• 0[00:00:48] <awwal> axc1298, your processor can be 64 compatible even if it have only 2 gb ram
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• 7[00:02:06] <teraflops> hmm remember cmd.txt was ro when I dealt wit my old pi b+
• 8[00:02:07] <awwal> 32 bit is everyday more "obsolete"
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• 11[00:02:24] <thursdaylark> teraflops: *shrug*
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• 15[00:03:45] <teraflops> I barely remember my breakfast so I guess I could be wrong
• 16[00:03:50] <jhutchins> awwal: The DEs might have monitor configuration in their control panels.
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• 19[00:04:47] <thursdaylark> teraflops: I mean, maybe it was at one point, but it's been rw since I've worked with these rpi 2's
• 20[00:05:05] <teraflops> oh
• 21[00:05:30] <axc1298> awwal: i know that my processor is 64-bit compatible. that wasn't the question
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• 28[00:06:17] <axc1298> but thanks
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• 31[00:07:18] <awwal> jhutchins, other WM and DE use the whole resolution. Seems that startx (xinitrc exec /usr/bin/icewm) doesn't start icewm well, I may have to use "icewm-session" instead of icewm
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• 37[00:08:45] <awwal> axc1298, I have both arch and both processors and 64 b is faster in all sides. but thats your machine, you do what you want
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• 58[00:19:02] <well_laid_lawn> thursdaylark: glad you have it sorted
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• 63[00:22:55] <fredl> hi guys, having some difficulties with exim. I saw no files in /etc/exim4/conf.d/* after a bit of a botched upgrade from wheezy to jessie, so I removed exim4-config with dpkg -r --force-depends exim4-config amd reinstalled it, but I still don't see any files in /etc/exim4/conf.d
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• 65[00:23:37] <fredl> do I no longer need /etc/exim4/conf.d/* files or something??
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• 70[00:28:44] <__CoolGuy> Hi
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• 72[00:29:04] <__CoolGuy> I have a problem with the sound.
• 73[00:29:16] <__CoolGuy> It's not working.
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• 75[00:29:50] <fredl> your speakers are on and connected properly?
• 76[00:30:17] <fredl> Do you also have another OS installed and do they work properly there?
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• 78[00:30:52] <__CoolGuy> I'm gonna try another.
• 79[00:31:02] <fredl> 'try another' ?
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• 81[00:31:20] <__CoolGuy> OS
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• 83[00:31:39] <fredl> ok
• 84[00:31:40] <__CoolGuy> wait a minute
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• 105[00:43:19] <__CoolGuy> It works on Kali
• 106[00:43:33] <__CoolGuy> The audio
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• 108[00:44:24] <__CoolGuy> Also the applet doesn't show on the top bar
• 109[00:44:35] <__CoolGuy> alsamixer
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• 117[00:46:12] <DUKENUKEM> yo guys im trying to find the package to this kernel version but i cant find it anywhere
• 118[00:46:19] <DUKENUKEM> 3.16.0-4 3.16.7-ckt11-1 (2015-05-24) from the uname
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• 120[00:46:52] <nacc> DUKENUKEM: why?
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• 124[00:47:24] <DUKENUKEM> actually im looking for the debug symbols to that, but the box doesnt have internet access right now so i want to get it on my local box here
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• 130[00:48:11] <somiaj> DUKENUKEM: linux-image-amd64 (if on amd64 arch)
• 131[00:48:22] <DUKENUKEM> i need that specific kernel image
• 132[00:48:24] <DUKENUKEM> with debug symbols
• 133[00:48:28] <DUKENUKEM> -dbgsym
• 134[00:48:30] <DUKENUKEM> is the package
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• 136[00:48:39] <somiaj> DUKENUKEM: acutally that is the meta package, it will be linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
• 137[00:48:48] <DUKENUKEM> ahhhh
• 138[00:48:48] <DUKENUKEM> ok
• 139[00:48:51] <DUKENUKEM> thank you!
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• 155[00:52:21] <__CoolGuy> I'm using Debian xfce Jessie and there is no sound.
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• 163[00:53:43] <SuperTramp831> __CoolGuy: Stable?
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• 166[00:54:06] <__CoolGuy> superTramp831: Yes
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• 168[00:54:47] <SuperTramp831> Yeah, bug confirmed on several machines - I solved it by purging pulseaudio
• 169[00:54:55] <SuperTramp831> You need not to though
• 170[00:55:02] <SuperTramp831> install pavucontol
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• 172[00:55:10] <SuperTramp831> *pavucontrol
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• 175[00:55:54] <__CoolGuy> Ok, I'm gonna see what happens
• 176[00:56:29] <SuperTramp831> just unmute it there
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• 198[01:03:00] <__CoolGuy> It's still not working.
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• 257[01:21:07] <cliluw> What happened to the "-m multiple binary" option for dh_make?
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• 260[01:22:04] <somiaj> cliluw: in what version of debian?
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• 262[01:22:31] <cliluw> I'm using Ubuntu 16.04, dh_make version 2016.04. The multiple binary option seems to have disappeared.
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• 264[01:23:15] <somiaj> cliluw: go look at the change logs. The version in debian jessie still has it.
• 265[01:23:38] <cliluw> somiaj: Thanks for checking.
• 266[01:24:36] <somiaj> ,v dh-make
• 267[01:24:37] <judd> Package: dh-make on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.55; wheezy: 0.61; jessie: 1.20140617; jessie-backports: 2.201606~bpo8+1; sid: 2.201606; stretch: 2.201606
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• 270[01:25:56] <somiaj> cliluw: the change logs I see online seem to only be debian change logs, unsure if the actual source has another change log that will explain when/why this option was dropped. I would look at the source package or /usr/share/doc/dh-make and see if there is a change log that explains this abi change.
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• 273[01:26:29] <cliluw> somiaj: Google did not find anything for me either.
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• 280[01:29:41] <cliluw> somiaj: The change log at /usr/share/doc/dh-make/changelog.gz shows the change but there's no rhyme or reason for it. There's also no bug that it closes.
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• 282[01:29:45] <somiaj> cliluw: here it is, in version 0.61 in the changelog,
• 283[01:29:50] <somiaj> cliluw: "Add --packageclass,-C option to set class instead of -s,-i,-m etc"
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• 288[01:30:46] <cliluw> somiaj: One change later on at 2.201602 says "Dropped multi package class, use --docs to get docs package".
• 289[01:30:53] <somiaj> cliluw: and the manpage at the top talks about the different package class (one being single binary the other being a libary, so the funtionality is still there)
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• 292[01:31:30] <somiaj> cliluw: oh nevermind, libary might be different then multi-libary
• 293[01:31:34] <somiaj> arb multibainary
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• 298[01:33:50] <somiaj> cliluw: maybe someone in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net knows why they dropped the multi-binary part.
• 299[01:35:29] <cliluw> somiaj: I'm guessing the reasoning is that people that create multipackages are smart enough to not need help from dh_make.
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• 304[01:36:19] <wald0> this is mostly curiosity, but why debian still using a 3.16 kernel since there's 4.x (stable) ones ?
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• 307[01:36:38] <cliluw> somiaj: Thanks for all the help. I did not know that I could find changelogs in /usr/share/doc/.
• 308[01:37:47] <somiaj> wald0: debian stable is a frozen system. As such debian will not change the versions during a release (with few execeptions)
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• 310[01:38:42] <somiaj> wald0: because debian has ensured that all the packages work together upgrading one package cna break things, and debian does not want to do this. Instead debain will ensure that the 3.16 kernel is secure and will sometimes backport driver support to it. It is suggested you use the offical kernel with debian as it is known to work well with all the other software in debian.
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• 314[01:39:27] <somiaj> wald0: On the other hand, kernels are something that provide newer hardware support. Debian provides newer kernels in jessie-backports if they are needed. Note these kernels are not nearly as well tested as the 3.16 kernel and do not get as quick (though they do get it) security fixes.
• 315[01:39:51] <somiaj> wald0: and 3.16 kernel was the kernel around at the time jessie 'froze'
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• 319[01:40:45] <wald0> somiaj: yeah, but there's no newer versions on testing or unstable too, at least listed on packages.debian.org
• 320[01:40:59] <somiaj> ,kernels
• 321[01:41:00] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-trunk-686 (4.6-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.5.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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• 323[01:41:36] <somiaj> wald0: 4.6 is avaiable for both testing and unstable, and 4.5 is backported for jessie in jessie-backports. Soon 4.6 will be in jessie-backports for jessie users who want a newer kernel
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• 329[01:45:11] <glassresistor> so I
• 330[01:45:58] <wald0> oh, i see...
• 331[01:46:05] <glassresistor> 've been trying without success to get jessie to boot with uefi, I had it working but I accidentally cleared my bios
• 332[01:46:22] <wald0> i just typed packages.debian.org/linux-image in the browser and it didn't appear as a result at all, only 3.16
• 333[01:46:27] <glassresistor> I'm pretty sure everything on the harddrive is fine but I can
• 334[01:46:28] <wald0> but it appears using linux-image-4
• 335[01:47:02] <glassresistor> 't get it to add the debian boot option back into the bios/uefi
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• 337[01:47:26] <somiaj> glassresistor: before it didn't boot, did you have debian installed and sucessfully booting off of efi?
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• 340[01:47:37] <markybob> wald0: but more specific. like replaced-url
• 341[01:47:50] <glassresistor> somiaj: yeah it was working great and boot off efi but i cleared the bios
• 342[01:48:23] <glassresistor> somiaj: so i think i don't even have to reinstall grub but just add the option back to the efi layer
• 343[01:48:28] <somiaj> glassresistor: this may be dependent on the bios. On my efi bios I have an option that I can browse efi partitions, and though the bios I can browse my efi partition and point it at the grub.efi file to get it to boot.
• 344[01:48:43] <glassresistor> i can add a boot option in bios
• 345[01:48:53] <nahdude> People that have something to say in the project, please do not replace iceweasel with firefox, at least make firefox only an additional browser.
• 346[01:49:00] <glassresistor> somiaj: yeah i think i can do that but i dont see any options there
• 347[01:49:15] <somiaj> glassresistor: it might depend on the efi firmware you have. If you don't have an option to browse it, you may have to let the os do this (some efi firmware don't allow this and want the os to talk to tie)
• 348[01:49:34] <somiaj> glassresistor: in that case you'll have basiclaly reinstall grub in the efi partition and let it tell the bios it is there.
• 349[01:49:41] <nahdude> the first time I tried debian I was upset that there was no FF, but then all of the sudden this snowball started and I somehow dislike what FF is doing lately, do not give in and keep iceweasel
• 350[01:49:43] <glassresistor> somiaj: its a dell xps 13 developer edition
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• 352[01:50:03] <somiaj> glassresistor: on my firmware it is a filemanager, that I can just browse in a few directorys, it was like debian/grub.efi on my system.
• 353[01:50:04] <glassresistor> somiaj: i've been trying to do that but it keeps saying stuff like
• 354[01:50:07] <glassresistor> "can
• 355[01:50:34] <glassresistor> "can't write to the super block" or "doesn't look like an efi partition"
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• 357[01:50:56] <somiaj> nahdude: there is bassically no difference between FF and iceweasel (except for the branding). Note iceweasel uses firefox-esr and there can be a difference between firefox and firefox-esr
• 358[01:51:16] <somiaj> glassresistor: if it isn't detcting the efi partition correctly I'm unsure what to do
• 359[01:51:33] <glassresistor> somiaj: so my hard drive has sda1,2,3 3 is an encrypted luks partition, 2 has grub and boot images, and 1 is a vfat partition that i can't mount
• 360[01:51:49] <nahdude> somiaj noted, but I like the iceweasel approach you had, I understand now.
• 361[01:52:00] <somiaj> glassresistor: efi needs to be fat16 not vfat. Is your efi partition inside your luks partition?
• 362[01:52:16] <glassresistor> somiaj: im a bit unsure which is the efi partition, is it the one with grub on it or sda1 whichis vfat but i can't mount
• 363[01:52:18] <somiaj> nahdude: debian is still using the firefox-esr version, it just now has the firefox logos again.
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• 366[01:52:42] <somiaj> glassresistor: it will be the one with 'grub' in it, and it needs to be a fat16 partition (not vfat)
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• 368[01:52:59] <nahdude> somiaj alright, damnit. Why is my world so blue. Well, I'll find out
• 369[01:53:06] <glassresistor> somiaj: hum one sec im gonna boot it again and show you what i see
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• 371[01:53:24] <somiaj> glassresistor: though with efi grub is not 'in a partitoin', grub just copies an .efi file onto the efi partiton (this is different than legacy boot where grub is written into the mbr of a partition)
• 372[01:53:56] <somiaj> nahdude: if you really care, there was some group of third party people who don't want to see iceweasel die and are doing the branding on their own. This is not offically part of debian anymore
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• 375[01:54:47] <nahdude> somiaj actually I do care, I am just not using a debian machine right now, so I doubt I'd be of help right now
• 376[01:55:12] <wald0> somiaj: the strange thing about the results is that you don't know that there's more packages, it just list some of them, on my case i didn't know that there was 4.x kernels available for this search :)
• 377[01:55:54] <nahdude> currently rearranging all OSs again, but that's a different story. I just needed to vent that I like iceweasel more than FF
• 378[01:56:05] <somiaj> nahdude: I don't have the link handy, but I saw someone point out that some third party group is saying they will continue to rebrand firefox as iceweasel
• 379[01:56:18] <somiaj> nahdude: there is also the gnucat rebranding out there too. Neither of which will be provided by debian.
• 380[01:56:38] <nahdude> somiaj thank you for educating me
• 381[01:56:55] <nahdude> I will look into it and will talk to them asap
• 382[01:57:33] <nahdude> But for now I'm outta here again, see ya and have a nice day, people :)
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• 393[01:59:44] <glassresistor> somiaj: my system also has legacy boot, is it possible to switch to doing legacy boot instead of uefi just be reinstalling grub?
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• 396[02:01:22] <glassresistor> somiaj: so im opening up the rescue mode and would love some help
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• 410[02:10:00] <glassresistor> does anyone know of a way of backing up a root partition then installing debian and after its working and booting rsyncing all of the files back to the root partition
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• 425[02:16:59] <CoJaBo> glassresistor: like, /home/ ?
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• 427[02:18:08] <wald0> i dont understand what's the difference between backports and backports-sloppy, what is sloppy ?
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• 432[02:19:20] <markybob> wald0: replaced-url
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• 436[02:23:35] <wald0> markybob: thanks but that is what exactly i just readed and got confused :)
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• 438[02:24:39] <wald0> im confused... wheezy-backports-sloppy is equivalent to "jessie backports" onto wheezy ?
• 439[02:25:17] <markybob> wald0: right
• 440[02:25:53] <markybob> for what can be backported anyway. not as much as jessie-backports
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• 444[02:28:51] <wald0> ok so... then is a good idea to have both jessie-backports and jessie-backports-sloppy on my sources.list, right ?
• 445[02:29:09] <wald0> (to be more precise: more updated backported packages available)
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• 461[02:38:00] <wald0> is there any planned release date for the next stable or stills the "when its ready" philosophy ?
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• 463[02:38:32] <markybob> wald0: spring 2017
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• 467[02:40:01] <glassresistor> anyone think they can help me use parted to fix my efi partition
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• 469[02:41:22] <wald0> ah, nice :)
• 470[02:41:58] <wald0> glassresistor: theres a tool called gpart that scans for lost partitions, iirc
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• 476[02:45:30] <awwal> I have apt-listchanges installed but no changes are shown when upgrading. Which file I have to edit exactly for get changelogs and news when upgrading?
• 477[02:45:51] <awwal> I have done it one time months ago but I no remember :P
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• 484[02:49:00] <somiaj> glassresistor: /msg dpkg fixmbr (yes if you boot in legacy mode you can just use legacy boot and reinstall grub into the mbr has described in that factiod)
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• 491[02:51:34] <Angelicaa> hey everybody!
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• 499[02:54:26] <sm00th> hello all, I tried to make an encrypted swap during install but getting an error at boot.
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• 501[02:54:46] <sm00th> mkswap[355]: mkswap: error: /dev/mapper/sda7_crypt is mounted; will not make swapspace
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• 503[02:55:05] <sm00th> systemd-cryptsetup[352]: Volume sda7_crypt already active
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• 505[02:56:00] <sm00th> swapon -s shows me: /dev/dm-1 partition 6288380 0 -1
• 506[02:56:09] <awwal> ok, I think I get if setting up /etc/apt/listchanges.conf file as follow replaced-url
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• 508[02:56:39] <sm00th> should I just ignore the message?
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• 513[02:59:22] <glassresistor> somiaj: so even though i originally installed with efi boot i can boot in legacy mode and setup mbr even though my luks root is on sda3?
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• 535[03:06:35] <sm00th> I think my issue might be related to this replaced-url
• 536[03:06:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 538[03:07:22] <sm00th> systemd-cryptsetup[358]: Failed to deactivate: Device or resource busy
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• 541[03:08:04] <sm00th> ^ that precedes the other errors. but prior to all that it looks like it loads correctly.
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• 543[03:08:37] <somiaj> glassresistor: you'll put the grub on the mbr of the disk, not partition, you will need /boot to be visable to grub, and you will have to install grub-pc (you may only have grub-efi installed)
• 544[03:08:47] <sm00th> tarting Cryptography Setup for sda7_crypt.. Activated swap /dev/mapper/sda7_crypt.
• 545[03:08:47] <sm00th> Starting Swap.
• 546[03:08:47] <sm00th> Reached target Swap.
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• 549[03:09:54] <sm00th> safe to just ignore the errors then?
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• 560[03:14:31] <sm00th> I probably should of made the encrypted swap after installing and not during the install
• 561[03:14:42] <sm00th> ?
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• 566[03:18:00] <sm00th> ya must be some bug, systemd keep trying to make the swap even though its already made.
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• 575[03:21:17] <sm00th> I think i fixed the issue. I uncommented out the swap line in fstab
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• 577[03:22:23] <sm00th> ah but now i have no swap lol
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• 583[03:25:14] <upgrador> Hello all. I have a web server still running wheezy, with nginx, MySQL, all that good stuff. Barring unexpected bugs, what bad could happen from a dist-upgrade?
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• 587[03:27:39] <sm00th> probably this bug replaced-url
• 588[03:27:42] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 593[03:29:31] <aceventura> does anyone know why the menu item font size is so tiny in libreoffice writer
• 594[03:29:39] <upgrador> That bug says it's fixed?
• 595[03:29:53] <aceventura> this only seems to be a problem on the debian distribution
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• 607[03:35:44] <aceventura> does anyone use debian anymore
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• 610[03:37:14] <upgrador> I do...
• 611[03:37:39] <aceventura> well how do you see the menu item choices in libreoffice writer without a microscope
• 612[03:37:56] <aceventura> the font size must be 4
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• 615[03:39:41] <aceventura> upgrador..do you have an electron microscope with quantum tunneling to help you read the menu item choices in libreoffice writer
• 616[03:40:52] <upgrador> I don't have my GUI environment handy, most I work CLI, right now backing up for a dust-upgrade from my iPad, but may I suggest installing a magnifying glass app to look through the menus for options?
• 617[03:41:08] <upgrador> Or perhaps your desktop manager is in charge of those settings?
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• 619[03:41:38] <aceventura> upgrador...well i don't see any options to set the font size for the menu items in libreoffice writer anywhere.
• 620[03:41:40] <GJdan> I also run debian headless... If I had to guess it might be some gtk configuration though
• 621[03:41:44] <sm00th> well I dunno what I did but this time it booted with no errors on the swap
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• 624[03:42:18] <aceventura> Gjdan...does libreoffice use gtk
• 625[03:42:19] <sm00th> i basically tried to add the uuid to fstab instead. but that didn't work. got failed header something... so then put it back to /dev/sda7 rebooted, no errors and swap is on. so I dunno...
• 626[03:42:35] <sm00th> as long as the errors are gone
• 627[03:42:36] <GJdan> I believe so... though I've been wrong before
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• 629[03:43:09] <aceventura> Gjdan...well i don't see where to set the fonts for gtk pertaining to libreoffice...the rest of the gui font size seems ok
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• 631[03:43:47] <sm00th> /msg somiaj its me please don't tell anyone, although i guess its pretty obvious anyways :(
• 632[03:43:52] <sm00th> hahah
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• 634[03:44:05] <aceventura> Gjdan i wonder why the menu items font size seems ok in many other distros
• 635[03:44:17] <aceventura> Gjdan but not in debian
• 636[03:45:05] <LtL> aceventura: libreoffice writer menu fonts are fine here
• 637[03:45:29] <aceventura> LtL...well they sure are not fine here....they are about a 4 instead of an 11 or 12
• 638[03:46:00] <aceventura> LtL..and i dont' see any debian configuration option for libreoffice
• 639[03:46:09] <sm00th> I notice i get smaller fonts when using opensource driver vs the prop ones.
• 640[03:46:27] <sm00th> in the terminal i notice it though not sure about libreoffice
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• 645[03:47:23] <aceventura> smOOth...well the typing is ok....but the drop down menu lists are very tiny and across the menu bar
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• 650[03:48:09] <aceventura> smOOth..i don't see that problem with any free source drivers on other distros
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• 652[03:48:25] <sm00th> me neither, maybe its in my head.
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• 655[03:48:49] <aceventura> smOOth..does debian install the freefonts2 package for X
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• 658[03:48:58] <sm00th> dunno
• 659[03:49:09] <aceventura> smOOth and does libreoffice make use of the freefonts2 package for x
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• 661[03:49:16] <sm00th> no clue
• 662[03:49:21] <awwal> Should I really put !#/bin/sh in startup files (for WM's)?
• 663[03:49:34] <sm00th> i'm not seeing the issue you referring though. I opened up libreoffice writer and clicked a top drop down menu
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• 665[03:49:43] <sm00th> I'm on kde
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• 667[03:50:03] <aceventura> smOOth...and when you did were the choices in the drop down menu very tiny
• 668[03:50:10] <sm00th> no
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• 670[03:50:18] <LtL> awwal: it's #!/bin/sh
• 671[03:50:19] <somiaj> awwal: it is #!/bin/sh and you should probabaly use #!/bin/bash otherwise the shell will be run in dash
• 672[03:50:23] <aceventura> smOOth...well maybe cause you are using kde
• 673[03:50:30] <aceventura> smOOth...i am using mate
• 674[03:50:39] <sm00th> sm00th, i went to file, edit, etc.. looks normal.
• 675[03:50:46] <somiaj> awwal: but this is only for scripts which are executed with a +x bit, files that are read, like .xsession won't do much with this
• 676[03:50:59] <aceventura> smOOth..well i guess it must be written for kde only then
• 677[03:51:03] <sm00th> maybe there is a setting for that in mate
• 678[03:51:25] <aceventura> smOOth..no i don't see anything pertaining to libreoffice settings
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• 680[03:51:39] <sm00th> so it only happens in libreoffice not in other programs?
• 681[03:51:51] <glassresistor> so i haven't been having any luck rebuilding grub with uefi or legacy and have a feeling something got messed up and i dont have the skills to deal with it
• 682[03:51:54] <aceventura> smOOth...no it is not a problem in other programs
• 683[03:52:01] <glassresistor> if i make a disk image of the
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• 685[03:52:07] <somiaj> aceventura: maybe try the libreoffice-gtk package to use the gtk widigit set instead of its internal one
• 686[03:52:20] <aceventura> smOOth....well i will try that
• 687[03:52:28] <aceventura> but i don't have much space to try anything
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• 689[03:53:02] <aceventura> i only have 6gigs space and it is almost used up with a basic debian stretch distro
• 690[03:53:13] <glassresistor> encrypted luks drive which is my root partition and then install debian jessie again with another encrypted harddrive then restore my image to the new root partition will that work?
• 691[03:53:32] <somiaj> aceventura: have you isntalled a lot of packages, try apt-get clean and that should clear up the downlaoded debs.
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• 693[03:54:14] <sm00th> and autoremove and remove old kernels maybe?
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• 696[03:55:24] <awwal> Ltl, somiaj, ok #!/bin/sh or bash. I dont see that #!/bin/sh is debian wiki entries but I see it in arch and ubuntu ones. so confused. It's just for start some apps with openbox, fluxbox and icewm. So necessary to put #!/bin/bash or sh ? and preferably sh or bash ?
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• 698[03:55:34] <awwal> I have no much clue about shell's :D
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• 700[03:56:16] <aceventura> somiaj...i already cleared out everything i could
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• 704[03:56:34] <aceventura> somiaj...there just is not even enough space for kernel-package
• 705[03:56:39] <markybob> awwal: sh in debian is dash, not bash. so it makes a differnece
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• 708[03:57:49] <awwal> markybob, being sincer, no clue here
• 709[03:57:54] <somiaj> aceventura: If you install multiple desktops it can start to use a lot of space, you can remove the ones you are not using. But I think you will have to be a bit picky about what you install and use with only 6gigs
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• 712[03:58:11] <aceventura> somiaj..maybe i should have removed libreoffice before installing libreoffice gtk...but i thought it might just write over the other files
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• 714[03:58:24] <aceventura> somiaj..no i only use one desktop
• 715[03:58:36] <somiaj> aceventura: I'm unsure how much overlap there is, maybe you can clear up some space that way
• 716[03:58:39] <markybob> awwal: the simple answer is you're probably fine with sh (dash).
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• 721[03:59:02] <somiaj> aceventura: you can also try to track down what is taking up space, it may not be the rrograms but something else
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• 724[03:59:14] <aceventura> somiaj..there just isn't that much space to work with because the basic debian distro takes up nearly 6gigs
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• 727[03:59:48] <awwal> markybob, ok, I wil continue learning about it :P
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• 729[03:59:54] <somiaj> awwal: /bin/sh is a generic shell that points to differnt shells on different oses/distros. In debian it points to dash. So if you are expecting a script to run with bash but run it with dash there ould be differences.
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• 731[03:59:57] <aceventura> somiaj...no there isn't anything i can think of...i cleared all the browser directories and the other directories i dont' use
• 732[04:00:08] <somiaj> awwal: su people use /bin/sh to be generic, but I think it is better to give the actual shell you want to use
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• 734[04:00:29] <aceventura> it is very difficult to run a small debian on 6 gigs
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• 737[04:01:02] <somiaj> aceventura: depends on ones needs.
• 738[04:01:11] <somiaj> aceventura: but gui apps can add up
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• 742[04:02:13] <awwal> somiaj, ok. I think I understand better now. so seems that it's better to use bash
• 743[04:02:21] <awwal> thanks guys
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• 745[04:03:14] <markybob> awwal: dash is faster, btw. that's why debian switched to it for scripts. bash just has more bells and things which generally arent needed by scripts
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• 748[04:04:05] <aceventura> somiaj..yep the libreoffice-gtk sure did fix the menu items
• 749[04:04:07] <awwal> markybob, so more confused I'm now , hehehe
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• 751[04:04:15] <awwal> somiaj vs markybob :P
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• 753[04:04:21] <aceventura> somiaj...i would have never thought of that
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• 755[04:04:39] <aceventura> somiaj..i did not even know there was a special gtk version
• 756[04:05:34] <aceventura> somiaj..that was a very insightful recommendation
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• 762[04:06:48] <aceventura> somiaj...but it is just too bad i can't really check any debian packages because i dont' have room to even work with them..such as kernel-package
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• 765[04:07:15] <somiaj> kernel-package really isn't needed, you can use the mainline kernels make files to build deb packages and don't need an additional tool
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• 767[04:07:46] <aceventura> somiaj..no i need to work on the kernel all the time..that is one reason i wish i had room for kernel-package
• 768[04:08:23] <aceventura> somiaj...but i did manage an external ext4 usbstick for the old make xconfig approach
• 769[04:08:33] <markybob> he's talking about make deb-pkg
• 770[04:08:51] <somiaj> aceventura: make deb-pkg, you don't need additional tools (except the standard debian building tools) to make a kernel .deb
• 771[04:08:53] <aceventura> somiaj..however i am not sure initramfs will work with a kernel build on an external ext4 usbstick
• 772[04:09:34] <aceventura> somiaj..no it is not to make a package but to automate the kernel building and initramfs and lilo processes
• 773[04:09:37] <awwal> somiaj, icewm wiki says that the startup should be an executable being to be read by icewm session. So #!/bin/bash is required here after making the file executable (chmod +x ~/.icewm/startup). correct eh?
• 774[04:09:52] <markybob> you're seriously using lilo?
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• 777[04:10:16] <aceventura> markybob...damn right
• 778[04:10:41] <aceventura> i can't get that fuckin grub to work on anything or any distro
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• 780[04:10:57] <awwal> I think all is fine. thanks somiaj, Ltl, markybob :)
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• 783[04:12:07] <aceventura> markybob..they screwed grub to the max when they went to version 2
• 784[04:12:25] <markybob> aceventura: works here fine
• 785[04:12:38] <k_sze[work]> Is `dpkg-reconfigure locales` really just a wrapper around `locale-gen` and `update-locale`?
• 786[04:12:42] <aceventura> markybob...well i dont' see how...are you using initramfs
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• 790[04:13:21] <aceventura> markybob...are you using initramfs
• 791[04:13:41] <markybob> aceventura: you dont see how it works for millions of people? it just does. that's why it's default. yes
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• 795[04:14:26] <aceventura> markybob...well i never could get grub to recognize and install for several root partitions and allow initramfs to work also
• 796[04:14:38] <aceventura> markybob...and i don't believe it works for anyone
• 797[04:14:43] <sm00th> I think there is problems with uefi sometimes for some people.
• 798[04:15:22] <aceventura> smOOth..fuck UEFI...that is out of the question...only a moron would restrict their control over their equipment with that crap
• 799[04:15:30] <sm00th> yikes!
• 800[04:15:53] <aceventura> smOOth...do you want someone else controlling your hardware
• 801[04:15:59] <markybob> or someone who buys a computer today
• 802[04:15:59] <somiaj> lets keep it on topic.
• 803[04:16:09] <sm00th> I think secure boot is good, although there is theory gov't or manufacture could put backdoor
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• 805[04:17:03] <aceventura> smOOth...it is not a backdoor issue...it is the sons of bitches that design OS's that try to take away the owners right to control their own hardware
• 806[04:17:16] <sm00th> aceventura, most boards you can turn secure boot off
• 807[04:17:27] <sm00th> some you can make your own custom keys.
• 808[04:17:40] <aceventura> smOOth...yes but with whose approval
• 809[04:17:53] <aceventura> smOOth...who is the key authoritarian
• 810[04:18:03] <sm00th> you in that case
• 811[04:18:09] <aceventura> smOOth..that is a damn lie
• 812[04:18:14] <sm00th> huh?
• 813[04:18:19] <aceventura> smOOth..you better look up how keys work
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• 815[04:18:24] <somiaj> aceventura, sm00th: please keep it on topic.
• 816[04:18:32] <sm00th> umm
• 817[04:18:47] <sm00th> aceventura, you don't nescessarily need to use ms keys
• 818[04:18:53] <sm00th> depending on the board
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• 821[04:19:16] <sm00th> gentoo has a guide on how to do that.
• 822[04:19:28] <aceventura> smOOth..yea there we go...i figured M$ would show up sooner or later in this discussion of keys
• 823[04:19:39] <sm00th> aceventura, well its obvious that is what you are implying lol
• 824[04:19:43] <somiaj> again please keep it on topic, no need to convience each other to use or not use efi, one should be free to use the hardware they choose
• 825[04:19:43] <markybob> just in case you didn't know... somiaj is an op. when he tells you to stay on topic and move on i'd listen.
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• 827[04:20:12] <sm00th> somiaj, i thought it a good discussion cause some people have a wrong idea.
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• 830[04:20:29] <aceventura> markybob...i don't give a damn about some pissant operator...i am a fuckin Dr...not a stupid worthless nigger
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• 833[04:20:46] <sm00th> MS require their keys to be on the board if they advertise with their logo, but i would blame manufacturer for not letting you turn it off or use your own custom keys.
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• 835[04:20:48] *** aceventura was kicked by somiaj (you should know better)
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• 837[04:20:51] <markybob> okay. now you're on /ignore
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• 840[04:21:01] <markybob> somiaj: thanks
• 841[04:21:04] <sm00th> yikes
• 842[04:21:16] <sm00th> seemed like a touchy subject for him
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• 878[04:41:06] <kcirick> jmcnaught: Hello
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• 883[04:44:43] <siloxid> does anyone know how to make an asus C100P chromebook boot from a debian USB stick? I set crossystem dev_boot_usb=1 and crossystem dev_boot_signed_only=0 but it beeps when I try to boot from the stick
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• 891[04:53:21] <jmcnaught> kcirick: hey
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• 896[04:55:41] <kcirick> jmcnaught: I recompiled the kernel with bluetooth modules as built-in, then I don't have to manually start the service in rc.local
• 897[04:55:53] <kcirick> jmcnaught: I'm not sure if you remember it from last night
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• 899[04:56:28] <jmcnaught> kcirick: oh yeah. do you think that will help?
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• 902[04:57:06] <jmcnaught> it was my impression that some udev magic should have been starting bluetooth.target which in turn would start bluetooth.service.
• 903[04:57:13] <kcirick> jmcnaught: yes, I just did and it works well. I think the original problem was that modules weren't loading automatically
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• 906[04:57:45] <jmcnaught> kcirick: did you try listing the modules in /etc/modules?
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• 909[04:58:07] <kcirick> jmcnaught: hmm, yes, it was in the bug report that the other person (I don't remember) mentioned
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• 912[04:58:45] <kcirick> jmcnaught: no I didnt... didn't think of it really
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• 914[04:59:09] <kcirick> in general if you know you need it, it's better to compile it right into the kernel than load it as a module, right?
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• 916[04:59:57] <jmcnaught> kcirick: to be honest i don't think i've compiled a kernel since 2003
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• 922[05:00:56] <jmcnaught> kcirick: with modules you at least have the option of reloading them. if listing these modules in /etc/modules works with a stock or backports kernel i would do that, then you still get kernel updates without having to recompile them yourself
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• 924[05:01:10] <kcirick> jmcnaught: yes, I think recompiling a kernel is becoming a thing of a past. It goes to show how much linux has grown to accomodate vast range of systems
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• 928[05:01:40] <kcirick> jmcnaught: yes, that's a thought
• 929[05:01:49] <sm00th> i'm compiling a kernel right now lol
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• 931[05:02:24] <kcirick> I'm using version 4.4, which is supposed to be a long term... jessie-backports has 4.5, which is stable, but not long term...
• 932[05:02:34] <jmcnaught> kcirick: worth a try at least. by the way are you using the "make deb-pkg" method documented in replaced-url
• 933[05:02:47] <sm00th> I am, easiest method in all of linux
• 934[05:03:19] <kcirick> jmcnaught: no, I'm doing the old-school way of cp arch/x86/boot/bzImage /boot/blah
• 935[05:03:23] <jmcnaught> kcirick: the backports kernel generally keeps increasing. it follows testing kernels. so it will be 4.6 i imagine
• 936[05:03:31] <sm00th> kcirick, you still do that
• 937[05:03:35] <xormor> how do I put the terminal emulator down left into the panel? I am using LXDE.
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• 940[05:03:55] <sm00th> find it in menu, right click, add to panel
• 941[05:03:55] <jmcnaught> kcirick: take a look at chapter 4 of that link, the debian way gets you a package that's easier to remove and is not really any more difficult
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• 944[05:04:20] <kcirick> sm00th: probably not recommended anymore, but I find it easier to manage than through package manager
• 945[05:04:24] <sm00th> then panel edit, move it to the left
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• 947[05:04:33] <kcirick> jmcnaught: will take a look. thanks for the reference
• 948[05:04:51] <sm00th> kcirick, arch has a make kpg, but traditional method is much easier there
• 949[05:05:09] <sm00th> i just like to have the image and header packages
• 950[05:05:30] <markybob> make deb-pkg does that
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• 952[05:05:34] <sm00th> yep
• 953[05:05:49] <kcirick> sm00th: I've rebuilt kernels using different distros, I've always used the traditional method and so far I haven't run into any issues... this way I can keep using the method no matter what distro I use
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• 955[05:06:00] <sm00th> true
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• 959[05:06:24] <jmcnaught> kcirick: are you also doing some make rule to install modules, or just building everything into the kernel?
• 960[05:06:50] <kcirick> jmcnaught: make modules_install will install modules to /lib/modules
• 961[05:06:51] * jmcnaught dimly recalls something like "make modules_install" in the olden days.
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• 963[05:07:02] <kcirick> jmcnaught: voila
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• 965[05:07:48] <markybob> when on debian i cant understand why you wouldn't use make deb-pkg
• 966[05:07:50] <xormor> sm00th, I was able to add it to the right side.
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• 968[05:08:05] <kcirick> jmcnaught: that link is gold when it comes to kernel building! thanks again
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• 970[05:08:16] <xormor> sm00th, the menu system does not have "add to the panel".
• 971[05:09:10] <xormor> sm00th, it has "add to the desktop".
• 972[05:09:19] <xormor> sm00th, this is "lxde".
• 973[05:09:20] <kcirick> markybob: I hadn't looked into it until now. Certainly worth it if I'm sticking with debian
• 974[05:09:25] <jmcnaught> xormor: can you drag stuff from the menu to the panel?
• 975[05:09:33] <xormor> jmcnaught, no
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• 981[05:10:24] <dgarstang> I've been searching for an example of how to use dh_install for ours. Help. :(
• 982[05:10:25] <xormor> jmcnaught, ok
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• 987[05:13:40] <jmcnaught> dgarstang: have you tried looking at other source packages?
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• 989[05:14:13] <rjsalts> dgarstang: replaced-url
• 990[05:15:02] <dgarstang> rjsalts: There's no mention of dh_install on that page. :(
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• 992[05:15:10] <rjsalts> replaced-url
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• 997[05:15:35] <jmcnaught> dgarstang: that was the table of contents :P
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• 999[05:16:01] <dgarstang> jmcnaught: yes, but what are the source and dest directories?
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• 1005[05:17:52] <dgarstang> if I am going to look at a source package, I need the simplest one possible and I don't know what is without downloading them all
• 1006[05:19:18] <rjsalts> dgarstang: man dh_install?
• 1007[05:20:23] <dgarstang> rjsalts: Sure, but I don't see any mention of what special variables refer to the source and targets
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• 1010[05:21:40] <rjsalts> dgarstang: it's in the man page -> From debhelper compatibility level 7 on, dh_install will fall back to looking in debian/tmp for files, if it doesn't find them in the current directory (or wherever you've told it to look using --sourcedir).
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• 1013[05:22:55] <dgarstang> rjsalts: I just don't where it expects the files. Under debian/ ? At the same level as debian? somewhere else?
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• 1016[05:23:06] <rjsalts> dgarstang: debian/package.install List the files to install into each package and the directory they should be installed to.
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• 1018[05:23:50] <dgarstang> rjsalts: I tried that. Preferred the dh_make route. Looks like there's no way to recurse over all the dirs with debian/package.install
• 1019[05:24:11] <dgarstang> rjsalts: It also complains when the target directories don't exist
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• 1021[05:24:54] <rjsalts> dgarstang: dgarstang these are /path/to/debian/tmp/usr/foo /usr/foo and you can list as much as you like in foo.install
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• 1024[05:25:40] <dgarstang> rjsalts: Don't follow... i need the full absolute path?
• 1025[05:25:50] <dgarstang> rjsalts: That seems highly unportable
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• 1027[05:26:55] <rjsalts> dgarstang: no, look at the man page, it says it right there under the section describing debian/package.install
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• 1029[05:27:50] <rjsalts> dgarstang: so it's debian/tmp/... [optional destination]
• 1030[05:28:12] <dgarstang> rjsalts: Ok, but doesn't have to be debian/tmp does it?
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• 1034[05:29:15] <rjsalts> dgarstang: no, you can do dh_install --sourcedir=/my/favourite/name if you feel like it
• 1035[05:29:29] <dgarstang> and "should be given relative to the current directory" ... is that the current dir relative to debian/ or where it's run from?
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• 1039[05:31:52] <dgarstang> "dh_usrlocal: debian/slice-bootstrap/usr/local/bin/slice-bootstrap is not a directory" ... not having much luck
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• 1041[05:32:19] <dgarstang> i have files in debian/usr ... don't know why it's looking in debian/slice-bootstrap
• 1042[05:32:33] <dgarstang> but should they be in debian/usr? What's the convention?
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• 1048[05:34:00] <dgarstang> I also need to install symlinks, so maybe the install file isn't even a good idea
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• 1070[05:38:41] <dgarstang> still no luck
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• 1078[05:41:25] <dgarstang> i just can't find any simple examples of how dh_install is supposed to be used
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• 1090[05:44:44] <dgarstang> still no luck
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• 1096[05:47:52] <dgarstang> still no luck
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• 1100[05:48:57] <dgarstang> why the FUDGE does dh_install keep looking for files in tmp?
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• 1114[05:53:11] <dgarstang> That's it. I give up. This is insane. All I am trying to do is create a simple debian package with some shell scripts
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• 1137[06:11:11] <rjsalts> dgarstang: replaced-url
• 1138[06:11:49] <rjsalts> dgarstang: replaced-url
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• 1146[06:17:34] <devslash> ihow do i install the pgp key for jessie backports
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• 1149[06:21:11] <jmcnaught> devslash: you shouldn't need to do that, it's keys should already be installed with the keys for the main archive
• 1150[06:21:24] <jmcnaught> devslash: what source did you add, and what does the error say?
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• 1158[06:26:33] <devslash> just a sec
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• 1172[06:29:34] <devslash> i was trying to add backports to install certbot which is used to create a letsencrypt ssl certificate
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• 1180[06:31:22] <jmcnaught> !show sources.list devslash
• 1181[06:31:22] <dpkg> devslash: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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• 1183[06:31:35] <devslash> thanks but i removed the source
• 1184[06:31:38] <jmcnaught> devslash: please also include the error message you get in the paste
• 1185[06:32:34] <devslash> problem solved
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• 1187[06:33:58] <jmcnaught> devslash: sure if you're happy. jessie-backports works, if you want to try it again look at replaced-url
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• 1189[06:34:18] <devslash> thats exactly what i did
• 1190[06:34:44] <devslash> when i did apt-get upgrade it gave me an error that the key wasnt found'
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• 1192[06:35:42] <jmcnaught> devslash: if at some point you get comfortable with the idea of showing commands, output and sources.list in a paste i'm sure someone can help you figure out what went wrong :)
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• 1194[06:37:28] <devslash> this is the error W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
• 1195[06:37:28] <devslash> 7638D0442B90D010
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• 1201[06:38:42] <devslash> jmcnaught, i added deb replaced-url
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• 1316[07:49:13] <Mava> so, once i'm using passphrase for luks, that should probably be possible to use keyfile instead sometimes, like - two different mechanisms where the keyfile is the 1st and if it aint working, then fallback mechanism is the passphrase
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• 1318[07:50:22] <GJdan> jmcnaught: curious, but could he also be using something older than jessie?
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• 1322[07:53:06] <c-c> Good Friday Sirs
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• 1324[07:54:02] <c-c> Would anyone happen to have an example of a post-install script in a metapackage (or just plain normal package)?
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• 1345[08:07:05] <fredl> good morning. When I check the contents of exim4-config with 'dpkg -L exim4-config' I see that it should have a bunch of files in /etc/exim4/conf.d
• 1346[08:07:44] <fredl> however, those files do not exist. When I try to verify the package with debsums exim4-config everything looks fine
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• 1349[08:08:49] <fredl> dpkg -V exim4-config gives a bunch of files looking like this though: ??5?????? c /etc/exim4/conf.d/rewrite/31_exim4-config_rewriting
• 1350[08:08:49] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, fredl
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• 1352[08:09:08] <fredl> oh why thank you dpkg :P
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• 1356[08:10:10] <fredl> after I do 'apt-get install --reinstall exim4-config' those files still don't exist
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• 1361[08:12:04] <themill> !confmiss
• 1362[08:12:05] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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• 1367[08:14:20] <fredl> hmm, lemme try that
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• 1374[08:16:12] <fredl> hmm that's really good to know, thanks themill!
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• 1404[08:34:49] <slax0r> hi, is it possible to change the width of a cell size for a monospaced font?
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• 1408[08:37:31] <sumi> hello
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• 1412[08:38:59] <c-c> hello
• 1413[08:39:28] <c-c> slax0r: yes, in a program that provides such facility, usually typesetting or graphics editor
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• 1416[08:40:29] <c-c> slax0r: also "word processing" and sometimes terminals provide "letter spacing" or "kerning" options
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• 1419[08:40:39] <c-c> *terminal emulators
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• 1463[09:08:30] <slax0r> c-c: yeah, I'm looking for letter spacing or kerning options in xterm, but don't have much luck
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• 1477[09:14:13] <ByteStorm> guys can i make a separate /xxx folder to store the grub bootloader ???
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• 1481[09:15:36] <c-c> slax0r: uxterm has an option, or was it urzvzdyewsgterm
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• 1487[09:17:23] <ByteStorm> guys ???
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• 1489[09:18:50] <c-c> ByteStorm: you can make your own folder, sure, but grub won't use it
• 1490[09:18:53] <towo^work> ByteStorm, what you want to do exact?
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• 1492[09:19:09] <towo^work> ByteStorm, grub has to be in /boot/grub
• 1493[09:19:14] <ByteStorm> im installing debian in virtualbox
• 1494[09:19:24] <towo^work> all you can do is a separate /boot-partition
• 1495[09:19:26] <ByteStorm> so theres a folder option called /boot
• 1496[09:19:26] <c-c> ByteStorm: perhaps you wanted a partition?
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• 1498[09:19:34] <ByteStorm> yeah
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• 1501[09:19:44] <towo^work> does not make sense in vmware
• 1502[09:19:53] <slax0r> c-c: thanks, will look into it
• 1503[09:19:54] <ByteStorm> well what size do i give to /boot guys ???
• 1504[09:20:08] <c-c> ByteStorm: 1 GB should do fine
• 1505[09:20:08] <towo^work> why you need it separate?
• 1506[09:20:14] <c-c> but yea
• 1507[09:20:34] <c-c> Just put everything on one partition, or jump bakc and let the installer auto
• 1508[09:20:39] <Dan39> even 100mb is enough :P
• 1509[09:20:51] <ByteStorm> well i was having problems loading the grub bootloader in the disk in my prev installs
• 1510[09:20:52] <towo^work> then only one kernel can be installed
• 1511[09:21:06] <Dan39> in 100mb? i be you could install a few
• 1512[09:21:10] <Dan39> bet*
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• 1514[09:21:44] <Dan39> well then make it 200MB
• 1515[09:21:44] <towo^work> ByteStorm, i bet, you don't understand, what you are doing
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• 1518[09:22:03] <ByteStorm> yeah i hav done manual partitioning b4
• 1519[09:22:12] <towo^work> debian runs fine without separate /boot in vmware
• 1520[09:22:23] <ByteStorm> im in virtual box
• 1521[09:22:35] <towo^work> even there
• 1522[09:22:49] <ByteStorm> idk what happened to me thn
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• 1524[09:22:56] <Dan39> just do a normal installation, it should work...
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• 1526[09:24:00] <ByteStorm> well....how do i do a "Bootable flag" to on in manual partitioning ???
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• 1529[09:24:52] <Dan39> fdisk? t
• 1530[09:25:01] <Dan39> or the installer...
• 1531[09:25:02] <evilman_work> ByteStorm: fdisk <device> and type a
• 1532[09:25:14] <Dan39> o wait thats type lol
• 1533[09:25:16] <Dan39> woops sorry
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• 1535[09:25:18] <Dan39> <_<
• 1536[09:25:23] <ByteStorm> in the installer
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• 1539[09:26:06] <ByteStorm> ok...mySystem settings for the vm is:
• 1540[09:26:22] <ByteStorm> 512 mb ram,45 % execution cap,
• 1541[09:26:35] <Dan39> ByteStorm: im sure you can figure it out, the installer is pretty safe when partitioning, itll confirm before writing anything and you can always go back n start over
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• 1545[09:26:49] <ByteStorm> VT-x/AMD-V,Nested Paging,PAE/NX
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• 1547[09:27:23] <ByteStorm> i havent enabled EFI btw
• 1548[09:27:35] <ByteStorm> i did it in the prev installs but
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• 1553[09:30:49] <ByteStorm> i enabled efi now in the settings but it didnt showed up in the System front page
• 1554[09:31:03] <Dan39> just leave it disabled, why do you need it?
• 1555[09:31:19] <ByteStorm> evilman_work: whats the command can you tell me i will use man ....
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• 1560[09:32:14] <Dan39> the boot flag probably wont even matter i think
• 1561[09:32:27] <ByteStorm> then??
• 1562[09:33:33] <Dan39> huh?
• 1563[09:33:38] <ByteStorm> ok atm im in the non-gui installation mode
• 1564[09:33:56] <Dan39> its still the guided auto intaller, right?
• 1565[09:34:10] <Dan39> or are you just in a shell?
• 1566[09:34:14] <ByteStorm> no i like the manual partitioner
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• 1568[09:34:23] <Dan39> -_-
• 1569[09:34:34] <Dan39> yea but still in the installer, right?
• 1570[09:34:41] <ByteStorm> yeah
• 1571[09:34:44] <Dan39> ok
• 1572[09:34:47] <ByteStorm> i restartedi it
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• 1576[09:36:38] <c-c> slax0r: replaced-url
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• 1578[09:37:19] <c-c> or replaced-url
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• 1586[09:41:43] <ByteStorm> should the /boot partion be read only ???
• 1587[09:41:51] <Dan39> -_-
• 1588[09:41:54] <ByteStorm> pls help im trying to learn something new
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• 1590[09:42:18] <Dan39> read only where?
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• 1593[09:42:28] <Dan39> dont over complicate it
• 1594[09:42:40] <Dan39> just create 1 partition and go with defaults
• 1595[09:42:51] <ByteStorm> boot
• 1596[09:42:56] <ByteStorm> */boot
• 1597[09:43:15] <ByteStorm> pls im trying to learn something new
• 1598[09:43:20] <Dan39> no, itll be read-write once the system is up
• 1599[09:43:28] <ByteStorm> ok thnx
• 1600[09:43:55] <rjsalts> ByteStorm: you can mount it read only, it adds a tiny hurdle for someone who's already root writing malware to your boot partition. but it does mean you have to take special steps when upgrading your kernel
• 1601[09:44:26] <ByteStorm> ok ill not upgrade my kernel soon
• 1602[09:44:52] <ByteStorm> rjsalts can you explain a lil more ??
• 1603[09:44:54] <Dan39> i havnt heard of mounting boot read-only, but whatever
• 1604[09:45:01] <rjsalts> ByteStorm: kernel upgrades are infrequent, but you probably want to do them if there is a security flaw in your current one
• 1605[09:45:03] <c-c> ByteStorm: if you want to play with grub, why are you not reading about it!!!
• 1606[09:45:24] <ByteStorm> bcoz you guys are my pals
• 1607[09:45:26] <ByteStorm> :D
• 1608[09:45:30] <Dan39> o god
• 1609[09:45:41] <ByteStorm> i want a lil help....but i dont mind reading by myself
• 1610[09:45:52] <c-c> ByteStorm: go read about grub2 replaced-url
• 1611[09:45:54] <ByteStorm> if a weblink could help....
• 1612[09:45:59] <ByteStorm> thnx
• 1613[09:46:03] <c-c> google could help yourself
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• 1615[09:46:25] <ByteStorm> but rjsalts can /boot be only read-only ???
• 1616[09:46:31] <ByteStorm> thts my question
• 1617[09:46:35] <Dan39> he just said it could
• 1618[09:46:48] <ByteStorm> ok then...im doing it
• 1619[09:46:59] <Dan39> ok, but it usually isnt
• 1620[09:47:14] <rjsalts> ByteStorm: it's of limited utility
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• 1622[09:47:21] <ByteStorm> ???
• 1623[09:47:39] <rjsalts> ByteStorm: all the files in /boot are owned by root, so can only be written by someone with root accesss
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• 1625[09:47:48] <c-c> ByteStorm: what you should study, is what is grub/bootloader, and what exactly lives in /boot? Then you will *understand*
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• 1627[09:48:02] <rjsalts> ByteStorm: someone with root access can unmount /boot and remount it read-write
• 1628[09:48:05] <c-c> ByteStorm: also on your system, do $ ls -lA /boot
• 1629[09:48:23] <ByteStorm> ok c-c,rjsalts thnx
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• 1632[09:49:20] <rjsalts> ByteStorm: so mounting boot would protect from someone who had an automated script that once getting root wrote malware to /boot and didn't check whether it succeeded
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• 1634[09:49:33] <ByteStorm> ok
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• 1637[09:51:35] <rjsalts> ByteStorm: but it's probably game over if you have an educated attacker at the point that they get root access. Your system can't be trusted to be on your side from that point on
• 1638[09:51:50] <ByteStorm> ok
• 1639[09:52:00] <ByteStorm> thnx rjsalts
• 1640[09:52:24] <ByteStorm> but for tht to be possible he could need to kno the root password ???
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• 1642[09:52:25] <Dan39> ByteStorm: why are you even asking about it?
• 1643[09:52:28] <ByteStorm> right???
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• 1646[09:53:06] <ByteStorm> Dan39: i hav been experimenting with custom partitioning since im on debian...im just learning :D
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• 1648[09:53:28] <c-c> ByteStorm: replaced-url
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• 1650[09:54:17] <ByteStorm> thnx c-c
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• 1653[09:55:58] <ByteStorm> c-c wheres the starting page of tht website ???
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• 1655[09:56:36] <ByteStorm> found it
• 1656[09:56:51] <Dan39> ByteStorm: seriously, you need to figure some stuff out on your own
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• 1658[09:57:14] <c-c> ByteStorm: I think you want now replaced-url
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• 1663[09:57:56] <ByteStorm> yeah thts what i want thnx c-c :D
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• 1665[09:58:07] <Dan39> for the love of god
• 1666[09:58:12] <rjsalts> ByteStorm: there is this thing called a local privilege escalation bug
• 1667[09:58:48] <ByteStorm> thnx guys i will check all the guides
• 1668[09:58:54] <rjsalts> ByteStorm: meaning there are more ways to get root on a host than knowing the root password
• 1669[09:59:07] <ByteStorm> hmmm
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• 1675[10:00:19] <fredl> this is bizarre.... dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config runs /usr/sbin/exim4 -C /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp -bV underwater....
• 1676[10:00:43] <fredl> but apparently that command hangs
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• 1678[10:01:12] <fredl> After I've added a transport to exim that doesn't look strange to me (but I also don't fully understand it)
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• 1680[10:02:07] <fredl> anybody with some good exim skillz around by any chance who would want to help me with this?
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• 1682[10:02:44] <fredl> here's the transport I'm adding
• 1683[10:02:46] <fredl> replaced-url
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• 1686[10:04:02] <c-c> maybe have a backup of the earlier?
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• 1689[10:04:26] <fredl> well this is a new transport and comes from my (working) wheezy config
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• 1691[10:05:11] <fredl> All I'm doing is to copy it in /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport and run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
• 1692[10:05:30] <fredl> and it just totally hangs without any apparent reason
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• 1694[10:05:57] <fredl> when I run /usr/sbin/exim4 -C /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp -bV manually it also just sits there, no errors nothing
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• 1696[10:06:17] <c-c> so, does it junk spam?
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• 1699[10:07:36] <fredl> well like I said, I don't fully understand what it does, this has been years ago since I configured it on wheezy
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• 1704[10:09:52] <fredl> I'll just selectively comment out lines and retry to narrow it down
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• 1706[10:09:55] <c-c> fredl: probably sets basic config for exim. Do you even use exim? How would you know if it works or not.
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• 1709[10:10:19] <fredl> yeah I've used exim for years as MTA here on my server
• 1710[10:10:25] <rjsalts> fredl: have you tried running /usr/sbin/exim4 -C ...
• 1711[10:10:28] <c-c> what are you expecting
• 1712[10:10:34] <rjsalts> fredl: to see what it does?
• 1713[10:10:49] <fredl> rjsalts, I have.
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• 1716[10:11:11] <fredl> lemme show
• 1717[10:11:34] <fredl> replaced-url
• 1718[10:11:40] <fredl> it just sits there, doing nothing
• 1719[10:12:11] <fredl> c-c: what I'm expecting is dpkg-reconfigure to come back either succesfully or with an error message
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• 1721[10:13:17] <fredl> in this line: directory = "/home/vmail/${domain}/${local_part}/Maildir/${if eq {${substr_0_3:$header_X-Spam-Status:}}{Yes}{.Junk}{}}"
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• 1723[10:13:32] <rjsalts> fredl: so what happens if you do strace -f -p $(pidof exim4)
• 1724[10:13:34] <fredl> anybody know where exim would get those ${domain} variables?
• 1725[10:13:48] <fredl> lemme try that
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• 1727[10:14:38] <fredl> futex(0x7fb24577bd08, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 2, NULL
• 1728[10:14:43] <fredl> that's all
• 1729[10:14:50] <rjsalts> fredl: they're all expansion items replaced-url
• 1730[10:15:13] <fredl> tnx
• 1731[10:15:19] <rjsalts> fredl: so it's waiting on some kind of lock
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• 1733[10:16:00] <rjsalts> fredl: kill it and try strace /usr/sbin/exim4 -C ...
• 1734[10:16:12] <fredl> looks like it yeah, maybe I can add some debug_print to see what they're set to...
• 1735[10:17:10] <fredl> hmmmm, the strace indicates it tries to do something with mysql
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• 1737[10:17:21] <rjsalts> fredl: they're being expanded based on the message you receive, i.e. ${domain} will be the recipients domain ${local_part} is the bit before the @ symbol in the recipients email address
• 1738[10:17:29] <ByteStorm> is there a GNU grub channel ???
• 1739[10:18:09] <rjsalts> fredl: just before the futex wait?
• 1740[10:18:48] <Rovanion> Is there a good alternative to sshfs? Because it seems like everyone is having issues with sshfs and resuming the connection after a suspend.
• 1741[10:18:54] <fredl> looks like it, let me cut and paste
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• 1743[10:19:14] <fredl> replaced-url
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• 1746[10:19:34] <fredl> maybe that connect(24,....) ?
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• 1749[10:19:54] <fredl> well no... I see read()'s from that socket
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• 1752[10:20:13] <fredl> no close() though
• 1753[10:20:44] <fredl> fsck, I'm losing it here, been staring and poking at this for too long
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• 1758[10:21:17] <Walex> Rovanion: "issues with sshfs and resuming the connection after a suspend" good luck with that...
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• 1760[10:21:21] <c-c> fredl: maybe its expecting a POP or MAP response
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• 1763[10:21:29] <c-c> fredl: or dns
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• 1767[10:21:51] <Rovanion> Walex: That's what I'm saying. Sure there must exist some alternative to sshfs which isn't NFS?
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• 1769[10:22:00] <fredl> possibly... although DNS requests should time out in, what, 30 seconds or so?
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• 1777[10:22:24] <Walex> Rovanion: that depends on what transport you have available.
• 1778[10:22:31] <c-c> fredl: maybe you're expected to configure such things for exim
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• 1785[10:22:34] <fredl> I tried typing some stuff on stdin, doesn't respond
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• 1788[10:22:55] <Walex> Rovanion: SSHFS exists because it uses SSH as transport, not for much of any other reason.
• 1789[10:22:56] <rjsalts> fredl: I don't think it would be dns, database makes more sense, but everything looks okay just before that
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• 1798[10:23:14] <fredl> well in the whole /etc/exim4 tree I currently have no reference to mysql
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• 1803[10:23:31] <fredl> I *used* to have that, it would look up domains/users in mysql before
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• 1807[10:23:42] <fredl> so perhaps it has some old stuff somewhere still
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• 1811[10:24:02] <Rovanion> Walex: I'm open to setting up any other transport which can be exposed to the internet if it can provide a better remote fs mounting solution than sshfs.
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• 1813[10:24:07] <rjsalts> fredl: what's in /etc/nsswitch.conf?
• 1814[10:24:09] <fredl> but I reinstalled exim4-config, including the whole new config files
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• 1817[10:24:23] <Walex> Rovanion: basically SSHFS is a wrapper around 'ssh' and 'cat <' and 'cat >'
• 1818[10:24:25] <c-c> fredl: but, did you purge the old?
• 1819[10:24:35] <fredl> I did c-c
• 1820[10:24:41] <rjsalts> fredl: for passwd: and group:
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• 1823[10:24:54] <fredl> passwd: compat mysql
• 1824[10:24:54] <fredl> group: compat mysql
• 1825[10:24:58] <fredl> aha
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• 1827[10:25:14] <Walex> Rovanion: if you want a filesystem that allows you to mount something you have at home from a laptop in a coffee place there are very limited options.
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• 1829[10:25:28] <fredl> the geteuid/getegid ?
• 1830[10:25:34] <rjsalts> fredl: it's trying to figure out all the users and groups type stuff
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• 1833[10:25:41] <Rovanion> Walex: That's essentially what I want. Something like what mosh is to ssh.
• 1834[10:25:48] <fredl> yeah good catch, lemme look into that more
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• 1839[10:25:55] <Walex> Rovanion: in practice the only robust options are based on RSYNC style logic, like 'syncthing'
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• 1843[10:26:10] <ChrisH> fredl: Is mysql a valid option there? Never saw that before
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• 1846[10:26:22] <rjsalts> fredl: does getent passwd/getent group have any problems?
• 1847[10:26:26] <Walex> ChrisH: MySQL is never a valid option! :-)
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• 1849[10:26:35] <Rovanion> Walex: Doesn't work in practice though, as long as I'm not carrying around six terabytes with me.
• 1850[10:26:38] <fredl> ChrisH - yup
• 1851[10:26:47] <rjsalts> ChrisH: it's valid if you install libnss-mysql or whatever it's called
• 1852[10:26:57] <fredl> rjsalts: uid=5000(vmail) gid=5000(vmail) groups=5000(vmail)
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• 1854[10:27:28] <rjsalts> fredl: that's the user exim is running as?
• 1855[10:27:32] <fredl> wait... isn't libnss-mysql orphaned in jessie?
• 1856[10:27:54] <fredl> maybe there's the source of the problems
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• 1858[10:28:11] <rjsalts> fredl: it's in wheezy, not jessie
• 1859[10:28:24] <fredl> rjsalts - nope, that's the user the (virtual) mailfolders are chowned/chgroup'ed to
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• 1862[10:29:03] <fredl> now I'm wondering, hmmm... when I do 'id vmail' it works....
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• 1864[10:29:08] <rjsalts> fredl: I don't think that should matter. exim is just trying to check it's config, it's probably trying to look up Debian-exim or what have you
• 1865[10:29:14] <fredl> but vmail is not in /etc/passwd
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• 1867[10:29:28] <fredl> that's a username/password in the mysql database
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• 1870[10:29:52] <rjsalts> fredl: and you tried getent passwd/getent group?
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• 1872[10:30:17] <fredl> yup, works
• 1873[10:30:35] <fredl> this is not a very succesfull upgrade so far :)
• 1874[10:30:59] <rjsalts> fredl: you moving from wheezy to jessie?
• 1875[10:31:04] <fredl> yeah
• 1876[10:31:11] <fredl> pretty disastrous thus far
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• 1878[10:31:32] <fredl> had the weirdest shit with pdns as well
• 1879[10:31:37] <rjsalts> fredl: try commenting out the mysql bit in /etc/nsswitch?
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• 1882[10:31:58] <rjsalts> fredl: I think you can maybe migrate to sss or something
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• 1884[10:32:30] <fredl> ha! when I comment out the mysql, 'id vmail' no longer works
• 1885[10:32:47] <fredl> sss isn't that that redhat thing?
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• 1887[10:33:16] <fredl> anyway, in some way I do not have libnss-mysql installed but... it does work still :P
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• 1889[10:33:23] <fredl> that's some wicked magic ha? :)
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• 1891[10:34:01] <fredl> ow... libnss-mysql-bg
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• 1894[10:34:54] <fredl> so apparently that *is* in jessie
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• 1902[10:35:54] <fredl> so now it makes some sense again that 'exim -C ...' would connect to mysql again, but not why it fails
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• 1905[10:36:02] <fredl> well.... not fails, waits
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• 1965[10:39:18] <Walex> Rovanion: then you have a bit of a problem. You are asking for a filesystem that works well in intermittently-connected operation over a high delay link, that does not match the UNIX way of doing filesystems very much. SSHFS gives the illusion that such a thing is possible.
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• 1978[10:40:09] <Walex> Rovanion: in practice intermittently connected/high delay means using upload/download style transfers, and SSHFS does that, only pretends it is a filesystem. It mostly works.
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• 1989[10:41:15] <Walex> Rovanion: the next best thing would be NFSv4. And then SMB/CIFS. But it is not a good match either.
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• 1999[10:42:05] <Rovanion> Walex: Over a VPN connection then since you don't want to expose these to the internet IIRC.
• 2000[10:42:06] <jelly> Rovanion: split the problem into two components: first, a reliable and secure connection, second, a good enough filesystem. To wit, find a decent vpn solution that keeps your tcp connections even when your IP address changes
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• 2009[10:42:44] <rjsalts> fredl: also looks like libnss-mysql-bg is in unstable so you could compile from the source package on jessie and see how it goes
• 2010[10:42:44] <rjsalts> replaced-url
• 2011[10:42:44] <rjsalts> nope, stuff from 2011 too
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• 2189[10:57:00] <fredl> well the geteuid / getegid come back succesfully rjsalts, so I'm not convinced that's the problem
• 2190[10:57:17] <Walex> Rovanion: NFSv4 can do encryption on its own.
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• 2194[10:58:10] <fredl> rjsalts - although of course uid 102/gid 104 is Debian-exim, not vmail/vmail
• 2195[10:58:29] <fredl> which makes your point more likely
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• 2197[10:58:48] <ChrisH> Rovanion: I did not get the full discussion, but using git via ssh might be an option to be considered
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• 2201[10:59:32] <Rovanion> ChrisH: Nah, it's mostly music on the server.
• 2202[10:59:51] <Rovanion> ByteStorm: replaced-url
• 2203[10:59:58] <fredl> okay.... when I replace vmail/vmail in the config with Debian-exim:Debian-exim, exim4 -C no longer hangs...
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• 2206[11:00:07] <fredl> so it IS the problem grmbl
• 2207[11:00:10] <Rovanion> ByteStorm: Literally the first result on google.
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• 2209[11:00:42] <Rovanion> Walex: I thought NFS always implicitly trusted everyone on the network or something like that.
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• 2221[11:06:25] <Walex> Rovanion: NFSv4 has authentication and encryption (but you must use Kerberos)
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• 2224[11:07:27] <ChrisH> Rovanion: For Music I would resync my local system and would not fiddle around with sshfs/nfs or what ever over unstable netowrk links
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• 2226[11:08:28] <Rovanion> ChrisH: But then you either have a smaller library or larger drives in your laptops then I do.
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• 2233[11:10:22] <ChrisH> Rovanion: (1TB in my Laptop but nearly no music) Then I would suggest to use https transfer via client certificates for streaming
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• 2247[11:14:12] <Walex> ChrisH: Rovanion: actually if the content is read-only there is an HTTPS based "mirroring" filesytem in widespread use: replaced-url
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• 2249[11:15:02] <Rovanion> Walex: I'll have a look at it. I'm mostly doing read only so.
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• 2276[11:28:32] <nkuttler> meh, how can i get the total disk usage of specific files.. du --files0-from only lists individual files, not the sum
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• 2278[11:30:05] <nkuttler> never mind
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• 2306[11:50:53] <fredl> rjsalts - turns out there is a problem with the libnss-mysql-bg users/groups. Not sure what was the problem but fixed it by adding the vmail user/group to regular passwd / groups file
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• 2315[11:55:22] <Xat`> I have an ISO with specific binary into. How can I retrieve this ISO's binary from a running system ?
• 2316[11:55:30] <Aprendiz1234_> hi all. How can I see real memory free without disk caching memory usage?
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• 2318[11:56:36] <Xat`> I'm able to mount it
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• 2345[12:07:26] <dury> hi there all
• 2346[12:07:45] <Xat`> I'm able to mount the ISO on my running system, but I'm not able to find binaries into the mountpoint
• 2347[12:07:54] <Xat`> is that possible ?
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• 2349[12:09:21] <themill> 'find into'?
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• 2355[12:11:26] <rsFF-> hey there
• 2356[12:11:31] <rsFF-> nathans@debian
• 2357[12:11:33] <rsFF-> is around here?
• 2358[12:12:08] <dury> my grub2 boots from external usb drive... if I unplugged I don't get grub2 from internal hard disk where jessie is installed. how can I solve that, please?
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• 2361[12:12:30] <arjona> Hello everywhere
• 2362[12:13:01] <rsFF-> nat0: ping
• 2363[12:13:06] <arjona> Can you read me? I'm trying to connect to an irc
• 2364[12:13:45] <arjona> ++
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• 2367[12:14:56] <themill> rsFF-: unlikely. What's your real question?
• 2368[12:14:57] <Xat`> themill: I have an ISO which contains some binaries , I need to execute these binaries
• 2369[12:15:18] <Xat`> i'm able to mount the ISO on my running system, but I'm not able to find the binaries
• 2370[12:15:42] <themill> Xat`: what's the complete output of "mount"?
• 2371[12:15:43] <Xat`> Is it possible to find the binaries from a mounted ISO ?
• 2372[12:16:09] <Xat`> mount -t iso9660 /path/to/iso /mnt
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• 2374[12:16:14] <Xat`> I don't have any output
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• 2376[12:16:23] <themill> no, "mount" will make lost of output
• 2377[12:16:24] <Xat`> the mount is OK
• 2378[12:16:51] <arjona> how can i switch my nick on "WeeChat"?
• 2379[12:17:01] <Xat`> themill: what do you mean by '"mount" will make lost of output'
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• 2382[12:17:18] <rsFF-> themill: he is the xfsprogs maintainer, and would like to have a chat with him about it
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• 2386[12:19:10] <themill> Xat`: run the command "mount".
• 2387[12:19:17] <Xat`> oh ok
• 2388[12:19:23] <dury> can anyone help or suggest me what to do about my problem, please?
• 2389[12:19:46] <Xat`> themill: I can see the ISO is mounted on /mnt
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• 2391[12:20:07] <dury> grub2 it doesn't boot from internal disk
• 2392[12:20:09] <themill> rsFF-: no, there's a larger team that maintains xfsprogs and you're better off asking their mailing list (or reporting bugs with 'reportbug')
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• 2397[12:22:18] <Xat`> themill: but I don't have binaries (from this ISO) available
• 2398[12:22:20] <rsFF-> hummm kk
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• 2401[12:24:42] <dury> jessie is in /dev/sdb9
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• 2403[12:24:51] <dury> replaced-url
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• 2406[12:26:42] <dury> grub2 it doesn't boot from internal disk... how can I solve that
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• 2412[12:28:19] <themill> Xat`: I did actually want to see the output
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• 2414[12:28:51] <dury> rsFF-, can you?
• 2415[12:29:07] <fredl> dury - do you see the grub prompt after you boot?
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• 2419[12:30:03] <dury> fredl, what you mean sorry?
• 2420[12:30:10] <fredl> in other words, how do you know it does not boot, where does it stop booting, what do you see on the screen when you boot?
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• 2424[12:30:51] <fredl> also, can you boot Linux from USB/CDROM with /dev/sdb9 as your root filesystem?
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• 2431[12:33:36] <dury> the thing is if I switch on the computer without usb drive the grub2 doesn't come up and can't start jessie, fredl
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• 2433[12:34:31] <dury> fredl, can boot a cdrom
• 2434[12:34:49] <dury> if I go to bios
• 2435[12:35:09] <xormor> dury, perhaps the grub is missing on the hard drive. it should be in /dev/sda or /dev/sda1.
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• 2438[12:36:03] <fredl> dury - when you boot from the USB, is /dev/sdb9 your root device?
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• 2440[12:37:37] <dury> /dev/sdb9 is where jessie is installed, fredl
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• 2444[12:38:28] <dury> fredl, I guess so though
• 2445[12:39:11] <dury> replaced-url
• 2446[12:39:45] <fredl> dury, after you booted, try grub-install /dev/sdb ?
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• 2450[12:40:35] <fredl> that installs grub bootloader onto /dev/sdb which I assume is your bootdisk in BIOS
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• 2452[12:41:30] <dury> fredl, or grub2-install /dev/sdb
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• 2454[12:42:32] <dury> fredl, just grub-install /dev/sdb as root or what?
• 2455[12:42:52] <fredl> of course.
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• 2458[12:44:26] <dury> see what's happen, fredl
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• 2467[12:46:48] <dury> grub2-install: command not found after typing that in terminal, fredl
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• 2471[12:47:08] <fredl> and grub-install?
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• 2474[12:48:22] <dury> fredl, Installing for i386-pc platform.
• 2475[12:48:23] <dury> Installation finished. No error reported.
• 2476[12:48:30] <fredl> reboot
• 2477[12:48:43] <fredl> although you may first want to....
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• 2479[12:49:05] <fredl> update-grub
• 2480[12:49:23] <dury> first remove usb drive and try without that, see?
• 2481[12:49:35] <fredl> yes
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• 2484[12:50:14] <dury> or first update-grub as you said
• 2485[12:50:19] <fredl> yes
• 2486[12:50:25] <dury> right
• 2487[12:50:57] <xormor> you should not have the usb drive there, when you do update-grub
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• 2490[12:51:19] <xormor> the usb drive is not the one you want grub on, you want it on the hard drive
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• 2494[12:52:17] <dury> right, sormor
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• 2496[12:52:46] <dury> so repeat it again them sormor
• 2497[12:53:05] <dury> I mean the commans
• 2498[12:53:17] <dury> commands, sorry
• 2499[12:54:15] <dury> or just update-grub without usb drive, sormor?
• 2500[12:54:22] <dury> as you said
• 2501[12:54:25] <xormor> dury, right
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• 2503[12:54:43] <dury> thanks indeed
• 2504[12:54:43] <xormor> dury, 1) remove usb drive 2) update-grub
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• 2506[12:54:56] <dury> great, brillant
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• 2508[12:55:21] <fredl> update-grub shouldn't install on the USB if his root device is /dev/sdb9 though
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• 2513[12:56:43] <xormor> fredl, what was the command to write the grub on /dev/sda1?
• 2514[12:56:55] <xormor> fredl, it was shown during the install process of debian.
• 2515[12:57:19] <fredl> I didn't tell him that command for sda1, I told him to 'grub-install /dev/sdb'
• 2516[12:57:29] <xormor> fredl, ok. good.
• 2517[12:57:50] <fredl> if your BIOS is set to boot from the /dev/sdb device, that's where grub should be installed on
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• 2519[12:58:22] <dury> be back right now
• 2520[12:58:30] <dury> rebooting
• 2521[12:58:31] <fredl> there is also an excellent #grub channel BTW
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• 2523[12:58:49] <fredl> my own knowledge is limited
• 2524[12:59:09] <hexadecimal> Bon appétit ;)
• 2525[12:59:23] <hexadecimal> oops wrong channel
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• 2542[13:08:03] <dury> fredl, xormor, success :-)
• 2543[13:08:15] <fredl> congratulations.
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• 2551[13:10:04] <dury> thanks so much indeed... you know how I appreciate it though :-)
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• 2557[13:12:57] <dury> need to go for lunch ... thanks again channel :-)
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• 2757[14:48:50] <Xat`> themill: are you still here ?
• 2758[14:49:35] <Xat`> the mount command output : replaced-url
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• 2760[14:49:42] <Xat`> /dev/sdb is my iso ;)
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• 2833[15:20:33] <codekK> Hey, maybe someone can help me? im trying to setup and Android Virtual Device (emulator), when i start my AVD i get these errors about libGL: replaced-url
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• 2842[15:25:42] <julius_> hi
• 2843[15:26:07] <julius_> how do you use qtchooser to select qt5 as the default qt version on a system? currently running qtchooser lists 4, then 5, then xyz
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• 2883[15:43:27] <dgarstang> Need some assistance with dh_install. Can't work out to use it :(
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• 2894[15:47:30] <dgarstang> even debian/install isn't working. ARGH!
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• 2899[15:48:38] <petn-randall> dgarstang: As always, the usual rules apply:
• 2900[15:48:42] <petn-randall> !ask
• 2901[15:48:42] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2903[15:49:23] <petn-randall> dgarstang: Can you show us what you did so far, and show us the output of the debuild/dpkg-buildpackage run?
• 2904[15:49:33] <greycat> He's trying to create a package, from a "source" which is just a bunch of scripts with no Makefile. But he's trying as hard as he possibly can to avoid writing a simple Makefile with an install: target. God knows why.
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• 2906[15:49:58] <petn-randall> greycat: I remember from yesterday, yes.
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• 2910[15:50:50] <petn-randall> greycat: You only really need one Makefile, that is debian/rules. I built a few packages that just wrap scripts with just that.
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• 2912[15:51:28] <dgarstang> greycat: Mu latest attempt is with a Makefile.
• 2913[15:51:54] <dgarstang> I have "cp usr/local/bin/slice-bootstrap $(DESTDIR)/usr/local/bin/slice-bootstrap" in it, and it's trying to copy it to the absolute location under /usr
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• 2915[15:52:44] <petn-randall> dgarstang: Can you show us the debian/rules and the debian/*.install files? replaced-url
• 2916[15:52:53] <dgarstang> petn-randall: replaced-url
• 2917[15:53:06] <greycat> Normally the bin/ subdirectory you install into would be underneath the install-prefix directory.
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• 2919[15:53:17] <dgarstang> petn-randall: No debian/*.install file. Presume it's not needed if I use debian/rules or a Makefile
• 2920[15:53:27] <dgarstang> greycat: That's what I am trying to do
• 2921[15:53:28] <greycat> e.g. cp slice-bootstrap $(DESTDIR)/bin/slice-bootstrap
• 2922[15:53:44] <dgarstang> greycat: DESTDIR seems to be empty
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• 2924[15:53:49] <dgarstang> hence, it's getting put into /
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• 2926[15:53:56] <greycat> *facepalm*
• 2927[15:54:04] <greycat> Set it.
• 2928[15:54:09] <petn-randall> dgarstang: You just want to copy some files over to the right position in the package, right? Then it's enough to have a debian/*.install and just call dh_install in the right moment.
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• 2932[15:54:29] <themill> dgarstang: dh_install has nothing to do with the install target of debian/rules
• 2933[15:54:33] <greycat> I'm starting to see why he didn't want to write a Makefile. Apparently he's never used one before.
• 2934[15:54:33] <dgarstang> greycat: Why should I have to set it? Shoudln't the target be 'special'? Otherwise you have to know the implemtnation
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• 2936[15:54:54] <greycat> dgarstang: it's set inside the Makefile, usually by autoconf
• 2937[15:54:56] <dgarstang> greycat: At least that's how rpm works. I guess I'm assuming too much
• 2938[15:55:03] <petn-randall> greycat: calling dh_install in debian/rules and having a debian/*.install file should be enough.
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• 2940[15:55:27] <dgarstang> petn-randall: I had no luck with dh_install either. It keeps trying to copy files from debian/tmp
• 2941[15:55:46] <themill> that's its job
• 2942[15:56:06] <dgarstang> The issue I had with the install file was that it didn't seem to create target dirs (and it's also still trying to find files in debian/tmp)
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• 2944[15:56:42] <petn-randall> dgarstang: 'man dh_install'. Look at the --sourcedir option.
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• 2946[15:57:30] <dgarstang> petn-randall: Is it supposed to be an absolute path or a relative path?
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• 2948[15:58:54] <dgarstang> actually, I don't even know what the best practice is. I can't find that documented anywhere. Where should source files come from? A dir at the same level as debian? A dir within debian? Somewhere else altogether?
• 2949[15:59:01] <petn-randall> dgarstang: If it starts with a slash, absolute. Otherwise relative to the basedir that contains debian/.
• 2950[15:59:24] <greycat> dgarstang: The simplest possible source tree has all the upstream files in one directory, and a "debian/" inside that.
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• 2954[16:00:07] <dgarstang> greycat: So your saying the source files should be in a directory above debian and a sourcepath needs to refer to .. ?
• 2955[16:00:08] <themill> dgarstang: packaging is as easy is the upstream makefile is good. If you have a crap upstream makefile that does nothing useful then it is confusing
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• 2957[16:00:39] <dgarstang> greycat, or rather, refer to ../src for example
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• 2960[16:00:49] <themill> make a decent Makefile that actually installs the files into the correct places, and it is easy
• 2961[16:00:53] <petn-randall> dgarstang: You're deliberately ignoring what I said about --sourcedir.
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• 2964[16:00:59] <greycat> Je
• 2965[16:01:01] <dgarstang> petn-randall: I don't believe I am
• 2966[16:01:06] <greycat> He's getting contradictory advice now. That's always fun.
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• 2968[16:01:36] <dgarstang> it's not hard to get contradictory advice when there's a million ways to do it
• 2969[16:01:44] * greycat finds the first factoid in dpkg (maint-guide), follows the first URL in it, and ... they want me to open PDFs. God fucking no. No PDFs. If it's written in PDF it ain't getting read.
• 2970[16:02:11] <greycat> On to the second URL.
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• 2972[16:02:43] <themill> greycat: that's only because gen-youtube can't read documentation and needs a video of what to do
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• 2976[16:03:23] <dgarstang> Is it kosher to put source files into a directory, say src, at the same level as debian/, and then have sourcedir be ../src/foo
• 2977[16:03:37] <themill> dgarstang: make a decent Makefile.
• 2978[16:03:52] <dgarstang> themill: That's gonna have the same directory issues
• 2979[16:04:03] <themill> no
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• 2981[16:04:16] <dgarstang> themill: yes, dh_install is still trying to copy files from debian/tmp
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• 2983[16:04:34] <themill> and "make install" should be trying to copy them into there
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• 2985[16:05:15] <themill> (it should obey $(DESTDIR))
• 2986[16:05:19] <dgarstang> I mean... where should the makefile even be? top level of project? In the directory that contains debian/? Inside the debian/ directory?
• 2987[16:05:32] <dgarstang> themill: DESTDIR wasn't set before
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• 2989[16:05:39] <themill> it should be, as already noted
• 2990[16:05:48] <greycat> Ah, I was mistaken about DESTDIR. I thought it worked like prefix. Apparently it's not.
• 2991[16:05:53] <dgarstang> themill: someone else said I had to set it explicitly
• 2992[16:06:00] <themill> dh will do so
• 2993[16:06:03] <dgarstang> k
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• 2995[16:06:37] <dgarstang> themill: well it dind't work earlier. it wasn't set and $(DESTDIR)/usr ended up becoming /usr
• 2996[16:06:39] <themill> if you have no upstream Makefile then packaging is a lot of work because you have nothing to use to help you
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• 2999[16:06:56] <dgarstang> themill: No upstream. It's just a bunch of scripts for internal use
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• 3007[16:08:55] <dgarstang> where should the Makefile go?
• 3008[16:09:12] <dgarstang> None of this seems to be documented
• 3009[16:09:22] <greycat> In the top level of the source tree
• 3010[16:09:44] <ToHellWithGA> i am attempting to install debian on a mac mini with two hard drives but failing to grok how to get grub installed correctly. if i install to a single drive everything is groovy. if i use mdadm and let LVM create partitions at setup time the machine is unable to find grub on the group.
• 3011[16:09:51] <themill> this is documented in any "how to write source code" from the last 3 decades
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• 3014[16:10:21] <dgarstang> greycat: If I put the Makefile at the top level of the source tree (ie one dir above the debian/ dir), then it's not found
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• 3016[16:10:30] <ToHellWithGA> am i supposed to "burn" a few hundred MB at the beginning of SDA1 and just use the remainder of the disk for the mdadm array?
• 3017[16:10:42] <themill> "not found" by what?
• 3018[16:10:45] <dgarstang> greycat: if I put it in the directory that also contains the debian/ directory, then it's found
• 3019[16:11:00] <dgarstang> themill: not found by "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b"
• 3020[16:11:24] <themill> that's 3 steps removed from relevance
• 3021[16:11:32] <themill> d/rules
• 3022[16:11:42] <greycat> dgarstang: UPSTREAM SOURCE TREE -- before you add debian/ to it -- should have one (1) Makefile, and n (n) scripts all sitting in one diretory. The Makefile should have an install target. When you type "make install" in this directory, it should copy the files to $(DESTDIR)/usr/local/bin/ or wherever. This is the starting point.
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• 3025[16:12:07] <dgarstang> greycat: Where was that documented?
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• 3028[16:12:12] <greycat> dgarstang: EVERYWHERE
• 3029[16:12:24] <greycat> Every source package ever released by anyone since the beginning of time.
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• 3032[16:12:38] <dgarstang> google says "No results found for "should have one (1) Makefile, and n (n) scripts all sitting in one directory"."
• 3033[16:12:40] <greycat> Unless that person is a Windows person, or a Java person, or a Node person, or some other deviant.
• 3034[16:12:49] <themill> dgarstang: have you never seen "./configure; make; make install" before?
• 3035[16:13:01] <dgarstang> themill: yes, since about 1993
• 3036[16:13:07] <themill> so there you go
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• 3038[16:13:27] <dgarstang> themill: theres less obfuscation involved there
• 3039[16:13:40] <themill> not at all
• 3040[16:13:55] <dgarstang> themill: I dont know what the debian build system is doing here.
• 3041[16:13:58] <themill> that is precisely what the debian packing will run
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• 3044[16:14:31] <dgarstang> themill: Why does the Makefile then need to go into the same directory as the debian/ directory?
• 3045[16:14:40] <themill> it doesn't
• 3046[16:14:49] <dgarstang> It's not found if I put it anywhere else
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• 3048[16:14:55] <themill> I know of no package where that is done
• 3049[16:15:06] <greycat> themill: I think you misread what he said
• 3050[16:15:16] <greycat> Makefile and debian/ are both at the top level.
• 3051[16:15:17] <Bronze> Hi, I need a hint about how to look up if debian has packaged a certain application (specifically firefox, But i want to learn how to do this for any item of software) hopefully this isn't too stupid of a question.
• 3052[16:15:52] <dgarstang> greycat: ok, that makes sense. I have those dirs inside another dir... maybe because that's the way other packing systems I've seen do it
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• 3054[16:16:16] <themill> umm
• 3055[16:16:30] <greycat> The upstream tarball should extract to myscripts-0.1/ and inside that should be a Makefile (or a set of files to create one) and the software.
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• 3058[16:16:41] <themill> I know of no packaging that doesn't do that
• 3059[16:16:42] <dgarstang> Although, I still need that subdir, because the build system always places the final debian file in ../
• 3060[16:16:47] <greycat> When you package it, you add a debian/ subdirectory.
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• 3062[16:16:57] <dgarstang> greycat: put the version number into the directory!?
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• 3064[16:17:02] <themill> no
• 3065[16:17:17] <themill> you can and gnu autotools will want to, but it's not requireed
• 3066[16:17:31] <dgarstang> no autotools required
• 3067[16:17:40] <dgarstang> well, I'm just plain confused
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• 3070[16:18:04] <themill> if you understand autotools this should be a doddle
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• 3072[16:18:26] <dgarstang> if I put debian/ and Makefile into the root dir, then the deb file will be placed in a directory above, which isn't what I want
• 3073[16:19:01] <themill> in fact, if you understand autotools, then d/rules is just %:\n\tdh % %@
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• 3075[16:19:25] <themill> it's only for the muppets that think that npm is the word in packaging that you need to do anything more
• 3076[16:19:25] <dgarstang> and it's weird to me, to have the source files right next to debian/. They should be one directory above, in the root directory
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• 3078[16:19:51] <greycat> debian/ IS in the root directory, of the packaged source tree.
• 3079[16:20:25] <dgarstang> greycat: If it is the root directory, lets say /home/foo, then when the build finsihes, the deb file will be in /home. That's not very practical
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• 3083[16:20:52] <greycat> No, the root directory OF THE SOURCE TREE. Which is created when you extract the tarball.
• 3084[16:20:53] <themill> /home/foo is a user's directory, not the root of a project
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• 3086[16:21:12] <dgarstang> There is no tarball.
• 3087[16:21:22] <themill> there has to be
• 3088[16:21:27] <themill> perhaps it would be good to look at a simple example, such as "hello" or "hello-debhelper"
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• 3090[16:21:40] <dgarstang> hello is a?
• 3091[16:21:49] <themill> ,v hello
• 3092[16:21:50] <judd> Package: hello on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6-1; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6-1+deb6u1; wheezy: 2.8-2; jessie-security: 2.9-2+deb8u1; jessie: 2.9-2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.10-1; sid: 2.10-1
• 3093[16:21:59] <dgarstang> if there was a really simple package I could look at , that would be helpful too
• 3094[16:22:16] <themill> there's 30k packages to look at and most are simple
• 3095[16:22:26] <greycat> 43k according to the web page
• 3096[16:22:35] <dgarstang> greycat: siiiiimple
• 3097[16:22:41] <dgarstang> as in ONE line in Makefile
• 3098[16:22:42] <themill> 25k
• 3099[16:23:05] <greycat> well, source packages vs. binary packages. The web page doesn't give both numbers.
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• 3101[16:23:14] <themill> replaced-url
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• 3105[16:24:19] <dgarstang> 'apt-get source hello'.... That's hardly simple
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• 3108[16:24:47] <dgarstang> The rules file is 76 lines
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• 3111[16:25:13] <dgarstang> There's no Makefile, but Makefile.in and Makefile.am. Don't know what those are.
• 3112[16:25:22] <dgarstang> Is there something simopler than hello?
• 3113[16:25:29] <greycat> They are the templates from which autoconf builds Makefile
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• 3115[16:25:42] <dgarstang> I don't need autoconf. :(
• 3116[16:25:48] * themill did suggest hello-debhelper
• 3117[16:25:58] <greycat> More specifically, automake turns Makefile.am into Makefile.in, and autoconf creates configure, and configure turns Makefile.in into Makefile
• 3118[16:25:59] <themill> You do need something that fulfils that interface
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• 3120[16:26:32] <dgarstang> ok, so hello-debhelper doesn't copy any files, which is the example I need
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• 3122[16:26:47] <dgarstang> themill: I can't just have a simple Makefile?
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• 3124[16:26:59] <themill> If you don't have an upstream Makefile that installs files into the right place then you need a d/rules that does so. You don't get out of doing the work somewhere
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• 3126[16:27:19] <dgarstang> themill: either one works for me
• 3127[16:27:24] <themill> sure, Makefile is fine, you have to have something that does something
• 3128[16:27:32] <dgarstang> themill: yah, copy some files
• 3129[16:28:29] <dgarstang> so, those two projects that I just grabbed have debian/ in their root directory. However, the build command I've used puts the deb file one directory above where it was called, effectively putting the file outside the project
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• 3132[16:30:07] <dgarstang> I just can't spend any more time on this. I am going to have to use fpm, and maybe months down the road, convert to a proper package
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• 3134[16:30:19] <dgarstang> ... like when I have several weeks to work on it
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• 3137[16:34:14] <dgarstang> 'fpm -s dir -t deb -C src -n slice-bootstrap -v 1.0'.... done
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• 3168[16:47:41] <durango> Any idea why apt-get install imagemagick=8:6.7.7.10-5+deb7u6 wont overwrite whatever is currently located (due to update-alternatives) even though update-alternatives —query image shows 0 results (so I don't think I'm "pinning this" in anyway) Im currently on wheezt
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• 3174[16:51:02] <durango> apologies, had a local version installed under /usr/local/bin
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• 3207[17:11:23] <greycat> OK, I have now built a package out of a set of scripts, from absolute scratch, using replaced-url
• 3208[17:11:40] <greycat> It sure as hell isn't pretty. The copyright file is a mess.
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• 3211[17:12:01] <greycat> But it installs the files in the right place when I "dpkg -i" it.
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• 3213[17:13:15] <nacc> dgncn: why would the build put the .deb n the current directory?
• 3214[17:13:31] <nacc> dgncn: apologies, dgarstang left :/
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• 3232[17:23:11] <Xat`> themill: I find a squashfs install.img into the ISO
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• 3234[17:23:16] <jeremiahmalina> can anyone recommend a good VPN client?
• 3235[17:23:20] <Xat`> which contains binaries I need
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• 3237[17:23:33] <Xat`> everything is ok ;) anyway thank
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• 3239[17:24:13] <G1eb> heya, a question about locales, I want to use mosh and it requires LC_CTYPE to be set to en_US.UTF-8, but when I export that var it does not stick
• 3240[17:24:15] <G1eb> replaced-url
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• 3258[17:36:39] <G1eb> help! i need somebody, help! not just anybodyyy
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• 3273[17:39:41] <sm00th> I think i still have that bug of systemd trying to start encrypted swap even though its already started in debian 8.5 stable
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• 3294[17:49:19] <greycat> G1eb: which version of Debian is this?
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• 3296[17:50:25] <greycat> G1eb: I can't reproduce this. Also, if this is in bash, try: declare -p "${!LC_*}"
• 3297[17:50:31] <fredl> hey guys, I upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie. Roundcube is no longer supported so I installed the tarball and configured it, one thing I'm stuck on however is 'Class 'PDO' not found in /opt/roundcube/program/lib/Roundcube/rcube_db_mysql.php on line 144'
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• 3303[17:51:03] <fredl> It's not really a roundcube problem but PDO problem, which should be supported I believe
• 3304[17:51:14] <markybob> fredl: why? it's in jessie-backports
• 3305[17:51:23] <markybob> ,v roundcube
• 3306[17:51:24] <judd> Package: roundcube on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-security-lts: 0.3.1-6+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 0.7.2-9~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u2; wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u2; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 0.9.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 0.9.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-backports: 1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.2.0+dfsg.1-1; stretch: 1.2.0+dfsg.1-1
• 3307[17:51:24] <fredl> Oh is it??
• 3308[17:51:38] <fredl> excellent, the maintainer changed his mind then?
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• 3316[17:54:34] <jelly> fredl: is php5-mysql installed?
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• 3319[17:55:17] <jelly> are you on 1.0 branch or 1.1 or even the latestest
• 3320[17:55:49] <jelly> 1.0 -> 1.1 breaks things; I assume going to 1.2 will need some fixing as well
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• 3326[17:56:42] <fredl> jelly, yup
• 3327[17:56:43] <jelly> fredl: backports do not have official security support or even an upgrade path, only best effort
• 3328[17:57:12] <fredl> I'm aware of backports jelly, used them in the past
• 3329[17:57:15] <jelly> so no, it's still rather unsupported
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• 3331[17:57:55] <jelly> we're still at latest 1.0.x here :-\
• 3332[17:57:59] <fredl> Well an unsupported package is still better IMO than installing a tarball and forgetting about it in a few months
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• 3336[17:58:34] <jelly> fredl: or install the tarball and subscribe to upstream's fucking releases list
• 3337[17:58:46] <fredl> :)
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• 3340[17:59:07] <fredl> mwah, maybe, lemme see what's working better
• 3341[17:59:14] <fredl> dinnertime now, ciao
• 3342[17:59:48] <jelly> replaced-url
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• 3364[18:11:02] <buscon> hi
• 3365[18:11:15] <buscon> how can list the information of an installed package?
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• 3369[18:11:50] <afernandez_> apt-cache policy package
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• 3372[18:12:20] <buscon> afernandez_, thx
• 3373[18:12:26] <afernandez_> OK
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• 3388[18:20:20] <sm00th> hey guys, how do i completely get rid of nvidia from my system
• 3389[18:20:35] <sm00th> i tried to apt-get purge nvidia* removed blacklists and file from modprobe.d
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• 3392[18:20:59] <sm00th> I'm on nouveau right now, but when trying to stinall this patched prop driver from nvidia its still saying its on my system
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• 3409[18:25:49] <G1eb> greycat, hee what is declare supposed to do? it said that it's not found
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• 3411[18:26:06] <G1eb> also, it said Debian GNU/Linux 8
• 3412[18:26:21] <G1eb> 8.4 to be precise
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• 3415[18:26:56] <greycat> G1eb: if declare -p says "command not found" then you aren't in bash, so we'll have to find another way to get the values of all those variables
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• 3417[18:27:16] <greycat> G1eb: perhaps something like: env | grep -E 'LANG|LC_'
• 3418[18:27:28] <G1eb> ah, 1 sec
• 3419[18:27:28] <greycat> but declare -p's output would have been so much nicer
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• 3422[18:28:06] <G1eb> that output is the same as when I run locale replaced-url
• 3423[18:28:29] <greycat> Really? You get all of LC_NUMERIC and LC_TIME and so on from env?!
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• 3425[18:28:33] <greycat> That is highly unusual.
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• 3428[18:29:08] <G1eb> uhm, might have exported them by mistake when copy/pasting a minute ago
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• 3430[18:29:22] <greycat> Start a clean shell and try again.
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• 3432[18:29:34] <G1eb> okay
• 3433[18:29:56] <G1eb> nah still the same, weird
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• 3435[18:30:12] <greycat> What shell are you working in, and how are these variables getting set?
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• 3437[18:30:38] <G1eb> that's what I think too, that they get reset somehow
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• 3439[18:30:53] <G1eb> i mean, whats the best way to check which shell it is?
• 3440[18:30:56] <greycat> They are NOT normall all set.
• 3441[18:30:58] <G1eb> it think it's just bash
• 3442[18:31:01] <greycat> ps -p $$
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• 3445[18:31:16] <G1eb> cmd is bash
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• 3447[18:31:33] <greycat> declare -p LANG "${!LC_*}"
• 3448[18:31:45] <G1eb> isn't it strange that when I do locale -a it prints en_US.utf8 instead of en_US.UTF-8
• 3449[18:31:53] <greycat> Everything you have said is strange.
• 3450[18:32:12] <G1eb> then I get this replaced-url
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• 3452[18:32:31] <G1eb> L/
• 3453[18:32:33] <G1eb> :/
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• 3456[18:33:00] <sm00th> I did dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia
• 3457[18:33:08] <sm00th> but even though i'm puring all that stuff its still there
• 3458[18:33:39] <greycat> Oh, I screwed that command slightly. It should have been: declare -p LANG "${!LC_@}"
• 3459[18:33:41] <sm00th> oh maybe i have to do autoremove
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• 3462[18:34:10] <G1eb> greycat, omg, replaced-url
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• 3464[18:34:13] <G1eb> wuuutt
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• 3466[18:34:43] <greycat> G1eb: yeah, those are actually present in your shell's environment. For some reason. Trick now is to learn why.
• 3467[18:34:50] <G1eb> Im in with mosh! that just works ffs
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• 3470[18:35:07] <G1eb> wow, that's weird, let me grep locale in bashrc
• 3471[18:35:08] <greycat> Maybe mosh is setting them.
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• 3473[18:35:45] <G1eb> hmm, wouldnt that be an issue for other processes? or you mean mosh hijacked locale command
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• 3475[18:36:04] <greycat> I am not familiar with mosh. It's some kind of ssh wrapper, right?
• 3476[18:36:10] <G1eb> sooo strange, but I guess that's another issue now, mosh connection works :) I'm really happe
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• 3478[18:36:13] <G1eb> happy
• 3479[18:36:19] <G1eb> crappy connections suck in here
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• 3481[18:36:24] <G1eb> thank you so much!! :D
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• 3484[18:36:58] <G1eb> yeah, mosh is a wrapper for ssh, it makes your connection seem realtime
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• 3487[18:37:12] <G1eb> useful when you do lots of vim over bad connections
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• 3491[18:37:50] <greycat> Well, ssh will generally permit the LANG and LC_* variables to be passed from client to server, so if the client is setting them....
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• 3499[18:38:28] <G1eb> thing is that mosh requires both client and server to have LC_CTYPE setting be UTF-8 based
• 3500[18:38:40] <G1eb> i read that here replaced-url
• 3501[18:38:44] <greycat> Tracking down where a variable came from is not easy.
• 3502[18:38:55] <G1eb> can't agree more
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• 3505[18:39:06] <greycat> #bash may have some tips, but that'll only get you as far back as the launching of bash. If it's coming from the client on a whole 'nother system, that's a matter #bash will not be able to help w ith.
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• 3507[18:39:12] <G1eb> can imagine it feels like a superpower for some people when they are good at that
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• 3509[18:39:42] <G1eb> yeah, I understand, #bash was just my first guess :)
• 3510[18:39:47] <G1eb> thanks for directing me here
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• 3522[18:42:23] <sm00th> ok finally
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• 3535[18:48:36] <greycat> G1eb: One final note, the reason everything is breaking is because of this particular variable: declare -x LC_ALL="C"
• 3536[18:48:40] <greycat> That overrides everything else.
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• 3538[18:49:17] <dAnjou> hi, we have backports enabled on our jessie server and i was able to install python-systemd without explicitly telling apt-get to use backports. this shouldn't be possible. i checked for pinnings but there's no preferences file and nothing in preferences.d. where else should i check?
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• 3540[18:49:51] <G1eb> greycat really
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• 3542[18:49:58] <G1eb> hm, I needed that for something
• 3543[18:50:25] <greycat> LC_ALL overrides everything, and LANG is the default for the ones that are not otherwise set. So it's like LC_ALL >> everything else >> LANG
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• 3545[18:50:43] <G1eb> interesting, it was in my bash rc for some reason
• 3546[18:50:57] <G1eb> well, that explains
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• 3548[18:52:18] <greycat> The usual way this is done is to set LANG to your preferred locale, and then set individual LC_* variables if needed for a specific reason. Don't use LC_ALL unless it's in a script or something, and you want to totally override the user's locale so you get the output you need from some utility.
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• 3557[18:53:57] <greycat> On my HP-UX box I have LANG="en_US.iso88591" and LC_TIME="POSIX"
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• 3559[18:54:41] <greycat> I did this because the output of date(1) is incredibly weird:
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• 3561[18:54:46] <greycat> imadev:~$ LC_TIME=en_US.iso88591 date
• 3562[18:54:46] <greycat> Fri, Jun 17, 2016 12:54:19 PM
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• 3564[18:55:25] <greycat> imadev:~$ LC_TIME=POSIX date
• 3565[18:55:25] <greycat> Fri Jun 17 12:55:22 EDT 2016
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• 3568[18:56:27] <nacc> greycat: incredibly weird meaning commas? :)
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• 3570[18:56:42] <greycat> The commas, and the 12 hour notation, and the reordering of the fields.
• 3571[18:56:55] <greycat> And the omission of the time zone abbreviation.
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• 3575[18:58:26] <nacc> greycat: yeah, i guess it's noticeably different
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• 3579[18:59:13] <sm00th> dam after all that it failed to build module :(
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• 3590[19:02:36] <G1eb> greycat good stuff
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• 3593[19:02:53] <G1eb> thanks for explaining that :)
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• 3616[19:09:33] <user234> It's possible to somehow configure terminal, that after Xtimes of same output crtl+x would be pressed ?
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• 3620[19:10:50] <sm00th> anybody have any luck install nvidia prop drivers with a grsec kernel?
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• 3622[19:12:06] <allure> Problems upgrading... replaced-url
• 3623[19:13:56] <somiaj> allure: can you share the output of 'apt-cache policy'
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• 3628[19:15:40] <allure> somiaj: sure... here you go: replaced-url
• 3629[19:15:51] <somiaj> allure: that looks like the stable version. Maybe it is corrupt, try to delete that file in /var/apt/archives/ then redownload it
• 3630[19:16:06] <greycat> that's /var/cache/apt/archives/
• 3631[19:16:20] <somiaj> thanks greycat
• 3632[19:16:26] <allure> somiaj: I've done that with dconf2*
• 3633[19:16:32] <allure> didn't solve the problem, unfortunately :(
• 3634[19:16:47] <allure> gconf2**
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• 3636[19:17:04] <somiaj> allure: try a different mirror. And you may want to use 'jessie' over 'stable' in your soruces.list
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• 3638[19:17:21] <allure> somiaj: ok, I will
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• 3645[19:21:25] <allure> somiaj: same deal... :/
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• 3647[19:22:26] <somiaj> allure: that seems weird to me, don't know why a stable package woudl have such an error. I do notice it talks about a directory /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/ but unsure what this directory is
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• 3649[19:22:47] <sm00th> I give up, I think the patch is broken.
• 3650[19:23:16] <allure> somiaj: it is temporary, I guess, since it does not exist now
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• 3652[19:24:13] <allure> if I use file to test it, I get: /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/control: ERROR: cannot open `/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/control' (No such file or directory)
• 3653[19:24:32] <greycat> well obviously if it doesn't exist, you're going to get that
• 3654[19:24:42] <allure> yeah
• 3655[19:24:49] <somiaj> allure: yea that is what I thought since I don't have it on my system. The part that seems strange to me is you are getting this error in stable.
• 3656[19:25:12] <allure> somiaj: I am trying to upgrade an old box, that might be it
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• 3658[19:25:24] <somiaj> allure: from what version of debian?
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• 3660[19:25:36] <allure> somiaj: 6
• 3661[19:25:46] <somiaj> allure: you can't skip releases, did you upgrade to wheezy first?
• 3662[19:25:47] <greycat> *blink*
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• 3664[19:26:06] <allure> no, I didnt change the sources and tried apt-get upgrade first
• 3665[19:26:10] <allure> it broke on the same thing
• 3666[19:26:13] <allure> then I tried dist-upgrade
• 3667[19:26:15] <allure> same...
• 3668[19:26:20] <greycat> allure: you have to upgrade to wheezy, then to jessie.
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• 3670[19:26:48] <allure> greycat: ok, I will do that then. Thank you and somiaj
• 3671[19:27:04] <greycat> Hopefully you didn't permanently muck it up so that it can't upgrade to wheezy. :(
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• 3676[19:28:05] <user234> It's possible to somehow configure terminal, that after Xtimes of same output crtl+x would be pressed ?
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• 3703[19:39:30] <tobiasBora> Hello,
• 3704[19:39:38] <sm00th> Hi!!
• 3705[19:39:46] <taylan> with android-tools-adb I can't detect my Nexus 5 in 'adb devices'. USB debugging is enabled on the device, and I tried kill-server/start-server. anyone have experience with this?
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• 3711[19:40:35] <sm00th> taylan, does it mount normally in debian without adb?
• 3712[19:40:40] <fredl> hmm quite some things seem changed with PHP in jessie as well
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• 3714[19:41:14] <taylan> sm00th: hm, which device would I mount from /dev?
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• 3717[19:41:28] <fredl> I'm trying again to get roundcube to work but I'm not sure if Apache PHP did or didn't load pdo_mysql
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• 3722[19:41:48] <tobiasBora> I'm playing with KVM, however I have some questions about it. I would like to "cache" the creation of a VM, because installing a new distribution uses useless network ressources, is long... So here is my question : what is the conventionnal way to use KVM in order to be able to fastly create new VM ?
• 3723[19:42:06] <fredl> on replaced-url
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• 3725[19:42:31] <fredl> however, I don't see pdo_mysql in the Loaded modules list
• 3726[19:42:37] <sm00th> taylan, i never used it on debian, wonder if you have to make a udev rule
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• 3728[19:42:49] <taylan> indeed, probably something like that
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• 3730[19:43:18] <fredl> jelly, would you mind having a look at my phpinfo() ?
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• 3734[19:44:13] <fredl> I did find php5enmod pdo_mysql but it doesn't tell me anything
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• 3743[19:46:00] <taylan> sm00th: yup, this did it: replaced-url
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• 3745[19:46:19] <jelly> fredl: restart apache if you're using mod_php
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• 3748[19:46:30] <fredl> I did that
• 3749[19:46:32] <sm00th> taylan, sweet
• 3750[19:47:09] <fredl> jelly, shouldn't it show the pdo_mysql in the 'Loaded Modules' list though?
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• 3754[19:48:03] <jelly> fredl: unsure, I did not work with pdo_* stuff a lot
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• 3756[19:48:16] <fredl> hmm, k
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• 3760[19:49:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
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• 3766[19:50:36] <fredl> ah, I understand, what I see under 'Loaded Modules' is about Apache, not about PHP
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• 3773[19:52:45] <qis> Is there a way to configure sshd so that an SSH session is automatically closed when I execute halt -p like on FreeBSD?
• 3774[19:53:08] <jelly> fredl: yeah, my phpinfo shows a PDO section and pdo_mysql section that you seem to be missing
• 3775[19:53:20] <qis> I'm always stuck with an ssh that waits for a timeout.
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• 3777[19:53:57] <fredl> jelly, I'm trying to weed out some stuff now that may be leftover from my wheezy install, I had implemented the php5enmod mechanism myself at some point
• 3778[19:54:00] <jelly> fredl: and a /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/10-pdo.ini
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• 3780[19:54:25] <jelly> so make sure pdo extension is active
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• 3782[19:54:51] <fredl> you have that file on yours?
• 3783[19:54:58] <jelly> right
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• 3785[19:55:13] <fredl> don't know which pkg that's in then, apt-file doesn't find it
• 3786[19:55:18] <jelly> but this is still wheezy
• 3787[19:55:23] <fredl> ahh ok
• 3788[19:55:26] <somiaj> qis: when I use shutdown -h now, my termainls get closed (if I recall correctly, I do this rarely)
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• 3790[19:55:32] <fredl> can you run a dpkg -S on it plz?
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• 3792[19:55:43] <jelly> fredl: those are all symlinks
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• 3794[19:57:02] <fredl> aha php -m to the rescue
• 3795[19:57:13] <fredl> PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20131226/pdo_mysql.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20131226/pdo_mysql.so: undefined symbol: pdo_parse_params in Unknown on line 0
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• 3801[19:58:51] <qis> somiaj: Nevermind, I found the corresponding bug #751636 from 2014. Looks like it won't be fixed, ever. People prefer dirty workarounds.
• 3802[19:58:52] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3805[19:59:41] <greycat> There are lots of things systemd breaks that haven't been fixed yet, because apparently it's Quite Difficult.
• 3806[20:00:00] <qis> *sigh*
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• 3808[20:00:12] <qis> You people should have stayed away from it.
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• 3811[20:00:31] <somiaj> qis: I just tested it with shutdown -h now on a jessie system (vm) with systemd and it worked as expected
• 3812[20:00:35] <greycat> !jessie sysvinit
• 3813[20:00:35] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: replaced-url
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• 3816[20:02:23] <qis> somiaj: I also tested it on Debian 8 - doesn't work.
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• 3818[20:03:44] <qis> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 3821[20:04:58] <somiaj> qis: not saying it isn't a bug, but it seems it doesn't effect all systems.
• 3822[20:05:22] <sm00th> qis, hmm thats weird
• 3823[20:05:41] <qis> greycat: This is not very encouraging "Be advised that some packages may have degraded behavior or may be lacking features under a non-default init system."
• 3824[20:05:47] <fredl> jelly, looks to me like a bug in php5-mysql
• 3825[20:05:51] <sm00th> I don't ssh into any debian system, but I do to raspian on a rasp pi and it works like it should.
• 3826[20:06:07] <greycat> qis: Don't know what I can say. Things change.
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• 3828[20:06:24] <greycat> systemd is very new in Debian, and will probably improve over the years to come.
• 3829[20:06:31] <greycat> Right now it's a bit rough.
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• 3834[20:06:54] <qis> Any news on when the systemd-free debian fork is going to have a stable release?
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• 3836[20:07:03] <greycat> You could ask them.
• 3837[20:07:10] <somiaj> qis: you will have to ask them, this is the place for debian support.
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• 3839[20:07:16] <qis> Is it a fork or a successor?
• 3840[20:07:22] <qis> ok
• 3841[20:07:29] <greycat> A fork.
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• 3844[20:07:45] <sm00th> systemd does it make it easier to manager services i find though. but it has lots of bugs.
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• 3849[20:08:16] <greycat> Yeah, I love the process management part (a bit overengineered, but WAY better than sysvinit), but the rest of it... why. Just why.
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• 3852[20:08:25] <sm00th> ya
• 3853[20:08:32] <jelly> qis: ask them in #debianfork
• 3854[20:08:37] <somiaj> systemd has its pros and cons, there is a good email explaining why debian chose to adopt it I can link if anyone is interested, but this isn't the place to debate why systemd is in debian.
• 3855[20:08:53] <greycat> !why systemd
• 3856[20:08:53] <dpkg> a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at replaced-url
• 3857[20:08:58] <greycat> That one, I would assume.
• 3858[20:08:59] <qis> jelly: Not #devuan? both channels look kind of empty.
• 3859[20:09:03] <somiaj> greycat: correct
• 3860[20:09:06] <sm00th> somiaj, i wouldn't mind reading that
• 3861[20:09:14] <somiaj> sm00th: see the link from the bot
• 3862[20:09:25] <jelly> qis: #devuan is the channel for their developers, #debianfork is for users and chat
• 3863[20:09:55] <fredl> no love here for systemd :(
• 3864[20:10:12] <sm00th> I love some things hate others.
• 3865[20:10:23] <somiaj> fredl: the people who don't mind it are just quiet, so it seems one sided.
• 3866[20:10:24] <qis> jelly: Thanks for the clarification.
• 3867[20:10:36] <jelly> systemd is nice, and in 5-10 years it will have a similar amount of workarounds for a billion corner cases just like the old thing
• 3868[20:10:51] <fredl> well people always complain when something changes somiaj :)
• 3869[20:10:56] <fredl> it's natural
• 3870[20:10:56] <jelly> until then, people will keep running into those corner cases all too often
• 3871[20:11:16] <somiaj> and it is better to try to find a workaround as opposed to complain about it.
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• 3874[20:11:33] <fredl> I'm not complaining
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• 3876[20:11:48] <fredl> just saying that from a user perspective there's no love here :)
• 3877[20:11:49] <jelly> and maybe I'm going to move off sysvinit+daemontools given enough time and lack of laziness
• 3878[20:12:03] <qis> I suspect that most people don't mind change. Anything but systemd would be nice. Anything that is an init system and not... a windows fork?
• 3879[20:12:21] <fredl> that said, I installed the mate desktop because I feel GNOME 3 is becoming progressively worse
• 3880[20:12:22] <jelly> qis: please don't
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• 3882[20:14:31] <qis> fine =)
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• 3884[20:15:04] <cruncher> fredl, i dont like systemd either, but we have to live with it
• 3885[20:15:13] <qis> I'll go back to my usual channels. Looks like my problem is not solvable in a clean way anyway.
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• 3889[20:16:00] <fredl> well I don't *have to* do anything cruncher :) But yeah the systemd thingie seems to be making inroads into every distro
• 3890[20:16:02] <sm00th> qis its weird you are having that problem.
• 3891[20:16:10] <greycat> sm00th: he left
• 3892[20:16:11] <jelly> sm00th: they're gone
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• 3894[20:16:20] <cruncher> fredl, well, you "have to" if you want to have support
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• 3897[20:16:42] <fredl> for sysv init I don't need support though :)
• 3898[20:16:50] <petn-randall> cruncher: As already said, you can run wheezy and jessie completely fine without systemd.
• 3899[20:16:54] <jelly> there's 2 or 3 workarounds in #751636, if they prefer to pout instead of solving their issue, that's just fine and can be done elsewhere
• 3900[20:16:55] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3902[20:17:18] <fredl> but be that as may be, somebody will put an API into systemd and make the whole distro dependent on it, sort of like an evolution data server :P
• 3903[20:17:20] <cruncher> petn-randall, yes, but for how long.. someday we all have to switch to systemd apparently
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• 3906[20:17:57] <jelly> fredl: I would not mind that at all if they cared to define stable APIs.
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• 3909[20:18:31] <fredl> jelly, just reading this article because of this discussion replaced-url
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• 3911[20:18:35] <petn-randall> cruncher: As long as there are enough technical people interested in supporting sysv init, it will still be there. But it seems as though many people complain, but most people don't want to support sysv init anymore.
• 3912[20:18:36] <fredl> makes me chuckle
• 3913[20:19:05] <fredl> I'm telling ya, Microsoft has embraced evolution, gnome 3, unity and systemd
• 3914[20:19:06] <cruncher> petn-randall, ok, last time i mentioned something like this i got the answer "just dont expect much sympathy when you need support"
• 3915[20:19:16] <fredl> anyway, off-topic
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• 3917[20:19:21] <cruncher> true
• 3918[20:19:24] <jelly> #debian-offtopic
• 3919[20:19:35] <petn-randall> cruncher: Did you rant on about systemd before asking your question? If yes, that's the usual response.
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• 3921[20:19:49] <sm00th> jelly, ah
• 3922[20:19:51] <petn-randall> Yeah, let's move it over, sorry.
• 3923[20:19:53] <cruncher> petn-randall, no, i never rant about anything :)
• 3924[20:20:04] <cruncher> true
• 3925[20:20:05] <sm00th> I wonder now if raspian uses systemd
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• 3929[20:20:54] <somiaj> sm00th: this of course is not the place to ask about raspbian's plans
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• 3931[20:20:57] <magyar_> hi, I'm trying to install amd64 packages over the 686 and getting these errors >> replaced-url
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• 3934[20:21:18] <sm00th> somiaj, lol i was waiting for you to say that
• 3935[20:22:28] <greycat> magyar: the only supported way to move from i386 to amd64 is a reinstall
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• 3937[20:23:00] <magyar> greycat: >> replaced-url
• 3938[20:24:03] <greycat> "A full backup is also strongly recommended as this procedure is still very much work in progress. Reinstalling is still the safer option. You have been warned!"
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• 4028[21:03:38] <sm00th> i'm trying to load this gui app with sudo but it tells me cannot connect to X server, do i need gksudo or something?
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• 4030[21:04:13] <sm00th> ya that did it
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• 4033[21:05:44] <mtn> sm00th: never run gui apps with sudo. never.
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• 4038[21:06:41] <sm00th> mtn, its for pgl
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• 4040[21:07:10] <mtn> smonchi: what does that mean?
• 4041[21:07:32] <sm00th> peerguardian
• 4042[21:08:02] <mtn> sm00th: if it is a gui app, never use sudo. you ruin your permissions/ownership
• 4043[21:08:12] <sm00th> I use it to click with mouse to temp allow ip addresses on the fly
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• 4045[21:08:33] <mtn> sm00th: do you not understand what I am saying?
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• 4047[21:08:42] <somiaj> It will expose you to more exploits, though there are gui admin tools that require it (for some strange reason). as for gksudo vs sudo, gksudo doens't clean the enivorment up as much as sudo so it can more sucsefully run gui apps as root.
• 4048[21:09:02] <sm00th> i have no choice
• 4049[21:09:08] <greycat> If an admin tool has to be run as root, and requires X, then there are ways to make it run, but they're all hacks.
• 4050[21:09:23] <greycat> If you found one that works, fine, use that.
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• 4052[21:09:39] <mtn> sm00th: you can use gksudo can't you?
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• 4054[21:09:49] <sm00th> thats what i just said I did
• 4055[21:10:08] <rattking> 'xhost +' might allow it to connect to the x server.. but the folks above are correct about permissions getting messed up.. meaning files in your home dir may end up being owned by root
• 4056[21:10:18] <mtn> sm00th: you just said you had no choice but to use sudo. you do have a choice. gksudo, which is the correct way to do it
• 4057[21:10:22] <greycat> NEVER USE xhost +
• 4058[21:10:26] <greycat> That is not one of the valid choices.
• 4059[21:10:34] <greycat> Use ANYTHING else.
• 4060[21:10:49] <sm00th> sudo didn't work. so now i'm using gksudo
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• 4063[21:11:04] <rattking> on a single user system whats the problem?
• 4064[21:11:13] <greycat> Single user systems usually sit on a network.
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• 4066[21:11:24] <somiaj> sm00th: that is because sudo cleans the enviorment (including info about the xdisplay) before running. gksudo doesn't clean out the info about x in the enviorment.
• 4067[21:11:27] <greycat> xhost + lets the entire network control your X session
• 4068[21:11:52] <rattking> oh yeah that not good
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• 4070[21:12:25] <greycat> !root x
• 4071[21:12:25] <dpkg> If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>! (For wheezy, you can also try <sux>)
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• 4074[21:13:00] <sm00th> ya i just installed gksu
• 4075[21:13:13] <sm00th> and used gksudo, here is a question. whats better gksu or gksudo?
• 4076[21:13:39] <petn-randall> sm00th: Look at both, and decide which works better for you.
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• 4079[21:14:01] <sm00th> petn-randall, not sure what you mean
• 4080[21:14:05] <sm00th> which is more secure?
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• 4082[21:14:23] <somiaj> sm00th: it is the su vs sudo case. I wouldn't say one is more secure than another.
• 4083[21:14:58] <sm00th> it some distros it defaults to one or the other anyways, i'm guessing debian doesn't so there might be an actual difference.
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• 4085[21:15:05] <taylan> grr, I need adb 1.0.32 but debian has exactly 1.0.31 -_-
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• 4090[21:16:13] <somiaj> sm00th: replaced-url
• 4091[21:16:29] <sm00th> ubuntu is one of those distros that default to sudo I think
• 4092[21:16:38] <petn-randall> sm00th: The difference is that some people prefer the one over the other. What I mean is install both, look what you like more, and use that.
• 4093[21:16:48] <sm00th> petn-randall, gksudo comes with gksu package
• 4094[21:16:57] <somiaj> well they are both part of the same package, it is just a matter of how root permisions are obtained.
• 4095[21:17:45] <somiaj> taylan: what is the package name, the only adb I'm seeing are in testing/unstable and are version 6.0.1 (I don' tsee any versions in stable)
• 4096[21:17:59] <taylan> somiaj: android-tools-adb
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• 4099[21:18:32] <sm00th> somiaj, in ubuntu i beleve gksu default to gksudo
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• 4101[21:18:54] <somiaj> sm00th: I bet the same is links in debian as well. It is a matter on if you login(1) as root then run the app, or just run the app as root.
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• 4103[21:19:13] <somiaj> taylan: I am still not seeing the version you mentioned
• 4104[21:19:16] <sm00th> ya probably same thing.
• 4105[21:19:20] <somiaj> ,v andriod-tools-adb
• 4106[21:19:21] <judd> No package named 'andriod-tools-adb' was found in amd64.
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• 4108[21:19:30] <somiaj> ,v android-tools-adb
• 4109[21:19:31] <judd> Package: android-tools-adb on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 4.2.2+git20130529-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.2.2+git20130529-5.1; sid: 5.1.1.r29-2
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• 4111[21:19:53] <taylan> oh, the version reported by 'adb version' is probably unrelated to the debian package version
• 4112[21:20:25] <taylan> anyway I found some executable online... yeah, I'm down to the level of running ELF executables I download with my browser now ;_;
• 4113[21:20:25] <somiaj> taylan: okay, I don't know the software, but usually the debian version should match the upstream version (with then debian revsions attached)
• 4114[21:20:34] <somiaj> ,check-backport adb
• 4115[21:20:40] <judd> Backporting package adb in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: android-libext4-utils-dev (>= 6.0.1+r16-2) [amd64 i386] <!stage1>, android-libf2fs-utils-dev (>= 6.0.1+r16-2) [amd64 i386] <!stage1>, android-libunwind-dev (>= 6.0.1+r16-3) [amd64 i386] <!stage1>, android-platform-build-headers (>= 1:6.0.1+r16~), libsafe-iop-dev [amd64 i386] <!stage1>.
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• 4117[21:20:52] <taylan> at least it werks now. cyanogenmod is being installed to my device.
• 4118[21:20:57] <somiaj> taylan: it looks like it won't be an easy package to backport.
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• 4122[21:21:43] <taylan> yaay, it boots into cyanogenmod. cute blue droid head.
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• 4124[21:21:51] <kfogel> somiaj: Your instructions from yesterday worked perfectly -- my bootable USB is now installing Debian GNU/Linux on a new computer. Thanks for your help.
• 4125[21:21:59] <somiaj> kfogel: glad it worked.
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• 4136[21:25:47] <sm00th> another gui app I run as root is etherape
• 4137[21:25:57] <sm00th> its probably very vulnerable since its deprecated as well lol
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• 4196[21:53:55] <fredl> hmm it looks like /usr/lib/php5/20131226/pdo_mysql.so needs a 'linux-vdso.so.1
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• 4198[21:55:09] <greycat> Search packages.debian.org for packages containing this file?
• 4199[21:55:22] <fredl> I ued apt-file, it can't find it
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• 4201[21:56:01] <fredl> I wonder if that causes the error PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20131226/pdo_mysql.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20131226/pdo_mysql.so: undefined symbol: pdo_parse_params in Unknown on line 0
• 4202[21:56:08] <fredl> doesn't seem likely though
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• 4207[21:58:23] <greycat> $ ldd /bin/ls
• 4208[21:58:23] <greycat> linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffcf0bda000)
• 4209[21:58:31] <greycat> I'm ... not sure what is happening here.
• 4210[21:58:54] <sharkman> i took my computer in to a shop to fix broken hinge on the laptop. they did a system boot, but i dont think logged into my account. can they access my files from a system boot?
• 4211[21:59:04] <greycat> There is a vdso(7) man page too.
• 4212[21:59:07] <fredl> I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with the pdo_mysql error message greycat
• 4213[21:59:08] <sharkman> could they install key logging software from a system boot?
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• 4217[21:59:44] <greycat> If they are black-hat linux experts, yes, conceivably.
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• 4221[22:00:10] <sharkman> greycat so they would have to be high level to do it? these guys are just normal computer guys i have no reason to believe they are experts
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• 4223[22:00:37] <greycat> Your odds are good.
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• 4227[22:01:19] <sharkman> when i got the computer, it was turned off, and turned it on ater 2:30 pm so why when i run the "last" command do i see this
• 4228[22:01:19] <sharkman> reboot system boot 4.5.0-1-amd64 Fri Jun 17 11:32 still running
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• 4230[22:01:40] <sharkman> why is it marked as still running, from a system boot that took place hours ago
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• 4232[22:01:51] <greycat> They probably powered it off.
• 4233[22:01:51] <sharkman> reboot system boot 4.5.0-1-amd64 Fri Jun 17 14:52 still running
• 4234[22:01:59] <sharkman> ohhh
• 4235[22:02:35] <sharkman> so the system thinks it is booted concurrently now cause they powered it off?
• 4236[22:02:49] <greycat> An unclean power-off wouldn't write an entry into wtmp.
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• 4239[22:03:34] <sharkman> sorry another question, what is a system boot in the first place?
• 4240[22:03:49] <greycat> An entry written into wtmp saying "Hi, I was booted at this time"
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• 4276[22:17:31] <magyar> hi, is there a way to do a netboot from a debian DVD?
• 4277[22:17:37] <magyar> sorry net install
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• 4288[22:23:12] <greycat> Net install is the normal way you install. Just pop it in and go.
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• 4294[22:24:05] <greycat> A "netinst" image is simply an image that has this and nothing more. Larger images have some additional packages included on the medium, which *might* save a bit of bandwidth, except for when those packages have been updated on the mirrors and you ignore the medium anyway.
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• 4296[22:24:47] <mrproper> Is it recommended to upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie or is that ridden with danger?
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• 4298[22:25:26] <greycat> I wouldn't say "ridden with danger", but you should certainly be aware of what is going to change.
• 4299[22:25:35] <buu> Ok, low level memory poking time
• 4300[22:25:49] <buu> If I do: pmap $PID; and it returns total 31868K
• 4301[22:25:54] <mrproper> greycat: Is there some sort of upgrade guide?
• 4302[22:26:03] <buu> That means my $PID has requested 31megs from the operating system?
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• 4306[22:26:32] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 4308[22:26:49] <greycat> replace i386 with amd64 if you want to
• 4309[22:26:50] <buu> But linux will share .so allocations between all running processes?
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• 4314[22:28:16] <buu> Why do all shared libs seem to require: 00007fa2f1cff000 2044K ----- libc-2.19.so
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• 4316[22:29:08] <greycat> Because damned near every program links with libc.
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• 4318[22:29:18] <buu> But why specifically 2044k?
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• 4325[22:31:06] <nacc> buu: i assume that it's size?
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• 4331[22:32:10] <greycat> "No standards apply, but pmap looks an awful lot like a SunOS command." ... um, gee, uh....
• 4332[22:32:12] <buu> nacc: Well I mean, every single .so file reports 2044k
• 4333[22:32:26] <buu> greycat: I'll take suggestions!
• 4334[22:32:41] <jelly> greycat: unlike pgrep or pkill!
• 4335[22:33:04] <nacc> buu: for libc-2.19.so ?
• 4336[22:33:28] <buu> nacc: I mean libc, libm, libperl, libcrypt..
• 4337[22:33:42] <greycat> My bash ($$) process map has 4 instances of libc-2.19.so with 4 different sizes and different strings of symbols that vaguely look like ls -l file permissions.
• 4338[22:33:58] <greycat> The man page does not say what a process map IS or how to read this output.
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• 4343[22:34:24] <nacc> greycat: are you asking? i can tell you...
• 4344[22:34:38] * nacc assumes pmap is just looking at /proc/<pid>/maps
• 4345[22:35:18] <buu> This is true
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• 4348[22:37:34] <jelly> buu: presumably amd64 uses 2M-sized pages, and this is simply the minimum size of a map for an amd64 library loaded by ld.so
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• 4350[22:38:15] <jelly> buu: find a running process that uses a library larger than 2MiB on disk, maybe
• 4351[22:39:12] <buu> jelly: Ok
• 4352[22:39:40] <buu> replaced-url
• 4353[22:39:41] <jelly> 00007f544b9dc000 17172K r-x-- libpepflashplayer.so
• 4354[22:39:42] <buu> This is a thing
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• 4356[22:40:23] <nacc> jelly: nice catch
• 4357[22:41:03] <jelly> not really
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• 4361[22:41:47] <jelly> the mapping buu's asking about isn't marked executable or readable. I honestly have no idea what it does
• 4362[22:41:57] <ByteStorm> jelly is there any video recording software for debian ???
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• 4364[22:43:02] <jelly> probably???
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• 4367[22:43:36] <Hijiri> like screen recording?
• 4368[22:43:36] <greycat> Don't ask specific people for answers to a question that should be addressed to the whole channel.
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• 4372[22:44:20] <ByteStorm> srry
• 4373[22:44:32] <buu> Hijiri: ffmpeg
• 4374[22:44:45] <ByteStorm> yeah whole screen recording...like video capturing app
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• 4377[22:45:32] <buu> sorry
• 4378[22:45:36] <buu> ByteStorm: ffmpeg
• 4379[22:45:43] <ByteStorm> ffmpeg is a library....
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• 4381[22:45:49] <ByteStorm> c++ lib
• 4382[22:46:10] <Hijiri> there's also the program ffmpeg
• 4383[22:46:18] <ByteStorm> ah
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• 4400[22:53:04] <arrrrrrrgh> Hello. I just did a minimal Debian install (lxde) and I'm having some trouble getting my wifi card to show up under interfaces. Any clues? :P
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• 4404[22:54:53] <arrrrrrrgh> It looks like the system didn't load the kernel driver for it, which is strange, because when I made a (foolish) attempt to install Arch Linux, wifi worked just fine
• 4405[22:55:11] <greycat> Start by installing the nonfree firmware, if you haven't done that yet.
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• 4408[22:55:31] <bgardner> arrrrrrrgh: I had something similar with an install recently and as greycat says it was nonfree firmware missing in my case.
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• 4410[22:55:46] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, you may need a non-free driver for your wifi card
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• 4412[22:56:00] <greycat> (assuming your device is one that uses nonfree firmware, which most wifi cards do, sadly)
• 4413[22:56:21] <dAnjou> 18:49:16 <dAnjou> hi, we have backports enabled on our jessie server and i was able to install python-systemd without explicitly telling apt-get to use backports. this shouldn't be possible. i checked for pinnings but there's no preferences file and nothing in preferences.d. where else should i check?
• 4414[22:56:28] <arrrrrrrgh> Where do I find this fancy non-free driver, do you reckon?
• 4415[22:56:55] <greycat> package name firmware-linux-nonfree
• 4416[22:57:08] <arrrrrrrgh> Hm, apt search didn't find it last time I checked, but I'll try again
• 4417[22:57:09] <greycat> you'll have to enable contrib non-free in your sources.list if you haven't already done so
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• 4421[22:57:38] <arrrrrrrgh> I found it now :P Clearly I just mistyped it
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• 4425[23:00:40] <arrrrrrrgh> Nope, I found the free one. What is the source for "nonfree" things?
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• 4427[23:01:55] <abrotman> dpkg: tell arrrrrrrgh about non-free
• 4428[23:02:33] <arrrrrrrgh> Google told me, I'm making progress
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• 4430[23:02:58] <arrrrrrrgh> Will it load in automatically on boot or will I need to do fancy things?
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• 4432[23:03:44] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, firmware-linux-nonfree may not include the driver you really need . what says lspci | grep -i wireless ?
• 4433[23:04:29] <arrrrrrrgh> I imagine if it worked on Arch Linux it probably includes the driver, no?
• 4434[23:04:29] <SuperTramp83> arrrrrrrgh, you may also (if you mybe think proprietary firmware is bad) buy an atheros wifi adapter which works without blobs for like 5 bucks
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• 4437[23:05:25] <arrrrrrrgh> I'm not sure such a thing would be convenient, though I agree with the sentiment that firmware should be open source
• 4438[23:05:35] <arrrrrrrgh> Even if for no other reason than security
• 4439[23:05:41] <SuperTramp83> ^
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• 4442[23:07:32] <arrrrrrrgh> I'm really a Windows user, but after Windows 10 started doing ... strange ... things, like not telling me what updates include, not giving me choices about when to update, and constantly beaming information "home" I decided mayyyybe I should get used to developing on Linux. :P
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• 4446[23:08:35] <simonlnu> good choice. a lot easier too, and cheaper, even when making donations.
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• 4448[23:08:42] <SuperTramp83> arrrrrrrgh, I actually read their privacy policy for win 10, recommended read
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• 4450[23:09:17] <arrrrrrrgh> I'm not sure I have that kind of time or energy
• 4451[23:09:28] <kejsi564> Hi, im missing a driver its called brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw
• 4452[23:09:34] <arrrrrrrgh> That sounds like a great driver.
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• 4454[23:09:46] <kejsi564> yes
• 4455[23:09:47] <kejsi564> wifi
• 4456[23:09:51] <kejsi564> not working
• 4457[23:09:57] <simonlnu> that's firmware, not a driver (kernel module)
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• 4459[23:10:03] <kejsi564> yes
• 4460[23:10:05] <simonlnu> !bcm43xx
• 4461[23:10:05] <dpkg> b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. replaced-url
• 4462[23:10:06] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: Network Controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 (rev3a)
• 4463[23:10:17] <simonlnu> kejsi564: ^^^
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• 4465[23:10:33] <kejsi564> ok so its Network Controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 (rev3a)
• 4466[23:10:38] <kejsi564> where can i download this
• 4467[23:10:46] <simonlnu> read that ^^^
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• 4470[23:11:04] <arrrrrrrgh> kejsi564: I wasn't talking to you :P
• 4471[23:11:11] <arrrrrrrgh> kejsi564: I have my own wifi problems :(
• 4472[23:11:15] <jhutchins> !8260
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• 4474[23:11:26] <arrrrrrrgh> SURPRISINGLY, this runs automatically on Arch, I have no clue how they pulled that one off
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• 4476[23:11:42] <simonlnu> they include firmware in their kernels
• 4477[23:11:53] <simonlnu> they don't remove it, rather.
• 4478[23:11:54] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: Figure out what driver they use. Intell is mostly the unified driver these days, but it could be too new.
• 4479[23:11:59] <kejsi564> it says
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• 4481[23:12:01] <kejsi564> An Internet connection is required.
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• 4484[23:12:10] <kejsi564> well the wifi is not working
• 4485[23:12:11] <arrrrrrrgh> So it may actually be *easier* to install Arch than Debian in this case? :P
• 4486[23:12:17] <arrrrrrrgh> Something has gone horribly wrong :P
• 4487[23:12:28] <simonlnu> no
• 4488[23:12:36] * simonlnu goes AFK
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• 4493[23:13:45] <arrrrrrrgh> I think arch might be a safer bet for real life technology than my vms (which I usually run debian minimal or ubuntu server on) :(
• 4494[23:13:46] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: Some of the derivatives are easier to install or to get odd hardware working; they have their own problems that make a little extra effort for Debian worth while.
• 4495[23:14:12] <kejsi564> jhutchins hi
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• 4497[23:14:23] <kejsi564> i runned into another problem
• 4498[23:14:25] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: If you use lspci -nn you can get the pciid, which judd can find the driver for.
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• 4501[23:15:27] <arrrrrrrgh> jhutchins: Is it on the form "wxyz:abcd" in hex?
• 4502[23:15:50] <jhutchins> kejsi564: I see. Read the docs on the cutter.
• 4503[23:15:56] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: Yes.
• 4504[23:16:14] <arrrrrrrgh> How do I obtain the driver for it?
• 4505[23:16:26] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: Like a USB ID that's <manufacturer>:<device>
• 4506[23:16:39] <arrrrrrrgh> Also, is it sad or hilarious that lxde Debian uses less RAM than my phone's operating system?
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• 4508[23:16:41] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: Post the id here, I'll show you.
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• 4510[23:16:56] <arrrrrrrgh> 8086:24f3
• 4511[23:17:09] <jhutchins> ,pciid 8086:24f3
• 4512[23:17:10] <judd> [8086:24f3] is 'Wireless 8260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 4514[23:17:40] <arrrrrrrgh> There's no driver. D:
• 4515[23:17:43] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: I'm not sure I trust that.
• 4516[23:17:58] <nacc> that seems odd, neither of those are wireless drivers (afaik)
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• 4519[23:18:39] <arrrrrrrgh> Oh god, I'm going to have to use ndiswrapper for this, aren't I?
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• 4521[23:18:55] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: iwlwifi
• 4522[23:19:01] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: Nope, supported.
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• 4524[23:19:17] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: replaced-url
• 4525[23:19:24] <arrrrrrrgh> Got it, installed it
• 4526[23:19:28] <arrrrrrrgh> I really like apt's search feature
• 4527[23:19:29] <sm00th> arrrrrrrgh, replaced-url
• 4528[23:19:36] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, found the driver you need yet or not?
• 4529[23:19:40] <sm00th> jhutchins, oh you beat me
• 4530[23:19:43] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: Good question :P
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• 4533[23:19:53] <awwal> yes or no?
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• 4535[23:20:05] <arrrrrrrgh> I really don't know if I have it or not, I just installed iwlwifi
• 4536[23:20:11] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: "Non-free firmware is required, which can be provided by installing the firmware-iwlwifi package."
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• 4538[23:20:25] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: You will probably need to enable non-free in your sources.list
• 4539[23:20:29] <arrrrrrrgh> I did
• 4540[23:20:31] <awwal> firmware-iwlwifi is what you need I guess yes
• 4541[23:20:39] <awwal> reboot is needed
• 4542[23:20:47] <arrrrrrrgh> On it
• 4543[23:20:50] <awwal> for load the driver
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• 4545[23:21:05] <jhutchins> awwal: Sometimes you can load it with modprobe.
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• 4547[23:21:08] <arrrrrrrgh> One day I'm going to test Minix, just to be thrilled by never having to reboot for drivers
• 4548[23:21:08] <awwal> no need to install firmware-linux-nonfree
• 4549[23:21:22] <awwal> juhutchins, probably yeah
• 4550[23:21:36] <jhutchins> awwal: THat's just a bundle instead of the specific firmware.
• 4551[23:22:03] <arrrrrrrgh> The bundle didn't help me, so hopefully this will :P
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• 4553[23:22:18] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: If you know the right sequence, you can manage the drivers without rebooting, but these days it's quicker than figureing it out.
• 4554[23:22:27] <arrrrrrrgh> Yeah I have an SSD anyway
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• 4556[23:22:39] <arrrrrrrgh> The most time-requiring thing about the process is typing in my encryption password
• 4557[23:22:46] <arrrrrrrgh> I opted for "long encryption password, easy login password"
• 4558[23:23:12] <arrrrrrrgh> Turns out typing 40+ characters with perfect accuracy without seeing any of them can be tricky
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• 4562[23:23:53] <sm00th> wow 40 is alot lol
• 4563[23:23:53] <arrrrrrrgh> I don't think the driver loaded
• 4564[23:23:56] <awwal> jhutchins, seems that firmware linux nonfree doesn't include iwlwifi stuff
• 4565[23:24:01] <arrrrrrrgh> :|
• 4566[23:24:20] <arrrrrrrgh> Hm, no, the driver is loaded
• 4567[23:24:26] <arrrrrrrgh> Or is it, brb
• 4568[23:24:54] <awwal> you have installed firmware-iwlwifi, right?
• 4569[23:25:31] <arrrrrrrgh> I have
• 4570[23:25:38] <arrrrrrrgh> But it didn't load according to lspci-k
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• 4572[23:25:58] <arrrrrrrgh> s/"lspci"/"lspci "
• 4573[23:26:19] <awwal> reboot
• 4574[23:26:23] <arrrrrrrgh> I did
• 4575[23:26:49] <awwal> wicd or nm?
• 4576[23:27:13] <arrrrrrrgh> Doubt I have nm, I'm running lxde
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• 4578[23:27:52] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: dmesg | less, search (/firmware)
• 4579[23:27:52] <awwal> task-desktop-lxde ?
• 4580[23:28:02] <awwal> not sure if it include wicd or nm
• 4581[23:28:18] <jhutchins> wicd is pretty close to deprecated these days.
• 4582[23:28:42] <awwal> i have a better connection using wicd then nm
• 4583[23:28:54] <awwal> almost when with wi-fi
• 4584[23:28:56] <jhutchins> awwal: Unsual, but not unheardof.
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• 4586[23:29:12] <jhutchins> aw
• 4587[23:29:33] <jhutchins> awwal: The one laptop I tried wicd on it couldn't even see the NIC.
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• 4590[23:30:00] <jhutchins> awwal: What release? 8?
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• 4592[23:30:16] <awwal> jhutchins, I use wicd in my laptop and in all my VM's and all fine
• 4593[23:30:24] <arrrrrrrgh> I'm running wicd
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• 4595[23:30:39] <jhutchins> arrrrrrrgh: You can have nm with lxde. I don't remember which applet it is, I have it on xfce. THere's also a cli applet.
• 4596[23:30:56] <arrrrrrrgh> I'm not preoccupied with looking at my wifi signal in the corner of the screen :P
• 4597[23:31:01] <awwal> if you have installed task desktop lxde, pretty sure it comes with wicd, not with networkmanager
• 4598[23:31:21] <arrrrrrrgh> I don't know what task desktop is, I chose lxde from the minimal install menu
• 4599[23:31:29] <awwal> check wicd gtk settings if wifi is enabled
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• 4601[23:31:30] <arrrrrrrgh> (and it runs wicd)
• 4602[23:31:31] <awwal> wlan0
• 4603[23:31:36] <awwal> or whatever
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• 4605[23:31:48] <arrrrrrrgh> The interface doesn't show up, awwal
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• 4607[23:31:52] <arrrrrrrgh> I only have eth0 and lo
• 4608[23:32:01] <awwal> sadd wlan0
• 4609[23:32:16] <arrrrrrrgh> How? :P
• 4610[23:32:34] <awwal> but latest versions of wicd have wifi , wlan0 enabled by default
• 4611[23:32:37] <kejsi564> fixed !
• 4612[23:32:43] <arrrrrrrgh> kejsi564: Congratulations!
• 4613[23:32:44] <awwal> old versions you must add it manually
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• 4615[23:33:16] <eSa|> what should I worry about? replaced-url
• 4616[23:33:16] <kejsi564> yeah this is what worked for me replaced-url
• 4617[23:33:29] <kejsi564> i think im getting better at this ...
• 4618[23:33:41] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, since wheezy wicd adds wlan0 automatically, so I dont remember. check the interfaces section and there add it
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• 4620[23:33:54] <kejsi564> question here
• 4621[23:34:14] <kejsi564> i understand that debian is super secure
• 4622[23:34:26] <kejsi564> why so many people always say install gentoo
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• 4625[23:34:50] <kejsi564> is it because faster system, more option to configure ?
• 4626[23:35:18] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi "
• 4627[23:35:25] <shadows> "super secure" ?
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• 4629[23:35:26] <rattking> gentoo can be fast.. its true, but you will never make back the time you spend compiling
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• 4631[23:35:53] <kejsi564> oh
• 4632[23:36:20] <kejsi564> yeah i know that it needs tons of work just to install it and configure it
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• 4635[23:36:37] <litko> can i run debian on a mac
• 4636[23:36:41] <kejsi564> im sure finding the driver for wifi would be more difficult in gentoo
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• 4638[23:36:49] <kejsi564> litko sure
• 4639[23:36:52] <shadows> as a former Gentoo developer for their pro-audio packaging, I will say this, Gentoo is great for people who want to develop Gentoo
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• 4641[23:37:07] <kejsi564> shadows KEK !
• 4642[23:37:10] <shadows> :)
• 4643[23:37:12] <kejsi564> LOL
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• 4645[23:37:26] <litko> so i can just burn a debian dvd and boot from it replacing the osx?
• 4646[23:37:36] <kejsi564> litko yes
• 4647[23:37:42] <kejsi564> but be careful
• 4648[23:37:44] <shadows> I'm not going to trash on Gentoo, it's just not what I use when I want to have a working computer
• 4649[23:37:44] <arrrrrrrgh> I would say that depends highly on the Mac :P
• 4650[23:37:55] <kejsi564> some things might not work depending on your hardware
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• 4652[23:38:00] <arrrrrrrgh> My brother tried to run Linux on his MacBook Pro and it just ... doesn't want to turn off the screen, ever.
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• 4654[23:38:13] <arrrrrrrgh> And he is an experienced user unlike me
• 4655[23:38:15] <litko> i read some stuff about keeping the osx for updates and firmware but its an old macbook the last firmware updates were in 2010
• 4656[23:38:44] <arrrrrrrgh> Well you could run a live version (on cd/usb) to see how it runs first?
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• 4658[23:38:59] <litko> i guess
• 4659[23:39:08] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: That command didn't do anything :P
• 4660[23:39:15] <litko> i dont really have a choice tbh osx is unusable
• 4661[23:39:25] <litko> i cant get anything done
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• 4664[23:39:50] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, without " "
• 4665[23:40:00] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: I didn't put those in :P
• 4666[23:40:06] <awwal> :P
• 4667[23:40:08] <arrrrrrrgh> It ran this time around for some reason
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• 4669[23:40:31] <arrrrrrrgh> What am I supposed to see here?
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• 4673[23:41:30] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, are you sure youtyped the command correctly?
• 4674[23:41:46] <awwal> apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi
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• 4676[23:41:55] <arrrrrrrgh> It shows me version information
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• 4679[23:42:12] <awwal> you interfaces file is correct?
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• 4681[23:42:24] <awwal> paste.debian.net
• 4682[23:42:26] <arrrrrrrgh> My interfaces file is not correct, but seeing as the kernel never loaded the driver
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• 4686[23:43:07] <awwal> which driver exactly you want to know if loaded?
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• 4692[23:44:32] <litko> do i just need the 1st dvd to install basic debian or do i have to download the whole set?
• 4693[23:44:42] <awwal> for check that you should know which component of iwlwifi your wifi card needs exactly :P
• 4694[23:44:44] <buu> You need the netinstall
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• 4696[23:45:16] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: The one for the wifi card would be nice :P
• 4697[23:45:28] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: I ran lspci -k and it had no kernel driver loaded
• 4698[23:45:42] <LtL> litko: the first cd or dvd will do
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• 4700[23:45:56] <arrrrrrrgh> hold on I'll sprunge it
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• 4702[23:46:18] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, according to replaced-url
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• 4704[23:46:47] <litko> what about just downloading the 1st cd would that work too?
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• 4706[23:47:11] <awwal> try purging wicd and reinstal it, it may no detecting that firmware
• 4707[23:47:33] <LtL> litko: yes, especially if you're on a ethernet wire... if so the netinstall image will do
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• 4710[23:48:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1735
• 4711[23:48:06] <awwal> or configure your wifi manually editing interfaces file
• 4712[23:48:10] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: replaced-url
• 4713[23:49:32] <arrrrrrrgh> Like I said, it hasn't loaded the drivers for some reason
• 4714[23:50:13] <arrrrrrrgh> firmware-iwlwifi is installed
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• 4716[23:51:05] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: replaced-url
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• 4719[23:53:01] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, if you have installed firmware-iwlwifi and rebooted but not detected by wicd, so no clue
• 4720[23:53:30] <arrrrrrrgh> :(
• 4721[23:53:45] <arrrrrrrgh> It's back to Arch I guess, I thought I'd save myself the trouble of spending time installing a GUI :P
• 4722[23:54:09] <awwal> reinstall wicd or purge wicd and install networkmanager, or better set up your wifi manually in interfaces
• 4723[23:54:26] <awwal> you are with jessie, right?
• 4724[23:54:29] <arrrrrrrgh> Isn't the main problem here that the driver never gets loaded by the kernel?
• 4725[23:54:33] <arrrrrrrgh> Yes, she's my girl
• 4726[23:54:56] <arrrrrrrgh> How do I set up wifi manually?
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• 4728[23:56:00] <awwal> can we see you /etc/network/interfaces file?
• 4729[23:56:03] <awwal> cat it
• 4730[23:56:05] <arrrrrrrgh> sure
• 4731[23:56:10] <arrrrrrrgh> I'll sprunge it
• 4732[23:57:18] <arrrrrrrgh> replaced-url
• 4733[23:57:28] <arrrrrrrgh> I have to say I love that app
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• 4737[23:57:55] <arrrrrrrgh> (I'm not chatting from the laptop I'm setting up, since there is usually a lot of rebooting and such)
• 4738[23:58:27] <awwal> i think you should comment out the 2 last lines
• 4739[23:58:55] <awwal> for start :P
• 4740[23:59:09] <awwal> and run systemctl restart wicd.service
• 4741[23:59:15] <arrrrrrrgh> I commented it out and rebooted
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