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1 [00:00:08] <lokien> TomTomTosch: okay, thank you very much! I'm preparing my pendrive :D
2 [00:00:15] <radw> hello again
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4 [00:01:00] <ipatrol> ...why .jp?
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19 [00:05:16] <lokien> default (aka most supported) DE in debian is gnome, am I right?
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22 [00:05:53] <markybob> not most supported. default yes. kind of anyway.
23 [00:06:00] <lokien> thanks
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27 [00:06:19] <Paianni> xfce was default for a few months in 2014
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30 [00:06:40] <markybob> if you ask a lot of use anything about gnome we won't be able to answer you. myself included.
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32 [00:06:44] <x-ip> @seen Katai
33 [00:06:49] <markybob> us*
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36 [00:07:23] <lokien> markybob: I see
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54 [00:13:42] <Spine> Hi, I'm having issues trying to figure out what causes my displays to sleep
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57 [00:14:26] <Spine> I installed Debian 8.4 without any DE and used apt to install dwm after getting the system running
58 [00:15:22] <Spine> I've tried running xset -dpms and have failed trying to find other programs that might cause my displays to sleep
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101 [00:34:31] <zykotick9> Spine: <from old notes, not sure if they are current> xset -dpms && xset dpms off && xset s noblank
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120 [00:43:28] <lokien_> What does that mean? "Started GNOME Display Manager...events daemon.Privileged Tasks..es.ink was shut down.."
121 [00:43:48] <lokien_> It shows up when I'm booting a live system and gdm doesn't start
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144 [00:53:29] <TomTomTosch> lokien_: if you want to install debian you should not be using a live image. also, how did you copy the iso to the usb drive?
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148 [00:54:13] <lokien_> TomTomTosch: dd. what iso to use then?
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150 [00:54:19] <lokien_> and what tool?
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154 [00:54:54] <TomTomTosch> this one probably. replaced-url
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156 [00:55:16] <TomTomTosch> dd is fine. cp is what the install manual recommends though.
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159 [00:56:05] <markybob> don't forget to sync after. people always fuck that up
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161 [00:56:19] <markybob> it's in the guide but no one remembers :/
162 [00:56:23] <lokien_> markybob: I synced
163 [00:56:44] <markybob> still live doesn't support uefi. you should use what TomTomTosch said.
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168 [00:57:27] <lokien_> ah. I'll use that then
169 [00:57:59] <lokien_> btw, few days ago me and a friend installed debian on an old laptop, from the live image
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171 [00:58:05] <lokien_> did we screw up?
172 [00:58:20] <markybob> no. if it's old he probably didn't need uefi
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175 [00:58:35] <lokien_> good then
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180 [00:59:39] <lenovobrightness> also if it would need uefi it could have been disabled in bios right? just set it to legacy mode right?
181 [00:59:55] <pandabro> As of today the left mouse button on my keyboard decided to stop working. I restarted once and that helped but it happened again a few minutes later. Any suggestions? Is there at least a way to restart the mouse that might help?
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184 [01:00:09] <pandabro> sorry, I mean to say the left mouse button on my laptop
185 [01:00:11] <markybob> sure. a lot of newer laptops don't have that option anymore.
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189 [01:01:29] <TomTomTosch> pandabro: sounds like a machanical problem. check if others experienced similar issues with that model.
190 [01:01:47] <jonbryan> Has anyone noticed a hit to their battery life after installing Grsecurity?
191 [01:02:53] <markybob> you think grsecurity is actually needed on a laptop?
192 [01:03:30] <pandabro> duh I've been sitting on the wireless mouse. lmao. sorry
193 [01:03:37] <jml2> jonbryan, you can hold on to that thought, i think the new 4.5 kernels are trying to merge grsec code with less breakage :)
194 [01:03:48] <jml2> jonbryan, i read it somewhere
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197 [01:04:09] <jml2> jonbryan, replaced-url
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199 [01:04:29] <jml2> jonbryan, you'd be seeing more grsec things coming into 4.6
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210 [01:09:27] <subzero79> Can security.debian.org be replaced with replaced-url
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269 [01:43:22] <le_pig> Is it necessary to run apt-get update after adding a gpg key to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/, or will apt simply notice it the next time I try to install a package?
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297 [01:56:03] <le_pig> Well, I think I've answered my own question. Looks like an update is required to avoid a return code 100. :)
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411 [02:52:11] <Lugh> Viva o Benfica, foda-se! 7.ª Taça da Liga!!!
412 [02:53:06] <markybob> Lugh: stay on /topic please
413 [02:53:30] <Lugh> We are the Champions! Viva o Benfica !!!
414 [02:53:47] <markybob> Lugh: no one cares. this is for debian support. if you want go to #debian-offtopic
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469 [03:25:12] <ironpillow> hi all, I have two NICs, eth0 and eth1. eth0 is connected to the router (10.0.1.1) which is say WAN. I have static IP address to eth1 (10.0.1.200). I have laptop connected to the same router with ip 10.0.1.17. I am trying to ssh into the debian box (10.0.1.200) I am not able to.
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474 [03:26:30] <markybob> ironpillow: you know ssh server isn't installed by default? you have to apt-get install openssh-server
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476 [03:27:29] <ironpillow> I installed the ssh server while installing debian. also changed to "PermitRootLogin" in the sshd_config file.
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478 [03:27:56] <markybob> debian allows root by default
479 [03:27:59] <ironpillow> checked its status via `service ssh status`
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484 [03:28:33] <markybob> are you using a derivative?
485 [03:28:37] <dTal> ironpillow: you're trying to ssh in as root?
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488 [03:29:00] <markybob> i mean it's stupid but debian allows it by default
489 [03:29:35] <markybob> ironpillow: what's lsb_release -a
490 [03:29:37] <ironpillow> dTal: this is only a test box. I am playing around with Xen
491 [03:29:42] <dTal> does it? maybe I'm getting confused with Arch, but I remember running into trouble with PAM trying to do that even after setting PermitRootLogin
492 [03:29:50] <ironpillow> oh..ok I have done several debian and alpine installations today so I must be confused.
493 [03:30:03] <dTal> don't worry I'm not one of those moralisers you sometimes find on IRC
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495 [03:31:15] <ironpillow> markybob: lsb_release -a : No LSB modules are available. Distribu....ID: debian, Desc: Debian..., release: 8.4, codename: jessie
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497 [03:31:37] <markybob> ironpillow: yeah, lsb_release is also default. so you have some derivative
498 [03:32:14] <ironpillow> markybob: oh...I downloaded it from debian website
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500 [03:33:05] <markybob> ironpillow: i find it amazing that you cant remember and suddenly do :P
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502 [03:33:51] <ironpillow> markybob: I was talking about ssh being default. not debian being derivative
503 [03:34:12] <dTal> what about localhost, can you ssh in that way?
504 [03:34:19] <markybob> ironpillow: anyway, the point is we can't know what derivatives change. so we can't support it
505 [03:34:26] <ironpillow> I took your word about debian having permitrootlogin on by default.
506 [03:35:07] <ironpillow> dTal: yeah I can
507 [03:35:23] <dTal> interesting
508 [03:35:45] <ironpillow> markybob: I just checked the downloaded file and usb stick I used. not using a derivative.
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510 [03:36:37] <dTal> that pretty much leaves firewall rules, address binding, or funky PAM policies
511 [03:36:43] <markybob> i don't believe you. but someone else can take over if they do.
512 [03:37:13] <ironpillow> markybob: that's ok :) thanks! anyway
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514 [03:38:49] <dTal> but yeah, a clean debian install should just work... you say you're playing with Xen?
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518 [03:40:23] <ironpillow> dTal: iptables are clean
519 [03:40:47] <ironpillow> and yeah I installed xen and am using debian as dom0
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521 [03:41:30] <dTal> this seems likely to be a xen thing
522 [03:41:57] <dTal> unfortunately I am not a xen person
523 [03:42:06] <dTal> is any of this relevant? replaced-url
524 [03:42:10] <dTal> no not that ignore that
525 [03:42:14] <dTal> replaced-url
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528 [03:43:14] <dTal> X11's multiple clipboards, never a missed opportunity for embarassment...
529 [03:43:59] <robysath> fresh jessie with mate: created $HOME/bin/, re-login, but no $HOME/bin/ in $PATH. Why not? .profile sets it if it exists. I should just edit .bashrc and add same "if [ -d $HOME/bin...." ?
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531 [03:45:26] <ironpillow> dTal: hahaha. xen link is relevant but it's mentions domU and with which I have a problem. But right now I am having problems with dom0 which is debian. My domU is alpine.
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534 [03:46:13] <ironpillow> I can't ssh into dom0 or domU. so I started with dom0 and am trying to tackle it first
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536 [03:46:27] <dTal> yeah I'm outside my comfort zone here I'm afraid. Is there a xen irc?
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538 [03:47:05] <markybob> robysath: so you're saying that in your ~/.profile has this? and it doesn't work after logging out and in? replaced-url
539 [03:47:13] <ironpillow> dTal: yeah will do. thanks for the help!
540 [03:47:37] <dTal> hey I tried :)
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542 [03:48:57] <ironpillow> dTal: definitely. I understand Xen is a whole different beast.
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545 [03:50:12] <robysath> markybob: correct, the contents of your pastebin are found at the end of my .profile
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547 [03:50:34] <robysath> In my ~/.profile that is
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549 [03:50:51] <markybob> robysath: are you the same user greycat was helping with PATH earlier?
550 [03:51:03] <robysath> nope
551 [03:51:31] <robysath> markybob: are you the same guy who a few days back told me i had a frankendebian due to errors in aptitude with spideroak.com repo?
552 [03:51:38] <robysath> err... user
553 [03:51:42] <robysath> guy=>user
554 [03:51:46] <markybob> robysath: yes. that is what mixing repos do
555 [03:52:01] <robysath> markybob: i re-installed jessie to have a clean system
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557 [03:52:56] <markybob> robysath: i don't know how to help you in this situation, though. if it's in ~/.profile like my paste...it should work. hrm.
558 [03:53:00] <robysath> markybob: so on this fresh jessie the $HOME/bin does not appear in my $PATH even after log-off and back on
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560 [03:54:01] <markybob> robysath: you can be crazy and add path to ~/.bashrc
561 [03:54:05] <robysath> I don't have ~/.bash_profile nor ~/.bash_login as the comments say that .profile will not be ready should such files exist
562 [03:54:15] <robysath> markybob: ok let me try
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565 [03:55:23] <robysath> brb
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569 [03:56:40] <robysath> markybob: success, $HOME/bin is now in $PATH
570 [03:56:46] <markybob> robysath: yay
571 [03:56:54] <francium> Im looking into installing debian with encryption. Two tutorials I've seen online have used a encrypted LVM (swap and root) + unencrypted boot. Do I need a LVM? Can I do just a boot, swap and root parititons?
572 [03:57:03] <robysath> can you think of anyway i can check what is read on startup to see why the .profile didn't work?
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575 [03:59:06] <markybob> robysath: no but i saw it earlier today that's why i thought it was you. greycat was trying to help someone with it. i didn't see the outcome but what i saw didn't look good
576 [03:59:23] <dimitry7> hey guys
577 [03:59:38] <robysath> markybob: cool, thank you for your help
578 [03:59:49] <dimitry7> im working with bind replaced-url
579 [03:59:49] <robysath> markybob: and the lesson on frankendebian = bad :)
580 [03:59:57] <markybob> robysath: :)
581 [04:00:07] <dimitry7> that's my config, if I take aaamerica.com.mx out of the zone
582 [04:00:17] <dimitry7> it resolves, but inside the view it doesn't
583 [04:00:22] <dimitry7> ** out of the view, sorry.
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586 [04:01:52] <Epakai> in packaging setting up build-depends it seems there are some 'build-essential' packages that don't need to be listed. how do i know which ones?
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595 [04:06:29] <jrg> have debian on the bananapi that showed up today
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597 [04:06:36] <jrg> pretty interesting little board
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608 [04:11:29] <awwal> How to download X youtube video with youtube-dl and while the video is being downloaded play it with mpv?
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616 [04:14:27] <Epakai> this should work, but won't save a copy of the file 'youtube-dl url -o -|mpv -'
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619 [04:16:22] <Epakai> if you want to save it you would need a variation that uses the 'tee' command to redirect to stdout and a file
620 [04:16:59] <awwal> Epakai, I want to save the video, thats why I want to do that. Bcoz if I dont want to save it I can just run mpv youtubeurl
621 [04:17:11] <awwal> no clue how to do that
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623 [04:17:38] <awwal> it's a long video (around 4 hours)
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626 [04:18:53] <Epakai> 'youtube-dl url -o -|tee filename|mpv -', pipe it to tee which writes filename, then pipes it into mpv (- makes mpv read from stdin)
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629 [04:19:46] <awwal> without the quotes ( '') eh?
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632 [04:20:16] <Epakai> yeah, just differentiating the command
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635 [04:20:53] <awwal> fthe filename should be .what?
636 [04:21:06] <Epakai> it's your file, name it however you like
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638 [04:22:25] <awwal> i thought it should be .m4a or something. ok lets try
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645 [04:25:36] <dimitry7> how do i make bind check etc/hosts first?
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656 [04:28:50] <awwal> Epakai, good, it works just fine. But I get this message at the start "[cache] Cache is not responding - slow/stuck network connection?". My connection is good, I dont get that message if I run only youtube-dl or mpv
657 [04:29:08] <awwal> I guess it's not important :)
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660 [04:29:48] <posho> i need some helpo
661 [04:29:52] <posho> help
662 [04:29:58] <posho> anybody
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664 [04:30:10] <TacoGS> Don't ask for help, ask the question
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666 [04:31:03] <Epakai> dimitry7: i think you just use the order keyword in host.conf, man host.conf
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669 [04:31:10] <posho> i cant install a eggdrop on debian jessee
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671 [04:31:28] <posho> how can i installed it says that the egdrop need a tcl
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674 [04:31:39] <posho> i already installed but still saying the same thing
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677 [04:33:10] <awwal> Epakai, thanks for the nice trick :)
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679 [04:34:36] <Epakai> posho: you installed the debian package? what command are you running and what is the exact error message? use pastebin if it's more than 2 lines
680 [04:35:09] <posho> ok i installed tcl-dev
681 [04:35:19] <dimitry7> Epakai, great, thank you!!
682 [04:35:43] <posho> but when i try to compile the egdrop it just say that needs tcl-dev and tcl-devel
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685 [04:36:22] <posho> which tcl-dev is already installed but cant instal tcl-devel
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688 [04:37:12] <dimitry7> Epakai, didn't work: order hosts,bind
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698 [04:41:10] <Epakai> are you testing from a client or local command like host? a bunch of stuff i read said use getent to test, but this is getting beyond my knowledge
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701 [04:43:00] <posho> ?
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704 [04:46:00] <Epakai> posho: i don't know why you're building it when debian has it packaged, you can specify the path to the tcl lib and headers as eggdrop's configure tells you to
705 [04:46:17] <Epakai> ./configure --with-tcllib='/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtcl.so' --with-tclinc='/usr/include/tcl8.6/tcl.h'
706 [04:47:12] <posho> ok let me try this one cuz its different for what it says on the eggdrop error
707 [04:48:26] <Epakai> that's all i had to do to get it to build on stable anyway
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713 [04:51:44] <posho> replaced-url
714 [04:51:47] <posho> here
715 [04:52:44] <markybob> posho: i'm not going to be any help with tcl8.6 but fyi, a lot of use can't view pastebin.com. use paste.debian.net if you want the channel to see it
716 [04:52:53] <markybob> us*
717 [04:53:52] <Epakai> yeah, this is the same error i had. i installed tcl-dev, but their configure failed so i specified the path as above
718 [04:54:50] <Epakai> your libtcl may be different if you're not on x86_64
719 [04:55:01] <tacocat> i see autotools-dev and libz-dev in the build-deps for eggdrop
720 [04:55:14] <posho> replaced-url
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723 [04:56:45] <tacocat> posho: are you on a 32-bit or 64-bit install?
724 [04:57:30] <markybob> posho: dpkg -l tk8.6-dev
725 [04:57:55] <posho> amd64
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727 [04:58:12] <markybob> posho: and dpkg -l tcl8.6-dev
728 [04:58:28] <posho> i already install tk-dev
729 [04:58:29] <posho> too
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731 [04:58:43] <posho> still get me the same message
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733 [04:59:07] <markybob> posho: you're using stable?
734 [04:59:19] <markybob> posho: or wheezy?
735 [04:59:34] <posho> im on debian 8 jessee
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737 [04:59:45] <posho> im on debian 8 jessie
738 [04:59:57] <markybob> posho: i still want the pastes of what i asked for
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741 [05:00:42] <posho> Current Template: Debian 8.0 x86_64
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743 [05:00:51] <posho> markybob
744 [05:01:04] <posho> replaced-url
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748 [05:01:26] <markybob> posho: yeah. that's not what i asked for
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751 [05:02:33] <posho> dont see what you ask me for
752 [05:02:49] <markybob> multiple dpkg -l results
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754 [05:02:57] <posho> ok
755 [05:02:58] <posho> hold on
756 [05:03:01] <markybob> add tcl-dev to what i already asked
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771 [05:15:58] <markybob> posho: you not only didn't follow instructions but you broke channel policy. so well done.
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779 [05:21:51] <posho> replaced-url
780 [05:21:58] <posho> sorry im trying
781 [05:22:05] <posho> but can seem to work
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784 [05:24:17] <posho> thank you anyway it seems that i cant make it work
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804 [05:41:01] <jmcnaught> posho: why not use the Debian package? "apt-get install eggdrop"
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820 [05:49:15] <jackcom> what tutorial is good to learn linux?
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831 [05:55:14] <posho> jmcnaught: i did but how do i config that
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833 [05:56:55] <sbine> posho: Browse the web? Be curious?
834 [05:57:34] <posho> it doesnt show on gloogle how just the way i was doing it
835 [05:57:57] <posho> and still cant compile the eggdrop
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837 [05:58:44] <jmcnaught> posho: first check /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/README.Debian. there's also "man eggdrop". why do you need to compile it?
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840 [05:59:32] <posho> if i do apt-get install how i config the eggdrop
841 [06:00:22] <posho> thats the thing i already google it and doesnt tell me how to .... a
842 [06:00:53] <jmcnaught> posho: the package comes with documentation that says how. after you install the package, look at the documentation that i mentioned above
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844 [06:01:00] <sbine> we can't do it for you
845 [06:01:02] <posho> ok
846 [06:01:13] <posho> i know you guys cant
847 [06:01:13] <themill> !README.Debian
848 [06:01:14] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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852 [06:03:17] <posho> ok thanks guys
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854 [06:03:21] <posho> got it
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921 [06:48:11] <ravegen> Good day. For testing purposes, how can i corrupt the mbr and filesystem so it wont be used anymore and how to fix it.
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924 [06:57:21] <DaleK5whr> use hammer
925 [06:57:33] <Gaiseric> ravegen: By writing directly on the underlying "block device" and its partitions, eg. /dev/hda{,1,2,3,4}. This of course requires elevated privileges, and might NOT be recoverable. Do not EVER do that unless you are planning to format the whole drive anyway
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929 [06:59:15] <ravegen> Gaiseric can you give me example and how to fix it?
930 [06:59:21] <Gaiseric> ...photorec and testdisk (also in the "photorec" package) could be used to recover (some) data, but that would not fix the filesystem, it would need a new mkfs anyway.
931 [07:00:04] <Gaiseric> or perhaps photorec is in the testdisk package, I don't remember
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934 [07:01:41] <Gaiseric> example of MBR destruction: dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/hdx
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937 [07:01:52] <Gaiseric> This would only affect the MBR
938 [07:02:11] <Gaiseric> Of course it doesn't exactly apply to GPT disks
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940 [07:02:28] <ravegen> Tnx but what about the filesystem?
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944 [07:03:39] <Gaiseric> That's much harder (and most certainly non-recoverable) because you don't know the raw addresses of critical filesystem structures.
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947 [07:03:59] <ravegen> Ok but how to do that?
948 [07:04:15] <Gaiseric> CAn't be done controllably
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951 [07:04:38] <ravegen> May i know why?
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953 [07:04:52] <Gaiseric> uncontrollably... just change random bytes of, lets say, /dev/hdx3
954 [07:05:19] <Gaiseric> using a hex editor, or dd, or whatever you want
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956 [07:05:50] <Gaiseric> again, elevated privileges required
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961 [07:09:34] <ravegen> Tnx so much
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1064 [08:35:40] <shibly> Hi
1065 [08:35:51] <shibly> i A libcanberra-gtk-module - translates GTK+ widgets signals to event sounds
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1067 [08:35:55] <shibly> What is A ?
1068 [08:35:59] <shibly> i = installed
1069 [08:36:01] <shibly> A=?
1070 [08:37:12] <shibly> aptitude search canberra-gtk-module
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1072 [08:37:42] <themill> !aptitude states
1073 [08:37:42] <dpkg> aptitude has 4 status fields for each package that it may display. icpvBuCH are the "current state" (ask me about <aptitude current state>), iudphFrB are the actions to be performed (ask me about <aptitude actions>). There is also "A" for automatically installed and "U" for untrusted. Also ask me about <aptitude ops> <aptitude search> <aptitude docs>.
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1093 [08:52:34] <jrg> anybody using a banana pi?
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1095 [08:53:10] <jrg> doesn't seem like debian picks up the sd when inserted when booting from the onboard emmc. is this normal?
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1122 [09:05:08] <MoonGNatRouth> dpkg: hello
1123 [09:05:08] <dpkg> moin moin, moongnatrouth
1124 [09:05:16] <MoonGNatRouth> dpkg: what can you do?
1125 [09:05:17] <dpkg> MoonGNatRouth: are you using Windows?
1126 [09:05:22] <MoonGNatRouth> dpkg: no
1127 [09:05:22] <dpkg> No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users.
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1131 [09:05:44] <MoonGNatRouth> dpkg: white ip
1132 [09:05:45] <dpkg> If someone talks about a "white ip" it means the speaker is trapped inside a private non-routable wide area network by their ISP. The "white ip" is how they refer to a regular host that isn't trapped.
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1134 [09:06:04] <MoonGNatRouth> dpkg: lxde
1135 [09:06:04] <dpkg> The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE) is available since Debian 5.0 "Lenny". To install, ask me about <install lxde>. replaced-url
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1137 [09:06:15] <MoonGNatRouth> dpkg: help
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1151 [09:18:04] <themill> MoonGNatRouth: it's probably easiest if you talk to the people in here
1152 [09:18:31] <MoonGNatRouth> themill: I just was interested what can do the bot
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1156 [09:22:19] <DoubleMan> Freeware Videogame for windows replaced-url
1157 [09:22:46] <AlexLikeRock> any one can open this url replaced-url
1158 [09:23:01] <AlexLikeRock> The connection has timed out
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1166 [09:24:32] <yskapell> Hi all
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1168 [09:24:38] <yskapell> I have an issue with debian stable
1169 [09:24:56] <yskapell> If my laptop has big uptime 2,3,4 days or weeks
1170 [09:25:27] <yskapell> when I do init 0, it cannot shutdown and I have to do it pressing 10 sec the power button
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1172 [09:25:33] <yskapell> any idea?
1173 [09:26:26] <yskapell> same when I try to use system -> shutdown
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1195 [09:38:04] <eluus> hi, I've changed my hostname and mounted another partition as home folder everything is fine except pulseaudio isn't working
1196 [09:38:36] <eluus> pavucontrol says: connection to pulseaudio failed
1197 [09:39:13] <eluus> pulse_server in the environment/X11 Root Window Properties or default-server in client.conf is misconfigured
1198 [09:39:17] <eluus> How do I fix this?
1199 [09:39:50] <eluus> reinstalling didn't help
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1212 [09:46:30] <AlexLikeRock> dpkg gay
1213 [09:46:31] <dpkg> It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. There is no possible meaning of "gay" that is consistent with your usage (you weren't meaning "happy", now, were you?) that is not offensive. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced.
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1236 [09:53:05] <yskapell> any idea why I cannot shut it down?
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1244 [09:56:09] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> yskapell did you check dmesg ? did you try 'sudo shutdown now -h' ?
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1249 [10:00:03] <yskapell> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: yes dmesg is clear
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1251 [10:00:29] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> yskapell: that was two questions :P
1252 [10:00:30] <yskapell> not matter how I try to shutdown it stack
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1256 [10:01:26] <tch_shakka> hey guys is there a way to speed up starting up the system, esp. when it is LVM encrypted?
1257 [10:01:39] <yskapell> today I could not shutdown normally after 8 hours of working
1258 [10:02:16] <yskapell> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: the only strange that I found is that in shutdown it try to start anacron
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1261 [10:05:02] <yskapell> check this
1262 [10:05:02] <yskapell> replaced-url
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1266 [10:10:57] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> yskapell: i don't have enought information and it's 4am here so... best of luck to you
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1275 [10:17:09] <mase2hotUK> hi
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1465 [11:57:40] <Pseudo> dpkg enjoy
1466 [11:57:40] <dpkg> Pseudo: I give up, what is it?
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1482 [12:07:19] <H4ndy> Server migration to a new box is annoying .___.
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1484 [12:07:29] <H4ndy> Best saturday morning thing ever
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1490 [12:11:50] <joze> it was easy with hetzner
1491 [12:12:17] <joze> a disk imge with some dhcp modifications and filesystem changes
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1496 [12:14:38] <H4ndy> yeah I am swithing providers
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1498 [12:14:58] <H4ndy> and I come from a Debian 6 box which desperately needed to get trashed
1499 [12:15:57] <x-fak> hi
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1504 [12:20:44] <x-fak> when i log on to my server with SSH i got a mot message about the avalaible update package/security, which command is done to ouptut this information?
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1531 [12:41:01] <Tomatosoup1> debian on VPS for websites (small/medium e-commerce) - 64 or 32 bit ?
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1534 [12:41:23] <Tomatosoup1> VPS have 1gb ram, 1 core
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1538 [12:44:44] <mase2hotUK> anyone konw how to get around... refused local port forward: originator 127.0.0.1 port 64720, target 127.0.0.1 port 3306
1539 [12:44:51] <x-fak> Tomatosoup1 , i took a 64 bits
1540 [12:45:07] <x-fak> i really suggest you a 64 bits
1541 [12:45:39] <x-fak> i got my /var/log/kern.log filled really fast and then this file is getting larg (1GB), how to stop this?
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1543 [12:46:42] <x-fak> filled with that: replaced-url
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1565 [12:55:09] <lokien_> Hey guys, my audio doesn't work on a fresh Jessie install. What could be wrong?
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1588 [13:10:51] <Angelicaa> anyone here have any experience tweaking a grsecurity kernel on debian jessie kde? ;D
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1590 [13:11:50] <Kiril> hello
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1593 [13:12:36] <Kiril> I am running Debian 8.4
1594 [13:12:51] <Kiril> i amm trying to run properly sendmail
1595 [13:12:52] <Kiril> replaced-url
1596 [13:12:58] <Kiril> here's the errors i get
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1599 [13:14:32] <bazhang> Kiril, #sendmail
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1601 [13:16:52] <nkuttler> Kiril: which command did you run?
1602 [13:17:15] <Kiril> apt-get install sendmail-bin sensible-mda
1603 [13:18:32] <nkuttler> Kiril: apt-cache policy sendmail-bin ?
1604 [13:19:10] <Kiril> replaced-url
1605 [13:20:17] <nkuttler> Kiril: sounds like you should report a bug against that package..
1606 [13:20:39] <nkuttler> btw, do you have any particular reason to run sendmail?
1607 [13:20:52] <Kiril> yes
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1609 [13:22:48] <nkuttler> Kiril: but try to mkdir /etc/mail/auth/ and reinstall the package first?
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1611 [13:22:59] <Kiril> let me try
1612 [13:23:15] <nkuttler> fwiw, i've seen sendmail break horribly on install a few times..
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1615 [13:23:41] <nkuttler> fortunately i was never the admin who maintained it..
1616 [13:23:46] <grub214all> Hello I've a question regarding grub2 May I ask it here or is there a grub channel?
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1618 [13:23:57] <nkuttler> grub214all: /msg alis help list
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1620 [13:24:16] <Kiril> btw if you have a better suggestion what to use to send emails i am open to hear it
1621 [13:24:22] <Lirion> replaced-url
1622 [13:24:28] <Kiril> just i don't want to start a mail server
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1624 [13:25:03] <nkuttler> Kiril: what do you mean, you don't want to start one?
1625 [13:25:06] <nkuttler> i use postfix
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1627 [13:25:27] <Kiril> a better how to start and configure postfix?
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1629 [13:25:53] <nkuttler> actually, most of my hosts have ssmtp installed
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1638 [13:37:05] <nikitis> i know this isn't vmware, but i'm using debian as a host machine for it. Anyone know if I give my guest my full capability of CPU's does it dedicate all of that solely to the guest? Or does it share that many with the guest?
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1641 [13:37:44] <nikitis> Like does the host machine still have access to all the logical cores, but sharing with the vm as needed?
1642 [13:38:05] <nikitis> or does the guest lock them so only the guest can use them
1643 [13:38:15] <lokien_> heyy guys, my sound works through the hdmi, but not with headphones/speakers. can you please help me?
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1645 [13:38:53] <nikitis> Lokien, are you using jacks?
1646 [13:39:18] <lokien_> nikitis: yeah
1647 [13:39:40] <nikitis> jacks on the back of the PC require you select a different sound card in Debian. Unless the jacks are located on the monitor where your HDMI plugs into
1648 [13:39:49] <unborn> is ssh good enough to stream movies and oggs +mp3s over local network? or I should install samba? (no windows access need it)
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1650 [13:40:09] <McAndrew> kombiniert mit einem fehler in den iptables-settings :)
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1653 [13:40:29] <lokien_> nikitis: I plugged into the front panel, it didn't work either
1654 [13:40:40] <nikitis> Front panel is also a onboard sound card
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1656 [13:41:01] <nikitis> audio via HDMI is a seperate sound device built onto your video card
1657 [13:41:21] <lokien_> nikitis: so I just change it in pavucontrol?
1658 [13:41:23] <nikitis> So monitors or TV's that support audio can use the video card to get sound
1659 [13:41:25] <nikitis> yeah
1660 [13:41:35] <lokien_> did that, still no sound
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1662 [13:41:49] <nikitis> output device to onboard sound
1663 [13:42:08] <nikitis> or whatever is there that is not HDMI
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1665 [13:42:38] <nikitis> If you did that, then you may have incompatible drivers for your onboard sound
1666 [13:42:57] <nikitis> Find out your chipset and search the internet for debian and chipset sound drivers
1667 [13:43:08] <lokien_> nikitis: thanks
1668 [13:43:19] <nikitis> Sometimes newer motherboards haven't had drivers written for them yet
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1670 [13:43:52] <nikitis> a later kernel will sometimes fix it
1671 [13:44:16] <nikitis> I know a lot of mainboards updated sound drivers in 3.18+
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1674 [13:44:25] <nikitis> debian runs 2.16
1675 [13:44:27] <nikitis> 3.16
1676 [13:45:25] <lokien_> nikitis: hm, it's probably from q4 of 2015
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1678 [13:45:38] <nikitis> yeah it's may be newer
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1681 [13:45:55] <nikitis> lokien_: lots of mainboards around then had sound driver updates in kernel 3.18+
1682 [13:46:06] <lokien_> nikitis: upgrading to testing branch would be reasonable? or just kernel?
1683 [13:46:11] <nikitis> See about updating kernel of debian and reboot
1684 [13:46:13] <lokien_> (I don't know debian at all)
1685 [13:46:20] <lokien_> okay then
1686 [13:46:23] <nikitis> lokien_: i'm new to debian myself
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1688 [13:46:36] <nikitis> but general linux kerenel added support for more modern sound drivers
1689 [13:47:29] <nikitis> my mainboard is from Q1 2015 and needed 2.18
1690 [13:47:32] <nikitis> 3.18*
1691 [13:47:36] <lokien_> nikitis: there's only 3.16 in the stable branch
1692 [13:47:46] <lokien_> so, backports?
1693 [13:47:46] <nikitis> look for guides on the net
1694 [13:47:51] <lokien_> 'kay
1695 [13:47:56] <nikitis> upgrading kernel manually for debian
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1699 [13:49:04] <nikitis> Anyone got answer for me regarding question of whether VMware shares CPU's or dedicates them to the guest?
1700 [13:49:05] <lokien_> I think "debian" acts as a synonym of "ubuntu" in google search :/
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1702 [13:49:24] <nikitis> ubuntu pulls from debian
1703 [13:49:50] <nikitis> as a lot of distros do
1704 [13:50:31] <lokien_> yeah, but I don't know why all the links say "ubuntu", none of them is about debian
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1706 [13:50:37] <nikitis> If you want a stable linux debian is it
1707 [13:50:56] <nikitis> add -ubuntu in your search it will blank out ubuntu results
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1709 [13:51:21] <lokien_> neat, thanks!
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1713 [13:52:07] <nikitis> Yup, learning to search makes access to knowledge much more accessible :)
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1716 [13:52:28] <nikitis> There's all kinds of search tricks, I'd suggest researching that
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1719 [13:53:30] <lokien_> I'm sure I will, once I get my sound to work
1720 [13:53:53] <nikitis> upgrade the kernel, i'm almost certain that will fix it
1721 [13:54:20] <nikitis> upgrade, reboot, then uname -r to make sure you're using it
1722 [13:54:26] <nikitis> test sound
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1724 [13:54:56] <nikitis> you could kexec to the new kernel without reboot, but that's too much explaining to do
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1727 [13:56:42] <lokien_> there's 4.5 in backports - would it be a good pick?
1728 [13:57:10] <nikitis> anything 3.18+ would be, but too high may break things
1729 [13:57:24] <nikitis> i'd stick around like a 4.1 4.2
1730 [13:57:51] <nikitis> you could try 4.5, but if it's unstable roll down
1731 [13:57:57] <lokien_> eh, so I'm back to lurking
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1770 [14:17:12] <lokien_> nikitis: installed 4.5, broke everything
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1775 [14:18:16] <FinalX> lokien_: install udev from backports with it
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1778 [14:18:30] <FinalX> using stock udev with backports kernels gives problems
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1787 [14:22:03] <lokien_> FinalX: still, same problems
1788 [14:22:06] <lokien_> I give up
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1792 [14:24:12] <FinalX> :/
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1802 [14:29:36] <Slimmy> hey guys. I am looking for the geforce gt630 drivers. should i get the .run file?
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1805 [14:30:24] <grub-customizer> I'm looking for package grub-customizer (for debian), where is?
1806 [14:30:36] <lokien_> Slimmy: probably this will help : replaced-url
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1808 [14:30:51] <grub-customizer> why does Debian doesn't have this? It's released under GPL what's the problem with that?
1809 [14:30:58] <Slimmy> lokien_: checking it rn. thanks a lot
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1813 [14:32:10] <lokien_> Slimmy: np
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1819 [14:35:57] <grub-customizer> does debian has grub-customizer in its repositories?
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1822 [14:36:19] <grub-customizer> has debian grub-customizer in its repositories? I'm not able to find it
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1824 [14:36:49] <grub-customizer> no support
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1828 [14:37:06] <Slimmy> lokien_: should i do this on tty?
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1830 [14:37:45] <Slimmy> by the way guys, there is a ppa that fails to fetch due to 404 error. how to remove this from my ppa?
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1846 [14:46:57] <Slimmy> guys. I updated my gpu drivers and my gui is dead now
1847 [14:47:23] <Slimmy> i tried switching to tty and doing startx but it wouldn't work
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1849 [14:47:54] <otirc> Slimmy: roll back, remove the added drivers and replace with your previous
1850 [14:48:12] <Slimmy> otirc: How can i do tht?
1851 [14:48:15] <Slimmy> that*
1852 [14:48:55] <nikitis> Slimmy: don't the latest nvidia still cover 630's?
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1854 [14:50:09] <Slimmy> i dont know. i got a warning about "different kernel" or something. but it said "it's recommended you reboot after the installation" so i rested assured
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1861 [14:52:59] <AberHatschi> Slimmy: maybe missing headers to compile the module for the current kernel ?
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1866 [14:53:22] <Slimmy> AberHatschi: Yes
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1868 [14:53:54] <AberHatschi> iinstall it an reinstall the gpu driver
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1870 [14:54:15] <Slimmy> how can I do that?
1871 [14:54:46] <AberHatschi> look wit apt search for the right header files for you kernel
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1873 [14:55:22] <AberHatschi> uname -a to look what you kernel is
1874 [14:55:24] <nikitis> apt-cache search linux-headers-(uname -r)
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1876 [14:55:34] <nikitis> ^ exact text
1877 [14:55:45] <AberHatschi> thx nikitis
1878 [14:56:26] <Slimmy> thanks for chewing my food for me nikitis. I was googling it :P you really helped a lot
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1880 [14:56:42] <nikitis> i did all this 2 days ago. Still fresh in memory
1881 [14:56:49] <nikitis> for a 660
1882 [14:57:09] <nikitis> but i just added nonfree to my sources.list entry,
1883 [14:57:21] <Slimmy> says unexpected token `('
1884 [14:57:37] <nikitis> hrm no, pretty sure that's it
1885 [14:58:24] <Slimmy> But I am telling you, I tried it.
1886 [14:58:38] <nikitis> what's uname -r say?
1887 [14:58:41] <nikitis> by itself
1888 [14:58:45] <markybob> it's $(
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1890 [14:59:14] <Slimmy> markybob: thanks bud
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1892 [14:59:38] <Slimmy> I got linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 - Header files for Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64
1893 [14:59:39] <nikitis> oh yeah $
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1895 [14:59:47] <nikitis> that's what you need
1896 [14:59:51] <nikitis> install it
1897 [14:59:52] <AberHatschi> build-essential is installed ?
1898 [15:00:01] <nikitis> ^ as well
1899 [15:00:09] <Slimmy> it is
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1901 [15:00:57] <nikitis> off topic: I really love my new $3300 server i built
1902 [15:01:03] <nikitis> running debian
1903 [15:01:15] <AberHatschi> i love debain
1904 [15:01:19] <AberHatschi> ups
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1907 [15:01:24] <AberHatschi> debian
1908 [15:01:40] <Slimmy> is it wise running apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)?
1909 [15:01:59] <nikitis> my only complaint is that i wish it was a but more up-to-date, but I also realize that's why it's very stable
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1911 [15:02:15] <AberHatschi> yeahh
1912 [15:02:25] <Lirion> make it apt-get -s install linux-headers-$(uname -r) , if that satisfies you remove the -s
1913 [15:03:11] <Slimmy> I get that its already the newest version
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1915 [15:03:24] <nikitis> then you got it
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1917 [15:03:41] <Slimmy> but ctrl alt f7 wont show gui.
1918 [15:03:46] <Slimmy> nor startx will work
1919 [15:03:55] <Lirion> you don't need ctrl unless in x
1920 [15:04:04] <AberHatschi> mybe after reboot
1921 [15:04:07] <Lirion> apart from that - startx should throw the log file location at you
1922 [15:04:09] <Lirion> look there
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1926 [15:05:51] <Slimmy> my tty used to be in bigger resolution before the update. I hate it now :|
1927 [15:06:06] <nikitis> small text?
1928 [15:06:10] <nikitis> or large text?
1929 [15:06:15] <AberHatschi> fb
1930 [15:06:24] <nikitis> ^
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1932 [15:06:30] <Slimmy> its too large now
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1934 [15:06:40] <nikitis> large text means your using nvidia driver
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1936 [15:06:56] <nikitis> nouvueu uses small text
1937 [15:07:01] <AberHatschi> you have install nvidia-xconfig ?
1938 [15:07:11] <AberHatschi> and run tham
1939 [15:07:14] <AberHatschi> them
1940 [15:07:23] <Lirion> you still can set up another font. I'm using nvidia here and even for tty, I can tweak the font and its size
1941 [15:07:31] <nikitis> nvidia driver Frame Buffer sucks on Linux, so you have a large text
1942 [15:07:45] <Slimmy> it used to be so smaller and prettier. I got "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module. Please see the system's kernel log for additional error messages and cosult the NVIDIA readme for details. No devices detected. No screens found.
1943 [15:07:47] <nikitis> nouvueu is open source so they wrote a nice FB for it
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1946 [15:08:10] <nikitis> Slimmy: that's xconfig
1947 [15:08:16] <nikitis> sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfig
1948 [15:08:18] <AberHatschi> you have a xorg.conf ?
1949 [15:08:32] <Junkula> does debian backports have the same security support as debian stable?
1950 [15:08:35] <nikitis> then run nvidia-xconfig as sudo
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1952 [15:08:39] <Lirion> isn't nvidia-xconfig a configuration program?
1953 [15:08:44] <nikitis> yes
1954 [15:08:47] <nikitis> it creates an xorg.conf
1955 [15:08:52] <nikitis> detects screens
1956 [15:08:57] <nikitis> and devices
1957 [15:09:07] <AberHatschi> and make a small config
1958 [15:09:07] <nikitis> puts the info there so it uses it
1959 [15:09:09] <Lirion> "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module.[...]"
1960 [15:09:12] <Slimmy> That is the errors from the xorg log
1961 [15:09:25] <Slimmy> i have nvidia-xconfig and im checking the file right now
1962 [15:09:25] <nikitis> Slimmy: run as root nvidia-xconfig
1963 [15:09:29] <markybob> Junkula: i wouldn't call it the same, but yes, it has security
1964 [15:09:29] <AberHatschi> sudo nvidia-xconfig
1965 [15:09:55] <Slimmy> it just tells me the location of the x conf file. i am using nano on it
1966 [15:10:14] <AberHatschi> make it easy
1967 [15:10:19] <nikitis> if you ran it, it's done
1968 [15:10:30] <nikitis> it tells you the location afterwards, but it put stuff there
1969 [15:10:32] <AberHatschi> rebot and wow it works
1970 [15:10:50] <nikitis> ^
1971 [15:10:58] <Slimmy> rebooting
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1973 [15:11:10] <Slimmy> Thanks for all the support until now by the way
1974 [15:11:32] <Slimmy> ugh gui is still dead :(
1975 [15:11:33] <Lirion> do you have the driver compiled on your own? sorry for not reading up all the way
1976 [15:11:55] <Slimmy> Lirion: nope I ran an aptitude command to upgrade it
1977 [15:12:17] <Lirion> !tell Slimmy about nvidia-driver
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1979 [15:12:34] <AberHatschi> apt install nvidia-driver thats all
1980 [15:12:35] <Lirion> basically what I assume you're missing is the nvidia-dkms-driver, but who knows
1981 [15:12:48] <nikitis> you have to add nonfree to sources.list
1982 [15:13:00] <Lirion> ^plus that afaicr
1983 [15:13:06] <nikitis> so where it says jessie contrib, add jessie contrib nonfree
1984 [15:13:11] <Slimmy> AberHatschi: latest version
1985 [15:13:21] <AberHatschi> ok
1986 [15:13:24] <Lirion> dpkg doesn't know nvidia-driver. nice guy.
1987 [15:13:24] <dpkg> Lirion: I give up, what is it?
1988 [15:13:24] <nikitis> then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, then apt-get nvidia
1989 [15:13:31] <Lirion> :D
1990 [15:13:41] <Lirion> basically it's a meta package installing you all required stuff.
1991 [15:13:50] <Lirion> apt-cache show nvidia-driver or just give it a blank try
1992 [15:14:18] <Slimmy> nikitis: Man I tried
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1994 [15:15:05] <Slimmy> hey guys
1995 [15:15:05] <Lirion> and remember to replace the referring line to Driver "nvidia" in your xorg.conf assembly
1996 [15:15:08] <Slimmy> i found something
1997 [15:15:18] <Lirion> but only after installing the package :)
1998 [15:15:42] <Slimmy> It says version 340.91-1. but while installing it said that it's compiled for 340.16 or 340.46 or something
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2000 [15:16:42] <Lirion> apt-cache policy nvidia-driver >> paste to a pastebin
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2007 [15:17:26] <Slimmy> you want me to copy this the way it is?
2008 [15:17:29] <edoardo> Hello
2009 [15:17:35] <Slimmy> heya
2010 [15:17:42] <dahveed311> Hi
2011 [15:17:44] <Lirion> anything before the brackets, yes
2012 [15:17:52] <Lirion> the rest is meta syntax
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2015 [15:18:24] <edoardo> After i updated debian, every GTK3 window looks like this
2016 [15:18:33] <edoardo> replaced-url
2017 [15:19:01] <edoardo> No element borders or backgrounds, the tabs have no padding/margin and everything is collapsed
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2020 [15:20:09] <markybob> edoardo: testing is going through 3.20 gtk transition. testing breaks. plus read /topic
2021 [15:20:46] <markybob> !tell edoardo about debian-next
2022 [15:20:53] <edoardo> Okay!
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2024 [15:21:49] <Slimmy> replaced-url
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2026 [15:22:54] <Lirion> that basically looks good. hm.
2027 [15:23:12] <Slimmy> :/
2028 [15:23:56] <Slimmy> I appreciate you spending time of your day helping. Thanks
2029 [15:25:38] <Lirion> paragaló ;)
2030 [15:25:50] <Slimmy> hahaha parakalo*
2031 [15:26:14] <Slimmy> I realised I would get a comment like this but to be honest I was expecting it from nikitis since he's greek too
2032 [15:26:15] <AberHatschi> you have run the nvidia-xconfig
2033 [15:26:19] <Slimmy> yeah
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2035 [15:26:22] <Lirion> I see where that redir comes from, that's something in the debian wiki I'd consider superseded. I don't have that, but it's simply unnecessary, it doesn't cause you issues
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2037 [15:27:28] <AberHatschi> give a look to last xorg.log
2038 [15:27:33] <AberHatschi> please
2039 [15:27:39] <Lirion> anyhow... replaced-url
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2041 [15:28:11] <Slimmy> I am giving it a look right away AberHatschi no need to please Jesus
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2043 [15:28:40] <Slimmy> the /var/log/xorg.0.log is that you are referring to right?
2044 [15:29:04] <AberHatschi> jau
2045 [15:29:07] <AberHatschi> yes
2046 [15:29:11] <Lirion> :)
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2048 [15:29:25] <Slimmy> i got the same error
2049 [15:29:30] <Slimmy> sec Lirion checking it right now
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2052 [15:31:04] <Slimmy> oh my God
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2054 [15:31:11] <Slimmy> i used apt-get is that bad>
2055 [15:31:12] <Slimmy> ?
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2058 [15:31:24] <AberHatschi> no
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2060 [15:31:31] <AberHatschi> is ok
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2064 [15:32:07] <Slimmy> I am installing the other packages sec
2065 [15:32:13] <Lirion> no. you shouöldn't permanently mix those up, it _could_ confuse your dependencies making upgrades impossible in the future, but I accidentally _installed_ some packages with aptitude when switching back to apt and the machine still runs fine
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2067 [15:33:30] <Slimmy> I always use apt-get
2068 [15:33:39] <Slimmy> Jesus. Now I used aptitude for the rest of the packages
2069 [15:33:55] <Slimmy> don't they use the same flag though? I ran aptitude and apt-get for the same package just for the try
2070 [15:34:04] <Lirion> I wouldn't worry for now. if your next apt-get dist-upgrade runs fine, it's ok
2071 [15:34:19] <Slimmy> I will find out soon enough I guess
2072 [15:34:28] <nikitis> Hey guys, this is really odd. For some reason I have a ~ file inside of my Download directory
2073 [15:34:41] <nikitis> how do I remove this?
2074 [15:34:50] <AberHatschi> ?
2075 [15:34:52] <Lirion> typical prefix for temporary files, maybe some application made a hiccup
2076 [15:35:05] <nikitis> AberHatschi: so it looks like /home/nikitis/Downloads/~
2077 [15:35:08] <Lirion> rm \~
2078 [15:35:10] <Slimmy> won't rm '~' work?
2079 [15:35:19] <nikitis> it tries to remove /home/nikitis
2080 [15:35:24] <Lirion> both will do
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2082 [15:35:32] <Lirion> no, escape it please
2083 [15:35:37] <Lirion> rm ~ won't do
2084 [15:35:44] <han-solo> nikitis: why do you wnat to remove it?
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2086 [15:35:47] <nikitis> ok ' worked
2087 [15:35:47] <Slimmy> try it as root xD
2088 [15:35:59] <Lirion> it's a shell substitution, as soon as you escape it you tell the shell not to substitute it.
2089 [15:36:02] <han-solo> :)
2090 [15:36:04] <nikitis> han-solo: why is it there in the first place? I like my dir's clean
2091 [15:36:08] <Lirion> hence Slimmy's and my approach do the job
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2094 [15:36:39] <nikitis> rm '~' got rid of it, just weird, never seen that before
2095 [15:36:43] <Slimmy> I installed the packages in the pastebin Lirion. Should I perform a reboot right now?
2096 [15:36:53] <Slimmy> I think '' can be used for wildcards too
2097 [15:36:54] <AberHatschi> yeah
2098 [15:36:57] <Lirion> good question. why not
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2100 [15:37:06] <Lirion> yep
2101 [15:37:17] <Lirion> wildcards are still subsituted within "" but not within ''
2102 [15:37:23] <Slimmy> If it works beers for everyone
2103 [15:37:31] <Lirion> good one, never had a greek beer
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2105 [15:37:39] <AberHatschi> hehe
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2107 [15:37:55] <Slimmy> well no worries it didn't work
2108 [15:38:09] <Lirion> ok... pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2109 [15:38:13] <Slimmy> I am so confused. I have no idea what to try
2110 [15:38:15] <Slimmy> Ok
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2112 [15:38:25] <Slimmy> how do i copy it to pastebin in terminal?
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2114 [15:38:42] <jml2> echo a | pastebinit -t title
2115 [15:38:42] <Lirion> there's some debian packages for that, and a hell lot more on the interwebs
2116 [15:38:54] <plasmoduck> Slimmy: install pastebinit
2117 [15:38:55] <Slimmy> jml2 thanks mate
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2119 [15:39:19] <McAndrew> hello all - anyone can hgelp me with special subnettings? im trying to understand
2120 [15:39:24] <Slimmy> plasmoduck: how to use it?
2121 [15:39:38] <McAndrew> i hve some ques for understanding
2122 [15:39:57] <plasmoduck> Slimmy: sudo pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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2124 [15:40:29] <Slimmy> oh no flags no nothing ok
2125 [15:40:35] <Lirion> it's 644
2126 [15:40:37] <Lirion> no need to sudo.
2127 [15:40:48] <Slimmy> i was in root any way
2128 [15:41:04] <Slimmy> replaced-url
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2130 [15:41:38] <Lirion> aha
2131 [15:41:40] <Lirion> no devices
2132 [15:41:46] <Lirion> it's your xorg.conf*
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2134 [15:42:01] <Lirion> at least I assume
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2137 [15:42:09] <Slimmy> suggestions?
2138 [15:42:14] <Lirion> backup your config and run nvidia-xconfig as suggested before
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2140 [15:42:33] <Slimmy> my xorg?
2141 [15:42:38] <Lirion> and then see how nvidia do it and if you want a personalized and less jammed up config adhere to what will work in the end
2142 [15:42:50] <Lirion> the conf file
2143 [15:43:10] <Lirion> i.e. anything in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ you created and the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
2144 [15:43:14] <Slimmy> doesn'it it back it up automatically?
2145 [15:43:32] <Slimmy> I have run nvidia-xconfig like a thousand times today will it mind now?
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2147 [15:43:49] <Lirion> no
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2149 [15:44:06] <jml2> Slimmy, did you clone this machine? usually no xorg.conf is created unless you manually create it
2150 [15:44:12] <Lirion> but if it's the 1001st time that's queer
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2152 [15:44:44] <Slimmy> I really ran jsut an aptitude install jml2
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2154 [15:45:03] <jml2> i think something nvidia may have created it
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2159 [15:45:33] <AberHatschi> the last hard way i mean apt -r --purge nvidia reboot and apt install nvidia-driver dkms nvidia-xconfig run the nvidia-xconfig reboot and you have a desktop
2160 [15:45:47] <AberHatschi> thats my way
2161 [15:46:11] <Slimmy> i just did nvidia-xconfig
2162 [15:46:13] <Slimmy> and rebooting right now
2163 [15:46:27] <Slimmy> my grub has more gui than debian now
2164 [15:46:27] <AberHatschi> ok
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2166 [15:46:43] <Lirion> going to the meta level: anything is defined first as a device. mouse, screen, graphics card. then we get at least one screen section gathering all those. if something goes wrong here a device is missing, and that's what I'm assuming right now
2167 [15:46:53] <jml2> Slimmy, the log says 'compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0'
2168 [15:47:08] <Slimmy> jml2: So?
2169 [15:47:16] <Slimmy> Lirion: rebooted, no change
2170 [15:47:51] <Lirion> nah, reboot won't do the job, driver or config are wrong
2171 [15:47:59] <lozsui> 'rm /data2/backup-2012' does not free space even after rebooting machine. Might RAID or LVM be a problem?
2172 [15:48:08] <jml2> Slimmy, you used nvidia.run ?
2173 [15:48:29] <jml2> Slimmy, try the re-install aber i think mentioned
2174 [15:48:33] <Slimmy> jml2: I had tried it a month ago but I had somehow worked it through
2175 [15:48:43] <Slimmy> ok i will
2176 [15:49:05] <jml2> Slimmy, you can always try to rename xorg.conf to xorg.conf_ and see if the server runs
2177 [15:49:18] <jml2> Slimmy, a faulty xorg.conf can also cause X11 to fail
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2180 [15:49:27] <Lirion> what is curious here is the WWarning about hotplugging, it disables keyboard and mouse aforehand. it's a warning, it doesn't kick you yet, buit never saw this before
2181 [15:49:28] <Slimmy> i will try this first
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2184 [15:50:59] <Slimmy> I forgot where the xorg.conf is
2185 [15:51:06] <Slimmy> oh nothing under x11
2186 [15:51:10] <Lirion> the base is in /etc/X11
2187 [15:51:20] <Lirion> the auxiliaries are in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
2188 [15:51:38] <Slimmy> yup
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2191 [15:52:02] <MrDetonia> Hey, is the lsb-core package removed from stretch, or just waiting to move in from sid atm?
2192 [15:52:06] <Slimmy> Aber suggested apt-get -r... what is r?
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2194 [15:52:27] <AberHatschi> remove
2195 [15:52:49] <Slimmy> jml2: renaming didn't work unfortunately.
2196 [15:52:52] <AberHatschi> and purge delete the config files
2197 [15:52:55] <Slimmy> AberHatschi: crossing my fingers
2198 [15:52:56] <Lirion> MrDetonia apt-cache policy lsb-base, I get 9.20160110 0 from testing
2199 [15:53:14] <MrDetonia> Lirion: yeah lsb-base is there
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2201 [15:53:24] <MrDetonia> some package depends on lsb-core though
2202 [15:53:36] <AberHatschi> 9.20160110
2203 [15:53:38] <han-solo> what are the contents of conf file?
2204 [15:53:48] <Slimmy> I remove nvidia- what?
2205 [15:53:57] <AberHatschi> nvidia*
2206 [15:54:02] <AberHatschi> all of them
2207 [15:54:13] <Slimmy> risky
2208 [15:54:15] <Slimmy> i like it though
2209 [15:54:28] <AberHatschi> not a prob you have fb afterreboot
2210 [15:54:29] <jml2> Slimmy, try the 352.79 release (would be in backports)
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2212 [15:54:48] <MrDetonia> replaced-url
2213 [15:54:53] <MrDetonia> it's in Jessie and sid apprently
2214 [15:54:56] <Slimmy> jml2: goddamn too late
2215 [15:55:02] <MrDetonia> I assume something is up with the version in sid
2216 [15:55:03] <Slimmy> removing the packages
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2218 [15:55:16] <Lirion> OK that's actually a nice question MrDetonia , I see recent web pages stating that Debian drops conformity/compliacne to Linux Standard Base due to irrelevance and the sheer size of the recent LSB
2219 [15:55:26] <Angelicaa> Has anyone upgraded their SSD firmware on a debian system? I went to the manufacturers site (samsung) and couldn't find any package available for linux.
2220 [15:55:27] <Lirion> I just did a quick googling
2221 [15:55:31] <Lirion> might be worth watching
2222 [15:55:31] <MrDetonia> Lirion: hm, that might explain it
2223 [15:55:37] <jml2> Slimmy, you're using an older edition 340
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2225 [15:55:46] <Slimmy> i got NVIDIA driver is still enabled in xorg.conf in error
2226 [15:56:04] <Lirion> but 340.96 does work, for example on my machine.
2227 [15:56:07] <jml2> Slimmy, X11 loads without xorg.conf
2228 [15:56:07] <Slimmy> jml2: i am trying aber's suggestion right now
2229 [15:56:16] <AberHatschi> Angelicaa: your vendor have an iso file to boot from
2230 [15:56:40] <Slimmy> jml2: Should I edit something in xorg now that i removed nvidia files?
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2232 [15:56:45] <Angelicaa> AberHatschi: Oh.. there is an .iso file, but it says mac, so i wasn't sure :P
2233 [15:56:59] <AberHatschi> wich vendor
2234 [15:57:10] <AberHatschi> samsung ?
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2237 [15:57:44] <Angelicaa> Yeah
2238 [15:58:02] <AberHatschi> ok so on there page you found an mac img
2239 [15:58:14] <AberHatschi> under linux
2240 [15:58:20] <Angelicaa> Aberhatschi: Well it's an iso... so maybe they just labeled it Mac?
2241 [15:58:33] <AberHatschi> yes
2242 [15:59:00] <Angelicaa> AberHatschi: Should it have any negative effects if I am using full disk encryption?
2243 [15:59:47] <AberHatschi> make backup
2244 [16:00:00] <Angelicaa> AberHatschi: hehe, okay :)
2245 [16:00:07] <AberHatschi> after flashing maybe a disk wipe
2246 [16:00:33] <AberHatschi> replaced-url
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2250 [16:01:18] <AberHatschi> Slimmy: what does you system ?
2251 [16:01:25] <lozsui> quit
2252 [16:01:30] <AberHatschi> thx
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2254 [16:01:53] <Angelicaa> AberHatschi: Thanks <3
2255 [16:02:07] <Slimmy> AberHatschi: It just recovered!!! Thanks
2256 [16:02:13] <Slimmy> Thank you all guys for the support
2257 [16:02:14] <AberHatschi> ok
2258 [16:02:22] <Slimmy> Beers to everyone
2259 [16:02:28] <AberHatschi> it works ?
2260 [16:02:35] <AberHatschi> right way
2261 [16:02:36] <Slimmy> Yeap
2262 [16:02:40] <Slimmy> Buuut
2263 [16:02:40] <AberHatschi> cool
2264 [16:02:47] <Lirion> evcharisto :) right time for beer
2265 [16:02:57] <Slimmy> I still haven't solved my main issue. Upgrade the drivers xD
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2267 [16:03:02] <Slimmy> Lirion: hahahahah
2268 [16:03:03] <Angelicaa> AberHatschi: Would you happen to know anything about the grsecurity kernel?
2269 [16:03:23] <Lirion> jml2 mentioned backports. they'd give you at least said, what was it, 350 version?
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2271 [16:03:24] <AberHatschi> sorry
2272 [16:03:31] <jml2> Angelicaa, there's grsec merging into kernel 4.6...
2273 [16:03:36] <garn32> I've installed chromium and pepperflashplugin-nonfree on debian 8, restarted chromium but I'm not able to use flash
2274 [16:03:38] <AberHatschi> not for a desktop user i think
2275 [16:04:02] <Angelicaa> jml2: oh? When is this? :O I'm currently on 4.4bp
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2277 [16:04:23] <jml2> garn32, you need to edit something for chromium to use it -- i think /etc/default/chromium
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2280 [16:04:39] <han-solo> tech101 : turn it off and on again!
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2283 [16:05:57] <garn32> jml2: I don't see a /etc/default/chromium
2284 [16:06:30] <Slimmy> I will have to catch some sleep. See you guys thanks a lot
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2287 [16:07:03] <jml2> garn32, maybe they changed it ... but you can still be able to launch with pepperapi flash using command params
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2289 [16:07:34] <garn32> jml2: acutally is looks like /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so is missing
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2299 [16:09:47] <AberHatschi> everyone known this problem that system massages mute the audiostream in pulse ?
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2305 [16:11:24] <littlebit> hi people I have a CV860A pc like this one here replaced-url
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2314 [16:18:44] <jml2> littlebit, try this replaced-url
2315 [16:18:55] <Gaiseric> nikitis: Regarding your earlier vmware question, I'm pretty sure that the hypervisor doesn't "lock" anything regarding CPU access - it just sets an upper bound on how many chips or cores can be used by a guest. It's been years since I last used VMware, though... Nowadays I'm using Qemu/KVM and I can assure you that this is the case
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2318 [16:19:29] <Gaiseric> nikitis: Sorry if this has already been answered, I was away and I skipped a ton of text!
2319 [16:19:39] <littlebit> jml2: download the iso, burn it on a cd and boot from it. then what?
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2322 [16:20:18] <jml2> littlebit, much easier than chroot commands ;-)
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2324 [16:20:52] <ment0s> Hello. I have installed fresh jessie and upgraded to sid starting on netinstall. When I'm trying to get gnome it cries about dependecies as there is no libgtk-3-common_3.20.5-1 provided by debian however it is in dependecies resulting not being able to install gnome at all
2325 [16:20:54] <littlebit> jml2: it will do everything on it's won?
2326 [16:21:02] <ment0s> is there a workaround ?
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2328 [16:21:36] <littlebit> *own
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2333 [16:23:48] <jml2> !owned
2334 [16:23:48] <dpkg> OMG LOL WTF!!!! YOU GOT P0WNED!!!!!! (yes, you really sound that way)
2335 [16:23:51] <jml2> kewl
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2341 [16:28:29] <edoardo> !owned
2342 [16:28:29] <dpkg> OMG LOL WTF!!!! YOU GOT P0WNED!!!!!! (yes, you really sound that way)
2343 [16:28:39] <edoardo> What is this and why does dpkg have it
2344 [16:28:54] <jml2> edoardo, cuz
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2348 [16:30:59] <jakbeatz> Hello! I have an application that requires Kernel 3.13 for performance reasons. I installed Debian 8.4 and tried to downgrade the kernel to 3.13 but ran into a whole bunch of issues trying to install the image, headers and kbuild (which seemed non-existent). I decided to try and find a version that used 3.13 by default. I can't find anything s
2349 [16:30:59] <jakbeatz> pecific to 3.13 except wheezy backports, but I'm not very familiar with how any of that works. Does anyone know of a version that uses 3.13 that I can just go and install?
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2351 [16:31:57] <shadows> jakbeatz: not gonna work, I think
2352 [16:32:11] <shadows> jakbeatz: what application?
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2357 [16:34:16] <shadows> littlebit: hi
2358 [16:34:19] <jakbeatz> It's called MoonGen.
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2360 [16:34:58] <shadows> jakbeatz: DDoS tool?
2361 [16:34:59] <littlebit> shadows: hi
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2364 [16:35:14] <shadows> littlebit: does grub load you said?
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2368 [16:36:04] <jakbeatz> lol. I guess some could call it a ddos tool. I use it to test network equipment. I work for an ISP.
2369 [16:36:06] <shadows> littlebit: I'm guessing something went badly with the end of install
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2371 [16:36:30] <littlebit> shadows: kinda, the system restarts as soon as it tries to access grub. I don't see the grub boot menu. It is a very basic debian installation
2372 [16:36:45] <shadows> littlebit: oh maybe grub did not install correctly
2373 [16:36:47] <jml2> littlebit, try the link
2374 [16:36:51] <shadows> that can happen sometimes
2375 [16:36:58] <littlebit> I tried to install openbsd with no issues at all. It boots the system without those symptoms
2376 [16:37:06] <jml2> openbsd?
2377 [16:37:10] <jml2> littlebit, wrong channel
2378 [16:37:10] <shadows> littlebit: were you installing from USB medium?
2379 [16:37:12] <littlebit> yes
2380 [16:37:19] <shadows> jml2: hush
2381 [16:37:21] <littlebit> shadows: true
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2384 [16:37:46] <jakbeatz> The dev of MoonGen says that in kernel >= 3.14 DDIO might not be working with DPDK which could lead to performance issues (which I'm seeing). Their recommendation is to use <= 3.13
2385 [16:37:50] <shadows> littlebit: okay so sometimes the installer confuses the two scsi devices (usb scsi emulation, and I'm guessing SATA or some other harddisk)
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2388 [16:38:34] <shadows> jakbeatz: honestly I don't think there's a supported 3.13 kernel for Debian, would follow up with developer to get thing supported in newer kernel... it's the path of least trouble IMO
2389 [16:39:02] <littlebit> ok
2390 [16:39:07] <shadows> jakbeatz: you could dig up archives and just install an older Debian release but that's not something I know much about anymore
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2393 [16:39:35] <littlebit> shadows: so what do I do?
2394 [16:39:42] <jakbeatz> Thanks for the input, Shadow.
2395 [16:39:47] <jakbeatz> *s
2396 [16:40:12] <jml2> jackburton, 3.12 is in debian
2397 [16:40:21] <jml2> he left
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2399 [16:41:05] <shadows> littlebit: that's a great question. when it happens to me after an install, I need to get the computer up with a Linux kernel of some sort, mount the filesystems I'm interested in (root, /boot) and bind the /sys /proc /dev stuff, chroot into it, and install grub again
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2401 [16:41:30] <shadows> littlebit: there's better guides out there how to do those in more detail, but that's the overview
2402 [16:41:49] <jml2> as i told him, the link i gave is easier than chroot commands :)
2403 [16:41:57] <littlebit> shadows: do you have a link that you can recommend?
2404 [16:42:01] <shadows> littlebit: you should in theory be able to do this with the usb install medium that you have but that's expert level territory ;)
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2406 [16:42:37] <shadows> jml2: snark is usually unhelpful
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2408 [16:42:50] <shadows> no matter the accuracy of technical information
2409 [16:42:55] <_jamesl> How to disable dhcpd on Jessie? I ran "sudo update-rc.d -f dhcpcd remove" but at boot it still takes a long time for "a start job is running: enable dhcpcd on all interfaces" I don't need DHCP so how can I remove or disable this, so boot time is increased?
2410 [16:43:10] <shadows> littlebit: free to discuss in privmsg if you like :)
2411 [16:43:31] <jml2> shadows, no need to name call
2412 [16:43:53] <littlebit> shadows: for what should I google for?
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2414 [16:43:54] <jml2> shadows, it's not "theory", the debian installer offers quick chroots.
2415 [16:44:30] <jml2> so there's no need to mount --bind things
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2417 [16:45:22] <jml2> littlebit, i don't know why you're so stubborn. I gave a tool long ago to try.. it'll fix things (hopefully) but you have to try it
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2419 [16:45:39] <francium> When you install debian, there is an option called "Debian desktop environment" along with GOME, Xfce, KDE, etc... what is Debian Desktop Environment?
2420 [16:45:54] <jml2> francium, the default gnome
2421 [16:45:57] <littlebit> jml2: cool off
2422 [16:46:15] <francium> jml2: then why is there a gnome option too?
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2425 [16:46:28] <jml2> francium, i'm not sure if that still relates to gnome if you use debian's desktop spins
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2427 [16:46:54] <francium> jml2: I have regular debian installer
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2430 [16:47:05] <francium> Desktop desktop environment is selected, gnome isn't
2431 [16:47:08] <jml2> francium, probably for one of the gnome fallback 2D desktops
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2434 [16:47:25] <francium> okay, thanks jml2
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2440 [16:48:57] <shadows> francium: there are task-gnome-desktop and task-desktop (debian) packages
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2442 [16:49:05] <shadows> oh they left
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2469 [17:06:37] <garn32> jml2: turns out that the install is partially broken for pepperflash, had to manually pull down chrome and extract the libpepperflash.so
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2482 [17:15:31] <shadows> pepperflash install is hosed
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2484 [17:16:12] <shadows> not sure if there's anything to be done about it from Debian side of things
2485 [17:16:30] <shadows> upstream needs to update their signing keys
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2516 [17:31:04] <donald> do you know a command to list every manually installed pakage after the installation?
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2531 [17:35:40] <babilen> dpkg: aptitude clone
2532 [17:35:40] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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2534 [17:35:43] <babilen> donald: ^
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2538 [17:36:50] <donald> what babilen?
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2541 [17:37:20] <donald> what does dpkg aptitude clone?
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2544 [17:37:28] <donald> babilen?
2545 [17:37:50] <francium> I just setup an encrypted fresh install. What are the options when it comes to decrypting at boot? I know I can enter password, what other methods are there?
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2547 [17:38:31] <TomTomTosch> donald: it creates the file package_list with your manually installed packages and shows you how to use that file to install those packages on a different system. read again what the bot said.
2548 [17:38:55] <donald> tx
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2558 [17:42:59] <babilen> donald: You wanted a package list, the bot gave you a command to create it
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2563 [17:44:56] <donald> babilen: I do not need to clone debian. I want to list SOFTWARE (not pakage) installed AFTER installation
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2569 [17:46:24] <babilen> donald: That list contains all manually installed packages
2570 [17:46:30] <babilen> (regardless of time)
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2574 [17:46:58] <babilen> And how do you differentiate between "SOFTWARE" (all caps!!) and "pakage" ?
2575 [17:47:06] <donald> I want only the manually installed pakage AFTER THE INSTALLATION OF DEBIAN
2576 [17:47:20] <donald> a software is a set of pakage
2577 [17:47:21] <donald> s
2578 [17:47:25] <babilen> Create a list after the installatoin, compare to later list. Done.
2579 [17:47:28] <donald> pakage is a part of a software
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2585 [17:48:48] <TomTomTosch> donald: anything you didn't get through the package manager we can't help you with. babilen gave you the correct answer.
2586 [17:49:02] <donald> yes but it is not what I need
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2591 [17:49:29] <TomTomTosch> then you will have to explain yourself better.
2592 [17:49:37] <donald> right
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2599 [17:52:33] <donald> I do not remember what software I have downloaded and there are to many dependancies to list it manually. I need a list with a command that print every pakage I have installed with pip or apt-get
2600 [17:52:52] <babilen> ...
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2603 [17:53:46] <TomTomTosch> donald: ah, right. so this? aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v'
2604 [17:53:51] <hexnewbie> donald: What would you use this list for, where the list of manually installed packages won't help?
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2616 [17:58:51] <donald> hexnewbie I want to list the software installed intentionally after the installation with not any dependencies
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2618 [17:59:09] <hexnewbie> christinepea777: Console mencoder (not in jessie, IIRC) or mpv, avidemux, pitivi, kdenlive, blender. Ordered from light-weight to useful, though I haven't used pitivi ever, and avidemux is good but buggy and fussy.
2619 [17:59:22] <hexnewbie> donald: Yeah, but what for?
2620 [17:59:32] <donald> TomTomTosch: we approach I just do not want the dependencies anymore
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2622 [17:59:58] <hexnewbie> donald: You said you didn't need to clone (in which case the command given gives you exactly what you need)
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2627 [18:01:09] <donald> verify I have not installed proprietary soft
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2629 [18:01:24] <hexnewbie> donald: apt-get install rms
2630 [18:01:35] <SerajewelKS> i remember there being a way to associate a symlink with a particular package so that if that package is removed, the symlink goes with it. does that exist?
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2633 [18:01:47] <jelly> ,i vrms
2634 [18:01:47] <donald> there are too much dependencies to verify on per one
2635 [18:01:47] <judd> Package vrms (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: virtual Richard M. Stallman. Version: 1.16; Size: 12.7k; Installed: 100k; Homepage: replaced-url
2636 [18:02:07] <hexnewbie> donald: Er, yeah, what jelly says. It's vrms, not rms.
2637 [18:02:09] <donald> so I want to verify only the installed software
2638 [18:02:18] <SerajewelKS> in my case, liblua5.1-0 doesn't provide a symlink so that -llua5.1 will work
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2640 [18:02:34] <SerajewelKS> so i want to provide that symlink but have the symlink removed automatically if i remove the liblua5.1-0 package
2641 [18:02:56] <babilen> donald: Did you take a look at that list even?
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2643 [18:03:17] <donald> babilen: I am doing it
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2645 [18:03:30] <christinepea777> hexnewbie: okay, thank you
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2649 [18:05:11] <SerajewelKS> i don't think it was the alternatives system, but maybe it was
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2652 [18:07:23] <donald> I do not need it.
2653 [18:07:30] <donald> I just want to list the pakages
2654 [18:07:39] <donald> installed after the installation
2655 [18:07:42] <donald> intentionally
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2657 [18:08:02] <donald> and with not any dependencies
2658 [18:08:58] <babilen> As I said: Use the provided command to create a list after the installation. At some point in the future you can run the command again and diff the two lists.
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2660 [18:09:27] <babilen> Or dig yourself through /var/log/dpkg.* .. either way, I'm done with this
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2664 [18:10:43] <donald> babilen: I want a list with not any dependency
2665 [18:11:04] <babilen> You have it, but I'm done. Have a good day.
2666 [18:11:27] <donald> thank
2667 [18:11:33] <donald> have a good day
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2675 [18:15:17] <hexnewbie> donald: There are also the /var/log/apt/history.log* logs, which may or may not be complete.
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2680 [18:16:05] <hexnewbie> donald: Which doesn't change the fact that you probably want vrms, or the list generated from the aforementioned command.
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2684 [18:17:05] <donald> hexnewbie: we approach
2685 [18:17:26] <donald> the 3 first softwares are presents but I wabt every soft
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2690 [18:18:19] <donald> since the installation
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2694 [18:19:31] <hexnewbie> donald: The aptitude list contains them, admittedly with some padding. The history.log files contain only them, if they didn't get deleted in rotation. The dpkg.log files contain the dependencies too.
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2697 [18:20:18] <donald> how to get the aptitude list?
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2701 [18:20:40] <hexnewbie> donald: If you're checking for non-free software, you need to check dependencies as well, and vrms does that for you.
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2703 [18:20:55] <hexnewbie> donald: aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v'
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2705 [18:21:23] <donald> I do not want any dependency
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2707 [18:21:29] <afidegnum> hello, trying to install gevent on Debian wheezy, resulted in this error, can you please help ? here is the error, -> replaced-url
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2711 [18:23:08] <hexnewbie> donald: The list thus generated by aptitude doesn't contain dependencies.
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2714 [18:23:23] <babilen> (as we've been reiterating for quite some time now)
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2716 [18:23:35] <afidegnum> any insight ?
2717 [18:24:36] <donald> with aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' ?
2718 [18:25:51] <hexnewbie> afidegnum: Preferably use "apt-get install python-gevent", instead of installing software from outside sources that won't be handled by the package manager. You may use "apt-get build-dep python-gevent" to approximate the dependencies needed to build it, or "apt-get install build-essential" to get a compiler to work at least.
2719 [18:26:19] <afidegnum> i have python-gevent installed already
2720 [18:26:36] <babilen> And use pip
2721 [18:26:46] <afidegnum> pip is not installed
2722 [18:26:51] <babilen> And install in a virtualenv :)
2723 [18:27:01] <afidegnum> should i run apt-get install pip?
2724 [18:27:02] <babilen> afidegnum: I'm sure that you manage to install it
2725 [18:27:13] <babilen> But if you have python-gevent already, you have it, don't you?
2726 [18:27:31] <afidegnum> yes, i believe,
2727 [18:27:50] <babilen> So, why are you trying to install it twice?
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2734 [18:29:57] <afidegnum> no
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2738 [18:30:09] <afidegnum> i m trying to install ajenti on my system
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2741 [18:30:36] <prussian> I would avoid pip if possible.
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2743 [18:30:52] <prussian> not that it's bad it's just annoying to handle updating
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2745 [18:31:48] <babilen> prussian: pip actually support updating
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2747 [18:31:58] <prussian> yes.
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2751 [18:32:53] <somiaj> if debian doesn't provide the package you are stuck with updating it yourself anyways. Even if you use debian helper to make your own package isntaed of using pip
2752 [18:33:23] <prussian> which is why I say you should avoid it...
2753 [18:33:34] <prussian> unless you can
2754 [18:33:34] <prussian> t
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2757 [18:35:32] <babilen> prussian: In favour of what?
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2760 [18:36:52] <Matumaros> Hi everyone, I need some help with installing a driver for my ISY N300 Mini Wireless Adapter
2761 [18:37:07] <Matumaros> I googled and found some things, but nothing that really helps me
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2763 [18:37:27] <Matumaros> I don't have a internet connection on my other PC (on which I'm using the stick)
2764 [18:37:39] <Matumaros> how can I get those drivers without active internet connection?
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2766 [18:38:30] <somiaj> Matumaros: usb or pci card?
2767 [18:38:52] <Matumaros> it's a USB
2768 [18:39:07] <Matumaros> Do you need more information on it?
2769 [18:39:28] <somiaj> chipset would be nice, lsusb should list it
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2774 [18:41:42] <Matumaros> Bus 022 Device 005: ID 050d:21f2 Belkin Components RTS8192CU 802.11n WLAN Adapter [ISY IWL 4000]
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2776 [18:41:52] <Matumaros> is that what you need somiaj?
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2778 [18:42:48] <somiaj> hmm google isn't giving me much on that card
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2784 [18:43:23] <somiaj> Matumaros: dmesg | grep firmware (do you see an error about failing to load firmware)?
2785 [18:43:31] <Matumaros> hang on, I'll try
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2787 [18:44:06] <Matumaros> nothing
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2789 [18:45:35] <somiaj> Matumaros: I'm not getting any useful info from google for that chipset, are you sure it has linux drivers?
2790 [18:46:05] <Matumaros> somiaj: well, it was listed on this website: replaced-url
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2792 [18:46:34] <Matumaros> I'm not very experienced with Linux, so it just might be that there is none
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2794 [18:49:03] <somiaj> Matumaros: the webpage you linked lists an rtl8192cu chip, you have an rts8192cu
2795 [18:49:08] <babilen> I only see RTL devices listed there, not RTS
2796 [18:49:16] <somiaj> Matumaros: if it was the rtl, you should have had an error about firmware in dmesg
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2800 [18:49:56] <babilen> Looks dire
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2807 [18:52:12] <Matumaros> somiaj: oh sorry, that was a typo
2808 [18:52:16] <Matumaros> It is RTL
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2812 [18:52:51] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: Is rtl8192cu loaded, and do iw / iwconfig show anything about it?
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2816 [18:53:44] <Matumaros> somiaj: it says "command not found" for "iw" and "iwconfig"
2817 [18:54:06] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: "iw list" as root
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2821 [18:54:53] <Matumaros> works, but doesn't show anything
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2825 [18:55:15] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: lsmod | grep rtl8192cu
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2828 [18:56:21] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: doesn't show anything
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2830 [18:56:44] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: Try loading it with "modprobe rtl8192cu"
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2832 [18:57:21] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: doesn't show anything either
2833 [18:58:06] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: I happen to have a rtl8192cu USB adapter whose USB IDs didn't get recognised by older kernels, perhaps even those in Jessie (I don't recall). Maybe you'd need to upgrade the kernel, though I was able to force the driver to use the USB IDs of my card (not sure if that's safe)
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2835 [18:58:47] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: Does dmesg print out any errors during the loading of the driver? Is now loaded in lsmod? Does it now appear in iw list?
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2837 [18:59:37] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: I'm sorry, I'm pretty new to Linux, so most things you tell me I don't really understand
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2839 [18:59:49] <Matumaros> I downloaded the latest stable of Debian just today
2840 [18:59:55] <Matumaros> and installed it
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2844 [19:01:11] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: I am basically saying the driver may not know that's an rtl8192cu. You may force it to get used (which may be unsafe, though I've done so myself without worrying), or upgrade to a newer driver by getting linux-image-amd64 (or whatever your arch is) from jessie-backports.
2845 [19:01:12] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: oh wait, now it says that it registered a new interface driver rtl8192cu
2846 [19:01:18] <Matumaros> alongside a bunch of other stuff
2847 [19:01:26] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: Does it appear in "iw list"?
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2850 [19:02:03] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: no, that doesn't show anything, it was showing with dmesg print
2851 [19:02:19] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: So it may be like my case.
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2853 [19:02:51] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: what did you mean by being "not safe"? In what sense?
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2856 [19:03:36] <plasmoduck> Matumaros: your computer can over heat and catch on fire.
2857 [19:03:46] <Matt_von_Mises> Hi. On a server with Debian Jessie the processes ksoftirqd and rcu_sched are using up a lot of CPU. Could there be any particular reason for this? It occurs even when it is otherwise idle, though seems to worsen when running processes that increase CPU usage, and possibly IO usage as well due to running postgresql. If this is not Debian specific as such I can ask some place else.
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2859 [19:04:16] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: May crash your system (which is a precondition for data loss), or in case the card is not really rtl8192cu it may send a command to it that may do anything on it (say, delete its firmware or something). Latter is very unlikely,
2860 [19:04:22] <Matumaros> plasmoduck: wouldn't be the first time ;):)
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2864 [19:05:43] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: I see, well if the stick gets destroyed in the process, then that isn't such a big issue, I just don't want to lose data
2865 [19:05:51] <Matumaros> how likely is that?
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2867 [19:06:34] <Matumaros> I mean, I just don't know about all this stuff, I hope you can give me a bit of experienced advice :)
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2870 [19:06:59] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: That's the unsafe command: echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id
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2873 [19:07:38] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: That assumes there are no typos in the "050d:21f2" you pasted :)
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2875 [19:08:59] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: I'll pay more attention to that :) But still, how likely is it for a system crash? Also, would it be just a small crash here and there that may lead to data loss?
2876 [19:09:03] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: You may need to remove and add the card to get it recognised. f that works, you'd need to upgrade the kernel to avoid hacking it like that with every boot. If that doesn't work, you may crash; data loss is no more likely than during a power failure probably.
2877 [19:09:12] <Matumaros> and if it happens, can I reverse it somehow so it won't crash anymore?
2878 [19:09:48] <Matumaros> alright, I'll try
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2880 [19:10:10] <Quatroking> I have a couple of folders with videogame roms, some ending with (USA) and some with (Japan), how can I rename all the files ending with (Japan) to end with (JP) instead?
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2882 [19:10:21] <Quatroking> Talking about 100+ files per folder
2883 [19:10:44] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: You're telling a driver that doesn't recognise the Wi-Fi to recognise it. If it is indeed rtl8192cu, and behaves like one, there's no risk at all. If it is something else, or a very modified version, anything can happen (though, again I assume that's pretty unlikely, but there were some incidents with packet writing ten years ago :) )
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2894 [19:13:14] <Matt_von_Mises> I found a suspicious log entry: [sched_delayed] sched: RT throttling activated
2895 [19:13:14] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: it says "bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument"
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2897 [19:13:34] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: oh, it was because I used colon because of space
2898 [19:13:44] <Matumaros> *instead of
2899 [19:14:07] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: Now, does anything appear in iw list? If not, does it after plugging the card out and back in?
2900 [19:14:28] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: yes, now I get a wall of text
2901 [19:14:29] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: And if not, any error messages about firmware in dmesg now? :)
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2904 [19:15:26] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: OK, so now your card works (though firmware may still be missing even if iw list talks, IIRC). You may consider upgrading the kernel to make sure you don't have to do that every boot.
2905 [19:16:05] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: yes, there are two errors starting with "firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw" and one continues with "_TMSC.bin (-2)" and the other with ".bin (-2)"
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2908 [19:16:33] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: You need to install firmware-realtek for that
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2910 [19:16:46] <Matumaros> oh yes, now it shows network connections
2911 [19:16:53] <Matumaros> I'll get the password real quick and get back to you
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2915 [19:18:10] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: alright, connected to the internet, what do I do now?
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2920 [19:19:31] <Bae> hey im getting this error: E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
2921 [19:19:37] <Bae> during apt-get update
2922 [19:19:46] <Bae> should i change my sources list ?
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2925 [19:21:12] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: If you want a new kernel, see how to use jessie-backports here - replaced-url
2926 [19:21:54] <Bae> changed it and it worked.
2927 [19:21:54] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: Otherwise, you'd have to run those two commands (modprobe and the addition of the new_id) with every boot, which is annoying, but you can add the two lines to /etc/rc.local. It's an ugly hack.
2928 [19:21:59] <hexnewbie> Matumaros: I have to go now
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2934 [19:25:28] <Matumaros> hexnewbie: thanks a lot for your help
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2968 [19:40:10] <zykotick9> Bae: sidenote, i've run into issues with the nrc.ca mirror multiple times... i try to avoid it whenever possible. YMMV.
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2971 [19:40:53] <zykotick9> ^ which is unfortunate, as it's my closest mirror for sure.
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2973 [19:41:33] <Bae> yea zykotick9 i just changed my mirror to the example one on their site
2974 [19:41:40] <Bae> and it works
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2985 [19:47:29] <shadows> littlebit: get it figured out?
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2999 [19:51:23] <SagelessFox2> Installing fedora
3000 [19:51:31] <SagelessFox2> It was nasty
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3002 [19:52:14] <SagelessFox2> There are ads at the bottom of the installer
3003 [19:52:38] <SagelessFox2> It takes me 2 hours to install the basic system
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3005 [19:52:51] <SagelessFox2> And it's still working
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3007 [19:54:13] <babilen> SagelessFox2: Well, welcome to #debian ;)
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3009 [19:54:42] <SagelessFox2> lol
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3023 [20:01:09] <Matumaros> well, I just restarted and it doesn't recognize the driver
3024 [20:02:09] <Matumaros> when I do "modprobe rtl8192cu" then it says "modprobe: FATAL: Module rtl8192cu not found."
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3050 [20:16:30] <Matumaros> can somebody help me with the driver?
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3057 [20:19:49] <babilen> Matumaros: Did you install the backported kernel ?
3058 [20:21:12] <Matumaros> I think so, I did the steps on "Add backports to your source list" on replaced-url
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3062 [20:23:29] <TomTomTosch> uname -a will tell you. 3.16 is the stable kernel.
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3074 [20:26:26] <Matumaros> TomTomTosch: Linux debian 4.3.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.3.3-5 (2016-01-04)
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3084 [20:29:11] <TomTomTosch> so you installed that some time ago? 4.5 is the one in backports right now. maybe it's time to update your system.
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3089 [20:30:07] <doublehp> what are the alternatives to cpuburn, when package is not available ?
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3099 [20:31:30] <Mr_Queue> Swapped a mother board and now can't get on the network, where am I missing the MAC change? It is bridged, KVM host.
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3105 [20:32:27] <doublehp> Mr_Queue: even witha MAC change, you should move from eth0 to eth1, unles you messed up homemade scripts
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3107 [20:33:08] <Matumaros> TomTomTosch: How do I do that now? My I have no internet connection again and how hexnewbie showed me doesn't work anymore
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3116 [20:36:19] <peterrooney> Bae: I've sent an email to the nrc admins, asking them to either remove the login requirements or remove themselves from the offical mirrors list. Long weekend, not holding my breath.\
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3118 [20:37:04] <TomTomTosch> Matumaros: i didn't follow closely, sry.
3119 [20:37:18] <Bae> ah damn peterrooney didnt mean to cause an issue :)
3120 [20:37:19] <dutchfish> Matumaros, take a peak at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules that rule gets auto recreated on the netx boot if moved to another dir
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3122 [20:37:31] <dutchfish> s/netx/next
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3124 [20:37:57] <dutchfish> Matumaros, or edit the Mac inside
3125 [20:38:25] <Matumaros> TomTomTosch & dutchfish: OK, hang on a minute
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3132 [20:39:34] <Matumaros> dutchfish: there is nothing in there, might just be a new file too
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3134 [20:40:10] <Matumaros> dutchfish: file doesn't exist
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3137 [20:40:47] <dutchfish> Matumaros, normally it should contain something like; `SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:01:02:03:04:05", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"`
3138 [20:41:05] <Matumaros> TomTomTosch: we fixed it by running "modprobe rtl8192cu" and "echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id "
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3141 [20:41:23] <TomTomTosch> \o/
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3143 [20:43:02] <leetcool> or visit replaced-url
3144 [20:43:11] <leetcool> hi TomTomTosch
3145 [20:43:25] <babilen> dpkg: bpo kernel
3146 [20:43:26] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
3147 [20:43:29] <Matumaros> TomTomTosch & dutchfish: "modprobe rtl8192cu" returns "modprobe: FATAL: Module rtl8192cu not found
3148 [20:43:30] <babilen> Matumaros: ^^
3149 [20:44:06] <babilen> Follow the instructions dpkg just mentioned to install the backported kernel. You will *also* need to install firmware-realtek from backports, with "apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-realtek"
3150 [20:44:51] <babilen> So, you essentially want to configure backports (make sure your sources.list entry ends in "main config non-free"), run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get -t jessie-backports firmware-realtek limux-image-amd64"
3151 [20:45:08] <Matumaros> babilen: well, I have no internet connection right now, so I can't get it that way, right?
3152 [20:45:10] <babilen> Err ... "apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-realtek limux-image-amd64""
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3154 [20:45:37] <dutchfish> Matumaros, last thing is to trigger a recreate of that rule by `udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=net`
3155 [20:45:40] <Matumaros> babilen: I first need to make the driver work again
3156 [20:45:44] <babilen> Matumaros: Well, boot into the older kernel, run the "echo .... /sys/..." command again, install the firmware and upgrade your kernel and take it from there.
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3160 [20:46:19] <babilen> Matumaros: But then, if all you did was configure backports and if you haven't installed anything afterwards you are still using the same kernel you used before. So just run that command again.
3161 [20:47:19] <Matumaros> babilen: I thought I am in the old kernel, and running that echo stuff throws an error "bash: /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id: No such file or directory
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3163 [20:48:07] <babilen> I have no idea what you did, but you want to get back to the old state (maybe an older kernel?) and get internet up again.
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3165 [20:48:27] <babilen> If *all* you did in the interim was to edit your sources.list and reboot there shouldn't be a single difference.
3166 [20:48:29] <Matumaros> dutchfish: I did what you said, it didn't do anything
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3169 [20:49:03] <babilen> And all you told us "i restarted ... now problems"
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3171 [20:49:12] <Matumaros> babilen: well, I did all the things hexnewbie wa telling me to do
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3174 [20:49:52] <Matumaros> after that I installed Vivaldi browser, made a apt-get update a few times and tried to get the programmer dvorak keyboard to work, which was the reason of the restart
3175 [20:49:59] <Matumaros> (still doesn't work)
3176 [20:50:08] <babilen> Well .. that might have introduced *a lot* of changes
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3179 [20:50:27] <Mr_Queue> doublehp: ifconfig eth0 returns interface not found.
3180 [20:50:32] <babilen> And seem to be completely unrelated to your networking problem
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3182 [20:50:50] <doublehp> Mr_Queue: what does ifconfig alone say ?
3183 [20:50:56] <Mr_Queue> br0 and lo0
3184 [20:50:57] <doublehp> Mr_Queue: ifconfig -a
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3186 [20:51:19] <babilen> Matumaros: And the vivaldi browser doesn't even seem to be in Debian, so who knows what that pulled in. Where did you install it from?
3187 [20:51:28] <babilen> *sigh*
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3190 [20:51:44] <Matumaros> babilen: from their website
3191 [20:51:59] <Matumaros> I downloaded it and installed it manually
3192 [20:52:04] <Mr_Queue> doublehp: Progress, they've migrated to eth2 and eth3, but why and where is that stored?
3193 [20:52:06] <Matumaros> it worked perfectly
3194 [20:52:15] <dutchfish> Matumaros, what does `lspci | grep Ether` give as output?
3195 [20:52:46] <doublehp> Mr_Queue: it's stored at various places, depending on udev version; there are several tricks, depending on if you want to stop udev remembering MAC at all, or not
3196 [20:53:38] <Mr_Queue> doublehp: Ideally I'd like to wipe it, reboot it and have it come back on the network.
3197 [20:53:57] <Matumaros> dutchfish: 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04)
3198 [20:53:59] <doublehp> Mr_Queue: we all do that; but if mac changed, you may have a NIC inversion
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3200 [20:54:12] <doublehp> Mr_Queue: there are a small dozen of ways to fix this
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3206 [20:55:03] <newb000l> How to create a bootable iso for qemu from a disk image of a partition i have made with dd?
3207 [20:55:25] <babilen> Matumaros: Do you have ethernet or only wifi?
3208 [20:55:29] <Mr_Queue> doublehp: I've an idea. It just dawned on me from a chassis swap I did last week.
3209 [20:56:00] <Matumaros> babilen: only wifi over the stick
3210 [20:56:08] <babilen> Matumaros: And if I may give you one bit of advice: Always solve one thing first and do *not* change other seemingly unrelated things. It might be super hard now to go back to the state before with all those installations and keyboard changes and whatnot.
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3214 [20:56:50] <doublehp> Mr_Queue: your issue is in /etc/udev/rules ; but there are more than 10 ways to fix, depending on your taste, and the future of the machine
3215 [20:56:55] <Mr_Queue> doublehp: I'm still good an hungover, I didn't expect the MB from FedEx today. lol.. I just nuked /etc/udev/rules/70-something-network and rolled it.. I'm sure it will come up as I expect.
3216 [20:56:56] <Matumaros> babilen: Well, I thought that issue was removed
3217 [20:56:57] <babilen> Matumaros: What does "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'linux-image*" give you? Does it list only the 4.3 kernel?
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3219 [20:57:26] <doublehp> Mr_Queue: you could either remove the package handling the feature (not udev, but a sub component), or erase the cache file in /var that stores data, or ....
3220 [20:57:38] <babilen> Matumaros: No, the idea was that you install a new kernel and firmware and reboot to see if the module/device is being detected without you having to run that echo command. Why that doesn't work is beyond me now.
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3222 [20:57:43] <doublehp> Mr_Queue: or fix your brctl config
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3224 [20:58:10] <Mr_Queue> doublehp: It's up.. Love those SSD's.. :)
3225 [20:58:21] <Mr_Queue> Okay, nothing more to see here.. Time for bed.
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3230 [20:58:55] <babilen> Matumaros: So, are more than one kernel version listed?
3231 [20:59:09] <Matumaros> babilen: I will take a note for the future, there are two
3232 [20:59:17] <babilen> Which?
3233 [20:59:23] <babilen> 4.3 and?
3234 [20:59:36] <Matumaros> 4.3.3-5 and 4.3+70
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3236 [20:59:53] <babilen> Is this Debian?
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3238 [21:00:04] <Matumaros> babilen: it's extremely hard to type on a keyboard you are not used to, which is why I wanted to change it, and which is why it takes a bit longer for me to respond sometimes
3239 [21:00:13] <babilen> As in pure Debian? Did you remove the 3.16 kernel?
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3241 [21:00:32] <Matumaros> babilen: it doesn't say anything about Debian there
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3243 [21:00:44] <babilen> Matumaros: Sure, that is perfectly fine. It just makes it harder to figure out what changed.
3244 [21:00:56] <babilen> Matumaros: No, did you install Debian or some other distribution?
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3246 [21:01:12] <Matumaros> babilen: oh, no, Debian
3247 [21:01:14] <babilen> (and do you remember what happened to the 3.16 kernel?)
3248 [21:01:45] <Matumaros> babilen: what do you mean?
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3252 [21:02:05] <babilen> Debian jessie comes with a 3.16 kernel. As it isn't there anymore you must have removed it. Do you remember doing that?
3253 [21:02:17] <Matumaros> babilen: at least not manually, no
3254 [21:02:37] <Matumaros> babilen: I did not execute any remove commands
3255 [21:02:51] <babilen> Could you look into /var/log/apt/history.log* ?
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3257 [21:03:31] <Matumaros> babilen: what should I be looking for in particular?
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3259 [21:03:48] <babilen> But then .. could you just try to replug the stick, run the modprobe command again and then the echo?
3260 [21:04:04] <babilen> Matumaros: For hints as to what happend to the 3.16 kernel
3261 [21:04:07] <Matumaros> babilen: I'll try that
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3264 [21:04:30] <babilen> But my feeling is that the right course of action is to get you ethernet access and to take it from there.
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3266 [21:04:47] <babilen> I still have no idea where you got that 4.3 kernel from
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3268 [21:05:03] <Matumaros> Yeah, I will do that, but the thing is that we have to pull cables through the wall because my dog damaged the old ethernet cable
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3272 [21:05:27] <Matumaros> babilen: in the file there are a lot of apt-get -o
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3274 [21:05:35] <Matumaros> and at the botton one apt-get -f install
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3276 [21:05:59] <babilen> Okay, does it mention "linux-image-3.16" or something like that anywhere?
3277 [21:06:14] <Matumaros> babilen: somehow it doesn't recognize my mouse and keyboard anymore now...
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3279 [21:06:29] <babilen> heh, things are getting better by the minute :)
3280 [21:06:49] <Matumaros> yeah... :P
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3282 [21:06:57] <Matumaros> I think I need to restart
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3284 [21:07:21] <babilen> I think you might have to reinstall... given that this is a new install not much will be lost anyway
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3286 [21:07:33] <babilen> I still don't understand where you got 4.3 from today
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3293 [21:08:24] <Matumaros> babilen: yeah, one try and then I will reinstall
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3295 [21:09:28] <babilen> You did install that today, didn't you?
3296 [21:09:50] <Matumaros> yes
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3300 [21:10:20] <Matumaros> babilen: aw screw it, I'll just reinstall now and get back to you, thanks so much for now
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3303 [21:10:43] <babilen> Which image did you use for installing?
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3305 [21:11:10] <babilen> You really shouldn't have a 4.3 kernel
3306 [21:11:11] <SpeakerToMeat> Question, is there not a virtual package for a (basic) gnome desktop?
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3310 [21:11:25] <Matumaros> babilen: Debian stretch-DI-a5 amd64
3311 [21:11:33] <babilen> Oh god, nooooo
3312 [21:11:42] <babilen> Matumaros: Do not install stretch ..!
3313 [21:12:05] <babilen> jessie is the current stable release .. and the installation of stretch is not guaranteed to work at all
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3315 [21:12:11] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
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3317 [21:12:11] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
3318 [21:12:15] <babilen> Grab that ^^
3319 [21:12:30] <babilen> Well, at least that explains the kernel
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3322 [21:13:12] <Matumaros> babilen: replaced-url
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3325 [21:13:27] <babilen> stretch-DI-a5 is not stable
3326 [21:13:48] <babilen> Use the one from replaced-url
3327 [21:13:52] <babilen> (it comes with firmware)
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3329 [21:13:54] <Matumaros> babilen: hum, I don't know how I got that version then
3330 [21:14:03] <babilen> I can't tell you :)
3331 [21:15:27] <Matumaros> babilen: where do I need to go in that link to get a version for DVD?
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3333 [21:16:05] <SpeakerToMeat> Ok, it's not virtual... gnome-core
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3335 [21:16:52] <babilen> Matumaros: There is no DVD with firmware
3336 [21:17:00] <babilen> dpkg: installer firmware
3337 [21:17:00] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
3338 [21:17:52] <Matumaros> babilen: I don't understand, I only had 3 DVD's left (I would have tossed them in the trash otherwise)
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3340 [21:18:07] <babilen> Matumaros: You could grab the jessie DVD from the link you memtioned earlier, but the DVD is overkill as it will contain many packages you won't need. The installer on all images is the same and they just differs in package selection
3341 [21:18:19] <Matumaros> babilen: One I used on a netinstall, one on the stretch one and now I'm down to the last one
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3344 [21:19:13] <babilen> Well, it might be best for you if you were to download the jessie CD1 or DVD then, but that requires you to get firmware again
3345 [21:19:26] <Matumaros> I guess that's fine
3346 [21:19:38] <babilen> (which you can't if you are not online at all)
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3351 [21:20:17] <Matumaros> Well, I don't have DVD slot on my laptop (this one) and the other computer runs the stretch Debian :)
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3353 [21:20:28] <Matumaros> so I guess I'll have to ask somebody to burn it for me
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3355 [21:21:02] <Matumaros> babilen: thanks a lot for your help so far
3356 [21:22:13] <babilen> Don't you have a small USB stick?
3357 [21:22:28] <babilen> I haven't burned an image in years
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3359 [21:23:55] <Matumaros> babilen: well, I had these 3 DVD's to burn (literally :D) and also it always worked better with DVD's or CD's than with USB
3360 [21:24:28] <Matumaros> babilen: I have one USB that used to be 32 GB, but is now 300 MB (I have no idea how I managed to do that)
3361 [21:24:49] <babilen> Well, why don't you use the netinstall (assuming *that* is jessie and not stretch!), install Debian, sort out your wifi by upgrading the kernel and then taking it from there
3362 [21:24:53] <Matumaros> babilen: I also have some other ones which are probably too small (very old ones) and one for backup stuff
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3365 [21:25:31] <babilen> Ah .. but then .. this is all suboptimal. You really want proper internet when you install.
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3367 [21:25:39] <babilen> Preferably ethernet.
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3369 [21:25:59] <Matumaros> babilen: yeah, well, I'll continue tomorrow
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3371 [21:26:23] <Matumaros> babilen: Windows caused me way too much headache today already, trying to prevent me from installing Linux :P
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3378 [21:29:17] <SerajewelKS> maybe this is elementary, but how do i start a login session for a particular user if i have a root shell? 'su - username' doesn't actually create a "session" as far as systemd is concerned.
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3380 [21:29:22] <SerajewelKS> neither does 'login -f username'
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3383 [21:30:09] <SerajewelKS> i'm looking for an alternative to rebooting after doing 'loginctl enable-linger username' -- all the guides i've read say to reboot, which is ridiculous for a linux system to have to reboot for a config change like this
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3395 [21:35:52] <Gaiseric> SerajewelKS: If you are in single-user mode, you can't (you probably already knew this though)
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3397 [21:36:13] <babilen> Matumaros: All the best!
3398 [21:36:34] <Matumaros> balbian: thanks :)
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3416 [21:44:20] <SerajewelKS> Gaiseric: i have a root shell over an ssh session
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3418 [21:44:45] <SerajewelKS> Gaiseric: obviously somehow sshd can create a login session -- you would think root could do so for another user without too much trouble?
3419 [21:44:49] <jinglebus> hey everyone, does anyone here own a chromebook? I want to install Debian on it and I want to make sure I have enough space
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3427 [21:48:01] <teraflops> You can install debian in a 8gb SD card. You're fine
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3430 [21:49:01] <jinglebus> teraflops and if I just plug in the card I get debian on the 'book?
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3432 [21:49:30] <jinglebus> I'm just wondering how I have only 8.9 gigs on my chromebook even though I just rebooted it, esc+refresh + power
3433 [21:49:40] <jinglebus> with no files or anything left
3434 [21:50:16] <teraflops> For the chromebook (there are many models) go look for a good guide
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3440 [21:51:30] <jinglebus> teraflops I did - and I'm still not able to figure out how I have over 7 gigabytes virtually 'missing', so to speak
3441 [21:51:39] <jinglebus> barely any extensions
3442 [21:51:45] <jinglebus> no files stored
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3444 [21:52:03] <jinglebus> heck even if the system needs some files I don't get how it can account for 7 gigabytes worth of it
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3465 [22:02:27] <wittyname> when ever i try to run a exe program it won't work
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3467 [22:02:46] <Zharf> uhhuh?
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3470 [22:03:00] <grantwu> Is there an easy way of wiping all packages and returning to out of box state?
3471 [22:03:08] <dTal> wittyname: you need WINE.
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3473 [22:03:10] <wittyname> is my debian broken?
3474 [22:03:32] <SerajewelKS> !ops wittyname obvious troll is obvious
3475 [22:03:32] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: serajewelks complains about: wittyname obvious troll is obvious
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3477 [22:04:12] <SerajewelKS> that was easy
3478 [22:04:14] <grantwu> Like, can I just run debootstrap on / on a running system
3479 [22:04:25] <SerajewelKS> grantwu: no
3480 [22:04:27] <jelly> good job, SerajewelKS
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3482 [22:04:29] <dTal> I'm too good natured.
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3484 [22:05:03] <grantwu> SerajewelKS: Hrm... can I run it on some other directory, then copy everything over?
3485 [22:05:06] <dTal> It was more blatant after "is my debian broken" though
3486 [22:05:15] <SerajewelKS> grantwu: "out of box" state is a bit misleading since there is no one such state
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3489 [22:05:39] <SerajewelKS> grantwu: depending on your tasksel selections in the installer for example you wind up with a different set of packages
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3491 [22:05:57] <grantwu> SerajewelKS: Well, the only thing I want to change is like, the packages. I selected the standard system utilities and the SSH server things
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3493 [22:06:18] <grantwu> I presumbe I could run tasksel again afterwards
3494 [22:06:33] <SerajewelKS> grantwu: TBH the easiest way to do what you are asking is just to reinstall
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3496 [22:06:49] <grantwu> Fair point, but I don't have physical access to this box....
3497 [22:07:01] <somiaj> grantwu: Not sure if there is a tool for this, but you can use aptitude to find all installed packages that are optional or extra (which is most of the packages) and remove or purge them.
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3500 [22:07:23] <SerajewelKS> that or look in your dpkg.log to see what has been done since install
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3504 [22:08:57] <grantwu> Hrm... really what I want to do is fix some breakages caused by pulling in a package from testing
3505 [22:09:14] <SerajewelKS> ugh, #systemd is dead
3506 [22:10:17] <SerajewelKS> surely there is another way to start a user's systemd instance than rebooting after loginctl enable-linger
3507 [22:10:32] <somiaj> grantwu: you can use aptitude search to figure out what packages you have installed are from the version in testing and not the version in stable
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3513 [22:11:52] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: #systemd has over 600 users.
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3517 [22:14:12] <grantwu> somiaj: Okay, I'm not sure what exactly I did in aptitude, but I think I no longer have broken packages...
3518 [22:14:25] <markybob> !tell grantwu about which repo
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3521 [22:15:03] <grantwu> However, dkms is still broken in some way
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3524 [22:15:44] <grantwu> And I'm still getting "Unescaped left brace in regex is deprecated, passed through in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/^(.*?)(\\)?\${ <-- HERE ([^{}]+)}(.*)$/ at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 72."
3525 [22:15:56] <petn-randall> !downgrade
3526 [22:15:56] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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3533 [22:17:49] <babilen> grantwu: Could you make sure that you have only proper jessie entries your sources list and then run
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3535 [22:17:52] <babilen> dpkg: not available
3536 [22:17:52] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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3538 [22:18:06] <babilen> That should list all packages that aren't from any configured repo
3539 [22:18:25] <grantwu> Wait, sorry, I still have testing packages
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3593 [22:42:36] <zZap-X> is there a way to install a newer version of iceweasel / firefox on debian?
3594 [22:43:16] <markybob> zZap-X: go to mozilla.debian.net and follow the instructions
3595 [22:43:30] <zZap-X> aye up thanks
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3684 [23:28:06] <jordila> hi #debian community
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3688 [23:30:08] <jordila> i've just 'apt-get --purge remove phpmyadmin' and then... 'apt-get install phpmyadmin' , getting 'E: Package 'phpmyadmin' has no installation candidate ' .. .what am i missing ?
3689 [23:30:23] <somiaj> ,phpmyadmin
3690 [23:30:28] <somiaj> ,v phpmyadmin
3691 [23:30:29] <judd> Package: phpmyadmin on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 4:3.3.7-7; squeeze: 4:3.3.7-7; squeeze-security-lts: 4:3.3.7-11; wheezy-security: 4:3.4.11.1-2+deb7u2; wheezy: 4:3.4.11.1-2+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 4:3.4.11.1-2+deb7u3; jessie-security: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u1; jessie: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u1; sid: 4:4.6.1-1; stretch: 4:4.6.1-1
3692 [23:30:57] <somiaj> jordila: sounds like your sources are not correct, what is the output of 'apt-cache policy', you can put the output at paste.debian.net
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3696 [23:32:44] <jordila> somiaj: replaced-url
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3702 [23:34:15] <somiaj> jordila: you have some strange pinning going on. Why do you have the main jessie mirros pinned at -10, while jessie-backports is pinned at 100?
3703 [23:34:34] <somiaj> jordila: now give the output of 'apt-cache policy phpmyadmin'
3704 [23:35:03] <jordila> somiaj: im getting proxied debian packages at gandi.net
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3706 [23:36:01] <jordila> replaced-url
3707 [23:36:32] <somiaj> jordila: you can see the problem there, you ahve the mirrors pinned at -10 so they are not going to be used by default thus that is why apt won't install the package
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3713 [23:37:50] <jordila> mm.. somiaj , i've never pinned a package before
3714 [23:38:01] <jordila> .. previously, i mean
3715 [23:38:12] <somiaj> the whole repo is pinned, this is something in the way the sources.list and your apt config on that system is configured
3716 [23:38:30] <jordila> ok.. i'll show sources.list
3717 [23:38:37] <somiaj> it could have been how you inheriated the vps, and it was configured that way by the person who set it up
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3719 [23:38:52] <somiaj> either way that is your problem, maybe adding a -t jessie would work, 'apt-get install -t jessie phpmyadmin'
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3722 [23:39:06] <somiaj> though it seems to be a very strange configuration in my limited experience (I'm just a desktop hobiest)
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3725 [23:40:16] <jordila> somiaj , i set it up myself
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3727 [23:40:36] <somiaj> well something you did pinned the main repos including security at -10
3728 [23:40:38] <jordila> it was a Debian 7 , then upgrade to JEssie beginning this year
3729 [23:40:41] <somiaj> which is probabaly not what you wnt.
3730 [23:40:48] <jordila> sure somiaj
3731 [23:40:51] <jordila> how to undo ?
3732 [23:41:12] <jordila> let's try the -t ...
3733 [23:41:15] <somiaj> so were you mixing wheezy and jessie packages? I could see maybe having that pinning due to that, but even then it is usually a very bad idea to mix debian releases (even if you are using pinning)
3734 [23:41:27] <somiaj> modify the apt config that set up the pinning, it is somewhere in /etc/apt
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3737 [23:41:53] <jordila> i don't think i mixed packages ... consciousnesly
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3741 [23:43:25] <somiaj> jordila: check /etc/apt/preferences.d and /etc/apt/preferences do you have any files there? if so look in them, that is where pinning woudl be configured
3742 [23:44:08] <jordila> somiaj .. the 'apt-get install -t jessie phpmyadmin' seems to work
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3746 [23:44:31] <somiaj> of coures, because that pinns jessie at 990, now go fix your preferences so you have the standard repos pinned at 500
3747 [23:44:41] <jordila> though ... i'm about to start worrying about this strange pinning status
3748 [23:45:09] <jordila> let's try your suggestion...
3749 [23:45:15] <jordila> again
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3754 [23:46:49] <somiaj> jordila: I would worry, and fix it. That pinning is preventing security updates from isntalling
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3756 [23:47:47] <Guest23523> How do you install nvidia drivers instead of free drivers
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3758 [23:48:01] <somiaj> Guest23523: Just want to double check, what nvidia card you have?
3759 [23:48:13] <Guest23523> gtx 960
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3761 [23:48:27] <somiaj> Guest23523: will this be on debian jessie? Trying to think if the drivers in jessie are new enough
3762 [23:48:32] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
3763 [23:48:33] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 352.79-7; stretch/non-free: 352.79-7; experimental/non-free: 355.11-2
3764 [23:49:04] <somiaj> Guest23523: do you know how to install packages from jessie-backports?
3765 [23:49:05] <Guest23523> im using debian
3766 [23:49:06] <Guest23523> 8
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3769 [23:49:57] <Guest23523> most of the time i install nvidia drivers from bash file
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3771 [23:50:12] <somiaj> Guest23523: you don't want to do that in debian, I will point you in the right direction but first
3772 [23:50:33] <somiaj> Guest23523: do you have jessie-backports soruces configured on your system (your card is too new for the driver in jessie, so we'll use the one from jessie-backports)
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3778 [23:53:20] <Guest23523> I have the nvidia respo added
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3782 [23:58:00] <somiaj> Guest23523: nvidia repo?
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3784 [23:58:18] <somiaj> Guest23523: I don't think you are listening to me. I asked a very specific question. Do you have the repos for jessie-backports (not nvidia) enabled.
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3788 [23:58:33] <somiaj> once we get jessie-backports enabled, we'll then install the drivers
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