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56 [00:26:55] <shann_> Hi, i try to build package python (it's ok for this) but i need also to build documentation (folder docs with Makefile), what best practice for this ?
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86 [00:40:51] <roger`> i use RTL2838 DVB-T usb stick, it 'sorts of' work on kali (witch is based on debian) out of the box, because it freezes on frequency change and i have to reset the usb device to get it working again
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104 [00:49:54] <jhutchins> !tell shann_ about nmg
105 [00:50:02] <jhutchins> shann_: Not sure if that has the info or not.
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122 [00:57:38] <xormor> I like lxde.
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126 [00:58:00] <xormor> I used Cinnamon for a long time, because it suited my needs. I wanted a different looking environment.
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137 [01:02:38] <shann_> hi jhutchins, i not help me but thx for your
138 [01:02:48] <shann_> help* :)
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140 [01:03:13] <Iridos> what was the command to make a loopback device directly and not with mount -o loop
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143 [01:03:39] <Iridos> and even better... I have an image of an usb stick with partitions on it... how do I get the offset for the partition
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148 [01:05:00] <Iridos> oh, finally found something replaced-url
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153 [01:06:07] <jmcnaught> Iridos: you might also find libguestfs-tools useful for whatever you're doing
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156 [01:06:34] <Iridos> actually just peeking in to see if I can delete it
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161 [01:09:07] <Iridos> yeah... guess I can do without a historic knoppix from 2005 :P
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163 [01:10:18] <Iridos> and a debian-502 iso
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180 [01:17:53] <Elec_A> hello, I want to add contrib and non-free after main in sources.list. My question is, which one? there are several lines that end with "main".
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243 [01:41:46] <Megaf_> meh, Debian Jessie KDE stable is completely broken
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245 [01:41:56] <Megaf_> I wonder if anyone actually use that before it's released
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249 [01:42:50] <jmcnaught> Megaf_: i'm pretty sure lots of people use KDE in jessie. what problems are you having? how did you install KDE? do the same problems happen for another user?
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253 [01:43:37] <Megaf_> jmcnaught: well, the most annoying one is that the volume is set to high on every single notification
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255 [01:44:10] <Megaf_> I lower the volume to minimal or to my likes, and then when a notification occurs it is set to maximum and it scares the heck out of me
256 [01:44:43] <Megaf_> the other one is the desktop effects, no matter the configuration I use I get artifacts or bad performance or both
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258 [01:45:36] <Megaf_> I have no issue at all with GNOME, MATE and XFCE, tried them with and without composing
259 [01:45:40] <jmcnaught> Megaf_: the volume issue might be pulseaudio's flat-volumes setting
260 [01:45:56] <Megaf_> but with KDE I have these two annoying bugs
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262 [01:46:57] <jmcnaught> i tried KDE on jessie for a couple of hours then i remembered i don't like KDE, however I didn't notice any artifacts or performance issues with desktop effects
263 [01:47:17] <jmcnaught> if you have been adjusting settings it may still be worth testing in a different user account
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265 [01:49:10] <Megaf_> the artifacts are gone after changing from teh default xrender to any of the OpenGL renders
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272 [01:50:25] <Akuw> should all production servers be migrated to last stable debian version to get security updates once old version is not supported?
273 [01:50:48] <Megaf_> good question
274 [01:51:02] <Megaf_> I would like to keep running my Wheezy servers
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276 [01:51:18] <Megaf_> without ever updating them to Jessie or other Debian
277 [01:51:47] <Megaf_> kernel 2.6.x goodness, low hardware requirements and just as fast as Jessie if not faster
278 [01:52:02] <simonlnu> generally yes. that's not a good idea. distros have releases that get to a point where they're unsupported. it's called end-of-life.
279 [01:52:02] <Megaf_> and the most important to me, OpenVZ compatibilty
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302 [02:00:28] <Megaf_> ok, chosing KDE as DE was a HUGE mistake
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306 [02:01:40] <FinalX> Megaf: as for OpenVZ, you should consider LXC. OpenVZ also started rewriting their tools for LXC.
307 [02:01:51] <FinalX> jessie has good support for it
308 [02:02:26] <Megaf> I can't get used to them, vzctl is just perfect for me, and the precreated templates are also perfect
309 [02:02:32] <jmcnaught> LXC is pretty great. libvirt-lxc is also worth checking out
310 [02:02:33] <FinalX> I also ran OpenVZ for years, but then it became unsupported in Debian and I was annoyed, but finally redid everything with LXC even before the support for it was good enough
311 [02:02:55] <Megaf> OpenVZ, minimal overhead, extremely easy instalation and maintanence
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314 [02:03:05] <sypher> That is also unsupported.
315 [02:03:11] <Megaf> I never managed to get LXC to work on Debian, it just doesnt work out of the box
316 [02:03:24] <FinalX> yes it does.
317 [02:03:25] <Megaf> openvz you just have to install the kernel, vzctl and that's it
318 [02:03:35] <FinalX> on jessie you just apt-get install lxc
319 [02:03:46] <jmcnaught> LXC is pretty easy to get started with, the only feature I had trouble with in Jessie is unprivileged containers
320 [02:03:47] <Megaf> FinalX: It doesnt, it complains about cgroups stuff and fail to lunch stuff
321 [02:03:55] <Megaf> launch*
322 [02:04:17] <Megaf> well, I can give it a try right now, I guarantee that it will not work....
323 [02:04:21] <jmcnaught> Megaf: on jessie at least i found that systemd had already taken care of the cgroups configuration
324 [02:04:38] <Megaf> ok, and what about precreated containers?
325 [02:04:41] <FinalX> unpriv containers work fine if you follow stgraber's howto's, though, I'm running Ubuntu on my server for LXC and LXD now
326 [02:04:57] <Megaf> [01:04:39] <FinalX> unpriv containers work fine if you follow stgraber's howto's, though, I'm running Ubuntu on my server for LXC and LXD now
327 [02:05:01] <Megaf> that's not out of the box
328 [02:05:05] <FinalX> Megaf: this is #debian, but Ubuntu has LXD, a layer on top of LXC that does all that. Images, profile configs, etc.
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330 [02:05:39] <FinalX> Megaf: remapping userid's is something different than running processes in a different namespace.
331 [02:05:57] <FinalX> as far as I remember, OpenVZ had no such option for subuid/subgid
332 [02:06:16] <FinalX> (because it simply doesn't exist in kernel 2.6)
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335 [02:07:00] <FinalX> OpenVZ is old, and even Parallels knows it. They are releasing a newer OpenVZ and Virtuozzo in a while I think, with full LXC-support.
336 [02:07:04] <Megaf> FinalX: listen, in OpenVZ, I just had to install the kernel, the vzctl tool and download a precreated template, and then I was ready to rock, a simple vzctl create ctid and a few parameters and I had a container running
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338 [02:07:12] <FinalX> "listen"
339 [02:07:15] <Megaf> with very low overhead
340 [02:07:19] <FinalX> I told you, I've used OpenVZ for years.
341 [02:07:26] <sypher> Megaf: "listen," as you refuse to.
342 [02:07:26] <FinalX> I know precisely how it works.
343 [02:07:33] <jmcnaught> Megaf: but then you're using a third-party kernel and don't benefit from Debian security updates
344 [02:07:58] <sypher> Megaf: You're trying to make some use-case for old, unsupported software that doesn't receive security updates. You're not going to make that case here.
345 [02:07:58] <Megaf> other bad point for KDE, it's not correcting my typos
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348 [02:08:26] <Megaf> [01:07:32] <jmcnaught> Megaf: but then you're using a third-party kernel and don't benefit from Debian security updates
349 [02:08:32] <jmcnaught> FinalX: did you get unprivileged containers working in Jessie? I couldn't get past an issue where the cgroup namespaces were all root (instead of a user's scope)
350 [02:08:34] <sypher> That's a point in KDE's favor, in my book. I don't think I've ever typed the word "ducking" purposefully...
351 [02:08:45] <FinalX> Megaf: What happens when a user gets an exploit for your years-old unpatched software, and gains root in the container? Doesn't take a lot to become root on the host with OpenVZ then. With different namespaces in the kernel as well as remapping userid's in the container to higher userid's on the host, you can't.
352 [02:09:02] <Megaf> the crazy thing is, I learned about OpenVZ on Debian 6, when I had the choice of selectign the OpenVZ kernel at install time
353 [02:09:06] <FinalX> jmcnaught: mine work fine, I'm even running a whole virtualised container-selection system for our new webhosting platform on it
354 [02:09:16] <FinalX> jmcnaught: even with 5 different uid and 5 different gid mappings per container.
355 [02:09:25] <Megaf> so Debian 6 "made me" use it, and now I have nowhere to go
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357 [02:09:41] <FinalX> jmcnaught: mapping 0 - 32 out, 33 to 33 on host, 34 - 999 out again, and 1000+ back to 1000+ again (for our nfs shares)
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359 [02:09:51] <jmcnaught> FinalX: containers started by users? do you recall anything about the cgroup namespaces when you set it up?
360 [02:10:06] <FinalX> Megaf: because you're tunnel visioned tbh
361 [02:10:37] <FinalX> jmcnaught: Stéphane wrote a how-to on that, you can, but you have to make sure your mortal user has the right to become those subuid/subgid's and has access to your network bridge
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363 [02:10:59] <FinalX> jmcnaught: see replaced-url
364 [02:11:06] <Megaf> wow, firefox is ultra ugly in KDE :S
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371 [02:12:12] <Megaf> FinalX: jmcnaught: is this updated? replaced-url
372 [02:12:30] <Megaf> where can I get some proper documentation about LXC on Debian?
373 [02:12:31] <FinalX> jmcnaught: at the moment I run an nginx front-end proxy with LUA-scripting on the host, and LXC containers running Debian wheezy, Debian jessie, Ubuntu precise and Ubuntu xenial with different versions of Apache and PHP. Customers can then choose a "flavor" for their website, and nginx will send them to that container through a LUA script I wrote
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375 [02:12:45] <jmcnaught> FinalX: yes thanks, I was following that when I tried. maybe i'll take another crack at it
376 [02:12:46] <Megaf> OpenVZ has proper documentation...
377 [02:12:51] <FinalX> can even send an X-Container header to the server and it will then return that container :)
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379 [02:13:31] <FinalX> Megaf: my god, is the only thing you can do complain before researching anything? here, replaced-url
380 [02:13:47] <Megaf> that's not oficial Debian nor LXC documentation
381 [02:13:55] <jmcnaught> Megaf: there's also the man pages, and contents of /usr/share/doc/lxc
382 [02:14:09] <Megaf> OpenVZ has a whole wiki of good and well writen stuff man
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384 [02:14:30] <sypher> Megaf: Can tell you don't work in IT...
385 [02:14:34] <Devastator> then go suffer with OpenVZ
386 [02:15:47] <Megaf> sypher: lol
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391 [02:17:44] <Megaf> anyways, LXC is something very different from OpenVZ, completely different workflow and you know that. Also, it doesnt have anything like vzctl set CTID --ipadd IP
392 [02:18:08] <Devastator> argh..
393 [02:18:10] <FinalX> it's not a good idea to just "stick with what you know" in an ever-changing world called the internet, especially not in the virtualisation-world where things change nearly every day. go with the flow or just stop before you get left behind on a terribly vulnerable and outdated system
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396 [02:18:44] <jmcnaught> systemd-nspawn is also pretty interesting. its containers can be accessed with systemctl/journalctl -M. libvirt-lxc has this machined integration too, but not LXC yet
397 [02:18:52] <FinalX> anyhow, 2 AM here, /me &
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399 [02:19:21] <sypher> The "stick with what you know" mentality is behind a lot of problematic deployments in the IT industry. Especially a lot of the security problems.
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401 [02:20:01] <Megaf> sypher: my first server OS was Windows Server 2003, then I moved to CentOS and then to Debian, pretty happy with Debian
402 [02:20:20] <Megaf> so as you can see, I have moved quite a bit
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404 [02:20:37] <sypher> Megaf: Color me unimpressed when viewed through the lens of the previous conversation.
405 [02:20:46] <jmcnaught> Megaf: if you spend some time using LXC on your PC it won't take long to get comfortable with it
406 [02:21:00] <sypher> Anyway, I have a bottle of whisky calling my name, I think I'm going to go have a glass. Cheers.
407 [02:21:01] <Megaf> jmcnaught: I'm on it right now, installing it
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409 [02:21:09] * sypher &
410 [02:21:23] <Megaf> 1:21 here, not a good time to be root
411 [02:21:38] <Devastator> with the help of jmcnaught I was able to setup KVM, seems good enough for my purposes :)
412 [02:21:47] <Megaf> but anyways, just installed Debian and stuff is saved in 3 drives
413 [02:22:02] <Megaf> Devastator: it is, I use it a lot, but it has lots of overhead
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419 [02:25:42] <jmcnaught> Devastator: i actually have an "lxc" libvirt/KVM domain on my laptop to contain my containers (and turn them all off when not needed)
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421 [02:26:27] <Megaf> sypher: anyways, the thing is, I really like OpenVZ and I've been using it since Debian 6. Now it's a little bit unconftable to move to LXC.
422 [02:26:34] <jmcnaught> with LXC is was also fairly easy to get working with LVM thin snapshots, takes only a second to "lxc-clone -s -o foo -n bar" to make a new snapshotted container with a new hostname
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424 [02:26:45] <sypher> Megaf: Welcome to IT.
425 [02:27:04] <Megaf> does LXC has live migration?
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427 [02:27:19] <jmcnaught> Megaf: in a few more years you'll probably need to learn something else completely new
428 [02:27:32] <Devastator> jmcnaught I really need to learn about other virtualisation solutions.. as I said to you before, I like KVM because it is more "pure" in terms of kernel & networking, in my opinion at least
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431 [02:28:27] <Devastator> just to "install" OpenVZ you have to apply an ugly kernel patch.. gives me the creeps
432 [02:28:57] <Megaf> I have to read this replaced-url
433 [02:31:03] <Megaf> so, I will miss the --ipadd option, without having to setup a bridge network (just workflow change issues)
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436 [02:33:04] <bazhang> #lxcontainer Megaf
437 [02:33:34] <bazhang> or whatever alis suggest
438 [02:33:49] <Megaf> ah, we are talking about different things running on Debian
439 [02:34:19] <bazhang> and you need to learn about lxc
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441 [02:34:29] <bazhang> so go to the source
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445 [02:36:16] <Megaf> I agree
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447 [02:37:09] <Megaf> anyway, thanks for you attention and help folks. And sorry for disturbing you and complaining so much. I will continue to work on LXC tomorrow. Cya
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460 [02:41:28] <kcirick> Hello... I have a mouse whose device ID seems to change everytime it goes into sleep, so every time it wakes up, I have to pair the mouse. Why does this happen, and how can I fix it?
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462 [02:42:51] <Akuw> actually i made apt-get dist-upgrade, but whe do uname -a i got 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux
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464 [02:43:23] <Akuw> in /boot i have vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-686-pae and vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae
465 [02:43:40] <Akuw> how can i do so debian use last kernel
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503 [03:09:08] <Elec_A> I want to install latest Nvidia Version because of CUDA. what should I do ?
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506 [03:09:51] <Elec_A> Currently jessie stable is not supporting more than 340.
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508 [03:10:08] <Elec_A> but latest cuda requires more than 355
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526 [03:19:52] <bazhang> Elec_A, what do you need cuda for
527 [03:20:24] <jmcnaught> Elec_A: jessie-backports has nvidia 352.79 and some nvidia-cuda packages at 6.5.19. Best to use Debian packages, don't bork your system with the nvidia installer script
528 [03:20:48] <Elec_A> bazhang: Parralel Programming of course.
529 [03:21:10] <Elec_A> jmcnaught: I'll look at that. thanks.
530 [03:21:31] <jmcnaught> Elec_A: see replaced-url
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532 [03:23:23] <jair> This might be totally unrelated but... If I am going to install wireshark in Debian, should I choose the QT version or the GTK?
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543 [03:28:13] <jair> I believe I got the answer in google
544 [03:28:15] <jair> QT is the future of wireshark
545 [03:28:18] <jair> thanks you
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563 [03:45:41] <fenglin001> Excuse me, how to hide your IP address?
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570 [03:46:58] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> fenglin001: you can ask in #freenode
571 [03:47:02] <LtL> fenglin001: register with nickserv then ask in #freenode for a cloak
572 [03:50:04] <fenglin001> Cannot send to channel
573 [03:50:06] <codespells> Need to get a discrete graphics card. The only thing I care about is opengl since I am going to be testing virtio-gpu with virgl so I can use opengl in my qemu vms. Thing is wont install any thing on my host that is not in the repos.
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575 [03:50:19] <codespells> Any hints on a cheap card for this?
576 [03:50:31] <LtL> fenglin001: register with nickserv. /msg nickserv help register
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578 [03:51:05] <Akuw> actually i made apt-get dist-upgrade, but whe do uname -a i got 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux
579 [03:51:09] <Akuw> in /boot i have vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-686-pae and vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae
580 [03:51:12] <fenglin001> Ok, thank you
581 [03:51:14] <codespells> idk does the Radeon R7s need any weird binaries?
582 [03:51:15] <Akuw> how can i do so debian use last kernel
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584 [03:52:19] <codespells> Akuw, I would think by installing it
585 [03:52:35] <Akuw> is installed
586 [03:52:49] <codespells> what does uname -r say?
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588 [03:53:18] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> fenglin001 you also need to wait to be voiced
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590 [03:54:34] <codespells> Is there a list of GPUs that can be uses with open source drivers?
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594 [03:56:25] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> codespells I'm not sure if any gpu's 'support' any open source drivers
595 [03:56:31] <naptastic> Is something the matter with Sid? I'm trying to install GDB. My normal mirror is utexas.edu, but it's giving 404's.
596 [03:56:42] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> did you apt-get update?
597 [03:56:46] <naptastic> Of course :)
598 [03:56:58] <naptastic> I tried mirror.rackspace.com as well and (after apt-get update) it says gdb has no installation candidate
599 [03:57:13] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> are you confident that your sources.list is safe and happy?
600 [03:57:31] <naptastic> Pretty sure. I'
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602 [03:57:42] <naptastic> I'm comparing it with the sources.list files on other machines.
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605 [03:57:59] <codespells> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud, seen stuff from nouveau in the past. Not sure how far they have gotten though. There are projects for AMDs stuff to
606 [03:58:05] <naptastic> Perhaps I should try another mirror? (I would LOVE for this to be my problem though.)
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609 [03:58:31] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> codespells: yeah and AMD has some of its developers working on the linux driver
610 [03:58:59] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> codespells: however that's not the same as the foss driver being 'supported' by AMD
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617 [03:59:47] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> codespells: amd is probably your best bet and in terms of figuring out which card to buy/use the authors of the particular driver that you're using should have a list of tested cards
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620 [04:00:38] <TiCPU> what is going on with the constant 404 on debian repos?
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622 [04:00:48] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> we were just talking about that actually
623 [04:01:03] <naptastic> It's not just me, then...
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627 [04:01:13] <TiCPU> happens on wheezy, jessie and stretch
628 [04:01:15] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> naptastic: i was getting there... lol
629 [04:01:20] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> but i'm not having this problem
630 [04:01:20] <naptastic> :)
631 [04:01:29] <naptastic> I'm on sid and have been having trouble.
632 [04:01:32] <TiCPU> some mirror are old enough to have the Packages file, others don't
633 [04:01:37] <naptastic> I switched to the main FTP mirror and it's working now.
634 [04:01:59] <somiaj> TiCPU: have you ran apt-get update?
635 [04:02:05] <somiaj> TiCPU: what mirror are you using?
636 [04:02:18] <TiCPU> this issue seems to be ongoing for 2 to 3 days now; apt-get update is what gets 404'ed
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638 [04:02:32] <somiaj> TiCPU: what mirror?
639 [04:02:39] <TiCPU> ftp.ca.debian.org and csclub.uwaterloo
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641 [04:03:11] <themill> TiCPU: which release of debian?
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643 [04:03:28] <TiCPU> I switched our apt-cacher-ng to replaced-url
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646 [04:03:55] <TiCPU> right now I only tested stretch E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
647 [04:04:16] <TiCPU> however for the last 2 days, jessie and wheezy were affected, let me try jessie
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650 [04:04:31] <codespells> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud, most of the stuff I am using atm is from Alex Willionson's VFIO drivers to pass high Nvidia GTX970s to windows VMs. Works really well. Gerd Hoffmann (RedHat DD) Just dropped some new patches I would like to try try for passing opengl to qemu VMs. Just need a host opengl gpu now
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652 [04:04:39] <themill> TiCPU: Have you configured specific compressors to be used? (e.g. bz2)
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654 [04:05:15] <codespells> this uses Virtgl virtio-gpu and some new mesa stuff
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656 [04:05:48] <TiCPU> themill, works on jessie directly, however, it may be apt-cacher-ng which wants no-compression
657 [04:05:54] <codespells> try to stick to Intel stuff buy my Xeon's dont have any APUs.
658 [04:05:54] <TiCPU> let me check
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661 [04:08:50] <TiCPU> themill, I confirm that 404 happens for machines fetching uncompressed Packages, I don't know where it is forced yet
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663 [04:10:54] <TiCPU> tried again just now and it fetched a .xz
664 [04:11:30] <TiCPU> this machine uses ftp.ca.debian.org so it can land anywhere
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720 [04:52:46] <Diego0__> hi
721 [04:52:48] <Diego0__> help me
722 [04:52:49] <Diego0__> replaced-url
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727 [04:58:28] <somiaj> Diego0__: to be able to use those dns-nameservers you need the helper package resolvconf (or openresolv)
728 [05:00:01] <rjsalts> Diego0__: also stub resolver won't consult second or third nameservers unless there is a problem resolving with the preceding nameservers
729 [05:00:02] <penrod> greetings, don't know if this belongs in this channel. I am going to install "jessie" on a proliant ml310 5p, but before i do that i am going to create a raid 1, is there a quick way to format the disk(s) before I use the raid utility
730 [05:00:57] <Diego0__> how install package resolvconf?
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732 [05:01:12] <somiaj> Diego0__: the same way you install any package, apt-get install
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734 [05:01:49] <Diego0__> ok
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736 [05:01:52] <TiCPU> penrod, depends on how quick, wipefs is really quick and erase signatures, badblock -vw will zero and test the disk all along, mdadm itself (if using linux-raid) will make the disk content equal anyway
737 [05:02:16] <Diego0__> after I do? I already installed it
738 [05:02:32] <Diego0__> ohh
739 [05:02:35] <Diego0__> i work
740 [05:02:37] <Diego0__> i love you
741 [05:02:42] <Diego0__> thanks my friend
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770 [05:28:02] <penrod> TiCPu, I was in the raid utility, and started a format ( the disks are 550g) it took an hour to get 1 %
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772 [05:28:38] <TiCPU> penrod, for a RAID1, I'd prefer using mdadm (linux / software raid) especially on a ML310
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774 [05:29:08] <TiCPU> since it uses a fake raid to begin with
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776 [05:29:11] <penrod> I have an aversion to software raid, anything you can say to convince me otherwise?
777 [05:29:31] <penrod> really, I thought it was hardware raid, oops
778 [05:29:42] <TiCPU> penrod, first of all, a fake raid is in fact (in the windows world) a software RAID within a driver
779 [05:30:06] <dvs> penrod, do you mean the RAID inside a BIOS?
780 [05:30:10] <penrod> i understand, I thought the ml310 5p had a hardware raid, that changes a few thoughts I had
781 [05:30:28] <penrod> ah the raid setup is outside the bios.
782 [05:30:39] <penrod> but has its own bios
783 [05:31:02] <penrod> I had better confirm the hardware. I apologize for wasting time,
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803 [05:41:53] <hesco> I have a server with a broken network and I'm seeking guidance on how to resolve the issue. What channel might be a good place to ask those sort of questions?
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817 [05:50:12] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> hesco: define broken network and server?
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862 [06:21:17] <gnikc2> So, what's 'snapd'?
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864 [06:23:07] <gnikc2> Nevermind.
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891 [06:42:16] <nezZario> Hey, where is /etc/bash.bashrc read from? I don't see it being included via ~/.bashrc
892 [06:42:25] <nezZario> So what is kicking that off ?
893 [06:42:46] <nezZario> nvm /etc/profile, got it.
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1049 [08:15:53] <MaBunny> guys whats the command to make a directory???
1050 [08:16:06] <CoJaBo> mkdir ?
1051 [08:16:17] <MaBunny> ok
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1056 [08:19:29] <SPF> I have one process which is using 100% CPU if I look with top. However if I use top -b it shows 0% CPU
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1068 [08:23:34] <prago_1> how can I autologin in textmode in debian8 ?
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1070 [08:23:47] <prago_1> followed this tutorial and got working text-mode: replaced-url
1071 [08:23:53] <prago_1> but how to autologin?
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1073 [08:25:06] <Dan39> i dont think thats what you really want
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1075 [08:25:19] <Dan39> that just makes it so the boot process shows a console, not that it boots you to a console
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1081 [08:26:03] <haasn> If apt's package installing performance is CPU-bottlenecked by dpkg's ability to extract the packages, is there anything I can do to help speed it up?
1082 [08:26:14] <haasn> e.g. extract packages in parallel (it seems to be single-threaded only)
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1085 [08:27:18] <Dan39> prago_1: it looks like there is a package to help you set that up actually
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1087 [08:27:21] <Dan39> console-autologin
1088 [08:27:23] <Dan39> haha
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1102 [08:35:06] <themill> haasn: it's not the extraction, it's getting the data onto the disk that is the slow step; dpkg makes sure the data actually hits the disk and file updates are atomic so that you don't get a hosed system if the unpacking is aborted in some way
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1104 [08:35:29] <haasn> themill: I'm running apt through libeatmydata and an SSD with 2 GB/s random writes
1105 [08:35:41] <haasn> the disk is nowhere near its IOPS limit
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1107 [08:35:44] <themill> (it can be CPU-limited on arm but that's doesn't really count)
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1109 [08:37:16] <themill> I don't recall if eatmydata actually manages to get rid of all the syncs involved; it certainly doesn't deal with the database and maintainer script steps
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1112 [08:37:34] <haasn> I wonder if there's some experiment I could try to see if using lz4 instead (or whatever) would be faster
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1116 [08:38:40] <themill> benchmarking on the compressor has been done and it always turns out to be not really worth it, plus the optimisation is almost always towards mirror size and download size and maintaining an "acceptable" memory footprint for unpacking, not on unpack speed
1117 [08:38:56] <haasn> sadly I don't remember the exact `top` output, I know dpkg was listed at 100% CPU but I don't recall how much of that was in idle wait
1118 [08:39:14] <themill> 501456 is relevant btw
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1120 [08:40:35] <haasn> themill: my pairing is perhaps a bit odd though, I'm pairing a 1 Gbps internal apt mirror, a 2 GB/s NVMe SSD and DDR4 memory with a cheap i3 :(
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1128 [08:41:21] <themill> yeah, people with local mirrors and lots of installations aren't going to be interested in optimising towards mirror size, but there's also no way of optimising for everyone's use case at the same time
1129 [08:41:23] <haasn> It's not a huge deal, I just figured I'd try seeing if there was something simple I could try to shave off a few more minutes from the redeployment / testing process
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1131 [08:42:24] <haasn> this setup already installs ~6000 packages in 20-30 minutes, a big improvement :p
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1133 [08:46:13] <haasn> I wonder if packages are signed before or after compression. If before, maybe in some hypothetical future the compression format could be tunable in the package format and an apt mirror could recompress the cached files locally
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1135 [08:46:30] <haasn> But I guess I'll trust your judgments about whether it would provide any benefit
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1142 [08:48:27] <bytecounter> Hi @all
1143 [08:49:03] <themill> haasn: the individual packages aren't signed so yes they can be recompressed although there is an undertaking with the mirror operators that file contents don't change like that
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1146 [08:49:59] <prago_1> Dan39: but this works.. it not only shows text while booting but I boots to a console-login.. thats ok , or not? what do you mean by "console-autologin" ?
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1208 [09:26:13] <theluckymike> hi. I have debian with i3, but seems most of application doesn't load gtk theme and are extremly unusable. If I launch app via sudo, gtk loades fine, what permissions I could be missing ?
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1244 [09:45:09] <lotus> Hey~
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1253 [09:48:34] <Arahael> theluckymike: you probably have stuffed permissions. rule 1: do not run gui apps using sudo.
1254 [09:48:45] <theluckymike> I know, I don't
1255 [09:48:47] <theluckymike> it was just for test
1256 [09:49:02] <Arahael> then i dunno
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1258 [09:49:20] <theluckymike> and yes, it seems as permission issue, but cannot find what persmissions exactly
1259 [09:49:27] <alta23> hi
1260 [09:49:33] <lotus> USB headset audio issues here. I select the USB headset and my flash video gets choppy and sound stops working. I put it back to speakers and everything plays fine again. Toggle on toggle off bug. Definitely something to do with pulseaudio and usb headset. I recall fixing this before with a sample rate change and freq setting, but I can't remember what now and lost the config files - any help?
1261 [09:49:39] <jmcnaught> theluckymike: are you using a theme that came with Debian? Are you using Jessie?
1262 [09:50:03] <alta23> is there a way to start an application on the X-server, but from lets say tty3
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1264 [09:51:30] <theluckymike> jmcnaught: no, I installed arch theme, yes, I'm on Jessie
1265 [09:51:43] <theluckymike> but most of applications still sit on default theme, yes
1266 [09:51:49] <theluckymike> what is unusable ( i3wm)
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1269 [09:53:39] <theluckymike> and it gets spammed with those: Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3999:75: The :prelight pseudo-class is deprecated. Use :hover instead.
1270 [09:53:40] <jmcnaught> alta23: "DISPLAY=:0 xeyes" but why not just run the program from a terminal emulator? Also you can use "who" or "w" to see if it's :0 you want
1271 [09:54:15] <jmcnaught> theluckymike: how did you install this arch theme?
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1273 [09:54:55] <theluckymike> they have package
1274 [09:55:02] <theluckymike> but it applys to all themes I change via lxappearance
1275 [09:55:05] <theluckymike> applies
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1277 [09:55:35] <jmcnaught> theluckymike: you installed a .deb package for this theme?
1278 [09:55:41] <theluckymike> y
1279 [09:56:04] <theluckymike> replaced-url
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1281 [09:57:54] <jmcnaught> theluckymike: you added "deb replaced-url
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1283 [09:58:04] <theluckymike> yes
1284 [09:58:14] <jmcnaught> if that theme is broken you should ask the arc-theme people
1285 [09:58:22] <theluckymike> but its not broken
1286 [09:58:26] <theluckymike> if I lunch app with sudo it works fine
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1288 [09:58:46] <theluckymike> and I have 30x themes listed in lxappearance tool, all have same effect
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1293 [09:59:34] <Iridos> lotus, look for error messages in dmesg /var/log/message and journalctl ... sounds like some errors keep it busy and that's why other things stall
1294 [09:59:46] <alta23> jmcnaught: i just wanted to try it would be easier sometimes when a lot of emulator is opened
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1296 [10:00:11] <alta23> jmcnaught: but xeyes doesnt work, is it the name of the display?
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1298 [10:00:27] <jmcnaught> alta23: xeyes is the name of a program
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1301 [10:01:00] <jmcnaught> alta23: but it's probably better to launch X programs from within the X environment
1302 [10:01:19] <alta23> jmcnaught: okay, thank you:)
1303 [10:01:30] <Iridos> theluckymike, I still don't see what problem you have. what does "gtk doesn't load" even mean
1304 [10:01:57] <bytecounter> Hi @all. I want to route all local mails to an external server. The MTA is exim4. I tried to adapt /etc/exim4/conf.d/router/900_exim4-config_local_user but it did not work: replaced-url
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1306 [10:02:54] <jmcnaught> alta23: xeyes is in x11-apps if you're curious
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1312 [10:05:28] <alta23> jmcnaught: wow now it's working:)
1313 [10:05:45] <alta23> jmcnaught: but it wont let root to run x applications i guess
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1316 [10:07:33] <eluus> how can I repair a usb stick on xfce?
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1322 [10:09:06] <eluus> nevermind, found it
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1324 [10:10:04] <alta23> wow, i found a solution, if i su --preserve-environment it will let root run graphic programs
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1326 [10:11:02] <lotus> Iridos: will do, thank you.
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1334 [10:15:36] <Ulrar> Hi, I have a problem with post-up commands that aren't called in /etc/network/interfaces
1335 [10:15:58] <Ulrar> It's to add some ipv6 routes, it works fine when I run them by hand, but post-up seems to just not run them
1336 [10:17:52] <lotus> Iridos: seems like it was the USB port. I was getting something about not being able to detect freq 0x1
1337 [10:17:55] <lotus> in dmesg
1338 [10:18:07] <lotus> switching the cable from a 3.0 to a 2.0 usb port fixed the problem.
1339 [10:18:13] <Iridos> \o/
1340 [10:18:18] <lotus> ty sir
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1342 [10:19:02] <Iridos> :)
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1344 [10:19:15] <stacks88> with raid 5 , 6 TB x 5.. if one drive dies, how long would it take to rebuild, software raid? any guesses
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1380 [10:40:51] <GreyArea> Hello, trying to 'apt-get install build-essential module-assistant' on a fresh debian 8.5 system and I'm getting "unknown group 'root' in statoverride file".
1381 [10:41:12] <GreyArea> This happens either if I sudo it or do it as root.
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1389 [10:45:37] <GreyArea> ah, nvm - fixed it
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1394 [10:47:28] <babilen> GreyArea: What was it?
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1397 [10:49:15] <GreyArea> babilen: User error, I must have accidentally removed a character in the group file. It was right, it was an unknown group! doh :)
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1405 [10:57:28] <hiya> how to check the number of users we have using cli?
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1408 [10:59:16] <moozer> hiya: first thought was to list the bash processes, but that will not work since bash is spawned by all kinds of automated processes
1409 [11:00:09] <hiya> then how to check?
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1412 [11:02:41] <moozer> hiya: if you do "ps -aux" you'll get a list of processes. There is a column called tty - thats is the "interactive" processes
1413 [11:02:41] <Laki0123> cat /etc/passwd | grep bash
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1418 [11:03:47] <moozer> Have anyone looked at "snaps"?
1419 [11:04:01] <moozer> replaced-url
1420 [11:04:15] <moozer> It is apparently also for debian.
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1423 [11:06:18] <moozer> hiya: "ps -aut" is simpler
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1428 [11:09:09] <Arahael> i don't think the hyphen is needed.
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1433 [11:14:14] <venkat_330> I want to make some changes in my UVC driver and apt-cache linux-source points linux-source & linux-source-3.16
1434 [11:14:22] <venkat_330> which one should i install
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1539 [12:17:54] <Ansa89> hi all, I'm using stretch, but after last updates, the space key is randomly pressed
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1542 [12:18:02] <Ansa89> is it a known bug?
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1546 [12:19:02] <Ansa89> I think it could be a xorg problem
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1548 [12:19:29] <ahri> hi, i'm trying to force mysql to start after remote filesystems have been mounted. i altered /etc/init.d/mysql and appended $remote_fs to both Required-Start and Required-Stop - but when i reboot the machine mysql hasn't started (/var/lib/mysql is a symlink to a remote fs) - have i misunderstood the significance of Required-Start/Stop?
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1568 [12:31:16] <babilen> Ansa89: Could you try kernel 4.5 ? I'm seeing weird keyboard issues with 4.6 also
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1572 [12:32:44] <Ansa89> babilen, the problem started right after upgrade (before reboot)
1573 [12:32:55] <Ansa89> however I will try it
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1583 [12:36:36] <Ansa89> babilen, the problem persist also with kernel 4.5
1584 [12:36:46] <Ansa89> so I can say it's not kernel-related
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1588 [12:38:04] <babilen> Okay, that raises the question: What else did you upgrade?
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1590 [12:38:41] <Ansa89> I also noticed a "dvb-usb: schedule remote query interval to 50 msecs", but I don't know if it could be related
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1596 [12:40:01] <Ansa89> I upgraded libreoffice, some kde-base stuff, the kernel, python3 and some libwayland I think
1597 [12:41:14] <Ansa89> my DE is xfce, with some kde-base libs installed (but not the entire kde environment)
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1599 [12:41:27] <Arahael> My DE is tmuxx.
1600 [12:41:29] <Arahael> *tmux
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1611 [12:44:38] <tester> insserv: warning: script 'ejabberd' missing LSB tags and overrides. script works just fine, but those logs while apt-get update are annoying. what is the minimum config to solve this via lsb headers?
1612 [12:45:51] <Ansa89> babilen, more strange is that it repeats only space, not the key I press
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1615 [12:46:50] <babilen> Ansa89: I'd also like to point out that testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net not here on freenode
1616 [12:47:08] <Ansa89> oh thx
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1671 [13:11:28] <FinalX> tiny overlooked thing in apache 2.4's init-script (jessie, non-systemd), should I mail the package maintainer, or file a bug report?
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1673 [13:11:46] <FinalX> they don't honor the APACHE_ARGUMENTS in /etc/apache2/envvars, they just don't do anything with it :)
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1689 [13:19:25] <babilen> FinalX: Filing a bug report would be best in that case, I'm sure
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1692 [13:21:15] <FinalX> hm ok, it's not Debian-specific, is why I'm asking (Ubuntu has the same problem)
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1695 [13:21:47] <FinalX> I'd like to add -T so it won't check 10k+ DocumentRoots :)
1696 [13:21:51] <babilen> Ubuntu just nabs the Debian packages, so filing this in Debian should get it fixed in Ubuntu in due course also
1697 [13:21:59] <FinalX> right, forgot about that
1698 [13:22:06] <Arahael> such a freeloader.
1699 [13:22:21] <babilen> And the maintainer is a Debian developer
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1703 [13:23:02] <vlt> Hello. Where can I find .deb files for a specific version of a pkg for Debian 7 (oldstable)?
1704 [13:23:14] <babilen> dpkg: snapshots
1705 [13:23:14] <dpkg> replaced-url
1706 [13:23:22] <babilen> vlt: ^
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1803 [14:08:11] <mirazi_heket> hello im resizing encrypted partition via replaced-url
1804 [14:08:20] <mirazi_heket> 1. Boot a live CD and, using any tool, using any tool create a new partition, lets call it /dev/sda6 , next to and to the left of (after) your crypt.
1805 [14:08:46] <mirazi_heket> "to the left of" and "(after)"
1806 [14:08:53] <mirazi_heket> could someone explain it to me
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1813 [14:13:55] <jelly> mirazi_heket: perhaps is was written by a person from a right-to-left locale, hindu or arabic or whatever
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1834 [14:26:43] <vadmeste> Hello everybody. Fonts in console & graphical installs are very tiny in laptops with 4k screens, could that be considered a bug to be reported ?
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1849 [14:33:22] <babilen> vadmeste: It's a feature! You could look into raising the DPI though -- See replaced-url
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1852 [14:33:44] <babilen> You are looking for the DisplaySize setting in "Monitor"
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1863 [14:36:15] <vadmeste> babilen: actually I am specifically talking about the debian installer, since it is not obvious (or possible?) to change the screen resolution, I would consider it as a bug in my opinion.
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1876 [14:38:42] <fender0107401> I think the current installer (I use Stable branch) is fine.
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1895 [14:43:51] <vadmeste> Ultra HD in a 13.3 screen?
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1908 [14:50:49] <GreyArea> I'm using debian on a 4k screen, I've found out how to scale windows using the gnome-tweak-tool but the top bar and lock screen are still really tiny, how can I adjust those too? thanks.
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1933 [15:02:55] <whirm> I'm having an issue with efibootmgr creating unbootable entries on my Debian laptop. It points to the grub64.efi image via PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0x17,0x0)/Sata(3,32768,0)/HD(1,GPT,.... when it should be PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0x17,0x0)/Sata(2,65535,0)/HD(1,GPT.....
1934 [15:03:25] <whirm> any idea about why that could be happening?
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1937 [15:03:53] <whirm> My laptop only has one disk btw
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1952 [15:10:25] <ripero> I have a dual windows/debian laptop; after a dist-upgrade, grub is not loading (booting directly to windows; I've tried the usual (rescue from install ISO, execute a shell in root directory, mount /boot/efi, update-grub && grub-install to /boot/efi), but after reboot grub is still not loading; what can I do?
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1954 [15:10:50] <ripero> maybe I'm missing a step in the rescue process?
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1970 [15:17:52] <whirm> ripero: you may need to change the efi bootorder?
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1973 [15:19:30] <ripero> whirm: what is that, how do I do it, and why wasn't it needed before?
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1983 [15:24:14] <whirm> ripero: enter your BIOS settings and see if the "debian" entry is first on the boot order config
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1999 [15:33:08] <AndChat|123321> whirm: thank you, I'll give it a try
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2001 [15:33:41] <whirm> AndChat|123321: yw
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2008 [15:35:54] <GeneralStupid> Hi, i need some help with debian jessie, systemd-timesyncd cannot connect to any ntp server -.-
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2020 [15:38:28] <jelly> GeneralStupid: how come you're using timesyncd instead of ntp package?
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2023 [15:39:24] <GeneralStupid> jelly: i guess its standard in jessie?
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2026 [15:40:47] <jelly> GeneralStupid: it's not
2027 [15:41:12] <GeneralStupid> jelly: and how do i disable it and why is it enable by default?
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2035 [15:43:49] <Iridos> that was stupid
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2051 [15:53:48] <Somelauw> I'm using the release version of iceweasel. Doing a dist-upgrade tries to install firefox-esr instead. Should I block firefox-esr from being installed?
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2054 [15:54:32] <jelly> Somelauw: no, this is the right way forward
2055 [15:54:35] <ksk> why would you do that / whats esr? (im not into desktops)
2056 [15:54:39] <jelly> !esr
2057 [15:54:40] <dpkg> Eric S. Raymond, a very clever Linux d00d with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a guy who has some ideas about guns and who can't figure out CUPS. The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar. Somebody whose sgeigerbot's computer thinks about when it boots: "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000", or replaced-url
2058 [15:54:47] <jelly> not that esr, sorry
2059 [15:54:51] <ksk> :D
2060 [15:54:52] <greycat> hahaha
2061 [15:54:55] <Somelauw> esr is older than the release version
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2063 [15:55:06] <ksk> okay. extend somewhat release ;)
2064 [15:55:12] <jelly> Somelauw: which debian release are you using?
2065 [15:55:16] <Somelauw> jessie
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2069 [15:55:57] <jelly> Somelauw: I guess the upgrade path for people using mozilla.debian.net release track is not ironed out yet
2070 [15:56:04] <jelly> ,v firefox
2071 [15:56:05] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 47.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 47.0-1; experimental: 48.0~b1-1
2072 [15:56:18] <jelly> Somelauw: just install firefox afterwards
2073 [15:56:40] <greycat> dpkg, firefox-esr is Firefox Extended Support Release, basically mozilla's version of "stable". Replaced iceweasel beginning with Debian 8.5.
2074 [15:56:40] <dpkg> greycat: okay
2075 [15:57:18] <rgr> need some dvd help. cant get any player to play any DVD. keep skipping through the menus. apart from VLC where an input codec setting fixed that but then in VLC I cant actaully select anything from the menu. Is there a bot snippet available detailin ggettting DVDs to run. Tried numerous players.
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2077 [15:57:38] <greycat> (It's a new package in jessie, so if you've only been doing "apt-get upgrade" you may have to do a "dist-upgrade" or "install iceweasel" to get it.)
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2082 [15:58:44] <Somelauw> there are also some plugins, I expect will break. But after upgrading, it's hard to go back.
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2084 [15:58:52] <jelly> yeah
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2086 [16:00:12] <cruncher> rgr, try running the players in a terminal so you can see the output messages
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2088 [16:00:18] <Somelauw> oh, if it's a new package, does it mean it will keep both?
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2091 [16:00:30] <greycat> iceweasel is now a dummy transitional package
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2094 [16:00:38] <jelly> who you calling a dummy
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2097 [16:00:53] <greycat> iceweasel
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2101 [16:01:44] <Somelauw> iceweasel will be upgraded to 44.0.2-1~bpo80+1 and firefox esr 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1 will be installed.
2102 [16:01:55] <greycat> Removing iceweasel (45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1) ...
2103 [16:01:57] <Somelauw> so the update turns it into a dummy
2104 [16:02:13] <Somelauw> which is almost similar to removing
2105 [16:02:34] <greycat> (iceweasel in jessie is version 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1 not 44.0.2-1~bpo80+1)
2106 [16:03:06] <Somelauw> right, i was reading the old version
2107 [16:03:13] <greycat> iceweasel 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1 is just a stub that depends on firefox-esr. You can remove iceweasel once firefox-esr has been brought in.
2108 [16:03:18] <rgr> cruncher: totally player dependant and not very helpful sicne the noisy ones chuck out loads anyway. smplayer was my best hope but it just skips through with no menu prompts.
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2111 [16:04:00] <jelly> and if you want firefox (= release track) instead od firefox-esr (= esr track), then I guess you just install it
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2117 [16:04:15] <rgr> inzerestingly "enable dvd menus" doesnt work. which is kind of backwards in 2016.
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2122 [16:05:19] <rgr> "dvd menu support has been removed"
2123 [16:05:26] <Somelauw> maybe now is the time to switch to qutebrowser or something
2124 [16:05:27] <rgr> (smplayer front end for mplayer)
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2126 [16:05:57] <Somelauw> mplayer is old, use mpv instead
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2128 [16:06:17] <rgr> ah, this works. mplayer -mouse-movements -nocache dvdnav://
2129 [16:06:29] <rgr> mplayer is pretty robust and standard.
2130 [16:06:38] <rgr> Ill try mpv though.
2131 [16:07:02] <jelly> it's also not maintained a lot, and neither is mplayer2 fork; mpv seems to have an active upstream
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2134 [16:07:32] <jelly> but they did cut off a lot of features
2135 [16:07:49] * zykotick9 is happy mplayer is returning with stretch
2136 [16:07:55] <jelly> (where's my -vo aalib output)
2137 [16:08:26] <rgr> gnome-mpv doesn't even have a play disk option..... surely not open the dev/dvd/tsvideo type UI?
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2141 [16:09:24] <rgr> if so which file do I actually open to play the DVD?
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2143 [16:10:04] <rgr> (with menus!)
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2145 [16:11:05] <ahri> i'm trying to force mysql to start after remote filesystems have been mounted. i altered /etc/init.d/mysql and appended $remote_fs to both Required-Start and Required-Stop - but when i reboot the machine mysql hasn't started (/var/lib/mysql is a symlink to a remote fs) - have i misunderstood the significance of Required-Start/Stop?
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2147 [16:12:15] <greycat> Storing the actual database files on a remote host sounds incredibly weird to me.
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2149 [16:12:45] <zykotick9> rgr: just so i'm clear on the issue. you can play the dvd's content, but you want/have-issues getting menus?
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2163 [16:16:31] <eSa|> greycat, for me too
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2165 [16:17:18] <greycat> ahri: I'm just a noob in systemd, but it looks like you want to put something like "Requires=remote-fs.target" in the mysql service file. Or, y'know, your version of the service file that you create in /etc/systemd/system/
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2171 [16:18:06] <greycat> Based on replaced-url
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2175 [16:19:26] <ahri> greycat: huh, i don't appear to have any mysql-related file in /etc/systemd/system
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2179 [16:19:49] <greycat> You would have to create it, as I said.
2180 [16:20:04] <rgr> yes. and it missed sections since I cant select them from a menu
2181 [16:20:10] <greycat> You create files in /etc/systemd/system/ which mimic parts of analogous files in /lib/systemd/system/ instead of editing the files in /lib.
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2191 [16:22:52] <ahri> ah, i think i see... interesting
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2198 [16:25:12] <jelly> I think you can override/append just part of default unit definition with a file under /etc/systemd/system/unit-name-here.d/
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2202 [16:26:45] <Somelauw> i upgraded and firefox didn't break, but it's still a memory-hungry monster
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2208 [16:28:13] <greycat> Why are /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service and syslog.service symlinks to files in /lib?
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2213 [16:29:38] <infiniteNOP> Hello people
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2215 [16:30:12] <infiniteNOP> I am trying to get passing a PCI CD burner via xen to a debian 8 vm to work
2216 [16:30:23] <infiniteNOP> *SCSI
2217 [16:30:36] <infiniteNOP> The controller shows up in lspci, but no driver is assigned to it
2218 [16:30:39] <infiniteNOP> Any ideas?
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2220 [16:30:49] <infiniteNOP> (I cannot see the CDROM in /proc/scsi/scsi)
2221 [16:31:22] <infiniteNOP> The controller is Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family 4 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 05)
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2227 [16:33:04] <calimero_82> hi
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2230 [16:33:42] <jelly> infiniteNOP: that does not look like a scsi controller
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2233 [16:34:07] <jelly> the words "SATA" and "IDE" are in there
2234 [16:34:14] <infiniteNOP> jelly, You are right
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2237 [16:34:37] <infiniteNOP> jelly, Yeah, but somehow, my SCSI CDROM cannot be seen from dom0 when I bind it to a domu. So, I assume the CDROM is using some kind of scsi over sata or sth?
2238 [16:34:52] <calimero_82> do u know how to create win usb for boot? i've tried unetbootin and then dd command but nothing, any idea? i use debian 8 thanks
2239 [16:34:59] <infiniteNOP> Why did I just get a /NOTICE?
2240 [16:35:07] <infiniteNOP> -Enchanted- please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel.
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2242 [16:35:47] <infiniteNOP> Anyway, when I assign this device to a vm, the CDROM disappears from /proc/scsi/scsi, so
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2244 [16:36:15] <nixhed> anyone got debian on macbook pro going?
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2246 [16:36:38] <blind> got it on an air here
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2248 [16:37:00] <nixhed> blind: anything NOT working?
2249 [16:37:05] <NoImNotNineVolt> got it on a macbook pro in virtualbox :P
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2253 [16:37:24] <calimero_82> any idea?
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2255 [16:37:46] <blind> the only thing i had to futz with was a forked trackpad driver to make all the fancy apple gestures register as their own mouse buttons. everything else worked out of the box
2256 [16:37:49] <nixhed> NoImNotNineVolt: I have it in vmware fusion and on ESXi host (that's where I'm irc'ing from now).
2257 [16:37:54] <blind> so to speak
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2260 [16:38:18] <nixhed> what's the trick to booting? Third party boot manger ReFIT or something?
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2262 [16:38:33] <blind> I use rEFInd
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2265 [16:39:27] <nixhed> blind: gotcha thx.
2266 [16:39:37] <nixhed> That will be my weekend project perhaps.
2267 [16:39:41] <rgr> refind is great.
2268 [16:39:54] <calimero_82> anyone can help me?
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2271 [16:40:36] <jelly> calimero_82: you probably want to ask in ##windows
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2277 [16:41:07] <jelly> calimero_82: I'm assuming you're asking "how I do create a bootable windows installation from windows .iso, using a linux tool"
2278 [16:41:19] <nixhed> calimero_82: you could look to Cygwin tools and just use dd I would think.
2279 [16:42:14] <teraflops> calimero_82: use replaced-url
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2281 [16:42:59] <teraflops> calimero_82: ah wait you want to make a windows bootable usb from linux?
2282 [16:43:06] <calimero_82> guys i've used dd but nothing, doesnt work
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2284 [16:43:13] <calimero_82> and also unetbootin
2285 [16:43:26] <greycat> calimero_82: what OS are you running currently, and what are you trying to do?
2286 [16:43:37] <calimero_82> i'm using debian 8 lxde
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2288 [16:43:49] <calimero_82> i want create windows xp on usb
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2292 [16:44:14] <greycat> Well, the hard part is acquiring a bootable Windows XP image.
2293 [16:44:29] <babilen> They exist?
2294 [16:44:32] <calimero_82> i've windows xp iso
2295 [16:44:33] <greycat> I have no idea.
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2298 [16:44:51] * TomTomTo1 squints at win32diskimager linked above
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2300 [16:44:52] <teraflops> calimero_82: for creating a windows bootable usb from linux replaced-url
2301 [16:44:54] <calimero_82> instead of dvd i want use usb
2302 [16:44:56] <babilen> calimero_82: You might want to ask in ##windows if they provide live CDs, but AFAIK that doesn't exist
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2308 [16:45:38] <greycat> I'm pretty sure it would not be legal to supply a bootable XP image unless you are Microsoft.
2309 [16:45:40] <calimero_82> nono i don't want install windows on usb only create bootable disk on usb
2310 [16:45:48] <babilen> teraflops: I don't think it is about writing images from windows or linux, but about creating a "Windows XP" live USB with persistence
2311 [16:45:55] <nixhed> if the iso is bootable and the usb is already mbr and active with the boot flag...I would think just a dd from iso to usb would work doesn't it?
2312 [16:45:58] <babilen> calimero_82: To boot what?
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2314 [16:46:07] <calimero_82> sorry for my english
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2316 [16:46:12] <teraflops> babilen: oh I misread then
2317 [16:46:13] <babilen> What do you want to boot?
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2319 [16:46:18] <babilen> teraflops: Apparently I did
2320 [16:46:24] <babilen> (or not yet sure)
2321 [16:46:33] <calimero_82> i explain better
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2323 [16:46:36] <teraflops> neither do I
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2327 [16:47:28] <greycat> In any event, #debian is not the place to figure out how to create a bootable Windows XP image.
2328 [16:47:28] <calimero_82> i don't want install windows xp on usb like debian live i want only make bootable usb with windows to install with the usb pen in a pc, right?
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2330 [16:47:52] <babilen> calimero_82: But you want to install Windows?
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2333 [16:48:01] <greycat> If you HAVE such an image, from an alien or from a supernatural being or whatever, then use dd to write it to the medium.
2334 [16:48:03] <teraflops> calimero_82: right, from debian?
2335 [16:48:20] <calimero_82> yes, i'm using debian 8 lxe
2336 [16:48:23] <calimero_82> lxde
2337 [16:48:24] <teraflops> replaced-url
2338 [16:48:29] <babilen> And you want to install Windows from USB?
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2341 [16:48:37] <HarveyPwca> Has anyone tried this: Install Windows to a blank hard drive. Then, fiddle with the Windows registry settings so that they correspond to the usb stick size desired. Make an image of the drive with the new settings.
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2344 [16:49:18] <HarveyPwca> Obviously you'd want the hard drive installed to to be partitioned to be sized similarly to the usb stick.
2345 [16:49:43] <babilen> calimero_82: There are no Windows USB images provided by Microsoft as far as I know and this isn't the right channel to ask about that. Try ##windows, but I guess that you're stuck with DVDs
2346 [16:49:46] <HarveyPwca> I'm not saying this word work. I'm suggesting it's worth a DIY fiddle.
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2349 [16:50:04] <teraflops> calimero_82: if you pick debian 7/8/10 with UEFI is way easier
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2351 [16:50:13] <teraflops> s/debian/windows
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2358 [16:51:13] <calimero_82> nono this pc is old, acer 3630 with the sis vga driver, the trash for vga :( isn't usable with linux kernel
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2361 [16:51:34] <Captain_Sifff> Hi all has anybody an idea how I can enforce that the password is not left empty if I create a new user in phpldapadmin?
2362 [16:51:37] <HarveyPwca> babilen: Quite correct that this is #debian not #windows. However, there's no harm in making a suggestion and then letting it go. No lengthy discussion, just a idear and then a pointer toward #windows or wherever.
2363 [16:51:48] <greycat> It may work with an older Debian release. Current Debian has dropped support for some very very old video hardware that used to work in, say, squeeze.
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2365 [16:51:56] <teraflops> Captain_Sifff: you don't have a cd/dvd reader/writer?
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2367 [16:52:15] <teraflops> calimero_82: ^sorry
2368 [16:52:27] <calimero_82> no greycat, the video doesn't work well, the problem is sis
2369 [16:52:36] <greycat> Sorry to hear that.
2370 [16:52:41] <Captain_Sifff> Sorry, the X1 Carbon has none...
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2372 [16:53:14] <calimero_82> so, thanks guys, i go to buy dvd
2373 [16:53:26] <calimero_82> thanks, good evening
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2382 [16:54:58] <infiniteNOP> echo: write error: No such device
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2384 [16:55:09] <jelly> calimero_82: apparently that "winusb" thing is supposed to work for windows 7 and 10, not sure about xp
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2456 [17:19:51] <jhutchins> He never did say what command he was actually using, just "dd didn't work".
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2458 [17:20:23] <zinx> jhutchins: because what more information do you ever need than "didn't work".
2459 [17:20:42] <jhutchins> zinx: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
2460 [17:21:11] <jhutchins> zinx: Full syntax of the command used. Did he dd file.iso /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda?
2461 [17:21:32] <jhutchins> zinx: Did the dd command fail, or did the resulting device fail? If so, how?
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2468 [17:23:54] <babilen> I think that zinx was hinting at the fact that "didn't work" is not enough information
2469 [17:24:40] <greycat> jhutchins: your sarcasm detector is broken.
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2535 [17:54:48] <jhutchins> greycat: My pedantry is going strong though.
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2538 [17:55:54] <jhutchins> I wonder if one could grab the source for one of the older X drivers and successfully build it for the current engine?
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2586 [18:09:43] <cdb23ax> hello i need to copy a database without starting debian to another debian host
2587 [18:10:06] <buu> yay
2588 [18:10:10] <cdb23ax> i copied the .frm files from /var/lib/mysql/my_db to the new debian host
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2590 [18:10:36] <cdb23ax> i opened phpmyadmin and iam able to see the tables from the old db but it says it cannot find table xyz
2591 [18:10:43] <buu> i suggest asking #mysql
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2609 [18:17:46] <Amun_Ra> cdb23ax: neve copy db by files
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2611 [18:18:09] <cdb23ax> Amun_Ra: i dont have other possibilities the server wont boot anymore
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2613 [18:18:21] <cdb23ax> i can only access the files
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2615 [18:19:05] <Amun_Ra> cdb23ax: guess what's in /var/lib/mysql/idbdata1
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2619 [18:20:20] <Amun_Ra> ibdata1*
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2622 [18:21:55] <Amun_Ra> cdb23ax: copy all /var/lib/mysql contents
2623 [18:22:35] <ripero> after a dist-upgrade, thanks to whirm's advice, I now can load grub in my windows/debian system (I created a UEFI entry from the BIOS which loads the .efi file in the debian folder of the MBR)
2624 [18:22:35] <ripero> however, the debian boot sequence never completes, and I can't find why; could anyone provide some help?
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2631 [18:24:06] <cdb23ax> Amun_Ra: thank you ill try it
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2642 [18:27:29] <Amun_Ra> cdb23ax: (that's because ibdata1 contains innodb tables metadata (among others))
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2645 [18:28:36] <jhutchins> ripero: How far does it get? What does it actually do?
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2650 [18:29:56] <ripero> jhutchins: I have OK's for "Started Gnome Desktop Manager", "Reached target Graphical Interface", and "Reached target Multi-User System"
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2653 [18:30:10] <ripero> the last OK is for "Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes"
2654 [18:30:38] <ripero> but I don't get any gdm login window or terminal
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2657 [18:32:02] <ripero> plus, it is not as fast as usual
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2661 [18:33:39] <cdb23ax> Amun_Ra: well it works after i did a very bad thing chmod 777 -R /var/lib/mysql
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2665 [18:34:47] <Amun_Ra> cdb23ax: revert it and chown -R mysql. /var/lib/mysql
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2712 [18:45:55] <donald> hi
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2716 [18:47:30] <donald> dans quel dossier je dois ranger deb replaced-url
2717 [18:47:32] <donald> ?
2718 [18:47:35] <greycat> !fr
2719 [18:47:36] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
2720 [18:47:59] <donald> In what folder I have to move deb replaced-url
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2723 [18:48:26] <donald> in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/soft.list?
2724 [18:48:45] <greycat> I don't understand what you're asking. Maybe you'd better try #debianfr.
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2727 [18:49:15] <donald> greycat I speak of the repositories
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2729 [18:49:26] <greycat> What are you trying to do to them?
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2731 [18:50:01] <donald> where do I have to put the content deb replaced-url
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2733 [18:50:29] <greycat> You can't just make up a line with the word "repositories" in it and expect it to work.
2734 [18:50:54] <donald> no
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2736 [18:51:08] <donald> I will replace repository by the name of the repository
2737 [18:51:26] <greycat> If you have an ACTUAL line that you want to add, which for some reason is SO SECRET that you can't tell us what it says, then you can either add it in /etc/apt/sources.list -or- you can create a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and put it there.
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2740 [18:52:06] <donald> great answer
2741 [18:52:21] <greycat> !dontbreakdebian
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2743 [18:52:22] <dpkg> dont break debian is probably replaced-url
2744 [18:52:35] <greycat> Adding repositories is usually the first step in breaking Debian.
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2747 [18:52:46] <donald> how does my file in/etc/apt/sources.list.d looks like?
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2749 [18:52:55] <greycat> Just like /etc/apt/sources.list
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2751 [18:52:57] <donald> !do not break your life
2752 [18:52:57] * dpkg eagerly does not break your life
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2773 [18:59:06] <donald> !checkbackport
2774 [18:59:15] <donald> stupid bot
2775 [18:59:17] <donald> checkbackport
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2778 [18:59:47] <greycat> ,checkbackport apt
2779 [18:59:51] <judd> Backporting package apt in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: liblz4-dev (>= 0.0~r126).
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2790 [19:00:56] <FinalX> does anyhow have libapache2-mod-rpaf actually functional on jessie? it's ooooooooold and doesn't seem to work with Apache 2.4. it loads, but doesn't actually get/set the IP.
2791 [19:01:02] <FinalX> (works fine on wheezy, same 0.6)
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2797 [19:01:54] <FinalX> puppet's apache module also relies on that package, else I'd install my own packaged 0.8+ that /does/ work..
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2807 [19:05:07] <greycat> FinalX: there is only one open bug on libapache2-mod-rpaf and it doesn't *exactly* match your question, but it strongly points to the module being abandoned upstream and recommends some other module.
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2812 [19:06:22] <FinalX> yeah, someone "rebooted" the project, his new module doesn't have packages in debian (or ubuntu), works great (the 0.8 I talked about) and has added features I'd also like, but other things are keeping me down, too. Bit of a shame the module made it in if it doesn't do what it's made for :)
2813 [19:06:54] <FinalX> problem is that the rebooted version also has non-backwards-compatible config directives.. :|
2814 [19:07:44] <FinalX> hmmm
2815 [19:07:51] <FinalX> I do have it working in another container *argh*
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2817 [19:08:12] <greycat> Apache is just more and more of a nightmare every release.
2818 [19:08:22] <FinalX> maybe it conflicts with another module.. I'll try debug it again later.. been trying half the afternoon
2819 [19:08:25] <FinalX> yeah...
2820 [19:08:47] <FinalX> I'm a bit nginx fan myself and whole-heartedly recommend it to anyone, but I'm stuck with Apache for customers with 10+ year old websites
2821 [19:08:51] <FinalX> big*
2822 [19:09:09] <greycat> I see.
2823 [19:09:30] <FinalX> I wrote a front-end LUA-based proxy in nginx, in front of a bunch of containers that run different distribution versions (debian and ubuntu mixed), with different Apache and PHP versions.
2824 [19:10:16] <FinalX> So that we can move customers to newer distro versions more easily, and not have to move all at once :).. plus they can now choose what backend they want
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2826 [19:10:55] <FinalX> ...but rpaf is a big part of that, else acl's in .htaccess/php-scripts etc won't work, logging gets borked, and all that
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2830 [19:11:45] <vegardx> Nginx is for when you want to do everything yourself.
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2832 [19:12:05] <FinalX> and Apache is for when you don't want anything :)
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2835 [19:12:22] <vegardx> Just respond to abuse requests!
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2837 [19:12:42] <FinalX> don't talk to me about abuse... the malware we see... pffff :)
2838 [19:13:02] <vegardx> location = /xml-rpc.php { return 444; }
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2840 [19:13:18] <FinalX> ..and /wp-admin, and more
2841 [19:13:34] <FinalX> or rather, allow certain ranges and 404 for the rest
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2843 [19:13:58] <vegardx> The problem is always developers who don't understand that mod_php is shitty, and if they just used proper routing everything would be all nice and dandy.
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2845 [19:14:26] <vegardx> Not just a clusterfuck of PHP-files directly accessed. *shivers*
2846 [19:14:37] <FinalX> hehe
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2848 [19:15:34] <FinalX> hosted a talk on webhosting abuse with a coworker on FIAT 2016 here in .nl a few months ago
2849 [19:15:40] <vegardx> "I can't execute a script in wp-uploads, what is wrong?" -> "nothing wrong, that is intentional, remove those plugins and themes if you want to survive for five minutes"
2850 [19:15:53] <vegardx> Cool!
2851 [19:16:10] <FinalX> well, having write-access or not can have both advantages and disadvantages
2852 [19:16:15] <vegardx> It's kinda shame, supposedly Apache 2.6 is sort of nice, but I've long since abondoned ship.
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2854 [19:16:49] <FinalX> I've been using Apache since before I started working here, which is next month 15 years. nginx I've been using for quite a few years now, and I've never been hapier.
2855 [19:16:52] <FinalX> +p
2856 [19:16:52] <vegardx> Yeah, you can have it self upgrade. But that also means that basically any exploit can live anywhere in your code.
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2858 [19:16:58] <FinalX> both have advantages and disadvantages
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2860 [19:17:12] <vegardx> Yeah, definitively.
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2863 [19:17:38] <vegardx> Ease of use and flexibility vs. security and performance
2864 [19:17:39] <FinalX> yeah, we accept that, though, people want to manage their own stuff, and auto-updated CMS's like WordPress can outweigh the risk of never-patched CMS's like Joomla
2865 [19:18:01] <FinalX> getting a call from the Israelian embassy if we can please stop the 900mbit DDoS coming their way from a pwned Joomla site is not really what you want :)
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2868 [19:18:19] <vegardx> If only the plugins and themes people used were any good at updating, that is often the real issue. Not that often there is a remote exploit to core.
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2871 [19:18:46] <vegardx> DDoSing Israelis, sounds dangerous!
2872 [19:19:14] <FinalX> our customers have a seperate user for their webhosting product and the website runs as that user. with write-access. CGI as well. we monitor malware and exploitable stuff with a scanner I wrote myself as well, and also outdated CMS's.
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2874 [19:19:46] <FinalX> Joomla is the nr 1 pain in the ass because it doesn't auto-update (author was highly against it), and upgrading is nearly impossible to do as well... so people just don't.
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2879 [19:20:00] <vegardx> It's just frustrating to see how much could have been mitigated with proper premission and routing.
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2881 [19:20:10] <vegardx> Yeah, Joomla is a joke around here.
2882 [19:20:17] <FinalX> ...aside from the cringing SQL-queries it does... reads the jos_content table fully twice for just 1 page load... some customers have > 1 GB data in it..
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2885 [19:20:30] <strncat> does this channel have regulars
2886 [19:20:38] <strncat> it reads like a clusterfuck
2887 [19:20:52] <vegardx> strncat: On a cosmic timescale? No.
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2889 [19:21:38] <greycat> This is a very laid-back, low volume channel compared to 10-15 years ago.
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2945 [19:44:05] <H4ndy> who cares about "regulars"? Do they do anything better?
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2950 [19:45:27] <unborn> greycat: I think that is due to the fact debian becomes really great and simplish ;)
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2956 [19:46:02] <greycat> I attribute it to (1) the split of #debian between Freenode and OFTC, and (2) the rise of Debian-based derivative OSs.
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2960 [19:48:55] <unborn> yeah derivatives.. I used two years ubuntu before switching debian..i know what you mean
2961 [19:49:21] <unborn> *partly ubuntu and partly debian
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2964 [19:49:50] <goobsly> Hi, so I'm having an issue with getting something to start up on boot.
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2967 [19:51:15] <goobsly> its a bin file, not a .sh
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3075 [20:35:11] <Twinkletoes> I'm running Webmin/Virtualmin on top of Debian 8 but I don't think this is a debian problem. When I try to add another DNS server to the cluster (previously configured for SSL access only), it fails with the message " Invalid SSL certificate : Certificate is signed by an unknown CA : /C=US/O=GeoTrust Inc./CN=RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G3 (code 27)". When I check out the server with the online SSL...
3076 [20:35:13] <Twinkletoes> ...checker from GeoCerts, it says it's all OK.
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3080 [20:37:49] <Wardem> 0
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3087 [20:41:12] <unborn> Twinkletoes: Twinkletoes where did you checked your cert?
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3090 [20:41:37] <sprakk> is gcc-doc supposed to be available from jessie contrib ?
3091 [20:41:38] <unborn> ah I see
3092 [20:41:46] <Twinkletoes> unborn: replaced-url
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3098 [20:43:15] <frikinz> sprakk: apt-cache policy gcc-doc seems to say so
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3108 [20:46:30] <sprakk> frikinz: I have this in my sources.list: deb replaced-url
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3114 [20:47:35] <somiaj> sprakk: did you run apt-get update after you added non-free?
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3116 [20:48:45] <sprakk> frikinz: thanks, that fixed it
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3122 [20:53:26] <ripero> my boot sequence stops at "Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes", what can I do?
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3132 [20:57:57] <frikinz> ripero: graphics driver problem?
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3136 [20:59:31] <ripero> frikinz: I don't know, how could I find out / fix it?
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3138 [20:59:53] <LtL> ripero: did you change any system rn level setting, systemd, or /etc/init.d/ ?
3139 [21:00:00] <LtL> *run
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3146 [21:02:51] <ripero> LtL: not knowingly
3147 [21:02:53] <jhutchins> Why would anyone create, let alone use, an incompatible option for tar? replaced-url
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3149 [21:03:12] <greycat> Tar isn't a standard utility. Every version of tar is different.
3150 [21:03:27] <greycat> POSIX doesn't specify either tar or cpio. It threw 'em both away and created pax instead.
3151 [21:03:29] <jhutchins> greycat: Yeah, but they're all compatible, or mostly they are.
3152 [21:03:35] <greycat> HAHAHAHAHA
3153 [21:03:52] <jhutchins> greycat: tar is supposed to be a portable archive format.
3154 [21:04:09] <greycat> Are we talking about the archive format, or the command that writes the archives?
3155 [21:04:30] <jhutchins> greycat: You can't necessarily do the exact same thing in the same way, but you should be able to create a tarball on anything and open it on anything.
3156 [21:04:34] <greycat> There are several different archive formats, and most tar implementations can read 2-3 of them.
3157 [21:04:49] <jhutchins> Right, and they use those 2-3 by default.
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3159 [21:05:04] <ripero> this is a stretch system upgraded from jessie, I had systemd vs sysvinit problems at some point, but I hoped they were over...
3160 [21:05:05] <greycat> You said "incompatible option". What option are you talking about?
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3164 [21:05:37] <jhutchins> I don't know for sure, but the above article says you have to have tar v.1.29.
3165 [21:05:50] <greycat> Sounds like an article written by a Linux idiot.
3166 [21:06:14] <greycat> Does the domain name also have "linux" in it?
3167 [21:06:35] <jhutchins> debian
3168 [21:06:50] <jhutchins> Debian wiki on Nvidia drivers.
3169 [21:06:52] <DHowett> the funny thing is that we are in a channel by the same name ;P
3170 [21:06:59] <greycat> Oh, debian wiki. Then we assume it's only applicable to debian. So that's fine.
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3174 [21:07:40] <jhutchins> I guess it's probably not a tarball format but how the script uses tar that's incompatible with earlier versions. Still.
3175 [21:07:43] * greycat finds the URL and opens the page and reads what it ACTUALLY says, instead of what jhutchins says
3176 [21:07:50] <ripero> LtL: in the boot menu I have three entries per kernel, the second is "(sysvinit)" and the third one is (recovery mode); I can only get some kind of terminal through the sysvinit one
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3178 [21:07:53] <greycat> "NOTE: to use get-orig-source you'll need tar version 1.29 or higher"
3179 [21:07:57] <LtL> ripero: well the problem seems to be with run level settings, boot into safe mode and check /etc/rc* for disabled services. i can't imagine what else is causing that. What version of debian?
3180 [21:08:04] <jhutchins> Debian should be compatible with debian.
3181 [21:08:19] <greycat> Reading up, "get-orig-source" is an option passed to the command "debian/rules"
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3183 [21:08:31] <greycat> So we'd have to open up a debian/rules file and find out what that target does
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3186 [21:09:13] <ripero> LtL: stretch, upgraded from jessie
3187 [21:09:14] <jhutchins> greycat: Yeah, like I said, probably a new option they're using in a script-like-thing.
3188 [21:09:47] <LtL> ripero: #debian-next on oftc.net for unstable support
3189 [21:10:27] <LtL> ripero: try booting another kernel
3190 [21:10:40] <ripero> LtL: also testing?
3191 [21:10:53] <LtL> ripero: yes
3192 [21:11:21] <ripero> LtL: I've tried two kernels, both as unsuccessful so far
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3194 [21:11:30] <ripero> LtL: thank you for your help!
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3196 [21:11:48] <LtL> ripero: something sounds scrambled somehow
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3199 [21:12:25] <ripero> LtL: I wonder if there's a clean way to completely remove sysvinit and leave systemd properly working
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3204 [21:13:10] <greycat> Dunno about testing/unstable, but jessie still has many packages that don't have systemd unit files. So it relies on the fallback to sysvinit scripts.
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3206 [21:13:26] <LtL> ripero: i haven't tried it, but i would say most likely yes
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3208 [21:13:39] <jhutchins> ripero: Yes, you can do that, but there are a number of packages that haven't been updated to use systemd yet, and if you remove the sysv utils you may have to build your own start scripts and such.
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3210 [21:14:05] * jhutchins wonders if systemd can restart MySQL yet...
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3213 [21:15:52] <ripero> jhutchins: it's mostly a home / fortran / latex laptop, no AMP or similar
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3216 [21:16:49] <jhutchins> ripero: So clone it (so you have a working computer if it breaks, dual boot it, and play around.
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3218 [21:17:25] <jhutchins> ripero: Fedora is probably the furthest down the systemd path, mint is doing pretty well and documenting things well.
3219 [21:18:01] <jhutchins> ripero: I'd do a lot of reading before I tried that myself.
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3223 [21:19:00] <ripero> jhutchins: ok... so debian is living in a mix, now?
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3230 [21:19:43] <greycat> You could call it that.
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3245 [21:27:05] <ripero1> Is #debian-next always this quiet?...
3246 [21:27:21] <greycat> Never been there. Dunno.
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3281 [21:40:46] <dankeast> hey all. i've recently noticed i occasionally get corrupted characters: replaced-url
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3285 [21:41:14] <dankeast> not even sure where i should start looking
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3295 [21:45:06] <chrislamp> hello all! How can I flush bash!_history without quiting the bash? thank you
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3297 [21:45:29] <LtL> chrislamp: rm ~/.bash_history
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3300 [21:45:35] <greycat> history -a
3301 [21:45:51] <greycat> LtL: ... different interpretations of flush.
3302 [21:46:12] <LtL> greycat: i see that :)
3303 [21:46:34] <FinalX> if you rm ~/.bash_history, the history of your running bash will still be written out to ~/.bash_history when you exit it
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3305 [21:46:48] <greycat> correct
3306 [21:46:57] <chrislamp> no let me put it another way
3307 [21:47:04] <greycat> assuming you didn't mess with any of the history variables
3308 [21:47:06] <FinalX> if you want to be thorough, history -a; truncate -s0 ~/.bash_history
3309 [21:47:06] <FinalX> :)
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3311 [21:47:38] <nwe> how should I do to download a file via tftp in preseed (in-target) ?
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3315 [21:48:45] <chrislamp> I am root and there is also user1 logged in in the server.
3316 [21:48:45] <chrislamp> ~user1/.bash_history does not contains the "buffered" commands
3317 [21:48:45] <chrislamp> i want to flush user1 history so to read it
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3319 [21:50:28] <greycat> Find where the user is sitting. Walk there. Grab the keyboard from the user's hands. Type "history -a". Walk away.
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3322 [21:51:20] <chrislamp> many thanks guys to all of you!! i will try
3323 [21:51:21] <SpeedyG> don't forget "Smack him over the head with the keyboard" before typing history -a ;)
3324 [21:51:28] <FinalX> hehe
3325 [21:51:34] <greycat> No, type first, smack later. In case you break the keyboard.
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3327 [21:51:43] <SpeedyG> good point :)
3328 [21:51:45] <LtL> perfect!
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3346 [21:55:47] <FinalX> I said earlier that RPAF wasn't working in jessie, that's not entirely true, it does, just doesn't pass them on to PHP running as FastCGI
3347 [21:56:29] <FinalX> right IP does show up in logs and is accepted for ACL, on wheezy it _does_ work with PHP because it's Apache 2.2... guess the rpaf module wasn't really checked for 2.4 before it made it into jessie
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3351 [21:57:34] <jmcnaught> FinalX: is that with mod_fastcgi?
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3364 [21:59:52] <jmcnaught> i'm not familiar with RPAF but Apache 2.4 in Jessie has mod_proxy_fcgi
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3374 [22:02:48] <FinalX> jmcnaught: with libapache2-mod-fcgid
3375 [22:03:03] <FinalX> anyhow, dinner ready, bbl :)
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3393 [22:09:12] <jmcnaught> FinalX: with apache 2.4 i've switched from using mod-fcgid (never used mod_fastcgi) to using the fastcgi support in mod_proxy. not sure if it help for your problem but worth a look
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3409 [22:14:28] <toruvinn> FinalX, i wouldn't use fcgi with apache in jessie tbh, i was running into that A LOT: replaced-url
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3421 [22:16:44] <toruvinn> Whiskey, are you at least 12yo? ;-)
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3444 [22:26:57] <jhutchins> ,v snapd
3445 [22:26:58] <judd> Package: snapd on amd64 -- sid: 2.0.8+1
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3483 [22:46:42] <ripero1> #debian-next went quiet on my query, if anyone would like to have a look at a journalctl output and try to see what is wrong it would be much appreciated: replaced-url
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3488 [22:47:35] <shann_> Hi, can you mix pybuild and make command in rules file ?
3489 [22:48:00] <greycat> You mean in debian/rules? What does the first line of the file say?
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3495 [22:48:53] <shann_> greycat: yes debian/rules, my package is python with setup.py, but also i need to build doc (in docs folder with Makefile)
3496 [22:49:20] <greycat> I would copy what other python packages do.
3497 [22:49:32] <greycat> Find a nice simple one....
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3499 [22:51:47] <shann_> greycat: this is my debian/rules file (replaced-url
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3504 [22:52:06] <greycat> Does the first line say "#!/usr/bin/make -f" ?
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3509 [22:53:07] <Crypto0> hello , im using kali linux and i want to install tor browser on it but i cant its said : tor browser should not be installed on root .. how can i solve it ?
3510 [22:53:13] <greycat> We don't support Kali.
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3513 [22:53:42] <Jaro> I need to apologize to someone and i forget who the name is
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3516 [22:54:54] <shann_> greycat: replaced-url
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3518 [22:55:04] <Jaro> I came in here a few weeks having trouble installing steam
3519 [22:55:17] <greycat> I am not asking you to paste URLs at me. I am asking you to READ the FIRST LINE of the file and understand what it means.
3520 [22:55:20] <Jaro> I think this person is an op, who told me that i needed to install the 32 bit library from backports contrary to what the wiki said
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3522 [22:55:33] <Jaro> i can't remember his name and would like to apologize to him because he was correct
3523 [22:55:48] <greycat> The first line of a script, such as debian/rules, is called a "shebang". It tells what interpreter to launch to read the file, when you try to execute it as a program.
3524 [22:55:51] <Jaro> also I think those instructions should be fixed, cause otherwise noobs like me remove their whole desktop trying to install it
3525 [22:56:11] <shann_> greycat ok sorry :)
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3528 [22:56:23] <greycat> If your debian/rules file has a shebang of "#!/usr/bin/make -f" that means it is interpreted by /usr/bin/make, so you have to write it as a Makefile.
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3531 [22:56:52] <TomTomTosch> Jaro: me thinks that was somiaj, but you can look through the logs /msg dpkg irclog
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3534 [22:57:18] <Jaro> TomTomTosch, i think you are right I will personally apologize to him for my behavior
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3542 [22:58:29] <jmcnaught> Jaro: you can make the correction on the wiki too. replaced-url
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3545 [22:58:53] <Jaro> jmcnaught, i don't know if its nescessarily a question. but maybe add to that warning
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3547 [22:59:15] <greycat> It can be difficult to write instructions that work correctly for more than one person.
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3549 [22:59:22] <Jaro> the wiki for installing the nvidia drivers says to use the backports. but when installing the 32 lib for steam, you have to use the backports for that as well, or else you accidentally remove your whole desktop lol
3550 [22:59:45] <Jaro> I almost did same thing again this time, but this time i read first and hit no. and then did what somiaj had orginally suggested and install it from the backports
3551 [22:59:56] <TomTomTosch> well... it's not like apt doesn't warn you.
3552 [23:00:04] <Jaro> lol true
3553 [23:00:27] <Jaro> but maybe a warning should be, that if you installed you vid drivers from backports, when you install 32bit lib also use backports. for noobies like me.
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3559 [23:02:20] <Jaro> anyways i'm breathing a sigh of relief being back on debian. I been hopping around every distro testing steam. And i gotta say, debian feels so much safer.
3560 [23:03:13] <edoardo> I'm using Steam on Debian and it runs really good
3561 [23:03:18] <Jaro> cool
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3564 [23:03:36] <Jaro> its ironic that steam officially support ubuntu, but ubuntu unity ran it the worst for me lol
3565 [23:03:41] <edoardo> I found also debian to be a nice environment to use windows software with wine
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3567 [23:03:53] <Jaro> edoardo, what de do you prefer i'm on kde right now.
3568 [23:04:01] <edoardo> I use xfce
3569 [23:04:08] <Jaro> oh nice i use xfce on my laptop
3570 [23:04:31] <Jaro> i notice the newer kde's is very buggy. its great to see no screen tearing of flickering using debians kde lol
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3573 [23:05:20] <TomTomTosch> steam officially supports ubuntu? steam os is afaik based on debian.
3574 [23:05:40] <Jaro> TomTomTosch, ya lol
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3576 [23:07:01] <Jaro> TomTomTosch, and ubuntu runs it the poorest prolly cause of unity which is horrible imo.
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3580 [23:07:20] <Jaro> TomTomTosch, and the bloat.
3581 [23:07:22] <shann_> greycat: i not that how build doc in same rules file to build python app.
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3583 [23:07:28] <kejsi564> hello
3584 [23:07:35] <kejsi564> hi markybob
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3587 [23:08:06] <greycat> shann_: just find some other python package and copy how they do things. A Makefile is basically a list of Bourne shell commands indented with tabs.
3588 [23:08:12] <kejsi564> I have this huge bad resolution, it seems like debain is not detecting the video card
3589 [23:08:16] <greycat> Just have to change $ and some other things.
3590 [23:08:26] <kejsi564> what should i do in order to fix this problem
3591 [23:08:35] <kejsi564> i did install the fresh updates
3592 [23:08:44] <kejsi564> but it did not fix the problem
3593 [23:08:49] <jhutchins> kejsi564: Find out what video driver xorg is using.
3594 [23:09:05] <shann_> greycat: ok i search this
3595 [23:09:06] <kejsi564> what is the command line for this ?
3596 [23:09:07] <jhutchins> kejsi564: Find out what video driver is available for your chipset.
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3599 [23:09:47] <jhutchins> kejsi564: I would start with lspci -nn to determine the chipset, then do some googling to see how it's supported.
3600 [23:09:56] <kejsi564> ok
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3605 [23:12:18] <kejsi564> jhutchins this is what i have replaced-url
3606 [23:12:23] <kejsi564> i dont see it
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3609 [23:14:00] <jhutchins> kejsi564: Line two.
3610 [23:14:12] <jhutchins> kejsi564: You can pipe that through grep -i vga
3611 [23:14:26] <MasonHauk> Hi #debian I have a question???? Im following replaced-url
3612 [23:14:28] <MasonHauk> | switch remote to HDMI input device or do I need two screen? and actully will that work just black listing the PCI stub for one card to make the other stubs for linux?
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3614 [23:14:46] <jhutchins> ,pciid 1002:9807
3615 [23:14:47] <judd> [1002:9807] is 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also replaced-url
3616 [23:15:09] <jhutchins> !radeon
3617 [23:15:10] <dpkg> Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (replaced-url
3618 [23:15:38] <laidback_01> hey, I've got a goofy issue with https link assocaitions. I have a java app - Tibco Jaspersoft studio, and when I click it's "help" or "learn more" links, it attempts to open the link in KimageMapEditor
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3621 [23:16:17] <laidback_01> now, I'm sure I managed to do this somewhere along the line... but, where o where is the 'Association Editor' ? So I can make URIs associate to Chrome or FF
3622 [23:16:19] <laidback_01> thanks
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3628 [23:17:25] <Jaro> cs:go running good
3629 [23:17:44] <Jaro> I was wondering does debian have any premade apparmor profile for a web browser yet?
3630 [23:17:46] <kejsi564> jhutchins after pasting grep -i vga its not doing anything
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3635 [23:19:48] <jhutchins> kejsi564: THat would be lspci | grep -i vga, but you don't need to, it's line 2 of your paste, and information about your card is shown above by dpkg and judd. To investigate the terms in angle brackets from dpkg, /msg dpkg <whatever>.
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3638 [23:20:56] <jhutchins> kejsi564: If you want to install the ATI driver you WILL need to read the directions.
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3641 [23:21:30] <kejsi564> thanks i will work on this in a little bit
3642 [23:21:38] <kejsi564> i need to do something be back later
3643 [23:21:46] <laidback_01> default applications was it.
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3685 [23:35:54] <Jaro> can't believe how smooth debian desktop runs, every other distro is buggy as all hell
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3687 [23:36:28] <jhutchins> Jaro: Depends on a lot of factors, I'm glad Debian's working for you.
3688 [23:37:00] <jhutchins> Jaro: Remember most distros share most of the same code.
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3691 [23:37:32] <Jaro> jhutchins, well alot oare bleeding edge and bloated I guess is the problem
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3694 [23:39:10] <Jaro> there was issues with all of them, buggy kernels, buggy drivers, buggy desktops. i coudlnt' even verify iso sigs at times. it was nuts.
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3718 [23:47:06] <benklop> afternoon
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3722 [23:47:41] <dionysus69> heard of snaps yet? is it serious business?
3723 [23:47:44] <benklop> when doing a google search that results in pages from manpages.debian.org, the page title seems to contain 'New Ray Ban Sunglasses RB2132 Col Black Polarized'
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3725 [23:47:49] <benklop> is this somehow intentional?
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3731 [23:48:30] <benklop> replaced-url
3732 [23:48:32] <markybob> dionysus69: it's serious enough. it's in sid.
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3754 [23:58:13] <bipul> Hello
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