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1 [00:00:37] <cbug> unborn: no, there is none, neigther nor.
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3 [00:01:03] <i5513> mmm graphical.target have exim4 as dependency
4 [00:01:13] <i5513> sudo systemctl list-dependencies exim4 --reverse
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6 [00:01:48] <somiaj> i5513: why do you want to disable exim? What are you trying to get out of this (lots of things, though far less now than time past) assume the machine can at least deliver local mail.
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10 [00:02:18] <i5513> so it will start it having exim4 masked
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12 [00:02:24] <i5513> ?
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15 [00:02:49] <somiaj> i5513: there is a systemd channel that better knows. I thought mask would prevent things from starting it, but maybe only hooks, not dependencies
16 [00:02:58] <ryouma> stonerfish: no
17 [00:02:59] <somiaj> i5513: but what is your end goal, why don't you want exim running at boot?
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19 [00:03:14] <ryouma> stonerfish: it obviously depends on the monitor
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21 [00:03:25] <i5513> my boot is very slow, I have surely some of network related problem when boot
22 [00:03:34] <i5513> and exim have ~ 30 seconds on boot
23 [00:03:47] <ryouma> stonerfish: actually maybe there is something i don't know about that is monitor-independent
24 [00:03:48] <i5513> but when logged it start without delay
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27 [00:04:08] <i5513> I thought it was dns issue
28 [00:04:15] <unborn> cbug: this may be helpful replaced-url
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30 [00:04:23] <i5513> but not sure how debug the problem
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32 [00:04:31] <i5513> I disabled ipv6, and reverse dns
33 [00:04:37] <i5513> but not luck
34 [00:04:39] <somiaj> i5513: how do you have exim configured? Do you use exim or a mail server?
35 [00:04:53] <i5513> local delivery
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37 [00:05:04] <i5513> and use smart host
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40 [00:05:15] <somiaj> i5513: I didn't think exim would require the network, but I guess if you have it running on something other than lo. Hmm, that is odd, I would think running on lo it woudln't ahve to wait for the interface to be brought up
41 [00:05:30] <somiaj> i5513: what is smart host, relaying to another server?
42 [00:05:53] <somiaj> i5513: there is a systemd channel that may give you better advise on debugging this issue. I only know the basics
43 [00:05:56] <i5513> yes,
44 [00:05:56] <unborn> cbug: perhaps you can try proftpd.. I switch to it long time ago..
45 [00:06:05] <stonerfish> have you tried looking at output from 'xset -q'
46 [00:06:24] <i5513> somiaj: thanks
47 [00:06:29] <stonerfish> ryouma
48 [00:06:41] <unborn> cbug: its actually best ftp server Ive come across.
49 [00:06:43] <jmcnaught> i5513: when exim4 took a long time to start did you look at "systemctl status exim4" or "journalctl -b -u exim4"? (exact unit name may be different)
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52 [00:07:02] <michipili> i5513: yes, thanks a lot! :)
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54 [00:07:21] <i5513> michilipili: apt-file search strict.dtd helps
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56 [00:07:32] <i5513> michipili, sorry
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58 [00:07:42] <ryouma> stonerfish: interesting. "Monitor is On". so you're suggesting i set up a cron job every minute to test this? is there an interrupt-based equivalent?
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60 [00:08:24] <i5513> jmcnaught: I'm going to start the laptop where it happen (Another network, but I think I can get journalct from older boots)
61 [00:08:51] <ryouma> stonerfish: my goal is to log when i turn on and off the monitor. i just need timestamp and on or off
62 [00:09:05] <michipili> i5513, okay thank you for the hint! :) I'm needing this to polish the testsuite of bsdowl, a bunch of Makefiles (also available under Debian ;) )
63 [00:09:17] <cbug> unborn: I take a look into it. thanks.
64 [00:09:23] <jmcnaught> i5513: journalctl can show previous boots with -b or --boot= if you have persistent journal
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67 [00:12:04] <i5513> Ok, at my current network, it take 15 seconds on boot
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69 [00:13:46] <i5513> only appear: 00:10:44 systemd: Stopped LSB: exim Mail => systemd: Starting exim => exim4: 00:10:59 Starting MTA: exim4 => systemd started LSB: exim
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72 [00:14:26] <unborn> cbug: I use it on all my servers and in home.. you will get much higher speed and not known bugs to me on proftpd
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74 [00:14:35] <i5513> It appears like Loaded: masked. Active: active (running)
75 [00:14:52] <i5513> and oone process exim4 -bd -q30m running
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77 [00:15:36] <jmcnaught> i5513: i don't use exim4 (i use postfix) but it must have a log level setting to increase verbosity
78 [00:15:54] <jmcnaught> or look for /var/log/mail.err and mail.log
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80 [00:16:32] <i5513> not hint on /var/log/{exim4}/*log
81 [00:16:42] <i5513> nor /var/log/mail*
82 [00:16:56] <i5513> will search about debugging exim4
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87 [00:18:15] <stonerfish> ryouma No I was not suggesting a cron job. I thought you wanted to check if it was turned on or off.
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89 [00:18:50] <i5513> I have find an file on /etc/exim4/main/90_* where I can turn on debug
90 [00:19:06] <i5513> I will see .. I'm going to change the laptop
91 [00:19:34] <i5513> so I can copy-paste where /msg dpkg paste says
92 [00:19:40] <cbug> unborn: yeah, but it still seems to be a bug that I have to report. Anyway, thanks for your help, I have to go to bed :-(
93 [00:19:47] <stonerfish> Ryouma is your system use systemd?
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95 [00:19:50] <cbug> unborn: gn8
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103 [00:22:59] <andril> is there any reason neofetch shows my nvidia video card correct but details shows ivy bridge in 8.4
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121 [00:30:06] <ryouma> stonerfish yes, it is jessie (but you have logged out)
122 [00:31:12] <galex-713> Does vocal transcription exist?
123 [00:31:23] <galex-713> *free software vocal transcription
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126 [00:31:38] <galex-713> I mean free software that recognize and transcibe oral speech
127 [00:32:17] <i5513> replaced-url
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130 [00:32:47] <i5513> I have read systemd.special but it not point where time-sync is reading its config
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132 [00:33:17] <i5513> and I have installed ntp client, so not sure if time-sync is really neccessary
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160 [00:49:26] <TechHermit> Hello, I'm running Debian Jessie 8.5 and am experiencing tearing. The tearing only occurs on my primary monitor, only in an area slightly below the black gnome bar. I have an nVidia card, but i'm trying to avoid installing the binary driver.
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176 [00:54:14] <solrize> is squeeze now eol? apt-get update no longer works. do i change apt-sources to debian 8 and run update and dist-upgrade? it's a small vps so i could just stash the user files elsewhere then reinstall the whole system which might be easier
177 [00:54:21] <solrize> but i'll probably have to do something similar on a bigger box soon
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179 [00:54:26] <uhf-cc> wow, this IRC is full of CC: replaced-url
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181 [00:54:48] <dvs> solrize, yes
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186 [00:56:20] <solrize> dvs thanks
187 [00:56:31] <dvs> no prob
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189 [00:57:03] <TechHermit> Any thoughts on my tearing issue?
190 [00:57:08] <solrize> i'm trying to put all this updating (a dozen or so scattered vps) in ansible and a lot of them fail for various reasons
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209 [01:03:25] <solrize> oh i see, it's hitting a "do you want to continue" prompt and not knowing what to do. gotta check ansible docs about handling that...
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213 [01:03:33] <aplayer> Wow, this IRC is full of CC: irc.crimeircd.net
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219 [01:04:57] <jmcnaught> solrize: don't upgrade directly from squeeze to jessie. you need to go squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie
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221 [01:05:55] <jmcnaught> solrize: you also may want to run through an upgrade manually on a single system following the release notes instructions before attempting to automate it in ansible
222 [01:05:58] <solrize> jmcnaught, hmm, ok. in this case it's a small vps so i can probably just reinstall it. i think all my others are running either wheezy or jessie
223 [01:05:59] <jmcnaught> solrize: replaced-url
224 [01:06:36] <solrize> yeah i've been updating manually in the past, now trying to automate
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226 [01:06:47] <solrize> oh you mean a full dist upgrade
227 [01:06:54] <solrize> ok yeah i should go through that again. i've done it about once
228 [01:07:32] <solrize> most of my systems are small enough that i can do a full backup before upgrading and restore if my user files get trashed
229 [01:07:36] <jmcnaught> solrize: do it following the instructions, take note of the debconf questions you get asked
230 [01:07:44] <solrize> ok
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232 [01:08:17] <jmcnaught> and then it's still best to test your ansible dist-upgrade playbook on a VM before using it on production servers
233 [01:08:50] <solrize> yeah maybe i'll do all dist-upgrades manually since there aren't that many and it's relatively rare compared to regular upgrades
234 [01:09:09] <jmcnaught> definitely don't forget to read the release notes
235 [01:09:17] <solrize> ok
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363 [02:07:57] <andril> just realized that i was running 8.5, been experiencing a lot of freezing and gdm not responding at wake any suggestions
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369 [02:13:39] <somiaj> ,kernels
370 [02:13:40] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-trunk-686 (4.6-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.5-1); stretch: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.5.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
371 [02:13:51] <somiaj> andril: what kernel are you using?
372 [02:14:16] <andril> not sure how can i tell
373 [02:14:23] <somiaj> andril: uname -a
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375 [02:14:45] <andril> ran neofetch Kernel: 3.16.0-4-amd64
376 [02:15:42] <andril> somiaj, Linux XPS-15 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
377 [02:16:46] <somiaj> andril: hmm, well you can look at the logs for apt, /var/log/apt and see what was upgraded. Sometimes the kernel has issues with specific hardawre. You can install an older kernel using dpkg. You may have one sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives or you may have to use snapshot.debian.org
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379 [02:17:54] <somiaj> andril: but if you are getting strange issues with suspend/resume that is sometimes a kernel issue. Trying the kernel you know that worked may fix it. If so file a regression bug or see if one has been filed.
380 [02:17:57] <andril> somiaj, way over my head too n00b :(
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390 [02:25:13] <stoned> What's a good audio recording application to test my USB mic on debian ?
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397 [02:27:21] <somiaj> maybe look though replaced-url
398 [02:27:22] <stoned> I installed audacity but I don't know which one to select for recording device. Says default: rear mic:0. It's a USB mic. How do I fin dout
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405 [02:31:11] <stoned> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0556:0001 Asahi Kasei Microsystems Co., Ltd AK5370 I/F A/D Converter
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407 [02:31:31] <stoned> I think I found it. This seemed alien to when googled that string, returns lotitech usb destkop mic, which is what I have
408 [02:31:41] <somiaj> stoned: you could try some tryal and error. But for audio devices you can see what alsa detected with 'cat /proc/asound/cards' or 'aplay -l'
409 [02:31:50] <stoned> ok hang on
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411 [02:32:12] <stoned> ohhh maye my recording levels in alsamixer are low, let me check that too
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415 [02:33:04] <stoned> Since it's a USB mouse, the input source wouldn't be Rear/Front mic, right?
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417 [02:33:17] <stoned> It should be like Capture/Capture1/Capture2/Digital I'm guessing it's Digital?
418 [02:33:28] <stoned> I'm in alsamixer and F4 (Capture)
419 [02:33:45] <stoned> I turned them up, what can I use to test my mic btw?
420 [02:33:51] <stoned> I don't like audacity, it's goofy.
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422 [02:35:02] <stoned> Now in audacity I use USB Audio in recording devices list, but there are like 10+ of them. I dunno which one. IT's not reard/front anything, it's just a usb mic
423 [02:35:27] <stoned> Hehe, this is really confusing
424 [02:36:54] <stoned> I think I got something, on AK5370: USB Audio (hw:3,0): Reard Mic:0 but there is a lot of scratching and static
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431 [02:42:02] <stoned> yeah, it's audacity causing problem. I do multitracking and the first track isn't scratchy anymore.
432 [02:42:09] <stoned> I guess it works, but now to enable OK Google in chrome
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435 [02:43:08] <stoned> Oh, they removed voice input support it seems.
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496 [03:26:13] <jair> hello all, I am using ethtool in debian and foud something interesting, probably off topic here but you guys may suggest a different room to ask
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499 [03:27:12] <jair> when I set the interface to 1000Mbps the autoneg becomes enabled, if I set the speed on the interface to 100Mbps and autoneg off then stays off
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527 [03:57:00] <jackcom> i log in debian with ssh, and i excute some command that show me continueous text, but i closed connection by mistake. so i reconnect debian with ssh again. but i can’t see previous screen. then i can see previous screen?
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536 [04:02:30] <solrize> does dist-upgrade make regular upgrade redundant? this is just after changing apt.sources from squeeze to wheezy
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540 [04:05:42] <somiaj> solrize: with apt-get the difference is if packages can be removed/installed during the ugprade.
541 [04:05:48] <somiaj> !tell solrize about squeeze->wheezy
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543 [04:06:07] <solrize> oh thanks looks like i should have done upgrade before dist-upgrade
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547 [04:07:21] <somiaj> solrize: it is sometimes nicer to dot hat, but not required
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551 [04:07:50] <solrize> well the dist-upgrade is progressing, i'll run upgrade afterwards just in case it still does something
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553 [04:08:10] <somiaj> you won't need to
554 [04:08:19] <somiaj> dist-upgrade would have upgraded everything
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579 [04:18:59] <jmcnaught> jackcom: you can use screen or tmux to be able to reattach to a session after it's been closed (it it was started with screen or tmux)
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582 [04:20:25] <jackcom> jmcnaught: thanks but there is error on screen and tmux
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584 [04:20:31] <jackcom> jmcnaught:
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587 [04:21:32] <jmcnaught> jackcom: and the error was...
588 [04:21:35] <BinBasher> anyone else not able to connect to google? :D
589 [04:21:48] <BinBasher> oh nvm it's back up
590 [04:21:49] <BinBasher> darn
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592 [04:22:23] <BinBasher> omg.. they updated the I'm feeling lucky button
593 [04:22:30] <jmcnaught> BinBasher: there are "is it down or just me?" type sites
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596 [04:23:39] <jackcom> oh it is not error
597 [04:23:42] <jackcom> jmcnaught:
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599 [04:23:52] <jackcom> i can use screen or tmux?
600 [04:23:56] <jackcom> jmcnaught: ?
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602 [04:24:43] <jmcnaught> jackcom: if you were not using screen or tmux earlier, then you will not be able to reattach to that session, it's gone. You can look in your logs for the error though
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605 [04:25:23] <jackcom> thanks i will try it
606 [04:25:26] <jackcom> :)
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631 [04:42:13] <cluelessperson> somiaj, So I was wondering, what makes it so hard to upgrade the cinnamon desktop?
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637 [04:48:53] <avis-> i don't like being locked in my house by two wrongly powers to keep me from eating. i've tried support tickets
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641 [04:50:10] <somiaj> cluelessperson: you would have to compile lots of different source packages and fix any issues that arise when trying to build the software for the debian os. This is the true for any desktop.
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644 [04:50:39] <cluelessperson> somiaj, how many?
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646 [04:50:54] <somiaj> I don't know, it is something that the person doing it would have to find out
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683 [05:20:55] <n_blownapart> hi on jessie 8 gnome I'm losing characters on my clock and in the upper bar, characters for my app icons, etc. any ideas?
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686 [05:21:29] <n_blownapart> my clock reads 'Sun 0: ' right now.
687 [05:21:59] <n_blownapart> now it reads 'Sun 0: 4'
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690 [05:24:52] <venkat_330> Need sugesstions on anti virus program. Want it to be lightweight & open source
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692 [05:25:34] <somiaj> venkat_330: why do you want a virus program? Linux doens't have the same substibaility to virus and doens't really need one to protect itself. What is your end goal?
693 [05:27:00] <venkat_330> somiaj: Yeah that a known fact. One my customer is asking for that since its there in product requirements. I am unable to defend that with a proper document , why anti virus is not required.
694 [05:27:50] <somiaj> n_blownapart: that sounds like something is corrupt. check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg for things that may seem relevent
695 [05:28:07] <n_blownapart> somiaj, thanks will do..
696 [05:28:24] <somiaj> venkat_330: well what is the need. there is clamav, but it is more if you are running a mail server and want to scan for virus that way, not really to protect itself.
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699 [05:29:25] <somiaj> venkat_330: clam av can scan your machine (or even file systems) for virus too
700 [05:29:47] <venkat_330> somiaj: Yah google too points that..If there is some authentic document i really can try to convince.. :(
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702 [05:30:44] <n_blownapart> somiaj, well, I can't read that stuff but what is the remedial move?
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704 [05:32:44] <somiaj> venkat_330: don't know what to say about an offical document, but you can maybe point to the debian security policy about how any exploit is fixed and updates are applied that way
705 [05:33:01] <jackcom> jmcnaught: screen vs tmux, which is easy?
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707 [05:33:42] <somiaj> venkat_330: replaced-url
708 [05:34:10] <venkat_330> somiaj: let me check on that
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710 [05:34:59] <somiaj> venkat_330: that is how linux deals with secuirty and proticting you from software that can exploit your use
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712 [05:35:39] <somiaj> at least debian
713 [05:35:47] <sypher> venkat_330: replaced-url
714 [05:35:58] <sypher> venkat_330: That's Red Hat's answer on the subject.
715 [05:37:12] <n_blownapart> somiaj, now my clock reads Sun 0: 9
716 [05:37:47] <n_blownapart> its 8:37 pst
717 [05:37:55] <somiaj> n_blownapart: corruption can either mean bad files, in which case debsum may abe able to tack down which files don't match the checksum of the package, or it could be bad hardware.
718 [05:38:44] <venkat_330> somiaj: yeah accepted, but sometimes customers expect some realtime scanning feel and alert stuffs... sypher: lets see looks good
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720 [05:38:56] <somiaj> n_blownapart: If it is not corruption due to mixing debian releases, using thrid party software, or just bad hardware, it could be corruption in the users $HOME directory. One way to test this is create a new user and see if the problem presists with defaults.
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722 [05:39:32] <sypher> venkat_330: Just because a customer "expects" something doesn't mean they need to get it. You need to be able to address what they THINK they need and explain why they don't.
723 [05:39:39] <n_blownapart> somiaj, dang sounds really complicated but thanks !
724 [05:39:43] <somiaj> venkat_330: well that is a bit off topic, there is clamav, and debian security team. What about osX? I don't think there is virus protection to that
725 [05:39:56] <somiaj> n_blownapart: the try a new user is fairly easy.
726 [05:40:16] <n_blownapart> ok cheers
727 [05:40:20] <somiaj> n_blownapart: logs and other thigns are also helpful when tracking down an issue.
728 [05:40:43] <venkat_330> somiaj: sypher: Yeah, let me try defending.. Thanks for references.
729 [05:40:47] <n_blownapart> somiaj, just when I had everything dialed in for self-learning coding
730 [05:40:53] <avis-> i'll give you a hint. debian works great on old hardware. a hint
731 [05:41:06] <somiaj> n_blownapart: adduser newusername then login as that user
732 [05:41:22] <n_blownapart> somiaj, thanks trying it.
733 [05:41:34] <avis-> and its fast on old hardware too
734 [05:42:01] <avis-> when ubuntu looks the other way, i go for the steel -- pure AMD/debian. because those nanobots DO have souls.
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736 [05:43:13] <jackcom> i log in linux with ssh, and i excute command ‘ping google’ then i want close ssh without terminating ping command. how can i do?
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743 [05:50:53] <jmcnaught> jackcom: i use screen and have never learned tmux but i assume it's just as easy
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746 [05:51:15] <jackcom> oh thanks i will use screen too :) jmcnaught
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749 [05:51:55] <jackcom> i log in linux with ssh, and i excute command ‘ping google’ then i want close ssh without terminating ping command. how can i do? jmcnaught
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751 [05:53:41] <jmcnaught> jackcom: you run screen, run ping, use Ctrl+A D to detach (or simply close the terminal emulator, or use ~. to close ssh). Then you ssh in again, and run "screen -DR" to reattach
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757 [05:55:30] <jackcom> thanks :) but what is ~.?
758 [05:57:04] <jackcom> jmcnaught:
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773 [06:03:03] <jackcom> ctrl + ad is correct then i must use screen -r instead of screen -DR jmcnaught ?
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779 [06:05:02] <jackcom> jmcnaught: thanks i can do it with your help :)
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782 [06:06:27] <jmcnaught> jackcom: i prefer "screen -DR" to "screen -r" but you can read about the difference in the screen man page
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784 [06:07:01] <jackcom> thanks jmcnaught :)
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801 [06:18:33] <ryouma> is there a way to find out the current dpi setting?
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809 [06:21:21] <cjs> Hm, so Debian installs without sudo by default?"
810 [06:22:15] <ryouma> also, what is the normal dpi for debian? 96? 100?
811 [06:22:23] <ryouma> if i just launch startx
812 [06:22:35] <cjs> If it does, how do I get to root on a recent install where I have completely forgotten what root password I put in? (I assumed I wouldn't need it because I would just sudo.)
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816 [06:25:10] <stacks88> my server4.mydomain.com , the bandwidth is maxed out. people are downloading directly off its apache. so its doing 1gbit/sec right now.. if i type ssh root@server4.mydomadin.com uptime (to try to run the uptime command without logging in), it just sits there.. stalling forever...... but if i take off 'uptime' and just ssh root@server4.mydomain.com it logs in right away. does anyone know what
817 [06:25:10] <stacks88> this means ? it has to do with the bandwidth being maxed out for sure, but why can i log in normally but i cant run commands without logging into this said-box ? Or.. if i do log in normally to server4.mydomain.com , FROM the machine, i cant seem to make outgoign connections to the mysql server. e.g i run mysql -u user -h mysql.mydomain.com -p and after i enter in the pw it just sits there.
818 [06:25:10] <stacks88> Simiarily, if i type *from within server4.mydomain.com* : ssh user@mysql.mydomain.com uptime - it doesnt go anywhere. but once i take off the uptime, it logs in.. i feel like theres got to be some setting in /proc or sysctl that i can change, tahts network related, socket related or connection related, to alleviate the situation ?
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827 [06:29:49] <ryouma> to answer my own question, arch wiki suggests the default x dpi is 96, or some nonsense trying to guess for you
828 [06:30:30] <ryouma> for bitmap fonts, not clear whether you want a multiple of 6, of 12, of 16, or what, though
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845 [06:51:28] <cjs> Argh. Doesn't matter; I somehow did a non-encrypted LVM installation. I guess the easiest thing to do is re-install. Is LUKS-containing-LVM the canonical way to install a full-disk-encrypted Debian, the way it is with Ubuntu?
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887 [07:09:41] <jackcom> How can I only allow ssh connections over LAN?
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889 [07:10:08] <somiaj> jackcom: what do you mean? just run the ssh server, and then after that you can use the ip address
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895 [07:11:10] <jackcom> i can use ssh at same ip of local, but i want to connect linux at different ip with ssh. somiaj
896 [07:11:30] <jackcom> how can i do?
897 [07:11:37] <somiaj> jackcom: be a bit more clear, you want to connect from outside your network like behind a router?
898 [07:11:47] <jackcom> yesh
899 [07:11:49] <jackcom> yes
900 [07:11:51] <jackcom> correct
901 [07:11:56] <somiaj> you need to configure your router to forward the ports correctly
902 [07:12:20] <jackcom> oh
903 [07:12:36] <jackcom> how can i configure my router to forward the ports?
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906 [07:13:40] <SQL> jackcom: replaced-url
907 [07:13:54] <jackcom> thanks SQL :)
908 [07:14:15] <SQL> Anytime.
909 [07:14:22] <jackcom> oh good :)
910 [07:14:33] <SQL> First hit when I googled "how do I port forward my router"
911 [07:14:57] <jackcom> oh
912 [07:14:59] <jackcom> good
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914 [07:15:20] <jackcom> outside —> router —> port?
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916 [07:15:26] <jackcom> SQL: ?
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918 [07:16:42] <jackcom> router have many port?
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923 [07:19:23] <SQL> Yes, router have many port. Approximately 65535 of them.
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925 [07:20:25] <jackcom> then if i connect linux from from outside my network, it must connect to router port?
926 [07:20:30] <jackcom> SQL: ?
927 [07:20:47] <SQL> Only if you want to get in from the outside
928 [07:21:05] <jackcom> yes right
929 [07:21:19] <jackcom> i want to log in from outside
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931 [07:21:47] <jackcom> outside ——> router port —> linux port?
932 [07:21:53] <SQL> in which case you will want to figure out how to forward port 22 from your router
933 [07:21:53] <jackcom> is it right? SQL ?
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935 [07:22:22] <jackcom> outside ——> router some port —> linux 22 port?
936 [07:22:28] <jackcom> is it right? SQL ?
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938 [07:22:54] <SQL> As I have affirmed before - yes, it is right. Figure that out, and you'll be able to access remotely SSH
939 [07:23:12] <jackcom> oh
940 [07:23:15] <jackcom> thanks SQL :)
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942 [07:24:03] <SQL> NP; 9 times out of 10, you can google "<router model here> port forward" and figure it out in seconds.
943 [07:24:24] <jackcom> in seconds :)
944 [07:24:27] <jackcom> lol great
945 [07:24:28] <jackcom> :)
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947 [07:25:12] <eipi10> has anyone ever experienced a grub background image not being displayed after an 'update-grub'?
948 [07:25:58] <SQL> eipi10: o_O can't say I have
949 [07:26:00] <SQL> wtf
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953 [07:27:30] <eipi10> yeah, it's pretty trivial, but annoying and a little strange.
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955 [07:27:47] <eipi10> ever install grub-customizer?
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958 [07:29:23] <eipi10> or has anyone ever installed grub-customizer?
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1032 [08:30:44] <darxmurf> hi all
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1036 [08:32:08] <RahulAN> Hi all
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1038 [08:32:34] <RahulAN> I want to install linux on my pendrive (8GB) , is it possible ?
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1040 [08:32:46] <RahulAN> my hdd gone bad.. so i removed it
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1067 [08:49:58] <eipi10> anyone ever use antix repos?
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1090 [09:00:52] <zykotick9> eipi10: see replaced-url
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1092 [09:02:58] <eipi10> you've never installed a PPA?
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1097 [09:03:59] <eipi10> I'm honestly asking, not being a dick.
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1099 [09:04:59] <zykotick9> eipi10: "you've never installed a PPA" on debian? HELL NO...
1100 [09:05:40] <eipi10> do you use stable, testing, sid?
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1102 [09:06:05] <eipi10> I mean, which.
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1104 [09:06:37] <zykotick9> mainly stable
1105 [09:07:20] <eipi10> oh, so occasionally you alter sources.list to testing for something?
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1107 [09:07:50] <babilen> I wouldn't recommend that
1108 [09:07:59] <zykotick9> no. that's a broken install in my opinion.
1109 [09:08:06] <babilen> You either track stable with backports or a testing/unstable mix
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1111 [09:08:42] <babilen> (.. or pure stable or unstable)
1112 [09:09:08] <zykotick9> eipi10: my "mainly stable" i mean, i use stable on almost all of my machines. today however, i did install testing onto one machine (basically for testing purposes)...
1113 [09:09:18] <zykotick9> s/my/by/
1114 [09:09:38] <eipi10> I see.
1115 [09:09:49] <eipi10> so getdeb, webupd8 and all that crap is out the door?
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1117 [09:10:20] <zykotick9> well... if you want a reliable machine, then yes (in my opinion, ymmv)
1118 [09:10:22] <themill> please
1119 [09:10:52] <eipi10> I have one piece from one PPA.
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1122 [09:11:17] <eipi10> do you have any other software sources besides the main repos?
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1125 [09:12:20] <zykotick9> eipi10: i do. mozilla.debian.net ;)
1126 [09:13:13] <eipi10> oh yeah, I got FF too.
1127 [09:13:16] <babilen> eipi10: I don't really think that it is relevant what I or zykotick9 do, because it generally boils down to the points discussed in the article linked earlier. We simply don't recommend to mix in third-party sources and that's the generic advice.
1128 [09:13:26] <babilen> eipi10: Is there anything you like to achieve in particular?
1129 [09:13:35] <eipi10> yes...
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1132 [09:13:55] <MedozasSVR> hi... just a stupid question since I either have tomatoes in my eyes or simply don't find it ... everytime w3m is called, it creates the .w3m directory ... is there an option to stop w3m from doing so? ... I checked manpage, googled for it ... it seems there is none? really?
1133 [09:13:57] <eipi10> finding sources outside the main repos....THATS why I was asking, sport.
1134 [09:15:39] <babilen> eipi10: Whatfor?
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1170 [09:38:52] <p0rt> hey
1171 [09:39:14] <p0rt> is it possible to check what password user sent when he was connecting to ssh server?
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1173 [09:39:28] <p0rt> I'm getting weird ssh login attempts
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1178 [09:40:19] <p0rt> I've blocked ip already, but I'd like to check if he was brute forcing password
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1180 [09:40:36] <colo-work> p0rt, just assume the attacker was.
1181 [09:40:58] <p0rt> colo-work: I'm curious though
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1184 [09:41:34] <inch> I guess you would need to change sshd source code to do that.
1185 [09:41:45] <colo-work> or use a custom PAM module that enables that.
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1188 [09:43:04] <p0rt> inch, colo-work: So sshd doesn't allow me to do so... Ok, thanks!
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1203 [09:51:29] <TomTomTosch> passwords are not sent in clear text. the most you could get is a hash.
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1206 [09:53:16] <p0rt> TomTomTosch: but they are encrypted using my ssh key, ain't they?
1207 [09:53:30] <FinalX> ssh keys are seperate from passwords
1208 [09:53:31] <p0rt> TomTomTosch: servers ssh key*
1209 [09:53:49] <TomTomTosch> no, they are hashed even before leaving your machine me thinks.
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1211 [09:53:56] <p0rt> FinalX: I mean, password is encrypoted using servers public key.
1212 [09:54:08] <p0rt> TomTomTosch: That makes sense.
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1218 [09:55:23] <FinalX> passwords need to be able to be checked against the hash in whatever pam system you use, therefore the password must be sent to pam, not a hash, because you can't know the salt or whatever algorithm used from the client or even the sshd
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1221 [09:56:13] <FinalX> it _is_ sent encrypted over the ssh channel, but you really shouldn't be using passwords if you can avoid it; generate a private/public key pair, put the public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and lock the users password or disable password auth in sshd_config
1222 [09:56:56] <FinalX> that way you use a password locally to unlock your private key, and it will generate something the sshd can match with your public key that's allowed in for auth
1223 [09:58:14] <FinalX> also, you're asking because you saw weird login attempts: you will get those a lot, always, brute force attacks from random hosts. arm yourself against them by doing the above (disabling password auth altogether) and, if possible, make sure that they can't connect to the ssh port to begin with (limit it to the IP-ranges/IP's you come from)
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1225 [09:59:04] <FinalX> you can also limit them through hosts.allow/hosts.deny, the tcp wrappers; openssh will then honor those and drop the connection before a login attempt can be made (similar to firewalls, but firewalls are safer in case of a software bug in openssh)
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1233 [10:02:37] <TomTomTosch> yeah, i was wrong. >> RFC4252 replaced-url
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1293 [10:42:44] <inch> I have a packaging question: How can I determine the correct DESTDIR if I use override_dh_auto_install ?
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1297 [10:44:02] <rueda> after upgrading debian is it necesary to reboot?
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1299 [10:44:47] <inch> rueda: Normally you only need to reboot after upgrading the kernel.
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1303 [10:45:42] <rueda> inch: I didn't read anything about that it mainly upgraded libre office
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1307 [10:46:12] <inch> Restarting the upgraded applications is usually enough.
1308 [10:46:35] <rueda> k good to know
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1310 [10:46:50] <rueda> I'll go along with that
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1319 [10:51:19] <inch> It seems that "$(shell pwd)/debian/packagename" is the correct answer in one case, but it would be nice, if I could just "dh_auto_install --print-destdir"
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1330 [10:57:16] <rueda> pros
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1332 [10:57:43] <rueda> I have a question which one offers better performoance propietary or atihowto
1333 [10:58:00] <rueda> for opengl
1334 [10:58:15] <rueda> I want to run urban terror on debian
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1347 [11:03:42] <ozmage> where i found the kernel 4.1.25 compiled for debian testing ?
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1411 [11:36:17] <rueda> debian users
1412 [11:36:32] <rueda> is radeon free out yet? is it better then flx o glx
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1426 [11:42:18] <bazhang> rueda, did you men amdgpu and fglrx
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1429 [11:42:59] <rueda> fglrx doesn't sounds free
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1431 [11:43:29] <rueda> radeon free is the idea that amd will coolaborate for an open source driver as far I think
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1433 [11:43:38] <bazhang> <rueda> is radeon free out yet? is it better then flx o glx
1434 [11:43:50] <bazhang> fglrx is the correct name
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1437 [11:44:38] <da3m0n22_> hi, how can I find, which kernel.org upstream commit is latest for distributed linux-image-4.6.0-trunk-amd64 ? or at least estimatedly when it was compiled/shipped ?
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1472 [12:00:27] <lollipop> hi! I connected my wireless usb to my debian stable system and NetworkManager crashed. I had to cold boot up. When I came back to my desktop I noticed that for instance my wallpaper had changed. How I know if there has been any other damage to my system? Any guidences or wiki page suggestions are appreciated
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1474 [12:01:14] <j08nY> da3m0n22_: what about replaced-url
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1476 [12:01:48] <RahulAN> lollipop: you can have a look on dmesg
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1487 [12:07:16] <venkat_330> HI is there any policy creator available fro SELinux
1488 [12:07:43] <RahulAN> Which debian distribution is should use which can fit on usb flash..
1489 [12:08:00] <RahulAN> I have a 8 GB flash drive
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1491 [12:08:38] <almost_homeless> Please help me! Any amount helps! I'm going to be homeless unless I have $500 by Wednesday! Here's my bitcoin address: 1PZGpx9MqpiEF951d6dRYVirFMZyQdBk7B
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1498 [12:09:56] <RahulAN> What was that o0
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1502 [12:10:17] <themill> RahulAN: spam
1503 [12:10:51] <themill> RahulAN: the limitation of fitting on a usb stick is only the packages you choose to install, not the distro you choose
1504 [12:10:52] <spacebug^> RahulAN: if you have internet access then you can use network install image (only 280 MB). replaced-url
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1506 [12:12:21] <RahulAN> themill: Actually my hdd gone bad .. And i want to continue the work with some web development
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1510 [12:13:14] <RahulAN> spacebug^: I will go with CD
1511 [12:13:21] <spacebug^> ok
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1515 [12:14:42] <gluon> RahulAN: and regarding the actual dist, that's more a question about you'd like to track bleeding edge versions of software, in which case debian testing or unstable would work (although unstable especially requires you to maintain the system) or if you don't care about older versions then go for debian stable
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1517 [12:15:17] <gluon> but as already someone pointed out, the storage limitation is about how many packages you can install, not about the distro
1518 [12:15:21] <RahulAN> gluon i want to install php and apache in it
1519 [12:15:32] <RahulAN> That is it .. sufficient for me
1520 [12:15:45] <unborn> RahulAN: if you new to debian you may consider non free drivers/software version too..
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1522 [12:16:21] <RahulAN> unborn: Yes sure :D
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1524 [12:17:28] <RahulAN> If i will download netinstall i need to first replaced-url
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1527 [12:18:32] <RahulAN> i guess it won;t suit me
1528 [12:18:33] <RahulAN> replaced-url
1529 [12:18:51] <RahulAN> this says i need 10GB hdd space
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1531 [12:20:32] <unborn> RahulAN: if you just want to use it for lamp server netinstall will suits you best.. just naked system with ssh and webserver no other gui
1532 [12:20:49] <unborn> RahulAN: you will be able to install those parts durring the installation ^^^
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1534 [12:21:14] <RahulAN> unborn: But i need a gui .. a firefox
1535 [12:21:57] <unborn> RahulAN: on same system? then go with gnome iso
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1537 [12:22:30] <unborn> RahulAN: heh when you installing netinstall it will let you select gui as well..
1538 [12:22:37] <unborn> just noting that to you..
1539 [12:22:49] <vlt> Hello. On machine with Debian 8 and a running ntpd the clock is too slow. I restarted ntpd about two weeks ago, it adjusted the system time but lost about 15 minutes since then. A `systemctl restart ntp` helped again and corrected it (temporarily). There’s nothing to be found in syslog. What might be going on here?
1540 [12:22:56] <RahulAN> unborn: will my 8Gb pendive will be sufficient
1541 [12:23:53] <themill> only you can answer that because only you know what you're going to install
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1544 [12:25:04] <G66K> hello everyone
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1546 [12:25:11] <G66K> im using jessie
1547 [12:25:17] <G66K> i have just made an update
1548 [12:25:19] <inch> RahulAN: You could install without desktop and later: apt-get install x-window-system xterm iceweasel xdm
1549 [12:25:34] <gluon> RahulAN: debian stable features php 5.6.20, whereas with testing you get version 7.*
1550 [12:25:40] <G66K> adn seems that i lose the monitor and the gnome sound control
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1554 [12:27:31] <RahulAN> So i should go with net install and then install the x system
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1558 [12:28:54] <RahulAN> I am afraid that it should not scream for space afterwards
1559 [12:28:57] <gluon> yes, although that assumes you know how to install packages, if you don't, just leave gnome selected during install
1560 [12:29:07] <gluon> and hope you have enough space
1561 [12:29:10] <gluon> which i think you do
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1565 [12:30:30] <RahulAN> gluon: 8GB
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1569 [12:32:23] <unborn> RahulAN: for installation it 8gigs would be just fine..I assume you want to install system on your machines hdd
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1582 [12:37:20] <stevenm> hey i've come across two bits of software now which on their website offer up a .deb package (and installs to /opt) but sticks it's .desktop file in /opt/program/here.desktop
1583 [12:37:45] <stevenm> which is obviously a bit useless when you'd rather have it in /usr/share/applications - any reason why some packagers do this?
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1585 [12:38:18] <stevenm> also they never seem to put a category in that desktop file
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1662 [13:24:26] <xica_laspalmas> saludos
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1687 [13:38:34] <Masber> hi all
1688 [13:39:35] <Masber> I am having problems with my fstab file
1689 [13:39:56] <Masber> replaced-url
1690 [13:40:06] <Masber> it is complaining about /tmp
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1692 [13:40:28] <Masber> it says fsck [1023] terminated with status 8
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1703 [13:45:30] <RahulAN> what is the command to burn iso in cd ?
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1707 [13:45:58] <babilen> RahulAN: replaced-url
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1715 [13:48:27] <RahulAN> babilen: i am getting this wodim: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
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1720 [13:49:49] <babilen> RahulAN: And what did you find when you googled that ?
1721 [13:50:01] <babilen> Are you sure that you have a CD burner?
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1725 [13:50:56] <RahulAN> Yes .. I have ..
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1751 [14:00:55] <blawiz> if two commands are set to run at the same time in crontab... will the upper one run first? both? or wut?
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1754 [14:01:20] <RahulAN> blawiz: upper will run first
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1756 [14:02:05] <blawiz> hmm but imapfilter doesnt seem to filter the spam quickly enough, even if its above the mail notifyer ..
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1770 [14:07:06] <Norux> I have tried debian live usb today, and it works fine. There is only one problem: it looks like shit. Is there a way I can improve that?
1771 [14:07:37] <tonk> Norux, yes.
1772 [14:07:44] <Norux> I tried GNOME (which I don't like that much) and xfce, which looks absolutely garbage haha
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1777 [14:08:24] <tonk> Norux, you can change xfce alot to your tastes.
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1779 [14:08:48] <Norux> tonk: not while using the live usb, right?
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1782 [14:09:57] <tonk> Norux, I'm guessing.. but I would think you could make the changes, but not save them.
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1784 [14:10:18] <Norux> tonk: I can't add foreign ppas for example
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1786 [14:11:25] <tonk> Norux, Personal Package Archives?
1787 [14:11:55] <Cloudwalker42> I ran an upgrade on a debian machine. My main problem is that dpkg isn't able to overwrite the following file. /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.20/Cyrus/IMAP/Shell.pm
1788 [14:11:59] <Norux> tonk: The command add-apt-repository doesn't work on my live usb.
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1790 [14:12:15] <Cloudwalker42> Should I attach a force option to the upgrade command ?
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1793 [14:13:08] <tonk> Norux, that behavior sounds rational.
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1799 [14:18:25] <vlt> blawiz: The second command runs like 20 ns later. Do you want it to wait until the first is finished?
1800 [14:18:40] <vlt> blawiz: If yes: command1; command2
1801 [14:18:47] <ksk> vi /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.20/Cyrus/IMAP/Shell.pm
1802 [14:18:49] <ksk> eh
1803 [14:18:50] <ksk> nvm
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1805 [14:19:11] <vlt> blawiz: Or if command2 should only run after command1 was successful: comamnd1 && command2
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1808 [14:20:07] <blawiz> vlt hmm i guess that would work, maaaybe a little bit less organizes but ja
1809 [14:20:18] <blawiz> maybe a sleep in there to .>
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1812 [14:21:37] <vlt> blawiz: “a little bit less organizes”?
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1814 [14:24:19] <blawiz> vlt: i dunno, usually (at least for me) i only use one command pr line, and it would be easier to comment out a line etc...
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1816 [14:24:25] <blawiz> but its mostly cosmetics i guess :>
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1819 [14:26:10] <rueda> is free radeon out yet
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1821 [14:26:31] <rueda> a combined forces work with amd
1822 [14:26:37] <rueda> for a open source driver :)
1823 [14:26:40] <rueda> the best of all
1824 [14:27:32] <vlt> blawiz: You still can do that. There’s just no relation between the two commands.
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1882 [15:03:06] <stoned> What's a good gpg gui for encrypting text (not files) using public keys stored in the keyring?
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1898 [15:11:22] <jelly> stoned: if you find one let us know, gpg and user friendliness don't seem to be very compatible
1899 [15:11:36] <stoned> Hm.
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1901 [15:12:23] <stoned> Well I tried Kgpg, yeah? I can add keys. I can also copy text into clipboard/buffer. Then right click the tray icon and click encrypt clipboard. It pops up a box asking me to select a public key from the keyring. Then the resulting text is copied to the clipboard again.
1902 [15:12:30] <stoned> Seems okay for now.
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1904 [15:13:10] <stoned> Mailvelop for chromium/chrome (add all the pub keys, works nicely across a slew of sites. I think it might work on anything that has a text input area. I'll have to test that manually)
1905 [15:13:30] <stoned> replaced-url
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1908 [15:14:02] <stoned> Area to select (dropdown maybe) of all the adde pubkeys. Another box to type the message. And another box for the resulting encrypted text.
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1913 [15:14:20] <noobandnoober> hi
1914 [15:14:26] <stoned> I think I could probably code something one of these days.
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1916 [15:15:13] <noobandnoober> is it normal that my computer is sending 61 bytes of date every 30 seconds?without anything open
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1918 [15:15:48] <stoned> Where is it being sent?
1919 [15:15:59] <stoned> watch netstat output maybe?
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1941 [15:25:08] <venkat_330> i am facing an peculiar issue in debian 8 system ... I have X86 installed Jessie system and an test application. When OS is booted with N2800 motherboard my USB device works as expected. But when same HDD is used in an I3 board my USB communication fails. Searching a debugging mechanism.
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1963 [15:38:02] <nkuttler> venkat_330: is it only the one usb device that doesn't work?
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1967 [15:39:38] <venkat_330> nkuttler: all my usb peripherals behave the same way.. (USB printer & Finger print)
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1969 [15:40:08] <nkuttler> venkat_330: sounds to me like the usb port on that board is broken
1970 [15:40:18] <nkuttler> venkat_330: but try ##hardware i guess
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1973 [15:40:51] <venkat_330> nkuttler: Nope i am sure it is not broken.. If i change device to USB 1.0 for I3 it works
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1976 [15:42:40] <nkuttler> venkat_330: well, if it works in one mode but not the other that sounds broken to me.. see also the output of lspci dmesg, etc
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2002 [15:54:29] <jhutchins> Perhaps lsusb
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2048 [16:12:23] <venkat_330> nkuttler: DMESG does not throw error..
2049 [16:12:33] <da3m0n22_> j08nY: and how do I find out which is latest commit included in binary form distributed in debian repo?
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2090 [16:32:44] <Iridos> judd, kernels
2091 [16:32:45] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-trunk-686 (4.6-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.5-1); stretch: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.5.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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2093 [16:33:19] <Iridos> pfft, experimental
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2100 [16:35:12] <petn-ran1all> venkat_330: When you plug in the USB device on the problematic system, do you get any new lines in dmesg? If so, please paste them to replaced-url
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2106 [16:37:49] <petn-ran1all> venkat_330: Could be several reasons. USB 2.0 upwards is handled by either xhci-hcd or uhci-hcd, could be that you accidentally blacklisted one of them. Or the hardware is too new and you need to install and boot into a newer kernel. The one from jessie-backports should be new enough.
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2114 [16:40:31] <nkuttler> venkat_330: does it mention your usb port? does it show up in lspci/usb?
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2153 [16:56:58] <venkat_330> petn-ran1all: replaced-url
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2158 [16:58:48] <venkat_330> nkuttler: Yes lsusb get device information as expected
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2161 [16:59:39] <petn-randall> venkat_330: This is a label printer we're talking about?
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2164 [17:00:23] <venkat_330> petn-randall: yes
2165 [17:01:05] <petn-randall> venkat_330: kernel wise it looks like both are recognized and behave the same. Maybe the userland part you have is configured to use a certain USB device number that's different? Are you using CUPS?
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2168 [17:01:44] <venkat_330> petn-randall: Nope.. We use LIBUSB 0.1 and use bulk write and read
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2189 [17:12:57] <FinalX> anyone using puppet with debian and apt-key? trying to figure out how i can get puppet to display what exact apt-key command is issued, and --debug ain't helping for shit
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2192 [17:13:53] <venkat_330> petn-randall: # Make USB connections free, blacklist usblp Does this have any impact??
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2200 [17:15:28] <FinalX> actually, I might just replace apt-key with a shell script executing the real one and just write out what is being issued :)
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2205 [17:17:26] <petn-randall> venkat_330: Do you have any user space logs then from both machines?
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2225 [17:23:17] <venkat_330> petn-randall: Yes, qill publish in couple og mnutes
2226 [17:23:20] <venkat_330> *will
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2228 [17:24:18] <venkat_330> the logs that you are asking is about LIBUSB is that correct
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2238 [17:27:12] <aiden> i'm in
2239 [17:27:42] <L1nuxg33k> Good morning everyone
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2241 [17:28:02] <acos> Morning L1nuxg33k
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2247 [17:28:43] <aiden> FLOSS for all
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2269 [17:37:58] <aix> hi
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2272 [17:38:30] <aix> Does Debian have a repository similar to what blackarch is?
2273 [17:38:48] <petn-randall> aix: What does the blackarch repo do?
2274 [17:39:02] <aix> various pentesting programs
2275 [17:39:31] <L1nuxg33k> You'd have to look at kali's source list
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2282 [17:40:15] <aix> finding blackarch didn't need me to look at any source lists, i'm curious if there's anything similar to it, not a direct port of it to debian
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2290 [17:43:05] <jelly> aix: no, there isn't. There's this well known derivative called kali but mixing its repos with debian isn't supported by either, so if you need a lot of stuff that isn't available in debian but is in kali, use the latter
2291 [17:43:33] <aix> okay
2292 [17:43:34] <jelly> aix: which pentesting stuff are you missing?
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2294 [17:44:00] <aix> some metasploit, ruby, and nmap packages
2295 [17:44:11] <aix> and various others
2296 [17:44:19] <aix> i figured it'd be simpler to add a kali mirror
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2299 [17:44:54] <petn-randall> aix: I recommend using Kali in VM. Mixing repos with plain Debian is not supported, and might break your system.
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2303 [17:45:29] <aix> the box in question is a shellbox and it's already in a vm
2304 [17:45:33] <jelly> aix: while it's simpler short term, it makes a system that noone will want to help you with
2305 [17:45:39] <aix> yeah
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2308 [17:46:27] <aix> guess i'll have to go with source for now
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2310 [17:46:47] <jelly> however, several kali devs are also debian devs; if you want their stuff, it's probably best to go use kali
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2338 [17:54:14] <fennesz> Hello ! I ve just installed debian 8 64 and my microsoft optical mouse 6000 is not working . lsusb lists the device . What could be wrong?
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2340 [17:55:18] <jhutchins> fennesz: Are you running a GUI desktop environment? If so, which one?
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2344 [17:57:02] <fennesz> jhutchins, I am using Gnome
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2350 [17:58:05] <JyZyXEL> how do you give virtualization rights to a user on debian?
2351 [17:58:20] <JyZyXEL> do you just chmod root:kvm /dev/kvm and then add the user to group kvm?
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2358 [17:59:28] <Akuw> <Akuw> i can't access my web site, but anybody can, in another computer in my network i can access too
2359 [17:59:37] <Akuw> what could be the problem
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2370 [18:08:07] <unborn> Akuw: and other websites work?
2371 [18:08:20] <Akuw> yes
2372 [18:08:24] <Akuw> i have 2 computers
2373 [18:08:35] <Akuw> one computer can see the site
2374 [18:08:44] <Akuw> from phone i can see the site
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2376 [18:08:53] <Akuw> and all people i know can se it
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2378 [18:09:05] <Akuw> i am testing with 4 diferent browsers on linux
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2380 [18:09:08] <Akuw> debian jessie
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2386 [18:09:45] <unborn> Akuw: I mean on that computer which cannot access your own website
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2390 [18:10:11] <Akuw> this computer
2391 [18:10:22] <Akuw> i can see any website
2392 [18:10:27] <Akuw> can do ssh to that site
2393 [18:10:35] <Akuw> can ping that site
2394 [18:10:37] <spacebug^> Akuw: what webserver?
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2396 [18:10:50] <Akuw> replaced-url
2397 [18:11:02] <Akuw> i release my ip
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2399 [18:11:58] <cusco> is there a way I can change the "Flex block group size" ona ext4 filesystem?
2400 [18:12:03] <cusco> i see in the manpage that mkfs.ext4 has the option -G
2401 [18:12:08] <cusco> but tune2fs doesn't
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2405 [18:13:17] <unborn> Akuw: so you can see that linuxsolutions.com.ve website right? there is no issues is that correct?
2406 [18:13:46] <Akuw> i can't see that site
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2409 [18:14:57] <spacebug^> Akuw: if you run apache you can look into /var/log/apache2/ and see if you see connection attempts, errors etc
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2412 [18:15:25] <Akuw> is a shared server
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2415 [18:16:06] <Urk> Would anyone know why running grub-reconfig didn't change the boot drive? I set the configuration for a newly installed drive, and I am still running the failing drive instead. The newly installed drive isn't showing up in at bootup.
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2431 [18:21:48] <unborn> Akuw: I can see your website without any issues.. its your internal networking
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2434 [18:22:09] <Akuw> but, why one windows pc in my network can see the site?
2435 [18:22:25] <Akuw> i test with 4 diferent browsers
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2445 [18:25:54] <unborn> Akuw: have look on your network settings
2446 [18:26:33] <Akuw> what i have to check ?
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2448 [18:26:51] <Akuw> because everything is configured
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2450 [18:27:35] <unborn> Akuw: it should be peace of cake for you.. end of the day you are linux expert. btw I like you linux solutions logo man.. back in times I was selling computers with linux pre-installed
2451 [18:28:07] <simonlnu> configured wrongly, i'd say. else your boxen would be able to fetch stuff from there.
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2453 [18:28:26] <Urk> Would someone be able to walk me through the process of changing the boot drive? I ran grub-reconfig and it didn't change the current drive, to a newly installed drive.
2454 [18:28:55] <greycat> Your computer's firmware (aka BIOS in older times) decides which drive to boot.
2455 [18:29:04] <greycat> You have to make the change at that level.
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2460 [18:30:17] <Akuw> unborn: i will do
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2462 [18:30:49] <Urk> greycat> Ok, I will take a look. Thanks.
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2507 [18:52:19] <cluelessperson> Anyone know of a decent GUI cpu scaling software?
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2520 [18:59:42] <rhizome> what features does "decent" get you?
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2529 [19:05:20] <sideup66> hey room, minor question, im googling but cant find anything conclusive, how do I make sure my server is running the latest kernel version, im running jessie and the kernel is 3.16.0.4-amd64 via uname -r, but i see there were patches
2530 [19:05:27] <sideup66> how can i be sure im running the latest patch
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2534 [19:06:28] <m00n_urn> hey?
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2537 [19:07:37] <sideup66> nevermind, found it :)
2538 [19:07:39] <sideup66> were good
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2540 [19:07:52] <greycat> sideup66: if you've got the recommended jessie sources.list and if you've been running apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, and rebooting after any kernel update, then you are fully patched.
2541 [19:08:00] <mazert> by checking debian website ?
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2544 [19:08:26] <sideup66> greycat: yeah, i found to see the detailed information i wasnt passing uname the right argument =|
2545 [19:08:27] <sideup66> whoops
2546 [19:09:06] <sideup66> cant wait to get that kernel 4 though in 9, and those shiny new libraries :>
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2558 [19:13:33] <fennesz> Hello ! I ve just installed debian 8 64 with Gnome and my microsoft optical mouse 6000 is not working . lsusb lists the device . What could be wrong?
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2560 [19:14:56] <fennesz> This is the output of lsusb : replaced-url
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2565 [19:16:46] <somiaj> fennesz: check either /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what xorg says about the mouse or dmesg to see if there are any issues with the linux kernel and the mouse. Usually if you unplug/plug the mouse in the messages shoudl appear at the end of both those logs
2566 [19:17:04] <somiaj> fennesz: you can also install xinput and see what it says about the mouse
2567 [19:17:10] <fennesz> ok let me check this somiaj
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2571 [19:18:58] <fennesz> somiaj, this is xorg log : replaced-url
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2574 [19:20:12] <somiaj> fennesz: other common issues I have with my wireless mouse. It isn't assoicated with the reciver correctly, sometimes I have to take out/put back in the batteries to get it to reassoicate with the hub, sometimes new batteries help.
2575 [19:20:34] <fennesz> somiaj, this is dmesg : replaced-url
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2578 [19:21:09] <fennesz> somiaj, I have tried these with no luck
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2580 [19:22:08] <fennesz> somiaj, ok will try with new batteries
2581 [19:22:15] <somiaj> most things look fine, since you didn't provide the whole xorg.log file maybe some stuff was missing. The one thing I notice is the last two lines, and something about "ignoring this device" but then a comment it could have been used by a driver elsewhere
2582 [19:22:34] <fennesz> yes this is what I also noticed
2583 [19:22:36] <somiaj> fennesz: what version of debian are you running?
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2585 [19:22:36] <rhizome> good nick fennesz
2586 [19:22:40] <fennesz> wait I am trying the new batteries
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2588 [19:22:46] <fennesz> ;)
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2591 [19:22:59] <greycat> 13:13 fennesz> Hello ! I ve just installed debian 8 64 with Gnome
2592 [19:23:10] <fennesz> somiaj, pff its working with new batteries
2593 [19:23:17] <rhizome> lol
2594 [19:23:19] <fennesz> what a shame :)
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2596 [19:23:35] <rhizome> no, what an easy fix. now you can go change the world
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2599 [19:23:42] <somiaj> fennesz: yea my wireless mouse works way better when I rember to change the batteries.
2600 [19:23:50] <fennesz> hahahah somiaj
2601 [19:24:00] <rhizome> this is why i stopped using cordless mice
2602 [19:24:16] <fennesz> wait its still working with the old batteries again
2603 [19:24:21] <fennesz> what the hell
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2605 [19:24:23] <cdb23ax> hello i have a huawei e3372h -153 usb lte stick and iam unable to install it under debian
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2607 [19:24:34] <cdb23ax> can someone tell me how to configure this one?
2608 [19:24:44] <somiaj> fennesz: sometimes just the act of unplugin/replugging the batteries makes it reassoicate with the reciver.
2609 [19:24:51] <rhizome> sometimes wiggling battery contacts or spinning them gets you a little extra juice. i'm not sure of the quantum mechanics behind this.
2610 [19:25:00] <fennesz> somiaj, yes I guess that was it
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2613 [19:25:20] <fennesz> somiaj, I am sure the old batteries were fine
2614 [19:25:25] <rhizome> cdb23ax: what do you mean by "unable?"
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2616 [19:25:44] <somiaj> fennesz: but when my batteries get low I find that I have to 'unplug them and replug them in' every day or so with my wireless mouse. But with new batteries I don't have to do that nearly as often until the batteries start to get low again.
2617 [19:25:47] <cdb23ax> rhizome: lsusb says that its in mass storage mode instead of modem mode
2618 [19:26:14] <rhizome> "not detected properly"
2619 [19:26:23] <fennesz> somiaj, ok will keep this in mind ! Thank you anyway :)
2620 [19:26:24] <somiaj> cdb23ax: go to the phone settings, you have to configure the usb mode from there, many phones have different options for the usb mode.
2621 [19:26:47] <cdb23ax> somiaj: its not a phone its a lte usb stick
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2625 [19:27:23] <rhizome> so many thoughts
2626 [19:27:32] <somiaj> cdb23ax: ahh, I thought you were trying to tether the phone. Those may require special drivers and include a small usb mass storage driver because the windows drivers are probably on the device.
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2630 [19:28:01] <somiaj> cdb23ax: could be linux just detects that small rom on the device and gives you access to that but you need to do somethign else to get it to work as a modem.
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2632 [19:28:20] <cdb23ax> i tried usb-modeswitch usb-modeswitch-data
2633 [19:28:24] <somiaj> cdb23ax: this is out of my experience, I just use my phones hotspot as that is 'easier' than teather in my experience in linux (sometimes the driver is proprioity and wont' work in linux)
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2635 [19:28:34] <cdb23ax> but after that step it said device was gone error
2636 [19:28:35] <rhizome> cdb23ax: did you read this thread already? replaced-url
2637 [19:28:42] <cdb23ax> and i didnt see it again in lsusb
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2639 [19:28:52] <GeneralStupid> Hi
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2641 [19:29:10] <GeneralStupid> i upgraded from old stable to stable and now i got "no init" at boot time
2642 [19:29:19] <GeneralStupid> is there a quick way to fix this?
2643 [19:29:27] <greycat> Was it on a VPS, or a real machine?
2644 [19:29:35] <GeneralStupid> real machine
2645 [19:29:44] <greycat> Hmm, then I don't know what would cause that.
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2654 [19:33:11] <dfcnvt> Good afternoon.
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2657 [19:33:36] <dfcnvt> I am currently on live distro (ubuntu) and was checking my audio. It work no problem.
2658 [19:33:59] <dfcnvt> Apparently, it's my Debian OS that have a misconfiguration in audio that don't work.
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2660 [19:34:44] <dfcnvt> I don't know how to get it fixed but let's me stay here on this live distro -- is there a way to grab a copy of audio config?
2661 [19:34:46] <cdb23ax> okay another question what do i need for a lte stick to work in debian?
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2665 [19:35:42] <greycat> dfcnvt: it's more likely to be the kernel/driver version than any "config"
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2667 [19:36:07] <greycat> dfcnvt: use lspci -nn and find the line for the audio device, and paste it here, including the PCI ID.
2668 [19:36:10] <cusco> what do you mean by misconfiguration? what does not work?
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2671 [19:36:40] <aiden> shell programming is harder than i though
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2674 [19:38:15] <aiden> #nothing
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2678 [19:39:28] <cdb23ax> it says replaced-url
2679 [19:39:36] <aiden> god dammit security breach in my linux system network
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2684 [19:42:52] <aiden> ah I think there is a hacker in my network
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2690 [19:44:38] <aiden> acrocity: hello
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2694 [19:46:04] <dfcnvt> I checked in /dev for dsp -- there are none.
2695 [19:46:05] <dfcnvt> replaced-url
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2698 [19:46:20] <greycat> lspci -nn and paste the line here.
2699 [19:46:27] <dfcnvt> Could this be the reason, a problem why it doesn't work with audio?
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2701 [19:46:48] <dfcnvt> greycat: Is that an instruction for me or for someone?
2702 [19:46:54] <greycat> You.
2703 [19:46:58] <dfcnvt> Oh, okay.
2704 [19:47:01] <JZA> hi I am running debian wheezy is there a way I can update python 3.5?
2705 [19:47:02] <greycat> 13:36 greycat> dfcnvt: use lspci -nn and find the line for the audio device, and paste it here, including the PCI ID.
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2708 [19:47:45] <JZA> should I get a debian repo for python latest?
2709 [19:47:55] <dfcnvt> greycat: replaced-url
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2711 [19:48:27] <greycat> 00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [1002:4383] (rev 40)
2712 [19:48:38] <greycat> judd, pciid 1002:4383
2713 [19:48:39] <judd> [1002:4383] is 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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2715 [19:48:56] <greycat> Hmm, judd thinks it should work....
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2717 [19:49:26] <greycat> JZA: Even jessie doesn't have python 3.5. Just install it from upstream source code in /usr/local and DO NOT screw around with packages for it.
2718 [19:49:36] <greycat> JZA: (or /opt or anywhere other than /usr)
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2721 [19:50:22] <JZA> greycat: why not packages? I thought python usually have python-3.5 different from python-3.2 for example
2722 [19:50:34] <greycat> Because there are no packages for python 3.5 that will work on wheezy.
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2725 [19:50:46] <dfcnvt> greycat: So, am I assuming correct, "sudo apt-get install snd-hda-intel"
2726 [19:50:53] <greycat> When you're THIS far off the Debian path, you're on your own. Just use /opt or /usr/local.
2727 [19:51:03] <JZA> seems there are packages experimental, replaced-url
2728 [19:51:12] <greycat> dfcnvt: it's not a pacakge. It's a driver that is included in the standard kernel.
2729 [19:51:15] <greycat> JZA: DO NOT TOUCH.
2730 [19:51:17] <JZA> ok
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2733 [19:51:41] <JZA> ok so build from source
2734 [19:51:47] <greycat> Experimental is worse than sid, and you're not even on CURRENT STABLE, let alone testing, let alone unstable/sid.
2735 [19:51:53] <dfcnvt> greycat: What's my action from here on?
2736 [19:52:10] <greycat> dfcnvt: Find out why the snd-hda-intel driver isn't working on jessie.
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2738 [19:52:30] <dfcnvt> reinstall the module then?
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2740 [19:52:49] <greycat> It should just be there/.
2741 [19:52:55] <greycat> Find out what's wrong. Look for errors.
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2743 [19:53:03] <greycat> !alsa checklist
2744 [19:53:04] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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2751 [19:54:53] <dfcnvt> How do I add audio group?
2752 [19:55:12] <greycat> Type "id" to see if you are already in it.
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2755 [19:55:24] <dfcnvt> Confirmed, I am.
2756 [19:55:31] <dfcnvt> 29(audio)
2757 [19:56:07] <dfcnvt> uid=1000(tagraf) gid=1000(tagraf) groups=1000(tagraf),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),113(lpadmin),115(scanner),119(bluetooth)
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2778 [20:05:25] <cdb23ax> ok the lte usb device shows up as Modem/Networkcard instead of mass storage
2779 [20:05:47] <dfcnvt> greycat: How do I use alsa to automatically reconfigure it or reset it to all default?
2780 [20:05:51] <cdb23ax> now i have a disabled wwan0 interface
2781 [20:05:56] <cdb23ax> can anyone help?
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2794 [20:12:35] <dfcnvt> FINALLY! Got it working.
2795 [20:12:46] <dfcnvt> Just had to download kmix then play with different config.
2796 [20:12:48] <dfcnvt> It worked.
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2805 [20:17:32] <FaTony> I'm making a package of a C++ header only library, now it obviously depends on libstdc++ headers, but how to I put dependencies? I see libstdc++5-dev and libstdc++6-dev on my system
2806 [20:17:59] <jelly> FaTony: libstdc++6-dev
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2809 [20:18:18] <FaTony> jelly, ok
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2813 [20:18:41] <jelly> FaTony: which debian release are you using?
2814 [20:18:53] <jelly> ,v libstdc++5-dev
2815 [20:18:54] <judd> No package named 'libstdc++5-dev' was found in amd64.
2816 [20:18:56] <jelly> ,v libstdc++6-dev
2817 [20:18:57] <judd> No package named 'libstdc++6-dev' was found in amd64.
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2820 [20:19:34] <FaTony> ,v libstdc++-6-dev
2821 [20:19:35] <judd> Package: libstdc++-6-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 6.1.1-4; sid: 6.1.1-5
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2825 [20:21:10] <FaTony> I'm on Testing
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2829 [20:21:54] <jelly> FaTony: then ask in
2830 [20:21:57] <jelly> !debian-next
2831 [20:21:58] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2833 [20:22:22] <jelly> I have no idea what the correct Depends is after the gcc5 migration
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2836 [20:22:48] <wewlad> FaTony: you like moiders?
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2842 [20:23:16] <FaTony> jelly, I'm pretty sure I don't use anything that is exclusive to g++6 or Debian Testing
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2846 [20:23:51] <FaTony> wewlad, what is it?
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2850 [20:24:11] <jelly> FaTony: I'm pretty sure the correct control file Depends for c++ dev package has changed between jessie and stretch.
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2853 [20:24:40] <McAndrew_> hi - anyone knows how to conn ulogd2 to mysql? its not running at me
2854 [20:24:42] <wewlad> FaTony: nvm, it's just fat tony is a character from Simpsons...
2855 [20:24:46] <jelly> FaTony: so yeah, if you're building on testing, your stuff won't work on jessie and vice versa
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2857 [20:24:56] <wewlad> and he speaks funnily
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2859 [20:25:06] <FaTony> wewlad, yeah, i took my nick from him
2860 [20:25:10] <jelly> compare:
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2862 [20:25:39] <jelly> ,depends libboost1.58-dev --release jessie
2863 [20:25:40] <judd> No package named 'libboost1.58-dev' was found in jessie/amd64.
2864 [20:25:44] <wewlad> FaTony: obsoive and kill.
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2867 [20:26:09] <jelly> sorry,
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2869 [20:26:19] <jelly> ,depends libboost1.55-dev --release jessie
2870 [20:26:20] <judd> Package libboost1.55-dev in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libstdc++-4.8-dev | libstdc++-dev.
2871 [20:26:25] <jelly> ,depends libboost1.58-dev --release stretch
2872 [20:26:26] <judd> Package libboost1.58-dev in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libstdc++-4.8-dev | libstdc++-dev.
2873 [20:26:31] <jelly> hah
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2876 [20:27:36] <jelly> curse you boost maintainers for ruining my point
2877 [20:27:41] <FaTony> hmm there doesn't seem to be a libstdc++-dev
2878 [20:27:47] <jelly> it's a virtual package.
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2880 [20:28:03] <jelly> other packages provide it
2881 [20:28:10] <FaTony> and it wouldn't show up in synaptic?
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2883 [20:28:26] <jelly> dunno, I don't use synaptic
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2892 [20:30:47] <jelly> judd: whatprovides libstdc++-dev --release stretch
2893 [20:30:51] <judd> Package libstdc++-dev in stretch/amd64 is provided by: libc++-dev, libstdc++-4.9-dev, libstdc++-5-dev, libstdc++-6-dev.
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2896 [20:31:37] <jelly> so you got one of each for llvm, gcc 4.9, 5.x and 6.x
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2898 [20:31:53] <jelly> that is their respective stdc++
2899 [20:32:05] <FaTony> can I just set libstdc++-dev as a dependency?
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2903 [20:33:01] <FaTony> hmm actually my lib will work fine in libc++ too
2904 [20:33:06] <cdb23ax> can someone please help me i have a lte e3372h-153 usb stick and debian recognize it as network device what now? the device is disabled and if i enable no effect
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2907 [20:33:12] <jelly> if it's a private package, sure. If you plan to publish or distribute it, then no, it'd be best to make it comply with debian policy
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2909 [20:34:22] <jelly> FaTony: are you sure you've managed to build a library in such a way that it works with different stdc++ ABIs?
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2911 [20:34:51] <cdb23ax> usbcore: registered new interface driver huawei_cdc_ncm
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2913 [20:34:56] <FaTony> jelly, it's header only, it's not built
2914 [20:35:00] <jelly> ah.
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2916 [20:35:10] <jelly> that's not a library at all! :-)
2917 [20:35:24] <FaTony> it is, it's just a -dev one
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2925 [20:36:39] <jelly> FaTony: a -dev package typically carries libfoo.a with all the symbols necessary to build (well, link) a binary against libfoo.so.soname
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2935 [20:40:17] <jelly> FaTony: if you plan to get this into debian some day, you probably want to read the maintainer's guide, it seems to have quite a bit about library packaging replaced-url
2936 [20:41:14] <awwal> Any idea on how to check if my laptop have support for real radio? if it have a radio card, radio tuner or ...I dont know how to call it :P
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2939 [20:41:50] <Wulf> awwal: laptop with radio tuner? what makes you think that yours may have one?
2940 [20:41:51] <FaTony> jelly, well I dunno, I'm just starting to learn all of this and have a public repo which I use 4 testing
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2942 [20:42:00] <GeneralStupid> i upgraded from old stable to stable and now i got "no init" at boot time
2943 [20:42:11] <mutante> awwal: you can probably buy that as a USB device
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2946 [20:42:56] <dude> Hello! .. I'm a bit stuck, google not really helping. I'm trying to connect my RPi3 (Rasbian Jessie) to a windows 7 Ad Hoc network. The Ad Hoc network is visable but it won't connect. I've tried with/without encryption WEP and WPA. Any help would be appreciated .. Crickets in #raspbian, thanks.
2947 [20:43:07] <awwal> Wulf, some thinkpad laptops have a radio tuner included. I dont know if my lenovo laptop have it. Thats why I asked!
2948 [20:43:25] <Wulf> awwal: check the data sheet
2949 [20:43:30] <awwal> mutante, yes, thinking in buy one , yes :P
2950 [20:43:57] <mutante> awwal: if not, i see that for like 10 bucks new on amazon, for example 8GB USB Flash Drive Mini MP3 Player.. with FM Radio
2951 [20:44:35] <awwal> Wulf, I have already did that, but wanted to be sure ...
2952 [20:44:44] <awwal> mutante, thanks , will check that
2953 [20:44:51] <mutante> btw, good idea, also like real FM on mobile instead of streaming. but its like they are trying hard to stop you from using it
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2959 [20:45:38] <jmcnaught> GeneralStupid: can you show us the error verbatim? does it happen right after grub? maybe take a picture?
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2966 [20:48:18] <jelly> dude: be that as it may, be patient and wait for a response in #raspbian -- this is a different enough distro and platform that we may not give optimal information for
2967 [20:48:22] <jelly> !raspbian
2968 [20:48:22] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
2969 [20:48:59] <cruncher> awwal, i never heard of any thinkpad with radio tuner included... where did you hear that?
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2976 [20:50:28] <dude> Ok, I'll do that. thanks :D
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2979 [20:51:24] <GeneralStupid> jmcnaught: i cant i dont have the machine right here.
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2981 [20:52:18] <jmcnaught> GeneralStupid: i guess you'll need to come back when you're ready to troubleshoot. it will help if you can provide details as well
2982 [20:52:36] <GeneralStupid> jmcnaught: what information could get you a picture?
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2984 [20:52:57] <awwal> cruncher, somewhere in the web :P Gentoo forums I think :P
2985 [20:53:20] <GeneralStupid> i mean, i just upgraded and now i have no init... that never happend to me in 10 years of using debian
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2987 [20:53:31] <H4ndy> My debian jessie box keeps losing IPv6 connectivity a few minutes after reboot, apparently it's "forgetting" it's default route, but I tried a lot solutions but nothing seems to fix that. the IP is static and setup in /etc/networking/interfaces
2988 [20:53:34] <GeneralStupid> and normally i really just use full-upgrade :D
2989 [20:53:38] <jmcnaught> GeneralStupid: it's helpful to know the exact error message, i suspect it says more than "no init". It would also be good to know if there were warnings or errors during the upgrades, and whether you followed the instructions in the release notes
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2993 [20:54:22] <Dagger> H4ndy: are you blocking any ICMPv6 at all?
2994 [20:54:37] <H4ndy> I have no firewall setup that I know of
2995 [20:54:57] <Dagger> H4ndy: are any of the v6 forwarding sysctls enabled? or any of the accept_ra sysctls disabled?
2996 [20:55:20] <GeneralStupid> jmcnaught: thats 100% mine: replaced-url
2997 [20:55:30] <Dagger> H4ndy: check `ip6tables -vnL` for any firewall
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3000 [20:56:10] <jmcnaught> GeneralStupid: was this an upgrade from wheezy to jessie?
3001 [20:56:14] <GeneralStupid> yes
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3003 [20:56:42] <jmcnaught> GeneralStupid: and you used aptitude for the upgrade? did you do something like attempt to block system with pinning?
3004 [20:57:02] <H4ndy> Dagger: replaced-url
3005 [20:57:25] <greycat> aptitude is not the recommended tool for a wheezy->jessie upgrade
3006 [20:57:27] <Dagger> H4ndy: so yeah, no firewall then
3007 [20:57:36] <GeneralStupid> jmcnaught: it should not block anything. i used aptitude dist-upgrade
3008 [20:57:48] <greycat> replaced-url
3009 [20:57:57] <jmcnaught> GeneralStupid: is this your error, or a picture that looks like yours? it looks like it's talking about kernel 4.1.6
3010 [20:58:11] <GeneralStupid> jmcnaught: it looks exactly like mine
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3014 [20:59:49] <jmcnaught> GeneralStupid: you will likely need to boot into a live disk and chroot into your debian partition to troubleshoot and fix the problem. it's a shame you used aptitude to upgrade instead of following the instructions in the release notes :/
3015 [20:59:54] <GeneralStupid> greycat: great, so if you lend me your time machine i could use apt-get instead
3016 [21:00:20] <H4ndy> Dagger: I have a "1" in the all/accept_ra configuration files
3017 [21:00:27] <H4ndy> so it should work :/
3018 [21:00:52] <H4ndy> Guess I should shoot a mail to my hosting provider, maybe it's a technical issue on their side
3019 [21:01:09] <GeneralStupid> jmcnaught: i would try to use /bin/bash as init. should work for fixing stuff -.-
3020 [21:01:12] <Dagger> H4ndy: what about forwarding? if forwarding is enabled, Linux will ignore RAs
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3022 [21:01:45] <H4ndy> its set to 0 on all and eth0
3023 [21:02:00] <Dagger> H4ndy: accept_ra is 1 on eth0 as well?
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3025 [21:02:05] <jmcnaught> GeneralStupid: give it a shot. debian installer CDs also have a rescue mode boot option, or a full-fledged live disk might be more handy for sharing pastebins
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3035 [21:03:29] <H4ndy> Dagger: it's 0, the other accept_ra_* are 1, except accept_ra_rt_info_max_plen. Shall I enable it there?
3036 [21:03:50] <Dagger> H4ndy: yes
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3040 [21:04:22] <H4ndy> do I need to reboot or can I just restart networking?
3041 [21:04:26] <Dagger> H4ndy: the .all. and .ifname. branches in sysctl interact in weird and wonderful (and setting-specific) ways, but for accept_ra I suspect it has to be enabled for both to work
3042 [21:04:38] <H4ndy> fair enough
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3047 [21:04:53] <snfgf> how do i install a .deb?
3048 [21:04:53] <Dagger> H4ndy: you can just wait, or `ifdown eth0; ifup eth0`
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3050 [21:05:09] <Dagger> (`service networking restart` has been deprecated for a long time)
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3054 [21:05:40] <Dagger> H4ndy: you might need to work out why it's being set to 0 though. the Linux default is 1
3055 [21:05:45] <H4ndy> yeah I was using debian 5 and 6 too long before switching too Jessie
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3057 [21:05:55] <GeneralStupid> jmcnaught: thanks, i think i need to give it a try. iam just sad how bad smthg. i used to love works nowadays. from 2007 to 2010 i administered ~50 debian installations and never hat such problems.
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3060 [21:06:04] <H4ndy> not sure, I was using the minimal image for the initial config
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3065 [21:06:41] <H4ndy> OK, the ip -6 route looks much better now
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3068 [21:06:57] <H4ndy> "default via fe80::1 dev eth0 proto ra metric 1024 expires 1694sec hoplimit 64"
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3070 [21:07:06] <jmcnaught> GeneralStupid: i don't think very many people had this problem. the upgrade instructions call for using apt-get, not aptitude. it's hard to say what else went wrong without seeing a transcript of your upgrade. anyways don't blame the tools and good luck :)
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3072 [21:07:25] <H4ndy> Let's wait 1700 seconds and see if it works :) Thanks a lot in the meantime, Dagger
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3091 [21:11:26] <Akuw> i am getting ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
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3093 [21:11:41] <Akuw> when try to open one web page
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3097 [21:12:25] <Akuw> so i check doing ping from one of my computer, then i got one ip, then i ping from the computer that can't open page and got diferent ip
3098 [21:12:25] <jhutchins> Akuw: The server you are trying to reach is rejecting your connection.
3099 [21:12:36] <greycat> ping does not mean their httpd is up and responding
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3101 [21:12:52] <Akuw> yes, from the other pc i can see the web page
3102 [21:12:54] <jhutchins> Akuw: Many servers have more than one IP/DNS entry.
3103 [21:12:57] <greycat> Connection refused could be coming from the remote host, or from some router/firewall in between.
3104 [21:13:12] <Akuw> but public ip
3105 [21:13:26] <jhutchins> Akuw: Check your DNS settings.
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3107 [21:13:35] <Akuw> if that is the case then any computer from my network can't see
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3110 [21:13:41] <greycat> *sigh*
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3112 [21:14:08] <Akuw> resolv.conf ?
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3118 [21:15:15] <greycat> "My debian ___ box running ___ browser gets connection refused when I go to ____ URL. So I did 'dig hostname' and it resolves to ___ IP, and I tried 'telnet hostname 80' and it says ___"
3119 [21:15:31] <greycat> Funny how not a single one of those blanks has been occupied yet.
3120 [21:15:42] <Akuw> ok, in the windows pc dns server is 192.168.1.1
3121 [21:15:47] <Akuw> that pc can see page
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3123 [21:15:52] <greycat> And windows is involved somehow. Oy vey.
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3125 [21:16:04] <mutante> and the home router is the DNS server , heh
3126 [21:16:14] <Akuw> in linux pc nameserver 192.168.1.1
3127 [21:16:16] <greycat> Does the hostname resolve to the same IP on both clients?
3128 [21:16:33] <greycat> Did you telnet to port 80 of the hostname from Linxu?
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3130 [21:16:47] <greycat> Did you try a different web browser?
3131 [21:17:02] <Akuw> yes
3132 [21:17:02] <greycat> Did you try disabling whatever godawful "EZ FIREWOL LOL" product you installed?
3133 [21:17:16] <Akuw> i have no firewall
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3136 [21:17:28] <Akuw> that is the problem
3137 [21:17:37] <greycat> "My debian ___ box running ___ browser gets connection refused when I go to ____ URL. So I did 'dig hostname' and it resolves to ___ IP, and I tried 'telnet hostname 80' and it says ___"
3138 [21:17:51] <Akuw> when i ping from windows pc i got an diferent ip and linux another
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3140 [21:18:01] <greycat> Aha! Then there is something afoot.
3141 [21:18:11] <greycat> Dig (no pun intended) deeper into the DNS configurations.
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3146 [21:19:02] <mutante> Akuw: what device is 192.168.1.1
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3148 [21:19:13] <Akuw> wifi router
3149 [21:19:20] <Akuw> but i can see any webpage
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3152 [21:19:49] <Akuw> i can't see only one page, but everything else is ok
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3164 [21:23:26] <mutante> Akuw: i'd try and see what happens if you dont use 192.168.1.1 but some public DNS server , like 8.8.8.8 or something
3165 [21:23:41] <Akuw> wait
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3167 [21:23:59] <Akuw> after change resolv.conf what i have to do ?
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3169 [21:24:34] <greycat> Reload the page in the browser.
3170 [21:24:59] <mutante> maybe while holding the shift key
3171 [21:25:13] <greycat> And/or rerun the dig/host/nslookup/ping commands to see if the resolution looks better.
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3176 [21:26:57] <Akuw> nothing
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3178 [21:27:12] <Akuw> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
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3183 [21:28:10] <Akuw> now ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
3184 [21:28:38] <Akuw> same problem
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3193 [21:31:20] <Akuw> WINDOWS PC (can see page) IP: 158.69.x.x LINUX PC (CAN"T SEE PAGE) IP: 158.69.a.b
3194 [21:31:31] <Akuw> the last 2 are diferents
3195 [21:31:34] <Akuw> :S
3196 [21:31:53] <Akuw> doing ping from same network, both using same wifi router
3197 [21:31:53] <greycat> Why is this such a fucking secret?
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3199 [21:32:12] <Akuw> greycat: heheheheheh
3200 [21:32:14] <greycat> Nobody can verify ANYTHING you are saying because you have obfuscated EVERY damned etail.
3201 [21:32:23] <Akuw> realx
3202 [21:32:27] <Akuw> relax
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3207 [21:32:56] <Akuw> 158.69.116.66 and 158.69.52.78
3208 [21:33:29] <greycat> 66.116.69.158.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer cloud.8ssi.com.
3209 [21:33:34] <Akuw> hosting provider says is my browser
3210 [21:33:37] <greycat> presumably that's not the actual domain you're looking up though
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3212 [21:33:50] <Akuw> domain is replaced-url
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3214 [21:34:19] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ dig @8.8.8.8 +short replaced-url
3215 [21:34:19] <greycat> linuxsolutions.com.ve.
3216 [21:34:19] <greycat> 158.69.116.66
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3218 [21:34:38] <greycat> You're saying that when you look up that hostname using 8.8.8.8 as your resolver, you get a different answer?
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3220 [21:35:31] <Akuw> no
3221 [21:35:44] <Akuw> using 192.168.1.1 is the same problem
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3224 [21:36:19] <greycat> what do you get for: dig @8.8.8.8 +short replaced-url
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3230 [21:36:43] <Akuw> 158.69.116.66
3231 [21:36:58] <Akuw> from linux pc (can't see page)
3232 [21:37:00] <greycat> OK. Maybe your browser is caching old DNS or something. Try closing the browser completely and re-launching it.
3233 [21:37:19] <greycat> (With 8.8.8.8 still in your resolv.conf file)
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3235 [21:38:05] <Akuw> i open chromium replaced-url
3236 [21:38:18] <Akuw> first i deleted history
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3239 [21:39:44] <jmcnaught> Akuw: in firefox you can go to "about:networking" to see the DNS it has cached and how long until it expires
3240 [21:39:53] <Akuw> ok
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3245 [21:40:53] <Akuw> i can se it
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3247 [21:41:21] <Akuw> now?
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3249 [21:41:32] <greycat> The old DNS probably times out.
3250 [21:41:35] <greycat> timed*
3251 [21:42:23] <Akuw> what about this replaced-url
3252 [21:42:31] <Akuw> to clean local dns cache
3253 [21:42:52] <Akuw> wait please, i'll be back
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3271 [21:49:59] <xok> hello all...
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3275 [21:50:38] <xok> I want to setup my system so that when it boots there is a window (cli, not GUI) which shows some functions and want to be able execute some commands...
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3278 [21:51:10] <greycat> Execution of commands implies an auto-login so that there is some UID/GID to run them as.
3279 [21:51:11] <xok> Actually, I plan to use xdialog for this, but I am not sure how to setup it so that it is shown upon system boot..
3280 [21:51:12] <aix> you want to be dropped into a tty
3281 [21:51:24] <greycat> He wants an auto-login on tty1.
3282 [21:51:26] <xok> greycat: yes, is that possible?..
3283 [21:51:32] <aix> of course
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3286 [21:52:44] <greycat> dpkg's autologin factoid only talks about gdm/kdm, not console stuff.
3287 [21:52:46] <teraflops> xdialog is for xorg?
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3290 [21:53:10] <greycat> Oh, if he wants X then ... maybe he *does* want the gdm3 crap.
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3292 [21:53:38] <jelly> kdm crap is the best crap!
3293 [21:53:46] <xok> greycat: no, I don't need that kind of crap... ;-D
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3296 [21:54:16] <xok> thanks guys, you were absolutely right, all I wanted is an "auto login" feature... :D
3297 [21:54:24] <greycat> On console, or in X?
3298 [21:54:26] <xok> somehow I was trying wrong keywords... :D
3299 [21:54:34] <xok> on console...
3300 [21:54:46] <xok> the system is missing an X completely...
3301 [21:55:27] <greycat> replaced-url
3302 [21:55:29] <teraflops> xok: this way works in debian jessie (I've tested it myself)
3303 [21:55:31] <teraflops> replaced-url
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3305 [21:55:40] <greycat> Arch has the best wiki.
3306 [21:57:20] <xok> thank you very much guys... 8-)
3307 [21:57:27] <xok> greycat: better than Gentoo?... :-|
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3310 [21:57:47] <greycat> I never see gentoo results when I google how to do things.
3311 [21:57:57] <greycat> I see Arch #1, and Ubuntu (sadly) #2.
3312 [21:58:16] <H4ndy> Dagger: Same problem as before, the default route vanishes after the announce time runs out :(
3313 [21:58:26] <xok> Well, I'd say they may be have a better SEO...
3314 [21:58:31] <Dagger> H4ndy: is accept_ra still set to 1?
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3316 [21:59:17] <H4ndy> Dagger: accept_ra of eth0 is back to 0
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3319 [22:00:36] <Dagger> H4ndy: this is why I said you might need to work out why it's set to 0 :p
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3322 [22:00:53] <H4ndy> yeah true, any idea where to look? default/accept_ra is 1
3323 [22:01:10] <Dagger> H4ndy: try `grep -R accept_ra /etc` maybe
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3326 [22:01:54] <Dagger> or if you have network-manager or systemd-networkd then... well. "burn them with fire" usually seems like the best option for those
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3332 [22:05:09] <H4ndy> hmm
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3342 [22:09:17] <awwal> Does 'xmms2tray' have the ability to control 'xmms2-cleient-cli' ?
3343 [22:09:32] <awwal> xmms2-client-cli ^
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3346 [22:09:47] <simonlnu> try it?
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3348 [22:10:01] <greycat> I should imagine it controls the xmms2 daemon, not the xmms2 terminal client.
3349 [22:10:11] <greycat> The terminal client also controls the daemon.
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3354 [22:10:31] <awwal> simonlnu, hehe, ofcourse but tired removing and trying :P
3355 [22:10:41] <awwal> greycat, nice reflexion +1
3356 [22:10:52] <greycat> What do you even mean by "control xmms2-client-cli"?
3357 [22:10:56] <simonlnu> O_o
3358 [22:11:53] <awwal> mean run the cli frontend in tty but be able to control it with via the tray icon whithout having to switch to tty all the time :)
3359 [22:11:56] <greycat> Speaking of xmms2, the scrobbler broke when last.fm changed their protocol with no backward compatibility, and they still don't have an Opus player.
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3363 [22:12:22] <greycat> Why would you run the terminal client AND the tray client? Just pick one.
3364 [22:12:29] * simonlnu gave up on last.fm ages ago
3365 [22:12:41] <H4ndy> Dagger: Im gonna dig a bit more and will let you know
3366 [22:12:43] <greycat> I gave up as soon as I realized the scrobbler was broken and they didn't care.
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3370 [22:13:15] <simonlnu> they don't have much native american stuff, and always overwrote what i did put in as tags.
3371 [22:13:30] <awwal> greycat, wise reflexion, you right . installing both so and run one of them when needed.
3372 [22:13:36] <awwal> excuse my dumb question :P
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3374 [22:14:03] <awwal> last.fm in no longer free , except in us and germany?
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3376 [22:14:17] <greycat> don'tknowdon'tcare
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3378 [22:14:49] <awwal> a few years ago it became like $3 /month subscription
3379 [22:15:18] <greycat> I have a WM-sticky 80x2 rxvt window in which I run xmms2 current -r 1 to show me what's playing, and I bound some Ctrl-Shift-Foo key combos to play/pause/stop/back/forward. It's good enough for me.
3380 [22:15:24] <greycat> Except they should have an Opus player.
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3382 [22:16:34] <awwal> wmxmms2 is nice to for all that
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3390 [22:20:58] <greycat> 29 Sep 22:13 2012 Available in xmms2-devel now.
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3392 [22:22:02] <greycat> I guess it takes 'em 4 years to get a new version out.
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3394 [22:24:03] <grimsley> not to be rude but people still use xmms ?
3395 [22:24:13] <greycat> xmms2 is a completely different thing
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3408 [22:29:06] <theseb> are pbuilder and backportpackage to install NEWER package than is normally allowed for a distro?
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3411 [22:29:42] <theseb> i built libcrypto++ that way....if i wanted to undo the damage possible to purge this backported thingie and go back to "normal" ?
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3436 [22:38:19] <Somelauw> My figlet and toilet are missing basic fonts such as "standard". I tried installing figlet-fonts, but I'm still missing them.
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3440 [22:40:41] <Somelauw> oh, nvm backports have fixed it
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3448 [22:45:33] <lmw> Where can I find ISOs for Debian 7.11 ?
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3451 [22:46:22] <ciobi> try here replaced-url
3452 [22:48:08] <jmcnaught> lmw: if you already have a wheezy ISO the 7.11 release won't be that different, and if networking is available during installation the installer will update packages anyways
3453 [22:48:32] <jmcnaught> lmw: at this point you really should be installing debian 8. debian 7 support is limited to LTS now
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3459 [22:50:15] <lmw> jmcnaught: sure, and thanks for you recommendation, but I'd like to testing some stuff on it, and I still miss my 7.x ISO in my collection o.O
3460 [22:50:15] <jelly> lmw: wait a day or two or use 7.10 images
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3465 [22:51:06] <ripero> Hello, browsing bugs.debian.org I've noticed that #826301 and #826369 are duplicates of #814316; how can I report it?
3466 [22:51:07] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3468 [22:51:50] <Cyclohexane> why does find -L . -name '*.php' -print0 | xargs -0 -n 1 -P 4 php -l | grep -v '^No syntax errors detected' ; echo $? -eq 1 always return 1 despite no syntax error messages?
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3470 [22:52:19] <Cyclohexane> forget the -eq 1 bit on the end
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3505 [23:05:42] <pflanze> Hello. Is it possible to develop iOS apps using Debian?
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3509 [23:06:37] <theseb> pflanze: check out kivy
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3511 [23:07:42] <ryouma> Cyclohexane: maybe the -v?
3512 [23:07:50] <pflanze> theseb, you mean, develop in Python?
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3516 [23:08:13] <beagleboner> hello
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3520 [23:08:46] <pflanze> theseb, I'd prefer to develop in ObjC or Swift for better performance, but perhaps I should consider Python; but then I thought Apple didn't allow interpreters?
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3537 [23:15:28] <Lionyx> Is it possible to install a Java_Enabled elinks package from Debian repo? Using Jessie 8.5 here. Tks
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3564 [23:28:42] <jhutchins> pflanze: Most linux-supported OSS can be installed on OSX one way or another.
3565 [23:28:58] <jhutchins> pflanze: Not sure if that extends to IOS, probably not as easy.
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3571 [23:30:40] <axc1298> is a reboot required after upgrading from 8.4 to 8.5? i didn't see any linux update
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3573 [23:31:06] <MadHatter42> check repos and check dist-upgrade
3574 [23:31:18] <MadHatter42> but I dont think so
3575 [23:31:54] <axc1298> there was a dpkg update though
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3579 [23:32:45] <petn-randall> axc1298: If you're unsure, install needrestart, and it'll tell you if you need to restart. It's only every relevant for kernels, or maybe init. Everything else can be restarted without reboot.
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3582 [23:33:41] <axc1298> petn-randall: alright thanks
3583 [23:33:54] <axc1298> i heard glibc requires a reboot too. or at least strongly recommended
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3587 [23:34:51] <petn-randall> axc1298: Depends. But to take out the hard work, needrestart will do all that for you and tell you :)
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3589 [23:35:12] <zykotick9> petn-randall: thanks. needrestart is like checkrestart (from debian-goodies) with kernel support.
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3592 [23:36:26] <petn-randall> zykotick9: Yeah, it also catches many more corner cases like containers, etc.
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3597 [23:38:07] <jhutchins> axc1298: dpkg update wouldn't require a reboot.
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3599 [23:39:04] <Akuw> if i do nslookup to replaced-url
3600 [23:39:15] <jhutchins> axc1298: If something doesn't run continously as a daemon, it doesn't need to be restarted. THe new files will be used next time it's called. If it is a daemon, the daemon might need to be restarted (the install often does this).
3601 [23:39:20] <Akuw> why?
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3604 [23:39:58] <petn-randall> Akuw: It's called round-robin DNS: replaced-url
3605 [23:40:07] <jhutchins> axc1298: Modules can often be reloaded on a live system, so that pretty much leaves just the kernel, and possibly systemd. There have been projects to patch a live, running kernel without rebooting.
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3607 [23:41:02] <axc1298> cool
3608 [23:41:23] <axc1298> i don't even have a server it's just my laptop. but i was curious
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3613 [23:43:12] <jhutchins> axc1298: One of the nice things about linux is you can upgrade when you want, and postpone the reboot indefinitely.
3614 [23:43:32] <petn-randall> jhutchins: You shouldn't, though :)
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3619 [23:44:32] <jhutchins> petn-randall: Right, but on a workstation you can upgrade during the day and just shut down when you're done; on a server you can schedule a reboot for over night.
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3623 [23:46:33] * petn-randall mumbles something about other OSes doing a surprise upgrade during a live stream with 130k followers.
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3629 [23:48:48] <axc1298> lol
3630 [23:49:06] <axc1298> all the sudden, windows 10
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3633 [23:50:50] <petn-randall> no one expects the spanish inquisi^W^WWindows 10.
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3640 [23:53:24] <WormFood> They say, after the Windows 10 upgrade cut-off date, they won't give out free Windows 10 upgrades anymore. Hopefully after that, they'll quit trying to force it down your throats. (unlikely)
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3642 [23:54:50] <WormFood> Are there any tools in Debian, that'd allow me to change the default audio track, or perhaps even remove an audio track, without recoding the video portion of the data stream? (I expect this answer would depend on the video format)
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3644 [23:55:41] <axc1298> there's one that can do that called mkvtoolsnix, assuming it's mkv
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3646 [23:55:51] <axc1298> you can remove audio tracks
3647 [23:55:58] <Brigo> avidemux perhaps?
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3653 [23:58:02] <teraflops> axc1298: ffmpeg to the rescue, without transcoding try mkvtoolnix
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3655 [23:58:14] <teraflops> it has a gui (iirc)
3656 [23:58:29] <teraflops> ,v mkvtoolnix
3657 [23:58:30] <judd> Package: mkvtoolnix on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.7.0-1; wheezy: 5.6.0-1; jessie: 7.3.0-1; jessie-multimedia: 7.8.0-0.0; sid: 9.1.0-1; stretch: 9.1.0-1
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3659 [23:59:23] <axc1298> yea the gui is mkvtoolnix-gui
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3661 [23:59:36] <teraflops> axc1298: ah yes and sorry it was for WormFood
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3663 [23:59:39] <teraflops> ^
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