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4 [00:01:29] <tharkun> cluelessperson: Just for the sake of clarification. How do you connect now a days to those 10,000 hosts?
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7 [00:01:54] <cplemaster> Hi all, quick question, I would assume someone here has a home file server running Debian?
8 [00:02:16] <tharkun> Yes.
9 [00:02:35] <cplemaster> Just NFS or Samba, doesn't matter. I am curious as to how you personally placed your file server's directories
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15 [00:03:19] <tripout> hmm, have a bad wifi signal with my notebook. just 45-55% and don't recieve any data. but at the same distance, my smartphone is recieving data from the web via wifi. really curious. so i've set up phone as repeater via tethering.
16 [00:03:26] <cplemaster> I am moving to a proper x86 server, coming from an ARM board, and so my OS and file server directories will be on the same drive, so there is no longer an entire partition dedicated to file storage, so I am unsure of where I actually want to put the directory
17 [00:03:40] <cplemaster> Probably irrational but I am uneasy about simply placing it in a home directory
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20 [00:04:33] <cplemaster> Do you think /media/(files) would be a decent place? Again I guess I am just concerned if this is bad practice to do so
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25 [00:05:52] <cplemaster> or maybe possibly in a /mnt/ folder
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29 [00:07:13] <NoCode> How do I move a hidden file?
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32 [00:07:20] <NoCode> Files with .whatever
33 [00:07:23] <tharkun> cplemaster: personal taste. whatever lets you sleep at night.
34 [00:07:28] <cplemaster> rm -rf .(file)
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36 [00:07:39] <tharkun> NoCode: mv .file
37 [00:07:43] <frostschutz> NoCode, mv .whatever where/ever?
38 [00:07:45] <cplemaster> oh MOVE
39 [00:07:47] <cplemaster> im sorry
40 [00:07:50] <cplemaster> i read that as "remove"
41 [00:07:52] <cplemaster> D:
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43 [00:08:00] <telecity> D:
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45 [00:08:06] <tharkun> NoCode man mv
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49 [00:08:46] <frostschutz> there is nothing special about hidden files, not showing files that start with . is just a convention
50 [00:08:47] <TomTomTosch> NoCode: most file explorers let you see hidden files if you press ctrl + H
51 [00:08:52] <tharkun> NoCode: and as a rule of thumb do not apply any command on your cli unless you understand what it will do. Take all irc advice with a grain of salt
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54 [00:09:33] <telecity> pebcak
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63 [00:14:06] <NoCode> Thanks. Now it seems if I ls -al there is still 8 files. :|
64 [00:14:24] <NoCode> total 8
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66 [00:15:10] <TomTomTosch> if ls -a doesn't show your hidden file then it's not in the directory you are in.
67 [00:15:52] <cluelessperson> tharkun, Password, one single common
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69 [00:16:22] <NoCode> TomTomTosch, ls -a doesn't show anything no.
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71 [00:16:39] <tharkun> cluelessperson: How did you set that up?
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80 [00:19:07] <TomTomTosch> NoCode: then you are in the wrong directory.
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90 [00:22:46] <cluelessperson> tharkun, I didn't, I just work here
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126 [00:34:42] <tharkun> cluelessperson: Asking how it was originally set up can give you a hint on why people are so reluctant to the idea of public/private key pairs.
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131 [00:35:44] <tharkun> As babilen allready suggested there are lots of good stuff that can make the administration of that many servers a breeze, plus you can allow granular access to users to the appropiate servers.
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136 [00:37:01] <tharkun> Remember, keys are not certificates and it is the responsability of each user to guard it. Revoking a single key can be programatically done.
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140 [00:38:14] <tharkun> 10000 hosts with a single password. That is just an insane amount of risk.
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153 [00:43:56] <sleepy__> how can I stream photos from one computer to another? like, for example, drag and drop into chrome using cast, and display them in another chrome browser?
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164 [00:48:07] <unborn> sleepy__: I dont think so you can.. there is some intel technology build in - in all models which came out after 2011 I think but that is something completely different and possibly does not meet your needs. you can use chromecast with your monitor or with your tv
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166 [00:49:19] <unborn> sleepy__: if you want you can read about intels sharing screen here: replaced-url
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176 [00:54:23] <sleepy__> I dont get why is is so difficult to find
177 [00:54:29] <sleepy__> just simple streaming
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202 [01:02:30] <branau> Hi everyone. I'm currently installing Debian on my laptop to replace Windows. The touchpad wasn't working in the graphical installer so I'm giving the text installer a shot. Anyone else run into this kind of issue before?
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205 [01:03:55] <vook> yeah, I've had that happen. the TUI install is better anyway in my opinion.
206 [01:04:09] <vook> You probably could've gotten by in the GUI by using tab
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214 [01:06:27] <axc1298> i usually use a usb mouse
215 [01:06:29] <branau> Yeah, I started to go through it with tab but I got nervous that the touchpad wouldn't work once I had completed the installation
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218 [01:06:54] <jaggz> seriously, someone help me.. I can't create an activity
219 [01:06:59] <jaggz> in kde4 debian jessie
220 [01:07:12] <jaggz> #kde's been unresponsive [in the past when I've asked]..
221 [01:07:40] <jaggz> when I click activities, I see my current Main one, but clicking to create a new one, either blank desktop or from template, .. does nothing at all.
222 [01:07:51] <jaggz> except the menu going away when I click
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225 [01:08:59] <axc1298> you should see a new activity tab in some corner of your desktop
226 [01:09:42] <axc1298> you are probably in the new activity but you just think it's your desktop because you haven't customized it at all.
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235 [01:13:32] <jaggz> axc1298, thanks for responding. But when I make a new activity, shouldn't I see it in the activities list? Main is the only one listed there still
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238 [01:14:32] <axc1298> jaggz: when you right click on the desktop and choose activities, there should be an option on the far right of the little panel that opens which says "create activity"
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240 [01:14:43] <axc1298> when you create one, it will be listed alongside "Desktop"
241 [01:14:46] <axc1298> in that same panel
242 [01:15:27] <jaggz> right.. but nothing happens
243 [01:15:33] <jaggz> and nothing new is shown
244 [01:15:45] <axc1298> you don't see "New Activity"?
245 [01:15:50] <jaggz> nope
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247 [01:16:39] <jaggz> I click my Activity (3 colored dots) -- which pulls up the activity toolbar thingy, which shows the "Main" one (with the Delete trashcan)..
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249 [01:17:00] <jaggz> and the +Create activity button (menu).. but none of its options make a new activity
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251 [01:17:50] <axc1298> i don't see any main one with a trashcan, just "New Activity" and "Desktop" and then the create activity button on the far right
252 [01:17:56] <axc1298> you sure it's plasma 4?
253 [01:18:08] <jaggz> replaced-url
254 [01:18:12] <jaggz> probably this.. let's see
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256 [01:19:56] <jaggz> I wonder if I should manually install libkactivities-bin, or something else that'll reach it as a dependency
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259 [01:20:56] <jaggz> nothing else seems to depend on it (except its -dbg and -dev).. weird
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262 [01:22:42] <jaggz> axc1298, weird.. okay.. so I installed it then manually ran kactivitymanagerd in a shell .. now it works
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266 [01:23:59] <axc1298> jaggz: cool
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351 [02:12:49] <chomwitt> hi
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354 [02:13:15] <chomwitt> is there a reason why on a debian 8 vps a yaws server couldt open a port like 8080 ?
355 [02:13:41] <chomwitt> i mean i've stopped apache to avoid any conflicts but still no ligth
356 [02:14:59] <internat> have you checked if something else is listening on that port?
357 [02:15:28] <internat> netstat -anlp | grep -i 8080
358 [02:15:37] <cplemaster> might be another service using that port
359 [02:15:50] <cplemaster> plenty of stuff out there that is configured for 8080
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361 [02:16:54] <ryouma> i am glad that sysvinit debian kernels are still installed in grub by default. otherwise i would still be trying to get into my computer since yesterday. all of hte other kernels including rescue kernles failed to boot, possibly because they could not mount an inessential partition, and seemingly had no option to continue without mounting it. not sure why.
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364 [02:17:44] <cplemaster> no problems here on backported 4.5
365 [02:18:28] <cplemaster> but our configuration might be much different
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378 [02:24:48] <chomwitt> internat: thanks
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396 [02:29:03] <miesco> I believe debian now makes it so the same tty that starts X is now used for the X session. Correct?
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402 [02:31:16] <internat> np chomwitt: was there something else running?
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411 [02:36:41] <Slimmy> Hello guys. Is there any way to enable monitor mode in my wireless card with wired connection working in the same time?
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413 [02:37:27] <ryouma> miesco: seems that way. i wish it were the old way, so that i could ^C to kill x or something like that
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415 [02:37:45] <ryouma> miesco: personal experience, not knowledge of policy
416 [02:37:47] <miesco> ryouma: Is it more safer this way?
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419 [02:38:03] <ryouma> miesco: maybe they think people will run startx without exec or something. dunno.
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427 [02:40:49] <ryouma> is there a way to make it so that if you're booting, and it can't mount something, it just skips it instead of trying forever? like an fstab option or something?
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429 [02:41:16] <ryouma> by "soemthing" i mean anything in fstab -- home, swap, whatever
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431 [02:41:40] <internat> isnt that one of the numbers at the end
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434 [02:42:11] <internat> no wait, i fail
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437 [02:42:56] <ryouma> internat: i checked, and apparently not
438 [02:43:23] <ryouma> although perhaps i could use a mount option, but i don't know if that's the right way
439 [02:43:38] <ryouma> otherwise wouldn't everybody do that?
440 [02:44:09] <jcowgill> ryouma: the nofail option might help
441 [02:44:27] <ryouma> jcowgill: but wouldn't everybody be doing that for everythign except root?
442 [02:44:58] <ryouma> i note that under sysvinit, it fails nicely
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447 [02:46:49] <jcowgill> i think that's just how systemd interprets the fstab
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449 [02:47:03] <jcowgill> it just assumes all mounts are essential unless you say otherwise
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454 [02:48:06] <ryouma> jcowgill: can i tell it not to? i was unable to get into my computer yesterday! i had NO idea how to get back in and finally only squeaked back in using a sysvinit kernel.
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460 [02:49:07] <ryouma> is there a ^Z/^C type thing i can press, for example?
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462 [02:49:29] <ryouma> or (better) a configuration option that tells systemd not to do that
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466 [02:52:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> the kernel option init=/bin/bash should still work?
467 [02:52:31] <jcowgill> using nofail is the only way i know of to allow the system to boot with a failed mount
468 [02:52:49] <jcowgill> you should be able to get to an emergency shell if you pass '1' on the kernel command line
469 [02:53:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> if that's true, that's not a good behavior change
470 [02:54:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's ok to hang for a while... but...
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484 [02:58:18] <LinuxGuy2020> I know that after a release is finished that you only get security updates and not new packages, but what about backported packages? Do they get added or updated as time goes on for a specific release?
485 [02:58:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, installers and everything will just have to use nofail on everything, I guess
486 [02:59:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> LinuxGuy2020, what do you mean
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488 [02:59:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> I mean... as you start out with 0 backports, obviously they get added over time?
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491 [03:03:02] <LinuxGuy2020> CutMeOwnThroat: Right now lets say there are 100 backported packages for jessie. Is there any chance other packages will get backported or is that it?
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494 [03:05:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> there can be new ones and there can be new versions of the ones that are there afaik
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497 [03:06:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> replaced-url
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499 [03:06:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> packages can be included into backports if they offer new features... and of course if someone is willing to take care of the package
500 [03:07:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> and seems then, they are in principle supposed to track testing
501 [03:07:23] <LinuxGuy2020> CutMeOwnThroat: So the short answer. Yes.
502 [03:07:44] <LinuxGuy2020> They can be added
503 [03:08:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah... but as I said... as all backports come in "some time later" after release... that's obvious?
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505 [03:08:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> if you start out with 0 packages and it's a fixed-length list.. how can there be packages
506 [03:08:59] <LinuxGuy2020> CutMeOwnThroat: Screw it lets just say you dont know and move on.
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509 [03:09:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> what?
510 [03:09:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> I know. You should also know
511 [03:09:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> I'm not saying I don't know, I'm saying it's fucking obvious
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516 [03:11:10] <LinuxGuy2020> CutMeOwnThroat: Forget it dude. People here tend to over think things. Then debates and flame wars start.
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519 [03:12:57] <bazhang> LinuxGuy2020, they get added if new stuff
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523 [03:13:18] <bazhang> LinuxGuy2020, whats so hard to understand about that
524 [03:13:29] <sje46> Phate: did you used to go by "Phated"?
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526 [03:13:42] <LinuxGuy2020> bazhang: There we go, nice short answer by someone who knows. Thank you.
527 [03:13:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> wtf
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529 [03:14:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> I am so sorry my long sentences confused you.
530 [03:14:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> oops. correction: sorry long confuse.
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536 [03:16:27] <LinuxGuy2020> CutMeOwnThroat: The part where you said....thats obvious.....I couldnt tell if you were being sarcastic or what. Sometimes poeple come here and ask questions and get ridiculed for it.
537 [03:16:58] <LinuxGuy2020> CutMeOwnThroat: Sorry if I took you the wrong way Im tired.
538 [03:17:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> who isnt
539 [03:17:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> I heard rumors though, that sleep helps... maybe I should pay them some heed
540 [03:17:44] <bazhang> nah
541 [03:17:54] <LinuxGuy2020> Sleep is for pussies.
542 [03:18:12] <bazhang> lies put out by the anti coffee industry
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621 [04:12:46] <awwal> Impossible to avoid a dependency without recompiling, eh? (task-xfce-desktop / lightdm)
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623 [04:14:59] <dondelelcaro> awwal: you can use equivs if you want
624 [04:15:08] <dondelelcaro> !equivs
625 [04:15:08] <dpkg> equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
626 [04:16:35] <awwal> dondelelcaro, ok, good. will look at that; never heard about . thanks
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633 [04:20:20] <themill> awwal: but also, there is no need to use task-xfce-desktop; the package has zero functionality itself
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635 [04:20:41] <dondelelcaro> yep; just install the dependences that you want
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644 [04:26:18] <awwal> themill, yeah, at first I installed task-xfce-desktop and all deps/recommneds but I dont like lightdm (I use startx), so I uninstalled that task. My question was almost for have an idea for future installs
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650 [04:30:30] <themill> you can convince aptitude to do that for you with a little magic... aptitude install -s task-xfce-desktop lightdm- task-xfce-desktop-
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653 [04:31:03] <themill> (that's either the most awesome feature in aptitude or a subtle bug)
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658 [04:34:00] <awwal> themill, interesting, seems to do the job in a clean/easy/fast way
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667 [04:39:04] <awwal> themill, I guess - at the end means minus/remove if I'm not wrong. not sure where I have seen that in apt or aptitude manuals/docs and I don't find it right now. in which aptitude section is it?
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683 [04:52:12] <themill> awwal: yes, - means remove
684 [04:52:14] <themill> !aptitude ops
685 [04:52:14] <dpkg> Aptitude can perform different operations from the one command line: "aptitude install foo bar_" purges bar and installs foo. This is handy for dealing with broken packages. Other postfix operators include: + install, - remove, _ purge, = hold, : temp hold, &M markauto, &m unmarkauto, +M install and markauto. man aptitude for more details. These can also be used as a prefix operator at the [Y/n/q/?] resolver prompt.
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688 [04:52:44] <themill> recent apt-get can also accept some of those
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694 [04:54:38] <awwal> themill, ok, thanks.
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697 [04:57:58] <awwal> Later I will try same command in my VM (also task-lxde-desktop + lightdm) and see if its "the most awesome and magic aptitude feature or a subtle bug" :):)
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704 [05:00:30] <ext4_recovery> hello
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712 [05:01:05] <ext4_recovery> i have 2 paritions on this computer 500gb hdd 360gb is for the ext4 and 140 for the ntfs
713 [05:01:18] <ext4_recovery> im currently using the ntfs one with windows 10 on it
714 [05:01:30] <ext4_recovery> the ext4 partition had debian 6/7 on it
715 [05:01:43] <ext4_recovery> i formated it not knowing it had something i needed
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717 [05:02:34] <ext4_recovery> and installed debian 8
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719 [05:03:00] <ext4_recovery> now im using testdisk on windows and its recovering the whole ext4 partition
720 [05:03:10] <ext4_recovery> i only need one 256byte file
721 [05:03:21] <ext4_recovery> problem is the files its recovering are named f0270344.elf
722 [05:03:25] <ext4_recovery> and i cant find my file
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724 [05:04:49] <ext4_recovery> any help
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730 [05:09:04] <awwal> my experience is that testdisk doesn't recover 100%. testdisk have always recovered around 70/90% here. I dont now about any software that can recover the whole disk/partition . some contents get corrupted or definitely erased when formated, ext4_recovery
731 [05:09:29] <ext4_recovery> awwal: i just need this small file
732 [05:09:44] <ext4_recovery> i even know whats it called
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734 [05:10:22] <awwal> nsa and similar organizations will be crazily happy if a software that recover at 100% exists
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739 [05:12:41] <ext4_recovery> awaxa: can you recommend a software that can find a file given its file name
740 [05:12:59] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: find . -name foo
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743 [05:13:28] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: if you're running the cron jobs for findutils then locate foo
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746 [05:14:35] <ext4_recovery> rjsalts: is photorec the same program as testdisk?
747 [05:14:49] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: oh, that probably won't help if you've just formatted the drive
748 [05:15:12] <ext4_recovery> rjsalts: what do you mean
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750 [05:15:38] <ext4_recovery> yes the files are gone
751 [05:15:46] <ext4_recovery> thing is how do i get them back get it back
752 [05:16:12] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: you've deleted the partition and started overwriting it?
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754 [05:16:29] <ext4_recovery> rjsalts: yes
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756 [05:16:52] <ext4_recovery> but as far as i know i still have high chances of recovering the file
757 [05:16:56] <ext4_recovery> its a 256byte file
758 [05:17:04] <ext4_recovery> and i know its name
759 [05:17:05] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: meaning the metadata for the filesystem is gone, right?
760 [05:17:22] <ext4_recovery> yes i formated debian 7 and installed debian 8
761 [05:17:29] <ext4_recovery> on the same ext4 partition
762 [05:17:58] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: I very much doubt you'll be able to recover it
763 [05:18:14] <ext4_recovery> rjsalts: why so
764 [05:18:14] <awwal> ext4_recovery, photorec is an utility included in testdisk
765 [05:18:26] <ext4_recovery> right so i made a mistake
766 [05:18:38] <ext4_recovery> ill stop it and use testdisk instead
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768 [05:19:02] <ext4_recovery> it showed the partition as RO read only
769 [05:19:18] <ext4_recovery> so it couldnt have overwritten anything
770 [05:19:48] <ext4_recovery> most that has been overwritten is 30gb of 360 which is the fresh debian 8 install
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772 [05:20:01] <ext4_recovery> i still have about 90% chances of finding it
773 [05:20:03] <ext4_recovery> right?
774 [05:20:29] <ext4_recovery> it couldnt have overwritten on that particular file
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777 [05:21:14] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: because you've already overwritten the partition table, and you've probably destroyed the metadata
778 [05:21:40] <ext4_recovery> rjsalts: what partition table
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780 [05:21:53] <ext4_recovery> what do you mean by partition table
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783 [05:22:22] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: didn't you say you deleted the whole filesystem and replaced it with a newly installed copy of debian?
784 [05:22:29] <ext4_recovery> yes
785 [05:22:53] <ext4_recovery> but for the file to be deleted it must have been overwritten by something
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788 [05:23:10] <ext4_recovery> it dont se how a 1min format can overwrite 30gb of data
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790 [05:23:19] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: sorry, I didn't mean partition table. I meant you've destroyed the filesystem metadata. and that definitely would have been overwritten
791 [05:23:46] <ext4_recovery> out of all the blocks on that partition
792 [05:24:02] <ext4_recovery> it had overwritten my file?
793 [05:24:07] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: so the filename to inode mappings are gone
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795 [05:24:19] <ext4_recovery> but the data is still there
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797 [05:24:39] <ext4_recovery> surely i can recover it
798 [05:24:40] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: sure, but you can't search for it any other way but the content
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801 [05:25:03] <ext4_recovery> all i know is the name of the file type of the file and size of the file
802 [05:25:10] <ext4_recovery> is it possible to find the file
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805 [05:25:46] <ext4_recovery> surely by its size?
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813 [05:31:41] <ext4_recovery> rjsalts: the content is random i think
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815 [05:32:02] <ext4_recovery> its not readable by a text editor
816 [05:32:16] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: you've most likely overwritten the data on how big a file was in the old filesystem. Assuming you weren't unlucky and a bit of your new install overwrote that data you still don't know the size of the file independently of the metadata
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818 [05:32:25] <ext4_recovery> so it must be binary, for each machine psuedounique
819 [05:32:53] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: what was the file? an encryption key?
820 [05:33:17] <ext4_recovery> rjsalts: the infamus wallet.dat
821 [05:33:46] <ext4_recovery> yes its an encryption key
822 [05:34:23] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: replaced-url
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825 [05:34:41] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: but given it's the same filesystem type I'm not sure it will help
826 [05:34:57] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: otherwise replaced-url
827 [05:35:29] <ext4_recovery> rjsalts: its not a bitcoinwallet
828 [05:35:32] <ext4_recovery> ethereum
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831 [05:35:53] <ext4_recovery> im doomed if the first one doesnt work
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834 [05:36:36] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: find out if ethereum wallets have some magic
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837 [05:37:35] <ext4_recovery> will do thanks
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841 [05:39:19] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: although it looks like bitcoin wallet.dat is berkely DB, so that's the magic they're suggesting looking for (i.e. a bdb file). If ethereum is using ddb too then it wouldn't matter that it's different than bitcoin for the purpose of locating the wallet
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844 [05:39:58] <rjsalts> ext4_recovery: and of course you could always create a new ethereum wallet and see if it has the magic in a hex editor
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935 [06:32:30] <warsoul> anybody available?
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937 [06:35:58] <kreiben1_> here
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939 [06:36:11] <kreiben1_> whatcha need warsoul?
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941 [06:36:39] <kreiben1_> was just contemplating going to bed
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964 [06:55:50] <stoned> Hi I'm using zfs on debian and I have to always zfs mounts zpool/media (my zpool/volume) and I want to make it auto mount on system startup but I can't seem to find a way to add that to fstab
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966 [06:56:21] <stoned> replaced-url
967 [06:56:38] <stoned> I don't find much documentation on debian/zfs
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990 [07:09:36] <aedinius> Looking at powertop, it shows that my wired network is drawing power despite not in use or even configured. Any ideas how to shut it down?
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993 [07:11:33] <jml2> oO
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995 [07:12:51] <aedinius> Yeah. Powertop is showing it draw 2W
996 [07:13:16] <jml2> lol
997 [07:13:32] <aedinius> I use it so rarely, I could disable it in the BIOS...
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1018 [07:29:45] <aedinius> well, looking at some internet stuff, I'm still in the expected zone; "General consensus in here is that 8W is already good for an X220/X230 when you're actually doing something with it (moderate I/O, wifi active, 3/4 backlight on the IPS display)."
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1105 [08:22:23] <pce> Hi, I have problems with Lenovo and the auto x Server configuration
1106 [08:22:53] <vvande> ok, let me guess what it is. brb
1107 [08:23:02] <daily> Hi there pce, it would be really helpful if you gave info on what your issue is.
1108 [08:23:17] <daily> So things like Debian version, what you've already attempted, etc.
1109 [08:23:18] <Lady_Aleena> pce, it might be better to tell everyone what exactly those problems are and what you've done to try to solve the problem yourself.
1110 [08:23:58] <pce> daily OK i
1111 [08:24:13] <pce> will send a mail
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1121 [08:26:00] <daily> ..
1122 [08:26:05] <daily> Okay!
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1160 [08:28:34] <ocb> hello
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1163 [08:28:41] <ocb> I can't manage to find changelog for package 5.5.49-0+deb7u1
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1166 [08:28:51] <ocb> It's missing from the server
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1171 [08:29:15] <mosh> Install OpenBSD
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1178 [08:29:55] <themill> ocb: some context would be helpful
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1182 [08:30:12] <ocb> themill; I'm trying to see changelog for this package; replaced-url
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1184 [08:30:15] <daily> ocb: what package is that exactly? You only gave the version number..
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1186 [08:30:18] <ocb> but the file is missing
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1188 [08:31:03] <themill> replaced-url
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1191 [08:31:39] <themill> nope, wrong version
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1194 [08:31:55] <themill> changelogs for security uploads are elsewhere
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1198 [08:32:18] <ocb> oh... sorry I'm not very familiar with debian, I am more into rhel :) I'll just keep looking
1199 [08:32:21] <themill> replaced-url
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1201 [08:32:33] <ocb> oh
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1206 [08:32:57] <ocb> thank you themill
1207 [08:33:01] <themill> (wheezy LTS is not maintained by the security team so things are not in their normal places for several reasons)
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1210 [08:33:26] <ocb> kudos for you, helped
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1213 [08:33:36] <ocb> :-)
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1215 [08:33:52] <themill> !apt-listchanges
1216 [08:33:52] <dpkg> apt-listchanges is a tool that displays NEWS.Debian file contents (default) and/or the changelogs of Debian packages before upgrading them (dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges). It is recommended for users of stable to install the apt-listchanges package, to see what is happening to their systems as security fixes are applied; it should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listbugs>.
1217 [08:34:19] <themill> that will download the .deb, find the changelog and then show it to you
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1221 [08:35:58] <ocb> thanks, I just wanted to check if CVE-2005-0004 was fixed in the version
1222 [08:36:06] <themill> !tracker of doom
1223 [08:36:06] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
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1226 [08:37:08] <themill> 2005? mysql-5.5 didn't even exist back then
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1229 [08:38:38] <ocb> yeah, checking just in case because I had it reported by a tool
1230 [08:39:20] <ocb> and some stuff was modified in 20156
1231 [08:39:23] <ocb> 2015 *
1232 [08:39:23] <themill> replaced-url
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1241 [08:41:31] <ocb> false positive
1242 [08:41:45] <ocb> I don't know how it got that... but ok
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1244 [08:42:07] <jml2> ocb, maybe you want mariadb
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1247 [08:43:14] <ocb> jml2: I'll do more checks just in case, thanks for thinking
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1314 [09:08:52] <floogy> Where stores sogo the ldap credentials? After changing the active directory domain from mydom.local to my.local and reflect this changing in sogo.conf I receive despite of the changed sogo.conf in sogo.log a message with the old settings [ERROR] <0x0xb8326560[LDAPSource]> <NSException: 0xb8064038> NAME:LDAPException REASON:operation bind failed: Can't contact LDAP server (0xFFFFFFFF) INFO:{"error_code"
1315 [09:08:52] <floogy> = "-1"; login = "cn=Administrator,cn=users,dc=mydom,dc=local"; }
1316 [09:09:23] <floogy> And therfor I'm not able to login.
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1318 [09:10:25] <floogy> Also the LDAP server changed from 192.168.70.5 to 192.168.70.200
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1320 [09:10:33] <aedinius> NSException? GNUstep?
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1322 [09:10:53] <floogy> Yes sogo works with GNUstep afair
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1333 [09:13:53] <floogy> replaced-url
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1337 [09:16:13] <floogy> Now I'm grepping -i -r 'mydom' / , biut that takes ages, of course.
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1340 [09:16:40] <floogy> in /etc I can no longer find mydom
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1342 [09:17:17] <floogy> Maybe something in /var/lib, or in the mysql sogo database.
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1433 [09:58:38] <guardian> hello, wheezy has ruby 2.1 which reached EOL. Is there a way to keep using wheezy and have ruby 2.2 or more?
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1442 [10:04:18] <nkuttler> ,v ruby2.2
1443 [10:04:19] <judd> No package named 'ruby2.2' was found in amd64.
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1445 [10:04:44] <nkuttler> ,v ruby
1446 [10:04:45] <judd> Package: ruby on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.5; wheezy: 1:1.9.3; jessie: 1:2.1.5+deb8u2; stretch: 1:2.3.0+4; sid: 1:2.3.0+4
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1482 [10:29:37] <sumi> hello
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1487 [10:33:33] <Walex> guardian: the BrightBox PPA have 2.1
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1492 [10:35:21] <floogy> aedinius, thx, it seems to be in the /home/sogo/GNUstep/Defaults/.GNUstepDefaults replaced-url
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1512 [10:44:23] <here_and_there> hello
1513 [10:45:09] <here_and_there> what is the 'debianic' way to choose a kernel for stretch/sid
1514 [10:45:21] <here_and_there> I have 4.1 and 3.16 currently installed
1515 [10:45:43] <here_and_there> 4.1 is the default one, I would like to remove it or put default to 3.16
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1527 [10:47:52] <nikitis> I need a good guide on installing debian with a software raid. No spare /boot drive.
1528 [10:48:25] <nikitis> i've read a ton on it, and nothing works
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1530 [10:48:39] <nikitis> i've got the lvm's created
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1532 [10:48:47] <qmr> ? That would be the default with sw raid
1533 [10:48:50] <nikitis> but i cannot get grub-install to work
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1536 [10:49:20] <qmr> LVM and sw RAID are two totally different packages and issues
1537 [10:49:27] <vegardx> You can boot a mdadm raid 1 directly from grub2 though.
1538 [10:49:29] <nikitis> i created a software raid, then created a VG, then 3 volumes. a vg1-root vg1-home and vg1-swap
1539 [10:49:41] <nikitis> i'm doing raid 0
1540 [10:50:06] <qmr> where is /boot ? in / ?
1541 [10:50:08] <vegardx> "good idea" "raid 0"
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1543 [10:50:35] <qmr> I assume he's done homework on RAID levels. I used to run RAID0 for my desktop years ago
1544 [10:50:41] <nikitis> qmr i attempted the dmraid=true method, but debian on rescue disk doesn't detect /dev/dm-0
1545 [10:50:47] <nikitis> yes
1546 [10:50:49] <nikitis> i like stripped
1547 [10:50:52] <nikitis> brand new SSD's
1548 [10:50:59] <nikitis> i'm fine with the risk
1549 [10:51:06] <qmr> Let's not get into a bikeshedding pissing match about hur dur RAID level 237 is better
1550 [10:51:17] <nikitis> please no.
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1552 [10:51:33] <uniTosch> The debian Installer walks you through creating Software RAID.
1553 [10:51:43] <qmr> nikitis: you are complicating things by 1) booting from sw raid 2) booting from lvm. make a separate partition for /boot of ext2
1554 [10:51:56] <qmr> 64M if you are exceptionally tidy, 128M if you are not. boot from that
1555 [10:51:57] <nikitis> i lose too much of the drives
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1557 [10:52:08] <qmr> and yes, the installer will do this for you
1558 [10:52:13] <qmr> ...............
1559 [10:52:26] <qmr> if you don't have 64M of free disk space, go pull a computer out of a dumpster
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1561 [10:52:34] <nikitis> is it not possible to boot from the raid?
1562 [10:52:41] <qmr> it is possible. I do not recommend it
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1566 [10:53:09] <qmr> well, raid is OK. I would just do separate partition. I definitely wouldn't do lvm on top of sw raid
1567 [10:53:09] <petn-randall> here_and_there: 4.1 is quite old for stretch/sid, 4.5 is current. You just install that kernel, reboot into it, and then remove any kernels you don't want.
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1569 [10:53:21] <vegardx> I don't think it's possible to boot a raid 0 directly, as you don't know where your bits are.
1570 [10:53:25] <petn-randall> here_and_there: You're installing the linux-image-* packages from the main repositories, right?
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1572 [10:53:39] <nikitis> qmr i don't like the idea of doing 128 MB's from one drive, cause then both will ose 128 MB's
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1574 [10:53:52] <petn-randall> nikitis: 128 MB out of how many?
1575 [10:53:54] <nikitis> when you do raid 0, it detracts to smallest size
1576 [10:54:25] <nikitis> then i have wasted space
1577 [10:54:26] <nikitis> 2
1578 [10:54:26] <qmr> nikitis: again if you can't handle losing the equivalent of 5 high resolution photos of disk space, you have a different problem
1579 [10:54:53] <qmr> you are worrying about a triviality. stop it or do it on your own time and without bugging me. no reason to worry about that small a space being "lost"
1580 [10:55:13] <nikitis> ok fine
1581 [10:55:30] <bas3kg> Hi people. Is there a better way remove a program with all it's dependencies? I know about apt purge xxx, apt-get autoremove, but it's not enough. If I install something that has a bunch of dependencies and I run the previous commands, some of the dependencies won't get removed since they are probably recommended deps for other software I currently have installed.
1582 [10:55:33] <uniTosch> It's literally millions of bytes :p
1583 [10:55:43] <qmr> LITERALLY
1584 [10:55:48] <nikitis> do I need to even introduce lvm at all or just do configure software raid?
1585 [10:55:51] <vegardx> Make a small raid1 for /boot and boot that directly, then you still can access your system, even if you've lost all your important data.
1586 [10:55:56] <petn-randall> nikitis: You need to partition the disks, anyway, and with EFI you also need a EFI system partition, so you're loosing a little space, anyway.
1587 [10:55:59] <vegardx> LVM is always nice to have.
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1589 [10:56:22] <qmr> bas3kg: apt is always going to default to being conservative. it's not 100% sure you don't need those extra programs or libs
1590 [10:56:23] <petn-randall> nikitis: If you really care about it, add a 3rd storage, make that the /boot, and make the two disks a full RAID0.
1591 [10:56:40] <nikitis> I'm not adding a 3rd
1592 [10:56:54] <petn-randall> nikitis: Then the course of action should be clear.
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1595 [10:57:32] <here_and_there> petn-randall: yep, I isntalled the linux-image-amd64 package which it seems was a meta-package for 4.5
1596 [10:57:33] <vegardx> The nice thing about mdadm is that you can make arrays out of partitions.
1597 [10:57:57] <here_and_there> petn-randall: I've just wiped both packages and am currently rebooting, but normally it should boot on 3.16
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1599 [10:58:08] <bas3kg> qmr: well, do you know any alternative? Maybe some tweaks or maybe aptitude?
1600 [10:58:32] <qmr> what error are you getting from grub-install? where are you trying to install to?
1601 [10:58:33] <petn-randall> here_and_there: Why do you want to install or boot 3.16? it's not part of stretch/sid.
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1603 [10:58:36] <here_and_there> petn-randall: I have some problems with kernel version mismatch between nfs server and client and this is why I downgrade to 3.16
1604 [10:58:49] <qmr> You need to give grub-install a physical disk -- /dev/mapper/mycoolraid0
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1606 [10:59:07] <qmr> bas3kg: not off the top of my head, and I don't see a reason to waste cycles on it. storage is cheap
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1608 [10:59:14] <here_and_there> petn-randall: server is still on wheezy and clients are on stretch/sid
1609 [10:59:15] <petn-randall> here_and_there: Sounds like you have larger problems. Are you running a full stretch installation? Or is it a mix of jessie and stretch?
1610 [10:59:31] <petn-randall> here_and_there: Ah, ok.
1611 [10:59:38] <qmr> I have at least 50 TB of spinny disks
1612 [11:00:05] <petn-randall> Oh, this is a e-peen contest now?
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1614 [11:00:18] <petn-randall> ;)
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1616 [11:00:39] <here_and_there> petn-randall: to be honest I'm not quite sure which is the exact distribution I'm running
1617 [11:00:46] <qmr> saw some 2 TB for $33 or something yesterday. cheap as chips
1618 [11:00:49] <here_and_there> petn-randall: /etc/debian_version says stretch/sid
1619 [11:01:18] <vegardx> qmr: MTBF on some of those cheap ass disks are awful though
1620 [11:01:24] <here_and_there> petn-randall: /etc/apt/sources.list has lines for testing and jessie-updates
1621 [11:01:24] <petn-randall> here_and_there: Can you put the output of 'apt-cache policy' to replaced-url
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1623 [11:03:16] <qmr> nikitis: just noticed your question at 4:55. NO, you do not need to use LVM. I think the installer defaults to encouraging you to use LVM in several different spots
1624 [11:03:24] <qmr> not sure, I haven't manually installed for a long time
1625 [11:03:30] <qmr> nikitis: what error do you get when you run grub-install?
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1627 [11:03:33] <here_and_there> petn-randall: sure thing
1628 [11:03:37] <here_and_there> petn-randall: replaced-url
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1630 [11:04:27] <nikitis> qmr: it fails during installer and states I need to continue on and install grub on /dev/dm-0
1631 [11:04:39] <nikitis> however when i go to rescue mode it doesn't detect /dev/dm-0
1632 [11:04:48] <nikitis> the guide i was using stated it should
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1634 [11:05:07] <here_and_there> petn-randall: of what I see it seems that it is a mixed one, is that so?
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1636 [11:06:03] <petn-randall> here_and_there: Ah, you've got a mix of stable and testing, which isn't that good. I recommend removing all instances of jessie in your sources.list, and then fully upgrading to testing (apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade).
1637 [11:06:17] <nikitis> i'm using UEFI boot method so I need a /boot/efi partition right?
1638 [11:06:25] <petn-randall> nikitis: yes
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1640 [11:06:38] <nikitis> there's no mount point for /boot/efi, so do it manually?
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1642 [11:07:11] <petn-randall> nikitis: You need to have a seperate partition that is marked as EFI System Partition (ESP). That's a requirement from your BIOS.
1643 [11:07:25] <here_and_there> petn-randall: what are the main problems with mixed environment (if you have a documentation, or official recommendations I will gladly read them)
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1645 [11:07:35] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
1646 [11:07:36] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
1647 [11:08:18] <nikitis> petn-randall: so I have a partion listed as > #1 62.9MB B f ESP
1648 [11:08:28] <here_and_there> petn-randall: My main issue is that the environment is a bit heterogenous and I'm not sure whether going straigth strech wont introduce too much version disparities between my machines.
1649 [11:09:02] <petn-randall> here_and_there: ^^^ the main problem is that you'll have a mix between to releases that is very unique, and you might end up with problems that only you can reproduce, and those problems won't be fixed by Debian, since this isn't something you should be doing. :)
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1651 [11:10:00] <nikitis> petn-randall: if I do the EFI partition, do I need another seperate /boot/efi partition?
1652 [11:10:33] <petn-randall> nikitis: No, that is your /boot/efi. It needs to be mounted when grub-install runs, so it can drop files there accordingly.
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1657 [11:11:02] <nikitis> So i just created that 62.9MB ESP partition, the rest can be raid
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1659 [11:11:04] <here_and_there> petn-randall: I see
1660 [11:11:07] <stisvry> hi
1661 [11:11:24] <petn-randall> nikitis: In the installer you should mark it as EFI system partition, then it will get formatted accordingly (VFAT, IIRC), so the EFI BIOS finds the data to boot.
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1663 [11:12:25] <vegardx> Relevant to what we're talking about: replaced-url
1664 [11:12:34] <petn-randall> nikitis: One more pitfall is that you *must* have secure boot deactivated. Also make sure that no compat mode is enabled in the EFI BIOS settings, as it might boot the install media in legacy BIOS mode (making it impossible to access the EFI system partition), and boot the actuall installation in EFI mode.
1665 [11:12:34] <nikitis> how do I know it's marked?
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1667 [11:13:10] <nikitis> petn-randall: i set to UEFImode only and option to UEFI mode only
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1669 [11:13:52] <petn-randall> nikitis: In the partition menu of the installer there is an option for 'use as:', the selection should be called EFI System Partition, or /boot/efi/, or something (it's been a while for me, sorry).
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1674 [11:16:01] <nikitis> petn-randall: i just have an Boot Option Filter - UEFI Only, and Launch Storage OpROM Policy - UEFI Only
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1676 [11:16:11] <nikitis> petn-randall: i don't think i have a secure boot option
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1678 [11:16:43] <nikitis> petn-randall: ok i have use as: EFI System Partition
1679 [11:17:05] <here_and_there> petn-randall: thank you very much for the hints. I need to explore some more the question...
1680 [11:17:05] <petn-randall> nikitis: That should do it.
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1684 [11:17:59] <nikitis> petn-randall: i see why lvm is used because you can only do one partition on the Raid 0 device
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1686 [11:18:32] <petn-randall> here_and_there: Ok. Remember though that we don't support "Frankendebian" installations. And support for stretch/sid is in #debian-net on irc.oftc.net.
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1689 [11:19:24] <petn-randall> nikitis: You could have n RAID0 disks instead. But LVM is just so much more better at the cost of minimal overhead, so I use it everywhere.
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1702 [11:24:32] <nikitis> it takes a computer science degree to partition these things correctly
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1704 [11:25:23] <petn-randall> nikitis: I don't agree, but then again I've been doing this for a while now :)
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1706 [11:25:48] <nikitis> to the common man, it's understanding that it's all layered
1707 [11:25:53] <nikitis> you have the block device
1708 [11:26:04] <nikitis> which then is wrapped by raid
1709 [11:26:11] <nikitis> which is then wrapped by lvm
1710 [11:26:32] <nikitis> which is wrapped by VG's, then Volumes
1711 [11:26:39] <nikitis> so much nesting to get the result
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1717 [11:31:08] <petn-randall> Yeah, not quite. There's only PVs/VGs/LVs, LVM is what the whole construct is called.
1718 [11:31:22] <petn-randall> I've got a LUKS in between there, too. :)
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1724 [11:33:57] <jelly> VGs are also a construct :-)
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1730 [11:36:56] <petn-randall> jelly: point is that PV/VG/LV are pieces that are part of LVM, LVM being the whole overarching "thing".
1731 [11:37:08] <jelly> subsystem?
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1734 [11:38:13] <nikitis> petn-randall: up and running. thanks
1735 [11:38:31] <petn-randall> nikitis: You're welcome, glad the installation worked out.
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1737 [11:39:33] <nikitis> i had done it on arch before, so the partitioning seemed different. The most confusing part was how to mark EFI
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1742 [11:43:28] <p0tty> hi
1743 [11:43:37] <here_and_there> petn-randall: ok, i'll keep that in a corner of my mind :-)
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1746 [11:44:40] <z3r0d4y> hi
1747 [11:44:43] <z3r0d4y> i need hel
1748 [11:44:45] <z3r0d4y> p
1749 [11:44:55] <petn-randall> !ask
1750 [11:44:56] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1751 [11:45:18] <z3r0d4y> !ask
1752 [11:45:18] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1757 [11:47:18] <petn-randall> z3r0d4y: If you have a question, feel free to ask.
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1761 [11:48:02] <z3r0d4y> how i find defualte package install in kali linux
1762 [11:48:02] <z3r0d4y> how i find defualte package install in kali linux
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1773 [11:55:42] <halt> Hi all, I have an issue with systemd "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1" it's a brand new fresh install ( official debian ami ami-3a13ac49) can someone point me to the right direction ? in the bugtracker I did not find this issue yet
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1821 [12:27:36] <x-fak> hi
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1823 [12:28:17] <x-fak> if i comment a line with "#" into /etc/apt/source.list, it wont be interpreted? (without rebooting)
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1829 [12:30:29] <Voyager82> x-fak, I think you have to go "apt-get update", do make the modification in "sources.list" count.
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1836 [12:32:37] <x-fak> Voyager82 , ok
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1910 [13:02:13] <ubu> hello people
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1912 [13:02:44] <ubu> just installed debian, i cannot watch youtube? why? is this normal? did i install it incorectly?
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1918 [13:04:37] <aswin> ubu install non-free flashplugin
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1921 [13:04:59] <TomTomTosch> you don't need flash to watch most youtube videos.
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1923 [13:05:32] <TomTomTosch> ubu: what browser do you use and how does "cannot watch" look? any output?
1924 [13:05:55] <ubu> TomTomTosch: i am using the default browser, iceweasel
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1928 [13:06:12] <snipe> huhu xD
1929 [13:06:32] <TomTomTosch> ubu: you can get a more current firefox here: replaced-url
1930 [13:06:36] <snipe> guys i just installed debian along side with win 10, happens that i am not able to boot to linux, why ?
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1932 [13:06:43] <TomTomTosch> ubu: maybe it will work better using that.
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1934 [13:07:17] <ubu> TomTomTosch: thank i will try that
1935 [13:07:47] <snipe> Guys is Windows 10 incompatible ? with debian :|
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1939 [13:08:28] <telecity> snipe: do you know what your bootloader?
1940 [13:08:34] <x-fak> i got my kern.log into /var/log that is filling really fast, is it normal?
1941 [13:08:45] <snipe> telecity, grub-2
1942 [13:08:47] <telecity> snipe: is*
1943 [13:09:07] <telecity> snipe: do you get any prompts from it?
1944 [13:09:09] <snipe> how do i enter my new system ?
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1946 [13:09:15] <snipe> no i dont telecity :(
1947 [13:09:23] <telecity> snipe: you first installed linux, then win10?
1948 [13:09:35] <telecity> snipe: you sure win10 didn't overwrite your bootloader
1949 [13:09:36] <snipe> win10 the last to install linux
1950 [13:09:46] <snipe> i 1st install win10
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1956 [13:11:15] <telecity> snipe: 1 storage disk?
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1962 [13:13:23] <telecity> snipe: UEFI/GPT?
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1964 [13:14:38] <snipe> gpt
1965 [13:14:40] <snipe> telecity,
1966 [13:14:59] <telecity> snipe: but one storage disk, right?
1967 [13:15:04] <snipe> How to at least boot to the system ?
1968 [13:15:18] <snipe> yes storage disc 2.5 drive
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1971 [13:16:06] <telecity> snipe: you followed some guide?
1972 [13:16:13] <snipe> from debian yes
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1974 [13:16:32] <telecity> snipe: and now, after you reboot, it autoboots into win10, correct?
1975 [13:16:44] <snipe> yes
1976 [13:16:46] <snipe> :|
1977 [13:16:53] <telecity> snipe: link to the guide
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1980 [13:17:24] <snipe> sec
1981 [13:17:43] <snipe> i brb
1982 [13:17:47] <snipe> i might know what i missed
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2047 [13:36:26] <wrksx> that's weird, tail –f some.log says cannot open -f file not found
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2049 [13:36:42] <themill> wrksx: your - is not a -
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2052 [13:37:02] <wrksx> themill, fuck I copy pasted that shit from some word doc
2053 [13:37:08] <themill> :)
2054 [13:37:12] <wrksx> themill, thanks man
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2056 [13:37:18] <themill> np
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2192 [14:49:17] <bsdnoob> hello
2193 [14:49:25] <bsdnoob> apt-get is not working with proxy
2194 [14:49:30] <bsdnoob> I am getting bad gateway
2195 [14:49:32] <bsdnoob> help
2196 [14:49:33] <bsdnoob> ?
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2201 [14:50:07] <jelly> bsdnoob: it ought to work well with almost all kinds of http proxies
2202 [14:50:21] <bsdnoob> jelly, I am getting 502 bad gateway
2203 [14:50:33] <bsdnoob> curl works though
2204 [14:50:40] <jelly> which proxy software are you using?
2205 [14:50:47] <bsdnoob> other distro's package manager work too
2206 [14:50:50] <bsdnoob> jelly , squid
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2208 [14:51:00] <jelly> 3.x?
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2210 [14:51:24] <bsdnoob> 2.6-STABLE
2211 [14:51:26] <jelly> bsdnoob: yeah, that should be no problem. which debian release?
2212 [14:51:33] <bsdnoob> jessie
2213 [14:51:40] <jelly> do I want to know why squid 2?
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2215 [14:52:11] <bsdnoob> because I did not set it up , stupid enterprise pricks
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2217 [14:52:29] <jelly> mmm
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2223 [14:54:04] <bsdnoob> jelly, so any way out of this
2224 [14:54:06] <bsdnoob> ?
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2239 [14:55:47] <jelly> bsdnoob: which mirror are you using?
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2244 [14:56:27] <bsdnoob> jelly, actually it's using raspberry pi's mirrors
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2247 [14:57:03] <jelly> bsdnoob: if you're using raspbian, ask in #raspbian
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2249 [14:57:25] <bsdnoob> jelly, it same
2250 [14:57:30] <jelly> I can't test and reproduce and try to work around your issue otherwise
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2252 [14:57:40] <bsdnoob> i get this problem with ubuntu , debian and now raspian
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2254 [14:57:46] <bsdnoob> :9
2255 [14:57:47] <jelly> if it's the same, please set up a debian machine with debian mirrors and ask again
2256 [14:58:13] <bsdnoob> thanks for bailing
2257 [14:58:15] <jelly> then we can continue from "which mirror are you using"
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2264 [14:59:35] <bsdnoob> jelly, mirror does't really matters , apt-get does not works with any mirror
2265 [14:59:43] <bsdnoob> be it ubuntu's mirror
2266 [14:59:47] <bsdnoob> or jessies's mirror
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2272 [15:02:19] <jelly> bsdnoob: yeah, but if it's not debian's apt, it might be an issue with debian, or it might be a change done by the derivative distro you're using
2273 [15:04:08] <jelly> ubuntu in particular does quite a bit of changes in apt and dpkg
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2392 [15:49:44] <curtan_> some libraries of gcc are not available. Getting 404 error when doing apt install
2393 [15:49:59] <centrx> !sources
2394 [15:49:59] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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2396 [15:50:16] <themill> curtan_: full commands and full output help
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2409 [15:55:16] <curtan_> replaced-url
2410 [15:55:46] <themill> looks like you need to apt update first
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2416 [15:59:07] <curtan_> Ok doing now
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2433 [16:04:35] <curtan_> themill, it worked, thanks
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2440 [16:06:28] <enoch85> hey guys, I have an issue with dependency issues with mysql 5.6 and I don't know how to solve it
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2442 [16:06:34] <enoch85> I tried to purge mysql*
2443 [16:06:37] <enoch85> and reinstall
2444 [16:06:46] <enoch85> but it didn't help
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2446 [16:07:21] <enoch85> and now I get this: replaced-url
2447 [16:07:27] <enoch85> anyone?
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2449 [16:08:24] <themill> whatever non-debian repositories you have in your sources.list are the problem
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2452 [16:09:13] <enoch85> and when I get this: replaced-url
2453 [16:09:32] <enoch85> so I should remove the ondrej PPA then?
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2455 [16:09:41] <enoch85> themill:
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2457 [16:09:58] <themill> what a mess
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2459 [16:10:19] <enoch85> yes indeed
2460 [16:10:35] <enoch85> themill: it all started when I wanted to upgrade
2461 [16:10:36] <themill> What distro are you actually trying to run?
2462 [16:10:50] <enoch85> I'm on Ubuntu 14.04 right now
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2464 [16:11:09] <themill> You might like to ask #ubuntu about what the easiest way to reinstall is.
2465 [16:11:24] <enoch85> themill: they are not as helpful as you debian guys
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2467 [16:11:34] <enoch85> and the process are almost the same
2468 [16:11:37] <themill> #debian isn't going to touch that mess
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2471 [16:12:29] <enoch85> ok, thanks anyway
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2480 [16:13:56] <snipe> oi ppl
2481 [16:14:09] <prussian> oi m8
2482 [16:14:29] <snipe> I run debian wine , first time today ! wine runs WOW softly , and videos is a bit slow , what should i do ?
2483 [16:15:06] <snipe> all other games run slow as well :(
2484 [16:15:18] <cra1g321> use windows :)
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2486 [16:15:20] <prussian> not much you can do.
2487 [16:15:21] <snipe> I-ve also installed nvidia driver
2488 [16:15:34] <snipe> wine is more application side isnt it ?
2489 [16:15:36] <prussian> it's a WIN32 -> POSIX|Linux shim
2490 [16:15:56] <cra1g321> never expect any app to fully work perfectly in wine
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2494 [16:16:46] <prussian> snipe: have you considered a Virtual Machine?
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2496 [16:17:05] <snipe> maybe
2497 [16:17:12] <cra1g321> if you still want to do plenty of gaming i would just dual-boot
2498 [16:17:13] <snipe> i ll consider that
2499 [16:17:19] <snipe> yeh
2500 [16:17:22] <snipe> tks bro
2501 [16:17:26] <prussian> with if you have IOMMU and Intel DMAR, you can check with cat /proc/cpuinfo, you can pass a gpu into your VM as well
2502 [16:17:26] <snipe> im removing wine right now
2503 [16:17:31] <deadlocks> I have had a lot of luck playing slightly older games in wine.. snipe have you told wine how much video ram us have?
2504 [16:17:42] <deadlocks> s/us/you/
2505 [16:17:45] <snipe> no i havent deadlocks
2506 [16:17:49] <snipe> :P
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2508 [16:17:56] <snipe> where should i regedit it ?
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2510 [16:18:04] <radw> hello
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2515 [16:18:24] <prussian> hi
2516 [16:18:43] <deadlocks> 'winetricks' can help you do that and it can help install directx and other MS libs you may need.. read up on replaced-url
2517 [16:19:14] <centrx> snipe: Steam Linux works well too (doesn’t have WoW though)
2518 [16:19:33] <centrx> snipe: Best gaming experience for WoW would be dual-boot though
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2520 [16:19:54] <prussian> nah
2521 [16:19:56] <prussian> you guys
2522 [16:20:13] <prussian> dual-boot is so 20th century
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2525 [16:21:00] <cra1g321> er no
2526 [16:21:05] <prussian> er ya
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2528 [16:21:32] <prussian> now that you can have virtual MMUs, you can attach physical hardware to your VMs
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2530 [16:21:47] <prussian> Intel calls it VT-d
2531 [16:21:48] <snipe> i want opengl
2532 [16:21:51] <snipe> not dx9
2533 [16:21:59] <prussian> it shows up in your cpuinfo as IOMMU and DMAR
2534 [16:22:15] <ER_nesto> Huh?
2535 [16:22:18] <ER_nesto> FUCK YOU
2536 [16:22:24] <ER_nesto> I highlight on my alt-nick
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2539 [16:23:18] <snipe> ?
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2551 [16:26:52] <fooo> hey, what's the safest way to download and install truecrypt? Any repository for that?
2552 [16:27:06] <cra1g321> fooo there is veracrypt now
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2554 [16:27:32] <fooo> cra1g321: would it work on my old truecrypt containeres?
2555 [16:27:39] <cra1g321> yes
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2560 [16:27:56] <fooo> If I'm dual-boot, and using truecrypt on windows, will I be possible to access these containers from the the linux?
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2563 [16:28:16] <cra1g321> fooo, when u click mount just click the tickbox beside "TrueCrypt Mode"
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2566 [16:28:34] <Lope> I'm trying to figure out how to verify a .deb file
2567 [16:28:39] <cra1g321> fooo, it depends during the creation of the container whether you said you wanted to use it on linux or not
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2570 [16:29:00] <Lope> I'm using a command like `dpkg-sig --verify test_1.0-7_amd64.deb` which I read about here: replaced-url
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2572 [16:29:12] <Lope> But when I try it, it doesn't say GOODSIG. It just says nothing.
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2574 [16:29:32] <fooo> cra1g321: I was able to access them in truecrypt before
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2576 [16:29:52] <themill> Lope: did you create this .deb ?
2577 [16:29:55] <Lope> Processing, and then nothing. if I purposefully corrupt the file it complains it's corrupt. But it doesn't say GOODSIG regarding the original .deb file.
2578 [16:30:08] <cra1g321> fooo, when you create the encrypted file or partition, it would of asked you whether you want to enable access on linux too or just windows
2579 [16:30:14] <Lope> No I downloaded the .deb here replaced-url
2580 [16:30:39] <themill> Lope: debian doesn't sign individual .debs. You'd have to ask ubuntu if they do
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2582 [16:31:03] <fooo> cra1g321: ok, cool, what's the easiest way to install veracrypt then? apt-get ? What repository?
2583 [16:31:06] <Lope> But when you download packages from apt-get surely they are checked against a GPG key?
2584 [16:31:39] <cra1g321> replaced-url
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2587 [16:32:01] <fooo> thx
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2589 [16:32:04] <Lope> Because apt-get downloads everything insecurely... So you're saying packages are not GPG verified?
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2591 [16:32:33] <themill> dpkg: tell Lope about secure apt
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2594 [16:33:00] <themill> verification does not need to be done on the individual packages like that
2595 [16:33:05] <prussian> of course packages are signed...
2596 [16:33:07] <prussian> what?
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2598 [16:34:03] <Lope> prussian: where can I get the GPG signature for this .deb file? replaced-url
2599 [16:34:25] <themill> there is none
2600 [16:34:31] <prussian> Ubuntu likely has the apt key somewhere.
2601 [16:34:48] <Lope> so how does apt verify .deb files it downloads?
2602 [16:34:50] <themill> Lope: and as I said, you'd be asking #ubuntu ...
2603 [16:34:53] <themill> what dpkg said.
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2605 [16:35:20] <Lope> Well, I also use debian, and ubuntu is using debian's tech. #ubuntu don't seem to know anything about GPG.
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2607 [16:35:33] <prussian> what distro are you on?
2608 [16:35:38] <prussian> are you on Ubuntu?
2609 [16:35:51] <Lope> I'm on debian 8 but I want to debootstrap a chrooted 16.04
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2611 [16:36:13] <themill> Lope: debootstrap in jessie should be able to do that
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2614 [16:37:07] <fooo> ok it work,s thank you!
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2618 [16:37:26] <Lope> themill: I figured so, by default. But my debootstrap is much older than the Xenial debootstrap version (i dunno if they're equivalent) but anyway this guide says to use a debootstrap version AT LEAST as new as the OS you want to debootstrap, and recommends downloading the debootstrap package from the distro you want to debootstrap. replaced-url
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2620 [16:37:50] <themill> So ask #ubuntu....
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2622 [16:38:03] <daniel-s> In task manager I see RSS and VM-Size. What is the difference between the two and which one is a better reflection of how much RAM an application is consuming?
2623 [16:38:13] <Lope> Well I'd like to verify a debian8 package also, how how do I do that?
2624 [16:38:18] <daniel-s> The task manager is LXTask
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2627 [16:38:30] <themill> Lope: what dpkg said...
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2630 [16:39:36] <Lope> themill: okay, yes I've seen this "Release" file around. Where can I download it?
2631 [16:39:43] <Lope> or do I have it already?
2632 [16:40:16] <Lope> How can I for example check the signature of a .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
2633 [16:40:23] <themill> Please read the documentation
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2636 [16:41:49] <SwK> so trying to create an orig tarball for a package I'm working but tar is crying about file names (really full path) being longer than 99 chars... anyone have any good workarounds? (other than renaming the files to something shorter which would vastly complicate managing this crap)
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2649 [16:47:19] <Lope> okay I just improved my google foo. debian release file didn't yield much. debian "release file" worked. replaced-url
2650 [16:47:28] <Lope> But now debootstrap is not listed there...
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2652 [16:48:16] <Lope> The secure-apt man page says "The checksums of all of the Packages files are then computed and put into the Release file."
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2654 [16:48:24] <themill> Lope: seriously, you don't need google-fu, you just need to read the wiki page.
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2662 [16:49:30] <themill> (and apt-secure(8) is perfectly correct in saying that)
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2664 [16:49:56] <Lope> can you please stop being argumentative and just be practical?
2665 [16:50:26] <Lope> the debootstrap package is not in the release file
2666 [16:50:28] <themill> I'm hoping to avoid having to either copy and paste or retype the information that's already on the wiki...
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2671 [16:51:02] <themill> You're the one who is asking for help for ubuntu in #debian and wondering why you're not getting much assistance.
2672 [16:51:21] <Lope> I'd like to know how the process works, as I said I use both OS's.
2673 [16:51:26] <Lope> They both use the same tech.
2674 [16:51:38] <free-theater-sof> hi is there free theater modelling software, something worst case that simple as "lucas arts"? How could a garage production these days function, having a simple movie or game?
2675 [16:51:41] <free-theater-sof> thanks
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2678 [16:52:19] <ftoks> hey, I accidentaly add user to wrong group (with usermod -a -G <group> <user>) How should I fix it?
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2681 [16:53:06] <ftoks> hmm, deluser seems to work ;]
2682 [16:53:06] <ftoks> nvm
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2701 [16:58:00] <prussian> usermod
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2704 [16:58:55] <ftoks> prussian: ?
2705 [16:59:12] <prussian> usermod
2706 [16:59:20] <prussian> is the binary you seek, or sought.
2707 [16:59:42] <ftoks> thx
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2717 [17:00:52] <ftoks> still doesnt work
2718 [17:00:59] <ftoks> I wanna add user to sudo group
2719 [17:01:05] <ftoks> I did: usermod -a -G sudo myuser
2720 [17:01:11] <ftoks> and he is still not in sudo
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2727 [17:03:42] <Xenthys> ftoks: if the user is currently logged-in, he'll need to logout and login back
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2729 [17:03:58] <ftoks> Xenthys: I relogin
2730 [17:04:11] <ftoks> and still group show me that he is not in sudo group
2731 [17:04:22] <ftoks> it started to work with visudo
2732 [17:04:29] <ftoks> but, should I do ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL ?
2733 [17:04:33] <ftoks> or it's not recommended?
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2736 [17:04:57] <Xenthys> it depends, if it's your own system the default ALL isn't a bad idea
2737 [17:05:04] <prussian> does your sudoers have a rule for the group sudo?
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2740 [17:05:44] <ftoks> prussian: %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
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2745 [17:07:18] <Xenthys> ftoks: it's important to regulate those permissions if you want to give another user sudo access without actually giving him power over the whole system
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2747 [17:07:48] <ftoks> Xenthys: I just want to be able to mount drivers and use gui
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2749 [17:07:57] <ftoks> and that requires sudo permissions
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2751 [17:08:04] <prussian> udisk
2752 [17:08:29] <prussian> you want udisks ftoks
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2754 [17:08:38] <ftoks> what about gui?
2755 [17:08:52] <prussian> ya your gui is using dbus, no?
2756 [17:09:08] <ftoks> yes
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2758 [17:09:53] <avallac_h> ftoks: policykit-1 and udisk2. that's all you need.
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2761 [17:10:15] <ftoks> ok, i'll read more about it, thank you!
2762 [17:10:15] <avallac_h> ftoks: *udisks2
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2788 [17:23:17] <WormFood> Is Xpra busted between wheezy and jessie or am I not using it right?
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2807 [17:26:33] <Bombo> hi
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2811 [17:27:11] <xstation> just installed debian mate 8.4 but everytime I open youtube goes back to login screen have already installed xserver-xorg-video-intel have intel HD 5500 grapcis on intel i5-5200U cpu
2812 [17:27:26] <Bombo> where did the nvidia legacy 71xx go? seems to be gone in jessie
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2820 [17:30:39] <WormFood> yeah, it's fuckin' busted in wheezy. Why the fuck it's even in the repo is beyond me, since it doesn't god damn work.
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2824 [17:32:21] <themill> WormFood: we've been through this too many times already, can we not again, please?
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2826 [17:33:30] <WormFood> been through what? I don't think I've ever asked anything about xpra before.
2827 [17:33:43] <themill> the ranting
2828 [17:33:47] <themill> (and jftr, xpra works just fine in wheezy)
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2830 [17:34:46] <WormFood> replaced-url
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2832 [17:35:03] <themill> wfm
2833 [17:35:05] <avallac_h> xstation: Try something like this: replaced-url
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2835 [17:36:29] <teraflops> xstation: or... do not use a xserver-xorg-video* at all since you can do modesseting
2836 [17:36:53] <themill> WormFood: you'll also quickly identify that page is written by someone who believes everyone should spend their life compiling the latest from git all day every day.
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2850 [17:41:18] <xstation> teraflops:how does modesetting work , just need youtube really
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2852 [17:43:21] <teraflops> xstation: I mean something like this replaced-url
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2854 [17:45:46] <avallac_h> xstation: btw, have you tried xserver-xorg-video-intel from jessie-backports?
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2864 [17:49:50] <jml2> xstation, for intel gfx for modern systems -- it means you basically need to use everything you can --- 1: intel microcode, latest kernel, besides just the intel gfx
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2872 [17:53:27] <DoubleMan> This is free hacked videogame for windows replaced-url
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2885 [17:56:55] <avallac_h> jml2: wow, suddenly I found that there are no packages that depend on firmware-linux.
2886 [17:56:56] <DoubleMan> This is free hacked videogame for windows replaced-url
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2900 [18:00:43] <xstation> thanks for all the help with intel 5500 tried a few points and suggestions but still seems to go back to login screen -when this happens are there any logs I can refer to to see what happened?
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2902 [18:01:33] <xstation> avallac_h: yes I did
2903 [18:02:08] <xstation> jml2: thankyou but need to be more specific
2904 [18:02:30] <jml2> xstation, you'll have to use the package manager to install intel microcode
2905 [18:02:35] <jml2> xstation, (it's from non-free)
2906 [18:02:46] <jml2> xstation, intel gfx stack is complex
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2908 [18:03:08] <jml2> xstation, sometimes the on-die gfx chip is not working fully if you don't have 1- that microcode and 2 latest kernel
2909 [18:03:44] <xstation> jml2: well just installed debian mate
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2911 [18:03:52] <xstation> 8.4
2912 [18:04:09] <jml2> (the bios too can have gfx ram increased)
2913 [18:04:11] <avallac_h> xstation: Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log maybe you'll find something helpful there.
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2917 [18:05:23] <teraflops> xstation: yeah latest kernel you can grab and microcode stuff then give a try to xserver-xorg-video-intel vs modesseting
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2926 [18:07:16] <xstation> jml2: tried to install intel-microcode got update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64
2927 [18:07:16] <xstation> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-3.fw for module r816
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2930 [18:08:33] <jml2> xstation, install firmware-realtek
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2932 [18:08:43] <jml2> xstation, what else is missing ? -> dmesg |grep -i fail
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2938 [18:09:22] <jml2> xstation, (backports)
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2943 [18:12:46] <xstation> jml2: grep gave me [ 4621.829677] i2c_hid i2c-SYN1B81:01: failed to change power setting.
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2949 [18:13:32] <jml2> xstation, does it say missing firmware in other chips?
2950 [18:14:04] <xstation> jml2: no nothing else
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2954 [18:14:48] <jml2> xstation, you can also increase the ram for the intel gfx through the bios
2955 [18:14:55] <jml2> xstation, that can help with performance
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2962 [18:18:29] <xstation> jml2: was able to install firmware-realtek and intel-microcode
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2968 [18:20:58] <xstation> jml2: is 3.16.0-4-amd64
2969 [18:20:59] <xstation> the lastest kernel?
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2972 [18:21:07] <avallac_h> xstation, jml2: imho this problem is related to hw video acceleration.
2973 [18:21:25] <jml2> xstation, i mentioned you should be trying to use backports
2974 [18:21:26] <jml2> !bpo
2975 [18:21:26] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
2976 [18:21:41] <jml2> xstation, with that you can get the latest kernel and any firmware packages
2977 [18:21:45] <avallac_h> xstation: maybe you should try latest backported kernel (4+)?
2978 [18:22:00] <jml2> xstation, (apt-get update, apt-get -t jessie-backports upgrade/dist-upgrade)
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2986 [18:24:40] <Lope> where is debian 8? replaced-url
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2991 [18:25:26] <Lope> oh, nvm
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2994 [18:25:59] <xstation> jml2: E: Command line option 't' [from -t] is not known.
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3003 [18:28:24] <TomTomTosch> you don't want to do an upgrade with -t jessie-backports. you should only install the things you need from backports.
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3007 [18:29:49] <tommy``> hi
3008 [18:30:01] <tommy``> guys any help with kernel panic not syncing: attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x00007f00 ?
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3027 [18:39:02] <xstation> jml2: installing linux-image-4.5.0-2-amd64 would break xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse,
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3033 [18:40:54] <jml2> xstation, you using vmware?
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3035 [18:41:05] <xstation> jml2 no
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3040 [18:41:27] <jml2> xstation, try removing it
3041 [18:41:35] <xstation> jml2: deconfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help)
3042 [18:42:12] <jml2> xstation, it removes other things
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3044 [18:42:28] <jml2> xstation, easier to upgrade things with backports, then try to add that backport kernel
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3051 [18:43:39] <xstation> jml2: ok thanks
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3061 [18:46:13] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. Since I upgraded my Samba DC machine to the 4.2 package when Jessie made the jump, my users are unable to change their passwords from Windows... sometimes. (It's saying they don't meet the length, history or complexity requirements even though they do.)
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3063 [18:46:26] <Pegasus_RPG> Is there a configuration option that changed as part of the upgradE?
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3068 [18:47:11] <jml2> Pegasus_RPG, look into pam settings for password complexity
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3073 [18:48:47] <Iwannachangebrig> Hi all. Can someone help me? I'm hating literally computers. I can't find a way to set a DEFAULT brightness(backlight?) at system logo(& grub2)
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3077 [18:49:08] <Iwannachangebrig> Of course, I know how to change brightness after system boot, the problem is just on Lenovo logo and grub2
3078 [18:49:13] <Iwannachangebrig> can someone help me?
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3082 [18:49:48] <Pegasus_RPG> jml2: you mean look at PAM's settings or samba's interfacing with PAM?
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3084 [18:50:05] <gspr> Am I correct in understanding that /usr/share/doc/packagename may contain arch-independent files (like README, copyright, etc.) even for a "Multi-Arch: same" library?
3085 [18:50:22] <blind> are there options in your BIOS, Iwannachangebrig? I don't think anything you'll do in your OS will be able to affect the system logo brightness.
3086 [18:50:32] <gspr> If so, how does this work with multiple packages providing these same files at the same time?
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3088 [18:51:01] <guampa> what can cause Debian to run dhclient on an interface set in /etc/network/interfaces as static?
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3091 [18:51:25] <Iwannachangebrig> blind No unluckily. Just figure you in on the night you start to use your pc but not before it has burned your eyes
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3093 [18:51:39] <guampa> and it's there a way to completely disable dhclient or make it ignore the interface, maybe in dhclient.conf?
3094 [18:51:41] <blind> I understand the struggle.. just not sure what you can do.
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3096 [18:51:57] <jml2> Pegasus_RPG, it could be a samba setting, it depends on samba's setup
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3098 [18:52:00] <jelly> Iwannachangebrig, you'll have to find a venue that can support your particular hardware. There's nothing Debian can do about firmware power-on settings
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3102 [18:52:35] <Iwannachangebrig> blind it should be a common problem isn't it? I mean, most computers can't use a default brightness on logo. Am I the only one who cares about damned too high brightness?
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3109 [18:53:38] <Iwannachangebrig> blind Also, I hoped grub2 had a way to configure it. Anyhow, Fn keys works but anything is reset at each system start
3110 [18:53:39] <jelly> Iwannachangebrig, it very much depends on hardware brand and model and even firmware version
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3113 [18:54:05] <Iwannachangebrig> jelly I guess I'm using some intel driver because on /sys/class I have intel_backlight folder
3114 [18:54:22] <Iwannachangebrig> jelly I'm using a lenovo thinkpad anyhow
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3116 [18:54:25] <jelly> that's only relevant once linux kernel is running.
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3118 [18:54:46] <jelly> Iwannachangebrig, find a support venue for thinkpads, then
3119 [18:54:52] <Iwannachangebrig> jelly I've seen Doesn't grub2 load when linux kernel has already started to run?
3120 [18:55:01] <jelly> /msg alis list *thinkpad*
3121 [18:55:04] <jelly> nope
3122 [18:55:19] <jelly> the last thing grub2 does is pass control to linux
3123 [18:55:42] <Iwannachangebrig> jelly so there's not way to force grub use a maximum brightness(like 30%)?
3124 [18:55:57] <debian|cinnamon> I have a minor irretant I installed Google-Authenticator for 2 step login and two step sudo... everything workds great I get code off phone and all works good.... But
3125 [18:55:57] <jelly> I don't know. You're asking in wrong place.
3126 [18:56:21] <Iwannachangebrig> jelly what does "/msg alist list *thinkpad* mean Is there a thinkpad channel?
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3129 [18:56:41] <debian|cinnamon> I can only run as root SU by doing sudo -i... I seem to of lost SU powers
3130 [18:56:42] <jelly> Iwannachangebrig, type that, see if the alis bot finds a channel.
3131 [18:57:15] <Iwannachangebrig> yes it finds but are they linux related channels or general thinkpad support?
3132 [18:57:24] <jelly> that's for you to find out
3133 [18:57:34] <Iwannachangebrig> ok thanks you
3134 [18:57:50] <debian|cinnamon> anyone care to point me in right direction?
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3137 [19:00:04] <jelly> debian|cinnamon, which debian release? can you log in as root at the console?
3138 [19:00:22] <jelly> in other words, are you sure you didn't merely forgot root's password
3139 [19:00:27] <jelly> forget*
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3141 [19:00:45] <debian|cinnamon> yea just figured I can su <username> which then asks for veri code and password
3142 [19:00:55] <debian|cinnamon> but I cant run su
3143 [19:01:03] <debian|cinnamon> jesse 8.3
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3145 [19:01:18] <debian|cinnamon> I think its .pam issue or something along those lines
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3147 [19:01:35] <jelly> what does "can't run" mean? precisely what happens when you try?
3148 [19:01:37] <jelly> !ask
3149 [19:01:37] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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3151 [19:01:56] <Iwannachangebrig> jesse could you help me another time? Maybe I can change the brightness on debian installer? Because using the kali installer fn keys doesn't work....
3152 [19:02:25] <Iwannachangebrig> *(sorry for the mistake) jelly could you help me another time? Maybe I can change the brightness on debian installer? Because using the kali installer fn keys doesn't work....
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3154 [19:02:40] <rangergord> Hi. Is there a resource for casual admins, that gives them a checklist of things to do before putting their first server online? Like changing SSH port, blocking incoming connections from Chinese IPs via GeoIP, etc.
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3159 [19:03:13] <debian|cinnamon> jelly, su: Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session
3160 [19:03:14] <rangergord> it's a casual VPS I'll log in a couple of times a month, I don't want to spend a lot of effort keeping it secured, I just don't want it to get taken over
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3164 [19:03:42] <jelly> debian|cinnamon, interesting. now that message is something you can google on
3165 [19:03:43] <debian|cinnamon> its a two step auth error i'll figure it out
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3167 [19:04:21] <jelly> debian|cinnamon, and you did not answer on whether you can log in as root at the console
3168 [19:04:26] <debian|cinnamon> yea thought it was pam issue
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3171 [19:04:53] <debian|cinnamon> no cant login as root as su but can sudo -i
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3174 [19:05:19] <jelly> "su" is different from "log in at the text console"
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3186 [19:08:46] <jelly> debian|cinnamon, do you have access to the local console on that system at all?
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3189 [19:09:44] <debian|cinnamon> jelly yea I have full privalages I think I just need to amend /etc/pam.d/common-session
3190 [19:10:05] <tommy``> Anyone could help me to fix boot problem on my machine?
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3195 [19:11:54] <jelly> debian|cinnamon, that still does not give me an answer, and I'm still unsure whether you can differentiate "logging in remotely, eg. via ssh" from "logging in at local serial or VGA or emulated virtual console"
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3197 [19:12:39] <teraflops> tommy``: kernel panics are hard, try with other kernel, or try with grub options, or try releasing hw from the mobo (usb thingies, pci cards ...)
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3201 [19:13:18] <tommy``> i've raspbian on my pi2 but i didn't found nothing on web useful
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3204 [19:14:22] <teraflops> meh I guess releasing wasn't ok in my sentence
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3209 [19:15:09] <jelly> !raspbian
3210 [19:15:09] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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3238 [19:23:46] <johnkeates> I installed ntpd on jessie but it doesn't seem to periodically fix the time
3239 [19:24:02] <johnkeates> does it require some extra special stuff to auto-ntpdate?
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3248 [19:27:30] <brightnesshelp> jelly could you or somebody else tell me again the command to find channels please?
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3251 [19:27:41] <johnkeates> it's called google
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3266 [19:33:20] <tharkun> johnkeates: On Freenode is called alis
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3271 [19:36:22] <johnkeates> but, why does ntpd not keep debian time in sync
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3274 [19:37:46] <teraflops> It does here so fix your timezone
3275 [19:37:59] <teraflops> Or whatever...
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3283 [19:39:35] <dontknow> johnkeates, ntp call google?
3284 [19:39:50] <johnkeates> i did, but they wouldn't even give me the time :p
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3290 [19:40:26] <dontknow> johnkeates, ntp.service calls google?
3291 [19:40:39] <ext4_recovery> im in a world of pain
3292 [19:40:50] <ext4_recovery> i formated my debian7 and installed debian 8 on it
3293 [19:41:01] <ext4_recovery> had imporatant files on debian 7
3294 [19:41:12] <ext4_recovery> now theyre gone
3295 [19:41:13] <ext4_recovery> how do i get them back
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3299 [19:41:26] <dontknow> ext4_recovery, you are doomed
3300 [19:41:29] <digdilem> from your backup. if no backup, unlucky
3301 [19:41:31] <mtn> ext4_recovery: from your bakcups
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3303 [19:41:38] <johnkeates> ext4_recovery: try testdisk and use your backups meanwhile
3304 [19:41:43] <ext4_recovery> what backups
3305 [19:41:46] <mtn> haha
3306 [19:41:48] <digdilem> sucks to be you
3307 [19:41:49] <johnkeates> there ya go
3308 [19:41:58] <ext4_recovery> johnkeates: what exactly do i do with testdisk
3309 [19:41:58] <donald> is there any problem in iptables replaced-url
3310 [19:41:58] <digdilem> think of this as a learning opportunity
3311 [19:41:59] <johnkeates> this is what it feels like to fuck yourself :
3312 [19:42:07] <dontknow> johnkeates, does ntp.service call google?
3313 [19:42:07] <mtn> ext4_recovery: Not having backups means you don't care about losing your personal files and settings.
3314 [19:42:26] <ext4_recovery> fml
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3316 [19:42:32] <ext4_recovery> i had bitcoins on that drive
3317 [19:42:35] <TomTomTo1> ext4_recovery: you can pay a company to recover your data. maybe you are lucky. meanwhile don't use that disk.
3318 [19:42:39] <jml2> ext4_recovery, try reading the release notes next time
3319 [19:42:40] <donald> is there any problem in iptables replaced-url
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3321 [19:42:53] <digdilem> an expensive lesson then
3322 [19:43:07] <dontknow> johnkeates, fuck you
3323 [19:43:12] <ext4_recovery> any way to get them back
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3325 [19:43:28] <ext4_recovery> i need only this one file
3326 [19:43:36] <ext4_recovery> wallet.dat 256bytes
3327 [19:43:51] <TomTomTosch> ext4_recovery: not without paying someone who knows what they are doing.
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3331 [19:44:12] <dontknow> ext4_recovery, search for data recovery software on duckduckgo
3332 [19:44:43] <ext4_recovery> mate if you know exactly what software i should use please say so
3333 [19:44:50] <Dagger> if it really is 256 bytes, then it'll be in a single sector and you can just scan the drive for the file header
3334 [19:44:51] <TomTomTosch> those can often do more damage than good.
3335 [19:44:55] <ext4_recovery> im struggling with testdisk
3336 [19:45:12] <dontknow> ext4_recovery, i don't know for gnu/linux. for windows there is recuva
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3338 [19:45:23] <ext4_recovery> Dagger: elaborate
3339 [19:45:23] <digdilem> but a format, new filesystem and then installing a new operating system? chances are very slim even with someone skilled
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3342 [19:45:56] <ext4_recovery> how do the nsa do these things
3343 [19:46:03] <digdilem> they make backups
3344 [19:46:08] <ext4_recovery> they recover files from smashed up hdds
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3346 [19:46:17] <ext4_recovery> i dont see how this is a problem
3347 [19:46:26] <dontknow> ext4_recovery, lol they have tech. and geniuses
3348 [19:46:28] <digdilem> then prepare to be educated
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3351 [19:46:58] <Dagger> ext4_recovery: "if you didn't zero the drive and the reinstall didn't overwrite the sector with the file in, then you should just be able to look through the entire drive for it"
3352 [19:47:25] <Dagger> but my wallet.dat is 168kb, which means fragmentation is a possibility
3353 [19:47:45] <Dagger> (if the file is fragmented, getting all the fragments together without the filesystem metadata is pretty much hopeless)
3354 [19:47:48] <ext4_recovery> im not sure how big is wallet.dat
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3356 [19:47:51] <ext4_recovery> i just put that number
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3359 [19:48:13] <ext4_recovery> Dagger: how do i look through the entire drive
3360 [19:48:15] <alejandroalmador> Hi, I'm using Debian stable since several months now and I plan to switch to testing very soon. Is it better to do a clean install and change the repo to testing or is it perfectly fine to just change the repo from my actual install? What would you suggest?
3361 [19:48:20] <ext4_recovery> on the debian 8 install there is no wallet.dat
3362 [19:48:30] <johnkeates> alejandroalmador: upgrade is fine
3363 [19:48:33] <ext4_recovery> the files are gone somewhere
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3365 [19:48:50] <Dagger> ext4_recovery: yeah, I'm not sure how to do that either, but there must be software that does it
3366 [19:48:55] <johnkeates> ext4_recovery: are you currently using the system where you wiped your files? if so: you're making it worse
3367 [19:49:08] <johnkeates> also, there is stuff like scalpel
3368 [19:49:09] <ext4_recovery> no im using my ntfs partition
3369 [19:49:10] <jelly> alejandroalmador, upgrading a minimal base system has a better chance of success than upgrading whatever you have right now
3370 [19:49:18] <alejandroalmador> johnkeates: so just changing the repo, and then a quick apt-get update & install will up to date my packages right?
3371 [19:49:32] <dontknow> alejandroalmador, it is suggested to make minimal install and upgrade to testingg
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3373 [19:49:39] <Dagger> (there's software that scans for .jpg files etc, surely one of those supports searching for custom file headers)
3374 [19:49:41] <alejandroalmador> jelly: yea thats what I thought, it feels more "clean" to me
3375 [19:49:42] <teraflops> The more you write to the disc the less chances you have to recover something
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3377 [19:50:01] <jelly> dpkg, tell alejandroalmador about jessie->stretch
3378 [19:50:05] <jml2> teraflops, he overwrote the filesystem --- essentially "reformatted" it
3379 [19:50:10] <alejandroalmador> dontknow: got it, thx
3380 [19:50:14] <ryouma> i have a script that creates crypttab. if i add discard to crypttab, and it's a spinning disk, will there be an error, or sill it be ignored?
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3382 [19:51:02] <avallac_h> ext4_recovery: maybe this small tool can help: replaced-url
3383 [19:51:04] <ext4_recovery> johnkeates: ill try to use scalpel
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3385 [19:51:19] <alejandroalmador> thanks for the help guys
3386 [19:51:41] <dontknow> ext4_recovery, if you are using ntfs partition you can use recuva software
3387 [19:51:47] <ext4_recovery> avallac_h: its not a bitcoin wallet.dat tho
3388 [19:51:49] <ext4_recovery> ethereum
3389 [19:51:56] <ext4_recovery> should have never bought that crap
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3391 [19:52:18] <johnkeates> should've made backups :p
3392 [19:52:23] <ext4_recovery> dontknow: im using a ntfs partition right now windows 10 but im trying to recover files from a ext4
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3397 [19:53:07] <ext4_recovery> avallac_h: can it find other wallets?
3398 [19:53:23] <jelly> ext4_recovery, make a bitwise copy of the whole disk or just the correct partition. Then figure out what the ethereum wallet signature looks like. Then search for that.
3399 [19:53:46] <avallac_h> ext4_recovery: can't answer.
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3403 [19:54:37] <jml2> ext4_recovery, you lost your bitcoin wallet without any other backup? wow
3404 [19:54:47] <jml2> ext4_recovery, definitely you lost all your bitcoins
3405 [19:55:04] <jelly> jml2, let's not taunt the user for their stupidity
3406 [19:55:11] <ext4_recovery> jml2: i backed up my dogecoin wallet i backed up my blackcoin wallet my litecoin wallet copied exchange passwords
3407 [19:55:11] <jml2> jelly, not taunting
3408 [19:55:18] <ext4_recovery> but ethereum i forgot
3409 [19:55:23] <ext4_recovery> and half my funds are in ethereum
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3412 [19:56:43] <jelly> if that's less than $100 equivalent it's not worth spending the time to search for it
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3414 [19:57:52] <ext4_recovery> jelly: no its more
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3416 [19:58:15] <ext4_recovery> but tricky bit is i need that ethereum to buy DAO ipo
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3418 [19:58:27] <jelly> if it's more, then you can afford to spend a couple hours writing a script or a tool or paying soemone to write it
3419 [19:58:28] <ext4_recovery> that ends in a few days
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3421 [19:59:15] <jelly> in any case don't touch the original and make an image as soon as possible
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3424 [19:59:41] <ext4_recovery> and here is where it gets brutal, i got exams on monday
3425 [19:59:57] <jml2> ext4_recovery, you should focus on your exams
3426 [20:00:07] <ext4_recovery> but my money
3427 [20:00:08] <jelly> I'm not sure how this is a debian issue
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3430 [20:00:57] <dTal> is there a working Debian phone that you can buy, today?
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3432 [20:01:18] <dTal> or even an unlocked phone you can install Debian on and have it work as a phone?
3433 [20:01:20] <dontknow> ext4_recovery, how much money did you lost?
3434 [20:01:34] <dontknow> dTal, no
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3436 [20:02:20] <dTal> Is there a pithy reason why?
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3440 [20:03:52] <dontknow> dTal, phones require blobs
3441 [20:04:04] <dTal> lots of things do
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3445 [20:04:41] <dTal> this guy put a 3g dongle in a Zipit running Debian and got it working (badly) as a phone: replaced-url
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3449 [20:05:13] <dTal> I've preordered a Pyra which runs Debian, has a GSM modem in it and aims to work as a phone
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3451 [20:05:46] <dTal> I just had a poke on my very own smartphone and the modem is right there in /dev as a tty device
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3453 [20:06:19] <dTal> so there's obviously nothing deeply mysterious about it
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3460 [20:07:13] <dTal> and Debian has all sorts of phone stuff right there in apt
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3469 [20:13:16] <avallac_h> dTal: Man, it's a huge amount of work. And speaking about result: it won't be easy to use, it won't be reliable and it won't have low power consumption.
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3477 [20:15:06] <dTal> see none of that makes sense to me... Debian itself is a huge amount of work. Linux is a huge amount of work. And why Android, which is java-ridden bloated mess, should have some kind of privileged status in power consumption...
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3479 [20:16:19] <dTal> I am not standing here demanding that someone go and make Debian into a nice phone interface for me. But I'm deeply surprised it hasn't already been done, given the clear interest and the lack of any consistent reason not to
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3481 [20:16:55] <johnkeates> why does ntpd not do anything for the click
3482 [20:16:56] <johnkeates> clock
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3484 [20:17:20] <teraflops> !ask
3485 [20:17:20] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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3487 [20:17:32] <dTal> I used to think it was something about mobile "basebands", not knowing about these things. I'd read a lot of posts suggesting that was the roadblock. But it turns out they're just binary blobs you upload to the modem like firmware, and talk to it with AT commands. No worse than wifi.
3488 [20:17:44] <teraflops> well that one more or less :P
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3493 [20:18:27] <johnkeates> basebands are evil
3494 [20:18:34] <johnkeates> we have open source GSM base stations
3495 [20:18:40] <johnkeates> but no mobile basebands yet i guess
3496 [20:18:48] <johnkeates> well, there was the hacked motorola dumbphone
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3499 [20:19:13] <johnkeates> but all of that RF firmware voodoo is really hard and nobody really wants to have anything to do with it, even if it wasn't NDA-walled
3500 [20:19:15] <jelly> johnkeates, is it a physical or a virtual machine you have ntp issues on? Pastebin the output of "ntpq -p localhost"
3501 [20:19:25] <johnkeates> virtual, xen
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3504 [20:20:04] <johnkeates> jelly: ntpq: read: Connection refused
3505 [20:20:18] <jelly> is ntpd process running at all?
3506 [20:20:27] <dTal> obviously blob-free would be ideal. But man we used to make do with ndiswrapper!
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3509 [20:20:52] <johnkeates> sorry, needed sudo
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3511 [20:21:14] <dTal> there doesn't seem to be any issue with just talking to modems with AT commands still, and letting them handle all the awkward RF stuff
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3513 [20:21:27] <LunaLovegood> Is there a way to disable the disk cache in Firefox, but not history?
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3516 [20:21:37] <johnkeates> john@ha-1-prod:~$ sudo ntpq -p localhost
3517 [20:21:37] <johnkeates> remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
3518 [20:21:37] <johnkeates> ==============================================================================
3519 [20:21:37] <johnkeates> ipa-1-prod .INIT. 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 0.000
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3522 [20:21:42] <teraflops> !combo
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3524 [20:21:53] <jelly> !paste
3525 [20:21:53] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
3526 [20:21:55] <johnkeates> sorry, was meant to be a one-line output
3527 [20:22:13] <johnkeates> replaced-url
3528 [20:22:36] <johnkeates> the problem is that ntpd runs but doesn't fix up the time
3529 [20:22:40] <tharkun> Is there a Debian way to do a ramdisk?
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3531 [20:22:42] <johnkeates> i can manually run ntpdate
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3534 [20:23:24] <jelly> johnkeates, you don't seem to have connectivity to the single ntp server configured?
3535 [20:23:48] <avallac_h> dTal: Found this in my bookmarks: replaced-url
3536 [20:24:04] <johnkeates> it works when I ntpdate
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3539 [20:24:50] <jelly> johnkeates, can you do ntpq -p ipa-1-prod?
3540 [20:25:10] <avallac_h> dTal: and I must disagree with you: nobody wants a phone with a battery life about 3 hours
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3543 [20:25:51] <dTal> um that's not disagreeing with me but okay
3544 [20:26:55] <dTal> I simply reject that Debian, which runs Linux and has a load average of somewhere around 0.0 on my laptop, will be worse than Android, which runs Linux and has a load average of around 15% on my phone
3545 [20:27:15] <jelly> dTal, avallac_h: care to move this to #debian-offtopic unless there's an immediate tech issue to solve somewhere along the line?
3546 [20:27:16] <dTal> (idle)
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3549 [20:27:31] <dTal> jelly: apologies
3550 [20:27:36] <avallac_h> jelly: ok. sorry.
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3553 [20:28:57] <jelly> tharkun, what precisely do you mean by a ramdisk? Is a custom tmpfs mountpoint configured in fstab a ramdisk?
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3556 [20:30:46] <tharkun> jelly: A RAM disk is a portion of RAM which is being used as if it were a disk drive. RAM disks have fixed sizes, and act like regular disk partitions. plagiarized from:
3557 [20:30:49] <tharkun> !ramdisk
3558 [20:30:49] <dpkg> from memory, ramdisk is a method of using a portion of your ram as if it were another hard drive partition. See replaced-url
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3563 [20:31:50] <tharkun> but that page does not seem to provide the appropiate debian commands
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3565 [20:31:57] <jelly> tharkun, so you want something that acts like a block device, not a filesystem?
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3570 [20:33:06] <tharkun> jelly: I have latex run that is taking too much time. I want a way to make latex write to ram istead of the actual hdd to see if the increase in performace will reduce the time spent on the run.
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3574 [20:33:38] <johnkeates> jelly: thanks so far, been digging around my networks, seems something is off / wonky about UDP packets getting lost on the way
3575 [20:33:42] <tharkun> I really do not know if it is a block device, a ramdisk or whatever other name google can come up with.
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3577 [20:34:12] <jelly> tharkun, ah, so you do need a filesystem then. Use a tmpfs, don't bother with blockdev drivers.
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3579 [20:34:36] <tharkun> jelly: tmpfs lives in ram?
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3581 [20:34:54] <tharkun> johnkeates: does your machine has iptables running on it?
3582 [20:35:25] <jelly> tharkun, yes. tmpfs is backed by VFS, which keeps its dirty buffers in memory and on swap if it must.
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3584 [20:35:50] <tharkun> jelly: I would kiss you if I didn't know you better ;P
3585 [20:36:32] <johnkeates> tharkun: there are 120 VM's and the ntp server is on a fedora box with the kerberos kdc, it's running firewalld and not all of the VM's are on the same zone from the firewall's perspective
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3587 [20:36:37] <jelly> tharkun, for a quick and dirty test, you already have a tmpfs mounted at /dev/shm/ and can mkdir a directory there and put stuff in it
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3590 [20:36:41] <johnkeates> got some fixing to do
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3594 [20:38:50] <tharkun> johnkeates: You need to check your firewalls. It is a pain but a simple mistake can screw of udp. Also if you use conntrack on iptables make sure you do not track udp since it is stateless.
3595 [20:39:03] <tharkun> jelly: working on it thanks
3596 [20:41:32] <johnkeates> yeah, i covered UDP (or better yet: left it alone) on iptables and pf-based firewalls (have BSD here as well), but the firewalld needs to extra attention
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3599 [20:42:21] <johnkeates> normally i'd boot firewalld off and revert to normal iptables but it's integrated already and learning something about it isn't so bad
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3604 [20:45:26] <Doyle> Hey. In Debian Jessie, does having rules like "user.* -/var/log/user.log" cause logs from syslog to be duplicated there?
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3622 [20:51:44] <tharkun> johnkeates: If your default policy is DROP you need to fix it to allow UDP
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3624 [20:52:27] <johnkeates> yeah, most of the defaults on my kerberos systems are drop/deny/ignore/blackhole, most of the system is running read-only too
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3638 [20:56:16] <jelly> Doyle: it's the other way round, /var/log/syslog is a catch-all log so everything else is duplicated there :-)
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3643 [20:56:57] <jelly> user.log just has logs from that facility
3644 [20:57:58] <Doyle> Ah, beauty. Thanks jelly
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3647 [20:59:48] <jak2000> hi all wich variable of the user 'jak' need modify for can type: ifconfig? only work sudo ifconfig thanks
3648 [21:00:13] <greycat> jak2000: PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbin
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3652 [21:01:46] <jak2000> greycat the file is: /home/jak/.profile ?
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3654 [21:02:03] <greycat> That depends on how you log in. Do you log in on the text console, or with a GUI?
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3656 [21:02:47] <jak2000> text console
3657 [21:02:54] <jelly> jak2000: the "ip" command is in your path and has much of the same functionality
3658 [21:03:05] <greycat> OK, then most likely you want /home/jak/.bash_profile but it will also try for .bash_login or .profile (in that order).
3659 [21:03:29] <jak2000> ahhh right jelly
3660 [21:03:48] <jelly> also it's easier to type "ip a" than "ifconfig -a" or "ip r" instead of "route -n"
3661 [21:03:53] <greycat> It's still good to understand how your PATH and your dot files work, even if you do switch over to ip.
3662 [21:03:58] <jak2000> the file /home/jak/.bash_profile <--- is empty?
3663 [21:04:09] <greycat> That's weird. It shouldn't be.
3664 [21:04:16] <jak2000> arghh
3665 [21:04:21] <jak2000> ok return, need disconnect
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3675 [21:08:09] <donald> how to activate iptables rules
3676 [21:08:32] <donald> how to activate iptables rules added with iptables -A
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3679 [21:08:51] <markybob> it's instant
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3707 [21:18:02] <barabang> has anyone here installed Debian on a chromebook?
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3715 [21:20:47] <dTal> barabang: you mean the eMMC, or just an SD card? I've done the latter
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3717 [21:21:05] <dTal> also what kind of Chromebook?
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3724 [21:24:02] <barabang> dTal eMMC?
3725 [21:25:22] <dTal> internal flash memory. Did you google "debian chromebook" by any chance?
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3727 [21:26:41] <ryouma> i am enabling trim in crypttab. do i also need to do anything at boot time for the root partition? arch wiki says this but i do not know what it is talkinga bout so probably it is arch-only. what does one do on debian? "To add support during boot, you will need to add :allow-discards to the cryptdevice option. The TRIM option may look like this: cryptdevice=/dev/sdaX:root:allow-discards"
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3731 [21:28:52] <barabang> dTal yes, and I got a few pages about running it in a chroot environment
3732 [21:28:59] <barabang> I tried it and replaced-url
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3735 [21:30:50] <jmcnaught> ryouma: my crypttab line with discard looks like: sdb3_crypt UUID=DRINKMORECOFFE none luks,discard
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3737 [21:31:13] <noqnio1> hey. I am currently running jessie stable, and would like to switch to testing. I have installed prop Nvidia drivers from jessie backports. Will this be a problem when upgrading?
3738 [21:31:27] <dTal> and did you do what the error message told you to do?
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3740 [21:32:07] <barabang> dTal I wasn't sure what to do after seeing that error message, so I just entered an update command
3741 [21:32:15] <barabang> I wanted to add xiwi anyway
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3748 [21:33:48] <dTal> if it successfully downloaded lots of other packages but barfed on xscreensaver you probably just need to either update or switch mirrors
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3751 [21:34:12] <dTal> I very occasionally find random packages are missing from a particular mirror
3752 [21:34:26] <dTal> probably not synced yet or something
3753 [21:34:48] <jmcnaught> ryouma: by the way did you check the warnings at the top of replaced-url
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3756 [21:35:27] <barabang> dTal how would I be able to do that? Sorry, I'm quite a newbie really
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3758 [21:35:43] <dTal> I don't know what script you're trying to run.
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3760 [21:36:25] <dTal> Generally, there's a file called /etc/apt/sources.list or similar, which has the mirrors in it.
3761 [21:36:34] <jmcnaught> barabang: which release of Debian are you trying to install? If you're a newbie you should be installing Jessie. Testing/stretch has its own set of complications
3762 [21:36:46] <barabang> shit
3763 [21:36:51] <barabang> I did Stretch
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3765 [21:37:05] <dTal> oh wait a minute you're on httpredir anyway
3766 [21:37:09] <dTal> hrm
3767 [21:37:09] <ryouma> jmcnaught: as long as crypttab is sufficient, i am happy. my only remaining question is swap. should i enable discard on swap, or is that silly? swap /dev/sdb7 /dev/urandom cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256,swap. will look at the optimization page now.
3768 [21:37:27] <dTal> ignore me
3769 [21:38:01] <barabang> dTal nuts sorry
3770 [21:38:09] <barabang> script?
3771 [21:38:30] <donald> how to list active firewall rules ??
3772 [21:38:44] <barabang> right, but I'm aware of that file in Ubuntu because I tried editing it to install a newer version of R
3773 [21:38:51] <greycat> iptables -L
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3776 [21:39:57] <barabang> hopefully stretch will let me get a new r version
3777 [21:40:17] <jmcnaught> ryouma: are you using LVM? My swap is part of the the LVM VG that is contained in a single luks volume. So I unlock the luks volume at boot, and rootfs, /home, and swap are all part of it
3778 [21:40:52] <donald> greycat: iptables -L list the modified rules.. which are not active.. those will be activated at the time of reboot or iptables restart
3779 [21:41:05] <greycat> You are completely mistaken. iptables -L shows the current rules.
3780 [21:41:10] <donald> greycat: i am asking about current rules of the firewall
3781 [21:41:15] <greycat> Yes. Those.
3782 [21:41:26] <jmcnaught> ryouma: there is a note about discards in the swapon(8) man page. Currently I have a script doing fstrim every week (or month?) on my ext4 filesystems, not for swap though
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3784 [21:42:06] <ryouma> jmcnaught: i'm not using lvm, just luks on raw partitions. so i have unencrypted boot, and encrypted luks on raw partition root.
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3786 [21:42:53] <donald> greycat: here is the output of iptables -L command
3787 [21:42:55] <donald> udp -- any any anywhere anywhere udp dpts:sip:5090
3788 [21:42:55] <donald> 16 904 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere tcp dpts:sip:5090
3789 [21:43:06] <jmcnaught> ryouma: LVM inside luks is really convenient. single passphrase to unlock, everything including swap is encrypted (but not /boot). This is how the debian installer configures it
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3792 [21:43:18] <teraflops> /usr/share/doc/util-linux/examples/fstrim.{service,timer} are fine for doing automated trim via systemd
3793 [21:43:19] <greycat> (Don't paste large data sets here. Use replaced-url
3794 [21:43:43] <donald> but if i try to access with telnet or check with replaced-url
3795 [21:43:59] <greycat> telnet isn't UDP.
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3798 [21:44:46] <greycat> Beyond that, I'm not an expert on iptables. If you have questions that #debian can't answer, try #netfilter.
3799 [21:44:51] <donald> greycat: see 2nd line ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere tcp dpts:sip:5090
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3801 [21:45:25] <teraflops> also if behind nat (home network) most ISP block telnet or at least the router firewall blocks it (not sure if it's your case)
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3803 [21:45:46] <greycat> He didn't even say which port he tested using telnet, *let alone* from where.
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3805 [21:45:57] <donald> greycat: i wanted to list the rules which are currently active.. (rules becomes active after iptables restart or system reboot)
3806 [21:46:07] <greycat> And his "iptables -L" output was only 2 lines which is just not possible. Mine is 8 lines (2 of them blank) and I have *no* firewall rules at all.
3807 [21:46:28] <donald> greycat: 2 lines i copied from the output
3808 [21:46:40] <greycat> donald: if you don't believe me when I quote the man page and tell you that iptables -L shows the current rules, then go ask #netfilter
3809 [21:46:56] <teraflops> donald: then paste the whole output
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3811 [21:47:09] <teraflops> to paste debian not here directly
3812 [21:47:11] <ryouma> jmcnaught: i found lvm too much to understand all the potential issues with lvm at the time. i find my current setup pretty good, and understandable and fixable by myself, which lvm would be more effort to do in my case. does my non-lvm setup have implications for trim?
3813 [21:47:30] <donald> greycat: you are right.. but those listed rules are only applied after iptabels-restart or system reboot
3814 [21:47:40] <ryouma> also, thank you for the warnings. from the warnings and the bug report, i don't understand the implications of whether my device is affected or not. my device is a crucial mx100, which hwinfo thinks is "Model: "Crucial_CT512MX1"".
3815 [21:47:43] <ryouma> jmcnaught:
3816 [21:47:51] <donald> till u restart old rules ae in effect
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3818 [21:48:03] <greycat> I don't know where you got this notion.
3819 [21:48:11] <donald> i want to get currently active effective rules
3820 [21:48:24] <greycat> Ask whoever told you this lie to give you the truth instead.
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3823 [21:49:06] <donald> teraflops: iptables -L lists the modified rules.. but those becomes active only after iptables restart or system reboot
3824 [21:49:13] <greycat> Hint, the word restart does not appear in the iptables man page.
3825 [21:49:13] <koollman> donald: nope
3826 [21:49:29] <greycat> donald: repeating the same wrong thing over and over does not make it true.
3827 [21:50:04] <jmcnaught> ryouma: i wouldn't bother enabling trim at all on that device until you figure out if it works on it
3828 [21:50:05] <donald> greycat: i listed the rules with -L
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3830 [21:50:32] <donald> i telnet those ports listed there
3831 [21:50:37] <donald> which are shown open
3832 [21:50:42] <jmcnaught> ryouma: the point of me mentioning LVM is that it handles the encrypted swap really easily (without needing to take extra steps to make sure swap is encrypted)
3833 [21:50:46] <ryouma> jmcnaught: i already tried fstrim --all -v on it, and seems to work on the partitions i did it on (/boot and an unused partition.)
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3836 [21:51:02] <donald> but can telnet only 5060 but not 5080 or 5066
3837 [21:51:14] <donald> in rules it is showing 5060:5090
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3839 [21:51:33] <koollman> donald: so, something is is not letting you connect, but not this firewall rule
3840 [21:51:36] <ryouma> jmcnaught: ah, yeah i'm sure lvm is really convenient. it's just that a known-working system i have is preferable to me than something i'd have to understand a lot better before i could trust that i could fix it myself.
3841 [21:51:37] <teraflops> ryouma: or just use the ~90% of the disk (leave ~10% unpartitioned) and forget about trim
3842 [21:51:42] <koollman> donald: is there something currently listening on the port ?
3843 [21:51:49] <greycat> Since you didn't actually show us ALL of your rules, we have no way to diagnose your problem.
3844 [21:52:07] <donald> koolman: no
3845 [21:52:19] <ryouma> teraflops: already used all the disk, and don't know how to unpartition. i don't think just wiping a partition will do it; there would have to be a hardware command.
3846 [21:52:24] <teraflops> nor the rules nor if it's behind nat etc...
3847 [21:52:29] <koollman> donald: so ... what is the problem ? nothing to connect to, no connection established.
3848 [21:52:51] <ryouma> teraflops: (i have a free partition, but i already used it.)
3849 [21:52:52] <teraflops> ryouma: is a good trick for e.g doing zfs in ssd
3850 [21:53:09] <teraflops> ryouma: nope, it has to be unpartitioned
3851 [21:53:22] <ryouma> i'm ok with not enabling trim on swap if enabling trim on other partitions is good enough
3852 [21:53:24] <teraflops> i have the feeling I invented that word ...
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3856 [21:54:04] <donald> greycat: here is outopu replaced-url
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3858 [21:54:36] <ryouma> jmcnaught: i don't understand the warning, but it seems like the bug report already addresses the breakage problem by "blacklisting" certain models?
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3864 [21:56:17] <greycat> Now, I am not an iptables guy, but ... this fail2ban-freeswitch-tcp chain. It says "RETURN" all any any anywhere anywhere.
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3867 [21:56:58] <donald> greycat: then how i can access 5060
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3870 [21:58:15] <greycat> I don't know. Ask #netfilter.
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3872 [21:58:42] <jmcnaught> ryouma: it looks like the blacklisting of samsung 800 series ssds was backported to the 3.16 kernel in jessie, not sure if the same happened for your device or not
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3874 [21:58:56] <axc1298> anyone know of a program in debian repos to track stocks? like windows and osx both have a stocks app but can't find one for linux
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3876 [21:59:14] <ryouma> axc1298: gnucash and ledger
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3879 [21:59:49] <axc1298> ryouma: those programs show current stock prices?
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3881 [21:59:56] <axc1298> i thought they are money management
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3886 [22:02:40] <axc1298> yea just double checked. those don't do it
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3888 [22:05:11] <jak2000> jmcnaught, greycat cat: /home/jak/.bash_profile: No such file or directory
3889 [22:05:29] <greycat> OK, then it won't read that file.
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3891 [22:05:44] <greycat> As I said, bash tries that one first, then .bash_login and then .profile
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3894 [22:06:09] <ryouma> axc1298: oic
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3907 [22:14:01] <avis-> does broker mean part time and is that why ipv6 most insecure hot topic technology ?
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3909 [22:14:22] <avis-> and by broker do they mean biggest buck which also mean i intimidate you ?
3910 [22:14:31] <greycat> avis-: Markov chain spam bot?
3911 [22:14:37] <avis-> sincere question
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3913 [22:15:18] <avis-> oops do i
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3915 [22:15:24] <TomTomTosch> avis-: you might want to keep it to #d-o.
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3917 [22:15:29] <jak2000> greycat: replaced-url
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3919 [22:15:42] <avis-> i told you freenode set me up for murder Tom
3920 [22:16:19] <greycat> jak2000: OK, fine, so you know which file to use.
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3925 [22:17:15] <johannix> anyone using a laptop they can recommend? replaced-url
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3927 [22:17:58] <barabang> donald your output earlier looks like an e.e.cummings poem
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3930 [22:19:02] <ryouma> jmcnaught: well, i am totally confused re the mx100 and which kernel versions will protect it, and don't know how to find out which firmware it runs, and whether that is necessary either, so i will reverse all my trim changes and just not trim for now, i think. thanks for the warning.
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3933 [22:20:04] <jmcnaught> johannix: used laptops work great with Debian. Thinkpad X220 has an mSATA slot and the classic keyboard, can be found for $200-300. Also ##hardware is probably a better place to ask
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3935 [22:21:00] <radw> hello, i still cant mount a nfsv3 share in debian
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3938 [22:21:47] <jmcnaught> ryouma: probably a good idea to hold off until you know more
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3941 [22:22:24] <radw> the rpcinfo -p of server shows the portmapper, mountd and nfs
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3943 [22:22:59] <johannix> @jmcnaught: thanks! I'll try ##hardware. Ya, Thinkpad's seem to be a natural choice.
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3957 [22:27:13] <ryouma> jmcnaught: if you have a firmware upgrade, then presumably that fixes it? i.e. this is a hardware problem not a software one?
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3960 [22:28:02] <greycat> radw: does it work between two Debian systems? Does it only fail when you're trying to mount between Debian and Microsoft Windows + freenfs?
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3962 [22:29:10] <H4ndy> soooo will Jessie get OpenSSL 1.0.2 eventually backported? Anyone got a crystal ball at hand?
3963 [22:29:13] <radw> greycat: it dont fail between an esxi (vmware hypervisor as nfs client) and the freenfs (server)
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3966 [22:30:06] <radw> i dont try between two debians as client and server yet yet
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3968 [22:30:59] <jmcnaught> ryouma: there might be a firmware upgrade for your device that fixes it, and if yours isn't listed in the blacklist maybe it's not one of the problematic ones. My SSD (crucial mx200) seems to be fine so I don't know a lot of the details, but yes it's a hardware problem that the kernel works around
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3972 [22:33:53] <drmagoo> Has anyone here done a upgrade of unstable today (or within the last few hours). I get a dependecie (for tipa and tex-common) when trying to upgrade now.
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3982 [22:36:39] <kisisten> hi, is HISTCONTROL being set for accounts by default in debian?
3983 [22:36:56] <greycat> You can check /etc/skel/.* and see, but I doubt it.
3984 [22:37:28] <drmagoo> dependencie-problem*
3985 [22:37:30] <kisisten> greycat: skel has the variable but no export. so I'm confused
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3987 [22:37:46] <greycat> Ah, I'm wrong. It's in /etc/skel/.bashrc after all.
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3989 [22:38:01] <kisisten> greycat: but it never gets exported
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3992 [22:38:15] <greycat> Nor should it be.
3993 [22:38:26] <kisisten> greycat: why?
3994 [22:38:30] <greycat> Why would you export it when it's set for every shell in .bashrc?
3995 [22:38:39] <greycat> It means nothing to non-bash processes.
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3997 [22:38:52] <drmagoo> Never mind, saw now that its downloading from two diffrent repos, one must not be fully updated yet =)
3998 [22:38:59] <kisisten> greycat: so why do I get the dups then?
3999 [22:39:48] <greycat> Maybe you aren't using the default .bashrc in your account.
4000 [22:39:49] <kisisten> my .bashrc is the one from /etc/skel
4001 [22:40:01] <greycat> Is it set in your shell? declare -p HISTCONTROL
4002 [22:40:56] <kisisten> greycat: hmmm, it is, I must've changed something recently
4003 [22:43:01] <greycat> If you have declare -- HISTCONTROL="ignoreboth" in your current shell, and you type a command beginning with a space, and then type history|tail, do you get the command with the space?
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4009 [22:44:40] <kisisten> greycat: nope, so it seems to work
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4012 [22:45:39] <kisisten> greycat: but if i look at my .bash_history, there is a bunch of duplicates
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4019 [22:47:11] <greycat> kisisten: It's possible those were written at a time you didn't have HISTCONTROL set in your shell.
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4053 [22:57:59] <kisisten> greycat: got you, thanks
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4090 [23:10:28] <mllie> find /var/lib/php5/ -depth -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) ! -execdir fuser -s {} 2>/dev/null \; -delete
4091 [23:10:30] <mllie> What does the last part after maxlifetime do?
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4102 [23:13:28] <ipatrol> Ok, I was going through an old bug report for KDE and GPG, and I came across something I think the project ought to know
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4104 [23:14:34] <ipatrol> I'll probably mention it to the mailing list, but since I don't follow any of the Debian lists I likely won't be able to keep up with it
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4107 [23:14:53] <nkuttler> ipatrol: add to the bug report
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4110 [23:16:26] <ipatrol> nkuttler: the downstream bug report I already replied to, but this is I think a broader issue with the Debian repository
4111 [23:16:44] <RoyK> what about?
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4113 [23:17:01] <jak2000> how to change the hostname?
4114 [23:17:15] <ipatrol> According to one of the GPG developers, gpg1 and gpg2 shouldn't be installed on the same system simultaneously
4115 [23:17:18] <RoyK> jak2000: vi /etc/hostname
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4120 [23:17:46] <ipatrol> yet this ends up being a common setup due to packages that depend on one version or another
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4127 [23:19:00] <ipatrol> and it may be responsible for a number of hard-to-resolve bugs in the operation of various programs, most of which are still unresolved
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4130 [23:19:41] <jak2000> RoyK for thake the effect of change: /etc/hostname ?
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4139 [23:22:11] <RoyK> jak2000: hostname -F /etc/hostname
4140 [23:22:14] <jmcnaught> jak2000: you probably also want to change /etc/mailname, and consider regenerating SSH host keys, among other things: replaced-url
4141 [23:22:22] <ipatrol> RoyK: considering that gpg2 provides a strict superset of gpg1's functions, I would suggest that the gpg2 package add a Provides/Conflicts/Replaces with gpg1, and that all the v1 binaries and libs be symlinked to their v2 versions, after running some tests to make sure this won't break things
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4143 [23:22:54] <RoyK> ipatrol: makes sense
4144 [23:23:47] <ipatrol> gpg1 should remain in the repository for the benefit of embedded systems, but most desktop and server users should be switched over to gpg2
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4146 [23:24:07] <jak2000> ok, thanks to all
4147 [23:24:39] <lenovobrightness> Hello all. Does somebody use thinkpads?
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4150 [23:25:21] <RoyK> ipatrol: why keep it for embedded stuff_
4151 [23:25:22] <RoyK> ?
4152 [23:25:25] <TomTomTosch> !ask
4153 [23:25:25] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
4154 [23:25:53] <ipatrol> RoyK: it has a much smaller binary, which is why gpg2 was made as a seperate project in the first place
4155 [23:25:54] <RoyK> TomTomTosch: perhaps pipe that to the relevant user ;)
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4159 [23:26:46] <RoyK> ipatrol: embedded systems today usually have a bunch of memory and disk space - quite suitable for storing gpg2
4160 [23:27:03] <dTal> I bet lenovobrightness has a problem with their brightness keys
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4163 [23:27:25] <ipatrol> RoyK: the router that I'm using right now to communicate with you doesn't have "a bunch" of either
4164 [23:27:36] <dTal> I do use a Thinkpad but sadly my brightness keys have always worked
4165 [23:27:49] <lenovobrightness> dTal no I would have fix it if it would have been that
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4167 [23:28:09] <jml2> dTal, my brightness keys always work because i have a lamp in the background
4168 [23:28:16] <lenovobrightness> dTal so my problem is the brigthness used at system start
4169 [23:28:41] <dTal> ah yes, too dim right? mine does that too
4170 [23:28:42] <lenovobrightness> dTal when you start the thinkpad you see thinkpad logo, and in my t520 until the os loads maximum brightness is used and that burns my eyes
4171 [23:28:50] <dTal> wrong again :p
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4174 [23:28:55] <lenovobrightness> no too bright xD
4175 [23:29:06] <lenovobrightness> I'd love if it would be too dim!
4176 [23:29:31] <dTal> you say "until the OS loads"
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4178 [23:29:33] <ipatrol> RoyK: this is, btw, why stuff like uClibc and BusyBox exist. There are very, very small embedded systems in use, a number of which are downstream from Debian
4179 [23:29:37] <lenovobrightness> there's no way to change in bios, I updated the bios and got nothing but a beep feedback that can't be disabled(it's already disabled)
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4181 [23:29:59] <dTal> which would sort of imply this isn't something that can be fixed in Debian
4182 [23:30:09] <Tom01> Where can I see, if Debian supports Intel HD Graphics 2500?
4183 [23:30:10] <ipatrol> lenovobrightness: yeah, not a Linux problem
4184 [23:30:14] <lenovobrightness> of course I know
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4187 [23:30:21] <ipatrol> lenovobrightness: so why ask here?
4188 [23:30:25] <lenovobrightness> I'm wondering if you guys know how to fix it
4189 [23:30:30] <lenovobrightness> because I'm using debian
4190 [23:30:50] <lenovobrightness> and because lenovo sure doesn't tell a solution
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4192 [23:31:23] <ipatrol> lenovobrightness: this isn't a general support channel, and tbh the only answer would probably be to flash your BIOS with coreboot, assuming your architecture is supported
4193 [23:31:32] <dTal> I guess you could figure out which boot script is responsible for setting the brightness and move it up? Burning your eyes less?
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4198 [23:33:07] <RoyK> ipatrol: I don't really like those systems - it doesn't cost a lot for a rpi-like setup
4199 [23:33:31] <lenovobrightness> dTal I could try but seems that no script is called, because that's before even the os loads. It affects just system logo and grub2
4200 [23:34:08] <ryouma> what kernel version is this? replaced-url
4201 [23:35:01] <dTal> yep only fix is BIOS or sunglasses, sorry
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4203 [23:35:43] <lenovobrightness> do usually bios let change these settings?
4204 [23:35:45] <ryouma> or more specifically, is that source code newer than the kernel in jessie?
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4206 [23:35:58] <dimitry7> hey guys
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4210 [23:36:26] <ipatrol> RoyK: doesn't matter if you like them or not. They exist, and they're everywhere. Many have to work in environments too small for Raspberry.
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4213 [23:37:28] <dimitry7> I'm running bind9 on jessie but nmap localhost doesn't show the domain port open, what's wrong?
4214 [23:37:58] <markybob> ryouma: 3.16.0 came out in aug 2014 and that's may 2015. however, jessie-backports has 4.5 which is newer
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4216 [23:38:19] <lenovobrightness> dTal could it be fixed by using coreboot?
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4218 [23:38:39] <dTal> Probably, never used it
4219 [23:38:45] <dTal> what thinkpad you got?
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4222 [23:39:12] <ipatrol> dimitry7: did you check your iptables?
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4225 [23:39:32] <dimitry7> ipatrol, yeah I have port 53 open to anywhere
4226 [23:39:47] <lenovobrightness> dTal t520
4227 [23:40:02] <lenovobrightness> dTal seems a problem of x220(I've got a forum thread if you want to see)
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4229 [23:40:09] <ipatrol> dimitry7: did you make sure to use -sU in the scan options?
4230 [23:40:30] <dimitry7> ipatrol, amm, nope, let me run it
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4232 [23:40:58] <ipatrol> dimitry7: nmap doesn't scan UDP services like DNS by default, use `nmap -sU -p 53 localhost`
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4235 [23:41:39] <ryouma> markybob: thank you. 4.5 does not boot for me. it hangs trying to mount things, even though 3.16 does not (anymore)
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4239 [23:42:23] <lokien> hey guys, I have a brand new computer and I need a stable distribution for developing in rust. will debian be a good fit?
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4241 [23:42:32] <dimitry7> ipatrol, done, it doesn't show it
4242 [23:42:38] <markybob> ryouma: did you build it yourself?
4243 [23:42:43] <dimitry7> ipatrol, I have this: listen-on { 172.18.8.6; 192.168.1.95; };
4244 [23:42:51] <FinalX> dimitry7: are you sure it's listening?
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4246 [23:42:56] <FinalX> lsof -ni
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4248 [23:43:08] <dimitry7> FinalX, ok let me pastebin
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4254 [23:43:40] <dimitry7> FinalX, see: replaced-url
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4256 [23:44:23] <FinalX> I only see it listen on 192.168.1.95 in there, at the bottom
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4258 [23:44:33] <FinalX> you need to look for :domain there
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4260 [23:44:37] <dimitry7> FinalX, and see: replaced-url
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4263 [23:44:56] <dimitry7> ohhh right
4264 [23:45:03] <FinalX> of course, because localhost is not 192.168.1.95 but 127.0.0.1 / ::1
4265 [23:45:09] <FinalX> and it's not listening on it
4266 [23:45:15] <dimitry7> oh my god!
4267 [23:45:17] <dimitry7> you are right!
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4269 [23:45:27] <FinalX> you'll probably have more luck with: nmap -sU -p 53 192.168.1.95
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4272 [23:46:43] <dimitry7> FinalX, done! it resolves now :)
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4274 [23:46:51] <dimitry7> okay let me do ti
4275 [23:46:52] <dimitry7> it
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4278 [23:47:23] <dimitry7> FinalX, 53/udp open domain
4279 [23:47:26] <dimitry7> thank you!! :)
4280 [23:48:34] <dimitry7> FinalX, do you know what i notice? that it is slow responding
4281 [23:48:52] <ipatrol> lokien: Debian usually makes a great environment for development
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4283 [23:49:17] <lokien> ipatrol: wouldn't it be too outdated though? rust is a young language
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4285 [23:49:32] <lokien> I thought about using debian testing as a rolling release
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4287 [23:49:59] <ipatrol> lokien: I'm pretty sure the stable repository already includes plenty of Rust development packages
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4290 [23:50:07] <ipatrol> and there are backports too
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4292 [23:50:08] <ryouma> markybob: no, just enabled backports
4293 [23:50:28] <ryouma> markybob: and apt-get-install
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4295 [23:50:37] <TomTomTosch> ,checkbackport rustc
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4297 [23:50:43] <lokien> ipatrol: oh well, there is rust 1.8 in the packages! thank you
4298 [23:50:43] <judd> Backporting package rustc in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: antlr4, llvm-3.7-dev, llvm-3.7-tools.
4299 [23:50:50] <grimsley> Bit of a silly question but why doesn't Debian include leafpad as a default text editor when installing lxqt (through testing)?
4300 [23:51:07] <lokien> btw, do you prefer aptitude over apt-get? or something else?
4301 [23:51:28] <TomTomTosch> lokien: building it on stable will not be easy. there is no package in stable.
4302 [23:51:40] <markybob> i'd donate $500 to debian if people started reading the /topic
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4304 [23:51:43] <lokien> TomTomTosch: oops I looked at stretch
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4307 [23:52:07] <TomTomTosch> lokien: not sure how well the tarball from rust-lang.org works.
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4311 [23:52:40] <lokien> TomTomTosch: usually we get it with the rustup script
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4313 [23:53:18] <TomTomTosch> lokien: no idea about rust. just saying that there is no package and the one in sid does not build on jessie.
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4316 [23:53:48] <lokien> TomTomTosch: thank you then
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4320 [23:54:53] <TomTomTosch> lokien: good luck. the thing with debian stable is that new packages get only included through backports. it has its pros and cons.
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4323 [23:55:42] <lokien> TomTomTosch: will I have any issues with my hardware though? no fancy gpu
4324 [23:57:31] <TomTomTosch> lokien: official debian does not include non-free firmware so wifi is a problem sometimes. graphics work fine most of the time.
4325 [23:57:50] <lokien> TomTomTosch: I'll use the nonfree iso
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4329 [23:59:28] <TomTomTosch> lokien: should be fine then. if not, you know where to find us :P
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