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15 [00:07:04] <bob121212> Hi, can anyone help me with installing a gtk3 theme?
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17 [00:08:18] <bob121212> Anyone that could help me out?
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23 [00:10:05] <bob121212> is anyone online?
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26 [00:10:48] <teraflops> bob121212: I guess is better asking: hi i have this gtk3 theme (provide the url if it's not packaged) I get this error (errors here) when trying to install it, also I'm trying to install this way ...
27 [00:11:52] <bob121212> Hi, I have this gtk3 theme: replaced-url
28 [00:12:20] <markybob> bob121212: you might need to log out and back in
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30 [00:12:53] <markybob> but i don't use gtk3...so...i don't really know much on the topic
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36 [00:14:57] <bob121212_> I tried to log in and out, but that did not work
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38 [00:15:20] <markybob> bob121212: did you restart all of x? the WM?
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43 [00:17:32] <teraflops> bob121212_: can you see the theme via lxappearance or whatever you use to pick themes? (unless you use a plain settings.ini file)
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45 [00:18:05] <markybob> bob121212_: it's gnome?
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48 [00:19:37] <teraflops> bob121212_: btw did you read the instructions?
49 [00:19:56] <bob121212_> Yes I did
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51 [00:20:12] <bob121212_> All of them just say to extract the zip file and move it to the themes folder
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53 [00:20:27] <markybob> bob121212_: and is it gnome?
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56 [00:20:30] <teraflops> ,v gtk+3.0
57 [00:20:31] <judd> No package named 'gtk+3.0' was found in amd64.
58 [00:20:38] <teraflops> :S
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60 [00:21:09] <markybob> ,v libgtk-2-0
61 [00:21:10] <judd> No package named 'libgtk-2-0' was found in amd64.
62 [00:21:11] <dvs> ,v gtk-3.0
63 [00:21:12] <judd> No package named 'gtk-3.0' was found in amd64.
64 [00:21:16] <teraflops> ,v gtk+
65 [00:21:17] <judd> No package named 'gtk+' was found in amd64.
66 [00:21:18] <markybob> ,v libgtk-3-0
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68 [00:21:20] <judd> Package: libgtk-3-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.4.2-7+deb7u1; jessie: 3.14.5-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.20.4-1; sid: 3.20.5-2
69 [00:21:25] <dvs> yay
70 [00:21:25] <teraflops> thanks
71 [00:21:34] <teraflops> bob121212_: it says is for ubuntu also it requires GTK+ 3.6 or above
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73 [00:22:36] <markybob> i don't know why i have to work so hard to find out if he's using gnome
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77 [00:23:20] <teraflops> bob121212_: did you issue the commands the readme says after extracting the files?
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121 [00:48:04] <gnumedia> Well, a package 'not being there' is not really a bug per se...
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139 [00:49:31] <abrotman> gnumedia: you file an RFP, it's a type of bug in the BTS
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425 [01:06:15] <gnumedia> okay, thanks, filing that request via 'reportbug' was interesting. I hope I did it correctly enough...
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490 [01:32:36] <ProfessorKaos64> What Debian equivelant package provides libEGL_nvidia.so* ? I am having a hard time finding it (arch liunx: replaced-url
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536 [01:47:38] <naptastic> ProfessorKaos64, I'm only guessing by the library name, but since it's about nvidia, it probably comes from the proprietary driver.
537 [01:47:56] <ProfessorKaos64> strange, I have 355 installed, wonder if it's with a newer driver
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539 [01:48:03] <ProfessorKaos64> on debian jessie
540 [01:48:06] <naptastic> o.O That is odd.
541 [01:48:20] <ProfessorKaos64> I don't know what makes the link, even if that lib is symbolic
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543 [01:48:35] <ProfessorKaos64> Maybe I need to install the driver again
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546 [01:50:28] <naptastic> ProfessorKaos64, I just looked in Synaptic, and there's a 'libegl1-nvidia' package available. (Sid)
547 [01:50:36] <Twirl> hi, how do you stop a command when Ctrl + C doesn't work? generally because of too much output
548 [01:51:09] <naptastic> Twirl, in another terminal, you can send it SIGTERM or SIGKILL with `kill -15 <pid>` or `kill -9 <pid>`
549 [01:51:28] <ProfessorKaos64> no luck naptastic , strange
550 [01:51:31] <naptastic> but SIGINT (ctrl+c) usually works after a while.
551 [01:51:47] <ProfessorKaos64> I'd switch to a new TTY and kill that process
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554 [01:51:59] <naptastic> ProfessorKaos64, that's really strange. I'm using Nouveau, so I may not be able to help you much more.
555 [01:52:08] <ProfessorKaos64> it's ok, I appreciate the responses regardless
556 [01:52:17] <naptastic> OH
557 [01:52:22] <naptastic> Do you have contrib and non-free enabled?
558 [01:52:24] <ProfessorKaos64> I usuall go to packages.debian.org and search the contents list too
559 [01:52:33] <ProfessorKaos64> nothing shows up there
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561 [01:52:53] <Twirl> it's pretty annoying when you are in ssh
562 [01:53:20] <naptastic> ProfessorKaos64, replaced-url
563 [01:53:21] <Twirl> i would have to make a new connection and see what command is misbehaving and send the signal
564 [01:53:28] <ProfessorKaos64> aw.... here we go replaced-url
565 [01:53:28] <naptastic> whoops, that's the wrong things
566 [01:53:35] <naptastic> THERE WE GO. :)
567 [01:53:36] <ProfessorKaos64> there's an experimental pkg
568 [01:53:39] <ProfessorKaos64> hmmmm
569 [01:53:57] <ProfessorKaos64> never was an issue before this version of retroarch, perhaps requires this now for vulkan support or something
570 [01:54:02] <ProfessorKaos64> or wayland idk
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572 [01:54:23] <naptastic> Twirl, yep... it's just the nature of the beast. Making SIGINT always work immediately would require some pretty drastic changes to the OS, and probably hurt performance terribly.
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574 [01:54:52] <ProfessorKaos64> yea, perhaps I can't upgrade retroarch for my repo
575 [01:54:57] <ProfessorKaos64> I provide packages for Jessie and SteamOS
576 [01:55:16] <ProfessorKaos64> I have an issue submitted to them, so perhaps there is a workaround
577 [01:55:23] <ProfessorKaos64> I doubt I can backport that
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582 [01:56:36] <ProfessorKaos64> YES! naptastic got it! at least on SteamOS
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584 [01:56:49] <ProfessorKaos64> Valve provides the package in their repo , libegl-nvidia0
585 [01:56:52] <Twirl> naptastic: idc man, you can't justify having to wait 30 minutes for a process that is also rendering the whole terminal unusable because of too much output, i use tmux and have 4 panels or sometimes more and just one process that sends too much output and i can't do anything else, i would have to launch a new terminal connect to the server and so on, that affects my performance
586 [01:56:54] <ProfessorKaos64> perhaps they melded it in
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592 [01:58:48] <naptastic> Twirl, yeah, I feel your pain (as a formerly professional sysadmin and downtime post-mortem analyst) the only thing worse is when the console is scrolling with OOM messages about PHP processes...
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601 [02:01:00] <Twirl> well, someone should make a systemd call or w/e to fix that
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604 [02:01:56] <naptastic> A systemd call to fix PHP?
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611 [02:04:25] <Twirl> no, to be able to kill out of control stdout or processes blowing up your terminal buffer
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619 [02:07:48] <soleluke> so i am trying to insall jessie on my desktop. I am haing issues getting my NIC drivers installed. Its a realtek 8168, get a message asking for them on reovable media, unpack the realtek-all.deb on a usb and insert, no luck
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624 [02:09:39] <naptastic> I remember having to do that one time for an Intel PRO/100 card. I couldn't do the "removable media" thing though, because the hosts were blades, and the only connections were ethernet and serial. So I had to modify the installer...
625 [02:09:42] <naptastic> ...never again...
626 [02:09:47] <naptastic> never again.
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632 [02:14:02] <francium> I just installed a new system with a btrfs filesystem, seperate home and root. How should I backup my system? What do people use?
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636 [02:14:55] <ayypot> rsync
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672 [02:33:56] <awwal> concerning cpu & ram usage, html5 and adobe flash, regarding multimedia contents, are identical :(
673 [02:36:18] <awwal> and firefox /iceweasel playing html5 multimedia contents automatically when present in X website but not requested still not solved :(
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686 [02:48:05] <trysten> how can i edit a file such that changes are saved in memory or written somewhere else?
687 [02:48:31] <soleluke> do :w <newfilepath> in vim
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689 [02:48:40] <soleluke> that will save a copy at <newfilepath>
690 [02:48:47] <trysten> I want to try to repair the partition table of a disk image
691 [02:49:23] <trysten> without changing the disk image, and it's absolutely huge
692 [02:49:27] <trysten> so i'd rather not make a copy
693 [02:49:33] <soleluke> i have no idea then
694 [02:49:45] <trysten> i was hoping i could remount that part of the file system
695 [02:50:58] <shadows> no such thing (that I know of)
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699 [02:51:48] <shadows> trysten: msdos partition info will be the first 512 bytes
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702 [02:52:04] <shadows> it's different if it is a GUID partitioning or other partitioning
703 [02:52:17] <trysten> shadows: good point. i could just backup the relevant areas
704 [02:52:29] <shadows> trysten: advise to backup all the data, though
705 [02:52:43] <trysten> but there's got to be a solution here. i know there are entire systems built around the same concept
706 [02:53:13] <trysten> i used to use computers that would "wipe" all changes to the disk at every reboot, but allowed nearly full access
707 [02:53:23] <trysten> they just didn't change the original files
708 [02:53:27] <shadows> not to belittle your intelligence here, I'm just speaking from experience having fouled things up badly more often than not, and with dozens (if not hundreds, I am sure) of attempts over the last 20 years
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710 [02:54:09] <trysten> shadows: oh no.. absolutely.
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712 [02:54:11] <shadows> when it goes well, you're still betting that you are smarter than unknown data corruption and that's a bad bet
713 [02:54:19] <trysten> i wouldn't risk it unless i knew
714 [02:54:46] <trysten> no the storage medium is fine. it's an image of an cryptovirused disk from a server
715 [02:54:48] <shadows> trysten: what's the layout do you think? one single partition?
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717 [02:54:53] <shadows> oh
718 [02:55:06] * shadows offers sympathy
719 [02:55:18] <shadows> there was no backup?
720 [02:55:28] <shadows> not even old backup?
721 [02:55:46] <trysten> shadows: i know right.
722 [02:56:12] <trysten> replaced-url
723 [02:56:31] <trysten> don't look at my disk identifier! that's personal info!
724 [02:56:39] <shadows> well, depending how that was actuated, an old backup with the disk label and partition layout would have what you're asking about
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726 [02:57:20] <shadows> how much is the ransom?
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728 [02:57:41] <trysten> shadows: i'm guessing the file system is fine. it's just that my favorite utility is refusing to read the partition so i was going to let it rewrite the partition table on an image
729 [02:57:47] <shadows> may as well just have client pay it and tell them they could have avoided the cost by hiring you to help them backup their data
730 [02:58:19] <trysten> shadows: yes. that's where im at. however, i have some hope. the cryptovirus reached out to samba mounted folders and encrypted the contents
731 [02:58:39] <trysten> i'm hoping that i'll be able to "undelete" at least some of the files through ntfs recovery
732 [02:58:52] <shadows> interesting problems
733 [02:58:57] <trysten> fun fun :D
734 [02:59:46] <shadows> I think this is not any different than corrupted data though and some bad acting software
735 [03:00:17] <shadows> what I would do in those cases is update the company policy, and double down on backups
736 [03:00:29] <trysten> well like i was saying, i don't think it's corrupted at all, it's just not cooperating with testdisk
737 [03:00:35] <shadows> that it's "cryptolocked" just is a psychological issue
738 [03:00:47] <trysten> and technical..
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741 [03:01:56] <shadows> not really
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744 [03:02:42] <trysten> the files have been encrypted tho
745 [03:02:58] <shadows> it's the same scenario as a disgruntled employee except, you have to treat all of your current employees as if they are disgruntled ex-employees while they're still working for you
746 [03:03:10] <shadows> pretty great psychological quandary there
747 [03:04:12] <trysten> haha i see. you mean cryptovirus defense
748 [03:05:10] <trysten> replaced-url
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782 [03:24:03] <Zak718> hello
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785 [03:25:10] <Zak718> I am trying to split a large kw list "output.txt" into seperate 30k lists. I am using the command split -l 30000 output.txt but the output files do not have text extensions. How do i specify the output to be .txt files?
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788 [03:27:19] <AlexLikeRock> why i can not open replaced-url
789 [03:27:42] <AlexLikeRock> The connection has timed out
790 [03:27:42] <AlexLikeRock> The server at replaced-url
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792 [03:27:57] <AlexLikeRock> any one have problems ?
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794 [03:28:04] <AlexLikeRock> im from mexico
795 [03:28:25] <Zak718> works fine for me
796 [03:28:33] <LtL> AlexLikeRock: no problem here, it's your connection
797 [03:28:43] <AlexLikeRock> Mmmm :-(
798 [03:28:59] <jmcnaught> AlexLikeRock: works for me too. also there are "is it down?" websites you can use to check
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803 [03:30:38] <Zak718> anyone have an answer for my split command question?
804 [03:30:42] <abrotman> Zak718: you use the rename script after the fact
805 [03:31:01] <AlexLikeRock> well
806 [03:31:02] <AlexLikeRock> tanks
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811 [03:33:43] <Zak718> Alright, let me play with the rename command, I am noob =/
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816 [03:35:59] <dTal> pypi_install is so great
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818 [03:36:40] <Sander^home> Hi. Do anyone know about a debian based operating system which has a virtualization wrapper around it, for easy upgrading? A desktop operating system version of coreos?
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829 [03:39:51] <dTal> although it would be nice if the built .deb didn't vanish if there's an install conflict. Oh, you had the Python2 version and they conflict? Too bad you'll have to build it all over
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841 [03:45:08] <trysten> shadows: i'm going to use LVM snapshot, which doesn't really help that much because i still have to make an additional copy of this gigantic image
842 [03:45:21] <trysten> but yeah, it'll do what i want. if you were curious
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844 [03:46:03] <Sander^home> I would really want debian to be wrapped in lxc.
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846 [03:47:08] <abrotman> So do it
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855 [03:49:17] <soleluke> so we ended up compiling the driver from source from the tarball on the realtek website
856 [03:49:21] <soleluke> adn it worked
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859 [03:50:52] <dvs> Strange, I thought the r8169 drive would work.
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891 [04:08:20] <jml2> 8169 needs blobs
892 [04:08:27] <jml2> iirc
893 [04:08:32] <jml2> blob blob
894 [04:09:23] * naptastic blobs
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904 [04:17:19] <Sander^home> abromat: How hard do you think it is?
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906 [04:17:40] <Sander^home> abrotman
907 [04:17:48] <Sander^home> Sorry.
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910 [04:18:18] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: what are you trying to do with LXC?
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915 [04:20:16] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: I would like the containerization/isolation part of lxc would wrap the whole operating system inside a container, So I can make an iot cloud operating system which is secure for updates.
916 [04:20:28] <Sander^home> For a destkop operating system.
917 [04:20:53] <Sander^home> *just like an secure iot cloud operating system*
918 [04:21:28] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: iot?
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920 [04:21:47] <Sander^home> Internet of things, embedded devices which just works, with updates.
921 [04:22:14] <markybob> maybe i'm just old but i don't understand. use chroot. you want to wrap an entire OS? yeah. we've done that for decades.
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923 [04:23:13] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: you want the host OS to be "wrapped" by LXC somehow? How would that make it "secure for updates"?
924 [04:23:55] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: becouse the update mechanism would be outside of the container, in a secure place, where none can reach it.
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927 [04:24:27] <markybob> nope. still don't understand. i don't know if i'm old or if the new folks are stupid.
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932 [04:25:17] <Sander^home> markybob: Well. lxc provide more isolation than chroot.
933 [04:25:22] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: what do you think is going to reach the upgrade mechanism in Debian as it is now? Especially if all services are running in LXC containers?
934 [04:25:25] <Sander^home> for example seccom.
935 [04:25:55] <Sander^home> *seccomp*
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941 [04:26:54] <vlitzer> So Ive been trying to burn debian to a USB drive and my lenovo P50 with EFI fails to read it. Used rufus image creator, tried all the combinations, several different images, and so far the onlything that I can actually use to boot is Ubuntu :/ whats the trick to burning debian to a usb that will actually be bootable under EFI? Tried the dvd stable image, testing netinst, and both did not work :(
942 [04:26:59] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: the os would have a service outside of the container, to trigger an update.
943 [04:27:09] <markybob> vlitzer: you did it wrong.
944 [04:27:10] <Sander^home> from inside it.
945 [04:27:23] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: one huge container, not many small ones for each service.
946 [04:27:25] <markybob> !rufus
947 [04:27:25] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
948 [04:27:34] <soleluke> for those curious, here is the blog post that got me up and going with my realtek 8168 card replaced-url
949 [04:27:37] <markybob> vlitzer: are you burning with windows?
950 [04:27:42] <vlitzer> markybob: yes
951 [04:27:44] <markybob> !win32diskimager
952 [04:27:44] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
953 [04:27:50] <vlitzer> alright then
954 [04:28:07] <soleluke> also, when i was burning my iso yesterday, i had much better luck with win32diskimager than any other tool
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956 [04:28:19] <markybob> vlitzer: fyi live doesn't support efi
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958 [04:28:28] <Sander^home> markybob: If you see here, then I would want the container lockdown security part of lxc: replaced-url
959 [04:28:30] <vlitzer> thats fine, I just want to install it
960 [04:28:45] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: oh. so the upgrade happens in a container, and then the host OS benefits from the upgrade somehow?
961 [04:28:48] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: ^
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963 [04:29:02] <markybob> Sander^home: everything i've read about openvz makes me want to puke
964 [04:29:03] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: no, the other way around.
965 [04:29:12] <vlitzer> any trick for keeping a dualboot with debian under efi?
966 [04:29:32] <markybob> vlitzer: no. the installer will do it automatically
967 [04:29:32] <Sander^home> markybob: I agree, but lxc also got it.
968 [04:29:37] <markybob> vlitzer: if you don't use live
969 [04:29:58] <vlitzer> markybob: cool
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971 [04:30:02] <Sander^home> markybob: thats just a good comparision about which features is where.
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977 [04:30:37] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: the upgrade happens outside the container, which upgrades the content of the container (the operating system).
978 [04:30:47] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: replaced-url
979 [04:32:02] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: also what you're talking about would me changing files that running programs might have open, so stuff will still need to be restarted
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982 [04:34:49] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: yes, thats true, But if something is hacked, the locked down part outside the container could figure out that things changed, and force trough an fix.
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985 [04:36:05] <Sander^home> So this will have to be a cloud operating system, in the same was as chromeos and windows 10 is doing it.
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987 [04:36:20] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: ^
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989 [04:36:37] <markybob> wait, what? chromeos in cloud? what is going on here? why? what?
990 [04:37:00] <naptastic> I was at OSCON last week. I am so buzzworded out, I just can't even.
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994 [04:37:46] <mutante> naptastic's client wasn't webscale
995 [04:38:38] <Sander^home> markybob: chromeos is a linux operating system with only chrome inside it, updates automaticly, was the first operating system who used linux kernel seccomp security feature to lock down the browser.
996 [04:39:22] <Sander^home> markybob: download it, or buy a chromebook or chromebox.
997 [04:39:33] <Sander^home> Untill then, its hard to imagine.
998 [04:39:48] <markybob> Sander^home: i know what chromeos is. i don't think you know what the cloud is and is just using "cloud" term as the marketing people do
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1000 [04:40:07] <markybob> i've had several chromebooks
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1004 [04:41:18] <bird_control> how do I assign permissions to /media/user/HDDUSB/Movies ? chmod -R 777 is not helping...
1005 [04:41:37] <markybob> bird_control: what's the filesystem?
1006 [04:41:47] <Sander^home> markybob: Yeah, I guess I used that word a littlebit wrong. But it feels good when you can send a message to google and make them call you up to fix it.
1007 [04:41:57] <bird_control> its an external hdd and I believe its NTFS...
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1009 [04:42:13] <markybob> bird_control: so that's why. ntfs has no idea what 777 is
1010 [04:42:35] <markybob> bird_control: chown it
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1012 [04:43:12] <Sander^home> markybob: have you tried it?:p
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1014 [04:43:45] <markybob> Sander^home: 02:40 < markybob> i've had several chromebooks
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1018 [04:44:02] <Sander^home> markybob: I meant, tried sending in a support ticket..?
1019 [04:44:08] <Sander^home> to google.
1020 [04:44:15] <bird_control> markybob chown it. just chown /folder/folder.. ?
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1022 [04:44:24] <markybob> Sander^home: of course
1023 [04:45:04] <markybob> bird_control: no. you want to do chown -R user:user /folder/wtf
1024 [04:45:55] <markybob> bird_control: as root/sudo obviously
1025 [04:45:59] <Sander^home> markybob: ok :-) did you know that windows 10 have such a container techology?
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1028 [04:46:16] <markybob> Sander^home: i don't know anything about windows.
1029 [04:46:19] <Sander^home> Maybe wrong channel to ask about that :-p
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1032 [04:46:45] <Sander^home> markybob: ok. did you still not understand my idea?
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1035 [04:48:05] <vlitzer> markybob: it did not work, my bios is not letting me boot that image :(
1036 [04:48:15] <markybob> Sander^home: i get the idea. i don't know how it works or why you want it. chroot was always good to me. *shrug*
1037 [04:49:10] <markybob> vlitzer: you never told me what image you used.
1038 [04:49:25] <vlitzer> debian stable 8.4 dvd from the main page
1039 [04:50:19] <vlitzer> markybob: renamed the iso to img and burned it
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1041 [04:50:28] <markybob> vlitzer: see, shit like that makes people irritated. main page if you click on download gives you multiarch netinst. so we can't trust what you say
1042 [04:50:46] <markybob> not dvd
1043 [04:51:25] <vlitzer> markybob: you are right, was booting to get the name: debian-8.40-amd64-DVD-1.iso
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1045 [04:51:48] <vlitzer> just typed that, so it might not be the exact name.
1046 [04:52:52] <vlitzer> the weird part is, the ubuntu image I burned using rufus boots just fine, I wonder what I am missing to make the debian image work
1047 [04:52:56] <Artemis3> no legacy/CSM mode in that laptop?
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1049 [04:53:16] <vlitzer> Artemis3: there is, but I want to keep EFI on
1050 [04:53:25] <Artemis3> are you dual booting?
1051 [04:53:30] <vlitzer> thats the intention
1052 [04:53:31] <markybob> the difference is debian uses hybrid isos
1053 [04:53:37] <bird_control> I just chowned my external hdd. I am a chowner.
1054 [04:53:40] <jmcnaught> vlitzer: you used win32diskimager this time?
1055 [04:53:45] <vlitzer> jmcnaught: yes
1056 [04:53:49] <Artemis3> vlitzer, if you haven't installed the other OS, then it doesn't matter
1057 [04:54:09] <vlitzer> Artemis3: currently only w10 and an empty space for my linux resides on my hd
1058 [04:54:27] <Artemis3> vlitzer, ok then you already have it installed, nvm.
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1061 [04:55:33] <jmcnaught> vlitzer: what happens when you try to boot? do you get a chance to select the USB drive? is there an error?
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1063 [04:55:52] <vlitzer> nothing, it just sits there like there was no boot medium
1064 [04:56:38] <jmcnaught> vlitzer: does it work on a different computer?
1065 [04:57:10] <vlitzer> I can try it on my x230, although it has traditional MBR since I disabled efi on that one
1066 [04:57:31] <markybob> vlitzer: doesn't matter. he wants to know if the burn/usb is good
1067 [04:58:00] <vlitzer> markybob: jmcnaught: yes trying now
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1069 [04:58:24] <Artemis3> vlitzer, i assume you have secure boot disabled yes?
1070 [04:58:44] <Sander^home> markybob: chroot removes the whole operating system on file level. seccomp does it on an application process level, so its impossible to get out of it, even if it runs on the same files. replaced-url
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1072 [04:59:32] <markybob> Sander^home: i'm not ignorant on what it does. i just don't understand the why. :P
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1077 [05:00:34] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: yes, those guys making systemupdates might make the btrfs image snapshots outside of a seccomp container.
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1081 [05:01:20] <vlitzer> image boots just fine on my x230. No, I did not disable secure boot
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1085 [05:01:57] <dvs> that's why
1086 [05:02:33] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: which guys?
1087 [05:02:36] <markybob> vlitzer: that was for you btw
1088 [05:02:39] <vlitzer> but I dont want to disable EFI
1089 [05:02:48] <markybob> vlitzer: debain does not support secure boot
1090 [05:02:53] <vlitzer> :(
1091 [05:02:54] <Sander^home> markybob: replaced-url
1092 [05:03:00] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: sorry^
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1094 [05:04:05] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: oh yes. what they're talking about though is booting the computer into a special "upgrades" target that does the upgrades, and then reboots again into the normal target
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1097 [05:06:31] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: I think its more sexy to use seccomp, and not require two reboots, but I love that option aswell.
1098 [05:07:06] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: anything that changes will still need to be restarted
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1101 [05:08:03] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: Yes, but none will notice a diffrence from how it is now, with the upgrades, they will need to be restarted today too.
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1104 [05:09:32] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: problem is when the operating system alters the upgrades target.
1105 [05:10:10] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: what is the problem?
1106 [05:10:10] <Sander^home> If its inside seccomp, you can make it not be able to alter the upgrades target.
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1108 [05:11:08] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: compromised servers.
1109 [05:11:23] <Sander^home> or even, desktop systems.
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1112 [05:12:37] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: you're explaining the threat or attack vector here. Altering the upgrade target is the point of upgrades. Is there going to be some test that the upgrade was applied properly before the target it upgraded or something?
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1114 [05:12:55] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: anyways, probably better to move this to #debian-offtopic since it's not really support
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1116 [05:13:23] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: ok.
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1122 [05:16:22] <[Saint]> Assuming one or more of you do, how do you manage automatic decryption of an ecryptfs ~ volume with a key and passphrase based ssh login with password verification disabled in sshd?
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1125 [05:16:54] <[Saint]> I have a system to manage this presently on a headless server, but I feel it to be...inelegant.
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1134 [05:21:08] <[Saint]> My current solution is a small script at ~/.bash_login.d/10-ecryptfs.sh (~/.bash_login is modified to run all the scriptlets in .bash_login.d) that I have dropped in the unencrypted version of my user's $HOME, and this checks if it is an ecryptfs volume and if automount is true.
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1138 [05:22:04] <[Saint]> Then it does ecryptfs-mount-private, and I get the prompt for the passphrase, then it drops into the decrypted home and begins sourcing my dotfiles and such.
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1141 [05:23:36] <[Saint]> I guess what I'm asking is, "Is there a better way to do this?", given the caveats of: ssh based login, ssh key+passphrase, password based login disabled, headless environment.
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1145 [05:28:24] <shadows> trysten: good luck!
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1162 [05:42:42] <jmcnaught> [Saint]: seems like ecryptfs-utils comes with a pam module, have you tried using that?
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1164 [05:45:41] <[Saint]> yes, but there's a few bugs against it marked as WONTFIX as far as I recall. It would work if I was using password based login on ssh, or if I didn't use an encrypted home volume, or possibly if I was using a full desktop environment.
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1172 [05:52:33] <[Saint]> jmcnaught: My Google Fu is /fairly/ strong, and everything I find on the subject suggests that with the setup I describe that automatic decryption over ssh in any seamless fashion isn't possible.
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1174 [05:53:32] <[Saint]> I understand why this is the case, I was just wondering how other people manage this, as I feel like I can't be the only one with key and passphrase based ssh login with password disabled and a ecryptfs home volume.
1175 [05:53:34] <jmcnaught> [Saint]: i don't know i've never used ecryptfs. is the problem that you use keys for SSH and the pam module needs a password?
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1177 [05:53:54] <[Saint]> Right.
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1181 [05:54:50] <[Saint]> So I was wondering how people automate handing off to encryptfs-mount-private after ssh authentication and then drop into the newly decrypted home and source the environment dotfiles.
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1183 [05:55:10] <[Saint]> I already have a solution for this that is functional, but it feels ugly to me.
1184 [05:55:28] <[Saint]> So I am more than curious, lets say, about any solutions for this that others may have.
1185 [05:55:49] <jmcnaught> would requiring key AND password be acceptable?
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1188 [05:57:26] <[Saint]> Hmmm. I guess I could do key+passphrase+password, in typical 'thinking about it too hard' fashion I had not actually considered that.
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1190 [05:58:48] <jmcnaught> you could sell it as two factor authentication :)
1191 [06:00:15] <[Saint]> Hah. I already do have yubikey based 2FA as well. As well as user/hostname/MAC and port knock code checking.
1192 [06:00:39] <[Saint]> I doubt the latter could really be thought of as additional factors though.
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1194 [06:00:54] <[Saint]> But my ssh is somewhat militant, yes. Indeed.
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1206 [06:10:46] <[Saint]> Thanks for not being #ubuntu, by the way.
1207 [06:11:09] <[Saint]> First response I get is polite, genuine, and actually helpful.
1208 [06:11:30] <[Saint]> The exact opposite of #ubuntu - I was kinda iffy about even asking here.
1209 [06:11:51] <jmcnaught> this is a decent channel for sure
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1224 [06:22:13] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: how do I set ProtectSystem= in systemd to full? or is this enabled by default?
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1231 [06:26:20] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: ProtectSystem= is a directive you can use in service units. "man systemd.unit" talks about units in general, and shows how to use foo.service.d directories to add/override directives for a unit
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1234 [06:27:14] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: "man systemd.service" for more specific information about service units, and check the "SEE ALSO" sections for each man page too
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1238 [06:28:41] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: if you're brand new to systemd the blog series is a good introduction: replaced-url
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1358 [07:30:14] <sukhoi> hi
1359 [07:30:28] <yurakeshi> hello =)
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1364 [07:33:20] <galex-713> are guile-sdl and guile-ncurse packaged with guile?
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1537 [08:27:32] <notadrop> Hi, how close is gNewSense to Debian? I understand it to be Debian sans non-free things and Debian branding.
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1554 [08:30:39] <mutante> notadrop: pretty much and minus some docs about non-free stuff afaict replaced-url
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1556 [08:31:11] <notadrop> mutante, if I installed gNewSense and came here for support, would I be laughed out of the room?
1557 [08:31:18] <notadrop> #gnewsense has 22 users
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1559 [08:31:54] <mutante> notadrop: i'm afraid it would be an issue yea, maybe #fsf ?
1560 [08:32:16] <notadrop> mutante, okay, but nobody there uses it :/
1561 [08:32:21] <notadrop> I think I'll go with GuixSD
1562 [08:32:26] <notadrop> why not go full GNU?
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1565 [08:32:50] <mutante> notadrop: Debian GNU/Hurd ?;p
1566 [08:33:18] <notadrop> mutante, that is the goal eventually :D
1567 [08:33:23] <notadrop> oh wait
1568 [08:33:28] <notadrop> I meant Guix GNU/Hurd
1569 [08:33:42] <notadrop> mutante, I wonder if Hurd even supports my hardware
1570 [08:33:55] <mutante> notadrop: i ask about it about once every 2 years for fun
1571 [08:33:59] <notadrop> heh
1572 [08:34:05] <mutante> similar to using coreboot
1573 [08:34:15] <notadrop> I use the Libre fork of coreboot, #libreboot
1574 [08:34:33] <mutante> oh, nice
1575 [08:34:39] <notadrop> 100% FOSS running on this machine, except for CPU microcode courtesy of Intel
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1577 [08:34:43] <notadrop> no nonfree firmware
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1579 [08:34:47] <notadrop> or software.
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1581 [08:37:28] <themill> except for the firmware that's already on every single chip
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1595 [08:41:13] <neoncortex> hey, someone tell to the xombrero package maintainer to add gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad as dependecy, please, i have lost hours to discover why youtube was without audio because this -.-
1596 [08:41:45] <notadrop> themill, Libreboot is a replacement for the system firmware
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1600 [08:42:38] <mutante> neoncortex: maybe type "reportbug" , select the xombrero package, paste that line in there
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1603 [08:43:18] <themill> notadrop: there's firmware on just about every non-trivial chip in your machine including video, sata, usb controller, network controller, ..., you just don't see it from userspace or kernel space. Doesn't mean it's not there though.
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1606 [08:43:37] <notadrop> themill, yeah
1607 [08:43:42] <notadrop> unfortunately
1608 [08:43:51] <notadrop> this is better than a locked down new computer, though
1609 [08:43:55] <notadrop> progress is better than nothing
1610 [08:44:15] <jelly> it's not progress, it's false hope
1611 [08:44:30] <neoncortex> mutante: oh, cool
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1614 [08:47:16] <notadrop> jelly, okay, you stick with that attitude
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1616 [08:47:28] <notadrop> we'll see whose attitude gets the free software movement further...
1617 [08:47:51] <themill> no, pretending that you don't have firmware because you're not loading it from userspace does nothing
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1619 [08:48:02] <notadrop> well, okay, I do have firmware
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1622 [08:48:31] <themill> all it does is encourage manufacturers to go back to the bad old days where you had to flash firmware in a potentially brick-making manner and it was a big deal to upgrade firmware.
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1624 [08:48:49] <notadrop> themill, does RMS's computer have entirely free firmware?
1625 [08:48:55] <sumi> hello
1626 [08:49:01] <themill> unless he's been making his own silicon, no.
1627 [08:49:10] <notadrop> well
1628 [08:49:23] <notadrop> I rest my case
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1630 [08:49:38] <notadrop> if I'm not *hardcore* enough then neither is he
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1633 [08:50:35] <themill> so that's my point, stop trying to pretend you're a hero. You've got a box and it's running stuff just like everyone else
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1636 [08:51:19] <notadrop> fair enough.
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1639 [08:52:27] <notadrop> personally, I think the more of the system that is FOSS and able to be modified by the user, the better. false hope? maybe.
1640 [08:52:39] <notadrop> FOS S/H
1641 [08:53:07] <notadrop> you're right, though. FOSS is nice, but we need FOSH
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1680 [09:16:01] <thekrynn_> anyone know why screen creation times tend to change ever so slightly when invoking screen -ls
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1689 [09:19:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> I couldn't say that they do
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1744 [09:41:29] <jim> can someone help me set up a oackage proxy (at minimum, a link describing it)... I want to be able to suggest it to people installing linux so they don't have to download packages twice
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1749 [09:43:17] <jim> I'll check on oftc
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1765 [09:52:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> jim, why'd they download packages twice?
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1767 [09:52:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh well... then on oftc
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1782 [09:58:58] <chalcedony> i'm on the pretty blue install screen for debian 8
1783 [09:59:04] <chalcedony> on the usb stick
1784 [09:59:17] <chalcedony> but when i do the installation it freaks out and wants a cd-rom
1785 [09:59:35] <chalcedony> is debian 8 not able to be installed from a usb?
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1787 [09:59:49] <fireba11> chalcedony: of course it is
1788 [09:59:59] <chalcedony> fireba11, ty for replying
1789 [10:00:07] <chalcedony> what do i need to do to make it do that?
1790 [10:00:12] <babilen> How did you write the image to the USB stick?
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1794 [10:00:30] <chalcedony> babilen, with Rufus on my windows 7 laptop.
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1797 [10:01:07] <fireba11> replaced-url
1798 [10:01:08] <chalcedony> it all looked pretty good until i got past 'keyboard'
1799 [10:01:11] <fireba11> chalcedony: that works fine too :-D
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1802 [10:01:31] <babilen> chalcedony: Hmm, no experiences with this, but I know that some tools (such as unetbootin) break the installer. On Windows we generally recommend win32diskimagner
1803 [10:01:49] <babilen> replaced-url
1804 [10:01:55] <fireba11> chalcedony: rufus works i'm using it myself. (netinstall image)
1805 [10:02:04] <chalcedony> fireba11, ok then that's not it
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1807 [10:02:29] <babilen> It might still be worth a try (usb sticks are different)
1808 [10:02:55] <babilen> I mean it would, at least, allow us to rule out that
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1815 [10:04:38] <chalcedony> fireba11, yes that's what i have
1816 [10:04:57] <chalcedony> the gigabyte board is new. should not have other problems
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1818 [10:05:16] <chalcedony> is the regular install likely to not see usb?
1819 [10:06:05] <fireba11> chalcedony: on a skylake boards that's a possibility
1820 [10:06:18] <chalcedony> skylake?
1821 [10:06:31] <fireba11> newest isomething generation
1822 [10:06:36] <chalcedony> ah
1823 [10:06:50] <chalcedony> let me go find a dvd i guess
1824 [10:07:09] <chalcedony> this worked before. it ought to work.
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1864 [10:30:55] <[Saint]> Is anyone here familiar with the cryptsetup early ssh initramfs hooks?
1865 [10:31:37] <[Saint]> It seems to be a fairly elegant solution to remote unlocking a server with full disk encryption in early boot.
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1868 [10:33:41] <[Saint]> But it involves the root user being active, which is mildly annoying. Though perhaps I could add locking the root password as a startup script and unlocking it as a reboot/shutdown script?
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1870 [10:34:13] <[Saint]> This is what I'm talking about by the way:
1871 [10:34:14] <[Saint]> replaced-url
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1896 [10:47:35] <rudi_s> [Saint]: What do you mean with "But it involves the root user being active"?
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1904 [10:48:27] <[Saint]> rudi_s: sorry, that was unnecessarily vague stream-of-consciousness rambling wasn't it?
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1907 [10:48:39] <[Saint]> I mean, it requires that I unlock my root password.
1908 [10:48:50] <[Saint]> which I don't generally do.
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1910 [10:49:27] <rudi_s> Still confused. The unlocking happens via ssh-key. How is "root" involved?
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1916 [10:53:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> seems he's confused, not you
1917 [10:54:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> but maybe what he means is that he normally completely disables login for root from outside
1918 [10:54:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> which still doesn't have anything to do with this :-/
1919 [10:55:18] <rudi_s> True. You must use root@, but only to unlock the disk and it's not the same root than the one inside the system.
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1925 [10:57:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's a nice idea...
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1927 [10:57:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> still need someone to press the button after a power failure
1928 [10:58:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> and I wonder if it's worth the effort for the one time it may become relevant a year
1929 [10:58:06] <rudi_s> Unless the BIOS supports boot on power failure.
1930 [10:58:19] <rudi_s> But yeah, nice to have.
1931 [10:58:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> or wake on lan
1932 [10:59:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> which it probably does
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1936 [10:59:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> haven't set that up, though
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1941 [11:00:32] <telecity> [Saint]: yeah it ran the dropbear sshd
1942 [11:00:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> and you need root on a machine on the same net that is already on to send wake-on-lan, I think
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1944 [11:00:58] <telecity> it involves encrypting the rootfs with cryptsetup/luks
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1947 [11:01:29] <telecity> kernel starts, tries to launch init, rootfs being encrypted
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1950 [11:02:51] <telecity> dropbear sshd spawns, you ssh into the box, luksOpen and the boot process continues
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1953 [11:03:38] <telecity> i don't see any problem allowing root with PKI
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1955 [11:04:11] <telecity> custom port, root with pki
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1957 [11:04:24] <telecity> modify the login prompt as well
1958 [11:04:40] <telecity> use ECDSA
1959 [11:04:46] <telecity> what could go wrong?
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1961 [11:05:34] <six86> Anyone expert in installing/preseeding? I managed to get a uefi preseeded stick to installing, but a script called "60remove-live-packages" is removing the packages I install during preseed and also big parts of ubuntu...
1962 [11:05:38] <unborn> is it okay to install .deb file by just clicking on it? or shall I use dpkg -i *.deb command? I mean what is better or where is difference?
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1967 [11:06:30] <telecity> [Saint]: replaced-url
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1970 [11:07:22] <telecity> unborn: cli would always be better I suspect, but probably no difference
1971 [11:07:35] <telecity> unborn: as the UI is a wrapper over CLI, most likely
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1973 [11:08:24] <unborn> thank you for explanation telecity im just about to install wifi driver but did not know if there is some special differences about the way how it installs it..
1974 [11:08:30] <telecity> unborn: so better support in CLI in terms of consistency in displaying err messages by default
1975 [11:08:44] <unborn> true
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1978 [11:09:15] <telecity> unborn: like i said it's probably the same, unless there'd be bugs in the UI.. just that CLI might be more informative / more easy to debug
1979 [11:10:36] <telecity> six86: no expert at all, but you can disable the script?
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1981 [11:11:34] <six86> telecity: How. And where does it come from in the first place? I can't find it in the iso file. And after all, why is it uninstalling parts of the system?
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1984 [11:12:01] <telecity> six86: how did you find out that it was responsible in the first plac?
1985 [11:12:02] <telecity> e*
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1987 [11:13:00] <six86> telecity: I can see it in de /var/log/installer/syslog file. Even after my late-command script there is a apt call that removes almost everything from the system. And above it is stated that the mentioned script is executed.
1988 [11:13:20] <telecity> six86: path mentioned?
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1990 [11:14:47] <six86> telecity: /usr/lib/finish-install.d/60remove-live-packages
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1996 [11:16:14] <telecity> six86: how did you search the image
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1999 [11:18:37] <six86> telecity: Opened with ark, looked throud the initrd files ans also extracted the squashfs image
2000 [11:19:37] <telecity> six86: path was missing? tried to binary grep as well?
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2002 [11:20:49] <six86> telecity: No, did not try that. I would like to understand why it is removing almost the whole system... Had no problems with 12.04 with a similar preseed setup.
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2005 [11:22:18] <six86> telecity: replaced-url
2006 [11:22:28] <six86> Thats the excerpt of the installer log
2007 [11:23:18] <JohnBalushy> I just installed debian jessie with the default gnome shell DE. It's not a necessity but I was just wondering is it usual that I don't have an option to turn on background transparency in the terminal?
2008 [11:23:28] <JohnBalushy> * Gnome Terminal to be specific
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2011 [11:24:38] <JohnBalushy> Under edit-Profile Preferences->Colors there is usually an option to turn off the transparent backgrounf.
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2018 [11:31:39] <[Saint]> telecity: I ended up settling on this nice little wrapper script to set up the environment for dropbear early ssh
2019 [11:31:40] <[Saint]> replaced-url
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2060 [11:59:13] <fireba11> [Saint]: missted most of the conversation, was that for unlocking luks via ssh?
2061 [12:00:24] <fireba11> tried that once and didn't get it working with dropbear
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2072 [12:05:37] <k_sze[work]> Hi guys.
2073 [12:05:45] <k_sze[work]> What's the proper way to make a service start at reboot?
2074 [12:06:10] <k_sze[work]> My colleague has already defined the init.d script, systemd unit, and whatnot.
2075 [12:06:19] <k_sze[work]> We're only missing one thing it seems.
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2096 [12:13:19] <teraflops> k_sze[work]: a systemd unit file sounds right
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2101 [12:14:45] <fireba11> k_sze[work]: the old way with init.d was running update-rc.d for it
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2103 [12:15:05] <k_sze[work]> hmm, maybe not the systemd unit file after all.
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2105 [12:15:19] <fireba11> not 100% sure about systemd, haven't really used it yet
2106 [12:15:51] <hexnewbie> Aren't there hooks so that update-rc.d enables the systemd unit as well, while "systemctl enable" also has a hook to enable the init script in case you switch back?
2107 [12:16:35] <hexnewbie> Otherwise, update-rc.d and/or insserv for the init script (those confuse me a little bit), and "systemctl enable ..." for the systemd unit
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2109 [12:17:19] <teraflops> in my exprience a systemd unit file is way simpler than an initd script
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2115 [12:18:05] <hexnewbie> That's true, however I already have a skeleton init script I copy, so it is already easy enough :)
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2162 [12:42:51] <k_sze[work]> So if it's just an old-school init.d script, I should use update-rc.d?
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2166 [12:47:33] <chalcedony> i can't get the realtek drivers to burn to the cd. the box won't see the usb
2167 [12:47:59] <chalcedony> imgburn should make the dvd. really. what do you set?
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2181 [12:57:03] <FNTM-U3> Hi
2182 [12:57:10] <FNTM-U3> I want to edit a GTK2/3 theme.
2183 [12:57:16] <FNTM-U3> all and all it is good but I want to change the font of it. Yes the font. it is hard coded per say in the theme. I cant change it with lxappearance or ....
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2185 [12:57:35] <FNTM-U3> any software to use of the theme or what are the files I should be editing by hands?
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2201 [13:10:31] <unborn> does gnome in debian use compiz?
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2208 [13:15:33] <teraflops> unborn: nope, it uses mutter
2209 [13:16:20] <unborn> thanks teraflops
2210 [13:16:25] <teraflops> np
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2214 [13:18:22] <unborn> man if kazam will works I can finally remove ubuntu from desktop
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2216 [13:19:58] <teraflops> ,v gtk-recordmydesktop
2217 [13:19:59] <judd> Package: gtk-recordmydesktop on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.3.8-3; wheezy: 0.3.8-4.1; sid: 0.3.8-4.1; jessie: 0.3.8-4.1; stretch: 0.3.8-4.1
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2221 [13:21:11] <teraflops> unborn: what does kazam do that e.g recordmydesktop doesn't?
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2223 [13:21:23] <unborn> teraflops: ah I dont like that software.. had much issues in past with it.. kazam no issues at all
2224 [13:21:28] <teraflops> ,v recordmydesktop
2225 [13:21:29] <judd> Package: recordmydesktop on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1; squeeze: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1; stretch: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1; jessie: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1; sid: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1
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2228 [13:22:25] <jim> having installed the grub-efi-amd64 package, how would I get it to build an image suitable for writing to the ESP?
2229 [13:22:32] <teraflops> unborn: hmm I dont think you need _any_ sw for recording the desktop
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2232 [13:23:11] <unborn> teraflops: I do.. there is not natively build anything to record video and audio into one file
2233 [13:23:31] <teraflops> unborn: ffmpeg does it also gstreamer
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2235 [13:23:53] <teraflops> you can grab the audio too of course
2236 [13:24:25] <unborn> teraflops: ah yes.. I tried those, quality was very low I mean image quality but perhaps I've done it wrong
2237 [13:24:25] <teraflops> unborn: there's like 1k examples on the internet
2238 [13:24:46] <teraflops> unborn: anyway I was just saying
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2243 [13:28:51] <teraflops> unborn: e.g replaced-url
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2249 [13:31:52] <unborn> thank you teraflops I am going to try once netinstall finish.. heh if that works I will be happy
2250 [13:32:09] <teraflops> ;)
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2252 [13:32:43] <unborn> gdm3 or lightdm? eh
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2254 [13:33:07] <unborn> first time installing gui on debian :D
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2256 [13:33:18] <six86> removed my late-command file... Still no nano, man etc. Something goes wrong at the instalaltion here
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2262 [13:34:06] <teraflops> lightdm sounds lighter (regarding deps), if youre going to install gnome then gdm is fine I suppose
2263 [13:34:11] <Rephlexie> unborn, I use light or slim personally, less deps
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2265 [13:35:01] <unborn> im installing gnome and cinnamon so I can compare which would be better for my every day usage..
2266 [13:35:25] <unborn> so I am going to try gdm3 - I guess I can always re-install
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2272 [13:39:11] <teraflops> six86: how did you install debian? expert mode? what options did you pick?
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2321 [14:01:08] <mtnman> how can i find out the identifier (hciX) for a bluetooth headset so i can configure it with bluez-simple-agent?
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2359 [14:20:43] <AlexPortable> Which packages do I need to run firefox fullscreen?
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2362 [14:22:02] <dTal> The F11 key?
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2367 [14:24:14] <AlexPortable> pressing f11 on the commandline won't do anything
2368 [14:24:26] <AlexPortable> do I need a window manager?
2369 [14:24:37] <unborn> okay strange.. I cannot add the printer.. seems to me that adding printer something crashes
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2375 [14:28:36] <unborn> okay.. that happens only in cinnamon not on gnome so its all cool
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2379 [14:30:20] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: A window manager does help. What are you trying to achieve?
2380 [14:31:19] <six86> I just don't get it... As soon as I use a preseed file my setup results in a crippled ubuntu server without "man" or "nano" or...
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2382 [14:32:30] <petn-randall> six86: Sounds like you should be asking in #ubuntu.
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2384 [14:33:11] <six86> petn-randall: I did. for 2 days, but seems like there's nobody around with knowledge of preseeding
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2390 [14:34:30] <petn-randall> six86: We can't help you with Ubuntu server in here. It's probably using different versions of tools, anyway.
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2394 [14:35:12] <six86> I think preseeding is pretty much the same in debian and ubuntu.
2395 [14:35:54] <teraflops> six86: not at all starting by the installer
2396 [14:35:59] <six86> used this preseeding for 2 years so something must have changed... But I will keep asking in #ubuntu ...
2397 [14:36:09] <petn-randall> six86: It's still off-topic in here, sorry.
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2408 [14:41:52] <abrotman> six86: there used to be #ubuntu-server, not sure if that still exists, good luck
2409 [14:42:13] <six86> abrotman: thx
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2418 [14:46:20] <exfalso> hi, i'm trying to create a package that requires g++ >= 5 to build, however the launchpad build cannot find it if i specify it in Build-Depends with g++-5 (>= 5.2.1-10). Anyone knows how to do this?
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2421 [14:46:59] <exfalso> here is the log of the build replaced-url
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2429 [14:51:49] <unborn> debian with gui is so awesome however does anyone can recommend me to replace activities with normal menu like?
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2451 [15:04:13] <Aorious> Hi, I have two hosts running Debian on the same WLAN, which can ping each other. However, with file sharing turned on, they do not show under nautlius' 'Browse Network'. How do I fix this?
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2458 [15:05:20] <Aorious> Are there any options that do not involve using samba?
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2489 [15:15:32] <teraflops> Aorious: what do you type in nautilus? also, do you have gvfs-backends package installed?
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2499 [15:17:56] <Aorious> teraflops, I have base systems, nothing installled. I type nothing into nautilus, instead clicked 'Browse Network', on the places side panel. I am looking for the default GUI method to share files between linux hosts.
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2501 [15:18:36] <Aorious> Click 'Browse Network', after enabling sharing in the gnome settings.
2502 [15:18:40] <teraflops> Aorious: well you have gnome, haven't you?
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2504 [15:18:51] <Aorious> teraflops, yes.
2505 [15:19:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys
2506 [15:19:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> for some reason i got two ips on my desktop here, and it is screwing with my puppet updates,
2507 [15:19:42] <Aorious> teraflops, *I have nothing extra install, apart from the base system.
2508 [15:19:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> how i removed them?
2509 [15:20:23] <teraflops> Aorious: heh gnome is not _base_ at all
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2511 [15:21:17] <teraflops> Aorious: tried typing in nautilus smb://servername(or the ip address)/share?
2512 [15:21:19] <Aorious> Aorious, Oh, *default install of the desktop stable iso.
2513 [15:21:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
2514 [15:22:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> it seems that when i bring it down then then ifup eth0 i get my static, but then i restart networking /etc/init.d/networking i get two ips,
2515 [15:22:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> for eth0.
2516 [15:22:21] <teraflops> Aorious: also gvfs-backends package handles it for nautilus so check if you have it installed, idk if it gets installed by default with gnome
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2520 [15:23:48] <teraflops> Aorious: btw if you want name resolution in your lan avahi sounds like a good choice
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2522 [15:24:55] <Aorious> teraflops, Will doing all of that give me 'network discovery'?
2523 [15:25:24] <teraflops> Aorious: avahi? yes
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2533 [15:29:48] <Aorious> teraflops, gvfs-backends was installed already. smb://servername/share did not work, but smb://servername gave me a 'Windows shares on ..' folder. Now I will setup avahi.
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2545 [15:36:23] <Aorious> teraflops, So does Gnome use smb by default, or would nfs also work?
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2553 [15:37:57] <markybob> Aorious: apt-cache show gvfs-backends tells you what it supports. nfs is not one of them
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2561 [15:41:21] <Serajewe1KS> i'm looking at this guide replaced-url
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2578 [15:52:22] <Serajewe1KS> is the IDE1 #1 partition supposed to be /boot, even though it's not labeled that way in the screenshots?
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2581 [15:52:37] <antzero> I'm trying to install teamviewer but I keep getting a dependency error on "libpng12-0"
2582 [15:52:44] <antzero> I already tried to add x86 as architecture on dpkg, apt-get install -f, apt-get update and upgrade but still no luck
2583 [15:52:50] <antzero> Should I add some repo to get that package?
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2586 [15:53:23] <teraflops> antzero: install -f ? so the package is not from debian repos?
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2590 [15:53:46] <antzero> It was advised by the teamviewer page
2591 [15:53:52] <AlexPortable> petn-randall: i'm trying to achieve a thin client with citrix
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2599 [15:54:29] <teraflops> ,v libpng12-0
2600 [15:54:30] <judd> Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.2.44-1+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1.2.44-1+squeeze4; squeeze-security-lts: 1.2.44-1+squeeze6; wheezy-security: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; wheezy: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2
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2603 [15:54:44] <themill> dpkg: tell antzero about cross-post
2604 [15:55:05] <teraflops> antzero: and from which os is the package? ubuntu?
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2606 [15:56:21] <antzero> teraflops: How do I know that?
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2608 [15:56:50] <teraflops> read from where you grabbed the package
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2614 [15:58:01] <antzero> It's in jessie, too
2615 [15:58:48] <teraflops> teamviewer?
2616 [15:58:54] <antzero> I added jessie in sources.list and apparently it's installing it, is this a bad practice?
2617 [15:59:17] <teraflops> antzero: i have no idea of what are you doing to be honest
2618 [15:59:18] <antzero> (I'm on stretch)
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2620 [15:59:45] <teraflops> antzero: this channel is or jessie support btw
2621 [15:59:51] <antzero> teraflops, I'm terribly at wording
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2623 [16:00:48] <antzero> I fixed that, themill sorry for crossposting and for asking on the wrong channel
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2625 [16:01:37] <antzero> I simply added jessie in sources.list and tried to install the missing dependecy, it worked but I was asking if this is a good practice (installing from jessie repos on stretch, compatibility issue or something like that)
2626 [16:01:58] <teraflops> antzero: not it's not a good practice at all
2627 [16:02:27] <antzero> What should I have done in this case, then?
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2629 [16:04:12] <teraflops> well, I'm not you... but for sure mixing repos the way you did is not a good idea.
2630 [16:04:13] <Aorious> markbob, Okay, thanks!
2631 [16:04:14] <Aorious> markybob, Okay, thanks!
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2633 [16:05:00] <antzero> I used that source only to install that missing dependency, then removed it
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2651 [16:15:02] <Deep_Thought> Hi, is their an option to pass to 'service apache2 reload' to ask for the password of the key?
2652 [16:15:22] <Deep_Thought> Because actually when there is a password for the key and I use service apache2 reload, apache crash without any warnings
2653 [16:15:31] <Deep_Thought> I mean with ssl
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2661 [16:20:22] <abrotman> Deep_Thought: the general practice is to remove the password .. Are you unable to do that?
2662 [16:20:47] <abrotman> Deep_Thought: An alternative is to feed the passphrase to Apache. You can do this with the SSLPassPhraseDialog option in your httpd.conf (or another file that it includes). When starting up, Apache will take the output of this script and use it as the passphrase for your SSL key.
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2664 [16:20:56] <abrotman> Google, 2.6 seconds
2665 [16:21:58] <Deep_Thought> Yes I know these methods but IMO this is just a workarround.
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2667 [16:22:41] <Deep_Thought> apache shoudl ask for the key the same way thet apache does with service apache2 restart
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2669 [16:24:47] <Deep_Thought> But I don't know if this would be debian-related?
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2709 [16:39:44] <f0f4r> Can I test on debian if one deb is installed?
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2711 [16:40:15] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: Then I'd definitely use a window manager.
2712 [16:40:18] <MaBunny> you can search for it in synaptic
2713 [16:41:13] <petn-randall> f0f4r: As in, test on the commandline? dpkg -l 'yourpackage', if there's a line that start with 'ii', it's installed.
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2772 [16:42:39] <f0f4r> petn-randall: I was looking for a single command
2773 [16:42:43] <f0f4r> anyway thanks
2774 [16:42:58] <abrotman> what's wrong with grep?
2775 [16:43:17] <abrotman> f0f4r: dpkg -l foo | egrep '^ii'
2776 [16:43:32] <abrotman> oh, and uhm
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2779 [16:43:54] <f0f4r> I was thinking something like dpkg-query
2780 [16:44:08] <rozie> f0f4r: dpkg-query with parameters will work too
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2788 [16:45:33] <abrotman> f0f4r: same thing roughly .. but you'd still need something to manage the output I think ?
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2790 [16:46:21] <themill> !installed test
2791 [16:46:21] <dpkg> To test in a script if a package is installed, you can: if dpkg -l $package 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^.i; then echo yes; fi or if [[ $(dpkg-query -f'${Status}' --show $package 2>/dev/null) = *\ installed ]]; then echo yes; fi. Note that "installed" isn't a simple concept -- is the package configured yet? is it actually scheduled for removal? See man dpkg "package states" and "selection states" for more details.
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2793 [16:46:33] <themill> (note that ii is the wrong thing to test for)
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2796 [16:48:04] <petn-randall> themill: I was aware of other package states, but I didn't know of /.i/ also being "installed".
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2799 [16:48:53] <petn-randall> But man dpkg-query explains that quite nicely. Learnt something new. Thanks themill.
2800 [16:49:07] <themill> the first character is the "desired" state and that can quite reasonably be h for hold
2801 [16:49:24] <pflanze> Why would grub load windows without showing any boot choice first?
2802 [16:49:28] <themill> (even without more complicated things)
2803 [16:49:50] <pflanze> I'm booting off the Debian Live image, but after "loading grub" it just loads windows. On an Eee PC. What's going on?
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2811 [16:56:29] <Arcanos> Hello people.
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2815 [16:57:38] <vegardx> After loading GRUB? Don't you have any selections in GRUB?
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2817 [16:58:26] <Arcanos> I am wanting to run Radeon+radeonsi on my Jessie box, it this an easy thing to do?
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2820 [16:59:10] <Arcanos> Reason kernel driver radeonsi user mode driver
2821 [16:59:18] <Arcanos> Radeon**
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2827 [17:00:50] <jml2> pflanze, usb?
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2847 [17:13:31] <Arcanos> I want to use the free Radeon kernel driver with the Radeonsi user mode drivers, is this easy to do?
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2849 [17:13:50] <jelly> Arcanos: uh, is radeonsi still maintained by anyone?
2850 [17:14:37] <Arcanos> I'm not sure, I don't want to use the proprietary driver
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2852 [17:15:58] <jelly> there will be amdgpu in stretch, and it _may_ be backported to debian 8 or not
2853 [17:16:02] <jelly> ,v xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
2854 [17:16:03] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu on amd64 -- sid: 1.1.0-1; stretch: 1.1.0-1
2855 [17:16:09] <jelly> or not.
2856 [17:16:17] <jelly> Arcanos: which card do you have? lspci -nn
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2858 [17:16:36] <Arcanos> my R9 270x is not supported by amdgpu
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2860 [17:16:58] <Arcanos> I am undergoing a reinstall at the moment on a 5400 rpm drive
2861 [17:17:09] <jelly> I'm not sure radeonsi is in debian at all. What happens when you try the default kernel and drivers?
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2863 [17:17:22] <Arcanos> Raster driver
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2865 [17:18:06] <Arcanos> when the install completes I will upload the results of glxinfo
2866 [17:18:08] <jelly> your choice of hardware and distro combo seems... unfortunate
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2868 [17:18:37] <Arcanos> I do have an ancient NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275
2869 [17:18:49] <Arcanos> but it is not in the system
2870 [17:19:43] <Arcanos> jelly,. why do you say that
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2874 [17:20:32] <jelly> just guessing. Best get jessie installed and patched up, see what happens.
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2876 [17:20:44] <Arcanos> netinstall
2877 [17:20:54] <Arcanos> so once it installs I'm good I think
2878 [17:21:09] <Arcanos> with the exception of the drivers
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2883 [17:22:26] <jelly> possible exception. I really don't know whether it's just embedded in video-radeon and other userspace bits, and #774784 seems to suggest so
2884 [17:22:27] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2891 [17:23:46] <Arcanos> that would be xserver-xorg-video-radeon right?
2892 [17:24:22] <Arcanos> ,v xserver-xorg-video-radeon
2893 [17:24:23] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:6.13.1-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:6.14.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:6.14.4-8; jessie: 1:7.5.0-1; sid: 1:7.7.0-1; stretch: 1:7.7.0-1
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2896 [17:24:47] <Arcanos> ,v xserver-xorg-video-radeosi
2897 [17:24:48] <judd> No package named 'xserver-xorg-video-radeosi' was found in amd64.
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2899 [17:24:57] <Arcanos> ,v xserver-xorg-video-radeonsi
2900 [17:24:58] <judd> No package named 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonsi' was found in amd64.
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2902 [17:25:25] <digidog> how can I choose fs type in fdisk, it only creates ext4 partitions ?
2903 [17:25:29] <jelly> Arcanos: the bug report strongly suggests the relevant support is present in existing jessie packages
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2907 [17:26:27] <Arcanos> jelly: I read somewhere that the Radeon drivers are blacklisted in Jessie, is this true?
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2909 [17:26:47] <jelly> digidog: fdisk just creates partitions, you put a filesystem up with mkfs.FSTYPEHERE
2910 [17:27:04] <jelly> Arcanos: no idea, can't comment on that
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2912 [17:27:24] <digidog> jelly: awesome! thanks for the cue! will read on!
2913 [17:27:28] <digidog> jelly++
2914 [17:27:36] <pflanze> jml2, yep usb; but I found the reason it failed, I copied the image to sdb1 instead of sdb
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2916 [17:27:46] <pflanze> stupid error. Not enough concentration.
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2919 [17:29:08] <jelly> Arcanos: the only thing I can say about it is "works for me on this HD7450"
2920 [17:29:28] <jml2> pflanze, ok
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2922 [17:30:10] <jml2> pflanze, you should use gdisk or sgdisk to do a quick zero-clieaning of the parition tables
2923 [17:30:14] <jml2> pflanze, (prior)
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2925 [17:31:30] <digidog> jelly: do I need dosfstools to create a FAT32 filesystem?
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2927 [17:31:48] <digidog> jelly: or is mkfs enough
2928 [17:31:55] <digidog> jelly: replaced-url
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2930 [17:31:59] <jml2> digidog, y
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2932 [17:32:21] <digidog> jml2: y = mkfs is enough or y = need dofstools
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2934 [17:32:32] <jml2> digidog, dosftools contains mkfs.vfat
2935 [17:32:44] <digidog> jml2: got it! thx!
2936 [17:32:50] <digidog> jml2++
2937 [17:32:58] <BinBasher> why not just use gparted :s
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2939 [17:33:09] <digidog> BinBasher: ->
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2942 [17:33:16] * digidog hates mouse/GUI
2943 [17:33:26] <BinBasher> parted then?
2944 [17:33:37] <digidog> BinBasher: better
2945 [17:33:42] <jelly> digidog: dosfstools is the package that _brings_ the relevant mkfs.vfat command so yes to both
2946 [17:33:44] <digidog> BinBasher: but I am still curious to do without
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2948 [17:33:59] <digidog> jelly: awesome! thx!
2949 [17:34:05] <digidog> jelly++
2950 [17:34:08] <digidog> jml2++
2951 [17:34:10] <jelly> judd: file bin/mkfs.vfat
2952 [17:34:12] <digidog> BinBasher++
2953 [17:34:14] <judd> Search for bin/mkfs.vfat in jessie/amd64: dosfstools: sbin/mkfs.vfat
2954 [17:34:40] * jelly feels incremented
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2958 [17:35:37] <thiolliere> hi, I want a better control on my fan but pwm-config tell me that there are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed. Is there still a way to have more control ?
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2965 [17:36:45] <petn-randall> thiolliere: Probably not. It's only really desktop machines or servers that have PWM capable fans controllable in userspace, most laptops have the BIOS control the fan speed.
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2970 [17:38:12] <jml2> digidog, better to use mkfs.vfat , "This mkfs frontend is deprecated in favour of filesystem specific mkfs.<type> utils" (manpage of mkfs0
2971 [17:38:35] <jml2> digidog, welcome
2972 [17:38:45] * jml2 knows manpages don't lie.
2973 [17:38:49] <jml2> ahem
2974 [17:38:52] <FinalX> never!
2975 [17:38:56] <FinalX> unheard of :)
2976 [17:39:04] <thiolliere> Ok, thanks
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2980 [17:40:12] <jml2> --
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3014 [17:40:42] <a1> wow
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3018 [17:42:39] <digidog> join flood! o.@
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3020 [17:42:55] <FinalX> irssi++ :)
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3022 [17:43:03] <FinalX> just groups em together :)
3023 [17:43:05] <Arcanos> jelly, replaced-url
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3026 [17:43:30] <digidog> FinalX: ^
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3028 [17:43:41] <Arcanos> Just had to install the nonfree firmwares and it worked
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3030 [17:44:22] <mase2hotUK> I've got a php script sending emails, does anyone know if its possible to multithread these with sendmail?
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3034 [17:45:14] <FinalX> mase2hotUK: sending mail in PHP is usually done with mail(), that calls the sendmail binary to submit it to sendmail; sendmail already does multithreaded delivery afaik
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3037 [17:45:36] <mase2hotUK> oh
3038 [17:45:55] <FinalX> (would be weird if it didn't :P)
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3068 [17:46:23] <digidog> what the h*** ....
3069 [17:46:30] <mase2hotUK> oh I just throught it was slow, doing ps aux I see it is there multple times. Is there a way to increase?
3070 [17:46:42] <FinalX> ok, irssi failed me there .. did not groupt hose :P
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3076 [17:47:36] <FinalX> mase2hotUK: not sure how exactly, I'm more of a postfix user myself, but, pretty much any MTA would group mails to the same domains together for delivery I guess, and do those in one batch, one after another
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3087 [17:50:33] <SerajewelKS> grub is driving me nuts. i have an LVM-in-RAID1 setup and i'm trying to boot from it. no matter what i do, grub gives me the error "invalid arch-independent ELF magic"
3088 [17:50:51] <SerajewelKS> whether i use pc(BIOS) or efi(UEFI) grub, i get this same error. there is a bios_grub partition.
3089 [17:50:58] <SerajewelKS> grub-install reports no errors
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3091 [17:51:49] <SerajewelKS> i'm at a complete loss to explain why grub won't boot
3092 [17:53:00] <zykotick9> wondering is anyone has a suggestion... I have a "Hori Fighting Stick 3" that had been working all weekend... now... nothing :( origionally when I tried it, it also didn't work -- then magically started working, and now magically stopped working. searching online i found replaced-url
3093 [17:53:06] <zykotick9> this WAS working!?!
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3095 [17:53:45] <awwal> How to continue displaying next matching entries when using bash "reverse-i-serch" (Ctrl+r) ?
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3101 [17:55:01] <FinalX> hit ^R again?
3102 [17:55:46] <FinalX> moved from bash to zsh a while back, but I'm quite sure you can just keep hitting ctrl+r to cycle through them
3103 [17:55:58] <pflanze> What is the Debian Live root password?
3104 [17:56:02] <pflanze> There's no sudo installed.
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3107 [17:57:19] <FinalX> ...there should be
3108 [17:57:27] <Pr0metheus> If i plug a hard disk to a different sata port on the motherboard will this affect the mounting of the devices if this is done by uuid?
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3136 [17:57:46] <FinalX> Pr0metheus: when using uuid, no, it does not
3137 [17:57:54] <zykotick9> Pr0metheus: if you only use UUID (or Labels) it shouldn't.
3138 [17:58:00] <Pr0metheus> Thanks FinalX
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3140 [17:58:06] <Pr0metheus> and zykotick9 :)
3141 [17:58:07] <Meliorate> hi all, i have removed some config in /etc, after uninstalling an app, but now when i reinstall the app, it does not install the default config in /etc :( i've tried apt-get purge/clean/etc, but it still doesn't install the default config. how do i correct this, using apt* ?
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3143 [17:58:32] <FinalX> Pr0metheus: btw, you can also give the filesystem a label and then mount it with LABEL=x in fstab :) though I always do UUID, I feel it's somehow safer
3144 [17:58:35] <Iridos> dpkg, tell pflanze about live login
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3150 [18:00:52] <awwal> FinalX, ok, it works. Thanks!
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3152 [18:02:11] <pflanze> Iridos, but that's the user password, not root. How do I get root?
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3154 [18:03:02] <FinalX> awwal: great!
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3157 [18:03:46] <raden> anyone have an idea what return code 256 for ssh means ?
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3189 [18:06:50] <awwal> pflanze, probably if you run "passwd root" or "sudo passwd root" you will be prompted to create a root password and use it
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3192 [18:07:17] <Iridos> pflanze, oh... right, you implied you had the user...
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3194 [18:07:39] <FinalX> raden: hum, never seen it before, and the only lists I found, do not mention it, like: replaced-url
3195 [18:07:44] <Iridos> pflanze, what happens if you give an empty password after "su" ?
3196 [18:08:07] <raden> FinalX, yea same here
3197 [18:08:14] <Iridos> pflanze, if nobody here knows, ask #debian-live on irc.oftc.net (not here on freenode)...
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3199 [18:08:57] <FinalX> raden: is that directly from the ssh command to bash for example? or are you using something like perl?
3200 [18:09:12] <FinalX> because in the latter case, I found this: replaced-url
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3210 [18:11:45] <Iridos> I dunno... that thing looks heavily under-documented to me
3211 [18:12:07] <raden> FinalX, python subprocess.communicate , running off address list outta mysql , had 2 connections last night return 256 out of approximately 90 successful ones ....
3212 [18:12:11] <Iridos> not that you'd need too much documentation... but how to gain access would be a thing
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3216 [18:12:47] <FinalX> raden: I was asking because the highest code I can find is a 255, perhaps it's an internal one from the process handler?
3217 [18:12:51] <Iridos> pflanze, or send mail to their mailing list
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3220 [18:13:12] <raden> FinalX, ill write some logging into the script and keep running see what happens
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3222 [18:13:36] <cruncher> raden, try -vvv and see if you can make out the error
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3228 [18:16:38] <jelly> SerajewelKS: which hardware? Do you have a separate /boot?
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3240 [18:19:28] <|_[O_O]_|> hai friends, im working with grub2 and seem to be hitting an issue where settings in menu.lst from grub-legacy (which isn't installed) are overriding definitions in grub.cfg... what gives?
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3245 [18:20:05] <|_[O_O]_|> I can only assume its to keep from breaking legacy -- but I cannot find documentation around it what so ever
3246 [18:20:05] <SerajewelKS> jelly: HP ProLiant ML10 v2 server, no separate /boot (following the advice of the debian wiki). the partition layout on both drives is a 1MB bios
3247 [18:20:14] <SerajewelKS> _grub partition, followed by a physical RAID volume
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3251 [18:20:33] <SerajewelKS> (RAID1) the RAID volume contains an LVM physical volume, which has the swap and / volumes
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3253 [18:21:03] <SerajewelKS> the drives are 3TB which makes GPT mandatory, which i guess is why i need a bios_grub partition
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3256 [18:21:48] <SerajewelKS> AFAICT the hardware doesn't support UEFI
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3261 [18:24:41] <SerajewelKS> diagnosing boot failures is no fun, particularly because the error messages are often vague or misleading :(
3262 [18:24:41] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: hrm; that setup should work; what does gdisk -l /dev/foo; look for the device?
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3264 [18:24:57] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro: i'll let you know in a sec, this server takes forever to reboot
3265 [18:25:17] <jelly> sorry, have to look up ML10, hp inventing new models again
3266 [18:25:24] <SerajewelKS> like 3-4 minutes to POST
3267 [18:25:33] <jelly> SerajewelKS: 3-4 minutes is SHORT.
3268 [18:25:45] <SerajewelKS> really?
3269 [18:25:47] <jelly> DL360 G8 and G9 do 5-8 minutes
3270 [18:26:02] <SerajewelKS> this is my first "server-grade" system. i'm used to my desktop booting to the login screen in 15 seconds :)
3271 [18:26:10] <jelly> "hey we have this fancy new uefi firmware, let's make everything slow as hell"
3272 [18:26:12] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: yeah, server grade stuff tends to do more memory checking
3273 [18:26:23] <SerajewelKS> yeah i figured it was something like that
3274 [18:26:37] <dondelelcaro> and have tons of cards which want to be incredibly slow to load and tell you precisely what they're doing, and then let you interrupt the boot
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3276 [18:26:47] <jelly> probably enumerating all the possible hardware in interpreted forth rebuilt for uefi
3277 [18:26:56] <pflanze> Iridos, passwd doesn't allow to change the root pw from a user account; su - without any pw doesn't work either. I'm just using the normal installer and will finish installation first instead. Thanks anyway!
3278 [18:26:58] <SerajewelKS> yeah it takes awhile to get through all the onboard crap
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3281 [18:27:17] <SerajewelKS> sata controller, raid controller, iLO (whatever tf that is), netboot, all give you some seconds to hit a key
3282 [18:27:20] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: the most important thing is going to be the output of grub-install, though.
3283 [18:27:23] <pflanze> Anyway, it made Debian Live pointless for me. So going to chat to them.
3284 [18:27:32] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: ilo is integrated lights out; it's the KVM thingie
3285 [18:27:51] <dondelelcaro> (well, remote KVM thingie; it's pretty awesome when it works, and annoying when it doesn't)
3286 [18:28:03] <SerajewelKS> ^ just like grub
3287 [18:28:10] <jelly> SerajewelKS: iLO = remote console, remote power button, booting from remote .iso, remote power and hardware monitoring
3288 [18:28:34] <SerajewelKS> jelly: neat. maybe if i can get this thing booting i'll play around with it. :)
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3290 [18:29:09] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: once you have it booted, the output from grub-install --verbose /dev/sda; (or whatever) will probably be most informative
3291 [18:29:12] <SerajewelKS> trying to acquire the latest SPP took me 3+ hours last night because HPE can't put together a decent website
3292 [18:29:16] <jelly> when you get iLO working you can get the hell out of the server room and continue working from laptop :-)
3293 [18:29:27] <SerajewelKS> in the end i didn't even wind up downloading it from their site, i gave up on that
3294 [18:29:58] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro: noted. then to figure out how to get it off of this box and onto a pastebin.
3295 [18:30:17] <SerajewelKS> do we have a dpaste packageL
3296 [18:30:42] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: if you're using the debian installer to bring it back up, you can launch an ssh client, or there's pastebinit
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3298 [18:31:08] <SerajewelKS> fair enough, i guess there are many ways to do this
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3301 [18:31:41] <SerajewelKS> the first time i booted the server i though it was defective; it rebooted itself 4+ times, i thought it was stuck in a bootloop
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3305 [18:32:14] <Iridos> pflanze, it's a recurring question...
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3311 [18:34:47] <SerajewelKS> jelly, dondelelcaro: i'm actually reinstalling debian right now; i kind of hacked the bios_grub thing because i didn't realize there was an option in partman for it
3312 [18:34:54] <SerajewelKS> and i'm not sure if i screwed that up
3313 [18:35:04] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: ah, yeah, hopefully it will just work from the installer
3314 [18:35:10] <SerajewelKS> basically i went to a VT and marked the partition with parted before letting the installer install grub
3315 [18:35:21] <SerajewelKS> in theory it should have been identical, but who knows
3316 [18:35:39] <SerajewelKS> OTOH i booted rescue mode and did grub-install multiple times, and it shouldn't have cared how the partition got marked so iono
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3318 [18:36:01] <SerajewelKS> but i figure we'll give the installer another go doing things right this time and see where we get
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3320 [18:36:30] <SerajewelKS> i just made unformatted partitions in partman and used parted later to add the flag
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3325 [18:37:26] <SerajewelKS> i appreciate you guys helping me out; boot errors are my least favorite thing to troubleshoot
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3328 [18:38:18] <SerajewelKS> i have a VM at work that, when i generate initrds from the installed system, the kernel panics but when i do so from the installer in rescue mode, chrooted into the installed system, it boots
3329 [18:38:29] <SerajewelKS> so every time i update the kernel i have to boot the installer to fix the initrd
3330 [18:39:09] <SerajewelKS> i captured a sample working and non-working initrd. they are not byte-for-byte identical, but extracting them both and diffing their trees showed no differences.
3331 [18:39:18] <SerajewelKS> so that's another unsolved boot mystery
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3333 [18:39:44] <SerajewelKS> but i've given up on solving it
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3336 [18:40:35] <SerajewelKS> it's one of those weird cases where it's 100% reproducible but only on this one VM
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3343 [18:44:06] <SerajewelKS> sucks that creating a RAID1 implies a resync, nothing like copying over 3TB of nothing from one disk to another. i know why it's necessary but it makes the install so slow.
3344 [18:44:23] <m0rd3cai> Is this the place to ask a question about compiling a program?
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3346 [18:44:43] <SerajewelKS> m0rd3cai: depending on the program, maybe. ask your question and we'll redirect you if this isn't the right place.
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3351 [18:46:18] <m0rd3cai> im trying to install tetrifast replaced-url
3352 [18:46:24] <m0rd3cai> not sure wher to go from there
3353 [18:46:45] <SerajewelKS> m0rd3cai: that would be a question to ask their community
3354 [18:46:53] <greycat> ./configure should have created a file named "Makefile" in the current directory. Sounds like ./configure failed.
3355 [18:47:00] <SerajewelKS> sounds like their auto* stuff isn't creating the makefile
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3357 [18:47:03] <m0rd3cai> there is Makefile
3358 [18:47:04] <Jsync> hello, I need help setting up an Apache Server. I want a particular configuration. A person suggested that I do not have to use the replaced-url
3359 [18:47:07] <greycat> You should read the output of ./configure more carefully and see what actually happened.
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3362 [18:47:27] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro, jelly: install finished, rebooting now *crosses fingers*
3363 [18:47:27] <greycat> Is the Makefile empty or something?
3364 [18:47:41] <m0rd3cai> greycat: there is Makefile.am and Makefile.in
3365 [18:47:49] <m0rd3cai> not Makefile
3366 [18:47:53] <icarious> Anyone knows of any Debian based certification program similar to what Redhat does for RHEL (RHCE) ?
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3368 [18:47:58] <SerajewelKS> m0rd3cai: those are templates / variables used in generating a makefile
3369 [18:47:58] <greycat> Oh, then see my previous statements.
3370 [18:48:00] <greycat> It failed.
3371 [18:48:09] <SerajewelKS> m0rd3cai: what greycat said, ./configure failed
3372 [18:48:20] <SerajewelKS> m0rd3cai: you are probably missing some *-dev packages
3373 [18:48:23] <m0rd3cai> ok thanks, ill look into that. maybe missing pkg's or something
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3379 [18:49:37] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro, jelly: same grub error
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3384 [18:50:04] <Jsync> Can anybody help me setup a gdn DrakoNet folder for an Apache Server?
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3388 [18:50:51] <greycat> Jsync: Don't think in terms of directories. Start by thinking in terms of fully qualified domain names. How many different domain names is this instance of Apache going to serve?
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3392 [18:51:35] <Jsync> Just a single domain name. I just want the prefix of the domain to actually be gdn, not replaced-url
3393 [18:51:52] <greycat> That has nothing at all to do with directories. That's a DNS issue.
3394 [18:51:57] <Jsync> I want to put Dragons in peoples' faces. ^.^
3395 [18:52:21] <greycat> Just set up your domain's DNS so that gdn.your.domain resolves to the web server's IP address.
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3397 [18:52:38] <m0rd3cai> ok heres another ?. i foudn my answer. im trying to compile to setup a server for tetrinet. to compile it requitres gnome and libgnome yet this is my server VPS. there is no GUI. If i install those packages for gnome, that shouldnt break anything.
3398 [18:52:41] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro, jelly: i have to run an errand in ~8 minutes but will be back in about 20 after that. not asking you guys to commit to stick around just letting you know why i'll be unresponsive.
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3400 [18:52:54] <Jsync> Well, I was told that the prefix can be anything. Though that's appertaining the configuration of the Apache Server I think, right?
3401 [18:53:00] <greycat> m0rd3cai: right, you can install gnome -dev packages without installing "a gui"
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3403 [18:53:08] <m0rd3cai> suhweet
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3405 [18:53:16] <jelly> SerajewelKS: that's fine, I'm billing you by the minute
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3408 [18:53:39] <SerajewelKS> +1
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3410 [18:54:09] <Jsync> greycat, I'll do what I can & look at the DNS part. Thanks.
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3413 [18:54:36] <Jsync> I just remembered that redirect configuration file on the DNS site. Gracias for the help.
3414 [18:54:58] <greycat> Jsync: Since you're only serving one domain, you don't have to mess with virtual hosts or anything. Just make sure Apache is *not* canonicalizing the domain name, and you should be all set once DNS is fixed up.
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3416 [18:55:20] <Jsync> People should package Apache with a gdn file to show something more sociologically appropriate.
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3419 [18:56:14] <Jsync> Dragons in peoples' faces. 0.o
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3423 [18:58:10] <jelly> I find not messing with virtualhosts is silly. If you have one site you may soon have two or more.
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3425 [18:58:34] <greycat> There's merit in that argument, but I suspect this is his first web server, so there's also merit in KISS.
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3427 [18:59:20] <JamieDimon> Is this the appropriate channel for server support?
3428 [18:59:26] <jelly> the moment you want https you have two virtualhosts, and you want https right away I'd think
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3430 [18:59:46] <jelly> JamieDimon: if the server is running debian, yes
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3432 [19:00:05] <greycat> Why would you want https?
3433 [19:00:18] <jelly> it's becoming a default
3434 [19:00:31] <jelly> the question is why would you NOT want it
3435 [19:00:36] <JamieDimon> jelly: Well, it's not. It is running Ubuntu Trusty, but I need to get away from upstart so I'm considering Debian vs CentOS now.
3436 [19:00:41] <greycat> If all your friends jump off a bridge, ....
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3439 [19:01:18] <jelly> JamieDimon: both have current releases with systemd as default init and service manager
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3444 [19:02:08] <jelly> debian can be switched back to sysvinit easily if need be. No idea about centos.
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3450 [19:02:37] <JamieDimon> That's good.
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3476 [19:14:16] <JamieDimon> Debian or FreeBSD sounds like the safest choice all-things-considered.
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3481 [19:17:00] <unborn> okay.. so finally I ditched ubuntu completely :)
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3484 [19:19:20] <Zarthus> yeah? are you not even missing the amazon search a little bit?
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3497 [19:24:07] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro, jelly: gdisk and grub-install output: replaced-url
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3513 [19:29:11] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro, jelly: haha wtf okay now it's working
3514 [19:29:12] <jelly> greycat: they're not jumping off a bridge, but they're sure going to use browsers made by bungee lovers.
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3516 [19:29:42] <SerajewelKS> i installed grub to /dev/sdb as well (something i did before reinstalling debian, too, which did not work)
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3519 [19:30:02] <jelly> SerajewelKS: now unplug sda and see if it boots! :-D
3520 [19:30:07] <SerajewelKS> i guess the system was trying to boot from sdb and i hadn't installed grub to sdb on the reinstalled environment
3521 [19:30:16] <jelly> kidding, wait a day until the thing rebuilds
3522 [19:30:37] <SerajewelKS> i'm still not sure why it didn't work before reinstalling, but whatever, at least it's working now
3523 [19:30:42] <SerajewelKS> jelly: yeah i was gonna say
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3526 [19:31:21] <SerajewelKS> jelly: mdstat estimates 30 days to sync
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3528 [19:31:36] <jelly> I'm conservative and if I have to use md raid for boot/os disks, I still use separate /boot and put md format 1.0 or 0.9 on it
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3533 [19:32:35] <SerajewelKS> 30 days to copy 3TB seems like a long time
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3536 [19:33:32] <jelly> SerajewelKS: grep . /sys/block/md*/md/{stripe_cache_size,speed_limit_min} says what?
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3541 [19:35:01] <SerajewelKS> jelly: no such file or directory on both
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3544 [19:35:10] <jelly> oh, raid1
3545 [19:35:19] <SerajewelKS> yes
3546 [19:35:25] <jelly> SerajewelKS: then just speed_limit_min
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3548 [19:35:47] <jelly> the other one is for raid5 and 6 only I think
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3551 [19:35:54] <SerajewelKS> jelly: like i said, no such file or directory on both of those
3552 [19:35:57] <SerajewelKS> including speed_limit_min
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3554 [19:36:21] <SerajewelKS> sync_speed_min?
3555 [19:36:26] <jelly> um. what DO you have in /sys/block/mdXXX/md/ then?
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3557 [19:36:36] <JamieDimon> What's the best way to install Debian 8 on a server if I want to avoid installing cruft, like X Window Manager?
3558 [19:36:41] <jelly> right, I've copied a typo from irc.
3559 [19:36:44] <JamieDimon> I can mount an ISO
3560 [19:36:50] <greycat> Install it, and deselect Desktop Environment when you get to that step.
3561 [19:36:55] <SerajewelKS> jelly: min is 1000 (system), max is 200000 (system)
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3564 [19:37:16] <SerajewelKS> sync_speed changes but seems to average about 1100
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3566 [19:37:28] <jelly> SerajewelKS: you can echo 20000 > sync_speed_min
3567 [19:37:42] <SerajewelKS> neat. guessing i need to change it back later?
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3571 [19:38:15] <SerajewelKS> jelly: heh now we're talking 38 minutes, that's a bit better :)
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3573 [19:38:24] * SerajewelKS is learning a lot of things today
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3576 [19:38:40] <jelly> 38 minutes can't be right for a 3TB device
3577 [19:38:43] <JamieDimon> Okay, so I will just use the netinst image? replaced-url
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3579 [19:38:56] <SerajewelKS> jelly: oh my bad, hours
3580 [19:39:00] <SerajewelKS> i confused my units
3581 [19:39:22] <jelly> a 146GB 10krpm SAS can do 38 minutes, yours should be more like 18 hours
3582 [19:39:24] <greycat> Yes, use netinst and install normally. When you get to the tasksel dialog, with things like "SSH server" and "Debian Desktop", uncheck everything you don't want. Which should just be one thing, since only one thing is checked by default IIRC.
3583 [19:39:25] <SerajewelKS> still that's definitely better
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3585 [19:39:47] <FinalX> jelly: my 8 TB disk takes 26 hours to rebuild and that's an SMR disk, but that's with ZFS, though :)
3586 [19:39:52] <jelly> SerajewelKS: if the system is otherwise idle, up it to 50000 or 70000
3587 [19:39:58] <greycat> If you uncheck literally everything, you get a base install.
3588 [19:40:04] <SerajewelKS> jelly: can min be > max?
3589 [19:40:06] <FinalX> ...and that's on an old X7DBU board with 3gbit sata :P
3590 [19:40:21] <jelly> SerajewelKS: no, but they can be equal
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3592 [19:40:39] <jelly> SerajewelKS: well honestly I did not try to do that, ever
3593 [19:40:45] <JamieDimon> Last thing: what can I tell management when they find out I'm reverting the migration to Ubuntu Server that was done in 2011?
3594 [19:41:08] <jelly> FinalX: raid1 zfs?
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3596 [19:41:13] <FinalX> jelly: mirror
3597 [19:41:18] <jelly> right.
3598 [19:41:19] <FinalX> so yeah
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3601 [19:41:42] <mutante> JamieDimon: managers look at apt sources ?:P
3602 [19:41:58] * jelly tries to avoid using huge disks for OS where possible
3603 [19:42:45] <FinalX> so do I, I have 16 GB SATA DOM SLC with the host OS, and a mirror of 128 GB SSDs for LXC containers (raid1, where everything runs in), and then 4x8TB for big data (raid10)
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3605 [19:42:57] <JamieDimon> mutante: Well, I am going to announce the change back to Debian.
3606 [19:43:00] <FinalX> if shit goes south, I just reinstall the SLC-stick, set up networking and lxc, and I'm done
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3608 [19:43:03] <FinalX> ubnu1841723664644541
3609 [19:43:04] <FinalX> oops
3610 [19:43:09] <jelly> JamieDimon: you could have gone with ubuntu 16.04, it also has systemd now
3611 [19:43:41] <JamieDimon> jelly: Right, but I'm not. I have to say Debian is better.
3612 [19:43:45] <FinalX> that's what I'm using on my server, because of ZFS and better LXC support; all our servers at work are running Debian, though :)
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3614 [19:44:04] <jelly> JamieDimon: then tell them why it's better?
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3616 [19:44:36] <jelly> if YOU don't know why, why are you migrating to it?
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3622 [19:46:15] <greycat> The servers are flying south soon!
3623 [19:46:25] <teraflops> Hah
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3628 [19:47:27] <JamieDimon> jelly: Lack of sleep after a power outage honestly, but I feel Debian will have lower memory use by default
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3633 [19:48:47] <teraflops> What's wrong with the south? :P
3634 [19:48:57] <jamesl> I've updated my sources.list in preparation for upgrading to debian stretch, and am currently running apt -get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Do I need to update the kernel after the update or can I just reboot straight away?
3635 [19:49:01] <JamieDimon> I am so not in the right mind to be planning our infrastructure, but if it's not done today -- I know it won;t happen
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3639 [19:49:21] <greycat> jamesl: for testing support go to OFTC network, channel #debian-next
3640 [19:49:47] <jamesl> greycat, thanks. Didn't know about that channel
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3642 [19:50:46] <jelly> JamieDimon: honestly now that I can't buy a server with <16GB, I'm not sure a couple hundred MB available RAM is a valuable addition
3643 [19:51:14] <JamieDimon> jelly: I'm working with a total of 6 GB for everything.
3644 [19:51:23] <jelly> I'm sorry.
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3646 [19:51:50] <jelly> install i386, its userspace eats 0-10% less RAM ;-)
3647 [19:51:50] <JamieDimon> But I suppose I should be aware of what we are paying for the extra 200MB
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3650 [19:52:43] <jelly> (depending on workload. I've seen really broken perl scripts eat 80% more on amd64)
3651 [19:52:50] <JamieDimon> jelly: Even on VMware that's running on an AMD64 machine (yes, that's right--we have VMware ESX on this 6 GB machine)
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3653 [19:53:10] <jelly> doesn't ESX reserve 2GiB for itself by default
3654 [19:53:52] <jelly> I'd send you some crap DDR2 sticks or 512-1GB size that are otherwise going to be trashed
3655 [19:54:01] <jelly> of*
3656 [19:54:06] <JamieDimon> I can't go wrong with Debian to save 200MB though can I?
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3659 [19:54:56] <jelly> you can go wrong if you don't verify your assumptions
3660 [19:55:06] <JamieDimon> The machine is far away from me, but I appreciate it.
3661 [19:55:33] <jelly> so okay, install a debian vm, but also install a 32bit one and a base ubuntu and a base 32bit ubnntu if those still exist.
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3663 [19:55:44] <JamieDimon> jelly: Absolutely, they are my achilles heel. You are straight onto me
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3670 [19:57:18] <jelly> (you may also realize you could save more time and money getting 2-4-8 GB RAM from ebay instead of doing microoptimizations)
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3784 [20:33:49] <tharkun> I'm scripting my way out of installing a mailserver. When I do apt-get install postfix I get an interactive dialog to preconfigure postfix how can I skip it?
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3786 [20:34:25] <tharkun> oo_miguel: The age of your usb is something that is indeed very important and also how much info it has.
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3793 [20:35:09] <oo_miguel> the drive is already a couple of years old. you mean it might be damaged?
3794 [20:35:30] <jelly> oo_miguel: which exact command are you using to write to it?
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3801 [20:36:03] <oo_miguel> jelly: I used midnight commander to copy a file. but I can try "cp" from the commandline and see if it helps
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3804 [20:36:27] <tharkun> oo_miguel: Not precisely damage but maybe near its EOL
3805 [20:36:40] <jelly> oo_miguel: also: use the "mount" command to see whether the "sync" option is present for that mount point
3806 [20:36:41] <oo_miguel> reading is a couple of magnitudes faster
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3808 [20:36:58] <jelly> which debian release is this, oo_miguel?
3809 [20:37:35] <oo_miguel> debian 8 jelly
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3812 [20:38:40] * rainfyre thought it was debian 8 jessie ...
3813 [20:38:46] <oo_miguel> ehehe
3814 [20:38:48] <rainfyre> heheh
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3820 [20:39:46] <oo_miguel> oooops, It seems it was my fault
3821 [20:39:51] <oo_miguel> however I do not understand it
3822 [20:39:57] <oo_miguel> the drive was mounted twice
3823 [20:40:14] <oo_miguel> once automounted under /media/usb0 but I mounted it myself manually
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3825 [20:41:00] <oo_miguel> still I wonder why this slowed it down so badly
3826 [20:41:31] <lesta> which fs? fat 32?
3827 [20:41:48] <oo_miguel> lesta: nah its ext4
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3832 [20:43:36] <oo_miguel> maybe it was mounted at two places with varying mount options or something
3833 [20:43:57] <oo_miguel> never mind. I am glad it works now. thank you very much everybody
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3860 [20:57:58] <consolejazz> Running Debian on a lowend home NAS. I have my desktop computer's `/home` directory that I wish to keep on disk1 of the NAS and then have automated, incremental backups of disk1 to NASs disk2. Both disks will have use dm-crypt + LUKS encrypted partitions. NAS will be on 24/7, however, I wish to have the disks' partitions auto-mounted upon login. QUESTION 1: Is the simplest way to do this with a Bash script? Wondering what else I should includ
3861 [20:58:51] <greycat> Dear gods, no, you don't set up automounting home directories with a bash script. You use autofs.
3862 [20:58:55] <consolejazz> QUESTION 2: What utility should I use to make these automated, incremental filesystem backups of disk1 to disk2 (i.e., both disks' encrypted partitions already mounted)?
3863 [20:59:11] <greycat> Backups *can* be done with a bash script.
3864 [20:59:24] <consolejazz> greycat: heh, that's why I'm here :) Now I have a new keyword to research
3865 [20:59:44] <consolejazz> Although I'm sure I've probably come across the term already. Just a lot to take in
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3869 [21:01:03] <consolejazz> Also, my main reason for encrypting the drives is to act as a safeguard in case of home theft
3870 [21:01:20] <tako> Hi my software & updates not working i remove and install it again but still it is not working
3871 [21:01:29] <consolejazz> I'm still figuring out a FOSS remote-hosted (offsite) backup solution
3872 [21:01:49] <jamesl> I can't get smooth video in HTML5 youtube, even with the gstreamer packages that are required for HTML5 playack installed. Even 360P is not smooth. Youtube is smooth in windows, so it isn't a resource problem
3873 [21:01:59] <mtn> tako: which version of debian?
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3875 [21:02:24] <tako> mtn, stable
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3878 [21:02:48] <mtn> tako: what does software and updates not working mean?
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3880 [21:03:02] <tako> mtn, when i uncheck a source its not working
3881 [21:03:12] <tako> mtn, its dont check anything
3882 [21:03:17] <mtn> tako: sorry, I don't know what you mean by that, either
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3885 [21:04:16] <tako> mtn, do u know that program that manage your sources from gui
3886 [21:04:34] <mtn> tako: synaptic?
3887 [21:04:58] <tako> mtn, nope this replaced-url
3888 [21:05:10] <mtn> tako: no, never used it
3889 [21:05:39] <tako> mtn, okay its not working so :D
3890 [21:05:41] <mtn> tako: why don't you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to dpaste.com and give us the link?
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3892 [21:06:43] <tako> replaced-url
3893 [21:06:46] <mutante> tako: might be easier to just edit the files with a text editor
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3897 [21:07:35] <mtn> tako: or use synaptic, if that other app is not working for you
3898 [21:07:43] <mutante> the "httpredir" part looks odd
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3900 [21:08:05] <mtn> mutante: nah, that is ok
3901 [21:08:14] <mutante> ok
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3904 [21:09:10] <tako> mtn, in synaptic i can remove sources from sources.list or sources.list.d and i dont want to do it from file
3905 [21:09:35] <mtn> tako: ok, so use synaptic. that will work, right?
3906 [21:09:57] <tharkun> How can I install an package that trys to run dpk-reconfig but without actually running dpkg-reconfigure so the installation can be scripted. What would be my google/dpkg search term?
3907 [21:09:59] <mtn> tako: you should read this, too. replaced-url
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3914 [21:11:29] <mutante> tharkun: replaced-url
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3934 [21:18:43] <wewlad> hello pals
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3936 [21:19:25] <wewlad> how to copy a whole line (a long one) in nano? when I select it and copy it - it get's narrowed down to the visible part and the rest is replaced with $
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3940 [21:21:32] <FinalX> i'm a vim user, but whenever i need to do something in nano, i just hit ctrl+k and then ctrl+u, then ctrl+u again to make a second copy :P
3941 [21:21:38] <greycat> Wow, the nano man page doesn't show the keystrokes at all.
3942 [21:21:42] <FinalX> works easier than figuring out the other keyboard shortcuts tbh
3943 [21:21:50] <FinalX> the keystrokes are at the bottom of the screen
3944 [21:21:57] <FinalX> M-^ Copy Text
3945 [21:22:10] <FinalX> and I suppose once copied, it might also just be ^U
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3947 [21:22:28] * greycat wonders why people use nano if they don't know how to do anything in nano
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3949 [21:22:41] <tharkun> mutante: Just what the doctor ordered Thanks :)
3950 [21:22:46] <FinalX> hey, i started with pico, it's predecessor, before I learned vim
3951 [21:23:09] <mutante> tharkun: :)
3952 [21:23:20] <FinalX> ...but that was pretty much because it came with pine
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3954 [21:23:29] <FinalX> god, i feel old
3955 [21:23:39] <tharkun> greycat: nano seems to be the default cli editor for debian. It used to be vim
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3959 [21:24:10] <FinalX> ....to our horror at work :) first think is export EDITOR=vim :)
3960 [21:24:15] <FinalX> thing*
3961 [21:24:46] <tharkun> Actually there is a debian command that makes that persistent on the system.
3962 [21:24:48] <greycat> Also, my nano doesn't show "M-^ Copy Text" but it does show "^K Cut Text" and "^U UnCut Text"
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3964 [21:25:02] <greycat> tharkun: update-alternatives --config editor
3965 [21:25:32] <tharkun> Yes, that one :) I keep forgetting it :)
3966 [21:25:33] <FinalX> ok, I see. I started it on an Ubuntu box, the jessie one does not show them.. sorry
3967 [21:25:37] <wewlad> turns out nano is not really usable
3968 [21:25:53] <wewlad> ctrl+k > ctrl+u way doesn't work across 2 files
3969 [21:25:59] <FinalX> (Ubuntu is nano 2.5, jessie is 2.2)
3970 [21:26:11] <greycat> wewlad: cp the file, edit each copy.
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3973 [21:26:35] <tharkun> wewlad: greycat gave you the answer. Use something you feel well with. and use the update-alternatives to make it persistent.
3974 [21:26:36] <wewlad> greycat: I need to add 1 small paragraph from one file to another
3975 [21:26:56] <greycat> cp file1 foo; editor foo; cat foo >> file2; editor file2
3976 [21:27:18] <wewlad> so basically cat a file
3977 [21:27:22] <tharkun> don't forget to erase everything you don't want directly on foo so it is less messy
3978 [21:27:28] <greycat> Or use whichever non-newbie editor you actually use.
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3980 [21:28:12] <berndj> how do i show a package's maintainer scripts?
3981 [21:28:16] <FinalX> and if you don't know any, try to learn one, preferably one that you know will be around other linux installs by default as well (like vim)
3982 [21:28:25] <berndj> ideally given an uninstalled .deb file
3983 [21:28:28] <FinalX> ..it'll be great value
3984 [21:28:29] <wewlad> so I just cat file1 > selected and copied the text using mouse and ctrl+shift+c > nano file2 > ctrl+shift=v
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3986 [21:28:43] <wewlad> that's a crappy way
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3988 [21:29:17] <wewlad> what are some normal text editors for linux?
3989 [21:29:24] <wewlad> for debian
3990 [21:29:27] <greycat> wewlad: vim, vim, emacs, and vim
3991 [21:29:38] <wewlad> no, no, no and no
3992 [21:29:48] <berndj> and ex
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3997 [21:30:02] <greycat> ed is the standard editor(tm)
3998 [21:30:19] <wewlad> can ed copy a long line to paste it into another file?
3999 [21:30:25] <wewlad> copy from a file
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4001 [21:30:48] <greycat> vim can.
4002 [21:30:50] <greycat> I just did it.
4003 [21:31:15] <wewlad> vim uses a dicky approach 'remember all my keys and hotkeys or die painfully'
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4007 [21:33:16] <lesta> in nano is more easy: ^G or F1 for help
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4009 [21:33:44] <tharkun> wewlad: Most cli editors with have in one way or another that aproach but vim allways has :help command to the rescue.
4010 [21:33:46] <mutante> "easy" = what you did often before
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4012 [21:34:05] <tharkun> Same way of thinking as man pages for bash.
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4015 [21:34:16] <mutante> how is ^G not "remember the hotkey"
4016 [21:34:33] <lesta> F1
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4018 [21:34:47] <greycat> because it says "^G Get Help" at the bottom of the nano screen
4019 [21:35:08] <mutante> ok :) true then
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4031 [21:45:18] <consolejazz> greycat: your autofs suggestion, that pertains to mounting disk/partition over NFS, on the client machine, I believe. I'm speaking about auto-mounting the encrypted partitions upon successful login of the NAS itself, which is running Debian
4032 [21:46:00] <consolejazz> For that, it seems I need to add `/etc/fstab` entry and then another entry to `/etc/crypttab`, apparently
4033 [21:46:01] <greycat> I don't do encrypted disks. How do you normally do such things? Just do whatever the normal procedure is.
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4036 [21:46:53] <consolejazz> greycat: I have my individual workstation encrypted, however, I've not done this for a NAS or where I'm backing things up to encrypted volumes
4037 [21:47:14] <greycat> Why would it be different on the server than it is on the workstation?
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4039 [21:48:28] <consolejazz> My workstation is OS X and the NAS is running Debian. I plan to move my private $HOME files to the dm-crypt+LUKS partition from the Debian-based NAS
4040 [21:49:54] <consolejazz> never used dm-crypt/LUKS, nor have I created any custom-rolled solution to incrementally backup one partitions filesystem to a duplicate partition, let alone both being encrypted
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4042 [21:50:34] <consolejazz> If there's a more appropriate forum to discuss backup/encryption matters, I'm all ears :)
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4044 [21:51:14] <greycat> Well, once they're both mounted, you can rsync from source to destination. I just don't know a damned thing about mounting them.
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4053 [21:53:33] <consolejazz> Yes, I was considering rsyncing them. I know of tools like Duplicity (and the recent fork Borg), but I've not used them. I know they do encrypted, incremental backups. As for efficiently but securely mounting this stuff, yea, still figuring that out
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4055 [21:54:36] <consolejazz> And I'm trying to understand how dangerous it might be if I, say, forgot to unmount (NFS) the NAS partition from my client machine before rebooting the NAS itself for some update, etc.
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4068 [21:58:44] <StanislasP> Bonsoir a tous.
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4073 [22:00:03] <StanislasP> J'aurais une simple question pour commencer. est il réellement nécessaire de séparer le /home de a racine / en les mettant dans des partitions séparer ?
4074 [22:00:06] <greycat> !fr
4075 [22:00:06] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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4078 [22:00:30] <StanislasP> Ok :) Thanks. I go
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4082 [22:00:57] <greycat> If I understand the question at all, "No, /home does not have to be a separate partition." But sometimes it's good to separate it, for example if you want to dual-boot multiple OSs and share /home among them.
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4086 [22:01:56] <StanislasP> Thnaks for the answer. I try to improve my english with you :)
4087 [22:01:58] <consolejazz> StanislasP: do you have a particular reason for not keeping to that convention?
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4089 [22:02:14] <consolejazz> On va essayer de vous aider :)
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4091 [22:02:23] <consolejazz> mais, en anglais pour le moment
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4094 [22:03:28] <StanislasP> I have a dual-boot Win10/Unix (Debian, Ubuntu can't support my pc) All my personnal data would go to a NAS so if I have to reinstall all, I can download all from the nas.
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4096 [22:03:52] <StanislasP> So did I have to separate my / frome my /swap and my /home?
4097 [22:04:02] <consolejazz> Not for personal data no
4098 [22:04:13] <consolejazz> i.e., work, school files and such
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4102 [22:04:38] <stairmast0r> hi guys. i keep having a problem where my static IP is getting overridden by DHCP every few hours. any ideas?
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4104 [22:04:53] <consolejazz> But there's files in say, `/etc` and `~/.config` that would additionally be worthwhile to have a copy of on your NAS
4105 [22:05:00] <greycat> stairmast0r: then it's not a static IP.
4106 [22:05:07] <StanislasP> And If not, How do I have to "partitionnate" manual for having a /swap and a / which taken all the reste of the data (i just find how to make 3 parts)
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4108 [22:05:16] <consolejazz> But don't *move* them to the NAS, just rsync copies to it
4109 [22:06:10] <consolejazz> StanislasP: hm, I wouldn't worry much about that. That sort of stuff is handled during OS (re)install. Most important is to have backup copies of your personal files, any particular system config / dotfiles
4110 [22:06:14] <stairmast0r> greycat: i set the interface to static in /etc/network/interfaces, and restarting the networking service sets the static IP back when it's been DHCPd
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4112 [22:06:29] <StanislasP> Yep it's that I copy them to a NAS which copy them on an extra data-center
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4115 [22:07:01] <consolejazz> Okay, so are you doing full-disk encryption then?
4116 [22:07:19] <StanislasP> Not for the moment :)
4117 [22:07:20] <consolejazz> *not encryption... *I mean backup
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4119 [22:07:40] <consolejazz> full-disk backup versus filesystem (that is, just individual directories, files) backup
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4124 [22:08:09] <greycat> stairmast0r: if you changed interfaces(5) from dhcp to static, but didn't kill the DHCP client daemon, then the client daemon will continue running and will happily clobber the static settings. Rebooting would fix it.
4125 [22:08:15] <StanislasP> full-disk bacjup? No only the project of my job and my personnal data (documents, musics..;)
4126 [22:08:18] <consolejazz> Mm, en effet, je ne comprends pas exactement votre question
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4133 [22:10:00] <StanislasP> consolejazz > If it's not an obligation, How do I have to "partitionnated" during install to have a /swap of 4Go and the reste for the / racine ?
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4136 [22:11:01] <stairmast0r> greycat: i've just now bludgeoned dhclient to death. will it come back on reboot? i couldn't find a service to disable
4137 [22:11:17] <|_[O_O]_|> hai friends, why does grub2 pull legacy settings from menu.lst?
4138 [22:11:27] <greycat> It is launched when you have dhcp lines in interfaces.
4139 [22:11:45] <stairmast0r> ah so it's dead forever then. thank you :)
4140 [22:11:50] <greycat> The "correct" way is to ifdown eth0 (and any other DHCP interfaces), which stops the daemon, *THEN* edit interfaces, then ifup eth0.
4141 [22:11:57] <greycat> Of course nobody remembers to do that.
4142 [22:12:25] <consolejazz> StanislasP: it depends upon your hardware. How much RAM in your system?
4143 [22:12:36] <StanislasP> 8Go :)
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4146 [22:12:51] <StanislasP> 8Go DDR3
4147 [22:13:18] <StanislasP> But i have to create à swap i thik.
4148 [22:13:31] <consolejazz> StanislasP: it's better to have it in my estimation
4149 [22:13:52] <consolejazz> Ubuntu doc, but it's also recommended by those developers, replaced-url
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4151 [22:14:12] <StanislasP> I think to create a /swap of 4Go and a / of the reste (~=350Go)
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4159 [22:14:53] <StanislasP> But i juste view a tutorial which say to create the / a the begining then swap then home of the rest
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4162 [22:15:30] <consolejazz> I'm not familiar with the order they should be created
4163 [22:15:39] <greycat> It does not matter where the partitions are, relative to each other.
4164 [22:15:40] <StanislasP> So I'm not sure of how can I swith them :) /swap in first then / and the swap have to be where at the begining or the and?
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4166 [22:15:44] <consolejazz> But as for the size of the swap, with 8Go, 4Go is just fine
4167 [22:15:52] <greycat> You can put them anywhere on the disk.
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4169 [22:16:30] <StanislasP> Ok. I try to try that and i will come back :)
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4171 [22:17:23] <consolejazz> A plus
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4191 [22:28:23] <CaptainStuhlgang> moin moin
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4199 [22:29:59] <consolejazz> mdr
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4204 [22:31:12] <StanislasP> Re
4205 [22:31:24] <StanislasP> It's ok, the install has continue.
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4207 [22:31:28] <StanislasP> :D
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4209 [22:32:02] <telecity> hax
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4212 [22:32:40] <consolejazz> StanislasP: felecitations
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4215 [22:33:15] <SpeccyMan> felicitations
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4217 [22:33:20] <StanislasP> Right now I have to choose between gdm3 and kdm. The probleme now his: I have a wide screen (21:9 2050x1080 pixel) And i have ton install the driver of nvidia to use it properly. Which one his better for this?
4218 [22:33:25] <consolejazz> s/felecitations/felicitations
4219 [22:33:48] <StanislasP> (I'm a terribal man for the open-source :p)
4220 [22:34:19] <StanislasP> consolejazz > SpeccyMan > Thanks :)
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4225 [22:36:15] <consolejazz> StanislasP: je vous en prie
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4230 [22:37:09] <pityu> hi 2 all! running #!++ on acer aspire ES 15
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4232 [22:37:10] <FarbrorAlBot> Free web host accounts at replaced-url
4233 [22:37:10] <FarbrorAlBot> limited account go fast replaced-url
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4236 [22:37:46] <consolejazz> Vi command discovery of the week: `ZZ` as replacement for `:wq!`
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4238 [22:38:11] <consolejazz> Let's toss in `:x` too
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4241 [22:38:26] <StanislasP> consolejazz > Did you know which is better to choose betwen gdm3 and kdm for using a driver of nvidia?
4242 [22:38:36] <|_[O_O]_|> consolejazz: how about something a little more useful - like multi-line insert via Visual mode
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4244 [22:39:07] <|_[O_O]_|> StanislasP: the driver wont care about your DM, i'm using i3wm with the nvidia drivers
4245 [22:39:19] <consolejazz> |_[O_O]_|: oh yeah, but I knew about that not longer after coming upon the text editor. This is just my latest discovery, thought I'd pass along a little nugget
4246 [22:39:31] <|_[O_O]_|> :D
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4248 [22:39:38] <|_[O_O]_|> ever play with :tabe?
4249 [22:39:44] <consolejazz> Nopers
4250 [22:39:47] <|_[O_O]_|> give it a shot, much win
4251 [22:39:48] <|_[O_O]_|> :tabe .
4252 [22:39:56] <pityu> no , no the guy is right gdm3 a bit "laggy" on nVidia
4253 [22:39:59] <|_[O_O]_|> if you've ever used tabs in a gui, its much the same way
4254 [22:40:20] <|_[O_O]_|> gdm3 is just laggy in general, through no fault of the device driver
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4256 [22:40:27] <consolejazz> |_[O_O]_|: thank you
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4258 [22:40:34] <|_[O_O]_|> my pleasure :D
4259 [22:40:35] <markybob> are we seriously calling gdm3 gnome3 now? c'mon people
4260 [22:40:40] <StanislasP> |_[O_O]_| > Thanks. I have to find which is the difference between them.
4261 [22:41:07] <|_[O_O]_|> mostly comes down to preference, I will note that an ungodly amount of applications require gtk -- PITA.
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4263 [22:41:16] <nkuttler> just use xdm. that's snappy
4264 [22:41:21] <markybob> ugh
4265 [22:41:26] <pityu> :-D
4266 [22:41:45] <consolejazz> StanislasP: I recommend sticking with non-proprietary if you can at all
4267 [22:42:20] <StanislasP> I have only choise betwwen gdm3 and kdm.
4268 [22:42:37] <markybob> StanislasP: it's not gdm3. it's gnome3. gdm3 is a different thing
4269 [22:42:47] <StanislasP> consolejazz > I'm pretty sure I can't whith the big wide screen I have.
4270 [22:42:55] <markybob> and it's kde
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4272 [22:42:58] <telecity> what kind of sourcery is :tabe
4273 [22:42:59] <markybob> but fuck it
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4279 [22:43:38] <consolejazz> hm, they're both GPL
4280 [22:44:01] <consolejazz> I'll be quiet.. I'm mostly running GNU/Linux on lowend systems. Headless too, generally
4281 [22:44:01] <StanislasP> Nop, during installationg I choose gnome and kde and right now I have to choose between them. If I choose kdm i'm whith the startX of kde and gdm3 whith gnome3 ?
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4283 [22:44:07] <ArexR> television: you ended up being banned on #linux, what kind of noobery is that
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4290 [22:44:47] <markybob> StanislasP: this is why we have a french channel. you're making no sense.
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4293 [22:45:05] <nkuttler> StanislasP: either dm can launch either desktop environment
4294 [22:45:17] <consolejazz> markybob: ah, he's doing all right, let the man practice his anglais
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4296 [22:45:38] <television> telecity: what?
4297 [22:45:38] <pityu> no habla ingles :-D
4298 [22:45:47] <consolejazz> I don't speak Mexican!
4299 [22:45:56] <dtux> is the only option for getting libglm-dev=0.9.4.x on jessie (or glfw3 on wheezy) to build from source?
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4301 [22:46:09] <dTal> to be fair #linux is a cesspit from what I remember
4302 [22:46:21] <nkuttler> ,v libglm-dev
4303 [22:46:22] <judd> Package: libglm-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.3.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie: 0.9.5.4-1; sid: 0.9.7.4-1; stretch: 0.9.7.4-1
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4305 [22:46:41] <consolejazz> *which is actually called Nahuatl, so I just learned
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4307 [22:46:48] <nkuttler> dtux: no 0.9.4 anywhere it seems
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4314 [22:48:25] <consolejazz> StanislasP: yes, that sounds right
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4316 [22:48:46] <consolejazz> gdm3 will call up the GNOME 3 session manager
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4319 [22:49:57] <pityu> can somebody point om part of code in WiCD Network Mannager responisble for reading state of laptop leed. RFKill (hard) problem
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4322 [22:50:24] <dtux> nkuttler: really, i just need glfw3 + glm < 0.9.5
4323 [22:50:30] <dtux> ,v lib-glfw3-dev
4324 [22:50:31] <judd> No package named 'lib-glfw3-dev' was found in amd64.
4325 [22:50:39] <dtux> ,v libglfw3-dev
4326 [22:50:40] <judd> Package: libglfw3-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 3.0.4-1; sid: 3.1.2-3; stretch: 3.1.2-3
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4328 [22:50:51] <dtux> agh
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4331 [22:51:22] <dTal> pityu: have you tried turning it off and on again
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4333 [22:51:38] <pityu> dtal: many times
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4335 [22:53:40] <pityu> only trick that works if close the leed , leave to sys go hyber and afher a few min VOALLLA , works
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4337 [22:53:44] <pityu> so anoing
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4343 [22:56:18] <pityu> so hope too change the value in wicd will work permanent
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4348 [22:58:47] <pityu> or disasseble the lappy and manualy bypass the switch :-D :-D :-D
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4351 [22:59:26] <consolejazz> What's your guys' views on filesystem stacked level encryption, ala eCryptfs or EncFS.. notably, for a home user that wishes to secure personal data
4352 [22:59:39] <consolejazz> That compared to dm-crypt+LUKS
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4358 [23:00:55] <telecity> dm-crypt+tresor
4359 [23:01:32] <telecity> doesn't ecryptfs or encfs still rely on having the key in RAM?
4360 [23:02:14] <telecity> tresor patches the linux kernel to use the AES-NI instruction set by having the decryption password stored in CPU registers
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4365 [23:03:34] <telecity> law enforcement sprays RAM with a coolant to get those "volatile" remnants off
4366 [23:03:52] <telecity> since ages
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4383 [23:09:50] <consolejazz> telecity: yes, I've read a bit about ecryptf/encfs not being as secure as dm-crypt
4384 [23:10:21] <consolejazz> but in practice, curious how many people use filesystem level encryption and if thats sufficient for protecting against home theft of disk drive
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4386 [23:10:31] <consolejazz> *access by theif to data, that is
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4389 [23:10:35] <consolejazz> *thief, argh
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4391 [23:10:47] <telecity> consolejazz: I barely use windows because of this particular issue
4392 [23:11:17] <telecity> consolejazz: I don't know of a way to encrypt the windows setup, apart from running windows in a linux VM
4393 [23:11:22] * PadawanLearner may the force be with you
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4395 [23:11:50] <telecity> consolejazz: to have the decryption key _not_ stored in RAM when operating Windows
4396 [23:11:50] <consolejazz> telecity: sorry, you mean lack of ability to find any kind of meaningful encryption, filesystem or otherwise, for Windows?
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4400 [23:12:24] <consolejazz> Veracrypt containers offer some reasonable protection on Win?
4401 [23:12:26] <telecity> consolejazz: sort of. encryption schemes for windows seem meaningless, unless the decryption key is not stored in RAM
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4405 [23:13:20] <telecity> consolejazz: I just don't see any point, because the key is in RAM still
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4407 [23:14:12] <ryouma> this might be silly, but i don't know whether you can trust windows in the first place?
4408 [23:14:36] <simonlnu> it's also really off-topic ;)
4409 [23:14:50] <ryouma> yeah :)
4410 [23:14:54] <consolejazz> aye
4411 [23:15:07] <consolejazz> Getting back on topic, replaced-url
4412 [23:16:39] <telecity> how can I pipe the error stream (2) to grep, when my stdout goes to /dev/null?
4413 [23:17:09] <ryouma> telecity: 2>&1 if you want both
4414 [23:17:12] <simonlnu> don't null it?
4415 [23:17:23] <telecity> ryouma: that's the thing, I only want the error fd
4416 [23:17:32] <telecity> simonlnu: need to :)
4417 [23:17:38] <telecity> simonlnu: false positives otherwise
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4421 [23:18:51] <telecity> command 2>&1 >/dev/null | grep 'something'
4422 [23:19:01] <telecity> dafu.. didn't realize this would work
4423 [23:19:16] <telecity> or not
4424 [23:19:18] <telecity> :)
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4427 [23:20:02] <telecity> piping after redirection though
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4429 [23:20:17] <ryouma> yup, it works. but as usual bash requires trial and error
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4437 [23:24:41] <floor13> running into some stability issues running Kodi on a Jessie box. I'm downgrading to wheezy. Is it as simple as s/jessie/wheezy/g sources.list and an update + dist-upgrade?
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4452 [23:28:59] <Gerowen> I now have two computers running Debian 8 that when you try to log in graphically from the login screen, just blink black for a few seconds and kick back out to the login screen. One is running 32 bit with bone stock repositories, one is 64 bit with jessie-backports added. Is there some sort of regression going on or something?
4453 [23:29:08] <Brigo> floor13, downgrading is not supporting and it isn't going to work.
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4456 [23:29:19] <SerajewelKS> floor13: dist-upgrade will not downgrade packages
4457 [23:29:36] <SerajewelKS> floor13: installing older versions of packages over newer versions is not supported and could break your system
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4460 [23:30:26] <floor13> thanks Brigo SerajewelKS , good thing I asked.
4461 [23:30:45] <Brigo> floor13, np
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4477 [23:37:23] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Is there a truly rolling distribution based on Debian Testing? I looked into SolydXK, but it turns out to be semi-rolling and based on the Stable branch.
4478 [23:38:57] <KapiteinStoelgan> Debian Sid
4479 [23:39:09] <KapiteinStoelgan> Ubuntu 6-months-releases
4480 [23:39:14] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Isn't that the Unstable branch though?
4481 [23:39:21] <KapiteinStoelgan> it is
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4483 [23:39:40] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Ubuntu isn't a rolling distro as far I know though.
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4485 [23:39:47] <tharkun> Heart-Of-A-Lion: If you want Debian testing, you will only get that product when you download Debian Testing, Anything else will be based on Stable and have some pinches of Testing and Even Sid
4486 [23:40:09] <StanislasP> Rha... Grub won't list my windows partition...
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4489 [23:41:42] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Aha, okay, in that case I'm looking for a truly rolling Debian distribution, which isn't based on the unstable branch. (thus stable)
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4491 [23:42:37] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> It would be great if Debian itself had a truly rolling branch, that wasn't Unstable.
4492 [23:43:05] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> I know that there have been discussions about this since 2012, but I guess it hasn't happened yet.
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4501 [23:46:35] <menace> huh? i do not get it. why is debian unstable not a rolling release?
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4505 [23:48:32] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> It is rolling, however it's too unstable for every day use, is it not?
4506 [23:48:56] <menace> then why don't you use debian testing?
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4508 [23:49:10] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Testing isn't a rolling branch
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4510 [23:49:31] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> I'm looking for Debian based on a rolling release model
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4512 [23:49:45] <menace> what does rolling mean for you? there are always updates in testing when there's no freeze interval
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4518 [23:50:59] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Rolling for me means: Install once and then never again, because everything is constantly updated. Packages, kernel, graphics drivers, etc. Everything.
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4520 [23:51:31] <nkuttler> sounds pretty much like testing
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4522 [23:51:44] <rainfyre> Heart-Of-A-Lion: is there something about Testing that you object to?
4523 [23:51:55] <menace> sounds like testing for me..
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4527 [23:52:31] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> No, there's nothing about Testing that I object to. :) It's just that I read that only the Unstable branch is truly rolling, while Testing isn't.
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4529 [23:52:41] <tharkun> Heart-Of-A-Lion: According to your definition Debian stable is rolling.
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4532 [23:53:16] <nkuttler> Heart-Of-A-Lion: btw, if you always want the latest software not even sid will do for you
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4534 [23:53:34] <tharkun> I have machines that had debian installed 8 years ago and they have only been upgraded.
4535 [23:54:13] <cruncher> once i checked what distro has really the latest software, and from my list of needed software, i coulndt find one that had all the latest software
4536 [23:54:18] <tharkun> And the only reinstalls have been when hw failed misserably, (hdd to be precise)
4537 [23:54:24] <menace> well according to his definition debian stable is not rolling in my view
4538 [23:54:30] <cruncher> Heart-Of-A-Lion, that is not the definition of rolling release
4539 [23:54:45] <menace> because the updates stop after some years.
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4542 [23:55:10] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> I'm coming from Manjaro/Arch, which gives users a truly rolling experience. I'm looking for a Debian version of that experience.
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4544 [23:55:23] <cruncher> basically, if it has no "versions" its rolling, unstable is a pseudo rolling release, stable isnt at all. Gentoo, Arch are the most known rolling releases
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4548 [23:56:04] <dTal> Heart-Of-A-Lion: that's not really the Debian experience... which features from Debian do you particularly miss in Arch?
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4551 [23:56:14] <menace> i do not think debian will help you tehre...
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4554 [23:56:46] <cruncher> i use sid, and the difference of the latest and the sid versions is minimal
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4556 [23:57:38] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> The only feature I miss from Arch is the amount of architectures that it supports. Arch supports x86_64/i686 and ARM. Debian supports a much longer list of architectures, which is convenient for installing it on embedded systems.
4557 [23:57:47] <dTal> the thing that allows Arch to be so bleeding edge is the PKGBUILD concept, which automates building packages from upstream - maybe what you want is something like NixOS's unstable channel?
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4560 [23:58:27] <dTal> That's intruiging, *86 and ARM cover 99.99% of use cases nowadays
4561 [23:58:43] <dTal> you hacking on an old imac G3 or somethin?
4562 [23:59:12] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> No, I just like my system to have broad capabilities, just in case I want to fiddle.
4563 [23:59:26] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Debian offers it all, except I haven't been able to find a truly rolling version of it like Arch.
4564 [23:59:49] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> I can't imagine that it doesn't exist though.
4565 [23:59:55] <rainfyre> it doesn't
4566 [23:59:59] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Really?
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