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2[00:03:02] <VladimirVolkov> 1
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11[00:07:29] <FinalX> jmcnaught: can't really do that, because then i'd have to be running 11k+ PHP's at all times or use socket activation of some kind
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13[00:07:39] <bipul> I am making a script to install packages on debian system. But the list of packages are in a package.list file i.e "cat package.list | xargs apt-get -y install"
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15[00:08:19] <bipul> That's what i was doing. But i am failed to install. Can anyone help me?
16[00:09:13] <woshty> what does make:any mean as a dependency and why is it unavailable (using backports)
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18[00:09:31] <FinalX> toruvinn: what would you recommend, then? I'm having a legacy situation where I need to start PHP as (Fast)CGI.. I'd love to run it through PHP-FPM but that even fails because the standard FPM can't hold more than 512MB RAM, it just crashes then :)
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567[01:20:43] <Sohn> ?
568[01:20:46] <Kaitlyn> hallo
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571[01:20:49] <Sohn> hello
572[01:21:00] <Kaitlyn> hi
573[01:21:06] <Sohn> hi
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577[01:21:43] <Sohn> um...
578[01:21:54] <Name> hi
579[01:21:58] <Sohn> hi
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581[01:22:18] <Sohn> ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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585[01:23:16] <Sohn> Oh yeah
586[01:23:27] <Sohn> login?
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588[01:23:50] <Sohn> Check!
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590[01:24:01] <jmcnaught> Sohn: do you require assistance?
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592[01:24:47] <Kristeng888> HEYYYYY
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598[01:25:20] <Sohn> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
599[01:25:20] <Sohn> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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601[01:25:58] <Kristeng888> I WILL SPAM EVERYONE
602[01:26:03] <Kristeng888> YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY
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604[01:26:09] <Kristeng888> YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA
605[01:26:17] <markybob> Kristeng888: no you wont. stop.
606[01:26:22] <Kristeng888> LETS GOOOOO
607[01:26:25] <Kristeng888> JKOHIOSDFHIOSDFHIOHKLFVNKCVKDFIDVHIDFJIDF
608[01:26:29] <Kristeng888> JDFDJFHWFUIHEUEUVEJIEFHUEFIIF
609[01:26:32] * Levitator debianizes all the things
610[01:26:35] <Kristeng888> SHPAMMMMMMM
611[01:26:38] <Kristeng888> YYAYAYAYAYAYAYA
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615[01:26:54] <Sohn> YEY
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617[01:27:00] <jmcnaught> !ops channel could use some adult supervision.
618[01:27:00] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: channel could use some adult supervision.
619[01:27:00] <Kristeng888> I SHALL RULE THE WORLD
620[01:27:03] <Kristeng888> FIGHT ME
621[01:27:04] <chocolatepi> hello
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623[01:27:08] <Sohn> YEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEY
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626[01:27:18] <Sohn> * Second is now known as Name
627[01:27:18] <Sohn> <Sohn> um...
628[01:27:18] <Sohn> <Name> hi
629[01:27:18] <Sohn> <Sohn> hi
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631[01:27:25] <LtL> !ops Kristeng888 Sohn are channels cpamming
632[01:27:25] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ltl complains about: Kristeng888 Sohn are channels cpamming
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634[01:27:34] <_original_salty_> KRISTEN IS KRISTEN
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641[01:28:07] <Sohn> Hello
642[01:28:07] <Levitator> I don't know why it's necessary to be an idiot.
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645[01:28:17] <Sohn> Hey
646[01:28:18] <applepi> cool kids in the crib
647[01:28:21] <_salty_summer_> YO
648[01:28:29] <Kristeng888> YO YO YO
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650[01:28:37] <_salty_summer_> SUMMER AND KADY WILL RULE THE WORLD
651[01:28:38] <Kristeng888> LEGGO
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654[01:28:40] <Sohn> <Sohn> um...
655[01:28:40] <Sohn> <Name> hi
656[01:28:40] <Sohn> <Sohn> hi
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670[01:28:56] <STMelon> skids
671[01:28:59] <LtL> freenode++
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676[01:29:18] <Levitator> There's idiocy, and then there's amazing dedication to it.
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678[01:29:52] <LtL> Levitator: well said
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680[01:30:24] <STMelon> some kids rage on IRC ... others ask for help.. or help.. skids just flood
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683[01:31:13] <LtL> i hope the k-line is global, when i was a global O-line the k-line was a clocal server thing. that was another network
684[01:31:32] <Myrtti> it is
685[01:32:11] <LtL> undernet has the g-line which was global and temporary
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691[01:33:12] <kcirick> Hi... How do I make bluetooth.service to start on boot? I did systemctl enable bluetooth but after reboot bluetooth.service shows loaded but inactive
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697[01:34:16] <LtL> kcirick: try systemctl enable bluetooth.service {unless it's masked}
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700[01:34:54] <kcirick> LtL: I did that, but it's still inactive after reboot... How can I know if it's masked?
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705[01:36:07] <LtL> kcirick: you would have had to make a symlink to /dev/null i think, but try systectl status bluetooth.service
706[01:36:22] <LtL> *systemctl
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708[01:37:03] <kcirick> LtL: Well, it's loaded now... Every time I have to first log in, then do systemctl start bluetooth... that works fine, but I want it to load automatically on boot
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713[01:38:09] <LtL> kcirick: look in /etc/rc* bluetooth should start with an 'S' not a 'K'
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717[01:39:24] <jmcnaught> kcirick: could you make a paste of "systemctl status bluetooth"?
718[01:39:29] <kcirick> LtL: bluetooth is K for rc0, rc1, rc6 and S for rc3, rc4, rc5
719[01:39:45] <LtL> kcirick: IT NEEDS TO BE s
720[01:39:53] <LtL> sorry caps
721[01:40:07] <kcirick> jmcnaught: after boot or after I start the service?
722[01:40:13] <kcirick> LtL: at which run level?
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724[01:40:25] <LtL> 2-5
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726[01:40:29] <kcirick> if it's S at rc.3 and 4, then I'm okay no?
727[01:40:32] <LtL> i think
728[01:40:34] <kcirick> what's level 2 again?
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730[01:40:49] <LtL> kcirick: replaced-url
731[01:41:03] <jmcnaught> kcirick: doesn't matter, i wanted to see the location and cgroup
732[01:41:29] <LtL> kcirick: all the same basically except 1 and 6
733[01:42:02] <LtL> kcirick: do what jmcnaught asks for
734[01:42:02] <jmcnaught> LtL: i'm pretty sure those symlinks in rc0 etc are just maintained to ease switching between systemd and sysvinit. i think systemd ignores them itself
735[01:42:27] <kcirick> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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741[01:44:44] <jmcnaught> kcirick: thanks. does "journalctl -u bluetooth -b" show any clues about why it doesn't start
742[01:45:03] <jmcnaught> is it in the "failed" state after boot?
743[01:45:54] <kcirick> jmcnaught: that line returns exactly the lines you see in the paste... on boot it shows nothing because (i suspect) the service hasn't been loaded... I can reboot again and double check
744[01:45:58] <jmcnaught> kcirick: the concept of runlevels has been replaced by targets in systemd. "systemctl --reverse list-dependencies bluetooth" should tell you which target depends on that service
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748[01:46:54] <kcirick> let me reboot, and I'll come back. BRB
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771[01:51:54] <kcirick> Hi Im back... so after reboot, journalctl -u bluetooth shows nothing
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775[01:52:25] <kcirick> and list-dependencies shows bluetooth.service -> bluetooth.target -> sys-devices-pci0000:00-0000:00:14.0-usb1-1\x2d7-1\x2d7:1.0-bluetooth-hci0.device
776[01:53:23] <jmcnaught> kcirick: hey welcome back. so that bluetooth.target is documented in "man systemd.special"
777[01:53:24] <LtL> jmcnaught: I think you're right about systemd ignoring /etc/rc* links, but systemctl enable|disable foo.service still changes the 'K|S' status in /etc/rc* levels here. i'm not totally up on systemd yet
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780[01:53:49] <kcirick> paste of bluetooth.service: replaced-url
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783[01:54:15] <jmcnaught> it seems like this target is supposed to be started automatically when a bluetooth controller is plugged in or becomes available at boot
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787[01:54:46] <kcirick> jmcnaught: so that means the hardware isn't detected on boot
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789[01:54:59] <jmcnaught> or that the udev rule that handles this isn't doing what you want
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792[01:55:55] <kcirick> I have /lib/udev/rules.d/50-bluetooth-hci-auto-poweron.rules
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796[01:56:36] <LtL> kcirick: try out a bluetooth device and try it
797[01:57:04] <LtL> redundant^^^
798[01:57:13] <kcirick> LtL I dont know what you mean? As soon as I manually do 'systemctl start bluetooth' it works
799[01:57:46] <kcirick> does the kernel version matter? I'm using the default Jessie 3.16.0 kernel
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802[01:58:18] <LtL> kcirick: then systenctl enable bluetooth.service && systemctl start bluetooth.service - should work
803[01:58:57] <kcirick> LtL: It does when I manually type it in... but it doesn't do that on boot
804[01:59:12] <jmcnaught> the [Install] section of bluetooth.service says it's WantedBy=bluetooth.target, which won't make it start at booth
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808[02:00:46] <kcirick> jmcnaught: but without it it won't work because it will try to enable something that may not have been detected by the system right?
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813[02:02:42] <jmcnaught> kcirick: can you look at the status of the .device unit that bluetooth.target refers to above?
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820[02:04:40] <kcirick> jmcnaught: loaded active plugged
821[02:04:42] <kcirick> for both
822[02:04:57] <kcirick> with the link to /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-7/1-7:1.0/bluetooth/hc0
823[02:05:08] <LtL> hrm
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826[02:06:30] <LtL> kcirick: is the kernel module loaded? lsmod
827[02:07:03] <kcirick> LtL: Good point... it might not be loaded at boot... is there a way to check?
828[02:07:13] <LtL> dmesg
829[02:07:25] <kcirick> LtL: :-)
830[02:08:08] <jmcnaught> kcirick: your bluetooth controller, is it inside your computer or something you could unplug and plug back in?
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834[02:08:43] <kcirick> jmcnaught: it's part of the wireless Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160
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838[02:10:42] <LtL> kcirick: lspci -k see what kernel module its using if any
839[02:11:10] <kcirick> LtL: Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi
840[02:11:48] <LtL> kcirick: bluetooth wifi?
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843[02:12:29] <kcirick> LtL: I don't see a separate kernel for bluetooth
844[02:12:37] <kcirick> *kernel module
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849[02:14:07] <kcirick> In dmesg, grepping on btusb gives [ 2.447893] usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb
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851[02:15:11] <LtL> bug #492592
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853[02:15:30] <kcirick> LtL: do you have a link?
854[02:15:33] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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856[02:15:52] <LtL> i thought bluez was the bluetooth module ammong others
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858[02:17:29] <kcirick> LtL: seems like exactly my situation...
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860[02:18:14] <kcirick> So is the suggestion to make a custom udev rule?
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863[02:19:46] <LtL> kcirick: or maybe a hack in /etc/rc.local
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865[02:20:32] <kcirick> LtL: what do I put in here, modprobe different modules?
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867[02:21:02] <kcirick> modprobe bluetooth, i guess
868[02:21:23] <LtL> kcirick: no, systemctl start bluetooth.service
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871[02:21:51] <kcirick> LtL: ah ok
872[02:22:01] <LtL> not sure if that woulld work
873[02:22:53] <kcirick> let me try... brb again
874[02:22:54] <LtL> kcirick: does bluetooth show up in lsmod after started?
875[02:22:54] <LtL> \
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877[02:23:22] <kcirick> LtL: Not sure... It is now that I've started the service.. I'll check that at restart too
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880[02:23:35] <LtL> kcirick: or after manually started?
881[02:23:55] <LtL> lsmod |grep bluetooth
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889[02:25:45] <rommel092079> god day. i think i break mysql. when I which mysql the result is /usr/sbin/mysql but on my working server its on /usr/bin/mysql how can I correct that back to /usr/bin/mysql ?
890[02:26:08] <kcirick> So adding that line to /etc/rc.local seems to have worked... bluetooth module is loaded at boot too
891[02:26:32] <LtL> kcirick: does your device work?
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895[02:27:22] <kcirick> LtL: Yes, but there is another unrelated problem with the bluetooth mouse
896[02:27:39] <kcirick> LtL: thank you and jmcnaught for figuring out the first part of the problem!
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898[02:28:09] <jak2000> hi all
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900[02:28:17] <jak2000> how to open a port, 8080 in a debian jessie
901[02:28:19] <LtL> kcirick: dpkg -l bluez-utils - a package you probably should have
902[02:28:28] <kcirick> The second part is the mouse MAC address seems to change every time the coputer is restarted/woken up or the mouse goes to sleeep
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905[02:28:57] <kcirick> LtL: Indeed I dont have that installed
906[02:29:08] <LtL> jak2000: it should be open if anything is listening on it, unless you're behind a router/firewall
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910[02:29:56] <jak2000> how to know if 8080 is used?
911[02:30:09] <kcirick> LtL: apt-get install bluez-utils says it's been replaced by "bluez" package
912[02:30:12] <jmcnaught> kcirick: glad you and LtL figured something out :)
913[02:30:30] <LtL> kcirick: quite possible, no worries
914[02:30:50] <LtL> jak2000: netstat -tunap
915[02:31:03] <kcirick> jmcnaught LtL would you be able to help me with the changing MAC on my mouse?
916[02:31:13] <LtL> jmcnaught: thanks for the help
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918[02:31:40] <jak2000> tcp6 0 0 :::8080 :::* LISTEN
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920[02:31:52] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: check which package the file comes from with "dpkg -S /usr/bin/mysql" for example. Are you using Debian packages for MySQL, or something else like dotdeb?
921[02:32:16] <jmcnaught> kcirick: probably not, i don't have any bluetooh stuff so it's largely a mystery to me
922[02:32:38] <Jaro> man debian running super cool.
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926[02:33:12] <kcirick> jmcnaught: I wouldn't have thought it was going to be much trouble when I bought all these bluetooth gadgets... I wish I'd gotten just regular wireless :-(
927[02:33:20] <kcirick> or usb
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929[02:33:44] <jmcnaught> kcirick: i'm sure once you get familiar with the bluetooth tools it won't be a problem
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932[02:34:48] <LtL> jak2000: thats ipv6, anything on tcp? you are using ipv4 at the moment
933[02:34:52] <jmcnaught> kcirick: i'm curious why the udev rule isn't triggering bluetooth.target to be loaded. do you use wifi? if there is a wifi kill switch on your computer (or key combo) i wonder if toggling it would trigger bluetooth to be loaded
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938[02:35:05] <jak2000> yes
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940[02:35:12] <jak2000> how to open for ipv4
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942[02:36:00] <LtL> jak2000: i would think it would be
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944[02:36:13] <kcirick> jmcnaught: I do use wifi as well.. I seem to remember not being a problem when I was on another OS running kernel version 4.x, but who knows
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946[02:36:55] <jmcnaught> jak2000: what are you trying to run on port 8080?
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948[02:37:15] <LtL> jak2000: go here, check that port, replaced-url
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950[02:37:46] <mlin112> hi. i am unable to access one of my external usb hard drives. it was working yesterday. but today when i connect it i get an error in my file manager: "An error occurred while accessing 'Network', the system responded: An unspecified error has occurred: No such interface 'org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Filesystem' on object at path /org/freedesktop/UDisks2/block_devices/dm_2d3"
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953[02:37:59] <mlin112> does anyone know what that means?
954[02:39:29] <uid1> Hi. Just installed 8 ("Jessie"), and am trying to install MySQL / Mariadb. apt install mysql-server fails on unmet dependencies (mysql-server-5.5). Am I missing something - I thought apt took care of that (from my Ubuntu experience). Thanks...
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956[02:39:49] <jmcnaught> !tell uid1 about bat
957[02:39:59] <mlin112> the only thing i found online was a guy with the same error but he never found a solution replaced-url
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959[02:40:13] <jmcnaught> mlin112: what filesystem is on the drive? are you able to mount it on the command line?
960[02:40:42] <LtL> uid1: try aptitude why-not mysql-server
961[02:41:22] <somiaj> uid1: or put the output of apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net and lets see what actual sources you havea vailable
962[02:41:33] <mlin112> jmcnaught, ext4. i just tried to mount it from the commandline and it says "mount: /dev/sdb is already mounted or /home/me/temp busy"
963[02:41:42] <mlin112> i tried sudo mount /dev/sdb ~/temp
964[02:42:08] <jmcnaught> mlin112: the filesystem is not on a partition? does it show up when you run "mount" with no arguments?
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967[02:42:56] <MasonHauk> Hi #debian I have a question???? Im following replaced-url
968[02:43:09] <MasonHauk> switch remote to HDMI input device or do I need two screen? and actully will that work just black listing the PCI stub for one card to make the other stubs for linux?
969[02:43:32] <mlin112> jmcnaught, when i did sdb1 it says "mount: unknown filesystem type 'crypto_LUKS'"
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973[02:43:51] <jmcnaught> mlin112: is it an encrypted filesystem?
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976[02:44:20] <mlin112> jmcnaught, yes and i what happened yesterday was that it disconnected in the middle of being used for some reason. ever since then i can't connect it again
977[02:44:21] <jmcnaught> mlin112: perhaps you could make a pastebin of "lsblk" with at least the lines relevant to this device
978[02:44:34] <mlin112> it has LUKS though. and when i connect it, it accepts my password
979[02:44:40] <mlin112> ok
980[02:44:57] <jmcnaught> mlin112: okay.. maybe it needs to be fscked?
981[02:45:41] <mlin112> jmcnaught, it's safe to paste that right? no private info in that
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984[02:47:08] <jmcnaught> mlin112: i don't consider the layout of block devices to be very private. it's not going to show contents or passwords/keys. please use replaced-url
985[02:47:18] <mlin112> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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989[02:48:06] <jmcnaught> mlin112: if the luks volume is unlocked but the filesystem it contains is not mounted you should be able to run fsck on it
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991[02:48:24] <mlin112> jmcnaught, sudo fsck /dev/sdb1?
992[02:48:46] <meti> mlin112: just to be sure, did you even try to mount the partition (sdb1) and not the disk (sdb)?
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994[02:49:23] <meti> after luks unlock
995[02:49:34] <mlin112> meti, yes when i tried to mount sdb1 i got mount: unknown filesystem type 'crypto_LUKS'
996[02:49:53] <meti> ok
997[02:49:54] <mlin112> even though the luks volume is unlocked
998[02:49:54] <jmcnaught> mlin112: do you have a /dev/mapper/sdb1_crypt?
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1000[02:50:27] <mlin112> jmcnaught, i have a /dev/mapper/sda8_crypt
1001[02:50:51] <mlin112> that's the main hard drive though
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1003[02:50:52] <mlin112> no sdb
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1005[02:51:23] <mlin112> jmcnaught, oh wait, there is a /dev/mapper/luks-8f626bc3-....... which is the sdb drive
1006[02:51:50] <jmcnaught> mlin112: that is the unlocked filesystem, can you mount that?
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1008[02:52:43] <jmcnaught> mlin112: i've got to go for a bit, sorry to leave you in the middle of figuring things out. there are lots of folks here that can help you :)
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1010[02:53:21] <mlin112> jmcnaught, ok thanks for your help
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1012[02:53:32] <mlin112> i tried to mount /dev/mapper/luks... and got "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock"
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1019[02:55:07] <NfNitLoop> Is there a backport of clang 3.6 to Jessie? Googling is failing me and I don't want to believe that the answer is "no". :~(
1020[02:55:11] <Pegasus_RPG> hello. If I had to disconnect from an apt-get upgrade process, how can I reconnect to it?
1021[02:55:23] <somiaj> NfNitLoop: look at packages.debian.org
1022[02:55:41] <LoRez> Pegasus_RPG: you can't unless you used screen or tmux.
1023[02:55:44] <Pegasus_RPG> (It is sitting at a menu asking if I want to replace a config file or not)
1024[02:55:59] <Pegasus_RPG> LoRez: so what do I do then? Kill it/reboot the box and apt-get -f install?
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1026[02:56:50] <LoRez> kill it and just restart it. probably no need to reboot and that might be dangerous to do if you were upgrading kernels or something
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1028[02:58:01] <NfNitLoop> somiaj: Looks like a 'no' then. :~( It's a requirement for building Swift. Wanted to play around w/ Swift on Linux. :p
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1030[02:59:08] <somiaj> NfNitLoop: you can backport things yourself
1031[02:59:11] <somiaj> !tell NfNitLoop about ssb
1032[03:00:56] <Pegasus_RPG> ah, found that killing dpkg then re-running it with dpkg --configure -a works
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1037[03:04:16] <MrHatter> Debian Wheezy : if my sources.list file is this : deb replaced-url
1038[03:04:16] <MrHatter> deb replaced-url
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1040[03:04:36] <MrHatter> how am i getting this : Err replaced-url
1041[03:04:36] <MrHatter> Could not resolve 'PLEASE.USE.NEW.HOSTNAME___downloads.linux.HPE.com___'
1042[03:04:36] <MrHatter> Reading package lists... Done
1043[03:04:48] <jager> I installed Jessie from a cdrom and it seems like even after i change the sources.list incant install
1044[03:05:22] <jager> Many missing packages
1045[03:07:28] <uid1> LtL: "Unable to find a reason to remove mysql-server."
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1047[03:07:44] <LtL> !tell jager about jessie sources.list
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1049[03:08:08] <LtL> uid1: is it installed? dpkg -l mysql-server
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1052[03:08:34] <uid1> jmcnaught: somiaj: I've installed Debian in a VM and can't copy / paste from console. Trying to install openssh-server so I have a clipboard prompts for "Media change: please insert the disc labeled..."
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1055[03:08:51] <LtL> MrHatter: that dosnt look like a valid debian repository
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1057[03:09:27] <uid1> Thanks for the assistance. I was just trying to test if a bug (MySQL incorrect default(s)) existed upstream to file a bug report - didn't anticipated this much hassle.
1058[03:09:42] <uid1> s/anticipated/anticipate/
1059[03:09:53] <Guest99508> how do i list the ops in the channel again?
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1061[03:10:35] <somiaj> uid1: is the vm on the internet? use pastbinit
1062[03:10:55] <somiaj> !tell uid1 about jessie sources.list
1063[03:11:00] <uid1> somiaj: No, no GUI.
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1065[03:11:23] <somiaj> uid1: compare your /etc/apt/soruces.list to the one the bot sent you
1066[03:11:38] <somiaj> uid1: if you get correct jessie sources you shoudl be able to install anything you need (priovided the machine is on the internet)
1067[03:11:48] <somiaj> uid1: as for pastbinit, this doesn't require a gui, it is why I suggested it.
1068[03:12:02] <mlin112> wow fdisk just started spitting out random numbers
1069[03:12:07] <uid1> Ok. I was able to install a couple packages, just not mysql-server (and in trying to gather asked for info, openssh-server).
1070[03:12:27] <uid1> somiaj: Didn't know about pastbinit - handy sounding, lemme check all this out...
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1072[03:12:51] <somiaj> uid1: it might be your sources.list only contain a local repo or the cd/dvd you installed from, and that is why it can't find all the packages it requires
1073[03:13:09] <somiaj> uid1: it coudl also be you have only the security sources, but are missing a lot of the main packages that didn't need security fixes.
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1076[03:13:32] <somiaj> uid1: the output of apt-cache policy will tell you what sources you have, if you can understand it, no need to paste it for us.
1077[03:13:50] <uid1> Indeed somiaj, first line was "deb cdrom: ..." Fixing according to bot's output.
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1079[03:13:53] <LtL> jager: apt-get update your sources.list after changes
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1082[03:15:29] <jager> thanks LtL
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1084[03:15:39] <LtL> jager: welcome
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1097[03:24:28] <MrHatter> ltl: can apt-get only look in /etc/apt/sources.list
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1099[03:25:05] <LtL> MrHatter: normally yes
1100[03:25:17] <chaiomanot> hello
1101[03:25:30] <chaiomanot> does anyone know how often unattended-upgrades runs by default?
1102[03:25:44] <chaiomanot> replaced-url
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1105[03:26:14] <rjsalts> MrHatter: what do you mean? it'll try to download the list of sources from there and any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
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1107[03:26:48] <uid1> Okay, I've managed to gather the output requested: replaced-url
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1109[03:28:03] <LtL> chaiomanot: updates are checked daily by cron iirc
1110[03:28:09] <MrHatter> rjsalts, thank you, I wasn't aware of /etc/apt/sources.lists.d
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1113[03:29:16] <LtL> MrHatter: i forgot that dir, sorry
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1117[03:31:04] <chaiomanot> LtL, looks that way, thanks. someone should add that to the docs
1118[03:31:12] <MrHatter> ltl, no worries, thx.
1119[03:31:33] <LtL> MrHatter, chaiomanot welcome
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1129[03:36:02] <TreeStump> Hi Guys. Have a debian 8.4 box with 4 network interfaces. Until this point only 1 interface(eth0) was configured. I just configured eth1 via /etc/network/interfaces using standard config.
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1131[03:36:40] <TreeStump> Brought the interface up with ifup eth1. I can't seem to get connectivity on the interface though. ie. cannot ping any device on that /24 and cannot ping the interface IP either.
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1133[03:36:58] <TreeStump> tcpdump on the interface shows traffic on that network, so can confirm the the port is fine.
1134[03:37:03] <TreeStump> Any tips?
1135[03:37:29] <MrHatter> treestump, what are you using for the firewall/routing ?
1136[03:37:43] <MrHatter> ip forwarding may not be enabled.
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1139[03:37:58] <TreeStump> iptables
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1142[03:38:07] <TreeStump> I don't want forwarding though
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1144[03:38:25] <MrHatter> you are not passing traffic between the interfaces ?
1145[03:38:29] <markybob> try the pros at #netfilter
1146[03:38:33] <TreeStump> Nope
1147[03:38:40] <TreeStump> Also iptables is not dropping the traffic
1148[03:38:53] <TreeStump> I log all dropped traffic
1149[03:38:58] <uid1> TreeStump: Check output of "route" to see that eth1 is destination for proper subnet
1150[03:39:22] <markybob> or ask the proper channel like i suggested :
1151[03:39:44] <TreeStump> markybob: it's not netfilter. Have tried with it disabled too
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1155[03:40:36] <LtL> TreeStump: he means the channel #netfilter for iptables help
1156[03:40:40] <TreeStump> uid1: Thanks, have checked. The subnet is routed to that interface. Same results from ifquery too
1157[03:40:45] <markybob> you're using iptables. how's that not #netfilter?
1158[03:41:07] <TreeStump> LtL: Yes and I'm saying that the problem isn't iptables/netfilter because even with it disabled I get the same result.
1159[03:41:25] <LtL> TreeStump: ah
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1161[03:42:33] <uid1> TreeStump: If you can't get connectivity on that interface, *but* ... tcpdump shows traffic?!? What types of traffic then? That might be worth investigating.
1162[03:42:38] <mlin112> jmcnaught, hey, just leaving a note so you see it later. fdisk fixed whatever the issue was. i can properly mount it now and access the files. thanks so much!!!!!!!!!
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1164[03:43:32] <TreeStump> uid1: I see the broadcast traffic like VRRP on the network. Thing is though, I can't even ping the interface IP from the box though...
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1172[03:46:48] <toruvinn> FinalX, well... do you NEED apache? also, im using nginx + php-fpm and it works just fine for me :-S
1173[03:47:13] <TreeStump> Best part, if I ping another device on the same subnet(10.252.8.0/24) from the box in question, I don't get a response. However in my tcpdump I can see the ICMP echo leaving and returning. This is with iptables disabled btw.
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1184[03:54:08] <uid1> TreeStump: That's so bizarre that the only suggestion I have at the moment is move cable & config from eth1 to eth2 and try again.
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1268[04:42:55] <uid1> Can someone who has mysql-server installed please post the output of: grep slow /etc/mysql/mysql.conf.d/* (assuming default config for log_slow_queries)?
1269[04:43:29] <uid1> Should be 1 or at most 2 lines I think. Trying to track down an invalid, commented out config setting.
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1320[05:09:41] <cq11> Does anyone here have experience getting Skylake integrated graphics (specifically the HD 530 on the i3-6100) working? I'm still stuck with CPU rendering, and I've already got xserver-xorg-video-intel installed.
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1344[05:19:08] <viderizer> i can't get rsyslog to send anything to a remote host - the host and port work with netcat properly so the receiving end is not the problem
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1423[06:10:10] <aleha> On Stable is someone getting the error msg: could not find function word_similarity_commutator_op" in file "/usr/lib/postgresql/9.4/lib/pg_trgm.so"
1424[06:10:29] <aleha> This happened after an upgrade to stable 8.5
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1430[06:11:46] <grinchier> anybody using apparmor for chromium?
1431[06:11:56] <grinchier> i'm trying to use the alias suggestion here replaced-url
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1433[06:12:00] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1434[06:12:18] <grinchier> but getting LaunchProcess: failed to execvp:
1435[06:12:18] <grinchier> when trying to launch chromium
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1474[06:47:24] <cooloutac> I think i figured it out
1475[06:47:35] <cooloutac> instead of adding those lines to the profile, I added them to the tunables file.
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1479[06:50:28] <Guest78055> seems to be working
1480[06:50:29] <Guest78055> tks
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1500[06:59:51] <MaBunny> guys m keyboard isnt working
1501[06:59:57] <MaBunny> *my
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1503[07:00:33] <MaBunny> the caps lock gets on by its own
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1505[07:01:00] <MaBunny> lol its a bad situation
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1511[07:02:10] <MaBunny> im currently upgrading my software
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1516[07:02:58] <MaBunny> guys??
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1529[07:10:43] <ByteStorm> help me
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1542[07:18:53] <aria> reboot
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1554[07:22:18] <ByteStorm> guyuys p[ls help[ me
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1557[07:22:41] <ByteStorm> thts whart muy keuyboartds doi]ng
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1567[07:33:02] <ryouma> mine too
1568[07:33:10] <ryouma> it's likely hardware
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1571[07:35:30] <mikejw> does anyone know what processes 5418 and YS are?
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1580[07:38:44] <darxmurf> hi al
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1591[07:46:04] <darxmurf> which hash type is returning 26 char ?
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1593[07:46:30] <darxmurf> McAfee got this DNS virus check where you can dig something like dig +short sfqpit75pjh525siewar2dtgt5.avts.mcafee.com
1594[07:46:44] <darxmurf> if it returns an IP it means you file is probably bad
1595[07:46:58] <darxmurf> but the 26 char hash in the name is made of what ?
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1615[07:54:37] <glassresistor> ugh so i messed up and lost my uefi boot setup
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1617[07:55:14] <glassresistor> everything else is still there I've got a live cd up but when i try to mount /dev/sda1 it complains that it doesnt know what type it is
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1628[07:58:40] <glassresistor> when i mount /dev/sda2 it has a grub folder and a bunch of initfs files which im assuming are kernels
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1630[07:59:18] <glassresistor> but when i run grub-install on /boot/efi which is where i mounted sda2 it says it doesn't look like an efi drive
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1632[07:59:37] <glassresistor> but when i try and mount /dev/sda1 it says it can
1633[07:59:45] <glassresistor> t and asks me to wipefs
1634[07:59:58] <glassresistor> can anyone help im totally lost
1635[08:00:13] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: what live cd are you using? debian livecds cannot boot with UEFI
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1637[08:00:31] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: debian installer disks can boot UEFI, and have a rescue mode boot option that has a reinstall grub feature
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1648[08:06:52] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: im using debian
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1650[08:07:22] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: i have the live cd and a debian installer cd
1651[08:07:49] <Xact> Hi .. I can't find any guidelines to how one should make .deb with init script/systemd for both wheezy and jessie .. anyone know a good way ?
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1653[08:08:05] <Ingvix> Hi, I'm sort of noob so how do I actually install an application after setup.py finished processing dependencies for it?
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1656[08:08:58] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: ok im in the graphical rescue mode of th 8.4 netinstaller
1657[08:09:07] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: how do i go forward
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1659[08:10:40] <Ingvix> or should the setup.py also install the app and it's not finished yet?
1660[08:11:44] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: after some configuration questions you will get to a menu with a grub reinstall option
1661[08:12:08] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: there is also an option to get a root shell on the target system
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1664[08:12:39] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: i believe its put me in the root shell and i
1665[08:13:04] <glassresistor> ve yet to see the grub reinstall option anywhwere
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1669[08:13:28] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: for the root shell what should i mount to /?
1670[08:13:58] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: which ever partition your root filesystem is on
1671[08:14:02] <jmcnaught> !fixboot
1672[08:14:02] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
1673[08:14:40] <jmcnaught> Ingvix: what program is it? There are Debian packages for lots of Python modules and programs, maybe there's a package for what you want?
1674[08:15:29] <Ingvix> jmcnaught, I'm trying to install this replaced-url
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1676[08:15:53] <Ingvix> I'm not actually sure if it's usable or not yet
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1679[08:17:40] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: its an encrypted lvm so should i put the one like name-vg/root?
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1686[08:19:54] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: did the rescue mode help you unlock the encrypted volume? yes that looks like the right one
1687[08:20:02] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: so i've mounted the encrypted fs as my root file system and it gives me the reinstall grub and install grub to efi removable path
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1689[08:20:39] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: yeah it did it all for me but when i go to reinstall grub it fails
1690[08:21:16] <jmcnaught> Ingvix: there are a few packages for updating dynamic DNS services available like ddclient, dyndns, ez-ipupdate
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1692[08:21:45] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: what does it say when it fails? are there more details on tty4 (ctrl+alt+F4)?
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1694[08:22:43] <Ingvix> jmcnaught, okay thanks. So that doesn't work yet?
1695[08:23:42] <jmcnaught> Ingvix: i don't know, i've never tried that service or this script. i'm just saying that there are a few packages in Debian that do this for various services (possibly including the one you're trying to use)
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1697[08:24:03] <jmcnaught> Ingvix: and generally using software packaged for Debian is easier to install, configure, and keep up to date
1698[08:24:11] <Ingvix> oh, okay. I try them then. Thanks
1699[08:24:50] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: ttyl will not change in graphical mode
1700[08:24:58] <glassresistor> im gonna reboot
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1702[08:25:44] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: okay. sorry i never use graphical mode, but i figured the same keys would work for switching ttys as normal
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1708[08:28:00] <Ingvix> jmcnaught, do I have remove manually the changes the setup.py did or is there some kind of command for that?
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1710[08:28:58] <jmcnaught> Ingvix: probably manually unless the software came with a removal feature
1711[08:29:04] <Ingvix> okay
1712[08:29:13] <jmcnaught> Ingvix: did you run it as root?
1713[08:29:22] <Ingvix> yes
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1715[08:30:09] <jmcnaught> in the future you do not need to use root for this. Python programs that you install manually can be installed by a regular user into their home directory, or another directory they have write permission for
1716[08:31:03] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: i switch to text only and in a shell now
1717[08:31:08] <jmcnaught> Ingvix: Python also has a virtualenv feature that is very handy for installing random Python stuff not from the package manager in a way that's cleanyly isolated
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1719[08:31:27] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: did you try the "reinstall grub boot loader" option again?
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1725[08:34:45] <Ingvix> oh, it did install it. I was just looking the installed commands from wrong directory... Looked from /bin/ when they were in /usr/local/bin
1726[08:34:49] <Ingvix> case solved then
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1732[08:36:02] <jmcnaught> Ingvix: /usr/local is where stuff is supposed to go if it's installed manually or from source by the sysadmin, not with the package manager
1733[08:36:20] <Ingvix> okay then
1734[08:36:34] <jmcnaught> Ingvix: /bin, /usr/bin, /lib, they should only be written to by the package manager
1735[08:36:56] <Ingvix> got it
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1742[08:40:38] <aria> cant you see where it was installed with `which`
1743[08:41:06] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: yeah it fails
1744[08:41:15] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: im in the shell now doing it by hand
1745[08:42:23] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: so my ssd has 3 parts sda1,2,3 3 is my encrypted volume 2 has all of the boot images and 1 is a mystery
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1747[08:42:36] <glassresistor> im pretty sure 1 is the one i want to mount but it says it want let me
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1757[08:46:06] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: if you execute a shell in the root you have mounted, when you run "ls" you should see the usual root with /bin, /dev, /home, /usr etc
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1759[08:46:17] <jmcnaught> !tell glassresistor about fixboot
1760[08:46:32] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: so i keep trying to mount sda1 but it says it cant mount that super block andi think thisw might be my issue
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1763[08:47:30] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: the installer is not decrypting the luks volume for you?
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1767[08:48:11] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: no it is sda1 isn't that its only 500Mb and i can't figure out what it is
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1769[08:48:33] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: sounds like /boot/efi or /boot
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1771[08:49:07] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: sda2 im pretty sure is boot
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1773[08:49:35] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: sda2 has an efi folder on it as well as a bunch of boot images
1774[08:49:46] <glassresistor> but sda1 i can't mount or work with
1775[08:49:57] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: if it's an UEFI system then you have an Efi Special Partition (ESP) which is a FAT32 filesystem
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1779[08:51:08] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: yep thats what it says it is vfat
1780[08:51:27] <glassresistor> but when i mount it it says "cant mount super block"
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1783[08:51:39] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: any idea how to get around that
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1785[08:52:09] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: do you have any other OSs installed on this computer?
1786[08:52:42] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: nope
1787[08:53:17] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: what happened was i was trying to replace a bad battery and reset the uefi stuff and i need to add it back\
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1789[08:54:43] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: "reset the uefi stuff" ?
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1796[08:58:06] <darxmurf> hi back
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1798[08:58:33] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: im honestly not sure like i can read my hard drive fine and see the contents on it from a live cd but i cant get it to boot
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1800[08:58:59] <glassresistor> and in my bios section there are no other boot options
1801[08:59:01] <ByteSorm> guys how do i update clamav for the signatures??
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1808[09:01:37] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: you said that you "reset the uefi stuff" earlier, what does that mean?
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1818[09:06:16] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: i didnt do it but somehow all of the uefi boot options in my bios disappeared
1819[09:06:25] <xar-> greetings
1820[09:07:23] <xar-> I have a Linux mount point /data, what is the best method so that I can mount /data on a Windows machine, on the same network?
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1822[09:07:56] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: that happened when you changed the battery? next thing you couldn't boot, and then you checked the BIOS?
1823[09:08:02] <xar-> (the host is running Jessie btw)
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1825[09:08:44] <jmcnaught> xar-: sounds like you need Samba
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1827[09:09:34] <xar-> I know it sounds crazy to ask in here, but does Windows do NFS? is NFS better than Samba, in terms of overall performance / management
1828[09:09:35] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: yes
1829[09:10:00] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: i've done this before with and without issues but idk what is wrong now
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1831[09:10:16] <xar-> I've been using Linux for so long, I quite frankly don't know the best solution to get this mount point seen by other workstations
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1835[09:14:01] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: what command did you use to mount /boot/efi?
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1845[09:15:16] <MrHatter> xar-, samba
1846[09:15:38] <MrHatter> is your only option.
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1854[09:19:04] <AndreasLutro> can someone explain why this is happening, or what I can do to investigate further? replaced-url
1855[09:19:44] <AndreasLutro> oh wait... just as I ask I see it - "mysql-common set to manually installed." that's the problem isn't it
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1876[09:31:50] <uid1> Having difficulty installing mysql-server on a fresh Debian 8 (in a VM). apt install isn't working and I don't know why, nor how to parse the apt-cache policy output. replaced-url
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1880[09:35:02] <Nik05> uid1 apt-cache policy says you only got the security repository
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1882[09:35:25] <uid1> Nik05: Thanks - lemme check that out
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1884[09:35:27] <Nik05> i dont get the output
1885[09:35:42] <Nik05> you run apt-cache policy twice and get different results? :S
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1889[09:38:11] <FinalX> toruvinn: yes, I do need Apache very much (see earlier discussion), using nginx and FPM myself as well. FPM is no option due to limitations in config size for FPM
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1891[09:38:22] <uid1> One specified package names Nik05, the other didn't.
1892[09:38:49] <Nik05> not in your paste
1893[09:39:02] <Nik05> line 52 and line 60
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1896[09:39:20] <uid1> Nik05: Anyway, that fixed it - I had other lines in sources.list BUT my apt update failed due to bad entry in /etc/resolv.conf (derp)
1897[09:39:21] <babilen> That's the same command and the same output?
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1899[09:39:49] <Nik05> oh rigght it is the same :P but only security
1900[09:39:52] <Nik05> oke
1901[09:40:08] <uid1> Ah, hadn't noticed, looks like a paste error.
1902[09:40:39] <uid1> Anyway, thanks jmcnaught (for earlier), Nik05, et al.
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1944[10:03:38] <irinix> is there perhaps a chance somebody has a throwaway debian install running?
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1946[10:04:18] <Wulf> irinix: Would be easy to launch a VM. Why?
1947[10:04:53] <irinix> Wulf, I have a potentially dangerous script, and no access to a throw away instance
1948[10:05:10] <irinix> replaced-url
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1951[10:06:14] <Wulf> irinix: well, if it's dangerous, don't run it?
1952[10:06:50] <irinix> Wulf, the idea is a fictional boss prank, and now we want to see if it runs.
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1957[10:08:15] <irinix> I think it is like, the lightsaber of boss prank scripts
1958[10:08:22] <irinix> but, I'm no jedi
1959[10:08:37] <Wulf> no, obviously not.
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1961[10:09:36] <irinix> Do you see a problem with, aside from potential malicious uses?
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1979[10:20:35] <peterrooney> irinix: if it's a user login script, sudo won't have access to >> /etc/sudoers (on line 10) - sudo behaves better than that
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1983[10:22:06] <irinix> dammit
1984[10:22:27] <peterrooney> I'd point and laugh, but it
1985[10:22:55] <peterrooney> 's a system breaking 'prank'
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1987[10:23:25] <irinix> peterrooney, there is a better version of it, with some errors fixed up now same link
1988[10:23:49] <irinix> mind you this is fictitious, I'm just having fun / trying to complete the script now
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2000[10:30:07] <irinix> peterrooney, replaced line 10 with an echo / mv
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2024[10:44:01] <jelly> irinix: what you do mean by "potential" malicious uses? This looks like its intent is malicious
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2039[10:50:34] <irinix> jelly, potentially in that it could be used for malicious intent, but it is in fact a script that I don't ever plan on deploying, beyond seeing if it *would* work if deployed
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2046[10:53:05] <nkuttler> irinix: just install virt-manager or virtualbox or something..
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2066[11:03:34] <xar-> MrHatter: why is Samba the only option?
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2095[11:13:43] <digdilem> xar-, smb's the most universally supported remote filesystem, although native clients exist for nfs and sftp as well
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2098[11:15:08] <k_sze[work]> Is locale-gen(8) actually supposed to optionally take a locale name argument?
2099[11:15:16] <k_sze[work]> Or does it always read from /etc/locale.gen?
2100[11:15:18] <xar-> I was just curious where he was coming from, because I have NFS working, although very, VERY poor performance
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2108[11:19:56] <digdilem> i've found NFS to be sub-optimal especially when dealing with lots of little files
2109[11:20:07] <digdilem> (that's debian <> debian)
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2111[11:20:23] <xar-> im doing jessie to windows
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2119[11:23:37] <digdilem> samba would be my first choice, then
2120[11:23:56] <digdilem> or sftp using winscp if it was a one-off thing
2121[11:24:04] <digdilem> scp, rather
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2125[11:25:30] <digdilem> microsoft do a nfs client in one of their free download packages, but i never had much satisfaction with it
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2128[11:26:14] <unborn> digdilem: it all depends what you want to connect to it.. I rarely use samba in fact not in my house at all.. ssh aka sftp is much faster and safer regards editing etc.. but that is different story if you must use windows..
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2132[11:26:58] <digdilem> yeah, for manual copying that's good. for exporting drives as mounts, not so good (unless you have software windows side i'm unaware of)
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2134[11:27:10] <digdilem> er, mounts as drives, i mean
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2136[11:27:37] <xar-> the goal is the experience
2137[11:27:55] <xar-> essentially I want to interact with the share as if it were a local directory, completely seamless
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2139[11:28:01] <unborn> linux and unix have native ssh support so I dont see any reason having samba for spyware box.. ssh mount works perfectly with ssh keys or username/password option.. only windows is that dummy that it does not supports it i guess that could be the problem
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2143[11:28:29] <digdilem> xar-, then I second the suggestion for exporting a directory from the debian box using samba, and then mapping that to a drive letter on your windows box
2144[11:28:40] <xar-> I'll remove nfs-kernel-server and try samba, so far the performance is pretty bad ha
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2146[11:28:59] <unborn> digdilem: I prefer ssh aka sftp for another one reason.. I can mount it over the internet without single issue
2147[11:29:08] <digdilem> fair point
2148[11:29:31] <xar-> you might have come late to this party, but im an unusual penguin, im trying to export a directory under jessie to windows workstations
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2151[11:31:07] <xar-> so uhh
2152[11:31:13] <unborn> I would say windows is slowly going into dead waters.. just let users having upgrade to win 10 and wait year or so, soon or later the issues become so obvious that people will seek alternatives.. it happen all the times :)
2153[11:31:18] <xar-> who's got a good wiki on installing samba under jessie :D
2154[11:31:27] <unborn> xar-: you should be able to just copy whole folder into that machine
2155[11:31:50] <xar-> >_>
2156[11:32:18] <unborn> xar-: is that from windows to debian or opposite way?
2157[11:32:35] <xar-> the directory is on debian, im exporting to windows workstations
2158[11:32:41] <xar-> I found a guide, following it now
2159[11:33:27] <xar-> trust me, I don't wanna do this anymore than the next mighty beard, but that's life ;)
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2168[11:40:18] <Mava> any advices: lenovo w540 laptop. uefi only and CSM:no. Is it even possible to get debian stable (or whatever) booted in this machine after install ?
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2172[11:41:58] <Mava> ou, and naturally the secure boot is disabled
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2177[11:42:59] <xar-> digdilem: samba is perfoming much better, thank you
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2179[11:44:09] <xar-> it does leave me wondering why Windows NFS client implementation when talking to Jessis is so absurdly awful... a challenge for another day I suppose
2180[11:44:15] <xar-> Jessie*
2181[11:44:49] <digdilem> :)
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2188[11:48:21] <Rovanion> Does useradd touch anything else other than the local defenitions in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow?
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2194[11:51:17] <xar-> Rovanion: define "touch"
2195[11:51:30] <Rovanion> xar-: As in "Interacts with".
2196[11:51:39] <xar-> then yes, yes it does, absolutely
2197[11:52:01] <Rovanion> I'm having the strangest issue where useradd and userdel blocks and never exits until winbindd is restarted.
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2200[11:52:21] <Rovanion> But if I check ldd useradd is not linked to anything samba-ish.
2201[11:52:56] <Rovanion> Though I guess it interacts with the pam stack through the kernel then?
2202[11:53:27] <Rovanion> Would that be a somewhat correct guess?
2203[11:53:32] <xar-> Rovanion: replaced-url
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2207[11:54:03] <vahe> hi all ~ :)
2208[11:54:25] <Rovanion> xar-: Which command do you use to produce that output?
2209[11:54:33] <xar-> Rovanion: strace
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2211[11:54:48] <Rovanion> xar-: Thank you!
2212[11:54:50] <vahe> the laptop heats up horribly, maybe something not installed?
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2214[11:55:01] <xar-> Rovanion: if you're not familiar with it, get familiar, it saves lives
2215[11:55:14] <xar-> s/lives/careers/
2216[11:55:22] <Rovanion> xar-: I've long wanted to get familiar with it. So I'll take this chance.
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2218[11:56:23] <vahe> 71C the laptop heats up horribly, maybe something not installed?
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2221[11:57:07] <Mava> vahe: do you have intel HD graphics and nvidia both in the machine ?
2222[11:57:22] <Rovanion> vahe: Is the fan running as it should?
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2225[11:57:41] <xar-> Rovanion: yea, you'll want to read some documentation first, it's greek to the uninitiated, more so if you don't know some kernel architectural fundamentals
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2231[11:58:21] <vahe> Mava how to check?
2232[11:59:16] <vahe> Mava: how to check? , Rovanion if I install say ubuntu or manjaro then everything works fine
2233[11:59:39] <Mava> vahe: what laptop you have ?
2234[11:59:56] <vahe> Mava: DEell latitude e6410
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2240[12:01:45] <Mava> vahe: sudo lspci and see whether you can see both, intel HD and nvidia there
2241[12:01:55] <Mava> it just might have
2242[12:02:27] <vahe> Mava: replaced-url
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2247[12:03:53] <Mava> wou, only nvidia card o.0
2248[12:04:04] <vahe> care 1 67c /2 64c / temp 71
2249[12:04:39] <k_sze[work]> Is mmap'ed file supposed to count toward virtual memory used?
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2251[12:05:13] <k_sze[work]> And more importantly, is it supposed to take up RES?
2252[12:05:58] <k_sze[work]> I mean, I am mmap'ing this multi-GB file, and it takes up all my RAM and eventually causes OOM.
2253[12:06:20] <Rovanion> xar-: Thank you, using strace I can clearly see how there's a syscall to open the winbind client.
2254[12:06:28] <Rovanion> Which is where the execution stops.
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2257[12:09:12] <vahe> Mava: ?
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2260[12:11:04] <Mava> vahe: right so, ermm.. no ideas =( only 1 graphics card
2261[12:11:22] <Mava> since i'm dealing currently with much the same issue, but the machine is having problems due to dual graphics
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2263[12:12:49] <vahe> or os :D
2264[12:12:58] <vahe> Mava: thanks! ;)
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2274[12:18:15] <Roland-> hey folks, does anyone know if a raid 1 that sync the data in the background exists? Like I want to use an ssd but copy on write the data on a hdd but now with the hdd speed
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2283[12:21:51] <alta23> hi
2284[12:22:05] <alta23> recently i click on .deb files and they won't open installer
2285[12:22:11] <alta23> why this could be?
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2295[12:26:30] <whirm> Roland-: something like cachefs? replaced-url
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2297[12:27:12] <whirm> Roland-: but for local filesystems
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2300[12:27:42] <whirm> Roland-: replaced-url
2301[12:27:45] <de-facto> looking with "ldd" a binary depends also from file in packages libc6, libgcc1 are those usual dependencies or can they be ommitted in package deps?
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2306[12:31:55] <Roland-> Looking
2307[12:32:00] <Roland-> thanks
2308[12:32:15] <colo-work> hm, how would I most reliable map a given (host-local) ipv4 address to the host-local interface that address is configured on?
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2319[12:41:55] <Rovanion> xar-: Wow, this is amazingly bad. I'm finding that userdel is asking the AD server for every user in its directory to check if the user it wants to delete is there, even though it has no authority in the AD.
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2321[12:43:04] <Rovanion> xar-: How would one even manage to configure this?
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2331[12:49:23] <vahe> I want to reinstall the OS ,but don't want to lose the home folder
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2335[12:50:41] <markybob> great. go forth and be merry
2336[12:51:00] <vahe> replaced-url
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2342[12:53:12] <prago_1> vahe.... first of all backup your home folder... you did it?
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2347[12:54:22] <vahe> prago_1: Yes because I want to leave the folder Homa,the problem is that I initially foolishly did not share the folder
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2350[12:54:35] <vahe> Home*
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2357[12:56:04] <vahe> prago_1: now everything is in the home folder
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2359[12:56:51] <prago_1> vahe: you can just copy and paste the content of your home folder. just do a fresh install (after you are sure to have a good backup of home and your data) and copy the content to your new home folder
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2364[12:58:10] <vahe> prago_1: do not understand, I don't have a separate /home and where I copy it?
2365[12:58:21] <vahe> replaced-url
2366[12:58:28] <ChrisH> vahe: as you have no seperate Filesystem for /home you need to do the backup/recover war as prago_1 outlined. For future partion your disk, then you can keep partitions.
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2369[12:58:47] <ChrisH> vahe: you need to backup/copy it to some secure/safe place
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2376[13:02:35] <vahe> ChrisH: prago_1 thank you
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2379[13:03:01] <Rovanion> Should I be careful to post the output of a strace online?
2380[13:03:46] <Rovanion> Seems reasonable that the output could contain printouts of secrets if the strace is of userdel, right?
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2391[13:06:46] <vahe> ChrisH is it possible to take the piece from sda1?
2392[13:07:16] <vahe> for storing backups
2393[13:07:38] <vahe> I don't know where from will leave
2394[13:08:17] <vahe> sda 8:0 0 119.2G 0 disk
2395[13:08:17] <vahe> ├─sda1 8:1 0 114.4G 0 part /
2396[13:08:18] <vahe> └─sda5 8:5 0 4.9G 0 part [SWAP]
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2400[13:09:08] <vahe> how else to separate
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2405[13:13:38] <ChrisH> Rovanion: yas, could happen
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2408[13:14:16] <ChrisH> vahe: sda is not an option for a backup as you want to reinstall onto sda.
2409[13:15:38] <vahe> ChriSH divided into sda2 sda3
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2445[13:43:07] <FinalX> i'm making a debian package... how do I specify in my control-file that if a certain other package is installed, mine needs to be removed?
2446[13:43:14] <FinalX> or purged even.
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2450[13:44:56] <FinalX> I have Conflicts: now, and then it refuses to install, but if I install the other package, it just installs it without question
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2452[13:45:49] <Iridos> there's also Breaks
2453[13:46:05] <FinalX> hmm
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2456[13:46:37] <FinalX> problem is that they have identical filenames (trying to make a new rpaf module package while leaving the original package intact so it can also be installed if needed, instead of this one)
2457[13:46:41] <Iridos> have a look at replaced-url
2458[13:46:50] <sumi> hello
2459[13:46:53] <FinalX> ha, thanks, I just opened that hehe
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2461[13:47:15] <FinalX> I think 7.6.2 might be exactly what I need
2462[13:47:26] <Iridos> if packkages have the same name and only differ in version, only one of them can be installed anyway
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2465[13:48:19] <FinalX> no; I renamed the package to not confuse the two
2466[13:48:36] <FinalX> but they provide exactly the same files
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2469[13:49:01] <Iridos> "Replaces"?
2470[13:49:08] <Iridos> 7.6.2 Replacing whole packages, forcing their removal
2471[13:50:04] <Tadgy> Hi. I've done a base 'net install' from the mini ISO and would like to add a base set of command line apps to the system. Is there a meta package which I can install to pull in an expected set of utils?
2472[13:50:17] <FinalX> yeah, is what I had, but installing the original package didn't replace the config files. I suppose that's to be expected, though... but thanks, this helped me on my way
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2474[13:50:47] <Cloudwalker42> does anyone have an idea how to set an acl for a specifil folder which set the permission that "others" can read under user ownage root ?
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2483[13:54:14] <Iridos> Tadgy, wouldn't that depend on what programs you expect?
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2486[13:55:14] <Tadgy> Iridos: Sure... but there's a base set of utils you'd expect on any linux system.. not just coreutils, but extras such as whois or tree for example.
2487[13:55:31] <Iridos> I don't expect tree... and I never use it
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2489[13:56:02] <Iridos> there is tasksel in the tasksel package... and that should offer you the same tasks the installer offers
2490[13:56:06] <Tadgy> It was only an example of two things I found to be 'missing' in the last day
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2494[13:57:10] <Iridos> yeah... but it makes my point... I would have missed whois only after a year or so and tree probably never
2495[13:57:26] <Tadgy> I'll look into tasksel, thanks. But I was hoping for just a simple meta-package that installs a base set of utils.
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2497[13:58:14] <Tadgy> Iridos: I do see your point; and the content of such a package would be very subjective... but at least there would be an acknowledged 'base' set..
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2499[13:58:31] <FinalX> Iridos: yeah, seems 7.6.2 was exactly what I needed, works relatively cleanly now, apart from leaving libapache2-mod-rpaf behind in an "ic" state, but at least it installs/reinstalls nicely now without breaking functionality etc
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2501[13:59:00] <Iridos> Tadgy, but that is already always installed... the ssh-server tasksel task might be a thing, though
2502[13:59:09] <Iridos> there's also tags
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2504[14:00:03] <Tadgy> OK, thanks for the pointers :)
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2509[14:01:52] <Iridos> mmh, guess tags aren't too useful
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2513[14:04:03] <Iridos> something like aptitude search '?and(~G interface::text-mode,?and(~G scope::utility,~G role::program))'
2514[14:04:12] <Iridos> ... could also be used with aptitude install
2515[14:05:46] <unborn> anyone have any idea why spell check does not work in debian?
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2517[14:05:52] <unborn> *writer
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2519[14:06:29] <unborn> ah got it
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2541[14:18:46] <underinvest> Hi. My laptop seems to drop its wifi connection after some period of inactivity. Where would I find the settings controling this?
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2579[14:40:32] <babilen> [A
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2587[14:46:04] <somiaj> underinvest: how do you configure your wifi network (what tool?)
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2593[14:47:39] <dark12arrow> need help installing jessie backports to debian 7
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2595[14:47:53] <dark12arrow> getting below error repeatedly
2596[14:47:56] <dark12arrow> replaced-url
2597[14:48:27] <dark12arrow> shows up evrytime running : apt-get update
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2599[14:49:10] <towo^work> dark12arrow, and this has what to do with jessie-backports while you use wheezy?
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2601[14:49:39] <towo^work> jessie-backports are for jessie, as the name sugest
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2603[14:50:27] <dark12arrow> actually i was trying to install resiprocate
2604[14:50:47] <dark12arrow> through one of the methods specifiedd by an GSOC mentor
2605[14:51:00] <dark12arrow> i just went step by step
2606[14:51:14] <towo^work> you can't install things from jessie backports in wheezy
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2608[14:51:25] <dark12arrow> am a newbie to debian, ......linus actually
2609[14:51:27] <dark12arrow> ok
2610[14:51:32] <dark12arrow> thx
2611[14:51:43] <dark12arrow> *linux
2612[14:51:46] <alta23> hi, recently i click on .deb files and they won't open installer and when i press tab in terminal it wont suggest it's name. what can cause that?
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2614[14:52:23] <glennb> alta23, did you try 'dpkg -i file.deb' ?
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2617[14:53:03] <alta23> glennb: it worked, thank you
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2625[14:56:36] <dark12arrow> @towo^work, another one....installing reSIProcate requires a library libradcli-dev
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2627[14:57:15] <dark12arrow> however the guidelines i have to install reSIProcate requires jessie backports
2628[14:57:21] <somiaj> alta23: also be careful, random .deb files may not nicely install on your system. It is prefered you use apt with offical debian packges (note some third party .debs do install fine on jessie, just make sure you get one that is built for jessie and not some other debian version (or distro))
2629[14:57:34] <alta23> the real problem was I added a line to /etc/apt/apt.conf, no I can open from Thunar
2630[14:57:45] <towo^work> dark12arrow, then you have to use debian-jessie
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2632[14:58:03] <somiaj> dark12arrow: what do you mean by guidelines? Sounds like they were rewritten for jessie (and assume you would upgrade from wheezy->jessie)
2633[14:58:16] <dark12arrow> libraddcli-dev was not available in the package manger
2634[14:58:18] <somiaj> dark12arrow: note wheezy is gettings lts support, but you can also upgrade to jessie if you need software from jessie.
2635[14:58:32] <somiaj> ,v libraddcli-dev
2636[14:58:33] <judd> No package named 'libraddcli-dev' was found in amd64.
2637[14:58:47] <dark12arrow> neither in i-386
2638[14:59:14] <somiaj> yea I don't know what guidelines you are reading, but that is not a package in debian, so are you sure the guidelines were written for debian?
2639[14:59:32] <towo^work> libradcli-dev
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2642[14:59:56] <dark12arrow> wait a sec
2643[15:00:10] <somiaj> ahh that explains it, a typo
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2645[15:00:17] <towo^work> and it's not in stable
2646[15:00:30] <somiaj> yea, it is only in jessie-backports.
2647[15:00:36] <somiaj> (well that and testing/unstable)
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2649[15:00:42] <dark12arrow> replaced-url
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2651[15:01:10] <dark12arrow> this guy has listed the steps to install reSIProcate
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2653[15:01:32] <somiaj> dark12arrow: looks like he wrote them for jessie, if you are running wheezy it won't work.
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2668[15:06:35] <dark12arrow> so...........?
2669[15:06:56] <alakx> Hello. If i want to upgrade my distro. How can i do it without upgrading e.g. php packages?
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2673[15:07:41] <somiaj> alakx: what version of debian are you running? (And the answer is you can't, you will want to upgrade php with the rest of the packages)
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2677[15:08:11] <alakx> somiaj : I am running debian 5 and want to upgrade to Debian 6
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2681[15:08:36] <somiaj> alakx: both of those version of debian recive no security support. You should be running 7 or 8.
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2683[15:08:58] <jjulian> hey is there a way to start a service by systemctl start myService.service but don't have it auto start on boot? i tried disabling but then of course im not allow to start that script after boot manually
2684[15:09:10] <somiaj> alakx: but you don't want to just upgrade everything except php, you will want to upgrade everything.
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2686[15:09:52] <alakx> somiaj : Its a legacy appliance
2687[15:09:52] <alakx> unfortunately
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2689[15:10:17] <alakx> upgrading PHP will break the the running website
2690[15:10:19] <somiaj> jjulian: maybe putting a 'mask' on it, I'm unsure if that would do what you want. Also maybe there is an option to include in the unit file to say don't run at start
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2693[15:11:10] <somiaj> alakx: I'm unsure the best advise in this case. I personally woudln't want to be running a in secure website. But in terms of security support you wont' get any by upgrading to debian 6, so maybe just backport the software you need from debian 6.
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2696[15:11:35] <alakx> somiaj : Thank you.
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2712[15:18:55] <thursdaylark> I need to migrate a wheezy install from physical hardware to a KVM guest. Is there anything I should do other than copying the drive to an image and booting it?
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2714[15:19:34] <somiaj> you might have to get the bootloader working correctly, but otherwise than that, you should just be able to copy the filesystem over
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2716[15:20:38] <thursdaylark> somiaj: I was just gonna copy the entire block device to an image, so grub should follow. are you suggesting there would still be more work to do?
2717[15:21:16] <somiaj> Unsure, but that is the onlythign I can thikn of that can be an issue when copying an install from one machine to another (Being virtual shouldn't matter)
2718[15:21:33] <somiaj> so you may need to boot up in a rescue disk and reinstall grub
2719[15:21:35] <somiaj> !fixmbr
2720[15:21:36] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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2723[15:22:48] <somiaj> thursdaylark: grub may be capabile with UUID's to find the correct root fs and config file, and thus just work. I'm just saying that you might want to be prepared if it doesn't. (I don't know forsure)
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2725[15:23:20] <thursdaylark> coolio. Now I just gotta convince the one guy still using the machine to let me take it down for the time it would take to finish this :P Thanks for the info
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2732[15:28:18] <vostorga> Hi guys, have any of you installed debian on a smart array b140i ?
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2735[15:28:42] <Wulf> vostorga: no, what's that?
2736[15:29:13] <vostorga> hp proliant Dl120 G9
2737[15:29:27] <Wulf> vostorga: raid controller?
2738[15:29:35] <vostorga> yes
2739[15:29:35] <Wulf> vostorga: does it look to linux like a single block device=
2740[15:29:41] <Wulf> 3F
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2743[15:30:16] <vostorga> I'm using stretch alpha to install, installer detects two hard drives instead of the logical disk
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2745[15:30:35] <Wulf> vostorga: then it's probably a software raid
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2749[15:31:04] <Wulf> or not configured properly
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2751[15:31:29] <vostorga> apparently linux driver is hpdsa
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2754[15:31:49] <vostorga> ubuntu uses something called hpdsa-1.2.0-185.ubuntu1404.x86_64.img
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2756[15:32:23] <vostorga> So I guess it is possible to use something for debian
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2758[15:33:34] <vostorga> As far as I know, some debian developers work for HP
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2809[15:54:09] <ByteSorm> hey guys i hav a question
2810[15:54:32] <ByteSorm> so i was installing debian 8.5 on my virtual box
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2813[15:54:57] <ByteSorm> it weent well,except the part when installing the Grub Bootloader
2814[15:55:02] <ByteSorm> *went
2815[15:55:05] <ByteSorm> so
2816[15:55:24] <ByteSorm> is there a way to load the kernel without a boot loader
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2850[16:08:55] <afernandez_> ashholes
2851[16:08:59] <afernandez_> oops
2852[16:09:01] <afernandez_> sorry
2853[16:09:06] <afernandez_> not for here!!!
2854[16:09:10] <ByteSorm> guys pls help me
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2856[16:10:05] <afernandez_> Ask
2857[16:10:14] <ByteSorm> so i was installing debian 8.5 on my virtual box
2858[16:10:26] <afernandez_> sorry
2859[16:10:27] <ByteSorm> it weent well,except the part when installing the Grub Bootloader
2860[16:10:29] <afernandez_> I saw it
2861[16:10:46] <ByteSorm> is there a way to load the kernel without a boot loader
2862[16:11:01] <somiaj> ByteSorm: you will want to reinstall the bootloader
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2866[16:11:20] <somiaj> ByteSorm: I assume the vm is using legacy boot, or dose it use efi boot?
2867[16:11:21] <ByteSorm> the boot loader cant be installed
2868[16:11:32] <ByteSorm> efi i guess
2869[16:11:36] <somiaj> ByteSorm: why not? It should be able to be installed.
2870[16:11:42] <somiaj> ByteSorm: are you sure?
2871[16:11:43] <ByteSorm> wait
2872[16:11:47] <ByteSorm> wait
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2874[16:12:21] <somiaj> by default it is going to be legacy (mbr), and in this case you need a bootloader
2875[16:12:24] <somiaj> !fixmbr
2876[16:12:25] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
2877[16:12:36] <somiaj> you can just install the bootloader though, no need to reinstall
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2880[16:12:45] <ByteSorm> akkk
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2885[16:13:00] <ByteSorm> i deleted the vm settings box
2886[16:13:06] <ByteSorm> *file
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2895[16:15:36] <ByteSorm> somiaj is tht a process to load the kernel???
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2897[16:16:14] <matthavener> is it possible to disable pam-auth-update on debian wheezy? I'm using config management to directly manage /etc/pam.d/* and installing pam packages triggering pam-auth-update to change those files
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2899[16:16:43] <somiaj> ByteSorm: no that is the process to reinstall the bootloader if you boot up from a debian live image.
2900[16:16:51] <ByteSorm> ok
2901[16:16:53] <jmd> How do I get a file to run on boot up? /etc/rc.local doesn't seem to work since systemd messed everything up.
2902[16:17:18] <somiaj> jmd: systemd should support /etc/rc.local did you ensure that it has chmod +x /etc/rc.local
2903[16:17:29] <somiaj> jmd: I'm unsure of anything special you need to do to get it to work.
2904[16:17:33] <ByteSorm> should the vm enable EFI ??? somiaj???
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2906[16:17:35] <jmd> somiaj: Yep. I checked that.
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2908[16:17:50] <somiaj> jmd: systemd also supports LSB init scripts, so if you had an init script wiht LSB headers in /etc/init.d systemd will run it
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2910[16:18:07] <somiaj> jmd: you can also write your own unit file and put it in /etc/systemd/system (unit files are not to hard to write)
2911[16:18:12] <jmd> somiaj: I tried that too.
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2914[16:18:48] <somiaj> jmd: what does 'systemctl rc-local.service' return
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2916[16:19:01] <somiaj> jmd: arg, systemctl status rc-local
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2918[16:19:29] <ByteSorm> somiaj???
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2922[16:19:54] <__marco> Hi
2923[16:19:55] <somiaj> ByteSorm: If you are using legacy boot, then don't worry about efi.
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2925[16:20:13] <jmd> Lots of stuff. including "Failed at step EXEC spawning /etc/rc.local: Exec format error"
2926[16:20:14] <ByteSorm> no i hav a 2007 era computer
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2929[16:20:27] <__marco> I installed python-tox and seems that it uses python3 as default? Is this a debian's policy?
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2936[16:21:29] <somiaj> jmd: sounds like there is an error with the rc.local script. On my system here it ran just fine (though the script is empty)
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2939[16:22:03] <jmd> ok. So if I change it to a single line file containing "exit 0" then it shoudl work ?
2940[16:22:04] <somiaj> jmd: it could also be the actual unit file, but I'm unsure why you woudln't have the standard debian provided unit file, did you create your own unit file for rc.local?
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2943[16:22:39] <jmd> Its a bog standard file. a shell script.
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2950[16:25:17] <jmd> The whole systemd story was a bad move IMO
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2953[16:25:51] <somiaj> jmd: this isn't the place to discuss that (I personally like the init part of systemd, it actually has some nice features -- but that is besides the point).
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2955[16:26:27] <somiaj> jmd: if you put an exit 0 at the top of the rc.local file and run it and systemctl status rc-local still has errors then the issue is with the unit file
2956[16:26:38] <jmd> somiaj: yes.
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2958[16:26:52] <somiaj> jmd: I'm unsure why you are not using the default unit file. Under 'loaded' what is the path of the unit file it is loading for rc-local.service?
2959[16:27:43] <jmd> You keep on talking about "the default unit file". What is that? Where do I get it, and if it is default, then why isn't it installed? This is a brand new installation.
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2962[16:28:38] <somiaj> jmd: when you ran systemctl status rc-local near the top it should tell you the path of the unit file, the default is located at /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service
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2964[16:29:02] <jmd> Yes. That's the one.
2965[16:29:09] <somiaj> jmd: you can have custom unit files in /etc/systemd/system, so if you have a custom unit file it will be used instead of the default, so I just want to make sure you are loading the default unit file shipped with jessie
2966[16:29:53] <jmd> Yes. Its the default. I have no custom files in /etc/
2967[16:30:09] <somiaj> jmd: replaced-url
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2969[16:30:23] <somiaj> jmd: try the 'exit 0' at the top of the script and see if systemd runs the rc.local script just fine
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2971[16:30:48] <jmd> Tried that (I thought I mentioned it 5 mins ago)
2972[16:30:52] <somiaj> jmd: and systemctl status rc-local is a good way to debug why it isn't running, you can tell systemctl to list more errors if needed.
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2975[16:31:12] <somiaj> jmd: and systemctl status rc-local still has the same errors about Exeec format error?
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2977[16:32:14] <jmd> mm somethign slightly different now. "Failed to start /etc/rc.local Compatibility"
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2985[16:36:08] <somiaj> jmd: try systemctl -n 100 -l status rc-local
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2987[16:36:25] <somiaj> jmd: this should list all the logs systemctl has and see if you can see why rc.local is failing to start.
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2992[16:38:02] <jmd> Basically the same as before. The first error seems to be "Process: 785 ExecStart=/etc/rc.local start (code=exited, status=203/EXEC)"
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3002[16:40:38] <somiaj> jmd: I still think it is the script is exiting with an error code and systemd doesn't like that.
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3004[16:41:19] <jmd> somiaj: the script contains "exit 0" and when I run it manually, it does indeed exit with a status of zero.
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3009[16:42:48] <somiaj> jmd: maybe #systemd can help, it should work but I don't see what could be going on. I pointed you to the logs that can help debug it, but I'm not that familar with all the different errors systemd could run into.
3010[16:43:07] <jmd> ok thanks.
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3012[16:43:43] <jmd> (last time I asked for help on #systemd they said don't waste our time - ask on the forum for your OS)
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3019[16:46:00] <somiaj> jmd: maybe someone here can pip up if you wait. It just seems systemd is erroring out for some reason and I'm not sure why, nor have the time to debug/test it myself.
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3023[16:46:58] <Boreeas_> I can't create any files or directories in my homedir, and bash's tab-completion complains that it can't create a temp file for heredoc
3024[16:47:12] <Boreeas_> In every case, I get a no space left on device
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3026[16:47:21] <Boreeas_> But there seems to be plenty of space here: replaced-url
3027[16:47:25] <Boreeas_> Can someone help me?
3028[16:47:32] <djdelta> Hello everyone! Someone could help me with freeradius 3 install?
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3030[16:48:14] <somiaj> Boreeas_: what is the output of 'echo $HOME'
3031[16:48:25] <somiaj> Boreeas_: also what is the output of 'mount'
3032[16:48:34] <Boreeas_> as expected, /home/schuetze
3033[16:49:09] <somiaj> Boreeas_: ls -ld /home/schuetze (is the ownership of the directory correct)? Do you have quotas enabled?
3034[16:49:15] <Boreeas_> mount looks like this replaced-url
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3038[16:49:27] <Sabcat> Boreeas_: Is disk space is enough ?
3039[16:49:57] <alta233> what can cause "Connection to PulseAudio failed" message when i open mixer?
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3041[16:50:14] <Boreeas_> somiaj: Yeah, my home dir belongs to me
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3044[16:51:03] <Boreeas_> Sabcat: Should be, see my first link
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3046[16:51:27] <somiaj> Boreeas_: yea seems odd to me too. Are you sure you don't have quota's enabled (I woudln't know the best way to check this though)
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3048[16:51:52] <Boreeas_> somiaj: Shouldn't be. This is a pretty bare-bones installation
3049[16:52:05] <thursdaylark> What's the recommended way to disable and stop a service from package installation? I have an internal tool that needs to stop and disable getty@tty1.service when it's installed
3050[16:52:07] <Sabcat> Ok. didn't see the link ^^
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3053[16:52:52] <somiaj> thursdaylark: I think you will want to mask the service (as opposed to disable), this should also keep hooks/trigers from starting it
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3057[16:53:19] <Form> trying to track down a bug that causes /tmp not to be cleared sometimes on some of our Wheezy hosts even though TMPTIME=0 and so on
3058[16:53:22] <Form> any suggestions?
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3061[16:54:34] <thursdaylark> somiaj: good idea.
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3066[16:56:10] <thursdaylark> ooh, and that makes it as easy as creating a symlink. coolio
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3075[16:59:23] <Boreeas_> somiaj, Sabcat: Figured it out. Ran out of inodes
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3078[17:00:17] <somiaj> Boreeas_: good. (:
3079[17:00:37] <Boreeas_> kinda
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3081[17:00:49] <Sabcat> Boreas_: ;)
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3099[17:07:58] <pryorda> anyone know what would be updating the files/directories at 6:30 in the morning.
3100[17:08:37] <FinalX> crontab -l; cat /etc/cron.d/* #?
3101[17:09:15] <somiaj> yea cron will do things on regular intervals
3102[17:09:18] <greycat> Also cat /etc/crontab
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3104[17:09:35] <greycat> The default cron.daily runs at 06:25 from /etc/crontab
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3107[17:09:48] <somiaj> there is also /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.weekly, etc that have multiple scripts in them
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3109[17:10:04] <greycat> Right, triggered by the line in /etc/crontab
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3111[17:10:46] <pryorda> I did that
3112[17:10:56] <pryorda> nothing stands out
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3117[17:11:22] <greycat> Really? The line that says 25 6 ... cron.daily ... did not stand o ut?
3118[17:12:04] <pryorda> greycat I already suspected it was a daily task
3119[17:12:08] <pryorda> just not sure which one
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3121[17:13:14] <pryorda> popularity-contest was my first suspect
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3123[17:13:29] <pryorda> that just looks like it gathers stats though
3124[17:13:39] <alta23> hello, PulseAudio writes "Connection to PulseAudio failed" (when i open mixer) I reinstalled it, edited /etc/pulse/default.pa and it's still not working. can someone help?
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3126[17:14:19] <afernandez_> alta23: /join #pulseaudio
3127[17:14:42] <alta23> afernandez: thank you
3128[17:14:47] <afernandez_> np
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3140[17:19:39] <aatchison> hey guys
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3142[17:20:03] <aatchison> Any change that there is a channel for debpackaging in general?
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3144[17:21:19] <somiaj> aatchison: first read the debian new matainers guide, then #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is a good place to ask packaging questions
3145[17:21:19] <greycat> Depends on how much detail/guidance you need. We cover basic stuff. The OFTC channels have the real experts.
3146[17:21:27] <aatchison> also, reprepro repos
3147[17:21:33] <aatchison> ok, cool
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3149[17:21:56] <aatchison> Where might I find the OFTC? I'll still bug you guys hehe
3150[17:22:01] <greycat> !oftc
3151[17:22:01] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
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3153[17:22:28] <aatchison> Thanks!
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3194[17:30:21] <MoonyTheDwarf> spam
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3197[17:30:43] <MoonyTheDwarf> whats with all the join/leave spam?
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3211[17:35:02] <Gaiseric> Hello everyone! Running Jessie here, and I wonder about the iceweasel -> firefox-esr update: It doesn't conflict with latest "firefox" from backports if run side-by-side, right? I assume it uses "~/.firefox-esr" for storing the profile?
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3214[17:35:39] <MoonyTheDwarf> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER MoonyTheDwarf aukljtjtdubv
3215[17:35:45] <MoonyTheDwarf> .-.
3216[17:35:50] <Gaiseric> !!
3217[17:35:50] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
3218[17:36:07] <Gaiseric> MoonyTheDwarf: At least you're using a secure, long password :P
3219[17:36:13] <MoonyTheDwarf> -;
3220[17:36:21] <MoonyTheDwarf> thats not my passwrd
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3222[17:36:27] <MoonyTheDwarf> thats the verification code
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3224[17:36:32] <MoonyTheDwarf> :P
3225[17:36:44] <Gaiseric> hehe
3226[17:36:51] <Gaiseric> should be ok then
3227[17:37:13] <MoonyTheDwarf> a tip: always check for a space before running commands, or better, just run them in the status screen
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3231[17:37:40] <MoonyTheDwarf> anyways, what would be a good way to secure a bot that connects irc users to a debian shell?
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3234[17:38:37] <Gaiseric> MoonyTheDwarf: No idea, but the obvious things are: Separate user account with VERY limited privileges and chrooting to a read-only environment
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3236[17:39:05] <MoonyTheDwarf> Readonly? not easy in this case, they are allowed files, its seperate with no sudo
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3238[17:39:19] <greycat> MoonyTheDwarf: shbot runs in a VM that is launched separately for every invocation, and is destroyed after 5 seconds.
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3241[17:39:49] <greycat> MoonyTheDwarf: replaced-url
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3244[17:40:33] <Gaiseric> MoonyTheDwarf: I use unionfs+tmpfs to run untrusted software, this way all changes are saved to RAM and nothing is permanent; then chroot into that
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3246[17:40:56] <Gaiseric> MoonyTheDwarf: Similar to how a liveCD does permit installation of software
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3248[17:41:09] <MoonyTheDwarf> kk
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3250[17:41:51] <MoonyTheDwarf> someone tryed rm -rf and though they broke my bot
3251[17:41:54] <MoonyTheDwarf> they didnt
3252[17:42:00] <MoonyTheDwarf> everything lived
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3254[17:42:20] <greycat> Yes, they will try that. And then they will try the infamous bash fork that begins with :()
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3256[17:42:26] <greycat> fork bomb*
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3258[17:42:43] <MoonyTheDwarf> i noticed
3259[17:42:45] <greycat> And then they will try filling up the disk, etc.
3260[17:43:06] <MoonyTheDwarf> however, i just love virtualbox's snapshots feature
3261[17:43:12] <MoonyTheDwarf> It helps
3262[17:43:16] <Gaiseric> greycat: Right, forgot about the fork bombs; I bet my setup is still vulnerable to that, but I use it to protect my system from myself, so I don't worry too much
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3268[17:44:46] <MoonyTheDwarf> also, they didnt invoke it right in the first place
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3283[17:47:53] * Gaiseric loves unionfs and might be able to provide some pointers, since it's a pain to set up
3284[17:48:02] <MoonyTheDwarf> i need them
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3287[17:48:22] <MoonyTheDwarf> im the kind of person who has never used ssh :P
3288[17:49:16] <NoImNotNineVolt> telnet4life
3289[17:49:32] <MoonyTheDwarf> so
3290[17:49:38] <MoonyTheDwarf> how do i use unionfs? :P
3291[17:50:00] <MoonyTheDwarf> and first of all, what package is it in
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3322[18:07:36] <kejsi564> im running debian 8 jessie, and this is the graphic card that im missing ( VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290] [1002:9807])
3323[18:07:58] <greycat> ,pciid 1002:9807
3324[18:07:59] <kejsi564> should i add this line to my sources list : deb replaced-url
3325[18:07:59] <judd> [1002:9807] is 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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3333[18:10:40] <kejsi564> judd yeah thats the one
3334[18:10:52] <kejsi564> where can i download the driver ?
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3340[18:12:18] <LtL> kejsi564: it should be detected by the kernel and loaded by same
3341[18:13:22] <jhutchins> kejsi564: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is very noisy but will tell you what driver it's using.
3342[18:13:23] <kejsi564> LtL its not doing anything anyway to diagnose this with terminal ?
3343[18:13:35] <kejsi564> let me check
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3347[18:13:56] <jhutchins> kejsi564: Are you getting no GUI? A black screen or a console?
3348[18:14:21] <LtL> kejsi564: modprobe radeon (i just started watching this thread)
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3352[18:15:24] <LtL> where does it say, 'practice your bot here'?
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3355[18:15:29] <LtL> oopps
3356[18:15:31] <greycat> So judd's wrong? It doesn't actually work in jessie?
3357[18:16:08] <kejsi564> jhutchins everything is big like icons and stuff plus it runs very slow, it wont play music and movies like it says it needs graphic card
3358[18:16:26] <kejsi564> LtL there is like 3012 lines of code ..
3359[18:16:35] <kejsi564> what should i be looking for ?
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3361[18:17:03] <kejsi564> modprobe radeon ?
3362[18:17:07] <kejsi564> whats that ?
3363[18:17:15] <jhutchins> kejsi564: So your problem is not that it can't find the video card, it's that it's not optimized the way you think it should be.
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3365[18:17:37] <kejsi564> how can i optimize this ?
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3368[18:17:48] <penrod> greetings, is the dell perc 6i raid controller , a hardware raid ?
3369[18:17:49] <LtL> keltim: i don't follow you, what? radeon is apparently the driver your card wants i assume, modprode will load it
3370[18:17:51] <kejsi564> i cant chnage the resolution in debian
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3373[18:18:26] <jhutchins> kejsi564: Again, /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you which driver it's using. If it is using the radeon driver, there might be other problems.
3374[18:18:46] <jhutchins> kejsi564: How did you try to change the resolution?
3375[18:19:14] <jhutchins> penrod: It has the potential to set one up.
3376[18:19:18] <kejsi564> i did not change anything but i was looking at the settings but could not find it
3377[18:19:44] <alta23> how can i chmod specific uid e.g 27?
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3379[18:19:57] <greycat> chmod changes permissions, not UID
3380[18:20:09] <greycat> chown changes the UID that owns the file
3381[18:20:10] <kejsi564> Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
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3385[18:21:03] <alta23> i mean to give permission to a pseudo-user, eg 'chmod ug+rw /etc/something' but for UID 27
3386[18:21:18] <penrod> jhutchins, potential , what other route would one go ? I would think you would select hardware raid over software. am I missing something ?
3387[18:21:39] <greycat> alta23: Are you asking about ACLs? You want to give a specific set of permissions to one user who is NOT the file's owner and who is NOT identifiable by a group?
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3389[18:21:54] <kejsi564> jhutchins let me make a paste
3390[18:21:59] <kejsi564> what i have
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3393[18:22:44] <alta23> yes, (ACL stands for Access control list i guess)
3394[18:22:51] <greycat> alta23: man setfacl
3395[18:23:01] <greycat> It's a ginormous pain in the ass. Have fun.
3396[18:23:02] <petn-randall> alta23: As discussed in the other channel, you're not running Debian. Feel free to ask in here if you're actually running a Debian release.
3397[18:23:42] <jhutchins> kejsi564: It won't do much good for me to know what the problem is, you're the one who needs to fix it.
3398[18:23:53] <alta23> i actually running a debian release
3399[18:24:03] <petn-randall> alta23: You said you're running MX Linux.
3400[18:24:20] <kejsi564> jhutchins replaced-url
3401[18:24:25] <kejsi564> where do i go from here
3402[18:24:26] <jhutchins> kejsi564: xrandr is the utility that usually changes GUI settings on the fly. THere is often a tray module (xrandrtray) to access it, or CLI.
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3404[18:24:56] <kejsi564> im not that good with debian ...
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3406[18:24:59] <wewlad> !pastebin
3407[18:24:59] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
3408[18:25:10] <jhutchins> kejsi564: This is your chance to get better.
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3410[18:25:35] <kejsi564> like what should i do right now to fix this ?
3411[18:25:43] <kejsi564> like where do i go
3412[18:25:55] <alta23> greycat: thank you
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3415[18:26:16] <wewlad> How to make the bot tell me why I shouldn't use pastebin.com?
3416[18:26:26] <greycat> Because it's full of ads and javascript.
3417[18:26:30] <Guest18201> hello all, I get this error W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
3418[18:27:03] <greycat> !httpredir issues
3419[18:27:03] <dpkg> The <httpredir> service selects bad mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly choosing a mirror: "deb replaced-url
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3422[18:27:28] <Guest18201> greycat, tks apparenlty running update again I didn't get the error
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3425[18:27:50] <Guest18201> I guess it automatically don't use the bad mirror again?
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3427[18:28:07] <greycat> You got lucky the second time, or unlucky the first time, or both.
3428[18:28:13] <Guest18201> I see
3429[18:28:29] <petn-randall> Guest18201: There's a small chance that the mirror is mid-sync when you run 'apt-get update', in that case you can get a hashsum mismatch.
3430[18:28:37] <greycat> I have terrible, terrible luck with httpredir, and no problems at all with ftp.us.debian.org. *shrug*
3431[18:28:39] <Guest18201> petn-randall, ah
3432[18:28:53] <petn-randall> Guest18201: There are changes proposed in apt that will make that not happen in the next release.
3433[18:29:03] <petn-randall> *anymore
3434[18:29:09] <Guest18201> nice
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3437[18:30:14] <kejsi564> jhutchins what should i do now ?
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3440[18:33:54] <pryorda> Still haveing trouble finding what is being executed that updates the mtime on those dirs.
3441[18:34:07] <pryorda> Any help would be appreciated.
3442[18:34:56] <greycat> How the hell are we supposed to answer that when you haven't said *what directory*? Hell, this is the first time you've even used the word "directory".
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3444[18:35:09] <greycat> Or "mtime".
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3446[18:35:44] <jim87> Hello! I've just installed Debian Jessie on my desktop computer. It has an nVidia GTX 970 onboard, but I think I'm not using it "for real". glxgears runs smoothly, that's true, but all the GNOME3 animations seem not to happen (for example when I switch workspace with the shortcut CTRL+ALT+[up/down], I don't see it)... maybe it's just a configuration thing and the nouveau driver is already running fine?
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3448[18:35:57] <petn-randall> pryorda: You can use inotifywatch to get notifications when a programm accesses a certain file or directory. But maybe you want to tell us about what problem you're trying to solve.
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3451[18:36:56] <petn-randall> jim87: You can check the output of 'glxinfo' if you have hardware acceleration working. I don't use gnome3, but I'm guessing that Debian doesn't activate all that eye-candy by default.
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3455[18:37:42] <jim87> petn-randall: checking the glxinfo right now... strange though, I've got a workstation at the office and a laptop with Debian Jessie installed, too, and it has.
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3457[18:37:56] <nex`> anyone experiencing black screen flickering on debian testing and unstable in the last days with lenovo computer with intel hd cards?
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3460[18:38:17] <jhutchins> kejsi564: I have no idea. You need to read through the file and try to understand what it's telling you. Look at the top where it explains things like that EE means an error. See if you can figure out what driver it ends up loading, and how it guesses your display's geometry, which is where it might be failing.
3461[18:38:18] <petn-randall> nex`: You might want to ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net.
3462[18:38:34] <jim87> petn-randall: which line should I check?
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3464[18:38:52] <aoluser> nex`: i experience that but im on a dell with nvidia
3465[18:38:59] <jhutchins> kejsi564: The fragment you showed me was just X trying the Radeon driver (and a couple others).
3466[18:39:20] <petn-randall> jim87: 'direct rendering: Yes'
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3468[18:39:42] <jim87> petn-randall: yep, it's running :)
3469[18:39:58] <nex`> aoluser: found any cause for it? it's really annoying
3470[18:40:02] <jim87> never understood what's the best for performance / stability: nouveau or nvidia proprietary
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3472[18:40:33] <jim87> and if it's nvidia, why is nouveau suggested, other than being free software of course
3473[18:40:36] <jhutchins> !tell kejsi564 about radeon
3474[18:40:39] <petn-randall> jim87: Nouveau brings better stability and works out of the box, but newer cards might not be supported yet.
3475[18:40:46] <pryorda> petn-randall: I'm noticed that the mtime on various directories in /etc and /etc itself get updated daily with a new mtime.
3476[18:40:48] <jim87> petn-randall: thanks :)
3477[18:40:56] <pryorda> noticing*
3478[18:41:01] <pryorda> Trying to figure out whats doing it.
3479[18:41:28] <kejsi564> jhutchins let me see what i can do
3480[18:41:54] <jhutchins> kejsi564: Check out the resources dpkg just msgd you about.
3481[18:41:54] <petn-randall> pryorda: Have you already found out which files that are? find's -mtime option might work for you.
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3483[18:42:34] <jhutchins> kejsi564: My radeon just works, so I don't have any experience fixing bad resolution.
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3490[18:45:39] <pryorda> Yeah I found all the files that were modified.
3491[18:45:50] <pryorda> AIDE sent that to me
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3493[18:46:04] <kejsi564> jhutchins maybe i should add something to the sources list ?
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3508[18:52:01] <jhutchins> kejsi564: No, you have the files you need. Read some of the stuff dpkg linked to you, I think there's an explanation of setting up the acceleration, and what that means.
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3514[18:52:33] <petn-randall> pryorda: Then install inotify-tools, and run it with the right options until something pops up.
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3517[18:52:55] <jhutchins> kejsi564: I haven't done this lately, like I said, mine just works. Finding errors in the log would be a good pointer of what needs to be fixed.
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3520[18:53:29] <jhutchins> kejsi564: THere might also be info on your particular Radeon on the Xorg web page, or on the Debian Wiki.
3521[18:53:32] <kejsi564> jhutchins maybe the card is not supported
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3524[18:53:58] <jhutchins> kejsi564: According to the database it is supported by the radeon driver.
3525[18:54:06] <kejsi564> oh
3526[18:54:07] <jhutchins> kejsi564: If it were not supported, you would not get a GUI.
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3530[18:55:26] <jhutchins> kejsi564: It might be _better_ supported by the driver from ATI, but those have their own problems, and aren't easy for someone who isn't used to managing code.
3531[18:55:41] <kejsi564> jhutchins but the weird thing is
3532[18:55:42] <Jaro> don't you need a later kernel for radeon?
3533[18:55:58] <kejsi564> that when it plays the movie
3534[18:55:58] <jhutchins> Jaro: No, radeons have been around since 2.4.
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3537[18:56:17] <kejsi564> it like shows the picture but it stopes like there is a huge delay
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3539[18:56:40] <kejsi564> because i was thinking maybe thats how it should be
3540[18:56:48] <kejsi564> idk
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3542[18:57:06] <jhutchins> kejsi564: That suggests that acceleration isn't working, and that the CPU is having to do a lot of the grapics work.
3543[18:57:07] <kejsi564> i wish there was an option to change the resolution
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3546[18:57:15] <jhutchins> kejsi564: There is, xrandr.
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3548[18:57:53] <Jaro> maybe I'm thinking of open source driver
3549[18:57:56] <jhutchins> kejsi564: You can also force a configuration with xorg.conf or an xorg.conf.d file, but you have to know what settings you need. Hence the reading.
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3553[18:58:28] <jhutchins> Jaro: You might be thinking of the KMS option, but that's been supported for quite a while now.
3554[18:58:48] <kejsi564> jhutchins how to find xrandr ?
3555[18:58:51] <jhutchins> Jaro: If it were a very new version of a Radeon, it might not be in the xorg driver yet, but this one appears to be.
3556[18:59:01] <jhutchins> !search
3557[18:59:01] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
3558[18:59:07] <Jaro> replaced-url
3559[18:59:32] <jhutchins> kejsi564: Jaro's link is a good place to start.
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3565[19:00:06] <Jaro> Proprietary, binary-only firmware (aka microcode) was removed from the Debian kernel's radeon DRM driver in linux-2.6 2.6.29-1, to resolve Debian bug 494009. The firmware can be provided by installing the firmware-linux-nonfree package.
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3567[19:00:12] <jhutchins> kejsi564: xrandr is usually installed, just type xrandr in an xterm.
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3571[19:00:37] <kejsi564> ok
3572[19:00:56] <jhutchins> kejsi564: Pay attention to what Jaro's posting too.
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3575[19:01:15] <kejsi564> yeah i will try this line : apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati
3576[19:01:18] <kejsi564> see if that helps
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3580[19:01:44] <jhutchins> kejsi564: You can search the output of dmesg for messages about firmware. I usually do dmesg | less so I can search and scroll.
3581[19:02:09] <jhutchins> kejsi564: learn to use less' search commands / and ?
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3584[19:02:38] <jhutchins> kejsi564: good luck.
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3586[19:03:09] <jhutchins> Myself, I like to identify the problem rather than just trying random solutions. ymmv.
3587[19:03:17] <pryorda> petn-randall: thats one way to do it. Just was hoping you guys would know of a job that was doing it already.
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3592[19:05:18] <kejsi564> jhutchins replaced-url
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3600[19:06:58] <kejsi564> jhutchins
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3602[19:07:04] <kejsi564> i think we found the problem !
3603[19:07:10] <kejsi564> please look at this
3604[19:07:15] <kejsi564> [ 30.072443] [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree.
3605[19:07:35] <jhutchins> kejsi564: Looks like you nailed it!
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3608[19:07:48] <kejsi564> yes plus this too
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3610[19:07:49] <kejsi564> r8169 0000:01:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw (-2)
3611[19:07:51] <wsky> hey can anyone tell me how to install backported cinnamon on debian 8?
3612[19:07:52] <jhutchins> kejsi564: I've got an r300.
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3614[19:08:04] <jhutchins> !cinnamon
3615[19:08:05] <dpkg> Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. replaced-url
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3618[19:08:25] <dgarstang> How can I create an initial default debian package changelog file?
3619[19:08:33] <wsky> !install cinnamon
3620[19:08:33] <dpkg> To install <Cinnamon> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-environment». To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Cinnamon" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
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3628[19:09:35] <wsky> jhutchins: replaced-url
3629[19:09:40] <kejsi564> jhutchins any idea what should i do now
3630[19:09:41] <kejsi564> ?
3631[19:09:42] <wsky> that's why i'm asking ^
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3633[19:09:49] <LtL> kejsi564: # apt-get install firmware-linux-non-free - reboot
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3635[19:10:28] <wsky> i think backports are missing packages
3636[19:10:41] <kejsi564> LtL ok
3637[19:10:48] <Jaro> kejsi564, that other message is for realtek. probably a net card
3638[19:10:50] <jhutchins> kejsi564: Install the firmware package. You'll probably find it easier to reboot than to stop the GUI, unload and reload the module, then restart the GUI.
3639[19:10:54] <LtL> kejsi564: # apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree - reboot
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3642[19:11:14] <kejsi564> i will try
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3645[19:11:48] <wsky> any opinions anyon
3646[19:11:50] <wsky> anyone?
3647[19:11:59] <jhutchins> wsky: Backports do not contain a full set of Debian packages, but they should have all of the packages that are necessary to install a given backport. Some dependencies might be in contrib or non-free.
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3649[19:12:06] <kejsi564> it says Unable to locate package firmware-linux-non-free
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3651[19:12:22] <LtL> kejsi564: typo # apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree - reboot
3652[19:12:22] <jhutchins> kejsi564: Do you have non-free enabled in your sources list?
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3654[19:12:47] <kejsi564> yeah i think so
3655[19:13:28] <wsky> jhutchins: i got main contrib and non-free enable on all of my debian repositories
3656[19:13:31] <kejsi564> firmware-linux-nonfree is already the newest version.
3657[19:13:35] <towo`> kejsi564, don't think, know
3658[19:14:18] <Jaro> wsky, was there anymore to that message, somtimes they suggest to do an apt-get install -f or dpkg configure -a, I haven't used debian in a while so don't know the correct commands
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3661[19:14:38] <Jaro> see if a command is suggested
3662[19:14:40] <towo`> kejsi564, uname -a
3663[19:14:49] <wsky> jhutchins: also the gir1.2-meta-muffin-0.0 is complitly unavailable on the backports page
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3665[19:15:08] <towo`> kejsi564, and the packahge is named firmware-linux-nonfree
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3667[19:15:32] <kejsi564> Linux bre333 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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3671[19:15:50] <towo`> kejsi564, which graphics card?
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3673[19:15:57] <wsky> !backports
3674[19:15:57] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
3675[19:16:14] <towo`> kejsi564, lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display"
3676[19:16:29] <wsky> jhutchins: replaced-url
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3680[19:16:40] <kejsi564> radeon_pci_probe
3681[19:16:45] <wsky> those packages are missing
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3684[19:16:57] <jhutchins> towo`: We established a while back that it's a supported radeon.
3685[19:17:04] <kejsi564> yeah
3686[19:17:22] <kejsi564> this is very strange
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3689[19:17:37] <jhutchins> kejsi564: So did you install the firmware package?
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3692[19:17:57] <kejsi564> jhutchins yes
3693[19:17:59] <jhutchins> kejsi564: Ah, I see you did, did you reboot?
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3695[19:18:00] <kejsi564> it said
3696[19:18:02] <kejsi564> firmware-linux-nonfree is already the newest version.
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3698[19:18:10] <kejsi564> should I ?
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3700[19:18:35] <kejsi564> it did say it was already installed
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3703[19:18:42] <jhutchins> kejsi564: I think so. There's an implication that it should have already been there, but we need to eliminate that as a possibility.
3704[19:18:45] <wsky> jhutchins: is there a channel for debian backports?
3705[19:18:52] <kejsi564> ok give me few minutes
3706[19:18:53] <jhutchins> wsky: Nope.
3707[19:18:57] <kejsi564> i will restart the system
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3709[19:19:00] <kejsi564> and brb
3710[19:19:03] <jhutchins> wsky: There's a mailing list.
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3714[19:19:52] <jhutchins> wsky: Should be archived with the rest of the debian lists, you could search the backlog for cinnamon.
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3717[19:21:34] <jhutchins> towo`: So it's not clear whether he had the firmware at last boot, but he did find messages complaining that it was missing, so...
3718[19:21:47] <jhutchins> towo`: I guess we're sure he has it now, and maybe it'll pick up.
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3721[19:23:04] <petn-randall> pryorda: We don't know what you installed, thus we don't know what it's doing. On a blank minimal installation nothing should be writing there. I'm guessing you've got puppet, chef or something running?
3722[19:23:20] <dgarstang> How can I update the version in DEBIAN/control file?
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3725[19:23:38] <petn-randall> dgarstang: Are you editing binary packages?
3726[19:23:44] <kejsi564> back
3727[19:23:55] <petn-randall> pryorda: If you tell us which files that are, we might be able to tell you what changes them.
3728[19:23:55] <jhutchins> kejsi564: And?
3729[19:23:59] <kejsi564> it works perfectly !
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3731[19:24:03] <kejsi564> i cant believe it
3732[19:24:06] <kejsi564> honestly
3733[19:24:08] <Jaro> lol
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3736[19:24:29] <dgarstang> petn-randall: building a private debian package
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3738[19:24:40] <jhutchins> kejsi564: So the steps that helped were searching the dmesg output, finding the lack of firmware, and installing and rebooting.
3739[19:24:47] <kejsi564> thanks for the help everyone
3740[19:24:54] <kejsi564> yes
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3742[19:25:00] <kfogel> Unetbootin used to be packaged in Debian ('testing' distro, which I'm running), but now it seems not to be packaged for testing -- only for oldstable and unstable. Anyone know the story? Do I have to build it from source now on 'testing'?
3743[19:25:04] <kejsi564> pretty much that dmesg was very helpful
3744[19:25:10] <dgarstang> petn-randall: Building it with dpkg-deb, but that uses DEBIAN/control, and dch -i needs debian/control. Confused.
3745[19:25:11] <kejsi564> i need to test sound and video
3746[19:25:12] <petn-randall> dgarstang: Use any editor you like. Keep in mind though that the usual way to produce packages is to edit the source packages and then build them.
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3748[19:25:23] <jhutchins> kejsi564: It also helped that Jaro suggested the firmware, which he got from reading the stuff we linked for you.
3749[19:25:33] <dgarstang> petn-randall: This has to be automated from Jenkins, so hand editing not possible
3750[19:25:33] <petn-randall> dgarstang: There's no equivalent of dch for binary packages, if that's what you're asking for.
3751[19:25:50] <dgarstang> petn-randall: The files won't be binaries per se, scripts etc
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3754[19:26:49] <dgarstang> There HAS to be some way to programmatically increment the version value in DEBIAN/control (and why is it DEBIAN and not debian?)
3755[19:26:57] <petn-randall> dgarstang: You should be building from source packages then. The only case where editing the binary packages makes sense is when you have a upstream (e.g. skype) package that you don't have the source package to.
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3757[19:27:23] <dgarstang> petn-randall: This is just for private consumption...
3758[19:27:46] <dgarstang> petn-randall: and there's nothing to build. They're bash scripts
3759[19:27:46] <kejsi564> jhutchins yeah i know !
3760[19:27:53] <petn-randall> dgarstang: It's DEBIAN because you're editing the binary package. DEBIAN/control is completely different from debian/control.
3761[19:27:53] <kejsi564> so video plays fine
3762[19:28:01] <kejsi564> im having problem with sound
3763[19:28:11] <petn-randall> dgarstang: That's besides the point. Source packages don't necessarily need anything to "build".
3764[19:28:16] <kejsi564> what is KVM
3765[19:28:17] <kejsi564> ?
3766[19:28:25] <kejsi564> it says that is disabled by BIOS
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3770[19:29:00] <kejsi564> p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Audio output failed: The audio device "default" could not be used: No such file or directory.
3771[19:29:16] <petn-randall> dgarstang: If you need to edit DEBIAN/control just patch up a script that runs sed on it. But you're probably duplicating a lot of thing that already exist in the Debian packaging tools.
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3773[19:29:33] <dgarstang> petn-randall: I just want to create a simple package of scripts...
3774[19:29:47] * petn-randall shrugs.
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3777[19:30:01] <greycat> there's no such thing as a simple package
3778[19:30:10] <dgarstang> petn-randall: and there are no good guides I can find on this
3779[19:30:19] <petn-randall> dgarstang: Just create a source package out of it, run 'dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b', and it'll drop a binary package out the way you want it.
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3784[19:30:49] <dgarstang> petn-randall: my issue is with the control files, how to increment the version number etc. I guess , i dunno
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3786[19:31:10] <markybob> petn-randall: you forgot -rfakeroot :P
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3788[19:31:24] <nacc> dgarstang: if you use a source package, i'd think you'd be incrementing the version number in the changelog, which can be done with `dch -i`
3789[19:31:30] <dgarstang> petn-randall: Ok, then, how do I generate an initial default changelog file?
3790[19:31:31] <petn-randall> dgarstang: First three google hits: replaced-url
3791[19:31:48] <vostorga> Wulf: I went onsite I checked RAID was already created for array b140i. So debian detecting individual disks at installation time means driver is missing
3792[19:31:50] <petn-randall> dgarstang: Just run 'dch'?
3793[19:31:58] <dgarstang> petn-randall: None are very good I'm afraid. Might be because there's a billion ways to do this
3794[19:32:05] <vostorga> It's always a PITA to install debian on new HP server
3795[19:32:10] <vostorga> Before it used to be very simple
3796[19:32:17] <vostorga> Debian and HP working toguether
3797[19:32:19] <dgarstang> petn-randall: running dch gets me "Cannot find debian/changelog anywhere!"
3798[19:32:22] <petn-randall> dgarstang: It's enough if you do it one way.
3799[19:32:25] <nacc> dgarstang: `dch --create`
3800[19:32:33] <nacc> dgarstang: also `man dch`
3801[19:32:44] <dgarstang> thanks
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3810[19:38:03] <dgarstang> Ugh, "dpkg-buildpackage: warning: build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting"
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3812[19:38:09] <zw> Hi, when online resizing the root partition (not using LVM), is it still mandatory to have it as last partition on disk?
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3815[19:38:23] <greycat> zw: *what*?!
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3817[19:40:10] <zw> greycat: a vm running on vmware, there is no use of lvm and the root partition is not the last one configured on that disk
3818[19:40:21] <nixhed> who maintains the debian box for vagrant?
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3822[19:41:08] <zw> That can be a problem when resizing the disk, no? Assume that I extend the size of the physical disk in vmware, extend the size of the partition and then do a online resize
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3826[19:42:08] <greycat> "Oh, it's a VMware question"
3827[19:42:16] <greycat> (explains why it made no sense whatsoever to me)
3828[19:42:41] <wsky> jhutchins: i've subscribed to the debian-backports mailing list, should i send an email to debian-backports@lists.debian.org now in order to communicate with other users?
3829[19:42:58] <zw> :)
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3833[19:43:34] <zw> greycat: If it is not the last partition it cannot row into the newly created space I assume
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3835[19:43:42] <zw> Maybe I need to ask my question in #vmware
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3837[19:44:00] <jelly> zw: if you're running on vmware, set up a very small disk just for /boot, and a larger disk without any partitions as LVM PV
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3839[19:44:29] <zw> jelly: Yes, I know, but we are talking about an already running vm
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3841[19:44:35] <zw> I know that is the best solution and so on.
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3844[19:44:49] <wsky> jelly: maybe you can tell me, i never used maling lists before
3845[19:45:02] <zw> jelly: just wanna know if my conclusions are correct
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3849[19:45:42] <teraflops> I have no idea of vmware but with qemu raw imagse is just qemu-img resize image +30G ;)
3850[19:45:50] <teraflops> images*
3851[19:45:50] <Jaro> how do I make a suggestion to a wiki page?
3852[19:45:54] <zw> :)
3853[19:46:05] <greycat> Depends on which wiki it is.
3854[19:46:15] <jelly> wsky: I'm going to let someone else answer that, sorry
3855[19:46:49] <jelly> teraflops: can qemu-img work transparently on an online VM?
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3857[19:47:00] <teraflops> jelly: hmm no idea
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3859[19:47:34] <justatech> this is out of topic but please bare with me i need some flash cards related to software engineering
3860[19:47:38] <jelly> if it's offline then it doesn't really matter, if it's "last partition" or "only partition" or "no partition", does it
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3865[19:48:22] <NoImNotNineVolt> well played.
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3867[19:48:47] <jelly> !sing sussudio
3868[19:48:48] * dpkg sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio"
3869[19:49:30] <dgarstang> When building a debian package, how do I get files form the source into the package? DO I just put the files into debian/install or is there a better way?
3870[19:50:06] <greycat> dgarstang: usually it is a sequence of "install" type commands in the Makefile known as debian/rules
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3872[19:50:30] <jelly> zw: they seem about right given the somewhat unusual restrictions. Maybe you can add a second disk online. Maybe you can umount other filesystems and move them to second disk.
3873[19:50:34] <dgarstang> greycat: yeah I guess I don't understand that stuff. Looking for examples
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3876[19:50:59] <greycat> Debian has 40,000 examples.
3877[19:51:19] <jelly> zw: maybe partprobe works for you and the kernel can update its notion of partition sizes, maybe it does not
3878[19:51:41] <markybob> dgarstang: for when you don't understand...there's always checkinstall
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3880[19:51:51] <markybob> !tell dgarstang about checkinstall
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3884[19:53:29] <dgarstang> markybob: Not following context of checkinstall sorry and I'm reading replaced-url
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3886[19:53:50] <vostorga> Wulf: and you are right, according to HP documentation, B140i is soft raid
3887[19:54:05] <nacc> dgarstang: checkinstall basically wraps an existing installer Makefile and makes a .deb for you
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3889[19:54:34] <dgarstang> I see
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3891[19:54:58] <jelly> vostorga: B1xx are always soft raid, but with drivers and metadata format compatible with real hw smartarrays
3892[19:55:14] <teraflops> jelly: what exactly doesn't matter?
3893[19:55:35] <jelly> teraflops: the context was growing a filesystem online, without reboot
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3897[19:56:00] <teraflops> Ah sorry I missed that part
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3901[19:56:25] <dgarstang> nacc: Great, more foo
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3906[19:57:03] <nacc> dgarstang: ?
3907[19:57:32] <dgarstang> nacc: Well rather than have one standard way of doing it, yet another person has written another way to do it which just makes the whole thing even more confusing
3908[19:57:54] <greycat> Damned choices!!
3909[19:58:14] <nacc> dgarstang: no, checkinstall is for when you don't want to do it the normal way, afaict; or when you want a base to go off of
3910[19:58:23] <nacc> i believe it just creates a binary .deb, not a source package
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3913[19:58:38] <dgarstang> Well I can't find any examples of coping files to install with the rules file. All the google results seem to just say to use the debian/install file
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3916[19:58:54] <nacc> dgarstang: yes, that's normal? have you read the manual?
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3919[19:59:10] <justatech> is there any software engineering channel
3920[19:59:19] <nacc> dgarstang: replaced-url
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3922[19:59:25] <nacc> dgarstang: specifically 5.11
3923[19:59:40] <nacc> dgarstang: the issue i think you're running into, though; does your current source have a Makefile?
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3926[20:00:02] <greycat> I don't think he *has* a source code. I think he's just got a list of files.
3927[20:00:17] <dgarstang> nacc: I don't see any examples there. No, no makefiles. There's nothing to build
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3929[20:00:23] <nacc> greycat: ack
3930[20:00:29] <nacc> dgarstang: you don't need to build something to use a makefile
3931[20:00:39] <nacc> e.g., a `make install` target would dtrt, wehther you needed to build or not
3932[20:00:39] <dgarstang> nacc: I need to package these files
3933[20:00:43] <jelly> justatech: /msg alis list *software* -min 10
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3935[20:00:56] <jelly> justatech: or maybe /msg alis list *programming* -min 10
3936[20:01:04] <nacc> dgarstang: debian/rules is a Makefile really, so it's easiest to translate to if you already have amekfile
3937[20:01:22] <nacc> dgarstang: if you don't, then you can just create <pkgname>.install, i htink and it will dtrt
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3939[20:01:37] <dgarstang> nacc: Well these are a bunch of scripts sourced from S3, and used to bootstrap an EC2 instance. There's nothing to build except copying the files to the target
3940[20:02:08] * greycat wonders if it'd be easier just to create data.tar.gz containing those scripts, and then ar it into a .deb file.
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3942[20:02:24] <greycat> (probably not, but it's amusing)
3943[20:02:24] <dgarstang> greycat: with fpm? I guess
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3945[20:02:52] <nacc> dgarstang: right, so you'd have a install: line in your makefile (and nothing else, or a phony or whatever) nominally
3946[20:02:54] <greycat> Dunno what fpm is. I was assuming "with tar".
3947[20:03:12] <nacc> dgarstang: similar for `debian/rules` but in this case you'd just use the .install file to say where to copy the files to
3948[20:03:15] <nacc> from the source pkg
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3951[20:04:24] <wewlad> Is 'snap' package system good?
3952[20:04:27] <dgarstang> nacc: fpm...
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3954[20:04:45] <dgarstang> nacc: replaced-url
3955[20:04:47] <nacc> dgarstang: fpm?
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3957[20:05:00] <markybob> wewlad: eh. it's a mixed bag. anyway it's in sid.
3958[20:05:04] <nacc> i don't care about not .deb :)
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3961[20:05:14] <dgarstang> fpm is awesome. It's been around for a long time
3962[20:05:30] <nacc> dgarstang: i think this line is bad (imo): "I have no interest in Debian policy "
3963[20:05:32] <greycat> !fpm
3964[20:05:34] <dgarstang> fpm, just like checkinstall, makes debian package
3965[20:05:45] <nacc> dgarstang: the debian policy makes for better packages (ime)
3966[20:05:58] <dgarstang> nacc: not having a standard way of doing it is bad
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3971[20:06:14] <dgarstang> I don't like redhat, but at least rpm is relativelty simople
3972[20:06:18] <jelly> wewlad: what is 'snap' package system?
3973[20:06:20] <wewlad> markybob: what are the pros and cons? I guess that it's a x-platform system is a strong point.
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3975[20:06:38] <nacc> dgarstang: i think the issue is you're not packaging your scripts as-is. How does someone install your scripts currently? cp from a git repository to /usr/local/bin ?
3976[20:06:40] <wewlad> jelly: replaced-url
3977[20:06:48] <markybob> wewlad: it has higher security. it takes up a bunch more space.
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3979[20:07:07] <dgarstang> nacc: This is new. No one is using yet
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3981[20:07:35] <jhutchins> wsky: WHat I had suggested was searching the backlog of messages at the archive to see if there was anything about cinnamon.
3982[20:07:36] <dgarstang> nacc: The script/package will be installed with apt-get install slice-boot from our artifactory server on instance boot.
3983[20:07:47] <nacc> dgarstang: if fpm does what you want, why not use it? doesn't bother me any since you're not trying to get it into debian
3984[20:07:57] <jhutchins> wsky: Have you instealled cinnamon from non-backport sources?
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3987[20:08:23] <dgarstang> nacc: Well, I was kinda trying to do it the 'right' way
3988[20:08:30] <nacc> dgarstang: that all seems irrelevant?
3989[20:08:32] <teraflops> Why not Git them. Then git clone. And make install?
3990[20:08:37] <nacc> right --^
3991[20:08:39] <jelly> wewlad: so they have a channel #snappy, ask there maybe?
3992[20:08:51] <wewlad> markybob: I guess they should write some self-purification system so that the package will be installable on all platforms and would self-rectify after the install removing the stuff you don't need for your OS
3993[20:08:55] <greycat> Because he hasn't written a Makefile. He has no installation mechanism at all yet.
3994[20:08:58] <nacc> dgarstang: and again, if you just already had a makefile that had an install: target, then this would be an easy transition
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3996[20:09:05] <dgarstang> teraflops: sorry?
3997[20:09:10] <wewlad> jelly: I'm curious what you guys here think of it
3998[20:09:10] <nacc> so since there's no way to install currently, you're trying to solve two problems at once, dgarstang
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4001[20:09:28] <dgarstang> nacc: No, I'm trying to solve one problem. Make a denian package containing scripts
4002[20:09:30] <nacc> dgarstang: once you have a source-based (no packages) install method, it should be relatively trivial to package the same
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4004[20:09:35] <teraflops> You want install scripts? Git them
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4006[20:09:54] <dgarstang> teraflops: Then we would have to give every instance access to our git repository. That's bad operational practive
4007[20:09:59] <wewlad> Git gud
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4009[20:10:05] <jelly> wewlad: this is primarily a tech support chanel. If people from here are interested, they will also join and be present in the relevant channel
4010[20:10:08] <teraflops> dgarstang: use gitlab
4011[20:10:19] <nacc> dgarstang: git webservices can roll out tarballs
4012[20:10:20] <teraflops> Private repos
4013[20:10:21] <dgarstang> teraflops: We do
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4016[20:10:42] <teraflops> Make the repo private
4017[20:10:49] <wewlad> :/
4018[20:11:03] <dgarstang> Good grief. Anyway, thanks.
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4020[20:11:38] <nacc> dgarstang: ok, so you want to package scripts
4021[20:11:44] <nacc> dgarstang: so you start with a bare debian/ directory
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4023[20:11:50] <nacc> dgarstang: add a changelog
4024[20:11:55] <dgarstang> nacc: I have all that
4025[20:11:56] <nacc> dgarstang: add a control file
4026[20:12:01] <dgarstang> nacc: it builds
4027[20:12:05] <nacc> dgarstang: ok?
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4030[20:12:24] <dgarstang> nacc: I need to know the correct way to copy files to the target so that my package actually contains some files
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4033[20:13:02] <nacc> dgarstang: as mentioned already, eitehr have an override_dh_install target in your rules, or a makefile that does have an install target, or use a .install file?
4034[20:13:10] <greycat> The easiest and most traditional way would be to write a Makefile, bundled with the scripts, in your private git repository, which has an install target.
4035[20:13:21] * nacc agrees with greycat
4036[20:13:31] <dgarstang> greycat: How does debian interface/call that?
4037[20:13:43] <nacc> dgarstang: rules is really just a wrapper around the existing 'build system' for a source, if there is one
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4041[20:14:05] <nacc> dgarstang: have you read `man dh` ?
4042[20:14:06] <dgarstang> nacc: what specifically, goes into rules that 'calls' my Makefile?
4043[20:14:19] <nacc> dgarstang: particularly the 'simple rules file' example
4044[20:14:20] <dgarstang> nacc: yes and it would take me a thousand years to read it all
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4046[20:15:00] <nacc> dgarstang: that example shows you how to just pass everything down to make
4047[20:15:04] <nacc> dgarstang: that's hyperbole.
4048[20:15:10] <nacc> dgarstang: it's only 259 lines :)
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4050[20:15:48] * nacc notes that if you have just written a Makefile about 30 minutes ago, and ran `checkinstall`, you'd be done by now :)
4051[20:16:05] <dgarstang> nacc: well my rules file already has that
4052[20:16:18] <dgarstang> if I had used fpm I would have been done by yesterday
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4054[20:17:11] <dgarstang> Does checkinstall have a way to increment a version number?
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4057[20:17:27] <wsky> jhutchins: i've searched the messages, there is only a wheezy cinnamon request.
4058[20:17:28] <jmd`> Can anyone think of a way to have a script execute when the machine starts?
4059[20:17:29] <jelly> dgarstang: make a debian/install file, put source paths (relative to unpacked source dir) and destination dirs (relative to installed package contents) one file per line
4060[20:17:34] <jmd`> Please don't suggest rc.local. It is broken in jessie.
4061[20:17:44] <wsky> jhutchins: and no, i haven't installed cinnamon from the standard repo
4062[20:17:45] <greycat> jmd`: in what way?
4063[20:18:02] <jelly> dgarstang: man dh_install is a bit sparse with examples
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4066[20:18:06] <teraflops> jmd`: it works here, anyway create a systemd unit file
4067[20:18:20] <nacc> dgarstang: not sure on the version number, proabably not, as it just churns out a binary package
4068[20:18:26] <nacc> dgarstang: ok, your rules file has that simple example
4069[20:18:30] <nacc> dgarstang: do you have a Makefile?
4070[20:18:33] <jmd`> greycat: I want to have an arbitrary shell script file run when (or shortly after) the machine boots.
4071[20:18:41] <nacc> dgarstang: did you provide a <pkgname>.install file?
4072[20:18:44] <dgarstang> nacc: Well that won't work then. Jenkins needs to set the version number of the package from $BUILD_NUMBER
4073[20:18:44] <greycat> jmd`: in what way do you believe it is "broken in jessie"?
4074[20:18:47] <jelly> jmd`: do you have a bug number for that "rc.local is broken"?
4075[20:18:52] <teraflops> heh
4076[20:18:58] <jelly> wfm (albeit with sysvinit)
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4078[20:19:15] <greycat> wfm with systemd
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4080[20:19:22] <jelly> WFALL
4081[20:19:38] <dgarstang> I also noticed that checkinstall prompts. Needs to be CLI
4082[20:19:39] <petn-randall> jmd`: Use '@reboot' in a crontab.
4083[20:19:47] <jelly> petn-randall: eww!
4084[20:19:55] <jmd`> er - well, the script doesn't run, and journalctl -xn contains (rather unhelpful) errors.
4085[20:20:14] <greycat> I bet one of the errors says why it didn't run.
4086[20:20:30] * petn-randall bets 10 ponies that jmd`'s script fails due to some env var not set.
4087[20:20:36] <jelly> jmd`: first: is your /etc/rc.local executable. second: can you pastebin the whole thing, and them errors?
4088[20:20:49] <jelly> !ask
4089[20:20:49] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
4090[20:21:03] <greycat> petn-randall: I'm betting on "has a carriage return on the shebang line"
4091[20:21:05] <nacc> dgarstang: checkinstall is a CLI, do you mean non-interactive?
4092[20:21:28] <jmd`> jelly: The answer to the first question is yes.
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4098[20:22:43] <jelly> eh, it's probably just a silly reverse psych attempt at a support request
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4100[20:22:53] <vostorga> jelly: Do you know how to make work b1xx on debian?
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4103[20:23:17] <ilmaisin> hi
4104[20:23:45] <jhutchins> wsky: I think a non-backport install, then an upgrade, would probably work, and use aptitude for better resolution.
4105[20:23:46] <ilmaisin> why does debian ship webkit even if it can't provide good security support for it?
4106[20:23:48] <Iridos> hm, what would the most(?) thorough smart self-test to run that takes maybe 10ish hours
4107[20:24:01] <jelly> vostorga: ummm... no, I've only dealt with hw raid smartarrays lately. Can you put it in AHCI mode and just set up md raid?
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4109[20:24:15] <jmd`> jelly: regarding pastebinning, I always find them a pain, but will try ...
4110[20:24:15] <NoImNotNineVolt> ilmaisin: your very question is faulty.
4111[20:24:20] <jhutchins> Iridos: What are you testing?
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4115[20:24:40] <jelly> jmd`: I find answering questions without actual info provided a pain, too
4116[20:24:41] <Iridos> a disk that is clearly gone, but intriguingly still passes the smart health test
4117[20:24:44] <wsky> jhutchins: i don't thin this will work since the backported cinnamon packages depend on package versions that simply ARE NOT THERE
4118[20:24:49] <ilmaisin> NoImNotNineVolt: it's not a faulty question at all
4119[20:24:53] <Iridos> still the one from last time
4120[20:25:00] <Iridos> I admit to just playing around with it
4121[20:25:29] <NoImNotNineVolt> ilmaisin: it presupposes that debian cannot provide good security support, as though 'good security support' were a well-defined, objective thing.
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4125[20:26:28] <jmd`> jelly: The question was quite simple. Can you suggest a way to have an arbitrary shell script run on boot? What info do you want.
4126[20:26:33] <jelly> ilmaisin: because it's useful for apps that render local html with it, or when it's used with internal web sites.
4127[20:26:39] <ilmaisin> NoImNotNineVolt: i am referring to this: replaced-url
4128[20:26:41] <NoImNotNineVolt> ilmaisin: a better way of phrasing your question would have been "why does debian ship webkit even if it can't provide security support for it that meets my personal subjective standards?"
4129[20:26:47] <jmd`> "No." is an acceptable answer.
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4131[20:27:08] <Iridos> hm. ok. Testing has begun. Please wait 486 minutes for test to complete.
4132[20:27:12] <greycat> jmd`: /etc/rc.local
4133[20:27:27] <ilmaisin> NoImNotNineVolt: there is nothing subjective about it, security issues have to be fixed
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4135[20:27:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> ilmaisin: if they have to be fixed, then they are fixed. i'm not sure what the problem is.
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4137[20:28:04] <Iridos> jmd`, so then "Yes" is also a valid anser
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4140[20:28:38] <Iridos> 486 minutes ~8h, perfect :P
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4142[20:28:57] <jmd`> greycat: I did mention, that rc.local is non-functional
4143[20:28:59] * jhutchins notes that the method for "arbitrary shell script at boot" has changed with systemd.
4144[20:29:23] <ilmaisin> NoImNotNineVolt: that's even not my personal opinion, it's debian's official statement: replaced-url
4145[20:29:29] <greycat> jmd`: And two of us DID mention that it works for us. So you're just wrong.
4146[20:29:41] * jmd` ignores greycat
4147[20:29:42] <ilmaisin> "Debian 8 includes several browser engines which are affected by a steady stream of security vulnerabilities. The high rate of vulnerabilities and partial lack of upstream support in the form of long term branches make it very difficult to support these browsers with backported security fixes. Additionally, library interdependencies make it impossible to update to newer upstream releases. Therefore,
4148[20:29:48] <ilmaisin> browsers built upon the webkit, qtwebkit and khtml engines are included in Jessie, but not covered by security support. These browsers should not be used against untrusted websites."
4149[20:29:51] <greycat> Ignoring me doesn't make me any less corredt.
4150[20:30:00] <teraflops> ^
4151[20:30:10] <greycat> Too bad I can't type correctly.
4152[20:30:14] <teraflops> 20:18:06 teraflops ⎸ jmd`: it works here, anyway create a systemd unit file
4153[20:30:31] <jmd`> teraflops: how do I do that?
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4155[20:30:34] <NoImNotNineVolt> ilmaisin: in that case, you've answered your own question. well done.
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4159[20:30:57] <greycat> teraflops: Ah, missed that one. Three of us.
4160[20:31:03] <teraflops> jmd`: man systemd.unit
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4162[20:31:27] <NoImNotNineVolt> it seems evident from the debian documentation that webkit is provided for use with trusted websites.
4163[20:31:48] <jhutchins> NoImNotNineVolt: documentation!?
4164[20:31:55] <jmd`> jelly: replaced-url
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4166[20:32:01] <petn-randall> jhutchins: Who reads that stuff? BORING!
4167[20:32:09] <jhutchins> Why when we have irc?
4168[20:32:16] <simonlnu> TL;DR
4169[20:32:19] <NoImNotNineVolt> i mean, i surely don't. ilmaisin pasted the relevant passage here.
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4174[20:32:40] <greycat> jmd`: "exec format error" is incredibly clear to experienced script writers
4175[20:32:50] <greycat> jmd`: means your shebang line is missing or malformed
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4177[20:33:01] <ilmaisin> so, for example, midori is provided strictly for browsing content on local network?
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4179[20:33:07] <greycat> !shebang
4180[20:33:08] <dpkg> well, shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". replaced-url
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4182[20:33:24] <dgarstang> Well, I can't use checkinstall. It requires root access. Sigh
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4185[20:33:33] <simonlnu> incredibly useful
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4187[20:34:02] <nacc> dgarstang: i am trying to help, fwiw; so you're at the point where you have a source package (at least one version). But it's not installing any files?
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4189[20:34:17] <dgarstang> nacc: Checkinstall fails because it needs root access
4190[20:34:21] <jhutchins> dgarstang: There used to be good guides for installing programs locally as a user, but we've migrated away from the big multiuser unix mainframes where that was more common.
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4192[20:34:41] <NoImNotNineVolt> i thought it was a ricky martin song.
4193[20:34:53] <dgarstang> jhutchins: say that again?
4194[20:34:56] <greycat> jhutchins: Node is bringing it back with a vengeance. :-/
4195[20:35:00] <nacc> dgarstang: ack, so let's ignore checkinstall for now
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4197[20:35:20] <dgarstang> nacc: I'll just use debian/install I guess
4198[20:35:44] <nacc> dgarstang: preferred format is debian/<pgkname>.install, iirc
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4200[20:35:58] <jhutchins> dgarstang: It used to be that you could build and install software for your own use as a regular non-root user (as long as it didn't require root access to something). It's probably still possible, but things like "make install" aren't going to work in that case.
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4202[20:36:29] <jhutchins> dgarstang: Most software is packaged with the expectation that it will be installed by root for system-wide use.
4203[20:36:31] <greycat> jhutchins: It certainly works with any autoconf/automake project. You just set the install prefix to somewhere you can write.
4204[20:36:31] <nacc> jhutchins: it should work if you use prefix' to configure or whatever; depends on the pacakge/source
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4206[20:36:55] <jhutchins> greycat: True, most packages are set up to deal with that.
4207[20:36:56] <nacc> jhutchins: but, afaict, that's irrelevant to dgarstang's use-case
4208[20:36:58] <dgarstang> jhutchins: make install should work fine. Since so much software is built by build systems like jenkins, then non root is critical
4209[20:37:06] <jmd`> teraflops: It seems like a very complicated way to get a one line script to run. Is there a simpler option?
4210[20:37:28] <jelly> dgarstang: fakeroot works with normal debian source building process.
4211[20:37:29] <greycat> jmd`: fix your /etc/rc.local file's shebang line.
4212[20:37:41] <jhutchins> dgarstang: I think our jenkins user had sudo privileges.
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4214[20:37:49] <teraflops> jmd`: a systemd unit for a script is not complicated at all compared to a init.d script
4215[20:37:50] <dgarstang> jhutchins: eeek
4216[20:38:08] <jhutchins> dgarstang: Mostly for changing ownership/permissions.
4217[20:38:10] <jelly> jmd`: so you have a systemd[976]: Failed at step EXEC spawning /etc/rc.local: Exec format error
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4220[20:38:26] <wsky> jhutchins: using aptitude instead of apt seems to work
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4222[20:38:31] <greycat> jelly: if he literally /ignored me, you should just copy/paste everything I told him
4223[20:38:35] <wsky> jhutchins: thanks for the reply @ ml too
4224[20:38:38] <jelly> jmd`: what does "file /etc/rc.local" say, is it a script or not?
4225[20:38:47] <user20> Is there any way to force Xfce windows to cross the top border?
4226[20:38:54] <jhutchins> wsky: I still think it's worth trying if you want something to do today.
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4228[20:39:10] <teraflops> jmd`: oh yes, /etc/rc.local works…
4229[20:39:15] <jelly> greycat: yeah, I'd rather make him work for it a bit
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4233[20:39:58] <jhutchins> teraflops: CLearly it is working, it's correctly returning an intelligible and specific error.
4234[20:39:59] <greycat> Amazing how I gave him the answer less than a minute after he pastebinned his "useless" error messages.
4235[20:40:04] <wsky> jhutchins: what's worth trying?
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4237[20:40:13] <teraflops> jhutchins: yeah ;)
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4239[20:40:24] <jhutchins> wsky: install stable, upgrade, use aptitude.
4240[20:40:45] <jmd`> jelly: Currently, it says "exit 0", and yes it is owned by root and has mode 755
4241[20:40:46] <jelly> greycat: a bad interpreter results in ENOFILE, not this thing... if it really ends up being a \r\n I owe you a beer
4242[20:40:53] <jhutchins> I swear, people post error messages here that contain simple, precise instructions on what to do to fix things.
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4245[20:41:23] <jelly> jmd`: it needs to have a valid #! first line, eg #!/bin/sh
4246[20:41:26] <greycat> jelly: a totally missing shebang line will also cause this, *IF* the script is not being executed by a shell (e.g. if it's being executed by systemd or a C program)
4247[20:41:32] <simonlnu> jhutchins: all the time, and they seem to miss them.
4248[20:41:42] <jmd`> jelly: ok I will try that.
4249[20:41:50] <greycat> jelly: if a shell tries to execute something and gets "exec format error", it falls back to spawning a copy of itself to interpret the script directly
4250[20:41:55] <teraflops> jmd`: did you paste the script you're trying to run?
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4252[20:42:15] <greycat> teraflops: we don't need to see that, just the rc.local file
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4254[20:42:41] <teraflops> oh
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4257[20:44:10] <greycat> teraflops: 6. Jun 16 20:22:30 knut systemd[976]: Failed at step EXEC spawning /etc/rc.local: Exec format error
4258[20:44:16] * jmd` reboots to see if the shebang line makes a difference.
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4260[20:44:24] <teraflops> greycat: ah I see
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4264[20:44:57] <jelly> oh, he did manage to pastebin just half the requested info
4265[20:44:59] <jhutchins> greycat: Is that similar to what you get if you try to run an incompatible arch program?
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4272[20:45:38] <greycat> In theory, yes... in practice, when we know that rc.local is supposed to be a script, it means "missing or malformed shebang". It's crystal clear. Absolutely easy to fix.
4273[20:45:45] <dgarstang> Can I put wildcards into debian/install?
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4276[20:45:57] <dgarstang> or better, can I just recurse everything in debian/install?
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4288[20:49:30] <jhutchins> dgarstang: BTW I'm pretty sure chkinstall can take it's answers from the CLI or an answer file, but it's been ages (and many releases) since I used it.
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4294[20:51:26] <jelly> dgarstang: you could be evil and generate debian/install from debian/rules :>
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4298[20:51:54] <jmd`> jelly: The shebang seemed to be the problem. Thanks for your help.
4299[20:51:57] <dgarstang> jhutchinsL: yes, but it requires root
4300[20:52:13] <jelly> jmd`: if you'd shown the file and the errors you'd have gotten the answer right away
4301[20:52:15] <greycat> jmd`: apology accepted.
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4303[20:52:36] <jmd`> jelly: I did show you the file.
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4308[20:53:41] <jmd`> How do I put greycat permanantly in my ignore list, so I don't have to do it manually each time I connect?
4309[20:53:44] <jelly> jmd`: we had to squeeze everything out of you.
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4314[20:54:37] <greycat> I wasn't even rude to him.
4315[20:54:44] <greycat> I told him exactly what was wrong.'
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4317[20:54:46] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
4318[20:54:50] <simonlnu> some people's children...
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4321[20:55:19] <nacc> dgarstang: ?
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4323[20:55:39] <nacc> dgarstang: you can do, in debian/install files '* /usr/local/bin/' iirc
4324[20:55:41] <jmd`> greycat: Rudeness doesn't necessarily involve rude words. You were not trying to help. You were trying to be deliberately annoying.
4325[20:55:56] <die7> Hi , I'm on search for ip webcam sw under debian (https + auth.) motion is not usable
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4328[20:56:21] <greycat> 14:18 greycat> jmd`: in what way do you believe it is "broken in jessie"?
4329[20:56:23] <greycat> 14:19 greycat> wfm with systemd
4330[20:56:24] <greycat> 14:20 greycat> I bet one of the errors says why it didn't run.
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4332[20:56:32] <greycat> 14:21 greycat> petn-randall: I'm betting on "has a carriage return on the shebang line"
4333[20:56:41] <jelly> that bet was deliberately correct!
4334[20:57:09] <greycat> I was slightly off on my first guess. It was a MISSING shebang instead of a malformed one.
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4337[20:57:18] <greycat> But close, and the pastebin, when it finally came, confirmed it.
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4344[20:58:39] <jmd`> greycat: Yeah well, I'm sorry that I didn't kiss your arse soon engough for your liking. I think it is sad that people expect that on irc before they answer questions that people ask.
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4348[20:59:18] <greycat> I don't understand you at all. You made a claim that was false. THREE people told you it was false. Then we told you what was most likely wrong, and told you how to get more info.
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4350[20:59:48] <jmd`> Sorry. I'm not going to argue with you.
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4352[21:00:06] <greycat> After your pastebin with the journalctl errors, I gave you the exact answer in less than a minute with no insulting or whatever you think I did.
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4354[21:00:33] <die7> any?
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4357[21:00:48] <teraflops> jmd`: it's just the way irc works. believe me, I was like you, don't take it personally
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4367[21:07:36] <SkiBin> please give me one root
4368[21:07:43] <SkiBin> i need it like water :)
4369[21:08:20] * greycat hands SkiBin a carrot
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4373[21:08:53] <simonlnu> not a tumour either :P
4374[21:09:07] <SkiBin> :))
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4378[21:11:06] <simonlnu> siily :)
4379[21:11:12] <simonlnu> silly even
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4394[21:15:40] <wsky> jhutchins: i've installed the stable version, i'm using aptitude and it still fails
4395[21:15:53] <wsky> jhutchins: as i said, the packages are just simply not there
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4400[21:17:05] <somiaj> wsky: stable version of what? Can you share the output of apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net
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4402[21:17:20] <wsky> somiaj: cinnamon
4403[21:17:32] <wsky> somiaj: i'm trying to install the backported release
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4405[21:17:45] <wsky> somiaj: replaced-url
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4407[21:18:25] <module000> to whoever the debian maintainer of libvirt-bin is..*thank you* for not deciding libvirt-bin should run entirely as root. the debian hosts were the only ones not rooted by a malicious user in the libvirtd group.
4408[21:18:27] <somiaj> ,v cinnamon-desktop-enviornment
4409[21:18:28] <judd> No package named 'cinnamon-desktop-enviornment' was found in amd64.
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4411[21:18:38] <somiaj> ,v cinnamon-desktop-envioronment
4412[21:18:39] <judd> No package named 'cinnamon-desktop-envioronment' was found in amd64.
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4414[21:18:42] <somiaj> arg
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4417[21:19:04] <phogg> seems like you might need aspell, too
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4420[21:19:16] <somiaj> wsky: have you installed the version from 'jessie' first, or going straight to the version in jessie-backports
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4422[21:19:32] <SpikeSpiegel> question. there are CA authority servers that check validity of ssl certs
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4424[21:19:44] <SpikeSpiegel> and there are DNS resolution servers that resolve dnses
4425[21:19:49] <SpikeSpiegel> are these servers the same?
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4427[21:20:20] <phogg> SpikeSpiegel: No, or not exactly, or it depends on how you mean it.
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4429[21:20:53] <SpikeSpiegel> phogg, i mean it in the context of ip tables rules. for dns resolution i need to enable sending out by tcp port 53 and recieving by udp port 53
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4433[21:21:23] <SpikeSpiegel> but im not sure if thats enough. im not ready to open vbox instance about it tho
4434[21:21:31] <cuddylier> What is the best way to bring the network back up after replacing a network card with Debian?
4435[21:21:44] <phogg> SpikeSpiegel: that's not enough for doing CRL checking, no
4436[21:21:44] <module000> cuddylier: hot replacing it, or powered off etc?
4437[21:21:50] <cuddylier> Powered off
4438[21:21:58] <somiaj> cuddylier: depends on how you configure your network in the first place too.
4439[21:22:12] <SpikeSpiegel> phogg, for https i suppose i do open port 443 output and input from source port 443 ?
4440[21:22:13] <cuddylier> I got the system booted back up but it goes into emergency boot because I think of the interface issue.
4441[21:22:15] <module000> cuddylier: are you having issues where you hold interface was named ethX and your new is named ethY or something?
4442[21:22:21] <cuddylier> Yeah
4443[21:22:27] <cuddylier> New one is called eth2 I think
4444[21:22:29] <somiaj> cuddylier: though debian uses persistance interface names, it could be the new network card has a new name, 'eth1' instead of 'eth0'
4445[21:22:30] <cuddylier> Original one was eth0
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4447[21:22:47] <module000> cuddylier: change your /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net(sp?) rules if you would like your new card to be 'eth0'
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4449[21:23:09] <greycat> cuddylier: you could edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules by hand to remove the old definitions
4450[21:23:26] <cuddylier> Is it possible for that file to regenerate somehow?
4451[21:23:27] <module000> cuddylier: udev stores the MAC of your card in the udev rules, so that a card with that MAC gets the same name each time. you can edit the rule so that the new card receives the old name
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4453[21:23:37] <module000> cuddylier: delete it and it will regenerate on boot(or udev restart)
4454[21:23:46] <cuddylier> I'll try that to see
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4456[21:23:58] <cuddylier> It worked :O
4457[21:24:13] <phogg> SpikeSpiegel: it depends. You shouldn't need both directions unless you're also running an https daemon
4458[21:24:13] <wsky> somiaj: did the latter first, then i've installed the default version which works and then i've tried to upgrade it which fails as well
4459[21:24:25] <wsky> somiaj: as i said, the needed dependencies are not on the server
4460[21:24:27] <SpikeSpiegel> phogg, i am :)
4461[21:24:28] <phogg> SpikeSpiegel: for cert validity can I assume you are using OCSP?
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4464[21:24:57] <SpikeSpiegel> ok ph
4465[21:24:59] <SpikeSpiegel> phogg,
4466[21:25:28] <SpikeSpiegel> there was a great site with this example
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4470[21:26:33] <somiaj> wsky: unsure the best place to report bugreports (though usually dependency issues aren't considered bug reports) for jessie-backports. It could be you need to wait for a mirror to finish syncing, or the matainer to upload the missing dependencies to jessie-backports.
4471[21:27:03] <somiaj> ,v libmuffin0
4472[21:27:03] <wsky> somiaj: i've reportad that on the backports ml already
4473[21:27:04] <judd> Package: libmuffin0 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.6-4; sid: 3.0.4-1; stretch: 3.0.4-1
4474[21:27:20] <wsky> somiaj: i might directly mail the maintainer too
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4477[21:28:04] <somiaj> wsky: from the output I see, looks like libmuffin0 and various libs have a dependency of >= 2.6 vs 2.2.6 [so it may be a bug in the build or something else], you'll just have to wait.
4478[21:28:10] <wsky> somiaj: aptitude seems to allow ommiting a dep tho
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4486[21:33:17] <wsky> somiaj: but this seems to not allow installing of the full de
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4490[21:34:12] <somiaj> wsky: and? There is a dependency issue which will stop it form installing the packages with the issue
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4498[21:38:43] <kfogel> Unetbootin used to be packaged in Debian ('testing' distro, which I'm running), but now it seems not to be packaged for testing -- only for oldstable and unstable. Anyone know the story? Do I have to build it from source now on 'testing'? (please say my nick "kfogel" if respond; otherwise I might not see the response)
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4501[21:40:01] <somiaj> kfogel: unetbootin is a tool that would break debian .iso and isn't a good tool to directly write an iso to a thumbdrive.
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4503[21:40:05] <greycat> What is the file /lib/systemd/system/ssh@.service used for?
4504[21:40:07] <wsky> somiaj: that's what i'm saying since i came here
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4507[21:40:49] <somiaj> kfogel: I think it was removed due to the fact no one wants to matain a peice of software that won't work with debian .iso, you can look at the debian tracker page to find more details
4508[21:41:10] <kfogel> somiaj: thank you -- I didn't realize all that. Hmm, maybe my real question should have been "What's the recommended way to create bootable USB sticks (from which I can install Debian GNU/Linux on new systems) given that I have an up-to-date 'testing' distro box available right now?
4509[21:41:12] <wsky> somiaj: but jhutchins insisted that i should use aptitude and upgrade from default cinnamon first
4510[21:41:24] <kfogel> somiaj: (that makes sense, thanks; I'll check the tracker)
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4515[21:42:13] <kfogel> somiaj: ack, I forgot the closing quote: " (programmer mind won't let me not add it)
4516[21:42:15] <somiaj> kfogel: use cp, 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdX' where /dev/sdX is the device of the usb stick (make sure you get the right device, this will destory all data on that device)
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4521[21:42:34] <somiaj> wsky: yea I see that, there really isn't much more we can do here, my advise is wait.
4522[21:42:42] <kfogel> somiaj: that's really it? Sounds great. I've done that in the past, but maybe I got the wrong .iso or something.
4523[21:42:48] <wsky> somiaj: sure
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4525[21:43:50] <somiaj> kfogel: for a debian.iso, yup that is it.
4526[21:44:02] <vostorga> jelly: that would be a overkill, having a raid card and doing software raid. I think I'll give up and install another supported distro. Too risky
4527[21:44:13] <somiaj> kfogel: and copy it onto the device (not the partition, /dev/sdX1 would fail)
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4529[21:44:26] <somiaj> kfogel: the image contains a complete partition table and file system and just needs to be put on the device
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4531[21:44:38] <kfogel> somiaj: Wow, great. So for example replaced-url
4532[21:44:57] <somiaj> kfogel: correct, but I would not use the testing iso if your goal is to install testing
4533[21:45:00] <somiaj> !testing installer
4534[21:45:00] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
4535[21:45:08] <kfogel> somiaj: OH, right
4536[21:45:36] <kfogel> somiaj: right right, gotcha. So I should install 'stable', then tweak /etc/apt/sources.list, and then upgrade to testing *from* stable post-install.
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4538[21:46:08] <teraflops> greycat: for the socket unit
4539[21:46:39] <kfogel> somiaj: (so for example replaced-url
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4541[21:47:03] <greycat> teraflops: It says "per-connection daemon" and it says "After=auditd.service" which is not running and does not exist. Are you thinking of ssh.socket? That's not what I asked about, though it looks like ssh.socket is for putting a thumb in the dyke to stop it from running.
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4543[21:47:21] <somiaj> kfogel: any debian .iso should be built to be directly copied to the usbdrive
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4547[21:48:01] <teraflops> greycat: yeah it's for the socket unit
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4550[21:48:19] <greycat> ssh@.service is for the socket unit? Then what is ssh.socket for?
4551[21:48:34] <somiaj> greycat: when I ssh to my system I get a forked process sshd: somiaj@pts/4, it might be that unit file that is causing a seperate instance of sshd to run per login.
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4554[21:48:52] <teraflops> greycat: socket units start services when a connection attempt is detected on the socket
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4556[21:48:53] <somiaj> greycat: it probabaly deals with the user@pts part
4557[21:48:57] <teraflops> aka on demmand
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4561[21:49:37] <kfogel> somiaj: I have a couple of about-to-be-ex-Windows machines sitting right here; will try it now :-).
4562[21:49:41] <somiaj> kfogel: correct, and the less packages you install in stable (don't install a desktop, webserver etc) the easier the upgrade will be. Then after the upgrade isntall the rest of the software you want.
4563[21:49:45] <teraflops> greycat: both needed line timers and systemd units
4564[21:49:49] <teraflops> like*
4565[21:50:06] <kfogel> somiaj: Yes -- I have that list: replaced-url
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4567[21:50:41] <somiaj> greycat: similar to /lib/systemd/system/getty@.service which spawns getty on tty2, tty3, tty4, etc on demand.
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4570[21:53:42] <teraflops> with @ you can also pass params to units, e.g systemctl --user start compton@xmonad.service
4571[21:53:58] <somiaj> greycat: the @ is used to actually be multiple services, so there is getty@tty1.service, getty@tty2.service, etc, seems sshd is similar, it spanws a unique service/daemon for each pty that is assoicated with each ssh connenction
4572[21:54:15] <somiaj> or as teraflops said, you can include additional parameters in the service
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4578[21:55:06] <greycat> I'm not getting this at all. :(
4579[21:55:14] <blawiz> why would this not open from a script, started by a hotkey? 'urxvt -e bash -lc "vim $@"'
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4581[21:55:58] <greycat> blawiz: well for starters, the $@ inside double quotes is going to be expanded to multiple words, which is gonna break if there are multiple arguments given to the wrapper script.
4582[21:55:59] <teraflops> greycat: ~/.config/systemd/user/compton@.service → replaced-url
4583[21:56:00] <blawiz> wait a sec
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4586[21:57:38] <blawiz> i start the script with a file-opener, like this: '$txt "$string"' where $string is the file and $txt is the command
4587[21:57:45] <greycat> imadev:~$ set -- "arg 1" "arg 2"; args bash -lc "vim $@"
4588[21:57:46] <greycat> 4 args: <bash> <-lc> <vim arg 1> <arg 2>
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4591[21:59:02] <greycat> Why not simply do urxvt -e vim "$@"
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4597[21:59:32] <blawiz> greycat: not sure, its a while since i made that script :]
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4599[21:59:45] <blawiz> ill try it
4600[21:59:47] <somiaj> greycat: the one I understand is the getty@.service, unlike sysvinit, systemd launches getty on tty's as they are requested. The service is kinda of a hook/trigger, that when one hits ctrl-alt-f2, the service getty@tty2.service is run, launching a getty on tty2 allowing the user to login. The getty@.service file does all of this, allowing for multiple getty instances to be run on each tty on demand. Seems the sshd@.service is doing the same thing, ...
4601[21:59:53] <greycat> Well, it's broken if you pass multiple arguments, or a single argument with whitespace in it.
4602[21:59:53] <somiaj> ... it is a single unit file that runs a multiple service (sshd: somiaj@pts/4 for example) on demand, which is when a newlogin from ssh comes. I am sure I'm messing up the technical aspects, but that is my vague understanding of these services with @ in them.
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4605[22:00:29] <greycat> somiaj: I'm going to have to experiment to see what breaks.
4606[22:00:30] <blawiz> greycat: i dont use filenames with whitespaces
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4608[22:00:39] <greycat> blawiz: that's why you didn't notice the bug
4609[22:00:39] <somiaj> greycat: and so one could say tell systemctl start getty@tty3.service and that is passed to the getty@.service with the parameter tty3
4610[22:00:40] <blawiz> and only one file
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4612[22:01:02] <teraflops> blawiz: why not? it isn't 1998 anymore :p
4613[22:01:14] <blawiz> im old, leave me alone!
4614[22:01:18] <teraflops> heh
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4618[22:01:39] <greycat> somiaj: ... because when I ssh in, it does *not* create an "ssh@pts/whatever" service, or at least not visibly within "systemctl" as nonroot
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4621[22:01:58] <greycat> So I'm mostly hoping the ssh@.service file is *not actually needed*
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4625[22:03:25] <somiaj> greycat: it does for me, it is under my user slice though, user.slice -> user-1000.slice -> session-1788.scoe -> sshd: somiaj@pts/4
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4629[22:03:50] <teraflops> greycat: you enable the socket and disable the .service
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4631[22:04:03] <somiaj> greycat: though it may not be a full service so I guess I was mistaken by the name service.
4632[22:04:22] <greycat> "slice"... I have to learn what a "slice" is...? :(
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4636[22:04:51] <somiaj> greycat: I'm just using the language I see in 'systemctl status'
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4641[22:06:17] <somiaj> greycat: replaced-url
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4644[22:06:54] <greycat> somiaj: for context: there are some people within my organization that use a bottled "PCI" test that probes a machine for version numbers in banners and shit like that, and when they see "OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u2" all the know is "6.7" and they think it's vulnerable.
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4646[22:07:18] <greycat> somiaj: so I have a locally compiled openssh (7.2p2 right now) on that box. And I'm currently launching it from /etc/rc.local
4647[22:07:27] <greycat> somiaj: so I figured "Hey, why not write a systemd unit file instead"
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4649[22:08:06] <somiaj> greycat: ahh, seems this is a bit more complicated of a case, the archwiki seems to suggest it is prefered to run sshd using this sshd.socket + sshd@.service
4650[22:08:14] <greycat> somiaj: so I'm looking at a regular jessie box and trying to figure out how to write a systemd unit file for it on the non-regular box
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4652[22:08:52] <greycat> The rc.local file just has "test -x /usr/local/sbin/sshd && /usr/local/sbin/sshd" so I don't see why a systemd unit file has to be much more than that.
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4657[22:09:56] <somiaj> greycat: I don't think it is much more than that, that archwiki link seems to describe what the different unit files do. One keeps the sshd service up and running, then the sshd.socket + sshd@.service spawn on demand instances so each user is running their own fork of sshd.
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4660[22:10:18] <jaro> so guys i got threatned in another channel. then shortly after my hdd went nuts and the computer froze.
4661[22:10:32] <jaro> i'm trying to search dmesg but I'm not finding much of anything weird. any ideas where to look?
4662[22:10:34] <somiaj> greycat: if you don't care if sshd forks and gives each user its own sshd process you can probabaly just not use the sshd.socket + sshd@.service
4663[22:10:38] <jaro> i coudln't get to a tty or nothing i had to hard power off.
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4665[22:11:13] <greycat> jaro: boot from a CD or USB or something, and see if the file system has been damaged (e.g. if someone ran "rm -rf /" it might be pretty obvious when big chunks are missing)
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4668[22:11:36] <jaro> is the debian iso a live cd?
4669[22:11:48] <greycat> The netinst is not. But there exist Debian live CDs.
4670[22:11:57] <greycat> You just can't install from them on UEFI boxes.
4671[22:11:58] <jaro> i downloaded the kde iso
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4673[22:12:11] <jaro> so a live cd is seperate?
4674[22:12:15] <somiaj> jaro: it is not a live cd, but it can be used for a minimal recovery enviorment
4675[22:12:15] <greycat> Usually, yeah.
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4677[22:12:27] <somiaj> jaro: yes the debian live cds are seperate from teh installers.
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4696[22:17:49] <penrod> is there a net install cd with "non free firmware " ?
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4698[22:18:27] <somiaj> !firmware images
4699[22:18:27] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
4700[22:18:33] <somiaj> penrod: ^^
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4706[22:20:30] <penrod> somiaj: thank you, save using usb stick
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4709[22:22:19] <greycat> Well, my /etc/systemd/system/ssh.service file seems to be working now, but I had to do a "systemctl reload ssh.service" which I knew would fail (and it did) to make it start the damned thing. No idea why. It was still hung up on the old one from /etc/init.d/ that I removed.
4710[22:22:49] <greycat> I had thought the "systemctl daemon-reload" and/or the "systemctl enable ssh.service" would have done something, but they didn't.
4711[22:23:45] <greycat> I'll need to do a reboot test though. Just to be sure.
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4715[22:25:25] <somiaj> greycat: did you compile your own ssh in /usr/local or put it in a .deb?
4716[22:26:02] <somiaj> greycat: oh wait, you said /etc, I was thinking you may be able to just use the jessie unit files (all three) for ssh, just update the path to where you installed your custom ssh server
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4730[22:32:40] <dankeast> I occasionally get Rhythmbox crash with a segfault. It's inside totem-pl-parser-podcast.c from libtotem-plparser18 when it happens. Should I file a bug against the lib, or Rhythmbox?
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4732[22:33:49] <itaipu> Hi, I'm searching for speech synthesizers that could read pdf and also could change talker (male/female), is there any options ?
4733[22:33:54] <jhutchins> dankeast: I would file it against the thing that's failing (Rythymbox) with the evidence that it may be a problem with the lib. Let the triage team sort it out.
4734[22:34:05] <jhutchins> itaipu: Festival.
4735[22:34:09] <dankeast> great, thanks :)
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4737[22:34:32] <itaipu> jhutchins: I already have festival, where could I go to change talker ?
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4739[22:34:43] * jhutchins is not entirely sure there _is_ a triage team, but that seems the best policy.
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4741[22:35:14] <jhutchins> itaipu: Festival is a project unto itself, I only know that all things speech synthesys point there.
4742[22:35:43] <greycat> somiaj: Locally compiled in /usr/local and yeah, I copied the jessie ssh.service (no @) and modified the path.
4743[22:35:47] <greycat> Reboot test worked.
4744[22:36:44] <itaipu> jhutchins: ok
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4747[22:37:19] <jhutchins> itaipu: I would think that to read a PDF you'd have to convert it to text, which might mean OCR.
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4765[22:44:36] <LtL> i'm not shocked, i sense despair.. i can relae to that
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4767[22:44:46] <LtL> ignore that
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4775[22:48:42] <jaro> when upgrading kernel. do i have to uninstall nvidia prop drivers first?
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4779[22:49:49] <greycat> I'm not aware of any such requirement, though you'll probably need to build/install new drivers for the new kernel if it's still done the same way this stuff was done 10 years ago....
4780[22:50:21] <jaro> hmm i only see 3.16 or 4.5 in the repos
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4782[22:50:36] <jaro> I wa shoping for 3.19
4783[22:50:41] <greycat> that's because 3.16 is (part of) the jessie kernel, and 4.5 is (part of) a jessie-backports kernel
4784[22:50:49] <greycat> ,kernels
4785[22:50:50] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-trunk-686 (4.6-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.5.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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4788[22:51:50] <jaro> I guess i'll just wait and see what happens, and maybe try the 4.5 kernel if anything.
4789[22:51:54] <jaro> that will get security updates right?
4790[22:52:04] <greycat> Not in the same way that jessie does, no.
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4792[22:52:09] <jaro> oh
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4794[22:52:17] <jaro> so bets to just stick with 3.16 then
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4796[22:52:24] <jaro> let me see if I can suspend
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4800[22:53:04] <jaro> ya suspend works great
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4855[23:09:52] <thursdaylark> I'm creating a package that I want to use on a Raspberry Pi to modify /boot/cmdline.txt (among other things). I've created the package, but dpkg says "failed to make backup link of /boot/cmdline.txt before installing new version: Operation not permitted" Is this because /boot is on a FAT fs?
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4860[23:12:34] <well_laid_lawn> is it mounted ro ?
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4862[23:14:09] <teraflops> thursdaylark: afaik cmdline.txt is ro
4863[23:14:56] <teraflops> well_laid_lawn: yeah that's what i mean
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4868[23:15:45] <well_laid_lawn> ok
4869[23:15:56] <thursdaylark> /boot is mounted rw...
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4875[23:16:59] <well_laid_lawn> as it should be - fat needs mounting options to be rw
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4883[23:18:13] <thursdaylark> why is dpkg trying to create a link, anyways?
4884[23:18:16] <well_laid_lawn> to write to fat usb sticks I mount using -o uid=1000,gid=100,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137
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4888[23:18:37] <well_laid_lawn> you made the package
4889[23:18:43] <well_laid_lawn> !packaging
4890[23:18:43] <dpkg> See replaced-url
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4894[23:20:26] <jhutchins> well_laid_lawn: Very useful factoid, thanks.
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4903[23:21:57] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
4904[23:22:50] <thursdaylark> Well, yeah, but my intention was to just overwrite the existing file. I haven't found any documentation that would suggest that dpkg would behave otherwise...
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4911[23:24:36] <well_laid_lawn> can you create a file in /boot ?
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4913[23:25:26] <thursdaylark> yup
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4919[23:26:23] <well_laid_lawn> what's the permissions on mdline.txt then ?
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4921[23:26:29] <well_laid_lawn> what's the permissions on cmdline.txt then ?
4922[23:27:00] <thursdaylark> 755 root:root
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4924[23:27:33] <well_laid_lawn> I dunno then - does seem odd but then I haven't seen the packaging you've done for it
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4926[23:27:47] <well_laid_lawn> that's where I'd be looking
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4931[23:29:15] <thursdaylark> hmm. I'm not doing anything special afaik... I only have a control file and I'm really just placing files around the system...
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4946[23:36:10] <user20> On my system, the Xfce top desktop border acts as a barrier and won't allow windows to cross it when using Alt dragging. I know Xfce allows it on other systems. Does anybody know the Xfce configuration option for this?
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4965[23:45:04] <axc1298> i'm doing a new install of debian. is there any reason i shouldn't choose i386?
4966[23:45:09] <axc1298> vs amd64
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4971[23:46:11] <awwal> axc1298, if your machine is 64 compatible, I recommend you amd64. I have both arch and amd64 is faster
4972[23:46:11] <LtL> axc1298: if you only have a 32bit processor, then no amd64 for you
4973[23:46:12] <well_laid_lawn> axc1298: if your comp can do 64 bit you're better off choosing that
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4977[23:46:52] <axc1298> well_laid_lawn: why?
4978[23:47:01] <axc1298> the machine only has 2 GB ram
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4981[23:47:45] <awwal> add ram
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4985[23:48:32] <axc1298> i don't want more
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4988[23:48:52] <axc1298> it would just go unused
4989[23:50:50] * awwal Wonders why if I start 'icewm' with startx (xinitrc) icewm doesn't use the full resolution of my monitor, but it does if I start it via 'wdm' :(
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4993[23:51:38] <jmcnaught> axc1298: the kernel will always find a use for spare RAM by using it as a cache
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5002[23:53:47] <axc1298> jmcnaught: would that show up in RAM usage statistics? i've kept an eye on memory usage and i always have ~1 GB free
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5013[23:59:48] <thursdaylark> well_laid_lawn: I ended up working around my dpkg issue by using a preinst script to move the files I intended to overwrite. It seems like dpkg will try to do something like that with links if a file already exists in the fs./
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