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27 [00:13:55] <_aeris_> hi debian !
28 [00:14:05] <awwal> msg jud v gtk3-engines-breeze
29 [00:14:06] <_aeris_> is there any way to distrust intermediate CA certificate ?
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33 [00:15:30] <_aeris_> seems bluecoat, bad company offering mitm product, has obtain an intermediate CA with verisign : replaced-url
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64 [00:30:59] <galex-713> Hi, where’s libsdl2-dbg on testing? why is there libsdl2-*-{dbg,dev} and libsdl2-dev but no libsdl2-dbg?
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102 [00:46:17] <onlyquestions> Hey guys what's up, I need someone who knows debian VLC or any debian media lecture software for questions !
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108 [00:48:46] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. Is it possible to run debootstrap in an LXC container? The default apparmor policy prevents it from mounting the special fss like /sys and /proc.
109 [00:49:13] <onlyquestions> Anyone familiar with debian vlc
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111 [00:49:15] <Pegasus_RPG> Perhaps a better question is: is it unwise to run debootstrap in an LXC container?
112 [00:49:18] <galex-713> onlyquestions: what do you mean by “know”?
113 [00:49:27] <galex-713> Everybody know VLC
114 [00:49:32] <galex-713> Then, as al
115 [00:49:39] <galex-713> *always, don’t ask to ask, just ask
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122 [00:52:36] <onlyquestions> galex-713: Basically I'm using VLC on a cheap VPS. I feed of a 1080p stream. My question is, "is there a way to ease the CPU workload by modifying options on VLC (reducing quality to 720p/480p etc.., change codec) or even change media player
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126 [00:53:53] <onlyquestions> galex-713: I spent quite some time in debian's VLC advanced options but didnt find anything very useful
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129 [00:55:10] <Artemis3> hmm cheap vps
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139 [01:00:48] <Pegasus_RPG> onlyquestions: you're using VLC as a server or to watch soemthing?
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141 [01:01:55] <onlyquestions> Pegasus_RPG: Sorry for the poorly worded question, i'm using vlc to watch something
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144 [01:02:25] <onlyquestions> Pegasus_RPG: For instance a live football game
145 [01:03:07] <Paianni> vlc can't transcode on the fly
146 [01:03:09] <irwiss> onlyquestions: pretty sure changing codec/resolution will require transcoding which is going to be even heavier on the cpu
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151 [01:04:02] <Paianni> youtube uses separate video files for different resolutions
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153 [01:04:12] <onlyquestions> irwiss: You're right I guess, I tried changing the codec to ascii art just to see if it would ease the CPU, results +20% workload
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157 [01:06:44] <onlyquestions> Is there any way, stable or in dev, to ease the CPU workload when you watch something coming from a 1080p stream ? Is there a solution to truncate quality to 720p / 480p / etc... without extra CPU load ? Is there a media player on debian less heavy than vlc ?
158 [01:06:47] <irwiss> onlyquestions: well ascii art is a toy so i doubt anyone spent time optimizing it, but encoding video in general is a heavy task
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163 [01:08:05] <teraflops> onlyquestions: you like ascii? try this one replaced-url
164 [01:08:21] <zykotick9> onlyquestions: "Is there a media player on debian less heavy than vlc" you might want to try mpv
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167 [01:08:45] <soee> !package jpegtran
168 [01:08:55] <zykotick9> onlyquestions: BUT... i doubt it'll help easing 1080p streaming :(
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170 [01:09:35] <teraflops> mpv has hw acceleration even on console --vo=opengl:backend=drm-egl
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175 [01:11:18] <onlyquestions> I'm a noob when it comes to advanced media player micromanagement, but according to you, when you feed of a 1080p stream, is there any way to reduce CPU load ? I know i'm repeating myself but I'm trying to get some general answers, with some research based on your answers I might find the solution to my problem
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179 [01:12:27] <teraflops> onlyquestions: there's a lot of things better than putting vlc in a vps for streaming media
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181 [01:13:44] <onlyquestions> For a lot of reasons I need vlc to stay on my vps ^^, I know it sounds weird but it's all part of a bigger project
182 [01:14:24] <teraflops> yeah it sounds weird, but whatever floats your boat
183 [01:14:51] <Pegasus_RPG> if it's a part of a project, definitely check out mpv
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185 [01:15:27] <onlyquestions> Another question then, is playing 720p / 480p etc.. less heavy on CPU than streaming 1080p, and is converting a 1080p feed to 720p / 480p cpu heavy
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187 [01:15:40] <Pegasus_RPG> onlyquestions: ^ and the other thing to consider is what codec the video stream is in. Some codecs are more CPU-intensive than others
188 [01:15:47] <onlyquestions> I'll try MPV when I run out of options on VLC ^^
189 [01:15:56] <dTal> also depends if the computer has a DSP
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191 [01:16:11] <dTal> it might not be CPU heavy at all, if it's all offloaded :)
192 [01:16:18] <Pegasus_RPG> if you can offline-transcode the source to a less-CPU-heavy codec, that may suit you. (But network usage will generally increase)
193 [01:16:20] <teraflops> oh transcoding is cpu intensive
194 [01:16:57] <Pegasus_RPG> onlyquestions: you might also look at the mjpegtools set
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196 [01:17:03] <onlyquestions> Sorry for the streaming 1080p, I wanted to say "playing 1080p"
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199 [01:17:29] * awwal Wonders if anyone needs really Skype desktop app now that web dot skype dot com exists...
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202 [01:18:20] * zykotick9 Wonders why anyone uses Skype anything...
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204 [01:18:50] <deb> whats wrong with skype?
205 [01:18:53] <onlyquestions> So basically any considerable change a video's CPU workload will require to transcode the video, which also increases CPU workload
206 [01:19:02] <onlyquestions> change to a *
207 [01:19:06] * cruncher wonders if web dot skype dot com can also do video and voice calls
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209 [01:20:08] <teraflops> well you can even ssh + export DISPLAY=:0 + mpv things
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215 [01:20:59] <dTal> although VLC *does* have a curses interface
216 [01:21:04] <teraflops> cvlc
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218 [01:21:31] <teraflops> is it curses? (cvlc)
219 [01:21:32] <irwiss> onlyquestions: is there some reason you can't just tunnel the stream directly and view on local pc?
220 [01:22:29] <onlyquestions> I could do that but I really need the VLC to display in a VPS's graphical env. It's fine don't feel obliged to help me in my weird project ^^
221 [01:22:48] <silverfall> he won't tell you so you don't steal his golden idea
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223 [01:22:56] <onlyquestions> Anyway thanks guys
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226 [01:23:06] <onlyquestions> I'll try MPV if nothing's usable on VLC
227 [01:23:09] <onlyquestions> tytytyty
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231 [01:24:58] <teraflops> deb: whats wrong with skype? -> all of it
232 [01:25:18] <awwal> Whos is behind the mozilla . debian . net repository? And who builds the firefox one can get from there? Main debian devs or a third party people fro Mozilla?
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237 [01:27:20] <silverfall> and that was the next steve jobs
238 [01:27:31] <zykotick9> awwal: the same people that package firefox in debian main
239 [01:28:08] <awwal> zykotick9, ok, thanks
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241 [01:29:03] <teraflops> silverfall: :P
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263 [01:47:02] <lucas-arg> hello, can someone help me with one thing
264 [01:47:12] <mtn> maybe
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266 [01:47:17] <lucas-arg> i would like to find fastest backports for my system
267 [01:47:32] <lucas-arg> backports repos i mean
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269 [01:48:37] <lucas-arg> if thats possible
270 [01:48:41] <mtn> lucas-arg: I think you can use the mirror you already use. see the backports webpage
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274 [01:49:46] <teraflops> does apt-spy already exists?
275 [01:50:00] <teraflops> exist*
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280 [01:52:41] <Brigo> teraflops, ask judd :)
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282 [01:53:11] <teraflops> ,v apt-spy
283 [01:53:12] <judd> Package: apt-spy on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1-19; sid: 3.2.2-1; wheezy: 3.2.2-1
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287 [01:53:59] <lucas-arg> i cant use backports from my current source
288 [01:54:09] <zykotick9> teraflops: well, no jessie package means "no it doesn't exist in debian" ;)
289 [01:54:54] <teraflops> lucas-arg: why?
290 [01:55:02] <markybob> lucas-arg: no one can by default. edit your sources.
291 [01:55:14] <lucas-arg> i have
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293 [01:55:45] <lucas-arg> deb replaced-url
294 [01:55:56] <markybob> lucas-arg: no
295 [01:56:01] <lucas-arg> deb replaced-url
296 [01:56:02] <teraflops> ereplaced-url
297 [01:56:04] <markybob> lucas-arg: please read the instructions
298 [01:56:17] <markybob> lucas-arg: backports.debian.org/Instructions/
299 [01:56:40] <teraflops> markybob: i cannot click that url !
300 [01:56:47] <lucas-arg> got it
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302 [01:56:56] <markybob> teraflops: i hate you :/
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304 [01:57:02] <teraflops> markybob: nah sorry
305 [01:57:10] <markybob> :)
306 [01:57:41] <lucas-arg> problem is that from ftp.debian.org download is slow
307 [01:57:48] <teraflops> markybob: btw did i miss something looks like people are avoiding to paste urls here
308 [01:57:50] <lucas-arg> just wanted to add backport from another source
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321 [02:01:19] <teraflops> lucas-arg: pick backports from the thcc.uba.ar repos
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324 [02:02:05] <teraflops> well ^ from ftp.ccc.uba.ar
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337 [02:04:36] <lucas-arg> teraflops: how to do that??
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341 [02:05:07] * mtn wonders why people don't want to read instructions
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344 [02:05:45] <markybob> who fucking knows. the /topic is too hard to read
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346 [02:06:01] <mtn> oops
347 [02:06:04] <teraflops> ^
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350 [02:06:28] <mtn> markybob: there is a topic? :P
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352 [02:06:42] <teraflops> the default konversation quit message does not help :P it looks like a ragequit anyway
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356 [02:07:30] <teraflops> markybob: I cannot see the topic i never leave the irc _motu propio_ so it's waaaay up in the buffer
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358 [02:07:52] <no0bs1337> Hi
359 [02:07:55] <teraflops> heh sorry ^ need to sleep
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362 [02:08:15] <markybob> teraflops: you cant just type /topic in your client?
363 [02:08:20] <teraflops> yeah
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365 [02:09:27] <markybob> i use irssi which gives one line at top for /topic. i never see shit. but before i talk i check
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367 [02:11:00] <teraflops> markybob: nah youre right I'm just bad at jokes
368 [02:11:29] <markybob> :P
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375 [02:14:16] <aleksa> I changed mouse sensitivity to slow, but it remains somehow fast. I move it a bit and it moves a lot :(
376 [02:14:23] <aleksa> How to turn it off completely?
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390 [02:22:51] <zykotick9> ^ i see they are gone - but i'm curious. if you set mouse sensitivity to "high" does the mouse move slower?
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396 [02:25:15] <markybob> zykotick9: not here. i have two settings. sensitivity and acceleration. xfce
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398 [02:25:31] <JoSenHo> Hello I've got a defective hard drive and my partitions are no longer listed in gparted. How can I rescue the data from a live cd?
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400 [02:25:45] <zykotick9> markybob: i don't really have options for mouse (at least not gui options) in dwm ;)
401 [02:25:51] <zykotick9> markybob: thanks BTW
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403 [02:25:56] <TacoGS> Lovely, Touchpad on P55W-B5220 Toshiba Satelite laptop works in EUFI but when Debian loads it no longer works, not even in Windows
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406 [02:26:38] <markybob> JoSenHo: you're using the gparted live cd and you don't see anything?
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408 [02:27:14] <JoSenHo> markybob I see as if I had not made any partitions on the disk
409 [02:27:21] <JoSenHo> e.g. I see unallocated 500gb
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412 [02:27:52] <markybob> JoSenHo: did you recently do something stupid or do you really believe it's a bad drive?
413 [02:28:19] <JoSenHo> I am certain it's a bad drive
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415 [02:28:36] <Nuri> I have not yet solved the problem of flash player :( debian 8.4.0 :/
416 [02:28:44] <Nuri> 64bit
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418 [02:28:57] <markybob> JoSenHo: then you're screwed. you can send it in to a professional service...but yeah.
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423 [02:30:07] <JoSenHo> markybob isn't there anything I can do to at least save some data? gparted had this "attempt data rescue" option but it froze
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425 [02:30:57] <markybob> JoSenHo: not in my experience. i assume when you turn on the drive you hear a weird sound?
426 [02:31:11] <JoSenHo> The drive does make a strange clicking sound sometimes
427 [02:31:15] <zykotick9> markybob: the "click of death" sound?
428 [02:31:24] <markybob> zykotick9: right
429 [02:31:38] <markybob> JoSenHo: yes. that's done.
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431 [02:32:47] <teraflops> replaced-url
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440 [02:35:55] <rjif> JoSenHo, I recomend trying Ddrescue if you have free time and there is important files you need to attempt to recover
441 [02:36:11] <JoSenHo> The error I get at startup is "gave up waiting for root device... ALERT /dev/sda/by-uuid/... does not exist" I googled about this but all suggested solutions required me to be able to identify partitions in programs such as gparted. if I could only get to that point...
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445 [02:36:51] <zykotick9> JoSenHo: if you are hearing clicking... i hope you have a backup.
446 [02:37:02] <JoSenHo> rjif: I've heard of ddrescue: it's on my "data rescue programs to try" list. I'm currently on a live linux distro which is the first entry in the list
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448 [02:37:10] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello again. I was trying to run debootstrap in an LXC container but AppArmor wasn't allowing it, so I disabled it for that container. Debootstrap ran fine then. But now another container suddenly stoppped working properly (services no longer start.) Does that mean I corrupted /proc /sys and/or /dev/pts on the host? In either case, what's the best way to recover?
449 [02:37:20] <JoSenHo> zykotick9: I do not have a backup :( that's why I'm trying to recover some data
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451 [02:37:41] <zykotick9> JoSenHo: that's a "user error" issue :( Best of luck.
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454 [02:38:12] <JoSenHo> zykotick9: I did not have the possibility of making a backup before the drive failed
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457 [02:38:42] <markybob> JoSenHo: honestly, get a beer. make yourself feel better. it's fucked if you don't have money
458 [02:38:48] * zykotick9 isn't sure how that is possible...
459 [02:38:49] <armin> replaced-url
460 [02:39:04] <armin> should be pretty obvious what my question about that is.
461 [02:39:06] <armin> any hint?
462 [02:39:50] <zykotick9> "should be" <- but, perhaps isn't...
463 [02:40:08] <markybob> nor do i care to work for it
464 [02:40:46] * zykotick9 guesses it's the no bugs in December...
465 [02:41:00] <rjif> JoSenHo, If you have another device like a usb drive you can copy the image to, install gddrescue and cross your fingers. If it is failing and not dead, time could be an issue now
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467 [02:41:12] <zykotick9> ^ Santa is my answer ;)
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470 [02:42:09] <JoSenHo> rjif: I will try ddrescue next then
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472 [02:45:05] <Pegasus_RPG> What does debootstrap actually do with /proc /sys /run /dev/pts and so on?
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487 [02:57:10] <aewens> Does anyone here have any experience with systemd?
488 [02:57:55] <markybob> !anyone
489 [02:57:55] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
490 [02:58:20] <zykotick9> aewens: nope... i use jessie, but systemd... never used it... ;)
491 [02:59:14] <zykotick9> ^ if it wasn't clear </sarcasm>
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493 [02:59:33] <aewens> My issue is that I've been trying to get some simple bash scripts to run on boot, but whenever I try making a systemd service, they all fail to work.
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495 [02:59:52] <markybob> so stop and cheat
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497 [02:59:56] <markybob> !rc.local
498 [02:59:56] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>.
499 [03:00:22] <mutante> come on, a minimal unit file for that is just a few lines
500 [03:00:30] <mutante> looking for the example link
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502 [03:00:45] <aewens> Right, that's a thing. I just quit using Arch and went to Debian earlier today. Forgot about rc.local
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504 [03:01:58] <aewens> For argument's sake, this is the template I'm using (replaced-url
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507 [03:02:39] <mutante> aewens: replaced-url
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509 [03:02:54] <aewens> And the /etc/init.d/minecraft file is this: replaced-url
510 [03:03:02] <JoSenHo> Quick question: When you had to created an extended partition because you needed so many, are the partitions inside the extended partition usually logicall or primary?
511 [03:03:21] <mutante> aewens: basically that i pasted, but in the commandline. forget about init.d and rc.local and use "systemctl" to control it
512 [03:03:25] <markybob> JoSenHo: logical
513 [03:03:46] <mutante> aewens: that would be actually using systemd
514 [03:03:46] <aewens> I'll try that, one moment.
515 [03:04:01] <JoSenHo> thx markybob
516 [03:04:10] <aewens> Yeah, I've been using systemctl, they end up either failing or being marked "dead"
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518 [03:05:05] <mutante> aewens: start with the most minimal unit file, put it into /etc/systemd/system/something.service . try "systemctl status" on that, then start adding more options if you need them
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521 [03:05:58] <mutante> aewens: the "WantedBy" is what makes it start at boot
522 [03:06:03] <markybob> aewens: you did edit these scripts, right? not just copy them?
523 [03:06:24] <aewens> Yeah, I edited them. You can see the one I did in the link I made.
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526 [03:07:11] <markybob> aewens: no. your link was terrible
527 [03:07:34] <aewens> What was wrong with it?
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532 [03:10:17] <markybob> aewens: "Description=Your cool bash script" and you want me to take you seriously
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534 [03:10:51] <aewens> That was from mutante, this one was mine: replaced-url
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536 [03:11:23] <mutante> that's what you call an example to make obvious what you replace
537 [03:12:39] <aewens> Yes, I know that. I'm just not understanding why he's referring to your example to criticize the service unit I originally had...
538 [03:12:57] <mutante> me neither, it was obviously just words
539 [03:13:03] <mutante> to put in the description
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544 [03:15:01] <aewens> mutante: Anyways, after using the template (and replacing the appropriate parts with what I need), I'm still running into the same issue "Active: inactive (dead) since Thu 2016-05-26 20:14:03 CDT; 3s ago"
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550 [03:17:10] <mutante> aewens: maybe try it with a very simple command first, then confirm it works and replace only the script. also there is a dedicated channel #systemd and this replaced-url
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557 [03:19:10] <mutante> aewens: section 8.6.2 here is basically what i pasted and have in use in RL replaced-url
558 [03:19:25] <mutante> heh, sorry for the redhat link on debian channel
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612 [03:53:27] <aewens> To those who care, the issue was a lack of "RemainAfterExit=yes" in the service unit.
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627 [04:06:51] <dTal> aewens: I don't care, specifically, but good on yer for following up :)
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744 [05:47:10] <Gaiseric> Hello everyone... I've got a strange issue, and would like to avoid a reboot (to many programs open with unsaved stuff)... Suddenly the X server stopped refreshing the screen, although it does so when switching to a virtual console (Alt-Ctrl-F1) and back. Switching needs almost a minute. I'm using irssi from the console (thank god for the tmux session!). dmesg spews bunch of stacktraces (one for each
745 [05:47:16] <Gaiseric> CPU) every time I switch, mentioning intel_display.c and intel_crtc_wait_for_pending_flips.
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747 [05:48:00] <Gaiseric> Obviously something related to intel's display driver got corrupted, the question is whether I can somehow save my X session
748 [05:48:28] <Gaiseric> ...maybe reload the offending module? What's its name?
749 [05:48:38] <Gaiseric> s/to/too
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752 [05:49:23] <nkuttler> what's wrong with starting by saving your stuff?
753 [05:49:43] <Gaiseric> well, it's mainly graphical programs
754 [05:50:00] <Gaiseric> and the screen is frozen when I switch to X
755 [05:50:20] <Gaiseric> I can shutdown them gracefully with SIGTERM but that's it
756 [05:50:48] <Rusty1_> what is the cpu and kernel?
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758 [05:51:24] <Gaiseric> Jessie (3.16?) and a Haswell i7 mobile
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763 [05:55:19] <nkuttler> Gaiseric: you might get lucky with xmove
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768 [05:57:52] <nkuttler> or maybe you can launch a vpn server..
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770 [05:57:56] <Gaiseric> nkuttler: no xmove in path, and no package with such name. What does it do?
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772 [05:59:39] <Rusty1_> nkuttler: Gaiseric is it xpra now ?
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774 [06:00:12] <nkuttler> ah, no, looks like that won't work
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776 [06:01:19] <Gaiseric> Rusty1_: indeed, xpra it is! I'll keep it in mind for the future...
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783 [06:06:01] <Gaiseric> Any idea what's the intel module's name to use with modprobe?
784 [06:06:58] <nkuttler> lsmod | grep int
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786 [06:07:11] <nkuttler> but i don't think you can reload a module that accesses hardware anyway
787 [06:07:41] <jmcnaught> Gaiseric: lspci -k | grep -A2 VGA
788 [06:07:55] <jmcnaught> also i don't think you can reload a module that's in use
789 [06:08:21] <jmcnaught> so Gaiseric i would try and do what you can to save unsaved files before anything else.
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791 [06:08:38] <jmcnaught> i haven't used xpra but if it can attach to a running X session it's worth a shot
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793 [06:08:46] <Gaiseric> Yeap, I don't think it'd help, either
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795 [06:09:21] <Gaiseric> I'll try xpra (probably can't attach to an existing session though)
796 [06:09:30] <Gaiseric> ...and then it's SIGTERM time!
797 [06:09:56] <Gaiseric> In any case, thanks for your help everyone :D
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802 [06:12:48] <cilkay> Hello. I've created a Debian virtual machine to deploy an AngularJS/Node.js application and I've created an admin control panel in Django to create a YAML file used by SaltStack to configure the VM. This all works. On the console of the VM, I don't need or want to have any login prompt. I just want to be able to display various messages.
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804 [06:13:26] <cilkay> I've installed lightdm and it seems perfect because it's pretty lightweight. How can I eliminate the login prompt on lightdm completely?
805 [06:13:51] <cilkay> At least on TTY1. I don't care if there are login prompts on any of the other TTYs.
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807 [06:15:10] <jmcnaught> cilkay: you don't to have the option of accessing console for rescue or emergency purposes?
808 [06:15:36] <cilkay> Nope. These are disposable appliances and we can always ssh into them if necessary.
809 [06:16:03] <cilkay> The use case isn't much different than an embedded device.
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816 [06:18:50] <jmcnaught> cilkay: installing X and a display manager seems a little overboard. If text output is fine you could look into how systemd handles ttys. I know you can disable tty1 by disabling the getty@tty1.service
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819 [06:20:06] <cilkay> Yes, I could do that and I don't mind the 200M of extra packages in our base image because we can provide much more useful information with a DM.
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821 [06:21:25] <nkuttler> if you only have text messages just write them to a file? seems really cumberson to open a vm just to see some text..
822 [06:21:32] <jmcnaught> cilkay: wouldn't it make more sense to have the logging and messages centralized some how, maybe accessible in a web interface? displaying a server application's messages on an Xorg screen in vmware console sounds kinda odd
823 [06:21:45] <nkuttler> indeed
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828 [06:23:13] <jmcnaught> and sometimes have console access means not having to reboot when you cannot SSH into a machine, but i guess the new way is to have lots of instances and it's okay for nodes to go down
829 [06:23:23] <cilkay> You're not "opening a vm just to see some text". You're starting a VM which has a full web application. On first boot, you need to know the IP address to browse to in order to config the web application with things like db connect strings.
830 [06:23:58] <nkuttler> um. dhcp?
831 [06:24:04] <cilkay> The users of this application know nothing about Linux. Even if they could get a shell, they'd have no idea what to do with it.
832 [06:24:06] <nkuttler> static ip config even
833 [06:24:26] <cilkay> eth0 is provisioned via dhcp
834 [06:24:48] <cilkay> How do you know what that IP address is short of looking at the dhcp server's log and matching it up the MAC address of the VM/
835 [06:25:03] <cilkay> It has to be displayed on the console of the VM.
836 [06:25:15] * nkuttler shrugs
837 [06:25:58] <nkuttler> unless people randomly start different apps you could just give your vms hostnames..
838 [06:26:32] <cilkay> We have no idea what they would want for a hostname so they specify that on first boot in the web application.
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840 [06:27:57] <jmcnaught> cilkay: are people self-hosting these VM instances, or are they centrally hosted?
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842 [06:28:09] <cilkay> self-hosting on Windows Server
843 [06:28:59] <cilkay> These are Windows shops. They know nothing about Linux and to make it easy for them, we give them a no-brainer web form to fill out things like static IP, hostname, domain name, db connect strings, revision of software they want to run, etc.
844 [06:29:31] <cilkay> On save of that form, that kicks of a Salt process that puts the machine in the desired state.
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848 [06:30:02] <cilkay> While Salt is doing it's thing, it's sending progress messages to the web frontend over a websocket so they know that it's doing something.
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855 [06:33:24] <jmcnaught> cilkay: sounds like a problem that would be better solved with installation documentation, or by having a default hostname that clients navigate to when they first start up the VM
856 [06:33:54] <cilkay> jmcnaught: You're right that I can use a plain old console to display the same thing but we've heard comments that our application looks "old". Sizzle sells so we'll install a framebuffer or some light DM, like lightdm, and put some nice graphics on that GUI console.
857 [06:34:06] <jmcnaught> cilkay: however you might look into nodm instead of lightdm if you want to go this complicated route
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861 [06:35:00] <Gaiseric> bye everyone!
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864 [06:35:19] <jmcnaught> cilkay: for the record i don't think it's a very good approach, and doing the initial config in a browser is what i'd work on.
865 [06:35:29] <cilkay> Well, it's pretty uncomplicated for our users. The complexity of this is well-hidden and with one image, we target VirtualBox, VMWare, and Hyper-V.
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867 [06:35:42] <cilkay> We *are* doing the initial config in a browser!
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869 [06:36:06] <jmcnaught> cilkay: in a browser not running on the VM's console
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871 [06:36:13] <cilkay> Correct.
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873 [06:36:20] <cilkay> We're doing that now.
874 [06:36:31] <cilkay> I don't need a browser running in the VM's console.
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877 [06:37:32] <cilkay> I just need the VM's console to be nothing more than a pretty face telling me to go to replaced-url
878 [06:37:53] <cilkay> I don't need or want a login on that "pretty face".
879 [06:38:39] <cilkay> There is no reason this couldn't be done with an autologin user with a whiptail script as their default shell.
880 [06:38:45] <cilkay> It's just as "pretty".
881 [06:38:53] <cilkay> It's *not*, rather.
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883 [06:39:14] <rozie> cilkay: take a look on linuxlogo
884 [06:39:36] <cilkay> If I could do this with a framebuffer that would work in VirtualBox, VMWare, and Hyper-V, I'd be perfectly happy with that.
885 [06:39:58] <cilkay> rozie: Thanks. I'll do that.
886 [06:40:13] <rozie> it's not the framebuffer
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888 [06:40:23] <rozie> it's just fancy text prompt
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890 [06:41:19] <rozie> replaced-url
891 [06:41:36] <cilkay> rozie: Tough to Google for that. replaced-url
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893 [06:41:44] * cilkay looking at your link
894 [06:42:08] <cilkay> Yes, same thing.
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898 [06:45:58] <cilkay> I tried qingy earlier today and couldn't get it working. replaced-url
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900 [06:46:33] <cilkay> There is a package for Jessie, too.
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905 [06:50:06] <luxio> damn, qt-sdk is quite the large download
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934 [07:02:43] <luxio> Is it a bad idea to have a CRON to run `apt-get autoremove` daily??
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936 [07:03:39] <jmcnaught> luxio: yes that is a bad idea. you should always run that manually so you can see what it wants to remove and decide for yourself
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938 [07:04:22] <jmcnaught> luxio: another bad idea, combining "-y" with autoremove, remove, or purge
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958 [07:15:16] <enaunimes> My id output shows: uid=1000(username) gid=1000(username) groups=1000(username),27(sudo). what does "27(sudo)" mean?
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963 [07:17:25] <enaunimes> Just found out myself. Brain stopped working for a while.
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1003 [07:38:05] <cluelessperson> I keep running into this REALLLY annoying issue where I install debian with USB and it doesn't install grub
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1010 [07:41:26] <jmcnaught> is it a computer with nvme storage?
1011 [07:41:32] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I don't know what that is
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1013 [07:42:02] <jmcnaught> some sort of new bus for SSDs, instead of SATA
1014 [07:42:03] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I installed debian with encrypted LVM, and I'm at a grub menu, grub>
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1016 [07:42:12] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I think this is PCI SSD
1017 [07:42:30] <cluelessperson> My AES throughput is like 1.2 GB/s
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1020 [07:42:56] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, do you know if I can install grub here and now to start this encrypted boot?
1021 [07:43:04] <jmcnaught> the reason i ask is because i've seen a few others unable to install grub in the installer with nvme devices
1022 [07:43:29] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: boot the installer in rescue mode. it has an install grub feature
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1026 [07:43:42] <KINgGh0sT> I just did a fresh install of Jessie but it will not find my analog audio only my HDMI out, how can I fix this?
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1028 [07:44:22] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, Thank you, I will attempt that. Thank you much
1029 [07:44:37] <jmcnaught> KINgGh0sT: did you try pavucontrol and/or the sound settings in gnome or kde?
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1031 [07:44:55] <KINgGh0sT> jmcnaught, I'll try that now
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1034 [07:46:46] <MaBunny> hey guys
1035 [07:47:03] <KINgGh0sT> jmcnaught, well for sure the Gnome panel only has HTDM and S/PDIF
1036 [07:47:06] <KINgGh0sT> HDMI sorry
1037 [07:47:16] <MaBunny> how do i give superuser status to a program tht i installed by apt-get
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1039 [07:47:29] <MaBunny> i mean everytime i run it....without su/sudo
1040 [07:48:05] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I selected Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk, and it gives me no option
1041 [07:48:23] <cluelessperson> it flashes to the next screen and wants to overwrite the encrypted medium
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1044 [07:48:59] <jelly> MaBunny: make an alias that calls sudo yourapp, use alias?
1045 [07:49:01] <jmcnaught> KINgGh0sT: what do "aplay -l" and "lspci -nn | grep -i audio" say?
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1047 [07:49:24] <KINgGh0sT> jmcnaught, yeah pavucontrol also only has hdmi, i'll try those now
1048 [07:49:25] <MaBunny> jelly how???
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1050 [07:49:49] <avis-> does anyone have the most latest up to date kernel compiled for debian jessie in .deb format they'd be willing to share with me ?
1051 [07:50:01] <jelly> MaBunny: alias rls="sudo ls", put it in your ~/.bash_profile
1052 [07:50:13] <KINgGh0sT> jmcnaught, replaced-url
1053 [07:50:35] <MaBunny> and???
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1055 [07:50:53] <jelly> MaBunny: that's it, no and
1056 [07:51:07] <KINgGh0sT> jmcnaught, I'm trying to get my sound routed through my 4.1 speakers not the hdmi in the end
1057 [07:51:09] <jmcnaught> judd: pciid 1022:780d
1058 [07:51:10] <judd> [1022:780d] is 'FCH Azalia Controller' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
1059 [07:51:34] <jelly> MaBunny: from that point on you can use rls as a normal command
1060 [07:51:41] <jelly> inside bash
1061 [07:51:50] <MaBunny> thnx
1062 [07:52:31] <MaBunny> in my home dir,theres a profile file...i cant find bash_profile
1063 [07:52:37] <cluelessperson> I'm stuck now. :/
1064 [07:52:46] <avis-> KINgGh0sT, if your using a gui the sound icon when you click on it should have drop down list for you to pick device routing source
1065 [07:52:57] <MaBunny> oh silly me :P
1066 [07:53:15] <KINgGh0sT> avis-, that's the problem it's only showing hdmi and spdif :(
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1069 [07:53:42] <avis-> kernels not seeing doesn't mean it wont work can you get information from lspci ?
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1074 [07:54:44] <avis-> once you have lspci google is your resource to getting it to work in debian. same solution for ubuntu could possibly work for debian.
1075 [07:55:11] <KINgGh0sT> avis-, replaced-url
1076 [07:55:22] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: it wants to overwrite the encrpyted medium? what exactly does it say?
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1081 [07:56:27] <avis-> KINgGh0sT, it doesn't make sense i can no longer help you for some reason that soundcard is definitely supported google for why my ALC889 isn't working in debian <jessieforinstance> should be your next step
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1083 [07:57:35] <KINgGh0sT> avis-, I believe this happened then pulse replaced alsa
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1086 [07:58:26] <jelly> alsa is still there.
1087 [07:58:49] <avis-> if you can't undo what you did you must backup and reinstall. how to undo what you did relies on you to know what you did or find what you did.
1088 [07:59:03] <avis-> i'm not bottom line for that tho.
1089 [07:59:24] <MaBunny> jelly: i put alias Sconky="sudo conky -c ./A.conkyrc " in ".profile" file but it says
1090 [07:59:38] <MaBunny> command not found
1091 [07:59:44] <KINgGh0sT> I reformated in hopes a clean install would get it to work, Thanks for the help anyhow
1092 [07:59:45] <jmcnaught> KINgGh0sT: what do you get from "pacmd list-sinks" ?
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1094 [08:00:36] <avis-> MaBunny, if you have a startup applications GUI selector you can have it do something like ./A.conkyrc && assuming it doesn't require root
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1096 [08:00:58] <jelly> MaBunny: 1) I didn't say .profile but .bash_profile, create the latter if it does not exist 2) log off and back on after editing it
1097 [08:00:59] <MaBunny> it requires root for logging avis
1098 [08:01:17] <MaBunny> and i hav set it up but just a lil
1099 [08:01:28] <MaBunny> ok
1100 [08:01:36] <avis-> i tried i appologize hopefully someone else can help
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1102 [08:01:41] <MaBunny> then i will hav to close a lot of apps :(
1103 [08:01:50] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, When I select "install grub to hard drive", the screen flashes, and it then proceeds towards installation to a hard drive (format, install base system ,etc)
1104 [08:01:53] <cluelessperson> so it's not working
1105 [08:01:53] <MaBunny> avis me///
1106 [08:01:57] <MaBunny> ???
1107 [08:02:05] <MaBunny> no need...idk
1108 [08:02:09] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, do you know how to get to console and just run grub install?
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1110 [08:02:28] <avis-> yes MaBunny i don't know how to give an app permission as gui is loading that has root
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1113 [08:02:51] <KINgGh0sT> jmcnaught, replaced-url
1114 [08:03:10] <MaBunny> avis...you ma pal
1115 [08:03:19] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell cluelessperson about reinstall grub
1116 [08:03:39] <avis-> thanks MaBunny. i wasn't the solver though.
1117 [08:03:43] <MaBunny> but i found a lot of interesting stuff in google though...my install looks great
1118 [08:03:51] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: if it's an UEFI system you'll want to also mount /boot/efi
1119 [08:03:54] <MaBunny> :D
1120 [08:04:10] <avis-> may your greatness only be known to you and those you choose
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1122 [08:04:28] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: running conky as root doesn't sound right to me. was that in a guide, official conky documentation?
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1124 [08:05:12] <MaBunny> no...but it apparently seeks root permission for logging purposes jmcnaught
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1129 [08:06:00] <KINgGh0sT> jmcnaught, could this be fglrx issue?
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1131 [08:06:39] <jmcnaught> KINgGh0sT: your paste lists two cards, one with an HDMI port, and a second with lineout and headphones.
1132 [08:07:25] <MaBunny> jmcnaught...any reasons why not to??
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1135 [08:07:38] <MaBunny> its there in the repos
1136 [08:07:59] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: using conky is fine, don't run it as root
1137 [08:08:06] <avis-> the ALC889 isn't working though jmcnaught and that is also supported and it was stated that "something" that gave the system pulseaudio made it disappear.
1138 [08:08:07] <MaBunny> why??
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1140 [08:08:40] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: because root is only for making system changes, otherwise you don't use it.
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1142 [08:08:56] <MaBunny> hmm
1143 [08:09:05] <avis-> MaBunny, logging can also be done for user only. does that help ?
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1145 [08:09:15] <MaBunny> avis...is there a way to log in conky ...
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1147 [08:09:25] <MaBunny> ok...tell me bro
1148 [08:09:41] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: what do you want it to log, and why can't conky log to your $HOME?
1149 [08:09:50] <avis-> MaBunny, i have no idea
1150 [08:09:52] <MaBunny> idk how to
1151 [08:09:55] <KINgGh0sT> jmcnaught, alsactl init made it work!
1152 [08:10:02] <MaBunny> haha...very funny avis
1153 [08:10:08] <KINgGh0sT> jmcnaught, thanks for the help it works now!
1154 [08:10:27] <jmcnaught> KINgGh0sT: oh yeah? cool i hope it keeps on working :)
1155 [08:10:48] <avis-> MaBunny, not for honesty MaBunny. and i was only trying to help. you an expert at heart breaking people ?
1156 [08:11:06] <MaBunny> ???
1157 [08:11:16] <MaBunny> avis....
1158 [08:11:27] <MaBunny> you are giving me the creeps
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1160 [08:11:41] <MaBunny> ok bye logging off
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1165 [08:13:04] <aedinius> I would ask what MaBunny was trying to do, because what he's said so far hasn't actually explained what he tried to do, but it's too late
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1186 [08:27:19] <cluelessperson> Okay, Debian just failed again
1187 [08:27:33] <cluelessperson> I cannot install debian, because it will not properly install grub
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1191 [08:28:20] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: what does it say on tty4 when it fails? BIOS or UEFI? which image are you using to install, how did you transfer it to USB?
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1193 [08:28:26] <MaBunny> avis- you there pal???
1194 [08:28:35] <aedinius> MaBunny: what are you trying to do
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1196 [08:28:57] <MaBunny> no...i removed the part tht required su
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1198 [08:29:10] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I'm sitting at grub>
1199 [08:29:10] <aedinius> k
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1209 [08:33:47] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I have no idea what to do. google yields very little info
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1272 [09:10:02] <Seppel> Hello guys
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1278 [09:10:50] <Seppel> Hello?
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1285 [09:12:25] <Seppel> i need help guys ?
1286 [09:13:49] <awwal> !help
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1288 [09:14:26] <awwal> dpkg: what is help
1289 [09:14:27] <dpkg> Enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client, or replaced-url
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1291 [09:14:46] <awwal> dpkg: help
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1293 [09:15:06] <awwal> dpkg: tell Seppel about help
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1297 [09:15:29] <Seppel> my cock is to small
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1301 [09:16:04] <aedinius> Seppel: disable non-free and remove all packages flagged by vrms
1302 [09:16:05] <aedinius> NEXT.
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1306 [09:16:49] <Seppel> can somone blow my cock and hit Toni
1307 [09:16:51] <Seppel> Please
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1309 [09:17:14] <Seppel> I need somone he stuff my ass
1310 [09:17:20] <awwal> !Ops Seppel
1311 [09:17:21] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: awwal complains about: Seppel
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1313 [09:17:34] <Seppel> i need anal power
1314 [09:17:40] <Seppel> ddos me 8.8.8.8
1315 [09:17:45] <Seppel> fuck up
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1328 [09:23:35] <seprob_> Hello.
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1332 [09:26:35] <seprob_> I want to block all outgoing packets ("iptables -A OUTPUT -j DROP") and then allow to open some site ("iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -d site_IP -j ACCEPT"). But when I want to to enter the site it freezes. I also added "iptables -A OUPUT -p udp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT"). What I'm doing wrong?
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1354 [09:37:42] <aedinius> seprob_: you need to allow for established traffic
1355 [09:38:01] <aedinius> seprob_: iptables -I INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
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1369 [09:48:04] <seprob_> aedinius, but all incoming connections are allowed. Input chanin is empty. I added your rule but it didn't help.
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1373 [09:49:42] <jelly> seprob_: you also want to allow related,established packets to be able to exit your system (in OUTPUT table)
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1375 [09:50:11] <jelly> else your current tcp connections, eg. your ssh session will break
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1384 [09:54:22] <cluelessperson> So right now, I cannot install debian, because the installer fails to install grub properly
1385 [09:54:58] <cluelessperson> Debian install just completed, I chose to use entire disk and setup encrypted LVM, I'm sitting at grub>,
1386 [09:55:01] <cluelessperson> What do I do?
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1395 [09:58:28] <seprob_> jelly, I added this rule tu output chain but it still doesn't work.
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1428 [10:24:50] <unborn> morning guys.. when I add myscrip.service into systemd - is it running as root or ?
1429 [10:25:03] <jelly> cluelessperson: do you have a separate unencrypted /boot partition or not?
1430 [10:25:33] <jelly> seprob_: can you see outgoing packets with tcpdump?
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1443 [10:31:03] <cluelessperson> jelly, No.
1444 [10:31:08] <vlt> seprob_: If you put the ACCEPT rule *after* (-A) the DROP rule the packets won’t make it there.
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1450 [10:31:28] <cluelessperson> I've just booted a debian live iso, I've decrypted the partitions, and mounted things, and chrooted into the partitions
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1452 [10:31:45] <cluelessperson> jelly, do you now how I can instalal grub for uefi and LUKS from there?
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1458 [10:34:11] <jelly> cluelessperson: I have no idea how grub's own support for luks works, sorry
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1460 [10:35:33] <cluelessperson> yup, so debian is finally screwing me
1461 [10:35:42] <cluelessperson> jelly, (thanks though)
1462 [10:35:45] <hiya> no one has helped me regardling how to access notification menu in the bottom
1463 [10:35:48] <hiya> in Gnome edition
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1471 [10:40:36] <seprob_> vlt, that is solution. Thank you.
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1486 [10:48:17] <catphish> a lot of guides i see recommend installing "linux-headers-$(uname -r)", is there not a metapackage to handle this and keep it up to date, or is there some good reason to install a specific version?
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1491 [10:50:07] <TomTomTo1> catphish: this is a meta package. you just have to specify which architecture you want.
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1493 [10:50:49] <catphish> TomTomTosch: thanks, i saw "linux-headers-amd64", i'll use that, i just wasn't sure why it wasn't commonly referenced in tutorials
1494 [10:51:56] <TomTomTosch> catphish: because not everyone wants / uses amd64. uname -r outputs the arch of the kernel in use.
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1496 [10:53:22] <catphish> TomTomTosch: except it doesn't, it outputs the kernel release number, "linux-headers-$(uname -m)" would make more sense but that's not what people suggest
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1499 [10:54:08] <catphish> thanks anyway, i'll use the metapackage
1500 [10:54:24] <TomTomTosch> catphish: right. linux-headers-amd64 just pulls linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64
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1509 [10:58:25] <cluelessperson> :/
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1518 [11:01:00] <cluelessperson> FOUND THE BUG
1519 [11:01:02] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
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1541 [11:07:10] <\renaud> Hello
1542 [11:07:56] <\renaud> I haven't done any openvpn tunnel since systemd appeared. Before, itwas automatically starting every client connection under /etc/openvpn, but now it seems nothing starts
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1544 [11:08:12] <\renaud> is there anything special to do?
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1551 [11:11:18] <shadonovitch> Hi guys, i've installed debian with gnome recently and I have a few problems, care to help
1552 [11:11:20] <cluelessperson> \renaud, your slash is obnoxious
1553 [11:11:21] <shadonovitch> ?
1554 [11:11:46] <cluelessperson> \renaud, restart the openvpn service
1555 [11:11:53] <shadonovitch> Like, i have the impression that my main account hasn't enough rights. For example, it doesn't appear in the sudoers file
1556 [11:12:01] <shadonovitch> Or the fact that i can't run cmake without being root
1557 [11:12:05] <shadonovitch> What should I do ?
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1559 [11:14:13] <KINgGh0sT> I cannot get the radeon drivers to work this is my xorg crash log replaced-url
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1563 [11:20:05] <dirigess> Hi guys, I'm trying to install Debian Stretch on a Chromebook. Turns out netsurf-gtk's missing on stretch, and that makes me unable to complete chroot setup. How do I bypass this in installation?
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1572 [11:25:43] <markybob> !tell dirigess about debian-next
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1574 [11:26:13] <dirigess> thanks markybob!
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1577 [11:26:57] <KINgGh0sT> how polished is stretch?
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1579 [11:27:39] <markybob> KINgGh0sT: it's not. that's why it's called testing
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1585 [11:29:52] <AlexPortable> I created a custom debian iso with txt.cfg and isolinux.cfg. How do I do the same for uefi?
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1588 [11:30:31] <dirigess> markybob so here's the thing - I installed jessie and it worked perfectly, but the problem is I need a package called r-base-core 3.2.0, and there's no way I can update it on jessie, so I need stretch instead.
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1593 [11:31:19] <markybob> dirigess: okay. tell them :P
1594 [11:31:38] <dirigess> well I did
1595 [11:31:41] <dirigess> and that's on hold
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1597 [11:31:55] <dirigess> so I figured I might as well find a way to install stretch in the meantime
1598 [11:32:01] <TomTomTosch> ,v r-base-core
1599 [11:32:02] <judd> Package: r-base-core on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.1-6; wheezy: 2.15.1-4; jessie: 3.1.1-1+b2; jessie-backports: 3.2.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.3.0-1; sid: 3.3.0-2
1600 [11:32:14] <TomTomTosch> jessie-backports has 3.2.5
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1602 [11:32:43] <TomTomTosch> !tell dirigess about jessie-backports
1603 [11:32:55] <KINgGh0sT> I guess I have to give up on the radeon package and goto fglrx
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1606 [11:38:07] <KINgGh0sT> Anyone know how to deal with screen tearing on fglrx?
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1608 [11:39:13] <\renaud> cluelessperson: I have restated the service, called the config something else than client.conf, but that does not work
1609 [11:39:34] <\renaud> before systemd, it looked at *.conf and started them shen restarting the service
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1616 [11:41:43] <\renaud> this systemd thing is a PITA, many things which worked just fine in the past don't work correctly anymore
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1624 [11:44:37] <MaBunny> has anyone here dirtied his/her hands in configuring conky???
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1626 [11:45:02] <dirigess> TomTomTosch how do I message you
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1628 [11:45:23] <TomTomTosch> dirigess: you can ask your question here.
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1630 [11:45:55] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny: just ask if you have a problem.
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1632 [11:46:58] <MaBunny> conky has these 3 options in its settings:- #own_window_type,own_window_transparent,own_window_hints
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1634 [11:47:51] <MaBunny> when i remove the hash sign...the letters and symbols write over each other
1635 [11:48:06] <dirigess> TomTomTosch how exactly do I get to jessie backports via chroot??
1636 [11:48:13] <dirigess> single question mark, sorry
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1638 [11:48:29] <dirigess> makes me sound like an obnoxious fuck if there's another one
1639 [11:48:38] <MaBunny> dirigess you are in shell right???
1640 [11:48:45] <markybob> same way you do it normally. you read replaced-url
1641 [11:48:51] <dirigess> oh, gotcha
1642 [11:48:53] <MaBunny> yeah
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1644 [11:49:08] <dirigess> so I just install jessie
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1646 [11:49:15] <VietnamFlashback> GOOOODD
1647 [11:49:17] <VietnamFlashback> mOOOORNNNING
1648 [11:49:19] <VietnamFlashback> VIEETNAAM
1649 [11:49:21] <dirigess> and then edit sources.list
1650 [11:49:26] <markybob> dirigess: yes
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1655 [11:49:31] <MaBunny> yeah
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1657 [11:49:39] <dirigess> you guys are lifesavers
1658 [11:49:40] <MaBunny> VietnamFlashback hello
1659 [11:49:43] <dirigess> thanks guys
1660 [11:49:47] <dirigess> means a lot
1661 [11:49:57] <MaBunny> goes to markybob
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1663 [11:50:23] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny: what do you wish to achieve?
1664 [11:50:46] <MaBunny> i want a transparent conky...not black screen one
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1666 [11:51:12] <TomTomTosch> 'own_window_transparent yes' i think it was.
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1675 [11:52:37] <MaBunny> yes but applying true to either of those three gives hazy output on screen in my system
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1696 [12:00:11] <TomTomTosch> is it a gray bg or just flickering?
1697 [12:00:28] <MaBunny> its writing over itself
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1708 [12:09:51] <nikil22> Hi i am trying to create a deb package after doing make using "checkinstall" and it ask me description which i have to type manually , so how can i pass that in cli so that i can automate it
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1727 [12:21:18] <rmx77> hey all
1728 [12:21:21] <rmx77> whats goin down
1729 [12:21:38] <bazhang> debian support
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1736 [12:23:13] <antZero> do you guys think FTP is good for daily use?
1737 [12:23:17] <antZero> Or should I switch to sFTP?
1738 [12:23:21] <markybob> fuck no
1739 [12:23:40] <markybob> !ftp must die
1740 [12:23:40] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE! replaced-url
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1746 [12:24:44] <rmx77> well i am on the raspbian varient lol but anyhow looks like there isnt much in the way of browsers and such i think
1747 [12:24:45] <antZero> Oh gawd, I'm so disinformed. Thank you
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1749 [12:25:14] <archer121> Does anyone have any experience using a RFID Reader/Writer with linux?
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1760 [12:30:07] <Paddy> hello, i am trying imagemagick since some time but i cant find the binary (apt-file show, etc.)
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1762 [12:31:09] <petemc> Paddy: dpkg -L imagemagick
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1766 [12:32:20] <Paddy> that shows only the package info as single item of a list
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1771 [12:35:14] <petemc> Paddy: it shows all files that the package installs, pipe it through grep bin
1772 [12:35:23] <markybob> Paddy: you need to read some docs. it's a collection of tools. like conver, import, etc
1773 [12:35:25] <Paddy> for me it does not
1774 [12:35:31] <markybob> convert*
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1776 [12:36:34] <petemc> Paddy: pastebin the output of the command
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1778 [12:36:43] <Paddy> why is there an icon in the menu tnen
1779 [12:37:22] <petemc> i suspect you confused L for l
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1781 [12:37:51] <Paddy> the list is the same as the one from apt-file show
1782 [12:38:00] <markybob> Paddy: the command for that is identify-im6
1783 [12:38:26] <markybob> so you're not going to paste things and just keep talking
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1785 [12:39:04] <Paddy> you guys are too aggressive for my taste. i think i keep the problem unsolved
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1787 [12:40:01] <AlexPortable> I created a custom debian iso with txt.cfg and isolinux.cfg. How do I do the same for uefi?
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1851 [13:30:24] <AlexPortable> I created a custom debian iso with txt.cfg and isolinux.cfg. How do I do the same for uefi?
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1863 [13:34:31] <shibly> What's the command to know about gpu?
1864 [13:36:00] <bazhang> sudo lshw shibly
1865 [13:36:22] <shibly> Yes, i did it
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1867 [13:36:29] <shibly> Which part describes about gpu?
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1869 [13:36:38] <shibly> *-display?
1870 [13:36:39] <bazhang> pastebin it
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1875 [13:37:53] <shibly> replaced-url
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1904 [13:48:36] <_learningpapa_> shibly, sudo lshw -class display
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2085 [15:03:35] <noqnio1> hey
2086 [15:03:54] <noqnio1> can i install debian on a usb drive? and create something like a persisten live usb
2087 [15:04:00] <noqnio1> persistent*
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2090 [15:04:19] <shadows> noqnio1: I'd guess you'd use a USB drive as the install target
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2092 [15:04:37] <noqnio1> it cant be that simple :D
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2095 [15:05:25] <shadows> performance won't be very good by default
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2097 [15:05:29] <MaBunny> noqniol: you can...i do
2098 [15:05:42] <MaBunny> its just like the normal process
2099 [15:05:58] <shadows> i.e. the livecd on USB of other distros uses some tricks to speed up operations
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2102 [15:06:42] <babilen> noqnio1: replaced-url
2103 [15:06:46] <MaBunny> its better if you install the system as a normal one
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2106 [15:08:23] <noqnio1> i was looking for an encrypted live usb solution in order to carry around a mini version of my pc
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2120 [15:11:09] <MaBunny> the normal installation has something of an LVM encrypted installation guide
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2124 [15:12:12] <noqnio1> is encrypting flash drives safe? maybe i should just keep personal information out of it
2125 [15:13:20] <MaBunny> you wont be able to store every bit of info in a pendrive...you will need a hard disk
2126 [15:13:45] <shadows> MaBunny: there are 256gb pendrives...
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2128 [15:13:46] <MaBunny> i hav in my system a root dir and a home dir...both ext4
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2131 [15:14:20] <MaBunny> and a 1 tb ext hard disk which is fat file structure
2132 [15:14:44] <noqnio1> if you are talking about space, i'm pretty sure i can fit a basic system with all i need in under 10gb
2133 [15:14:46] <MaBunny> it wont be able to store my 350gb and above collection of movies :P
2134 [15:14:54] <noqnio1> well, of course
2135 [15:15:03] <MaBunny> yeah mines 16gb pendrive...but
2136 [15:15:26] <MaBunny> installing debian on a pendrive isnt a problem :D
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2138 [15:15:35] <shadows> noqnio1: encryption will likely wear out the memory cells (is that the correct word?) on USB flash storage
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2141 [15:15:58] <shadows> noqnio1: so it's only safe if you mean safe that it is somewhat secure
2142 [15:16:24] <shadows> noqnio1: additionally there are memory controllers on usb flash devices and those could be potentially be re-written with malicious code
2143 [15:16:36] <MaBunny> encryption means tht when you use your encrypted system...its open to you and all
2144 [15:16:41] <shadows> uncommon today but used by nation spying entities already
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2147 [15:16:56] <MaBunny> but its encrypted when plugged into another running system
2148 [15:17:16] <shadows> yeah
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2151 [15:17:44] <MaBunny> i didnt get tht point when trying the encrypted guide :)
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2154 [15:18:14] <noqnio1> well if it is encrypted when you use it, how is it supposed to work :p
2155 [15:18:35] <MaBunny> yeah thts right
2156 [15:18:37] <shadows> noqnio1: segmentation
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2162 [15:20:31] <shadows> noqnio1: make a user account that is encrypted, with encrypted temporaries (swap, relocation for memory routines), and that dumps the session into a different encrypted store periodically to start fresh
2163 [15:21:02] <shadows> use TOR on VPN with a good quality random number generation source
2164 [15:21:12] <shadows> don't tell anybody you're doing any of this
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2169 [15:21:51] <noqnio1> i was more interested in keeping my personal files in case i lost the pen drive
2170 [15:22:03] <shadows> keeping them?
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2172 [15:22:11] <noqnio1> keeping them personal
2173 [15:22:12] <noqnio1> :p
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2176 [15:22:25] <shadows> oh, encrypted home directory is good enough for you
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2178 [15:22:39] <shadows> no use messing about with the whole system
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2181 [15:23:19] <shadows> also look at getting something like a YubiKey although I personally don't trust it, that would be the most user friendly thing and less hardware investment than a smartcard
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2183 [15:24:10] <shadows> weak passwords up to 26 symbols are becoming trivial to crack and are just the thing bored young technologists do for sport
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2187 [15:25:15] <noqnio1> i already have a password solution, thank you though
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2189 [15:25:49] <shadows> glad you're interested in encryption!
2190 [15:26:07] <shadows> everybody on earth with a bank account or a phone should be...
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2196 [15:28:15] <noqnio1> indeed
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2206 [15:30:45] <xarragon> IS there a way to check if my ext4 filesystem inside a crypto partition with a luks header is aligned properly to the filesystem block size? I have already checked the physical partitions.
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2210 [15:31:34] <noqnio1> is block alignment a big issue? one of my partitions has been misaligned for like 4 months
2211 [15:32:05] <xarragon> noqnio1: Well, for an SSD you cut performance and longevity in half.
2212 [15:32:06] <ksk> if you maximum performance sure its an issue
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2214 [15:32:16] <ksk> *if you want
2215 [15:32:30] <xarragon> Or well, longevity might be depatable, depends on writing.
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2218 [15:34:04] <xarragon> I know LUKS headers are padded to 4K boundaries, I guess I have to check the inner GPT table since it is not usualy used inside a cryptopart like this
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2221 [15:34:49] <xarragon> Maybe I should write a small tool out of this, once the knowledge is gathered it is basically just running a number of utilities from a shell and looking at a few numbers
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2226 [15:36:39] <MaBunny> guys is there a chan for conky???
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2228 [15:37:33] <babilen> "/msg alis list *conky*"
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2230 [15:38:07] <MaBunny> yes found one
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2247 [15:45:28] <ingodid> i'm trying to enable a wireless dongle
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2250 [15:45:42] <ingodid> lshw shows it as *-netowkr DISBALED"
2251 [15:45:54] <ingodid> but it looks like all the drivers are installed
2252 [15:46:02] <ingodid> how can i enable the adapter?
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2254 [15:46:43] <roger`> Hi, how come squid3 still shows up in sysv-rc-conf after i removed it ?
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2258 [15:47:38] <ksk> roger`: what do you mean, there is still an init script? look where its from like that: "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/squid3"
2259 [15:47:44] <ksk> will tell you which package its from
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2265 [15:49:32] <roger`> ksk: there is no more /etc/init.d/squid3
2266 [15:49:36] <roger`> thats strange
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2268 [15:49:52] <roger`> maybe something in the sysv-rc-conf cache/conf
2269 [15:49:55] <AlexPortable> How can I set the resolution for x window manager on system boot?
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2275 [15:50:01] <AlexPortable> now it's just stuck on 800x600
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2279 [15:51:37] <ingodid> ip link set wlan0 up response with "RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory"
2280 [15:52:03] <AlexPortable> I start the GUI with startx /usr/bin/iceweasel
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2287 [15:53:54] <ingodid> from what i've read, i'm that means i'm missing something
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2296 [15:59:14] <noqnio1> ingodid: i would try to reinstall the firmware
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2306 [16:01:53] <AlexPortable> ?
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2317 [16:04:18] <ingodid> config "configuration: broadcast=yes driver=zd1211rw driverversion=3.2.0-4-686-pae firmware=N/A link=no multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 8 "
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2319 [16:04:34] <ingodid> don't think i ever did to tell you the truth
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2328 [16:07:01] <ingodid> ok - tracking down firmware now
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2338 [16:13:40] <aleksa> how to reduce mouse speed? I set it on minimum using GUI options („Mouse and touchpad” on Cinnamon).
2339 [16:14:08] <aleksa> I have dual boot with Win and it's normal in Win, but here it's so fast. :(
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2341 [16:15:03] <ingodid> was indeed a firmware issue...thanks
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2345 [16:18:28] <aleksa> I've found it: xinput --set-prop insert_device_id_here "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" 1.75
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2347 [16:18:33] <aleksa> in my case it's 1.75
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2349 [16:18:44] <aleksa> it is adviced to use number 3
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2353 [16:19:33] <aleksa> Do I have to set it every time my system loads?
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2357 [16:21:11] <mframe> is there a difference between stretch-updates and stretch-proposed-updates ?
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2423 [16:43:56] <antZero> How can I edit partition sizes on Debian?
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2425 [16:44:18] <balance> hi
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2427 [16:44:25] <antZero> Should I use fdisk? This will keep the GRUB configuration, right? (I dual-boot windows)
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2429 [16:45:06] <balance> I want to do wget replaced-url
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2438 [16:48:40] <sharp15> i'm having trouble with a ssh access to an up to date debian-8 (jessie) box working across a lan. anyone have an idea? i'll get a few charcters typed and have to wait to type more. during the "hang" Ctrl+C results in ^C printed on the screen when it starts responding again.
2439 [16:50:13] <silverfall> sharp15: ping that computer and check if the latency is okay
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2446 [16:53:16] <sharp15> silverfall: i'm guessing it isn't. suddenly seeing 1-2ms become 600-1800ms.
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2449 [16:53:46] <sharp15> silverfall: no such issues with the router itself though.
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2453 [16:54:25] <silverfall> what about the cpu/ram load of that box
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2460 [16:56:34] <sharp15> i'll look. though it is just a kde desktop.
2461 [16:57:18] <silverfall> no wifi involved in your lan network, right?
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2463 [16:57:41] <sharp15> silverfall: both machines are wifi. but the debian box will do this even if i plug it into a hardline.
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2470 [16:59:44] <balance> does wget not work with url encoding? e.g. wget replaced-url
2471 [16:59:49] <jelly> sharp15: can you avoid wifi completely, like pinging your provider's dns cache servers, or google.com from that debian system?
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2474 [17:00:04] <sharp15> silverfall: usage is. cpu 0.1% (not sure if 1 or both cores), ram is slightly over 1/3 used.
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2476 [17:00:11] <jelly> balance: that's not a valid URL at all
2477 [17:00:27] <jelly> balance: missing protocol:// and missing / after the hostname
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2480 [17:01:02] <sharp15> jelly: in progress. one moment.
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2482 [17:01:08] <silverfall> sharp15: even if you plug your debian box, the machine you're connecting with is still on wifi
2483 [17:01:13] <sharp15> also the wifi card is a rtl8188ce
2484 [17:01:19] <sharp15> silverfall: yes.
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2486 [17:01:20] <silverfall> ping the router from here
2487 [17:01:27] <jelly> sharp15: you may find the "mtr" tool to be useful
2488 [17:01:46] <jelly> in addition to just ping
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2491 [17:02:45] <balance> jelly, hmm wget does seem to work fine with replaced-url
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2493 [17:03:10] <jelly> balance: what's the actual output message?
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2497 [17:03:35] <sharp15> also the interval between events seems to speed up if i leave the connection open longer.
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2500 [17:04:05] <jelly> balance: be careful, your shell can interpret ? as glob character, like *
2501 [17:04:27] <balance> JelmerD, oh I'm on a VM playing around so it doesn't matter if I crash it :P
2502 [17:05:01] <balance> jelly, so I do wget replaced-url
2503 [17:05:02] <balance> which gives me 404 wheras the version with ? works fine.
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2533 [17:12:39] <stoned> What's a good lightweight wordprocessor (don't need too many features, just need to be able to do rtf or something like formatting and openoffice/libre/etc. seem too heavy
2534 [17:12:49] <stoned> And multiple tabs
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2536 [17:13:14] <balance> stoned, if u r on windows wordpad
2537 [17:13:16] <stoned> Don't need whole office suite
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2539 [17:13:21] <stoned> not rtf
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2541 [17:13:29] <stoned> It doesn't have to be that soryr
2542 [17:13:34] <stoned> I just meanl ike dif sized fonts and etc.
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2546 [17:14:14] <sharp15> is there a way to shutdown a wifi connection started through /etc/network.d ?
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2548 [17:14:53] <stoned> I'm just trying to write these days. I've got stuff written in nano, my primary editor but I want something w/ diff font sizes and gui, now. But not a whole office suite, But just a word processor w/ multiple tabs where I can have diff topics I Write about, each in a diff tab
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2552 [17:15:45] <jmcnaught> stoned: have you tried abiword? I don't think it's tabbed, but it's lightweight
2553 [17:16:08] <stoned> I have. Tabs would be nice.
2554 [17:16:10] <stoned> :)
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2563 [17:18:05] <jmcnaught> some window managers can do tabs, but the selection of wordprocessors is kinda slim
2564 [17:18:20] <jmcnaught> lyx might have tabs, but it's not wysiwyg
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2567 [17:18:49] <stoned> hmm.
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2572 [17:19:11] <stoned> Perhaps I should use maybe an online editor? I dunno. Eventually they'll be needing to go on my blog.
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2575 [17:19:34] <stoned> For now I'm thinking. And brainstorming.
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2577 [17:19:47] <stoned> I'll use abiword for now.
2578 [17:20:39] <stoned> Ohdude
2579 [17:20:59] <stoned> it IS MDI. Tabs. Menu based window selection, same thing. This will do just fine.
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2582 [17:21:29] <stoned> Next to help menu is the Documents menu, lists all the open windows in abiword, mdi app. nice
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2586 [17:22:41] <stoned> I wodner. I'll peek at the source too. Maybe I can use the methods that display the windows in the menu an dover load them to display the windows as toolbar buttons maybe.
2587 [17:22:51] <stoned> Ok wicked. thanks, bye now
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2637 [17:43:38] <antZero> I noticed that I had no space left on my machine and rebooted. Now it won't boot up , just a still dash on console
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2641 [17:44:13] <antZero> I can boot into recovery, how can I resize partition to allocate more space to debian? (Dual booting with win)
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2648 [17:47:17] <SirLagz> antZero: is there any free space left on the drive or is it all partitioned already?
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2657 [17:48:58] <mazert> hello, on debian stable jessie, my internal keyboard works randomly on my acer laptop. Sometimes, I have to reboot 3-4 times before it works. Any ideas ? thanks in advance
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2659 [17:49:29] <antZero> SirLagz: All partitioned, but the Windows Partition is almost empty
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2661 [17:49:53] <antZero> Can I access the partition tool debian includes in the installer, someway?
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2664 [17:52:13] <SirLagz> antZero: personally I'd use something like the GParted live CD to resize your partitions rather than trying to do it on the CLI.
2665 [17:52:23] <SirLagz> antZero: much easier to do that way.
2666 [17:52:28] <antZero> ye it makes sense
2667 [17:52:36] <antZero> downloading gparted iso right now
2668 [17:53:32] <sharp15> is there anything in a kernel config that could cause a sudden jump in ping times? for examble 1-2ms to 600-1800ms
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2672 [17:54:44] <sharp15> its an ssh connection between a gentoo and debian box on a lan. both wifi, neither one seems to have this problem any other time. just trying to decide if i made a mistake on gentoo.
2673 [17:55:33] <SirLagz> sharp15: I'd blame the wifi. try it with ethernet?
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2679 [17:57:02] <sharp15> SirLagz: usually similiar problem. cannot seem to replicate it at the moment.
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2684 [17:58:11] <jakbeatz> Hi, I have a 6 port SFP+ NIC and I'm trying to figure out if there is way to identify the physical ports on the NIC somehow from within /proc or /sys. I know the PCI device ID, and I know the ethX interface number. But I can't find a way to correlate that data with the physical port. I manually created a lookup table, but that isn't really a sca
2685 [17:58:11] <jakbeatz> lable option.
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2687 [17:59:21] <sharp15> SirLagz: ok. i'll just blame realtek and give up. thanks.
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2689 [17:59:45] <SirLagz> sharp15: haha
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2693 [18:00:32] <deego> I have a machine running unprotected by UPS, debian stable. Whenever power goes off, some random package in /usr gets corrupted. Why would that be the case? Wouldn't stuff in /usr have had ages to "sync()" ?
2694 [18:01:27] <sharp15> and i just realized how tired i am. i thought this was #gentoo. </facepalm>
2695 [18:02:04] <ksk> deego: you are asking why you always loose files in /usr as you dont write there often? good question
2696 [18:02:16] <antZero> sharp15 I had the same exact problem
2697 [18:02:22] <deego> ksk: YES
2698 [18:02:24] <antZero> ssh lagging hard over local network
2699 [18:02:28] <deego> oops, sorry for the caps
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2701 [18:02:46] <sharp15> antZero: did you find a successful fix?
2702 [18:03:36] <antZero> nope
2703 [18:03:45] <antZero> used ethernet and /ff
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2707 [18:05:45] <sharp15> my irc acronyms aren't all up to date. /ff ?
2708 [18:05:56] <sharp15> sorry.
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2710 [18:07:11] <sharp15> antZero: ok. thanks.
2711 [18:07:13] <antZero> that's not irc, it's me playing too many online games
2712 [18:07:38] <antZero> stands for forfeit, surrender
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2715 [18:08:02] <antZero> You can maybe fix finding alternatives drivers or playing with the settings, I guess
2716 [18:08:18] <sharp15> ok. sorry. i wasn't familiar with that one.
2717 [18:08:25] <antZero> :-)
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2719 [18:08:41] <sharp15> alternative drivers is unlikely. the realtek chips use a proprietary firmware.
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2724 [18:09:13] <Tenkawa> is there a way to get debian installed with secure boot as ubuntu has gotten to work?
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2727 [18:09:41] <Tenkawa> I would prefer regular debian however secure boot has to stay enabled
2728 [18:10:01] <sharp15> last time i cheap out on a laptop wifi card.
2729 [18:10:28] <jml2> sharp15, there are realtek firmware drivers but its from non-free
2730 [18:10:47] <Tenkawa> sharp15: is it one of those r8723bs units?
2731 [18:10:52] <Tenkawa> those things are "fun:"
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2733 [18:11:35] <sharp15> jml2: i have them installed. they are just buggy/old and not updated for new kernel versions (or something?) i'm assuming you mean "firmware-realtek"
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2735 [18:11:51] <jml2> sharp15, you using a backports kernel?
2736 [18:11:53] <sharp15> Tenkawa: no rtl8188ce it uses the rtl8192 driver.
2737 [18:11:58] <Tenkawa> oh fun
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2739 [18:12:53] <sharp15> jml2: no. just standard debian. the card became unstable/unusable in another machine and i replaced that whole laptop. hadn't had a problem yet with this one.
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2741 [18:13:46] <jml2> some hardware is not supported well on older kernels
2742 [18:14:14] <sharp15> jml2: this one seems to be getting worse with newer ones. multiple distributions.
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2746 [18:16:32] <jml2> sharp15, makes no sense
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2748 [18:16:45] <sharp15> i know.
2749 [18:16:46] <jml2> sharp15, you're talking about a laptop wifi
2750 [18:16:53] <jml2> sharp15, where is the "card" ?
2751 [18:17:06] <sharp15> jml2: yes. its a laptop wifi card.
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2754 [18:17:24] <jml2> sharp15, dmesg |grep -i fail
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2760 [18:19:50] <jml2> sharp15, you can try to upgrade the realtek firmware package from backports and see if it works better
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2764 [18:21:11] <vlt> Hello. I have a server that suddenly stopped responding to any network packets. I connected to it via a serial console to see that it’s running fine but syslog looks like this: replaced-url
2765 [18:21:21] <sharp15> jml2: your dmesg request results in something about acpi disabling ASPM and being unable to find a dependency for display-manager.service.
2766 [18:21:46] <jml2> sharp15, can you determine what relteak-firmware package is installed?
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2768 [18:22:29] <Tenkawa> isnt there a version file in /proc somewhere for active firmware loaded?
2769 [18:22:55] <Tenkawa> or maybe /sys
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2771 [18:23:23] <sharp15> jml2: firmware-realtek version 0.43
2772 [18:23:31] <Tenkawa> that should give the version at least of what he has installed
2773 [18:23:43] <jml2> sharp15, what does uname -a say?
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2775 [18:24:38] <sharp15> it worked fine on gentoo when i first purchased it (i didn't have a debian machine then) and about a year later realtek version reved the firmware and it just kept getting worse over time.
2776 [18:24:54] <jml2> sharp15, you can't determine what kernel you're using?
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2779 [18:25:11] <sharp15> jml2: uname -a is "3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux"
2780 [18:25:26] <jml2> sharp15, try to install kernel and firmware from backports
2781 [18:25:34] <AlexPortable> How to start a program in x session with current resolution?
2782 [18:25:36] <jml2> !tell sharp15 about bpo
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2784 [18:25:43] <antZero> Okay, used gParted and assigned more space to linux partitions, still doesn't boot
2785 [18:25:58] <jml2> sharp15, basically you clone the deb that has "jessie" and you just change jessie to "jessie-backports"
2786 [18:26:03] <sharp15> jml2: i'm not too worried about it. it only seems to interfere with ssh connections.
2787 [18:26:04] <jml2> sharp15, ./deb line./
2788 [18:26:09] <antZero> still cursor and if I press the power button I see "failed to start hostname service"
2789 [18:26:26] <antZero> This was all caused after the partition was totally full, anyone has some hints?
2790 [18:26:45] <sharp15> the laptop i replaced got bad. this one doesn't seem to be worsening.
2791 [18:27:09] <jml2> sharp15, then there is no issue
2792 [18:27:24] <jml2> everything works then :)
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2795 [18:27:39] <sharp15> unless i try to do maintenance over ssh. you are correct.
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2797 [18:28:01] * jml2 thinks pebcak :)
2798 [18:28:08] <sharp15> jml2: thank you for your assistance.
2799 [18:28:22] * sharp15 hopes jml2 is correct.
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2806 [18:31:51] <Tenkawa> guess I'll just have to keep using vmware
2807 [18:32:05] <Tenkawa> if theres no work around for core debian
2808 [18:32:08] <jml2> Tenkawa, vmware is spyware
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2810 [18:32:21] <Cpuroast> lol
2811 [18:32:22] <Tenkawa> jml2: meh
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2814 [18:32:38] <jml2> Tenkawa, nobody here is ever going to give you vmware-commercial support buddy.
2815 [18:32:43] <jml2> Tenkawa, proprietary lover.
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2817 [18:33:07] <Tenkawa> jml2: did i ask for it? no. try reading what I originally asked instead of just spouting stuff
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2819 [18:33:13] <jml2> Tenkawa, sure did
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2821 [18:33:25] <jml2> Tenkawa, you guess you can stick with poison, but not for me ty
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2823 [18:33:38] <jml2> Tenkawa, you don't speak on advice that anyone is suggesting to use vmware.
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2825 [18:33:42] <Tenkawa> I asked about debian and secure boot.. that has "nothing" to do with vmware
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2827 [18:33:45] <jml2> Tenkawa, we here don't use it
2828 [18:33:56] <jml2> good, so don't say "guess I'll just have to keep using vmware"
2829 [18:34:00] <jml2> that's typically trollish
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2831 [18:34:08] <Tenkawa> whatever
2832 [18:34:09] <jml2> and cheap.
2833 [18:34:13] <Tenkawa> I see nothing has chamged here
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2876 [18:55:19] <justatech> what is the best way and resource to learn all type of linux installation
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2879 [18:56:31] <silverfall> justatech: the best resource is time, and the best way is reading
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2886 [18:59:25] <awwal> !learn
2887 [18:59:25] <dpkg> That's right. Any OS worth its salt will require plenty of learning. If you're afraid (see <baby duck syndrome>), you chose the wrong OS. Try a debian knockoff like Ubuntu instead ;)
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2893 [19:01:48] <justatech> Every one has breaking point when he does get its success he givesup, so a handy resource will be helpful Well how you guys deal with failure
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2904 [19:04:24] <silverfall> justatech: religions, psychologists, drugs, movies, sex, food... there are infinite ways to deal with failure
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2906 [19:04:25] <Enchanted> huh? drugs?
2907 [19:04:32] <silverfall> you gotta pick the one that works for you
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2937 [19:14:59] <justatech> silverfall you forget the movies well great that make sense
2938 [19:15:22] <justatech> a good movie which is difficult to find
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2941 [19:16:42] <silverfall> yes. The longer the time you've been failing, the more movies you've watched, therefore the harder to find a 'good' movie
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2953 [19:24:23] <justatech> My favoriate is Preistge what your's
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2964 [19:30:18] <silverfall> Twilight
2965 [19:30:24] <silverfall> how's life in India?
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2970 [19:31:11] <markybob> !offtopic
2971 [19:31:12] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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2993 [19:39:01] <justatech> no Hope as earlier.
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3052 [20:00:40] <edoardo> Hello
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3057 [20:02:05] <edoardo> I was trying to install gnome-db and its db manager (gdaexplorer) but Debian doesn't seem to include the explorer. Is that true or I suck at finding packages?
3058 [20:02:15] <edoardo> replaced-url
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3063 [20:04:12] <markybob> edoardo: you're right. been known for a long time. replaced-url
3064 [20:04:13] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3067 [20:04:40] <edoardo> Oh, 4 years ago :c
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3069 [20:04:50] <edoardo> I guess i'll need to compile it myself then
3070 [20:04:57] <mcfrisk> sid xfce changed my touchpad scroll settings from edge to two finger. Any ideas how to change back? xfce settings app isn't showing details, and settings editor shows scroll options but doesn't enable editing them. xorg config change didn't change behavior either.
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3072 [20:05:09] <markybob> mcfrisk: please read the /topic
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3074 [20:06:14] <mcfrisk> markybob: you mean I should ask from #debian-next..
3075 [20:06:24] <markybob> yes. wrong place.
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3089 [20:14:50] <antZero> I used gParted to allocate more ram to the root partition but the system isn't viewing this change
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3091 [20:14:53] <antZero> What could be?
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3095 [20:19:19] <jhutchins> antZero: Perhaps because Random Access Memory is RAM, and disk space is disk space.
3096 [20:19:24] <lasdam> hi. I'm trying to understand where and how PATH is set for all the users in linux/debian (and modify it in a particular way, maybe more on this later) and I noticed that the first line in /etc/profile under a normal debian 8 installation starts with the line 'if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then' to check whether the user is root or not PRIOR to setting paths. how is the 'id' command found if no paths are set yet though? further added a line t
3097 [20:19:24] <lasdam> o the end of this file to try to check what users run /etc/profile on boot but which doesn't seem to do anything (the line is: /bin/echo "`/bin/date`: User '$USER' executed /etc/profile" >> /var/log/profile). /var/log/profile has permissions 777 and is owned by main user
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3107 [20:26:03] <lasdam> and so I find these two points confusing: 1. how 'id' is found without any paths set yet, 2. why the line I added doesn't seem to do anything - does it mean /etc/profile is not run at all? I've tried to find more information on the topic, but no luck so far.
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3110 [20:28:02] <jhutchins> antZero: Did you expand the filesystem [and lv]?
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3119 [20:30:43] <antZero> apparently gparted didn't change the partition size
3120 [20:30:55] <antZero> I'm redoing it but it warned me about breaking grub config
3121 [20:30:56] <antZero> will report back
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3128 [20:34:09] <jhutchins> ,v squirrelmail
3129 [20:34:10] <judd> Package: squirrelmail on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:1.4.21-2; squeeze-security: 2:1.4.21-2; wheezy: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; sid: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; jessie: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; experimental: 2:1.5.1-5
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3144 [20:39:40] <buu> Alright friends.
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3156 [20:44:08] <buu> I have two debian servers, A and B, both on jessie, both connected to the same switch with two cat5 cables in bond_mode 4. B can scp from A at 117MBps. A can scp from B at 75MBps (disk read speeds). A mounts disks from B via samba. Now there's a third server off in the internet someplace, C. A can `rsync` from C at 10+MBps. B can `rsync` from C at 4.25MBps.
3157 [20:44:22] <buu> What the hell could possibly cause this?
3158 [20:44:46] <buu> Neither the switch nor the router has QOS enabled.
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3163 [20:47:49] <buu> Any bandwidth limit inside B would affect transfers from A right?
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3166 [20:50:40] <jhutchins> buu: Possibly a hardware issue. Is the hardware the same on both servers?
3167 [20:51:22] <buu> No..
3168 [20:51:30] <buu> It's fairly different
3169 [20:51:35] <jhutchins> I have Google FIber at 1G. My standard hard disk machines can do 500-700M on speedtests, my SSD box gets pretty close to 1G.
3170 [20:51:37] <buu> But how could that affect *just* internet traffic?
3171 [20:51:57] <jhutchins> buu: Well, it's not, B is consistently slower.
3172 [20:52:21] <jhutchins> buu: It could be a weak port on the switch, it could be a weak cable, or it could be the NIC.
3173 [20:52:23] <buu> Actually I've been meaning to test that
3174 [20:52:28] <buu> jhutchins: at 4MBps?
3175 [20:52:30] <buu> really?
3176 [20:52:50] <jhutchins> buu: It could also be internal I/O on B.
3177 [20:53:06] <markybob> buu you haven't? that's all the info you gave us. read/write from different hd models is what it sounds like
3178 [20:53:13] <buu> But it can read from A at 117MBps
3179 [20:53:33] <buu> That rules out any disk/cable/switch issues
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3181 [20:53:54] <markybob> sure. nothing to do with i/o capabilities
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3183 [20:54:14] <buu> ?
3184 [20:54:17] <buu> what?
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3186 [20:54:57] <markybob> again, hard drive write/read capabilities. different drives vary a lot
3187 [20:55:02] <buu> Ok I just tried with an alternative internet source and both A and B get 40+MBps from the different source
3188 [20:55:18] <buu> markybob: What part of 'can write at over 117M per econd' did you miss?
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3190 [20:56:03] <buu> There's not much I'm willing to guarantee but I can confidently say that my disks are *not* limited to 4MBps
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3194 [20:57:22] <jhutchins> buu: That is odd. Yes, transfers FROM B are the slower ones.
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3196 [20:57:54] <jhutchins> buu: I think I'd still start by changing switch ports, and I'd also test with just one NIC enabled just to gather data.
3197 [20:57:56] <buu> Sorry, perhaps I wasn't very clear in my original description
3198 [20:58:08] <jhutchins> buu: No, I wasn't clear in my thinking.
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3200 [20:58:15] <buu> I'm specifically asking about the difference downloading from C
3201 [20:58:26] <buu> But yeah, I plan on trying different switch ports
3202 [20:59:16] <TomTomTosch> maybe just slow upload speeds? is it connected through ADSL?
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3204 [20:59:20] <buu> jhutchins: Both A and B are behind a NAT router, is there anyway C could tell the difference?
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3207 [21:00:00] <buu> TomTomTosch: Hrm? C has a symmetric connection and A and B are on the same isp
3208 [21:00:07] <buu> Behind the same router..
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3211 [21:00:42] <teraflops> Symmetric can be 1mbps/1mbps
3212 [21:00:59] <buu> I don't know how I can make this more clear
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3214 [21:01:04] <buu> A gets 10, B gets 4
3215 [21:01:08] <edoardo> lol
3216 [21:01:13] <buu> On the same connection on the same switch on the same router
3217 [21:01:20] <markybob> no, we're all stupid.
3218 [21:01:36] <buu> Well *someone* is voting for trump...
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3221 [21:02:42] <teraflops> I just pointed that symmetric without values does not mean anything
3222 [21:03:08] <greycat> I don't understand people who think cloud things should be deterministic.
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3224 [21:03:29] <greycat> Haven't 30 years of Internet taught you that everything is unpredictable and will just stall for no apparent reason any time it feels like it?
3225 [21:03:35] <edoardo> But
3226 [21:03:42] <teraflops> I believe ☁ is just bullshit
3227 [21:04:00] <buu> greycat: Yes but this is sadly predictable and consistent
3228 [21:04:11] <lasdam> apparently it's not?
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3231 [21:05:06] <buu> ?
3232 [21:05:13] <Wulf> Hi
3233 [21:05:21] <buu> The speeds are very consistent
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3236 [21:05:54] <Wulf> I'm trying to package a python lib. The package includes .pyc files. When I build another python package, the .pyc files are not included. What am I missing?
3237 [21:06:03] <greycat> have you done traceroutes from every host to every other host?
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3239 [21:06:10] <antZero> Well, resizing the partition trough GParted didn't break grub
3240 [21:06:13] <antZero> and now it's booting
3241 [21:06:18] <buu> greycat: Yes?
3242 [21:06:23] <antZero> linus god is with me tonight
3243 [21:06:31] <buu> They're behind the same router..
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3250 [21:08:36] <lasdam> buu: the speeds may be consistent individually, but the whole point you're here asking questions right now is that they're not consistent with each other, right?
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3253 [21:08:56] <buu> lasdam: Yes, A and B should have the same speed
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3255 [21:09:12] <donaldtrump> so my sources list only has two security urls for some reason. i cant find any packages. where can i find the urls that i need for the sources list?
3256 [21:09:23] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
3257 [21:09:24] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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3259 [21:09:45] <lasdam> so clearly they're less predictable and consistent than you've expected them to be. anyway, I don't know what the cause is and i can't help you, just thought some of your comments seemed a bit overly frustrated and borderline aggressive
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3262 [21:10:34] <donaldtrump> dpkg: thanks man
3263 [21:10:35] <dpkg> donaldtrump: de rien
3264 [21:10:42] <buu> lasdam: Well, it is a little frustrating, especially the repetition =[
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3266 [21:11:15] <donaldtrump> a frenchman i see
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3269 [21:11:39] <greycat> She likes to try on fake accents every now and then.
3270 [21:11:40] <lasdam> buu: I can relate, but I think the responses you got were friendly; they didn't seem to be intentionally misrepresenting or anything, so I don't see the need to not try to be friendly back. but I know the feeling
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3272 [21:12:15] <teraflops> Enchanted: sorry?
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3279 [21:15:13] <Dunams> just wondering why sometimes the mouse cursor isn't being updated properly
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3281 [21:15:32] <Dunams> it could get stuck on a certain icon while hovering something that changes it
3282 [21:15:41] <lasdam> buu: it's free help after all. if nobody's helpful try the next venue or another time is my advice rather than to get aggressive. just my 5 cents
3283 [21:15:47] <Dunams> i'm using kde
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3294 [21:20:11] <greycat> If nobody here can diagnose the problem from your vague descriptions without any numbers or other tangible evidence, maybe try ##networking next.
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3336 [21:37:47] <donaldtrump> so the difference between deb and deb-src prefix is that deb-src is for updates to the operating system itself?
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3339 [21:38:17] <greycat> No. deb-src is for downloading the source code of a package, instead of the actual package.
3340 [21:38:31] <greycat> You can live without any deb-src lines. Most people do.
3341 [21:38:46] <donaldtrump> greycat: thank you
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3385 [21:57:48] <AlexPortable> How to start x with a program with a custom resolution
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3390 [21:58:49] <jml2> AlexPortable, remotely or local?
3391 [21:58:55] <AlexPortable> local
3392 [21:59:03] <AlexPortable> now it just starts with 800x600
3393 [21:59:11] <AlexPortable> i want it to get the screen resolution and apply it to the x session
3394 [21:59:25] <AlexPortable> im autostarting x with this command: startx /usr/bin/iceweasel --
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3397 [21:59:54] <jml2> you can add geometry i think with the startx command
3398 [22:00:00] <AlexPortable> geometry?
3399 [22:00:16] <jml2> (-geometry widthxheight)
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3404 [22:01:38] <jhutchins> buu: There are ways to get information about systems behind NAT, but the average server would see two requests from the same device. Besides, why would it discriminate?
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3406 [22:02:25] <jhutchins> buu: There's the question of simultaneous or sequential - did B happen to run into other traffic?
3407 [22:03:16] <jhutchins> buu: I think we came up with a bunch of tests to try to see if there were any clues.
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3413 [22:04:26] <jhutchins> buu: You should also look at the info provided by ethtool (ethtool <iface>).
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3418 [22:06:31] <donaldtrump> i have a 32 bit cpu, why does /proc/cpuinfo say that my cpu has 40 bit address size
3419 [22:07:00] <jml2> donaldtrump, comeon even hillary clinton knows that!
3420 [22:07:10] <jml2> :)
3421 [22:07:14] <dutchfish> buu, maybe the slowest one has not LAN card (or has it disbaled) with hw checksum offloading.
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3423 [22:07:47] <donaldtrump> jml2: :( make cpu address sizes great again
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3428 [22:07:59] <jml2> donaldtrump, well!
3429 [22:08:06] <dutchfish> buu, sorry for the typos: maybe the slowest one has no LAN card (or has it disabled) for hw checksum offloading.
3430 [22:08:22] <jml2> donaldtrump, you talking about PAE?
3431 [22:08:42] <jml2> donaldtrump, if you've got more than 4 GB in ram, you might have to be using a pae kernel
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3433 [22:08:49] <donaldtrump> yeah virtual is 48 which confuses me further
3434 [22:08:51] <tarkaram> /leave
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3438 [22:08:55] <jml2> donaldtrump, (for 32-bit systems to see beyond 4 GB)
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3442 [22:10:36] <buu> I return
3443 [22:10:50] <buu> jhutchins: Did any of my replies make it?
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3450 [22:12:36] <jhutchins> buu: Sorry, been out.
3451 [22:12:50] <buu> eh?
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3454 [22:14:35] <jhutchins> buu: Real Life (TM).
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3457 [22:15:30] <jhutchins> buu: I think I've read all your replies. I don't think you've addressed: switch ports, cables, individual NIC speed tests, or ethtool results.
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3460 [22:16:07] <jml2> hahahaa
3461 [22:16:08] <buu> jhutchins: How would any of those things *only* affect traffic from a single internet host?
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3463 [22:16:57] <greycat> You're seriously asking how the interface settings as revealed by ethtool on a given host could affect the network transfer speeds of that host?
3464 [22:17:23] <dutchfish> buu, maybe the slowest one has no LAN card (or has it disbaled) with hw checksum offloading?
3465 [22:17:48] <dutchfish> buu, there are more
3466 [22:18:15] <dutchfish> buu, things like MTU size settings etc
3467 [22:18:36] <dutchfish> buu, just check it as jhutchins suggested
3468 [22:19:12] <buu> greycat: No, I'm seriously asking how any of those things could affect transfer speeds from one host and not another
3469 [22:19:19] <dutchfish> buu, last but not least, can your spindles on the slowest machine coop with that speed?
3470 [22:19:26] <buu> ... yes
3471 [22:19:34] <buu> I am not in fact writing to a floppy disk
3472 [22:19:43] <greycat> Because they might be DIFFERENT between the two hosts! That is the entire point. You are trying to find what is different between the two hosts, so people are suggesting things you should check.
3473 [22:19:53] <greycat> But instead of checking them you are wasting time arguing.
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3475 [22:20:03] <buu> I think it's more mocking at this point
3476 [22:20:44] <dym> Hey! Im trying to install a debian 7 for using a certain software and having massive trouble installing. it kicks me out of the installation because of some unmet dependencies and things not to be installed
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3478 [22:20:53] <dym> installing from DVD-1 7.0.9 amd64
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3487 [22:25:25] <buu> dym: Do you have an internet connection?
3488 [22:25:38] <jhutchins> buu: Have you exhausted all possible hosts that might be affected?
3489 [22:25:53] <buu> jhutchins: local hosts or remote hosts?
3490 [22:26:08] <jhutchins> buu: Two is an inadequate dataset to form any useful conclusions. External.
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3493 [22:26:34] <jhutchins> buu: Besides which, I think the information I suggested you gather would be interesting, and might point to a problem.
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3495 [22:27:17] <jhutchins> buu: Even the information from ifconfig - errors, buffers, overruns, etc - might be interesting.
3496 [22:27:34] <jhutchins> buu: It could be a simple matter of timing.
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3498 [22:27:47] <jhutchins> buu: You might also see differences in traffic if you used a sniffer.
3499 [22:28:49] <buu> Ok wtf, a different remote server on the same lan gives me the same speed disparities
3500 [22:29:47] <buu> Hosts not on that network do not give me any disparity
3501 [22:29:55] <buu> (that remote network*)
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3505 [22:30:42] <dym> buu: yea
3506 [22:30:56] <dym> im gonna wipe the drives completely and retry with 7.0.10
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3514 [22:31:31] <buu> jhutchins: So on the affected host (B) when I `wget` a file, my speed starts at 100KBps, then scrolls up to 4.4MBps then bounces down to 4.3 or so then stays solidly between 4.3 and 4.4
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3516 [22:31:45] <buu> On the unaffected host (A) the speed starts the same then scrolls up to 10+
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3522 [22:33:30] <jhutchins> buu: Sounds like either protocol or local hardware.
3523 [22:33:33] <mutante> buu: one has a bad cable and one has a good cable ?
3524 [22:33:56] <mutante> it may sound weird, but try simple things first
3525 [22:34:18] <buu> mutante: They both get the same speed to other internet hosts
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3528 [22:34:30] <buu> Which is higher than 10
3529 [22:34:33] <jhutchins> buu: So that lan is sensitive to whatever the difference is.
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3532 [22:34:57] <buu> How could it be sensitive only to remote traffic
3533 [22:35:01] <buu> based on local hardware
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3535 [22:35:10] <jhutchins> buu: Timing and protocol.
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3537 [22:35:35] <jhutchins> buu: Like I said, you could probably see the difference with wireshark.
3538 [22:35:38] <buu> Sorry? What kind of timing or protocol?
3539 [22:36:05] <jhutchins> buu: SOmehting isn different between the two machines, the local asymetry shows that. Find the difference. You may still not know why.
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3543 [22:37:13] <dutchfish> buu, can you tell us what NIC's are in both machines?
3544 [22:37:32] <mutante> all kinds of things, negotiation of speed between the NIC and the switch port
3545 [22:37:47] <mutante> which could have different config than the other port
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3547 [22:38:54] <buu> Qualcomm Atheros Killer E220x Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13) Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06)
3548 [22:38:58] <buu> Box B ^
3549 [22:39:33] <buu> Box A: Intel Corporation I211 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I218-V (rev 05)
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3552 [22:39:54] <worralph> identify passport9
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3554 [22:39:57] <buu> mutante: How could any of that affect only remote traffic is what I'm trying to understand
3555 [22:39:58] <dym> :D
3556 [22:40:03] <dutchfish> buu, both have different stack depth's as a starter
3557 [22:40:09] <mutante> worralph might want to change that
3558 [22:40:16] <buu> he quit
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3561 [22:40:56] <jml2> or quilted his quitted
3562 [22:40:58] <jhutchins> buu: Because the remote trafic is more sensitive to errors.
3563 [22:41:02] <dutchfish> buu, i wouldnt be surprise dif the nic of box B has checksum offloading not enabled by default ;)
3564 [22:41:04] <mutante> buu: MTU size? i dunno
3565 [22:41:11] <buu> um
3566 [22:41:31] <jhutchins> buu: Again, compare individual NIC speeds, ethtool and ifconfig outputs.
3567 [22:41:40] <buu> Those are all identical..
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3573 [22:42:49] <mutante> are these onboard or separate NICs?
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3576 [22:43:15] <mutante> if they are removable.. maybe i'd just switch them around between A and B and see what happens
3577 [22:43:19] <dutchfish> buu, if i read you correctly, the start speed is the same on that particular remote host, but the chimney ramp up is handled worse on the B machine, right?
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3579 [22:44:00] <buu> dutchfish: More or less? The B machine hits a hard cap at 4.4
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3582 [22:44:33] <dutchfish> buu, it could be that the driver of the NIC in the B-machine does use TCP chimney partial offload, which is worse then none at times.
3583 [22:44:51] <dutchfish> buu, you can easely detect that with a sniffer
3584 [22:45:01] <dutchfish> buu, 2nd:
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3586 [22:45:28] <dutchfish> buu, the remote host senses over the proto that local host and does QOS for some reason
3587 [22:45:45] <dutchfish> buu, but that would be a very rare case
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3590 [22:46:07] <dutchfish> buu, i tak emy bet on the checksum offloading
3591 [22:46:17] <dutchfish> buu, my 2 cents
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3593 [22:46:33] <greycat> If you can add a non-Realtek NIC in box B, it might be worth trying that.
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3595 [22:46:45] <dutchfish> greycat, good idea
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3600 [22:48:48] <buu> Well shit
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3602 [22:49:24] <dutchfish> buu, life is a bitch sometimes, i have been there myself, it took me days to figure it out for a simular problem
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3604 [22:49:33] <buu> I unplugged the cable from eth3 and now I get faster speeds
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3608 [22:54:13] <lololololol> is it possible to have a graphical installer version when using a preseed?
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3610 [22:54:53] <dutchfish> buu, one broken cable or a broken nic can create great havoc on your whole lan ;)
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3612 [22:55:25] <dutchfish> buu, i assumed you did check that already
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3646 [23:08:08] <Harpoon> ddggggghhhhhhhhhh
3647 [23:08:11] <Harpoon> sorry
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3650 [23:11:52] <tako> hi how can i scale my screen when i put my notebook to tv some places on screen doesnt show
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3653 [23:14:27] <dym> buu: no success
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3656 [23:15:07] <dym> buu: this is what i get: replaced-url
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3678 [23:22:53] <asding> hi guys I have this stretch machine but I'd like to go back to stable. Now I am unsure about how to proceed with the backups, since I'd like to save everything in /home, reinstall and use cryptography on disks, and then move my /home back again. Any clues?
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3680 [23:23:58] <greycat> Back up /home, reinstall, recreate /home under your new paradigm, restore content.
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3682 [23:24:02] <TomTomTo1> asding: easiest way would be to use an external drive for the backup.
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3688 [23:25:24] <asding> greycat, another noob question: is cryptography ok for /home on ssd?
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3690 [23:25:53] <greycat> I know absolutely nothing about file system/partition/disk encryption.
3691 [23:26:10] <netvor> guys, another noob here: since certain time (can't pinpoint), I get this error whenever I do abnything systemd-related:
3692 [23:26:12] <RoyK> asding: an ssd is just another block device
3693 [23:26:12] <netvor> # systemctl
3694 [23:26:12] <netvor> Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1
3695 [23:26:16] <jhutchins> buu: I believe that is one of the first things I suggested.
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3698 [23:27:36] <asding> RoyK, yeah, I was just trying to figure out if cryptography could somehow kill it :)
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3700 [23:27:51] <RoyK> asding: encrypted data is just data
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3704 [23:28:04] <greycat> It doesn't become homicidal.
3705 [23:28:13] <netvor> I'm on jessie, w/ lightdm and i3. Everything works (I can install/uninstall things and things work)....
3706 [23:28:16] <greycat> (OK, I lied: I know that one thing.)
3707 [23:28:34] <RoyK> greycat: extra nasty 0's and 1's!!!
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3711 [23:29:14] <netvor> but now I installed autofs, added configs and wanted to restart (it *did* start on install), and bam: cannot even under root.
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3728 [23:35:29] <netvor> umm
3729 [23:35:41] <netvor> this seems like no systemd is running
3730 [23:35:44] <netvor> omg
3731 [23:35:46] <netvor> like
3732 [23:36:00] <netvor> I've accidentally disabled systemd :D
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3734 [23:36:16] <TomTomTosch> did you just turn into a white teenage girl?
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3739 [23:37:49] <netvor> ??
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3743 [23:38:09] <TomTomTosch> nvm. so ps aux does not show systemd as PID 1?
3744 [23:38:26] <netvor> no, it's init
3745 [23:38:42] <mutante> then it can't even
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3748 [23:39:00] <netvor> I have tackled with grub conf recently, so I might have changed it there
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3751 [23:40:14] <oats> does anybody know how to get systemd user sessions working in jessie?
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3753 [23:40:45] <teraflops> oats: I do :P
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3755 [23:41:10] <oats> teraflops: oh hi there
3756 [23:41:13] <oats> how's it going?
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3758 [23:41:44] <oats> I feel like I'm in a foreign land and I don't speak the language here
3759 [23:41:45] <teraflops> oats: I just create the unit by hand and the related dirs at home, it's enough
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3762 [23:42:05] <oats> teraflops: even though this happens?
3763 [23:42:07] <oats> > systemctl --user status
3764 [23:42:09] <oats> Failed to get D-Bus connection: Connection refused
3765 [23:42:16] <oats> d-bus was always a mystery to me
3766 [23:42:35] <teraflops> oats: are you on xorg?
3767 [23:42:51] <oats> teraflops: nope, vps with ssh
3768 [23:43:39] <teraflops> oats: hmm
3769 [23:44:28] <teraflops> oats: what's that --user unit related?
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3772 [23:44:59] <oats> I'm just trying to get the systemd user session thing started so I can create a user unit and run it
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3774 [23:45:51] <trysten> so, when you're in emergency mode and you hit ctrl-d to continue, what happens?
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3779 [23:46:42] <trysten> also, why would it say "hangup" when i issue commands in emergency mode?
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3781 [23:46:56] <trysten> does that mean the kernel has hung?
3782 [23:47:02] <oats> sorry 'bout that
3783 [23:47:04] <teraflops> oats: hhmm I can run --user services locally, e.g mpd
3784 [23:47:41] <zinx> trysten: no, it presumably means SIGHUP was received
3785 [23:47:52] <trysten> zink to the shell?
3786 [23:48:01] <zinx> whatever's telling you 'hangup'
3787 [23:48:27] <trysten> thanks
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3798 [23:52:33] <trysten> why would that happen to "systemctl default" as suggested by the emergency mode prompt?
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