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• 13[00:09:13] <aaronm04> I copied an x86_64 debian live .iso to a flash drive and it boots on an old (non-UEFI) laptop but not my new UEFI laptop. How can I get it to boot on the latter?
• 14[00:09:17] <zykotick9> x-fak: did you read replaced-url
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• 17[00:09:53] <zykotick9> aaronm04: Debian's Live media doesn't support UEFI... i'd suggest using the installer (if that's what you're doing)
• 18[00:10:10] <aaronm04> ah, so the problem is not with using .iso files in general?
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• 21[00:10:37] <zykotick9> aaronm04: Live = YES... netinst = NO...
• 22[00:10:44] <aaronm04> zykotick9: thanks!
• 23[00:10:59] <zykotick9> aaronm04: cd1/dvd1 also work with UEFI (not JUST netinst)
• 24[00:11:08] <aaronm04> I wanted to 1) try out different desktop environments, and then 2) install Debian on my new laptop. I guess I can do #1 on the old laptop
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• 27[00:12:16] <consolejazz> my `/etc/apt-sources.list` file contains the following replaced-url
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• 31[00:13:19] <consolejazz> *should* I be doing it for both lines.. so that I ensure the package and any dependencies also get security updates (if that's how things actually work on that second line)?
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• 33[00:14:28] <x-fak> zykotick9 , i've read it now
• 34[00:14:47] <x-fak> i understand better
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• 63[00:27:36] <Dagger> if I do `sudo -i` to get a root shell, then bash-completion is available. but if I then do `bash` to get a subshell, bash-completion isn't available
• 64[00:27:40] <Dagger> does that seem sane/right?
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• 66[00:29:13] <Dagger> am I expected to just never start random subshells, or always start them with `bash -l` or something?
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• 75[00:32:10] <markybob> Dagger: works here. you probably don't have the bash-completion crap in /root/.bashrc like you do in /home/user/.bashrc
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• 77[00:32:43] <sphalerite> Dagger: what markybob said. You could try bash -x to see exactly what is happening when it starts up
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• 81[00:34:39] <Dagger> markybob: that's correct, but why is the bash-completion stuff in ~user/.bashrc at all when it's also in /etc/profile.d/?
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• 83[00:34:55] <sphalerite> Dagger: profile only gets sourced on login shells.
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• 85[00:35:16] <sphalerite> Dagger: you'd want it in /etc/bash.bashrc
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• 87[00:35:45] <Dagger> so why's it in /etc/profile.d/ and not /etc/bash.bashrc?
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• 90[00:36:03] <markybob> he just told you the difference
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• 92[00:36:24] <markybob> or you could just learn to type :P
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• 94[00:36:53] <markybob> you cant tell me apt-g<tab> is that much faster than apt-get
• 95[00:37:12] <Dagger> I'm just trying to work out why things are as they are :p
• 96[00:37:52] <Dagger> markybob: it's things like `invoke-rc.d <name>` where bash-completion is useful
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• 98[00:38:01] <sphalerite> markybob: you get that completion regardless. What's useful is completing for instance package names after apt-get install
• 99[00:38:01] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> maybe not but apt-g<tab> in<tab> build-e<tab> could save an amount of time on the order of 2 seconds
• 100[00:38:20] * markybob pukes
• 101[00:38:21] <Dagger> but what I'm really trying to do is source all the scripts in ~/.bash_aliases.d/, and I'm trying to work out where I'm supposed to do it from
• 102[00:38:23] <sphalerite> Dagger: I don't know why it's in profile.d, but it's also in bash.bashrc, just commended out
• 103[00:38:46] <Dagger> and then I thought "hey, bash-completion is just a bunch of aliases too. how does that get loaded into every shell?"
• 104[00:38:48] <sphalerite> Dagger: ~/.bashrc if you want it for the individual user, /etc/bash.bashrc if you want it for all users.
• 105[00:38:59] <sphalerite> nah, bash_completion isn't aliases
• 106[00:39:05] <Dagger> and it turns out it doesn't. and the loading which does happen seems like it's a mess
• 107[00:39:18] <Dagger> functions*
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• 109[00:39:34] <sphalerite> anyway, if you want a really nice shell use zsh or fish :p
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• 112[00:40:13] <sphalerite> Is there a way to get grub working on debian using the linuxefi/initrdefi commands rather than linux/initrd? As is, grub complains about an invalid signature / no signature (can't remember the exact error message, but it's regarding signatures either way). I don't think I can disable secure boot on my machine (it's a mac).
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• 114[00:40:31] <Dagger> I tried zsh. I couldn't get over how its "alt+N alt+." pasting numbered the arguments in the reverse order to bash
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• 118[00:42:18] <Dagger> so is the conclusion just that bash-completion loading in Debian is buggy unless you manually fix it?
• 119[00:42:36] <Dagger> or is it me that's wrong for expecting `bash` to give me another functioning shell?
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• 121[00:43:19] <markybob> it works if you manually fix it. at least on my box that i just tested. now i'm removing it :P
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• 128[00:45:33] <Kruser328> Hello. I am using a LUKS-encrypted device and when I boot I get this error message: "Begin: Mounting root file system ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ... lvmetad is not active yet, using direct activation during sysinit Volume group "vgubuntu" not found Cannot process volume group vgubuntu"
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• 130[00:45:39] <Kruser328> Can somebody help me?
• 131[00:45:50] <markybob> Kruser328: no. #ubuntu can
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• 135[00:46:53] <Dagger> my _real_ real problem is that I can't see a sane way to edit bash.bashrc from ansible, and there's no .d folder for it like there is profile.d so I can't just drop a file in somewhere
• 136[00:47:12] <Dagger> so I was kinda hoping that profile.d _was_ the right way to do this >.>
• 137[00:47:58] <adsergioad> hi there
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• 144[00:53:44] <x-fak> which task scheduler should we use into Debian v8? crontab?
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• 146[00:55:05] <markybob> x-fak: you can. or you can use timers. replaced-url
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• 149[00:55:56] <x-fak> markybob ok ty
• 150[00:55:59] <RoyK> damn - didn't know about those
• 151[00:56:06] * RoyK still uses cron
• 152[00:56:11] <markybob> RoyK: it's a brave new day...or something :P
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• 154[00:56:39] <RoyK> well, cron still works, even with its bad sides
• 155[00:56:50] <markybob> sure. nothing wrong with it if it does what you need
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• 164[01:04:02] <sphalerite> Dagger: zsh is very configurable, I'm sure the alt+N alt+. thing is just a default
• 165[01:04:11] <sphalerite> and it has the most wonderul completion
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• 168[01:05:09] <Dagger> sphalerite: I couldn't find an option for it. which wasn't helped by having no idea what the paste thing is actually called
• 169[01:05:33] <Dagger> sphalerite: honestly the main thing I want from zsh is multi-component path completion
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• 171[01:05:48] <Dagger> /e/n/i -> /etc/network/interfaces is so, so useful
• 172[01:06:21] <markybob> that wouldn't even work
• 173[01:06:40] <markybob> network/newt/nvidia/nwhatever
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• 175[01:06:48] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> that actually makes my brain hurt a little
• 176[01:06:55] <markybob> it's awfully painful
• 177[01:07:08] <Dagger> "/e/n/in" then
• 178[01:07:15] <markybob> still doesn't work
• 179[01:07:18] <Dagger> which would expand to /etc/network/interfaces{,d}
• 180[01:07:20] <Dagger> works in zsh
• 181[01:07:26] <markybob> let's learn how to use linux properly
• 182[01:07:28] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> tab-completion is one thing
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• 187[01:08:00] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> ambiguous referencing of directory names... oww
• 188[01:08:05] <Dagger> well, it depends whether you have any other files matching the glob /e*/n*/in*
• 189[01:08:10] <Dagger> I don't, so it'd work
• 190[01:08:32] <markybob> that's why it's insane. different machines will give you different results. you need to use basics
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• 192[01:08:43] <Dagger> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: it's not ambiguous if only one of the directories has a file beginning with "in" in it
• 193[01:09:04] <Dagger> markybob: that's true for all tab completion
• 194[01:09:10] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> Dagger: by ambiguous I just mean "not being explicit"
• 195[01:09:12] <markybob> yeah, so i don't use it
• 196[01:09:19] <markybob> but it's much better than what you're talking about
• 197[01:09:31] <sphalerite> why wouldn't you?
• 198[01:09:42] <Dagger> ok. well. I find tab completion kinda useful, so I do use it
• 199[01:10:09] <Dagger> it's just annoying to have to tab complete each individual path component one-by-one in bash when I know zsh has a multi-component complete that works fine
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• 201[01:10:12] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> Wait so I'm lost are you typing /e/n/in<tab> or /e<tab>/n<tab>/in<tab>?
• 202[01:10:25] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> the first one, right?
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• 204[01:10:27] <Dagger> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: in zsh? "/e/n/in<tab>"
• 205[01:10:29] <Dagger> yeah
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• 208[01:11:01] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> Yeah... at that point I'd just use an alias
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• 210[01:11:12] <markybob> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: amen
• 211[01:11:35] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> `cd /ein`->`cd /etc/network/interfaces`
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• 213[01:11:42] <Dagger> you can't make an alias for every file you might ever want to tab complete
• 214[01:12:11] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> no but I can hit tab more than once without breaking a sweat
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• 217[01:12:43] <Dagger> sure, so can I, it just gets annoying when you're slowly tab completing through a deep path and having to resolve ambiguous completes at every level
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• 219[01:13:11] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> Sure but what I don't understand is if /e/n/i is ambiguous
• 220[01:13:22] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> like if you have an /etc/nmap/
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• 224[01:13:39] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> */etc/namp/i.+
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• 226[01:13:57] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> then you'd have to start typing /e/ne/i
• 227[01:14:14] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> which you'd only learn if you used that path a lot
• 228[01:14:18] <Dagger> or "/e/n/inter<tab>" or something
• 229[01:14:24] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> sure
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• 231[01:14:44] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> maybe I'm just old-school
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• 233[01:15:32] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> maybe it's so engrained into my brain that one should complete paths one directory at a time
• 234[01:15:32] <Dagger> which would be far less annoying than what happens in bash, which is usually something like "/e<tab>/n<tab><tab><sigh>e<tab>/i<tab>"
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• 236[01:16:47] <Dagger> it feels like you're being interrupted constantly on every path component. it's much nicer to type multiple parts in at once
• 237[01:16:54] <Dagger> or at least, to be able to do so
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• 239[01:17:05] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> so I know that I have to type cd /home/d<tab>/.ss<tab> to get /home/devon/.ssh
• 240[01:17:17] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> which I do every so often
• 241[01:17:40] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> but with /opt/Projects it's /o<tab>/P<tab>
• 242[01:17:51] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> and then if I'm in one directory a lot
• 243[01:18:04] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> I'll create a symlink to the directory I'm working in
• 244[01:18:40] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> called /opt/Projects/zz that points -> /opt/Projects/ponychat/src/net/
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• 246[01:18:56] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> but if I don't use it a lot I'd rather walk the whole directory
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• 249[01:19:57] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> and see every /etc/n.+/ named directory so I know
• 250[01:20:01] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> what's where....
• 251[01:20:11] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> but I see where you're coming from
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• 255[01:21:16] <Dagger> you could always just do "/etc/n<tab>" if you really wanted to know...
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• 257[01:22:18] <Dagger> it's just annoying to get as far as "/e<tab>/n<tab>" and have bash present you with a list of possible completions, most of which you *know* are useless because you're about to add "/inter<tab>" and only one folder has that file in it
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• 259[01:22:44] <Dagger> but bash can't know that, because it has no way for you to tell it that
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• 262[01:23:36] <Dagger> and all those <tabs>. stop, start, stop, start... blegh
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• 264[01:25:20] <Dagger> this wasn't something I realized I wanted until I used it in zsh. but now I want it, and bash can't do it :(
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• 268[01:26:41] <Dagger> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: you might be interested in replaced-url
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• 282[01:34:21] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> Dagger: interesting.
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• 295[01:44:00] <voxadam> When serving files using NFSv4 is it still required/advisable to bind mount directories to a nfs root (e.g. /srv/exports/) before exporting them?
• 296[01:45:01] <voxadam> It's been quite a long time since I've configured an NFS server and I'm trying to be good and follow the best practices.
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• 312[01:53:34] <insidious> How can i change folder permissions in Debian 8 ?
• 313[01:53:57] <markybob> chmod/chown ...like on every *nix
• 314[01:54:00] <insidious> chmod -R 777
• 315[01:54:02] <insidious> this dont work
• 316[01:54:04] <insidious> like ubuntu
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• 319[01:54:17] <markybob> insidious: then you don't own it
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• 321[01:54:26] <insidious> ?
• 322[01:54:28] <markybob> insidious: thus chown
• 323[01:54:37] <insidious> chown
• 324[01:54:39] <insidious> no numbers?
• 325[01:55:04] <markybob> chown makes you own it (if you run it as sudo/root). chown userfoo:groupfoo
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• 327[01:55:13] <markybob> then you can chmod if you need
• 328[01:55:21] <markybob> man chown and man chmod for more info
• 329[01:55:47] <insidious> tells me im missing operand
• 330[01:56:06] <markybob> you need to give it the dir name afterwards
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• 332[01:56:19] <markybob> man them
• 333[01:57:11] <markybob> otherwise you will have insidious effects :P yes i had to
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• 335[01:57:47] <insidious> lol
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• 341[01:59:49] <jmcnaught> insidious: be really careful doing recursive permission changes, especially if setting to 777
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• 343[02:00:19] <nkuttler> never set anything to 777..
• 344[02:00:26] <insidious> jmnaught its for wraith
• 345[02:00:45] <insidious> i only do 777 because only way i know how to do it
• 346[02:01:20] <nkuttler> what is wraith?
• 347[02:01:27] <markybob> insidious: you should do a google for linux permissions. i'm sure there's a tutorial that's easier than manpages for you to understand
• 348[02:01:37] <insidious> its a botnet to seucre irc channels based on eggdrop
• 349[02:01:50] <nevyn> Dagger: the other thing is using the directory stack stuff.
• 350[02:01:51] <insidious> okay thanks
• 351[02:01:52] <nkuttler> ah yes, running irc stuff with 777, wonderful idea..
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• 353[02:02:04] <markybob> yeah, that sounds like hell in a handbasket
• 354[02:02:14] <insidious> well
• 355[02:02:17] <jmcnaught> insidious: read "man chmod" you can also use u+rw,g-rw syntax instead of numbers
• 356[02:02:18] <nevyn> Dagger: man pushd
• 357[02:02:38] <insidious> the bots are encrpted with sha1 salt for the bots
• 358[02:02:43] <insidious> so it wouldnt matter anyway
• 359[02:03:00] <markybob> no it matters. it matters hard.
• 360[02:03:01] <jmcnaught> insidious: 777 means "everyone can do anything with this file"
• 361[02:03:14] <insidious> right
• 362[02:03:22] <insidious> they would have to login to the box tho
• 363[02:03:29] <markybob> that bot/thing/whatever has a bug...they own it. they can do anything to it
• 364[02:03:31] <markybob> no they don't
• 365[02:03:42] <insidious> really?
• 366[02:03:48] <Dagger> nevyn: `pushd`/`popd` instead of `bash`/ctrl+d, you mean? those are useful, although I tend to rely on `cd -`
• 367[02:03:52] <insidious> what permission should i use?
• 368[02:04:04] <markybob> insidious: i'd read the docs it comes with. i'm sure it says
• 369[02:04:23] <insidious> thats the command said to do it on the website for the bot
• 370[02:04:36] <markybob> jesus
• 371[02:04:46] <jmcnaught> insidious: generally the best practice is to use the principle of least privilege.. only give just enough permission for it to work properly, nothing more
• 372[02:04:55] <Dagger> nevyn: it's usually more for things like virtualenvs (where you need to import into the current shell) that I do the subshell thing for though
• 373[02:05:01] <markybob> if the authors are that stupid stay away
• 374[02:05:12] <insidious> okay im going to look into file permissons to better understand it better
• 375[02:05:16] <insidious> thanks for the help
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• 378[02:05:29] <jmcnaught> insidious: there must be a better bot you can use. supybot is okay, and has a Debian package
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• 380[02:05:44] <insidious> okay ill check into it
• 381[02:05:47] <insidious> thanks again mate
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• 387[02:09:55] <sphalerite> What should I be putting in /etc/network/interfaces if I want to specify a configuration for an interface but not have ifup -a fail if the interface is missing?
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• 394[02:12:32] <dka> I have a SSH tunnel : ssha root@myhost.com A -L 8081:ip:8080, I am trying to contact the service using curl replaced-url
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• 404[02:22:01] <sphalerite> dka: what's "ip"?
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• 414[02:29:27] <jaymaker> Hey all
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• 418[02:38:04] <Dagger> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: mwahahahaha. check out what I did: replaced-url
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• 420[02:38:46] <Dagger> not properly tested at all, but source that (with bash-completion loaded), and "/e/n/in<tab>" will complete to "/etc/network/interfaces" :D
• 421[02:39:08] <Dagger> or as far as "/etc/n" if there's ambiguous matches
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• 425[02:39:39] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> Dagger: Dastardly.
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• 427[02:40:40] <Dagger> I really wasn't expecting it to be quite that simple (although it probably won't be once I find all the bugs, but hey)
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• 433[02:44:14] <zykotick9> Dagger: and this /e/n/in seems like a good idea to you?
• 434[02:44:47] <markybob> zykotick9: yeah don't even try. we talked about it at length :P
• 435[02:44:51] <Dagger> zykotick9: try it and see
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• 437[02:45:02] <Dagger> what's the worst that can happen with this, anyway?
• 438[02:45:15] <jaymaker> Hey marky
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• 474[03:15:17] <Devastator> if I decide to use Tomcat from their site instead of Debian's package, can I use a script like this one to start it up on boot? replaced-url
• 475[03:15:28] <awwal> A basic stuff but how to solve this: "mpv googleurl & ; exit" Trying to run mpv in the background (without terminal output) and close the terminal but mpv interprets & ; exit as a single argument
• 476[03:15:40] <awwal> single command ^
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• 481[03:16:37] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> mpv googleurl && exit
• 482[03:17:09] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> awwal: 1 && 2 says "do thing 1 if and only if thing 2 has successfully completed"
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• 487[03:18:14] <markybob> Devastator: then you'll get zero support from us
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• 489[03:18:52] <RoyK> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: better mpv googleurl & exit
• 490[03:18:53] <awwal> ac1dh0n3ycloud, that will not run mpv process in background and wterminal will still open + output :P
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• 492[03:19:12] <RoyK> no reason to use ; with &, btw
• 493[03:19:17] <Devastator> markybob unfortunately even the package from backports is not the latest :(
• 494[03:19:26] <markybob> Devastator: yes. welcome to debian.
• 495[03:20:11] <RoyK> Devastator: then setup a vm and install some new shiny stuff on that
• 496[03:20:16] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> RoyK: won't the exit happen and kill the child process (mpv)?
• 497[03:20:18] <RoyK> !nss
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• 499[03:20:32] <RoyK> !sns
• 500[03:20:32] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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• 502[03:20:52] <RoyK> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: disown
• 503[03:20:59] <RoyK> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: or use nohup
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• 505[03:21:18] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> RoyK: this isn't default behavior...?
• 506[03:21:19] <Devastator> RoyK hehe, I don't have that syndrome, but in terms of Java container I have to worry about, each release fixes loads of CVEs
• 507[03:21:33] <markybob> Devastator: no. security is backported
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• 512[03:22:51] <Devastator> RoyK also I want to thank you too, for your help yesterday
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• 515[03:23:23] <RoyK> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: the default is to give the process a SIGHUP when you exit the terminal. if you start it with nohup <someprocess>, it won't receive that SIGHUP. if you disown it, it will be detached from the termial
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• 517[03:23:31] <Devastator> I've fixed my VM issues by simply deleting the LV and creating it again
• 518[03:23:32] <RoyK> Devastator: np
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• 521[03:27:05] <awwal> excuses
• 522[03:28:28] <awwal> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud, Royk "mpv url & exit" work fine ;) thanks
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• 524[03:28:51] <RoyK> was that your password? ;)
• 525[03:29:18] <awwal> usernames?
• 526[03:29:28] <RoyK> btw, use nohup for that thing
• 527[03:29:43] <awwal> was tab completion error
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• 529[03:30:00] <Devastator> markybob yeah, I forgot that backports can have cherry-picked security patches, is there a channel where I can ask about which tomcat packages I need? I see there is tomcat8, then tomcat8-admin and tomcat8-user.. I have to edit server.xml and tomcat-users.xml, I don't know if just tomcat8 will have both
• 530[03:31:02] <markybob> Devastator: i don't know. i just know what debian has/does/supports. aside from that you're on your own.
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• 532[03:31:30] <Devastator> markybob thanks :)
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• 619[05:02:46] <aaronm04> So debian sid does not get security updates in a timely manner?
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• 621[05:02:55] <aaronm04> I read that on replaced-url
• 622[05:03:45] <dvs> nope, it's true
• 623[05:04:05] <markybob> aaronm04: you're asking in the wrong place. but no. testing doesn't. both get support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
• 624[05:04:28] <aaronm04> ah ok, thanks
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• 626[05:05:14] <jercos> it *may* wind up getting security patches in a timely manner from upstream, if the package is being kept up to date well.
• 627[05:05:33] <aaronm04> ah I see
• 628[05:05:48] <markybob> aaronm04: the real question is why the hell do you want/need security support for testing?
• 629[05:05:54] <markybob> aaronm04: or sid
• 630[05:05:56] <aaronm04> how out of date (compared to upstream) is debian stable?
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• 632[05:06:08] <markybob> aaronm04: do you understand what they are for?
• 633[05:06:21] <aaronm04> I'm trying to choose between running stable and testing, and I seem to recall that stable had a lot of packages out of date
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• 635[05:06:28] <markybob> aaronm04: couple of years. with security backports so it's safe
• 636[05:06:44] <JordiGH> Whenever I try to install the backported Linux, I get something about sda2 having a bad superblock.
• 637[05:06:54] <JordiGH> Like, when it's building the initrd.
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• 639[05:07:11] <markybob> JordiGH: you gave us zero info to work with. so, congrats
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• 641[05:07:34] <JordiGH> No, bad superblock, initrd, sda2, you got some info.
• 642[05:08:08] <JordiGH> Not a whole lot, but I wouldn't say "zero".
• 643[05:08:12] <markybob> JordiGH: no. i see nothing
• 644[05:08:16] <JordiGH> Zero would be like "i have a problem, help".
• 645[05:08:19] <JordiGH> Open your eyes.
• 646[05:08:27] <JordiGH> There are at least three pieces of information.
• 647[05:08:33] <markybob> JordiGH: okay. help yourself
• 648[05:08:33] <JordiGH> for example, the device name.
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• 652[05:11:18] <JordiGH> I can't c&p, but it's reading linux image, found initrd, then three kernel messages about bad superblock on sda2, two aabout invalid media (0xd4) then more kernel messages about no qnx4 filesystem, another about ufs: i didn't specify the type of my ufs filesystem.
• 653[05:11:36] <JordiGH> then what looks like a usage message about mount
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• 655[05:11:56] <JordiGH> And finally a warning about how the wrong ufstype may corrupt my filesystem.
• 656[05:12:05] <JordiGH> All of these things are kernel messages at the end.
• 657[05:12:05] <markybob> without exact things i don't know how you want us to help
• 658[05:12:20] <JordiGH> You're quite unwilling to help, don't even try.
• 659[05:12:24] <JordiGH> I'm not talking to you.
• 660[05:12:27] <markybob> hell you can take a screenshot with your cellphone
• 661[05:12:32] <JordiGH> I don't own a phone.
• 662[05:12:59] <markybob> write it on a piece of paper and go to paste.debian.net
• 663[05:13:01] <NoCode> Anyone know how I can change my alpine directory? Where would the config be, or is there a command I can use?
• 664[05:13:03] <JordiGH> Then initramfs says "done", after those kernel message.s
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• 666[05:13:18] <JordiGH> markybob: You really are not gonna get a lot more info from the exact messages.
• 667[05:13:36] <JordiGH> bad superblock, 0xd4, then more mumbo jumbo, then mkinitfs says 'done'
• 668[05:13:52] <JordiGH> What I don't even get is, wtf is sda2? I don't actually have an sda2 device.
• 669[05:14:19] <markybob> NoCode: probably -a? replaced-url
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• 672[05:15:25] <NoCode> markybob, errm, I mean Alpine EMail Client.
• 673[05:15:40] <markybob> NoCode: well then :P clarity
• 674[05:15:52] * NoCode is also googling
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• 676[05:16:47] <NoCode> I guess I could also change the default mail directories Debian is configured to. But I dunno
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• 681[05:18:04] <NoCode> Well, not Googling I guess. I should use *Google* if I need result-based results.
• 682[05:18:06] * NoCode sighs
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• 684[05:19:24] <awwal> JordiGH, when getting that error message, ctrl+s for pause the output works?
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• 742[05:59:24] <transhuman_> Hi! I seem to have an issue with root certificates and ssh, I assume it also has to do with SSL whats the best way on jessie to reinstall all of these components?
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• 754[06:06:02] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: ssh doesn't use the same PKI certificate scheme that SSL/TLS does. could you give an example of an error that you're getting?
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• 779[06:30:08] <spldart> So. Uhm... There is a limit to how many HDDs you can configure to mount in your fstab? I'm trying to break 20 drives but it keeps going cock-eyed after 16 HDDs. However.. If I automount 16 drives using the configuration of fstab I can then manually mount the last few.
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• 789[06:38:09] <aindilis`> hi
• 790[06:38:29] <LambdaComplex> spldart: what if you use ''mount -a'' ?
• 791[06:38:37] <transhuman_> jmcnaught, seems replaced-url
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• 793[06:39:11] <spldart> Yeah. Tried that. Mount -a LL just gets me the extra drives showing up with weird partitions
• 794[06:39:43] <LambdaComplex> Are you using the word "drives" when you mean partitions? Just wondering
• 795[06:40:03] <spldart> But! If I mount each drive after that manually as superuser in terminal then all is fine...
• 796[06:40:14] <transhuman_> jmcnaught, and the third is being reported by clearlinux replaced-url
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• 798[06:40:44] <spldart> So 16 mount on boot. Then the last 4 I mount after.. Otherwise I go straight to recovery mode with some drives showing as weird partitions
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• 802[06:41:09] <spldart> yes... each drive = partition
• 803[06:41:14] <spldart> one partition per drive
• 804[06:41:17] <spldart> sorry
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• 806[06:41:30] <LambdaComplex> Are you sure the fstab entries are correct?
• 807[06:41:54] <spldart> I have every drive formatted in ext4. Only one partition per drive.
• 808[06:42:10] <spldart> If I drop some drives from the hardware others then work using fstab
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• 810[06:42:33] <spldart> but I cannot get fstab to automagicly mount all 20 drives
• 811[06:43:09] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: seems like you're having two separate problems. SSH and TLS/https use two different sets of unrelated certificates. For the ssh command, what is the actual error you get when it's not in verbose mode?
• 812[06:43:58] <spldart> right now I'm running uber simple fstab..... ex: /dev/sdr1 /home/user/Datas/data18 defaults
• 813[06:44:07] <transhuman_> jmcnaught, just one second it takes 3 minutes before the error shows up
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• 815[06:45:38] <spldart> ... I can disconnect a random drive and the problem shifts on drive letter designation. If I remove any several then debian boots normal and then I can manually mount the rest in terminal
• 816[06:45:54] <spldart> s/on/one
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• 819[06:46:38] <transhuman_> jmcnaught, ssh -p 10022 root@localhost ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer
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• 823[06:48:18] <spldart> I was trying for the magic /dev/sdaa1 (double letters) but there seems to be a software limit after Promise tech got me past the hardware limit. (free up irq's for the controllers)
• 824[06:50:13] <LambdaComplex> spldart: ...are you just doing this to hit sdaa?
• 825[06:50:14] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: oh, so you have a shell on the server and cannot even connect to localhost? Does the same happen if you try connecting as a user other than root? Any recent changes to sshd_config?
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• 827[06:50:52] <spldart> why yes. Yes I am Mr. LamdaComplex. It was a challenge I wanted to poke a stick at.
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• 829[06:51:19] <LambdaComplex> That's beautiful
• 830[06:51:34] <transhuman_> yes happens then too ( I would like to just --purge and reinstall these sub systems, at the moment I am having a trust issue with my debian install (maybe a complete wipe and reinstall is in order?) (this would be a lot of work though)
• 831[06:51:38] <spldart> sry... More detail. Old tyan mobo, lots of promise tx2000's, and a ton of pata hdds
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• 834[06:52:14] <spldart> And I felt even more encouraged after Promise offered assistance towards the hardware limitations on there support BB
• 835[06:52:26] <spldart> Two irq
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• 838[06:53:03] <spldart> sry. Two irq's per promise card necessary. So I shut down all the unecessary stuff to have plenty available
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• 840[06:53:19] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: if you connect with ssh to the server from a computer that's connected before, does it give warnings about keys mismatched?
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• 842[06:54:12] <transhuman_> let me see if i can figure that out (I might not have another local system to try but hold on
• 843[06:54:23] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: ssh uses a Trust On First Use (TOFU) trust model, were the first time you connect to a server it saves its host certificate in ~/.ssh/known_hosts, and if the server's cert ever doesn't match your SSH client will complain very loudly
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• 845[06:55:44] <transhuman_> ah ok well in that case I cant test it cause I did a purge of ssh-server and reinstall and wipe of ~/.ssh to get rid of this issue (same results locally) as far as remote servers I am going to try but its from scratch
• 846[06:56:19] <spldart> Anyone here have any experience in the 17 + hdd range in debian? 16 seems to be a limit for fstab and I can get to 20 drives manually mounting thereafter.
• 847[06:56:23] <transhuman_> the ssl output error from chrome is very troubling too.. which indicates a problem with root certificates
• 848[06:56:44] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: okay, well next time this is one of your first lines of defense.
• 849[06:57:24] <DammitJim> can I mix an ssd and non ssd drives in an lvm?
• 850[06:57:31] <transhuman_> "what is the first line of defense?"
• 851[06:57:35] <DammitJim> does that defeat the point of my ssd's speed?
• 852[06:57:43] <aypea[1]> yes and probably
• 853[06:57:57] <aypea[1]> though you can create lvs on specific drives in a group
• 854[06:58:01] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: so.. i don't use chrome but it seems more like a handshake failure breakdown in communication between client and server.. are you getting invalid certificate errors in browser?
• 855[06:58:07] <aypea[1]> you may be better off creating two lgs
• 856[06:58:17] <DammitJim> I can???
• 857[06:58:19] <DammitJim> dammit
• 858[06:58:26] <DammitJim> ugh
• 859[06:58:28] <aypea[1]> :)
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• 861[06:58:44] <DammitJim> how do I remove the non ssd from the lg?
• 862[06:58:46] <transhuman_> no I am not getting invalid certifcates in browser (this was discovered by accident ) I ran chrome from the command line and thats where its outputed
• 863[06:58:50] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: "first line of defense" as in ssh client will complain loudly if it gets the wrong ssh host certificate for a server it has previously connected to. You lose that if you delete ~/.ssh and purge the server
• 864[06:58:54] <aypea[1]> DammitJim: see the 2nd arg in lvcreate
• 865[06:59:05] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: otherwise the site loads fine?
• 866[06:59:10] <transhuman_> yes
• 867[06:59:23] <transhuman_> I am worried about man in middle attacks
• 868[06:59:27] <aypea[1]> DammitJim: that's more difficult. you'll need to resize the lg so that it no longer uses the drive you want first, I think. I've never performed this.
• 869[06:59:53] <aypea[1]> DammitJim: actually
• 870[06:59:56] <aypea[1]> DammitJim: see vgreduce
• 871[07:01:02] <transhuman_> I run a lot of web servers, and things
• 872[07:01:35] <DammitJim> yes aypea[1]
• 873[07:01:38] <DammitJim> that's what I was just now doing
• 874[07:01:43] <DammitJim> not sure why the disk is still in use
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• 876[07:02:23] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: well i don't know what's happening there. i would assume if the site loads okay in chrome that those errors happen but then it simply retries. Have you tested the site in firefox/iceweasel or with ssllabs.com, or gnutls-cli or openssl s_client?
• 877[07:03:00] <transhuman_> no with ssllabs.com is it just going there and seeing it loads ok?
• 878[07:04:10] <aypea[1]> DammitJim: heh. I run my lv on md so I've never ever had to deal with this
• 879[07:04:24] <aypea[1]> DammitJim: does pvdisplay give useful info?
• 880[07:04:32] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: it performs a bunch of tests, there's a checkbox to keep the results private
• 881[07:04:43] <transhuman_> my web servers test ok , just seems confined to my desktop
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• 884[07:05:27] <transhuman_> oh wait its doing more tests thought it was finished
• 885[07:05:50] <spldart> Well.. Poop.
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• 888[07:06:32] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: it will give your site a score. ideally you want an A or higher
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• 891[07:07:30] <transhuman_> lowest score a 90 highest 100
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• 893[07:08:04] <transhuman_> keyexchange and cipher strength are the lowest
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• 895[07:08:13] <transhuman_> I can probably fix that
• 896[07:08:17] <DammitJim> aypea[1], did you mean vgreduce or pvreduce?
• 897[07:08:36] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: replaced-url
• 898[07:08:49] <transhuman_> as far as my desktop (to be safe I think I am reinstalling debian) besides md5 of the disk is there anything else I can do ?
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• 903[07:10:03] <transhuman_> that site you just gaves indicates Modern intermediate an old ( which is better intermediate or modern?)
• 904[07:10:20] <transhuman_> s/an/and
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• 906[07:10:44] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: it depends on if you need to support people with older browsers or not
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• 909[07:11:05] <transhuman_> ah ok I assume intermediate is more compatible?
• 910[07:11:11] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: you can also run "gnutls-cli fqdn.example.com" to see if there are problems
• 911[07:11:49] <transhuman_> ok, thanks for that info, on my question about the debian cd is the MD5 the best guarantees?
• 912[07:12:08] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: that mozilla site will change the "oldest compatible clients" line for old, intermediate, modern
• 913[07:12:19] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: there's a debsums package that you could use
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• 915[07:13:01] <transhuman_> ok I will look into that ( I assume thats a certificate for each of the files in the install or something?)
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• 917[07:15:24] <transhuman_> jmcnaught, thanks for the help, I will reinstall desktop ( I will probably use a minimal server install and just build a desktop on top of that)
• 918[07:15:25] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: most but not all debian packages have hash sums for all their files, this is what debsums checks
• 919[07:15:39] <transhuman_> thanks a lot
• 920[07:15:49] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: that might not be necessary, i would look for more errors before going nuclear like that
• 921[07:16:10] <transhuman_> ok I will
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• 928[07:24:35] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: i would say that if firefox/iceweasel and gnutls-cli don't complain about bad certificates that your system is probably fine, and would suggest looking into chrome/chromium bugs
• 929[07:24:57] <DammitJim> woohoo
• 930[07:24:58] <transhuman_> jmcnaught, thanks I will look at that before I do anything
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• 941[07:32:23] <bagbobilgins> having problems with utf8 characters displaying as boxes with small characters in ssh'ing from debian to raspbian, problem not evident on fedora, any gotchas with ssh and locales I'm missing?
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• 943[07:34:26] <jmcnaught> bagbobilgins: what terminal emulator are you using? in gnome-terminal for example check that character encoding is set to UTF-8 (under the terminal menu).
• 944[07:34:52] <bagbobilgins> terminator, set to utf-8
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• 946[07:36:45] <bagbobilgins> also happening in gnome-terminal and xfce-terminal, both set to utf-8
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• 948[07:38:22] <jmcnaught> bagbobilgins: what do you get for "echo $LANG"?
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• 950[07:39:59] <bagbobilgins> jmcnaught: en_GB.UTF-8
• 951[07:40:52] <bagbobilgins> on the raspbian I'm ssh'ing to and the debian I am ssh'ing from
• 952[07:41:08] <DHowett> hmm
• 953[07:41:09] <jmcnaught> bagbobilgins: okay it must be a font issue then
• 954[07:41:12] <DHowett> it could be a font missing those codepoints
• 955[07:41:46] <bagbobilgins> ahh, I did read about a package that perhaps "fleshes out" some fonts?
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• 957[07:42:17] <bagbobilgins> tried quite a few, will look back at what I'd been reading
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• 959[07:42:49] <jmcnaught> bagbobilgins: i also use terminator, and for me it's set to use the system fixed width font, which according to gnome tweak-tool is droid sans mono regular
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• 992[08:17:04] <madprops> is it a bad idea to go from stable to unstable?
• 993[08:17:10] <madprops> i read i should change to testing first
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• 1002[08:21:42] <somiaj> madprops: Its not a bad idea, though it is safer to jump though testing first (main reason is at least in testing everyting should be installable)
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• 1013[08:27:10] <madprops> i see
• 1014[08:27:16] <madprops> usually how far behind is testing from unstable?
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• 1033[08:39:53] <bagbobilgins> jmcnaught: thanks for your help, apt install unifont seems to have largely fixed it
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• 1035[08:40:14] <bagbobilgins> DHowett: your tip was exceptionally useful, too
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• 1086[09:17:30] <lok> need some help; i am on windows; need to learn either linux/debian/bash/ubuntu kind of stuff. how to start? i have 32gb pen drive'; is there any portable version i have to download from any website? please suggest.
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• 1090[09:18:36] <cypher_> Hi lok first install some virtualization software like virtualbox or hyper-v if you are on win 8 or 10
• 1091[09:18:49] <cypher_> i prefer virtualbox
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• 1093[09:19:04] <lok> i dont have my own computer cypher_
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• 1095[09:19:18] <lok> i am on publich PC always cypher_ please consider that situation also
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• 1098[09:19:53] <cypher_> well then there is option of live cd...
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• 1100[09:20:09] <Wonderscript> I'd recommend an actual install but you'll probably need two flash drives to make it easy..
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• 1102[09:20:15] <cypher_> but really idk how much you can learn that way
• 1103[09:20:27] <Wonderscript> It'll work but it'll be slow..
• 1104[09:20:47] <Wonderscript> If you can probably install the lxde version to it, less packages
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• 1107[09:21:47] <cypher_> renting virtual machine on digitalocean would be better to learn commandline etc. you would connect using ssh from any machine and have persistent environment
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• 1109[09:22:41] <cypher_> but still its hard to learn anything about IT in general without own computer
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• 1112[09:23:29] <cypher_> is there really no option for you to get your own computing platform? raspberry pi, old laptop etc.?
• 1113[09:24:06] <cynicallemon> why not get a shell account to learn some linux command line?
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• 1115[09:24:43] <cypher_> i suppose you could learn scripting with bash/zsh sed awk grep etc. that way
• 1116[09:25:20] <cypher_> google free unix shell
• 1117[09:25:32] <cynicallemon> theres one in germany
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• 1119[09:25:39] <cynicallemon> thats linux based
• 1120[09:25:46] <cypher_> sdf.org is good
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• 1122[09:26:14] <cypher_> in that situation it makes no difference if its linux/freebsd/openbsd/ehatevernix
• 1123[09:26:27] <cypher_> shell is still mostly the same
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• 1125[09:26:50] <cynicallemon> replaced-url
• 1126[09:27:10] <lok> live CD? cypher_ i dont like to carry CD with me. is it possible like live usb thumb drive?
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• 1129[09:27:57] <lok> Wonderscript: why two pen drives?
• 1130[09:28:11] <Wonderscript> One to hold your installation image and the other to install the operating system too..
• 1131[09:28:32] <lok> lxde is portable version? can i put it on usb thumb drvive?
• 1132[09:28:42] <Wonderscript> LXDE is a desktop environment.
• 1133[09:28:44] <lok> i am looking for portable version only as i guess it may server my needs
• 1134[09:28:56] <Wonderscript> Any linux iso is portable..
• 1135[09:29:15] <Wonderscript> You just install it to a flash drive. Now whether or not it works well is a different story
• 1136[09:29:19] <lok> cypher_: renting machine; i guess cant affod when i dont ahve any plan to earn from this learning
• 1137[09:30:18] <lok> is there any free virtual machine? & moreover there is very less internet speed so i think it ll not be helpful to connect to remote machine thru internet & learn that way? douou think is it feasible on 2g/3g connection speed?
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• 1139[09:31:10] <lok> cypher_: i m plannnig for odroid but not sure when i ll buy it; also have upcoming plans to buy either i3 or i5 of NUC ; what would be wise decision?
• 1140[09:31:20] <Wonderscript> You can do it with your flash drive.
• 1141[09:31:32] <lok> cynicallemon: how to get shell account?
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• 1144[09:32:07] <cypher_> wise decision would be buying a used Dell computer off ebay they are cheaper than dirt
• 1145[09:32:30] <cynicallemon> lok, a couple of links were posted a few minutes ago
• 1146[09:32:32] <cypher_> core2duo with 4GB (2 is enough) of RAM and cheapo monitor
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• 1148[09:32:47] <lok> yes i am still reviewing thanks guys cynicallemon
• 1149[09:33:16] <Wonderscript> I mean I would recommend getting a raspberry pi with a cheap monitor/keyboard/mouse
• 1150[09:33:39] <cypher_> buy now and start now, NUC is a fine toy but you can have a laptop for that price - a new one
• 1151[09:33:41] <lok> "[12:58] <Wonderscript> One to hold your installation image and the other to install the operating system too.." i am not yet clear; what is image? why something to be installed?isnt that portable/live?
• 1152[09:34:15] <cypher_> used Dell is not much more expensive than raspberry pi
• 1153[09:34:19] <Wonderscript> The installation image to install the operating system. You need to install it somewhere like a flash drive. Once it is installed to your flash drive it'll be portable.
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• 1155[09:34:43] <cypher_> Dell Optiplex or similar
• 1156[09:34:44] <cynicallemon> an RPi is fine but an older box will be just as cheap and have more potential
• 1157[09:34:49] <Wonderscript> True
• 1158[09:34:50] <cypher_> yep
• 1159[09:35:05] <lok> cypher_: can you suggest some link of ebay dell i ll check rest of all similar myself
• 1160[09:36:18] <cynicallemon> lok, you could try some local schools or colleges as some will have a few decommissioned ones waiting to be scrapped
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• 1163[09:36:47] <cypher_> replaced-url
• 1164[09:36:47] <lok> i already have other accesories like bluetoth mouse/keyboard/monitor i can manage; only concern is about board/cpu selection
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• 1167[09:37:33] <cypher_> if you have more money buy one with i5 its better for virtualization
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• 1170[09:37:54] <cypher_> if not stick to cheap core2duo with near 3GHz clock
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• 1172[09:38:07] <lok> i guess used dell may not support usb 3.0 or hdmi; can it? cypher_ as i guess they may be older version
• 1173[09:38:30] <cynicallemon> lok, probably not
• 1174[09:38:49] <cypher_> we don't know your finsncial situation
• 1175[09:38:55] <cypher_> it's hard to suggest
• 1176[09:39:00] <cypher_> something
• 1177[09:39:12] <cypher_> how much can you spend?
• 1178[09:39:12] <lok> replaced-url
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• 1180[09:39:19] <lok> it is arouund 40USD only
• 1181[09:39:47] <cypher_> yep you can buy one with HDD for few bucks more
• 1182[09:39:47] <lok> for board 50USD and for computer/laptop 350USD max.
• 1183[09:40:27] <cypher_> for 350 you can have a used dell and a new lenovo laptop here in EU
• 1184[09:40:30] <cypher_> idk US
• 1185[09:40:31] <lok> so if it doesnt have hdd; how to use it?
• 1186[09:40:36] <lok> external drive?
• 1187[09:40:39] <lok> on USB?
• 1188[09:40:40] <cypher_> just buy one with hdd
• 1189[09:40:51] <lok> i am ini india
• 1190[09:41:02] <cypher_> you will need to learn about computer "guts" also
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• 1193[09:41:29] <_ebola_> lok: what's your maximum amount that you're willing to spend?
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• 1195[09:41:43] <lok> 350 for full fledged system
• 1196[09:41:45] <lok> eb0t:
• 1197[09:41:47] <cypher_> gtg ppl bye
• 1198[09:41:49] <lok> ebola
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• 1200[09:42:06] <lok> thanks cypher
• 1201[09:42:08] <_ebola_> lok: what are you absolutely looking to do with the computer, and what are you looking to do but as an option?
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• 1204[09:43:31] <lok> learnign now
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• 1207[09:43:39] <lok> not abut future interest
• 1208[09:43:46] <lok> not sure abt future interests
• 1209[09:43:52] <lok> i guess i like maths
• 1210[09:44:02] <lok> hence labview, matlab willl be interesting for me
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• 1212[09:44:48] <lok> i allos like data so R may be useful
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• 1218[09:48:56] <lok> surprisingy. core 2 duo starts from 100USD in india replaced-url
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• 1237[09:56:41] <lok> cynicallemon: how sdf will help?
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• 1246[09:57:35] <lok> _ebola_:
• 1247[09:58:08] <lok> what is good used core2duo or rpi board?
• 1248[09:58:30] <_ebola_> lok: well we used to do matlab jsut fine with 1990's computers:)
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• 1253[09:59:07] <trewas> matlab is x86-64 only, it will not work on rpi or even (very) old PCs
• 1254[09:59:17] <lok> what is use of sdf; i checked link but not sure what it is _ebola_
• 1255[09:59:19] <_ebola_> lok: really any math stuff will be trivial for any CPU, as math is dependant on numerical computation algorithm complexity, not on CPU's so much
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• 1257[09:59:49] <lok> _ebola_: and trewas are different statement?
• 1258[10:00:04] <lok> confused
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• 1263[10:01:02] <_ebola_> lok: Since your needs are modest I have an idea
• 1264[10:01:15] <trewas> lok: matlab is closed source and only available for x86-64, but it could work with whatever CPU if mathworks made it available, but they don't
• 1265[10:01:21] <_ebola_> lok: how about you build your computer brand new for $350 (or less)?
• 1266[10:01:49] <_ebola_> lok: this way you will have HDMI and USB 3.0
• 1267[10:02:08] <lok> ok _ebola_ how to build? which things to take care? any flow chart?
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• 1269[10:02:47] <_ebola_> lok: lets start with the motherboard, you may want to get one with the CPU and power supply intergrated already
• 1270[10:02:55] <somiaj> lok: would octave suit your needs? ipython and python libaries contain. There is also sagemath (Which includes R)
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• 1273[10:03:23] <_ebola_> lok: something like this: replaced-url
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• 1275[10:03:56] <lok> somiaj: python is one more thing i want to learn as it can handle maths very easily
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• 1277[10:04:28] <lok> newegg is in india but unfortunately shipping cost is half of item cost
• 1278[10:04:38] <lok> i have seen asrock boards on newegg sometimes iirc
• 1279[10:04:40] <memyself> how to get a copy of debian junior
• 1280[10:04:48] <somiaj> lok: everything I listed there is installable on the debian arm port.
• 1281[10:04:51] <jml2> lok, asrock is garbage.
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• 1283[10:05:09] <_ebola_> lok: it doesn't have to be newegg
• 1284[10:05:29] <lok> other sites are also costlier in india _ebola_
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• 1286[10:05:44] <somiaj> memyself: replaced-url
• 1287[10:05:48] <_ebola_> lok: and doesn't have to be asus, the idea is a modern ATOM CPU (Broadwell generation) with the power supply integrated in the motherboard (the "DC" part)
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• 1290[10:06:17] <jml2> _ebola_, atom processors are weak.
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• 1293[10:06:30] <_ebola_> lok: so with this one purchase all you have to do is mount this board into a case, and plug in the hard drive, monitor, and the included power brick (external)
• 1294[10:06:47] <somiaj> memyself: replaced-url
• 1295[10:06:54] <_ebola_> newer Broadwell atoms are quite nice, they are out of order units now and quad core
• 1296[10:07:04] <lok> will that configuration be better than i5?
• 1297[10:07:09] <lok> _ebola_:
• 1298[10:07:14] <_ebola_> they aren't like the old in-order atoms
• 1299[10:07:56] <_ebola_> lok: well for what you are doing it will be better probably, it will give you a more flexible modern computer and save you some money
• 1300[10:08:12] <lok> ok
• 1301[10:08:42] <_ebola_> the CPU is already mounted on the motherboard with a passive heatsink
• 1302[10:09:00] <_ebola_> and you get the power supply built in too
• 1303[10:09:05] <memyself> somiaj, thanks for your help
• 1304[10:09:14] <_ebola_> say it saves you a lot of money
• 1305[10:09:34] <_ebola_> graphics card is built in
• 1306[10:10:07] <lok> i m not sure octave, ipython, sagemath , matlab which one to choose now? i can only decide after trying each & very software somiaj
• 1307[10:10:14] <somiaj> _ebola_, lok: hardware dissucsions are a bit off topic here, might take the conversation elsewhere if it is going to last for a while.
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• 1310[10:10:56] <somiaj> lok: matlab is closed source. Debian provides packages for ocatve, ipython and many of the math python libaries. Debian does not provide packages for sagemath and you'll have to isntall that from upstream.
• 1311[10:10:58] <lok> how to have debian on portable thumb drive? if i have debian do i need ubuntu? or other similar linux software?
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• 1313[10:11:42] <somiaj> lok: debian is a full os, you don't need ubuntu or other similar software. You can install debian directly to a usb drive, though many usb drives are slow and a live image gives better preforamnce in many cases (setting up persistance is helpfull with live images)
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• 1315[10:12:10] <jml2> debian can boot fro musb drives, as so can many other distros as a "full install"
• 1316[10:12:35] <Wonderscript> your usb drive is basically treated as a hard drive so its the same as installing to a hard drive
• 1317[10:12:39] <lok> ii have usb 3.0 drive
• 1318[10:12:54] <lok> 32gb is sufficient?
• 1319[10:13:12] <memyself> the package live-helper does not exist
• 1320[10:13:16] <somiaj> lok: depends on what you want to do, but that should be plenty for many thigns.
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• 1322[10:13:23] <somiaj> ,v live-helper
• 1323[10:13:24] <judd> Package: live-helper on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.0.12-2
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• 1325[10:13:36] <_ebola_> lok: with the modern motherboard that has usb 3.0 you don't even need a hard drive if you have a usb 3.0 external device actually
• 1326[10:13:38] <somiaj> memyself: oh looks like the documentation is a bit out of date, the live images may have changed a bit.
• 1327[10:13:47] <somiaj> memyself: are you wanting to create a debian-junior live image?
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• 1329[10:13:53] <lok> is bootable thumb drive=live thumb drive=portable OS thumb drive?
• 1330[10:14:02] <xormor> one can also put the ISO into a memory chip, MicroSD chip.
• 1331[10:14:11] <memyself> yes
• 1332[10:14:15] <xormor> USB drive can be better.
• 1333[10:14:18] <lok> i think such terms doesnt need any installation/configuration on computer
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• 1335[10:14:29] <somiaj> lok: live images run from memeory as opposed to a bootable usb drive will run from the usb drive itself.
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• 1337[10:15:15] <somiaj> lok: so they are different in how they work. The nice thing about live images as they do run faster once everything is loaded, but I haven't playe dmuch with usb 3.0, maybe the preformance loss from isntall right on the usb isn't there with a fully compadable 3.0 device
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• 1339[10:15:28] <lok> are virtual box also portable?
• 1340[10:15:44] <somiaj> memyself: I don't know what ot suggest if that documentation is out of date. Might want to look at the documentation in the junior-doc package
• 1341[10:15:52] <lok> can i install multiiple portable OS on my same thumb 32GB drive?
• 1342[10:16:11] <somiaj> lok: you can treate a usb drive just like a harddisk, so provided you have enoughs pace for what you want to do.
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• 1344[10:16:45] <memyself> somiaj: i will try to build a live cd
• 1345[10:17:02] <memyself> somiaj: thanks
• 1346[10:17:37] <somiaj> memyself: there is #debian-live on irc.oftc.net, but I'm not familar with how to build custom live cds (and unsure if the debian-junior project has any prebuilt ones)
• 1347[10:18:53] <memyself> somiaj: thanks
• 1348[10:19:00] <somiaj> memyself: yea that doc just seems oudated, maybe try #debian-jr on irc.oftc.net as well.
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• 1363[10:25:38] <lok> Wonderscript: if installation image is available all the time; do i need to reserve one thumb drive for it?
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• 1365[10:26:00] <lok> i am still stuck here
• 1366[10:26:04] <lok> [13:04] <Wonderscript> The installation image to install the operating system. You need to install it somewhere like a flash drive. Once it is installed to your flash drive it'll be portable.
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• 1369[10:29:10] <somiaj> once you have installed debian you don't need to have the installation media any more, though it can be a useful rescue disk if ever needed
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• 1373[10:32:38] <lok> not sure what it is/
• 1374[10:32:43] <lok> sorry
• 1375[10:33:19] <lok> if live image/installation file is always available oneline; i dont think i need to have rescue disk; as my rescue disk=online website
• 1376[10:33:21] <lok> isnt it?
• 1377[10:34:13] <jml2> lok, not sure if the live one offers.. but the official installer offers a quick chroot option when rescue is chosen
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• 1425[11:08:16] <tim241> jelly
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• 1427[11:10:05] <tim241> can someone help me with vb?
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• 1433[11:12:08] <jml2> tim241, virtualbox?
• 1434[11:12:42] <markybob> visual basic. he was here and oftc yesterday and got muted in both places for being annoying as hell
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• 1436[11:13:00] <markybob> yes, microsoft visual basic
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• 1438[11:13:31] <jml2> according to my logs he was doing this on #linux as well
• 1439[11:13:45] <jml2> but nobody is even here anyways
• 1440[11:13:53] <jml2> he just needs parenting attention
• 1441[11:14:11] <jml2> tim241, time to go to bed son
• 1442[11:14:15] <fennesz> Hello guys ! I am experiencing high cpu usage with iceweasel on debian 8 x64 ,can someone help ?
• 1443[11:14:17] <markybob> ha. apparently you didn't read the logs. you don't want this
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• 1445[11:14:26] <markybob> jml2: oh i see ;)
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• 1463[11:23:52] <tim241> bcd hallo goedemorgen
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• 1492[11:39:00] <guggu> hello, has anyone installed debian on a mac book? the old ones (intel)
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• 1494[11:39:35] <jml2> guggu, anything intel you will imho have less issues than with ppc
• 1495[11:40:05] <guggu> yeah ive got an intel mac book
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• 1497[11:40:43] <guggu> im trying to follow this documentation replaced-url
• 1498[11:40:50] <jml2> guggu, there's a linux firmware command for mac efi.. but you can just renamed grubx64.efi (on efi partition) to /EFI/BOOT/BOOTx64.EFI and that can solve things as well
• 1499[11:41:11] <jml2> guggu, if you're trying to dual-boot the mac, you should look into refind
• 1500[11:41:30] <guggu> nah i want to single boot
• 1501[11:41:49] <guggu> i cant get the bootloader to recognize the usb iso
• 1502[11:42:24] <guggu> problem is, the guide links to this replaced-url
• 1503[11:42:55] <jml2> guggu, that's not a dd
• 1504[11:43:16] <guggu> which clearly does not work, it literally says so at the last screenshot: "the created boot device will not boot off a mac...."
• 1505[11:43:17] <markybob> !unetbootin
• 1506[11:43:18] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
• 1507[11:43:26] <markybob> guggu: yeah, unetbootin breaks debian
• 1508[11:43:47] <jml2> guggu, try finding your usb stick with the root command (osx), diskutil list<> ... and use dd if=file.sios of=/dev/rdisk<SUB NUMBER> -- sub the number for the actual usb
• 1509[11:43:57] <jml2> guggu, and maybe use bs=10m
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• 1512[11:46:07] <guggu> jml2 can i launch that from linux?
• 1513[11:46:12] <hexnewbie> A semi-related question: If I rename debian/grubx64.efi to boot/bootx64.efi, will it automatically appear in the EFI boot menu even if I don't add it using efibootmgr, etc.?
• 1514[11:46:19] <jml2> guggu, you can launch it from the osx terminal
• 1515[11:46:22] <hexnewbie> On a regular EFI system, not Mac
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• 1518[11:46:57] <jml2> guggu, my suggestion is if doing it in osx, is to use the appropriate "rdiskN" device (note: "r" at the beginning)
• 1519[11:47:00] <markybob> guggu: see replaced-url
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• 1522[11:47:45] <jml2> hexnewbie, bootx64.efi is a fallback location standard for uefi boots -- you also have to have it in /efi/boot/
• 1523[11:48:10] <jml2> hexnewbie, and you can just rename grubx64.efi and it'll boot
• 1524[11:48:19] <jml2> hexnewbie, (to that location)
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• 1528[11:48:48] <jml2> hexnewbie, this is helpful if you don't want to touch the mac uefi hardware
• 1529[11:49:04] <hexnewbie> jml2: So if I copy that file on two of my drives EFI partition under that name, even if the disk where I installed grub fails (or another power failure deletes the EFI boot entry, like it happened yesterday), I will be able to just select it from the menu, not take a few days to figure out how to create a rescue disk?
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• 1531[11:49:28] <jml2> hexnewbie, replaced-url
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• 1535[11:51:34] <pial> i have dual booted jessie with win10 in uefi only mode. bios had 2 bootloader uefi win10 and uefi debian. my bios got corrupted and after recovery only uefi win10 bootloader is shown. how do i get debian bootloader back?
• 1536[11:51:44] <jml2> hexnewbie, your official debian installer cd/usb is already a resuce disk
• 1537[11:51:55] <markybob> !tell pial -about fixmbr
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• 1539[11:52:04] <jml2> hexnewbie, but the boot-repair offers a 1-click things fix for uefi and mbr grub boots
• 1540[11:52:27] <markybob> though i think you've got your terms fucked up. "bios" corrupted? i doubt it
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• 1542[11:52:44] <hexnewbie> jml2: Thanks for the hints. :)
• 1543[11:53:56] <markybob> pial: you have secure boot turned off in bios, right?
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• 1545[11:54:11] <jml2> pial, use the rescue disk, get to a chroot and do update-grub<enter> -- you might have to mount the efi partition to /boot/efi though
• 1546[11:54:12] <markybob> pial: windows 10 machines have it on by default, generally.
• 1547[11:54:14] <pial> markybob, i have msi x99a sli plus motherboard, it has 2 bios, the first one did not post after powerfailure but second one did. so i said it got corrupted
• 1548[11:54:28] <pial> markybob, yes
• 1549[11:54:47] <jml2> pial, you should be able to fix it very easy with a chroot prompt from the debian installer/resuce cd/usb
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• 1553[11:55:24] <markybob> it doesn't have 2 bios
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• 1556[11:56:40] <pial> markybob, it says multiple bios right in the manual with a flip switch in the motherboard to choose them
• 1557[11:57:05] <markybob> pial: okay. follow what i had the bot tell you
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• 1559[11:57:34] <pial> markybob, ok will try that, thanks
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• 1562[11:59:35] <pial> markybob, mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target..........what does target mean here?
• 1563[11:59:58] <guggu> the directory where you want to mount
• 1564[12:00:01] <pial> markybob, do i give it an arbitrary name?
• 1565[12:00:08] <guggu> mkdir dir
• 1566[12:00:09] <markybob> sure
• 1567[12:00:10] <guggu> and mount there
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• 1569[12:00:21] <guggu> or just add some directory to the fstab
• 1570[12:00:27] <markybob> /mnt or wherever. doesn't matter
• 1571[12:00:43] <pial> ok
• 1572[12:00:53] <markybob> time for formula one :D
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• 1576[12:02:03] <pial> markybob, run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI......by "EFI" where does it mean?
• 1577[12:02:06] <guggu> so guys say i've got this fat32 pendrive. if i dd the debian image on that, will i bi able to boot it with a mac?
• 1578[12:02:26] <guggu> *be
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• 1581[12:04:01] <pial> aw markybob left, can someone tell me what does "EFI" in "run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI" <--- means?
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• 1583[12:04:17] <teraflops> guggu: the installer? Yes
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• 1585[12:04:38] <guggu> teraflops: sorry i meant the installer, yes
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• 1587[12:04:43] <pial> is it a location? if yes what is the path?
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• 1589[12:05:15] <guggu> teraflops: so i should be able to do the cmd think and it should show up at boot along with the hard disc, right?
• 1590[12:06:03] <guggu> teraflops: i thought there were some restrictions, like mac cant boot from anything that isnt formatted in some specific way
• 1591[12:06:30] <guggu> sorry about these questions but i never used a mac im my life, i could barely open a terminal there
• 1592[12:07:00] <teraflops> guggu: I have no idea of what you're talking about. The installer iso will boot on a mac if you do it as per instructions to a USB stick
• 1593[12:07:23] <teraflops> guggu: year/model of the Mac?
• 1594[12:07:41] <guggu> its a mac book with an intel core2 duo
• 1595[12:07:53] <teraflops> I meant dd not do sorry
• 1596[12:08:24] <guggu> i'm talking about stuff like this: replaced-url
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• 1598[12:08:41] <teraflops> Oh a santarosa? It will boot. Just make sure you install all the updates from Apple
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• 1600[12:10:10] <teraflops> guggu: it's a mb 3.1 or 4.1?
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• 1605[12:12:26] <guggu> teraflops: lemme check
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• 1610[12:13:46] <guggu> it'a 2,1
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• 1614[12:14:35] <teraflops> guggu: if you have an existing osx there install all the updates.
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• 1622[12:16:08] <guggu> teraflops: says: your software is up to date
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• 1624[12:16:16] <teraflops> Then dd the iso to the.USB. Boot the.mb while pressing essing C
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• 1626[12:16:40] <teraflops> Pressing. Sorry I'm.on the phone
• 1627[12:16:41] <guggu> teraflops: you mean cmd?
• 1628[12:16:45] <teraflops> Yep
• 1629[12:17:20] <guggu> teraflops: k im currently dd-ing, its taking ages prolly cause i did not set the bs=...
• 1630[12:17:39] <guggu> teraflops: still, i came here cause i tried before and it did not work
• 1631[12:17:55] <teraflops> Just wait. Grab a ☕
• 1632[12:18:14] <guggu> teraflops: are you really sure that the pendrive's filesystem does not affect booting?
• 1633[12:18:20] <teraflops> Heh
• 1634[12:18:32] <guggu> ha!
• 1635[12:18:33] <teraflops> Pretty sure
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• 1637[12:19:25] <guggu> i'm so fascinated with the dd command, never quite got what it actually does
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• 1661[12:27:38] <guggu> oh and by the way: if unetbootin is known to "break" the debian installation iso, the installation guide should really refer to dd instead
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• 1670[12:38:07] <jelly> guggu: the installation guide really refers to cp instead
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• 1674[12:40:06] <jelly> cp uses variable block size and requires less tinkering than dd; using dd sometimes makes an incomplete copy for various reasons
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• 1718[13:04:44] <tim241> hi
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• 1720[13:04:59] <guggu> jelly: as dd did not work for me, im retrying with cat
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• 1722[13:05:11] <jelly> cp
• 1723[13:05:13] <guggu> i guess ill give cp a shot next time
• 1724[13:05:42] <guggu> can you link to the page? im talking about this one replaced-url
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• 1726[13:06:28] <guggu> when you click on the "instructions" link it opens an ubuntu page describing the process with unetbootin
• 1727[13:06:58] <guggu> jelly: oh i should probably tell you that im doing the mac book specific installation guide
• 1728[13:07:12] <frostschutz> guggu, you can validate with `cmp /dev/usbstick yourfile.iso`. if it says `EOF on /dev/usbstick`, the copy is good
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• 1730[13:07:41] <frostschutz> err, EOF on yourfile.iso I guess
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• 1732[13:08:24] <jelly> guggu: that page seems to refer to horribly old models and debian releases.
• 1733[13:08:41] <guggu> frostschutz: thanks for the tip
• 1734[13:09:17] <jelly> guggu: I'd probably use the debian installation guide
• 1735[13:09:18] <guggu> although, it still seems unlikely to me that a mac book can boot from that
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• 1737[13:09:27] <teraflops> guggu: yeah that's not a good source of information.
• 1738[13:09:31] <jelly> !ig
• 1739[13:09:32] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
• 1740[13:09:45] <guggu> teraflops: i tried and i could not boot from that
• 1741[13:10:09] <guggu> now i re formatted the usb disk as a vfat
• 1742[13:10:13] <jelly> guggu: replaced-url
• 1743[13:10:20] <guggu> and i'm trying again with cat instead of dd
• 1744[13:10:22] <teraflops> guggu: from where are you doing the usb, osx?
• 1745[13:10:31] <guggu> from linux now
• 1746[13:10:42] <guggu> i launched dd from the mac earlier though
• 1747[13:10:48] <jelly> guggu: there's no need to format it at all, the image is supposed to overwrite the whole device and provide its own partition table and filesystem format
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• 1749[13:11:30] <guggu> jelly: thanks A LOT, now im making more sense out of dd, cat and such
• 1750[13:11:41] <jelly> if this is a laptop with wireless network, you may just go with firmware images right away
• 1751[13:11:45] <jelly> !firmware images
• 1752[13:11:45] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 1754[13:12:14] <teraflops> better from linux, in osx you have to do additional steps with diskutil
• 1755[13:12:35] <teraflops> guggu: as in replaced-url
• 1756[13:12:39] <guggu> which one do you suggest?
• 1757[13:13:06] <teraflops> cp as jelly said
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• 1759[13:13:29] <guggu> teraflops: yea its just suggesting to use dd
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• 1761[13:13:45] <teraflops> use cp from linux if you can
• 1762[13:14:11] <teraflops> dd is fine too I guess whatever floats your goat
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• 1764[13:14:19] <guggu> teraflops: k, ill try with that, any suggested options?
• 1765[13:14:28] <teraflops> use cp heh
• 1766[13:14:32] <jelly> guggu: I mean, dd may be just fine as well but we don't know how dd from osx works and how it deals with that last partial write
• 1767[13:14:52] <jelly> we also do not know how osx cp works, either :-)
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• 1769[13:15:15] <guggu> that's why i'm trying to write the iso from linux now
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• 1771[13:15:22] <teraflops> guggu: from osx you need additional steps as I pasted above, if you have a linux machine just us cp
• 1772[13:15:34] <teraflops> use*
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• 1782[13:17:14] <guggu> i do have a linux machine, dont worry about writing iso files from mac os x
• 1783[13:17:41] <guggu> i tried that before just to see if it were any difference, but the drive would not boot anyway, so im back on linux
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• 1786[13:19:38] <guggu> im currently trying cp (from linux) as you suggested to write the iso. ill let you know if it boots from the mac
• 1787[13:20:00] <teraflops> guggu: whats the exact command you're using?
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• 1789[13:20:35] <guggu> just cp -v debian.iso /dev/sdc1
• 1790[13:20:39] <jelly> wrong
• 1791[13:20:48] <jelly> guggu: /dev/sdc not the partition
• 1792[13:21:02] <teraflops> ^
• 1793[13:21:09] <jelly> you want to overwrite the whole device
• 1794[13:21:21] <jelly> which is what install guide says
• 1795[13:21:34] <guggu> whopsie daisy
• 1796[13:21:40] <guggu> relauched
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• 1798[13:22:37] <guggu> my bad
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• 1812[13:29:24] <guggu> k, so the mac does not see the usb drive
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• 1816[13:30:14] <guggu> it doenst show up at boot when i press alt, and when i try to read it from mac os ox it says that the disk is not readable
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• 1819[13:34:27] <squidgirl> does some one knows a nice sweet grafical program environment for debian i want to code phyton and thats object orientated so i want object attribute compleation
• 1820[13:34:48] <guggu> vim and jedi-vim
• 1821[13:35:00] <guggu> and an ipython shell on the side
• 1822[13:35:14] <guggu> totally uncluttered and has everything you need
• 1823[13:35:42] <guggu> or spyder, if youre not a vim fan
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• 1829[13:38:02] <squidgirl> ipython shell? i am not that into phyton yet i will check it out
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• 1832[13:38:36] <guggu> yes, you run your code from there so you can debug and test stuff out
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• 1834[13:40:06] <squidgirl> oke but how do i get function inside object sugestion..
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• 1837[13:40:38] <guggu> teraflops: so, yeah, the mac does not see the pendrive
• 1838[13:41:01] <guggu> squidgirl: yes
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• 1840[13:41:54] <guggu> squidgirl: automatically whenever you type a dot. you can also disable that and trigger it only with control space (im talking about jedi-vim)
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• 1843[13:42:30] <squidgirl> oke thanks guggu i will check jedi-vim out
• 1844[13:42:45] <guggu> squidgirl: goes without saying, that works for your own classes as well.
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• 1847[13:43:22] <guggu> squidgirl: if youre not familiar with vim, jedi vim is a plugin, which you should install via pathogen
• 1848[13:43:22] <squidgirl> thanks guggu thats just what i need..
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• 1851[13:43:43] <squidgirl> i know vim.
• 1852[13:43:55] <guggu> you're all set then
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• 1869[13:48:49] <cdb23ax> hello i have a problem with xming and x11 forwarding
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• 1871[13:49:02] <cdb23ax> iam using windows but i need the virt-manager for creating vms
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• 1873[13:49:40] <cdb23ax> i can open virt-manager without gui with x11 forwarding on my windows machine
• 1874[13:50:00] <cdb23ax> as soon as i open the graphical console of one vm the program shuts down
• 1875[13:50:05] <cdb23ax> it just closes
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• 1877[13:50:50] <afernandez_> can anyone explain whathis does please? perl -pe 's/^.*\s(\S+)\s*$/$1\n/' | sort | uniq -c
• 1878[13:50:56] <afernandez_> Thanks in advance
• 1879[13:51:13] <teraflops> guggu: well maybe the 2.1 efi is old as hell and cannot boot a linux installer from usb, I can boot a debian usb stick in a 3.1 though
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• 1882[13:52:29] <teraflops> guggu: perhaps is related to the 32 bit efi. I dont know to be honest
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• 1885[13:53:49] <jelly> guggu: see if the normal image without firmware fails to boot as well, then ask in #debian-boot over on irc.oftc.net, maybe there's someone online available for help
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• 1889[13:54:49] <teraflops> guggu: also give a try to a good old cdrom if you can
• 1890[13:54:56] <jelly> afernandez_: ask in #perl if noone answers here
• 1891[13:55:09] <hex0rcist> hello
• 1892[13:55:18] <afernandez_> Thanks Jelly
• 1893[13:55:55] <jelly> afernandez_: do you have some context where that line is supposed to be used?
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• 1896[13:56:52] <sexytime> :)
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• 1898[13:57:25] <jelly> afernandez_: assuming there's some input piped to that oneliner, it appears to count the number of lines with matching last words in the line
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• 1909[14:01:02] <guggu> teraflops: jelly: yeah the thing is, it doesnt even work when i just plug it in on osx
• 1910[14:01:24] <guggu> of course i tested the disk on other machines and it works
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• 1916[14:03:18] <guggu> replaced-url
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• 1924[14:05:41] <afernandez_> jelly: sorry i was at the #perl, Thank you
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• 1926[14:05:52] <afernandez_> well i saw that line lomg time ago somewhere
• 1927[14:06:03] <afernandez_> and i always wante dto know what it does
• 1928[14:06:45] <afernandez_> jelly:
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• 1932[14:08:31] <afernandez_> damn I can not paste
• 1933[14:08:47] <jelly> afernandez_: it's probably just a quick oneliner that solves someone's immediate issue. You can do similar stuff if you learn a bit about regular expressions and some scripting language that supports them (awk, perl, python, probably even bash)
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• 1941[14:11:45] <afernandez_> Thank you jelly
• 1942[14:11:53] <afernandez_> ye stheres is a first part to that
• 1943[14:12:08] <jelly> awk has some builtin functionality that makes it a lot easier to do the same thing
• 1944[14:12:29] <jelly> you could replace the perl s/// segment with just awk '{print $NF}'
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• 1947[14:13:08] <Waxhead> I do not tamper with my sources.list much , however I have mirrored debian locally on a server and if I add both my server url + for example httpredir.debian.org/debian/ stretch..... aptitude seems to prefer the httpredir when downloading. I am on a very slow network and mirroring happens during night. How can I configure it so my local url will be preferred UNLESS newer packages are found in httpredir... ?!
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• 1950[14:13:23] <afernandez_> the first part is tail -50000 somepath/daemon.log | grep "failed to remove" |perl.......
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• 1952[14:14:02] <afernandez_> i get this in debioan paste
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• 1954[14:14:15] <jelly> Waxhead: if exactly the same packages with exactly the same priority are found in multiple configured repos, I _think_ the order in sources.list is used
• 1955[14:14:36] <afernandez_> thanks to some spammers you need to provide at least 2 linebreaks
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• 1957[14:14:42] <afernandez_> what does it mean?
• 1958[14:14:53] <jelly> afernandez_: context?
• 1959[14:15:11] <Waxhead> jelly: alrighty ... then I will just swap the order and see what happens :)
• 1960[14:15:13] <afernandez_> I was trying to paste the whole line
• 1961[14:15:19] <afernandez_> and pressinf send
• 1962[14:15:30] <afernandez_> i got that in debian.paste.net
• 1963[14:15:35] <jelly> afernandez_: oh, the silly pastebin wants you to paste more than one line
• 1964[14:15:40] <afernandez_> what are linebreaks?
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• 1966[14:15:47] <afernandez_> oh
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• 1968[14:16:07] <jelly> linebreak is what ends a line, a control character
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• 1970[14:17:24] <afernandez_> paste.debian.net/683854
• 1971[14:17:40] <jelly> Waxhead: try to "apt-cache policy somepackage" and see if the version and the priority value from your local mirror is the same as the remote mirror
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• 1974[14:18:49] <jelly> afernandez_: so it counts occurences of words from last few matching lines of that log file
• 1975[14:18:54] <x-fak> hi
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• 1978[14:19:30] <x-fak> i've removed chromium using apt-get remove chromium and it left some process actives, is it normal? i have multiples process like this one "/usr/lib/chromium/chromium"
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• 1980[14:19:32] <jelly> afernandez_: if you want to analyze what a complex pipe oneliner does, you can remove one by one pipe segment and look at what the rest does
• 1981[14:19:48] <afernandez_> OK Thanks Jelly
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• 1983[14:20:02] <jelly> append | less if there's lots of output
• 1984[14:20:17] <jelly> afernandez_: thus: tail -50000 /apps/IP/IPcenterJ/logs/ipradar_daemon.log | less
• 1985[14:20:26] <jelly> and see what it does
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• 1987[14:20:45] <jelly> afernandez_: then: tail -50000 /apps/IP/IPcenterJ/logs/ipradar_daemon.log | grep "failed to remove ack" | less
• 1988[14:21:10] <jelly> afernandez_: and see what's the difference and what's cut out from the output and what's left
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• 1990[14:21:16] <jelly> and so on
• 1991[14:21:25] <afernandez_> Cool thanks
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• 1997[14:22:36] <jelly> x-fak: you'll have to quit the browser or kill the processes in some way. Removing the installation does not stop them.
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• 2000[14:22:59] <x-fak> jelly , alright i see
• 2001[14:23:26] <jelly> in general, removing a package only stops things if it was a service package, not normal apps
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• 2004[14:23:54] <x-fak> jelly pkill chromium and it's done
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• 2010[14:24:58] <x-fak> replaced-url
• 2011[14:25:31] <MaBunny> how can i update my softwares which ive now??
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• 2013[14:25:50] <MaBunny> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade??
• 2014[14:26:02] <MaBunny> i forgot the command
• 2015[14:26:45] <bazhang> !update
• 2016[14:26:45] <dpkg> [update] `aptitude update' grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an aptitude upgrade or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search. See also <updates>.
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• 2019[14:27:33] <jelly> MaBunny: replaced-url
• 2020[14:27:38] <jelly> ha
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• 2023[14:28:12] <stoned> :)
• 2024[14:28:14] <jelly> bazhang: might want to /msg dpkg somefactoid first to verify it's the thing a user actually asked
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• 2026[14:29:03] <bazhang> jelly, I might at that
• 2027[14:29:30] <stoned> Any kind of trippy visualization software in debian?
• 2028[14:29:35] <stoned> Not music based, but stand alone
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• 2030[14:29:59] <stoned> Not like an audio player plugin
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• 2033[14:30:23] <stoned> Doesn't have to go bumping w/ the music, just visualizations. Crazy fractals trippy stuffs. Mandlebrot maybe
• 2034[14:30:35] <weilancys> will writing iso images to a flashdisk with dd too many times damage the disk?
• 2035[14:30:42] <stoned> weilancys: no
• 2036[14:31:06] <stoned> weilancys: eventually of course (after a long while) you'll exhaust your flash cells
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• 2038[14:32:34] <weilancys> I bought a new ssd with its instruction manual saying the user should avoid benchmark testing the ssd too many times. So I wonder if it's true.
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• 2040[14:33:35] <weilancys> I thought benchmark tests do the same with dd, as they all do multiple writes and reads to the disk. Am I right?
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• 2042[14:33:57] <weilancys> thanks, stoned for your answer.
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• 2047[14:35:07] <stoned> Don't benchmark ssd (unless it's for testing purposes or a quick speed test on the read/write)
• 2048[14:35:15] <stoned> Dont' defrag ssd either (rule #1)
• 2049[14:35:19] <MaBunny> srry guys for being away,bad net
• 2050[14:35:21] <karlpinc> stoned: There's a mandelbrot screen saver. Somewhere.
• 2051[14:35:28] <stoned> hey karl
• 2052[14:35:30] <stoned> ltns
• 2053[14:35:42] <MaBunny> whats the command to update software??
• 2054[14:35:45] <bazhang> replaced-url
• 2055[14:35:50] <stoned> MaBunny: you were just told
• 2056[14:36:01] <MaBunny> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade??
• 2057[14:36:02] <stoned> MaBunny: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade;
• 2058[14:36:09] <stoned> indeed
• 2059[14:36:22] <MaBunny> ok thnx
• 2060[14:36:24] <MaBunny> :D
• 2061[14:36:25] <bazhang> replaced-url
• 2062[14:36:31] <stoned> There was dist-upgrade and full-upgrade once
• 2063[14:36:38] <stoned> man apt-get
• 2064[14:36:50] <MaBunny> ok
• 2065[14:36:52] <bazhang> there are others as well stoned
• 2066[14:37:00] <stoned> Cool, man,
• 2067[14:37:03] <stoned> I'll click
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• 2069[14:37:29] <stoned> Hahaha
• 2070[14:37:34] <stoned> Already packaged in the main Debian archive by Manu Chao
• 2071[14:37:46] <stoned> <3 Manu Chao
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• 2073[14:37:49] <stoned> Me gustas tu
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• 2075[14:38:32] <bazhang> that just seemed the coolest
• 2076[14:38:51] <bazhang> there's something called 'mandelbrot' or the like
• 2077[14:38:52] <stoned> Desc. is appealing. I'll check it today
• 2078[14:38:58] <bazhang> ok
• 2079[14:39:00] <stoned> I'll goggly moogly
• 2080[14:39:00] <x-fak> zykotick9 , you here?
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• 2083[14:40:09] <karlpinc> stoned: debtags is very helpful. Especially after you find one program you can use it's tags to find similar things.
• 2084[14:40:25] <stoned> Ok
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• 2086[14:40:29] <karlpinc> x-fak: Ask the channel.
• 2087[14:40:39] <stoned> otherwise msg him.
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• 2089[14:40:46] <stoned> or /memoserv
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• 2092[14:41:51] <x-fak> karlpinc , i've asked
• 2093[14:42:01] <x-fak> replaced-url
• 2094[14:42:13] <x-fak> i'm sure you can answer too karlpinc
• 2095[14:42:31] <teraflops> download more ram
• 2096[14:42:43] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2097[14:42:48] <MaBunny> maybe you can use swap space???
• 2098[14:42:56] <stoned> You should compress your ram
• 2099[14:43:01] <MaBunny> ok stoned
• 2100[14:43:01] <stoned> There are two options
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• 2102[14:43:05] <stoned> zwap and/or zram
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• 2104[14:43:24] <stoned> I have 4x 512mb zram devices
• 2105[14:43:38] <stoned> And I think I'll switch over to zswap b/c lately I'm suffering LRU inversion
• 2106[14:43:56] <stoned> My zram devices get fulll and then new data gets pages to slower HDD
• 2107[14:44:13] <stoned> And now my zram devices contain old data, they're full so new pages get pushed to the next devices
• 2108[14:44:25] <stoned> once my zrams are full, things get slow. I think I'll check out zwap
• 2109[14:44:28] <stoned> zswap
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• 2111[14:45:23] <x-fak> teraflops , i ask this because i have 1GB of RAM, and it's noted free 999Mb
• 2112[14:45:32] <zuzzas_> Hey, guys. What do you use to monitor package changes (as in NEWS and changelos changes) on a large deployments? I've used "apt-listchanges", but I have no idea how to make it scale, so our team isn't overrun by tons of emails after each "apt upgrade".
• 2113[14:46:26] <don_armstrong> zuzzas_: usually on large deployments you have a master image which runs in testing which you watch and track, and none of the deployed machines run apt-listchanges
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• 2117[14:47:49] <zuzzas_> don_armstrong: yeah, that makes sense. thanks!
• 2118[14:48:01] <dondelelcaro> (mainly because by the time you actually deploy it into production, it's too late to be reading the NEWS and changelogs)
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• 2126[14:51:45] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 2128[14:53:52] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 2147[15:04:54] <x-fak> stoned , what's the purpose of your first script?
• 2148[15:05:50] <stoned> x-fak: aliased to 'upgrade' in bashrc. Look at the script.
• 2149[15:06:04] <stoned> x-fak: 2nd script is zram setup (read about zram)
• 2150[15:06:18] <stoned> x-fak: third is clearin stale ram caches
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• 2153[15:07:21] <x-fak> stoned , where do you see a third one?
• 2154[15:07:36] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2155[15:07:41] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2156[15:07:50] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 2159[15:07:57] <stoned> Ah right. Frist wasn't for you.
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• 2161[15:08:05] <stoned> But you can use it too if you want. It's handy
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• 2164[15:08:57] <x-fak> stoned , ok i will call it upgrade.sh
• 2165[15:09:16] <stoned> Read the script anbd don't run it blindly
• 2166[15:09:30] <stoned> It also removes stale configs and couple other things it does you may or may not want
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• 2170[15:10:01] <x-fak> stoned , it's not like i am an APT guru
• 2171[15:10:08] <stoned> You should becoem one.
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• 2173[15:10:24] <stoned> Just a little minute to go through apt-get manuals
• 2174[15:10:40] <stoned> Do like an hour a day, within a couple of weeks you'll be awesome
• 2175[15:11:23] <x-fak> i dont get something
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• 2177[15:11:31] <x-fak> if it SHOULD be like in your script
• 2178[15:11:40] <x-fak> why isnt it all automated by the OS?
• 2179[15:11:47] <stoned> There is no should or should not. It's just what I wanted.
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• 2184[15:13:02] <john-soda> Hello together! I'm running debian testing witch cinnamon desktop. Since an update, I don't know which one, my buttons are gone from my dark blackbird theme. replaced-url
• 2185[15:13:23] <stoned> john-soda: probably #debian-next on oftc
• 2186[15:13:36] <squidgirl> guggu, i have apt getted vim-python-jedi but i dont know how to enable it in vim.. :help jedi-vim dos not give the help also
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• 2189[15:14:28] <john-soda> stoned: thanks! I try.
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• 2199[15:17:05] <stoned> john-soda: you might also want apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges while using testing
• 2200[15:17:33] <x-fak> <stoned> replaced-url
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• 2202[15:17:46] <stoned> Yup
• 2203[15:17:52] <stoned> OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64/x86_64-Distro: Debian 8.4-CPU: 4 x Intel Core2 Quad (3775.102 MHz)-Processes: 652-Uptime: 8d 20h 16m-Users: 4-Load Average: 0.37-Memory Usage: 2013.92MB/8002.51MB (-197.36%)-Disk Usage: 3379.53GB/3734.40GB (90.50%)
• 2204[15:18:06] <stoned> So I have 8GB ram, and a quad core cpu
• 2205[15:18:30] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 2207[15:19:22] <stoned> So the script loads the zram module and setups 4 zram devices, 512 mb each.
• 2208[15:19:39] <stoned> Once you read about zram the script will become crystal clear.
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• 2212[15:20:49] <stoned> Also read about how to setup linux swap spaces as that's what zram script is doing w/ the mkswap and swapon. Instead of creating a swap file or partition, it takes a bit of ram and uses that as a swap ramdisk, compressed.
• 2213[15:21:00] <stoned> It's very useful imo with low ram systems like mine.
• 2214[15:21:07] <stoned> Chrome is a horrendous memory hog.
• 2215[15:22:01] <Ingvix> with what command or procedure can I get this view in debian with no desktop: replaced-url
• 2216[15:22:01] <Ingvix> It appears when ever I log in to the system but there are times when I'd like to see it other times too
• 2217[15:22:34] <x-fak> stoned , i've partially read, is it a kind of RAM fs?
• 2218[15:22:59] <stoned> Read in full.
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• 2221[15:24:59] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 2223[15:25:31] <stoned> I had like space 79gb at the very end of a green disk so I made it the low priority disk swap
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• 2225[15:26:09] <JyZyXEL> whats the difference between "letsencrypt", "letsencrypt.sh" and "letsencrypt.sh-apache2"?
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• 2262[15:41:58] <fuzzy-logic> Ingvix: inxi might be to tool to use. run man inxi (if its insatalled) on your system and look at the switches. I use 'inxi -c 5 -b a lot.
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• 2264[15:42:20] <Ingvix> okay, thanks
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• 2266[15:43:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> JyZyXEL, where do you get that? the debian package I have only has "letsencrypt"
• 2267[15:43:23] <JyZyXEL> CutMeOwnThroat: jessie-backports
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• 2269[15:43:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> but I backported it from testing/unstable before there was a backport
• 2270[15:44:42] <JyZyXEL> oh ffs, there is also "python-letsencrypt" and "python-letsencrypt-apache"
• 2271[15:44:56] <JyZyXEL> now im not gonna end up using any of these because i have no clue which one im supposed to use
• 2272[15:45:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> read manpages?
• 2273[15:45:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> or call with --help
• 2274[15:45:26] <themill> the python- versions are python modules
• 2275[15:45:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> anyway... probably doesn't matter
• 2276[15:45:37] <jelly> JyZyXEL: google to the rescue? replaced-url
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• 2279[15:47:34] <JyZyXEL> jelly: yes! perfect.
• 2280[15:47:53] <JyZyXEL> i didn't realize they were all separate "clients"
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• 2282[15:49:14] <sadmagic> hi
• 2283[15:49:20] <sadmagic> anyone have some time to help a noob out?
• 2284[15:49:25] <sadmagic> My debian server is fscked
• 2285[15:49:29] <sadmagic> replaced-url
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• 2287[15:49:34] <sadmagic> Something funky going on with my raid?? Can I extend the timeout?
• 2288[15:49:39] <jelly> stoned: I found 1:1 up to 1:1.5 of RAM:zram size still works well on a workstation. So if you have 8GB RAM, set something like 2x4GB or 4x2GB zram with swap on it
• 2289[15:49:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> JyZyXEL, you need to automate it somehow with cron etc
• 2290[15:50:01] <stoned> jelly: hunh.
• 2291[15:50:08] <stoned> Where did you get this info mate?
• 2292[15:50:09] <jelly> stoned: and if your workload needs even more than that... then fuck, buy more RAM
• 2293[15:50:20] <stoned> Well yeah, but I'm out of slots on this DDR2 machine :D
• 2294[15:50:20] <jelly> stoned: empirical evidence
• 2295[15:50:25] <jelly> (tried it)
• 2296[15:50:27] <stoned> Ah
• 2297[15:50:32] <stoned> Thanks man
• 2298[15:50:35] <stoned> I apprecaite you
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• 2300[15:51:07] <stoned> Hey, any debianites in Denver?
• 2301[15:51:11] <jelly> and avoid giving all cores to zram with swap, apps need cpu, too
• 2302[15:51:17] <stoned> jelly: ok.
• 2303[15:51:39] <stoned> jelly: according to what I read on forums etc. and the documentation, I figure this might be best. But I'll 2x2gb on 2 cores
• 2304[15:52:00] <jelly> multimedia gets skippy even with zram swapping if you have as many zram devs as cpu cores
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• 2306[15:52:19] <stoned> I hadn't noticed that yet, but in youtube, yeah. Hm.. Word.
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• 2325[15:59:41] <sadmagic> I am a victim of systemd!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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• 2327[16:00:46] <stoned> oh shush
• 2328[16:00:49] <stoned> :)
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• 2332[16:01:31] <RoyK> sadmagic: calm down, it gets better :)
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• 2345[16:07:00] <sadmagic> That's it, i'm fucking moving to Windows or Devuan system fucking DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
• 2346[16:07:12] <jml2> !ops sadmagic trolling
• 2347[16:07:13] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jml2 complains about: sadmagic trolling
• 2348[16:07:18] <jml2> bye bye sadmagic
• 2349[16:07:23] <sadmagic> not trolling
• 2350[16:07:24] <sadmagic> fuck you
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• 2353[16:07:28] <sadmagic> you systemd loving
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• 2356[16:07:32] <stoned> jml2: calm down
• 2357[16:07:36] <stoned> sadmagic: chill out man
• 2358[16:07:43] <sadmagic> it's fucked my whol system
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• 2360[16:07:52] <sadmagic> or at least my raid
• 2361[16:08:09] <sadmagic> commenting out the mount of the raid has helped but this is some systemd bug
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• 2363[16:08:20] <stoned> What's the problem exactly
• 2364[16:08:41] <sadmagic> my system is fucked and all my data is on my raid that systemd screwed
• 2365[16:08:45] <sadmagic> this is what I see:
• 2366[16:08:47] <toruvinn> sadmagic, can't boot from systemd? problems with filesystems? your own kernel? you're most likely missing something systemd requires.
• 2367[16:08:51] <sadmagic> replaced-url
• 2368[16:09:05] <themill> sadmagic: if you want help, this is not the way to get it
• 2369[16:09:11] <toruvinn> yep that's it, you have an old kernel or probably your own
• 2370[16:09:14] <sadmagic> I saw some message about Plymoth, I have no idea what the fuck that is
• 2371[16:09:16] <toruvinn> missing features systemd requires. gimme a sec.
• 2372[16:09:25] <sadmagic> typical system d fucking my day
• 2373[16:09:27] <stoned> hang on man. and calm down
• 2374[16:09:32] <jelly> jml2: could you keep down with the !ops
• 2375[16:09:42] <stoned> relax. You're not going to solve your shit by going donkey shit
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• 2377[16:09:45] <toruvinn> sadmagic, replaced-url
• 2378[16:09:45] <stoned> relax.
• 2379[16:09:46] <jml2> jelly, read up its pretty bad
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• 2381[16:09:58] <jml2> jelly, swearing like 10 times
• 2382[16:10:01] <stoned> jml2: guy is having a bad day. relax man. he's not trolling.
• 2383[16:10:01] <sadmagic> stoned, I probably need some weed man
• 2384[16:10:13] <stoned> sadmagic: it's cool man. just calm down. We'll help you figure it out
• 2385[16:10:16] <jml2> also it looks like VM environment his snapshot
• 2386[16:10:18] <sadmagic> thanks
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• 2388[16:10:39] <sadmagic> it's not its iLO
• 2389[16:10:40] <jelly> jml2: I did read.
• 2390[16:10:48] <jml2> jelly, ok whatever fuck.
• 2391[16:10:52] <jml2> :)
• 2392[16:10:52] <toruvinn> sadmagic, replaced-url
• 2393[16:10:55] <jml2> fuck systemd.
• 2394[16:10:58] <jml2> lol
• 2395[16:11:18] <jelly> sadmagic: so, how about logging in and inspecting what happened as the prompt suggests?
• 2396[16:11:28] <jml2> but i'm not going to help him with that kind of attitude.
• 2397[16:11:40] <jml2> jelly.
• 2398[16:11:44] <jelly> jml2: if you're not going to help, just keep quiet
• 2399[16:12:01] <jml2> jelly, well you help him then. and take the profanity then.
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• 2401[16:12:29] <stoned> That happend with me once on an ntfs disk. wouln't mount my 2gb green ntfs backup disk. Kept going on in a loop. I rebooted into single user mode, commented out the fstab line for the device, rebooted into the machine, was fine. Rebooted to window, scandisk, fix ntfs errors, remount in linux, works again
• 2402[16:12:30] <sadmagic> you take it jml2
• 2403[16:12:33] <xuhui> Good night everyone
• 2404[16:12:35] <sadmagic> take the profanity!!!!!!!!!
• 2405[16:12:37] <sadmagic> take it
• 2406[16:12:41] <toruvinn> sadmagic, anyway, had the same bullcrap and turned out i didnt have some features systemd needed in my kernel.
• 2407[16:12:45] <themill> sadmagic, jml2: enough, thanks.
• 2408[16:12:57] <sadmagic> toruvinn, the link you posted?
• 2409[16:13:02] <sadmagic> is that all I need?
• 2410[16:13:04] <sadmagic> it can't be!
• 2411[16:13:09] <sadmagic> If so, praise god
• 2412[16:13:12] <toruvinn> sadmagic, yeah the debian.org one, it links to upstream readme too, which is what you want even more i guess
• 2413[16:13:22] <hiya> how to view the bottom notification bar?
• 2414[16:13:38] <jelly> sadmagic: are you using a custom kernel? Which debian release is this? Are you able to log in at that prompt at all?
• 2415[16:13:47] <sadmagic> toruvinn, I will give it a shot now. going forward I'm avoiding systems with system fucking sucking the d
• 2416[16:13:50] <toruvinn> sadmagic, if you use jessie's distro kernel then everything's in there already... however, you apparently don't.
• 2417[16:13:58] <toruvinn> sadmagic, i love systemd as much as you do :-)
• 2418[16:14:13] <sadmagic> cat /etc/debian_version
• 2419[16:14:13] <sadmagic> 8.4
• 2420[16:14:18] <toruvinn> i was incredibly sad to hear that debian 8 moved to systemd by default
• 2421[16:14:23] <themill> sadmagic: drop the attitude, last request.
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• 2423[16:14:28] <toruvinn> which is why i still have wheezy here and there.
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• 2425[16:14:41] <jelly> sadmagic: show the output of "journalctl -xb"
• 2426[16:14:41] <sadmagic> toruvinn, thumbs up for you buddy
• 2427[16:14:59] <toruvinn> jelly, he can't boot, how can he run journalctl? ;^)
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• 2429[16:15:18] <toruvinn> jelly, i'm almost entirely sure it's lacking kernel options compiled in, really, had the same thing.
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• 2433[16:15:36] <stoned> sadmagic: ssytemd is an elusive beast.
• 2434[16:15:38] <jelly> toruvinn: look at the screenshot.
• 2435[16:15:49] <toruvinn> jelly, yes, i am looking at replaced-url
• 2436[16:15:51] <sadmagic> systemd-sysv is already the newest version.
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• 2441[16:16:02] <jelly> toruvinn: the second one shows the emergency root password prompt.
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• 2444[16:16:30] <jelly> toruvinn: and a couple lines of what might be done after logging in
• 2445[16:16:47] <sadmagic> why the fuck is my raid gone :''(((((((((((((
• 2446[16:16:58] <jelly> sadmagic: why the fuck can't you answer questions
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• 2449[16:17:08] <sadmagic> what question?
• 2450[16:17:16] <sadmagic> I don't have a custom kernel
• 2451[16:17:22] <sadmagic> I have box standard debian
• 2452[16:17:23] <jelly> sadmagic: so, how about logging in and inspecting what happened as the prompt suggests?
• 2453[16:17:31] <jelly> sadmagic: show the output of "journalctl -xb"
• 2454[16:17:34] <sadmagic> it doesn't tell me shit
• 2455[16:17:48] <jelly> it tells you to log in and look what failed
• 2456[16:17:54] <sadmagic> it tells me system d suck it's fucking cock in my mouth and fucked me and deleted all my data
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• 2458[16:18:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
• 2459[16:18:00] *** jelly sets mode: +q *!*@host109-151-159-174.range109-151.btcentralplus.com
• 2460[16:18:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o jelly
• 2461[16:18:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +q *!*@109.151.159.174
• 2462[16:18:06] <jml2> about time.
• 2463[16:18:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +q *!*@66.131.157.108
• 2464[16:18:18] <stoned> \o/
• 2465[16:18:32] <toruvinn> sadmagic, if that was dist-upgrade, you may still be running not-the-newest-distro-kernel or something
• 2466[16:18:35] <stoned> epic picard double facepalm
• 2467[16:18:49] <toruvinn> but yeah, you do need to calm down.
• 2468[16:18:49] <jelly> jml2: drop the patronizing crap, or you're getting the... oh, someone else has done that.
• 2469[16:19:12] <stoned> sadmagic: eventuall you're going to piss people off and turn them off from helping you. Be cool.
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• 2473[16:21:01] <toruvinn> jelly, i remember having exactly the same problem quite some time ago, when dist-upgrading wheezy -> jess, had my own custom kernel IIRC without automounter compiled in. ended up exactly the same, systemd's fsck "forever" until it fails, maintenance login prompt which... im not entirely sure it worked at all.
• 2474[16:21:10] <toruvinn> hopefully it's the same problem.
• 2475[16:21:24] <toruvinn> sadly i think i deleted my kvm screengrabs from back then
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• 2477[16:22:03] <toruvinn> kinda funny cause i went through the KERNEL REQUIREMENTS list, but i still missed one option somehow...
• 2478[16:22:26] <toruvinn> took 2 hours of comparing .config from distro and my custom to figure things out :-/
• 2479[16:22:28] <stoned> Why did debian adopt systemd?
• 2480[16:22:37] <toruvinn> stoned, to annoy people! ;^)
• 2481[16:22:43] <stoned> :)
• 2482[16:22:49] <stoned> Mission accomplished
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• 2485[16:23:31] <toruvinn> i dunno, i really hate all this "let's build everything into one package". reminds me of an old PC vs Mac pic, with webcam being broken...
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• 2487[16:23:48] <stoned> Ditto
• 2488[16:23:56] <toruvinn> replaced-url
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• 2495[16:25:25] <stoned> Haha
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• 2498[16:26:40] <jelly> toruvinn: it's not the fsck service here, it's bringing up md0
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• 2501[16:26:56] <teraflops> All this jokes about debian and systemd with no reasoning. This is a reflection of your own ignorance
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• 2506[16:27:35] <RoyK> heh 'systemd messed up my raid' - I wonder how that could be possible
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• 2508[16:27:47] <jelly> there are valid technical reasons to whine about systemd, but it TELLS the admin what to do next right there on the console...
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• 2512[16:28:22] <SirLagz> does systemd eventually start the system if /etc/network/interfaces is setup incorrectly?
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• 2514[16:28:49] <jelly> sadmagic: so if you're willing to stick to tech support, and provide info when asked for, you can do that. Keep the frustrated comments out of the channel, please.
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• 2516[16:28:53] <ompaul_> SirLagz: there is a timeout for pretty much everything.
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• 2518[16:29:10] <SirLagz> ompaul_: I guess I didn't wait long enough then
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• 2525[16:32:15] <jelly> ompaul_: sometimes the timeout is 40+ minutes
• 2526[16:32:17] <teraflops> Systemd default timeout for units is 90 secs if I remember it correctly
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• 2528[16:33:00] <jelly> i suspect the ifupdown interactions will be solved by moving to systemd's network setup in stretch
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• 2530[16:33:25] <SirLagz> jelly: 40 minutes seems pretty broken lol
• 2531[16:33:26] <stoned> teraflops: I don't mind either way. It's whatever. systemd/sysv whatever. It's all the same to me
• 2532[16:33:32] <SirLagz> jelly: especially if it stops a system from starting up
• 2533[16:33:55] <stoned> The learning curve of the new thing can be frustrating/annoying for some but that's easly overcome
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• 2535[16:34:02] <jelly> SirLagz: it's hard to report it when my desktop is half between jessie and stretch
• 2536[16:34:13] <jelly> so I didn't
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• 2539[16:34:30] <SirLagz> jelly: if I try it again, I'll let you know how long it takes with a buggered interfaces file lol
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• 2542[16:36:04] <jelly> at least sadmagic has iLO so they can boot a rescue .iso if they're incapable of using systemd's emergency shell
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• 2544[16:36:33] <toogley> where should i put a *.desktop file of a __manual__ installed application? i want it to appear in the xfce4 menu.
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• 2546[16:36:58] <jelly> toogley: ~/.local/share/applications/ maybe?
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• 2549[16:38:27] <toogley> jelly: thanks
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• 2551[16:38:48] <hexnewbie> toogley: /usr/share/applications may also work if it is a system-wide installed one
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• 2553[16:39:57] <jelly> hexnewbie: ITYM /usr/local/share/applications
• 2554[16:40:14] <jelly> /usr is prefix for packaged stuff
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• 2556[16:40:30] <ompaul_> jelly: I've seen 1 minute 30
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• 2558[16:41:25] <hexnewbie> toogley: Or what jelly says. I was going to suggest /usr/local/share/applications, but I was confused by the directory not existing on my system.
• 2559[16:41:33] <teraflops> 90 secs
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• 2561[16:41:50] <jelly> hexnewbie: hmm, I'm not sure what created it here
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• 2565[16:43:26] <toogley> hexnewbie: thanks
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• 2589[16:53:45] <sadmagic> replaced-url
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• 2592[16:54:01] <joze> when systemd-ng?
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• 2594[16:55:18] <sadmagic> replaced-url
• 2595[16:55:18] <sadmagic> Debugging: Sometimes it is necessary to investigate why systemd hangs on startup or on reboot/shutdown.
• 2596[16:55:19] <sadmagic> lol
• 2597[16:55:20] <sadmagic> no
• 2598[16:55:28] <sadmagic> debian has ended
• 2599[16:56:12] <sadmagic> debian is fucking dead just like Ian Murdock
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• 2603[16:56:22] <jml2> omg
• 2604[16:56:23] <jml2> omg
• 2605[16:56:25] <Johntitor> sadmagic: stfu
• 2606[16:56:29] <stoned> Hey man.
• 2607[16:56:32] <stoned> That's not cool.
• 2608[16:56:56] <Johntitor> fucking pricks
• 2609[16:56:59] <zuzzas_> Edgy.
• 2610[16:57:16] <stoned> RIP Ian
• 2611[16:57:24] <sadmagic> systemd is probably why Ian killed himself too.
• 2612[16:57:25] <jml2> sadmagic, so the mods give you another chance and now i think you really crossed the line
• 2613[16:57:30] <jml2> unbelievable
• 2614[16:57:36] <polyzen> wat
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• 2616[16:57:58] <stoned> misdirected anger and hatred.
• 2617[16:58:05] <stoned> I feel bad for sadmagic
• 2618[16:58:07] * polyzen hands out popcorn
• 2619[16:58:07] <sadmagic> jml2, go to bed you little weirdo
• 2620[16:58:31] <jml2> wow so disgusting
• 2621[16:58:40] <sadmagic> systemd is the cancer that killed linux
• 2622[16:58:45] <dutchfish> sadmagic, stop that, please.
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• 2625[16:58:58] <sadmagic> there was a dream I once had
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• 2627[16:59:20] <polyzen> jelly ^
• 2628[16:59:20] <stoned> I have a dream.. that one day, people won't be assholes to each other.
• 2629[16:59:27] <sadmagic> In this dream, I had a vision of a system that worked out of the box
• 2630[16:59:28] <stoned> But that remains to be a dream.
• 2631[16:59:35] <sadmagic> this dream was real
• 2632[16:59:39] <sadmagic> I was living that dream
• 2633[16:59:55] <zuzzas_> Why are you responding to him?
• 2634[16:59:55] <stoned> Debian has kept me happy since 2001
• 2635[16:59:57] <sadmagic> until systemd came along and fucked me in the ass and killed the system
• 2636[17:00:00] <Johntitor> I wonder why #debian is a troll magnet
• 2637[17:00:09] <sadmagic> I'm not a fucking troll
• 2638[17:00:13] <themill> sadmagic: you've had your chance and you apparently don't want help
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• 2640[17:00:15] <hexnewbie> sadmagic: I am pretty sure that was ALSA
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• 2642[17:00:19] *** sadmagic was kicked by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.)
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• 2644[17:00:28] <stoned> It's not. He's just having a bad day and taking his anger out on debian and venting in here. He'll grow up eventually.
• 2645[17:00:30] <jml2> themill, we love you
• 2646[17:00:41] <jml2> really he was given another chance
• 2647[17:00:45] <jml2> that went way too far
• 2648[17:00:54] <jml2> sheesh
• 2649[17:00:58] <stoned> Free Will is an illusion.
• 2650[17:01:10] <stoned> Retributivist mindsets are detrimetnal to humanity.
• 2651[17:01:16] <jml2> i hate it when people come on like this
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• 2653[17:01:19] <polyzen> plot twist: he's in his 40ps
• 2654[17:01:20] <jml2> ruins the whole irc experience
• 2655[17:01:21] <polyzen> 40s*
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• 2660[17:01:38] <Johntitor> stoned: heh
• 2661[17:01:42] <stoned> Mine's not ruined. I didn't let it. You shouldn't either
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• 2670[17:06:55] <toogley> hexnewbie: yeah. i'm satisfied with the .local variant, thanks :D
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• 2689[17:21:40] <mapm> hello, I have a debian 8 in a lenovo X11, and I have a problem with the sound: I can only have one program at once producing sound. I have an "~/.asoundrc" like this: pcm.!hdmi {
• 2690[17:21:41] <mapm> type hw
• 2691[17:21:41] <mapm> card 0
• 2692[17:21:41] <mapm> device 3
• 2693[17:21:41] <mapm> }
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• 2696[17:22:17] <mapm> sorry for the flooding, my mistake
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• 2700[17:23:17] <Johntitor> mapm: is there any reason for not using pulseaudio there?
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• 2705[17:24:01] <stoned> look at it for example and setup dmix
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• 2707[17:24:20] <mapm> JohnDoh, I don't know pulseaudio!
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• 2710[17:25:20] <mapm> stoned, thank you I'll use this
• 2711[17:25:35] <hexnewbie> mapm: If you aren't using PulseAudio, you might need to enable the dmix plugin in ALSA instead. It's automatically enabled IIRC, but that might not happen when you're using a manual card specification.
• 2712[17:25:45] <hexnewbie> mapm: PulseAudio would be easier, though
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• 2718[17:26:55] <mapm> thank you guys, now I have some good tracks to follow
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• 2758[17:39:18] <hmir> Hi guys. I just ran the memtest option from the boot drive from the debian live cd. My question is, what am I supposed to get on the display? Right now my screen is blank.
• 2759[17:39:28] <hmir> And numlock does not turn on and off.
• 2760[17:40:03] <toogley> Johntitor: i think alsa is more simple than pulseaudio, which means i would always prefer alsa, unless i had to use pulseaudio for a reason
• 2761[17:40:05] <hmir> But if I press ctrl+alt+del it will reboot after a whole bunch of text on screen, so clearly it's not crashed. So I want to know what kind of screen output should I get while it runs the test?
• 2762[17:40:32] <Johntitor> toogley: it's the other way around
• 2763[17:41:04] <hexnewbie> hmir: A blue screen with a lot of text on it, displaying what is being tested, grouped in several pseudographics boxes, with errors in the bottom (red if any)
• 2764[17:41:33] <toogley> Johntitor: i thought pulseaudio was client server ?
• 2765[17:41:34] <hmir> shit, all i have is a blank screen. =(
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• 2767[17:41:51] <hmir> And, I don't think my mem is bad, I just did it on the spur of th emomemnt really.
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• 2769[17:43:05] <Johntitor> toogley: puldeaudio just run at top of alsa making things more friendly
• 2770[17:43:33] <Johntitor> Runs*
• 2771[17:43:57] <jelly> when hdmi audio does not work, it's much easier to debug and get running without PA in the way
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• 2774[17:45:35] <hexnewbie> His/her sound is working, just lacking software mixing from what I gather.
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• 2780[17:50:22] <nezZario> This is the second time I've had this happen
• 2781[17:50:49] <nezZario> How can I prevent this from happening in the future? Just a simple power loss and I had to run fsck which some how ended up with over 13,000 files in /lost+found
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• 2786[17:54:04] <Johntitor> nezZario: which filesystem?
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• 2789[17:54:48] <nezZario> ext4 sitting on mdadm
• 2790[17:55:17] <nezZario> yea, ext4: /dev/md1 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,nodiratime,discard,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
• 2791[17:55:31] <Johntitor> You mean sw raid?
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• 2793[17:55:55] <nezZario> correct...don't think that has any bearing on it but just for disclosure
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• 2795[17:57:49] <jml2> nezZario, i read if you add a "bitmap" to the mdadm raid it helps alot of having to do large resyncs, i'm not sure if that can help with corruption loss but it might add some other benefit --- I know that power-outage is hell for any storage electronics because the bio needs to be flushed ... You can shorten the bio-flush times --- (i suppose you might be thinking of a ups, that too helps a lot)
• 2796[17:58:25] <jml2> nezZario, (you might want to look at ext4 mountpoint options on the frequency of flush)
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• 2801[18:01:09] <dreamon> hello. I wrote a gtk c programm. is there a signal that is send when gtk gui is full shown. So I could starting my programm by this signal.?
• 2802[18:01:10] <nezZario> Hmm yeah a ups might be in order. They're cheap enough
• 2803[18:01:33] <nezZario> I appreciate the advice I'll take a look
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• 2813[18:07:46] <somiaj> dreamon: what do you mean by gtk gui is full shown? gtk is just a widigt set, not a full gui.
• 2814[18:08:36] <dreamon> somiaj, sorry english is not my main language.
• 2815[18:09:52] <dreamon> gtk_widget_show_all (window); gtk_main (); → so it starts building the windows of my programm.
• 2816[18:10:00] <somiaj> dreamon: that is fine, I'm just trying to clarify what you want to achieve. I may not be able to help, but maybe I could point you in the right direction.
• 2817[18:10:10] <dreamon> Is there a signal send wenn all is ready drawn.
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• 2823[18:10:33] <somiaj> dreamon: I don't know gtk well enough to know how to tell when gtk has fully drawn/loaded the window.
• 2824[18:10:40] <dreamon> somiaj, I thankfull for every help
• 2825[18:11:04] <hmir> Guys, are there any debian specific SSD settings I need to do i.e. TRIM, or are these all handled automatically by the kernel?
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• 2828[18:11:31] <somiaj> dreamon: any reason you want to do this, i.e. why do you want the program to trigger somethign when it is done?
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• 2830[18:11:59] <somiaj> hmir: some are, but I think things like TRIM may need have the option incldued in /etc/fstab for the filesystems being used
• 2831[18:12:16] <somiaj> hmir: note that for the most part ssd's are a lot better than they originally were and may use them just fine without any extra settings.
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• 2836[18:13:27] <dreamon> I wanted to start my code at start my code automaticly.. after windows is ready.. till now I used a timer → g_timeout_add(200,(GSourceFunc)timer_call,callobj);
• 2837[18:13:59] <dreamon> But on rasberrypi timer is started before window is ready drawn..
• 2838[18:14:17] <somiaj> hmir: the only thing I have added to my ssd options are noatime and discard, but I also got this ssd fairly early.
• 2839[18:15:11] <somiaj> hmir: from my understanding is many ssd's should not have much of an effect without this. Some of the older (poorer quality ones) may get some help from this, and some don't even support it. It might be worth researching the actual ssd device/firmware to see what would be approraite.
• 2840[18:15:27] <Johntitor> hmir: /usr/share/doc/util-linux/examples/fstrim.timer & /usr/share/doc/util-linux/examples/fstrim.service
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• 2844[18:16:11] <hmir> thanks, somiaj, Johntitor.
• 2845[18:16:33] <somiaj> dreamon: have you tried a gtk programing channel? This seems to be something that I think they would have a standard solution for. I just don't know the code at all so can't be much help.
• 2846[18:16:34] <Johntitor> hmir: you can create the unit and the timer they work as intended, the timer defaults to 1 time every week
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• 2850[18:17:11] <dreamon> somiaj, yes. nobody is answering. :(
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• 2852[18:17:27] <jmcnaught> hmir: replaced-url
• 2853[18:17:30] <somiaj> dreamon: sometimes in the smaller channels you just need to be more patient whil you try google.
• 2854[18:17:55] <dreamon> ok Thanks
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• 2865[18:25:14] <jml2> jmcnaught, assuming the ssd drive is new, unallocated space is automatically used as cell provision
• 2866[18:26:14] <jml2> jmcnaught, (the drive's internal logistics make use of it)
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• 2869[18:27:06] <jmcnaught> jml2: true, you can also hedge this by leaving some space unused. also some ssds are blacklisted by the kernel from using discard anyways
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• 2871[18:27:37] <jml2> jmcnaught, that's what i use with luks
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• 2874[18:27:55] <jml2> jmcnaught, though if the drive is not blacklisted i would try to test to see if trim is still supported..
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• 2876[18:28:14] <hmir> Guys, what is the best way to migrate my entire xfce theme/appearance/panel settings from my ubuntu to debian system with both running the same version of xfce. I copied the theme from /usr/share/theme and i copied the xfce4 folder from inside $/.config/ but it didn't properly work. Only partially at best.
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• 2878[18:28:26] <jml2> jmcnaught, note: a "secure erase" would be necessary on a new install, that would then make unallocated space effective for the extra provision
• 2879[18:28:42] <jml2> jmcnaught, (that is if the drive was fully used before and was never using trim)
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• 2881[18:29:22] <jml2> ( bit risky, but it's worked well moderately whenever i need to use it replaced-url
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• 2884[18:30:04] <jml2> the way i do it, is to avoid trim altgoether and try to have the ssd use the cell provision as much as possible, been reading many bad things with trim support in linux
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• 2888[18:30:58] <jml2> hmir, maybe the paths are different for the config
• 2889[18:31:16] <hmir> jjjjjjjjjnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
• 2890[18:31:22] <hmir> Sorry.
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• 2892[18:31:28] <jml2> oO
• 2893[18:31:39] <jml2> hmir, i only see ~/.config , ..
• 2894[18:31:49] <Johntitor> hmir: you have a cat? :P
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• 2897[18:32:50] <hmir_> Yes, is there anything else i need to copy besides ~/.config/xfce4/ to copy over my xfce desktop panel settings????
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• 2900[18:33:54] <hexnewbie> hmir_: I'm not using Xfce, but there may be things in ~/.local as well
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• 2904[18:35:35] <hmir_> Okay, thanks. Will check.
• 2905[18:35:45] <hexnewbie> hmir_: Oh, and ~/.cache, though those usually aren't of high importance. Configuration goes in ~/.config, essential data goes in ~/.local/share and non-essential data goes in ~/.cache
• 2906[18:36:13] <hmir_> For sources.list file, it just lists main. I can add "contriib" and "non-free" to the line?
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• 2909[18:37:03] <hexnewbie> hmir_: You can, if you have non-free programs to install, that is :)
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• 2916[18:38:40] <jml2> hmir, y
• 2917[18:38:57] <jml2> hmir, you can also clone that line and replace jessie with jessie-backports to also have backports
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• 2919[18:39:10] <jml2> hmir, (btw it's "contrib", not contriib)
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• 2936[18:46:41] <wsky> do i need a sim card installed to use a thinkpad x220 gps module?
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• 2938[18:47:04] <wsky> or can gps itself work without a simcard
• 2939[18:47:19] <wsky> because it's bond altogether with the wwan module
• 2940[18:47:50] <wsky> i think it is, i'm unsure how to check that, all i know is i have a wwan module installed
• 2941[18:47:53] <toruvinn> wsky, depends on the module, but the one i have in says that you need any simcard in.
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• 2943[18:47:56] <toruvinn> wsky, even one that's not working
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• 2945[18:48:08] <toruvinn> wsky, you should probably google your wwan model
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• 2947[18:48:10] <toruvinn> check lsusb
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• 2951[18:49:53] <wsky> toruvinn: ok thanks, thinkwiki says i indeed need a sim card
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• 2953[18:50:03] <toruvinn> you probably have the same card i have ;-)
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• 2955[18:50:39] <toruvinn> wsky, i have an old unused (and "disabled" by the carrier) card around, you can come pick it up any time ;-)PP
• 2956[18:50:51] <wsky> :D|
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• 2958[18:52:12] <toruvinn> oh btw, since people here know a lot of weird things, anyone else had CompuTrace in their x220? mine has it (bought it used, company i bought it from was apparently using those). i contacted them, but they stopped responding after some time ("waiting for the company to respond to their inquiry")... anyone ever tried removing this crap?;-)
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• 2960[18:52:21] <toruvinn> google said it wasn't that easy
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• 2965[18:54:19] <toruvinn> actually, i should just email "absolute" again i guess.
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• 2970[18:56:23] <wsky> toruvinn: i have no bloody idea what computrance is
• 2971[18:56:42] <wsky> toruvinn: and i found a sim card of mine that is dedicated for accessing internet
• 2972[18:56:56] <toruvinn> wsky, should be perfect, good luck :-)
• 2973[18:57:02] <wsky> wasn't payed for a while but i know the isp provides free access on it for limited time
• 2974[18:57:19] <toruvinn> to use gps i dont think you even need it to connect to the carrier.
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• 2976[18:57:24] <toruvinn> you just need a card in for whatever reason
• 2977[18:57:38] <hmir> What is midori?
• 2978[18:57:44] <wsky> a web browser
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• 2980[18:57:52] <wsky> gecko based afaik
• 2981[18:58:46] <wsky> ok need to hibernate this machine and insert the card
• 2982[18:59:29] <toruvinn> hmir, it's green in japanese ;-)
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• 2991[19:02:09] <hmir> Everytime I login, I get the xscreensaver is really old message. What do I do? Disable it? Updae it? How?
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• 2994[19:02:59] <markybob> hmir: it's fixed. just apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
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• 2998[19:03:54] <markybob> hmir: assuming your sources are correct (you need to have jessie-updates) in there
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• 3000[19:04:11] <stoned> replaced-url
• 3001[19:04:12] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3005[19:04:40] <stoned> 'Obnoxious'. LOL
• 3006[19:04:45] <hmir> Oops, pressed ctrl-q on the wrong keyboard.
• 3007[19:04:47] <stoned> Ahhhh boy. People are funny
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• 3026[19:09:15] <hmir> Isn't deluser the commane to delete a user?
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• 3029[19:09:28] <stoned> sure
• 3030[19:09:31] <stoned> deluser/userdel
• 3031[19:09:35] <hmir> When I use it, it says deleted, but when I try to adduser with the same account name, it won't let me, says user already exists.
• 3032[19:09:50] <stoned> how did you run the command
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• 3034[19:09:56] <stoned> brb
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• 3037[19:11:39] <hmir> Command I was looking for was userdel.
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• 3040[19:14:21] <jml2> hmir, try deluser (its the frontend for userdel)
• 3041[19:14:48] <wsky> toruvinn: hm i've inserted the card but i can't see an option to enable to connection in nm-applet
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• 3043[19:15:28] <wsky> toruvinn: also gps still seems to not be working
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• 3046[19:17:53] <jml2> wsky, does it show up in terminal?
• 3047[19:18:38] <wsky> jml2: where? the modem is being detected by the os but i have no option to connect to the network
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• 3049[19:19:22] <jml2> wsky, what type of modem?
• 3050[19:19:32] <wsky> 0bdb:1911
• 3051[19:19:37] <wsky> Bus 002 Device 006: ID 0bdb:1911 Ericsson Business Mobile Networks BV
• 3052[19:19:55] <jml2> wsky, there's a resource that lists compatible modems somewhere if forget i can check that
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• 3054[19:20:21] <wsky> it should be compatibile, the interface is being shown in ifconfig
• 3055[19:20:29] <wsky> but it's not configured since there is no connection
• 3056[19:20:32] <wsky> brb
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• 3058[19:20:50] <markybob> ,pciid 0bdb:1911
• 3059[19:20:51] <judd> [0bdb:1911] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
• 3060[19:21:03] <markybob> that doesn't look fun. good luck.
• 3061[19:21:03] <jml2> wsky, that stuff can be tricky
• 3062[19:21:18] <markybob> i'd just buy another
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• 3064[19:21:52] <MAGiC> hey
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• 3069[19:23:53] <wsky> jml2: ahh, i jsut had to reboot after inserting the card, it's being shown in nm-applet now
• 3070[19:24:42] <jml2> wsky, y i know some device behave like this, i had a usb cell that only worked after shutdown and powering on the machine
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• 3073[19:25:00] <jml2> wsky, because you see it listed though doesnt mean it'll necessary work
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• 3075[19:25:14] <jml2> wsky, -- you might likely see it listed as "wired" connection in nm
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• 3077[19:25:27] <wsky> jml2: it is being shown properly as celluar
• 3078[19:25:50] <wsky> it's just that i don't want ot connect yet since once i do i start a one month free plan
• 3079[19:26:13] <wsky> and i want it activate it only when i need it
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• 3082[19:27:00] <jml2> wsky, try it without the other network thing set to up -- as the default route would be going through the wired card
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• 3084[19:27:29] <wsky> what i'm more concerned about now is the gps, i want that to wor
• 3085[19:27:30] <wsky> k
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• 3100[19:33:48] <SzateX> Hi. I have problem with apt-get update: replaced-url
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• 3122[19:39:43] <wsky> toruvinn: so foxtrotgps still says there is no gps detected
• 3123[19:40:03] <wsky> i was following this: replaced-url
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• 3125[19:40:27] <wsky> but it looks pretty dated
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• 3132[19:43:38] <evilytwisted> whats debians chatroom?
• 3133[19:43:59] <bazhang> #debian-offtopic
• 3134[19:44:09] <evilytwisted> ty
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• 3140[19:46:26] <jmcnaught> SzateX: did you try running apt-get update again?
• 3141[19:46:41] <SzateX> jmcnaught: rather yes
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• 3144[19:46:54] <SzateX> and i tried apt-get upgrade
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• 3146[19:47:22] <jmcnaught> SzateX: i don't think it will resolve the issue, but have you considered using ftp.us.debian.org for jessie-backports, instead of ftp.debian.org?
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• 3149[19:47:48] <SzateX> jmcnaught: No
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• 3152[19:49:12] <jmcnaught> SzateX: i also have backports in my sources.list but i use a different mirror
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• 3155[19:49:38] <SzateX> jmcnaught: i want only install letsencrypt
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• 3160[19:51:53] <jmcnaught> SzateX: try changing the mirror for jessie-backports to the same one you use for all the others
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• 3164[19:52:50] <SzateX> jmcnaught: its my sources.list: replaced-url
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• 3171[19:54:19] <jmcnaught> SzateX: change lines 3 and 7 to ftp.us.debian.org instead of ftp.debian.org
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• 3175[19:55:52] <SzateX> jmcnaught: its not solve problem
• 3176[19:56:56] <kall> which other programs tech guys use usually? ftp/ssh/linux/github/webserver/
• 3177[19:57:02] <jmcnaught> SzateX: well at least now you're not putting strain on the main server by using a mirror :) so "apt-get update" gives the same message?
• 3178[19:57:11] <bazhang> not ftp kall
• 3179[19:57:28] <kall> ok bazhang
• 3180[19:57:33] <SzateX> jmcnaught: yes
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• 3186[20:01:38] <jmcnaught> SzateX: what version of apt do you have? "apt-cache policy apt"
• 3187[20:02:18] <SzateX> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 3194[20:04:48] <jmcnaught> SzateX: this is wrong, you don't have the jessie version of apt-get on your system. Was this computer upgraded from wheezy?
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• 3196[20:05:33] <SzateX> jmcnaught: no, it is vps, and freshly bought
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• 3201[20:06:04] <jmcnaught> SzateX: it's a broken VPS then. what does "uname -a" and "lsb_release -a" tell you?
• 3202[20:07:00] <SzateX> lsb_release -a
• 3203[20:07:02] <SzateX> ups :D
• 3204[20:07:08] <SzateX> replaced-url
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• 3207[20:09:33] <hmir> Guys, in debian, in the windows manager application, there is a style tab that lists allt he themes on the side that control the application's top border and the _oX and such. Can anyone tell me where these theme styles are stored?
• 3208[20:09:45] <jmcnaught> SzateX: this must be an OpenVZ VPS. You should also check to see what version of libc6 is installed (current version on jessie is 2.19-18+deb8u4). It sounds like whoever prepared this "debian 8" template did a botched job, probably in a misguided attempt to get it working on that ancient kernel
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• 3210[20:10:31] <SzateX> jmcnaught: how to check it?
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• 3216[20:12:00] <jmcnaught> SzateX: "apt-cache policy libc6 systemd-sysv" and just "apt-cache policy" without a package listed would be helpful
• 3217[20:12:37] <SzateX> replaced-url
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• 3220[20:13:41] <jmcnaught> SzateX: so far it's just the version of apt that is not current. "apt-cache policy" ?
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• 3225[20:16:28] <jmcnaught> SzateX: okay well the only pinned package is sysvinit which makes sense because the default init for Jessie (systemd) will not work on this Debian 6 era kernel. You could either 1) open a ticket with provider to ask why the version of the "apt" package is so old or 2) try an "apt-get dist-upgrade" and paste what it wants to do before answering yes
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• 3230[20:17:50] <SzateX> jmcnaught: ok i'm going to write ticket. Try 2 step now?
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• 3234[20:19:06] <jmcnaught> SzateX: sure. "apt list --upgradable" will also show a list of packages that can be upgraded
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• 3237[20:20:23] <hmir> what would be the simplest way to move files over my LAN between ubuntu laptop and debian desktop?
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• 3240[20:20:50] <wsky> hmir: probably cifs or nfs
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• 3242[20:21:16] <wsky> you could have a look at scp and ssfs too
• 3243[20:21:20] <wsky> and rsync
• 3244[20:21:44] <wsky> ok, now i have a question, is anyone around familiar with gpsd?
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• 3247[20:21:55] <SzateX> jmcnaught: "apt list --upgradable" doesn't exist on my system
• 3248[20:22:42] <SzateX> replaced-url
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• 3250[20:22:49] <jmcnaught> SzateX: oh yeah sorry, the "apt" command is new in jessie and your problem is outdated apt package
• 3251[20:22:52] <hmir> No need for cifs when both are linux laptops, wsky.
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• 3253[20:23:08] <hmir> SSHFS or sftp/scp - any other options?
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• 3256[20:23:24] <wsky> hmir: so go with nfs but cifs would work too
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• 3260[20:24:34] <SzateX> jmcnaught: we have problem: replaced-url
• 3261[20:24:40] <hmir> can I update just the xscreensaver application that keeps saying it is out of date when i login?
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• 3264[20:25:42] <hmir> Which is insists is already the newest version. The plot thickens...
• 3265[20:25:47] <jmcnaught> SzateX: for any packages that are mentioned in errors you might as well make a paste about them like : "apt-cache policy udev plymouth" but i would honestly consider thinking about a different VPS provider if you can get a refund
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• 3269[20:27:50] <SzateX> jmcnaught: i will ask they. But changing VPS provider have to wait to 20th May (i will test my app). Fortunetlly letsencrypt installed with no problems
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• 3279[20:32:06] <hankpete> hello everyone. I was wondering if I could get some help with rxvt terminal. I can't seem to get the perl extensions for copy paste working. i have perl in /usr/lib/urxvt/perl and in my .Xresources I pull all the supposed needed lines from guides. is there a dependency I am missing or something?
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• 3284[20:32:27] <hmir> Can I use the Ubuntu Lock screen application with debian?
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• 3286[20:32:46] <hmir> I uninstalled xscreensaver, but I can't seem to lock my desktop anymore.
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• 3298[20:38:02] <wsky> hmir: what is your de?
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• 3300[20:38:18] <wsky> hmir: many des wont lock your screen if you have no xscreensaver
• 3301[20:38:24] <jml2> hmir, shouldnt if it doesnt say debian compatible
• 3302[20:38:42] <jml2> hmir, debian and ubuntu used to share repositories, but that was years ago
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• 3305[20:40:56] <michael33> guys im trying to install python and some deps but i get this error
• 3306[20:40:58] <michael33> Unable to locate package python3-venv
• 3307[20:40:59] <awwal> wsky, you mean 'light-locker' pkg?
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• 3309[20:41:16] <michael33> this is the command im running:
• 3310[20:41:17] <michael33> sudo apt-get install python3-dev python3-pip python3.4-venv libjpeg-dev zlib1g-dev
• 3311[20:41:19] <jmcnaught> SzateX: i think that letsencrypt does require some of the packages that apt was complaining about, but it was complaining about virtual packages. it might be fine. sucks that you can't do dist-upgrade though. not often, but sometimes needed on debian stable
• 3312[20:42:07] <markybob> hmir: why did you do that? i told you xscreensaver got fixed and all you had to do was update/upgrade
• 3313[20:42:21] <awwal> wsky, if by ubuntu lock screen you meant light-locker, light-locker is available in debian, and you can use it just fine
• 3314[20:42:33] <wsky> awwal: why would i want to use it?
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• 3320[20:42:57] <wsky> i think you're mistaking me with hmir
• 3321[20:43:07] <awwal> wsky, excuses, nickname confusion. wanted to talk to hmir :)
• 3322[20:43:15] <wsky> right
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• 3325[20:44:22] <awwal> hmir, i guess light-locker only will work if you have lightdm installed
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• 3327[20:44:35] <markybob> how can you think installing xscreensaver from ubuntu is easier than update/upgrade in debian?
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• 3339[20:47:28] <Sam54> Hi. I'm running on a debian server. I have several instances of a java program. Sometimes I can't start new instances because the port they try to bind to is already used. But in fact ... it is'nt. How can-I resolve the problem ?
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• 3346[20:50:05] <hankpete> hello everyone. I was wondering if I could get some help with rxvt terminal. I can't seem to get the perl extensions for copy paste working. i have perl in /usr/lib/urxvt/perl and in my .Xresources I pull all the supposed needed lines from guides. is there a dependency I am missing or something?
• 3347[20:50:13] <hmir> awwal: But lightdm IS installed. The locker only apparently works with a screensaver installed.
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• 3349[20:50:49] <hmir> awwal: The author of xscreensavers says he doesn't want debian to ship xscreensaver with the distry. Says use gnome-screensaver instead. Is that safe to do with xfce?
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• 3351[20:51:59] <markybob> hmir: if you read the bug report you'd know it was resolved and it's not going away. lightdm isn't enough. you also need to apt-get install light-locker
• 3352[20:52:20] <markybob> then restart lightdm. done.
• 3353[20:52:36] <hmir> I'll try that right now, thanks.
• 3354[20:53:02] <awwal> hmir, I dont use light-locker, i dont know how it works. follow markybob; he uses both lightdm & light-locker :D
• 3355[20:53:03] <hmir> Why does debian ship with xscreensaver and not light-locker by default?
• 3356[20:53:12] <hmir> hmir
• 3357[20:53:13] <hmir>
• 3358[20:53:22] <markybob> because you need lightdm and most people dont use that
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• 3360[20:54:21] <hmir> i thought lightdm was the default for debian now?
• 3361[20:54:26] <hmir> How can I check what I am running?
• 3362[20:54:34] <markybob> only when you use xfce
• 3363[20:54:43] <awwal> hmir, which DE are you using?
• 3364[20:54:44] <stoned> I use kdm b/c it's nice
• 3365[20:54:52] <stoned> but i use xmonad and cli apps
• 3366[20:54:53] <hmir> awwal: DE?
• 3367[20:55:00] <awwal> lxde also comes with lightdm
• 3368[20:55:19] <awwal> desktop environement , hmir
• 3369[20:55:27] <hmir> xfce.
• 3370[20:55:37] <awwal> so you should have lightdm yet
• 3371[20:55:38] <hmir> I thought lightdm was the default for gnome also.
• 3372[20:55:48] <markybob> no. gdm3
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• 3375[20:56:30] <stoned> simplest fastest one is xdm
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• 3378[20:56:55] <stoned> if you don't need to switch env/wm etc. etc. just install your wm and install your xdm and call it a day
• 3379[20:57:05] <awwal> hmir, popup xscreensaver problem is solved with recent xscreensaver version. upgrade your pkg, or install light-locker alongside lightdm and configure it. dont know what we can tell you more
• 3380[20:57:09] <stoned> even if you do, just use update-alternatives
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• 3382[20:57:15] <hmir> Thanks alot guys. I uninstalled xscreensaver and installed light-locker.
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• 3384[20:57:16] <stoned> no need to mess w/ so much gooey stuff
• 3385[20:57:18] <hmir> And all is good!
• 3386[20:57:25] <stoned> yay
• 3387[20:57:46] <hmir> awwal: My xscreensaver was the laest version 5.30. And it STILL gave me the error.
• 3388[20:58:15] <markybob> that's because you needed deb2 of it which is in jessie-backports like i said
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• 3390[20:58:31] <toogley> i have a a xfce4-debian8 system. date reports a correct time (CEST), but the xfce4 clock applet does not. (it shows UTC although in the settings of that xfce4 program, the timezone is set correctly to europe berlin
• 3391[20:58:33] <markybob> jessie-updates*
• 3392[20:58:54] <awwal> hmir, like 3 years using debian and xscreensaver and I never got that xssaver popup about outdated version. dont know why, but never got them
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• 3394[20:59:13] <markybob> awwal: because it just started like a month ago
• 3395[20:59:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> markybob, as you're already talking about...so doess light-locker only work with lightdm? I installed and looked at light-locker when removal of xscreensaver was discussed but it wouldn't lock...
• 3396[20:59:25] <awwal> markybob, oh, ok
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• 3398[20:59:34] <hmir> markybob: So add the backports reposa and the update/upgrade?
• 3399[20:59:39] <toogley> output of timedatectl: replaced-url
• 3400[20:59:42] <markybob> CutMeOwnThroat: right
• 3401[21:00:03] <markybob> hmir: i misspoke just now. i didnt mean backports. it's in jessie-updates
• 3402[21:00:18] <hmir> How do i add that repo?
• 3403[21:00:31] <markybob> !tell hmir about sources.list
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• 3406[21:01:43] <tharkun> Is the debian torrent tracker down?
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• 3408[21:02:03] <markybob> tharkun: i tried a couple days ago and it was down. still worked with dht though
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• 3410[21:02:46] <hmir> Okay, added this like to my sources.list -> deb replaced-url
• 3411[21:02:47] <tharkun> It seems dht is also down since I get no response and stopped seeding sometime yesterday night.
• 3412[21:03:11] <markybob> hmir: you missed a space
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• 3414[21:04:18] <hmir> got it -> deb replaced-url
• 3415[21:04:25] <markybob> yes
• 3416[21:04:26] <hmir> Thanks!
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• 3418[21:04:40] <hmir> And real need to add the deb-src as well?
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• 3420[21:04:57] <markybob> not for most "normal" users no
• 3421[21:05:07] <hmir> Cool!
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• 3425[21:06:38] <awwal> toogley, what's your problem?
• 3426[21:06:46] <hmir> I asked this question earlier, but is debian 8 jessie SSD aware? Will it rcognize the SSD and optimize it for use for an SSD?
• 3427[21:06:58] <hmir> Or do I need to look into tweakng the settings?
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• 3429[21:07:05] <toogley> awwal: => i have a a xfce4-debian8 system. date reports a correct time (CEST), but the xfce4 clock applet does not. (it shows UTC although in the settings of that xfce4 program, the timezone is set correctly to europe berlin
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• 3432[21:07:29] <wsky> hmir: what you need to do is put hte 'discard' option to your filesystems, in order to make debian ssd aware
• 3433[21:07:29] <hmir> My understanding was that everything post kernel 2.8 was SSD aware but I can't remember the specifics.
• 3434[21:07:44] <hmir> In the fstab, wsky?
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• 3436[21:07:47] <wsky> yes
• 3437[21:07:49] <markybob> hmir: it won't optimize it per se...but...really, just leave the defaults alone. it'll be fine
• 3438[21:07:54] <hmir> Okay, I'll look into it.
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• 3440[21:08:23] <markybob> i see bad things in your future
• 3441[21:08:28] <hmir> Will the SSD do load balancing across NAND memory internally, and invisible to the OS?
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• 3443[21:08:47] <hmir> Bad things in my future, markybob? Why????!!!!!
• 3444[21:08:50] <hmir> =|
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• 3446[21:09:22] <markybob> you had such a hard time with jessie-updates and light-locker/xscreensaver and that's easy stuff. now you want to fuck around with fstab and other things...yeah, you won't boot :/
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• 3450[21:10:38] <hmir> No big deal!
• 3451[21:10:51] <markybob> cool. have fun with that.
• 3452[21:11:00] <hmir> I'm on it!
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• 3454[21:11:06] <hmir> dick pics
• 3455[21:11:08] <hmir> oops
• 3456[21:11:13] <hmir> sorry, wrong channel.
• 3457[21:11:55] <wsky> so i can see gpsdata being read in minicom but i can't get any app to work with gpsd
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• 3459[21:12:33] <unborn> fstab is pretty easy eh at least for me.. you only need to know it thats all. I guess soon or later he would be here with no big deal :)
• 3460[21:12:48] <unborn> markybob: hows your sat going?
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• 3464[21:13:34] <hmir> UGh.
• 3465[21:13:47] <hmir> Now I pressed Ctrl+q on the wrong jeyboard.
• 3466[21:13:52] <awwal> toogley, you may be better served in #debian-xfce (oftc)
• 3467[21:14:18] <toogley> awwal: ah, thansk
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• 3473[21:16:14] <Rene> Hi all!
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• 3475[21:17:13] <wsky> when i cat /dev/ttyACM2 it gives me no data
• 3476[21:17:18] <wsky> and it should read something
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• 3478[21:17:37] <wsky> however i can see the gps coordinates in minicom under /dev/ttyACM1 at the same time
• 3479[21:17:55] <Rene> I'm trying to figure out how to list all installed packages and also from what source.I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and i wanted to find those packages that are installed from somewhere else than standard repositories..
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• 3485[21:21:38] <hmir> Can I just change this like so for debian testing? -> deb replaced-url
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• 3488[21:22:08] <wsky> hmir: don't worry about markybob mocking you, they try to look scary here
• 3489[21:22:33] <hmir> (=
• 3490[21:23:11] <Aleksandar86> Where I can download driver for my Wifi Card bcm43142?
• 3491[21:23:27] <Aleksandar86> I wanna install driver via usb
• 3492[21:23:30] <Aleksandar86> how?
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• 3494[21:23:42] <markybob> hmir: stretch support is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic they'll help you
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• 3511[21:30:50] <unborn> Aleksandar86: replaced-url
• 3512[21:30:57] <unborn> 1st link from top
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• 3520[21:37:50] <jmcnaught> Rene: hello. first of all, were you following the squeeze release notes to do the upgrade?
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• 3522[21:39:21] <jmcnaught> Rene: a couple of commands that might help are "aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?origin(debian)))'" which looks for packages not in Debian, and "aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?archive(stable)))'" which looks for packages not in stable (like backports for example). "aptitude search ~o" also shows obsolete packages that can no longer be downloaded
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• 3524[21:39:51] <jmcnaught> !which repo
• 3525[21:39:51] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have come from, try replaced-url
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• 3527[21:40:18] <jmcnaught> Rene: see also the above message from dpkg for a way to see which repo a package came from
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• 3533[21:43:18] <awwal> toogley, xfce4 comes with 2 plugins for date. which one are you using? default?
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• 3536[21:43:42] <toogley> awwal: yes
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• 3539[21:45:36] <awwal> toogley, right now I'm not in xfce session so I dont remember the exact names of those plugins, but my suggestion is : edit your panel preference, disable/remove the default time/date plugin and use the second one (its more featured and customizable
• 3540[21:48:09] <awwal> possibly its a bug it that default plugin
• 3541[21:48:19] <toogley> awwal: works, thanks
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• 3543[21:48:38] <awwal> toogley, second plugin show time/date correctly?
• 3544[21:49:06] <toogley> awwal: yes
• 3545[21:49:13] <awwal> so probably the defult plugin is buggy
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• 3549[21:50:04] <awwal> me I dont use the default one...
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• 3554[21:51:59] <toogley> awwal: probably
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• 3556[21:53:08] <awwal> I dont like the default bcoz it requires 'orage' for calendar ; the alternative have a calendar built in (also weather stuff, I think)
• 3557[21:53:25] <Gaspappan> Hey, i'm using a webservice that creates files on it's own and saves them on a freeNAS, however, i have an issue accessing the files from my windows machine due to the permissions, is there anyway to set that all files is set with a specific chmod?
• 3558[21:53:37] <Rene> jmcnaught: yep, i got the upgrade done with no problems. It's just a crazy-old server with loads of different packages installed over time. Now i just want to clean it up and either get rid of odd/wrong packages,,
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• 3562[21:54:46] <jmcnaught> Rene: those commands should help. there's an aptitude search term reference here: replaced-url
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• 3569[21:58:14] <Rene> dpkg and jmcnaught thanks for your help.. Now it's time to clean up some stuff, merge config-files and then jump for upgrading to next release :-) yeay :-)
• 3570[21:58:15] <dpkg> Rene: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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• 3575[21:59:48] <wegg> does anyone know how I can fix my GTK applications so they don't look like garbage? I don't know what I did to break them but they are broken badly. :-(
• 3576[21:59:50] <wegg> replaced-url
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• 3578[21:59:53] <jmcnaught> Rene: enjoy, and don't mind dpkg (it's a bot)
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• 3580[22:00:28] <jmcnaught> wegg: did this happen on Jessie?
• 3581[22:00:47] <Rene> jmcnaught: yeah, i noticed that :-) A great bot :-9
• 3582[22:00:48] <wegg> (sigh) no. Testing.
• 3583[22:00:49] <Rene> :-)
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• 3585[22:01:12] <wegg> But I can't imagine it's specific to testing. No?
• 3586[22:01:23] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell wegg about moving target
• 3587[22:01:25] <markybob> i certainly haven't seen it in jessie. or reports of it
• 3588[22:01:43] <wegg> k
• 3589[22:01:46] <markybob> wegg: /topic says testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net ...maybe they know
• 3590[22:01:52] <jmcnaught> wegg: the thing about jessie is stuff doesn't change. but with testing stuff does change, and changes break things sometimes.
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• 3592[22:02:17] <wegg> markybob, there is just hardly anyone on there who is willing to help.
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• 3594[22:03:09] <markybob> wegg: since we use stable we wouldn't know wtf happened/changed
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• 3596[22:03:37] <jmcnaught> wegg: be patient, if no response try again in an hour or two. it is the weekend
• 3597[22:03:58] <wegg> but markybob, where would one look to fix gtk issues in general?
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• 3599[22:04:40] <markybob> well..that wouldn't happen in jessie. so if it's general gtk issue i'd probably go to irc.gimp.net ...but they'd laugh you off for using testing and saying it's their problem
• 3600[22:04:42] <jmcnaught> wegg: i would start by looking at changes logs and news files for packages that have been upgraded recently. also do you use apt-listbugs?
• 3601[22:05:03] <posi> Anyone wanna make a few easy Benjamins packaging my pgsql extension for open source. You get the credit as well
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• 3606[22:05:44] <wegg> jmcnaught, this happened over a week ago. Many updates/changes since then. I only just now found an app I need that I can't work around.
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• 3608[22:05:54] <jmcnaught> posi: replaced-url
• 3609[22:05:57] <mtn> wegg: gtk has gone to 3.20, which breaks a lot of things. I have seen it in other distros, too
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• 3611[22:06:24] <wegg> mtn, oooohh. And what was the version just before 3.20?
• 3612[22:06:44] <posi> Wow that's cool
• 3613[22:06:47] <posi> Might try that
• 3614[22:07:00] <mtn> wegg: at least it looks like parts of it are 3.20. again, the testing channel is your best bet
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• 3619[22:11:01] <Rene> is there btw any tool to manage new configfiles (/etc/*.dpkg-*)?
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• 3631[22:21:38] <alexis> Hi, I'm new to debian packaging, and I want to package a python package named cornice.
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• 3634[22:22:02] <alexis> I've started doing so with stdeb (replaced-url
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• 3636[22:22:39] <alexis> I have a `debian` folder alongside the sources of my python package
• 3637[22:22:47] <alexis> And then I run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us"
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• 3639[22:23:19] <alexis> Which (I suppose) summons a "dh build --with python2 --buildsystem=pybuild"
• 3640[22:24:03] <alexis> And at which point I end up with a dependency not found
• 3641[22:24:15] <alexis> "from cornice import util" — ImportError: cannot import name util
• 3642[22:24:33] <alexis> cornice is the name of the package I'm trying to package
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• 3644[22:25:29] <alexis> And the "cornice" folder is in my path
• 3645[22:26:06] <alexis> Hmm, maybe it's because the file cornice/utils.py have imports that cannot be done, I've seen this in the past. Let me try
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• 3653[22:27:59] <alexis> Hmm, apparently that's not it: json, simplejson and pyramid are the only dependencies, and I've installed them on my machine already
• 3654[22:28:06] <alexis> Anyone got an idea?
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• 3669[22:33:53] <alexis> Or maybe I'm not in the right channel?
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• 3694[22:43:39] <jmcnaught> alexis: is your goal to get the package included in Debian?
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• 3697[22:44:57] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell alexis about nmg
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• 3716[22:48:33] <pecg> Hello. I was wondering if there is a reason why dbeaver is not in the official repositories of the distribution.
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• 3727[22:52:13] <teraflops> because it rhymes with justin beaver?
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• 3731[22:53:28] <evilytwisted> beiber..
• 3732[22:53:31] <evilytwisted> not beaver
• 3733[22:54:06] <teraflops> :(
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• 3739[22:56:02] <kung> anybody knows why alt+tab doesnt work in cinnamon with debian 8?
• 3740[22:56:14] <kung> (in fullscreen games)
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• 3743[22:57:26] <DHowett> "in fullscreen games": the game is probably consuming input that would remove its focus
• 3744[22:57:56] <kung> yea thought that too, so its probably the fault of libsdl
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• 3766[23:07:54] <mirage335> After install debian, I find that resolv.conf frequently gets overwritten with IPv6 only nameserver entries.
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• 3768[23:08:03] <mirage335> This is broken, how do I fix it?
• 3769[23:08:48] <Dagger> mirage335: try installing resolvconf, it should merge all sources of nameservers
• 3770[23:09:03] <Dagger> although v6 nameservers should work just fine...
• 3771[23:09:04] <mirage335> Hmm, ok. Is this documented anywhere?
• 3772[23:09:14] <mirage335> Unless the network does not provide IPv6.
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• 3774[23:10:06] <Dagger> dunno. it's what I did when rdnssd kept whiping out my search domain
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• 3776[23:11:05] <Dagger> if it has no v6, why is the network advertising v6 nameservers?
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• 3778[23:11:53] <mirage335> I don't know. I do know that my /etc/resolv.conf sometimes starts with valid info, then gets wiped out by a single-entry file.
• 3779[23:12:03] <mirage335> Could well be rdnssd .
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• 3781[23:12:33] <mirage335> Could also be that my OpenWRT router may support IPv6, while my ISP does not.
• 3782[23:13:07] <Dagger> openwrt does do some funky ULA stuff, whether or not you have global v6
• 3783[23:13:52] <Dagger> but in that case, if it's advertising a DNS server, you'd expect it to advertise itself, using the ULA address
• 3784[23:13:58] <Dagger> which should work
• 3785[23:14:11] <mirage335> It does not. It also wipes out the search entries.
• 3786[23:14:25] <mirage335> I suspected network manager, configured that correctly, and then the file still got wiped out.
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• 3791[23:18:48] <Dagger> yeah, that was the problem I had (even though I was sending a search list...)
• 3792[23:19:12] <Dagger> no n-m here though. I killed that thing with fire immediately, because it's incapable of leaving things alone to work and wants to break everything :/
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• 3795[23:20:04] <mirage335> Indeed.
• 3796[23:20:25] <mirage335> Now, my server has not survived a reboot, after installing resolv.conf. Will have to head down and fix it.
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• 3803[23:23:41] <hmir> Yikes!
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• 3805[23:25:22] <PadawanLearner> mirage335: hit it with the sledjehammer
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• 3807[23:25:57] <mirage335> no
• 3808[23:26:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> mirage335, it's still one of the remaining decade-old problems that one cannot watch what processes access a certain file under linux.
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• 3812[23:27:32] <PadawanLearner> CutMeOwnThroat: lsof
• 3813[23:27:47] <mirage335> Indeed. I have found that quite difficult.
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• 3815[23:28:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> PadawanLearner, that would only work, if said process kept the file open. Read context.
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• 3817[23:29:46] <SpeakerToMeat> Hello
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• 3819[23:30:20] <SpeakerToMeat> Do you foresee any trouble if I manually emulate the process of update-flashplugin-nonfree to get the latest flash (while having flashplugin-nonfree installed)
• 3820[23:31:03] <Dagger> opensnoop can give you a list of PIDs that open() a file though
• 3821[23:31:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> PadawanLearner, you'd think the fam kernel-tracing stuff could do it.. until you read the docu and see that that information isn't included in the kernel api (IIRC)
• 3822[23:31:35] <Dagger> ...then you just need some way of turning the PID into a process name
• 3823[23:31:36] <SpeakerToMeat> Dagger: So can lsof and fuser
• 3824[23:32:02] <Dagger> SpeakerToMeat: really? how?
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• 3826[23:32:25] <Dagger> thought they just listed file handles that were currently open
• 3827[23:32:54] <SpeakerToMeat> Dagger: Ah you mean processes that opened a file but closed it already?
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• 3830[23:33:17] <Dagger> yeah. kinda hard to catch those in lsof/fuser
• 3831[23:33:26] <SpeakerToMeat> Yes
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• 3834[23:33:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> I guess you could strace -f every single process
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• 3836[23:34:29] <SpeakerToMeat> Eh, you could combine fam with fuser. Seeying if you can trigger a fuser on the file and log it when it's changed before the handle gets closed..... I wonder if that'd work.
• 3837[23:34:32] <Dagger> yeah. or use opensnoop, it'll be faster
• 3838[23:34:34] <Geo> Hi, I'm looking for Debian 7.0, (not 7.10), and I can't find the iso anywhere- can anyone direct me to an archive of releases? replaced-url
• 3839[23:34:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> SpeakerToMeat, no, fam tells you after the fact
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• 3842[23:35:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> or close-enough at it... but spawning another process is too slow for a short write anyway
• 3843[23:36:10] <Dagger> replaced-url
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• 3845[23:36:50] <Dagger> which, okay, is the same problem you started with except with PIDs instead of files, but it should be doable somehow
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• 3847[23:37:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> macos system?
• 3848[23:37:29] <Dagger> like with execsnoop! which you can't run at the same time as opensnoop because apparently only one process can use ftrace at once
• 3849[23:37:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> Dagger, no... that is trivial
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• 3851[23:37:58] <Dagger> no, that's linux. check out perf-tools-unstable
• 3852[23:38:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> either the process is still there, or... oh. problem, can't see the PPID after the fact
• 3853[23:38:37] <PadawanLearner> actually you can
• 3854[23:39:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> will do, that is new to me
• 3855[23:39:29] <PadawanLearner> just grab all the pid's and dump it to disk... periodically...
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• 3857[23:40:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> no, that's the same problem... if the process exists only 50ms or so, you wouldn't grab it
• 3858[23:40:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> but I guess in most cases the process still would be there
• 3859[23:40:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> anyway... there's execsnoop in the same package :P
• 3860[23:40:58] <SpeakerToMeat> Yes, or make a versioned copy of /proc pid subdirs.... (including only cmdline for each), and compare....
• 3861[23:41:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> Dagger, woo... interesting stuff
• 3862[23:41:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> Dagger, thanks for that one
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• 3866[23:42:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> holy funk
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• 3874[23:53:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> Dagger, any idea on the performance hit of that tracing?
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• 3876[23:53:51] <Dagger> nope, sorry
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• 3878[23:54:21] <Dagger> but wait. perf-tools-unstable isn't even the cool suite of tracing tools I was thinking of!
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• 3880[23:54:27] <SpeakerToMeat> afaik perf tools trace to ram to minimize impact as much as possible, but I could be wrong.
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• 3882[23:54:34] <Dagger> what you really want to be checking out is bcc-bpf-tools
• 3883[23:54:39] <Dagger> which... I think I had to build myself
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• 3886[23:55:28] <Ingvix> tried to set up owncloud server on debian with this replaced-url
• 3887[23:55:34] <Ingvix> any help?
• 3888[23:56:00] <Dagger> yeah, I did. but it has its own `opensnoop` which prints process names (...unfortunately just "cat" in this case)
• 3889[23:56:03] <Dagger> CutMeOwnThroat: replaced-url
• 3890[23:56:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> iovisor I remember seeing
• 3891[23:59:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> Ingvix, that seems to use a 3rd-party owncloud package
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