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0 [00:00:00] <awwal> mazert, sid and jessie here, no /dev/radio too :( thanks :)
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7 [00:01:38] <mazert> I did not know this directory.
8 [00:01:53] <cluelessperson> is there a way to apt-get a SINGLE package from jessie-backports without adding it to sources?
9 [00:02:11] <mazert> to use radio card for listining stations
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12 [00:04:33] <mazert> cluelessperson: i think you can't, cause you need to have the package list for jessie backport
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15 [00:05:33] <mutante> cluelessperson: you can manually download it from the http server and then use dpkg -i, but not really recommended
16 [00:05:41] <mazert> or if it is for a single package only, you can download it from web, then dpkg -i package.deb
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19 [00:06:11] <mazert> but ckecking the sha1 sum first of course ;)
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49 [00:13:12] <rabenvog1l> hey :)
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51 [00:14:03] <rabenvog1l> do you guys know whats happening at my server? i try to edit the php.ini as root and i dont have writing permissions for whatever reasons...
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53 [00:14:15] <rabenvog1l> anybody know a solution?
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55 [00:14:59] <awwal> mazert, trying to get 'radio' pkg working :) replaced-url
56 [00:15:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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60 [00:16:23] <LtL> rabenvog1l: change its permissions/edit/change back perms. it could be 'locked' in use maybe
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62 [00:16:25] <kevin-leptons> rabenvog, i do not know that file mode are support here ?
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65 [00:17:44] <rabenvog1l> its a the php configuration file in my case for an apache webserver
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67 [00:18:49] <LtL> rabenvog1l: yeah figured that, does it have write permission? 'stat php.ini'
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70 [00:19:56] <rabenvog1l> yeah it says writing permission for root
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77 [00:22:39] <rabenvog1l> still when i open it as root it says readonly it is so strange
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81 [00:23:18] <kevin-leptons> rabenvog1l: try to check any process using php.ini
82 [00:23:31] <unborn> rabenvog1l: as root you should be able to edit php.ini file
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85 [00:23:52] <rabenvog1l> @unborn im trying to that
86 [00:24:10] <unborn> rabenvog1l: how do you edit file? directly in terminal or via some gui?
87 [00:24:10] <rabenvog1l> kevin-leptions: k
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89 [00:24:21] <rabenvog1l> unborn: via ssh
90 [00:24:29] <unborn> rabenvog1l: aka nano?
91 [00:24:30] <rabenvog1l> unborn: no gui though
92 [00:24:35] <rabenvog1l> unborn: yea ^
93 [00:25:01] <afernandez_> aka vi
94 [00:25:04] <rabenvog1l> unborn: vi doesn't work either
95 [00:25:10] <afernandez_> as root
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97 [00:25:17] <unborn> rabenvog1l: so you should be able to edit.. just ssh root@yourdomian.com and then nano /path to any file
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99 [00:25:26] <kevin-leptons> what is mean. some thing wrong. you use ssh then you must edit by vim or nano
100 [00:25:31] <unborn> or vi
101 [00:25:35] <jmcnaught> rabenvog1l: can you please run "stat php.ini" and put the results on replaced-url
102 [00:25:39] <afernandez_> you mut change to root after ssh
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104 [00:25:50] <rabenvog1l> i did that
105 [00:25:50] <afernandez_> must*
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107 [00:25:58] <rabenvog1l> i went sudo -i
108 [00:25:59] <meh__> if you are creating patches for a debian package
109 [00:26:00] <rabenvog1l> still didnt work
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111 [00:26:03] <meh__> this would work?
112 [00:26:06] <unborn> or just log directly as root
113 [00:26:15] <rabenvog1l> ill try that
114 [00:26:25] <meh__> 1 reame your editions of code with exxtension .new "example, as.cc to asd.cc.new"
115 [00:26:37] <meh__> 2 run in terminal: diff -u asd.cc asd.cc.new
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117 [00:27:03] <unborn> rabenvog1l: just log to server directly as root.. ssh root@...
118 [00:27:04] <meh__> 3 delete the .new of the patch
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123 [00:28:28] <jmcnaught> meh__: most Debian packages now use quilt to manage patches. If you "/msg dpkg nmg" the bot will respond with a link to a guide that introduces the concept. quilt also has its own docs.
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127 [00:30:08] <rabenvog1l> x
128 [00:30:26] <unborn> rabenvog1l: I guess it worked
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130 [00:31:31] <rabenvog1l> unborn: nope
131 [00:31:36] <rabenvog1l> unborn: still didn't work
132 [00:31:41] <rabenvog1l> here's the stats
133 [00:31:42] <rabenvog1l> replaced-url
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135 [00:32:17] <rabenvog1l> vy!8Y(UFcO/PjU5%PMOd;5&#S
136 [00:32:30] <unborn> rabenvog1l: are you logged in as root?
137 [00:32:35] <afernandez_> I guess that is your pw?
138 [00:32:43] <rabenvog1l> yes i am
139 [00:32:45] <jmcnaught> rabenvog1l: if that's a password it's time to change it :)
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142 [00:32:52] <afernandez_> ha ha ha ha
143 [00:32:55] <rabenvog1l> wooooopsy :D
144 [00:33:01] <rabenvog1l> haha
145 [00:33:04] <unborn> haha
146 [00:33:05] <rabenvog1l> brb
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148 [00:33:14] <afernandez_> pwgen -ny 16
149 [00:33:22] <LtL> rabenvog1l: that file is writable as root
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153 [00:33:45] <unborn> yeah its writeable
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155 [00:34:14] <unborn> rabenvog1l: you doing something wrong or you are not logged in as root
156 [00:34:26] <kevin-leptons> rabenvog1l: if you use vim, you can use override command 'w!'. with some file setting as /etc/sudores, debian vim require to override. may be php.ini too :D
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159 [00:35:09] <unborn> kevin-leptons: I think he is logged in as root directly and not via su or sudo command
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161 [00:35:23] <rabenvog1l> ok
162 [00:35:27] <rabenvog1l> i was logged in as root directly
163 [00:35:30] <jmcnaught> kevin-leptons: best not to edit /etc/sudoers directly, you should use "visudo" instead
164 [00:35:32] <rabenvog1l> also used sudo
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166 [00:35:46] <rabenvog1l> and also used sudo -i to elevate privileges
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172 [00:36:48] <unborn> or just su command
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175 [00:37:17] <unborn> however if you was not able to edit file as root logged in directly rabenvog1l then something is wrong
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177 [00:37:31] <rabenvog1l> true
178 [00:37:31] <jmcnaught> rabenvog1l: if "whoami" says root then you're root. is it possible that the filesystem is mounted read-only?
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180 [00:37:46] <unborn> usually you edit php.ini and then just restart apache to apply configuration and you done..
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182 [00:37:54] <kevin-leptons> unborn: i not sure. may be ask him credential to log to server to see :D
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185 [00:38:41] <kevin-leptons> jmcnaught: can you explain reasons ? i have not more knowledge in secure
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187 [00:38:59] <unborn> kevin-leptons: im too old for this but - I guess I should be laughing or something
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195 [00:41:57] <kevin-leptons> unborn: i sure that some thing went wrong!
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198 [00:42:35] <rabenvog1l> jmcnaught: no its not
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200 [00:43:09] <unborn> rabenvog1l: that is weird.. check user accounts on your server
201 [00:43:15] <jmcnaught> kevin-leptons: visudo validates that the syntax is correct before saving the file, and makes sure it's not being edited more than once at a time
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204 [00:43:42] <jmcnaught> rabenvog1l: what is the exact error you get when you try to save it?
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207 [00:44:19] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I'm installing a new Jessie system and can't seem to get ethernet interface bonding working like I could in Wheezy. (Though systems upgraded from Wheezy are fine.)
208 [00:44:31] <Pegasus_RPG> I'm getting bonding: bond0: option mode: unable to set because the bond device has slaves
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210 [00:44:53] <Pegasus_RPG> And I'm like "of course it has slaves! that's the point!"
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212 [00:45:29] <Pegasus_RPG> Full output from 'ifup bond0' is: [ 1151.658215] bonding: bond0: option mode: unable to set because the bond device has slaves
213 [00:45:29] <Pegasus_RPG> sh: echo: I/O error
214 [00:45:29] <Pegasus_RPG> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
215 [00:45:29] <Pegasus_RPG> Failed to bring up bond0.
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220 [00:46:05] <rabenvog1l> jmcnaught: E45: 'readonly' option is set (add ! to override)
221 [00:46:10] <unborn> Pegasus_RPG: use paste.debian.net :)
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224 [00:46:30] <rabenvog1l> jmcnaught: when i try to override it: "php.ini" E212: Can't open file for writing
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226 [00:46:44] <Pegasus_RPG> unborn: right, so replaced-url
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228 [00:47:50] <unborn> rabenvog1l: ah :)
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230 [00:48:10] <unborn> rabenvog1l: is that your server or its some server from hosting company?
231 [00:48:51] <rabenvog1l> unborn: why is that relevant?
232 [00:48:52] <unborn> rabenvog1l: I think this explains a lot.. seems to me that you will need to speak to your hosting company
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234 [00:48:57] <unborn> yes it is rabenvog1l
235 [00:49:08] <rabenvog1l> unborn: no im sure it is but why :D?
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237 [00:49:41] <unborn> some hosting companies wont allow you edit those kind of files.. you can even give it 0777 and you wont be able to edit that anyway
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239 [00:49:50] <rabenvog1l> unborn: ok
240 [00:49:58] <snfgf> how do I find where my linker is searching for libraries and add a location?
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242 [00:50:12] <jmcnaught> rabenvog1l: if it's some sort of container style VPS you might actually not have permission due to some config problem by the host
243 [00:50:31] <unborn> rabenvog1l: if you would have build server on your own let say on your pc or machine thats different
244 [00:50:53] <rabenvog1l> hmmm
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246 [00:50:59] <rabenvog1l> well i don't host the server myself
247 [00:51:02] <unborn> rabenvog1l: as jmcnaught said.. as soon as I seen e212 it was self explanatory
248 [00:51:07] <rabenvog1l> but I was the one installing php on it :D
249 [00:51:16] <unborn> rabenvog1l: speak to your hosting
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253 [00:51:58] <Pegasus_RPG> So now I tried manually with 'ifenslave bond0 eth2 eth1' and I get 'bonding: bond0: option slaves: unable to set because the bond device is up'
254 [00:52:00] <jmcnaught> rabenvog1l: what does lsattr say for the file?
255 [00:52:01] <rabenvog1l> unborn: k will do. thanks to all of you for the help!
256 [00:52:04] <Pegasus_RPG> yet it's not
257 [00:52:17] <unborn> Pegasus_RPG: did you look here? replaced-url
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259 [00:52:25] <rabenvog1l> jmcnaught: ----i--------e-- php.ini
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261 [00:53:25] <jmcnaught> rabenvog1l: hah! so the immutable attribute was set on this file at one point. use chattr to unset the 'i' flag
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264 [00:54:23] <rabenvog1l> WOW
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267 [00:55:10] <kevin-leptons> that is work ?
268 [00:55:12] <rabenvog1l> y
269 [00:55:20] <rabenvog1l> why didn't i think of this first
270 [00:55:41] <rabenvog1l> well - thank you like a lot.
271 [00:55:42] <jmcnaught> rabenvog1l: do you remember doing "chattr +i php.ini" at some point? i see that attribute get recommended sometimes but i generally think it's silly because it's easy to forget
272 [00:55:55] <jmcnaught> rabenvog1l: cheers :)
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274 [00:55:58] <kevin-leptons> funny
275 [00:56:18] <unborn> jmcnaught: hosting companies do this sometimes..
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279 [00:56:42] <Pegasus_RPG> unborn: no, but I've done what that says already. At least it provides some debugging tools
280 [00:57:00] <unborn> and to be honest with you.. I wouldnt be thinking same rabenvog1l .. It did not come to my mind at all as well.
281 [00:57:06] <kevin-leptons> i never have problem. but who add 'i' att of php.ini ?
282 [00:57:07] <rabenvog1l> unborn & jmcnaught: could have been me - have that server for quite some time now and set the lamp stack up months ago
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284 [00:57:52] <rabenvog1l> just checked the guide i used - there it is ... :D
285 [00:57:56] <jmcnaught> rabenvog1l: usually i see +i getting used when a file keeps getting changed and someone doesn't know how to stop it from happening
286 [00:58:20] <hill-Menwith> hullorz
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288 [00:58:50] <hill-Menwith> How many bytes does a full install of Debian on a hard disk take?
289 [00:59:00] <rabenvog1l> yeah i thought it may just be a nice security feature - if people are now aware enough of this as i am for example :D
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291 [00:59:25] <Pegasus_RPG> unborn: so it's working now after a reboot
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294 [01:00:26] <unborn> Pegasus_RPG: could be that.. a bit unusual.
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299 [01:01:30] <jmcnaught> hill-Menwith: some answers in this appendix of the install manual: replaced-url
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301 [01:01:38] <somiaj> hill-Menwith: hard question to answer because of the varity of packages that culd be included in a 'full install'
302 [01:01:45] <unborn> hill-Menwith: I think 4 - 6 gigs?
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304 [01:02:31] <unborn> hill-Menwith: naked system and ssh only should be less then 4 gigs.. lets say 10 gb disk would be more then fine
305 [01:03:03] <hill-Menwith> i want to put in everything ... including the kitchen sink
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309 [01:03:55] <axc1298> just download all the dvds then
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311 [01:03:59] <axc1298> and you will have everything there is
312 [01:04:26] <hill-Menwith> axc1298: but i wonder about decompressed, installation size
313 [01:04:33] <Pegasus_RPG> Next issue: I have an IPv4 DHCP server running on one box as well as an IPv6 autoconfiguration service on another that just gives the IPv6 address prefix. The problem is that dhclient gets the limited info from the IPv6 server and doesn't ask the IPv4 one which has more details.
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315 [01:04:40] <hill-Menwith> how big should my partition be
316 [01:04:56] <jmcnaught> hill-Menwith: you probably don't want to install all of the packages in Debian, there's like 40,000 of them. some of them conflict with each other too.
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318 [01:05:19] <hill-Menwith> jmcnaught: but only at runtime, no?
319 [01:05:50] <jmcnaught> hill-Menwith: if you just want a reasonable comprehensive desktop environment, productivity programs, some development tools, 15-20GB for the root filesystem is plenty
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323 [01:06:58] <hill-Menwith> ALL development tools ... for Ruby, Haskell, Python, Lisp, Android ... every development, including COBOL
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325 [01:07:53] <somiaj> hill-Menwith: you could set up LVM and adjust the size once you get everything installed
326 [01:07:56] <okee> My microphone went out on VOIP, and I can't remember how to fix it. I recall it is a configuration issue with the sound card, and requires opening up a piece of software to change the settings. Can someone remind me how this is done? I have a notepad with saved settings that should apply to the sound card if it is working correctly.
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328 [01:08:15] <unborn> hill-Menwith: for complet repository you should have 2tb disk minimum
329 [01:08:34] <Twinkletoes> I'm following the guide on wiki.samba.org to join samba as a DC to an existing AD domain. If the internal DNS server just forwards to a Windows DNS server, is it worth having samba as an additional DC? ie. what can it do without the Windows DC being there?
330 [01:08:35] <hill-Menwith> 2TB? seriously?
331 [01:08:39] <somiaj> okee: do you use pulseaudio or not
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336 [01:08:55] <unborn> hill-Menwith: if you want install whole repository then yes
337 [01:08:57] <okee> somiaj> I think I do, but trying to find it on here.
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340 [01:09:03] <somiaj> hill-Menwith: debian has 20,000+ packages, you wno't be using most of those. But it is the size needed for the complect collection of all packages.
341 [01:09:16] <somiaj> okee: ps fax | grep pulse (do you see any processes running with pulse in the name)
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343 [01:09:18] <hill-Menwith> aight
344 [01:09:28] <kevin-leptons> hill-Menwith: pick an 2 tera bytes hd, i think that enough :)
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346 [01:09:38] <mutante> okee: maybe "aumix" ?
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349 [01:09:42] <okee> somiaj> I just found the program in the start menu. Give me about a minute to check the settings.
350 [01:09:53] <hill-Menwith> kevin-leptons: yeh. some good deals on 3 Ters
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357 [01:11:14] <somiaj> hill-Menwith: you can probabaly have a all the development tools and a desktop installed in debian for less than 30gigs (very rough guess). Any modern drive should have more than enough space (its the actual source code that can begin to take up a lot of space)
358 [01:11:14] <kevin-leptons> hill-Menwith: if able to pick 2 of 2 tera bytes hd, you can put bathroom into it :)
359 [01:11:32] <somiaj> hill-Menwith: if you use LVM you can adjust partition sizes at a later date if you didn't pick a good enough number.
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363 [01:12:34] <unborn> hill-Menwith: oh sorry just re-read your need.. only dev tools? i guess you should be okay with 100gigs perhaps 500gigs for all within /home
364 [01:13:12] <hill-Menwith> somiaj: i see what you mean. probably makes sense to keep sources compressed, and decomp as needed
365 [01:13:20] <hill-Menwith> unborn: cool
366 [01:13:43] <somiaj> hill-Menwith: I'm just talking the size of the uncompressed binary packages, once you start collecting source code or creating your own the space can get used up faster.
367 [01:13:57] <hill-Menwith> kevin-leptons: and the inflatable backyard pool ... lol :)
368 [01:14:24] <hill-Menwith> somiaj: ok
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371 [01:15:38] <hill-Menwith> i'll say 500GB, for comfort sake, and it'll prolly accomodate growth of distro versions for the next 3 generations, i'd say
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373 [01:16:36] <hill-Menwith> but by then, i'll just LVM more HDDs if need be
374 [01:17:12] <hill-Menwith> incidentally, what's a good encryption scheme for LVM?
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378 [01:18:03] <jmcnaught> hill-Menwith: the installer can setup LVM inside dm-crypt/luks encryption
379 [01:18:23] <hill-Menwith> jmcnaught: great
380 [01:18:42] <jmcnaught> hill-Menwith: you may want to manually reduce the size of the largest volume (it can be done in the installer) to leave some unallocated space
381 [01:19:11] <hill-Menwith> jmcnaught: to be able to increase volume sizes later on?
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386 [01:19:58] <kevin-leptons> hill-Menwith: in problem seriously. you need have enough space for (package + dev-package + source + build-file + fragment + backup). so 1 TB are best. i think that
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389 [01:20:19] <hill-Menwith> kevin-leptons: i see. ok
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391 [01:21:38] <Pegasus_RPG> Dammit, how can I find out what is overwriting /etc/resolv.conf ?!
392 [01:22:01] <sweettea> resolveconf? networkmanager?
393 [01:22:22] <LtL> Pegasus_RPG: probably network-manager
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395 [01:22:40] <Pegasus_RPG> resolvconf is not installed. I removed isc-dhcp-client to test as well. What's network-manager's package name?
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397 [01:23:00] <unborn> Pegasus_RPG: :) put your settings there and save and then do chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
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399 [01:23:35] <Pegasus_RPG> unborn: I thought about that, but that seems hacky. I'd like to do the "right" thing. :)
400 [01:23:53] <somiaj> install resolvconf or openresolv
401 [01:24:15] <sweettea> either disable network-manager or embrace it
402 [01:24:18] <Pegasus_RPG> yeah, network-manager is not installed either
403 [01:24:22] <Pegasus_RPG> so WTF
404 [01:24:36] * Pegasus_RPG just has a bare install with nothing selected in tasksel
405 [01:24:39] <sweettea> dhcp?
406 [01:24:46] <somiaj> And then just let those programs keep your resolv.conf from changing, that is if you are not able to track down what is modifing that file.
407 [01:24:57] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: how do you configure your network?
408 [01:24:58] <unborn> Pegasus_RPG: replaced-url
409 [01:25:16] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj: /etc/network/interfaces
410 [01:25:35] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: care to share that file with us.
411 [01:27:00] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj: replaced-url
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415 [01:28:04] <Pegasus_RPG> Okay, I could use resolvconf, but what's weird is that another machine I have (which was upgraded from Wheezy) doesn't have that installed and it doesn't overwrite resolv.conf
416 [01:28:09] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: I don't think the allow-hotplug is the issue, but you may not need that (unless you want it triggering when a hotplug event is detected with your network)
417 [01:28:38] <sweettea> id dhcpdc running
418 [01:28:40] <sweettea> is*
419 [01:28:52] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: but I don't see anything that should be overwriting the resolv.conf file, maybe use iotop or some other tool to keep an eye on that file and see what is modifing it
420 [01:29:01] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: also do you have any files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/?
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423 [01:29:59] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj: no files in there
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425 [01:30:23] <Pegasus_RPG> sweettea: no process with 'dhcp' in its name is running
426 [01:30:44] <juul> Pegasus_RPG: what about dhclient?
427 [01:31:01] <Pegasus_RPG> juul: no. I removed the package to be sure
428 [01:31:08] <sweettea> removed, but rebooted since?
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430 [01:31:14] <Pegasus_RPG> ah, no
431 [01:31:19] <sweettea> actually nm idk how deb does that
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433 [01:31:22] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: I don't see any obvious culprit. I know systemd has a networkd that can mange network devices (as yet another tool). By default this should be disabled in debian, but maybe it got configured and systemd is the culrpit.
434 [01:31:25] <Pegasus_RPG> (though I don't see dhclient in ps)
435 [01:31:29] <sweettea> it would stop the proc b4 removing it, right?
436 [01:31:31] <juul> ps aux|grep dhclient ?
437 [01:31:39] <Pegasus_RPG> juul: yeah, nothing
438 [01:31:54] <mutante> 'pump' is another dhcp client
439 [01:31:58] <Pegasus_RPG> (well, other then the grep of course)
440 [01:32:14] <juul> dnsmasq?
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442 [01:32:22] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj: how could I check?
443 [01:32:30] <sweettea> that does not touch resolv.conf iirc
444 [01:32:32] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: I would just put a watch on the file and see if you could figure out which process is actually modifing the file.
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446 [01:32:49] <sweettea> yea at this point id watch the file on reboot
447 [01:32:59] <sweettea> see what touches it
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450 [01:33:57] <juul> i'm pretty sure dnsmasq does touch resolv.conf
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452 [01:34:40] <juul> though maybe it happens through network-manager?
453 [01:34:49] <juul> i'd also run: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
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456 [01:35:47] <unborn> heh its midnight again.. meh good nite.
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458 [01:36:08] <Pegasus_RPG> thanks for your help unborn
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460 [01:36:30] * Pegasus_RPG reads how to put a watch on a file
461 [01:36:31] <jmcnaught> !restart networking
462 [01:36:31] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, the use of the networking init script to reload networking configuration («/etc/init.d/networking restart») is discouraged. Instead, perform the actions you really want. Re-apply changes from /etc/network/interfaces: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0. Remove all iptables rules: iptables -F. See also <mdblows>.
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466 [01:37:10] <Pegasus_RPG> jmcnaught: okay. I've been in the habit of just doing ifdown && ifup anyway
467 [01:37:29] <jmcnaught> Pegasus_RPG: that was more for juul :)
468 [01:37:30] <sweettea> im super curious what the cuplrit is now
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473 [01:38:09] <Pegasus_RPG> sweettea: I'm rebooting then will install inotify
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479 [01:41:24] <Pegasus_RPG> Hmm, it's staying put
480 [01:41:51] <Pegasus_RPG> sweettea: perhaps the isc-dhcp-client was the cuplrit. I'll reinstall it and see
481 [01:41:53] <sweettea> maybe you uninstalled the culprit
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483 [01:42:33] <kevin-leptons> i have go to bed, see you again
484 [01:43:05] <Pegasus_RPG> Oh, frikking aye, now the bond0 interface isn't working
485 [01:43:23] <Pegasus_RPG> Cannot find device "bond0"
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489 [01:44:43] <Pegasus_RPG> WTF?!?! It even says in the syslog that it's up, but ifconfig doesn't see it
490 [01:44:48] <juul> jmcnaught: aw i liked that command
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492 [01:45:09] <juul> Pegasus_RPG: ifconfig -a ? also ifconfig is deprecated, use ip addr show
493 [01:45:11] <Pegasus_RPG> "bond0: error fetching interface information: Device not found"
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495 [01:45:25] <Pegasus_RPG> juul: ip addr doesn't list it either
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497 [01:45:37] <Pegasus_RPG> I didn't change my /etc/network/interfaces from what I pasted earlier
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501 [01:46:08] <juul> alright, i don't have experience with bonding
502 [01:46:18] <kevin-leptons> close
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510 [01:47:41] <hill-Menwith> Pegasus_RPG: let me mention something, before you reinstall
511 [01:47:49] * Pegasus_RPG isn't serious... yet
512 [01:48:08] <Pegasus_RPG> but go ahead, hill-Menwith
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518 [01:49:11] <Pegasus_RPG> networking[403]: Configuring network interfaces...Cannot find device "bond0"
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522 [01:49:53] <Pegasus_RPG> oh jeez, apparently I can't ahve the "inet6 auto" line for a bonded interface
523 [01:50:05] <Pegasus_RPG> right, so back to fixing resolv.conf
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528 [01:50:42] <hill-Menwith> whenever i try to change settings of networking (host name, DNS, etc.) i get error "Could not access resolv.conf", or something to that effect. But the file is there: /etc/resolv.conf. No matter all permissions i give the file (ugo +rwx), error persists.
529 [01:51:11] <teraflops> Pegasus_RPG: how do you get the ip address? is it a fixed one or you get via dhcp?
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531 [01:52:07] <Pegasus_RPG> teraflops: static
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533 [01:52:50] <hill-Menwith> annoyed me. now i just ignore it, as long as my networking does what i want ... :|
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535 [01:53:49] <hill-Menwith> i tried writing the /etc/resolv.conf by hand . . . then something would rewrite it ... and say it couldn't find the file ... bleah
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538 [01:53:56] <teraflops> Pegasus_RPG: how do you manage the network? e/n/i, NM (other?)
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541 [01:54:08] <Pegasus_RPG> sweettea: I still have the dhcp client removed and the file is still being changed. inotify is saying so but not telling me who or what process is changing it
542 [01:54:15] <Pegasus_RPG> teraflops: e/n/i
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546 [01:55:05] <teraflops> Pegasus_RPG: no any other services running? like dhcp instances or NM?
547 [01:55:51] <sweettea> damn
548 [01:56:04] <sweettea> wait inotify did not tell you what altered it?
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552 [01:56:28] <Pegasus_RPG> sweettea: no, just that it's been opened, modified, and close_write'd
553 [01:56:59] <teraflops> Pegasus_RPG: do you specify the dns-nameservers in the e/n/i file?
554 [01:57:07] <Pegasus_RPG> teraflops: not at the moment
555 [01:57:10] <jmcnaught> Pegasus_RPG: is there anything in journalctl from the time it got modified?
556 [01:57:32] <sweettea> replaced-url
557 [01:57:46] <Pegasus_RPG> jmcnaught: no
558 [01:57:55] <teraflops> Pegasus_RPG: also no dnsmaq or unbound or resolvconf packages installed?
559 [01:58:00] <sweettea> inotifywait -mq -e open -e modify /etc/hosts
560 [01:58:21] <Pegasus_RPG> teraflops: nope. Bare base install here (plus ifenslave)
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562 [01:58:38] <teraflops> Pegasus_RPG: also what does say ls -la /etc/resolv.conf?
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564 [01:59:04] <Pegasus_RPG> sweettea: I just did 'inotifywait /etc/resolv.conf' which reports all events
565 [01:59:24] <Pegasus_RPG> teraflops: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 96 May 31 19:59 /etc/resolv.conf
566 [02:00:07] <Pegasus_RPG> ah HA! ii rdnssd 1.0.1-1+b1 amd64 IPv6 recursive DNS server discovery daemon
567 [02:00:20] <sweettea> ipv6 :/
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569 [02:00:22] <Pegasus_RPG> Must be a standard package
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572 [02:00:36] <teraflops> Pegasus_RPG: well install resolvconf package then
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574 [02:01:01] <sweettea> wtf is that service anyway
575 [02:01:10] <sweettea> recursive dns server discovery??
576 [02:01:35] <Pegasus_RPG> I never (intentionally) installed it
577 [02:01:45] <teraflops> Pegasus_RPG: it's because youre using bonding. install resolvconf package and edit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base to your liking
578 [02:01:51] * Pegasus_RPG checks the apt history
579 [02:02:01] <sweettea> replaced-url
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581 [02:02:07] <mutante> ICMPv6 Neighbor Discovery
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583 [02:02:12] <mutante> dpkg: rfc 5006
584 [02:02:12] <dpkg> mutante: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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586 [02:02:21] <cluelessperson> Question, so I used debootstrap to setup a filresystem? I chrooted into it and created the environment I need. How do I "install" this on another computer?
587 [02:02:24] <Pegasus_RPG> teraflops, sweettea: removing rdnssd does the job
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589 [02:02:39] <sweettea> why would bonding cause that
590 [02:03:07] <Pegasus_RPG> Thanks for working through this with me and your patience!
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593 [02:03:31] <teraflops> ^
594 [02:03:33] <teraflops> heh
595 [02:03:51] <mutante> its funny that dnssd has "Conflicts: network-manager". i would have blamed network-manager for it :p
596 [02:03:56] <mutante> rdnssd
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598 [02:04:30] <Pegasus_RPG> Okay, so it appears it was installed automatically, right after acpi-support-base and before eject
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602 [02:04:43] <teraflops> sweettea: I thought resolv.conf got blank
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604 [02:05:05] <sweettea> ah
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607 [02:05:24] <sweettea> well im off, gl to all
608 [02:05:31] <teraflops> o/
609 [02:05:49] <Pegasus_RPG> teraflops: no, sorry, it was being clobbered with just IPv6 DNS server addresses (from my DHCPv6 RA box)
610 [02:05:55] <Pegasus_RPG> thanks sweettea
611 [02:06:27] <teraflops> oh I missed that info :P
612 [02:06:33] <teraflops> i was late to the party
613 [02:06:51] <Pegasus_RPG> No problem. I appreciate the sanity checks :)
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616 [02:07:16] * Pegasus_RPG wonders now if installing resolvconf would have fixed the problem too.
617 [02:07:29] <Pegasus_RPG> i.e. if rdnssd "plays nice" with resolvconf
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619 [02:08:10] <snfgf> gcc test.c -L/usr/local/lib -lzlog -lpthread; ./a.out -> "error loading shared libraries libzlog.so.1.1"
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621 [02:08:26] <snfgf> ls -l /usr/local/lib shows libzlog.so.1.1
622 [02:08:33] <teraflops> well is useful to get a fixed resolv.conf file even if youre running a dhcp client
623 [02:08:42] <snfgf> what might be wrong?
624 [02:08:57] <teraflops> Pegasus_RPG: ah well I guess so
625 [02:09:19] <Pegasus_RPG> snfgf: looking in the wrong places for it? try ldd a.out
626 [02:09:28] <klow> cluelessperson : you'll likely need a live CD or usb stick and be able to copy that chroot to the root of the disk you are installing it to , you can tarball the chroot (tar cvfpz ) or you can rsync it ..
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629 [02:09:49] <klow> also, youll need to install the grub or other bootloader into the MBR of the target disk
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631 [02:10:45] <snfgf> Pegasus_RPG, libzlog.so.1.1 => not found, but it is in the directory I gave to -L switch...?
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633 [02:12:33] <cluelessperson> klow, hrm
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635 [02:13:32] <klow> whats your end goal? I've used debootstrap and chroot to tweak things as you are doing, but my end goal was always to then use it with debian-live
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638 [02:14:05] <cafuego> snfgf: Is /usr/local/lib listed in /etc/ld.so.conf?
639 [02:14:07] <klow> there are better ways IMO to get the environment you want and have it be repeatable , like preseeding , or config management with puppet, chef etc, or for devops and cloud stuff Docker/Rkt
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649 [02:16:18] <snfgf> cafuego, ld.so.conf includes all of ld.so.conf.d, and in that file I have 3 files, fakeroot-x86.conf, libc.conf, x86.conf
650 [02:16:27] <snfgf> /usr/local/lib is in libc.conf
651 [02:16:40] <snfgf> (in that directory)*
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660 [02:21:15] <snfgf> :(
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670 [02:25:45] <Grievre> snfgf: run ldconfig and failing that exit your session and log back in
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674 [02:26:46] <snfgf> Greivre: it worked o_O
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676 [02:27:01] <snfgf> now i need to read the man page
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744 [03:13:55] <buu> ok
745 [03:14:16] <buu> I need a magic incantation to let one debian box read files with ':' in the name over a samba mount from another debian box
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748 [03:16:21] <jmcnaught> buu: there's no colon-magic package :/ but did you try escaping the colon with a backslash?
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756 [03:18:31] <buu> jmcnaught: Yeah, that's not the problem
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759 [03:18:39] <buu> jmcnaught: samba just has issues with colons
760 [03:18:44] <buu> Because it's win95 technology
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763 [03:19:54] <eipi10> hi. where can I find the .xinit file .. so I can edit which session I log into?
764 [03:20:17] <eipi10> there ins't one in my home folder.
765 [03:20:31] <jmcnaught> buu: i don't use samba but could you explain in more detail? what command are you using, what is the error?
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767 [03:20:57] <buu> jmcnaught: 'ls: reading directory '/tank/movies/Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009)': Not a directory'
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770 [03:21:24] <jmcnaught> eipi10: are you using startx? you can create it
771 [03:21:25] <buu> Samba will return filenames containing colons and such but if you attempt to send one as an arg it complains
772 [03:21:50] <jmcnaught> buu: can you show the command you used?
773 [03:22:00] <eipi10> oh, ok. thanks. I thought I could. yes, i just installed lxde on openbox.
774 [03:22:36] <jmcnaught> eipi10: i use gdm
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776 [03:22:56] <buu> jmcnaught: ls /tank/movies...transformers..
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778 [03:23:31] <eipi10> could a GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: message I get on startup have anything to do with this?
779 [03:23:59] <deetwelve> i have an odd issue where i chown -R a folder to the specific user and its adding a random deleted user. anyone have any ideas?
780 [03:24:02] <jmcnaught> buu: i don't mean abbreviated, i mean the exact command and output. you can use replaced-url
781 [03:24:17] <buu> jmcnaught: I'm genuinely confused what you're asking
782 [03:24:25] <buu> jmcnaught: You know the command I'm typing
783 [03:24:43] <eipi10> I deleted the policykit line in the autostart file and unchecked the policykit box for 'lxsession startup'
784 [03:24:58] <jmcnaught> buu: i don't know if you're using Transformers\: or Transformers:
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786 [03:25:14] <eipi10> sorry, desktop session settings.
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789 [03:26:25] <jmcnaught> eipi10: sorry i'm not sure what you mean by that. what autostart file did you edit, and did you use "dpkg-reconfigure" to change some settings? on which package?
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791 [03:27:25] <eipi10> ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart
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795 [03:27:51] <eipi10> sry. I just noticed I don't have lightdm installed.
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797 [03:28:11] <jmcnaught> eipi10: why did you disable policykit?
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802 [03:29:26] <yoLo_> where is the image site for debian ?
803 [03:29:30] <eipi10> umm, b/c i pasted this error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed in a search engine, followed a link and copy-catted.
804 [03:29:32] <yoLo_> what*
805 [03:29:55] <eipi10> you don't recommend?
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810 [03:31:06] <jmcnaught> eipi10: is this raspbian? policykit is useful, it's what manages permissions to configure networks with NetworkManager for example
811 [03:31:11] <markybob> yoLo_: i'm guessing you mean replaced-url
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813 [03:31:35] <eipi10> you got me, it's #!++
814 [03:32:18] <eipi10> hey, 647mb iso, cool widget theme.
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816 [03:33:45] <jmcnaught> eipi10: you're welcome to see if the same problem happens in Debian. if it does then we can help you.
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818 [03:34:02] <eipi10> aww, it IS Debian.
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821 [03:34:15] <deetwelve> i have this werid issue when i change the permissions of a folder to anything, it changes the owner to a random deleted user. anyone have any ideas?
822 [03:34:36] <yoLo__> markybob: i want to download the 32 bit version for an old netbook
823 [03:34:36] <jmcnaught> eipi10: is #!++ some crunchbang spinoff?
824 [03:34:44] <eipi10> yes.
825 [03:34:47] <yoLo__> does amd64 version suffice ?
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827 [03:35:06] <eipi10> installing, you would think it's pure Debian.
828 [03:35:29] <jmcnaught> except it's not. doesn't it even have its own installer?
829 [03:35:38] <eipi10> no.
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832 [03:35:50] <markybob> yoLo__: if you want to install on a 32 bit system you need 32 bit installer
833 [03:35:51] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell eipi10 about crunchbang
834 [03:35:57] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell eipi10 about based on debian
835 [03:36:07] <eipi10> nor does Hydrogen, but they at least brand it Bunenlabs.
836 [03:36:22] <yoLo__> markybob: yes how do i get that ?
837 [03:36:46] <jmcnaught> eipi10: why did you pick a small derivative instead of using Debian? I'm just curious.
838 [03:36:47] <yoLo__> i see amd64 but don't see the 32 bit installer version
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840 [03:36:51] <markybob> yoLo__: have you been to the homepage? top right of it there's a link
841 [03:37:16] <yoLo__> thanks..
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843 [03:37:33] <yoLo__> so this prompts me if i want the 64 or 32 bit version right ?
844 [03:37:52] <eipi10> umm, Ive tried the all. Arch, lubuntu..... Don't like Canonical politics, don't like the "Arch way"....
845 [03:37:54] <yoLo__> during installation*
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847 [03:38:11] <eipi10> umm, arch and fedora are way too bleeding edge...
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850 [03:38:39] <eipi10> I would use Centos, but no lxde repos.
851 [03:38:44] <markybob> yoLo__: the installer comes with both and if it only detects 32 bit that's what you get. if it sees 64 you can do that
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853 [03:39:05] <eipi10> all their package manager are junk.
854 [03:39:16] <eipi10> synaptic and apt and the best...
855 [03:39:21] <eipi10> are^
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857 [03:39:54] <jmcnaught> eipi10: i look at it this way, Debian has quite a lot of people creating and supporting it. Lots of people working on Debian is one thing that makes it great, and it also has a large support community you can get help from
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859 [03:40:25] <eipi10> yeah, and it's rock solid. even the freakin installer is the cats meow.
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861 [03:41:02] <eipi10> I downloaded a 'standard' debian iso. I wonder what that's all about.
862 [03:41:07] <error403> I have finished migrating to another disk. Do I need to add the grub boot loader at bootup? Or can I add that now to the new disk?
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864 [03:41:23] <jmcnaught> derivatives might have some cool stuff implemented quicker than how Debian does things, but you're limited as to where you can ask questions
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866 [03:41:40] <eipi10> yeah...
867 [03:42:16] <eipi10> well, I'll come back if I install Debian.
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873 [03:48:07] <jmcnaught> error403: are you using grub-pc or grub-efi?
874 [03:48:54] <buu> jmcnaught: 'Transformers:' isn't a legal bash token
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876 [03:50:00] <buu> I've never been absolutely sure why
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878 [03:50:37] <error403> jmcnaught> I don't think I am using either one, since both are showing up as new packages from apt-get install. I used the grub that came with Debian Jessie.
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880 [03:51:40] <jmcnaught> buu: replaced-url
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882 [03:53:14] <jmcnaught> buu: hmm.. that might be outdated actually, but if it is there's probably something that replaces it
883 [03:53:30] <un214> is there some way of adjusting TCP keepalive parameters for a single socket?
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894 [03:57:38] <error403> jmcnaught> I am probably using some flavor of grub-pc, but probably different than the one in the Debian Repo. I am not on a Mac.
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897 [03:59:03] <jmcnaught> error403: what does "dpkg -l | grep grub" say?
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899 [04:01:24] <err403> jmcnaught> I am getting an error message indicating permission is denied, after running the command you suggested: cannot access ‘/var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File’: Permission denied
900 [04:01:49] <err403> jmcnaught> I attempted to run ls -l on the /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File, but my efforts were to no avail.
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902 [04:02:11] <jmcnaught> err403: what happened when you used ls?
903 [04:02:35] <err403> jmcnaught> ls: cannot access /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File: Permission denied
904 [04:02:50] <jmcnaught> err403: what if you run it as root?
905 [04:02:58] <jmcnaught> just the ls command
906 [04:03:14] <err403> duh, now why didn't I think of that. The brain isn't working.
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911 [04:04:47] <err403> jmcnaught> It comes up as grub-common, and grub-pc, both of which are in the repository, so I may have been prompted for an upgrade.
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913 [04:05:28] <jmcnaught> err403: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1951 Apr 27 20:46 /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File
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915 [04:05:44] <jmcnaught> err403: users should be able to read that file and use dpkg-query
916 [04:06:10] <err403> jmcnaught> The files come up as grub-common and grub-pc.
917 [04:06:43] <jmcnaught> err403: i would like to see your ls -l output for that file, something's wrong
918 [04:08:21] <jmcnaught> err403: maybe you should have done a fresh install on the new SSD, booted into it, and then copied data over to it
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920 [04:09:05] <err403> jmcnaught> I have a lot of things on here, so I am hoping the tar would save a little time.
921 [04:09:19] <jmcnaught> err403: anyways if you run "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" one of the questions lets you select which device to install grub to
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925 [04:10:39] <jmcnaught> err403: you can also run "grub-install /dev/WHATEVER" and then "update-grub"
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929 [04:12:35] <err403> jmcnaught> I just upgraded the grub with what is in the Debian Repo, and came up with this replaced-url
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931 [04:14:09] <err403> jmcnaught> bash: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc: command not found
932 [04:14:36] <markybob> again, as root
933 [04:15:24] <err403> markybob> I am already root replaced-url
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935 [04:16:11] <jmcnaught> err403: earlier you said you ran "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File, but my efforts were to no avail." that was the output that i wanted to see
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939 [04:17:04] <err403> jmcnaught> That was before I went to root. Once root there was no problem.
940 [04:17:23] <err403> The results at root were grub-common and grub-pc. After the upgrade two more lines were run.
941 [04:17:50] <jmcnaught> err403: i know, but regular users should be able to read that file and use "dpkg -l", so i want to see the permissions on it
942 [04:19:13] <err403> jmcnaught> I can't find the earlier lines since upgrading.
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944 [04:20:13] <jmcnaught> err403: i don't know what you mean. i'm just asking you to run "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File" and show me the output
945 [04:20:33] <mundus2018> How might I fix this? replaced-url
946 [04:21:21] <jmcnaught> mundus2018: what steps led to this point? do you have any straps?
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949 [04:21:48] <err403> jmcnaught> replaced-url
950 [04:21:52] <mundus2018> oops its upside down
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952 [04:22:04] <mundus2018> I added a network to WPA_supplicant
953 [04:22:12] <err403> jmcnaught> Ignore that. I pasted the wrong file. Give me 30 seconds.
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955 [04:23:12] <mundus2018> and it wont connect
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957 [04:24:36] <mundus2018> idk whats wrong
958 [04:24:45] <err403> jmcnaught> The following paste shows ls -l with and without root. You have to be root in order for it to run on the results of the earlier command you posted replaced-url
959 [04:25:47] <mundus2018> I added network={ssid="Mundus" key_mgmt=NONE}
960 [04:25:54] <mundus2018> (formatted oviously)
961 [04:26:19] <mundus2018> fixed pic -- replaced-url
962 [04:26:57] <jmcnaught> err403: you've probably removed -x in one of the parent directories, the ownership and permissions on that file look fine
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964 [04:27:46] <jmcnaught> err403: anyways regular users should be able to run "dpkg -l" and also read that file
965 [04:28:14] <jmcnaught> err403: it's also puzzling that dpkg-reconfigure was not found. what if you run /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure?
966 [04:28:43] <err403> jmcnaught> I am not able to run the dpkg -reconfigure grub-pc, and get an error command not found. I checked the man page and don't find a reconfigure option. I do find a configure option, and a deconfigure option, but that is it.
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968 [04:29:03] <jmcnaught> err403: dpkg-reconfigure with no space
969 [04:29:32] <jmcnaught> mundus2018: you added that network=... to what file? what's in your /etc/network/interfaces?
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972 [04:30:02] <mundus2018> Its added to /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
973 [04:31:27] <jmcnaught> mundus2018: so there is no WPA key?
974 [04:31:36] <mundus2018> no
975 [04:31:40] <mundus2018> its an oepn network
976 [04:31:42] <mundus2018> open
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979 [04:32:39] <err403> jmcnaught> I stand to be corrected. dpkg-reconfigure has its own manpage, but I get an error indicating the command is not found.
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982 [04:33:28] <err403> jmcnaught> Root fixed, and I am now at the menu screen.
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984 [04:33:47] <jmcnaught> mundus2018: you should consider using WPA2 for all wifi. But if you're not using WPA why are you using wpa_supplicant? See the example here: replaced-url
985 [04:34:06] <jmcnaught> err403: it's not clear to me what you mean
986 [04:34:31] <err403> jmcnaught> I had to be root in order to run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
987 [04:34:48] <markybob> that's what i said
988 [04:34:49] <mundus2018> I have an open network becuase my sisters iphone is broken and can only connect to open networks
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994 [04:36:52] <err403> Hmm. I am thinking I should probably make a copy of the grub configuration file. I didn't really want to preserve windows, but it looks like it is included on the new drive.
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997 [04:37:52] <err403> I am going for a jog before it gets too late. will be back in an hour, and reboot then. Thanks for your help.
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1002 [04:39:49] <mundus2018> auto wlan0
1003 [04:39:50] <mundus2018> allow-hotplug wlan0
1004 [04:39:54] <mundus2018> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
1005 [04:39:57] <mundus2018> wireless-essid Mundus
1006 [04:40:00] <mundus2018> that work?
1007 [04:40:16] <dvs> mundus2018, you can't have both auto and allow-hotplug
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1009 [04:40:59] <eipi10> you're right. I decided to do a minimal net install.
1010 [04:41:03] <jmcnaught> mundus2018: you might also need "wireless-mode managed" but that might be the default mode. I just use NetworkManager :)
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1013 [04:42:20] <mundus2018> yay that worked
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1025 [04:50:35] <gustavi> hello, I juste install replaced-url
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1033 [04:55:22] <jmcnaught> gustavi: did you try "fc-cache -fv" ?
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1035 [04:55:39] <gustavi> yes
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1039 [04:57:19] <gustavi> and not entry with the police during the `fc-cache`
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1053 [05:06:19] <jmcnaught> gustavi: i don't have that package installed, but did it make symlinks into /usr/share/fonts? maybe there's a README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/texlive-fonts-extra?
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1055 [05:06:43] <cluelessperson> Question, what's the middle click clipboard called?
1056 [05:06:53] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: selection buffer
1057 [05:06:58] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, THANK YOU
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1066 [05:09:39] <deetwelve> hi, i have an issue with debian. when i chown -R a folder its adding a different user that was previously deleted. chown -R guest2:guest2 /home/guest2/ will chown it to like test2. any ideas?
1067 [05:10:24] <klow> users and groups have numerical values in /etc/passwd and /etc/group
1068 [05:10:32] <klow> its probably got mixed up ?
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1070 [05:11:00] <deetwelve> its only doing it for 3 users. everyone else will chown correctly.
1071 [05:11:23] <deetwelve> even after deleting the user and readding it, isnt fixing it.
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1076 [05:13:59] <deetwelve> looks like its setting the group correctly but the owner is being set to something else.
1077 [05:15:44] <deetwelve> ok werid
1078 [05:16:07] <deetwelve> my fault, winscp was chaching the name. i shut it down, reopened and i see the correct name.
1079 [05:16:16] <deetwelve> caching*
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1102 [05:36:37] <c-c> weird: a debian jessie iso just installed a system without sudo/aptitude/ifconfig/etcetera. Used the graphical installer. It reported no problems, but did not offer a DE choice -dialogue.
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1106 [05:37:22] <c-c> I used the same usb on the same machine earlier, but trialed the expert install: got a fully working LXDE system
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1109 [05:39:38] <sideup66> hello room, can anyone help me with fail2ban and ssh
1110 [05:39:49] <sideup66> it seems like it comes with a default, but i cant get it to actually ban
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1116 [05:40:51] <jelly> c-c: was there a lack of network connectivity during install?
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1122 [05:45:30] <c-c> jelly: as far as I can tell, no, but I was wondering if some problem with apt-get update might cause that
1123 [05:46:39] <theraspberry> for my information. When using testing you are supposed to add the testing repo, not replace it right?
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1125 [05:46:49] <theraspberry> cause I might have replaced it..
1126 [05:47:14] <c-c> are you talking about your sources.list?
1127 [05:47:22] <theraspberry> yeah
1128 [05:48:06] <theraspberry> did I stuff up?
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1130 [05:48:31] <c-c> lets see, let me focus my psychic powers, and telepathically read your hd from 5000 km away
1131 [05:49:40] <c-c> or, perhaps you will have to pastie your sources.list
1132 [05:49:44] <c-c> theraspberry: ^
1133 [05:50:03] <theraspberry> sorry, I did not realise I wasn't clear enough. one moment.
1134 [05:51:02] <sideup66> found the prblem
1135 [05:51:06] <sideup66> problem nevermind
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1141 [05:52:50] <theraspberry_> replaced-url
1142 [05:53:35] <theraspberry> the commented lines were added to try and solve it, but now I'm stumped.
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1144 [05:54:36] <c-c> theraspberry: I'd use the debian http mirror for your country
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1147 [05:55:07] <c-c> theraspberry: also mixing testing and stable (jessie and stretch) is unpossible
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1149 [05:55:24] <c-c> but I guess you knew you can install packages from testing
1150 [05:55:42] <theraspberry> is there a problem with using the one from my local university?
1151 [05:56:04] <c-c> "The One"? The one cow? The one foo? bar?
1152 [05:56:17] <theraspberry> the repo.
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1154 [05:57:10] <Sark> Have a clean install on a laptop - fighting with a couple bugs. For one, ctrl-alt-Fx does not bring me to a virtual console.
1155 [05:57:13] <Sark> I just get a black screen.
1156 [05:57:16] <c-c> theraspberry: I don't know, what does $ apt-get update say?
1157 [05:57:30] <Sark> Also, fighting with trying to set emulate3buttons on the trackpad.
1158 [05:57:34] <c-c> Sark: whatabout F2
1159 [05:57:39] <Sark> black screen
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1161 [05:57:52] <c-c> hit enter
1162 [05:58:04] <Sark> Yeah, still black
1163 [05:58:15] <Sark> and ctrl-alt-F7 won't bring me back to X
1164 [05:58:38] <Sark> That stays black. But ctrl-alt-F1 *will* bring me back to X.
1165 [05:58:51] <Sark> So, two bugs. One, no virtual consoles. Two, X is on the wrong console.
1166 [05:58:53] <Sark> Related?
1167 [05:59:01] <c-c> hm, I think the F2 tty may be gone
1168 [05:59:16] <Sark> Yeah - but I have *no* ttys
1169 [05:59:28] <Sark> also, if I exit X, I don't get back to anything. Screen just stays black.
1170 [05:59:32] <Sark> I have to reboot.
1171 [06:00:11] <theraspberry> c-c: That runs fine. What I wanted to do in the first place was just to run testing, for some packages that are newer. At first I replaced jessie with stretch but then something else had broke and I guess I broke it harder by adding jessie back in.
1172 [06:00:45] <awwal> Sark, jessie?
1173 [06:00:52] <c-c> well why not finish what you started theraspberry
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1176 [06:02:41] <c-c> theraspberry: you should pick one now
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1179 [06:03:10] <theraspberry> I picked testing, I just removed my repo line.
1180 [06:03:19] <c-c> theraspberry: then you may have to update/upgrade and possibly even remove/purge/reinstall packages
1181 [06:03:39] <c-c> theraspberry: you have your own repo line?
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1184 [06:04:46] <theraspberry_> c-c, replaced-url
1185 [06:04:48] <c-c> replaced-url
1186 [06:05:17] <c-c> theraspberry_: weird, still looks like mixing 2 releases to me
1187 [06:05:21] <c-c> what are you doing?
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1189 [06:05:29] <c-c> a fruit salad?
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1191 [06:06:10] <Sark> awwal - yes
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1193 [06:09:21] <somiaj> theraspberry_: you will want to fully dist-upgrade to stretch now that you have changed your sources.list to be running stretch
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1195 [06:09:36] <c-c> not quite
1196 [06:09:46] <somiaj> theraspberry_: also you don't need the jessie/updates security sources either in testing
1197 [06:10:05] <c-c> theraspberry_: you will want to follow the instructions above (update&upgrade, then dist-upgrade)
1198 [06:10:16] <theraspberry> somiaj: Oh well thanks for telling me, never seen that in docs.
1199 [06:10:53] <somiaj> theraspberry: you probabaly also didn't see in the docs it was okay to install stretch packages in sid.
1200 [06:11:29] <c-c> reading the docs often helps
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1202 [06:11:36] <somiaj> theraspberry: anyways, stretch can run okay (despite you may find bugs), you just need to be fully upgraded to stretch.
1203 [06:11:44] <c-c> (in addition to seeing the docs)
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1205 [06:14:59] <c-c> to me these release notes for stretch seem to be great work! replaced-url
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1210 [06:16:54] <theraspberry> Okay, let me refresh your memory. I was running my sources.list exactly how It is in the last paste. I did a apt-get upgrade and everything was fine for a while, and then today when I went to install ffmpeg my dependencies were broken. I made a mistake in thinking that adding jessie back to my sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade was the right thing to do which now I have learnt wasn't. I just want to use testing, where should I go fro
1211 [06:16:55] <theraspberry> m here.
1212 [06:17:44] <c-c> did you do update as well?
1213 [06:17:51] <theraspberry> refresh wasn't exactly the best word but. yeah.
1214 [06:17:58] <theraspberry> yeah
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1216 [06:18:28] <theraspberry> I did run update today with the "Frankenstein" sources.list
1217 [06:18:34] <c-c> theraspberry: did you do dist-upgrade also?
1218 [06:18:39] <theraspberry> yes I did.
1219 [06:18:49] <c-c> why didn't you write so?
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1221 [06:19:37] <theraspberry> My apology, I was to eager and it was my mistake for not saying so.
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1223 [06:19:40] <c-c> whew, milking is such difficlt business
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1226 [06:19:51] <c-c> I'm done!
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1230 [06:21:10] <somiaj> theraspberry: remove the jessie security sources, have pure stretch sources and apt-get dist-upgrade to be running stretch fully. You may have to fix any dependency issues apt is unable to
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1232 [06:22:48] <theraspberry> somiaj: is there supposed to be stretch security sources? or should I just comment out the security source altogether.
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1235 [06:24:13] <Sark> Another problem - how can I enable Emulate3Buttons?
1236 [06:24:19] <Sark> It used to just be an option in xorg.conf
1237 [06:24:23] <Sark> then it was in xorg.conf.d
1238 [06:24:35] <Sark> now there isn't even an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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1241 [06:25:48] <somiaj> theraspberry: stretch does not have security updates. SEcurity fixes are applied by uploading the new package into sid and waiting for it to get into testing (though regurally the security team elevates the package and it gets into testing as soon as it is in sid.
1242 [06:26:16] <theraspberry> somiaj: ah right, thank you for clarifying.
1243 [06:26:33] <somiaj> Sark: either works
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1245 [06:27:02] <somiaj> Sark: just by default there is no need fora config. You can eitehr choose to use a single /etc/X11/xorg.conf file or split everything up into config snippits in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
1246 [06:27:08] <somiaj> Sark: just create the file or directory
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1253 [06:28:45] <Sark> somiaj - OK, so, I just create an xorg.conf and put in just the options I want to add to the exiting automatic configuration?
1254 [06:29:29] <Sark> how do I refer to the mouse though? It's using evdev, it's no longer a /dev/input/ sort of thing
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1258 [06:29:54] <sideup66> hey room, where is the default httpd.conf stored?
1259 [06:29:57] <sideup66> for apache
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1261 [06:30:39] <somiaj> Sark: correct. So you just need to only create a section for the mouse input. EVerythign else you can leave alone
1262 [06:30:55] <Sark> cool. Thantks
1263 [06:30:56] <Sark> thanks
1264 [06:31:01] <somiaj> Sark: you can check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what it detcted if you need to debug it.
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1266 [06:31:45] <jelly> sideup66: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf but read: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz
1267 [06:32:01] <sideup66> i see, thank you
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1271 [06:33:59] <Sark> somiaj - so, the other problem is once X starts, I have no way to get out of it. If I kill or end X, it goes to a blank screen, I don't get my console back. And I can't ctrl-alt-Fx to the other consoles any more.
1272 [06:34:07] <Sark> If I try when X is running, the other consoles are all blank.
1273 [06:34:23] <Sark> but if I do it before I start X, it's fine, I have consoles on F1-F6
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1277 [06:36:37] <somiaj> Sark: what desktop/wm do you use?
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1279 [06:37:13] <Sark> I'm using i3, but the same bug occurred when I was just using twm
1280 [06:37:28] <somiaj> Sark: and how do you run i3? From $HOME/.xsession?
1281 [06:37:44] <somiaj> Sark: use startx or a display manager? What happens when you kill/exit out of the wm?
1282 [06:38:50] <Sark> I just used the Debian configuration to set i3 as the window manager, and I use startx
1283 [06:39:28] <Sark> If I exit i3 using meta-shift-e, I get a black screen once I click yes
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1285 [06:40:35] <Sark> If I kill the window manager by typing kill <pid>, I also get a black screen
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1287 [06:41:20] <somiaj> Sark: ctrl-alt-backspace is disabled by default now. It sounds like it could be some graphics driver issue, releasing it back to the console. What graphics card/driver do you have? Do you see anything in Xorg.0.log that could be relevent
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1289 [06:41:29] <Sark> ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing
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1291 [06:41:58] <somiaj> Sark: as I said, it is disabled per default.
1292 [06:42:18] <Sark> Oh *dis*abled.
1293 [06:42:22] <Sark> Huh - how do I fix that?
1294 [06:42:39] <somiaj> Sark: its an xorg.conf option I belive
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1296 [06:43:23] <Sark> Looks like it's using the Silicon Motion Lynx driver - SMI
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1299 [06:43:55] <sideup66> i got it up jelly, decided to fix it the lazy way and just make a redirect landing page
1300 [06:43:57] <sideup66> :p
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1308 [06:46:53] <sideup66> ok folks
1309 [06:47:16] <somiaj> Sark: don't recognizne that card. I would check the xorg log and dmesg and see if you can find what is causing the issue.
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1313 [06:49:06] <Sark> nothing stands out
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1333 [06:55:44] <theraspberry_> somiaj, so now I am getting "E: Package 'libgnutls-deb0-28' has no installation candidate" after changing my sources.list to replaced-url
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1338 [06:59:59] <somiaj> theraspberry_: that package has been removed from stretch, you'll probabably ahve to remove it from your system and any package that requires that as a lib
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1340 [07:00:22] <theraspberry_> ah right..
1341 [07:00:29] <NeilHanlon> heyo everyone
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1343 [07:00:55] <somiaj> looks like it is a package name upgrade or something, not quite sure
1344 [07:02:05] <NeilHanlon> I'm doing a very lazy thing, and am trying to take the SSD from my desktop at work, and make my new laptop boot off of it. I foresaw no problems with this--as I'm pretty sure the desktop was installed in UEFI mode... but the new laptop doesn't even appear to *attempt* to boot the drive
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1347 [07:02:27] <NeilHanlon> I've turned off secure boot, and put it in uefi-only w/ CSM disabled.
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1351 [07:03:36] <somiaj> NeilHanlon: you may have to manually scan the efi partition for the .efi file
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1353 [07:06:15] <NeilHanlon> somiaj: how might I go about doing that?
1354 [07:07:19] <somiaj> NeilHanlon: might depend on the firmware, but in my settings I could actually navagiate though the drives and efi partition to look for .efi files
1355 [07:07:45] <NeilHanlon> ah... I don't think the lenovo firmware allows for that.
1356 [07:07:57] <NeilHanlon> it's also not true uefi firmware, I don't think
1357 [07:08:30] <somiaj> you may have to use a live medium that cna boot efi or the debian installer rescue shell, chroot into y our install and install setup grub
1358 [07:08:52] <NeilHanlon> yeah. I was thinking of doing a grub-install from the gparted live disk
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1360 [07:09:50] <NeilHanlon> Do you know if I have to take any considerations due to my data being in an encrypted lvm? ie, does grub need to know about the LUKS crypt
1361 [07:09:50] <somiaj> NeilHanlon: I would double check it is grub-efi that is installed vs grub-pc if you are wanting efi boot
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1365 [07:12:21] <theraspberry_> somiaj, so would the easiest way be to re-install jessie from scratch and then configure testing straight from the get go unlike last time where I did it when I wanted a package? I have a separate /home in my lvm encryption.
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1371 [07:15:13] <somiaj> theraspberry_: that is the suggested way to install testing, is upgrade a minimial jessie install then install the rest of the software youw ant.
1372 [07:15:25] <somiaj> theraspberry_: as to if it is easier than trying to fix your current install, the choice is yours.
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1374 [07:16:16] <theraspberry_> somiaj, would it be easy to fix my current install or?
1375 [07:16:24] <theraspberry_> that's pretty much my question.
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1381 [07:17:09] <somiaj> theraspberry_: I would try and fix the isntall myself, but I don't know what sort of state it really is in and how much work it would take.
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1388 [07:21:01] <markybob> reinstall would take 30 minutes. probably faster than trying to figure out how broken it is. but i haven't followed the convo.
1389 [07:21:29] <somiaj> markybob: stuck somewhere between jessie->stretch
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1391 [07:22:04] <theraspberry_> ^
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1393 [07:22:49] <theraspberry_> my current install is based on lvm encryption, Not exactly sure how I would go overwriting my root partition in the encrypted lvm and keeping my home the same on the install.
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1396 [07:23:10] <markybob> yeah reinstall. then go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask what the state of stretch is. if it's bad, don't upgrade, but they can help you better with that
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1399 [07:25:24] <theraspberry_> right. Though now I'm kinda wondering if I should be using debian at all if its not official. This machine is supposed to me my "trusted" install.
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1401 [07:25:51] <somiaj> theraspberry_: then use stable, that is what debian stable is for. A solid stable intall.
1402 [07:26:32] <markybob> theraspberry_: testing doesn't have security support
1403 [07:26:35] <Hydroxide> stretch/testing is official but not an official current release. it's the early stages of an official future release. somiaj is correct if you want something that's expected to perform reliably.
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1412 [07:28:52] <theraspberry_> yeah. I guess I should have just built openjdk from source instead of upgrading.. Live and learn.
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1415 [07:29:47] <somiaj> theraspberry_: what version of java did you need?
1416 [07:29:59] <theraspberry_> openjdk8
1417 [07:30:07] <theraspberry_> 7 was default install im sure.
1418 [07:30:12] <somiaj> ,v openjdk-8-jdk
1419 [07:30:13] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u91-b14-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u91-b14-2; sid: 8u91-b14-2
1420 [07:30:21] <somiaj> theraspberry_: you can install it from jessie-backports in jessie.
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1422 [07:31:13] <theraspberry_> gah, now I'm confused.
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1425 [07:32:44] <somiaj> theraspberry_: debian provides select packages from stretch compiled to run with jessie libs for you to use if you want, as opposed to building your own package.
1426 [07:33:21] <jmcnaught> there's also java-package (but i would use openjdk-8-jdk from backports over that)
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1434 [07:37:43] <fireba11> question: is there a way to slow down rsync building up it's filelist? i got a large sync from an old box to the new replacement and compiling the filelist over a million files or so slows down the old box considerably, so i want to intentionally run it slower so my users don't notice ... the transfer itself i can limit ...
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1437 [07:38:22] <markybob> nice
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1478 [08:07:04] <seprob_> Hi. Do you know how to kill zombie process related with Docker?
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1482 [08:09:06] <jmcnaught> seprob_: you don't just stop the container? better to ask #docker, Docker's got this strange "run programs as PID1" model that results in zombie processes
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1520 [08:31:45] <seprob_> jmcnaught, to be honest maybe someone stoped some containers. The server is using by many people. Yes I read about PID 1 problem but I still don't know how to resolve this problem. I asked on #docker-compose because I cannot enter the #docker channel. :)
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1524 [08:33:35] <jmcnaught> seprob_: you probably just need to register with nickserv to enter #docker
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1564 [08:52:09] <fishcooker> i have two internet connection fastest via wlan but i usually use eth0 for daily ops.. in case i want to download using wlan but parallelly i can do daily ops with eth0 is it possible?
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1644 [09:34:56] <petn-randall> fishcooker: Do you want to do load balancing?
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1648 [09:35:23] <petn-randall> !best
1649 [09:35:23] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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1658 [09:41:08] <Iridos> petn-randall, for support!
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1662 [09:42:27] <Iridos> dpkg, wifi
1663 [09:42:27] <dpkg> Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. replaced-url
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1667 [09:43:04] <Iridos> qreplaced-url
1668 [09:45:18] <Iridos> the grim people in the wiki are probably only so grim because the stuff needs a firmware blob... which is a bit of a hassle during installation, but probably not a real problem overall
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1671 [09:47:49] <fishcooker> petn-randall: i don't what's the term ... i want to route all connection for daily ops using eth0 but for download i want to use wlan0 parallelly
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1675 [09:49:36] <Iridos> that doesn't even make sense!
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1738 [10:13:04] <thms> Since jessie I cannot get program to start at boot (namely rsync)
1739 [10:13:11] <thms> /etc/default/rsync is set to true
1740 [10:13:17] <thms> rc-update.d defaults
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1742 [10:13:22] <thms> rc2.d has an entry
1743 [10:13:28] <AlexPortable> How to start x with my screen resolution?
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1745 [10:13:37] <thms> made do the horrible thing: @reboot /etc/init.d/rsync start..
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1751 [10:16:16] <themill> thms: which init system are you using?
1752 [10:16:34] <thms> I don't know.. I use debian stable..
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1754 [10:16:40] <thms> Installed 2 months ago
1755 [10:16:54] <FinalX> systemd then, most likely, as that's the default
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1757 [10:17:02] <thms> yeah and as I have service
1758 [10:17:07] <themill> "systemctl enable rsync"
1759 [10:17:13] <thms> let's try
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1761 [10:17:39] <themill> do you have an /etc/rsyncd.conf?
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1765 [10:18:16] <thms> works !
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1767 [10:18:19] <thms> themill, yes
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1769 [10:18:25] <thms> everything's fine now :)
1770 [10:18:50] <themill> (#764616 for reference)
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1800 [10:33:18] <ueber> hi there
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1809 [10:34:54] <ueber> I increased the disk space on my VM, I was not able to expand the partition to the full disk size
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1813 [10:35:25] <ueber> resize2fs had no effect
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1816 [10:35:49] <ueber> the partition size is still 20G, but should be 50G
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1819 [10:35:54] <FinalX> uh
1820 [10:35:56] <AlexPortable> What is the most simple window manager?
1821 [10:36:01] <FinalX> resize2fs doesn't touch partitions
1822 [10:36:04] <AlexPortable> it should display a window, and another window
1823 [10:36:13] <FinalX> resize2fs resizes the filesystem after _you_ enlarged the partition
1824 [10:36:15] <AlexPortable> so if i close the second window the first window should come back again
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1826 [10:36:18] <ueber> I altered the partion with fdisk
1827 [10:36:51] <FinalX> well, you just stated your partition size is still 20G, and you expect it to be 50G; partitions are not the same as filesystems
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1829 [10:37:07] <ueber> this is what I see with "fdisk -l"
1830 [10:37:30] <ueber> Disk /dev/vdb: 50 GiB, 53687091200 bytes, 104857600 sectors
1831 [10:37:41] <ueber> Device Start End Sectors Size Type /dev/vdb1 2048 41943006 41940959 20G Linux filesystem
1832 [10:37:51] <FinalX> so the partition is still 20G
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1834 [10:37:58] <ueber> yes
1835 [10:38:12] <ueber> I tried removing it, and recreating it
1836 [10:38:21] <FinalX> that should work, but what should it be?
1837 [10:38:32] <FinalX> (just remember to use the same start sector!)
1838 [10:38:46] <ueber> after removing and recreating it, it's still 20G
1839 [10:39:29] <ueber> yes I used the same start sector
1840 [10:39:38] <FinalX> do you have other partitions taking up space? or, if it's your root filesystem that is probably still in use, the disk probably hasn't been rescanned yet, in that case, partprobe might help, and if it doesn't, you might need to reboot
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1842 [10:40:36] <ueber> on this device I've got only one partition
1843 [10:41:02] <ueber> only /dev/vdb1
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1845 [10:41:27] <ueber> when creating a new partion it asks:
1846 [10:41:28] <FinalX> ok, did you unmount it before recreating it? that usually messes up a proper rescan of the drive
1847 [10:41:29] <ueber> Last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G,T,P} (2048-41943006, default 41943006):
1848 [10:41:39] <ueber> yes I umount it
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1851 [10:41:55] <FinalX> what if you enter 104857600 instead?
1852 [10:42:03] <FinalX> which is the amount of sectors of the drive
1853 [10:42:11] <ueber> I tried entering 50G
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1856 [10:42:47] <FinalX> it's better to do it with the precise sector, because 50G might not work since you start at sector 2048
1857 [10:42:49] <ueber> Value out of range, for 104857600
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1860 [10:43:22] <FinalX> weird, kinda sounds like a disk issue; did you try have a look with smartctl -a /dev/vdb? (package smartmontools)
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1862 [10:43:53] <FinalX> it also seems like a virtual disk, perhaps your virtualisation software swapped disks around .. we had someone in #zfsonlinux where that happened with virtualbox
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1865 [10:44:52] <ueber> it's a VPS
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1867 [10:47:06] <ueber> FinalX: any suggestions?
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1872 [10:50:41] <ghormoon> hi, any idea why nopasswd sudo like this doesn't work? replaced-url
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1880 [10:53:00] <FinalX> ueber: other than what I gave, I think I'm all out now :/
1881 [10:53:28] <ueber> smartctl ?
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1925 [11:11:25] <AlexPortable> What is the most simple window manager? I don't want alt or hotkeys like alt tab
1926 [11:11:31] <AlexPortable> Just open the window
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1928 [11:12:22] <nkuttler> AlexPortable: look into ratpoison
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1933 [11:14:19] <AlexPortable> isnt ratpoison orientated to be used without a keyboard?
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1944 [11:19:02] <AlexPortable> nkuttler: how can i start iceweasel with it?
1945 [11:19:06] <AlexPortable> Error: junk arguments: iceweasel
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1947 [11:19:49] <AlexPortable> also ratpoison wont fullscreen my window
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1950 [11:20:32] <teraflops> AlexPortable: all tiling WM behaves almost the same, dwm, xmonad, i3. i3 have sane defaults so you have a working tiled env in 5 minutes
1951 [11:20:47] <AlexPortable> tiled env = ?
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1953 [11:20:59] <teraflops> environment
1954 [11:20:59] <AlexPortable> whats the default window manager when i installed xterm and xinit ?
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1957 [11:21:08] <AlexPortable> tiled means fullscreen window?
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1959 [11:21:21] <teraflops> I prefer xmonad or just dwm but i3 is widely used
1960 [11:21:44] <teraflops> AlexPortable: kinda yes
1961 [11:21:54] <AlexPortable> is it possible to configure the default one tiled?
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1965 [11:22:26] <teraflops> AlexPortable: idk which one is the default one
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1967 [11:22:31] <AlexPortable> oh
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1969 [11:22:37] <AlexPortable> openbox and blackbox just give me my screen resolution
1970 [11:22:50] <AlexPortable> the default one and ratpoison and matchbox give me like a 800x600 window
1971 [11:22:53] <AlexPortable> and the rest of the screen black
1972 [11:22:58] <teraflops> AlexPortable: no idea about open/blackbox
1973 [11:24:30] <AlexPortable> how can i find out which is being installed by default?
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1982 [11:26:53] <teraflops> AlexPortable: I don't undesrtand what you mean
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1984 [11:27:06] <Iridos> how was that program/script called that ends another program you run with it
1985 [11:27:27] <teraflops> AlexPortable: you mean when you install xterm and xinit?
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1988 [11:28:09] <teraflops> AlexPortable: afaik none
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1993 [11:28:37] <AlexPortable> yes
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1997 [11:29:00] <AlexPortable> teraflops: well i want something with that functionality, but then fullscreen windows
1998 [11:29:03] <AlexPortable> and not half of my screen
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2002 [11:29:46] <teraflops> AlexPortable: install i3 or dwm or xmonad or awesome …
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2005 [11:29:52] <AlexPortable> they all have hotkeys
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2017 [11:32:57] <teraflops> AlexPortable: you mean something like this? replaced-url
2018 [11:32:59] <Iridos> timeout! ... my... it's in coreutils
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2020 [11:33:25] <AlexPortable> teraflops: no
2021 [11:33:47] <AlexPortable> i mean something like this: apt-get install openbox && startx /usr/bin/iceweasel
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2026 [11:35:35] <teraflops> AlexPortable: create a .xinitrc and put xinit /usr/bin/iceweasel at the bottom?
2027 [11:35:39] <teraflops> then startx
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2030 [11:36:22] <teraflops> or setup a tilling wm properly
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2032 [11:36:33] <AlexPortable> how can i set it up properly?
2033 [11:36:41] <AlexPortable> i dont want the user to do anything else than the browser + The window it opens
2034 [11:36:44] <teraflops> confiure it
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2041 [11:37:55] <teraflops> AlexPortable: tried just xinit /usr/bin/iceweasel from tty?
2042 [11:38:14] <AlexPortable> whats the difference between xinit and startx ?
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2047 [11:39:48] <teraflops> AlexPortable: xinit just starts X startx does more things
2048 [11:39:59] <AlexPortable> what's better?
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2050 [11:40:12] <teraflops> depends on what you want
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2052 [11:40:20] <AlexPortable> what are 'more things' ?
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2054 [11:40:55] <teraflops> i.e xauth
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2056 [11:41:08] <AlexPortable> do i need that?
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2058 [11:41:24] <teraflops> well I'm not you :P
2059 [11:41:47] <AlexPortable> i dont know what it does
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2062 [11:42:04] <AlexPortable> people turn on the pc, and they get a fullscreen browser
2063 [11:42:11] <AlexPortable> they are on a website which opens another program
2064 [11:42:33] <AlexPortable> that program has a quit button, when people press it the program closes (and the browser comes up again)
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2077 [11:54:50] <mazert> can someone remember me the cmd to list instelled files of a packet ? thanks
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2085 [11:56:59] <mazert> dpkg -L foo.deb
2086 [11:56:59] <dpkg> ii foo.deb 2.8-12.2 mazert's private stamp collection
2087 [11:57:11] <mazert> :p
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2104 [12:03:37] <Iridos> mazert, "man dpkg" is your friend...and it's -L
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2156 [12:43:01] <johnnybravo> hello, i dist-upgraded Kali to "4.5.0-kali1-amd64", and my firefox font wasn't displaying. installing font-cantarell helped change the blocks to text, but there are no spaces and punctuation still. Any help appreciated!
2157 [12:43:12] <teraflops> !kali
2158 [12:43:12] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2232 [13:13:11] <yareckon> dammit imagemagick
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2263 [13:33:50] <mirazi_heket> hello, can someone help me with stunnel4 configuration? i got this error:
2264 [13:33:51] <mirazi_heket> replaced-url
2265 [13:34:08] <mirazi_heket> and here is conf on client side (client side is malfunctioning): replaced-url
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2269 [13:35:36] <teraflops> mirazi_heket: it looks like the error is self explanatory
2270 [13:36:05] <mirazi_heket> teraflops: i agree, though stunnel4 is not running when im trying to start
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2272 [13:36:15] <teraflops> /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf → You should check that you have specified the pid= in you configuration file ?
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2274 [13:36:33] <mirazi_heket> that makes me wonder too
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2276 [13:37:37] <teraflops> not the systemd unit I guess, the /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf file. just guessing from the output though, I do not use stunnel
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2278 [13:38:22] <teraflops> mirazi_heket: why do you put the pid file in /etc? also does that file exist?
2279 [13:39:16] <mirazi_heket> teraflops: it does not exist
2280 [13:39:29] <teraflops> create it
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2287 [13:41:45] <mirazi_heket> i created it but there is no difference, maybe i will change that to /var/run
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2291 [13:42:30] <teraflops> mirazi_heket: is there any reference to pid= in /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf ?
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2293 [13:42:59] <mirazi_heket> pid = /var/run/stunnel.pid
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2297 [13:43:37] <teraflops> mirazi_heket: then tell the systemd unit file to use that file
2298 [13:43:50] <AJ_Z0> What's the "right way" to remove all desktop packages from an install (sid)? I'm unaware of any metapackage, package group, etc. and removing a base package like libX11-6 doesn't take out many others as dependencies. RTFM and STFW effort continue with no useful results so far
2299 [13:44:02] <teraflops> and check if it exists when starting the service, if not go create it
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2305 [13:46:17] <x-fak> hi
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2308 [13:46:43] <x-fak> can you tell me where exactly are located the iptables rules in memory?
2309 [13:46:52] <Brigo> AJ_Z0, packages installed automatically (as dependencies) and no needed any more can be removed with apt-get autoremove.
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2313 [13:48:07] <abrotman> x-fak: uh, no, why?
2314 [13:48:10] <AJ_Z0> Brigo: Understood and I've not checked for orphans after removing libX11 in the hope that I can find the "right way" and not have to clean up my mess
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2317 [13:48:33] <teraflops> x-fak: you missed a ","?
2318 [13:48:53] <AJ_Z0> FWIW, "tasksel --task-packages desktop" gives "task-desktop", which is not a valid apt target
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2320 [13:50:01] <teraflops> x-fak: you meant thare's no default ruleset and/or you cannot find the file that define the default rules?
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2333 [13:52:16] <x-fak> teraflops miss a "," ?
2334 [13:52:52] <teraflops> x-fak: I wonder if you wanted to ask: can you tell me where exactly are located the iptables rules, in memory?
2335 [13:53:05] <x-fak> teraflops , well
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2337 [13:53:24] <x-fak> it's stored into memory after the first load right?
2338 [13:53:24] <teraflops> because without the , your question has no sense
2339 [13:53:40] <x-fak> i got 2 questions
2340 [13:53:56] <x-fak> once in memory, where in memory it's located (which adress, which section)?
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2342 [13:54:08] <x-fak> and at the first load, where it's loaded from?
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2346 [13:55:56] <abrotman> x-fak: what are you actually trying to do?
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2354 [13:59:58] <x-fak> baraba it's a theoric question
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2356 [14:00:32] <darxmurf> anybody can help to troubleshoot a samba+kerberos+ldap configuration ?
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2365 [14:05:48] <x-fak> i think teraflops could answer
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2370 [14:08:05] <darxmurf> it's a fooking mess to understand :-/
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2372 [14:09:57] <Ghostbird> darxmurf, what's your issue? Did you have a look at the samba wiki? They have very good troubleshooting instructions.
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2374 [14:10:55] <Ghostbird> My own question: How do I reconfigure clamassassin to use clamdscan instead of clamscan? It hasn't autodetected clamd. This is, according to the README for clamassassin, a known issue on Debian.
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2376 [14:11:12] <Ghostbird> dpkg-reconfigure clamassassin doesn't do anything.
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2381 [14:12:35] <Ghostbird> Hmm... I'm just rewriting /etc/default/clamassassin. There ought to be a more proper way, but this will do. I'll just have to document it properly.
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2388 [14:15:21] <darxmurf> Ghostbird: the smb server is attached to a MS Domain. I configured it (I hope correctly) to use kerberos and ldap. I can kinit without problem and get ldap groups and infos.
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2390 [14:15:52] <darxmurf> Then I added a group called backup-users and I added ldap accounts to this local group
2391 [14:16:10] <darxmurf> then in my share definition I did set "valid users = @backup-users"
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2394 [14:17:07] <darxmurf> when I try to access this share, I can see me in the logs
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2396 [14:17:18] <darxmurf> authentication for user [xxxx] -> [xxxx] -> [xxxx] succeeded
2397 [14:17:34] <darxmurf> then Failed to initialize kerberos context! (Invalid argument)
2398 [14:17:48] <darxmurf> then Failed to start GENSEC server mech gse_krb5: NT_STATUS_NO_MEMORY
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2401 [14:18:26] <Ghostbird> darxmurf: Hmm... Sorry, that's out of my league.
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2403 [14:18:38] <Ghostbird> But did you check the memory usage?
2404 [14:18:38] <darxmurf> damn :D
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2406 [14:18:57] <darxmurf> 8Gb free
2407 [14:19:07] <darxmurf> server freshly rebooted
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2409 [14:19:10] <darxmurf> nothing connected on it
2410 [14:19:37] <thms> apt-get install systemv-init-core; apt-get remove systemd
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2412 [14:19:45] <thms> works like a charm
2413 [14:19:50] <thms> why didn't I do this earlier
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2422 [14:22:23] <jelly> thms: probably because noone told you about /msg dpkg jessie sysvinit
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2436 [14:28:50] <mirazi_heket> fixed, trouble with samba/stunnel. Now i have problem with mounting it via mount cifs
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2458 [14:42:15] <petn-randall> mirazi_heket: What is your setup that you need to use samba with stunnel? stunnel is a rather hacky subject IMHO, and there might be better alternatives.
2459 [14:42:22] <ChrisWi> hi ... why does 'GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN="dom0_mem=4096M,max:4096M" has different results ?
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2461 [14:42:39] <petn-randall> ChrisWi: Different to what?
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2464 [14:43:12] <ChrisWi> petn-randall: on one box I have '1595960' and on an other I have '3392744'
2465 [14:44:16] <petn-randall> ChrisWi: I'm missing a lot of context. You just gave me two numbers.
2466 [14:44:18] <ChrisWi> petn-randall: the setting of dom0_mem=2048M,max:2048M resultet in '1981848' ...
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2473 [14:45:28] <ChrisWi> petn-randall: I am talking about 'total' memory which is 'free' showing ...
2474 [14:45:42] <petn-randall> ChrisWi: I'd check the logs for Xen, I'm guessing that the host hit some limit and thus the guests can't allocate more memory.
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2476 [14:46:15] <ChrisWi> I am not talking about the guests ... this is setting for dom0
2477 [14:46:29] <mirazi_heket> petn-randall: dont know what exactly you are asking, its on debian, and its used only on 1 machine
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2483 [14:48:18] <petn-randall> ChrisWi: dom0 is just a privileged guest. I don't use Xen myself, but I'm guessing that you'll get some hints for the reason in the log upon startup.
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2485 [14:48:43] <Avernos> does debian uses syslog with journal?
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2490 [14:51:44] <petn-randall> Avernos: Can you rephrase your question? By default Debian comes with rsyslog, and it also has journald running from the systemd tool suite.
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2493 [14:52:00] <teraflops> Avernos: it does redirect journalctl to syslog if I remember it correctly
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2496 [14:52:56] <teraflops> Avernos: take a look at /etc/systemd/journald.conf
2497 [14:53:00] <Avernos> teraflops, i would've guessed is the other way around.
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2499 [14:53:17] <teraflops> Avernos: why?
2500 [14:53:38] <Avernos> i've tried to change things, but somehow many programs are not logging. not in /var/logs as the .conf indicate for programs and not showing on journalctl.
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2503 [14:54:31] <Avernos> because journal is newer? so would've expected syslog to redirect to journal instead
2504 [14:55:00] <teraflops> Avernos: but you're using systemd
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2506 [14:55:37] <Avernos> yes, systemd. im curious, is this a known issue? or is it just me. havent seen much on the web..
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2509 [14:55:51] <petn-randall> Avernos: /dev/log is a socket most programs write to. On the other end journald listens, and passes any data on to rsyslog. So it's: user space → journald → rsyslog
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2512 [14:56:47] <teraflops> Avernos: I think systemd debian jessie is a bit eww. It's 215
2513 [14:56:51] <petn-randall> Avernos: Which release are you running? IIRC there was a bug in stable that could occur under certain conditions.
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2515 [14:57:17] <petn-randall> Avernos: The bug was that journald didn't pass any data to rsyslog anymore.
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2519 [14:58:23] <Avernos> thanks! valuable info
2520 [14:59:15] <Avernos> petn-randall, would still showup on journalctl, right? if program is logging i would still be able to see something there. not sure how to track where logs are sent
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2522 [14:59:33] <Avernos> teraflops, jessie stable. :(
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2533 [15:05:49] <petn-randall> Avernos: Can't find the bug report right now, but IIRC it was because some of the sockets along the chain were closed and not re-open properly. Do you see current messages when running 'journalctl'?
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2537 [15:06:52] <Avernos> petn-randall, yes, for some programs. I've noticed that some programs added a restart script for reopening the socket on rsyslog.d/
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2539 [15:07:20] <Avernos> also journal forward to syslog is commented out, but do I need to forward to rsyslog anyhow?
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2542 [15:08:10] <Avernos> user space → journald → rsyslog → journalctl ?
2543 [15:09:56] <Avernos> ah, my bad. somehow logs are now showing up in text on /var/log. more confused now. well, at least they are working/ showing up some place
2544 [15:10:10] <petn-randall> Avernos: No, journalctl reads from the database of journald. rsyslog is just a package that fulfils the system-log-daemon virtual package.
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2547 [15:10:37] <petn-randall> Avernos: IIRC rebooting fixed the issue, but you might not be able to do that if it's a production machine.
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2550 [15:11:02] <AlexPortable> How can I set the default WM?
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2554 [15:11:38] <Avernos> not production, just figuring out things. quite like journalctl, all bin and in one place
2555 [15:11:47] <Alix_> Hello. I have a problem with a monitor I just got. The resolution is stuck at 1280*800. This is the model : replaced-url
2556 [15:11:54] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: Most log managers have a menu where you can select it.
2557 [15:12:01] <Alix_> And this is how i try to change the resolution : replaced-url
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2560 [15:12:36] <Alix_> I have this adapter DVI-L to HDMI between the cable and my computer : replaced-url
2561 [15:12:42] <Alix_> I don't understand where the limitation can be.
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2563 [15:13:00] <AlexPortable> log manager?
2564 [15:13:07] <Avernos> petn-randall, so if i need just to look at logs, ie journalctl. what is rsyslog used for? since journald talks to journalctl is it redundant or for compatibility with other programs?
2565 [15:14:09] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: sorry, I mean display manager like e.g. gdm or lightdm.
2566 [15:14:16] <AlexPortable> dont have any
2567 [15:14:24] <AlexPortable> i have xinit and xterm
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2570 [15:15:12] <petn-randall> Avernos: It's because most people are used to plain old syslog, and it also has a few features journalctl doesn't have yet, like RELP log forwarding.
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2573 [15:15:53] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: Then I don't know it from the top of my head, sorry.
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2618 [15:35:14] <jemadux> how to update flash plugin on debian sid ?
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2620 [15:36:10] <jemadux> replaced-url
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2622 [15:36:20] <zinx> update flash? i thought adobe stopped updating flash
2623 [15:36:28] <markybob> !tell jemadux about debian-next
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2625 [15:37:25] <jemadux> markybob: it is not oftc network .. i am on oftc too but no answer
2626 [15:37:54] <jemadux> zinx: yes stop but make some security updates
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2629 [15:39:03] <markybob> jemadux: i know this isn't oftc. you're still asking in the wrong place. this is for stable support. oftc #debian-next is where that belongs. if they're silent, wait. ask again in 20 minutes or so
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2714 [16:20:00] <acidfu_> hello, what is the simplest way to install on Debian 7 the newest libevent version libevent-2.0.22-stable ? Through the source list, 2.0.19 only is available ? do I need to backport the package or something like that ?
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2730 [16:25:24] <godless_> [Question] Is there a way to automagically run fsck on dirty partitions when inserting USB sticks?
2731 [16:25:36] <ueber> hi there
2732 [16:27:01] <godless_> There is this printer that always leaves the USB marked dirty, making it a real hassle since it's ro when mounted
2733 [16:27:04] <ueber> I'm trying to expand a partition to the full disk space, but it remains the same, also removing and recreating it
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2735 [16:27:53] <godless_> ueber - did you grow the fs afterwards? check your fs documentation on how to do that
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2737 [16:28:30] <ueber> godless_: yes I grow it with resize2fs /dev/vdb1
2738 [16:28:58] <ueber> I erased the partition and recreated it, then I did resize2fs /dev/vdb1
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2741 [16:29:35] <godless_> does fdisk show the correct size?
2742 [16:29:42] <ueber> but it's still 20G not 50G, even if the disk on vps is now 50Gb
2743 [16:30:10] <ueber> Here is the output of "fdisk -l" : Disk /dev/vdb: 50 GiB, 53687091200 bytes, 104857600 sectors
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2752 [16:31:36] <godless_> Ueber, and a different fs has the same issue? Did you try a reboot?
2753 [16:32:07] <ueber> godless_: yes I rebooted
2754 [16:32:55] <godless_> Ueber, ext4 working correctly?
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2756 [16:34:05] <ueber> godless_: should I change it's type to ext4 ?
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2763 [16:36:43] <petn-randall> godless_: I'm guessing you could cook something up with udev + some self-written scripts to achieve this.
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2765 [16:39:08] <ueber> godless_: Device Start End Sectors Size Type /dev/vdb1 2048 41943006 41940959 20G Linux filesystem
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2767 [16:40:02] <godless_> petn-randall, seems like it, was hoping for a quick fix
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2770 [16:40:31] <godless_> ueber, it's saying 20GB again? is that output from Reiserfs?
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2777 [16:43:47] <godless_> ueber, how are you creating the disk? LVM? VM?
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2779 [16:44:16] <godless_> ueber, does dmesg show you the correct disk details?
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2796 [16:55:45] <cnu-> im trying to create a shell script that configures a server. is it possible to "pre-register" the conffile entries so i don't get the conffile-prompt?
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2800 [16:56:13] <petn-randall> cnu-: You won't get a prompt when running in non-interactive mode
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2804 [16:57:00] <cnu-> petn-randall, is it possible to get a prompt for "changes written after my script was made"?
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2806 [16:57:11] <cnu-> say i run this same script on debian9 in a year
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2810 [16:58:00] <cnu-> it would be best if i could only silence the prompt for say a list of files/md5s
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2815 [16:58:32] <petn-randall> cnu-: Do you want *your* changes to be silently overwritten?
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2828 [17:01:28] <petn-randall> cnu-: I'm not sure how your setup is, and what you want to achieve. Can you elaborate it a little?
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2830 [17:01:51] <cnu-> petn-randall, my.cnf from debian8 has md5sum(/etc/mysql/my.cnf)=e252af9e23d14b0215260ee023959f5a. i want my script to silently replace that version with my version. but if say debian9 has another my.cnf, i want it to stop and ask me
2831 [17:01:59] <ueber> godless_: Reiserfs?
2832 [17:02:05] <ueber> godless_: do you mean resize2fs ?
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2835 [17:02:18] <godless_> ueber, oops
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2839 [17:03:36] <ueber> I run resize2fs while partition it's unmounted, but it's size is still 20G not 50G
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2841 [17:05:13] <godless_> ueber, so fdisk is showing the partition to be 50GB right ?
2842 [17:05:27] <ueber> godless_: correct
2843 [17:05:28] <cnu-> petn-randall, would it be possible to add an entry to /var/lib/dpkg/status with only Status: config-files and the md5s ?
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2845 [17:05:34] <cnu-> before i run apt-get
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2847 [17:05:47] <petn-randall> cnu-: You can set the environment var 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive' when you don't want prompts, and then set it to something else when you want to have them.
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2849 [17:06:07] <godless_> ueber, is there data on the partition you want to save?
2850 [17:06:13] <petn-randall> cnu-: Writing around in /var/lib/dpkg/status is dangerous and a recipe for disaster, I would use a different approach.
2851 [17:06:47] <ueber> godless_: yes there's data, but if there is no solution I could delete them
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2853 [17:07:17] <FinalX> ueber: what changed, then? you showed your fdisk output earlier, and it shows the disk to be 50G, but the partition to be 20G
2854 [17:07:19] <petn-randall> cnu-: Looks like you could use some centralized configuration management like puppet, chef, ansible, etc.
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2857 [17:08:14] <ueber> FinalX: it changed nothing
2858 [17:08:27] <ueber> disk is 50G but partition is still 20G
2859 [17:08:32] <jelly> ueber: pastebin your /proc/partitions
2860 [17:08:57] <godless_> ueber, please check the partition itself
2861 [17:09:19] <cnu-> petn-randall, none of these systems can warn me when debian changes their my.cnf ? they just overwrite everything with no warnings?
2862 [17:09:24] <godless_> ueber, the 50GB fdisk line doesn't have a partition nr
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2865 [17:10:09] <ueber> godless_: no because it's the disk line
2866 [17:10:23] <petn-randall> cnu-: I still don't understand your setup and use case. When do you want to have prompts, when shall files be overwritten silently?
2867 [17:10:37] <godless_> ueber, kindly provide me the fdisk partition line
2868 [17:10:51] <ueber> godless_: with which command?
2869 [17:10:53] <jelly> ueber: if you edited the partition table while any of the partitions on that disk was in use, kernel's in-memory notion of the partition layout and size cannot change automatically
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2871 [17:11:16] <ueber> jelly: I rebooted too
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2874 [17:12:46] <jelly> ueber: that clears it up, yes, but I'd still like to confirm the current state. So can you show the contents of /proc/partitions and maybe "sfdisk -d /dev/vdb" or "lsblk"
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2876 [17:12:55] <cnu-> petn-randall, im now configuring everything based on debian8. here i want no prompts. if i run the script again in 2 years on debian9 i want it prompt me when debian has changed it's config file (which i based mine on)
2877 [17:13:05] <godless_> ueber, fdisk -l /dev/vb ?
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2879 [17:13:48] <godless_> ueber, the physical configuration of the disk isn't quite clear
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2881 [17:14:29] <nummyfx> lsb_release -i -s
2882 [17:15:01] <nummyfx> couldn't you just do if (debian_version > 8.4) then prompt();
2883 [17:15:22] <godless_> ueber, jelly knows, i'm a bit rusty myself
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2888 [17:17:50] <NoImNotNineVolt> python's setuptools is at version 22.0.0, and jessie's repo has version 5.5.1?
2889 [17:17:52] <ueber> here is: replaced-url
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2894 [17:19:02] <jelly> ,v python3-setuptools
2895 [17:19:03] <judd> Package: python3-setuptools on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.14-4; wheezy: 0.6.24-1; jessie: 5.5.1-1; jessie-backports: 18.8-1~bpo8+1; sid: 20.10.1-1; stretch: 20.10.1-1
2896 [17:19:10] <jelly> NoImNotNineVolt: correct!
2897 [17:19:33] <NoImNotNineVolt> just making sure i'm not losing my mind.
2898 [17:19:41] <petn-randall> cnu-: Then now use DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive, and in 2 years when you actually dist-upgrade, don't use that. If you change the hashes of the conffiles, upon upgrade dpkg will assume that the conffiles weren't touched and will silently overwrite them, even when running in interactive mode.
2899 [17:19:41] <NoImNotNineVolt> thank you :)
2900 [17:19:46] <jelly> beware the version inflation
2901 [17:19:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> yea, that's what threw me.
2902 [17:20:09] <NoImNotNineVolt> 5.5.1 is from august 2014, not 2004 :P
2903 [17:20:12] <ueber> jelly: replaced-url
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2908 [17:20:33] <NoImNotNineVolt> apparently setuptools releases a new major version every month.
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2910 [17:20:49] <petn-randall> I won't install anything with a version number lower than 45 ;)
2911 [17:21:18] <jelly> ueber: apparently the partition table was not changed at all
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2913 [17:21:27] <ueber> jelly: yes
2914 [17:21:36] <greycat> Oh, don't worry. Once Google owns the entire planet, every software release will be at least version 1000.
2915 [17:21:42] <cnu-> petn-randall, okay thank you
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2917 [17:22:18] <jelly> greycat: at some point we'll just start using log(version) instead
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2919 [17:23:13] <jelly> that's not v45, that's just 1.65
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2921 [17:23:24] <ueber> hey guys, any idea?
2922 [17:23:30] <greycat> !any ideas
2923 [17:23:30] <dpkg> Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen starving platypuses. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours!
2924 [17:23:38] <godless_> ueber.
2925 [17:23:46] <ueber> godless_: yes
2926 [17:23:52] <jelly> ueber: yes, edit the partition table (again)
2927 [17:24:00] <godless_> ueber, you need to make the partition larger, resize2fs only works on partitions
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2929 [17:24:25] <ueber> which commands should I use then?
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2932 [17:25:12] <greycat> gparted, or parted, by preference, depending on whether you like GUIs or not
2933 [17:25:23] <godless_> ueber, basically remove and recreate (if done wrongly you lose the data)
2934 [17:25:54] <godless_> euber, gparted/parted are indeed much safer
2935 [17:26:04] <jhutchins> Which is why you have to do a backup any way, and you might as well backup, repartion, restore.
2936 [17:26:28] <godless_> and it's only 20GB, peanuts :)
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2938 [17:26:51] <ueber> after removing should I write/quit? and create a new one only "after" quitting?
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2940 [17:27:00] <hmca> greetings
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2942 [17:27:13] <greycat> ueber: I don't see why that would matter
2943 [17:27:27] <ueber> ok
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2945 [17:27:41] <hmca> is this the right channel for questioning about debian and X running under kdm ? I whant to get full screen in a guest
2946 [17:27:53] <hmca> KVM I mean
2947 [17:27:56] <ueber> greycat: parted instead of fdisk ?
2948 [17:28:06] <greycat> fdisk is a historical relic at this point
2949 [17:28:38] <ueber> :)
2950 [17:28:39] <greycat> Though I guess since the one in jessie says it understands GPT, it might still survive another decade or two.
2951 [17:28:40] <godless_> ueber, parted is the new kid (dang getting old)
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2953 [17:28:57] <nummyfx> hmca: replaced-url
2954 [17:28:58] <ueber> ok I installed parted
2955 [17:29:13] <jelly> (a stupid question: why use a partition _at all_ inside a VM on a disk destined for a single filesystem)
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2957 [17:29:47] <FinalX> fdisk works fine and also got an overhaul in more recent versions; there's no reason for it not to work
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2959 [17:30:04] <jelly> FinalX: unless you forget to [w]rite
2960 [17:30:13] <FinalX> ofc
2961 [17:30:29] <FinalX> or unless the disk doesnt get synced properly, or re-scanned/read
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2966 [17:31:23] <hmca> mummyfx: I know how to put a windows guest in full screen in KVM, no problem, What I'm not geeting is how to put X running on Debian inside KVM
2967 [17:31:43] <hmca> mummyfx: in full screen
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2969 [17:32:01] <godless_> HM
2970 [17:32:05] <godless_> sorry
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2973 [17:33:03] <jhutchins> !kvm
2974 [17:33:03] <dpkg> Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged as qemu-kvm since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". See replaced-url
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2976 [17:33:46] <ueber> I tried parted
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2987 [17:37:55] <err403> I just migrated from one drive to another, and it appears to be seemless, but question whether or not I am still on my old drive? My new drive is sdb1, and shows up as MBR partition when running fdisk -l.replaced-url
2988 [17:38:04] <drop_> hello, i have a problem.. no sound on my debian testing and when i check o sound setting the output is named "dummy output" insteady of "Speakers" as i remember.. anyone plz!
2989 [17:38:44] <err403> drop_> Are you running pulse audio?
2990 [17:38:52] * greycat experiements and learns that yes, you CAN simply strip out the s in someone's replaced-url
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2994 [17:40:13] <greycat> err403: fdisk -l doesn't show what you booted from. Just what you have.
2995 [17:40:34] <err403> greycat> How do I know what I have booted from?
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2999 [17:41:34] <greycat> That's... an interesting question. I think I can manage to beat the internet into telling me how to determine what disk the NEXT boot will use, but I dunno about reading the past.
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3004 [17:42:24] <drop_> err403, yes i am
3005 [17:42:32] <mtn> won't looking at the fstab tell you what is root, which is what you are booting?
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3009 [17:43:05] <greycat> Oh, if all you want to know is what's mounted as root, you can simply do df /
3010 [17:43:12] <greycat> But that doesn't tell you what grub booted fromm.
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3014 [17:43:48] <jelly> or even which grub bios booted into
3015 [17:43:56] <jelly> s/bios/firmware/, sorry
3016 [17:44:35] <drop_> err403, pulse audio and alsa is installed but i cant get any audio
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3024 [17:45:56] <err403> drop_> Are you using a speaker phone? If so, are you able hear people? Are they able to hear you? The reason I ask is that I occassionally have to reset one of the two settings in Pulse Audio in order for people to hear me on speaker phone. It is an annoyance, but comes with the technology.
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3026 [17:46:15] <jim> hi... is it possible to take already-downloaded packages that were downloaded before apt-cacher-ng was installed, and add them to the cache?
3027 [17:46:39] <drop_> err403, no am using my pc speakers not any external speakers
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3029 [17:47:12] <fennesz> Hello ! I am trying to configure my debian box to act as an ntp server for other local network devices using ntpd . My config file is this replaced-url
3030 [17:47:25] <greycat> fennesz: solve what?
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3032 [17:48:04] <fennesz> greycat, it seems I cant get the time from a different machine on my local network using this conf
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3035 [17:48:22] <jim> fennesz, you didn't say what the problem you're experiencing is
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3038 [17:48:50] <greycat> My ntp.conf says "By default, exchange time with everybody, but don't allow configuration."
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3040 [17:49:00] <err403> drop_> One possible scenario is that one of your two configurations is wrong, or needs to be fiddled with in order to get pulse audio to work. You can access your Pulse Audio settings by opening up your pulse audio configuration screen found in your start menu, and then select configuration. Do you have the configuration settings provided by your sound card manufacturer?
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3042 [17:49:29] <fennesz> jim, I am trying to configure my debian box to act like an Ntp server and I can't with this conf
3043 [17:49:36] <err403> drop_> On my computer more than one option will work in the configuration area.
3044 [17:49:58] <jmcnaught> jim: yes replaced-url
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3047 [17:50:30] <fennesz> greycat, is there any special option so that my debian machine works like an ntp server for other machines in local network ?
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3050 [17:50:59] <greycat> fennesz: My file says it should work by default, with no changes. What did you actually try from the other machines on the LAN? What response did you get?
3051 [17:51:18] <ueber> I solved using cgdisk instead of fdisk
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3054 [17:51:53] <drop_> err403, i dont have pulse audio configuration in my menu
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3059 [17:52:17] <acidchild> hello, can anyone link me in the direction of a document that outlines debians security patching practices. i.e. the way the openSSL fixes have been applied against the current 'stable' ssl version included in jessie?
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3062 [17:52:52] <greycat> acidchild: you can start with replaced-url
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3064 [17:53:00] <drop_> err403, i only have sound setting in menu which is having only select dummy option as output
3065 [17:53:01] <fennesz> greycat, with ntpdc -c monlist I can see there are clients connected . However when I change the time from Date and Time settings , the time does not get updated on the client side
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3068 [17:53:25] <fennesz> btw I am using Jessie 64
3069 [17:53:27] <greycat> fennesz: holy fucking christ, you did WHAT?!?!
3070 [17:53:32] <greycat> You ... dear gods. What.
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3072 [17:53:42] <fennesz> ?
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3074 [17:53:48] <greycat> fennesz: Whatever you think is supposed to happen, that is not a valid test of anything sane.
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3076 [17:54:02] <fennesz> ok, so how could I test this ?
3077 [17:54:02] <err403> drop_> Where are you seeing this select dummy option as output? Is this at the command line?
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3079 [17:54:15] <fennesz> greycat, pls forgive my ignorance
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3081 [17:54:17] <greycat> The clients, if they are robustly written, should recognize that your server has lost its grip on space/time and should ignore it.
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3083 [17:54:26] <SpeedyG> greycat: please watch your language..
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3087 [17:55:01] <greycat> SpeedyG: Well, you can take over any time you like.
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3089 [17:55:05] <err403> mtn> This is my fstab. Am I correct that sdd1 is the drive being booted from, since it has the /? I don't think I am running the new drive.
3090 [17:55:10] <fennesz> greycat, would this also happen with minor changes ? Also I have tested with a client where time was 1 min off . Still no sync
3091 [17:55:11] <drop_> no it is on sound setting from the main menu
3092 [17:55:19] <acidchild> thanks greycat, i can patch together a reason for the FAQ
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3096 [17:55:48] <mtn> err403: yes, the current fstab will show you which drive is currently booted
3097 [17:55:48] <err403> drop_> Could you upload a screenshot to imgur, or something similar so we can see what you are referring to?
3098 [17:56:07] <err403> mtn> Is the boot drive the one with the / ???
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3100 [17:56:19] <greycat> fennesz: Stop fucking with the server. Let the server have the correct time, and let it stay unmolested. Then change the time to something wrong one one of the CLIENTS (while ntp is NOT running on it), and then try ntpdate against the server.
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3103 [17:56:25] <mtn> err403: sure, that is your root partition, which is the running partition
3104 [17:57:00] <err403> mtn> So am I booting from sdd1?
3105 [17:57:11] <fennesz> greycat, Ok let me test this
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3107 [17:57:27] <greycat> mtn: how does fstab show you which device grub booted from?
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3109 [17:57:58] <mtn> err403: you are running on sdd1, apparently, if that is what you are asking. if you are asking where grub installed to, like is it on sda or sdb, then, no, it does not tell you that
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3113 [17:59:11] <err403> mtn> Yesterday I ran grub-reconfig, and designated sdb1 as the new drive, but didn't see the new options in the boot menu. I only had one Debian option, so assumed I was now booting to sdb1, but apparently not.
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3115 [17:59:40] <err403> I am going to reboot.
3116 [17:59:45] <FinalX> err403: if you're trying to boot from another drive, grub won't help you; you'll have to tell the bios that
3117 [17:59:58] <drop_> err403, replaced-url
3118 [18:00:03] <FinalX> on most current systems F12 at bios will bring up the boot device screen
3119 [18:00:13] <greycat> s/bios/firmware/g
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3121 [18:00:56] <NoImNotNineVolt> it's f12 now?
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3123 [18:01:08] <greycat> It depends on the computer. Any pretense that there is a common standard is laughable.
3124 [18:01:13] <NoImNotNineVolt> i try some random combination of f2, f3, f10, f12, and del.
3125 [18:01:33] <greycat> ESC is another good key to try if your firmware doesn't just tell you what to press.
3126 [18:01:51] <FinalX> there's a big difference between bringing up the setup screen or the boot menu
3127 [18:02:07] <FinalX> F2/DEL is usually for setup, not boot menu
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3129 [18:02:28] <greycat> Or google your computer's model number and see if you can find instructions.
3130 [18:02:37] <petn-randall> Lenovo Thinkpads show a selection menu when hitting enter while still booting the BIOS
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3132 [18:02:45] <greycat> This may or may not be faster than random keypresses followed by power cycles.
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3136 [18:03:01] <err403> drop_> Is this screenshot from Pulseaudio? My Pulseaudio interface looks very different than yours.
3137 [18:03:04] <FinalX> random keypresses can make it block any further input and just go boot the wrong os :p
3138 [18:03:04] <NoImNotNineVolt> i mean, in a stretched sense, the setup offers a superset of the functionality from the boot menu
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3140 [18:03:25] <drop_> NoImNotNineVolt, replaced-url
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3142 [18:03:32] <NoImNotNineVolt> you can usually change boot device order, from the setup.
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3147 [18:03:58] <FinalX> NoImNotNineVolt: boot menu can be enabled seperately, and allowed seperately, in- or excluding UEFI options as well
3148 [18:03:59] <NoImNotNineVolt> that's a great reference.
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3150 [18:04:07] <petn-randall> err403: pulseaudio is the daemon, there are many frontends to it.
3151 [18:04:13] <drop_> err403, its a sound setting i dont have pulse-audio config in menu
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3154 [18:04:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> FinalX: afaik, aside from access control issues, that's not anything that can't be done from the setup screen.
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3159 [18:05:14] <jim> so apt-cache-ng tries to store the source (download url) of the things it caches, and would use a heuristic for doing such an import
3160 [18:05:16] <NoImNotNineVolt> but indeed, a setup utiliy is not the same as a boot menu.
3161 [18:05:19] <fennesz> greycat, trying ntpdate against the server I get : bind() Permission denied . I am using ntpd from Meinberg on Windows 10 machine so I cant run it as root . I run cmd as Administrator though . Anyway does this error indicate something wrong with my ntp server?
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3163 [18:05:21] <FinalX> sure, but the setup screen you have to make changes, save them, then reboot. boot menu you can just do once and it'll revert to the default next reboot.
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3166 [18:05:36] <err403> drop_>I was asking because earlier you indicated you had pulseaudio installed.
3167 [18:05:36] <greycat> I cannot help you with Windows.
3168 [18:05:48] <fennesz> Ok, I understand
3169 [18:05:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> but the amount of work involved in that is less than the amount of effort we've invested in this discussion :P
3170 [18:06:09] <FinalX> quite the opposite
3171 [18:06:20] <NoImNotNineVolt> surely fewer keystrokes.
3172 [18:06:22] <FinalX> you guys started a discussion about it :)
3173 [18:06:30] <drop_> err403, yes i have pulseaudio installed but as i have said, i dont have it on my menu
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3175 [18:06:46] <FinalX> and someone you can't deal with just leaving things, and keep on going and going until you're proven right.. get over it
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3178 [18:07:30] <NoImNotNineVolt> FinalX: < NoImNotNineVolt> but indeed, a setup utiliy is not the same as a boot
3179 [18:07:33] <NoImNotNineVolt> menu.
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3185 [18:08:34] <err403> drop_> Have you checked under multimedia in the start menu? The graphical interface is supposed to install if pulseaudio is installed.
3186 [18:08:59] <NoImNotNineVolt> FinalX: or were you referring to yourself?
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3188 [18:09:14] <antena-cli> Every time I connect my USB stick it opens Qmmp. I don't want that. How can I modify this behavior to open the file manager instead?
3189 [18:09:16] <NoImNotNineVolt> either way, thanks for confirming my python-setuptools version confusion.
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3191 [18:10:08] <drop_> err403, yes i have checked and for experience i have been using this version of debian and i have never seen such things as multimedia and pulseaudio in menu
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3198 [18:11:53] <lubarch> Is there any offline english dictionary available for linux ?
3199 [18:12:05] <drop_> lubarch, artha
3200 [18:12:21] <err403> drop_> You might want to check your alsa settings at the command line. The following is something I kept in my notes, but I rarely resort to it, so I am not super familiar with it replaced-url
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3205 [18:13:40] <jsheeren> hi, does anyone have any experience with emulex oneconnect skyhawk 10gb/s nics?
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3214 [18:16:23] <fennesz> greycat, by changing my client to one hour off, I can see the offset in a monitoring tool . How long will it take to sync with the server?
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3218 [18:16:53] <jim> jsheeren, what's your experience? or, what has you ask?
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3220 [18:17:27] <greycat> Totally depends on the client. The client may do an ntpdate type thing when it first starts up, in which case "very quickly". Or it may try to gradually adjtime over the course of weeks. Or it may throw up its hands and say "the server is too far off" and stop trying.
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3222 [18:18:02] <drop_> err403, in alsamixer how do you set the card you want to be default?
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3224 [18:18:11] <jhutchins> !pulseaudio
3225 [18:18:11] <dpkg> PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at replaced-url
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3229 [18:18:47] <jhutchins> drop_: I don't think anything actually shows up as pulseaudio. The GUI config tools are usually for the DE system sounds.
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3234 [18:19:36] <drop_> jhutchins, okey
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3236 [18:19:46] <fennesz> greycat, ok ! In case my debian box is the client and it's time is off , is there any configuration to speed things up on ntp.conf ? is it iburst perhaps?
3237 [18:20:05] <jsheeren> jim: i cannot get the card to detect a link; in the dell server bios the card shows there's a link; but ethtool shows no link detected
3238 [18:20:07] <err403> drop_> Do you have more than one card on your computer? I have more than one card, and one burned out when the last speaker blew.
3239 [18:20:40] <greycat> fennesz: stop ntp, run ntpdate by hand, restart ntp.
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3242 [18:21:02] <fennesz> greycat, ok
3243 [18:21:02] <greycat> fennesz: you may also want to try ntptrace against the server, but not all servers support tracing
3244 [18:21:18] <jim> jsheeren does ifconfig -a show an interface (such as eth0) for it?
3245 [18:21:24] <fennesz> greycat ok will try this too , thank you !
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3247 [18:21:35] <err403> err403> Have you tried upgrading pulseaudio with apt-get?
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3254 [18:24:33] <err403> drop_> The man page for alsamixer suggest you can select your card with the F6 or S keys, but you are supposed to keep your settings harmonized with the pavucontrol.
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3257 [18:25:04] <nagra> ?
3258 [18:25:07] <err403> drop_> I would see if you can upgrade your pulseaudio control.
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3269 [18:28:06] <jsheeren> jim: yes; eno1 is the interface; ip link show gives me "no-carrier,broadcast,multicast,up"
3270 [18:28:09] <jsheeren> but state down
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3272 [18:28:15] <jsheeren> ethtool shows no link detected
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3274 [18:28:29] <jsheeren> if i configure the interface with ifconfig; i have no connection
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3279 [18:30:18] <Matumaros> Hello everyone, I need further assistance to configuring my wifi adapter
3280 [18:30:23] <Matumaros> Hi jim
3281 [18:30:52] <jhutchins> jsheeren: If ethtool shows no link, there is a hardware problem. Bad/loose cable; bad port on switch/hub; bad connector on NIC.
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3287 [18:31:57] <TomTomTosch> Matumaros: describe what you did so far and provide 'lspci -nn | grep -i network' pls.
3288 [18:32:20] <jsheeren> jhutchins: but the server bios shows a link; the switch shows a link ..
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3293 [18:33:39] <acidchild> has CVE-2015-5600 been fixed in 6.7p1-5+deb8u2 on jessie?
3294 [18:33:47] <Matumaros> TomTomTosch: I had jim and some others help me out yesterday, I had manually installed the firmware replaced-url
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3297 [18:33:49] <acidchild> if so, how do i find evidence of it?
3298 [18:33:55] <Matumaros> and I executed these two commands:
3299 [18:33:56] <TomTomTosch> !tracker of doom
3300 [18:33:56] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
3301 [18:34:06] <Matumaros> modprobe rtl8192cu
3302 [18:34:06] <Matumaros> echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id
3303 [18:34:07] <TomTomTosch> acidchild: ^ you can look it up.
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3306 [18:34:19] <Matumaros> the command you said gives back:
3307 [18:34:22] <jsheeren> jhutchins: got to go; thanks for the help
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3310 [18:35:05] <Matumaros> Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1503] (rev 04)
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3312 [18:37:06] <TomTomTosch> well, that's not what i've been looking for. that's the LAN NIC. :/
3313 [18:37:43] <TomTomTosch> can you find the wifi card listed somewhere in lspci -nn or is it a USB dongle?
3314 [18:37:58] <acidchild> TomTomTosch: replaced-url
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3316 [18:38:15] <Matumaros> TomTomTosch: dongle? It's a USB Adapter, yes
3317 [18:38:32] <Matumaros> sorry, forgot to say that
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3320 [18:39:24] <TomTomTosch> acidchild: this is the one you have asked for: replaced-url
3321 [18:39:35] <TomTomTosch> acidchild: and it's not fixed yet.
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3324 [18:40:22] <jhutchins> Matumaros: Your bash history will show what commands you've issued recently if you need to review what you've done so far. You could also take notes, that can be useful as well.
3325 [18:40:29] <acidchild> other than using unstable, is there a way of getting these fixes as soon as they are available?
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3328 [18:40:57] <nummyfx> build from source?
3329 [18:41:11] <TomTomTosch> acidchild: you could try to look for a patch or just wait for it to be fixed.
3330 [18:41:13] <jhutchins> Matumaros: I'm not sure of the context, but can not be both an rtl8192cu and an Intel 92579v.
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3332 [18:41:25] <acidchild> okay TomTomTosch.
3333 [18:41:37] <jelly> acidchild: do you actually use a vulnerable nondefault config to be affected by CVE-2015-6500?
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3336 [18:42:09] <jelly> CVE-2015-5600*
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3338 [18:42:31] <Matumaros> jhutchins: Well, the result of the other command listed the Ethernet, while I try to get my WiFi USB Adapter to work
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3342 [18:43:07] <TomTomTosch> lsusb should list your wifi adapter somewhere.
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3345 [18:43:52] <Matumaros> TomTomTosch: no it doesn't :(
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3348 [18:44:09] <jhutchins> Matumaros: Does it list an unidentified device?
3349 [18:44:37] <Matumaros> jhutchins: No
3350 [18:44:47] <TomTomTosch> well... pull it out and put it back in, she said?
3351 [18:44:51] <Matumaros> there are 12 items on that list
3352 [18:45:17] <babilen> TomTomTosch: I don't think that is appropriate
3353 [18:45:28] <nummyfx> or he
3354 [18:45:38] <Matumaros> TomTomTosch: nope
3355 [18:45:59] <jhutchins> Matumaros: Either the USB port or the device is defective then.
3356 [18:46:21] <TomTomTosch> so it worked using rtl8192cu before?
3357 [18:46:25] <jhutchins> Matumaros: You should see it in lsusb; you should see evidence of connecting and disconnecting it in dmesg.
3358 [18:47:04] <Matumaros> jhutchins: in dmesg it is mentioned
3359 [18:47:10] <Matumaros> TomTomTosch: yes
3360 [18:47:14] <Matumaros> yesterday
3361 [18:47:17] <jhutchins> !paste
3362 [18:47:17] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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3368 [18:48:41] <Matumaros> jhutchins: I can't paste, if that is what you meant, because I have no internet connection on the other machine where I'm trying to get it to work
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3371 [18:49:19] <TomTomTosch> Matumaros: any errors if you modprobe rtl8192cu ?
3372 [18:49:20] <MaBunny> guys where are hexchat logs kept in the system???
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3376 [18:49:38] <Matumaros> TomTomTosch: no, nothing
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3378 [18:49:49] <jim> Matumaros, we had your hardware going yesterday... what happened?
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3383 [18:50:18] <acidchild> jelly: negative. It was an example.
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3386 [18:50:31] <Matumaros> jim: I don't know, we weren't completely done, right?
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3390 [18:51:11] <jim> Matumaros, ifconfig -a shows wlan0?
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3392 [18:51:29] <jelly> acidchild: ah, what's your actual goal then, just learning to interpret what security tracker says?
3393 [18:51:33] <Matumaros> jim: yes
3394 [18:51:55] <jim> ok, and iwlist scan shows your WAPs?
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3396 [18:52:15] <Matumaros> jim: yes it does
3397 [18:52:16] <jelly> !no-dsa
3398 [18:52:16] <dpkg> Some security issues are marked as "no-dsa" when the security team does not intend to issue a fix for them because they are sufficiently minor. They may be fixed as part of later updates or in a point release. Ask me about the <tracker of doom>.
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3403 [18:52:20] <jelly> acidchild: ^^
3404 [18:53:20] <nerdcore> I'm following the debootstrap install instructions for jessie/amd64 and step D.3.4.4 says to edit /etc/resolv.conf, but when I open it the file says not to edit it by hand. How should I setup nameserver directives in jessie?
3405 [18:53:33] <acidchild> jelly: Thanks, yes. I am just learning to interpret what the security tracker is saying.
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3407 [18:54:00] <jim> ok, then your card is working... the next step is to try to log in (probably, you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces, I don't know how to use wpasupplicant, so that has to come from someone else... also, those two commands need to be automated
3408 [18:54:14] <jim> Matumaros ^^
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3410 [18:54:41] <jmcnaught> nerdcore: does resolv.conf say that it was generated by resolvconf(8)?
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3412 [18:55:02] <nerdcore> jmcnaught: yes, I will go and read that man page :)
3413 [18:55:06] <jim> Matumaros, zooming all the way out,,, you need to be able to keep track of this stuff... if not, we have to start over every time
3414 [18:55:23] <Matumaros> jim: alright, I opened that file. Don't you think it might work without those two commands if I get a newer backport kernel?
3415 [18:55:36] <jim> that will take practice, it does n't just happen
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3417 [18:55:48] <nerdcore> jmcnaught: does this section of the install guide require updating? I recall this working in wheezy years ago
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3419 [18:56:09] <Matumaros> jim: yeah, I know :D I'm just really bad at these things, especially after a full day of staring at a screen :P
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3422 [18:56:41] <jim> get your CURRENT setup working first, worry about backport kernels later...
3423 [18:56:48] <jelly> acidchild: you can sometimes find reasons for "no-dsa" in the related bug report(s)
3424 [18:56:57] <jmcnaught> nerdcore: i'm not sure what got installed that pulled in resolvconf
3425 [18:57:16] <jim> and -do- automate that stuff... if you can do that, you don't need the new kernel
3426 [18:57:34] <Matumaros> jim: But aren't they a bit...hacky?
3427 [18:57:40] <acidchild> jelly: much appreciated. I have to justify every CVE that isn't fixed in production.
3428 [18:57:43] <acidchild> jelly: (fml)
3429 [18:57:56] <jmcnaught> nerdcore: for example i have a jessie container that was made with debootstrap, it does not have resolvconf installed. so perhaps you installed something like network-manager that pulled it in?
3430 [18:58:04] <jim> Matumaros, didn't you say the newer kernel failed for something else?
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3432 [18:58:59] <Matumaros> jim: No, I had the stretch version installed, which is why somebody told me to get the stable
3433 [18:59:12] <greycat> My debian workstations at home and at work do not have resolvconf installed.
3434 [18:59:21] <nerdcore> jmcnaught: aside from the base install I have added ppoeconf, ppp, pppoe, and their requisites but there is no sign of resolvconf in /var/log/dpkg.log
3435 [18:59:26] <Matumaros> jim: they said that I should get a newer backport version and that would fix the issue
3436 [18:59:27] <greycat> I would imagine it comes along with NM and GNOME crap, which I do not use.
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3439 [18:59:39] <jhutchins> MaBunny: Look for hidden directories in ~
3440 [18:59:40] <jim> Matumaros, what's your current uname -r?
3441 [18:59:50] <jelly> greycat: you probably wouldn't even have udev if it did not become mandatory at some point!
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3443 [19:00:01] <greycat> MaBunny: hint: echo ~/.*/
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3445 [19:00:18] <Matumaros> jim: 3.16.0-4-amd64
3446 [19:00:36] <jim> ok, that kernel -should- work
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3449 [19:01:00] <Matumaros> jim ™ :)
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3452 [19:01:05] <jhutchins> MaBunny: Also ls -a
3453 [19:01:15] <Matumaros> jim: alright, as long as it works, I don't mind
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3455 [19:01:50] <nerdcore> jmcnaught: in fact I cannot read resolvconf(8) because it is not installed
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3457 [19:02:36] <nerdcore> jmcnaught: my host system for running debootstrap is Ubuntu 14.04. It seems to have just pulled the darned /etc/resolv.conf from there into the new base jessie system's /etc :(
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3459 [19:02:59] <jmcnaught> nerdcore: ahh...
3460 [19:03:04] <Matumaros> so can somebody help me with the wpasupplicant and the automation?
3461 [19:03:06] <nerdcore> jmcnaught: do you suppose I am safe to blow it away and write my own?
3462 [19:03:31] <jmcnaught> nerdcore: yes, and even if resolvconf was installed it would just overwrite it
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3466 [19:04:12] <nerdcore> jmcnaught: thanks for the feedback. this makes *some* sense now hehe
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3468 [19:04:51] <jim> Matumaros, summary: you need to do two things now: first, automate the two commands, they probably need to go in /etc/network/interfaces... second, try to get logged in (again, using /etc/network/interfaces), and I can't help you on this part, given it involves wpasubblicant, which I don't kmnow how to use
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3474 [19:05:44] <Matumaros> jim: are the contents of /etc/network/interfaces executed on system start?
3475 [19:06:03] <greycat> Matumaros: they are read by various things... it's not a script, so it's not executed.
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3479 [19:06:49] <Matumaros> greycat: now I'm a bit confused :D so it's kind of like a settings file?
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3481 [19:07:22] <greycat> yes
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3483 [19:08:03] <Matumaros> but then the two commands would be misplaced there?
3484 [19:08:07] <nerdcore> wowza. from the debootstrapped base system, the linux-image-amd64 package needs 48 additional packages? I'm surprised...
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3486 [19:08:39] <nerdcore> including perl? *really*?? haha
3487 [19:09:32] <nerdcore> ugly
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3490 [19:10:21] <jim> Matumaros, you have to put them in the right section of that file (within the section that configures wlan0)
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3492 [19:10:59] <jim> Matumaros, yes, it is a settings file
3493 [19:11:08] <Matumaros> jim: there is no such section
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3496 [19:11:25] <jim> there will be when you put it in there
3497 [19:11:26] * greycat doesn't understand wireless, so probably cannot help you much
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3501 [19:11:47] <Matumaros> there are only 3 lines, "source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*", "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback"
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3503 [19:12:07] <greycat> You don't even *have* an ethernet interface? Really? Only wireless?
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3505 [19:12:38] <jim> he does, something about a long cable and it doesn't work or somethign
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3508 [19:13:11] <Matumaros> greycat: my dog damaged the cable, but even trying to get a long cable to the closest repeater didn't work for some reason
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3512 [19:14:13] <greycat> Still, if the interface exists, even with no cable in it, I'm surprised you don't have basic eth0 lines in interfaces.
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3514 [19:14:50] <nerdcore> why does linux-image-amd64 require perl, busybox, and 46 other packages (seems like lots of perl libs)?
3515 [19:14:53] <Matumaros> greycat: maybe that is why it didn't work?
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3518 [19:15:21] <greycat> that should not affect wlan0
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3520 [19:15:46] <TomTomTosch> nerdcore: debian inclued lots of perl scripts. it's just part of the debian base system.
3521 [19:16:44] <Matumaros> greycat jim: so I just put the two original commands at the bottom of interfaces?
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3526 [19:17:00] <greycat> You don't put COMMANDS in interfaces. No.
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3529 [19:17:25] <Matumaros> greycat: yeah, that was what I was wondering about :P
3530 [19:17:25] <greycat> You put configuration options, which may INCLUDE a command after some keyword that means "in a specified context, run the following command".
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3533 [19:17:32] <greycat> It's all hooks and callbacks.
3534 [19:17:35] <nerdcore> TomTomTosch: okay, then why isn't that handled during the initial debootstrap installs?
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3536 [19:18:04] <Matumaros> greycat: so where do I put them? In a new file in /etc/init.d/?
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3540 [19:18:23] <greycat> I don't do wireless.
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3542 [19:18:55] <greycat> !wireless
3543 [19:18:56] <dpkg> Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. replaced-url
3544 [19:18:59] <nerdcore> During step D.3.6 of the debootstrap instructions for jessie/amd64 it is suggested I install the package grub-pc. Would grub-efi-amd64 be a better choice? Does grub-pc support EFI?
3545 [19:19:10] <greycat> Maybe that wiki page knows what to do.
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3558 [19:22:40] <root__> could anyone tell me how to enable a webcam in debian and kali linux?
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3562 [19:23:23] <mtn> root__: usually it either works or it does not. does it work when you use cheese?
3563 [19:23:28] <root__> any help would be great.
3564 [19:23:44] <root__> hmm never tried installing it
3565 [19:23:47] <root__> yes it worked fine
3566 [19:23:53] <root__> okay so what happens is this.
3567 [19:23:59] <mtn> root__: then it is enabled
3568 [19:24:01] <Matumaros> greycat: I'm following where it says "command line" here: replaced-url
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3570 [19:24:15] <root__> when i open video call on my fb page it says please enable your mircrophone and camera
3571 [19:24:17] <TomTomTosch> nerdcore: linux-image-* pulls perl because it relys on such tools as debconf which are written in perl.
3572 [19:24:19] <root__> how i enable them?
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3574 [19:24:27] <root__> i desperately need help
3575 [19:24:47] <mtn> root__: sounds like a facebook problem, not an enabling problem, since your webcam is obviously enabled
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3578 [19:24:55] <root__> no no
3579 [19:25:02] <root__> it pops a box up and says it.
3580 [19:25:04] <root__> in firefox
3581 [19:25:05] <nerdcore> TomTomTosch: thanks
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3583 [19:25:18] <root__> i just can't find the correct settings to turn it on?
3584 [19:25:24] <mtn> root__: does it wok in chesse? yes or no?
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3586 [19:25:30] <mtn> wok/work
3587 [19:25:31] <root__> dunno
3588 [19:25:37] <root__> want me to download it quick?
3589 [19:25:47] <mtn> root__: you just said it worked fine. what did that mean?
3590 [19:26:03] <mtn> root__: yes, test with cheese.
3591 [19:26:15] <root__> k downloading cheese in a sec
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3593 [19:26:51] <Matumaros> can somebody help me with the wpasubblicant? Looking at the Wiki just confuses me a lot and I don't want to screw it up now :(
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3595 [19:27:18] <root__> it says please enable camera and microphone sharing <<<
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3597 [19:27:25] <mtn> root__: in cheese?
3598 [19:27:38] <root__> still waiting on apt to finish 1sec
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3601 [19:27:48] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: are you planning on using a desktop environment on this computer? Why not just use NetworkManager?
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3604 [19:29:07] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: isn't that a separate tool I have to install? Btw, I'm connected now :)
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3607 [19:29:30] <sideup66> does anyone here know how to enable strict mode for https for debian running apache
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3609 [19:29:39] <root__> yes it does work in cheese
3610 [19:29:48] <sideup66> kinda feel overwhelmed by guides im finding on the magical google =\
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3612 [19:29:54] <nerdcore> Matumaros: NetworkManager is a easy to use GUI network config tool, handling wired and wireless, IP settings, etc. It's pretty handy unless you are running text-only / headless
3613 [19:29:56] <mtn> root__: ok, nothing wrong with the webcam or debian. only a facebook problem
3614 [19:30:03] <sideup66> and one thing thing i did try kinda killed apache
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3616 [19:30:19] <root__> no its in the browser
3617 [19:30:22] <root__> the box pops up
3618 [19:30:29] <root__> and asks to enable the camera
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3620 [19:31:01] <nerdcore> sideup66: what kind of "strict mode"?
3621 [19:31:19] <nerdcore> sideup66: im not sure what you mean
3622 [19:31:28] <Matumaros> nerdcore: I don't find it installed, which probably means that I need to download it, which I can't do because I have no internet right now
3623 [19:31:28] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: if you use GNOME, KDE, xfce4, Cinnamon then NetworkManager is probably already installed.. it's the default GUI for configuring networks
3624 [19:31:43] <sideup66> nerdcore: i mean, it needs strict https
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3628 [19:32:24] <jim> jmcnaught, he additionally needs to automate the two commands that get his wireless usb dongle to show up in ifconfig and be able to iwlist scan
3629 [19:32:30] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: I have one thing called "Network Tools" and "Network" (from Settings)
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3631 [19:33:08] <Matumaros> jim jmcnaught: I am connected to the internet now
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3633 [19:33:23] <nerdcore> sideup66: HSTS?
3634 [19:33:27] <Matumaros> I didn't actually do anything yet that was described in the wiki
3635 [19:33:30] <jim> with the wireless or wired?
3636 [19:33:35] <Matumaros> wireless
3637 [19:33:57] <jim> great... you just need to automate those commands
3638 [19:34:16] <Matumaros> jim: do I just create a new file in /etc/init.d/?
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3641 [19:34:48] <sideup66> yep nerdcore!
3642 [19:35:08] <jim> well no one has said anything about how to do that
3643 [19:35:23] <jim> what did you use to connect?
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3648 [19:36:10] <Matumaros> jim: the GUI interface
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3651 [19:37:10] <jim> network-manager?
3652 [19:37:29] <Matumaros> Network, in Settings
3653 [19:37:30] <jubo2> ummm... needs a bit of help
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3656 [19:37:40] <nerdcore> sideup66: according to this post, you need to rewrite replaced-url
3657 [19:37:46] <jubo2> nmap is saying 443 is closed.. What does that mean
3658 [19:37:55] <jubo2> the firewall settings are unchanged
3659 [19:38:11] <jubo2> at least it means that no https is being served
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3662 [19:38:40] <jmcnaught> you don't need to use mod_rewrite to redirect to https: replaced-url
3663 [19:38:42] <greycat> jubo2: lsof -i :443
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3665 [19:38:55] <greycat> that will tell you what's using port 443
3666 [19:39:00] <nerdcore> sideup66: what jmcnaught said :)
3667 [19:39:06] <jubo2> nothing is using it greycat
3668 [19:39:27] <greycat> There you go, then.
3669 [19:39:28] <nerdcore> jubo2: then it isn't open! hehe
3670 [19:39:34] <jubo2> 'sudo service nginx start' fails
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3672 [19:40:05] <jubo2> I see what the commands it recommends when it tells of the failure yield
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3674 [19:40:15] <greycat> Read the errors and fix them.
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3676 [19:40:22] <jubo2> okays
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3678 [19:40:32] <jubo2> 'sudo nginx -t' says all is fine
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3680 [19:40:37] <jubo2> so I'm kinda confused
3681 [19:41:37] <sideup66> nerdcore: it fails when i add that line to the vhosts file
3682 [19:42:19] <jim> so far we hadn;t gotten an answer to this: on a desktop machine which uses nm to configure the wireless net, there are two commands he needs to issue before the interface shows up in ifconfig... so, my question is, using what mechanism is probably the best for automating those commands?
3683 [19:43:10] <awwal> Trying to make a customized mplayer control input file (mplayer cli mode). In /etc/mplayer/input.conf I see "END pt_up_step -1 > pt_step 1 # skip to next file < pt_step -1 # previous" So in own file I would create in ~/.mplayer/input.conf I would just chage > by n (I change of > pt_step 1 by b pt_step 1) ?
3684 [19:43:49] <jubo2> I get replaced-url
3685 [19:43:56] <jubo2> I'm kind of confused
3686 [19:44:05] <jubo2> I didn't touch anything that would break it
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3688 [19:44:17] <jubo2> the journalctl -xn
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3690 [19:44:27] <jubo2> just says no journal entries
3691 [19:44:36] <nerdcore> sideup66: are you loading mod_headers?
3692 [19:44:50] <sideup66> i think?
3693 [19:44:53] <greycat> jubo2: well, then you will have to look for the errors in the nginx logs.
3694 [19:44:54] <nerdcore> sideup66: `apache2ctl -M` should show which modules are enabled
3695 [19:45:01] <nerdcore> iirc
3696 [19:45:11] <awwal> default input config file is Home key for previous entry and End for next but it doesnt work. I want change that by B for previous and N for next
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3698 [19:45:25] <sideup66> i see one called rewrite_module
3699 [19:45:29] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: does connecting to wifi with the GUI method you used work without entering those commands?
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3701 [19:45:55] <sideup66> and the page does redirect without it
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3703 [19:46:01] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: I don't think so, should I try to restart?
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3705 [19:46:31] <nerdcore> sideup66: to have apache generate arbitrary headers like one called "Strict-Transport-Security" you will need to enable mod_headers
3706 [19:46:39] <jim> jmcnaught, no, as evidenced by wlan0 not showing up in ifconfig after boot
3707 [19:46:44] <nerdcore> sideup66: try `a2enmod headers``
3708 [19:46:59] <jmcnaught> jim: Matumaros: did that happen again today or just yesterday?
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3710 [19:47:15] <jubo2> I can't figure out what is wrong.. 'sudo nginx -t' says the confs are just fine
3711 [19:47:15] <jim> so really, reallly, we need to automate those commands.
3712 [19:47:19] <sideup66> yeah dont see that
3713 [19:47:25] <sideup66> though over web there is https redirection
3714 [19:47:27] <jubo2> greycat: ait.. I look in /var/log/nginx
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3716 [19:47:42] <greycat> jim: if it were interfaces(5) we'd probably put it in an "up" option in the interface's stanza.
3717 [19:47:55] <greycat> jim: I don't know a thing about wireless or about NM.
3718 [19:48:26] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: I didn't restart today
3719 [19:48:31] <jim> greycat, ok, thanks for the reply... probably would need to switch to that
3720 [19:48:34] <nerdcore> sideup66: enable it with a2enmod
3721 [19:48:41] <jubo2> greycat: looking at that there is something listening to 80 that is stopping nginx from starting
3722 [19:48:52] <jubo2> Lots of "2016/06/01 19:46:34 [emerg] 2356#0: bind() to 37.97.183.15:80 failed (98: Address already in use)"
3723 [19:48:54] <greycat> lsof -i :80
3724 [19:49:10] <jim> Matumaros, so you left the machine running from yesterday, and did not reboot today?
3725 [19:49:23] <sideup66> ok that worked
3726 [19:49:29] <sideup66> now re add that stuff to the vhost file
3727 [19:49:35] <Matumaros> jim: no, I shut it down yesterday and started it today, but did not restart it today
3728 [19:49:35] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: oh i see. what are the commands again? Personally I would test rebooting and configuring network in the GUI, and if the commands are ncessary then put them in the boot somehow
3729 [19:49:45] <sideup66> ?
3730 [19:49:57] <Matumaros> jim jmcnaught: well, restarting won't hurt, right?
3731 [19:49:57] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: did you enter the commands after starting the computer today?
3732 [19:50:04] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: yes
3733 [19:50:09] <nerdcore> sideup66: yeah it sounds to me like apache failed because you were trying to set a new Header without mod_headers enabled
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3735 [19:50:15] <jubo2> greycat: umm.. it says a bunch of rubys
3736 [19:50:16] <jim> Matumaros, so the computer was off at some time today?
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3739 [19:50:32] <Matumaros> jim: yes, I started it short time before I came on here
3740 [19:50:38] <greycat> jubo2: huh, weird... you installed some sort of web server process that's written in ruby and listens on port 80?
3741 [19:50:53] <Matumaros> so can I just restart and see what happens?
3742 [19:50:55] <nerdcore> sideup66: now you should be able to set "Strict-Transport-Security" or any other header like "sideup66s-wicked-new-header" :P
3743 [19:51:03] <jim> Matumaros, at that time, did you have to run those two commands'/
3744 [19:51:08] <jim> ?
3745 [19:51:29] <Matumaros> I did the list usb thing, it wasn't there, then I did the two commands, again list usb and wasn't there and then I did the things you said
3746 [19:51:37] <Matumaros> so I don't know if it really did something today
3747 [19:51:51] <jubo2> greycat: not afaik
3748 [19:51:57] <jubo2> I just isntalled diaspora*
3749 [19:52:03] <greycat> ,info diaspora
3750 [19:52:04] <judd> No package named 'diaspora' was found in jessie/amd64.
3751 [19:52:09] <jubo2> to migrate from a too expensive server
3752 [19:52:09] <greycat> *sigh*
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3754 [19:52:19] <jim> "things you said", I said a lot of things, you will have to remind me
3755 [19:52:37] <Matumaros> jim: alright, hang on a second, also, would it be so bad if I just quickly restart?
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3757 [19:52:52] <jim> don't restart now
3758 [19:53:26] <Matumaros> jim: dmesg; ifconfig -a; iwlist scan
3759 [19:53:31] <Matumaros> all after the two commands
3760 [19:53:43] <jim> and did the scan work?
3761 [19:53:51] <Matumaros> jim: yes
3762 [19:53:55] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: what are these mystery commands?
3763 [19:53:59] <jim> ok...
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3765 [19:54:03] <Matumaros> but I'm not sure if it worked because of the commands
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3767 [19:54:13] <jim> modprobe of the driver, and an echo
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3769 [19:54:17] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: modprobe rtl8192cu
3770 [19:54:17] <Matumaros> echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id
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3773 [19:54:59] <sebboh-> Is #debian-next not a thing anymore?
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3775 [19:55:16] <andril> hello
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3777 [19:55:20] <sebboh> hello.
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3779 [19:55:22] <jim> sebboh-, it's on a different network
3780 [19:55:28] <andril> hey sebboh
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3783 [19:55:37] <sebboh> oh, oftc, I remember now. Well, I'm here. :)
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3787 [19:56:12] <andril> anyone using Plank?
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3790 [19:57:01] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: first i would check to see if only the first command is necessary. it's curious why udev isn't loading this module on boot or when the device is plugged in
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3792 [19:57:45] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: so.. I just restart the computer, see if it works without the command, if not, just try the first one and see if it works?
3793 [19:57:46] <jubo2> greycat: 'lsof -i :80' prints empty line but nginx still complains it cannot bind to :80
3794 [19:58:08] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: yeah sounds reasonable
3795 [19:58:23] <jubo2> I go ask in #nginx
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3800 [19:59:40] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: alright, restarted, no wifi listed
3801 [20:00:00] <sebboh> I've got an existing btrfs machine with four physical devices which are in some kind of raid-like configuration. I'd like to move everything into /@old or something and install a new debian system in /. So I downloaded the latest daily netinst (as I have done for years) and booted it up... But the Partition disks screen shows all four devices as being empty. This is not the case. So I backed out of there and opened a shell. I don't
3802 [20:00:00] <sebboh> see a /target existing. I figured I'd manually mount the btrfs ... array? in /target, move the old stuff, and proceed from there. ...So, my problems are: where do I find /target? And: If I manually get the target ready, is the installer going to complain that I haven't completed the Partition disks step?
3803 [20:00:30] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: dmesg not listing anything relevant
3804 [20:00:34] <jim> jmcnaught, we've already done that... apparantly it would require some new backport kernel, I don't know if it works for everything else... the driver modprobe IS NOT SUFFICIENT for making the interface show up... we've said that over and over and over again... I would just like to get this working and the issue disposed of
3805 [20:00:52] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: ifconfig -a not listing wifi either
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3807 [20:01:21] <jhutchins> jubo2: Is nginx already running?
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3809 [20:01:32] <jubo2> jhutchins: don't think so
3810 [20:01:39] <greycat> also make sure you ran the lsof -i :80 as root. if you run it as non-root you get no output.
3811 [20:01:39] <jubo2> 'ps aux|grep nginx' ?
3812 [20:01:49] <jmcnaught> jim: it seemed to me that Matumaros wasn't sure if the echo to /sys was necessary, or just loading the module. it's good to figure out the minimum that needs to be done
3813 [20:01:50] <jubo2> greycat: aha.. I try with sudo
3814 [20:01:52] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: jim is right, it requires both commands
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3816 [20:02:08] <jim> Matumaros, what happens if you reboot again, and try only the second command
3817 [20:02:18] <jubo2> greycat: ok. now found the problem
3818 [20:02:28] <jubo2> bunch of apaches fucking things up for nginx
3819 [20:02:31] <Matumaros> jim: I'll try that
3820 [20:02:41] <jubo2> I don't remember asking for apaches at any point
3821 [20:02:50] <jubo2> I 'sudo apachectl stop'
3822 [20:02:52] <jim> (specifically the echo)
3823 [20:03:11] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: you can list the module in /etc/modules, and make a file in /etc/sysctl.d/ for the sys part
3824 [20:03:18] <greycat> jubo2: to make 'em not start back up later, systemctl disable apache2.service
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3826 [20:03:57] <Matumaros> jim jmcnaught: only the second command gives "No such file or directory"
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3828 [20:04:30] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: how exactly?
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3831 [20:04:47] <nerdcore> sideup66: any luck?
3832 [20:05:08] <jim> so that confirms that both command are necessary, and either are not sufficient by themselves
3833 [20:05:09] <sideup66> nope
3834 [20:05:23] <sebboh> /erc-tls
3835 [20:05:35] <sebboh> ... ignore that.
3836 [20:05:46] <Matumaros> jim: yes
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3838 [20:07:10] <jim> Matumaros, so, the first command must create the file in /sys/...
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3844 [20:08:31] <Matumaros> jim: so I list the echo part in the /etc/modules file and the other one in a new file in /etc/sysctled/, right?
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3846 [20:09:29] <jim> so, are files in /etc/sysctl.d read before or after modules listed in /etc/modules are loaded?
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3848 [20:10:43] <jim> Matumaros, no. do this: put the module you modprobed in /etc/modules, then reboot and see if it gets loaded (by doing the echo after booting)
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3850 [20:11:12] <zW> Hi there
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3852 [20:11:22] <Matumaros> jim: just the module or the modprobe part too?
3853 [20:11:24] <zW> Anyone using Emulex OCM14104-UX-D 10Gb card in the debian release version?
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3855 [20:11:28] <jim> (just the module name, -not- the modprobe)
3856 [20:11:37] <Matumaros> ok
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3858 [20:11:46] <ikonia> zW: debian or ubuntu as you're asking on both
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3860 [20:11:47] <sideup66> nerdcore: error is includesubdomains is unknown
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3862 [20:12:14] <jim> then we'll automate the second command
3863 [20:12:17] <zW> ikonia: I tried them in both but have problems with it :)
3864 [20:12:47] <nerdcore> sideup66: you restarted apache? does `apache2ctl -M` show mod_headers?
3865 [20:13:02] <jim> zW, are you running debian right now? or are you running ubuntu right now?
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3867 [20:13:40] <Matumaros> jim: echo worked
3868 [20:13:50] <jim> ok... one sec.
3869 [20:13:56] <Matumaros> :)
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3872 [20:14:36] <Matumaros> jim: btw, do you think it makes any difference (speed wise) that I have the adapter in the old USB ports and not in a 3.0 one?
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3879 [20:15:24] <jim> that would first depend on whether the wireless can do usb 3
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3881 [20:15:44] <sideup66> nerdcore: nope?
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3883 [20:16:08] <Matumaros> jim: I'm pretty sure it can, would it?
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3887 [20:17:04] <jim> Matumaros, ok, put the wireless command in /etc/sysctl.d/local-wireless.conf
3888 [20:17:40] <jmcnaught> jim: Matumaros: actually i think i got it confused, sysctl is for /proc/sys not /sys.
3889 [20:17:49] <sideup66> =\
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3891 [20:17:53] <Matumaros> jim: That's a new file, right?
3892 [20:18:02] <jim> Matumaros, lets get this done before dealing with "what if" questions
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3894 [20:18:44] <jim> Matumaros, hold on a sec
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3896 [20:19:05] <jim> jmcnaught, does that change where the echo cmd should go?
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3899 [20:19:49] <sideup66> nerdcore: got anything else for me?
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3909 [20:21:47] <jmcnaught> jim: Matumaros: the echo command could simply be put in rc.local. sysfsutils could also be used. it might also be possible to pass it as a module option in /etc/modprobe.d
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3911 [20:22:25] <jim> sec.
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3913 [20:25:14] <Matumaros> jim: so?
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3915 [20:25:58] <jim> does rc.local run after /etc/modules is read (and modules loaded)?
3916 [20:26:15] <greycat> I would imagine so.
3917 [20:26:25] <greycat> It should be quite late in the boot proess.
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3920 [20:27:07] <jim> ok, we'll try each one
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3922 [20:27:42] <Matumaros> jim: so I put the whole line in /etc/rc.local?
3923 [20:28:30] <jim> Matumaros, yeah, that should work fine (the echo command, also do not forget to put a comment about what it's doing
3924 [20:28:44] <jim> comments start with #
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3926 [20:28:47] <greycat> and make sure it's BEFORE exit 0 (or just remove the exit 0 entirely)
3927 [20:28:59] <Matumaros> jim: ok, will do, will report back after that and restart
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3929 [20:29:24] <jim> acceptance test: does interface show up in ifconfig -a
3930 [20:29:47] <jim> you doing that right now?
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3932 [20:30:16] <Matumaros> I added the line to rc.local and I'm restarting now
3933 [20:30:26] <jim> ok
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3937 [20:30:59] <jim> it's also possible your net will be up, test for that: ping yahoo.com
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3939 [20:31:18] <Matumaros> jim: is connected and I can access the internet :)
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3942 [20:31:42] <jim> ok, so the wireless is actually up... good
3943 [20:31:42] <Matumaros> jim: yes worked :):)
3944 [20:32:20] <Matumaros> jim, greycat, jmcnaught: thanks for your help guys!
3945 [20:32:44] <jim> welcome... definitely wanted to get this out of the way
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3947 [20:33:08] <Matumaros> jim: I can install everything else I need now, right?
3948 [20:33:42] <jim> Matumaros, what's one thing you need?
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3952 [20:34:10] <Matumaros> jim: guake, browser, editor, those kinds of things
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3954 [20:34:31] <jim> which editor do you want?
3955 [20:34:46] <Matumaros> um, why?
3956 [20:34:47] <jim> what
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3958 [20:35:01] <jim> so that we can see if apt-get works
3959 [20:35:11] <Matumaros> oh, ok, SublimeText3
3960 [20:35:23] <jim> ,v SublimeText3
3961 [20:35:25] <judd> No package named 'SublimeText3' was found in amd64.
3962 [20:35:30] <teraflops> Heh
3963 [20:35:37] <x-stream> hi, I am investigating a break in and found shellcode. lsof shows files that are not in the filesystem while the program is running. /usb/bin/host is involved
3964 [20:35:47] <Matumaros> ,v sublime_text_3
3965 [20:35:48] <jim> what's the actual package name?
3966 [20:35:48] <judd> No package named 'sublime_text_3' was found in amd64.
3967 [20:36:13] <x-stream> I want to get the file content that lsof shows off. they have the FD Flag DEL, how can I get access to it?
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3969 [20:36:36] <Matumaros> jim: I don't know :)
3970 [20:37:00] <Matumaros> ,v sublime-text-3
3971 [20:37:01] <judd> No package named 'sublime-text-3' was found in amd64.
3972 [20:37:07] <jmcnaught> i don't think sublimetext is open source, or in Debian
3973 [20:37:15] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ apt-cache search sublime text
3974 [20:37:15] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$
3975 [20:37:35] <Matumaros> jim: replaced-url
3976 [20:37:39] <x-stream> I want to get this file lsof shows of: host 10969 USER DEL REG 9,2 59640726 /var/replaced-url
3977 [20:37:48] <greycat> I suggest learning a common unix text editor. Even nano will do in a pinch.
3978 [20:37:49] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: it works perfectly fine on this machine
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3981 [20:38:11] <Matumaros> greycat: I use nano for that things, but not for programming
3982 [20:38:23] <greycat> Fine.
3983 [20:38:24] <jim> but you can...
3984 [20:38:28] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: i'm sure it works fine, you just won't find proprietary programs in Debian's repositories
3985 [20:39:01] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: I see, so the link I posted should work though?
3986 [20:39:25] <jim> Matumaros, what else? what browser?
3987 [20:39:27] <x-stream> I already tried to find it by doing this: ls -l /proc/10969/fd/4 but it gives me a socket
3988 [20:39:36] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: i would probably go to the sublimetext website and follow their instructions before trying random google results
3989 [20:39:46] <Matumaros> ,v vivaldi
3990 [20:39:47] <judd> No package named 'vivaldi' was found in amd64.
3991 [20:40:00] <Matumaros> ,v skype
3992 [20:40:01] <judd> No package named 'skype' was found in amd64.
3993 [20:40:15] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: will do that
3994 [20:40:17] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: you can message the bot privately
3995 [20:40:29] <Matumaros> how?
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3998 [20:40:50] <jim> skype is problematic... the devs try to change it in order to defeat it's running on linux
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4000 [20:40:54] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: /msg judd v firefox
4001 [20:41:18] <Matumaros> jim: yeah, but my friends will cry my ear off if I don't get it :D
4002 [20:41:27] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: thanks
4003 [20:42:12] <jmcnaught> Matumaros: there's a wiki page for installing skype: replaced-url
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4005 [20:42:37] <x-stream> list
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4009 [20:42:56] <Matumaros> jmcnaught: oh, didn't know about that one :) Thanks
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4011 [20:43:24] <jim> x-stream, this is not a warez honeypot
4012 [20:43:32] <Matumaros> Are there any other alternatives to Skype? All those in "10 great Skype alternatives on Linux" aren't that great
4013 [20:43:37] <x-stream> ?
4014 [20:43:54] <Ooze> TOX
4015 [20:44:07] <x-stream> what do you mean? I want to get it to find out what it does and disclose it
4016 [20:44:34] <jim> x-stream, get what?
4017 [20:44:57] <greycat> He believes he has been cracked, and a malicious file installed, then opened/executed, then unlinked.
4018 [20:45:04] <x-stream> yes
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4020 [20:45:16] <x-stream> and I want to get the contents of the file lsof shows of
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4022 [20:45:30] <x-stream> so that I know what its targets are
4023 [20:45:40] <jim> oh ok... then I got confused as to what was the purpose of "list"
4024 [20:45:52] <Matumaros> jim: guake is something we can try
4025 [20:46:01] <x-stream> I checked channels and mistyped didnt use irc for a long time
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4028 [20:46:36] <x-stream> any ideas?
4029 [20:46:38] <mutante> Matumaros: replaced-url
4030 [20:46:42] <jim> guake - Drop-down terminal for GNOME Desktop Environment <--- you mean this?
4031 [20:46:50] <Matumaros> jim: yes
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4033 [20:47:15] <jim> ok, then try: apt-get install guake
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4035 [20:47:30] <nerdcore> sideup66: sorry no. never got HSTS working myself. Not sure what the advantage would be TBH. Just force HTTP to HTTPS and call it a day IMO :)
4036 [20:47:48] <x-stream> I will put the contents of the initial php file online now just a sec
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4038 [20:48:08] <Matumaros> jim: Do I need to be root? Because it asks me to be
4039 [20:48:18] <jim> (and the situation you're trying it in: we just automated getting your interface up, you rebooted, the net is up, and we're now trying apt-get
4040 [20:48:26] <jim> yep
4041 [20:48:32] <jim> as root
4042 [20:48:41] <jim> )
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4044 [20:49:02] <Matumaros> jim: Unable to locate package guake
4045 [20:49:36] <Matumaros> jim: because I have no mirrors set up, right?
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4047 [20:50:10] <x-stream> anybody thing he can help me with this? otherwise I will try to find help on other places
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4049 [20:50:28] <jim> Matumaros, maybe... pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
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4051 [20:50:39] <Matumaros> jim: will do
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4055 [20:51:38] <Matumaros> jim: well... it only has comments in it and one line "deb cdrom:<DVD I used to install>"
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4058 [20:52:09] <greycat> x-stream: The only thing I can think of would be to attach to the running process with gdb, then try to rewind the open file and dump the content out somehow, which may be hard as hell especially with a shared library (non-text).
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4060 [20:52:20] <greycat> x-stream: if the file has already been closed, it's gone.
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4062 [20:52:24] <jim> Matumaros, zooming out... I very strongly recommend you practice reading man pages, it's a skill, and the kind of writing is sometimes a bit strange...
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4064 [20:52:34] <x-stream> its still open
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4066 [20:52:48] <jim> Matumaros, transfer the file to your laptop, then pastebin it
4067 [20:52:50] <x-stream> because of this I do not kill the process for the moment
4068 [20:52:51] <sideup66> nerdcore: i may wind up doing that
4069 [20:52:55] <sideup66> because it is ssl
4070 [20:52:57] <x-stream> I am watching it
4071 [20:52:57] <sideup66> and the only time its not
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4073 [20:53:07] <sideup66> is when im using local ip addresses
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4075 [20:53:14] <sideup66> at that point, who cares? im in my home network
4076 [20:53:18] <jim> brb
4077 [20:53:54] <Matumaros> jim: I don't understand what you mean with your first answer
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4082 [20:55:21] <cluelessperson> Wtf.
4083 [20:55:30] <cluelessperson> "A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interfaces"
4084 [20:55:32] <Matumaros> jim: pastebin.com/1jdw86aA
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4088 [20:56:14] <cluelessperson> nvm
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4090 [20:56:25] <markybob> Matumaros: see what the bot sent you
4091 [20:56:54] <Matumaros> markybob: I saw, so I can just replace the current line with "deb" with those 3 that the bot sent?
4092 [20:57:14] <markybob> Matumaros: yes. then apt-get update
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4095 [20:57:39] <Matumaros> markybob: ok, thanks, will do
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4102 [21:00:00] <jim> Matumaros, comment out all the lines that have cdrom in them...
4103 [21:00:37] <Matumaros> jim: did
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4108 [21:01:39] <jim> uncomment lines 8, and 10
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4112 [21:02:09] <markybob> jim: dpkg gave him the right lines to use. he knows
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4115 [21:03:01] <Matumaros> jim markybob: alright, apt-get update done
4116 [21:03:20] <jim> Matumaros, try: apt-get install guake
4117 [21:03:30] <Matumaros> jim: seems to work
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4119 [21:03:34] <Matumaros> done
4120 [21:03:57] <jim> see if you have guake
4121 [21:04:15] <Matumaros> jim: yes :)
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4128 [21:05:13] <Matumaros> jim: so, we are done?
4129 [21:05:17] <jim> good,,, seems like you're all set now,,,
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4132 [21:06:13] <Matumaros> jim: awesome :) Thanks a lot to you, I would probably have given up by now, or the computer would have went up in flames
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4138 [21:08:05] <jim> one thing... be -very- careful about installing anything outside of the apt-get thing...
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4140 [21:08:36] <jim> and be equally careful about adding things to sources.list
4141 [21:08:54] <Matumaros> jim: I will, but I guess it will be unavoidable :)
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4144 [21:09:44] <jim> just be careful.... dependency hell is a very ugly place to be...
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4146 [21:10:29] <mtn> Matumaros: replaced-url
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4148 [21:10:34] <Matumaros> thanks for the warning :)
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4150 [21:10:59] <jhutchins> ET016-CUCM-PUB
4151 [21:11:05] <Matumaros> mtn: thank you
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4153 [21:11:49] <mtn> Matumaros: welcome
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4156 [21:12:38] <zW> So no emulex 10g users here? :)
4157 [21:13:07] <catbehemoth> I ma trying to set up a vm with uefi, I installed ovmf but virt-manager still says no UEFI/OVMF can someone tell me what am I missing? on ubuntu all I had to do is install ovmf and restart libvirt services...
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4159 [21:13:48] <Matumaros> mtn: but things like SublimeText and Vivaldi browser are not in the Debian repo :(
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4161 [21:14:02] <c-c> Matumaros: more homework now
4162 [21:14:06] <mtn> Matumaros: you don't really need them.
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4164 [21:14:21] <c-c> Matumaros: of course propritetary software isnt in Debian!
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4167 [21:14:55] <Matumaros> mtn: I don't really need a computer either...
4168 [21:15:12] <c-c> besides, vim eats Sublime for breakfast. Learn vim, its omnicomplete, netrw and regexes.
4169 [21:15:26] <mtn> Matumaros: well, you have been warned. you can do what you want to, but won't get much sympathy if you break it doing so
4170 [21:16:03] <Matumaros> c-c: I don't agree on that, I tried vim, but everybody has their preferences
4171 [21:16:11] <Matumaros> mtn: thank you, I hope nothing breaks
4172 [21:17:19] <c-c> Matumaros: it is not easy, but it is nost powerful editor in history
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4176 [21:18:04] <jhutchins> Matumaros: As with WIndows software in Linux, you should look for what alternatives are available. They are often better than the closed source, non-Debian programs.
4177 [21:19:13] <Matumaros> c-c: I don't disagree with that, just for serious development it's too bare for my taste
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4180 [21:19:37] <c-c> Matumaros: see that is where your knowledge is short
4181 [21:19:49] <Matumaros> jhutchins: what are you talking about specifically?
4182 [21:19:55] <Matumaros> c-c: :)
4183 [21:19:59] <c-c> Matumaros: vim is full blown ide without any additions by itself.
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4185 [21:20:31] <c-c> sublime may have easier gui, but is not as fully featured
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4187 [21:20:46] <Matumaros> c-c: alright, I'll have another look at it
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4189 [21:21:37] <c-c> Matumaros: if you are a programmer or a author, vim can do it all. Get a book like "Hacking Vim" to help you start, if you really interested in superb editor/IDE.
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4191 [21:21:51] <c-c> *an author ;)
4192 [21:22:09] <c-c> Also, NeoVim is coming...
4193 [21:22:51] <Matumaros> c-c: well a colleague at work once tried to convince me of vim, it didn't blow me away, but I'll have another look at it
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4195 [21:24:25] <SuperTramp83> c-c: I'd like to interject for a moment..
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4200 [21:27:32] * c-c 's soapbox speech for vim has already ended 8)
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4215 [21:32:06] <babilen> evil on emacs is superiour ;)
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4230 [21:37:10] <jelly> here's a riddle: how can a zombie process eat 100% of a CPU core?
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4234 [21:37:35] <jelly> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
4235 [21:37:35] <jelly> 18478 jelly 20 0 0 0 0 Z 100.0 0.0 118:59.15 chrome
4236 [21:37:38] <greycat> You took a snapshot of its historical CPU usage right after its death, and it was showing you an average from when it had been alive?
4237 [21:37:50] <jelly> no, top defaults
4238 [21:38:00] <greycat> I don't even know what top's defaults *are*.
4239 [21:38:19] <jelly> "realtime" one second refresh
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4241 [21:38:40] <greycat> is the 118:59.15 going up?
4242 [21:38:50] <spacebug^> In Debian Jessie, I get no sound from Spotify, but I get sound from Gnome itself. I wounder if somehow Spotify is using ALSA directly instead of through Pulse, but aplay without parameters plays files correctly so then ALSA is setup correct too? Hum..
4243 [21:38:59] <jelly> greycat: yes
4244 [21:39:03] <greycat> *boggle*
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4246 [21:39:18] <greycat> something is very confused.
4247 [21:39:46] <jelly> ah, it died in the end, just took its sweet time
4248 [21:40:02] <jelly> still. zombies eating brains.
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4252 [21:41:31] <spacebug^> can't seem to find any /etc/modprobe.d/asound.conf
4253 [21:41:35] <spacebug^> removed?
4254 [21:41:54] <jelly> I suspect doing a kill -9 (that's how I killed it before it became a zombie) made the deallocate its significant usage of swap space
4255 [21:42:08] <jelly> the kernel*
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4257 [21:44:21] <jelly> and I have swap in compressed RAM (zram), so CPU time spent in kernel doing presumably uncompressing pages or related structures to get rid of them... was counted as user process cpu time
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4259 [21:45:01] <Matumaros> How do I set a custom compose key? In the GNOME GUI I can only select a few, but the one I want is not among them
4260 [21:45:32] <Matumaros> Is /etc/default/console-setup the right place?
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4263 [21:46:25] <greycat> Matumaros: no.
4264 [21:46:40] <greycat> Definitely, positively not, for anything with GNOME in the question.
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4266 [21:47:08] <Matumaros> greycat: what do you mean?
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4268 [21:47:22] <greycat> There is no way no how no conceivable connection between /etc/default/console-setup and GNOME.
4269 [21:47:38] <greycat> GNOME is an X program.
4270 [21:47:57] <greycat> X does not use the Linux consoles.
4271 [21:48:32] <Matumaros> greycat: I didn't imply that there was, I just said that over GNOME GUI Settings/Keyboard/Shortcuts/Typing/Compose Key you can set it, but the one I want is not among them
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4273 [21:49:20] <Matumaros> so I was looking online for how to do it manually and /etc/default/console-setup was one answer
4274 [21:49:43] <c-c> Is there a way to edit sources.list from within Aptitude (console/ncurses)?
4275 [21:49:54] <greycat> 15:45 Matumaros> Is /etc/default/console-setup the right place?
4276 [21:49:55] <greycat> 15:46 greycat> Matumaros: no.
4277 [21:50:28] <Matumaros> greycat: so how do you do it then?
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4280 [21:51:20] <Matumaros> greycat: oh wait, I might have found something
4281 [21:51:31] <greycat> I do it by running xmodmap commands from my ~/.xsession file which is a solution that works for me because I use startx to run X, not gdm3, not GNOME.
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4287 [21:53:22] <Matumaros> greycat: I see... well, the thing I thought is something isn't because it talks about an older version of GNOME
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4290 [21:54:17] <c-c> Basically I am asking for non-gui, console way to add repositories from a list, like in gui-synaptic=
4291 [21:54:20] <greycat> I've said this before, but... there is a large and growing divide between two major segments of the Debian community: older users who generally abhor DEs and know nothing about them, and newer users who use DEs and need help with them.
4292 [21:54:31] <c-c> * without manual editing, that is !
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4298 [21:55:09] <somiaj> c-c: just put a source.list file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that contains the sources you want.
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4300 [21:55:17] <c-c> somiaj: nope
4301 [21:55:34] <somiaj> c-c: once you have the repos, just copy the file in place. Probably easier than having some tool edit the config file for you
4302 [21:55:39] <c-c> somiaj: I am looking for something that shows you a list of available repos - like in synaptic.
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4305 [21:56:11] <somiaj> c-c: what do you mean by available repos, in debian there is basicaly one repo and the security sources, it isn't like there is a full list of ones you want to turn on/off.
4306 [21:56:23] <c-c> I know all about editing sources.list by hand. I'm looking for something semi-user/noob friendly.
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4308 [21:56:40] <somiaj> there are some programs that will test different mirrors for you and try to find a good one, but httpredir.debian.org works good in most cases.
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4310 [21:56:55] <somiaj> c-c: what repos are you wanting to be able to add/remove?
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4312 [21:57:01] <c-c> somiaj: why do you ask? Theres testing, non-free, secu, backports...
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4314 [21:57:19] <c-c> somiaj: step back, and read what I am asking for again :)
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4316 [21:57:40] <somiaj> c-c: it may not exist, I haven't seen something like that because in it really isn't needed. I'm trying to suggest alternatives.
4317 [21:57:41] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
4318 [21:57:41] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
4319 [21:58:03] <c-c> A guided way, to add repo sources, from console, like a ncurses synaptic?
4320 [21:58:06] <somiaj> you shoudln't need to edit the sources.list after you set it up and when you do the standard method is via $EDITOR
4321 [21:58:26] <unborn> c-c: in debian its synaptic best option, you can edit sources there.. simple is that.
4322 [21:59:00] <greycat> There is no NEED to add sources. It's set up one time during installation with a network available.
4323 [21:59:08] <at0m> unborn: you mean /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
4324 [21:59:16] <greycat> The only time you change it is if you want to add contrib/non-free or backports.
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4326 [21:59:51] <at0m> imho, root has no bizz whatsoever running anything graphical. if gramma allows.
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4328 [22:00:16] <greycat> Oh, is that what he was asking for? A GUI admin tool to run as root? *bleh!*
4329 [22:00:32] <greycat> (For a nonexistent admin task, even.)
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4331 [22:00:44] <learner_of_debia> I am trying to reduce the resolution of my systemd/console (I don't want to change the font size). I have successfully made grub and X the right resolution, but the resolution seems to change back to the highest resolution when the system switches to the systemd messages and console. Most searches seem to suggest that setting GRUB-GFXMODE and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX should solve he problem, but it doesn't for me. How can I change
4332 [22:00:44] <learner_of_debia> the systemd and console resolution?
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4335 [22:02:02] <c-c> Ah, not even synaptic can add "testing" repo in a "guided" way.
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4337 [22:02:22] <greycat> OH GODS
4338 [22:02:28] <greycat> Oh, just... no.
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4340 [22:02:47] <c-c> greycat: step down from your tower to the sidewalk for a second. Not every user is the eleet hacker that you have the priviledge of being.
4341 [22:03:07] <greycat> Done. Bye bye. *plonk*
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4343 [22:03:21] <jmcnaught> c-c: stable users shouldn't be adding testing repos anyways, and synaptic is not an appropriate tool to dist-upgrade from stable to testing
4344 [22:03:30] <c-c> wow, what an obnoxius elitist attitude
4345 [22:03:34] <greycat> People who can't manage to replace jessie with testing in a text file have NO FUCKING BUSINESS running testing. AT ALL. None.
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4347 [22:03:46] <TomTomTo1> c-c it's just editing a textfile. there is no real need for a dedicated tool. why do you think you need to switch to testing anyway?
4348 [22:03:47] <jmcnaught> c-c: it doesn't seem like the tool you're looking for exists
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4353 [22:04:02] <c-c> jmcnaught: yes, looks so
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4355 [22:04:17] <greycat> He's coming from some non-Debian background where people have to add "repos" to their sources because their operating systems are terrible.
4356 [22:04:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> so i've got a docker image of jessie.... i'm telling it to apt-get install libssl-dev...
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4358 [22:04:38] <c-c> greycat is so completely full of his own idea, it is not funny.
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4360 [22:04:45] <jmcnaught> c-c: it's true though, people shouldn't be using testing or unstable until they know the Debian tools fairly well (and are prepared to fix problems)
4361 [22:04:46] <c-c> greycat: stop trolling now
4362 [22:04:47] <NoImNotNineVolt> it tells me how much disk space will be used, then it says "Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Abort."
4363 [22:04:49] <TomTomTosch> let's move on.
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4365 [22:04:58] <NoImNotNineVolt> as in, it aborts instantly on its own. wtf.
4366 [22:05:03] * c-c has used debian since 2006 and I know exactly how this works.
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4369 [22:05:31] <jmcnaught> NoImNotNineVolt: can you show a transcript with the command and output in a paste?
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4371 [22:05:45] <c-c> jmcnaught: true. The aim is to install newer version of a software.
4372 [22:06:12] <TomTomTosch> !tell c-c about debian-next
4373 [22:06:23] <TomTomTosch> c-c testing support is over there ^
4374 [22:06:43] <c-c> I dont need testing support, TomTomTosch
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4376 [22:06:57] <jmcnaught> c-c: adding testing repos is not the way to do that, that'll just result in a hybrid stable-testing system. If the newer software isn't available in jessie-backports you could try backporting the package yourself (or just accept the stable version because that's how Debian works)
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4379 [22:07:24] <c-c> jmcnaught: yep, might have to, but thats totally not for "normal users"
4380 [22:07:25] <deego> Is it just me or is chromium super sluggish after today's (stable) upgrade?
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4383 [22:08:00] <jmcnaught> c-c: Debian sorta expects that users will get the most benefit out of stable packages
4384 [22:08:02] <NoImNotNineVolt> jmcnaught: replaced-url
4385 [22:08:24] <c-c> jmcnaught: as you probably guessed, the desired version is not in stable...
4386 [22:08:54] <jmcnaught> c-c: check in jessie-backports
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4388 [22:09:22] <NoImNotNineVolt> jmcnaught: you can see it never gets to FOO3. there is no keyboard input being provided. it just aborts.
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4390 [22:09:50] <jmcnaught> NoImNotNineVolt: oh it's a script running apt-get? you could add "-y"
4391 [22:10:07] <NoImNotNineVolt> jmcnaught: then why does the first package install? :P
4392 [22:10:29] * NoImNotNineVolt tries -y
4393 [22:10:43] <NoImNotNineVolt> that did the trick. now i feel stupid.
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4396 [22:10:56] <jmcnaught> NoImNotNineVolt: with apt-get it doesn't ask for confirmation if it only needs to install the packages listed on the command line. It *does* ask if it needs to install more than you asked for
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4400 [22:11:24] <NoImNotNineVolt> jmcnaught: today i learned. thanks.
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4404 [22:11:46] <TomTomTosch> installing with -y makes my palms go sweaty :S
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4406 [22:12:00] <NoImNotNineVolt> also, i'll just chime in that i consider greycat to be an ornery sob that is almost always right :P
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4409 [22:12:04] <jmcnaught> removing with -y is even worse
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4419 [22:14:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> yay, i have a deb!
4420 [22:15:04] <NoImNotNineVolt> thanks everyone. i got rusty at packaging :P
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4433 [22:20:17] <moozer> Is there a way to set up apt, so it uses an apt-proxy if it is available on the local network?
4434 [22:20:33] <moozer> I can hardcode it in apt.conf to use a proxy, but I want it dynamic
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4451 [22:26:32] <c-c> moozer: maybe you could use the transport layer for that behaviour...
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4457 [22:27:32] <moozer> c-c: as in tcp/udp?
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4472 [22:33:36] <jhutchins> moozer: You could wrap it in a shell that tests for the local proxy.
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4477 [22:35:03] <moozer> jhutchins: It would be fairly simple to make something that listens on a localhost port, and set that port to be the proxy
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4483 [22:35:56] <moozer> It just seems like a zeroconf/bonjour/avahi/whatever thing that someon would have implemented
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4487 [22:37:33] <dongcarl> Hey guys, say that I've installed a .deb file with gdebi (which installs its dependencies), what's the best command to remove that package along with its dependencies that aren't dependencies of other packages I've installed?
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4489 [22:38:13] <dongcarl> I read online that 'aptitude purge' would work, but the man page doesn't mention anything about dependencies
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4493 [22:39:24] <petn-randall> dongcarl: 'apt-get autoremove' will remove any automatically installed packages that aren't depended on anymore. Could be though that any installed packages are recommends/suggests of other packages, so you might end up not removing any other packages at all.
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4498 [22:41:00] <unborn> dongcarl: if that was not origin deb file you can do dpkg -l | grep programs-name or su apt-get remove programs-name
4499 [22:41:18] <dongcarl> petn-randall: Okay I see... there's no way to deterministically uninstall and get to the state before I installed the .deb file?
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4502 [22:41:59] <unborn> dpkg -l | grep firts-at-least-3letters will tell you complete name of the package you want to remove and then apt-get remove...
4503 [22:41:59] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep firts-at-least-3letters will tell you complete name of the package you want to remove and then apt-get remove...
4504 [22:42:06] <petn-randall> dongcarl: You can check the apt history what was installed to satisfy the package dependencies, and just remove that. There's a log in /var/log/apt/history.log
4505 [22:42:32] <unborn> wth?
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4507 [22:43:01] <dongcarl> Okay thanks for the help guys :-)
4508 [22:43:01] <unborn> ah bot.. I completely forgot its here.. sorry about that
4509 [22:43:21] <petn-randall> unborn: hahahaha :)
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4512 [22:44:00] <unborn> petn-randall: well .. one of those days you know :)
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4517 [22:46:33] <oussama> Hello I have disable all sites in site-enabled apache directory however apache is still server /var/replaced-url
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4519 [22:46:58] <unborn> oussama: then turn apache down
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4521 [22:47:18] <oussama> Yes
4522 [22:47:19] <ocb> hello
4523 [22:47:23] <greycat> /var/replaced-url
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4527 [22:48:45] <ocb> I have a question and need some help, setuping jessie but I am in a small dilema. I have a 500G HDD and a 16G SSD, the SSD I want to use for caching. Should I use something like dm-cache or bcache or should I put swap on SSD? What is the difference
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4531 [22:49:25] <unborn> ocb: perhaps install / on ssd and /home to normal hdd
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4534 [22:49:44] <unborn> using ssd for swap is waste of the disk
4535 [22:50:06] <jhutchins> ocb: It would suprise me if there weren't some writeups on setting up a caching SSD system on the web somewhere.
4536 [22:50:24] <unborn> unless you have less then 500 megs of ram
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4539 [22:50:53] <ocb> well, that means I sldn't use swap. I'll play with bcache or dm-cache
4540 [22:51:10] <unborn> ocb: I aint said you should not use swap heh
4541 [22:51:12] <ocb> shouldnt*
4542 [22:51:13] <oussama> greycat, I can't find any refrence for this behaviour in the documentation
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4545 [22:51:39] <ocb> well, that's why I am in dilema, I don't know what would be the best thing to do, I have 8G memory
4546 [22:51:41] <unborn> ocb: swap you only use if there is not enough ram.. aka temporary ram..
4547 [22:51:56] <teraflops> unborn: not really
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4549 [22:52:41] <greycat> oussama: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default.conf
4550 [22:52:47] <unborn> ocb: having / on ssd gives you nice fast system /home on normal hdd give you standard speed for accessing your files but longer life meh if you use one of those cheapest ssds I would defo do setup like this..
4551 [22:53:05] <teraflops> unborn: again not really
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4553 [22:53:16] <ocb> well it's a prebuiltin ssd in lenovo thinkpad w540
4554 [22:53:21] <unborn> teraflops: yeah.. I know...also when suspend the os everything is written to swap I guess..
4555 [22:53:35] <teraflops> /home in the ssd makes more sense since all dotfiles and .cache are there
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4557 [22:53:51] <unborn> teraflops: on 16gigs?
4558 [22:54:01] <teraflops> sure
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4560 [22:54:17] <teraflops> unborn: you mean /home?
4561 [22:54:22] <unborn> yeah
4562 [22:54:48] <unborn> hes got 500hdd and 16ssd
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4565 [22:55:01] <teraflops> hmm too small I guess
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4567 [22:55:09] <unborn> ocb: those are that micro ssds..
4568 [22:55:16] <ocb> yeah, it's prebuiltin
4569 [22:55:36] <teraflops> those are intended for caching I think
4570 [22:55:50] <ocb> exactly that was my question
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4573 [22:56:03] <oussama> greycat, this file does not exist on my system
4574 [22:56:07] <ocb> should I use swap and place it on ssd (you already answered) or should I play with bcache or dm-cache
4575 [22:56:14] <unborn> ocb: those are really nice and fast..
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4577 [22:56:33] <greycat> oussama: look in sites-available, then? It's the default file for the default config.
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4579 [22:56:40] <unborn> :D
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4582 [22:57:20] <ocb> I'll setup lvm and encrypt it, then later bcache probably I've read some articles about it, I hope it'll work on encrypted ssd or maybe i'll need to decrypt it
4583 [22:57:36] <ocb> will go play with it :)
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4586 [22:58:12] <SQL> having one heck of a time with NFS... Drive 1 is /... Drive 2 is /mnt/drive2 ... Drive 3 is /mnt/drive3 . I export 2 and 3 via NFS - and on another host, every time I mount 2 and 3 - both mount to 2. (etc on the remote machine, both drives 2 and 3 show the contents of drive 2). Driving me up the wall.
4587 [22:58:18] <teraflops> unborn: you mean one of those hybrid ssd-mechanical drives?
4588 [22:58:24] <oussama> greycat, I know but as the file is note in site-enabled it is not supposed to catch http resquets as far as I know actually the folder site-enables it empty in my server and the server still servers /var/replaced-url
4589 [22:58:42] <ocb> teraflops: says here liteonit lss-16l
4590 [22:58:50] <unborn> teraflops: ah no no.. sshds are a bit different..
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4592 [22:59:05] <unborn> but they are defo great
4593 [22:59:06] <teraflops> ah ok
4594 [22:59:31] <unborn> teraflops: my setup is 500ssd and 1tb sshd on every laptop
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4596 [22:59:49] <teraflops> oh looks pretty good
4597 [22:59:56] <ocb> I don't have money for 1 SSD, this is not my laptop. I would like that stuff too :)
4598 [23:00:04] <teraflops> ocb: I think you want bcache
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4600 [23:00:19] <ocb> bcache yeah, was thinking to put it
4601 [23:00:42] <ocb> that was the dilema, swap on ssd, bcache, dm-cache or / on ssd
4602 [23:00:59] <ocb> I'll end up with bcache, just hope everything will work with lvm and encrypted disks
4603 [23:01:10] <unborn> teraflops: yeah I use those utra durable ssd disks but you know.. just for case normal rotary sshd is still present in a case ssd will suddenly die
4604 [23:01:13] <ocb> it will
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4606 [23:01:19] <ocb> thank you unborn and teraflops
4607 [23:01:22] <unborn> i've seen it on those cheapest ones.
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4609 [23:01:45] <teraflops> ocb: there's a LVM cache thing too
4610 [23:02:02] <teraflops> ocb: np
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4612 [23:02:17] <unborn> ocb: SanDisk SDSSDHII480G (X31200RL) does not cost that much
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4615 [23:02:37] <unborn> I paid about 120 for it.. but that was like year ago.. it should be cheaper now
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4617 [23:02:57] <ocb> everything is much when you hardly have money to eat.
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4619 [23:03:10] <unborn> ocb: yeah that is true
4620 [23:03:11] <teraflops> unborn: oh I have a shitty laptop (work) I ended putting a ssd on it and moving the hdd to the dvd bay :P
4621 [23:03:27] <unborn> teraflops: exactly :)
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4624 [23:03:50] <unborn> teraflops: on all laptops in home I replaced dvd with hdd..
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4626 [23:03:54] <teraflops> those caddy thingies are a good idea
4627 [23:04:02] <unborn> yap
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4630 [23:04:20] <unborn> great for backup but also for extra space
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4635 [23:05:09] <unborn> got few external dvd mechanics as you can buy for few quits dvd bay for internal laptops dvd mechanic :)
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4639 [23:06:32] <unborn> ocb: this is the one I use.. (knocking on wood) it did not failed me so far.. replaced-url
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4642 [23:07:20] <ocb> thanks, I'll bookmark that one :)
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4649 [23:09:11] <ocb> I will see when I will have some money, seen on ebay but enver bought there, don't know how safe iti s
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4655 [23:10:38] <unborn> ocb: shop would be best.. ive seen people getting fakes.. I mean I am not saying its all fake but, just disks should be purchased somewhere else then on ebay
4656 [23:11:02] <unborn> ocb: also make sure its not second hand if you considering ssd..
4657 [23:11:10] <jmcnaught> oussama: did you reload or restart apache after removing all the files from sites-enabled?
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4659 [23:12:05] <unborn> jmcnaught: I think the chaps having apache loaded with system each reboot.. I think if he wants it off, he need to remove apache or disable on startup..
4660 [23:12:20] <ocb> unborn: here in shop, they're still too much expensive. :) Need to setup the laptop, enjoy the day and thanks for help.
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4662 [23:12:23] <unborn> ...there is not much other to be said I guess.
4663 [23:12:41] <unborn> ocb: enjoy your new laptop :)
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4665 [23:13:03] <ocb> not mine laptop, got it for using for a while on work :)
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4667 [23:13:40] <unborn> ocb: that doesnt really matter, just enjoy of debian I would say
4668 [23:13:44] <unborn> :)
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4670 [23:13:54] <ocb> true will do :)
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4748 [23:48:33] <andril> running 8.4 where do we go from here?
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4756 [23:50:32] <jmcnaught> andril: now simply enjoy using your computer?
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4758 [23:50:42] <crash_> :)
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4762 [23:51:28] <andril> jmcnaught, i already am just looking towards the future of Debian that's all :)
4763 [23:51:40] <cluelessperson> Hi all, what's the easiest way to add a preseed to a debian install iso?
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4766 [23:51:53] <ataldis> andril: now you set gnome desktop to display date and you're good to go. :)
4767 [23:51:59] <ataldis> $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface clock-show-date true
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4769 [23:52:05] <markybob> andril: standby for spring 2017
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4772 [23:53:37] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: the install manual has a section on this, loading it from a server: replaced-url
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4776 [23:54:14] <stakewinner00> Hi,
4777 [23:54:37] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: there's also this technique you could try that seems a little more of a kludge: replaced-url
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4779 [23:54:54] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I'm asking how to remaster an iso
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4781 [23:55:11] <andril> ataldis, replaced-url
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4787 [23:56:30] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: you'll probably need to adapt the stuff in the above wiki link for jessie. there might also be a better guide. you don't want to have the preseed file get loaded dynamically at run time?
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4789 [23:56:54] <unborn> markybob: spring 2017 is it when>?
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4794 [23:58:21] <markybob> unborn: replaced-url
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4796 [23:58:48] <andril> markybob, 2017...
4797 [23:59:16] <markybob> andril: correct
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4799 [23:59:31] <andril> damn so many changes till then
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4801 [23:59:44] <unborn> markybob: thanks, I mean I am currently very happy with current one, just.. you know its good to know :)
4802 [23:59:50] <edju> I have flash 11,2,202,616. I tried updating it to .621 using update-flashplugin-nonfree --install, but it didn't update. I then uninstalled it, purged it and re-installed. Still, I get .616. Tried to download from Adobe's site but the "Download Now" button is not a link - "javascript: void 0" or something like that. Any advice appreciated.
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