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15[00:04:00] <vegenaise> hi irc. anyone available for a sec to help a noob troubleshoot a sound issue with my x220?
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18[00:04:43] <TomTomTosch> there are 1.6k people just waiting for your question :P
19[00:05:03] <juan1> /names
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21[00:05:30] <juan1> 1.6k wow! is true!
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26[00:05:58] <Brigo> juantelez, you can start here: replaced-url
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30[00:08:20] <juantelez> Thaks, Brigo
31[00:08:35] <juantelez> vegenaise: you can start here: replaced-url
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33[00:09:02] <Brigo> juantelez, sorry dude :D
34[00:09:13] <juantelez> Brigo: No problem. :D}
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37[00:09:56] <vegenaise> thanks juantelez, i'll give that a look
38[00:10:23] <juantelez> vegenaise: Thank Brigo
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41[00:10:44] <vegenaise> thanks Brigo!
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43[00:11:09] <Brigo> vegenaise, :D
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50[00:17:32] <vegenaise> following that link, trying to identify my hardware w/ aplay, don't have the necessary package installed. does anyone know its name so i can find it with synaptic?
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52[00:20:12] <Brigo> vegenaise, alsa-utils
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55[00:21:21] <vegenaise> ty Brigo!
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155[01:27:24] <BinBasher> getting [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver on bumblebee-nvidia, I applied the troubleshooting steps and still no result. Am I missing something?
156[01:27:28] <malf> In reference to my earlier radeon problems I did finally get something working. Went into my BIOS and disabled the secondary graphics card that's used for an external monitor and after that the radeon driver seems to be working.
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158[01:28:57] <malf> So it seems like either doesn't like whatever the BIOS does to optionally enable/disable that card or it can't deal with the fact that the two cards inside the machine are different versions (and probably require different code paths from the driver). But I'm happy enough without the external monitor for now.
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190[01:51:53] <awwal> My debian i386 system has around 400 gb free disk space and decided to shrink it and installed debian amd64 alongside it and decided to share the swap. Is it a good idea share swap?
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193[01:54:11] <KhazAkar> I can't see any problem with it
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195[01:54:47] <jim> how can I find out which filesystem types are supported? something like mkfs -t help?
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197[01:55:05] <awwal> good to know , KhazAkar
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203[01:57:13] <awwal> All has gone just fine and both arch's coexist and share the swap just fine :)
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210[02:02:28] <awwal> But i had a trouble with the i386 system swap uuid. fixed it editing fstab file and changing the swap uuid
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212[02:04:10] <awwal> Why the fstab file isn't updated automatically by 'i dont know what' or why the new swap uuid isn't detected by the "old" system?
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214[02:04:36] <awwal> preexisting debian system ^
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217[02:07:56] <teraflops> awwal: uuid changes when formatting or repartitioning a drive, so I guess it's fine
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222[02:09:20] <awwal> teraflops, ok :)
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228[02:11:03] <ex-parrot> anyone know what's happened to linux-image-4.4.0-1-grsec-amd64 in jessie-backports?
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230[02:12:29] <markybob> ex-parrot: it became 4.5
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232[02:12:47] <markybob> ex-parrot: replaced-url
233[02:13:06] <ex-parrot> woo
234[02:13:15] <teraflops> time flies!
235[02:13:21] <ex-parrot> the linux-image-grsec-amd64 package sitll depends on 4.4
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246[02:19:56] <wiml> How do I make ifup bring up a logical interface at boot? I have a USB wifi interface on a beaglebone, and I can bring it up with "ifup wlan0=my_config_name", but I can't get it o do the right thing at boot time.
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253[02:21:32] <preta> hello
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255[02:22:08] <preta> spanish?
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262[02:23:10] <awwal> preta, para español #debian-es aquí en inglés solamente :P
263[02:23:19] <preta> gracias
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285[02:35:50] <andril> hello
286[02:36:09] <andril> anyone experiencing issues with freezing of gnome-shell
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288[02:36:58] <mandd_2> on start? got firewall?
289[02:37:47] <andril> just doing random things i notice Plank stops updating then the window i am using is not responding but the mouse moves - no click
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293[02:38:10] <mandd_2> wireless mouse?
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295[02:38:25] <andril> laptop, no wireless
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300[02:39:47] <mandd_2> nothing in logs?
301[02:41:03] <andril> too n00b for logs - how can i do that
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304[02:43:18] <mandd_2> in terminal, #sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog and just leave terminal window running someplace visible, next time it freezes.. perhaps it will write it to log and you'll see
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312[02:49:59] <vaq> Hi, I got a file containing char \t (not an actual TAB delimiter) how can I remove those?
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314[02:50:38] <jmcnaught> vaq: in the filename or inside the file?
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316[02:50:53] <vaq> jmcnaught: inside the file
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318[02:51:35] <jmcnaught> if it's just a single character are you having trouble deleting it with a text editor?
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321[02:52:13] <vaq> jmcnaught: it's not a single char, file contains a lot of them
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324[02:53:28] <jmcnaught> vaq: if you can construct a pattern that matches it you can use sed to search and replace, or :%s in vim
325[02:53:30] <vaq> I tried tr -d " \t" but tr thinks is a real tab it should delete and not the car
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329[02:54:46] <jmcnaught> vaq: is it two characters, a backslash and then a 't'?
330[02:55:04] <vaq> jmcnaught: \t
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333[02:55:45] <jmcnaught> vaq: yes so you said. perhaps you could provide a sample line
334[02:56:02] <vaq> that is the sample line.
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337[02:58:50] <jmcnaught> vaq: so did you try something like "sed -i 's/\\t//' file"?
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373[03:21:49] <awwal> 8.5 is ready :P
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375[03:22:04] <mandd_2> ++
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379[03:23:02] <mandd_2> who's responsible for hosting debian wiki?
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381[03:23:43] <awwal> I always have been suspicious about chromium leaving a lot of browsing history even if deleted when exiting the app or using bleachbit or similar pkgs .... 'synapse' confirms that :(
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383[03:24:07] <mandd_2> I always have been suspicious about chromium.
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385[03:24:43] <markybob> mandd_2: #debian-replaced-url
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387[03:27:36] <mandd_2> thanks markybob, issue already on mailing list :(
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392[03:29:37] <letsfindout> so I was using touch to set files to a specific timestamp, but it only changes the "access" and "modify" timestamps, not the "change" timestamp? how can I set that one?
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430[04:10:31] <awwal> How to make 'ncdu' delete files/directories sending them to trash instead of deleting them definitely?
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433[04:13:16] <c-c> ncurses, you probably cant do that for delete
434[04:13:35] <c-c> awwal: is there a reason you dont simply move the files to trash?
435[04:13:35] <jmcnaught> awwal: i don't use ncdu, but does it have a move feature?
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438[04:14:39] <c-c> letsfindout: modify the file
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441[04:16:03] <awwal> jmcnaught, no it doesn't have the move feature. but it's an very interesting if it had it !
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443[04:16:49] <awwal> jmcnaught, ncdu is very good utility, you may want to try it :)
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448[04:19:31] <jmcnaught> awwal: to be honest if du isn't working for me i usually just use baobab
449[04:19:31] <awwal> its more confortable and efficient browse Home with it then with x file manager
450[04:20:56] <awwal> jmcnaught, I use du too, but I just find that ncruses frontend clean and more user friendly when no much time :P
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460[04:25:02] <letsfindout> c-c: I want to set it to a specific time
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470[04:30:11] <awwal> c-c, I use 'ncdu' almost when I'm out of disk space , find which files/dirs occupy more space then delete the undesired stuff. delete/move is just if any keyboard error
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472[04:30:32] <awwal> delete/move to trash ^
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480[04:36:01] <atralheaven1> quick question, to kill a process by its name, I should use "pkill" right?
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483[04:37:59] <somiaj> atralheaven1: that is one way
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485[04:38:51] <piercedwater> i use kill -9 #
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487[04:40:09] <jmcnaught> piercedwater: after just "kill #" doesn't work?
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489[04:40:21] <piercedwater> well, i should elaborate
490[04:40:32] <piercedwater> ps aux | grep application-name
491[04:40:40] <atralheaven1> thanks
492[04:40:41] <piercedwater> then find the process number, then "kill -9 #"
493[04:40:53] <piercedwater> replacing # with the process number
494[04:40:56] <piercedwater> np
495[04:41:01] <jmcnaught> piercedwater: you should try killing it without -9 first
496[04:41:09] <piercedwater> ah ok
497[04:41:19] <piercedwater> good to know
498[04:41:32] <piercedwater> gotta make sure my killer instincts are correct ;)
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502[04:42:48] <jmcnaught> piercedwater: kill without -9 sends SIGTERM which the program and hopefully receive and have a chance to stop gracefully, close files, release resources etc
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506[04:43:21] <piercedwater> i will start doing that then
507[04:43:22] <jmcnaught> piercedwater: kill -9 sends SIGKILL which is sudden death
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518[04:56:16] <Gaiseric> Heh, did Debian 8.5 just come out?
519[04:56:18] <Gaiseric> :D
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521[04:56:54] <vekxie> hi
522[04:57:35] <awwal> Gaiseric, seems yeah.
523[04:57:43] <awwal> check debian news
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525[04:57:47] <vekxie> i installed openbox and tint2 as a panel, but when i put: tint2 & in the .config/openbox/autostart file, tint2 doesn't start when i log in. Why?
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528[05:00:00] <somiaj> vekxie: does it work if you run it from a console? Do you need a full path. I'd suggest asking in an openbox channel
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530[05:01:09] <vekxie> somiaj, i can launch it in a terminal yes.
531[05:01:23] <cluelessperson> Hi there, audacity doesn't seem to work for me
532[05:01:28] <cluelessperson> Does anyone know why?
533[05:01:55] <jeep> cluelessperson: yes most likely something not configured properly
534[05:02:20] <nedstark> #ubuntu probably knows why
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536[05:03:03] <Horachi> hey, so after i updated to 8.5 my sound suddenly stopped working
537[05:03:13] <Horachi> alsamixer is showing its at full volume
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540[05:03:32] <nedstark> install pulse audio volume control, it's better
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542[05:04:44] <SQL> Any suggestions for an easy-to-setup web based LDAP manager that would run on Debian? Nothing but trouble out of fusion or lam.
543[05:04:55] <Horachi> nedstark: that would be pavucontrol, right?
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545[05:05:16] <awwal> Whats the goal of 'slim' and 'wdm' not allowing poweroff? lets halt/reboot but not poweroff. I dont get it :P
546[05:05:58] <nedstark> yes
547[05:06:36] <awwal> almost wdm, slim allows poweroff as root
548[05:07:26] <Horachi> wow
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550[05:07:39] <Horachi> that fixed it immediately nedstark
551[05:07:40] <Horachi> ty
552[05:07:48] <Gaiseric> awwal: I've long stopped believing Linux DEs are reasonable user interfaces, I now just enjoy them for what they are.
553[05:07:54] <Horachi> any ideas why the update killed alsamixer though?
554[05:08:07] * Gaiseric recalls Gnome 3 as the starting point of that
555[05:08:35] <awwal> Gaiseric, :P
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557[05:09:50] <awwal> Horachi, have you rebooted after updating?
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559[05:10:00] <Horachi> yeah
560[05:10:59] <awwal> Horachi, not sure so
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563[05:11:52] <Horachi> hmm
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565[05:12:47] <awwal> sometimes (if no reboot) X process, library...became obsolete after an update and may stop stuff. 'needrestart' pkg is very useful in that case
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568[05:13:53] <Horachi> ty awwal
569[05:13:58] <somiaj> sometimes reboots can cause issues with audio cards when drivers are loaded in a differnt order
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572[05:15:53] <cluelessperson> jeep, That's helpful. the question is if debian doesn anything weird
573[05:15:59] <Horachi> I do quite like pulseaudio a lot more than alsa already
574[05:16:11] <Horachi> alsa made my speakers sound so low
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576[05:16:51] <nedstark> pulse sits on top on alsa
577[05:16:59] <nedstark> pulse audio makes alsa great again
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582[05:23:18] <awwal> cluelessperson, that can happen of course. but debian is a free community project, anyone can help for make things better... Every time we login into Console we all see "Debian gnu/linux comes with absolutely no warranty" :P
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585[05:25:24] <shadows> nedstark: so... pulse audio is the donald trump to alsa's america?
586[05:25:27] <shadows> so confused.
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590[05:26:49] <markybob> shadows: how the fuck are we supposed to know what you mean? don't bring politics and off topic shit into this
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598[05:30:28] <jeep> cluelessperson: yeah i know run the mixer from/ sound program from a terminal might be able to get a error message to narrow it down
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605[05:36:03] <somiaj> alsa is the set of sound drivers for the linux kernel. pulseaudio is an audo tool on top of alsa that many desktops use.
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610[05:37:45] <cluelessperson> Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
611[05:37:45] <cluelessperson> Cannot connect to server request channel
612[05:37:45] <cluelessperson> jack server is not running or cannot be started
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615[05:38:23] <somiaj> what software is this. Jack is an older sound server that i don't see used much anymore. Could it be y ou have to configure the software to use somethign else?
616[05:39:12] <jmcnaught> jack is commonly used for audio production because it's lowlatency and lets you pipe audio between tools
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620[05:39:43] <somiaj> I also think you can install it in debian, I just don't hear about it much anymore
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624[05:41:22] <foreverska> is .xinitrc still a thing? I put one on my debian VM but it doesn't seem to work
625[05:41:27] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: audacity on jessie doesn't depend on jack. does it run okay for a different user, or if you temporarily move its config directory?
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643[05:48:51] <somiaj> foreverska: debian prefers .xsession, .xinitrc is only read by xinit and I think the standard wrappers in debian (including displaymanagers) read .xsession isntead
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682[06:04:06] <Gaiseric> Strange, in the past reinstalling flashplugin-nonfree would download the latest version with wget during the installation, but this doesn't happen right now? (Firefox complains that my installed version of the plugin is vulnerable)
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684[06:05:36] <jmcnaught> Gaiseric: that package has an "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" command that is supposed to get the newest version, but Adobe often changes the URL scheme
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687[06:06:20] <jmcnaught> i think some others have had similar problems, you could check the package's bugs at replaced-url
688[06:07:05] <Gaiseric> jmcnaught: I see, thank you! (thankfully I don't need that soon-to-be-extinct piece of crapware all that much)
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698[06:08:50] <jmcnaught> Gaiseric: i've gone without it for years. if you're using amd64 there's also replaced-url
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721[06:15:39] <Gaiseric> jmcnaught: I also rarely need it, perhaps once every few months... and I only activate it explicitely. Thanks for bringing Freshplayerplugin to my attention - potentially useful.
722[06:16:18] <Gaiseric> g/explicitely/explicitly/
723[06:16:22] * Gaiseric needs sleep
724[06:16:36] <jmcnaught> you only need the package from jessie-backports, the compilation instructions are historical
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735[06:24:18] <kepeken> <code of conduct>
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738[06:25:26] <jmcnaught> kepeken: you might've meant "/msg dpkg code of conduct" ?
739[06:26:17] <kepeken> yes, i'm sorry for the mistake
740[06:26:27] <jmcnaught> no worries
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803[07:10:42] <f-a> I use wpa_supplicant and dhclient to connect to the internet, unfortunately my wifi signal sucks so now and then I get disconnected
804[07:11:23] <f-a> is there a way to tell wpa_supplicant "when you reconnect, please invoke `sudo dhclient wlan0`?"
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821[07:24:38] <Wulf> f-a: I think you can use its control interface to receive events
822[07:24:51] <Wulf> f-a: programs like network-manager do the same, from what I know.
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828[07:28:24] <f-a> ohhh, nice. Thanks Wulf
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867[08:19:46] <xormor> so I already have 8.5 because I have jessie-proposed-updates.
868[08:20:55] <jmcnaught> !tell xormor about cross post
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871[08:23:27] <fennesz> Hello ! Is there a way I can shrink the top bar in gnome?
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879[08:32:00] <jmcnaught> fennesz: there is probably a file somewhere you can edit or put a modified copy of in /usr/local, the way that GNOME developers probably intend you to use that space is to make the program full screen
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881[08:33:09] <jmcnaught> fennesz: with F11 or super+F11. some GNOME applications sort use the top bar as their title bar when maximized, but the epiphany browser is the only one i can think of that actually does this in jessie
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883[08:34:27] <jmcnaught> or maybe something on replaced-url
884[08:34:46] <fennesz> jmcnaught, in hexchat f11 goes fullscreen . But I would like to have the top bar visible all the times , just with smaller size-fonts
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887[08:37:16] <fennesz> jmcnaught, there is "hide top bar" extension . This also hides the top bar
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889[08:37:47] <Aaron> hello ya'll I have a quick question how come every time my debian boots I cannot see the Tty1 on boot, after boot I can see it fine. now on boot I can't see the terminals any ideas?
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894[08:42:20] <jmcnaught> Aaron: what do you see? what do you normally do after boot to get the virtual consoles back? that's not working now?
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896[08:42:50] <Aaron> jmcnaught: I cannot see the progress of the boot, I only see gdm3 after it boots.
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898[08:45:22] <jmcnaught> Aaron: grub2 defaults to having quiet on the kernel command line. you can change it in /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub
899[08:46:03] <Aaron> ok for which type of line I'm I looking for?
900[08:46:43] <Aaron> # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
901[08:46:43] <Aaron> #GRUB_TERMINAL=console
902[08:46:49] <Aaron> #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480
903[08:47:01] <Aaron> I got those two lines
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905[08:48:55] <Aaron> jmcnaught: okay and on the quiet line what do I put?????
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909[08:53:26] <jmcnaught> Aaron: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
910[08:53:57] <Aaron> do I remove it?
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912[08:54:03] <Aaron> or put a # for a comment.
913[08:54:36] <jmcnaught> Aaron: no just change it to "", and add a new comment documenting the change, reason, and date
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915[08:55:22] <Aaron> Ok
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918[08:56:05] <Aaron> let's hope I can see it;
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934[09:08:06] <Junka> which package updates the repo cache?
935[09:08:28] <Aaron> apt,
936[09:08:56] <Junka> i dont think apt does this automatically
937[09:09:21] <Junka> is it?
938[09:09:26] <Aaron> nope you have to do apt-get update; && apt-get dist-upgrade
939[09:09:57] <Junka> yes ofc, but i was wondering what updates the repo data on the default gnome install
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941[09:10:44] <Junka> packagekit?
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948[09:17:56] <fennesz> Guys I would like to run htop on a specific geometry/size . I have found gnome-terminal --geometry , but how can I run htop on this terminal automatically
949[09:19:06] <Aaron> write some type of. shell script,
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954[09:24:16] <musca> fennesz: you can create a profile in gnome-terminal and set a command to run
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965[09:32:24] <musca> fennesz: And for the profile "htop" you can create a launcher (a *.desktop file) with the command: gnome-terminal --window-with-profile="htop" --working-directory=/home/fennesz/bin
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970[09:34:13] <SpeedyG> hi, every time I reboot my computer, I have to 'reset' my audio settings through pavucontrol to the 3.5mm jack instead of hdmi output... is there a way to save this setting persistently?
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986[09:38:36] <fennesz> thank you musca
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1010[09:56:44] <xar-> hi #debian
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1012[09:57:23] <xar-> I installed the ntp service, how come it isn't listed if I do: `systemctl list-unit-files --type=service | grep ntp`
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1014[10:00:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> probably because it still uses a file in init.d
1015[10:01:34] <xar-> it looks like some systemd bullshit, sigh
1016[10:01:36] <dutchfish> xar-, what does `timedatectl status` tells you?
1017[10:01:48] <xar-> apparently units and unit files are "not the same thing"
1018[10:01:56] <xar-> god this is so confusing...
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1020[10:02:27] <xar-> dutchfish: it shows me a lot of stuff
1021[10:02:38] <xar-> NTP enabled: no
1022[10:02:54] <xar-> NTP synchronized: no
1023[10:02:57] <xar-> :(
1024[10:03:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> dunno.. manpage says To list all units installed on the system, use the list-unit-files command instead
1025[10:03:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> (at the -a option)
1026[10:04:05] <xar-> found this humorous: replaced-url
1027[10:04:22] <xar-> I admit, even after reading the diff, I still don't understand ha
1028[10:04:48] <dutchfish> xar-, have you done `systemctl enable ntpd service` ?
1029[10:05:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> heh
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1031[10:05:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> dutchfish, my laptop says the same
1032[10:05:30] <dutchfish> xar-, normally thats done automagically on install of ntpd daemon
1033[10:05:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> and so does the desktop at work
1034[10:05:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> I still, ntp is running
1035[10:06:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> I think ntp is just not really integrated into the systemd stuff
1036[10:06:17] <xar-> yup I did that, but now do I also need to mess with that magical 'timedatectl' ?
1037[10:06:28] <xar-> I have equally 0 clue what timedatectl does
1038[10:07:01] <xar-> # timedatectl set-ntp true
1039[10:07:02] <dutchfish> CutMeOwnThroat, xar- here is how mine looks on local clock replaced-url
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1045[10:07:38] <xar-> so yours is synchronized, but not enabled
1046[10:07:39] <xar-> hm
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1048[10:08:06] <dutchfish> xar-, its confusing i admit
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1050[10:08:24] <dutchfish> xar-, `ntpq -p` is your friend
1051[10:08:37] <xar-> the systemd is insult to injury, I was super comfortable with wheezy, jessie... grinds my gears sometimes
1052[10:08:57] <dutchfish> xar-, i dont do ranting, i just try to help
1053[10:09:14] <xar-> no no i appreciate it
1054[10:09:29] <xar-> ntpq -p works
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1056[10:09:52] <xar-> timedatectl set-ntp true worked
1057[10:10:01] <xar-> now it says enabled and synchronized
1058[10:10:11] <dutchfish> xar-, and `sudo ntptime` ?
1059[10:10:25] <xar-> systemd-timesyncd[26258]: Using NTP server 104.232.3.3:123 (0.debian.pool.ntp.org).
1060[10:10:32] <xar-> sec
1061[10:10:51] <xar-> ntpime returns... a lot of data, looks like its working
1062[10:11:11] <dutchfish> xar-, look for OK status (twice)
1063[10:11:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> xar-, well, #635752
1064[10:11:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1065[10:11:20] <xar-> yup I see it
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1067[10:11:22] <xar-> twice
1068[10:11:34] <dutchfish> CutMeOwnThroat, we know ;)
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1070[10:11:46] <dutchfish> xar-, then you are good to go
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1073[10:12:10] <SpeedyG> wow, opened in 2011 ...
1074[10:12:17] <xar-> thank you very much; most of the time the systemd stuff stays outta my way, but man when it comes a callin', I'm in the dark :(
1075[10:12:21] <dutchfish> xar-, dont let the systemd service hook distract you
1076[10:12:38] <SpeedyG> quite the backlog :)
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1078[10:13:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> xar-, what is really your problem?
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1080[10:13:15] <dutchfish> xar-, it will be fixed in the future, ntp has its own bunch of quircks btw
1081[10:13:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> I mean... my systems show the same thing, but ntp is up and running and syncing time
1082[10:13:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> and so is yours...
1083[10:13:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> so what's the deal
1084[10:13:56] <dutchfish> CutMeOwnThroat, none, unless you insist to manually edit the systemd hooks
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1087[10:14:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot ethernet cable!
1088[10:14:22] <xar-> so in short, `apt-get install ntp`; configure /etc/ntp.conf, then do `systemctl enable ntp.service`, then `timedatectl set-ntp true`, then check `ntptime` for two OK messages and `ntpq -p`
1089[10:14:36] <dutchfish> xar-, correct
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1091[10:14:49] <xar-> ok I can script all of that, thank you very much again for your help
1092[10:14:56] <dutchfish> xar-, yw
1093[10:15:23] * babilen justs uses chrony
1094[10:15:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> tha sounds... corrupt
1095[10:15:41] <xar-> what are the pros cons using chrony vs ntp; I 've never heard of chrony
1096[10:15:46] <dutchfish> babilen, not a bad choice there are more solution btw
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1100[10:16:57] <dutchfish> xar-, too my humble opinion, ntp wins if your source ntp stratum 0 are correct, if not chrony is sometimes better (more stable)
1101[10:17:18] <dutchfish> xar-, ntp can swing out of bands
1102[10:17:23] <babilen> xar-: replaced-url
1103[10:17:52] <SpeedyG> xar-: a;sp. replaced-url
1104[10:18:05] <xar-> thank you
1105[10:18:12] <dutchfish> babilen, SpeedyG thanks
1106[10:18:12] <xar-> (everyone)
1107[10:18:44] <xar-> how mature would you say chrony is?
1108[10:19:00] <dutchfish> xar-, half way, unless you know what you are doing
1109[10:19:14] <dutchfish> <-- timenut
1110[10:19:17] <xar-> so, not quite ready for production?
1111[10:19:28] <dutchfish> xar-, depends
1112[10:19:40] <dutchfish> xar-, read what i have said
1113[10:19:41] <xar-> ok, I'll research :)
1114[10:19:52] <dutchfish> xar-, gl
1115[10:19:56] <SpeedyG> xar-: given that RedHat has it as default in RHEL7 it could be considered 'ready for production' ... but as dutchfish says :)
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1117[10:20:46] <SpeedyG> (studying for my rhce as we speak... so.. sorry for mixing in RHEL into a debian discussion ;) )
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1119[10:21:19] <xar-> I use RHEL a lot too, I didn't realize that, thank you SpeedyG
1120[10:21:20] <dutchfish> SpeedyG, at least you are studying, thats something ;)
1121[10:21:26] <babilen> SpeedyG: Perspective is never a problem .. Just because this is #debian doesn't mean that standards of other distros are irrelevant :)
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1133[10:27:37] <Psychiatrist> Hey guys, I put my computer to sleep yesterday now today my Wifi is not working. rfkill shows that it's hard-blocked but I don't have a wifi switch on my computer nor do I have any option to disable it in my bios
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1135[10:28:25] <Psychiatrist> Currently I'm on Debian and internet works with cable. I tried logging into Windows but in there even with cable I cannot get access.
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1137[10:29:09] <Psychiatrist> Any ideas what could've caused this ? Can my Wifi-card by fried?
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1143[10:36:24] <babilen> Psychiatrist: Did you try unblocking it?
1144[10:36:48] <babilen> (using rfkill)
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1151[10:38:37] <Psychiatrist> babilen, yes, rfkill unblock all did not work
1152[10:39:34] <babilen> Anything of interest in "dmesg" if you reload the module?
1153[10:39:57] <babilen> And just to confirm: Wifi isn't working in Windows either?
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1156[10:40:34] <Psychiatrist> yes, in Windows nothing is working.
1157[10:41:13] <Psychiatrist> babilen, What should I look for exactly in dmesg
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1161[10:43:27] <babilen> Run "lspci -knn|grep -A2 network" and reload the module of your card, then "dmesg|tail -n23" and check for errors
1162[10:43:43] <babilen> err, make that "grep -A2 -rie network"
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1166[10:44:45] <babilen> Psychiatrist: Okay, once again: 1. Run "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -ie network" and then 2. "dmesg|tail -n23"
1167[10:44:53] <babilen> Check for errors and anything suspicious
1168[10:45:04] <belle105> pseudo ?
1169[10:45:09] <Pseudo> hi belle105
1170[10:45:12] <belle105> hi
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1172[10:45:15] <Psychiatrist> babilen, Alright, thanks. Will do.
1173[10:45:20] <Pseudo> do u use debian OS
1174[10:45:33] <belle105> mac
1175[10:45:37] <Pseudo> belle105: you should to start using debian and its free
1176[10:45:49] <Pseudo> if you have an older computers
1177[10:45:54] <belle105> i don't thin i would i am not techie
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1179[10:46:08] <belle105> think *
1180[10:46:11] <Pseudo> well you can just start learning it now
1181[10:46:47] <belle105> its not going to happen soon . i have other problems to take care of and my ability to concentrate is impaired
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1183[10:46:52] <rickardv_> The "Installing Debian 8.5" page points to 8.4.0, it's a bit confusing? (or wrong?)
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1185[10:46:59] <Pseudo> belle105: actually here is for a debian support channel in freenode
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1188[10:47:35] <Pseudo> maybe u would like some socials channel to talk anthing abt off-topic
1189[10:47:40] <belle105> i don't know enough about it
1190[10:47:49] <babilen> Pseudo, belle105: I am not exactly sure where you guys came from, but do you have a technical support question we can help you with?
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1192[10:48:05] <belle105> sorry
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1195[10:48:23] <babilen> There's #debian-offtopic if you like to chat
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1198[10:48:33] <Pseudo> ok thanks babilen
1199[10:48:42] <babilen> No worries
1200[10:48:53] <Psychiatrist> babilen, With the added parameters the only warning/error I got was for VGA 'ACPI Warning: \_SB_.PCI0.PEG0.VGA_._DSM: Argument #4 type mismatch'
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1202[10:49:21] <RoyK> babilen: don't be so harch
1203[10:49:23] <babilen> That's not related .. could you paste the output of those commands?
1204[10:49:51] <babilen> RoyK: Huh? They are happily chatting in #debian-offtopic now
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1221[10:51:28] <mzf> rickardv_: debian 8.5 is just released and perhaps some pages are not yet updated. nothing's wrong there.
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1227[10:52:09] <Psychiatrist> babilen, the first command's output surpasses my terminal's window, is there a way I could output it into a .txt? The second command's output is here: replaced-url
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1236[10:53:56] <rickardve> mzf: Check, I just saw that the ISO are not yet available.
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1239[10:56:06] <mzf> rickardve: yeah, that's right. it takes time as it seems
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1250[11:03:08] <Psychiatrist> babilen, I'm going to restart and be back in a few minutes if you had any more suggestions, in any case I appreciate the help. Thanks!
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1256[11:07:04] <xar-> is 8.5 out?
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1258[11:07:53] <xar-> very nice
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1264[11:10:15] <hexnewbie> rickardve: The SMS for 8.5 came while I was sleeping. I still haven't fully realised it's out yet. It's normal for the ISOs to not be out yet.
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1273[11:13:52] <Psychiatrist> babilen, So I reset my BIOS to defaults, and pressed 'FN+F8' before my OS had loaded, it's my Wifi hotkey, I read it from a forum that it might help and something worked. Unfortunately not sure which one. What I do find weird is that on Windows nothing is still working, nor internet with cable or wifi.. but I can ping Google's DNS perfectly and connect to Wifi networks..
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1275[11:14:10] <unborn> xar-: where do you download 8.5? I dont see it on debian official website
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1286[11:14:38] <babilen> Psychiatrist: The "Fn+F8" would have triggered the "Turn WiFi off" thing
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1293[11:16:32] <muffinlady32_> hi
1294[11:16:38] <Psychiatrist> babilen, So it must've been the BIOS default settings. But it's odd since I don't have a specific setting for Wifi and I haven't touched it in months
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1298[11:16:52] <muffinlady32_> what kernerl version comes with 8.4?
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1303[11:18:11] <unborn> ah I see it now.. it was my browser cache
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1306[11:19:17] <unborn> well its easy to upgrade right? or I have to do fresh install?
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1312[11:25:23] <babilen> Psychiatrist: Well, it simple toggles between "wifi on/wifi off", so I guess that this is what enabled your card again.
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1314[11:25:31] <babilen> ,kernels
1315[11:25:32] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-trunk-686 (4.6-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.5-1); stretch: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.5.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
1316[11:25:35] <babilen> muffinlady32_: ^
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1318[11:26:11] <babilen> unborn: You just run a normal "apt update ; apt full-upgrade"
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1321[11:26:27] <unborn> babilen: great thanks!
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1400[12:15:55] <JohnnyL> what's good to back dvds to a playable format under debian?
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1410[12:19:44] <FaTony> if I have libfoo.a and libfoo.so and I compile something with -lfoo, what library will get linked?
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1412[12:19:51] <cluelessperson> Hi all, on debian I like to use "Cinnamon" desktop, which uses "Nemo" instead of "Nautilus" for file browsing
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1419[12:22:29] <somiaj> cluelessperson: and your question is? You can install cinnamon in debian
1420[12:22:32] <somiaj> !cinnamon
1421[12:22:33] <dpkg> Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. replaced-url
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1428[12:24:06] <avian> FaTony, I think the default is .so unless you use -static with gcc. You can check your compiled binary with ldd
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1430[12:24:18] <FaTony> avian, ty
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1434[12:25:50] <cluelessperson> Nemo likes to not mount sshfs, instead hands an SFTP URL/LINK to applications
1435[12:25:50] <cluelessperson> which MANY applications are incapable of opening
1436[12:25:50] <cluelessperson> Anyone know where to point me? I'm lost, lost my mommy, lol
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1438[12:26:10] <cluelessperson> somiaj, the problem is that Nemo the file manager, doesn't MOUNT sftp, it hands URLs to applications. I'm wondering how to fix this.
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1442[12:27:34] <babilen> Use a file manager that supports the features you want?
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1444[12:27:45] <Rikairchy> like gentoo
1445[12:27:49] <julius> hi
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1447[12:28:55] <julius> i installed a testing system with debootstrap, now im chrooted into it (/dev, /proc/, /sys) are --bind mounted and i get this while installing gnome: /var/cache/apt/archives/gtk-update-icon-cache_3.20.5-4_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) where can i look up a error message? dpkg.log says nothing about this
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1449[12:29:24] <julius> oh, no testing
1450[12:29:27] <julius> ok
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1456[12:33:03] <somiaj> julius: the error should be above that line
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1466[12:39:20] <cluelessperson> It seems that ALL my file managers only browse SFTP and do not MOUNT SSHFS. This presents a LARGE problem for me in that media players or other applications are handed SFTP URLS INSTEAD of SSHFS mount points to read a file from
1467[12:39:24] <cluelessperson> has anyone encountered this?
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1469[12:39:57] <Guest_84757> Allah is doing
1470[12:40:08] <Guest_84757> sun is not doing Allah is doing
1471[12:40:23] <Guest_84757> moon is not doing Allah is doing
1472[12:40:39] <Guest_84757> stars are not doing Allah is doing
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1474[12:41:50] <cluelessperson> Guest_84757, don't do that
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1476[12:43:14] <somiaj> cluelessperson: why not just mount the sshfs manually, once it is mounted any file manager should browse it like a local file system (I personally don't use file managers so unsure what sort of feature they have)
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1479[12:44:15] <TomTomTosch> cluelessperson: not sure i understand the SFTP part or how it relates to your SSHFS problem.
1480[12:44:28] <cluelessperson> somiaj, needs to mount only when I need it and only when it's available
1481[12:45:07] <somiaj> cluelessperson: sounds like more reason to just mount it from the command line when you need it
1482[12:45:27] <cluelessperson> TomTomTosch, If the file manager simply browses the remote server using SFTP, instead of mounting as SSHFS, it'll hand an URL like "stfp:// something" to whatever application to open the file with, INSTEAD of opening the file as a file from a locally mounted system. /mount/place/file.mkv
1483[12:45:48] <cluelessperson> somiaj, Linux Mint does this perfectly
1484[12:45:59] <lesta> cluelessperson: fuse tools can mount sshfs webdav samba
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1486[12:46:17] <cluelessperson> I'm looking for the Gui integration
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1489[12:46:26] <lesta> gigolo ?
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1492[12:46:29] <lesta> maybe
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1499[12:47:13] <somiaj> cluelessperson: then figure out what sort of plugin mint uses and see if it is availble in debian. If it is not then you'll have to look into some of the other options you have been pointed at.
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1505[12:47:40] <cluelessperson> somiaj, ah
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1754[12:57:34] <cluelessperson> lesta, Thank you for the suggestion, found this replaced-url
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1756[12:57:47] <cluelessperson> lesta, my linux mint work machine is several versions ahead. :)
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1761[12:59:11] <cluelessperson> lesta, Do you know how to build this?
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1765[12:59:38] <somiaj> cluelessperson: does it need a newer version of nemo or just a plugin? What is the package name in debian?
1766[12:59:59] <cluelessperson> somiaj, "nemo"
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1786[13:00:05] <somiaj> ,v nemo
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1788[13:00:06] <judd> Package: nemo on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.4-2; stretch: 3.0.3-1; sid: 3.0.3-1
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1790[13:00:14] <somiaj> ,check-backport nemo
1791[13:00:15] <judd> Backporting package nemo in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libcinnamon-desktop-dev (>= 2.6.1).
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1797[13:00:41] <cluelessperson> Linux mint on my work machine is on 2.8.6
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1801[13:00:56] <somiaj> cluelessperson: getting a new version of nemo in debian jessie isn't going to be an easy task. Seems it depends on some of the nemo desktop and backporting desktop takes a bit of work
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1804[13:01:15] <somiaj> cluelessperson: are you sure it is the version and not some plugin you can just install in $HOME?
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1806[13:01:33] <cluelessperson> somiaj, where would I check for such plugins?
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1812[13:01:54] <somiaj> cluelessperson: I'm unsure, I don't use file managers so unsure how they work or to check what addons/plugins they have.
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1814[13:02:13] <TomTomTosch> you could ask the mint channel. chances are someone there knows.
1815[13:02:17] <cluelessperson> somiaj, replaced-url
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1822[13:02:55] <cluelessperson> somiaj, can I compile Nemo from github?
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1825[13:03:02] <cluelessperson> or would it still be missing dependencies?
1826[13:03:19] <somiaj> cluelessperson: yea I don't know mint that well, it could be the version in jessie just done's tha ve the feature you need, it could be you can get it with a plugin
1827[13:03:51] <somiaj> cluelessperson: nemo depends on libcinnamon and the version you have in jessie may not be new enough. That is what I already checked
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1833[13:05:19] <cluelessperson> somiaj, libcinnamon-desktop4:amd64 2.2.3-3
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1835[13:05:38] <somiaj> cluelessperson: yes I know, the newer nemo may require a newer package to depend against
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1838[13:05:58] <cluelessperson> I see
1839[13:06:56] <somiaj> cluelessperson: you may have to look into other options in debian.
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1938[14:05:40] <discovered> Where is the KDE channel for debian?
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1951[14:07:36] <TomTomTosch> discovered: irc.oftc.net #debian-kde
1952[14:07:48] <discovered> TomTomTosch, Thanks
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1968[14:18:17] <cluelessperson> I keep running into a problem on Debian where my route is still defaulting to eth0, even though the interface is disconnected
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1971[14:18:49] <FaTony> how can I sync local directory with ftp directory?
1972[14:18:50] <discovered> no updated info on replaced-url
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1979[14:27:35] <bittin_> Debian boxes at work is updated now :)
1980[14:27:51] <discovered> ?
1981[14:28:03] <unborn> FaTony: manually or use ssh and rsync
1982[14:28:22] <FaTony> unborn I don't have ssh
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1984[14:29:10] <unborn> FaTony: on your local machine you can mount ftp as folder and then use rsycn to sync forlder a with ftp folder mounted on your system
1985[14:29:19] <unborn> locally.. no ssh need it
1986[14:29:20] <unborn> :)
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2015[14:45:47] <bittin_> Any debian person that know where i can find 7. iso files ?
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2026[14:51:17] <unborn> bittin_: original?
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2032[14:52:48] <unborn> bittin_: replaced-url
2033[14:53:04] <bittin_> unborn: thats Windows and not Debian :D
2034[14:53:13] <unborn> aha sorry :D
2035[14:53:18] <bittin_> i meant Debian 7.11
2036[14:53:18] <bittin_> :D
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2039[14:53:22] <bittin_> amd64
2040[14:53:24] <unborn> I seen 7.iso and thought windows 7 sorry :D
2041[14:53:31] <unborn> yeah
2042[14:53:31] <bittin_> :p
2043[14:53:36] <unborn> I'll have look
2044[14:53:38] <bittin_> unborn: in #debian
2045[14:53:39] <bittin_> :D
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2048[14:54:21] <unborn> bittin_: which country is closest to you?
2049[14:54:32] <bittin_> Sweden
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2053[14:55:28] <unborn> bittin_: replaced-url
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2055[14:56:29] <bittin_> unborn: thanks :)
2056[14:56:44] <unborn> bittin_: np :)
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2078[15:04:22] <x37> i was/am worried my drive is failing...
2079[15:04:43] <x37> im using cp to copy to another drive but heart rate is rising
2080[15:04:45] <x37> good game
2081[15:04:47] <x37> etc
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2140[15:38:08] <tarkaram> I installed debian on a really old laptop, I just wanted text only and didnt enable any window managers duinrg the install. When I try to boot up the system after the install, all I see in the screen is "Unable to read microcode...." and never get to a login prompt
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2144[15:39:53] <tarkaram> Googled the issue, its related to firmware associate with the wifi chip, I didnt load the firmware during the install process and am not going to use wifi. Is there way to skip the check of wifi firmware during the boot process? The debian thread logged for this states, loaded the firmware to resolve. Am not sure how to load the firmware if I cant get to the login prompt
2145[15:40:02] <tarkaram> Appreciate any help
2146[15:40:41] <tixnok> tarkaram : try to reinstall again sir
2147[15:40:55] <dvs> !firmware iso
2148[15:40:55] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
2149[15:41:26] <TomTomTosch> tarkaram: i don't see how missing wifi firmware would prevent boot. can you give use the exact output? or yeah, try the firmware iso ^
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2153[15:42:45] <tarkaram> replaced-url
2154[15:43:18] <tarkaram> TomTomTosch: the issue described in the link is exactly what I am facing.
2155[15:43:31] <tarkaram> dvs: I will try that option. Thanks
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2157[15:44:07] <dvs> no prob
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2165[15:54:55] <GEWRG3443> Hello
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2168[15:55:18] <GEWRG3443> Im having problems with Debian
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2171[15:55:33] <GEWRG3443> I think its related to nvidia drivers. My screen freezes randomly
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2175[15:56:29] <GEWRG3443> uh, ho hello?
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2179[15:58:00] <afernandez_> Hello
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2181[15:58:09] <musca> hello GEWRG3443, does "lspci | grep vga" list your vga device?
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2184[16:00:10] <GEWRG3443> Yes
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2186[16:00:55] <GEWRG3443> Actually it doesn't, another command very similar did list it.
2187[16:01:18] <Hello71> musca: that won't list most VGA devices.
2188[16:01:24] <GEWRG3443> "lspci -nn | grep VGA"
2189[16:01:25] <Hello71> mainly because VGA is an acronym
2190[16:01:31] <Hello71> not a word
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2192[16:01:54] <afernandez_> musca: lspci |grep -i vga
2193[16:01:59] <Hello71> GEWRG3443: if you're using proprietary drivers, try nouveau
2194[16:02:00] <GEWRG3443> Oh, it was actually "lspci | grep VGA"
2195[16:02:39] <GEWRG3443> Ok... how do I change the drivers and install nouveau
2196[16:03:42] <GEWRG3443> could download latest drivers from nvidia fix it?
2197[16:03:53] <musca> GEWRG3443: which Card do you use?
2198[16:04:07] <GEWRG3443> GTX 650 Ti
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2200[16:04:23] <musca> usually the nvidia installer breaks debian systems
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2202[16:04:43] <GEWRG3443> Oh :(
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2206[16:05:58] <musca> the nvidia-driver 340.xx in jessie (non-free section) should support your card just fine
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2209[16:06:25] <babilen> GEWRG3443: replaced-url
2210[16:06:34] <babilen> judd: v nvidia-kernel-dkms
2211[16:06:35] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 352.79-7; stretch/non-free: 352.79-7; experimental/non-free: 355.11-2
2212[16:06:52] <GEWRG3443> Mmm, ok. It's just that I had installed Ubuntu and Linux Mint and it would freeze constantly
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2215[16:07:08] <GEWRG3443> With debian, it has happened once, but its annoying having to reboot everytime
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2218[16:07:28] <musca> ,v nvidia-driver --release jessie-backports
2219[16:07:29] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1
2220[16:07:31] <babilen> Oh, and don't use nvidida-xconfig, but just use the minimal configuration mentioned on that wiki (the echo command)
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2232[16:12:34] <GEWRG3443> Uh, welp I hope it doesn't freeze again :(
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2304[16:41:24] <f-a> I have a laptop with a misworking "hard block wifi" button (a thinkpad). Is there a way I can just disable it?
2305[16:42:01] <Brigo> f-a, i think not
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2311[16:42:56] <f-a> Brigo: that's what I feared :s it's a pain in the butt as now and then decises to block itself even is the switch is on 'on'
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2315[16:45:05] <fhffhqvb> wow, first result on google.
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2318[16:45:38] <fhffhqvb> replaced-url
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2325[16:47:39] <unborn> f-a: if you still have windows on particion make sure you turn your wifi on before shoot down.. then if that did not worked you can try the fhffhqvb google links.. also you may reset bios..
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2330[16:49:52] <f-a> fhffhqvb: yeah sudo modprobe -r ideapad_laptop did not work, hence why I am asking here ¬¬
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2332[16:50:22] <f-a> unborn: I don't have windows, only debian on this laptop
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2347[16:58:24] <unborn> f-a: replaced-url
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2354[17:00:28] <DrBunsen> Hello, does anyone here have experience dealing with nvidea drivers and dual monitor setup? Because most fullscreen apps (like games) get launched on the secondary screen, and after checking the nvidia-settings now even games that appeared on the right screen get displayed on the secondary. I do not know how to continue from here
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2359[17:02:10] <babilen> DrBunsen: Do you use a minimal configuration or one generated by the (often broken) nvidida-xconfig? On my workstation (dual monitor, NVS card) it is using whatever display had focus
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2366[17:04:03] <DrBunsen> babilen: I first used the nvidia-xconfig thing, but that doesn't work anymore, I did use the nvidia-settings to write a config file, and now even things what are focused on the right screen get send to the secondary. BTW: my setup is like this: Secondary screen - main screen.
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2383[17:09:11] <f-a> unborn: you mean trying `sudo modprobe -r ideapad_laptop` ? because that unfortunately did not work
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2385[17:10:29] <unborn> f-a: no I mean rfkill
2386[17:11:52] <f-a> unborn: do you want me to `rfkill unblock all`?
2387[17:12:04] <f-a> I think rfkill only handles soft blocks
2388[17:12:21] <unborn> yes it does but its worth of trying
2389[17:12:42] <unborn> on very old lenovo laptops that was usually what worked before re-install of windows
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2391[17:13:09] <unborn> some old wifi cards simply did not worked when turned off on windows and booted into linux
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2395[17:13:42] <unborn> f-a if you have drivers on, your wifi should work.. last resolution I would try to reset bios
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2404[17:15:03] <f-a> sorry I got d/c'd , I said: I think rfkill only handles softblocks, right?
2405[17:15:28] <unborn> f-a: read what I wrote in your history
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2412[17:21:11] <f-a> thanks unborn , probably I explained my problem incorrectly. My card *does* work (in this very moment I am using it to connect to the internet). The problem is that with 'rough' usage the hardware switch (which lies in front of the laptop) has become a tad loose.
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2415[17:21:36] <f-a> I mean, I could just tape it to 'on' and forget about it to be fair
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2417[17:21:53] <f-a> but I wondered if there was a way to 'ignore' it
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2426[17:24:22] <jamesl> I am having difficulties setting the SSH banner, I created the file at /etc/sshd-banner, then put "Banner /etc/sshd-banner" in /etc/ssh/ssh_config but the banner is not displayed before the login prompt, why is this? What do I need o change to enable SSH banner?
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2428[17:25:17] <yoLo_> when i type PATH=~/dfu-util/src/dfu-util:$PATH
2429[17:25:28] <yoLo_> where does it go and how do i remove it ?
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2431[17:25:41] <yoLo_> because when i type in echo $PATH
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2433[17:25:42] <unborn> f-a: its should be in bios.. if not put single drop of superglue on it :) I guess that is some old laptop right?
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2435[17:25:52] <yoLo_> i see it but its now in bashrc
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2440[17:27:34] <f-a> unborn: lenovo x60s, librebooted, bought from minifree. Works flawlessly but I am a tad rough when handling lappies :P I'll see how to access bios and check if it possible to disable it, thanks for helping!
2441[17:27:34] <yoLo_> any help ?
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2445[17:28:42] <unborn> f-a: usually when booting machine keep pressing f2 or f12 but it could be esc or f10 or f11
2446[17:28:44] <f-a> yoLo_: what do you mean "where does it go"? It's like a variable
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2449[17:29:15] <f-a> yoLo_: open another terminal, type `echo $PATH` and it is gone, if you want it persistent put it in your .bashrc
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2451[17:29:21] <unborn> f-a: then in bios there is usually hardware switch and you just select always on.. this means it will stay on even if you manually turn it off
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2453[17:29:43] <yoLo_> f-a: i added i did export PATH=~/dfu-util/src/dfu-util:$PATH
2454[17:30:02] <yoLo_> but dfu doesn't reply when i call
2455[17:30:12] <yoLo_> so i'm assuming that i added the path wrong
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2458[17:30:41] <yoLo_> f-a: did i do it correctly ?
2459[17:30:45] <f-a> thanks unborn , I'll check it and report back
2460[17:31:01] <yoLo_> is it export PATH=~/dfu-util/src/dfu-util:$PATH ?
2461[17:31:02] <f-a> yoLo_: syntax is like `export PATH=$PATH:~/blalbabl`
2462[17:31:19] <f-a> to check if it was added, open a terminal and type
2463[17:31:20] <yoLo_> no $PATH IN THE END ?
2464[17:31:26] <f-a> echo $PATH
2465[17:31:55] <f-a> yoLo_: it's the same, something:$PATH works too
2466[17:32:06] <yoLo_> f-a: yes, it was added but the app doesn't reply
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2471[17:32:52] <f-a> yoLo_: well then, does ~/dfu-util/src/dfu-util exist? is the executable there?
2472[17:32:54] <yoLo_> i type dfu-util -l i'm suppose to get a reply with the version of dfu-util
2473[17:33:04] <Yuri4_> t
2474[17:33:07] <Yuri4_> r
2475[17:33:08] <Yuri4_> u
2476[17:33:09] <f-a> yoLo_: instead what do you get?
2477[17:33:10] <Yuri4_> m
2478[17:33:12] <Yuri4_> p
2479[17:33:33] <yoLo_> yes, its in home/dfu-util/src/dfu-util
2480[17:33:37] <f-a> yeah let's build a wall around windows
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2483[17:33:46] <yoLo_> f-a: i get dfu-util not installed
2484[17:34:00] <yoLo_> use apt-get install dfu-util
2485[17:34:22] <yoLo_> but the version of dfu in ubuntu repo is old and no longer supported
2486[17:34:33] <f-a> wait are you using ubuntu?
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2489[17:34:59] <yoLo_> f-a: it is the same for debian
2490[17:35:09] <yoLo_> i get the same version
2491[17:35:13] <yoLo_> in the repo
2492[17:35:14] <f-a> maybe folks in #ubuntu can help you more precisely
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2494[17:36:07] <f-a> yoLo_: in any case I don't think it's a problem of $PATH
2495[17:36:18] <yoLo_> :|
2496[17:36:42] <bipul> where i can find debian7.11 with amd64 iso ?
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2498[17:37:20] <yoLo_> f-a: ok good its been removed after i log out and back in
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2500[17:37:33] <f-a> very good
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2502[17:37:37] <sn0wmonster> I was referred from #linux as possibly having a failed "initramfs" update. I am using Tails, i used
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2505[17:37:49] <jmcnaught> bipul: please don't ask the same question on freenode and oftc at the same time. also why start a wheezy install now? why not install Jessie?
2506[17:37:55] <yoLo_> f-a: so i add path in bashrc right ?
2507[17:37:58] <sn0wmonster> apt-get update | apt-get upgrade, but i think it's not supposed to upgrade things like dmsetup but tried to,
2508[17:38:10] <sn0wmonster> now it's giving errors and won't let me isntall anything else without attempting (and failing) installing dmsetup
2509[17:38:23] <sn0wmonster> is there a way to clear the apt-get cache/queue so i can install something else?
2510[17:38:31] <bipul> jmcnaught, I need it that
2511[17:38:38] <yoLo_> sn0wmonster: like what ?
2512[17:38:44] <jmcnaught> sn0wmonster: who ever referred you here was wrong, Tails is not supported here only Debian is
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2514[17:38:58] <yoLo_> hmm tails ?
2515[17:39:05] <yoLo_> is that another linux distro >
2516[17:39:06] <yoLo_> ?
2517[17:39:09] <sn0wmonster> i think it's not a Tails specific problem though, as i'm asking about clearing apt-get cache more or less
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2519[17:39:17] <sn0wmonster> yoLo_, it's Debian with apparmor run in RAM
2520[17:39:24] <sn0wmonster> (to put it super-simple)
2521[17:39:35] <jmcnaught> !tails
2522[17:39:35] <dpkg> Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
2523[17:39:49] <sn0wmonster> does anyone know here how to clear the apt-get cache in debian?
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2525[17:40:03] <sn0wmonster> as in, clear the "failed to install" error out and stop attempting to install
2526[17:40:12] <jmcnaught> sn0wmonster: please ask in #tails on irc.oftc.net
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2528[17:40:40] <sn0wmonster> Does Debian not have apt-get?
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2530[17:40:58] <sn0wmonster> This isn't a Tails question. It's about clearing Apt-get's install queue.
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2532[17:41:14] <yoLo_> sn0wmonster: best i could suggest is to find the repo address of the stuff you dont want to install and uncomment it
2533[17:41:16] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell sn0wmonster about based on debian
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2536[17:42:22] <yoLo_> sn0wmonster: i meant "comment it out"
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2538[17:42:51] <yoLo_> sn0wmonster: so when upgrading or updating it doesn't install anything
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2546[17:44:16] <yoLo_> jmcnaught: how would add a path at /home to the PATH environment variable..
2547[17:44:23] <yoLo_> how would you* /
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2549[17:44:36] <yoLo_> at the /home directory
2550[17:45:08] <jmcnaught> yoLo_: i would do it in my .bashrc, or find a better place to install the software to like /usr/local or ~/bin
2551[17:45:09] <yoLo_> assume this is the path /home/something/chrome.exe
2552[17:45:41] <jmcnaught> yoLo_: but you were also asked to move to Ubuntu weren't you?
2553[17:45:54] <jmcnaught> #ubuntu that is
2554[17:46:19] <yoLo_> :|.. i have both ubuntu and debian.. i'm on ubuntu now
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2556[17:46:32] <yoLo_> but i'm doing the same thing on debian
2557[17:46:35] <jmcnaught> yoLo_: please don't come here for Ubuntu support
2558[17:46:46] <yoLo_> this is not for ubuntu support
2559[17:46:50] <yoLo_> its for debian
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2561[17:48:07] <yoLo_> so assuming your path is /home/something/chrome.exe how would do it exactly ?
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2563[17:49:26] <themill> you probably want to put it in ~/bin
2564[17:49:42] <yoLo_> themill: not bashrc ?
2565[17:49:50] <mach_kernel> path belongs in your shell's config file
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2567[17:50:07] <themill> yoLo_: binaries belong in ~/bin not in $HOME
2568[17:50:37] <mach_kernel> what are you trying to do
2569[17:51:12] <themill> protip: if you've just joined, don't try to jump in on a conversation that's been going for 25 min
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2571[17:51:21] <yoLo_> i'm trying to add a path to the $PATH environement variable
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2574[17:51:36] <mach_kernel> if it takes you 25 minutes to help someone modify their $PATH you are doing it wrong
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2577[17:53:10] <themill> who'd have imagined there would be context
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2579[17:53:22] <yoLo_> this is the path /home/dfu-util/src/dfu-util
2580[17:53:25] <yoLo_> themill:
2581[17:53:46] <themill> yoLo_: install it into ~/bin; nothing more to do
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2584[17:54:10] <yoLo_> themill: how ?,
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2592[17:58:56] <themill> yoLo_: I would be amazed if "cp" didn't work.
2593[17:58:59] <DrBunsen> Hello, does anyone here have experience dealing with nvidea drivers and dual monitor setup? Because most fullscreen apps (like games) get launched on the secondary screen, and after checking the nvidia-settings now even games that appeared on the right screen get displayed on the secondary. I do not know how to continue from here
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2598[18:02:09] <yoLo_> brb
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2606[18:06:12] <noqnio1> I'm thinking of going from stable to testing, what happens to my packages that are from jessie-backports?
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2618[18:11:52] <yoLo_> themill: I have i have added in ~/.profile export PATH=$PATH:~/dfu-util/src/dfu-util:
2619[18:12:15] <yoLo_> is this right ? i have called the app but still doesn't reply
2620[18:12:27] <yoLo_> it says dfu-util not installed
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2626[18:16:05] <yoLo_> themill: replaced-url
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2637[18:18:32] <nickgaw> Hi, With the asterisk packages in order to get the sample pbx working where it has the english voices working as if I dial using the cli an extention I get the message language not registerd what package should I install in order to make sure the sample stuff works?
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2671[18:32:17] <FaTony> I'm writing makefile for the program with config files which also is used for building Debian package. Now I have something like: prefix = usr/local; bindir = $(prefix)/bin etc. Now I need to copy config files into /usr/local/etc or /etc, how do I do this based on prefix?
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2673[18:33:49] <babilen> DrBunsen: I simply use a minimal nvidia.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d and it is working fine with my card, might want to give that a try
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2676[18:34:02] <babilen> DrBunsen: (remove the old/static configuration)
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2688[18:39:27] <jackcom> how can i install vnc server?
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2695[18:42:35] <babilen> jackcom: Which?
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2697[18:42:44] <jackcom> ?
2698[18:42:49] <jackcom> babilen: which?
2699[18:42:52] <jackcom> what you mean?
2700[18:42:57] <babilen> Yeah, which one do you want to install?
2701[18:43:04] <jackcom> vnc server
2702[18:43:11] <jackcom> there is many vnc server?
2703[18:43:20] <babilen> Sure
2704[18:43:36] <babilen> jackcom: Take a look at the output of "apt-cache search vnc server"
2705[18:43:36] <jackcom> one that most people use
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2708[18:44:06] <jackcom> lol
2709[18:44:11] <jackcom> too many
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2714[18:45:00] <jackcom> what is best? babilen ?
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2717[18:46:13] <omginput> Hey there guys, are some servers down or why get i 'Not Found The requested URL /debian-cd/8.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso was not found on this server.'?
2718[18:46:15] <babilen> I don't use it and it really depends what you want it to do. TightVNC and X11VNC come to mind, but take a look at replaced-url
2719[18:46:55] <jackcom> ok thanks
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2721[18:47:25] <babilen> jackcom: replaced-url
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2725[18:48:01] <jackcom> thanks installing vnc server is difficult?
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2727[18:48:15] <gr8> with the newest debian update, for Chromium Version 51.0.2704.79, the private mode has a white on grey theme. I would like to have a light color mode again because the rest of my system is light GTK so this looks very ugly ... on #chromium-support is a dead place
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2730[18:48:57] <babilen> jackcom: There's also vino VNC which is, I guess, pretty easy to use given that it is the VNC server of the Gnome desktop environment
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2735[18:49:31] <jackcom> vino VNC?
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2737[18:49:41] <jackcom> it is preinstalled?
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2740[18:49:46] <babilen> jackcom: The name of the package is "vino" in Debian
2741[18:49:55] <babilen> judd: info vino
2742[18:49:56] <judd> Package vino (gnome, optional) in jessie/amd64: VNC server for GNOME. Version: 3.14.0-2+b1; Size: 396.9k; Installed: 2013k; Homepage: replaced-url
2743[18:50:00] <babilen> ^
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2746[18:50:24] <babilen> Do you use Gnome?
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2748[18:50:40] <anao> Hello@All does anyone know how to disable fsck on jessie with systemd?
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2757[18:52:17] <babilen> anao: You don't want to be able to run it at all or do you want to disable regular checks?
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2760[18:53:03] <babilen> (at boot time)
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2764[18:54:13] <babilen> anao: If the latter you could take a look at "man 8 systemd-fsck"
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2766[18:55:18] <livelace> Hello. Maybe someone know about automatic startup VLAN interface (NetworkManager) in Debian 8. Question - why it doesn't start automatically ?
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2802[19:09:57] <livelace> Ok, it doesn't handle vlan connection replaced-url
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2814[19:18:07] <dionysus69> whatsup with terminal running as login shell? if I disable that, I loose ruby access ( I am using rvm) but if I keep it on, it loads .profile once again which duplicates some running programs. How can I approach this situation?
2815[19:18:23] <stormpp> Can anyone help me: How can I set up The login password after installing PHPMYADMIN (it doesn't allow without from config file) or what is the path to the Config ?
2816[19:18:40] <stormpp> Can anyone help me: How can I set up The login password after installing PHPMYADMIN (it doesn't allow without from config file) or what is the path to the Config ?
2817[19:18:53] <dionysus69> stormpp: doesnt it have default set? like admin admin?
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2821[19:20:31] <stormpp> dionysus69, no - I installed it on Raspbian and when it asked for password I hit enter (and in config it doesn't allow without password) that is why I am asking maybe some of you uses Phpmyadmin
2822[19:20:50] <stormpp> and now I can't log in (x)
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2825[19:21:25] <dionysus69> maybe someone more experienced in that will answer ))
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2827[19:21:56] <stormpp> dionysus69, yes maybe :)
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2831[19:23:19] <babilen> dpkg: raspbian
2832[19:23:19] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
2833[19:23:22] <babilen> stormpp: ^
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2836[19:24:33] <stormpp> babilen, IT IS NOT A RASPBIAN question, it is a PhpMyAdmin on debian question
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2861[19:37:25] <babilen> s/on debian/on raspbian/
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2876[19:45:25] <andril> can anyone help me with this error replaced-url
2877[19:45:46] <anao> @babilen thanks take a closer look
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2884[19:48:28] <^v> andril, i dont know exactly what that error is
2885[19:48:39] <^v> what does echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR give you
2886[19:49:05] <digdilem> actually, it's just a phpmyadmin question, but he left
2887[19:49:10] <andril> i was told yesterday to run a log after asking for help to resolve random freezing
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2889[19:50:01] <^v> andril, do you know what debian version? o_o
2890[19:50:11] <andril> 8.4 Jessie
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2899[19:54:34] <babilen> digdilem: Yeah, I would have suggested #phpmyadmin, but too late now
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2929[20:05:55] <marianna> Hi!
2930[20:06:06] <marianna> I have a problem with my laptop
2931[20:06:39] <marianna> even when I close everything
2932[20:06:53] <kripx> that hot
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2936[20:07:00] <kripx> shutdown you pc
2937[20:07:04] <TomTomTosch> marianna: sounds like a reading error. what tool do you use?
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2939[20:07:23] <marianna> acpi -t
2940[20:07:52] <marianna> now its at 53
2941[20:08:32] <TomTomTosch> marianna: is that a laptop? you might want to check if the radiator and fan are not obstructed.
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2943[20:08:46] <marianna> mmm
2944[20:09:09] <marianna> ok
2945[20:09:17] <marianna> but the thing is
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2949[20:09:26] <TomTomTosch> marianna: is it new hardware / did it work before with debian or other linux distros?
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2951[20:09:43] <marianna> Its not new hardware
2952[20:09:59] <marianna> I have it four or five years
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2954[20:10:31] <marianna> but the thing is, now the temp is going up and down
2955[20:10:41] <marianna> one or two degrees
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2957[20:10:51] <marianna> but when it reaches 111 degrees
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2959[20:11:02] <marianna> even when I close everything
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2962[20:11:14] <marianna> acpi -t still says its at 111 deg
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2964[20:11:27] <marianna> and after few minutes it shuts down
2965[20:11:56] <TomTomTosch> i would check the inside first.
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2970[20:12:57] <marianna> ok, when I reboot I will check the insides
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2972[20:13:15] <marianna> but now I want to know if I can do something like
2973[20:13:25] <marianna> echo 90000 > /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
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2977[20:13:37] <marianna> put a fake temp
2978[20:13:47] <marianna> is it possible?
2979[20:13:47] <TomTomTosch> no, that would be overwritten.
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2981[20:13:56] <marianna> I got this
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2983[20:14:25] <marianna> bash: echo: write error: input/output error
2984[20:15:13] <TomTomTosch> that file only has reading permissions anyway. you are not meant to write to it.
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2986[20:15:39] <marianna> I've changed the permissions
2987[20:15:46] <marianna> and I got that error
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2989[20:16:07] <marianna> I know I'm not meant to write it...
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3007[20:19:05] <jim> is there a fairly straightforward way of testing wayland under jessie?
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3010[20:19:52] <TomTomTosch> yeah. but /sys it the kernel's playground. i really wouldn't adviadvise changing permissions or trying to write to anything in sys.
3011[20:19:58] <miss0r> hello people. I have some issues here. I moved a bunch of virtual machines from one server to another. They are all websites, that are being redirected to with apache2 on the host. Now here is the strange part: the server has virbr0 with 192.168.12.xxx network, and the servers recently moved there are 192.168.122.xxx. The redirection with apache works like a charm, but I can't ping/ssh/anything with the VMs from the host. And since vi
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3013[20:20:41] <TomTomTosch> those files are virtual anyway.
3014[20:20:54] <marianna> ah, ok
3015[20:21:15] <miss0r> ...they are not setup for any other sort of access, I would like to just SSH into them from the host/make iptables redirect a specific port. I have set up a second virtual nic, in that network, and edited the respective .xml files to use that bridge - still no dice. How do I get in touch with them?
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3017[20:21:34] <PryMar56> miss0r, find the file default.xml from libvirt and see if its been changed on the old install
3018[20:21:55] <PryMar56> miss0r, default.xml controls the network config
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3020[20:21:57] <miss0r> PryMar56: The old install is no more unfortunatly
3021[20:22:25] <PryMar56> miss0r, the new server uses the default config, 192.168.122.1
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3023[20:22:51] <PryMar56> miss0r, change it , to align with the old setup
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3026[20:23:37] <miss0r> PryMar56: I can't just change it, as there are VMs on here that uses the new config. I did - however - add a new network to the libvirt config. with the modified ip address setup, but I still can't get in touch with them
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3028[20:24:56] <PryMar56> miss0r maybe add virbr1 for the websites
3029[20:25:14] <miss0r> I don't quite follow you
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3033[20:28:23] <PryMar56> miss0r, do you have stale NAT rules?
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3035[20:28:55] <miss0r> good questions. let me check
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3037[20:29:25] <PryMar56> miss0r, sudo iptables -S -t nat
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3042[20:31:22] <miss0r> PryMar56: it looks about right
3043[20:31:32] <PryMar56> miss0r, any prerouting rules?
3044[20:31:41] <marianna> I'll check if everything its ok inside the laptop but it doesn't answer my question xD
3045[20:31:45] <marianna> see you later!
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3047[20:32:22] <miss0r> I just PM'ed you the output
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3068[20:40:19] <kylix> hello all! I need some help with starting a python script at boot
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3070[20:40:57] <kylix> I already tried by adding in rc.local this line: python /path/script.py & but ... it's not working
3071[20:41:20] <kylix> I'm using Raspbian Wheezy on a Raspberry Pi 2
3072[20:41:35] <kylix> any hint?
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3074[20:42:23] <slink> kylix: my first guess would be path's and permissions, but that looks like it should work
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3076[20:42:25] <kylix> the script is executable
3077[20:42:40] <kylix> the path is /home/pi/app/
3078[20:43:03] <slink> you can try: which python, and putting the full path to it there in case it can't find it
3079[20:43:18] <TomTomTosch> !raspbian
3080[20:43:18] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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3082[20:43:35] <TomTomTosch> kylix: ^- you'll have better chances asking over there.
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3084[20:43:43] <kylix> thx
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3108[20:54:56] <noqnio1> I'm thinking of going from stable to testing, what happens to my packages that are from jessie-backports?
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3147[21:10:32] <sikwel> replaced-url
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3150[21:13:51] <rdz> hey all. how can i display the current battery discharge rate in modern linuxes? i only find current state, but not rate in /sys/class/power_supply
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3229[21:45:51] <fennesz> Hello ! After a clean install of Debian 8 64 , I get /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/normal.mod not found . Can someone help pls
3230[21:45:52] <fennesz> ?
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3233[21:47:42] <BinBasher> fennesz: replaced-url
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3238[21:49:03] <jmcnaught> the Debian installer can also be booted in a rescue mode that has a grub installation option
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3248[21:58:15] <fennesz> BinBasher, with this [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "EFI boot on HDD" || echo "Legacy boot on HDD" i get legacy boot on hdd
3249[21:58:30] <BinBasher> jmcnaught: to reinstall efi so you don't need refind?
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3251[21:58:58] <BinBasher> fennesz: do you want to install debian in EFI?
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3255[21:59:18] <fennesz> BinBasher, I just want the grub menu back :)
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3261[22:00:05] <wewlad> hello, how to force a mounted disc to get updated?
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3263[22:00:13] <wewlad> it shows outdated info :(
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3265[22:00:21] <BinBasher> fennesz: then I suggest you follow jmcnaught 's advice
3266[22:00:31] <fennesz> jmcnaught, I am using the live image right now , how can i proceed
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3272[22:01:55] <fennesz> ah wait I think I found normal.mod
3273[22:01:58] <fennesz> let me check this
3274[22:02:00] <jmcnaught> fennesz: you should use an installer image booted into rescue mode, or another live distro that supports booting from EFI. Debian Live does not support EFI
3275[22:02:26] <jmcnaught> so you will not be able to repair the grub-efi that you have installed using debian live
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3277[22:02:56] <fennesz> I have installed Debian on that machine without problems in the past
3278[22:03:02] <jmcnaught> are there other operating systems on the computer?
3279[22:03:10] <fennesz> I just made a clean install and having issues now
3280[22:03:20] <fennesz> yes windows 10 :(
3281[22:03:36] <jmcnaught> fennesz: did you install using the same live image that you are currently booted into?
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3283[22:03:52] <wewlad> fennesz: what did you install first?
3284[22:03:56] <BinBasher> windows 10 is botnet spyware
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3286[22:04:01] <fennesz> jmcnaught, not 100% sure
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3288[22:04:27] <jmcnaught> fennesz: how fresh is this install?
3289[22:04:41] <fennesz> jmcnaught, just installed it
3290[22:04:53] <fennesz> wait the win install or debian ?
3291[22:05:10] <jmcnaught> fennesz: and you don't remember which disk you used to install Debian a few minutes ago?
3292[22:05:28] <fennesz> no I dont remember if this is the same I used in the past
3293[22:05:42] <BinBasher> fennesz: did you install debian with the same disk you booted into right now? Debian Live?
3294[22:05:49] <fennesz> yes
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3296[22:06:03] <BinBasher> Debian Live doesn't support EFI
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3298[22:06:16] <jmcnaught> fennesz: you need to use an installer image for UEFI support (which dual-booting with windows 10 requires)
3299[22:06:18] <BinBasher> Please use a netinstaller or so
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3303[22:07:27] <BinBasher> I wonder... does the netinstaller use torrents or mirrors?
3304[22:07:42] <unborn> BinBasher: mirrors
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3307[22:08:03] <BinBasher> well that sucks :P
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3309[22:09:00] <unborn> if you said so, be it.
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3312[22:09:23] <jmcnaught> BinBasher: if you have lots of Debian systems you can install apt-cacher-ng on one of them, and configure it as a proxy in all the other system's apt preferences. then once a package is downloaded from a mirror once all the others download it locally
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3316[22:09:57] <jmcnaught> works for the installer too, or if you do lots of debootstrapping containers
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3319[22:10:59] <BinBasher> jmcnaught: that would be even more efficient with torrents...
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3323[22:12:15] <jmcnaught> BinBasher: replaced-url
3324[22:12:15] <TomTomTo1> p2p wouldn't be feasible for debian. people don't want to seed after installing. if you want to help with load you can provide a mirror.
3325[22:12:42] <fennesz> does ubuntu support uefi ?
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3327[22:12:47] <BinBasher> Why don't people want to seed?
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3329[22:12:55] <BinBasher> yes fennesz
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3331[22:13:05] <fennesz> If so how to proceed?
3332[22:13:18] <fennesz> once booted into the Ubuntu live disk ?
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3335[22:13:54] <TomTomTo1> !ubuntu
3336[22:13:54] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
3337[22:14:00] <BinBasher> fennesz: it'll be more profitable to reinstall Debian with a netinstaller, in my opinion
3338[22:14:13] <unborn> jmcnaught: that is great!
3339[22:14:16] <jmcnaught> fennesz: oh i don't know if the ubuntu live disk boots in EFI mode. i've suggested the debian installer in rescue mode a few times
3340[22:14:39] <unborn> i mean regards apt-cacher-ng
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3343[22:15:00] <fennesz> jmcnaught, How can i get into rescue mode?
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3345[22:15:46] <jmcnaught> fennesz: it's available in the installer's boot menu under advanced
3346[22:15:59] <fennesz> ok and reinstall the system ?
3347[22:16:02] <BinBasher> jmcnaught: is DebTorrent a thing already or just a concept?
3348[22:16:58] <jmcnaught> BinBasher: i don't think it's be done yet
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3350[22:17:32] <fennesz> jmcnaught, On the advanced options i have Hardware detection tool and Memory diagnostic tool
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3352[22:18:27] <jmcnaught> fennesz: which ISO are you using now?
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3354[22:18:49] <fennesz> one moment
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3356[22:20:28] <fennesz> jmcnaught, debian-live-8.2.0-amd64-gnome-desktop
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3360[22:21:36] <BinBasher> jmcnaught: replaced-url
3361[22:21:46] <jmcnaught> fennesz: replaced-url
3362[22:21:54] <jmcnaught> fennesz: do *NOT* use a live image
3363[22:22:06] <BinBasher> fennesz: ^^^^ read that
3364[22:23:10] <fennesz> ok
3365[22:23:12] <BinBasher> wait a minute... 8.5 is out?
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3367[22:23:17] <fennesz> and just reinstall it ?
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3369[22:23:44] <BinBasher> :D 8.5 is out
3370[22:24:05] <wewlad> hey
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3372[22:24:41] <jmcnaught> BinBasher: oh, i guess i missed debtorrent when it was a thing. i wonder how many people used it
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3377[22:25:21] <BinBasher> jmcnaught: I really feel like it should be revived
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3386[22:27:36] <BinBasher> have there been any complaints about bumblebee not working properly with nvidia anymore? I can't seem to get it working even when manually fixing the bumblebee.conf
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3390[22:29:15] <BinBasher> and reinstalling bumblebee of course
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3395[22:30:52] <ryouma> what is the most reliable way to detect when i have turned on or off my monitor on my desktop? i tried "journalctl --since -15m -o short-iso" and got nothing interesting.
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3399[22:31:43] <awwal> replaced-url
3400[22:32:18] <fennesz_> The download takes ages ..
3401[22:32:28] <fennesz_> is there any torrent file i can download?
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3403[22:33:21] <jmcnaught> fennesz: replaced-url
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3406[22:33:59] <fennesz_> thanks a lot jmcnaught
3407[22:34:07] <ryouma> awwal: interesting
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3415[22:37:31] <fennesz_> replaced-url
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3428[22:40:00] <ryouma> is it possible to detect monitor turning on and off?
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3478[23:05:36] <spacebug^> truing to get back/forward to work in Gnome and Iceweasel. Installed imwheel but can't get it to work..
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3490[23:13:08] <sewerinspector> Hey all. I'm trying to install the grsec patched kernel from debian and i'm getting this error: replaced-url
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3495[23:16:08] <awwal> gpkg description sounds interesting, but in human words what's grsec patched kernel?
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3501[23:16:44] <sewerinspector> awwal: replaced-url
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3504[23:17:03] <awwal> sewerinspector, ok :)
3505[23:17:05] <sewerinspector> :)
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3507[23:17:36] <sewerinspector> i tried compiling my own grsec patched kernel but was running into some other problems (that i'll probably end up asking the grsec people).
3508[23:17:45] <sewerinspector> kinda cool though.
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3515[23:22:31] <awwal> sewerinspector, I never heard about that. is that kind of kernel interesting for home use?
3516[23:22:58] <awwal> debian system personal/home daily use
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3521[23:24:15] <sewerinspector> sure, i suppose. that's what i'm using it for
3522[23:24:26] <sewerinspector> mostly just to learn about it's functionality i mean
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3528[23:25:27] <awwal> the end user notice any difference in practice when using it instead of the standard kernel?
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3537[23:29:43] <awwal> I have one machine windows/debian dual boot. In the past windows have control above debian partitions regarding power and time/date when in dual boot. Now with/thanks to systemd, the reverse happens :P :) I like how things are ;)
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3539[23:31:13] <sewerinspector> i doubt the end user would really see a difference
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3541[23:31:48] <sewerinspector> i wasn't really around for the sysvinit days so i can't have an opinion on that vs systemd to be honest
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3547[23:33:49] <awwal> I don't know what systemd have done it, but after executing "timedatectl set-local-rtc 0" time/date is always correct in my debian system and windows gets lost (incorrect time) :P What systemd have done exactly making windows 10 unable to set time correctly?
3548[23:34:58] <sewerinspector> systemd on your debian install shouldn't have anything to do with windows
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3551[23:35:15] <sewerinspector> unless it's affecting something in your efi or something
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3553[23:35:37] <Arrowmaster> windows only likes the bios to be set to local time, linux and other os's set it to UTC
3554[23:35:44] <sewerinspector> there ya go
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3558[23:36:22] <dbtid> hi; i need a little help understanding something about package availability.
3559[23:36:30] <dbtid> i have a pine64 ARM board with a debian distro on it.
3560[23:36:37] <dbtid> i want to install nodejs 4.4.3
3561[23:36:52] <dbtid> it's not visible in apt anywhere, but on packages.debian.org it says it's there.
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3565[23:37:05] <dbtid> so i'm guessing it has something to do with the repositories that are configured?
3566[23:37:20] <Arrowmaster> ,versions nodejs
3567[23:37:22] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.3.1~dfsg-3; sid: 4.4.3~dfsg-1; experimental: 6.0.0~dfsg-1
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3569[23:37:45] <Arrowmaster> 4.4.3 only available in sid
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3572[23:38:41] <dbtid> ok, i don't know what sid is.
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3574[23:38:51] <dbtid> so it's not available in jessie?
3575[23:38:53] <Arrowmaster> unstable version of debian
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3577[23:39:02] <dbtid> ah ok
3578[23:39:10] <dbtid> so i'd have to go find a version of node for this arm debian.
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3582[23:39:36] <awwal> If I set (with timedatectl) the RTC in uneversal time, time/date are correct in my debian system and incorrect in wondows, if I set RTC to local time, time/date are correct in windows and incorrect in debian.
3583[23:39:42] <cbug> someone running sid and pure-ftpd who can confirm that pure-ftpd is dropping any connections after 20seconds? Searching someone else with that problem before reporting a bug :)
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3585[23:39:55] <dbtid> so i clicked the "jessie" link and it gave me just node 0.10... which is what i found on the rpi.
3586[23:39:58] <dbtid> thanks Arrowmaster
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3588[23:40:24] <Arrowmaster> awwal: probably needs to be set in more places than just that
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3598[23:42:35] <awwal> Arrowmaster, I dont care about windows and it's incorrect date/time, I use it rarelly bcoz of school. The most important is my debian daily use system. Just wanted to understand what systemd does exactly making windows lost :P
3599[23:42:55] <Arrowmaster> dpkg: utc
3600[23:42:56] <dpkg> Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (replaced-url
3601[23:43:44] <unborn> cbug: It should disconnect you - you can setup your ftp client to keep it live perhaps adding this to your ftpd config.. to be honest, I used ftp last time 3 years ago..
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3603[23:43:53] <Arrowmaster> the hardware clock doesnt know about timezones, linux sets it to UTC and windows sets it to your local timezone, you change it in /etc/adjtime so linux will set it to local time though
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3609[23:45:35] <cbug> unborn: yeah I would prefer sftp, but 500kb/s is a little slow against 14mb/s using ftp-ssl
3610[23:45:37] <McAndrew> hi all - i installed a router based on debian - its running well. now i want logging all connections from clients inside a mysql-database - i want informatiuons like: client-ip, destination-ip adress, destination domain-name, destination port, connection-time
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3612[23:45:58] <McAndrew> anyone knows a good webside where i can get informations about that?
3613[23:46:03] <cbug> unborn: why should it disconnect me?
3614[23:46:37] <unborn> cbug: if user is idle is there any needs to be connected?
3615[23:46:41] <awwal> Arrowmaster, ok (Y)
3616[23:46:57] <cbug> unborn: user is transfering 200gb.. i would not call that idle
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3618[23:47:37] <unborn> cbug: ah while transfer? i see.. do you have opened passive ports in your ftpd config?
3619[23:48:20] <cbug> unborn: I tried passive and active mode, but ftp localhost should not care about.
3620[23:48:37] <cbug> unborn: and pure-ftp tells me 220 You will be disconnected after 10 minutes of inactivity.
3621[23:48:43] <cbug> as idle timer
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3623[23:49:42] <unborn> cbug: on localhost you should not use any special configuration.. it should work out of the box
3624[23:49:51] <cbug> unborn: exactly
3625[23:50:13] <unborn> cbug: but that connection is slow on localhost anyway
3626[23:50:38] <cbug> unborn: I were issueing ls instead of the transfer while testing ftp localhost
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3628[23:51:11] <cbug> unborn: I currently do not care for the speed, but I care for the drop. - which happens exactly 20 seconds after successfull login
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3633[23:53:03] <unborn> cbug: you should as 14megs transferring files locally is - something is not right.. you would be faster transfer files locally by just copying then from one folder to another. since that is localhost which means one machine uploading nowhere I am not sure what issue could be.. sorry.
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3636[23:53:48] <stonerfish> ryouma did you find a solution to your question regarding powerr on/off state of monitor
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3640[23:54:40] <i5513> hello, people,
3641[23:54:46] <michipili> hello :)
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3644[23:55:22] <michipili> hello! is there any package containing a dtd for "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" ?
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3646[23:55:25] <cbug> unborn: nah, sorry u misunderstood me, I am sorry for that. - I explain full: the server is behind a router on a 100mbit connection. The client is somewhere else located. There I get 14mb/s. - after beeing disconnected every 20seconds, I started to investigate. I discovered that the 20 seconds disconnect is also while issueing ftp on the box itself.
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3649[23:55:47] <michipili> I tried w3c-sgml-lib but it does not
3650[23:55:59] <cbug> unborn: so it is not related with the remote connection
3651[23:56:25] <unborn> cbug: not localhost but lan aka localnet heh :) sorry for misunderstanding
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3653[23:57:09] <i5513> how can I be sure that exim4 not start at boot time ? I have tried to mask the service, but it did not work
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3655[23:57:28] <unborn> cbug: must be something in config file then if that give you like 10 minutes of connection and then will kick you out
3656[23:57:35] <i5513> I would like to start it after my user have login
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3662[23:58:46] <i5513> michipili
3663[23:58:49] <i5513> sgml-data: /usr/share/sgml/html/dtd/4.0/strict.dtd
3664[23:58:52] <i5513> is it ?
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3666[23:59:12] <i5513> sgml-data: /usr/share/sgml/html/dtd/4.01/strict.dtd
3667[23:59:13] <unborn> cbug: did you check firewall on remote machine?
3668[23:59:15] <somiaj> i5513: masking the service didn't stop it from running? Did you disable it after you masked it?
3669[23:59:33] <somiaj> i5513: could it be some other service that is starting it, systemctl status should tell you what service is running exim.
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