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9 [00:05:45] <andril> Firewire
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11 [00:06:29] <andril> my bad
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106 [00:53:54] <warsoul> is there any debian version that comes with xserver-xorg-video-intel installed already
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110 [00:54:58] <markybob> warsoul: jessie does. the problem you have is you need the one from jessie-backports. and no. you need to manually install that one
111 [00:55:05] <markybob> warsoul: worry about it tomorrow when you have internet
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119 [00:56:48] <Akuw> is possible to see file and directory permission when connected to server using webdav ?
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121 [00:57:31] <markybob> i guess we're just redoing the entire day right now
122 [00:57:37] <warsoul> ok
123 [00:57:47] <warsoul> markybob if i install debian-kde
124 [00:57:57] <warsoul> is going to happen the samething
125 [00:58:02] <markybob> warsoul: i already answered that when you asked last time
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127 [00:58:13] <warsoul> ok
128 [00:58:14] <markybob> warsoul: same thing will happen
129 [00:58:47] <markybob> seriously people. asking 5 times wont change the answer. you're just making people frustrated and make them not want to help you
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148 [01:06:56] <andril> is there any way to install window$ after so i can update my bios
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164 [01:17:04] <ariscop> i think the samba 4.1 -> 4.2 update broke vfs modules
165 [01:18:01] <ariscop> "Error loading module 'acl_xattr.so': liberrors.so.0: version `SAMBA_4.2.10_DEBIAN' not found (required by acl_xattr.so)" paths omitted
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180 [01:26:34] <simonlnu> !reportbug
181 [01:26:34] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, replaced-url
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220 [01:47:14] <WangDang> I just reread the man page for rsync. I used to think the -c option meant that it did a checksum of the original file and the copy to ensure integrity of the copy. After rereading i don't understand anymore. Can anyone explain what the -c option does to rsync?
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231 [01:51:14] <ryouma> WangDang: there is an explanation on an rsync faq of that question. basically checksum is mostly useless unless you suspect data errors i think.
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236 [01:51:56] <ryouma> don't use it for ensuring correctness of copy
237 [01:52:13] <WangDang> ryouma: ok, thanks, I'll try and find the faq
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240 [01:52:59] <MojaviViper> Hi all so in an odd pickle just got a laptop with 2 hard drives and windows of course and I want to install debian on the other drive but I don't have a usb drive or anything at the moment... how can I get this installed now? My googFu is failing me
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242 [01:53:11] <ryouma> WangDang: replaced-url
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244 [01:53:38] <WangDang> ryouma: thanks!
245 [01:53:54] <ryouma> yw
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291 [02:16:42] <mutante> migrating an existing setup to jessie. it made use of the "syslog" group for ownership of some log dir. i realize in jessie syslog was replaced with rsyslog, but it's not as simple as just using "rsyslog" group now it seems. which existing group would come closest?
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294 [02:17:28] <mutante> systemd-journal?
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305 [02:23:20] <RoyK> mutante: iirc rsyslog has been the standard for years
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307 [02:24:28] <mutante> RoyK: yea, i'm migrating Ubuntu trusty to Debian jessie.. and it's a puppet setup
308 [02:24:42] <mutante> just need to replace the usage of the syslog group with something
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310 [02:25:01] <mutante> and there is no "rsyslog" group
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312 [02:28:54] <jmcnaught> mutante: in Debian the adm group has read access to logs, is that what you want?
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314 [02:30:24] <mutante> jmcnaught: yea, i think that's the intention, non-roots should be able to read these logs (i didnt write the original thing)
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316 [02:31:31] <RoyK> mutante: seems that is replaced by adm now, as mentioned
317 [02:31:47] <mutante> ok, thanks all. that helps
318 [02:31:49] <RoyK> mutante: which seems to be the same as with rhel/centos7
319 [02:32:33] <mutante> systemd-journal seemed like a candidate because of journalctl ..bla
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322 [02:33:35] <RoyK> what's wrong with journalctl?
323 [02:33:59] <mutante> nothing, i just say that made me try to use that group
324 [02:34:05] <jmcnaught> mutante: /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian show how to set owner/group and permissions for persistent journals. by default on Jessie they are not persistent
325 [02:34:35] <mutante> ok, thanks
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328 [02:35:58] <jmcnaught> mutante: also i assume that you're doing fresh Jessie installs and migrating services to them, not "upgrading" ubuntu to debian (which would be crazy)
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338 [02:37:31] <mutante> yes, that is exactly what i'm doing. fresh install, apply puppet manifest.. see all the fail because it's trying to use upstart, add if-statements to fix it when on jessie and use systemd..
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341 [02:38:36] <RoyK> mutante: guess you'll have to rewrite that manifest a bit
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345 [02:39:30] <mutante> yea, but it's not soo bad. at least i have "if $::initsystem == 'systemd'"
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347 [02:39:53] <mutante> and have to keep doing it for different services, so by now i know where the unit files go :)
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349 [02:42:21] <RoyK> I went to a course about puppet some five years back and haven't used it since then, so I guess I can't help much
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351 [02:43:00] <mutante> i think i got the puppet part, just sometimes need to ask those questions like the one about syslog
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353 [02:43:43] <mylord> any idea on this apache install error related to mongo: replaced-url
354 [02:43:49] <RoyK> mutante: #puppet seems to be well populated - some may know ;)
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363 [02:48:45] <markybob> i love when people replace lines in pastebin with "..." like they don't matter. that's helpful
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367 [02:50:21] <rjsalts> markybob: don't be hating on the ellipsis
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370 [02:50:56] <markybob> they make it impossible to be helped. i don't understand what they want from us.
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373 [02:51:31] <markybob> today's been special in here though.
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382 [02:56:03] <jmcnaught> mylord: the mongodb-org-server and mongodb-org packages look like they came from some non-Debian repo (possibly mongodb upstream?). You'll need to ask the people who make those packages why they break. Or consider using the Debian packages.
383 [02:56:42] <rjsalts> mylord: or fix the broken preinst/postinst/... yourself
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390 [03:01:52] <kutchbhi> Is there a tool/daemon that can receive messages -> run a background command -> manage number of tasks running simulatenously?
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397 [03:04:03] <kutchbhi> Details of Question: replaced-url
398 [03:04:11] <kutchbhi> Details of Question: replaced-url
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406 [03:08:59] <liujianfeng> hello, how does wanna-build rebuild a package?
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410 [03:09:36] <markybob> liujianfeng: what's the purpose/goal?
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416 [03:10:36] <liujianfeng> markybob: if build deps has update, package should rebuild
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418 [03:11:02] <markybob> liujianfeng: there's no automated way to do that
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421 [03:11:36] <liujianfeng> markybob: so debian now does it by hand?
422 [03:11:45] <markybob> yes
423 [03:11:46] <markybob> !ssb
424 [03:11:47] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
425 [03:12:17] <markybob> but when build deps but upgraded...you have to redo everything
426 [03:12:42] <markybob> get* upgraded
427 [03:13:36] <liujianfeng> I don't mean building on my own pc
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430 [03:13:52] <markybob> so you need to communicate better
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433 [03:14:22] <liujianfeng> replaced-url
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436 [03:14:48] <markybob> ,v checkbacport xserver-xorg-video-vmware
437 [03:14:53] <judd> No package named 'checkbacport' was found in amd64.
438 [03:14:56] <markybob> ,checkbacport xserver-xorg-video-vmware
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440 [03:15:06] <markybob> ,checkbackport xserver-xorg-video-vmware
441 [03:15:11] <judd> Backporting package xserver-xorg-video-vmware in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
442 [03:15:12] <markybob> goddamn i can't spell tonight
443 [03:15:57] <markybob> liujianfeng: anyway, why? jessie has the same version as sid
444 [03:16:05] <jml2> ,v boo
445 [03:16:06] <judd> Package: boo on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.2.3383+dfsg-1; jessie: 0.9.5~git20110729.r1.202a430-2; wheezy: 0.9.5~git20110729.r1.202a430-2
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448 [03:16:44] <markybob> oh i'm sorry. 13.0.2 vs 13.1.0
449 [03:16:50] <markybob> so ssb is what you need to do
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451 [03:17:44] <liujianfeng> not jessie and sid
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453 [03:18:28] <markybob> i feel like i'm trying to read your mind.
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455 [03:18:37] <liujianfeng> the source version of sid is 1:13.1.0-2, but the deb version is 1:13.1.0-2+b1
456 [03:18:51] <markybob> liujianfeng: are you running sid?
457 [03:18:58] <liujianfeng> yes
458 [03:19:14] <markybob> liujianfeng: so you're in the wrong place. go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic for sid support
459 [03:19:37] <liujianfeng> markybob: thank you
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475 [03:28:05] <liujianfeng> oh I can't join #debian-next
476 [03:28:30] <markybob> liujianfeng: wrong network. if you're running sid you should be able to follow instructions. irc.oftc.net not freenode which is where you are
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483 [03:30:05] <notadrop> Hi, what is the default user and pass for root on the Live installer?
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485 [03:30:46] <markybob> notadrop: username user password live
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487 [03:31:01] <notadrop> thanks, markybob.
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554 [04:18:19] <ryouma> what is a good, low-hassle indexer that is available in debian? hyperestraier, namazu, ...?
555 [04:22:25] <ryouma> should questions like this be better directed in #linux? is there a good popcon interface for /categories/ like this, and is it a good place to start or just kind of mainly used for selecting initial sw to put on the installation cd?
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562 [04:27:05] <wych> I find /sys/block/sdX/queue/rotational always returns 1 wether the disk is HDD or SSD. seems kernel doesn't know the disk is SSD. I am using jessie and intel SSD
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564 [04:27:43] <wych> is that a bug? or something not right of my disk driver?
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578 [04:39:49] <datess_> Do you know if it's safer openrc or systemd for Debian?
579 [04:39:49] <datess_> which one is more
580 [04:39:53] <markybob> on debian systemd is far safer
581 [04:40:09] <markybob> which is the default for jessie
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598 [04:51:14] <datess_> why is safer markybob? Doesn't systemd depend too much on PID 1?
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600 [04:52:26] <markybob> datess_: i just know what the wiki says and it has a huge warning - can make it unbootable. i've never used it. systemd is stable and pretty great in jessie. replaced-url
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602 [04:53:45] <datess_> If that were true, Devuan wouldn't exist
603 [04:54:02] <markybob> not at all true
604 [04:54:06] <markybob> but that's offtopic
605 [04:54:19] <rjsalts> datess_: systemd is PID 1 if you're using it for your init. It's safer than openrc because package maintainers have tested their scripts with systemd as it's the default. OpenRC you're on your own
606 [04:54:29] <jmcnaught> datess_: systemd's going to be better supported on Jessie because it's the default, so more work has gone into it. There is a lot of FUD about systemd, but for most people it does work very well and brings a lot of new functionality
607 [04:56:11] <datess_> I mean for init yes, well I don't agree it's safer just because Debian is testing it, Openrc is older and was tested in other distros. Maybe brings new functionality, but I'm asking for security
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610 [04:56:36] <markybob> datess_: you asked about jessie. not in general
611 [04:57:28] <datess_> I asked about Debian, but still
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613 [04:57:42] <markybob> plus i still thing systemd is better. still offtopic. #debian-offtopic
614 [04:57:58] <markybob> think*
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617 [04:59:29] <datess_> ok goodbye
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627 [05:02:40] <markybob> dvs: you keep logging off and on and we're not going to get your smartass comments
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637 [05:08:00] <k_sze[work]> Can somebody enlighten me? What exactly does the --physical switch of `ln` do?
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640 [05:08:55] <markybob> k_sze[work]: did you man ln? it's pretty clear. "make hard links directly to symbolic links"
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643 [05:09:44] <k_sze[work]> I did. Does it mean that if foo were a symlink, and I did `ln fu foo`, fu would have pointed to the target of foo, unless I specifiec --physical, in which case fu would really point to the foo symlink and not the target of the foo symlink?
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687 [05:48:23] <lohang> hello, I want to download a debian live image from here : replaced-url
688 [05:48:34] <lohang> is it gnome?
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697 [05:52:56] <CptHowdy> i have an error as follows "Warning: resolv.conf is not a symbolic link" and "bringing up lo: fail" then system halts
698 [05:53:20] <CptHowdy> ever seen anything like this anyone?
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706 [05:58:05] <simonlnu> lohang: probably gnome, there's some others
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709 [05:58:21] <simonlnu> !resolvconf
710 [05:58:22] <dpkg> resolvconf is probably a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>.
711 [05:58:37] <simonlnu> CptHowdy: ^^
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713 [05:58:58] <simonlnu> resolvconf makes that symlink
714 [05:59:21] <lohang> simonlnu: thanks, I started downloading the xfce version
715 [05:59:37] <CptHowdy> ok so system halts at line "lo failure"
716 [05:59:53] <simonlnu> couldn't bring up lo interface
717 [05:59:55] <CptHowdy> ive never seen this happen before
718 [05:59:59] <CptHowdy> right
719 [06:00:13] <simonlnu> if that happens, nothing else comes up
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721 [06:00:29] <simonlnu> !fixresolvconf
722 [06:00:29] <dpkg> To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
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724 [06:00:49] <CptHowdy> yea it just hangs and nothing else happens in boot sequence. . . even tried rescue mode
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727 [06:01:35] <simonlnu> i meant network-wise.
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729 [06:02:15] <CptHowdy> i dont understand why a dns error will completely stop boot process
730 [06:02:19] <simonlnu> other stuff dependent on lo (and up) will time out.
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732 [06:02:30] <CptHowdy> aah i see
733 [06:02:43] <simonlnu> using network-manager?
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736 [06:03:27] <CptHowdy> its actually openmediavault built on top od debian 7 wheezy
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738 [06:03:48] <CptHowdy> i think it does use network-manager but not 100%
739 [06:04:00] <simonlnu> no clue what that is.
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742 [06:04:24] <CptHowdy> its a media server
743 [06:04:30] <simonlnu> no clue what they've done. we don't support non-debian.
744 [06:05:00] <simonlnu> tried their channel/support forum?
745 [06:05:11] <CptHowdy> openmediavault was just a package i added on top of wheezy
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747 [06:05:25] <CptHowdy> yes im in there too
748 [06:05:41] <simonlnu> oh ok. do they mess with networking at all, in that packaging?
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750 [06:06:00] <simonlnu> i'm guessing they do..
751 [06:06:33] <simonlnu> well, make that symlink and it'll likely be ok.
752 [06:06:33] <CptHowdy> yes the web interface manages everything from mounts, samba shares, networking
753 [06:06:53] <simonlnu> it's either dangling or otherwise broken.
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755 [06:07:49] <CptHowdy> first i gotta get the d*** computer booted up
756 [06:08:00] <CptHowdy> working on that as we speak
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760 [06:09:25] <jmcnaught> CptHowdy: are you able to get far enough in the boot to see what's inside /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces?
761 [06:10:03] <simonlnu> next logical question ;)
762 [06:10:07] <CptHowdy> no boot process completely freezes at lo failure
763 [06:10:24] <simonlnu> init=/bin/bash ;)
764 [06:10:34] <simonlnu> sysvinit, in wheezy
765 [06:11:06] * simonlnu has no clue what to do with systemd, it's probably a 20-char line :P
766 [06:11:15] <CptHowdy> lol
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768 [06:11:36] * simonlnu likes systemd
769 [06:11:59] <jmcnaught> booting with init=/bin/bash would do the same thing on a systemd system as sysvinit i'm pretty sure
770 [06:12:35] <jmcnaught> systemd has a debug-shell.service you can add to the boot parameters that opens a root shell on tty9 during early boot that is pretty handy
771 [06:12:37] <simonlnu> that's what i was thinking
772 [06:12:46] <simonlnu> ooh, ok
773 [06:13:17] <CptHowdy> my plan was to boot a live distro and check the files in question
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775 [06:13:25] <simonlnu> i'll have to check that out.
776 [06:13:37] <simonlnu> CptHowdy: that would be a good option.
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778 [06:13:52] <CptHowdy> thanks
779 [06:13:59] <jmcnaught> CptHowdy: yeah, that's what i would do next if init=/bin/bash doesn't work
780 [06:14:05] <simonlnu> yeah
781 [06:14:25] <CptHowdy> this channel is way more productive than when i need help in centos chan
782 [06:14:37] <CptHowdy> just throwing that out there. . . haha
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784 [06:15:05] <simonlnu> i've used centos. i don't like it very much.
785 [06:15:11] <simonlnu> </ot>
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788 [06:16:05] <CptHowdy> i use it for a soon to be production server that i was unwillingly volunteered to build
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792 [06:17:02] <simonlnu> something to be said with centralised package distribution. *points at debian and arch*
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794 [06:17:49] <CptHowdy> im not advanced enough to know the specific differences. . . still learning
795 [06:18:21] <simonlnu> i briefly managed a prod server, just getting some more up to date php was a PITA.
796 [06:18:24] <CptHowdy> debian is still my favorite
797 [06:18:32] <CptHowdy> lol
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800 [06:18:59] <simonlnu> in debian i can use backports or *won't say what*
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803 [06:20:09] <simonlnu> my xen host had a choice between arch, centos, debian and something else i think. i jumped on the debian ;).
804 [06:20:31] <CptHowdy> haha i bet. . . i probably would have too
805 [06:20:53] <simonlnu> i didn't know arch, and centos gave me shivers.
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807 [06:21:22] <simonlnu> debian and arch are similar. there's some big differences though.
808 [06:22:11] <CptHowdy> i had some fun with the cent server i put together. . . when the IT dept tries to ssh to it to lock me out of it. . . . they better be good guessers. . . there is a 7 port knock sequence to open ssh port. . . lol
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815 [06:24:53] <Arcanos> Hello
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817 [06:25:24] <simonlnu> hehe, nice one
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819 [06:26:47] <CptHowdy> yea some say im a bit paraboid
820 [06:26:57] <CptHowdy> *paranoid
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835 [06:33:47] <simonlnu> you knew enough to stick on a knockd ;).
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837 [06:35:32] <CptHowdy> lol im a cheater
838 [06:35:44] <CptHowdy> i do know how to use google
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842 [06:36:32] <CptHowdy> didnt use a daemon tho. . . was iptables fuckery
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850 [06:41:10] <CptHowdy> its amazing how consistent seagate drives are. . . im just amazed
851 [06:41:53] <simonlnu> i used to swear by saegates
852 [06:41:56] <simonlnu> sea*
853 [06:41:57] <CptHowdy> consistent failures
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855 [06:42:12] <CptHowdy> i used to. . . like in the 90's
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860 [06:44:37] <penrod> greetings, would there be any issues installing Jessie on an older raid card (3ware 9500s) ?
861 [06:44:42] <CptHowdy> in the past few years i've had really good luck with WD drives. . . especially the "SE" and "RED"
862 [06:44:43] <simonlnu> yeah, in the 90s. now i dunno. doesn't seem like there's much like that anymore. everything is made to break.
863 [06:45:00] <simonlnu> penrod: as long as the kernel supports it, no.
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865 [06:46:08] <penrod> it recognizes it, so I suspect isn't an issue. some time ago, you had to go get the utilities for it from a 3rd party site. and that site is no longer available.
866 [06:46:11] * simonlnu notes gcc 6 in sid
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868 [06:47:25] <simonlnu> hm ok. probably firmware stuffs.
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871 [06:48:03] <penrod> i think it was a cli program for the raid card.
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875 [06:48:57] <CptHowdy> maybe if you're planning on using JBOD or MDADM then you might not need that anyway
876 [06:49:10] <CptHowdy> penrod:^^
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879 [06:49:59] <CptHowdy> simonlnu: any idea why a raid5 would have faster write times than read??
880 [06:50:00] <penrod> the only thing I really need is , " the email alert if a disk fails"
881 [06:50:36] <CptHowdy> penrod: you can configure that with a monit daemon
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885 [06:51:47] <CptHowdy> replaced-url
886 [06:51:57] <CptHowdy> penrod: ^^
887 [06:52:24] <penrod> CptHowdy, thank you I will be checking that out
888 [06:52:46] <CptHowdy> thats for using MDADM (software raid)
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890 [06:53:20] <penrod> oh, I have an aversion on fake (software) raid. Too many issues in the past.
891 [06:53:23] <CptHowdy> i personally like MDADM better than hardware since its more versatile
892 [06:53:44] <aypea[1]> raid cache is nice, though
893 [06:53:45] <penrod> it may be more versatile, but past experience says "Run away"
894 [06:54:05] <aypea[1]> penrod: i've run it on over 50 servers in the past. no issues with it.
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896 [06:54:10] <CptHowdy> mine has went well for 3 yrs solid
897 [06:54:19] <aypea[1]> around 8 for me
898 [06:54:32] <aypea[1]> infact some are still going (so it's 11).
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900 [06:55:16] <CptHowdy> i like the idea of being able to boot the system to manage it haha
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903 [06:56:52] <penrod> CptHowdy, how many users accessing it ?
904 [06:57:14] <CptHowdy> aypea[1]: any thoughts on why raid5 would have slower read speeds than write
905 [06:57:15] <penrod> did it survive any "torture testing " ?
906 [06:57:32] <CptHowdy> about 30
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908 [06:57:59] <CptHowdy> its on a media server that i rent to my friends using plex for streaming
909 [06:58:00] <penrod> hmm, I may have to reconsider
910 [06:58:27] <CptHowdy> if its high use then think about that when selecting drives
911 [06:58:41] <CptHowdy> dont get a desktop drive for a server
912 [06:58:43] <aypea[1]> CptHowdy: odd. it's been a while but have you tried tweaking its stripe_cache_size?
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914 [06:59:16] <CptHowdy> no i havent i think its using jumbo blocks if i remember correctly
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916 [06:59:28] <simonlnu> i'm very rusty on my raid stuffs.
917 [06:59:28] <CptHowdy> i will check into that
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920 [06:59:40] <aypea[1]> jumbo blocks?
921 [07:00:02] <CptHowdy> thats what the documentation i read at the time said
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923 [07:00:18] <CptHowdy> maybe i didnt use the correct terminology
924 [07:00:43] <aypea[1]> perhaps. not heard of jumbo being used outside of the network config.
925 [07:01:05] <CptHowdy> havent messed with it in months. . . figured it was working ok so focused on other things
926 [07:01:20] <CptHowdy> maybe im thinking of something else
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928 [07:01:42] <CptHowdy> when i get this resolv.conf fixed so it will boot i will look lol
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938 [07:06:51] <qis> Files like /etc/network/interfaces use the "conf" filetype syntax in vim. What would be the apropriate syntax on github? Here is a list: replaced-url
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946 [07:14:31] <mrrhq> qis: It's not really in any format, but the closest I can think is INI format, just because it uses the pound symbol (#) as comments.
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950 [07:16:23] <qis> mrrhq: Hmm, "nginx" seems to work well too: replaced-url
951 [07:16:44] <qis> The "allow-hotplug eth1" highlighting is ugly though.
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953 [07:17:03] <s4ndm4n> I am getting this error at boot: replaced-url
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971 [07:26:40] <CptHowdy> where should resolv.conf be pointing to. . . and it is a file not symlink
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974 [07:27:10] <CptHowdy> brb store run
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978 [07:28:55] <scribe> If I am on a machine w/ multiple pgp keys, how do I specify which one to use w/ dpkg-sig (in lieu of --sign builder)
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981 [07:29:34] <scribe> s/pgp/gpg
982 [07:30:03] <scribe> I tried -k and the ID of the key but this returns BADSIG _gpgorigin
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989 [07:33:19] <qis> CptHowdy: It might be a good idea to set the DNS servers using the "dns-nameservers" option in /etc/network/interfaces
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1000 [07:40:37] <reev> hey does @reboot myscript.sh works in /etc/crontab in debian ?
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1004 [07:42:27] <prussian> reev: i don't see why not?
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1010 [07:45:50] <reev> prussian: do i need to use user as well like @reboot root script.sh or not?
1011 [07:46:06] <reev> or just @reboot command works as well
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1014 [07:48:14] <prussian> just @reboot the commad
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1017 [07:48:25] <prussian> if you want user use su user -c "command"
1018 [07:48:45] <prussian> honestly, it would be better to make a proper init script or systemd service file.
1019 [07:48:50] <prussian> but meh
1020 [07:49:49] <reev> prussian: okay , thanks btw
1021 [07:49:57] <prussian> no problem
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1113 [08:38:56] <CptHowdy> i got it to boot finally woohoo. . . thanks
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1170 [09:09:07] <Cloudwalker42> cat /etc/
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1193 [09:16:37] <pagios> hello
1194 [09:16:37] <pagios> configure.ac:11: require Automake 1.14, but have 1.11.6 even though iam using Debian GNU/Linux 7.9 (wheezy)
1195 [09:16:40] <pagios> how can i solve this
1196 [09:17:25] <prussian> did you ever do apt-get dist-upgrade ?
1197 [09:17:33] <pagios> prussian: no
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1199 [09:17:53] <prussian> ok good lol.
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1201 [09:18:03] <prussian> what are you trying to build?
1202 [09:18:05] <pagios> prussian: what does that do
1203 [09:18:09] <pagios> gstreamer
1204 [09:18:44] <prussian> is the gstreamer in the repos not good enough?
1205 [09:18:52] <pagios> no
1206 [09:19:03] <prussian> well.....
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1208 [09:19:13] <prussian> you're in for a hell of a ride.
1209 [09:19:28] <prussian> you're probably going to have to build automake from source too
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1213 [09:20:40] <pagios> prussian: does dist-update require a reboot
1214 [09:20:48] <prussian> no
1215 [09:20:54] <prussian> it just might break things
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1217 [09:21:08] <prussian> especially dependency things, but you're building something
1218 [09:21:21] <prussian> I didn't see the word configure.ac until later
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1241 [09:33:29] <venkat_330> Hi we are trying to work on a new POS project. Before buying it i am just trying to list HW support under debian 8..
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1249 [09:34:54] <venkat_330> so I just want to get list of touch devices that are supported by debian.. Is there a way to get that list
1250 [09:35:54] <dagerik> why is echo kek | mailx -v -r 'wee@well.trtr.no (onkel skrue)' not changing the MAIL FROM
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1253 [09:37:23] <petemc> go#
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1261 [09:42:27] <JyZyXEL> how do i view the changelog of debian package?
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1264 [09:44:05] <MCMic> replaced-url
1265 [09:45:05] <dagerik> the html folder is in group root
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1269 [09:46:08] <MCMic> Oh, I thought it was the other way around
1270 [09:46:16] <MCMic> root is the group and replaced-url
1271 [09:46:21] <MCMic> dagerik: Thanks a lot
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1277 [09:50:50] <adac> Dear friends, how or where can I see, when a package was lastly updated with in a debian version? Mean when there was a new version added to the debian base version of for example jessie?
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1279 [09:52:13] <frenchie> packages.debian.org adac ?
1280 [09:52:26] <ksx4system> adac: replaced-url
1281 [09:52:46] <ksx4system> just click "debian changelog" on packages.debian.org/release/packagename
1282 [09:53:18] <adac> frenchie, ksx4system thanks a lot!
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1285 [09:54:15] <adac> Is jessie still updated btw, mean until today?
1286 [09:54:31] <ksx4system> yup
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1302 [10:04:28] <adac> ksx4system, I think Imagemgick would need an upgrade because of security flaws. But maybe this is already in the making :)
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1304 [10:04:50] <adac> *Imagemagick
1305 [10:04:53] <ksx4system> it might be patched already
1306 [10:05:00] <dagerik> imagetragic
1307 [10:05:06] <adac> :D
1308 [10:05:16] <ksx4system> dagerik: huehuehue :D
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1310 [10:05:26] <adac> how can one see if it has been patched?
1311 [10:06:04] <adac> replaced-url
1312 [10:06:12] <adac> Sat, 09 Jan 2016 23:05:59 +0100
1313 [10:06:24] <ksx4system> actually read this changelog :)
1314 [10:06:31] <adac> so it hasn't :D
1315 [10:07:10] <ksx4system> because there's not the latest version number? *read* it carefully
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1317 [10:08:36] <adac> ksx4system, I thought because of the date in the changelog, which dates to Sat, 09 Jan 2016 23:05:59 +0100
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1350 [10:32:39] <MaBunny> Hey guys its about the old problem
1351 [10:33:19] <MaBunny> Yesterday nite jhutchins asked me to check with e2fsck the integrity of the disk
1352 [10:33:47] <MaBunny> I had done tht yesterday...srry for naming you directly pal
1353 [10:34:13] <MaBunny> I didnt notice but i had the man pages in my phone so
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1356 [10:35:01] <MaBunny> If there is any command to change the disk permissions thn pls tell me guys...ill do the rest :D
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1363 [10:42:22] <adac> ksx4system, Does the date not show the when the latest change has occured? Maybe I do get this wrong?
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1374 [10:44:25] <posix> hi guys
1375 [10:44:52] <posix> where do i chanse system dpi's , i have just installed nvidia driver, and dpi is verry low from fonts
1376 [10:45:29] <posix> i dont see the xorg.conf :(
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1380 [10:47:18] <frenchie> adac : maybe it's fixed in sid , check the sid changelog : replaced-url
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1387 [10:53:10] <alphazulu> hi, i would like to have all mail to a local system account also get forwarded to an external account
1388 [10:53:35] <alphazulu> i know i can put an alias in /etc/aliases but then the mail would only go to the external account
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1392 [10:55:27] <MaBunny> So guys is this break time???
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1395 [10:56:30] <frenchie> lmgtfy alphazulu : replaced-url
1396 [10:56:35] <adac> frenchie, if the date in this changelog is showing the last activity/ the last time the package was udpated/patched, then the recent discovered security flaws does not seem to fixed neither in sid
1397 [10:56:58] <frenchie> yes sid is the most current adac
1398 [10:57:05] <bezaban> alphazulu: put multiple usernames hosts in /etc/aliases
1399 [10:57:18] <bezaban> email addresses*
1400 [10:57:25] <bezaban> comma separated
1401 [10:57:39] <adac> frenchie, I only have a german article here, but Heise is very reliable: replaced-url
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1404 [10:58:59] <Bobbix> Hi, why WINE is not compatible with debian 8.4 ???
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1407 [10:59:30] <alphazulu> frenchie: thanks. i forgot about .forward
1408 [10:59:31] <Monalisa_> how to check open ports
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1410 [10:59:48] <MaBunny> Ok ill just reinstall my system :(
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1412 [11:00:19] <Bobbix> I've tried with LXDE and MATE (Gnome) but the installation is broken, i don't get all WINE files installed and no new voices in the menu list.
1413 [11:00:23] <frenchie> nmap Monalisa_
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1415 [11:01:16] <Monalisa_> sudo: nmap: command not found
1416 [11:01:24] <frenchie> aptitude install ..
1417 [11:01:27] <Monalisa_> sudo: nmap: command not found
1418 [11:01:54] <alphazulu> bezaban: thanks that also works just like .forward!
1419 [11:02:21] <Monalisa_> how to check open ports sudo: nmap: command not found
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1422 [11:03:37] <Bobbix> Anyone have installed WINE on Debian with success? I cannot get WINE working since i've installed first Debian 8.2 with LXDE, and now same behaviour on Debian Mate 8.4
1423 [11:03:48] <Monalisa_> how to check open ports sudo: nmap: command not found
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1426 [11:04:56] <lesta> install nmap
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1430 [11:06:04] <alphazulu> Bobbix: you can always try Crossover from Codeweavers if you are doing a lot of Windows stuff
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1439 [11:09:19] <MaBunny> Anyways...if i install debianon another pendrive thn is it possible to get the files of my prev debian system(which was in another pendrive) back by just plugging it into the current one??
1440 [11:09:28] <MaBunny> *debian on
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1444 [11:10:24] <Bobbix> alphazulu: thanks, i will try, but no, i need wine to run some litte standalone programs and windows utility thath i need to do some operation, example i use notepad++ as editor, and i want to run under lnux too.
1445 [11:11:17] <MaBunny> Bobbix there are good editors in linux too
1446 [11:11:34] <alphazulu> vim is the best :-)
1447 [11:11:36] <Bobbix> But WINE was a good solutions for little (and otghers) needs like mine... i'm very hungry to see that the project is going into trash.
1448 [11:11:36] <MaBunny> And i dont mean vim,emacs or nani
1449 [11:12:05] <alphazulu> vim is a good editor. one of the best!
1450 [11:12:08] <MaBunny> You mean sad??
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1453 [11:12:38] <MaBunny> Yes vim is good...but i use fte for my cpp projects
1454 [11:12:53] <Bobbix> alphazulu: have you never user notepad++ enrighed with all type of extensions? I do anyting with minimum effort, ... no any editor can do all this for me.
1455 [11:12:53] <MaBunny> Besides there are lots of thm
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1457 [11:13:29] <MaBunny> Bobbix is notepad++ open source??
1458 [11:13:37] <alphazulu> Bobbix: notepad++ is good
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1460 [11:14:01] <MaBunny> If it is thn port it to linux :D
1461 [11:14:30] <Ticho> wine is not a project that is going into trash
1462 [11:14:40] <Ticho> it's still fully alive
1463 [11:15:00] <Bobbix> MaBunny: yes more users have requested a porting... but the programmer has requested an help to do this... anyone have helped? I think no.
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1465 [11:15:16] <MaBunny> Yeah
1466 [11:15:42] <Bobbix> Ticho: i cannot install WINE using the guide published on the offical site (the repository is not available)
1467 [11:16:05] <Ticho> you install wine with "apt-get install wine" :)
1468 [11:16:06] <Bobbix> And the version is still for sometimes... i think WINE is going to the abandonware.
1469 [11:16:35] <Bobbix> Ticho: try yourselv, you will not able to install and to work under Debian
1470 [11:16:38] <Ticho> do you really think so? they have new version every few weeks, the development is still very active
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1472 [11:16:51] <Ticho> I'm using wine on debian quite often, it works just fine
1473 [11:16:54] <posix> HOW do i create a new xorg.conf i delete the nvidia one by mistake :|||||
1474 [11:17:04] <Bobbix> Ticho: impossible
1475 [11:17:16] <MaBunny> Bobbix debian has older ver of software in its repos...if thts wht you mean
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1477 [11:17:31] <MaBunny> I had this problem too
1478 [11:17:47] <MaBunny> In my earlier system
1479 [11:17:55] <Bobbix> MaBunny: resolved?
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1481 [11:18:10] <MaBunny> No...system crashed somehow
1482 [11:18:38] <MaBunny> But you can try to get the latest ver from the devs site
1483 [11:19:26] <MaBunny> You just hav to configure...make...make install
1484 [11:19:48] <Bobbix> I'm using a FRESH installation of Debian 8.4 (Italian), isntalled just Apache and Mysql, and now i'm trying to install WIN, i don't see menu voices and i don't find alla needed files on the file-system, so the installation is broken, even if i follow the online guide, step by step
1485 [11:20:03] <Ticho> or, without having to compile, via playonlinux - which is more targeted at games, but you can use it to launch any application
1486 [11:20:05] <Bobbix> MaBunny: compiling?
1487 [11:20:16] <Bobbix> OK
1488 [11:20:20] <MaBunny> Yeah compile it yourself
1489 [11:20:33] <MaBunny> Though sometimes its tough
1490 [11:20:33] <Bobbix> So, Crossover or Playonlinux are alternatives to Wine?
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1492 [11:21:05] <Bobbix> OK, i will try first Alternatives, so the next step is the compilation from sources
1493 [11:21:12] <Bobbix> Thanks to all
1494 [11:21:16] <MaBunny> Wait
1495 [11:21:22] <Ticho> no, playonlinux is just a wrapper around wine; it allows you to create "profiles" for each individual app, use several versions of wine independently of the wine you have installed on the system
1496 [11:21:27] <posix> do you guys read what i am sayng ?
1497 [11:21:32] <posix> saing*
1498 [11:21:33] <MaBunny> You did try apt get install wine??
1499 [11:21:50] <Bobbix> MaBunny: i will try now if y want
1500 [11:21:59] <MaBunny> Try both
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1502 [11:22:07] <Bobbix> What first?
1503 [11:22:09] <MaBunny> But first apt
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1507 [11:22:41] <MaBunny> If you are not happy thn compile it yourself
1508 [11:22:48] <Bobbix> OK, wait i'm starting Debian (vittual machines)
1509 [11:22:54] <MaBunny> :D
1510 [11:24:05] <frenchie> posix : looks like there's a sample nvida xorg.conf in bumblebee package, maybe try to use that : replaced-url
1511 [11:24:26] <frenchie> "/usr/share/bumblebee/default-conf/xorg.conf.nvidia"
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1513 [11:24:48] <Bobbix> MaBunny: done (sudo apt-get install wine) the installation has terminated with no errors, BUT i don't see anu menu entry for wine
1514 [11:25:10] <Bobbix> and if i search .wine or "disk_c" directory i can't find
1515 [11:25:15] <MaBunny> Idk start a terminal
1516 [11:25:18] <Bobbix> :-/
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1519 [11:25:22] <MaBunny> Then type wine
1520 [11:25:33] <MaBunny> I hav never used it :(
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1522 [11:25:48] <Bobbix> The binary is present on the file-system (under /bon)
1523 [11:25:53] <MaBunny> Idk
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1525 [11:26:05] <posix> hi
1526 [11:26:13] <Bobbix> MaBunny: ?
1527 [11:26:16] <posix> does anyone see what i am typing ??!?!
1528 [11:26:20] <jercos> no
1529 [11:26:22] <MaBunny> Ask anyone else now who has used wine Bobbix
1530 [11:26:46] <MaBunny> But dont give up :D
1531 [11:27:02] <lesta> maybe winetricks..maybe google
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1533 [11:27:02] <lesta> bon?
1534 [11:27:11] <posix> someone kind enought, can put this file online on dpaste.com ??!?!? FILE: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/nvidia-drm-outputclass.conf
1535 [11:27:12] <posix> TKS!
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1537 [11:27:26] <posix> i lost mine
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1539 [11:28:10] <Bobbix> I've used wine in the pas MaBunny, but now the insallation (thah i know) i see it's not complete, more files are missing, and the configuration it's not done, no disk_c directory that are deeded for notepad.exe (frist program installed with wine) and as repo for future windows software installation... SO cannot work in this conditions.
1540 [11:28:27] <frenchie> You can also try this one posix: replaced-url
1541 [11:28:32] <MaBunny> Why is my new installation taking so much time in the Detecting Hardware window
1542 [11:28:35] <MaBunny> Bobbix
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1544 [11:28:55] <posix> ohh frenchie i ll try ty
1545 [11:28:59] <MaBunny> Did the installation happened completely??
1546 [11:29:04] <Bobbix> Yes
1547 [11:29:09] <MaBunny> Ok
1548 [11:29:09] <Bobbix> no error
1549 [11:29:21] <Bobbix> but it's not complete (i know)
1550 [11:29:37] <Bobbix> A lot of files and directory not installed and not configured
1551 [11:29:46] <MaBunny> It happens tht from ver to ver...the base paths of various files changes
1552 [11:30:25] <MaBunny> You need to also hav a look for your version of wine at their site
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1557 [11:31:01] <MaBunny> Maybe you might come across the same problems there ;)
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1562 [11:31:29] <MaBunny> Im on my smartphone bobbix...my only computer is dead so
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1568 [11:31:51] <MaBunny> You can imagine my situation :3
1569 [11:32:00] <Bobbix> OK ok, i will try other ways
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1571 [11:32:06] <Bobbix> Thanks (i've to work now)
1572 [11:32:07] <MaBunny> Yeah
1573 [11:32:08] <Bobbix> Bye
1574 [11:32:09] <TvL2386> is kickstart adding anything that cannot be done with preseeding and vice versa?
1575 [11:32:18] <Bobbix> (and thanks)
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1577 [11:32:20] <MaBunny> Ok
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1602 [11:43:39] <MaBunny> Hey guys one serious question
1603 [11:44:02] <MaBunny> Does debian support Sandisk 64gb pendrives??
1604 [11:44:20] <TomTomTosch> sure
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1606 [11:44:44] <MaBunny> But
1607 [11:44:49] <TomTomTosch> no butts.
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1609 [11:45:01] <erm3nda> 128gb ram ... 64gb pendrive is nothing :V
1610 [11:45:33] <MaBunny> The Sandisk 64gb pendrive which i had was taking time in the detecting hardware screen
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1614 [11:46:14] <MaBunny> And when i plugged my 16gb pendrive...it didnt take time in tht screen at all
1615 [11:46:30] <erm3nda> butt haha
1616 [11:46:30] <erm3nda> culo
1617 [11:46:38] <MaBunny> Lucky me
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1624 [11:47:44] <MaBunny> Idk which product it was btw
1625 [11:48:06] <MaBunny> TomTomTosch i hav a question
1626 [11:48:33] <MaBunny> Anyways...if i install debianon another pendrive thn is it possible to get the files of my prev debian system(which was in another pendrive) back by just plugging it into the current one??
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1628 [11:49:16] <bazhang> plugging a usb into a usb?
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1632 [11:49:47] <TomTomTosch> start your new system, mount the old usb, copy relevant files over.
1633 [11:50:18] <MaBunny> Ok thnx
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1636 [11:51:01] <TomTomTosch> good luck. not sure why it hangs with the other pendrive though.
1637 [11:51:02] <MaBunny> Ok if i get my torrent files and some save games thn i could be really happy :D
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1640 [11:51:36] <MaBunny> Ill tell you the product name once ive my system installed,ok???
1641 [11:51:51] <TomTomTosch> okayo
1642 [11:51:56] <MaBunny> Hehe
1643 [11:52:30] <MaBunny> By the way how jmcnaught?? Is he in the debian-offtopic chan??
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1646 [11:53:46] <TomTomTosch> probably sleeping.
1647 [11:54:12] <MaBunny> So anyways thnx
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1650 [11:55:27] <TomTomTosch> how often did you reinstall your system lately anyway? seems to me you do that every other week x)
1651 [11:56:11] <MaBunny> Haha once in every two months,maybe
1652 [11:56:53] <MaBunny> I remember i had installed the prev one in March,after exams
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1654 [11:57:33] <TomTomTosch> ah, right. then i had the wrong impression x)
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1656 [11:57:50] <MaBunny> Hehe
1657 [11:57:57] <yvm> Sup. When I try to start second Xorg instance with xinit -- :1, I get error: parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory), /dev/tty0 is at it's place, though.
1658 [11:57:59] <yvm> Why?
1659 [11:58:44] <MaBunny> TomTomTosch you had a good sleep,did you??
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1682 [12:12:45] <k_sze[work]> Is it supposed to be possible to put subdirectories in autofs rules?
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1684 [12:13:21] <k_sze[work]> e.g. "foo/bar 192.168.0.10:/bla/bla/foo/bar"
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1725 [12:33:06] <p0rt> hey, I have a problem. Whenever I install something I get information saying update-alternatives: error: alternative link /usr/bin/x-replaced-url
1726 [12:33:07] <p0rt> dpkg: error processing package chromium (--configure):
1727 [12:33:08] <dpkg> p0rt: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
1728 [12:33:09] <p0rt> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
1729 [12:33:11] <p0rt> Setting up tcsh (6.18.01-3) ...
1730 [12:33:14] <p0rt> update-alternatives: using /bin/tcsh to provide /bin/csh (csh) in auto mode
1731 [12:33:16] <p0rt> Processing triggers for menu (2.1.47) ...
1732 [12:33:17] <p0rt> Errors were encountered while processing:
1733 [12:33:19] <p0rt> chromium
1734 [12:33:21] <p0rt> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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1738 [12:36:09] <p0rt> so, there it is: replaced-url
1739 [12:36:19] <p0rt> Whenever I install a package this appears
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1743 [12:36:49] <p0rt> I was trying to fix this by manually changing alternatives so chrome will be main alternative
1744 [12:37:02] <p0rt> But there is no alternative such as x-replaced-url
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1746 [12:37:10] <p0rt> Any ideas what can it be?
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1748 [12:37:38] <p0rt> And, more importantly: what can I do?
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1754 [12:39:57] <nkuttler> p0rt: have you tried to run update-alternatives by hand?
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1758 [12:42:25] <p0rt> nkuttler: yeah, I did
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1761 [12:42:43] <p0rt> It says that x-replaced-url
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1763 [12:43:27] <nkuttler> p0rt: which command did you run?
1764 [12:44:21] <nkuttler> oh wait, firefox? through an external repo?
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1768 [12:46:54] <markybob> nkuttler: firefox is in debian now
1769 [12:46:57] <markybob> ,v firefox
1770 [12:46:58] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 46.0.1-1~bpo80+1; sid: 46.0.1-1; experimental: 47.0~b1-1
1771 [12:47:19] <markybob> and there are others on mozilla.debian.net
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1776 [12:51:21] <alphazulu> my gosh setting up owncloud is a pain
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1779 [12:53:05] <fireba11> alphazulu: not really
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1789 [12:57:21] <alphazulu> ok got it now. php was not enabled in apache
1790 [12:57:53] <fireba11> :-P
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1796 [13:02:44] <MaxFrames> hello
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1798 [13:03:02] <MaxFrames> how do I forcibly expire one or more leases on an isc-dhcp-server running on debian?
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1800 [13:04:00] <winsen1> Hi all
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1812 [13:08:37] <winsen1> When I run the command: 'apt-get update', I got this following warning: "There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 1397BC53640DB551" This is the only warning I got and I don't get any error. It seems to have with chrome. how I can fix it? Thank you.
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1818 [13:11:11] <markybob> winsen1: looks like you're missing chrome key. wget -q -O - replaced-url
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1825 [13:12:40] <winsen1> markybob:thanks for answering, I tried to fix it with this: 'apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.debian.com --recv-keys 1397BC53640DB551' but it doesn't work. replaced-url
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1831 [13:15:38] <winsen1> markybob: what is the link you sent to me? It doesn't work
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1834 [13:16:12] <markybob> winsen1: it's not a link. you copy and paste it in a terminal
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1842 [13:18:57] <markybob> winsen1: i don't even know how you came up with keyserver.debian.com
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1844 [13:19:54] <TomTomTosch> winsen1: you will not find the key for google software on the debian keyserver. what markybob gave you is the command that downloads the key from the google server using wget and adds it to the keys known to apt.
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1852 [13:20:55] <winsen1> markybob: ok, I did but I am still having the same error
1853 [13:21:10] <markybob> pastebin everything then
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1857 [13:21:36] <winsen1> TomTomTosch: ok thanks for the explanation
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1865 [13:23:55] <Donitzo> Does the standard debian installer support software raid?
1866 [13:24:03] <markybob> yes
1867 [13:24:09] <Donitzo> good
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1869 [13:24:51] <winsen1> replaced-url
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1871 [13:25:20] <markybob> winsen1: you didn't copy/paste what i said
1872 [13:25:30] <Iridos> you removed the "wget "
1873 [13:25:31] <markybob> winsen1: not a link. start with wget
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1875 [13:25:43] <hassoon> 'evenng
1876 [13:25:46] <markybob> winsen1: do it exact
1877 [13:25:47] <hassoon> 'evening
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1880 [13:27:49] <winsen1> markybob: oops sorry, I didn't make attention. now it seems to be ok. no warnings
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1883 [13:28:23] <winsen1> markybob: thanks
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1894 [13:33:26] <gluon> back to debian on the desktop too
1895 [13:33:29] <gluon> debian-testing + dwm = perfect desktop for me
1896 [13:33:44] <winsen1> have a good day all, thanks again markybob. bbl
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1927 [13:41:19] <hammo> hello all, trying to mount nfs share between 2 debian machines. on server, first i mount /dev/sde to /net/sde. then when I export with /net/sde 192.168.. /255.255.255.0(fsid=0,rw,sync,no_subtree_check) I get another line appears in fstab of /net/sde /export/sde bind bind 0. what creates this line? and when mounting from client do i use /net/sde or /exports/sde??
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1931 [13:43:03] <afernandez_> hammo: replaced-url
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1935 [13:45:20] <hammo> is there any significant diff between wheezy and jessie?
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1941 [13:46:23] <KhazAkar> Systemd is the most significant diff
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1950 [13:47:14] <afernandez_> hammo: replaced-url
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1954 [13:48:14] <hammo> nice KhazAkar , thanks for links already followed that link but i'll try it again.
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1998 [14:05:18] <Iridos> hammo, nothing edits fstab but you ... and that link isn't very verbose... IIRC rpcinfo -p <server> to see the exported services in general (that should show nfs) and showmount -e <server> shows what the server exports
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2004 [14:07:10] <iodfijj> when I do "chown -R dhcpd:dhcpd /var/lib/dhcp" I get the error message invalid user: "dhcpd:dhcpd"
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2009 [14:09:15] <afernandez_> iodfijj: grep -i dhcpd /etc/passwd
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2016 [14:10:53] <iodfijj> afernandez: I have typed in your command in terminal but I don't see any infos
2017 [14:11:29] <afernandez_> well no results mean that nuser does not exist
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2019 [14:11:51] <afernandez_> paste what you did here:
2020 [14:12:04] <afernandez_> replaced-url
2021 [14:12:14] <afernandez_> then give us the link
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2026 [14:14:06] <Devastator> jmcnaught sorry, I had to leave yesterday before I could thank you!
2027 [14:14:37] <FManTropyx> hi
2028 [14:15:20] <FManTropyx> I have the understanding that Ubuntu is the pinnacle of Linux evolution and Debian is kinda its grandfather?
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2030 [14:15:33] <iodfijj> replaced-url
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2032 [14:16:11] <FManTropyx> I am trying to find the right distro for me, but I lack knowledge
2033 [14:16:32] <afernandez_> iodfijj: User dhcpd do not exist in your system
2034 [14:16:38] <Johann> FManTropyx: #debian is a poor place to ask for the right distro, as most people here are biased
2035 [14:17:00] <iodfijj> how can I add this user, I already added the group dhcpd
2036 [14:17:03] <FManTropyx> right, like asking on #ubuntu, if I should use Debian
2037 [14:17:36] <FManTropyx> perhaps I can find a resource on the Internet that can help me decide, a comparison of some kind
2038 [14:18:09] <iodfijj> When I will add user dhcpd I get the answer "The group dhcpd already exists". Should I remove the group dhcpd?
2039 [14:18:10] <Devastator> jmcnaught another question, how do I create a virtual machine using the LVs I created? I have "Local install media", "Network install", "Network boot" and "Import existing disk image"
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2043 [14:19:15] <bazhang> distrowatch.com FManTropyx and ##linux
2044 [14:19:29] <Iridos> iodfijj, what is it you're trying to do
2045 [14:19:34] <p0g0_> bazhang: wow, I was about to offer the same URL...
2046 [14:19:43] <bazhang> nice
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2048 [14:20:28] <Donitzo> swap raid partition is in use during debian installation
2049 [14:20:28] <FManTropyx> thank you, bazhang
2050 [14:20:35] <Donitzo> you got to be ******* kidding me
2051 [14:20:45] <iodfijj> okay I have removed group dhcpd and now it works
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2054 [14:21:39] <bla1> hi folks, i just tried to do a netinstall of debian wheezy from an usb-stick, but it told me there was there was the wrong cd inserted. why is this? i used dd to write the netinst image on the usb stick, shouldn't i get the remaining packages from the internet?
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2057 [14:22:49] <bla1> the installer started from the usb stick, but after keyboard configuration i was asked for the right cd
2058 [14:22:53] <Iridos> FManTropyx, debian has put a lot of effort in providing a core repository that only consists of free&open source software... if that's important to you, debian is a good choice. debian stable has a set of packages/versions that doesn't change the 2-3 years until a new version of debian comes out. that means you have to take care of some problems at the beginning, but because nothing changes, no new problems appear and you can work on the system
2059 [14:22:53] <Iridos> without having to fear new bugs all the time. that comes at the price of older software in debian stable.
2060 [14:23:56] <bla1> * i meant debian jessie. not wheezy.
2061 [14:24:05] <Iridos> ah... wondered about that
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2065 [14:25:14] <Iridos> bla1, the installer installs the base system from cd, then you reboot into that base system and the remaining packages are installed from within the fresh base system (and usually these come from the internet)
2066 [14:25:58] <bla1> but shouldn't be a usb stick instead of a cd just fine?
2067 [14:26:07] <Iridos> and I guess you already read replaced-url
2068 [14:27:26] <bla1> oh no but i will read it now. :D sorry. i always used dd to make usb sticks for other distributions, so i thought this would work here too
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2071 [14:27:47] <Iridos> it should
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2076 [14:29:28] <Iridos> hm. untypically, I think I even did an install with jessie... can't remember much of it, though... probably because there were just no problems whatsoever... install was over in a couple of hours... next day I was flying to the US
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2079 [14:29:56] <Iridos> and it must have been a usb install because the laptop had no CD drive
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2081 [14:30:31] <bla1> i was confused because why would it require another cd if the installer started from the usb stick
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2084 [14:31:06] <lesta> bla1 there is a alternative kernel for the usb that point to the usb not to the cd
2085 [14:31:34] <bla1> oh i did not know that
2086 [14:31:58] <lesta> search for usb install
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2090 [14:32:41] <bla1> yeah im just reading about it
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2098 [14:34:08] <themill> bla1: how did you copy the image to the usb stick?
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2104 [14:35:28] <bla1> i used dd. if=/dev/sdb of=/...debiannetinstwhatsoever.iso
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2106 [14:35:51] <lesta> bla1: wheezy?
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2108 [14:35:57] <bla1> no jessie
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2110 [14:36:28] <bla1> my mistake in my first message.
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2112 [14:36:59] <themill> I assume you had if and of the other way around
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2115 [14:38:04] <bla1> oh yes. again, my mistake
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2122 [14:43:37] <bla1> i am going to give it another try with another usb stick. might be back in a few minutes
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2124 [14:44:00] <dagerik> how can I install the package aspell-no when im on stretch?
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2129 [14:48:10] <hypermist> can anyone throw me a guide to install libboost on debian 8 version 1.54 of libboost please
2130 [14:48:24] <Devastator> how can I check if a patch was cherry-picked in a kernel backport?
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2150 [15:00:16] <p0rt> nkuttler: Yeah, I've installed it from ext. repo
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2154 [15:00:49] <nuffigel> hi guys, I'm trying to install java with a minimum of X. In fact, I will never start an instance of X, only use X-forwarding. However, when I try to aptitude install default-jre things like "libdrm-nouveau2" are getting pulled in. Is there some way to avoid that?
2155 [15:00:58] <hypermist> anyone lol ?
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2166 [15:07:10] <_jd> Hi All, is there a way of installing glibc 2.19 on Debian 7?
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2179 [15:11:33] <jelly> _jd: not really, set up a debian 8 system instead
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2181 [15:11:57] <_jd> jelly: thank you
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2185 [15:12:21] <nuffigel> never mind, different question: when I aptitude install default-jre, some packages, like libgnome2-bin get pulled without the {a} attribute. Indeed apt-mark shows them as "manual" after the installation, so they wont be removed even after I uninstall java. I assume some kind of "profile" is to blame for that? How can I avoid such behavior?
2186 [15:12:26] <frenchie_afk> hypermist: apt-get install package=version_desired .. ? nope ?
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2188 [15:12:54] <hypermist> i'll try
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2191 [15:13:19] <jelly> hypermist: not really, there's 1.55
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2193 [15:13:41] <jelly> hypermist: what do you need exactly 1.54 for?
2194 [15:13:43] <hypermist> jelly, well 1.55 doesnt work for this so i need 1.54
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2205 [15:18:29] <hypermist> Thats why i need it jelly ..
2206 [15:18:42] <themill> hypermist: can you elaborate on "doesn't work" for us?
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2217 [15:23:53] <hammo> hello all, i have successfully mount my nfs share using following line in fstab 192.168.. :/net/sdc /home/user/NFS/mediamovies nfs user,dev,_netdev,suid,exec,bg 0 0..... Ican access it fine permissions all good. Now whats the best method to set the same share up for another user on same PC?
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2220 [15:24:38] <hypermist> doesnt compile themill
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2222 [15:24:52] <hypermist> because newer version arent built for handling it
2223 [15:24:55] <bezaban> hammo: mount it outside the home directory with group permissions, then symlink in home directories if you want
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2225 [15:24:59] <hex0rcist> hello
2226 [15:25:25] <bezaban> iirc NFS doesn't like multiple concurrent access to shares
2227 [15:25:33] <bezaban> or was it opposite lol
2228 [15:26:01] <themill> hypermist: it might be easier to fix this thing to handle a newer boost than it is to fiddle around with the packages
2229 [15:26:44] <Ticho> bezaban: since it is common to mount one nfs share to dozens of systems, and access it with several users on each of these systems, I'd say you're wrong
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2232 [15:27:47] <bezaban> Ticho: yeah, I don't have any usecases to relate too, you're probably right
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2234 [15:27:55] <hammo> good idea bezaban, I have 2 main groups kids and parents. so I make folder owned by parents say /shared/mediamovies then share to that? should work the same?
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2240 [15:30:06] <bezaban> hammo: might not be the best to answer, sounds like you might have to use setfacl for multiple groups. Or possibly in this case, if what ticho says is true it might be better off mounting with different permissions
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2243 [15:31:02] <bezaban> sorry for being vague, someone else should step in :)
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2248 [15:31:31] <sandieg> heLLo =]]]
2249 [15:31:32] <hammo> hmmmm. so can i add multiple lines to fstab for each user? mounting share into each users home directory?
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2252 [15:32:11] <hammo> vague is better then me stumbling around in the dark lol
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2254 [15:32:21] <bezaban> hehe
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2257 [15:33:03] <ewew> Hi. Is there anything different between normal install and debootstrap install of debian ? I can not force a devpts 600 mode.
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2263 [15:34:30] <hammo> just to outline I have 7 kids + wife all logging in on 4 different pc's plus tabs, and 2 media centers that need access to. If you know of a easier solution that will allowing sharing and stop my 5 year old deleting all our photo's.
2264 [15:35:36] <ewew> hammo Did you try separate account ?
2265 [15:35:44] <ewew> *accounts
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2268 [15:35:56] <hammo> yeah I have accounts setup for all of em and 2 groups
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2272 [15:36:41] <sandieg> how is it going
2273 [15:36:52] <sandieg> :P
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2275 [15:38:08] <ewew> hammo Are those account with UID > 0 ?
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2279 [15:38:29] <hammo> so create share outside home dir then sym link to each home directory for each user??
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2281 [15:38:37] <hammo> 1000 1001 ++++
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2285 [15:39:58] <hammo> gid is 1000 and 1001 for parents kids
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2288 [15:40:41] <Ticho> bezaban: you don't mount nfs with permissions, files on a nfs share hold their own permissions and ownership, just like on e.g. ext4
2289 [15:41:16] <ewew> hammo do you know how to use acl ?
2290 [15:41:16] <Ticho> so any sort of access restriction have to be done on file level
2291 [15:41:49] <hammo> sort of, know a bit about cisco acls'
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2293 [15:42:03] <hypermist> problem is i dont know how to code to fix it themill so i need the 1.54 boost
2294 [15:42:11] <bezaban> ticho: right, it's coming back to me, the uid mappings + ip authorisation were reasons I discarded it as an option
2295 [15:42:14] <Ticho> why not just create another group "all", with all users?
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2297 [15:42:36] <Ticho> then you can set file/directory ownership to "parents", "kids" or "all"
2298 [15:42:47] <joaquin_> hi, when i run this command matches both regex regardless the flag -v zgrep -v -E -h "Site:\s[^,]+,Server:\s[^,]+," *.gz | zgrep -E -h ",The\smanagement\sserver|,The\sclient" *.gz
2299 [15:42:56] <hammo> I did try to mount share ext to home dir first but I kept running into issues where shre was owned by root and I didnt have any permissions to read write
2300 [15:43:06] <Ticho> even better, just "kids" and "all", since you probably want parents' access be a superset of kids' access :)
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2302 [15:43:29] <Ticho> hammo: just mount it and change the ownership to what you want
2303 [15:43:42] <Iridos> hypermist, what is it you're trying to compile
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2306 [15:44:23] <hammo> ahhh i'll have a go at that thanks for help :)
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2308 [15:44:39] <hypermist> replaced-url
2309 [15:45:52] <frenchie> apt-get install version didn't work hypermist ?
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2313 [15:47:55] <winsen> Hi all
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2315 [15:48:19] <winsen> makybob: are you still there?
2316 [15:48:35] <Iridos> frenchie, that's not how apt-get works
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2318 [15:49:05] <Iridos> frenchie, that's not how the repos work, to be more precise
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2320 [15:49:58] <frenchie> ? .. Then you can take the .deb do a dpkg -i .. and see if the dependencies are resolved
2321 [15:50:22] <themill> frenchie: which .deb? And what are the implications of doing so?
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2323 [15:50:55] <frenchie> that a libdev .. so the implications would not be major i guess themill
2324 [15:50:55] <winsen> I want to add the contrib and non-free components 'contrib non-free' how can I do it? can I just add this after main on any line at source list?
2325 [15:52:08] <frenchie> themill: hypermyst was inquiring about libboost
2326 [15:52:16] <themill> frenchie: that's sufficiently vague as to not be useful advice
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2329 [15:53:06] <frenchie> themill: hypermyst know what I'm talking about, so ..
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2332 [15:53:42] <themill> frenchie: umm, I bet they don't.
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2334 [15:54:09] <hypermist> frenchie, no
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2338 [15:54:39] <frenchie> ok he just has to ask, no problem
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2340 [15:55:01] <themill> boost is about 90 packages; "install the .deb" (and hope)" isn't helpful
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2344 [15:56:49] <frenchie> give me a break themill and be constructive
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2347 [15:57:10] <themill> I am giving you the opportunity to be more precise
2348 [15:57:13] <frenchie> hypermist: go there : replaced-url
2349 [15:57:28] <frenchie> yeah yeah , I heard you the first time themill
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2351 [15:57:48] <themill> and libboost-dev isn't the package that is needed
2352 [15:57:51] <frenchie> once you get your deb file, do a "dpkg -i 'deb_file'
2353 [15:57:58] <winsen> themill: any clue?
2354 [15:58:24] <frenchie> you don't want the developpement libraries files hypermist ?
2355 [15:58:35] <themill> winsen: you'd add that to all the lines for the debian repos
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2361 [15:59:23] <winsen> themill: ok, I thought, I just need to do it for one line. thanks for the clarification.
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2363 [15:59:44] <themill> winsen: (and run apt-get update after editing your sources.list)
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2366 [16:00:36] <winsen> themill: ok, thanks
2367 [16:00:48] <frenchie> So what does hypermyst want themill ?
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2371 [16:01:31] <themill> frenchie: we don't know yet; possibly quite a lot of different packages
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2376 [16:02:17] <frenchie> ok .. could you copy paste his orginal question .. I'm on a web client, don't have much history
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2390 [16:04:47] <hypermist> frenchie, i did try that
2391 [16:04:55] <hypermist> E: Version '1.54' for 'libboost-dev' was not found
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2394 [16:05:33] <frenchie> tell me again what you were looking to do hypermist
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2400 [16:07:01] <frenchie> themill is right .. once a new version is on a repo , the old one is not available on it, you have to download it from the snapshot link I gave you, and install it with a dpkg -i command
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2402 [16:07:23] <debby> I have Debian Jessie. When system goes to automatic suspend, I can't get back to login screen by pressing space bar. What can be done to fix the problem?
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2417 [16:13:52] <anexit_> Anyone have a controller card not write data to hard drives?
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2430 [16:17:18] <Iridos> hypermist, builds ok here on jessie
2431 [16:18:01] <jelly> hypermist: stupid question, did you install all the -dev packages for boost?
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2433 [16:18:22] <jelly> there's a handy libboost-all-dev metapackage
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2435 [16:19:08] <Iridos> not sure that that's a stupid question, jelly
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2443 [16:21:54] <GivenToCode> Hi all I just upgraded to debian 8.3 using gnome, for certain applications (gedit) when I open a file it loads the file but doesnt bring gedit to the foreground...
2444 [16:22:14] <GivenToCode> it does give me a little notification that it is ready...
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2446 [16:22:34] <r4co0n> Hi, i just installed jessie with encrypted lvm container on a nvme ssd-drive. With the latest backported kernel 4.4.0 (iinm), I don't get asked for my disk passphrase. I noticed that the new kernel wants to load intel-microcode, which fails. I want to boot to the backported kernel since my vga apparently needs the backported version of the proprietary nvidia driver, according to nvidia-detect.
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2449 [16:23:44] <sandieg> hi
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2457 [16:24:32] <hypermist> Iridos, lol and jelly i have to...
2458 [16:24:44] <Iridos> "lol"?
2459 [16:24:46] <r4co0n> I have no idea how to troubleshoot this, I might just try upgrading the whole system to testing. Do you have less radical ideas?
2460 [16:24:46] <hypermist> Otherwise NOTHING works :_;
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2462 [16:25:22] <hypermist> doesnt compdile fine for me with libboost 1.58
2463 [16:25:29] <hypermist> THAT stupid god damnit debian 8 installs
2464 [16:25:29] <Iridos> whatever your problem is, it's not the version of boost in jessie
2465 [16:25:30] <hypermist> .-.
2466 [16:25:40] <hypermist> Its the code that doestn work for 1.58
2467 [16:25:41] <Iridos> err, 1.58?
2468 [16:25:49] <themill> libboost1.58 is not in jessie
2469 [16:25:51] <hypermist> i do apt-get install libboost-all-dev
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2471 [16:25:54] <hypermist> ANd ta da it installed
2472 [16:26:04] <hypermist> Version: 1.58.0.1
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2474 [16:26:09] <Iridos> hypermist, the version in jessie is 1.55.0.2
2475 [16:26:11] <hypermist> Done the check lastnight
2476 [16:26:19] <hypermist> So how would i get libboost 1.58
2477 [16:26:22] <hypermist> If i didn't install it myself ?
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2479 [16:26:33] <sandieg> guys, any 'fancy' website to look for wallpapers ?! =]]
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2481 [16:26:50] <Iridos> hypermist, you ask US about your system?
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2483 [16:27:11] <Iridos> are you going to ask us your shoe size next?
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2485 [16:27:42] <RoyK> hypermist: have you added other repos?
2486 [16:27:47] <frenchie> You may be using sid hypermist no ?
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2489 [16:28:10] <frenchie> keep cool guys.. that's just it stuff :)
2490 [16:28:16] <greycat> isn't there some "apt policy" type command that'll tell him why his system is preferring a non-jessie version of libboost?
2491 [16:28:16] <Iridos> GivenToCode, the upgrade shouldn't have changed the behavior...
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2499 [16:29:21] <hypermist> RoyK, nope never installed it myself
2500 [16:29:30] <hypermist> Iridos, its not my system its crownclouds.net
2501 [16:29:33] <hypermist> crowncloud.net
2502 [16:29:40] <hypermist> all i did was use their openvz image
2503 [16:29:56] <RoyK> what does lsb_release -a have to say?
2504 [16:30:01] <Iridos> GivenToCode, maybe some settings became corrupted... have you tried if that happens with a freshly made user account?
2505 [16:30:50] <greycat> Ah, your VPS provider probably did some weird shit.
2506 [16:30:58] <hypermist> Distributor ID: Debian
2507 [16:30:59] <hypermist> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.2 (jessie)
2508 [16:30:59] <hypermist> Release: 8.2
2509 [16:30:59] <hypermist> Codename: jessie
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2512 [16:31:06] <hypermist> HAH whoops
2513 [16:31:09] <greycat> Mine installed sendmail instead of exim, but I just left it in place because I don't really care about email much on that box.
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2515 [16:31:39] <sandieg> any developer available for issue related to warsow ?
2516 [16:31:44] <sandieg> game
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2519 [16:32:43] <frenchie> what does your /etc/apt/source.list says ( net paste it ) ?
2520 [16:32:51] <Iridos> hypermist, put the content of "apt-cache policy" and "grep . /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*" up at replaced-url
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2523 [16:33:03] <frenchie> sources.list * my bad
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2532 [16:38:06] <hypermist> give me about 1-2hrs ircnode0
2533 [16:38:07] <hypermist> haha
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2535 [16:38:09] <hypermist> busy sorry ;\
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2541 [16:40:28] <TheBrayn> hi
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2558 [16:46:12] <WangDang> I don't know exactly when this behaviour changed, but now when I plug in a usb storage device, it doesn't get mounted automatically. It shows up in the file manager of xfce, but isn't actually mounted until I click on it. It used to get mounted as soon as I plugged it in. Can anyone tell me how to make my system completely mount a device when plugged in?
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2572 [16:52:31] <sandieg> error: /me dances around the room *naked*
2573 [16:52:36] * sandieg dances around the room *naked*
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2575 [16:53:04] <Iridos> WangDang, the desktop environment usually does that
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2589 [17:00:34] <WangDang> Iridos: and it used to. Or at least something used to mount it automatically. It's frustrating having to open the fm to get something completely mounted. And I can't mount it from the command line as a normal user. I have to open the file manager and click on the device. You don't know how to change this behaviour do you?
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2591 [17:01:10] <greycat> blah blah blah xfce blah blah blah no longer automounting
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2594 [17:01:17] <colo-work> how do I configure an ipaddr alias for a bridge device in interfaces(5)? the very same way like I'd do for a plain ethernet NIC?
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2596 [17:01:22] <greycat> Ask an xfce channel if you don't find any knowledgeable xfce users here.
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2598 [17:02:07] <hypermist> replaced-url
2599 [17:02:51] <greycat> You've got unstable in there.
2600 [17:02:53] <hypermist> replaced-url
2601 [17:03:35] <greycat> As soon as you read line 4 of the first URL, you see the problem.
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2604 [17:03:49] <hypermist> i'll delete it then greycat :D
2605 [17:04:02] <greycat> That won't unbreak the system.
2606 [17:04:15] <greycat> In fact it will probably make matters worse, since you already HAVE unstable packages installed.
2607 [17:04:18] <hypermist> maybe its time for that os reinstall xD
2608 [17:04:38] <hypermist> Just means i have to lamely compile ZNC and all over again >-.
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2611 [17:07:13] <themill> (znc is in jessie-backports)
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2614 [17:09:18] <hypermist> but he recent version none of this old poop version
2615 [17:09:21] <jelly> ,v znc
2616 [17:09:22] <judd> Package: znc on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.092-3; wheezy: 0.206-2; jessie: 1.4-2; jessie-backports: 1.6.2-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.6.3-2; sid: 1.6.3-2
2617 [17:09:30] <jelly> hypermist: 1.6.2 isn't THAT old
2618 [17:10:01] <hypermist> lol i have 1.6.3 so yea i was wondering
2619 [17:10:04] <hypermist> Cause the last time i used znc
2620 [17:10:09] <hypermist> God damn it was like 1.0.7
2621 [17:10:09] <hypermist> xD
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2698 [17:43:01] <Iridos> yeah... totally understandable you wouldn't want such an old poop version in which znc-buildmod doesn't work properly in cgywin
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2701 [17:44:03] <Iridos> or maybe it's the fancy new quit message you cannot live without!
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2705 [17:46:30] <Iridos> don't forget to also install a new version of xscreensaver, in which iphone support was greatly improved!
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2720 [17:53:07] <fiveflowerzz> Hi! I'm using a computer with Debian (by a hosting company) as a server for ~ 10 websites / workers / process
2721 [17:53:18] <fiveflowerzz> using Apache and nodejs and Python etc.
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2724 [17:53:47] <Guy-> hi
2725 [17:53:48] <fiveflowerzz> I'd like to monitor what is the "usage" of my computer
2726 [17:53:55] <fiveflowerzz> Is it high? low? what are bottlenecks? etc.
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2729 [17:54:10] <fiveflowerzz> Are some of websites eating all the bandwidth or CPU? etc.
2730 [17:54:19] <fiveflowerzz> Is there a general tool for that, not too difficult to use?
2731 [17:54:41] <Guy-> fiveflowerzz: you could try 'top', 'iostat', 'vmstat' and 'dstat' for starters
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2733 [17:55:19] <Iridos> there are tools for constant monitoring, I don't think they're overly easy to use
2734 [17:55:36] <prussian> fiveflowerzz: well I mean, you could set up some monitoring daemon like sensu, nagios, etc.
2735 [17:55:40] <Iridos> just checking with top or htop from time to time would be simplest
2736 [17:55:44] <prussian> but if you just want to see then and now
2737 [17:56:10] <greycat> Things like top/vmstat give you overall system use (memory, CPU) but won't break it down by web domain. You'd need apache specific stuff for that.
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2739 [17:56:29] <Iridos> prussian, nagios isn't really easy and at least standard nagios is "binary"... it warns you that a threshold has been passed (or doesn't warn you if it hasn't)
2740 [17:56:52] <prussian> at work I do perfdata with pnp4nagios for graphs
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2743 [17:56:56] <Iridos> fiveflowerzz, look at the apache logs for your website
2744 [17:56:57] <prussian> it seems to be fine
2745 [17:57:00] <greycat> The real question is whether you're looking at whether your existing system is sufficient for your demand (do you need more hardware), or whether you're looking at individual domains to see if any of them are being naughty.
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2749 [17:58:05] <prussian> I know sensu is popular with other teams for more "live graphing"
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2751 [17:58:33] <Iridos> is that even in debian?
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2754 [17:58:47] <greycat> Not everything has to be "in debian"
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2756 [17:59:14] <Iridos> if there's no package, that doesn't make it anymore "simple"
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2758 [18:00:26] <greycat> If the primary focus is analysis of the individual domains, then (s)he needs to head over to an apache httpd channel, most likely.
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2760 [18:00:41] <Iridos> with a package, at least installation only takes 5 seconds... and if you figure out it's too complicated to configure or just not what you wanted, that's at least minus the compiletime
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2763 [18:00:50] <greycat> (Though last I heard, the httpd channel hates Debian because of all the changes Debian does to Apache.)
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2768 [18:01:31] <prussian> Iridos: anyhow, nagios isn't "binary." most plugins have a perfdata output that nagios to send off to tools for graphing purposes
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2771 [18:02:07] <Iridos> fiveflowerzz, there's stuff like "visitors" or "analog" to analyze logfiles and get an idea of usage out of them
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2774 [18:02:36] <greycat> Yeah, definitely start with log file analysis rather than live stuff.
2775 [18:02:45] <greycat> If the focus is domains.
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2777 [18:03:08] <Iridos> prussian, that's not part of the nagios core... IMO, that makes even selecting the packages not so "easy" anymore
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2781 [18:04:24] <prussian> well ok. the graphing isn't but it still will write out perfdata wherever you tell it.
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2783 [18:06:06] <Iridos> ganglia is pretty good at making graphs with rrdtool... but it's eating so many resources itself, it may well become the bottleneck on its own
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2788 [18:07:14] <prussian> ever heard of graphite?
2789 [18:07:28] <prussian> I guess it's some new hip graphing server
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2793 [18:09:52] <prussian> it's like rrd apparently but also has a webapp and all
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2804 [18:13:36] <kangelane> What would give me optimal network speed for my server ? Speedtest seems to give very wierd results, like if I use web interface, my upload is 6 times more faster than with speedtest-cli
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2806 [18:14:10] <kangelane> basically, I want reliable network speet test for my virtual machines using debian
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2814 [18:18:11] <teraflops> kangelane: iperf
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2841 [18:29:49] <Mystique_> hey all.. sorry for the question..
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2843 [18:30:12] <Mystique_> apache 2.4 .. a2enmod cgi and systemctl restart apache2..
2844 [18:30:23] <Mystique_> cgi's work on localhost only..
2845 [18:30:50] <Mystique_> cgi's are denied from external addresses.. where/how to change that..
2846 [18:30:57] <kangelane> teraflops, how will I do speedtest with iperf ? Are there some remote servers or something ?
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2848 [18:31:16] <prussian> Mystique_: are you using a virtualhost?
2849 [18:31:19] <Mystique_> kangelane: iperf needs a server and a client..
2850 [18:31:24] <Mystique_> prussian: default host..
2851 [18:31:25] <prussian> did you make sure to bind to 0.0.0.0 or all?
2852 [18:31:28] <prussian> oh ok
2853 [18:31:39] <Mystique_> ports.conf is default..
2854 [18:31:48] <Mystique_> no name'd vhosts..
2855 [18:31:59] <Mystique_> apt-get install lightsquid ;)
2856 [18:32:02] <Mystique_> trying to get it working..
2857 [18:32:05] <prussian> so this only hinders cgis?
2858 [18:32:07] <kangelane> Yes, But I need a public iperf server then, measuring the speed of accessing web pages is my goal
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2860 [18:32:22] <Mystique_> prussian: as far as I can tell
2861 [18:32:25] <kangelane> not speed of my own subnet links or whatever
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2863 [18:32:39] <Mystique_> web page speed? apache bench..
2864 [18:32:47] <Mystique_> interface speed.. iperf
2865 [18:33:07] <prussian> hmm
2866 [18:33:34] <terrible> can i install compiz on debian jessie xfce??
2867 [18:33:36] <kangelane> well I can set up iperf server on one node and client on other node, I get 1 GbE. Now I want to test, how much my ISP gives me, is it in fact 1GbE , speedtest shows like 700Mbps ...
2868 [18:34:06] <teraflops> kangelane: it's a peer to peer thingy yeah
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2871 [18:35:46] <teraflops> kangelane: some isp do throttle connection speed. That's why speed test sites cannot be trustable.
2872 [18:36:28] <kangelane> Yes, I want to measure my connection speed, so is there a reliable tool to achieve that ?
2873 [18:36:58] <Mystique_> kangelane: your connection to one host? :) yes. iperf.
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2876 [18:37:48] <sandieg> hi
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2878 [18:38:10] <sandieg> what gives "segmetation fault" on debian , trying to install wine for the first time , :S
2879 [18:38:19] <greycat> Bugs.
2880 [18:38:32] <sandieg> should i do what ?
2881 [18:38:44] <sandieg> windows gives me headhackes
2882 [18:38:53] <sandieg> disc and memory allways complaining
2883 [18:39:01] <Mystique_> so lightsquid.conf is fsck'd..
2884 [18:39:10] <Mystique_> a2disconf lightsquid
2885 [18:39:21] <Mystique_> then I can at least get it to load and get CGI.pm errors.. #progress..
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2888 [18:39:41] <sandieg> somethign might be wrong
2889 [18:39:41] <sandieg> :DD
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2898 [18:43:11] <kangelane> Mystique, you could have just said that there exists public iperf servers ... not only use iperf, HOW? I know now.
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2902 [18:44:47] <teraflops> kangelane: we run out if spoons, replaced-url
2903 [18:44:53] <matt1> Hello, I am attempting to upgrade my Debian Jessie install to Debian stretch. I've updated my sources.list and when I run apt dist-upgrade i get the following error:
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2905 [18:44:56] <matt1> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
2906 [18:44:58] <matt1> gnome-packagekit : Breaks: gnome-packagekit-session (< 3.16.0) but 3.14.0-1 is to be installed
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2908 [18:45:43] <greycat> !debian-next
2909 [18:45:43] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2910 [18:46:01] <matt1> Thanks
2911 [18:46:56] <prussian> Mystique_: well 500 errors are better than none :P
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2916 [18:48:46] <prussian> hmm. I don't even remember the last time I used CGI in apache
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2918 [18:49:03] <prussian> other than Nagios, but I let the package manager install all that
2919 [18:49:26] <teraflops> prussian: heh I don't even remember the last time I used apache :P
2920 [18:49:34] <prussian> ya well. I know
2921 [18:49:54] <prussian> but It has some useful modules that I use. like mod_auth_ldap and whatnot
2922 [18:50:01] <prussian> because lazy
2923 [18:50:19] <prussian> but I usually just proxypass now over CGI
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2968 [19:06:07] <PhantomPhreak53> when I type sudo service mysql restart. Where is the file that starts the service? I need to change a start up option.
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2972 [19:07:19] <prussian> if it's upstart, most likely... /etc/init.d/mysql
2973 [19:07:49] <prussian> if you're using systemd, service might just be a compatibility shim for a mysqld.service file
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2975 [19:07:54] <HicksD> I'm trying to delete an old chroot dir, /var/chroots/sid that still has some folders in it like dev, tmp, home etc (all umounted now) and it gives a "device or resource busy" error. lsof shows nothing accessing the dirs and I tried searching /proc/*/mountinfo for anything to do with the sid jail and killing it, anything else I've missed that might have it open ? (rebooting doesn't sort it either, just makes all the mounts reoccur for proc etc)
2976 [19:08:32] <prussian> weird.
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2982 [19:10:44] <prussian> have you tried force unmounting HicksD ?
2983 [19:10:58] <HicksD> I don't see anything mounted via mount to force
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2985 [19:11:16] <HicksD> at least nothing mentioning the jail
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2988 [19:12:03] <HicksD> replaced-url
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2991 [19:12:31] <fiveflowerzz> re all
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2993 [19:12:36] <fiveflowerzz> sorry i got disconnected before
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2995 [19:12:44] <fiveflowerzz> so you would test with "top" first?
2996 [19:12:49] <glen> hi. can someone help me to define what components exists in package version? replaced-url
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3001 [19:13:20] <prussian> HicksD: weird. I don't see anything. are you sure you don't have some user in that chroot right now?
3002 [19:13:29] <prussian> that's the only thing I can think of
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3004 [19:13:40] <fiveflowerzz> first thing : everything is moving when I run "top"
3005 [19:13:44] <fiveflowerzz> Impossible to see anything...
3006 [19:13:54] <fiveflowerzz> Isn't there a more user-friendly tool than "top"?
3007 [19:13:55] <prussian> fiveflowerzz: what are you looking for?
3008 [19:13:58] <prussian> htop
3009 [19:14:02] <HicksD> Not that I can see. I'll try rebooting to single user mode just in case any sessions get restored in the background
3010 [19:14:53] <dschense> hi all. is there a way to recreate a deleted /var/log path ? i restored a proxmox CT and missed the /var/log directory. is there a way for all services to recreate their files an directorys ?
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3012 [19:15:30] <fiveflowerzz> prussian : as I said before (but then my neighboor rang at my door lol...), I want to monitor how my ~ 10 websites are running
3013 [19:15:42] <fiveflowerzz> and to monitor if it's going to break soon or not :)
3014 [19:15:50] <prussian> as in
3015 [19:15:52] <prussian> ok
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3017 [19:16:01] <prussian> well fiveflowerzz there are many ways to do that
3018 [19:16:20] <prussian> the hardest part is recognizing what constitutes a failure.
3019 [19:16:26] <fiveflowerzz> some websites use apache, some use python process (daemon), some nodejs
3020 [19:16:30] <prussian> fun
3021 [19:16:31] <dschense> maybe htop ?
3022 [19:16:32] <prussian> so
3023 [19:16:48] <fiveflowerzz> i just tried htop, but every 2 seconds, the lines swap order ...
3024 [19:16:51] <prussian> fiveflowerzz: what are you thinking would constitute a failure for any of these webapps?
3025 [19:17:02] <prussian> I can't really help you unless you can define that
3026 [19:17:12] <fiveflowerzz> prussian: ok, that sounds right... let me think about it
3027 [19:17:15] <mutante> fiveflowerzz: i'd check for disk space running out (95% full or something). it's quite common reason to break websites when there are huge logs filling up disk
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3029 [19:17:44] <fiveflowerzz> it would be a "failure" if sqlite is too much demanded (thus I would need to move for mysql etc.)
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3032 [19:17:55] <JyZyXEL> replaced-url
3033 [19:17:58] <prussian> I use to do monitoring for my old department's webapps at my work.
3034 [19:18:07] <prussian> so I have some knowledge here
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3036 [19:18:11] <prussian> though it's old as hell
3037 [19:18:15] <fiveflowerzz> if cpu is too much demanded for one specific website
3038 [19:18:21] <prussian> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehh
3039 [19:18:26] <mutante> JyZyXEL: yea, confirmed
3040 [19:18:28] <prussian> I would be careful with CPU util warnings
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3044 [19:18:46] <prussian> because most of the time they are bogus and create a lot of unneeded noise
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3046 [19:18:47] <fiveflowerzz> first thing: how to have htop not changing lines order all the time ? :)
3047 [19:18:50] <prussian> it's good to graph I suppose
3048 [19:18:54] <JyZyXEL> where is the debian-mozilla changelog/release notes?
3049 [19:19:33] <prussian> if you must monitor things like that, I would monitor load instead
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3051 [19:19:47] <prussian> loadavg's apply to I/O as well.
3052 [19:20:35] <greycat> It's not going to be easy to figure out how much server-side CPU is used on individual apache web domains.
3053 [19:20:55] <greycat> If you're using an *application* that generates all of the content, and if that application logs, then maybe you can get it from there.
3054 [19:20:55] <prussian> I don't think it's really relevant either... personally
3055 [19:21:19] <greycat> Apache's logs do not include such info as far as I know.
3056 [19:21:44] <greycat> (Again, this may be a question you need to ask in an Apache support channel.)
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3058 [19:22:45] <prussian> for webapps, I usually just monitor like if certs are valid, disk space, for apps that accept uploads, aren't full and that known slow portions of the webapp are fast enough.
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3061 [19:23:03] <mutante> and that the cert doesnt expire soon
3062 [19:23:13] <mutante> because that's another common one
3063 [19:23:15] <prussian> usually trying to go in depth will just lead to useless alerts and tedium....
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3066 [19:23:46] <mutante> full ack to prussian
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3070 [19:24:37] <prussian> I mean, I also graph all sorts of stuff too, because people love graphs
3071 [19:24:51] <fiveflowerzz> in htop, how to have all identical lines grouped in one ?
3072 [19:24:58] <fiveflowerzz> I have 20 lines for mysqld...
3073 [19:24:58] <prussian> but I usually don't alert for metrics like CPU and number of active sessions
3074 [19:25:12] <prussian> that's just noise
3075 [19:25:16] <mutante> we always end up with like 5 different graphing solutions and all have them work "kind of"
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3077 [19:25:24] <prussian> lol
3078 [19:25:33] <prussian> ever seen graphite?
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3080 [19:25:38] <prussian> it seems pretty useful
3081 [19:25:58] <mutante> yea, and grafana and diamond collectors and ganglia and nagios4pnp
3082 [19:26:01] <prussian> I don't really know. for nagios I just use pnp4nagios which is just a bunch of rrd's
3083 [19:26:04] <fiveflowerzz> there is lots of noise in htop then!
3084 [19:26:06] <prussian> lol
3085 [19:26:12] <prussian> fiveflowerzz: yes there is
3086 [19:26:28] <mutante> throw in some munin
3087 [19:27:19] <mutante> then somebody says "hey, wouldnt it be a great idea to make nagios alert on the graphite metrics, then we can detect trends, way better monitoring"
3088 [19:27:26] <prussian> lol
3089 [19:27:28] <mutante> so that sounds good , but in reality it breaks
3090 [19:27:38] <mutante> too many moving parts
3091 [19:27:39] <prussian> or it creates a shitload of useless noise
3092 [19:27:46] <prussian> lol
3093 [19:27:49] <mutante> CRITICAL - not enough data points
3094 [19:28:06] <prussian> lol omg
3095 [19:28:27] <prussian> My least favorite thing was trying to monitor indepth jvm info.
3096 [19:28:31] <prussian> with nagios
3097 [19:28:36] <prussian> that was just hell
3098 [19:28:56] <prussian> useless as well....
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3100 [19:29:34] <prussian> javamelody made it slightly better. then I could just pull the last graph point.
3101 [19:29:35] <mutante> :P that sounds hell yea, my least favorite was trying to monitor the number of mails in a mail queue.. you cant find a reasonable value.. there is always a spike when some masss mailing goes out
3102 [19:29:43] <prussian> ya
3103 [19:29:45] <prussian> I bet lol
3104 [19:30:14] <greycat> At least that's a thing you can actually measure.
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3106 [19:30:20] <greycat> Even if the measurement is useless.
3107 [19:30:23] <prussian> true
3108 [19:30:49] <prussian> what really irked me was seeing jrobin isn't rrd, even though it claims to be java rrd....
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3111 [19:31:04] <prussian> that made it a bit more annoying to work with javamelody and nagios.
3112 [19:31:06] <greycat> "How many CPU cycles did the php libraries inside the apache httpd slave servers all use on this one domain vs. all the other domains" is just ludicrous.
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3114 [19:31:17] <prussian> lol
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3117 [19:32:49] <prussian> sounds like a nightmare to find out too
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3122 [19:34:51] <prussian> It's pretty funny that the "enterprise" tools like APM and SystemEDGE seemed to be totally useless as well
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3124 [19:35:09] <greycat> Funny, but unsurprising, yes?
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3126 [19:35:20] <prussian> yes, unsurprising
3127 [19:35:38] <prussian> it didn't help that the "solutions group" for it owned all the configs as well
3128 [19:35:49] <prussian> for every server they deployed it on
3129 [19:35:53] <prussian> useless crap
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3132 [19:37:52] <prussian> End of day. I just convinced everyone to stop wasting time trying to monitor every facet of the system.
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3135 [19:38:25] <prussian> I figure if I can GET or POST some url known to be slow and I get a response back in a timely manner, everything is A OK
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3141 [19:40:29] <posix> hey
3142 [19:40:29] <posix> :)
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3148 [19:41:21] <prussian> hi posix_X
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3150 [19:41:50] <posix_X> who is this ?:P
3151 [19:42:09] <posix_X> greating s prussian
3152 [19:42:12] <prussian> no clue
3153 [19:42:29] <Huckelbesje> hi all, I am prepping some production systems and have system user with only the purpose of establishing reverse (autossh) tunnels. The only data they need is a key and i'm wondering what place on the system is appropiate for this purpose
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3155 [19:42:58] <greycat> Their home directory.
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3157 [19:43:27] <Huckelbesje> but their home should not be in /home since they're system users
3158 [19:43:38] <greycat> So what? Why can't they be in /home?
3159 [19:43:45] <greycat> Why are you making it harder than necessary?
3160 [19:43:50] <Huckelbesje> because that's meant for real people
3161 [19:44:03] <prussian> well
3162 [19:44:09] <Huckelbesje> i figured some place in /usr or /usr/local would be better
3163 [19:44:15] <prussian> you don't need $HOME to be under /home Huckelbesje
3164 [19:44:16] <greycat> OK, if you have this weird mandate from idiot bosses that says "No non-human accounts in /home" then set up a place for non-human home directories, done.
3165 [19:44:31] <greycat> It's still not hard.
3166 [19:44:38] <prussian> ^
3167 [19:44:51] <prussian> you will have to store something on disk no matter what.
3168 [19:45:02] <Huckelbesje> i don't know, my finger refuse to type when i can't put them in /home
3169 [19:45:22] <nkuttler> i just stuff them into /srv where all other non-human users are..
3170 [19:45:28] <Huckelbesje> hm
3171 [19:45:31] <aphorise> How are the updates of packages managed for sid or how often do they occure - I see a particular release thats only for certian arch & I was wondering how / when the others would also be included in sid.
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3173 [19:45:48] <nkuttler> aphorise: whenever the devs upload them
3174 [19:45:58] <prussian> sid tracks "stable" upstream as far as I know
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3176 [19:46:18] <prussian> as in what the dev considers stable
3177 [19:46:18] <aphorise> as in the authors of the packages themselves or when some from debian dev community?
3178 [19:46:29] <prussian> what the dev considers stable.
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3181 [19:49:00] <posix_X> anyone from
3182 [19:49:02] <posix_X> pt assistance ?
3183 [19:49:06] <greycat> The debian developer. Not the upstream developer.
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3185 [19:49:26] <posix_X> are you portuguese greycat ?! :)
3186 [19:49:28] <greycat> No.
3187 [19:49:45] <nkuttler> !pt
3188 [19:49:45] <dpkg> Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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3190 [19:49:56] <nkuttler> that's probably on oftc
3191 [19:50:15] <posix_X> ttks l8r
3192 [19:50:29] <mutante> so i wonder who can actually fix the SSL cert issue on mozilla.debian.net. should we make a regular debian bug ?
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3198 [19:51:09] <nkuttler> mutante: there is a package for the website
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3200 [19:51:19] <mutante> nkuttler: gotcha, ok, i'll do it
3201 [19:51:25] <prussian> mutante: sounds like they need a wildcard cert.
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3203 [19:51:50] <mutante> debian.net redirects to debian.org mozilla.debian.net exists but mozilla.debian.org does not.
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3207 [19:52:14] <debug0x1> I'm trying to do a netinstall on a machine by IMPI.
3208 [19:52:19] <mutante> maybe needs to be mozilla.debian.org and *.debian.org cert.. shrug
3209 [19:52:29] <debug0x1> It has no DHCP, I input all the informatino, yet still can't connect to the internet.
3210 [19:52:35] <debug0x1> Anyone have any ideas what i'm messing up?
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3212 [19:52:54] <posix_X> guys
3213 [19:52:58] <debug0x1> IP, Gateway, Netmask.
3214 [19:53:40] <posix_X> =[[[[
3215 [19:53:40] <posix_X> nobody in debian-pt room
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3218 [19:54:14] <zykotick9> posix_X: did you try here on Freenode, or OFTC?
3219 [19:54:17] <posix_X> I am having " segmetation fault " on my disk , is there any way of reparing it ?! a Adata 500 120gigas
3220 [19:54:17] <posix_X> 5xx series
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3222 [19:54:36] <greycat> Segmentation fault happens to programs, not to disks.
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3229 [19:56:29] <posix_X> why, is apt-get giving me that error , is bug ?!
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3233 [19:56:59] <greycat> If you're getting a segmentation fault from apt-get, it could be a bug in apt-get, or it could be bad memory, bad motherboard, overheating, etc.
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3236 [19:58:59] <posix_X> everything ok here
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3238 [19:59:21] <posix_X> fan is low and cold 'n'quiet off
3239 [19:59:21] <posix_X> wired
3240 [19:59:39] <posix_X> it might fix the problem dont you think? enable on mode bios
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3242 [19:59:58] <NoCode> Been trying to iron out why my vhost won't show my index.html page, but it seems there's no luck so far. I used: replaced-url
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3244 [20:00:55] <lesta> polyzen: what hardware? ram?
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3246 [20:01:30] <lesta> sorry
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3251 [20:04:06] <polyzen> :p
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3259 [20:08:35] <CtrlC> didn't "tasksel install web-server" use to install php and mysql too?
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3264 [20:11:08] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: that task basically just installs apache2 and analog
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3266 [20:11:32] <CtrlC> So useless!
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3275 [20:12:39] <TomTomTosch> 'aptitude show task-web-server' shows you what the dummy package pulls. also, i think it did install php and some other stuff at some point, but not in jessie.
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3278 [20:13:25] <jmcnaught> not all web servers need PHP
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3280 [20:13:39] <TomTomTosch> CtrlC: well, it's not that hard to install it afterwards. tasks just give a little convenience, they can't fit your every wish.
3281 [20:13:48] <greycat> Not all web servers want apache, either :-P
3282 [20:14:05] <CtrlC> yeah
3283 [20:14:24] <TomTomTosch> if there only was a way to install whatever you want...
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3287 [20:15:00] <greycat> The tasks are meant for the most common cases, so if you're not a member of that particular herd, go ahead and skip the task and install what you want.
3288 [20:15:01] <prussian> hmm
3289 [20:15:04] <prussian> I know right?
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3297 [20:18:59] <Walakea> how many more codenames does debian have to use?
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3300 [20:19:24] <Walakea> and what happens when they run out of them?
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3302 [20:20:42] <TomTomTosch> Walakea: then we will pay pixar to do another toy story?
3303 [20:20:55] <Walakea> i guess so
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3310 [20:22:26] <mutante> Walakea: do the math replaced-url
3311 [20:22:38] <bla1> hi there. a few hours ago i installed debian jessie without a de on my computer, then added openbox as window manager. my screen froze maybe four or five times, then showed only weird broken looking patterns. since it is the first time i try to configure my own desktop environment, i thought somebody could give me a hint what could have caused this? what i did so far is: installed xserver-xorg-core, xinit and openbox, then created a xinitrc file
3312 [20:22:39] <TomTomTosch> but with one release every other year we have some time. still didn't get to Debian "Mr. Pricklepants"
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3317 [20:23:23] <MadHatter42> hey guys , i've started to bring together a couple of small insights on debian on this repo git@github.com:tuwid/awesome-alexandria.git
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3319 [20:23:32] <MadHatter42> feel free to contribute if you want
3320 [20:23:42] <MadHatter42> replaced-url
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3330 [20:26:06] <Devastator> jmcnaught I don't know if you saw what I said early today, but I'm sorry for yesterday, I couldn't thank you and today I did what you said, but I wasn't sure which type of media should I choose while creating the VM, "Local install media" perhaps?!
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3334 [20:26:48] <JustinHitla> I have netbook with internal bluetooth adapter it shows up as hci0 device but after I removed some modules with "modprobe -r" it dissapeared, hciconfig shows nothing at all, is there any way to get it back without reboot ? as I said its internal so I can't disconnect and connect it again like USB one, also loading modules back doesn't work, should
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3336 [20:26:53] <JustinHitla> I restart udev or something ?
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3341 [20:27:48] <jmcnaught> Devastator: oh hey, no worries. "local install media" is the debian.iso you're installing from. If you're using the virt-manager wizard to make a VM, on step 4/5 you can "select managed or other existing storage" and then create a volume in your LVM pool
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3349 [20:28:51] <jmcnaught> bla1: do you have any errors from logs? when it freezes, how do you unfreeze it?
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3351 [20:29:39] <Meerkat> is the kernel in debian not updated very often? I haven't had an update in about 2 months
3352 [20:29:49] <Devastator> jmcnaught the first step is to choose how I would like to install the OS, "local install media" fine then, right?
3353 [20:30:28] <greycat> Stable packages only update when there is a security fix, or a major bug that gets swept into a point release.
3354 [20:30:38] <jmcnaught> Devastator: yeah. i usually put a debina netinst in /var/lib/libvirt/images for that
3355 [20:31:44] <Devastator> jmcnaught also I would like to point out that while asking for help in #qemu @ oftc I was told kernels 4.5/4.6 has a bug in THP, the fix is already in main tree and I asked in #debian-kernel @ oftc if the fix could be cherry-picked into a new backport kernel, the maintainer is evaluating the possibility
3356 [20:31:48] * jmcnaught will eventually typo every anagram of debian in this channel.
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3358 [20:32:13] <Devastator> but I think I have no use for THP now, right?
3359 [20:32:15] <greycat> In A Bed
3360 [20:32:27] <jmcnaught> Devastator: is using the stock jessie 3.16 kernel an option?
3361 [20:33:07] <Devastator> jmcnaught it could be, but I find it rather old, don't you think? do you run yours in stock kernel?
3362 [20:34:41] <jmcnaught> Devastator: yes of course. i stick to what Debian defaults as much as possible. the backports kernels are there for people who need newer hardware supported, or some new kernel feature maybe
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3369 [20:36:30] <warsoul> hello guys
3370 [20:36:43] <Devastator> jmcnaught I see, I kind of agree with your point, but there was some major changes in kernel since 4.x in terms of performance.. I guess I'll take my chances, people in #qemu couldn't say a recommended kernel for using it
3371 [20:36:43] <warsoul> got internet connection working fine did apt-get update
3372 [20:36:52] <warsoul> but still startx freeze
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3378 [20:38:26] <Devastator> jmcnaught my host has 4GB, I'm thinking about creating a VM with 1.5GB and the other with 2GB, should I install i386 on them or should I stay with amd64?
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3383 [20:39:26] <jmcnaught> warsoul: now you'll be able to put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on paste.debian.net
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3385 [20:40:14] <jmcnaught> Devastator: i use amd64 everywhere
3386 [20:40:41] <bla1> mmcnaught: i need to find out about the logfiles. give me a few minutes. i was not able to unfreeze, i had to use the power switch
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3390 [20:42:06] <warsoul> jmcnaught i have connection but im still on terminal
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3392 [20:42:58] <warsoul> there is a way to pastebin from terminal?
3393 [20:43:02] <jmcnaught> !pastebinit
3394 [20:43:02] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
3395 [20:43:18] <jmcnaught> warsoul (and bla1 too) ^^
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3413 [20:48:10] <warsoul> jmcnaught im getting en error saying unable to locate package pastebinit
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3416 [20:48:16] <warsoul> i did the upgrade
3417 [20:48:34] <greycat> ,v pastebinit
3418 [20:48:35] <judd> Package: pastebinit on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.1-2squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3-4; jessie: 1.4-4; stretch: 1.5-1; sid: 1.5-1
3419 [20:48:41] <zykotick9> warsoul: an alternative is replaced-url
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3421 [20:49:37] <jmcnaught> warsoul: and using zykotick9's command you should start with showing your sources.list
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3426 [20:50:23] <warsoul> jmcnaught like this: sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
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3430 [20:50:57] <zykotick9> warsoul: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999"
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3435 [20:52:25] <warsoul> done.
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3437 [20:53:08] <greycat> This would be the part where you tell us what the URL is.
3438 [20:53:21] <warsoul> it not showing url yet
3439 [20:53:26] <warsoul> _ is blinking
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3443 [20:53:42] <BinBasher> Can I install libglib1.2ldbl_1.2.10-19build1_i386 libgtk1.2_1.2.10-18.1build2_i386 libgtk1.2-common_1.2.10-18.1build2_all and place libSDL-1.2.so without breaking my debian jessie?
3444 [20:53:55] <BinBasher> through .deb installers that is
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3447 [20:54:15] <jmcnaught> zykotick9: by the way you can do that without cat: "nc termbin.com 9999 < /etc/apt/sources.list" for example
3448 [20:54:23] <bla1> jmcnaught: can you tell me in what log i should look and for what? i never had to use these before
3449 [20:54:31] <zykotick9> warsoul: <just fyi> but i just tried it, and it worked fine? replaced-url
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3451 [20:54:42] <warsoul> replaced-url
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3454 [20:55:06] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: thank, /me was uselessly using cat all this time ;)
3455 [20:55:12] <greycat> The fact that it took that long for your nc to connect is very disturbing.
3456 [20:55:35] <nikomo> Anyone know how to print out the origin for a package, I'm trying to set up unattended-upgrades for gogs
3457 [20:55:38] <warsoul> no i was missing a letter
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3460 [20:56:04] <jmcnaught> bla1: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is a good place to start. that would be the most recent Xorg log. Look for lines with errors that start with (EE) or put it in a pastebin using one of the methods we've been discussing above
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3462 [20:57:08] <warsoul> jmcnaught just want the sources.list
3463 [20:57:09] <warsoul> ?
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3465 [20:57:43] <jmcnaught> warsoul: you are missing the jessie main source. you have security, updates, backports, but not the main line for jessie
3466 [20:57:52] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell warsoul about jessie sources.list
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3469 [20:58:06] <bla1> alright, thanks
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3471 [20:58:42] <greycat> He has wannabe jessie lines but they say ftp.debian.org instead of a valid mirror.
3472 [20:59:00] <greycat> err... no, sorry. He doesn't. Those are jessie-updates.
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3474 [20:59:12] <greycat> But they do say ftp.debian.org which is not a mirror AFAIK.
3475 [20:59:16] <bennypr0fane> Hello, I can't use Flash plugin in Opera browser. There is this bug report replaced-url
3476 [20:59:17] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3477 [20:59:20] <BinBasher> could anyone quickly confirm if I would or would not break my system with above installation method?
3478 [20:59:23] <warsoul> replaced-url
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3480 [20:59:34] <user> Hi I printed a test page but the bottom border didn't show
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3482 [20:59:39] <user> anyone know why?
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3484 [21:00:12] <BinBasher> user: does it print properly in another OS?
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3486 [21:00:33] <user> BinBasher: I actually haven't tried in Windows yet
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3489 [21:00:48] <bla1> jmcnaught: okay, i got 33.413] (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0), it is the only line that starts with EE
3490 [21:01:03] <user> BinBasher: I don't even know where the test page is, I guess I could google it
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3492 [21:01:05] <BinBasher> user: try any other, might just be the printer too
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3498 [21:02:12] <Devastator> jmcnaught damn, I wget debian-8.4.0-netinst.iso into /var/lib/libvirt/images/ as root, but guest doesn't seem to be able to read the disk
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3503 [21:03:03] <warsoul> jmcnaught added the line and did update again
3504 [21:03:09] <jmcnaught> bla1: next time it freezes try switching to a different virtual console or use this trick instead of rebooting: replaced-url
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3508 [21:04:27] <jmcnaught> Devastator: on the libvirt host: "virsh -c qemu:///system pool-refresh default" (or use the recycle icon in virt-manager when looking at that storage pool)
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3510 [21:05:19] <warsoul> still freezing on startx
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3515 [21:06:31] <jmcnaught> bla1: with journalctl you can specify a program to see its related errors for example "journalctl /usr/bin/Xorg". Or if you were using a display manager like lightdm or gdm you could do "journalctl -u gdm".
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3517 [21:06:40] <bla1> jmcnaught: thanks a lot, but the last times i was not able to switch to another virtual console. i will read through your link
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3520 [21:08:18] <jmcnaught> bla1: you can also set journald to save journals between boots (they're not persistent by default in Debian), see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian. Then you can use "journalctl --boot -1" to see the previous boot (or you can grep through the various logs in /var/log to find the problem)
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3525 [21:09:24] <jmcnaught> bla1: there's probably also a ~/.xsession-errors or something in your home directory if you use startx (which i haven't used since the 90s)
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3527 [21:10:25] <jmcnaught> warsoul: yesterday weren't you trying to get the newer intel GPU drivers from jessie-backports? Is that what you're trying to do today?
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3531 [21:12:02] <bla1> jmcnaught: thanks, might be usefull. yes i use startx
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3537 [21:12:53] <Devastator> jmcnaught have you ever seen "Could not read CDROM (code 0009)"?
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3551 [21:16:39] <debug0x1> I found out my issue, I'm a noob, and didn't use a nameserver.
3552 [21:16:48] <debug0x1> It was using the IP as a nameserver, and that wasn't working.
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3558 [21:17:58] <teraflops> warsoul: haswell?
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3570 [21:23:10] <awwal> So no one knows how to disable a given pkg from being started and running in X bcoz it have a n .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart?
3571 [21:24:07] <greycat> No, because nobody who actually knows anything uses stuff that uses .desktop files.
3572 [21:24:26] <greycat> Thus the divide between the Knows and the Knows-Nots grows bigger.
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3580 [21:29:53] <awwal> "no body knows" is just an asking way, nvm. but I dont believe that no one uses stuff that uses .desktop. (gnome keyrings stuff, pulseaudio, notification daemon and more...) I believe they are present in a satandard debian system, also in your's , greycat
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3588 [21:31:19] <greycat> waiting for you to name something I use
3589 [21:31:43] <greycat> Also, if any of the other 1700 people here use these things and can answer your question, they're welcome to answer.
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3591 [21:32:15] <awwal> thats obvious, Mr greycat
3592 [21:32:30] * greycat listens to the IRC crickets
3593 [21:32:44] <awwal> we are not going to start a war about a few words, please, cheers (Y)
3594 [21:33:00] <jmcnaught> Devastator: no i don't think so. if you do "virsh dumpxml VM_NAME_HERE" you can compare the cdrom device to mine here: replaced-url
3595 [21:33:13] <greycat> I'm not starting a war. I'm pointing out a real, serious issue. Nobody who knows things can answer this question because they don't use the things you use.
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3598 [21:33:52] <awwal> you dont know what other people use. anyway, forget it
3599 [21:33:53] <Devastator> jmcnaught seems identical
3600 [21:34:29] <jmcnaught> Devastator: did you verify the iso download?
3601 [21:34:43] <teraflops> awwal: wait I don't even get what you asked
3602 [21:34:51] <Devastator> jmcnaught md5 matches
3603 [21:35:17] <jmcnaught> awwal: those files in /etc/xdg/autostart are conffiles, you could just move them out of that directory
3604 [21:35:26] <teraflops> ... how can I disable something that puts a thing in an autostart folder?
3605 [21:35:37] <teraflops> deleting the desktop file?
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3610 [21:38:03] <awwal> teraflops, jmcnaught, I have for example wicd and xfce power manager being loaded to my systemtray because of ther .desktop files in xdg, so I dont want them in my system tray and I dont know how to disable that.
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3614 [21:38:57] <awwal> jmcnaught, I thught in that remove them or mouve them from xdg dir but I dont know if its the normal solution
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3618 [21:40:40] <Devastator> ,v virt-manager
3619 [21:40:41] <judd> Package: virt-manager on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-8; wheezy: 0.9.1-4; jessie: 1:1.0.1-5; sid: 1:1.3.2-4; stretch: 1:1.3.2-4
3620 [21:41:18] <teraflops> awwal: what does mean .desktop files in xdg? also you say xfce power manager being loaded to my systemtray because of ther .desktop files in the xdg and then you say I dont know how to disable that
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3624 [21:41:58] <teraflops> awwal: that's crazy, well my english is crap but it does not make sense to me
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3627 [21:42:15] <greycat> replaced-url
3628 [21:42:28] <greycat> That appears to answer your questions, but I cannot test it. I don't use this stuff.
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3630 [21:43:15] <warsoul> greycat i try to install lxde
3631 [21:43:23] <warsoul> but when try to run it startlxde
3632 [21:43:27] <greycat> Did you get a vanilla startx to work?
3633 [21:43:31] <awwal> teraflops, thanks for the link
3634 [21:43:33] <teraflops> awwal: but it looks like you already know how to disable them
3635 [21:43:37] <warsoul> greycat no
3636 [21:43:41] <warsoul> startx didnt work
3637 [21:43:42] <awwal> greycat, I meant :)
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3639 [21:43:52] <greycat> If startx is still freezing the system, installing MORE COMPLICATED stuff is not going to fix that.
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3641 [21:44:23] <warsoul> trying lxde it says Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display
3642 [21:44:33] <warsoul> greycat what else you think i should check?
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3644 [21:44:40] <greycat> That's because that's not how you ... fuck it, too much to explain and you won't understand.
3645 [21:44:44] <teraflops> warsoul: haswell?
3646 [21:44:52] <markybob> you were probably root then
3647 [21:45:30] <warsoul> but if driver and everything is install
3648 [21:45:41] <warsoul> what could be the problem on freezing after startx
3649 [21:45:58] <greycat> Bad driver, bad hardware, we can't really tell. You haven't given enough info.
3650 [21:46:08] * teraflops stops asking warsoul for the cpu/gnu generation
3651 [21:46:16] <greycat> I tried to help you try to install the jessie-backports intel video driver yesterday.
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3653 [21:46:29] <greycat> That was just a quick & easy try to see if it would work.
3654 [21:46:33] <warsoul> greycat can we do it again?
3655 [21:46:36] <warsoul> before debian
3656 [21:46:41] <warsoul> it was working fine
3657 [21:46:56] <teraflops> you don't even need a xf86 video driver for latest intel gpus
3658 [21:47:01] <awwal> teraflops, for example, openbox-session calls autostart file and starts in background and if the pkg have a systray icon openbox-session puts in systemtray, so I want prevent that. thats all. I want openbox load only the apps I want so wondering if deleting .desktop files is the solution. thats all
3659 [21:47:03] <teraflops> modesetting is fine
3660 [21:47:15] <awwal> anyway, not important, forget my question (Y)
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3663 [21:48:40] <teraflops> awwal: openbox is old as hell and I never used it, i cannot help you with that bit. but if you want to disable a thing being started because it has a .desktop file in a folder i bet deleting/moving it away stops autostarting it
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3665 [21:48:59] <greycat> I bet the answer in that askbuntu forum post also works.
3666 [21:49:07] <Sunny_> can someone help a noob with that error ? replaced-url
3667 [21:49:44] <warsoul> greycat could you help me install the backports intel video drivers?
3668 [21:49:57] <user> does anyone sync tasks/calendar locally between computer and android?
3669 [21:50:12] <greycat> Just do what you were told yesterday.
3670 [21:50:25] <greycat> apt-get install -t jessie-backports xserver-xorg-video-intel
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3672 [21:50:47] <[ats]posix> xD
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3675 [21:51:14] <warsoul> greycat done
3676 [21:51:16] <warsoul> 1upgrade
3677 [21:51:19] <warsoul> now startx
3678 [21:51:19] <warsoul> ?
3679 [21:51:36] <greycat> Who knows.
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3681 [21:52:27] <warsoul> WORK!!!!!
3682 [21:52:29] <warsoul> :0
3683 [21:52:30] <warsoul> :)
3684 [21:52:35] <warsoul> lol
3685 [21:52:37] <warsoul> thanks greycat
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3701 [21:56:50] <mi11k1> warsoul: try a dm like slim or lightdm
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3703 [21:57:07] <greycat> Well, now that he has startx working he can install any DE or WM that he wants.
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3705 [21:57:27] <warsoul> greycat when i type startx
3706 [21:57:30] <warsoul> it run lxde
3707 [21:57:33] <mi11k1> oh, i missed thathe has it working , haha
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3709 [21:57:51] <teraflops> Sunny_: does /etc/php5/conf.d/ folder exist there?
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3719 [22:00:11] <BinBasher> does a 64 bit version of libgtk-1.2.so.0 exist?
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3724 [22:01:24] <user> how many are in the UK? :D
3725 [22:01:30] <user> just wondering
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3727 [22:02:01] <Sunny_> teraflops: i have no conf.d folder in /etc/php5/
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3734 [22:04:49] <teraflops> Sunny_: yeah you solved the issue
3735 [22:05:01] <teraflops> congrats
3736 [22:05:05] <Sunny_> oem ..
3737 [22:05:09] <[ats]posix> my disc is healthy , now ! tks guys
3738 [22:05:38] <Sunny_> i have to create a conf.d folder ?
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3741 [22:06:04] <greycat> what.
3742 [22:06:17] <greycat> greg@remote:~$ dpkg -L php5-fpm | grep conf.d | head -1
3743 [22:06:17] <greycat> /etc/php5/fpm/conf.d
3744 [22:06:29] <teraflops> Sunny_: read the error. it says it cannot copy the file to that folder. and that folder does not exists ....
3745 [22:06:38] <greycat> greg@remote:~$ dpkg -L php5-common | grep conf.d | head -1
3746 [22:06:38] <greycat> /etc/php5/conf.d
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3749 [22:07:10] <teraflops> Sunny_: but I wonder if it's a bug or the package you're trying to install is not from debian repos
3750 [22:07:11] <Sunny_> wow, wow.... wow.. :D thanks...
3751 [22:07:14] <greycat> So the question is WHY do you not have this directory.
3752 [22:07:26] <Sunny_> its from debian i think..
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3754 [22:08:11] <Sunny_> nice it works. i´m so happy now :D thanks guys.
3755 [22:08:17] <teraflops> heh ;)
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3763 [22:10:45] <greycat> Hey, I finally found a box that can find a libgtk1.2 package. It's a Debian 5 box.
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3767 [22:11:05] <teraflops> heh
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3771 [22:11:15] <greycat> So you just need to yoink the libgtk1.2 package out of the lenny archive.
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3774 [22:12:48] <DammitJim> I don't even know where to ask this question, but is there a way to check what files will be updated with rsync when doing this over ssh to another server?
3775 [22:13:02] <greycat> rsync has a -n option for this, I think?
3776 [22:13:08] <jelly> DammitJim: -n
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3778 [22:13:23] <greycat> (#rsync would also have been a valid place to ask)
3779 [22:13:34] <DammitJim> I did -n but it printed everything
3780 [22:13:36] <DammitJim> thanks
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3784 [22:14:11] <teraflops> --dry-run is similar?
3785 [22:14:11] <warsoul> greycat what desktop you use?
3786 [22:14:19] <greycat> I use fvwm. Not a desktop.
3787 [22:14:26] <jelly> DammitJim: which other options did you use? my typical -Pan only displays changed files
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3789 [22:14:54] <DammitJim> --dry-run = -n
3790 [22:15:04] <DammitJim> thanks jelly
3791 [22:15:09] <teraflops> ah ^
3792 [22:17:01] <BinBasher> apparently it does exist.. does anyone have a copy of the 64 bit libgtk-1.2.so.0 ?
3793 [22:17:11] <greycat> It's in the lenny archive.
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3795 [22:17:38] <user> anyone know how to set up a picture in picture thingy?
3796 [22:17:40] <greycat> I make no promises that a lenny package will be installable on your system.
3797 [22:17:41] <user> is it possible?
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3800 [22:17:58] <user> play a vid in the background while I work/do other stuff? lol
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3804 [22:18:35] <greycat> We call those "windows".
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3806 [22:18:51] <teraflops> grab the package and ar it
3807 [22:19:11] <[ats]posix> read @ work somewhere else that quakelive is linux ready, again!
3808 [22:19:11] <greycat> Play the video in a window. Voila.
3809 [22:19:19] <[ats]posix> under steam
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3811 [22:19:33] <user> greycat: ok :(
3812 [22:19:46] <greycat> I don't understand the :( there.
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3814 [22:20:11] <user> me neither, a doh moment I guess
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3816 [22:20:33] <user> has anyone tried taskwarrior?
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3820 [22:21:05] <greycat> Does such a thing exist, or is this a trick question? If it exists, chances are fairly high that someone somewhere has tried it.
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3825 [22:22:09] <user> greycat: yup, it's not a trick question
3826 [22:22:48] <user> where is everyone from?
3827 [22:24:19] <ninecheddar> Marijuana, Ontario, Canada
3828 [22:24:25] <ninecheddar> err
3829 [22:24:25] <user> lol
3830 [22:24:25] <markybob> user: this isn't for chatting. go to #debian-offtopic for that
3831 [22:24:27] <ninecheddar> Toronto
3832 [22:24:33] <ninecheddar> ^^^
3833 [22:24:45] <user> markybob: ok
3834 [22:24:46] <[ats]posix> how do i remove a broken package ?
3835 [22:24:50] <[ats]posix> virtualbox
3836 [22:24:53] <[ats]posix> broken ..
3837 [22:25:00] <greycat> Depends on how it's broken.
3838 [22:25:05] <ninecheddar> omg! I have to ask a similar question
3839 [22:25:07] <[ats]posix> dpaste
3840 [22:25:08] <greycat> What happened when you tried to remove it with dpkg --purge?
3841 [22:25:08] <[ats]posix> sec
3842 [22:25:09] <warsoul> greycat i think im missing a driver
3843 [22:25:17] <warsoul> im connected via ethernet
3844 [22:25:28] <warsoul> but when i try wifi it says no wireless networks found.
3845 [22:25:39] <ninecheddar> I wanted to run Cinnamon in VirtualBox, what a crazy time I had with that
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3847 [22:25:48] <greycat> Don't ask particular people for help with wifi. Ask the channel at large.
3848 [22:26:26] <ninecheddar> ah that problem in vbox? you connect inside the VM with "ethernet", your host OS connects via WiFi
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3854 [22:28:54] <jmcnaught> warsoul: "lspci -nn | grep -i net | nc termbin.com 9999"
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3856 [22:28:57] <PaulePanter> Hi. If I have gcc-4.9 and gcc-5 installed, how can I control what the default compiler (/usr/bin/gcc) is?
3857 [22:29:24] <PaulePanter> The software does not support setting CC= variable.
3858 [22:29:46] <markybob> !update-alternatives
3859 [22:29:47] <dpkg> update-alternatives is a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the Debian <alternatives> system. The galternatives package provides a graphical front-end.
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3862 [22:30:38] <greycat> I don't think gcc uses alternatives
3863 [22:30:57] <greycat> Just change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink directly, yourself.
3864 [22:31:04] <markybob> oh
3865 [22:31:16] <jmcnaught> there's an alternative for cc which for me points to /usr/bin/gcc
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3867 [22:31:40] <greycat> not particularly useful if his "cannot be configured" not-make thing directly runs gcc
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3870 [22:32:09] <[ats]posix> its fixed tks greycat
3871 [22:32:11] <markybob> greycat: yes it actually does
3872 [22:32:17] <[ats]posix> :)
3873 [22:32:27] <greycat> which "it" actually does what?
3874 [22:32:30] <[ats]posix> can someone show me good wallpaper website
3875 [22:32:30] <warsoul> jmcnaught replaced-url
3876 [22:32:34] <[ats]posix> fancy and cool !
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3881 [22:33:47] <greycat> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for gcc
3882 [22:34:04] <greycat> in case that's what markybob thought "it" "does"
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3884 [22:34:48] <jmcnaught> warsoul: you need to follow the instructions on replaced-url
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3886 [22:36:21] <warsoul> jmcnaugt # Debian 7 "Wheezy"
3887 [22:36:21] <warsoul> deb replaced-url
3888 [22:36:26] <warsoul> i have debian 8
3889 [22:36:54] <jmcnaught> warsoul: that's an example. adapt the example for your situation
3890 [22:36:57] <greycat> Then don't use a wheezy repository.
3891 [22:37:23] <greycat> It's just "add contrib and non-free", right?
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3894 [22:38:04] <jmcnaught> warsoul: also based on your lspci output you'll want to use the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package
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3896 [22:38:20] <warsoul> deb replaced-url
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3898 [22:38:25] <warsoul> like that
3899 [22:38:26] <warsoul> ?
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3901 [22:39:16] <jmcnaught> warsoul: no. "deb replaced-url
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3903 [22:39:45] <jmcnaught> warsoul: pay close attention to the instructions and make sure you select the correct package for your card
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3905 [22:40:08] <warsoul> jmcnaught how do i know the correct package to my card?
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3907 [22:41:21] <jmcnaught> warsoul: this was yours: replaced-url
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3911 [22:42:48] <jmcnaught> warsoul: actually maybe it's not so clear. the wiki page says that your card needs firmware-b43-lpphy-installer but that package is only available for wheezy. you'll need to do more research
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3921 [22:46:35] <warsoul> jmcnaught i already have the jessie main i added the line you type and it gave me an error
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3923 [22:46:49] <warsoul> but when i try to install de firmware installer is giving me error
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3925 [22:48:08] <jmcnaught> warsoul: make another paste of your sources.list, and also of the command you used and the output you get
3926 [22:48:35] <warsoul> ok
3927 [22:50:31] <warsoul> replaced-url
3928 [22:50:39] <warsoul> replaced-url
3929 [22:50:53] <BinBasher> Could anyone explain this? replaced-url
3930 [22:50:56] <user> how do I check the version of a package on the command line?
3931 [22:51:02] <greycat> user: dpkg -l pkgname
3932 [22:51:12] <greycat> (pipe it to cat to make it stop truncating)
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3939 [22:52:11] <jmcnaught> warsoul: each of your "deb" lines just end with "main". you need to add "contrib non-free" after main to each one
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3943 [22:53:11] <warsoul> after that apt-get update
3944 [22:53:12] <warsoul> ?
3945 [22:53:33] <jmcnaught> BinBasher: an ancient package from a decade ago isn't installing cleanly on a modern system
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3947 [22:54:03] <jmcnaught> BinBasher: seems like it is missing a dependency libgtk1.2-common
3948 [22:54:29] <BinBasher> jmcnaught: yep, I installed that the line above
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3950 [22:54:38] <jmcnaught> warsoul: any time you update your sources.list file you need to run "apt-get update" for the changes to take effect
3951 [22:54:47] <warsoul> ok done
3952 [22:54:55] <BinBasher> jmcnaught: any clue where to look into since I've installed the dependency?
3953 [22:55:03] <warsoul> now apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
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3956 [22:56:20] <user> command to check debian version?
3957 [22:56:37] <greycat> cat /etc/debian_version
3958 [22:57:14] <greycat> If that's not enough info for a particular situation, the next step is usually dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
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3960 [22:57:34] <user> greycat: that's good, thanks :)
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3962 [22:58:40] <BinBasher> greg, any clue what I should do? You seem to be a guru ;-)
3963 [22:59:26] <warsoul> jmcnaught installed the firmware
3964 [22:59:38] <warsoul> but still no wireless networks found.
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3966 [23:00:01] <jmcnaught> warsoul: did the messages on the screen indicate success of failure when you installed the package?
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3969 [23:00:25] <meshuggah> hello i try to setup crontab, but it fail
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3972 [23:00:33] <jmcnaught> warsoul: you probably need to at least reload the modules for the wireless card (or reboot) for it to work (assuming the firmware installed successfully)
3973 [23:01:13] <warsoul> yes it was installed with no errors
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3977 [23:01:58] <jmcnaught> warsoul: for you i think rebooting will be easier than trying to figure out which modules need to be removed and loaded
3978 [23:02:19] <jmcnaught> meshuggah: can you provide details about how you tried and how it failed?
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3985 [23:04:00] <warsoul> no wireless networks found.
3986 [23:04:02] <warsoul> :(
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3990 [23:05:39] <jmcnaught> warsoul: after you rebooted? are there broadcom related messages in the output of "dmesg | grep -i firmware"?
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3993 [23:05:58] <meshuggah> jmcnaught, */5 * * * * supybot-botchk --botdir=/home/bot1/supybot1/ --pidfile=/home/bot1/s$
3994 [23:06:02] <meshuggah> jmcnaught, with crontab -e
3995 [23:06:10] <greycat> Try writing the full path to supybot-botchk
3996 [23:06:29] <meshuggah> */5 * * * * supybot-botchk --botdir=/home/bot1/supybot1/ --pidfile=/home/bot1/supybot1/AktionT4.pid --conffile=/home/bot1/supybot1/AktionT4.conf sorry
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3998 [23:06:42] <greycat> Try writing the full path to supybot-botchk
3999 [23:06:51] <meshuggah> maybe that
4000 [23:06:53] <meshuggah> thank
4001 [23:07:24] <Walakea> what does it mean, when dmesg tells me this? [ 0.044404] Your BIOS is broken and requested that x2apic be disabled.
4002 [23:07:50] <warsoul> jmcnaught replaced-url
4003 [23:08:03] <greycat> It means don't count on x2apic whatever that is.
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4009 [23:09:50] <jmcnaught> warsoul: looks like it loaded the firmwares okay. are you using network manager? what does "nmcli device wifi list" do?
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4011 [23:10:04] <PaulePanter> greycat: Thank you. I had checked update-alternatives too, but found out it does not work.
4012 [23:10:09] <PaulePanter> … for gcc.
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4015 [23:10:45] <warsoul> nmcli command not found
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4017 [23:11:20] <jmcnaught> warsoul: so what are you using to connect to wireless networks?
4018 [23:11:37] <warsoul> on the desktop
4019 [23:11:42] <warsoul> Wicd Network Manager
4020 [23:11:47] <[ats]posix> xD
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4025 [23:14:41] <jmcnaught> warsoul: ahh.. i don't know how to use wicd on the command line. Take a look at replaced-url
4026 [23:15:09] <warsoul> can we install the one you know
4027 [23:15:09] <warsoul> ?
4028 [23:15:53] <mrrhq> I use just a plain wpa_supplicant config file and a line in my /etc/network/interfaces file to use it.
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4030 [23:16:24] <jmcnaught> warsoul: there are instructions (and links to more info) for a variety of ways to use wifi in the link i just sent you
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4034 [23:19:13] <erm3nda> Hi. Question: Does anyone know where to tweak the appearance of the workspace changer?? I don't know the path to start search. I suspect something inside the cinnamon themes in my case
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4037 [23:20:11] <user> how do I rename an external hd's label?
4038 [23:22:07] <erm3nda> I used Gparted to that task
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4041 [23:23:42] <warsoul> there is any other network manager easier than wicd?
4042 [23:24:07] <user> am I doing something wrong?
4043 [23:24:18] <user> I think that my external hd should appear within /mnt/
4044 [23:24:21] <user> but its not there
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4048 [23:26:17] <mrrhq> user: Does fdisk -l show anything?
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4058 [23:30:18] <user> mrrhq: it's ok, i will do it later
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4060 [23:30:23] <user> mrrhq: not urgent
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4072 [23:36:02] <erm3nda> :V
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4109 [23:50:42] <warsoul> jmcnaught done thanks buddy
4110 [23:50:48] <warsoul> the webpage was helpfull
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4118 [23:52:36] <jmcnaught> warsoul: nice, i'm glad you got it figured out
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4122 [23:54:24] <user> how do I automount my windows drives?
4123 [23:54:26] <user> on startup
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4130 [23:55:46] <mrrhq> Wondering if anybody knows a little about networking. I have 6rd enabled on my router, and I have an IPv6 and IPv4 address. But I can only use IPv4. Is there a way to set up my interfaces file to use IPv6 on wlan0? I have used ip -6 addr and it says I have the LAN address, however ip -6 route doesn't show a route, and I can't seem to add an IPv6 default route. Shows up an error: "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid
4131 [23:55:48] <mrrhq> argument"
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4133 [23:56:24] <warsoul> jmcnaught what irc client you use?
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4136 [23:56:56] <mrrhq> I have read this page: replaced-url
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4140 [23:57:49] <jmcnaught> warsoul: i use irssi running inside a GNU screen session on a shell server that I connect to with ssh. that way my IRC client is always connected and I can reattach
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4144 [23:58:18] <paule32> hello
4145 [23:58:18] <prussian> oh
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4147 [23:58:23] <prussian> I just use ZNC lol
4148 [23:58:24] <andril> is it easy to install win$ after Debian so i can update my bios?
4149 [23:58:35] <prussian> I guess?
4150 [23:59:26] <andril> what about grub
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4152 [23:59:34] <markybob> it'll go away
4153 [23:59:34] <paule32> have jessie 8, can't use mysql_pdo, have install with dpkg -i ... but apache will can not use PDO - could not find driver
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