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0 [00:00:00] <rainfyre> that's not how it works bro
1 [00:00:07] <rainfyre> testing is semi-rolling
2 [00:00:17] <sulfyr> Heart-Of-A-Lion: replaced-url
3 [00:00:19] <rainfyre> you're working with a different release-cycle philosophy than arch
4 [00:00:32] <rainfyre> fundamentally different with a different end-goal
5 [00:00:43] <rainfyre> stability vs bleeding edge
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7 [00:01:00] <rainfyre> technically semi-rolling is as close as you're going to find
8 [00:01:25] <rainfyre> and that's because testing freezes periodically
9 [00:01:27] <dTal> See I don't see why we can't have it both ways - stable OS, bleeding edge user programs
10 [00:01:34] <dTal> you know, like Microsoft :p
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13 [00:01:37] <rainfyre> lol
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16 [00:02:02] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> dTal, that's the concept of Manjaro, however Manjaro is based on Arch.
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20 [00:02:27] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> I'm looking for something like Manjaro, but then based on Debian. Truly rolling, yet stable.
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22 [00:02:40] <dTal> that's pretty much how I run my Debian systems - I don't care about having the very latest libwhatever, but I'll build the latest Blender if I need it
23 [00:02:49] <dTal> would just be nice to not have to build it
24 [00:02:54] <rainfyre> dTal: exactly
25 [00:03:05] <rainfyre> just build the latest versions of what you want the latest version of
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27 [00:03:22] <dTal> but building things is a pain
28 [00:03:28] <rainfyre> replaced-url
29 [00:03:43] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Yes, I've read that Wiki page. :)
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32 [00:04:01] <dTal> incidentally Python always used to give me hell on debian because of the whole pip vs apt thing, but pypi-install is wonderful
33 [00:04:22] <dTal> I only mention it because nobody seems to know about it but it solves the whole issue (I hate virtualenvs)
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37 [00:05:24] <rainfyre> Heart-Of-A-Lion: this is the link i meant to post, replaced-url
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39 [00:05:38] <dTal> all we really need is a little more infrastructure, no reason you couldn't set up a server that built, say, Arch pkgbuilds against Debian Stable and gave you a repo to pin
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41 [00:05:42] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> I know, I'm looking at it now. :)
42 [00:05:58] <dTal> I don't really understand how all this infrastructure gets paid for right now as it is
43 [00:06:03] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> The thing is that that page doesn't list of all the Debian based rolling distros, which one is truly rolling.
44 [00:06:13] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> It only says that SolyXK is semi-rolling
45 [00:06:39] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> semi-rolling means that parts of the system don't get updated, which defeats the purpose of a rolling distro in my opinion.
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47 [00:07:12] <dTal> which is?
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49 [00:08:05] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> To install an OS once and then never again, because everything gets updated, without exception.
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51 [00:08:27] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> An OS that gets updates for everything, except the kernel and drivers, well that's kind of disappointing.
52 [00:08:31] <dTal> ironically my experience with Arch was precisely the opposite
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54 [00:09:12] <dTal> forget to update for a few weeks, then either update and everything breaks, or after a few times of that don't update at all
55 [00:09:30] <dTal> then come back years later and realise if you try and update now the computer will explode
56 [00:09:34] <dTal> so you reinstall
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59 [00:10:04] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> On Manjaro that doesn't happen, because Manjaro is Arch with an Unstable and Testing phase between package releases. Which means that packages arrive two weaks later than on Arch, but stable.
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61 [00:10:47] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> I'm looking for something similar based on Debian, but it might be difficult at this point.
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63 [00:11:20] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> I'm sure it will be created at some point, if not by the Debian developers themselves, as I read that this has been discussed since 2012.
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66 [00:12:18] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Either creating an extra branch or replacing Testing. For example: Unstable, Testing, Rolling, Stable
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68 [00:13:07] <rainfyre> how would rolling roll when testing is frozen?
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73 [00:14:12] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> It doesn't matter if testing is frozen, it then just takes a bit longer for the updates to arrive at Rolling. But it would allow for a truly rolling version of Debian, which would be stable enough for daily use.
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77 [00:14:37] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Similar to Manjaro, but based on Debian instead of Arch.
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80 [00:14:57] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> However for Manjaro there are only two weeks between Unstable and Stable
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83 [00:16:35] <sulfyr> What about gentoo? Rolling and many supported architectures
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85 [00:17:29] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> You are right, Gentoo is a good contender too, but it takes a long time to compile and entire update cycle of all installed packages. Could take a day even on a fast machine.
86 [00:17:32] <rainfyre> Heart-Of-A-Lion: it seems like you don't quite understand what you're talking about. Taking a little longer to arrive at rolling (months during freeze) defeats the purpose
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89 [00:18:15] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> It doesn't defeat the purpose. Which is: Install once - and then never again, because everything gets updated.
90 [00:18:21] <dTal> TO be fair there is a difference between a few months out of date and a few years out of date, that's not *quit* "defeating the purpose"
91 [00:18:32] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Exactly.
92 [00:18:34] <rainfyre> Heart-Of-A-Lion: why not run testing in that case?
93 [00:18:47] <dTal> compared to Debian, Ubuntu is rolling release
94 [00:18:56] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Because Testing isn't truly rolling like Debian Unstable.
95 [00:19:07] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> But Unstable is..well, unstable.
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97 [00:19:16] <rainfyre> dTal: i meant waiting a few months for updates in a rolling release ... isn't rolling anymore. it's semi-rolling or cyclic-rolling, not true rolling
98 [00:19:36] <koollman> it's not rolling. merely a faster cycle
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101 [00:19:57] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Semi-rolling means that not all packages get updated. For example a semi-rolling distro doesn;t update its kernel and graphics drivers.
102 [00:20:16] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Truly rolling means that EVERYTHING gets updated.
103 [00:20:24] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Not just parts of the system.
104 [00:20:43] <koollman> I do not agree much with that definition
105 [00:20:46] <rainfyre> testing doesn't get kernel and driver updates?
106 [00:20:52] <sulfyr> Heart-Of-A-Lion: It's possible to use precompiled binaries on gentoo
107 [00:21:05] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> sulfyr, that sounds interesting
108 [00:21:42] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Is that repository just as big as the one based on uncompiled source code?
109 [00:22:09] <koollman> rolling (to me) means there are no 'steps' for changing versions of software. they are done when they are done. non-rolling (release) means there is a defined step, when the version change happens for many packages
110 [00:22:18] <koollman> cycle means the step is regular
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113 [00:23:32] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> koollman yes, however there are quite a few semi-rolling distros out there, which don't update all the parts of the distro. I know that Arch, Manjaro and Gentoo do update everything though, truly everything.
114 [00:23:33] <koollman> usually, rolling means you keep your package close to upstream version but always have changes in behavior, release means you are always late compared to upstream but there is a defined upgrade step
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117 [00:23:54] <koollman> and cycle means you know when the step will happen :)
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119 [00:24:55] <koollman> I wouldn't like rolling release for any kind of production system. Or not with a debian-like packaging system. at least gentoo has version slots to chose from a few versions ... sometimes
120 [00:25:34] <koollman> but I guess one can adapt its production system to this kind of things, with effort
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126 [00:26:48] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Yes, however if you look at truly rolling distros like Manjaro, Arch and Gentoo, then they update everything. While some semi-rolling distros only update particular parts, not everything. A rolling Debian distro based on Stable would also take 3 years to fully update. A little bit faster would be great, which is why a rolling distro based on Debian Testing would be great.
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131 [00:27:18] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Maybe Sparky Linux offers that, not sure. I'm also not sure which architectures it supports, but it's based on Debian. Probably the Testing branch.
132 [00:27:39] <rainfyre> Heart-Of-A-Lion: why not just run testing?
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135 [00:27:55] <rainfyre> Heart-Of-A-Lion: it's pretty 'stable'
136 [00:27:58] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Because it's not truly rolling rainfyre.
137 [00:27:59] <sulfyr> Heart-Of-A-Lion: I don't know but I would assume it's not (especially if you use exotic architectures) - good question for #gentoo
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139 [00:28:13] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Unstable is truly Rolling.
140 [00:28:19] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> But it is too unstable.
141 [00:28:23] <rainfyre> Heart-Of-A-Lion: how would a branch based off of it be MORE rolling then?
142 [00:28:48] <rainfyre> I know it's not true rolling, I've been running it for years heh
143 [00:28:48] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Good point.
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146 [00:29:31] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Maybe this is why this has been under discussion among the Debian devs since 2012.
147 [00:29:32] <rainfyre> Heart-Of-A-Lion: so you're concerned that you won't have the latest kernel and drivers?
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150 [00:30:21] <rainfyre> it's pretty simple to pull in the latest kernel from sid
151 [00:30:24] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> I wouldn't mind being 3 months behind on kernels and drivers, however 3 years is a bit harsh I think.
152 [00:31:00] <rainfyre> testing doesn't ever get updated drivers? can anyone here confirm that?
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154 [00:31:41] <zinx> rainfyre: it gets them... a few weeks after sid
155 [00:31:50] <rainfyre> that's exactly what i thought zinx
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157 [00:32:18] <rainfyre> it gets kernel updates too right?
158 [00:32:38] <zinx> depends on package status :/
159 [00:32:48] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Sparky Linux claims to offer Debian Testing as a rolling release. However I wonder if it's truly rolling.
160 [00:32:48] <zinx> and if there's a freeze or whatnot
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163 [00:33:20] <rainfyre> zinx right, i meant assuming there's no freeze happening.
164 [00:33:30] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> In my opinion there is little point to a semi-rolling distro. You would have to reinstall it eventually.
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166 [00:34:05] <dTal> what gets me is dist-upgrades are a *little* sketchy in Debian based distros
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168 [00:34:17] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Yes, I agree.
169 [00:34:20] <rainfyre> Heart-Of-A-Lion: dude you never have to reinstall testing
170 [00:34:21] <dTal> just a bit, expected to be more so than regular updates
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172 [00:34:29] <zinx> uhm
173 [00:34:35] <dTal> but rolling distros are effectively dist-upgrading ALL THE TIME
174 [00:34:42] <zinx> you're supposed to read the release notes. if you follow the upgrade section, it should be fine.
175 [00:34:50] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> dTal, yes.
176 [00:35:01] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> That's the beauty of it.
177 [00:35:08] <dTal> yeah I know I'm supposed to read the release notes. What am I, a guy with time? Bad practice to blame the user
178 [00:35:14] <dTal> this is #debian, not #arch
179 [00:35:27] <zinx> the release notes exist for a reason.
180 [00:35:39] <zinx> if you're too lazy to read them, then that is indeed your problem as a user.
181 [00:36:00] <dTal> release notes + rolling distro = constantly reading release notes
182 [00:36:21] <rainfyre> but hey, you always have the NEWEST packages ..
183 [00:36:23] <zinx> there are no release notes for sid, and testing isn't intended to be run except for people testing for release
184 [00:36:29] <rainfyre> ^^
185 [00:36:31] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> That's true for Arch. Manjaro takes that issue away. Perhaps Sparky Linux does the same for Debian Testing.
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187 [00:36:39] <dTal> I think, zinx, we are talking at cross purposes
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192 [00:36:52] <zinx> if you run unstable, you're expected to follow the mailing list(s), and know how to fix your system when it breaks.
193 [00:37:01] <dTal> you refer to the release notes of dist-upgrading, I suspect?
194 [00:37:12] <zinx> (also, support for testing/unstable is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net IIRC)
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197 [00:37:21] <zinx> dTal: no.
198 [00:37:22] <dTal> because yes, I can find the time to read those. Comes but once a few years.
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201 [00:38:10] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> It seems like Sparky Linux is Debian Testing on a rolling release model: replaced-url
202 [00:38:19] <zinx> dTal: replaced-url
203 [00:38:21] <dTal> Oh. Well, if you have time to permanently manage an OS and let that be a part of your mindshare all the time, go ahead and run Arch
204 [00:38:30] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> There is only one piece of info missing on that website and that's whether it's truly rolling or semi-rolling.
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206 [00:38:37] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> If it's truly rolling, then that's amazing.
207 [00:38:37] <dTal> I'll let the Debian devs do my management for me
208 [00:38:41] <zinx> dTal: if you don't have the time, then don't run unstable. you shouldn't be running testing anyway.
209 [00:38:56] <dTal> I don't. I run stable.
210 [00:39:07] <zinx> then there should be no problem updating.
211 [00:39:23] <dTal> I can't figure out what, or if, we're arguing about here
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213 [00:39:28] <zinx> Heart-Of-A-Lion: based on debian != debian
214 [00:39:30] <rainfyre> you're not arguing
215 [00:40:03] <dTal> I feel like zinx took exception to something I said somewhere but it seems we agree on all points
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217 [00:40:33] <zinx> <dTal> what gets me is dist-upgrades are a *little* sketchy in Debian based distros
218 [00:40:36] <rainfyre> i think there may have been a misunderstanding, you're both providing information from slightly different viewpoints
219 [00:40:40] <zinx> i think i missed the 'based' part
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224 [00:44:32] <dTal> I took great care to hedge on that statement, I was sure someone was going to chime in and go "no it all works perfectly!!"
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226 [00:44:36] <dTal> evidently I was not wrong
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228 [00:45:05] <dTal> the *point* is that rolling releases are always dist-upgrading
229 [00:45:22] <zinx> dTal: sorry, i assumed you were talking about debian, as we're in #debian. i was wrong.
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234 [00:47:09] <penrod> greetings, which is best tool to delete a partion and then create again on a live system ? (no, it isn't the boot partion) it is the 3rd partion and can be larger. A running system was just cloned (using clonezilla) to a new hard drive ( raid 1) and the 3rd partiton is giving me grief. I am familiar with fdisk, and just checking to see if there is anything better/newer
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236 [00:47:37] <zinx> penrod: live distro tends to be best for that
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239 [00:49:05] <zinx> penrod: if it's not a partition required for rescue mode to operate (i.e., no system files, including boot, /lib, /*bin, /usr/lib, /usr/*bin, etc etc), then you can unmount the partition and use one of the fdisk/cfdisk style tools.. just make sure you only touch that partition.
240 [00:49:06] <penrod> I thought it would be easier to do it on a live system, as the 3rd partition isn't being used for anything yet. I don't see any benefit of booting off the live distro, is there tools there that aren't available on the "live system"
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242 [00:49:43] <penrod> zinx: I can do that now, as long as I don't confuse /dev/sda1 for /dev/sda3
243 [00:49:58] <zinx> penrod: note that you may need to reboot to get the partition table to be reread, not sure
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247 [00:51:16] <penrod> zinx, ah I see, the "live system" sees the partition now, however I don't think the partiton is as large as it could be.
248 [00:51:29] <penrod> and my spelling is sub par today
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255 [00:52:43] <TheSin> anyone get gitlab in sid to install? I keep getting errors it's making me nuts. I've got it working like once out of 10 tries
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259 [00:53:26] <TheSin> it seems like every error I get is in the Bug DB, but have little to no info on a fix for it
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290 [01:09:46] <stoned> What's a really good lightweight gui email client
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292 [01:10:27] <sweettea> mutt
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294 [01:10:32] <stoned> I alrady use it
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296 [01:10:38] <stoned> it's not gui/X etc.
297 [01:10:38] <sweettea> you win
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299 [01:10:44] <sweettea> i use thunderbird
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303 [01:10:48] <sweettea> not thrilled by it
304 [01:10:51] <stoned> How heavy is that?
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306 [01:11:03] <sweettea> idk how to quantify it's weight
307 [01:11:24] <sweettea> alas i use mutt with imap and thunderbird when i need to do attachments
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312 [01:13:21] <markybob> stoned: my favorite is geary. really light.
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323 [01:18:36] <stoned> yup
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325 [01:18:41] <stoned> I just setup like 5 of my email accounts in it
326 [01:18:44] <stoned> It's very nice actually
327 [01:19:24] <stoned> gmail/yahoo/hotmail alrady built in, and them domains/mx stuffs easy peasy.
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331 [01:21:18] <JamieDimon> Molly-guard is awesome.
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349 [01:29:02] <nikitis> Does debian 8 jessie come with firewalld?
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351 [01:29:50] <dTal> seems like it
352 [01:29:57] <nikitis> Is it in use?
353 [01:30:02] <nikitis> or just there ready to be used?
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355 [01:30:21] <nikitis> cause i didn't forward a port
356 [01:30:28] <nikitis> and it's allowing traffic in
357 [01:30:37] <nikitis> forward/open i mean
358 [01:31:11] <markybob> nikitis: it's not installed by default. you have to install/configure it yourself
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360 [01:31:26] <nikitis> Markybob, thanks, all I needed to know
361 [01:31:58] <nikitis> I wrote a Minecraft server installer for CentOS7. And now i'm porting it over to Debian.
362 [01:32:06] <telecity> firewalld?
363 [01:32:15] <nikitis> systemd included firewall
364 [01:32:26] <telecity> oh shit
365 [01:32:27] <nikitis> like iptables, but a replacement for it,
366 [01:32:41] <nikitis> It's actually simpler to use imo
367 [01:32:47] <telecity> simpler than ufw?
368 [01:32:57] <nikitis> haven't used ufw
369 [01:33:06] <nikitis> simpler than iptables
370 [01:33:18] <telecity> ufw is a wrapper over iptables, what could be simpler
371 [01:33:32] <nikitis> When enabled, everything is blocked, and you just open what you want as you need it with simpler one liners
372 [01:33:40] <telecity> yes, that's what ufw does
373 [01:33:48] <telecity> sets the default policy to DROP
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375 [01:33:58] <telecity> iptables -P INPUT DROP
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377 [01:34:03] <nikitis> it also can create zones with firewalld
378 [01:34:09] <telecity> ufw too
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380 [01:34:21] <telecity> ufw comes installed as a dep I think
381 [01:34:24] <nikitis> Probably the RPM answer
382 [01:34:27] <markybob> nikitis: yeah but move to #debian-offtopic if you don't have support questions please
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385 [01:34:54] <telecity> markybob: asshole
386 [01:35:05] <telecity> but you have me on /ignore you won't see this
387 [01:35:31] <nikitis> markybob: i was discussing with someone you had have muted
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396 [01:36:21] <telecity> god damn systemd is like another os in the debian os
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402 [01:37:48] <nikitis> Yeah that would be a topic for off-topic
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405 [01:38:23] <nikitis> i dont disagree though
406 [01:38:48] <telecity> feeling comfortable in iptables alone
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412 [01:41:41] <foul_owl> How do I install xv in debian?
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444 [01:59:30] <siloxid> in gnome, there is some kind of touchpad gesture that makes all my windows zoom out and display in a row. how can I disable this? I don't see any way in the Settings
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447 [02:00:12] <siloxid> I'm not sure what exactly the gesture is though, as it only happens when I'm typing and my hand is near the touchpad
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449 [02:00:50] <siloxid> (the touchpad is hyper-sensitive)
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451 [02:00:55] <markybob> siloxid: i don't use gnome but my guess it's in gnome-tweak-tool
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457 [02:03:30] <mutante> siloxid: when i go to the gnome tweak tool, keyboard and mouse, there is Touchpad and it has 4 click methods: Areas, Fingers, Default and None . i'm not sure. but sounds like something to try out
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461 [02:04:09] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> How reliable is a dist-upgrade on Debian? On Ubuntu it tends to break Ubuntu.
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463 [02:04:40] <siloxid> ah, thanks! now that I'm looking in there, maybe it's actually the L-Super key
464 [02:05:02] <markybob> Heart-Of-A-Lion: depends. wheezy->jessie breaks apache quite a bit. there's always stuff like that. it's why you read the release notes
465 [02:05:08] <rainfyre> Heart-Of-A-Lion: my dist-upgrades have been smooth since squeeze
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467 [02:05:32] <mutante> smooth besides Apache 2.2 > 2.4 like already said
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469 [02:05:55] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Which branch are we talking here, Unstable, Testing or Stable?
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472 [02:06:24] <markybob> Heart-Of-A-Lion: this is the stable channel. for testing/unstable is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
473 [02:06:35] <mutante> stable
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475 [02:06:50] <mutante> jessie is the current stable and has Apache 2.4
476 [02:06:59] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Aha okay
477 [02:08:20] <siloxid> Heart-Of-A-Lion: are you talking dist-upgrade of a major release to another or just day-to-day updates?
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483 [02:13:40] <siloxid> Heart-Of-A-Lion: both have been extremely stable for me in the last two years
484 [02:14:06] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Major release
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537 [02:38:18] <nath> morning everybody, I have a weird problem. I use a "Plug and Play - MIDI Keyboard" it is working fine right away, ports show up as HuaXing. funny thing is that it works on my notebook only of the power is disconnected and I'm on battery mode. As soon as I plug in the cable, the HuyXing drivers connect/disconnect again and again---
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543 [02:40:20] <nath> *only if...
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633 [03:46:09] <hotwings> any idea when nvidia driver 352.79-8 is going to make it to debian testing? cant update to stable kernel 4.6 until 352.79-8 comes in
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635 [03:47:12] <markybob> hotwings: testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic that no one ever reads
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640 [03:50:06] <hotwings> markybob - the topic is cut off here, i assume that info is in the last part
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642 [03:51:09] <hotwings> surprised after decades of irc that people still write topics that are too long ;)
643 [03:51:17] <hotwings> thanks btw
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646 [03:52:15] <markybob> fits here in irssi. set by jelly on may 4th
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649 [03:53:06] <hotwings> 2 tier problem.. client limits, server limits
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668 [04:01:07] <barravince> does anyone here use debian HURD?
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670 [04:02:29] <markybob> barravince: probably not here. in #debian-hurd on irc.oftc.net
671 [04:02:40] <barravince> thanks
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682 [04:07:20] <k_sze[work]> fffffff...
683 [04:07:43] <k_sze[work]> There seems no way to initiate a clean shutdown of the Jetson TK1 by pressing a hardware button.
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685 [04:08:31] <markybob> so shocking that nvidia does stupid things and break
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711 [04:25:49] <k_sze[work]> markybob: I can smell the sarcasm.
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713 [04:27:01] <FarbrorAlBot> Free web host accounts at replaced-url
714 [04:27:01] <FarbrorAlBot> limited account go fast replaced-url
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717 [04:28:08] <dvs> yippie!
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729 [04:37:45] <Lope> how can I make rpcbind start before $remote_fs on Debian wheezy? When I try I just get boot loops.
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731 [04:37:55] <Lope> I want my NFS in /etc/fstab to mount.
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736 [04:40:25] <luxio> Let's say I were to run an old version of Debian (let's say, lenny, for example)
737 [04:40:38] <luxio> What would be the disadvantages?
738 [04:40:58] <markybob> no security whatsoever. you're going to be hacked.
739 [04:41:34] <luxio> What?
740 [04:41:37] <luxio> Are there security flaws?
741 [04:42:43] <markybob> of course. you're using really outdated software with no security backported. you're fucked.
742 [04:42:52] <dvs> luxio, Of course there are. They find security flaws everyday.
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754 [04:49:59] <dTal> ahh, I remember when lenny was new
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758 [04:55:30] <mtnman> how can i remove a device that shows up with "hcitool dev"??
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767 [05:02:03] <jim> what would I install that's free software that can compile and interpret java classes that may have been built with sun jdk?
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770 [05:02:39] <prussian> idk, does OpenJDK not work?
771 [05:03:30] <jim> I just didn't remember the name... what's the package name for that? openjdk?
772 [05:03:48] <prussian> idk
773 [05:03:53] <prussian> apt search openjdk?
774 [05:03:55] <markybob> apt-cache search openjdk
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780 [05:05:13] <jim> thanks
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823 [05:33:56] <mtnman> how can i remove a bluetooth device that appears in the output of "hcitool dev"?
824 [05:34:56] <mtnman> i tried "bluez-simple-agent hci0 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx remove" but no luck....
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859 [05:52:53] <mtnman> amazing so many people on the channel and _no_ conversation
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862 [05:55:54] <mtnman> is there _anybody_ out there??
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871 [05:58:53] <gannebraemorr> I'm here, but not a helper really. Just lurking.
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896 [06:16:52] <lucas-arg> hello all
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898 [06:17:05] <lucas-arg> does any one know a good software to do statistics with debian??
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930 [06:46:48] <renzhi> anyone has problem with rts5227 card reader on debian 8.4?
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933 [06:48:05] <renzhi> everytime I come back from hibernation, the mmc device is gone, and unload and reload the rtsx_pci modules does not work
934 [06:48:38] <renzhi> loading the module always returns the error -110
935 [06:48:57] <renzhi> a reboot usually works though
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937 [06:51:57] <gtristan> Hi, I have a situation where a client handed off a machine to me for which the OS is some downstream of debian, however their sources.list points to a repo which doesnt exist
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940 [06:52:18] <gtristan> All I need to do is build some software and test it, but the machine lacks build-essential and git
941 [06:52:38] <gtristan> so, I was hoping to just yank that from upstream debian stretch
942 [06:53:18] <gtristan> I added that to sources.list and ran apt-get update... and on apt-get install build-essential, it tells me that it's going to remove a handful of packages
943 [06:53:58] <gtristan> so I wonder, is there some hack I can pull off to get build-essential installed here without removing the packages which are currently unreachable ?
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980 [07:13:57] <gtristan> use the sudo apt-get install --dont-remove-anything-at-all-possibly-resulting-in-broken-pkg-db-which-I-dont-care-about option maybe ?
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983 [07:15:21] <gtristan> or perhaps... sudo apt-get install --alternative-sysroot=/opt ? (perhaps installing a crap ton of stuff into an alternative sysroot without causing any harm to the base system ?)
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987 [07:15:38] <jmcnaught> gtristan: you're better off asking in the support channel or forum of that distro
988 [07:15:49] <jmcnaught> !based on debian
989 [07:15:49] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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992 [07:17:17] <gtristan> jmcnaught, its not a distro really, apt is only available for dev purposes after unlocking that and disabling the ostree repo stuff, except that the deb source is unavailable
993 [07:17:43] <gtristan> I just need to use the debian *tooling* to pull out build essential or even just a compiler
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997 [07:19:02] <jmcnaught> gtristan: i don't get what you mean. is it a derivative of debian, or is a frankdebian hybrid?
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1000 [07:19:41] <jmcnaught> if it's originally wheezy or jessie, don't install stuff from testing, you cannot mix releases like that.
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1002 [07:20:25] <gtristan> Its a device which uses some readonly-ostree to perform atomic updates, the content of which is contructed with a debian downstream
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1004 [07:20:56] <gtristan> they provide a script to undo that, purely for possibly destructive hacking purposes
1005 [07:21:24] <gtristan> but the repo is not online... my only task: Compile a specific software on that device and see if it works
1006 [07:22:01] <gtristan> for that I will need to build and install libgsystem, ostree and another package from source
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1009 [07:23:04] <gtristan> Sure, I could wait until those people on the west coast of america start waking up after midnight here and see about it, but it would be great to not lose a day and just force install some build tools
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1015 [07:25:03] <jmcnaught> gtristan: sounds like you should wait for the support of the people who provide this system if you cannot install packages because of some non-Debian repo setup
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1018 [07:30:41] <gtristan> :-S
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1031 [07:35:48] * gtristan thinks he can get away with using a live bootable USB of any armhf debian system until then
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1041 [07:41:33] <vvande> somebody got a link to a Debian ISO that does not have a preselected DE?
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1044 [07:43:26] <jmcnaught> vvande: the download link at replaced-url
1045 [07:43:40] <vvande> thanks
1046 [07:43:53] <vvande> that is what I've been looking at, and can't find what I want
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1049 [07:44:13] <vvande> I'm looking for just the OS so I can install the DE of my choice after
1050 [07:44:24] <vvande> like fluxbox or KDE
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1053 [07:47:35] <jmcnaught> vvande: the installer has a "select software" stage where "desktop environment" is often checked by default. you can unselect this task, and install whatever you want with the package manager after the first boot
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1056 [07:48:29] <vvande> thanks :)
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1059 [07:49:42] <jmcnaught> vvande: you can also choose KDE on that screen, the installer has six (i think) different DE to choose from in the installer
1060 [07:49:45] <vvande> I know how to configure an already installed system / delete stuff and add another desktop environment. I have a number of desktop machines. however, I was hoping that Debian would offer something basic for a CD image. I'll keep Googling - I'm sure it's there somewhere.
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1062 [07:50:17] <vvande> is there not a basic system for downloadine - I'm looking for Debian 7
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1064 [07:50:27] <jmcnaught> vvande: what do you mean "basic"?
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1069 [07:51:50] <vvande> how about a server version?
1070 [07:52:17] <vvande> I've ended up with Gnome on my previous installs and it's a bit of a drag.
1071 [07:52:22] <jmcnaught> vvande: the net installer linked to on the front page is what you want. just deselect desktop environment
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1073 [07:52:39] <vvande> Can I put that on a CD?
1074 [07:53:07] <jmcnaught> vvande: are you trying to build a live CD or soemthing?
1075 [07:53:19] <jmcnaught> or do you just want to install Debian?
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1077 [07:53:26] <vvande> OK, I'll come clean. :)
1078 [07:53:39] <vvande> I just installed VirtualBox for the first time and wanted a CD to try.
1079 [07:54:08] <vvande> I've got a lot of Debian images in stock, but thought I'd see what else was out there. the site's not too helpful in that regard :(
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1081 [07:54:59] <vvande> I haven't tried VirtualBox before - perhaps it can use the net installer - I'll have to have a read
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1083 [07:55:47] <jmcnaught> vvande: well it's dead simple to install debian without gnome. of course virtualbox can use the net installer, it's a CD that you boot like any other, and downloads packages from the network to install
1084 [07:55:59] <jmcnaught> vvande: replaced-url
1085 [07:56:59] <vvande> jmcnaught: thanks for the confirmation. That's what I needed. I've just pulled out a CD with that on it. So will go ahead and try that as my first Virtual machine.
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1087 [07:57:06] <vvande> wish me luck :)
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1108 [08:06:20] <avis-> do most of you compile caja-dropbox ?
1109 [08:06:27] <avis-> on jessie that is
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1121 [08:13:02] <jmcnaught> avis-: is there a version that will work with the version of MATE in jessie?
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1124 [08:13:25] <jmcnaught> lxsameer: my stock kernel in jessie has an aufs module
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1127 [08:13:58] <avis-> i have not tested the official dropbox deb that could possibly be latest
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1132 [08:16:08] <jmcnaught> avis-: does caja have the spatial mode from old gnome 2 nautilus?
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1155 [08:35:33] <samneo> reev: hi
1156 [08:36:19] <samneo> velly: hi
1157 [08:36:24] <samneo> velly
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1159 [08:36:36] <velly> hi samneo
1160 [08:36:40] <velly> sup
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1220 [09:11:15] <ziz15> hi when i capture photos with cheese the the display is black but when rec a video everything is ok.what could be the reason?thanks
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1232 [09:16:06] <ziz15> hi when i capture photos with cheese the the display is black but when rec a video everything is ok.what could be the reason?thanks
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1310 [09:50:34] <nindustries> When using docker I read " current debian jessie does not support kernel memory limitation" -> is this true?
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1314 [09:52:08] <jelly> nindustries: if you can figure out which specific feature that is, maybe someone can look it up
1315 [09:52:33] <nindustries> CONFIG_MEMCG_SWAP_ENABLED I suppose
1316 [09:52:51] <nindustries> I did add GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="console=ttyS1,9600 cgroup_enable=memory swapaccount=1"
1317 [09:53:56] <jelly> nindustries: grep CONFIG_MEMCG_SWAP_ENABLED /boot/config-*
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1322 [09:55:15] <nindustries> m
1323 [09:55:23] <nindustries> How do I add this in a good way?
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1325 [09:56:09] <jelly> no way around building your own kernel
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1332 [09:57:52] <nindustries> sigh.
1333 [09:57:57] <nindustries> Does ubuntu have this?
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1367 [10:16:16] <jeeger> Greetings! My jessie server has recently taken to starting two competing openvpn processes, with one being left over after systemctl stop openvpn. Why could this be?
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1378 [10:23:33] <AlexPortable> can i somehow automate debian install from network boot?
1379 [10:24:38] <vegardx> PXE + preseed
1380 [10:25:04] <vegardx> But it requires that you have more or less full control over the network, etc.
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1384 [10:26:29] <AlexPortable> i dont have the latter
1385 [10:27:17] <vegardx> Then PXE is not for you.
1386 [10:27:50] <vegardx> But you can still boot the netinst iso and specify a preseed file, but then you're doing 90% of the job anyway.
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1401 [10:35:11] <AlexPortable> okay
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1423 [10:43:37] <unborn> morning all.. guys is debian-update-8.4.0-amd64-CD-8.iso normal iso or its just updated files so I would have to download normal iso with it?
1424 [10:44:13] <babilen> Normal for what?
1425 [10:44:47] <vegardx> I'm going to guess it contains the changes from 8.3.0 to 8.4.0
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1427 [10:45:10] <babilen> You don't want those for a new installation, but for, well, updates from an older release
1428 [10:45:24] <babilen> No idea what is "normal" though ;)
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1431 [10:45:43] <vegardx> If you have a network connection you want to use the netinst image.
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1435 [10:46:42] <unborn> babilen: installation :)
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1437 [10:47:42] <unborn> babilen: so I would just download debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso for standard net install?
1438 [10:48:34] <unborn> why I am asking those idiotic questions.. ah yay sorry :)
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1442 [10:52:19] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
1443 [10:52:19] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
1444 [10:52:30] <babilen> unborn: You might want to use ^^ if your hardware requires firmware
1445 [10:52:31] <Cloudwalker42> hey somone can help my with mailman. The only thing I want to do is to output every mailinglist which is configured
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1447 [10:53:59] <AlexPortable> is it possible to retrieve serial number and set hostname to that?
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1454 [10:55:55] <unborn> babilen: yeah I know them but I like to install drivers manually. Last time I tried to install iso with cinnamon, everything went smooth except that upon finishing install in point after grub install prior removing live user etc.. it froze. I guess the best way would be install normal standard iso and then add dirvers manually. I also discovered last night only that gnome 3 on debian just work as I would like to. Last time Ive installed debian with gui
1455 [10:55:56] <unborn> was debian 6.. since then I always used only without gui.
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1460 [10:56:42] <unborn> what makes me wonder is the number 1, 2, 3 etc aka debian-8.4.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso - I guess that is full iso but just named differently
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1462 [10:57:02] <babilen> unborn: Drivers are normally in the kernel .. there is no need to install them manually. The only bit that might be missing is the firmware that has been removed from Debian kernel packages.
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1467 [10:57:59] <babilen> unborn: The entire DVD/CD/BD sets contain every single package in Debian main. You only need CD1, DVD1 or BD1 for the installation if you don't want to use the netinstall. The installer is the same on all images (modulo some settings) and they simply differ in the packages they contain.
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1469 [10:58:14] <unborn> babilen: ah.. well usually wifi does not work.. rest is working usually perfect.. I am always trying to avoid nvidia or amd graphics.. intel just works fine all the times
1470 [10:58:17] <babilen> If you are fine just downloading packages during the installation I'd just use the netinstall
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1472 [10:58:43] <babilen> unborn: Sure, just saying that *iff* your hardware requires firmware that it might be easier to use the image that comes with firmware right away
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1477 [10:59:47] <unborn> babilen: ah finally I understand what those numbers are.. I was guessing that they may be a bit different as size of the dvds is various. Thank you. I stay with netinstall for simplicity :)
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1484 [11:01:54] <unborn> babilen: yeah thank you! I am going to try replaced-url
1485 [11:02:05] <unborn> babilen: thank you for your help
1486 [11:02:12] <babilen> That's the live image, I wouldn't personally use those for installation
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1488 [11:02:58] <babilen> replaced-url
1489 [11:03:04] <babilen> replaced-url
1490 [11:05:04] <unborn> heh
1491 [11:05:08] <unborn> thank you again!
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1498 [11:08:51] <mase2hotUK> I'm using sendmail via php mail. Looking at mailq total requests it seems to be more than the amount of emails I have sent. Anyone know why this would be?
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1520 [11:23:59] <topi`> any folks using the Catalyst driver with Jessie? it seems it is no longer possible to compile the Catalyst kernel driver from source because of some GPL patch backported
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1528 [11:27:24] <topi`> it *was* possible a while ago to compile the Catalyst driver to suit one's kernel, but it seems no longer so. And we cannot use the vanilla 3.16 debian patched kernel because there is a regression with the rt2800 driver
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1531 [11:29:43] <AlexPortable> how can i remove grub from appearing on boot?
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1534 [11:30:52] <vegardx> You mean, how can I boot without a boot loader?
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1538 [11:33:27] <hyppiebyte> He wants.to hide it because speed up the boot?
1539 [11:33:56] <unborn> AlexPortable: I would be also interested in that
1540 [11:33:59] <AlexPortable> i dont want users to mess with it
1541 [11:34:04] <AlexPortable> it's for a thin client setup
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1543 [11:34:53] <antzero> ^ I'm interested in this too
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1554 [11:39:51] <unborn> AlexPortable: maybe this one helps: replaced-url
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1556 [11:40:23] <unborn> im going to try this once I finish install which is in 50% now..
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1585 [11:51:43] <SagelessFox2> Anyone here?
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1587 [11:52:20] <hyppiebyte> Nope. We all are bots
1588 [11:52:20] <SagelessFox2> How can I let Debian support touch screen on my tablet?
1589 [11:52:32] <SagelessFox2> lol
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1591 [11:53:15] <mati> What do you mean by "let Debian" ?
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1596 [11:54:22] <SagelessFox2> Grammar mistake, I mean:how can I use touch screen on Debian
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1598 [11:54:56] <plasmoduck> SagelessFox2: You want to enable touch screen support on your tablet in Debian?
1599 [11:55:05] <SagelessFox2> Yes
1600 [11:55:14] <plasmoduck> SagelessFox2: What is the make and model of the tablet?
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1603 [11:56:42] <SagelessFox2> Ah, I'll look up the data in details after I come home
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1606 [11:57:50] <AlexPortable> unborn: thanks
1607 [11:57:54] <AlexPortable> grub_timeout = 0 helped
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1613 [12:00:08] <plasmoduck> SagelessFox2: well we cant help you if you dont tell us the model of the tablet.
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1619 [12:03:05] <chele> how do i give different width to different columns when searching with aptitude?
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1635 [12:09:19] <unborn> AlexPortable: great.. Im going to do the same for my server
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1643 [12:15:03] <hyppiebyte> AlexPortable: depending on the grub version you can hide the grub prompt too. It will eventually get deprecated.
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1662 [12:31:09] <dionysus69> if I set nginx worker_processes to more than 1 on a single core/ single threaded vm, does it make a difference?
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1690 [12:43:21] <dionysus69> I have only default actions defined and created by scaffolding which are these: only: [:show, :update, :destroy] but then I can go to the route and I can view indexed items as well as create a record. The record creates with attributes set to null though.
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1693 [12:44:14] <SagelessFox2> plasmoduck: In windows device manager, the touch screen is "KMDF HID minidriver for Touch I2C Device"
1694 [12:44:35] <SagelessFox2> I asked the engineer of the firm
1695 [12:44:59] <SagelessFox2> He said the touch screen is the same as IPad air :|
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1698 [12:45:48] <SagelessFox2> The model is teclast x98 Plus
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1700 [12:45:58] <SagelessFox2> X86 based tablet
1701 [12:46:41] <SagelessFox2> So the question is: how to use touchscreen on my tablet in Debian
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1705 [12:47:15] <SagelessFox2> :|
1706 [12:47:17] <plasmoduck> SagelessFox2: Intel Atom X5 processer?
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1708 [12:47:31] <SagelessFox2> Yes
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1711 [12:48:57] <plasmoduck> SagelessFox2: You could try to install the i2c-tools package.
1712 [12:49:01] <plasmoduck> See if that helps.
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1719 [12:53:43] <AlexPortable> hypermist: grub prompt?
1720 [12:54:10] <SagelessFox2> OK, thanks plasmoduck
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1724 [12:56:12] <hypermist> AlexPortable, huh ?
1725 [12:56:30] <AlexPortable> sorry i meant hyppiebyte
1726 [12:56:41] <hypermist> I was like WAAAAAAAAT xDD
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1728 [12:58:01] <AlexPortable> i noticedx dd
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1760 [13:08:37] <AlexPortable> how can i install citrix?
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1762 [13:09:00] <AlexPortable> dpkg -i icaclient.deb fails because ia32-libs is not installed
1763 [13:09:00] * dpkg installs icaclient.deb fails because ia32-libs is not installed into alexportable's head with a bone saw and a few screws
1764 [13:09:20] <AlexPortable> also it needs lib32asound2 and nspluginwrapper
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1796 [13:21:50] <Gv3s7ACK> Hi
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1800 [13:24:43] <MeanEYE> Hi.
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1807 [13:26:09] <Gv3s7ACK> How are you guys?
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1813 [13:30:14] <zykotick9> AlexPortable: package requiring ia32-libs = a package that isn't staying current, and probably should be avoided YMMV. (also, seems popular with proprietary software... related? I wonder...)
1814 [13:30:32] <AlexPortable> ah
1815 [13:30:34] <AlexPortable> ymmv?
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1817 [13:30:54] <zykotick9> sorry. Your Milage May Vary. <- you may have different results
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1820 [13:32:43] <AlexPortable> okay
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1856 [13:57:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> AlexPortable, openxenmanager is in the debian repos... but the version there is too old
1857 [13:57:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions openxenmanager
1858 [13:57:53] <judd> Package: openxenmanager on amd64 -- jessie: 0.r80+dfsg-4; sid: 0.r80+dfsg-4; wheezy: 0.r80+dfsg-4; stretch: 0.r80+dfsg-4
1859 [13:57:54] <AlexPortable> openxenmanager?
1860 [13:58:00] <AlexPortable> i need receiver
1861 [13:58:06] <AlexPortable> but i think i fixed it with web client
1862 [13:58:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> openxenmanager is the only thing citrix I ever had a need for... or heard about
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1865 [13:59:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> mixing .deb packages from other people into debian often turns out to be a bad idea... often it's better to compile from source
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1870 [14:00:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> AlexPortable, and even if you do it... after you do dpkg -i xxx.deb, you have to run apt-get -f install or aptitude -f install
1871 [14:00:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> to pull in missing dependencies
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1874 [14:01:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> if this is 32 bit, you may have to enable multiarch, too...
1875 [14:01:05] <rsc> How do I file a bug report against a Debian software? ;)
1876 [14:01:20] <teraflops> ,v reportbug
1877 [14:01:21] <judd> Package: reportbug on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.12.6; squeeze-security-lts: 4.12.6+deb6u1; wheezy: 6.4.4+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 6.4.4+deb7u1; jessie: 6.6.3; jessie-backports: 6.6.6~bpo8+1; sid: 6.6.6; stretch: 6.6.6
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1879 [14:02:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> teraflops, that's not - as such - an answer, but a command to the bot
1880 [14:02:35] <rsc> Fedora has a Bugzilla, Debian doesn't seem to have one.
1881 [14:03:00] <teraflops> CutMeOwnThroat: I didnt issue the command for you
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1883 [14:03:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> I know...
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1885 [14:03:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> rsc, just type reportbug on the command line and follow instructions
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1887 [14:03:34] <teraflops> well go help rsc instead talking to me
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1889 [14:04:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> rsc, can be a bit more complicated if your machine cannot send mail directly
1890 [14:04:08] <rsc> CutMeOwnThroat: ush, then e-mail headers from a customer system are public...not an option.
1891 [14:04:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> rsc, the stuff then goes to bugs.debian.org
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1895 [14:04:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> rsc, read manpage. you can export to a file and send copy that into a mail of your liking
1896 [14:05:06] <rsc> CutMeOwnThroat: Debian is complicated :(
1897 [14:05:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> smtp isn't more complicated than http
1898 [14:05:39] <AudacityFailure> Audacity crashes and audio distortion on Jessie. Unable to find cause, unsure whether building the latest version from source is a wise decision
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1902 [14:06:31] <rsc> CutMeOwnThroat: it is, because it gathers information from the system, more as needed.
1903 [14:06:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> then truncate it
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1906 [14:07:31] <rsc> CutMeOwnThroat: did you mean reportbug --output=XXX?
1907 [14:07:33] <leolas> ls
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1910 [14:08:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> I look in the manpage when I use it
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1912 [14:09:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> but yeah
1913 [14:09:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> don't use --offline, though
1914 [14:10:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> and stop worrying so much... it's quite transparent as such
1915 [14:10:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> my main gripe with it is that it publishes your email, so take some spam-trap to send it from
1916 [14:11:04] <rsc> That is another issue, yes. Which is better solved at e.g. bugzilla
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1920 [14:13:22] <AudacityFailure> Attempting to build audacity from source, build-deps have conflicts with packages I need, Jessie. replaced-url
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1924 [14:14:22] <rsc> Ah, was already filed: replaced-url
1925 [14:14:23] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1929 [14:17:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> I knew that would happen
1930 [14:17:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> and that's the reason you should use reportbug :)
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1933 [14:18:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's somewhat good at preventing duplicates
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1937 [14:19:38] <rsc> CutMeOwnThroat: this is not an exclusive feature of reportbug, but works also in Bugzilla ;-)
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1939 [14:20:02] <rsc> More sad thing is that it's not fixed for months through.
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2008 [14:59:53] <archer121> Hey, I just installed debian for my client. He asked me to install LXDE, Apache and basic-linux-utilities when asked. But I forgot about basic linux utilities(or whatever it was called in the menu). So how do I install it post installation?
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2012 [15:01:40] <Brigo> archer121, there is no package named basic-linux-utilities
2013 [15:02:06] <archer121> Brigo: It was something similar to that. it is not the exact name.
2014 [15:02:22] <Brigo> archer121, even so
2015 [15:02:23] <archer121> Brigo: If I remember correctly, it was option no. 11
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2017 [15:02:40] <Brigo> there is some basic packages but they should be already installed.
2018 [15:02:41] <plasmoduck> archer121: are you talking about build-essential ?
2019 [15:02:41] <markybob> archer121: tasksel --task-packages standard
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2023 [15:04:08] <Brigo> archer121, for example, coreutils
2024 [15:04:20] <Tommeh> Hello everyone. Out of interest, do we have a Holger Levson lurking here?
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2027 [15:05:02] <archer121> Nope, guyz, I had to use the non-gui method. So after configuring apt, I was given a mist of softwares to install. I was doing a netinstall
2028 [15:05:16] <archer121> So there was this option no 11.
2029 [15:05:31] <markybob> archer121: right. i answered your question.
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2031 [15:06:56] <markybob> archer121: keep it simple then. just sudo tasksel
2032 [15:07:25] <archer121> markybob: And I get this: replaced-url
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2036 [15:08:22] <markybob> archer121: looks like you have everything to me
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2038 [15:09:26] <Brigo> archer121, trust me, there is not such package.
2039 [15:09:33] <themill> Tommeh: no; best to just ask your question
2040 [15:09:43] <Brigo> archer121, linux is the kernel, that name has no sense.
2041 [15:09:55] <archer121> Brigo: Alright. Thanks.
2042 [15:10:03] <Brigo> archer121, np :)
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2044 [15:10:42] <atracht> hi, I'm having issues getting nfs server working on jessie, it will work initially on install but on any reboot, even after running service restart it won't showup under rpcinfo, no errors
2045 [15:11:58] <donnoc> how can I check which file system I am on? like NTFS or ext2-3
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2048 [15:12:25] <themill> donnoc: the output of "mount"
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2054 [15:13:34] <donnoc> themill: thank you
2055 [15:13:43] <Brigo> atracht, what is the status of the service?
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2058 [15:14:47] <atracht> Brigo when I run service nfs-kernel-server start I don't get any errors
2059 [15:15:12] <Brigo> atracht, systemctl status nfs-kernel-server, if you are using systemd, please.
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2061 [15:17:32] <archer121> Brigo: I found it. replaced-url
2062 [15:18:00] <atracht> Brigo apologies, I don't have the machine on hand at the moment, I'll have to check that later, appreciate the help, what should the status say?
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2067 [15:18:25] <archer121> Brigo: It should be "Satndard System Tools"
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2069 [15:18:42] <Tommeh> themill: ah, no question as such - Holger is meant to be here at RIPE72 in Copenhagen, but I might miss the talk itself. Wanted to see if we could catch-up beforehand :)
2070 [15:18:47] <Tommeh> (in person, as it were)
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2072 [15:18:59] <Tommeh> Not to worry though. Will scour some meeting badges.
2073 [15:19:30] <Brigo> archer121, i don't know i haven't that option in my system
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2075 [15:19:36] <archer121> Brigo: It is standard system utilities. replaced-url
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2077 [15:20:01] <themill> archer121: "tasksel install standard" if you really want all of them
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2083 [15:23:05] <Brigo> atracht, Active: active (running), but i have never used nfs, so i man not an expert.
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2085 [15:23:53] <Brigo> atracht, but systemctl status should be a good start. Then you can check logs with journalctl -b (for checking logs from the boot)
2086 [15:24:11] <atracht> Brigo thanks!
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2088 [15:24:27] <Brigo> atracht, yw. :)
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2110 [15:32:34] <snfgf> With a .deb how can I see the files that are installed by dpkg?
2111 [15:32:50] <snfgf> Cos I installed a package, but it isn't named as I thought it would be.
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2113 [15:34:00] <zalun> I've got issues after installing php5.6
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2116 [15:34:15] <zalun> apache mod php5 fails
2117 [15:34:50] <zalun> libapache2-mod-php5 depends on apache 2.4
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2119 [15:35:02] <zalun> is it not possible to use it with apache 2.4?
2120 [15:35:05] <zalun> sry
2121 [15:35:07] <zalun> apache 2.2
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2136 [15:37:23] <markybob> zalun: sounds like you've got a frankendebian on your hands. paste your sources.list to paste.debian.net
2137 [15:37:45] <zalun> it's digitalocean one
2138 [15:37:47] <zalun> :)
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2146 [15:38:36] <zalun> markybob: replaced-url
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2150 [15:39:06] <markybob> zalun: so you're not even using debian. ask #ubuntu
2151 [15:39:17] <zalun> right :)
2152 [15:39:18] <markybob> !ubuntu
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2154 [15:39:19] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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2167 [15:45:03] <snfgf> what is the recommended frequency for updating/upgrading?
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2171 [15:46:25] <jelly> snfgf: subscribe to debian-security-announce and debian-announce, and track changes relevant to your systems on a daily basis
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2182 [15:48:33] <snfgf> jelly, okay, so i should not put update/upgrade in crontab?
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2185 [15:49:42] <markybob> snfgf: on a stable system this should be okay replaced-url
2186 [15:49:56] <markybob> snfgf: if you have mixed repos don't even think about it
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2207 [15:59:44] <pzn> I have an HD image as a file (created with "dd" of the full device). how can I "expose" its partitions as /dev/xxx1 /dev/xxx2? I know how to expose the full disk as /dev/loop0, but I don't know how to expose the partitions. thanks in advance
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2213 [16:01:20] <frostschutz> pzn, losetup --find --show --partscan file.img and then /dev/loopXpY
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2216 [16:02:34] <frostschutz> or partx/kpartx which creates partition devices under /dev/mapper/
2217 [16:03:34] <jelly> kpartx <3
2218 [16:04:05] <pzn> frostschutz, nice! losetup solves the problem. tks
2219 [16:04:07] <SerajewelKS> ^ the kind of stuff that makes me love linux
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2395 [17:25:35] <Skyrider> What's it called to require a key file in order to login to shell?
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2427 [17:33:44] <vegardx> Public Key Authentication
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2450 [17:44:11] <Skyrider> yes, and thanks :)
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2495 [17:59:49] <Nuri> hi
2496 [17:59:55] <Nuri> I need help
2497 [18:00:04] <win32> Nuri> wlc
2498 [18:00:16] <win32> hosgeldim :P
2499 [18:00:21] <mtn> Ask your question and if anyone can help they will respond.
2500 [18:00:50] <Nuri> rtl_nic/rtl8106e-1.fw
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2502 [18:01:06] <mtn> Nuri: that is not a question, is it?
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2504 [18:02:13] <Nuri> It was the driver installation error
2505 [18:02:49] <mtn> !ask
2506 [18:02:49] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2516 [18:09:11] <mtn> Nuri: if english is not your first language, perhaps there is a channel for your language
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2518 [18:09:32] <Nuri> installation did not detect the network equipment
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2520 [18:09:50] <Nuri> debian version 8.4.0
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2522 [18:10:15] <mtn> Nuri: there is an iso you can get with firmware for many wifi devices. replaced-url
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2524 [18:10:34] <Nuri> error driver rtl_nic/rtl8106e-1.fw
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2526 [18:10:43] <AlexLikeRock> add NON-FREE ad synaptic
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2529 [18:13:22] <vegardx> That can be ard if you don't have internet access.
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2533 [18:14:38] <Nuri> I have internet access
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2537 [18:15:55] <Nuri> How do i introduce a simple way that the driver
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2541 [18:16:25] <Nuri> and flash player :)
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2547 [18:18:22] <Nuri> thank you for your interest
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2551 [18:19:14] <amcorreia> any recommendation for gateway anti-spam/anti-virus?
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2564 [18:22:12] <unborn> amcorreia: ?
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2566 [18:23:01] <amcorreia> unborn, what you didn't understand?
2567 [18:23:54] <unborn> amcorreia: what you mean by gateway anti-spam/anti-virus
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2570 [18:25:07] <amcorreia> unborn, something like this replaced-url
2571 [18:25:34] <unborn> :D
2572 [18:25:43] <unborn> okay now I understand.
2573 [18:25:53] <amcorreia> good
2574 [18:25:56] <afernandez_> wherelse in debian may I start apache2 after dist-upgrade my apache init consist of a number
2575 [18:26:20] <afernandez_> cmd: 1
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2577 [18:26:40] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:/etc/nagios3/conf.d# cat /etc/init.d/apache2
2578 [18:26:42] <afernandez_> 1
2579 [18:26:43] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:/etc/nagios3/conf.d#
2580 [18:26:45] <unborn> amcorreia: you can use calmav I think for 'viruses' and for spam, you can use automatic one in your email client or speak to your email provider to provide you with something like spamassasin
2581 [18:26:48] <afernandez_> I do not know what happened?
2582 [18:26:49] <afernandez_> :(
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2584 [18:27:17] <amcorreia> unborn, my client want a paid solution...i'm using zimbra right now with clamav..
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2586 [18:27:33] <amcorreia> this is why i'm doing some research what are my options
2587 [18:27:43] <unborn> amcorreia: I use on my server spamassasing.. working for me very well
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2589 [18:28:25] <amcorreia> unborn, yes, i like spamassassin too.
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2592 [18:29:01] <unborn> amcorreia: well I can only advice you what I am using so far heh.. its good to have clamav for emails thats true
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2594 [18:29:29] <unborn> afernandez_: services apache restart?
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2596 [18:30:06] <unborn> afernandez_: or su /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
2597 [18:30:11] <amcorreia> i see
2598 [18:30:13] <afernandez_> unborn: the init script for apache just have a number "1"
2599 [18:30:35] <afernandez_> aftert dist-upgrade that happened
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2602 [18:31:13] <unborn> afernandez_: what happen if you do /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
2603 [18:31:41] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 start
2604 [18:31:42] <afernandez_> /etc/init.d/apache2: line 1: 1: command not found
2605 [18:31:44] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~#
2606 [18:31:57] <afernandez_> theres is only a #1 in that scriupt
2607 [18:32:02] <unborn> aha
2608 [18:32:04] <afernandez_> script*
2609 [18:32:05] <unborn> holdon
2610 [18:32:16] <afernandez_> OK
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2615 [18:33:37] <unborn> afernandez_: you did gone from debian 7 to debian 8?
2616 [18:34:36] <afernandez_> i did apt-get dist-upgrade
2617 [18:34:41] <unborn> afernandez_: if you did than possibly apache 2.4 instead of 2.2... however here is my one.. replaced-url
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2619 [18:35:23] <unborn> afernandez_: but this script could be different on yours.. you can always try it out..
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2621 [18:35:58] <afernandez_> uhhh
2622 [18:36:00] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 start
2623 [18:36:01] <afernandez_> /etc/init.d/apache2: line 1: 1: command not found
2624 [18:36:03] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~#
2625 [18:36:04] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~# lsb_release -r
2626 [18:36:06] <afernandez_> Release: 8.4
2627 [18:36:07] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~#
2628 [18:36:09] <afernandez_> :(
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2630 [18:37:08] <afernandez_> is there a way to go back?
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2635 [18:37:29] <afernandez_> cause my nagios broke also
2636 [18:37:35] <afernandez_> the init file also broke
2637 [18:37:43] <afernandez_> there is only a "30" in the file
2638 [18:37:48] <amcorreia> there is a number at first line?
2639 [18:37:55] <afernandez_> yes
2640 [18:37:55] <win32> afernandez_> sudo service apache2 start
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2642 [18:38:02] <afernandez_> no more lines
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2644 [18:38:11] <amcorreia> well, seems like a problem to me
2645 [18:38:16] <unborn> afernandez_: I am afraid its not.. of course nagios would break.. is that multidomain or just one domain?
2646 [18:38:23] <afernandez_> '
2647 [18:38:25] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~# service apache2 start
2648 [18:38:26] <afernandez_> Job for apache2.service failed. See 'systemctl status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
2649 [18:38:28] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~#
2650 [18:38:29] <babilen> afernandez_: You could reinstall apache2 and get the init script back
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2652 [18:38:46] <babilen> But then, if this is on jessie you'd use systemd
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2654 [18:39:01] <babilen> So, just run "service apache2 restart" or use systemctl
2655 [18:39:01] <unborn> afernandez_: also after distro upgrade you should reboot
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2657 [18:39:25] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~# apt-cache policy apache2
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2659 [18:39:27] <afernandez_> apache2:
2660 [18:39:28] <afernandez_> Installed: 2.4.10-10+deb8u4
2661 [18:39:30] <afernandez_> Candidate: 2.4.10-10+deb8u4
2662 [18:39:31] <afernandez_> Version table:
2663 [18:39:33] <afernandez_> *** 2.4.10-10+deb8u4 0
2664 [18:39:33] <win32> afernandez_> sudo systemctl restart apache2.service
2665 [18:39:34] <afernandez_> 500 replaced-url
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2667 [18:39:36] <afernandez_> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
2668 [18:39:37] <afernandez_> 2.4.10-10+deb8u1 0
2669 [18:39:39] <afernandez_> 500 replaced-url
2670 [18:39:40] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~#
2671 [18:39:57] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~# systemctl restart apache2.service
2672 [18:39:58] <babilen> afernandez_: That would be jessie, what does "systemctl apache2.service status" give you? And please do not paste into the channel, but use replaced-url
2673 [18:39:58] <afernandez_> Job for apache2.service failed. See 'systemctl status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
2674 [18:40:00] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~#
2675 [18:40:22] <babilen> So, paste the output of 'systemctl status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn'
2676 [18:40:27] <afernandez_> replaced-url
2677 [18:40:31] <babilen> (and stop pasting into the channel please)
2678 [18:40:37] <BinBasher> ^
2679 [18:40:44] <afernandez_> sorry about the pasting
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2682 [18:41:56] <afernandez_> replaced-url
2683 [18:42:06] <babilen> Did you reboot after the dist upgrade? Did you make the necessary changes for apache 2.4 as outlined in replaced-url
2684 [18:42:31] <afernandez_> I rebooted I did n ot do the link stuff let me read
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2686 [18:42:42] <babilen> afernandez_: It is "systemctl status apache2.service" and "journalctl -xn"
2687 [18:42:54] <babilen> (status before apache2.service)
2688 [18:43:31] <babilen> afernandez_: In particular you have to pay attention to replaced-url
2689 [18:44:07] <markybob> afernandez_: apache 2.4 upgrade breaks very badly. it'll be a painful day. that's why you should read the release notes before upgrading
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2698 [18:45:11] <afernandez_> may unisntalled and install ? this a test box for nagios
2699 [18:45:16] <afernandez_> Nagios broke also
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2707 [18:50:18] <MaxxterEXE> Someone have a solution for me? I want a Simple GUI that only needs to run virtual machines
2708 [18:50:49] <markybob> MaxxterEXE: xfce is pretty simple/light
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2710 [18:51:12] <MaxxterEXE> xfce wrote that one down Thanks
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2712 [18:51:49] <MaxxterEXE> More suggestions?
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2719 [18:55:13] <markybob> MaxxterEXE: lxde fits what you asked for and isn't bad. i prefer xfce though.
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2723 [18:56:11] <n1md4> hi. is it easily possible to put some files on a live linux usb stick?
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2725 [18:57:09] <_0bitcount> MaxxterEXE, fluxbox or Openbox.
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2727 [18:57:17] <Gaiseric> n1md4: Definitely possible, BUT it depends on how the USB stick was created/formatted
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2729 [18:57:47] <n1md4> Gaiseric: the standard debian live iso... so i guess not witout some prior modding in some way ..
2730 [18:57:49] <Gaiseric> There are several methods, some manual, some automated. Generally it is possible though
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2732 [18:58:25] <Gaiseric> No idea about the standard one :(
2733 [18:58:42] <n1md4> okay, well, i'll ask big brother
2734 [18:58:59] <n1md4> Thanks.
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2752 [19:03:45] <dimitry7> Hey Guys!
2753 [19:04:34] <dimitry7> I have a physical server with IP 172.18.8.7 configured for the physical interface. I also have a virtual interface in my server. 172.18.8.8
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2755 [19:05:15] <dimitry7> when I do ssh to another server, I have 172.18.8.7 allowed, but in auth.log appears as 8.8, what can I do so that ssh connects giving the physical address as source address?
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2757 [19:06:16] <socomm> dimitry7: What does 'route -n' give you?
2758 [19:06:18] <ChrisH> dimitry7: bind ssh to 172.18.8.7
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2772 [19:06:39] <Gaiseric> !dpkg
2773 [19:06:39] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
2774 [19:06:41] <socomm> ChrisH: s/he is trying to ssh to another server (if I'm reading correctly)
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2776 [19:06:48] <Gaiseric> !dmo
2777 [19:06:48] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
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2781 [19:07:18] <ChrisH> dimitry7: man sshd_config ListenAddress will set this IP as sender IP
2782 [19:07:30] <dimitry7> socomm, this is route -n: replaced-url
2783 [19:07:34] <markybob> Gaiseric: you can /msg the bot for yourself
2784 [19:07:36] <dimitry7> chris1-, is it possible?
2785 [19:07:45] <dimitry7> oohh, great ChrisH
2786 [19:07:48] <dimitry7> let me do it! :)
2787 [19:07:49] <ChrisH> socomm: yes. I understood his request and this is the easiest way to fix it
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2790 [19:08:30] <ChrisH> socomm,dimitry7 Offline.
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2797 [19:10:20] <dimitry7> ChrisH, ListenAddress 172.18.8.7
2798 [19:10:30] <dimitry7> and still it connects as 8.8 :(
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2802 [19:12:40] <socomm> I'm not sure ChrisH understood the question, or maybe I'm misunderstanding.
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2805 [19:13:32] <socomm> You are connecting from host A to host B - B shows you connecting from IP add 172.18.8.8, when you should be connecting 172.18.8.7, correct?
2806 [19:13:44] <dimitry7> socomm, yes correct
2807 [19:13:51] <dimitry7> 8.7 is physical, 8.8 is virtual
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2812 [19:15:26] <socomm> You could try adding a static route so that any traffic to 172.18.8.0 subnet uses 172.18.8.7
2813 [19:15:39] <socomm> replaced-url
2814 [19:15:53] <dimitry7> socomm, no, I have other servers in the 172.18.8.0/22 segment
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2816 [19:16:02] <dimitry7> everyone uses a different IP address
2817 [19:17:12] <socomm> dimitry7: The easiest would be allow access from 172.18.8.8 ... or add static route to host B
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2819 [19:18:07] <socomm> something like 'ip route add 172.18.8.<ssh server bit> via 172.18.8.7 dev eth0'
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2821 [19:19:17] <dimitry7> socomm, ok ok
2822 [19:19:24] <dimitry7> I'll allow access for 8.8 too
2823 [19:19:25] <dimitry7> :)
2824 [19:19:32] <dimitry7> thank you socomm !!
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2826 [19:19:37] <socomm> np
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2833 [19:21:54] <antzero> How do one install a missing driver on debian? I had the error during the install and skipped it
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2835 [19:22:01] <antzero> I know for sure it's in the non-free repo
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2837 [19:22:23] <antzero> I just add non-free in sources.list and run apt-get upgrade? it will automatically install the missing driver?
2838 [19:23:00] <unborn> antzero: apt-get update and then install what is missing
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2840 [19:23:24] <antzero> apt will automatically install it? or I have to specify the package?
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2843 [19:23:41] <countbackula> try it and report bakc
2844 [19:24:00] <unborn> antzero: you should specify.. if you have no idea what you need to install then install this: replaced-url
2845 [19:24:12] <antzero> the problem is that the missing driver is the network card
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2847 [19:24:29] <antzero> so I have to download the deb from another computer and then install it with dpkg?
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2851 [19:25:16] <unborn> antzero: sorry! this one have it all in replaced-url
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2854 [19:25:43] <countbackula> I need to download a .pem certificate, but in iceweasel, the CA is intercepting the connection and not even displaying the actuall PGP cert text- just a window that says "this certificate is already installed as a certificate authority". Is there a workaround?
2855 [19:25:53] <unborn> antzero: if you dont have internet on that machine then yes..
2856 [19:26:01] <antzero> Perfect, will do
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2861 [19:27:03] <countbackula> sorry- to be more clear, I need the text file saved on my system in order to point a .conf file towards it
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2873 [19:28:10] <somiaj> countbackula: does wget or crul correctly download the file?
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2875 [19:28:23] <somiaj> countbackula: also is there a way to click 'save as' vs just click on the link to download it
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2880 [19:29:09] <countbackula> somiaj: even if I right click the link the error window pops up
2881 [19:29:26] <countbackula> somiaj: let me check my curl version
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2887 [19:31:06] <antzero> worked perfectly
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2907 [19:36:47] <countbackula> somiaj: so turns out wget and curl were hanging up when using IVP6, but works when I use an IPV4 flag. thanks for the tip!
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2934 [19:45:34] <Psychiatrist> Hey guys. If I want to send a string that's not tied to my object from my form in Django -- how would I define it?
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2936 [19:46:32] <Psychiatrist> How would the string end up in the request?
2937 [19:46:33] <markybob> Psychiatrist: i'd ask #django
2938 [19:46:54] <Psychiatrist> omg
2939 [19:47:01] <Psychiatrist> Totally read the channel name wrong
2940 [19:47:09] <Psychiatrist> I'm so sorry.
2941 [19:47:10] <Psychiatrist> Don't mind me
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2949 [19:50:04] <fennesz> Hello ! I am having high cpu usage when watching videos on youtube . I have 2 gpus (one intel and one nvidia ) on an asus n56jr laptop . Can someone help?
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2964 [19:56:01] <radian> Is it a bad idea to install video card drivers from a bash file?
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2968 [19:57:04] <markybob> radian: it's an awful idea and it will break your debian system during the next kernel upgrade or xorg upgrade. don't do it
2969 [19:57:19] <thurstylark> it's probably a bad idea to install video card drivers from unknown sources, yes...
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2972 [19:57:38] <radian> I am trying to install amd drivers for debian 8
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2974 [19:58:41] <thurstylark> radian: replaced-url
2975 [19:59:04] <markybob> i was going to tell him to be specific...that told us nothing
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2981 [20:02:08] <radian> does debian use KDE 5?
2982 [20:02:37] <BinBasher> radian: wich build are you referring to?
2983 [20:02:50] <BinBasher> Jessie?
2984 [20:02:53] <radian> 8.4
2985 [20:03:43] <BinBasher> radian: yes
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2987 [20:04:05] <antzero> oh, on a side note, the zip pack of all non-free firmware are dependent of the version of debian? or I can install the jessie one on strech?
2988 [20:04:09] <BinBasher> radian: no sorry
2989 [20:04:11] <antzero> i.e.
2990 [20:04:13] <BinBasher> it doesn't
2991 [20:05:01] <BinBasher> radian: only sid uses 5 iirc
2992 [20:05:18] <AfterDark> Actually, KDE 5 is in Testing.
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2994 [20:05:39] <AfterDark> replaced-url
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2996 [20:06:13] <AfterDark> So, if you want KDE 5, you want Debian Stretch.
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2998 [20:06:38] <radian> Is that bleeding edge?
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3001 [20:06:55] <BinBasher> oh :o
3002 [20:06:55] <AfterDark> I wouldn't call Testing/Stretch bleeding edge.
3003 [20:07:05] <BinBasher> replaced-url
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3011 [20:11:49] <atracht> finally figured out my nfs problem, but now I can't get the server to start unless I run systemctl restart nfs-kernel-server manually
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3027 [20:22:41] <thurstylark> What's the easiest way to create a deb package? I would like to not spend much time on configuring it if possible.
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3030 [20:25:00] <mutante> thurstylark: probably to take an existing very simple package, unpack it, modify the config files and run debuild
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3032 [20:25:33] <mutante> there's gonna be 10 different tools though .. /me hides
3033 [20:26:44] <thurstylark> sounds good to me. Any suggestions on what package to inspect?
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3089 [20:48:24] <da3m0n22> hi, jessie-backports, openjdk-8-jre-headless=8u91-b14-1~bpo8+1 , it apparently uses utility "mountpoint" from "util-linux" which is not available, so installation always fails in .postinst script
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3091 [20:49:15] <markybob> ,v util-linux
3092 [20:49:16] <judd> Package: util-linux on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.17.2-9; wheezy: 2.20.1-5.3; jessie: 2.25.2-6; stretch: 2.28-5; sid: 2.28-5
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3094 [20:49:41] <markybob> da3m0n22: it's available. your sources.list is probably fucked
3095 [20:49:42] <da3m0n22> here util-linux=2.25.2-6
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3097 [20:49:58] <da3m0n22> no, util-linux is installed, but it doesn't contain utility "mountpoint"
3098 [20:50:09] <da3m0n22> similar bug is #803717
3099 [20:50:10] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3108 [20:53:15] <markybob> da3m0n22: read message #30 and #35 in the bug report
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3110 [20:54:49] <da3m0n22> oh jeez, sorry for i cannot read properly, yes, solution is correct, thank you
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3122 [20:59:32] <devster31> I suppose there's absolutely no way to kill a process in the D state such as sync?
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3132 [21:02:48] <rardiol> what's the license of debian itself?
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3139 [21:04:37] <markybob> rardiol: read replaced-url
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3143 [21:06:56] <rardiol> markybob: I only see talk about the packages. I want to know the license the things that belong to debian itself (for example package.debian.tar.gz)
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3145 [21:07:51] <rardiol> debian's patches and so on
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3153 [21:09:59] <markybob> rardiol: gplv2 mostly
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3171 [21:15:21] <rardiol> markybob: ok, thanks
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3201 [21:30:44] <devster31> how can I list packages that are half configured or not completely installed?
3202 [21:31:18] <greycat> devster31: dpkg -l | grep -v '^.[^ic]'
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3205 [21:31:34] <greycat> err...
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3208 [21:32:02] <greycat> Take out the -v. I double negatived myself.
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3212 [21:33:17] <devster31> thanks, can I dpkg --configure <packagename> them individually?
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3214 [21:33:42] <greycat> Yes, if you want.
3215 [21:33:52] <devster31> i'm trying to salvage a dying system, it got stuck configuring kernel-bootloader updates so I'm trying to configure them manually
3216 [21:34:14] <greycat> I'd normally start with "dpkg --configure -a" and let that sort out the easy ones.
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3218 [21:34:28] <devster31> ye, that's the problem
3219 [21:34:31] <devster31> sync doesn't work
3220 [21:34:39] <devster31> and basically every script has multiple sync calls
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3229 [21:36:14] <greycat> You mean /bin/sync from coreutils? Really?
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3238 [21:38:24] <devster31> yep, told you it's dying
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3243 [21:39:52] * PadawanLearner may the force be with you
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3247 [21:42:13] <devster31> to be fair it's strange, cause everything else keeps working
3248 [21:42:55] <jhutchins> devster31: sync not working sounds line a hardware problem - can't write the buffer to the device.
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3252 [21:45:37] <teraflops> PadawanLearner: replaced-url
3253 [21:45:39] <teraflops> :P
3254 [21:46:07] <devster31> jhutchins: it most likely is, it's an old flash storage, the strange thing is that I can still download files to it, and move stuff, which should have issues right?
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3309 [22:05:24] <PadawanLearner> teraflops: LoL
3310 [22:06:38] <teraflops> ;)
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3324 [22:11:57] <jhutchins> devster31: YOu could theoretically be writing to the buffers, or it could be writing to the device but never completing/acknowledging.
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3331 [22:13:40] <tropo> hi
3332 [22:13:45] <snfgf> Hello!
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3339 [22:14:59] <niggard> hello, how to wget from an ssh server?
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3341 [22:15:26] <greycat> You don't, obviously.
3342 [22:15:33] <greycat> You sftp or scp or ssh or sshfs-mount instead.
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3344 [22:16:18] <tropo> assume i make a application which lists all available wireless networks. For that, I'd have to get that info from my wireless card. What's the proper way to get this information? Is there something like a service/api or whatever I can access?
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3346 [22:16:38] <niggard> how to use 'ssh' to download a file?
3347 [22:16:53] <greycat> ssh user@host 'cat /the/file' > localfilename
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3350 [22:17:09] <jhutchins> greycat: Tricky.
3351 [22:17:18] <teraflops> niggard: does scp count?
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3353 [22:17:52] <jhutchins> tropo: Something like iwlist scanning
3354 [22:18:10] <jhutchins> tropo: iwlist <interface> scanning
3355 [22:18:16] <niggard> thx, ssh way worked
3356 [22:18:18] <greycat> If it's a single file, scp is the more obvious way to do it.
3357 [22:18:58] <greycat> If this is going to be an ongoing thing, I'd sshfs mount it and then use cp and so on.
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3359 [22:19:22] <jhutchins> rsync
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3361 [22:19:53] <greycat> Yeah, that too. Depends on the actual task.
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3363 [22:20:09] <tropo> jhutchins, I'm new to this kind of coding, but do you mean that I basically run the command via code and then save the output and do whatever I like with it? (so basically string operations?)
3364 [22:20:17] <niggard> how to mount sshfs? I tried, it didn't work via fuse or something
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3368 [22:21:02] <trysten> i need a crashcourse in systemctl. my jessie box is not booting because the LVM is incomplete. well ok, i know. how do i systemctl removedep early-lvm-activation.service or something like that
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3370 [22:21:12] <niggard> can I use ssh alias in /etc/fstab to mount sshfs?
3371 [22:21:32] <trysten> niggard: be more specific with the error. maybe.
3372 [22:21:48] <greycat> niggard: on which version of Debian? In wheezy there's a fuse group you have to be in, but in jessie there is not.
3373 [22:21:52] <trysten> niggard: replaced-url
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3375 [22:22:48] <niggard> on 8.4
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3377 [22:23:23] <greycat> In jessie you just run an sshfs command.
3378 [22:23:46] <trysten> how do i remove a systemctl boot dependency? i wish my system to boot even though an LVM is "degraded" or whatever
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3381 [22:24:22] <markybob> niggard: sshfs isn't installed by default, btw. you probably have to apt-get install it if something else hasn't brought it in yet
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3383 [22:24:39] <niggard> I installed it
3384 [22:24:45] <niggard> I failed to automount it
3385 [22:25:10] <greycat> I am not familiar with having autofs run non-root USER mount commands....
3386 [22:25:24] <greycat> sshfs is something you do as yourself, the user, not as root.
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3392 [22:25:52] <teraflops> Why don't you boot with a debian iso chroot into it and fix the stuff?
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3395 [22:26:51] <snfgf> I am configuring a program and the docs say it will support MYSQL if the libraries are found. Configure reports MYSQL supprt: no. How do I check if I have development libraries installed?
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3397 [22:27:12] <greycat> libmysqlclient-dev
3398 [22:27:24] <niggard> ah
3399 [22:27:30] <niggard> so that's why it doesn't work
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3401 [22:27:53] <niggard> I have ssh keys as a user, not as root
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3403 [22:28:06] <snfgf> greycat, find / -name "libmysqlclient-dev", is a good way to search?
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3405 [22:28:25] <greycat> snfgf: gaaaah, no, just use apt-get install libmysqlclient-dev or dpkg -l libmysqlclient-dev to verify it.
3406 [22:28:39] <jhutchins> locate libmysqlclient-dev
3407 [22:28:43] <snfgf> thanks
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3409 [22:28:49] <niggard> teraflops: did you address your last message to me?
3410 [22:28:56] <greycat> use the package manager to verify the installation of packages
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3412 [22:29:18] <teraflops> niggard: nope. It was to trysten
3413 [22:30:05] <greycat> P.S. this is what I did to find the package name: apt-cache search --names-only mysql dev
3414 [22:30:22] <greycat> Gave 11 results, and I selected the one that looked right.
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3419 [22:30:56] <jhutchins> tropo: Sorry, rl. Try it and see if what you get is useful. It's fairly common to manipulate output with awk to strip unnecessary stuff.
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3422 [22:31:38] <tropo> jhutchins, Im just doing it for fun and to learn - which includes that I want to get it correct ;) but sure, thanks - it's a start. :)
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3427 [22:32:35] <jhutchins> tropo: cut and tr are useful for manipulating strings as well
3428 [22:32:43] <greycat> cut is almost always the wrong answer
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3432 [22:33:28] <jhutchins> greycat: I think I used it to grab just the ip address from ifconfig eth0 in an early personal dyndns script.
3433 [22:33:42] <greycat> jhutchins: I won't dispute that you used it, but....
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3435 [22:34:02] <jhutchins> greycat: There was probably a more elegant way, but I got that to work.
3436 [22:34:06] <greycat> jhutchins: replaced-url
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3438 [22:34:31] <jhutchins> Problem was I was posting the output to a VMS filesystem that had versioning. Eventually, I filled up the disk and crashed the server (took a couple of years).
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3440 [22:35:21] <greycat> "How do I extract my IP address from ifconfig" is a FAQ in #bash and it's a wrong question.
3441 [22:35:21] <vanwhy> ok to ask for Sid support in here?
3442 [22:35:30] <niggard> does sshfs support ssh_config aliases?
3443 [22:35:45] <greycat> It should.
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3445 [22:35:58] <greycat> TIAS
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3448 [22:37:01] <vanwhy> after a recent dist-upgrade it looks like libinput has taken over from synaptics, how can i configure tap-to-click and etc. on sid?
3449 [22:37:07] <niggard> executing 'sshfs sshserveralias ~/mount/ssh -C -o allow_other' results into 'missing host, see `ssh -h' for usage
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3451 [22:38:23] * trysten notes that sshfs -h from wheezy prints some to stdout and some to stderr
3452 [22:38:27] <trysten> weird..
3453 [22:38:43] <trysten> niggard: looks like the colon following the host is required
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3455 [22:39:32] <teraflops> vanwhy: this channel is for stable.
3456 [22:39:49] <vanwhy> teraflops: k, thx. which is the sid channel? I can't get into #debian-next
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3459 [22:40:41] <greycat> trysten: confirmed. Works for me with the : after the pseudonym in .ssh/config
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3461 [22:40:45] <teraflops> It's in irc.oftc.net
3462 [22:40:51] <vanwhy> k, ty
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3469 [22:41:13] <niggard> thx trysten, had also to uncomment a line in /etc/fuse.conf
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3477 [22:42:32] <niggard> what's 'tias'?
3478 [22:42:36] <greycat> Try It And See
3479 [22:42:42] <devster31> jhutchins: any way to be completely sure? cause I have backups, if it really is fried I'll just bin it
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3483 [22:43:06] <niggard> why do you force this abbreviation?
3484 [22:43:12] <niggard> no one else uses it
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3486 [22:43:16] <greycat> !tias
3487 [22:43:16] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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3489 [22:43:30] <greycat> !factinfo tias
3490 [22:43:30] <dpkg> tias -- last modified at Thu Aug 13 10:38:32 2009 by themill!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 268 times, last by greycat, 14s ago.
3491 [22:43:39] <markybob> niggard: sure we do
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3493 [22:43:57] <niggard> 268 times for 7 years
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3495 [22:44:09] <niggard> I bet 268 of them were used by greycat :)
3496 [22:44:13] <markybob> you don't usually have to tell people what it means
3497 [22:44:22] <markybob> even if they don't know they can google
3498 [22:44:29] <niggard> I searched in urbandictionary
3499 [22:44:31] <niggard> none
3500 [22:44:44] <markybob> yeah. geek != urban
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3504 [22:46:10] <niggard> try&c is 1 letter longer and way mroe self-explanatory
3505 [22:46:16] <niggard> more*
3506 [22:46:39] <greycat> you're just making up new shit instead of using an acronym that has been in common use on this IRC network for *at least* 7 years
3507 [22:46:40] <markybob> niggard: great. you use it mate.
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3510 [22:46:59] <foul_owl> Is there a way to tell how long xscreensaver has been running? ie, ensure that no one has logged into a system?
3511 [22:47:10] <greycat> foul_owl: ps will show you when the process started
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3522 [22:47:47] <foul_owl> Hmm but that's the xscreensaver server
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3526 [22:48:13] <foul_owl> I want to know how long the actual screensaver piece of it has been running
3527 [22:48:15] <greycat> The... what... OK, I give up. It's another damned GUI question that nobody can ever understand unless they use that GUI.
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3529 [22:48:28] <greycat> Good luck.
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3545 [22:54:21] <trysten> lol @ niggard suggestion of a different acronym
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3547 [22:55:12] <niggard> I'd rather not use any acronym for that at all
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3549 [22:55:44] <markybob> my /ignore list just keeps growing
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3563 [23:00:10] <jhutchins> devster31: smartmon_tools can do some analysis, there may already be stuff in dmesg or syslog.
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3567 [23:01:27] <niggard> can one add an alias that contains two words?
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3569 [23:01:36] <niggard> I tried and it didn't work
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3571 [23:02:03] <greycat> A shell alias?
3572 [23:02:12] <niggard> yeah, any shell
3573 [23:02:18] <niggard> maybe there's a syntax issue, like I'm supposed to enclose the left part (alias name) into quotes just as I do for the right part
3574 [23:02:23] <greycat> A bash alias has to be a single word.
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3576 [23:03:04] <greycat> The bash parser lexes the command line into words, and then sees if the first word is the name of an alias, etc.
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3578 [23:03:33] <greycat> (There are a million esoteric rules and glitches. It's like the most complicated godawful language ever created.)
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3580 [23:04:02] <niggard> can an alias be like a variable - just get replaced into some arbitrary text (so that I could use it to parameters for a command)?
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3584 [23:05:04] <greycat> No. Aliases are only expanded for the first word in the command (the command name).
3585 [23:05:29] <greycat> If you want a variable expansion in the middle of the command, you need to put $ in front of it, and quote properly.
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3603 [23:09:26] <niggard> I guess I can make use of a function instead
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3623 [23:16:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> why'd you want to do any of that anyway
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3632 [23:18:18] <niggard> I wanted to make an alias 'fuse sshserver' to mount it to the pre-defined dir, since I try to make things universal - I thought that once I'd maybe have access to more than 1 ssh server and thus I'd rather keep 2 words in the alias
3633 [23:18:36] <niggard> fuse sshserver, defuse sshserver. short and awesome.
3634 [23:19:34] <markybob> he means why don't you just merge like normal folk?
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3636 [23:19:58] <niggard> sorry? what do you mean by merge?
3637 [23:20:11] <niggard> oh, you mean merge 2 words into something like fusesshserver?
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3641 [23:20:23] <markybob> yes
3642 [23:21:03] <greycat> niggard: that's fine if "fuse" is a shell function.
3643 [23:21:17] <greycat> fuse() { sshfs "$1": /my/directory; }
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3648 [23:23:05] <greycat> defuse() { fusermount -u /my/directory; }
3649 [23:23:08] <niggard> greycat: but unlike in the variant suggested by markybob - I lose the autocomplete functionality this way, is there a way to not lose it?
3650 [23:23:17] <greycat> Oh fuck autocompletion.
3651 [23:23:37] <niggard> well, screw typos as well
3652 [23:23:39] <markybob> yeah. i tap out at that as well
3653 [23:23:42] <greycat> Gods. I'm sure one could write a bash completion function for your ssh servers, but I won't be the one to do it.
3654 [23:24:15] <niggard> bash_autocompletion is something I haven't yet learned.
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3662 [23:25:56] <snfgf> any difference between dpkg-query -l and dpkg -l
3663 [23:25:56] <niggard> I switched to zsh to give it a good try and basically converted .bashrc to .zshrc (using their script), but bash_autocompletion gives errors: replaced-url
3664 [23:25:57] <snfgf> ?
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3666 [23:26:31] <greycat> Occasionally someone in #bash will understand bash's programmable completion, but there's no guarantee.
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3668 [23:26:40] <greycat> Most of us just don't touch it at all.
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3680 [23:32:44] <SerajewelKS> is there some setting for mdraid/lvm that throttles read/write requests? i have an lvm volume in a raid1 and i'm extracting a tar file (which mostly contains tar files) and according to pv, it's peaking at about 30MB/s !?
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3685 [23:33:10] <SerajewelKS> there is no way these HDs can do 30MB/s max even with seeking to extract a tar
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3688 [23:33:35] <greycat> Did you expect it to be lower, or higher?
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3691 [23:34:49] <SerajewelKS> significantly higher
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3694 [23:35:04] <greycat> Solid state?
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3696 [23:35:11] <SerajewelKS> i mean fuck, 30MB/s is USB2 half duplex speed
3697 [23:35:22] <greycat> Bus speed and drive speed are usually not related.
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3699 [23:35:41] <SerajewelKS> no but i'd expect an internal SAN drive to be able to pull more than this
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3702 [23:35:59] <greycat> What is an "internal SAN"? Is it SATA? SCSI? IDE?
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3704 [23:36:09] <SerajewelKS> SATA3
3705 [23:36:13] <greycat> Is it a spinning magnetic disk, or solid state?
3706 [23:36:59] <SerajewelKS> spinning magnetic, product specs claim average transfer speeds around 145MB/s. i know copying data to the same drive causes seek overhead, but i didn't think it would be that awful.
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3709 [23:37:25] <greycat> That sounds like a vastly inflated average transfer speed.
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3712 [23:38:29] <HarveyPwca> replaced-url
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3715 [23:38:50] <afernandez_> what am I missing?
3716 [23:38:52] <afernandez_> replaced-url
3717 [23:39:01] <afernandez_> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)"
3718 [23:39:14] <SerajewelKS> greycat: i suppose in perspective, i'm also writing 30MB/s
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3723 [23:41:18] <jmcnaught> afernandez_: probably something broken in kanotix, you should ask in #kanotix instead. Debian 8 has monitoring-plugins 2.1.1 as a package
3724 [23:41:49] <afernandez_> OK Thank you.
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3727 [23:42:44] <matte0> does anyone know the best way to remediate CVE-2015-5600 in Debian Jessie 8.4?
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3729 [23:42:48] <HarveyPwca> Whether the SAN is 'internal' or 'external' would depend on your perspective. In other words, is the storage area internal to your network or external to it. Complicating matters is "The Cloud" because that can end up being your LAN… in which case your SAN is indeed on your LAN but that is actually part of a WAN.
3730 [23:44:10] <jmcnaught> matte0: did you see the note? replaced-url
3731 [23:44:15] <HarveyPwca> BTW, all of these are hardware agnostic. The actual hardware where the data is stored can be IDE, SATA, SCSI, SSD.
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3733 [23:44:51] <HarveyPwca> Or some combination of them.
3734 [23:45:10] <afernandez_> how do i install sslutils in debian 8?
3735 [23:45:29] <jhutchins> SerajewelKS: USB?
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3738 [23:46:22] <jhutchins> SerajewelKS: n'mind, stuck in the scrollback again.
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3745 [23:51:52] <markybob> afernandez_: we already know you're not using debian.
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3747 [23:52:42] <afernandez_> So if I am not using Debian I can not ask a debian related question?
3748 [23:53:15] <Scourje> It makes me wonder
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3750 [23:54:03] <markybob> afernandez_: you're asking for help for a derivative. we all know this. makes us not want/able to help no matter how much you change the story
3751 [23:56:01] <jmcnaught> afernandez_: yes, this channel is only for Debian not derivatives
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3758 [23:58:44] <afernandez_> Thanks I installed monitoring-plugins 2.1.1 and i move them to the correct dir .
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