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• 20[00:07:49] <gr8> jmcnaught: the answer is yes: replaced-url
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• 22[00:08:43] <jmcnaught> gr8: just saw that page too, seems like some stuff not quite working yet. personally i'm fine with the default, and Icedove isn't going to care what format the mail is stored in on the server
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• 26[00:09:10] <jmcnaught> gr8: my IMAP server uses Maildir, but I've never changed any defaults re: local mail store for Icedove
• 27[00:09:14] <gr8> it's not actually about the server, but my local storage format
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• 37[00:11:53] <Fauve> Hello people.
• 38[00:12:23] <Fauve> I try to made a script witch find the last stable package of a list of software in jessy.
• 39[00:12:33] <Fauve> I think I will parse pages like replaced-url
• 40[00:12:47] <Fauve> But, there is not a json version of this file ?
• 41[00:13:15] <Fauve> It will be a little bit simple to parse.
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• 59[00:25:56] <teraflops> is it mandatory to provide json files?
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• 66[00:26:53] <Fauve> teraflops: no,
• 67[00:27:02] <Fauve> But at list a simple parsed format.
• 68[00:27:09] <teraflops> :S
• 69[00:27:49] <Fauve> least*
• 70[00:27:50] <teraflops> Fauve: my point is that there is literally 100 ways for parsing web pages, from bash to python
• 71[00:27:58] <teraflops> 1000*
• 72[00:28:00] <teraflops> :P
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• 74[00:28:04] <Fauve> teraflops: yes, I know.
• 75[00:28:10] <Fauve> This was my first Idea.
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• 77[00:28:38] <Fauve> But I did the same think for gentoo-packages and when I discover the use json, I find it much better.
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• 85[00:30:03] <Amarande> *grumble*
• 86[00:30:07] <Amarande> sometimes I wish aptitude was smarter
• 87[00:30:35] <Amarande> just had to type out something like a 500 character long command line to clean up after the bloody thing because it makes poor decisions :P
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• 90[00:31:05] <Amarande> unfortunately, it also appears that making the right decision in this case is beyond aptitude's architecture and sadly I lack the coding skill to patch that fact :(
• 91[00:31:50] <Amarande> specifically: libva1 has a very annoying habit (on stretch, at least, haven't used jessie in a while) of automatically deciding to pull in the nVidia proprietary drivers, regardless of what you actually have on the system
• 92[00:32:36] <Amarande> to make things more irritating, you probably won't install libva1 directly (you're more likely to do it as a dependency chain from libasound2-plugins, which is needed by a fair number of things, particularly Linux native games on GOG)
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• 94[00:33:31] <markybob> Amarande: you know you're in the wrong place for stretch support?
• 95[00:33:44] <Amarande> like, really, would it be that epic of a feat of coding to have aptitude perform a test so that it finds that NO this laptop doesn't have an nVidia GPU and it should pull i965-va-driver like a good little boy :)
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• 100[00:34:42] <Amarande> markybob: the kvetch is easily a more general one about aptitude having a tendency to choose alternative dependencies/recommendations that aren't the right choice for the system
• 101[00:34:53] <Amarande> particularly when the dependency chains are long :)
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• 103[00:35:14] <teraflops> Fauve: e.g `xidel --extract "//h1" "replaced-url
• 104[00:35:23] <Amarande> wondering just how radically aptitude would have to be refactored in order to allow smarter decisions, too
• 105[00:36:02] <Amarande> (clearly there ought to be some way it can tell "you have this type of GPU, I should prefer packages related to it instead of defaulting to one GPU make that may or may not be what's installed")
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• 107[00:37:12] <Amarande> although it's probably too specific a situation for too much development work
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• 109[00:38:09] <Amarande> (and probably always is primarily a debian-next matter, as graphics packages are probably going to be most seen among gamers, and us gamers typically have to run testing due to the need for more current graphics libs)
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• 112[00:38:44] <markybob> Amarande: apt-cache show libva1 shows it does not depend on nvidia
• 113[00:38:52] <Amarande> markybob: yeah, it's more insidious
• 114[00:39:13] <Amarande> it recommends va-driver-all or va-driver
• 115[00:39:40] <Amarande> and the default aptitude logic (at least on current stretch, haven't tried jessie) seems to cause it to default to the nvidia driver (at least if the non-free repo is present in sources.list)
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• 117[00:40:01] <markybob> Amarande: apt-cache show va-driver-all also doesn't depend on nvidia
• 118[00:40:07] <Amarande> markybob: also, something that occurred to me as a result of cleaning up after aptitude
• 119[00:40:32] <Amarande> am I correct that it is impossible for a 32-bit app with a dependency chain leading to a DKMS package to have full functionality on a 64-bit system?
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• 121[00:41:19] <Amarande> (because ultimately it will insist on trying to build a kernel module that isn't the right architecture, ofc)
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• 127[00:46:06] <teraflops> I guess if you want vaapi you have to install explicitly the backend you're going to use one thing is being smart and other thing is being clairvoyant
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• 133[00:52:08] <Fauve> So, teraflops the command will be executed on a gentoo system, witch havent xidel :(
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• 138[00:55:44] <teraflops> Fauve: there is other 9999 methods for doing it. note the _e.g_ I wrote. im pretty sure you can grab xidel in gentoo though
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• 150[01:00:48] <teraflops> roses are red, violets are blue, if you don't mind compile times, install gentoo ...
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• 156[01:03:00] <buu> Goddamn it X
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• 158[01:03:31] <buu> Guys I need a CLI command to force X to start displaying on HDMI-0
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• 162[01:05:40] <teraflops> buu: what's wrong with xrandr?
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• 164[01:06:03] <galex-713> How do we know if a package is installed in auto mode?
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• 166[01:07:38] <buu> teraflops: It isn't working =[
• 167[01:08:10] <buu> teraflops: Or at least --auto isn't doing anything
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• 169[01:10:41] <teraflops> buu: is this a dual gpu laptop aka optimus?
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• 171[01:11:01] <benjr> i ran the following command in my terminal, expected to be able to kill it with ctrl+z but i cant because i think its running in the background, how can i stop it? "for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8; do while : ; do : ; done & done"
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• 179[01:15:31] <buu> teraflops: Nope, single display hdmi
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• 181[01:15:47] <buu> When I turn the monitor off it loses the display and never finds it again
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• 183[01:15:59] <buu> benjr: kill %1; is a start
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• 192[01:22:50] <xcel---> who gave the tips about mpv? its relly great
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• 197[01:26:53] <teraflops> xcel---: like mpv tips? check this one `mpv ytdl://ytsearch10:"dream theater"`
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• 205[01:32:58] <xcel---> teraflops: how do i reaload the stream to go live?
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• 209[01:34:13] <teraflops> xcel---: i dont understand what live means
• 210[01:34:25] <xcel---> well im watching the stream but i thinks its delayed
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• 213[01:34:42] <teraflops> xcel---: delayed how? it's a live stream?
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• 252[01:52:25] <Na> What's the best way to run the installer on a KVM vps?
• 253[01:52:39] <Na> *without a cd-rom
• 254[01:54:27] <Na> I've currently got the iso (debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso) dd'd onto /dev/vda, and I'm able to succesfully boot, but the early stages of the image don't seem to include virtio drivers, preventing the installer from unpacking everything else
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• 257[01:57:50] <tremon> Na: jessie should definitely have the virtio drivers on-board, I've run that installer myself
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• 259[01:58:39] <tremon> if the installer fails at unpacking, you're already past the partitioning stage -- where it would fail if it detected no suitable disks
• 260[01:58:52] <Na> tremon: Does it have them at early boot? Like, before "Detect your CD-ROM"
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• 267[02:00:21] <tremon> there's not really such a thing as "early boot" for the installer. but at least I know where you are in the process :)
• 268[02:00:46] <tremon> that does mean that the installer can't find its installer files
• 269[02:00:51] <Na> Correct
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• 272[02:01:34] <tremon> I'm not really sure why though, only thing I can think of is that the installer isn't searching in /dev/vda because it doesn't consider it a removable disk
• 273[02:01:53] <tremon> but I'm not certain that the installer even cares about the removable status of a disk
• 274[02:02:04] <Na> There is no /dev/vda at all
• 275[02:02:10] <Na> /proc/partitions is empty
• 276[02:02:46] <Na> and no virtio kernel modules are loaded (or even in /lib/modules)
• 277[02:03:11] <tremon> ah. that would indeed indicate a missing driver
• 278[02:03:53] <tremon> can you run modprobe virtio_scsi ?
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• 280[02:04:45] <Na> It comes back with "modprobe: FATAL: Module virtio_scsi not found."
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• 282[02:05:40] <tremon> what's the output of uname -r?
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• 284[02:05:58] <Na> 3.16.0-4-amd64
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• 286[02:06:30] <tremon> I'll try to download the iso you mentioned and take a look
• 287[02:06:47] <Na> Thanks :D
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• 290[02:11:39] <tremon> nope, you're right, the virtio driver is missing
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• 292[02:12:19] <tremon> oddly enough the nvme driver is there, as is the ahci driver (generic sata)
• 293[02:12:47] <tremon> are you able to present a new disk to the vm as either sata, usb, or cdrom?
• 294[02:13:05] <Na> Unfortunately no
• 295[02:13:23] <Na> I am, however, able to transfer files over
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• 297[02:14:46] <Na> It's kind of hacky, since I'm doing it over the web-vnc session. But if there's some way to load the virtio drivers, then I should be good to go
• 298[02:14:50] <tremon> I'm not exactly sure how the installer boot process works, but you would need to regenerate the install.amd/initrd.gz file
• 299[02:15:16] <Na> Ah, yeah, that's also an option I suppose
• 300[02:15:26] <tremon> that's doable but it's more involved that simply copying a few files
• 301[02:18:21] <tremon> the files you need are in /pool/main/l/linux/virtio-modules-3.16.0-4-amd64-di_3.16.7-ckt25-1_amd64.udeb already
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• 307[02:22:40] <tremon> ok, i've just tested the procedure for adding the files. I can't verify that it actually works though :)
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• 309[02:23:19] <tremon> (can't verify that the installer works, I mean)
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• 313[02:24:47] <tremon> first, pick the initrd that you will be using. I always prefer text-mode installation, so I've tested with /install.amd/initrd.gz . If you want the graphical installer, use /install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz
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• 315[02:25:40] <tremon> create a new directory: cd `mktemp -d` is my favourite
• 316[02:26:30] <tremon> extract the initrd in the new directory: zcat /install.amd/initrd.gz | cpio -i
• 317[02:27:12] <tremon> extract the virtio drivers on top: dpkg -x /pool/main/l/linux/virtio-modules-3.16.0-4-amd64-di_3.16.7-ckt25-1_amd64.udeb .
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• 319[02:27:37] <tremon> re-run depmod (not sure if it's required): /sbin/depmod -b $PWD
• 320[02:28:31] <tremon> pack the modified initrd: find . | cpio -o -H newc | gzip -9 > /install.amd/initrd.gz
• 321[02:28:54] <tremon> you would need a working debian environment to do this, though
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• 324[02:29:31] <Na> Luckily I can manage a working debian environment
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• 326[02:29:38] <tremon> :)
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• 344[02:44:31] <stevenroose> hi
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• 349[02:45:15] <stevenroose> I have a headless debian server just freshle installed on amd64. I tried to install java with apt-get install default-jdk but I got a lot of errors like this
• 350[02:45:28] <themill> !bat
• 351[02:45:28] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 352[02:45:31] <stevenroose> Package openjdk-7-jre:amd64 is not configured yet.
• 353[02:45:54] <themill> the output of "apt-get -f install" would be good to see along with the things dpkg asked for
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• 355[02:47:01] <stevenroose> themill, replaced-url
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• 357[02:47:31] <themill> whatever btcd.sh is, it needs fixing
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• 360[02:47:53] <stevenroose> is that the reason here?
• 361[02:48:07] <stevenroose> it's just a shell script with a start-stop-daemon command inside
• 362[02:48:30] <andril> hello
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• 364[02:48:57] <themill> stevenroose: sysvinit has needed much more than that for about a decade; you need to also provide a stack of other metadata
• 365[02:49:03] <themill> !missing lsb tags
• 366[02:49:03] <dpkg> From 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, Debian uses a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires all init scripts having appropriate headers, so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from 3.1 "Sarge" and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: replaced-url
• 367[02:49:27] <tremon> stevenroose: the problem is that you have two init scripts without LSB headers. That means insserv is trying to order both scripts last, and fails
• 368[02:49:27] <themill> or alternatively, just write a trivial systemd unit for it
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• 372[02:50:13] <stevenroose> the script is the cause of the apt failure? (one problem at a time :p)
• 373[02:50:23] <stevenroose> if the init.d script must have all the metadata, what is the simplest way to do a start-stop-daemon at startup?
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• 376[02:50:45] <stevenroose> I can just as well provide the metadata though
• 377[02:51:03] <stevenroose> tremon, aha
• 378[02:51:23] <tremon> stevenroose: start out by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton :)
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• 380[02:52:01] <tremon> themill: will a systemd unit lead insserv to ignore the init script, or should the init script be removed as well?
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• 396[02:55:44] <stevenroose> tremon, themill, thanks, the shell file was the problem. I used the skeleton to add the metadata!
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• 398[02:58:09] <themill> tremon: insserv will still try to order everything even if it's not used; I don't think insserv knows anything about which init scripts won't be run because a native unit exists
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• 402[03:01:05] <tremon> ok thx. expected as much :)
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• 410[03:05:16] <awwal> thats because gtk2 based apps are well integrated and gtk3 & qt based also have a nice integration under xfce; how ia all that achieved with xfce standard theme?
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• 440[03:15:54] <ecom> Is there a way to set a specific theme for pavucontrol? My theme breaks in pavucontrol, but works for all other applications. I looked into ~/.config/pavucontrol.ini, but I didn't find documentation on setting a specific theme.
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• 478[03:37:57] <BrutusUnix> Can someone help me setup audio cards.. i have snd_hda_intel, trying to use pulseaudio with pavucontrol (control is not showing any audio cards)... aplay -l shows: card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC3232 Analog [ALC3232 Analog]
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• 482[03:38:53] <awwal> via terminal I launch mpv executing "mpv youtubeurl" but I dont want to see the terminal and the output; just mpv
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• 484[03:39:50] <BrutusUnix> awwal just put & at the end of the command
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• 486[03:40:05] <BrutusUnix> then type exit
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• 488[03:40:44] <BrutusUnix> or 'mpv youtubeurl > 1&2 & ; exit'
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• 490[03:41:05] <awwal> BrutusUnix, hmmm, I havent had that idea, lets try :)
• 491[03:41:51] <karlpinc> !tell BrutusUnix about alsa checklist
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• 493[03:42:01] <karlpinc> BrutusUnix: That's all I know about audio.
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• 500[03:44:10] <awwal> BrutusUnix, good, it works. First time I use mpv for youtube, so I forget the & utility :) thanks for the trick
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• 512[03:44:58] <phy1729> BrutusUnix: fwiw & ends a list just like ; so no need for both
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• 562[04:03:50] <Na> _tremo: (And several distrations later...) Success!
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• 566[04:04:36] <Na> Welp. /whois tremon
• 567[04:04:39] <Na> ...
• 568[04:04:56] <Na> IRC is hard
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• 574[04:06:39] <ecom> Is there a way to set a specific theme for pavucontrol? My theme breaks in pavucontrol, but works for all other applications. I looked into ~/.config/pavucontrol.ini, but I didn't find documentation on setting a
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• 577[04:06:54] <ecom> theme
• 578[04:07:38] <BrutusUnix> any reason why pavucontrol will not show cards but cards come up with aplay -l?
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• 582[04:09:53] <Na> ecom: Looks like you want the GTK_THEME environment variable
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• 584[04:10:26] <Na> You should be able to do something like GTK_THEME=Raleigh pavucontrol
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• 587[04:13:11] <ecom> Na: which file do I set that in? ~/.config/pavucontrol.ini
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• 589[04:15:21] <Na> No. If you're starting pavucontrol from the commandline you'll want to run: GTK_THEME=Raleigh pavucontrol
• 590[04:15:24] <BrutusUnix> \quit
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• 592[04:15:35] <Na> (You can replace Raleigh with some other theme if you'd like
• 593[04:15:37] <Na> )
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• 595[04:16:05] <ecom> I'm not running pavucontrol using a terminal. I'm running it with dmenu, is there a way to set the theme in some file?
• 596[04:17:32] <ecom> Also, I tried running "gtk_theme=raleigh pavucontrol" and it doesn't load raleigh.
• 597[04:17:41] <Na> It's case sensitive
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• 601[04:17:56] <ecom> "Raleigh" doesn't work either
• 602[04:18:05] <ecom> Does it work for you?
• 603[04:18:11] <Na> I meant GTK_THEME
• 604[04:18:15] <ecom> oh
• 605[04:18:34] <ecom> ah ok now it works
• 606[04:18:49] <ecom> Well I guess this could work as a workaround. Thanks for the help man.
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• 609[04:19:03] <Na> As for sticking it in a file: the easiest way to do it is probably to have something on your PATH also named pavucontrol
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• 612[04:20:02] <ecom> Where are these "PATH" commands or whatever located?
• 613[04:20:24] <markybob> generally ~/.bashrc
• 614[04:20:36] <ecom> I don't have that file
• 615[04:20:44] <ecom> So just create it and do chmod?
• 616[04:20:45] <markybob> create it
• 617[04:21:16] <ecom> thanks markybob
• 618[04:21:20] <markybob> though i just got here so i don't know your real problem. but that's where PATH is usually set
• 619[04:21:20] <Na> Just to confirm, you're using dmenu_run, right?
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• 621[04:21:38] <ecom> Na how did you know I was using i3?
• 622[04:21:47] <ecom> Oh wait I said it earlier, yes
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• 645[04:51:49] <awwal> Looking where to lear about why X pkg have arguments/paths preceded by - or -- (dpkg -l --get-selections) but no luck
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• 647[04:52:42] <awwal> why 1 - for "vlock -a" and 2 -- for "vlock --all" ?
• 648[04:53:38] <markybob> that's normal. - for abreviations and -- for full
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• 650[04:56:30] <awwal> markybob, ok. checking some man's I see 1 - for abreviations (-b, -v. -h ...) and 2 -- for full word (--help, --verbose ...) . ok. thanks.
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• 654[05:00:36] <awwal> so thats unix/linux /gnu coding, bash, shell or what? why 1 - thats what I wanted to understand/have a general idea
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• 659[05:02:05] <awwal> because "xscreensaver-command -exit" 1 - and full word. but "xfce4-power-manager --exit" 2 -- and full word too
• 660[05:02:07] <markybob> awwal: i've been using for 17 years. i don't know why. it's just how it's always been
• 661[05:02:37] <markybob> sure there are exceptions to everything
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• 663[05:03:32] <awwal> markybob, ok. I just was wondering because sometimes I forget if the argument needs 1 or 2 -
• 664[05:03:44] <awwal> but ok, not really important, thanks :)
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• 678[05:14:30] <Avasz> In bond0 mode 1 (active-backup), will the second slave pass back the connection to first interface if first interface comes up again? Or will it pass to first only after second goes down? (setting up in debian jessie with dsl and a gsm modem)
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• 682[05:16:01] <buu> Avasz: I don't think it'll go back to the first interface since wouldn't it have to reconnect?
• 683[05:16:31] <Avasz> buu yes. It has to reconnect.
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• 686[05:17:53] <Avasz> Do you know of any other methods on how to solve the problem I mentioned? Can not have gsm/3g connected all the time as it is expensive. Need to use it only if primary fails. And get back to primary once primary is active again.
• 687[05:18:41] <Avasz> Working on Early Warning System for flood. So stable Internet connection os must.
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• 690[05:22:23] <markybob> Avasz: are you just trying to prevent DDoS?
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• 692[05:23:31] <Avasz> markybob : ah no. I think the work 'flood' made it sound like that. This is for actual flood from the river. We have a system that measures water level and stuffs.
• 693[05:23:34] <buu> Avasz: Can't you use an ifup script to bounce the gsm interface?
• 694[05:24:04] <buu> when 'eth0.is_up': restart gsm;
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• 696[05:24:12] <buu> Assuming failovers work properly
• 697[05:24:15] <markybob> river. jesus. get a level 3 colocation that doesn't struggle with that shit
• 698[05:24:43] <markybob> they can survive a nuclear strike. literally
• 699[05:24:54] <buu> markybob: I'm not sure a level3 colo would be a good place FOR A FLOOD WARNING SYSTEM
• 700[05:25:14] <buu> Also I'm seriously doubting this nuclear survival theory
• 701[05:25:27] <Avasz> buu - maybe, I can work with that. I will test with it.
• 702[05:25:51] <markybob> buu: level 3 have sites all around the world. linode, for example, america, singapore, london...doesn't matter what goes down
• 703[05:26:35] <Avasz> I work in Nepal, and this is for remote villages. No such advanced stuff here. :)
• 704[05:26:40] <markybob> buu: so you might want to read about what level 3 means
• 705[05:26:47] <Avasz> If there is, then I do not know of.
• 706[05:27:56] <buu> markybob: You've completely missed the point, again.
• 707[05:28:33] <Lugh> debian should has a good gtk dark theme on the oficial repositories...
• 708[05:29:01] <Lugh> not a single gtk dark-theme on the repositories... what a strange situation
• 709[05:29:07] <markybob> buu: enlighten me
• 710[05:29:41] <Lugh> debian should care more about the eyes of the users and also about energy consumption
• 711[05:29:56] <markybob> Lugh: apt-cache search dark theme gives me a few options
• 712[05:30:05] <markybob> Lugh: you can also use redshift
• 713[05:31:13] <Lugh> markybob: none of those options is about a gtk theme...
• 714[05:31:41] <Lugh> there isn't a single dark theme on debian repositories...
• 715[05:31:41] <markybob> Lugh: not true. shiki-colors for one is. there are more
• 716[05:32:09] <Lugh> ubuntu guys use Noobslab in order to get some
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• 718[05:33:15] <markybob> buu: still waiting
• 719[05:33:55] <Lugh> I will try shiki colors, but as far as I know that package does not contain any real dark theme
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• 725[05:38:33] <Lugh> Ok, I have confirmed... shike colors does not have a single dark theme
• 726[05:39:01] <Lugh> probably the author of the package does not even know what a dark theme is... disgusting...
• 727[05:39:24] <buu> Now I want to see research proving that a dark theme saves energy
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• 730[05:40:23] <Lugh> a dark theme IS NOT a complete light theme with a somehow dark applications menu
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• 732[05:40:54] <themill> Lugh: If there are things you'd like to help package, then your contributions will be appreciated.
• 733[05:41:31] <Lugh> not only a dark theme saves energy but it also protects the eyes... anyway a user should have the option to install a dark theme
• 734[05:42:09] <Lugh> debian should care more about the health of its users...
• 735[05:42:11] <themill> So all three things there are incorrect, but hey.
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• 737[05:42:46] <themill> Lugh: as I said, feel free to help. Nothing happens without volunteers doing it. Are you offering your time?
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• 739[05:44:30] <Lugh> I don't know how to make a dark theme.... but I had to learn something... the only option I had was to donwload Sable gtk dark theme from the Internet and make some adjustments...
• 740[05:45:13] <Lugh> anyway Debian should have some dark themes in its repositories... the is a serious flaw
• 741[05:45:23] <themill> enough
• 742[05:45:26] <Lugh> this is a serious flaw
• 743[05:45:32] <dvs> Lugh, dark themes don't save energy. That was proven when Google originally changed there search page to a dark colour.
• 744[05:46:05] <Lugh> dvs: not only a dark theme saves energy but it also protects the eyes... anyway a user should have the option to install a dark theme
• 745[05:46:30] <themill> Lugh: it does neither. Please move on. You're just repeating yourself and not doing anything towards improving Debian.
• 746[05:47:41] <Lugh> themill: you are repeating yourself too... debian should assume its failures...
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• 748[05:47:47] <Lugh> and this is a epic fail...
• 749[05:48:05] <markybob> Lugh: themill is an op so you might want to listen
• 750[05:48:08] <themill> Lugh: have you reported a bug? have you found something that should be packaged that isn't?
• 751[05:48:22] <themill> Lugh: have you got any documentary evidence to support your claims?
• 752[05:48:35] <themill> Lugh: IRC is not for reporting bugs btw
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• 756[05:50:32] <Lugh> debian packs dozens of bad light themes... and does not provide a single dark theme... this is plain stupid... why spending so much time reinventing ugly light themes while not providing a single dark themes??? some people on debian are not using their brains
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• 758[05:51:09] <themill> Lugh: Seriously, you've made your point and you've been told what to do next about it.
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• 761[05:52:23] <andrzej_> hi
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• 764[05:53:54] <andrzej_> new deb8 user here
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• 766[05:54:35] <andrzej_> do i need to upgrade kernel ? to a newer from 3.16
• 767[05:55:16] <themill> probably not, what makes you wonder?
• 768[05:55:21] <dvs> andrzej_, only if your having trouble
• 769[05:55:53] <markybob> dvs generally knows how to spell
• 770[05:56:01] <andrzej_> using it hust foe a few hours, have not noticed anything unusual
• 771[05:56:22] <markybob> andrzej_: so don't worry about it
• 772[05:56:28] <dvs> markybob, what your getting at? ;-)
• 773[05:56:45] <markybob> dvs: i'm jealous because i think you have a beer ;)
• 774[05:57:08] <andrzej_> now
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• 776[05:57:44] <andrzej_> is it difficult to install epson scaner in deb8 ?
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• 779[05:58:28] <Rusty1_> andrzej_: connected by usb?
• 780[05:58:35] <andrzej_> yes
• 781[05:59:16] <markybob> pciid?
• 782[05:59:23] <Rusty1_> andrzej_: in a terminal type: scanimage -L
• 783[05:59:45] <markybob> oh, usb. my bad
• 784[06:00:03] <andrzej_> i'm ona different comp now, what that wii give me ?
• 785[06:00:32] <Rusty1_> it will return the scanner if it is recognized
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• 788[06:01:03] <Rusty1_> if so you are good to go
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• 790[06:01:39] <andrzej_> and if not will third party drivers help ?
• 791[06:02:03] <awwal> Lugh, debian is a community / volunteer project: don't criticize for bcoz you want that. me too I'm into dark themes but for now you have what you have. there is a dark gtk2 theme included with gnome-themes ( I dont remember the name of the exact pkg - but its a dark version of clearlooks theme). But also you can run mate DE, it have a nice dark theme. Gtk3 is work in progress...
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• 793[06:02:56] <Rusty1_> andrzej_: take it one step at a time, no point in asking here until you have tried
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• 795[06:04:15] <andrzej_> i'm asking as afraid to screw the system, so far i like it
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• 798[06:05:10] <markybob> andrzej_: if you don't have a reason to change the kernel don't. that simple.
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• 801[06:05:50] <andrzej_> got it
• 802[06:06:01] <Rusty1_> andrzej_: replaced-url
• 803[06:06:10] <Rusty1_> might be useful
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• 807[06:12:02] <andrzej_> Epson Perfection 3170 Photo, not listed
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• 813[06:15:30] <Rusty1_> andrzej_: again, try it and see what happens , there are drivers available from epson if it does not work right away
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• 816[06:18:11] <andrzej_> thanks Rusty1, need change comp now, take care
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• 922[07:54:06] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
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• 924[07:55:16] <cousin_luigi> I read about stretch dropping i586. I have a SBC I'm not sure about, how can I test its capabilities with certainty?
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• 945[08:11:50] <cheapie> How can I tell if any files (on ext4 if it matters) are occupying a given sector on disk?
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• 947[08:13:15] <cheapie> One of my drives has some AMNF errors logged on one LBA and it's now marked as pending. I'd like to overwrite it if it won't hurt anything, and hopefully convince the drive to either reallocate it or decide it's good.
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• 959[08:25:00] <cheapie> Turns out the sector in question is the last one on the disk, containing the secondary GPT header, so never mind, I guess.
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• 961[08:26:08] <cheapie> (well, it's a 512e drive, so I guess it's a bit more than just the header, but same idea)
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• 1008[09:09:56] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Is package games-card gui card games?
• 1009[09:11:07] <Lady_Aleena> I ask here because the brief description says it is "Debian's card games".
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• 1012[09:12:29] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: it's a task/meta-package that installs packages for card games. "apt-cache show games-card" and then look at the Recommends:
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• 1015[09:13:43] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, thanks.
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• 1017[09:16:06] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
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• 1022[09:18:36] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, so will games-card install everything on the page I clicked through to replaced-url
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• 1024[09:20:07] <Lady_Aleena> I may be misunderstanding.
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• 1026[09:20:51] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: it would install the packages listed in Recommends: when you run apt-cache show. It also has packages that it suggests which would be installed if you used apt-get's --install-suggests option
• 1027[09:21:28] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: the website i linked to is just a nice interface for browsing the contents of task meta-packages
• 1028[09:22:03] <jmcnaught> (you can of course install the packages individually too)
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• 1030[09:22:51] <Lady_Aleena> I don't know what card game package to install. The last one I tried kept crashing when I tried to play.
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• 1032[09:23:27] <Lady_Aleena> And of course my crash reporting thingamabob doesn't work.
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• 1038[09:24:16] <nitero> does anyone know any way i can log or monitor my general hardware components (cpu, psu, chipsets) to see which one is failsafing and shutting off my computer?
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• 1041[09:25:01] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: when GUI programs crash, run them from a terminal so you can see the errors. Or use a stern tone of voice so the computer knows you're serious. Anyways good luck, I'm off to bed :)
• 1042[09:25:05] <Lady_Aleena> But my problems are light, looks like nitero has a bigger problem. I'm going to go rest and maybe sleep. Thank you jmcnaught for your help.
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• 1050[09:27:25] <jmcnaught> nitero: check the syslog, or enable persistent journald and check the last few messages of the previous boot with "journalctl -b -1 -n" (/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian for how to enable persistent journal)
• 1051[09:27:34] <Clemb> Is there a straightforward way to install g++-5 on jessie? I've just come from Ubuntu where (I think) I used a toolchain PPA
• 1052[09:28:56] <jmcnaught> Clemb: you could install it in a stretch or unstable chroot. It's definitely not safe to add stretch/unstable sources directly to a jessie system though.
• 1053[09:31:25] <Clemb> jmcnaught, I thought that might be the case. Thanks!
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• 1056[09:32:15] <nitero> jmcnaught: what is journald?
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• 1059[09:32:50] <jml2> jmcnaught, he's not using debian, he asked the same thing on #linux after he was quieted for rioting
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• 1061[09:33:00] <jml2> jmcnaught, so he doesn't even know debian uses systemd
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• 1064[09:34:51] <nitero> jmcnaught: would i have to install debian to do that
• 1065[09:35:47] <nitero> i suppose it would be worth it when the alternative is "swapping out for known good hardware"
• 1066[09:36:14] <nitero> can you recommend that i install debian for troubleshooting this?
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• 1072[09:39:19] <nitero> jmcnaught: please, would i be able to possibly get some insight via troubleshooting, by making a debian live disk? that i wouldn't be able to get from an ubuntu distrubution?
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• 1074[09:39:27] <nitero> i'm a noob with debian
• 1075[09:40:00] <nitero> i'm sorry if mentioning other distros is bad or whatever, but i think it falls under curiosity about debian.
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• 1083[09:44:47] <kang0> (kang0) Which tools do you use as google alternative and may be more powerful than Google?
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• 1089[09:48:39] <jml2> kang0, what?
• 1090[09:48:42] <jml2> kang0, lol
• 1091[09:49:00] <jml2> kang0, you mean your own search engine?
• 1092[09:49:04] <jml2> tehehe
• 1093[09:49:27] <jml2> kang0, there's so many "google services".. maybe if you narrow down what you want as a server solution..
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• 1095[09:50:31] <kang0> jml2 not google based search tool
• 1096[09:50:37] <kang0> Any other?
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• 1098[09:51:02] <kang0> May be its like own search engine tool
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• 1100[09:53:43] <jml2> there's cli tools to call search-url queries if thtis is what you mean
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• 1103[09:56:45] <kang0> Do you have that list? I want to go thru it jml2
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• 1109[10:00:30] <Clemb> I'm trying to build gcc-6.1.0 but during configuration I get the error "your system does not have 32-bit development libraries (libc and headers)". What packages do I need to install?
• 1110[10:01:09] <Clemb> (I tried libc6-dev but apparently I already have it)
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• 1135[10:15:50] <bhuvi__> my debian unstable system crashes when playing a video file with vlc...need help to locate source of error ?
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• 1142[10:19:02] <jml2> bhuvi__, if you start vlc from a terminal it can show errors
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• 1158[10:28:21] <HarveyPwca> If you start VLC then from the menu bar select Tools --> Preferences --> Show Settings "all" --> Advanced --> Logging. You can specify logging to take place as well as the name and location for the log file.
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• 1181[10:42:21] <freax_> i've been having some problems with debian 8 and the supplied copy of qbittorrent in the official repository
• 1182[10:42:34] <freax_> it installs qbittorrent 3.1.10-1
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• 1184[10:42:48] <freax_> what happens is, the preferences aren't saved when i exit qbittorrent
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• 1186[10:42:59] <freax_> i can uncheck the "show splash screen at startup" and it wont remember
• 1187[10:43:00] <pharpend> freax_, Is your nick a reference to the original version of Linux?
• 1188[10:43:06] <freax_> yes
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• 1190[10:43:17] <freax_> im running it under my normal user account, not under root
• 1191[10:43:43] <freax_> any tips?
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• 1194[10:44:01] <pharpend> usually, applications will save such options to ~/.config/application-name/whatever.conf
• 1195[10:44:04] <freax_> i've tried deleting the hidden qbittorrent config folder in my users home folder
• 1196[10:44:10] <freax_> and reinstalling qbittorrent 3 times now
• 1197[10:44:17] <freax_> still no effect
• 1198[10:44:30] <freax_> i suppose i should move onto chmodding the whole directory as 0755?
• 1199[10:44:32] <pharpend> You should try finding the value in the configuration file, modifying it by hand, and seeing if there's any observeable change
• 1200[10:44:37] <freax_> roger
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• 1202[10:44:47] <pharpend> observable
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• 1204[10:45:00] <pharpend> WeeChat's spellcheck is failing me
• 1205[10:45:14] <pharpend> freax_, or just use Deluge
• 1206[10:45:37] <pharpend> freax_, Are you on KDE?
• 1207[10:45:42] <freax_> in the hidden folder /home/freax/.local/share/data/qBittorrent/ there is only one directory and that is called BT_backup
• 1208[10:45:56] <freax_> no LXDE
• 1209[10:46:03] <freax_> there are no files in there
• 1210[10:46:09] <freax_> despite running the program
• 1211[10:46:13] <pharpend> .local/share is going to be for things like... actually I have no idea what would be there
• 1212[10:46:16] <freax_> i suppose it cannot write to that folder?
• 1213[10:46:20] <pharpend> try .config/qBittorrent
• 1214[10:46:22] <freax_> k
• 1215[10:46:44] <freax_> there we go, theres the .conf file
• 1216[10:46:47] <freax_> ok editing it
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• 1221[10:47:34] <freax_> it has a suprisingly small number of settable options
• 1222[10:47:46] <freax_> i changed "accepted eula" back to false
• 1223[10:47:59] <freax_> that is really the only option available in there... wheres everything else?
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• 1225[10:48:12] <pharpend> freax_, you can think of ~/.config as the homedir equivalent of /etc, and ~/.local as the homedir equivalent of /usr
• 1226[10:48:24] <pharpend> freax_, so a configuration file is much more likely to be in /etc rather than in /usr/share/whatever
• 1227[10:48:33] <freax_> ok thats weird
• 1228[10:48:38] <freax_> it was set to true
• 1229[10:48:46] <pharpend> freax_, It probably infers most of the values
• 1230[10:48:49] <pharpend> freax_, or has defaults
• 1231[10:49:01] <freax_> so it was able to write to /home/freax/.config/qBittorrent/qBittorrent.conf the first time after installation
• 1232[10:49:13] <freax_> but now. after running qbittorrent again and accepting the eula, it wont remember it now
• 1233[10:49:20] <freax_> it wont remember the setting after editing it as root
• 1234[10:49:39] <pharpend> okay... wait you edited ~/.config as root?
• 1235[10:49:45] <pharpend> i'm confused
• 1236[10:49:45] <freax_> yeah
• 1237[10:49:51] <freax_> i'll edit it as freax
• 1238[10:49:52] <pharpend> why are you running anything as root in this case?
• 1239[10:50:01] <pharpend> except maybe apt-get
• 1240[10:50:16] <freax_> cause i just installed qbittorrent as root
• 1241[10:50:42] <pharpend> I'm not familiar with qBittorrent, it sounds like a proprietary BitTorrent client?
• 1242[10:50:52] <freax_> it should be FOSS
• 1243[10:51:02] <pharpend> do you have the non-free repo enabled?
• 1244[10:51:23] <freax_> no
• 1245[10:51:36] <pharpend> Some software uses "eula" to refer to any license, including innocuous licenses like MIT/BSD/ISC et al
• 1246[10:52:10] <pharpend> It usually refers to proprietary licenses that require the end-user to agree to the terms
• 1247[10:52:38] <pharpend> Okay, now that we have that cleared up
• 1248[10:52:45] <pharpend> hm
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• 1250[10:52:59] <freax_> it appears that qbittorrent isnt making the config files that it needs
• 1251[10:53:08] <pharpend> yeah...
• 1252[10:53:09] <pharpend> hm
• 1253[10:53:13] <pharpend> actually
• 1254[10:53:16] <freax_> it only makes one and thats called /home/freax/.config/qBittorrent/qBittorrent.conf
• 1255[10:53:16] <pharpend> run qBittorrent
• 1256[10:53:19] <freax_> k
• 1257[10:53:30] <pharpend> try 'ps ax | \grep -i qbit'
• 1258[10:53:44] <pharpend> (backslash is intentional, leave out the quotes)
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• 1260[10:54:19] <freax_> root@DESKTOP:/etc/apt# ps ax | \grep -i qbit 3329 ? Sl 0:03 qbittorrent
• 1261[10:54:26] <freax_> 3329
• 1262[10:54:28] <pharpend> why are you running any of this as root!
• 1263[10:54:28] <freax_> ?
• 1264[10:54:30] <pharpend> no
• 1265[10:54:33] <pharpend> bad
• 1266[10:54:35] * pharpend stabs freax_
• 1267[10:54:36] <freax_> sorry
• 1268[10:54:37] <freax_> :P
• 1269[10:54:46] <freax_> i'll re run it again
• 1270[10:55:02] <freax_> exactly the same result
• 1271[10:55:06] <pharpend> okay
• 1272[10:55:20] <freax_> freax@DESKTOP:/etc/apt$ ps ax | \grep -i qbit 3329 ? Sl 0:03 qbittorrent 3381 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep -i qbit
• 1273[10:55:21] <pharpend> I want to try killing the process with different signals, to see if any of them produce the correct result
• 1274[10:55:23] <freax_> freax@DESKTOP:/etc/apt$
• 1275[10:55:32] <freax_> ok
• 1276[10:55:34] <freax_> go ahead
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• 1280[10:56:00] <pharpend> try 'kill -KILL 3329'
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• 1282[10:56:21] <freax_> GUI program exited
• 1283[10:56:24] <pharpend> This is the standard SIGKILL, which allows the application to write to its loved ones before it dies
• 1284[10:56:26] <freax_> no errors shown in console
• 1285[10:56:30] <pharpend> okay
• 1286[10:56:47] <pharpend> SIGTERM just murders the process without letting it say goodbye to its family
• 1287[10:57:08] <freax_> you watch too much dexter
• 1288[10:57:11] <freax_> just fyi
• 1289[10:57:17] * pharpend hasn't programmed with these signals in a long time, so these may or may not be correct
• 1290[10:58:02] <pharpend> Try running again, finding the process with 'ps ...', then killing it with -TERM
• 1291[10:58:07] <freax_> roger
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• 1295[10:58:55] <freax_> gui app exited
• 1296[10:58:57] <freax_> going to re run
• 1297[10:59:08] <jelly> pharpend: you got that exactly the wrong way, KILL can't be escaped but TERM can be handled
• 1298[10:59:24] <freax_> still didnt save the preferences
• 1299[10:59:32] <freax_> and no errors in console
• 1300[10:59:39] <freax_> brb gonna check the #qbittorrent channel
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• 1303[10:59:44] <pharpend> jelly, thank you. Could you fix my idiocy
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• 1305[10:59:52] <freax_> ok they havent replied
• 1306[10:59:58] <freax_> so your guys are my only home
• 1307[11:00:02] <freax_> -r
• 1308[11:00:08] <freax_> m = p
• 1309[11:00:23] <jelly> it's Sunday, be very very patient
• 1310[11:01:24] <pharpend> It's also sunday at 3 in the morning
• 1311[11:01:29] <pharpend> in murrica
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• 1383[11:45:16] <freax_> is there a way to install a specific version of qbittorrent via apt-get ?
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• 1387[11:46:21] <Maxxter> Maybe
• 1388[11:46:24] <Maxxter> Which Version?
• 1389[11:46:38] <freax_> i want to try 3.1.9.2
• 1390[11:46:56] <Maxxter> Moment Let me see
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• 1392[11:47:24] <freax_> deb8 installs 3.1.10, my proble might be fixed by going to a previous version
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• 1398[11:49:52] <Maxxter> Freak PM
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• 1403[11:51:48] <freax_> i might compile it from source
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• 1408[11:52:38] <freax_> i tried adding the ubuntu repo earlier, it didnt work
• 1409[11:52:52] <freax_> i probably done it wrong
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• 1418[11:59:17] <jelly> freax_: it's not a good idea to mix repositories from different distros.
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• 1421[12:00:04] <jelly> freax_: you can try to search for debian's builds of older versions on snapshot.debian.org
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• 1434[12:03:47] <freax> ty jelly
• 1435[12:03:54] <freax> gonna try a compile from source first
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• 1530[12:47:06] <r0ck_> hello ppl
• 1531[12:47:18] <r0ck_> I accidentally installed flrx driver on my pc
• 1532[12:47:22] <r0ck_> when I have intel running here
• 1533[12:47:32] <r0ck_> and my x crashed and doesnt launch anymore
• 1534[12:47:37] <r0ck_> I am running jessie with gnome3
• 1535[12:47:54] <r0ck_> maybe y ou know how can I do workaround and restore normal running state?
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• 1643[13:46:34] <kc1dmf> Hey everyone. Is anyone else running 2fa with ssh and webmin access?
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• 1647[13:49:43] <zeto28> (under jessie) running "dpkg-query -W -f '${Source}\n' libtasn1-6" yields nothing, but in aptitude I can clearly see that the source package name for libtasn1-6 is libtasn1-6. why does dpkg-query not print it? TIA.
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• 1657[13:52:11] <snfgf> I have a long list of locales in i18n/locales/, but only a handful are displayed by `locale -a`; how come?
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• 1659[13:54:13] <snfgf> locale-gen, got it.
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• 1663[13:58:47] <kc1dmf> zeto28: It came up for me.
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• 1665[13:59:11] <kc1dmf> try [dpkg-query -l 'libtasn*']
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• 1668[13:59:46] <kc1dmf> [dpkg-query -l 'libtasn1-6'] rather
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• 1676[14:01:29] <zeto28> sorry I left that out: I'm writing a script that needs to fetch the source package name for a given .deb, so I have to use "dpkq-query -f '${Source}'". I tried what you suggested, but it still yields nothing.
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• 1680[14:04:11] <kc1dmf> Fair enough. Well, if it's still not pulling up, it sounds like the issue may be outside of your code.
• 1681[14:04:40] <kc1dmf> I'm not great with dpkg, but I feel like there's probably a cache you have to update or some such.
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• 1687[14:07:15] <zeto28> I just reinstalled libtasn1-6, but still get nothing
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• 1691[14:10:04] <kc1dmf> I see. Dump the exact command you're using?
• 1692[14:10:49] <zeto28> dpkg-query -f '${Source}\n' -W libtasn1-6
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• 1698[14:14:18] <kc1dmf> What it looks like, based off of the man page, is that the [-f] switch doesn't guarantee that the package you're querying will have the specified field
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• 1700[14:14:48] <kc1dmf> Try running [dpkg-query -f '${Version}\n' -W libtasn1-6]
• 1701[14:15:19] <kc1dmf> (My output: [4.2-3+deb8u2])
• 1702[14:15:50] <zeto28> i get "4.2-3+deb8u2" as well
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• 1705[14:16:36] <kc1dmf> Yeah, so, that makes sense. Like I said, it doesn't look like the dpkg entry is going to have the info you want.
• 1706[14:16:51] <zeto28> that still leaves me with the problem of how to inquire which source package any given package is built from. dpkg-query does not yield the source package for "libcommons-digester-java", but aptitude still shows it.
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• 1711[14:17:57] <zeto28> aptitude, however, does not offer a format string character to print it which is just fantastic.
• 1712[14:18:44] <kc1dmf> Well, aptitude probably wouldn't. It's more of a front end. You'll want to step back into the underlying system, {apt}.
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• 1717[14:21:52] <kc1dmf> Try [apt show libtasn1-6], or even [apt -a show libtasn1-6]
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• 1720[14:22:09] <kc1dmf> If those fail, try [apt search libtasn1-6]
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• 1722[14:22:34] <kc1dmf> See if the info you need is in there. What exactly are you trying to extract?
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• 1725[14:23:51] <zeto28> kc1dmf: I want the name of the source package a package is built from
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• 1732[14:25:50] <kc1dmf> Ohkay. Most of those packages probably won't have been compiled and installed from source, they'll have been downloaded as {.deb}'s (I think.. don't quote me.)
• 1733[14:25:55] <markybob> replaced-url
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• 1737[14:26:47] <kc1dmf> Well there you go. Thanks, markybob
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• 1743[14:28:27] <zeto28> markybob: thanks
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• 1749[14:33:01] <Sander^home> How can I set up a webserver for each homedirectory?
• 1750[14:33:18] <Sander^home> Sorry, an own domain for each homedirectory.
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• 1753[14:33:29] <Sander^home> with wildcard domain.
• 1754[14:33:37] <Sander^home> username.mydomain.com
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• 1759[14:35:45] <Sander^home> Rephrase: How can I configure nginx or apache or any other webserver to make the username in front of the domain (username.mydomain.com) point to the correct subdirectory for that particular user.
• 1760[14:36:17] <Sander^home> So that I get username1.mydomain.com pointing to /var/replaced-url
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• 1762[14:36:37] <Sander^home> and username2.mydomain.com pointing to /var/replaced-url
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• 1770[14:39:54] <zeto28> Sander^home: if the number of user names and home directories is known and static you can set up virtual hosts in apache: replaced-url
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• 1772[14:41:03] <Sander^home> zeto28: I was thinking about an rule which allowes unlimited number of usernames.
• 1773[14:41:49] <zeto28> Sander^home: replaced-url
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• 1803[15:01:33] <rnd_> anyone has a cllue how to set back the default gnome fonts
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• 1805[15:01:45] <rnd_> something changed my font on my desktop machine
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• 1808[15:02:37] <markybob> rnd_: sudo nano /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/gnome-shell.css
• 1809[15:02:48] <markybob> this is the default: font-family: cantarell, sans-serif;
• 1810[15:03:06] <rnd_> seeeeec
• 1811[15:03:09] <markybob> rnd_: you can also use gnome-tweak-tool
• 1812[15:03:23] <rnd_> i prefer the command line o be honest
• 1813[15:03:24] <rnd_> to*
• 1814[15:03:49] <markybob> so why the fuck do you use gnome? :P
• 1815[15:03:57] <rnd_> good point
• 1816[15:03:58] <rnd_> indeed
• 1817[15:04:09] <rnd_> i have no answer to that
• 1818[15:04:24] <rnd_> so, this is the thing
• 1819[15:04:31] <rnd_> the font is cantarell and sans serif
• 1820[15:04:49] <rnd_> but those just arent those ... my font is slimmer than usual
• 1821[15:04:53] <rnd_> i dunno what happened
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• 1823[15:05:51] <Delf> rnd_: What're the values for antialiasing and hinting?
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• 1825[15:06:36] <rnd_> sec
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• 1827[15:07:18] <Delf> I do not like any of those fonts. I use replaced-url
• 1828[15:07:31] <rnd_> i actually cannot find those values
• 1829[15:07:34] <rnd_> im trying with grep
• 1830[15:07:43] <Delf> use gnome-tweak-tool
• 1831[15:08:12] <rnd_> downloadin....
• 1832[15:08:22] <rnd_> this is a nice font
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• 1835[15:09:53] <rnd_> Medium and Grayscale
• 1836[15:09:59] <rnd_> Scaling factor 1
• 1837[15:09:59] <Delf> You can get the values with dconf dump /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/xsettings/
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• 1839[15:10:35] <Delf> I see. For the Play font I use same as you except for hinting='slight'
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• 1846[15:15:07] <cirdan> question about the 4.4 kernel in backports... is it gone for good?
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• 1848[15:15:22] <cirdan> Seems odd that the LTS kernel is marked as obsolete
• 1849[15:15:49] <dvs> ,kernels
• 1850[15:15:50] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc5-686 (4.6~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.2-1); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
• 1851[15:15:51] <markybob> yes. it now has 4.5
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• 1853[15:16:06] <markybob> jessie-backports has nothing to do with lts
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• 1858[15:17:34] <cirdan> I just thought debian would keep the stable kernel as well as the testing versions. Just checking that I was wrong
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• 1860[15:17:59] <dvs> cirdan, there's no guarentees in backports
• 1861[15:18:09] <markybob> it does keep the stable kernel. 3.16. unless you remove it.
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• 1865[15:18:32] <dvs> markybob, I think he means the stable kernel version (from Linus)
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• 1867[15:18:54] <markybob> well then he's silly :P
• 1868[15:19:11] <cirdan> :-p
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• 1935[15:51:14] <asadasar> hello
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• 1938[15:53:06] <asadasar> i hace accidentally downgraded libc6 and made apt-get unusable but i can og in to a shell and use dpkg
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• 1940[15:53:46] <asadasar> how reinstall libc6 and get the system running again
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• 1943[15:55:09] <dionysus69> is stretch a name for a development release or is it also a name that will be used for debian 9?
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• 1946[15:55:30] <markybob> dionysus69: it's both.
• 1947[15:56:03] <dionysus69> ok ok thanks, is there approximate release date and will it be possible to upgrade from jessie ?
• 1948[15:56:05] <asadasar> prints out the folllowing eror message when i try to use apt-get /lib/x86_64_linux-gnu/libc.so.6 version GLIBC2.18 missing
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• 1950[15:56:11] <markybob> asadasar: 1) it's not possible to "accidentally" downgrade libc6. reinstall debian and don't do it again
• 1951[15:56:35] <markybob> dionysus69: spring 2017
• 1952[15:56:40] <markybob> dionysus69: and yes
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• 1958[15:57:41] <asadasar> so there is no other way to fix this everything is working fine...
• 1959[15:57:56] <markybob> asadasar: libc6 is probably the main thing you can't fuck with
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• 1966[16:00:07] <asadasar> i was trying to install simple screen recorder from a deb pack and ended messing things up
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• 1968[16:00:40] <markybob> !tell asadasar about dontbreakdebian
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• 1974[16:02:15] <TandyUK> ok any ideas why my debian san, and esxi host have wildly different performance depending who is sending th data...
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• 1976[16:02:24] <TandyUK> network map: replaced-url
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• 1978[16:02:38] <TandyUK> from my test VM, i can write to the san at ~211MB/sec
• 1979[16:02:47] <TandyUK> but i can only read from it at ~113MB/sec
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• 1982[16:03:09] <TandyUK> if those figures were reversed, I would understand, but the san is a 4 disk raid 10 array
• 1983[16:03:11] <zzM0rph3us> What type of SAN is it ?
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• 1985[16:03:25] <TandyUK> reading _should_ be faster than writing, and when testing from the san, it is
• 1986[16:03:41] <TandyUK> its a debian box, with a hp p410 controller
• 1987[16:04:05] <TandyUK> doing a read test on the san, im seeing 260-275MB/sec read
• 1988[16:04:17] <zzM0rph3us> have you check bottle neck on your fabric ?
• 1989[16:04:20] <TandyUK> from the esxi datastore lv
• 1990[16:04:29] <TandyUK> i just postd the map
• 1991[16:04:40] <TandyUK> show me where the bottleneck is, and why its only one direction
• 1992[16:05:08] <zzM0rph3us> do you have an acces congestion ?
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• 1994[16:05:17] <TandyUK> what do you mean?
• 1995[16:05:25] <TandyUK> these are the only hosts connected/active atm
• 1996[16:05:35] <TandyUK> so 100% of the bandwidth should be available to them
• 1997[16:05:36] <zzM0rph3us> could you see your bandwith on your fabric ?
• 1998[16:05:55] <TandyUK> sorry i dont understand what you mean
• 1999[16:06:03] <TandyUK> what fbric/
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• 2001[16:06:12] <zzM0rph3us> your san switch if you prefer
• 2002[16:06:24] <TandyUK> no cant see live stats
• 2003[16:06:38] <TandyUK> its an hp 1920-24g
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• 2005[16:07:05] <asadasar> anyone know if there is a fix for libc6 downgrade and making apt-get unusable?
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• 2007[16:07:10] <zzM0rph3us> do you have wait ?
• 2008[16:07:14] <zzM0rph3us> on your system
• 2009[16:07:29] <zzM0rph3us> with sysstat per example ?
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• 2011[16:07:48] <TandyUK> on which system, the debian san, or the guest vm?
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• 2014[16:08:00] <asadasar> i have libc6 from stretch instead of jesie
• 2015[16:08:01] <zzM0rph3us> on your VM
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• 2017[16:08:25] <TandyUK> its hitting 60% iowait
• 2018[16:08:32] <markybob> asadasar: that's an upgrade not a downgrade. so which is it?
• 2019[16:08:40] <TandyUK> while reading 2 6gb files to /dev/null
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• 2021[16:09:02] <zzM0rph3us> vmstat can help you
• 2022[16:09:11] <TandyUK> but the very same system can write to the san at double the speed
• 2023[16:09:15] <TandyUK> i just dont get it
• 2024[16:09:19] <asadasar> downgrade sorry from whezzy
• 2025[16:09:37] <markybob> asadasar: yeah you're making no sense and no one can help you. reinstall.
• 2026[16:09:40] <zzM0rph3us> You can on Debian download the AIX resseource advisor
• 2027[16:09:42] <zzM0rph3us> NMON
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• 2032[16:10:33] <zzM0rph3us> you can lunch it with just nmon command on shell
• 2033[16:10:44] <Maxxter1> Somebody ever used JonDonym. I found it somewhere but You know what they say
• 2034[16:10:52] <zzM0rph3us> after you type d c
• 2035[16:10:58] <zzM0rph3us> for disk and cpu stat
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• 2037[16:11:18] <zzM0rph3us> you can check the fiber response with ^ option
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• 2039[16:11:46] <TandyUK> this is copper btw dude
• 2040[16:11:54] <TandyUK> and my vm isnt on the net so only have basic tools
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• 2042[16:12:28] <asadasar> i have broken packages which are libc6 AMD64, libc6:i386, an locales i cannot boot, cannot use apt-get and aptitude i can use dpkg is there way to fix the broken packages some way
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• 2048[16:13:56] <TandyUK> fyi ops
• 2049[16:13:57] <TandyUK> [15:09] <cys87> replaced-url
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• 2059[16:15:51] <shaun413> Wtf lol
• 2060[16:16:06] <TandyUK> that was my thoughts lol
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• 2063[16:16:32] <jml2> wtf
• 2064[16:16:36] <jml2> you guys are crazy!
• 2065[16:16:41] <jml2> !dpkg wtf! lol
• 2066[16:16:48] <dvs> !ops cys87 is spamming on join
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• 2089[16:27:46] <stevenroose> for some reason ufw is not enabled on startup even though I enabled it (also in /etc/ufw/ufw.conf) and I did update-rc.d ufw defaults
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• 2092[16:29:11] <stevenroose> I have been messing with a startup script recently, could it possible have caused problems with running other services that should start on startup?
• 2093[16:29:33] <stevenroose> it seems that after "service ufw start" the "ufw status" command still says inactive while "service ufw status" says it is running
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• 2100[16:32:56] <stevenroose> hmm seemed like I had another firewall installed, nvm
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• 2123[16:51:00] <steffen_> hello guys
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• 2125[16:51:14] <steffen_> ive some trouble with debian and UTF-8 support
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• 2129[16:52:07] <steffen_> i want to display umlauts and all other UTF-8 characters (well the common ones - like the euro sign etc), but bash isnt showing them correctly, but in weirdo blocks
• 2130[16:52:32] <steffen_> if i type for example an ä and press enter i get: -bash: $'\344': command not found
• 2131[16:52:55] <steffen_> which seems to be the corresponding escape sequence
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• 2133[16:53:12] <steffen_> same happens in nano for example, but it displays another sign
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• 2136[16:54:04] <steffen_> ive already set LANG, LANGUAGE and LC_ALL to en_US.UTF-8 and put it in ~/.bash.rc
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• 2139[16:54:17] <jml2> better in /etc/ bash settings
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• 2141[16:54:29] <jml2> dpkg-reconfigure locales
• 2142[16:54:32] <jml2> ^
• 2143[16:54:32] <lmw> Is Debian supported in a Hyper-V cloud server?
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• 2145[16:54:48] <steffen_> jml2: i did that and it didnt solve anything
• 2146[16:55:02] <jml2> steffen_, then you're not using debian
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• 2148[16:55:15] <jml2> steffen_, unless yuou're using "sid"/unstable XD
• 2149[16:55:22] <jml2> that should always be working
• 2150[16:55:33] <steffen_> im using stretch, which is testing as far as i recall
• 2151[16:55:44] <jml2> so there's a bug..
• 2152[16:55:56] <jml2> if you're languages are not installed, then LANG= has no effect
• 2153[16:56:13] <steffen_> !paste
• 2154[16:56:13] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 2156[16:56:20] <jml2> those are actually file references which is set in LANG=
• 2157[16:56:43] <steffen_> ii locales 2.22-7 all GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support]
• 2158[16:56:48] <steffen_> locales are installed
• 2159[16:57:00] <steffen_> it generates the locales properly regarding the output i get
• 2160[16:57:15] <dvs> steffen_, but which locale is the default?
• 2161[16:57:24] <steffen_> replaced-url
• 2162[16:57:42] <steffen_> this is what i get for locale, i set en_US.UTF-8 as default via dpkg-reconfigure locale
• 2163[16:57:45] <jml2> steffen_, package locales doesnot contain the language things
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• 2166[16:58:01] <steffen_> jml2: i see, which one to look for?
• 2167[16:58:08] <jml2> steffen_, i mean check
• 2168[16:58:29] <steffen_> jml2: check what?
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• 2174[16:59:32] <steffen_> dvs: replaced-url
• 2175[16:59:58] <jml2> steffen_, did you relogin?
• 2176[17:00:05] <steffen_> yes of course
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• 2178[17:00:28] <steffen_> i even tried restarting the server (even though i know it wont help in 99,9875% of linux issues)
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• 2183[17:04:22] <jml2> steffen_, think it uses libx11-data ?
• 2184[17:04:32] <jml2> steffen_, maybe try installing that, and do -> dpkg-reconfigure locales
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• 2186[17:05:22] <steffen_> jml2: ii libx11-data 2:1.6.3-1 all X11 client-side library
• 2187[17:05:27] <steffen_> i can try to re-install it
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• 2189[17:06:29] <steffen_> jml2: still the same issue :/
• 2190[17:06:56] <jml2> im not sure if locales uses that, i suppose it probably does -- you can check , dpkg -L libx11-data|grep en_US
• 2191[17:07:23] <steffen_> it references /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8 and some more
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• 2194[17:08:29] <jml2> steffen_, maybe the dpkg-reconfigure script for locales is broken
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• 2196[17:09:16] <jml2> steffen_, check its bug reports
• 2197[17:09:31] <steffen_> well what is it supposed to do actually? regenerate some other things, besides writing the default locale to /etc/default/locale?
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• 2200[17:09:46] <steffen_> jml2: where can i see the bug reports? (i honestly dont know it)
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• 2203[17:10:38] <TandyUK> May 08 16:09:26 san tgtd[11383]: tgtd: tgt_device_create(539) failed to find bstype, aio
• 2204[17:10:38] <jml2> steffen_, bugs.debian.org
• 2205[17:10:43] <jelly> steffen_: first, ask in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net; this channel caters primarily to current release (and older)
• 2206[17:10:52] <TandyUK> libaio1 is installed, so any idea why tgtd isnt finding it?
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• 2210[17:12:45] <jelly> steffen_: second, make sure you're using a UTF-8 capable terminal emulator and that the chosen locale actually exists on the system
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• 2212[17:13:19] <jelly> the latter is what "dpkg-reconfigure locales" is for
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• 2218[17:13:52] <jelly> ,v locales
• 2219[17:13:53] <judd> Package: locales on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u11; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u9; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u4; sid: 2.22-6; stretch: 2.22-7; sid: 2.22-7; experimental: 2.23-0experimental2
• 2220[17:14:11] <lmw> Is Debian supported in a Hyper-V cloud server?
• 2221[17:14:25] <jml2> lmw, hyper-v is #microsoft
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• 2223[17:14:32] <jelly> lmw: supported by whom? It works, if that's what you're asking
• 2224[17:14:42] <lmw> Yeah, but I'm asking about the hv_ drivers of debian
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• 2226[17:14:46] <lmw> Are these included?
• 2227[17:14:50] <jelly> lmw: they're present in jessie, yes
• 2228[17:14:58] <jelly> (debian 8)
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• 2230[17:15:04] <lmw> Okay, thank you :)
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• 2232[17:15:53] <jml2> lmw, there are hv_ modules in the kernel packag if this is what you mean
• 2233[17:16:02] <jelly> lmw: you get optimized network and storage drivers and that stuff that talks to the host. I haven't actually tried a cloud host but stuff works just fine on 2008R2 hosts.
• 2234[17:16:06] <jml2> lmw, though i dont think most people here use it-- most people use vbox
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• 2237[17:16:46] <jelly> will try azure soon
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• 2240[17:17:35] <lmw> jml2: Yeah, but VBox were never designed for 24/7 virtual servers
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• 2242[17:17:46] <jelly> jml2: vbox is workstation-level software, and rather buggy at that
• 2243[17:17:55] <TandyUK> hmm yeah this is a major bug pointing at when tgtd was compiled for packaging
• 2244[17:18:13] <TandyUK> whoever compiled tgtd didnt have libaio1 / libaio-dev installed when they compiled it
• 2245[17:18:13] <lmw> VBos is also a Type-2 hypervisor
• 2246[17:18:17] <lmw> *VBox
• 2247[17:18:34] <TandyUK> same problem exists for the sg type backends
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• 2294[17:46:15] <rudi_s> Hi. I want to use secureboot with my custom keys. Is there a minimal bootloader which lets me easily verify my kernel images and initrds?
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• 2306[17:52:43] <boodie> Hi (stable): my sound died off. I left the desktop for 30 minutes while doing other things, after having watched a video with 'dragon player'. Came back - no sound whatsoever. I have a Windows XP dual boot, everything works ... what could have happened?
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• 2319[18:05:06] <boodie> Hi (stable): my sound died off. I left the desktop for 30 minutes while doing other things, after having watched a video with 'dragon player'. Came back - no sound whatsoever. I have a Windows XP dual boot, everything works ... what could have happened?
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• 2324[18:08:27] <boodie> According to ALSA the sound seems directed to a "USB Device 0x46d:0x9a4", which I don't have ... I always used the internal card ...
• 2325[18:08:37] <TH3-G0D5> I keep loosing control of my local shell. The screen just stops responding to the keyboards. When I CTL+ALT+F2 , I can log in again but I can't regain controll of the first session
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• 2327[18:09:21] <TH3-G0D5> I've never seen this kind of behaviour before, has anyone here?
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• 2341[18:15:43] <boodie> lspci | grep audio = no response
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• 2369[18:29:24] <boodie> Hi (stable): my sound died off. I left the desktop for 30 minutes while doing other things, after having watched a video with 'dragon player'. Came back - no sound whatsoever. I have a Windows XP dual boot, everything works ... what could have happened? According to ALSA the sound seems directed to a "USB Device 0x46d:0x9a4", which I don't have ... I always used the internal card ... lspci | grep audio = nothing
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• 2388[18:34:54] <Kapisketo> I'm having troubles with a eSATA and a PortMultiplier that if they are plugged on start get the system in a infinite error loop but if I plug them with the system working everything goes fine. What logfiles and what commands (I only now about lspci) should I use to give complete information in a forum post to let people know about my system to know what could be the fail?
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• 2416[18:51:21] <Mixxit> guys i broke my server it wont start
• 2417[18:51:26] <Mixxit> keeps going to welcome to emergency mode
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• 2419[18:52:13] <Mixxit> never mind crisis averted
• 2420[18:52:17] <Mixxit> it was my ftp mount
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• 2457[19:09:16] <qis> I'm struggling to find the debian sid netinst iso. Where can I get it?
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• 2460[19:10:47] <jelly> qis: there is none
• 2461[19:11:09] <qis> This explains a lot.
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• 2463[19:11:45] <qis> But how can I install sid in a VM then?
• 2464[19:12:01] <qis> I need gcc 6.1
• 2465[19:12:02] <jelly> sid is for developers and people who want to help debian developers. They usually know to install stable first, upgrade to testing then sid
• 2466[19:12:40] <jelly> ,v gcc-6
• 2467[19:12:41] <judd> Package: gcc-6 on amd64 -- sid: 6.1.1-1
• 2468[19:13:07] <qis> Hmm, what would you suggest for an application developer? Installing sid or compiling gcc manually on debian 8?
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• 2470[19:13:37] <jelly> qis: install a minimal stable, upgrade to sid, then set up your build environment
• 2471[19:13:53] <jelly> !sid faq
• 2472[19:13:53] <dpkg> replaced-url
• 2473[19:13:59] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2474[19:13:59] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2475[19:14:24] <qis> jelly: Thanks.
• 2476[19:14:26] <jelly> I didn't want to !install sid because it's needlessly rude
• 2477[19:14:52] <jelly> if you're really curious, you can /msg dpkg install sid
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• 2479[19:15:52] <qis> Heh, thanks but I am already familiar with this problem from FreeBSD-current.
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• 2482[19:16:05] <qis> As long as you make snapshots before updating, it's OK.
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• 2485[19:17:59] <qis> Still, I need the u8 string literals from gcc6 to build my MSVC code.
• 2486[19:19:00] <zinx> o_O
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• 2492[19:21:25] <qis> jelly: We only develop on windows and deploy on linux. Switching to GCC since it finally caught up with MSVC and clang and it has <experimental/filesystem> which libc++ still lacks.
• 2493[19:21:53] <qis> jelly: When no GUI is involved, there is no difference between windows and linux. C++ is C++.
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• 2537[19:40:41] <asterismo> hi
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• 2546[19:43:17] <asterismo> i'm having a hard time to make the BCM57785 ork
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• 2548[19:43:35] <asterismo> it works, but i'm getting very wierd behavior
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• 2557[19:48:18] <asterismo> i have linux-firmware-nonfree installed but tg3 driver seems not activated
• 2558[19:48:24] <asterismo> any ideas?
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• 2565[19:50:33] <vegardx> Might have something to do with it not being included?
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• 2569[19:51:07] <Maxxter> to bad im not a linux pro...
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• 2577[19:56:34] <asterismo> anyways, the wifi seems to work, but it disconnects, it cannot connect to some wifi networks... i dunno what driver its using then
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• 2586[20:02:50] <s4ndm4n> I have this weird question. Is something like this: replaced-url
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• 2589[20:04:43] <s4ndm4n> I have tried doing something like that. Parted disks and everything but failed to install grub
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• 2608[20:14:31] <frostschutz> s4ndm4n, this is a badly documented grub2 feature but it should work. are you using uefi/secureboot? kinda pointless without it
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• 2610[20:14:53] <gnugr> s4ndm4n: in debian installer if you choose manually for partitions you have option "physical volume for encryption"
• 2611[20:15:17] <s4ndm4n> gnugr: I know. But it keeps /boot separate AFAIK
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• 2617[20:16:08] <s4ndm4n> For sake of testing it out, I wanted to encrypt /boot also.
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• 2620[20:16:25] <s4ndm4n> frostschutz: Yes I am using UEFI but not secureboot.
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• 2622[20:17:45] <somiaj> to encrypt boot you need to have grub be able to read encrypted partitions, it is possible but I don't think easily configurable in jessie
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• 2624[20:18:49] <Guest34847> #debian-offtopic
• 2625[20:19:14] <s4ndm4n> GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y does that IIRC somiaj
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• 2631[20:21:55] <filipsohajek> Hello, today i've done a update && dist-upgrade && autoremove && clean combo after a long time and the GTK3 applications are broken now. The widgets have no borders, some colors and text don't even appear. Any ideas? Thank you GTK: 3.20.3-2 DM: Xfce4 (4.12.3) WM: Xfwm (4.12.3) GTK Theme: Numix
• 2632[20:22:56] <s4ndm4n> filipsohajek: Use Adwaita
• 2633[20:22:56] <somiaj> s4ndm4n: ahh that is all that was needed, wasn't unsure if you had to do anything else.
• 2634[20:23:08] <frostschutz> s4ndm4n, if you don't have anything that protects your bootloader, it can be tampered with the same way you can tamper with unencrypted /boot. it's a lot of complexity for nothing.
• 2635[20:23:09] <jelly> filipsohajek: which debian release is this?
• 2636[20:23:42] <filipsohajek> unstable
• 2637[20:23:55] <s4ndm4n> somiaj: I think I need some hooks when generating initramfs too
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• 2639[20:24:57] <s4ndm4n> frostschutz: You are suggesting to use Secureboot?
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• 2648[20:31:34] <somiaj> s4ndm4n: I woudln't think so, the initramfs should have all the stuff built to see the root fs encryption, so the only really issue is allow grub to see the kernel and the initramfs
• 2649[20:31:48] <libertine> seeking help with sound issues, base jessie install. I have googled and tried all the things and I am at wits end.
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• 2651[20:32:01] <somiaj> s4ndm4n: I know grub2 has this capability, just don't know how mature it is in jessie
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• 2653[20:32:16] <somiaj> libertine: are you using a desktop, do you know if you are using pulseaudio or not?
• 2654[20:32:50] <libertine> I'm using fluxbox window manager, and I am currently using pulseaudio. It was working, then my laptop went to sleep and now it's not. Sometimes it starts working again randomly.
• 2655[20:32:54] <frostschutz> s4ndm4n, or unencrypted /boot, it's not an issue for most people who don't have creepy tech-savvy bros. I use /boot on USB stick with encrypted keyfiles and a bunch of livecds... ;)
• 2656[20:33:13] <somiaj> libertine: sometimes modules don't correctly recover from suspend. If you do an actuall reboot does ti work again?
• 2657[20:33:20] <libertine> not at the moment
• 2658[20:33:22] <libertine> sometimes
• 2659[20:33:31] <s4ndm4n> somiaj: I will have to some research on it (if it's the right term). But last time I tried, I got "vg-root" not found error after unlocking the disk.
• 2660[20:33:33] <somiaj> libertine: are you using pavucontrol? It can be helfpul with pulseaudio
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• 2662[20:34:12] <libertine> pavu control shows my alsa chrome plugin is "working
• 2663[20:34:13] <libertine> '"
• 2664[20:34:19] <s4ndm4n> frostschutz: I will give it few tries. If I fail, I will go with /boot on USB option :)
• 2665[20:34:33] <libertine> I am playing a youtube video and it shows that the sound is working
• 2666[20:34:47] <libertine> but no sound. And yes, everything, and I mean everything, is unmuted.
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• 2668[20:35:26] <libertine> if it helps, I'm getting an error on boot that hda-intel-snd cannot find ctefx.bin
• 2669[20:35:31] <libertine> and yeah, i googled that too.
• 2670[20:35:35] <libertine> no dice
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• 2673[20:36:03] <libertine> Sorry I'm difficult. I wouldn't be here asking for help if the problem was one of the easy fixes.
• 2674[20:36:10] <jelly> judd: file ctefx.bin
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• 2676[20:36:17] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 2678[20:36:37] <libertine> let me go find the log so i can paste the accurate error. brb
• 2679[20:36:50] <jelly> judd: file ctefx.bin --release jessie-backports
• 2680[20:36:51] <judd> Search for ctefx.bin in jessie-backports/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/ctefx.bin
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• 2682[20:37:14] <jelly> libertine: which kernel are you using?
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• 2686[20:38:45] <libertine> Kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64
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• 2689[20:39:05] <libertine> I literally did the install last week.
• 2690[20:39:24] <jelly> libertine: well, apparently the firmware file can be found in a package in jessie-backports repo
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• 2692[20:39:42] <libertine> let me go see if I've enabled backports, brb
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• 2697[20:40:19] <awwal> I have qemu/kvm installed (qemu-kv and libvirt-bin pkgs) but I want try the single qemu pkg with it's front-end qemu-launcher. If I install 'qemu-launcher' pkg, what happens happens with qemu-kvm and libvirt-bin and the guest created via virt-manager?
• 2698[20:40:30] <awwal> A bit lost here xD
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• 2706[20:43:32] <libertine> alright, enabled backports so I just install firmware-misc-non-free and it's supposedly in there? I could have sworn I'd already installed that but here I go. . .
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• 2708[20:45:25] <libertine> unable to locate package firmware-misc-nonfree
• 2709[20:45:58] <libertine> sigh, okay, now what?
• 2710[20:46:07] <jelly> libertine: make sure you have non-free enabled next to main (and contrib) section for that repo
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• 2712[20:46:25] <jelly> and don't forget to run apt-get update
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• 2714[20:46:42] <nedstark> this iso installs them by default, its "unofficial" in the Mission: Impossible sense of the word replaced-url
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• 2717[20:47:05] <libertine> ahh, mhy bad, let me try again
• 2718[20:47:12] <libertine> also, you're the best, jelly
• 2719[20:47:16] <libertine> thank you for helping
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• 2722[20:48:45] <libertine> same error
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• 2725[20:49:14] <jelly> libertine: after reboot?
• 2726[20:49:29] <libertine> no idea. bbiab after I try that.
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• 2728[20:50:10] <awwal> libertine update before install
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• 2732[20:51:18] <libertine> nope. still not finding it after reboot
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• 2734[20:51:53] <awwal> why reboot when chsnging sources.list file. no need :P
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• 2736[20:51:56] <jelly> libertine: dpkg -l firmware-misc-nonfree|tail -1
• 2737[20:52:12] <awwal> ,v, firmware-misc-nonfree
• 2738[20:52:18] <jelly> awwal: reboot after installing firmware, not after running update
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• 2740[20:52:20] <awwal> ,v firmware-misc-nonfree
• 2741[20:52:21] <judd> Package: firmware-misc-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1
• 2742[20:52:39] <awwal> libertine, ^
• 2743[20:52:46] <awwal> nonfree not non-free
• 2744[20:52:56] <awwal> jelly, oh, ok xD
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• 2746[20:53:47] <libertine> Oh. I can't install the firmware it won't find it
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• 2749[20:54:37] <markybob> libertine: paste your sources.list to paste.debian.net
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• 2751[20:54:41] <libertine> dpkg-query no packages found matching firmware-misc-nonfree
• 2752[20:54:45] <awwal> libertine, just run apt-get update && apt-get -t backports install firmware-misc-nonfree
• 2753[20:54:55] <awwal> copy /paste, libertine
• 2754[20:55:10] <markybob> awwal: that doesn't work
• 2755[20:55:16] <awwal> -t jessie-backports ^
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• 2757[20:55:33] <libertine> replaced-url
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• 2759[20:55:44] <awwal> markybob, what doesn't work?
• 2760[20:55:46] <libertine> that's exactly what I ran
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• 2764[20:56:37] <jelly> libertine: also pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy firmware-misc-nonfree" and "apt-cache policy"
• 2765[20:57:26] <markybob> libertine: did you do -t backports like awwal first said or -t jessie-backports?
• 2766[20:57:55] <libertine> apt-cache policy: replaced-url
• 2767[20:58:06] <awwal> libertine, now that you have added contrib and non-free components to your sources file, you should add those components to security and volatile lines too
• 2768[20:58:54] <libertine> okay, I'll do that but not sure how it's going to help my current problem. but okay!
• 2769[20:59:01] <Borromini> hello guys. i am looking to get in touch with an admin of debianuserforums.org, since there seems no way to contact their admins unless you're logged in... and i locked myself out of my account
• 2770[20:59:12] <libertine> apt-cache policy ...nonfree: empty
• 2771[20:59:21] <libertine> unable to locate package blah blah blah
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• 2773[20:59:37] <libertine> yeah markybob, I did
• 2774[20:59:42] <jelly> libertine: that tells us you did not successfully run "apt-get update"
• 2775[21:00:01] <TomTomTosch> Borromini: try #debian-replaced-url
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• 2777[21:00:09] <Borromini> TomTomTosch: thank you!
• 2778[21:00:17] <markybob> Borromini: why don't you click on the "i forgot my password" link like a normal person? this isn't #debian related at all
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• 2780[21:00:19] <libertine> I did, I swear. twice
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• 2782[21:00:31] <Borromini> markybob: because i reset my e-mail address and i made a typo.
• 2783[21:00:38] <libertine> but I'm doin it again just cuz I can
• 2784[21:00:53] <jelly> libertine: or you're mistyping ...nonfree :-)
• 2785[21:00:57] <libertine> well I'll be damned
• 2786[21:01:08] <libertine> i ran apt-get update again and it seems to have found it this time.
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• 2789[21:01:30] <kang0> What do you use instead of Google?
• 2790[21:01:33] <libertine> OKAY, so I have this mysterious file. Now what?
• 2791[21:01:37] <libertine> reboot?
• 2792[21:01:39] <markybob> yes
• 2793[21:01:45] <Borromini> markybob: so i never got that reactivation e-mail, it sure is debian related, even though not #debian related... so i'll hope you'll forgive the intrusion ;)
• 2794[21:01:50] <libertine> okay, bbs
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• 2800[21:03:14] <Borromini> kang0: i use duckduckgo.
• 2801[21:03:18] <jelly> kang0: bing!
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• 2804[21:04:19] * jelly places a bet: next thing that happens, the firmware is loaded but the driver still makes no sound
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• 2807[21:04:46] <libertine_> back. the boot error is gone but still no sound.
• 2808[21:05:03] <TomTomTosch> !win jelly
• 2809[21:05:03] <dpkg> Congratulations, jelly! You have won the US presidency!
• 2810[21:05:14] <libertine_> I'd vote for them.
• 2811[21:05:14] <jelly> take that Bernie
• 2812[21:05:18] <markybob> i didn't even know we were talking about sound. i joined late. install/use pavucontrol
• 2813[21:05:18] <Borromini> they hand it out to just about eveyone these days :-/
• 2814[21:05:39] <libertine_> yeah, pavucontrol is up and running and showing that sound is happening. bothing is coming out of my speakers and yes, everything is unmuted
• 2815[21:06:05] <jelly> are... the speakers powered on
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• 2817[21:06:18] <buu> libertine_: which device do you have selected?
• 2818[21:06:23] <libertine_> yes. they are integrated laptop speakers and they do not have a physical switch. Nice try though.
• 2819[21:06:36] <libertine_> analog audio + digital input
• 2820[21:06:46] <libertine_> but I tried them all just for kicks and none of them make sound happen
• 2821[21:06:51] <buu> libertine_: what does aplay -L show?
• 2822[21:06:53] <libertine_> that's the one that was working before
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• 2824[21:07:40] <libertine_> aplay -L : replaced-url
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• 2827[21:08:37] <buu> that looks familiar
• 2828[21:08:54] <libertine_> hrm?
• 2829[21:08:59] <libertine_> dual cards, yeah.
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• 2833[21:09:12] <buu> I've been fighting with my htpc to make sound for weeks now
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• 2835[21:09:16] <buu> And it has the same cards
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• 2837[21:09:36] <libertine_> I was running mint and fluxbox on top of gnome
• 2838[21:09:50] <buu> mint?
• 2839[21:09:52] <libertine_> and I though maybe gnome was screwing stuff up, and I hated it anyway so I did a base install with just the window manager
• 2840[21:10:03] <libertine_> I'm wondering if i need to add something to my fluxbox startup file for sound
• 2841[21:10:21] <libertine_> mint is a fork of ubuntu with a much nicer gui called cinnamon, which i run for my kids
• 2842[21:10:28] <libertine_> but no longer for me
• 2843[21:10:36] <libertine_> because unity can die in a fire
• 2844[21:10:50] <buu> libertine_: start with speaker-test -D hw:CARD=PCH,DEV=0
• 2845[21:11:56] <libertine_> says the device is busy :\
• 2846[21:12:12] <buu> bad sign
• 2847[21:12:19] <libertine_> nothing is going on in playback
• 2848[21:12:26] <buu> Do you have pavucontrol open? close it
• 2849[21:12:29] <buu> er, mixer
• 2850[21:12:32] <jelly> libertine_: prepend that command with "pasuspender -- "
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• 2853[21:12:40] <libertine_> not open
• 2854[21:12:52] <jelly> closing pavucontrol does not close pulseaudio, tho
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• 2858[21:13:26] <buu> No but pavucontrol sometimes takes full control of the hw devices
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• 2860[21:13:34] <buu> PA usually doesn't for me
• 2861[21:13:49] <libertine_> should I run a killall pulseaudio?
• 2862[21:13:50] <buu> either way
• 2863[21:13:56] <libertine_> the suspend isn't working either
• 2864[21:14:02] <buu> same error?
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• 2866[21:14:06] <jelly> how does it fail?
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• 2870[21:15:00] <libertine_> Setting of hwparams failed: Invalid argument
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• 2872[21:15:10] <jmcnaught> libertine_: from what i understand that firmware-misc-nonfree package is in backports because it has firmwares needed by newer drivers present in backports kernels. Are you using the stock jessie kernel?
• 2873[21:15:20] <libertine_> Yes I am
• 2874[21:15:49] <jelly> jmcnaught: his 3.16 kernel was asking for a bit of firmware apparently missing from jessie fw packages
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• 2876[21:16:17] <jelly> perhaps that's just extra functionality and a red herring
• 2877[21:16:22] <libertine_> I'm not so sure that was the problem though
• 2878[21:16:23] <libertine_> yeah
• 2879[21:16:30] <libertine_> because as I said, sound WAS working
• 2880[21:16:33] <libertine_> and then it wasn't
• 2881[21:16:45] <markybob> so why don't you think the spearker died?
• 2882[21:16:46] <libertine_> I lost it after my laptop went to sleep
• 2883[21:16:54] <markybob> do headphones work?
• 2884[21:16:58] <buu> does rebooting work?
• 2885[21:17:04] <libertine_> not sure but I know hdmi surround works
• 2886[21:17:07] <libertine_> one sec
• 2887[21:17:34] <libertine_> headphones work!
• 2888[21:17:42] <buu> what fun
• 2889[21:17:44] <libertine_> pretty sure the speakers aren't dead though
• 2890[21:17:50] <markybob> great. so the card is fine
• 2891[21:17:59] <jelly> libertine_: it might come back after a power cycle. Sometimes a reboot is not enough to unscrew ACPI firmware issues with suspend/resume
• 2892[21:18:00] <buu> the nvidia card
• 2893[21:18:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1695
• 2894[21:18:01] <libertine_> because like I said, this has been happening to me for years. I'll lose sound, it will come back for no reason
• 2895[21:18:12] <buu> libertine_: bios -> disable acpi?
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• 2897[21:18:25] <yskapell> Hi all
• 2898[21:18:30] <jelly> buu: that's pretty much impossible on modern machines
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• 2900[21:18:32] <libertine_> i am not sure how to do that in my bios
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• 2903[21:18:54] <libertine_> give me a basic overview. I go into my bios at boot. Then what?
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• 2910[21:20:07] <jelly> libertine_: forget that suggestion. You could however make a confirmation by doing a power off, unplug AC power, unplug battery, leave it that way for 10 seconds, then plug everything back and power on
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• 2912[21:20:18] <libertine_> sure, why not. brb
• 2913[21:20:41] <markybob> hdmi & headphones work...i'm guessing speakers are done
• 2914[21:20:56] <libertine_> I'm like 99% sure you are wrong about the speakers
• 2915[21:21:06] <libertine_> anyway, power cycling. bbiab
• 2916[21:21:17] <jelly> suspend/resume on cheap or really new laptops can be really wonky
• 2917[21:22:13] <jmcnaught> so that firmware file seems to be used by Creative CA0132 (which is also mentioned in the aplay -L paste above), and this looks like a relevant kernel bug thread for the device: replaced-url
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• 2921[21:23:16] <markybob> jmcnaught: yeah but that's 3.9
• 2922[21:23:19] <libertine> alright jelly, powercycling worked and my sound is back
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• 2925[21:23:27] <libertine> (told ya it wasn't my speakers ;) )
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• 2927[21:23:30] <Borromini> jelly: skylake here, have to say i was pretty impressed with testing working on it. suspend works like 99% of the time.
• 2928[21:23:36] <markybob> libertine: happy for you :)
• 2929[21:23:37] <libertine> but, I don
• 2930[21:23:45] <jmcnaught> markybob: the thread is long, at the end it says patches merged into 4.4
• 2931[21:23:51] <markybob> ugh
• 2932[21:23:55] <libertine> but powercycling everytime I want my laptop to sleep is kinda annoying. Any idea how to fix?
• 2933[21:24:01] <jelly> libertine: you might try a 4.4 kernel or newer and suspend again judging from jmcnaught's kernel bug link
• 2934[21:24:05] <jmcnaught> libertine: replaced-url
• 2935[21:24:12] <markybob> jessie-backports has 4.5
• 2936[21:24:24] <jelly> !bdo kernel
• 2937[21:24:24] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
• 2938[21:25:19] <jelly> Borromini: suspend almost always works. resume however :-)
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• 2940[21:25:24] <Borromini> libertine: you could also try unloading the related modules, but that only works if they're not in use
• 2941[21:25:51] <Borromini> jelly: true enough, but even that, lately... only had some issues with resuming in january with 4.3 kernels afaik :)
• 2942[21:25:55] <libertine> :\
• 2943[21:26:04] <Borromini> maybe i just got lucky, who knows.
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• 2945[21:26:18] <libertine> so, my options are update to newest kernel from backports and hope, or write a script to unload modules every time I close my laptop?
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• 2947[21:26:23] <jelly> but they have cats coding that driver, so be lucky it works at all
• 2948[21:26:28] <jelly> > No need for fancy patching as it is part of kernel 4.4 meow.
• 2949[21:26:49] <Borromini> lol
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• 2951[21:27:39] <libertine> what is part of 4.4 kernel?
• 2952[21:27:43] <libertine> the bugfix?
• 2953[21:28:06] <jelly> _a_ bugfix
• 2954[21:28:31] <libertine> :\
• 2955[21:28:31] <buu> omg
• 2956[21:29:03] <jelly> libertine: what's the lspci -nn line for that card?
• 2957[21:29:04] <libertine> I did this install last week. Why am I not running a kernel with the bugfix?
• 2958[21:29:18] <markybob> libertine: no. that has 3.16
• 2959[21:29:54] <jelly> debian does not backport all the fixes for all the possible hardware into the kernel in stable
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• 2961[21:29:56] <libertine> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:1e20] (rev 04)
• 2962[21:29:57] <Chunkyz> hello.
• 2963[21:30:18] <libertine> this is the nvidia one, if that is helpful too: 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 HDMI Audio Controller [10de:0e1b] (rev a1)
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• 2971[21:32:04] <leandrosansilva> Hello to all. Is there any technical reasons of why debian does not package recent KDE versions? I mean, frameworks and applications are quite old, even on unstable
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• 2973[21:32:18] <qqz> is there a way to have both grub2 and grub-legacy installed at the same time?
• 2974[21:32:21] <leandrosansilva> is there any issue for recent kde releases not being even on unstable?
• 2975[21:32:27] <qqz> need to know since I have installed grub-legcy
• 2976[21:32:38] <qqz> seems to have garbeld my default grub install
• 2977[21:32:38] <Borromini> does somebody know why debian's kmod still does not support compressed modules?
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• 2979[21:33:02] <Borromini> debian maintainer keeps refusing to add in support for that...
• 2980[21:33:09] <jelly> leandrosansilva: is "not enough manpower" a technical reason?
• 2981[21:33:12] <somiaj> qqz: you can't have both installed at the same time as they will have to be in the mbr of the disk.
• 2982[21:33:28] <somiaj> qqz: why do you have to have grub-legacy? after you installed it, did you run grub-install to put it in the mbr of the boot device?
• 2983[21:33:31] <Borromini> qqz: why do you need both?
• 2984[21:33:38] <qqz> of course I can; I have multiple partitions
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• 2986[21:33:52] <jelly> Borromini: since packages are compressed already there's little compelling reason to save the little disk space, I guess
• 2987[21:33:54] <qqz> just chainload the old grub in sda1 from sda2
• 2988[21:34:14] <libertine> oh man, qqz, this is tangent but I totally hosed my boot sector on this new install trying to figure out whether to use grub or uefi boot.
• 2989[21:34:16] <qqz> grub2 does not support certain things like the com32 command
• 2990[21:34:19] <libertine> So I feel your boot problems so hard.
• 2991[21:34:32] <qqz> so I wanna install grub1 on one partition for legacy boots
• 2992[21:34:37] <leandrosansilva> jelly: oh, understood. It means probably a lot changed since some releases ago. Where should I go to ask for support regarding it? I have no problem helping to mantain those recent packages
• 2993[21:34:55] <libertine> anyway, I guess I'm off to upgrade my kernel and try suspending again
• 2994[21:34:57] <libertine> I'll bbiab
• 2995[21:35:08] <jelly> leandrosansilva: #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net, probably
• 2996[21:35:09] <libertine> jelly, i owe you a drink or something.
• 2997[21:35:19] <somiaj> qqz: why do you need both grubs installed on the same os? Would having the os that lives in the legacy boot be enough to have grub-legacy installed?
• 2998[21:35:32] <qqz> have dd-ed the Ultimate Boot CD into a hdd partition but that one needs grub1
• 2999[21:35:34] <leandrosansilva> jelly: thx :-)
• 3000[21:35:39] <qqz> all other oses need grub2
• 3001[21:35:43] <somiaj> qqz: I'm unsure if there is any issues with installing both packages, but my guess is there is a conflict.
• 3002[21:35:56] <qqz> did not report a conflict
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• 3004[21:36:09] <qqz> but grub-install seems to belong to grub1 now
• 3005[21:36:23] <qqz> where has the grub-install of grub2 the n gone to?
• 3006[21:36:48] <Chunkyz> what driver (video) should I use on a fresh install, amd 6290 laptop.
• 3007[21:37:09] <qqz> at least it would be nice to know what package would be needed to restore things
• 3008[21:37:11] <somiaj> qqz: is it a symbolic link? dpk won't allow two packages to own the same file to be installed
• 3009[21:37:16] <somiaj> qqz: grub-pc
• 3010[21:37:34] <somiaj> qqz: or grub-efi for efi boot
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• 3012[21:38:29] <somiaj> qqz: are you sure there wasn't a conflict, seems both grub-legacy and grub2-common own a file called /usr/sbin/grub-install
• 3013[21:38:36] <somiaj> qqz: you won't be able to have those two installed at the same time.
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• 3015[21:39:55] <Chunkyz> xserver-xorg-video-ati?
• 3016[21:40:19] <somiaj> Chunkyz: it should detect the radeon driver correctly (if you want to use the free driver)
• 3017[21:40:22] <Borromini> jelly: yeah, but they get decompressed when installed... and on non-x86 compressed kernel modules really help when you're working with little flash. 150 MB just for kernel modules... Even with gzip that gets reduced to one third roughly. that's a lot if you only have 2 or 4 GB flash
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• 3019[21:40:39] <Chunkyz> somiaj, you mean automatically?
• 3020[21:40:44] <somiaj> Chunkyz: and this should be installed. Note that many radeon chips need non-free firmware (even with the radeon free driver) to get 3D or better 2D preformance
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• 3022[21:41:06] <Chunkyz> and what should be installed?!
• 3023[21:41:09] <somiaj> Chunkyz: correct, it should detect the correct driver and you may only just have to install firmware-linux-nonfree
• 3024[21:41:20] <Chunkyz> cheers.
• 3025[21:41:24] <somiaj> Chunkyz: that package comes from non-free and won't be installed by default.
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• 3031[21:43:08] <menace> since there is no policy-rc.d anymore, what's the main way to prevent starting services automatically after installation?
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• 3033[21:43:35] <somiaj> menace: you can still use update-rc.d, but it is prfered to use systemctl for systemd
• 3034[21:43:44] <markybob> systemctl disable foo
• 3035[21:43:45] <somiaj> menace: if it is a startup service, 'systemctl disable servicename'
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• 3037[21:44:02] <somiaj> menace: if it is a service that gets spawned by various triggers, you may need to mask it, 'systemctl mask name'
• 3038[21:44:22] <menace> the problem is, i want to install a service (example apache) and do not want to start it after installation, only after reboot.
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• 3040[21:44:56] <somiaj> menace: I personally would just stop it after the isntall, 'systemctl stop foo'
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• 3042[21:45:40] <somiaj> menace: I'm unsure if masking the service would work, espically if there is no unit file.
• 3043[21:45:43] <markybob> "it works!" page from apache is really dangerous. i can see why you wouldn't want that running
• 3044[21:45:46] <markybob> :P
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• 3046[21:46:44] <menace> and stop after installation does not make sense... i deploy packages automatically, but the configuration happens a certain time AFTER installation. in the meantime i have irregular services.. which may even disturb other services...
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• 3049[21:48:00] <menace> markybob: apache is just a example
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• 3051[21:48:21] <menace> postfix, freeradius, pacemaker, ssh...
• 3052[21:48:34] <markybob> you want to stop ssh? seriously?
• 3053[21:48:45] <markybob> nevermind
• 3054[21:48:47] <menace> ....
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• 3056[21:49:32] <vegardx> You might want to look at minimal install then.
• 3057[21:49:55] <menace> i do not want it started automatically with the standard configuration. i want to install all packages, copy configuration files and with reboot the services are started...
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• 3059[21:50:41] <vegardx> Do you use any kind of configuration management?
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• 3065[21:54:23] <somiaj> menace: seems there is an deb-systemd-invoke that was supose to be the systemctl version of invoke-rc.d, I se it is still around, but unsure if package scripts are correctly using it
• 3066[21:54:30] <somiaj> also looks like it has to respect policy-rc.d
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• 3069[21:55:47] <Hydroxide> somiaj: pretty sure packages still use invoke-rc.d. deb-systemd-invoke might possibly be the implementation of that on systemd systems.
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• 3071[21:56:19] <Hydroxide> but, yes, policy-rc.d is still working in the new systemd worls
• 3072[21:56:22] <Hydroxide> *world
• 3073[21:56:22] <libertine> It's me, I'm back. Kernel upgraded but i'm having that stupid nvidia blank screen boot problem on the new kernel (I'm currently booted into the old one, which works fine)
• 3074[21:56:32] <libertine> tried the modeset thing and no dice
• 3075[21:56:38] <libertine> nomodeset
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• 3077[21:56:43] <somiaj> menace: have you tried masking the service? Are you allowed to mask a service that is not installed?
• 3078[21:56:52] <libertine> So now I'm back with a new problem.
• 3079[21:57:04] <menace> that's what i am testing atm...
• 3080[21:57:08] <libertine> caused by trying to solve my old problem. linux, wheeee!
• 3081[21:57:15] <markybob> libertine: you probably didn't install the headers so the nvidia driver never got compiled
• 3082[21:57:16] <Hydroxide> so menace can do what would have worked before. (or systemd-specific solutions like somiaj is now suggesting)
• 3083[21:57:29] <libertine> huh. markybob how do I do the thing?
• 3084[21:57:40] <somiaj> Hydroxide: it is, I can't seem to find a package contain the policy-rc.d script?
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• 3087[21:57:53] <markybob> apt-get install linux-headers-amd64
• 3088[21:58:03] <libertine> iirc, I had this problem with the other kernel too but the nomodeset thing worked and then i installed the nividia drivers and it was fine
• 3089[21:58:21] <libertine> do I need to install those from the backports for the newest kernel?
• 3090[21:58:28] <somiaj> Hydroxide: the only thing I see is policyrcd-script-zg2, but not the actual script.
• 3091[21:58:45] <markybob> libertine: if you have a kernel from backports you need headers from backports
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• 3093[21:59:22] <libertine> okaty, I'll give that a try
• 3094[21:59:48] <kang0> Which hardware/software features gets unlocked aftrr rooting a phone?
• 3095[21:59:53] <kang0> Like usb otg
• 3096[21:59:56] <libertine> anything else i did not install that I should have? I just updated the kernel. Do I need to reinstall all my system stuff from backports now?
• 3097[22:00:04] <markybob> kang0: that couldn't be more offtopic
• 3098[22:00:10] <Hydroxide> somiaj: hm, my knowledge appears to be staler than I thought it was. sorry :)
• 3099[22:00:26] <Hydroxide> use the systemd solutuon I guess :)
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• 3103[22:00:48] <markybob> libertine: eh one step at a time. dplg -l nvidia-driver
• 3104[22:00:50] <somiaj> Hydroxide: not sure what that is, I hope mask is the solution.
• 3105[22:00:51] <markybob> libertine: dpkg*
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• 3107[22:01:08] <libertine> after i boot into the new kernel, right?
• 3108[22:01:34] <markybob> libertine: doesn't matter for that command
• 3109[22:02:08] <jelly> Borromini: nod, debian doesn't really cater to the embedded crowd a whole lot, there's dozens of other improvements to be done there
• 3110[22:02:49] <libertine> crap i apparently didn't have that driver installed. I guess I was using nouveu and didn't know it?
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• 3112[22:03:06] <libertine> well, maybe that will solve the problem
• 3113[22:03:13] <libertine> doing the thing and going to try a reboot again.
• 3114[22:03:14] <Borromini> jelly: yeah, it's a bit weird with all those projects coming with 'official' debian images... beaglebone etc.
• 3115[22:03:14] <markybob> hrm. then i'm not sure why you'd get a black screen
• 3116[22:03:22] <markybob> shouldn't have happened with nouveu
• 3117[22:03:44] <markybob> hopefully some nvidia person will step in. never had one myself.
• 3118[22:03:50] <jelly> Borromini: most of those really work best with a custom kernel anyway
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• 3121[22:05:09] <Borromini> jelly: true... i built my own for my beaglebone, but the armmp kernel works as well. less work for me, just takes more space :)
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• 3147[22:13:28] <libertine> woof.
• 3148[22:13:50] <libertine> upgraded kernel and headers, installed nvidia-driver, sound works after suspend. For now.
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• 3150[22:14:01] <markybob> libertine: sweet
• 3151[22:14:09] <libertine> Anyone want to take bets on whether I'll lose my sound again in a few days?
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• 3153[22:14:32] <markybob> libertine: where's my beer?
• 3154[22:14:50] <libertine> your beer is in maryland
• 3155[22:14:51] <jelly> libertine: you'll probably have some other issue if not, it's linux after all
• 3156[22:15:05] <libertine> I can never decide if i love or hate fighting with linux
• 3157[22:15:12] <libertine> on one hand, i like having this much control.
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• 3160[22:15:26] <libertine> on the other, I'm always tinkering and spending a lot of time on it
• 3161[22:15:37] <libertine> time i COULD be spending learning to code firmware so i can make bugfixes :P
• 3162[22:16:06] <jelly> I just have two linux machines for when one inevitably breaks
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• 3164[22:16:35] <libertine> anyway, I do appreciate all your help, jelly and markybob. I'd goladly buy you a drink if you were anywhere in my area.
• 3165[22:16:36] <Borromini> i'm glad i have my laptop and my desktop... like jelly says
• 3166[22:17:08] <libertine> Alternatively, I make things like silly hats and scarves and the like and if you want to make a request I'll grant it :)
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• 3181[22:24:00] <snipe> hi dudes
• 3182[22:24:13] <snipe> mobprobe nvidia, returns me this error, why? modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': Required key not available
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• 3186[22:25:13] <snipe> guys?
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• 3191[22:26:09] <buu> This means you have secure boot turned on in your motherboard bios settings. If you want to use the nvidia driver, you will need to turn secure boot off.
• 3192[22:26:12] <buu> replaced-url
• 3193[22:26:37] <buu> amazing
• 3194[22:27:42] <snipe> AHAHAHAHHA
• 3195[22:27:59] <snipe> its better not eating fish as well
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• 3201[22:29:57] <Borromini> i don't know why you would want secure boot on a linux machine :-/ if they're going to own your ass there are plenty of ways to do it :)
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• 3203[22:30:36] <markybob> stretch will have secure boot support
• 3204[22:30:50] <buu> I still have no idea what secure boot is supposed to fix
• 3205[22:30:51] <markybob> i saw the mini debconf presentation about it last week
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• 3207[22:31:07] <buu> Other than some kind of generic DRM lock down
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• 3209[22:36:01] <kang0> Have you came across any online lab where all hardware devices are available and can be experimented from your home remotely?
• 3210[22:38:39] <buu> Isn't that what emulators are for
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• 3303[23:29:56] <JustinHitla> I have interface bnep0 with ip 192.168.44.3 and that is what I use internet over, its from bluetooth tehering for android, but how to know my real ip rather than using some web service that says your ip ? back when I used GPRS I used pppd and it always were creating ppp0 interface with internet ip adress, but now I only know my local ip betwenn PC
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• 3305[23:30:00] <JustinHitla> and phone any way to find out ip when connecting ?
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• 3323[23:38:13] <_0xbadc0de> guys
• 3324[23:38:27] <_0xbadc0de> In order to netinst debian from a usb flash drive
• 3325[23:38:36] <_0xbadc0de> can I use NTFS for the format?
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• 3341[23:45:26] <jmcnaught> _0xbadc0de: no
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• 3346[23:46:03] <asterismo_m> !dpkg bpo
• 3347[23:46:04] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 3352[23:46:53] <JustinHitla> !dpkg ntfs
• 3353[23:46:53] <dpkg> Windows NT File System (NTFS) has drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and a <FUSE> driver providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <label>. replaced-url
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• 3355[23:47:14] <markybob> fyi you can /msg dpkg
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• 3364[23:49:53] <jelly> _0xbadc0de: it doesn't matter because debian-installer image is supposed to overwrite the whole device including its current filesystem and partition table
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