SilverBallz> libdvdcss2
1756[12:27:31] <SilverBallz> thats all you needed to do
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1758[12:28:09] <TheQuestionmark> I thought Debian never had those in their repos which is why I use deb multimedia in the first place.
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1761[12:28:21] <monkey33> hi, could someone please point me in the right direction? i'm trying to upgrade my debian squeeze server to whatever is the latest, but i can't get past apt-get update without 404s
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1763[12:28:37] <SilverBallz> Merrkat... :whispers: just use the nvidia latest drivers...
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1767[12:29:02] <c-c> monkey33: your connection?
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1769[12:29:10] <c-c> monkey33: ping google.com?
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1771[12:29:14] <SilverBallz> and add coolbits setting to x config
1772[12:29:47] <TheQuestionmark> Well SilverBallz, what can I still do to fix this mess? Package management is the worst thing for me on Debian obviously.
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1774[12:30:20] <monkey33> i think i have to update my /etc/apt/sources.list but i don't know what to
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1777[12:31:10] <nevyn> !nvidia-installer
1778[12:31:11] <dpkg> well, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel-related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. See also <why nvidia-installer sucks>, <remove nvidia-installer>.
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1780[12:31:54] <markybob> yeah that sounds great
1781[12:31:59] <SilverBallz> same here. i havnt stopped braking stuff since i first install this beloved os
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1783[12:32:30] <monkey33> is there a way to upgrade debian without breaking EVERYTHING?
1784[12:32:48] * TheQuestionmark is a terrible sysadmin as it seems
1785[12:33:11] <SilverBallz> you can purge or remove what ever you installed with the deb media stuff
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1787[12:33:18] <TheQuestionmark> monkey33: Stay with stable and don't add any fancy repos or libs except those from backports perhaps.
1788[12:33:38] <monkey33> what are repos and libs
1789[12:33:41] <SilverBallz> nah brother most bad sysadmins are windows users
1790[12:33:42] <monkey33> i just want to host a web server
1791[12:33:45] <TheQuestionmark> Wish I could do so as well but back in the Squeeze and Wheezy days, certain things still looked different.
1792[12:33:46] <monkey33> i'm not a geek
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1794[12:34:00] <c-c> monkey33: "upgrade debian" doesn't make sense, what exactly do you mean?
1795[12:34:12] <monkey33> c-c: i have debian squeeze installed
1796[12:34:17] <monkey33> i cant do apt-get update or apt-get upgrade
1797[12:34:17] <c-c> monkey33: ok?
1798[12:34:22] <monkey33> it spits out gibberish 404 errors
1799[12:34:31] <c-c> monkey33: so what does ping google.com say?
1800[12:34:33] <monkey33> and lots of libraries require software packages at greater versions than i have
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1802[12:34:36] <monkey33> or am able to upgrade
1803[12:34:40] <c-c> monkey33: google "404 error"
1804[12:34:44] <SilverBallz> squeeze is awesome, now install apahche or light something... as ur httpd
1805[12:34:46] <monkey33> 64 bytes from 144.131.80.183: icmp_seq=0 ttl=60 time=25.121 ms
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1807[12:34:58] <monkey33> c-c: i know what a 404 error is
1808[12:35:07] <monkey33> the problem is that squeeze lts has ended, i believe
1809[12:35:09] <c-c> monkey33: ok, so you edited sources.list and now it doesn't work
1810[12:35:13] <monkey33> so everything in apt.list points to 404s now
1811[12:35:15] <monkey33> sources.list*
1812[12:35:22] <c-c> monkey33: open synaptic, and use it to add your repo sources
1813[12:35:23] <monkey33> c-c: no, i have not
1814[12:35:24] <monkey33> are you okay?
1815[12:35:27] <markybob> monkey33: that's because squeeze got moved to archive
1816[12:35:38] <monkey33> is there a link that will guide me through it? :)
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1818[12:36:28] <markybob> !tell monkey33 about squeeze->wheezy
1819[12:37:02] <monkey33> oh thanks markybob :)
1820[12:37:03] <monkey33> i'll try that
1821[12:37:09] <monkey33> cheers
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1870[13:13:20] <geigerCounter> Hello all. I'm having a moment of serious dumb with a C program I'm coding.
1871[13:13:32] <geigerCounter> I set up a typdef struct, right?
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1874[13:14:28] <geigerCounter> typedef struct { /* vars */ } Player; Cos I'm making a game. Then I set up an array of that struct, like so: Player players[4];
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1877[13:15:35] <geigerCounter> Then I have functions to do all the movement stuff for each player, like this: void move_left(Player *player){/* function */}
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1880[13:16:23] <abrotman> geigerCounter: why not ask ##c ?
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1882[13:16:46] <geigerCounter> abrotman: Because I didn't know it existed to be honest. XD And because I wasn't thinking.
1883[13:16:49] <geigerCounter> Thanks.
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1916[13:30:14] <woshty> Is there a LUKS channel somewhere?
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1925[13:37:24] <bgardner> woshty: #luks?
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1962[13:56:11] <sgflt> i can't get vaapi to work on broadwell: libva error: va_getDriverName() failed with unknown libva error,driver_name=(null) -- do i need to configure the package somehow?
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1965[13:57:45] <teraflops> sgflt: that's the output of vainfo?
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1970[13:59:46] <sgflt> teraflops: yes, let me paste the full output
1971[13:59:52] <teraflops> sgflt: no
1972[13:59:59] <sgflt> teraflops: (not in here, of course)
1973[14:00:08] <teraflops> sgflt: what did you install for getting vaapi?
1974[14:00:17] <teraflops> I mean the packages
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1977[14:01:20] <teraflops> sgflt: and your gpu is intel right? which model exactly?
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1980[14:01:46] <sgflt> libva1, libva1-{drm1, glx1, wayland1, x11} were installed; i install vainfo manually and i965-va-driver
1981[14:02:15] <sgflt> cpumodel is Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-5200U, which is a broadwell CPU as far as i can tell
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1983[14:02:26] <teraflops> sgflt: what does "i install vainfo manually" mean?
1984[14:02:34] <sgflt> hd graphics 5500
1985[14:02:52] <sgflt> teraflops: as in i ran apt-get to install it, the other packages were probably installed automatically as dependencies
1986[14:02:57] <teraflops> sgflt: ah
1987[14:02:59] <teraflops> ok
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1993[14:04:02] <sgflt> i can't find all the -dbg symbols (i'm trying to single-step through vainfo, to see why it returns -1 von va_getDriverName())
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1997[14:05:26] <sgflt> what's worrying me a bit is that after googling, i saw that it should "try" to load some .so files (and, i think, report doing so), but it doesn't. this is the full output: replaced-url
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2000[14:06:14] <teraflops> sgflt: you have hw accel and glxinfo shows Mesa DRI?
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2003[14:07:33] <teraflops> sgflt: also, you want to install libva-intel-vaapi-driver or the dbg one
2004[14:07:35] <sgflt> teraflops: glxinfo says client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI
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2006[14:07:47] <teraflops> it picks the one you need
2007[14:07:56] <teraflops> sgflt: hmm
2008[14:08:02] <sgflt> teraflops: Note, selecting 'i965-va-driver' instead of 'libva-intel-vaapi-driver'
2009[14:08:26] <teraflops> yeah it's a virtual package
2010[14:08:43] <teraflops> sgflt: try `LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME=i965 vainfo`
2011[14:09:11] <sgflt> i have and it does not change anything
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2013[14:09:30] <sgflt> mainly because of lines 465ff in va.c
2014[14:09:37] <teraflops> ^
2015[14:09:46] <teraflops> sgflt: please try `LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME=i965 vainfo`
2016[14:09:53] <sgflt> LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME=i965 vainfo --> same output
2017[14:09:56] <teraflops> ah
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2021[14:10:18] <teraflops> sgflt: are you in stock non mixed repos deian jessie?
2022[14:10:27] <teraflops> debian*
2023[14:10:48] <sgflt> yes
2024[14:10:52] <teraflops> hmm
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2027[14:11:24] <sgflt> i run a few extra archs and have jessie-backports enabled
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2029[14:11:55] <sgflt> but package versions are from jessie stable
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2033[14:12:37] <sgflt> the env-variable does not do a thing, if you look at the source, it is used like this: if ((VA_STATUS_SUCCESS == vaStatus) && driver_name_env && (geteuid() == getuid())) {
2034[14:12:49] <sgflt> but vaStatus is -1 at that point already
2035[14:13:35] <teraflops> sgflt: no idea then
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2039[14:15:37] <teraflops> sgflt: hmm you have xserver-xorg-video-intel?
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2041[14:16:18] <sgflt> already installed
2042[14:16:20] <teraflops> sgflt: if yes, give a try to modesetting then
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2044[14:17:14] <sgflt> hmm, how exactly?
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2050[14:18:45] <teraflops> sgflt: you uninstall xf86-video.. intel, move any custom /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ or xorg.conf files away and restart
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2054[14:19:28] <teraflops> sgflt: you have libgl1-mesa-dri installed too right?
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2059[14:21:24] <sgflt> i have no xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d at all.
2060[14:21:38] <teraflops> move away != erasin is just for checking the modesetting support, it usually performs better thatn the xf86 video driver
2061[14:21:43] <sgflt> libgl1-mesa-dri is installed
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2063[14:22:22] <hektabyte> Guys, I have a huge problem. I reinserted my hard drive and now I can't boot my Debian. Windows Boot Manager only shows up.
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2065[14:22:26] <teraflops> yeah give a try to modesetting, you can revert it re-installing the xorg video intel driver
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2068[14:22:36] <sgflt> alright, brb
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2071[14:23:34] <hektabyte> Which doesn't make any sence. I think that an upgrade killed the GRUB. So how do I restore it?
2072[14:24:20] <xormor> hektabyte, grub-install and update-grub
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2075[14:24:31] <hektabyte> Using a Live USB?
2076[14:24:51] <xormor> hektabyte, yes
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2079[14:26:16] <hektabyte> I'll try this first from Windows and let you guys know - bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\debian\grubx64.efi
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2082[14:26:39] <sgflt> teraflops: purged the xorg-..intel module, rebooted. stil have graphics and all, but same problem with vainfo
2083[14:26:45] <teraflops> hmm
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2085[14:27:03] <teraflops> sgflt: i run out of ideas :S
2086[14:27:11] <sgflt> damnit
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2088[14:27:13] <sgflt> =)
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2097[14:28:43] <sgflt> i'm trying to build the package from source so i can patch it a little bit; however it seems that it's not that easy if you have gcc 4.8 (required by the kernel) and 4.9 installed
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2113[14:32:20] <teraflops> sgflt: hmm, tried with xorg-video intel from backports?
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2115[14:32:57] <sgflt> not yet
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2119[14:34:05] <sgflt> when altering the source of a package, how can i debuild to ignore patches and all and just recompile and package again?
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2126[14:38:19] <jak2000> hi all
2127[14:38:53] <jak2000> wich is the official guide for connect with a key file? form server 1 to server 2 i am interested in use scp command
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2136[14:41:49] <nkuttler> !tell jak2000 about ssh without password
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2138[14:42:47] <sgflt> teraflops: installing xorg..intel and libvd1 from jessie-backports magically fixed it
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2148[14:47:17] <sgflt> teraflops: full screen twitch video still uses 180% cpu; is that how things should be or can i verify if acceleration is working somehow? vainfo works now, and vdpauinfo looks as well
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2153[14:49:30] <sgflt> teraflops: it's a html5 player issue. so i guess it works (when using flash -.-)
2154[14:49:36] <sgflt> teraflops: thank you for the support =)
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2156[14:50:20] <jak2000> i changed the name of the server in /etc/hostname file to Itsol in varios times i get this warning message "sudo: unable to resolve host Itsol" why? any advice
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2162[14:53:05] <jak2000> and how to know if i have debian whezzy or jessie? (i buy a vps and only say: Debian 8
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2164[14:53:31] <abrotman> lsb_release -a
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2166[14:54:46] <jak2000> 8.5 jessie
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2168[14:55:14] <jak2000> thanks, why i get warning message when changed the hostname need modify too in other place?
2169[14:55:38] <teraflops> sgflt: ah nice
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2172[14:56:51] <teraflops> sgflt: for twitch use mpv (ytdl hook), then you get vaapi working with hwdec=vaapi vo=vaapi
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2175[14:58:32] <teraflops> jak2000: yes, in /etc/hosts too
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2181[15:02:56] <sgflt> teraflops: mpv plays downloaded twitch vids with 30-70% cpu (vaapi/opengl/x11)
2182[15:03:06] <sgflt> teraflops: but chromium/chrome is a different story still
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2184[15:03:40] <teraflops> sgflt: which codec?
2185[15:04:09] <sgflt> teraflops: h264 on the downloaded video
2186[15:04:21] <sgflt> teraflops: currently trying to figure out the codec on twitch
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2188[15:04:37] <sgflt> teraflops: stream is mp2t, but i'm guessing there's a another video codec inside there
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2191[15:05:38] <teraflops> sgflt: 30-70% looks pretty bad for mpv, my cpu stays intact when doing twitch via mpv
2192[15:05:54] <sgflt> teraflops: mpv can play twitch?
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2194[15:06:17] <teraflops> yeah replaced-url
2195[15:06:45] <sgflt> woa
2196[15:07:08] <teraflops> just install youtube-dl
2197[15:07:29] <teraflops> mpv has a hook aka it talks ytdl
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2200[15:08:01] <sgflt> Failed to recognize file format. still. is the hook included in the youtube-dl pkg?
2201[15:08:15] <teraflops> afaik you just install youtube-dl
2202[15:08:22] <teraflops> and mpv
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2204[15:08:56] <teraflops> sgflt: then e.g `mpv "replaced-url
2205[15:09:23] <sgflt> teraflops: tried with that exact uri, still getting Failed to recognize file format. will try with backports
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2213[15:15:29] <TheQuestionmark> Note - Debian forum users are worthless when it comes to ask for help.
2214[15:17:00] <jak2000> teraflops: 127.0.0.1 localhost change this line by 127.0.0.1 ItSol?
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2216[15:17:25] <teraflops> jak2000: right
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2218[15:17:32] <sgflt> teraflops: i'm not sure how you got it working with the youtube-dl package; it only works for me using pipes and running the latest youtube dl via PyPI
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2220[15:18:04] <teraflops> sgflt: oh I do ytdl via pip
2221[15:18:25] <teraflops> sgflt: sorry for not mentioning it
2222[15:18:27] <sgflt> teraflops: the version in the deb repos has a bug that causes -o- to fail on twitch
2223[15:18:48] <sgflt> teraflops: however, mpv integration is still not working. may i ask what mpv version you use?
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2225[15:19:02] <jak2000> on /etc/hosts all say: localhots change by Itsol right?
2226[15:19:02] <teraflops> sgflt: let me see
2227[15:19:08] <sgflt> teraflops: i'm on mpv 0.6.2 (C) 2000-2014 mpv/MPlayer/mplayer2 projects
2228[15:19:24] <jak2000> nkuttler: replaced-url
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2235[15:19:54] <teraflops> sgflt: I compile it
2236[15:19:57] <teraflops> it's 0.17.0
2237[15:20:22] <teraflops> ,v mpv
2238[15:20:23] <judd> Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; stretch: 0.14.0-1+b2; sid: 0.14.0-1+b2; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.17.0-dmo2
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2241[15:20:59] <teraflops> hmm im curios im going to try jessie packages
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2243[15:21:04] <teraflops> curious*
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2246[15:21:37] <sgflt> i'd give sid a try, but that'll probably pull in a crapton of media-library dependencies =/
2247[15:21:47] <teraflops> sgflt: ehhh wait :P
2248[15:21:55] <teraflops> heh
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2252[15:22:54] <jak2000> teraflops?
2253[15:24:05] <sgflt> teraflops: the --ytdl options isn't in my flags or manpage, so i'm guessing it got added later
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2255[15:24:50] <teraflops> jak2000: you asked if you has to change the hostname in other places, I said: yes in /etc/hosts so the current hostname matches the line 127.0.0.1 .... hostname
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2257[15:25:04] <teraflops> sgflt: indeed
2258[15:25:56] <teraflops> oh shit my stock jessie qemu image has to install a bunch of updates
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2279[15:38:06] <SilverBallz> So the touchscreen is fixed. Live CD just reminded me of how elegant jessie is. Turned out the bios was set up for win7 and not win8.x
2280[15:38:30] <SilverBallz> who would have thought huh
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2295[15:49:10] <g00se> Is it OK to use mke2fs to set a label while the device is mounted and in use?
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2299[15:50:27] <hexnewbie> g00se: I assume you mean tune2fs?
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2301[15:50:42] <Serialbox> # tune2fs -L whatever /dev/sda2
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2303[15:50:55] <Serialbox> and yes, you can use tune2fs on a live file system
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2305[15:51:53] <g00se> Sorry yes, thanks
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2307[15:52:06] <Serialbox> e2label works too :)
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2313[15:56:13] * g00se would have thought that label would appear under 'Name' in parted
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2321[15:59:48] <g00se> Attempted to set name with parted. Got "Warning: The existing disk label on /dev/sda1 will be destroyed and all data on this disk will be lost. "
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2326[16:01:17] <azswa> hi, trying to preseed language to installation of 8.5. d-i localechooser/languagelist select en won't work. Anyone knows why?
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2329[16:02:10] <g00se> Upshot: my goal is not achieved
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2357[16:23:37] <jak2000> i want eecute a 'make' but get this error: " make: command not found"
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2360[16:25:11] <markybob> you could apt-get install make :P but you should apt-get install build-essential
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2411[17:00:37] <Vanfanel> I did something stupid and deinstalled apt on my Debian system. How can I reinstall it? I can use dpkg, but... how can I get the .deb for apt for my distro?
2412[17:01:00] <abrotman> wget
2413[17:01:29] <Vanfanel> abrotman: yes, but... where are the .deb packages of apt?
2414[17:01:47] <markybob> do you actually mean apt or are you talking about apt-get?
2415[17:01:54] <abrotman> Vanfanel: use a web browser,get the URL
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2418[17:03:29] <zykotick9> Vanfanel: you could check if the deb is still in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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2420[17:03:47] <Vanfanel> abrotman: yes, well, Raspbian packages are supposed to be here: replaced-url
2421[17:03:50] <markybob> Vanfanel: replaced-url
2422[17:04:23] <Vanfanel> markybob: I am on raspbian (arm) but that gives me the route.. lets see :)
2423[17:04:51] <themill> Vanfanel: and that's why you really should be asking #raspbian
2424[17:04:51] <markybob> Vanfanel: replaced-url
2425[17:05:01] <markybob> that too
2426[17:05:47] <Vanfanel> themill: as far as I can see, routes are the almost the same
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2429[17:07:54] <themill> and yet the URLs you were given were not correct
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2432[17:10:21] <Vanfanel> themill: as far as I can see, raspbian apt packages are in replaced-url
2433[17:10:37] <themill> Vanfanel: #raspbian is over there →
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2435[17:11:15] <Vanfanel> ok, ok, it's a debian system anyway
2436[17:11:31] <themill> no
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2478[17:31:36] <windows10_user> hello, tell pencilandpaper i said hi
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2527[17:54:00] <eikasem> how can i list all build-dep for a package minus those installed, without resolving dependencies?
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2530[17:56:07] <eikasem> also, where can i find the documentation for apt options? i was searching for one specifig option. no luck with man -K Build-Dep-Automatic , none with find /usr/share/doc -name "*gz" -print0 | xargs -0 zgrep 'Build-Dep-Automatic'
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2533[17:58:23] <eikasem> it looks like what i am looking for is an exhaustive list of apt "configuraton items"
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2540[18:00:33] <somiaj> eikasem: I don't think you can see that list with out trying to install. But why not just do a --dry-run
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2542[18:00:43] <somiaj> eikasem: apt-get --dry-run build-dep packagename
2543[18:00:58] <somiaj> eikasem: that will list everything that needs to be installed (and do some other stuff)
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2545[18:01:36] <somiaj> eikasem: as for apt_preferences you can man apt_preferences or check /usr/share/doc/apt-doc/ (if you ahve the apt-doc package installed)
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2549[18:02:56] <eikasem> somiaj: it includes dependencies. i am only interested in the packages $packagename depends on. basically what for example replaced-url
2550[18:03:06] <eikasem> somiaj: minus those installed
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2554[18:04:06] <eikasem> somiaj: apt-doc only contains a short guide, apt_preferences does not contain the configuration items
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2557[18:04:44] <eikasem> comgot: the closest i have found is apt.conf(5)
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2561[18:05:34] <somiaj> eikasem: apt-cache show packagename, apt-cache depends packagename, apt-rdepends is another tool
2562[18:05:59] <eikasem> for apt-get, it refers to its configuration items to apt-get(8), which contains only those items which habe a corresponding option flag
2563[18:06:27] <zykotick9> somiaj: "apt-cache rdepends foo" exists
2564[18:06:29] <eikasem> somiaj: all those don't show build dependencies
2565[18:06:48] <Bronze> debian is currently shipping Vim 7.3 compiled in Feb 2013. As of Aug 2013 Vim 7.4 has been out. Anyone know when debian will move to the new (three years old, "new" :-) ) version?
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2567[18:07:39] <petn-randall> Bronze: With the next release.
2568[18:07:43] <zykotick9> Bronze: what does testing/unstable have? note, never versions of software do NOT get added to the "stable" debian release.
2569[18:07:46] <markybob> Bronze: jessie has 7.4...so does wheezy-backports
2570[18:07:56] <zykotick9> s/never/newer/
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2572[18:08:11] <Bronze> markybob: ah, I'm on wheezy. Good.
2573[18:08:12] <petn-randall> Bronze: After a stable release is out, only bugfix changes go in the update channel.
2574[18:08:17] <Bronze> petn-randall: thank you
2575[18:08:30] <Bronze> zykotick9: excellent point
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2577[18:08:48] <markybob> Bronze: so use wheezy-backports or upgrade to jessie
2578[18:09:02] <Bronze> exactly my thought. :-0
2579[18:09:08] <Bronze> *:-)
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2581[18:09:24] <Bronze> (I can't even type a smiley )
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2583[18:09:28] <TheQuestionmark> How stable is testing for daily purposes at this point? Last time I gave it a try was during Jessie
2584[18:09:32] <TheQuestionmark> 's time there.
2585[18:09:47] <TheQuestionmark> The thing messed up GRUB but worked for the most part otherwise.
2586[18:10:02] <zykotick9> TheQuestionmark: you might want to ask the people that use it, in #debian-next of OFTC network.
2587[18:10:06] <markybob> TheQuestionmark: ask those people. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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2590[18:11:22] <TheQuestionmark> Heh... nice.
2591[18:11:30] <TheQuestionmark> Thx for the input.
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2595[18:12:09] <TheQuestionmark> Either I switch to Testing or try to fix my messed up Repo issue for Stable.
2596[18:12:30] <markybob> !dontbreakdebian
2597[18:12:30] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is replaced-url
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2633[18:18:33] <magyar> hi, when I start sshd in recovery mode I can't get a terminal, all I get is "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0". Is it possible to get a shell prompt in recovery mode?
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2661[18:34:08] <somiaj> eki: seems apt-rdepends will list --build-dpeneds
2662[18:34:21] <somiaj> eikasem: ^^
2663[18:34:59] <somiaj> magyar: what do you mean by recovery mode? Using the debian installer in a recovery mode?
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2666[18:35:46] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: testing can run okay but you do need to know how to deal with issues when things are broken. Once testing freezes (this will happen next February) it gets a lot smoother
2667[18:35:48] <magyar> simonlnu: yes, i start ssh but get "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0"
2668[18:35:59] <magyar> somiaj: ^
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2670[18:36:11] <somiaj> magyar: any reason you need ssh in recovery mode? Does the console you get not work well enough?
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2673[18:36:52] <somiaj> magyar: sounds like it is in a single-user mode and hasn't set up multiuser mode yet, but unsure how to achive this.
2674[18:37:15] <magyar> somiaj: i'm remote and the enduser is not very savvy
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2676[18:38:06] <somiaj> magyar: so you are trying to get someone on another end to set this up so you can recover? Would having them use a full live enviroment instaed of recovery mode help out?
2677[18:38:16] <unborn> markybob: I like that wikis dont break debian, finally something where I can forward nonsense questions ;)
2678[18:38:22] <somiaj> just ahve them boot into a live image and start sshd, from there you should have access to the full machine
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2683[18:39:42] <magyar> somiaj: recovery is all i have
2684[18:40:19] <eikasem> somiaj: apt-rdepends --build-depends --state-follow=0 --print-state
2685[18:40:29] <eikasem> somiaj: that works, thank you!
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2690[18:43:19] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: I see. Thing is, packages on my system depend on newer packages as those available in my repos and no one seems to be able to help me out.
2691[18:43:47] <evanvarvell> ...
2692[18:43:49] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: this should not happen if you use offical jessie repos, you ahve been pointed to a wiki page that explains what happens if you try to mix repos that are not designed to work togehter
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2695[18:45:00] <TheQuestionmark> Good point somiaj but I don't trust the idea of things being entirely messed up. I'm pretty sure things around a messed up libgl1 dev package can be fixed.
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2699[18:45:39] <TheQuestionmark> In fact, I'm pretty sure I had a simliar issue once already but forget what fixed the problem for me.
2700[18:45:51] <somiaj> magyar: replaced-url
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2702[18:46:43] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: depending on what you installed that is not part of the offical jessie repo, you can manually track down the issues and fix them, but this takes time.
2703[18:46:52] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net
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2705[18:48:19] <sn0wmonster> Got a question about upgrading packages
2706[18:48:58] <sn0wmonster> my Jessie VPS says the gpg is version 1.4.18, but my friend is running gpg 2.0.30,
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2708[18:49:15] <sn0wmonster> when i apt-get upgrade it doesn't bother upgrading
2709[18:49:23] <sn0wmonster> says I am on the latest version of gpg
2710[18:49:27] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: jessie is a frozen system, and as such jessie won't change the versions during the release.
2711[18:49:29] <sn0wmonster> does this mean i need to install it manually?
2712[18:49:35] <somiaj> ,v gpg
2713[18:49:36] <judd> No package named 'gpg' was found in amd64.
2714[18:49:38] <sn0wmonster> oh i see
2715[18:49:41] <sn0wmonster> gnupg sorry
2716[18:49:43] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: what is the actual package name?
2717[18:49:45] <somiaj> ,v gnupg
2718[18:49:48] <judd> Package: gnupg on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.4.10-4+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1.4.10-4+squeeze4; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.10-4+squeeze7; wheezy-security: 1.4.12-7+deb7u7; wheezy: 1.4.12-7+deb7u7; jessie: 1.4.18-7+deb8u1; stretch: 1.4.20-6; sid: 1.4.20-6; experimental: 2.1.12-1
2719[18:50:10] <sn0wmonster> So it is something I cannot isntall simply with apt-get install then?
2720[18:50:11] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: version 2 isn't even in debian yet so this makes the process much harder.
2721[18:50:36] <sn0wmonster> Apparently the version I need *at least* starts 1.4.9
2722[18:50:37] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: you can compile it yourself, but realize that thigns in jessie may depend on this package and you could break other software on your system by jumping the version from 1.4.18 to 2.x
2723[18:50:51] <sn0wmonster> So 1.4.10 would work I think
2724[18:50:56] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: well jessie has 1.4.18 and that is atleast 1.4.9
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2726[18:51:46] <jaggz> perl -e 'print crypt("hi", "\$x"); print "\n";'
2727[18:51:54] <jaggz> this works on my old debian system
2728[18:51:58] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: there are ways to get newer stuff in jessie, but I would be careful here if you have things that depend on gnupg, you could breakt hem by changing the version (this is one of the main reasons jessie doesn't upgrade versions (except in rare cases). Jessie wants to ensure that all the packages work well together.
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2730[18:52:06] <jaggz> but not my new
2731[18:52:11] <magyar> somiaj: thanks, that worked out great!
2732[18:52:23] <somiaj> jaggz: could you be missing the perl package that contains crypt()
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2736[18:52:54] <somiaj> jaggz: what was your old debian version and what is your new debian version?
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2738[18:53:48] <jaggz> works in wheezybut not in jessie. crypt() is supposed to accept [a-z0-9/.], so it's a bug in my code, really
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2741[18:54:16] <somiaj> ,v perl
2742[18:54:17] <judd> Package: perl on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 5.14.2-21+deb7u3; jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u4; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u5; sid: 5.22.2-1; stretch: 5.22.2-1; experimental: 5.24.0-1
2743[18:54:22] <jaggz> it works if I use letters in the proper salt set
2744[18:54:31] <jaggz> I believe it's the system's crypt(), not perl
2745[18:54:45] <somiaj> jaggz: it could be a change between perl 5.14 and 5.20 as well.
2746[18:55:05] <jaggz> since my C interfaces suffer from the same issue (users suddenly had issues logging in.. I found many had salts with $ in them)
2747[18:55:08] <somiaj> well since you are parsing it through perl, it is doing what ever perl crypt() needs, but I don't know the details.
2748[18:55:23] <jaggz> yeah perl crypt says it's up to the system's crypt()
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2781[19:10:56] <jaggz> somiaj: looks like no salt's composed of the 'proper' character set match, once crypted
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2783[19:11:29] <jaggz> I need to look at the crypt() source for wheezy..
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2789[19:13:37] <jaggz> on a new system, can I download the source for libc6 of a specific really old version?
2790[19:14:21] <abrotman> you can download the source for anything ...
2791[19:14:28] <abrotman> what do you actually want to do with it?
2792[19:15:00] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: Sorry for the late reply, I had dinner. Here's what apt-cache policy says replaced-url
2793[19:15:17] <sn0wmonster> how do i get the exact path of a folder a package is installed to?
2794[19:15:22] <sn0wmonster> I installed gnupg2 (gpg2)
2795[19:15:25] <jaggz> I want to look at the crypt() source to see what it's doing with its salt
2796[19:15:29] <sn0wmonster> apt-get install gnupg2
2797[19:15:32] <jaggz> abrotman
2798[19:15:35] <sn0wmonster> but I need to knwo the "home director"
2799[19:15:40] <sn0wmonster> directory*
2800[19:15:58] <jaggz> sn0wmonster: ? dpkg -L packagename
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2802[19:16:48] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: I just wanted apt-cache policy (not all the packages) but here is most likely your problem
2803[19:16:51] <somiaj> !deb-multimedia
2804[19:16:52] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
2805[19:17:09] <abrotman> jaggz: okay, so get the tarball, and extract it
2806[19:17:19] <jaggz> trying to find it
2807[19:17:31] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: dpkg -L packagename
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2810[19:17:40] <jaggz> abrotman: 2.13-38+deb7u1
2811[19:18:46] <jaggz> looking for a wheezy mirror
2812[19:18:57] <somiaj> jaggz: if you ahve a deb-src line, you can just apt-get source
2813[19:19:03] <somiaj> jaggz: wheezy is still on the offical mirrors
2814[19:19:20] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: I guess so but what's next? deb-multimedia is disabled by now but things still look messy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade go trough just fine but when trying to install dev packages, things look ugly and Debian demands on packages newer than those from the repos.
2815[19:19:46] <somiaj> !tell TheQuestionmark about dmm remove
2816[19:20:02] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: you will have to track down the issues you are having slowly and fix them.
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2821[19:21:24] <jaggz> somiaj: hm
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2824[19:22:18] <jaggz> so, in my jessie system, if I add lines for wheezy (including updates and security, in case the version is there), that'll work?
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2826[19:22:40] <jaggz> I won't destroy my system with wheezy packages... ? :)
2827[19:22:48] <sm00th> hey guys, i'm having trouble setting surround sound in debian kde
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2829[19:23:11] <somiaj> jaggz: deb-src lines only give you access to source and will not install binary packages. otherwords it is fine (a deb line is not)
2830[19:23:15] <sm00th> i have sound but don't think its working right. do I need to install phonon backend?
2831[19:23:51] <somiaj> sm00th: using pulse? have you installed pavucontrol
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2833[19:24:11] <sm00th> speaker-test works, although doesn't sound right. and the kde audio setup test ahs no sound
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2835[19:24:26] <somiaj> sm00th: the other thing is what actual alsa driver are you using snd-hda-intel is a very common one
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2838[19:26:22] <jaggz> somiaj: apt-get source libc6=2.13-38+deb7u1 ?
2839[19:26:37] <somiaj> jaggz: that should work
2840[19:26:40] <sm00th> I notice when trying to test sound in kde audio setup it says phonon on top, but in backend section it only shows vlc
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2842[19:26:47] <jaggz> Picking 'glibc' as source package instead of 'libc6' E: Can not find version '2.13-38+deb7u1' of package 'libc6'
2843[19:27:00] <sm00th> oh it says Phonon VLC backend
2844[19:27:24] <sm00th> I guess i'll install pavucontrol and see if there is any diff setting
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2848[19:28:10] <somiaj> jaggz: source package names are not always the same binary packages. if wheezy is your only deb-src line you don't need to speicify the version. You can also just do -t wheezy
2849[19:28:35] <sm00th> somiaj, its the same thing. I'm not hearing the sounds, little popping noises when moving volume in pavucontrol that you are supposed to hear
2850[19:28:45] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: I'm sorry to ask but has deb-multimedia to be activated when performing this command? Because for me, it does nothing.
2851[19:28:54] <sm00th> I have sound in applications. but osmething is not right
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2853[19:29:21] <jaggz> somiaj: I have a lot of deb-src lines, for jessie
2854[19:29:21] <somiaj> sm00th: I don't know phonon, sounds like it might not be pulse. But the alsa sound driver also has various model= you can set for the card that sometimes changes how the ports work.
2855[19:29:25] <jaggz> apt-get -t wheezy source libc6 ?
2856[19:29:38] <mrrhq> sm00th: I'd say to uninstall Pulse Audio and just using straight up ALSA.
2857[19:29:47] <jaggz> The value 'wheezy' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
2858[19:29:51] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: unsure, I have never tried. I just know to avoid using such repos. But yes it might need to be enabled so apt knows which packages ceom from that repo.
2859[19:30:06] <jaggz> I can remove my other source lines for now I guess
2860[19:30:07] <somiaj> jaggz: did you run apt-get update after adding the deb-src line for wheezy?
2861[19:30:07] <sm00th> ya its definitely not working right
2862[19:30:13] <jaggz> yes
2863[19:30:30] <somiaj> jaggz: apt-cache policy will show you the sources
2864[19:30:30] <jaggz> I didn't add contrib and non-free, of course
2865[19:30:34] <somiaj> jaggz: it might be called wheezy-lts now
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2867[19:32:12] <jaggz> it's only showing me deb8.. looks like it's just wheezy still, btw
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2869[19:32:47] <jaggz> where are they in the directory tree? replaced-url
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2871[19:32:58] <jaggz> I'm not seeing the source packages
2872[19:33:22] <sm00th> let me install phonon-gstreamer and see what happens
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2875[19:34:15] <jaggz> actually, when looking through the directories there, I'm not seeing where any of the packages are..
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2878[19:34:28] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: Still the same results with deb-multimedia being enabled. HOWEVER, I just get to read that dpkg --remove needs certain pkg names and that librtmp1 seems to exist more than once on my system.
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2883[19:36:20] <somiaj> jaggz: what is the output of apt-cache policy and your sources.list
2884[19:36:24] <somiaj> jaggz: put it at paste.debian.net
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2889[19:38:33] <sm00th> setting it to gstreamer didn't make a diff
2890[19:39:01] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: Now things get funny, libcurtl3-gnutls depends on librtmp1, so I can not do a 'apt-get remove librtmp1' on it.
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2892[19:39:36] <jaggz> replaced-url
2893[19:39:42] <TheQuestionmark> To be exact... librtmp1 (>= 2.4+20131018.git79459a2-3~)
2894[19:39:53] <jaggz> replaced-url
2895[19:40:00] <jaggz> no wheezy listed in policy.. neat
2896[19:40:08] <tharkun> Is this the place to ask about a ipsec/racoon isue or there is a better channel to ask?
2897[19:40:20] <jaggz> (I do just have the deb-src line, without the deb line)
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2903[19:42:22] <TheQuestionmark> Now's the question, what do to about that? As it seems that remvoing libcurl3-gnutls would make my system about any package that's relevant to me, like entirely KDE, Virtualbox, vokoscreen, weechat, supertuxkart, transmission and so on and on.
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2906[19:42:48] <jaggz> (btw, I tried to get by without deb multimedia but there were some things that were still required.. or at least I couldn't get everything operational and, after some days, gave up and just used multiemdia)
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2908[19:43:12] <jaggz> and I think official java was for android development.. perhaps one day I will do someting useful with that
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2916[19:46:23] <sm00th> somiaj, I have found the solution. debian should be informed
2917[19:46:27] <jaggz> I shouldn't offer I should just serve it
2918[19:46:33] <sm00th> let me find that linka gain
2919[19:46:46] <jaggz> send the italian linka!
2920[19:47:40] <sm00th> somiaj, replaced-url
2921[19:47:59] <sm00th> the solution is to install sound-theme-freedesktop and libcanberra-pulse
2922[19:48:18] <sm00th> now my surround is working properly, its not just that the test buttons in kde settings didn't work. the osund was also not proper
2923[19:48:24] <sm00th> i'm an audiophile with a keen ear lol
2924[19:48:38] <sm00th> the balance was way too far to the left for example, back right speaker hardly had sound
2925[19:48:41] <sm00th> now it sounds proper
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2940[19:53:59] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: what is the output of apt-cache policy librtmp1
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2942[19:54:48] <stormchaser3000> i seem to have an issue with the screen "shaking" on my MSI GT72 2QD (a gaming laptop 2 different graphics setups. one being nvidia and the other intel. and i am currently using the intel setup)
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2945[19:56:34] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: As you guessed, it connects to the dmm issue. Here, take a look: replaced-url
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2949[19:59:09] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: what does apt-get -t jessie install librtmp1 do?
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2956[20:01:53] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: It tells me that librtmp1 is already the newest version.
2957[20:02:46] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: hmm okay, 'apt-get install librtmp1=2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1
2958[20:04:36] <TheQuestionmark> Okay, it asked me to replace it by an older release and also libcurl3:i386, libcurl3-nutls:i386, librtmp-dev, librtmp1:i386 and smokinguns:i386 were removed.
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2960[20:04:52] <TheQuestionmark> Odd that it also removes a game package but oh well...
2961[20:05:06] <vahe> hi,what does for system? baloo_file_extractor ?
2962[20:05:06] <vahe> and plasmashell --shut-up replaced-url
2963[20:05:07] <vahe> kde
2964[20:05:17] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: correct. Well the game depends on the libary so it gets removed
2965[20:05:27] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: instead of removing the libs you can add them to the list by repeating what we just did
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2967[20:05:52] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: so apt-get install librtmp1=2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1 librtmp-dev=blah librtmp1:i386=blah
2968[20:06:14] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: but it seems you are going to have to manually go though and fix the packages you are having trouble with. This will take some time and work.
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2983[20:12:56] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: So I decide manually what's actually pinning work by telling apt which version of the packages I want?
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3007[20:28:10] <kitto> hey I'm having a problem I'm getting constant SSL errors on all of my browsers
3008[20:28:16] <kitto> every site I go says untrusted
3009[20:28:27] <FinalX> tried this?: apt-get install ca-certificates
3010[20:28:30] <petn-randall> kitto: Which release are you running?
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3014[20:29:23] <kitto> gnewsense 4 which uses wheezy
3015[20:29:39] <kitto> not getting a response from the gnewsense IRC chat
3016[20:30:05] <kitto> petn-randall; also I can't upgrade it says packages are held back
3017[20:30:35] <kitto> I tried sudo apt-get -f install and sudo apt-get install -f as well as auto-remove still giving me the same problems.
3018[20:30:54] <FinalX> did you try what I just mentioned?
3019[20:31:00] <FinalX> sudo apt-get install ca-certificates
3020[20:31:03] <petn-randall> !gnewsense
3021[20:31:03] <dpkg> gNewSense GNU/Linux is an operating system previously based on <Ubuntu>, now <based on debian> without most non-free software/firmware/binary-only blobs, but with <GFDL>-licensed documentation. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
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3024[20:31:29] <kitto> I'll try that now sorry for missing that.
3025[20:32:05] <andyreplaced-url
3026[20:32:09] <kitto> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
3027[20:32:10] <kitto> libc6-dev : Breaks: gcc-4.4 (< 4.4.6-4) but 4.4.5-8 is to be installed
3028[20:32:10] <andyreplaced-url
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3030[20:34:05] <petn-randall> kitto: Looks like you mixed repositories. Can you show us the output of 'apt-cache policy'? replaced-url
3031[20:34:23] <FinalX> kitto: sounds like you're having a different kind of problem to be resolved first; you already tried apt-get install -f, though.. perhaps you're installing libc6-dev from backports, and not gcc-4.4, try installing that from backports as well
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3033[20:34:41] <FinalX> ..or that
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3035[20:35:11] <kitto> petn-randall: sure what's the commandline again for pasting into that site without me having to go to the site itself?
3036[20:35:18] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: yes you can use apt to install specific versions if needed
3037[20:35:28] <petn-randall> !pastebinit
3038[20:35:29] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
3039[20:35:47] <petn-randall> kitto: ^^^
3040[20:35:53] <kitto> thanks
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3046[20:37:16] <jaggz> Somiaj, any ideas on the wheezy source issue?
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3048[20:38:56] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: Sounds useful to me. On top of that, your command seems to bring me further with my issue. I'm installing backports packages right now
3049[20:40:16] <jelly> dpkg, tell kitto about basic apt troubleshooting
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3069[20:52:12] <kitto> jelly: replaced-url
3070[20:52:43] <kitto> sorry that took so long
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3072[20:52:54] <kitto> I'm kind of multi-tasking
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3075[20:53:10] <kitto> that's the results to those commands you requested
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3077[20:53:32] <kitto> petn-randall: **
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3083[20:55:52] <petn-randall> kitto: "apt-get/apt/aptitude run" wasn't not meant literally. We want to see the output when running 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade', and 'apt-get install -f'
3084[20:56:28] <kitto> petn-randall: ah ok sorry
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3094[20:59:49] <kitto> petn-randall: here we go replaced-url
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3096[21:00:26] <petn-randall> kitto: Looks like you ahve a partial upgrade that needs finishing.
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3099[21:00:51] <somiaj> jaggz: did you share me a paste of your sources.list and apt-cache policy?
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3102[21:01:26] <kitto> petn-randall: how do I get it to finish then?
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3112[21:05:20] <sm00th> [ 177.940315] audit: audit_lost=4781 audit_rate_limit=0 audit_backlog_limit=320
3113[21:05:20] <sm00th> [ 177.940316] audit: backlog limit exceeded
3114[21:05:21] <TheQuestionmark> Well... now my xserver gets removed along with a ton of other useful stuff like the nvidia drivers. That's the price for removing libdrm.
3115[21:05:26] <TheQuestionmark> *libdrm2
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3117[21:06:47] <petn-randall> kitto: Can you show us the _complete_ run of 'apt-get upgrade'? When you answer yes to the upgrade?
3118[21:06:59] <baconicsynergy> who needs an xserver anyway
3119[21:07:04] <FinalX> for a little project of mine with containers, anyone know from the top of their heads if openssh can allow entry solely based on ident and just allow it passwordlessly?
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3123[21:07:19] <FinalX> like, ssh from host to container if ident matches with no additional auth
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3128[21:08:18] <TheQuestionmark> Hmm... now which packages need to get reinstalled? Huh... that's one nice Saturday evening.
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3132[21:11:48] <marioxcc> Hello.
3133[21:12:03] <kitto> petn-randall: there's no "Y/N" it just doesn't complete
3134[21:12:30] <marioxcc> Is there a way to post to Reddit without using its proprietary JavaScript?.
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3136[21:12:36] <kitto> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 771 not upgraded.
3137[21:12:40] <kitto> that's all it says
3138[21:13:18] <petn-randall> marioxcc: You'll probably have to ask reddit.
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3140[21:13:40] <kitto> petn-randall; at the beginning it says "The following packages have been kept back:"
3141[21:13:42] <marioxcc> petn-randall: It's a serious question. :)
3142[21:13:52] <petn-randall> kitto: Sorry 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.
3143[21:14:04] <kitto> petn-randall: ok that might work
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3145[21:14:19] <petn-randall> marioxcc: And it's a serious answer. :)
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3147[21:14:37] <petn-randall> marioxcc: Maybe there's a client that directly accesses the API? That might work without JS.
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3149[21:15:23] <kitto> petn-randall: replaced-url
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3154[21:16:25] <petn-randall> ,v nfs-common
3155[21:16:26] <judd> Package: nfs-common on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:1.2.2-4squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 1:1.2.2-4squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.2.5-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.2.6-4; stretch: 1:1.2.8-9; sid: 1:1.2.8-9; jessie: 1:1.2.8-9
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3158[21:17:39] <petn-randall> kitto: Can you show the output of 'apt-cache policy nfs-common'?
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3160[21:17:56] <kitto> petn-randall: okay
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3164[21:19:07] <kitto> petn-randall: replaced-url
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3167[21:20:07] <boubou> hey guys
3168[21:20:08] <petn-randall> kitto: 'apt-get install -f'?
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3170[21:20:30] <boubou> with Debian Jessie, it looks like the disk arent listed in snmp
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3172[21:21:00] <boubou> I cant monitor disk using snmp
3173[21:21:05] <boubou> on centos, it works good
3174[21:21:18] <kitto> petn-randall: replaced-url
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3178[21:21:59] <petn-randall> kitto: If you specifically run 'apt-get install nfs-common', what happens?
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3183[21:23:05] <kitto> petn-randall: says broken packages
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3188[21:23:55] <petn-randall> kitto: Can you give me the full output please?
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3191[21:24:51] <kitto> petn-randall: replaced-url
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3197[21:27:28] <petn-randall> kitto: Run 'apt-get install libc6-dev', and if it has unmet dependencies, follow up the chain until there's a different message.
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3201[21:27:48] <kitto> petn-randall: ok
3202[21:27:48] <petn-randall> kitto: But my gut feeling says that someone at gnewsense screwed up something in the repo.
3203[21:28:21] <petn-randall> kitto: I'll be gone for a while but back later. You can either ask the channel with follow-ups, or wait until I'm back.
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3207[21:29:10] <kitto> petn-randall: ok I'll wait you're helping me out a lot. more than I could say about gnewsense's IRC
3208[21:29:28] <kitto> it's pretty much dead over there.
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3215[21:30:32] <petn-randall> kitto: Debian might be a more appropriate distro then ;). I'm not really sure what the difference is between gnewsense and Debian stable when you exclude contrib and non-free.
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3218[21:31:21] <kitto> petn-randall: I'm a paranoid kind of person don't trust any corporation or program associated with it. For privacy reasons and uses.
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3221[21:31:36] <kitto> I have debian on another pc this is my personal private laptop
3222[21:32:28] <kitto> I teach and converse with people about a lot of conspiracies even shady ones that don't agree well with alternative media.
3223[21:33:25] <kitto> a lot of in depth stuff that the media in general won't touch.
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3225[21:33:47] <kitto> that's my reasoning for having gnewsense
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3295[22:08:34] <sm00th> now its just not working and I don't know hwy its like something doesn'tw ant me to make a chromium profile
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3338[22:36:54] <awwal> Any suggestion for create a correct unit service for qingy?
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3340[22:37:45] <ryan-c> why do i have to use expert install to be allowed to use UTC as my timezone?
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3355[22:44:13] <awwal> ryan-c, you can make a starndard install and when finished, use timedatectl for set your system time in utc
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3361[22:49:12] <ryan-c> awwal: I know, it's just stupid and annoying that I can't at install time.
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3369[22:51:36] <awwal> ryan-c, dual booting with windows there?
3370[22:51:45] <ryan-c> no
3371[22:51:53] <ryan-c> It's a server
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3374[22:52:14] <awwal> check bios
3375[22:52:27] <ryan-c> awwal: it's a vm
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3377[22:52:42] <ryan-c> i don't know why that would matter though
3378[22:52:47] <awwal> virtualbox?
3379[22:52:56] <ryan-c> esxi
3380[22:53:03] <awwal> ?
3381[22:53:11] <ryan-c> why would that change whether the installer offers UTC at install time?
3382[22:53:25] <awwal> whats esxi
3383[22:53:33] <ryan-c> vmware esxi
3384[22:53:40] <awwal> no clue so
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3386[22:54:14] <awwal> if it where virtualbox, just edit the vm settings and set time to utc then the vm will use utc just fine
3387[22:54:23] <ryan-c> I'm just complaining about whoever's stupid decision it was to not offer UTC during a standard install, and wondering what insane justification there was for that.
3388[22:54:24] <awwal> no clue about esxi
3389[22:54:57] <ryan-c> awwal: the vm settings don't change what the guest os thinks the time zone is
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3391[22:56:43] <awwal> ryan-c, with virtualbox all fine. set time to utc in vm settings and then the vm guest uses utc
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3393[22:57:12] <awwal> I just checked that in my jessie vm (timedatectl status)
3394[22:57:48] <ryan-c> awwal: okay, that may be true, but is totally irrelevant to my complain
3395[22:57:58] <awwal> Universal time: sáb 2016-06-18 20:55:19 UTC
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3398[22:58:09] <awwal> RTC in local TZ: no
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3400[22:59:07] <teraflops> awwal: are you in spain? :P
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3402[22:59:43] <awwal> teraflops, no
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3407[23:00:58] <awwal> canada but I have used es_ES for locales during install
3408[23:01:07] <awwal> will have to configure that
3409[23:01:38] <awwal> its just a vm for test stuff, so i dont care
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3420[23:10:09] <magyar> hi, how do I change run levels in systemd?
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3425[23:11:13] <teraflops> magyar: there are no runlevels in systemd
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3435[23:16:51] <PryMar56> magyar, change default.target, say from graphical to multi-user
3436[23:17:05] <PryMar56> runlevel goes from 5->3
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3447[23:20:58] <TheQuestionmark> Err... you know, I give up.
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3449[23:21:20] <TheQuestionmark> I just do a fresh Debian install tomorrow.
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3452[23:22:05] <TheQuestionmark> Can I take over my encrypted home partition without to make any fancy commands?
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3503[23:41:22] <toad_> when I upgraded to firefox-esr rather than iceweasel, all sorts of stuff with video started working e.g. guardian, facebook, including facebook live ... is this actually html5, or is it possible i still have flash installed somehow? it doesn't show up in the list of add-ons in the browser...???
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3509[23:43:22] <somiaj> toad_: many places have switched to html5, so it could be either. flash is not an add-on, but a plugin, about:plugins should show the plugins that are being used
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3518[23:46:19] <teraflops> toad_: you can always do right click over the video …
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3538[23:57:42] <p---o> Will the iceweasel package be replaced soon? I had to manually install firefox-esr
3539[23:57:50] <p---o> figured it would remove iceweasel and install that
3540[23:58:06] <p---o> with apt-get update
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