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4[00:02:36] <edm> dear gurus, i have a headless system running jessie. I can't get pulseaudio running as a service
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7[00:03:09] <edm> i can get it running from the command line as a daemon. anyone done this before?
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33[00:14:25] <ksx4system> how often does security team update Chromium package?
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51[00:21:47] <jmcnaught> ksx4system: replaced-url
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78[00:32:56] <ksx4system> jmcnaught: thank you
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91[00:36:37] <okee> jmcnaught> I am having trouble getting b blkid for the SSD. Any idea what is wrong? It isn't showing up.replaced-url
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105[00:41:16] <jmcnaught> okee: has the SSD been formatted at all?
106[00:41:30] <okee> jmcnaught> No.
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108[00:41:50] <okee> jmcnaught> I was just trying to create an entry in fstab.
109[00:42:09] <jmcnaught> okee: does it show with "lsblk" ?
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111[00:42:32] <okee> jmcnaught> yes
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113[00:43:02] <okee> jmcnaught> shows up as sdb 1.9T
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115[00:43:59] <jmcnaught> okee: cool. i still think you should do a backup to an external harddrive before you start moving stuff around
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117[00:44:28] <okee> jmcnaught> Things are already backed up, and I don't have an external hard drive.
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119[00:44:45] <markybob> then unplug the other drive
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124[00:45:09] <okee> So how do I format sdb?
125[00:45:24] <markybob> the installer will do it for you
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127[00:45:54] <okee> markybob> Don't have an installer, so what now? The only installer is for windows.
128[00:45:59] <markybob> i feel like i missed something. i did just wake up from a nap but i remember our previous discussion
129[00:46:14] <okee> markybob> Windows stole your childhood.
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132[00:47:04] <markybob> yeah i obviously missed something. i thought you were trying to get rid of windows last we talked. i'll let jmcnaught handle this :P
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135[00:48:34] <jmcnaught> okee: you could use fdisk to make a partition on the SSD, and then mkfs to format the partition. or maybe use gnome disks utility if you prefer a GUI
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137[00:49:21] <okee> jmcnaught> Is the fdisk done at the command line, within the current Debian system?
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139[00:49:57] <jmcnaught> okee: sure, or from a live disk if you have a reason.
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148[00:54:35] <okee> What is a GPT partition table? And how is that different than the 'n' option?
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152[00:56:31] <okee> jmcnaught> Should I use the default of 2048 for the first sector?
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172[01:03:52] <jmcnaught> okee: replaced-url
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175[01:05:11] <jmcnaught> okee: presumably the defaults presented by fdisk are sane, it's not something i use very often though
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178[01:06:08] <okee> jmcnaught> The problem I have is figuring out what to use as the last sector. I want multiple partitions, so the last sector is probably not appropriate: replaced-url
179[01:06:37] <okee> jmcnaught> Ignore the URL. I meant to paste the last sector of 4000797326
180[01:07:44] <jmcnaught> okee: doesn't fdisk let you use unit suffixes like 100G for 100 GB?
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182[01:08:23] <okee> jmcnaught> No, you have to set your first and last sector, and I have no idea how those equate to storage.
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190[01:12:24] <jmcnaught> okee: when fdisk asks for last sector it says you can use +size{K,M,G,T,P}
191[01:12:45] <jmcnaught> okee: so you can put +100G for a 100 GB partition. or use something else like gparted
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205[01:20:15] <cluelessperson> Okay, I'm trying cinnamon, but I get the error, that it's running in "software rendering mode"
206[01:20:23] <cluelessperson> can someone help me figure out why?
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215[01:22:35] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: what kind of graphics card do you have?
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237[01:30:18] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, intel integrated. Intel HD 5500
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243[01:31:53] <okee> What's a good way to show the size of other drives at the command line? By other drives I mean "not Debian".
244[01:32:41] <afernandez_> Not debian drives?
245[01:32:49] <afernandez_> what are debian drives?
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247[01:34:00] <tatiana> df -h ?
248[01:34:05] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: are you getting errors in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? There's an updated xserver-xorg-video-intel package in jessie-backports that might help (backports kernel might help too)
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253[01:36:46] <awwal> cluelessperson, do you choose explicitly rendering mode within your DM?
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258[01:37:37] <cluelessperson> awwal, no
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260[01:37:37] <afernandez_> okee: sudo /sbin/fdisk -l |grep Disk|awk '{print $2, $3}'|egrep -v 'identifier|type'
261[01:37:48] <awwal> I dont have cinnamon right now but I remember it have 2 entries cinnamon/cinnamon rendering mode in DM list
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263[01:38:48] <awwal> seems that it happens when the gpu doesn't have hardware acceleration capabilities, cluelessperson
264[01:38:51] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, where's the jessie-backports source?
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268[01:41:35] <awwal> cluelessperson, what this command returns? Yes or Not? glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
269[01:41:44] <awwal> yes/no
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271[01:41:53] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: jessie-backports is on the regular mirror network, so you can copy one of your other sources and change "jessie" to "jessie-backports" for example. replaced-url
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274[01:42:58] <awwal> cluelessinfo, run this command glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
275[01:43:21] <awwal> if Yes, hardware acceleration is enabled there, in No not enabled
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277[01:43:54] <JamesHarris> anyone know much about network bonding? Im having some trouble getting my wifi card to associated while in bonding. The same wpa_supplicant.conf works without problems when not bonding
278[01:44:40] <JamesHarris> With wpa_client I can see there are pre-shared key auth errors but as the key didnt change works outside of bonding im guessing there is a mac problem?
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288[01:51:58] <okee> afernandez_> Thanks. How could I modify the command, so that it also shows the size of the partitions?
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291[01:52:43] <afernandez_> fdisk -l
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294[01:53:07] <afernandez_> sudo /sbin/fdisk -l will show you a lot of things okee
295[01:53:33] <varu-> has anyone ever booted deb with gpxe over http before? if so, how is it done? i'm assuming i need to build some sort of chain, but not sure what i'd need to include
296[01:53:51] <afernandez_> or lke tatiana said df -h or df -hT
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301[01:55:32] <BlenderPro> I chmod and chown a folder to have complete control of it 777 and my username and same username for group, that folder is empty but I can't even move it to the trash can as user why?
302[01:56:18] <okee> What does W95 Ext'd (LBA) mean?
303[01:56:29] <okee> Supposedly this is a file type.
304[01:57:05] <nkuttler> BlenderPro: ls -ld <dir> ?
305[01:58:03] <BlenderPro> nkuttler, let me see
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308[01:58:57] <okee> Do I need to bother with swap partitions on the SSD? I only have one big SSD, and a bunch of smaller drives that I am copying on to the SSD, in different partitions.
309[01:58:58] <BlenderPro> nkuttler, you want me to copy that here?
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311[01:59:25] <nkuttler> BlenderPro: one line is fine, sure
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315[02:00:06] <usuariovirtual> I'll past it with this nick
316[02:00:11] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, awwal it's enabled
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318[02:00:14] <teraflops> haha
319[02:00:31] <usuariovirtual> drwxrwxrwx 2 usuariovirtual usuariovirtual 4096 May 28 15:19 documentos/
320[02:00:33] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I added jessie-backports but I nothing wanted to upgrade, so I'm not sure how to fix this
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324[02:01:04] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: see the instructions for backports again. you need to install specific packages from it
325[02:01:24] <usuariovirtual> this me blenderpro to whoever sent me that message
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330[02:01:45] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: if other desktops or applications are able to use the direct rendering, it could be a cinnamon bug. which release of debian are you using?
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333[02:01:57] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I don't understand why I'm supposed to install something from backports myself. It's intel HD 5500, these are one of the most common ever
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335[02:02:08] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I had the same problem with gnome
336[02:02:17] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: I pasted it the text
337[02:02:19] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: and when you rmdir documentos ?
338[02:02:33] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: I do rm -rf
339[02:02:38] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell cluelessperson about bdo
340[02:02:40] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: or that
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342[02:02:49] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: but can't do it from gui either
343[02:03:02] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: please paste.debian.net command + output
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345[02:03:04] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: I do it from terminal as this same user
346[02:03:09] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: see the note from dpkg, and also the instructions on the backports site. The package I mentioned earlier was xserver-xorg-video-intel but a newer kernel may also help
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348[02:03:27] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: and also touch foo please
349[02:03:43] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: sorry what is foo
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351[02:03:50] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: literally foo
352[02:03:56] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, ah, thanks
353[02:03:58] <afernandez_> ha ha ha
354[02:04:03] <afernandez_> sorry I had to laugh
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356[02:04:39] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, xserver-xorg-video-intel already installed and newest version
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359[02:06:53] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: replaced-url
360[02:07:34] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: well, you don't have permission to write to the parent directory
361[02:07:45] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: that's true
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363[02:07:48] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: please make a paste with the command used and the output, the command you just tried and "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel"
364[02:07:51] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: it's owned by root
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366[02:08:49] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: k I'll chown it
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368[02:09:05] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: how did you see?
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371[02:10:02] <jon777> the diddler
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375[02:11:07] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: you couldn't write to it
376[02:11:10] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: see man touch
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388[02:20:56] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, hastebin.com/ujaqayocex
389[02:21:25] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
390[02:22:16] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, sorry, it's, replaced-url
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404[02:26:36] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: the paste displays nothing for me
405[02:27:07] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, this one is correct. replaced-url
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408[02:27:32] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: no that pastebin is broken for me because it requires javascript, please use replaced-url
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413[02:29:13] <rabies> hello peoples
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416[02:31:06] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, raw, no javascript, replaced-url
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418[02:32:29] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: are you using "-t jessie-backports" when you install the package? replaced-url
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427[02:37:16] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I just did, and it installed
428[02:37:27] <cluelessperson> restarted, and graphical glitches whenever it's used
429[02:37:30] <cluelessperson> :/
430[02:37:36] <cluelessperson> I'm trying not to go back to linux mint
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432[02:38:13] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: as i said a newer kernel from backports may also help
433[02:39:13] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: or if the only problem you had as that cinnamon says it's using software rendering but otherwise it performs fine, you could go back to the older package
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435[02:40:17] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I don't really understand all that's going on. Basically, all of these features worked fine in linux mint, no issues with chrome, vlc, or whatever
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438[02:41:15] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: i don't know what version of the intel gpu drivers mint comes with. I know there's a newer version of the intel video drivers in backports for people who have issues on newer cards (that's what you installed)
439[02:41:31] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: you could also try a newer kernel following dpkg's <bdo kernel> factoid
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442[02:42:06] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: all i know about your problem is that cinnamon says it's using software rendering, but glxinfo reports direct rendering
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449[02:49:01] <varu-> succeeded booting via gpxe http
450[02:49:46] <varu-> just need to load the kernel (linux) and initrd.gz from the pxe debian-installer with the 'kernel' and 'initrd' parameters in gpxe (after getting network going)
451[02:49:54] <varu-> then hit boot and it's a wonderful weekend
452[02:50:37] <okee> What tools do we have for labeling a partition after the partition is created?
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460[02:58:19] <awwal> cluelessperson, if you try a newer kernel and your issue persists so seems that your issue is cinnamon DE related. check if there is #debian-cinnamon specific, or you may just want to try another DE (xfce, lxde, kde or mate)...
461[02:58:28] <okee> Can someone tell me how to fix the following error message replaced-url
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465[02:59:12] <jmcnaught> okee: is /dev/sdb1 an ext4 filesystem?
466[02:59:32] <okee> jmcnaught> I made it an ext4 in the fstab
467[03:00:45] <okee> jmcnaught> This is my fstab replaced-url
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471[03:02:13] <jmcnaught> okee: putting it in /etc/fstab does not format it. You need to use mkfs.ext4
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477[03:03:53] <awwal> cluelessperson, also does GDM3 offers you a login to cinnamon in normal mode or just software rendering? you may have chosen rendering mode as default x session (?)
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487[03:09:12] <okee> jmcnaught> What size do I put for the file system?
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493[03:11:02] <jmcnaught> okee: you only need to put a size with mkfs if you don't want to fill the device you're formatting
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549[03:51:32] <ryouma> what is group shadow for? slock seems to be setgid it, and i wonder if that is why i am not able to kill it as a normal user
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551[03:52:03] <ryouma> (i call slock at specific times, and want to kill previous instances before i call it)
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558[03:56:11] <okee> Is there any benefit in creating 2 swap partitions on the new SSD? replaced-url
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565[03:57:52] <NotJimCarrey> i have a NAS formatted ext4 connected via iscsi. the problem is that I keep getting inode errors. should I be using a different filesystem?
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567[03:58:19] <Arcanos> OK, I have an issue. I have 2 Drives in my system, an SSD @ 250GB and a 5200RPM HDD @ 300 GB, What is the best way to partition this system?
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572[04:00:56] <ryouma> root, swap, and home should be fast. if you have videos, they can be slow.
573[04:01:56] <Arcanos> I dont have any videos its all youtube
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575[04:03:28] <ryouma> i don't know if there is value in having home on a separate spindle or not. probably not.
576[04:03:40] <ryouma> (guessing)
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579[04:06:00] <okee> How do I make sdb3 a swap partition? replaced-url
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583[04:08:13] <avis-> how do i inform debian i want mls security selinux on jessie ?
584[04:08:28] <avis-> i can't make heads or tails over official documentation for this issue
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586[04:10:08] <polyzen> ryouma, I've found that not to be the case. firefox, steam, and such use home a fair amount. moved home and var to my hdd to spare my ssd, but it's not worth it
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588[04:11:24] <ryouma> polyzen: ah, so my guess was right
589[04:15:22] <polyzen> NotJimCarrey, ext4 should be as stable as any other..
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601[04:20:15] <MaBunny> okee are you in the installation window???
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603[04:20:35] <okee> MaBunny> I am at the command line.
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605[04:21:02] <MaBunny> theres a command for making a partition swap
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607[04:21:07] <MaBunny> i dont remember it
608[04:21:09] <MaBunny> wait
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613[04:23:06] <polyzen> mkswap
614[04:23:13] <polyzen> _moogs
615[04:23:16] <polyzen> MaBunny
616[04:23:20] <polyzen> sorry _learningpapa_
617[04:23:26] <polyzen> *facepalm*
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619[04:23:40] <MaBunny> yeah thts it
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621[04:24:00] <MaBunny> i had never used it though...so didnt remember always
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623[04:24:06] * polyzen has no swap
624[04:24:08] <MaBunny> okee man is your man now
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629[04:27:26] <MaBunny> and okee having one larger swap is better than having 2 smaller swaps
630[04:27:49] <MaBunny> you might even take up the ram in case of tht
631[04:28:50] <okee> MaBunny> The SSD is 2 TB, and large enough to backup all other drives on the computer. There are already two other swaps on the computer, and I am wondering whether I still need one on the SSD? The SSD is replacing a failed Debian drive that needs to come out right away.
632[04:29:40] <MaBunny> im not the expert...but if you hav two swaps already...then you dont need one in the ssd maybe
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647[04:39:02] <avis-> how do i inform debian i want mls security selinux on jessie ?
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649[04:41:18] <jmcnaught> avis-: replaced-url
650[04:41:27] <avis-> i can't make heads or tails over official documentation for this issue
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652[04:42:48] <avis-> on how to accomplish the mls side
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656[04:44:32] <jmcnaught> avis-: yeah i find selinux difficult too. you might find apparmor easier, not sure if it does teh MLS stuff you're looking for
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658[04:44:50] <avis-> thanks friend
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661[04:45:45] <okee> ok. I have a file system. Can I now rsync the drives?
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667[04:47:50] <MaBunny> hey guys is there a good C++ compiler for debian...except Codeblocks and KDEDevelop??/
668[04:48:05] <MaBunny> one tht has plugins like git and cppcheck
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680[04:52:17] <okee> Does anyone know what is going on with my hard drive? I got an error message indicating skipping non-regular files "sdd1" replaced-url
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682[04:52:36] <okee> I am trying to copy the drive to the new SSD with rsync
683[04:53:26] <RoyK> do you have a backupppp?
684[04:53:32] <markybob> okee: yeah. that's not how you use rsync. you use folders, not drives
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686[04:53:52] <RoyK> SMART sthff w
687[04:53:57] <markybob> okee: we've talked about this okay. c'mon. you should have been able to google rsync by now.
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689[04:54:30] <markybob> okee: rsync -aP /folder/foo /dest/foo
690[04:54:38] <markybob> not drives
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692[04:55:19] <okee> markybob> Wouldn't I be better off cloning just the Debian drive, and leave the other drives to copying data?
693[04:55:43] <avis-> just though a little tinkerin' i was able to find the mls and enforcing reference for mls. its proof it pays to get a diploma :D i have one. its high school. they gave me the easy test.
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696[04:56:00] <markybob> okee: wow. that's what i suggested in the first place with clonezilla. then you changed your mind.
697[04:56:10] <markybob> okee: are you just fucking with us? all day?
698[04:56:23] <tiznotbutter> Hes confused
699[04:56:41] <tiznotbutter> I think he thinks he is going to copy the whole disk
700[04:56:44] <polyzen> lol
701[04:57:03] <markybob> okee: this is getting to the point where i'm angry because i think you are.
702[04:57:13] <cluelessperson> Is there a way to restart linux without having to re-enter encyrption key to decrypt the partition?
703[04:57:21] <cluelessperson> just restart linux without restarting the hardware?
704[04:57:32] <polyzen> cluelessperson, kexec, I hear
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707[04:58:17] <cluelessperson> Another question, I installed cinnamon desktop with --no-install-recommends
708[04:58:25] <cluelessperson> however now it won't start automatically at boot
709[04:58:25] <okee> markybob> Earlier someone thought that creating a separate file system might be helpful, so I had feedback on here that was both ways. I could see where the separate file system would be helpful for the windows drive that I am not keeping, but probably not the linux one.
710[04:58:27] <cluelessperson> why not?
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712[04:58:43] <cluelessperson> I just don't want to install all the other bullshit apps that people include with their desktop managers.
713[04:59:02] <tiznotbutter> okee: yu ahud drop it
714[04:59:39] <okee> tiznotbutter> Can read what you typed.
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717[05:00:05] <okee> meant to say can't read what you typed.
718[05:00:13] <tiznotbutter> Idk
719[05:00:23] <tiznotbutter> Dun worry not important
720[05:00:29] <markybob> okee: you can't read what we type. seriously. a lot of smart people have tried to help you. we solved your problem several hours ago
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724[05:00:49] <markybob> i even took a nap and we're still talking about this
725[05:00:50] <tiznotbutter> Haha
726[05:01:03] <tiznotbutter> Double haha
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730[05:02:17] <polyzen> lol
731[05:03:21] <polyzen> cluelessperson, I use startx after I login, so I have `exec $wm` in my .xinitrc
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735[05:05:38] <tiznotbutter> cluelessperson: are you talking about whole disk encrption?
736[05:06:43] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: probably what you're missing is a display manager likd gdm3 or lightdm. recommends are recommended though
737[05:07:37] <polyzen> actually no "exec"
738[05:07:44] <sje46> I remember a command-line curses dm I used once
739[05:07:56] <polyzen> replaced-url
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742[05:10:14] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, Is there a way to install required, needed packages, but not the BS recommend apps?
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744[05:11:26] <cluelessperson> What's the default desktop manager used by debian?
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746[05:12:24] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: you can read about the difference between depends, recommends, and suggests here: replaced-url
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748[05:13:10] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: if you'd rather not get all of the recommends, you can manually look at the recommends for the packages you want to install, and choose which ones to install
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754[05:19:13] <tiznotbutter> cluelessperson: jmcnaught literally had the exact answer you need
755[05:19:44] <tiznotbutter> Go thru the recomend depend list and see what the packages are
756[05:20:11] <cluelessperson> okay
757[05:20:16] <tiznotbutter> Theres no switch for make-it-work
758[05:20:25] <cluelessperson> anyone know how to kill the desktop environment back to terminal?
759[05:20:28] <tiznotbutter> The recommends arent usually bloat
760[05:20:44] <tiznotbutter> If it is you should prolly abandon the package all togeather
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762[05:21:17] <cluelessperson> tiznotbutter, ALL the desktop environments have this bloat
763[05:21:21] <cluelessperson> gnome is terrible
764[05:21:51] <jmcnaught> are you worried about storage space, or menu clutter?
765[05:22:13] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, storage, unknown code running on my system, bloated menus, things I don't need
766[05:22:14] <km0201> yeah, it's pretty bad... kinda sad.. i used to lvoe gnome .2.x... not a huge fan of mate, as it constantly freezes
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768[05:23:21] <jmcnaught> i've never installed gnome but haven't had any problems with the task-gnome-desktop's set of recommends. In Debian that almost always means "stuff most people would want"
769[05:24:06] <jmcnaught> errr i mean i've never install cinnamon...
770[05:24:23] <tiznotbutter> Just stop using gui
771[05:24:31] <tiznotbutter> Its so annoying
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773[05:25:02] <MaBunny> tiznobutter do you code in cli???
774[05:25:14] <markybob> i do
775[05:25:17] <cluelessperson> tiznotbutter, so how do I run chrome?
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777[05:26:03] <MaBunny> no...in a computer without any gui system...has anyone coded in tht kinda computer
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779[05:26:27] <tiznotbutter> Lolll that was super sarcasm
780[05:26:27] <markybob> MaBunny: yes. i have. daily.
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782[05:26:45] <tiznotbutter> Damn markybob supa man
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784[05:27:22] <markybob> tiznotbutter: no i'm just old i guess. what i'm used to. teach old dogs new tricks and such
785[05:27:31] <MaBunny> ok...sarcasm,idk....and thts cool markybob
786[05:28:04] <tiznotbutter> cluelessperson: your worried about chrome?
787[05:28:04] <MaBunny> ill try doing so...but i guess ill need to get up and front with the command line
788[05:28:38] <sje46> command line is easy. just cd and ls, that's pretty much all it is
789[05:28:46] <tiznotbutter> markybob: old? As in you never use an ide?
790[05:28:57] <sje46> I've never used one.
791[05:29:12] <tiznotbutter> sje46: nope
792[05:29:21] <tiznotbutter> Hahah
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794[05:29:25] <sje46> What is the nope to?
795[05:29:26] <markybob> tiznotbutter: i have xfce on a laptop. but not for coding. vi
796[05:29:27] <cluelessperson> tiznotbutter, how do I start windows?
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798[05:30:03] <tiznotbutter> Xwindows?
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803[05:31:09] <tiznotbutter> markybob: xfce is preddy... And your one of them ol vi buffs huh
804[05:31:12] <cluelessperson> Okay, in all seriousness
805[05:31:19] <cluelessperson> I installed xorg, cinnamon
806[05:31:23] <cluelessperson> what's missing to get this started up?
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808[05:32:01] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: either a display manager, or logging into a tty and running startx
809[05:32:10] <markybob> cluelessperson: did you install task-cinnamon-desktop?
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811[05:32:52] <tiznotbutter> That was prolly part of the recommends he choose not to install
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813[05:33:43] <tiznotbutter> cluelessperson: i wasnt being sarcastic? I didnt know if you were serious
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819[05:34:34] <jarray521> For some reason, 'apt-get update' failed, and I was told to install apt-transport-https. After installing this package, 'apt-get update' worked. This was really strange since 'apt-get update' typically works out of the box. Any comments?
820[05:35:01] <tiznotbutter> Well then ^
821[05:35:17] <tiznotbutter> jarray521: thats not alot of info
822[05:35:30] <jmcnaught> jarray521: are you using a third-party repository that uses https? Debian repos do not.
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824[05:35:49] <markybob> kernel.org does/can
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826[05:36:21] <jmcnaught> okay, do not by default
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829[05:36:36] <jarray521> No, I'm not using a third party repo that uses https.
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831[05:37:29] <markybob> jarray521: the real question is do you have https in sources?
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833[05:37:58] <jmcnaught> jarray521: "grep -iR https /etc/apt" can help you find out
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835[05:38:25] <jmcnaught> jarray521: or is this a distro based on Debian?
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837[05:38:35] <cluelessperson> How do I end cinnamon?
838[05:39:05] <tiznotbutter> Lol
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840[05:39:40] <km0201> end it?
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842[05:39:48] <jarray521> jmcnaught: It appears that I have an https source. /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nodesource.list:deb replaced-url
843[05:40:00] <jarray521> jmcnaught: This is Debian jessie 8.4.0.
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845[05:40:19] <markybob> jarray521: not really. but there's your why
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847[05:40:29] <jarray521> jmcnaught: Thanks
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849[05:40:49] <tiznotbutter> That was a nice solve
850[05:40:53] <tiznotbutter> Quik
851[05:41:01] <jarray521> markybob: I understand the why. What do you mean by 'not really'?
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853[05:41:24] <markybob> jarray521: once you add third party things like that it's frankendebian. it's not 8.4
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856[05:41:36] <markybob> !tell jarray521 about frankendebian
857[05:41:47] <jarray521> I see
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861[05:42:35] <tiznotbutter> Lol story time
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866[05:43:15] <jmcnaught> jarray521: nodesource is a third-party repo, that's why i asked
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870[05:44:19] <jarray521> I see. It all makes sense now.
871[05:44:21] <jmcnaught> story time! replaced-url
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876[05:45:31] <tiznotbutter> I opened that page and immediatly read they r rude and dont answer our questions
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878[05:46:49] <markybob> i've been accused of that at least three times today
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880[05:47:07] <MaBunny> haha
881[05:47:41] <MaBunny> either tht or they are very impatient
882[05:47:47] <tiznotbutter> markybob: i like you
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884[05:48:08] <tiznotbutter> Usually very impatient
885[05:48:23] <markybob> tiznotbutter: :)
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887[05:49:05] <tiznotbutter> markybob: do you set a goal each day of how many people you can make feel MORE frustrated then when they started
888[05:49:20] <tiznotbutter> Cuz yu shud
889[05:49:29] <MaBunny> haha...thts funny
890[05:49:34] <markybob> tiznotbutter: of course not. i'm here because i honestly want to help people.
891[05:49:44] <Kenrin> What is with that story and changing diapers ?
892[05:50:15] <tiznotbutter> markybob: thats good too
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894[05:50:18] <markybob> tiznotbutter: plus every day if you just read what's going on you learn
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897[05:50:54] <dak> blah
898[05:51:16] <tiznotbutter> markybob: that is 100% correct
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900[05:51:32] <tiznotbutter> I didnt know what cinnamon was till someone had a problem with it
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902[05:52:05] <tiznotbutter> Im sure its A cuz its trash or B because the person operating it isnt handling correctly
903[05:52:27] <tiznotbutter> Im not up on the latest gui nonsence
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905[05:53:08] <MaBunny> anything in linux cant be trash
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907[05:53:20] <MaBunny> everythings cool
908[05:53:33] <MaBunny> or maybe wrong english :P
909[05:53:37] <tiznotbutter> MaBunny: you might be very correct..
910[05:53:48] <tiznotbutter> So its B the user
911[05:54:06] <MaBunny> yeah thts prob the reason
912[05:54:24] <tiznotbutter> But all the gui 's are competing to be the prettiest bow
913[05:54:25] <tiznotbutter> Now
914[05:54:31] <tiznotbutter> And its yawn
915[05:54:49] <MaBunny> i like gnome though
916[05:54:50] <tiznotbutter> Ill be back latr
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918[05:54:56] <tiznotbutter> Me tooo
919[05:55:00] <tiznotbutter> Its so simple
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921[05:55:06] <tiznotbutter> Pz guys
922[05:55:14] <tiznotbutter> Pz markybob
923[05:55:18] <tiznotbutter> Be east
924[05:55:20] <km0201> man, w/ all the GUI's out there, surely you can find something that meets your needs
925[05:55:20] <tiznotbutter> Easy
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927[05:55:45] <MaBunny> enlightment is another good n lightweight gui
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929[05:55:52] <MaBunny> esp e17
930[05:56:01] <km0201> MaBunny, i never cared for it much, but it's certainly got a small footprint
931[05:56:01] <MaBunny> not the e19
932[05:56:09] <MaBunny> yeah
933[05:56:27] <MaBunny> i had tried e19,and it crashed every couple of mins
934[05:56:31] <km0201> i've kinda gotten attached to XFCE the last year or so... but it's become quite the pig compared to how it was even 3-4yrs ago
935[05:56:42] <MaBunny> e17 is good though,i heard
936[05:57:06] <markybob> let's get back on topic
937[05:57:33] <MaBunny> haha
938[05:57:53] <km0201> i might have a question in a few minutes.
939[05:57:58] <km0201> having a helluva time w/ seafile on my server
940[05:58:04] <km0201> it runs fine as root but i can't get it to run as a user.
941[05:58:25] <km0201> i'm not particularly fond of running services as root
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949[06:00:03] <cluelessperson> what desktop manager is the default one?
950[06:00:09] <cluelessperson> gdm ? lightdm ?
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953[06:00:48] <markybob> cluelessperson: gdm for gnome. lightdm for xfce. so it depends.
954[06:01:05] <cluelessperson> for cinnamon?
955[06:01:06] <km0201> i thought it was lightdm across the board
956[06:01:10] <km0201> but my quick google foo says otherwise
957[06:01:12] <markybob> of course kde has kdm.
958[06:01:19] <markybob> cluelessperson: gdm
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960[06:01:21] <km0201> well yeah
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981[06:12:50] <vahe1> hi all :) how to install the latest version firefox?
982[06:13:09] <markybob> vahe1: go to mozilla.debian.net
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986[06:13:48] <Oldcpv3> Hey
987[06:13:59] <Oldcpv3> Uhh i got this Windows FTP sever....
988[06:14:01] <Oldcpv3> server*
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990[06:14:21] <MaBunny> kill it
991[06:14:23] <Oldcpv3> It kinda sucks since it runs on ports 15000-16000, and it gotta restart all the time
992[06:14:38] <Oldcpv3> What Linux OS should i use?
993[06:14:42] <markybob> you never know the port? it changes?
994[06:14:42] <MaBunny> smash the pc
995[06:14:57] <Oldcpv3> the other ports are blocked...
996[06:14:58] <markybob> of course we're going to say debian linux
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998[06:15:10] <Oldcpv3> rlly, port 21 doesn`t work
999[06:15:25] <MaBunny> try cli,instead of any gui
1000[06:15:27] <Oldcpv3> called ISP and they said that they doesn`t block it
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1002[06:15:37] <Oldcpv3> cli? the hell is that
1003[06:15:39] <markybob> port 21 shouldn't work
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1005[06:15:40] <MaBunny> and then all the distro arre same
1006[06:15:46] <markybob> port 22 should
1007[06:16:01] <Oldcpv3> SFTP doesn`t work either, i tested
1008[06:16:13] <Oldcpv3> and even, my server doesn`t not work now, idk why
1009[06:16:14] <markybob> the hell is cli? for real?
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1011[06:16:29] <Oldcpv3> Oh well, i just used windoze in life
1012[06:16:31] <Oldcpv3> heard of linux
1013[06:16:34] <MaBunny> command line interface
1014[06:16:44] <vahe1> markybob: thanks :) W: GPG error:
1015[06:16:44] <Oldcpv3> thats cmd
1016[06:17:11] <aedinius> i can't even use windows without a working cmd/powershell
1017[06:17:26] <markybob> vahe1: because you didn't read the whole page. it tells you about installing the key
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1020[06:17:58] <Oldcpv3> why debian has 3 DVDs oh god
1021[06:18:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1609
1022[06:18:05] <vahe1> ok ok markybob fix ! thanks :D
1023[06:18:10] <aedinius> Oldcpv3: real men use netinst
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1025[06:18:28] <Oldcpv3> nah, i`ll just burn them into my dvds
1026[06:18:34] <markybob> Oldcpv3: netinst is about 250mb. put it on a usb
1027[06:18:47] <Oldcpv3> and that netinst should suck, if u install a OS without any drivers you can`t even connect to the internet
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1029[06:19:04] <markybob> Oldcpv3: you're so wrong
1030[06:19:12] <Oldcpv3> windows 7 did that, xp did that
1031[06:19:15] <aedinius> Oldcpv3: what?
1032[06:19:27] <aedinius> netinst has drivers
1033[06:19:38] <markybob> Oldcpv3: netinst with firmware included is a thing. replaced-url
1034[06:19:42] <aedinius> non-free netinst has even non-free drivers/firmware
1035[06:19:50] <aedinius> markybob++
1036[06:20:18] <Oldcpv3> ok, in 15 mins i should be set?
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1038[06:20:24] <Oldcpv3> i`m formatting my machine then
1039[06:20:38] <markybob> hopefully. hard to say with no hardware info
1040[06:21:05] <vahe1> markybob: I did everything right,but 46.0.1 version :( need 50
1041[06:21:17] <Oldcpv3> i think i should get the drivers first
1042[06:21:27] <Oldcpv3> or installing it on my NTFS or separate partition
1043[06:21:30] <Oldcpv3> then get the drivers
1044[06:21:34] <aedinius> vahe1: what
1045[06:21:34] <Oldcpv3> then getting rid of windows
1046[06:21:35] <awwal> How to prevent update-alternatives from setting a newly installed pkg as default for X task/feature if that X task/feature isn't set as default manually?
1047[06:21:44] <aedinius> vahe1: firefox 50 doesn't exist
1048[06:22:22] <aedinius> vahe1: 46.0.1 is the latest version of firefox, period
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1050[06:22:37] <markybob> Oldcpv3: you're making no sense. vahe1 nor are you
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1052[06:22:59] <awwal> Update-alternatives it self decides to set the newly installed pkg as default ot the new pkg requests update-alternatives to do that?
1053[06:23:28] <vahe1> ah ok thanks aedinius I completely changed the language on hy_AM but for some reason firefox has remained english
1054[06:23:49] <vahe1> how do I change?
1055[06:24:49] <vahe1> #locale
1056[06:24:49] <vahe1> LANG=hy_AM
1057[06:24:49] <vahe1> LANGUAGE=
1058[06:24:49] <vahe1> LC_CTYPE=hy_AM
1059[06:24:49] <vahe1> LC_NUMERIC=hy_AM
1060[06:24:50] <vahe1> LC_TIME=hy_AM
1061[06:24:50] <vahe1> LC_COLLATE=hy_AM
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1064[06:24:57] <aedinius> vahe1: did you set the language in firefox? preferences/content/languages
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1066[06:25:13] <aedinius> there's that, too.
1067[06:25:38] <markybob> it is sunday
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1069[06:25:48] <vahe1> ah sorry replaced-url
1070[06:26:03] <aedinius> vahe1: did you set the language in firefox? preferences/content/languages
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1074[06:27:41] <vahe1> aedinius: yes
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1076[06:27:57] <aedinius> That's all I got. Sorry =/
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1078[06:28:27] <vahe1> now hy_AM but the language is still English :D
1079[06:29:02] <vahe1> aedinius: thanks :)
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1083[06:29:36] <themill> is firefox-l10n-hy-am installed?
1084[06:29:42] <aedinius> vahe1: do you have firefox-esr-l10n-hy-am installed
1085[06:29:44] <ftawolf> evening
1086[06:29:56] <aedinius> or that one
1087[06:29:56] <vahe1> ah no cool
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1089[06:30:47] <vahe1> aedinius: yeeees! work
1090[06:30:59] <vahe1> aedinius: thanks~
1091[06:31:28] <aedinius> whooo
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1093[06:31:35] <aedinius> themill: why do we have different package names?
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1095[06:31:47] <aedinius> oh right release differences
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1097[06:32:05] <themill> jessie-backports vs sid/stretch
1098[06:32:23] <aedinius> right
1099[06:32:34] <Delf> Can't install "pepperflashplugin-nonfree" :( It says: ERROR: failed to retrieve status information from google… (first repeat)
1100[06:32:42] <MaBunny> themill why is codeblocks provided in the backports
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1102[06:33:00] <themill> MaBunny: why not?
1103[06:33:02] <MaBunny> they hav a 16.01 ver made in jan this year
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1105[06:33:25] <MaBunny> their ide is the best...codelite is too slow
1106[06:33:25] <cluelessperson> So I installed xorg, cinnamon
1107[06:33:30] <cluelessperson> but I can't get applciations to start
1108[06:33:33] <cluelessperson> what am I doing wrong?
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1110[06:34:07] <MaBunny> i hav to download their package as a tarball and install via gdebi :(
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1113[06:35:57] <aedinius> cluelessperson: I need more information than that.
1114[06:36:30] <markybob> !tell MaBunny about sns
1115[06:37:14] <MaBunny> i dont understand
1116[06:37:37] <cluelessperson> aedinius, I installed debian, then xorg, and cinnamon --no-install-recommends
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1118[06:37:52] <cluelessperson> aedinius, inside cinnamon, I'll try to start chrome, chromium, and no window opens
1119[06:38:06] <cluelessperson> nvm, it must not work as root
1120[06:38:15] <aedinius> don't run as root
1121[06:38:22] <markybob> cluelessperson: right. and you've failed to follow what everyone else has told you since
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1123[06:38:57] <MaBunny> actually...my question was why is codeblocks in the backports...as against jessie
1124[06:39:48] <markybob> MaBunny: because jessie froze quite a while ago. new stuff doesn't get added to stable. thus jessie-backports
1125[06:40:47] <MaBunny> jessie froze??? you mean no more new packages or new updates??
1126[06:41:20] <aedinius> replaced-url
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1128[06:41:39] <markybob> MaBunny: basically. only security and major bug fixes
1129[06:41:41] <aedinius> Not sure if that's the right page
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1131[06:42:03] <aedinius> every debian release is basically an "lts' release
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1187[07:40:22] <Sheraf> Hi
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1197[07:49:54] <vahe1> how to update mate to version 1.14? debian 8.4
1198[07:50:06] <vahe1> now 1.8.1
1199[07:52:00] <jmcnaught> vahe1: generally you don't. jessie will have the same version of mate and most other packages for it's whole life, that's how Debian works.
1200[07:52:33] <jmcnaught> the next version of Debian, Stretch or 9, will have a newer version of mate
1201[07:53:17] <aedinius> 1.12.1 is in testing righ tnow
1202[07:53:43] <vahe1> thanks
1203[07:53:43] <vahe1> it's good,but I do not think that there is no possibility to upgrade make
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1205[07:54:04] <vahe1> it's freesoftware :D
1206[07:54:32] <vahe1> 2016-04-08 15:00 MATE 1.14 released
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1208[07:55:15] <aedinius> do you really need the latest version?
1209[07:56:05] <vahe1> jmcnaught: thanks this question is for interest as I and 1.8 is enough :) just wondering
1210[07:56:42] <vahe1> aedinius: not really,just wondering
1211[07:56:45] <vahe1> :D
1212[07:57:26] <vahe1> I many time have not used debian, now explore
1213[07:57:27] <vahe1> :)
1214[07:58:34] <vahe1> thanks all :) aedinius jmcnaught
1215[07:59:04] <aedinius> o^\
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1234[08:20:22] <lxsameer> hey folks, what is the difference between docker.io package and the one from docker official debian repository ?
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1239[08:24:22] <jmcnaught> lxsameer: docker.io doesn't require using a third party repository, so is less likely to cause problems during major Debian release upgrades, but it will always lag behind the upstream version
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1241[08:25:31] <lxsameer> jmcnaught: hmmm I read in several places that docker official version removed static binary and old lxc-docker tools, what did debian do about it ? I'm on sid
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1243[08:28:16] <jmcnaught> lxsameer: i've only tried out docker (Debian and upstream packages) for a couple of days, I can't remember much. You can look for Debian specific stuff in /usr/share/doc/docker.io/
1244[08:28:55] <lxsameer> thanks
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1287[09:00:35] <r3m> ,v cfg2html
1288[09:00:36] <judd> No package named 'cfg2html' was found in amd64.
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1292[09:02:38] <tiznotbutter> Hellert
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1295[09:03:00] <mariok> Hello guys!
1296[09:03:51] <Crypto0> hello , im using vbox and i downloaded kali linux vbox image , when i start the machine its keep saying loading , please wait
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1298[09:04:19] <Crypto0> i wait 3 hour for it and its didnt fixed
1299[09:04:43] <tiznotbutter> Crypto0: throw the computer
1300[09:04:47] <tiznotbutter> Might help
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1302[09:05:43] <mariok> I've recently installed Debian GNU/Linux testing (stretch) and I want to connect ifupdown with shorewall.
1303[09:05:50] <Crypto0> computer = core i5 ram 3ghz ,4gb , 2gb graphic
1304[09:06:19] <mariok> a few years ago I tried to to the same thing with Debian GNU/Linux (jessie) and didn't find any script to to that.
1305[09:06:29] <mariok> Is there some supported way to do that nowadays?
1306[09:06:41] <mariok> s/to to/to do/
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1309[09:07:50] <mariok> in the past I "developed" my own unspported script to hack a "ifupdown shorewall integration" script that does exactly what I want to do.
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1311[09:08:14] <mariok> I'm looking for a supported way to do that. Is there any way to do that?
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1334[09:22:16] <Wulf> Is there a command to display all files inside a .deb package?
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1340[09:24:07] <Wulf> never mind, "dpkg-deb -c" does it
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1379[09:45:11] <bibek> hi everyone
1380[09:45:15] <bibek> hello
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1445[10:24:51] <bibek> how do i list all the monitors available
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1452[10:27:19] <Wulf> bibek: xrandr perhaps
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1457[10:30:18] <Pr0metheus> i want to move files from an ext4 to a ntfs drive and i get the following error: Error while copying file... Details: Error splicing file: Input/Output Error, any idea what could be wrong?
1458[10:30:46] <Wulf> Pr0metheus: what program did you use for this?
1459[10:30:57] <Pr0metheus> Files
1460[10:30:58] <Wulf> Pr0metheus: and it the error while reading from ext4 or writing ntfs?
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1464[10:31:07] <Pr0metheus> while writing to ntfs
1465[10:31:08] <Wulf> "Files" does not sound like a program
1466[10:31:29] <Pr0metheus> Gnome->Files (doesn't say anything else in about)
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1469[10:32:02] <Wulf> Pr0metheus: anything in the kernel log?
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1472[10:33:50] <Pr0metheus> one sec i pastebin, there must be something wrong with sata
1473[10:35:43] <x-fak> hi
1474[10:35:55] <Pr0metheus> Wulf: replaced-url
1475[10:36:46] <mariok> is there some nice shorewall integration into network available in Debian ?
1476[10:37:20] <mariok> I want to configure the firewall zone inside the networkmanager interface config and shorewall should recognize this config.
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1480[10:40:20] <Wulf> Pr0metheus: might be broken hard drive
1481[10:40:51] <bibek> ppphey, so i'm trying to setup vnc on debian install that doesn't have any monitor attached,
1482[10:41:01] <bibek> is there a guide/reference i can follow?
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1487[10:50:58] <antzero> is possible to assign an icon to executables?
1488[10:51:04] <antzero> I hate the placeholder/standard one
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1508[10:57:31] <SpeedyG> hey, i'm having this problem with gnome extensions site probably lost of people have had already, the on/off switch does not install the desired extention. both on chromium and iceweasel... can't find a working solution (yet) using google, any good pointers where to look ?
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1530[11:06:37] <uprct> Hi, Where I can find debian support channel ?
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1534[11:08:17] <han-solo> you're on one now
1535[11:08:19] <han-solo> :)
1536[11:08:34] <han-solo> <-----------see!
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1538[11:08:54] <han-solo> #debian <--------see!
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1541[11:10:02] <uprct> oooh yeah :D
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1548[11:11:56] <han-solo> so ask, someone will likely answer
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1554[11:13:19] <uprct> I'm from Bulgaria and our official mirror (ftp.bg.debian.org/debian/) doesn't work.
1555[11:13:38] <uprct> I just want to tell it to the support
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1569[11:18:45] <han-solo> uprct: replaced-url
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1571[11:19:05] <han-solo> maybe you'll find what you're looking for
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1575[11:21:46] <han-solo> for i in `users`;do whois $i;done
1576[11:21:52] <han-solo> damn
1577[11:22:29] <uprct> thanks
1578[11:23:15] <han-solo> sure. No problem
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1586[11:31:36] <bipul> han-solo, which mirror do you use?
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1588[11:31:55] <han-solo> why
1589[11:31:56] <han-solo> ?
1590[11:32:56] <antzero> I'm trying to setup Let's Encrypt on debian 8
1591[11:33:32] <antzero> Apt says I have unmet dependencies but they are not going to be installed
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1594[11:33:55] <antzero> I manually installed the python-acme package it was missing but it keeps giving the same error
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1600[11:36:53] <nkuttler> !tell antzero about errors
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1603[11:38:17] <han-solo> bipul: I've like 11 of them
1604[11:38:51] <antzero> > Apt says I have unmet dependencies but they are not going to be installed
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1606[11:38:56] <han-solo> no, just 3 now
1607[11:39:18] <antzero> Depends: python-acme (>= 0.5.0) but it is not going to be installed
1608[11:39:22] <nkuttler> antzero: please paste command + entire output
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1610[11:39:31] <nkuttler> antzero: on paste.debian.net
1611[11:39:32] <antzero> But I just installed python-acme 0.6.0
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1613[11:39:56] <dTal> that error message "is not going to be installed" is so bogus
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1615[11:40:20] <antzero> That's all I have
1616[11:40:23] <dTal> it accounts for like, 95% of the times I want to throw Debian out the window
1617[11:40:53] <dTal> I always end up fixing it my messing around with apt until its knickers untwist
1618[11:41:01] <dTal> still don't know what it *actually* means
1619[11:41:10] <antzero> I just followed the instructions from letsencrypt
1620[11:41:17] <nkuttler> dTal: usually it means that you mixed sources, or hold packages, or somesuch
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1623[11:41:42] <dTal> yeah but what does it *actually* mean
1624[11:41:47] <antzero> Added backports as source and tried running apt-get install python-letsencrypt-apache -t jessie-backports
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1626[11:41:57] <x-fak> is there any apache guru out there? I've installed apache on my Jessie server and i was wondering which module in the active module is responsible of the access.log logging: paste.debian.net/712179/
1627[11:42:01] <nkuttler> dTal: you can't install a package because dependencies aren't available
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1630[11:42:47] <dTal> if that is indeed the case I motion to change that message to "required dependencies are not available"
1631[11:43:02] <nkuttler> antzero: sounds like backports are broken
1632[11:43:15] <antzero> Okay so what I should/can do?
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1634[11:43:27] <nkuttler> antzero: i use the git source from letsencrypt, works fine
1635[11:43:30] <antzero> I tried to manually install the dependency and it worked but apt keeps not "seeing" the change
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1637[11:43:42] <antzero> Ok will try, thanks
1638[11:43:59] <nkuttler> antzero: i use a virtualenv though, not sure if stable has all required deps
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1640[11:45:18] <dTal> antzero: for python packages I use stdeb rather than backports, works great
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1642[11:46:30] <dTal> only downside is the generated .debs often aren't aware of their actual dependencies - but hey, you can install those
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1644[11:48:15] <antzero> Okay, I'm trying to manually compiling from the git source for now
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1646[11:48:28] <antzero> But annotating what you said, could come handy in the future
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1649[11:49:21] <nkuttler> there shouldn't be anything to compile, it's just script
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1652[11:50:17] <antzero> perfect, all worked and the apache-plugin did all the job
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1715[12:28:19] <x-fak> what's the proper way to restart apache with Debian 8.4 (jessie)?
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1719[12:31:18] <han-solo> /etc/init.d/apache2 restart?
1720[12:31:27] <han-solo> or you could use systemctl, i guess
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1725[12:32:40] <han-solo> i don't know if you can use systemctl to do that
1726[12:32:47] <han-solo> it's systemd
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1731[12:40:03] <posix> hi
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1734[12:40:38] <posix> good morning
1735[12:40:44] <x-fak> han-solo , if i restart apache, will i lose my log file contents?
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1744[12:46:09] <antzero> x-fak: afaik you don't
1745[12:47:58] <npo> x-fak: service apache restart
1746[12:48:04] <npo> x-fak: and no, you wont lose your log files if you restart
1747[12:48:18] <npo> x-fak: at least you shouldn't, because you don't with any other service
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1753[12:52:17] <x-fak> antzero npo , ok ty, i ask that because i've change my timezone with the command timedatectl and my apache logs date was not updated without restarting the service
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1756[12:55:37] <x-fak> the proper way to restart it i think is: service apache2 restart
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1760[12:56:00] <x-fak> and i think it's same than systemctl restart apache2.service
1761[12:56:15] <npo> x-fak: yeah, maybe there's a 2 after apache
1762[12:56:20] <teraflops> not really since there's no apache unit in debian stable
1763[12:56:25] <npo> x-fak: i dont use apache so i dont know specifically :P
1764[12:56:35] <teraflops> systemd unit*
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1766[12:58:05] <x-fak> teraflops , sorry?
1767[12:58:21] <x-fak> npo , what do you instead?
1768[12:58:38] <npo> x-fak: i always use 'service X restart'
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1770[12:59:04] <npo> i'm also using jessie
1771[12:59:14] <teraflops> I mean systemctl restart apache is using sysvinit anyway since theres no systemd apache unit file
1772[12:59:34] <teraflops> and internally service apache ... is using apachectl
1773[12:59:43] <teraflops> apache2ctl*
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1780[13:01:16] <x-fak> teraflops ok, but the command exists on my system even if there is no systemd apache unit file
1781[13:01:36] <x-fak> and i dont know what is the difference if there is a systemd unit file or not
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1785[13:03:27] <posix> should i answer Yes, do as i say!
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1787[13:03:31] <posix> at apt-get :P
1788[13:03:44] <antzero> x-fak: nice
1789[13:04:03] <antzero> anyone here tried installing debian-stretch on virtualbox and had problems?
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1794[13:05:24] <doublehp> how to run fsck -y at boot ? Debian; can I tune it directly in /etc ? automatically, without having to use keyboard
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1797[13:06:51] <x-fak> teraflops , if there is apache unit file, why do i have a result for this command "systemctl show httpd"?
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1800[13:07:36] <teraflops> there's _no_ apache unit file in jessie
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1802[13:07:48] <teraflops> x-fak: because debian
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1890[14:01:29] <usuariovirtual> I have 2 questions: one is why the debian installation pdf refer to a usb stick as a "disk" device when is clearly not a disk, and second why using unetbootin is not recommended in which way alterns the image that is that bad
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1892[14:04:53] <markybob> usuariovirtual: by that logic are ssd's not disks? it causes all sorts of problems. it's not even something that can be nailed down.
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1900[14:07:15] <usuariovirtual> markybob: calling it other then disks is problematic is dat wot yer saying
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1902[14:07:50] <themill> You can copy the installer image to rotating rust if you want
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1905[14:08:06] <usuariovirtual> markybob: and in sdd the d I know doesn't mean disk its drive
1906[14:08:08] <markybob> no. just that it makes sense
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1910[14:10:23] <Matumaros> Hi, somebody helped me last week with getting a wifi stick to work
1911[14:10:41] <Matumaros> The solution were following commands
1912[14:10:42] <Matumaros> modprobe rtl8192cu
1913[14:10:50] <Matumaros> echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id
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1915[14:11:37] <Matumaros> oh, nevermind, I forgot that those commands only work in sudo mode
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1921[14:13:19] <Matumaros> Well, last time I did both commands the wifi networks showed up, not this time
1922[14:13:23] <Matumaros> can anybody help me?
1923[14:13:38] <Matumaros> iw list doesn't give me anything
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1927[14:15:09] <Matumaros> (I'm working with a fresh install of Debian Jessie Stable)
1928[14:15:35] <superlinux> hi, I cannot apt-get anything. I get : socket (105: No buffer space available)
1929[14:15:52] <superlinux> how can I fix this? it's on my VPS
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1954[14:28:46] <hid3> Hello. Anyone else having problems reducing 'open_files_limit' value to a sane amount in MySQL on Debian 8? I have an entry 'open_files_limit=10240', it also adds option --open-files-limit=10240 to the process, however, the actual value is much larger, to be exact it is 262294. Any ideas?
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1961[14:33:00] <usuariovirtual> hid3: restart the service
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1963[14:33:28] <usuariovirtual> hid3: I take that from my experience with security properties fore wireless networks on windows 7
1964[14:33:36] <hid3> usuariovirtual: obviously I have restarted it (multiple times)
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1969[14:35:13] <usuariovirtual> hid3: have you checked on reddit forum and such
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1972[14:36:42] <hid3> Yes, I have. Seems there was a bug with that option a few versions ago, where you had ro put dashes (-) instead of underscores (_). I have tried them both to noavail... And I found nothing useful more. Seems everyone is concerned about increasing the limits over 1024 barrier or so (which required OS nofile settings modified), however, I want to decrease it...
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1980[14:41:23] <seto> im having a issue with the newest debian live system cd
1981[14:41:35] <seto> i have no wifi installed when booted to it
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1983[14:41:41] <seto> my card is Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 83)
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1985[14:42:14] <seto> need the firmware and tools like iwconfig etc so need a source to download the .deb etc
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1987[14:43:40] <Akuw> i upgrade mysql to last version now i get this Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'
1988[14:44:06] <usuariovirtual> hid3: check the release notes for different versions of mysql to see if they take note of that
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1990[14:45:05] <markybob> seto: there is a live image with firmware built in. replaced-url
1991[14:45:36] <seto> for petes sake lol
1992[14:45:41] <seto> did not see that before
1993[14:45:51] <seto> thats the full try before you die cd right?
1994[14:45:55] <seto> heheh
1995[14:46:01] <hid3> nothing in the release notes regarding that :(
1996[14:47:01] <Matumaros> I still need help with my ISY N300 Mini Wireles Adapter
1997[14:47:07] <usuariovirtual> hid3: oww too bad
1998[14:47:17] <seto> well with luck this solves that small problem
1999[14:47:39] <seto> i figure non flavored deb should be a great deal smaller than say ubuntu or kubuntu
2000[14:48:16] <seto> and being that i got kubuntu down to sub 6gb install pretty easily getting reg old deb even smaller should be a cake walk
2001[14:48:26] <markybob> seto: hold on. are you meaning to install debian? or just use live?
2002[14:48:39] <seto> to use live then install from live
2003[14:48:58] <markybob> seto: live doesn't support install on uefi
2004[14:49:06] <seto> this isnt uefi
2005[14:49:11] <seto> its a chrome book :p
2006[14:49:14] <markybob> okay
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2008[14:49:37] <markybob> and by okay i mean whatever. i don't know what chromebook does
2009[14:49:39] <seto> yeh can be a pain in the butt in some ways in others its like click and go
2010[14:49:54] <seto> chrome books rock
2011[14:50:21] <seto> even beat up as this sucker is right now for my over tweaked install im sub 45 seconds from selecting reboot to being back at desk top
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2013[14:50:53] <seto> before i messed things up i was at 28 seconds flat lol
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2016[14:52:06] <seto> well gona let this download
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2018[14:52:25] <seto> so long as i got net at boot time vid sound etc i can fix after install
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2027[14:58:43] <usuariovirtual> I have a question, when using #sync, is it always needed when copying an iso to a whole-disk device
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2035[15:02:37] <Elirips> Hello. I'm looking for a json processor available in debian stable, usable from the command line to extract single values. Any hints?
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2038[15:02:52] <halcyforn> hello how to install clean debian without graphic etc, only basic console system
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2045[15:04:27] <han-solo> halcyforn: why?
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2050[15:05:37] <halcyforn> i must do some exercises, problem the virtualbox version what ui get have many errors i want install clean version to do this exercicse orginal system hve 300 mb.
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2052[15:05:53] <halcyforn> do you know how to install that version i know this is command line
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2054[15:07:36] <han-solo> No. but i know how to use it in console mode
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2056[15:08:51] <halcyforn> yes but i need clean system to get screnshotsw of install all this what i must do in exercises, and few things are instaled always thats why i want core system.
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2059[15:09:42] <markybob> halcyforn: what's your native tongue? might help
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2062[15:10:07] <halcyforn> polish
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2065[15:10:16] <markybob> !pl
2066[15:10:17] <dpkg> Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
2067[15:10:21] <markybob> try that
2068[15:10:35] <halcyforn> there help dont exist
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2071[15:11:20] <MaBunny> guys i want to restart a app
2072[15:11:35] <MaBunny> what is the command for it
2073[15:13:06] <han-solo> service <application> restart
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2075[15:13:36] <markybob> MaBunny: depends on what you mean. systemclt restart foo
2076[15:13:41] <han-solo> you have to be root
2077[15:13:48] <MaBunny> thnx
2078[15:14:07] <markybob> stop using service :P
2079[15:14:16] <han-solo> heh
2080[15:14:26] <han-solo> i usually use /etc/init.d/
2081[15:14:39] <markybob> stop that as well
2082[15:14:41] <han-solo> what do you use, systemctl?
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2084[15:14:51] <markybob> yes
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2087[15:15:05] <han-solo> And the difference is?
2088[15:15:22] <MaBunny> markybob tell your way pls
2089[15:15:47] <markybob> han-solo: the difference is that debian is moving to complete systemd integration and that's what the future holds. so get used to it.
2090[15:15:59] <han-solo> okay
2091[15:16:01] <markybob> MaBunny: i already did
2092[15:16:04] <han-solo> Thanks
2093[15:16:26] <MaBunny> systemctl??
2094[15:16:32] <markybob> yes
2095[15:16:36] <MaBunny> can you give a quick use specs
2096[15:16:37] <han-solo> yes
2097[15:16:46] <han-solo> he did ^
2098[15:16:48] <MaBunny> specification
2099[15:16:54] <halcyforn> is somwhere command line to debian instalator?
2100[15:16:55] <markybob> i did
2101[15:16:56] <MaBunny> i mean the command
2102[15:16:58] <han-solo> systemctl restart <app> for your spec
2103[15:16:58] <hid3> systemctl is not comfortable to use
2104[15:16:59] <MaBunny> pls
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2107[15:17:28] <markybob> MaBunny: if you cant read what we say or man whatever command...really?
2108[15:17:58] <MaBunny> haha...im impatient...my system has gotten slow..its been on for 22 hrs
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2110[15:19:38] <markybob> MaBunny: yeah. we get impatient with lazy people.
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2112[15:19:59] <MaBunny> ok markybob im manning ;d
2113[15:20:08] <MaBunny> :D
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2116[15:23:05] <Akuw> anybody here knows how to reset mysql root password?
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2118[15:23:23] <han-solo> re-install it
2119[15:23:59] <MaBunny> ok markybob if im to kill the process gnome-shell,should it be this ---> systemctl --user --kill-who=all gnome-shell
2120[15:24:08] <MaBunny> im just asking
2121[15:24:09] <han-solo> or perhaps you should ask in the #mysql channel
2122[15:25:04] <han-solo> use kill
2123[15:25:04] <han-solo> kill -signal pid
2124[15:25:04] <han-solo> or just use pkill, for your convenience
2125[15:25:04] <han-solo> pkill <process_name>
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2128[15:25:29] <MaBunny> no im interested in learning systemctl
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2130[15:25:53] <han-solo> wow?
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2132[15:26:31] <hypersona> try less enters and more periods :P
2133[15:26:52] <han-solo> sure :)
2134[15:27:00] <MaBunny> markybob??
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2137[15:28:17] <han-solo> I want to answer, but now i'm skeptical
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2139[15:28:24] <MaBunny> no no
2140[15:28:36] <MaBunny> here it says it should be used with kill
2141[15:28:54] <han-solo> yes
2142[15:28:59] <MaBunny> ok...but i dont kno the pid,just the proc name
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2144[15:29:23] <MaBunny> so should it be --pkill <app> or just pkill <app>
2145[15:29:27] <han-solo> use pkill <process_name>, i guess i already told that, before deb kicked me out
2146[15:29:35] <MaBunny> yeah
2147[15:29:55] <han-solo> to get pid, use ps aux | grep pattern
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2153[15:30:29] <MaBunny> ok
2154[15:30:30] <hypersona> kill -9 $(pgrep appname)
2155[15:30:44] <hypersona> -f for myscript.sh
2156[15:30:45] <han-solo> use signal -15 if possible
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2162[15:33:33] <azswa> hi, does anybody know from what versions of debian use grub legacy?
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2167[15:34:21] <MaBunny> srry got disconnected
2168[15:34:24] <MaBunny> also what does this do, --signal=SIGSTOP
2169[15:34:37] <azswa> found it, up to debian lenny
2170[15:34:41] <han-solo> signal to stop
2171[15:34:59] <MaBunny> ok....and SIGTERM???
2172[15:35:15] <han-solo> terminate
2173[15:35:18] <MaBunny> ok
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2178[15:36:23] <MaBunny> ok...i typed this ---> systemctl --user -f --kill-who=all --pkill gnome-shell
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2180[15:36:48] <MaBunny> and it said unrecognized option --pkill
2181[15:37:08] <han-solo> just use, kill or pkill(for the last time)
2182[15:37:34] <MaBunny> the option --kill-who says tht "when used with kill"....
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2184[15:37:41] <han-solo> it's a direct command, like every other
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2186[15:37:57] <MaBunny> han-solo...pls...forgive my foolishness
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2188[15:38:16] <MaBunny> ok
2189[15:38:24] <han-solo> I see you're from india
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2195[15:39:02] <MaBunny> so it should be something like this ---> pkill gnome-shell && systemctl --user -f --kill-who=all --pkill gnome-shell
2196[15:39:08] <MaBunny> yeah maybe
2197[15:39:22] <han-solo> just pkill woll be fine
2198[15:39:28] <MaBunny> besides the --pkill.... part
2199[15:39:40] <han-solo> 's/woll/will
2200[15:39:41] <han-solo> '
2201[15:39:46] <MaBunny> nooooo...me wanna learn systemctl :P
2202[15:39:55] <MaBunny> :D
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2205[15:40:40] <MaBunny> earlier i just killed gnome-shell in the system-monitor app
2206[15:40:50] <han-solo> you should read the manpages, really
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2208[15:41:06] <MaBunny> but now i dont use it so...sometimes it restarts when its overloaded
2209[15:41:15] <MaBunny> im readying the man pages now
2210[15:41:21] <han-solo> good
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2212[15:41:57] <han-solo> you could write a script to check if the system overload and kill some low priority process
2213[15:42:13] <han-solo> and put it in the crontab
2214[15:42:14] <MaBunny> how...i mean what should it be like
2215[15:42:29] <MaBunny> and what should it check for??
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2218[15:42:58] <han-solo> process which uses huge memory maybe,
2219[15:43:02] <han-solo> it depends
2220[15:43:27] <MaBunny> yeah...just restart proc which use huge resources??
2221[15:44:08] <han-solo> depends on your objective
2222[15:44:16] <MaBunny> ok
2223[15:44:33] <Patero-ng> I have a question, when using sync, is it always needed when copying an iso to a whole-disk device
2224[15:44:42] <MaBunny> ok i typed ---> systemctl --user -f --kill-who=gnome-shell
2225[15:45:01] <MaBunny> and it says this---> Failed to get D-Bus connection: Operation not permitted
2226[15:45:13] <MaBunny> does it require root??
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2229[15:45:40] <MaBunny> but i think im root now.,..it shows hash sign
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2231[15:46:00] <han-solo> yes, then you most likely be root
2232[15:46:09] <MaBunny> no im root
2233[15:46:21] <han-solo> pkill worked fine, no?
2234[15:46:23] <odish> no i'm root
2235[15:46:31] <han-solo> :)
2236[15:46:43] <MaBunny> i didnt used pkill
2237[15:46:58] <MaBunny> systemctl --user -f --kill-who=gnome-shell
2238[15:47:36] <han-solo> :/
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2240[15:48:16] <MaBunny> markybob any suggestions??
2241[15:48:31] <han-solo> Did you try, pkill gnome-shell, (this is likely to kill all gnome-shells, i guess)
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2244[15:48:50] <MaBunny> i might even try killall gnome-shell
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2246[15:49:04] <MaBunny> but then i wont learn a new command :P
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2251[15:50:59] <debguy> hi guys im trying to move my debian harddisk from a 2014 config to a 2011 is there a command i should run before doing this
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2255[15:52:08] <hypersona> MaBunny: youre not making any sense
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2257[15:52:38] <hypersona> MaBunny: since when gnome-shell is running as a systemd --user unit?
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2260[15:52:50] <MaBunny> idk!!!
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2262[15:53:19] <MaBunny> i tried this ---> Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1
2263[15:53:35] <MaBunny> systemctl --root -f --kill-who=gnome-shell
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2266[15:54:17] <MaBunny> ok
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2268[15:54:35] <MaBunny> i dont hav the time now...ill just use kill
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2271[15:55:07] <themill> if you keep trying random things for long enough, you'll eventually write all of the works of Shakespeare.
2272[15:55:14] <hypersona> :P
2273[15:55:44] <Pr0metheus> is it possible that my hard disk (ext4) is found to be ok using the extended SMART test but the filesystem is messed up (cannot ready anthing from the disk)?
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2291[15:59:51] <Akuw> i am installing mysql but installer stay in this Setting up mysql-community-server (5.7.12-1debian8) ...
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2300[16:02:02] <babilen> Akuw: Which distribution are you using?
2301[16:02:10] <Akuw> debian
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2303[16:02:23] <Akuw> jessie
2304[16:02:25] <babilen> Akuw: That package is not in Debian, you might want to ask whoever supplied it.
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2307[16:02:51] <Akuw> how can i install mysql 5.7 ?
2308[16:03:29] <babilen> It looks as if their maintainer scripts are broken or stall. You might want to look into top, figure out the process that is running and what its doing (strace). You'll find the maintainer scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info and you could fix them yourself.
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2310[16:04:24] <babilen> Akuw: That version of MySQL is not in Debian and you would, therefore, have to use packages from unuspported third-party repositories.
2311[16:04:38] <babilen> Also, you might want to consider using mariadb ;)
2312[16:04:51] <Patero-ng> is there a ftp client that comes with debian?
2313[16:05:07] <han-solo> ftp
2314[16:05:25] <babilen> Patero-ng: Plenty, but 'ftp' would be the basic one :)
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2357[16:22:15] <Akuw> getting problems to install mariadb replaced-url
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2363[16:25:18] <kang00> (Lope) Even after turning screen on they don't really respond right away. Have to DC RC wifi then it connects.
2364[16:25:29] <kang00> What is dc rc?
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2369[16:31:01] <Matumaros> Is there still nobody online who could help me making a wifi stick work?
2370[16:31:36] <mtn> Matumaros: what is the chip? and did you use the wiki to solve your problem?
2371[16:32:18] <Matumaros> mtn: I got help here last time, but since that I reinstalled my system and the same steps taken last time don't seem to work
2372[16:32:26] <mtn> Matumaros: what is the chip? and did you use the wiki to solve your problem?
2373[16:32:48] <Matumaros> It's a ISY N300 Mini Wireless Adapter
2374[16:33:03] <Matumaros> I did these two steps:
2375[16:33:04] <Matumaros> modprobe rtl8192cu
2376[16:33:08] <mtn> Matumaros: that is not the chip, so won't help. what chip does it use?
2377[16:33:12] <Matumaros> echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id
2378[16:33:30] <Matumaros> Where do I find what chip it uses?
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2380[16:33:48] <mtn> Matumaros: either lspci or lsusb
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2383[16:34:37] <mtn> Matumaros: the wiki would have instructions to find the chip and take it from there, which is why I asked about the wiki
2384[16:34:46] <okee> Does anyone know if star is in the repos? I don't find it.
2385[16:35:01] <Matumaros> mtn: it's not listed in either
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2387[16:35:22] <Matumaros> Last time I searched on Google but couldn't find anything, then I went on here to get help
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2389[16:35:38] <mtn> Matumaros: ok, let's try this. install inxi. then run: inxi -Nn paste the results to dpaste.com and give us the link
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2392[16:36:18] <okee> star allows you to preserve extended file extensions when copying. It is similar to tar.
2393[16:36:20] <mtn> okee: replaced-url
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2395[16:36:27] <Matumaros> mtn: I have no internet connection, which is why I use this stick
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2397[16:36:53] <mtn> Matumaros: no lan? you won't be able to download anything if you need some new packages
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2399[16:37:35] <Matumaros> my LAN cable is damaged, it goes through the walls
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2401[16:37:43] <iron_houzi> I know about adding library paths to /etc/ld.so.conf.d , but how do I set the search order of the conf files?
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2403[16:37:51] <Matumaros> I will do a new one at some point
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2406[16:38:03] <mtn> Matumaros: if lsusb and lspci don't show the wifi, then it is not connected or not recognized by the kernel
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2411[16:39:02] <Matumaros> mtn: Alright, I'll see if I can find or borrow a long enough cable for the meantime
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2419[16:43:16] <kang00> "What kind of server are you turning your phone into?"
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2457[17:11:24] <Laurenceb__> hi, I have some weird problems
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2459[17:11:53] <Laurenceb__> /var/log/suspend.log: Read-only file system
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2461[17:11:59] <Laurenceb__> when I try to suspend
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2480[17:21:56] <han-solo> change the permission then
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2520[17:43:04] <Patero-ng> hi I have a linux distro on an image file that is not very trusted, it's from spain and I fear that my hardware may overheat and die if I do load it and I'm not kidding... is there anyway to safely test this img? will virtualbox on windows be safe for such test?
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2522[17:44:05] <zinx> is your hardware lacking proper cooling?
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2524[17:44:23] <okee> What type of label is required for partitions? fdisk gives me the following four replaced-url
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2575[18:07:42] <at0m> Patero-ng: unless the distro runs cpuburn by default, little chance it will overheat anything. may run slow at worst.
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2633[18:30:25] <hiya> Is Iceweasel being discontinued?
2634[18:30:38] <hiya> Firefox and Iceweasel agreed over Trademark issues?
2635[18:30:46] <hiya> or copyright issues w/e were there?
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2648[18:33:36] <lesik> good question, I'm interested as well
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2650[18:35:04] <hiya> lesik, really?
2651[18:35:24] <Akuw> FATAL ERROR: Could not find ./bin/my_print_defaults
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2661[18:37:33] <lesik> hiya, yes.
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2664[18:38:12] <jmcnaught> !firefox
2665[18:38:12] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages will shortly appear in both jessie and sid. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
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2672[18:44:33] <lesik> that doesn't really explain much
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2674[18:45:07] <hiya> Do you recommend upgrading from iceweasel to release firefox using this mozilla.debian.net link?
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2677[18:46:45] <lesik> debian will probably continue to manually patch firefox. mozilla won't like that. how did debian agree with mozilla over using the firefox brand?
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2681[18:47:36] <jmcnaught> most of the disagreement was rendered moot now that mozilla does ESR releases of firefox, so Debian doesn't need to backport very much
2682[18:47:47] <Patero-ng> zinx: proper cooling well with stock voltages!
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2684[18:48:01] <jmcnaught> the mozilla.debian.net packages are handy if you need newer firefox, if you don't then just use what's in jessie
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2689[18:49:07] <Patero-ng> at0m: I'm saying if the distro comes with certain malicous code to break down hardware like increasing the voltages of the dif components of the motherboard
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2715[19:06:03] <Akuw> i have a problem with mysql packages
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2718[19:08:34] <Akuw> can't install mariadb
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2722[19:09:18] <jmcnaught> Akuw: what happens when you try?
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2724[19:10:02] <hesco> I have a partition for which `df -h` is reporting: '/dev/sda3 437G 417G 0 100% /'. My question is: How do I reclaim that 20gb as usable, so that logs get written and my server begins to function again, while I try to migrate some of this load about?
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2730[19:11:19] <Akuw> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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2733[19:12:33] <hesco> Akuw: care to show the output of: See 'systemctl status mysql.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details
2734[19:12:39] <teraflops> hesco: ext4?
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2736[19:12:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> hesco, that's probably the 5% reserved for root if this is ext4...
2737[19:13:08] <teraflops> hesco: that's extactly the 5% a CutMeOwnThroat says
2738[19:13:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> I'd just move/delete stuff
2739[19:13:13] <teraflops> as*
2740[19:13:41] <Akuw> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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2742[19:14:15] <hesco> teraflops, CutMeOwnThroat: you called it, both partitions there are ext4.
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2746[19:14:55] <teraflops> hesco: 437 x 5 / 100 ;)
2747[19:15:02] <jmcnaught> Akuw: perhaps you could use "-l" as suggested in your paste to get nontruncated messages?
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2749[19:15:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> if this is indeed the ext 5%... you can probably change it with tune2fs -m 1 or so
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2751[19:16:16] <Akuw> jmcnaught: replaced-url
2752[19:16:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> but I've never done that
2753[19:16:55] <hesco> CutMeOwnThroat: any known risks of messing with a running file system in that way? Can't afford any data loss over this.
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2759[19:17:59] <hesco> Akuw: do you have real data on this machine yet?
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2761[19:18:13] <Akuw> real data?
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2763[19:18:31] <hesco> if not I would be inclined to apt-get-remove --purge the maria installation and try again
2764[19:18:40] <hesco> was mysql ever installed here?
2765[19:18:44] <teraflops> hesco: is it worth the risk?
2766[19:18:57] <Akuw> yes
2767[19:19:19] <hesco> did mysql host real data for you?
2768[19:19:33] <Kirito> Is there a quick / temporary work-around for the letsencrypt package issues in backports currently? (python-acme : Breaks: python-letsencrypt (< 0.6.0) but 0.5.0-1~bpo8+1 is to be installed)
2769[19:19:38] <hesco> what does `du -sh /var/lib/mysql` return?
2770[19:19:50] <Kirito> Or do I have to wait for the maintainers to fix the current packages?
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2772[19:20:17] <Akuw> 172M /var/lib/mysql
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2774[19:21:06] <a2m> lol, just lol: replaced-url
2775[19:21:07] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2776[19:21:17] <hesco> Akuw: is there data you care about in that 172mb?
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2778[19:21:27] <desired_nick> static ip and port forwarding works from the internet .. but not from the LAN. this is how cisco router works ??
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2783[19:22:27] <hesco> if not use the `remove --purge` advised below and for good measure rm -rf /var/lib/mysql; then try your maria installation again.
2784[19:22:38] <jmcnaught> Kirito: you can report issues with backports to its mailing list: replaced-url
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2789[19:22:56] <hesco> if you care about that data, reinstall mysql, dump the data, purge the mysql installation, install maria and import the dumped data
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2795[19:24:34] <Akuw> is backed up
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2797[19:25:20] <desired_nick> static ip and port forwarding works from the internet .. but not from the LAN. this is how cisco router works ??
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2800[19:26:46] <teraflops> desired_nick: are you asking for cisco suport in #debian?
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2803[19:26:53] <Akuw> hesco: i made backup
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2805[19:27:32] <jmcnaught> Akuw: did you make the backup with mysqldump, or did you just back up the /var/lib/mysql files?
2806[19:27:52] <Akuw> tar file
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2808[19:28:31] <jmcnaught> Akuw: that doesn't answer my question
2809[19:28:47] <Akuw> i made a tar of that folder
2810[19:28:54] <jelly> dpkg, tell a2m about debian-next
2811[19:29:14] <jelly> dpkg, tell a2m about sid faq
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2814[19:29:30] <jmcnaught> Akuw: if you are trying to migrate from mysql to mariadb you're probably better off having mysqldump copies of each database
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2816[19:29:52] <Akuw> that database are not a problem
2817[19:30:00] <Akuw> i just need to install mariadb
2818[19:30:02] <jmcnaught> Akuw: especially since it seems to be failing for you. copies of /var/lib/mysql can be unreliable
2819[19:30:06] <Akuw> and fix install problem
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2825[19:31:30] <jmcnaught> Akuw: well has hesco was saying earlier, the problem mariadb is having is with the files that already exist in /var/lib/mysql. if you want to keep the databases, you probably need to reinstall mysql, make copies with mysqldump, then remove mysql, delete /var/lib/mysql, install mariadb, import the dumped databases
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2827[19:32:00] <desired_nick> teraflops: i am not asking support.. I am asking those who used cisco router if this is how cisco router works
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2866[19:45:52] <hesco> Akuw: do not depend on a file system backup of the database at /var/lib/mysql. Use the API provided by mysqldump and mysql clients to dump, then restore your databases, otherwise you risk data corruption. jmcnaught has outlined the process in this channel only a few moments ago.
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2883[19:52:25] <spacebug^> I'm using Debian 8.4 with encrypted LVM. I also want to setup encrypted swap. Any help with that? My /etc/fstab has en entry for swap with a name like /dev/mapper/hostname--vg-swap_1 should I use that in /etc/crypttab?
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2889[19:54:20] <jmcnaught> spacebug^: does that swap LV already exist, was it created by the installer? If the swap LV is on the same VG as your other volumes, you shouldn't need a separate entry in /etc/crypttab for it
2890[19:54:37] <Junka> is bsd-mailx enough to send emails?
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2893[19:55:00] <jelly> Junka: short answer, no
2894[19:55:09] <teraflops> Junka? o/
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2897[19:55:17] <Junka> teraflops: hi!! :D
2898[19:55:23] <teraflops> ;D
2899[19:55:27] <Junka> teraflops: how are you?
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2902[19:55:43] <teraflops> fine, and you?
2903[19:55:44] <spacebug^> jmcnaught : install made it for me. I guess that means my swap is on an encypted area of the disk, but I would also want the swap to be encrypted itself
2904[19:55:51] <jelly> spacebug^: did you encrypt your PV or your LV? Pastebin the current output of "lsblk"
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2907[19:56:06] <Junka> teraflops: very good thanks for asking
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2910[19:56:33] <spacebug^> jelly : I'm not inline with that computer right now
2911[19:56:37] <Junka> jelly: do you have a guide for it?
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2919[19:57:38] <teraflops> Junka: bsd-mailx is a wrapper that uses an existing smtp server
2920[19:57:38] <jelly> spacebug^: then it will be hard to help
2921[19:57:49] <jelly> s/smtp/MTA/
2922[19:57:50] <spacebug^> ok, to bad
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2925[19:58:22] <teraflops> so if you have a mta already setup youre fine
2926[19:58:34] <jelly> teraflops: that particular mailx does not speak smtp, only /usr/sbin/sendmail
2927[19:58:48] <teraflops> yeah sendmail
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2929[19:59:34] <Junka> teraflops: how to configure? sudo dpkg-reconfigure bsd-mailx does nothing
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2932[20:00:29] <teraflops> Junka: you want to use mail from console and send emails to the intertubes? if yes you need to setup a mta first
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2938[20:01:29] <Junka> teraflops: i want the system to send me some reports
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2940[20:01:56] <teraflops> ah locally?
2941[20:02:05] <Junka> yes sure
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2943[20:03:26] <teraflops> Junka: do you have exim installed?
2944[20:03:40] <Junka> teraflops: yes, bsd-mailx pulled it
2945[20:05:05] <jelly> Junka: if you do not need local delivery, consider replacing exim4 with a simpler mta like msmtp-mta
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2950[20:05:52] <jelly> then configure msmtp to send mail over your gmail or hotmail server or ISP's mail server
2951[20:06:02] <spacebug-> jelly: replaced-url
2952[20:06:17] <Junka> jelly: seems pretty straightforward, thanks!
2953[20:06:21] <Junka> teraflops: thank you too :D
2954[20:06:31] <teraflops> Junka: np mate
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2958[20:07:04] <jelly> spacebug-: so your PV is encrypted. That means all the LVs inside, so far that's your root filesystem and you swap are encrypted on disk.
2959[20:07:11] <jelly> spacebug-: nothing to do here
2960[20:08:00] <spacebug-> jelly: ecnrypted with same key for both / and swap?
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2962[20:08:05] <jelly> correct
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2965[20:09:01] <spacebug-> would it not be more secure to also encrypt swap agin with en entry in crypttab with a key from /dev/random or something?
2966[20:09:15] <jelly> why?
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2969[20:09:57] <spacebug-> my swap is not really hidden from processes now when the system is runnign is it?
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2972[20:10:32] <spacebug-> I'm kind of paranoid :D
2973[20:10:32] <jelly> swap is used by kernel, not processes on their own
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2978[20:11:42] <spacebug-> so there are no way a process could somehow read from the swappartition?
2979[20:11:45] <jelly> if you're root or member of disk group you can read block devices, including the block device use for swap
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2982[20:12:35] <spacebug-> so root could in theory read info on the swap partition?
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2984[20:13:13] <jelly> no, not in theory. root can do anything.
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2990[20:14:03] <spacebug-> hum. I would have thoughrt the system protected its memory from any process
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2992[20:14:13] <spacebug-> how can it be secure then?
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2995[20:14:54] <jelly> it can't be secure from root
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2997[20:15:15] <spacebug-> Hum. Ok
2998[20:15:28] <spacebug-> Thanks for the info
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3000[20:15:37] <jelly> which is why distros restrict root access
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3004[20:17:07] <spacebug-> So that might be why Apple has changed things in recent OS X so some things even admins can't change. (One can disable this in their bios or equal)
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3044[20:27:42] <Somelauw> Hi, is it likely that debian is goig to add a file manager to /etc/alternatives? At the moment I can't think of a portable way to open a file-explorer.
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3057[20:29:38] <Somelauw> some programs for Debian are hardcoded to open nautilus, which I don't have installed and which I don't want to install
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3061[20:29:56] <Somelauw> for example, Dropbox and that cheese do that
3062[20:30:27] <teraflops> I cannot believe that. But I think the sane way doing it is using xdg
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3064[20:30:36] <jelly> Somelauw: xdg-open /home/ ?
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3067[20:30:43] <teraflops> Of doing
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3069[20:31:04] <jelly> opened Thunar here on xfce
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3073[20:31:42] <peekaboo> hi how do i tell the kernel to load a fw file from /lib/firmware
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3075[20:32:01] <vlt> Hello. After every apt upgrade where initrd.img is involved (re-built) I have to run `CRYPTSETUP=y update-initramfs -u`. Otherwise there’d be no /sbin/cryptsetup binary in initramfs available and I’d be locked out. Any idea how to fix this?
3076[20:32:02] <Junka> teraflops: mail and mailx are diff?
3077[20:32:10] <teraflops> Somelauw: use xdg, gvfs, exo...the tool depends on your DE if any
3078[20:32:20] <jelly> peekaboo: you don't tell it directly, you unload the module that wants the firmware, and load it back (or reboot)
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3081[20:32:46] <jelly> vlt: which debian release?
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3083[20:33:05] <peekaboo> @jelly my network driver didnt come with debian livecd so i downloaded the fw and moved it to /lib/firmware, restarted and my wifi device is still not recognized :(
3084[20:33:08] <vlt> jelly: stable
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3086[20:33:20] <jelly> vlt: is your /etc/crypttab sane?
3087[20:33:28] <peekaboo> @jelly also its an installation off livecd not a livecd
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3094[20:34:00] <teraflops> Junka: I cannot check it right know. Look at those files with ls -la
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3097[20:34:14] <Somelauw> xdg-open . worked for me opening pcmanfm
3098[20:34:22] <jelly> peekaboo: can you show the dmesg line where the kernel fails to load the firmware?
3099[20:34:24] <vlt> jelly: It’s empty. I assume that’s the reason. What could I put there?
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3105[20:35:06] <teraflops> Somelauw: you can set the default application
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3107[20:35:47] <peekaboo> @jelly it should normally be red right?
3108[20:35:57] <jelly> vlt: definition of your underlying luks device path and its unencypted name, man 5 crypttab
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3110[20:36:48] <Somelauw> I'm okay with it opening anything the user can configure
3111[20:36:59] <peekaboo> @jelly replaced-url
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3113[20:37:16] <jim> which one should I get? the one from backports? Package: apt-cacher-ng on amd64 -- ... jessie: 0.8.0-3; ... jessie-backports: 0.9.1-1~bpo8+1 ...
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3117[20:37:32] <jelly> peekaboo: that's the wired ethernet
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3121[20:38:02] <peekaboo> @jelly :s pretty sure thats the wifi tho
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3123[20:38:16] <jelly> hmm, I may be wrong
3124[20:38:39] <peekaboo> @jelly like.. it's the only package deb installer warned me about
3125[20:38:48] <jelly> description: RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver
3126[20:39:01] <peekaboo> @jelly no my card is rtl8168e
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3128[20:39:06] <vlt> jelly: Ok, I put one line with a name and the UUID of the source device there. This file is _inside_ the cryptdevice so it’s never really useful. But maybe it’ll give a hint to update-initramfs to include cryptsetup ;-)
3129[20:39:08] <teraflops> Somelauw: take a look at replaced-url
3130[20:39:08] <jelly> peekaboo: pastebin the last 200-ish lines of dmesg
3131[20:39:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> is there a program that monitors wlang signal strength and translates that into a beep of various height, so one can twiddle the antenna and get audio feedback
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3133[20:39:33] <Laki> hello guys
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3135[20:39:57] <jelly> vlt: you need something like "name /dev/someplace none luks"
3136[20:40:04] <Akuw> i am getting this when installing phpmyadmin mysql: [ERROR] mysql: Empty value for 'port' specified
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3140[20:40:43] <jelly> vlt: but yeah the manual says UUID= is supported too
3141[20:40:55] <vlt> jelly: Ok, I’ll add "none luks". I’d rather not put a fixed /dev/someplace there because that might change. I’ll use UUID instead.
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3143[20:41:03] <peekaboo> replaced-url
3144[20:41:04] <vlt> jelly: Yeah, thank you!
3145[20:41:17] <jelly> vlt: /dev/disk/by-uuid/blargh works for me
3146[20:42:03] <jelly> peekaboo: now, [ 2.682370] rtl8192ce 0000:0d:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin (-2) <-- that's wifi
3147[20:42:18] <peekaboo> @jelly but thats not my wifi card :s
3148[20:42:26] <peekaboo> mine is 8168e
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3150[20:42:49] <jelly> that's not what your kernel thinks is present.
3151[20:42:58] <Somelauw> teraflops: the thing with xdg-open is that I can't communicate the intent. Fortunately for filepaths, the intent to open it in a file browser is usually correct.
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3153[20:43:09] <jelly> !rtl8168e
3154[20:43:09] <dpkg> r8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>. Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver.
3155[20:43:25] <teraflops> peekaboo: sorry for asking but, out of curiosity do you type the @ manually?
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3157[20:43:39] <peekaboo> @teraflops yeah im on qirc
3158[20:44:07] <teraflops> Is that a twitter thingy?
3159[20:44:30] <jelly> peekaboo: rtl8168e seems to be wired. Put rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin in the right place for the wifi driver. You need that subdirectory under /lib/firmware, so the full path should be /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin
3160[20:44:36] <peekaboo> @teraflops nah its alerting in most most hippie messaging apps
3161[20:44:49] <peekaboo> thanks @jelly will give it a try
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3163[20:45:03] <peekaboo> @jelly can firmware drivers i download off the internet be malicious?
3164[20:45:04] <jelly> peekaboo: please avoid using @ on irc, just the nickname is fine
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3166[20:45:10] <teraflops> Twitter nightmare
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3168[20:45:29] <Junka> jelly: how is the subject of the email be determined?
3169[20:45:35] <jelly> peekaboo: anything downloaded off internet can be malicious. How LIKELY it is...
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3175[20:46:05] <peekaboo> @jelly but i mean the kernel runs this stuff without questioning right?
3176[20:46:05] <jelly> Junka: Subject: is one of the headers your mail client is supposed to generate
3177[20:46:15] <peekaboo> @jelly it gives it full privileges
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3179[20:46:26] <peekaboo> sorry for @
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3182[20:46:44] <jelly> peekaboo: worse, it gives it to the CPU in the wireless card to run.
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3187[20:47:30] <jelly> your wifi card, your ethernet card, your disk all have separate processing units of their own. Fun!
3188[20:47:52] <peekaboo> jelly but isn't this a vulnerability?
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3192[20:49:05] <jelly> peekaboo: no security system can save you from "root doing stupid things"
3193[20:49:09] <Junka> apt-history is not a thing anymore?
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3195[20:49:35] <vlt> jelly: No matter what I tried so far I always get "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab for md1 -" from `update-initramfs -u` and the resulting initd.img file is ~1 MB smaller than the working one. I think I don’t even need to try to boot. The line is
3196[20:49:37] <vlt> pvcrypt /dev/disk/by-uuid/0a327e21-bcd2-45f9-b860-874c15aa5ce4 none luks
3197[20:49:43] <jelly> right
3198[20:50:18] <Somelauw> Junka: never heard of it, but /var/log should have history of all apt-commands
3199[20:50:24] <jelly> vlt: I don't see any md1 in there, is that path symlink to /dev/md1 ?
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3203[20:52:56] <vlt> jelly: Yes, it links to ../../md-1. But even if I replace the uuid part of /etc/crypttab by garbage it still complains about an error for md1. Weird.
3204[20:53:09] <vlt> *md1
3205[20:53:59] <jelly> vlt: what does file -s /dev/md1 say?
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3208[20:54:19] <vlt> jelly: /dev/md1: LUKS encrypted file, ver 1 [aes, cbc-essiv:sha256, sha1] UUID: 0a327e21-bcd2-45f9-b860-874c15aa5ce4
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3214[20:55:19] <jelly> vlt: show your lsblk output
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3221[20:58:06] <Laki> I need some help, I've got Xorg and video driver issues, I'm on a SiS card and setting vesa in xorg.conf works, but only at 1024x768 resolution - but I can't get the sis drivers to work
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3224[20:58:48] <Laki> here is my Xorg log after I tried setting sis replaced-url
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3226[20:59:19] <vlt> jelly: Can I pm it?
3227[20:59:54] <jelly> vlt: what's wrong with a pastebin
3228[21:00:10] <jelly> !paste
3229[21:00:10] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
3230[21:00:24] <vlt> jelly: Nothing. I just wanted to pm you the pastebin link :-D
3231[21:00:31] <jelly> paste it here.
3232[21:00:37] <vlt> replaced-url
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3235[21:01:55] <jelly> vlt: it's mildly amusing to see encrypted /dev/md1 below unencrypted /dev/mapper/md1
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3238[21:02:23] <jelly> vlt: I wonder which one the tools complain about
3239[21:03:55] <jelly> vlt: can you reboot and bring up the unencrypted device used as LVM PV with the new desired name, see if that changes things?
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3245[21:05:53] <salala> Hi
3246[21:05:58] <salala> is there a tool which manages address data in a xml file? i do not like the various gui tools and would like just have to have a good data structure and put it into my git....
3247[21:06:00] <jelly> vlt: while you're at it it might be a good idea to put the md array for /boot into /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, too, so it doesn't get the autogenerated md127 number
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3249[21:06:46] <[sr]> hi
3250[21:07:20] <[sr]> this is a bit generic, but does anyone knows the option in dhcp that makes the mobile deviced "popup" the browser windows to do sign in, in wifi hotspots?
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3254[21:08:21] <vlt> jelly: Yes, I’ll try that. I doubt, though, that putting something into /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf will affect the md names during boot because /etc is available only after decrypting md1 :-D
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3256[21:09:15] <jelly> vlt: copies of both mdadm.conf and crypttab are stashed into the generated initramfs image
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3259[21:11:43] <Junka> how can i set apt when it removes pkgs to also purges them?
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3263[21:12:30] <jelly> vlt: I'm... not quite sure how your system booted at all without a crypttab, I guess there's fallback code to detect and unlock ANY luks device
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3269[21:13:33] <jelly> Junka: you can't, that would break the package upgrade process
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3285[21:19:30] <vlt> jelly: I rebooted and renamed the crypt device to md1_open. Now I get the error "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab for md1_open -"
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3290[21:21:38] <Patero-ng> hi when chrooting do I do it as root?
3291[21:21:39] <vlt> jelly: There’s an inherited "cryptopts" kernel command line option that – in earlier Debian versions – made initramfs run an askpass command that asked for the passphrase, vgchange -ay’d the LVM and continued booting.
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3293[21:21:48] <Patero-ng> when mounting with bind and stuff
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3295[21:22:41] <jelly> Patero-ng: chroot _only_ works as root, so yes
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3298[21:23:07] <vlt> jelly: Because /dev/disk/by-uuid doesn’t exist in Debian 8’s early initramfs stage it always drops to an (initrd) shell where I have to run cryptsetup manually. I want to resolve this as well but it’s a lower priority problem.
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3301[21:23:41] <vlt> jelly: Because I can’t run any cryptsetup when it’s not there :D
3302[21:24:09] <jelly> vlt: if it doesn't exist that's a bug; however if /dev/md1 is there you can just put that in crypttab
3303[21:24:14] <Patero-ng> jelly: I should have check to see if only sudo shows chroot me dumb
3304[21:24:19] <Junka> jelly: how are updates being tagged as security updates?
3305[21:24:35] <vlt> jelly: I know. I jsut don’t want because that might change.
3306[21:24:39] <vlt> *just
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3308[21:25:20] <vlt> jelly: And I think it had to go into grub.conf, not crypttab.
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3310[21:25:59] <tikun> what is the average/typical maximum throughput of the SFTP protocol? Currently I'm seeing a max of roughly 18-19Mbit, my connection is capable of 100Mbit, is there any way to improve the transfer speeds?
3311[21:26:19] <jelly> vlt: if you're using systemd, it's possible you might have to tinker with dependencies of luks and md to get them up in the right order, I think I've seen a related bug or two
3312[21:26:40] <Patero-ng> jelly: when using mount --bind for example, do I do it as root? mount works as user too
3313[21:27:33] <jelly> Patero-ng: I don't know what you're trying to achieve with it, but I suspect mount --bind with arbitrary source and dest. will not work as normal user
3314[21:27:41] <vlt> jelly: I don’t know whether I use systemd. It’s a debootstrapped Debian 8.
3315[21:27:51] <jelly> vlt: cat /proc/1/comm
3316[21:27:51] <vlt> Any idea where "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab for md1_open -" might come from when running `update-initramfs -u`?
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3318[21:28:06] <Patero-ng> jelly: I'm trying to chroot into a pen drive from debian on a virtualbox in windows7
3319[21:28:08] <vlt> jelly: systemd
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3323[21:28:53] <vlt> Patero-ng: Is the usb drive visible in the virtualbox?
3324[21:29:10] <jelly> Junka: I don't know what you mean by that. Where do you see those tags, which command shows them?
3325[21:29:11] <ryouma> i have had endless initramfs problems with jessie of similar variety. hope next debian will be robust to configuration issues, mistakes, have good error messages, fewer bugs, etc. i know nothing about such things (don't even understand update-initramfs manpage), but i find it is useful to extract the initramfs that gets generated.
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3328[21:29:42] <vlt> ryouma: Is jessie Debian 8?
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3330[21:29:53] <jelly> !jessie
3331[21:29:53] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: replaced-url
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3333[21:30:04] <Patero-ng> vlt: yes I can
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3338[21:30:31] <vlt> Patero-ng: Then what step do you have problems with?
3339[21:30:36] <ryouma> i have also been only able to get back into jessie by selecting the sysvinit version of the kernel in grub, at times
3340[21:30:37] <silverfall> jessie sounds like the jessie from breaking bad
3341[21:30:41] <silverfall> woody/sid was much better
3342[21:30:51] <Junka> jelly: apt-cache policy, are security updates labeled as Debian-Security ?
3343[21:30:56] <jelly> Patero-ng: then yes, for a one-time setup you'll do most of that stuff as root
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3346[21:31:04] <markybob> ryouma: that doesn't ever make sense
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3348[21:31:31] <Patero-ng> vlt: I just want to know if one of the steps for the process of chrooting requires root privligees
3349[21:31:48] <ryouma> markybob: the default systemd kernel just hangs trying things over and over, while the sysvinit kernel in grub gives me a prompt that i can ^D to continue or whatever.
3350[21:31:51] <markybob> "sysvinit version of the kernel"...c'mon.
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3352[21:32:01] <vlt> Patero-ng: The chrooting requires them.
3353[21:32:17] <Patero-ng> k
3354[21:32:19] <Patero-ng> jelly: thanks
3355[21:32:22] <ryouma> markybob: there are 3 versions of the kernel that grub provides. don't be mean to people on irc. one says sysv one says rescue and one does not say anything.
3356[21:32:36] <ryouma> markybob: maybe your grub does not show them
3357[21:32:57] <jelly> Junka: apt-cache policy just tells you which repos are enabled and which package versions are available in which repo. All the uploads to security.debian.org are security related, but sometimes you may get security-patched versions even from main repo. Right after point updates, for example.
3358[21:33:12] <ryouma> just don't diss people. there's no point. the channel is for helping people.
3359[21:33:20] <markybob> ryouma: yeah. i'm the one trolling. we're not that stupid.
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3364[21:33:51] <Junka> jelly: exactly my point, how can I distinguish them?
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3366[21:34:07] <vlt> jelly: Any further ideas about that "invalid line" warning or do I just have to live with rebuilding initramfs every time with CRYPTSETUP=y env?
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3368[21:34:11] <Junka> jelly: the ones from the main repo
3369[21:34:24] <Junka> jelly: the ones from the security repo are obvious
3370[21:34:27] <jelly> markybob: they clearly meant the sysvinit menu option in grub, available when you have both installed
3371[21:34:48] <ryouma> jelly: yes
3372[21:34:49] <ryouma> plonk on markybob. jesus christ you don't have to be a dick.
3373[21:35:00] <ryouma> there are 3 options for the kernel the4re
3374[21:35:29] <ryouma> jelly: strangely, i didn't explicitly install sysvinit. but i am glad it was there
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3376[21:35:43] <jelly> markybob: you may think something doesn't make sense, but then ask for clarification, preferably in a more polite manner
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3380[21:37:25] <jelly> Junka: I don't know how to easily distinguish security fixes from other fixes also available in a point release, other than nothing security-related is visible in the changelog
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3382[21:37:47] <jelly> Junka: apt-listchanges is useful that way
3383[21:38:58] <Junka> jelly: yes the changelog should inform about CVEs right?
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3386[21:39:20] <silverfall> jelly: how can I contribute to Debian? ** "dpkg" has been added to the ignore list
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3388[21:39:28] <jelly> Junka: there probably is a way, seeing as "debsecan" can figure it and there's info about fixed and known security issues on security-tracker.debian.org; I just don't know how to get it easily
3389[21:39:52] <jelly> silverfall: first unignore dpkg bot :-)
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3393[21:40:55] <Patero-ng> question
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3396[21:41:37] <jelly> silverfall: then perhaps read /msg dpkg how-can-i-help
3397[21:41:54] <Patero-ng> I jusst chrooted into my debian8.1 on the usb pendrive but it outputs doing it for a i386 platform and my pc is amd64bit, is it i386 32bit? if so might the virtualbox hardware dection been wrong?
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3399[21:42:19] <Patero-ng> my question is was the installation normal
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3401[21:43:03] <jelly> Patero-ng: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say inside the chroot
3402[21:43:09] <silverfall> jelly: yesterday I went through debian.org pages one after another for hours and ended up with no clue
3403[21:43:40] <silverfall> if I recall correctly I saw stuff like "xxx translation 130%", how can you translate more than there is to translate? pure nonsense
3404[21:43:45] <silverfall> I want to speak with a human
3405[21:43:48] <vlt> jelly: News: Something works better. I’ll reboot, check and report. Thanks so far.
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3407[21:43:54] <TomTomTosch> Patero-ng: how did you install the chroot environment? debootstrap? regular debian install? maybe you picked the wrong iso.
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3409[21:44:12] <Patero-ng> jelly: says amd64
3410[21:44:19] <Junka> jelly: ok thanks
3411[21:44:30] <Patero-ng> TomTomTosch: it's the 64bit 8.4
3412[21:44:30] <jelly> Patero-ng: that's a 64bit installation then
3413[21:44:50] <Patero-ng> jelly: k, I imaging grub is a 32bit app then
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3415[21:45:06] <jelly> grub is special.
3416[21:45:17] <Patero-ng> TomTomTosch: it's chrooted from a installed debian 8.4 on virtualbox
3417[21:45:43] <Patero-ng> anyway I'm gonna go test it now, crossing
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3425[21:48:56] <jelly> silverfall: afair, some parts of debian-installer are mandatory for translation, some are less used and optional
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3432[21:53:35] <jelly> silverfall: did you read replaced-url
3433[21:53:36] <seto> got a problem with my sound on debian 8 i have only hdmi listed as available this is my sound card from Audio device: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series High Definition Audio Controller (rev 0e)
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3437[21:55:58] <TomTomTosch> seto: does cat /proc/asound/cards list PCH or only HDMI ?
3438[21:57:03] <seto> 0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
3439[21:57:03] <seto> HDA Intel PCH at 0xd0914000 irq 106
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3441[21:58:06] <seto> not sure why it is not working
3442[21:58:16] <seto> i had the issue on ubuntu before as well
3443[21:58:23] <seto> damned if i can recall how i fixxed it
3444[21:58:43] <seto> got the pavucontrol or what ever installed etc
3445[21:59:18] <TomTomTosch> where do you see hdmi listed as the only option?
3446[21:59:19] <Brigo> seto, you can try this: replaced-url
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3448[21:59:22] <jelly> seto: what does "aplay -l" say (put the whole output on paste.debian.net and link here)
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3450[22:00:01] <silverfall> jelly: and you point me to a website that again doesn't answer my question. replaced-url
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3453[22:01:14] <seto> replaced-url
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3455[22:01:59] <jelly> silverfall: no? If you want to help translating, it tells you to join your language's i18n / l10n mailing list
3456[22:02:17] <markybob> silverfall: a) it does. b) you might want to know you're talking to an op
3457[22:02:23] <jelly> silverfall: what do you want to do?
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3463[22:03:34] <jelly> silverfall: do you want to fix inconsistencies on the web? Subscribe to the debian-replaced-url
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3465[22:03:53] <jelly> silverfall: debian is very large, there are dozens of subprojects
3466[22:04:26] <silverfall> markybob: i'm not a pushover that will treat people differently depending on their rank inside a community, unlike you. Tip: if you truly believe in something, stand for it
3467[22:04:33] <jelly> silverfall: so, to start, pick a part you're interested in.
3468[22:04:43] <seto> so any ways what i see right off the rip with hat i droped in the paste bin is all pch listings are for hdmi
3469[22:04:52] <seto> nothing for head phone jack or internal speakers
3470[22:04:54] <silverfall> jelly: I got it. I remember entering replaced-url
3471[22:05:19] <silverfall> thank you for the human answer
3472[22:06:18] <jelly> silverfall: your stance does seem more argumentative than it need be, esp. if you want to help
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3476[22:07:48] <jelly> seto: that's weird. how old is this machine? Perhaps a newer kernel would help
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3479[22:09:13] <seto> its a chrome book
3480[22:09:16] <seto> not very old though
3481[22:09:31] <seto> as for newest kernel likely already there
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3483[22:09:37] <seto> fresh deb 8 jessie install
3484[22:09:42] <jelly> dpkg, tell seto about jessie-backports
3485[22:09:47] <jelly> dpkg, tell seto about bdo kernel
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3487[22:10:54] <seto> ill look more at that in a bit
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3490[22:11:56] <seto> may end up needing to go back to ubuntu :\
3491[22:11:58] <jelly> using a backposted kernel is probably the easiest way to get newer alsa drivers with support for weird new hardware
3492[22:12:01] <seto> really dont want to ither
3493[22:12:07] <jelly> backported* kernel
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3500[22:13:31] <seto> ok how to add backports repo ?
3501[22:13:42] <seto> standard apt add etc
3502[22:13:50] <markybob> seto: replaced-url
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3506[22:15:25] <seto> yep got it
3507[22:16:15] <jelly> PM messages from the bot should have everything you need, including the line for sources.list
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3509[22:17:14] <seto> this is confusing as hell the way dpkg is explaining it
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3511[22:17:47] <jelly> the recipes in dpkg are very terse to fit in irc 500-character lines
3512[22:18:09] <jelly> still better than twitter
3513[22:18:25] <seto> lol yeh ...
3514[22:18:31] <markybob> the webpage link does well :P
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3517[22:19:09] <jelly> still, the command «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`» has to be confusing for anyone
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3524[22:21:01] <seto> the << is not part of it i assume
3525[22:21:16] <markybob> it's not
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3540[22:25:24] <seto> how the heck do i edit source.list?
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3542[22:25:38] <markybob> sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
3543[22:25:39] <seto> i can not open thunar as su or kate as su or any other damn editor
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3545[22:25:49] <seto> not on suders list it would seem
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3547[22:26:03] <seto> back to crapbuntu flavors i am starting to think
3548[22:26:06] <jelly> seto: sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list
3549[22:26:07] <markybob> su - then do nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
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3554[22:26:50] <jelly> but yeah, if you can't figure out how to edit files as root, maybe debian isn't for you, yet
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3557[22:27:12] <seto> what ever this is it is not the debian i have used for along time
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3560[22:27:32] <seto> on every ohter deb installi have used su kate opens kate as su
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3562[22:27:36] <jelly> editing sources.list has not changed in 20 years
3563[22:27:42] <seto> no crying about not being on suders list
3564[22:27:51] <aedinius> su kate opens kate as switch-user ?
3565[22:28:01] <seto> well sudo does
3566[22:28:03] <seto> rather
3567[22:28:11] <jelly> seto: I don't think so, debian's su or sudo never passed X11 authentication bits to the root shell
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3569[22:28:26] <markybob> sudo isn't even installed by default
3570[22:28:26] <seto> but when i type sudo any thing i get yelled at about not being on suduers
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3572[22:28:42] <aedinius> markybob: it is if you don't set a root password, and the first user is added to wheel
3573[22:28:45] <aedinius> or
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3575[22:28:57] <seto> any how right now i see deb lines and deb src lines
3576[22:28:57] <jelly> seto: then open a root shell with "su -" and use nano
3577[22:29:02] <seto> i assume both need put in
3578[22:29:02] <aedinius> sudo, wheel is the other distro
3579[22:29:20] <jelly> deal with sudo later if you want to have it
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3581[22:29:40] <jelly> seto: you do not need deb-src lines to just get binary packages
3582[22:30:28] <seto> LOL permision denied
3583[22:30:33] <seto> on write out
3584[22:30:48] <markybob> because you didn't su - as you were told
3585[22:30:48] <jelly> that usually means you were not running it as root
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3589[22:33:02] <seto> E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
3590[22:33:04] <seto> ....
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3592[22:33:22] <jelly> you forgot to do an update
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3594[22:33:51] <seto> well i didnt i hit up arrow instead of enter ...
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3596[22:34:13] <seto> hence the ... right after
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3599[22:35:55] <silverfall> jelly: people just download PO files and submit them somewhere?
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3602[22:36:30] <silverfall> what if two people are editing the same PO file at the same time? that'd be a waste of time and effort
3603[22:36:41] <seto> there it goes yeesh
3604[22:36:57] <seto> well on this slow mo net this will take a bit lol
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3608[22:38:57] <jelly> silverfall: there's this thing called git
3609[22:39:26] <jelly> and the thing when you talk to people in your localization team
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3611[22:40:16] <jelly> silverfall: I don't have any idea about actual workflow there, you'll have to find it out yourself. What's your native language?
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3613[22:41:47] <silverfall> I subscribed to the mailing list and joined the IRC channel, despite that I don't think the po files are in a git repository?
3614[22:42:14] <silverfall> at least nothing like that is mentioned anywhere
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3619[22:44:13] <teraflops> svn then?
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3624[22:46:02] <silverfall> jelly: oh sorry, I thought you did know
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3649[22:54:01] <seto> well that did nothing but remove my nonfree headers for my wifi
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3651[22:54:07] <seto> eg no wifi at all
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3653[22:54:20] <seto> same problem as before
3654[22:55:01] <meh__> how can i use sh_make for create a source package ?
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3663[22:58:04] <seto> well this sucks
3664[22:58:16] <seto> i need to upgrade my kernel and keep my wifi
3665[22:58:29] <seto> cant seem to have it both ways
3666[22:59:03] <jelly> seto: you probably want to install firmware-realtek from jessie-backports as well
3667[22:59:17] <seto> for intel hardware?
3668[22:59:31] <jelly> oh, mixed you up wi th someone else
3669[22:59:37] <jelly> seto: whcih wifi?
3670[22:59:43] <seto> my card also lists byt-max98090
3671[22:59:46] <seto> also intel
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3673[22:59:56] <jelly> seto: pastebin your lspci -nn
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3675[23:01:05] <seto> replaced-url
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3678[23:01:32] <jelly> judd: pciid 8086:08b2
3679[23:01:33] <judd> [8086:08b2] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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3682[23:01:55] <jelly> pfft, okay, that has to be iwlwifi
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3686[23:02:42] <jelly> seto: apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-iwlwifi or something
3687[23:03:04] <seto> well thats just it
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3689[23:03:08] <seto> cant
3690[23:03:16] <seto> under the other kernel no internet
3691[23:03:22] <seto> i have no lan on this thing
3692[23:03:31] <seto> so i cant apt get crap lol
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3694[23:03:46] <markybob> you can download it from the computer you're on and put it on a usb stick
3695[23:03:47] <jelly> seto: are you somehow unable to boot the old kernel, install stuff and boot back into the newer one?
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3697[23:03:56] <seto> im on the only comp i have
3698[23:04:10] <seto> yeh
3699[23:04:15] <jelly> why?
3700[23:04:19] <seto> but by all logic wifi should work
3701[23:04:29] <jelly> did you remove the default kernel?
3702[23:04:35] <seto> no
3703[23:04:37] <seto> im on it now
3704[23:04:44] <seto> 3.16 or what ever
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3706[23:05:02] <markybob> so...why can't you apt-get it?
3707[23:05:05] <jelly> seto: so install newer firmware now
3708[23:05:15] * jelly blinks
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3710[23:05:57] <seto> wifi is already newest version
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3714[23:06:48] <jelly> seto: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi"
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3717[23:07:02] <silverfall> jelly: why are the instructions to translate in chinese? replaced-url
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3719[23:07:14] <N3X15> One more HexChat restart, apologies for the reconnect spam and amsg.
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3721[23:07:36] <teraflops> no worries i have smart filter :P
3722[23:07:44] <seto> replaced-url
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3724[23:07:47] <TomTomTosch> silverfall: here you go replaced-url
3725[23:07:48] <jelly> silverfall: I have no idea, ask your localization team
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3729[23:09:34] <jelly> seto: ah, your sources.list will need updating.
3730[23:09:39] <jelly> !non-free sources
3731[23:09:39] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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3733[23:09:42] <jelly> seto: ^^
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3735[23:10:21] <jelly> seto: apply that change to all the deb repo lines on debian.org
3736[23:11:21] <silverfall> TomTomTosch: I was expecting a nice UI with socket based real time updates on what is being translated, turns out I have to download template files, rename them, edit headers, manually contact other translators, file bug reports.. etc
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3740[23:12:16] <TomTomTosch> well... doing work sounds like work.
3741[23:13:25] <TomTomTosch> but you can implement that feature. maybe people will find it useful.
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3747[23:15:00] <seto> yep done updating cache etc now
3748[23:15:08] <silverfall> 90% percent of that work could be automatized, that's what surprised me
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3756[23:17:02] <jelly> silverfall: I'm pretty sure help with automation and implementing a more modern workflow will be appreciated
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3788[23:27:34] <err401> I am trying to mount a drive, but receiving a conflict replaced-url
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3799[23:30:21] <seto> still just have hdmi in devices for sound
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3801[23:31:28] <jelly> seto: on 4.5, in "aplay -l" output? Then you're out of luck
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3804[23:32:13] <seto> no change what so ever
3805[23:32:18] <seto> exact same as before
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3807[23:32:43] <jelly> ask in #alsa and/or file a bug report for the kernel package
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3809[23:33:06] <seto> not even going to bother with this for bug reports
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3811[23:33:17] <seto> done seen the 100s of listings for it already
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3813[23:33:59] <jelly> for that particular chromebook model?
3814[23:33:59] <seto> now my moronic touch pad wont disable
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3817[23:34:26] <seto> pretty much on all of them
3818[23:34:30] <seto> theres a dozen of them listed
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3820[23:34:44] <seto> pretty much any thing that uses my hardware has this
3821[23:34:48] <gespertino> Hi.
3822[23:34:59] <jelly> seto: maybe you bought wrong hardware to run linux on
3823[23:35:00] <seto> entire freaking day wasted
3824[23:35:00] <gespertino> Is this the right channel for debian testing questions?
3825[23:35:05] <silverfall> jelly: some mailing lists are dead with no explanation whatsoever and the work-methodology is unreliable (no offense, I can explain it to you if you wish) so if this is happening with translations I couldn't imagine the blood and tears that would take just to be listened about implementing a more modern workflow
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3827[23:35:07] <jelly> !debian-next
3828[23:35:07] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
3829[23:35:11] <jelly> gespertino: ^^
3830[23:35:21] <seto> ubuntu kubuntu mubuntu mint all work
3831[23:35:39] <jelly> seto: so use one of those
3832[23:35:45] <seto> no reason why pure deb should not
3833[23:35:53] <gespertino> Ahh, a different IRC server. Goctha, thanks jelly
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3839[23:36:43] <jelly> seto: no reason except someone has to investigate what ubuntu's kernel people have done to make it work and replicate the fix, and some use to file a bug report and confirm whether the fix works
3840[23:36:58] <jelly> seto: shit doesn't get fixed on its own
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3843[23:37:58] <jelly> (sometimes it seems like it does, IF the fix is accepted upstream. That's why you tried the newer kernel)
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3846[23:39:51] <seto> ive tried pusle and alsa and all sorts of crap
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3849[23:40:33] <jelly> pulse is not relevant until you can get alsa to recognize how your hardware is connected
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3857[23:42:59] <jelly> seto: I'd file an installation report bug and note what worked and what didn't, even with jessie-backports kernel
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3860[23:43:34] <jelly> ,i installation-report
3861[23:43:35] <judd> Package installation-report (misc, optional) in jessie/amd64: system installation report. Version: 2.58; Size: 18.5k; Installed: 74k
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3867[23:45:21] <seto> well maybe a bit later on
3868[23:45:30] <seto> heres a funny foul up for ya though
3869[23:45:47] <seto> i went to burn a mint iso to usb using unetboot or what ever
3870[23:45:59] <seto> and miss clicked on to my main ssd for my chrome book
3871[23:46:03] <seto> the funny bit is
3872[23:46:16] <seto> i had a live boot fully running from my ssd lol
3873[23:46:32] <seto> pretty damn speedy to
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3875[23:47:02] <seto> for now i guess back to kbuntu 16.04
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3878[23:48:49] <jonaskoelker> Hi all. I dislike the description of Skype shown by e.g. vrms. If I edit /var/lib/dpkg/status to get rid of it, What Could Possibly Go Wrong(TM)?
3879[23:49:29] <tikund> what is better when setting up a software raid for the OS install, creating multiple raid arrays by creating identical partitions on both drive then creating a raid array for each partition or creating a raid array of empty partitions of each drive then letting the installer create partitions on then created raid array which is a single section of 'free space' to be partitioned
3880[23:49:33] <jonaskoelker> (and for another example, apt-cache show displays the same text)
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3883[23:50:44] <jonaskoelker> My plan is: make a copy of status; make my edit; diff the new version against the old. I'm the only person with root access to the machine. The worst case scenario I can think of is some cron (or other background) job.
3884[23:51:10] <jonaskoelker> Is fiddling with /var/lib/dpkg/status a common practice of cron jobs? I would like to strace future programs to find out, but the "future" part is in the way?
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3886[23:51:25] <jonaskoelker> s/?$// typo :-(
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3896[23:54:52] <jelly> jonaskoelker: vrms does not lie!
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3898[23:55:05] <jonaskoelker> jelly: of course he doesn't :D
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3905[23:56:05] <jonaskoelker> it says "skype [...] Wherever you are, wherever they are". I would like to change the marketing slogan, not the fact that it's listed under non-free
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3908[23:56:58] <jelly> jonaskoelker: in general, nothing ought to touch dpkg status file but package management tools themselves. However seeing it's just a text file, you can do edits like that if you're careful.
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3910[23:57:49] <jonaskoelker> also, I'm a very silly person: I strace'd apt-cache show to find out that /var/lib/dpkg/status was the go-to place, instead of just strace'ing vrms
3911[23:57:56] <jonaskoelker> <-- not a very technical person :D
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3914[23:58:19] <jonaskoelker> cool. If it goes wrong I blame you :p
3915[23:58:22] <jelly> jonaskoelker: you can also grab the skype-debian.deb you installed, unpack it someplace with dpkg -x skype.deb somedir/; dpkg -e skype.deb somedir/DEBIAN, then edit somedir/DEBIAN/control, then repack it back with dpkg -b somedir .
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3917[23:58:49] <jelly> then installed the freshly munged .deb
3918[23:58:52] <jelly> install*
3919[23:59:20] <jonaskoelker> yeah, I figured as much, but that sounded like a ton of headache
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3921[23:59:36] <jelly> a broken status file is a lot more headache
3922[23:59:42] <jonaskoelker> true :D
3923[23:59:51] <jonaskoelker> but that's what backups are for
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